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The Tenthers Are Coming!

February 21, 2012 by  

The Tenthers Are Coming!

When the Tenth Amendment Center co-hosted three events at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C., this month, the No. 1 question we heard from people when talking among the crowds was: “The 10th Amendment. Hmmmm. Which one is that?”

Seriously? Yes. Over and over again, we heard the same question. At first, I thought they were joking. Consider all the Tenther hype from people like Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich and other mainstream conservatives. And at a recent Fox News/YouTube debate, the most requested question from conservatives around the country was about the 10th Amendment. Maybe they were testing us to see if we knew what we were talking about.

But, no, I was wrong. A large number of the people we interacted with at the biggest and most mainstream conservative event in the country had no clue what the 10th Amendment even is.

And they wonder how this country could end up with someone like Barack Obama? Yeah, well, that’s another column altogether.

After being asked that same question about the 10th a dozen or so times, I decided to give a much simpler reply. It went something like this: “The 10th Amendment is the one that says that Feds are allowed to do only certain stuff. That stuff is in the Constitution. Everything else is left to each of the States as we the people decide.”

That got some really positive responses. Good, because it’s true.

Practical Examples

After I got home to Los Angeles, I started to think about that question more and more. And, yes, while the basic principle I shared with people in Washington is true, I recognize that people want and need to see practical examples of how something like this is actually playing out.

Talking about how things “should be” is one thing. But sharing examples of how people are taking action on Constitutional issues right now is far more powerful.

When it comes to the Constitutional “rule of construction” known as the 10th Amendment and actions being taken around the country to reject Federal laws, regulations and mandates enacted outside the scope of their Constitutional limits, there are loads of examples to share.

In a quick one-on-one conversation, I’ll still continue to give my short-version answer about the 10th. But in a forum like this, there’s a great opportunity to share a bit more. Like this:

The 10th amendment is the one that says the Feds can do only the few things allowed to them in the Constitution. And that means people like you are empowered to do something about it when Federal politicians violate those rules. In fact, people around the country are doing something about issues all across the political spectrum right now. They’re standing up and saying something that you and I should be saying to Washington every single day: No.

That’s right. A law passed outside the limits of the Constitution is no law at all. It’s an act of usurpation. And when the Federal government passes “laws,” regulations and mandates that aren’t authorized by the Constitution, you are not bound to obey them.

Happening Right Now

Being early in the year, this is the time when State legislatures are working with people to find ways to say “no” to Washington. Here are some of what I consider to be the biggest and best examples happening around the country today.

1. Banning Health Insurance Mandates

Last fall, 66 percent of Ohio voters and a majority of every single political demographic, approved Issue 3: the Ohio Health Care Freedom Amendment. This State Constitutional Amendment says that “no law or rule shall compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer, or health care provider to participate in a health care system.”

Ohio is the 10th state to pass something along these lines, and six other States are considering similar measures already this year.

Keep track of all the activity on this front here.

2. Rejecting Indefinite Detention

Ten years ago, if you had called the Patriot Act “moderate,” I probably would have puked. But compared to what Obama signed into “law” on Dec. 31 (primarily sections 1021 and 1022 of the National Defense Authorization Act), that George W. Bush-era tragedy for American liberty is mild.

When due process is eliminated, these so-called “indefinite detentions” are little more than government-sanctioned kidnapping. I believe there should be serious ramifications for kidnapping, whether the kidnappers work for the government or not.

Tennessee is currently considering a bill that would do just that: sanction Federal agents with kidnapping charges in that State. Other States are taking the position that they will provide absolutely no material support in any way with the Federal government on this issue. The Virginia House of Delegates passed a bill which would make law that no agent of the Commonwealth could participate in supporting the Feds in arrest without due process. The vote on that bill was a whopping 96-4.

So far, six States are considering similar bills — what we call the Liberty Preservation Act in our model legislation at the Tenth Amendment Center.

Harder to tame than a willful statehouse might be a cluster of counties, towns and cities, each one individually working to nullify these new kidnapping powers through local law. In just days, a number of localities began to consider similar legislation, and already seven have passed — most recently in Northampton, Mass.

Expect many more to join them soon. Follow the activity here.

3. Advancing Constitutional Money

With the economy coming apart at the seams, a growing number of people would like to see Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution followed. It states that “No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.”

It seems pretty straightforward, but it hasn’t been followed in ages.

Following Utah’s lead from last year, five other States are working on legislation to allow sound money to actually be used without sanction. And while this is really just scratching the surface, it’s moving faster than waiting for Washington to somehow give up its power to inflate and bail out their friends.

Stay informed of progress on Constitutional Tender Acts here.

There’s Plenty More

Rejecting mandates, restoring due process and supporting sound money are just three important issues that define what’s happening in the Tenther Movement today. But there’s so much more. States around the country are considering similar actions on issues like 4th Amendment violations by the Transportation Security Administration to 2nd Amendment violations by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

From mandates to milk, from weed to wars without declaration and everything in between, very little of what the Federal government does today is authorized by the Constitution.

But even though the establishment politicians and establishment media will never tell you this, we don’t have to sit around and take it. When 25 States refused compliance with the REAL ID Act of 2005, that law remained on the books in Congress, was never challenged in Court, but was rendered virtually null, void and unenforceable in most of the country.

Saying “no” works.

When enough people stand up and say “no” to Washington and enough States follow their lead and pass laws backing them up, the Feds are going to have a hell of a time trying to force their unConstitutional “laws,” regulations and mandates down our throats.

Michael Boldin

Dr. Michael Cutler

is a graduate of Brigham Young University, Tulane Medical School and Natividad Medical Center Family Practice Residency in Salinas, Calif. Dr. Cutler is a board-certified family physician with more than 19 years experience. He serves as a medical liaison to alternative and traditional practicing physicians. His practice focuses on an integrative solution to health problems. Dr. Cutler is a sought-after speaker and lecturer on experiencing optimum health through natural medicines and founder and editor of Easy Health Options™ newsletter — a leading health advisory service on natural healing therapies and nutrients.

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  • s c

    Right on, Michael. Whatever it takes to get the job done and return America to its Constitution core. Up the rebels – and ____ any and all utopians.

    • FreedomFighter

      Im thinking it may take the US MILITARY to remove Obama and his cronies, way to much money and power behind this movement to usurp America. We are talking a cabal of international banksters with unlimited funds, ruthless demeaner, a multi-generational plan based on an occult mystical religion Luciferianism. They believe they are working for “god” Lucifer, multigenarational fanatics, hell bent on NWO one world government.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        Not likely, FF. Remember Libya? They just follow orders, damn their oath to uphold the Constitution.

      • Lady Kroft

        Have you forgotten who leads the US MILITARY? The fox guarding the chicken coop.

      • Flashy

        Bring back the draft. Otherwise you get what you ask for. A professional armed forces distinct and seperate from civilian influences. which increasingly view the citizenry as a “them” … and creating the danger of an “us” versus “them” mindset and rebellion against civilian authority.

        it doesn’t take much to figure that conclusion ultimately occurring.

      • DaveH

        Of course a Big Government Lover would want to reinstate the Draft — The most heinous form of Slavery that Rulers can subject their citizens to.

      • Ron Harness

        I certanly hope our military men and women are still American enough to see through the corruption in our government and would come to the aid of the American people instead of a courrupt Commander In Chief.

      • Flashy

        It would figure that DaveH would take the anti American stance that serving your country is viewed as slavery

      • mark

        FF, the US military will NEVER revolt against an elected government. One that cancelled all elections, shut down Congress, and banned all opposition political parties – yes the U.S. military would DEFINITELY revolt against such an adminstration. But there is a problem with this, the Obama administration will never do ANY of those things. Obama will run in the scheduled Nov. 6 election. Right now it looks like he will win a narrow victory 51% of pop vote (not 53% like last time) and around 285 electoral (not 365 like the last time). Of course a lot can happen in 9 and a half months. He might very well lose a close election if the Republicans could get their act together and unify behind a candidate that the majority find acceptable. Right now this doesn’t look too good.

      • kkflash

        Flashy, how can you not see the self-contradiction and hypocrisy of your statements? You have stated that forced conscription to the military is somehow a means of curbing military power that could be used to oppress the citizenry. This circular argument is typical of the left, who continually suggest that the way to solve the problems caused by over-reaching government is to throw more government at the problem. You all are walking contradictions of yourselves.

      • Flashy

        KKF….what contradiction?

        I advocate a draft for HS graduates giving two options. Military or a CCC. Military would be for 2 years, a CCC for 3 years. Both provide training and income. Both provide a means to set aside funds (or a government guaranty of funding) for college or advanced trade school skills. Employers would have a highly skilled labor force.

        In a military which is all volunteer, you have professionals. Who are trained to think that they are special because they are in the military. They have, they must have, to be effective a distinct identity and pride.

        As it is, there have been several instances where military officers have been forced to resign because they forgot our system has a military ultimately under the rule of a civilian government.

        because of the low trunover, the increased identity , the mindset becomes a “we” versus ‘them’. They seperate from the identity and understanding of the civilian segment. they think they are different, which evolves in tinking they have some better insight into matters. They view a lack of discipline in the civilian segment as bad and see that organization is better.

        Soon, it become a seperate force in society. That way is the oath of military intervention in civilian rule. I didn’t make the path, it’s shown throughout history.

        A draf would insert civilian forces into the military. It would maintain the mixing of civilian and military identities. And it would provide the necessary training for a strong civilian presence to counter balance in case of rebellion in the military. It also has everyone having a stake in any military action. it’s no longer some faint ideal of ‘our guys’ … it becomes very real when it’s everyone’s sons and daughters at risk. And any military operation then has a heightened scrutiny and requires higher legitimization …

        And it would provide the means for the youth to be able to serve their country, their Nation.

        So..what’s wrong with that?

      • John

        The military by their oat has to protect the government…as long as it is a rightfully ELECTED government they have to protect it even against…..gasp….a revolt by the losers of the elections….Unless the Military forgoes their oat and goes against the constitution, there is NO way they can legally overthrow a rightfully elected government…

      • bryan

        First, you have to remove the “Military ignorance” that would put to death anyone who speaks out against our Government. From basic training on Soldiers are taught to blindly follow orders. Those with enough sense to think are easiest to do this, so they are promoted to the top. I seriously doubt that you could find a hand full of miliytary leaders with enough pull to order a Big Mac, much lesss any defiance against our “president”

      • TML

        Flashy says, “I advocate a draft for HS graduates giving two options. Military or a CCC. Military would be for 2 years, a CCC for 3 years. Both provide training and income. Both provide a means to set aside funds (or a government guaranty of funding) for college or advanced trade school skills. Employers would have a highly skilled labor force.”

        Providing those options without a draft (aka: Force) sounds rather good. However, drafting people is still force, even if you force them to choose between two options.

      • Flashy

        John etc … Remember Gen. LeMay and the events subsequent to as well as leading to the Cuban Missile Crisis ? What military coup is egal? And what leaders of such a coup saw themselves as anything but acting to ‘save the country” ?

        in other words, they saw themselves as being separate from the exisitng civilian rule, not a part of.

        As for an option. Should it be an option to give something to your Nation? Should our society not demand such from everyone? And the highest level of unemployment, the stage of a worklife which sets the pattern for the future as far as what “niche” you will fill..is the age coming out of HS and the young adult years. What’s wrong with saying…because we want you to have a good job, here’s some good training.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        John, WRONG!…whether legally elected or not, if either a goverment or individual that is “rightfully elected” is usurping the Constitution then they are in act commiting treason…The Military & Govt. oath: Defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.

        The Left and Right arms of the one oligarchic political body will not prosecute each other…which means that every man and woman who’s sworn an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, must act to incapacitate those who violate the Constitution.

        There is a reason why our founders created the Constitution and the Bill of Rights…checks & balances by the people…

        “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission.” – George Washington, Address to the Continental Army before the Battle of Long Island (27 August 1776)

      • http://acc2hoyle Meta

        This should have been done the moment Obama was put on the ballot without being vetted. The House (both sides) and he should have been escorted to the border at this criminal act … after all, the Constitution IS the Law of the Land.

        Hondurus did it and we call ourselves GREAT!

        Yeah! great at being appeased and turned into “gimme more” sheep being led to the slaughter by America Haters.

      • Tom W.

        The POWER of NO!!!

      • tony

        Wow, FF, still wearing your tinfoil hat? Luciferianism? I thought you said he was a Muslim(they believe in the God of Abraham) or he’s a Christian follower of Rev. Wright. I wish you guys would make up your mind. Time to get back on your meds….

      • kab

        Tony – Islam IS the religion of lucifer. And just like Obama, there’s always just enough truth wrapped in with the lies to make it seem plausible, i.e. the God of Abraham of the bible. From that point on, it’s all just lies and deception. Obama is a liar and deceiver, just like his father lucifer.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “It would figure that DaveH would take the anti American stance that serving your country is viewed as slavery”.
        Sorry, Flashdunce, but there is no greater Slavery than to be forced to give up one’s life involuntarily. No one person’s life is any less valuable than anybody else’s. Nobody has a right to force anybody to give up their life for anybody else. If you want to give up your life, great, I’m behind that choice 100%. But don’t volunteer mine.
        You can save your manipulation for somebody ignorant enough to fall for it.
        This country was founded on Individual Liberty. Advocating a Draft makes you the anti-American, Flashdunce.
        Leaders love to use citizens as cannon-fodder for their pet conquests. Only Ignorant people let them.

      • Flashy

        So DaveH…you don’t believe the people have a duty to this Nation? Note….you ignored the civilian aspect for those who did not desire a military stint. No surprise, you ignore the areas you have no Mises link to counter with.

        OK..you don’t believe a person has a duty to help the Nation. And you dare say I take an anti American stance for advocating training, a duty to nation, and a trained workforce for the young adults. Your problem eh?

      • TML

        “And you dare say I take an anti American stance for advocating training, a duty to nation, and a trained workforce for the young adults.”

        Not a problem at all until you want to force them to do so, merely because ‘you’ think it’s best for them. Yes, Flashy… forcing one against ones will is very anti-American

      • APN

        Flashpan said: “It would figure that DaveH would take the anti American stance that serving your country is viewed as slavery”

        The operative word flashy is “volunteer” for service and only a Marxist progressive would assume to have the power to make such a choice, as government mandated.

        I would think your comments are Anti-American, not DaveH’s. In fact, I think your comments smell like Socialism/Marxism and have zero to do with being an American.

      • w.Morgan

        Bryan, most people that talk about the military like you do, have probably never worn the uniform. Arm chair quarterbacks. Most people that want a return to the draft have never been in the military and are to old to be drafted. Thats why they talk about all of the peoples kids being involved instead of talking about themselves directly. They never think about themselves being the one drafted. Our military is the most educated in the world. All volumteer too. We aren’t blind robots following orders. Most of us are giving orders, at some level. We also take an oath to the constitution of the united states of america. How many civilians do that? Our military people are not un-american idiots. The oposite. Now if we can, let’s get to the topic of returning america to the constitution and being controlled by the people for the people.
        W. Morgan
        USMC
        God, Country and Corps
        Semper Fidelis

      • APN

        DaveH said: Leaders love to use citizens as cannon-fodder for their pet conquests. Only Ignorant people let them.

        Well said DaveH, most of these so called “Leaders” can’t do and would not do under any circumstance what they expect “us” to do for them. i.e.; Silly little COWARDS Time for us to strap an 80lb rucksack on their backs and boot their butts off the back of a C130 right square in the middle of a firefight. With no ammo! Especially these little Marxist-Feminist who assert their out of control power hungry ego’s through the blood of our children.

      • tony

        So Kab, if Islam is the religion of Lucifer, then seeing that Christianity also evolved from the Jewish teachings in the Old Testament, that would make all 3 religions tools of the devil. Believing that would make you denounce Allah, God the Father & his son, Jesus Christ which would make you…Lucifer… I’m just following your logic.

      • Vicki

        tony says:

        So Kab, if Islam is the religion of Lucifer, then seeing that Christianity also evolved from the Jewish teachings in the Old Testament, that would make all 3 religions tools of the devil. Believing that would make you denounce Allah, God the Father & his son, Jesus Christ which would make you…Lucifer… I’m just following your logic.

        You totally failed to follow his logic. He expressly said that

        “there’s always just enough truth wrapped in with the lies to make it seem plausible, i.e. the God of Abraham of the bible. From that point on, it’s all just lies and deception.”

        In which he pointed out where the break was between Islam and the other teachings.

      • DaveH

        Flashman is the Walter Mitty of the Personal Liberty Board. If push came to shove, he’d run off crying like a baby. He’s brave with other peoples’ lives, but he’s not even brave enough to be honest to the Readers of PL.

