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The Truth About The Israeli ‘Occupiers’

May 24, 2011 by  

The Truth About The Israeli ‘Occupiers’

Now that our dear leader has again shown his contempt for Israel and his sentimental attachment to radical Muslims, Israelis are feeling the heat from Jew haters worldwide more than at any time since World War II.  Obama’s modern-day version of the final solution is for Israel to simply cooperate in its own suicide by giving up the Golan Heights, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. (Predictably, he has since fudged a bit on the issue for political purposes.)

In exchange, the Israelis would get… you guessed it… absolutely nothing! The Muslims don’t even need the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. If Israel just gave the Golan Heights back to Syria (whom, we are reminded by Hillary Goofus, is ruled by a “reformer”), it would cease to exist in about a month. There’s nothing like looking down on your enemies from above and having the luxury of choosing the most efficient way to destroy them.

In 1967, after years of threatening to “wipe Israel off the map,” Egypt and other Arab countries finally mustered the courage to attack. They huffed and they puffed and… well, they blew their own house down, humiliating themselves and the entire Arab world in the process. Israel’s superior military forces crushed the puff-prone Arabs in six days, from whence came the name “Six-Day War.”

Since then, land annexed by the Israelis following that war has been referred to by the Muslim world and progressives in the Western world as “the occupied territories.” But what those who rail on about “Israeli occupation” of these territories either don’t realize or fail to acknowledge is that immediately following the Six-Day War, the Israeli government, in a gesture of goodwill, offered to return the Golan Heights to Syria, the Sinai peninsula to Egypt and most of the West Bank to Jordan in exchange for peace.

The defeated Arab nations responded to Israel’s offer by arrogantly declaring “no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel and no negotiations with Israel.” Hmm… not a whole lot of incentive for Israel to try to please their attackers.

An important fact of life that no one ever seems to mention when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian land dispute is that when you win a war, you take whatever pleases you (unless, of course, you’re the United States of America). When a bunch of lunatics who spend their lives focused on death and destruction threaten to kill you and then attack you, why in the world would they expect you to give back their land after you crush them? It’s simply not the way life works.

Here’s a tip to nations around the globe who harbor fantasies about hegemony: If you don’t want your land taken from you, don’t attack another country. Period. The Arab world needs to man up and take responsibility for the consequences of its actions. I think most Americans have passed the point of compassion fatigue when it comes to the Arab victimization game.

But there’s yet a harsher reality. Even if someone attacks you, and you lose, history teaches us that you’re still likely to have to give up some or all of your land. After the Normans invaded England in 1066 A.D., they didn’t negotiate with the Anglo-Saxons. They simply took over. And today, nearly 1,000 years later, no one questions the legitimacy of the British Royal Family.

It all comes under the heading of the Kick-Butt Reality of War, which is a subheading of life’s No. 1 rule: Life isn’t fair. Thus, it’s not surprising that neither the Maoris in New Zealand nor the Aboriginals in Australia ever got their lands back from the English. Although they are now independent nations, the descendants of their English conquerors pretty much run things Down Under.

The Maoris aren’t naïve enough to believe they are ever going to get New Zealand back, nor do the Aboriginals believe they are going to be handed the keys to Australia. Instead, the Maoris have pretty much fit into the Western way of life, and even the Aboriginals, who were treated much more shabbily than the Maoris, are making significant strides in acclimating to Western culture.

What makes the so-called Palestinian situation unique is that the Jews were already in old Jerusalem as far back as 6,000 years ago. But who got there first is a moot point, at best, because the city has been destroyed twice and changed hands 44 times over the millennia.

Furthermore, the Jews insist God gave them the land, and that’s a pretty strong debating point to overcome, even if you don’t agree with it. The truth is that the situation is so complex no one knows all the facts, and, worse, most of the loudest voices (such as those in Hollywood) know almost none of the facts. But some things are crystal clear:

Israel took a virtual wasteland and built it into a modern, democratic, wealthy nation that has given the world incredible breakthroughs in medicine, science and technology.

The so-called Palestinians have spent 64 years painting themselves as victims, living in poverty as a result of corrupt leaders (such as Yasser Arafat, who diverted billions of dollars in foreign aid to his personal bank accounts abroad), failing to engage in entrepreneurship and dissipating their energies by focusing on their hatred of Israelis.

Thousands of wars throughout history have left millions of people unhappy. Again, life isn’t fair, and the Kick-Butt Reality of Life always prevails, regardless of whether it displeases some people. (Think American Indians.) What I’m saying here is that the so-called Palestinian displacement is not unique. It’s time for Arabs to get over it and start focusing on living productive lives.

The “Mideast peace process” is a myth. When TV talking heads use a cliché like “jumpstart the Mideast peace talks,” you have to wonder if they are serious. The reality is that there will never be peace between Muslims and Israelis. How can you have peace when the stated goal of one side is to exterminate the other?

To make matters worse, we now have a U.S. President who encouraged the removal of one of our strongest allies, Hosni Mubarak, which opened the door for his beloved Muslim Brotherhood pals to take power. This, in turn, will likely lead to the abrogation of Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel.

Having said all this, I will make an unequivocal prediction right here and now: If Israel is ever destroyed and the Jews are banished from the Holy Land, nothing will change for Mideast Muslims. Nothing!

In other words, the fact that Jews now control Israel is a red herring. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, radical Muslims would start a frantic search for a new devil to blame for their dysfunctional lives. Nothing will change for the so-called Palestinians until they start acting like responsible adults and hold themselves accountable for their own failures.

They need to understand that when you continue to do the same thing over and over again, you are going to get the same result. Muslims worldwide need to start getting up every morning and focusing on constructive pursuits rather than spending all their time plotting new ways to kill Jews. To use a well-worn cliché, they need to get a life.

–Robert Ringer

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  • DaveH

    As Robert says “The truth is that the situation is so complex no one knows all the facts”. And that is why we need to butt out of other countries’ conflicts.

    • bob wire

      agreed ! but if one must ~ there must be some starting point.

      Any “starting point” will not be the final conclusion.

      I’d prefer to stay clear, let the big dog win and be done with the matter.

      win, lose or draw. Find them where they fell.

      • jose Rios Jovel

        If you were a DOG I would understand your comment but since we are talking about human being one have to be morally balance to speak your mind, don’t do unto others what you don’t want for yourself.

    • Al Sieber

      I agree Dave, we need to mind our own business and take care of our own.

      • FreedomFighter

        I support Israel.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • April

          AMEN! and
          SEMPER FI!!

        • Harold Olsen

          As do I. The media, though, doesn’t help much. They show themselves to be anti-Israel, not to mention anti-Semites, the same as the rest of the left. So-called news outlets, such as the New York Times, will not use the word “terrorist” when referring to Arabs and Muslims who kill innocent people. That would be politically incorrect. They, instead, use the word “extremists.” Yet, when referring to Israel who, for the most part, acts in self-defense, do get referred by as “terrorists.”

        • DaveH

          I am inclined to side with Israel intellectually, but we are no better than the Liberals if we use other peoples’ money to support our agenda. Those who want to support Israel should do so with their own money.

        • Old Henry

          Freedom Fighter:

          All one needs do is read the Old Testament to see what happens to nations that do not support Israel.

          Do you and your brother Marines now pronounce the “s” since we have all been corrected?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Amen brother. Genesis 12:1-3. Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed. The day we turn our back on them, were toast. Guaranteed.

          • skip

            Old Henry – ever hear of the New Testament? Give it a try – Christianity was based on it for while.

      • Verus Langham

        THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST REPORTS I HAVE READ ON THIS ISSUE; and it should be read and understood by all who want the U.S. ally known as Israel to survive…. moreover, if we do not understand that if we fail to stand with Israel (not just stand behind them) against the onslaught of the Muslim world we will ultimately seal our fate… we must understand the Word of God plainly foretells the future of any nation that turns its back on Israel is doomed in the end to suffer a complete collapse. Should we ignore the Bible and what it teaches us about this one seemingly small tenet? Either we join Israel in her valiant efforts to survive amidst the terror of Islam or we will capitulate to another unjust and corrupt world system of government; the United States of America will become these United States of Islam and the Muslims will dictate our futures, not ourselves.

        • DC/Tex

          I agree the US should let the world know that we stand with Israel and will fight with and beside them to protect their land from any one that wants to destroy them.
          That is why muslims want to take over the US, because we have stood with Israel.
          That is why America’s number one muslim is in the the Presidents Office and is doing his very best to destroy our way of life.
          The US should stop giving our tax dollars to countries that hate us, all money that is given to a foreign country should be donated by the folks that think they deserve it and make sure it does not go to the crooks and corrupt governments. Volunteer giving not being forced by our own corrupt government run by the Chicago crime mob.
          Looking forward to the 2012 election and pray that obama has awaken a sleeping giant. We must vote obamaisam out.

          • Old Henry

            DCTEX:

            “Looking forward to the 2012 election and pray that obama has awaken a sleeping giant. We must vote obamaisam out”.

            First, however, we must look forward to the 2012 PRIMARY and get the correct candidate on the ballot.

            I am beginning to strongly suspect that Limbaugh is nothing more than an establishment Republican in sheep’s clothing. He is beginning to trumpet Newtie (today) and not so off-handedly smear Cain and Libertarians.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Old Henry- I am inclined to agree with you.

          • DC/Tex

            Old Henry,
            At this point I would vote for a trained parrot, it would not have to use a tele-prompter and could out debate “O”ne “B”ig “A”ss “M”istake “A”merica

        • letitsnow1

          that is soooo true, we must stand with Israel, they fall, so will we. we must not give obama that sadisfaction.

        • Mary

          Nothing will change the future of Israel. This is part of God’s plan. You know Israel will not be totally destroy before that happen Jesus will come and will destroy Israel’s enemies starting with Egypt. Nothing is going to get better. No matter what we do. We are going to be dust by that time. This is just the beginning of pains. We haven’t see nothing yet. If somebody have any information about what happen when to the USA goes against Israel please let me know. I’m curious because an old man told that when Clinton was against Israel we had Andrew and when Bush did the same we had Katrina. The tornados are getting to close just 15 minutes from my town.

          • MA61

            I agree with you Mary, Obama and his allies (NWO,CFR,Bilderberg,&bankers) should all go to hell. They will not destroy Israel. Israel has a stronger and bigger allied. Not even the US can fight the big boss. If God is on there side who can be strong enough to fight them. Obama’s time will come and he will be recorded in history as the a fascist dictator and puppet for the gods he serves. He is a disappointment to his people, he sold his soul for the wrong reasons. The people of this great nation cannot take it any longer and things will have to change, real change not lies.

        • SherylS

          I totally agree with your “best report” comment. The fact of the matter is that the Jewish people only have one country they can call their own: Israel. True, a number of them live in other countries, but Israel is the only all-Jewish state. The Arabs, on the other hand, have a multitude of countries in which they can live among their Arab-speaking, Islamic neighbors. If the Palestinian “refugees” are still living in filthy, hand-to-mouth existence in “refugee camps”, it is their own responsibility. They have numerous other countries, where they same language is spoken and the same religion is practiced, to which they could have long since moved to start again. Their “I-am-a-victim” mentality is simply foolishness, and America should never buy into it! Hold them accountable for their own condition!

          • noonebutme

            Up until the 1948 Israeli Declaration of Independance (followed almost immediately bu the attack of the combined Arab League countries, the country which existed in the area around the Jordan river was called “Trans-Jordan and governed by the British. In 1948, after years of conflict, Great Britian allowed Israel to declare independance. The area commonly known as the “west bank” was part of Jordan.

            As stated before (so well) when you loose a war (as the Arab countries have done in 1948, 1967 ans 1973), oh well – sux to be you. Let the “Palestinians” (i.e.: Jordanians) go back to Jordan.

            Make the Golan Heights a DMZ (heck, we have one in Korea).

            No clue as to what to do about Gaza, though… They still shoot rockets into civillian territory every now and again…

          • http://Yahoo.com john the baptist

            I believe that all those palestians, and the other facist pigs need to
            climb back on to their camels and head east to the desert where they belong. They cry about being captive but have done nothing for decades
            about it. Why don’t their brothers(muslims) help them? They say they are peaseful and loving people,HA,HA,HA. The proof is in the puttin.

      • Patricia

        I agree , could not be put any better. I also think Mr. Ringer is biased

        • Patricia

          My mail was to Dave and Sieber

      • Gregg Weber

        If you believe the Bible then you will try to support Israel and be blessed.
        If you believe the Koran then you will try to destroy Israel and help bring on the Hidden Imam.
        If you believe the atheist then you believe that there is no “why”.

    • Mark

      It’s not complicated at all, Get over it, shake hands and make up and start moving on in a forward direction. The Muslims of the world are still stuck in the 11th century. It’s time to grow up and start acting like adults.

      • Kate8

        Mark – Muslims will never be ALLOWED to get over it, because they are kept whipped up in religious fervor and givin a “divine” mandate to rid the world of all infidels. “First the Saturday people, and then the Sunday people”.

        They are the perfect tool of the NWO, for creating maximum mayhem and death, and for reducing the Judeo-Christian population. Right now they’ve partnered up, but in the end the NWO, who only suffers fools as long as they are useful to them, will have to eliminate them, as well, as they are far too much trouble.

        The same goes for the liberal entitlement class.

        • TIME

          Mark & Kate,

          Saddly most folks around the world know little of the Muslim culture, so a basic insight; ( Muslim’s educate based on their religion, They Govern based on their Religion, Their laws are based on their religion. They act and think based only on their religion.)
          Thus they are a 100% Religion based format.

          The Muslim religion offers no PLACE at all for the Individual types, You know the ones that crave FREEDOM to do as they please.
          One must conform to the set standards of the Religion, and “nothing” else will be tolerated.
          Females, are little more than a chair or a empty box.
          Education is little more than to learn how to serve their Master’s.
          There will be no upward movement for anyone not born of that class, you must be born of a Religious class to be such. Thus anyone not in either of these class’s will never be anything more than just a simple cog in the greater wheel of life to serve your masters.

          The Muslim religion will not allow persons to not conform, again where is the Free Thinker in that format? There is no free thinking there is not growth its keeping the mass’s stupid and under control.

          Thus the Muslim religion really is not living in the 11 centry, its truly like living 5000 years ago, its not nearly PRE Historic thinking, it is.
          There are only two grade’s of people, the “Leaders,” and everyone else.

          So in America where we used to be free, Free Thinkers were found if you just extended an arm, saddy as of today thats not the case. We stopped teaching FREE THINKING years ago, thanks to the DOE and the NEA.
          Thus free thinkers in the USA is nearly as hard to find as in any Muslim country now.

          Its not the Muslims that have done this to the population of the United States but all the POLITICIANS who have sold YOUR freedoms away over the years for that special summer house or to send their kid’s to the best schools in the world.

          So, yes overall we have changed as a nation, we have in facts gone backwards and the Muslims have stayed the same.
          The NWO has your Telie rigged, your bank rigged, you politicians rigged, your life rigged.

          Thus the Muslims are the perfect fit for the never ending war where millions of people will die only to serve as a means to an end for the NWO. “POWER FEEDS on MORE POWER.”
          The America we all felt we knew is only a few short step’s away from a 1984 way of life.

          Thus ~ my questiuon to everyone is: will that work out well for you and your family? Is that what you really want?

          If so then stay the same and believe with out question what your leaders tell you and it will just all fall in place.

          If not wake up everyone you can. You will need to explain it all in very small bites; as its really just way to much to take in all at once.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Wow! TIME that was an excellent post! You summed it up quite well. Thanks!

          • bob wire

            Common ground is nice to find Time.

          • TIME

            Robin,

            I do try to make things simple and straight forward.

            Bob,

            You an I are really not all that differant.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest domedave

            Well said….a must ready for anybody that cares for civilized society

          • http://www.barrassoandsons.com Frank P. Barrasso

            I don’t believe President Obama is selling out Israel.
            I think he is doing an excellent Job and he well knows
            Israel is a strategic and important to the United States
            of america. Give our President a chance to do his job,
            what has any of there other Presidents done ? People
            like you just need to have something to write about and give
            your opinion on. I think President Obama is doing an excellent
            Job, maybe the leaders in Israel should learn to listen to him
            and change there attitudes…they sound like there corrupt anyway.
            Why does the United States of America have to have a solution for
            Israel…I do not see anything President Obama has done that has
            hurt Israel to this very day. Thank You Frank P. Barrasso

          • TIME

            Frankie duh Man,

            Its obvious that your meds are wearing off dude, perhaps you should go and pop a few pills before your little head expoldes.
            Or just get off the meds and try and get some sleep take a good long walk it may clear the cotton candy from around your brain.

            As well you may wish to give up drinking when taking your meds that tends to really mess with that gray matter, and it seems like you have very little left.
            OH lookie I made a funny, “little left,” LMAO ~ Hey I think I hear your name being called over at Media Matters, :-( and the Huffin on my Post.

        • TiLt

          The voice of vision! You’ve been reading my personal notes. The mideast turmoil will look like kid stuff after the Islamics of asia/east asia/indonesia get rolling. The legions of China/India/Russia (NWO) will sweep them away after their purpose has been served.

      • Old Henry

        Mark:

        After ONE THOUSAND years (That’s ten centuries for you Obama voters) do you really think they will change?

        I for one do not, and I think the time has come to play Cowboys and Muslims.

        • Edward Chandler

          Again Husein Obamer has embarrassed us in front of the whole world.
          Will he ever go away??????

          • Old Henry

            Edward:

            He has no intention of EVER going away. He has ensconced himself in OUR White House and fully intends to stay put.

            Today, 5/24/2011, he signed the guest book at Westminster Abby and dated it 24 May 2008!

          • Carlucci

            I know – ! Can you believe it? Ovomit apparently thinks it is 2008 -!

            I’ll bet those Brits are laughing their bums off…

      • letitsnow1

        thats so funny. you really think that they would grow up and shake our hands, really, they will shake our hands? i mean the muslims, will shake our hands, REALLY? not unless they can have our heads, after shaking our hands, really, shake our hands, really? wake the hell up, get your head out of your assand hear and see what is really going on in this world.

    • Linda Eppinger – Texas

      When will “Westerners” get it through their minds that — “Muslims Hate Everyone, even other Muslims” We will never live in peace with them. I for one do not even care to try anymore. If they leave us alone, we leave them alone. If they attack us, just kill them. end of problem, end of story.

      • Linda

        From one Linda to another – Right On! I totally agree with you. It’s time to tell radical Muslims living in the Dark Ages still that they can do anything that want to do in their own countries. That’s pretty much their right, BUT if they attack us, then they need to know they’ll be a parking lot. If there is one thing Muslims in the Middle East understand, it’s strength and power. They don’t respect weaklings and those who meander around the truth and plead for compromise. If you look them in the eye and say what you will do and mean it, they understand and will then negotiate or back off.

        The ones I feel sorry for are all the everyday Palestinians who have been conned by their leaders to leave in poverty as victims in the faint hope that someday Resurrection Day will come for them and they can return to their “homeland”. They have been pawns for indoctrination and tools for terror and war for far too long. Just think where they would be today IF they had collaborated with Israel in 1948 and formed a Middle East Union of States or a strong, multi-cultural Israel that worked together toward the prosperity that Israel has since achieved. But the leaders didn’t want that to happen because they were and are power-grubbing users of their own people.

        In truth, I believe that when Israel was formed, the new country asked the Palestinians to stay and help build the country. Instead, the Palestinians, many of whom would have stayed, were ordered by their Arab leaders to leave Israel and become refugees and victims for future political purposes. How sad and how mean that was. The Palestinians have been victimized by their own leaders ever since and especially when Israel offered real peace deals during the Clinton Administration ( 96-97% of what the Palestinians wanted – Arafat just said no to preserve his own power base and keep getting all the millions he was scamming).

        • Jan

          Linda, Double Right on.
          You hit the nail on the head. My Palestinian ex-husband has said as much. In his words — their biggest mistake was in NOT accepting the 1948 olive branch extended from newly formed Israel.

          Now, after nearly 25 years of American citizenship the former “victim” is a scary card carrying new Muslim convert – and takes pains to make sure he looks the part.

      • always right

        Linda, isolationsism isn’t an option anymore. travel time on a nuke-tipped missle is 15-30 minutes from there to here. Could a city evacuate that quickly? Not likely. Travel time in a tactical (suitcase) nuke from our southern border to L.A. or Houston is just a couple of hours. Travel time for Marburg, Ebola, Hemorragic Fever, genetically altered smallpox (drug resistant), anthrax, etc. is minutes. The carriers gets off one infected aircraft and moves to his next flight, to infect yet another group of passengers and he doesn’t even have to come to the US. All he has to do is connect on flights with US-bound passengers. 9/11 showed that isolationism has failed and will continue to fail. Like roaches and ants they need to be destroyed where they nest to keep them out of the house.

        • DaveH

          Who said anything about isolationism? She was talking about minding our own business unless we are attacked. Then we should kick butt, and shortly thereafter go back to minding our own business.
          Virtually every great empire spread itself too thin, and fell prey to the rabble hoards. Let’s be smarter than they were.
          Impoverishing ourselves with military excursions around the world is just going to make it easier for all the enemies our Government has created for us.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            I respectfully disagree. The trouble is already here.

    • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

      I’ll remember that should I see two people kicking you but!

      It is irrational to think that any nation can save more than a hand full of people from overpopulated poorer nation. Especially when most refuse to change their life style and blame the Jones’s for their plight.

      It is irrational to call mom a Nazi A. hole for giving people a ride back home to keep her home from overpopulation. It is irrational to think that any single payer social program will work best. It is irrational to think that nations can tax its way out of poverty. It is irrational to believe that a power convinced that you have nowhere else to go will do your biding.

      No one is going to stand in their way the template to convince people that a rational person is a very sick or stupid SOB must be removed first. And only you can remove yours. The misuse of Negative Theory must be taught to future generations.

      A true Conservative and a true Liberal agree on one thing though for different reasons. Any single payer social program is a nutty idea! Now each believes that it’s not so nutty as long as their side is managing it.

      We can destroy the power by replacing them with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens should they grow a greedy bone and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

      P.S. Have you heard of “you cut” @ http://majorityleader.gov/YouCut/

      • http://Google Glen

        HAY<<<< I am a JONES and I disagree with keeping up with the JONES'S. Start using keeping up with the SCRUCKENGUSSE's

    • Bert Cundle

      The truth is: The Origional Difination of ISRAL; Overcommer (s)! Many Take Offense to that! Another name for Government! It has been said, He that overcomeith all, recieves utmost victory. (But, He that realy overcomith all, hath NOTHING!!!)Isralies are not to be connected with or as, Jews! Jews, are the Citizens of Judia.

    • David

      Amen brother! I can not believe that no one sees or points out the hypocrisiesin this presidents word and actions. He began his term apologizing for what he sees as american colonialism and medaling in other countries affairs and what does he do, he starts helping his muslem brothers and telling another sovereign nation what it has to do in the face of its sworn enemies. Oboma is truely a hypocritical fool!

    • DavidS

      Amen brother! I can not believe that no one sees or points out the hypocrisies in this presidents word and actions. He began his term apologizing for what he sees as american colonialism and medaling in other countries affairs and what does he do, he starts helping his muslem brothers and telling another sovereign nation what it has to do in the face of its sworn enemies. Oboma is truely a hypocritical fool!

  • Another Voice

    OK, let’s say for purposes of argument that the US has the right to ‘lean on’ Israel. Who is going to put pressure on the Palestinians? Syria? Iran? Do you think for a minute that the Palestinians will stop shelling Israel or blowing up buses in Tel Aviv if they have a chance? DaveH is right: we need to just butt out. Don’t we have enough problems of our own? There will be no peace between Israel and the Palestinians until both sides actually want peace, period. It’s their decision, not ours.

    • Kate8

      Israel was created precisely to be a source of irritant in the Middle East. It was to serve as a port in the Islamic world, and a reason to create tension and war.

      Prior to the regathering in Israel, that area was a wasteland where nearly no one lived. It was never “Palestine”, and “Palestinians” were mostly alienated Jordanians. It was only after the Jews made Israel bloom and prosper that it became desirable.

      The truth is that the Arab nations WANTED to keep the “Palestinian” people as permanent “refugees” in order to evoke world sympathy, and to have an excuse for their hatred and violence against the West.

      This was all prophesied. It was also part of the plan of the NWO, and it is they, the world elite, who keep the US involved in these senseless wars. The American people have unwittingly been manipulated into accepting the role as world Bully at the behest of foreign interests, and have sown the seeds of our own destruction by poking into an Islamic hornet’s nest.

  • Anthony

    Personally, I see no need for America to hand over Billions in Aid, to Israel. That Country was bought and paid for under secrecy by the Rothschilds. When WWII was over, in the dead of night, they came in and forcibly removed the people living on that land. They didn’t do it in middle of the day, in bright sunlight. They did it when the kids were in bed sleeping peacefully… to a group of people that had inhabited the lands for thousands of years. When they tried to come back and get their belingings at least? The new occupiers told them they first had to have their birth certificates or they would not be allowed back in….. which is WHERE their birth certificates were, in the first place. The political chicanery involved with the creation of THIS state of Israel was processed behind close doors…. it was NOT an act of God in the creation…. It was a creation of the Ashkenazi “converted” jewish bankers… not blood jews. And, since it’s creation, NO blood jew has ever been allowed to lead that new state. These are real facts.

    It is also a fact that THE FED is run by the very same banksters, here in the good ol’ USA. It is not lost on me, that a very small country is who has themselves placed in positions of power here, for the express purpose of puppeteering our wealth and our power away from us, totally. They control Hollywood, the Media, the Currency, and position in Gov’t where no one seems to have the power to fight back…. and thanks to television, the masses are almost oblivious to it all…. Half the Nazi’s in positions of power during WWII were secretly brought over here and re-instituted into the same structure while the rest of the voters were busy celebrating… all true fact.

    No – I got no need to be bothering myself about some other little country that’s had a free meal ticket all it’s life.

    I’ve read enough to know those people’s who were forcibly removed in the dead of night….. they are the offended, the oppressed, the victims in all this. This perversion to the creation of Israel, is not the one spoken of in the Old Testament. Not by a long stretch. I’m certain enough on this.

    The current POTUS? I think he’s doing exactly what the Banksters want. In order for the full fruition of the NWO, armageddon must be hatched, to cleanse the planet (in their view). They need to depopulate the earth, according to the Georgia Guidestones. Whether you believe what’s written there or not.. they are churing up the planet in a foment for WAR. Every action you see and hear is not about peace. Heck, the Rothschilds could end world hunger all by themselves, being worth over an estimated $13.5 trillion dollars, as a singular family.

    No, this is about those in control of the Money paradigm doing whatever they sick & twisted dreams may want. And, the rest are just watching this game of RISK, from the sidelines.

    HOWEVER – they do worry that we might all see the truth in what I say. Hence all the FEMA Camps around America, just like what Jesse Ventura showed on his Conspiracy TV show… that stuff was no lie, including all the plastic coffins which would hold 4 bodies at once… it’s all true. Laugh if ya like… but enough american taxpayer dollars have been spent on such nonsense, it would have eliminated this depression we’re in.

    The problem is sooo many are sooo willing to think these words are just nonsense… they’re so scared to face that maybe, just maybe, they’ve been had all their lives, with a load of bull$hit the likes of hwich humanity shuold never suffer. Yet, there it is….

    I can tell ya this … it’s gonna get a lot worse, before it gets better. And, Israel will be the catalyst that causes it. In the process, the rest of the World, will think it was America that did the atrocity, not Israel.. and that’s how the Banksters always play the game. They get some stooge to step out front, with promises of (temporary) wealth & power. And, so-called patriotic (ha) americans have and will “sellout” their own, for the sake of an easy ride.

    I would hope that the rest of us can wake each other up and bause a unity which the Banksters cannot defeat … it will be the only way we don’t enter into the worst times this planet has seen since the Dark Ages.

    JMHO – Israel should stand alone, and the zionists in US Gov’t need to be removed and the FED erradicated… I do mean right now. A return to Constitutional (only) authority is needed, or America is dead.

    • Vigilant

      “The current POTUS? I think he’s doing exactly what the Banksters want. In order for the full fruition of the NWO, armageddon must be hatched, to cleanse the planet (in their view).”

