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The U.S. Congress: A System Within A System

January 17, 2011 by  

The U.S. Congress: A System Within A System

The United States House of Representatives and Senate represent many things, excluding the American people. But these two bodies are needed by the elite establishment to keep up the aura of democracy and so-called representative government.

Members of the House and Senate are manipulated puppets in the paid service of the establishment which owns and runs the U.S. government. The House of Representatives and the Senate have great value, as a matter of fact incalculable value, as symbols of liberty and representative government. But they are hollowed out and gutted symbols, a facade and a myth that serves to keep the American people hoodwinked and blinded to widespread deceptive political chicanery.

Americans mistake the symbol of representative government for the thing symbolized. Representative government has evolved into privilege, prestige and wealth. While we slept they carved themselves out an ivory tower of untouchables by prostrating and selling their souls to the money power.

The time is long gone when Americans could go to the polls and vote for representative government. The great tragedy is that they still believe that they can.

The Founding Fathers absolutely saw our day and how representative government would be usurped by the money power. The concept of prohibition of privilege (nobility) in public office was written into the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9, Clause 8.

Members of Congress and the Senate have surreptitiously acquired the status of nobility and privilege because they have prostituted themselves to the system unequivocally. This proves so well that Congress and the Senate have evolved into nobility and privilege in substance and in fact without the title.

The election process in America has become a disguise for corruption that attracts the corrupt. When men and women go to Washington, they quickly learn that they are paid by the Federal government and therefore they are in the hire of the Federal government. No allegiance to their constituents is necessary and, as a matter of fact, there is very little pretension.

If Americans could restore their power over so-called elected representatives, this could cut out the smoke and mirrors of politics. I think the hour is late, and maybe even too late, but let’s try to reverse all the perks that our “elected representatives” have bestowed upon themselves, such as: Voting themselves pay raises; tenure and pensions; liberal, free healthcare benefits not available to citizens; immunity from the laws they imposed on citizens; retirement plans paid for by the government; Congressional retirement fund for themselves instead of Social Security; and no term limits.

From A Reader
The following was sent to us by several readers. It is a bill that should be offered NOW in Congress:

Congressional Reform Act

  • Term Limits. Twelve years only, one of the possible options below…
    1. Two Six-year Senate terms.
    2. Six Two-year House terms.
    3. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-year House terms.
  • No Tenure/No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay from government when they are out of office.
  • Congress members (past, present and future) participate in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.
  • Congress members can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
  • Congress members will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of the consumer price index or 3 percent.
  • Congress loses their current healthcare system and participates in the same healthcare system as the American people.
  • Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
  • All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/11. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

This will have to be done by the American people. Citizens need to force their elected officials to introduce the Congressional Reform Act.

We must act now to take America back!

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • JeffH

    I agree 100%. Our only hope is that it is not to late. In the United States, the international bankers have come in for a great deal of criticism by a wide variety of individuals who have held high offices of public trust — men whose opinions are worthy of note and whose responsibilities placed them in positions where they knew what was going on behind the scenes in politics and high finance.

    Mayer Amschel Rothschild said: “Give me control of a nation’s money
    and I care not who makes the laws.”

    President Andrew Jackson, the only one of our presidents whose administration totally abolished the National Debt, condemned the international bankers as a “den of vipers” which he was determined to “rout out” of the fabric of American life. Jackson claimed that if only the American people understood how these vipers operated on the American scene “there would a revolution before morning.”

    Congressman Louis T. McFadden who, for more than ten years, served as chairman of the Banking and Currency Committee, stated that the international bankers are a “dark crew of financial pirates who would cut a man’s throat to get a dollar out of his pocket… They prey upon the people of these United States.”

    John F. Hylan, then mayor of New York, said in 1911 that “the real menace of our republic is the invisible government which, like a giant octopus, sprawls its slimy length over our city, state and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses, generally referred to as ‘international bankers.’”

    In Europe, towards the end of the eighteenth century or at the time of the American Revolution, a young man appeared on the European scene who was to have a tremendous impact on the future course of world history; his name was Mayer Amschel Bauer. In later years his name, which he had changed, became synonamous with wealth, power and influence. He was the first of the Rothschilds — the first truly international banker!

    Throughout their long history the Rothschilds have gone to great lengths to create the impression that they operate within the framework of ‘democracy.’ This posture is calculated to deceive, to lead people away from the fact that their real aim is the elimination of all competition and the creation of a world-wide monopoly. Hiding behind a multitude of ‘fronts’ they have done a masterful job of deception.

    The establishment Times of London stated: “If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [i.e. honest Constitutionally authorized no debt money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt [to the international bankers]. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

    Rothschild Occupational Government
    Did you know that The American Bar Association was founded by the Rothschild banking family in 1870, in Indiana. All members of the Judiciary and 71% of all legislatures, federal, state and local, are Bar Association members. This places at least two branches of our goverment under their control. This is a conflict of interest. Lawyers have a stake in writing bad laws, because good laws don’t make them much money, for the simple reason that good laws tend to be obeyed. Bad laws are not. Area of control includes Congress, the Supreme Court, and regulatory and licensing agencies too numerous to list. Sometimes the president is also a member.

    The Federal Reserve Bank was created by associates of the Rothschilds with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

    The Central Intelligence Agency was created by the Rothschilds, not to discover facts of importance to national security, but to manufacture and disseminate ideologies and disinformation which serve Rothschild interests, and to create evidence to support that ideology, such as by planting Soviet weapons caches, or coercing newspapers into covering up damaging information, or even manufacture storys to support the Rothschild ideology.

    • bob wire

      What a strange day to wake up too!

      To agree with both Bob Livingston and Jeff first posting, I think I’ll go back to bed and try it again. I must have woke up in the wrong world.

      • DaveH

        For once I agree with you, Bob. lol.

      • TIME

        Saddly Bob & Dave,

        The TRUTH sometimes is very hard to look in the eye.

        Thus why we are now looking at the hate and divide we see daily within the confines of what we call the daily NEWS from media’s thats been controled and maniuplated for longer than all of us have been alive.
        When you keep all the Bee’s busy flying in circles attacking what ever they think is the enemy within all the smoke.
        The bee keepers takes away the hive that the bees fight so hard to keep, yet with out even knowning why, nor who is really behind the curtain pulling the strings.

        • Pat R

          Bob could have supplied more info on this subject! The District of Columbia was deeded to the International Monetary Fund in 1944. Yes, the IMF owns DC. Our Congress works for the UNITED STATES CORPORATION set up in 1871.
          People we have been “screwed royally” ever since. Every President since Abe Lincoln have been illegal. Every law that has been passed since then has been illegal. All of our documents (Birth Certificate, Voter Registrations, etc) printed on Bonded Bank paper are traded on the stock exchange. Bet you didn’t know that your all capital letter name
          has a Dunn & Bradstreet Number. I promise you; you do.
          There is too much that I could tell you; but you won’t believe it anyway. Do a little research, it’s all there.
          Start here:

          • B. Johnson

            Thank you for this link! I have spent the last 2 hours researching this site. I’m very interested in obtaining these ID’s. I hope that everyone reading this will also click on the link, investigate it & listen to the interview links located within also.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Nice. I step away for awhile and come back to still read the truth. I sure appreciate all the comments and bravery by all you who are willing to post what is really happening. Our government doesn’t serve us, We the People. It’s all a sham and the American people are hood winked into believing that everything is still just fine.

          JeffH, you set the tone very well with the first posting & it’s great to see you still doing the “work”. We have to educate the masses to the truth of who, how, why and how the people who have the power have actually been running things for the past 100+ years. The Rothschilds, all the other various families, the UN, CFR, Trilateral Commission and the Secret Society that exists in all those various organizations and in all the countries of the world that work for this same agenda are to blame. Yet, people still wander the streets totally unaware of who their great enemy is. They still rub shoulders with them in super markets, concerts, and malls.

          America is under attack and it’s people have their pants & underwear around their ankles while they bend over and check out the “packaging”.

          God Bless us all and keep up the good work, Patriots.

      • Bus

        I used to take students to D.C. every year. When we would get into the House or Senate chambers and see what a facade it was I told them that these chambers were like museum props that showed how things used to be but that the real work of congress now takes place in the committee rooms. Today the whole institution is making itself irrelevant and the real work of legislation takes place in the executive bureaucracies.

        • Dan az

          Sovereignty, even as mankind received the same from God, is the ultimate source of all political power. Accordingly, as people gather together, they form governments by entrusting a portion of their respective individual sovereignty with the so formed government so that it can use the collective sovereignty to function. Of course, that entrusting action does not remove the individual from their responsibility to make sure the government uses their sovereignty lawfully and correctly. Each of the people remains responsible for their sovereignty and accordingly for their government’s use of the same. That is to say, the people remain responsible for their government’s use of the power the people granted government.

          To further address this very matter we point to Osborn v. The Bank of the United States 22 U.S. 738; 9 Wheat. 738, wherein the nation’s Supreme Court ruled it is impossible to pass political power through a contract.

          The bottom line: the only way anyone can possibly lose their sovereign nature is, God could take it from them and that will not happen in this lifetime; in fact, if you follow the Law of God that will never happen.

          Accordingly, it is impossible for anyone to give up their sovereignty.

          • kate8

            Dan az – I wholly agree with you on this.

            Great article, great comments all around.

            If we can all agree that this is happening, maybe we can unite and do something. One thing’s for sure. There’s not much time left to do it.

          • JC

            One thing that is little known is that the Government Incorporated a long time ago. So it is not a Government “of the people”…it the The Government of the United States Inc.
            And like all corporations it is by definition psychotic.

        • bob wire

          “I told them that these chambers were like museum props that showed how things used to be but that the real work of congress now takes place in the committee rooms. ”

          And that exactly how it works at any hearing where you stand before a judge without a jury trial. It don’t matter 5 cents what you might say to the judge, he already knows what the ruling is and the penalty will be.

          Don’t ever do that, unless you are willing to expect the full burden of penalty. ~ There is no judging taking place, but a instrument of the court to extract your life’s blood `money’.

          • Vicki

            Yes, Strange day indeed as I find myself in agreement with all 3. Bob W, BobL, JeffH. 2 of 3, often. All 3? rare indeed :)

          • Pat R

            When you go before that Judge, everything has already been pre-set. Every charge levied against you has a predetermined $$ amount; mostly in the millions of dollars for each charge. This money is taken out of a “special” account in the Treasury. Whether you are convicted or not makes no difference, they still get their money.
            Every Court in the United States is “a Corporation for Profit”. Even your local county Courts are traded on the Stock Exchange. That is a fact!
            It’s time to join the Republic to make sure that our kids and grandkids have a future. We don’t have much time left. Experts say that Washington can not survive the 1st quarter of this year. They are broke and no one will loan them any more money. Join the Republic and work to secure our future, or wait for the UN to put us under Martial Law.

          • Vicki

            Pat R I looked for any sign of our local county court on any of the obvious stock exchanges and found no evidence. Do you have maybe a ticker symbol for one of the courts to verify your fact?

          • Vigilant


            Pat R. can’t provide that because it doesn’t exist.

            It’s a shame that rational discussion about our government has been clouded by the bogus claims of that traitorous site provided by Pat R. There is no shadow Constitution, and the site referenced seeks to overthrow the legitimate government of the USA.

            The interests of the ambulance-chasers and shysters who compose “Team Law” are purely to sow the seeds of distrust, breed chaos and bring down our government.

            I would strongly encourage you to read the actual District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 (available on the internet), and decide for yourself. Claims by a number of conspiracy sites that the US is a private corporation are absolutely ridiculous.

            Our government is deficient in a number of areas, but it’s only because we have let it become that way.

          • Dan az

            You need to do a little more digging then that. Just because you “don’t think” that something “would have” happened just because it isw unlikely or unreasonable in your own opinion, means exactly nothing. Lawyer Gerry Spence, who is fully aware of the corporate nature of the UNITED STATES INC. (as opposed to the country created/founded by the original Constitution, the United states of America), has never lost a criminal case and has not lost a civil case since 1969. Now if this corporate UNITED STATES did not exist, how would they be able to have employees, such as governors and judges, while the actual United states of America had no offices filled? Or rather, how would those who have recently ran for such positions have actually been able to fill them?

          • Vigilant


            The credentials of Gerry Spence tell me nothing about his ability as a Constitutional lawyer. On the contrary, his record shows him to be a TRIAL LAWYER (ambulance chaser and contributor to the Democrats). Ability to defend criminals or succeed in civil cases does’nt make him an authority on the Constitution or government.

            “Now if this corporate UNITED STATES did not exist, how would they be able to have employees, such as governors and judges, while the actual United states of America had no offices filled? Or rather, how would those who have recently ran for such positions have actually been able to fill them?”

            That argument makes no logical sense whatsoever. Before the Organic Act of 1871, the USA did quite well, thank you, in electing/appointing and filling these positions, as it does now. I’ll ask you what I asked before of Vicki: have you read the 1871 Act? If not, please read it and come back with anything you see in it that makes the US a corporation. It is a simple incorporation of a municipality, as many thousands of US cities and villages have done.

            In business law, a corporation is an artificial person, created by law, to do something. That’s all it is, and as an artificial person it can be sued. Ever try to sue the USG? With the exception of a very few provisions, you CAN NOT SUE THE GOVERNMENT. That simple fact seems to elude those who would have you believe otherwise.

      • chick

        well go back to bed,because when you wake up, you will not like what you see or hear.. this country is in deep s**t.we are all controled,and too many people already believe in the crap that the goverment is feeding us, after 5 year’s they can’t even re-build New Orleans… Lazy people want everything given to them..they don’t want to learn,and have no intention of doing anything themselves.. thus you’re goverment win’s them over buy giving them free stuff.. what a crock of

        • bob wire

          “after 5 year’s they can’t even re-build New Orleans… Lazy people want everything”

          Well, that’s sure one view of it for sure and not without some merit perhaps.

          I was contracting with an outfit that was engaged at various levels of response and clean up and came in by sea within hours of Katrina, ~ well before anything came in by land.

          What can I say? It was a debacle of biblical proportion in so many ways. We demand of government, yet we dislike government involvement. It becomes and “Catch, Catch Can”. We knew the government authorities would never allow us in by land. So we rode it out at sea and then came in after the calm. We helped the ones we could. Made contacts and friends.

          We’d had insured vessels in 30 to 40ft of water with 7 uninsured vessels stacked on top of them. You had to handle things that wasn’t your concern or business and these “things” had upset owners, that would sue your ass`ests off if they “thought” they could prove you damaged their craft.

          We had large vessels 6-8 miles inland, sunk in swamp water. ~ any efforts to recover them required submitting collateral wetlands assessment to the Fed, to be approved before excavation and extraction could ever begin. ~ and things had to be made back right to satisfy the Fed, no collateral damage to the wetlands or habitat.

          It was several years later and still vendors and contractors had yet to be paid by both the FED and insurance companies, for some serious a$$ busting, expensive work. ~ $6000.00 “might” pay daily expenses for such a recovery crew, if you don’t consider liability and insurance, and then there is that little thing, we like to call “Profit”. We needed to bring down 10 grand a day to do the work. And it went on 24/7 for the first 20 days. 4 men in the rack and 4 up, (if we were lucky anyway)

          There was no Profit, at that end of this deal for many of us. ~ I have no doubt someone can up on the good end of this mess, but it wasn’t the ones doing the hard work. Maybe a Mobil home manufacture or something.

          Things don’t get done, if there is no profit in it for people. A working man is no different then a rich man in this sense.

          Either no one made a profit or the TOP end got the lions share and thew the rest of us a few bones.

          I had a Sea Captain friend call me two day ago, he’s stuck down in Key Largo and out of work. Asking me if I knew of anything. ~I did what I could for him, connected him with buddy down Houston way.

          Cap, was telling me the last good money he made was during the BP oil spill. ~ Working second Captain to a skinner vessel that never went out. Stayed tied to the dock, only untied and moved about for appearances. I failed to ask him who had contracted the boat. Anyway it was good work “for him” ~2nd Cap pay can command 250.00 to 300.00 per day. ~ but you need to understand a day for a Sea Captain is a 24 hour calender day.

          I think the Cap was thinking about eating his boot soles, so I guess he’s low on loot.

          It’s a wild thought on my part perhaps, ~ but I’m beginning to believe that over the last 30 years wealthy people have became so accustom to making big money easily, it spoiled them. They no long feel inclined to engage in the work and opportunities that being offered to them today. So they are feeling obliged to sit back and wait until the American people realize just how important they are.

          wild thoughts ~ I guess.

          • HighLighter

            Wealthy people are not going to “get to work” until they see a possible profit because their work is hiring workers and running a business. I am not going to waste my time and risk a arm or leg cutting and loading firewood which I can do for small money when I can make much more by doing less and not risking the payment of a 10K a day payroll. Wealthy people have become lazy to the trades for the most part because they can make more money elsewhere by using their money and minds rather than their backs and hands. Would your captain buddy take a job as a ship’s cook?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thing about this Katrina thing is Bob, having gone down there 3 years in a row to serve in relief help the first three years after it hit, was how I was amazed at the instant work of people in Gulfport, Biloxi, Bay St. Louis, Pascagoula, Pass Christian, and many other cities in Mississippi. Almost all of them imediately tore the doors and windows out of their houses, and stripped the drywall and insulations out of walls to let their houses dry out and not collect black mold, so that they could rebuild them. What was destroyed was removed, and new houses and hotels and casino’s and restaurants appeared over the next two years, as these folks mobilized and went into a rebuilding and recovery mold. But when we would go over to New Orleans, a lot of neighborhoods still sit there to this day, vacant and untouched, un-liveable and full of black mold, because they are lazy indeed, sitting there waiting on the government to come and take care of them. This mentality is killing this country, people sitting around waiting for the government to help them. It is unacceptable. When I see the total rebuild in these cities I mentioned earlier, and I see New Orleans, what a contrast. For years they have lived there off of government handouts, and have become dependant on the government, and this is what you get from that. And people becoming dependant on them, is what gives these guys the power to go and do pretty much whatever they want. Thats why it is so sad to see people sitting around depending on the government to give them everything, because we all pay for it, both out of our pockets, and in the power these guys attain keeping people dependant on them. And as the post earlier said, a lot of it comes down to lazy people. There is no other way around it. It is a fact.

      • Richard Pawley

        Sad but apparently true. I’m reminded that some 20 years ago I went to Arlington National Cemetery on a visit to see the eternal flame of the late president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (who would likely not even be allowed to be in today’s Democratic Party) and I recalled that he had been groomed for the presidency by his dad for years, after his brother Joe died in WWII. JFK was very close to the presidency, had studied and knew about it more than most presidents, yet after he was elected, made the statement, “I had no idea!”

        That trip to Arlington was also interesting because I got in a conversation with an otherwise educated person who felt that what we needed was a world government that would make people do what was best for them. Against such ignorance I did not even bother to argue and I thought that perhaps the nation was further along in it’s life cycle than I thought if an otherwise educated person could honestly believe that. Of course I did not realize then that it would be our debt that would deal the death blow to Democracy as we have known it. I do not know when the dollar will collapse or how high our debt can go before no one will loan us the money to spend but the fact that we are even now just creating $75,000 MILLION DOLLARS per MONTH out of thin air doesn’t bode well for our nation or our dollar. No nation that has refused to reign in their spending and just print money has ever had good come out of it. The only good I can see coming from this is that it gives those in the know more time to prepare. Joseph told the Pharaoh that Egypt had seven years to prepare. I am convinced our nation does not have that long anymore. I devoted an entire 25 pages to this in my autobiography, LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA and my newest book is only on this topic. I pity those who must live in the big cities and a wise person would heed all that I and much more knowledgeable men have written about getting prepared for future food shortages and economic upheaval. God feeds the birds of the air but He doesn’t drop worms into their mouths. Dum spiro spero!

        • bob wire

          It wasn’t until “You Lie” Wilson , did I educate myself much about current South Carolina.

          Considering the dynamics, recent long drought and rich political history of the region, I would enjoy such a book that you offer.

    • wayne

      Congress members should not take a dime from any special interest groups when they are running for office. It is a fact that the folks giving this money expects a payback. Guess who pays for this payback, it comes from the tax payer, you and me. We need a complete revamping of our government. We all know people in Congress in the government are getting paid under the table by these special interest groups. We can buy food from all over the world, but we cannot buy a cheaper drug from Canada, our good neighbor to the north. I would bet my bottom dollar that some members in Congress are getting paid off by the drug makers to keep this from happening. A few Congress members has gone to Congress with very little money. After they are in there for a considerable period of time, some become millionaires. I wonder how that happens? We need to have Congress Members that have integrity, but where do you find these kind of people in our society now days. I guess you don’t. It looks like the taxpayers are stuck with getting ripped off by their shady Congress.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry


        The electorate made a baby step in the right direction last November. We sent about 60 Tea Party candidates to the House and a few to the Senate. I know that is a small number overall, but it is a start. If we can maintain the “fire” we can do even more in 2012. No war is won with one battle victory.

        What we are up against now is just as daunting as what our Founding Fathers faced, we simply have more comfortable environments from which to do battle. So far anyway.

        The one very worrisome aspect is the Republican leadership which is nothing more than more of the same.

        Boehner has not got the stones to vet the Kenyan and has stated the issue has been settled by statements from the HI governor. That is a joke and so is Boehner.

        Call the Capital switchboard at 202-224-3121, ask for Rep Issa’s office, he is the new Oversite Committee chairman, and request, no, demand an investigation into the Kenyan’s eligibility.

        Also, call your rep in the House at the same number and make the same demand.

        Call Boehner’s office as well.

        I made all three calls about ten days ago, and will do so again as many times as necessary.

        • Rex

          Obviously Wayne you did not read the above article and Jeff’s comment. This country is screwed and we’re going down FAST!

        • Harry Buttle

          What an odd comment! The FBI investigates all Presidential candidates. The only problem they found was with Senator McCain’s citizenship because he was born in Panama. If you believe the FBI lied, then go on over to your local FBI office and ask them why. The Hawaii state government has twice shown Obama’a birth certificate publicly. Reporters found Obama’s Hawaiian birth announcement in the archives of two Hawaiian newspapers. Even if all that had been false or faked, Obama would still be a natural-born US citizen because of his mother’s citizenship.

          Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 includes this in the many
          circumstances that confer citizenship:

          “Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien
          and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived
          in the U.S. for at least five years.”

          Senator McCain
          The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the
          Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law
          states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or
          after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United
          States citizen, was “declared” to be a United States citizen. Note
          that the terms “natural-born” or “citizen at birth” are missing from
          this section.

          In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the
          Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the
          Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However,
          it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small
          group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a
          natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): “a person born outside of
          the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of
          whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a
          residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions,
          prior to the birth of such person.” Not eveyone agrees that this
          section includes McCain — but absent a court ruling either way, we
          must presume citizenship

          Counter argument

          Why Senator John McCain Cannot Be President: Eleven Months and a
          Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship

          Gabriel J. Chin
          University of Arizona – James E. Rogers College of Law;
          University of Arizona – School of Public Administration and Policy

          Michigan Law Review First Impressions, Vol. 107, No. 1, 2008
          Arizona Legal Studies Discussion Paper No. 08-14

          Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizen
          parents. The Canal Zone was territory controlled by the United States, but it was not incorporated into the Union. As requested by Senator McCain’s campaign, distinguished constitutional lawyers Laurence Tribe and Theodore Olson examined the law and issued a detailed opinion offering two reasons that Senator McCain was a natural born citizen. Neither is sound under current law. The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment’s grant of citizenship to “all persons born . . . in the United States.” However, in the Insular Cases, the Supreme Court held that “unincorporated territories” were not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Accordingly, many decisions hold that persons born in unincorporated territories are not Fourteenth Amendment citizens. The Tribe-Olson Opinion also suggests that Senator McCain obtained citizenship by statute. However, the only statute in effect in 1936 did not cover the Canal Zone. Recognizing the gap, in 1937, Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth. Because Senator John McCain was not a citizen at birth, he is not a “natural born Citizen” and thus is not “eligible to the Office of President” under the Constitution.

          This essay concludes by exploring how changes in constitutional law implied by the Tribe-Olson Opinion, such as limiting the Insular Cases and expanding judicial review of immigration and nationality laws passed by Congress, could make Senator McCain a citizen at birth and thus a natural born citizen.

          • njgirl

            Wrong. BOTH parents must be US citizens. His father was a Kenyan citizen which makes him a dual citizen. It was up to the DNC to vette Obama. As for Hawaii showing Obama’s full length birth certificate, I don’t know where you heard this unless you are referring to the COLB on the website. Hawaii often issued COLB’s for children born out of the country. As for the birth annoucements in the newspapers, anyone can post a birth, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. As for the birth announcements in the 2 newspapers, the address that was given was checked into and his parents never lived at the address in the birth announcement. The first thing Obama signed when he was in office was Presidential Order 13489 sealing all of his personal records. During the court martial of Lt.Col.Terry Lakin, the judge, Col.Denise Lind refused discovery stating that it might cause “embarrassment” to the President. That statement speaks for itself.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry, I believe you’re both wrong. Thousands of babies are born on military bases every year outside of the US, as was McCain (and three of my five children). A State Department “Report of US Citizen Born Abroad” is processsed for every one of these kids.

            Following the sophistry of the armchair lawyers and birthers, thousands of US citizens born abroad would not be eligible for POTUS, and that is not the case. And it doesn’t matter if only one parent is a US citizen, unless the married couple opts to declare a different citizenship for the child. ALL of my children are eligible to become POTUS.

            You can bet your boots that if either Obama or McCain were not eligible for office, the Dems/Repubs would have made a major stink about it, but they didn’t. Any suggestions why they didn’t?

            Chin doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and I certainly wouldn’t go to him for legal advice. Doesn’t it strike you as just a little odd that Chin would challenge McCain’s eligibility but not Obama’s? Looking over his writings, there’s no doubt he’s just another left wing hack who prefers to write law rather than interpret it correctly and without bias.

        • JeffH

          Harry, It isn’t the job of the FBI to verify the presidents citizenship. In Cleveland, OH. on the Mike Trivisonno Show, WTAM 1100, 7/02/08 Special Agent C. Frank Figliuzzi of the Cleveland FBI clearly stated that “Background checks are not performed on those elected, once elected they work for Congress and are handed a secret clearance.”
          Host – Time out. There are no background checks from the FBI on the people that lead the country, the United States of America?.
          FBI – Let me emphasize, elected officials. This is a democracy, the people have elected an official to represent them in Washington, and we do not routinely run background checks on those people.
          Host – Even people running for president of the United States of America?.
          FBI – That’s correct, its part of democracy, its part of what the American people want, they want to be able to vote for somebody to represent them in Washington and they don’t want us to get in the way of that and we have no predilection to get in the way of that.

          Even though the office of the President is part of the Federal Government, the Feds don’t have any power to enforce the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement for Presidential candidates. It’s the state governments, and their State Elections Divisions, who are actually the government officials who are responsible for ensuring a candidate, during the election process, is legitimate. Unfortunately most, if not all states don’t properly verify elegibility for the office of the president.

          Secretary of States are supposed to “confirm” whether a candidate is eligible to run for President, yet, in the case of Barack Obama, not one single Secretary of State has stepped forward and declared they investigated whether Obama is, indeed, a natural born citizen.

          This is not an indictment of Obama, but of the system. A system that is supposed to have “checks and balances”, a system, that is supposed to verify whether a candidate running for President, is who he says he is, is a natural born citizen, and, perhaps at a later date, is mentally fit. This is not too much to “ask”, after all, each and every day, regular “average Joe’s” such as you and I, have to pony up proof that we’re citizens, proof such as our certified birth certificates, not online on our campaign site, but before an actual government official.