      • DaveH
      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        FF…The rabbit hole goes muuuuch deeper that the ability of even the mighty U.S. military. Especially with alot of the “cronies” posted at the Pentagram, I mean Pentagon. What we need is a covert mission to take out all of the heads of the families in one svelt swoop. (i.e. all the bank c.e.o.’s and up including and especially Goldman and the House of Rothschild and Henry the underboss Kissinger). Take away the money and you cut the head off of the serpent.
        Semper Fi…Carry on.
        @Flashy…While I don’t agree with your wanting to institute the draft, I understand your point. What you don’t understand is that we already have a draft system in place meant to condition and serve the machine. It’s called the public school system.

    • nc

      SC, it is truely scary how the interpretation and enforcement of the Constitution by the US Supreme Court for 230 years has lead to the millions of Americans being held in our “political prisons” and killed in the night by covert Federal forces! All of which has caused us to remain a third world country where people from other nations have no desire to come .!!!!!!!

      Can you really think of another country that has had it any better? Just because you are not the one who gets to say” what’s right” does not make the others wrong. Right??

      It appears that you and Mr. Livingston want to change the Constitution to nake it say what you think it should say but you do not want to use the method of change mandated by the Constitution. I hope, for the stability of our country, that saying “no” to the “law ” still has consequences! I was raised to respect the law, even the parts I disagreed with!

      • FreedomFighter

        Article [I.]
        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        Article [II.]
        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        Article [III.]
        No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

        Article [IV.]
        The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

        Article [V.]
        No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

        Article [VI.]
        In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

        Article [VII.]
        In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

        Article [VIII.]
        Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

        Article [IX.]
        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

        Article [X.]
        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

        Respect these

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You obviously have never read the Constitution. You may want to read it an really try to understand what it says, before blindly following laws that are not constitutional.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1729911816 David McCall

        Respect for the law is good, as long as the law is legal and constitutional. If the law is illegal or unconstitutional then it is incumbent upon all Americans to stand up and say NO.

      • eddie47d

        Considering that Santorum,Perry,Gingrich,Obama and Romney don’t follow the 10th you/we will all have your work cut out for you.

      • DaveH

        So NC, you expect us to believe that passing another Amendment, to address the fact that Government is ignoring the clauses that are already in the Constitution, will not be similarly ignored?
        Are you one of those people who told their kids “Don’t do that” a half-dozen times before you realized (if ever) that it doesn’t work?
        Here is the Constitution. It’s short, so even you could read it, NC, without much trouble:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/constitution_en.html

      • Sirian

        It’s both amazing and down right disgusting FF how often they overlook, conveniently, the basic Articles, isn’t it?

      • DaveH

        NC says “I hope, for the stability of our country, that saying “no” to the “law ” still has consequences!”.
        Yes, NC, that’s what we’re talking about — Government breaking the Law, the Main Law of the Land, the Constitution. As you said, there must be consequences.

      • DaveH

        They do that, Sirian, because the natural tendency for Leaders is to Grow their Power. They will ignore whatever rules we let them ignore in that quest for Power. Obviously they are feeling their oats these days. And they may be right — the time for Absolute Power may indeed be ripe.

      • http://gravatar.com/wandamurline wandamurline

        You need to get a copy of the Constitution….it is not hard to read and is very to the point. The government is tromping it every day, and we need to stop them.

      • TML

        nc says – “I hope, for the stability of our country, that saying “no” to the “law ” still has consequences! I was raised to respect the law, even the parts I disagreed with!”

        It seems Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you…

        “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

      • Elz

        I was raised to respect the law as well.But the people at that time who made the laws were god-fearing responsible people,not like the klutzes we have today. These people today are isolating themselves from reality with a paid-for-with-deficit army. The ball is bouncing back down now from endless spending…..when the feds quit subsidizing the states,and the states quit funding the local, and the locals want a raise, and you don’t have the loot to pay the higher taxes and the soldiers take your home while your job has been shipped overseas to people who work for peanuts…..then be sure you shake the soldier’s hand and assure him you our simply an idiotic child of the state……maybe they can use a barracks to put your family up, if you have the right “connections”. People who think like you leave nothing for the next generation but ever-higher insurmountable debts. You should immediately upon reading this. look into the mirror and acknowledge your failure to be an adult american. Quit being a small child seeking approval from a heinous dictator. Grow up.

      • http://gravatar.com/greenskeeper59 greenskeeper59Jeff

        From a former active duty Marine. When this country was founded, the Patriots “violated” and “disobeyed” the Kings laws and edicts. Had they not done so, you would not have an American flag today. In the military, it is the obligation of every member to refuse to obey unlawful orders. Now we’re in the position of making a personal judgement that may come back and vociferously bite us at a personal level. Scary stuff. The Gulf of Tonkin incident leading up to a build up of the Vietnam War was unlawful. The persons who consciously did not oppose this law, (see orders)same thing), should have been prosecuted up to the President. We have a Constitutional Republic not a monarchy that passes laws to achieve a political end. Lets not wring our hands concerning what is a lawful order. (see The Constitution). The “law” at one time said negros can’t drink from this fountain. The Thir4d Reich passed a lawtelling citizens they did not have to pay back loans to Jewish lenders. Your choice, right or wrong? In the 1800′s the Feds passed a law upheld by the Supreme Court, (UGH,) that stated every slave found in a Northern State had to be returned to his master. THE LAW said so. The folks of the day rightfully declared the 10th amendment forbid them from following this LAW. Sir, the law is an ass. You may think these examples are too obvious, they stand on their own. “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty”–Thomas Jefferson. “A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves”.

      • Mikeles

        I agree, NC. Take the list from the author of the column: Banning Health Care Mandates:
        It is now before the SCOTUS. We will have an answer and it will either remain in the law or it will not. Indefinite Detention: Couldn’t agree more. I don’t understand how the Patriot Act or the NDAA can be Constitutional, but until the SCOTUS tells us it’s not, it is. That is how the Constitution reads. Constitutional Money: Was it President Reagan who took us off the gold standard? It makes no difference who did, because no move has been made to put us back on, despite so many of us wishing we were. Why? Because the Constitution says that the Congress can make the laws and the SCOTUS can interpret them. To call for a revolution is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. We either respect it or we are traitors. I respect it.

      • mac

        Mikeles: No, it was NOT Reagan, it was Nixon who took us off the gold standard around 1973; and I thought that was wrong at that time, but he didn’t listen to me – LOL/ha ha. Almost immediately OPEC started raising the price of oil and we had petroleum shortages – actual shortages, lines at the gas pumps – which started the current inflation spiral.

      • Vicki

        NC writes:

        I hope, for the stability of our country, that saying “no” to the “law ” still has consequences! I was raised to respect the law, even the parts I disagreed with!

        Since an unconstitutional law is null and void from its inception it is our DUTY to determine and resist law that isn’t. The supreme court is the judicial vehicle that validates our position.

        http://constitution.org/uslaw/16amjur2nd.htm

    • Flashy

      The Tenthers? Oy vej.

      this one will be short lived, for three reasons.

      First…it will be a symbol and rallying point for those on the fringe of the spectrum. You know the ones, the ones controlled and led around by the nose under the TP Triliogy of fear, anger and ignorance. As such, it will be viewed, rightly so, as a cause for those with one foot inside the door of the asylum. The ones who tell of FEMA camps and black helicopters and the UN taking guns, etc etc. The groups that have a very slim hold on reality.

      Second…read the Commerce Clause and the SCOTUS decisions interpreting that clause and how it works to create a unified system of commerce throughout the union. Go ahead and explain how a hodepdoge enforcement of something as the Health Care Reform legislation will work if one state is taken over by extremists and says ‘no”, but right across the border the neighboring state says ‘yes”.

      Third…there is a minor matter which settled the ranking of state powers and the role it has in our federal system, it’s often referred to as The Civil War. You know…where the federal system was established within the confines of the Constitution, and it was decided that there is an umbrella covering all citizens and territories where everyone enjoys the same basic Rights and Privileges. Toss in the 14th and how it protects the citizenry from a state run amok by small groups of extremists and perhaps even the 9th (read the decisions by Justice Douglas for comments on the 9th and the mystery it holds.)

      And don’t try the “plain reading” crap. You guys aren’t able to state how many Rights are specifically mentioned in the Constitution, have no concept of the decisions of the SCOTUS in applying the Constitution to a changing modern society, and who are attepmpting to appply simplistic unreasonable interpretations which few agree, basing it on a 19th century agragrian society, and insisting what ever you say is correct. When it ain’t.

      As long as it doesn’t affect you, burdens others which you don’t like, you’re fine with it. But apply the same rules to you and you’ll scream …

      Do everyone in this nation a favor. Take the anti-American views you espouse, take your screaming and lack of proposing viable workable solutions, take your isolationist insistence and overall want to promote divisiveness…and sit in a corner and let Americans re-build what you have allowed over the past 30 years to be destroyed.

      • FreedomFighter

        Liberal Psycho-babble.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • skeeve

        flashy, you may be right about such a movement attracting a fair amount of sillyness, along with some very serious people. but you need to answer a question about government run amok. when the supreme court asked “define me some power which you consider NOT (emphasis mine) covered by the interstate commerce clause?” our government agencies were completely silent.

        burgeoning dictatorship anyone?

        you may, or may not, be correct in that this approach may not work, but there is no question that something needs to be done.

      • s c

        So, f, you finally resorted to a ghostwriter. You just aren’t your ‘normal,’ estrogen-laced self today. Doesn’t the cost of borrowing ideas eat into your daily shill checks? Why, if you moved to Chicago, you could be an instant community organizer (as long as the ghostwriter goes with you, that is, comrade).

      • Flashy

        SC…no ghostwriter. Just knowledge, common sense and a grip on reality…all which are sorely lacking in many of the posters on this site and who they represent.

        Don’t you find it telling that folks who insist they “know” what the Constitution states…can’t recite the number of specific rights in the Consitution as Amended? Or they cite the 9th and it’s statement of penumbra as providing what the 14th does, and insist that the Civil War and all it settled…actually didn’t ?

        Or…here’s a good one…cite some vague label as “the Founders” who they insist intended some whacked out view and interpretation…yet don’t realize there were literally hundreds of “founders” all having differing views and opinions. Want to look foolish, go ahead and cite “the Founders” as support for one of the wacked out interpretations …

        Jeesh …

      • http://gravatar.com/greenskeeper59 greenskeeper59Jeff

        You claim that the last 30 yrs this country was destroyed. I assume you are referencing Republicans. Consider this an “illumination moment”. This country has been being destroyed for the last 120 yrs. See Roosevelt (D), Roosevelt (R). This country is being destroyed by the Progressives in both parties. To think the blame lies with one party or the other is willful ignorance. Right up there with “my home team” is better than “your home team”. Very sophmoric outlook. Rah rah. Reality check: Both parties are responsible for the demise of this country as we look back fondly on what no longer exist. Just 2 examples: Boehner, Pelosi. By choosing a team in the establishment (2 party rule), that runs this country, you sir, (this is not a critique but observation), have been manipulated and co-opted into rooting for the government team and are now rooting against we the people. We are a people with a government, not a government with a people. Please reconsider where your passions are spent.

      • DaveH

        Flashman lays his usual equivocation on us.
        The Commerce Clause was instituted to give the Federal Government the Power to make trade between the States “regular” (thus the term regulate). That is, to keep the States from protecting their in-State companies from competition with tariffs, quotas, taxes, etc. If we believe the Liberal/Progressive lie about the Commerce Clause, then there is absolutely no reason for any of the other Enumerated Powers, because everything we do in our daily lives involves some sort of Commerce:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dwrAFXEEN8

      • Flashy

        DaveH, you’ve shown you can paste. Good for you!

        Now, how does one state refusing to enforce a federal health care law not violate the Commerce Clause…

        How does one state refusing to enforce a federal health care law not violate the 14th Amendment Rights?

        Oh oh ..it requires thought. Maybe Mises has something with a catchy title and it’ll make you sound important

      • TML

        “First…it will be a symbol and rallying point for those on the fringe of the spectrum. You know the ones, the ones controlled and led around by the nose under the TP Triliogy of fear, anger and ignorance. As such, it will be viewed, rightly so, as a cause for those with one foot inside the door of the asylum. The ones who tell of FEMA camps and black helicopters and the UN taking guns, etc etc. The groups that have a very slim hold on reality.”

        Only simplistic minds use labels…
        Those who believe the 10th Amendment be followed, are NOT, by default, “those on the fringe of the spectrum”, “controlled or led by the nose under a TP trilogy”, “those with one foot inside the door of the asylum”, or citizens paranoid of DEA ninjas hiding in their attic.

        “Second…read the Commerce Clause and the SCOTUS decisions interpreting that clause and how it works to create a unified system of commerce throughout the union. Go ahead and explain how a hodepdoge enforcement of something as the Health Care Reform legislation will work if one state is taken over by extremists and says ‘no”, but right across the border the neighboring state says ‘yes”. “

        Forcing one to purchase or supply fund for a product or service he/she doesn’t want or need is tyrannical. Why explain how enforcement of Health Care legislation will work, if it is morally detrimental to not allow it to work?

        “Third…there is a minor matter which settled the ranking of state powers and the role it has in our federal system, it’s often referred to as The Civil War.”

        Such things are not settle by the barrel of a gun. The only thing that was settled is that the Federal government usurped State powers protected under the 10th Amendment, and subjugated them under central governmental control unconstitutionally. The ‘decisions’ afforded by the victors, who usurped those rights to begin with, are meaningless.

        It’s not rocket science, or twisting a definition… secession is not even mentioned in the Constitution; not even how a state ‘could’ secede (no provisions), therefore secession is not a power delegated to the United States by the Constitution, and therefore reserved to the States or to the people.

        “…have no concept of the decisions of the SCOTUS in applying the Constitution to a changing modern society, and who are attepmpting to appply simplistic unreasonable interpretations which few agree, basing it on a 19th century agragrian society, and insisting what ever you say is correct. When it ain’t.”

        Applying the Constitution to a changing modern society is not the problem… the problem is using such claim of a changing modern society to usurp certain freedoms, rights, State powers, checks/balances, and protections against federal abuse of power, engrained in the text of a wise and experienced 19th century agrarian society. The ‘changing modern society’ argument does not mean that you can change the interpretations of the Constitution, to insist that whatever you say is correct. As you would accuse others of doing… you have done yourself.

        “Do everyone in this nation a favor. Take the anti-American views you espouse”

        Honestly, you seem to be more anti-American in your statements here than most other people I’ve seen here.

        “sit in a corner and let Americans re-build what you have allowed over the past 30 years to be destroyed.”

        The real Americans are trying to re-build what you have allowed to be destroyed over the past 150 years. You are having delusions of grandeur, and a false sense of patriotism.

      • Emoke

        Hi Flashy,

        You are referring to instances where the Federal Government overstepped its bounds as cases that settled Federalism. They certainly where not in the bounds of the constitution. The Civil War was a power grab. It had nothing to do with freeing slaves at the outset. The freeing of slaves was a ploy to cripple the southern states. By the by, the northern state all had slaves that just a few years prior the Civil War states freed on a state by state basis. The same would have happened in the south as it had in the north and all across the other countries in the world. Keeping slaves was not economically feasible with the industrial revolution. Lincoln and his cohorts wanted to ship all the “freed slaves” out of the country so they would not get in their way. Check out the history of Liberia.

        Just because the Federal Government got away with a power grab does not mean that we are to bow to them again and again. I believe we need to get involved and change back some of the “settled law”. It should not be settled at all when it is contrary to the constitution.

        Similarly the SCOTUS is only intended to rule on Federal matters never on State matters. Federal matters are the deliniated ones and any arguments between states. The states are meant to be different. If an individual does not like the laws of its state they are free to move about the country or change them. You see this happening now and it would be a lot more prevelant if the states actually said no to more of the unconstitutional federal laws.

        The constitution is in plain language so that we can understand it. We don’t need any overeducated lawyers to tell us what “is” is.

      • TML

        “Now, how does one state refusing to enforce a federal health care law not violate the Commerce Clause… “

        “How does one state refusing to enforce a federal health care law not violate the 14th Amendment Rights?”

        You are the one making the claims… how about you tell us how you think a state refusing to enforce a federal health care law violates the Commerce Clause, and how it violates the 14th Amendment.

        14th Amendment – “…No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

        I see no violation of these rights for a state to refuse federally forced Healthcare legislation.

        And the Commerce clause is to allow the Federal Government to regulate commerce between states, not force it upon them.

      • kkflash

        F, if anyone’s veiws are “whacked out” its yours. You cite constitutional amendments that you think prove your point, when in fact they do just the opposite. The 14th doesn’t give power to the Federal government to pass unconstitutional legislation that override laws passed by the states. The 14th specifically protects the “citizens”, not the states. It prevents the states from abridging the rights of individuals, just as the 10th prevents the Federal government from countermanding the rights reserved for the states and the people. The 14th is about keeping state governments in check, just as the 10th is about keeping the Feds in check. It’s about smaller, less-intrusive government at all levels, you schmuck.

