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The Two Michaels (Bloomberg and Moore): Fixation On Gun Control Can Come From Dark Places

March 14, 2013 by  

The Two Michaels (Bloomberg and Moore): Fixation On Gun Control Can Come From Dark Places
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No one can see into another’s heart, so it’s not right to say that Michael Bloomberg was waiting, with enthusiasm, for another mass shooting to claim American lives.

But after last summer’s Aurora, Colo., movie theater murders, the New York mayor had an anti-gun PR plan in place and ready to go live when the next mad-gunman killing sensation hit TV screens.

There’s a pathology to the eagerness with which gun control advocates fixate on mass killings and their scarlet horror; the spear-tipped acuity of their nauseating pain; the total Grand Guignol of it all, so pornographic in its theatrical celebration of electrifying, lurid violence.

Michael Moore bathes his own imagination in the blood of innocents in his March 13 reverie over what an AR-15 blast will do to the chest of a small child:

As horrifying as this is, there’s more; much more. Dr. Cyril Wecht, past president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, told me this:

The kind of ammunition used by the Newtown killer would have produced very extensive, severe and mutilating injuries of the head and face in these small victims. Depending on the number of shots striking a child’s head, substantial portions of the head would be literally blasted away. The underlying brain tissue would be extensively lacerated with portions of hemorrhagic brain tissue protruding through the fractured calvarium and basilar skull, some of which would remain on portions of the face…actual physical identification of each child would have been extremely difficult, and in many instances impossible, even by the parents of any particular child.

We also know this, according to Dr. Wecht:

In one case, the parents have commented publicly upon the damage to their child, reporting that his chin and left hand were missing. Most probably, this child had brought his hand up to his face in shock and for protection and had the hand blasted away along with the lower part of his face.

Veronique Pozner, the mother of Noah, the six-year-old boy described by Dr. Wecht, insisted that the Governor of Connecticut look at Noah in an open casket. “I needed it to be real to him,” she said. The Governor wept.

Like so many zealots who forget that spectacular and unjust violence is, and always had been, endemic to humanity, Moore wants the public to see what his eyes — apparently recently opened to an age-old grief — have seen. Why? Because he believes such a visual feast will effect a mass epiphany of public opinion over the Evil Guns Do; one he longs for — since, he naively predicts, it would cause everyone, in an instant, to revile the National Rifle Association.

One who harbors the requisite zeal to share such vividly macabre reality-fantasies would understandably find emotional allies among the activists who picket abortion clinics with their colorful, bloody posters.

But not all gun grabbers who awkwardly fetishize their hated weapons fixate on the viscera.

A piece in the New York Observer indicates Bloomberg’s pathological obsession over guns in society is of a different, more obsessive-compulsive kind: He’s driven by numbers.

In his years building the business empire that made him a billionaire, Mr. Bloomberg developed a unique fluency for numbers and learned to view the world through a statistical prism. Multiple people close to Mr. Bloomberg have said that the figure he’s most preoccupied with is the number people in his city who die of preventable causes. This obsession with bringing down the death rate has driven the mayor’s notorious crusades against smoking and sugar, and according to John Feinblatt, the mayor’s chief adviser, it was a major factor behind his decision to step into the national gun control debate several years ago…

… Mr. Bloomberg’s anti-gun battle plan would be driven by data and paid for largely with the mayor’s vast personal fortune, allowing him to fuel the national conversation on gun control. Mr. Wolfson said this strategy “didn’t really crystallize until after Aurora” and stemmed from the mayor’s “real disappointment with the lack of focus last fall on this issue and the sense that the NRA had the field to itself.”

Like all liberal crusaders for social equality, Moore sees only the momentary poignancy and pathos of violent impact, too great a simpleton to see the scale of violence, over much time and in many places, that proceeds from the oppressiveness of liberal policy.

He sees only the individual tyranny of a fist to the face, a bullet to the heart. He is a fool. He does not see the slow, insidious tyranny of the coiling constrictor’s slow crush; of the State’s sterile, incremental co-opting of its free people’s self-will. Forgive him.

