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The Stench Of Fascism

January 21, 2013 by  

The Stench Of Fascism
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Whether you rejoice or are disappointed when a member of Congress is defeated, you should never feel sorry for him. He still has a lucrative career ahead. Same for Congressional staff and upper-level bureaucrats who move back and forth between K Street and various Federal alphabet soup agencies. They are the true 1 percent.

More than 80 House and Senate members found themselves out of work when the 112th Congress closed its session on Jan. 3. They quickly lined up for lucrative positions on K Street: jobs paying six- and seven-figure salaries. Good for them, you say? Yes, it is, but not for you.

“They are attractive,” Julian Ha, practice leader for government affairs at the executive search firm Heidrick & Struggles told The Hill. “Depending on the association and their needs, they can bring a big name and immediately leverage their Hill networks and maybe even senior government contacts to help the association. Members can be very valuable, but associations need to think through their needs and ask what they can bring.”

According to The Hill, former lawmakers increase their salaries from the $187,000 per year they made as public servants to from $400,000 to up to more than $1 million for the right position. And they still get to walk the halls of power and rub shoulders with their former compadres.

They also wield more power. “Lawmakers” don’t write bills; corporations and their lobbyists do. Sometimes those lobbyists are on Congressional staffs, as in the case of the Obamacare bill, which was written by Senator Max Baucus (Fascist-Mont.) staffer and former WellPoint vice president Liz Fowler.

In celebrating the bill’s passage, Baucus had high praise for Fowler.

“I wish to single out one person, and that one person is sitting next to me. Her name is Liz Fowler. Liz Fowler is my chief health counsel. Liz Fowler has put my health care team together. Liz Fowler worked for me many years ago, left for the private sector, and then came back when she realized she could be there at the creation of health care reform because she wanted that to be, in a certain sense, her profession lifetime goal. She put together the White Paper last November–2008–the 87-page document which became the basis, the foundation, the blueprint from which almost all health care measures in all bills on both sides of the aisle came,” he said.

It is essentially the same plan that the health-insurance-industry lobbying firm Health Insurance Association of America — now known as America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) — wrote as Hillarycare in 1992. It’s a plan in which the insurance industry is making out like a bandit, as it is guaranteed millions of new customers and a bottomless Federal Treasury to pay their bills. Yes, it benefits those same insurance companies leftists so stridently loathed for the “unfair” way they covered only those who paid their bills. (Not that becoming entangled in the “deathcare” system that is American healthcare is a goal one should strive for, but that is a topic for another day.)

I wrote last week about Baucus. His former staffers who are now lobbyists all got their clients millions of dollars in special benefits from the recent fiscal cliff deal. In return, Baucus received thousands of dollars in political contributions from those companies’ political action committees. Meanwhile, almost 80 percent of Americans were socked with a tax increase. This is business as usual in Washington.

But it’s even worse when it’s the alphabet soup Federal agencies that are supposed to “protect us” by regulating our food, water, energy, etc. There is a revolving door between Congress, Congressional staffs, watchdog agencies and big corporations.

Typical is the case of Michael Taylor, the Deputy Commissioner for Foods for the Food and Drug Administration. Over his career, he has jumped from the FDA to a law firm representing Monsanto (where he worked specifically for Monsanto), back to the FDA, over to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, back to the law firm, over to Monsanto, to a think tank, to a university and back to the FDA.

During his second tenure at the FDA, the agency’s policies regarding genetically modified organisms (GMOs) were changed to allow them pass without scrutiny. GMOs are hazardous to the people and animals exposed to them, as I wrote here. Unfortunately, avoiding GMOs is becoming an impossible task. And who is the king of GMOs? None other than Monsanto.

About 90 percent of all corn, soybeans and cotton are grown from genetically engineered seeds. The genetically modified products are now found in about 70 percent of all American processed food. And Monsanto controls about 90 percent of all genetically engineered seeds. In other words, Monsanto has almost a complete monopoly on the U.S. food supply. It accomplished this by becoming the fourth branch of government.

And now Obama, the “champion of the working man,” is promoting Jack Lew for Treasury Secretary to replace Turbo Tax Tim Geightner. Who is Jack Lew? Besides being the man with a signature that looks like it belongs on top of a Dolly Madison cupcake, Lew is a revolving door Congressional staffer/K Streeter/Wall Streeter.

As The Washington Examiner reports:

Lew was a Democratic congressional staffer in the 1980s, eventually becoming senior policy adviser to House Speaker Tip O’Neill and executive director of the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee. When O’Neill retired after the 1986 election, Lew cashed out on K Street.

Lew became a partner at Van Ness Feldman, where he specialized “in energy and regulatory law,” according to a New York Times article at the time. Back then lobbyists and lobbying firms did not need to register as such, but Van Ness Feldman’s focus was mainly Capitol Hill: It was founded by four Democratic congressional aides, and National Journal reported at the time that “lobbying accounts for nearly half the firm’s work.”

With Bill Clinton’s election in 1992, Lew passed back through the revolving door, serving eight years in the White House, including a stint from 1998 to 2001 as director of the Office of Management and Budget.

After that, Lew spent a few years as an administrator at New York University before going to Wall Street.

In June 2006, Lew joined Citigroup, one of the five largest banks in America, where he worked under fellow Clinton alumnus Robert Rubin. In January 2008, Lew became chief operating officer of Citi Alternative Investments.

Lew’s CAI unit engaged in exactly the sort of activity that Democrats blamed for the financial collapse and have aimed to ban through legislation: “proprietary trading.” That means Lew’s unit was investing Citi’s own money as opposed to helping clients make money.

Following Citibank’s bailout with taxpayer money, Lew pocketed an almost $1 million bonus from the financial services firm. So whose interests do you think will be forefront in Lew’s mind has he writes monetary policy?

This is the fascist system under which we currently exist. It’s fascism under the sweet-sounding name of democracy. It sounds sweet but stinks to high heaven.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    The problem is Fascism and Democracy are not sympatico. Rarely can any disguise of Fascism remain so for long. Especially if said disguise is a system based on rule of the people. True Democracy can never work because it leads to tyranny of the majority. But a successful system of government still requires a democratic element. Other wise the tyranny of the minority arises. Its why the founders were judicious and made a two chamber congress. With the Senate to provide equal representation to all states. And the House to provide even representation of the people within the states. The problem with regulation as with any type of oversight or enforcement or managing is that it requires good people who do their job. The big problem is that so many of our nations regulators are corrupted into allowing the companies in their jurisdiction to just do whatever they want. This leads to chaos and problems like Monsanto or The Gulf Oil Spill. When corporations are allowed to police themselves they always cut corners if it will save a buck. They do this regardless of consequences for the consumer. Its perfectly exemplified in the Wall Street Moguls who played all sorts of financial games which resulted in the economic collapse. Than they demanded billions of dollars in bail out money while crying crocodile tears about how they must be given the money without conditions or they could fail. And so the agencies responsible for regulating caved and gave it to them no questions asked. Another example would be health care companies who deny people healthcare based on what often seem like made up rules. They do what they can to save a buck while keeping the patient in a bureaucratic limbo that prevents them from getting a necessary procedure. And any attempt to regulate this industry is decried by the members of the industry as socialism. And they do all in their power to prevent it. We need oversight over massive corporations and industries. If corporations are to be considered people they must also face a corporate police force. Just as people have safety and procedural regulations that they must follow while on the job so corporations need regulations over their working environment and procedures. But for these regulations to work we the people need to get involved politically as much as possible. Our politicians from our Representatives to our President work for us. And since we are the bosses we need to make sure to check up on our employees as often as possible. We need to show that we care and that we are not afraid to hold peoples feet to the fire. We need things like the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street. We need to increase voter turn outs during elections. Above all we need to to keep as close an eye as possible on those working closest to us. We need to learn the names of our local congressman or congresswoman and learn the name of our states Senators. We need to petition these our representatives to push for lobby reform and campaign finance reform. We need to make our politicians beholden to us the people, not special interests. We need to demand for more transparency in government and an end to things like so called Super Pacs. Only by getting active in over seeing our government can we ensure that those we put in place to over see industries and the environment can be trusted to do those jobs. We need to have our government be our watch dog. But like any dog we need to keep an eye on it as well.

    • Vicki

      The key to good government is LIMITING the power that can be delegated to government. Example By forbidding government the power to suppress free speech even if a majority of 99.99999999% want to suppress speech the government is NOT allowed to. This also protects the majority from a minority wanting to suppress free speech even if all the K street lobbyists want it.

      This ~10 min video will explain:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      Of course to be effective the people IN government have to actually understand and honor their oath.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I would disagree somewhat Vicki. However small a government is if the people in power are corrupt it will do little good. And in the mean time those who would take advantage of the lack of over sight will abuse their freedom. I respect that bad politicians can use peoples fears and propose radical solutions that will supposedly solve the problem. These often involve suppression of the people and limiting their freedom of speech or press or their right to bear arms. I do not support tyranny. The issue for me is that while a politician can exaggerate a problem and take advantage of it it does not mean real problems do not exist. The issue for me is that the media blow all issues out of all proportion until its nearly impossible to tell which problems are real and which are over blown. And as a result of this hyperbole I have seen a rise in equally hyperbolic rhetoric from protestors and candidates for office. These arguments come from both sides and consist of nothing more than exaggerating the problems and simplifying the solutions. On all sides the enemy is those who disagree. And the argument is constantly about how things would be so much better if only those people could be silenced or stopped. Another argument that often turns hyperbolic is the issue of government over reach. This is a key issue for me. For me its a matter of where to draw the line. I might sound like I am on a soap box but the reality is that there needs to be a watchdog against powerful entities like corporations and unions in the same way that there is a watchdog for the people. A line must be made as to how far such a watchdog can go. But the watchdog must be given the necessary freedom to do their job. My belief in regards to government right now is less that it has too much over sight and more that it does not use that oversight effectively or ethically. I am open to suggestions of areas where indeed it has over reached. But for the most part I want better government not less. I do not believe less government will help anyone save special interests and powerful entities like unions and corporations. But I believe better government is beneficial to us all. A better government will hold groups like Monsanto accountable. A better government is one which by the force of the people is more transparent and beholden to the voters. A better government is one whose members respect the oaths that they take.

      • Vicki

        Who watches the watcher?

      • boyscout

        In a system that is apparently corrupt from top to bottom and all throughout, it seems that Vicki’s question gains validity with each and every turn.

      • eddie47d

        Wall Street reform has always been voted down by Republicans. Consumer protections have always been voted down by Republicans such as in July of 2011. Republicans also voted against or diluted funding for consumer protection and the overseeing of the oversea derivative markets. Republicans voted against making Corporate salaries public knowledge and to exempt investment advisors from having to register with the SEC. Since the Democrats always vote for Wall Street reform I would say they do nothing more than take advantage of the loopholes that the Republicans refuse to close. When it comes to political contributions the Republicans and Democrats are fairly equal in what Wall Street bequeaths to them such as Goldman Sacs and Morgan Stanley. When Insider Trading was exposed with Democrats and Republicans alike I was hoping that reforms would take an urgency in Washington. Too many crooks and liars gaming the same system from different angles makes them all wealthy and untrustworthy.

      • Texas Ride

        Washington needs to be purged as it is corrupt to the core. The present corrupted version of Washington government has been allowed to run amok! There is no way it can be returned to “sanity or reason” or be returned to an acceptable version of what our founders had in mind and what real Americans want. Forget the fascist, marxist, dictatorship that allows total corruption to rule this country.

        As an immediate solution, the States must take back their powers that they have allowed to be taken from them by the Fed. The Governors must help to reinstate the Constitution and govern “locally” while a Republic is re-established!

        Corporations need to be put in their place! They should not be represented by governmnet shills! Government and corporations are two entities that should be separate and never engage each other.

      • steve

        so i can see your not a very good problem solver. if the government is the problem then get rid of it. think big . you just want to put bandaids on it all the time. no need to fret about it. god will soon destroy all the governments. then you’ll really have something to blog about.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki the one who watches the watcher is we the people.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “Vicki the one who watches the watcher is we the people.”

        How’s that working for you?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        We the people can and need to do better. Its tough but we can do it.

    • Wil

      “Rarely can any disguise of fascism last very long”- Not so sure about that, disguising it as a “two-party” system,along with the puppet show keeping the majority convinced that one party or the other will stop the fascists of the other party, seems to be working quite well.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The problem Will is

        1: Neither party is fascist.

        2: Fascism never has more than one party.

      • Average Joe

        Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
        Robert A. Heinlein

        AJ

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I can agree and disagree Average Joe. You have to define controlled. Because wanting there to be a system of rules and laws governing people could be called wanting to control people.

      • Average Joe

        Jeremy Leochner ,

        That’s the beauty of America, You are free to agree or disagree as you please…for now….

        Control: To exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command.

        AJ

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Average Joe. Rules and laws fall under the definition of: “To exercise restraint or direction over”. If we have laws or rules we have restraints and directions. I do not see it as being a question of “for now” as you say. Not as long as we continue to have elections and juries and soap box speakers and protests.

  • dan

    I only think of one thing when I think of government….
    malignant parasite
    term limits could only help….sequester congress (since they don’t listen to ‘the people’
    that sent them there)…..have the States pay ALL salaries and exspences of their
    respective representatives…end the perks and the ego driven will find other outlets

    • TIME

      Dear Tony & Dan,

      I know we all think we have clues and then we have some who post here who use the Comedy central as their sorce of Intel, we also have the CNN – Fox and Msnbc crews.
      Well ~ they have their points of light, but saddly even with all of the mass media’s lights on, ~ its pitch black in the room.
      So that tells anyone who can comprehend the gravity of the moment that something is vastly wrong.

      We have had the last phase of a Full on “Coup d` etat” ~ that took place on 1/20./2013 with the mindless sheep like public invited to view the lack of its glowing splendor today 1/21/2013.
      As of today January 21, 2013 ~ America is dead, ~ it was dying on the table with its heart and soul still just beating slightly, but as of the 20th even they stopped,

      America soul is now gone, its heart sliced into small bits and then burned as offerings to the SON of the Morning light,

      Tony, you can’t fight back if you have no weapons that give you even a near level playing field, thats why the M,4′s and such are being looked at to be removed from the general public’s domain. { After all Slaves with guns just can’t be ~ in a Police State
      from HELL.}

      As of january 22, 2013 the full out assult will be on to remove any restiance to this Fascist / Marxist form of Governance we have suffered under for many years now.
      The Gloves are off, all bets off the table. Thats why the CNN, aka the DOD propaganda unit is working over time to rush into the last stage of the long awaited MOP UP.

      As the real ball is about to drop on America, the ball that will make the events of not only the 1930′s but even ~ 2008, look like a Sunny day in May in the park. The Dollar is “DEAD” as king, the money wars are about to bring that fact home so clearly that even the dead can see it. And thats just one point,
      What do you all think will happen when the EBT cards fail all over the nation?
      When SS checks don’t go out?
      What do you all think will happen ~ When the Chinese come and take over 30% of this land, ~ they have been stating its owed to them by Americans for not being able to pay back the Money they owe?
      Think the Chinese will want to talk about a Physical Cliff?
      How about debt ceiling debate?
      No ~ its been stated by the Chinese they want the Land ~ that then begs the question where will the Americans who live in: { CAL, OR, WA, NY, NJ, PA, MASS, CT, VA, Ill OH, Marysland, NC, SC, WV FL GA, TX etc.} Can you say FEMA CAMPS?

      Of special note: So you all get it, anyone who has ever written on a blog sight, “YOUR DEAD” it makes no differance what side you play or think you have played, even the chicken necked marvels who call themselfs “Progressives” as they in fact will be the first to go, as if they figure it out, they would be a problem, same thing happened everwhere a Tyranny has taken root, ours has taken a very firm root by way of
      “Divide and Conquer.”

      A note of interest ~ Today on the MSN face page they are polling about if Library’s should have hard cover books, { oddly I was told a number of years ago that all books would be destroyed and re written } that they would no longer be in print format , but only on a Computer based format.
      Thats how they could all be re written without anyone ever asking questions, now think about the Nazi SA and SS thugs ~ who burned books, ~ same gig differant style.