      • http://acc2hoyle Meta

        Your unbelief in the evils of government (any government) grown too big is startling, scary, and almost unbelievable. READ HISTORY it is replete with atrocities and they can all be traced back to government doing it or sanctioning it. Much as you see with the OWS’s today. Notice how they are allowed all kinds of criminal actions with little, if any, consequences and at the same time, the neat, orderly, clean, noncriminal Tea Party and their demonstrations were denigrated and lied about all over the lamestreet media as well as the President himself.

        Further, the criminal illegals are not deported immediately; sometimes not at all even after killing or hurting a citizen of the U.S.

        The DOJ will not prosecute the blatant intimidation tactics of the black panthers outside of a voting site in Philadelphia and further we are then told of the policy to prosecute white on black crimes but not the other way around. That of course, includes all colors vs. white.

        I could go on and on but I have a feeling that wherever you went to school there was a good inculcation policy going on so it would fall on deaf and unknowing ears.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “DaveH, you’ve shown you can paste. Good for you!”.

        Yep. Here’s an example of Flashman’s immorality and twisted behavior:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/25/your-choice-ron-paul-or-a-wheelbarrow/#comment-716115
        Summary:
        Flashman pretends to have great knowledge about long-distance shooting. His comment is full of ignorant mistakes that any Physics major and/or Geometer could easily spot. But as it turns out the comments weren’t even his. He Plagiarized from an obscure article on the web whose female researcher got her information — not from any real long-distance Snipers , but from some guys at a local gun club. I can only guess what was going on with those guys:
        1) They were the all-too-common type of shooters who love to pretend they know things that they don’t really (kind of like Flashman). Or,
        2) They were just pulling her chain purposely to get her goat.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        DaveH, you’ve shown you can paste. Good for you!

        A skill that flashy has yet to demonstrate.

        Now, how does one state refusing to enforce a federal health care law not violate the Commerce Clause…

        Since Obamacare is not a federal healthcare law (it is a forced INSURANCE plan) your question has no meaning. Having a state refuse to allow its citizens to be forced to buy a product they do not want is a logical resistance to overreach of the Commerce Clause which was never intended to force people to buy a product or service. Crony Capitalism would love such an interpretation of the commerce clause though.

        How does one state refusing to enforce a federal health care law not violate the 14th Amendment Rights?

        Since Obamacare is not a federal healthcare law (it is a forced INSURANCE plan) your question still has no meaning.

        Rights? What rights? I only found the word right (rights) in section 2 discussing the right to vote. Did you perhaps confuse “privileges or immunities” with rights?
        http://www.law.northwestern.edu/lawreview/v105/n1/61/LR105n1Hamburger.pdf

        Note that privileges or immunities are revokable. Rights are not.

        Oh oh ..it requires thought.

        Indeed. Flashy should try it sometime. (<- just returning the favor)

    • John

      And still, with everyone charging ahead like a bull in the arena, there is the danger that some people will misuse the process and we will end up with even more problems then before.

  • Vicki

    One rather important element of the 10th amendment is that it is a States Powers Amendment and not a States Rights Amendment. The 9th Amendment discusses rights and they ALL belong to The People.

    States are government and thus have no rights. Only powers. Same as the Federal Government. They have only powers and a very short list at that.

    Thus governments can only have such powers as The People delegate to each government. Our Constitution and the constitutions of each state describe those powers and also powers that we are NOT allowed to delegate to government even if we wanted to.

    • Edward H Martin

      Yes, I agree Vicki. A legitimate government is one that is selected freely by the citizens it “governs”. Such a government has only two tasks, the first is to provide a “level” playing field for ALL of its citizens, everyone must be given equal opportunity. What individuals DO with that opportunity is the individuals concern and they must be permitted to experience the natural result of their choices. The second task is to protect that “playing” field from enemies either foreign or domestic. Government has no business in private choices about ourselves and our bodies. It is in trying to control those choices that we have gotten into such a terrible place with our economy.

      • DaveH

        Government has only a few legitimate roles, the main ones being to protect us from Force, and to protect us from Fraud. Unfortunately it has now become the Forcers and the Frauds.

      • DaveH

        Judge Napolitano’s Campaign for Liberty speech:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI02uKQ8baw

      • FreedomFighter

        Yes Dave, they are shutting it all down, next comes, full spectrum dominaiton of the American people, war propaganda, military build up, WWIII.

        I just hope the Russians and Chinese reds, find out where these Elite Banksters an other Luciferians have the bunkers and underground retreats and waste a few nukes just on them. Do the world a favor Russia China takem out.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • Flashy

      Vicki…you state “The 9th Amendment discusses rights and they ALL belong to The People.”

      Ummm…here is what the 9th states…”The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

      Where does that state what you are saying. You’re much closer if you cited the 14th with the Due Process and Equal Protection.

      the 9th does not even come close to what you state it does.

      • DaveH

        Because you say so, Flashman?
        I agree with Vicki.

      • DaveH

        From the below-linked article:
        “Despite the Federalist Papers, most New Yorkers, North Carolinians, Virginians, and Rhode Islanders agreed to ratify the Constitution only if the document was amended to include a list of undeniable rights and liberties of the people”.
        http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/constitution/section3.rhtml

      • Flashy

        Got a source for that DaveH? LOL…the mass of a small dust speck carries more weight than you. You don’t count, never have, never will. Have a nice day.

      • DaveH

        Flashman (or Dave67), you have no credibility on this board. Your adolescent manipulative techniques don’t work on intelligent people. Take your useless behavior to a place where emotional manipulative techniques rule the day — like DailyKos.

      • Flashy

        DaveH … what Right does the 9th state we have?

      • kkflash

        For God’s sake Flashy, give it up. You can’t even read and understand your own citations. What do you think “retained by the people” means at the end of the 9th? No, strike that question. I don’t want to hear what you think it means. It means ALL the rights not specifically listed in the Constitution as belonging to the people, still belong to the people. That means individual rights, not government powers which must be expressly delegated to government by the Constitution or they don’t exist. How does the idea of the restriction of government powers and activities continue to escape you, when it is mentioned in the Constitution multiple times?

      • TML

        “What Right does the 9th state we have?”

        I find it very interesting that you, of all people, are asking that question.

        9th Amendment – “The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

        This means that the rights of the people and the States are many and indefinite, while the powers delegated to the Federal government by the Constitution are few and limited. It was added to assure that Article 1 Section 8 not be construed to expand the powers of government to violate rights not mentioned in the Constitution, and to state that rights within the Bill of Rights are not “granted”.

        So with your idea of a state violating the 14th Amendment by refusing federal healthcare legislation, and also claiming that the Confederate states had no right to secede, is destroyed in the face of the very amendment you ask others to recite.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Flashy says “what Right does the 9th state we have?” Oh, that question again…what right specifically? To understand the meaning one must search for an answer and the Supreme Court has addressed that in griswold v. connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 85 S. Ct. 1678, 14 L. Ed. 2d 510 (1965).

        In Griswold the Supreme Court was asked to review the constitutionality of a Connecticut law that banned adult residents from using Birth Control and prohibited anyone from assisting others to violate this law. In the majority opinion, Justice william o. douglas, writing for the Court, rejected the notion that the judiciary is obligated to enforce only those rights that are expressly enumerated in the Constitution. On several occasions in the past, Douglas wrote, the Court has recognized rights that cannot not be found in the written language of the Constitution.

        Only briefly discussed in Douglas’s majority opinion, the Ninth Amendment was the centerpiece of Justice arthur goldberg’s concurring opinion. The language and history of the Ninth Amendment, Goldberg wrote, demonstrate that the Framers of the Constitution intended the judiciary to protect certain unwritten liberties with the same zeal that courts must protect those liberties expressly referenced in the Bill of Rights. The Ninth Amendment, Goldberg emphasized, reflects the Framers’ original understanding that “other fundamental personal rights should not be denied protection simply because they are not specifically listed” in the Constitution.

        The Ninth Amendment does not enunciate any substantive rights. Instead the amendment serves to protect other fundamental liberties that are implicit, though not mentioned, in the Bill of Rights (Rothner v. City of Chicago, 725 F. Supp. 945 [N.D. Ill. 1989]).
        http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/9th+Amendment

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Oh Flashy, forgot to mention…give it up…you’ve zero credibility here and your Alinskyesque techniques would serve you better at blogs like LiberalOasis.com or Mother Jones where you would at least have a consensus in agreement.

        By the way, that little bell on your collar has a very distinctive ring to it albeit a bit annoying.

      • Flashy

        KKF..exactly. It doesn’t give specific rights. It hints there are more Rights than specificied in the Constitution. The question is …as Douglas often spoke about … is what those rights are and how strong are they from being limited?

        It doesn’t give the states anything. The 14th does. It says everyone is to be treated equal under the law. For the federal government, that means the federal liberties and freedoms are above any right of the state to restrict. It means, federal law prevails in any clash with state law.

        the 10th says…what the federal gvernment chooses not to use a government power given by the Constitution, as long as the overall federal system is recognized and not violated, you the state can take that power and do more or give more with it.

        That’s it. It does not give, nor was it ever intended to give, states more power or a say over, the federal government. The strong state say in the federal government was specifically rejected as unworkable when they recgnized the need for the Constitution and tossing the Articles of Confederation into the circular file.

      • Flashy

        For the other comments….you are making my point. What rights and liberties does the 9th protect? Which is the centerpiece of the 9th. WE DO NOT KNOW AND WON’T KNOW UNTIL THE SCOTUS SAY ” that’s one of them”.

        Vicki was the one who applied the 9th to the states…not I. I stated the 9th has nothing to do with state issues. You guys should not be so hasty to try and kill the truth … you’ll make errors of reason and judgment as you are amply demonstrating

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Flashy…to flip the coin please tell us what rights and liberties the 9th does not protect?

        The Ninth Amendment reaffirms in broad terms rights “retained by the people.”

        The Ninth Amendment is paired with an almost equally forgotten provision, the Privileges or Immunities Clause (P or I Clause) of the Fourteenth Amendment, which draws from the same intellectual roots. The Ninth Amendment is like the rest of the original Bill of Rights: it speaks only to limits on federal power rather than to the powers of state governments. Limitations on state governments came along later, with the post-Civil War Fourteenth Amendment. Thus, the Ninth Amendment addresses the federal government; the Fourteenth addresses the states.

      • sniffer

        The Ninth guarantees that your right to run your mouth & pitch a tent on your property doesn’t violate my IV Rights to be secure in person, home, papers, and effects; or any other Rights including due process, civil suit, jury trial, etc… The global banking empire freely violates just about every so called “Civil Right”, blatatantly, arm & arm with the FTC, justice department, and the federal court system. There is a train load of “sorry decisis” laid down by corrupted judges that will squash any citizen who dares challenge the global financial.empire! The 9th is the most trampled Right of all. The 9thn says there is no right to “OCCUPY” property (etc.) that belongs to someone else, without permission of the OWNER! Petitioning doesn’t mean possess (occupy)!

      • sniffer

        PS Article VI (Constitutioon) clauses 2 & 3 establishes the Constitution, as (clearly) written, as the supreme law of the land – to be upheld and enforced by all officers and judges, etc. of the land… period. Want it changed?…. pass an Amendment! Any to the contrary need to be immediately impeached, maybe even tried for treason!

      • kkflash

        Sniffer, Article VI seems to imply that federal laws always trump state laws, but VI also says “and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof”. To me, this last clause says that federal laws that follow the Constitution may not be superseded by contrary state laws. But what about federal laws that violate the Constitution? If a federal law (such as Obamacare) violates constitutional rights of individuals, then that law is NOT “in Pursuance thereof”. In that case, I believe states’ rights, which are reserved to each of them by the 10th amendment, would supersede the federal law. I believe this argument is the basis for states such as Ohio passing legislation that contradicts Obamacare in order to force the SCOTUS to decide.

      • Vicki

        Flashy writes:

        what Right does the 9th state we have?

        It obviously says we have ALL rights. It says so in 2 parts. Part 1 references the rights enumerated above itself in the Bill of RIGHTS. It then reminds us in part 2 that there are way too many rights to mention but that they are ALL to be protected.

        Our forefathers could not have imagined a populace so ignorant (or stupid) as to not be able to read a simple sentence in the language of the land. (<- evil ad hominem attack. I'm so bad :) )

        Notice above I said protected. Not granted. The Constitution grants NO rights to anyone. It is a specific list of limitations on what powers we can delegate to the Federal government. It is ALSO (see 10th amendment) a list of limitations on the states and was so from before the 14th amendment.

        PEOPLE have rights and powers. Governments (at ANY level) have ONLY the powers the people choose to delegate to their government.

        Our forefathers wisely included a list of powers that we are NOT allowed to delegate to our government at any level. Those powers are most often seen as the powers that states are NOT allowed to have (coining money) but include powers that would infringe on the rights explicitly listed in the Bill of Rights. Thus while the first amendment clearly only restricts the federal government, the 14th amendment extends those restrictions to the state governments. All the rest of the amendments clearly restrict governments at all levels (with or without the 14th amendment)

        The whole of the Constitution becomes much clearer and less ambiguous when you realize that it is a contract to create LIMITED government and not to grant rights and powers to people.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        For the other comments….you are making my point. What rights and liberties does the 9th protect? Which is the centerpiece of the 9th. WE DO NOT KNOW AND WON’T KNOW UNTIL THE SCOTUS SAY ” that’s one of them”.

        SCOTUS has NO say on what our rights are. SCOTUS is there to help determine if teh government has stepped out of its bounds.

        Vicki was the one who applied the 9th to the states…not I. I stated the 9th has nothing to do with state issues.

        I re-read my post and the only ref to the 9th was

        “The 9th Amendment discusses rights and they ALL belong to The People.”

        Since before you were flashy I have pointed out that the 9th is the rights and applies to people. The 10th is POWERS and applies to the states AND people. It is VERY unlikely that I would have applied the 9th to the states. States are government and have NO rights.

      • TML

        “the 10th says…what the federal gvernment chooses not to use a government power given by the Constitution, as long as the overall federal system is recognized and not violated, you the state can take that power and do more or give more with it. That’s it. It does not give, nor was it ever intended to give, states more power or a say over, the federal government.”

        That is quite a stretch to construe the constitution to expand the powers of central government. The 10th Amendment does not say, “what the Federal government chooses not to use” it says, “powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution are reserved for the States or to the people”. This means, the states and the people do have more say and more power than Federal government concerning the powers ‘not’ delegated to the United States. That would include any and all rights which are violated by federal law, construed and legislated to expand the powers of federal government.

      • Flashy

        Jeep —> “Flashy…to flip the coin please tell us what rights and liberties the 9th does not protect?”

        Good question Jeep. Douglas took the position, and I agree with Douglas, that we haven’t figured that out yet. No one has asserted any “right” with the 9th protects. Douglas did write that every word in the Consitution has a meaning…and the 9th must have power and meaning…but as to what it does cover, that is yet undiscovered.

        For me, a civilized society should guarantee its citizenry basic fundementals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A roof over their heads, food on the table, and good health falls under ‘life”. Liberty is just that. And Pursuit of Happiness means to me, where the government acts as a “referee’ of sorts to ensure one group or class does not become overly strong to exert dominance and control to the saxcrifice of the others…in other words, a large degree of mobility between the classes must exist.

        How’s that grab ya?

        And Vicki? What you wrote is parellel to what i wrote several times in the past. The Constitution states what power the People will alolow it, in theory governmet has no power except that given. Whereas a document which on its face appears more ‘libertarian’…the USSR Constitution, takes the other view…that the People have what government allows.

      • Vicki

        Flashy writes about his utopia:

        For me, a civilized society should guarantee its citizenry basic fundementals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A roof over their heads, food on the table, and good health falls under ‘life”.

        How is your society going to guarantee a roof over the heads of all your citizens?

        How is your society going to guarantee food on the table?

        How is your society going to guarantee good health?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Pay attention Flashy…Jeep?

        You say: “For me, a civilized society should guarantee its citizenry basic fundementals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A roof over their heads, food on the table, and good health falls under ‘life”. Liberty is just that. And Pursuit of Happiness means to me, where the government acts as a “referee’ of sorts to ensure one group or class does not become overly strong to exert dominance and control to the saxcrifice of the others…in other words, a large degree of mobility between the classes must exist.

        How’s that grab ya? _________________

        That’s the problem…what it means to you is just an opinion and nothing more. The government isn’t a”referee of sorts”…it’s role is clearly outlined in the Constitution.

