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The Transportation Security Administration Gets Up Close And Personal

December 10, 2010 by  

The Transportation Security Administration Gets Up Close And Personal

Trust Jay Leno, America’s humorist, to get a laugh out of it. The Tonight Show audience howled when he said, “It was bad enough when the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents would go through your underwear in your luggage. Now they’re going through your underwear while you’re wearing it.”

A friend of mine also tried to make light of the situation. After a recent trip he remarked, “I was patted down so vigorously, I didn’t know whether to leave a tip or lodge a complaint.” But in truth, there’s nothing funny about the new and aggressive screening that many travelers have encountered at the airport this holiday season.

It all began when those wonderful folks at the TSA purchased the latest in full-body scanners. The machines — which require you to not only take off your shoes, but also remove your belt, empty your pockets and stand with an arms-over-the-head, “I surrender” posture — are so sophisticated that they can (and do) take photographs of what you would look like if you were standing there virtually naked.

This has led to some inappropriate comments on the part of security personnel. One male TSA screener was overheard saying to another, “Did you see the garbanzos on that lady?” His buddy replied, “No, but I’ll catch them on the rerun.”

While the TSA assures us that the powerful X-rays used in the new screeners are harmless, many medical authorities disagree. At least one expert says the radiation is 20 times more powerful than what the TSA claims. Apparently the radiation to your neck and face is strong enough to increase the danger of skin cancer. As a result, the pilots association advised its members to refuse to go through the machines.

So it comes as no surprise that there has been a huge outcry raised against the machines and the people who operate them. This led to the TSA to offer an alternative: If you refuse to go through a scanner, you will be subjected to a very aggressive, full-body pat-down. And by “aggressive,” I mean that your genitalia (and, if you’re a female, your breasts) will be touched. While trying to defend the agency, Senator Claire McCaskill had the audacity to refer to the TSA procedures as “love pats.” Hope that costs her some votes next election.

Let me interject what is definitely not a rhetorical question here for your consideration: What sort of person would want the job of being a TSA security watchdog? I don’t know what psychological screening they undergo — if you do, I wish you’d tell us. But just imagine the sort of person who would respond to the following advertisement:

“HELP WANTED: Must be willing to subject adults and children to all sorts of humiliating orders, including full-body pat-downs and invasive photography. If anyone resists, you must tell them, ‘You must comply or you won’t fly.’ Whatever happens, you will have the law — and numerous fellow employees — to back you up.”

I can’t imagine anything that would be a more overt appeal to perverts and petty tyrants. Can you? In fact, given the enormous possibility of abuse, I’m shocked we haven’t heard more complaints about over-zealous officials abusing their authority.

It’s no surprise that many Americans are resisting and protesting. One of the latest is a young man named John Tyner, who secretly recorded his encounter with security personnel at San Diego’s Lindbergh Field. When he discovered that the new, invasive, full-body scanners had been installed at the airport (despite the TSA’s Website saying they weren’t in use there), he refused to submit to the machine.

He was then told that a TSA agent would have to conduct a kind of “groin check.” His reply has delighted more than a million people who watched the encounter on the clip he posted afterwards on YouTube: “If you touch my junk, I’m going to have you arrested.”

Of course, in this day and age, it is far more likely that Tyner would be the one who was arrested. When he said that he’d refuse to fly and would go back home rather than submit to the new procedures, he was told that he would be “subject to a civil suit and a $10,000 fine” if he left the secured area.

Why is all of this necessary? Actually, as commentator Charles Krauthammer has pointed out, it’s not. “This has nothing to do with safety,” he declared. “95% of these inspections, searches, shoe removals, and pat-downs are ridiculously unnecessary. The only reason we continue to do this is that people are too cowed to even question the absurd taboo against profiling.”

Amen.

In the face of rapidly growing opposition to its measures, the TSA launched a massive public relations campaign of its own. Suddenly, TSA Administrator John Pistole was everywhere — the morning TV shows, the afternoon gabfests, a long editorial in USA Today, an even longer interview in the Wall Street Journal. In every case, the defense was the same: We’re doing this for your safety.

I was reminded of Benjamin Franklin’s famous observation that “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

If the object is to prevent a suicide bomber from getting aboard a plane, here’s an idea for the TSA: For a fraction of the cost of one of those full-body scanners, how about hiring the local bomb squad to build one of those solid-steel containers they use to detonate suspected explosives? Make it large enough to hold a full-sized adult.

If you have even the remotest suspicion of someone in line, tell them they have to pass through the new security facility. Assure them that “It won’t take nude photographs of you. But it will detonate any explosives that are hidden on your person. Okay, sir or madam, please step this way.”

While we wait for such a common-sense approach to be adopted, here’s another idea to consider. Ron Paul, my favorite maverick representative, introduced legislation in the House of Representatives last month to affirm that “security screeners are not immune from any U.S. law regarding physical contact with another person, making images of another person, or causing physical harm through the use of radiation-emitting machinery on another person. It means they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.”

Now there’s an interesting idea: Make our would-be masters subject to the same laws as you and I are.

Hmm. Next thing you know, someone will suggest that politicians be subject to the same security procedures we are. And maybe even the same retirement benefits.

Nah, we’ll never get that tough with them.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • DaveH

    I just won’t fly anymore. If enough of us boycotted you can bet they would change the rules quickly.

    • Joanna

      Dave,
      as much as I agree with you, sometimes that option is simply not possible…
      but I have sent email and snail mail letters to several airlines I am using, stating how outraged I am and will cut my travels to a minimum, as well as I will campaign among my friends and family to do the same…
      my Senators and representatives were graced with my letters as well.. :)
      and of course all DC offices with the DHS leading the pack!!!
      between myself and my daughter we managed little over 500 friends to do the same…
      I just wish more people would do the same…
      the way DC is doing all that because people are not responding enough..
      and our elected so called leaders are taking it as the saying goes:
      no news is a good news!

      • JRC

        Your letters make the post office and recycle companies happy. Will they be read? Probably not farther then the first line. I am in a position where I get many letters from people like you, they are all filed in the round file within seconds of arrival. They don’t even make it to me, the mail room opens the letters and if they are complaints they go directly into the recycle bin, same as all other junk mail.
        I do thank you for keeping my mailing cost down. E-mail that is not addressed to the (not well known semi private address) is auto deleted at the server period.

        • http://www.productivitysystems.com Steve Thompson

          JRC – your response suggests that you might be one of our esteemed Congressmen? If so, you’ve confirmed my long-term suspicion that Members of Congress really use those responses from their constituents more to fabricate answers than to sway their politics. They appear to be much more interested in gaining and maintaining power ans wealth than representing their consitiuencies. Chip’s final remarks seem to be gaining momentum, thankfully – that Members of Congress (hey, and even the rest of the Federal workforce) should be bound by the same laws, retirement, medical plans, and taxes as the rest of the US population.

          • Warrior

            Steve, pay no attention. Just another progressive “fraud” in our midst.

        • Dave Silveira

          Well, aren’t you just the rosebud among the thorns. I irrisponsible beaurocrats like you that make all this pent up disgust and anger a reality. I dare you to go to any city or town in the country and stand on a corner spouting your opinion of the peoples thoughts and fears and report back on the response then. More likely CNN will be reporting first. You sound like a borderline ‘Brownshirt”.

        • Bruce D.

          You sound like a creap JRC. Perhaps you and Barney Frank would be the type of persons who would apply for a TSA job.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JRC,
          Give me the name of your company so I can be sure to boycott it. If you care so little for your customers and your product or service as to not listen or read complaints from them, then I don’t need your product! I have contacted companies that I am sure are larger than yours and they all answer me without fail! I am sure that they know that without satisfied customers they aren’t long for the business!!!

          • Dan az

            Joe I think he works in the mail room.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dan az
            I figured that. If he had a business he would know what I said was true!!!

      • DaveH

        Good move, Joanna. And your letters do work. Money talks.

      • Dan az

        Joanna
        If you would write instead to all the airlines and suggest to them that if they where to remove the tsa there business would more than double.And if they where to search all islamics they would not have the need for the absurd searches in the first place.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        I agree with both you and Dave H, but you’re right on target that many people do not have the option of refusing. If their job (private or government) requires they travel, then they really have little if any choice.

        I’m a Fed and think this screening process is one of the most rediculous programs put in place. I’ll be flying next month (for work) and I will not be radiated, so guess I’ll have no recourse but to be touched where ever by what ever or whom ever is considered a TSA agent.

        Personally, I think the Congress and the Senate should have to go through this stupid process every single time they enter their offices.

        • Palin12

          Obummer could stop this madness with one 30-second phone call. As usual his sympathies are with the muslims.

    • lkar

      I agree with your intent Dave, but my job involves travel all across the US. Driving great distances is not possible. Chip pointed out something that Charles Krauthammer mentioned, the unneccessary need for these drastic measures. What Charles was observing is that these procedures are a reaction to attempted bomb plots. Also, these failed plots started in countries that do not have the same screening procedures as the US. So in the end, these reactionary procedures still do not make it any safer for travelers. What the TSA should be doing is being proactive and look for procedures that will prevent terror plots in the future (like the recent cargo fiasco). Stop harrassing grandma, being invasive, and start be innovative.

      • Dave Silveira

        First off the tsa shouldn’t even exist. The National Guard should be the ones doing the job. The ‘bulls’ of the tsa are sad people who need to be assessed or reassessed psychologically frequently. They also need to be assessed as to their sexual persuasion and if employed, they should be identified for people who may have serious issues in that reguard. By the way who checks the checkers? This whole scheme seems aimed to subdue Americans into being drones with no civil rights. Oh, did we repeal the Bill of Rights or what? It is time for a major boycott of air travel untill we get back to rationality!

        • DaveH

          I believe you are right, Dave. They are just pushing to get as much control as we will give them.

          • Lindy Mae USA

            Dave H:

            Uh, haven’t you noticed dear? We’re not GIVING this corrupt government anything . . . they’re TAKING what they want!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Lindy Mae,
            and when people keep voting for losers like P-lousy and dingy harry reid (lower case on purpose!)and not doing everything legal they can to stop this theft, we are letting them steal from us!!!

        • Bruce D.

          I also feel it is a step in the direction of government to see how much humiliation and control the American people are wiling to accept. Only a sicko would give those body pats on a routine and daily basis as a job.

          • http://Illinois'17th William

            Remember the three boxes at our disposal: Soap Box, Ballot Box, Ammo Box. Any ore of the three, or a combination thereof, will get the job done. Our founders did not have #2. They had only #1 and #3 to give US #2. The TSA is only the first step as little Barry and Hillary are coming for #3.

          • Al Sieber

            William, not if I could help it.

      • HFlashman

        This is the same Krauthammer who supported every “security measure’ that Bush II espoused and denigrated anyone who said we were being lied into war with Iraq. he is a bought and paid for whoring shill for the financiers (foreign and domestic) of te GOP and right wing elite.

        Go back to when the Bush II admin was in power…go ahead and post anything Krauthammer wrote or said which was against the draconian measures stripping us of the same rights you guys complain about being ripped apart today. Go ahead…it’ll be a long and fruitless search.

        • Bruce D.

          Obama ran on change not on being a Bush clone. A lot of people on this site have principles that transcend both parties. Because you are a liberal drone you will never understand that. Everything is Bush and Chenny with people like you.

        • Bruce D.

          I think that most independents would not have voted for Obama if they knew he was a Bush clone as you imply in many of your posts.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          flushedman,
          Funny you should say that, as billy boy said ” krauthammer is a brilliant man” yesterday in a news conference with the bummer Nobummer himself!! Krauthammer joked tonight that from that remark his carreer is over! He said he can always go back into psychiatry as the dems are pretty worked up over the deal Nobummer made so what he would do is go in with a valium spray and get them ALL!!!

          • DaveH

            Better yet, pentothol, so the American people could hear what their real intentions are.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Amen!! you called that one dead on!!!

      • Jackson

        Good post. It is not about catching terrorists as the tsa has never done so, not one. It is about c-o-n-t-r-o-l.

    • debrarae

      Boycotting the airlines is precisely what Obama, Big Skunk Napolitano, Homeland security, TSA, and the rest of the REGIME wants.

      They are operating directly from the communist manifesto, and Alinsky’s rules for radicals.

      By allowing people in Hajibs to go through the check points unchallenged (while we, and our children are incessantly harassed, raped, and molested), by punishing the airlines (because they refuse profile the people responsible for both 9/11 and the terrorist attacks that have happened on American soil since then), by labeling the very people that complain because they refuse to be SEXUALLY ASSUALTED by these CRIMINALS …..as NON ISLAMIST DOMESTIC TERRORIST; they seek to say WE OWN YOU! YOU CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

      But I say we can! I say WE SUE THEM for LIBEL, SLANDER, DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER, WRONGFUL PROSECUTION, VIOLATION of our FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS, and VIOLATION of our CIVIL RIGHTS!

      When people who are BLOGGING about these ABUSES, are even being harassed and threatened …It’s not time to say NO. It’s time to say HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!! SEE YOU IN COURT!

      • juswonderin

        I’m with you Debra. However, I have family that’s incarcerated & I have to be patted down everytime I go to see him. I’m used to that, but it’s not an AGGRESSIVE patdown & I don’t mind that. They tell me that they’re not allowed to touch certain areas or to grope. I also agree with the person that commented that we should be using the national guardsmen. I also think that giving job to an unemployed veteran would be more congenial & they’ve already been trained in this area as they have had to perform security checks anyway. They need jobs & also I agree with FreedomFighter:

        TSA part of the budding private army to take your freedom:

        Problem
        Trigger event
        Solution (take away freedom, without solving the problem)

        It is the way of the evil “sinistra”.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Bruce D.

          It is my understanding the National Guard is only a part time job for most unless there is an emergency. The vets doing it is a good idea if it was a good idea to begin with. TSA needs to profile. It is not all racial profiling. One group would naturally be looked at a little closer than another as would their country of origin but with someone who is trained it is more about criminal profiling than racial profiling.

      • LeRoyZ

        I’ll donate!!!!

      • Rose

        How do we get this to the courts? Why are our Congressmen and Senators not fighting for our Fourth Ammendment Rights? I cannot understand people letting this happen.

        Children subjected to this are being used for kiddie porn and child molestation. Parents, What are you thinking, letting these thugs touch your children and photographing them naked?

        For those who fear flying because of terrorists: You stay home and let us free Americans fly.

        • HFlashman

          “Children subjected to this are being used for kiddie porn and child molestation”

          I doubt it …. let me guess..you’re one who believed the Health Care Reform Act contained Death panels…right? Jeesh

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Dear HF%$#lashman, I suggest you volunteer to be the first to be scanned by the TSA, be polite in doing so and go —- yourself and approve the distribution of your Polite Act on the Huffington Post.

          • Palin12

            C’mon now flashman, old man..
            “death panels” is a euphanism to describe where bureaucrats will decide how much money will be spent on your treatment. For example, if you need $5 million for chemotherapy it’s going to be denied.

          • Anne

            Mr. Flashman,

            You have only the greatest gift in life to acquire: COMMON SENSE!

        • Kate8

          Rose – Don’t count on the courts anymore. They’ve sold us out, too.

      • independant thinker

        “By allowing people in Hajibs to go through the check points unchallenged ”

        Wish some people would get recordings of this and post it all over the net and in the newspapers if they would print it (I’m sure a few would although their circulation might be small).

      • Average Joe Patriot

        I fail to see the problem. Just carry Arab-style robes and headgear with you in a small flight bag with you on your way to the airport, then put it on in your car or the taxi before you go into the terminal.

        Alternatively, if you’re traveling with your family, have someone make you a TSA security uniform and put that on. Then you can pat down your spouse or children and breeze on through.

        Sheesh! Why do people make such a big deal out of everything? I’m sure drug runners do these sorts of things as a matter of professional routine.

        (I kid, because I care. I used to fly occasionally for the company I worked for. On a quick overnighter I grabbed a small black canvas bag I used occasionally as a beach bag when I went snorkeling. Got nailed by security and held up just long enough to nearly miss my flight were I not moving at a dead run. The reason? Sea salt residue on my bag. They thought it was cocaine. If that is the level of genius they are pitting against professional drug mules and CIA-trained Al Qaida operatives, heaven help us all.)

        PS: Drug sniffing dogs are friendlier and have proven far more effective than either Michael Chertoff scanners, or TSA agents (and which would you prefer sniffing your crotch in public?). I happen to like dogs, but for those who do not, let THEM go through the X-rays or get felt up by some stranger. Give us three choices rather than two. (Nota bene: Dogs can smell bombs right through a djellaba, so we’d all feel far more comfortable flying or riding with people who insist on performing dramatic religious rituals to Allah in public terminals–what’s next, Ghost Dances? The Hare Krishnas were bad enough.)

        I’m being only half-facetious, please don’t anyone get upset. No, on second thought, get as upset as you like. I don’t give a $#!+. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days anyway.

      • Renee

        I agree Debra,
        What I don’t understand is if they can train a dog to sniff out drugs and explosives, why not use them to sniff out the same on the people. I would much rather have a dog doing the pat down then a pervert that only gets hired to legally molest people. I read, and this turns my stomach, the moral of the employees working in the airports has gone up by 22% since they’ve implemented these new screening tactics. I am so thankful that I don’t “Have” to fly because I’m now at the point if I can’t drive there, I won’t be going! I also read that some people are wearing big coats with just their underwear so there is NO reason for them to be patted down. Everything is already exposed. What a sad case of affairs. I think the box Dave mentioned is the best solution! ALSO, put a pig on every plane as a mascot, it will keep all those “and you know who you are”, from suicide bombings!!!

    • http://N/A Charles Thomas

      I agree totally with Dave H.if every one would stop flying I can assure you this problem would immediatlt be solved.If you can’t drive use Amtrac,or how about a bus.Or rent your own plane and pilot.There are other means of transportation people.

      • http://MozzelaFirefox Jo

        I understand these porno scanners are going to start showing up at train and bus stations, ballparks and theaters. To bad this didn’t all happen before the Nov election. It looks like Washington DC is full of perverts. We need to get rid of them. Hope it’s not late. I think the descent men and women in congress need and deserve all the support we can give them.

        • HFlashman

          “I understand these porno scanners are going to start showing up at train and bus stations, ballparks and theaters. ”

          Ahhh…predictable. FOX McNews entertains again. Dang…what will you guys not swallow from the foreign funded “conservative’ media?

          I swear…logic, reasoning, and thought is not in your capabilities eh?

          • Vicki
          • HFlashman

            Vicki…apreciate the news that TSa was scanning train and bus since at least 2007. And this is Obama’s directive exactly how?

            Second…the diatribe was on the so-called ‘porno scanners’ being used on train and bus stations. Got any updates on that?

          • Bruce D.

            HFlashman we can always count on you to be on the wrong side of every issue. You are an amazing person to have such consistency.

          • DaveH

            So, Flashdunce, you wait until the car runs you over before you decide you shouldn’t have crossed the street without looking both ways?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Flushedman could be standing in the middle of a painted target on the ground, see a piano dropping from twenty stories and still not move in the chance it might not hit him!!!

      • Rose

        This is what I will be doing. Soon, though, they will be doing this at train & bus stations. Big brother is not only watching, they are reaching out and touching us.

      • Lewis Munn

        Folks,

        I sometimes have to cross the oceans, and I do not swim fast enough…in fact, very little.

        How do I care for the needs overseas without flying, and do it in an expeditious manner?

