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The Tangled Webs We Weave

August 26, 2010 by  

The Tangled Webs We Weave

In his recent piece “What Websites Do You Read?” my fellow Bob Livingstonian, Chip Wood, opened a discussion on his favorite off-ramps, rest areas and destinations on the Information Superhighway. The attendant comments section included a plethora of possible places all of you thought worthy of at least a gas’n'go on the trip to enlightenment. Many, if not most, of the sites listed not only by Chip, but also by you denizens of Personal Liberty Digest, were noteworthy for the excellence of content, breadth of subject matter and depth of information. Some were… less so (Dailykos? REALLY?)

No matter the political bent of the site in question, whether it be Personalliberty.com or even barackisahottie.com (or whatever) — if it tickles your fancy, you can find it in cyberspace. In fact, if you can’t find it, and you have opposable thumbs, you can MAKE it. So, good news for you MSNBC devotees, you can get keithnrachel4eva.com up and running whenever you’re ready.

Unless the FCC doesn’t like the idea.

Actually, as of today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) can’t stop you from throwing up a website devoted to most anything — even things which aren’t real, like Rachel Maddow’s talent. But, what if a government agency, with fully vested enforcement authority, pulled you over in your sporty new Dell and cited you with a ticket for excessive conservatism? What if they simply closed the off-ramp to your favorite website?

Welcome to the web under Net Neutrality.

Government regulation is like a wedding or Michael Moore behind the counter at a Dunkin’ Donuts; it never gets smaller or less expensive for everyone else. Net Neutrality, as originally conceived, was supposed to ensure equal and unfettered access to the Internet for everyone. An idea designed to guarantee that Internet Service Providers and wired heavyweights couldn’t price smaller companies and content into the broadband slow lane. Net neutrality, in theory, was an okay idea. But in practice it will be a governmental cyber-boot on America’s online neck.

Tuesday afternoon the Second Amendment group Gun Owners of America (GOA) publicly logged off from the net neutrality coalition Save the Internet, citing its potential for government encroachment on information freedom in the age of Obama. According to GOA communications director Erich Pratt:

"Back in 2006 we supported net neutrality, as we had been concerned that AOL and others might continue to block pro-second amendment issues… The issue has now become one of government control of the Internet, and we are 100 percent opposed to that,"

Liberal bloggers rushed to suggest that GOA was actually leaving Save the Internet to avoid association with tinfoil-hat brigades like ACORN and the attack poodles at Moveon.org. But with groups including the Christian Coalition still on the Save the Internet friends’ list, Democrat attacks on the GOA are as empty as the inside of Joe Biden’s cerebral CPU.

Truth be told, the wingnuts have done a better job of leaving their footprints on the web. The monolithic nature of liberal ideology makes the leftist flock easy to herd.

People who think Bill Maher is funny, or consider MSNBC’s primetime lineup a legitimate news source, are easy pickings for digital gurus who wave flashy Internet interaction in front of them. And Net Neutrality in the hands of the FCC plays right into the Obama handbook. Pseudo-academic Joe Palermo, writing on the redoubtably leftist Huffington Post:

“..progressive news and information sites, along with MoveOn.org and other Internet organizing networks, played a key role in this dramatic shift in communications technology away from the Right and toward progressive social change. We need to lock in this advantage.”

Which FCC-controlled net neutrality would do in bank-vault fashion. Much like the not-so-dearly departed Fairness Doctrine (which liberals support), FCC reclassification of the Internet as a type II technology (essentially categorizing it as a telephone service) will open the door to the Feds shifting from addressing web traffic to web content. Given the left’s all-out war on any and all dissent, smearing it as racist, hateful or evil (Nancy Pelosi’s recent call for official investigation into Ground Zero Mosque opposition comes to mind), it would mean that outlets like Personal Liberty Digest could face governmental direction on content, or be relegated to some low-speed, lower-tier Internet backwater.

The left and their media have continually tried to confuse the citizenry with technobabble and double-talk. But FCC Internet regulation represents the ultimate Orwellian fantasy — total information control.

There is a place where net neutrality already exists, although they don’t use such a cavalier moniker. Residents call that place whatever they’re told to. We call it the People’s Republic of China.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • s c

    Americans who aren’t at least 45 old are at a disadvantage. Those who call themselves ‘Dems,’ libs or progressives are at an even greater disadvantage because they tend to fall in love with theories, and their integrity is much like that of a prostitute searching for the ultimate pimp.
    Most people who are over 45 have been around long enough to know that politics requires followers. Some people will believe anything. If the message is packaged well enough, some will line up and defend their new info savior/role model to the death.
    Uncle Scam is growing stronger every day, and as history teaches us, corruption goes hand-in-hand with power. The 1st Amendment is in peril, and Uncle Scam has no reason to protect it. As long as enough people revere the 1st Amendment, Uncle Scam will have a tough time destroying the 2nd Amendment, although Americans should know by now that the treasonous, miserable sunny beach will put both to the test.

    • Angel Wannabe

      sc, I agree, and have been saying the same thing for a long time__The left has managed to hijack, the younger generation, and manipulated the political language for so long, they have these young snips believing, they’re eating caviar, when in reality it’s a sh*t sandwich!_ and they are none the wiser and as long as they let Government think for them!__ They are happy little ignorant sheep, only interested in being told what to think and to be cared for. Those of us 45 and above, DO know and remember, what it was truly like to be free. These sheep need to get they’re head out of revisionist history, and take a long hard look at the language being pushed, study that Constitution, til they’re blue in the face, and stand up for they’re rights, when they feel they’re being wronged.But they’ve got to reconize it first!
      I don’t remember who said this, and don’t have the time right now to go and dig to find out, but it fits here__”If we don’t stand for something, we will fall for everything!”

      • FreedomFighter

        “pulled you over in your sporty new Dell and cited you with a ticket for excessive conservatism? What if they simply closed the off-ramp to your favorite website?”

        It would be time for full scale revolution against the New World Order takeover of America, probably armed, most likely bloody, assisted by the US Military in defense of freedom, the constitution and American Libery.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Angel Wannabe

          FreedomFighter__Yeah I can see that comin’ if we let these idiots in Washington stay much longer__They’re gonna destroy as much of America, as they can, before they start gettin’ tossed out in November__you watch!

          • Jim Cumber

            One thing has worried this “over 60″ about this whole operation: Why has the far left been oblivious to the Will of the People? The “Congress Critters” have previously been VERY sensitive to the threat of being voted out of office, only now they IGNORE that possibility! WHAT DO THEY KNOW THAT WE DON’T?! I can see only two possibilities:

            (1) They already have plans to hijack the election by “vote fraud”; or
            (2) They intend to “not let a good (manufactured) Crisis go to waste” and plan a MEGA-MAJOR “false flag” operation to permit Barry Soetoro to activate the Emergency Executive Orders to CANCEL THE ELECTION, INDEFINITELY, and make Barry “President for Life” and permit him to “break cover” (as the “Stealth Muslim” that he actually is) and rule America by Muslim, Shari’a Law! The “Whirr-Whop-Whop” you are hearing is the rotary oscillator coming into contact with the Vigoro!…:(

      • 45caliber

        Back during the Central High School think in Arkansas, I would watch the news and then check with friends. Much of what they put on the TV was wrong or doctored to make desegrigation look better at the time.

        Later, I began wondering about other things in history, particularly when I occasionally ran across things that counterdicted what the history books in school said. I developed a love for finding out what REALLY happened in history. Today, I have more history books at home that even the local college does. I read all things voraciously. I even remember part of it.

        But there is an old saying: “The winners write the history books.” That is not always true particularly today, but it is for the most part. One of the real problems today is that many minority groups are rewriting them. One professor even justified it: “It WOULD have happened this way if not for others at the time.” In other words, his idea of history would have happened if the enemy hadn’t screwed them up. So he wants to report his version and teach the youth that.

        I would urge everyone (even Democrats) to actually try to determine what happened vs. what they tell you happened in all matters of history. Some of the things will astonish you.