        The Feds are not allowed to handle any issues not explicitly listed in the Constitution; their prerogatives are limited to what the Constitution explicitly states. The Constitution clearly says that the Feds’ role is only to provide for the common defense, manage foreign relations, protect citizens’ constitutional rights, establish federal courts; apply and explain federal law (in the judiciary’s case); and a few other minor issues. No branch of the Federal Government is authorized to handle any other issues. So the federal establishment should be strictly limited to these tasks; all others should be reassigned to the states, local governments, and individual Americans.

        In 1794, when the Congress considered whether to appropriate $15,000 (a paltry amount even if adjusted for inflation) to French refugees (fleeing a Jacobin-governed country where innocent people were being slaughtered), Congressman James Madison, the author of the Constitution and the first 10 Amendments, voted against that appropriation, saying that he “could not undertake to lay [his] finger on that article in the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. And if they once broke the line laid down before them, for the direction of their conduct, it was impossible to say to what lengths they might go, or to what extremities this practice might be carried.”
        http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/05/the-constitutional-role-of-the-federal-government.html
        The federal government has continued this trend to troubling extremities, indeed. And it has a big annual budget deficit exactly because it has grown inexorably, meddling with affairs not assigned to it by the Constitution.

        Ronald Reagan said during his First Inaugural Address: “We are a nation that has a government, not the other way around. Our government has no power except that granted by the people, and this makes us special among the nations of the Earth.” Indeed!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vicki :) says to Flashy:

        How is your society going to guarantee a roof over the heads of all your citizens?

        How is your society going to guarantee food on the table?

        How is your society going to guarantee good health?

        That ones easy…they can’t… but they’re trying…by force and theft. :)

    • http://gravatar.com/greenskeeper59 greenskeeper59Jeff

      Hi Vicki. In referencing the 10th amendment you’ve probably heard ad nauseum that belief in the 10th amendment equals belief in slavery. Whoopie Goldberg, Sen. Boxer, Feinstein, Reed and company always use this to justify centralized government. Actual history tells another story. In the day, the “Supreme Court” “ruled” that any slave captured in the North must be returned by law to the owner. Thats right, it was the “law of the land”. The feds went into Wisconsin and Illionois to take runaway slaves back to their masters. The local governments and people laid claim that the law was not enforceable because it overstepped the Constitutional authority PERMITTED to the Fed. The peoples and their State government laid lawful claim to the 10th amendment and recaptured the slaves from the Fed gov. Yes, at gun point. We’ve all been denied a great education concerning our constitutional rights as individuals first and local governments second, by the Fed Gov education system that intentionally withheld this information from us and our children so as to keep us from questioning their grip on our lives. Instead, we are taught in gov schools anything referencing individual rights and soverienty to be extreme right-wingers, malcontents, even now, traitorous. So sad.

  • JustAnotherJoe10

    The word “No” is something every child knows all-too-well, and learns how to say early on. We need to do the same with the Feds, tell them ”no”, and send them to the corner to think long and hard about the fact that there might be a few, spine-filled Americans out there willing to tell them what they are way overdue for hearing. That is, no!!!!

  • Sirian

    Oklahoma is following suit to what Tennessee is doing in relation to the NDAA!!

  • TIME

    YADA, YADA, YADA, Rather than all the Rhetoric, Google this youtube feed,
    THE SEASON OF TREASON, This explain’s everything in simple terms for the simple minded.
    After you watch this very well done feed then tell me all about the 10th Amendment and what you can do.

    But to make it all super clear also GOOGLE; All of, Bill Foust youtube feeds.
    Than again tell me all about the 10th Amendment.
    If you so like it slower than Bill’s style then try, Winston Shroud he goes so slow that you can watch paint dry, but he says all the same things as Bill, and shows all the same Doucments to sustain everything he says.
    BTW – the Doucments are from your Board of Directors and CEO’s. from 1860 on.

    Also you may all wish to Google all of: John Taylor Gatto youtube feeds.
    Again then tell me all about the 10th Amendment, hell even tell me all about why schools are worthless. As well you can even tell us all about why we are in the state we are.

    So have at it, if you can disprove any of what is said in any one of the above persons youtube feeds I am all ears.
    But, as I found you can’t make the TRUTH anything but what it is.

    If you can infact understand what is being said by any of them, then you will know that the 10th Amendment is not going to get you anything.

    FIX the Flat tire and stop running in circles.

    • FreedomFighter

      THE SEASON OF TREASON

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LxY_H5V0Kw

      Here is the link.

      Use “Startpage Search Engine” Google is not your friend.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • TIME

      Also you all may wish to look in on Red Ice Creations.com as they have a really Great Artical called; ” Psychopaths and the Multicultural Myth”

      Lets see if my eyes are open yet this link may work or not;

      http://redicecreations.com/article.ph?id=18611

      Know what your foe is like or they will run you into the ground.

      FF, Thank you for posting the link to Kurts youtube feed, Kurt really pulls off a very strong presentation, we do a like type, but its more in the line of Billy Foust style with two computers posting the doucments behind us nice and large, one with the US Inc Doc’s and the other with Blacks Law terms and meanings of the words used with in them.
      JFTR- I learned from Jesuit’s so I can argue both sides – BUT – the facts are that TRUTH needs no argument as it stands on its own Merit.
      Thus we use the Ocam’s Razor factor

  • tim

    The state of nevada doesn’t have the smarts or the balls to rebel against the feds. Too many wannabee future politicians! In fact, I would be surprised if they even knew what the 10th amendment was.

  • s. steinberg

    So, the REAL ID ACT is still valid? Doesn’t that mean that even if it isn’t being employed currently, it CAN be employed whenever the Federal Government — or a crruent U.S. President (or person acting in that capacity) — chooses to put it into operation?

    And isn’t that also a direct parallel to Obama’s SIGNING INTO LAW the NDAA — including its “military detention of civilians” provisions — with Obama simply saying that he chooses AT THIS MOMENT to not employ those particular provisions EVEN THOUGH he has now SIGNED THEM INTO LAW?

    So please tell us: Although the move by mavrious individual states to BLOCK — but only within their borders — implementation of those portions of the NDAA and, perhaps, REAL ID, why is there no nationwide outcry and demand to the U.S. CONGRESS to REPEAL these particular anti-constitutional measures? And is resistence by individual states ENOUGH to fully — or at all invalidate these Federal authorizations?

    Plus, even if some, or even all, the individual states pass legislation that somehow blocks those measures from operating within those states, wouldn’t the Federal authorization still apply — perrhaps via the Interstate Commerce clause — to every person (or transaction) that crosses state-boundaries?

    • John

      Because once everything is on the book, and ready to go even though it is not enforced, future congress will find a way to declare the states clauses and constitutional additions invalid and with one swoop all the hundreds of items will be implemented. Simple isn’t it? By then, 99% of the people will be drugged and docile sheep depending of the pharmaceutical industry to survive. In the future, the most powerful corporations in this world will be Monsanto and whoever wins the race in pharmaceuticals… It may by then be the same corporation…. and the rest of the people will be existing to support the few on the top.

  • s. steinberg

    (S. STEINBERG HERE, re-posting but with typo-corrections:)

    1. So, the REAL ID ACT is still valid? Doesn’t that mean that even if it isn’t being employed currently, it CAN be employed whenever the Federal Government — or a current U.S. President (or person acting in that capacity) — chooses to put it into operation?
    2.
    And isn’t that also a direct parallel to Obama’s SIGNING INTO LAW the NDAA — including its “military detention of civilians” provisions — with Obama simply saying that he chooses AT THIS MOMENT to not employ those particular provisions EVEN THOUGH he has now SIGNED THEM INTO LAW?

    So please tell us: Although the move by various individual states to BLOCK — but only within their borders — implementation of those portions of the NDAA and, perhaps, REAL ID, why is there no nationwide outcry and demand to the U.S. CONGRESS to REPEAL these particular anti-Constitutional measures? And is resistance by individual states ENOUGH to fully — or at all — invalidate these Federal authorizations?

    Plus, even if some, or even all, the individual states pass legislation that somehow blocks those measures from operating within those states, wouldn’t the Federal authorization still apply — perhaps via the U.S. Constitution’s Interstate Commerce clause — to every person (or transaction) that crosses state-boundaries?

    • JRM

      Obama is bringing home the troops. To the naked eye, it makes him look good. The truth is, tho he isn’t ready to use the new law, just wait and see what happens if he gets re-elected. The real reason for bringing home the troops is to use them right here on American soil against us common folks and take military control of us. There will be a war for sure, another civil war if that happens. That’s the real reason and the truth why he’s bringing home our military. First he got the laws in place, now he will have the means to forecibly encroach on our liberties and democracy will fall and then, Obama will be the King who cannot be voted out. Open your eyes People…… Take off your rose colored glasses and see what’s happening and why…

      • eddie47d

        All wars come to an end at least physically so maybe you are the one who needs a new pair of glasses. Now if there aren’t jobs out there for returning veterans that could be a larger problem and unhappy or unemployed veterans are not fond of government. Those veterans may join some government action out of desperation but more than likely they would turn against the government.

      • John

        Paranoid much?

        I.M.H.O., the time is not ripe for the federal government to fully enslave the American people… it will take another generation or two. It will not happen under Obama. too many old timers that remember the “”good ole times”" are still around and they are fit and fisty.
        In a couple of generations of course when the people that live remember nothing but the current governments ideology (as pushed by both parties) conservatives will be a small minority. Already today conservatives are considered cooks, just wait another 50-100 years and today’s progressives will be considered the conservatives…. All this I fear will happen unless a total collapse or world wide event turns back the clock…something the elite is NOT permitting to happen. And if today’s conservatives would rise up and try to overthrow the government…well, they will say thank you because they just saved them years on implementing their plan.
        So, whats the solution? its simple, education… do what India did, have a peaceful revolution, a revolution with real education NOT colored by idealism and rhetoric… and thus make sure that there always be a lot more conservatives around. And for this we need a cool head, name calling, Birther claims or other equally minor nonsense will NOT win over the average citizen…. The average citizen looks at people that proclaim we are nothing but a private corporation and birthers as if they are nuts…and frankly i don’t blame them. After all, those claims are so far out for the average citizen that they rather call you a loon and walk away then try to learn anything.

  • JRM

    A much easier way to resolve all this is to remember, the federal government was formed to serve the people, by the people, not the other way around. People need to take a stand and say NO and disband the federal government, and then as it was formed originally, form a new federal government with all new laws. There’s just too many thousands of laws the feds have passed to be going down the roster, reviewing each one. That would take decades if not more than a hundred years to do. Obviously, the federal government is broken. What do you do when something breaks? You try to fix it and then throw it out. The federal government is not fixable. You can’t fix greed and power mongers. You can only throw them out and we as the people have the right and the power to do that. We need a few leaders who will do that. We the people need to stop electing politicians and start electing ordinary people. If we elect people who are rich, do you really believe they will have the common people’s interests at heart? Like Romney said, he doesn’t care about the poor. If he becomes president, he will prove that to us and it’ll be more of the same, taking care of his personal cronies just like Bush, Obama, and other presidents have done, leaving the White House more super rich than when they came in, leaving us, the people poorer. Time to wake up People! Before it’s too late. Elect a common man, not a rich politician……

    • John

      There is really no way to disband the federal government. Remember who the federal government is, what it is comprised of and how it function.

      The federal government is like a black hole, once it was put into place it feeds on the same mater that created it and gets larger and it is self sustaining. Unless a larger black hole comes around and swallows it up, nothing can destroy it.

      So unless you change the whole political system in the US from ground up, i.e. from the school board to the town, to the county, to the state government and then the federal government NOTHING will change.

      I.M.H.O. the only way to get rid of federal government is to either swing into a full blown anarchy, or a 1 person dictatorship and the collapse that will follow. Or dissolve this country into individual states or blocks and let everyone fend for them self….. and frankly that’s the future I see for this country.

      • kkflash

        I do think we need to start over with the federal government, and have advocated for some time that we limit the legislature to only repealing laws for several terms. But, as you point out, this is unworkable in practice. So, the best alternative may be for the citizens to withdraw their consent to be governed at the Federal level, and remand the authority to the individual states for the time being. Some level of anarchy may result, but I think it can be minimized, again at the state level. Once the initial shock passes, the states can elect new representatives to the new Continental Congress, and form a new federal government. The biggest problem I see is the military, control of which would not easily be wrestled from the hands of those in power, and which control could not easily be divided among the states.

        Wow! Did that ever sound like sedition! I can’t believe I’m talking and thinking like this, but it just illustrates my level of frustration with the status quo. We the people have to take our country back somehow.

      • Vicki

        I hear a lot about people claiming the federal government is broken and they want a new one.

        Well I say it is NOT broken. The people WE elected to run it are not capable of running it and should ALL be replaced (with the possible exception of Dr Paul). The current people that we entrusted with representing us obviously can’t. They don’t even read the laws they pass. Why would we believe they have read (and understood) the Constitution itself.

        Let us return to the limitations on the Federal government imposed by the Constitution. We don’t have people wise enough currently to rewrite the Constitution or to write a better one. We see all around us evidence of how little is understood about the WHY of the Constitution. How then could we imagine people wise enough to be able to improve on it.

        We could try repealing the 16 and 17 amendments and see if that is really the only thing “wrong” with the Constitution itself.

      • mac

        John, are by any chance “John Titor – Time Traveler”? Your closing paragraph sounds somewhat like the makeup of the US following his predicted Civil War in the US culminating in a nuclear war in 2015. See johntitor.com – the “Civil War” link on the left side.

  • DaveH

    Thank you so much, Michael Boldin.
    And for those of you who haven’t heard, Judge Napolitano’s Freedom Watch was taken off Fox Business Network:
    http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/09/fox-business-networks-cancels-judge-andr

    I call for a boycott of all Murdoch’s News Corporation affiliates.
    Without Judge Napolitano, Eric Bolling, and David Asman (all three shows being cancelled at Fox Business Network), we’ve lost a great buttress against the all-out Propaganda we’ve endured at the hands of the MSM.

    • DaveH
      • Michael J.

        DaveH,
        In addition to Alex Jones reasons, I have some personel incite that I beleive to be true.

        Fox News since it’s inception has been an intrigal part of MSM. Rupert Murdoch/Roger Ailes (both are CFR members) reguraly attend Bilderberg meetings either in person or via surrogate. Therefore the recent turn of events should be no surprise.

        The initial practices of exposing government crime and coruption by Fox News was designed to gain maximum market share. Now that maximum market share has been acheived, their reporting is now giving way to standardized mainstream propoganda coverage. Soon, if not allready, Fox will be indestinguishable from alphabet news channels.

        Even at Fox’s finest hour when exposing crime and coruption, their coverage would allways fall short of exposing true culprits, the wizard behind the curtain so to speak. That’s why Beck left, because of unseen, unwritten limitations imposed on him as to how far he could go.

        Now that Napolitano is gone, I expect that Stossel’s days are numbered as well. All to be replaced with nondescript shows like “The Five” where no real issues are disclosed, just an hour of chit-chat.

      • Vicki

        The beauty of the internet (and why governments fear it the world over) is that when the MSM wanders into propaganda and absorbs another fox like news source, people like Glen, and John and the Judge can start their own or band together. Or post here :) We will find them and spread the word.

    • DaveH
    • John

      On one hand, seems like FOX is more and more giving in to the pressures from Saudi Arabia… but on the other hand, FOX is in the business to make money, and NOT in the business to educate or even to bring you real news. There is NO law that says that FOX has to tell you the truth or that anyone else has to tell you the truth… NEWS is not the same as truth… never was and never will be. FOX has chosen to represent the conservative view point and have biased all their news toward that (anyone who doesn’t believe this needs to take of the blinders) simply because there was money to be made not because they share your views or from the goodness of their heart. It seems to me, that conservatism doesn’t sell that well these days and they are moving more toward the middle of the line with a heavy slant on propaganda against all enemies of the Sunni Muslims…. The Saudi rulers have made trillions in investments into this country, from hotels to beverage (Coke) to car companies (Ford) to TV stations (FOX) and the only people that can stop them on their way of ruling this country are their religious and political enemies. Through the super pacs, TV and radio station ownership, Saudi Arabia and other countries buying the American elections and they have a lot more weight and money then the citizens of this country.

    • tg sherman

      We also lost Glen Beck!!! This is all OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • John

        Obama can care less about Beck on FOX, in fact, i think Glenn Beck on Fox was playing into Obama’s hands… but anyways,
        If you want to watch Glenn Beck, buy a ROCU box on http://www.ROCU.com and use your internet connection to watch TV. If you go to the channel store, and you will find Glenn Beck TV a 24hour TV channel giving you as much of Glenn Beck as you will ever need.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      DaveH, I agree and I believe that it is Soros with his Media Matters/Obama Administration that have declared war on FOX and News Corp…Pat Buchanan was fired from MSNBC for the same reasons…the blacklisting of conservative and traditionalist thought.