      Peace and Love, Shalom,

      Ask the Christ to allow the Grace of his Holy Sprit into your soul.

      • JUKEBOX

        David Ploofe is another one of those revolving door bureaucrats, who spent over a decade in Richard Gephardt’s office, and when he leaves the White House, he will go over to the new 501c3, Obama Fornicating America. The incestuous relationships in Washington are ridiculous, even for the promised “TRANSPARENT” Obama adminstration. I am still waiting for them to “Drain the Swamp”.

      • Karolyn

        I just can’t wait til all your predictions don’t come true, TIME.

      • Kate8

        TIME – Though most will not listen, I, too, can see the writing on the wall. Actually, it’s a no-brainer.

        I can’t help wondering why Obama had to have TWO inaguerations…one private, one public. What did he say in the private one that we were not to hear? Was the first one to the NWO?

        Actually, the “red list” is already on. Yet, here we all sit, waiting like sitting ducks for the inevitable.

        Even the vestiges of American politics are being removed from this administration. It seems that Obama is going to fill those positions with angry minority (probably lesbo) women who hate everything about America. Hooray.

        Even those of us who diligently seek truth are kept involved with multiple distractions. It’s all nonsense. I’m still constantly shaken when I realize how naive we all are.

        http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7525#more-7525

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WHOA! Kate! Relax—-all this anger and paranoia is not good for you!

        “I can’t help wondering why Obama had to have TWO inagurations…one private, one public. What did he say in the private one that we were not to hear? Was the first one to the NWO?”

        I think there’s a constitutional requirement that he be sworn in on or before Jan 20. Since they don’t ever do the formal inauguration and parades on a weekend, they had to do the “quickie” yesterday to be within the law.

        “Even the vestiges of American politics are being removed from this administration. It seems that Obama is going to fill those positions with angry minority (probably lesbo) women who hate everything about America. Hooray.”

        Interesting that you should say this. A lot of Republicans have been complaining that he is filling all the positions with MEN (and white men at that), and hardly any women.. Where did you get this idea?

      • Kate8
      • Right Brain Thinker

        I don’t know what “you people” Kate8 is referring to, but this “people” says to her,

        Surprise, surprise, Kate.

        And asks her why she sent a link that does far more to prove what I said than her rantings about “angry minority lesbo” women. Kate should have looked beyond the first few lines where Valerie Jarrett was “spinning” things. Then she might have discovered that she helped me prove my case (although it didn’t need proving) rather than support hers. Still waiting to hear where “angry minority lesbo women who hate America” came from. To quote from the link:

        “The White House has faced scrutiny over an alleged lack of diversity among President Obama’s top advisers, prompted by a New York Times report earlier this month questioning the “all-male look” of Obama’s inner circle. A photo accompanying the report showed Obama consulting a number of white men”.

        “Those questions have intensified with Obama’s senior-most Cabinet nominations, including former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) for Defense secretary, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) for secretary of State and Chief of Staff Jack Lew for Treasury secretary”.

        “Those nominations have come amid a number of high-profile second-term exits of female Cabinet members, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis”.

      • Kate8

        Judging by O’s past choices, I can’t help get a chill with the future prospects, now that he doesn’t have to be concerned about appearances.

        I mean, looking at his past choices… the two lesbo supremes, Jarrett, Napolitano (lesbo), Sebelius, Holder, Sunstein, Geitner… I could go on and on naming all the crooks and deviants with whom he likes to associate.

        Does not bode well for our future at all.

        Minority status would have no bearing except that they are liberals who are obsessed with victimhood and hatred for all things white. For THEM, it’s all about race.

      • Charlie

        TIME,,,
        It’s time for you to figure out who King Jesus Christ is… King Jesus Christ is The Son of The Almighty God, He is The Commander of The True Christian American Militia and The Power that will empower His People to take America back into His Biblical Law when it happens… Read The Bible , KJV, to figure out what has happened and what is going to happen,,, BUT,,, to understand The Bible, one must FIRST become a “Christian” per The Book,,,that means The Whole Bible Book to harmonize ALL Scriptures ,,,so,,,to understand The Bible word by word , OR, line by line OR chapter by chapter… The one basic Scripture that MUST be understood is : Acts 2:38 to receive The Gift of The Holy Spirit ,,, without The Holy Spirit one can NEVER become a “True” Christian per The Book..
        Some people cannot become “True” Christians because they are NOT from The Lineage of The Children of Israel… See that at Matthew 15:24 and Malachi 1:1–5 and other Scriptures … Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…Acts 2:38 is salvation……….

        Charlie Freedom

  • tony newbill

    CIA and FACEBOOK working together , listen to frame 3:00

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5b82o3D0weQ

    • tony newbill

      Listen to this reporter talk about the Guns that were used at Sandy Hook , http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oJkvB9goPAA#!

    • tony newbill

      Is Facebooks stock value recovery due to the 2 big 2 fail bailed out beneficiaries buying stock after it bottomed ?
      The timing of these Corporations stock buys show Facebooks recovery and it was from Taxpayer Assets Indirectly that was the benefit , so what did Facebook have to agree to that became their Policy in Data mining for the CIA ? CIA and FACEBOOK working together , listen to frame 3:00 in the above link ,

      here is the bailout corps that bought Facebook stock at the bottom ,

      GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC 38,565,572 3.51 835,330,289 Sep 29, 2012
      FMR LLC 37,285,370 3.39 807,601,114 Sep 29, 2012
      Capital Research Global Investors 22,873,200 2.08 495,433,512 Sep 29, 2012
      BAILLIE GIFFORD AND COMPANY 20,214,256 1.84 437,840,784 Sep 29, 2012
      MORGAN STANLEY 19,516,929 1.78 422,736,682 Sep 29, 2012
      PRICE (T.ROWE) ASSOCIATES INC 19,404,306 1.76 420,297,267 Sep 29, 2012
      SANDS CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, INC. 17,111,785 1.56 370,641,263 Sep 29, 2012
      VANGUARD GROUP, INC. (THE) 13,900,765 1.26 301,090,569 Sep 29, 2012
      JENNISON ASSOCIATES LLC 12,701,638 1.16 275,117,479 Sep 29, 2012
      UBS GLOBAL ASSET MANAGEMENT (AMERICAS) INC 12,194,271 1.11 264,127,909 Sep 29, 2012
      Top Mutual Fund Holders
      Holder Shares % Out Value* Reported
      FIDELITY CONTRAFUND INC 24,588,325 2.24 688,473,100 Nov 29, 2012
      Powershares Exhg Traded Fd Tr-Powershares QQQ Tr, Series 1 10,883,114 0.99 289,708,494 Dec 30, 2012
      FIDELITY OTC PORTFOLIO 10,415,069 0.95 291,621,932 Nov 29, 2012
      FIDELITY ADVISOR NEW INSIGHTS FUND 6,049,742 0.55 169,392,776 Nov 29, 2012
      VANGUARD TOTAL STOCK MARKET INDEX FUND 5,694,441 0.52 123,341,592 Sep 29, 2012
      HARBOR CAPITAL APPRECIATION FUND 5,600,776 0.51 118,232,381 Oct 30, 2012
      FIDELITY GROWTH COMPANY FUND 4,606,814 0.42 128,990,792 Nov 29, 2012
      VANGUARD EXTENDED MARKET INDEX FUND 4,000,875 0.36 86,658,952 Sep 29, 2012
      Mainstay Large Cap Growth Fund 3,530,100 0.32 74,520,411 Oct 30, 2012
      FIDELITY BLUE CHIP GROWTH FUND 3,449,467 0.31 96,585,076 Nov 29, 2012

      NASDAQ FB Chart Here: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fb/interactive-chart?utm_campaign=&charttype=line&timeframe=1y&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fb4in.com%2Fk0S&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.com%2Fk0S&utm_medium=googleplus#.UP1L7vLzyTY

    • tony newbill

      Fascism is a result of allowing faith in the economic system of Capitalism’s free markets to lose the trust in them , Fascist use this lack of trust to consolidate and collpase free market capitalism’s ability to keep people independently self supplied and then we have no choice but to become dependent on Government and this is going on now in an accelerated way .

      Corruption within the free market Capital system is the trigger for Distrust that is needed for people to stop investing and this be the cause of collapse .

      Check out this Obama supporter who was On tape saying she loved Obama for giving her a cell phone but Now has a different message , The Obama Phone lady changes her tune. loss of trust in those who set policy on our free market freedoms is starting to cross party lines and this tells us we are close to collapse ,

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLZuKGTZlEY&feature=player_embedded

  • http://Old Mark

    A better government is one where All 545 elected officials change on such a regular basis that the problems pointed out in this article become impossible. Who bears the responsibility for all of this? Ultimately, it is the voters who in large part refuse to hold elected officials responsible. I’m so tired of hearing “you can’t vote for ‘the right’ person, because the votes will be split and ‘the wrong’ person will win. Give me a break, America. They are all wrong unless they are right.

    • Chester

      Mark, the only problem with that idea is that you hand all power to the bureaucrats who are always in the background, but always there, the perennial secretaries and office managers who know how to write a bill, and which strings need to be pulled to get it brought up for a vote. Even now, these are the people you need to grease up if you actually want something done, not only in Washington, but the State Capitols as well.

      • JUKEBOX

        You are so right, the bureaucrats in the 535 Congressional offices are part of the revolving door, moving from one Congressional office to another, never having been elected by anybody, yet are the ones who write all of the onerous laws we have to live with, year after year, for decades.

      • vicki

        Here is the solution to all those bureaucrats.

        https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/write-the-laws/

        Tell Congress to write the laws. This would also greatly reduce any damage that a president could do with executive orders.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    One of Bob’s better articles. Once you filter out a bit of distortion about O’BamaCare and a whole lot of horsepucky about GMO’s, what Bob says about lobbyists and the revolving door and improper “influence” is pretty much right on target. Good job, Bob!

    Sorry to see that he had to spoil it a bit by saying, “They are the true 1 percent”. That might mislead some folks and get them thinking that the bought and paid for TOOLS of
    the 1% (the plutocracy and corporate oligarchy) are the true 1%. It is NOT the government that is promoting fascism, folks—it is the greedy rich and the corporations.

    Bob finishes with a statement that I can agree with !00% (with a slight change). Bob says, “This is the fascist system under which we currently exist. It’s fascism under the sweet-sounding name of CAPITALISM AND FREE MARKETS. It sounds sweet AND WORKED FOR A LONG TIME but stinks to high heaven NOW THAT THE GREEDY RICH HAVE TURNED IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE..

    AND GOOD MORNING, VICKI

    I’ve been chasing you around the threads for days now—-or is it that you’ve been running around the threads hiding from me?

    Vicki uses those “types of sentences” she lectured us on the other day to make some “points” for us here. What were those types of sentences again, Vicki? Oh, I remember—they were named “obfuscative, deflectative, imperious, and evasivatory”—-and you’ve used all four here! Good job!

    Vicki—”The key to good government is LIMITING the power that can be delegated to government”
    No, the key to good government is making it possible for government to DO a “good” job, and that may mean limiting some powers while increasing others. Or are you a GROVERIAN that just wants to drown it.

    Vicki—”Example By forbidding government the power to suppress free speech even if a majority of 99.99999999% want to suppress speech the government is NOT allowed to”
    I am sure the .00000001% are thankful that you are speaking out so forcefully for them. Would you give in on this if 99.9999999999999999999999999% wanted to “suppress”?. At what point would YOU be “suppressed” if all those folks wanted something and you didn’t?

    Vicki—”This also protects the majority from a minority wanting to suppress free speech even if all the K street lobbyists want it”
    WHAT?—-that sounds like both an BIG “obfuscative” and a small “imperious” to me—-could you clarify what it is you DIDN’T say there?

    Vicki—-This ~10 min video will explain:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY
    A definite “deflectative”:—-send us off to waste our time trying to figure out something that Vicki couldn’t explain in her own words.

    Vicki—”Of course to be effective the people IN government have to actually understand and honor their oath”
    Always good to finish with an “imperious”, Vicki. Good job!

    • momo

      Right Brain Thinker says:”It is NOT the government that is promoting fascism, folks—it is the greedy rich and the corporations.”

      Too bad the government is owned and operated by the “greedy rich and the corporations”.

      • tony newbill

        Hey RBT how the heck did yo say its the corps fault when its those Democrats that got voted out of Congress that are Taking Lobbying Jobs to get back in there and belly up to the trough of fascism ????

      • Right Brain Thinker

        momo and tony and I are really all on the same page.

        Momo and I said the same thing in slightly different ways—”Too bad the government is owned and operated by the “greedy rich and the corporations”—YES, all we need to do is better define “owned and operated”—-Bob’s article does some of that for us but I was going the next step..

        tony newbill wants to take a shot at the Democrats because that’s like the old hound dawg sniffing and scratching himself in “impolite” places when he wakes up—-automatic—-it’s what they do, tony and the hound dawgs. (Great name for a band).

        The truth is they are ALL doing it on both sides—-let’s see what Ron Paul does after he retires—-will any of you really be shocked when he takes on a “job of influence” for big bucks and never leaves Washington? The revolving door works many ways—–congress to K street-to congressional staff job-to another elected job-to foundations-to think tanks—-and lots of short cuts and detours every which way—-just follow the bucks. Modern lobbying got its start with guys like Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist, two NON-Dems, but all are in the game now. It’s the corporations fault because they have nourished the system with their money—-the only way to reform the system is to go after the money.

      • momo

        Its not just Democrats, but Republicans too are at thr trough. They’re on the same team, they just argue over who’s going to run things.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        tony newbill apparently liked my “image” of a right winger—-I was just trying to say in a more “colorful” way that many “right wingers” seem to have been “brainwashed” in such a way that they DO have “automatic” responses to many things—-we can see that here on PLD where certain words or topics bring out the exact same responses—time after time.

        Speaking about “brainwashing”, one of the video clips in tony’s source is titled “Holder says we need to brainwash people”. It’s apparently a tape of a speech he gave in 1995 (17 years ago) when he was a U.S. Attorney and he uses the word BRAINWASH exactly ONE time very near the end in a 3+ minute speech in which he spoke rapidly and said a lot. His main message was EDUCATION, and he also spoke to the need to deal with violence in the movies and on TV, as many of the PLD folks have also argued.

        This video appears to have surfaced only last March, and since then it has been repeated endlessly by the sites of the circular firing squad as they continue their “brainwashing” of those who WANT to believe without thinking—-like I said—-automatic scratching and sniffing—-no thought—-just do it. As in automatically taking one word and making a bid deal out of it.

        (And if you’re trying to sum certain things up in one sentence, what momo says will do:
        “They’re on the same team, they just argue over who’s going to run things”.) Yep!

    • TML

      Right Brain Thinker says “It’s fascism under the sweet-sounding name of CAPITALISM AND FREE MARKETS. It sounds sweet AND WORKED FOR A LONG TIME but stinks to high heaven NOW THAT THE GREEDY RICH HAVE TURNED IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.”

      No, I think Bob had it right, although I would only add that it is a fascist aristocracy under the sweet sounding name of democracy. I highly doubt the problem to be capitalism and free markets… that’s not the issue, since capitalism under the Republic was intended to allow anyone to reach whatever financial heights they dreamed and worked hard for…

      “The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.”
      “A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

      It was the American dream that even a peasant could become wealthy. The problem is the intertwining of corporate interests with political power. The separation of corporation and state is proving to be just as important as the separation of church and state, and that separation has been dissolved incrementally, with the greatest significance being the incorporation of a central private bank.

      It need to be made impossible for special interests in government to use corporate and commercial resource to advance political agendas, and likewise impossible for special corporate interests to use government to advance their commercial interests. Until this is done, we will continue to have the kind of corruption that unwittingly renders power to an elite aristocracy which inevitably undermines the Republic, and will ultimately degenerate the democracy to tyranny.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I’m sorry TML didn’t read what I said too carefully before he chose to disagree with me. We are essentially in agreement on everything.