        • Angel Wannabe

          45CALIBER___David Barton of Wallbulders is a good place to start!__He has in his possession, many of the original publications of history. for instance, pocket Bibles, that were given to each member of the House and Senate as they took office!__He’s on Glenn Beck alot, the guy is a perverbial walking history book and NOTHING gets by him!

          • Craig

            Barton has been caught making up phony quotes from the founding fathers. He has zilch in credibility.

          • Richard

            I think Craig is trying to weave his own tangled web. It’s a good tactic. The Nazi’s used it a lot. Blame the other guy for what you are doing.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Craig, PROVE IT!

        • Bob

          That was the beginning of busing students out of their neighborhoods to achieve de-segregation. I wonder who owns all the big school bus companies.

    • refuse2lose

      Sounds like you have been reading my mind….the younger generation has become so accustomed to the highly technical world we live in that they are not willing to investigate something to see if it is true or not. Barry knew this and played to their weakness,going computer crazy right along with the “young-ins”. Barry used the younger generation lingo,and used their favorite social websites against them. And now the entire country is paying for it.

      • Angel Wannabe

        refuse2lose__I call that collective destruction!

      • Richard Pawley

        But the president, any president, cannot do beans unless he cons congress, bribes congress, threatens congress, browbeats congress…well you get the idea. Presidents come and go, as will this one but congress is forever, and unless we vote them out while we still can.

        • DeJay

          You won’t vote out any politician the Elders don’t want out. Voting for high office is a waste of time, for the Elders have chosen the winners long before the elections take place. Aside from that, the members of government are breaking the laws of the land and those laid out by the Constitution and if they can do it, why can’t we do it???

    • Harold Olsen

      It isn’t just the 1st and 2nd Amendments that are in peril. The left considers the ENTIRE US Constitution to be an illegal document. The only time they use it is when they find something in it that they can twist to further their Nazi agenda. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, for a number of years I’ve been waiting for some whacko activist judge to declare the US Constitution to be unconstitutional. This so-called net neutrality that the Obama regime wants to institute would make it illegal for me to write what I just wrote. You would only be able to access those websites that the government wants you to access and the rest would be banned, including this one. Obama said in a speech a few months ago that too much information is dangerous. He’s right. When you are a wannabe dictator like he is, it is dangerous to him and his ilk for us to get information about him that reveals his true anti-American, racist, lying, Nazi agenda.

      • Angel Wannabe

        HO_Well Said!

      • 45caliber

        Well, one in California recently ruled that the non-gay marriage constitutional amendment (to the California constitution) was certainly unconstitutional. I’ve yet to figure out his logic.

        • Paul C

          The judge should have recused himself, he is gay.

          • Angel Wannabe

            PaulC, Oh that’s right he was!

          • 45caliber

            Yes, he was. And you will find other judges who will also make decisions like his based on personal reasons rather than on what the Constitution really does say.

          • Angel Wannabe

            45caliber, your right and exactly the reason Kagan was put in SCJ too.

          • Richard

            They are a lot like those who support the terror training center at ground zero, any thing can be said or done if it furthers the cause. The latest figures show 72% of Americans oppose that but 62% of our money hungry spineless politicians want it. Even free land half a mile away is not wanted by the Saudis as it will only be a symbol of the terrorist superiority over America if it is very close to ground zero. Someone once said the problem with the USA is that we never lost a war. Germany and Japan did and they are both strong today while we continue to deteriorate to third world status, bankrupt, and broke, and begging for money which is thrown away. OK, it may take a few more years but it will be a lot quicker than you think.

        • kate8

          45, The thing on that was, that the voters had already approved the traditional marriage amendment, and a judge struck it down. So the People got together a referendum, put together a petition to have it (again) placed on the ballot, the citizens AGAIN voted for traditional marriage, and AGAIN a (gay) judge struck it down!!!!

          What the heck is up with that? When does this get settled? Do we go in circles until one side gets tired or runs out of money? And, why does one judge get to decide? Especially one who is obviously biased.

          We now live in an oligarchy. Judges rule. The people get smacked down because we’re too stupid to know anything.

          • 45caliber

            The first time was simply a law. A judge ruled it was unconstitutional against the California constitution. The second time amended the California constitution but the judge now says that it is unconstitutional against the Constitution of the US. He says that under the equal fairness clause that it wasn’t fair to the gays to not have it and the straights did have marriage. It will go to the Supreme Court I’m sure.

            Actually, I think the only reason he made that decision was because he was gay.

            It will continue until the gays get everything they want. And one of the gay leaders said that he will only be satisfied when a boy comes home for high school to announce he is going to the prom with another boy and the parents think that is great.

          • Wayne Litchford

            The homosexual marriage issue will go before the U.S. Supreme and that is exactly what they wanted all along. That’s very scary for those of us whose state constitution already states that “marriage is between one man and one woman”.

            And, of course, the court will rule in favor of the homosexuals. After that, well I guess there will be no “after that”. Hey, wait. There is always amending the U.S. Constitution.

            By the way. Please take note that I did not use their preferred terminology “gay”. I called it what it really is “homosexual”.

          • kate8

            Wayne, It’s true. The left is forever substituting euphemisms to make what has always been considered immoral more palatable.

            Then they ban the real term as un-PC, as it sounds distasteful.

            A spade is a spade.

          • Richard

            Two hundred plus years ago when Congress had trouble with some insane judges who thought they were god the positions those judges had were dissolved, done away with. The ninth judicial court is one that if Congress had any spine they would dissolve, but this Congress considers the thousands of murders by illegal aliens and the million plus sex crimes committed by illegal aliens that I have read about on this site, just a cost of doing business. Someone smarter than me has said that we get the government we deserve and if that is true then we are really behind the eight ball.

    • independant thinker

      “Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Don’t remember who said it originaly but it is very true.

      • independant thinker

        “Uncle Scam is growing stronger every day, and as history teaches us, corruption goes hand-in-hand with power.”

        Oops, this should have been included for a point of reference.

      • Jim Cumber

        “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely!” – Lord Acton (1834-1902) -

        • Bob

          I believe Ben Franklin said it first.

          • independant thinker

            Thanks to both.

    • EddieW

      We need to stand up and fight against any attacks to any of the amendments!!! They trying to take them away from us piecemeal! you give a little here, and give a little there…before you know it, you have nothing left to gie at all!! At least Obama admits he was born in Kenya, and it’s possible he is not even a citizen of this country!! but he is definitely a MUslim…he worshipped with a bunch of muslims at the Capitol building…no Christian would do that!!

      • James

        EddieW, President Obama was indeed born in Kenya, but he has never admitted that. He claims he was born in Hawaii. If you are going to make such statements, back it up with verifiable evidence.

  • dan az

    The only way that I can see to stop this crap is to impeach this muslim diaper head and take back our gov.What else is there?If we cant vote them out then it seems to me there is only one other way.And the way things are going now it dosent look like we are going to have to wait much longer.

    • 45caliber

      I was sorry to hear about McCain yesterday. Perhaps later…

      • Bob

        The sheeple bought his line of BS>

        • 45caliber

          But he is such a conservative, didn’t you know!?

          Out of curiousity, was he once a Democrat? I seem to remember someone from AZ who switched from Dems to GOP when the people began to vote more GOP.

      • dan az

        45
        deep depression!

        • Al Sieber

          dan, I’m with you, very disappointed with the voters of our state, they’ll get the Govt. they deserve.

          • dan az

            Hey Al
            I wonder if there is a way to find out how many calif. are still in az.
            Just seems that we cant get a break!

  • Eric Bischoff

    I think I can speak with a little experience and understand of the technology at stake here being a CIO for a transportation company for the last 30 years and after being an early adopter of email and Web in the early 90′s.

    Please don’t fall for the fear mongering. Net Neutrality is actually a good thing and the last bastion of Democracy and Free Speech. One vote, one voice, one price for access to an on ramp on the internet.