          • TIME

            Saddly Barry is only a “symptom” of the USA’S ills, oddly Barry being elected to POTUS has clearly displayed to the world that the USA is very SICK.

            Again Saddly – if any single Congress person had opened that door Congress ~ would have also had to VET Barry. Yet not a single one did. So whats that say about any of your State’s Congress persons?

            Again Barry is but a “SYMPTOM” of just how Sick this country is.

            Most are so wound up in what they OWN or looking to acquire that nothing else matters as long as all the TOYS and the TELLIE work, to so its hell with everything else after that long 40 hours week and having to deal with a dork of a boss.

            You know it reminds me of the RAT stroy. In the early 1980′s A study was done on boxed Brekfast foods. Many pallets of differant kinds of these foods were left on the docks in storage areas that RATS could get at.

            After three months of filming they found that the RATS walked around the box’s and ate the BOX’S, and left the inside maretials – you know the stuff you eat.
            That clearly displays our Political system as well our media they go for the “packaging only.” And then they SELL YOU on that package, saddly again how many buy the package without even knowing whats in it! Ever hear that before??????

            They think your all so stupid that you will never see their behavior for what it is. So far its been working like Lucky Charms, Pink Stars, and Orange Clovers, Yellow Skys, and Red Moons.

          • JeffH

            TIME, so true. I didn’t know exactley how a presidents citizenship verification was supposed to be checked and by whom. I was under the impression that the Speaker of the House was required to verify…but now I understand, ut of course a little late now. Like you say, we’ve all just looked at the packaging and not the contents.

          • njgirl

            When the DNC chose Obama as their candidate, Nancy Pelosi sent letters to all 50 states. Forty-nine states received letters stating that the DNC had found him to be “eligible” to run for the office of POTUS. The letter sent to Hawaii stated that the DNC had found him to be “Constitutionally eligible” to run for office of POTUS. Also why has he had at least 30 different Social Security numbers, the current one being issued in Connecticut, a state he never lived in and that SS# originally issued to a man who died many years ago???

        • http://?? Joe H.

          At least the RNC did one infant step by getting rid of Steel! That man was a drag on the whole system let alone the repubs!!

          • bob wire

            I can’t help but feel Steele was their token “black” ~ I know that comes across as perhaps racist ~so ~ sue me!

            I’m sorry, but I failed to see any leadership qualities in Steele that would make him worthy the position.

            The same way with Palin, she was brought forward by McCain. A brain fart, more of a gendered counter balance to Hillary, an attempt to capture the woman vote. Just another McCain Hail Mary pass, long and deep, hoping to connect.

            I think it’s that simple! I really do.

            I know it sounds awful to say, to think they might see it so simple ~ but I can’t help but believe the GOP leadership was that poorly conducted in 07 & 08. They had their head in the clouds and really was not aware that hard working American were struggling under the load, running up indebtedness to keep appearances, staying a flow and hoping for something to break good.

            I don’t think they know now. Because baby, it’s mean out there today.

            If it wasn’t for the pressured offered by the Tea Party over the course of the last two years, GOP leaderships head would still be in the clouds today. Arrogant and refusing to see or believe they are disconnected from the people. In fact, I believe they like this disconnect, this insulation from the fire and heat.

          • JeffH

            bob, I’ll say that now, the GOP seems to be responding and at least acknowledging “the people” which is something the Dems still haven’t figured out and don’t care to.

          • njgirl

            Sarah Palin was chosen by Henry Kissinger.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You couldnt be more wrong about Sarah Palin Bob. Had the republicans made the ticket Palin/McCain, they would have won the election. You tell me, in a time when people are sick of career politicians, why they would want to elect 150 year old John McCain who has been in politics forever? That was the mistake. Old John should have been in the VP slot, then we probably would have had a different result.

      • Jerbigge

        As has been said before, we “have the finest government that money can buy”. This is the source of the problem. Both political parties are “owned” by corporate interests (thanks to the Supreme Court). Voting for members of the Tea Party won’t accomplish anything because they will accept bribes by corporate lobbyists to vote the way the corporations want just like ordinary Republicans and Democrats do.

        Our health care costs are twice the developed world average because we have a government enforced monopoly in health care. This has given us the world’s highest paid doctors, the world’s most expensive hospital system, the world’s highest priced drugs produced by the world’s most profitable drug companies. The solution for this state of affairs is to either take the government out of health care, or adopt the sort of government run health care that the rest of the developed world now has. Personally I favor taking the government out of health care. The first step is to repeal the prescription laws that have turned doctors into legal drug pushers at a great profit to themselves. Then we should require free trade in drugs just like we have free trade in everything else. Now ask yourself, what political party advocates this? Not the Democrats, not the Republicans. They support the status quo. Obama’s so called “health care reform” is just a give a way to the private health insurance industry, the second most profitable business after the drug companies. However, there is one political party that no one can “buy”, that stands and has stood for personal freedom since the beginning. That party is the US Libertarian Party. They really and truly believe in freedom, low taxes, and everything else that America once stood for. Next time you vote, look for the Libertarian Party and vote straight ticket! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so!

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          McCain’s citizenship is no longer the issue. Obama’s citizenship is the issue.

          As I understand it the only thing shown publically was a Certificatioin of Live Birth which is not a birth certificate.

          He at best has dual citizenship due to his Kenyan father. It has also been discussed that his mother due to age and having been out of the country could not have passed on U.S. citizenship.

          If there is a birth certificate in HI then it should have been brought outand kept public immediately. If he had nothing to hide, he would not be hiding it, and spending, as reported on WND, Newsmax and others, upwards of two million dollars to keep everything hidden.

          A person being considered for a janitorial position would have to cough up more information than Obama has presented, which is virtually nothing.

          There is also the issue of Obama’s ficticious Social Security number.

          We can only hope that Ron Paul runs again in 2012. Herman Cain is also another great choice.

          • bob wire

            “A person being considered for a janitorial position would have to cough up more information than Obama has presented, which is virtually nothing.”

            I believe it’s a non issue regarding them both.

            A reigning senator in good standing such qualify for the position on 1st chair would be my thoughts on the matter.

            but that’s off thread topic ~ unless you wish to pursue some diabolical conspiracy of sorts. I know there a few floating about ~ far afield the facts or reality, or should I say “my” reality.

          • kate8

            b w – The only problem with that is that it circumvents our Constitution. Apparently that doesn’t bother many democrats.

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but shouldn’t Obama have had to show his BC before rrunning for the Senate? Yet, he didn’t.

            The fact that everyone on both sides of the aisle are coverning for him, as well as the media (both sides, for the most part), shows that it’s an inside job. It’s the article says. The whole thing’s a sham to make the American people think we have a voice.

          • smilee

            Old Henry

            Quite the fantasy world you live in!!!!!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You all that constantly defend Obama on the birth certificate issue, and most likely the college papers issue, let me just ask you this one question, and you need to give me an intelligent answer so that we can all understand. If indeed Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, and if indeed he has legitimate college papers as he says, then why in the world has he paid, from all reports, anywhere from 250 thousand dollars to 2 million dollars in legal fees fighting to have to show these things? If he has nothing to worry about, then why spend all this legal team money fighting having to produce them? Does that not sound just a little bit odd to you? I know that 99.9 percent of us would show these things right away, before we would throw money away hiding them for no reason at all. Or could it be, he doesnt have legal things to show? That is the only explanation that makes sense to spend this kind of money to keep them hidden. The only explanation.

        • Allan Halbert

          What makes you think Libertarians would manifest less greed, inefficiency, or impracticality than Tea Party people if given power? Parts of Libertarianism make sense to me, but I will never equate a Party with a cure. Every Party is ruled by human nature. Our biggest problem is the perks that have eroded representative government, just as Bob L. said. What an amazing set of principles the Constitution was in its attempt to both minimize excesses of human nature and maximize freedom. We spend time on this site essentially auditing the government for its divergence from the Constitution. The question is how you get those in power to reduce the perks. They are essentially the ultimate union, which is generally never willing to give up anything. I think pledges and contracts are a possiblity and could be tied to political donations. Then you’d at least be able to sue for breach of contract.

          • Vicki

            There is a reason why our forefathers warned us that
            “Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

            Notice “gallantry”. Politically correct speech could fit in the definition. (2a. an act of marked courtesy)

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I would have to believe the Libertarians would get corrupted even more, for one simple reason. First, you have to understand where corruption and greed and things like this come from. They come from the great deceiver, satan. The libertarian party, from all accounts Ive read, totally discount God and dont allow Him anywhere, much to their detriment. Satan would have a field day with them, I have no doubt. And it is a shame, because they have great vision and foundation on their governmental believes that are much better than what I have seen from the dems and repubs. Head and shoulders above them. But I also know, that without God, youve got nothing, and without his protection, the enemy will devour you. If they ever come into power, they will start good, but the enemy will devour them, and without any protection from God, they will end up like the democrats, evil and defiled.

          • Vicki

            Beberoni writes:
            “I would have to believe the Libertarians would get corrupted even more, for one simple reason…..”

            Of course those who are elected can be corrupted. Power does that. Evidence abounds in those elected from the Democrat and Republican parties. The Libertarian Party PLATFORM however is a guide to the elected to help them resist. Our duty is to point out to them when they stray from the path. If they fail to return to their principles then we vote them out.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are right, and any caught taking money from any group, should have it considered as a bribe and be removed from office immediately, or from running for an office. You cannot govern fairly and righteously, when someone has filled your pockets with money to govern things favorably towards them. Its called corruption.

    • JRC

      It IS to late.

      Tell me, how do you want to change the law, if the people you need to change the law are the same that perverted it to begin with?
      By the time those people are up for election they are already bought and paid for. It does NOT mater who you elect to try to change a law by the time you hear that persons name their soul already belongs to special interest and the power brokers.
      Look what happened in the last election. The people on both sides have had the wool pulled over they’re eyes…and even now, they believe that they really changed something…..nope they did is business as usual in DC.

      • Kris

        Excellant question and insight! I’ve been saying this for years! Who is pulling the strings and how did they worm their way in? It probably started with one president years ago. Since then all we do is feed the machine and our destruction and descent into a 3rd world country and eventual slavery!

      • David Dunlap

        How about removing solidarity among Congress members? For instance, bailouts to states are just a matter of time, probably the first one this year. Is there value to a rule that disqualifies US Representatives from being able to vote for a bill that is to cover or help cover their own state’s fiscal irresponsibility or directly benefit a particular state and state interactivity on the benefit is a stretch? If so, would there also be value in those case to having state legislatures determine the vote for the US Representatives who are supposed to be representing their state constituencies?

        • Vicki

          Isn’t that how it was? Except it was the members of the Senate that were selected by state legislators.

      • kate8

        JRC – I recently read an article of an interview with someone who had been elected to high office in Europe – gosh, I wish I could remember who. May have been Spain.

        Anyway, he said that after having won the election, he was paid a visit by Henry Kissinger in order to inform him of how the world “works”. If you get my drift.

        I’m quite sure that all members of our Congress are paid a similar visit by one of the elites.

        I also recall the first time the SCOTUS were scheduled to hear Obama’s legitimacy case. Chief Justice Roberts was paid a visit by Obama and some of his pals the night before, and the next day the case had disappeared off the docket.

        All branches are part of the NWO now.

      • Allan Halbert

        I don’t think people had the wool pulled over their eyes. They see the corruption and lack of accountability. What would you have them do other than vote for the best person on the ballot? Criticism is easy. What’s your realistic solution?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They are all lawyers. They have prostituted the system and changed it around, where to do anything, they get paid. And then they pay themselves. And they accept bribe money to benefit certain groups willing to bribe them. They are lawyers, the scourge of society. Good look getting them to do things to take away from themselves. I dont see it happening in this life time. I just dont see it, and Im an optomist about things. But with lawyers, they are a corrupted group, and I dont have any faith in them at all.

    • Kim

      Thanks for the info…whew, it’s a lot to digest…think I’ll skip breakfast…

      • Bus

        This is a pretty simplistic article that includes no evidence to back up the scare tactics used. Yet Karl Marx would be happy that you are using his view in explaining that those with the wealth control the government in order to keep themselves wealthy.
        James Madison was trying to establish a system that would have more independence from the power of the states. So where it says that the Congress shall be paid by the federal government, it was an attempt to create a group of statesmen that would have some independence from the narrow interests of the states so they could make meaningful legislation for the nation as a whole. Trouble is, it worked. They have become TOO independent from their states and their constituents. Under the Articles of Confederation there were term limits, a person could only serve 3 of every 6 years. But Madison and his brethern wanted to give this new Federal government more independence so they eliminated term limits…Now ask a sitting congressman/woman if term limits should be installed and they will tell you that every 2 or 6 years the people have the right to limit the terms…But they are aware of the great advantages they have as incumbents and the slanted party system that assures them a lifetime seat, (unless they sexually abuse a page, and even that may not mean anything in some districts). The issue is that the American voters are simply too stupid or corrupt to vote out the incumbent who promises to bring home more of those ill gotten federal dollars to their states. The people realize that in a corrupt system it is in their best interest to keep the best crook working for them.

        • Vicki

          Bus writes:
          “The issue is that the American voters are simply too stupid or corrupt to vote out the incumbent who promises to bring home more of those ill gotten federal dollars to their states. The people realize that in a corrupt system it is in their best interest to keep the best crook working for them.”

          They must not be stupid then cause they realize that in a corrupt system…

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Your probably right, but at least this last election, American did wake up a little and vote over 60 crooks out of office. Now all we can do is hope the new crooks are a little better, and maybe one day, we can do what we were charged to do in the beginning, and that is to “elect Godly men” to our government positions. We dont do that, and we all see the results. It isnt pretty, is it?

    • Tazio2013


      Kudos to you for an outstanding post. And here is a recent item with a complimentary POV:

      I trust that you and other open-minded, clear-thinking, freedom-loving individuals will read it, including the Reader Feedbacks.

      I am not optimistic about our futures under the boot of the US one-party, white male republikrat, crusading christian, socialist/fascist (a distinction without a difference) system.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      Excellent Post Jeff. You got all the ducks in a row.

    • Dan az

      The Elections of the President of the United States of America and its Congress etc. had for many years been completely managed by the Secretary of State’s office. The Secretary of State is purely a Corp. USA position, therefore when the Secretary of State held the election of those officers in 1944 (after the quit claim deed) that election could only have been for the Corp. USA offices due to the conflict in interests created by the corporations new ownership, and those corporate offices, even though they have the same names as the government offices, could no longer sit in a dual role office.

      Separate elections must be held, but they weren’t. They still aren’t. Therefore there was no election of officers of the government of the United States of America. And all of America was none the wiser. The government was still there and the Constitution was still alive and well and living in Washington D. C. but once again** there was nobody sitting in the seats of the officers of government. Just like it was when the founding fathers signed the Constitution but the States had not ratified it, the government existed but nobody’s home. There hasn’t been an Election since, and there won’t be one until America once again wakes up. This is fantastic, I know, but look at the facts! This is the only solution that makes sense. Not only that but there are piles of evidence that prove these facts and conclusions are accurate.

      • Teresa

        TY, you get it!!!!!!!!!

      • kate8

        Dan az – Thanks. My research has led me to the same conclusion.

        Finding a way to opt out is fine, but what happens when the real enforcers are loosed on us? When a government is overthrown, I think everyone is just SOL.

        • Dan az

          Then that’s when the third box is opened!Blue helmets make great targets!

      • Pat R

        The Republic for the united States of America has re-inhabited those vacant seats. Yes, we have another complete Government right now. We have a President, Vice President, Congress, Senate and de Jure Grand Juries; just the way the Founding Fathers set it up. Check it out!

        • Dan az

          Pat R
          I read that before and what bothers me is that it makes two governments and the time for that would be and if we had a revolution there would be need for it then.

    • Richard Pawley

      You said, “The establishment Times of London stated: “If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [i.e. honest Constitutionally authorized no debt money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt [to the international bankers]. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

      Well, basically isn’t that what we did until Congress in 1913 went along with Democratic Woodrow Wilson and voted into existence the newly formed and mostly European owned Federal Reserve Bank so income tax could be started to pay for what we did ourselves before that? No wonder Benanke wants us to increase the national debt (it topped 14 TRILLION early yesterday in the a.m.), as more than 40% of every dollar we borrow goes to the FED and it’s owners as interest, and you can believe that they are putting their money into things that are real.

    • Art J

      I agree with most of your post, but the good news is we have a new congress, president, chief justice and others. Its found at the website: Check us out!

      • kate8

        Art – I have checked your site before, and am somewhat intrigued. I just want to know what evidence we have that anything has been “restored”? Seems pretty much like business as usual in DC to me.

        • Pat R

          The Republic does not work out of Washington DC. Washington DC is a Corporation owned by IMF and acts like our government. Until the Republic was restored, we had NO Government. We have been castrated by DC for so long that no one wants to face the truth.
          The Republic is our only hope for survival. Folks, it’s coming at us hard and fast. Washington is going down soon, and we face the UN taking over and Martial Law, without the Republic.

          • kate8

            Pat R – Just where is this restored Republic, and who is part of it?

            I just don’t quite get it.

    • Judy

      Term limits are not good for conservatives. Look what has happened in California. We have had term limits for years. Before term limits we were just over 50% progressives vs conservatives. Now we are almost at 66% progressives.

      1. Legislators have no accountability with term limits. They do not have to worry about getting re-elected so they can give away everything with no repercussions.

      2. The state employee unions own the government in California because there is no continuity of personnel.

      3. The MSM is always in the tank for a liberal so if a conservative is term limited out many times the liberal will take his place.

      The issue is not term limits but the public need to be educated about what they are voting on. Blame the voters. They vote these people in.

      • Richard Pawley

        Interesting! Never considered that Judy, and I know California is a basket case. Hope you don’t live in a major city because when the unions discover there is no money (anywhere) to pay them their big fat salaries and retirement they may take things into their own hands as they did in Greece. I think the dollar will be with us a bit longer but big inflation is coming, especially in consumables. I know several people who have moved out of California while they could. Businesses seem to be getting out too, and if we can’t rebuild New Orleans in five years I suspect that it will take far longer to rebuild Los Angeles which will have far greater devastation than New Orleans when the big one finally hits. Although I said there was a high probability of it happening in 2010, in THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES, I have recently revised that in my autobiography, LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA, and I am now convinced that it will be in the summer of 2014. Our scientists say it is overdue and could happen at any time. Of course by 2014 we may have so many other problems that the ‘big one’ will just be one more.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          California is in a mess because of its liberal politics. I just read where it cost them 21 billion on illegal aliens last year, 600 million in LA county alone. Then they showed a picture of a bunch of bleeding heart liberals that took 11 buses to Arizona to protest their immigration stance. Are you kidding me? They are so screwed up there, in debt and broke, and then they want to give more away, and force others to do so also. It is no wonder those with sense and business are leaving the state in record numbers. All they do is keep raising taxes and raising taxes, then giving it away to those who have never paid any taxes. Insanity at its finest. And they wonder why they are bankrupt and busted. Probably figuring out a way to blame it on Bush and Cheney. Even their leaders, like Pelosi, who knows they are broke and in debt, and are being swallowed up by Mexico, makes a statement saying “We need to do more to help these people”. Excuse me? Illegal means that Nancy, illegal. They are breaking the law, which makes them a criminal. And criminals should be prosecuted. But the state doesnt have enough money to enforce the illegal alien problem, but they have enough money to give it to illegal aliens. Wow. What a government they have out there. Simply amazing. And sad thing is, people keep voting them back into office time and time again. Amazing.

      • Allan Halbert

        Term limits are an essential piece in reforming Congress. Don’t assume one term legislators would “give away everything”. Politics will not attract professional politicians if there are term limits. If you had term limits in California the intractable liberals in your legislature would be gone too, and there would be more chance of reform after an election. Legislators already have no accountability, and not having term limits has obviously failed. Why keep doing the same thing? The unions “own” government because the people running for relection made promises they have to keep. Who says we have to let the mainstream media dictate our behavior? If conservatives have greater numbers and better ideas, let them come forward and compete in a process that would be more affordable. Term limits could truly change how special interest groups look at donations. I also think it would make people focus on the ideas of the candidate rather than the familiar face or the lesser of two evils. Where there are liberal majorities, they are likely to vote liberal. After educating themselves, conservatives still have to vote for someone on the ballot. Are you going to saddle them with only the choice of professional politicians and then call them stupid for the outcomes?

        • JeffH

          Allan says: “If you had term limits in California the intractable liberals in your legislature would be gone too”…sorry to disappoint Allan, but California’s majority is liberal and thus they vote for the not free “freebies” and those liberals that promise to hand them out. If you live in California you would know this to be true. Term limits won’t change the ideals, it just changes the representative and if you get a really good representative it only makes sense to keep them in office.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            What I would like to know Jeff, is how these people that have sunk the State of California for so many years, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer and such, continue to get re-elected, when all they are doing is redistributing money to those who are here illegally, and bankrupting the state. How do they continue to get re-elected. I dont understand that mentality. Its sick.

    • crystals10

      Excellent story by Bob, and a great comment by JeffH! The Rothchilds have been creating evil since Mayer worked for the King during the AMERICAN REVOLUTION. Since the English didn’t want to fight their own families, Mayer hired Russian fighters to don English Military Uniforms, and act as Englishmen in the fight. Of course Mayer told the king he had hired them @ $1.00 a day, when in fact he hired them for .50 cents a day and pocketed the other .50 cents, plus his own wage from the king. You are spot on with the corruption of Mayer Amschel Rothchild. We need to unite, and find a way to restore America back to the Constitutional Republic she was meant to be! Seems there are many of us who are all too familiar with the shenanigans being played out.

    • THomNJ

      I would tend to agree (and with Chucky, also), and I would add one more thing to the list in the article. I have been advocating for a while now that one of the big problems we have is just that – the members of Congress THINK of themselves as FEDERAL employees – they no longer represent (with a few exceptions) their constituents. One way to help resolve this? Don’t pay them out of the federal treasury – they ought to be paid only by the taxpayers of their respective states. Let the states decide what laws apply to them. Let the states decide what they get paid and when they get raises. Maybe if they felt they actually worked for the people of the state they came from, the Congresscritters would be a little bit more careful about what they propose and for how they vote.

    • http://none John

      We can continue voting them out of office until we find some real statesmen who’s only interest is the welfare of this Nation and its People.

    • wise owl

      The Bar Asso website says they began in New York in 1878?

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I feel alot of agreement with Mr Livingston on the subject of corruption in the senate and house. Numerous congressmen have fallen victim to the desire to remain in office on the presumption that they can only do good for the people if they’re in office and that that reason justifies whatever they do while in office or to remain in office. What many congressmen dont seem to realize is that listening to lobbyist’s instead of the american people or their own consciences, taking in so much money from corporations for attack ads that downgrade their opponents and promote disagreement and mudslinging in the senate and house instead of debate, and focusing on getting elected instead of maintaining the promises of that election dont solve problems. They create anger and discontent among the people and can make people lose faith in the government and if not reformed of managed may even make people lose faith in the system itself. That being said I dont want any american to lose faith in the system of the republic and that brings me to my only real criticism with Mr Livingston on this article. That being Mr Livingstons inclusion of the statment “The time is long gone when Americans could go to the polls and vote for representative government. The great tragedy is that they still believe that they can.” Mr Livingston I agree with you on corruption in our government and the need for reform, but a statment such as this I feel is going to far. Instead of criticising those who have used and abused the system for their own selfish needs its as if your criticising the very system itself. I dont see it as a tragedy that americans still believe in the representative process. I see it as a sign of their faith in the republic. Personally I wish more americans would vote. But when you say Mr Livingston that they cant vote for representative government its as if your saying the system has already fallen or that its gone. I dont wish to put words or ideas in your mouth, im simply saying thats what your statment sounds like to me. I guess I just want to say Mr Livingston is I believe we still have representative government and through voting we the people can clean house and make things better. Its not a tragedy for americans to believe that their vote counts and can make a difference.

    • eddie47d

      Good information from both Jeff and Jeremy; What does anyone do with their power and wealth? Do you serve God,country or greed? Our elected officials should set a more responsible and humble lifestyle whether in words,action,or deeds. It does feel that those Representatives are fighting over their own Kingdoms and marking off their power bases instead of working for the common good of the United States.

      • Dan az

        The foreign owned private corporation known as the United States is usurping control over the people by contract, breaking up families ironically through the use of taxation, the D.A.R.E. program and “parens patria”, public education, and the media. With the proceeds of their control they are terrorizing the world. They inspire fictional police power to force their implied control over the people and to separate the people from their freedom, privacy and property. So the wind blows in our nation today. Example, In 1993, over 53,000 families were removed from their farms, homes, and land under the guise of the Endangered Species Act, and/or under the Wetlands Act. In eviction cases in Colorado, the Sheriffs Offices never use warrants to gain access to the land, they use a “Color of Law” “Writ of Restitution” instead and then say they are breaking and entering in good faith on the specious authority of the court ordered writ. On April 19th we find the anniversary of the Ruby Ridge, Idaho massacre, the Seventh-Day Adventist, Branch Davidian, Waco, Texas massacre, the first World Trade Center bombing (a massacre of 1000 people) and the Mura Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma massacre. Most recently there were the Airplane crashes into the WTC and the alleged Airplane crash (with no evidence of any aircraft at all) into the Pentagon (all of which airplanes had “Hijack proof” ground based ability to turn off all cockpit control systems in favor of ground control systems that could safely land any of the suspected hijacked planes) (Also, what happened to the alleged automated defense system that protects the air space over Washington, D.C.?) Are these last examples more examples of Corp US terrorism on our own people. Was it all simply a support building tactic for authorizing more global terrorism? We may never know the truth, but, we can tell which way the wind is blowing.

        • kate8

          Dan az, I believe that everything we see and hear is nothing but a case of the tail wagging the dog.

          For too long it has been common practice to set up events and then control the tide of public sentiment. We have been gullible fools, falling right into the trap set for us, right down to fighting over what actions to take to resolve the problems created by said events.

          They’ve got us all chasing our own tails while they are quietly setting up the worst system we can imagine. People are starting to catch on. I just hope we will be in time.

          • Dan az

            I know we here are ready for what ever comes our way and I know you are so dont get to frustrated we will proval keep the faith we are on the right side.

        • crystals10

          Dan: I agree with you and Kate8. I hope “they” have had their fun, and I know “they” have had a hell of a ride. Corporate US is thriving just as you say, and I believe “we” have learned the truth about it. All one has to do is research all the facts you mention. We shall not fear the Truth, but uphold it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Right on Eddie, I couldnt agree more. And these guys keep getting re-elected, and I dont know how.

    • John Hamilton

      Jeremy, it is because of blind faith, that your elected officials continue to manipulate everything financial through their puppets in Congress, the Senate etc.. Until everyone accepts that these folks have no power and are simply going through the motions their puppet masters instruct them to, then a solution to this is not possible. You can choose to dig a little deeper and see the folly of your ways, or you can continue on believing in an independent elected senate and congress as well as President, along with the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus et al until the curtain falls. And Jeremy, it will fall

      • Jeremy Leochner

        John my argument is not about blind faith or any faith in politicians. Its about faith in the democratic system. Yes we have incompetent and corrupt politicians in power but that dosen’t mean our representative government is lost. We the people can vote out the inept politicians and replace them with better ones. I know santa isnt real but that dosen’t mean christmas and giving are lies.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But we will continue to have corrupt and bought politicians in office, from both sides of the aisle, until we start doing what God told us to do, elect Godly men. We have failed miserably in this.

