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The Socialization Of America Is Economically Impossible

July 3, 2012 by  

The Socialization Of America Is Economically Impossible
Supporters cheer after the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a majority of Obamacare.

I understand the dream of the common socialist. I was, after all, once a Democrat. I understand the disparity created in our society by corporatism (not capitalism, though some foolish socialists see them as exactly the same). I understand the drive and the desire to help other human beings, especially those in dire need, and the tendency to see government as the ultimate solution to all our problems.

Let’s be honest: Government is just a tool used by one group or another to implement a particular methodology or set of principles. Unfortunately, what most socialists today don’t seem to understand is that no matter what strategies they devise, they will never have control. And those they wish to help will be led to suffer, because the establishment does not care about them — or you. The establishment does not think of what it can give; it thinks about what it can take. Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is just a con game that allows them to curry the favor of the serfs.

Other powers are at work in this world, powers that have the ability to play both sides of the political spectrum. The monied elite have been wielding the false left/right paradigm for centuries, and to great effect. Whether socialism or corporatism prevails, the elite are the final victors, and the game continues onward.

Knowing this fact, I find that my reactions to the entire Obamacare debate are rather muddled. Really, I see the whole event as a kind of circus, a mirage, a distraction. Perhaps it is because I am first and foremost an economic analyst. When looking at Obamacare and socialization in general, I see no tangibility. I see no threat beyond what we as Americans already face. Let me explain.

Socialism Is Failure

A country that feels the need to socialize has, in my view, already failed culturally. It is an open admission by the public that it is unwilling or unable to take responsibility for its own prosperity. If a county cannot function in a healthy economic manner without its government creating an artificial and precarious balance using fiat stimulus and overt taxation, then the people of that country are not remotely independent and self-sufficient. That is to say, only a Nation filled with pathetic, overgrown children would actually need government to enforce mandatory charity: welfare, healthcare, etc. A truly healthy society supported by strong and self-sustainable individuals would not beg to be parented by government. If a country is so unbalanced as to stoop to socialism, then its ailments already extend far beyond anything government (even good government) could ever hope to cure.

Obamacare, its tentative application and those who blindly support its introduction in the United States, are an example of a weak people groveling for handouts they do not work for nor deserve. Socialism is defeat. It is a waving of the white flag by a society and the trading of that culture’s liberty for the illusion of fiscal security. It is the act of an adolescent and naïve populace groveling for an allowance from their “motherland.”

If one wants to consider what a socialized America would actually be like, why not examine the track record of the EU, a group of nations that have dabbled extensively in the principles of collective centralization and various levels of socialism, including the extremes of communism and fascism (and yes, folks, both are derived from a socialist/collectivist foundation, despite what pseudo-intellectuals and propagandized academics will try to tell you).

What success have they accomplished in the course of their utopian endeavors?

Well, more than half of the states of the European Union have already reached debt-to-GDP (gross domestic product) ratios well beyond the limit required to retain membership.

Several countries — including the U.K., France, Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece — are in the midst of severe debt crises. The euro is on the verge of disintegration. And it’s likely the EU charter will be re-examined and changed. The central bankers will blame European countries and their “insistence” on maintaining sovereign control over their finances for the failure of the EU. But, ultimately, sovereignty is not what strangles the EU. Instead, the ridiculous supranational status that is entirely misapplied has created a state of interdependency that has weakened every member nation to the point of disaster.

It should be painfully clear to anyone considering socialism as a viable option for America that this kind of system requires fiscal discipline and a vast amount of savings. Notice I say “savings” and not “money.” Money is a carnival ride — an illusion of wealth that can be printed from thin air. Savings is an actual concrete storage of real capital, an ongoing surplus of manufacturing and production capability resulting in the stockpiling of working credit and ample employment. Most of the countries of the EU do not have such savings and never did. In fact, most European countries have operated for decades on a loss. They have never been able to live with the direct and indirect investments of outside players. Because of this, EU countries are utterly unable to keep up with the grand concepts of socialism, and have buried themselves under the crushing debts generated by entitlement programs.

The United States is no different.

Forget Universal Healthcare, The U.S. Is Bust

There has been a pervasive delusion among pro-socialism movements in the United States that we are the “richest country in the world.” They claim it is “absurd” that the establishment system does not pay for our healthcare with such riches at its disposal. They consistently rant about Canadian healthcare and its record of universal treatment. The problem is they ignore the details.

Canada, a country of about 34 million people, has a national debt of about $1.1 trillion. The United States, a country of about 313 million people, has a national debt of about $15 trillion. The two countries are entirely different. To clamor for a Canadian-style healthcare program for a country with completely opposite economic parameters is idiocy, lunacy or both.

Officially, our economy has already broken the 100 percent debt-to-GDP threshold. Unofficially, but more accurately, the U.S. national debt exceeds $120 trillion.

This number accounts not only for public debt, but “intragovernmental” debt and “implicit” debt, meaning the debt obligations the government has committed to for the near future.

I would also like to quickly note that mainstream economists were predicting in 2011 that the United States would reach 101 percent of GDP by 2021. Just one year later, we have already crossed the 101 percent marker.

Add to this the projected costs of Obamacare ($17 trillion in estimated long-term unfunded obligations), and what you get is a broke country.

The only factor which has stayed the tide of a full-blown macro-implosion of the United States is the world reserve status of our currency. The dollar is all we have left. Period. But don’t count on that for much longer either. With multiple nations, including China and Japan (our largest foreign debt holders), quietly forming bilateral trade agreements that cut out the use of the greenback, it will not be long before its world reserve status disappears as well. When that happens, we are on our own. The private Federal Reserve can print all it wants; but if other countries no longer need dollars to facilitate cross border trade, then what we will get is hyperinflation, or stagflation. Obamacare only expedites this process by generating even more liabilities we cannot cover, thereby giving the central bank even more excuse to churn out dollars with wild abandon.

To put it plainly, all those people who believe America is the “richest country in the world” are living in la-la land. We are broke. Bust. In the red. In the hole. Insolvent. And we can’t all move back in with our parents like so many Obamacare proponents I have met.

Go Ahead, Try To Enforce Obamacare

We have no money. Therefore, the debate over universal socialized medicine is ultimately pointless. It is mathematically and economically impossible to implement. What the Supreme Court says on the subject of socialization certainly matters in terms of principle, and they have failed Americans spectacularly in every respect. But, in terms of finance, the Supreme Court’s shocking decision means nothing.

One of Ron Paul’s primary arguments against the ongoing wars in the Mideast is that whether one agrees with these conflicts is irrelevant. The United States does not have the means to fund them. Eventually, we will break the bank and the dollar to maintain our presence in the region, and thus, the wars will end one way or another. The same philosophy goes for Obamacare and every other socializing program presented in America.

They will say that taxation will cover the costs, but how do you raise taxes on a populace that is growing more destitute every year? How do you take money from people if they do not have it? This tactic doesn’t seem to be working very well for Europe. Also, keep in mind that as population and inflation grow exponentially, so will costs. The taxation will have to expand as fast or faster than the expenditures. This is why so many opponents of Obamacare voice concerns over population reduction programs and rejected care; they are an inevitable end result. When you institutionalize health and life under the auspices of bureaucracy, you must also invariably institutionalize death. Population and life suddenly become a numbers issue to the state, rather than a moral issue.

They will say that the penalties to those who refuse to participate will cover the costs of the rest. Again, how to you take money from people who do not have it? What if millions of people simply refuse to participate and refuse to pay penalties?

They will say “tax the corporations,” and we could. But, as the derivatives crisis has proven, most major corporations in the United States are on the government take just to survive. We cannot have corporate bailouts and increased corporate taxation at the same time. The bailouts would have to end, the companies would collapse and we would be right back where we started. Just like our government, most corporations also operate on false wealth. They will not be paying for Obamacare anytime soon.

They will say that it is all for the greater good, but since when has the establishment been qualified to define what the “greater good” is? Is Obamacare really a matter of conscience? Or is it a farce flaunted about as if it is a matter of conscience?

They will say that people must be forced to do what is right for the group. I say such hubris has always led to catastrophe. Usually, the select beneficiaries of tyrannical cultures call for the might of the central government to be wrought upon the rest of the citizenry — not to do right by conscience, but to satiate their desire for control. Men love government as long as it is imposing their particular worldview, and as long as the tables never turn.

They will say that current medical practices and costs are terrible and something must be done. I agree. However, Obamacare is not the answer.

Principles and existentialist debates aside, the primary question remains: Where is a realistic plan to pay for this monstrosity of a program? I have yet to see a single grounded solution to the quandary. How does one pay for something he will never be able to afford? If there are no means, there will be no Obamacare.

–Brandon Smith

Brandon Smith

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  • Doug

    Those people in that picture waving their signs supporting obamacare are in for a rude awakening. Lastweek on FoxNews, Sarah Palin said these people think they are going to get a free ride with obamacare, but they are going to find out it is not going to work like that.

    • TIME

      Dear Doug,

      They are called – “USEFUL IDIOTS!” Or – “Worthless Eaters”
      And thats all very good reason!
      Just look at what History has turned out from the aid of these mindless sheep over the last 5000 years.

      Oh wait, nothing has ever changed, they get a tad of freedom – then they toss it away like some old stinky socks!

      Peace and Love

      • former walmart person

        Useless eaters play their part, sure, but being mad at them is akin to being mad at the stupid teenage girl who gets brutally anal raped. Its maybe 5% her fault for walking down the dark alley showing lots of skin, but where is the outrage at the vile rapist? Some people are duped into believing the mainstream media. Its easy to operate off of an assumption that people are telling you the truth rather than lying. Think about it, society wouldn’t function at all if you assummed everyone was lying to you. How the heck would you get anything done? The sad truth is though that the mainstream media is pretty much nothing but lies….

        For that matter, if you are mad at the useless eaters you should also be mad at the cowardly patriots. Such patriots know what is going on but choose to fight tyranny by going sign waving every 6 months instead of engaging in hard core civil disobedience and risking imprisonment or death. Such patriots will beg for someone else to grab the wheel when in rough seas. Where is your rage at the ball-less patriots out there?

      • cawmun cents

        So much for being college edumacated,and sedated.I guess that learning about capitalism in a junior college,doesnt beat being brainwashed into a socialist in a major university.
        Oh well….you get what you have your gubment pay for I suppose.
        Signed Receive A.Grant… uh,Carry A.Grudge.

      • Jazzabelle

        Thanks, walmart. I needed to hear that perspective this morning.

      • TIME

        Dear FWP,

        I am not mad at anyone, I just pointed out what the people are that are in the picture posted, well that extends to really well over 60% of the Population.

        On a differant note, { a young girl should be able to walk anywhere and wear anyting with out fear of Rape.}
        But I think I understand your point.

        Peace and Love

      • Steve L.

        your exagerations are as silly as your then peace and love

      • Karolyn

        TIME – I cannot understand the incongruity of you closing with “Peace and Love” while cakkg people “useful idiots.”

      • Michael J.

        Former walmart person,
        Balless Patriots? OWS’ers are drug addicted fools, that have been promised a free ride in exchange for protesting. Tea Partiers pay for the cop cars they crap on.

        Tea Partiers are well aware of the dangers and are exhibiting reserve, silence does not equal consent or surrender.

      • mnyshrpknvs

        The 5% at fault that former walmart person speaks of doesn’t count in this matter, as they are completely at fault for voting the guy in in the first place. They are the Ominions, as I like to refer to them as. And even though many have fallen away from their father, the ones standing by him now after all he has done to this country are dangerously loyal.

    • Flashy

      Interesting you cite FOX McNews and Palin. First, study after study show the folks relying on McNews are the most uninformed and less knowledgable. Second, Palin is an overhyped bimbo who is a quitter and has so much make up caked on she couldn’t get a date if she was the only female at a stag convention. That and her IQ is remarkable…for not having one.

      Be that as it may, the author does have it correct…capitalism is not the problem nor the danger facing this nation today. That would be corporatism. Socialism we aren’t even close to, and likely never will attain. It also has the same dangers and problems which we now suffer from with the corporatism system pushed upon us by the Far Right and their robotic mindless supporters.

      We are busted…busted by the policies and war on the Middle Class initiated by Reagan and carried forth since his evil hand descended upon us. Those “successful’ policies he began, and which have been carried out since, were subsidized and benefited one class, and one system. The wealthy elite and Big Corporations. we began to fight back and take back this nation under Clinton…then Bush II/Cheney and the robotic minions of the Far right, TP and American Taliban knifed us in the back.

      Think otherwise? State the counter…if there is any. national debt skyrocketed, government serviced the corporate and the elite, two earner families became a must not an option. Our education system became federalized and control taken from the community, police became not ones who protect but instead ones who control. Budget cuts, when they were announced affected only the poor and Middle Class (in reality it was a shuffle to create more subsidies and increase the welfare to the rich).

      Nowm the war is being carried back at those entrenched interests that busted this nation, placed its security ion a grave position, and impoverished the Middle Class. And they don’t like the rebellion. So they send out the messages, have 27 billionaires finance the opposition in the elections, and program the mindless that what is good for them, is bad. They label it evil, call it names which the mindless don’t understand, and demonize any and all who dare rise up and fight for America.