    So unless you are in favor of having the corporations with deep pockets the only ones who have priority and speed and and the rest of us being relegated to one slow lane, go ahead fall for the lies.

    Personally I don’t want corporations and the rich having a first Class section while we are all crammed into small seats with no leg room in the coach lane. I don’t want them drinking champagne while we have peanuts. I don’t want them to have the power to censor and prioritize our constitutionally guaranteed free speech rights.

    Remember one thing we all paid for the development of the internet and the wireless spectrum is also our common wealth. They have found one loop hole with the wireless spectrum. They are merely licensed to use it. This is the beginning of the end. We have the power if we only understand the rules.

    Corporations keep demonstrating that they cannot be trusted to do the right thing on their own. Whether it’s with banking, deep water oil drilling or fracking for gas, they will cut many corners and cross their fingers hoping that they don’t have a disaster on their hand. Often paying the fine is cheaper and built in to their business model.

    There is a lot of money at stake here and this would give corporations way too much control over who can say what and who can read what and that is not acceptable.

    • Conservative at Birth

      So, you are implying that totalitarian socialism is better than the free market? I think, I should have the choice to choose, not live under your whims. I trust business more than I do Government.

      • DaveH

        Oh, but Eric is a CIO. We should listen to him. Does anybody else find it odd that the CIO of a Transportation Company would be bad-mouthing corporations?

        • Angel Wannabe

          DaveH, This guys like a cat that sh*ts, in the same sand box he eats from!

          • JoeUSA

            HA,HA,HA,Ha now that was funny. But what do we do about Uncel Sam poking his nose where it don’t belong?

        • 45caliber

          I love how these people claim to me all really important. I would be willing to bet that most of them are on welfare. Take Eric for instance. He is supposed to be the CIO of a large company – but he is on this thread during business hours. A real CIO wouldn’t have the time or inclination.

          • Angel Wannabe

            45__Good Point!

          • independant thinker

            I love the idea of true net neutrality but unfortunately as so many have pointed out much better than I can IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN if the government has any kind of hand in it.

          • DaveH

            Thinker,
            I think most people can embrace the Liberal Goals, but the difference is – How do we get there? Most of us know that Liberal methods of reaching those goals have failed throughout history. Most of us have to achieve our goals the hard way – by hard work and sacrifice. The Liberals want to achieve their goals by taking away the money and choices of others through the force of Big Government. Their ideas appeal to the ignorant who would rather avoid the hard work and sacrifice and who mistakenly think the Government can accomplish that without crashing our economy.
            To the ignorant – don’t buy the Liberal Siren Song. It will just lead to the same rocky enonomies that have been experienced by every other Socialist economy throughout history.

          • kate8

            45, Yeah, like the WallStreet tycoon who posted yesterday.

            In a pig’s ear. I think this is a new lib tack. Didn’t believe the one yesterday, don’t believe this one today.

            The fact that they both suddenly show up at the same time just confirms it for me.

          • 45caliber

            kate8:
            Liberals are like Muslims. They believe it is perfectly alright to lie if it will achieve their purpose. Many times they will claim to be someone they aren’t to try to make you believe that they are an expert on whatever bull they want to give you. They usually always claim to be rich and famous because they really want to be.

            Consider who buys most of the lottery tickets. It isn’t the rich and in most cases not the middle class!

          • DG

            What is a CIO? Is that supposed to be cEo?

        • eddie47d

          Dave H. Sorry dude but there are CIO’S and CEO’s who can think for themselves (unbelievable isn’t it) There are a few who aren’t corporate sheeple.

          • 45caliber

            Actually most of them think for themselves, eddie. However they also have more important things to do that get on a thread like this and brag. If they did, they would be letting their business slide, which could cost them money.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH and 45caliber,
            isn’t it so nice we have edduhh to give us the benefit of all his knoledge??? it’s so nice that he knew that there was a CIO, but he didn’t tell anyone that it meant Chief Information Officer, as of course he knew. NOT!!!!!!

    • Brad,

      eric,

      Who’s in control of congress right now, if a net neutrality law were introduced today what would it look like? Would the law respect each individuals right to access what ever content, other then illegal content, they wanted to view, read, and or listen to. Net neutrality had a good beginning with trmendous support, today it’s been hijacked as a political tool to control thought, speech, political opinions, and so on. When does government get too big, when we all have to carry a passport just cross state lines to visit relatives or a website has to pass a content test just to receive a license and then go public.

      If net neutrality gets passed into law it affects all of us, big brother at it’s worst, and you are buying into the lefts propaganda and histeria. We don’t need net neutrality, we need freedom from big brother.

      • DaveH

        Eric says “Please don’t fall for the fear mongering”.
        But then he wants us to fall for his fear mongering.

      • 45caliber

        Brad:
        The REAL question is “what would be illegal?”

        What I’m afraid of is that much of what I want to see or read would be illegal.

        • DaveH

          For sure. Think FCC, which got into power under the guise of protecting our electronic airways from overuse. Once in power, they proceeded to strongarm the Radio and TV stations dictating their content. Talk about stifling Freedom of Speech! Government can never be trusted to behave once they get their foot in the door.

    • Brad,

      By the way Eric, this is the United States of America and not China; I tend to embrace the free market society.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Brad, me too bud__Free market has its flaws, but so does eveything else!___left alone most people do the right thing, and if not, the Libs will create another committee, add-a-czar, more regulation & tax, til it is no more__We need to rid the progressives the hell-outta majority, they’re destroying, consumer moral, & making a mockery of the Conststitution.__Votem out!

        • Brad,

          Angel W,

          I’m with ya girlfriend, keep the good fight!!!

      • Harold Olsen

        I agree. Capitalism rules!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          HO, I’ll take the flaws of Capitalism, over having a Government dictating right and wrong to me ANYDAY!!

        • 45caliber

          I’d rather have that than Big Government. At least I can insist I can’t afford whatever it is Business wants me to buy. With the government that isn’t a choice.

        • capt z

          We haven’t had Capitalism in the U.S. since the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, you fools. Mussolini’s own definition of Fascism was “when the national government and industry merge because their interests are the same.” The bailout of AIG, Wall Street, and Goldman Sachs finalized the transition of our country into the first 21st century Fascist State. Eisenhower warned of this danger in his farewell address, but it happened despite his prescient statement. The military-industrial complex, by controlling lobbyists and Congress, runs our country. Why do you think we have been at war since 1950? BECAUSE THE OLIGARCH-FASCISTS MAKE MONEY! All your comments about freedom, the Constitution, conservative policy, liberal viewpoints, “who’s the worst,” are the blithering ignorance of a population that has been hoodwinked by these Oligarchs. The comments on this website are analogous to lobsters arguing and debating all the way to the steamer pot. You do not have a clue!

    • Craig

      “Corporations keep demonstrating that they cannot be trusted to do the right thing on their own.”

      And you think the gov can be trusted? You are a fool.

      • DaveH

        And Eric says he doesn’t “want them drinking champagne while we have peanuts”. Yet, the Ignorant Liberal wants more Government Regulation which leads to more Corporate Cronyism, not less. Witness the mess that is Mexico. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

    • FlaJim

      So, you probably favor the stupid anti-trust laws enacted at the beginning of the past century. In being populist, the government required all those big corporations that were providing reliable services and good products to split up, thus increasing costs to the consumer.

      Yes, competition is good – but not at the expense of raising prices. That’s not what we’re talking about here, either. It’s having the government’s hand interfering with commerce. Government has never made life easier for anyone, domestically. All it’s interested in is control and it doesn’t like the direction that the internet is taking because it’s anti-government.

      It’s frustrated because we’re receiving too much information that they can’t control as well as they control the ‘mainstream media’ who strongly support ‘net neutrality.’ It wants us all to be marching to their tune. The current regime and its cohorts would be screaming if a GOP administration tried this.

    • Jeryl

      You’ve got to be kidding! Since when has the government shown any penchant for doing anything right? They’ll screw this up just like everything else. “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Our government is doing all it can to end true freedom and you’re throwing your support to the dogs.