    • Pedro A Delgado

      Mr. Leochner: I respect your comment on Bob Livingston article and believe that they represent what most Americans feel.
      The problem in my opinion is that you as well as the majority of the American People are engaging in what a psychologist would call “Normalcy bias” = It did not happen before which means it cannot happen.
      The thought that we lost control of our Country is so horrible that most minds automatically reject that possibility.
      Unfortunately it did happen and I will try to show the proof with a few different things that have taken place already.
      1)The Obama Administration in an Unconstitutional way took control of Fanny May and Freddie Mac which basically means that after a few short months of being in Office they own more that 45% of all mortgages in the Country.
      You can also include here GM, Insurance companies and multitude of banks which in the aggregate sum trillions of dollars.
      2)Incredibly, Mr Obama has been in office for two years (in three more days) while refusing to show/prove that he is even eligible to be our president as our Constitution requires (Article II, Section I, Clause 5)
      3)Mr Bernanke told publicly to one of our Senators (Mr Sanders) that he would not say where he sent 2.2 trillion dollars of our money. Bear in mind that this amount is the total Tax Money collected during the whole year for the whole Nation.
      4)The Federal Reserve System is a Private Organization which never ever had their books inspected by anybody although they unconstitutional (Article I, Section 8 ) print our money and control basically the Financial Life of our Country.

      I could go on and on but, there is no need to go any further, we lost control of our Country and furthermore there is an excellent chance that our economy will collapse this year when the dollar goes to basically ZERO when it ceases officially to be the Reserve Currency of The World due to our gigantic DEBT.
      I say officially because already many countries already do not trade with dollars among each other (China and Russia to mention two) and others will not accept dollars anymore.
      More and more countries do not want to accept the fast devaluing dollars anymore and are publicly and privately trying to have a replacement currency for the dishonored dollar.

      • Pedro A Delgado

        For reasons that I do not understand when I referred to Article 1, Section 8 the printout in my copy came out Article 1 and a funny face.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Thanks for catching that Pedro. It sure had me scratching my head!
          What you say is, as we used to say in the t0s, right on. My generation’s grandparents and great grandparents allowed this mess to get started 100 years ago.

          It’s going to be a big cancer to cut out and I do not think the Weeper of the House has the stones as he is a bought and paid for part of the problem Republican.

          Call the Capital switch board at 202-224-3121, ask for Rep Issa’s office and demand that Obama be vetted immediately, if not sooner.

          Also, call you rep using the same number and demand the Kenyan be vetted immediately.

          When he and Biden are removed it all goes back to January 19, 2009. At least that which can conceivably be reversed. Two communist Supremes would be gone.

        • libertytrain

          When one types the number 8 next to a parenthesis – it is frequently read as the computer code that equals that particular smiley face -

          • Pedro A Delgado

            Thanks, dummy me messed it up.

      • Dan az

        The corporation was reorganized in 1878 along with its trademarks. Corp. USA began issuing bonds to cover the expenses of running government. They continued to issue these bonds until by 1912 there were more bonds due than there was money in the Treasury to pay for the bonds.

        Seven very powerful families had been buying up the bonds and in 1912 they demanded their timely redemption. When Corp. U.S. couldn’t come up with the money due, its owner was obligated to pay. The Treasury of the United States of America did not have sufficient funds to cover the bonds either and to satisfy the obligations the seven families seized the Treasury with all of its possessions.

        By 1913 there was still no money for operating the government/corporation, and if Corp. U.S. didn’t do something the people would revolt against them, so Corp. U.S. went to those seven very powerful families and asked if they could borrow money from them.
        The Federal Reserve Bank

        The heads of those families made arrangements and provisions to loan the money to Corp. U.S. and in 1913 the Federal Reserve Bank was formed and agreed to fund Corp. U.S. in their endeavors. Such an action would have been a gigantic violation of law but there wasn’t any problem with a corporation doing such.

        The real problem is in the name. How does one tell the difference between the corporation named, “THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT”, and the government of the United States of America? What’s worse, how do you tell the difference between the “United States” [a Trust and the body of government that represents the Trust, as Trustees], and the “United States” a trademark name for, “THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT”? The answer is simple, you can’t unless you know the context of what’s being done.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Pedro I assure you that is not my mentality. I dont believe we have lost our country becuase I see no evidence that our country is lost. However you may view the issues you mentioned I believe they’re issues that must be addressed but I dont see them as signs that we have lost our country. However either of us may view President Obama or Mr Bernake I still see the people as having the power to make necessary changes. We the people could vote out politicians if we choose, we the people can compel politicians to be more honest and enact reform, and we the people can force reforms through without requiring revolution or reseting the system. We can change the system without reseting it.

    • TIME


      In a perfect world perhaps we would still have some control, saddly thats not been the case for longer than I have been alive.
      We never had a chance its all been an illusion. You only your free, you only you have a choice.

      Thats what many of us have been trying to tell you all for some time.

      Can it be fixed, YES ~ but a “total reset” has to take place.
      Saddly that means “we will all loose our STUFF,” our homes and in many cases our lifes.
      But the fact is its going to happen one way or the other.
      You can buy into the rhetoric that everything is solid and fine and keep playing the part of a Head in the Sand ewe’s.

      Or you can really work to Bring TRUE CHANGE, to fight for your freedom.

      Do keep in mind we will all loose everything, we will be starting from scratch, square one, or how every you wish to say it.

      Its now all of your turn’s to stand or not. Its really very simple, if the media says its good, its bad, ~ if the media tells you its bad, its good.

      I can’t hate anyone who refuse’s to open their eyes, but I also can’t agree with you. Again its not a DemO v RebO. Its Good v PURE Evil.

      • John H.

        Nicely put TIME.

      • Teresa

        AMEN Time, very well said!

      • TIME

        Forgive me its should have been You only (THINK) your free, Somehow Think went missing.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry


        Absolutely wonderfully put! Bravo!

        I am not sure we will loose everything, however. Those of us who do not owe our souls to the credit card companies, banks, etc. should fare pretty well.

        ONe piece of advice you left out: buy guns and ammunition in large quantities. Buy them under the table when possible.

        • TIME

          Old Henry,

          Thanks for your kind words.

          Please do keep in mind what I am posting below is just the tip of the ice burg.

          They can still make it so YOUR TAX’S are so HIGH you can’t afford them.
          Example our home on Long Island, please do keep in mind our TAX’s were the OLD Fart rate.
          For a few acre’s of land and a home that was over 100 + years old the tax’s were going up in 2011 to $59,975.00 per year ~ thats just Property tax’s,
          The folks who bought our home are younger than myself and with the sale well into the 7 figures their tax’s will be over $75,000.00+.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That is why I do not see how people can live in New York and California and these other high tax liberal cities. My gosh man, how can one afford it? Here in Indiana, I live in a 112 thousand dollar house, that if I could pick it up and move it and drop it in California or New York, I could sell it for 750 thousand to a million dollars. I pay 469.00 a year in property taxes. Yet in my old county I lived in before I moved, which is and has been heavily democratic controlled for sometime, my house there was a 50 thousand dollar house, and my property taxes were almost 800.00 a year. So when your talking the rates you are, I do not understand how or why one would put up with it. Its just not worth it. They want it that bad, they can have it. Its like being held prisoner isnt it? No way I would deal with that. No stinking way.

      • Dan az

        We turn now to United States Code (USC) Title 22 ¤ 286 and read the following: “¤ 286. Acceptance of membership by the United States in International Monetary Fund. “The President is hereby authorized to accept membership for the United States in the International Monetary Fund (hereinafter referred to as the “Fund”), and in the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (hereinafter referred to as the “Bank”), provided for by the Articles of Agreement of the Fund and the Articles of Agreement of the Bank as set forth in the Final Act of the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference dated July 22, 1944, and deposited in the archives of the Department of State. (July 31, 1945, ch 339, ¤ 2, 59 Stat. 512.) Short titles: É May be cited as the ‘Bretton Woods Agreements Act’. “Other provisions: Par value modification. For the Congressional direction that the Secretary of the Treasury maintain the value in terms of gold of the Inter-American Development Bank’s holdings of United States dollars following the establishment of a par value of the dollar at $38 for a fine troy ounce of gold pursuant to the Par Value Modification Act and for the authorization of the appropriations necessary to provide such maintenance of value, see 31 USC ¤ 449a.”
        The Quit Claim Deed

        The act further transfers the assets of the United States Treasury to the IMF by stating words to the effect that: ‘the United States Treasury is now the Individual Drawing account of the IMF’

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Time I have no desire for or belief in a perfect world. I know there are terrible problems in our country, corrupt politicians, corporate lobbyist’s, economic issues and a sort of other problems both foriegn and domestic. But I see these issues as signs of hard times not end times. Yes we have issues but that dosen’t mean we cant solve them. I dont think im free I am free just like everyone. Our republic recognizes everyones rights to speak out and I believe in those rights. I believe if people vote and speak out and complain and protest things can be done. May sound naive but I dont think our country would even exsist if people didn’t have the power to change things. The problem I have with Mr Livingston is not that I dont think our country faces problems, its in how I think we should and could deal with them. Mr Livingstons statment makes it out that our republican system has been corrupted and it is now just a facade for evil men and women who use it to take advantage. While I agree that their are corrupt politicians I dont see the system as itself being a facade or being corrupt. If someone pretends to be a charity and you give them money and they take advantage that dosen’t charity a faliure or a scam. Yes there are those who would take advantage of our republican system but that dosen’t mean the system cant be used to stop the corruption. The problem when you start talking in terms of good versus pure evil is both sides may think they are good and as a result they may forget the rights of those they see as evil to make their case and in a debate and vote be then defeated. Yes there is a chance those you see as evil might be able to win in fair debate, but I doubt good people will vote evil if told the truth. Debating, arguing, voting, protesting can make a difference even in an inperfect world. We must do all we can to prevent people from taking advantage of our republic with the power of voting and protest but never forget to protect the very republic that recognized our rights to protest and vote in the first place.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Jeremy Loechner,

          You write, “I dont (sic) see the system as itself being a facade or being corrupt.” I ask you to recall the period 2009-2010 when The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, was being debated and passed. Polls showed that more than 60 percent of Americans OPPOSED the bill. Tens of thousands of average, middle class Americans left their jobs and businesses to travel to Washington to oppose its passage, yet Congress, placating Big Insurance and Big Union, passed the bill anyway, thumbing its collective nose at the American electorate.

          Article 1 Section 1 of the Constitution says: All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives. Yet we have the FCC, opposing a Federal judge, passing an order to implement “net neutrality” rules to control internet content. The EPA has decided it will implement restrictions on so-called greenhouse gases since Congress won’t act. For years Presidents have issued “Executive Orders” which have the force of law. Congress does nothing.

          Article 1 Section 8 says: The Congress shall have the Power… To declare War… To raise and support Armies… To provide and maintain a Navy… To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval forces…

          Congress allows us to remain at perpetual, undeclared war under Presidential fiat, abdicating its Constitutional mandate. A Federal judge just recently declared an end to “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” (an illegal executive order by President Clinton) which allows homosexuals to openly serve in the military. This topic should be settled by Congress.

          Consider this, and you don’t see the system as being a facade for evil men and women?

          Our system was corrupted in 1860 by the tyrant Abraham Lincoln, who ordered the invasion of the sovereign states that had exercised their rights under the Constitution to leave a union they joined voluntarily. It was further corrupted in the early 1900s with the establishment of the unConstitutional Federal Reserve and the illegal acts of FDR—in which the U.S. government, among other things, took a man’s produce because he “violated the commerce clause” by growing food for his own livestock.

          I stand by my article.

          Best wishes,

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Thank you for your comment Mr Livingston, I assure you I meant and mean no disrespect. I guess part of me feels that if bad people in charge causes mistakes and bad decisions to be made I like to believe that it also means if good people are in charge the mistakes and bad decisions can be undone and perhaps the damage can be repaired. And truth be told Mr Livingston I was very impressed with the solutions you offered at the end of your article. I found I agreed with all of them if not entirely then mostly. As for the examples you present I see them as acts of politicians who have abused and exploited the system rather then the system itself failing. That being said I appreciate your standing by your article. I respect those who have integrity and stand by their beliefs as you have. If I have in any way misinterpreted or misconstrued your words I apologize. I gave my view as I thought it and I stand by it as you have stood by your article.

        • Dan az

          Martial Law is declared by President Lincoln on April 24th, 1863, with General Orders No. 100; under martial law authority, Congress and President Lincoln institute continuous martial law by ordering the states (people) either conscribe troops and or provide money in support of the North or be recognized as enemies of the nation; this martial law Act of Congress is still in effect today. This martial law authority gives the President (with or without Congress) the dictatorial authority to do anything that can be done by government in accord with the Constitution of the United States of America. This conscription act remains in effect to this very day and is the foundation of Presidential Executive Orders authority; it was magnified in 1917 with The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917). and again in 1933 with the Emergency War Powers Act, which is ratified and enhanced almost every year to this date by Congress. Today these Acts address the people of the United States themselves as their enemy.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Dan with all due respect as a student of history and specifically The Civil War I have certain ideas about that time period. That being said I will point out martial law was never enacted by Abraham Lincoln as evidenced by the numerous protests and debates against him that took place in addition to the legal and lawful presidential election in 1864 which Lincoln had to struggle to win. Also for the sake of argument I would like to point out that at the time the conscription act was passed the United States was in a period of civil war where the nations very exsistence was constantly threatened. I feel under such circumstances conscription was necessary. As to laws enacted since then I agree that they were excessive though to my understanding such powers only take effect in case of dire emergencies. The problem is when incompetent politicians incorrectly label a serious issue an emergence for the nations safety.

  • Michael J.

    Mr. Livingston,
    I enjoyed reading your article and enjoying the readers comment when originally posted in the “Your Turn” forum as well. This compilation of no-brainers is on the lips of every conservative but until the halls of Congress are filled with like minded conservative constitutionalist, it’s simply wasted breath.

    The newly elected Tea Party candidates and a few others would likely support such a bill, but few others will. Nov.2nd was but round one in a long struggle to weed out the progressives, both left and right in government which must remain the epicenter of any such focused endeavor. Once the culling task has been fulfilled, we may then, and only then begin the work of submitting reasonable bills such as the one above for receptive consideration.

    • wayne

      Michael, the crooked Congress Members buy their votes with all the earmarks they send back to their state. We need to cut out the pork, and stop this wasteful spending. Some voters in certain areas are just plain stupid, or as crooked as their representatives. Look at how they voted Charlie Rangel back in office after he had failed to pay his income taxes and several violations of the House Rules. Look at Marion Barry, the mayor of Washington D. C. They voted him back in office after he was arrested and sent to prison for selling drugs while he was a mayor. Now folks, this is your liberals. They are the ones who support these crooked politiciansI. You can see that we have several on these forums. I will not mention any names as you already know who they are. The decent folks are being trampled on by these crooks.

      • LeRoy Z.

        Wayne, very good point about the earmarks. I was so encouraged when I began hearing so mush talk about abolishing earmarks. I nearly went through the roof the other night when someone on Fox News made the comment that some of our elected reps seemed to be changing their tunes and were reversing their stances on earmarks. I think it was John Stossel who did the segment where I heard this. That is so discouraging. I was in a funk for two days!! I know they say the earmarks are such a small portion of the budget that they don’t make a difference. But that is so misleading because, as Wayne says, they buy votes with these earmarks, so the effect reaches so much farther that it’s inestimable.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Not to forget California, bankrupt and broke, over run by illegal aliens, and continues to re-elect the likes of Nasty Pelosi and Barbara Boxer who champion the cause of giving their hard earned tax dollars to these same illegal aliens that have crippled the state. How can people be so dumb to empower those who crush them? I dont get it.

    • Dan az

      The United States of America cannot be a member in the IMF, and the Treasury of the United States of America cannot be turned over to a foreign bank’s control. The only thing left is they must be talking about Corp. USA which is only a corporation and I can find nothing that says a corporation cannot quit claim deed itself to another owner.

      Now think about it. And, this time instead of thinking the government did it [because they couldn't have], think about the Corporation, OK. In that case where it says, “The President is hereby authorized to accept membership for the United States”, “United States” as used here can only mean be the trademark name for the corporation known as, “THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT” in other words the corporation formed in 1878, and not the government.

  • Hoser

    Good luck with this one. The only way Washington changes is after the system collapse’s. They are doing it now to themselves. The dollar is soon to lose reserve status (50% drop in purchasing power) which will cause a huge uprising by hungry/poor people. Army is preparing now for this as we speak. Don’t vote for incumbents and for God sake quit voting the party line. Alas, politicians will in the end be guilty of their own misdeeds. Unfortunately, they will bring down their countrymen with them. Buy Gold/Silver.

    • mr. myth


      I agree with everything you stated. Our system IS going to collapse and there’s nothing anybody can do to change it. The damage has gone too far. Start stocking up now…gold, silver, food (non-perishables) and don’t forget the toilet paper. They did do it to themselves as did the rest of us. It amazes me as to what people will do for a paycheck.

      Government employees, at every level, just simply will not, and do not look to the future to see how their actions,(jobs), affect the well-being of this country. They’re selling-out their own freedoms for a paycheck and seemingly don’t care or realize it.

      The Army you speak of will come in the form of a complete and totally militarized “National Police Force”. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure they’ve done away with jurisdictional law enforcement.

      YES,they’ll do it because it’s their JOB and they need the check to feed their family. Sure there’s going to be a few that say “we can’t do this, it’s wrong”, but they’ll be short in numbers. WE THE PEOPLE have let government and municipalities con us into believing “crime is out of control”. “WE MUST build adequate police forces to combat it”. Yeah right! They’ve had the manpower and resources to crush organized crime at every level,(inner city gangs, THE MOBS,) etc…for a long time. There are TV shows about gangs in cities. If the TV crews can find them and go in and video and interview them the police sure as hell know who and where they are. What I’m saying is, the real reason we’ve built large, militarized police forces is to control the masses. WHY? For what reason? They will do as told and if that is the use of deadly force against the fed-up, general public, the masses if you will…it will be.

      I know I got off subject a wee bit and rambled on but it needs said. I’m ex-military,(Marines) and have seen this coming for a long time now. I’m not anti-police. I know we need them and I’d hate to see what it would be like without them,(in proper numbers), but they’re being manipulated and misused.

      If anyone doubts this, well…we will see. And I PRAY I’m wrong!

      • Dan az

        Want further confirmation? OK. In the “Other provisions:” section it talks about, “the Secretary of Treasury”, which is an officer of the corporation only. That position does not exist in the national government. The relatively equivalent position in national government is, “the Treasurer of the United States of America”.

        As a matter of fact when you review the whole document, Title 22 ¤ 286, and the underlying “Bretton Woods Agreement”, you’ll find these elements.

        One: Congress of the United States of America passes the Bretton Woods Agreement and statutizes a portion of it as Title 22 ¤ 286.

        Two: In the agreement, Congress Grants to the IMF the “United States Treasury” as, “The individual drawing account” for the IMF.

        Three: “The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint a governor of the Fund who shall serve as a governor of the Bank” USC 22 ¤ 286a.

        The person the President chose as Governor of the Bank and IMF is the Secretary of the Treasury. The elements of a Quit Claim Deed are: there must be a Grantor, a Grantee, and assets or rights granted. In this case we have a Corporation known as, “THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT”, trademark names, United States, US, USA, America, etc. Its assets are its Treasury (The United States Treasury), and its purpose is to carry out the business needs of the national government of United States of America. The owner of said Corporation was the United States of America, the nation.

        The Treasury of the corporation was Granted by Grantor, the government of the United States of America (Congress and the President) to the Grantee, the IMF. Therefore USC Title 22 ¤ 286 is a Quit Claim Deed of the Corporation known as, “THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT”, from The United States of America and to the IMF which is owned and controlled by the United Nations.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    I too_ thought as many Americans did/do up until a few years ago that we could go to the polls and vote for a representative government. But Just like Bob, I too think a vote that counts is long gone. The only one that wins at the polls today are the vote counters. That being said, If we the people wail too much, the elites will adjust the vote count, and make it seem as though, we have a voice_for a while.
    Government has not always been about the powers that be, or money. George Washington turned down the allotted money for his services in office. Although he could have used the money for survival, he persevered without it. Not all those that served as representatives could afford to do this. For the most part, GW as well as other men of the day felt, that too much money paid out to represent the people, would attract undesirables rather than real men of conviction. Hence the saying_Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely! Sadly alot of great men, are not good men of conviction. While we all have good side and bad in our own personalities, Whats even more sad, that bad behavior today in politics is more widely accepted, than good behavior is rewarded or encouraged.

    • Mick


      I totally agree with you but I see that the problem goes even deeper then that,the bad behavior in politics is enhanced by the bad behavior of our society.
      A hand shake between neighbors and friends was good enough in the past but with our society’s mentality in the present days, good luck .
      I think that we are all a bit responsible for the debacle plaguing our country,corruption has taken over just about everything and everyone just on different levels..when discipline disappear so do scruples……

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Mick Agreed, Hence this phrase comes into play_”Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
        John Adams”__Morality is toast, it seems the more corrupt & perverted things become the more its accepted. Evrery thing is becoming the reverse, it used to be we’d encourage good behavior and character. Now its acceptable to be anything and practically do anything without accountability.
        We walked away from God, and thought our human plan was better. When we insist that God be taken out of every aspect of our lives, eventually he’ll listen. Were paying the price.

        • Mick


          You got it…..
          As for the votes no longer counting,you’re right on target again…
          One thing that bugs me everytime I go to the polls is these Non- partisan offices and trying to find out where the contenders really stand on issues is worse than puuling teeth.
          They can say there non partisan all day long but they still have their own ideas toward where they lean.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Mick sadly the bottom line seems to be anymore, that representation today amounts to prestige, notoriety and money, not to be in the service of the office for the people or America. Its a “pay to play” shake down. You give me what I want (elites), we’ll leave you alone, you don’t play by the rules you’ll pay. They remind me a bunch of school yard bullies, bullying a kid into giving up they’re lunch. Only its capital cronism!

        • June

          I agree with you. We have as a whole in America turned away from GOD. GOD has not left us we have left HIM, in that we no longer allow prayer in public places;Taken Under GOD out of our Pledge of Allegiance; can no longer discipline our children without going to jail or prison for child abuse. There is a vast difference in discipline and child abuse. We are losing our GOD given rights under our constituion which says “”WE THE PEOPLE””. OUR CONGRESSPEOPLE AND SENATORS are to serve and lead us in the constitutional and GODLY way our forefathers meant it to be. WE THE PEOPLE should be better represented by them. Get back to the basic of life like WE THE PEOPLE have to do. They are no better in D.C. than we are to have to live by the basics of life they are enforcing upon us.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Agreed, our representatives should have to follow the same rules imposed on us, no more of this damned going by two set of rules, one for them and one for us!

          • Mick

            Angel and June,,,,,,,,,

            Unfortunatly people such as yourselves are becoming the minority in a hurry which will eventually destroy this country.

            Our so called professionals such as Phsycologists, professors, lawyers and judges etc,,,,etc,,, have done an awful disservice to our nation, they have directed the path for officials to take about making our laws with their so called reasearchs and statitistics, and frankly, it stinks to high heaven.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            When our immigrant ancestors first came here, they wanted mere freedom and a chance. They wanted to be Free to raise they’re families and build a life, or a business. Although our ancestors, brought with them new language and customs They “melted in” and became Americans first while retaining they’re original ancestry within the confines of heart and home!_They didn’t push they’re former way of life on us.
            Today’s “Legal” immigrants,and special interests, those who choose alternative lifestyles, have the exact same rights as every other American past and present,_to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness__problem is if they aren’t immediately successful,or it isn’t leagl, they feel they’re entitled anyway.
            Lobbists and Votes are used as ammo, to further agendas_ and the will of the majority of the people for the greater good are ignored. And God has been taken out of consul.
            I don’t care what Liberal or Conservative atheists posts back to me, Our Founding was Judeo Christian_period.
            We can live as an American melting pot, but not change the foundation on which America was created. You want to be American then be AMERICAN, adhere to its customs and rules. Too many in the White House are ever ready, to side with anyone, who’ll promise votes and money. Its just plain corruption at its finest.
            Electing the same PEOPLE over and over again and expecting a different result, is an absolute WASTE OF TIME, but I don’t know if they’re ever be enough “good Blood” in Washington at one time, to ever make a difference.
            I don’t hate Government, I hate what its come to represent.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We have spiralled downhill in the mess, from kicking God out of everything, and from not listening to Him, as he told us to place Godly men in our government positions. We havent listened.

        • Tazio2013

          “Angel” Wannabe,

          The irrational belief in god is a large part of the problem, not the solution.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Really taz??__Your unbelief is your problem, not mine Taz!_ God can’t change History, but MEN can, and have. You were taught and caught up in that and refuse to look back to the original intent!_America was built and blood was shed by Christians, so you can decry, or denounce it. Just because you don’t believe in God, doesn’t change the History of it?!__We know that, it is you that doesn’t!__There are too many original documents left and those of us who know the truth. I hope Those of you who believe in the human plan are proud of yourselves, America is falling apart from within, B/C of the likes of you God wanna-bes!_BTW_When you can walk on water, come back and we’ll talk! :)

          • Steve

            All historical writings from our forefathers say differently.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Steve, Your a revisionist theoryist, which means every book ya pick up & read, ya must think its ALL the truth!__ go back and read before the 50′s! And read some reputable authors on History.

            BTW__If your determined to THINK DIFFERENTLY about the past and the original intent of the Founders, one ALWAYS spends alot of time trying to prove they’re own theory, don’t they??_-it doesn’t work with me—-but have a great day! :)

          • Dan az

            Hey Angel
            ccording to national foundational law (King James version of the Bible), God created man(kind) in his own image and gave man agency (free will), to act in accord with his own conscience. At the end of the revolutionary war, King George of England and the Pope recognized that the people of this nation were individually sovereign in accord with that God given inherent right to the agency of man. Nothing has changed that nature of mankind to this day. That’s who you are, a sovereign child of God, with the offering of an eternal covenant that if you will multiply replenish and subdue the earth for the purpose of building up God’s Kingdom on this earth and remain not of this world, He will grant you your inheritance.

          • kate8

            Tazio – You can believe as you choose. But why do you want to impose your unbelief on the rest of us?

            That’s the problem with people who think like you, on ANY issue. It’s not enough that you have the right to your own opinion. You want to take away our right to think differently, even though people like you are the minority.

            What’s up with that?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are so gravely mistaken sir. It is simply because we have not obeyed God, and appointed men who follow Him to represent us. And look where that has gotten us sir. You follow satan if you please, me, Ill follow God.

        • JR

          The talk lately is of civil debate. Yet the finger pointing continues. I think Angel and others are on point. Is it too late? God knows. We can only pray and do what we are morally responsible to do in our own sphere of influence. This is where I felt like we were 5 years ago when I woke up on New Years 2006 and as I thought about my own home town.

          If But Ten

          Woe to those who call good evil and evil good!
          Woe to the city that revels in iniquity!
          I will soon judge the earth as I said I would!
          Lord, what if there remains a righteous fifty?

          Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine!
          Woe to those slaying infants being born alive!
          O God! We are guilty, we have crossed the line!
          But perhaps there remain a godly forty-five?

          Woe to those who worship themselves as God!
          I will humble the haughty as I have vowed!
          Lord of glory, call not our city Ichabod!
          What if forty to humanism have not bowed?

          Woe to those who strive with the One who has formed them!
          Woe to those priest whose garments have become dirty!
          Woe to us Jehovah, for eyes have grown dim!
          Would You stay your hand for a repentant thirty?

          Woe to the bloody city, full of lies and plunder!
          Woe to those who complain in the land of plenty!
          LORD, we feel the weight of the judgment we’re under!
          But would You extend mercy for an humble twenty?