      • Eileen

        Can always sniff out a lefty, they are always the drones who leave hate filled vitriolic messages because that’s all they’ve been indoctrinated in from hate filled vitriolic government school teachers and professors!

      • Flashy

        Hate? look to the Far Right, the TPers, the American Taliban. They require the TP Trilogy of hate, fear and ignorance to justify their existence.

        Workable rational solutions to problems, reality based analysis? those come from the Moderates and Progressives on this site. Far fetched, wild wacky and unrealistic rantings of nothingness..which, if carried out, would lead to placing this nation in danger if not risk it’s very existence? just turn to a TPer, a Far Right winger, or a member of the American Taliban .. oft times all can be found in one person on this site.

      • Jim

        Comparing the Tea Party Patriots with the Taliban??? Di you learn that vitriol in your “How to sound like a complete idiot 101?” class in junior high school? Come on. REALLY??? People who want to limit the size of government, keep a lid on taxation, protect and abide by the constitution, and maintain freedom are akin to terrorists???

        You MUST be either kidding or completely ignorant of the mess this president is making of our country. He ought to change his name to Oblunder.

      • Thomas Gunn

        You are deeply mistaken

        The United States has been SOCIALIST, since our monetary system was perverted by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 (that satisfying one of the 10 planks of Marx’s Communist Manifesto). The US in fact satisfies all of the rest of the 10 planks in various forms. The US IS ALREADY, and has been Socialist for some time. The ills that this country is experiencing; are NOT a consequence of free market dynamics (since we don’t operate in a free market); but are a direct consequence of the distortions caused by a CONTROLLED economy; and a fiat monetary system that uses artificially engineered inflation (in order to pervert the natural forces of supply and demand); and unfair taxation on individual assets and labor (in order to impoverish the productive working class and eradicate real property rights). Individual property rights in this country have essentially been wiped out. The false notion that US is capitalist, or has been capitalist at any time during the past 100 years; is simply nonsense. America has been systematically and incrementally Socialized; starting with Wilson, “amped up” by FDR, and right on through to the present charlatan occupying the White House and imposing the agenda of his Collectivist Handlers on us AGAINST OUR WILL. They have clandestinely forced Socialism upon us even before the current generations were born, and then spent our entire lives indoctrinating us into believing that it is Free Market Capitalism that is practiced here. It is NOT. For the past century; we have been subject to “false-flag” capitalism; by the left; as a means to discredit and forever destroy what free-market economics is truly about. The America that our founders created ended in a coup, in 1913; when Woodrow Wilson signed our National Sovereignty away to a small group of obscenely rich international bankers; whose descendents today control the Fed, and all of the major banks that occupy its board of governors. Our government, is nothing but a puppet government, there to keep the citizenry subdued and entertained; while continuing to do the bidding of their handlers at the European Bank of International Settlements. Everything we see today as “an issue” is just noise. Even Obamacare is little more than a distraction; from the reality that we are living under a Tyranny, and have been for decades.

        • Katrael

          Thomas Gunn, I know I couldn’t have written it any better than you did. I’d like to add this: most people don’t see 1913 as being an important date but several things happened then that people don’t understand that laid the groundwork to dump the constitution as our leading body of law. The first was the reincorporation of Washington DC by the same bankers who bought out the assets of our government, who was broke and pushed into the corner. The bankers now had a more direct control of the government through this action. The second was the income tax amendment and the third and most deadly blow to our system was the passing of the seventeenth amendment which removed the appointment of senators from the states and put those appointments directly into the hands of the an ignorant population. The States lost any say in Washington politics because of this. Now it was a matter of just “buying” the people”. I believe that the bankers believed it would be easier to control an ignorant mass of people who were receiving all kind of benefits from their friendly government than it would be to control men of power from the states. Just human nature that you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. At least most people won’t.

      • chester

        Thomas Gunn, you SAY we live in a controlled economy. If so, what in the world makes you think it is the GOVERNMENT? From what I can see, a lot of corporations are making a lot more money off all our problems than the government is. Actually, who do you think is setting on all these profits that all these companies have been pulling in? It sure isn’t uncle, let them scream what they will. Why spend money to make money when money comes crawling to you begging to be taken?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Thomas Gunn, you SAY we live in a controlled economy. If so, what in the world makes you think it is the GOVERNMENT? From what I can see, a lot of corporations are making a lot more money off all our problems than the government is.”

        it is the government and the mega-corporations working together. Neither can do it on its own but when they conspire together almost anything is possible. Mega-corp works with government to stifle competition from innovative more efficient smaller companies.

        • Jim

          Here we go… the “EVIL” Corporations that make profits for… shareholders (= those of use with money in a 401k plan and similar). The difference is that when the evil corporations earn a profit, then I get money in my 401k; when the government takes money, I lose money (taxes).

      • kevin


      • Flashy

        Jim..I stated the American Taliban…i.e. the fundamentalist christian fanatics who insist we have to live as they dictate according to their religious sects callings. And yes, oft times a TPer is a member of the American Taliban, and oft times is a far Right Wing fanatic. Just look what some of the state laws recently passed and rammed through over popular protest and you will see the evidence.

        As for corporate control…absolutely it is growing and a danger to our freedoms. Without doubt. And anyone who thinks Big Corporate America and the elite wealthy are friendly to the Middle Class…is a complete and utter fool…

      • Karolyn

        Eileen – “Hate-filled vitriol?” Where?

      • Michael J.

        5 trillion spent in 3 1/2 years! Maybe that’s what he means by “Forward”.
        And Reagan? At least he was born in this country, and his mother wasn’t a pornstar wannabe.
        Is it true that Frank Mashall Davis’s son has a lifetime membership in Chicago’s “Man Country”?

        What’s there to be proud of? Leaders are suppose to be role models, but his wife and children are just props to maintain the illusion of normalcy. Clinton made a mockery of the office of the Presidency with pizza deliveries, cigars used for penetration, stained blue dresses and the joke heard round the world about the oral office. Reagan was known as “The Great Communicator” and faced down the Russians.

        Ronald Reagan knew Obama, and he knew you too Flashy. He spoke about you and warned us about you often. While I draw breath no one will undermine his legacy of contributions to the cause of freedom and free will.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “First, study after study show the folks relying on McNews are the most uninformed and less knowledgable.”

        Since you have no credibility and have repeatedly been proven a lier provide your sources for the “study after study”

      • JeffH

        Buster :)

      • http://Facebook Michael Morris

        Well stated Flashy. Eileen, maybe if you made decisions with your brain rather than your nose you might learn some truth. I continue to hear those on the right give their two cents (and it’s worth two cents) about Obama care and how we are going to become a socialistic society, but I never hear anything about the effects both wars have had on our economy. I never hear about the surplus of money given to tax payers at $300.00 a pop, by the last president. I never hear about the unfair amount of contracted jobs given to Haliburton (Dick Chaney has ties to this corporation) and few other contractors, by the last administration. I hate to say it, but there are a lot of baby boomers coming into retirement who are entitled to their benefits. We have paid into Social Security ( mandated by our government) all of our working lives and if you want to call that socialistic, so be it Who is to blame for dipping into the cookie jar and using the surplus earmarked for retiring seniors and those who are disabled? The right wing need to pull their collective heads out of their butts and see to it that it is time for everyone to pay their fair share of tax’s, not just the middle class

      • phideaux

        ” I continue to hear those on the right give their two cents (and it’s worth two cents) about Obama care and how we are going to become a socialistic society, but I never hear anything about the effects both wars have had on our economy. I never hear about the surplus of money given to tax payers at $300.00 a pop, by the last president.”

        Since you “have never heard anything about the effects both wars have had on our economy” It is logical to conclude either you are deaf and blind or this is your first visit to this site. Many posters (and most are not the liberal loonies like Flashy and yourself) have commented on the negative effects of the wars.

        Where is my $300.00?

      • http://Facebook Michael Morris

        Phideaux: You are correct about one thing, this is the first time I have visited this site. However, you are wrong about the rest. I don’t consider myself a liberal loonie nor do the people who actually know me believe this to be factual. I am a man who was wounded in Vietnam and lost a kidney and spleen serving this country. I lost my brother outside of Quang tri Providence while serving in the same war. I think I’m entitled to my opinion without someone (who would only call me names without facing me) or do you think only you should have the right of free speech? I no longer can work because my injuries have taken their toll. Should I sit hear and read how I am a beggar who is a parasite on our government without taking offence? I worked all of my life paying in to Social Security and I was fully vested in my pension until the Corporation i worked 28 years for filed bankruptcy and now I will receive less than 25% of what is owed to me. So lets see, I have had my pension taken away and I hear that I’m a worthless piece of s–t because I need the money I’m entitled to from our government..You do what i’ve done and you have my blessing to call me any name you wish

      • http://Facebook Michael Morris

        Phideaux: I’m sorry I didn’t answer your question, :where’s my $300.00? I don’t know what you did with your Stimulus refund that G.W. Bush desperately pissed away because he needed to do something to try and stop an economy that was spinning completely out of control because of his worthless leadership. Maybe you put a down payment on a weapon to stop liberal loonies from their right to free speech

      • http://none Claire

        Karolyn–there is hate on both sides of the political spectrum.

      • alex

        i guess you don’t need a lot of intelligence to use a lot of words

      • tiredofbums

        Young people today have benn indoctrinated by Secular Humanism. The secular Humanists have invaded our schools and universities. These children have no future as Secular Humanists. I invite you to read the “Secular Humanist Manifesto II” Just type in search and your eyes may be opened just a little bit more as to why america is slowing becoming a socialist state. We have an obligation to stop this madness.

      • carrobin

        Flashy actually sums it up very well. All the folks howling and whining about “people who do nothing but want everything handed to them” somehow are missing the fact that the corporate overlords are the ones who are helping themselves–to our government. (The idea of Obamacare being socialist is ludicrous–and besides, what we need is Medicare for everyone, if we want to ever solve the nation-threatening problem of skyrocketing medical costs.)

      • phideaux

        Michael Morris when you agree with flashy and post comments that sound like they could have been written by him it is logical to conclude you are like flashy.

      • http://yahoo George

        How did you get this misinformed ‘ ; illiterate ‘ , ignorant ‘ , and stupid ‘ , in just one lifetime ?

      • trw

        you blame reagan and bush and praise clinton but clinton was the one who signed nafta which let our jobs go overseas and clinton refused to drill in alaska which we would not see 3.40 cent gas now and as far as health care they should take the insurance companys out of the picture and let people pay their family doctor a monthly fee to be put in a fund for health care then when you go to the hospitol just pay a 20.00 office call and the fund could take care of all other issues a hospitol should be a hospitol and not gift shops and ect. that has nothing to do with your health care

      • Ted Zusman

        Say what you will about Regan, he created 1 million jobs in one month with his policies. Obama has spent more in 3 years than any president in our history. He’s creating 70 to 80 thousand jobs a month. Keep blaming Republicans for that. Doesn’t work. Obama has lied and lied and lied again. Transparent? Cutting defecit in half in first term? Obamacare allowing people to keep the insurance they are happy with and reducing costs and defecit? Not!!!! Lies over and over again. EPA putting businesses out of business, coal industry. Green Energy, spending huge sums of tax payer dollars on speculation. Solyndra, with several others that are about to go chapter 11. Keystone pipeline, he refused. National Labor relations board not allowing Boeing to build plant in right to work state. You’re worried about corporations, what about unions? Breaking the bank everywhere. Obama said he’d put the health care negotiations on Cspan. What a joke, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid did it behind closed doors, then Nancy had the nerve to announce, “we have to pass the bill to know what is in it”. That makes sense. What if the contents are bad? They are, I have a medical background. As illustrated above, Obama has done nothing to create jobs, he’s doing a great job of creating dependency on government, a broke government. These are the people you defend, you don’t have a leg to stand on. If Obama gets another 4 years, you’ll have nobody to blame but yourself. He has no idea how to create jobs.

        • needfulthings

          Well Ted … do ya know what year and how ronnie star wars ray gun created 1 million jobs (if he really did) in a year ? Bye the bye Carter left office unemployment was around 7.5% . That first year ray gun cut taxes for the wealthy the economy took a dive we ended up with 10% unemployeed and Yes it took ray gun raising taxes ( he holds the record for piece time tax increases) to kick start the economy again, ray gun also holds the record for the largest increase in the US deficit spending nearly 300% from 800 million to aprox 3.2 TRILLION! What could Obama do if he took dubya’s 6 / Trillion added that to all thee other republican presidents defict spending , thats around 11 / 12 trillion deficit and TRIPPLED IT? Let me see 33 Trillion bucks Obama should be able to hire everyone twice over !

          Back to ray guns job creation He gave over 3 Million illegal Immigrants amnesty, most were working so they got included in ray guns job creation of 14/15 million in 8 years Plus we ALL were coming out of a Global recession created by a CON-trived oil shortage … ALL countries economies doubled / trippled after that ALL (not just ray-gun)

          I liked ray gun but the myth is hard to take, I like reality !

        • Jim

          Well stated. I agree. He has to go. He is ruining our country!

          If Oblundercare is so good, then why is nearly 60% of the country opposed to it? Is most of the country incapable of figuring out what they don’t like and need a liberal/socialist president to tell us what we need because we are too stupid to figure it out?