Bloomberg’s absurd obsession with such an unmovable stat — “preventable death” — is equally naïve. The mayor’s preoccupation with chasing down a number that relies so heavily on the bending of human nature explains why his policies on soft drinks, guns, cigarettes and painkillers take the legislative end-run approach. Forestalling the Reaper with legislative fiat requires a Nero-like hubris and a megalomaniacal madness. Forgive him.

Historical figures who’ve set their obsessive sights on some elusive Teumessian Fox running through their own minds typically don’t fare so well. They also, typically, make life — and death — very hard for many others. Forgive them.

That men such as these still inspire loyalty from citizen constituencies, that there are a sufficient number of moron followers who surrender up their powers in exchange for the suffocating lie of protection from mankind — it is an amazement, during this so-called Information Age.

For that, there’s no excuse.

Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • Vicki

    The OP writes:
    “Mr. Bloomberg developed a unique fluency for numbers and learned to view the world through a statistical prism.”

    This may be but there is a gun-control statistic that is so big that even Mr Bloomberg missed it.

    ~300 Million Americans didn’t kill anyone. That is a whole lot of prevention. Yet Mr. Bloomberg wants to punish the ~300 MILLION Americans for the acts of a very few.

    We can forgive him the oversight but only if he agrees to

    Stop punishing the innocent for the acts of a few

    Stop it
    Stop it NOW.

    • Mitch

      Vicki,
      Your response was beautiful and right on the mark. Hey, New York City is a gun free zone maybe next time the Mayor wants to take a stroll through the city he can leave his armed police escort behind. Totally safe!

      Mitch

      • 45caliber

        It always amuses me that men like these will howl and cry for the deaths of a few – insist that everyone give up their guns to save those who are killed – but refuse to give up their own guns.

        After all, what is the difference between carrying a gun and having a bodyguard who carries a gun in your protection even while you go to the bathroom? The only real difference is that you expect him to give his life to protect you while you are doing your best to run away. Then you can cry about his death too.

  • Don 2

    Who are the mass shooters? They are “Liberals With Guns!”

    http://www.theospark.net/2013/01/liberals-with-guns-wild-bill.html?m=1

  • Jim

    Pehaps Bloomberg and Moore shoud check themsselves into a gun free zone zone. A place that is a gated community no firearms are not allowed for the residenrs, armed security 24/7, periotic searches for weapons,all meals provided, free medical,clothing provided. I thing Levenworth Kansas Federal pPrison woud be the perfect place for them.

  • czman75

    Did not the final report exclude an AR15 from any of the shooting at Newtown?

    • Eddie G.

      There was no AR-15, Adam Lanza left a shotgun in the car and conducted his mayhem with 2 handguns. The rabid knee jerk crap about an AR-15 was to reinstall the ban on the same and magazines exceeding 10 rounds. Remember at one time liberals screamed about handguns like Mayor Bloomie screams about soda pop. The whole debacle about Newton,CT and guns is in conformance with Obama’s desire to disarm Americans. He admitted such in his first campaign but waited and has gone full bore with his fraudulent re-election. The Dummycrat party are in full support of Obama and his Marxist coup. Interesting how things were pretty quiet for a lot of years then during Obama’s tenure there’s plenty of “incidents” he needed to crank up mass hysteria over gun ownership. Why not all the same noise when another crackpot snuffed the lives of students in an Amish schoolhouse? Hmmm? The Amish aren’t members of the Dummycrat New Order of things in our society so those youngster’s lives were expendable just as the Dummycrats endorse the slaughter of newborns at the altars of Planned Parenthood.

      • TIME

        Dear Eddie,

        Please provide {solid Proof} that there was an Adam Lanza born to Peter and Nancy Lanza, { as in what method did you use to find his Birth Certificate, or that Peter and Nacy Lanza had two children.} We can find only a single child named Ryan Lanza.

        Thank you in advance for your response.