          Woe to the willingly ignorant who seal up history!
          Woe to the cynics who ignore their own sin!
          Woe to us, we lay in our own blood and misery!
          Yet would You spare the perishing for a righteous ten?

          May YAHWEH have mercy, the crisis is not political or economical, it is moral/spiritual and can only be turned if we return to our Creator/Redeemer.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Well done JR and this does sum it up!

          • kate8

            JR – Thank you for that.

          • Christin

            I am with you on that, too, JR.

            Spiritual Warfare

            “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand AGAINST the WILES OF THE DEVIL. For we are NOT contending AGAINST flesh and blood, BUT AGAINST the PRINCIPALITIES, AGAINST the POWERS, AGAINST the WORLD RULERS of this PRESENT DARKNESS, AGAINST the SPIRITUAL HOSTS OF WICKEDNESS in the heavenly places.”

            Ephesians 6 : 10-12

            Sounds like it was written for us today, doesn’t it?

            Whole Armor of God

            “Therefore take the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, having done all to stand. Stand therefore, having girded your loins with TRUTH [Jesus], and having put on the breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS, and having shod your feet with the equipment of the GOSPEL of PEACE; above all taking the shield of FAITH, with which you can quench all the flaming darts of the evil one. And take the helmet of SALVATION, and the sword of the SPIRIT, which is the WORD OF GOD. PRAY at all times in the spirit…”

            Ephesians 6 : 13-18

      • wayne

        You are right, Nick. I feel the same wasy.

      • JeffH

        Mick, I grew up and still believe in the honesty and honor of my handshake, but when the lawyers got involved the honesty in a handshake went away.

        • TIME

          I can’t tell you how many deals I have done on a simple hand shake, no contracts.
          How Strange as soon as the legal team gets in the action all hell breaks loose.

          “If a man’s word is not his bond, he has nothing of value!” RBRPG

    • rosina

      Agree fully with Bob and also your viewpoint.
      One item I would change is the term for Reps, Make it every four years with a 2term limit. This would eliminate the incessant chase for money and the continuous fight for re-election. Give us all a breathing space.
      Next, I would reinstate the original system of payment-that is-you will be paid for your day ONLY if present. No signing in just to walk out and ‘do your own thing’ For healthcare, SS, etc, whatever the people have the govt. MUST also have.
      And as for principles and morality-a MUST!
      If you do wrong you resign. If it is a punishable offense you will be tried and fined or imprisoned just as any one of us would be.
      When the Constitution was signed, it was understood that men served for the BENEFIT of the country. They would serve a munimum of years and then go back to their farms or work or whatever. It was a DUTY of all honorable men to assist in this endeavour to further the country.
      Which is why, I suspect, that only men and property owners were permitted. They could afford to take time off to serve the country which a working man could not. They were also educated and understood more, which many of the working class did not. how many could read?
      This is my feeling anyway.
      The rubbish now in govt. should be eliminated as soon as possible.
      It is sickening to see people, such as Rangel get away with so much wheeler-dealing.
      If I have a tax problem, I shall plead Geithner’s defense! Ha! Ha!

    • Dan az

      The Elections of the President of the United States of America and its Congress etc. had for many years been completely managed by the Secretary of State’s office. The Secretary of State is purely a Corp. USA position, therefore when the Secretary of State held the election of those officers in 1944 (after the quit claim deed) that election could only have been for the Corp. USA offices due to the conflict in interests created by the corporations new ownership, and those corporate offices, even though they have the same names as the government offices, could no longer sit in a dual role office.

      Separate elections must be held, but they weren’t. They still aren’t. Therefore there was no election of officers of the government of the United States of America. And all of America was none the wiser. The government was still there and the Constitution was still alive and well and living in Washington D. C. but once again** there was nobody sitting in the seats of the officers of government. Just like it was when the founding fathers signed the Constitution but the States had not ratified it, the government existed but nobody’s home. There hasn’t been an Election since, and there won’t be one until America once again wakes up. This is fantastic, I know, but look at the facts! This is the only solution that makes sense. Not only that but there are piles of evidence that prove these facts and conclusions are accurate.

  • Duende

    “the elites will adjust the vote count, and make it seem as though, we have a voice_for a while.”
    Amen Angel WannaBe

    and that goes for both parties…and what happens is that we, the people, end up in dog fights with each other while the elite of the western world (US and other) laugh their asses off at our collective stupidity. That’s what happens when we take the eye off the ball and get into arguing over our favorite elite controlled party. We need to keep our eyes and hearts open to each other and stop bickering over our pet peeves and spend our energy exposing those who control our politics, media (MSNBC to FOX) and economy over and over again until every one gets the message. Else wise we’ll just keep arguing with each other while the few real dissenters are rounded up and silenced.

  • Patriot1776

    The chances of any reforms that will be meaningful coming from the U.S. House or Senate are slim to none. The Congress will continue to forego thier oaths for money, power, and their priveliged status. This is why I am always saying the answer is in the States! We MUST focus our effors at the local and State level. Changing the deck chairs around on the sinking ship that is the Federal Congress will only lead to disapointment. Article five of the Constitution gives the States the power to call an amendment convention where Real Constitutional solutions can be proposed and implimented. But, we MUST put State representative in who actually want to see these types of changes first. We can never accomplish that at a federal level. The game is too rigged at that level. But there is still hope at our State levels. But not as long as we are decieved into believing that the most important elections are at the federal level.
    If we really want to affect REAL change back towards liberty, the only hope is in your State.

    • JRC

      Unfortunately, you are not correct. The corruption is NOT only in federal government but also in states and local government. One can NOT exist without the other. As much as the states enabling corruption in the federal government, the federal government enables corruption in the states….and this trickles down all the way to you local government on all levels. So, if you want to change any of those anchor points of corruptions, you have to change them all at the same time otherwise the beast will just rear its head again…its like a Hydra in ancient sagas whose heads all regrew two fold if you cut one of.
      The only way for this ever to change would be a total collapse of our civilization…about the same way the old USSR collapsed….but even then, corrupt people will try to gain positions in power again and if they do, the Hydras heads will grow again…just as it does right now in Russia.

      • Patriot1776

        Yes, but the local and State governments are CLOSER and if we actually were to get involved in them they would be MUCH easier to keep in line. But we don’t. We only try to be involved in a political process far removed from our lives……Washington D.C.

    • Don

      Patriot1776, i agree with you 100%, you are so right,

    • Dan az

      This started around 1962 and condoned through 1968. The corporation went to the States and pointed out to them that their own Constitutions forbid them from participating in foreign currencies and/or loans, bonds, etc., and yet they were dealing in the foreign note system of Federal Reserve Notes. If the people were aware of this you can imagine them painting a picture similar to that of the Magna Carta signing where the people held a sword to the Kings head and said sign or we’ll get a new king. The king signed, and so did the States.

      One by one, they signed their Corporations over as sub-corps. to Corp. USA. Colorado rewrote Colorado’s Constitution, Revised the Colorado Revised Statutes (CRS), and enacted CRS Title 24 as the “Administrative Organization Act of 1968″ restructuring its laws in 1968. Said Title 24 is the new corporate charter for, “THE STATE OF COLORADO” which is a United States corporation (Corp. USA possession).

      By 1968 all of the individual States had done the same thing. The California Republic, became “THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA”. The Texas Republic became “THE STATE OF TEXAS”. The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, became “THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA”. Each and every state changed the name of their state to “THE STATE OF _______”, by 1968.

    • Jim Cumber

      Unfortunately, an “Article V Constitutional Convention (CON-CON)” would be the WORST NIGHTMARE you could imagine! There is NO PROVISION to LIMIT the Convention to only certain limited issues. So saying, the mess we’d likely wind up with is a COMPLETELY NEW and Communist Constitution, which was actually proposed back in the 1970s by Rexford Tugwell, one of Roosevelt’s old “brain trust” of Marxists, and has been “waiting in the wings” for JUST such an ill-advised “CON-CON” to be called. Our cherished and Divinely Inspired Constitutional Rights would be swept away and the present Administration would get the very Marxist government for which the left-wing has striven for over the last 3/4 of a century! America would be DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, and the only way of reviving it would be for the American People to “load and lock” and fight another, violent, American Revolution in order to restore the US Constitution!

      • Patriot1776

        Your wrong. The fifth article allows States to call for an AMENDMENT convention, to propose and possibly ratify new AMENDMENTS. Not a Constitutional convention for the purpose of a new Constitution. Also, if you noticed, I said we MUST FIRST send the right people to our State and local governments. Besides, America is ALREADY a socialist country, the Constitution is already DEAD,DEAD,DEAD! Are we really afraid of Pelosi types getting in there and passing amendments that will destroy the foundation of our Union? I’ve got news for you that has long since passed. We are NOTHING like the Union our founders left us. Under the Courts FALSE incorporation doctrine, the bill of rights has been perverted and inverted to apply against the States instead of it’s actual purpose…. to tell the Federal Government what it could NOT do to the States or their people. Now the Federal Government tells the States and their people what they can and cannot do byFederal Judges legislating from the bench and “interpreting” it’s own limits according to the Constitution! LOOK IT UP! Don’t think we are already socialist? here is the socialist party platform of 1928. ALL OF WHICH HAS BEEN ACHIEVED EXEPT THE LAST ONE!!!

        “Nationalization of our natural resources, beginning with the coal mines and water sites, particularly at Boulder Dam an Muscle Shoals.” (Boulder Dam, renamed Hoover Damn, and Muscle Shoals are now both federal government projects.) “A publicly owned giant power system under which the federal government shall cooperate with the states and municipalities in the distribution of electrical energy to the people at cost.” (This is a generally accepted process across the country.)

        “National ownership and democratic management of railroads and other means of transportation and communication.” (Railroad passenger service is completely nationalized through Amtrak. Some freight service is nationalized through Conrail. Private railroads are strictly regulated by the Federal Government. The FCC controls communications by telephone, telegraph, radio, and television.) “An adequate national program for flood control, flood relief, reforestation, irrigation, and reclamation.” (Government expenditures for these purposes are currently in the many billions of dollars.)

        “Immediate governmental relief of the unemployed by the extension of all public works and a program of long range planning of public works . . .” (In the 1930s, WPA and PWA were a direct counterpart; now, a wide variety of other programs are.) “All persons thus employed to be engaged at hours and wages fixed by bona-fide labor unions.” (The Davis-Bacon and Walsh-Healey Acts require contractors with government contracts to pay “prevailing wages,” generally interpreted as highest union wages – also the national minimum wage.)

        “Loans to states and municipalities without interest for the purpose of carrying on public works and the taking of such other measures as will lessen widespread misery.” (Federal grants in aid to states and local municipalities currently total tens of billions of dollars a year.)

        “A system of unemployment insurance.” (Part of Social Security system.)
        “The nation-wide extension of public employment agencies in cooperation with city federations of labor.” (U.S. Employment Service and affiliated state employment services administer a network of about 2,500 local employment offices.)

        “A system of health and accident insurance and of old age pensions as well as unemployment insurance.” (Part of Social Security. Full global health insurance proposed widely.)

        “Shortening the workday” and “Securing every worker a rest period of no less than two days in each week.” (Legislated by wages and hours laws that require overtime for more than forty hours of work per week.)

        “Enacting of an adequate federal anti-child labor amendment.” (Not achieved as amendment, but essence incorporated into various legislative acts.)
        “Abolition of the brutal exploitation of convicts under the contract system and substitution of a cooperative organization of industries in penitentiaries and workshops for the benefit of convicts and their dependents.” (Partly achieved, partly not.)

        “Increase taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.” (In 1928, highest personal income tax rate, 25 percent; in 2008, 35 percent, above 40 percent proposed by Obama; in 1928, corporate tax rate, 12 percent; in 2008, 35-39% percent with proposed increases by Obama; in 1928, top federal estate tax rate, 20 percent; in 2008, 48% with proposed increases by Obama.)

        “Appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all land held for speculation.” (Not achieved in this form, but property taxes have risen drastically.)

        Now, if that was the platform in 1928, and has been mostly achieved what other things that you thought weren’t socialist ideas are a part of our everyday lives? Alot!!

  • Clif

    It is time for term limits. I like the suggestions made in this article. I am really not interested in debating or arguing about “the elite.” We must focus on term limits and not allow the discussion to be obfuscated by other issues. Term limits is the future “structure” of politics. Let’s rebuild the house with the structure of term limits. Sound government will follow.

    • Norman F.

      The Constitution deals only with the length of Congressional terms, two for House and six for Senate. It leaves the States with the decision as to the details of the elections. We need for each state to add to their Constitution a provision for term limits. It is strange that I just sent a letter to our local paper suggesting that we limit the House to three terms and the Senate to one. (We have such a law for our State Legislature, and all other elected officials.) Then I went on the Web and read this article and letters. Everybody do what you can in your own state to bring this about.

    • bob wire

      Term limit alone won’t offer the correction we seek. In fact it would do just the opposite, as it would bring the value of any elected official down and make them cheaper to buy. They would become like a Bic lighter, and throw away. Term limits alone would make influence peddling only worse.

      For a knock-out blow to put this devil on it’s back will require a one, two, three punch in quick time. First a head blow and then a heart blow and then one to the stomach. Then the fight will be over. Done!

      You attempt this any other way and you with be fighting this monster to your grave. They are too powerful, we can’t play gentle and win this one.

      • Dan az

        You’re living in a nation where the chosen form of government is a Constitutional Republic, and where, historically, no elections of government officials have been held at least since 1944, and where a private corporation, known as the United States, owned by a foreign power (the International Monetary Fund), is responsible for providing the business needs of the government, which government again is alive and well and living in Washington, D.C.-there just are few officers of government sitting in the seats the Constitution provides, and where the corporation that most people seem to think is government is busy terrorizing the populace and paying for their acts with tax dollars, making all that participate in that program a party to their terrorism.

  • Bob G

    How about each state pays for its own representatives and senators? And each county in each state pays for its local representatives and senators. As long as these crooks can manipulate state and federal finances they will never quit being crooks. Give us the purse strings and lets se if they’ll do our bidding then.

  • Dan

    I agree 100 percent also. I think we should repeal the 14th amendment also. Ever since Woodrow Wilson and the progressive movement passed this into law and it was railroaded through the states, we have slowly lost power to special interests. We have also lost interest in state and local elections. Off year election participation was almost as high as Presidential election years until this amendment was passed. I know the argument was that some states would become deadlocked and go without a Senator for years at times. BIG DEAL, that was the states fault. Since then we have also seen a lot of states governments become democratic and stay that way since there was no longer an interest in those elections. Senators should have a vested interest in their state and not special interests.

    • Norm

      Repeal the 14th amendent?? Are you insane?

      The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868 as one of the Reconstruction Amendments.

      Its Citizenship Clause provides a broad definition of citizenship that overruled the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.

      Its Due Process Clause prohibits state and local governments from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without certain steps being taken to ensure fairness. This clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, as well as to recognize substantive and procedural rights.

      Its Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction. This clause later became the basis for Brown v. Board of Education (1954), the Supreme Court decision which precipitated the dismantling of racial segregation in the United States.

      The amendment also includes a number of clauses dealing with the Confederacy and its officials.

      • DaveH

        Insane? No, Norm, he was offering his opinion. You know that thing that only counts when it comes from Liberals?
        What is wrong with you people? Can you ever just offer your input without adding the Liberal techniques of adolescent manipulation?

        • Norm

          Did you have anything of substance to add?

          • Dan az

            By now, you should know who and where you are. Like the founding fathers, we need to take a stand to regain Independence. Unlike our founding fathers overt enemies, honorably willing to admit who they were, fighting out in the open-ours aren’t. We have exposed the private foreign corporate nature of the United States Government. We have rediscovered our national history. We are working to awaken the people in their sovereignty and helping them to secure their Land by Patent. We have started holding elections again and will soon re-seat our original jurisdiction constitutional government. We will get our nation back, like our founding fathers set it under the Constitution, with all rights secure. Learn how to truly secure your stewardship and your assets, then do it. It is up to us to awaken ourselves and then to awaken our neighbors. If you are of like mind you can help.

          • Dan az

            Like I said before we all need to read the laws and apply them accordingly.Go here and learn what we need to do!

          • DaveH

            I added it. Now why don’t you try acting like a human being?

  • Scott G.

    I agree with the fact that we effectively do not a representative government. However, this began when our country was first started when only property owners could vote. There was no middle class then, and the majority of Americans didn’t own their own houses. To that extent, it was somewhat an elitist group of people running the government for the most part.

    • DaveH

      Quite the contrary, Scott. They were simply exercising good judgement. They knew that responsible voting could only come from people that had skin in the game. I do think they were wrong for excluding women, and for allowing slavery, but they were probably constrained by those states that did have large slaveowner populations, and who would not otherwise have joined the Union. If I were there, I would have insisted on moral purity, and argued to leave those states out of the Union who didn’t respect the Freedom of all men and women.
      Back to responsible voting. How can we expect the 50% of the population who only pay 3% of the total income taxes to vote responsibly? They are easy marks for any politician who wants to use the taxpayers’ money to buy their votes.

  • Norm

    Bob I’m with you on this one.
    It is a sad fact of life that “big money” is the single ruling factor in the US. The very wealthy control all and make very sure that their nests are well feathered and their existence guaranteed ad infinitum.
    They are the untitled royalty and generally have little use and little regard for all others except as sheep to be fleeced.

  • BillboTex

    Great point Patriot1776, but lets be strong enough to work on this problem from both ends. Work hard at the state level, and work hard at the Federal level. There are things we can do at the Federal level that are out of the control of the “politicians”. Vote out incumbents, tax revolts where people send in 10% for income tax and the government will have to live with that (if more than a couple million people do it), make sure your representatives know where we stand (thats why the Tea Parties are the most feared), and we must spread the word.

    • JRC

      You still don’t get it do you, by the time anyone….ANYONE…is available to be voted into a position, they will tell you what YOU WANT TO HEAR….but they’re body and soul already belongs to the special interest and lobbying people who financed them to get to this point.
      Look at was happening right now….it is business as usual…nothing else. All the tea party did was give the same corrupt republicans an easy way in…show me where any original Tea Party, non republican/democrat candidate is in congress…show me…guess what? There is NONE. All that has happen was that the old tired corrupt guard was replaced with fresh blood….unfortunately as we are slowly finding out…gasp….surprise (not) they are just as corrupt.

    • DaveH

      I wish it were that easy. But the fact is that as long as the Government has the Federal Reserve at their side, they would just borrow the money from the Fed and keep on spending.

      • Will-CA

        Your so right. Grab a snake by the tail you’ve got major trouble, cut it’s head off game over for the snake.

  • http://Juno Ken Laws

    I agree with te article and comments from vwers concerning our “so called” elected servants of we the people. Having studied the Scriptures I can say that the is will only change when King Jesus returns to this earth. Majority of people I concerse with are sound asleep as to what is happening and why. The really sad part of their sleepin is that they reject the truth concerning these things, they don’t want to be told the truth. This attitude is not just in political systems but denominational, “so caled houses of God”, Chruches are of the very same mind set and attitudes.

    • June

      Yes JESUS CHRIST is coming again and when HE comes HE will clean house and get rid of all the greed and corruption in this earth we call our home now. We who belong to HIM have our real home with HIM in Heaven. I agree with you Ken.

      • Norm

        Or not!

        • JRC

          More not then yes,
          Superstition is not what should guide the world.
          Religion is the biggest ponzi scheme ever invented.

          • Norm

            If you raise some people’s taxes by 1% they scream and reach for their guns. But they have no problem kicking in 15% of their income to a multi-millionaire preacher. Jet aircraft are expensive!

          • JeffH

            Norm, at least it was their choice to “give”, without the force of Big Government on their back.

          • Dan az

            The reason they cant see whats going on, is they are on their knees bowing to there creator obumbler.I really don’t see the big loss!

      • Duende

        He, the Christ consciousness, will arise within us. Then when we have the heart and mind of god there will be no room for corruption and greed. To make room for this one needs to work on their own pettiness first. Once we are free of or willing to be free of (prayer can help) greed and hate (oops.. lots of that going around on both sides of the debates) then the change can take place. If one is counting on a comic book hero like Christ to come in with gold swords slashing all those our immature minds want to label as bad and saving us from our selves then you’ll be waiting a long time.

        • Teresa

          If you consider Christ a comic book figure than your in for a big surprise!

          • TIME

            I believe Duende was just stating a metaphor, not implying that Christ is a Comic Book Hero.

      • Tazio2013

        June, Ken Laws, et. al.,

        Have you ever considered that the US Congress is filled to the brim with bible thumping, crusading christian zionist jesus freaks and our freedoms and economy continue to spiral down due to the actions of these very same bible thumping, crusading christian zionist jesus freaks?

    • Dr. Mabuse

      Well you’re certainly right about the majority of the people being asleep.

  • Joseph Hunt

    I have been saying this for years. If Congrss had to have Social Security
    then it would have been fixed 30 years ago. How can we get this passed by the crooks in congress?

    • DaveH

      The first problem was the initial assumption by the Federal Government that they had the right to take money from the citizens “for their own good”.
      Imagine that you had a neighbor who for the sake of argument is even a very good financial planner. He comes to you and says “You aren’t planning sufficiently for your future, so I am going to take 15% of your money to plan in your behalf, whether you like it or not”. Would you allow that? I wouldn’t.
      Now imagine that he is a self-interested manipulator.

      • Teresa

        Rep. Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.), the new chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has signaled he will conduct numerous oversight investigations of the Obama Administration. Here are the Top 10 areas ripe for investigation for Issa and other congressional Republicans:

        (1) ObamaCare:
        (2) Stimulus:
        (3) Freddie and Fannie:
        (4) Wikileaks:
        (5) Climate science:
        (6) ACORN:
        (7) Oil spill response:
        (8) Justice Department:
        (9) Czars:
        (10) Obama’s presidential eligibility:

        • JRC

          Tell me, who will oversee the corrupt overseers?

        • Dr. Mabuse

          Don’t leave out the DOD. In fact, bump it up to #1.

          • TIME

            Your oh so right, most in the USA don’t even know we are still missing Trillions and Trillions of dollars that all seemed to just fall off the face of the earth under the DOD watch.
            How strange is that We know that it was 3.9 Trillion missing in September 2001. Then keeping in mind as well that we are now at $14.5 Trillion in debt, just how much of that went the way of DOD? Do the math people don’t take my word, look into it if you can take the TRUTH.

            And who’s in control of our the DOD, could it be that nice French Banker family who controls our Fed? No, thats not possible is it?

            Folks just look into 3/09 Kentucky, 4/09 Tenn,
            or 9/24/09 Pittsburg PA, G 20 and thats just a few points if you really look into it, your guts will knot up for weeks on end.
            THE DOD is not YOUR Friend people, ((( please wake up.)))

            Also look into “alledged closed Military base’s in the US,” then ask why they have ramped up security if they are closed?

            Don’t just take my word ~ YOU check it out get your own read on it.

          • DaveH

            DOD, DOE and DOE, DEA, DOA, DHS, CIA, …….

        • JeffH

          Teresa, I personally think Issa is one of the few good guys and am looking forward to see how much weight he cariies…watch him closely and see what happens, they’ll fight him tooth and nail to stop him. Possibly look for a scandal to be produced to stop his “witch hunt”.

          • Teresa

            Same is being done w/King trying to expose the political correctness behind the extreme muslims connections.

        • Dan az

          Now that’s a agenda I would be willing to get behind!!!!

  • Judy Peterson

    The only way to enact these changes is if they are done by the people themselves through some type of referendum. Letting Congress restrain itself is as ridiculous as letting a fox guard the hen house! We must take charge of this ourselves or it will not happen!

    When the brave lady stood up during the reading of the Constitution and shouted “Except Obama,” she was reprimanded and arrested and others were warned: “You are guests in OUR house.” I wish I had been there. I would have stood and shouted, “No, Sir! YOU are guests in OUR house!” It’s well past time we started demanding that these arrogant narcissists were put back in their place. THEY work for US!

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      At’s what I’m sayim Judy!__You tell it Girl!

    • Norm

      Judy Peterson
      That “brave Lady” was a mental midget who still believes that Obama is not a US citizen. Mentally ill people should be screened before being allowed on government property.

      • Richard

        Norm: So, now anyone who stands-up against tyranny and speaks-out against the tyrannists is a “mental midget”?? HOLY CRAP! We know the mind set of liberals is despicable, and it is being demonstrated vividly since the Tucson massacre.—Judy has it right!

        Our only hope for getting Congress under control is the Tea Party Movement.

        • sylviam

          How many of you get numerous e-mails from DEMS. and REPUBS for contributions, some just keep on asking and the amounts keep getting larger and larger? Each one is only wanting MORE MONEY. It is to make it possible to win over the other one. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and MORE is all they want—- then it comes down to time to VOTE—– then its all about the VOTE. ALL THEY WANT IS MONEY BECAUSE ELECTIONS ARE ONLY THAT—- ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
          How can we trust the POLITITIONS when it is all about the MONEY. Not the law not about Honor, Morals, or any thing that is important but we keep VOTING the silver tounged DEVILS in, because WE still believe in OUR COUNTRY. GOD HELP us, we need it don’t you think? GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • Michael J.

        That brave lady is one amongst millions of every day Americans who question Obama’s eligibility.

        • Dick Gazinia

          I agree with most of what is said here, but as to Obama’s citizenship: His mother was an American, It doesn’t matter where he was born, he’s an American. Get over it and move on to more important issues.

          • debalazo

            “Dick Gazinia says:
            …but as to Obama’s citizenship: His mother was an American, It doesn’t matter where he was born, he’s an American. Get over it and move on to more important issues.”

            Slowly, Gazinia, so you don’t choke. His mother IS an American jew. Still alive, working for Ford Motor Co in NY. Her SS is still active.

            When Obongo was born, her mother was only 18 and the law then didn’t allow citizenship to be tranferred from a youth, since she got pregnant by somebody else (FMD) at age 17 (rape, under many jurisdictions), and fondled as ‘Annie’ since age 13. Read Obongo’s “Dreams of my (real) Father”.

            Instead, his ‘father’ Obama, a Kenyan under British flag, even if residing in Hawaii as student, couldn’t also transfer… American citizenship?? Nonsense! Only Obamabots can cheer on this fallacy.

            But the real problem on Obongo’s case, he was born in Kenya, and his attached grandmother so testified, his borrowed Obama ‘family’, and that settles it, except to Obamabots.

            Then Obongo, abandoned by contract father Obama, was captured by Indonesian step-father, and sent to school as Indonesian. So Obongo must be, at best, Indonesian Soetoro, as there are NO US Naturalization papers available, besides everything else being under lock.

            But even if jew mother was American and could tranfer nationality to Obongo, the fact that BOTH parents were not Americans, never mind he was not spawned in American soil, he still CANNNOT be “Natural Born” to qualify for the presidencey of the US, as it requires BOTH parents to be Americans! For “NATURAL BORN”. Get the picture, Gazinia?

            Worse, he has lied, perjured himself ever since he served as Senator for Illinois, an inelegible candidate, usurping a State post. Now, worse. The highest government post. Liar, Perjurer, Swindler, Usurper, and a subversive for Zion.

            That’s why most of his appointees are dual-passport, israel-first collaborators, if not actually string-pullers. And there he stands, your beloved Obongo. You voted for him, you put him in a niche. According to Dr. Manning and the 17 charges against Obbie, puts him in a most dreary stand, constitutionally speaking.

            This issue is not dead, by any means.

      • Teresa

        Norm, it is every person that is seated in congress AND our President that needs to be screened for mental disorder before serving as OUR representitive! They should be drug screened as well! What makes you or others think they are above the law??? THEY WORK FOR US REMEMBER!