        Please reread what I said and rethink what you said in, “I highly doubt the problem to be capitalism and free markets”, because I didn’t say they were the problem. I modified Bob’s words but my main point was NOT that capitalism and free markets were to blame, but rather the fact that the greedy rich have corrupted the process and TURNED IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, i.e., it’s not the system, which I said WORKED FOR A LONG TIME, but what the greedy rich have done to the system—-kind of what you said in your last paragraph, if you think about it.

      • TML

        I am well aware of what I respond to. I merely corrected you that Capitalism and Free Markets are not the sweet sounding names which this corruption is being sold to us. It is under the sweet sounding name of Democracy that this fascist aristocracy is being sold. I then went on to agree on many points in my own words, yes. It is important to make the distinction because capitalism and free markets are not the guise, but rather, encouraging the people to believe this is a democracy rather than a republic. It is sleight of hand to garner majority rule (mob rule) to aid them in their efforts. It is significant as Aristotle once said, “Republics decline into Democracies, and Democracies decline in to despotisms”.

      • JeffH

        TML, you are so, so correct in saying “It is under the sweet sounding name of Democracy that this fascist aristocracy is being sold.”

        Progressives have yet to admit that they confuse capitalism with the government’s propping up and supporting of crony-capitalism.

        • tony newbill

          And it is all in the sweet name of Marxist Ideology about Population Control worldwide starting with the collapse of USA Economic Freedom that is provided by a Free Capital economic system that was by ,of and for the People before 1913 !!!!!!!

          Off and on for the past 100 years this year the fascist aristocracy has been struggling between themselves for power and resource control , throwing it back and forth between Internationalists who controlled those resources in other parts of the world , all in tune with the iron and clay prophecies in Revelations .

          Now the question is have we been in the ” 100 year War ” that Revelations speaks of ?

      • GALT

        I highly doubt the problem to be capitalism and free markets… that’s not the issue,

        That is not the issue because you “highly doubt” it is?

        since capitalism under the Republic was intended to allow anyone to reach whatever financial heights they dreamed and worked hard for…

        Both capitalism and anything other than vague notions of economic theory are preceded by “the republic”, 1777, 1787……….so while that all sounds nice and noble……there is no historical evidence to support any relationship between the two………that economics was the cause of the “republic” is certain……..that it was anything more than a change of “elites” needs to be considered…….and is obstructed by the “political necessity” of having to construct both a “common motivation” for the “revolution” and a form of government that was distinct from what existed. While the words may seem to suggest a “difference”, the results do not.

        The winners write history temporarily. ( and they are still writing it, although, the facade is beginning to crack.)

        “The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.”

        “A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

        Source?

        As for the observation of the economics that did exist then, we have these two observations by Adam Smith, 1776.

        “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him. They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

        “The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

        The first represents the actual attitude toward labor at the time, with Smith attempting to “inspire” a more enlightened approach, the second is something that didn’t exist then, and which those he was refering to have done their best to avoid since……..with the exception of a brief interval beginning in the 40′s, they have been largely successful at doing so. ( that is the evidence of history )

        It was the American dream that even a peasant could become wealthy. The problem is the intertwining of corporate interests with political power.

        Use of the word “peasant” is interesting as is “dream”…….like most things the “results” don’t match the hype……..and the last condition which you reference is simply the modern iteration, of what has always been a “historical REALITY”, for this country…….and every other one.

      • JeffH

        Also, you will note that our government politicians continue to promote the false idea that the US is a “Democracy”.

        When was the last time anyone heard someone in our government or their MSM mouthpiece refer to the USA as a Constitutional Republic? Certainly not in the last 30 years if my memory serves me correctly.

        Here in the United states we actually have two sub-parties of Fascism called Republicans and Democrats. Both parties have come to expect blind obedience of their zombies.

        TML correctly quotes Aristotle who once said, “Republics decline into Democracies, and Democracies decline in to despotisms”.

        Terms like “social justice” and “progress” are all to often used in harmony with the word “democracy”.

        Plato, in his Republic, tells us that tyranny arises, as a rule, from democracy.

        Fascism can creep insidiously into democracy when democratic principles are not adhered to or in the case of the USA, the idea that the Constitution is not adhered to.

        “The tendency toward totalitarianism, militarism, fundamentalism, populism, in conjunction with the economic-political policy of corporate collusion with top members of the state, the perpetuation of the idea that the workers and middle class must depend on those same corporate leaders as the best path between the extremes of oligarchy and socialism, the deceitful way that popular support is gathered, and the opportunistic method of utilizing crises to gain inexorable power and control – all of this describes what fascism is.”
        - Julie R Butler on Scribd

      • TML

        TML says, “since capitalism under the Republic was intended to allow anyone to reach whatever financial heights they dreamed and worked hard for…”

        GALT says, “Both capitalism and anything other than vague notions of economic theory are preceded by “the republic”, 1777, 1787……….so while that all sounds nice and noble……there is no historical evidence to support any relationship between the two………that economics was the cause of the “republic” is certain……..”

        You misinterpret what’s being said. My statement doesn’t imply that ‘vague notions of economics’ were the CAUSE of the Republic. My statement was meant to imply that Capitalism and Free Markets are the best economic systems which allow for individual freedom and liberty under a Republic, because the Republic is meant to protect the rights of the minority against the “will of a majority”… which is the definition of Democracy. I am arguing that without a separation of corporation and state, the Republic becomes a corrupt aristocracy of the elected officials which is fed to the American people under the guise of Democracy because the two (aristocracy and democracy) are polar opposites. To not understand the difference is to swallow the rhetoric hook line and sinker.

        One of the primary elements that dissolved a separation of corporation and state was the private central bank.
        “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” – Thomas Jefferson

        TML says, “The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.”
        “A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

        GALT says, “Source?”

        Thomas Jefferson

        TML says, “It was the American dream that even a peasant could become wealthy. The problem is the intertwining of corporate interests with political power.”

        GALT says, “Use of the word “peasant” is interesting as is “dream”…….like most things the “results” don’t match the hype……..and the last condition which you reference is simply the modern iteration, of what has always been a “historical REALITY”, for this country…….and every other one.”

        And your point is…?

      • GALT

        You misinterpret what’s being said.

        Really, do you think that is possible?

        My statement doesn’t imply that ‘vague notions of economics’ were the CAUSE of the Republic.

        Yes I know……my statement declares it as a certainty, and refers to your statement citing the fact the neither capitalism nor economic theory existed when the ‘republic’ was formed, therefor no causal relationship exists between the two………so while “freer markets” was certainly the issue…….for those excluded from them, the “republic” was formed to end that exclusion, for those who had the means, but were prevented from doing so. ( the aspiring and eventual elite )

        My statement was meant to imply that Capitalism and Free Markets are the best economic systems which allow for individual freedom and liberty under a Republic,

        Yes, I know……..unfortunately, the only other ‘republic’ that the excluded elite had for reference would have been the Roman Republic, which doesn’t seem to provide any support for your implied statement, and “capitalism” doesn’t actually surface as a definitive “economic system” until Marx cites it as doing precisely the opposite of what you claim.

        because the Republic is meant to protect the rights of the minority against the “will of a majority”… which is the definition of Democracy.

        Rather simplistic definitions, and no historical evidence to actually support that result……unless the minority are the ( elite )……which gets a little muddled for the history of “this republic” for two reasons.

        1.) The old elite was replaced leaving a vacuum, so you have a jockeying for position. 2.) The conditions which were supporting the old elite, now being replaced by the new, were agrarian……but there was a new kid on the block, manufacturing…….so it took awhile for this to settle……….with a war.

        I am arguing that without a separation of corporation and state, the Republic becomes a corrupt aristocracy of the elected officials which is fed to the American people under the guise of Democracy because the two (aristocracy and democracy) are polar opposites. To not understand the difference is to swallow the rhetoric hook line and sinker.

        It hardly needs to be argued, since it has already happened……in fact, it has never been otherwise…….despite what you might believe were the causes or intent………and your rather non definitive citations of the elements you believe were involved.

        One of the primary elements that dissolved a separation of corporation and state was the private central bank.

        Which is again much too vague to sort through.

        GALT says, “Use of the word “peasant” is interesting as is “dream”…….like most things the “results” don’t match the hype……..and the last condition which you reference is simply the modern iteration, of what has always been a “historical REALITY”, for this country…….and every other one.”

        And your point is…?

        That what IS needed, is that the HISTORY ( factually accurate ) needs to be LEARNED and UNDERSTOOD……….and an indication of this, would be that what emerged would be a consistent picture……..regarding the various elements, how they contributed to what occured, and why they produced the results they did. ( your present understanding does not do this )

        An example of inconsistency would be the effect of banks ( central or otherwise ) on any economy, for it is well known and often cited ( by capitalists ) that the extension of credit ( via debt instrument ) requiring interest………while injecting capital ( credit ) into the economy, does not inject the interest required to settle the debt. Over time, the interest payments will transfer all “assets” to the credit issuer. ( and it doesn’t matter by what mechanism the economy uses or form of government that is in place and this has been true for all of history )

        To accept the role of interest, as stated and it’s effects ( and it is always possible that you do not accept it ) it would be inconsistent to cite any economic system as being a source of “dreams” for the peasants, or anyone else who was NOT a issuer of credit. It would also follow that the higher the velocity of credit issuance is within any system, the more rapid the realization of the ‘final” result…….which would seem to suggest that your understanding is…..inconsistent?

        One final note of possible interest: In Adam Smith’s An Inquiry into The Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations – he mentions the “invisible hand” precisely one time……..preceded by the words, “sometimes, as if by an…………………” which can hardly be claimed to suggest “certainty”……( or maybe it can? )

      • TML

        TML says, “My statement doesn’t imply that ‘vague notions of economics’ were the CAUSE of the Republic.”

        Galt says, “Yes I know……the fact the neither capitalism nor economic theory existed when the ‘republic’ was formed, therefor no causal relationship exists between the two………”

        Capitalism has existed since the middle ages. It has to do directly with Jefferson’s statements that I had already given, such as keeping the fruit of your labor. Being neither restrained nor aided in their pursuits. Capitalism existed before the term was coined by Marx.

        Galt says, “so while “freer markets” was certainly the issue…….for those excluded from them, the “republic” was formed to end that exclusion, for those who had the means, but were prevented from doing so. ( the aspiring and eventual elite )”

        So first you say, “there is no historical evidence to support any relationship between the two………that economics was the cause of the “republic””… and then here you say it was the cause of the republic. And you are saying the republic was formed to end an exclusion of people from the free market. You clearly have no understanding of what you’re talking about. Free-market capitalism refers to an economic system where prices for goods and services are set freely by the forces of supply and demand and are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by government policy. It typically entails support for highly-competitive markets, private ownership of productive enterprises. Laissez-faire is a more extensive form of free-market capitalism where the role of the state is limited to protecting property rights. There is no one excluded. The elites you talk about NEED government involvement in economics… whether the railroad, oil, or banking… they used the government policy to monopolize industries. The worst thing for those so-called elites would be a government policy that only protects property rights and contracts.

        TML says, “My statement was meant to imply that Capitalism and Free Markets are the best economic systems which allow for individual freedom and liberty under a Republic,”

        Galt says, “Yes, I know……..unfortunately, the only other ‘republic’ that the excluded elite had for reference would have been the Roman Republic, which doesn’t seem to provide any support for your implied statement, and “capitalism” doesn’t actually surface as a definitive “economic system” until Marx cites it as doing precisely the opposite of what you claim.”

        My statement above should set you straight on that I think. Although, additionally…. Marx, a communist, would of course speak ill of capitalism. You seem to be under the impression that until Marx coined the term as a definitive economic system, that it didn’t exist prior to that time. That would be erroneous logic.

        TML says, “because the Republic is meant to protect the rights of the minority against the “will of a majority”… which is the definition of Democracy.”

        Galt says, “Rather simplistic definitions, and no historical evidence to actually support that result……unless the minority are the ( elite )……which gets a little muddled for the history of “this republic” for two reasons.”

        The minority in my statement would be any group on a given issue. It is well known that many of the founder of this republic were just as fearful of a democracy as they were a monarchy precisely because majority rule (mob rule) becomes nothing but another tyranny. The Constitutional Republic protects the rights of any minority against the will of the majority. That is why even if the majority of American’s wanted (for example) to abolish gun ownership, the rights of the few are meant to be protected.

        TML says, “I am arguing that without a separation of corporation and state, the Republic becomes a corrupt aristocracy of the elected officials which is fed to the American people under the guise of Democracy because the two (aristocracy and democracy) are polar opposites. To not understand the difference is to swallow the rhetoric hook line and sinker.”

        Galt says, “It hardly needs to be argued, since it has already happened.”

        Then you are responding for what reason? You have given even less definitive information than I have.

        TML says, “And your point is…?”

        Galt says, “That what IS needed, is that the HISTORY ( factually accurate ) needs to be LEARNED and UNDERSTOOD……….and an indication of this, would be that what emerged would be a consistent picture……..regarding the various elements, how they contributed to what occured, and why they produced the results they did. ( your present understanding does not do this )”

        Well, I’ve very sorry I don’t have the time to educate you with a thesis here in the comment section of a blog.

        Galt says, “An example of inconsistency would be the effect of banks ( central or otherwise ) on any economy, for it is well known and often cited ( by capitalists ) that the extension of credit ( via debt instrument ) requiring interest………while injecting capital ( credit ) into the economy, does not inject the interest required to settle the debt. Over time, the interest payments will transfer all “assets” to the credit issuer.”

        You are talking about fiat currency. What you just explained here is exactly why the power to issue paper money should only be in the hands of the government, the people, and not private banks (central or otherwise) and even then, must have real value (such as a gold standard) that limits the amount of paper currency that can be printed.
        Here, try this… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLYL_NVU1bg

      • GALT

        Well TML, you have one thing correct………this is not the place for “educating”
        yourself…..,..since you clearly have no understanding of your need to BE educated.

        Debt The First 5000 Years
        Economics Unmasked
        Econned
        Power Inc.
        Extreme Money
        The Great Divergence
        Lords of Finance

        The Fall of the House of Dixie
        The Real History of the Civil War: A New Look at the Past.

        What is clear from your response is, despite what is written, you fail to grasp
        what is being said………..and you keep repeating “mantra’s” which are false,
        have no historical evidence to support them, and insist on returning to a past
        which failed in it’s simpler mode…….and has nothing to offer in the present one.

        Since you failed to acknowledge the problem of “interest”, you have ignored
        the fundamental problem of “economics”…….and why all economies FAIL.
        ( and why all governments have failed also. )

        The ending you cite is unavoidable, ( the rise of the plutocrats ) regardless of
        what economic system or government is in place, and the form of “money”
        is also irrelevant………..the final stage of economic instability is that of
        “acquisition” where a class of people have gained control of productive
        assets ( whether real or illusionary ) simple by virtue of “wealth” and
        financial manipulation, regardless of what the “medium of exchange”
        happens to be…………since this “class” has the singular focus of simply
        maintaining this status, there is no “vision” or “desire” for “common benefit”,
        simply a desire for control……….any progress, or improvement, has been
        accidental or forced and this will continue until REALITY is finally accepted,
        by “them” or those “victimized” by them, and this will not occur until
        the understanding that “wealth” itself is an illusionary concept…….

        That the “victims” have still failed to make this connection……..does not
        bode well for the future……..

        “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past controls
        the future.”

      • GALT

        BTW TML, just in case this was NOT CLEAR, you do not comprehend what you
        read………..The first part of this problem is.

        You think you KNOW what you are talking about.

        Which leads you to assume that you think you KNOW what I am talking about.

        And this results in babble…….because you have no concept of the hierarchy of
        the range of “concepts” involved in the discussion….and since you ignored the
        most critical one………the next time you feel inspired to respond to me……stop
        when you come to the first thing you don’t understand….and ask a question.

        You see to actually progress to the rank of being someone who is at least
        trying to achieve SOMETHING THAT MIGHT be, the product of “logically
        reasoned intelligence” is being able to ask a question, that is seeking an
        understanding of what IS, “logically reasoned intelligence”……

        in the scheme of things……you haven’t even begun yet!