          If it was so popular, then why was it shoved down our throats before it was even read by the crooks who passed it? If it is so good, then why id we have to pass it “so we can see what’s in it?”

          It’s horrible, just like the present occupier of the White House, who disregards the constitution and disrespects his office and the people he is supposed to represent. He has to be fired in November. Didn’t he say when he was elected that if he didn’t turn the economy around, that he would not seek re-election and would be a one term president? He apparently lied about that too, so it is up to us to kick him out.

    • Steve L.

      That is to say, only a Nation filled with pathetic, overgrown children would actually need government to enforce mandatory charity: welfare, healthcare, etc. A truly healthy society supported by strong and self-sustainable individuals would not beg to be parented by government. If a country is so unbalanced as to stoop to socialism, then its ailments already extend far beyond anything government (even good government) could ever hope to cure.

      • vicki

        American private industry is awash in cash? Didn’t Michael Moore say that just recently?

        And while you are there enjoy the pleasure of making the rich pay more taxes.

      • Sherry

        Well the way I see it, it’s their money. They can sit on it if they want. You didn’t do anything to earn any of it, did you?

      • vicki

        I quite agree with you Sherry. I am just pointing out to the liberals that even if we were to take ALL of their money as hinted at by the VERY RICH M. Moore (I don’t see him leading by example btw) it would only pay the government excesses for a single year.

      • tiredofbums

        Industrialists have always run this country. Presidents come and go. You want the rich to pay? Why aren’t you rich? Something holding you back? You sound scared and angry. Learn to help yourself. If you want to put the blame on someone blame yourself. Don’t look to the media for answers. They tell you what the industrialists want you hear. They own the media. If they want to put clowns in office to further their agenda they will. Just look at the clown they control now. The secular Humanists are trying to take over this country. I invite you to read the Secular Humanist manifesto II on the internet. You will come to realize that ONE World government is their aim. They have already made great strides in our public schools and colleges. There is a great amount of evil working to end our soveriegnty. If you like what is going on Keep still. They like it when you keep still. You make a better target.

    • Purplewarrior

      Dug, Why Americans beat up on fellow Americans? The real people that should be beat CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE. Why you ask ? My rep does a good job. I like him or her. YOU FOOL.HERE ARE THE FACTS.
      The Congressional Research Service released a report to CONGRESS last month which shows that in 2010 the US handed out a total of $1.4 BILLION ,THAT’S BILLION WITH A B, to 16 foreign countries that held at least $10 BILLION in TREASURY SECURITIES. Did you see this report i didn’t. Did you hear it on local or world news? i didn’t. Could $1.4 BILLION HELP PAY FOR THE HEALTH CARE BILL? POSSIBLY. It’s not that the US don’t have the money, it’s that the US is GIVING MONEY AWAY. YOUR MONEY. Money that could pay for many things that our people need. Congress, both sides, is giving your money away to the very countries that wish our demise.

      Russia $71 million- Vetoes every bill the US brings before the United Nations.
      China $27.2 Million- A COMMUNIST POLICE STATE that has forced ABORTION.
      Mexico $316.7 Million- Soon to be the next DRUG STATE filled with POLITICAL
      Egypt $255.7 Million- Just elected the Muslim Brotherhood. SWORN ENEMY OF ISRAEL
      THE US.
      Colombia $461.2 Million- Largest exporter of NARCOTICS IN THE WESTERN
      Your Congressional SENATE AND HOUSE Representative doesn’t care about the American People only in what preserves there power. Keep the American people fighting among them selves and we on the hill will rob them blind.Many other countries receive MILLIONS in your money.

      The Philippines $126 Million- Do you know what they do with our money/ I don’t.
      Brazil $25 Million – This must be a COVER CHARGE, like when you enter a NIGHT CLUB,
      mabe the US must pay this to enter the country.
      Thailand $16.75 Million
      Turkey $8.2 Million

      This is just a few countries that the US pays DRAFT to. People stop fighting among your self. The real problems in this country is GENERATED BY CONGRESS.
      Thy come in making low 6 figure salaries and leave as millionaires.


      These are the words of

    • moonbeam

      I have a friend who thinks this same BS. He says “It’s FREE healthcare for EVERYBODY!”

      I keep telling him it’s NOT free! SOMEBODY has to pay for it. Doctors and nurses are not FREE, medicine is not FREE. He thinks the gov’t pays for it, but he forgets where the gov’t gets (steals) its money.

      In Florida, Gov. Scott says he will NOT be implementing the medicaid expansion of obooboo care and he is going to make damn sure only legal citizens vote.

      Obooboo sued Scott for purging the voter roles of illegal freaking aliens voting our races. Obooboo LOST. The court ruled that Florida has the right to remove from the roles those who are ineligible to vote.

      I am neither republican or democrat. I am a free thinking independent and I will be first in line to vote my conscience this November.

      • Jim


      • alex

        moonbeam, are you saying you have no principles that you just vote for the best sounding lie

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        If only everything was in black and white!

        Governor Scott was CEO of Columbia Health care when it defrauded the government, and perforce the public, of tens of billions of dollars and was fined $1.4 billion by the DoJ. As CEO Scott denied any knowledge of the fraud, which makes him either untruthful or incompetent!

        Scott himself possibly spent $70 million to get himself elected governor. Why do that? And now he refuses to implement expanded Medicaid for the PEOPLE whilst still having a strong investment in his wife’s health care company, having already initiated private health care vouchers for Florida prisoners. As some keep pointing out, ONLY liberals and progressives are criminal, duplicitous, idiotic, untrustworthy, misinformed and uncaring, thank goodness!

    • coal miner

      Palin should talk.The telegraph
      Sarah Palin’s family sought health care in Canada
      Sarah Palin has raised questions over her staunch criticism of state health care after the former Alaska governor admitted her own family used to “zoom” over the border to get treated in Canada’s hospitals.

      Sarah Palin will be reunited on the campaign trail with John McCain Photo: EPA
      By Tom Leonard in New York

      1:14AM GMT 10 Mar 2010
      The former Republican vice presidential candidate has been a frequent critic of big government and has lambasted Barack Obama’s health care reforms as ushering in socialised medicine, denouncing his plans as “downright evil”.

      But during a weekend speech in Calgary, she revealed that her family used medical care in Whitehorse, the capital of Canada’s Yukon Territory, decades ago.

      She also criticised the publicly funded system saying that it should be dismantled in favour of free enterprise.

      Mrs Palin, who moved as a child to the south-eastern Alaska town of Skagway, was speaking at an event sponsored by the Fraser Institute, a conservative Canadian think tank.

      However, she did acknowledge the irony of her comments.

      “Believe it or not – this was in the sixties – we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse,” she said.

      “I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing, and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse, and I think, ‘Isn’t that kind of ironic now’. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada.”

      Chuck Heath, Mrs Palin’s father, said they had had little choice but use the Canadian facilities given Skagway’s location.

      “There was no road out of there at that time. The ferry schedule was very erratic. We had no doctor in Skagway,” he said.

      “The plane schedule was very erratic. The winds dictated whether the planes could come in or not.”

      He said his family probably took the train to the Whitehorse hospital only twice – once when his son burned his leg and again when a daughter had rheumatic fever.

      Mr Heath also stressed that they had “much preferred” to use US medical facilities as his insurance did not cover any treatment in Whitehorse.

      • Dennis48e

        So it is somehow Sarah Palin’s fault her father sought health care in Canada.

        • Jim

          I submit that in an emergency, anyone would go to the closet hospital. In their case it was in Canada…

    • http://Facebook Michael Morris

      Doug: I would take advise from my 6 year old great grand child before I would listen to Sara Palin. She is a good example of a person who quits in the middle of something or someone to better herself.

      • Don

        Sounds like the liberals are getting in a frenzy again over Palin, they must be worried again because someone tells the truth, why don’t you pigs move out if you hate this country so much ?????

      • http://yahoo bob peters

        You voted for Obama! That in itself shows your mental illness!

    • http://personalliberty Terri

      i agree/everyone thinks it will be like Canada or europe universal healthcare. it will not be. We will be required to carry insurance or be fined. (so more money we have to pay) and there will be a deductible and coins. So there will be money out of pocket that these people will have to pay and if you do not pay the providers can take you to court and garnish your wages until paid in full only a few states do not allow garnishments for medical bills. If you have a 500.00 ded and then the insurance company pays 80% you will have to pay 20% of allowable charges and not all charges will be covered/ What a RUDE awakening people will get who support this and if their company does not offer medical insurance for their employees they will be fined 2000.00 per person. For the company i work for it will be cheaper to not offer insurance since they pay more than 2000.00 per year per person..This is a MESS and should be recalled.

      • http://personalliberty Terri

        just a follow up. in addition to the coins and ded the insurance you will be required to carry will also need to be paid as well. Just another bill. Can the ones who cannot afford to have insurance afford the premiums, ded, and coins that will be required as well

    • ehawkeye10

      II Thessalonians 2:12, “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

      The smart way to prevent The Doomsday Factor To Industrial Economics Threatening America is to face the national danger, immediately pass the Onmi Law and with sound economic principles restored to national power instantly, crisis is over! But to hide our heads in the sands hoping it will disappear by itself, that just won’t happen folks! If you don’t care, why should God care? If you love evil leadership and evil government, God is not going to help yourself according to the Bible until you put God-approved leaders in national power. The Old Testament plainly stated if a nation will put a righteous leader in the eyes of God into national power or plural of leaders also applies, God will postpone judgment on that nation until the righteous leader is out of power. And if the nation repents of its evil before God before the righteous leader is out of power, then God will forgive that nation and not submit it to the judgment and wrath of God for disgusting evil in its actions and national character stinking before God.
      A quick summary of the Omni Law can be the following simplified explanation. This puts a legal oversight committee over the U.S. Republic of 10 labelled American Civil Tribunes modeled after the ancient Roman Civil Tribunes who kept the Roman Republic basically free of tyranny and corruption towards its Roman citizens for hundreds of years. The tribune position had to be subverted, undermined, and then Rome could return to the corrupt version of republic that Wash., D.C. loves to be today in 2012. For example. under Agenda 21 Obama and Democratic Party associates are trying to sneak over the American people, Obama and allies want to give away 50% of all the land of America to the United Nations under the front of fighting global warming and environmentalism and maybe all Americans in America lose their homes as they are herded off to huge settlement cities which would be glorified anthills to live in for the rest of their lives. Businesses lose most or all their buildings and properties and America becomes one glorified super Communist police state where the state owns everything, the people own nothing, and the people work for lower wages than any other form of capitalism as the state really owns everything of value in America and regulate the hell out of the rest of it making mockery of the concept of private ownership of business in America. We pass the Omni Law and the 10 American Civil Tribunes in disgust at the Agenda 21 of Obama and covert Communists in the Democratic Party immediately put Agenda 21 to national referendum. After the massive national vote against Agenda 21 by national referendum of the American people, Agenda 21 disappears into thin air and is never tried to be passed into law through the U.S. Congress again as they know, the 10 American Civil Tribunes who are the legal sword of protection for the American people will never let such an outrageous proposed national law ever be passed in America after the American people have plaintly spoken by national law to create binding national laws and policies on any issue presented them by the 10 American Civil Tribunes.

