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The Taxes Are Too Darn High

February 23, 2012 by  

Wayne Allen Root examines President Barack Obama’s 2013 budget and finds $1.5 trillion in new taxes. Root then sets out to prove that Obama is committing “tax fraud” by claiming that taxes are too low. In reality, they are too darn high. Obama has an agenda: to tax us until it hurts, leaving us with fewer dollars to fund conservative or capitalist causes.

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle Class Wayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

    This is the first time I’ve ever heard Wayne speak. I love the info! So many politicians try and spin the truth and try to fool us into thinking that they are for “the people”. There is an awakeining going on in this country and around the world. The elitist’s are getting scared and trying to break this country and once again shift world powers to another regime that can be manipulated, fooled and once again be indebted to the world banking system. They may succeed in breaking us but when push comes to shove, we will not turn against our fellow man but against the system that put us there.

    • FreedomFighter

      I have to agree Mr. Root,

      “Obama knows it”

      The entire scheme is to rob Americans blind under false pretense, take our land thru Agenda 21 and pack us into population dense cities under police state controll. In doing so, destroy the constitution, our rights, liberty and freedom to create the totalitarian state, where you dont own property, its owned by the state or corps, you work were told, make what is given, and die when told – Obama Care

      All using our own money to do it.

      The most important task for the American People in the last 200 years is the removal of Obama from Office, if we fail America falls into the ant heap of totalitarianism and hell hole of dictatorship.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://gravatar.com/pepper701 pepper701

        Thank you Freedom fighter! I hadn’t gotten around to posting that. Agenda 21 is taking our land, wealth and freedom. I am fighting the local system here in San Berdardino County California. It starts with your County Supervisors office and the planning department. Rosa Koirie(?) wrote the book “Behind the Green Mask”. She is actually a liberal democrat. But it comes down to this. No matter what side of the political fence you are on, or side issues you have, IF ” AGENDA 21″ is allowed to continue, YOU and I will have NO choices or freedoms PERIOD. She is fighting the Agenda 21. I’m always happy to see good people no matter what party fight the important issues.” AGENDA 21″ and the people implementing it IS part of the MAIN ROOT or Head of the snake to be dealt with to fix MOST all of our problems. Once you understand the agenda, you start to know the “whys” and the “whos”. Thank you for bringing that forward!!

      • Mike in MI

        Right,Freedom Fighter! -
        Not only those things above but people better get used to the idea forwarded by Obama in the last two weeks that he is ready to substitute his ideas about “religion”, “morality”, “ethics” and basic right and wrong on all of us. What he did over the “contraception” vs “the Catholic Church” move signals his intent to impose his idea of “what ought to be” regardless of what anybody else holds as moral or godly or ungodly or anything else. Face it, he is setting up a “government religion” with beliefs by decree. What we are heading for, unless he is stopped, is back into the dark ages where the government and the state religion acted in concert against (or upon) the subjects. He is erecting, or will do so, a wall between “Government Religion” and “your religion (whatever kind of philosophy you hold)”. You will not be a citizen under such a regime you will be a subject.

      • http://Jac Sha

        Let me ask a question. Would it be so bad if we didn’t have a Federal government? Can’t we fire them all and start over? After all, they do work for us, right? Let’s throw them out! We could all agree to meet in WA-DC and march into the “House” & tell him he’s been recalled and fired. I don’t think they could stop a “million man march” on fixing this country….

      • Hey You

        Bad?? It would be great to have no federal government. It would save us from unthinking, arbitrary rules and requirements which do nothing. The USA is on the edge of bankruptcy, if not functionally bankrupt already. There is no need to rules, regulations and other petty laws which are meaningless and highly costly.

        My guess is that this entire house of cards will come tumbling down during the presidency of the next person to hold office. A nation in debt to the tune of (how many?) trillions of dollars will survive only as long as the air doesn’t escape from the big ballon. It’s always happens, so get ready; one – two – three — POP!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Totally agree with you, Freedom Fighter. But take it one step further. The evil, lying, stealing one is going to further agenda21 by getting us into a nuclear war with iran. That way, he and all the elite can hide out in the underground shelters that WE paid for and when it is over, the population will be reduced to where they want it and they can start over without the rest of us. I believe that prayer is the only thing that can save us. I don’t think we’ve ever had to face such evil before. He is directly from satan. And those of you who don’t think so??? You will be faced with the truth soon enough.

      • Henry Fofang

        Only people like you create hate and spread wrong information. What has anyone taken away from you that you want to take back. i don’t hear from you when we went to war in Iraq and since then we lost more that 5,000 Americans, 20,000 Amputees and how many billions have we wasted in Iraq? The Republican advocate Government to stay away from Peoples lifes but in Virginia the Republican Governor wants to put a probe in a womans virgina in the name of preventing arbotion.What ever happen to the Government to stay away from our lifes??? Should’nt that decission be left for the woman to make not male clergy?.

      • Void1972

        I copyed this off this site two years ago, and it seems it will never get old!

        Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
        Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
        Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
        You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.
        You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
        You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
        You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
        You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
        One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
        I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
        I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million Dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

        Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

        What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. The president can only propose a budget.
        He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

        The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

        It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility if not treason. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
        If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
        If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red ..
        If the Army &Marines are in IRAQ, it’s because they want them in
        IRAQ
        If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.
        There are no insoluble government problems.
        Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.
        Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
        Preserve the Constitution of the United States of America!

        Those 545 people and they alone, are responsible.
        And should be held accountable! When regular citizens break the law, they go to jail, as should all of those elected officials who have sold America and our people to a Communist nation.
        Every elected official who has been part of this scheme to destroy America must be held accountable.
        The list is long, but it’s not too late to bring them to justice. Any elected official past and present that has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations should be brought to trial for treason!
        Every member of the CFR is responsible for our current crisis, and that is where our battle begins.

        They, and they alone, have the power.
        They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.
        Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
        We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess! Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper. What you do with this article now that you have read it………. Is up to you.

        This might be funny if it weren’t so darned true.

        Be sure to read all the way to the end:

        Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table At which he’s fed.

        Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes Are the rule.

        Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts Anyway!

        Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat. Tax his ties, Tax his shirt,
        Tax his work, Tax his dirt.

        Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think.

        Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries Tax his tears.

        Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ass.

        Tax all he has Then let him know That you won’t be done Till he has no dough.

        When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He’s good and sore. Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he’s laid.
        Put these words Upon his tomb, Taxes drove me to my doom…’

        When he’s gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply The inheritance tax.
        Accounts Receivable Tax, Building Permit Tax, CDL license Tax, Cigarette Tax

        Corporate Income Tax, Dog License Tax, Excise Taxes, Federal Income Tax
        Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
        Fishing License Tax
        Food License Tax
        Fuel Permit Tax
        Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
        Gross Receipts Tax
        Hunting License Tax
        Inheritance Tax
        Inventory Tax
        IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
        Liquor Tax
        Luxury Taxes
        Marriage License Tax
        Medicare Tax
        Personal Property Tax
        Property Tax
        Real Estate Tax
        Service Charge Tax
        Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Sales Tax

        Recreational Vehicle Tax
        School Tax
        State Income Tax
        State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
        Telephone Federal Excise Tax
        Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
        Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
        Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
        Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
        Telephone State and Local Tax
        Telephone Usage Charge Tax
        Utility Taxes
        Vehicle License Registration Tax
        Vehicle Sales Tax
        Watercraft Registration Tax
        Well Permit Tax
        Workers Compensation Tax
        STILL
        THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
        What in the hell happened? Can you spell ‘politicians?’
        And I still have to ‘press 1′ for English!?
        I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100 times!!! YOU can help it get there!!!
        GO AHEAD – - – BE AN AMERICAN!!!

      • Lee

        the Revolution will be a “Red Dawn” type of affair, but we will call it, “Red, White & Blue Dawn” because it will not be Russians we will be a fightin’. It won’t be the Nazi’s either. Most likely it will be the UN or Barry’s brown shirts. Keep your powder dry folks! “We the People” are just about ready to get busy.

    • Old Gringo

      Rev–who is going to come to the aid of the American People when they finally awaken and revolt against our tyrannical Government?

      • http://jjma4u.com Action Jackson

        This is true and it is coming very soon, I research when the revolution of the people will begin and it is starting to boil as we speak. So,to all you BIG bankers that stole our money, WE ARE READY AND WE HAVE AIRPLANES TOO……Just in case you retreat to your islands for safety, we will be right behind you. I just might be one of your pilots

      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        The same people that did in 1776. There’s alot more of us now.

    • Augie Bishop

      You are crazy!!! All of you that hate Obama would say negative talks about my President. All Republicans are trying to poison people’s minds, and for us to turn against Obama, it’s not going to happen. I voted for Obama and I will vote for Obama 2012. No one is going to make us charge our minds.

      • http://Jac Sha

        OMG! I am not a Republican and I wouldn’t vote for him to run my dog house, so let’s not use that tired old excuse…and ditto on that race card thing too. Voting out Obama is not about which “Party” he represents, it’s about how he is running this country, MY country, into the ground. The only people that want Obama in office are the ones living off the government handouts, and the government. Cause everyone else knows what he’s about and it ain’t right.

      • kkflash

        You are a lost cause, brain-washed and brain-dead. Obama is bankrupting the country, yet you blame it on Republicans. You liberals are just like lemmings, following the government spending crowd until you all fall off the cliff. Well, enjoy your handouts while you can, because the end is near.

      • 45caliber

        Sha:

        I agree. Sadly, Augie is like many who voted for Oblama without realizing what is going on. I am also an independent. Oblama has done nothing to help this country and a lot to harm it, both within the country and without. Let’s hope he is replaced at election time.

      • Hey You

        Best to forget Republicans vs Democrats. That’s a smoke screen. The problem is, as always, the federals.