        I do object, as a loyal citizen, who has been inspected and granted secret clearances by government, to be accused without cause, and considered guilty until proven innocent.

        I think this is totally wrong, and an open attempt to destroy the Constitution. However, even tho I have had lots of radiation in my life, and a little more could trigger disease, I will have to allow it, over protest, because the Citizens of the USA do not hold to our laws but let them be broken by the government with impunity.

        Someday those who take lots of radiation will rue the day they believed a little more will not hurt.

        • Kate8

          Lewis, Whoever whould have thought that we’d reach the day where the most corrupt and criminal are elevated to the top, get all the benefits and rewards, and the good, law abiding citizens would be harassed and targeted for scrutiny.

          It is a sad time, indeed.

        • Bruce D.

          Good post Lewis Munn.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Charles Thomas,
        There are some out here that have to travel outside the USA due to their job and the only way to do this is to fly. My wife is one of them and she has refused to travel with me as if a guy ever touched her wrong, I’d end up in jail! Perhaps you would like her to quit her job??? she has invested 26 years of her life to that job and is respected in the field she is in so that also, is out of the question as well.

      • Dan az

        Charles Thomas
        Thats probably what they want so they can own them too, when they use our money to buy them out like they did with GM.Maybe later they could sell it to china!

      • Lindy Mae USA

        You’re right, Charles! There ARE “other means of transportation” and I intend to “go by ship” next time to Europe. However, I’d like to PRAISE England and Canada for NOT using the “Death-Ray” machines or hiring foreign mercenaries to assault and insult me or any other passenger in “Security” when I returned to the US earlier this month!

        At least for the moment (until those two countries “buckle” under pressure from the corrupt US government!) England and Canada were still using the “standard” security equipment and procedures they’ve always used (Bless them!)

        The obvious “high regard” the English and Canadian airline staff expressed toward the dignity and privacy of people was SO evident as I passed through their security line and procedures. In fact, they ARE noting that elderly people like I am are predictably NOT nuts like radical Muslims and other dangerous mis-fits! We just want to “get where we’re going”and that’s it!!

        Kudos and GRATITUDE to England and Canada for maintaining such high standards of respect and kindness toward their passengers.

        God bless every one of you for respecting me and the thousands of other non-threatening human-beings who pass through your airports each day! MERRY CHRISTMAS and Happy New Year to you all! :-)

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Question Dave. In order to make it safe to fly for Americans, what would you propose to do? Myself, I would racially profile anyone that looks middle eastern right off the bat, and go from there. But with our political correctness, they wont do that. But as for myself, I will gladly walk through a scanner if it means I will be safe on my flight. I really dont feel violated in any way shape or form, and you get more radiation flying in a plane than you do from the scanners. If some whack job gets his kicks seeing my x-ray image on a scanner, so what, I could care less. Thats his problem. He is in another room, and doesnt know me from Adam with the image he is looking at. So Im really not understanding the big hubbub about this, other than those that are so anti government they think this is just big government controlling us. I hate big government, I abhor it. But this is the sort of thing government should be doing. Providing police and fire departments, safe bridges, safety flying and things like this. They need out of the health business, and taking my money and giving it to joe crack head because he doesnt want to work. But this is a service the government should be doing, or forcing the owners of the Airports to do. We should have steps taken to keep some middle eastern nut job from blowing up the plane. If walking through a scanner does it, I really do not see what the problem is. Am I missing something here? Please advise, as youve always been a pretty good source of wisdom in your posts.

      • CHIMPIMP

        Beberoni,

        These pathetic, ludicrous and offensive tactics of TSA (Total Sexual Assault)do absolutely nothing to protect us. The Isrealis are masters of security but yet the US absolutely refuses to use their techniques which have been proven effective. Check out this link regarding Operation Hemorrhage: http://warincontext.org/2010/11/21/cost-of-operation-hemorrhage-4200-damage-done-priceless/. We are a nation of fools giving up our rights for ALLEGED security. The American people must wake up and educate themselves regarding the deliberate erosion of our rights.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          While I do agree we should use the exact methods the Israeli’s use, as they dont have a problem with looking at the obvious, which for some reason we do all in the “we dont want to make someone uncomfortable”, unless its an American citizen, but I just dont have a problem with walking through a scanner, knowing it will make my flight save. I lose no freedoms at all doing this. None. I lose no liberties doing this. None. Im sorry, but they are taking nothing away from me, in providing a means to make sure I fly safe. I guess I just dont have those demons in me that cry out that Im being violated, because frankly it just doesnt bother me. I welcome it, to know I will be safe to return to my family. The scanner that is. I dont welcome someone rubbing all over me and feeling me up. That part shouldnt have to happen, unless someone requests it because they are afraid of a scanner for some odd reason. Me, scan me. If it makes me safe, lets do it. Im losing nothing, and gaining security. By all means, do it.

          • Kate8

            Beberoni, The effects of radiation is cumulative. It’s not a matter of this puts out more than that. It is the total increase.

            Not to mention that it’s just another step in total compliance, allowing ourelves to be inspected like cattle, being used to humiliation and dehumanization, as well as training agents in degrading and dehumanizing.

            We are subject to so many assaults on our health these days, we just can’t afford to keep adding to it. We live in a soup of microwaves, dirty electricity, radiation and what not, on top of poor quality food, toxic air and water…

            It never stops. We have no right to protect ourselves any more.

            Have they installed your SmartMeter yet?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Berberoni,
            how would you feel about some guy grabbing your wifes crotch? Or even worse how about your 12 to 15 year old kid?? Wouldn’t bother you? If it wouldn’t you are not the guy I thought you were! Posting with you back and forth for the last year and a half, I had a fairly high opine of you and I don’t believe I was wrong. Was I?

          • American Citizen

            Is this the real Beberoni? You could have fooled me. As a cancer survivor, cumulative radiation can cause cancer. There are so many people being diagnosed with it every day, it’s scary.

          • DaveH

            I’ve had those same thoughts, Citizen. It doesn’t seem like the Beberoni that has posted in the past.
            I’m grateful to Bob Livingston for providing this forum, but I do wish he would go one step further and have unique sign-in ID for each poster so as to preclude us from disparaging the wrong people.

          • Vicki

            You guys are correct in that the post does not seem to be from the Beberoni we have come to know. Statements like

            “But as for myself, I will gladly walk through a scanner if it means I will be safe on my flight.”

            sound much more like a brainwashed liberal thought then the wisdom we have seen from the real Beberoni.

            For me I do not need to walk through a scanner to make me safe. I already KNOW I am not going to attack so scanning me is a waste of time and just exposes me to more radiation without any benefit other than to annoy me by making me stand in a submissive position reserved for criminals and slaves.

            Beberoni: “I really dont feel violated in any way shape or form,…”

            Good for you. None the less you have allowed yourself to be treated like cattle or slaves. To what end. We KNOW of better ways. The TSA dosn’t use them because the purpose is not to keep us safe but to condition us to direct control by our “Masters”.

            The risk of you (or me) being killed by terrorists in a plane is so close to 0 it can not meaningfully be measured. Even before all the security since 9/11/2001

            So why again are they using ineffective methods? Cause they know there is not much risk and it gives them the ability to condition the populace.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Joe H. about the pat downs concerning my wife or kids, you need to re-read my post. I never said anything condoning any pat downs. I would not like that one bit, not when I have the option to be scanned. Thats what Im saying. I will gladly walk through a scanner and let thems see I am clean, as long as they also scan Mustafi Ali and make sure he is clean. And someone said they could stuff C4 up their rear and get away with it. From what Ive seen and read about these scanners, that would also show up, as it has to have some kind of wires to detonate it. While I agree it is a shame we have come to this point, I have to face the facts that I lose no freedoms, no liberties and no rights walking through a scanner. I could care less. I just dont get the resistance to being safe. While I agree they should be profiling middle eastern terrorists who practice this, and not waste time on 85 year old white or black grandman, anymore these guys are recruiting lost souls here in the United States, and who knows who might take money from them to give to their families and blow themselves up. Who knows? Im not above saying Im wrong, but it just makes sense to me to walk through a scanner, as it does to walk through a metal detector into a court house. And yes, it is the real Beberoni. I guess Im just at peace with myself and dont worry about little incoveniences like this. Like I said before, it isnt any be deal to me. I walk through it, I fly, I come home safe. I dont understand the uproar. Now that pat down thing, I dont ever want to go through that, and yes, if they grabbed me the wrong way, or my wife or kid, then thats when the fight started……….Im just saying.

      • LeRoyZ

        Berberoni, these scanners do not keep us safe. Scan all the law-abiking citizens you want, it will not do anything for our safety. All you have to do is look at Israel’s track record. Why don’t we take some lessons from the ones who have attained success? That would make too much sense. We have to trample on the rights of every law-abiding U.S. citizen because of the actions of a bunch of Muslims. I guarantee they are laughing their a**** off at us. For crying out loud….going by this reasoning, we would have to submit to searches to enter a bank. There are bank robberies in this country regularly, but I am not subjected to any untoward scrutiny when I go to cash my check. And these bank robberies are committed by U.S. citizens. We’ve got to get it through our heads that it’s about power, not safety!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          What are you talking about. If they scan everyone going on the flight, yes we are being made safe by them. Well that is, as long as they are making sure the plane is safe to start with and nothing has been smuggled on board, which I think they are now pretty good at. But you cant just check muslims, allthough Yes, I would profile middle eastern people real throughly. But look at the guy that had the underwear bomb. He looked like an American black man to me, so it could be anyone. They are recruiting Americans everyday right here in the good old US of A. They wont get any conservatives to join them, but many, and I mean many liberals will fly into their camps. And they are American looking people. Now I would rather have everyone walk through an explosion proof box, that would make anything explosive explode immediately, and be done with it, but for one I dont know if they have the technology to do that, and two, a scanner is so easy to walk through, see if your clean of weapons and bombs, then get on the plane and everyone is safe. How you say were not safer to fly with these is totally wrong. They make the flight much, much a safer thing to do. Scan me anytime. Ive nothing to hide, and nothing to lose. It does not infringe on my rights or freedoms in the least little bit, and truly anyone who says it does, definitely has some kind of an agenda, because you lose nothing being scanned, and if you feel you do, its all in your head.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Berberoni,
            They have already said that the scanners won’t detect all explosives and now they are saying that the plotters are already planning to insert explosives into a person surgically. Now since these scanners don’t go deeper than the skin, then how do they make us any safer? The israili way is the ONLY way to go!

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Berberoni, one suicide bomber can stuff enough C-4 up his or her butt to easily blow out the back wall of a jet airliner’s restroom. And no, Chertoff scanners won’t detect it. (What does he know of technology, anyway? During Katrina, when asked why HS was so slow to respond, “…didn’t you at least get the e-mails?” Michael Chertoff, head of our nation’s Homeland Security, smugly and famously responded: “I don’t do e-mail.” Um, so, what’s he do to stay on top of our nation’s security in this electronic age, Western Union? This is the guy selling us state-of-the-art back-scatter X-ray machines?)

            Dogs, however, the training and handling of which costs less than a tenth the price of a Michael Chertoff machine (and wouldn’t make him dime one), would smell the slightest bomb material residue on the person.

            Or, we could put out a call to out-of-work proctologists, offering an unlimited supply of out-patient examinees at their local airports. (Unlikely–considering how many pain-in-the-ass bureaucrats we have crawling into our private places nowdays–that there are that many proctologists actually out of work. I’m sure all these X-rays flying through our bodies aren’t doing much to reduce the incidence of colo-rectal cancers either, among the many others modern humanity is suddenly, mysteriously beset with.)

            How could anyone seriously feel “safer” after an X-ray, Berberoni? Would several more make you feel even safer? How about if you had to commute weekly? Or even more frequently? You’d really, really feel safe, no?

            X-rays kill. Cumulative damage from X-rays kills even more quickly. Ten years from now (if there even IS a ten years from now), how many class action suits will Michael Chertoff’s repesented company and the airlines be facing when the oncological statistics for frequent fliers begin to become public knowledge and the ambulance chasers get their hands on them? (“If you or a loved one…has been subjected to back-scatter X-rays in plane, train, or bus terminals since 2010…and has suffered from any of the following…please call the law firm of…at…you may be entitled to compensation.”)

            I now have the luxury of “opting out” of flying altogether. Many do not, but for these and several other reasons, I advise: Anyone in a position to do so? For your own physical and mental health’s sake, do so. Unless you own your own plane, be the first on your block to just say no to flying.

            The skies are no longer friendly.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            They also say the sun kills you and causes skin cancer, so maybe Im just a plain old dummy, because Ive played in it from sun up to sun down when I was a child, with no shirt on and never wore any chemical laden sunscreen, and now as an adult, I will go out and fish all day in the sun, with my shirt off, no chemical laden sunscreen, and well, Im 52, Im doing just fine, and the old radiation hasnt harmed me yet. In fact, gee, my 85 year old dad has done the same thing all his life, and he seems to be getting along just fine, thank you. I guess maybe Im dumber that everyone, because I dont fear the things the government tells you to fear. I dont believe in big government, and I dont really believe half the crap they try to make us all believe. So I guess Im just not afraid of a little scanner, and if you are, hey, thats cool, more power to you. But dont crucify me as some kind of leper because Im not afraid to get scanned before I fly. And so far, as the record goes, Ive yet to see a plane get blown up by someone who has walked through a scanner. When that starts happening, if it ever does, then maybe I will doubt them. Until then, theyve got a perfect record going, so Ive got to believe what the facts are. So hammer me, call me names, call me dumb, call me confused, call me ignorant, I dont care. I will walk through a scanner, fly and come home to my loved ones safe and sound. Now why would that bother me? I guess Im missing something, because after reading all these posts, I still dont understand.

      • Rose

        Just because it does not bother you, does not mean that myself and others should have our rights and privacy violated.

        “Those who would give up essential liberties for a small measure of safety, deserve neither safety nor liberty” Ben Franklin

        • HFlashman

          Rose…just exactly how much did you protest when the Bush/Cheney cabal was raping our nation and making excuses and cover based upon fear mongering?

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Flashman, I’ve for some time read your words with interest and admiration. You ask questions like: “What did you do when…?” And, Where were you while…?” Amazingly dogged (if generally unclever), thought- and discussion-terminating stuff.

            HFlashman: I like consistency, good grammar and spelling, fearless keyboard indominitability. You’re consistently full of $#!+, but you are, undeniably, consistent. If you’ve read a few of my posts you know I almost never stoop to straw-man arguments or ad hominem personal attacks, I feel they demean those who so involve themselves, and dilute the value of the discussion. I’m fairly consistent, as well, hence my appreciation of your posts.

            Yet the difference between you, a consistent verbal bully overly given to ad hominem attacks on other posters here for what you apparently perceive to be their misguided political leanings, and some of the rest of us, is that you appear to lack a point of view or a sense of direction. I continually await your next post for a summation of who you really are, what your convictions are, what you conclude we should do in the face of tyranny and controlled chaos clearly designed for benefit the controlling minority at the top of the heap. In short, evidence that you are not a shill or worse, a troll.

            Instead you are getting on my last nerve with this predictable he- said/she-said crap. Please, try and come up with some fresh material.

            Where were we, a lot of us here present, when our freedoms were being systematically raped by the last several administrations (of both colors)? Screaming bloody murder, as we are now, having been denied our Constitutionaly promised right of petition (and implied official accountability) directly to our power-usurping government lackeys, themselves working for and answering to interests beyond our control, against our loudly stated wishes.

            We were here, where were you? Voting for your favorite color? Waving a little flag on a stick (maufactured in Asia) or trying to catch a balloon for a souvenier (also manufactured in Asia)? Politics, as our forebears taught us and showed us in blood, is not a quasi-religious pageant for the next Popedent, it’s a damn dog fight.

            Even our right to petition was usurped by corporate lobbyists and bribed officials. You think anyone here actually liked the Patriot Act we had no say in? It was voted into law by elected liars (we can only vote for what they say they represent, not what they do thereafter), idiots who never read it. Certainly we were not privy before it became the draconian law of the land, immediately enforced by forces of Homeland Security. The Health Care bill? If anyone here has managed to actually read that tome I’d be shocked, I doubt more than a handful on this planet has done so, including Michael Moore (whose free-speaking courage and film-making skills I also admire [I usually consider him full of $#!+, but he has every right which I do], yet whom I also suspect is in definite need of real health care, and these new laws aren’t going to provide it to him).

            So, Flashman (and a few others “at-the-charge,” carping and sniping away here), let us hear more of what you fundamentally believe and think, and less of the left-said/right-said bull$#!+.

            So as not to be accused of not having an identifiable political stance my own self (shouldn’t be hard to figure), I view our two party “system” as the equivalent of rival gangs rampaging through a once thriving neighborhood, ripping off homes and holding up family businesses for tribute. You may vote for either gang, so long as you realize that a single, small but powerful foreign cartel rules both gangs, to the ultimate benefit of no one but itself.

            Welcome to the Untied Skates of America. Welcome to the US two-party political system with world banksters at our once sovereign country’s helm. Vote out the bums? Vote out the Rothschilds and their corporate bankster and MSM employees and minions. I wish you good luck with that. Vote on the rigged machines till your fingers tire.

            Both ends of the US political spectrum have been taking turns selling us out since before we were born, playing good-cop bad-cop, where do we take it from here? Flashman, and the rest of you con-job victims, THAT is the REAL discussion a few of us would actually like to see, here. Not puerile attacks on sincere contributors’ thoughts.

            Perhaps just one man’s off-beat opinion.

          • Dan az

            Hey average Joe you took the words right out of my mouth!lol
            Thanks that was great!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Flying is not a right, it is a privelege. And even if it was a right, its not being violated. How is it being violated, that they want to make sure no one is bringing a bomb on board. My gosh Rose, you sound like we did in high school, when they would bring dope sniffing dogs in the school, and we would say how it violated our rights and privacy. And you know why we felt that way? Because we had something to hide. We kept dope in our lockers most the time. Looking back now, being clean from all that, I see where they should have brought those dope sniffing dogs in once a week. It would have really cleaned things up. And we would say how it violated our rights. NO it didnt. Its not a right to hide drugs in your school locker. And its not your right to smuggle a bomb on board an airplane. But it is the airlines right to make sure their paying passengers have a safe flight. It is their duty. And being that the government oversees the airlines, it is their duty to keep us safe. You are not having any rights or priveleges taken away at all, and to say so is insane. How are you being compromised? You walk through the scanner, and get on the plane. Big deal. And privacy? Come one. A person in another room, who doesnt see you, just an x-ray image of you, and doesnt know you from anyone else. You lose no privacy. Now if they undressed you infront of people, absolutely your privacy would be violated. But this? No way. You are being paranoid, and if you feel this way, well, thats between you and your own demons. I wont go there. I just know on a truthful level, it does not infringe one iota on my priveleges or my freedoms or my privacy. But then again, Im a free American, Ive nothing to hide, and I want to come back safe to my family. And Im not anti-establishment. I do not understand how anyone can make a big deal of this, other than paranoia. You lose nothing, nothing at all.

          • Vicki

            Definitely not our Beberoni.

            Dear sir. Flying IS our right as a free people. Please read and comprehend the 9th amendment. Please also to learn that the Constitution PROTECTS our natural, Creator given rights and specifically LIMITS government abuse of them.

            Please also stop impersonating our Beberoni.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Im sorry Vicki, we will have to agree, to disagree. Flying, just like driving a car, is a privilege. It is not a right. You do not have the right to fly. It is a privelege.