      So your impeccable logic concludes that POTUS, wanting to marginalize, humiliate and ultimately destroy Israel, is acting as an agent for the very banksters that established Israel? You gotta come up with something better than that.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Israel, indeed the welfare of the Jewish (primarily Ashkenazi) “race” has never been the ultimate focus/purpose of the banksters. World rule is, and they have never hesitated to use the “Jewish cause” to their ends to achieve this. They care as much about “fellow Jews” as Maddoff did about the little old Jewish ladies he conned out of their life savings. Or Ben Bernanke, for that matter. That is to say, as much as Michael Chertoff does about national security.

        It’s never been about Israel. Israel itself has been a mere tool in helping establish the New World Order. When she has served her purpose, when the time comes to throw Israel under the bus, the PTB will not have the slightest qualm.

        Heck, look what they’ve done to the United States of America, and the dream that we once held out as an example for the entire world. Can anyone truly believe this well-orchestrated destruction was accomplished by a handful of narrow-minded Old Testament-thumping zealots?

        If Palestine’s a pawn in the greater game (clearly it is), the state of Israel has never been much more than a cleverly positioned rook.

        • JC

          Now there, is an astute observation.

          • Carlucci

            Very astute. He’s hit the nail on the head.

        • Kate8

          AJP – The story of Israel is a complex one, and while there is much truth in what Anthony says, you’ve summed it up pretty well in a nutshell.

          Anthony, the fact that Zionists (Rothschilds) created Israel for their own purposes doesn’t alter the fact of prophecy. God uses anyone He chooses to fulfill His Plans. Scripture says that satan will be in control for a time, not just of Israel, but of America and all the world.

          While Zionists are in the power positions, there are still many devout, blood Jews living in Israel and, eventually, they will inherit their land. This land WAS held by the Israelites at one time. They were there before Mohammad ever existed and set about forcibly enslaving the nomadic tribes into his new “religion”, and slaughtering all who wouldn’t comply.

          I wouldn’t bleed to much for the Muslims. Before Israel, they were killing each other. Still do. They’ve always been a crazed, warring people, believing that is what pleases Allah. After all, they claim to prefer death to life. The Zionists would have had a much more difficult time getting what they want without them, and the world would have been spared a lot of misery.

          But then, I suppose satan would have just found someone else.

          • JeffH

            Kate8,

            The Rothschild relationship to the Jews is deceiving. The family stance is publicized as “pro-Jewish”, and they have given abundant charity to Jewish causes. But their support of the Jewish race has, in most cases, been used for the sole purpose of controlling the direction and profiting from the Jews.

            The Rothschilds support those Jews who have fallen prey to the deceptive gnostic and occultic teachings of Cabalism, and in turn support the Illuminati controlled Zionist movement. Not all Zionists are part of the conspiracy, but their leaders are, and the ultimate leaders of the Zionists have been the Rothschilds.

            The following quote will help to understand the Rothschild attitude towards the Jews. “… the first principle of the House of Rothschild was to amass wealth, [and] the liberation of the [Jewish] race from oppressive restrictions contributed Indirectly to this end, since it would facilitate intercourse with the rest of the world, and thereby increase the possibility of financial gain, which in turn would serve to increase its power.”
            http://thisiszionism.blogspot.com/2008/05/house-of-rothschilds-and-israel.html

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Destroy from within…Destroy a nation from Within, and destroy a “race” from within. Nothing like masquerading as a Jew to slander and bring discredit to all the good Jews. Satan knows his business, hes shrewd, clever, and skillfull. He’d make a GREAT Banker…perhaps he is :)

          • Kate8

            JeffH – Right on.

          • Mike in MI

            Good, JeffH -
            The Big “R’s” are expert and absolutely (Devilishly so) ruthless at playing both ends against the middle. The middle is where they manage to put themselves to make the most profit and promote the Devil’s business…which is ultimately to get rid of every competing religion by playing them off against one another until he puts them all down and climbs atop the heap. Then he will force the remainder of humanity to worship him, exclusively, or die. They will be “branded” as in submission to him by receiving some sort of mark that will permit them ot buy, sell, or participate in things of life. Whatever it is it will cause them to become diseased in some way.
            That’s what all this seems to be coming down to.

          • Al Sieber

            Right on JeffH, that’s the website.

        • Mike in MI

          Vigilant -
          You tend to think in nice straight lines, trying to make a situation that exists today out of things that came from yesterdays’ and will keep going onward in a nice straight line of logic to a predictable conclusion at its extremity. You must be either a mathematician or an electrician who never had a circuit on which he couldn’t account for every input, resistor, capacitor, magnet or short or what have you.
          In dealing with the powers behind the NWO and the fates of Israel you’re not dealing just with the natural realm but with nature and the supernatural. If you can’t or won’t deal with that you’ll never know why things happen as they do nor where this all is headed.

          The world is spaghetti and there are two chefs throwing stuff in the pot.

          • Vigilant

            “In dealing with the powers behind the NWO and the fates of Israel you’re not dealing just with the natural realm but with nature and the supernatural.”

            “The supernatural?” Well then, that explains it all. And I was foolish enough to assume that I could engage in a rational conversation about NWO theory without resorting to the metaphysical.

            My bad.

          • TIME

            Vig,

            What Mike is trying to say to you is that your application of logic will fail when trying to figure out the NWO way of thinking.

            Let me ask you this, if you were in a single family the BIG R’s that hold well over 50% of all the wealth in the world.
            Please do keep in mind that all the wealth in the world is just under $70 Trillion dollars.
            So that means that they hold no less that $35 Trillion dollars that grows daily by hundreds of Billions in plain words Bill Gates looks like a Homeless person next to the Big R’s even with only what they make per day in interest.

            They also control all the standard media formats, the AP is owned by Reuters and they are ownd by the big R’s thus all media’s must comply with the outlines set by forth by the AP.

            Think way out of the BOX, only then when your as far out as you can get will you even start to grasp what’s going on with the NWO.

          • Vigilant

            TIME, I understand your point. But nothing you mentioned is within the realm of the supernatural. The tremendous scale of what you’re talking about is an empirical proposition, proveable or unproveable, but certainly within the scope of the logical and natural.

            When, however, appeal is made to certain unseen, evil forces outside of the realm of everyday experience, the discussion becomes stalled because argument on the basis of logic ceases, and argument on the basis of faith or belief begins. No argument in that discussion is winnable by either side.

            I reject any supernatural causes as a basis for discussion.

        • Al Sieber

          Good one Average Joe.

      • Vigilant

        Anthony blatts: “No – I got no need to be bothering myself about some other little country that’s had a free meal ticket all it’s life.”

        Knowing what we know of the Jewish Diaspora, the centuries of persecution and Holocaust, and the threat to daily existence in a state whose sovereignty is not recognized by any nation around her, and you have the unmitigated gall to call it “some other little country that’s had a free meal ticket all it’s [sic] life?”

        Your utter denial of history, combined with your absolute lack of sensitivity and human decency, place you in a category no less demonic than the NWO masters you decry.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Vigilant… I agree! The Jewish nation has not had a free pass on anything! The land they currently occupy was given to them by God. We must stand behind Israel. They are always expected to cave on the issues, getting nothing in return. They are God’s chosen people.

        • Al Sieber

          Vigilant, close to 50 million people died in WW11, don’t they count? all I hear is about the 6 million Jews that died in the Holocaust, their own people here in the U.S. sold them out to the Nazi’s, they wouldn’t help them come here, a whole ship load tried to come here and were turned back and their own people let it happen.they used their own people to their advantage. there are those that follow the Talmud, and the real Jews that follow the Torah.

          • libertytrain

            about 6 million people that were systematically gathered up, thrown into cattle cars and branded like cattle on their arms, then allowed to either starve to death or gassed. And the rest of the world turned a blind eye. And yes too many people died. Probably people you knew of and I know people in my family fought and died in World War II.

          • Vigilant

            Al,

            You are, of course, correct. There’s no intent on my part to minimize the horrible casualties of many other millions of folks, but this article deals with the Israelis in particular.

            Please remember that Germany’s treatment of the Jews was something that had never before occurred in history, nor has it occurred since. Never in history was a government involved in such meticulous planning, cost-benefit analysis, infrastructure construction and devotion of massive resources to the single end of wiping a people off the face of the earth. It was done as the cool and calm calculations of planners who turned the crimes of torture and murder into nothing more than a business venture.

            That alone singles out Germany as a pariah.

          • Al Sieber

            Liberty, I grew up with kids that went through WW11 in Europe, and I learned a lot from the survivors.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Al and Liberty,

            Did Six Million Really Die?
            By Richard E. Harward

            The most influential agency in the propagation of the extermination legend has been the paper-back book and magazine industry, and it is through their sensational publications, produced for commercial gain, that the average person is made acquainted with a myth of an entirely political character and purpose. The hey-day of these hate-Germany books was in the 1950′s, when virulent Germanophobia found a ready market, but the industry continues to flourish and is experiencing another boom today. The industry’s products consist generally of so-called “memoirs”, and these fall into two basic categories: those which are supposedly by former S.S. men, camp commandants and the like, and those bloodcurdling reminiscences allegedly by former concentration camp inmates.

            COMMUNIST ORIGINS
            Of the first kind, the most outstanding example is Commandant of Auschwitz by Rudolf Hoess (London, 1960), which was originally published in the Polish language as Wspomnienia by’ the Communist Government. Hoess, a young man who took over at Auschwitz in 1940, was first arrested by the British and detained at Flensburg, but he was soon handed over to the Polish Communist authorities who condemned him to death in 1947 and executed him almost immediately. The so-called Hoess memoirs are undoubtedly a forgery produced under Communist auspices, as we shall demonstrate, though the Communists themselves claim that Hoess was “ordered to write the story of his life” and a hand-written original supposedly exists, but no one has ever seen it. Hoess was subjected to torture and brain-washing techniques by the Communists during the period of his arrest, and his testimony at Nuremberg was delivered in a mindless monotone as he stared blankly into space. Even Reitlinger rejects this testimony as hopelessly untrustworthy. It is indeed remarkable how much of the “evidence” regarding the Six Million stems from Communist sources; this includes the major documents such as the Wisliceny statement and the Hoess “memoirs”, which are undoubtedly the two most quoted items in extermination literature, as well as all the information on the so-called “death camps” such as Auschwitz. This information comes from the Jewish Historical Commission of Poland; the Central Commission for the Investigation of War Crimes, Warsaw; and the Russian State War Crimes Commission, Moscow. Reitlinger acknowledges that the Hoess testimony at Nuremberg was a catalogue of wild exaggerations, such as that Auschwitz was disposing of 16,000 people a day, which would mean a total at the end of the war of over 13 million. Instead of exposing such estimates for the Soviet-inspired frauds they obviously are, Reitlinger and others prefer to think that such ridiculous exaggerations were due to “pride” in doing a professional job. Ironically, this is completely irreconcilable with the supposedly authentic Hoess memoirs, which make a clever attempt at plausibility by suggesting the opposite picture of distaste for the job. Hoess is supposed to have “confessed” to a total of 3 million people exterminated at Auschwitz, though at his own trial in Warsaw the prosecution reduced the number to 1,135,000. However, we have already noted that the Soviet Government announced an official figure of 4 million after their “investigation” of the camp in 1945. This kind of casual juggling with millions of people does not appear to worry the writers of extermination literature. A review of the Hoess “memoirs” in all their horrid detail would be tedious. We may confine ourselves to those aspects of the extermination legend which are designed with the obvious purpose of forestalling any proof of its falsity. Such, for example, is the manner in which the alleged extermination of Jews is described. This was supposed to have been carried out by a “special detachment” of Jewish prisoners. They took charge of the newly arrived contingents at the camp, led them into the enormous “gas-chambers” and disposed of the bodies afterwards. The S.S., therefore, did very little, so that most of the S.S. personnel at the camp could be left in complete ignorance of the “extermination programme”. Of course, no Jew would ever be found who claimed to have been a member of this gruesome “special detachment”, so that the whole issue is left conveniently unprovable. It is worth repeating that no living, authentic eye-witness to these events has ever been produced. Conclusive evidence that the Hoess memoirs are a forgery lies in an incredible slip by the Communist editors. Hoess is supposed to say that the Jehovah’s Witnesses at Auschwitz approved of murdering the Jews because the Jews were the enemies of Christ. It is well known that in Soviet Russia today and in all her satellite countries of eastern Europe, the Communists conduct a bitter campaign of suppression against the Jehovah’s Witnesses whom they regard as the religious sect most dangerous to Communist beliefs. That this sect is deliberately and grossly defamed in the Hoess memoirs proves the document’s Communist origins beyond any doubt.

            INCRIMINATING REMINISCENCES
            Certainly the most bogus “memoirs” yet published are those of Adolf Eichmann. Before his illegal kidnapping by the Israelis in May, 1960 and the attendant blaze of international publicity, few people had ever heard of him . He was indeed a relatively unimportant person, the head of Office A4b in Department IV (the Gestapo) of the Reich Security Head Office. His office supervised the transportation to detention camps of a particular section of enemy aliens, the Jews. A positive flood of unadulterated rubbish about Eichmann showered the world in 1960, of which we may cite as an example Comer Clarke’s Eichmann: The Savage Truth. (“The orgies often went on until six in the morning, a few hours before consigning the next batch of victims to death,” says Clarke in his chapter “Streamlined Death and Wild Sex Orgies,” p . 124). Strangely enough, the alleged “memoirs” of Adolf Eichmann suddenly appeared at the time of his abduction to Israel. They were uncritically published by the American Life magazine (November 28th, December 5th, 1960), and were supposed to have been given by Eichmann to a journalist in the Argentine shortly before his capture – an amazing coincidence. Other sources, however, gave an entirely different account of their origin, claiming that they were a record based on Eichmann’s comments to an “associate” in 1955, though no one even bothered to identify this person. By an equally extraordinary coincidence, war crimes investigators claimed shortly afterwards to have just “found” in the archives of the U.S. Library of Congress, more than fifteen years after the war, the “complete file” of Eichmann’s department. So far as the “memoirs” themselves are concerned, they were made to be as horribly incriminating as possible without straying too far into the realms of the purest fantasy, and depict Eichmann speaking with enormous relish about “the physical annihilation of the Jews.” Their fraudulence is also attested to by various factual errors, such as that Himmler was already in command of the Reserve Army by April of 1944, instead of after the July plot against Hitler’s life, a fact which Eichmann would certainly have known. The appearance of these “memoirs” at precisely the right moment raises no doubt that their object was to present a pre-trial propaganda picture of the archetypal “unregenerate Nazi” and fiend in human shape. The circumstances of the Eichmann trial in Israel do not concern us here; the documents of Soviet origin which were used in evidence, such as the Wisliceny statement, have been examined already, and for an account of the third-degree methods used on Eichmann during his captivity to render him “co-operative” the reader is referred to the London Jewish Chronicle, September 2nd, 1960. More relevant to the literature of the extermination legend are the contents of a letter which Eichmann is supposed to have written voluntarily and handed over to his captors in Buenos Aries. It need hardly be added that its Israeli authorship is transparently obvious. Nothing in it stretches human credulity further than the phrase “I am submitting this declaration of my own free will”; but the most hollow and revealing statement of all is his alleged willingness to appear before a court in Israel, “so that a true picture may be transmitted to future generations.”

            TREBLINKA FABRICATIONS
            The latest reminiscences to appear in print are those of Franz Stangl, the former commandant of the camp at Treblinka in Poland who was sentenced to life imprisonment in December 1970. These were published in an article by the London Daily Telegraph Magazine, October 8th, 1971, and were supposed to derive from a series of interviews with Stangl in prison. He died a few days after the interviews were concluded. These alleged reminiscences are certainly the goriest and most bizarre yet published, though one is grateful for a few admissions by the writer of the article, such as that “the evidence presented in the course of his trial did not prove Stangl himself to have committed specific acts of murder” and that the account of Stangl’s beginnings in Poland “was in part fabrication.” A typical example of this fabrication was the description of Stangl’s first visit to Treblinka. As he drew into the railway station there, he is supposed to have seen “thousands of bodies” just strewn around next to the tracks, “hundreds, no, thousands of bodies everywhere, putrefying, decomposing.” And “in the station was a train full of Jews, some dead, some still alive . . . it looked as if it had been there for days.” The account reaches the heights of absurdity when Stangl is alleged to have got out of his car and “stepped kneedeep into money: I didn’t know which way to turn, which way to go. I waded in papernotes, currency, precious stones, jewellery and clothes. They were everywhere, strewn all over the square.” The scene is completed by “whores from Warsaw weaving drunk, dancing, singing, playing music”, who were on the other side of the barbed wire fences. To literally believe this account of sinking “kneedeep” in Jewish bank-notes and precious stones amid thousands of putrefying corpses and lurching, singing prostitutes would require the most phenomenal degree of gullibility, and in any circumstances other than the Six Million legend it would be dismissed as the most outrageous nonsense. The statement which certainly robs the Stangl memoirs of any vestige of authenticity is his alleged reply when asked why he thought the Jews were being exterminated: “They wanted the Jews’ money,” is the answer. “That racial business was just secondary.” The series of interviews are supposed to have ended on a highly dubious note indeed. When asked whether he thought there had been “any conceivable sense in this horror,” the former Nazi commandant supposedly replied with enthusiasm: “Yes, I am sure there was. Perhaps the Jews were meant to have this enormous jolt to pull them together; to create a people; to identify themselves with each other.” One could scarcely imagine a more perfect answer had it been invented.

            BEST-SELLER A HOAX
            Of the other variety of memoirs, those which present a picture of frail Jewry caught in the vice of Nazism, the most celebrated is undoubtedly The Diary of Anne Frank, and the truth concerning this book is only one appalling insight into the fabrication of a propaganda legend . First published in 1952, The Diary of Anne Frank became an immediate best-seller; since then it has been republished in paper-back, going through 40 impressions, and was made into a successful Hollywood film. In royalties alone, Otto Frank, the girl’s father, has made a fortune from the sale of the book, which purports to represent the real-life tragedy of his daughter. With its direct appeal to the emotions, the book and the film have influenced literally millions of people, certainly more throughout the world than any other story of its kind. And yet only seven years after its initial publication, a New York Supreme Court case established that the book was a hoax. The Diary of Anne Frank has been sold to the public as the actual diary of a young Jewish girl from Amsterdam, which she wrote at the age of 12 while her family and four other Jews were hiding in the back room of a house during the German occupation. Eventually, they were arrested and detained in a concentration camp, where Anne Frank supposedly died when she was 14. When Otto Frank was liberated from the camp at the end of the war, he returned to the Amsterdam house and “found” his daughter’s diary concealed in the rafters. The truth about the Anne Frank Diary was first revealed in 1959 by the Swedish journal Fria Ord. It established that the Jewish novelist Meyer Levin had written the dialogue of the “diary” and was demanding payment for his work in a court action against Otto Frank. A condensation of the Swedish articles appeared in the American Economic Council Letter, April 15th, 1959, as follows: “History has many examples of myths that live a longer and richer life than truth, and may become more effective than truth. “The Western World has for some years been made aware of a Jewish girl through the medium of what purports to be her personally written story, Anne Frank’s Diary. Any informed literary inspection of this book would have shown it to have been impossible as the work of a teenager. “A noteworthy decision of the New York Supreme Court confirms this point of view, in that the well known American Jewish writer, Meyer Levin, has been awarded $50,000 to be paid him by the father of Anne Frank as an honorarium for Levin’s work on the Anne Frank Diary. “Mr. Frank, in Switzerland, has promised to pay to his race kin, Meyer Levin, not less than $50,0OO because he had used the dialogue of Author Levin just as it was and “implanted” it in the diary as being his daughter’s intellectual work.” Further inquiries brought a reply on May 7th, 1962 from a firm of New York lawyers, which stated: “I was the attorney for Meyer Levin in his action against Otto Frank, and others. It is true that a jury awarded Mr. Levin $50,000 in damages, as indicated in your letter. That award was later set aside by the trial justice, Hon. Samuel C. Coleman, on the ground that the damages had not been proved in the manner required by law. The action was subsequently settled while an appeal from Judge Coleman’s decision was pending. “I am afraid that the case itself is not officially reported, so far as the trial itself, or even Judge Coleman’s decision, is concerned. Certain procedural matters were reported in 141 New York Supplement, Second Series 170, and in 5 Second Series 181. The correct file number in the New York County Clerk’s office is 2241 – 1956 and the file is probably a large and full one . . .” Here, then, is just one more fraud in a whole series of frauds perpetrated in support of the “Holocaust” legend and the saga of the Six Million. Of course, the court case bearing directly on the authenticity of the Anne Frank Diary was “not officially reported”. A brief reference may also be made to another “diary”, published not long after that of Anne Frank and entitled: Notes from the Warsaw Ghetto: the Journal of Emmanuel Ringelblum (New York, 1958). Ringelblum had been a leader in the campaign of sabotage against the Germans in Poland, as well as the revolt of the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, before he was eventually arrested and executed in 1944. The Ringelblum journal, which speaks of the usual “rumours” allegedly circulating about the extermination of the Jews in Poland, appeared under exactly the same Communist auspices as the so-called Hoess memoirs. McGraw-Hill, the publishers of the American edition, admit that they were denied access to the uncensored original manuscript in Warsaw, and instead faithfully followed the expurgated volume published by the Communist Government in Warsaw in 1952. All the “proofs” of the Holocaust issuing from Communist sources of this kind are worthless as historical documents.

            ACCUMULATING MYTHS
            Since the war, there has been an abundant growth of sensational concentration camp literature, the majority of it Jewish, each book piling horror upon horror, blending fragments of truth with the most grotesque of fantasies and impostures, relentessly creating an edifice of mythology in which any relation to historical fact has long since disappeared. We have referred to the type already – Olga Lengyel’s absurd Five Chimneys (“24,000 corpses handled every day”), Doctor at Auschwitz by Miklos Nyiszli, apparently a mythical and invented person, This was Auschwitz: The Story of a Murder Camp by Philip Friedman, and so on ad nauseam The latest in this vein is For Those I Loved by Martin Gray (Bodley Head, 1973), which purports to be an account of his experiences at Treblinka camp in Poland. Gray specialised in selling fake antiques to America before turning to concentration camp memoirs. The circumstances surrounding the publication of his book, however, have been unique, because for the first time with works of this kind, serious doubt was cast on the authenticity of its contents. Even Jews, alarmed at the damage it might cause, denounced his book as fraudulent and questioned whether he had ever been at Treblinka at all, while B.B.C. radio pressed him as to why he had waited 28 years before writing of his experiences. It was interesting to observe that the “Personal Opinion” column of the London Jewish Chronicle, March 30th, 1973, although it roundly condemned Gray’s book, nevertheless made grandiose additions to the myth of the Six Million. It stated that: “Nearly a million people were murdered in Treblinka in the course of a year. 18,0OO were fed into the gas chambers every day.” It is a pity indeed that so many people read and accept this kind of nonsense without exercising their minds. If 18,000 were murdered every day, the figure of one million would be reached in a mere 56 days, not “in the course of a year.” This gigantic achievement would leave the remaining ten months of the year a total blank. 18,000 every day would in fact mean a total of 6,480,000 “in the course of a year.” Does this mean that the Six Million died in twelve months at Treblinka? What about the alleged three or four million at Auschwitz? This kind of thing simply shows that, once the preposterous compromise figure of Six Million had scored a resounding success and become internationally accepted, any number of impossible permutations can be made and no one would even think to criticise them. In its review of Gray’s book, the Jewish Chronicle column also provides a revealing insight into the fraudulent allegations concerning gas-chambers: “Gray recalls that the floors of the gas chambers sloped, whereas another survivor who helped to build them maintains that they were at a level . . .” Occasionally, books by former concentration camp inmates appear which present a totally different picture of the conditions prevailing in them. Such is Under Two Dictators (London, 1950) by Margarete Buber. She was. a German-Jewish woman who had experienced several years in the brutal and primitive conditions of a Russian prison camp before being sent to Ravensbrück, the German camp for women detainees, in August 1940. She noted that she was the only Jewish person in her contingent of deportees from Russia who was not straight away released by the Gestapo. Her book presents a striking contrast between the camps of Soviet Russia and Germany; compared to the squalor, disorder and starvation of the Russian camp, she found Ravensbrück to be clean, civilised and well-administered. Regular baths and clean linen seemed a luxury after her earlier experiences, and her first meal of white bread, sausage, sweet porridge and dried fruit prompted her to inquire of another camp inmate whether August 3rd, 1940 was some sort of holiday or special occasion. She observed, too, that the barracks at Ravensbrück were remarkably spacious compared to the crowded mud hut of the Soviet camp. In the final months of 1945, she experienced the progressive decline of camp conditions, the causes of which we shall examine later. Another account which is at total variance with popular propaganda is Die Gestapo Lässt Bitten (The Gestapo Invites You) by Charlotte Bormann, a Communist political prisoner who was also interned at Ravensbrück. Undoubtedly its most important revelation is the author’s statement that rumours of gas executions were deliberate and malicious inventions circulated among the prisoners by the Communists. This latter group did not accept Margarete Buber because of her imprisonment in Soviet Russia. A further shocking reflection on the post-war trials is the fact that Charlotte Bormann was not permitted to testify at the Rastadt trial of Ravensbrück camp personnel in the French occupation zone, the usual fate of those who denied the extermination legend.
            “When a Jew, in America or in South Africa, talks to his Jewish companions about ‘our’ government, he means the government of Israel.”
            - David Ben-Gurion, Israeli Prime Minister

          • libertytrain

            Yep, Coal, I’ve known a German or two that said it never happened. What’s your point? Kind of reminds me of your Mother Teresa post about all the money she absconded with — that wicked woman :)

          • Kate8

            coal – You could have just given the name of the book instead of posting it.

            Communists rewrite history as part of their methodology. You don’t thing “death camps” were real, or that millions died at the hands of the Nazis? Well, tell that to those who lived to tell about it, and spent their lives bearing the number-tattoos and the haunting nightmares.

            This is why commies have to wait until most of those who were alive at the time are dead and gone, so no one is there to refute their denials, and the few who do remember are ignored. You’ve fallen prey to yet another communist tactic. It also serves to keep you from paying attention to the death camps that are waiting for you and me as we write.

            My dad served in that war, and he witnessed things he couldn’t even speak of because of the horror. It’s hard for civilized people to believe what man can do to man if they haven’t seen it.

            You dishonor all of those who were imprisoned, tortured and killed. People, after the war, swore that they would never let humanity forget, lest history repeat. But people do forget, atrocities are scoffed at, and the clueless masses pick up the march down the same well-worn road.

            You serve your satanic masters well.

          • eddie47d

            Yes Coal Miner maybe there weren’t 6 million Jews killed yet if you look closer at your story it could have been even more. I doubt if most of the stories over the years are myths. Probably a few were made up to make money and those writers have no conscience. That shouldn’t take away from the real tragedies that did occur. Anne Frank did write a diary and maybe the book wasn’t word for word since she had died. That doesn’t mean her life and story didn’t happen.American soldiers who liberated these camps took pictures and recorded what they saw so what happened is real. Those who enhance this Holocaust tragedy do harm to history but the Holocaust deniers do even more harm.

          • Kate8

            Also, don’t forget Anne Frank’s diary. Many kept journals at that time, and some survivors wrote about it later, such as Corey Tenboom. There are just too many accounts of the horrors, and we can’t begin to imagine what it was like for those people except through their writings.

            How incomprehensible to live through something like that, and then have posterity deny that it ever happened. I can’t imagine a greater insult to one’s humanity.

            BTW, these things go on still today. Just look at Rowanda and Darfur, to name only two.

    • Hobbit Baggins

      I agree with Anthony.

      • http://personalliberty.com frank

        you would lol!.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Kate8 and liberty,

        Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on December 28, 1942, …. evidence presented in, Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard Verrall ). ….. As the holocaust of six million Jews in World War I was eventually …
        http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    • Penny Fuentes

      Anthony,Anti-Semitism is not a trait easily hidden.

      • libertytrain

        nicely said.

      • Vigilant

        Yes, Penny, but they’ll jump through hoops to try and convince you it’s not antisemitism. NWO conspiracy theories involving the Jewish bankers have been around a long time. And I have yet to see one that doesn’t in some fashion involve the “Zionists.”

        These antisemites believe if they can convince you that they’ve got nothing against Jews, just “Zionists,” then you will some how buy into their notion that their theories have a shred of legitimacy.

        Nope, it’s been blamed on the Jews for centuries, and it continues to be blamed on them by the Jew-haters. From http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=412 : “The Stab In The Back theory attributed Germany’s losing [WWI] not to military defeat on the battlefield, but to the intentional sabotaging of the war effort by Jewish financiers, socialists, and international Bolsheviks. Hitler would later blame Jewish journalists who fled Nazi Germany for inciting belligerence against Germany leading to WWII.”