    • DaveH

      Eric doesn’t want to “give corporations way too much control”, but ask yourselves this ‘When has a corporation forced you to do anything you didn’t voluntarily agree to’?
      Now ask yourselves ‘When has Government forced you to do something you didn’t voluntarily agree to’?
      Government is Force.
      Free Markets are Choice and Voluntary Contracts.
      Without the Force of Government, Corporations can’t make us do anything.

      • dan az

        Dave I’d like to see erics papers I dont think he is who he says he is.
        eric czar who?

    • Dan Burke

      I am not a CIO, but I am also in IT. This has as amazed me for the past year or so when I first started paying attention to Net Neutrality (I used to not care…). I read all these IT people all for Net Neutrality. The assumption seems to be that government will be neutral and benevolent. As others point out, just look to China, Iran, and many many more and you will find that government controls over the internet has many many risks associated with it. So while Net Neutrality sounds great, I am ALL AGAINST it. Not today. Not tomorrow. In a free market, if you don’t like your provider you can try and shop for another. Of course, there are local governments with local contracts that essentially create local monopolies. We buck against those when we cannot get the services we want for our home or business. I lived in an area for a while that we only had one choice for land-line phone service/internet and one other choice for cable/internet–nothing else. It was local GOVERNMENT contract that had us so bound to limited choice. And then I read all these IT gurus who complain about the restrictions they face but now they want a one-size-fits-all-government-dictated-monopoly for the internet??? It just doesn’t compute in my mind.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Dan.

    • TeresaE

      @ Eric

      You mean the same government that recently decided they can walk into your driveway and put a GPS chip on your car to follow your every move – without a warrant?

      Or the same government that can “sneak” into your HOME without a warrant, OR even informing you they were rifling through your underwear drawer?

      Go ahead and believe the propaganda, heck, even smile when someday YOU and YOUR family are doing things the government doesn’t “approve” of.

      For a highly-educated, accomplished executive, you seem really naive. Your family, friends and bosses might not think so, but I wonder what I would learn from your employees.

      I think you need a refresher course on the founding of our once great country and our Constitution.

      Because your diatribe proves you possess no such understanding of just how lucky we used to be.

    • s c

      EB, listen to yourself once in a while. If you know enough to distrust “some” corporations, then you should be smart enough to KNOW that the Fed is THE worst example of a private corporation America ever had. That point goes right over your head.
      Those blinders, those damned rose-colored glasses and the programming you’ve had did quite a job on you, guy. Next, you’ll be quoting Saul Alinsky and Karl Marx, and you’ll expect us to put their insanity on a par with the Ten Commandments or the Founding Fathers.
      Read some Mark Twain. He’ll give you some insights that your “leaders” will never let you think about.
      Either get both feet on the ground, or resign yourself to being just another useful idiot for those who know how easy it is to deceive people who will swallow anything that’s packaged right. And, consider going to AA so you can get weaned off that damned progressive Kruel Ade.

    • Papa-D

      Dear Eric,

      Your very 1st sentence betrays you on a number of levels, the least of which is your claim to be “… an early adopter of email and Web in the early 90′s.” Congratulations on your foresight to utilize technology that had been available for commercial consumption and usage since the very early 70′s!

      • capt z

        To Papa-D: Your post is TOTALLY devoid of ANY knowledge! The Internet was invented by DARPA sometime between 1957 and 1961. Email did not exist by name, but electonic missives were sent back and forth between MILITARY addresses. More and more universities became involved in this revolutionary communication method, but the general public got in ONLY AFTER the World Wide Web protocols were implemented in 1983-85. It took several YEARS before email and the Internet caught on. And for your information, the WWW is not the whole Internet. What is referred to as the “deep web” makes up more than half of the Internet, AND has no search engine. If you don’t know the EXACT address, you cannot find it. Our own design has come back to bite us!

        Please refrain from posting unknowledgeable and untrue statements. This is why WikiPedia and so many other sites are suspect. Anyone can post anything, without constraint. There are no filters or fact-checkers to distinguish between fantasies, suppositions, fabrications, complete lies, and truth. My guess is that 5-10% of what is available online is trustworthy, and that may be generous. Remember the “Year 2000″ disaster? Panic spread by the Internet had NO basis in reality, but there was no true/false filter. The alarm and panic were everywhere but had no basis in reality anywhere.

        • libertytrain

          Capt Z – whilst some of your posts have been a little off the wall for me, this one is right to the point and correct as far as when the Internet was created (and Wikipedia for that matter) – although I thought it was a tad bit earlier in time from my recollections. Very few people were on the Internet in the earlier days just in the beginning of the 90′s, perhaps even late 1980′s. I was on and remember how amazing it was and very rough compared to what we see now – but one knew even then, when it was just beginning to be accessible to the rest of us, that this “surfing” and “Internet” was going to change the world.

  • witsend

    So many of my young nieces and nephews fall into this idea of believing whatever they hear – so long as it comes from the left. They consider themselves to be extremely tolerant and open-minded; and they view that as a good way to be. It is good to a certain extent – However, as sc quoted, “If we don’t stand for something, we will fall for everything!” Right along side that is another quote that really fits the situation (I don’t know who gets credit.) “Don’t be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”

    • DaveH

      They think they are tolerant and open-minded because that is what the Liberals tell them to think. Liberals are anything BUT open-minded. Liberals are the first to force their way on people through Big Government. If their ideas were truly noble, they would be voluntarily accepted by informed consumers in a Free Marketplace.

    • 45caliber

      If we don’t stand for something … then we stand for nothing.

    • Bob

      Papa Bush when he found out W had none

  • Brad,

    Net neutrality has been hijacked by the liberal/progressive movement as a means to control content on the internet, they tried silencing talk radio that didn’t work. The “Rats” are pulling out all the strings in their vein attempts to silence personnal opinions that don’t fit their montra and or political agenda! Nov. 2010 will be a turning point in US politcal makeup in both houses of congress, Obama will be a one and out President just like Jimmy Carter was. Today voters are mad, the rats didn’t listen and they will pay the price for their elitest ideology. All over the country, in both party’s incumbents are loosing their jobs, the people will have the last word in this matter, no politician can buck the will of the people not even a President.

    • DaveH

      Yep, and the Internet is one of their biggest obstacles to total Liberal Domination. With the Internet, uninformed people have a chance to hear ideas that they typically wouldn’t be exposed to by the MSM. Liberals Hate that. Liberals want an ignorant electorate that they can lead around by the nose.

      • Bob

        Everyone who posts anti-gov’t rhetoric on these websites is in a database in Washington so they know who to watch in case their is a revolution brewing.

        • Jeep

          That sounds like a threat, Bob. Maybe I should report you to the FCC. Let’s see if your friends in charge will be “tolerant” of your threatening nature. You could always look to history at the fate of those who follow and support the socialist manifesto. Just ask the Red Army generals that supported the 1917 revolution in Russia. Oh wait, you can’t, most were executed by their leader following the revolution (seems as though Lenin considered them a threat.) Or, perhaps the supporters of the Chinese Revolution in 1949? No, many of those were caught up in the 30 million killed following the civil war there. Well, I could give you more examples of revolutionary supporters becoming liabilities following changes brought about by revolution. But, I suppose you will probably follow on blindly in the “hope” that this inevitability could be “changed” by your loyalty to the socialist cause.

          • Bob

            Hey Jeep I am not a Socialist, far from it. I think you have a problem understanding what you are reading. You probably need Ritalin

          • Jeep

            So, Boooob, all you got from that post was a weak response of “I’m not a socialist…” Waaah. I have to ask, who is it that really lacks a fundamental reading ability?

        • dan az

          bob
          I welcome the feds to come to my house any time and try!hell I would give the the gps cordinates so as to speed things up.oh thats right they already have it with those census idiots that tried to get it.