      • DaveH

        Government Property? I think not. Judy was right. It is our property.

      • DaveH

        The “mental midgets” in this country are the ones who think that they win a debate with name-calling, ridicule, condescension, and other childish manipulative techniques.

        • Norm

          Now there you go again…

          • Dan az

            Normy Grow up!

      • Grinch

        Norm-how typical. And when I say typical, I mean it. The liberal mindset is clearly a disease. Look at how the liberals have tried to tie the Tuscon shooting to rhetoric from the right! Um, huh?

        Big mistake. Even a blind monkey wouldn’t fall for that and the American people are not amused. For instance, my mother is a lifelong liberal-straight hippie 60s child who has never not voted for a democrat. Oh, and she is a teacher and has been generally brainwashed for 30 years by the Union. Well, she looked at me at dinner the other night and was clearly embarrassed when we discussed the Tuscon shooting. She was shaking her head and told me she now “clearly realizes what is going with her party.”

        I think the Tuscon shootings will be the turning point for the Progressives. They assume that all Americans are dumb sheep and they went way too far this time-watch.

        • Dick Gazinia

          How about that shameless article that appeared here a while back that linked the shooting to “liberal hate speech”? It was an embarrassment to all honest conservatives. That manipulation of truth would have made Stalin’s or the Third Reich’s propaganda machines proud.

          The shooter was insane. That’s all.

          Let’s keep it honest.

          • 45caliber

            And he is/was a liberal.

          • debalazo

            “Dick Gazinia says:
            The shooter was insane. That’s all.”

            Strange. All Liverrule Mess Media is screaming it was the Right whodunnit. But strangely though, his family and himself, all jews, were liberals and most likely Demonics, as most of the attending victims were.

            Worse. The local apathetic, irresponsible, and bemoaning Sheriff, is also a Demonic. And he, more than anyone else, allowed this insane criminal to obtain a gun against all moral and legal issues, while now he uses the opportunity to bash the Right.

            Ever hear of the CIA’s MK Ultra drones? The Manchurian Candidates who on a trigger word become reckless but specific assassins? Mentally diseased indeed, but still under drug-hypnotic control by worse criminals in goverment. Google it.

      • 45caliber


        If mentally ill people weren’t allowed on government property, about 90% of our Congress and several others in Washington would have to be dismissed and sent home. And others, like you, could never be allowed to so. After all, at least one psychologist has already declared that liberalism is a mental disease since they tend to live in a dream world.

      • debalazo

        “Norm says:
        That “brave Lady” was a mental midget who still believes that Obama is not a US citizen. Mentally ill people should be screened before being allowed on government property.”

        No offense, but since Obongo cannot prove his HI citizenship because he doesn’t have it, and therefore you cannot either, where does that place your own mental condition? Never mind Obongo’s.

        Besides, ALL ‘gov prop’ IS owned by The People! Did you go to school in America, or are you writing from ‘somewhere’ near Dimona?

        Cos if you were born American you should know from early school that that Teresa Cao is a US Sovereign citizen and Natural Born eligible to the US Presidency, unlike Obongo, an illegal alien from Kenya originally, and an Indonesian citizen since childhood.

    • June

      AMEN; AMEN; I agree with you. The White hHouse in D.C belong to WE THE PEOPLE. They are to serve us.

      • Patriot1776

        Yes, however they do not serve us or represent us. We are NOT their constitutants, the lobbyists who write the check for their campaigns are their true constitutants….. thats the sad truth!

    • Mick

      BRAVO Judy…………..

    • wayne


  • maxi

    I think most of us could go for the proposal. I think terms are needed. their salary needs to be controlled and the retirement issue is a good one. Most American are still pissed at the fact that they took the COLA- Cost of Living Adjustment from Seniors then voted themselves a 5 thousand dollar raise. Cute!. I got a letter in the mail that stated due to no increase in the cost of living noted The cost of living is not granted for this year.! Ha – what planet are they from. Everything is constantly going up.

    • rosina

      I did not get that letter. But discovered only now that my SS> for which I have paid so many years will be the same FOR THE THIRD YEAR! AND THOSE BUMS VOTE THEMSELVES A RAISE???????

      • wayne

        We need to vote those bums out whoever was responsible for cutting the seniors SS raises. I’ll bet they are still providing aid to a lot of other countries at the same time. Lets pay atention to what our respectives are doing between now and 2012. Most of us Conservatives already knows that Obama has to go if we want to restore our Christian values, and integrity back into our country.

      • Teresa

        did you ever consider that the reason you have a SS# is because you are considered property of the US??? You work for the Government of the US….that is what we are considered to them, nothing more….do your own homework if you do not believe me.

        • Alphadog

          So true Teresa! We are sold commodity at birth(hence the soc serc #) Evil from the get go.Big Govt has to go and its foreign puppeteers.The states need to secede from the Union and form their Govt from the original constitution founded by our founding fathers.Smaller Govt=More accountability.

        • 45caliber

          Someone told me at one time that there are three forms to the marriage license. If you sign any of the three, you fall under the laws governing all of them. And one of the forms is called a long form. It basically states that you, as an American taxpayer, gives up the right to your children the moment they are born to the government as payment for your dues owed to the government. And therefore all children are basically slaves of the government. The only people who are NOT legal slaves are those whose parents never bothered to get married legally.

          I’ve never had the interest to find out for sure since the government feels that it owns us anyway.

      • DaveH

        And you should be, Rosina. Governments around the country are looking out for themselves while the rest of the citizens suffer. People need to become aware that Politicians are there for themselves, not us.

    • 45caliber

      maxi: (and others below)

      Congress does not vote themselves a pay raise. They set their pay as based on the pay of a federal judge. When the judges’ pay goes up so does their pay. And you can bet the judges’ pay will go up. Instead of voting to get a pay raise, they have to vote to NOT get a pay raise.

      This is done so they can honestly say, “Why, I didn’t vote to raise my pay! It is wrong to accuse me of it!”

  • Ken

    Term limits. No more amnesty for illegals who break our state budgets, and Western Union $3B every month out of the U.S. economy and pay little to nothing into the Social Security treasury that floats all their education and ER bills at the expense of true American tax payers…Repeal ALL state and federal unionized contracts and retirement pay pensions that are NOT in line with a retired U.S. Soldier who retires at pay grade E7. The union member pensions are a BIG part of the collapsing economy and are NOT sustainable nor were they ever realistic. Folks like Gov. Christy are needed in every state if America will survive…

    • Karen


  • Evie

    I agree with this article 100%, especially with the idea that Congressmen DO NOT retain their income after they serve office, and they too should participate in the SS as well as their income taxed with SS. They also took the $”s that were put into the Trust Fund of SS and put it back in the General Fund, used it, and now there isn’t any $’s in SS, and they talk of reforming SS – There also wasn’t any Bill saying when the government would pay back SS Trust fund, so no wonder it has problems! SS recipients have gotten “screwed” for the past few years as COL’s are based incorrectly and yet COL has gone up! Everyone else is receiving raises, except SS, that’s due to Congress’ spending/approving on many Ear Marks, I thought there weren’t supposed to be ANY Earmarks passed. If Ear marks were totally cut out of the budget and I have heard some of the stupid things $’s have been allocated for, our country possibly would have some $’s and put the $’s where they belong rebuilding America! No, there isn’t any Middle Class any longer – there are the Congress/Politicians, the welthy, and then there are the American people, most of whom are trying to find jobs, retain their job, or just trying to survive! As for Politicians salaries, instead of having the authority to vote themself a raise, I think it should be a vote of the people, rather than them being able to vote themself a raise – where are the checks and balances on this? That is not a democratic government! So, I guess we should tell our children to all try to become Senators or Reps to get a decent paying job that doesn’t lay off anyone!! How can we have our voices heard to insist that they follow these rules that you discuss, Bob? No one listens when it comes to controlling them!!

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Evie,_”where are the checks and balances?” They’re all in bed together._ Dems and Repubs alike. You scratch my back & I’ll scratch yours, that way they keep each others azz outta trouble!__If there is any good folks in there, it never seems to be enough good, to make any real difference.

  • John Denvir


    • Norm

      John Denvir

    • Dan az

      John Denvir: Just ignore norm that was his last brain cell expiring.He will just fade off into his drooll and his nurse will come for him soon.

  • Gerard H Schilling

    Let’s stop talking about it and rather get legislators to sponsor it!

    • JRC

      Don’t hold your breath, you will die of very old age and still will have not found anyone that will not give you lip service until elected and then the middle finger after that….they will NOT shorten them self…. doing that goes against human nature and human greed. It would be like you having a million dollar job and someone would propose to you to accept a job without future(term limits), without any perks, without any health insurance a job where you have to be away from home, have to put up with all the abuse from people and btw get paid a lot less then what you could make in a private practice or on the board of a corporation and on top of that you would be expected to cut all those left over “”benefits”” even more.
      Would you do it? And don’t be hasty, think about it…would you really do it. And that in essence is what people here want the future of our representatives to be….again, would you do it?

      • DaveH

        Of course there would be people who would do it. We would start with a reasonable pay level (set by the electorate), and see what happens. If not enough good people applied for the job, then the citizens could raise the pay until we did reach that level. By the way, even with all the power and perks they currently enjoy, we still aren’t getting good people in the political offices. That is a problem that can only be solved by a wise electorate (I know, I’m dreaming).

        • JRC

          There is only one fallacy to what you are saying, the electorate has NO power to do any of this. What you propose can only be done if we all start totally from scratch….after a collapse. There are currently NO handles in place to archive your vision….there is not even a provision in place to give the electorate this power. And as long as we elect the people that are already pre-approved by the power brokers we will get nowhere.
          The only chance we have is if the people would all do a write in vote and vote for a person NOT supported by any media or power brokers. and you know how slim this chance really is.

    • 45caliber

      You might get Ron Paul to sponsor it but you won’t get many others to go along with it or vote for it.

  • Norm

    Money talks and s**t walks!

    The gap between the rich and poor in the United States grew at the same pace as the economic growth. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent.

    Since the 1990s, 40 percent of the increased wealth went into the pockets of the rich minority, while only 1 percent went to the poor majority.

    From 1977 to 1999, the after-tax income of the richest 20 percent of American families increased by 43 percent, while that of the poorest 20 percent decreased 9 percent, allowing for inflation. The actual income of those living on the lowest salaries was even less than 30 years ago.

    • Bolsterde

      Norm: I think that most of the land in America is owned by the federal and state governments.

      • DaveH

        According to this report, the Federal Government owns about 30% of the land in the United States:

        • JRC

          Dave, you are wrong.
          Just as in old times the emperors, kings and barons owned 100% of all property within they’re realm so in today’s world the federal and state government own any and all physical property within they’re realm.
          Don’t believe me? Consider this, dDrive without a “license” on any public road and see what will happen, build a structure without a “permit” and see what happen, go hunting or fishing without a “”license”” and see what will happen , Use “”public”” transportation without a “”ticket”” and see what happens…and try not to pay the rent..erm..taxes on “”your”” property and see what will happen.

          Just as in old times, all property belongs to the government you as a individual only rent it from them, the only property the masters lost are the people. In today’s world, people (most people) are free to leave and try they’re luck somewhere else. And even then, try to leave with any property above the pittance the government lets you have and you end up in jail. Our forefathers exchanged one corrupt feudal system that was on the verge of collapse for another only this time they learned from the past and produced the “illusion”” that the people are “”free””. Fortunately, people are finally waking up and finding out…gasp…we really are not free…its all just make believe.

          • Teresa

            TY, you got it too…

          • 45caliber


            Try not paying property taxes on your land and see what happens! The fact that they can charge you property tax and take your possessions if you don’t pay the tax means that you are renting it from the government.

          • Dan az

            In America today people think they own their land, but unless they have the Land Patent on the land they do not own it. Most people today obtain “Real Estate” by contract and then on fulfillment of the contract they transfer control of land by “Warranty Deed”.

            The “Warranty Deed” is merely a “color of title”. Color of Title means: “That which is a semblance or appearance of title, but not title in fact or in law.” Howth v. Farrar, C.C.A. Tex.; 94 F.2d 654, 658; McCoy v. Lowrie, 42 Wash. 2d 24, Black’s Law Sixth Ed.

            The Warranty Deed cannot stand against the Land Patent. “A grant of land (Land Patent) is a public law standing on the statue books of the State, and is notice to every subsequent purchaser under any conflicting sale made afterward.” Wineman v. Gastrell, 53 FED 697 , 2 U.S. App. 581

            The Land Patent is permanent and cannot be changed by the government after its issuance. “Where the United States has parted with title by a patent legally issued and upon surveys made by itself and approved by the proper department, the title so granted cannot be impaired by any subsequent survey made by the government for its own purposes.” Cage v. Danks, 13 La.Ann 128

      • DaveH

        Interesting article on that subject:

    • eddie47d

      Norm; 96% of all land in Mexico was once owned and controlled by a handful of wealthy. The rest was owned by the government and a few lucky individuals. Too much power in the hands of a few make for a permanent disaster and gives little hope to the many.It’s easy to see why they have the problems they do. It sickens me to see our once strong Middle Class sliding backwards. Those in Washington and the wealthy who control them are creating our own disaster.

      • DaveH

        Mexico is in trouble today for the same reason we are heading for trouble. Their economy is over-regulated. Don’t take my word for it; just look at this ranking of Economic Freedom and see where Mexico falls. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows:

  • Flying Eagle

    Mr. Livingston I agree 100% with the reader re a Congressional Reform Act. “We” The People should flood the Speaker of the House and the Senate majority offices writing them with this concern.

    George Washington did not want to be a king, he served his time as President and then retired to become a private citizen. It is about time House and Senate members stop acting as a “nobility” and corrupting themselves and the office they represent.

    They should follow the example of the Founding Fathers.

    • wayne

      Flying Eagle, a lot of folks agrees with your sentiment. We need to figure out a way to get the masses behind us to get this done. The $64,000 question is, how do we get all these folks on te same page so we can accomplish ghis? It could be done if all the folks gets behind each other.

      • wayne

        Maybe wee need some one to start a website and call it, “We The People” and let it be known to all the folks in the country. I’ll guarantee you if we would start voting out our representative every two terms they would eventually start changing.

        • Teresa

          AMEN…..Dan az gave me a good site to look at…..

          • Dan az

            Thanks Teresa
            I can only hope that more here will read it.

      • DaveH

        The most effective approach would be to educate them to the reality that they also will suffer as Government takes over more of our lives. It’s too bad that morality isn’t enough to sway them.
        But the truth is that money talks, and the only way to secure their votes is to make them realize their future at the hands of Big Government. There are examples around the world of the suffering of citizens at the hands of Big Government. We need to wake our citizens up to that reality. It won’t be easy.

    • 45caliber

      Flying Eagle:

      And that includes Oblama and wife.

      When they first took over the office, Michelle said something along the lines of: “The President is the nearest thing we have to a king. We need to have parties and entertainment in the White House just like a king would have.” On our dollar, of course.

  • offgrid7

    To sum up a bottom line: An unrighteous constituency rarely elects a godly leadership.

  • Richard

    Good ideas, Mr. Livingston! But, just who will force Congress to enact the legislation which will bring-about such change? Congress won’t regulate themselves, we know. I think our only hope at this point is that the Tea Party Movement keeps growing and remains strong.

    • JRC

      And do what? Replace one batch of corrupt people with another batch of corrupt people?
      Read Bobs article again…especially the part where he talks about the biggest achievement of the power brokers….

      The biggest achievement is that they have conditioned people to believe that they’re vote makes a difference.

      By the time you vote in a new batch of people, they are already as corrupt as the old batch. The only people that will be ever available to be voted into any government position are people that are already approved and bought by the power brokers they don’t want you and your ideas and you don’t go anywhere.. It does NOT mater who you vote for,by the time you have the choice, they already all belong to the same master.

      • DaveH

        Well, then, it is futile, so why are you bothering to comment?

        • JRC

          Dave, the more people realize it is not possible to change the current corrupt system with the same corrupt methods the more people will wake up and see that unless there is either a natural collapse or a collapse brought on by the people NOTHING will ever change.
          The realization of this by a majority is the first step needed to correct the problems on hand

          • Teresa

            You guys get it, scream at the top of your lungs….form groups, write your congressmen, demand our sovereignty…demand we get back to the Constitution, learn the law….

      • 45caliber

        The real problem is that you, as a taxpayer and voter, have no say as to who runs for office. That is decided on a local level right after an election closes. They decide who will run and, in many cases, who will win the next election. You can go to their meetings if you like but very few people do. I forgot what they are called but I’m sure someone here knows what they are.

  • SteveB

    Well written article! I’ll bet the majority of Americans have entertained these thoughts many times over!!!

  • Bolsterde

    I have seen this list before and I agree with all but one should be changed. Instead of our lawmakers not being able to vote in their own pay and increases, all federal Senators and House Reps should be paid salaries by their State’s taxpayers (not from the federal general fund) and all pay changes voted on by their home taxpayers! Can you imagine the changes if they REALLY had to answer for their actions to their own voting constituents, only? Also, all lobby money or other bribes become illegal & punishable as any other citizen. One more: their campaign money comes from their home state taxpayers and must be equal amounts just to cover the expense to talk and advertise their agenda’s to their home state/district voters only!

    • DaveH

      Campaign Finance Laws would be better titled Incumbent Entrenchment Laws. It takes lots of money to unseat an Incumbent. Restraining that money greatly favors the Incumbents.

  • Mary Rogers

    I agree with pretty much everything Bob wrote except (1) Members of Congress DO pay into social security (they have since 1983). HOWEVER, since they have provided a separate, extremely generous pension plan for themselves they are not dependent on it as many of the rest of us are. So there “skin in the game” is minimal. Secondly, as I see it, the only way to get back to a government actually “representing” the people is to completely change the way they currently campaign and get elected. All campaign contributions are stopped, completely (NO special interests, NO corporations, NO lobbyists). To start, since NPR is funded by the government, they are exclusively devoted to airing speeches, debates, etc doled out equally to candidates, include C-Span in this mix and the big races will be covered by the media. I am sure there are many more creative options to get the word to the people that are not dependent on “contributions”. As is stands right now, in the majority of elections, whoever has the most money WINS, that is certainly NOT representative government. This is the “fundamental change” we need, along with all the other issues noted by Bob and most of the other comments.

    • Sapphira Sez

      Mary, you’re so right. One other term limit that I would add to the list Bob presented is that the president would be limited to ONE six year term. Then there would be no need for him to spend his first four years campaigning for his second term. He could actually get down to the business of following the Constitution. The only ones who win in an election are the advertisers who make up the annoying tv ads that run for two years before an election. Give us a break!! Campaigning should be limited to the two months before the election. The candidate should have to fund his own campaign. Have you heard that obuma plans to raise $1 billion for his second term race? Last time he got the White House for $600 million. Must be inflation!!

    • DaveH

      Sorry to rain on your parade, Mary, but the fact is that it is very difficult to unseat an Incumbent. The newcomer challengers have little recognition amongst the general voting population, and unfortunately a large portion of voters cast their votes based on recognition rather than platforms or voting records. It costs money and lots of it to get those new candidates and their platforms exposure.
      If you want to make it even more difficult to get those entrenched politicians out of their thrones, then you will vote for Campaign Finance Reform.

      • Mary Rogers

        I do agree with you, Dave…”campaign finance reform” as presented BY the legislators is ridiculous and skewed in their favor. I was basically saying that as long as we have the current system of money wins, we are doomed to same ole, same ole. Even if we do manage to enact term limits, the powers will simply throw their weight and more importantly their MONEY to the person who will “bend their way” and be electable. My point is that the system of electing helps contribute to the preponderance of money grubbing politicos that we have.

  • Ruby

    I love the plan outlined at the end; however, how can this be done? We all know the House and Senate WILL NOT vote for this. How do we make this happen? Do we have to file some sort of class action lawsuit? Is that even possible?

    Apologies for appearing pessimistic, but I really don’t see how this can happen. If they gave themselves those bennies without the need of our approval (as their employers…ha!), what will make them undo all that?

  • Creg Maroney

    I have information on a lawsuit against the NYS Board of Elections.
    Do you have an email that I can forward to you?

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Just Plain John

    I agree, however to believe that the proposed changes could be implimented is akin to believing in the Easter Bunny. HR-25 can’t even make it to the house floor for an up or down vote and it’s been in the House for years. The fox is in charge of the hen house.

  • eric Siverson

    If congress followed the antid descrimination laws we have right now,most of this new law would already be enforce . accept term limits

  • Joyce Clark

    Nice article. I have been with you since 2009 and my personal list of what to do w/Congress is a lot longer than yours. When I receive a call from my party I try to get a few in of the things we want and explain that I and as many others as I influence will not be voting for them if they fail.

    • JeffH

      Joyce Clark, I’m sure many of us would be interested to see your list. If you’d like to share it, feel free to post it.

  • castaway

    I cannot believe you are mostly all talking about fixing this mess with votes. You are beginning to sound like a bunch of school children. We the citizens of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, need to take to the streets in protests, peaceful and nonpeaseful, and finally a full blown revolution, and a well organized take over of Washington. It would not take long, as the liberals do not have the stomach for fighting. Our own Constitution, and Bill of RIghts tells us we must do this for a government system that is not working for us. Once underway, you would be surprised who would get on board and how fast it would grow. VOTING WILL NEVER DO IT! It will take violence and you know you can take that to the bank. Stop kidding your selves, the time is NOW! Take it back, or give it up for ever.

    • Teresa

      That’s what they want castaway, that is how they Would have complete control and take complete rights from us!

    • JRC

      You and Napoleon have one thing in common, you underestimate the will of your enemy to fight…..and look what trouble it got him in.

    • JeffH

      castaway, sometimes I wonder if you are nothing more than a left wing plant…find somewhere else to promote your violence, this ain’t the place for it.

      • 45caliber

        I’ve accused several people (3-4) of being a government plant trying to get someone to start an uprising so they can declare martial law. They are the ones who say something like, “Step up and plan something. Let me know and I’ll be there!”

        All of those has vanished … almost immediately.

        • Dan az

          I agree. All they need is just cause to shut it down.

  • Ed Hrold

    I do agree with most of what Bob says, only one major change. I do not believe the Federal Gov’t should be paying any of Congress. These people were elected to office by the people within a State and should be paid by them. This would save much money within the gov’t as we all know that a large portion of what is sent to the federal is lost along the way. All of congress should be paid by the state they represent and the their expenses should be paid by each state to the federal. This in turn would mean their perks i.e. health ins. retirement or anything else would be controlled by their by the people that put them into office.

    • 45caliber


      I agree. If they do a good job for the state and its people, they can get a pay raise. If they don’t, their pay is lowered (or they are fired). At one time this was done but it was changed because they were too dependent upon the state and the people there. They didn’t want that.

  • aman

    I don’t mean to put a damper on these worthwhile dreams but this kind of change people are proposing here WILL REQUIRE BLOODSHED!!! Another 1776! Here’s the long and short of it. IT’S TOO LATE! When the establishment went to war with God in the 1960′s that marked the beginning of the end. The loss of the moral compass was usurped by Drugs, Porn, Sex, Greediness, TV, Sports, and out doing the Smith’s and Jones.This was in large part planned and enforced by Zionist…That’s right I said it…JEWISH ZIONIST! I’ll give you another example: I now have to do handywork for a living including cutting grass. Now think about that…paying people like me, aka landscapers, because people are too lazy to manage their own yards!

    But the spark that may light the fuse will be the coming WkiLeak report exposing Bunch of Asses…sorry, I meant Bank of America for all their dirty dealings, and another report listing all the rich people who’ve enjoyed off shore banking and perserving their wealth by evading taxes.For this, God Bless Julian Assange. Like John Belushi said ” It ain’t over til we say it’s over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!”

    • rosina


      • aman

        You’re kidding me right Rosina??? Anyway forget it, I’m on a ROLL!

    • Michael J.

      You’re right, it wasn’t over till we nuked Berlin!

      But seriously though, I agree with most of your post except for your praise of Assange. While he is receiving mixed reviews, he is actually a surrogate of the NWO whose mission it is to create chaos which will lead to anarchy.

      • aman

        Thanks Michael J I didn’t know that. But I can’t help but support his exposure of the unethical crooks tearing down this country. If we were a United Country with leadership we could be proud of and support, than I would not support him.

  • Don Ruane


    I agree with you on Term Limits, although I came to the same conclusion in 1993. There is a simple way to have term limits forced on Congress. Yes, Forced.

    It is a sad fact that we no longer read or study the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution in our schools. I have seen a report that stated, “80% of the American people, under 50 years of age, have never read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.” Just think of the BUZZ, the reading of the Constitution, stirred up in 2010, when we witnessed the reading of the Constitution, in the House of Representatives, for the first time ever.

    The American people must be encouraged to read and study the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. If they do not know what they are losing they will give it up without a fight.

    We must encourage the People to FLEX there muscles in the voting booth on November 6 2012 and FIRE ALL IN CONGRESS. Congress is Corrupt by any standard.

    I am developing a combination of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, in bounded letter form, which I intend to have printed and distribute to all class rooms in the USA and to all people who want to read these documents.

    Let all people of Good Will take a positive stance and in there own communities and circles of influence and promote the reading and studying of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
    Instead of giving to Political Parties, take the money and print the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and give the copies to family and friends.

    I am one man and this is what I PLEDGE to accomplish in 2011 and 2012. I ask that you think how you can help.

    • SerfOfObama

      We should enforce these “term limits” by turning seniority upside-down so that one’s juice in INVERSELY related to his/her seniority. Give all chairmanships to incoming freshmen every election and punt the career parasites to the back bench wilderness.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

      Don, Thanks for what you are doing. You might want to know that at Heritage you can buy the Constitution booklets for a quarter a piece if you order 50. I have done this. Good luck! We must stay strong! One person can make a difference!! Too many people give up easily. To Freedom!

      • 45caliber

        You can get a copy of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence from the government as a .pdf file which all computers can read. It is free and can be sent to everyone with an email. I keep a copy on my quickdrive for that purpose.

    • 45caliber

      There USED TO BE a class called Civics that was taught in high school and was mandatory for ALL students to be able to graduate. One semester was about the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. The other was about your rights and responsibilities as a citizen.

      Did you know, for instance, that JURIES are the most powerful form of legislation in the US? A jury can try the law as well as the person on trial. I’ve seen it happen many years ago. Now the people are carefully told what the law says and the judge tells the jury that they MUST follow what the law says for determining the crime and the punishment. WRONG!

      A jury can decide that the law is wrong and therefore the person breaking that law is innocent. Further, if they don’t like the sentence (set by legislators to keep a judge from punishing as he will), a jury can set the punishment to whatever they like. The SCOTUS can declare it void but can seldom do it since the defense lawyer may not appeal.

      For instance, if a jury says a rapist should be executed, the SCOTUS must state that he can’t be executed. BUT … if the jury states that a criminal should be released for time served the authorities must do it if the criminal doesn’t appeal.

      And I’ve seen a guy who murdered his wife get a one day suspended sentence for it. The jury decided she was evil enough that she deserved it. And, after hearing the evidence to that affect, I agree with the sentence. The prosecutor almost had heart failure.

    • Dan az

      Don Ruane
      Thanks we need more like you!

  • M.D.

    This congressional Reform Act idea was first sent to me by a very liberal friend of mine. I find interesting how those on “opposite” ends of the political spectrum are coming together in certain ways as it becomes more and more evident the entire political process is breaking down and must be overhauled…

  • Mary Schiefer

    Why not require each congressman and senator to be paid by the state that elects them? I don’t know what our state has for retirement for elected officials, but no elected official should have a guaranteed pension, it should be a 401(k) or their own savings and investments. They should be paid no more than the avg of the salaries the state officials get and their healthcare should be part of the whatever the state gets.It puts their alegiance back to the state.