          • Vicki

            Beberoni says:
            “Im sorry Vicki, we will have to agree, to disagree. Flying, just like driving a car, is a privilege. It is not a right. You do not have the right to fly. It is a privelege.”

            That you deny that you have your rights is why the Slave Masters will win.
            How can you fight for rights and freedoms you deny that you have?

            “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
            http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johannwolf134023.html

      • DaveH

        Beberoni,
        Remember what Ben Franklin said “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”. I would go a little farther and say ‘get neither’.
        Who have they have stopped with their security measures? Not the shoe bomber, not the underwear bomber. Are you aware of the reason prison guards do cavity searches? Will the scanners catch that? Will they next install toilets in the check points to have you crap in front of TSA, or subject you to a cavity search? There is no end to the idiocy.
        What would I do? I would allow people to pack (small arms) as our Founders intended. It would get bloody sometimes, but then it gets bloody sooner or later anyway, no matter how careful we are.
        At the very least we should screen, license and train those passengers willing to carry arms. And if no licensees were available for a particular flight, then a standby Air Marshall or two would be assigned to that flight. And it goes without saying that the pilots should be behind locked doors and be armed.
        At that point, it would serve no purpose for terrorists to attempt to take over a plane, as it would be more lucrative for them to just shoot up a crowded mall (as they did in India).
        As it stands now we have become helpless sheep for any resourceful terrorist who sneaks his weapons past security. And once they do, they know that the rest of the passengers are helplessly unarmed.
        I would rather fight for my life anyday than to be made into a helpless sheeple just so the leaders can pretend they are saving me.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I am not losing any liberty being scanned Dave, let alone any essential liberty. It is a privelege to fly, not a right. And yes, it will show something stuffed in someones body cavities. Absolutely. The government gains nothing by scanning me, and I lose nothing. Do you not wear a seatbelt because the government said to? Ive heard the same cry from people, that theyve got no right to make me wear the seatbelt or buckle my kids in. Yet thousands have been saved from it. I wear mine because Ive been in an accident without one, and frankly, it hurt. Ive been in one with it on, and nothing happened. Oh yeah, it was other people that hit me, not me hitting them. But you know Im totally against big government, but not against government. I want them to make sure we have a strong military. Proper law enforcement, and fire protection, and to watch over our roads and bridges and take care of them. These are things they should be doing. And making sure our transportation system is safe, by any means possible. And I assure you, by walking through a scanner to detect any bombs on me, I am losing absolutely no rights, no priviledges, no liberties, I am losing nothing Dave. I know when Im losings something, or having something taken away from me. I see it all the time on my paycheck. I see it everyday with people living on government handouts. Part of that is being taken from me. But when they do something that benefits us all, like catching idiots carrying bombs on a plane, that is a good thing and I and over 80 percent of the people that they polled at the airports are all for it. Call me crazy, but I like knowing Im safe in the plane, at least from those inside of it.

          • Bruce D.

            If you have no understanding of what liberty is Bereroni how could you possibly have any understanding of losing it. Try the Fourth Amendment if you ever get to the point where you care.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Berberoni,
            these scanners do NOT penetrate the body!!! I repeat, they do NOT penetrate the body! the immage you see is one that shows body and what ever else is under the clothes. The xray would NOT show anything in a cavity! This is why everyone is telling you that you ARE giving up the liberty to travel unfettered for a false feeling of safety!!!

          • DaveH

            First of all, Beberoni, you don’t “know” you’re safe. You “think” you are.
            You’re not losing any Liberty? So, it’s okay if I ask your wife to take off her clothes for me, whether you like it or not?
            It will show something in somebody’s body cavity? I have something in mine right now. Will it show it? Can it distinguish a stool from plastique?
            The Government gains nothing? Are you really that ignorant? Of course they gain. They gain every time they add a new member to their gang. They gain in power and they gain financially.
            Do I wear a seatbelt? Well, yes, but because I choose to. What is more dangerous, driving without a seatbelt or riding a motorcycle? Or Skiing? Or swimming in the Ocean? Or mountain climbing? Or riding a bicycle on the street? Given that there are many things more dangerous than driving without a seatbelt, why don’t we make all of those activities illegal? What right have you got to force your pet fears on me? Who is the aggressor, the guy who risks his own body or his own property, or the guy who fines him or incarcerates him for those personal risks?
            You’re totally against Big Government? Sure, unless they are growing in the ways that suit you. You’re kidding yourself, not us.
            Apparently, Beberoni, you believe in Big Government just as do the Liberals. Your agenda is just different.

        • DaveH

          Where do you guys get that crap that flying is a privilege? And no they do not have a right to make me wear a seat belt, my body, my risk.
          You are dangerous to my well-being, much more so than the terrorists. I have lived 60 years without so much as a mugging. Yet the Government has plundered me and legally mugged me many times. People like yourself have meekly given way to any step that the Government has made in the direction of tyranny. When they finally start gassing us for the greater good (population control, too many people using up the precious resources) we can thank the cowards who meekly stepped aside and let them take over more and more of our Freedom.

          • DaveH

            Flying is a service, nothing more and nothing less. And Government is interfering with that service.

          • DaveH

            And as far as that old cliche “seat belts save lives”, you’d have to prove that one to me, Beberoni. In 1975, about the time all the seat belt hubbub started, traffic deaths were about 45,000. Thirty-two years later (2007), they were about 41,000. Not that much different. And automobiles are built much better than they were in 1975. So there is no way of knowing whether seat belts were responsible for the 9% drop in deaths, or whether the better built, better handling cars were.
            We would be even safer if they put us all in rubber rooms, and even if we didn’t live longer, it would sure seem like it. More likely though is that they will put us in gas chambers.

          • Al Sieber

            Right on Dave!! how much more do we let them get away with?, how much longer are we gonna let them push us around?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I say the seatbelt thing Dave, because Ive lost quite a few friends in auto accidents, and in the majority of them, those that had the seatbelts on are still here to talk about it. Those that didnt, they sadly didnt make it. But then, I do also know of some that didnt have one on, got thrown out of the car, and the car was smashed and they would have died if they were bucked in, so who knows. I can only go on a personal level, that Ive been in wrecks with and without them, and the first thing I do is buckle it up when I get in now. I know what happens when I dont have it on, and believe me brother, it hurts.

      • rimshot75

        Yes, you are missing something: you are missing the larger premise of our government that the 4th Amendment evidently no longer applies or is enforced. You are missing the fact that if we acquiesce to this torpedoing of our rights, that it will never stop. Today it’s the 4th Amendment; they have already trashed the 1st and 2nd Amendment.

        What you are missing is this: Freedom and freedoms are NOT free; they must be diligintly fought for in order to be maintained. All citizens of the US must be vigilant in this endeavor. Freedoms given up are freedoms which will likely never be recovered. So just because you ‘see nothing wrong’ with unreasonable search and pat downs does not make them legal nor morally acceptable in light of our Framers of the US Constitution.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Again, its not a right to fly. Its a priviledge. And it does not interefere with any freedoms to be scanned. None at all.

          • Angel

            Flying is a privilege???? I would say that is is a purchased service…just as a taxi or anything else…if you have the money to pay for your ticket you have the “right” to it!

          • Bruce D.

            All rights have become privileges as they are all regulated now. Privilages are okay for some, for others, as with our ‘founding fathers’ it is somewhat demeaning.

          • DaveH

            Spoken like an elitist Liberal. You see, Beberoni, the Right-Wingers are no better than the Left-Wingers when it comes to preserving our Freedom.
            How do you square your religious morality with the killing that goes on with war? Especially the killing of innocent bystanders in a war which we are not fighting in self-defense, but rather to impose our standards on other cultures? Do you think those people get a trial before that are shot to pieces (literally) from 2 miles away? Oh, I know, “it is war”. Sure. Just as the Liberals can justify stealing money from others through the Government. In a moral society, the people in Government have no more right to steal and murder than the citizens do.

          • Vicki

            Beberoni writes:
            “Again, its not a right to fly. Its a priviledge. And it does not interefere with any freedoms to be scanned. None at all.”

            Repeating and mis-spelling lies does not make them true no matter how often you say them.

            1. Flying is a right. See Amendment 9, US Constitution for details.
            2. Scanning just “anyone” is a violation of one of our most important freedoms. See Amendment 4, US Constitution for details. (Hint: “persons”)

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dave, you ask, how to I square the killing in war, with my religious beliefs? It pretty easy. When its kill or be killed, you better kill, or you will be killed. We are called on to preserve our lives. When a soldier goes to war, he is under direct orders of those place in authority over him. Legal authority I should say, because that is important. All authority on earth has been placed their by God, so therefore abide in it. This is what my Bible says. It says render to Caesar what is Caesars and render to God what is God’s. Even further, it says that if the government says to pay taxes, then pay taxes. But see, even Christians like me get torn on some things, such as this. As though it is legal to have to pay state taxes, because it is a law, it is not a legal law to have to pay federal taxes. It was never ratified as a law. But try not paying them, know what I mean? And yes Dave, I am very anti war, and I hate killing and maiming. But I also know, that no one has peace without force. To lay back and be pacifists, our way of life would have been over long ago. I thank God often for the men and women who do what they do in the military to keep us safe and free. I was one of them once, and Im here to say, Im blessed that I was never called on to have to kill someone. I dont ever want to have to do that. But then again, someone comes in my home and is threatening myself or my wive or my kids lives, yeah, he is going to die at my hand, and you know what, this will square just fine with my Christianity. After all, it is also written, that God will deliver my enemies to me and make them as footstools for my feet.

      • Lewis Munn

        I’m not Dave, but radiation tends to be cumulative, and there is no known safe lower limit for all. I had an unusually large dose when I was young, and more could well trigger the cancers.

        I wonder if they would let me wear a dosimeter through to verify the radiation is so very low; I bet not, since it appears it goes through a lot of absorbant materials and still gives a great detailed picture.

        So far, I have not seen one bomb prevented by the new techniques, tho I do know personally of a small bottle of skin lotion that was successfully intercepted and disarmed…but manually, not by a machine!!

        It seems to me the Israeli procedures provide excellent security while minimizing the impact on honest citizens. Why is this NOT the goal of our government.

        Why does our government want to maximize the impacts on the ordinary honest citizens, but lets any Muslims through with scarcely a check? Is it I only who get serious questions about this?

    • trackingdog

      Same here. Done with flying. When the airlines fold or go begging the feral gov’t for a bailout, we will know the operation was a success. Too bad that American Citizens aren’t banding together to outnumber about 100 to 1 those jackboot thugs under the “tsa” banner, and slam them into the scanner, rack their package, and toss them headfirst into an interrogation room for the better part of a continental flight duration. Those thugs gotta park somewhere, they have a house somewhere. The governed, US!, loan the governing the power to govern–NOT subject us to unCivil and unConstitutional searches and seizures. This is due soley to muslims–point blank–no other vermin on earth has brought this upon independent humans in a free society except muslims. But, that Nun over there looks mighty suspicious doesn’t she, in that Habit… May The Lord have mercy on us all.

      • rimshot75

        My fear is that even if the airlines would shut down, the TSA will not. They will simply move their grope pods to the nearest freeway and grope us as we drive across town. This insanity MUST stop. Surely some sanity must still exist SOMEPLACE in Washington DC? If it does, let us pray it unveils the stupidity and illegality of these searches of innocent people.

    • Angel

      I don’t fly enough to be able to make any kinds of demands however, I am traveling over Christmas and refuse to fly. If they take it to the bus and trains like they are threatening to do, then…if I can’t drive there…I just plain won’t go.

      I will never ever sacrifice my dignity for any political bureaucrat. If JRC is one of them…it only confirms what I have thought for some time. Not a ONE of them can be trusted or respected. They are all liars and users full of greed and power hungry…and on their way southbound on judgment day when in front of the BIG CHIEF of us all.

    • EddieW

      I am grateful for that Indian diplomat…the massive howling about TSA by the people isn’t enough, but now a diplomat, and now they are going to look in this agressiveness…according to Hillory…they finally got a message!! too little – too late…I will not fly, nor attend a spporting event, nor even go to the malll if I have to go through a scanner…Radioactivity is dangerous and the effects are cumulous!!! I’ll buy online…to hell with them!!

      • Vicki

        The incident with the Indian diplomat proves the elitist nature of the government. They apologized to one of their own. But we “sheep” will still be herded like, well sheep.

    • JC

      I’m with you DaveH. Fortunately my work doesn’t require me to fly so I don’t. I did buy a 30ft trailer and a FORD to pull it with so that’s how I’m having my holidays now. And I have figured out how my wife and I are going to tour Europe without ever getting on a plane.

    • Dan az

      Dave
      listen to this!
      Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna.

      “One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father.. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox. This was NOT what happened. I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.

      The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now – they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her…don’t ask me..I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied) The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!”

      She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you WILL go sit down or you Will be
      thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go..

      As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control…I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage. We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it).

      The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston . The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent “we and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.

      Again…this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was canceled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.

      Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston . If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. The terrorists wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.

      I’m telling this to you because I want you to know. The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes.” -Tedd Petruna

  • Joanna

    …here are my thoughts…
    Europe is dealing with terrorists for the past 40 years or so…
    and to this day they do not find neccesary to employ such measures…
    matter of fact they are making fun of “Americans running barefoot at the airports”…

    I remember very vividly how the outcry for better security of Americans was played out…
    first they have decided to profile everyone of Arabic nationality…
    and of course it was dismissed immidiately as insulting, against their rights to be equal with everyone else…
    now they are INSULTING AND HUMILIATING ALL OF US!!!
    and I hear from various saurces that persons wearing face cover, or head cover (like Arabs do) are RESPECTED enough and not asked to remove it…
    I hope to God that is not true!!!
    and you know that Napolitano is in a process expanding the “security” measures into train and bus travelers…
    …the way everything is going ….
    I am afraid it is just the beginning…

    • Only American

      Perhaps all Americans should fly in full Muslim garb! That would make them nutty!
      And out of things to touch!

    • HFlashman

      I have two reactions reading this article and the outraged follow up comments. First reaction is…you stood aside and let fear overrride our national interests when Bush II/Cheney gang of theives trampled over the Constitution … and now because its a Dem admin continuing the invasive privavcy programs you’re protesting. Precedent was set, you stood aside..actually cheering it on and denigrating us who were saying ‘wait a minute…” … and you’re now crying? Puleeze.

      There are legitimate concerns….of which this is but a sign, a symptom. But to say you are outraged about it? Go soak your head. Your tears and whines are worthless. You are led, controlled, told what to think and say at any given moment, change opinion and stance on whims. I do not feel one bit of concern for your whines and cries…YOU allowed this to occur. YOU let this happen. YOU denigrated those of us who fought the BushII regime’s anti-freedom policies…and it’s high time YOU got to suffer the result.

      Remember your posts this day when you write again concerning holding terrorist trials outside civilian courts. Remeber these writings when you espouse draconian measures to cut spending and it starts to cut into your interests. Remember this days writing when you cheer on continued welfare and tax relief to Big Corporate America and the wealthy. Remember this days writing when you cheer on the necessity of packing around ID where ever one goes. That is what YOU asked for …

      • Nat Heard

        To HFlashman, Stupid does as Stupid says. Whats wrong with profiloine? You would put the entire nation through this morass so a few Islamic Arabs can ignore our laws and laugh at our fears. If the law says uncover your head, then all unlcover your head. Don’t give me this garbage of “It’s against my religion” etc. Well, it’s against my religion to let the goons strip me and fondle me and photo me naked in the named of safety

        • HFlashman

          Well, when I flew last week, those in Muslim apparel went through the body scanners without protest. If you don’t want to be microwaved or go through a physical search, then don’t fly. It’s what you asked for and supported all during the Bush II regime when you let them scare you into submission.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I love Bush. I fully back what he did. Thank him for keeping you safe next time you write.

          • Rose

            I have the right to fly. It was not given to me by the government.

            They do not have the right to irradiate me, take naked photos of me, nor touch my “Junk” or any other part of me. They do not have the right to go through my personal belonglings and touch my “Chonies”

            If you fear flying, YOU STAY HOME

          • DaveH

            Why do you continue to waste your time providing us with your personal experience (as if that small sample size proves anything)? For your personal experiences to have any impact at all, first you need to have credibility. You have none with me. Your comments are ridden with conjecture, and sometimes even outright lies. Maybe you can change. But I doubt it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Flushedman,
            Flying from smokin and tokin is not the same as flying on a commercial jet and those weren’t muslims, those were just your dog and your boyfriend!!!

        • Angel

          I don’t fear flying but I refuse to fly. I was against it when Bush put it into action and am against it now. The Dems & Republicans are the same. Both controlled by the elite.

          There is nothing wrong with profiling and for me…I would rather give up security and have my freedom. I…for one…trust in the Lord and know that if it is your time to go…you will go no matter where you are or what you are doing. If it isn’t your time…the Lord will protect you. My life is in HIS hands…not that of the US government jerks nor any Muslime.

          • Richard Pawley

            Well, this is true Angel, but God gave us common sense and we need to pray for wisdom. I have seen photos taken off those scanners and they were not at all like what is shown on TV. They couldn’t show those on TV as the law forbids it. The ones I saw were reverse printed and they were as clear at the negative I was once offered of Marilyn Monroe for $15,000. It was the one that upset Joe DiMaggio, not the skirt-blowing seen that you see in paintings and posters. IT LEFT NOTHING TO THE IMAGINATION and helped me understand at long last, why Joe was so upset when it happened in the long ago. The point is that if enough Americans refuse to fly, we can stop this ridiculous and expensive nonsense. The technology is good. Let’s use it at the borders and to examine the 98% of the millions of shipping containers that come into this country each year unchecked. I’m thinking now of the truck mounted X-Ray machines. I for one will avoid flying if at all possible. My sister who used to fly all over the world on vacation from Mexico to Portugal and from Alaska to Ireland, recently drove 2,700 miles roundtrip to attend my father’s funeral. She would not submit to the indignity of either method (nor the excess radiation) and for that I applaud her. We have put new people in place in Washington, not enough, but it’s a start. Now we have to pray for them and watch them like hawks as Goldie Hawn said in the movie PROTOCAL. We also need to do the same on every vote of congress and who votes for what. There are some good Republicans and some decent Democrats but there are some in both groups who are not their own persons. They are bought and sold. (Ever read that cryptic verse in the Bible that mentions souls being bought and sold? Don’t remember where it is). Some in the government are much opposed to us knowing to much and that is why I believe they keep threatening to shut down the Internet. We must not hate and we must not fall for their tactics. They work for us, though they think differently. Believers have double duty because we have to carry the weight of non-believers when we pray for our country and it’s leaders. Believe me if ten percent of all who read these posts prayed every day THAT GOD’S WILL BE DONE in all this, you would see things change. This is why the Marxist/progressive/socialist or whatever they choose to call themselves fear God. They know that truth is the only thing that can slow down their unification of a world government which they imagine themselves running for their advantage. Some are saying it’s already a done deal and are eagerly looking forward to the prices of food and fuel tripling. I even heard a woman at Arlington National Cemetery say that she felt a world dictator would be a good thing, someone to make people do what they should. This was before the second series of STAR WARS movies came out and I was reminded of it when young Anakin Skywalker said almost the same thing before he fell for the dark side and became Darth Vader. Those naive people who believe we can keep spending money on government programs and not cut back are going to be shocked at the food riots and all the rest that is coming as a result of all that spending. Government in this country already spends more than the combined INCOMES of all the people in the country! I said that in my book last year and it is only getting worse. I’m amazed and thankful we haven’t collapsed yet, and I pity those who must live in the city. Still as I have said before our life here is but a temporary classroom and we will all be graded. Don’t let these people instill you with fear but learn what you can about non-perishable foods so you will be able to help others who were to ignorant to prepare for what I called “The Greater Depression” in my autobiography LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA. That greater financial crisis is still coming and it will be far worse than what our grandparents went through, but with God’s help we will survive it and our country might too (if enough people pray – for themselves – and for the country and it’s leaders). May God bless you and all who read this.