    • 45caliber

      In Clinton’s GOals 2000 educational program, he wanted a series of things taught in school – honesty (by reporting your parents for misfractions), tolerance for others, etc. All good sounding things until you realize how it was going to be taught. He was asked where they were going to find time to teach these things while teaching all else.

      His solution? Don’t teach reading and writing to the students. No spelling. No English. His argument was that with television there was no need for the students to need to read and write. And he insisted that 90% of all jobs didn’t require it either. He was willing fo the 10% to learn but only in high school after all the rest had been moved to apprentice jobs selected for them by computer in Washtington, DC. Supposedly this way the 90% would have a good trade and the rest would be the supervisors due to their grades. But even they would have their profession selected for them by Washington.

      I wonder who would have been selected to be the leaders of the future?

      • DaveH

        It sounds like the methods used in the USSR before their economic collapse.

        • 45caliber

          Actually he said the idea was copied from Hitler’s Youth Corps program. He stated once that Hitler was the most intelligent man of the 20th Century and he admired him.

  • john

    The real reason behind the fact that anyone under 45 is ignorant in politics and falls for the empty pap that spews forth from the leftist liberal camp is because they control something more powerful than govt….the education system…they’ve been indoctrinating children for years with their poison and your seeing the results of it..in order to pull the rug out from under the feet of the leftist liberal anti-American slugs,we must regain control of our school system and alter it’s curriculum…we need to weed out or at least balance the power in the schools so two sides are presented.We need to take an active role in our childrens education and not just put them on a bus and send them off to leftist boot camp which is what schools are today. It is here that they undermine family,values and religious faith.This is why they are trying to destroy Catholic education schools and home schooling…they want total control and this is where they must be stopped.He who controls the past controls the future.

    • DaveH

      And that is why they fight so hard against school choice. Liberals don’t want you having any choices but the ones they prescribe for you.

    • Angel Wannabe

      john, HUZZAH!___YOUR RIGHT!

    • 45caliber

      And the schools in Europe (particularly Germany) are an excellent example of government run amuck.

    • Bob

      If parents spent more time teaching their children right from wrong they wouldn’t be indoctrinated.

      • 45caliber

        They will be indoctrinated anyway. They have had too much practice at brain washing. And in the system Clinton wanted (Goals 2000) the teacher would ask each student every morning what they saw or heard their parents do or say. (That was to teach them to be honest.) He wanted a 4-person committee to raise children. One parent, a government official, a school medical professional (nurse) and a teacher. Note that 3 of the 4 were government employees. All the child was to be taught was what the committee decided by majority vote. If the parent tried something else, (as learned from the child by the teacher) the child was taken away due to child abuse.

      • 45caliber

        That is why the ability to be able to select schools for your child or homeschool is so important now.

        • Angel Wannabe

          45, there is A LOT of people, in our area alone who are homeschooling their kids__God Blessem!

          • Claire

            Angel—I agree about homeschooling. If my kids were that age, I would be doing homeschooling. Forget the public education system.

          • Angel Wannabe

            ME TOO CLAIR, It wasn’t available when our kids went to school. __I do now however baby sit my Grandkids, i told the kids, let me have the kids while you work, why send them to pro-programmed daycare,at 300 a week, learning some one elses morals & values or none at all.

  • Eric Bischoff

    This is not a right or left issue, that’s what they’d like you to believe. It is a haves and have not issue. It is a democracy and free speech versus corporate control issue.

    Conservative At Birth you are falling for the trap. You have to get out of your fear mode and your erroneous 0nly a free market is good . Without some laws and rules and a legal system to enforce them, we are relegated to anarchy or worse yet fascism. A true free market system would stand with Net Neutrality which means competition without the richest corporations getting an unfair advantage. Do you actually believe that Verizon is going to protect your right to free speech? They have already been busted a few times already censoring internet free speech. You have it backwards.

    Brad, Net Neutrality has been hijacked by wealthy corporations who want to make even more money from you and you are falling the trap also.

    Witsend, I’d rather be flexible and open minded than rigid which only invites the most prevalent disease in America, heart disease and hardening of the arteries which is directly related to our inflexibility.

    This may come as a surprise to some of you here in this community, but there are actually some Americans working for the government who actually are trying to protect us and our common wealth. FCC commissioner Powell almost got away with handing everything over to the corporations, if it wasn’t for a few dedicated FCC employees he might have gotten away with it. The same fight is going on right now.

    The net neutrality argument is about closing the loop hole that the fat cats have found. We already have laws to protect communications and free speech. This is not the government trying to control who can say what it is actually the government doing it’s job and saying this is a free market system and it should remain a free market system.

    A lot of you have flawed arguments. You want a free market system but yet you are against the very basic laws that would insure it remains a free market system. And right now it is anything but a free market system and about to get worse. The game is rigged and it is not in our favor.

    • Craig

      A lot of verbal diarrhea, no clue about reality. You do your brain a disservice.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Actually Craig, unlike you I am presenting a debate and some information. You are merely being rude and not adding anything to the conversation.

        • Bob

          Craig spends too much time watching Fox News.

          • Craig

            No Bob I do not watch Fox news at all. You always lie about people you have no idea of?

        • DaveH

          You are anything but open-minded, Eric. You are just the typical Liberal spewing your left-wing nonsense.

          • eddie47d

            There are those who spread their conservative nonsense also. The conservative wants the free enterprise system to be rigged.(in their favor). That way they know where the loopholes are and can keep the loot for themselves. We’ve tried that failed policy for too long.

          • 45caliber

            Actually, the conservatives tend to believe in capitolism because they are willing to work. That is the real difference between liberals and conservatives. The liberals want everything given to them without having to work for it – and want to take it from those who do. And they always try to justify it by insisting that the ones who are working hard to succeed have some trick or loophole they are keeping from everyone else (the liberal) that allows them to do it.

        • Brad,

          Eric,

          Read this article, http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/the-lowdown-net-neutrality-and-cloud-computing-075 it explains net neutrality and the consiquences of it if the FCC inacts it as law.

          • DaveH

            Don’t hold your breath, Brad. Eric is unlikely to read anything contrary to what he wants to believe. Excessive Hubris Goeth Before the Fall.

          • Brad

            DaveH,

            My friend I had no plans on holding my breath, thanks for the warning any way. I know Eric is way out their in liberal lala land

        • Craig

          You are presenting liberal idiot blabber.

    • FlaJim

      A free market can only exist with laws, government regulation, and the courts? That’s freedom?

      What planet are you from – really?

      • Eric Bischoff

        FlaJim,
        Well yes unless you subscribe to the model that only corporations will do what’s best for us. We have tried some deregulations lately like in banking and I’ like to know how you think that is working out for us.

        Or with the, behind closed doors Cheney energy meetings, deregulations and lack of oversight or environmental impact statements or disaster recovery preparedness like in deep sea oil drilling, how do you think that is working out?

        I am not one of these who believes that we shouldn’t drill anywhere but merely that since this is our common wealth of resources, we should have some say so in how it’s done and what they will do when something goes wrong. You know, unlike BP’s lack of preparedness, a well thought out disaster recovery plan. Accountability.

        The basic framework of any society should stand on two basic laws. Do what you have agreed to do for contract laws and do not encroach on anyone or their property for civil laws and human rights.

        Are you suggesting that we should give the keys to OUR internet house over to Verizon, Comcast, and Google and let them decide for us what the rules of access and content will be?

        • DaveH

          Don’t confuse “deregulation”, Eric, with “different regulations”:
          http://reason.org/news/printer/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

          Banks didn’t get us into this mess, Government did. Use that so-called “open mind” of yours and read Thomas Sowell’s “The Housing Boom and Bust”.

        • Allan

          “behind closed doors Cheney energy meetings”? And how’s that different from behind closed doors Obamacare meetings?

          What part of less government don’t you understand? We need more protection forom government than from corporations. Corporations can’t tax you or pass laws. Government can. Government is full of entrenched opportunists and career liars who rob you of your assets and incentive. Do we need govt? Yes, much less, as the founders tried to tell us.