    • 45caliber

      I agree.

  • James

    How’s about having the states pay for their salaries. That way the people in each state could vote for what they are willing to pay their congressmen.

  • Erik

    First, repeal the 17th amendment. With senators selected by the state legislatures, they will not have to campaign for election, and the corruption of campaign contributions will go away, we hope.

    Second, select representatives randomly, easily done by computer, perhaps based on Social Security number. Send the selectee, with his/her family, to DC. They could live in military housing on a nearby base and be bussed to work at the Capitol. They would be paid according to their last tax return, so they could pay fixed costs like mortgages,insurance, tuition, and car payments. Again, there would be no need for election campaigns, so anything taken from a lobbyist would be considered a bribe. The House of Representatives would be truly representative, with women, ethnic minorities, farmers, doctors, flat-earthers, scientists, social workers, and others represented in proportion to their population. The breadth of experience would make the House wiser, as compared to the present narcissistic laywer-heavy House. Congressional redistricting would disappear. After their term, the representatives would be returned to their regular residence and given a lapel pin to show they have served.

  • Randall Roberts

    I’ve said it time and time again- the only way to make these changes is to abandon both of the major political parties and vote in acceptable candidates from the several smaller parties. If any of those parties begin to play the same games (accepting large amounts of money from corporate or special interests) it will be much easier to detect. Also with more parties one will always be watched by another and reported on if there are any shenanigans. It will be much easier to keep the government honest. We also need to rid ourselves of the excess of government agencies who are dedicated to keeping the American people ‘in line’ and who spy on, destroy the reputations of, and sometimes even kill American citizens whom they regard as a threat to their continued existence. JFK wanted to dismantle the CIA for a reason, and lord knows the CIA has been caught running drugs more than once. The new Dept of Homeland Security is nothing more than a KGB or a GeheimStaatsPolizei (Gestapo) with a new window dressing and propaganda campaign to make it acceptable to Americans. They’ve already asked Americans to spy on their neighbors- pretty despicable and unnecessary in my eyes. We also need a new system for counting votes that will give it the greatest occassion for providing honest results- and EVERY legitimate vote should be counted- even absentees and overseas military personnel. No more of this ‘ we don’t NEED to count their votes, the election has been decided’ crap. What an outrage!!! I could go on and on citing reforms we need to accomplish. Many were mentioned by others above.
    One last thing- it doesn’t take conservatives to get the reforms accomplished, it takes Americans of ALL political persuasions who recognize that our present system is hugely corrupted and in need of abolition and reformation if it cannot be fixed internally, and we should never again allow outside entities to control our money supply. Proposing it should be regarded as tantamount to treason.

    • Libertarian

      It’s called the Hegelian Dialectic and is the reason for the “two party” system. Both sides are working for the same goal (socialism/fascism, both the same) but we are divided into two camps and pitted against one another for the overall advancement of the single agenda. This is why no third party is ever allowed to succeed and why there is never a party which stands for liberty. The true “political spectrum” is total government on the left and total liberty on the right (anarchy) with the ideal being somewhere in between. What we have is a phony left/right with total government on both ends and liberty nowhere to be found. Until we reject the “Republicrats” completely and vote in true liberty minded people, nothing will change.

      • Dan az

        That was right on!

      • Patriot1776

        Well said!! and this is the game that so many NEVER catch onto!

  • Sam c

    thank you
    term limits are a must
    to save this country
    any one who has held public office
    can not lobby government officials

  • jopa

    Have to agree %100 to the above article.Well written and for anyone to think otherwise needs to have their head examined.Thank You Mr. Livingston

  • Charles R. Olszewski

    Thank you. I have been trying to formulate a solution to this problem for a long time. Your proposal well covers a great deal of the solution. The excision of Progressive “reforms” from the Constitution, especially the 17th Amendment, would be another step in the right direction.

  • dhellew2

    Great idea but there is one huge problem, money ‘paid’ into the social security fund does not actually exist. It is just tax revenue that is moved from one pot to another and is used to pay for those drawing social security at the same time the money is ‘moved’.

    The only money paid into social security (and all government spending including payroll) is from the private sector. Government is an economic destroying overhead expense to the private sector and the economy. Government does not have or earn money.

  • Mick

    Angel Wannabe says:
    January 17, 2011 at 8:59 am
    When our immigrant ancestors first came here, they wanted mere freedom and a chance. They wanted to be Free to raise they’re families and build a life, or a business. Although our ancestors, brought with them new language and customs They “melted in” and became Americans first while retaining they’re original ancestry within the confines of heart and home!_They didn’t push they’re former way of life on us.
    Today’s “Legal” immigrants,and special interests, those who choose alternative lifestyles, have the exact same rights as every other American past and present,_to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness__problem is if they aren’t immediately successful,or it isn’t leagl, they feel they’re entitled anyway.
    Angel……………..You’ve said a mouth full there…

    Many have immigrated to this country to escape the laws of their birth country and for a better life , America has provided this for them so why on earth would they push and be granted the right to change this country to become what they were running from in the first place and why so many Americans refuse to see that it’s what’s happening……….

    • 45caliber

      And many, after they get here, want the same laws and give-away programs of where they came from here too. That includes those from California who left the state because it was ill-run. They come to other states and want the same government and give away programs they had in California, as if those things weren’t what ruined California.

      • Dan az

        Thats a fact!

  • Sam c

    The most powerful,unbeatable country in the world is being
    destroyed within.
    The man from Kenya
    has a lot of help from disloyal (American)wrong word)Polaticians,he can not dismantel this country alone.
    To save AMERICA The new group of conservatives and the loyal polaticians left must unite as one.
    WWII veteran

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Thanks for your service Sam c, my Dad and his 3 brothers served in WWII too.

      • Mick

        Angel Wannabe says:
        January 17, 2011 at 9:25 am
        Thanks for your service Sam c,
        I second that………….

  • DaveH

    Many good suggestions, Bob Livingston.
    However, I would put the Term Limits concept in the same category that you put Congress in — Symbolic.
    Term limits would only be a placebo. Good governance cannot be obtained by limiting the duration of Congressmens’ terms. It can only be achieved by an educated Electorate. We are a long way from that event, but we need to start working hard now to push for private education vouchers to stop the dumbing down of our children in the public school system. And we need to carry on a more intelligent political dialogue with our friends, co-workers, and relatives.
    I think your website, Bob Livingston, is a giant step in that direction. Thank you so much for providing us this opportunity.

    • Sapphira Sez

      Sad to say, most Americans get their education from CNN and other network news that is spun until the original story is unrecognizable. Public school children are not allowed to be taught about the true history of America but have Earth Day and other such tripe drummed into their empty little heads. Schools are out today all across the country because of a rabble-rousing, skirt chasing trouble maker. He is honored with a holiday while George Washington’s & Abe Lincoln’s birthdays are ignored.

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you.

    • Dan az

      Dave I second that.With out this site I would still be avoiding politics.Thanks Bob L not only have you changed my way of thinking but everyone that I come in to contact with also!

  • msCoco

    Dear Mr. Livingston,
    I am relatively new to your website. I appreciate and totally agree with your writing, and have seen these ideas in print and emails before. They are not original to this article. It is very frustrating to see this thrust out to the public without any feasible steps and solutions that will help us solve this problem. PLD has a venue that, I’m sure, gets a lot of attention. Why don’t you put forth a viable plan to follow, instead of just insighting impotent anger?
    I, personally, don’t know what we can do at this late date. I live in CA, which is a state that would never have its legislators voluntarily give up their power and perks…especially after this last election.
    I’m very sad for our country. If someone had the guts to start a petition to take these ideas to a ballot, and public demonstrations, I would be the first to sign it and be part of the crowd.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

      As a fellow CA I am with you. People across the U.S. feel that ALL of California is corrupt! We are NOT! We do have the most corrupt legislative people in Sacramento. We are out-numbered by the corruption of the four big cities,ie, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, and San Diego. They cater to their base the hand-outs welfare recepients, illegal immigrants,etc. FOR VOTES. I am sick how our current governor was elected. Our school system is all but gone. BUT, I won’t give up, as long as I have breathe, I will continue to fight them in my small way! Don’t give up.

    • Dan az

      (it is very frustrating to see this thrust out to the public without any feasible steps and solutions that will help us solve this problem.)
      Thats why we are here.To find solutions and spread the knowledge that you find here.Sure some times we get heated at debate but thats how life works,You learn then apply it and you dont stop until you get results.

  • Mick


    It can only be achieved by an educated Electorate. We are a long way from that event, but we need to start working hard now to push for private education vouchers to stop the dumbing down of our children in the public school system.

    DaveH says: This is A MUST……The public school system are creating little robots, and as far as i know robot cannot think for themselves..
    The terrorists start their off springs very young on how to hate and we start them very young on how to follow the Liberal agenda,( same principal, different results ) that has got to stop or America is done for…………

    • Sapphira Sez

      Mick & Dave, you are both so right. My grandchildren are homeschooled. The eldest decided to go to public school once she was high school age. She came home crying every day because she was not used to wasting time. Every class was interrupted by announcements, disruptive students, teachers unprepared, etc., and the students were sent home with tons of homework so the parents could teach their children. Education does not happen in the public school system these days. BTW, by the time my granddaughter finished high school, she had lost all her drive to excel, which had marked her life until she entered public school. Needless to say, the siblings watched this decline and all declare they never want to go to public school. Good for them!!

      • DaveH

        Sorry to hear that about your grandchild, Sapphira. It is sad indeed.
        I have read studies in the past that indicated most young children were very entreprenurial, but somewhere between adolescence and adulthood most of them lost that entreprenurial drive. I think it could very well be the public schools that sap them of their energy.

      • Carlucci

        The public schools are set up to discourage any kind of independent thinking. Independent thinking and discernment comes from reading all kinds of books and periodicals. When public school teachers and officials come across an intelligent child who likes to read, and ask questions, they will do everything in their power to squelch independence and creativity. This was going on when I was in public school in the sixties and seventies, and I would imagine it is just as bad now or worse.

        My neighbors have always home schooled their three kids. There were occasions when their kids wanted to attend public school because they thought they were missing out on something. All three were miserable and bored after a few months because (1). They were so far ahead of their classmates, and (2). They were straight A students, and hated and ridiculed by their teachers and fellow students BECAUSE they were so far ahead of their classmates. My neighbors were miserable, too, because they were very worried about their kids in that hostile environment. But they wisely stood back and didn’t say much, and let their kids come to the conclusion themselves that going to public school maybe wasn’t such a great idea after all. All three kids came home and continued their studies with home schooling. Needless to say, these kids are very healthy, motivated, and bright. They are also kind and considerate, and have excellent manners.

        I know people personally who work in the public school system, and of course they are brainwashed into thinking that home schooling is terrible, as home schooled kids allegedly “aren’t socialized” properly. What a diaper load.

        • DaveH

          When my son was in fourth grade, a school official called to say he wanted to set up an appointment to send our son to the school psychologist. We asked Why? He said that our son was staying in class during recess and reading instead of socializing with the other kids. So that’s a mental problem these days?

          • 45caliber

            I hope you refused!

            When my oldest son was in kindergarten, about a month after school started, they wanted to test him to see if he should be sent to a “special” class to get help. It turned out that they were testing all kids but had to get permission. I refused. Two weeks after the test, I mentioned it to my son – 5 years old. He said with a lack of interest, “they sent three kids from my class to the baby class.” I was very interested in who called it that. It turned out the teachers did – and the kids who didn’t go were encouraged to call those students who did go babies as a result. I was glad I had said no.

          • Carlucci

            Dave H,

            That does not surprise me about your son. A similar thing happened to me when I was five years old, but the difference was I just wanted to stay inside and play tea party (!!) with all of my dolls because I was a “girly” girl and very shy, unlike my social butterfly/tomboy older sister who was always out and about in the neighborhood playing baseball with the boys. I would have loved to play tea party with her, but she would have none of it, and was never into dolls or tea parties. My kindergarten teacher told my parents I wasn’t “normal” because I was so shy, and I was taken to a psychiatrist. He told my parents that the teacher was nuts and there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with me.

            I was never into sports like my sis, but got very much into ballet, which she hated (and the ballet lessons were originally for her because she was pigeon toed!!)

            Please encourage your son to think for himself and dance to his own drummer. God knows we’ll need more people like that for the future.

          • DaveH

            He’s 38 years old now. And I think very well adjusted.
            To answer 45′s question, I did refuse, but my wife handled the matter afterwards and she never told me what transpired after that.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–With you as his father, I think your son would be very well-adjusted. He is fortunate to have you.

          • http://deleted Claire

            I am happy that I had the common sense to send my kids to Lutheran schools. Even back then, I could sse the difference between my kids and kids that went to public schools.

          • http://deleted Claire


          • DaveH

            Thank you, Claire.

    • DaveH

      Mick, I know you didn’t mean it that way, but you put the DaveH Says in the wrong place. I didn’t say that.

      • Mick

        DaveH says:
        January 17, 2011 at 11:24 am
        Mick, I know you didn’t mean it that way, but you put the DaveH Says in the wrong place. I didn’t say that.

        *********************************************************************DDaveH ,,,,,,,,,,,,So I did !!! Sorry about that, I said it……….

  • dan a

    i can say all of the things in this bill would be good .but still a half measure that would do next to nothing for us. without taking the money out of the election prosess . if this included a set amount of money that could be spent on a campain . outlaw 3rd party election ads and self funding . so that all canidates have just enough funds to present their platform . this would end all the time spent buy congress members raising money and take the profit motive out of writing legislation.we just can’t take back our country without takeing back our elections

    • Ain’t Gona Happen

      Great idea! But, how could the MEDIA offset the billions earned from campaining? Another “ain’t gonna happen:!

    • Dan az

      dan a
      (outlaw 3rd party election ads and self funding .) So you don’t believe in the libertarian party? That would mean that you are a socialist if you think either side cares anything about the constitution or your bill of rights.

  • Ronald Johnston

    I agree with everything in the Congressional Reform Act but the term limits and pay raises Term limits should be one (1) term period for any federal public office. In other words, a person could only serve 1 term and then retire permanently from federal office. This would insure that only truly patriotic and honest people would serve. Pay raises should be voted on by the people, not Congress. The lawyers and lobbyists would disappear, because there would be no graft and corruption with patriotic and honest people serving.

  • Ain’t Gona Happen

    98 percent of the American wealth is in the hands of 1 percent of the people. Hence the golden rule theory; “the man with gold makes the rules”. The people can moan and groan about the injustices but cannot change the situation. One can only hope to become part of the 1 percent.

    • TIME

      Well dude, that 1% or 2% they don’t want you, so you can forget about ever being one of them.

      • 45caliber

        Actually most won’t care one way or the other. If you did join them, they would expect you to have the same motives, etc. that they do and be just like them – and they would probably be right.

        The ones who probably won’t be accepted that well are the movie stars, sports figures, and heirs who gamble, drink, and drug their way through life.

    • DaveH

      According to this article, the richest 20% of Americans own 42% of the wealth:

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        I’ve always heard that senior citizens have or control most of the wealth in this country.

  • JRC

    Many , many ideas and all say the same, sadly though, there is NO real mechanism to implement even one idea without the help of the majority of the people you all want to control.

    Good Luck.

  • Lefty

    There is an establishment that controls money and politics in this country. The establishment that I am referring to are the large corporations, Wall Street, and big banks. Why do you think so much money is spent on getting people elected. The politicians know whch side of the bread has the butter–and they dance to the tune of those with the money–they follow the goldent rule. The golden rule is him that has the gold makes the rules. The top two percent control everything. They control the money and much more. The top two percent in this country are getting repaid for their campaign contributions. There are a few people in the congress like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich who are not owned by these corporate interests. These corporate interests don’t care one iota about you and me.

    • DaveH

      And it doesn’t matter whether the politicians are Republicans or Democrats. The only way to change that condition is to get Government out of the marketplace. Put the power back into the hands of the consumers. The only way that those Corporations can get protection from competition is for Government to give them that protection with competition-stifling regulations.
      For Free Markets, Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, and Limited Government, Vote Libertarian!

  • Richard

    I agree that change is needed. We need to follow the Constitution and return honesty in our dealings and service. In my opinion it all begins in the home this is what God established first and for most. How much am I willing to give up to help our country to get back on track. I must begin with a balanced budget at home. I must be ibcharge of educating my children spiritually and morally. Sin has always been with us and will be with us until Christ returns. I still believe that if I return from my wicked ways and confess my sins and trust in God and pray He will hear me and help me get on the right path. God would do this for our nation too just as He stands ready to do it for all who trust in Him. I must get my heart right. The opportunity is now. I believe God will show us the way if we will turn back to Him.

    I have read most of the replies and am so encouraged that we still have the freedom to share openly and without fear. What a blessing.


  • john

    I would add to that list making all lobbying illegal. And furthermore eliminate contributions to candidates. Create a general fund that all candidates draw in equal from.

  • Larry Carter

    I don,t like to belive in conspiracies but i do believe some are born more worthy than others. In leu of a complete destruction of our government and society, the havenots will always be subject to the will of the halves.

  • Pathfinder

    I think that each of the bulleted items in the proposal should be submitted as a seperate bill. In this way those of us who support some but not all of those items are not forced to support the bad along with the good. In addition, it is already stated in the federalist papers that congress (neither the house nor the senate) may NOT exempt itself from the laws which it passes. Thus; all such statutes are unconstitutional. Under the constitution, Congress IS obliged to live under the same laws which it passes for the rest of us.

  • John Spooner Sr.

    Greetings Bob,

    Here are some details that are being skirted about who owns the Government. My research shows that in 1871 congress passed the Organic Constitution Act. At the behest of the England Banksters the purpose of the Act was to designate collateral for loans congress was requesting to compensate England for the expenses they incurred in the Revolution and the Civil Wars. The collateral designated was the 10 square mile area we know as the District of Columbia.The corporation established by this Act is Known as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INCORPORATED. That was the USA that FDR declared bankrupt in 1933, was foreclosed on in 1938 and quit claimed to the International Monetary Fund that became the central bank for the UN in 1944 when it was established.

    Now as far as the previous Democrat congress and the current Republican congress are concerned, there is no difference in the agenda that has been followed for the last 60 years when Roosevelt was President. There is no difference between the agenda, tactics and objectives of the Dempublic-rat party then there was before they put on the shows for American Voters.

    What we the people can do Constitutionally are practice the 3 B’s. Ballots! get out of the Republican and Democrat Party. They are the corrupting faction of our economy, legislation, judicial and Executives that are elected and appointed to run as candidates and then elect their choices.Voters must select American patriots and statesmen to run our government. Break up the political monopoly.

    B-2 Bucks! No you don’t have to donate or spend Federal Reserve Notes to pay solicitors who claim to be fighting for our unalienable Rights. GET OUT OF DEBT AND STAY OUT OF DEBT.

    B-3 Boycotts Don’t support commercial sponsors who support domestic enemies, especially the media., political Parties that nominate candidates that do not comply with provisions of the Constitution. All members in our Federal Government who are members of the Council on Foreign Relations, Tri-lateral Commission, both being Rockefeller organizations that control national politicians and politics and the Global Bilderberg Cabal that has been influencing our national doom by bankrupting the 50 States, 1341 Counties the thousands of incorporated municipalities, the private sector and individuals.

    In my opinion the first thing that should be done, the 21st Century of the shot heard round the world is to quit addressing Obama as “President!” He is not a Constitutionally eligible person to hold the office of President of the United States of America, the Republic established by the Constitution that was Ordained and Established by our Founding fathers in 1787 and ratified by the Colonies in 1789.NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE NOT THE PRESIDENT.

    Now the two unconstitutional B’s are Bullets and Bombs that will be used if our nation is conquered and Americans are denied their Unalienable Rights by the money changers, dual citizens, or political advocate acts other than defending and protecting the Constitution Ordained and Established by our Founding Fathers.

    Cap’n John

  • http://igoogle PEH

    RIGHT ON! In other words, it is no longer the Democrats vs. the Republicans but the Socialist/Communist agenda vs. the original intended application of the Constitutional Republic.
    One solution is for all U.S. citizens to insist that the Representatives both Federal and State start at the very source of the problem by addressing the possible repealing of the so-called “Federal Reserve Act” (international bankers control of the U.S. economy) and Amendment 16 of the Constitution (graduated income tax) both ratified by Congress in 1913. Karl Marx was the reported author of the graduated income tax in the Communist Manifesto.
    Everything had been said in great detail in “The Unseen Hand” by A. Ralph Epperson, Copyright 1985, Library of Congress Card Number 84-06227. Check it out!

  • EMC

    Our best chance in taking back our freedoms is thru States Rights, the 10th Amendment. Most people are taught that the founders divided our gov’t into 3 separate powers, executive, legislative and judicial. That is incorrect, the fourth, and most important, was States Rights. But States Rights stood in the way of a strong national gov’t, which is what A. Hamilton wanted, the Jeffersonians were against a strong national gov’t. Unfortunately, Lincoln was able to squash States Rights and thus put us on the path to where we are now. The War was not over slavery, it was over power and money, how unusual.

    • DaveH

      Good points, EMC.

  • Lefty

    We have the best politicians that money can buy. The Republicans adhere to serving those with the most $$$$$. They care not for those who have less $$$$$. That is why I can’t vote for Republicans.

    • hundabuxt

      How can you be so ignorant? Both the republicans and democrats are equally corrupt when it comes to the rich and powerful. To perpetuate the steriotypical concept of the republican party as being for the rich is long ago not exclusive to them if it ever was. Don’t drink the Kool Aid pal.

    • DaveH
      • Lefty


        Why are the younger people in this country so nihilistic? My guess they are nihilistic because the social safety nets have been dismantled as a result of Reaganism the past 30 years. The super rich, people like Bill Gates and Warren Burrett know this and know what can happpen to our society if this expansion of a proletariat is allowed to continue. The only way to maintain order in a society where all the money is at the top and the masses are going further and further behind with homelessness, minimum wage jobs that don’t pay enough to live on is to impose a police state. People like Buffett, Gates know this and yes FDR knew this and that is why the social safety nets were put in place in the 1930s. The social safety nets are there more to protect the rich than the poor. Because as always–after the lower 98% finally figure it out–and they will–then they will decide that they are not going to be manipulated by the rich using cultural issues and racism to divide and conquer any more. When the empty stomachs of the 98% of the lower classes finally say I’ve had enough, then as always, the poor will rebel as they did in France during French Revolution and as they did in Russia in 1917. The rich know the best way to keep this from happening is to have social safety nets. That is why FDR had the New Deal and why the Super Rich today back the Democrats. I am for a society where the rich get richer and the poor get enough to have a decent life. I believe that the super rich feel the same way.

        • TIME

          So Lefty,
          I guess thats part of the reasons why Warren $30 billion & Bill $36 Billion for a total of $66 Billion Dollars to Margrets Sangers brain child? To aid in controlling the population, now thats so special.
          Or perhaps it was really only a buy in to the NWO so as to protect their familys well being.

        • DaveH

          Then the people in power must love you. Of course for all I know you are one of them.
          This lady gets it:

          • Dan az

            So Dave when are you going to run for the libertarian ticket?If she could you can.I would vote for ya!

          • DaveH

            Thank you, Dan. I appreciate that. I have health problems though that keep me from engaging in stressful activities.

        • JeffH

          Sounds eerily like socialism to me.

        • Patriot1776

          Society shouldn’t have safety nets! I DON”T WANT TO PAY FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bill Walker

    Term limits? Yes, but longer terms than you suggest. If we want to attract quality people to this job, we must give then the prospect of making a living and justifying moving to DC. Then, what will they do to earn a living for themselves and their families after their service unless we provide a reasonably modest retirement? Strongly limit the amount of money that can be spent on their political campaigns so that an election can not be bought. Require them to live the way we live. YES, to all your other proposals.

    • 45caliber

      I think we should move them into the FOURTH branch of the government that we don’t have.

      We should set up a branch that analyzes each new law or court decision. If it is in conflict with any previous law or decision, it cannot be put into practice before the necessary people act to eliminate that conflict. That could be done by repeal of the original – or by changing the new act to not conflict.

      Over the years there are thousands and thousands of such conflicts. Those are the reason that so many people can get off if they can get a lawyer who finds such a thing. We could put the experienced politicians into such a branch as government employees if they desire a position. And instead of a library full of law books we might even get down to half a dozen volumns again that most of us can understand.

  • Daniel from TN

    All the items mentioned in the Congressional Reform Act are excellent and need to be implemented. But some of them can only occur by amending the US Constitution itself. History shows that Congress is reluctant to do this, especially if the amendment(s) require Congress to change its ways. These changes will only occur if the states call a constitutional convention, which I believe some states are already considering. If a convention is called, my personal opinion is that no one currently in public office nor anyone who has ever held public office higher than the city or county level should be a delegate to the convention. Some politics will be involved within a convention: there’s no way to completely eliminate it. But placing these conditions on delegates should keep the politics to a minimum and allow common sense to rule.

  • Howard R Gray

    I would add to the list of what is needed some controversial points


    We can recall politicians in some states why not recall or sunset the laws? The legislature takes ages to create needed laws, moments to create ones that are far from popular, and almost never removes or sunsets laws that are unnecessary. There is a dire need to remove useless and unpopular laws to that end I propose a new system akin to a grand jury, refereed by a judge or elected foreman to hear argument for or against a law. To give this institution a name would perhaps be to call it a Legislative Convention, this new institution may have to be convened locally with local powers and regionally to consider wider issues that is a matter for further discussion. There may even be a Grand Convention to deal with Federal powers and would be convened by national petition to consider Federal matters. The exact structure of this process would be for argument and consideration. The argument alone would generate alternative ways to achieve law removal from simple petitions of recall to full blown Conventions to do likewise. The objective is to remove laws that are divisive, unfair, and unreasonable. The population as a whole should have the right to input their views about how laws should be promulgated and have the right to respond through a speedy mechanism to remove bad or unpopular laws and regulations. If nothing else is achieved at least create a system to rapidly expunge regulations that would be a start.

    How would all this work? The result will be a vote or petition to keep or remove a law. If the vote is to remove a law no more than 50% should be needed to remove a local law and scotch the effect of a Federal law locally, a vote of 70% should remove a law nationally thus intrusive Federal laws could be removed without legislative repeal by local vote or petition in any one state. The point here is to create an alternative forum for removing laws as a counterbalance to the legislature. The mere convening of a convention would likely as not speed up reform of many laws in Congress.

    Having an external repeal mechanism in place would massively reduce the ability of Congress to pass useless unpopular or politically motivated laws that are not acceptable to the population at large. Given that there are a legion of laws on the books this new institution would be hard at work from day one removing a whole host of laws that already need removal. Motion to remove a law should perhaps be by petition for major laws and by private writ for removal of regulations. This idea will start the trend for phagic systems to gobble up the mass of laws such as the Inland Revenue Code that are oppressive and unjustifiable and will never be repealed by the existing arrangement. Having an institution that can remove laws relatively rapidly locally would chasten Congress in making laws in the first place. This whole idea is a mere sketch of what should be considered.

    The important issue would be how to create a balancing process where the legislature creates laws and the Legislative conventions remove them or threaten to convene to do so. Questions arise as to what should the mechanism be to convene such conventions or other law removal mechanisms. How many people should be on a law removal petition for example? The whole procedural structure for this idea needs to be worked out probably by trial and error. Should there be judicial supervision of the process should there in effect be trials to determine if the laws should be removed? The point here is to establish the idea, the principles in outline and then some way to create such an institution of governance. I have no doubt it is needed, Congress and the lawyers will resist it for a while but in due time it will be reasonable to consider such an idea.