      The following is quoted from an email from Erasmus of America answering some questions on the Omni Law asked by a person wanting to know how strong the Omni Law would be to stop corruption and treason in Wash., D.C. Quoting now:
      “Answers to your questions. The first round of 10 American Civil Tribunes would be appointed by the National Institute For Inventors which is ultra-conservative in stands and contacts. 10 strong critics of federal corruption, treason, etc. would be the first 10 Civil Tribunes appoined by NIFI. They will write up and submit for national referendum how to elect future Civil Tribunes in national elections controlled by the people and not corrupt interests in Wash., D.C. After the first round of Civil Tribunes, it will be up to the American people to continue electing honorable persons highly dedicated to America for this post every 4 years. The type honest person elected to this post should be contrary to the type who could be bribed or try to blackmail people, etc. It would be best that these 10 elected not run on any party ticket, but independents. We won’t let the cat out of the bag yet, but they won’t need a fortune to run for this position which will block corrupt interests from controlling them. We have a much cheaper way to get their positions and stands out than vast fortune campaigns today. And an airtight system how any legal American citizen may run for this position, but would have to have an elimination process so a limited number of candidates are submitted to the people for the final election every 4 years. Their legal power will be the same basic type as established by legal precedent of Roman law when the Roman Civil Tribunes protected the Roman people from legal tyranny. They can call for national referendums to bypass a corrupt or irresponsible Congress to establish new laws and policies for America. They can suspend proposed laws to be voted for by the U.S. Senate by stating before the U.S. Senate “I Veto” which is the formula they used under Roman law to cancel would-be laws intended to be tyranny against Roman citizens. Any criminal trial they judge is a legal frame-up, they can issue the legal words “I Veto” and the trial is over. They can order the release from prison of those they judge were falsely convicted under law. They can order arrests and hold for trial by jury for high treason officials or employees of the federal government. This would be under tribune copied Roman law. The judgment of acquital or else conviction would be swift and final and no further appeal under law. This scared the “hell” out of would-be dictators, etc. and all officials were forced to behave themselves under law until the Roman Civil Tribunes were undermined and destroyed under law. Civil Tribunes could only be ordered arrested by authority of other Civil Tribunes. If anyone tried to kill or harm a Civil Tribune while in office, the Roman people had the authority to instantly kill the would-be murderers the same day as murder was attempted as that would be intended to remove the Civil Tribunes as the legal sword of protection for the Roman people under the Roman Republic. Even James Madison, father of the U.S. Constitution, praised the Roman people for having civil tribunes to protect their legal rights under the Roman Republic. There is more but this is the core of what it means to copy the legal precedents of ancient Roman Civil Tribune law. Today with liberal schemers in Wash., D.C. trying to set up Agenda 21 to confiscate 50% of American land to legal title to the UN, the civil tribunes would call a national referendum and outlaw Agenda 21 as of that moment so the American people never lose 50% of all their land in America to traitors in Wash., D.C. who must hate America to want to give away to foreigners 50% of all the land now composing the 50 states of America. Enough said for now! Erasmus of America July 5, 2012 P.S. Look up Agenda 21 in search engines as a number of websites carry extensive references how Obama wants to give away 50% of American land to the United Nations and likely all owners of homes in America are kicked out by federal agents or soldiers and shipped off to the super Communist concentration camps called resettlement cities where all the ants, former Americans, live together in their super ant hills!
      “If we don’t restore minerals and trace elements to the soil that grows our food, we’ll see a plague of degenerate diseases by the end of the century.” Dr. George Earp-Thomas, medical research scientist (1948). He provoked the legal wrath of Wash., D.C. in the late 1930′s when he cured people of cancer by feeding them food raised with all the nutrition in it that nature had intended for that food for human good health. In fact, it was reported that Wash., D.C. burned down his lab to put him out of business in research work on cancer. They had already boasted they would find a way to bankrupt him and put him out of business in cancer research. When Dr. Max Gerson fled Austria due to the Nazis and came to America to continue his research work on curing people of deadly ailments by correct diet, he was treated as an archcriminal by Wash., D.C. for wanting to cure cancer patients by correct diet. In Switzerland, he had cured nearly 100% of TB patients by diet alone and had done this with hundreds of patients at a Swiss hospital. When he wanted to work with cancer patients in America with the same approach as had created the highest cure rate against TB as ever seen in medical history, he also met the legal wrath of Wash., D.C. for daring to want to cure cancer patients by diet alone. In the end, he was allowed to work with officially terminal cancer patients already sent home to die by the medical field and of these, he had a high cure rate of terminal cancer patients. Some of these later testified before a Congressional committee to allow Dr. Max Gerson to work with all cancer patients, not just the terminal cancer patients, but the members of Congress already bought and paid for by powerful interests never lifted a finger to give him legal authority to work with non-terminal cancer patients.
      Dr. Lorraine Day on TBN in 2007 released the official medical figures indicating that cancer was growing so fast among the American people that by 2020 100% of all Americans were medically predicted would have cancer or had had cancer by 2020 which is just 8 years ahead in our future. I give these medical examples to show that Wash., D.C. is totally corrupt and cares nothing about the American people at all. The game in Wash., D.C. is ego, money, perverted sex, power, drugs, parties, cons on the American people where they laugh at the American people dumb enough to believe everything they tell the American people, cooperation of the morally corrupt and dishonest national media covering all they can for all the corruption and high treason going on in Wash., D.C. in the high power circles of Wash., D.C. When I cured by natural means different forms of cancer in my body maybe12 years ago or earlier, Wash., D.C. threatened sources I was using to give people the same supplies I used to cure myself of cancer in my body. I got rid of a tumor on my arm in 4 days flat and left no scar! That provoked the wrath of Wash., D.C. I removed a large tumor on my face in 4 days and agan left no scar. This provoked the wrath of Wash., D.C. I cured advanced colon cancer in myself in 7 days flat with all the cancer passing out of my body on the 7th day and never had colon cancer return. This provoked the wrath of Wash., D.C. When I met the head of a cancer research foundation in America, he indicated the American medical field was not interested in cancer cures like these and Wash., D.C. would never allow such natural methods to cure cancer to become legal in America.
      Let me step powerfully on the toes of the power elite traitors in Wash., D.C. The secret to curing any ailment is correct the root cause of the ailment and not attack the symptoms of the ailments. The profits in corrupt national medicine is attack the symptoms, not the root cause of any ailment. My healing answers to cancer could be done for $100 or less. But to “fight” but not cure cancer can easily cost the federal government through Obamacare or other federal medical programs maybe $300,000 to $450,000 to “fight” but not cure cancer in you! Trace the money trail! The giant profits in medicine are to “fight” but not cure deadly threats like cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Among many evils in Obamacare is it would totally crush any natural cures for ailments in America and all your approved federal medical programs to try and “cure” you would all be witchdoctor medicine the same as Louis Pasteur had to fight in Europe when the medical doctors in France wanted him arrested and put into prison for daring to claim such things existed as germs and they caused all these terrible diseases of the world. America is like pre-Louis Pasture medicine, only while they admit to the existence of germs now, they still have numerous ways to wiggle around cures that so often work against diseases that will kill off huge numbers of mankind otherwise. As soon as we pass the Omni Law, one of our first proposed national laws for national referendum will be that the American people have the legal right to use any type medical treatment they think can cure them, not just those officially “approved” by Wash., D.C. which is colossally crooked and dishonest in national health issues and also agricultural issues affecting your health.
      To shoot down federal psychological warfare and propaganda that I am a fool and not that smart, my mother was once rated by I.Q. test to be the most brilliant child in American history up to her time and entered a state university without prior formal education after learning how to read and write from her grandmother. She was a child actress and had no time for formal schooling. My own I.Q. was once officially tested in Wash., D.C. and in shock they told me that I had scored an official I.Q. score of “beyond scientific measurement” and one of the two highest ever tested in Wash., D.C. While I personally believe that common sense properly used is a higher form of intelligence than official academic intelligence, I mention the above because they are too sold on the concept that only high academic I.Q. is genius. Well, Thomas Edison with a huge amount of common sense and only a few months of formal education in his life skyrocketed past the engineers of America with his thousand or so inventions he released in America. My mother was an academic genius and my father was a genius in common sense. I respect both forms of genius and I learned much in how to think from both my parents, not just one side. And to illustrate a deadly fallacy in American educational concepts today, if you take an idiot and educate him, what do you get? An educated idiot. I am forced to say that when formal education practices a hgh level of censorship of the truth and important answers so education can become brainwashing of the gullible instead of sound education of the bright in America. With sound education, the prior idiot or fool can be taught sound methods of thinking and potentially broken of having a miseducated or non-educated mind in reality. As some teachers have shown, even retarded children skillfully educated have passed in test results ordinary students taught by usual methods in school. The usual result if some teacher causes retarded children to skyrocket past in test results ordinary students, the teacher usually gets fired and blackballed from being allowed to be a teacher after that after being too successful in teaching her or his students how to soundly think and use their brains correctly. I spent most of my life in elite private schools and a little in public schools. Let me get control of American education and all students will get a super, quality sound education. They will learn how to think powerfully and soundly. And America will skyrocket with potentially almost the whole nation becoming brilliant to utter geniuses in comparison to before. They can defend their belief in God or atheism with brains, not as stupid brains who cannot think worth a hill of beans or make a credible defense for what they believe in to govern their lives. I even respect my critics or enemies if they do it intelligently. I just hate for stupidity to be passed off as intelligence. But usually with seriously intelligent people, I will win them over partially or else totally to my side. By the same token, if they raise a good enough point, I will give them credit and maybe the subject is more complex than a simple explanation at first glance. But with truly intelligent people, I find the common theme so much of the time that all of us are dedicated to the truth and in our discussions, we will find the real truths and both sides may end up with some different conclusions than started with on either side. I always respect even honest disagreement from intelligent people and we sharpen our minds both sides of debates over important issues.
      Fuel Economy Of The Gasoline Engine, edited by D. R. Blackmore and A. Thomas, A Halsted Press Book, shows tests by Shell Research Limited, Thornton Research Centre, Chester, United Kindgom. They tell how they got extremely high gas mileage on standard commercial cars. For example, a modified 1947 Studebaker achieved 149.95 mile/US gal. in the 1949 Wood River competition, a 1959 Fiat 600 achieved 244.35 mile/us gal. in the 1968 Wood River competition, and among others a modified 1959 Opel achieved 376.59 mile/us gallon in the 1973 Wood River competition. Under corrupt, treasonable Washington policy, federal sources made sure that America would never get even remotely high gas mileage on your cars like this. Only when my Omni Law is passed in 2012 and I intend to withdraw this proposed law from America if the American people do not care to save America now in 2012, I will through the Omni Law see that it is now legal under Washington law to start pushing up serious high gas mileage on American cars. Also, if oil countries try a new price war on oil to hurt the American economy, I will bring out a new answer on car fuel that can make oil obsolete to use on cars. In engineering school, they thought I was a genius in engineering and allowed me to do my engineering studies at one week of engineering studies every day and I kept an A average in engineering while doing this. Also, before he died, Charles Kettering who had once been head of reserach for General Motors and later President of General Motors reviewed 920 of my inventive concepts I had come up with in 2 weeks and he wrote that he rated me as potentially the most brilliant inventive genius that would ever rise in American history. He wrote among other things I had independently come up with the top secret guidance system for American ICBM’s. If Wash., D.C. had not savagely fought me everytime I wanted to establish a new industry for America, I would have likely given America up to 2,000 new industries in America and America would be such a colossal industrial giant now as would leave even China in amazed shock over how huge the American economy had become nearly overnight. The Omni Law will allow me to begin a great new industrial birth of America and skyrocket America into its greatest industrial age in history. Don’t defeat the passage of my Omni Law in 2012 because the American people refuse to fight to give the American economy a giant rebirh by passage of the Omni Law in 2012. And I will to help save mankind from the Doomsday Factor to Industrial Economics which threatens the survival of America now but also the entire world. If not passed in 2012, I may be forced to teach my industrial economics to another nation instead and they will wildly skrocket past America in that case. I don’t want to do this, but for moral reasons my hand will shortly be forced if the American people do not even care about their future as a nation and economy or not. My Omni Law Report (4 pages) can be seen and copied from Nesara News (June archive listing, 2012) and some of my other reports on economics also in the June listing or else the May listing. If stuck, email me and ask for a copy of the Omni Law Report from my national email address of . When the serious financial support comes in, I will have a national website to read key economic reports of mine and will have a staff to swiftly answer emails, but I had $525,000 stolen from me by Wash., D.C. so I would not have this staff to service the public at this time. When I asked the Obama Administration for return of my federally stolen $525,000, I had a federal murder attempt attempt on my life, so I got the message loud and clear from Obama that he does not want for me to show America my free enterprise answers that will skyrocket the American economy. I had been written up by a prestigious international organization as “The Einstein of American Economics” after I studied with six of the most brilliant economists of America and Europe including a German economist endorsed by Albert Einstein as teaching the only true economic science in the 20th century. I have this very new, expanded version of economic science heavily using engineering to skyrocket the economic growth of America or other nations or the whole world economy if they want to learn my tricks in economic science.
      The following economic warning from Bob Livingston is a valid warning of eminent economic disaster for America, but far worse for America than even Bob Livingston realizes. If too much hyperinflation hits America too fast and Obama who is incredibly dumb in national economics is still President when this hits, then the Industrial Doomsday Factor to Industrial Economics may be triggered off by moron level economic policies of Obama who understands nothing about national economics. In that case, America may crash into an economic collapse so total as to look like a science fiction horror movie and America end up with 90% to 99% of all the American people dead before it is over. Also, this could easily spread to all the world and maybe the world lucky if 5% of the human race survives the total crash of the world economy. Let me give the economically naive American people a powerful hint. We have a sophisticated division of labor only possible with an effective monetary system in power. Due to large city populations,we cannot survive on a barter system of economics. Try to survive on barter and in the end from 90% to 99% of the American people stand a good chance getting killed in the total economic collapse of America. Then Europe follows. Africa, Latin and Central America, and Asia including China, Japan, and India for example. Wash., D.C. is fanatically pushing today the key economic policy Karl Marx said to push as it would ultimately bankrupt America, the world, and then Communism takes over the world. For our naive leaders in Wash., D.C. who don’t know what Karl Marx told world Communism from Brussels, Belgium, pass the Omni Law and then I will tell you what policy we will stop by authority of the Omni Law and save the American economy from pending collapse and the world economy from pending collapse.
      Okay folks, read the following which is a deadly warning to the survival of America as a nation. Back fanatically my Omni Law. See everyone sees it and get all your friends, associates, churches, civic groups, etc . to aggressively back it. And financial backing is very welcome as the enemies of America are heavily financed to finish America off within America. My mailing address is NIFI, P.O. Box 1465, Seneca, SC 29679 . Make any checks, etc. out to NIFI and you can mark for Omni Law Drive as reference. Read my separate God-given right to survival report also listed with Nesara News to see how I plan to later pay you back by treating this money as loans and not contributions. and I will see you are well rewarded financially as Patriots of America. The other report tells how this works. Now read this report below as the end of this report. See that all of America sees this entire report on the Doomsday Factors to Industrial Economics and let us save America from pending economic disaster which could even occur before 2012 is over. Send this report out as emails and post to blogs all across America. Yours for God and Country of America, Erasmus of America (pen name for now. Will use my regular name when the time is right, but already I figure all Washington intelligence sources know quite clearly who I am. My trademark in intelligence reports was always, “spent eleven calendar years in military academies.” When alive, St. Padre Pio of Italy wrote me while I was a military cadet in military school, told me a great secret of mine no one knew, and indicated when the enemies of Christianity think they are about to finish America off and Christianity in the world, suddenly arise against them and smash them. This was the Will of God as God would not leave Christian civilization without a powerful defender when the enemies of Christianity are confident of wiping out Christianity once and for all in the world. He indicated I was supposed to found a cross-bearer movement of the dedicated Christians and we would be the beloved of Jesus Christ. I also received a similar message from other holy people of different branches of Christianity, but Padre Pio who bore the wounds of Christ on his hands and feet for 50 years and had daily stunning Miracles of God occur when he prayed in the name of Jesus for them stunned me with his message to me. Having been raised by a hardcore Protestant father and a Catholic convert mother, I understand both sides well and can help bridge differences so we can return to the Apostolic Constitution of first Christianity. Both Protestants and Catholics will be surprised to see how far all sides have drifted from the way first Christianity kept itself strong in the early Roman Empire. Separately, a man who predicted nearly my entire life correctly backed up what Padre Pio said, said I should strive to help Christians bridge their differences and reunify as much as possible under early Apostolic Christianity which all sides need more knowledge of in these days. And God gave me a gift in economics as I would electrify the people with my powerful results when they saw what I could do for America and other nations needing help in national and world economics. I am greatly disillustioned with all the evil and corruption in the leadership of Wash., D.C., but for the sake of the American people and others, I am willing to bail Wash., D.C. out of the economic mess its stupidity and fanaticism has trashed the American economy with. Pass my proposed Omni Law and I can bring out the 25 Bible principles of national economics that have all worked before in history with spectacular results. My pet Bible principle of national economics is Jesus Money which was the most spectacularly successful monetary system used in human history and 4 times in history wildly skyrocketed the affected economies into overnight super prosperity. Only the evil conspiracies of earlier bankers tricked the people out of Jesus Money and fast economic crash once the monetary system taught by Jesus Christ in the New Testament was overthrown by tricked stupidity of the gullible people falling for the propaganda lies of the early politicians hired by the bankers to overthrow Jesus Money in society. The bankers had to censor your history classes in your schools or else you would no longer have recessions or depressions or even poverty in society as virtually everyone got basically rich under Jesus Money. You see God will bless nations seriously loyal to God! But you want to trust evil leaders with national power over you instead of Christian leaders loyal to God, know how the Jesus Money system works, and as Jesus taught, are dedicated to being your servants instead of your masters as the evil want to be over you as they secretly hate the American people. The evil plot evil disasters for the American people because they secretly despise you. Christian leaders want to do good for you with economic policies, etc. Why do you want evil to rule over America instead of good leaders to guide you into sound economic pathways? The evil burn you with their results. The good bless you with their results! Pass the Omni Law. I was shocked when in April, 2012, I was given a stunning Miracle of God to show that God backs me to pass the Omni Law for America. When I shared this Miracle of God with a few friends of mine, they agreed that God gave me a stunning Miracle of God in April, 2012 to back my Omni Law drive. One of them suggesed either an angel of the Lord or else Jesus Christ did directly the stunning Miracle of God I needed to create the solid center foundation to my 25 Bible Economic Principles for America. When the Christians show me they are as militant for Christianity as the enemies of God are to destroy Christianity in America and the world, then I can release the 25 Bible Economic Principles of the Bible I am supposed to show America when the time is ripe. When the American people love the truths of God more than the lies and cons of Wash., D.C., I will show the American people the great economic secrets that will skyrocket the American economy. If the American people will allow me through the Omni Law, I intend to have America skyrocket pass China and again be the undisputed industrial leader of the world, but in ways that economically bless all nations that are friends with America and not its enemies. )