          With government’s track record, I don’t understand why liberals trust it by default. It is failing us. It has lost most of its credibility, and it only wants to get bigger. As “the Count” said…I only want to bite your neck”.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        Free Market, there’s no so animal. Not with cartels, market manipulators and pale blooded flotsam like the Rockerfellers, Mellons, DuPonts, ad nauseum dictating what the price of air should be.

        • DaveH

          We haven’t had Free Markets for a long, long time.

          • Bob

            Pretty soon the gov’t is going to control water rights. It’s now happening in the west.

          • Allan

            I just took a vacation to California and drove past the areas that are being systematically denied water by the government. Sign after sign on private land cried out against the government. Those farmers are in trouble, and we’re talking about a large area. Crops and trees are discolored and dying. If the left wants a revolution, they are certainly paving the way.

          • dan az

            Allen
            Its the california dust bowl history repeating its self!

          • Al Sieber

            Bob,you’re right about the water rights, go to : Landrights.org you’ll find lots of info. about what the Govt. is doing. I lease a lot of land from the Govt..

    • RivahMitch

      Eric, like you I can claim some familiarity with the issues and complexities of “Net Neutrality” having been a member of the original NSFNET team and continuing to participate in online (but very unofficial) discussions on relevant topics. Like you, I don’t want ATT, Verizon or my local cable company controlling which content I can get (primarily with an eye on their profitability). However, I believe in the old 1st Amendment canard about “Freedom of the Press” and, IMHO, the promise of the Internet is that potentially EVERYONE can now have their own electronic press. I note that the FEC has (coincidentally) decided that only those the government decides qualify as “Press” can publish information about political candidates immediately prior to elections and have my suspicions about the motivations of that ruling.. (Funny that as technology allows people to disseminate or publish their ideas regulation springs up to stop them). Perhaps I spent too many years in the belly of the (government) beast to believe it can be trusted but I believe a number of things which have happened over the last decade and a half have been aimed at control of electronic content and finance. In short, remember that the government which can give you what you (think you) want can also take away that which you (think you) have .

      • Brad,

        Sir,

        I believe you have hit the nail on the head.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Rivamitch, right on buster!

      • DaveH

        Kudos, RivahMitch.

      • dan az

        I think the gov. should sue al (I created the internet)gore if they dont like it!And leave us alone!

    • 45caliber

      Eric:

      Today’s government cannot be trusted – ever. Their only goal is to reduce the population to slavehood. While it might be nice to use the government to block corporations on some things, anything you allow them to do will be twisted to give them more control over you. And don’t think the government is against big business! Big business is the ones who are providing them with money. I’m talking about both sides, not just one Party. If you check the Democrats get as much money from big business as the GOP does. Perhaps more.

      I am against anything the government might believe should be done “for our good” – at least until we can get rid of most of them and replace them with people who really do care about the country.

      • RivahMitch

        Hey 45!

        We’re largely in synch, I think. However, you wrote:”Today’s government cannot be trusted – ever.”

        With all due respect, I think it’s a more generic problem than just “Todays government”. Personally, when dealing with ANY government at any time, I think the operative advice is… Trust, BUT VERIFY!!!

    • Al Sieber

      Eric, Fascism is government by regulation, we’re already heavily regulated, do you want more?

  • Les

    INTERNET = INTernational NETwork

    When did someone start owning it all?

    Good luck trying to maintain control. You can see how well control works in China & Iran, information finds a way in despite the thought police or any other scheme.

  • Eric Bischoff

    It seems to me that you are all buying into the propaganda and you have not really taken a close look at how things are being written and who is proposing what. Things are not as they appear to be.

    Free market and competition is what we deserve but it is not what the wealthy multinational corporations are proposing. They are proposing that they should decide who has access and that the highest bidders will have better access and the poor will have the least and slowest access. Which one are you?

    If you believe that a corporation is a person, as the corrupt supreme court has just decided, and they should have the right to spend as much money as they want to get their guy elected regardless of what the people want and that only corporations should have the right to decide who has access and what content is appropriate, than by all means vote against net neutrality.

    But if you believe in democracy, free speech, a fair and free market and real competition then you might want to stand on the side of net neutrality protected by the FCC.

    Make up your minds it’s not that complicated.

    • DaveH

      Eric, I believe in “democracy, free speech, a fair and free market and real competition”, and I know that the only entity that can (and has) stifle that effectively is Big Government.

      And leave it to Eric to attempt to sway us with the the adolescent manipulative statement “Make up your minds it’s not that complicated”.

      Try the Liberal boards, Eric, where they are ignorant enough to fall for such nonsense.

      • Angel Wannabe

        HERE, HERE___DAVEH!

      • Al Sieber

        DaveH, I’ll buy you a beer for that post.

    • John S.

      Eric,

      Well said. We all need to put the political party of choice aside and look at the issue. What is being represented by the telecom corporations is tiered access with corresponding costs. In simple terms, for those who are totally confused by the issues, if you pay more, you will have better and faster access than those who cannot afford the first class ticket. Net neutrality supports the same level of access for all.

      Let us remember that these corporations did not develop the NET. Public universities developed the system. The corporations only provide an access point. For that, they want to own the total access and control how much they deem you to have based on your ability to pay.

      The question that needs to be asked here is just who’s best interest is at stake in the eyes of the telecom group trying to control access? If you think that it is the public, I feel sorry for you. These people want total control on their terms and they want you to fund it through higher prices for less access.

      • DaveH

        Oh, Puhlease. So now the Liberals think that Internet Access is a Right. Give me a break. It costs money to set up these services. Will you donate your time for free? If so, don’t just give us lip service. Get together with your “intelligent” Liberal Cohorts and do it! You Dummies don’t think Big Government costs us a lot of money? Government spends 37% of our GDP in this country. That isn’t enough?

  • NormP

    Money is the key. When they look at the UN-regulated internet they see dollar signs. Rest assured money is the reason that they want regulation and that money WILL go exclusively to the progressive movement, just like it does to the unions.

  • jopa

    It’s not a matter of owning the internet it’s a matter of control over what you will be able to view.Today on google when yyou type in a word the most searched out and popular site comes up first.Usually this is the information you are looking for but what verizon and google plan on doing is having the company or corporation that pays them the most have their site will pop up first.Wasting everyones time with crap we don’t want to see which is just one point.The internet is fine like it is and I wonder if it would help if everyone used differant search engines and dumped Verizon and Google.

    • DaveH

      Are you handicapped, Jopa? You can’t bring yourself to look a little further down the list? For your laziness, we should allow Government to get their dirty hands on the Internet?

    • Tom

      Jopa….

      What cave have you been hiding in?

      On Google, the most popular and searched out site is NOT at the top. Google sells those adwords to the highest bidder everyday. That is why the links at the top are know as ‘Sponsored Links’. Everybody (apparently not you) knows this and scrolls down to the ‘real’ links they are looking for…

      As I said before, get your head examined.

  • THINK ABOUT

    Don’t like regulation, next time you fly imagine what could happen if there was not any reulation. Next time you drive down the street, think about drivers going much, much over the speed limit, regulations control that also. Want your kids watching anything and everything on tv, movies, etc, remember you do not like regulations and the air waves are open. Want to regulate shows like Rachel Maddow, then all the rest will be regulated. Don’t want our youngsters going to school with what you describe as “libs”, then get teachers in the class rooms with your views. Don’t like Verison and other communication companies peeping on your phone calls, also a regulation on that, except for the fact of unprotected wire tapping by executive order, we was regulated on that also. Don’t want your hospitals clean, remember without regulation that also could happen. Want to control freedom of speech, religion, then maybe we should also control arms. Where do you want to stop or start.