        Peace and Love

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Time,

          You write: “Please provide {solid Proof} that there was an Adam Lanza born to Peter and Nancy Lanza, { as in what method did you use to find his Birth Certificate, or that Peter and Nacy Lanza had two children.}” Well there is a death certificate. http://www.examiner.com/article/bombshell-sandy-hook-shooter-died-day-before-shootings Of course, it’s wrong. But that’s ok. There’s no “there” there, we are told.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Uknowho

        Bob,

        Could you please share with us who did kill those twenty children? You obviously know.

        Thanks in advance.

        Dave67

  • VENOM

    Dorner was a flaming liberal…

  • bee

    bloomberg and moore, they should be locked up together in a mental ward.

  • ibcamn

    Is whats happening is what always happens,the progressive liberals see the target of their hatred and get so focused,they think whatever they do in the process of achieving their goal is right!hence forth you have them twisting stats and figures to coincide with what they want the public to see as the truth!they lie to the public to get their way!they will kill family members and say it was just!they will attack your rights and call it just!they will take what you have and call it just!they will control you and call it law!

  • http://att.net ron

    mayor bloomsberg and moore, why don’t you do what you really need to do and litterly clean your city up and leave the responsible citizen alone. you take the guns away from the legal citizens and you will have to face your real problem on your own. i don’t mean this to be racial but everyone knows its blacks and foreign gangs that goverment don’t want to face and solve the real problem.so how about saving innocent civilian lives and do what it really takes to correct all these killings.guns don’t kill, legal citizens trying to live a decent life don’t kill. your attacking the wrong people. address your real problem .what your doing now is only going to get more innocent citizens killed

  • justtryit

    Chairman Moore’s casual description of what an AR (only) style rifle can do to a skull, is exactly the sense I get every time I hear his nauseating voice, or see his pathetic face. Moore and Bloomberg bring out the best in me; and they rank as number 2, and 3, on the same list as that stupid-assed leader of North Korea!

  • http://yahoo Don

    we read all the time in the news about the killing in new yorkk city, chicago, and washington dc. all byproducts of the very riches control wish on all of the in this country. right now there are statistic out there saying that crime is down. with concealed carry helping slow down crime, why should we be be subjected to the dreams and wishes of the ultra rich who think they can take over every aspect of life. common little people who would be slaves to them, end it now. get out and vote this scum out of our lives and we could take this world back with freedom and rights for everyone without a bloomburg or others of his status. the vote will still beat the buck. it is still our constitutional rights. its getting old being manipulated by bloomburgs and others of his statures. most of our elections anymore are decided by it anymore. vote and vote wisely people.

  • http://yahoo Don

    there is one answer we never got from blooburg yet. a few weeks ago a reporter asked why he needed a huge armed protective force around him out in public. he brushed the reporter off saying he was too busy to give an answer. one of the security asked the reporter for his id and gave him a little crap about it. it ended there. never heard another thing. its amazing how he needs guns to protect him yet we are supposed to lose ours. where would our deterrent to crime be. nowhere. common all powerful bloomburg, we want an answer why you need all that protection we want to know why you are so deserving.

  • Bimbam

    Ahhh, the world of liberal hypocrisy. Why do people keep electing liberals? Why do they keep punishing themselves? Ah, but I keep repeating myself. As Mark Twain would say.

  • Douglass Richards

    Again, it isn’t the gun it’s the person…the bad guy. There are more than ample laws on the books in this country to cover things that are evil an inappropriate. Heck, in California alone there are 58 codes of law, a full library. If our judicial system affixed the full penalty of law on the bad guy, they would stay in jail for a long time. However, the second problem occurs with our jail and prison system who just like to let everyone out early. Why does our stupid president and congress seem to thing we need more laws ? It is because they get the attention of doing something which has really been done years ago. It does no good to penalize the American citizens who respect the laws and secure their weapons out of reach of all. The firearm companies, ammunition companies and the state departments that issue hunting licenses collect absorbent amounts of money that are taxed and used for this country and its’ states. Criminals will get guns no matter what. Heck, even Obama and Holder gave millions to the Mexican cartels who promptly used they to kill a border patrol agent. Come on America, think this through!