        “To Hitler and many others, it was left liberal politicians and supporters, (German Jewish bankers and their international Jewish network), of the Weimar Republic who ‘stabbed Germany in the back’ by signing the armistice on November 11, 1918. They would soon become known as the November Criminals.”

        Hitler’s belief in the myth of international Jewish conspiracy, antisemitic to say the least, has now (once again) found popular voice in the NWO conspiracy theories. And much like the Holocaust deniers will have you believe that Naziism was not really all that bad, so too do the NWO theorists wish you to beleive that antisemitism is not at the bottom of their theories.

        • Al Sieber

          Good website Vigilant.

        • JC

          Vigilant says:

          May 24, 2011 at 9:16 am

          Yes, Penny, but they’ll jump through hoops to try and convince you it’s not antisemitism. NWO conspiracy theories involving the Jewish bankers have been around a long time. And I have yet to see one that doesn’t in some fashion involve the “Zionists.”

          These antisemites believe if they can convince you that they’ve got nothing against Jews, just “Zionists,” then you will some how buy into their notion that their theories have a shred of legitimacy.
          ___________________________________________________________________

          Have you researched “Zionism” enough to say things like that?
          The Zionist movement began in Egypt.

          I personally would rather not equate peacable Jews who are just trying to live their lives with these evil bastards.

          Going after the idea of Zionism while leaving the Jews themselves out of equation is not anti-semitism. It’s making a distinction and an important one at that.
          I have no problem with Jews. I do have a problem with a movement of cultists trying to control our economy (the Fed) our borders and our sovereignty. Why would “Israeli’s” want the US destroyed?
          Whereas we’re pretty sure that the Zionist Cult is behind globalism.

          • Vigilant

            Yes, I have researched Zionism. From its roots in the 19th century to today, it has never waivered in its dedication to a sovereign Jewish state. That’s what it’s all about.

            Any reference to a “Zionist Cult” is a reference to a hijacking of the term. Globalism and Zionism are polar opposites, not peas in a pod.

          • JC

            That’s interesting.
            The research I have done took me back to ancient Egypt to the time of a Pharoah called Aton. At that time and place a group in a place called Zion basically formed a cult in which they believed themselves descended from actual Gods. (many theories here)
            And that they believed that the rest of us are here to serve them.
            My understanding is that they’ve used a Jewish identity to conceal who and what they are.
            Now whether you and I believe this is actually irrelevant.
            The question would be, do “they” believe it and are they real?

            Like I said..interesting stuff.

          • DaveH

            I don’t know if Anthony is right, or Kate is right, or Vigilant is right, or Jeff is right. But, it really all could be solved by just getting our country back to the kind of Individual Freedom and Limited Government that Jefferson, Madison, Washington, and other Founders envisioned. Jefferson was right in almost everything he said. Central banks have proven to be a disaster for the country. Foreign entanglements have done us no good. It should be obvious to most that the standing armies have only made us less safe.
            We need to quit being led around by the nose by the welfare statists, and by the military statists. They (the leaders) are just using us as pawns to grow their Power and Perks.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, I don’t know for sure either but I do know you are “Right”.

          • JC

            Absolutely right DaveH.

          • Al Sieber

            JC, right on, thanks for your research. I always thought the word Semite had to do with the Arabs.

        • April

          The study is interesting, but I do agree with you DaveH. We need our country back to these basic principals for sure.

          • Carlucci

            Me, too. I’m in complete agreement with DaveH’s comments above.

    • LUTFI DAJANI

      Isreal was created by the U.S. in 1948 to protect its interest in the Middle East and to implant a fealthy object into the Arab world so it wont prosper.
      the U.S.A. is just like ROME , all evil empires will be dystroyed and Isreal will be dystroyed as well, no one but God only rules over this land and this Universe

      • bob wire

        The Arab world fails to prosper today because they are locked in a 12th century mindset and their ruling classes enjoy this arrangement. It’s very comfortable for them.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          I agree, you bring up a very valid point. The inverse of your point is that we ourselvs in the US are under a “similar” skewed goverment.

          • bob wire

            So true. Today in America, “deceit” is an art form. As what is sold and what is delivered opposite of the same coin.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Thank you for writing that.

        • fundamentalattributionerror

          If it was not for the muslim nation much of the greek literature and knowledge would be lost. They translated it and stored it. They led thought in the height of their civilization. One of the main reasons thier culture has not been allowed to prosper is because of britain and france and the other european powers that kept many of the middle-eastern countries from becoming democratic so they could have the oil and other resources in the region. According to a Harvard analysis arabic is by far the most sophisticated language in every dimension they studied. The Jewish government has enacted many harsh policies against the palestinians. How many jews were killed in the conflict leading to the Gaza massacre. Why was Lebanon destroyed for the retaliatory killing of 13 Jewish soldiers? There were hundreds of thousands of palestinian refugess after the 6 day war. The arabs were forced to take the jews there and they have been getting the palestinians to leave ever since. They have bulldozed their homes. They have set up checkpoints so they cannot travel or work. Ariet Sharon set up settlements in places deliberately so they could not form a state of their own. Now they build a wall that separates palestinians from their family, work, and farmlands. Gaza is like the warsaw ghetto. Lots of Jews have died at the hands of the palestinians but usually 4-10 times that number die at the hands of the Jews. The west and europe should never have let Israel establish a country there without the support of the arab states. This is the consequence. If Obama supports the palestinians now it is not stupid it is america finally being a leader. The support for the Jews has been abused and led to the palestinians being forced to live in appalling conditions. I totally support Obama. Peace not apartheid is a good book by Jimmy Carter.

          • combatvet

            How does one respond to your anti-semetic rail without acknowledging your complete ignorance of the facts skewed to support your baseless argument. There is no such thing as a Palestinian people……period.
            Palestine dates back to ancient Israel and is a part thereof. The Palestinians you speak of are nothing but disaffected Jordanians expelled from Jordan and forcibly placed adjacent to Israel to serve as a lever to push Israel off the planet. I find it interesting that your wonderful compassionate muslims weren’t able to find a mere snippet of land amongst the millions of square miles they occupy, to provide a place for these poor disaffected Jordanians, their brothers. Instead they continue to force them on the Israelis.
            Your love of the demented muslims, the most primitive group of knuckle dragging neanderthals extant on our planet, is comical at best. These people have contributed nothing to mankind in more than a thousand years, nothing except terrorism, intolerance, hypocrisy and a vibrant sheet business.

            The Jews have occupied this part of the world for over 6000 years and have been prayed upon by one demonic world and regional power after another. They have been slaughtered, indentured into slavery time and again, marginalized and threatened with extinction time and again, yet all of those tormentors, those who have set upon the Jews, those great world powers are mere footnotes in history while the Jews survived and in doing so were given back their historical homeland, have turned the desert into a paradise and are productive and military power in the world.

            Now American Jews are a bird of a different feather, they are suicidal and fundamentally Socialist/Communists, at least the great majority of them are. They are the antithesis of the Israelites and by and large are complicit in the behind the scenes sellout of America. Not all American Jews are self-hating political lemmings but the great majority are, just look at who are among the most virulent American haters in our criminal government. What is truly disturbing is that they support the fraudulent occupant in the White House, the racist in chief, who as a Muslim, hates them. A real head scratcher from a group of disaffected morons who have set aside the horror of the Holocaust and the words “never again” for a vile and despicable political agenda. These people are far removed from real Jews who have never forgotten………. the Israelites!

            So fundamentalfullofshitinerror take your anti-Israel screed somewhere else say hi to all of your demented knuckle dragging friends of Barry Hussein Dunham Soetero fraudulent spineless defacto CNC and haters of Israel. One sobering thought for you……Israel has one of the largest and most sophisticated nuclear arsenals on the planet, second to none. They could ruin your day and that of your muslim boyfriends in a heartbeat! Put that in your racist pipe and smoke it!

          • Mike in MI

            combatvet – (Thanks or your service, too. From one to another)

            Excellent post…but he can’t put that in his pipe and smoke it – it would displace too much hash. Thereby uncross his eyes and maybe get the camel dung out of his ears.
            One disputeable point. I believe

          • Mike in MI

            to Combatvet (cont’d)-
            that Mohammed lived in the 600′s. So their brigand, highwayman,theif and murderer of a prophet (a latter day Prophet of Baal, so common in that region) has kept the islamics locked in the 7th century which makes their failure to advance even more blameable on the corupt system of lies they follow. Or, should I say “chase”. I think there is a difference between chasing and following.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            fundamentalattributionerror<

            History:
            You are absolutely right.The Muslim scholars contribute greatly to science,
            mathematics, and astronomy.They even came up with the germ theory of disease,long before Pasteur. Another one of their sciences,cataract surgery. Their knowledge in mathematics were well reknown,particulary Algebra.Astronomy was a field they really excel in,the red giant star Betelguse was name by Muslim astronomers and yes their contibutions to science and learning are undeniable.

          • Mike in MI

            Coal miner -
            Now, are you sure you’re talking about the MUslims or the Persians and ancient Medean cultures? There was a lot the muslims had transferred to them from those areas of the world and the books from way-back-when – like the Western Zoroastrians who were scientists (not hookeypookey, flim-flammers like the Eastern branches that fled into Afganistan, Pakistan and India).
            The Muslim conquests and Empire put them in contact with a lot of information and intellectual property that they gobbled up – but there’s little evidence (for whatever reason) they kept it, expanded on it or transmitted it. They certainly aren’t doing much with it now – except what they’ve gotten from Western Universities for universal warfare.

          • Vigilant

            combatvet,

            Exceptionally good posting! My hat is off to you, sir.

          • Al Sieber

            Actually God was referring to a spiritual Israel, not the physical Israel.

        • Carlucci

          You got it. Many Arab nations never “evolved” because they lived in the desert and didn’t experience a renaissance.

          • Carlucci

            P.S. I was replying to bobwire.

          • Kate8

            Carlucci – It hasn’t helped that, with Islam, those who try to “evolve” are routinely executed, as mandated by their religion.

          • Mike in MI

            Carlucci – partially right.
            “…They never experienced a rennaisance.”
            The western world would hardly have ever experienced a rennaisance if it had not first gone throught the Reformation. A couple of weeks ago we were discussing the bit about the caged monkeys who had been influenced to leave the available banana hanging on its string by dousing them with water. Remember, TIME found it and gave it to Chip Wood who showed it to us all.
            The West had been locked in the Medieval feudalistic systems by the forces that controlled things for 1,000 years.
            Then along came Luther, Huss, Wycliffe, Tyndale and others who challenged the people to break the old mold and habits so as go for the BANANA. They shattered the old mold that had enervated and trammeled the minds of men for so long. Once that had been accomplished the Rennaisance was more free to proceed. But, had it not been for the fearless, forthright and powerful stand of those great believers for the Reformation period we’d still be in much the same mess as the Islamics.
            Thank God for His Word.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
      • JKO

        It was a British Colony and was created by them. Not saying we did not have a hand in it, but Britain was the one who gave the Zionists the land.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Mike in Mi

          Islamic Ophthalmology and Islamic Medicine
          … invented many subtle and advanced techniques for performing surgery on the eye, … Kitab al-Mansuri, Al Razi documented the removal of cataracts with a …
          http://www.experiment-resources.com/islamic-ophthalmology.html

      • wllharrington

        The US did not create Israel. In 1948 The area now known as Israel, then called Palestine, was held by the British and the only people in it were nomadic tribes. A large group of Jews, displaced from Germany, Russia and other countries were on Cyprus. They petitioned the British to give them back their land, which had been theirs historically. When the British refused because the Arab community protested the Jews left Cyprus and landed on the land now known as Israel. The land was and, when occupied by the nomadic tribes, had been for many years a barren desert. The ‘Palestinians’ made no attempt to better the land. When the Jews came in they WORKED THE LAND and turned it into a green, arable land, something the uneducated, noninspired, nomads had not done. It should be noted that all the wars that Israel has been in were on their land and only as defense against attack. The Arab community is upset primarily because they LOST every time. Th Arab community (read Muslim) will never admit that their resentment stems from a religious disagreement in which the Muslims,once members of the Jewish faith, separated and started their own religion. They resent that the Jews worked and improved the land to better themselves, the Arabs worked for nothing since their wealth comes from oil with which they had nothing to do.

        • Pete DiOrio

          Can anyone tell me anything about the shared history of “Palestinians” as a political, social, or economic entity? What common language, previous governmental structures,achievements or contributions to history as a functioning society? Thanks.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are evil for even thinking such BS.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Israel is not the cause of your problems, you created the problems. It is easy to blame someone else to deflect from yourself.

        • Jana

          Nadzieja Batki,
          You are so right.

      • kilrntex

        You worship the wrong God Lutfi. If Satan could destroy Israel, he already would have as we saw in ’67 and ’73. You cannot defeat Israel then, now or ever! Satan is taking you on a one way ticket home. You will have plenty of AntiAmerican Democrats to keep you company there. Be sure to take plenty of H2O, because I hear it’s awful hot there and there’s no running water! Meanwhile I’ll pray for all of you to pull your heads out, step back and compare Gods. Yours wants to kill, kill, kill and ours wants everlasting life and to forgive and love your enemy! I have a hard time with that sometimes, but I’m working on it. Think about it before it’s too late. The God of Israel welcomes everyone to his kingdom through his son JESUS CHRIST! Yours offers you virgins? Are those the virgins you killed when they were born or slaughtered in your countries just because they were women? Sex would be the last thing on a Christians mind when we get to Heaven as there are more important things to look forward to. All earthly things will be gone. God bless America!

      • Tom

        Some of you need to read some history. Israil was “created” by the British. Israil as a “country” created themselves, the US was just the first country to recognize them AS a country.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Tom,

          May 1948

          The first countries to recognize Israel were the USA and the USSR.

    • wandamurline

      For me, I will stand with Israel. The Muslims are wanting world domination. If Israel needs to give up most of their country, then why shouldn’t America give up the states that we fought to keep…ie…Texas from Mexico and the entire US from England, Your logic is very lacking…it will not work and Israel should tell Obama to go and screw himself.

      • bob wire

        “The Muslims are wanting world domination.” an inconvenient truth that’s very hard to overlook.

        Seems is a process of assimilation and up to the women to stop if you look at it a certain way.

        I’m guessing here but I don’t think most American women would have any part of it if they understood the true design of the Arab.

        But women, much like men are not always informed, or understand and willing to believe whatever they are told if told nicely.

        • American Citizen

          The Muslims have stated that their aim is to conquer the world. They don’t really assiimilate, only pretend to. If they could do it right now, we would be under Sharia law.

      • http://none Floyd Hardee

        I will also stand with Israel! They are God’s chosen people. This does not mean that he doesn’t care for the rest of us, but only a fool would ever turn their backs on Israel….their enemies are God’s enemies. Eventually most countries will yield to the pressure of the Muslim World and to the will of Lucifer The Grand Puppet Master whose puppets these slaves are. Some will willingly desert Israel, others will with great reluctance, but when all appears to be lost Christ will have Gabriel to sound the trumpet and he will lead his army of Angels and Saints into battle riding white horses. Armageddon will be engulfed in the blood of Lucifer’s mighty army. Yes there will be a great earth quake and it will swallow up an entire army of Israel’s enemies all at one time. When all of these battles are concluded, Michael will capture Lucifer and bind him fast. He will be thrown into a bottomless pit and it will be sealed for one thousand years. Christ will rule with an iron hand and there will be peace and plenty in the land. After the thousand years Lucifer will be loosened for a short season and he will once again try to stir up a following. This uprising will quickly be put down and he (Lucifer) and his evil followers will be judged and then cast into The Lake of Fire. All of this that I say can be found in Revelations in the KJV of the bible. It is God’s word and his word will be fulfilled!

        • Al Sieber

          Yeah sure Floyd, then what does Revelation 2:9 & Revelation 3:9 mean? the old testament was talking about the Jews of old being God’s chosen people.

          • Bruce Btotnov

            Al – you need to understand that Rev 2:9 and 3:9 are part of the discussions of 7 different types of churches and can even be tracked as a trend in the church type of today. However between chapter 4 and 6 there is the translation of the church (body of Christ) out of here at the Rapture. The Antichrist appears in Chapter 6 and then most of the remaining chapters deal with the 7 year tribulation period culminating in the Battle of Armegeddon.

            The Old Testament is still valid today although we are in the dispensation of Grace and times of the Gentiles since the Jews rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah. However God told Abraham that he would bless those (nations) who bless thee and curse those who curse thee. That was an eternal covenant with Abraham and his seed. Woe be to the US for turning its back on Israel.

          • Jana

            Thank you Bruce, Great reply.

          • Al Sieber

            Bruce, woe be to the U.S.A. for turning it’s back on God, Israel has nothing to to with it.

      • kilrntex

        Wanda, you took the words right out of my mouth!

        • http://certus-certus.blogspot.com Raymond Harbin

          ” The gifts and callings of God are without repentance.” Declares God’s people of the past are God’s people in the present and God’s people of the future. I am 73. I noticed as a lad of 7 that the people called “anti-Semites” were different from most other people with whom I had any contact. At the age of 5 I was an avid reader– reading the front page, as well as the funnies. I often saw the name “Hitler”, but in 1942 there was little to read in any newspaper of his anti-Semitism, but I had a strange, ill defined fear of him – in news articles. He was always angry in newsreels, and like the adults I had over heard condemning Jews, the more he said, the angrier he became. I was a little guy of virtually no Christian training or influence except Mom’s brief bible stories– but by about 8 or 9 I discovered with no parental coaching that the word “Satanic” best categorized these haters of Jewish people– and at 73 I have not been able to choose a more apt adjective. Even a casual study of Jewish history, from Moses to Jesus to tonight’s news outlets will convince an unbiased, literate mind that the Jew survives today by the power of the Judeo/Christian God. Their’ s is a history of constant suffering but ethnically maintained by a greater number of miracles. It is a very dangerous habit to embrace people, or nations who hate Jews. We, as Americans do not understand radical Muslims.I have known many in earlier businesses with Jordan and other Arab States. None of our clever American cliches or common social/political definitions, fit the leaders of these states.
          How do you successfully deal with a mentality that interpret your every kindness as an act of fear and weakness. What chance is there in military negotiation after finding: THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS ALSO MY ENEMY.

    • UPCHUCK

      I have no love for our present leader, however, even a broken clock is right twice a day. It’s an open secret that the Israeliphiles are in charge of our Congress, so I don’t believe it’s going anywhere. We can always hope.

      • Vigilant

        Open secret my a$$! Got even one factual, legitimate source for your shopworn antisemitic BS?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What rock have you crawled from under.

        • Push comes to shove

          No rock, he was UPCHUCKed along the hatred he spews.

    • Conservative at Birth

      You obviously hate Hebrews. Why, I must ask?

      • babybikerbabe

        Not from what I read.

        The majority of people are not educated enough to understand the difference between a Jew and an Isrealite. Not all Isrealites are Jews and not all Jews are Isrealites.

        You have to know your Old Testament and follow the lineage of the Edomites. Go do some reading.

        I am an Isrealite and I am not a Jew.

        Also – I am sick and tired of pundits and talking heads claiming that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian “principles”, “philosophies”, etc….

        That is BLANTANTLY false – this country was founded on CHRISTIAN principles. Leave the Judeo part alone.

        • http://WeThePeople Jean

          If you leave the Judeo Part alone – then you do not believe in the Old Testament. If you do not believe in the Old Testament – then the New Testament has no meaning as well.

          Begone you satanic BS

          • http://certus-certus.blogspot.com Raymond Harbin

            JEAN– SUPERB! JESUS WAS JEWISH– HIS BIRTH, DEATH–REASON FOR HIS EARTHLY PRESENCE ARE TRACED FROM THE O.T.– TO THE EARLIEST CHRISTIANS PAUL, MATHEW, LUKE, MARK…AD INFINITUM THE O.T. WAS THEIR BIBLE–THEIR ONLY BIBLE.

            AND THEY CONSTANTLY REFERENCED IT– THEIR GOD (AND OURS) IS THE GOD OF BOTH TESTAMENTS.

            SOME FOLKS SIMPLY TALK OF STUFF –COMPLETELY OVER THEIR HEADS– BECAUSE THE ARE FOND OF THE SOUND OF THEIR VOICES. AND THEIR WRITINGS HAVE A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE HERE.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So now you are a Jewish wanabe, replacing the Jews. So if the Jews are killed off, you will take their place.

        • Vigilant

          Don’t look now, but babybikerbabe just removed the Ten Commandments from all the places it’s posted in this country (Supreme Court, etc.).

          She says, laughably, “I am an Isrealite and I am not a Jew.”

          She can’t even spell her nationality correctly. I think we have a poser here….

        • American Citizen

          Christians are nothing less that completed Jews. Christian principles are based on Jewish principles as Jesus Christ was and always will be a Jew. He never renounced His Judaism. He is the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

          • http://certus-certus.blogspot.com Raymond Harbin

            YOU TRUNCATE HIS REALITY–”BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS–I AM.” JESUS HAD NO RELIGION– HE DIDN’T NEED ONE. HE HAD NO SIN TO BE COVERED BY HIS BLOOD– HAD HE– HIS BLOOD WOULD NOT WASH AWAY OUR SINS. HE WAS A MAN BUT TOTALLY GOD. IF THE BIBLE TOLD US THINGS COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD, IT WOULD NOT HAVE PROCEEDED FROM GOD–OUR FAITH, A GIFT OF GOD, COVERS OUR LACK OF FULL KNOWLEDGE “…NOW, WE KNOW IN PART, BUT THEN, WE SHALL KNOW AS WE ARE KNOWN.” AMEN

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Anthony,

      I agree with you,there is no historical evidence it ever belong to the Jews.
      Even some Rabbis will back up what I am saying,such as Rabbi Elmer Berger and many more.You wrote a very good article.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you are another anti-semite.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        coal miner… You aren’t a Bible reader are you?

        • JeffH

          Robin, yeah, the Satanic Bible no doubt.

          • Jana

            Robin, coal miner reads from the Skeptics Bible. This is a false bible.

          • April

            LOL!! Sorry but this one is hard to resist. Jana and Jeff H, could it be the septic bible he reads, ya know, for the putrefacation precess of the mind??

          • April

            process that is

      • Jan

        The Jews are one of the 10 Tribes of Israel

        • April

          Actually, there are 13 tribes broken into two houses. The House of Judah: which consist mostly of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and some of Levi brought along for leturgical duties;many of which stayed there in Israel; except the daughters of Zedekiah which went to Egypt, and then to Scone, Scotland. And then there is the house of Israel which make up the 10 lost tribes. Most of these tribes went north over the Caucuses Mountains and spread across Europe becomming many of the Germanic tribes.

    • Bernard Johnson

      Hear Hear. Pretty soon the American people will wake up and see the atrocities that the rest of the world already sees going on in the middle east sine 1948.

      A good friend of mine said the reason everything is OK with the European take over of the USA 300 years ago was because all of the rightful dwekers were NOT displacded but were pretty much killed – genocide.

      The mistake of the US and the Jews they cater too was NOT killing all of the Palestinians in 1948, and this is why now there is such a huge problem.

      9-11 and other various attacks are due to US foreign support of Israel. Go to YouTube and search on either “What motivated the 9/11 hijackers” or “Purpose of the 9/11 Attacks”

      It is not because of “freedom”.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Stupid, stupid, anti-semite.

        • Robinson

          Intelligent response

        • Al Sieber

          Nadzieja B, so if you don’t agree with everything Israel does you’re a anti-semite? is that all you can ever come up with? nothing intelligent? just you’re a anti-semite, what logic.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Then you define anti-semite. I would like to read your definition. Don’t use the dictionary,as I do know what the dictionary definition is.

      • JC

        What Hijackers? It was an inside job…or did hijackers plant all the explosives inside the towers too?

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          JC… Really? Are you able to offer proof of that?

          • JC

            Suggest you do your own homework.
            The buildings were obviously wired with explosives.
            And there are so many holes in the official story that is is laughable.

        • Carlucci

          I believe 911 was an inside job, too. Too many inconsistencies to the “official” story, which came out of….oh yeah, D.C. Just like this OBL nonsense, nothing but a pack of lies, lies, lies.

          BTW – Has anyone noticed the “pizza face” to the right of the screen? Watch that little film that goes with it if you haven’t already. I’m sure it is another photoshop. Dead people cannot keep their mouths closed – all muscle control everywhere goes slack.

        • Al Sieber

          You got that right JC, I did the research.

    • Steve

      Anthony, another Jew hater who prays to a Jew for salvation. LOL.

    • Al Sieber

      Very well put Anthony, I’m glad someone finally brought up the truth about what really happened, I know we have some people with dual citizenship (Israelis) running our Govt., and some control the media etc. and if you speak out about this you’re branded a anti-semite,if you disagree with anything Israel does you’re a anti-semite, that’s how brain washed we are. read the book “the Israeli Lobby”, this is a subject nobody will touch.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are as stupid as a rock, but then I would be insulting rocks.

        • Al Sieber

          Nadzieja, if that’s your best shot you’re in trouble, very intelligent come back, flattery will get you no where. you can do better then that. it’s apparent you don’t do your research, or read very much.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            If the post is so un-intelligent why are you reading it and responding to it. Is someone holding you captive at the keyboard.
            What am I not reading that would satisfy you if I did?

    • Colleen

      What? Did you not read the article? If you did and disagree with the facts, did you bother to do any research on your own? Most likely not as you only chose to voice your own markedly flawed and biased opinions and anti-Semitic rantings!
      Get over it. It is stated very clearly in the Bible that God gave that land to the Jews as his chosen people. And the Arabs have been trying to wipe them out since then. Names have changed and Islam sprang up as a result of that hatred and envy.
      Your views of the “Zionists” is very telling and disgusting in it’s bias.
      We support Israel because it is the ONLY democracy in that whole region of vipers, despots, and self-serving dictators.
      Israel was attacked by the Arabs in a pathetic attempt to kill all Jews. Well, the fact of the matter is that the Arabs got their butts kicked.
      Israel never kicked the Arabs out….they ran because they were told to do so by their “leaders” who told them the Jews were coming to kill them all. Again another lie to inflame the fires of hatred by Arabs toward the Jewish peoples.
      The only thing missing in this article about the Arabs getting a life and moving on to a productive civilization: they cannot do it. They are stuck in the 7th century with clerics and dictators who want to keep their people stuck in that mindset of poverty, ignorance, illiteracy. Very few of their people get out, get an education and make something of themselves and actually have a productive and happy, free life.
      So…..you need to grow up, get some REAL education and try to not whine too much about how Israel has grown and prospered. Your class warfare is just plain tired and stupid.

      • Bernard Johnson

        Facts? Your bible is not my bible. My Bible says the US really belongs to me and other native americans and that god promised it to us. So with China backing us we will take it back – the native american state – we will only take a quarter of the US back – for now. In a few years more. And then more. And then you all can live in a concentration camp in Kansas, we’ll put up a wall, kill your children and refuse you supplies. Then when a few renegade “americans” bomb the Twin Towers of Beijing as a way to wake up the Chinese as to the atrocities in Kansas caused by the Chinese government backing the Native American occupation in the US, when interviewed, the Chinese president can say “the Americans in Kansas did this to our towers because they hate our communism.”

        Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and realize yours is not the only bible nor the only point of view. How about the 1947 borders? Or borders of 1900? or 1800 or 1700? or 1600?, or 1500? or 1400? or 1300?, or 1200, ……

        • DaveH

          Okay. So humans(mostly leaders) have acted atrociously in the past. What’s new? The best we can do is agree to behave morally now and in the future, and eliminate Force from our society to the fullest extent possible.
          There could be no better world than that created by voluntary transactions between humans with no coercion by parties outside the tranactions’ participants. It would be a world where people respected the rights of others to control their own bodies and own property (that includes money), and where people would be subject to discipline by other human beings only when they have trespassed on the bodies and property of others.
          It would be a world where Government’s prime mission would be to protect people from the force of others. It would be a world where men and women in Government obeyed the same rules of morality that men and women on Mainstreet must obey.
          It would be a peaceful world. It would be a prosperous world. It would be a Libertarian world.

          • Kate8

            Bernard – That attitude is one that has been fostered by Liberals to create even more division.

            EVERY NATION on the Earth has experienced the effects of human migration. It is the way of life. Not one single continent is inhabited by it’s indigenous people. Even the Native Americans migrated here from somewhere. Earth has had people moving around for millenia, civilization cycle after cycle. And will continue to do so.