          • Angel

            Richard…this is exactly why I said further up that I refuse to fly. I don’t think we need the TSA. Like I said, I would give up my security for my freedoms. I will not subject myself to these indignities and having my freedoms nullified and my constitution trampled which protects me against this insanity of illegal search….or it is suppose to anyway.

            So…I do heartily agree with you. This is why I said I am in no fear of any terrorist. I guess I should have made myself a little plainer. I want my freedoms…not the TSA or security. I trust the Lord to protect me…not the government!

          • Vicki

            Lets all remind Washington again that “I am not afraid”

            “We’re in far more danger from our own cars than we are from terrorism.

            Nearly 800,000 people have died in car accidents in the last twenty years. During that time there have been exactly two Islamic terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, with less than 3,000 total fatalities. That’s more than 200 TIMES as many Americans dying in their cars as at the hands of Islamic terrorism. And yet . . .

            We’ve turned the whole world upside down in response to the two terrorist attacks. We’ve launched invasions, created vast new bureaucracies, shredded the Bill of Rights, compounded regulations, spent hundreds of billions of dollars, and disrupted travel and commerce. But no one is suggesting that we do 200 times as much to address the driving risk, which is 200 times greater.

            Can we conclude from this that Americans are brave when it comes to their cars, but cowardly when it comes to Islamic terrorism?

            We think the proper conclusion is that Americans have VASTLY OVERREACTED to the threat of Islamic terrorism, and that the politicians have encouraged and exploited this overreaction to expand the power of government.”

            Go to the link and add your voice to the millions declaring “I am NOT afraid, and I want my representatives to STOP being afraid on my behalf.”
            http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/77

            (Special note to HFlashman. Do please observe that we have been objecting for a bit longer than the current administration. Using the link above you can join us and declare your objection to the Patriot Act and other affronts to our Constitution.)

      • Jeff

        HFlashman,

        It seems you’re a bit elated that ‘WE’ now have to suffer. Are you somehow not part of ‘WE’ or do you hold special exempt status? If you are part of ‘WE’ then why are you now so happy that ‘WE’ are all having to suffer? Are you that partisan, that you would cut off your own nose to spite your face, or are you exempt? Do you wear a burqa to the airports maybe? I, for one, WAS concerned about some of the far reaching powers of the so called Patriot Act, but it’s getting far, far worse under this illegal (fake) administration and ‘We the people’ had better do something about it now or we will be living a nightmare soon.

        • HFlashman

          Jeff;

          I’m throwing it back in your faces. Not this forum, but several others, and in personal conversations etc…i was denigrated, as was anyone else who had the backbone to stand up to the BushII/Cheney graft ridden crowd…and what we were saying at the time is coming to reality.

          You guys begged to be made “safe” from the “boogeymen’ that the GOP was tossing about to scare you into submission. YOU supported giving up OUR Rights, liberties and freeedoms because you feared for yourself and weren’t willing to stand up and fight…fight the terrorists and fight for this Nation. Guess what?

          Your stupidity and cowardice is now coming home to roost.

          • trackingdog

            congress passed the law dude. Bush might have signed it, but congress passed the law. Proof that the Citizens voices mean very little is evident now as it probably was then, and I am quite assured that more Americans than ever are communicating with their reps to infuse them with their passion to uphold the Constitution. What the constituents said then was no more powerful than what they say now–except an election cycle. Now, the true litmus test is upon them all to honor their public service–it is not a damn career like many have made it out to be. Bottom line is for us all to quit the emotional fighting and use our heads and think logic and reason–do we support and defend the Constitution as the divine document that got us here, or do owe some bizarre allegiance to a public servant who says what we want to hear and then have them screw us to the wall while they desecrate the Constitution while they tell us it is for our own good. Bush is a progressive, plain and simple. I now recognize that fact, and yes I was stupid and blind in the past. Now, I get my facts from many sources and none of them are the stupid idiot-box. Enough damage was done to the United States with Lincoln and Wilson and it’s been a downhill slide into the cesspool ever since. We had enough information to be vehemently jacked up to fight for our Liberty over 100 years ago, but now we have information in seconds at our fingertips to weigh the truth from the lies and obfuscation. The power is in the knowledge.

          • JC

            You deserve everything you get and more Flashman. You’re a communist.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Bush-Cheney are gone.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Your hatred of Bush consumes you. Note – the dude has been gone for two years. He saved your bacon, alright? He kept you safe, unlike Bill Clinton who caused this whole mess. But he is gone too. So now we have Obama. He is a loser. But I myself am behind the scanners. I will gladly walk through it to know I will be safe. I dont see what the hubbub is about. But dont flatter yourself, its not about Obama, or people attacking him or not liking him. Some are just so anti government, they see this as an intrusion. I myself dont. Public safety is one of the things the government should be undertaking. So Im all for it. It does not infringe on any rights or freedoms of mine in any way, shape, or form. It is there to help me, and I appreciate it. And thats all there is too it.

        • HFlashman

          I don’t hate Bush II….I hate what he did to us and which we still suffer from. BTW..check your history, Clinton didn’t give us 9/11…that was courtesy of your GOP and your grossly negligent and incompetent Bush II regime.

          For the record…Bush II saved nothing…he placed this Nation is danger, he forwarded the goals of the terrorists, and he screwed this nation for the benefit of a wealthy elite.

          He should be tried for being a war criminal, then after disgraced and placed right alongside Benedict Arnold and Aaron Burr as black spots in our history.

          • Aix Sponsa

            Geez, what the 7734 planet are you from? People should realize that war, economic problems, etc. do not crop up in a few months or often even a few years.
            This rag-head schtuff is a long term systematic plan to conquer the infadel. GroundZero mosque is a traditional muslim symbol of conquering territory. Within this decade terrorist bombings will start across the USA just like Spain, France, etc. Hide and watch.

          • Aix Sponsa

            Oh ya, and don’t forget that 60 yrs ago the commie chinese vowed to take over the USA without firing a shot. They got us by the “junk” now, don’t they?

          • Angel

            Let’s realize something here…it is the elite that pull the strings. Obama did not do any with anything the Bush implemented and still carried on to make matters worse. They only do what the elites tell them to do. You know…the Illuminati that has had their goals to be rulers of the world in the New World Order for how long now?

            If you don’t know…then it is time for you all to study and get your flippin heads out of the sand. Study false flags and what they are. There is not a politician that listens to their constituents. Not a one. I know their fliipin games. Why do you think if we fight them…we are considered terrorists? Even if it is using the right to peaceful assembly. Take a look at the SPLC. Even Christians and their organizations are considered anti-government extremists and more than likely should be watched for terrorism. Give me a break will you?

          • Angel

            Oh…besides…who was it that said that “we shouldn’t let a good crisis go to waste”?

          • sylviam

            Flashman—- Then YOU are calling Hilary Clinton a *LIAR* with your comment? She is the one that said ” Bill told Bush all about Osama Bin Laden” and did he listen NO”. There was nothing else said about the subject. Then on an interview with FOX NEWS with BILL CLINTON. HE said that HE had a HIT LIST wITHE BIN LADEN’s NAME ON IT & HE MISSED it. BILL CLINTON DID KNOW ABOUT THE MAN. STOP picking & CHOOSING the TRUTHS YOU SPOUT. But I guess YOU can’t just like the rest of the PROGRESSIVS YOU CAN’t say the “TRUTH” without puking, The TRUTH is not in your nature, just PROPAGANDA, that is all YOU can say. I did not agree with all that BUSH did or said but HE DID KEEP US FROM ALL OUT WAR HERE. But if we don’t stay on the ball it will be HERE, and YOU will be begging us to SAVE your ass.
            GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Aix Sponsa,
            Actually it was the Soviets that said that Kreuchev to be exact, while pounding the table with his shoe!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He saved your bacon. Clinton caused it. End of story. You cant change history.

        • HFlashman

          Sylvia…of course Clinton knew about bin Laden. tried to snuff him with cruise missiles..just missed him and the GOP howled about his “creating a crisis’ and ‘how dare he send in hit squads”. he went after the WMD factories in the Sudan…and the GOp called them “aspirin factories” and howled about Clinton was faking another crisis. Clinton went after bin Laden. The GOP howled and screamed every time.

          When Bush II came into office…he was told bin Laden was the MOST DANGEROUS man alive to the US. Get that? Guess what one of the first acts Bush did in office? He LIFTED ALL SANCTIONS against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Get that? He was warned, he was told, he KNEW. And he lifted sanctions and even GAVE THEM AID.

          Guess what? When there was protest against the moves? The GOP screamed it down saying it was much ado about nothing.

          Then came 9/11. Bush II ran and hid like the cowardly rat he is. Then you guys let him use fear…fear mind you…fear of your safety (which was hieghtened so you would have false fear)…and pushed through draconian measures and began hs lies for war with Iraq.

          And you swallowed it. You put fear for your safety above that of fighting for your security.

          And now you whie about how your “rights” are ebing taken away by this admin. Jeesh…sickening is what it is. because the moment the GOP says to be fearful again…you’ll be fearful again and allow our Rights and liberties to be even further eroded.

          Disgustig isn’t it to now be forced to look in the mirror and realize just exactly what you supported has come to roost.

          And yet…it continues. Supporting having to pack ID around at all times to prove citizenship. packing ID everywhere? “Papers Please?’ doesn’t bother you, does it. Supporting holding military trials (if even that) over civilian courts? Disgusting….

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey flushedman,
            how do you explain that Klintoon was offered bin laden on a silver platter and turned him down???? If he wanted to hit him so bad, then why not take him when offered??

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The only thing Clinton went after, besides blindly lobbing bombs into Yugoslavia, was another cigar and another intern.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dude, seriously. Clinton was offered Obama, I mean Osama 3 different times. He said no. End of story. Dont try to rewrite history. Thats how it went down. Deal with it and quit pointing fingers.

      • SueSue

        HFlashman
        You really amaze me on your reaction. WE stood silent with the Patriot Act? Really???? All the Alphabet agencies had a wall separating information between them. Hmmm where did that come from. Oh I know!!! The Democrat run Senate! You kept knocking Bush 43, but who ran the Congress??? Bush? NOT! The Democrat Run Congress! Who fought Bush all the Way? Obama! That’s WHO! Now that man is in the White House, he, who took the oath to defend the constitution is destroying it!

        He has appointed Czars for EVERYTHING The congress can’t vote nor vett him/her. Is that Constitutional? NOOOOOO. Now with Napalatino putting us through every bit of embarrassment known to human beings since the Jews went through their hell under Hitler, it’s okay?

        DO I want to be radiated? NOOOO Do I want to be Groped? NOOOO But your buddy Obama did it to us. Not Bush. The door was NOT opened buy the GOP. I have no idea where you get your gray matter in your head. But it has to be scrambled!

        This is totally wrong what this administration is doing to us, and I can imagine they ALL are sitting around laughing their butts off. When Hillary was asked if she would submit to this treatment, she said “not if she could get away with it” Why do we have to endure it, if they don’t. Quid Pro Quo is my answer!

        • HFlashman

          Yep…YOU stood silent. How mny demonstrations were you in? BTW…it was a GOP congress and Bush II lies that passed the unPatriotic Act.

          So…do you suport the mandatory ID laws of Ariz. ?

          • independant thinker

            And it was Obama and a democrat congress that renewed and expanded it.

          • JLC

            Flashman — I am well aware that your reply was not directed at me, but I’m going to poke my nose in anyway. As a matter of fact, I DO support Arizona’s mandatory ID law. I have no objection whatever to showing that I am in this country legally. In fact, I am rather proud of the fact.

          • voice of reason

            I wish you could understand…. that just because someone has a conservative viewpoint, not every conservative totally was into “Bush” junior or senior and would defend their actions. You assume undying support for one party or another, and that just isn’t how it is.

            I’m extremely conservative, however Bush pissed me off… and the only other option was a much more radical John Kerry. You really think that would have been better? You guys just don’t get it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Voice of Reason,
            Bush pissed you off as a conservative because he was a RINO!!!!

          • JC

            I support bringing our troops home from that useless desert overseas and putting them on the border. I support abdicating from the UN and all it’s BS. And if securing American borders means carrying ID (not RFID) then yes by all means, I support that too. Time to clean up the country…starting DC and going to the borders.

          • Dan az

            Flash yep I so support it and thats why barry boy wont come here he would have to show his ID.Bummer!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Bush is gone. The democrats caused it all.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Bush lied. And the democrats supported it all. So what are you saying?
            Your point is moot.

      • DaveH

        Flashdunce,
        Are you talking about the Patriot Act, which only 1 Democrat senator voted against? And I did protest that act. How do you know what any of us protested or not? You don’t. You are just being a bigot.

        • HFlashman

          Dave..you say you were against it…but the in several posts lately you support and advocate many of the provisions in the act. Pardon me…but who’s the dunce here?

          • DaveH

            You are a craven Liar, Flashdunce. Show me a single post where I have supported anything related to the Patriot Act.

          • Bruce D.

            I also never supported wire and e-mail tap on American citizens without probaby cause verified by a judge. DaveH is a strict Libertarian so it is unluckly he supported it and more likely that you HFlashman are just a story teller.

          • DaveH

            Thank you, Bruce.

          • JC

            Flash is just another frothing at the mouth Anti-American Communist using Communist tactics.

          • Vicki

            HFlashman is just a story teller. You will observe that he talks a lot but never offers any proof of any of the few assertions he makes.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Well flash, Dave called you out. Where is your proof of your false accusation? Just like a good lib, standing there on your milk crate pointing the fingers at everybody else. Your a piece of work pal.

      • Bruce D.

        Hflashman, Bush-Chenny Bush Chenny Bush Chenny. Your funny!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Bruce D.
          You have to remember that flushedman has a vivid immagination!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And Halliburton too. Usually he throws them in there also. Bush-Cheney-Halliburton. He only knows what the liberal media tells him, and he follows it blindly very well.

      • judy

        I am so sick and tired of hearing every liberal idiot blame everything on Bush! Good Golly you all he is not President. did you ever look at Clinton’s policies and say they should be corrected? Get over yourselves and put the blame where it should be on those in DC. We elected them we should require that they follow our wishes. We pay their wages if we our selves acted this way where we work we would be reprimanded sternly and then fired! WE did a little of this this past november but we need to continue again in 2012! I mean for everyone even the ones we just sent to DC. If they don’t tow the line then get them out! Harry Reid refused to answer a letter from me because he clainms I was not his constituent Mr. Harry I may not be from your state but my tax dollars pay your salary so you better damn well listen to me! My friends and family in your state listen and you will be out in 2012!

    • JiimCO

      Really. That is not what I have heard. U.S. authorities said anyone traveling from or through nations regarded as state sponsors of terrorism – as well as “other countries of interest” – will be required to go through enhanced screening. The Transportation Security Administration said those techniques would include full-body pat-downs, carryon bag searches, full-body scanning and explosive detection technology.

      The U.S. State Department lists Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria as state sponsors of terrorism. The other countries whose passengers will face enhanced screening include Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen.

      • juswonderin

        To you that listed all the countries that you say will also be screened: If they don’t have to have the same screening as everyone else,then they should have to pay the fine for refusing or being allowed to go thru without removing their headgear; that’s discrimination. There’s already been an outcry by an India diplomat that complained about their getting groped. When they begin to “give others a pass” it’s time to STOP screening others. Just like the Congress is fortunate enough to have the best insurance & perks at the taxpayers expense & paid at least $75,000 per yr and don’t have to work a full week, not show up at sessions, or work a full year. No favoritisims should be allowed. All should have the equal treatment.

  • TIME

    Folks,
    There is NO Boggie Man. Its all made up, well it was when it started out, now just like anything else we have pissed off the radical’s with in the Muslim Cult.

    Hey think about it before you just go bonkers by that statment, If you had the same things done to you – how would you respond??

    Get the picture?

    So yes now we have a problem with a way underfunded group of people, and YOU know what people, soon its going to be YOUR turn.
    So will you all please wake up and wake up others.

    And YES it can happen here; it is as you read this its happening and been happening for years. Again Please Wake UP. What will it take.

    • Al Sieber

      TIME, I don’t fly, I haven’t since around 1972, been on a lot of private planes though. I have a friend from N.Y. who’s staying the winter and working with me. I have been educating him on whats going on in this country and it’s making him sick, I didn’t force anything on him and he’s interested in learning, he might not go back to N.Y.. he told me of the horrors of his cross country trip from N.Y. to Ariz.. he also told me of his experience working in the clean up in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Martial Law, cops killing people for nothing etc.,Black Water Mercenaries, this is what we have to look forward to.

      • TIME

        Al, You will be a good leader dude, and we will need good people like yourself when the storm front hits in full force.
        And people we don’t have long to wait now. By spring we may not have the Internet, nor any TV News or written news nor any way of comunications at all. (work out your network now.)

        If you all would please study this event in history I think it will help all of you. The early Nazi party. Read up on “Ernst Rohm”, and understand the deals the German Army made with Hitler, understand the impact of these event, understand how Goring started the Gestapo understand how that unit worked.
        Please all of you read the ART of War, drop the box’s you want everything to fit in, NO BOX will help you nor anyone else.

        Learn to survive on less, learn to grown and make what you need.
        All of you will have to become leaders where ever your at.

        • Al Sieber

          TIME, I know who Ernest Rohm is, I read the Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich, he was one of the main persons responsible for Hitler getting into power and Hitler was responsible for his arrest and execution.

        • Al Sieber

          TIME, I don’t know what I could lead, I run a small mining operation and have a few people working under me, and they love living out in the mountains, they say they feel free, and know what freedom is and would die to protect it, wouldn’t fly on commercial airlines because they feel it’s a violation of their Constitutional Rights to be pushed around. we don’t take no $hit from nobody. I have to deal with the Fed. Govt. all the time because of my profession, but we don’t have to be felt up, and would end up shooting someone, we’re just cowboys and miners, and ready to fight. the BLM ( Bureau Of Land Management) work with you out here, I have no problem with that Govt. agency out here, there’s a few a$$holes,but we weed them out. they work with the mom and pop miners, permits etc. thats why I couldn’t live in a city, and there’s probably a few million like us. I lived in a few cities over 40 years ago, but can’t imagine what it would be like now. I’m not going through any check points, there’s always dirt roads, or trails.theres always a way around, except Airports. have a good weekend friend.

          • DaveH

            Sounds like a good life, Al.

          • Al Sieber

            DaveH, it’s a hard life too, but I like it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Hard work is greatly rewarded Al. Good job, and may God bless your operation that you and all your workers become rewarded greatly for it. I mean that sir.

      • Bruce D.

        Yar that is beievable Al. Cops says “I think I just kill this guy”. Why one migh ask, “Oh for no reason”.