    • GALT

      RBT

      “Once you filter out a bit of distortion about O’BamaCare and a whole lot of horsepucky about GMO’s,”

      Okay, now you have me curious………..so if you can interrupt your hunt for Vicki,
      would you mind doing that “filtering” and elaborating……for me?

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear GALT,

        That should be interesting.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I will be glad to try to elaborate, especially since Vicki is playing so “hard to get” (coquettish little vixen that she is). And where are DaveH and WTS/JAY and FrankKahnStein and George E? At least JeffH is here today to clutter up the discussion.

        Looking at it again, I think I objected mainly to the tone of the O’BamaCare references rather than the substance. Things like “guaranteed millions of new customers”, “leftists so stridently loathed”, “the “unfair” way they covered only those who paid their bills” and “deathcare” didn’t sit well on first reading. That “tone” I felt came out as “a bit of distortion”, but I don’t see much I care to argue with right now in the “substance”.

        The “whole lot of horsepucky” about GMO’s was not in that single sentence of Bob’s, although flat out stating that “GMOs are hazardous to the people and animals exposed to them” is definitely horsepucky. Looking at Bob’s “as I wrote here” link led to an article from 9/12 that had only a few comments and was before my time on PLD—-“New Study Shows GM Corn And Monsanto’s Roundup Cause Cancer”. I did get into an extended discussion of GMO’s on a later thread that cited that same study—you may recall that one—much “functional scientific illiteracy” displayed there, as we also saw on the “CO2 is good for you” thread.

        As with so many other topics on PLD, the circular firing squad members feel as if they must endlessly parrot the horsepucky until everyone accepts it as truth—-I find it hard to let it pass, therefore I am doomed to endlessly shout “horsepucky”

        Is that more clear?.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Right Brain Thinker,

          I don’t believe you answered the question.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • GALT

        Well you might want to take a look at it again……the documentary Genetic Chile
        will give you a taste……

        Then there is the bit about FDA testing……because they don’t do any, but
        guess who does?

        Of course there is the bit about what roundup ready means, which like saying a kinder gentler version of Agent Orange, but in the genetic structure of the plant…….and
        who knows, maybe the plant feels better about it…….The Vets who were exposed
        to it in Nam didn’t……….

        Then there is a word that you probably haven’t heard in a while, Chirality.
        Came up initially with regard to synthetic vitamins………what implications it
        has here or in anything that attempts to duplicate “natural substances”,
        is always a concern…..nature being left handed.

        Finally, if this matters, but this may represent the single largest threat to our
        quality of life and the most immediate in terms of implications……and it is already
        out of control………

        Two other related Doc’s: Hungry for Change, and Food Matters……..

        Written Material: Bet The Farm, and Food Security

      • JeffH

        Half Wit Thinker, LMAO! You have nothing to fear but your own fear itself…imaginary boogeymen and boogeywomen.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Gee, Bob

        I thought I DID respond to GALT’s request to “filter and elaborate” with what I said—it appeared that he was not asking me any real “question” per se, but was seeking clarification. He appears to have gotten at least some of what he wanted from my reply, but I’m sorry that “real life” demands on my time tonight won’t let me respond to him until tomorrow.

        If you don’t believe I answered the question, how about stating “the question” you believe I didn’t answer for me and I’ll give it a shot when I return to PLD?

      • GALT

        I forgot Farmageddon, another doc…. all on netflix, most on youtube…..

      • GALT

        RBT would this be the study you were referring to:

        http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm

      • GALT

        RBT……this pretty much covers the “controversies” to date:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_controversies

        Given the “state of play”……with regard to “who benefits”, the foundational nature
        of the role of “food” and the clear indication that “our biology” is tuned nutritionally
        to a diet which pre-dates civilization, and the final decisions regarding the outcome
        are dependent on the “oversight” of agencies and regulators, and “funding”,
        where each element, is “subject” to the corrupting influences of those motivated
        by “profits” to the exclusion of all other concerns……..

        with the final caveat that we ( human beings ) have failed to anticipate or even
        “consider anticipating” the effects of our actions over anything but the shortest
        possible time frame………( and we have gotten it WRONG, EVERY TIME )…..
        this is not an area in which we can afford to make such mistakes.*

        *this is not to say that the “mindset” here is “unique”, for the general ignorance
        being referred to with regard to the anticipation of “anything”, has yet to
        take hold in any serious way in the general public, which cedes “perception”
        of implied benefits vs potential dangers…..to those who have the most money
        to control the battle for the “sound bite mind”, and their “whores”.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        GALT said much in a string of comments—-I will address parts of the string.

        The documentary Genetic Chili gives us a taste of anti-GMO propaganda, mixing some truth with much speculation and outright untruths, as most propaganda does. It is really a source of more confusion rather than clarity.

        The FDA DOES do “testing” but certainly not enough. Your implication is that Monsanto and the Drug companies, etc. are certifying that their studies prove the safety of their “wonder products” and the FDA just rubber stamps them. Unfortunately, that’s all too true, and the plutocrats and the corporate oligarchy want to shrink the government and “drown the FDA and EPA and OSHA and the whole government in a bathtub”—less regulation, more profit.

        You lost me a bit with this, “Of course there is the bit about what roundup ready means, which like saying a kinder gentler version of Agent Orange, but in the genetic structure of the plant…….and who knows, maybe the plant feels better about it…….The Vets who were exposed to it in Nam didn’t…”

        Roundup is not “in the genetic structure of the plant”. A gene has been inserted that increases the plant’s tolerance to Roundup. Any Roundup that gets into the plant gets there by absorption into the plant’s tissues, and that’s an entirely different issue.

        You’re right that I haven’t heard the word “chirality” in quite a while—it is usually dumbed down to “handedness” or “mirror images”. From what I’ve read, “nature” doesn’t have a real problem dealing with it although the step beyond GMO that is represented by “synthetic biology” does have some implications that should concern us.

        This sounds a bit theatrical, “Finally, if this matters, but this may represent the single largest threat to our quality of life and the most immediate in terms of implications……and it is already out of control………” If you were talking about anthropogenic global warming, I would agree with you 100%. I think you overreach a bit when you say this about GMO.

        I’ve viewed or read most of the sources you listed and am familiar with all—I have been trying to keep up with all this for a long time.—-Hungry for Change, and Food Matters, Bet The Farm, and Food Security, Farmageddon—-they come at the problem from all different directions and make many good points (maybe not Hungry for change so much). In a nutshell, what I take away from all of it is that the “greedy rich” are going to kill us all as they try to make a profit off nature’s bounty and the benefits of science.

        The wikipedia entry seems to do a pretty good job of summarizing the “controversy” in both the areas of supporting the idea that GMO’s are not harmful and exposing the “games” the corporations play.

        You talk about “the clear indication that “our biology” is tuned nutritionally
        to a diet which pre-dates civilization”. Actually, our “biology” is “tuned” to a “diet” that predates humans. Biochemistry is biochemistry, and the processes of making “food” and utilizing “food” go back to the time when only one-celled organisms existed on the planet.

        But this is definitely true, “….and the final decisions regarding the outcome
        are dependent on the “oversight” of agencies and regulators, and “funding”,
        where each element, is “subject” to the corrupting influences of those motivated
        by “profits” to the exclusion of all other concerns……” Yep! But some scientists are outside that “game”, just as most climate scientists are outside the “fossil fuels game”, and we should listen to both groups.

        “….with the final caveat that we ( human beings ) have failed to anticipate or even
        “consider anticipating” the effects of our actions over anything but the shortest
        possible time frame………( and we have gotten it WRONG, EVERY TIME )….This is not an area in which we can afford to make such mistakes”.

        “*this is not to say that the “mindset” here is “unique”, for the general ignorance
        being referred to with regard to the anticipation of “anything”, has yet to
        take hold in any serious way in the general public, which cedes “perception”
        of implied benefits vs potential dangers…..to those who have the most money
        to control the battle for the “sound bite mind”, and their “whores”.

        Don’t much disagree with this at all,except that it too overreaches a bit. We have been looking at the GMO question for quite a while and the science seems clear enough that it’s not going to “get us” in the direct sense—-the effects are more societal, cultural, and financial than biological. And the greedy rich lie at the base of all of it.

        “RBT would this be the study you were referring to?: http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm”
        No, the one you referenced here is an earlier study. It was done by the same people who did the later study that we discussed in (excessive) detail on the GMO thread a couple of months back. The study you reference was much less controversial than the later one, which got into a fit of name-calling and even lawsuits over slander—saying GMO in Europe is apparently like saying GUN CONTROL in the U.S.

        A couple of lines from the first study show that it was really saying “we need to do more research”, once you decipher the language, and the study didn’t “prove” much. Since it didn’t claim much, it wasn’t attacked.

        “We conclude that these data highlight signs of hepatorenal toxicity, possibly due to the new pesticides specific to each GM corn. In addition, unintended direct or indirect metabolic consequences of the genetic modification cannot be excluded”.

        “As a result, the potential effects on physiological parameters, due either to the recognized mutagenic effects of the GM transformation process or to the presence of the above mentioned novel pesticides within these plants can be evaluated in animal feeding studies”. (they took some heat for that last “can”, if I recall)

        The second study set off a firestorm on both sides—the thing that struck me the most was learning that the Sprague-Dawley strain of rats was quite susceptible to the kinds of tumors that appeared with little need for “provocation” and that may have blown the validity of the whole study. Check out wikipedia on “laboratory rats” if you’re interested—another mind-blowing discovery there was that rats of a single strain bought from different breeders and even wholesalers showed different results under the same experimental conditions.

        I’ve gone on long enough—-Jeffy and the shills/trolls will accuse me of “wasting space”. I also need to be on deck if Vicki wants to “flirt”. But I WILL again repeat that “Bob’s flat out stating that “GMOs are hazardous to the people and animals exposed to them” is definitely horsepucky”. It is WAY more complicated than that—-you and I both know that and so should Bob.

      • GALT

        Yes well RBT, as you might have caught on by now,I am not intimidated by anyone, and I do not suffer fools gladly………

        Thank you for taking the time to respond, I will evaluate what you have to offer….

        Until next time…..

      • Charlie

        R B T,,,
        GALT is a little short on Bible Law,,, so ,,, read why your right brain is wrong ,regarding GMO’s ,,, God said at Leviticus 19:19 ,don’t do GMO’s… Please let Us know IF you can prove God wrong,,,IF,,,you get the left and right together ,maybe you can prove God wrong,,,ha ha ha ha ha… Remember The Bible Law is written in principals and facts,,, the term GMO is not used ,,,BUt,,, the principal of GMO’s is……………….Meanwhile…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

    • JUKEBOX

      A good example of your point is the law against FREON. Dupont’s patent rights were running out on this product, so they had to develop another refrigerant, which will probably be outlawed as soon as the patent runs out on it.

    • vicki

      Right Brain Thinker writes:
      “AND GOOD MORNING, VICKI”

      Good morning RBT. How are you today?

      (RBT then spends more than half of his very long post on little ole me. How sweet)

      RBT finishes with “Vicki. Good job!”

      Thanks dear. Glad you noticed.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        You are SUCH a flirt, Vicki. You flirt with me almost as much as you flirt with the truth.
        I’ll try to catch you tomorrow—-I’m sure you’ll be ready to throw me another kiss and a wink rather than have a serious discussion.

    • Bob666

      Yo RBT
      Obvious sexual tension between you and General Vicki.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Yeah, I hope Vicki is as “hot” as Sarah Palin. I never could figure out how someone who looked that hot could be so dumb. Is Vicki a Sarah clone, maybe? (if you get my implication)

        • Bob666

          Yo RBT,
          I am going to craw out on a limb and guess that you and I would be very-very disapointed on that call. I see a lot of the “woman” on this site as the type that get barred for life from Match.com because they failed the two minute phycology test.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I hear ya, Bob. If I “crawled out on the limb” and unloaded all the things that have gone through my mind after meeting Vicki and Kate8 and Jana on PLD, i would probably go back on “moderation”.

        And I am an old guy who was brought up in a more “chivalrous” time, so I will be “chivalrous” with Vicki, who in my mind’s eye, I DO visualize as a “Sarah clone”—-that’s a lot more fun than the vision you just painted.

        • Bob666

          Yo RBT,
          we all need something special in our lives-if it works, I’m happy for you.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Bob, Vicki is “special” in my life in the way one of the kids in “special education” was in one of my schools. Alice was in what was then termed the EMR class—-she had many imaginary friends she conversed with, and it was fun hearing her tell me about it when we ran into each other—I always asked her how they were doing.

        It was less fun when they all got into fights inside the one head and some teacher who didn’t know Alice called down and said, “There’s a girl outside my door who looks as if she’s arguing with herself—-she’s loud and she’s disturbing my class—-what should I do?”.

        My response was, “Open the door and tell Alice to settle down and that Mr. X will soon be there”. I would go down and referee Alice’s arguments with her imaginary friends for a while, and all would be well until next time. I may have to start calling Vicki by the name Alice, because I’m sure there are many “imaginaries” in Vicki’s life—both people and ideas. (and the “Vicki-Alice in Wonderland” connection works too).

        • Bob666

          Excuse me as I just picked my self up off of the floor LMAO. I have a sister-in law like Alice and while you don’t know waht the conversation is all about, you know it has to be an interesting one. Now that you mention it, I understand your fondness for Vicki.

          PS: I know Vicki wans her own Airforce, so don’t tell her about this assult to the 2nd amendment:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/death-star-petition_n_2460265.html

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Yo, Bob666

        I saw the news about the rejection of the Death Star petition and LMAO. But only up to a point—-it’s nice to see people have fun and show a sense of humor, but they spent a few government bucks putting together the reply, and that rankled a tiny bit. I guess I shouldn’t complain though—-everyone deserves some fun in their life.

        I’m sure Vicki will soon be up in arms about ~300 MILLION AMERICANS being denied the protection of the planet destroyer USS Climate Change, DS1, but I won’t be the one to clue her in.

        PS Do you ever visit the site Political Irony: Humor and Hypocrisy From The World Of Politics ? I begin each day with a quick look there. Great site, great links.

  • nc

    Bob, thank you for that fine report on Jack Lew! You pointed out Mr. Lew served on President Clinton’s staff as DIRECTOR of Management and Budgets from 1999-2001! I believe that just a little research will show that those years produced BALANCED BUDGETS AND SURPLUSES> OUR LAST BALANCED BUDGETS AND SURPLUSES AS A MATTER OF FACT!
    I’M SURE IT WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT ON YOUR PART NOT TO MENTION MR. LEW’S ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS WELL AS HIS ASSOCIATIONS.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Good point, nc. Perhaps it was an oversight to omit those positive things, but I would suspect Bob was in a hurry to get to his main points, which seem to be:

      “Lew’s CAI unit engaged in exactly the sort of activity that Democrats blamed for the financial collapse and have aimed to ban through legislation: “proprietary trading.” That means Lew’s unit was investing Citi’s own money as opposed to helping clients make money”, and

      “Following Citibank’s bailout with taxpayer money, Lew pocketed an almost $1 million bonus from the financial services firm. So whose interests do you think will be forefront in Lew’s mind has he writes monetary policy?”

      Good points and good questions but does Bob want us to think bad thoughts about Lew BEFORE he has spent one day on the job? Is that unfair of Bob to do so?

      If I recall, Citi DID do some bad things while Lew was there, so perhaps we can forgive Bob this one time. In Lew’s defense, I will say that at least his appointment is breaking the string of GOLDMAN-SACHS people (or did he spend time there too?) As far as Bob’s second paragraph, it fits so many of those in the “candidate pool” that we would have to go find Vicki’s .00000001% man to fill the job if we were to use it as a criteria.

    • JeffH

      Again the myth of a balaced budget under Clinton’s leadership is being hailed as true. Sorry folks, it ain’t true and it never happened!

      Bill Clinton and his allies like to claim credit for creating budget surpluses in the last three complete fiscal years of his administration. Now Newt Gingrich is claiming credit for the same accomplishment.

      Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gingrich admittedly have a lot in common, but when two notoriously self-promoting politicians like these start blowing their own horns to the same tune, it’s worth taking a closer look – well worth it, as it turns out.