            We’ve been sold a bill of goods, as far as Earth history, in order to keep us resenting one another. Sure, atrocities are committed, people are displaced…but, in serving the communist agenda, we’ve been taught that caucasians are the scourge of the Earth and everyone else lived in harmony with the Earth and each other. It’s total BS, but it keeps the racial wars stoked, even though none of us were even around then. And other peoples are coming still, changing the face of America yet again.

            For some reason, we in America get singled out as being interlopers.
            I guess it just depends on how far back one wants to go in determining who was there first, because you will always find someone who came earlier.

            Gee. Where I live was, only a few years ago, a peaceful bastion of conservatism. Now the liberals have swarmed in and ruined everything. I know a lot of folks who would have liked to keep them out, and would kick them out, still.

          • American Citizen

            Even the Indian tribes fought one another. There will always be tension between nations, even those who are friendly towards one another. Look at what is happening right now because of the monetary situation around the world. Obama is adept at making our friends suspicious of us.

          • Robinson

            To Kate8 “EVERY NATION on the Earth has experienced the effects of human migration. It is the way of life.” – The issue we are speaking of has nothing to do with ancient history or what was promised by a god in legendary times. This is as recent as 1948/1967/2000/today.

            This isn’t the dark ages and we are no longer cavemen. Your argument is good at explaining the errors of our ancestors. Native American Indians were displaced from their land 100-400 years ago. Jews from Israel over 2000 years ago. That argument is really no longer valid. I have more respect for the Native American Indian argument.

            The simple fact is Palestine was Palestine in the eyes of the world before 1948, on every map, and before the American Indians were exterminted/displaced. Nothing to do with God. I am talking politics and recorded history – recent history.

            Just because displacement (or “migration” as you dressed it up) was done many times by other nations long long ago (the times you cite) or even now by other nations(if at all), does make not more than a tenuous point at best.

            I didn’t even mention any of the atrocities comitted by Israel against the Palestinians, nor did I name call or act anti semitic.

          • Kate8

            Robinson – I’m not sure what that rant was about, but ancient history or more current history, things don’t ever really change. There is even more migration going on today than ever, due to rapid transportation. In fact, it has been facilitated and encouraged, in order to mingle cultures for globalist purposes.

            To blame people living today for deeds done 200, or even 100 years ago is ridiculous. Things are what they are, and there isn’t much we can do to change it. None of us were here then, so to have to carry guilt over such things is non-productive. Same for the Native Americans. Europeans, and people from the world over, aren’t going to return to their ancestral origins in order to give the land back to the Indians, so for NAs to continue to lament the past, handing down resentment to each new generation, only keeps them stuck in the past. It’s time to move forward.

            There are also many of us who have only been in America for a few generations. Are we also to blame?

            Muslims are now gaining great numbers in Europe and changing the demographics there, as well. This is current. And it is not for the better. We are not far behind.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Bernard.
          My grand mother on my mother’s side was a full blooded Indian.The Jews that occupied Palestine are white and have no trace of semitic blood,they are the proverbial whites stealing land from the proverbial Indians,(the Arabs).Stop backing Isreal.Give the land back to its rightful owners.It belongs to the Arabs,not Jews.

          • Tom

            Since I see so many people refering to the Bible, let me say that in response to those who think the land belongs to the Arab…..Somewhere in the Bible is a passage that says “The land belongs to whomever nutures it”……The Jews. Period. Dosn’t matter how they acquired, It’s a Desert for God’s sake!. If the Jews had not irrigated, planted and nurtured it, it’s would still be a desert. They made something, they created, it’s their’s! So far the no one’s been able to take it away from them and I doubt anyone can. Good for them! Let the Jews keep it. They deserve a homeland. I have nop sympathy for the Palistinanians for reasons stated elsewhere on this site. They have no willingness to support them selves and only whish to whine and bitch about what happenned 63 years ago. Isrial is here to stay. Get over it!

          • Robinson

            Yes it belonged to the Arabs in 1948 and back a few milenium…

        • fundamentalattributionerror

          excellent analogy Bernard! I appreciate your way of thinking. Jeff

      • Al Sieber

        Colleen, Israel is not a Democracy, it’s a Theocracy run by the religious leaders.

        • Vigilant

          Sorry, Al, you’re entirely wrong on that.

          From http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_form_of_government_does_Israel_have :

          “Israel operates under a parliamentary system as a democratic country with universal suffrage. The President of Israel is the head of state, but his duties are largely ceremonial. A Parliament Member supported by a majority in parliament becomes the Prime Minister, usually the chairman of the largest party. The Prime Minister is the head of government and head of the Cabinet. Israel is governed by a 120-member parliament, known as the Knesset. Membership in the Knesset is based on proportional representation of political parties. Parliamentary elections are held every four years, but the Knesset can dissolve the government at any time by a no-confidence vote. The Basic Laws of Israel function as an unwritten constitution. In 2003, the Knesset began to draft an official constitution based on these laws.”

          You’ll find NO legitimate source ANYWHERE to substantiate the falsehood that Israel is a theocracy.

          • Al Sieber

            Vigilant, I found the source years ago, I’ll try and find it again for you, but it has to be later this evening, because I’m off to work now.

          • American Citizen

            It sounds like it’s based on the British system of government. And yes, it is a democracy or free country. Too bad the countries in the Middle East will not learn from the Israelis.

          • Al Sieber

            Vigilant, go to the website, i am the witness .com. and find, Daryl Bradford Smith, the French Connection.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry, Al, I went to that site and saw immediately what it was. The first article that caught my eye was “General Eisenhower: A hero who saved us from Nazis? Or a Mass Murdering Zionist?”

            That’s what I call a “fringe lunacy” site and it warrants no more of my attention. Anything it might have said about Israel not being a democratic form of government has to be unmitigated BS.

      • Martin

        I never knew god worked as a real estate agent to give israel to the jews.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Martin … God is owner of all in the universe. It is His to do as He wishes.

          • JC

            Do you have any proof of that?

          • JC

            I’m kidding btw.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Colleen,
        You mean Joseph Stalin was God.Wow.God works on both sides of the fence,no matter how sleazy.They said God is the author of good and evil. I belive it. We are blaming poor old Satan for all the evil in the world,it was God all along. If thats true we will have to go and blame somebody,Satan would make a perfect fall guy. Oh hell,why not throw the Arabs in for good measure.That would sweeten the pot. That way the world can turn a blind eye on what is really going on.What do you think?

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          coal miner… Your life must be horrible. Without God in it, it couldn’t be happy. You may try to be humorous, but God is not a joke. You will reap what you sow.

    • WoodPecker

      Good and correct discourse! This author just spit out the Israeli lies. We need to care of the sordid Jews over here because they corrupt almost everything in sight here, from politicians, political process, morality, finacial system, etc.. How can we put up with all this insulting crap — letting the criminal Israel spit in our face for very wrongly helping financial, militarily, politically, and physically(blood)! Anyway, without a just peace, the Palestinians and Arabs will continue to fight, and eventually Israel will be destroyed. So it’s better the arrogant Israel and Jews all over to sue for a just peace — or else you’ll be a goner in due time! Also, the jews over here(USA) should feel trepidation — more and more Americans are waking and realizing how they have been had by the sordid Jews and retributions will be timely and harsh and deserved.

      • Vigilant

        Well, well, old Peckerwood is back with his absolutely unsubstantiated antisemitic crap! With an IQ as low as yours, do you find it difficult to wipe your own backside without referring to written instructions?

        • WoodPecker

          Well, if my statement is so out and out — try to rebut them instead of throwing that disgusting anti-semitic bomb at people! I stated the truth, and bad people need to be punished.

          • DaveH

            How does one dispute conjecture? I mean, for sure we could counter with conjecture, but what would they prove one way or the other?
            In any logical debate, when one party accuses the other party of wrong doing, the accuser suffers the burden of proof.
            So, where’s your proof?

          • Vigilant

            Peckerwood says, “We need to care of the sordid Jews over here because they corrupt almost everything in sight here..” And then you use the adjective “sordid” to describe them one more time.

            Sordid: “filthy, dirty; mercenary; of degraded character, vile, base.”

            If that ain’t antisemitism, then antisemitism does not exist.

          • WoodPecker

            You all know what I described in my statement, and if I stated the truth…sordid or whatever then it’s anti-semetic? Maybe you Jews or the duped gentiles want people to say anything truly bad about the Jews. Of course, the Israelis are saints — nothing bad came on the mainstrean media despite condemnation over many, many Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. President Carter wrote a book; he’s just one of the few that Israel allowed into the occupied territories; and he stated the facts. And of course, your types tried and will try to say that’s not true; Carter probably lied, and so infatuated with Arabs…LOL

          • Vigilant

            If you can’t see what everyone else does, that your statements are not even borderline anti-semitic, then you indeed have a problem with reality. You and your fellow psychopathics need a medication not found in cyberforums such as this.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            I am really curious how you determine who are good people or bad people.

    • PeggyB

      Anthony – Excellent post!

    • Michael

      Are you a white=supremacist? Do you believe Jesus was a norseman in ancient palestine? We have an ally in Israel.

    • Tom

      Anthony
      I don’t know what your smoking but you need to get a grip.

  • Michael J.

    Mr. Ringer, once again you speak the words of logic seldom heard anywhere else,except inside my own thoughts. I would like to add however, that Israel will never return to 1967 borders and also never will be destroyed. Reason being is that Rothschild and coherts are also Jews. Israel is being used as bait for Muslim blustering. A trait that Muslim’s portray willingly and will be used as justification for the upcoming world war aimed at the surviving Muslim dictatorship’s that have not been overthrown, or are unwilling to play along with the NWO elite’s agenda.

    • wandamurline

      Whaaaat? You have a tiny country surrounded by countries who want to destroy you and you think that the Rothchilds New World Order is somehow a part of this Israeli conflict? I don’t see this one. If the NWO is going forward, it will be because our elists in Washington have helped turn the middle east upside down and want to give all the power to the United Nations…a bunch of corrupt communists who do nothing but hold their hands out. Hiliary Clinton, Bill Clinton, the elderly Bush, GW Bush are all wanting a NWO, but Obama is working toward it more than any of them by wanting to have a borderless country and he is doing a pretty damned good job because the Mexicans are invading this country every day, along with jhadists who want to kill you.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        I will not shoot Isreal down, however I will not agree that we need to do anything. No where in scripture does it say that I MUST have a Goverment put its hand and steal from me in the form of taxation and give to ANYONE. That said I do believe in Scriptures “title” of the land to Gods People. But i dont believe we can out do anything in Gods Plan. Our “self importance” is a BIT overinflated in this matter!

        The CRUX of the problem is DECEPTION. Scripture clearly states that there will be deception, and how am I to know for certain that any person who “says” they are a Jew is in fact one of Gods Chosen Isrealites?! Because they say so? Sorry, I’m not a doubting Thomas, but things just dont make sence to me.
        The Rothchilds are the wealthiest family in the world. In 2006 they were estimated to be worth over 500 Trillion. You cannnot have that kind of wealth without corruption. If you know history, and its not hard to find the facts, the Rothchilds are NOT exactly know for being Honest-Open-God respecting/loving people.
        The State of Isreal has every right to exist by its own means, and if you follow basic logic..it defies logic to believe that there isnt some form of deception going on with roots growing in a nest of Evil. If I were Evil, Isreal is EXACTLY where I would want to sow my seeds & make things happen. There is no fence that would prevent evil from Lurking ANYWHERE.

        • Tom

          Ok Some of you need to get togeatehr and agree on figures. 500 Trillion?? I don’t think so. Someone else said 13.5 trillion. That is almost the entire debt of the USA. I doubt if any of your figures are anywhere near correct. Your all just guessing.

          • JeffH

            Tom, I can’t back it up, because no one but the Rothschild’s Dynasty know for sure, but I do believe they have control of more monetary wealth than all of this world’s nations combined.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            I’m not guessing at all. My figures come from researchers, accounting and finance firms. I’ve never heard any figure below the 500, and as I stated the date was in 2006.
            What many fail to understand is that Rothchild has diversified…they own Diamond, Gold & Silver Mines. The last 25-30 years they have been heavily involved in Conducting Business Mergers. The Rothchild Website in 2009 stated they conducted over 5000 mergers.

            http://www.rothschild.com/

            Morons who refuse to understand the power of Money, Finance, and Capitol deserve their own destruction.

          • JC

            Well Tom, one thing we don’t have to guess at is whether or not we’re going down in flames…we are. And this ridiculous excuse for a president is enjoying his mission very much.

      • Michael J.

        Wandamurline,
        Who do you think owns the United Nations and the communist therin? That’s right, the NWO elite’s. Obama, a Rothschild employee is throwing gasoline on a forest fire right now with his inciteful, yet hollow rehtoric concerning the drawing back of Israeli borders to the 1967 lines. In so doing, the NWO elites and their Obamadrone are using Israel as bait to draw Arab fire that will justify retalliation against Muslim countries. Once the Islamic regimes are crushed, nation building would commence same as in Iraq and Afganistan bringing to fruition the last impediment standing in the way of The New World Order, the faux democratization of the Arab world already in progress in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia etc. etc., with Iran being the Holy Grail.

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Now, there’s a scenario which makes sense. It may not be the whole picture, because the PTB for the NWO rarely move in straight lines or go after solitary (predictable or obvious) objectives, but it is a rational explanation for Obama’s otherwise counterintuitive position.

          I’m not so sure Iran is “the Holy Grail,” however, except within the context of the Middle East. The NWO has yet to deal with Asia–most particularly and formidably China–whom I doubt are on board with the predominantly Euro/US NWO agenda. I’m sure they have one of their own, however, and realize they are playing catch-up with forces which have been at the game far longer than they have (since long before the Boxer Rebellion, in fact).

          If the ultimate NWO “grail” is in fact the world, as their name implies, the confrontation between East and West will be the final great battle, and I believe much of the apparent confusion we are seeing all over the globe currently is the result of strategic positioning (rather than mere short term tactical maneuvering). By “confusion” I’m referring to the larger picture including geopolitical, financial, raw material allocation and shortages (actual and engineered), and control of everything imaginable from oil to water resources to the Internet.

          The master strategists gearing the planet up for this major conflict are not names you will hear in the MSM, and most of the supposed “movers and shakers” you do see, hear, and read are witting or unwitting (mostly unwitting) bit-parters in a play too big for them to understand more than their small portion of.

          This is why I say (I know I’m mixing metaphors, but screw it, it’s a blog) Palestine is an obvious pawn and Israel is at best a rook. The Middle East is just the current stepping stone in the play for world domination. It’s not about capitalism vs. communism, conservativism vs. liberalism, isolationism vs. colonialism, monotheism vs. paganism vs. atheism vs. deism…it’s not about any this-ism vs. that-ism.

          It’s about world ownership, and the ultimate enslavement of humankind (whichever of us are unlucky enough to be considered valuable enough to keep around after the final culling by the PTB).

          Sorry, it’s late, I’m tired, but that’s the big picture as I see it. The rest of this political/financial/media Sturm und Drang is designed to keep us misinformed and misdirected till the witching hour. At which point They are hoping those of us who are still not bewitched by the bull$#it will be too few in number to matter.

  • Wayne937

    If your interested in how your Congress Member is voting, go here and click on your state:

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/votes/?votenum=72&chamber=S&congress=1121
    Pass this one on to the friends who care about this country.

    • DaveH

      Tax loopholes and subsidies are wrong. Government should not be in the business of picking which companies should be winners and which should be losers. But targeting one company or one industry is not the solution. We need to get Government out of the Marketplace and return control of which companies succeed and which fail to the voluntary contractions of Free Humans in Free Markets.

      • DaveH

        Sorry, rather than Voluntary Contractions, that should have been Voluntary Contracts.

  • crystal

    Is Obama going to roll our borders back to 1967?

    • JEFF GORDON

      No – that pos muslim loving bastard must roll our borders back to pre 1812 if he wants Israel to roll IT’S borders back to pre-1967.

    • http://personalliberty.com frank

      word is crystal he’s thinking of giving Texas back to Mexico!.

      • JC

        It ain’t his to give. ;)

    • eddie47d

      Crystal; 1967 wasn’t a bad year overall. So what was your foolish point? An attempt at humor??

      • JeffH

        Why the use of the word “foolish” in your comment to Crystal?
        I think you should apologise, she made no disparaging remark directed at you!

        • eddie47d

          Right Jeff!! Look at all the disparaging words you make towards others and they are all waiting for an apology. You are quite the oddball.

          • JeffH

            Polly47D, I suppose that will be your excuse then…because somebody else did it?

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; There are no borders to roll back to in 1967 America You are as dumb as Crystal is silly. Smoke and mirrors to keep others off the subject, right Jeff? Go back to playing with yourself.

          • JeffH

            Hey ya big cry baby, what has any 1967 border have to do with our exchange other than that your response shows that you have the attention span of a 2 month old baby.

            “Stupid is as stupid does” clearly defines you.

          • JC

            Jeff, commie47D was just taking an opportunity to sling crap from his high chair. ;)

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; Go read Crystals comment again and read it right. You score no points in your charade. Now you have JC lapping at your leg and he is clueless too.

          • JeffH

            Hey STUPID. FOCUS idiot, just FOCUS! This is what our little exchange was about and had nothing to do with Ben Crysta’s article.
            Get it -NOTHING!

            I said and I’ll quote so you can stay with the point of this exchange:
            JeffH says:

            May 24, 2011 at 1:18 pm

            Why the use of the word “foolish” in your comment to Crystal?
            I think you should apologise, she made no disparaging remark directed at you!

            Your little mindless charade is just that MINDLESS! No 1967 anything in my comment to you. UNDERSTAND? Obviously not! Mindless is who you are!

          • JeffH

            The fact that Crystal used a comment with 1967 has no bearing on my one sided exposure of your lack of understanding our arguement in the first place. Comprehension, something that has been brought to your attention on more than one occasion by more than one poster. Quit being stupid ya big dummy!

          • eddie47d

            It seems to me that you like to argue for arguments sake when I never said a word to you. You should have minded your own business although I know that is hard for you to do. So good riddance and it’s time for you to start your apology tour. That will certainly take all night and into next week.

          • JeffH

            Polly47D says: “You should have minded your own business although I know that is hard for you to do.”

            The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that’s also a hypocrite!
            Tennessee Williams

          • JC

            eddie47d says:

            May 25, 2011 at 11:49 am

            Jeff; Go read Crystals comment again and read it right. You score no points in your charade. Now you have JC lapping at your leg and he is clueless too.
            __________________________________________________________________

            lapping at his leg? LOL
            You have a very sick mind like all liberals.
            Oh well, another 5th of scotch and you’ll be right as rain.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    He is a pos muslim loving bastard.

    • LUTFI DAJANI

      This realy shows how hatefull and stupid christians are.
      any how, your religion is a myth and your Jesus is not what you think.
      after all if there is any basterds it is you sean, do you know who is your real father is?

      • JEFF GORDON

        You show how hateful and stupid YOU are – Obama IS a pos muslim loving bastard.

      • American Citizen

        What has this to do with religion? This has to do with the Muslims wanting to annihilate Israel. It’s all about the land.

        • Conservative at Birth

          All wars are about land, natural resources, and of course, slavery.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          American Citizen:

          They just want their land back,it was stolen from them.
          It is theirs, not the mythical Israelites.

      • Penny Fuentes

        Mr.Dajani, How do you know by the several words written by Sean that he is a Christian? Yet, by your verbage we can pretty well guess you are a Muslim, anti-Christian, anti-Semite.The Christian religion is not a “myth”, it can be and has been proven.

        • LUTFI DAJANI

          REALY, PROVEN BY WHOME? YOUR DRUNKEN POPE OR GAY PRIESTS?
          JEWS AND ARABS ARE BOTH SEMATICS, AND CHRISTIANS ARE [offensive word removed] WHO THINK THIER JESUS DIED FOR THEM AND HE IS GOD, PLEASE GET REAL AND START THINKING.
          CHRISTIANTY IS BASED ON GREECK METHOLOGY NOTHING MORE.
          AND HOW ABOUT YOUR STUPID SANTA CLAUSE? YOU GUYS ARE SICK AND STUPID.
          JESUS WILL BE BACK TO SURPRISE YOU ALL THAT YOU WERE NOTHING BUT [offensive word removed] AND DEMON FOLLWERS AS WELL AS STATUE WORSHIPPERS BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP A SYMBOL THAT IS THE CROSS, WHAT IF JESUS DIED ON A CHAIR, WOULD YOU STILL WERE A CHAIR AS A NECKLAS?

          • JeffH

            LUTFI DAJANI, are you still upset over the reported “execution” of Bin Laden?

          • Carlucci

            Well, one thing he is right about is the part about Jesus coming back to TCB. All muslims believe that as it is written in the Koran.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            LUTFI DAJANI,

            Christianity was borrow from Mithraism and Greek mythology.

            http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/orrp/index.htm

      • wandamurline

        If you do not know Jesus as your saviour, please take some time and get to know him because we are closer to armaghedian that you think. The Bible prophecies are being played out faster than you can blink your eyes. Your soul and eternity will be seen soon, and I will pray that you get to know God as your saviour.

      • Alon

        Thats like saying this shows how hateful and stupid people with red hair are. What a bigot.

      • Jack Carver

        Mr. or Ms. Dajani,

        You are obviously:

        1. Not an American
        2. Not a Christian
        3. Do not know who your father is
        4. Are muslum

        • LUTFI DAJANI

          I AM PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM, NOT A BASTERD CHRISTIAN.
          THE REAL AMERICANS IN THIS LAND ARE THE NATIVES WHOME YOU MASSACARED [offensive words removed].
          GO LOOK AND ASK HOW MANY WHITE AND BLACK AS WELL AS EUROPIANS ARE TURNING TO BECOME MUSLIMS.
          JESUS DO EXSIST AS WE BELIEVE IN HIM BUT HE NEVER DIED FOR YOU AND HE WILL NEVER WILL.
          ANY HOW, KEEP ON DREAMING IN YOUR FANTACIES.
          LOOK WHAT IS GOD IS DOING TO YOU AND WILL KEEP ON DOING.
          CALIFORNIAN WILL FALL IN THE OCEAN AND NY WILL BE UNDER WATER, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, FIGHT GOD?

          • JC

            Back! back to the 7th century with you! LOL

          • Carlucci

            And then off with his head -!! LOL -!!

          • Kate8

            LUTFI – How can you say, with a straight face, anything about Christians slaughtering anyone?

            Muslims make their way around the world slaughtering. When you run out of infidels, you slaughter other Muslims.

            Islam is the only religion (that I know of) that commands you to slaughter, torture, maim and enslave.

            Christianity forbids it.

            Say what you will, but your Mahdi fits the Bible’s description of antichrist perfectly. Islam is the army of satan.

          • http://facebook john

            LUTFI DAJANI says:
            May 24, 2011 at 12:57 pm
            I AM PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM, NOT A BASTERD CHRISTIAN.

            the bible warned us about the last days.yhe events are unfolding in lock step with revolations. God also warned us about (YOU) he called you a (FALSE PROPHET).

          • Thamera

            Well I think Lutfi Dajani has just illustrated perfectly why peace is impossible in the middle east. LMAO

      • http://personalliberty.com frank

        Then it is me along with Sean he’s a pos muslim loving bastid! pos loves pieces of s–t!.

      • Colleen

        YOU are the ignorant and hateful one! Obama is a Lying Muslim in Chief. We will, as Christians, pray for God to have mercy on him when his time on earth is through. We also pray for him to make good decisions……unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to be able to hear or maybe just doesn’t give a damn!
        As for my father………at least I had one who loved only one wife and didn’t teach his children to hate others as yours obviously did.
        Don’t like us? Feel free to leave our country and return to whatever sand box you came from.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What group are you posting for?

        • Robinson

          It’s all about groups and labels for you – who cares about the issue right?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So now you are claiming Jesus as your own.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Reread your own post and see how stupid and hateful you are.

      • combatvet

        Hateful is your joke of a religion with zero tolerance for anyone else and their beliefs. Religion of peace, give me a brake, you call for the death of anyone does not by into your medieval military manual posing as a bible! This is America, we raise our children to be successful not to be vehicles for bombs targeted at women and children. We’re also not cowards that hide behind women and children in combat!

        Why don’t you go back where you came from, obviously we aren’t backward enough for you!

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Lutfi… Your world is dark and unkind to you, isn’t it?

  • Earth

    Why all this Jew love?
    The Jews occupy stolen land.
    Israel was created in 1948 by the United Nations.
    They just cut pieces of land off from other nations, occupied it and called it Israel.
    The Jews have caused enough damage on this planet.
    The entire US economy is in Jewish hands.
    The FED belongs to the Jews, a private Jew bank.
    The FED is killing America.
    And you still side with the Jews?
    My man, inform yourself.

    • American Citizen

      Are you for real? Yes, this government needs to stop relying on the Fed. But to blame the Jews is ridiculous. Is Obama a Jew? Look at what he’s done.

      • WoodPecker

        Look, he’s a puppet! Look at the people he surrounds himself with — people at high/important positions that can really do demage; it’s the sordid Jews again! Wake Up, people!

        • Kate8

          Come on, you guys. The NWO and affiliates may claim to be a lot of things, including Jewish, but what they are are worshippers of Lucifer.

          There are devout, God-loving Jews and there are secular Zionists. There are sincere Christians and there are those who claim the name but have never read the Word. And there are those who believe in nothing but things of the flesh.

          It’s ridiculous to blame all Jews for what is being done by those who, in truth, have no connection to Judaism.

          And for those who would protest the same for Muslims, let me remind you that Jews and Christians are not ordered by God to kill all non-believers. Muslims are, and do, kill in the name of Allah. None but satan would command such a thing.

    • wandamurline

      Read the scripture, and after doing so, then tell me that the Israelies are not the owners of the land…this conflict goes back centuries.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        wandamurline,

        You are full of it;like the myths in the Bible .The Palestine area doesn’t belong to the Jews,it belongs to the Arabs.Jews must leave the Middle East in order to achieve a lasting peace.We can’t keep backing them forever,we are running out of resources and money.It is time we put our foot down.No more aid,no more protection,and certainly no more giving sensitive technology to Isreal, that may one day come home to Haunt us.Remember China?

        • DaveH

          The world doesn’t belong to us. We belong to the world. And the world chose me to be it’s spokesperson. The world wants you leave, coal miner.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            DaveH,

            The world may want a pompous jackass like you to leave.Spokeperson? Boy, they are getting desperate. Now we all can have a laugh.

          • Kate8

            coal – I suppose you are one of those who think we should all leave and give North America back to the Mexicans and the Indians.

            You are a real piece of work.

        • JC

          Coal Miner, America doesn’t belong to communists…you must leave America. :)

          • Kate8

            JC – Not so long ago it was an act of treason to be a communist in America.

            We need to bring that back.

          • JC

            We “are” bringing it back.
            Why do you think they are getting so nervous? ;)

    • Conservative at Birth

      The Hebrews have been on this land for 6,000 years. It has been stolen and occupied by Persians, Muslims, Crusaders, and others during that time period. Do you actually know any Jews? Are you anti-semetic? If so, how can you justify your hatred of these people?

    • Penny Fuentes

      The Jews and “Palestinians” were given the same amount of barren, unproductive land in 1948. The Palestinians did nothing to improve their land, it was finally taken over by Jordan and Syria. Meanwhile, The Israelis have improved and built a beautiful country where Jews, Christians,and Muslims live in peace. So if you want to hate “Israel” do it under the real context of your thoughts-hateful and irrational Anti-Semitism. When the haters of Israel stand before God and answer for their actions I wonder who they will blame then.

    • Earths Face

      Nazis are still alive and well. The names have been changed…but still the same players.

      • bob wire

        It always been about labels and little to do with content on the “sales” end.

        The boot on the neck comes after the sale.

    • http://pi-news.net George

      @Earth ..Why all this Jew love? I can told you what happens..when the Jews Nation Israel should being trowed back to the see, then the war against unbelievers does not stop… the next victims will follow, READ the Koran, Sharia and Hadithe. Muslims are the first victims of their own religion. Example: If you not pray 5 times per day you are at least on of the unbelievers and your “personal freedom live” will be changed very fast to the danger zone. Look @all Americans it exist some detailed plans to destroy the USA from within…listen to this undercover Mosque in London…(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc7PqjD_S3s) All People where did to you that is only some freedom stuff written in the holy book, told them you act as taqujia.