        • Al Sieber

          Bruce D, you know what’s happening.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You know, Im a white American, 52, 6′ tall, with gray hair. Now if there were a whole race of people, that are white, 6′ tall, with gray hair, that were going around blowing up planes, you better believe I would fully expect them to look at me as a possible suspect and really scrutized me, and rightfully so. But yet were not allowed to do that to these Islamic bastards that have vowed to kill all of us. Now just why is that? Why do we not profile those most like to do this? Its insane. Its like looking knowing a black man robbed a bank, but we dont want to stop any black men, lets check out the 80 year old white grandma, maybe its her. Its insanity man, insanity. What is the matter with looking at the most probably cause of things? That is what good detective work is all about. I will guarantee you, that detectives working a murder scene, and they know the murderer was a tall man, that they are not going to be bringing in short women and interrogating them, now are they. Its insane. Thats all I can say. Profile those that do this stuff. That is the answer. If its my turn, and white American guys are doing all kinds of bad stuff, then yes sir, I fully expect to be profiled, and rightfully so. No problem with it at all.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Amen. I promise you that before the decade is out we will face a shooting war right here in the good old USA. All those prison camps that “don’t exist”, look like a good place to put the gazillions of criminals that now exist and are using the revolving door at the courts and jails. CA just let several thousand felons loose.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Aix,
          that’s a worry about my new governor here in Ohio! He has announced he is gonna review the prison records to “redirect many non-violent felons”! What always happens when the government is involved? Somebody #$%&sup! Just wait some child molester or rapist will get a pardon by mistake! Some father will go to prison for killing the b@st@rd that molested his kid because he got a pardon for being “non-violent!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And the thing is, a lot of them in there are already repeat offenders, that served time once, got out, did it again, and are now locked up again, and these idiots in charge will undoubtedly set some of them free and they will do it again. I think when they set these guys free, they need to sign some kind of legal release, that if they repeat again, they go to jail for how ever long the guy gets sentenced when caught the next time. That might make them think a little bit before they go releasing dangerous people back into society. Of course, they should be force to live by the tax codes they set for all of us also, but they dont have to live with those decisions they make either. Wankers.

  • http://google.com jpgvs1

    janet napoltano is brain dead!

    • Patrick

      I think she is more on the paranoid schizophrenia mode, the whole bunch at DHS has lost it. God help us. And look at what they hire at the airports for TSA.

  • HenryfromFlorida

    Has anyone thought about taking an X-ray, copy it to a picture editing program, converting it to a negative. Saving it then select convert to black and white print? I have, and ya know what I got? A black and white picture of my hand, because that was what the X-ray picture was. If you believe the TSA does not have bare ass pictures of you standing there with your arms over your head. You are 100% delusional. If I can do it, what inthe world makes you think some perve from the TSA wont.

    • JRC

      Just because you are sitting on your home computer being perverse does not mean others are to.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      So what. You have something to hide that your ashamed of? Its an X-ray picture. Its not even flesh like a picture. And the dude looking at it is in a separate room, and doesnt even see you. Ill bet you were the guy that wore gym trunks in the shower in school, werent you. Yeah, thats you. Get over your paranoia. Fly safe, and be happy. Man I just cant believe how paranoid people can be. Unbelievable.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Beberoni,

        Sorry, but you could not be more wrong. Go here for what can be done with the photo. (Caution: You should not view this at your work computer.) http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted-body-scanner-image-shows-naked-body-in-full-living-color.html

        I wrote about the health effects back in January. That link is http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/freedom-concerns/the-health-risks-of-naked-body-scanners/.

        There is even more evidence about the health risks out now. (Hmm. Maybe I should write about this next week?)

        On top of this, you must understand that the so-called threat is all a false flag operation designed to enrich the makers of these scanners and foster a feeling of terror among the masses so that DHS can further control us. Go to the DHS website for more of their plans. http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_1218480185439.shtm#9

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • trackingdog

          Thank YOU Bob! Some refuse to accept the technology that is sitting inside the $500 box they are sending their comments from. Stunning. The software to do even simple photo work is FREE!!!

          …the pied piper is still playing his tune and the lemmings are marching single-file off to the distant horizon. The lemmings will never understand Liberty and Freedom and Self-Reliance…certainly not the Belief in the Creator!

        • Angel

          Thank you Bob…further up…before I read your comment here…I urged others to get some education and learn about the Illuminati, the elite and false flags.

          So many don’t have a flippin clue which is why they won’t know what to do when the time comes. Then they will be the ones whining and crying and expecting those of us who are prepared to take them on as baggage and protect them from the real bogeymen out there. Our government.

        • sylviam

          Bob–I tried to go to the GOV. page and got a”404 error” and it said it was not available or had been re-named. But I did get your page about the *SCANNERS* and the things that THEY CAN SEE IN DETAIL. not just a blured image either. BUT IN DETAIL, HAPPY FLYING people. NOT ME THO, never have been on a plane and do not intend to either.
          GOD BLESS AMERICA

        • http://none Mike

          Mr. Livingston, I dont see where these guys get that x-ray raidiation isnt bad for you anyway. The very fact that every time you go for an x-ray in the hospitol they have you cover your genitalia should tell them something. The avarage family practioner will tell you you should not have more than 5 a year. As well as the fact that these back-scatter machines are not shielded at all. The x-ray machines in most hospitals are in specially shielded rooms where they do not raidiate out to hallways and other patient rooms. Point being these scanners are right out in the open. You are not only subject to raidiation when scanned. You are given a dose just by being there. Mike L.

          • Bruce D.

            The problem with radiation is that it is accumulative. Getting ten x-rays over two years is the same as getting ten x-rays in one year.

          • Vicki

            To further complicate the problem not all the airport full body scanners use xrays. Some use millimeter (lower frequency) wave tech which is more like microwaves than xrays.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave_scanner

            There is also 2 types of millimeter wave scanner. One is active and one passive. See above link.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ok, so it can be done, I was wrong. But let me ask this. Do you really think that they are going to take these photos, and that this scanner has the possibility to store all these photos, and that someone will actually be able to take them, develop them into some sort of pornography, then sell them and make money, and get away with it? If so, now that would be pretty appalling. But wouldnt it take a lot for someone to pull this off? Unless our government is now in the porn industry and its a big conspiracy to get naked pictures while pretending to look for bombs. I have a hard time believing that.

      • True Born

        Beberoni, I truly hope your porno-scanner photo shows up on some of the underground sharing networks I know are operating – I’ve been shown several of them! Post a photo here so I can compare and check you out! I bet your tune would change then!

        BTW, I’ve never taken a shower in any public place, school or otherwise. Never wore gym shorts, because I refused to take the class.

        Oh wait, we’re talking about airline security here, or should I say the FAKE SHOW pretending to be airline security. How many times have I seen very young children sexually mauled in airports? PLENTY! How many very young children have been found to have anything but a sippy-cup trying to board a plane? PLENTY!

        I have been through ONE porno scanner, but only because I wasn’t told what it was (during the early roll-out of these devices). Won’t ever happen again, as I refuse to fly ever again until this mass hysteria ends. How many terrorists has the TSA ever stopped or detected?? I’d venture to say the number is near or at ZERO, yet at what cost?? Lost time, inconvenience, missed flights (I’ve missed 3 due to TSA delays), lost business, ridiculous fees assessed on travelers …. the list goes on and on.

        I’m not a sheep, and I refuse to be herded and treated like one.

        • Vicki

          I also noticed that in the links Bob showed us that the girls face is clearly visible. More than enough info to identify her if you saw her with her clothes on.

      • DaveH

        Then you’re okay with public nudity, Beberoni?
        And paranoid? Stop and think about that statement. I find it pretty funny.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ive got nothing to hide or be ashamed about. And neither really do any of us. Real beauty is on the inside and for those that cant see that or understand that, they are missing out. To those that dwell on seen things, and seek out naked images, then that is their own wrestle with satan, and all I can do is pray for them. I cant make them see the truth, I can only ask the One that can to reveal it to them. And I just cant see, someone operating this machine, being able to snatch up any images he wants from it, and take it home and do whatever he or she wants with it. And if it does happen, then something is wrong with this process and it needs addressed immediately.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And do you realize how much money this would cost them to do this with each and every picture? Your paranoid.

      • independant thinker

        Doesn’t have to be each and every picture just yours or someone elses who does not want their pic posted.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ok, so educate me, because I dont know. This scanner scans my image. Is this machine saving every image? Now if it is, just how does someone, who is obviously into pornography, get the film or the negative or the records of the scans this machine has done? Is there not some sort of security for this? I would sure think there would be, if this kind of thing can be done. I dont know, thats why Im asking.

      • independant thinker

        Once you have the inversion program the cost per photo would be negligable.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But what I need to know, is how would any old person that would want to take these images and display them, get ahold of them? Is the government going to just store all of them, and place them in a warehouse somewhere, where over the years someone can just come in and get them? I dont understand how this works, if anyone out there can fill in the blanks on how or where these pictures or images are stored, all of them or some of them, for a day or a year or forever? I dont know. That is why I am asking.

      • submoa

        FREE software off the web can batch process gigs of images. You are delusional if you think that some bonehead thug working for the “tsa” is not already hoarding mass data to cul through on their own time. The security of the embassies and military networks was compromised by one individual to procure over 250,000 classified docs, and you think that a whole gang of tsa thugs wasn’t already crafting ways to get the data on who passes through the scanners? Get a clue! None of this is legitimate…they scour the aircrews who FLY THE PLANES! The aircrews have the control of the largest potential weapons filling our skies, and they are getting scanned and patted for handguns and razor blades, for God’s sake! We are being mauled and groped by dumbasses and you are taking it hook, line and sinker (and you’re gonna get lead poisoning with that sinker, dude!) Ha! Wake up the flock, ’cause they aren’t trimming the wool off, it’s our heads they are after.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But how would the bonehead thug working for the TSA actually get ahold of these images this machine takes? And why would this machine be saving them, when someones scan shows nothing? If they dont do it, maybe it would be a good idea for there being a law made that any images it scans, that show someone to be clean, should be erased immediately upon the next person being scanned. I dont see why this shouldnt be done in the first place. And just what kind of memory would be needed for these scanners to save thousands upon thousands of images? From my understand of my own computer, pictures take up a lot of space and memory, let alone thousands of them daily. I dont know, so Im just asking. And there is no way these images should be allowed to be kept, or to leave the premises of right where they are taken.

  • Jennie

    How about if everyone just wears a burka, since the government is so sympathetic to them? That would slow everyone down to a snail’s pace or speed it up like a rabbit. Then EVERYONE would have to be searched, like, you know, and be treated equally. What a novel idea!

    • Rickie

      My thoughts EXACTLY. Well said. Maybe I’ll have enough nerve to try it !!!!

    • Vicki

      Converting our behavior to the Islamic culture is one of the plans of the terrorists so that may not be what we want. However an enterprising person might open a burka rental shop in airports.

  • s c

    Between ‘Homeland Security’ and transportation (flying), we have our own version of Hitler’s Gestapo. It’s touted as a solution for dealing with potential terrorists (B S). It amounts to the same mentality that defines Afghanistan’s government. Corruption, incompetence and duh on steroids keep its flawed gears grinding.
    I’d feel better if Homeland Security/flying was done the same way the Israelis do it. At least they have realistic goals. What we have is another form of redistributed wealth, and it’s done in the name of “peace and security.” B S is B S, no matter how it gets packaged, people. See it, recognize it and SMELL it for what it is.

    • Warrior

      I wonder sc, does it smell better when it is unionized?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Decidedly worse!!!!

  • Rachel

    Well, what did you expect with that draconian ram-through of the Patriot Act?

    Many said provisions like this “down the road” would occur. And all in the interest of “safety” — guess it comes down to what you prefer…

  • JRC

    I LOL at the sheep who scream that they’re constitutional rights are taken away….you all need to learn how to read and comprehend….moreover, you need to make sure you read the fine print on your purchases…something you need to always do. You are giving your consent to be searched and xray’d by buying the ticket. So, stfu and fly…and with it you will have to put up with the security measures YOU agreed on, or walk, drive, or use a buggy….as simple as that.
    But to buy a ticket and agree to the condition and restrictions and then start crying because YOU did not do your homework is….simply….stupid.

    • Dave Silveira

      Just what do you think the Second Amendment Is all about. ? You seem to have all the answers, why not avail us of your name so us real folk can know to whom we are responding to? Or is the end of your left wing about to fall off?

    • DaveH

      You’re crying right now, JRC. And speaking of ignorance, you are so dumb as to believe everybody should just let the leaders force whatever they want on us? In that case we would assume the position of a third-world country in short order.
      What you advocate, apparently, is a lawless society. Because as it stands now, the Government swears to uphold the Constitution, part of which is the 4th Amendment which says:
      “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”.
      http://www.cato.org/constitution/amendments_en.html

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    I shudder to think what’s next. I used to love to fly, but changed jobs and haven’t for years. I doubt I will ever fly again. I feel sorry for those who have no choice.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Robin, its just a scanner girl. Nobody sees you naked. They see an image, and they are in another room, and dont know if its you or Mother Theresa. You get more radiation flying in a plane than you do from the scanner. I will gladly walk through one, I mean, since they refuse to take a serious look at Mustafa Mohammed because it wouldnt be right to profile those who are the ones that blow up planes. Its not an infrigement. Its something to me, that is put there to help me fly safe, and I appreciate it. I have lost no freedoms here. I have gained peace of mind knowing some nut job with a bomb has gotten caught. This is the kind of service the government should be doing, instead of spending 20 million dollars studying methane in cow poop, or taking my money and giving it to illegals. I have no problem with this, and I have lost no rights and no freedoms because of this, I have only gained assurance of a safe flight. Ive got no problem with that at all. Lead me to that sucker, and Ill walk through it every time. No big deal at all. In fact, in their airport surveys, over 85 percent were all for it. Only the few whiners who are paranoid about the government caused a stir, but they will do that no matter what.

      • Rick

        You are an example of the boiling frog syndrome. Before you know it,
        the TSA will be hiring proctologists to do a body cavity search.

        • DaveH

          No doubt.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Not on me. It is my privelidge to fly, and the same to tell them no thanks, and turn and walk away. I would not submit to that. Therein, lies our freedom. You say yes or no to something. If the airlines would go to cavity searches to fly, well, I would exercise my rights and chose not to fly. If a scanner upsets one so much, refuse to fly. Its that easy.

      • DaveH

        Beberoni,
        That’s your choice, not ours. We could address your concerns in a free market way by allowing airlines to offer what they think their customers want. Those who believe draconian security measures are preferable could fly on the airlines that offer that. The rest of us could choose airlines that had various levels of security including none. I, for instance, would choose the airline that armed their pilots, had strong locked cockpit doors, and allowed the passengers to be armed. Maybe I’ll die a few years sooner. Maybe I’ll send somebody else (terrorist) to their grave a few years sooner. But above all, I will enjoy my Freedom in the short time I have to live on this earth.

        • DaveH

          It’s funny to me, by the way, that I, as an atheist having nowhere to go after death, am less afraid to risk my life than many of the religious people (yes, I’m talking about you, Beberoni).

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – while I do consider myself Christian – like you, I don’t fear death.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I dont fear death at all Dave, and I really dont know where you gather that from, but to each his own. However, unlike middle eastern terrorists, I do value life. And if I have a choice to go on an airline with no security what so ever, or one that checks people for weapons, whether it be a scanner or a pat down, since they refuse to check the obvious culprits out, I would choose the scanner. But I would prefer as you mentioned in your other post, an airline that had armed pilots and armed air marshalls on board. That right there would be the best option yet. That way when Ali Habib decides to pull something, there is someone to deal with him, and I think just knowing there are armed guys aboard to stop him, that he wouldnt even go there in the first place.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And you are in error on one thing DaveH, and I wont push it, but I do have to tell you the truth, and that is you do have some place to go after death. I would like to see you on the other side, and say welcome brother. But thats up to you. But you will have some place that you will arrive at for eternity. And again, that is up to you. I have absolutely no say so in it.

        • Angel

          Here Here…I am a Christian and a woman and I don’t fear death either. Let me have my gun…I will protect myself. The Lord gave me permission to do so…as I have no husband anymore. I am quite capable.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Dave, I think that is the best idea I have heard yet. You know I would be all for that. The free market system is the best thing around, and I would be all for letting an airline have a scanner, and one not having nothing, and one having armed pilots and armed air marshals. Thats the one I personally would chose hands down over the others. Then in rating them, my next choice would be a scanner, and my last choice would be the one with no security at all. Of course, that would be Ali Habib’s choice also.

      • submoa

        The nutjob with the bomb had his buddy load the plane from the food concession vehicle with the prescribed device. No nutjob with half a falafel for a brain is going to carry his goods strapped to his groin or torso. Quit thinking pre-9/11. I doubt, with the exception of some half-baked whack job, that commandeering an aircraft is going to ever be our concern in reality…but, we’ll continue to watch the front door while the entire backyard is being infiltrated and the back door is wide open. You go right ahead with your entertainment of the tsa “shoe show”, but the Citizens have the ability to leverage the weight of the free market upon the airlines and win by convincing the airports to hire a REAL security outfit that profiles. How many times are you going to hit that snooze button?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        After seeing several clothed pictures of mother Theresa, I can say without the faintest qualm that I would know the lady in the site that Bob listed is definately NOT her!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ok, your right there. But if you saw the woman walking on the street at the next stop, you wouldnt know her from the image would you? Or would you remember that kind of thing? I know I wouldnt.

  • David

    I flew from Charlotte to Chicago and back this week and for the first time in a while I did not have to pass through the scanners in either airport……Bob maybe you are breaking thru :)

    Profile and profile some more.

  • Rickie

    When Freedom is Outlawed, Only Outlaws will be FREE

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im free. Im free to walk through the scanner and fly safely and know it, or Im free to take a bus, or drive a car. Since they wont profile the Arab murderers who blow up planes, Ill walk through a scanner anytime I want to fly, and have the peace of mind that Ill get safely to where Im going. I dont see the big deal. My gosh man, is the metal detectors in court rooms so that people can bring guns in an intrusion also? Its the same thing.

      • independant thinker

        NEWS FLASH……….metal dectectors do not take and potentialy store photos of you (and they MUST have that capability or they would be useless as far as evidence is concerned).

        • independant thinker

          NEWS FLASH……….metal dectectors do not take and potentialy store photos of you (and they MUST have that capability or they would be useless as far as evidence is concerned).

          Lets try this again.

          NEWSFLASH…….metal dectectors do not take and potentialy store photos of you like the new airport scanners (and the scanners MUST be able to do that or they are useless) for the photo would be necessary to show probable cause for a more invasive strip search of a suspected bomber.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Nor do they expose you to mild doses of radiation!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            But should they save the images of those who are deemed free to pass through them and board the plane? I should think not. Those images should automatically be deleted when the next person goes through. If they are not, then something is wrong.

      • Al Sieber

        Berberoni, yeah, you’re free you can still go to the corner store and buy a 12 pack. so you would give up your freedom for security? even Airport Security? so what’s next? let them come in your house? they can already can search your car without a search warrant. explain why you think it’s right. did you ever read the “Bill Of Rights?

        • Al Sieber

          What’s next? the “ANAL” probe? who’s going for that?,next they’ll tell you you’ll need that to be safe, so how far do let them go? to the FEMA camps?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I think your going overboard Al. I normally find you to be an intelligent guy, but this was wrong man. If you dont like the scanner, dont go. I wouldnt like the anal probe you reference in your next post, so I would go and subject myself to that. Exercise your freedoms man, I will.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh my gosh. Now that was a real bad type I pulled. That definately should read I WOULD NOT GO. Man, I hung myself out to dry on that one.