    • http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/14/an-open-letter-to-the-elected-class-regarding-gun-control/ Steve Brown

      But, but Douglass…you just don’t understand. In 1993, there were over 23,000 gun laws on the books for the nation. Surely, heavens-to-goodness, 23,001 plus laws will make a difference. Just *1* more law und vee vill haff Utopia!!!

      Honestly, in light of the recent incident with the little boy who had inadvertently chewed his pop-tart into the shape of a pistol, I am advocating for PASTRY CONTROL!!! I was mortified at the sight of that terrifying, horrible device! It could fall into the wrong hands. It could even end up on a plane flight I’m on and I won’t even have so much as a Bagel or French Crueller to defend myself. Where was the Food and Drug Adminstration when this horrific event transpired???

      In truth, until people are really educated about this “gun control” and realize it is really “People Control”, they will continue to give up the very freedoms that many have bled to preserve. Liberal Elites will not be happy until every one of us is at their mercy and defenseless at the whims of every violent thug. “People who would trade their liberty for security, deserve neither.” Unfortunately, they are taking the rest of us who love Liberty with them…

  • Charlie R

    Who are the people who will benefit most from gun control ?
    If you answered … “politicians”, then you are correct.

    Now consider this: SCJ Roberts, the swing vote on the SCOTUS, ruled: ” … the Government has the right to tax, therefore the AHCA is a TAX and Constitutional”.

    The implications are astounding. With the “Roberts Ruling”, anything the government wants you not to have can be taxed out of existence (i.e. Cigarets & Firearms). In addition, the AHCA will have doctors surveying for patients who own firearms
    (specifically, so called assault rifles) and providing this information to their employer, the Federal Government. Resisting this government intrusion into your personal life, under the guise of “health care”, may place you on the terrorist watch list thanks to what is now the “Patriot Act”. In a nut shell, The FED has citizens “coming and going” with no escape avenue, save the next ballot box, and that is a moot point.

    OBAMACARE (AHCA) may be the tip of the iceberg that finally sinks the ship of LIBERTY. The sad part of this scenario is: “WeThe People” elected and re-elected a man who had no previous governance experience, has no negotiation skills and is very used to getting his own way, talks from both sides of his mouth, is a first class narcissist, and hell bent on financially destroying America. Other than that, one can say that Obama has had a profound effect on America.

  • Uknowho

    Maybe we should see Michael Moore’s letter complete.

    Wednesday, March 13th, 2013

    Friends,

    The year was 1955. Emmett Till was a young African American boy from Chicago visiting relatives in Mississippi. One day Emmett was seen “flirting” with a white woman in town, and for that he was mutilated and murdered at the age of fourteen. He was found with part of a cotton gin tied around his neck with a string of barbed wire. His killers, two white men, had shot him in the head before they dumped him in the river.

    Emmett Till’s body was found and returned to Chicago. To the shock of many, his mother insisted on an open casket at his funeral so that the public could see what happens to a little boy’s body when bigots decide he is less than human. She wanted photographers to take pictures of her mutilated son and freely publish them. More than 10,000 mourners came to the funeral home, and the photo of Emmett Till appeared in newspapers and magazines across the nation.

    “I just wanted the world to see,” she said. “I just wanted the world to see.”

    The world did see, and nothing was ever the same again for the white supremacists of the United States of America. Because of Emmett Till, because of that shocking photograph of this little dead boy, just a few months later, “the revolt officially began on December 1, 1955″ (from Eyes on the Prize) when Rosa Parks decided not to give up her seat on a bus in Montgomery, Alabama. The historic bus boycott began and, with the images of Emmett Till still fresh in the minds of many Americans, there was no turning back.