    With respect to economics private currency would be the way to go once legal tender laws are eliminated. The state has never been honest with money, having a monopoly in money creation, which is what they do, they debase the value of everyone’s savings, investments, retirement funds and the like. Private currency is a good idea it would allow a number of organizations to create value backed money preventing the government from creating money out of nowhere and inflating away the debt that they create. In the short run financial discipline would be severe on the governing classes in the Federal government. For the longer view the stability of money based on commodities or precious metals would allow steady low debt growth for the nation. The silly idea that savings are a bad thing would go out of the window, savings would transform into investments that have a prospect of long term low inflationary success.

    Private money should perhaps be considered in tandem with balance budgets and real accounting in all levels of government.

    TORT REFORM ……not?

    Tort reform is unnecessary, introduce the UK “discretionary legal costs awards” after trial where the winner, be he defendant or plaintiff, is awarded the costs of bringing the case from the loser. Dubious cases would be very risky to run under such a regime.

    “Security for costs” is a variation of the costs award discretion where a defendant of a case that is weak prior to trial can ask for the plaintiff to put his money where his mouth is and put a large sum on account with the court to pay costs should the Plaintiff lose his case. Remember here that the security for costs order is only awarded by a judge when he is convinced that the Plaintiff has no real case. This would prevent a large number of clearly nuisance suits.

    Another useful idea is to have “payments into court” as settlement offers. Should the plaintiff fail to gain damages greater than the “offer paid in” he loses his winner’s costs, he should have taken the payment in as the best offer thereby avoided incurring costs of the trial to the defendant.

    A more rational method of calculating damages should be fashioned to prevent ridiculous sums from being awarded. An actuarial and realistic fact basis would be a preferable way to ensure that heads of damage are assessed at the end of the trail by the judge who would then be able to direct the jury as to limits of damages that can be awarded based on the evidence not on whim. There is clear need for a fair way to assess realistic damages this would be one way towards that end rather than the current lottery method.

    Punitive damages should not be awarded by juries, that should reside with the discretion for costs in the hands of the judge and should be scaled nationally so that there are few surprises. It may even be beneficial to have punitive damages scaled as a percentage of the case award at no more than 5% or so overall.

    Lawyers fees should be taxed down (UK legal term to review lawyers’ fees by a taxing master in the court system not a revenue clerk) in the process, the winner of the case and the loser must have their fees reviewed by the taxing master to see what is fairly charged, many fees hit the cutting room floor in this process even if you win. More to the point where lawyers and law firms waste court time and run up excessive costs, there should be a discretion in the judge’s powers to order costs to be paid by the lawyers in the case where appropriate, this now happens in the UK.

    These are some ideas to be added to the list. Should they be invoked by federal laws or by way of amendment to the constitution is a matter for discussion and evolution of such ideas.

    • RB Newcomb

      Great ideas, Howard.
      I would like to add a couple of my own:
      1. Term limits would have a disastrous unintended consequence: unelected beaurocrats would have even more power than they do presently. Our elected officals have responsibility to oversee operations of all government agencies. Unfortunately, there appears to be little responsibility exercised. When laws are passed, the agency tasked with enforcement then writes implementing rules, which sometimes bear little resemblence to the law behind them. Here’s my suggestion: we need, along with sunset clauses written into every piece of legislation, sunset rules requiring each and every agency to periodically justify its existence, including citing Constitutional authority; failing that, the agency would be dissolved.
      2. Pass the “Fair Tax” (H.R. 25). That would require repeal of the 16th Amendment. It would also take away the power of politicians to tinker with the Tax Code to favor special interests.
      3. Repeal the 17th Amendment. Popular elections for Senators has made them little more than glorified Representatives. The original purpose of the Consititution was that each Senator was to be a representative of his State gevernment, not the public.
      Thank you.

      • DaveH

        To RB,
        The Fair Tax is just another of many “feel good” placebos. The only realistic change we could make to our tax system is for every adult to be liable for the same amount. After all, we are promised Equal Justice under the Law. So why should anybody pay more? Does the car dealer ask for an income statement before he prices the car? Would you put up with that? If everybody had the same skin in the game, you can bet that people would start voting for much less Government. The Leaders know this, so we can’t expect them to implement such a system willingly.
        Read this about the Fair Tax:

        • JRC

          Well Dave, lets see where your proposal will go.
          For the sakes of argument lets assume the government could function with everybody paying $5200/year on taxes….independent of they’re income.
          This would then trickle down to just $100 a week and in your words it would be fair to all because everyone pays the same if you make minimum wage or millions /year. Good so far?

          Well lets look at it from a different way.

          For the person making minimum wage and for arguments sake lets make that a round number of $6/hr. If we assume that he would work 5 days a week, 10 hours /day that would be $300/week.(15600/year). $100 taxes would take away 33% of his income. leaving him ~800 per month to raise his family.

          On the other hand lets look at a moderate middle class income of 156k a year.
          that would be 3k a week leaving the person 2900/week to raise his family….not bad eh? Both of them are still paying only $100 a week taxes.

          Lets look at a family where the person works as a lower lvl CEO or other similar position and makes 1.52 million/year.
          They still just pay 100 bucks/week taxes yet the take home per week now is 29.9k that is more then the first person made in a year.

          What you are proposing Dave is to further the enrichment of the already rich, and further the poverty of the already poor with none of them ever being able to get anywhere but be a slave. There are NOT enough hours in a week to ever get a foot of the ground. What you are proposing is the enslavement of the lower 50% of the people. I thought it was against the law to enslave people? What happened to the land of the free and the American dream?

          Now if you thought about a percentage of income then you would have it right.
          Lets assume 10% of all income on a fixed base would go to the government independent of your take home. Now the person making 6 bucks an hour will pay $30 on income tax, but the person on top will pay 3k. Wow you say that is not fair well, who said life is fair. The 30 bucks that the low income person pays hurts him more then the 3k hurts the high income person…heck I have friends who give that much as a tip after a good meal.

        • RB Newcomb

          Thanks for your reply and the link to Mr. Vance’s article. Unfortunately Mr. Vance misrepresented several parts of HR25/S25, and apparently doesn’t understand other parts of it. For example, he says the new consumption tax would go into effect BEFORE the repeal of the 16th Amendment — not true. He also says this tax would be regressive — huh? Those with higher incomes generally spend more. Further, he fails to mention that corporate taxes would disappear, resulting in the prices of goods falling apprx. 22%. This elimination of Corp. taxes would result in trillions of dollars of capital assets belonging to companies now operating offshore coming back into the US economy. I could point out more errors, but I believe I have made my point. BTW, there are several books available, two of which were authored by Rep. Linder, who wrote HR25, and another by Ken Hoagland.

    • 45caliber

      See my suggestion above for a fourth branch of government.

  • hundabuxt

    Many good ideas here for reform but after a long long analysis of our current systems’ woes, I fear the only way to reform it is to let it fail completely, both financial and political and then rebuild it from the ashes. That is unless the Tea Party members now in the system can hold it together as a caucus and not get caught up in the temptations and we elect more in a couple years, which assumes we last that long.

  • Tom SC

    I offer this only as a desperate measure to control the finances of the election process. They spend it on coruption, if they don’t have the money and they are not going to serve for free. When your next tax form arrives go ahead and fill out the form but sit on the money. Put it in the bank or your matress or in a jar in your back yard but with hold it from the IRS until the Congress makes significant changes to their income and bennifits.The IRS will not look kindly on this action but if we all hang together they will not be able to hang us seperately. The coruption will dissipate when it is no longer proffitable

  • Norb Leahy

    You forgot to include campaign finance reform that would only allow registered voters in the candidates’ district, city, county or state to make campaign contributions, only to those candidates who will appear on their ballot. Unless we do this, politicians will continue to work for their big campaign contributors, (think Soros).

    • Patriot1776

      This is a great start but no one talks about this anymore!

  • Lois Franz

    I agree totaly with your recommendations,I hope it all comes to pass asap.

  • home boy

    reform act sounds great however you forget who writes the laws. why would the congress vote on something that is going to cut their throat. get real. your screwed and there ain’t jack you can do about but you think there is. you want a solution get rid of polticians 100%. completely change the system . oh i forgot it would have to voted on by the congress. game ,set, match. well there is always canada.

  • Norm

    A little off subject, but very true:

    “Though we may say with confidence, that the worst of the American constitutions is better than the best which ever existed before in any other country, and that they are wonderfully perfect for a first essay, yet every human essay must have defects. It will remain, therefore, to those now coming on the stage of public affairs, to perfect what has been so well begun by those going off it.” –Thomas Jefferson to T. M. Randolph, Jr., 1787. ME 6:165

  • Delores Smith

    I agree with you.
    - I think that the reform should be both Presidential and Congressional Reform.
    - New rules, affecting only them (House, Senate and President & his adm.) should be voted at the ballot box prior to their entering office, other than those you’ve mentioned.(It would be the same question for all states: ex: Raise the pay percentage increase.
    - The czars must be eliminated through the reform.
    - Executive orders must be limited; Obama is sidestepping the Checks and Balances of Congress.
    - All appointed officials of Obama must be vetted through Congress…no interim appointments like Dr. Berwick in charge of Medicare and recommending rationing.
    - The size of government MUST be reduced as a part of the reform. No President should be allowed to move toward a dictatorship or overspend. His budget must be cut, just as Congress is cutting theirs by 5%.
    - I believe that instead of repealing the Health Bill, it should be “defunded by Congress, pending the decision of the Supreme Court and shelved.” This would not make the Health Bill moot, because it will be pending court action. Even if Obama vetoes it, I believe it can be shelved, because it is not effective until 2014. (a time that Obama will not be in office)
    - Another reform should be to prevent Congress and the President from making any decisions that would bind the next President of the United States. Obama has no right to make a 10-year plan when he is only in office for 4 years. When he is voted out in 2012, the Health Bill doesn’t take effect until 2014. This must be stopped. Laws must be for the period of time that the President has the authority to protect the law and the funds, and not incur extreme debt on the new President.
    Bob, I honestly don’t know all that I’m suggesting. Please look it over and find something good in it.
    Thank you.
    Delores Smith

  • nationAP

    Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
    world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
    all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form
    of Government except all those others that have been tried from time
    to time. ~Winston Churchill

    When left get power democracy will be gone.

    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our
    lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.”
    Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its
    victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under
    robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber
    baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be
    satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us
    without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    - C.S. Lewis

  • Charles

    To All,
    Things will never change as long as you have people like George Soros spending his never ending money in trying to destroy America. You have so many left wing groups that he supports, its like another country attacking you.Congress is so corupt, it makes your head swim.
    I wonder how Barney Frank and a few other congressman got elected
    to Congress having very little personal wealth and in a short time are instant Millionaire`s. You also have your labor unions, one led by
    Andy Stern(SEIU)who spent more time at the White House than Obama did.
    How can things change?I don`t really know.

    • JRC

      Well, another vilification of George Sorros, I wonder what the preoccupation of so many people is with one person. Is it envy maybe as people have suggested? I don’t know, fact is for every George Sorros on the left there is equally an entity on the right. The only difference is Sorros does it in the quasi open meaning he does NOT care if you know about it contrary on the right its mostly hush hush and back room deals.
      Ever heard about an organization called American Crossroads? This organization equally supported republicans and tea party candidates in the last elections with billions spend in media advertising. Its donor list reads like the who is who of international bankers, corporations and…yes governments. There are millions of dollars that came from the Saudis and even Chinese Business men….all legal by the way…as legal as George Sorros actions. Are his actions moral? Well, moral is always dependent upon the viewers perception. I would not call what is going on in Saudi Arabia moral or what is going on in China…but contribution of those entities to American crossroads are NOT against the Law…and in a constitutional republic, the ultimate authority is the law.

  • Bill French

    For once I agree with you. A retired American History teacher.

  • Maria Viterise

    Allowing elected representatives such privileges is a travesty for the Amer. people! Are they being treated as equals to American citizens? Who made the elected officials so special & privileged? OUR TOTAL DEFICIT WOULD BE WIPED OUT, if those in government were treated as equals? If government is not doing a great job, fire them! No term limits required. If Teachers can be fired for not doing a great job, why not government officials? Have elected officials CHANGED AMERICAN LIVES FOR THE BETTER? Yet, CORRUPT POLITICIANS remain in office, GETTING ALL THE PRIVILEGES/not punished for their crimes? THIS IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY. The GOVERNMENT have been given TOO MUCH POWER, over the American citizens; while government dictates & FORCE the People to pay more higher taxes, to cover the expenses? The idea the citizens HAVE NO SAY in enough is enough irks me. Thanks, Bob, for the EYE OPENER!

    • 45caliber

      The original 13th Amendment to the Consitution was passed in 1814 after the War of 1812 which put the voting on hold. I don’t have a copy of it but it banned any elected official from gaining “honors”.

      In other words, if an offical gained some foreign recognition (such as Kennedy being knighted by the queen of England) or received any perk that every one of his constituants also got, he was banned from office of any sort the rest of his life. Further, since lawyers by profession are part of the Justice branch, they were banned from running for office in the Legislative or Executive branches of government.

      If this were in affect today, every elected member in almost every position of the US would be out of office.

      This amendment was in affect until at least 1859 but disappeared during the Civil war. There was no repeal. The present 13th Amendment was simply written over it. The Feds say today that they never received the correct paperwork to enact the original and therefore it is not offical.

      • 45caliber

        … or received any perk his constituents did NOT get …

        Sorry, I left out the word.

      • smilee

        The 13th amendment was ratified on Dec 6, 1865 and deals with a totally different topic!!1

  • nationAP

    As they have in the past, unions were among the top spenders in the
    recent elections, using the vast majority of their resources on

    The SEIU spent more than $15 million, AFSCME $12.4 million and the
    AFL-CIO almost $3 million during the 2009-2010 election cycle,
    according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Organized labor also shelled out about $32.1 million in the first
    three quarters of this year on federal lobbying, according to a CQ
    MoneyLine analysis of lobbying disclosure reports filed with Congress.

    • 45caliber

      When you come down to it, what are union dues used for? They pay the wages of some professional union leaders. They pay for an office for them. And the rest is basically available for anything the leaders want to spend it upon. And what better way to spend these millions of dollars than to get legislation passed that strengthens their hold over the union people who pays those dues?

  • nationAP
  • JohnM

    Congress: A system within a system is right on. The problems are obvious to anyone who looks and thinks. The Congressional Reform Act highlites may of the issues that need to be reformed, and has circulated the internet for several years. (The notable exception is the bureaucratic structure of aides and helpers that has grown up around Congress paid for by the taxpayer.) Expecting legislation out of Congress to enact the necessary changes is dreaming. The probability of legislation being introduced is minimal and if introduced it would be committeed and amended to death. The only possibility is bypassing congress through a constitutional admendment being prepared by a modern committee of “Thomas Jeffersons”, being introduced in state legislatures, and passing in a sufficient number of states. WHO, OR WHAT ORGANIZATION, WITH SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE AND RESOURCES IS GOING TO STEP UP?

  • hotrodrobert

    OK great article and its something we all agreed to as it was making the rounds during the hight of the Tea Party movement.Now as we see that they are still trying to wiggle around and do business as usual ;the question is how, by what means do we affect this change. They won’t pull away from the feeding trough so how do we make it law.
    My favorite outrage of the week is Michale Steele getting up to the lectern and completely ignoring the Tea Party as he said “There was a lot of noise but bottom line we won” No “We The People “did that and the next election cycle we will need to retire a bucket load of RINO’S to get their attention

  • Lee Hazel

    A really good column.
    There needs to be an “understanding” between We The People and our “Representatives”. The word “Representative” should mean exactly what it is. This person at the Federal level is either a House Member or a Member of the US Senate. In either case they are employees of the people of the State that elected them. They are NOT federal employees. They should not be beholden to the very government body that they have been elected to legislate and for which they should set the rules, including recompense.
    I think two items need to be added to the list at the beginning of this article.

    1. All pay and allowances and benefits for the Congressional seats for the various States should be paid directly by the individual states. There could be some mechanism for reasonable equality in pay and allowances but generally speaking these so called Representatives have long since forgotten (eg the 211th Congress) that they are in fact Employees of their respective states.
    2. Repeal the 17th Amendment to the COTUS, the one that provides for Direct Election, by popular vote, of US Senators.

    That’s my Two-cents-worth and I’m sticking to it.

  • Ridge Runner

    Norm you and other like minded people committing on here need to bend over and stick your head up your ass. then that shit you are spewing would hopefuly just circulate and no one of good repute would have to endure.I think these minipilators are going to get what they want by colasping the econ. and bankrupting our country so they can take over. When it falls there will be wide spread riots and the riffraft(no goods) will move in to fight over the spoils.I am old but can still pull a triger and will fight to the end. IF you don’t belive me just let me catch you stealing from me.Some one made the comment that you couldn’t exspect congress to voluntarly change their ways and give up their perks it would be like puting the fox in charge of the hen house. I agree that if you put the fox in charge of the hen house the first thing he would do is kill the rooster pretty soon his offspring would be just about like the perverts that we now have in our white house(cizarS)He is not bill clinton so i don’t mean cigars.

  • Jack

    I agree. Don’t know how these could be acompolished without re-enforcing the constitution. We need laws or amendments re-enforcing the constitution. The left continues to circumvent or redefind it. Our forefathers made it quit clear, it means exactly what it says. The supreme court needs some checks and balances, maybe congressional involvement. They have become to political. The legal system needs to be overhalled, they have to much power. The congress and senate are full of lawyers. I would think lawyers serving as lawmakers would be conflict of interest.

  • Mr. TAS

    I keep reading these comments and shaking my head. There is no realistic solution here in obeying laws and rules and regulations. If we want real and true change, we must bring in a “new” strategy. All people are controlled by fear! Fear on different levels in different ways to different people, yet still…fear. Fear keeps people in line. Fear needs to be used to change the political system of this country. Fear of riots, fear of violence, fear of death, fear of the citizens of this country!!! But no, that’s not “civilized”. Only governments and dictators can do that to citizens, but citizens cannot do that to their government! It is fear that controls YOU! You are probably thinking to yourself, “This guy is crazy!”. Well I am not! I AM “crazy” frustrated, angry, fed up, disappointed, disgusted, astonished, in disbelief, repulsed, etc., etc., etc.! But I am not insane. I know what works and what doesn’t. Wishful comments, opinions, and statements of frustration on a million websites is not going to change one thing! A billion phone calls and faxes to voice mails, operator banks, and government offices is not going to change anything!!! They are in power, in office, nothing can or will change that now! They are in the protection of the Ivory Tower now, the back room of good ol’ boys, they can ride out the storm till we all calm down in a couple of weeks after the media gives us a new story to talk about and keep our attention off of our anger and resentment towards the “Establishment”! The event in Tucson, AZ got peoples attention, didn’t it? The innocent bystanders were very unfortunate and I DO hurt for them, but in the Grand Scheme of things that event caused action! If we sit around and sulk, that action will be “against” the citizens, but if more events like this occur, which I believe will, more focus will be against the Ivory Tower Establishment.
    We are already in the Second Civil War!!! It is the seen and unseen government, liberal, progressive, one-world, Marxist, Socialist, Communist, democrat garbage…versus…freedom, true democracy, the Constitution and Bill of Rights, Christianity, and natural born patriots of these UNITED States!!! IT IS WAR…people!!! You don’t fight wars with words! You fight wars with the passion that is within you because of the foundation of beliefs that make-up who you are!!! When someone or something comes along to take that passion or crack and break that foundation, they are trying to beat you down into submission to THEIR foundation of beliefs. Do you know who you are? Do you know what you believe? Are you going to let someone or something else that you do not believe or agree with TELL you what you are going to agree with or believe? NO YOU WILL NOT!!! This is what is happening in our country now! We are being beat down and told what we will and will not believe! We are being ruled by fear!!! Political Correctness, don’t offend anyone, be compassionate, don’t be confrontational or you will be cast out of society or put in prison or a mental ward! Do you get to choose where your taxes get spent? No! Do you get to say what programs you do or do not support with your taxes? What about all of the government sponsored programs that pay for things that you do not agree with? What about the laws that you don’t get to vote for that affect your life? WE ARE IN A WAR!!! We need to fight to win!!! Only FEAR rules! Only pain causes fear! We must cause pain and create fear in the government of it’s citizens!!! ONLY THIS WILL BRING THE CHANGE WE ALL SPEAK OF AND HOPE FOR!!! Words are just noise in the air without action. Rules, laws, and regulations are just complexities to a simple solution! Pain causes fear, fear rules man. We must cause pain to the “Establishment”. More death and assassinations are necessary! I know no one wants this but it is the truth. I sure don’t want to kill anyone, even my enemy. However, if my enemy attempts to force his poison down my throat to kill my soul and my mind and body, I shall definitely kill him first or die trying!!!
    Digest this information for a minute, I want to see if anyone replies to this. I will check back later…
    Remember, I am not insane…I shall not bow down my mind, soul, and body in fear to anyone!

    • nationAP

      Do you know that new elected Republicans fear more not to be reelected than those who pay them to change nothing? This is the time! Call your state representatives with your ideas, and make them sure that you will check back later.

    • Karolyn

      It really is sad that your post comes on Martin Luther King Day. I was listening to excerpts of some of his speeches, and his main message was nonviolence. Violence only begets more violence. Yes,, he was the victim of violence, but I do not think that would have changed his mind whatsoever. It does not have to be that way. One of my favorite Biblical quotes is “faith as in a grain of mustard seed can move mountains.” (paraphrased). It is true. If more people were of one mind, thinking and praying and sending out only vibrations of good, good things would happen. Thoughts become things.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Tas: I am in complete agreement with your comments. This culture war has been going on for decades. When I came home from Nam in 68 i thought I’d landed on a different planet and it’s gotten nothing but worse. A good start would be for the States to grow a set of nuts and refuse any unfunded mandate based down from the Feds. If the Feds want to play hardball the States should refuse to pay Fed. taxes. Hopefully all the States would stand united. I know it’s wishful thinking because most State Legislators are cut from the same comprimising cloth as their big brothers in the Fed.

    • crystals10

      You have my applause! “Know who you are”, and what “You believe in”. Don’t waiver for one moment when you KNOW the truth. We do need to break their “fear mongering” ways. We just need to get it together people.

    • JRC

      A few words of advice,
      Remember although people can strike fear into the governments hearts any unorganized “”uprising”” will end up with the government winning.
      Why did the first rebellion proved successful? One, the adversary was armed the same as the people that rose up, and two, the real power of the adversary was a long way away and the supply line stretched.

      That is why our forefathers won the revolution.

      In today’s world its not so. Anyone who will believe that a people uprising waging war against the government with a limited supply of munition(yeah yeah I know some have 50k or more rounds of munition…a drop in the bucked in a war)and deer rifles will have a chance in hell to win against drones at 20000ft firing rockets at you, artillery firing munitions from 10 miles away at you can be won is out of his mind. And if you even for one second believe that the military forces will support you, you are having fantasies.
      Lets look at realities, the second revolution has NOT started unless you want to call a toothless meow on the internet a revolution.
      Second, the government just waits for anyone to be stupid enough to start an uprising, they would LOVE it. The uprising would be declared an act of domestic terrorism giving the government any and all power to smash you. And in the end will result in whatever little freedoms we have taken away from us.
      3rd, for a uprising to have any chance you need full public support. Do you really believe Joe Sixpack that writes long blogs on the internet calling himself a patriot or Real American will risk losing his home, potentially wife, children, and safety net? Nope, the internet is a willing media and I would say that of all the people pretending to be upset,patriotic,tough and calling for a second revolution…99.9% will be chicken out once they realize that the bank will be closed, they’re visa and master card does not work and there is no gas for the SUV, no paycheck from an employer and stores closed…thus they can’t get food and medications for the families.
      Moreover, the tougher the economy gets and the more the people struggle, the more they tent to try to hang one to the little they have left. Yes people rioted in Tunisia, but that was something total different, people that had nothing to start with got fed up. But that is NOT the case in the US, people do have “”stuff”” and wealth in comparison and if you believe they will be willingly trade that for a future of poverty, crime, and sickness as you find in places like Haiti or Afghanistan you are wrong. You will try to rise up, and the people will scream government deal with the terrorists…and then watch on FOX news or CNN how it all ends.

  • Ridge Runner

    I also think the reps should have terms and term limits, I think congress limit 2 years with a 2year break and atotal 4years in office. senate 4years with a 4year break and 8 years in office.The only exclusion would be the canidate would have to get 70% of the vote.Ithink this thing on our southern border has to be adressed and the sooner the better.the imposter in the white house is not going to do what needs to be done.IT just might turn into another alamo we the people may have to close the loopholes in the border along with the white house.there has been more deaths this last year(over 10,000) than the two wars in irachy and avaginsty my spelling should tell you how i feel about these wars.Mexico is too close to home and there might be forces gathering there to assault the us from there. there is no security in an open border and this needs to be changed.

  • Brenda-Sue Haring

    I agree 100%, but who/how can we get this started? Someone has to take the lead on this. I don’t know of very many people who would dispute that this needs to be done, but do you honestly believe that anyone in Congress would present such a bill that would effect them in a negative way? I need to look it up, but I think that I remember that a bill can be presented from the state level; however, the specifics I don’t know. Does anyone know how? Just talking is getting us nowhere.

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  • Wim Vonk

    It is not only in the US that this happens. It is world wide. Certainly we have the same problem in Canada where the elected members of Parliament follow the party line instead of representing their constituents. I hope it is not too late to turn it around in the US but I fear for us in Canada I do not see it changing short of some kind of revolution and that is some time away. It would be great if the US could set an example though

  • Robert Morrow

    Yes, our own so called representatives have sold out the Constitution and the Republic for their 30 pieces of Silver. I have written and told my State Representatives what I think and how corrupt they are. Just look at the Fact, they just voted and gave more power to the FDA. The FDA which kill 200,000 or over per year with poison prescription drugs. At this point I want to inject proof positive of this statement. This is a quote from Herbert Ley, M.D. Former FDA Commissioner: “THE THING THAT BUGS ME IS THAT PEOPLE THINK THE FDA IS PROTECTING THEM. IT ISN’T. THE FDA IS PROTECTING THE PROFITS OF THE CORPORATIONS THAT PAY US AND THE POLITICIANS!”. I have questioned over and over again my State Senators, but none every address this corruption. Again it only proves that both my New Mexico State Senators have sold their souls for the dollar and power. How many people have to die each year from poison drugs and the 15,000 toxic poisons allow to be put in processed foods to make you obese & unhealthy? Just how many read the labels and how or listen or look up the side effects from the poison drugs and foods. Just remember just follow the money trail. One more thing the corrupt FDA also has their own Gestapo Swat team goons to terrorize you and your family if you step out of line and threaten profits. Just do a little research and you will find this information. I even have video clips of these raid that threaten and terrorize families and little children plus Doctors who help people with health and life giving foods.

  • robert craft

    i think all of congress should be on military pay.and the same benefits and no more than the military.then maybe we will get people in congress that will be for the people and not for themselves.and another thing,make the supreme court only one term,4 years.

  • DaveH

    I would argue that most of you are getting exactly what you voted for — Big Government. Very few people in these times understand what real Freedom is. They think if their party gets in power that they’ve achieved Freedom (damn the other half of the population). Both Democrats and Republicans have allowed our Government to grow out of control. Leaders in each party disdain Freedom, but their agendas are different. The Democrats want to control your wallets, no matter how much harm is done to Society, and the Republicans want to save us from ourselves, again, no matter how much harm is done to society (or the world for that matter).
    Until you all get together and start respecting your fellow citizens’ Freedom to control their own bodies and property, and to pay for their own mistakes, we are going to have turmoil. The bigger Government gets, the more chaos there will be. One size doesn’t fit all and it never will. Get used to it.