    • thinking

      Earth, who do you think created: Iran, Iraq, and the other middle east countries? Check the internet and you may find that all were created by the europeans.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Such ignorance; where to begin…
      1) Israel was not deemed ‘there’ in 1948. it was re established in 1948. Go grab an Old Testament survey and look at Israel in 700bc. Then you will see your error.
      2) You say, “Israel commits crime after crime, wants all the support from everybody, does nothing (good) and just demands.” Oh, so when MASAD helps our CIA for the last 40 yrs what do you call that? What crimes are you referring to? retaliating to rocket attacks which occur daily by Palestinians? ‘Does nothing good’…are you referring to the fact that for every 2-300 rocket attacks on their civilian areas they launch one attempt to stop those attacks?
      3) Oil Prices controlled by Rockefeller? Are you serious? OPEC and Obama are in charge of the fluctuation highs right now. Obama because the idiot banned drilling/mining for it on our turf; OPEC due to its ability to control production within the middle east (by the way, Israel has no oil…they put up with these ass arab oil prices too)
      4) America is bankrupt why? Because of inept leadership from both parties…but mainly because of Democrats who just don’t know how to stop spending other people’s money. The entitlements of this generation command over 50% of the debt today…where the hell is Rockefeller in this equation?

      Antisemitism is so cliche…why not grow up and put the blame on ourselves where it is due? In 2012, change the leadership of this great nation. Vote the imbeciles out.

    • WoodPecker

      America will take care of these sordid Jews here — they are really the problem!

      • Vigilant

        No, Peckerwood, sordid people like you have always been the problem.

      • bob wire

        No Peckerhead, ~ stupid Americans come in all favors, sizes and faiths and life it’s self that has a way of thinning them out without anyone lifting a hand. It just takes too long sometimes for some of us and we wish to hasten the process.

    • Colleen

      How ignorant.
      Please see my earlier post and again I suggest you do some actual research on your own from multiple sources, not just from Media Matters, the huffington puffington post and others alike.

    • Tom

      The United nations did NOT create isreal. The British did. The US was the first nation to recognize Isreal.

    • LUTFI DAJANI

      THANK YOU EARTH,
      ANY HOW GOD WILL NEVER FORGET AND LET THEM KEEP ON GOING, THERE IS JUSTICE AND THIER IS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE DARK TUNNEL.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Arabs are not the problem. Muslims are the problem. They are very peaceful people who only insist that you peacefully do everything they demand

  • http://usintel.net Bill from Laos

    This is one of the most lucid, revealing, analyses of the Jewish-Arab
    impasse. Yes, Muslims should start to concentrate on progress for
    their future, but they won’t because they’re too corrupted and mentally
    disfunctional. Don’t these words describe the leftist-progressives hereP
    in America? These clowns following the Clown in Chief with their hatred
    and contempt for producers. If they focused on getting off their asses and
    applying their skills productively, we all would be better off. But they won’t
    do that either.

    • WoodPecker

      You are truly a knucklehead!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Stop knocking yourself out on those trees,human woodpecker. Your brain cannot stand the repeated stress.

        • Vigilant

          His brain dribbled out of his ears long before he started posting on this site.

    • JC

      That’s about right Bill.

  • m allen

    To Hell with the muslims, and their buddy Pooki, in the White HOuse…

    • LUTFI DAJANI

      WHAT A TYPICAL WHITE STUPID TRASH, YOU WHITE HATFULL PEOPLE USED TO LIVE IN CAVES WHEN MUSLIMS CONTRIBUTED TO SCIENCE AND MEDICINE.
      GO READ SOME BOOKS INSTEAD THE PORNO MAGS AND COMICS YOU GREW UP ON WATCHING YOUR DADDY DOING IT.

      • JeffH

        LUTFI DAJANI, like the porno mags and DVD’s your dead Muslim hero was watching prior to his execution in Pakistan.

        Of course, Muslims often prefer to exhibit their sexual deviations in corrals or behind the closed entries to their childrens quarters.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Actually you haven’t contributed anything of any value to the world.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Lutfi Dajani,

        You are violation of our comment policy. If you cannot contribute to the conversation in a respectful manner you will be blacklisted.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The highest consumption of porn is in the middle east.
        You are a liar. You have not an iota of proof of who uses porn,so stop lying about the posters.

        • Carlucci

          Yep, and guess who are the biggest “patrons” of the prostitutes and porn bars in Bangkok? Guess who are the most obnoxious drunks on the airplanes flying to Bangkok? You guessed it – the mooslims!!

      • JC

        Lutfi is probably Jovi. ;)

        • Carlucci

          JC – I never thought of that, but you could be right.

      • Carlucci

        I would be happy if Bob Livingston banned this disgusting person right now.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Bob L. can check from where he posts.

      • Kate8

        LUTFI – Nothing here, even from the worst liberals, compares to the hate coming from you.

        You can take your religion of hate and return to the land of beheadings and lopped off hands and feet.

        No way would any sane person EVER convert to your evil, vile way of thinking and living.

  • Earth

    The author of this article, Robert Ringer, is a Jew?
    That’s why Robert has such Jew love?
    America and all its resources MUTS always be available for Israel at NO cost.
    How nice.
    Israel commits crime after crime, wants all the support from everybody, does nothing (good) and just demands.
    War after war just for Israel.
    The oil price going through the roof, of course controlled by the Jew Rockefeller.
    America bankrupt, thanks to the Jews Rothschild.
    The Jews call us non-Jews Goym.
    Goym means cattle.
    That is what we are to them.
    Just cattle. To be disposed of at their will.
    Us non-Jews exist only to serve the Jews.
    That is according to the Jewish Talmud.
    And look around you. That is exactly how it is.

    • Jim

      the author of this post ”earth says” wrote about somthing it knows NOTHING about, perhaps it should pick up a history book and read it …if it can read….the post was nothing but more of the same ol same ol hate from the far left American hating muslim loving communist democrats

      • Colleen

        You got that one right. People like this are constantly on the side of the Muslims and anyone else who irrationally hate Jews.
        I, for one, not only love the Israelis, but I respect them.
        The Muslims??? I have no respect nor would I trust one. Just ask the families of 9/11 victims, the Ft Hood victims and survivors…and many others just to name a few.

        • combatvet

          Earth is not living on this planet, don’t be fooled! What a joke!

    • Wayne937

      This is because the stupid American Citizens will not demand it from their Congress Member. I am telling you, if enough people would get on the band wagon and demand their Congress Members to do, or not to do something, it would get done, If not, then there is a time to vote these lame idiots out of office, and let them get a real job.

    • Allan Halbert

      Goy, which you misspelled, does not mean cattle. It means nation in Hebrew and non-Jew, or gentile in Yiddish. This is only one of the lies in your post.

      • Colleen

        Thank you for pointing that out!

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Earth,

      You forgot Joseph Stalin,he was the actual founding father of modern Isreal.
      His real name was(Joseph Vissariionvich Dzhugashvilli)according to some sources,the last name meant Jewson. The same sources said his father was a Jew and his mother, a Christian. Some of Stalin’s grandchildren are still living in Isreal,the others resided in Georgia.

      • Vigilant

        “You forgot Joseph Stalin,he was the actual founding father of modern Isreal [sic].”

        With a comment like that, there’s no doubt that any tonnage of fact and logic could ever sway you. You belong in a mental institution.

  • George

    “Earth” wrote:

    “Why all this Jew love?
    The Jews occupy stolen land.
    Israel was created in 1948 by the United Nations.
    They just cut pieces of land off from other nations,
    occupied it and called it Israel.”

    It was called Israel long before that. You need to read a bit of history. Also, it’s not as though Jews hadn’t been living there all along since they had. Those miserable excuses for human beings called Palestinians should have all US aid cut off. With the Muslim Brotherhood gaining control of Egypt, it’s aid should also be terminated. The so-called Palestinians were actually Jordanians so they should have a right to return — to Jordan.

    • Wayne937

      George, I think all U.S. aid should be cut off during our dire economic situation in this country. They have cut out any SS increases for the seniors for the last 2 years, but they continue giving foreign aid. Remember, the seniors have paid in to this program for their retirement any place from 20 to 50 years. What has the foreign governments given us? The only thing they have contributed are headaches. All foreign aid should be stopped and drilling for American Oil should begin immediately. When are the folks in this country going to wake up and demand this. I have made a post on this website, and several others places, for people to see how their Congress Member is voting. Let’s see if they use it.

    • WoodPecker

      But the European Jews came over and displace the Arabs(Palestinians) who’d been living there for ages.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        That land was a wasteland before the European Jews settled there.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Nadzieja Batki,
          That is crap.The Arabs were driven out and off their land to starve.The thanks goes to Joseph Stalin,he help established and created the so called Jewish home land, by supplying military hardware to the jews.It puts me in the mind of the American Indians,they were too driven out and killed.Don’t believe it,check it out.

          .

          • combatvet

            You obviously have spent too much time in the coal mine. Your statement about Stalin is pure poppycock. It absolutely was a wasteland and it was the at one time the ancestral land of Israel thus their right to claim it. The Palestinians are not a people, Palestine was a place inhabited by Jews ancient times! They are nothing but a created group of disaffected Jordanians placed there to push Israel into the sea. Million of square miles in the surrounding muslim nation and not one inch of land for these cast out Jordanians. It was a plan from the very beginning to destroy Israel who occupies the ancestral land, a mere narrow strip of it!

            Keep inhaling the coal dust, it has done wonders for your critical thinking skills…..geesh!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You haven’t studied history.

          • JC

            hey Commie Miner, how does that explain the higher standard of living enjoyed by Arabs living “in” Israel?

      • Kate8

        WP – Just from where do you think the European Jews originated?

        They were scattered into Europe when they were driven from the HolyLand. Hence, the prophecy that they would regather in the land given them by God, now called Israel.

  • Dntmkmecmoverther

    Hey Obama, what about our ‘occupied’ territories of California and Texas? You want to abandon them to Mexico once more? How about Alaska which was bought for a whim? Because we in essence ‘stole’ Alaska, shall we deed that back too? What an inept piece of work this president has shown himself to be. He can’t seem to define the borders of his own country but he is quick to discern a problem with borders overseas…what irony! What stupidity! And this latest imbecilic move against not our enemy, but Israel, the only ally we have in the middle east. I’m tellin ya, I have never seen such poor, inept foreign policy leadership. I pray we get this hooligan out of office sooner than 2012.

    • Wayne937

      Hey! Dntmkmecmoverther, I hope Obama does not read your blog, or he may be willing to give California, and Texas back to Mexico. He will do anything to please our adversaries.

    • eddie47d

      The Russians controlled Alaska and we bought it at a fair price at that time. Then again neither Russia or the US asked the Eskimos what they thought of the deal.It’s all about territorial power.

    • Tom

      Read some History…we did not steal Alaska. We bought it from the Russians for 7 million dollars.

  • Thinking About

    If the US should “butt” out just where do you think Isreal would find themselves in a short time. We have worked for peace for many years and mostly to preserve Isreal. They need to look to living with their neighbors and seek a road to peace.

    • Michael J.

      Thinking About,
      If the Palestinians laid down their arms today, there would be no more violence.
      If the Israelis laid down their arms today, there would be no more Israel.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thank you for a really good post.

        • combatvet

          Obviously Think About It is incapable of thought! These blogs do reinforce one overriding theme, the term moron is constantly being validated!

      • JeffH

        Michael J, in a nutshell, it really is that simple.

    • Q

      I can many Jews in here are attacking you, and anyone else who’s rightly critical of Israel. I say Fart at them in self defense.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are a blooming idiot. Don’t blame the Jews because you are human failure.

        • Vigilant

          Bravo, Nadzieja!

          And ditto on your comment.

    • Thamera

      Mhm..perhaps you should tell that to the people of the Sudan who have lost their lives, homes, land, everything at the hands of their “Muslim Brethern” and this just in the last couple of decades.

      • Thamera

        That comment was for Thinking About and at the very least learn how to spell the place ISRAEL>

  • Jim

    IN 2012 , IF YOU THINK THE CHOICE ISN’T CLEAR , THINK AGAIN ,…..IT IS!!!
    YOU CAN VOTE FOR A LYING , WAR CRIMINAL, COMMUNIST,SOCIALIST,
    ,MARXIST, MUSLIM, OR
    …..A REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT, ITS VERY SIMPLE AND ANY RED BLOODED AMERICAN SHOULD
    HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING THIS DECISION………………

    ON MAY 1 2011 THE US NAVY SEALS KILLED THE NUMBER TWO MUSLIM
    TERRORIST OF THE USA …..IN 2012 LETS VOTE OUT THE NUMBER ONE MUSLIM
    TERRORIST IN THE USA,

    BHO = AMERICAS PUBLIC ENEMY MUSLIM TERRORIST NUMBER ONE

    http://www.AllenWestforPresident.us

    • http://DoULoveJesus.org Mark

      I guess you didn’t know – Bin Laden has been dead for the last 9 years- but he was never indicted for 9/11 as he was for the embassy bombings

      The terrorists are those that lied to us – lies only have power when people believe them. Christ said that the Truth would set us free – then it follows that lies enslave

      DoULoveJesus.org

    • eddie47d

      Jim; If Allen West thinks like you then no one will vote for him.I hope he knows you are working on his team.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Goldenman

    Hello Anthony,
    You hit the nail square on the head, but there is much more, even worse than man can believe! I´ll be back enjoying your comments and maybe I´ll add mine one day before that final day comes! Thank you again:

  • Ivan

    Like children in a sandbox! “My daddy is stronger than your Daddy” Our reliance on religious beliefs to guide us are at the root of these global problems. The energy expended in wars and conflict to prove one religion’s superiority can never result in a positive impact. The fact is that most of the world cannot provide for itself because they know only how to create conflict. How to take, not how to produce. People beholding to a government for food and their basic needs will gladly spend their day throwing rocks. Give these people a purpose other than to kill one another in a battle designed by despots, and the world has a chance. A people unwilling to support its needs should starve. The world would be a better place without them and their leaders.

  • http://LibertyAlert Ray Jarman

    I have arguing Robert Ringer’s point for years (since before I was working towards my MA in International Relations). A more valid argument about losing wars and land territories is Germany’s loss of territory after both WW1 and WW2. In more than fifty years, I have never heard one proponent for the restoration of Alsace Lorraine, Jutland and parts of old Prussia (now Poland). Since 1946, not one major politician from the FDP, SDP or CDU has ever complained out loud. Poland, which lost huge portions of its eastern borders, has accepted its fate. Even here in the Americas, Bolivia comes to mind. It was not always a landlocked country begging Peru and Chile for a corridor to the Pacific.

    Talking about indigenousness peoples from New Zealand, the Indian Nations of the USA or the Aboriginal Tribes in Australia is quiet different than anything in the last century.

    Ringer’s point about negotiating with an enemy whose reason d’être is to completely destroy you would be masochistic. It has to be noted that the PLO has never officially renounced the Cairo Pact and even if Arafat had, Mohammad taught that perfidy is acceptable in the quest for the annihilation of an enemy (any non Muslim). I have arguing Robert Ringer’s point for years (since before I was working towards my MA in International Relations). A more valid argument about losing wars and land territories is Germany’s loss of territory after both WW1 and WW2. In more than fifty years, I have never heard one proponent for the restoration of Alsace Lorraine, Jutland and parts of old Prussia (now Poland). Since 1946, not one major politician from the FDP, SDP or CDU has ever complained out loud. Poland, which lost huge portions of its eastern borders, has accepted its fate. Even here in the Americas, Bolivia comes to mind. It was not always a landlocked country begging Peru and Chile for a corridor to the Pacific.

    Talking about indigenousness peoples from New Zealand, the Indian Nations of the USA or the Aboriginal Tribes in Australia is quiet different than anything in the last century.

    Ringer’s point about negotiating with an enemy whose reason d’être is to completely destroy you would be masochistic. It has to be noted that the PLO has never officially renounced the Cairo Pact and even if Arafat had, Mohammad taught that perfidy is acceptable in the quest for the annihilation of an enemy (any non Muslim).

    • bob wire

      Great read Ray. Point well taken.

    • WoodPecker

      Those days were the savage era before having any established International organizations and laws. So, your Jewish rationalization is quited wicked.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So all those organization that the Arabs formed to promote peace were lies.

        • bob wire

          Seems like! since Hamas fails to accept Israel right to exist is a “no starter” of sorts. ~ What do you think?

          • Vigilant

            Meanwhile, we could have counted on Mubarak to hold the lid on any provocations of Israel. Now that he’s gone, the “democratic” Muslim factions that end up ruling Egypt will no doubt accede to the wishes of the Egyptian majority that the Egypt-Israeli Pact be scrapped.

            Such freedom-loving Muslims, eh?

    • Tom

      Mr. Jarman failed to mention, or does not know, that Panama is an “Invented” country, carved out of Colombia so that the US could build the Panama Canal. So that begs the question, should Panama now cease to exist and be returned to Colombia??

      • Michael J.

        Tom,
        The big question is, when the map of Pangaea was violently redrawn by the radical forces of Plate Tectonics, does the former supercontinent have any reclamation rights?

      • always right

        It already has ceased to exist. It has, in effect, been ceded & deeded to China. nothing like letting your enemy control your navy’s, oil, shipping and goods shipping “from (one) sea to (the other)shining sea”. But jimmuh cottah and the billzebubba/hildebeest “we are the president” team never met a commie they didn’t love so kiss it goodbye.

  • bob wire

    Question, ~ was confiscation paid to anyone on this procurement of land in 48? ~ and I take it that this land now in question was not a part of the original land of 48″ but was taken over in defense of this land? ~ A buffering land captured via conquest?

    You know, DMZ and buffer zones is standard practice between waring neighbors and not the best place for a snow cone stand much less a home.

  • Bernard Johnson

    Pretty soon the American people will wake up and see the atrocities that the rest of the world already sees going on in the middle east sine 1948.

    A good friend of mine said the reason everything is OK with the European take over of the USA 300 years ago was because all of the rightful dwellers were NOT displaced but were pretty much killed – genocide.

    The mistake of the US and the Jews they cater too was NOT killing all of the Palestinians in 1948, and this is why now there is such a huge problem.

    9-11 and other various attacks are due to US foreign support of Israel. Go to YouTube and search on either “What motivated the 9/11 hijackers ? See testimony most didn’t” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg) or “Purpose of the 9/11 Attacks” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44wK72Snm6Y)

    It is not because of “freedom”.

  • Varian Wrynn

    Nice of you to mention New Zealand and Australia, but what about the US? The US flat out took Hawaii with military force in 1893, for which the US Congress officially apologized (“Sorry Queen Lili`oukalani for taking your islands, but we’re still keeping them”). If the Obama wants Isreal to give back land, he should set the example, and give back Hawaii, or give back all of the US that was either taken illegally or through war. Leadership by example. Oh wait, “Leadership” and “Obama” in the same sentence – what was I thinking?

    Sad part is, the electorate is going to re-elect the Obama so he can complete his “Change.” What we’ve seen in the last 2 years is only a preview of the next six :(

  • http://none Floyd Hardee

    Robert Ringer is a very intelligent man with great writing skills and has indeed much perception. He would make a great President or Vice President. Andrew Napolitano would make a great President or Vice President. Robert knows who Andrew is. He also knows Judge Napolitano is very knowledgeable in the laws of the land, has as quick wit, but is not easily deceived and you can not bully him. The two of them could easily hold their own against any candidate that wants to debate them on the issues of the day. Our common enemies (Liberal, Lucifer, Progressives, Communist, Socialist, etc.) do not want either one of these men in a position of authority. Our enemies don’t want us to have an honest government, there fore they don’t want you to elect honest, intelligent, and courageous men or women! Understand I still like Palin, and Bachman but these two men should be considered right along with them for a high office. we need these kind of leaders if we are to remain free, and if we are to return to prosperity.

    • eddie47d

      You say Ringer is a very intelligent man yet he blames Gaza on Obama when that territory was given up long before. He looses on his knowledge of history and is nothing more than a shill for the right. Ringer also says in his simplistic way of thinking that wars justify the ends.I guess that is the Bully Principle. I kick your ass and you have to lie down and accept it theory. Nothing great about that evil way of thinking. Israel certainly didn’t have to accept being bullied by Syria,Jordan,Egypt and the Saudis and the Palistinians don’t deserve to be bullied by territorial grabs. Israel is the deal maker and it’s up to them to find common ground for a Palestinian State. The West Bank and Gaza don’t always get along either. To protect Israel from giving up land I say form 2 Palestinian homelands and be done with it. Another solution is to “demand” that Gaza forms with Egypt and totally breaks away with the West Bank. The Golan Heights is an issue with Syria and not a part of the Palestinian solution and has to be dealt with separately.If you want some of the problems to go away in the Middle East then work for eliminating the bitterness that lingers in this region. Since all roads lead to Israel they have to be the catalyst in mending the rift. Obama is right in demanding action between these two stubborn people. Unless you want us to continually be dragged into the fray.

      • always right

        “Jerusalem” (that is to say, modern Israel) was around before that bastard religion call ‘islam’ was ever invented by a megalomaniac in a drugged stupor. If the Palestinians need a homeland, let them cut a hunk out of Jordan or Syria. That way they can live in peace with the rest of Esau’s “wild asses of the desert” crowd. Why would it have to come out of Israel, other than the obvious reasons: “it weakens Israel”.

      • Vigilant

        eddie,

        “If you want some of the problems to go away in the Middle East then work for eliminating the bitterness that lingers in this region. Since all roads lead to Israel they have to be the catalyst in mending the rift.”

        “Work to eliminate the bitterness?” Yes, by all means, but concentrate your efforts at the source. Let’s see, who brings up their children and schools them to hate another nation? Who aims their rockets and blasts their bombs indiscriminately to maximize the casualties of innocent people? Who was given over 90% of their demands by Ehud Barak and walked away from the negotiating table? Who democratically elected a leadership (Hamas) that does not recognize another country’s right to even exist? What leadership (PLO) has taken billions and billions of dollars meant for basic food and medical aid, pocketed most of it and spent the rest on weapons of terror?

        Then, let’s ask, what country (the ONLY country) in that area has a democratic form of government? Who has turned a desert into a prosperous, thriving example of capitalism and free choice? What nation has made such advances in science, medicine, and technology while bringing up the prosperity of its people? In which country’s courts can a Palestinian bring court suit and have success?”

        “Obama is right in demanding action between these two stubborn people. Unless you want us to continually be dragged into the fray.”

        Neither Obama nor any of the many presidents before him has had the right to demand any action of these people.

        • JeffH

          Vigilant, very well said.

          • Thamera

            Exactly and it is very naive and simplistic to think (Eddie) that this is the only issue that Muslims have a problem with. You should really take note of how the Muslims have treated and are treating their neighbors in the Sudan and then tell me how interested they are in “peace” and “co-existence”.

          • eddie47d

            Sudan is a border dispute between two countries who were once connected. Would you say all Christians are evil because they killed each other in our Civil War?

        • eddie47d

          Vigilante; Why do we subsidize Israel with 4 billion and the Palestinian Territories with a lesser amount(about 1 billion) if it is none of our business. If these two entities want to survive on their own then let’s pull the plug and save that tax money for urgent needs here. Either that or it is our business what the outcome is.

  • Thor

    Looks to me like we’re done talking…so, like the Brian Keith character told Charlie Sheen, et al, in Young Guns, “Let’s dance!”

  • Dark Knight

    Kudos to Mr. Robert Ringer. Well explained article surrounding the factual politics and strategies of the past as well as the current situation in that particular region of the world. Unfortunately, we have a pretender-in-chief who is clueless when historical content or importance comes to bear. It is a shame that the liberal left’s whole mantra program is all about if the Republicans are all for something, they (Democrats) MUST be 180 degrees opposite regardless of the outcomes of such decisions.

    • bob wire

      Please don’t over act and over state. ~

      While I’d rather see us “not go there’ at all ~ if one must, this is only a staring point for discussing and opening of debate.

      “Openers” to a parlay that’s been used in the past by many other statesmen.

      You can’t expect Muslims cooperation and consideration if America jumps in bed with Israel first rattle out of the box or expect any talks to bear fruit. Now ~ can you?

      You bring your “game face” to such high level discussions.

  • Crashaxe

    Lets go back to the boarders that God established and promised Abrahamn.
    In regards to the land that God has promised Israel, Genesis 15:18 declares, “To your descendants [Abraham's] I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.” God later confirms this promise to Abraham’s son Isaac, and Isaac’s son Jacob (whose name was later changed to Israel). When the Israelites were about to invade the Promised Land, God reiterated the land promise, as recorded in Joshua 1:4, “Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the great river, the Euphrates — all the Hittite country — to the Great Sea on the west.”

    With Genesis 15:18 and Joshua 1:4 in mind, the land God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile river in Egypt to Lebanon (North to South) and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (West to East). So, what land has God stated belongs to Israel? All of the land modern Israel currently possesses, plus all of the land of the Palestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus all of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Israel currently possesses only a fraction of the land God has promised.

    • Bernard Johnson

      So God is a Real Estate agent? Too bad the Pope is not running the world. Your bible is not my bible. My bible says the USA really belongs to me and other native americans and that god promised it to us. So with China backing us we will take it back – the native american state – we will only take a quarter of the US back – for now. In a few years more. And then more. And then you all can live in a concentration camp in Kansas, we’ll put up a wall, kill your children and refuse you supplies. Then when a few renegade “americans” bomb the Twin Towers of Beijing as a way to wake up the Chinese as to the atrocities in Kansas caused by the Chinese government backing the Native American occupation in the US, when interviewed, the Chinese president can say “the Americans in Kansas did this to our towers because they hate our communism.”

      Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and realize yours is not the only bible nor the only point of view. How about the 1947 borders? Or borders of 1900? or 1800.

      Politicas and religion do not mix. It was already put to a vote, sorry.

      • c lynn

        I agree with Martha. The Bible is true and many, many of the Bible prophecy have come true. An example is, the scattered Israelite have come back to their land and now have a nation. Prophesied in Ezekiel 37 . The United States has been blessed because we have supported Israel in the past. God will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. We are now being cursed because Obama is trying to divide the land that God Promised to Abraham and his descendants. An example floods, tornadoes, fires, hurricanes and economic collapse. Read your King James Bible Bernard and have your eyes opened.

      • EltonJ

        Bernard,

        America is a Homeland for all Israelites not just the sons of Lehi. You pretty much forgotten the descendants of Dan, the European Branch of Ephraim, the European branch of Judah, Zebulun, Naphtali, Asher, Reuben, Gad, Levi, Issachar, Benjamin, and the European branch of Manasseh.

        Sure, you’ll probably kick most of us. D&C 47 said that you’ll do so. But America is a Homeland for all Israelites not just Israel. Bssides, there are so many of us that we all can’t possibly fit into a nation that is only 50 miles wide and too hundred miles long.

        Besides, America is setting herself up for a Butt Whippin’. What kind of Butt Whippin’? Play Fallout 3.

  • JKO

    Thank you Mr. Ringer for setting the record straight. I have known this for years. There is one other point that people may not realize; Israel also agreed to allow all the people in the occupied lands the opportunity to return to their homelands. BUT, guess what, their homelands would not take them back. So Israel made a place for them. AND they allow them to worship freely. Their religious freedom extends to all religions.
    I have also heard that there was a recent poll that said Palestinians want Israel to be in control of Israel not Palistine by 3-1 (I think).
    Bottom line: Israel was attacked, Israel won, Israel (just like any other country) should give up nothing.

  • libertytrain

    I do believe at least one of Mr. Ringer’s points is irrefutable based on reading so many of these posts:
    “Israelis are feeling the heat from Jew haters worldwide more than at any time since World War II.”
    Wow, how quickly people forget or I guess this very sadly means that many people are grateful that over 5 million Jews were killed in our time frame of rememberings of what occurred though so few are left that did experience the camps to tell the story.

  • c lynn

    Obama needs to get his nose out of Israels business. It is obvious to me that he is favoring the radical Muslim communities all over the middle east. I just don’t understand supporting terrorist. They hate and will always hate no matter what we do to appease them.

  • WoodPecker

    Ringer is one of many sordid Jews in America, and they have been destroying America. So, justice should be mete out to them!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Another idiotic anti-semite.

      • combatvet

        Woodpecker, hmm…..that says it all! What an ignoramus!!

      • Vigilant

        Peckerwood just learned the definition of the word “sordid,” so now he’s (tirelessly and repeatedly) trying to impress us with his newfound pet adjective.

        • libertytrain

          that reminds me of the other pet word that was in vogue this year: vitriol – it still pops up too often – :)

    • Michael J.

      WoodPecker,
      I did not know they still made prosthectics out of wood.
      Does your significant other ever get splinters?