      According to the Bureau of Public Debt of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the federal debt actually increased in each of those years. In other words, the supposed surplus was never realized. Can it be a myth? Can it be the “surplus” was just another gimmick that Washington uses because it makes up its own rules?

      The government can have a surplus even if it has trillions in debt, but it cannot have a surplus if that debt increased every year. This article is about surplus/deficit, not the debt. However, it analyzes the debt to prove there wasn’t a surplus under Clinton.

      For those that want a more detailed explanation of why a claimed $236 billion surplus resulted in the national debt increasing by $18 billion, please read this follow-up article.

      The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000–though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

      Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. Treasury website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government’s fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton’s budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here’s the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets:

      Clinton’s first budget:
      FY1994 10/1993 – 09/30/1994
      National debt:$4.692749 trillion
      Deficit: $281.26 billion

      Clinton’s final budget:
      FY2001 10/2000 – 09/28/2001
      National Debt: $5.807463 trillion
      Deficit: $133.29 billion

      http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16
      As can clearly be seen, in no year did the national debt go down, nor did Clinton leave President Bush with a surplus that Bush subsequently turned into a deficit. Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive surplus number. And Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

      Keep in mind that President Bush took office in January 2001 and his first budget took effect October 1, 2001 for the year ending September 30, 2002 (FY2002). So the $133.29 billion deficit in the year ending September 2001 was Clinton’s.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        It is beyond comprehension as to why JeffH feels he must make this comment on this thread at this time. Did he make a mistake and copy the wrong thing out of his “notebook of stuff for shills to post”? Was it meant for another thread where it might be meaningful? Oh, well, it’s here and its horsepucky, so someone needs to shovel some truth and perspective on top of it.

        JeffH says, “Again the myth of a balanced budget under Clinton’s leadership is being hailed as true. Sorry folks, it ain’t true and it never happened!”, as he throws a bunch of numbers at us. Grasping at straws here, Jeff, and playing with tiny numbers rather than look at the big ones. Also looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

        First, let’s remember that $1 trillion ($1,000,000,000,000) is 1.000 times bigger than $1 billion ($1,000,000,000.) Then let’s look at deficits by president going back a few years (looking through the right end of the telescope, so to speak) Presidents listed here by name followed by the total deficit during their term(s). (And don’t waste time arguing about “sources”, anyone. Go look it up—you won’t find anything very much different—-there are many ways of looking at the overlaps between administrations and “who caused what” and who should get credit or blame, but this set of figures is as good as any)

        Ike $16 billion
        JFK $11 billion
        LBJ $35 billion
        RMN $64 billion
        Ford $181 billion
        Carter $253 billion
        Reagan $1,400 billion
        Bush 1 $1,000 billion
        Clinton $63 billion SURPLUS !!!!!!
        Bush 2 $3,500 billion

        And JeffH wants to run us around in circles about the nickel and dime numbers of the Clinton years when the reality of the deficits produced under the “cut taxes, borrow and spend, redistribute wealth UPWARD” presidents is there for all to see? If you add up the three deficits, it comes to around $6,000,000,000,000. which is around ONE THOUSAND times the Clinton number Jeff disputes.. Jeff is in effect walking by a TEN DOLLAR BILL so that he can pick up a PENNY and worry it to death.

        Lord love a duck, Jeff! Whatever were you thinking when you posted this?

      • JeffH

        Half Wit Thinker continues to open mouth – insert foot and continues on with quite a progressive filled rant, ie, the paid shill known as RBT(Half Brain Thinker) has been demonstrating the tendancies of an unhinged progressive since his arrival. Yada, yada, yada!

        It’s pretty obvious to a thinking person why I decided to place my post here…nc presented the idea that Clinton balanced the budget and there was a surplus. I merely pointed out that the Clinton balanced budget was a myth and there never was a surplus, ie I presented facts.

        The idea that this would trigger such a response from you only makes me smile, no, actually laugh.

        Why on earth do you even try when the good majority recognize you for what you are. Try as you may, I can’t be bullied by you because I understand, like so many on this website, what you are all about.

        The only obvious shill in this conversation is YOU, Half Wit Thinker. To believe that any person that actually can think with a whole brain would believe your unruly and childish attempt to diminish,on this website,any person or comment is laughable at the very best.

        Now rest assured that Half Wit Thinker will waste a lot of space(many paragraphs) pointing his half brained attacks at me, DaveH, Jay, Vicki or anybody else(boogeymen)that dares to point out his lack of rational thought and his Alinsky driven diatribes.

        Ta Da for now…Quack, quack!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        JeffH says, “Now rest assured that Half Wit Thinker will waste a lot of space(many paragraphs) pointing his half brained attacks at me, DaveH, Jay, Vicki or anybody” JeffH then “wastes a lot of space (many paragraphs)” as he squirms and thrashes like a vampire sprinkled with the holy water of truth—watch him smoke, listen to him scream—perhaps I can drive a stake of truth through his duplicitous heart and put him out of his misery.

        First, let’s look at the comment that JeffH think “justifies” his “wastage of a lot of space (many paragraphs)” both in his reply to it and his squirming and thrashing here.

        NC said little, “….from 1999-2001! I believe that just a little research will show that those years produced BALANCED BUDGETS AND SURPLUSES> OUR LAST BALANCED BUDGETS AND SURPLUSES AS A MATTER OF FACT!”, and NC spoke truth, in spite of JeffH’s feeble attempts to massage the numbers. Jeff spent 1-1/2 screens on his reply to that and almost another full screen lashing out at me out because I have apparently not just stepped on his toes but crushed them. Poor baby!

        Now for the stake!

        “JeffH wants to run us around in circles about the nickel and dime numbers of the Clinton years when the reality of the deficits produced under the “cut taxes, borrow and spend, redistribute wealth UPWARD” presidents is there for all to see? If you add up the three deficits, it comes to around $6,000,000,000,000. which is around ONE THOUSAND times the Clinton number Jeff disputes.. Jeff is in effect walking by a TEN DOLLAR BILL so that he can pick up a PENNY and worry it to death. Lord love a duck, Jeff! Whatever were you thinking when you posted this?”

        Does that sound familiar? It’s all true and Jeff has not addressed any of it or answered my question. Let’s look at what he did say instead, and comment on some of it.

        Half Wit Thinker
        continues to open mouth – insert foot
        progressive filled rant (whatever that is)
        paid shill
        (Half Brain Thinker)
        unhinged progressive since his arrival
        (And all of you at Trolls-n-Shills-r-Us are just thrilled that I showed up, aren’t you?)
        Yada, yada, yada
        (and I only deleted a dozen words from that assemblage of stupidity!)

        Jeff says, “The idea that this would trigger such a response from you only makes me smile, no, actually laugh”. Yes Jeff, I imagine it would—-not to be unkind to the handicapped, but does your mouth hang open and do you drool also? I know you talk to imaginary friends.

        Jeff says, “Why on earth do you even try when the good majority recognize you for what you are”
        A “good” majority? “Recognize me for what I am?” Why don’t you let them speak for themselves—if they are no smarter than you, I’ll probably be able to beat their brains in too. By the way, where are DaveH, Jay, and Vicki? (your coworkers at the Trolls-n-Shills-r-Us dungeon). I have enough “half-brained attacks” to go around for all of them. Perhaps they have the day off? Or they’re hiding from me? Vicki sure seems to be doing that.

        Jeff then says I’m bullying him—again, poor baby!. Try as you might to make it seem otherwise, when someone points out truth to you, or points out your lies to the world, that is not “bullying”. Man up! You’ve shown us “what you’re all about” and it’s not very impressive—stop namecalling and squirming and answer my arguments (GO BACK AND SEE “STAKE”)

        And Dave finishes with a flourish—more stupidity (condensed to save space)
        obvious shill
        Half Wit Thinker.
        unruly and childish attempt
        laughable at the very best (probably accompanied by slack jaw and drooling).
        (boogeymen)
        lack of rational thought
        Alinsky driven diatribes.
        Ta Da
        Quack, quack!

        Lord love a duck, Jeff! That was a sorry attempt. Will you try again? And do better next time? I would love the challenge of dealing with something other than whining and name-calling

      • JeffH

        Half Brain Thinker, I do detect a rather sharp shrill in your voice(comment). Check your blood pressure and your heart rate…you seem so unhealthy or is it the fact that ou have no facts and have attempted, unsuccessfully I might add, to change the fact that any Clinton surplus never existed and he never balanced any budget. Please tell all of us how a claimed $236 billion surplus resulted in the national debt increasing by $18 billion under Clinton?

        Ta da for now! Quack, quack!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        JeffH is close to complete and utter defeat but he must make one last feeble attempt to play with the numbers and salvage an argument where there is none. I have no facts? Look again at the deficit/surplus figures that I used to flush Jeff’s toilet. I didn’t make them up. Google around and find the many variations that don’t agree exactly in every detail but DO all point exactly in the direction I pointed out.

        And now Jeff is grasping at an $18 billion straw in his continuing attempt to evade the big picture.

        He has walked by not a $10 bill, but somewhere around $35 this time, in order to pick up that penny he is so obsessed with.

        And again, a typically weak finish with the obligatory gratuitous insults—-JeffH surely MUST be one of DaveH’s multiple personalities—-he sounds so much like him at times. And both resort to name calling when they have been bested in an argument.

        Quack, quack! Indeed. The only appropriate response to that is “Stupid, stupid!”

      • Average Joe

        JeffH,
        “Half Brain Thinker”

        You’re really being generous today….lol. More like (W)Rong Brained Thinker…that would be closer to reality,

        AJ

      • Kate8

        RBT – Nice try, but JeffH runs circles around you any day of the week.

        The only ones who think you have anything going for you are your alter-egos…

        Unlike you and your shill cohorts, JeffH doesn’t need to post under other names in order to have agreement and support.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, :) Yeah, ole Half Wit has some serious issues he’s dealing with. Most of ‘em are all those boogeymen dancing on the thinking half of his brain.

        I find it utterly amazing that he says so little in so much space.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT: It is beyond comprehension as to why JeffH feels he must make this comment on this thread at this time. Did he make a mistake and copy the wrong thing out of his “notebook of stuff for shills to post”? Was it meant for another thread where it might be meaningful?

        Perhaps this, was the reason, RBT?

        nc: You pointed out Mr. Lew served on President Clinton’s staff as DIRECTOR of Management and Budgets from 1999-2001! I believe that just a little research will show that those years produced BALANCED BUDGETS AND SURPLUSES> OUR LAST BALANCED BUDGETS AND SURPLUSES AS A MATTER OF FACT!

        Come on, RBT, FOCUS!

      • JeffH

        Jay, he’s focused all right..on you, me, DaveH, Vicki, AJ, Kate8, Vigilant, Bob L, Ben C, John M, Sam R and anyone else that poses any honest and real threat to his “shill-dom”. Visions of boogeymen dancing in half his brain.

        Is he totally unhinged? Absolutley! He’s starting to sound more and more like Falsy and eddie every day.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma!

        • JeffH

          :)

      • Right Brain Thinker

        It’s really heartwarming to see that JeffH has some brain-dead buddies that will console him after he has been “bullied” by the truth. Let’s look at this little string of comments.

        Average Joe makes his usual below-average contribution with “(W)Rong”

        Kate8 continues to show us that she is deluded with her “JeffH runs circles around you any day of the week”.and “JeffH doesn’t need to post under other names in order to have agreement and support”. (that last one is true in one sense—-his shill buddies get paid to support him under ALL of his “altered egos”)

        JeffH thanks them and tries to deflect attention back to me so that he can avoid facing his defeat. He is right about boogeyman dancing in brains—-I’m one and I’m dancing all over his. JeffH also says, “I find it utterly amazing that he says so little in so much space”. Classic denial, Jeffy—I apparently say enough to “bully” you (as you whined about), and I try to use just the right amount of words to make my points—occasionally a few too many, but not the too few that many on PLD use because they really have nothing to say

        WTS/JAY had arrived for duty on the night shift at Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us and leaps to JeffH’s support—-he rushed it, though, and made no real point that I can see—-Come on, JAY, FOCUS! Perhaps JAY is only going through the motions because he too is asking himself “Why did JeffH climb up on the edge of the bowl like this and beg to be flushed?” (JAY is a more experienced and professional shill and probably thinks JeffH is an amateur)

        JeffH is thankful for any kind of “support” from JAY and replies, “Jay, he’s focused all right..on you, me, DaveH, Vicki, AJ, Kate8, Vigilant, Bob L, Ben C, John M, Sam R and anyone else that poses any honest and real threat to his “shill-dom”.

        Why do you try to drag all those others into the swamp with you? Some of them won’t like it . Bob L doesn’t belong there, I don’t think I’ve ever commented much on Ben C, Vigilant and I have had some good exchanges—he’s an “honest” conservative, and Sam R is just earning a paycheck most of the time with straight “reporting”. And it’s hard to focus on JeffH, Jay, DaveH, Vicki, AJ, and Kate8 when they’re so “out of focus” most of the time—-I have to work at it.

        (I would also love to be there when JAY leans over the top of his cubicle and smacks JeffH in the head while saying “Dummy, he already knew about the four of us, and you just confirmed that AJ and Kate8 are trainees here”

        And Thanks for the compliment—-this is the nicest thing anyone in the Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us group has said to me since Vicki last “flirted” with me and the truth.
        “He’s starting to sound more and more like Falsy and eddie every day”

        JAY closes weakly with an inanity—he does love his little inappropriate quotes—”RBT is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma!” And JeffH just smiles—no mystery there—he has nothing more to say. And we have come full circle—-he said nothing in the comment that provoked this whole sub-thread, and says nothing to end it. Or is it not over?—-will the 6 stooges continue to provoke the bull? Should I sharpen the horns of truth? Or would that be bullying? LOL

      • JeffH

        Half Wit

        des·per·a·tion (dsp-rshn)
        n.
        1. The condition of being desperate.
        2. Recklessness arising from despair

      • JeffH

        Half Wit, I believe someone else in your camp came up with the
        key to your dominant character trait. This character trait would easily apply to the daily progressive shills that frequent PLD.

        You suffer from a simple case of false bravado.

        False Bravado: portraying yourself as much more confident then you are as a defense mechanism.

        He knows he’s a wack job, but his false bravado causes him to strut around claiming he’s schooling everyone that doesn’t buy into his shill-dom.

        My work is done here and thanks for playing.

        Ta da!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Well look here! JeffH explains to us why he “quit” with a smile. He was DESPERATE, and has to spell it out and define it for those who didn’t realize he was. (I did) :

        des·per·a·tion (dsp-rshn)
        n.
        1. The condition of being desperate.
        2. Recklessness arising from despair

        Then he displays some “false bravado” himself as he tries to pin that on me.
        Lord love a duck, Jeffy!—-you are a fool. (JAY—smack him upside the head again)

        My work is done here too, Jeffy, unless you want to “false bravado” your way back in front of the bull on this LOOOOOOOOOOOONG and wasteful exchange. I need to go sharpen some horn tips—–I’ve dulled more than a few today on your thick hide.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chylene.ramsey Chylene Ramsey

    Why is always the “greedy rich” and the “corportions” that are to blame? It seems to me that it’s the people trying to grab all the rich folks’ money that are the greedy ones. As for corporations, not all of them are of them are corrupt, either. The beauty of a free, capitalist society is that it is quite possible for any person to become rich and own a corporation. IN a socialistic society, there aren’t any–everybody is poor, because you’ve used up everydody else’s money. You won’t have an ethical government until you have an ethical society. You won’t have an ethicl society until you return to ethicl values. And you won’t do that by supporting avything or anyone that is morally corrupt–llike the Imposter and those who tacitly approve of him. Don’t like corrupt corporations/ Don’t buy their products, but don’t condemn the honest ones tht are about the only entities keeping the country alive right now.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      I assume Chylene is speaking to me since I’m the only one who had used the term “greedy rich” here today. Chylene doesn’t really want an answer to her first question—it’s just a springboard for her to share with us all that horsepucky that she picked up from the circular firing squad sites and has molded into what she thinks is a coherent statement-position-philosophy…

      Thank you, Chylene, for sharing. You seem like a sincere person and haven’t called anyone a name beyond “imposter”, so I won’t make you uncomfortable by prying you out of your delusions. Be well.