      • Vicki

        Beberoni writes:
        “Since they wont profile the Arab murderers who blow up planes, Ill walk through a scanner anytime I want to fly, and have the peace of mind that Ill get safely to where Im going.”

        Since you KNOW you are not going to blow up the plane you are on how does YOU stepping into a booth and standing like a slave or convict then being dosed with radiation then maybe being allowed to leave the booth make you safe? The Arab murderers will not be found this way. They get to pass the scanner.
        http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=229277 (Note the governments evasive answer)

        Oh and if you were truly free you could say no thanks to being radiated since they have no probable cause to search you as, in your own words (or the words of the other Beberoni) you are a 6 ft WMA.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Im not afraid of the scanner, Im not afraid of the radiation, and Im not afraid of Ali Habib blowing me out of the sky. But given a choice between nothing and something, thank you, Ill take the something. I would rather they arm the pilots and have armed Air Marshall’s, but since they dont, Ill take the safest option available. And at this point, it is only an option, and hopefully soon, it will change. You all are taking me wrong. Maybe Im not clear. All Im saying is, if you give me only two options, and one is to have everyone scanned for bombs, and the other is to do nothing at all, Ill take the scanner. Sue me and crucify me if you will, but thats all Im saying. Im not saying you have to do it and you have to like it, and If I did, Im sorry, I didnt mean that. I guess I just look at it as something to help me, not to hindrance me. I guess we just see things different, and thats what makes this country great. Sorry I disappoint some of you, but I see it like I see it, and I cant just agree with someone because I normally agree with them. If I did that, Id be a liberal.

          • Vicki

            The astute reader will notice that those of us objecting to the porn at the airports are not asking for no security (or “nothing” as the Liberal analog of Beberoni” suggests nor are we asking for doing something. We know that doing nothing and doing something ineffective are the same thing. Liberals are always wanting to do something. Even when it is known to NOT work.

            We (conservatives) WANT something. Something that works. Something that is KNOWN to work. Profiling. Armed crew and Air Marshals are a plus in the something dept.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I assure you Miss Vicki, I am no liberal. Im just a conservative Christian who is willing to humble myself to fly free. You all can make it into something its not, but thats between you and your conscience. Me, my conscience doesnt bother me. Me, I dont feel the government is out to get me. Me, I think we have the best government in the world. Is it messed up in areas, absolutely. Could it be better, absolutely. Are their crooks in it, absolutely. Is there a better one to be found, absolutely not. Just because I dont have a problem with something and you do, doesnt make me bad, and it doesnt make you bad. Its like because I like to walk, but you want to run, that Im the bad guy. Im sorry, I dont work that way. You have a problem with it, I dont, lets leave it at that. You feel violated, I dont. Maybe Im wrong, maybe your wrong, maybe Im right, maybe your right. It doesnt matter. Me walking through the damn thing does not affect you one way or the other. Does it? If it does, then I will be the first to say, Im truly sorry I hurt you by walking through this scanner. My bad.

    • DaveH

      Good one, Rickie.

  • Carlucci

    I like the container idea in the article – tell any suspicious person to step in to it so explosives they may have on their person can be detonated. There should be a big bag of pig lard hanging in the container for wacky muslim terrorists.

    Of course this isn’t about security at all as the article and comments point out. It’s all about control. I wonder just how many people in this country have read George Orwell’s 1984, because that is where we are now. I wonder why nobody makes a big deal out of what is going into cargo. Planes like Pan Am 103 had a bomb in the cargo hold.

    To add insult to injury, an ex-government employee (Chertoff) is getting filthy rich from all of this. That really makes me sick. Proof positive that the federal mafia has gone too far AGAIN. Any sweetheart deal like that should be illegal. Our own governor here in Texas tried a similar thing with forced Gardisil vaccinations for girls aged 13 and up, because it turned out that he had just bought a lot of stock in the drug company that manufactures that poison.

  • Louie

    Did it feel good (groped for Xmas). If I could get a good looking TSA agent, I might just make a career out of going thru “the pat down!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Atta way to think positive Louie. I like it.

    • DaveH

      Only if I get to pat them down in return.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Maybe you could arrange a package deal with her Dave.

  • Big Dawg

    I hope I can find a Burka that goes with my eyes!!

  • les

    This is all about the money. Gov & former Gov are getting filthy stinking rich. This is not, I repeat not about your safety. Follow the money trail. Look where and who it leads to. Wait for the next false flag and the next money making scheme.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      What , you think someone is going to make a fortune on these scanners? I mean, they can only sell so many of them, and thats it. Not exactly a lucrative thing.

      • independant thinker

        These scanners cost what, $150,000 each. if we assume a 10% markup (which is very low) that is a profit of 15,000 per machine. Multiply that times the number needed to properly screen all passengers at each and every airport with commercial passenger connections plus all stops where passengers board trains and busses and it is a hell of a lot of money and like someone else said there will be something new when when this becomes old tech.

        Incidently I would expect a markup along the lines of 20-25% not the 10% mentioned above.

        • DaveH

          Good reply, Thinker.

          • independant thinker

            thanks

        • submoa

          The “Berbs” head is bracketed into a pre-9/11 realm. Berb thinks that only the airports will have these devices…think outside the box, Berb. Mall, hotels, public transport, businesses (commercial)…every imaginable venue to where the only safe haven is your house–maybe. And, some jackass is reeling in the cash for his investment. And, we’re stuck buying muslim oil to power it all up…

          “Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it.” –John Adams, April 20th 1775

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Now see, I will draw a line there. I wont go to a hotel that has to scan me. If it comes to that, Ill sleep in the car brother. I aint going to no dive that has to scan me to go to sleep. No way. I will excercise my RIGHT to not walk through the scanner. That is my RIGHT, to chose to go through it or not. I wouldnt do it. Its pretty easy.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          So then, we need to know who is making all the money on these. Is it maybe George Soros? And the big question is, are the images on these being deleted daily, or stored somewhere where some idiot can get access to them and steal them? That is the one question I would like answerered concerning these machines.

      • Les

        These will be installed at every airport in the US. I will bet you there will also have to be installed at every airport world wide that flies to the US.

        The mark up of anything over 50 dollars has traditionally been 100% and that’s in a free market. The Government never buys anything wholesale they always pay retail plus. Or do you think $700 for a hammer is reasonable?

        Just look at the profits of all those Patriotic companies that are working so hard to defend the US. You forget who really owns them.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Retail plus? Shoot, they pay a lot of plus then. They are always over paying for everything, but its your money and my money they are using. I never did understand how it is that when the government buys stuff, they have to pay more. You would think they would have fixed that long ago to where they get it for less.

  • Louie

    Female of course…I ain’t no “Funny” sort of Man…I’m (all) man!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Good job Louie, some might have misconstrued that, but I know what you meant.

  • artinthewild

    I like the idea of a bomb room..What is wrong with that? I bet it wouldn’t take long to stop the problem. What I find so disgusting is – racial profiling. What’s wrong with that? Sounds smart to me. And if the muslims don’t like it…let them go home. I am sick and tired of political correctness. It’s the American people that are actually being treated guilty. Where is our freedom going? I saw the other day Al Sharpton wanting to get Rush L off the air because he was being racist – well what about that new black panther that was jumping up and down saying “I hates white men, kill them all and kill the white babies to (or to that effect) I can’t remember how they went but the words were there…What ever happened to him? Was that racist? Oh, no, because he was black it was okay.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I totally agree. If a 6′ white man with gray hair did the crime, which describes me, I would fully expect them to look at me and scrutinize me, and rightfully so. But it isnt 80 year old white grand man, and 70 year old black grandpa that blows up planes. Its Ali Habib, and that is who they need to profile. But since they wont, and people are so damn paranoid about these scanners that are there to make us all safe, then lets make a box you go in, steel closes around it, and any thing explosive you might have on you blows up right then and there. Then you would hear the loudspeaker person say, we now have an open seat on flight 747. I would go for this also, but some would say its violating their rights. Gimme a break. If its good for all of us its good. Ill walk through the scanner. The paranoids, just stay off the plane if you feel that way. Its thats simple.

  • Charles2439

    Muslim terrorists won again. Obama gave an exemption to Muslims, but Americans must endure this travesty because of Muslim threats and attacks on America.
    On top of that, Muslims want federal funds to build their Mosque in New York, and they advocate Sharia Law for Ameirca. All of this has been brought down on America by the Democrats and the Obama administration. It’s time to demand Obama be impeached. I am signing all petitions to impeach him, and I plan to sign them all over again after new years.
    http://www.petition2congress.com/2349/petition-to-remove-barack-obama-as-president-united-states-americ/

    • oldtimeyman

      I just signed. Thanks for the link.

    • Ray Kin

      What’s the big deal? Conservatives and Republicans want to tyrant, crusade, the world, but can’t stand the resulting security measures. It’s interesting that God’s chosen children are so insecure.

      I have to accept the inconvenience of relentless postulating. I now have to go along with a little groping. Maybe we can hire clergyman, who have consumed a few too many apples, to do this. It could be carried out as God’s work. We could move the more talented ones around between airports.

      Conservatives could defend it by pointing out that it’s constitutional and that our Founding Fathers groped each other while writing the Constitution.

      Liberals could reply: it’s unconstitutional to be required to be groped by members of a religion, we need to maintain separation of church and state as the Founding Fathers intended.

      Yawn!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Walk through the scanner. Its there to keep us safe. Big deal.

    • http://personalliberty ladykroft

      YOU PEOPLE JUST DON’T GET IT!!!
      OBAMA CAN NOT…REPEAT…CAN NOT BE IMPEACHED, NOR CAN HE BE TRIED FOR TREASON. THESE CRIMES ARE AGAINST YOUR COUNTRY. AMERICA IS NOT OBAMA’S COUNTRY. HE’S AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.
      THE HOUSE CAN ONLY TRY HIM FOR FALSE IMPERSONATION AND RESIGN HIM. BUT THAT WOULD BE JUDGED UNDER KAGAN AND SOTOMAYOR AND GUESS WHO THEY OWE THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO.

  • Nellie

    Just get over it….there is more radiation in the air craft, having x-rays, etc.

    • Carol J

      Excuse me??? It is an x-ray. I suggest you read up on exactly what these scanners are and do.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You apparently need to read up Carol J. The airlines have said that you are exposed to more radiation when flying inside of any passenger plane, than you get from a scanner. Let me ask you this. Do you ever have dental x-rays? Ever been x-rayed by a doctor? This is minimal compared to them. And I dont think you will be flying everyday will you? And from what Ive read, for those who do fly all the time, there is some kind of screening process they can go through, where they can get some kind of certification and they can skip the scanner. But the person that might fly once a year, or 5 times a year, this will not hurt you at all. You are more in danger smelling exhaust fumes driving your car each day.

        • True Born

          Chertoff, (oops, I mean BEBERONI?) stay off this site – we don’t want or need you here. Sit back and collect your millions while you can, before we take back OUR country and OUR airports.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Sorry dude, I dont do things to make piles of money. I dont need them. As long as Ive got a roof over my head, and something to eat and clothes on my back, and can help others, Im content. Youve got me confused with someone else.

    • http://personalliberty ladykroft

      NELLIE… sounds to me like you like being groped. I’ll bet you’ll be first in line when the TSA graduates to CAVITY SEARCHES.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Nellie is correct. You are exposed to more radiation flying in the plane than you are when being scanned. You might want to check up on that before you start attacking Nellie. They are harmless, unless you insist on walking through one 20 times a day every day for 50 years, then it might not be good.

        • DaveH

          This is fact. I’ve had dental technicians tell me that chest x-rays are much more powerful than dental x-rays. And I’ve had x-ray technicians tell me that dental x-rays are much more powerful than chest x-rays. Go figure.
          X-rays damage cellular chromasomes when they are in a state of mitosis. Only a small percentage of mitotic cells will sustain enough damage to affect the cell’s viability. So usually, the body sustains no health-threatening damage. But in some cases the mutated cells may become cancerous and spread slowly throughout the body in which case the original causal event would be nearly impossible to determine. The body is just too complex, and we know far too little to be able to state with certainty just how damaging the x-rays are. Each person should do their own study and determine their own tolerable risk level. Nobody else should make that decision for them.

          • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

            DaveH,

            Way to go.I agree with you one hundred percent.Good point.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I do think though, like your last sentence kind of pointed to, that we all are different, and to some they just may have more effect on than others. Unfortunately, like everything else anymore, it seems like we dont know the actual results until 10 to 20 years later, then we find out things we didnt know or expect. Hopefully, that doesnt come out on these. But if they are on the up and up about the radiation levels, it should be fine.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Berberoni,
          What does it matter how much radiation you are exposed to? If I want to travel to England on business, I will be forced to expose myself to more than I would get by JUST FLYING!! It is the fact that you are illegally FORCED that is pizzing everyone off, myself included!! What are we going to be forced to do next? Anal probes, six months wait before we can fly?? Kiss a pig before we fly? No wait, that might accomplish something!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yeah, your probably right. But other than offer an airline that does nothing, or one that provides armed pilots and air marshals, what are the options? Fly, or dont fly. Get scanned or get groped. Me, sorry dude, all Im saying about this whole thing, is I will gladly walk the scanner to be safe. If you dont agree, Im sorry I offended you. If I say Im not losing any freedoms or rights or liberties, and it doesnt affect me that way, but it does you, youve got the right to feel that way, and so do I. It really doesnt affect me or bother me. Thats is all Im trying to say. I didnt say none of you have to agree with me, and If I came across like that I apologize.

  • Ed

    It would be interested to see the impact of at least 60 % of frequent flyers to travel the country by other means and/or have every flyer to get educated on radiation and accept only pat downs resulting in longer lines. That would cause the average flyer to arrive at the airport 5 or 6 hours before a flight. Enouph is enough! An impact is made when it severely hits the pocketsof those who profit!

  • Patrick

    You guys are missing the true way to stop this idiocy. The solution is and always has been that the politicians be subjected to the same treatment as us. Now let’s all sing a chorus of that great Christmas song. Sung to the tune of I’ll be home for Christmas — I’ll be groped for Christmas, just you wait and see ….

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I just have to ask Patrick, and not being mean, but why are people, afraid to walk through a scanner, which pretty much guarantee’s you a safe flight? I dont understand this at all. Its a scanner to find explosives. Big deal. Ill walk through it gladly if it means I come home safe to my family. Ive lost no freedoms. Ive not be violated in any way. Ive been guaranteed saftey. Im all for it. Now the pat down, I can do without, but it would be easier if its a nice looking woman doing it.

      • independant thinker

        ” but why are people, afraid to walk through a scanner, which pretty much guarantee’s you a safe flight? ”

        These scanners guarantee nothing. a bomb large enough to bring down an airliner would be in the luggage compartment and the checked luggage in not checked closely enough to detect anything.

        • Aix Sponsa

          Aren’t the baggage handlers going through the stuff and collecting what they want to keep?

          • independant thinker

            True it does happen but they are only interested in what they can steal for personal gain not potential bombs.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yes I know, and thats another problem that should definately be handled with scanners, making sure luggage isnt loaded. I agree with you 100 percent on this one. That is another problem entirely, though as important and it needs addressed immediately.

      • http://personalliberty ladykroft

        That’s because doctors are saying that the scanners are ultra high in radiation and very harmful to you. Also, everyone’s missing the point here where homeland security is concerned.
        It’s proven and documented that the terrorists are usually and for the most part MUSLIMS, inside and outside of our country. Yet, THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM THIS MOLESTING/SEARCH. Where is the common sense in this?
        Also, our borders are wide open to any would-be terrorist. Again… where is the common sense in this?
        By all accounts, this molesting/search appears to be a vindictive harassment on behalf of the obama (not worthy of capitalization) administration. His priorities do not lie in the best interest of the American people.

      • DaveH

        I have to ask you, Beberoni. Why are you afraid to take your chances with the very rare event of a terrorist airline attack? You are vastly more likely to die in an auto accident.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          DaveH,
          What about the pilot??? I read where they have to go through the same screening, but if they really wanted to blow something up, they are flying the perfect bomb!!!! In a split second, faster than a co-pilot could react, the pilot could crash the aircraft into all sorts of things in the traffic pattern!!!! I want to see the scanner that can detect THAT!!!

          • DaveH

            Oh, I’m sure they will come up with something. It doesn’t actually have to be effective, just as long as they convince the sheeple that it is.
            Good point about the pilots, Joe.

        • Vicki

          Beberoni is also more likely to die in an ordinary airline crash. Try and find one of those in an airport full body scan.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Not afraid Dave. Just given a choice, an airline providing scanning everyone, and one providing absolutely no checks or security at all, I would chose the scanner. If you would chose the other, have at it, and I would not begrudge you that one bit. Id rather be able to just get on the plane also, but Im also aware that Ali Habib would like to blow it up, and if I were in that situtation, I would land in the field of Pennsylvania or die trying, because I would not sit back and do nothing. But Ill take my chances having a bomb or a weapon scanned, than nothing at all. The real solution as we already discussed before is arming the pilots and the air marshalls. But, what if someone gets to them? Then weve another problem.

          • Vicki

            Now that sounds more like our Beberoni. Now given that you are quite ok with people having choice I would think you would not be defending the TSA since they are big government forcing the (useless) screening procedures on all of us. I would have expected you to join us in demanding that the government get out of it and let the airlines choose how they want to run their security.

            I bet most airlines will not go for the “no security” approach but they would go for Profiling, Armed crew, covert and overt Air marshals. All would be something most conservatives I think would agree on.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Vicki, yes I do think the airlines should be able to chose if they want these or not. I guess I was un-educated to the point that this was being forced on them and that they dont want this. I never heard that point, and wasnt aware that they didnt have a decision in this. If that is the case, then yes, its not right forcing a business to do what they decide is best for them. In that light, then I am against that. I was not applying that principal to my judgement on my postings. I was taking a simple approach, that to not scan or do scan, I myself would take the flight with a scan. Thats all I meant to say. But if they are forcing these against the airlines wishes, I fully support the airlines rights to be able to make that decision, whether they want to employ the use of these scanners or not.

  • Jack

    Everything Congress is exempt from is broken. Cancel their congressional retirement and put them on Social Security. Cancel their healthcare plan and put them on the one for the citizens. Require they fly on commercial airlines and be treated the same as the citizens. I bet things would be fixed. Naha too easy.

    • oldtimeyman

      WHAT???

      You would actually force the “elite” to act human like the rest of us? You obviously must be sent to a re-education camp since you haven’t gotten the message that they are better than you.

      Shame, shame.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah. They are using our money, so why would they fly economically? They dont have to pay for it. Look at all the millions Pelosi spend flying her private jet everywhere. Its sick.

        • Les

          She wasn’t flying in her private jet, she was flying via the US Air Force from her private Airport called Andrews Air Force base. Look up what it has cost us to fly her anywhere she and her family wanted to go.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            She took a jet, and called it her own, even though she didnt own it. I was being sarcastic when I referred to it as her private jet, because she couldnt fly commercial like anyone else, she had to have a plane given her for her private use. Thats what I meant to say. And we paid through the nose for it.