    • DaveH

      Before the Airlines were de-regulated, only the Rich could afford to fly often. Afterwards, just about anybody could afford to fly. Now, again thanks to Big Government, fewer and fewer people are flying due to an aversion to being ogled and groped by Government Goons.
      In 1921 there was a short economic collapse. Why short? Because the Government didn’t get involved with their heavy-handed solutions. Ten years later, the Government did get involved, and they gave us the Great Depression.
      Yes, we need to be protected from fraud, but having the good companies jump through myriad hoops does not save us from fraud. It just costs us a lot more money. So what is the Liberal (I include Big Government Republicans) solution for bad company behavior? They bail them out, so they can live to be bad again on another day.

      • Bob

        In 1980 Jimmy Carter deregulated the trucking industry and all the medium sized companies were put out of business. The new companies were non union and paid half as much. The large companies all survived.

    • TeresaE

      @think

      So you think without heavy handed regulation that the greedy airlines would be allowing planes to fall out of the sky?

      Really? Would YOU climb on a plane with that kind of track record?

      The government ALREADY heavily regulates pharmaceuticals, yet, for some reason, pills that KILL you keep being approved.

      Society used to be “policed” by citizens with common sense. We didn’t let neighbors kids in our yards to destroy our stuff, we didn’t shop at stores or patronize restaurants that ripped us off, sold crap goods or killed people. We used the sense given to us and made our own decisions.

      Over the past 30 years, or so, instead of protecting ourselves, our property and our families, we shucked common sense (that is soooo archaic) and continuously run to the courts, or the politician, to protect us and keep us “safe.”

      Oh, wait, I know see the problem, common sense. The one thing the schools are determined to beat out of those children that still have some.

      • DaveH

        It is all about the Leaders gaining more wealth and power. The truth is that most of them could care less about us. They are in it for themselves.

      • THINK ABOUT

        Ever thought about planes landing and taking off, guess they could all go at one time. Have you ever tested a restaurant to see if the food is safe to eat? Want to enter a street with drivers going 100 mph? Want your kids to be subject to perverts violating them without any recourse in putting the perverts away? There are proper regulations which are needed and in many cases it is provided by government agencies.

    • Craig

      The idiot libs think sensible regulation is the same as NO regulation. No conservative has ever championed NO regulations. We do not like excessive regulations that end up making the business environment in the US hostile to business. You clearly have no clue how the free market system, that made this country great, works. Socialism has never made a country great.

  • jopa

    Ps. Bill Maher is hilarious,the only reason I subscribe to HBO.Rachel Maddow just won the Walter Cronkite award for her work so she has to be good.I have watched her show and checked out the information she puts forth and she is truly honest in reporting.That’s what I liked about Uncle Walter you could trust him.

    • refuse2lose

      You have got to be kidding,right? Maher is an absolute idiot and has bashed Christianity to a point where he is considered worse than Darwin. And as far MadCow getting a Cronkite Award,that just shows how liberal she really is. Open your eyes,stop living with them WIDE-SHUT.

      • DaveH

        I watched Bill Maher once. I thought he was mentally handicapped.

      • Bob

        Bill Maher claimed after 911 that it was an inside job. CH7 fired him. He’s now on HBO and spouts the gov’t story. What a phony. Unfortunately he was born in NJ.

    • Tom

      OMG!!!

      You are completely brainwashed!

      To say that Maddow tells the truth is a complete lie. She is against America and what it stands for (at least what it used to).

      I suggest you get your head examined as it is apparently already stuffed up your ass….

      • Brad,

        Tom, Dave H, and refuse2lose,

        I just watched clips of Bill Maher and Rachel Maddow, man those two are out in left field, maybe that’s why I don’t watch MSNBC and HBO, they are both far left progressives from the word go.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Tom I suppose you think that Fox is the only truth. The network owned by Australian porn king Ruppert Murdoch and a Saudi Prince and the real money behind the King Foundation and the ground zero mosque. THe network running attacks on follow the money behind the mosque but not telling the truth that Fox and it’s second largest owner is actaully behind the foundation and the mosque. OMG!!! who needs their head examined?

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

    Just like virtually everything said, published or recorded by Progressives/Liberals/Socialists/Statists of either party; they use words that mean one thing to most everyone but the contents of “their” concept is exactly opposite of the routine or expected definition.

    “Net Neutrality” is anything but neutral and is actually the embodiment of censorship executed by those promoting it. It is their form of “The Fairness Doctrine” (for on air radio) applied to the Internet. The Fairness Doctrine is anything but fair just like Net Neutrality is anything but neutral. Both concepts have been designed to limit or virtually eradicate Conservatism while simultaneously promoting Progressivism.

    Voting every November may not adequately protect our God given rights and I agree that this nation is ripe for a rebellion by the people that may very well become known as the Second American Revolution. The crux of the people’s dissatisfaction comes from policies, decisions and actions associated with our “Personality Disordered Diaper-Head-in-Chief”, his administration, and the rest of his minions often referred to as the crew of the “Pirates-on-the-Potomac” in both houses of Congress. Such consistent displays of arrogance and governing against the will of the people are self inflicted wounds that they suffer from (politically) and we suffer from in every measurable way. IF that situation ignites there may not be enough Kevlar and physical protection for any of those pirates to survive. The viable options for solid citizens are dwindling fast to protect themselves and preserve this nation.

    Included here are a few motivational YouTube videos to help keep concerned citizens focused on doing their civic duty every November under the titles of AMERICA RISING parts I and II that will be informational as well as highly motivational and can be found at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0bh77k2Wdk and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apQukuaXGs4&NR=1. I did not put these messages together but found that they resonated with me and will resonate with many of Personal Liberty readers/members. You will want to turn your speakers on and the volume UP as the sound tracks on these two professional grade productions are well worth listening to at great volume. Enjoy and repeat as necessary!

  • Paul

    I am 100% against the idea of internet control even if this net-neutrality may backfire on the liberal/progressives. When facts and valid arguments are presented against emotions and Utopian ideals then it is pretty easy to see which side is in the right…

    • 45caliber

      The right side of course.

  • KEV

    Eric,

    Look up the definition of Fascism. The corporations and government collude to control everything while leaving the illusion of free markets. Beware of what you wish for…for you know not what you do? Trading your freedom for security will strip you of both. Making the fight between left and right is a mistake that was formulated for you because both of them treat you as the “Usefull Idiot”. I feel sorry for people that believe any of these elites.

    k

    • 45caliber

      Right and Left was formulated to give the deception that you had a choice in government. Actually both sides are very close in ideas and actions. They join together every time someone comes along with a different party or different ideas.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

    Jim has it figured out, scary ain’t it. Why do you think americorps has a “respond to public safety incidences” in their mission statement?
    Remember barry’s promise to create a civilian security force, equally trained and equipped as the military? Better be deciding what stand you are going to take. “Sell your soul for a loaf of bread today sir?”
    You would think there would be enough government employees (law enforcement/military),that have a conscience, to keep the powers that be from attacking its own people….wait a minute…. THAT’S WHAT THEM DANGED YANKEES DID! “That was funny, I don’t care who you are”.

    • 45caliber

      The military and the police do have honor enough to not go along with what the politicians want. I suspect one of the main reasons that the military is so involved in the Mid-East is to insure the military is out of the country. For some reason, also, the police departments are always calling for more people – but somehow never get them.

      Oblama’s security force is almost certainly going to consist of people like the new Black Panthers, La Raza, etc. who all have personal reasons to try to dominate the people of the US. (And I’d like to know where it is right now.) Oblama’s idea of requiring all students to “volunteer” for work helping the country also included three months of training, particulary for high school and college kids. And somewhere I read that was to include things like searching neighborhoods and houses, resisting riots, etc.

  • Bob

    Wait until those hundreds of thousands of mercenaries come home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Where do you suppose the gov’t is going to put them to work.

    • 45caliber

      What mercenaries? If you are referring to our military, you are wrong on several counts. One of them is that military soldiers are mercenaries.

      Soldiers defend your freedom and rights to make stupid statements. Mercenaries fight for whoever pays them the most. BIG DIFFERENCE!