    • Q

      WoodPecker,

      Neocons, Wall street banksters, Israeli lobbying, the Fed/Treasury, compromised Congress/White House, mainstream media, and many more — all conspired to destroy America!

  • http://Israel Martha

    The Muslims and The Jews are Half/Brothers! The Muslims are taught that Abraham took Ishmael and not Issac to Sacrifice on the Mountain! But God said Issac was the chosen one and Israel’s Borders were put there by God! When Jesus Returns He will set His Throne in Jerusalem and anyone that helps Israel God will put His Hand of Protection upon that Land! If we don’t protect Israel God is lifting His Hand of Protection upon the United States thanks to President Obama! Just open your eyes to what is taking place in the United States! The Jews are God’s Chosen People!

    • babybikerbabe

      The ISREALITES are God’s chosen people – not the Jews. Now, some Jews ARE Isrealites and some Isrealites are Jews. I am an Isrealite but I am not a Jew.

      Re-read your Old Testament and carefully follow the lineage of Edom or Edomites. God didn’t like them too much. These people are also Jews.

      I’m happy to protect Isrealites but that doesn’t mean protecting Isreal.

      Do your own research – don’t regurgitate what some pastor or rabbi says.

      • PeggyB

        Thank you, babybikerbabe. If people would do their own research they would begin to understand who these imposter “Jews” who have established modern day Israel really are.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So now you consider yourself an expert on genetics and know of 100% surety who is a Jew or an Israelite. I hope you are not a Christian because you are incredibly stupid.

        • S.C. Murf

          There are two houses, the house of David and the house of Juda. No where in the bible does it say that the house of David is Jewish, so who are they? They are us and the UK. Read, study and learn.

          up the hill
          airborne

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Where are you taught the nonsense. There were other tribal people besides Abraham and they had progeny.
      By your reasoning, the Jews shouldn’t defend themselves because they would be fighting against their own relatives. How stupid is that?

  • Raggs

    obama to turn his back on God and his people…

    Israel will never be destroyed…

    • Q

      Or so so arrogant! Sooner than you think….as soon as the US cut off all AID. You want to prove me wrong….then go lobbby to have the aid cut off.

  • sami El-Taji

    To the Readers

    I dont know where Mr Ringer gets his information and facts?

    Go back to the UN files and libraries to find out the truth about the creation of Israel in 1948 .The Belfour declaration 1917 the occupation of Palestine by Britain and the division of the Great SYRIA(SYRIA/lEBANON/PALESTINE Between Britain and France after the
    Syskes-Beco agreementand declaration.
    When the Palestinian Christians and muslims were 98% of the population in Palestine before the British occupation and the massacres of Palestiniens by the Zionist terrorist organisations headed by Shamir , Begin etc latter by Sharon (who all became prime ministers in Israel) and the so called the Israelli defence forces ,the refusal of all Israelli goverments to return the Palestinien that were pushed out by terror to their own homes .Do you rememember Deryaseen massacre ,Sabra and shatila ad so many if I need to remind you I need 120 gega hard disc.
    PLEASE WATCH A FILM CALLED THE PROMISE WAS SHOWN ON CHANNEL4.co.uk starting Claire Foy and Christian COOKE (DVD-2011) BY Peter Kosminsky
    From a Palestinien citizen in Exile
    EurIng Sami El-Taji Bsc,MSc.CEng,FIChemE,FInstMC

    • combatvet

      Facts……what would a muslim know about facts. You twist them to serve your purpose but basically this forum is for Americans who love America, not intolerant primeval shills pleading their baseless case on this blog. If it wasn’t for America and Britain discovering the oil, your ilk would still be wandering the desert pounding sand. The Israelites have absolute right to their ancestral land which your ancestors, you know those religion of peace hypocrites, drove them from. That’s another comical side note, “religion of peace.” The same religion that says death to anyone who has beliefs other than mine, the religion of death and intolerance. The religion whose people were the kings of the slave trade and still practice it today! Take your Mooooslim ideas and your self-serving line of crap out of here and preferably out of America! We have learned intolerance from you medieval proponents of my way or the highway! The world would be a better place without your intolerant lot!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thank you.

    • JeffH

      BALFOUR DECLARATION&LIONEL ROTHSCHILD:

      a brief but official statement of the British government in 1917 expressing sympathy with Zionist aspirations to establish a Jewish homeland in the Land of Israel. The statement was released in the form of a letter from Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, to Lord Lionel Rothschild, a supporter of the Zionist movement. It said: “His Majesty’s Government views with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people and will use the best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.” The statement became a milestone in Zionist history.

      BalfourAuthor, Leopold Amery, Was A Hidden Jew

      Many people say that there is “too much conspiracy writing” concerning Jews, Zionists, etc. The truth is sometimes very conspiratorial and adds up to support the many theories. Take, for instance, Lord Balfour’s Declaration, written now, it seems, by a Jew who spent his entire life pretending to be a Christian, utilizing his deception to trick the League of Nations, Britain, and the U.S.A. into supporting his “Balfour Declaration.” What was supposed to have been “Christian,” was really a deceptive Jew named “Leopold Amery” who was only pretending to be a member of the “majority” in order to get what he wanted for his people who were a tiny “minority” and causing untold deaths in the process on all sides, including the Jewish side …
      http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-balfour.html

      • Vigilant

        JeffH,

        It’s difficult to see what your point is here. Are you saying that the Balfour declaration was evil, or even conspiratorial in some way? Doesn’t matter to me whether Balfour was jew, Gentile or a visitor from outer space. The statement was an official statement of the British government, and its ends were very noble.

        The Diaspora and the following centuries of persecution of the Jews almost demanded that a homeland be set aside for them. And the geographical area from which they were forcefully dispersed was the most logical place for them to return. The Holocause only served to highlight an urgent need to establish that state.

        I’ve seen that link cited before, and can be be in no way objective when it titles itself a “Scholarly Library of Facts about Domestic & Worldwide Zionist Criminality.”

      • JeffH

        Vigilant, I guess I’d say that it was conspiratorial in the sense that the Zionist Rothschilds were involved in creating the Jewish state of Israel. I believe, and correct me if I’m wrong, that if one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew. I also believe that Zionism is a rebellion against God and treason to the Jewish people. Zionists consider Jews as a race ,not unlike the Nazi’s, whereas Judaism is a faith, a belief that Adam was created in God’s image and that he is the common ancestor of all mankind.

        Vigilant, I’m by no means well read on the subject but I do believe from what I have been able to read that the Jewish people in Israel have been played to a certain degree by the Zionist “House of Rothschilds” as has the United States and the world, for great profit I might add. They created a haven where they can have their cake, complete with frosting, and eat it to.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Jeffh, I agree!_ I don’t know everything either, but heres my take on it, for what its worth___ I think Israel & America were/are joined at the hip originally…and once, again, it looks to me as if, they’ve (Israel) have been highjacked by the Zionists (much like the Democratic Party was by the Socialists)_-I think they(the Zionists) were pretty damned smart to do that, because ir-regardless wether the Zionists or the True Jew “are” Israel, the Zionists can’t lose, for two reasons. One, because of the way they positioned themselves as innocent, and two, in our Christian beliefs, God calls us to stand by Israel at all costs.

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, I can’t argue that and I’ll add in that Soros is a Zionist Jew also and is close to the PTB/Rothschild’s Dynasty.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            JeffH, So true, Soro’s is closer than most!

        • JeffH

          I have another lik that may or may not interest you.

          Sinister Sites – Israel Supreme Court
          The Israel Supreme Court is the creation of one elite family: the Rothschilds. In their negotiations with Israel, they’ve agreed to donate the building under three conditions: the Rothschilds were to choose the plot of land, they would use their own architect and no one would ever know the price of its construction. The reasons for those conditions are quite evident: the Supreme Court building is a Temple of Masonic Mystery Religion and is built by the elite, for the elite.

          The Rothschilds are one of the originators of the Zionist movement and the most active actors in the creation of the state of Israel. James A. de Rothschild financed the Knesset, Israel’s main political building. Right in front of it sits the Israeli Supreme Court, donated by another member of the dynasty: Dorothy de Rothschild
          http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-israel-supreme-court/

          • Kate8

            JeffH – I’ve just been learning about the Vatican involvement in the NWO, and I’m shocked. I always knew they were involved, but I didn’t know to what extent.

            They became interested in communism when it began to creep into western Europe, and decided to form an alliance. Pope John Paul I tried to clean up the corruption in the Church, but he was assassinated after only 33 days. John Paul II followed, was the first non-Italian from communist Poland, and set about infusing the Church with Social Justice and wealth redistribution. No wonder he was so praised by the world media.

            The Vatican is totally in bed with the Rothschild Dynasty and the NWO. In fact, the NWO was birthed at the fall of the Berlin Wall, applauded by Mikhail Boresnikov (sp), with the Pope playing a major role.

            A great source of information are books by Malachai Martin, one called “Vatican”.

            This just gets weirder and weirder. It goes deeper than any of us has any idea.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, yes, I’ve read a bit on that and check this out…Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were created and funded by…the Rothschilds. It was they who arranged for Hitler to come to power through the Illuminati secret societies in Germany like the Thule Society and the Vril Society which they created through their German networks; it was the Rothschilds who funded Hitler through the Bank of England and other British and American sources like the Rothschild’s Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian Revolution.

            The very heart of Hitler’s war machine was the chemical giant, I.G. Farben, which had an American arm that was controlled by the Rothschilds through their lackeys, the Warburgs. Paul Warburg, who manipulated into existence the privately-owned “central bank” of America, the Federal Reserve, in 1913, was on the board of American I.G. Indeed Hitler’s I.G. Farben, which ran the slave labour camp at Auchwitz, was, in reality, a division of Standard Oil, officially owned by the Rockefellers, but in truth the Rockefeller empire was funded into existence by…the Rothschilds. So the force behind Adolf Hitler, on behalf of the Illuminati, was the House of Rothschild, this “Jewish” bloodline which claims to support and protect the Jewish faith and people. In fact they use and sickeningly abuse the Jewish people for their own horrific ends.
            http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild04.htm

          • JeffH

            Rothschild’s Servitude to the Vatican – Vatican owed it’s continued existence to the Rothschilds since 1849
            Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII was known as “Hitler’s Pope”. Pacellli was arguably the most dangerous churchman in modern history. As Pontiff during World War II, not only did he fail to speak out against Hitler’s Final Solution, but he personally made the Final Solution possible!

            In the first decade of the twentieth century, Pacelli was a brilliant Vatican lawyer who helped shape a new ideology of unprecedented papal power.

            As papal nuncio in Munich and Berlin in the 1920’s, he used cunning and moral blackmail to impose Rome’s power on Germany.

            In 1933, he negotiated a treaty with Hitler, the Reich Concordat, which ensured that the Nazis would rise unopposed by the most powerful Catholic community in the world-sealing, by Hitler’s own admission, the fate of the Jews in Europe.
            http://www.nwdisorder.com/nw_disorder_catholic_vatican_relationship_to_rothchilds.html

          • Kate8

            JeffH – Yes, I was aware of the Rothschild funding of Hitler. Then, as now, no one rises to that much power without their backing. Hitler rose from nowhere into power in very much the same way as Obama. Of course, they were only unknown to us, as they were being groomed behind the scenes.

            What also is mind-blowing is that the fall of the Berlin Wall was the official birth of the NWO. Which also tells us that Reagan was part of it, too.

            It seems we’ve only glimpsed the tip of the iceberg. It’s really sickening.

            BTW, JeffH. I really appreciate that you are one of the very few who seem sincerely interested in learning the truth, even if it’s unpalatable.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, while I don’t consider myself as a “conspiracy theorist” I do find it interesting that the Rothschilds seem to be somehow connected in one way or another to just about everything and everybody that has had an affect on shaping the “world powers,world’s wars and economy”. I think it is much more than coincedence that this “dynamic family” name keeps popping up by the researchers.

          • JC

            Jeff, you’re definately on the right track.
            Search “Prince William of Hanau / Meyer Amschel Bauer”
            See where it takes you…

          • JeffH

            JC, without checking, Isn’t that the guy that entrusted his fortune to Rothschild who then screwed him to start the Rothschild’s fortune?

  • newspooner

    The concept of Zionism can be considered to be relatively simple in itself. The problem is that the political manipulation of it is so complex that it is very difficult to properly place blame for the transgreesions that have resulted geopolitically. Who are the worst transgressors? The British, who were the basic imperialists? The Americans who fueled the confusion? The Israelis who felt entitled to somebody else’s land? The Palestinians who never had a decent system of establishing property rights? The Nazis who threw racial hatred and genocide into the mix? With such a huge obfuscation of facts and real history, it is unwise for people to become invested in a clearcut position on the whole enigma in the Middle East. It is far better to go back and start making all judgements on the basis of individual freedom and rights, regardless of the political entity that is involved.

  • http://sovereignsociety Jack54

    Let us deal in some common sense:

    1. The Modern State of Israel was created from an invasion planned in the UK and started with land taken from the Arabs…who knows where the financial backing came from? and the real reasons?…it really makes no difference at this point…the situation is what it is…
    2. The Israelis have been productive people and as European transplants from post NAZI held Europe they have been very protective in a very violent climate and understandably so…
    3. Christ told us that two wrongs do not make a single right…yes, there is a problem…the Arab world needs to concentrate on being productive not destructive…the entire group of hypocrites who control world arms production and governments seem to have no real desire to stop the profitable wars and violence that makes them rich…they need to diversify their wealth to peacefull business pursuits…this not not just the Western World as it includes the China, India, Russia and the Arabs as well…being that so many people need homes, schools, water/waste water treatment plants, hospitals, roads/bridges, irrigation/productive farm lands etc…the opportunity is there to make profits…the Arabs should be peacefully asking for help and the World Community can then respond…this can happen every where in the world…the necessity is there…
    4. World leaders and those pushing them are the root cause…Ringer proposes the Might Makes Right Theory which is unfortunately correct most of the time…
    5. Obama is not a Muslim…he drinks beer, eats barbeque and loves dogs…he is overly optimistic sometimes…he is being pushed by those power groups who want a politically correct world controlled by the world business sector…these power groups believe they can replace God and develope a politically correct world whereby if you follow their rules you will be allowed to compete for living wage jobs as part of the world economy…if you don`t follow the rules you will eventually be imprisoned, starve to death or be elimated perhaps in a FEMA type camp if you are one who is a violent resistor of the system…
    Whether or not we can peaceably change things remains to be seen…but we can try…every one has to stop the false accusations and deal with the reality of the mess…Christians, Jews, Muslims and all others…we are all part of God`s creation and we need to make it work…good can overcome evil if enough of us try…friends are better than enemies…

  • http://N/a SAM

    Your wrong,Israel dont want PEACE they love war JUST LIKE THE USA

  • http://N/a SAM

    They still haven’t learned “Those who take up the sword shall perish by the SWORD ” The new Jeruselem will not be bilt by MURDER and UPRISINGS”

  • Jimmy Joe

    This author is exactly right.Most in the middle east,will not change their stripes.Our leaders are ignorant enough to believe,they are.That the muslim people,can be bought.Like the democrat party,and centrist moderates,in america,have bought,and paid for the souls of their constituents.A 25 million dollar bounty on osama bin laden,proves that.The so-called democracy movement,through-out the middle east now.That the drive-by,we love islamic gihadist media,barack obama,and the democrats,and centrist like john mccain,and lindsey graham,are celebrating,as a good thing is not.It is a caliphate,our leaders who are new world order believers,and self-inflicted sympathysers of this demonic belief system.that controls the middle east.which is bankrupting,and destroying america,the american way of life,and setting up israel,for possible annilation,by way of this islamic gihadist,and this caliphate.It doesn’t matter anymore,whether our leaders,are ignorant,or intentionally aiding,and abeiting america’s enemies foreign,and domestic!The results are the same,aren’t they!Yet we are told by the same that those who would stand up for truth justice,equality,and the american way,are not qualified,or are exremist,because they believe and would act according to,and as our founders did!rule of law,and our founding documents.Instead of being like them that put us in this situation,in the first place.To only put in status quo,go,along just to get along,and you’ll get pork for your district bribes,type leaders.who are of the same humantrafficking ilk as them.claiming,if they can’t be bought.Then they are not qualified,or are extremist!What a crock!Those that buy that lie.Are the same that are bought,and paid for by government,as well,or who has their own special interest,which they believe should be exalted above god,jesus christ,rule of law,the founding documents,human life,human rights,and human liberty,and the best interest of the survival,and independent sovereignty of america,its traditions,institutions,and beliefs.that made this country the greatest force for good,in the world.that our leaders,and media now want to change to satisfy,please,and appease those who want us either compliant,or dead!!!Notice the transformation,that has been removed,and what tyranical leaders,are not who our leaders refuse the same assistance to,and for,and from other tyrannical leaders.Those that we are helping to remove their leaders are being removed because they doublecrossed shari’a law,and did business,stayed silent,or contributed to changes in their country to set-up who they see as freedom fighters like osama bin laden.this movement is replacing the old guard appeasers of america.to implant those like the muslim brotherhood,and c.a.i.r.Who are like barack obama professional community organizers.that con,and manipulate even our leaders,media,and their bought,and paid for lemming constituency.that this is a peace movement for democracy.when its just the oppisite.Its a world caliphate with the muslim world,aligned with socialist marxist communist,labor union community organizers,communist governments,like china,russia,venezuela,brazil,cuba,and yes mexico.all aligned against america,and israel,and any free enterprise,free will,independent nation,and or people who try to interfere,or intervene.the same reason why they are destroying america from within.by way of our oil,and other energy independence,and redistributing our resources,even food supplies to those who want us dead.that no amount of grace,and substanance will change that hatred.the same that are bought and paid for,by government,here in america.no amount of truth,or facts,will change the lies told to them by their leaders.why?because its what they want to believe to excuse who,and what they are themselves.Deadbeats,predators,addicted,self-obsessesed,death,and destruction-aholics!!! Jimmy Joe “The Liarfryer”

  • Dan az

    The fact that the middle east has been fighting among themselves for thousands of years should give you a clue that nothing is going to change that.Not now Not ever,Israel has been the underdog and is know longer their slaves,and has shown the world that they can take care of them selves with out the help of the moron in the white house.We all know what his agenda is.I say let them be and stop aiding their enemies.The UN is the problem their and here,and its time to get out of their agenda to control the world.The islamist has infiltrated the white house and is trying to destroy this nation just like they are trying to get inside of the borders of Israel’s to do the same.I say let them take care of their business and we should take care of ours.They are far from being the meek that they where before, now they are just as well armed as we are and that’s what scares them. Quit tying their hands and let them do what they need to do.If the UN says that the US needs to give up our land to Mexico or even the Indians or the cave man that was here first, should we let them dictate to us as they do the Israel’s?Why not?Their doing it now,with the NWO to us!We need to get out of this unholy union and tell them to stick it and get back to what we were,A Free Nation!

    • eddie47d

      Obama is not an Islamists so stop the fear tactics. How about the fact that most Jews in Israel were wiped out in 79 AD and the rest scattered throughout the world. That was done by the Romans(Italy) so shouldn’t the Italians have a right of return? Since basically Israel ceased to exist at that point and Ringer said victory goes to the conqueror and the defeated must accept their fate. Should we accept Ringers assessment or find a solution that works for all parties involved?

      • Dan az

        So eddie You can prove that?that he is not a muslim?Please bring forth and set free the lies at last.Even when it comes from his own mouth you still refuse to believe it.Why?Is it a bad thing?I know to be a convert he is to lose his head according to the koran.Hey its his choice to be what ever he wants to be except the radical muslim that he is, that is in control of the strongest country in the world,And is hell bent on destroying it.For you my friend its time that you to open your eyes and mind and quit being the sheeple that you are.Do as your wife says go back to work things are getting impossible with the budget and you need to start adding to the nest.

        • eddie47d

          Why would he deny his past and his youthful years? Yes he was a Muslim and is now a Christian. Yes he doesn’t go to church very often (lately)but I’ve run across hundreds of Christians who never go to church. You want him to live up to your expectations and not be his own man. Most people of any Faith(Christian,Muslim,Jew,Hindu, etal) feel the same way you do. “Practice the way I do or I won’t accept you”. If everyone is blind to their own Faith then no one can see.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You just seem to love Obama’s lies.

          • JC

            eddie, I don’t want the Kenyan to live up to anything…
            I just want him to go back to what his wife calls his “homeland”.

          • eddie47d

            Yes Sir,That would be Hawaii, a part of the USA. People of every persuasion talk about their homeland and their ancestors whether Germans,Swedes,Liberians,Cubans, Canadians, Australians, or even Kenyans etc. You need to come up with new material for your dislike of reality (homelands,etc) has dislodged your marbles.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:

            May 24, 2011 at 6:18 pm

            Yes Sir,That would be Hawaii,
            _________________________________________________________________
            Um No! Michelle calls Kenya Baracks “homeland”. Not his ancestral homeland…but the place of his birth. So does his Grandmother.
            And you are still an unAmerican Union propogandist.

          • eddie47d

            JC;No more than you are a Fascist propagandist for the right wingers.

          • JC

            Some clarification for you commie47d…
            I’m a Constitutional Libertarian, an American…while you are communist filth. So scream on little freak, you’re day is coming…

      • Dan az

        Oh for the question about the roman empire, they failed as well as the english empire and reside on whats left which is the vatican and the half of an island that remains.So your point was?This trojan horse is not going to destroy this nation just because you refuse to see it.Have a nice day.

        • eddie47d

          My point exactly. Then the Jewish empire/country should no longer exist if they were defeated.– So is Ringer right or wrong? Maybe there is a reason why the Jews have been scattered all over the world. Is it to teach us acceptance of their Faith? or To get along or perish? Should they continually be the world’s whipping boy for all our problems? They only make up a fraction of the world’s population yet Jews have been blamed for everything for centuries. I’m pro-Israel and certainly don’t like anti-Jews but God hasn’t been too kind to them either. Understanding that fact why would God tell them to hate Palestinians with all the other misery He has piled on them already. Maybe Jews don’t dislike their neighbors and this is another test by God to see if they can get along with them or once again perish.I know we can’t allow Israel to be “driven into the sea” and God would not favor us to allow such a thing to happen. I really doubt if God wants turmoil in the Middle East either especially with Israels Palestinian neighbors.

          • Kate8

            eddie – God has repeatedly chastised the Jews for allowing their idol-worshiping neighbors to live among them and for adopting their ways. This is exactly what we’ve done in America – given away our blessed country to foreign idol-worshipers, and have sacrificed our own Judeo-Christian culture. God is doing to us what he has done to the Jews, and for the same reasons.

            Scripture tells of the scattering of the Jews, and it also tells how their traditions will survive intact and that they will be restored to their own land.

            Much of America is descended from those scattered Jewish tribes, and our fate is inextricably linked with them.

          • eddie47d

            America is blessed in many ways but our nation was unknown when the Bible was written. So there is no inextricably linked heritage to Israel from that point of view. There are scattered Jewish tribes all over the world even in Argentina.Why isn’t this Christian (Catholic) nation blessed as you say we are. If the Bible doesn’t mention us specifically then we are no more blessed than anyone else.Because we are an exceptional country we desire things in our minds. Thinking that God favors us over someone else could be a false illusion. I try to follow the 10 Commandments faithfully but I’m still no better than some one in Argentina who believes in those same 10 Commandments. Trust in God for He knows who is minding His store no matter where you live.

          • Kate8

            eddie – You are obviously too young to recall when life was really good in America, when people were good and honest and you could trust a man on his word.

            I never said God blessed America to the exclusion of others, nor did I say we are any better than other peoples. God blesses any people who walk in His Ways. And He removes His Blessings when they turn against Him.

            Most of the Jewish tribes scattered north, into Europe and Asia. From there, they spread around the world. The Jewish followers of Yeshua, later known as Christians, scattered as well, and since America was, until after the late ’60s, made up primarily of those of European descent, it is natural that we have had a large number of those of the Jewish tribes.

            You put too much stock in reading revisionist history, eddie. You are a product of the dumbing down by Progressive America.

  • jim

    i believe when it comes down to the nitty gritty and the jewish peaple are up against the wall they will go nuclear. I do not believe our muslim president who by the way was born in kenya can prevent it

  • Devasahayam

    A common mistake (and repeated by Ringer here) is to ignore the fact that the Arab nations did not (after Israel smashed Arab war-machines in 1948–in a war started by the Arabs, when Israel had almost no equipment) rescind the “state of war with Israel” prior to 1975–so we have to count 1967 “6-day war” and 1973 “Yom Kippur War” as battle-clusters of the same war of 1948 continued. Also, Israel had no lull/truce from Arabs, but was subjected to 19 years near-continuous bombardment with tube-artillery–and Arabs have more than once wished they could have bio-weapons, poison-gas or “dirty bombs” in the ammo.

    The term “Palestinian” was invented (to apply to Edomite Arabs–see the books of Obadiah, and 1st chapter Malachi) by Haj-amin Husseini in 1929 to institutionalise his vitriolic hatred (matched that of Hitler, with whom he arch-collaborated 1936-1945) of Jews.

    Israel is no more an occupier of territories won from the Arabs (who lost territory in war they started) than Bangladesh is of its territory (won from Pakistan in uncivil war started by Pakistan government and expanded by “invitation” of India). “Palestinians” equivalent is the bihari (Urdu-speaking Muslims who migrated in 1947 to East Pakistan–those who migrated to West Pakistan are termed mohajirs and their Pak-born descendants muttahids–and their descendants), in multiple ways:
    (*) as biharis collaborated with Pakistan military in genocide of their Bengali neighbours, so “Palestinians” collaborated with Nazis
    (*) as Arabs refuse to absorb “Palestinians”, so Pakistan since 1976 (reneging on agreement signed 1973 in presence of Bangla FM Tajuddin) have refused to accept biharis (even when mohajir dictator Musharraf–whose ancestors migrated to Delhi from Muzaffarpur in Bihar State–held power in Pakistan)

  • Cliffystones

    “The Arab world needs to man up and take responsibility for the consequences of its actions.”

    Regardless of whether you like or dislike the Jews and/or Arabs. Regardless of whether you believe he should/should not get involved. this statement is the crux of the matter IMO.

    I spent 2 weeks in Morocco, volunteering in a hospital there. Without going into specifics, it was clear to me that these folks hadn’t progressed as a society in a very, very long time. I saw example after example where you couldn’t tell where ignorance ended and stupidity began.

    If these Muslim Arabs would simply cease the hating, destruction and murder they put so much energy into, and use that energy to create a better life for themselves and their children, then their “Jew Problem” would cease to exist.

    They were unfortunate to have all of those lemons dumped on them after WWII. But with all of that oil money they can surely make some great lemonade with them.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      They may progress when they apologize to the God of the Jews for the mistreatment of the Jews.

  • EltonJ

    The Jews as we know them aren’t really descendants of Judah (most of them, anyway). There are three types of Jews:

    1. Ashkenazi Jews — Most of these are the descendents of Togarmah and ASHKENAZ. They are the Kazars — the few true blooded descendants of Judah that are among them are descendants of Shelah — the Half Canaanite son of Judah. They have no members of Pharez’s family or Zarah’s family among them.

    2. The Sephardic Jews — the Sephardics are descendants of Esau/Edom. Sephardics are the descendants of those who built Petra.

    3. Oriental Jews — Genealogically, the Oriental Jews are the descendants of Shelah. But these Jews are found in Persia and India. Most of the Shelahites, however, were spread throughout the Empire. So some of them moved into Africa and some into Europe.

    The real Judahites have an unusual History.

    Zarah’s children led a migration of Israelites into Northern Europe. They founded Troy and several kingdoms along the North. Zarah’s line settled in Ireland and in Britain through Brutus of Troy. Zarah is the founder of the European Line of Kings; especially the British Line before the Roman Conquest. So, by way of Zarah, the current Queen of England is a Jewess.

    Pharez’s children stayed in Egypt, and entered into Israel where David became the first king of the Line of Pharez. The line of Pharez officially ends with Jesus the Christ; although the Norman Kings of England claimed that they were of Pharez.

    So, again, the current Queen of England is a Jewess.

    All of the Presidents we had, except two, were connected to British Royalty and therefore — Jews! The two Presidents who were not British royals are the Imposter Adam Wieshupt (who impersonated George Washington) and our Golfer-in-Chief — Barack Obama.

    Obama is a Cushite; meaning that he is a son of Ham, therefore he is a son of Cain. If he has any Jewishness, it would be Shelah’s line.

    =======

    Oh, I digress. Anyway, the cards are all stacked for Jerusalem to get a whipping. So, all of you who support Israel, please read Revelation and a few of the late Old Testament prophets. And please understand that most of the Jews in the Holy Land are not descendants of Zerah or Pharez.