      • Johnnie

        How long have you had this personality disorder? Get help soon, the ACA will help you with subsidies if you are poor. You will feel better about yourself.

      • Don_in_DC

        Ouch, scary religious zealot.

        Say what you want on religion and how yours is ideal ehawkeye but it isn’t. Lot of people died in the name of your God, many didn’t deserve it.

        Keep the God out of government. You can elect all the religious people you want but I hope they can be smart enough to realize there is more than one religion here to protect. Remind them they need to protect me from you.

    • needfulthings

      Sarah Palin is brain dead, she knows nothing! THOSE people don’t think there getting something for nothing, they ARE willing to pay what they can to get health care, to stay alive, to stay working, to stay above ground . 30 million americans have zero health care , another 50 million have health care that has deductables that are equal to half their incomes, You people on the right offer NOTHING as a replacement, Palin the half governer even sighed into law her so called “DEATH PANEL” language for Alaskan’s and said and I quote “I didn’t know it was in there” ! again Plain is brain dead, A poor governor ,a worse parent ,( TWO grand kids out of wedlock so far) , a cheat’n wife and a basket ball groupy slut! Why wouldanyone have respect for that?

      • Katrael

        needfulthings, I’ll offer you something: eat healthy and stay out of the doctor’s office and the hospitals. That’s something isn’t it? The problem? The vast majority think they can treat their bodies like garbage cans and get away with it and they don’t want to take responsibility for their own actions. They want to blame everything and everybody else for their being sick.

        • needfulthings

          There many reasons for Illness / disease, Some you can thank your parents for, Some you can thank the environment for, Some can thank the smoke stacks a couple down the road for, Some you can thank whats in your water for, Some you can thank whats been allowed in our foods for, Some say their starting to see ILL effects from GMO foods (Europe has dis-allowed these in their country) Some don’t even have ready excess to fresh fruits and vegges in their city (detroit has NO super markets within the city ) you have’ta drive or take a bus to within one block of the city limits for that. Also All Vietnam Vets have Agent Orange in their Blood stream to this day which is KNOWN to cause DIABETES ( Over 4000 vets at the VA Hospital I volunteer at have Diabetes) plus their kids/grandkids are at risk, and of course thats their fault for serving ,The CHICKEN HAWKS were so much smarter than us Vets. (are you feeling me cheney & dubya ??????

          • Jim

            All you seem to want to do is blame everyone and everything else. The fact is that many, if not most of the health care problems in this country are brought upon people by themselves due to an unhealthy lifestyle. That is exactly the argument that is used by California (banning Happy Meals for kids) and most recently NYC (banning 32 oz soft drinks). The argument is that when people get unhealthy and sick due to eating too much fast food and not exercising, they become a financial burden on the healthcare industry, and more specifically our taxes. So they pass laws to (try to) force people to be healthy so they don’t get sick.

            What ever happened to personal responsibility???? Stop blaming everyone else. Sure there are hereditary and environmental factors to consider, but this is not the major cause of the problem.

          • needfulthings

            The right loves to use ” What ever happened to personal responsibility” Yet nine out of ten times the right believes that’s for everybody else! Its a Phrase to the right, they have almost never except personal responsibility. Many examples just no time for this lie.
            (banning Happy Meals for kids) — (banning 32 oz soft drinks). But isn’t that “SOCIALISM” the very thing you call our president … can you see yourself now?
            Now to worry this country has operated under Socialist laws since before your dad was born.
            The average family eats at the Mc’s three times a month (or so they say)?
            You have NO clue as to how many people are sick (for other than your stated reasons) it ain’t just the burger biggies and if it was your socialist leanings should make you work on passing laws to limit or shut’em down!

            Did ya know that if you had chicken pox, measles or acne when you were a kid you can’t get treatment for several life threating Illnesses? ( Its a “PRE-EXISTING CONDITION” YES some cancers are in that group. shame on them for not taking care of themselfs !!!

            The corn-servitives are EVIL, sub-human! Their GAWD will punish them.

          • Katrael

            needfulthings, ok so you turn to the doctor and take a pill from him or let him or her cut out your organs all the while denying that you can do anything for yourself. You make my point. If you live in the city and can’t get fresh then move out to the country. There is plenty of room there.

            I will admit that it’s too late for many to rely on healthy living but for the vast majority this is not true. It’s never too late to do something. I’ve seen “miracles” happen to people when they change their diets. Including miracles with diabetes.

          • needfulthings

            Just move hey! some would if they could, most can’t and there be many reasons for that (like the fact that most of the housing is RENTAL and that’s hard to find in the country. some don’t have a car, some don’t have a computer …… but ya just don’t get it, Ya don’t get to pick your parents, Ya don’t get to to pick your disease and a lot of them don’t even have a doctor (well at least the President has got that one covered soon)! Bye the Bye just how much housing do ya think there is out there in the country ????

            I’m gonna mark you down as “NO ANSWER” Clueless !

          • Katrael

            needfulthings, there is more than enough housing out here in the country. No, you can’t pick your parentage but, you can ameliorate the worst of your genetics by proper diet.

          • Sally Jo

            Humans do pick their parents before the come to the planet deciding they would be the best choice to learn what is needed for their spiritual growth. :).

          • Katrael

            Sally Jo, I see that you were smiling when you wrote your comment. I can’t make a smile big enough here to let you know how much this tickles me :) Anyway, I don’t know about the picking parents part but I do agree that this life is a learning opportunity.

            I have made soooooo many bad decisions, done things I swore I’d never do, did things over again that I said I wouldn’t and it has cost me a fortune, but I’m not sorry about any of it. Oh, I’m not proud of many of the things I’ve done but I’ve learned so much that I would never want to undo any of it. The difficult thing is living with the consequences of what I’ve done. That gets easier with time though. Be well and prosper Sally Jo

          • Sally Jo

            Your comment warmed my heart as it was refreshing to read humbleness in words instead of those slamming one another for word gain for their own energy power. I, too, have made decisions I now regret, but at the time I thought they were the right ones. Like you, what I have learned from these choices have been amazing, and I could never learn these from a textbook. Besides, I am told from the spriit world that words do not teach, it is the experiences that do, as you can see. We have come so far away from the teachings of Jesus directing us how to live while we are here on this planet. I am amazed at how whenever someone mentions Jesus/God that they are a religious zealot. That is how far gone we are as a planet. When materialism, greed, money, power, etc., have become the dominet motivation for living, we have lost our way. We first were spiritual before we came, then human. We came from love, like a child of 2-3 years…so full of love. We need love to exist..but we have been distracted by the other power gaining control. Thanks, as may you be well prosper and find the lessons you came for your spiritual growth.

          • Katrael

            Sally Jo, thank you. It seems to me that we are put into a material body for the purpose of learning how to use the energies available to a material being while learning how to use those energies properly. Once we learn why we shouldn’t abuse those energies we do have access to, then we can be trusted to use the ones we don’t yet understand or can even detect. Those energies in my opinion are true creative/destructive energies and they will become available to us after we’ve learned to use what we have now. This of course is my own personal theory. Be well and prosper and use your energy with understanding :)

          • needfulthings

            I can only speak to my state and have lived in the City, Burbs, Semi-rural and way in the sticks where I couldn’t see another house and there is NOT alot of rental property to be had. Yes a lot of empty houses owned by banksters NOT rentals that a family making 10 bucks an hour could afford ! NOT TRUE you need to ask rush again.

          • needfulthings

            My last answers still stand, you can not wish it all away, genetics can not be altered, the environment is NOT OK, The chemicals are still in our food Yes even in your veggies, The people can NOT move far enough away to reverse or fix their contaminations, your not rational. If your not part of the answer, YOU must be part of the problem fits the right to a “T” ..

          • Katrael

            needfulthings, I thought the “NO ANSWER” list meant that you weren’t going to reply to my posts? I guess that’s the “NO REPLY” list? Anyway, FUBAR? I know what that means but it seems to me that you are subscribing to that attitude with your “My last answers still stand, you can not wish it all away, genetics can not be altered, the environment is NOT OK, The chemicals are still in our food Yes even in your veggies, The people can NOT move far enough away to reverse or fix their contaminations(sic),” diatribe. I’m not wishing anything away and if these things can’t be fixed then what’s the use, right? Each one of us can do for ourselves even if we can’t for others. I am part of the solution because I’ve seen people’s lives change when they change their diet to include plenty of fresh uncooked food and plenty of clean water in their diet. I don’t feel sorry for anyone with your type of an attitude because they bring their own problems on themselves. Eat well and be well and prosper.

          • needfulthings

            Thank you for that Final thought Katrael

          • tlgeer

            How nice for you that you know how everyone is supposed to live and be healthy.

            Do you have any suggestions for my Grand-Niece, who has Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis? She’s had it since she was 2 years old and she just turned 5. Her Mom, BTW, is a nutritionist. They eat very healthy. BTW, the ACA has relieved my Nieces mind a lot, because it means that my Grand Niece cannot be turned down for insurance.

            How about my Niece who was born with severe cerebral palsy? She is now 33, and my sister grows most of their own food.

            Or My Mom, another Sister, and myself with degenerative disk disease? Do you have any foods that will help that?

            Or the kidney problems that run in one side of my family. I can actually document it. It goes back as far as the US Civil War. Maybe farther, but I can’t document it, and there’s nobody to answer questions about it.