    • eddie47d

      The thing is Chylenne there are Imposters on Wall Street and in Washington. Its hard to separate the two these days and almost all Corporations do business on Wall Street and lobby in Washington. Where do you stand on Financial Reform that benefits the country and not Corporate CEOs or Washington insiders? Will we ever achieve trickle down Ethics? The term “insurance company leftists” was used in this article which is rather an oxymoron. The few leftist sites I occasionally visit they want Universal Healthcare plans free of the private insurance providers. What we had and what we still have under the AHCA still favors those same private insurance companies. Those profit driven private companies have ALWAYS increased their costs at the expense of the patient and to please the investors. That is Greed driven which puts money above patient care. Companies like United Health Care and Aetna/Blue Cross have been nothing more than healthcare services and capitalism run amuck! The CEOs and investors made out like bandits while those using the companies services got the royal shaft. ( huge bills) That includes Medicare patients where those companies stiffed the government. (Now they claim the government is stiffing them by reducing payouts). We have seen cost containment from those private companies in 30 years.

    • Steve E

      Why is always the “greedy rich” and the “ corporations” that are to blame? It is just another mantra the left uses, just like they say you are racist if you don’t agree with Obama, and another one would be is to Blame Bush all the time.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Steve, it is not a “mantra” when one speaks the truth—-as in saying “the sun will come up tomorrow”. And it is not a mantra of the left—if you get educated, you will find people across the spectrum saying much the same thing about the greedy rich and the corporations (Bob did in this article, didn’t he?)

        Not that I hang out with many lefties, but I have NEVER heard one say “you are racist if you don’t agree with Obama”—-could you cite a source for that? Some lefty that said it?

        Nor have I heard any “Blame Bush all the time”—–Bush deserves much blame, but not all of it and no one is doing it “all the time”.

        Actually Steve, it appears as if YOU are the one using “mantras” here, those same old mantras the right uses in place of real arguments .

      • Steve E

        RBT. I see blaming Bush and the racist card played out, even on this site, many times. Perhaps you are the one that needs to be educated, but I don’t think you have the ability to learn anything. I’ve never known a lefty to have the ability to learn anything new.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Properly with not knowing it, the people you are refering to are thinking out of the communist instruction manual. Communist pick people, places and things that the masses find repugnant and associate them with people, places and things they are against You have to do what Reagan did. Trust, then verify. Go to the website LEXREX.COM for a real education. Once you’ve built a foundation of right knowledge, you’ll be better equipped to see through ignorance.

      • eddie47d

        That’s classic Steve E you bring up “blame Bush” and then accuse others of bringing it up. Nothing but slick duck and cover on your part! Can you then answer a question? Why did those insurance companies gouge us for those 30 years?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Steve E says, in a smug and condescending way, “Perhaps you are the one that needs to be educated, but I don’t think you have the ability to learn anything”. And “I’ve never known a lefty to have the ability to learn anything new”.

        Gratuitous insults? To what purpose? To show everyone he really has nothing to say but wants to be noticed? To beat his chest? The “never known a lefty….” comment is just plain stupid on the face of it.

        And speaking of needing an education, Steve needs to take some reading lessons, because he has failed to comprehend AGAIN what I said. His “blaming Bush” and “playing the racist card” prove that, and don’t really explain whatever point he’s trying to make. Read what I said again, Steve, and try to respond intelligently to it. I SPECIFICALLY spoke to “you are racist if you don’t agree with Obama” and “Blame Bush ALL the time”, and you are just repeating the mindless mantra of the right rather than think about what I said.

        Try again, Steve

        Not that I hang out with many lefties, but I have NEVER heard one say “you are racist if you don’t agree with Obama”—-could you cite a source for that? Some lefty that said it?

        Nor have I heard any “Blame Bush all the time”—–Bush deserves much blame, but not all of it and no one is doing it “all the time”.

      • GRusling

        The “Greedy Rich” and “Greedy Corporations” are lumped together by the left and referred to as though they represent a truism, and always follow. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Bill Gates (a committed left-winger) is dramatically rich, but “greed” has no place in his makeup. He is altruistic to a fault, giving far more to the charities he chooses to support than he retains for himself. This is just “one” high-profile rich man who defies the stereotype, but there are many, many more, on both sides of the political spectrum. On the right, to match Bill Gates, John Huntsman comes easily to mind. His goal is to die broke, having given everything he owns to charity, and that “everything” is comprised of billions of dollars, all of which he earned honestly.

        There is no “bright line” in society which makes all rich men dishonest and/or greedy while the “poor” are all honest and hardworking. I know a lot more POOR crooks than I do rich ones. Some of the rich certainly are, but I seriously doubt they make up a majority. As corporations go, most are far from greedy or corrupt. Most are made up of honest, hard-working individuals who have pooled their money with like-minded people to achieve a dream of success in one field or another. That’s what a corporation is. There are, of course, corporations like General Electric which intend to dominate their field by hook or crook, including being expert at “Crony Capitalism” where they use Government to advance their dominance. For every “one” such corporation, however, there are many more which are honest to a fault, asking only “equal opportunity” to compete in their chosen field. There are thousands and thousands of them, all across America, providing good paying jobs, often with benefits to all their employees. Most have never been heard of outside their local area of operations, and most are also not publicly traded on any stock exchange. They have no “Public Stock” so we don’t even know their names, but they are corporations just the same; honest and well managed for the most part…

      • Steve E

        eddy and RBT. Everyone knows that you are just leftist trolls out there that talk nonsense. No one believes what you are saying. But I bet they know what I am saying.

      • GALT

        On the lumping and delumping of the greedy rich and greedy corporations!

        Some of the rich certainly are, but I seriously doubt they make up a majority.

        And you know this because………? BTW isn’t it rather ‘curious’ that you have
        “serious doubts” about something which you DO NOT KNOW?

        As corporations go, most are far from greedy or corrupt.

        Well there are many different types of corporations and variations thereof,
        and the first effect that IS known is that being “inc”, limits liabilities to the
        assets of the corporation. The second thing that is known, for chapter c
        corporations is that they are required by LAW, to focus on increasing
        share holder value ( profits ) to the exclusion of all else, and that they
        are also required by LAW to keep two sets of books, one for tax purposes
        and one for “shareholders”.

        Also in terms of the “majority” of which you speak…….actual impact is not
        a matter of the # of corporations………but percentage of “assets” they
        control and the influence this has over the “market” or sector of
        the economy they are ‘competing*’ in. ( and the EFFECT they have )
        domestically and GLOBALLY!

        Most are made up of honest, hard-working individuals who have
        pooled their money with like-minded people to achieve a dream of
        success in one field or another. That’s what a corporation is.

        SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW…….it is possible, that you might
        find an example of that configuration……….limping along, but you will
        find the “majority” of those that have attempted it ( as you describe )
        in the graveyard of FAILED business’.

        Your anecdotal citation of Bill Gates provides some illumination here
        on any number of levels with regard to “perception and REALITY”.

        1.) What became Microsoft’s operating system was purchased intact
        from the person who invented it for $25,000.
        2.) For both Microsoft and Apple, the technical aspects of the business
        rested with Paul Allen and Steve Wozniak…….
        3.) The success of Microsoft was due to the “arrogance” of another
        corporation you might be familiar with IBM, who refused to purchase
        Microsoft’s operating system for $200,000, which would have been
        the end of Bill Gates.
        4.) While the “charitable” ending is a nice touch, where it is directed
        and it’s efficacy are subject to scrutiny. Well intentioned intent, does
        not necessarily produce beneficial results. While also anecdotal,
        the amount of effort and attention as well as funds raised did little to
        improve the conditions in Haiti………..and people in “non profits”
        still get PAID…..
        5.) Bill Gates will never be forced to choose hamburger over steak
        because he can not afford it, or anything else he chooses to
        consume, which is far more that Warren Buffet will ever manage,
        probably because it took him so long to realize the “fruits” of
        his rather “singular and questionable” talent……..who has no clue
        as to the damage he is incurring ( in the acquisition of wealth )
        and no interest in the disposition of it, either.

        Now despite the fact that you might “believe” that the “effects” of
        the “greedy corps and greedy rich” are not the “intended” consequences
        of the “majority”……….both the design of the mechanism and inertia,
        are sufficient to produce both “unintended consequences”, as well
        as severe ones, when they are intended.

        Of course, Factual History can clear this up…..two recent offerings:

        The Good Rich and What They Cost Us: Robert F. Dalzell, Jr.

        and far more comprehensive and relevant:

        The Rich Don’t Always Win: San Pizzigati

        which is not for the “intellectually timid”, but it will definitely help
        with the “serious doubt” to if nothing else the altering to a condition
        of “reasonable doubt”…….on any number of things.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Tony, you need to understand that The Obama Phone Lady is a joke and has about as much crediblity as Glenn Beck. She’s a performer, just like Donald Trump, and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

        “RBT you are a smooth talker and work very hard to ” BLEND ” the Collective together”
        Tony, I’m not sure what you’re saying here but making good arguments in support of an opinion is not “smooth talking”. If something I say makes you uncomfortable, maybe it’s because you’re seeing the truth of what I said? It’s OK to be persuaded and change your mind about something. All thinking people do it.

        Yeah, good old Madeline, the Democratic battle-axe. Of course, she was speaking to a pro-O’Bama crowd, so it’s no surprise she would make this joke in front of them—they knew it was a joke, that’s why they laughed. And it’s not a joke in the sense that history WILL “blame” Bush FOREVER, just as GW is “blamed” for being the “Father of Our Country” and Lincoln is “blamed” for the Emancipation Proclamation and freeing the slaves. You do something, it gets remembered—-some people will attach “blame” to what you may do—-it’s not fair to blame bush for ALL of it, and I have said that more than once, but the constant denial from the right that BUsh was the last guy holding the ball and made the last play after 30+ years of game-playing by the plutocracy and the corporatocracy means he’s “it”..

    • JUKEBOX

      I see that in the last few days, there were a Supreme Court Justice from Michigan, and Ray Nagan, former Mayor of New Orleans, indicted for “GREEDY” corruption while in office.

  • ItCanHappenToYou

    Very interesting, all of you. My biggest question is whether the system of abuse is to far gone already. At some point it is easier to “tear it down and start over”, than try to fix so many problems/corruption that exist throughout our current system. It is really sad that the people that we elect have so few morals and take their responsibily to us so litely!

  • GRusling

    In order to understand, we must first recognize that there is no “left v right” in place to counter each other. What we have is a single political party with two different groups (both having the same intent) vying for power and control of the party. That’s why a few “republicans” in the House of Representatives who wouldn’t toe the party line suddenly found themselves without committee assignments after the last election. It’s a lot like two dominant women fighting for control of the PTA. It’s doubtful there’s any meaningful difference in where they would take the organization, but each craves the “power” of the gavel, and that’s all it’s about. Once we know that and come to terms with it we MIGHT be able to move forward toward better government. First we have to break the democrat/republican grip on the system, which is difficult because our current government has, through legal maneuvers, put this political party in charge of our elections. That means we can never “ELECT” our way out of this box, and the court system (sworn to uphold the “law”) is useless as well, for our purpose. An outside party can never get inside access because the republicrats won’t let them in, and they’re in charge with the full power of both federal and State government at their disposal.

    How do we break this lock? I don’t know, but that’s the stacked deck we’re up against and we’ll have to defeat it to ever get our government back on track. I think we’ll need to start at the local level and slowly move up, but how can we inform the people and convince them? Our education system is completely infiltrated and totally controlled by the same group, so before it can be of any use, we’ll need to “eliminate” the monopoly government has on our education system, which presents it’s own unique set of difficulties because, who in authority is willing to give up the “money” being poured into their pockets by government bureaucrats? Can a local “School Board” defeat the system and take back control? Possibly, but where do we find enough people to “support” that school while it transitions? Our population is misinformed and dumbed down to the point where it’s very hard to get their attention, much less hold it long enough to explain the problem.

    I know… nothing but questions with no answers… but we’ll never have answers until we ask the right questions… and this is, at least, a start…

    • Right Brain Thinker

      ItCan and GR are thinking and asking rational questions.

      “tear it down and start over” sounds attractive, but what guarantee do we have that we could rebuild it into something better? We might just end up with “states” but no “united”.

      And GR starts to chase the wrong squirrel when he attacks the education system and suggests that it is a root cause. Education is a very local thing in the U.S., with the states at most dictating which books to use and what “standards” the local districts must work towards. The federal government is minimally involved, except for putting some requirements out there for those who want federal money.

      Beyond that, what is taught—-the curriculum—-reflects the local community’s desires. I have sat in many meetings listening to parents argue about what and how the schools should teach. That’s why we have seen several ludicrous attempts to put creationism into the science curriculum at both the local and state levels..

      I agree with GR when he states, “Our population is misinformed and dumbed down to the point where it’s very hard to get their attention, much less hold it long enough to explain the problem”, but the schools should be blamed for only a very small part of that. It’s true that the education system needs to be a BIG part of the solution, but it’s not the problem.

      • GRusling

        While we aren’t very far apart, your take that our education system is basically “OK” because it’s locally run by a school board ignores the fact that the “books” (teaching material) are in no way controlled by that local entity, and this is one of the biggest problems with our public education system. In order to get State accreditation, our “local” schools must use teaching material approved by the State Board of Education. I live in Texas, where such material is better than many other States, but it’s still terribly biased and inaccurate. Take a history book from your local school and proof read it. If you know a little about REAL history, you’ll find numerous misleading statements but the REAL problem is all the things which are never mentioned. They’re simply not there, they’ve ceased to exist for our children (my grand-kids) so, the coming generation will have no real sense of who they are and how they came to be where they are.

        The next biggest problem with public schools is their corruption of the English language. Since history has been corrupted, they’re stuck with the modern interpretation of words such as “liberal” with respect to politics. They’ll be told that our Founders were all liberal in their belief’s, but nowhere is there a reference to what that meant at the time. No one will tell them that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson considered “liberal” politics to mean “liberally interpreting the rights of the individual,” not liberally interpreting the power of government. These are two precisely opposite meanings for the same term, yet nowhere in our public schools is that distinction taught.

        In order to “teach” in our public schools, you must be “State Certified” and if enough local teachers aren’t, your school itself can’t be certified. Not being certified means your graduates must jump thru a series of hoops to get into college, and few parents will approve of that situation so good luck getting your school board to ignore the State requirement and hire people who can and will teach true history and properly define the English language. Teachers who have been educated, vetted and certified by “the system” have themselves, been indoctrinated, and few realize they’re not properly educating their students. I have a Daughter/Teacher who is constantly frustrated by what she “must teach” (even though it’s wrong) and what she’s “not allowed” to teach, so believe me, my opinion of this subject is not ill-informed.

        Our schools shape our future leaders, so what they’re taught now is extremely important, and don’t think for a minute our “would-be masters” aren’t well aware of that fact and working diligently to rewrite the curriculum to suit their view of what our future should be, rather than allowing it to follow the natural order of things. This is why the “Prussian System” of public education was imported wholesale into these United States in the early 1800′s. It is not designed to create great, independent thinkers. Rather it creates “worker-bees” for the industrial complex which now controls most of government, both State and federal…

      • Right Brain Thinker

        You make some good points, GR, and we could have a lot of fun talking about education over a beer. I spent 30 years in education, 22 as an administrator at the high school level and know exactly of what you speak (or at least how it was back before I retired 20 years ago—some things don’t change, though) Texas was and is behind the curve on textbook content and is one of the bigger states that the publishers expect to sell a lot of books to, so they cater to that—-fortunately, a lot of other big states lean the other way and that balances things somewhat. My grandsons in NJ have some very good books and VA had good ones in my day.