      • catfish

        Stupid. Fair share is flat tax and that includes you, me and everyone else. Invading Iraq was a bipartisan decision, Extending unemployeement benefits past 26 weeks is theft from tax payers. Welfare is easily controlled, make them work up and down the nations highways doing whatever needs to be done, beautify america with resources available instead of giving it to them, Watch the welfare rolls decrease come August. Welfare is intended for people mentally and physically unable to work. Able bodied people, get off your ass. Quit waiting for a hand out.

      • 45caliber

        catfish:

        You are right. Many years ago now, there was a push to get welfare people working as highway repairmen. They hired about twenty in the area I lived in. Two months later (summer) only two were still working and one of those was going to quit to go to college.

        A town in Maryland tried this about 1965-70. They simply hired every person in town on welfare and put them to work picking up paper at minimum wage. Six months later there were only two in town still working at this. The rest had found better paying jobs.

        Were you aware that if you calculate out the amount a welfare recipient is getting that in most states they are being paid better than $8 an hour to sit at home? No wonder they laugh at those who work convenient store jobs or farm jobs!

      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        We are not interested in changing the mind of the brainwashed puppies blindly following their master. We are interested in giving facts to people that still have one braincell left of individuality and self thought. We are interested in spreading the word of enlightenment to those who choose to look at facts objectively and wish for a REAL change. One that is not just another empty campaign slogan. What will be his catchy phrase this year. I can guess it will sound something like this, “We must stay united as one if we are going to remain free of the clear and present threat that pursue’s as we speak.” (bomb’s falling in Iran and Syria). Please notice how I stayed away from the word “war”. WE WON”T BE FOOLED AGAIN! Paul/Napolitano 2012

      • gman

        I do not see anyone that supports Obama as having a mind to change. If you were standing in the rain you would deny it because you can not accept anything outside of your beliefs. Anyone that can not see Obama wanting to take this country down is definitely wearing blinders.

      • bigsky8

        (offensive comment removed)

      • Void1972

        Augie
        I know that nobody can change your mind, nor should want too, about voting for your choice of puppet, red or blue, black or white, they are all puppets of the bankers.
        The only politician that would fight the bankers is Ron Paul, and he does not stand a chance because these evil men control our entire media and news system in America.
        Please read on to understand who controls Obama, Bush, Clinton and 99% of our elected officials.
        This is where our fight must be aimed, and not at each other.
        Divide and conquer has worked for these evil men for many centuries now, and if we don’t understand the evil intent and destruction they are committed too, we will all perish very soon.
        The battle has never been about black or white, liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, it’s always been about good and evil, and the evil has been gaining much strength and momentum for the past two decades.

        The International Banking Cartel is the New World Order
        My belief in the existence of the New World Order centers around the activities, actions and writings of the members of the elite (mostly Anglo-American) inside the international banking cartel – which of course includes the Rockefeller and Rothschild families – over roughly the last century.

        This cartel, through their financing of two World Wars; the revolutions of Lenin/Stalin and Hitler, among others; the creation of the IMF, World Bank and other private “central banks” like the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England; as well as their backing of international organizations like the United Nations, World Health Organization, World Trade Organization has sought to control not only the purse strings of the governments of the world, but also the policies, laws and programs that those governments and agencies implement.
        Through their financing of both sides of wars (WWI and II, Cold War, War on Drugs, War on Terror, etc); their manufacture of financial crisis (Great Depression, the coming Greater Depression) and financing of ideological movements (eugenics/population control, feminism, communism, fascism, global warming, etc) the banking cartel has sought to undercut the political, economic and social sovereignty of nations around the world. As a result, their IMF, World Bank and other central bank proxies have managed to put nation after nation in massive debt to them. And as a result, they can further manipulate and control the governments (and citizens) of those nations to further enact their goal of a global government and banking system run – by them and for them – at the expense of all of humanity.

        IMO, the New World Order is not a Jewish thing, it’s not a religious thing, it’s not even solely a money thing (although money is its greatest weapon). It instead is a control thing. They banking elite want to be able to control the globe and everyone in it.

        However, as many who attempt to debunk the New World Order exists have said, nationalism and traditional political and ethnic hostilities have hampered the cartel’s quest for a one world government. Because of this, Russia, China and renegade states like Iran and Venezuela remain largely on the fringes of the NWO’s inner circle. Russia and China are both too big (unlike Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama) and potentially valuable to the cause to ignore or wipe out. But while political and economic relations exist between the western powers and the two outsiders; the potential for conflict with Russia and China in Eurasia or Africa remain very real.

        Throughout the last century, the countries and political leaders that refused to play ball with the banking cartel got their asses kicked. Unfortunately, in the post-WWII world, the United States (both covertly and overtly) has been doing most of the ass kicking for the cartel. And we are in debt up to our eyeballs and our Constitution is hanging by a thread because of it (more on that later). Of course, we see the lesser “outsiders” Iran and Venezuela cozy up to Russia and China and use it to their advantage to thwart the banking cartel’s attempts to have the U.S., or other pro-cartel, military force take them out.

        But, just as it was in the World Wars and the Cold War, the banking cartel benefits if any conflict (short of all-out thermonuclear war) takes place between major and even lesser powers. That’s because war – and the debt that follows it – makes them more money. And it also allows the cartel to step in and offer a “solution” for a peaceful future once hostilities are over, as they did with the United Nations and the Bretton Woods economic makeover after World War II.

        Of course the United Nations, through the corporate media, has largely been painted ineffective to this point. But that ineffectiveness is only on the surface. When it comes to controlling the third world via their population control, medical and economic programs – which are full of systematic graft and corruption – the success of the UN has been tremendous because they “control” the third world by keeping it in the political and economic sh—– while their resources are being stripped right out from under the very people the UN is supposed to be helping.

        But, as money is the NWO’s greatest weapon, and nationalism and traditional nation-state and religious strife is painted as a major threat to its goals (it’s not of course, because as Smedley Butler said “War Is A Racket”). The biggest threat to the New World Order and their aims is the belief of personal liberty and the political self-determination that comes with it; which has stemmed largely from the United States since we were still colonies under British control.
        That doctrine – which the whole of good humanity has aspired to and dreamed of for two centuries – and the future of what it entails is where We the People of the United States come in. What the banking cartel has been doing to other nations – engineered economic collapse via their economic hitmen and Wall Street jackals – is now being done to the United States. Our economy is being systematically destroyed through unprecedented debt via the private Federal Reserve. The goal – as it was in other countries who refuse to yield to global government – is to completely collapse the U.S. economy. Then – through the civil unrest and economic carnage that follows the collapse – install a centrally dominated, dictatorial government where, in the case of the United States, the Constitution and Bill of Rights no longer exist.

        You can see now through the corporate media how anyone who questions the government and their policies as being painted as a potential terrorist. Department of Homeland Security has labeled citizens on the left and right side of the political spectrum as threats. The Department of Defense has said that protest is terrorism. Opponents of the Federal Reserve system are labeled extremists or kooks. And the legislation aimed at exposing its agenda is being ignored, despite its overwhelming support on Capitol Hill and on Main Street. And once again, just as they did with the stimulus – the banking cartel is engaging in economic terrorism – promising total economic collapse if a full open audit of the Federal Reserve takes place.

        From the Patriot Act I and II, the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act – to the current Hate Crimes, Cap and Trade and Cyber Security bills in Congress – the banking cartel and their political whores in Washington D.C. and elsewhere in our nation seek to destroy our founding doctrine and put us under the thumb of the most oppressive, controlled and tax heavy government in American history.

        The longtime goal of the banking cartel and their agents in the U.S. government and corporate whore media is the total destruction of the American Republic. The cartel cannot complete their NWO agenda if We the People are running around touting our Constitution and Bill of Rights as a beacon of freedom for all of humanity to aspire to.
        The banking cartel hates the Constitution. They hate the fact that it says – in Article 1, Section 7, that only Congress has the power:
        “To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures”

        The banking cartel hates the 1st Amendment:
        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

        They hate the 2nd Amendment:

        “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

        They hate the 4th Amendment:
        “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

        They hate the 9th Amendment:

        “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

        They hate the 10th Amendment:

        “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”

        And they would really hate if we removed the 16th Amendment, which by the way is quite likely the only amendment they love:

        “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

        They banking cartel hates the Constitution and those who believe in it, because we stand together in direct opposition to everything they seek in the United States and worldwide. And they hate that for the last 200-plus years, every human being seeking freedom and a better way of life for themselves, their family and their respective countries have looked to the American Republic and our founding doctrine and dream that one day they too can bring “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” to their part of the world.

        As many of you know, former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan recently said on national T.V. that the Federal Reserve is above the law and answerable to no one including Congress.

        He said it, on national TV, just like Second National Bank of the United States chairman, Nicholas Biddle, wrote it back in the 1830’s (The following pages come directly from Arthur Schlesinger’s Pulitzer Prize winning book, “The Age of Jackson”).

        The Federal Reserve isn’t above the law. No one in the United States is above the law. And it will be up to We the People to restore the rule of law to our land and punish Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke and the rest of the banking cartel and political scum who have brought the United States to the brink of financial ruin.

        As trends forecaster Gerald Celente has stated:
        “The fight that this country has been waging since its inception is for the central bankers not to take over the country.”

        Thomas Jefferson warned of the central bank evils in 1791:
        “If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”
        IMO, the central bankers – both in the U.S. and abroad – are the New World Order. They began their third quest to take over our nation in 1913. And unless they are stopped and the private and criminal Federal Reserve is audited – so that we can expose in broad daylight where each and every dollar they have received since its inception has gone to – they will complete their takeover. If that happens, the United States and the world will collapse into the darkest period since the Great Depression/World War II, when the cartel crashed the world economy, bankrolled Adolf Hitler and led the world into the most deadly and, in their case, profitable war in world history.