    I’m not sure if I support Israel, but I do believe that the country is still safe. However, I do support the two prophets who will be there and I do support The Prince of Peace’s future Military action there to save them.

    • Michael J.

      EltonJ said:
      “Obama is a Cushite; meaning that he is a son of Ham, therefore he is a son of Cain. If he has any Jewishness, it would be Shelah’s line.”

      I agree, my Australian friend told me that Obama is a Sheila.

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of Jihad

    By Ted Sampley* U.S. Veteran Dispatch January 2007

    Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on
    the Quaran, the Muslim book of Jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.
    Capitol Hill staff said Ellison’s swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S.
    House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.
    The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of
    America’s founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson
    books archived in the library.

    Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson’s Quran because it showed that “a visionary
    like Jefferson” believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources.
    There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be “gleaned” from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned
    the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic “Barbary” states of
    Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.
    Ellison’s use of Jefferson’s Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today is mostly
    forgotten – the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and Christian Europeans and tens of thousands of
    Americans in the Islamic “Barbary” states.

    Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The taking
    of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the
    “non-Muslim” older men and women as possible so the preferred “booty” of only young women and children could be collected.
    Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests
    of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow. Boys, as young
    as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave
    traders created “eunuch stations” along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small
    number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

    When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy Protection. With no American Navy for
    protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian Crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the “Dey of Algiers”- an
    Islamist warlord ruling Algeria because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates.
    The Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of
    John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations. Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the
    Mediterranean, the new American government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized
    American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.
    Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was
    opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled “through the medium of war.” He proposed
    a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

    In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with
    Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the “Dey of Algiers” ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress’
    vote to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey’s ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a
    nation with which they had no previous contacts.
    In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that
    Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their
    authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could
    take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships for the return of
    American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
    Not long after Jefferson’s inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and
    informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend “millions for defense but not one cent for tribute,” Jefferson pressed the issue by
    deploying American Marines and many of America’s best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS
    Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

    In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American
    slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbled as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on
    shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.
    Jefferson’s victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, “From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we
    will fight our country’s battles on the land as on the sea.” It wasn’t until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all
    Muslim slave trading pirates.

    Jefferson had been right. The “medium of war” was the only way to put an end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about
    Jefferson. He was a “visionary” wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of Jihad.

  • M.D.

    Some very good points, I must say. Some I don’t presume to be so arrogant as to say I have information to judge one way or the other.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You just admitted that you can’t think.

      • bob wire

        No! he said that he was not in a position to judge.

        There’s a big difference between not thinking and being aware of your lacking the data to judge.

        Were you being funny, crass or just obtuse? That’s a Dave “word” he like to throw it around when he refuses to grasp the jest of a comment.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You have to be able to think before you can judge.

  • DaveH

    The best we can do is butt out of other countries’ conflicts, become a Free prosperous and peaceful society with the kind of Limited Government that our founders envisioned, and set a shining example for the rest of the world to emulate.

    • Vigilant

      No argument there, Dave.

  • petrovern

    Jew this, Muslim that, Rothchilds? making Israel? Oh my goodness! Read “secret war against the jews” by John Joseph Loftus a non-jew to learn a little bit about 20th century history. Jeez!

    second, my family (german) lost 10′s of hectares of land their family held for almost 800 years to the poles after ww2, and they didn’t even support the nazis. but guess what, germany started the war, and some carpet bagger austrian ruined a great nation and over a 1000 years of culture that gave “jews” more freedom than any other european nation except for the moors in spain. BUT we willo not get our land back, as the article says, because germany was the aggresor. does Obama also thing Germany should go back to it’s pre ww2 borders? what a gonad that man is…

  • Al Sieber

    It’s not the Jews you have watch out for, it’s the Jesuits. read “Rulers OF Evil” by F.Tupper Saussy. and Dave I’d love to see us with limited Govt. again, we can only try.

    • Carlucci

      I’ve read “Rulers of Evil”, and met Tupper Saussy years ago at an event in my city. Very interesting and talented Renaissance man. I was so sad when I heard he passed away.

      • Al Sieber

        Carlucci, I wish I had the pleasure to meet him, I like his book about gold also.

  • i41

    babybrikerbabe, you nailed that fact about mot all Iraelites being Jewish. There is many Arabs that are not muslim, and would rather be know as Israelites, than radical muslim perverts of any other country. Bridget Gabeiral is a arab Lebonese who hates all muslim pervert freaks from any where, and will tell anyone who will listen. I don’t know any is surprised about the marxist/communist muslim moron beleif or any of his actions. Onumnutts was educated in madrasses, has said he is a pervert pedoohile worshipper, hates America, both by his words and actions for years. All democrats think cozying up to muslim Arab terrorists, will make them love the USA and raise our standing with the the puke pervert of the world. Jewish votes are just like the blacks, taken for granted by dems, no matter how many times they get kicked in the teeth and hosed over. Since the muslim purple lipped crossbred moron, over loaded his alligator azz and didn’t have his canary brain engaged on his speech. Several dems are agreeing with the jug eared pervert in the WH, on thinking Palistians will behave and Israel can be the size of Manhatten Island. Look at the stupid black elected bi–h who is over in Iran, jacking her blubber lipped mouth on TV to the muslim Arabs. Anything Israel will do now to protect themselves, will have to done by themselves. Because the muslim puke and unelcted agencies, will be giving billions to the pedophile perverts to remove Israel off the face of the map of the world. Hopefully some Jewish people will wake up and rebell against the crap treatment from decades of treachery of the democrat party. God help the Israelies, because USA just dumb on them and ebraced terrorist perverts in the Arab circle.

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    So you think Islam is just another harmless religion, a “RELIGION OF PEACE” described by it’s followers and promoters?

    Click on the link, watch the video, I assure you, you will be stunned, shocked and awakened!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

  • jopa

    Watching the news last night one of the channels played out Obamas, Reagans,and both Clintons take on this subject.The speeches were almost 100% identical in there context.Same speech different day so our current president doesn’t hate Jews any more than his predecessors.There is more Anti-American hate spewed towards our current President by Robert Ringer and others on this site however and that makes America weaker in the eyes of its enemies.

  • MidwestTom

    Why not make a three way deal, let Israel capture the West Bank, and the Golan heights, and a little other territory, as part of the deal where we agree to pull all U.S. troops out of all Muslim countries, and they agree to receive, and we forcefully send all present U.S. Muslims to the Islamic country of their choice. Each remaining entity can then live in their own cultural environment.

  • Charles

    If it means to die standing with the Jews, so be it. There is an eternal kingdom coming of which G_d has promised Jerusalem and all the land of Israel to be very much a part!!!

    • Robert Hauser

      Well, if you elect to flush your life down the crapper by fighting and dying for a race of sociopathic parasites, then have at it, bro’….you are obviously nothing but a liability on this earth anyway. What are you waiting for?….Go NOW over to Israel and join the so called IDF …. Israeli Offense Forces

  • http://www.charter.net James Graham

    WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Overwhelm the system
    Barack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos — thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.
    Barack Obama is my college classmate ( Columbia University , class of ’83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University . They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below.
    Taken individually they’re alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

    – Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

    – Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama’s biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama “spread the wealth around.”

    – Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who’s asking for a 51st state? Who’s asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama’s plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

    – Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

    – Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions — including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

    – Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

    With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

    Add it up and you’ve got the perfect Marxist scheme — all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan.

    • Robert Hauser

      Your talking mechanical monkey is not “brilliant” in any way, shape or form…it was jewish money straight from Goldman-SUCKS that packaged the Mackdaddy and bought his way right through the front doors and into the White house…or Coffee House I now call it. Look —and it doesn’t even have to be that closely—at the electron swarm of “advisers” surrounding the chocolate jesus….solid jews and judeophilic eunuchs. Ovomit is NOT pressuring Israel to do jack squat…that is nothing but Beltway Theater …Obummer has never been anything but a throw away Walmart tool for the juedscheist that controls this country. If Obuttnik doesn’t do PRECISELY what his jewish handlers dictate to him, he will end up like JFK, so this unmitigated flatulence about Obama “hating the jews” is pathological: his appointment as Secretary to Gnomeland Security, that ugliest of all sow gutted wart hogs, janet Winer napolitano…is JEWISH….the Mackdaddy’s appointment to that Sanctum Asinorum known as the Supine Court Fat Ass Elena Kagan is a damned jew. So those who claim that the High Yellow is a “jew hating Muslim” just like those who paint a Hitler mustachio on his face when Obama would never have the guts to be a National Socialist even if he knew jack squat about German National Socialism, are so damned retarded they shouldn’t be loose on the streets let alone allowed to vote

    • Kate8

      James Graham – I agree with everything except your assertion that this diabolical plan was devised by BHO.

      He is merely a sock puppet for a much bigger, greater evil.

      • Ann

        Kate8 – refreshing! Good for you! This is the secret. Not only is O a puppet, he is a hostage. He must do as he is told and speak what he is told to speak, or he knows he will be killed or worse, his family will be compromised. This is not just O, it has been this way for most of our presidents and the leaders of all nations on the planet.

        This is why the Bible says to pray for our government. It doesn’t say pray for it if it is good or we agree with it. O needs our mercy and prayers. If we all started praying for O, he might find the courage and divine power and protection to take back his destiny and his own soul and do and say the right and reasonable things.

        Ronald Reagan wasn’t following the Agenda, and he was supposed to be killed, but because he had so much (study quantum physics) prayer surrounding him, he was able to dodge the bullet and continue leading in a dignified and soulful way. This might be why so many people continue to point to his presidency as a model.

        P.S. Have you read Madeleine L’Engle’s “A Wrinkle in Time?” And also, have you noticed that there is no mention or symbolic reference to the United States in the Book of Revelations in the Bible?

        • Kate8

          Ann – You are so right. I remember reading something a recent leader of…Spain? Can’t recall…stating that, after being elected, he received a “visit” from the world PTB, telling him how the world “works”, and how he was to play the game…

          The all receive such a “visit”, including Congressmen, Parliament, and whatever else they get called around the world.

          Don’t cry too many tears for BHO. He comes from a line of communists, and is a willing participant. He gets to live large on the taxpayer dime. It’s called selling one’s soul to the devil, and he drives a hard bargain.

          Whether America is mentioned in the Bible is up to interpretation. Personally, I believe it is there, not just in Revelation, but in the OT prophecies, as well. I have long been a student of Biblical (and other) prophecies, and I don’t always follow the mainline thought.

  • iam

    I remember following the Six Day War and its aftermath in the papers. One thing that has always seemed strange to me is the fact that, for the first time in history, the LOSERS were allowed to try to dictate terms to settle the war. That stupidity continues today. In the meantime, the Arabs still attack and kill Israelis, yet cry foul when the Israelis strike back. They scream, “We have the right to kill you, but you don’t have the right to kill us!” Of course, asinine Liberals back them up.

    • petrovern

      Exactly IAM. Can you imagine a senario where Cuba attacked the US then lost then the rest of the world demanding the US to concede to Cuban demands? I honestly wish some people would actually think before putting something in writing. I think they need to get out in the sun and breath some fresh; their brains are not working…

  • Jeff in OH

    We should be pushing against the Palestinians instead of Israel.

    • Dan az

      Jeff
      Instead we give them aid and training and the guns to help them expand their terrorism on our alies.We are now supporting terrorism.

      • JC

        yep, gotta keep that old war machine cranked up.

  • ONTIME

    The muslim middle east has been due for a mass riot for a long while, the use of the internet, new communication devices and a realization that they the rabble are being left behind in the 21st century. The sudden input of all that communication is stirring up a hornets nest among those who now see that a new means of society besides religion is a possibility. This is where the rel batle will be.

    A thousand years of religious suppression is at work here, just like the irish and their opression under the brits who used the church to keep order, there is a line here that needs crossing, islam means submitt and it is very demanding as well as most intolerant, the philosphy is to dominate, to make all else meaningless except for the way of allah and like communism there comes a time when it shows just how senseless it becomes to be a ward of the state all your life. The need for expression is a common theme but the freedom of religious choice is denied and all energy is directed at all things not muslim and the islam call to spurn all else is used to unify and cleanse, it never stops and may now become tiresome and wearing. The time may be in sight that thought and logic overcome jingoism and mindless obediance, if that happens then maybe there is a chance for commonsense to get a foothold and stop the jihad jerk…don’t hold your breath

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    Subject: ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEWS AND MUSLIMS
    This one is quite a lesson. It speaks for itself.

    Please do your part to assuring that this message never dies.

    The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is
    ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s population.

    They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

    Literature: 1988 – Najib Mahfooz

    Peace: 1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1990 – Elias James Corey
    1994 – Yaser Arafat: 1999 – Ahmed Zewai

    Economics:(zero)

    Physics:(zero)

    Medicine: 1960 – Peter Brian Medawar 1998 – Ferid Mourad

    TOTAL: 7 (SEVEN)

    The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world’s population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

    Literature:
    1910 – Paul Heyse 1927 – Henri Bergson 1958 – Boris Pasternak 1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 – Nelly Sachs 1976 – Saul Bellow 1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 – Elias Canetti 1987 – Joseph Brodsky
    1991 – Nadine Gordimer

    World Peace:
    1911 – Alfred Fried 1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 – Rene Cassin 1973 – Henry Kissinger 1978 – Menachem Begin
    1986 – Elie Wiesel 1994 – Shimon Peres 1994 – Yitzhak Rabin

    Physics:

    1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 – Henri Moissan 1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 – Gabriel Lippmann 1910 – Otto Wallach
    1915 – Richard Willstaetter 1918 – Fritz Haber 1921 – Albert Einstein
    1922 – Niels Bohr 1925 – James Franck 1925 – Gustav Hertz
    1943 – Gustav Stern 1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
    1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 – Felix Bloch 1954 – Max Born
    1958 – Igor Tamm 1959 – Emilio Segre 1960 – Donald A. Glaser
    1961 – Robert Hofstadter 1961 – Melvin Calvin 1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
    1965 – Julian Schwinger 1969 – Murray Gell-Mann 1971 – Dennis Gabor
    1972 – William Howard Stein 1973 – Brian David Josephson
    1975 – Ben jamin Mottleson 1976 – Burton Richter 1977 – Ilya Prigogine
    1978 – Arno Allan Penzias 1978 – Peter L Kapitza 1979 – Stephen Weinberg 1979 – Sheldon Glashow 1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
    1980 – Paul Berg 1980 – Walter Gilbert 1981 – Roald Hoffmann
    1982 – Aaron Klug 1985 – Albert A. Hauptman 1985 – Jerome Karle
    1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 – Robert Huber 1988 – Leon Lederman
    1988 – Melvin Schwartz 1988 – Jack Steinberger 1989 – Si dney Altman
    1990 – Jerome Friedman 1992 – Rudolph Marcus 1995 – Martin Perl
    2000 – Alan J. Heeger

    Economics:

    1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 – Simon Kuznets 1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1975 – Leonid Kantorovich 1976 – Milton Friedman
    1978 – Herbert A. Simon 1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
    1985 – Franco Modigliani 1987 – Robert M. Solow 1990 – Harry Markowitz
    1990 – Merton Miller 1992 – Gary Becker 1993 – Robert Fogel

    Medicine:

    1908 – Elie Metchnikoff 1908 – Paul Erlich 1914 – Robert Barany
    1922 – Otto Meyerhof 1930 – Karl Landsteiner 1931 – Otto Warburg
    1936 – Otto Loewi 1944 – Joseph Erlanger 1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
    1945 – Ernst Boris Chain 1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
    1950 – Tadeus Reichstein 1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 – Hans Krebs 1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 – Joshua Lederberg
    1959 – Arthur Kornberg 1964 – Konrad Bloch 1965 – Francois Jacob
    1965 – Andre Lwoff 1967 – George Wald 1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
    1969 – Salvador Luria 1970 – Julius Axelrod 1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
    1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 – Howard Martin Temin
    1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
    1978 – Daniel Nathans 1980 – Baruj Ben acerraf 1984 – Cesar Milstein
    1985 – Michael Stuart Brown 1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
    1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 – Gertrude Elion
    1989 – Harold Varmus 1991 – Erwin Neher 1991 – Bert Sakmann
    1993 – Richard J. Roberts 1993 – Phillip Sharp 1994 – Alfred Gilman
    1995 – Edward B. Lewis 1996- Lu Rose Iacovino

    TOTAL: 129!

    The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

    The Jews don’t traffic in slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

    Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

    Muslims must ask ‘what can they do for humankind’ before they demand that humankind respects them.

    Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel ‘s part, the following two sentences really say it all:

    ‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.

    If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel .”

    Benjamin Netanyahu

    JESUS WAS A JEW WHO WILLINGLY DIED FOR ALL MANKIND!

    MUSLIMS WANT TO KILL OR ENSLAVE ALL(NON-MUSLIMS) MANKIND!

    WHICH GROUP , JEWS OR MUSLIMS, IS MORE LIKELY TO LAUNCH A NUCLEAR ATTACK ON THE CIVILIZED WORLD? Click on the link, you decide.

    http://33-minutes.com/33-minutes/

    THE ISLAMIC MEIN KAMPF

    http://www.oldbluewebdesigns.com/IslamicMeinKampf.swf

    General Eisenhower Warned Us:
    It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

    He did this because he said in words to this effect:

    ‘Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses – because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened’

    Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it ‘offends’ the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

    It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were ‘murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated’ while the German people looked the other way.

    Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be ‘a myth,’ it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

    This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

    How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center ‘NEVER HAPPENED’ because it offends some Muslim in the United States?

    Jesus answered and said unto him, VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO THEE, EXCEPT

    A MAN BE BORN AGAIN, HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD John 3:3

    • Dan az

      Dennis
      May the chain letter never stop in fact I would like to see it in the history books that has been subdued by the left to water down the facts.
      Thanks for bringing it here!

    • bob wire

      Excellent Posting Dennis ~ and it doesn’t have anything to do with what the left does Dan. ~ That’s just a boggie man of your on making for some purpose that’s all your own. ~ It feeds your need to hate ~ something, someone to blame your personal misery in your simple world of comprehension.

    • Q

      Why people wanted to kick them out of countries throughout history if you are so good — more like smart asses! You Jews are really good at conning people, period! Anything good out of it, your fraud and greed many times overwhem it; net result, the Jews are No Good!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Maybe they were kicked out because they were Good.

        • Q

          Wishful thinking and in the process you show your color as one of them.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your posting shows that you are anti-semitic idiot.

          • Q

            You and your ilk like to throw that anti-semetic this or that at people when they stated the truth and couldn’t disprove. Please hold your breath for 15 minutes, and I say bye, bye beforehand.

          • jibbs

            what an azz you made of yourself

  • Frank

    I guess the O Man should roll back all the USA borders with Mexico then also to the 1800′s lines; hell he may as well with his stand or lack of immigration policies.

    • bob wire

      Oh ! get off of it Frank. ~ it’s only opening play , a place to start.

      Netanyahu just finish speaking to congress and had the floor on their feet with grand applause many times delivering a very powerful and forthright address.

      I was impressed with what I would call his directness, saying it’s never been a question of a Palestinian State but of a Israelian state.

      The right to exist that Hamas refused to concede to.

      That Israel offers the only stability in a region of constant conflict.

      If you missed it ~ catch it ~ it’s well worth the hearing.

      • Frank

        Opening play for what????? Would you sit down and negotiate with anyone that thinks you should be wiped off the planet? There will never be peace in this region; all the Arab world is alraedy teaching their young to hate and kill Jews for the upcoming generation. Changing borders will do nothing to change this. The Chicago ‘community organizer’ is a joke on world politics and policy. Truly naive and arrogant.

        • bob wire

          3rd party position Frank !

          If you are going to the trouble to talk ~ why not start out in some constructive manner instead of guns a blazing and your final offer first?

          It makes little sense! ~ It’s like some of these movies that start out with the police chasing and shooting 50 times at someone they really want to talk too! ~ Makes absolutely no sense what soever!

          • Frank

            It was not guns blazing…rather tongue in cheek. Like I said, how “constuctive” would anything matter with people who want to take us back 2000 years in time? All they understand and respect is violence.

        • bob wire

          But you are right about one thing ~ why bother?

          I guess, “O” feels he needs to try his luck. What can I say? He’s an ambitious man. Let’s face it ~ he is a history maker regardless to how bad you hate him so.

          “O” has got started all he can start on the Job front. It’s up to others to carry the ball to the end zone. ~ “O’s” looks for the challenge is my guess.

          It was Carter’s long efforts that got Jordan, Egypt and Israel to forge a lasting peace. Of course I understand your strong need to not remember that as being a cold hard fact.

          To date, it is the only peace found in the region so peace is possible if the right people come together and see peace as in their best interest of both them and their children and children’s children.

  • 5StarTexan

    Robert, You did a great job of describing the problem and you told the truth, thank you!! I believe Obama’s goal in doing this is that he wants to become the Muslim hero and replacement for Osama Bin Laden.

    • Dan az

      Osama
      Obama
      Looks like the same one to me!

      • bob wire

        Good enough for you , ugh Dan. Much weighs in the balance for such “simple” word play.

        ~ You can look at life that way if you wish I suppose. We all came within a 1/2 inch of being a turd but why act like one? Show some appreciation in our good fortune and apply the mind you’ve been blessed with.

  • jopa

    Texas wants to secede from the United States so lets just give it to the Israeli’s.We don’t need Texas and I’m sure Israel would love it being so close to Washington.When we leave the Middle East our problems will be solved and everyone will live happily ever after.

    • bob wire

      hey wait! I live here! We were blue years ago ~ before the GOP forced redistricting on a state level. It hasn’t been the same since.

      Let us sent them Dick Perry instead! He’s a good butt boy for the right price and got a great nose for other peoples money.

    • always right

      I have a better idea, Jopa. Give them NYNY. Texas reflects mainstream America’s values, outside of the invaders from the south. It is also a boomin’ economy and a great free-enterprise state. NYNY reflects the values of YJ%J^@%%{)*w (or some other planet) and is clearly neither part of America nor any other part of the real world. We’ll toss in SFO as well, along with LA and much of the rest of Ca., Seattle, Boston, Filthydelphia, Sheetcago and the other roach motels of America.

  • http://www.grreatproducts.com bud

    Wow, a lot of discussion/bickering here! Some of it is obvious anti-semetism such as – we know who- and some of you have a logical clear thinking open mindedness. Others have heard from their professors and the left wing media and have not checked out what they heard – believing everything that comes out of the left wing media.
    I have researched the beginings of islam, jewry, christianity, and the history of the peoples and nations in the middle east. Back in the beginning the Bible made first mention of Jacob and Esau where the ethnic/racial division came about. Esau became bitter warring and lustful peoples. this is still true today. the muslim religion is one of subjugation and violence to all – even other muslims. Arabs can be peaceful peoples – but islam or muslim can never ever be peaceful.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a smokescreen. Islam “The Religion of Peace” has been at war with the non-Islamic world since the year 632. By the time of Muhammad’s death, in that year, most of the Arabian Peninsula had been converted to Islam, and the tribes of Arabia had united into a single Muslim religious polity.

    From that point Muslim conquest raged across the Middle East, North Africa, and into Western Europe. It was finally checked by Charles Martel in north-central France at the Battle of Tours (October 10, 732), a landmark battle that marked the high tide of the Muslim advance into Western Europe (called by Muslims the Battle of Court of the Martyrs)

    The crusades, so reviled by Muslims were attempts to restore Christian control of the Holy Land, and were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291. Encouraged by the failure of European armies in these crusades, Islam continued its quest to dominate the world.

    The Ottoman Empire probed into the Adriatic Sea, seeking entry through central Europe. A fleet of the Holy League, a coalition of Catholic maritime states, decisively defeated the main Islamic fleet at the Battle of Lepanto on 7 October 1571.

    Undeterred the Muslims sought to invade Eastern Europe through the Balkans, and were finally defeated there by Prinz Eugen, who scored a decisive victory against the Ottomans at the Battle of Zenta in 1697. Although they were stopped before the gates of Vienna, Muslims continued to have a major presence in the Balkans. They have been a source of discord in that area to the present day.

    The war continues.

  • Montrose

    I agree with the premise that you can’t have peace when one side wants to exterminiate the other. I also agree that Muslims educate, govern, make laws and think in terms of their religion. I even agree with something I heard Rush Limbaugh say, “You do’t negotiate peace, you negotiate terms of surrender.” BUT you can’t blame Obama for a change in plan. I saw on Hardball last night a video of Bush in 2008 speaking of peace negotiated around the 1949 borders, that is the same as “pre-1967 borders”, and Clinton said something similar in 2001. So whoever is pulling the strings, its not the President it sounds like someone’s agenda. Someone who can pull the strings on Presidents from different parties. I don’t agree with it at all. But its not just Obama.

  • http://none Karl Larsen

    This author knows what he is talking about. Been there and as a Jew I was given the party line and believed it. Then I talked to some Muslims and got about the words. The problem in the middle east is not between the people there, It is about what the Leaders think, and that is hard to get. Everyone has a 1000 years ago thing that was terrible. I didn’t except in Europe in WW2 when I lost some relatives to the gas chambers in Germany.

  • i41

    frank, the only thing these muslim pedophile perverts understand in constuctive dalogue is to take some more land and build more settlements. These worthless Palistians are pigs and closely behave like the porcine types. When Israelies create settlements, sewage treatment, running water, and food production happens in these remote areas. When the sand pigs movein the use a corner of a room as a defacating area. Just like hogs do in a pen, the muslims stink because water might keep them clean, and do not get rid of garbage and let it pile up. Think these ideology idoits would welcome moderation instead of 3rd world living. Just go to any indian reservation where money and building of anything is no problem. But between stone age culture and victomolgy beleifs, you will see a stinking, trashed out area with gang trouble makers and a sorry assortment of drunks, drug users who blame everyone else for their lot in life, instead of their hertiage and living in the past, of stealing whatever and killing for the hell of it, no matter who it was or where.

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    We’ve all seen many untruths, but this looks like a good
    read. Judge for yourself…..

    More Fraud?
    Snopes won’t provide and answer…………not surprising!
    Is This simply one more lie from our truth-less leader?
    It gets even better:

    Before clicking on the link, scroll
    down and read the UPDATE story.

    Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:03 AM
    Subject: The Mystery of Barrack Obama continues:
    Click on the link to view the story “The mystery of Barack Obama continues”.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/

    UPDATE: OBAMA’S GRANDMOTHER GAVE HIM HIS ILLEGAL SSN!

    An investigation has revealed the identity of the man whose
    Social Security number (SSN) has been illegally used by Obama:

    Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, emigrated to the
    United States in 1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425. Ludwig
    lived most of his adult life in Connecticut. His SSN begins with the
    digits 042, which are among several reserved for Connecticut
    residents. Obama never lived or worked in that state, so there is no
    reason for his SSN to start with the digits 042.

    NOW COMES THE BEST PART!

    Ludwig spent the final months of his life in Hawaii, where he died.
    Conveniently, Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, worked
    part-time in the Probate Office in the Honolulu, Hawaii Courthouse, and therefore had access to the SSNs of deceased individuals. The Social Security administration was never informed of Ludwig’s death, and because he never received Social Security benefits, there were no
    benefits to stop and no questions were raised.

    The suspicion, of course, is that Dunham, knowing her grandson was
    not a U.S. citizen — either because he was born in Kenya or became a
    citizen of Indonesia upon his adoption by Lolo Soetoro — merely
    scoured the probate records until she found someone who died who
    was not receiving Social Security benefits, and “selected” that SSN for Obama.

    Just wait until Trump gets past the birth certificate and moves on to the issue of Barry O’s use of a stolen SSN. You will see leftist heads exploding, because they will have no way of defending Obama.
    Although many Americans are not smart enough to understand the
    meaning of the term “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN,” there are few who do
    not understand that if you are using someone else’s SSN, it is a clear
    indication of FRAUD!

    • Robert Hauser

      Good stuff to know…..Oboma’s Kenyan birth is not the alpha and omega of this whole case against him: there are numerous grounds for his immediate impeachment as Commander-in-Thief….but the birth issue alone is enough to get the large bolder rolling downhill. After three years of unmitigated ass dragging, and just days before announcing that Osama bin Laden had been “killed” for about the fifth time during the ten years during which he had already been dead, the chocolate messiah “release” a document that was so obviously a forgery that it might just as well have been hand made by his own daughter, Sasha, as a school class project. The entire Obama regime is a very sick joke that has never been funny and is just as jewish controlled as the light system in the Knesset.