        I hope your daughter doesn’t have a “Gestapo” overseeing her. Back in my day, things were a lot “looser” in that teachers had the freedom to supplement the texts and present alternate viewpoints. I myself encouraged a certain amount of “subversion” on the part of the staff—-at one of my schools in the 70′s we had an “underground newspaper”—excellent piece of work put together by some of the brightest kids in the school, and it had views from all across any spectrum you could find. They had an “undercover sponsor” as well—-I caught her late one day xeroxing the latest edition on the school machine. After picking her up off the floor, I assured her that she was not going to be fired and arranged for her to have access to the xerox machine at “quiet times”. Even arranged for the custodians to deliver a couple of cases of paper as needed to her so she didn’t have to scrounge for it as she had been doing. My only caveat to her was “Don’t let them get too crazy or I’ll have to shut you down and don’t tell them where you’re getting the paper and copying time”. If they had known that their arch enemy (THE GOVERNMENT) was helping them, they might have stopped publishing. The paper was so good and they started printing so many copies that it began to be used in social studies and English classes as a resource. That’s what education was back then (and still is in many places, I hope). The only small downside to the whole thing (and it went on for 2 or 3 years before the kids lost interest), was that the sponsor of the “real” school newspaper kept complaining that she was losing readers and “why didn’t I do something about it”. My answer was “Find out why they’re reading the underground paper rather than yours and adapt”, which she did—-as a result, we had a better “real” paper as well.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      You will notice, education is not referenced in any of the founding documents. The founders knew that if government had a hand in education the people would be indocrinated to think as the government wanted them to. There are private schools and government schools. We’re all part of the public. The pedagog Horace Mann forced government schools on the people. He came on the pages of history about the time Karl Marx did. Coincidence?

  • FreedomFighter

    “This is the fascist system under which we currently exist. It’s fascism under the sweet-sounding name of democracy. It sounds sweet but stinks to high heaven.”

    I would like to add, every enemy America has communist, muslim, corporate, oil, or whatever is supporting the fascist system that is feeding them or them feeding it.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Right Brain Thinker

      WOW—-a truly “global” comment from FF—-Laus Veritas and S/F

      • FreedomFighter

        Both the communist an socialist parties of America support “The Obama Regime”

        The declared communist leaders of the Unions support “The Obama Regime”

        …list goes on and on…

        Shill on RBT…red diaper doper baby.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Call them what you will but they are godless involuntary socialist. By that I mean their gods in their in own right that believe the government has every right to take the peoples wealth from them and distribute a portion to their “subjects” to the people’s planned society. Hitler found that by giving the people the illusion of having something they would be more productive to his goals. That’s fascism. Lenin, Stalin and their ilk felt owning everything, including the people, they could use people like capital items to produce a society that would be to their liking. People are either assets or liabilities in the communist world. You were an asset if you produced for the state, them, or a liability if you were not productive to their liking. Like all labilities, you would dealt with accordingly.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        FF “red diaper doper baby” ??????????.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT, what FF means is, red diaper doper babies that helped get obama elected. What is a “red-diaper-doper-baby”?

        Red diaper doper babies are the children of leftist intellectual baby boomers, raised from birth on Marxism and a drug tolerant environment, and now in places of political and intellectual influence.

        Red diaper doper baby politicians who want to legalize marijuana and tax the successful to support the unproductive.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Thanks for the info, JAY
        For a second there I thought FF was talking about me. Or some poor kids who had blood in their stool or something.

        My parents were born to immigrant parents and came up through the depression years. Don’t think they even knew what a “marxist” was—-I didn’t until I was in junior high.

        And are you serious about “…..and now in places of political and intellectual influence” and “who want to legalize marijuana and tax the successful to support the unproductive” or is that just “sloganizing” horsepucky?

  • mark

    This is called corruption not fascism. Corruption operates in all systems, communist, socialist, capitalist, fascist, democracies, and republics. It is a human not a politcal condition. If you can eliminate human beings from a system, then you can get rid of corruption. Otherwise, all we can do is try to limit it through stricter rules, investigations, enforcement, punishments, a free press, balanced government (in which no single party or branch has predominant power) and wider transparency. That is why corruption is less prevalent in more open, democratic systems and much more prevalent in closed authoritarian and totalitarian systems. But it can never be totally eliminated because it is a human predeliction – like lust, greed, jealousy, hatred, the will to power, etc.

  • Ron r

    You did not mention Jim (nitwit) Demitt the conservative nazi who we t to freedom works / dam the middle class. Most either go to k syreet or Fox News which is the case with most on the right .so what’s your point Bob,against people (non right wing)making a living??

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      No Ron R. His point is he doesn’t like people that use the government to put their hands in other people’s pockets to “earn” a living and he doesn’t like politicians that are willing to do that for them. Are you one of those Ron R? Do you enjoy living off other people’s wealth?

      • mark

        I disagree, Christian American. Ron R has a legitimate point. Because when Republican presidents are in power they frequently funnel government funds to right-wing organizations and think tanks. And even so-called limited government, conservative foundations have big government agendas that they push for all the time no matter what party is in office, such as channeling more and more federal money to defense industries, to foreign aid for Israel and various right-wing governments, to government support and subsidies to a number of industries: big agriculture, gun manufacturers, producers of strategic technologies and surveillnace equipment. Right-wing think tanks do not have clean hands, either. Jim DeMint will be pushing for this kind of federal spending while decrying Democratic social progams – and he will be making a huge salary for doing so. Don’t kid yourself.

    • JUKEBOX

      Most of the left wingers go running back to Wall Street, so they can perpetuate their status as part of the 1%, or go to MSNBC or CNN.

  • oldgringo

    Facsism or Communism…..Are they entertwined?

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Fascism is simply stated as Privately owned but government controlled. Communism is Government owned and government controlled, including you. People are degenerated into nothing but something the government can use to implement it’s goals. The Emperor Caligula spoke for Obama when he said: If I am man, then my subjects are something else. If they are men, then I am something more.

      • mark

        Oh, so now Caligula, even though he died in 41 A.D., is speaking for Obama? I thought just Hitler, who died in 1945, and Stalin who died in 1953, spoke for him? So you are now channelling tyrants from the past through your consciousness into Obama’s spirit? Talked to Shirley MacLaine lately? Wow that’s a neat trick, Christian American. I thought Christians regarded performing this kind of stuff as wtichcraft or demonology?

        • tony newbill
          • John Woodruff

            In the video you posted, Mr. Holder says young people are saturated with violence in the media. By media he means, TV, movies, comic books (if people still read them), and video games. While it is true that we are saturated with these things it doesn’t make us violent. It doesn’t even desensitize us to violence. It just desensitizes us to fake violence on TV shows, in movies, and in video games.
            By Mr. Holder’s logic, if media violence makes us violent, then Monopoly makes us rich.

          • tony newbill

            John read this , the Army is using Hollywood gaming industry to Seek out the best Video games to train killers with , so think about that for a minute before you say we are not training our young in the civilian world to be killers with these videos !!!! http://www.stripes.com/news/not-playing-around-army-to-invest-50m-in-combat-training-games-1.85595

          • John Woodruff

            The article says they are handing the games out to soldiers that are either in the military, or are currently in training programs (ROTC). The military understands that %99.99 of militaristic video games are totally unrealistic and any experience gained in them can’t be transferred to real life combat. The Army specifically says it doesn’t want gamers. I’m also pretty sure the Marines wouldn’t be to thrilled if you signed up because “it looked cool in video games.”

          • tony newbill

            You and RBT are very SMOOTH talkers blending the collective together to isolate your opposition and make them look extreme but you forgot to say that the Army is going to these gaming industries for a product that is sold to the general public in which most are younger kids with minds that ARE EASILY INFLUENCED in this case to Grow Up Violent from the aggressive behavior that the Video teaches .
            If what you said was true then NOTHING a Teacher teaches would ” RUB OFF ” and NOTHING would be learned good or bad !!!!

      • eddie47d

        Have you flipped your lid Christian American? Caligula? I’ll send the fire brigade in to do Conservative damage control on that one if any of them have the courage. .

      • mark

        Tony, The NRA is also producing its own violent shoot’em up videos, while it condemns Hollywood’s. The NRA condemned Obama for “using” children at his press conference announcing his new gun proposals. But of course they used Obama’s children in their own ad that condemned him for hypocrisy.

        • tony newbill

          Mark What about the blood gushing in your face violent games that have you stabbing, beating, kicking ,switching out weapons like these shooters do with their multiple weapons they have been taking into do their mass killing with , I don’t see that in the Target Practicing video here ?

          The need to do away with it all is what needs to happen , Hollywood needs to focus on other investments that promote a well being a increased effort to produce more food would be a good start as the world is watching 2 Plus Billion go hungry everyday and no end in sight for food shortages as world population growth is going to reach 9 billion in the next 20 years , Lets all work together to solve the Food shortage threat and the education of the world societies to understand their earth is a finite element and that if they do not self regulate their family planning the shortages will bring on chaos and conflict that Government react too in nasty ways look at history !!!!!
          Go Here and Learn ; http://PeakResources.org

        • tony newbill

          here ya go Mark , let the 8,9,10, year olds who babysit themselves at home after school because ma and pa are still working and can’t afford a after school day care , and we will see a ban on this weapon next !!!!! http://www.medlmobile.com/apps/iphone/shotgun-free

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        mark:Tony, The NRA is also producing (its own violent shoot’em up videos), while it condemns Hollywood’s.

        mark, you lying little weasel you!

        NRA: Practice Range, a new iTunes app released Sunday by the nation’s largest gun-industry lobby, offers users a shooting-practice feature, tips on safety training and a state-by-state gun law database.

        The free app dispenses standard gun safety mantras before the user can begin to shoot: “Use only the correct ammunition for your gun;” “Never use alcohol or drugs before or while shooting;” “Know your target and what is beyond it.”

        It costs 99 cents to upgrade your firearm from a free M9 to a Beretta, a Browning or a Colt — and it offers indoor, outdoor and skeet shooting modes.

        According to the iTunes ratings system, the app is appropriate for users who are at least 4 years old because it contains “no objectionable material.” The ratings also include thresholds for 9-, 12- and 17-year-olds.

        The game “instills safe and responsible ownership through fun challenges and realistic simulations,” according to the description. “It strikes the right balance of gaming and safety education, allowing you to enjoy the most authentic experience possible.”

        Yup, that’s sounds really VIOLENT, hey mark?

        Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/nra-app-practice-range-86174.html#ixzz2IfAWqnTB

  • sidney

    Thanks for the news letters

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    The District of Criminals is like a maximum penalty prison whose walls came tumbling down. Our Constitution was designed to contain it’s occupants but we have let them with our apathy and our own willingness to rob our neighbor and hiring our elected officials to do it for us let them out. Yes, we are a fascist State. Facist simply means, private owned / government controlled. But, have faith, Obama plans on taking America to the next step, A COMMUNIST STYLE STATE His father was a communist and he’s been taught to be communist all his life. Simply put, communism is: Government owned / government controlled. We’re watching him buy America with the peoples wealth inthe form of taxes. Remember, that hated word “capitalism” is a word coined by the father of communism, Karl Marx. Capital is the thing used to produce things for human consumption. A builder builds two houses, one to consume, the other as a capital item to sell. A baker bakes two loaves, one to comsume, the other to sell.Tools are capital items. The glich. In the communist world, people are “capital items”, a means of production for the State, nothing more. remember, “All people are equal but some are more equal than others”. They are Obama and his ilk. Sounds frightening? It should. It’s time change the signatures on our “Declaration of Independence” and replace them with today’s patriots. Haven’t read it? It’s on the website LEXREX.COM. Read it. You’ll start to appreciate just what and who you are as Americans. Be sure to read and believe John 3:16. When the door is closed on the ruins of America if and when it happens, you’ll be able to open the door to eternal paradise

  • boyscout

    Apparently, even here on this site, many still buy into the left-right paradigm. I prefer the term “Republocrat” but any other would suffice in a system that (systematically) corrupts with revolving door employment as clearly identified in Mr. Livingston’s expose. I believe that we are NOW living under a tyrannical oligarchy and so are obliged to either meekly accept our circumstance or find appropriate solutions. Unfortunately, I do not believe that we can vote our way free.
    I would greatly appreciate a better mind than mine to offer alternatives.

    • tony newbill

      Tagging the sheep so they can tell the herd apart …..
      Facebook CIA connection
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DIGdWsxHJlM

      They say facebook Saves the CIA money ….CALLS OUT Mark Zuckerberg as a CIA Agent at frame 0:56
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YAnKibaY6mc

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Jesse Ventura has written a book titled “DemoCrips and ReBloodLicans” to reflect his argument that they are just competing “gangs”—-he says in the book what you say here but “Republocrats” wouldn’t sell as many books. Jesse’s mind is not thought to be “better” by some, but he does offer some good thoughts—-it’s worth reading.

      • boyscout

        I have always liked JV and will put this on my list. TYVM.

      • momo

        I don’t think they’re competing gangs, I think they’re one gang, with a competition on who’s going to run the gang.

    • tony newbill

      This stuff is like a ear tag on cattle so they can tell the sheep apart from the herd …..
      Facebook CIA connection
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DIGdWsxHJlM

    • Liberty Lover

      I also believe we can no longer vote our way to freedom. The small part of the electorate that understands history well enough to realize what we have lost is dying out while America’s pathetic education system continues to churn out voters who don’t have a clue that only a system which respects liberty provides security in the long term.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      That’s what our Declaration of Independence is all about. The founders were using it then, we have to use it now. With some minor changes it’s perfect for us.

      • JUKEBOX

        The founders never envisioned the subterranean culture of the revolving door bureaucrats, who run the members of Congress.

      • Bob666

        Yo CA,
        What changes would you make if it were up to you?

  • John Woodruff

    Fascism at in its most basic form isn’t always a bad thing. Fascism is very effective at fixing economies and ending rich vs poor strife. That said, fascism is also a bad thing because it also advocates a dictator as national leader, large militaries, war against other nations, and civil rights suppression. I would never want America to turn into a fascist state, and it will not happen unless everything goes totally wrong. People cried fascism in FDR’s New Deal, but instead of fascism, the nation became a world power and the guardians of Democracy. It would be impossible for President Obama or anyone to make America fascist because to do that they would need to abolish Congress, which the supremacy court, and the American people would never allow. Obama isn’t the evil anti-Christ the Tea Party makes him out to be. He doesn’t stay up late at night trying to think of ways to ruin the nation. He is doing what he and most Americans (as shown by the election) believe is the right thing for our country.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Good points, John.

      I think what we may be heading for is going to be more benign than “fascism”. I see “corporate feudalism” as more likely, and any student of history can tell you that feudalism was the most “successful” system ever devised (at least in terms of how long it lasted and how many civilizations adopted it).

      We will have the greedy rich and the corporate oligarchs as “rulers and royalty”, the bought and paid for legislators, bureaucrats, and corporate managerial class will be the “lesser nobility” that keep things moving, and the rest of us will be serfs. But we will be comfortable serfs—-with fairly decent housing and food, enough education do do our “serf” jobs, adequate if minimal health care, and even vacation time and “bread and circuses” entertainment. We will NOT, however, be voting an anything much.

      That is what I see sneaking up on us, and the only good thing about the “gun nuttery” sweeping the nation is that all those guns may in fact help stave it off (providing they’re used to intimidate the right people). The pro-gun folks need to come down off their rhetorical high horse and look at who is really trying to enslave them and take away their liberty.

      • http://www.facebook.com/susan.campoccio Susan Campoccio

        Hmm… we already have this situation….this nation was corrupted from the beginning; we were never the shining city on a hill as taught in our schools…there was/is our rhetoric, and then our questionable deeds….those who crave power have to have something/someone to have power over….

  • Tina Dean

    We need to gut the house and Senate, and remind them who they work for. TERM LIMITATIONS!!!!!!!!! Enough Said!

    • Right Brain Thinker

      No, Tina, not enough. Term limits might help but the biggest thing we should do is to get the special interest money out of elections and curtail the lobbyists. There are some honest folk out there in Congress, but they can’t be honest the way the deck is now stacked. The rule is “play or no pay”, and if they don’t play, the special interests will support their opponents and knock them out. (Which IS a form of “term limit”, but for the wrong reason)

    • Dave67

      Tina,

      What is truly required is a informed and active electorate. We as citzens need to take responsibility for our country and leadership for once.