        What would Andrew Jackson do?

      • Marten

        Are you a Natural Born Idiot????

      • Gary

        Your mind was already poisoned…and it didn’t take much.

      • Nanette

        Oh please, how brainwashed you are!!! We don’t hate Obama, he hates we the people! He is about power and staying there! He is a puppet of the extreme progressive left’s agenda! This is much bigger than you are told by main stream media! Obama is just the face of world domination!!! All the people that surround Obama are hard left fractions, including socialist, Marxist, Communist and progressive liberals! Dig and you will find the truth!

      • Lee

        Augie Bishop is THE PERSON (or model of the person) who we ALL must speak with and often about what they have done to America by voting in the pile known as Barack Obama/Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama Soebarkah.Harrison J. Bounel or Bari M. Shebazz. I would be the farm Augie would not trust any person off the street that had so many names, so why trust an unknown person with the presidency of the United States of America? The guy is MUSLIM. Go read the koran, Augie. Muslims are bound by Allah to act nice to infidels until the time Mohammed talls them it is time to kill us. Bari M. Shebazz is one of these people. So, either Augie is a muslim (and another Christian HATER) or just plain stupid

    • talkinbout
    • http://gravatar.com/pintomilo pintomilo

      omg. go live in a bunker

  • s c

    The Anointed Flimflammer has only one agenda? Wayne, do you mean a daily, weekly or a yearly agenda? Taxes are going up and will continue to rise. That much is obvious. Does that mean life gets better as taxes climb?
    If anybody has some info on how America’s ’57 states’ are coping with higher taxes, here’s your chance.
    So, at what point do we approach divine perfection (Chicago-style hog heaven?) if only taxes get so high that most Americans can’t afford to buy anything? I can’t help feeling that Mr. Flimflam isn’t telling us everything.
    When Flimflam fills up his vehicle at a gas station, does he ‘feel’ the higher gas price? When he shops at a grocery store, does his wallet feel a bit thin? When he has to turn down the heat at the W H because he can’t afford to be warm, does he think about higher taxes? Well, someone kindly butter my rump and call me a fricking biscuit.
    If we’re not being conned – again – it sure does seem that way. OK, utopians, tell us how good life is and how proud you are to know that ‘god’ is in the White House.

    • css

      Obama is the self-proclaimed ‘god’ who knows what’s best for everyone. ‘Ah, listen to me my little sheeple, I am here to help you work harder and pay more taxes, or jump to your deaths, for I am god and sheeples must listen to their gods.’
      In reality Obama is nothing but a worthless piece of dung who is doing everything in his power to get a second term in the Oval Office. He has to go, and yesterday would not have been a day too soon.
      Ron Paul has been screwed over by the media and if he doesn’t win he has to run as a third party candidate. If he doesn’t and either of the three stooges – Obama, Romney or Santorum – wins we’re going to have a clone of Obama because they’re all from the same establishment. THE WORLD WILL LOVE AMERICA IF RON PAUL WINS AND WE COULD ACTUALLY SEE PEACE ON THIS PLANET.

    • Warrior

      You nailed that one sc. And that is the question every American should be asking themselves, “Does life get better as taxes rise”? That’s beautiful!

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? Does life get any better with lower taxes?

        It did not seem too of most of us did it.

        I only point out that, that is a circular reasoning statement that while perhaps sounding good, offers us very little understanding.

      • DaveH

        Median Household Income in 1999 adjusted for inflation was $53,252.
        Median Household Income in 2010 adjusted for inflation was $49,445.
        That’s a loss of 7% in those 11 years, when in fact due to greater productivity brought on by the Internet and other recent technologies we should have had a dramatic gain.
        We don’t because Big Government is siphoning our money away faster than we can make up for their wasteful spending with increased productivity.

      • eddie47d

        That is a shame that the working man’s and woman have gone down so thanks for pointing that out. Yes the American laborer is receiving less for working harder and longer hours. Yet those upper incomes have increased their wages by 7% and even upward to 13% as of late last year. Considering that stocks shot up over the last two years I’m sure they made out even better.Thankfully unemployment went down and job growth went up in the last quarter but someone out there apparently isn’t pulling their weight or the economy would be doing much better. The Corporate tax rate should be lowered to invigorate businesses but individual tax rates for the owners (those 1% who are taking those big salary increases). should go up. Although that may only be symbolic it’s time they realize their free ride is over. Their gluttony has been exposed and called out and they can’t keep taking without giving back.

      • 45caliber

        Deer:

        If it didn’t seem that life was better to you when taxes were lower, it must be that you are one of those that doesn’t pay taxes in the first place.

        It was certainly better at my place with lower taxes. I could afford to get a few extra or better things for my kids…

      • John

        And if we lower the taxes, who do you think will complain first, the people in the inner city or the mostly conservative voting rural people that have to drive to work on roads that fall apart, bridges that being closed, have to deal with fire departments that get cut, schools that get cut, services that get more expensive, fees, and tolls that will be implemented locally to offset the loss in official taxes…?
        Cutting Taxes without looking at the other issues is useless. Or are you the people that want to tell the construction companies and all the associated companies and contractors that work with the state and federal government they have to cut workers, reduce salaries, and make less profit all so that YOU can save a penny on your taxes? Reducing government, services and taxes will not work unless you reduce the average wages in this country. It is expensive to maintain the level of infra structure and services we have reached. Are you willing to tell you neighbors and friends that they lost their jobs because you did not want to pay your taxes? Taxes do a lot more then only feed the government and government workers. They are one of the engines for our society. Millions depend on contract work, construction work, and depend on the workers (private and government ) spending the money they earn through their labor in their stores and businesses.
        You want to destroy whats left of this economy? Then by all means cut taxes during a time of economic stagnation and high unemployment. The few pennies that everyone keeps will not offset the loss of jobs, businesses and services.
        Because, one thing is for sure, UNLESS you change the government totally, none of the perks of the government, neither the size of the government, nor the military or foreign aid will be cut… It always is and will be the services and jobs that impact the community. And even governmental change has its perils, if we per chance would be able to disband the federal government and reduce its size to what some people believe would be small enough , would you want to deal with the resulting destruction of the economy in this country The millions of people that will be without jobs, the millions of small businesses and contractors that will go out of business as a result?would you be willing to deal with the destruction of this country? It will make the great depression look like child’s play.

        Because like it or not, reducing the government to its bare minimum takes either an act of the tooth fairy or a revolution, and because we all know that the tooth fairy does not exist, all that is realistically left is a uprising of the people. It will never be archived by political means, power corrupts and the people in government love the power they have, they will fight change and they do not care how much they have to suppress the people to get what THEY want. So whats left is a “revolution” . and yet, we are so interconnected with the rest of the world that whatever the US does will have consequences world wide. A collapse of the US government and economy, (the result of a revolution) would result in the collapse of the economies and possible governments of the western world and the void the US leaves ( it would be decades to overcome the damages that would result ) will be filled either by Russia, India or the Islamic world. China, because of the close connection with the US will itself be in turmoil and possible civil war.
        So, think about possible consequences before screaming we need to reduce taxes or we need to have a revolution…. because the possibility that the US will end up to be nothing but a 3rd world country in the future with no influence in this world is quite high. The possibility that Russia or the Islamic world would use the turmoil in the US to take over this country are pretty darn good.

      • BigBadJohn

        Dave,

        Median Household Income in 1999 adjusted for inflation was $53,252. – After 8 years of a democratic president who RAISED taxes.
        Median Household Income in 2010 adjusted for inflation was $49,445. – After 8 years of a REPUBLICAN president who CUT taxes.

        Just stating the facts……

      • Deerinwater

        “Deer:

        If it didn’t seem that life was better to you when taxes were lower, it must be that you are one of those that doesn’t pay taxes in the first place.”

        Why would you assume that? After 40 years of scratching, the last 2, I’ve done rather well, it’s true that every dog has his day in the sun. My tax responsibilities are great and I am current to 2010. I’m getting a haircut on 2011. I am still working on 2011 Federal. Anything else that you’d like to know? I wear boxers and employ a belt and spenders to afford me comfort and keep my pants up.

        If you made more you pay more, correct? When you make less, you pay less Correct?

        Of the two, I prefer the former as to the latter.

        While you’d seem to prefer to make more and pay less while acting shocked that the government has gone in the hole since you have been asked to paying less.

        well, we can both agree that government needs to go on a restricted diet, but you need to scratch these 11 years “wars to nowhere” off of you shopping list if no gains or booty is to be acquired from them. We need to quit subsidizing big business, we need to cutout a lot of Foreign aid. There is much that needs serious review and the major reason I like Ron Paul even though he’s profess personal liberties while denying women the same.

        There is something to be said for “pillage and plunder” but like good pirates, lets all share the load and the bounty or count me out. This old pirate is not interested, I gave at the “office”.

        Americans should be proud to pay their taxes, that they are not today, is more then just troubling and we need to get to the bottom of it and make it right. And too, make it possible that more can be able to contribute. We need jobs, we need private investment and it’s coming ever so slowly and never fast enough.

        But the fact that we managed to get in this current position, didn’t happen 3 years or 6 years ago but 30 years ago and some say longer then that.

        Whatever the cause, lets find it and fix it before it’s just too late.

      • DaveH

        BigBadJohn,
        They can posture all they want but Government spending has been going steadily up for the last 40 years. See chart:
        http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1950_2016USb_13s1li111mcn_F0t
        Whether they borrow the money, John, or tax us for it, it still comes out of our hides.