  • Sam c

    Dec.7 1941 The Japanese bombed pearl harbor about 2300 people aand servicemen were killed
    we declared war on Japan the enemy and cured the problem
    9/11/2001 a group of radicle muslims attacked America killing aproxamatly 3000 innocent people.
    the nut jobs in charge have old women groped at the airport grab men at the croch
    young children in diapers are searched looking for the enemy
    Stupid they are not the enemy
    know your enemy and cure the problem

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      We did declare war on them, and the liberal left has attacked George W.Bush for it, and still two years after he is gone, they are still attacking him, when they should be pinning medals on his chest. I myself, would have turned one of those countries into a sheet of glass, then asked the rest of them if they had any questions. It may sound harsh, but the problem would be over, just as war with Japan was over. Funny how force brings peace. Try to tell a liberal that though. They dont understand it, as they think themselves pompous and arrogant enough that they can talk anyone into anything. News to them. They are not going to talk any kind of ideology into these Islamic nut jobs that want us dead. They will not stop until they are dead. Once we understand that, or as you said, know our enemy, then we can speak their language to them, which in this case, is Kaboom.

      • Aix Sponsa

        EXCELLENT. I wish I had said that.

      • DaveH

        I wouldn’t be quite that draconian, Beberoni, but I think you are on the right track. I would take out 3 to 5 of theirs for every one of ours. So, roughly around 10,000 and then get the flock out of their countries. No lost American Soldiers lives. Maybe a few shot-down airplanes. We wouldn’t have to do that often. The rest of their citizens would start policing their own radicals knowing that they would suffer with them for their actions. It’s called Respect. But we don’t get their respect by occupying their countries. Imagine, for instance, how we would feel if there were Mexican soldiers patrolling our streets with Uzis.
        The interesting thing to me is that 15 of the 911 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Did we do anything to the Saudis? No. We just keep buying their oil and enriching them further. Our leaders are either grossly ignorant or they are up to something.

        • DaveH

          And we also would have saved the many other lives on both sides that have been lost as a result of our 10-year occupations. Not to mention the hundreds of billion dollars that would have been saved.

        • Al Sieber

          DaveH, Mexican Soldiers in our streets is close to becoming a reality, especially in the state where we live, they’re already coming across our borders now, guarding drug shipments.

          • Al Sieber

            They were in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            They dont need soldiers. They have freely been given Southern California and now they are looking for more.

      • DaveH

        And Beberoni,
        No War has been declared by Congress since World War II.

  • Mac2

    We all do the following: When they grope you start taking deep breaths then scream Yes, Oh My GOD!, Yes! at the top of your lungs! Then say sorry that you couldn’t help it because your soooo sensitive. You fight political correctness with political incorrectness. That’ll stop them from making this so subjective as in time it will get to be nothing but an old joke. Which truthfully is exactly what this is. Truth is t hat terrorists have all but given up trying to smuggle bombs aboard airlines. It’s just too damn risky so they’ve turned their attentions elese where.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Mac2,
      No, actually they will label you and the others as trouble makers and restrict you from flying!! Simple as that!

  • FreedomFighter

    *****
    Charles Krauthammer has pointed out, it’s not. “This has nothing to do with safety,” he declared. “95% of these inspections, searches, shoe removals, and pat-downs are ridiculously unnecessary. The only reason we continue to do this is that people are too cowed to even question the absurd taboo against profiling.”
    *****

    Charles Krauthammer is an exceptionally gifted and brilliant man. TSA part of the budding private army to take your freedom:

    Problem
    Trigger event
    Solution (take away freedom, without solving the problem)

    It is the way of the evil “sinistra”.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • John Sowers

    Chip,

    I have two artificail knees, so had a pat down in the Kona terminal on the Big Island, Hawaii. They don’t have a body scan machine so the pat down was required. It was done professionally and quickly and I was not abused. Why don’t you find something worthwhile to write about?

    John Sowers
    Retired Military

    • FreedomFighter

      As retired American military, a man that would give his life for American freedom and liberty

      WHY THE FRACK WERE YOU EVEN PATTED DOWN>

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Leslie

      The Kona Airport? You are kidding right? Why not use the same analogy with the Hilo airport?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thank you sir, first for your service, and second, for being a voice of reason. I would walk through a scanner anyday, anytime, if it means I come home safe to my family. I dont understand the big deal about this. I gladly welcome it. People got to get over them selves and their anti government paranoia. Its unbelievable sometimes you know. I lose no freedoms here. I lose no liberty. I gain assured safety when flying. Im thinking that is a good thing.

      • Rose

        You DO NOT have the right to give up MY liberty for me.

        If you are afraid to fly, YOU STAY HOME

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I wasnt talking about you. I never said you had to be scanned. If you dont like it, dont do it. Just because I dont care about it, doesnt mean Im the one making you get scanned. Its here, and you can either accept it and do it, or not like it and not do it. The choice is yours, not mine.

      • DaveH

        Reason? I would call it compliance, or submission, or cowardice even, but certainly not reason.

    • libertytrain

      My daughter, a US Army Major, recently had patdowns coming and going because she was “flagged” by the airline – that were not as nice as you describe. She is a pretty girl. Perhaps that was her problem.

      • submoa

        We can only hope that such disgusting disregard for those who volunteer to defend Liberty and Freedom in defense of the Constitution is igniting a firestorm of support for the Citizens and not this usurper and his trolls. Those who take the Oath will hopefully honor it fully.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Submoa,
          This is just another in a long list of insults to our troops not the least of which is the refusal to count their votes!! I wonder if reid would have won had ALL the military votes been counted????

  • VJ

    The demonstrations that were planned to protest the pat downs and searchers for the big Thanksgiving fly day was a bust. Plus the passengers were boarded quickly and smoothly. Most people are just glad to fly on a plane that had its passengers carefully scanned. The outrage just isn’t there with the majority of the population.

    Whats your other choice. Have the bad guys get on and blow you up mid air. We are not real popular with Muslim countries because we keep invading them and handing them their 9/11 events daily. Bombing the towns, errant gun fire going through neighborhoods because that is where the Taliban hides out. The US keeps stirring up hatred and they will continue to strike back at us.

    • Rose

      We do have a choice, contact the media, your representatives, anyone who will listen. The Constituion prohibits this type of proceedure.

      People went along with it because they thought they had no other choice. They had paid for tickets and had places to be. They felt HELPLESS.

    • Aix Sponsa

      WE’re the problem? It is our fault and we are PO the muslims? What the planet are you from? If we had ignored the muslims 40 years ago, RIGHT NOW muslims would control 70% of all the known oil in the world. Do you think that would lower our prices in this country? OR would those muzzies cut us off completely and shut the USA down? Let’s face the facts. It IS about the oil. Because the USA cannot supply itself with enough oil (heat, electricity, transportation) without the major help from muzzie countries like Afganistan and Iraq. Why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor? OIL is THE #1 needed commodity in the world. It is even ahead of food. All society is geared around OIL. WAKE UP and smell the oil.

    • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner
  • Nancy

    According to the Times of India today, a female diplomat had been invited to speak at a university in Mississippi. She was returning home to India, and she wore a saree. She had been in the VIP lounge, showed her diplomatic credentials, and thirty others were traveling with her. She passed the initial entry with no beeps or bells, yet she was the only one picked for a pat down. She asked for privacy, but it wasn’t given and thus the 60+ year old senator was humiliated. I wear sarees often so I know that it is impossible to hide anything in a tight blouse, the midsection is visible and the bottom area is form fitting.
    Where’s the logic in this pat down?

  • http://allaviations.com Nick Kraft

    I suggest you and your other indignant prudes take drive your car. Flying is a privilege and not your God given right. I for one have no problem being searched or scanned. I much prefer that to some rug head or sympathizer blowing me out of the sky.

    Incidentally I am an Airline Transport Pilot rating holder. Enjoy your drive and stay out of our privilege to fly.

    N. J. Kraft
    ATP

    • Rose

      How dare you call me a prude? Give up your own rights and leave mine alone. It is my RIGHT to fly, YOU STAY HOME.

      In fact, if you do not mind not having rights, MOVE TO CHINA

    • DaveH

      Not our God-given right, but it is our Constitutionally guarenteed right not to be subjected to unreasonable searches. And since very few of the subjected public are criminals, the vast majority of those searches are “unreasonable”.
      If you want to be a cowardly wimp and be subjected to ridiculously inefficient and intrusive search proceedures then choose to fly an airline that caters to cowards. Leave the force of Government out of the equation.

    • Vicki

      Nick may I direct your attention to the 9th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. May I also remind you the Constitution doe not grant us any rights but is a contract with government to PROTECT ALL OF OUR CREATOR GIVEN Rights. Note that the contract does specifically LIMIT what powers we may give to the government. This is to protect us from the evils of democracy. (2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner). Also called “Tyranny of the Majority”.

      See Amendment 4 as it relates to the TSA activities.

      • Dan az

        Viki
        (2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner). Also called “Tyranny of the Majority”. I like that well put!

        • Vicki

          Thanks. Not my origionals. Tyranny of the Majority and the Bill of Rights was taught in schools when I was younger. The 2 wolves is probably as old but I didn’t run across it till I was busy breaking the liberal programming in my head on gun control (Clinton era and the Waco massacre). That is when I found out that we are supposed to be a REPUBLIC and what that is.

  • Tomh

    Profiling – - first, it’s not racial profiling but profiling of behavior, that will work. Also, why not bomb-sniffing dogs at these security checkpoints? personally, I like the detonating box approach the best – - no muss, no fuss. One more unexpecedly open seat on that filght! There are many, many alternatives to this assault on our personal space and freedoms that is going on right now. And, to reply to a previous poster who said that the Bush/Cheney admin. did the same things with security as they are doing now; I don’t think so. These things didn’t come to pass until the highly incompetent, power-hungry regime that is in place now came into power. In addition, we have been assaulted several times since this regime came into power; you can’t say that about the “evil” Bush/Cheney administration. Also, is our government too arrogant to listen to security experts with the safest airline in the world, which by the way, is right in the middle of a war zone – - El Al Airlines? I guess not; they’re not politically correct enough.

  • http://Illinois'17th William

    Simply put: If you elect facsists, you get facsism. We obviously have about 62 million people who are too ignorant to be allowed to enter a voting booth.
    Make that too stupid as ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever.

    • True Born

      AMEN William! I fully support a literacy test before voting. If you can’t tell the difference between facial tissue and fascism, then you can’t vote! Obviously there are close to 62 million of those too.

    • Rose

      You said a mouthful.

    • DaveH

      I agree, William, but it play right into the hands of dictators to determine who was “smart” enough to vote.
      I do think though that people who haven’t paid a certain amount of taxes each year shouldn’t be able to vote for how the tax money of others is going to be spent. If a person has no skin in the game, how can we expect them to vote wisely?

      • DaveH

        That should be “it would play”.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveH,
        I disagree on a technicality. There are a great many disabled vets that don’t pay a cent in taxes that are just as informed as you. should your idea on taxes prohibit them from voting? Many of them took the chance of paying the “ultimate” price for the RIGHT to vote!!

        • DaveH

          Joe,
          I know, it does get confusing with the government being involved in transfer payments. But those Vets did pay. It was just done in those prior years when they signed their contracts.
          If I had my way, Government would not be involved in savings plans or other personal choices. In fact, I would like all work to be done for cash money, and the people should each choose what personal protection they prefer (insurance, retirement savings, etc.).
          That would save a huge amount of arguing about what’s fair or not, because nobody would be forced to buy into anything they didn’t want to buy into.

    • submoa

      You said it! This bogus potus told us exactly what he was going to do to America, to Liberty and Freedom, and to the Constitution, and 62 million morons decided that the lie of getting $10 and a ham sandwich was worth destroying the best free-ride they ever had. The ignorant not the stupid should be allowed to vote. Those who do not own property should not be allowed to vote. Those who don’t own a dog to fight with should be banned from watching the fight and choosing the winner or loser. Those who most felt the compulsion to all of a sudden participate in something, VOTING, that they never had an interest in before will be the first to feel the horrific effects of their blind stupidity…and, yes ignorance, too.

  • libra

    having worked with x-rays for 35 years–i do wonder how much back scatter is being imposed on those waiting in those long,long lines. the folks handling these ionizing radiation producing machines are not trained or licensed to do so. in the medical field–this would be prohibited. it is bad enough for those flying during daylight hours–the amount of radiation they are exposed to as opposed to those taking night flights but this wanton exposure of everyone as they wait thier turn to be groped or irradiated is just wrong. profiling of those who are commiting 99% of terroristic acts worldwide should be the norm. please get the israelies to teach tsa the methods they use to keep thier fleet and citizens safe. tsa also wants unionization to further increase their powers over the traveling public.

  • Harold

    To Flashman: ‘Another nut case has spoken!”

  • Rose

    I HAVE THE RIGHT TO FLY. It was not givin to me by the government.

    They DO NOT have the right to irradiate me, take NAKED pictures of me, not “touch my Junk”. They do not have the right to go through my belonging.

    If you are afraid to fly: YOU STAY HOME

    • Aix Sponsa

      The Constitution guarantees free and unrestricted travel. But I bet you have a driver’s license privledge granted you by your state. Come on, admit it.

      • DaveH

        Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  • Rick

    When I went to the courthouse in Memphis a couple of years ago, I was
    required to take my nail clippers and small pocket knife back to my
    car. I wisecracked to the guard, “Do you want me to leave my gold neck
    chain there also?” When she said “No”, I said “Why not? Aren’t you afraid that I might be able to choke someone with it?”.
    I remember when I could go anywhere with my pocketknife, handgun, or
    other items in my pocket. Back then, there were almost no violent incidents, because people respected other people’s privacy and personal prtection. Ah yes, those were simpler times!

    • Aix Sponsa

      I hope when I pass you on the street that you have your firearm on your person. Amen.

    • Carol

      In the early days our parents taught us:

      RESPECT OF PERSON PLACE AND THING

      Another thing we were taught very well.

      TREAT PEOPLE AS YOU WOULD WANT TO BE TREATED

      What happened to those days where did they go?

      • DaveH

        You can thank Big Government, Carol. People used to get to choose if and where their children would go to school. They used to choose how their money would be spent. They used to choose how their business would be run.
        Now, practically everything we do is scrutinized by the public busybodies. They decide where our children should go to school, what they should be taught, and if they are allowed to pray or not. They decide how our money should be spent and how our businesses should be run.
        One size does not fit all. Are you still wondering why people are so unhappy these days?

      • Jerry

        Carol, it starts some 80 yrs ago! Type In- http://www.whale/to/b/soviet.htm
        (Read) Editorial Note–then read “Beria’s Address”, Next, Chapter XIV,
        “The Smashing of Religious Groups”. Soviets say their ‘Brain-Washing’ works–they called their Russian Citizens–”Trained Apes”, (Notice also their Lies about our Public-Elected & Appointed Officers, can you
        see any difference between that & our Presidential State Elections-!?

  • Ron Beal

    Let’s step back for a second. It is easy to take the TSA actions personal and be angry at the tactics. But this is government, not even at its worst, yet. While the tactics do not accomplish any visible results, visible results are not the goal.But the plan is working perfectly.
    Every one complains, the media reports and talks it to death, the Congressmen threathen and try to pass bills, and the President is looking into it. (Whoopee!)
    Meanwhile – back at the ranch- nothing changes except- the people resign themselves to the necessary evil and in a short while, that’s just the way it is – and no one can even tell you when it started.
    Two steps forward, one back: what is the next conditioning provedure?
    Almost “anything” they want to do – the entire process repeats itself.
    Cattle herded into the holding pen bellow, crush one another trying to get out, some try to jump the fence- calfs are taken away to calm the mothers- bulls are seperated to calm the mothers and heffers- in a few minutes everyone is standing around, perfectly calm and content.
    Then the gate opens and they are all loaded into the big truck that takes them to the slaughter house.

    Until the American people revolt – and I mean revolt totally- against this program- it will continue. All global goverments understand two things – money and violence. Both get their attention immediately. Someone has to say it- even when it is illegal- you must not allow yourself to be bullied by “any” governmental organization. Don’t let them get away with anything – question, demand, speak out, question some more- give them every opportunity to back off.

    • Angel

      That is exactly right Ron. They are getting the American public to get used to this kind of treatment to further their agenda so there won’t be too much of a hassle. But those of us that are wise to their game and protest it will be the ones fighting against herding us to the camps and forced vaccinations etc…while the other ones just follow the lead cow.

  • verlsinko

    QUIT BLAMBING THE ISLAMIC RADICALS! there are no such thing. The ones that are causing the problem are the most FUNDAMENTALIST OF THE ISLAMIC BELIEVERS. I have read the origional kORAN. Not the one translated into the languages of the west today, but the one read in arabic in the mosques. IT REQUIRES ALL FOLLOWERS OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH TO: Lie, Cheat, Steal, Kill, and by all other means (all of which are satanically inspired in the name of aLLAH.) further the destruction of the infadel. (US!).
    This will not change untill either we are all subigated under islamic rule or they are all dead to the man.
    THE SO CALLED MODERATE MUSLIMS ARE LIKE MOST OF THE AMERICAN CHRISTIANS, THEY GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. THEY DON’T KNOW NOR DO THEY CARE ABOUT THE REAL TRUTHS OF THE FAITH THAT THEY CLAIM BUT DON’T PRACTICE. THEY FLOAT ALONG IN THE BLISS OF IGNORANCE AND LET OTHERS TELL THEM WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE.
    THIS WILL CONTINUE UNTILL JESUS RETURNS !!!!!!!!

    • http://personalliberty ladykroft

      VERLSINKO…boy, are you sadly disillusioned about the muslims. Taken in by their “peaceful religion” , are ya?
      There is no such thing as a “moderate muslim”. They all have the same agenda…or it’s off with their heads. They are threatened with their death and that of their relatives. A big incentive to abide by modern day teachings of islam.
      Why would the imam involved in building a mosque near ground zero be so adamant and insensitive, while everyone knows that to build that mosque there would be a sign of victory over the US? Modern day Islam and muslims are a military CULT and they’re hiding behind religion. The sooner you and others understand this, the sooner we can get those insufferable bastards out of our country.

      • DaveH

        No such thing as a “moderate muslim”? Please. There are staunch believers and not-so-staunch believers in any religion. Judging by the way so many Muslim soldiers laid down their arms in the mid-east wars when faced with death, I would guess that probably most of the Muslims are going along with their fellow Muslims, not because they believe, but because they know the radicals might kill them if they don’t at least pretend to believe.

      • Angel

        ladykroft…you have got it right. If threatened by their Muslime counterparts…they would stand up tall. Everyone should read Son of Hamas by Mosab Hassan Yousef who is now a Christian and tells all about the Koran. Even he says that the biggest threat we have is the Koran and if they believe in it…they will act on it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        ladykroft,
        you DO realize that verlsinko said the same basic thing you did, don’t you?

    • Aix Sponsa

      Right. Jacob and Esau have been fighting for thousands of years. NOthing we do will stop that. All we can do is protect ourselves and our way of life from those who are determined to elimate us.

    • William Barry

      “THIS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL JESUS RETURNS.”

      Or until we finally grow some backbones and put these tyrants and slavemasters in their place… under OUR boots.

  • Gidge

    When they first put those scanners in, the head of the TSA said on TV that these machines were NOT able to retain, take photos or anything else. According to him its just a looksee and on to the next person. Boy did he lie. They can retain and take photos.

  • http://NetZero Rushinghunter

    Have all of you “BushBashers” been reading wikileaks? Makes Bush Administration look pretty clean.

    • Vicki

      It is quite amusing that it is the liberal ox being gored by wikileaks atm. :)

  • Aix Sponsa

    If you are going to buy diamonds, you don’t consult your trash collector. You find an expert in that specialty. Airlines should follow the Israeli plan for safety. They have the safest planes in the world.