      • bob wire

        “the chocolate messiah ” and you expect people to listen to you?

        I don’t think so ~ and the Tea Party is not bias to race? ~ I don’t think so,

        • JC

          How do you explain all the blacks, asians and natives in the Tea party?

    • karolyn

      BS! The first 3 numbers are the area numbers; however “The applicant’s mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.” (from the SS website). Before 1986 children were not required to get SS numbers. At that time it became a requirement for all children reaching the age of 5 to get one. Obama left Hawaii at 6 and was sent back to Hawaii from Indonesia by his mother in 1971 at 10. To me, this story just does not compute; it makes no sense. Nobody got SS #s for kids in 1961, when he was born. It wasn’t even thought of. It doesn’t matter that the guy that died was not receiving SS benefits. If his death was probated, it would still have gone into the records; and his SS # would have been retired. Also, when did this guy die?

      • http://deleted Claire

        karolyn– I had my social security card/number in 1957 while I was in high school. I went to work in a restaurant when I was 16.

      • Carlucci

        karolyn – nobody is “required” to get a social security number. It is something that a person has to apply for. If it was “required”, everybody would automatically get a ss card in the mail. I had to apply for a ss card when I was 16 because I wanted to get a job at a flower shop.

        Enumeration at birth began in the seventies, where hospitals were paid for every baby that was born there who was assigned a ssn. The loophole was for the parents not to name their baby at the hospital. No name, no ssn could be assigned. I know two couples that did this very thing in the mid nineties. They told the “worker bee robot” social worker to stop coming by their room to see if they had named their baby, as they wanted to take their baby home and live with him/her for a few weeks to choose what name fit them from a long list of names they had picked out. And that is exactly what they did. I thought it was a great idea, too. Heck, it took me two weeks of living with a new basset hound puppy to figure out a name that fit her to a T (Chloe Jolie).

        • libertytrain

          Carlucci – at some point in the 80′s I think it was, each child, or dependent needed a SS number if you had any plans to declare them on your taxes. Unless I’m remembering totally wrong, I am getting older – but that’s the only reason we got them for our kids and they were not at an age they could have worked – :)

          • Carlucci

            liberty – I heard that the feds were going to do away with that as well -declaring kids on a tax return.

          • libertytrain

            And I hear they may be doing away with kids all together soon….. :)

          • libertytrain

            Of course, I am making light of something that is actually terrifying – given what the Nazi’s did with the Jewish little ones as they arrived in those camps.

  • thchristian

    Why don’t many in the media talk about the 50-66 million Christians that were slaughtered in Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. The “forgotten” Holocaust from 1917-1942. This one was bigger and please do explain who orchestrated this Holocaust of Orthodox Christians….pls do tell….I’m eager to hear

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The people were not unlike the Liberal/Leftists in this country.

      • bob wire

        No, not at all alike, This is just your jaded view of the Left of center and shared by the accelerated and misinformed.

        A little reality in your vision what do you good.

  • Robert Hauser

    “Furthermore, the Jews insist God gave them the land, and that’s a pretty strong debating point to overcome, even if you don’t agree with it. The truth is that the situation is so complex no one knows all the facts, and, worse, most of the loudest voices (such as those in Hollywood) know almost none of the facts. But some things are crystal clear:” your own word, and the one thing that IS crystal clear here is that YOU certainly don’t know all the facts, one of which, according to the jewish scribbler, Joel Stern, is that the loudest mouths in Hollywood are its iron fisted controllers…JEWS, by his own gloating. Another fact you don’t know is that in October of 1973, Egyptian forces got under Israeli radar at about 1 pm with 222 of their warplanes and pounded the snot out of the jews in the Sinai desert and the battle would have been a total and absolute route had it not been for an immediate U.S. airlift…if Israeli military forces are “superior” to those of their justifiably disgruntled neighbors, it is due to the obscene largesse of aid from right out of the American tax slaves’ pockets and the sheer masses of weaponry like the Mirage IIIs that attacked the unarmed American ship, the USS LIBERTY, on June 8th, 1967…another little fact either you didn’t know or find disruptive to your judeophilic lala land.

    Your drivelous columns are about what could be expected from Medford Evans or somebody else in the kosher “conservative” John Birch Society’s Speakers’ bureau.

  • Robert Hauser

    I have no desire whatsoever to live under either talmudic (Noahide) or Sharia “law”….they are both sociopathic and deranged. The single most coprophagous hoax in mankind’s recorded history, the credit cartel calling itself the “federal reserve bank” (which is NOT a bank in any lawful definition of the term) which has financially plunged a knife deep into America’s back and has Benjamin Buttface Bernanke’s pawprints all over it…is owned and controlled strictly by Rothschild jews….the “U” and “K” you see on cans and bottles and packages of everything in the grocery store shelves including nonfood items are a main reason why the cost of food has always, since 1926, been far higher than necessary…it’s an outrageous jewish “tax’ imposed for the fact that some freaking rabbi went into a manufacturing plant or cannery and bestowed a so called “hechscher” blessing on whatever was being produced. And the food or other manufacturing plant immediately passes that on to you the consumer…

    Today in America, in flat contradiction to the Constitution, we are all cursed to live under jewish “law” every god damned day of our lives and lobotomy cases like Ringer are too braindead to see it.

    What a lop.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Go post with the sites that will make you happy.

  • Anthony Manzella

    Congratulations! You nailed it! Some may say it differently, but no one will say it better!

  • i41

    Robert Hauser, then you had better get ready to live under Shia law becuse our judical system will not prosecute the black Clypso Louie Fkacoon and his islamic brotherhood or black panthers. Our marxist/communist muslim in the WH and his agency morons are sending and spending billions to give weapons to the pervert worshippers in several muslim countries. Also don’t forgewt it was Russia that was going to step in anfd help the muslim pervs if Israel would have kept advancing, whatt did the USA do sit on this thumbs. Should have told Rusian to butt out and let the Israelies keep in going and thin out the sand n–ers even more.

  • http://robertRinger Ira

    I try to remain silent on these affairs, unfortunately it upsets me to watch a country self destruct (U.S.).
    Historically Isreal was created in 1947, Truman (our then president) helped in it’s inception.
    Our next president Eisenhower did an admirable job of dealing with all of the forces in the middle-east and keeping everything from exploding.
    He was labeled by the Jews as “anti-semetic” and later he was blamed for this and that, so his contributions even in WWII are downplayed.
    The next president was J.F.K. and he had his hands full (not having nearly the experience of Dwight D.).Interestingly Isreal at this time was working on developing the BOMB unknown to Eisenhower(a device they almost used against Egypt during the 70s).
    Then Kennedy was killed the time is 1963. The continuance of the government broken. Suddenly we are in Viet-Nam and nobody has time or interest to deal with the middle-east. The 7 day war errupts.
    Since Kennedys’ death we have allied with everyone on the face of the globe(something the founding fathers would have frowned on).
    Meanwhile we lost all control of our borders and immigration simulaneously “civil rights” was implemented for “minority” populations. Fraud and other illeagal activities have become rappant. White flight from the cities STILL goes on as people flee the mounting pressure placed on them by the threat of violence and crime.
    The only seemingly constant is “we support Isreal”. No country in history has EVER SUCCESSFULLY CONTINUED TO EXIST WHEN THEIR PRIMARY DOCTRINE IS THE UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY WHICH IS INVOLVED IN CONTIUOUS SUBJUGATION AND SUBTREFUGE FOR IT”S OWN BENEFIT and survival. Examples Austria Hungary Germany Rome east and west.
    This however is just part of the story, the part that seems to be forgotten.
    I am further troubled,having attended church my entire youth, by the cries of Jews (now atheists) who scream “forget the book” it’s trash.
    The one thing taught repeatedly in the bible is “Gods choosen people” ALWAYS FORGOT THE BOOK, hence they were cast out of Judeah, and punished. In the beggining Moses,who among others I believe was a real individual came down from the mountain to find his tribes WORSHIPING a calf idol, he threw down the stones of the 10 commandments chastised them and had to go back up the mountain.
    It seems that for all of recorded history this same story repeats, and repeats, and repeats. So what else is new????
    Wheither you view the bible symbolically or literally if you have ever read it past page one you know the book to be real and important if just as a historical reference.
    Why do we have “The Holocaust Museum” it didn’t happen here, we were the victorious who stopped the murder, now we the TAXPAYER have to pay for the memorial???Come On. While this is small potatoes compared to the amount of taxpayer money wasted’ it is symbolic of the waste. It also shows the influence of the Isreali lobby and one of the reasons our legislators are so out of touch with the country.
    I was taught honesty, not dishonesty and deception and not the destruction of this country so Isreal can survive.
    This country was created by hard work and “honest” government but has become mired in…………….

  • Geoman

    Two points:
    One. Arabs have democratic rights in Israel and even sit in the Knesset .
    Two. P. Obama’s declaration re the 1967 borders is like PM Netanyahu suggesting the US Border return to the pre 1848 lines when Mexico owned the Southwest US. I’m sure the Texans would love to be living in or evacuating the “revised” Mexico .

  • Old Henry

    Mr. Ringer:
    Good article, and oh so true. Look anywhere Muslims have “taken over” and you will see poverty and oppression. There are areas of London for instance that are essentially ruled by Muslims and they are rife with unbelievable poverty and crime. The police will not even og there. These people are basically animals and almost sub-human.
    You state:
    Having said all this, I will make an unequivocal prediction right here and now: If Israel is ever destroyed and the Jews are banished from the Holy Land, nothing will change for Mideast Muslims. Nothing!

    Well sir, one thing will change. If Israel disappears it will be with a complicit United States. The one thing that will change is the fact that the U.S. will also disappear for allowing God’s people to be over-run by the godless rag-heads.
    You also state:
    In other words, the fact that Jews now control Israel is a red herring. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, radical Muslims would start a frantic search for a new devil to blame for their dysfunctional lives. Nothing will change for the so-called Palestinians until they start acting like responsible adults and hold themselves accountable for their own failures.
    They have had how many thousands of years to “man-up” and so far have made the distinct conscious choice not to do so.

    In retrospect I am not sure that many millions in this country have not chosen the very same path.

    Thinngs world-wide seem to be falling into place as God puts the final pieces in place.

    If the communist anti-America Muslim manages to sneak back into OUR White House it may well be the final piece of the puzzle.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Old Henry, good posst. Thank you.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Old Henry, I am sorry about the spelling error.
    Old Henry, good post. Thank you.

    • Old Henry

      Nadzieja Batk:

      No problem.

      Ya gotta watch dem pesky keebords! They mis-spell werds alla time!

  • Rich

    Having visited Israel last year, it is apparent that many of the Arab population living in Israel have done pretty well. Maybe not up to most U.S. standards but pretty good for the Middle East. Hard to understand why they can’t accept the fact that Israel has made that land flourish. Seems like many in Jordan see it.

  • American Citizen

    The Jews are called “God’s chosen people” because he chose them to be the ones through whom He chose to reveal Himself. After Adam’s sin, Heaven was closed and Adam and Eve had to go forth from Eden to make their way as best they could. God hid Himself from them until he chose the time to once again revel Himself to man.

  • Anthony

    NOT ONE PERSON ON THIS BLOG HAS VOICED ANY TYPE OF OUTRAGE OVER THE FORCIBLY DISPLACED PEOPLES DURING THE RECREATION OF ISRAEL. NOT ONE.

    QUITE A FEW OF YOU seem to think “sneering” is quite an acceptable behavior for so-called adults. And, if the posting is a sneer, there’s nothing to back up you point(s) of contention.

    Most of the claims of anti-semitism, are based solely on what YOU’VE BEEN TOLD TO THINK, by your little alpha-wave machines, commonly known as televisions. YOU CAN TELL how many of you totally get the majority of your news updates from the CFR-controlled Media.

    MY MAIN POINT WAS the USA doesn’t NEED to be giving money to OTHER Countries, when they can’t take care of their own. But, to stop that nonsense, we would have to DEMAND an END to THE FED. And, many of you, right here, can’t seem to fathom making that happen. You have almost all imposed decoy conversation.

    The Rothschild is seriously no joke. He who controls a Nation’s currency, therefore controls those citizens. Do you really think our elected Officials have ANY actual say in how our own currency is manipulated? Are you really THAT stoopid?
    Have you watched: The Money Masters?
    Have you watched: MAX IGAN’s – The Big Picture?
    Have you watched: The Secret of OZ?

    In other words, have you ever done any homework on what’s really in The Federal Reserve Bill? What about the text in the TALMUD??

    Just because you might have been raised in America, doesn’t mean you should implement “blind patriotism” … if it quacks, it’s still probably the AFLAC duck and not some goose, ya know.

    If you disagree with me, bring proof. I’ve just reminded you, yet again, of the Documentaries you should have already seen, but probably feel are beneath you… since most of you poat like Know-it-alls.

    Self anointed Social Directors… usually the worst of the lot, and the first to scream when they suddenly can’t pretend they haven’t been had.

    Bring me proof .. those videos you can actually watch on:
    http://www.nwofordummies.com

    • Al Sieber

      I with you 100% Anthony.

  • http://www.xyngular.com/terrymuniz Terry Muniz

    Rather than give an opinion on such a complex issue, I decided to educate myself in this whole issue of Muslims and Christians. To understand I read the book. Infidel, by Ayaan Hirshi Ali. I got a pretty good insight on how Muslim women live. Especially her graphic explanation on how she and her sister suffered when two clerics – not doctors – cut off their “clitoris” in cold blood and without any regard for infection, pain or anything else. Wow! That was a wake up call. The rest of her life is a really profound incite on these Muslim beliefs. If American females were to ever read this, it would surely change their perspective.

    Then I read, Hatred’s Kingdom, by Dore Gold. I didn’t even know what a Wahhabi was and how they have fanned the flames of Al-Qaeda’s fury and how and why the Saudi support all of this. On the other side of the fence I read this thick book called, Israel’s Secret Wars. Westerners, Americans, believe me; we are very innocent about the happenings on this earth. OK so both sides are dead set in that they each OWN the TRUE God; so how are we going to consolidate this. Hum!

    Let’s put Christians into the soup. The continents of North and South America believe in the Bible, yet only 31 % have read some parts of it. 24% have never read it, yet they would die for the principle of the bible. Now if you really want to blow your mind read, “The Book the Church doesn’t want you to Read” by Tim C. Leedom. If you are a True Christian, you’re going to have a lot of trouble finishing this book. You are not going to want to release all your beliefs, and neither are the Muslims, nor the Jews. Clash is inevitable.

    Why does the Vatican own one of the worlds best telescopes? For that I read, “The Christ Conspiracy” by Acharya S. The entire bible and all Christian belief are based on… astrological readings!? Impossible! Hum! All current wars, Middle East, Africa, etc… are based on clashes of religious belief. Ah! I found the solution. I found It. The Book, “The End of Faith”. He suggest that if we erase every historical reference from the time the astronauts landed in their Rocket Ship on Mount Sinai to hand over the 10 commandments (which 90% of Christians don’t know what they are anyway) to the invention of the Biblical Christ at the Counsel of Nisea, and we got rid of all reference to a God and replaced it with “something like” the Buddhist belief, all wars would end. Well… wishful thinking, but that is not going to happen is it.

    But wait a minute… what about all this Mythology, by C. Scott Littleyton. Well, it is just a bunch of stories, right. Well maybe not. Why is it that all the mythological stories are very similar regardless of what part of the world they are coming from or referring too? Is there a common point of reference? National Geographic’s thinks so. Ancient Sumerian tablets which date back 20,000 years have begun to be deciphered recently. Some of this secret information is held by the Masson’s… Is it possible that Homo sapiens evolved from Homo erectus, or was there a genetic intervention somewhere? If so who? Well, Graham Hancock in his book Fingerprints of the Gods begins to revel some INTERESTING thing about man kind, but Michael Tellinger, in his book “slave species of god” blow the whole lid wide open, If ALL the people on this planet open up to all this information, we would make a enormous progress. Maximillien de Lafayette makes some pretty wild and extensive claims in the Encyclopedia of the Anunnaki… but maybe it is NOT so wild. So, were we going to end up people? The “48 Laws of Power” shows us that we have no choice. The choice has been made; it is a matter of when the world will act on it. And it is very destructive. Robert Kiyosaki in his book, “Conspiracy of the Rich” demonstrates WHO is doing the pushing and why. Can we mere mortals get prepared? Where did you say your moving to; Costa Rica or was it, never mind… don’t let the Invisible Gorilla get you by Christopher Chabris.

    • libertytrain

      Whoosh, that was an interesting read…

    • bob wire

      Seems you’ve been very busy Terry. ~ thanks for the perspective.

      • eddie47d

        I envy you Terry for having an open mind. I wish I had time to read even a fraction of those novels. I love my Christian Faith and also know the world is bigger than a singular knowledge.

  • Chris Phillips

    There is plenty of evidence to prove Israel has been a dubious ally of America at best, and that The Israeli defense forces are perpetrators of crimes against humanity. Further, Israel’s racist, human rights abusing “democracy” is not worth a damn.
    On a final note, The Jews of America and Israel have cost the American taxpayer at least 5 trillion dollars in direct and indirect costs. The Jews of this country are just lucky that most Gentiles are dumb and ignorant — unlike Europeans, who mostly view the Jews of Israel as the chief trouble makers in the Middle East.

    • http://certus-certus.blogspot.com Raymond Harbin

      PHILLIP– THIS COMMENT IS BEYOND A SHADOW OF ANY DOUBT, THE MOST ABSURD, RACIST, FABRICATION I HAVE EVER READ OR HEARD OF ON THE INTERNET. WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE EVEN ONE LINE OF THIS DRIVEL?

      ” AND I WILL BLESS THEM THAT BLESS THEE AND CURSE THEM THAT CURSE THEE.” THERE ARE SOME THINGS FROM WHICH YOU CANNOT HIDE.

  • jopa

    Tery Muniz: so you did plenty of reading and came up with your own solution to Americas problems and the problems of the world.All of the different books you claim to have read are just more propaganda and views of others.How do you know if they were just pulling your leg or not or are you just going to claim everything as fact because it was written in a book.Kinda like look out the sky is falling isn’t it.

  • Tom Raines

    Both parties and anyone with any influence on our government ,all the people who have run this country with greed is too blame for the disaster that is about to hit our economy.
    every republican since nixon has turned thier backs on the blue collar,working middle class in this country..I am tired of hearing the blame .
    On the democrat side they have thrown open our borders and pushed Nafta ,allowing an overflow of immigrants into this country taking american jobs.
    On the republican side they have allowed these big corporations to sell us out to india,china,south and central america.
    The democrats have pushed epa standards to the point that corporations moved to other countries to save the expense.
    Now both parties have allowed so many taxes and hurdles to anyone starting thier own buisness.
    I think if you follow my point you will see that this blame game is only smoke and mirrors to make you think thier doing something,when they really want it to stay the same,because all the players have the cash flow right where they want it except the american laborer.

  • Tom Raines

    well whats the big mystery when it comes to the president and isreal,
    In dreams of my father obama stated if times get tcumultious and I am forced to choose I will stand with my muslim brothers,and as far as the arabs they have said they will never rest until the Zionist ocupiers have been driven into the sea.

    • California70

      Why doesn’t our whole Country understand that BO is a Muslim in his heart. It’s as plain as the nose on your face. He is a muslim alright.

      He needs to be impeached! Just what is wrong with our electorate? Are we such stupid people, we don’t even know how to impeach BO because he is a black man? Everyone is afraid of being called a “racist”. I’m getting tired of being threatened all the time. Call me any darn thing you want and long a BO gets impeached.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    I watched Net’s speech today before the joint session of Congress. He made more sense in that one speech than BO”s collective thoughts ever had. One of the major points he made is how do you live in peace with neighboring countries whose very national charter calls for Israels destruction? How long would we set still and tolerate rocket and mortor attacks on a daily basis from a sworn neigboring enemy. The Palestinians need to be wiped from the face of the earth as they are nothing but global trouble-makers. Even their fellow Arabs don’t want them. For Israel to go back to pre 1967 borders is not only foolish but suicidal. BO hates the so-called colonial powers. His grandfather was an accused Mau-Mau terrorist in Kenya. These were the terrorist murders of their day. BO is a terrorist sympathizer at heart. The acorn didn’t fall far from the tree. Israel is very lucky to have a PM like Net., while America is cursed with this incompetent fool as a President.

    • bob wire

      you added some of your own commentary there gunner but that was the jest of it for sure,

  • Julian

    Interesting in 1967 Egypt entered a high stakes poker game with Isreal and lost, now they want thier money back. I have never done do-overs in gambling, if you can’t afford to loose you don’t play.

  • aman

    Jew Haters??? Seems to me nobody has stirred up ire more than these self-styled so-called Jews.

    Additionally, these self proclaimed Jews are actually Ashkhanazi or in reality Eastern Russian peoples of

    rouge heritage. They haven’t an ounce of Hebrew blood! They belong to a religious cult that has absolute

    contempt for Jesus Christ. Just look for yourself in their book the Talmud. God’s chosen people is in reality

    the bloodline God himself perserved to ensure the divinity of Jesus the Christ. God’s chosen people are

    in effect Christian! How stupid one would have to be in believeing the Jewish Cult are the chosen.

    Really, and after they saw that he suffer and die by the cross. Jesus you should could of forgiven

    the ancient Jews yet he didn’t! Instead he left it up to the Father. ” Father forgive them for they know

    not what they do.” Just remeber that!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Aman: as to your point of view, your name says it all. You are obviously selectively ignorant of World History, especially the Roman era, and the Bible, which in the Old Testiment spells out the history of the Jewish people and God’s love and favor of them. Islam is a bastard religion based on cult believes with an evil intent.

  • Bert Cundle

    The truth is: Israeli means… Overcommer! Once sayed, he that overcommith all is at victorys most!”Goverment” (But, He that overcommith all “hath NOTHING!) Israel & Jew Are different! Jew, is a citizen of Judia! SO MUCH BLOOD SPILT & LIVES LOST BEACUSE OF STUPIDITY & IGNORANCE. { Earth: The Pit of the Universe!}

  • Mike

    I suspect the UN is planning a military action against Israel on similar grounds to the reason for our involvement in Libya: “The obligation to protect.” They will make it appear they are defending the oppressed palestinians from the brutal Israelis. The entire world will come against Israel and appear to be driving Israel into the sea. Then Yeshua will come to her defense and win in such a way the entire world will see tht it was He who saved Israel, and not the USA. Even Israel will understand Yeshua at that point.

  • Alice MacDougall

    Bill Clinton had an agreement with the Palestinians giving them 90% of what they wanted and they turned it down. What they really want is every Jew dead.

    • eddie47d

      There are Americans that want all Muslims dead too. The Palestinians did make a big mistake when opportunity knocked,when Clinton was President.

    • Silver Bullet

      ……@Alice MacDougal
      ….I think what eludes most people today
      is that we are in the throws of the Fourth
      Crusade. Modern Muslims are taught that their
      social order is their religion. Have you
      ever heard of Muslimism? Islam is simply a
      religious cloak placed over the Muslim social
      order whose credo is “Convert Or Die”. They
      have amassed armies three other times to
      conquer all mankind and covert them or kill
      them. As the heathen hordes encroached upon
      the Christian realms, they were asked to have
      pity and spare the Christians. The Muslim
      Hordes murdered women, children, elderly and
      anyone who would not convert. The Christians
      response to this slaughter by these cowardly
      creatures was to amass the Christian Armies
      who fought back the Satanic Muslim Credes,
      easily killing them all since they would not
      lay down their arms in truce. The Muslim lands
      were invaded and so many of the feeble minded
      cowards were killed that they were unable to
      attack the Christians for another five-hundred
      years until their population grew and then came
      the next Crusade.
      ……The situation today is that the anti-American
      forces have overtaken many of Americas institutions
      and have applied them against us. There will be
      no Christian Army this time. The Christians have been
      forbidden from defending themselves. Remember that
      the enemy mission is to convert you or kill you. This
      is not about money. This is not about capitalism or
      wealth. This isn’t even about lands or titles.
      The only way proven to stop these mindless heathens
      is to kill them, which is one of their most cherished
      forms of death – to die killing a non-believer.

  • Alabama Red Neck

    Just a few lines to clear up somw issues. I can tell most of the
    posting on this site is not a fan of the Jews. Notice that GOD has a
    book called the BIBLE. It does not matter what you say or think about
    it. Read it slow and carefully and you will find that the JEWS are a
    nation choosen to HIMSELF…Read slowly Gen. 12:1-6 and see what GOD
    will do to those nations that hate the JEWS and those that love them.
    Just remember GOD is still on the throne and in control of everything
    that happens in this world…All i want to say is you had better be on
    the side of GOD. UNDERSTAND////

  • http://personliberty.com Shirl from Alabama

    since Obama said move the borders back to ’67. I really think he just proved he is a Muslim. I didn’t vote for him because I saw right through him.

  • messup

    The USA’s administration has worked hard in garnering Middle Eastern support for an “anti-christian” agenda. If we accept four simple truth’s,i.e., dismanteling the US Constitution by:1) “dumbing-down” of all education, 2) secularizing religion, 3) altering US capital/financial markets, and 4) expanding government into every segment of US society then we can understand this Administration’s strategy in making religion irrelevant (namely Christianity). By supporting Islamists (Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Pakistan et al this Administration has successfully amassed the Middle East against the only Christian nation there – Israel. This is “change.” The “transformation” side of Mr. Obama’s equation is the Islamic/US union. So, we have the marxist/leninist, socialist, islamic block united against christian nations…a coup by any measure.

    • Silver Bullet

      ……@messup
      ….Please continue to provide comments on this site.
      ….Yours is the most cogent insight I have seen.

    • eddie47d

      US Presidents have been meddling in the Middle East for several decades so dropping your nonsense in Obama’s lap is pathetic at best. Because of the Democracy movements throughout this region (something other Presidents hadn’t accomplished) Obama may be on to something.He could be giving them the impetus they never felt they had from other Presidents. Other Presidents were too blinded by oil instead of Liberty.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    The only peace Islam wants is the peace of the grave. Let’s give them the peace they crave.

  • jopa

    Robert Ringer takes one sentence and cuts it in half giving it a totally different meaning to make our Our President look bad.I didn’t pay too much attention to the above article until I watched Lawrence O’Donnell and he brought the subject up and explained what all the bogus fuss was about.Netanyahu and Obama said exactly the same thing and there was no anti Israel rhetoric in their talks.I guess Vigilant was right and you really have to check out what the authors on this site are saying in twisting things around.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Jopa: correction; Your President.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      This president does a fine job……………. of making himself look bad. He doesnt need a bit of help. He has failed at every turn and in every step, and still, he does what he did to get elected, he blames every body else. His pride and arrogance are his downfall, and he is falling hard.

  • jopa

    gunner689: You have that right, I am an American citizen and resident of the USA.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      you’re also a lemming ready to follow a snake like BO off a cliff.

  • elementalist

    For a lot of great info on the Palestinian/Israel issue go to http://www.masada2000.org

    Gob bless those who bless Israel.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It just kills me when I hear the pacifism of we should stay out of it, and its not our business. I remember a long time ago, there was a little old guy named Adolph. And people said “its none of our business”, and they stayed out of it, until pretty soon little Adoph had destroyed almost all of Europe and left it in ruins, and had his designs on running the world, then America and its allies stepped in and put the smack down on his monkey arse, and the rest is history. And if you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. If we dont act now and stop these muslim fanactic murderers, whose only goal in life is to see Israel and America fall, and sit back and say its none of our business, then you need to get educated as to who these guys really are. I assure you, that if you are indeed an American, it is your business, and if you dont take care of it, you wont have any business left to take care of, as they live only to take it from you. So you can sit back and be a pacifist, and stick your stinking head in the sand and say “its not our business”, until they are standing beside you sharpening the sword to cut off that very head you have buried in the sand. And that is how it is, if you chose to live in the world of reality. So dont sit there and lie and try to tell us all it isnt any of our business, because it is in the interest of all of our business’s that we take care of this now. If you cant understand this, I dont think anyone can help you.

  • California70

    Great article Mr. Ringer.

    As Golda Mier said, “Until they love their Children more than they hate the Jews, there will be no peace”.

  • http://newyorkjetsjerseyspro.blogspot.com/ newyorkjetsjerseyspro.blogspot.com/

    This is a little something for you.I’m in a hurry!He can’t take a joke.Could I have those two tickets, please? This is only the first half.He was married to a friend of mine.He was married to a friend of mine.Do me a favor? Feel better? There is a chair below the window.

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