      • DaveH

        Regular John says “And if we lower the taxes, who do you think will complain first, the people in the inner city or the mostly conservative voting rural people that have to drive to work on roads that fall apart, bridges that being closed, have to deal with fire departments that get cut, schools that get cut, services that get more expensive, fees, and tolls that will be implemented locally to offset the loss in official taxes…?”
        Government spends almost twice as much now, as a percentage of GDP, than they did in 1950. And you know what, John? I think the roads are worse now. I sure don’t remember the roads having all the pot holes in the 60s, when I was a young driver, like they do now. And our students were coming out more educated then than they do now.
        When Government takes money from the efficient private sector and spends it in the inefficient public sector, there is a net loss in wealth (actual products and services).
        Even a Liberal, like yourself John, should be able to figure out why that is. The private sector is motivated by profits, so they work as efficiently as possible. The public sector is motivated by politics, so rather than casting their eyes in the direction of efficiency they typically are more concerned with buying votes. Also the public sector does not concern themselves much with efficiency because they have little to gain by keeping costs down since they know they typically can just tax us more or borrow from the Federal Reserve in which case the tax is a hidden tax (devaluation of our money).
        We can jawbone all day long about what works and what doesn’t work without ever coming to a common understanding, but nobody can deny actual Experience. Here are the real life results of Big Government:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking
        Study the countries at the bottom of the list to see what Bigger Government gets for the citizens.
        :

      • kkflash

        John, Deer,
        Here are some facts that I’m sure will confuse you:
        As a matter of record, the final Bush tax rates passed Congress in mid-2003, shortly after Republicans retook the Senate. From August 2003 to December 2007, over eight million net new jobs were created, and real GDP grew almost 3% per year. At that same time, federal revenues increased by 2.3% of GDP ($785 B), putting revenues above the average level of 1960-2000, the forty years before Bush. Unemployment fell to 4.4%, and the deficit fell to 1.2% of GDP. Such was the catastrophe of four years of Bush’s tax rates and Republican-written federal budgets.

      • Flashy

        Well Wayne…let’s see, has life gotten any better with any GOP tax cut since the 1980′s? Oh…wait a minute…the overall taxation of Middle America went up during those ‘glorious’ tax cutting years, while the wealthy and big Corporation tax bills went down.

        in the past 30 years, has Middle America seen more jobs created in balance with the deficits we ran and the monies raped from the coffers to increase the welahty’s welfre system?

        Has Middle America seen any increase in income?

        Has Middle America kept its influence over the course of this nation’s affairs?

        Is this Nation in a better position today than before the tax cust to the wealthy and Corporate America made since 1980?

        i am not advocating not cuting spending. All for it. let’s begin cutting those programs afecting those who can most afford it. The welfare system for the wealthy and Big Corproations. let’;s go back to the Cliton Era tax rates for upper incomes. Since that segment was hurting so badly in the 90′s…HA! …

        know what would occur if that was proposed? i’d venture we’d be deluged with a mass blitz that they can’t afford it. Doesn’t matter they were doing quite well with those in the 90s. uh uh … they’ll whine that they can’t afford it, and by gosh, we should cut those benefits to the Middle America segment. Bleed the Middle America more, they can still put bread (barely) on the table…let’s lower the quality of the stale bread ….

        Raise the rates on upper incomes to the Clinton era rates. ut spending beginning withthose programs of the welfare system for the wealthy and Big Corporate America. Leave Middle America alone.

        You disagree, object, or find fault with this?

    • Warrior

      Nailed that one sc. That is the question every American taxpayer should be asking themselves “Does life get better as taxes climb”?. Beautiful!

    • Raggs

      AH… sc… don’t be so hard on the almighty one in the white house.
      You have to remember that he doesn’t need to shop at a grocery store, pump gas in a vehicle or any of the other mundane everyday acts that we all preform, he can simply miracle things to happen..
      Now it’s time for the voters to miracle his sorry ( blip ) out of the white house.

      • eddie47d

        I don’t believe Obama is going anywhere come November. I would agree that all government officials should have their “credit cards” taken away and put on a strict diet!

      • 45caliber

        Raggs:

        Of course he has the power to miracle things. He doesn’t do it but it happens, right? That’s a miracle! I can’t wait until he leaves office and discovers that these “miracles” don’t happen any more and he has to do them himself again.

    • 45caliber

      sc:

      In answer to your questions: As long as he’s in the White House he doesn’t have to worry about such things. We taxpayers take care of all that for him.

  • Michael Borgerding

    Wayne, half of us are not paying any tax.

    • Deerinwater

      Half of us are not making any money so why should they?

      If you have a big hole to dig and 6 men and three shovels to do it with, what’s wrong with that picture?

      • Warrior

        Obviously the answer must be nothing because the 3 diggers need to be supervised. I see this everyday with gubmint workers!

      • DaveH

        Why are the half not making enough money to pay taxes? Why should anybody who doesn’t pay into the system get to vote for how that money is spent? Whose fault is it that they don’t make enough money to pay their fair share?

      • eddie47d

        Could be unmotivated people who only put out a minimum effort or it could be a business system that doesn’t pay a decent wage to get folks motivated.

      • 45caliber

        Warrior:

        If it is a government job, they have to have multiple layers of supervision – so much so that the other three men there would be supervisors and have other supervisors they report to.

        Deer:

        Remember, the other three are supervisors on any government job. So there isn’t a problem there at all…

      • 45caliber

        DaveH:

        The reason they aren’t paying into the system is because Congress made sure none of them have to pay anything. And, of course, their voters shouldn’t have to pay anything either or they wouldn’t be their voters.

      • Deerinwater

        When you start making over $12,000.00 per year most of us start paying taxes.

        If people are making less then that, they are not feeding and clothing and housing themselves much less paying any “FEDERAL” taxes.

        Most of us remember Jesus commit about the old woman that gave only a single mite to the church. He tells us that she gave more the all the rest, as she gave all that she had.

        It’s not too far fetched to apply this same understanding to people that have little to give today. While bearing in mind they do pay consumer taxes and indirectly property state, local, school and in some areas of the nation MTA taxes not to forget in some states state income tax.

        So, to say 50% of American pays no taxes is simply not correct.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So who is providing livelihood and goodies for the ones who don’t pay taxes? Keep stroking the keyboard, you just keep telling on yourself that you have no sense.

      • Deerinwater

        “Warrior says:
        February 23, 2012 at 7:54 am
        Obviously the answer must be nothing because the 3 diggers need to be supervised. I see this everyday with gubmint workers!”

        No, you need three more shovel, one for a spare in case you break a handle and 1 man is at rest at all time, one relieving the other, everybody digs and everybody rest.

        and that the way work gets done.

      • NOBAMA2012

        “The top 10 percent income earners pay about 70 percent of Federal income taxes,” Will McBride of the Tax Foundation, told the news outlet. “The bottom 50 percent of tax filers have, they pay almost no Federal income tax. They pay about 3 percent of Federal income taxes.”

        http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/22/tax-foundation-analysis-shows-fair-share-not-paid-by-all/?eiid=

      • DaveH

        Here are the actual figures, Deer, from the IRS:
        http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

        Note that the bottom 50% of income earners pay only 2.25% of the income taxes. If we really wanted to be “Fair”, every adult would be liable for the same tax, which would mean the bottom 50% of income earner would pay 50% of the taxes — NOT 2.25%.
        Redistribution of wealth never has and never will work simply because the people burdened with the bulk of the taxes won’t work as hard as they otherwise would, and those who are getting off light certainly have no incentive to work harder. Also, there is the immutable fact that every dollar taxed away from the private sector would have been spent more productively by the Private Sector than it is in the Public Sector.

      • Mark in LA

        Another ill-informed post by a “conservative”:

        The reason they aren’t paying into the system is because Congress made sure none of them have to pay anything. And, of course, their voters shouldn’t have to pay anything either or they wouldn’t be their voters.

        No, the real reason they don’t pay is because one of the very few things Reagan did right was to adjust the tax tables for inflation. However, most of the rest of his policies like looking the other way on illegal immigration, shilling for guest worker programs, union busting, and free trade caused the wages of working Americans to stagnate to the point they fell off the tax rolls. Reagan also increased and expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit (welfare) so some of them get back more than they paid in.

      • Mark in LA

        More Dave Mises nonsense:

        Also, there is the immutable fact that every dollar taxed away from the private sector would have been spent more productively by the Private Sector than it is in the Public Sector.

        No, this is not a fact it is an assertion. In fact, it is impossible to prove and easy to refute. I imagine you know knowing of logic or its rules. However, I will try to school you. An assertion like this can only be true if in every situation the private sector utilizes the money better than the government. Since we don’t know the future, this can never be proven to be a fact. Yet, only one instance counter to the claim is needed to disprove it. As we can see in Iraq with all the wasted money for contractors instead of soldiers, the government is more efficient with its money in this case. Of course, one has to also define the squishy term “efficient”.

      • DaveH

        It’s not a fact to an ignorant Liberal, Mark, but to anybody who knows anything at all about reality, it is a fact. Governments simply cannot spend money efficiently because they lack the incentive to do that — It’s not their money, it was taken by force.
        If it wasn’t an immutable fact, Mark, the countries with the Biggest Governments wouldn’t also have consistently worse economies.
        Leaders thrive on Ignorant supporters like yourself.
        Here is some reality:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Average_GDP_PPP_per_capita_2010.svg
        Look at the Blue Countries (those with above average GNP PPP) in the Southeast Asia area. They are surrounded by Orange Countries (those with below average GNP PPP).
        What is the difference? The Blue Countries have relatively smaller Government, especially Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, and New Zealand.
        Just how much real life experience does it take to convince you Ignorant Liberals?

      • BigBadJohn

        DavH

        “Note that the bottom 50% of income earners pay only 2.25% of the income taxes. If we really wanted to be “Fair”, every adult would be liable for the same tax, which would mean the bottom 50% of income earner would pay 50% of the taxes — NOT 2.25%”

        In your view a person making 25 million a year should pay the same amount as someone making 25 thousand a year?