    In March of 1965, the police of Selma, Alabama, brutally beat, hosed and tear-gassed a group of African Americans for simply trying to cross a bridge during a protest march. The nation was shocked by images of blacks viciously maimed and injured. So, too, was the President. Just one week later, Lyndon Johnson called for a gathering of the U.S. Congress and he went and stood before them in joint session and told them to pass a bill he was introducing that night – the Voting Rights Act of 1965. And, just five months later, President Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act into law.

    In March, 1968, U.S. soldiers massacred 500 civilians at My Lai in Vietnam. A year and a half later, the world finally saw the photographs – of mounds of dead peasants covered in blood, a terrified toddler seconds before he was gunned down, and a woman with her brains literally blown out of her head. (These photos would join other Vietnam War photos, including a naked girl burned by napalm running down the road, and a South Vietnamese general walking up to a handcuffed suspect, taking out his handgun, and blowing the guy’s brains out on the NBC Nightly News.)

    With this avalanche of horrid images, the American public turned against the Vietnam War. Our realization of what we were capable of rattled us so deeply it became very hard for future presidents (until George W. Bush) to outright invade a sovereign nation and go to war there for a decade.

    Bush was able to pull it off because his handlers, Misters Cheney and Rumsfeld, knew that the most important thing to do from the get-go was to control the images of the war, to guarantee that nothing like a My Lai-style photograph ever appeared in the U.S. press.

    And that is why you never see a picture any more of the kind of death and destruction that might make you get up off your couch and run out of the house screaming bloody murder at those responsible for these atrocities.

    That is why now, after the children’s massacre in Newtown, the absolute last thing the National Rifle Association wants out there in the public domain is ANY images of what happened that tragic day.

    But I have a prediction. I believe someone in Newtown, Connecticut – a grieving parent, an upset law enforcement officer, a citizen who has seen enough of this carnage in our country – somebody, someday soon, is going to leak the crime scene photos of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. And when the American people see what bullets from an assault rifle fired at close range do to a little child’s body, that’s the day the jig will be up for the NRA. It will be the day the debate on gun control will come to an end. There will be nothing left to argue over. It will just be over. And every sane American will demand action.

    Of course, there will be a sanctimonious hue and cry from the pundits who will decry the publication of these gruesome pictures. Those who do publish or post them will be called “shameful” and “disgraceful” and “sick.” How could a media outlet be so insensitive to the families of the dead children! Someone will then start a boycott of the magazine or website that publishes them.

    But this will be a false outrage. Because the real truth is this: We do not want to be confronted with what the actual results of a violent society looks like. Of what a society that starts illegal wars, that executes criminals (or supposed criminals), that strikes or beats one of its women every 15 seconds, and shoots 30 of its own citizens every single day looks like. Oh, no, please – DO NOT MAKE US LOOK AT THAT!

    Because if we were to seriously look at the 20 slaughtered children – I mean really look at them, with their bodies blown apart, many of them so unrecognizable the only way their parents could identify them was by the clothes they were wearing – what would be our excuse not to act? Now. Right now. This very instant! How on earth could anyone not spring into action the very next moment after seeing the bullet-riddled bodies of these little boys and girls?

    We don’t know exactly what those Newtown photographs show. But I want you – yes, you, the person reading this right now – to think about what we do know:

    The six-year and seven-year-old children killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School were each hit up to eleven times by a Bushmaster AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. The muzzle velocity of a rifle like the AR-15 is about three times that of a handgun. And because the kinetic energy of a bullet equals one-half of the bullet’s mass multiplied by its velocity squared, the potential destructive power of a bullet fired from a rifle is about nine times more than that of a similar bullet fired from a handgun.

    Nine times more. I spoke to Dr. Victor Weedn, chairman of the Department of Forensic Sciences at George Washington University, who told me that chest x-rays of a person shot with a rifle will often look like a “snowstorm” because their bones will have been shattered into fragments. This happens not just because of the bullet’s direct impact, but because each bullet sends a shock wave through the body’s soft organs – one so powerful it can break bones even when the bullet didn’t hit them. A video here shows what the shock wave looks like in the “ballistic gelatin” used by experts to simulate human tissue. (Would Gabby Giffords have survived if shot by a rifle rather than a Glock pistol? Probably not, says Dr. Weedn; the shock wave would have damaged the most critical parts of her brain.)