    • Jeep

      Ever hear of Fort Bragg, Bob? I think I’ve told your cowardly stink to go there before and call the first steely eyed, flat bellied paratrooper you see a “mercenary”. Obviously, you have not done so you milksop. I am sure they would wear you out with patriotism. Those men and women who stand in harms way so you can “excercise your first amendment rights” would certainly be glad to take you on a tour of Kabul and leave your pathetic, reeking butt behind. Take care on how you speak of our brave patriots.

      • libertytrain

        Jeep – yes to your post – they would.

      • Bob

        Hey Jeep I heard that you are being recalled by Chrysler.

      • Bob

        Hey Jeep I’m talking about Blackwater and the rest you fool. Don’t you understand anything?

        • Jeep

          Nice try at back-peddling, Bob. Who is the fool? It was quite clear from your post who you were talking about. Oh well, can’t teach an old liberal new tricks can you? They just keep singing the same old song like a broken record.

    • Claire

      Bob–What is it with you? Why do you call our soldiers mercenaries? As I have said a hundred times–I do not approve of this war, I never have but I will tell you this. I support our soldiers in whatever foreign country they are in. I do not consider them to be mercenaries. Never. To me, they are doing the job our government told them to do and that includes both parties. Both parties supported this war.
      What if you had a son that had to go to war? What would your thinking be?

    • Al Sieber

      Bob, are you talking about Blackwater, now called “XE”?

      • Bob

        Yes Al I am. Some people are so ignorant they only know what tv tells them. They are clueless. My whole family was in the service.

        • Claire

          Ignorant?? You might take a good look at yourself and your oown posts. Why didn’t you say Blackwater in the first place? The way you posted, you put all soldiers in the same category.

          • Claire

            “own”

          • Jeep

            Claire, it’s the same liberal dodge when someone calls them out on such disparaging remarks. It’s just a glimpse into the black heart of how they really feel.

          • Claire

            Jeep–Thanks for the comment. I know I am not perfect and I try to make myself “clear” about what I am saying, but I know I can goof up too. I really take offense if anyone tries to treat our soldiers badly. And I sure as heck will take offense if anyone treats them badly when they come home. It honks me off to no end. I remember how people treated the Viet Nam Vets, that was totally uncalled for and I never want to witness that sort of behavior ever again.

  • IDGem

    An old Republican here that depends on MSNBC and Daily Kos and Huffington for reporting that is on an even keel and not off in ultra right land. I’m sick of the right and the posturing. Give me back the party of Danforth!

    • 45caliber

      You may be a Republican but you aren’t a conservative. Particularly if you believe the pap that MSNBC, Daily Kos, and Huffington Post put out is honest reporting.

      • Mike B

        And Rush Limbaugh is a better source
        ?

        • 45caliber

          Darned if I know. I’ve never heard the man.

          • Mike B

            More a Sarah Palin kinda guy huh?

          • 45caliber

            I haven’t heard her speak either. But I have relatives in Alaska who like her. And they have liberal friends who also like her – and voted for her.

          • 45caliber

            I don’t pay much attention to what a politician or talk show host says – I pay attention to what they do.

          • dan az

            45
            pass the raid can there coming in from all directions!

        • Allan

          In my experience, Rush debates issues without wishing his disagreers would die. Huff post, MSNBC, Kos wish their disagreers dead. That makes Rush better out of the gate.

          • capt z

            I do not understand how a drug addicted, dope addled, rascist, self-contradicting, hypocritical blowhard has become the spokesman/titular head of ANYTHING, much less the Republican Party! An airhead, muddleheaded, self-righteous QUITTER as a Presidential contender? An alcoholic, greedy, oblivious-to-the-truth, prevaricator leading 100,000 followers to the Lincoln Memorial? Sean Hannity and Oliver North raising $8.5 million for U.S. Iraqi veteran orphans, but having $8 million in EXPENSES? HOW stupid do these greedheads think we are? Are conservatives robots, no longer able to think?

  • KEV

    IDGem,
    .
    It does not matter if you were a Republican and have become a Democrat. I imagine your principles blow in the wind and follow along with whatever you are being fed on the Parties propoganda machines. Keep watching but watch out when principled constitutionally led people roll over both your parties:)….without violence!

    • Mike B

      There is no more propaganda on the left than on the right. The difference I see is that the rights propaganda has a little more humor in that so many buy into. Birthers and the Muslim questioners are prime examples. When I need a good laugh, I listen to Rush.

      • 45caliber

        I’m beginning to think that most of the listeners Rush claims are liberals.

        • Mike B

          He does have a way of making the majority of Liberals think he’s the spokesman for Republican views.

          • Jeep

            Mike B, catch a clue. Now follow me on this…I know a closed mind has difficulty understanding prinicipled concepts (like individual freedom, smaller govt, lower taxes, less welfare, strong national defense and the like). Rush is an unabashed Republican with conservative ideas. He has a radio program that is…are you ready? A talk show. You know, entertaining and informative. Keep that first word in mind as you try to grasp this, entertaining. Rush does not claim to be a news broadcaster. Got it, yet? I know, I know, you really want to hate him because he takes the “news of the day” and gives out his opinion on it. And, in general you probably disagree with his opinion. I just wonder why that frightens you so.

          • Claire

            I don’t care for Rush, and I am not afraid of him. I just do not like his mannerisms. It is HIM I do not like, he is on an ego trip. I will go along with maybe some of what he says, but certainly not all. Most definitely, he is an entertainer tooting his own horn. I have noticed with him—it is “I” this and “I” that, especially when he refers to himself, he has put himself on a pedestal. I think Beck is becoming more “popular.”

      • KEV

        Birthers are built not on if Obama was born here as much as his status after schooling in Indonesia. He may have come home after being forced to denounce his USA citizenship…a prerequsite to enrollment. Following that he was permitted back in to the USA as a naturalized citizen…Similar to Arnold. And no a Certificate of live birth is not a Birth Certificate so don’t tell me you have seen it.

        I am excited to watch you support a Muslim way of life. Can’t wait to see your daughter find her rights striped from her…head coverings…circumcism with pen knife….no mobility and just stone her if she cheats on her husband. Theocracy will be great…You fool…They are here to slowly take over our system of government using the Constitution to do it with your support. Glad I have boys:)

  • Ron

    Please check out http://www.infowars.com

    Please stop the shots, stop the r.f.i.d. chips, and stop the internet take over.

    We all must demand it.

  • Jeep

    Wasn’t it Justice Robert Jackson who wrote, “The Constitution is not a suicide pact”? Anyway, it seems fitting, in light of all the recent liberal advancements on our freedoms and liberty, that we consider this apt phrase.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com V

    AMEN my brother! But at this rate seems like we’ll be LUCKY to be only just like China…if things don’t radically (pardon the pun) change, we’ll be more like IRAN!…

  • t.o.m. pay. ne

    Blogger News:
    . – - “Phil. PN wants to impose a license on bloggers,
    i.e. pay city $300/year to run a business, tho some
    bloggers earn nothing.’ aug. ’10
    O’seas Investing:
    . . . see sov er -
    .eign socity for ease of opening accts o’ seas for shares,
    but new regs on all fin. accounts (must report ‘financial
    accouts u control’ if over $10k/value in a year).
    but what about an qitues, land, houses owned directly w/o ‘accounts/”

  • http://www.kjnf.net jimmimax

    Dr Savage wrote a book called “Liberalism A Sickness, An Illness, A Decease, he hit the nail on the head it was a top seller, did the loony libs listen no! They went on the all out attack as figured they made his point for him they have a mental disorder called a “Brain Virus” that is why they are so screwed up in the head, as the virus eats the center of the brain the part that allows reason and logic the more it is eaten the more screwed up they sound like Pelosi, we have to pass it so we know whats in it! Or Weiner, what a wack job or Grayson in Florida, or Oberman on MSNBC, Chris the bonehead Mathews, hard ball sure Chris and the list of screwballs goes on and on and on! Remember they are the ones who call for tolerance, now 30 to 40 blacks in Iowa were at the fair calling for Beat down whitey day, Obama’s doing?

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