        The bottom 50% only controls 2.5% of the total wealth.
        The top1% controls 35% of the total wealth. The bottom 80% control a total of 15% of the wealth. If you taxed the bottom 50%, 50% of their wages you raise a total of 700 billion dollars.

        Jon Stewart, but his number are correct, I did verify them.

        http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare—the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over

  • Deerinwater

    It’s always been about “where the money will be spent and who gets too spend it”

    While the argument has always been presented as tax rates and them being too high or low.

    The Republican’s likes to be the ones that spend money like a sailor on shore leave, behaving in Imperial fashion on a Global scale and assisting Big Business interest.

    The democrats prefer to spend it a little closer to home.

    Other then that, they are much the same, once a dollar has been removed from your pocket do you really care what they spend it on?

    My conservative friends say “No”, once a thief has taken my money, it doesn’t matter what he spends it on.

    I say, “Yes” it matters, it matters a lot.

    • Average Joe

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      Deerinwater?….More like Deerinheadlights…considering your comments since you’ve arrived at PLD….just sayin’.

      Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
      Robert A. Heinlein

      A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
      Robert A. Heinlein

      The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract.
      Robert A. Heinlein

      • 45caliber

        Average:

        And Robert was right.

      • John

        “A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
        Robert A. Heinlein ”

        That may be true, maybe not, just because a “famous” person said something during his or her lifetime does not automatically means it is the truth.

        But be it as it may, if we assume it is true, it does not prevent someone from being greedy and does not prevent criminal actions. In fact, most criminals are competent and / or self-confident. That goes with the territory, look at the bankers, CEOs and politicians that drive this country into the ruin, being self-confident and competent ( and they are, they just use it the wrong way), they would NOT be in the positions they are. Frankly, I rather have a honest friend that is jealous of something then an competent and self-confident friend that is unethical.

      • Average Joe

        John, I think the key line in the above quote is:

        “Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.”

        All of those CEO’s, criminals, politicians etc. that you mentioned are not in the least bit jealous as they plunder your savings, freedoms and goods…as you said…they are confident….and therefore…incapable of jealousy (they don’t care what you have, they are just trying to find ways to part you… from it). They are confident that the average citizen is not smart enough to think critically for themselves…and unfortunately, they would be correct.

        The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair.
        Douglas Adams

      • Deerinwater

        “The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract.
        Robert A. Heinlein” to the lower bidder no less.

    • DaveH

      Deer says “The Republican’s likes to be the ones that spend money like a sailor on shore leave, behaving in Imperial fashion on a Global scale and assisting Big Business interest”.
      That’s odd, a Democrat is in the Presidential Office and our soldiers are still stationed around the world.
      Defense Spending in 2005 was 4.7 percent of GDP.
      Defense Spending in 2008 was 5.1 percent of GDP.
      Defense Spending in 2011 was 6.0 percent of GDP.
      United States entered both World Wars under Democratic Presidents.
      I only break down the Party for Deer’s sake. In reality both Major Political Parties are now the Party of Big Government.

      • FreedomFighter

        Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
        John Adams

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Deerinwater

        Correct, ~ and who put them there? Who committed them? And who wants them to stay there?

        John McCain among other’s. And who is John McCain? A GOP Senator from Arizona, and the 2008 GOP choice for President of these United States.

      • eddie47d

        Another great point made by Dave H. in how our military spending has increased and not decreased. Yet we have Conservatives/Republicans on this site who rail for more defense spending and further wars such as with Iran. We need more of you Ron Paul supporters to speak up in getting us out of these world conflicts and our intervening into other countries internal affairs. Obama is also being controlled by the Elites and is scared to buck these wars because of the political blowback. Few politicians have true courage anymore but concentrate on electioneering. I also think the American people are weak in thinking that wars equal patriotism and are easily manipulated by even weaker politicians.

      • 45caliber

        FF:

        But if you are a good liberal, you can just ignore them. After all, “Any fact that does not fit into your theory is not a fact.”

      • 45caliber

        Dave:

        And yet many libs insist that Defense spending is over 40% of our spending…

      • eddie47d

        The Defense Budget is $1.030-1.415 trillion for 2012. or 20% of the GDP. That represents a 9 1/2% increase from 2000 and another increase in the tax burden. .

      • Deerinwater

        David H says; Defense Spending in 2005 was 4.7 percent of GDP.
        Defense Spending in 2008 was 5.1 percent of GDP.
        Defense Spending in 2011 was 6.0 percent of GDP.
        United States entered both World Wars under Democratic Presidents.
        I only break down the Party for Deer’s sake. In reality both Major Political Parties are now the Party of Big Government.

        Exactly how wide do you wish to open up this discussion?

        WWl & ll ?, So Roosevelt just wanted to pick on the Japanese and Germans? I’ve heard your spill and read your reading material. If you wish to “project” even deeper and apply Ron Pauls’ approach to understanding nations actions and behavior, It is the Bankers of the world that starts these wars. While you find it more fun to just blame democrats.

        So why this departure from Ron Paul’s vision? Democrat Bankers?

        Today’s GOP is not yesterdays GOP or the DNC for that matter.

        I was foolishly hoping we might contain our discourse to at least the last decade. Today’s GOP are not conservatives while they do fly the banner and talk the talk. But they fail to walk the walk and this fact accounts for much of our current economic condition today.

        For nation that spends 6 to 10 times more on their military then any other nation in the world it’s assured to posses some security up sides but devastating economic down sides if there no BOOTY of war offered and contributed to the Common wealth of the nation.

        Strong arming Iraq to an anal cavity search, while allowing big private interest the opportunity to research at their leisure for future mineral extraction might be all fine and good but the average American paid a heavy price for this ruse to “Liberate the Iraqis people” while gaining nothing for their efforts.

        This behavior is The GOP TradeMark and how they prefer to spend money. GOP leadership depends on people who are able to be sucker in by someone wrapping themselves in the flag while pontificating noble and righteous values. While they spend your money and claiming to by on your side. Why the truth be know, the GOP feels money is wasted in the hands of the Average American.

        And the DNC is just playing second fiddle a half a step off in this same ruse.

      • DaveH

        DeerInHeadlights,
        Perhaps you should reread my comment. I said “I only break down the Party for Deer’s sake. In reality both Major Political Parties are now the Party of Big Government”.
        It is you, Deer, who insists on making it a Party issue.

      • DaveH

        To wit, Deer says “This behavior is The GOP TradeMark and how they prefer to spend money”.
        No, Deer, it isn’t the GOP Trademark. It is what Ignorant Liberals perceive to be their “TradeMark”.
        In reality, the Democrats have presided over the majority of our country’s major military conflicts.
        I will repeat, I do not see this as a Party issue. I see it as a Big Government issue, and both major parties are to blame.

      • DaveH

        Spanish American War:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish-american_war
        The President was Republican but he didn’t want to get into the war.
        From the article — “political pressures from the Democratic Party pushed the administration of President William McKinley, a Republican, into a war McKinley had wished to avoid”.

      • DaveH

        WWI was entered under Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat.
        WWII was entered under Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat.
        The Korean war was entered under Harry Truman, a Democrat.
        The Vietnam war spanned several Presidencies but the first involvement of United States military advisors in Vietnam came in 1950 under Harry Truman, a Democrat.

        So, get over it, Deer. Democrats are no strangers to war. But, for sure, both Parties love to use our soldiers as cannon fodder.

      • Mark in LA

        Dave you can’t really believe this:

        The President was Republican but he didn’t want to get into the war.
        From the article — “political pressures from the Democratic Party pushed the administration of President William McKinley, a Republican, into a war McKinley had wished to avoid”.

        The whole Maine incident could have been blown off by McKinley. He had to ask for a declaration of war, nobody forced him to do it. He also could have offered Spain a way out without war or at the end of war letting Spain keep her possessions. The Republicans have always been the party of big business and always the party that wanted something for nothing or used government to steal something or supported people who didn’t give a damn about anything but a buck.

        It is interesting to look at all the criminals in our government throughout history and what they do for a buck. When we stole the Panama Canal zone from Colombia, the money men behind the canal didn’t want to use the local labor and imported blacks from Cuba because they were cheaper, then left them there when the work was done. A country made up of European and Mestizo stock suddenly found itself full of blacks without the consent of the people living there – these are the kinds of people that make up the Republican Party and always have.

      • DaveH

        Mark says “The whole Maine incident could have been blown off by McKinley”.
        So says Mark.
        Perhaps you could back up your fabricated fact with a reference, Mark? I did.

      • DaveH

        Here’s more on the Spanish American War. Note, Theodore Roosevelt’s (a Progressive Republican) involvement:
        http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=96&sortorder=title

      • Deerinwater

        “DaveH says:
        February 23, 2012 at 3:25 pm
        DeerInHeadlights,
        Perhaps you should reread my comment. I said “I only break down the Party for Deer’s sake. In reality both Major Political Parties are now the Party of Big Government”.
        It is you, Deer, who insists on making it a Party issue.”

        Yea I know, I’m suppose to ignore your insolence’s King David your Royal Hine.
        You are quelling about spending money two administrations too late! If it wasn’t for 43′s tenure and the jam we are in because of it, you might be collecting stamps today.

        “BigBadJohn,
        They can posture all they want but Government spending has been going steadily up for the last 40 years. See chart:”

        Like you know of something that has actually went “down” in the last 4o years?

        ““Spread the wealth around”, which in plain english, means to take from those working and give it to those not working.”

        No that is not what it means but only to the few that wish to think so. These are the same people that made fun of candidate Obama for telling American that if they wanted to do something about slowing our dependence on foreign oil, they each could start today by making sure automobile tires are properly inflated.