    • Lefty


      Big government is not as much a problem as big corporations. At least you can vote for or against politicians (government). Corporate executives do not need to woo our affection and could care less about you, me or anyone else that is reading this. It is the influence corporations have on politicians that causes me concern. You might think you have control–and you do have some control over government to a certain extent because you can vote and you can petition politicians, but when it comes to corporations, you are helpless and at their mercy. Regarding corporations–Supply-Demand only works when there is no collusion by the side that controls supply. The only way to ensure that there is equity in the market place is through regulation.

      • DaveH

        The countries at the bottom of this list thought the same thing:

        • Lefty

          Depends on what you mean by freedom. Do you mean freedom to corner the market on a product or service then drive the price up??? Do you mean that corporations should be free to collude in order to ensure that their interests (profits and competition) are to their benefit against the interest of the consumer? Is this the kind of freedom you are talking about.

        • DaveH

          Regulations are a net drain on the economy. Don’t confuse regulations with fraud laws and other laws which punish corrupt companies. Regulations are simply extra hurdles thrown out by government in their infinite wisdom (that’s a joke) which make doing business more difficult.
          1) They cost all the companies money to hire the extra paper-pushers. Who pays those costs? The consumers pay, of course, when the companies raise their prices to pay for the regulations.
          2) They cost the taxpayers money to hire the extra bureaucrats who administer the regulations.
          3) They drive small companies, who can’t afford the extra costs, out of business. That enables the remaining companies to raise their prices (fewer goods, higher prices). Who pays that bill? The consumers pay, of course.
          If you like paying more for your goods and services, and more for your tax bill, then you will love regulations.

          Think this is idle conjecture? You have the proof that it isn’t right in front of your face. Pick the country links in the list. Learn why they are in the position they’re in. We can say “is so”, “isn’t so”, all day long. Experience is the best teacher.

          • DaveH

            In my world, Lefty, you are free to buy $2 worth of insurance to save you $1. But don’t spend my money on that bad gamble.

          • Lefty


            You did not answer my question. Do you believe that it is OK for a corporation or corporations to corner the market on a product or service and drive prices up in order to maximize profits? Do you believe that all corporate interests that control supply should organize in order to have control over supply-demand?

          • DaveH

            Show me an example of any market that has ever been “cornered” (excluding those monopolies guaranteed by Government, and excluding the market of “Government”). That is an urban myth promoted by those who benefit from Big Government. It would be impossible to corner any market without the force of Government to back them up. And you play right into their hands by voting for that Forceful Big Government.

            It seems odd to me that you are so distrustful of those corporate officers who can’t force you to buy anything, but you give a free pass to Government who does have the power of force.

          • DaveH

            It appears to me, Lefty, that you just want to repeat your propaganda until you wear me down (isn’t going to happen). But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you really have an open mind and are just curious about mechanisms which you don’t understand (yet). Here is an article that demonstrates what I have said — That monopolies can’t exist without the force of Government to back them up:

            While you’re at the Mises web site, you might want to read other articles or online books and learn something about Government and Economics. The Mises site has a wealth of articles and free online books for your learning pleasure.

          • DaveH

            Here’s another good article on Regulations and their unintended consequences:

          • B. Johnson

            DaveH is my new buddy

      • JeffH

        Here we go…”Big government is not as much a problem as big corporations.”

        You guys just hate corporations yet you just refuse to look at who really owns and controls the biggest most powerfull corporations and the elected government that continues to allow them to get bigger and richer through lobbying and corrupt payoffs.

        I’ll go out on a lmb here and say that the majority of corporations in America aren’t corrupt and in the elite bankster’s and the government’s pockets. They produce jobs and products which obviously our government does not like because they regulate them so heavily(think environmental extreme EPA for instance) they either shut down or move offshore or just fail miserably. Most should realize that Lehman Bros, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley and a host of others who represent the International Bankers(Rothschilds) own the controlling shares in many of these large corporations(Big Pharma, BP, GE), and get their exectives appointed to high government positions and agencies.(former GS execs: Henry M. Paulson, Robert Rubin, Joshua B. Bolten, Jon Corzine of New Jersey). You really might want to look into this and remember to “always follow the money”.

        • JeffH

          Lefty…let me say that I could have spent hours presenting examples but this is a very short and incomplete synopsis. I hope you can understand the gist of it.

          • DaveH

            Don’t hold your breath. The first requirement of learning is the desire to learn.

  • David R Finch

    Sadly, how true. We are a true experiment in the governing which we have over the years compromised. We MUST get back to what the founders envisioned.

    The Tea Party movement is a good starting place. But they are not in an of themselves a solution. The solution is to get all of America aware of this problem. May I suggest that this information be forwarded to “American Solutions” and other forums as well. As we in this country start electing people to Congress (House and Senate) who recognize this need, we can see changes.

    This idea should not be a suggestion. It should be a demand and expectation of all who serve us in Congress!

    Amen and Amen!

  • Donald

    I agree Bopb. but it will never happen. The vested interests have all the money and money speaks lounder than votes. Too bad.

  • Antonio

    The “elite” group that bob speaks about is better known as the ILLUMINATI
    your world the WHOLE world is controled by the illuminati (13 royal bloodlines) those are the ones everyone works for and if they try and oppose them then they will end up like Kennedy (God bless you sir for trying) Kennedy said “the government at all levels must face opposition” and that cost him his life. The 13 families that run your world are:
    1. Astor
    2. Bundy
    3. Collins
    4. DuPont
    5. Freeman
    6. Kennedy
    7. Li (Chinese)
    8. Onassis
    9. Rockefeller
    10. Rothschild
    11. Russell
    12. van Duyn
    13. Merovingian (European Royal Families)
    The following families are also interconnected with those above:
    1. Reynolds
    2. Disney
    3. Krupp
    4. McDonald
    Also, in addition to those four families, there are hundreds of others that are more remotely connected to the main 13 Illuminati bloodlines. Although significant, they are not mentioned here; they are considered less powerful and less “pure” by the 13 Elite Bloodlines.

    do your own reseach everybody and must prepare!

    • crystals10

      Antonio: I am surprised you left out the Bush clan! All in all you are correct. I will check out the 16th amendment, but I know they(FRB) use our money against us. The Illuminati, the biggest elite group of thievery ever known to mankind, and the MOST EVIL. Run by Satan himself.

      • Antonio

        Crystals10 you must understand that the bushclan is not important. those 13 royal richest families in the world are the ones that the “bushclan” work for and answer too. Bush and all others are just pawns thats all. Understand? In 09/11/1990 When Bush announced that we need to welcome a new world order he was just doing what THEY wanted. You should my videos on youtube i have put a lot of work in my videos and the link is on my other comment down below
        God Bless

  • Donel

    Selling their souls to the money power. What is it? To gain the world, and lose their soul. They think their infallible. When they leave this earth empty, their spirit will pay the dues.
    Pay raises, free health care, big pensions, etc, etc. Their pay by the federal governent.
    Do they realize where the money comes from? We the people,taxes. Their plain Leaches.
    Maybe we do need a third party. Bring back America to the people from corruption

    • Antonio

      yes and that is why the illuminati push in the 16th amendament that has never been ratified by the senate and also passed in the same year as the federal resever bank (1913) and all that money goes to them and they use it against you. I say lets REPEAL the 16th amendament!!! and abolish federal income tax that will put a hole in the corruption.
      look at kennedys Executive order 11110

  • http://yahoo Fred Hammel

    One thing this article is the fact that more voters work for government all levels then workers in the private sector. These gov. workers will in most cases, vote for the candidate that will protect their jobs and their largess

  • Bill

    I agree with everything, except term limits. Nothing wrong with keeping a good Representative or Senator, as long as they are subject to fair elections just like everyone else, with zero government financing to prop them up. But without question, void all pensions ans health care immediately.

    • smilee

      Elections are term limits and the only way We The People are free to vote for whom we choose, limit these terms by changing the constitution takes away that freedom of choice from We The People.

  • Jim Hi

    there is a simple answer let the people vote on all issues. We have the technology here is a system that is fool proof
    1-each citizen will have a voter ID number an i think the age should be as low as 10 to offer your vote
    we would be able to vote on all issues from the budget to things such as do we want to see the word God were an when the majority approve.
    we will be able to vote by way of phone computer or a free standing voting booth located at buss train stops
    the issues will be discussed on news and special networks that any one can bring up an issue discuss it offer the pros and cons of what laws an or decision are being made by our law makers an judges.
    to get the people involved we need to make this process as interesting as American Idol an the latest Game Boy there are all kinds of ways to get people interest

    The way to make this a fail safe system each vote that can be made at any time up to the cut off date say give about 30 days an you would be able to change vote up to the cutoff date
    there will be a published list showing your secure code number and how you voted
    then the vote can be tallied continually any body can see the totals!
    the information will be available by a TV network, the internet, voting booths at buss and train stops


    we need a transparent government
    all us tax payers should know and understand were our government is spending the money
    what a better watch dog then the American People
    were the money goes will also be out to vote let the people have a say
    as to how our President, Courts, Senate, Congress, State Government, Local Government, Spend our money and make our laws!!!

    if we the people make our selfs heard in stead of being the Herd

    we can fix America with Common Sense

    • B. Johnson

      Yeah, 10 year olds voting. Great idea.

      • B. Johnson

        I can just see “certain families” with a dozen kids all gathered around the government issued computer voting for you know who. Otherwise, it’s a good idea.

  • Robert

    i like it! i like it a lot!!

  • Antonio

    DaveH thank you for the link i will read more and maybe join thanks
    If you would like to see some videos i made about illuminati and nwo i have a channel on youtube.
    God Bless

    • JeffH

      Antonio, I look forward to checking out your YouTube vids. In my opening comments, I purposely left put mention of the Illuminati and the Bilderbergs so as not to make it any longer than it already was. Thanks for mentioning that also.

    • JeffH

      Antonio, just finished listening to one video, very interesting and very informative. Obvious you’ve put a lot of effort and thought into the one I watched/listened, Pt.1/4 The NEXT 9/11 False Flag Terror Attack! POPE in ROME! . I’ll be watching and listening to all of them tomorrow. Keep the information flowing, it’s very important stuff to get to the public. Great job and great information.

  • Clif

    It is time for term limits.

  • leon carpenter

    What we need is a cleanout of the stale garbage and return to our roots. This being operating UNDER the CONSTITUTION and the way our government
    was origonally put together. One nation under GOD. Respectfully.

  • HighLighter

    Bob Livingston is correct and some of the solutions would help. I do not understand exactly the purpose of this site.

    Is it a place to publicly air and trade conservative ideas with a few battles with liberal thrown in?

    Is it a place for anti-government rethoric and offers of wild replacements?

    Is it a place to hawk snake oils and miracle cures?

    Is it a place for metal commodity plays to be promoted?

    Or, is it a site where the crazies battle reality?

    I have a consideration for all of you. In Switzerland, a large device called the Large Hadron Collider has cranked up. A backwards reading name is given for the place, CERN. This device accellerates bits of matter to fantastic speeds and then in the ultimate freeway lane change it collides them to see what the bits and pieces look like after the crash. So, what is the big deal. Well, first, it was costly. Second, like the first atomic blast, some brains on the train have determined that a risk of creating a small gravitational singularity might be possible. The small but massive singularity could if formed and stable drop to the center of the planet like a rock in a lake. There, it would grow. Many constraints prevent the growing and extraterristial singularties are accepted as fact but not proven or completly understood. The bad thing would be steady, non self destructive growth without bound. If that is possible and were to happen, we are toast. Some earth quakes and a few volcano erutpions for the history books and its all over.

    How risky is this? How much risk are we willing to take with complete disaster?

    Contrast this monster with the governments and financial problems.

    If this was not bad enough, there is also the possiblity of producing novel pac man like matter termed “strangelet” matter. A similar doomsday program exits for its creation.

    How remote is the possibility. I think if certain quantum limits are exceeded by the energy of the particles and they are isolated from the rest of the universe long enough, anything is possible. Oh, by the way, I do not think time exists. So, to explain,if the event is shielded from the rest of the universe to allow its own progress to be uninterrupted by competing events up to a certain stage, the end is on.

    Can goods will not help on this one and several other low probability end of the world type plays. This one just happens to be man made and government supported. Yes, even here in the US. How many of you knew?

    So, is this site a place to air out such wild ends or are we to stick to arguing about the invasion of the US by Mexican soldiers in civilian cloths who used to be treated as spies. And learning to spell.

    • JRC

      Some free advice, run, don’t walk, run to the grocery store and buy some aluminum foil, wrap head, after all, the scientists are out to get you with the HAARP mind control ray for spilling they’re secret plan to destroy this planet.

      and to answer your questions,

      No, this site is not a site where lunatics convene

  • Keith

    I too agree with you. How do we get them out of there? They write the laws and legislation and have a feeling that they will not knowingly end their ride on the gravy train. They are like addicts, once they feel the power, they will not want to voluntarily give it up unless voted out. Voting them all out at once is not written into the rules and processes of the Govt.

    Yes, it needs to be done yet I know of no way to accomplish this undertaking.

  • Joe

    I believe it is long past time for a Congressional Reform Act. I support the one proposed by our readers. Question: How do we get it done?

    • smilee

      Only way is to amend the US Constitution, not going to happen!! This is nothing more than a rant by the unhappy!!

  • chucky

    bottom line is you want a functioning congress, In the best interest of the people they are supposed to represent? Then you need to make lobbying illegal. I tell people who buy powerball or mega million lottery tickets at my store to save your money and take a run at a seat in Congress the odds are better you win and if you win you will be a multi millionaire overnight. This is the biggest problem Washington’s broken system needs to fix. But you have to admit that they have done a good job of pacifying the people, If this was the first congress back in the 1700′s most would be tarred and feathered for putting their own personal greed in front of the best interest of the people. Most of them take legal(questionable) bribes from lobbists sometimes paid on the front end in contributions but now they take them after service sitting on boards of fortune 500 companies, or obscene amount of money for one day speaking engagements. Term limits would help but until you make the flow of money coming into Washington only taxpayer money, We are doomed. Another good idea would be to end campaign contibutions and have our government provide a set amount (say 75k per congress canidate and 150k per senate canidate) this way most of the snakes will slither out of D.C. once their is no big financial gains to be made as a member of congress

  • David Eiker

    I would happily run for congress under these conditions. Perhaps that is the real answer. Find candidates who are willing to run agreeing to these conditions BEFORE they are elected. If they follow through, they can get another term. If not, they’re done, no second chance. We might need a new party though, and I’m not talking about libertarians or tea partiers!

  • GREG


  • Crowfox

    I agree. This is an excellent act. I wonder if the Tea Party candidates would have the courage to propose this? The hour is late. Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the People of the United States.

  • Michael Bruton

    I do not agree that we need to limit terms or stop Congress from having good benefits. What we DO need to put a stop to is corruption – make sure Congressmen do not engage in bribery while in office, and that their income after their time in Congress is not bribery-based.

    One thing that may ameliorate their drive for more money would be to PAY THEM WELL for their time serving their country! Give them no excuse and less motive to win election in order to engage in what amounts to an under-the-table payoff system that will set them up for life.

    Do not limit their terms. Let them be paid well, even better than they are now. They deserve it. Let them have good benefits. And indeed let them be subject to their own laws. It is not against the law to have a better health plan than that offered by the “default” providers. But let the wrath of the law crash down on them if they benefit from bribes and the like.

  • kevinL

    Well, don’t give up just yet! We should try our democratic process to rectify the grave situation before resorting some other radical means. I saw a relevant, good commentary on another site that kind of address this very topic. Here goes:

    There Is a Simply Doable Way To Beat Back Corrupting BigMoney. First, let’s identify the problem(s) — How campaign contributi­ons influence and decisively decide elections? BigMoney tend to get their candidates to win elections by outspendin­g their opponents in Advertisin­gs(TV, Radio, Printing, etc.). “Advertisi­ngs” is the Key Word here; meaning we apathic, gullible mass has been commercial­ized — voting for candidates who present their faces and voices and texts much more often on TV, Radio, Printing Press, … Again, COMMERCIAL­IZED is another Key Word. It’s an enbarrassm­ent; many of us don’t even bother to vote in elections and those that vote don’t do their home works on the various candidates­; thus we are quite ignorant and gullible to vote for whomever have more corrupting money to frequently advertise their faces, voices, and messages TV, Radio, and such. We’ve been COMMERCIAL­IZED, indeed! Shameful! Now, we know the problems — Apathy, Non-partic­ipation, Negligence­, just “Don’t Care”! Well, we can really rectify by doing the opposite. Be participat­ory, scrutinize and study the candidates­, read between the lines — just Do Our Homeworks! If we do our political Due Diligence, and find that this particular candidate A is a Black Cat(bad one; typical corrupt politician­). Then, no matter how many million$ candidate Black Cat spend to project his person otherwise, we would not fall for it. Because we did our homework, and this candidate is a Black Cat. So, we end up voting for his more vituous opponent, and the Black Cat is defeated!”

  • Myron J. Poltroonian

    Ah, yes. “Those ‘Old, Dead White Men’ didn’t know what they were doing, nor could they possibly foresee conditions on the modern world.” “Read ‘em ‘n weep”:

    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not,” warned Thomas Jefferson.

    At almost 80 years old, Thomas Jefferson foresaw the corruption of a federal government with too much power, when he wrote to William T. Barry in 1822, just a few years before his death: “If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption(s), indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface.”

  • Myron J. Poltroonian

    Oops! “on the modern world” should read: “in the modern world”, of course. Sorry.

  • Antonio

    Hey Jeff thank you for appreciating my videos. yes i have put much effort in those videos. You see, when i first came to the USA i did not know much about politics nor did i really care. But, then new york was attacked and i like many was angry, but then i would hear things like it was an inside job and all that; so i put myself to investigate these things. I came across the new world order and masons and everything else. Then i started reading my bible and yes sir it es real. All these so called terrorist attacks are FAKE done by the ILLUMINATI to cause fear in the people so as to let the united nations take care of them. If you ask me the muslims in iraq and everywhere else are fighting for freedom against the UN
    quotes bush and henry
    “If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.” – George H W Bush

    “Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” – Henry Kissinger
    ps make sure to the 2012 nwo agenda 1/13 series i have

    • JeffH

      Amen to that…thanks,keep posting your always informative and eyeopening info…especially for the non-believers. All any of us can do is to keep sharing the info and then sort it out.

    • JeffH

      Here is a website full of political quotes…

  • Richard Grant

    May I make a suggestion?

    It has been my good fortune to meet a gentleman, twelve years ago, who claims to possess, shall we say, interesting connections. He tells me he’s apart of an exclusive think-tank which consults for the family that heads ownership of the Fed and Bank of England. Most intelligent person I’ve ever met whose long term economic forecasts have been uncanny. This person is under a strict non disclosure agreement but is allowed to share limited insights with his family for which I have been fortunate enough to be included. He explained how one family is able to control 6.5 billion people. They do it by creating distractions manipulated through the media causing ignorance and emotions to build a wall around true reality which helps conceal their agenda from the public.

    Through my research and this gentleman’s insights I’ve surmised the following about power:

    When you look at the top four rungs of the global power structure, relative to the US, the US, in my estimation, is number four. The other three are; 1. Banking/financial empires, 2. Major Corporations, and 3. Major Religion. The political term for these three is special interest.

    When you break down the power structure within the US the top four rungs, again my opinion, are 1. Special interest, 2. Parties, 3. Self interests of the politicians and 4. We The People.

    Looking at the following recent historical event one can see how this power controls, to our detriment, We The People.

    I believe the reasons we went into Iraq had nothing to do with Saddam’s threats towards GHW Bush or protecting the US against terrorist attacks. The reasons we attacked Iraq were in the interests of the oil companies and the industrial military complex, using the political parties as conduits to the administration and Congress to enact the opportunity, financed by the banks, in the name of God and, ultimately, at the expense of We The People.

    In order for positive change, political and economical, to occur for the citizens of the US, the interests of We The People must ascend back to the top of the US power structure where founders had envisioned them.

    I strongly believe this is possible to accomplish, in the next Presidential election, with the full support of all Independent voters.

  • Doug Rodrigues

    Congress and the Senate are run like private clubs. The idea that new members have less seniority and therefore have less power to represent the voters who elected them is an insult to American Citizens! This good-ol-boy system has got to go! We need to vote out as many “Professional Politicians” as possible at every election, Democrats and Republicans if we expect to see any change in that stupid system of theirs!

  • Fed Up Texan

    I was at a Commander’s Call in my old Texas ANG unit several years ago. A local congressman was guest speaker. At he end of his worthless babbling, we all were lined up to go around the room and shake his hand. About ten of us were near the rear door, and we decided to exit quietly. We were about fifty feet from the building when we heard someone running up behind us. We stopped and looked. It was a major, panting, as he ran, “get your asses back in there right NOW. That is an ORDER!!! He started his rant:
    You damn enlisted don’t understand!!! He is a CONGRESSMAN. He is a man to be HONORED. He is ABOVE the rest of us. Respect That!!! We never said a word. We all agred later that the officer was a bootlicker, and the congressman was a garden-variety common crook. Time proved us right on both counts.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I totally agree that this would be great to be able to put this into law, where congress themselves have live with and under the rules they expect the rest of us to live with and under. Problem is, they are all lawyers, and these lawyers are under the influence of money, and money is their god, and I dont expect them to enact anything any time soon that will make them subject to joining the human race and living within the boundaries of reality like the rest of us. They truly think of themselves as better than us and above us, and have prostituted the money and power in government to directly benefit them to the utmost degree. They should have to live under the same programs they themselves institute. But they dont.

    • SammiD

      LIFE…No one gets out alive!
      I have no doubt that our time is short. Just look at this description of mankind, and see if it applies to our present day and current situations.
      May God have mercy on us all.

      2 Timothy 3:1-7

      3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

      3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

      3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

      3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

      3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

      3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

      3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

  • Joe

    Note the prophetic date of this memo.

    To: The American Taxpayer 03/12/09
    From: Joe
    Re: The Heartless

    Again the Conspirators have proven that they are heartless. The “Heartless Conspirators” have thrust the kid, Barack Hussein Mohamed Obama, whose only talent is to rap using reasonably good English, into the position of “Leader of the Free World”.

    The “Barack Kid” eloquently pontificates using reasonably good English and is oblivious to what is causing his pain while the Russian Bear bites him in the ass and the China Tiger claws him down the back side while the little puppies (like North Korea, Iran, France, etc…) nip at his heels.

    Who are these “Heartless Conspirators”? To name a few, they are the left wing liberal politicians, the US socialists and communists, the radical environmentalist, the left wing liberal socialist/communist media. These cretins have conspired to create crisis after crisis for uncountable years with the objective of changing the US to an environment suitable for the many little “Kings and Queens” who have wiggled themselves into politics and bureaucracies.

    There is an old Chinese proverb that states:

    Crisis + Chaos = Opportunity

    The preverbal straw that broke the camel’s back was the fuel crisis, caused by “Heartless Conspirators”. This caused the American Taxpayer to have to pay up to $5 per gallon for fuel. At this point, the American Taxpayer rebelled. We quit buying fuel. We quit traveling. We quit spending money. Now we have chaos. The equation is complete. There is now Crisis + Chaos which creates Opportunity.

    There is now Opportunity for the “Heartless Conspirators” to change the US to an environment suitable for the many little “Kings and Queens” who have wiggled themselves into politics and bureaucracies. The “Heartless Conspirators” are guided only by the approach whereby the end justifies the means.

    There are some who think that we are past the point of no return.

    Sincerely, Joe

    Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 – December 19, 1968 ( some of us are old enough to remember him running for President). He was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:
    “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”

  • Charles

    Good show my man.The 13 men you said are running the world, you are right. One thing though,Jacob Rothschild and his son Anthony are really the leaders of this group.Jacob`s hit man in America happens
    to be a loon by the name of George Soros who finances so many LEFT_
    WING groups I can`t name them all.Oh,by the way JRC you only threw
    up one RT_WING group,(AMERICAN CROSS RDS)Here I will give you two Left
    WING groups that that Soros backs.(Organizing For America)(Acorn)I gave you 2 now you give me 3 rt wing groups and I will you 4 left wing groups Then you give me 6 and I will give you7 and so on.

  • Charles

    Not to change the subject.

    What the Hell is going on over at MTV?


  • Charles

    To Lefty,
    You say you can`t vote for a Republican because they are so rich.Please tell me what law maker in our Congress is the riches
    and what party does he belong to. (SENATOR John Kerry )Tell me is he a
    Democrat or Republican,I know, do you? As for a safety net, I do believe the people that can`t make a decent living for what ever reason, we do need to help.With that said,I don`t believe that a person
    that does make it should have to give up every thing that he has worked for so a person who has nothing can have what he has.I have never had to take a handout or collected unemployment in my 74 years.
    I did not have a job all the time and when I got a new job, it was not allways the best job or highest paying job I ever had.I would still go out and find a job and work it till I found a better one.

  • Irene Schweitz

    If you think this is bad – you need to read the Bielenberg Group. It tells it all about the Rothchild and all the Presidents and Bankers before our time. It is so sad that such a great country “USA” has to be full of fraud and scams and the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. But they will all have to answer for their actions and I would not want to be in their shoes. At least I can look over my shoulder and sleep at night knowing my conscious is clean, they cannot. I really don’t see how they can really face the world and the people with a straight face knowing that we know what is going on and that they will eventually have to pay for their wrong doing. Their life is more at risk then ours is in these troubled times. They have to go hide somewhere while at least we may not have anything, but we can live in the open without fear for our lives. Trouble finds trouble when these things occur. I want to be on the Lord’s side and will count on Him to save me and look out over me. We all know what the Bible has to say about these kinds of people. That is what I live by and I have peace in my world and I really enjoy sleeping at nights.

  • Irene Schweitz

    Just one more question. After the dollar goes to zero and we have to start over again. That would be a good time to put this into the Constitution and make it right, so it won’t happen again to our Grandchildren and their children. How can we get it started now, so when the right time comes we can have it in place ready to go?

    I at least would like to be able to help the future generations from this awful catastrophy happen ever again (which I’m sure will), but at least we can give it a shot and then its up to them to take it from here.

    Thanks for any suggestions on this subject.

  • James click for grass fed whey protein

    I get emails that say Let’s Fix Congress with a list of ideas for a Constitutional amendment I’m supposed to pass around. The problem with those emails is there is no centralized website where people can go for update, and progress getting their state’s reps signed-on. This article is the closest thing to a central website, but with new articles coming in daily it will get lost in time. Could you start a website for these ideas? Liberty Alerts seems capable of doing that. And here is the email I just got. They should really have a web site in the message don’t you think? Thanks.

    Subject: Let’s Fix Congress !
    Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011

    The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took
    only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it.

    That was in 1971…before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.

    Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land…all because of public pressure.

    I’m asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty
    people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

    In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. Term Limits.

    12 years only, one of the possible options below..

    A. Two Six-year Senate terms
    B. Six Two-year House terms
    C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms

    2. No Tenure / No Pension.

    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.

    4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American

    8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective

    The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen.
    Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
    envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.


    If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete it.

  • Pedro Doller

    Great Article.

    One thing that may also help.

    As you pointed out, the Senators and Congressmen are currently FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.

    This needs to be CHANGED. All their salaries, benefits, expenses, staffs, retirements, etc need to be paid for by the State they represent. Their entire budget needs to come from their State Legislator and Governor. The State will have to provide equally for their Congressmen and Senators to prevent party bias.

    This would make the Lobbyists go nuts. It would move corruption to the State level, making the buyouts more complicated.


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