      Last March, the George Soros-funded Media Matters for America declared what Politico called an “all-out campaign” of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” against Fox News.

      In an expose at the Daily Caller, Tucker Carlson wrote that in 2009, Karl Frisch suggested hiring “private investigators to look into the personal lives of Fox News anchors, hosts, reporters, prominent contributors, senior network and corporate staff” in a memo emailed to Media Matters founder David Brock and president Eric Burns.

      “Simply put,” Frisch wrote, “the progressive movement is in need of an enemy. George W. Bush is gone. We really don’t have John McCain to kick around any more. Filling the lack of leadership on the right, Fox News has emerged as the central enemy and antagonist of the Obama administration, our Congressional majorities and the progressive movement as a whole.”

      “We must take Fox News head-on in a well funded, presidential-style campaign to discredit and embarrass the network, making it illegitimate in the eyes of news consumers.”
      http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/report-soros-funded-media-matters-memo-called-for-investigating-fox-employees

  • Claudia Walker

    The federal government has way too much money. Income tax should be abolished and FICA should be a separate account. Elected officials could be paid by the corporations that put them their in the first place. Maybe they won’t have so much money to spend on those annoying ads. Maybe our elected representatives would then remember that their position is one of service to their country. Maybe then the individual states could do their job of serving their constituents instead of relying on the feds for handouts.

    • eddie47d

      Every politician does serve it’s constituents. Each and every one of them will take money from Washington and put it into building projects within their states. Every Senator or Representative will advocate for their constituents by taking their share of the pie. Most constituents willingly accept this “gift” from the government to help handle financial necessities within their state. That hasn’t changed in several generations and Conservative states and more Liberal states take the money. .

  • KG

    You “Tenthers” lost in 1865 – with the defeat of the southern rebellion. There is a reason why we have a strong central government – because that’s what the American people want. They were tired of the “Boss Hog” type of local politics and chose a central federal type of system.

    The first three words of our constitution say “We, the People.” So, the question is “Who is the Government?”

    WE ARE! Weither you like it or not. The problem is most people DO NOT VOTE. We have surrendered our Republic to a “professional” electorate rather than everyone voting their own self interest – which is what the Framers wanted. Believe me, if everyone who COULD Vote DID Vote, we would have a totally different government.

    • DaveH

      We don’t have a strong Constitution-Trampling Central Government because the people wanted it. We have a strong Constitution-Trampling Central Government because Lincoln was willing to Trample the Constitution, deceive the citizens, and Force those states, who wanted to exercise their Constitutional rights for Self-Government, back into the Unlawful Union.
      For those who want to know the Truth:
      http://mises.org/store/Real-Lincoln-The-P172.aspx

      “Honest” Abe was a Dictator.

    • DaveH

      And before anybody whines that the South had no right to secede, remember that we fought two Wars, ostensibly to protect those countries’ rights to self-determination — South Korea, and South Vietnam.
      I say “ostensibly” because no doubt our Leaders really had ulterior motives for both wars, as they usually do.

      • Flashy

        DaveH…spin it and revise anyway you want actual accurate history. It all comes down to, the Southern states had no right to secede nor does a state have a justifiable and legit claim to being able to usurp federal jurisdiction and law.

        Need a reference?

        Appomattox, April 1865. Look who surrendered.

      • DaveH

        http://mises.org/daily/3704
        From the article:
        “DiLorenzo shows that dominant legal opinion granted states the right to depart. Nor was this exclusively a Southern view of the matter. During the War of 1812, many in New England favored abandoning the union; and our author, relying on the research of Howard Cecil Perkins, points out that the majority of newspaper editorials in the North from late 1860 to mid-1861 recognized the right of secession”.

      • TML

        “Southern states had no right to secede”

        You don’t listen very well do you?
        Secession is not a power delegated to the United States by the Constitution, and is therefore reserved for the States or to the people.

        It has to do with that 10th Amendment that you seem to hate so much, and insult real Americans for supporting. I can understand your position though, because if you acknowledge the 10th Amendment for what it is, then your entire house of cards comes tumbling down.

      • Flashy

        LOL .. and because someone says so, they must be correct despite the course of historical events proving them wrong. uh huh

        Then again, Mises has about the same authoritative weight and intellectual value as Mad magazine … and a good argument can be made for less…

      • DG

        DaveH – Don’t mind flashy. That is a shill for big gov and loves the idea of a president ripping up the Constitution i.e. Pres Lincolin and Obama the Bumminator.

        I think we should all just ignore flashy. There has never been a legitimate argument from that quarter. The moniker should be fluff and puff. Because smoke and mirrors seems to be the order of the day from those that refuse to see the light.

        But ignorance is bliss. Right flashy? You must enjoy every blissful moment of being an obstructionist. You should read world news from a reliable source, go back to school then return and be constructive. Unless you plan to bail out your big gov ideas with your own money. Stay out of my pocket.

      • Jeep

        Interesting…so, in Flashy’s world ‘might makes right’. So, the North won, and apparently that makes the South wrong.

      • Flashy

        no Jeep…you would be in error. What I said was the issue of which should prevail, states or a federal government, in our system of government was settled and answered that day in April, 1865.

      • FreedomFighter

        Flash:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHUfy_YBps&feature=related

        All together now, play those…

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • eddie47d

        Jeep; “might makes right” is a trait that many people use whether individuals,governments,Conservatives or Liberals. Whether religious theocracies or communists. Everyone wants to be the bully on the block as long as they are in charge.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Flashy,

        Your ignorance knows no bounds, and I have grown quite tired of your baseless, moronic attacks on a fine institution as the Ludwig von Mises Institute. You write: “Mises has about the same authoritative weight and intellectual value as Mad magazine … and a good argument can be made for less…”

        The Ludwig von Mises Institute is located on the campus of Auburn University. It is the world center of the Austrian School of economics and libertarian political and social theory. It was founded in 1982 as the research and educational center of classical liberalism, libertarian political theory, and the Austrian School of economics. It serves as the world’s leading provider of educational materials, conferences, media, and literature in support of the tradition of thought represented by Ludwig von Mises and the school of thought he enlivened and carried forward during the 20th century, which has now blossomed into a massive international movement of students, professors, professionals, and people in all walks of life. It seeks a radical shift in the intellectual climate as the foundation for a renewal of the free and prosperous commonwealth. To view a list of Senior Scholars, Faculty members and staff, go here: http://mises.org/faculty.aspx. But since I know you won’t, here are a few along with their accomplishments:

        Walter Edward Block (born 21 August 1941) is a free market economist and anarcho-capitalist associated with the Austrian School of economics. He earned his PhD in Economics at Columbia University. He has authored, edited and co-edited many books and more than 500 articles.

        John P. Cochran is the dean of the School of Business and a professor of economics at the Metropolitan State College of Denver, and is a member of the faculty of the Mises Institute.

        Thomas James DiLorenzo is professor of economics at Loyola University Maryland and a senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He is the author or co-author of ten books, on subjects such as antitrust, group-interest politics, and interventionism generally.

        David Gordon is a philosopher, historian, and senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He was educated at UCLA, where he earned his PhD in intellectual history. He is the author of Resurrecting Marx: The Analytical Marxists on Exploitation, Freedom, and Justice; The Philosophical Origins of Austrian Economics; An Introduction to Economic Reasoning; and Critics of Marx. He is also editor of Secession, State, and Liberty, The Turgot Collection and co-editor of H.B. Acton’s Morals of Markets and Other Essays.
        Dr. Gordon is the editor of The Mises Review, and a contributor to such journals as Analysis, The International Philosophic Quarterly, The Journal of Libertarian Studies, and The Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics.

        Jeffrey M. Herbener is a professor of economics at Grove City College and a senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

        Hans-Hermann Hoppe (b. 1949) is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and Distinguished Fellow at the Mises Institute.

        Roderick Tracy Long (born February 4, 1964) is a professor of philosophy at Auburn University and libertarian anarchist blogger. He also serves as a senior scholar for the Ludwig von Mises Institute, an editor of the Journal of Ayn Rand Studies, director and president of the Molinari Institute, and an advisory panel member for the Center for a Stateless Society. He received a B.A. in philosophy from Harvard University and his Ph.D. from Cornell University. He has edited the book Anarchism/Minarchism: Is a Government Part of a Free Country?. His work has been debated by Robert Bidinotto[1] and cited by Gene Callahan.[2] Long served as the editor of the Journal of Libertarian Studies and was a member of the Liberty and Power group blog.

        Joseph T. Salerno is an Austrian School economist in the United States. He is a professor at Pace University, an editor of the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, and Academic Vice President of the Mises Institute. Salerno specializes in monetary theory and policy, comparative economics, and the history of economic thought.

        Pascal Salin (born 1939) is a libertarian economist, professor at the Université Paris-Dauphine and a specialist in public finance. He is a former president of the Mont Pelerin Society (1994 to 1996). He won the Gary G. Schlarbaum Prize for lifetime defense of liberty, awarded by the Ludwig von Mises Institute, in 2008.

        Thomas E. Woods, Jr. (born August 1, 1972) is an American historian and New York Times bestselling author. He holds a Bachelor’s Degree from Harvard University and a Ph.D. in history from Columbia University. He served as a history department faculty member at Suffolk County Community College in New York until 2006, and is now resident scholar and senior faculty member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute (LvMI) in Auburn, Alabama, as well as a member of the editorial board for Libertarian Papers.
        He was an ISI Richard M. Weaver Fellow in 1995–96. Woods was also the recipient of the 2004 O.P. Alford III Prize for Libertarian Scholarship and of an Olive W. Garvey Fellowship from the Independent Institute in 2003. He has additionally been awarded two Humane Studies Fellowships and a Claude R. Lambe Fellowship from the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University.
        Woods is co-editor of Exploring American History: From Colonial Times to 1877, an eleven-volume encyclopedia

        These are just a few of the 16 senior scholars at the Mises Institute. There are probably 75 more adjunct scholars of similar education and scholarship. So I ask you, Mr. Flashy, how do your degrees, accomplishments and knowledge stack up against this group with the” intellectual accomplishments” of Mad Magazine? How many books and articles have you authored or edited? How many degrees and advanced degrees in economics, philosophy and history do you currently possess? How many classes have you taught?

        Mr. Flashy, your insults of Mises Institute constitute strike 2, because they are based on ignorance and prejudice. Understand, my patience with you is now in short supply.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH

        Flashman says “Then again, Mises has about the same authoritative weight and intellectual value as Mad magazine”.
        More Slander from Flashman. Surprise, Surprise.
        You would know all about Mad wouldn’t you, Flashman? You’ve been stark raving mad since you’ve been on this board.
        So let me count the ways that Flashman has no integrity. He lies, He slanders, He Plagiarizes, He equivocates, He condones Theft, He advocates violence against people he disagrees with, and He advocates forcibly sending young men to their deaths in Foreign countries which in no way have attacked the United States. How twisted can one man be?
        And this character thinks anybody believes a word he says?

      • Sirian

        Outstanding Bob, Outstanding!!! I warned you of Flashy before. It doesn’t take very long before he is sitting under your skin and gleefully gnawing away. Only on rare occasion do I allow him to gather any territory with me. DaveH, FF and so many others have stripped him of his credibility numerous times yet he foolishly returns as if he is seeking his daily regimen of blood, so to speak. Once again – OUTSTANDING!!!

      • Vicki

        Flashy claims that a state does not have a justifiable and legit claim to being able to usurp federal jurisdiction and law.

        States do have the power (and the DUTY) to resist any UNCONSTITUTIONAL law or action by the federal government. The 10th amendment addresses this by saying what powers the states do NOT have.

        I looked over the Constitution and there is no limit on the states refusing to obey unconstitutional laws. I didn’t see anything there about states being limited to remaining in the union either.

    • Carl Manning

      KG,

      Lincoln was so maniacal that he suspended habeas corpus not just in the South after the war, but even in the North during the war. He imprisoned journalists and Congressman or Senators who openly disagreed with him, which was blatantly un-Constitutional. Why don’t you quit watching OH Really??? on Faux News who wrote a whitewashing book about Abraham Lincoln and actually get off your duff and educate yourself. We Southerners are sick and tired of having to educate so many of you prejudiced Yankees who think we’re all a bunch of Boss Hoggs and Bow and Luke Dukes down here. Get a clue, bud. There are rednecks everywhere, even in Canada and certainly also in Yankeeland. You will always have your people who love to be blithering idiots. I fancy that you might just be one yourself considering how little you know about the War for Southern Independence. By your twisted logic, this nation had no right to secede from England. If you ever open your eyes to the Confederacy and look beyond the slavery issue, you will discover that George Washington was idolized by the Confederacy. His portraits are all over the place in Jefferson Davis’ home, the Confederate White House. Southerners had tariffs placed on cotton to help the Northern textile industry at the expense of the Southern cotton industry, which suffered heavily under these tariffs. The North had more Senators and more Congressmen by virtue of a population advantage, but they used their political advantage to economically destroy the South, which Southerners considered a threat to their survival. The South had no other option but to secede from this Union that was out to destroy it economically. THAT’S THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH YOU’LL NEVER READ IN YOUR YANKEE-INSPIRED TEXTBOOK PROPAGANDA!!!

      • TIME

        Carl,
        You also forgot the Morrill Tarriff issue from Old Honest Abe.

      • Michael J.

        You tell-em Carl, these high-falootin Yankee city-slickers thinks all us southerners er justa buncha bible thumpem, shotgun toten, livin outena sticks in 40 ft aluminum tornado magnets rednecks, a typin away like mad with one finger justa keepup with them smarty-pants twinkle-toes.

        Carl,
        Let them proceed with their naive perpetual notion of conservative self-reliant individuals who’ll soon be stepping over their unprepared, bleeding lost souls in the coming American Regenesis.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Carl & Michael J. … Hear Hear! :)

  • http://twitter.com/Morning_tony Morning_tony (@Morning_tony)

    What We the People face as a Society of Freedom loving and Liberty Preserving people is a challenge by a elite group of Ideologues that are head strong and really the mental case that we the people need our Local Law Enforcement officers help with security from if we are to Preserve the US Constitution’s Liberty and justice for all . see this link on how the local County Sheriff’s can help us preserve our Liberty from the Ideologues that want to take over our Individual Liberties for Ideological purposes !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4RuWK2Ww-4&feature=player_embedded

  • DH

    This administration has been the most flagrant violators of the tenth amendment, facilitated by his cabinet and czars. Yes that’s right….czars. What the heck. CZARS? And his brownshirts. And now the right to incarcerate individuals without warrant or due process. And spending money like they want to financially cripple our country. This president has got to go, along with every congressmen who has never taken head of the tenth admendment. Czars? What the heck is this the soviet union?

    • DaveH

      Answer to last question — Worse. The USSR could only dream of the Power that is at our Sociopathic Leaders disposal.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Yes, it will be worse because Liberty will be gone. The power grab will be clothed with the language of doing the “right” things, caring for each other, tolerance, medical care, etc.. We let our guard down when conditions in society are supposedly for our own good. We stay alert when we sense trouble, at least some of us.

  • Johnny Shotoe

    I just read a hair raising article that the Feds are getting ready to SELL off the Infrastructure we paid for. Interstate Highways are to become Toll roads some at 75 cents a mile from coast to coast owned by Foreign Investors. The Feds don’t own what we PAID for with Gas Taxes, & we have to step up & prevent the sale of even one. Do YOU realize what Food, Fuel, & everything we buy will COST coming over Toll Roads? Prohibited COST will make you a Prisoner in your own home. You will have to ask in Chinese for permission to travel. The cost of finding work or holding down a job will go through the roof!

    http://ppjg.me/2012/02/17/congress-set-to-hand-our-highways-and-freeways-over-to-foreign-corporations-new-toll-roads-planned-for-all-50-states/

    • DaveH

      If we are to allow Government to possess and maintain our highways, privately-built toll roads are a much cheaper way to accomplish that than to let inefficient Government Employees do the work. Some Reason:
      http://reason.org/news/show/1002873.html

    • John

      Nobody forces you to use toll roads, there will always be local and county roads… It takes longer, but hey its your choice…..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Are you sure those roads will be free to use?

  • http://none Ridge Runner

    It looks like it just might turn into survival of the fittest. These bunch of thives that is maskeradig as gov officals are intent on destroying the country and enslaving the people for their own entitlements that they keep giving them selfs. It is better to make a bad stand than just be run over by the riff raff of our gov. Vote these sobs out and see if we can put a skotch under the wheels of these entitlement minded people. They are realy nothing but out right thives out for all they can get. too many of these people are degenerates and are just breeding and raising more of the same.