    As horrifying as this is, there’s more; much more. Dr. Cyril Wecht, past president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, told me this:

    The kind of ammunition used by the Newtown killer would have produced very extensive, severe and mutilating injuries of the head and face in these small victims. Depending on the number of shots striking a child’s head, substantial portions of the head would be literally blasted away. The underlying brain tissue would be extensively lacerated with portions of hemorrhagic brain tissue protruding through the fractured calvarium and basilar skull, some of which would remain on portions of the face…actual physical identification of each child would have been extremely difficult, and in many instances impossible, even by the parents of any particular child.

    We also know this, according to Dr. Wecht:

    In one case, the parents have commented publicly upon the damage to their child, reporting that his chin and left hand were missing. Most probably, this child had brought his hand up to his face in shock and for protection and had the hand blasted away along with the lower part of his face.

    Veronique Pozner, the mother of Noah, the six-year-old boy described by Dr. Wecht, insisted that the Governor of Connecticut look at Noah in an open casket. “I needed it to be real to him,” she said. The Governor wept.

    The pictures showing all this exist right now, somewhere in the police and medical examiner’s files in Connecticut. And as of right now, we’ve somehow all decided together that we don’t need to look, that in some way we’re okay with what’s in those pictures (after all, over 2,600 Americans have been killed by guns since Newtown) – just as long as we don’t have to look at the pictures ourselves.

    But I am telling you now, that moment will come with the Newtown photos – and you will have to look. You will have to look at who and what we are, and what we’ve allowed to happen. At the end of World War II, General Eisenhower ordered that thousands of German civilians be forced to march through the concentration camps so they could witness what was happening just down the road from them during the years that they turned their gaze away, or didn’t ask, or didn’t do anything to stop the murder of millions.

    We’ve done nothing since Columbine – nothing – and as a result there have been over 30 other mass shootings since then. Our inaction means that we are all, on some level, responsible – and therefore, because of our burying our heads in the sand, we must be forced to look at the 20 dead children at Sandy Hook Elementary.

    The people we’ve voted for since Columbine – with the exception of Michael Bloomberg – almost none of them, Democrat or Republican, dared to speak out against the NRA before Newtown – and yet we, the people, continued to vote for them. And for that we are responsible, and that is why we must look at the 20 dead children.

    Most of us continue to say we “support the Second Amendment” as if it were written by God (or we’re just afraid of being seen as anti-American). But this amendment was written by the same white men who thought a Negro was only 3/5 human. We’ve done nothing to revise or repeal this – and that makes us responsible, and that is why we must look at the pictures of the 20 dead children laying with what’s left of their bodies on the classroom floor in Newtown, Connecticut.

    And while you’re looking at the heinous photographs, try saying those words out loud: “I support the Second Amendment!” Something, I’m guessing, won’t feel right.

    Yes, someday a Sandy Hook mother – or a Columbine mother, or an Aurora mother, or a mother from massacres yet to come – will say, like the mother of Emmett Till, “I just want the world to see.” And then nothing about guns in this country will ever be the same again.

    Pack your bags, NRA – you’re about to be shown the door. Because we refuse to let another child die in this manner. Got it? I hope so.

    All you can do now is hope no one releases those photos.

    Yours,
    Michael Moore

  • JUKEBOX

    I believe that the two Michaels should go to Chicago, and walk through the worst crime areas around 8pm, naturally without any kind of security. I don’t believe either have the balls to do it.

  • SH

    Democrats are not really anti gun, what they really advocate is that the biggest criminals in history called government have guns and point them at law abiding citizens for control

  • Tom

    WAIT WAIT WAIT, She was on FDA government approved anti-depressants, she couldn’t have committed suicide!!!

    There must be some mistake. The drug companies that manufacture these and our government that approves them, care about us. How could this be? Oh and guns are the problem?

    Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

    Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

    Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

    Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Jarred Viktor, age 15, stabbed his grandmother 61 times after 5 days on Paxil.

    Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

    Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

    A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

    Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

    TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

    Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

    James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

    Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California.

    Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

    Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

    Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

    Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

    Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

    Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

    Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

    Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

    Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)

    Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
    (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)

    Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

    Etc, etc, etc…

    Looks like I’m out of room for the rest of my comment. Move along, nothing to see here. You can protest all you want as long as you pay your taxes, HAHAHA! ;)

  • Uknowho

    The main problem around guns is people’s attitudes towards guns and violence as the means to solve differences. That needs to be examined and fixed as a society.

    There are limits to the 2nd Amendment just like there are limits on the 1st Amendment.

    There are good reasons why there are limits on both. Weapons made for war, have no business being on the street the same way that pictures, stories around child pornography should not be tolerated.

    Obama is not trying to grab everyones guns, unless you have proof in any legislation that that is what he is doing, that lie needs to end. We have guns in this country. Its part of our society. We hunt and collect and use for personal protection. That does not give people card blanche to get any gun with any sized magazine for max distruction.

    The NRA is not the political arm of gun manufacturers, they care nothing about our society. They want more membership and money to keep people like Wayne LaPierre in their lavish lifestyles and they care little how many people have to die to do it. The NRA opposes even the most common sense proposals to help law enforcement, our mental health services keep weapons out of the hands of those who should not have them and they perpetuate fear. That is mostly what the NRA is doing now. They should be concentrating their efforts working with law enforcement and to help everyone who owns a gun to be properly trained on the use and storageof weapons but alas… Its not what is happening.

    They do have a cool gun range in VA though.

    • http://aol CommonSense4America

      As a proud lifetime member of the NRA, I bet you wished you knew WTF you were talking about.

    • lbrac

      I provide this information in an attempt to clarify the often misunderstood history of the AR-15, as the original design was intended for civilian use as a semi-automatic rifle. While it was being developed, the military began a search for a select fire (fully automatic) replacement for the semi-automatic M1 Garand rifle that had been used in WWII and initially in Korea.

      Eugene Stoner, the designer of the AR (Armalite Rifle), adapted it as the AR-10 for consideration by the military using the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, but it was rejected. The AR-10 design was produced in relatively small quantities and were also made by another foreign manufacturer, who leased the rights from Armalite. A modified version of the M1, the M14, was instead chosen by the US military and it replaced the M1 in Korea. The recoil of the M14′s 7.62 NATO round was hard to control in the fully automatic mode.

      The military later decided to use an intermediate power cartridge, the 5.56×45 NATO, to reduce recoil and make it easier to carry quantities of ammunition. The AR-10 design was scaled down for the smaller cartridge and it was eventually adopted by the military as the M-16 to replace the M14 in Vietnam. Development continued and there are now additional select fire versions based on the M16.

      For decades since, semi-automatic versions of both the AR-15 and AR-10 have been marketed to civilians in both the original 5.56 and 7.62 NATO chamberings, as well as many other calibers. So the concept that ARs were intended to be military only firearms is false.

    • Freedom

      But alas, we need to be trained the proper use and storage of alcohol, prozac, tobacco, and other items that would take the lives of innocent people. After all Obama doesn’t have to worry about that, he pays somebody else to do it for him, and smiles, Hitler did it. There sure are lot of people out there that own a lot of weapons. It worries me to think they’re trying to protect themselves from the government who is trying to protect them. We need to start protecting our own country instead of policing the world. Let’s talk about the national debt.

    • Vicki

      Uknowho says:
      “The main problem around guns is people’s attitudes towards guns and violence as the means to solve differences. That needs to be examined and fixed as a society.”

      The fix is VERY easy.
      http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/marko.htm

      And proof that it is working is the United States. Awash in guns we none the less manage to have less than 0.01% of the people using guns for violence (good or bad)

      Think of it

      ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anyone for ANY reason. 300 Million. Yet politicians what to punish them (us) for the acts of a VERY few (less then 0.01%).

      Stop it
      Stop it NOW

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