            I’m sorry, but you seem to believe that all health problems would be corrected, or simply not happen, as long as we eat healthy. That is simply not true.

          • Katrael

            tlgeer, where to start? I’ll start here: every disease including your grand niece’s has a simple cure. That cure won’t be found in the grocery store and may not even be found in a health food store but it can come through proper nutrition. You and most people are even more ignorant than I am about this subject and for sure I’m ignorant.

            It doesn’t matter if you believe in evolution or creation about this subject as you seem to have bought into the idea that we have all been dealt a physical body that is deficient in design or evolution so it’s prone to suffer disease. This is most assuredly not true.

            There are an estimated 25,000 plant species on this planet. An estimated 5,000 of them are considered edible or medicinal. The vast majority of these 5,000 have yet to be partially or even fully studied and that doesn’t even bring into consideration the other estimated 20,000 plants species. Of that 5,000 edible plants species, 800 of them are known to exist east of the Mississippi River where I live. The people who originally populated this country before our ancestors came here understood the flora and fauna of this nation and were able to provide from it’s bounty to the body so that it could heal itself. No one can heal another person yet. All that can be done is to provide the body with the basic building blocks and it does the rest.

            Disease, the state of being “not at ease”, which by the way is a medical definition for disease, is merely the body’s only means of informing us about this deficiency of basic nutrients. We have lost the ability to “hear” what our body’s are telling us so we run to the doctor who does the best he can to “listen” for us. The problem is that doctors are even more ignorant than the average person is about nutrition so they prescribe pills and surgery instead.

            There is far too much to teach you here and this is not the format for it. You have to be willing to learn and hopefully you will.

            My own experience has taught me quite a lot about listening to my body. I was chronically diseased for the first thirty five years of my life often being very ill for as much a four to six months out of the year. How would you like to live that way? The doctors offered no solutions for me.

            One day I was suffering so bad that every hair follicle on my body seemed to be giving me excruciating pain. I prayed and I cried that there had to be a better way of living. My prayer was heard and answered. Two weeks later I was given a book to read by my dad on allergies. The book explained how to discover what was the cause of most allergies and what to do about it. I won’t go into detail here but I will say that I read then applied the information and the cure for thirty five years of agony turned out to be the elimination of three foods from my diet. This has brought me permanent relief from my disease. I’ve had other problems in my sixty years of life and have found nutritional cures for them. Things like arthritis, hemorrhoids and athletes foot infections. It’s great to be able to move without pain, not to have to wear a pad to absorb blood, and not to have itching cracked and bleeding feet. All done through nutrition. I know other people who’s body’s have healed themselves of cancer, diabetes and other diseases through nutrition.

            So get an education then apply what you learn and you might just be able to assist your grand niece with her disease; then be well and prosper.

          • tlgeer

            “for sure I’m ignorant”

            At least you recognize it. Not to mention arrogant and out of touch with the real world. You know, the one that G-d gave us. With disease.

          • Katrael

            tlgeer, if the truth equals arrogance then I’m arrogant. I’m live in the current world and you don’t; you live in the dark ages where you serve several gods. I’ll list two of them: Obama and Satan. YHWH didn’t give us disease we brought it on ourselves but he gave us a way to limit and eliminate disease and you reject him for Satan’s ways. So you, your grand niece and others that follow your line of thinking will be suffer disease unnecessarily because of your willful stupidity. I’d like you to be well and prosper but you won’t do it.

          • Katrael

            needfulthings, it is you who is clueless. It seems as if you believe that your president will be the one to save you from yourself? He can’t save you and he won’t. You’ll die a slow horrible death by virtual starvation if you don’t change your attitude.

          • needfulthings

            The Right Wing psychopath’s have already played that hand, Obama may or may NOT be able to help ! F.U.B.A.R. is the republican battle cry .

      • Jim

        I’m tired of this crap. With all due respect, you’re an idiot. You don’t know how to write, and you apparently only read what you want to read. The GOP proposed a viable alternative to oblundercare (H.R. 1286) that was completely ignored by the Democratic majority before they shoved oblundercare down our throats. This was a simple document (vs. a 2,300 page nightmare) that eliminated the pre-exisiting condition problem, opened competitive HC insurance across state lines, and instituted tort reform (frivilous malpactice suits that drive up the cost of healthcare. Plus, there are many in the 30M that you claim (it’s really closer to about 17M) that are young and healthy and DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR HEALTHCARE BECAUSE THEY DON’T NEED IT. And I would like to know where you got your statistic that 50M people have deductibles that are half their incomes. That is absurd. Get your facts straight before you start spreading your garbage around.

        • Sally Jo

          Healthcare should be an option like auto-care. You can receive full coverage or PLPD. You pay for what you receive. I don’t think employers should have to offer insurance. People need to purchase it on their own, and have a choice. I have not had insurance for 5 years, and I take a different routen that most would not believe in. I am totally healthy. There are more ways to remain healthy than health insurance. If you own a automobile, you must have auto insurance. I know of alot of people who use public transportation to and from work, and therefore should not be forced to purchase auto insurance. Like health insurance, people use other remedies for healthcare, as I feel they should not be penalized if they dnot purchase insurance.

          • Jim

            I completely agree. Ride a bike. Walk. Jog. Swim. Hike. Eat healthy. Don’t smoke. Don’t do drugs. Don’t drink excessively. In short, live a healthy live, and stay in shape. Don’t be sedentary. One our biggest killers is diabetes, which in many cases is brought on by being overweight. It can lead to blindness, amputations, and a host of other illnesses which could otherwise be avoided. Being overweight also is terrible for your heart.

            Of course there are hereditary illnesses that can’t be avoided, but it is even said that a healthy diet can be a good defense against cancer.

            I go to the doctor once a year for an annual check-up and he always gives me the best advice, which is, “keep doing what you are doing.”

        • needfulthings

          Ahhhh ! another ENGLISH major !! I guest I don’t write very much too pretty good,
          But this is what the right does (changes the subject) …. Now lets stay FOCUSSED for the moment ( I’ll type really slow 4 U)
          Fact ;
          case in point … 28 year old women with 2 kids works at Walmart, she makes $8 an hour (dats 13 K a year at 32 hrs which is full time at the W,she needs health care so she pays $300 mo + $ 3000 deductabled , After taxes brings her income to $12K … Do I need to do the math for ya? Okay $300 X 12 mos = $ 3600 a year + $3000 deductable comes $6,600 a year NOT COUNTING PRESCRIPTIONS (I think)

          Do ya feel me now Moe-Fro !!!!!!!!!!

          Step away from Fixed Noise , FOX is only there for ENTERTAINMENT .. thee No Facts Zone !!

          • Jim

            Personal responsibility = maybe she should have thought twice about the consequences of being a single mother with two kids and how she was going to afford them before she went out partying. Although in this case, like you she probably just thinks that “it’s not my fault” and the government should take care of me.

          • needfulthings

            That statement just shows how EVIL thee right wing can be, She was married, for whatever reason he left she’s left to pick up the pieces and get on with life. The point here is tens of millions of people are stuck in these dead-end jobs in part because the right gave tax cuts to companies to move their production off shore, under dubya 55,000 factories are gone, Not just closed but empty, because ALL equipment is now in another country, (yes billy boy gets some credit for this too) these jobs are NOT coming back unless the the Dems get a solid majority in the House and Senate. The right wings got nothing to fix this, they don’t care, they caused it, the votes show it! Where did we go when dubya gave TWO tax cuts to the wealthy + 15% capital gains + other tax deals that have corporations that make BILLIONS and paid NO taxes or when we give them more of our money in returns (yes! our money), they paid no taxes so the money they (corps) got back wasn’t a refund. Where are the “JOB CREATORS” they got BIG tax cuts so where are the jobs ??????
            We still give money to the oil companies whom have shown record profits never seen before in the world!

            I gave you the figures, the data, dee scoop as it were and i’ll bet your STILL in denial (dats a river in Egypt) Any country that starts off with these words in their most sacred document ” WE THE PEOPLE” shouldn’t become a FASCIST OLIGARCHY and yet that is todays CON-SERATIVES. shame on you all !

          • Jim

            Oh crap! You figured me out! I am EVIL RIGHT WING RACIST WHO DOESN’T CARE ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS! My secret is out. And I I guess you also figured out that I don’t like clean water, I want to breath dirty air. I don’t care about old people or kids with autism.

            HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME!!!!

          • needfulthings

            See what I mean , No one judged YOU ! … You showed the true leanings of a PSYCHOPATH with a little FASCISM thrown in and you Can’t except Personal responsiibility for exposing yourself!

          • George

            How long have you had this problem ; ” your head ; being buried ; this far , ” up your , rear -end ?

          • needfulthings

            There you go ‘ASS-UMING AGAIN” shouldn’t you check with Fixed Noise to tell you how you should feel ?

      • tlgeer


        You got it wrong. Here are all the bills with a 1268 number in the last 2 Congresses:

        1 . [111th] Amending the Rules of the House of Representatives to require chairs and ranking minority members of committees and subcommittees to indicate whether they have any financial interest… (Introduced in House – IH)[H.RES.1268.IH ]
        2 . [112th] Nuclear Power Licensing Reform Act of 2011 (Introduced in House – IH)[H.R.1268.IH ]
        3 . [111th] Homeowner Tax Fairness Act of 2009 (Introduced in Senate – IS)[S.1268.IS ]
        4 . [111th] To amend the Truth in Lending Act to prohibit issuance of residential mortgages to any individual who lacks a Social Security account number. (Introduced in House – IH)[H.R.1268.IH ]

        These can all be found on the Library of Congress website, where ALL Congressional bills are posted. You might want to try it.

    • Lori

      Hi Doug, I work and have my own health insurance but what I find in talking to people is that they are not stupid or greedy but bring up most often that we provide health care, food, weapons, protection and much more for almost every country in the world, so why do we keep doing it and talk about cutting off American citizens that are sick, hungry and at risk? It seems if there is NO money and we are not the wealthiest country in the world that we should quit doing these things and let the wealthiest country in the world take over so we can care for our own citizens who are unfortuneate enough to be unemployed, disabled, under educated and homeless. It is hard for even for me a Blessed, working, educated, home owning (free and clear) citizen to understand how this works. Maybe you ca shed some light on this for me as Dems and Reps alike take care of the world here in America but always taking away from our citizens help programs. Help me to understand how and why this happens. Thanks.

      • Sally Jo

        Read the book “Aftershock” by Robert Wiedemer, as it will explain what we are getting. The global crisis we are in will be falling soon. Economists say if you own a home, SELL now before you loose all equity. The bottom will fall as we see it already happening. We cannot judge one another by a home, a job, and a degree. Maybe one came here for NOT that purpose. We ALL have gotten into this together.

        • Lori

          Sally Jo, i was asking why in anyone’s opinion, we keep taking care of the people’s of other nations when we keep cutting these same basic need services to our own. If we have no money how and why do we keep doing it. I was actually talking to Doug who was talking about Obamacare so I was simply stating that I don’t really have an opinion on what he was saying as Obamacare does not at this time pertain to me or anyone I know. Then I asked him the same question I just asked you.

    • Lori


      Obamacare isn’t free so Palin is right about that. The way I understand it is this. Right now as a person with a job and healthcare, each year my employer’s healthcare rates go up and so mine do also. This is caused by the millions of unemployed that have huge medical bills and no way to pay them. What happens then is hospitals and doctors raise their prices to cover the losses and the people with health insurance suffer with higher rates, deductibles and copays. Obamacare will force people without jobs and/or health insurance to buy health insurance thus protecting the rates insured people have to pay which would include businesses that provide health insurance.

      • tlgeer

        ” What happens then is hospitals and doctors raise their prices to cover the losses and the people with health insurance suffer with higher rates, deductibles and copays.”

        “Obamacare will force people without jobs and/or health insurance to buy health insurance thus protecting the rates insured people have to pay which would include businesses that provide health insurance.”

        Sorry. Wrong. The ACA premiums will be means tested. If someone cannot afford the premiums they will be asked, using a a means test, to pay for part of it if they can.

        People without jobs will not be asked. Neither will the elderly and disabled who live on just SS income.

        You might want to read the actual law. Then you would know if what you are being told is a lie or not.

        • Lori

          Alright, tlgeer, I went and read where you sent me. How it works and what it covers has nothing to do with why it was created which exactly like I told you above. Uninsured are bringing down the insured and hospitals and doctors because they leave high bills and someone has to absorb them. If everyone has to have insurance then how could they leave high bills anywhere unpaid? So you say, hospitals and doctors write bad debt off, so where do you think that comes from, tax payer money. So any way you look at it insured and tax payers pay for uninsured people’s unpaid hospital/doctor debt. One way or another something has to be done to cover uninsured individuals debts.

  • Rasta

    Fox News, that’s an oxymoron for sure! Sarah Palin another idiot!

    • Doug

      Oh here is one ^, a government slave.

      • TIME

        Dear Doug,

        The term your looking for is a “USEFUL IDIOT.” Of what R, fits the bill to a TEE!

        Peace and Love

      • Rasta

        Fox News is not news and Sarah Palin should not be able to give advice on anything especially not economic poilcy. At what junior college did she study?