  • Wyatt

    Interesting comments from all . I might point out however , the Constitution says what it says in plain and straight forward language , One has only to be familiar with the language common to the founding fathers and the 18th century . The Constitution was not drafted in some legalese double speak , it was the common language of the day and so that everyman could understand . Sadly , our Supreme Court Justices of liberal bent began adding their own ideas on how it should be interpreted . Liberal Presidents select Justices who in turn rule in favor of that President wanting some grey area of legislation. LBJ got a civil-rights amendment into law that favored the black portion of our population. Had the Constitution been adhered to , no amendment would be needed , blacks here were citizens of the United States therefore protected by the Constitution . And the same reason applies to women’s rights, they too are citizens . If the Constitution is enforced they are protected with no need to interpret or add specific amendments .
    And then we have those who simple ignore the Constitution in order to promote their own agenda. They start with something small and work their way up to bigger things . They speak out against our Constitution calling it outdated and obsolete. Our Justices belittle it publicly. These people are sworn to uphold our Constitution not destroy it or to change it to suit their whim.
    Our founding fathers knew the dangers of big government and to much power in one persons hands . They drafted the Constitution to have checks and balances and prevent a consolidation of Absolute Power by any individual or legislative branch . This is what the Socialists of our elected officials do not like . It blocks their attempts at power and allows the people a voice . America’s government is for “We the people and By the people . It has served us fairly well for over 200 years and barring tampering will continue to serve us well. Tell Washington no , and vote out the dead wood and those who want the Constitution rewritten to favor how they think it should be .

    • Smilee

      The founding fathers were not the only ones who wrote the Constitution, it has been amended 27 times since the founding fathers wrote the original over a period of 201 years (1791-1992) and can again be amended in the future. The founding fathers never intended that the Constitution as they wrote was cast in concrete or they would not have placed it in the constitution, meaning for every generation coming after them to change what they had created and they did not restrict it to the culture of their time. The Constitution belongs to every generation not just theirs. I find your understanding of the Constitution to be sorely lacking in its correct understanding.

      • DaveH

        And this has what to do with Wyatt’s comment?

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    The Constitution has gon by the way of the 10 Commandments! ( Yes Arkaic.) Broken by the makers… With interpetition in such a variable that it has become useless!
    But, the age old problem still exist… UNITY or Not! ” Unity to ???” The RULE of LAW should still be based on Civil Structure & Code!

  • Lucy

    I discovered the 10th Amendment in 2009 when a local judge had an article in the paper stating”Stop Ignoring Our 10th Amendment” aimed at our politicians. After I read it it made perfect sense.
    The POWERS given to the Federal Govt. were “few and defined” they consisted of EXTERNAL affairs like war, peace, negotiations and foreign commerce.
    The POWERS given to the States were ” many and undefined” and consisted of INTERNAL affairs like LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

    The 10th Amendment was put in place by our founders to protect us from a corrupt government. Since they fled tyranny and slavery to form a free nation they knew that if men became too powerful it could return. SO LETS GET OUT THERE AND STOP THEM.

    • John

      And in the end, states will react over zealous and this country will split and self destruct…

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear John,

        Poppycock!

        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • James

      I would say the Bill of Rights was put there to protect us. The first part of its Preamble reads: “THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adlopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restricetive clauses should be added:…”
      The Bill of Rights starts with “Congress shall make no law…”; the 9th Amendment says this restrictive theme includes all rights whether enumerated therein or not. And the 10th Amendment reminds Congress that “powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution…are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

      • Edward Frye

        This is true and that’s why we have to hold all those for the distruction thereof accountable for their actions. It’s going to take new blood in the Congress and Senate. The Presidency has to change hands also. We can do it if we wake enough people up and make sure we have a true and honest free election. We need change in the way the News is reported and we need to hold them accountable also for false reporting because it is only commiting an act of fraud on the American people and people of the world. It makes me sick to think Journalism has been destroyed in this country.

  • T.B

    OH Please, get off your soapbox!!!!! Military my ass, President Obama did what needed to be done. The Republican Party are well known BULLIES, who think they can go anywhere in the world and do what they want to anybody. Did they ever really figure out who REALLY planned September 11??? NO, they just went about killing anybody who they THOUGHT was responsible.

    • Edward Frye

      Get off your soapbox. If you think it is republicans your totally uninformed. We are fighting a two headed snake and it is called the elected Congress, Senate and Presidency. If we delve a little deeper you can find the real source of power and who is bought and paid for. Beleive me they are on both sides and totally against America as we think we know it or how we have been taught to know it. Sometimes you have to unlearn to learn. We need to get the lobbyist out of government because they are the prostitutes for the Corporations. They corrupt those who are weak minded and those they can’t corrupt they extort or threaten. Open your eyes but most of all free your mind from what they propose is happening and what is really happening. When we get the Federal Reserve Bank under control and kick AIPAC out, when we start following the Constitution and rid ourselves of the UN, NATO, IMF, GATT, NAFTA, CFR, and Trilateral Commision,etc. Our country will prosper and become a leader nation instead of a waring nation hell bent on control through overthrow of governments of other nations through Tyranny and Occupation only for those in the backround who only care about power and control of all resourses. To them YOU are one of those resources and an exspendible one at that. Wake Up!

  • T.E.

    Want term limits? Vote them ALL out -every election, and then you’ll see people that seek office for the right reasons.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    AMEN TO THE TENTHERS! There does come a time for Christians to stand and we should “obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29). This happened to me on one occasion when I knew THE LORD was leading me. I, along with 21 others, were put in jail that day. Later as I stood before the lady Judge she asked how I pleaded. I replied, “Guilty to being obedient to the Lord.” She found me guilty. I went away rejoicing because I knew it was God’s will. His perfect peace was with me even as I was being arrested. We were spontaneously began singing the old hymns of the faith as we were arrested and also later in jail. I knew none of the other 19 men and 2 ladies before that day; but I knew it was The Lord that had sent me there for such a time as this. There may come a time for some of you to obey God rather than men.

  • Evie

    With the upcoming election, we need to LISTEN to the real platforms of each of these candidates! Many of them are NOT abiding by our Constitutional rights! I am an Independent voter and still have not decided who I will vote for, but with the debates not projecting/ focusing on the actual candidates platform views on who wants what, we are forced to listen to the nit picking going on which eliminates our abilities to actually listen to what the actual platforms are of each of these candidates in regard to the Constitutional laws. If the News Media would get on the right track and start asking these candidates how each of their ideas are different from the other, perhaps we could pick the right candidate. (although I have not chosen a candidate yet) I think Ron Paul has his ideas closest to the Constitution rights of the people., but how do we really know – we can’t seem to get any direct answers from the candidates with the questions asked by the News Media at the time of the debates! Perhaps if we all write to the people who are heading up the Debates, we could get the answers most of us are looking for – that is – What is your platform and how does it differ from one another to protect our rights as stated in the Constitution! Have any of you heard that from any of the people/news media asking the questions to the candidates? I don’t think you have, so we need to get on the band wagon and demand this in order to pick the right candidate with the ideas that protect the American people with their Constitutional rights! Also, remember, the views may be good, however, they still have to depend on Congress to pass them, if Congress doesn’t pass what they are standing for (their platform) then they can’t accomplish their ideas, so we really need to think about our Congressional people that are supposed to be in office to keep the American people within the rights of the Constitution – they aren’t doing that, so when you vote, think about your Congressman’s points of view, as they will be the ones that will decide on our rights, not necessarily the candidates. Another question that should be asked to the Presidential candidates is how do you intend to get Congress to pass the points of your platform! (That is what has happened to Obama’s platform) – Congress refuses to vote on the things he had on his platform!!

    • John

      They all know, that 80% of what they are promising the gullible sheep is not obtainable, but they don’t care, once they are in power, they only care for them self and NOT for the people who put them there…and there is absolute NO exception from that rule.

      • eddie47d

        From either and all parties!

      • DaveH

        Sure there is, John — Ron Paul.

  • john p. waldron

    Obama should show his birth certificate . i still say he was not born
    in the united states . he paid a lot of money to hide his birth certificate .
    why i think his uncle and grandmother was right he was born out side
    our country .

    • Smilee

      Your so completely misinformed

  • sj

    Should’t the states stand up and say no where constitutional law is breached. Can’t we approach this thing from the grass roots up?

    • sniffer

      YESSSSSSSSS A MILLION LOCAL SUITS ON CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES WILL BREAK THE BACKS OF FEDERAL TYRANTS. BUT, FIRST WE NEED DISTRICT ATTORNIES WHO WILL PROSECUTE, LOCAL JUDGES WHO WILL CONVICT IN ABSENTIA IF APPROPRIATE, AND POLICE WHO WILL ARREST AND JAIL WHENEVER THEY WALK ON YOUR LOCAL TURF. ALL FED, STATE, & LOCAL NOTED HAVE SWORN TO UPHOLD & DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, BUT MOST DON’T. SOLUTION – REMOVE THE DON’TS FROM OFFICE FOR BREACH OF SWORN DUTY & OATH. WHY NOT!

  • azwayne

    Dumbing down america by not teaching any government laws or social studies for two generations has mad it easy to not pay attention to government confiscation.

  • unclsamserf

    This I am afraid of. Indefinite Detention. But come on peoples. Let be reasonable doesn’t anyone think that some one may have forced him to sign that law. There are other forces in government that we don’t know about. I am not a fan of his. And thinking that this is a shadow government in the works.

  • Tim L.

    Go to Zietgiest.com The Movie. It’s a must see for anyone who cares about what’s happening to this country. This movie has been praised and bashed by critics, but it contains a lot of truth if you are willing to view it with an open mind.

  • securityman

    Obama should not have been elested in the first place. now you are getting what you asked for. i,ve spent my time in war and it is not something that i like,but,the road that obama is leading us on is the end times road. read “Revelation”. obama is not the main guy, but he is trying to lead us to ” his” diety.

    • mac

      I think the people who voted for Obama and got him elected got exactly what they wanted, and are madly scrambling for more of the same. Can’t prove that there were enough fraudulent votes and voters to get the job done, in fact I suspect that too many PC do-gooders were delighted to vote for him because he was black (half-black, anyway).

      • Edward Frye

        I have to agree but also he delivered a message to completely indulge the people. He has not kept one promise since his presidency. I don’t beleive he is even U.S. born. He will deliver more of the same rethoric this time. He has all the backing of the big banks whom he works for. They will manipulate the market to give the people a false sence the economy is doing well, they keep falsely reporting the jobs statistics, and should he or anyone else be elected the bottom will drop out. Look for an October surprise just as the one in Germany, that has a strong chance of happening. He is doing all he can to hold Israel back but they don’t care if he is re-elected or not. They have got control of Washington through AIPAC and the FED. The only one not bought off is Paul. The media won’t tell the truth, Obama and Romney are singing songs, Israel is wanting full control of the region, and we are looking at WWIII. The eugenis love the fact that millions will be killed but would be much happier if it were billions. What a crazy world we are in. It’s all because psychopaths are in control. We must do all we can to combat this insanity of power and greed. I have to laugh at the fact they gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize and we are now in more wars than in any other time in history. If you beleive in an anti-christ Obama sure fits the bill. Anyway hang in there and keep fighting for change. Don’t beleive in mainstream media and do all you can to wake people up. Petition the government there is a lot of those going around, and get the new blood in the Senate and Congress this election.

  • Maryland Freestater

    Something related but not commented on here – it’s not just the Constitution and Amendments being ignored, but the amount of bureaucratic bullkaka regulations that are, and have been, forced upon us by an unelected bureaucracy. ENOUGH!!! I wish Ron Paul WOULD get elected and eliminate several Departments of Crap. Probably not a point of view many of you here support on either side of the philosophical aisle.

    This country DOES need a damn good housecleaning. And, the stranglehold of the Bipartisans needs to be broken. I don’t know if this Country has indeed been ‘ruined’ for the last 150 years, as someone stated previously, but I do know it has surely been so since the Woodrow Wilson Administration. MANY of the problems we’ve endured as a country are directly attributable to him, notably foreign entanglements and the institutionalization of racism against Blacks that he did.

    All I know is if I don’t resist, and if you people here don’t get more people to at least wake up to what’s playing out, then it’s gonna be one helluva Armageddon…

  • Brad J.

    Everyone keeps talking about having the military remove the corrupt cronies in DC. But, isn’t there also a method called “IMPEACHMENT”? If the President of the United States breaks US Constitutional laws, he should be dismissed. Plus, he continues to break these laws over and over again. He uses psychological class warfare to win over the people in the country, who for some odd reason, think he is a man of his word. Nothing could be further from the truth. Are people really that stupid? Apparently so. Either that, or they are pro-Socialism. And if they are for the latter, then they need to move to another country that preaches Socialism. Did it ever occur to anyone that Obama could be that “man with the blue turbun” who Nostrudamus spoke of in his revelations? Al-Quaida isn’t worried at all about succeeding in the demise of the USA. Their work is being done for them from the inside out. A terrific tool that seems to be working. So, Obama thinks our Constitution is outdated and needs to be changed? Well said by a traitor to his country. This man is a menace and needs to be removed from office. Wake up America! Remove your rose-colored glass and see the country as it truly is: on the verge of Socialism and collapse. Impeachment proceedings should ensue!

    • Stan

      Absolutely agree, I have always thought that Obama is a terrorist bent on the destruction of the US. Unfortunately, he is getting away with it. By signing into law on 12-31-11 the expansion of the “Patriot” (Hitler) Act with the ability to suspend the Bill of Rights at the presidents whim. I fear we as a people have waited to long to change the direction this country is headed. If the States pass laws that go against the Federal Governments wishes and laws, they will just come in with the military if necessary to enforce the Feds will on the states.
      I personally do not have allegence to any political party and have always voted for the person I believe is the one that best represents my opinions, but that could have been a mistake in that if someone is a member of a Party, then they will vote usually down party lines. All parties are corrupt and bought and paid for by the special interest groups. I truly believe the only way to change the direction is to “somehow” get the independents elected and force real change at the Federal Government level.

      Again, I do not advocate for any party but I have just listened to an hour long video from a fellow named Kevin Trudeau and he speaks to what this Blog seems to be all about. Maybe some of you will go to his website or the video or both and encourage him to run for office. I know he is controversial, but I think we need major and massive change if we are going to save our country. People who are willing to fight, like this fellow has, is what I think we need more of. Maybe it won’t be too late
      God Bless America as it used to be

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHUb18I5d8
      http://www.standwithkt.com

  • FreedomFighter

    Obama sends Hillary Clinton after US Citizen guns thru the UN

    The UN is knee deep into firearms destruction and confiscation. At the beginning of the destruction ceremony, the Jamaican Prime Minister of Security thanked the United Nations UNLIREC for providing “technical assistance” for the country to “…fully develop action on small arms regulation and control.” The UN also helped in the country’s acquisition of equipment to destroy firearms. They have provided the country with a UN designed ammunition burning tank, hydraulic shears to cut up firearms, and padlocks to secure the firearms before their destruction.

    George W. Bush fought against this kind of Treaty as he appointed freedom rights advocate John Bolton as our United Nations Ambassador. But, one of Obama’s first directives as President in 2009 was to instruct Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to engage in talks with the UN about this Treaty

    I state again:

    Removing Obama from office is the most important task for the American people in the last 200 years. Failure to remove Obama and his cronies will result in the demise of America as we have known it, and the rise of the totalitarian state, and total enslavement of the American people to the tyrants of One World Government

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    The tenth ammendment is just as important as the i st .14 th and all the rest. Those ammendments were put in place by a group of people that had more on the ball than the whole garbage dump called Washington D.C. has today. If that bunch has any more hand in the present way things are going we are history. Here is the most puzzeling thing at hand right now is the fact how our congress and senate have simply gone to sleep or are they in on the game.Those are the ones at present to get after,and get to impeaching those imposters. And those are the ones to remember on election day.If any one needs to be replaced it is the whole congress and senate. And of course The POTUS .

    • James

      They are in on the game.

  • HKaufman

    Any REASON????? why every article written by a JOURNALIST keep including DISPARAGING comments in RE: to OBAMA. I did not grow up with HATE and RACIST almost 1 tiny leap for man kind away from SLANDER!!!!! IF one not happy with this debacle the keeps on and on, the first Tue in November 2012,,,,, there’s one step. Quit being part of the problem and become part of the solution… With re to Laus Deo, NOT OBAMS’S fault why this mess is here, NO- MATTER who would have WON in 2008, that person would still be receiving the same results as what is occuring in OBAMA administration. Lets have some intelligence in re: to these problems, instead of putting a hood over heads and carrying a cross.