        Haha! Funny stuff! We get an Obama Tire Gage energy policy inside of days courtesy of the GOP.

        Go ahead and laugh, it is funny, but It doesn’t make him the fool but the ones that scoff.

        I’m here to throw back all the rocks that’s been sent , ~ while I do accept the notion, government needs a serious down sizing but not just at the Federal level but county and state. We’ll only trade one tax master for another and gain nothing for our trouble. And it will not be easy. we have garbage police, we have water police, we have grass police, we have code enforcement police, we have 5 local taxing authorizes.

        This fight that you propose with last 15 to 20 years. I’ll be long dead and so will Ron Paul.

    • 101stRECON68

      Deer…Here we go again with the party crap. Man can’t you open your eyes and see that ALL of them spend like drunk sailors with an unlimited credit card account. The Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans and they all need to be removed from office as soon as possible, by force if necessary but hopefully through fair, honest and peaceful elections. Obama doesn’t surprise me as he is doing exactly what he said he would do, “Spread the wealth around”, which in plain english, means to take from those working and give it to those not working. So please explain to us again just How are the democrats or republicans helping this country. I’d sure as hell like to know. If you are a die hard democrat (or republican) there’s just no way you will ever see the reality around you. Obama could just completely suspend the Constitution and you would say “Well, he HAD to for security”. BS! You are Not the solution but part of the problem in this country.

      • Deerinwater

        “Deer…Here we go again with the party crap. Man can’t you open your eyes and see that ALL of them spend like drunk sailors with an unlimited credit card account.”

        yes I can. ~ as I offered, it’s what each party fights to spend money on is where the major differences lies between them.

        And that does matters. Matters a lot to me and it should to you as well.

        I don’t believe you read my posting through. I sometimes do that as well, but we shouldn’t.

        And thank you for not attempting to make grade school sport of my handle. Feel free to just call me Deer for short.

        I was in the Electric Strawberry, 25th. out of CuChi. 69″, assisted the Bloody Red One in closing up shop and riding the silver bird home. The Viet Namization was starting up and we are turning over some fire support duties.

      • BigBadJohn

        “that ALL of them spend like drunk sailors with an unlimited credit card account.”

        True but there are some general differences not absolute.

        1. As Deer says, it basically it boils down to WHO gets the money, Dems spend on welfare for the poor, GOP – welfare for the rich.

        2. Tax and spend vs borrow and spend.

        3. The rhetoric from the right for the last 12 years has been eliminate SS even if it means bankrupting the country. The left view SS as untouchable.

        4. Spending as stimulus. GOP pushes tax cuts, which does the same thing to the budget as spending increases. Dems push spending increases instead of tax cuts. BOTH lead to the same result – increase in national debt.

      • DaveH

        Both of you, John and Deer (hmmm, john deer), need to get your heads out. Read this book and wake up:
        http://www.amazon.com/Big-Ripoff-Business-Government-Steal/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330033606&sr=8-1

        It isn’t a Party thing. It’s a Big Government thing. Both parties have their favorite Crony Capitalists. The major difference between Democrats and Republicans is that they usually have different favorites (but not always).

      • DaveH

        Read this Free online book to get a better grasp of this country’s financial history:
        http://mises.org/books/historyofmoney.pdf

  • Raggs

    If you think that you will see gas prices below $4 a gallon ever again, well ya know… IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!

    • 45caliber

      It was $3.49.9 this morning here. But it’s been going up about 10 cents a week too. I expect it to go over $4 before the end of March at this rate.

      I saw that Saudi had cut their production and Iran has cut off France and Germany. I’m going to bet that France and Germany will be wailing to us for us to give them more of our fuel … and I’m going to bet they get it. After all, it wouldn’t be fair if they had to cut their use, now would it?

      Incidently, I saw a report not long ago that said that the Mid-East is down to less than 10% of their initial reserves. That’s why they are trying to get into other fields. They can see the end of their oil profits.

      • Old Gringo

        45–gas here in Mexifornia is already over $4.00 per gallon. I think it will be over $5.00 per gallon by the first of April, (end of March).

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Who is running America? Have you ever asked that question?

        Under the doctrine of Parens Patriae, “Government As Parent”, as a result of the manipulated bankruptcy of the United States of America in 1930, ALL the assets of the American people, their person, and of our country itself are held by the Depository Trust Corporation at 55 Water Street, NY, NY, secured by UCC Commercial Liens, which are then monetized as “debt money” by the Federal Reserve. It may interest you to know that under the umbrella of the Depository Trust Corporation lies the CEDE Corporation, the Federal Reserve Corporation, the American Bar Association, the legal arm of the banking interests, and the Internal Revenue Service, the system’s collection agency. Now you know who is running America!

        You might want to take exception to the name on the marquee at the entrance to 55 Water Street? . . . “Tower of Power” . . .?

        Another thing to think about — who owns the media and the news you are fed?
        Guess Who? An Independent Press? Ha!

        Did you ever hear of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920? No, you say….?

        The Independent Treasury Act of 1920 suspended the de jure (meaning “by right of legal establishment”) Treasury Department of the United States government. Our Congress turned the treasury department over to a private corporation, which when seen in its true light, is a fascist monopolistic cartel, the Federal Reserve and their agents. The bulk of the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well kept secret from the American Citizen, is held by these banking interests, and NONE is held by the United States Treasury:
        Rothschild Bank of London
        Rothschild Bank of Berlin
        Warburg Bank of Hamburg
        Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
        Lazard Brothers of Paris
        Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
        Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
        Goldman, Sachs of New York
        Lehman Brothers of New York
        Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

        The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our present statutory regulations, “laws”, in the control and regulation of virtually all aspects of human activity in the United States, through successively socialistic constructions laid upon the Commerce clause of the Constitution. Basically, the Federal Reserve is the “STATE” of the United States.

        http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html

  • Patriot

    When is the last time that our President had a real press conference? Instead he is busy fund raising on our dime with only his approved media types are invited to report. We are closer to pure fascism than any of us can image, I never thought I would see the day that many of our countrymen have been so deceived and fooled! For our country’s sake, please WAKE UP!

    • DaveH

      We’ve been there for a long time. People are just finally waking up thanks to Obama’s clumsiness.
      http://mises.org/daily/5634/Americas-Unique-Fascism

      • FreedomFighter

        Yet when that American citizen is in office, he (or she, as I’m sure we’ll see soon enough) is basically God on earth.

        Dave that was a good read, the above line hit me hard, Obama is no god, demi-god or even a great man, he is just a flimflam con artist, who was given god like power, thru lies and false presentation.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • 45caliber

        FF:

        I don’t really believe that he was “given god-like powers”. I think he just assumed he had them. In fact, I’m not even sure he assumes they are god-like. I believe he believes he really is god.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      so right, the problem in our country right now is all the people who voted Obama into office in the 1st place

  • DaveH

    What’s going on? We only have one token Liberal on the board this morning.
    Did Bob remove Flashman and his multiple personalities?

    • Sirian

      I’ve been wondering the same DaveH. No telling, Oh well. . .

    • FreedomFighter

      flash·y (flsh)
      adj. flash·i·er, flash·i·est
      1. Cheap and showy; gaudy. See Synonyms at gaudy1.
      2. Giving a momentary or superficial impression of brilliance.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Sirian

        LOL!!!! Oh you’re being cruel again FF. . . :)

  • 45caliber

    A few years ago I heard a (liberal) politician speaking about taxes. He noted that we in the US were paying “only” about 50% in taxes and then compared us to several other countries that paid far more (like 98% in a couple of them). “I can’t understand why Americans are so afraid of a simple 5% tax increase,” he said. “After all, in other countries, like Bangladesh, they pay as much as 98%. No one here should worry about only 5%.”

    He didn’t seem to realize that we don’t want to end up like Bangladesh and those other countries.

    • eddie47d

      Actually there are countries that have a very high tax rates like Sweden and Norway who do quite we. Their people are fairly happy and self sufficient.Some countries benefit from high taxes and in others it’s like carrying an anchor around.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        As to your comments ….

        Sweden and Norway do have high taxes. And because of it, the families seldom can afford to have more than one child. In fact, Sweden encourages child birth by giving all sorts of benefits – but they seldom have more. So, to make up for a dwindling population, the government brings in immigrants, mostly from the Mid-East.

        Why do you think our government wants to encourage (illegal) immigration here? It’s because among the actual American citizens, birth rate is below replacement – due to costs involved.

        Also keep in mind that costs in Sweden are generally less than they are here too.

      • eddie47d

        Swedes as in many Western European countries don’t want large families so that is a choice they have to live with. American women don’t want large families anymore either because of costs in rearing children. That is another reason immigrants from Mexico is an accepted form of labor because there aren’t enough local citizens to work the fields as you were saying. Costs in Sweden such as oil (gas about $8 bucks) is much higher there (as in all of Europe) than here.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        They don’t want large families because they can’t provide for them. It isn’t a choice they have to live with unless they are willing to give up everything. it is a necessity. If you check, the people in the US who have large families are immigrants and welfare recipients – both of whom receive government handouts to survive.

        And the problem with illegal immigrants here isn’t the fact that we need field hands – most of them take the good jobs Americans want.

        Also, check the use of oil in Sweden – they don’t have to drive 30-50 miles a day one way to work as many of us do. I talked about this with a Swiss one day – he told me that the only time he gets his car out of the garage is on his 2 week vacation. The rest of the year it stays there. He rides a bike to work (and he knows of no one who lives more than 1/2 mile from work.) Due to government requirements, among other things, most of us can’t do that here. (For instance, I work in a chemical plant. The government requires a “green zone” around the plant that no one can use.)