      Hate corporatism? Stop voting for them…

      Hate going into BS wars and keeping the military industrial complex on corp welfare? Stop voting for those people who keep the charade going.

      See the point?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Tina,

        What is truly required is a informed and active electorate. We as citzens need to take responsibility for our country and leadership for once.

        Hate corporatism? Stop voting for them…

        Hate going into BS wars and keeping the military industrial complex on corp welfare? Stop
        voting for those people who keep the charade going.

        See the point? Ooops, wait a minute. I voted for Obama, so i guess that means i love corporatism, and the military-industrial-complex. Damn it, why do i keep sticking my foot in my mouth?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Dang, JAY

        You were doing just fine until you got to, “I voted for Obama, so i guess that means i love corporatism, and the military-industrial-complex”. You just had to attempt to put one more clever twist in there, didn’t you?

        I voted for O’Bama too—what you and I both did was vote for the guy that loved corporatism and the military-industrial-complex LESS than the other guy. There’s a difference.

    • Bob666

      Yom Tina,
      Term limits would be a good start.

  • Kolob

    Capitalism’s core value that anything for profit is just and good will be the end to us all. Our “leaders” behavior shows where this is all going. Fascism is corporate dictatorship and we are well on our way to it.

    • GRusling

      Anything for profit is good? I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone, right-winger or otherwise express such a sentiment. It certainly isn’t descriptive of Capitalism in general, so where did you get such an idea? Could it be from the “talking points” of those who would like to divide America along “class” lines, where the merchant and the craftsman are necessarily at odds with one another? Why can’t these two work together to the benefit of both?

      What’s wrong with the concept of “Be all that you can be?” What happened to the idea of working hard AND smart to achieve success? Is “success” now a bad word? If so, “The American Dream” no longer exists for anyone, and we’re all doomed to a lifetime of equal misery!

      Sorry, but I don’t buy your communist propaganda, and that’s exactly what it is and all that it is. Haven’t you noticed yet that the great “communist states” of the 20th century have all ceased to exist, or turned to capitalism in order to support their simplistic, unworkable ideology? Check out, for instance, China.

      When it comes to your words, your flatulence makes just as much sense…

  • gormar

    the framers of the Constitution, brilliant as they were, had the solution written into the constitution. we allowed it to be changed with the 17th amendment. If we were to abolish the 17th, the senators would once again be sent from the state legislature, and be responsible to the State from where they came, no longer could they be coerced and manipulated by lobbyist and special interests. If the senator wanted to stray from his duties to the state he represented, they could simply call him home and send someone else. The lobbyist could still influence the members of the house, but it would really do them no good as that would be only half the congress. This would solve the lobbyist/special interest problem.

  • Dave67

    What I find interesting is that the fascists love to use the word “freedom” alot.. Now who uses the term freedom alot here?

    Oh… thats right… right wing conservatives do…

    Very revealing.

    • Irish Love

      Just a brief question Dave67, what do YOU expect from a “right-wing” website (see About Bob Livingston)??? Again, just askin, why would you hang here knowing that Bob Livingston is a right wing conservative and does not necessarily support your views??? I am just curious. Please remember I was polite & diplomatic to you. TY

      • Dave67

        Irish,

        Its exactly what I expect. The trouble is, those who come here looking for people to validate their rightwing conservativeness never see their own hypocrisy, or their own faults or what conservatism has done in the past 30 years to get us to the level of debt we have now or the fact we have become a outsourcer of good paying jobs thanks to many of their policies.

        If I wanted agreement and someone to tell me “yes, you are so right”, I would go to a liberal site.

        I come here to get my belief’s challenged to see if my values are worth keeping and so far… There hasn’t been much from Mr Livingston and Co and their useful idiots to change my views on things.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Irish, Just what i expected.The trouble is, those who come here looking for people to validate their left-twing progressivism never see their own hypocrisy, or their own faults or what progressivism has done in the past 30 years to get us to the level of debt we have now or the fact we have become a outsourcer of good paying jobs thanks to many of their policies.

        If I wanted agreement and someone to tell me “yes, you are so right”, I would go to a liberal site.

        I come here to get my belief’s challenged to see if my values are worth keeping and so far… There hasn’t been much from Mr Livingston and Co and their useful idiots to change my views on things! And that’s because i’m highly-delusional and have a head made of cement!!! But that’s my cross to bear, not yours.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WHOA, JAY!

        You are doing your Steve Martin imitation on us here?>—-the “wild and crazy guy” thing?.
        Someone “comes here looking for people to validate their left-wing progressivism”?,
        and they never see “what progressivism has done in the past 30 years to get us to the level of debt we have now”?
        or the “fact we have become an outsourcer of good paying jobs thanks to many of their policies”
        All that is so “backwards” that my head is spinning.

        And the crowning touch—-”If I wanted agreement and someone to tell me “yes, you are so right”, I would go to a liberal site”, when everyone knows that’s what the right wing sites of the circular firing squad and parrot brigades are for?.

        You say, “I come here to get my belief’s challenged to see if my values are worth keeping and so far… There hasn’t been much from Mr Livingston and Co and their useful idiots to change my views on things! And that’s because i’m highly-delusional and have a head made of cement!!! But that’s my cross to bear, not yours.”

        Does alcohol penetrate cement?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      What I find interesting is that the fascists love to use the word “control” alot.. Now who uses the term “control” alot here?

      Oh… thats right… left-wing progressives do…

      Very revealing.`

      • Right Brain Thinker

        It’s bed time for me, folks—-JAY has obviously arrived for the night shift at the ever-busy “Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us” shop. I can’t let this one pass, though, so I’ll miss a little sleep in order to point out JAY’S hypocrisy, confusion, and short memory to all. .

        JAY has really labelled himself a fascist because he has used the word “control” as much if not more than anyone on this site. You may recall the recent comment on another thread in which he called me a “control freak” and used the word many times?

        And JAY makes one of those “bald assertions” when he talks about left-wing progressives on this site using “control” a lot. Anyone who thinks about it will come to the conclusion that he has it backwards. I challenge JAY to give us some examples, with time-date-thread identification—-it will be very revealing when he fails to do so.

    • Bob666

      Yo Dave67,
      A Very good Observation, and if you don’t agee with them-your just plain wrong.

  • SGT YORK

    It is a sad situation when all you have is a hen house full of Foxes and no chickens

    • Irish Love

      Dear Sgt. York, I was wondering if you could comment on the following excerpt?

      “Perhaps it’s time to ask the true purpose of FEMA and other federal agencies. When the necessity arises, National Guard Units under martial law paradigms will be rolled out for “control of widespread domestic unrest.” A 2009 report discusses something called a Stability Police Force resembling a hybrid military/ law enforcement entity created “under the guise of controlling domestic riots.” Use of National Guard units became familiar to residents of New Orleans during the Katrina episode, so citizens may initially not consider it unusual to see guard members serving along with FEMA in these 10 regions.

      Executive Orders, “…have been on the books for a half century now, empowering the Federal Emergency Management Agency to take control of everything from public and private communications, energy and transportation to housing and more.” (5) And since 9/11, the president has been given nearly limitless power, permitting officers of the Executive branch to ignore completely the constitutional rights of the American people.

      In March of 2012, Barack Obama created Executive Order number 13603, entitled National Defense Resources Preparedness. “In this Executive Order, Obama essentially gave himself the authority to declare Martial Law in times of war or peace.” War OR Peace! No longer will the federal government need the excuse of a disaster to impose its full will and authority on the American public!

      Lieutenant McCoy was right when he observed that “we’re in huge trouble!” The question is, will We the People have the courage to reclaim our constitutional rights?”

      TY Irish Love

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Irish Love asks Sgt. York to comment on the “following excerpt”. Since the Sarge hasn’t, I will do so in his place.

        “In March of 2012, Barack Obama created Executive Order number 13603, entitled National Defense Resources Preparedness. “In this Executive Order, Obama essentially gave himself the authority to declare Martial Law in times of war or peace.” War OR Peace! No longer will the federal government need the excuse of a disaster to impose its full will and authority on the American public!”

        Basically, what we have here is just more fear mongering in an “excerpt” that surely came from one of the circular firing squad sites. Executive order 13603 is just an update of EO 12919 from 1994, which was an update of EO 8248 from 1939—and EO 8248 was superceded a number of times after 1951 by updates, including two by George W. Bush. Many executive orders are just updates and/or restatements of previous ones, and all the outright lying about O’Bama’s executive orders is designed to just feed the paranoia on the right. EO 13603 is about as significant as upgrading the insurance coverage on the White House.

  • Karolyn

    Wow! Michelle Obama looks so beautiful today as she and the Pres. walk in the procession to the White House. HUGE crowds! No demonstrators.

    • tony newbill

      I agree the first lady does look great in that new hairdo

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        Lip stick on a socialist eleite Holleyweird lip smackers, a degreed worthless life support system for an entertasinment center!

      • Karolyn

        ridge runner – I wish I could understand your posts!

    • Karolyn

      I like her outfit too. Very classy.

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        Spoken like a liberisal moron, dresses and make up is just so much fluff, and proves again women that keep voting for facist democrats that beleive in private owned businesses under strict government regulation, or the marxist mind set of total government owned(busunesses) and government bosses, or the communist mindset of you work for the government, government will decide where you work ,and what you earn. All which the degrred mental morons in the beltway beleive in!

      • Irish Love

        ????????? I am sorry but are YOU for real??? This site is about LIBERTY not Fashion….. why don’t you go to “Style” or “O” and express your “glee”…….. jaysus…

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I agree with you Karolyn. The new hairdo is really great—-she should have done it years ago. Classy clothes too. Daughters are turning into fine young ladies. All in all, a good-looking All-American family.

        There was a great picture of the swearing in the WashPost—-the O’Bamas looking great front and center. Unfortunately you could see that malignant toad McConnell in the upper left and Boner to the right, and that spoiled it a bit. McConnell looked like he was constipated, and Boner looked like he was dreaming about being on the golf course with his rich buddies.

      • Bob666

        Yo Karolyn
        The New Dew is becomming to her, one does not have to agree with her to say that.

  • Average Joe

    Do shootings prove that Liberalism is a mental illness?
    Watch this and decide for yourselves.
    http://conservativevideos.com/2013/01/liberals-with-guns/

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Well here’s how you can tell if your a liberal and according to this video have a mental illness:

      Merriam Websters defines Liberalism as:

      1
      : the quality or state of being liberal
      2
      a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
      b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard
      c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)
      d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party
      — lib·er·al·ist noun or adjective
      — lib·er·al·is·tic adjective
      -http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism

      So if you believe in intellectual liberty, the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity, individual freedom from restraint, progress, the essential goodness of the human race, the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties you are by definition a liberal and evidently have a mental illness.

      You may disagree with people. But to call a political ideology a mental illness creates problems if you believe in anything that in any way is connected to said ideology.

    • Irish Love

      Here is ONE explanation:

      In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He claims that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, “fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States”.[2]

      Goldberg writes that there was more to fascism than bigotry and genocide, and argues that those characteristics were not so much a feature of Italian fascism, but rather of German Nazism, which was allegedly forced upon the Italian fascists “after the Nazis had invaded northern Italy and created a puppet government in Salò.”[3]

      He argues that over time, the term fascism has lost its original meaning and has descended to the level of being “a modern word for ‘heretic,’ branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the body politic”, noting that in 1946, the socialist and anti-fascist writer George Orwell described the word as no longer having any meaning except to signify “something not desirable”

      • GALT

        “The Master said….If names are not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language is not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success……..Therefor a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately. What the superior man requires, is just that in his words, there may be nothing incorrect.”

        “The Master said,…..Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know men.”

        Confucious 551 -479 B.C.

        Far be it from me to offer a suggestion with regard to the point raised ( again ) by
        by Irish Love……….in this “intellectual environment” but………

        “Opinions are like a$$xxxxx, everybody has one.”

        Given the nature of the majority of what is offered here, and that “argument” usually
        consists in whole or in part……..of the “classification by label” of the “opposing or
        threatening view” of one’s adversary? and in many cases, this by itself is
        considered an “argument”…….because “everyone knows” what you mean?

        “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past,
        controls the future.”

        You might want to consider that when you employ these words in this fashion,
        it is YOU who are being controlled……….which makes you an “opinionated
        a$$xxxxx”……..and that “your opinion” is serving the “agenda” of “those who
        control the past”………..so that even if you are acting in your “perceived self
        interest”, you might want to “check the past” just to be sure? Keeping in mind
        that without doing so the specter of “socialist/commie” pilgrim’s may be
        controlling your future?

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE! ” ( and then HANG, separately )

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    Today 4 year migration to the beltway zoo again proves, with enough money and plaster, any grumpy tailless bipedal can look presentable. Wonder if the grounds will look like a herd of hogs were penned there? Like the grounds did in the herd ’08 in! I noticed the marxist muslim, and his brain flogged socialist VP didn’t say what the are having to pay in extra taxes, or what their loss in their paychecks were, as wage earners are finding out. Just more pages of BS from the handbooks of marxists, spcialists, facists, and the old communist play books. Oh wait these SOB’s, that write the tax laws and exempt themselves. The muslim marxist tax returns has declared over a million dollars of reported in income, so he should have a $200,000 increase of federal taxes, of course his staff all have off shore accounts, that isn’t reported. Just like Grease Ball Rangle, the multi crimminally non charge dumbocrap who sat on the tax committeee for years.

    • Irish Love

      fas·cism (fshzm)
      n.
      1. often Fascism
      a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
      b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
      2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

      SEEMS WE ARE ON OUR WAY ~ Wake Up America!!

  • Reinhard Glatzel ( Ray )

    If you people want to know all about governments,manipulation by polititions, etc
    just google ” The Rothschild Dynasty “

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    A bunch of good buddies of George Soros, one of the main money men for the demorat party. The same puke that thinks he is the fader of Odumbo another wanna be ductator/god. Shades of Hilter and other dictators, perverts and idoits with mental problems.

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Just so I am clear Ridge. Are you talking about the same George Soros who funded the Velvet Revolution, the Orange Revolution and the Rose Revolution. The Velvet Revolution was against a communist take over. The Orange and Rose revolutions were against officials that had over stepped their authority and were becoming dictatorial. Shouldn’t you like him.

      And as for Obama. Name something he has done that shows as you call it “Shades of Hilter and other dictators, perverts and idoits with mental problems.”

  • Jim B

    The plutocracy that has ruined our government is cut from the same WS cloth. Eventually they will destroy all that they touch. They will find themselves one day amongst the zombies that they themselves have created and will become their dinner. Socialism is plutocracies weapon of choice and it has always been successful, that is until the money runs out, or becomes valueless. We chart both paths in parallel today. Either way, the plutocracy will suffer from their own doings. The plutocracy are now above all laws made for the people, your children do not pay back their government backed student loans, and you are exempt from most, if not all, criminal activities i.e. fraud (creating new currency from nothing), theft (full congressional salary at retirement even if only serving one term), and extortion (congressional exemption from mandatory (taken by force) government taxing of its citizens, and exempting itself from Obamacare). There is plenty left for them both to take, the wealth hidden in your personal accounts, your 401k’s, the RIA’s etc.. are all sitting ducks for new government confiscation schemes, and will be taken by force if necessary. The zombies wanted a historic presidency, and they will reap what they have sewn!

  • Financial Insecure John

    Tuesday, January 22, 2013

    Voters overwhelmingly believe members of Congress should take a pay cut until the federal budget is balanced, and a plurality thinks the president should do the same.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 81% of Likely U.S. Voters feel members of Congress should take a 25% pay cut until the federal budget is balanced. Only 12% disagree.

  • Not Blind To Facts

    You guys just figuring this out? Now, you know why the rest of us want to tax these soon-to-be millionaires. They are not raising taxes on the rich, because they are the rich who will pay taxes, when they retire from public life.

  • George Metsopulos

    I find it amazing that nobody has questioned the motives behind the Supreme Court’s decision on national health care.
    Could it be even remotely possible that if they decided to rule in the other direction, the American public would not be forced into paying through nose for automobile insurance? Who is the system really working for?
    Think about it.

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