    • FreedomFighter

      “I choose my own heroes”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3tR_Miti7w&feature=related

      Your answer is within

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • John

        Loon Tube again? I swear your addicted to it….

      • FreedomFighter

        It would be shame to waste all that free material, soon the censors will take it all away, best to use it now.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        Why do you care, John?

  • Robert Morrow

    Yes, just why is the Story not told by the so called News Media about the runway Federal Agencies? Take just one one The FDA, which allows the poisoning of citizens with bad drugs and toxic chemically laden processed foods. Now they have the food police which forces children to eat poison filled imitation foods. The one in the news just lately where the child’s lunch was push aside by some Petty Bureaucrat (of no name) the child was given poison laced McNuggets which have no real food in them. This to me is Child Endangerment and these Petty Bureaucrats should be jailed. I teach free cooking classes with the title, HOW TO COOK OUTSIDE THE POISON FOOD BOX. So to end I hope all you enjoy your daily staff of life Bread filled with Plastic Foam and other poison. One thing more the Corrupt FDA has ALLOWED the Pharmaceutical & Giant food processor to murder thousand and yet the New Media never mentions that or your corrupt Senators will not for he would lose the 30 Pieces of Blood Stained Silver that is received by looking the other way. Have a great Day Chef Robert here in the Land Of Enchantment.

  • sporty12

    take a look at Oathkeepers.com. Once you take that oath it is forever. If you are a citizen of the USA it is your duty to protect it and your family!

    • John

      Knowing Human nature and my experience over the past 74 years has thought me that in excess of 60% of the people in this group are there for their own private advancements and don’t give a rats arse about the real goals of the group. Its a social club for many and in the end just with all other similar organizations in the past most will throw the principles over board and it will be every man for itself….

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        John, why don’t you tell us about your experience and what you know about the Oath Keepers that relates to your “experiences”? I’d really like to hear…being a member of Oath Keepers myself…

      • Michael J.

        John,
        Some individuals wrongly guess what others will do by imagining what they, the individual would do if in the others place.
        Mr. Jekyl, your hyde is showing.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    There needs to be in depth teaching on the constitutional law of the nation. If any are interested I would recommend contacting Judge Roy Moore and The Foundation For Moral Law in Montgomery Alabama. I have heard him on many occasions and in my opinion he knows it better than any I have ever heard.. .Get enough people together and they may do a seminar.in your area.

  • kkflash

    Flashy, finding your errors of logic is getting so easy that I wish you’d recruit some troll friends who’d present a better challenge for those of us who actually understand the Constitution.
    “It [the 9th] doesn’t give the states anything. The 14th does. ”
    No, the 14th doesn’t give the states anything either. It is purely restrictive on the states’ powers to pass laws that abridge those things granted to citizens by the Fed. It also prevents states from passing laws that deny rights to things such as life, liberty, and property, which are things not granted by the Feds.

    “…For the federal government, that means the federal liberties and freedoms are above any right of the state to restrict. It means, federal law prevails in any clash with state law.”
    No, and HELL, NO! First of all, there is no such thing as “federal liberties and freedoms”. The Feds may grant certain privileges and immunities as a condition of citizenship, but liberty and freedom are inalienable God-given rights we are born with. We don’t get them from the Fed, nor may federal or state government deprive us of these without due process of law. Second, it does NOT mean federal law trumps state law. It does prohibit state law from reducing privileges and immunities granted by federal citizenship. In other words the state can’t take away what the Fed has given. You forget that the 10th kept all the powers that weren’t specifically given to the Feds for the states, or the people. So, not only does Federal law not supercede state law, the opposite is true, except where a state law attempts to thwart privileges and immunities of federal citizenship.

    “the 10th says…what the federal gvernment chooses not to use a government power given by the Constitution, as long as the overall federal system is recognized and not violated, you the state can take that power and do more or give more with it.”
    Your statement is unintelligible, so I have no idea what you mean. The 10th certainly does not give states any powers that it would not otherwise have in the absence of this amendment. States’ powers are granted to them by the state’s citizens according to each state’s constitution, and if not granted to the state, they are reserved to the people.

    “That’s it. It does not give, nor was it ever intended to give, states more power or a say over, the federal government. The strong state say in the federal government was specifically rejected as unworkable when they recgnized the need for the Constitution and tossing the Articles of Confederation into the circular file.”
    No one here suggested that a given state is granted any Constitutional power over Federal government, other than the state’s representation in the Federal legislature. But, to say that the Constitution establishes the authority of Federal law over all state law is just plain wrong.

    • Flashy

      KKF…you go with your interpretation, I’ll go with my understanding and following of SCOTUS cases as the logical trail of events leading to today’s understanding of the powers between the states and the Fed and the meaning of the Rights specified in our Constitution.

      • APN

        Flashpan, You wouldn’t understand individual liberty given to the peoples through our constitution if it slapped you in the mouth. You contradict yourself from one post to the next and are too stupid to detect it. You’re an American hating Progressive-Marxist an we all understand that fact.

        Flashy, not even the best most intelligent liar can remember what lie he told who and you continually get trapped in your own wicked web of deceit, just like those in Washington.

        Would you like to continue to demonstrate your foolishness to us and waste our time or maybe try something a little more honest and productive? Who in Washington pays you anyway to waste our time on such foolish comments?

      • DaveH

        Logic is not your strong suit, Flashman. Logic would tell a person that a Branch of the Federal Government cannot be counted on to rule against another Branch of the Federal Government. The Supreme Court was never intended to be the final arbiter of Unconstitutionality. It just took that Power:
        http://mises.org/daily/4477

        The Fox guarding the Hen House.

    • James

      All due respect, but that’s the silliest view of the Bill of Rights I’ve ever read.

  • George B

    Fact: We are here and do not know where we are going or how to proceed Chaos is upon us. We have let the big Corporations and the Wealthy take control to our detriment. The wealthy politicians have lead us down the Primrose path. They have destroyed democracy and the life of most Americans. Our only recourse is the Vote. Most people will vote to enrich their self. Politicians, lie, cheat and steal their way into positions of power. I refuse to Vote for any incumbent. They have no integrity or moral compass, Democrat or Republican. Americans have an ingrained sense of self reliance and have fought one Civil War, and a few lesser. We believe in the Constitution as written and it has served us over 200 years. The rule of Law and Order must prevail. Helping people is a must, to better our self. Policitans lack common sense in dealing with the public. This nation was built by the people and for the people. God save the United States of America. But the people will not give up easly.

  • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

    Great Post, it almost makes you believe that sound minds will prevail in this country. I’ve always been an advocate of doing the right thing. The problem is that it’s sometimes hard to know what the right thing is to do.
    On the other hand it’s a sad commentary of just how ignorant the average citizen is about just what the basic building blocks of this country are: it’s the constitution and it’s amendments. “my people perish for a lack of knowledge.” Most people have no idea why these laws were created. They see them as an infringement on the governments ability to rule. I have simply to ask this: Would you give your neighbor, that you don’t know, the unlimited ability to control your life? Why would you give a bunch of politicians that you don’t know that ability? We often elect people to office based on the sound bites they make and not on what we really know about them. We get what we deserve when we do that.
    Lastly, a business or a local institution may have an influence on many peoples lives and we have the ability to regulate those from home but, what the federal government does effects everyone and not just a few. It is a far harder element to control than a smaller local element. Once it grasps power it is difficult to get it to give that power up.

  • Pete Sagi

    There are three points that prevent the “tenther’s” from having any real teeth at this point. The first item … federal subsidies to the states. Taking federal money and then attempting to assert sovereignty over the federal govt. is like a child attempting to assert sovereignty over his parents while living under his parents roof and taking allowance money. If a state is to assert its rightful status as sovereign over the federal govt., then it must cease accepting ANY federal subsidies whatsoever.

    The second and third point go hand in hand, dealing with the matter of federal and state income tax. First, there is the issue of how the income tax works. According to the US Supreme court, the income tax is a tax on privilege, and it is only MEASURED by the income, or profit, derived FROM the taxable privilege. There are actually a number of different privileges that are taxable. A non resident alien or foreign corporate entity deriving income from within the US clearly does so by privilege. A US citizen residing abroad with foreign earned income is earning income via privilege, which is protection of the US flag. Federal employment and/or employment by a federal corporation such as the US Post Office is taxable privilege. But what about the rest of us … living and working at occupations of common right within any of the now 50 united States? How is that a privilege?? The answer is that it is not, except that you can elect to make it a privilege by participation in Social Security. Believe it or not, participation in Social Security is 100% voluntary and not required to live OR WORK in the United States, according to the Social Security Administration. They will confirm this in writing if asked, email or snail mail, responding in kind, ssa dot gov. Use an SSN on the job and you have made yourself a federal employee for tax purposes. By law, this is 100% voluntary, although it is the POLICY of most private corporate entities to force their workers into participation by refusing to hire anyone without an SSN. Mainly, these corporate policies are the result of ignorance and fear, although there are a few bad actors in larger corporations that know exactly what the truth is but are deliberately going along to get along.

    What does this have to do with state sovereignty????? A great deal, actually … and the reason is that if a state refuses federal subsidies, it must also stop the hemoraging of money being transferred out of state via federal income tax to make up the difference. But there is a problem … state income tax taxes the exact same liability as does federal income tax … that is, state income tax taxes the exact same privilege, which is federal employment. Again, use an SSN on the job and you have made yourself a federal employee for tax purposes. So as long as a state government collects a state income tax, it is a partner in crime with the federal government. A state with a state income tax has a vested interest in allowing the federal govt. to come in and plunder its people via FICA and federal income tax, because that puts money in the state coffers as well. And that brings us to the solution, points 2 and 3.

    Point 2 … a state that wishes to assert sovereignty over the federal govt. must repeal its income tax. That does away with the commonality of interest with the federal govt. in raping the people.

    Point 3 … to stop the collection of federal income tax from within the borders of a given state, a state needs to pass a law that would require a plain language full disclosure anytime anyone anywhere for any reason within the borders of that state asks for a Social Security Number. The disclosure statement would have to be both oral and in writing, to be initialled off point by point, signed by both parties, and witnessed by a third. The disclosure would have to fully disclose any and all liabilities, including tax liabilities incurred via the use of an SSN. If someone was stupid enough to use an SSN after a full dlsclosure of that nature then let them.

    Point 4 … just for fun … allow employers to charge employees stupid enough to participate in Social Security a book keeping fee of up to 95% of their paycheck for withholding.

    Pete

    • Smilee

      No state in the United States is a sovereign state, that would mean they are not a part of the United States and the equivalent to a foreign country. Did all this come to you in a bad dream as you clearly have no understanding of either our government or Constitution.

    • old hillbilly

      surely, you’re twittering from another planet

      • Smilee

        Apparently you lack the abulity to try to refute what I say instead you just come back with this stupid respose

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Smilee, so sensitive…get a grip…you really think his response was directed at you? OK! LMAO! Still LMAO!

    • James

      It is true that if a State accepts a federal handout, they are bound by the strings attached. That’s how the feds got control over the States, beyond the powers that were delegated to the national government.

  • old hillbilly

    The Constitutional is locked into the covenants as written or formally changed as written according to the amendments process by ratification of the states. We have lost those inalienable Rights and our freedom because we believe in the forked tongue of man, who swears to uphold and defend those covenants as a condition of office; then turns around and subverts that which is unconditionally written in the covenant! It’s an evil process dating back to beginning of the Bible! Who said what, when, or where is irrelevant to the incredibly few easily understood words in the covenant. The arguments end when man is restricted to written words they swore by oath to uphold and defend, instead of deceptive opinion or thought not specifically enumerated within the covenants. Any official, judge, or oath taker who breaches that oath must be impeached and prosecuted to the fullest extent of law, as appropriate.

    Wizards and elitists dance around walls of fire, but none act to extinguish it. Pick the rottenest apple and shove it down corruption’s throat. ID Theft claims maybe $50 billion and 10 million victims plus countless family members each year. Countless millions of citizens pay over $120/yr to protect their IDENTITY, while our government officials puff up like toads crapping on a lily pad, chirping freedom and Constitution! By definition NO ID theft victim is a party to or has knowledge of an agreement or debt demanded by the predatory lenders who make those claims! Ask an ID theft insurer, what can happen to you if you don’t buy their “protection” – it’s as bad as it gets! Predatory global banks destroy family, life, wealth, and anything else you cherish, without due process and with contempt of Constitutional rights that magically disappear in dealing with federal courts, the FTC, district attorneys… because international banks enjoy constitutional immunity. International banking predators can wantonly attack, kill, and void your Constitutional rights; and by preeminence, block any state and local protection you might otherwise have! The choice is scourging, impeachment, and prosecution or more mayhem.

    Constitutional issues (564 simple words c/c) – written for the people… not elitist deceivers:
    IV. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    V. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
    VI. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
    VII. In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
    IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    XIV. Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    CONSTITUTION: Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
    Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

  • Smilee

    MY RESPONSES:

    1. Banning Health Insurance Mandates

    Last fall, 66 percent of Ohio voters and a majority of every single political demographic, approved Issue 3: the Ohio Health Care Freedom Amendment. This State Constitutional Amendment says that “no law or rule shall compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer, or health care provider to participate in a health care system.”
    Ohio is the 10th state to pass something along these lines, and six other States are considering similar measures already this year. { MY RESPONSE: IF THE SC FINDS THAT THE HEALTH CARE BILL’S LAW AND MANDATE IS CONSTITUIONAL THEN ALL YOU SAY HERE AND WHAT OHIO AND OTHERS HAVE DONE WILL BE TOTALLY IRRELEVANT AND ANY LAWS ALREADY MADE WILL BE THEN NULL AND VOID} EVERYONE PAYS MEDICARE BY PAYROLL TAX DEDUCTIONS TO PAY FOR TOTALLY FOR PART A AND PART OF PARTS B AND C AND I’M SURE THEY LOOK AT THIS AS WELL} I DO NOT WHAT YOUR EXPERTISE IN CONSTITUIONAL LAW IS BUT A LOT OF THOSE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE THINK IT WILL MEET CONSTITUIONAL MUSTER.
    .
    3. Advancing Constitutional Money

    With the economy coming apart at the seams, a growing number of people would like to see Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution followed. It states that “No State shall…{MY RESPONSE: these dots contain words that say in part ”No State shall Coin Money”} make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.” { MY RESPONSE: Art I , Sec 8 say in paragraph 5 “The Congress shall have the power to…….To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;} YOU TOTALL DISTORT WHAT THE CONSTITUION MEANS WITH REGARD TO OUR MONEY.

    MY RESPONSE: You raise a lot of points that simply are not correct and your ideas of what you see as corrections will never happen as they will not stand constitutional muster, it is all wishful thinking on your part.

    • FreedomFighter

      Action nor Inten to deceive, will not always work, esp after debate.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Besides yourself, who else really cares what Smilee thinks?

      • DaveH

        Not I.

  • DavidL

    i have news for you. The tenth Amendment is the least the conservatives attending their union meeting (CPAC) know anything about. There are a whole range of issues that conservatives know nothing about, but yet think they do.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Really? I mean Really? Yer so smart, why don’t you tell the board how smart you really are while yer at it!

      • Raggs

        You better look up the word “smart” for dave.

    • DaveH

      I know that Liberals are thieves. And I know that if they don’t respect other peoples’ property, they probably don’t have much in the way of morals at all. The regular lying by Liberals on this board therefore doesn’t surprise me a bit.

  • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

    Good stuff Michael!! Speaking of “happening right now”. I’m calling on all of my Liberty blogger’s to spent just 1 hour a month blogging on MSM site’s such as Cnn’s “this just in” and Fox’s “happening right now”. I beleive it is our duty as caring American’s to take part in these sessions to school alot of the (I struggle not to call them idiot’s) uninformed commentors who continue day in and day out to preach their MSM agenda’s and influence the rest of the peoples that follow these blogs and regurgitate them at the water cooler as facts. I beleive if we do this then WE can be the voice at the water coller and then we can actually help perpetuate this significant change that most of us here know is coming. SHARING IS CARING! Thanx.

    • FreedomFighter

      I only have so much time, but a couple of hours a week, OK

      Sunshine kills trolls, here comes the sun!

      You know that you know, that you know that you know, ya know.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        I know FF…..I know.

  • tgeer

    Findlaw.com has a much more coherent, and accurate, description of the 10th Amendment. It, also, has the SC rulings for it. You might want to read it. It’s not quite what your are saying it is.

    BTW, Case Law is something that has been definitively settled and is used as the basis for other rulings.

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment10/01.html

    • Raggs

      I have a problem with that.. Law should be unbiased on all levels, however… I had to input however… It is a fact that it is used in bias so our constitution means ditty in the hands of “they call themselves the elite” Am I correct? They simply make it up as they see fit… What form of law is a tool to make up what is concieved at a momments notice?… Create a threat.. convince the sheep of the threat and then… control the sheep… Do I make myself CLEAR?