      • Dale on the left coast

        EDDIE . . . just so much you don’t know. Been to Sweden many times, last time in the fall of 2010. Taxes are higher than here, but have been coming down in the last 6 years, as they abandoned the Socialist Dimmocrats and have elected twice a more Conservative govt.
        Children, my 2nd cousin has four under 13, and I have seen many 3 offspring or larges families.
        Norway has no debt, and never joined the EU, they have enormous revenue from North Sea Oil and Offshore Oil technologies so they can afford their intrusive nanny-state.
        Unlike the USA that is trying to do the same with no Funds.
        By the way . . . when I was last there E85 auto fuel was 8 to 9 Krona a liter that is a little over $4.50 US a gallon.

      • eddie47d

        Daily Finance says Swedes pay $8.00 a gallon or close to 13.86 a liter. I’ve heard the same for over 15 years about European gas prices. Even Italy is around $8.00.

      • Mark in LA

        Until recently Sweden and Norway were highly homogeneous. A welfare state is possible under such a condition because everybody looks at the country as one large extended family and most people tend to have a similar world view and work habits. When you bring in large numbers of parasitic foreigners, the system starts to break down.

  • Alexa

    Yep, there you go again.

  • http://MSN Barbara

    For years I have believed that there is one simple word that is destroying this once perfect
    country, and perhaps all the rest of the world. That word is GREED!! There are people
    who have over run everything like roaches. They are greedy for two things; money and power. We need to replace the greedy ones with people who believe in the right things. Honor, Integrity, and exhibit the strength and courage to love and defend this beloved country. We need to stick tightly together and replace the greedy ones with REAL MEN.

  • Bob Marshall

    Obama know that America need the XLpipe line and for drilling to resume in the Gulf but that is not part of his agenda at this time. He may call for these actions if he think it may help get him elected,after which, he can resume to weaken Americas military and economic situation. If Obama is given four more years he will finish carrying out the dreams from his father. Those who read DREAMS FROM MY FATHER or THE MANCHURIAN PRESIDENT or THE ROOTS of OBAMA’S RAGE know his agenda for America. Obama made 500 promises in his campaign speeches. He kept one. Change is coming to America. We got more government, more debt and more loss of freedom and liberty. ” An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation.We like to think we are free but the Social Security card each of us signed proves we are not.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      great, at least there is someone out there that understands mr. O’s agenda!!

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Income taxes should be lowered. Eliminate the cap on income that is subject to F.I.C.A, withholding, and lower it to whatever percentage needed to pay for existing obligations. Then have a voluntary privatization of Social Security. Eliminate the income tax on the earnings that are put into retirement accounts, F.I.C.A. and allow real Medical savings accounts that do not have to be used every year and make them non taxable as well.. Eventually eliminate all income taxes completely. Convert to use taxes ie. excise taxes on certain items excluding food and medicine. Not a simple Fair tax on everything or a simple Flat income tax.

    • Pete Sagi

      That’s a huge, overflowing horsebag full of warm, fresh, and very fragrant road apples. The income tax is fraudulently misapplied due to the promoted misunderstanding of how the income tax works.

      The income tax, according to the US Supreme Court, is an excise tax on privilege and only MEASURED by the income or net profit or gain derived FROM taxable privilege. Within Title 26, the internal revenue codes, several different privileges that are taxed are spelled out. Non resident aliens deriving US sourced income do so by taxable privilege. Federal employment is a taxable privilege. Employment by a federally owned corporation such as the US Post Office is taxable privilege. Residing abroad with foreign earned income under protection of the US flag is taxable privilege. What about the rest of us … working occupations of common right in the private sector in any of the now 50 united States????
      Is that taxable? Not inherently, but, you can MAKE it taxable.

      One of the inalienable rights that people are born with is an unlimited right to contract with others. The federal government doesn’t get to bully its way into private contracts, but it CAN be INVITED in. Here are examples:

      Your neighbor asks you to drywall his garage and build some shelves, and offers you some cash for your labor. You get the job done and he pays you, end of story. Was there a taxable event? NO! Most people would think that they got away with something, that this is illegal to “work off the books” or “get paid under the table” but nobody got away with anything. A right was exercised, no more no less.

      Here is the other example … you are offered “employment” doing drywall. Your “employer” throws down an IRS form W-4 in your face and expects you to fill it out and sign under penalty of perjury with a valid socialist slavestate number. BOTH YOU AND YOUR “EMPLOYER HAVE NOW INVITED THE FEDERAL GOVT. IN AS A SENIOR THIRD PARTY TO YOUR CONTRACT. It is as you are now going thru the federal govt. as a temp agency and getting farmed out to your “employer.” You pay into a federal pension plan, i.e., socialistic insecurity. Your “employer” pays a tax for the privilege of hiring you, i.e., payroll tax or the employer side of socialistic insecurity. Since you are now a federal “employee” you have now incurred liability for federal income tax. States that have a state income tax tax the same liability, so there is your liability for state income tax and even local income tax. In addition, there is also medicare tax and pretty soon liability for Obamacare.

      While form W-4 is voluntary along with use of an SSN as far as the law is concerned, the dirty work of enforcement of the income tax is done by the private corporate sector that refuses to hire anyone without an SSN as a matter of policy and not law. The more money that the govt. gets, the more they spend and the further in debt they go. Therefore, the answer is to starve the beast into submission. The best way to starve the beast is to pass laws that REQUIRE FULL DISCLOSURE of all terms, conditions, rights waived, powers of attorney granted, and liabilities incurred, including tax liabilities, anytime anyone anywhere for any reason asks for a socialist slavestate number. Said disclosure should be in plain language, verbal and written, initialled off point by point, to be signed by both parties as well as a witness. If someone is stupid enough to sign up for it after a full disclosure that is their problem.

      Pete

  • TIME

    OMG, People will you all please wake up.

    YOU are all owned by the 13 BLOODLINES, so why would you wish to pay any form of TAX ———— so you can be enslaved?

    Please tell me whats logical about TAX’S paid to do such?

    YOU should not be paying any TAX’S at all! Its all a BIG LIE.

    PEACE & LOVE my Borthers & Sisters.

    • Pete Sagi

      Exactly. Earlier I posted on here how to avoid incurring liability for income tax in the first place. Starve the beast, but don’t leave your privates dangling in the wind.

      Pete

  • cecelia holland

    what a bunch of paranoids. stock up on ammunition, guys.

    • 45caliber

      I already have.

      • Raggs

        :) you aint the only one.

    • FreedomFighter

      Working on reloading gear now.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • http://twitter.com/PatriotLand Daniel (@PatriotLand)

    Good solid information here. The truth shall set you free.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1720951731 Clyde L Trent

    Hmmmm well well !

  • http://Yahoo dave6729

    I am sorry to disagree ut I have researched this topic and there is a huge problem with taxes on the rich going below 35 percent. Roald Reagan cut them from 70 to 35 p[ercent and suddenly had real problems balancing the Budget…He started Deficit Spending which added to the National Debt. Then Climnton came along and raised taxes on the rich and balanced the budget for the first time since Eisenhower was President and we had strong economic growth. The G.W. got in and cut the taxes on the rich , the jobs creation flatlined and the National Debt really went up…Case in point here-Supply Side Economics does not work and as Senior Bush put it, it is Voodoo economics…The rich need to be taxed more, the Middle Classes taxed less and the Budget should be balanced…Cuting taxes with a 15 Trillion National Debt is ridiculous!

    • http://yahoo Larry

      the problem with your point is at some point we run out of the so called rich peoples money and then there will be nobody to tax. since when has there been a time the lesser wealthy controlled the wealthy? money rules, always has

    • BigBadJohn

      I agreed with Reagan when he eliminated the 70% marginal tax rate and went to three tiers of tax. That 70% killed productivity. I knew a contractor who had a ton of work and could stay busy year round. But as soon as he hit that 70% he laid off his people and shut down for the rest of the year. Although he paid 70% in taxes, because he laid off 20 guys, the government actually LOST tax revenues.

      The problem that i had with Bush’s tax cut was 50% went to the richest 1% and the other 50% went to the other 99%. Not exactly fair.

    • Mark in LA

      Nobody paid those 70 percent rates. Everything was deductable. The system was unfair. People who could game the system made out and joe blow with a paycheck and renting an apartment was screwed. I knoew people making 25K a year in horse racing syndication scams because the tax code was littered with this nonsense when you put in 10K and got 10K in writeoffs each year for 5 years. If you were in a 50% bracket (which wasn’t all that high) 10K brought you 25K back in tax returns.

      Reagan had the right idea. He brought the rates down and they went back up a little. He also did not make a distiction between capital gains and ordinary income. Later GOP shills for the rich have convinced the boobs that captial needs special treatment. This is where a lot of our deficits are coming from – having billionaires pay only 15% tax while engineers pay 25% plus payroll taxes.

      Clinton never balanced the budget. It was an accounting gimmick and there was a dot com bubble to artificially increase government’s take while Bush got the losses. The national debt never went down under Clinton. The supposed surplus was excess payroll taxes that should have been part of the Social Security Trust Fund but went to pat for the government.

      http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

  • Garyt

    When Wayne says that if corporate executives lie they are prosecuted for fraud that is not exactly accurate. I distinctly remember the CEOs and CFOs of companies like AIG, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, Lehman and the like on TV telling the public that their problems were all behind them (back in 2008) anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months before they nearly folded and needed to be bailed out and none of them were prosecuted or even persecuted for their blatently fraudulent statements. I guess in today’s world it’s ok to lie.

    I do agree that the bar should be much higher than $250,000 family income.

    • Mark in LA

      The Reagan initiated Saving and Loan fiasco was a dry run for the white collar crooks who inhabit Wall Street and the corporate board rooms of America. They learned that white collar crime cannot be sucessfully prosecuted if you stick to the story that you were so stupid that you could not see it coming. Wayne is just repeating the same libertarian nonsense that somehow businessmen are put upon by government when in fact they have government in their back pockets.