    • Vicki

      Airlines probably would if they were allowed to. Unfortunately they are required to us the TSA or private firms overseen by the TSA.

      “After approval from TSA and a competitive bidding process, SPP allows airports to transition to private screeners while maintaining TSA oversight and the corresponding increased level of security implemented since 9/11.”
      http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/11/airports-who-opt-out-of-tsa-screening.html

  • Polski

    I fly sporadically, but fairly often. All of you, keep writing, phoning, faxing, whatever, with your complaints. They are working so far. I have flown several times since this program of TSA was supposed to start. From Seattle, from Chicago (Midway), from Minneapolis, from Cleveland, from Dayton, from Detroit. Even though the new zapping machines are installed, they are pretty much NOT using them. They are also pretty much NOT groping. And I can only think it’s because ALL of you are protesting. KEEP IT UP!!!

    • DaveH

      Thank you for your input, Polski.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    I have been flying on airlines for over 35years and in that time have visted in the past many different places,for over the last 20years ive always visited my family members in north carolina and tennesee,georgia,but now thats nomore,may take a road coach or train or maybe save the money i would normaly spend on tickets,food,lodging.gifts for my family members and friends,first i am a very conservative old man,two i dont want any man groping me or my john henry,looking for what ever,maybe a charge,(YOU KNOW THE GAY BUNCH)i believe my own body is mine,period,and if the bunch of morons running this lunatic agenda,would stop letting these foreign terrorist into this nation on visas,no one would have to have their persons violated period.but no the more the chaos the better for these zionist neo-com commmunist liberals that are doing this evil,i am fed up.with these marxist trolls.

  • ONTIME

    You know for about the last six years while trying to do normal biz, flying and paying taxes as a ordinary citizen, I feel as though I have been raped, mugged and now continually groped. Maybe next year I will get sold to a white slaver and forced into prostitution…..ya gotta have something to look forward to.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      ONTIME,
      I vote yours as one of the best posts here!!!!! Definately says the truth!!

  • Big O

    its amazing how many people do not even know what the walk through xray does to peope. first of all Doctors have stated that people that have the gene that causes cancer or tht have had cancer will get it if they stand in the machine. second thing is the TSA seaching you have not changed glove for each person being groped, CDC stated that TSA are passing and sharing germs such as scabies, herpies, crabs, lice, and much more to each person they touch with the same gloves. Would you let your doctor feel you up in your privates with the same gloves he just gropped the last guy with? i dont thinks so! and if they pull another st of gloves from their pocket its like they have used them before, they are not new once they leave the dispenser box. WAKE up idiots !!! the xray does not detect explosives inserted inside your butt or inside a womans privates, it does not detect explosives formed along the body as a layer of skin, this was proved by the jewish airline security. also it would be cheaper to have a dog sniff your crotch then having a xray or copping a feel on you.

    • DaveH

      Good points, Big. Now the cowards are going to be freaked out about the diseases they might be sharing with other gropees, lol.

  • ROBERT RYAN NAMVET

    Bib difference between groping and physical search. Better belive our rights to illegal search and seizure are being violated. However, if some TSA agent was to grope me, I sure hope she is hot blonde who let me return the favor.

  • Deanna

    Recently, my sweet, little 69-year-old mother was harassed by a TSA agent in the Charlotte airport. She was told to go through the naked-body scanner. She told the agent she did not want to – and he yelled at her to stand there and put her hands over her head. She was intimidated into doing what she was told. When my brother complained, the guys in charge at the Charlotte airport checked the recordings and said my mom went right into the scanner like the black female TSA agent told her to. The only problem is… she didn’t – and it was a white male TSA agent. So it’s my Mom’s word against theirs – and no one would even offer her an apology for the way she was treated. Frankly, I refuse to fly unless it’s an absolute emergency and there are no other options. And if I do fly, I’ll strip down to a bikini to go through security. That should eliminate the need for scanners and pat downs!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Deanna,
      Don’t bet on wearing a bikini making it unneccessary this IS the government we are dealing with!!!

    • libertytrain

      Deanna you can get away with the bikini – on the other hand, I am not a slim trim diva any longer – on the other hand because of that I may make it through easier because of the TSA staff being a little disgusted – you may not have that luxury. :)

  • da norseman

    Oh, I don’t care! Just as long as I can get on a plane and get to where I’m going. If the TSA wants me to get naked, I’ll get naked! I’ve got nothing to hide at all. They can search me all they want.I don’t mind getting to the airport earlier than the norm to allow enough time for TSA formalities and procedures.

    For those who complain about the TSA and don’t want to fly anymore because of them, that just gives me more room on the plane with less passengers to worry about and the flight attendants can cater to my every needs more often. My biggest complaint about flying are unruly passengers.

    • Jimmy G

      … we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

      Reminds me of film I have seen from WW Two of naked Jews going into the gas cambers to “shower”

  • Jimmy G

    Simple, instead of flying to Utah for spring break we are staying and spending our money in Texas. Have seen about a tenth of the state and love the land and the people, even weird Austin. I’ll be sure to send Continental Air a letter as to why I will no longer fly. I could go down to Sugar Land and fly with all the Corp. CEO. and politicians, but I have to pay my own way.

  • Carol

    I just thought of something of which I don’t know why I guess because I haven’t flown in a very long long time.

    But can you imagine what a rape victim/survivor feels like when she or he is touched in such a manner and all those thoughts return so quickly not until it happens then and only then there will be a knee jerk reaction but not from what that person is doing but what happened to them when they went through that horrible time.

    I think that is another reason there might be someone who is generally a quiet nice person will there be a problem and they could be very well arrested for reacting in such a way.

    Just think of that for a while and think that is a possibility not to be overlooked.

  • ELAINE

    I am completely against both the TSA methods…scanner and pat down. AND on TV last week I actually SAW both a nun and a Muslim hajib woman go through the pat down WITHOUT REALLY TOUCHING THEIR PARTS…JUST THE EXTERIOR OF THEIR LONG GARMENT!!! This infuriated me no end. I agree with Israel’s method, and even the European use of dogs to sniff bombs. I know our Constitutional rights are being trampled, and like most of you here, have read and read and listened to all the authorities talking about this on TV. BUT….what does one do when she is in my present situation. My beloved brother age 73 is afflicted with Alzheimers, after a lifetime of ministry and writing four spiritual books. His lovely wife, son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren are ALL that remain to me in the world. I have kidney failure Stage Four, and soon will have dialysis, PLUS have large titanium rods & 10 screws holding my lumbar back together. Thus NONE of us can drive the distance between IN and FL…but as he sadly told his wife recently, after a phone talk the best we could, “I want to see her one more time before I don’t know her anymore (doesn’t recog. some of his adult children now!) and before she has that thing (dialysis tube) in her stomach.” SO…my dear SIL has made flight arrangements for me to visit soon. I called small airline taking, and with the metal in my back and neck, I must have a pat-down. At age 75, I greatly resent this necessity to JUST SEE THIS PRECIOUS FAMILY. What does one do….storm Washington first?! I have written my representatives, both of whom I helped put in office when I could still work at it, and still so via email support. No one can seem to stop this. My SIL even told me how and what to pack and not pack, since their ministry used to call for much flying. Unbelievably stupid rules too!!! When I moved to FL 5 yrs. ago, was taken aside for extra checking and wand, and when I asked if I looked like a young Middle Eastern male?” instead of a senior female American, the young kid said, “Ever hear of Ma Barker.” Then the nice older woman told me later as she wanded me, “It’s because you have a one-way ticket.” ANYWAY…..WHEN ONE CANNOT DRIVE OR EVEN MANAGE A BUS…WE ARE STUCK WITH FLYING.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Elaine,
      Look into renting a van from a rental agency and put a mattress in the back. you would be able to lie flat to travel and be comfortable. God Bless. From one fused spine to another!!

  • http://personallibertydigest Betty

    I bet if we could get rid of obama and some one in the white house with some common sense and is for AMERICA and it,s PEOPLE instead of all the illigels coming in this country a lot would change and yes send all the muslins home we would have some peace in this country but when you have a muslin trying to run a country and dont know what he is doing except run down all the AMERICANS from the word go now he has got to get clinton to help him because he doesnt have a clue of what to do and never have and never will you know what they said about hitler he was crazy and i belive it GOD BLESS AMERICA AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR

  • Merl

    We need to profile. We are probably the only country that does not; this is why we are targeted. TSA should not be zappin and gropin babies insted of people from Yemin, etc.

  • Markus

    Does anyone know where these “full body scanners” came from? Answer: Micheal Chertoff, the former Homeland security director who is now working for the company that makes these things. The incestual relationships are amost nauseating. Democrat or Republican, their all the same.

  • US First

    Every item that is used to care for people is extensively researched, tested and then approved by the FDA.
    Show me how these machines that use X-rays, escaped this scrutiny. Not a single machine should be used until it passes the usual studies.

  • Jerry

    From what I know about X-ray Scans, they were “out-lawed” after 3 yrs
    of use in all shoe-stores, such as “Buster-Brown”,& etc-! The machines
    had a ‘live’ x-ray of your feet–where you can see your feet-bones to find if your kid’s shoes fit-!(See the ends of your toes)The Doctors of the American Medical Association gave reasons to Congress why these
    x-ray’s in shoe-stores are “Dangerous”-they destroy ‘red-blood cells’,
    can cause ‘Cancer’, & worst of all, permanently “Sterilize” persons–
    who, they’ll never have kids-! Witness x-ray operatives, with a whole
    body “Leaded Apron” & they always leave the room, when x-rays are on-!
    Your Doctors know–if this is True! Ask-! Recent news shows Problems,
    that 20% of our kids’ genes are x-rayed childless! No Jokes-! Adults
    may already be afflicted-! As for the “Pat-Downs”, Doctors warned us,
    that this probably will hasten “AIDS” & other “Sexual-Diseases-!” Now
    do you think–this will “Better Your Life”-! Raise Hell on Congress-!
    But ask your Doctors to make “Public Announcements to Congress” about
    your “Demand To Be Saved From Congress & Foolish Political Policies!”
    (You’re still a U.S. Citizen–Not a Slave–Vote like One-!)

  • http://espionageaction-actionadventure.blogspot.com stephen russell

    Reforms:
    Profile like El Al does.
    CUT groping.
    Outsource TSA.
    Downsize TSA.

    Then lets get moving fwd OK

  • Jack Bolare

    We are not terrorists, we don’t have any intention to hurt anyone. We just want to go visit family, we don’t need for you to make it a memorable experience of the worst kind!! We are law abiding citizens and have unalienable rights guaranteed by the 4th Amendment. The Right against” unlawful Search and Seizure”. This is still America and we are still somewhat a Free nation.

    Get your filthy hands off my grandmother, don’t you dare touch my children, you put your hands on my wife, and we will see you in court you pervert. As for the full body scan, sex machine…..WE -OPT -OUT!!! You’ll have to find another way to get your jollies. Let us get on the plane and be on our way, then you can scan and fondle each other to your heart’s content.

  • Carol J

    I avoid x-rays as much as possible. My Dad and 5 of the people he worked with were all required to have chest x-rays once a year for their jobs. All 6 of them died of esophageal cancer.

  • http://email jimbo

    IWRMF(my new terms for want to be idiots wanting to run my freedoms) to each and everyone of you so called rightous people. WHAT DID YOU DO TO PREVENT THE 911. YOU ALL STOOD SCREAMING WE WANT THIER HEADS, SO WE WENT AFTER THEM. THEN YOU SCREAMED ABOUT THE WAR. YOU BUNCH OF TOTAL SELF-CENTERED IWRMF’S. THE ONLY REAL FREEDOMS YOU WANT ARE FOR YOU AND YOU ALONE. I WANT TO GET ON A PLANE KNOWING I WILL LAND ON A RUNWAY, I WANT TO KNOW WERE I LIVE IS FREE OF PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE STREETS AND BLOWING UP A COUPLE OF DOZEN FRIENDS OF MINE. ALL YOU IDIOTS SCREAM THE XRAYS ARE GOING TO KILL YOU THAT IT IS ALSO INVASION OF YOUR PERSONNAL BEING. DON’T FLY-TO BAD –DON’T FLY. THE XRAY YOU GET IS LESS RADS THEN THAT OF FLYING- ABOUT 300% LESS. THIS XRAY YOU GET TAKES CARE OF ANY IDIOT CARRING SOMETHING THEY SHOULDN’T BE. THIS XRAY IS GOING TO GET ME TO WERE I AM GOING SAFELY. THIS IS MY CHOICE OF MY FREEDOM. I COULD POINT OUT SOMETHING EVERYONE OF YOU SAID SO FAR THAT IS AGAINST MY RIGHTS. RIGHT UP FRONT. IT IS A FREEDOM TO FLY IF YOU CHOOSE TO, NOT A RIGHT. DON’T LIKE IT GET OFF MY BUS AND RIDE WITH THAT BOMB MAKERS. YOU BUNCH OF “IWRMF’S”. WE WOULD ALL BE SAFER KNOWING YOU WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE FROM THE GET GO.

  • DaveH

    You can see, folks, how it goes with Big Government by all the animosity on this board. People are attacking each others’ fears and desires because what the controlling parties fear and desire is forced on the others. Neighbor against neighbor. And it will continue to become more contentious as the Government grows larger.
    We could instead have a simple free-market solution to this anger. Airlines would be free from Government force to offer high security or low security. Those of us who choose high-security would of course have to pay more (it costs a lot of money to be groped). And those of us who choose low-security would pay less and not put on a porn show for the perverts. Then everybody should be happy. I realize that the control freaks still won’t be happy, but that is their problem.

  • Janice Fortin

    Does anyone ever question why does the president insist on importing by the MILLION the very folk who have been the only ones guilty of terrorism?

  • Dan az

    For the very reason that he him self is a terrorist working from the inside.Might I add that we will be paying for them with our tax dollars for a very long time also.

  • WhiteSnow

    Well, now that TSA has gotten away with their searches…my question is what are going to do next? You know they are not going to just do this at the airport.

    Need to read a new book that’s a thriller where Amerians actually take a stand against federal tyranny. It’s a book I’m recommending this holiday cause it could be our true destiny in history.

    http://www.booksbyoliver.com

    I wonder where the outrage is…demonstrations/protests against the TSA. That is what we need or boycotts of the airports. This would bring the TSA under more control by the people.

    Good article, Bob. Thanks!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I’ve also seen CNSnews (Clinton Promises ‘Review’ of Procedures After TSA Pat-down of Indian Envoy Causes Stir, Friday, December 10, 2010) They say “…..the envoy had been humiliated…..”?? Well, haven’t many Americans, who are not to blame for 9/11/01, also been humiliated at our nation’s airports?? Did the TSA worker(s) know who Shankar was when they searched her? Yes or No, I’d be wary of ANYONE dressed in a sari. GET REAL!! Profiling would be more effective, and more logical than the politically correct BS we’ve seen over the past 2 years!! Of course, we have to remember that the politically correct liberals/democraps always do everything @$$-backwards. And although Hillary Rotten Clinton said she wouldn’t want to be patted down herself, it appears she’s more sympathetic to foreigners than the constitutional rights of us – the American citizens!! To all the drones, progressives and liberal diehard morons, I say: PAT YOURSELVES on the back for your foolish choices in the 2006 and 2008 elections!!

  • william matteson

    If each airlines were held responsible for the safety of their aircraft i don`t think any of this would be necessary.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wise Lady says:

    12-13-10

    To HFlashman: just refreshing your memory: The US Cole Naval ship was attacked, 22 people died, an embassy in an African country was bombed and killed 250 people where over hundreds of Americans died; in Mogadisho (forgive my spelling),Clinton declared war there and all we got were horrible pictures of our Marines being dragged through the streets while people clapped; we lost that war after providing financial aid; a blind Imam, ordered bomb loaded trucks to drive into the underground parking lot of one of the Twin towers in New York. He is now in jail along with other terrorists, six other attempts were made, with bombs, to destroy Americans. Guess who was President, Flashman?, President CLINTON! Stop blaming President Bush! Get your facts before making accusations! We are tired of putting up with ignorant liberal thinking!

    Please, please… do your research and learn your history before you blame others. Now we have a mess because Clinton was not a good Commander in Chief!

    Radiation and TSA Machines: listen, dear people,

    I thank God I learned a lot about radiaton in the fifties by working for a Dental Oral Patholigist who developed improved techniques for oral surgery, taught at USC Dental School, lectured in numerous universities, and practiced dentistry in the fifties. I was his assistant while attending college.

    I married a Nuclear Scientist after working with the Oral Patholigist.
    They never met, but both scientists stated one very important fact, radiation can gradually contribute to serious damage to your body while, flying, X-Rays, sun bathing, starring at sunsets too long, and working with high frequency radiation machines, and etc…. My husband wore warning chirpers when he worked in the radiation lab. Often I could hear them over the phone when he would call me after having to leave and delay the experiment. The intensity was imense and only so many minutes could be allowed in the experimental lab. Very strict rules were established for their safety to the exposure of radiation. Numerous times some of the team’s work had to be delayed for weeks to protect their health.

    Chertoff is laughing to the bank now that he owns the company that deveoloped the screening machines. We must demand that no former government official may exploit the public citizens by formulating a company to develop a foreseen product such as the TSA machines. If this has happened, an investigation should ensue to find out how much research was paid by the public to develop the product…and if it produced, permissable by our govenment, then the company may keep a small amount of profit, in combination with his private money, and the majority should go into paying our national debt. Make this law retroactive to catch up with our payment of the huge national debt.

    I have elected not to fly and also encouraging others to demand that a NATIONAL ID CARD be issued to citizens of the U.S.A.! No more student Visas and strong enforcement of those who overstay theirs. I know of someone who bought property and had an overstayed Visa. No services of banking to illegals, brief emergency medical care for them if necessary, and then returned to their country. We have had it! We are drowning ourselves with despair into poverity while the politicians gloat in their comfort zones.

    I foresee an increase of illnesses that will be attributed to frequent passage through the TSA machines, especially for the pragnant women who will have to go through more than once. I do not trust the entegrity of our government and bet many politicians will be looking into flying in their private planes at our expense. Nancy Pelosi will demand it!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wise Lady says:

    12-14-10

    I never thought the, “pig” had so much power!. Let’s all carry some bacon bits and while standing in line, waiting to get a pysical, we will wave our bacon bits in the air and declare victory after the terrorist leave the line and, for double security, sprinkle two or three bits as we board the plane, but we must not make a mess.

  • jopa

    Wiselady;But we must never forget who ignored the briefs stating Osama Bin Laden destined to attack the US with planes.Bush read the heading and went on vacation for four weeks.Also Clinton caught his bad guys.You say stop blaming Bush.Who else is there to blame for his sloppiness?

  • James G. Borden

    Our government under the Muslim Rat president is trying to make loyal Americans physically submissive under the fake argument of national security so when the national government wants to really take over American society as a dictatorship loyal Americans will perhaps be more willing to bend over and submit their U.S. Constitutional and Bill of Rights to a fascist government.

  • http://smokey'sbooks jessica

    For goodness sakes………..get DOGS! Does that tell you who is getting the kick back on those screenings? Not the dogs.

  • http://smokey'sbooks jessica

    Everyone! Dogs are 85% correct on their sniffing bombs and drugs.
    The scanners are not even 50%…….get the dogs. Vote, call you congressman…..get the dogs

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