    • old hillbilly

      The proble isn’t the Tenth, or the specific simple words in it,,, it’s a runaway supreme court that legislates, a legislature that doesn’t enforce that which it passes and “refuses to pass”, and a nation that of lemmings that will not condemn and prosecute corruption!

  • Randy Brasch

    Interesting article that makes some good points about the separation of powers that was intended between the Federal Government and the States. However, such an article espousing Constitutional principles shouldn’t include statements in direct conflict with the Constitution. Read Section 8, Powers of Congress. They’re the ones who can coin money.

  • Raggs

    It SHOULD be obvious that at in this time in America that nobody has what was once known as an “idividual liberty”… We are facing a facist “collective liberty”… I tried to warn you people and now you are finding that your booty is now up against the wall…. I told you that obama is a VERY EVIL man, but you hissed at me.
    I will also tell you now that when gasoline grows to above $4 per gallon it will stay there with mid summer being well above $4.65 with only a mild decline of the 2012 winter drop of $4.15 average. Gasoline will never drop below the $4 mark again regardless of what you call as a “prez”… king obama has sold out our country so it is what you get…. Iran is nothing but a smoke screen to hide the fact that our loser in the whitehouse is a sick puppy that does in no mention of the word deserves to be anything but worm food…. So here we are with a police state… so what are you going to do with yourself when you cannot eat oreos in bed?

    • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

      Unfortunately I think we all know that the loss of personal liberties started loooong before Obama. Bush (patriot act) and all the way back to the war of 1812. I definately don’t like Obama but unless we get someone else in office besides Ron Paul then the continuance of illegal wars, centralized banking and the mafia brownshirt organizations such as the ci@, fda so on and so on will continue. “It’s no coincidence that the century of total war coincided the the century of central banking”.~Ron Paul

      • Raggs

        Mr. Paul has to man up one.
        I like Ron Paul and God knows he is better than some of the dingle berries that we have not much of a choice in…. Tell the man to grow up and bite the head off of king oblama and I will be more than happy to vote for him. I think that the public preception of Ron Paul is that of a “softy”… Tell the man to buck up.. Tell the man to shame obama ( which shouldn’t be hard )… I want ANYONE but obama and so now you have it.

  • Buck

    i agree that RON PAUL is the only choice we have , but how do we get him past the destroyers in the demon rats , the rhino rats and the treasonous MSM .

    • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

      Like I’ve said, we’ve got to go on other blog sights and spread the word to the uninformed that post stupidity and frequent those sights like Fox’s “happening now” and Cnn’s “this just in”. Someone has to do the dirty and mix it up with those guys. It’s not fun (ok, sometimes it is) but someone’s gotta do it. If not they just keep quoting each other therfore beleiving what each other is fact. It’s actually pretty sad to see so many people spewing out so much of the same crap, actually believing it and the patting each other on the back. On ALL the MSM sights.

      • old hillbilly

        you’re right on… but we must perservere & hold the rats to truth… never been easy now or thousands of years ago

  • USN/USMCR 1950-1960

    I hear much talk about the Constitution and how we should “fire” the present government under it’s authority. Will someone please tell me where in the Constitution that authority if found?
    If you look at the Declaration of Independance, second paragraph, that is where you will find what you are looking for, and it may just be high time we do just that.

    • Raggs

      I prefer to die fighting than to be a slave and so that is how it will be for me.
      It is an individual freedom and not a collective freedom as they wish for you to think. The government does NOT control my freedom.
      So you have to make your own decision…

  • simian pete

    The Constitution is dead. It’s was murdered by the American voters. I really enjoy listening to all of you Constitutional ‘scholars’ .. If only the majority of the American voters had half the ‘smarts’ of you pro-Constitution folks ! We wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now.

    The United Nations will eventually have the same control as the Federal government. It will probably be done by ratified Treaty, limiting the Constitution’s Bill of Rights.

    I just don’t see any hope. It’s always the same song and dance but a different tune .. The so-called “leaders” that want to “restore the Constitution” always end up getting a lot of followers, who are always disappointed later on ! .. Let me give you one example – Rush Limbaugh.

    Back in the 1990′s Rush kept all our hopes up (God Bless you Rush !) during the Clinton years ! But now we don’t really hear any support for Ron Paul. Rush probably reached his limit and cracked just like Michael Savage( God Bless youu , Michael !) is going thru ! Reaching his limit and cracking ! The American voters are responsible ……

    Look at Bill O’Reilly ! He use to be against the power elite many years ago !!! But what did the voters do ? They don’t pay attention — the voters are “willfully ignorant” just like in Romans Chapter 1 in the Bible…

    The American voters just keep on voting benefits to themselves. It’s totally insane !
    Now the Tea Party and the Ron Paul supporters are persuaded to vote for whoever wins the Republican Party nomination.

    Enough becomes enough ! If the middle class voters keeps choosing the PATH of Expediency, the fix is in. Their just is going to be a lot more talk about the right thing to do … but no voter wants to “tow the line” ..

    I guess the only hope we have, except for the Second Advent of Jesus, is to break up into private economic units. In other words, use boycott against those economic interest who try to enslave us. Develop Cooperative economic units that are financially independent, based on a gold standard, that’s capitalistic.

    A good book to read on this strategy is “The Sovereign Individual” written by Davidson and Rees-Mogg…..

  • GRusling

    Unfortunately, with the Obama administration revising the rules for Military pay, retirement and benefits, more and more military men and women with over ten years service are just getting out, forgetting about their goals of retirement because it simply isn’t worth it. The risk, the danger and 20 years of hard labor simply won’t be paying off for them, in any reasonable way.

    No, our Military is not comprised of “Wild Cowboys” who are just begging for a good fight and a chance to “kill the enemy!” They’re simply patriotic Americans, willing to spend many years of their young lives serving their country, in the hope that their training and experience will pay off when they’re older. Take away that incentive and they make different calculations. When there’s no “payoff” down the line, who wants to spend all that time away from their family, risking life and limb on a daily basis (which they do) for a bunch of people who don’t appreciate their efforts?

    “For God and Country” is a great rallying cry, but it won’t motivate many young people when they see no future payoff from the “COUNTRY” they may need to die for. They understand that their reward from “GOD” will come in the afterlife, but where is the reward from the men and women they’re protecting?

    Obama is reducing our Military by stripping out the benefits from military service. As those benefits disappear, so will the brave, bright young men and women who are willing to take risks now for benefits down the road, leaving only the “Cowboys” and dullards who aren’t smart enough to figure out they’re simply being “USED” by Washington Politicians, for their own personal benefit…

  • Edward Frye

    This is great. Every State should be implimenting the very same thing. We have to let the Federal Government know where we stand and take away the abusive power of Washington and it’s administration. I wonder what Texas is doing.

  • http://yahoo joe matovich

    daveh if their where no draft in 1940 you and me would be doing the goose step and wearing ugly brown shirts. if your a coward and afraid to fight for your country or against an illegal government just say so don’t try to camoflage it.
    We absolutely need the draft back that whould put fear back in washington. you wouldn’t see generals like betrayUS in command. of anything except a desk in DC.

    • Edward Frye

      It’s apparent you haven’t been to war or you wouldn’t be supporting a draft. We don’t need a draft to support Tyranny and Occupation in other countries. We need people to voice through petition, organization, and protest. We need people to investigate before they vote and we need a fair, and free electorial process. We need to rid government of lobbyist and unelected positions in government. Not wanting to fight dosen’t mean one is afraid to fight. If it comes down to that I’m sure our patriots will respond in greater numbers than before. We need to awaken the world to what is happening. We need to rid the world of those that have appointed themselves God and in charge of it. It starts with making Government powerless to make decisions without support of the people. It starts by creating a honest media and true journalism. When we get the money out of Government and politics we will have a better society. Remember when people fear govenment you have Tyranny. When the government fear the people you have liberty. It starts here in America with you and me. Vote for change and get the present Administration out of office from the Congress, Senate, and Presidency. We need new blood and we need more people to pay attention to Government and less attention to what is on TV tonite. If they don’t start caring we won’t have anything left to care about. Wake People UP, we can’t do it alone.

      • http://krocksradioone.com RFBurns

        So correct! Vote for those who really do intend to serve the people, and not spend so much time voting on Hollywood wannabe’s flashed on the tv screens.

        It is every citizens DUTY to stand up to corrupt government and threats to this nation, foreign AND domestic. It is written in the Constitution. The Constitution is the law of the land. The Constitution is the foundation of what the United States of America is built upon.

        Allow the foundation to be chipped away piece by piece and what is on that foundation will come crumbling down, with everyone inside along with it.

        RFB

  • Thinking About

    When I see some of interpertations of amendments I marvel of the wisdom of our forefathers early planning. As much as the decision of Supreme Court which has provided corporations have freedom of speech and an opening to superpacks, thank goodness we have a system of wiser heads interperting our Constitution. Radical movements are like cancer, it erodes our freedoms, just because we are entitled to freedoms of decisions does not entitle radical thoughts to be crammed down our throats. I does not make good decisions to change the Constitution when an amendment does not allow radical moves.

  • Jerry Long

    Longinthetooth asks:

    Help me out Tenther’s. The 10th Amendment says: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    It seems to me that the Founders purposely separated power into three distinct entities: the United States (Fed’s), the States, and the People. Now, if the Fed’s trample on the Constitution, and the States will not push back to stop them in their tracks, do we, and if so, in what form, have the power vested in the Constitution to remedy the situation? I’m thinking of something “Official”. Something we can construct and declare “Official”. I’m thinking of something like a “People’s Constitutional Law Review Board”. Maybe a county wide selection process – not an election. We need to stay away from State entanglements. The county selections can work with local (i.e. Sheriff’s) entities. They could also meet at the state level to declare a broader will.

    This is not my exclusive idea. I have seen at least two other mentions of something like this; one from Thomas Woods, Jr., whose book “Nullification”, I had him sign. Saying “No” is fine. But having a lot of people, through their proxy, say “No”, is a whole lot more powerful. We need a way to make them listen and our election cycles seem to be too far and too few in between. Remember, we have power given to us by the Constitution. If our government will not operate within the bounds of their delegated powers, and will not restrain themselves, why should we not utilize our Constitutional power to restrain them. It’s time to take off the gloves! What do you think ? Help me out!

    • Edward Frye

      I’m all for it. I’m not a lawyer but that is the way I understand it. We would have to have a declaration put together by someone a lot more literate than me. I’m in Texas where are you?

      • Jerry Long

        Hey Edward,

        Thanks for responding. I am in Florida. Yes, I know; it will take some serious planning and organizing. But all good things are worth the effort.

        I think, ultimately, it will be the people who will have to fix this mess. I will continue to give this some thought and start making notes along the way. If you have any ideas at all, please let me know. This is how this kind of thing begins.

        Thanks again!
        Jerry

    • mac

      I have been led to believe that the third party is not “the people” but the Supreme Court – the “Peoples’ Constitutional Law Review Board.”,

      In practice, the force to the SCOTUS decisions lies in getting congress to rewrite the laws to comply with the constitution. This is a slow process, and especially with today’s “I want it NOW!” populace, it seems even slower. But worse is a congress which is too afraid to act in a timely manner. I would say that in essence there are too many Representatives to be effective. Maybe reducing the number of Representatives would help? Somebody should run the numbers, see if that would be detrimental to the “balance of powers” as envisioned in 1776,

      • Jerry Long

        Mac, what has led you to believe that the Supreme Court is a separate power entity? The 10th Amendment does not mention the Court per se. It is, of course, simply a part of the Federal Government. Let the 10th say what it says! Then start thinking of the possibilities! Anyone want to run the numbers on the possibilities of reducing the number of Representatives? The Representatives represent us, the people! Do you think we have too much power now?

    • James

      Jeff, The Tenth Amendment just says that the only powers that the national government has are those enumerated in Article I, Section 8. All other powers are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Basically, the power over rights are reserved to the people, while the States have the rest. For example, every Americana citizen has the right to bear arms. The Second Amendment is an absolute bar against federal infringement on that right, while the States have police power over it.
      The Bill of Rights, essentially, bars federal legislation over rights. It was added because many Founders thought the federal government might misconstrue its powers to include rights, and they certainly have done that with its power to regulate interstate commerce, by banning shipment, in commerce, of certain types of firearms.

      • mac

        “… the federal government might misconstrue its powers to include rights, and they certainly have done that with its power to regulate interstate commerce, by banning shipment, in commerce, of certain types of firearms.”

        Banning certain types, and tightly controlling all other types.

        • Edward Frye

          And now they are trying to push a small arms bii that is proposed by the UN. What the hell is going on and since when does the UN govern the USA.

          • mac

            Ed said “…What the hell is going on and since when does the UN govern the USA.”

            Since the Clintons gave the UN authority over our national parks back in the 1990s:
            http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA521.html
            “In 1995, the World Heritage Committee designated Yellowstone National Park a ‘World Heritage Site in Danger’ after the New World Mine was proposed on a mix of private and public land three miles from the park. A coalition of environmental groups claimed that the mine’s operation – which would have provided 280 jobs in a site containing an estimated $650 million of gold and other minerals – would pollute streams leading into the park.

            “The Clinton Administration allowed U.N. bureaucrats to enforce a 12-million-acre ‘buffer zone’ around the 2.3-million-acre park. In the end, what should have created revenue cost U.S. taxpayers $65 million in compensation costs for a government buyout that closed the mine and paid for its cleanup.”

          • Edward Frye

            Thanks for the info. All the more reason for us to get out of the UN. They are pushing this global agenda so hard it’s pethetic. The one good thing it is really helping to WAKE PEOPLE UP. Thanks again.

  • Mikkey11111

    I can’t believe what is written in here about the military. As, not just a vet, but a combat vet I take the oath I took those many years ago (sorry, not gonna disclose my age) very seriously. And here is what that oath was/is….” to protect the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic…”

    I also am astounded by the poor memories that everyone here has shown…

    Back in the mid-eighties we were literally 1/2 an hour away from a coup, which was organized by some very senior officers. The coup was quietly put down, but the word had spread thru the ranks like wildfire. In fact, many bases were deeply divided and soldiers on both sides of the issue were preparing for battle. All they needed was the word and the natiion’s 2nd civil war would go red.

    Basically, what I am stating in this is that it is ultimately up to the US military to be the last line of defense to protect the constitution. Even if that should mean that they oust the sitting politicians so that new ones could be elected. If the citizen’s don’t stand up and defend the very basis of our way of life we will be forcing the best of our generation to go into harms way and do it for us! A military coup is the very last resort to restoring the constitution! Let’s not let this situation go that far!!!

    • Edward Frye

      I’m with you on that one. Being a vet over 60 y/o I don’t want it to come to that. The people are making strides in getting liberty restored. Many petitions and protests, letters and emails, phone calls and blogs like these are sending a good message. You have states now moving against the federal government on NDAA and I think we will win out in a peaceful manner, yet I am always at the ready just as many patriots. Keep your head down and your eyes and ears open and always remain locked and loaded.

    • HKaufman

      Bingo, Mikkey i put in 34 years, viet nam vet 3 tours, the first GULF WAR,last campaign Desert Storm, unfortunetly the RHETORIC may be from those who have never served a day in a military environment. No matter what one post, there are the THUMB DOWNERS GUILD posting all sorts of nonsense…OOOH RAH…..

      • Edward Frye

        I have noticed that myself, I had to set one of my neibors straight whom has never served but is strongly opinionated about Iran. I have to admire your 34 yrs. especially after VietNam. It’s tuff to keep going when you know your only being used and the outcome really dosen’t matter only the expenditure.

    • James

      Mikkey, I couodn’t agree more. Back when our Middle East military adventures were starting to enlarge, several high rank military officers opted for retirement, rather than be a part of something they disagreed with. One wonders what would have happened if those top generals had simply told the President, what he was doing was unconstitutional and that they were not going to obey him.

      • Edward Frye

        I’m hoping there are some of those Generals left. I hope they have enough balls to tell it like it is, and command others to stand down when it comes to a situtation like that.

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  • James

    There are people in our federal government who want us to be subservient to the United Nations. Hillary Clinton is one, and our President is another. When he invaded Libya he did so solely on the authority of a U.N. Resolution. Constitutionally, the President only has power to introduce our armed forces into hostilities if the U.S. is attacked. Otherwise there must be a congressional declaration of war, or other statutory authorization.
    And as long as Americans don’t protest that to their congressmen, the more control the U.N. will have over us.

  • Edward Frye

    When the majority of congress gets some balls and starts impeechment proceedings that kind of BS will come to a halt. When you have 93% of congress bought and paid for it’s pitiful. Wake people up and get the prostitutes out of congress.

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