      • Katrael

        Rasta, I wouldn’t worry about what Jr. College Sarah Pallin went to. Most non college students have a better grasp on economic reality than most brainless college grads have. They know that you can’t spend what you don’t have. That’s the point of Brandon Smith’s post. Go ahead and keep denying reality until it hits you in the face.

    • former walmart person

      Faux News (Fairly imbalanced!!) Your propaganda headquarters!!!

      • Stephen Morris

        Rosta – and what exclusive and prestigious four year college did you attend? What qualifications are required to give economic advice? I’m the 70 year old son of a WV coal miner with a junior college degree and I am fully qualified to give advice to anyone. Here is some advice for you. With a $16T debt, uncontrolled spending, and QE 3 on the horizon, hyper inflation is as certain as BO is a socilist. Buy gold and button down the hatches. When the bottom falls out, I’ll be thinking of you with a smile on my face.

      • Greg

        Steven, well put, I’ve found that the liberal a$$holes you’ve replied to are no longer worth my time or attention. They’re obviously too incapable of helping themselves to anything except gov’t handouts. When the $h!t finally hits the fan and they realize their precious nanny state is incapable of supporting them anymore I suspect they will be the first to lament, wring their collective hands, and hopefully take their own pathetic “collective” lives. If any of them decide they do have the balls to finally stand up and take control of theirselves by resorting to violence, well then Sir I have an answer for that too. The difference between whinny, liberal, wanna be tough guys and conservatives is that we can do violence with conviction.

      • commonscense

        When the (expletive deleted) hits you wont be going to the broke government for a handout maybe WALMART will hire you as a greeter

      • KG

        I think all the right wing whackos actually want America to fail. Like in the movie spys like us – “A weapon never used is a useless weapon”.
        It’s you guys who would have done a first strike on the USSR. Wich would beg the question – Who is more evil, the commies or the first strikers who just destroyed the planet?

        What you guys calla “worthless eater”, are the people who will take care of you in the old folks home.

        “Siempre revolution” Che Guevera

    • Jim

      Why do liberals always revert to name calling and insults?

      • RichE

        Maybe Rush or Don Imus can answer your question.

        • Jim

          For what it’s worth, I don’t like either Ruch L. or Don Imus. But I suppose that they get their lessons and queues from the likes of Bill Mahr, Sean Penn, and Chris Matthews…

          • RichE

            Wow! Rush and Don are puppets of Bill Mahr, Sean Penn, and Chris Matthews. I didn’t know that.
            You suffer from, “Righteous” syndrome. Name calling isn’t limited to the Right or Left. Blame it on WWII, there was a lot of name-calling going on.

          • Jim

            I forgot to add Michael Moore. The Idiot King.

            If you compare the number of libs using vile language to the number of conservatives, then having only two – Rush and Imus, tips the scales toward libs being the most crude. But I guess that makes them puppets as you point out.

            Now I am preparing for the name calling. I don’t like Obama, so I am a racist. I don’t like Obamacare, so I am not compassionate. I support the 2nd Amendment and own a gun, so I am a gun carrying extremist. I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, so I am a religious zealot.

            You know what else I don’t like? People who can get off their a$$ and get a job or find a way to earn a living, then tell everyone else that we have to pay. Or the woman who goes out drinking and sleeping around (on her own volition), has 5 kids, and then asks “who’s going to feed my babies and get them medicine?” So I am insensitive too I guess.

            I believe that we are in control of our own destiny and that people should take responsibility for themselves and their families. I don’t like the government that breeds a society completely dependent on entitlements and handouts. Maybe you do. I don’t.

          • RichE


            I don’t like it either, but what’re you going to do, let the babies die, put her in jail, what about him? Blaming it on the Government is wrong. We didn’t want to get our hand dirty so we passed it along to the Government. Governments don’t just start doing something. Laws have to be passed, money has to be allocated and then the government does something.

            Why does homosexual marriage bother you? It’s just two people in a committed relationship. How does it take away from?

          • Sally Jo

            America needs jobs to go back to work. People do not have enough to do and start squabbling. This job market MUST open back up for business. Bring them back and watch America start working again. Can’t work with no jobs, so yes, if government gives so much money to other countries and leaves us behind, well, yes then people will need to be taken care of. It’s not the un=employed fault. We need a leader to trun this country back around to the United States. Plus, corporations want the world in regards to the hiring practices too. They also need to lower their HIGH expectations too.

  • Warrior

    Once upon a time the government had a vast scrap yard in the middle of a desert.

    Congress said, “Someone may steal from it at night.” So they created a night watchman position and hired a person for the job.

    Then Congress said, “How does the watchman do his job without instruction?” So they created a planning department and hired two people, one person to write the instructions, and one person to do time studies.

    Then Congress said, “How will we know the night watchman is doing the tasks correctly?” So they created a Quality Control department and hired two people. One was to do the studies and one was to write the reports.

    Then Congress said, “How are these people going to get paid?” So they created two positions: a time keeper and a payroll officer then hired two people

    Then Congress said, “Who will be accountable for all of these people?” So they created an administrative section and hired three people, an Administrative Officer, Assistant Administrative Officer, and a Legal Secretary.

    Then Congress said, “We have had this command in operation for one year and we are $918,000 over budget, we must cut back.” So they laid-off the night watchman.

    NOW slowly, let it sink in.

    Quietly, we go like sheep to slaughter. Does anybody remember the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter administration?




    Didn’t think so!

    Bottom line is, we’ve spent several hundred billion dollars in support of an agency, the reason for which very few people who read this can remember!


    It was very simple… and at the time, everybody thought it very appropriate. The Department of Energy was instituted on 8/04/1977, TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL. Hey, pretty efficient, huh???



    34 years ago 30% of our oil consumption was foreign imports. Today 70% of our oil consumption is foreign imports.

    Ah, yes — good old Federal bureaucracy.


    Hello!! Anybody Home?

    Signed….The Night Watchman

    • Steve E

      Perhaps they need to give it more time to work. Just kidding.

      • Jim

        Take something simple and complicate it, that’s Government!

    • nc

      Warrior, all I have ever seen at a junk yard is some old dude who needs a shave smoking a joint and one mean A$$ dog!

      • bearded1

        And yet, the delightfully unshaven manage to turn a profit out of refuse while the squeaky clean shaven manage, malign and destroy. Should be speaking volumes to making ill-advised references to us bearded folk, not to mention how pathetic we have become as a nation that must consider someone’s appearance as credibility of leadership. Look how far that got us this time around!!!

      • Steve L.

        The reason all those institutions have been turned over to the government is because left alone they always rip off the american public. the banking industry and wall street proved that. LESS REGULATION AND GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THE BIGGEST TRANSFER OF WEALTH IN HISTORY ?

        • Katrael

          Steve L., the problem is that most people view the government and corporations as being two separate entities. Well, in a sense they are but in a real sense the government is owned and operated by the banks who make it possible for modern businesses to function and many of which are owned by the same families that own the banks.

      • vicki

        Steve L. says:
        “The reason all those institutions have been turned over to the government is because left alone they always rip off the american public.”

        How would they do that? They have no guns to force the public. Government, on the other hand DOES. Now who is going to force whom?

    • former walmart person

      Its posts like these that really wake people up. Bravo!

    • kmwhitt

      May I repost this?

    • John

      Fantastic! Bravo.

    • Sirian

      Very good points Warrior. HA, doesn’t matter though, they won’t believe facts unless they are running parallel to their university indoctrinated minds. Independent, individualistic thought has become a major disease hasn’t it? :)

    • GiveAwayJimmie

      Warrior—-an outstanding post—-you have hit the nail on the head!!!!!! Government is not the U.S Citizen’s caring friend!

    • DAVE

      Great post but a little backwards. We’ve turned the government over to the banking and health care industry. Rather they’ve taken over the government. Unless people figure that out, we’re doomed. Citizens United should be an indicator to even the dimmest bulb as to what’s really happening. It’s all out in the open now. Our government was for sale and it’s been purchased outright.
      You folks will long for socialism once the final parts of the plan are laid in place.

    • Jim

      Awesome, but sadly the truth. Thanks to Jimmy Carter, who until now was considered the worst president in US History…

      • Flashy

        Carter the worst? Not even close. Not even the same lap as Reagan…who was the worst curse this nation has had. Pre Reagan, we had deficit spending of $68 bil (post Vietnam recession), under Reagan that skyrocketed and we had a national debt that shamed the industrial world at that time. Pre Reagan, two income families were an option, after Reagan? A necessity, Reagan began the War with vengence upon the Middle Class and gave the wealthy and Corporate America the keys to the vault, and cemented the welfare system for Corporate America and the wealthy elite.

        I had thought that we would be blessed never to experience another disaster and traitor as Reagan…then came the Bush II/Cheney regime. So Reagan is now second worst…Bush II by a mile leading the pack of presidencies in incompetence and anti-Americanism.

        Where our troubles today begin? One need look no further than 1981.

        • Yankee

          My only reply to that trash is… LOL!!!

          No come back to reality.

      • Sanders

        Carter? What a laugh! His inaction with regards to our citizens being held hostage in Iran was deplorable, some would say bordering on treason (I wouldn’t go quite that far).

      • Opal the Gem

        And Flushy posts the S.O.S he always does despite the fact that he has been proven wrong over and over and over by several different posters and despite the FACT he is a proven lier with no credibility.

    • Sanders

      And examples like these are rampant in all levels of government, especially federal, which is why it has racked up an astounding $16 trillion debt that we will never be able to pay off. But lets keep allowing our govt to take over more and more of our industries, that will fix it.

    • Bill Sciacca

      Warrior – ALl I can say is EXCELLENT!!! I am going to post yur coomments on my FB page! Thank you foor your wit, wisdom and insight!!!! You’re the best!!!!

    • South Sound Bonney Lake Patriots

      So very true and well said!

    • 2centsworth

      This is more serious than people think……it is NOT a joke! Have you heard of Erasmus of America and the Omni Law? If the States will pass this, all these Lies and Ripoffs will be stopped!! We have to do something though…. we have to send this to all of our representatives in Government and our State and tell them we want it passed, and NOW!

    • roscoe

      I have sat here and read what different people have said some are dems and some are repubs . what you have said is right on.It amazes me to read what some people say ,the dems talk about the 2 wars Bush got us into and the cost not thinking that Obama is still fighting the same war and the money Bush spent in 8 years and Obama has spent 5 trillon in 31/2 .some talk of big companies as the downfall of the USA.but it all falls on the government ,they repubs and dems get into bed with them ,cronie capitalist .The way i see it is the repubs and dems are both for big government .Look at the laws the repubs voted to fight terrorism ,and the dems voted for it to .You know all of congress and senate knows about agenda 21 ,but none of them will say anything about it and they let obama do anything he wants to using execuitive power.All they care about is getting reelected .If you don’t think agenda 21 is real just google agenda 21 that is where we are headed and the UN will control the whole world ,if we don’t stick together and stop sticking to parties and fighting over who caused this mess were in .That is what they want us doing is fighting that way they can slip there agenda right in

      • tlgeer

        Nonsense. You are, quite obviously, repeating what someone else has told you.

        Try reading it yourself.

      • Jim

        The UN has outlived it’s usefulness, especially when they want to impose global gun control on the USA and threaten our SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT to bear arms.

        The USA should get out of the useless organization and evict it from NYC.

        • tlgeer

          What is the name, or number, of the document that you believe would take away our right to carry firearms?

        • Eric Jones

          You do realize you probaley misundrstood something a u.n employee said right?

  • Mike the American

    It’s pretty hard to be socialist when the freeloaders outnumber the taxpayers. I think Obama’s real plan is to destroy the US so it then can be easier to be put under UN control to further the NWO agenda

    • TIME

      Dear Mike,

      There really is no – NWO its just the “Old World Order” in a special new box with a really KOOL prize in the box!

      Peace and Love

    • Ken

      @ MIKE;

      And that’s EXACTLY what he’s doing MIKE!

    • Steve E

      That is part of the Cloward and Piven stratagy. Obama studied that when he was in college.

      • Ken

        @Steve E;

        Thanks for the info Steve!

  • Ken



  • RivahMitch

    Great Article!!

  • bearded1

    We have a micro example of what this smells like right here in RI. Three years ago and $100M or so down the drain the state had to eat the loss of investment from the reformed landfill by which the state’s refuse largely gets dumped. It was a former toxic waste site in the 70s and I was a stringer on that news story with a famous RI news reporter back then. The news from that place never stops. The reformed landfill was reconstituted into a new corporate entity that managed to spend every last cent and do so well ahead of its schedule, and the state was left with telling the taxpayers ‘oops…they made a boo boo’. The landfill never closed, it’s still the only one of its kind in RI, and it makes money…but there is a stench so annoying it can be detected in nearby Massachusetts and CT on some days. A stench that reminds every Rhode Islander of the legacy of something which had been fouled up, gets fouled up in the pocketbook, and remains foul right to this very day. RIRRIP is our Obamacare in trash form. Wait ’til you find out how badly your healthcare will stink. And yes, folks…it will survive any financial disaster; go back to the USSR days to find out how long they suffered under their socialist mandates.

    • MAP

      Beard, I find it distressing when I consider just how many laws have been repealed in the history of our country. Virtually all have remained once put in place. I also think that the Supreme Court’s ruling has created a precedent. Even if the evil system is repealed, it can come back in a different form at another time. The Obamanation has created the cancer cell that will eventually kill us.