  • http://priscillaking.blogspot.com Priscilla King

    Thanks for this! Liked and linked.

  • Mad-Max

    Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad
    for your health and your future. Can’t you tell? You have another choice – use it!

    “WAKE UP PEOPLE!”
    Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org

  • Neil Swan

    The taxes are too low for the rich. There are too many tax loopholes for them.
    The owner of the LA Dodgers made 20 million dollars a year 5 years in a row.
    He didn’t pay a dime in federal or state income tax. Do you think that’s too high.
    Two of the reasons for our deficit were lowering taxes and invading Iraqu. If the government has no income how do the protect and support the country.
    All most of the Republicans care about are themselves and their money.

    Neil

  • http://www.peoplepc.com Kenneth Hasson

    It seems that so many people are aware of whats going on. Why don’t we all join together and stop what is happening. The New World Order is succeding by leaps and bounds.
    It boggles my mind that our taxes pay the politicans salaries. We have been and still pay for the politicans that have bankrupted our country and destroyed the constitution.Everyone should know the truth about The Federal Reserve Bank.We could take back our country almost overnight by entering a class action lawsuit against The Federal Reserve Bank. . Charge them with fraud,corruption and treason. They should be made to repay us with gold and silver. Because they are a private corporation, they can be sued.

  • chuckb

    people fall prey to the media, especially the tv news, abc cnn and nbc are all in the pocket of the bolshevik party. the new world order is here and has been for many years, they control the media and the media controls the mind of the sheep. take these debates going on, you will note however bad romney does he always gets support from the msm and is claimed a winner or the next best thing. they want romney, they know he can’t beat barry and even if he should come close in debating barry (and he won’t) he will lose by their evaluation.
    the amount of people on the dole from the government along with the die hard bolsheviks will produce a large block of votes , he is trying to raise tax to continue the freeloading by fed and state workers, these people are going to vote for barry , the minority and illegals will give him the majority vote.
    the wimpy congressional republicans will assist him by going along with tax increase in one form or another.
    the only person who could stop barry is newt gingrich, he could make barry look like the babbling idiot he is in the debates, however, the media and the sheep will be a large hurdle for newt. the republican establishment is interested in keeping the congress and gaining t`he senate.it looks to me like they don’t care about the presidency, they are more interested in getting control of the money and before they get kicked out again they will fill their larders like last time. we need to dump the republican party and replace it it with a constitutional run party that has the countries interest at heart.
    the democrat party is run by bolsheviks,

    the high gas prices will stay for awhile then later in the summer they will start to fall, by october the sheep will have forgotten 4-5 dollar prices so that won’t be a factor, barry will win by a large margin, unless we stop the republican establishment and get a candidate elected that has the interest of the people at heart.
    the new world order is sitting in the white house.

    • FreedomFighter

      Ron Paul would wipe the floor with Barry.

      The Judge would use Biden as the mop.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Kris

    Hey, Freedom Fighter: Obama could be the rag.

  • J Hardwick

    You twits. Taxes are lower across the board than they have been in fifty years. Geez. Get over it.

    • Christin

      J Hard-wackjob,
      You didn’t listen very well… better play Mr. Roots video again to catch ALL the TAXES the American citizenry is Paying on everything.

      God only asks for 10%, but the gov demands 35% from the Middle Class, PLUS …state and local taxes, property taxes, school taxes, permit taxes, obamacare tax, ……….

  • http://clarenceswinney clarenceswinney

    Typical Wall Street Bull Manure
    How high?
    OECD ranks us:
    #2 Least Taxed nation—30% GDP in fed state local taxes
    #2 Least taxed corpOrations–15% of gdp –2011 paid 12.1% tax rate or 10% effective rate
    #4 on Inequality
    50% get 13% of all individual income

    How long will we allow WSA to ruin this nation with Bull Manure.
    Since 1980 we borrowed 14,000 Billion. The Tax Book was Christmas Tree filled with goodies for the Rich and Corporations. It is a shame that they take more in Exemptions than they pay in taxes.
    That is why OECD ranks Us:
    #2 as Least Taxed–We pay 30% of GDP in fed—state–local taxes
    #2 as Least Taxed Corporations–In 2011 They paid 1.5% of GDP in taxes
    # 4 on Inequality–10% own almost 80% of our Wealth and take almost 50% of our individual income..80% get the crumbs
    Suggestions:
    1.Fed Fund election–6 months-3 primary- 3 general-free equal tv time-one debate a week=12-adequate to evaluate candidates no $$ no pacs
    2.Members of Congress and White House can accept nothing with a financial value.
    Keep them on the job not on the road
    3.Progressive Flat Tax(by group)–tax to pay our way not leave for kids to pay
    4.Burn Tax Book–gets enough added revenue to have a surplus to attack the debt

    Yes! Simple. Yes Effective.
    only bug I find is how to choose candidates.
    Prove me wrong with numbers not usual opinions and blarney bull
    clarence swinney old87uglymeanpolitical historian lifeaholics of america

  • jerry

    Do you know what JIZYA is? It is a tax on non muslims demanded by islam to keep from slaughtering them. THAT is what HUSSAIN OBAMA is collecting and sending to the muslim heirarchy.

    Sheeple if you do not know about SHARIA AND JIZYA you had better learn

    I would like to start a new movement named after Mr. Stuart Alexander. He knew how to handle govt. inspectors

  • Christin

    Great video… your points are well made, Mr.Root.

    I enjoy your common sense and clear thinking… pointing out the lies, omissions, and (tax) fraudulent statements by the POTUS.

    Keep’em coming…

  • tom conten

    I’m retired and live comfortably on about $100,000 a year.

    I don’t think the taxes I pay are too high at all. In fact, I’m surprised how little I pay in taxes to keep this country running. Wars, infrastructure, employees to process monthly Social Security checks, medicare, veterans benefits, Federal programs to help those who are less fortunate than I am.

    We regular guys in America who love this country and all it has given us understand that it costs money to keep things running.

    Guess your info is for millionaires. What a horrible job it must be to make your own money by telling the rich over and over that they are getting screwed. More awful is that they actually believe it.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Bla BLa BLa

    Pray to the mighty dollar you greedy bastards. And blame everything on the immigrants, the poor and unemployed and let’s not forget the black man in charge.

    Yes we are in trouble but it started decades ago and anyone blaming Obama for everything is disingenuous at best.

    But for some reason if you examine the 23 GOP governed states that lowered taxes and put in austerity measures, they are not doing as well as the Dem states that did the opposite. Humm! I wonder why!

    Trickle down economics is dead. It’s a corpse, it will not bounce or resurrect ever. The earth is not flat, Climate Change is happening, we will run out of oil, top soil, drinking water and, if the carbon idiots have their way, fresh air as well.

    Unless of course your ultimate goal is more wealth for the wealthy and more inequality and higher unemployment and less money in the nation’s coffers.

    The 400 richest Americans pay no taxes and they own more wealth than the bottom third of Americans. And still they want more.

    The biggest corporations spend more on lawyers and accountants to show them how to hide their money off shore than they they pay in US taxes.

    They all got to be wealthy on the back of American Common wealth. They used public infrastructure, a workforce educated by the public system and their wealth and properties are protected by the public police and military.

    Social Security is and has always been solvent and will be guaranteed to remain solvent with a small adjustment like not having a cap on $107K for funding it.

    Medicare for all and alternative prevention healthcare and a healthier lifestyle and nutrition is the answer to our run away health care costs and horrible health results.

    We live in an oligarchy not a democracy and still you want to give the wealthy more wealth and more power

    Hegemony and wars will be our downfall and still the only thing the conservative right can think of is to attack Iran.

    What a bunch of losers!

  • Eric Bischoff

    DaveH
    obviously has only one job and one purpose. Make fun of Liberals, blame everything on Liberals. Preserve and increase wealth for the wealthy. Abolish govt. Too bad his facts are all twisted and simple minded. Every once in a while I almost find some things to agree with him on but soon he expands and you realize that he is not being honest.

    To be Liberal is simply to be Open Minded. It’s not the boogie man you are so afraid of.

    I am sure we would all love a country without a govt. I am sure that this is what the founding fathers envisioned!!! Imagine football without rules or referees. People don’t cheat do they? Corporations always do the right thing don’t they?

    I am also sure that the one thing they tried to warn us about is the dangers of meddling in foreign affairs and surprisingly the right, conservatives and the confused tea party libertarian crowd are always on the wrong side of this issue. Progressives don’t start wars, they are always standing alone objecting and voting against wars. RepublicRats and especially the right are always for war. Figure that out.

    • Deerinwater

      OOO ~ KIng David won’t like to read that! he wants to lay a turd in your plate and you return fire with a Hostess Twinkie.

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  • jopa

    This video looks like something that would be shown in the Wall Street board rooms behind closed doors.However their is a large group of Americans that think Publishers Clearing House is gonna come knocking on their door or they are going to really win the lottery, or big in the casinos.They feel they are some day going to be in the 1% group so they want to protect the interests they don’t have.Our economy was doing fine until the Bush tax cut came along, he started a couple of wars, the drug prescription plan unfunded and hundreds of billions funnelled into companies like Haliburton and Blackwater.Obama is finally getting us back on the road again without the help of the GOP and their ways of blocking every bill that would help our country to be even greater than it is.You don’ start two wars and cut taxes.That is totally idiotic so it is time to get real and be honest with yourself.

  • terris

    C onsidering the fact that taxes are at the lowest they have been in the last 80 years, this whole article is pure crap, and the people who have chosen to believe it, against all commom sense, are idiots.

  • Jeff

    I agree with the few people here who actually have a brain. It’s intersting if you do a search for “Bob Livingston” the only thing that comes up is a super corrupt politician! Try a better name next time you flake!!!

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