      • David

        The country will continue to be in trouble as long as politicians promise everything to get reelected. Its like the female that was going to votr for Obama ’causeTo he was going to pay her house and car payment. Theis current thinking in Washington has to stop before we all have to start speaking Chinese.

      • Sanders


        I’m afraid that it is already too late. you should begin your “chinese as a 2nd language” now. They already own half the country.

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        The reason laws do not get rescinded is because they have to go through the SAME procedures that they went through to get passed in the first place, and Congresses do not feel it a worthwhile requirement.

  • Justin

    I love this, I voted McCain and will be voting Romney. What I learned is to buy American and sell back all My made in China, or simply refuse to buy Made in China. Thank you do much and I hope this reaches all Conservative Americans. God Bless.

    • Steve E

      Made in China, but, Repaired in USA.

  • mike

    Mr smith from the tone of your post I feel you suffer from the dreaded my way or the highway syndrome I don’t buy 98.5% of your opinion the remaining 1.5% is very weak

    • Steve E

      Perhaps Mike, you should learn some history. Start with the Roman Empire.

      • Flashy

        Steve..the Roman Empire is a very bad example. I trust you realize such displays ignorance if that is your example to use. I would suggest following the history of France during the reigns of Louis Xlll and XlV.

        i doubt you would for two reasons. One is you most likely have little to no knowledge of your European Economic and Social history (probably watch World at War reruns on the Military Channel for your “historical” knowledge.) The second is studying the economic and social issues of France during those reigns would show the policies of the Right lead to inner rot of society while policies of more equality of social order and caste led to periods of strength and stability,. We know who won that war of classes…and the result 70 years after the death of Louis XlV…

      • Vicki

        He probably meant the Roman Republic. This video describes what happened to it and how it fell into tyranny. The part covering the Roman Republic starts at about 8:30
        The section describing the cause of the fall starts at 9:00

        The whole clip is about 10 min long and well worth watching.

      • Flashy

        Vicki…same thing. I watched the video. Now…go read your history. I would suggest you begin with the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon, then follow up by the several writings of HG Wells on the subject (his two volume treatise on World History is enlightening). Then treat yourself to an education with Voltaire (Candide) and continue with a study especially on several writings concerning France during and after the reign of the Sun King.

        Comparing the Roman Empire or Republic with the current situation is as far fetched as green men on Mars.

      • Steve E

        Flashy is a liberal who has no credibility or brain. Don’t even respond to me.

      • Vicki

        Flashy. writes:
        Vicki…same thing. ”

        Words have meanings. Empire != Republic.

        The roman EMPIRE is what Gibbon discussed. The video discusses the Roman REPUBLIC which predates the Empire and the work of Gibbon.

        “The work covers the history of the Roman Empire, Europe and the Catholic Church from 98 to 1590″

        As noted in the video the Roman REPUBLIC collapsed into a succession of Caesars around 50 to 40 BC under Julius Caesar. Roughly 150 years BEFORE Gibbon writes about.

        Perhaps you should consider going back farther in time with your history lessons. HG Wells for instance. You did mention his writings.

      • Vicki

        Flashy. To help you with your studies I dug up this from H.G.Wells.

        “We may very conveniently divide the expansion of Rome into four stages. The first stage began after the sack of Rome by the Goths in 390 B.C. and went on until the end of the First Punic War (240 B.C.). We may call this stage the stage of the Assimilative Republic. It was perhaps the finest, most characteristic stage in Roman history. The age-long dissensions of patrician and plebeian were drawing to a close, the Etruscan threat had come to an end, no one was very rich yet nor very poor, and most men were public-spirited. It was a republic like the republic of the South African Boers before 1900 or like the northern states of the American Union between 1800 and 1850; a free-farmers republic. ”

        Note the key words at the end of the quote. Pretty much exactly as described in the video. It is understandable that you missed the difference between Empire and Republic if you didn’t actually read thru the writings of Mr Wells. He did label the entire history of Rome as an empire.

      • Vicki

        And for a more clear look at that part of history you might try

        Focusing on just Roman History 509 BC – 27 BC rather than the entire “short history” of the world as described by H.G. Wells.

  • Ken

    People from every country the world over have dreamed of coming to American to live

    free – and yet most Americans have little appreciation for the gift that has been given to

    them – the only people in the history of the world to have such opportunity…..and now it’s

    gone and will never be seen again.

    Sailing on this ship of fools.

    • http://Google Mike Haley


    • Daveh234

      I don’t agree that most Americans don’t appreciate their freedom.
      That’s just not the facts.
      Anytime someone says most or every or all to describe the “wrong minded” is when you have to think where they get their facts. Most people never get wuestioned about any of this. The minority usually rules.

      • Ken

        I wish I had your optimism Dave – I just don’t have it anymore. Looking around, all I see are ungrateful dullards who are too busy with their video games and Television to be bothered learning the truth to the lies they’ve been told….too busy filling their minds with useless garbage and distractions.

  • Mutantone

    just look at who they gave exemptions to. That alone should show how the program will never function as they say it will. Now that it is a tax as the reports states, how do you tax people that are not working? how do you tax far fewer people with the exemptions in place, and still have a functioning system, simple you do not either way it is doomed to fail or destroy the Nation even more which I say was the set goal in the first place. Just look at where they are spending our money to assist the Arab Spring and thus the Muslim Brotherhood. We all know their stated goal for Us infidels and with Obamas’ administration’s assisting them in both here and abroad the loss attributed to National Health care is only one more step into their plans

    • Steve E

      I have already exempted myself from Obamacare. I have declared my Independence.

    • Flashy

      Bought into the hype and BS about ‘tax” eh? The SCOTUS DID NOT state it was a “tax”, it stated that the power to impose a penalty for freeloaders came under the taxing authority of Congress. Now…if you have health insurance, you bear no additional burden. if you freeload, then you pay a penalty for freeloading off the rest of us.

      You have a problem with having freeloaders pay up?

      • Mutantone

        just who are the free-loaders? that is the question how do you make someone that is unemployed, disabled pay for something that they can not afford? who pays for all the people that are unemployed? disabled? there are not enough working people to pay for it and the exemptions cut that number even more.

      • Deanna

        Let me clear something up. Not everyone who does not have health insurance is a freeloader. I’m self-employed and don’t have health insurance because I choose not to throw my money away on a broken system. If I need medical care, I pay for it out of my own pocket. (I think that’s called being “self-insured.”) Even if I get in an accident and have large hospital bills, hospitals are always willing to work with patients and set up a payment plan. I’m a responsible adult who meets my obligations – not a freeloader. Others who don’t have insurance are simply too poor to afford it. Does that make them freeloaders? And how will Obamacare help them? They’ll be required to buy insurance that they currently can’t afford. I don’t think a tax credit is going to make that much difference in their ability to do that. It’s going to put an unfair burden on poor people – the ones too “rich” to qualify for Medicaid, that is.

      • Jazzabelle

        I don’t have insurance. I pay for all of my medical care in cash. Does that make me a freeloader?

      • Sanders


        There are a lot of poor people in this country that cannot afford health insurance, or health care for that matter, that still will not be able to afford it with the “tax credit” who will simply roll that tax credit right back into the system to help pay their fine(tax). This new FU law will only add to their problem of making ends meet at the end of the year when they must pay for their inability to insure themselves. It doesn’t make them freeloaders, you POS. Granted there are those who can afford it but opt not to and that is their decision, not yours or mine. If you don’t like living in the “Free World”, why don’t you move to Russia, they would be glad to have your Communistic mind in their midst.

      • Flashy

        Sanders (and the rest)…if unemployed or below the income levels, there is a phase out of the penalty. Otherwise, you are gambling you do not have a debilitating disease or accident…and gambling with our money in doing so.

        Think back to the debates when Ron Paul said ‘let the guy die”. Uh huh …ain’t gonna happen in this day and age. we’d pick up that tab. Myself? I would have preferred the mandate had gone down and the SCOTUS killed it. THAT would have brought the Public OPTION back to the forefront..where we should have been in the first place.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “it stated that the power to impose a penalty for freeloaders came under the taxing authority of Congress.”

        If it falls under the taxing authority of congress then it is a TAX. Therefore SCOTUS said it was a tax maybe not directly but even so they did say it.

      • phideaux

        “There are a lot of poor people in this country that cannot afford health insurance, or health care for that matter,”

        Flashy could care less about the poor except as a talking point when advocating for his fascist utopia.

      • GregS

        Flashy says:

        “The SCOTUS DID NOT state it was a ‘tax’…”

        For your information, Flashy, Justice Roberts went on to say that it CANNOT be implemented unless it’s considered a tax.

        Therefore, if it’s not a tax, it’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL! The Supreme Court has ruled!

        Furthermore, by the time it is fully implemented, virtually EVERYONE’S taxes will rise dramatically, because of all the other imbeded taxes (at least 20 of them), and also because of the tens of thousands of pages of mandates and new programs (outsourced to UNELECTED HHS bureaucrats to “create”)that will come out of it.

        So Flashy, it’s ObamaTAXCare, no matter how you look at it.

    • tlgeer

      The exemptions end when in 2014, when the rest of the law goes into effect.

      • Jim

        Hopefully it will be repealed BEFORE it goes into effect. It’s disaster waiting to happen!

  • Gea

    France does rather well with its single payer system (medicare for all) and has the best health in the world, according to World Health Orgamzation study. They pay 2-3 times LESS/per person) than we do in USA, and our health is 34th, behind Cuba, which pays 100 times less/per person. Our systam of insurance companies/hospitals/pharma industrial complex is syhoning money from care into their parasitic pockets. The insurance systme had become so complicated that you need 2 lawyers to figure out what is covered and what is not.

    We should run insurance/hospital/pharma compex out of business and go to ole fashioned medicine where you pay doctor directly rather then making him fill all those forms for insurance companies. I have no insurance and plan to stay that way, since I take good care of my health by healthy life style and nutrition, while for dental care I go to India, where a married couple of denists are the best I ever experienced. The man has a M.Sc in Orthodentistry from Ohio State University and his wife is an oral surgeon who teaches in Dental School in Delhi. The crown costs $60-80, so if you have just one crown, it pays for you trip to India.

    America is a great country for strong and healthy and those who are independently rich but we need to address the obfuscation of facts by our politicians who are bought by various money interests to continue their obscene profits at the expense of taxpayers. Additionally our social safety net is abused by able bodied men and women to come from dysfunctional families and perpeturate the dysfunctional family by having children to get more dole. Working Americans are sqeezed between unworking rich and non-working poor who are all gaming the system.

    • MAP

      Here is an article showing that it was the government itself that created the healthcare problem to begin with. We are now to believe that the source of the problem is the solution.

    • Sanders

      Yea GEA, and look at where all their Socialistic trash has gotten their country. They are in just as bad a shape as Greece. When are all you Socialist/Liberals/Rinos going to wake up and smell the coffee? This country is too socialized as it is and look at where it is getting us, right down the tubes with the rest of the Socialized nations.

    • David

      France is highly indebted and on the verge of economic collapse just like the rest of the EU. Where are you getting your information?

  • MidnightDStroyer

    Socialism NEVER works. This has been proven time & again, worldwide, all through the history of humanity that socialist-style governments will ALWAYS collapse under their own weight.

    I think it was Einstein who is attributed to describe fanaticism is a particular kind of mental disorder in which someone will do the same thing, the same way, over & over again but somehow expect to achieve different results. The problem with the vast majority of people in this world who aren’t so afflicted, is that we must learn to recognize socialist fanatics & keep them from repeating the same mistakes & failures that history has shown us to be true.

    • MAP

      Well said, Midnight. I would only add that those in government are only interested in seizing more and more dictatorial power. Those that believe their fantastic lies are merely useful idiots.

      • MAP

        And here is a useful idot, NC, preaching for his secular god, the state. How many fools do you plan to ensnare here today NC? Don’t you believe you would have better success elsewhere, like, for instance, the state mental hospital? Why, according to NC, we should be kissing the feet of those that enslave us. Unbelievable!

    • nc

      Midnight, doing the same thing over and over, like elections, is what made us the number one nation in the world!I What ever we were doing took us to number one and continuing to do it HAS KEPT US THERE! The Constitution , unfortunately, does not cure paranoia in a certain % of our population who constantly cry “the sky is falling”!

      • Sanders

        That’s the source of our problems, NC, whether you refuse to admit it or have your Liberal/Socialist blinders on. Our constitution is being trampled on every day by our beloved “elected” officials. Which is why the US is in a major decline and will continue it’s descent so long as govt stays on it’s current path of Socialism.

      • Don_in_DC

        You staunch party supporters crack me up. I can imagine someone pissing all over the Constitution and you are wondering what deodorant they were wearing.

    • Deerinwater

      “Socialism NEVER works.”

      I don’t believe anything does forever, if that is what you mean.

      The oldest civilization on the planet are the Chinese. ~ Does that make them ~ “better” ?

      • Charles Johnson

        You are wrong. The present Chinese culture dates back to the 1960s not the times of Chin. The communist dictator known as Mao killed millions of people to CHANGE the culture.

      • boyscout

        Apparently corporatism is here to stay and working quite well. I won’t attack their bankster cronies(alter egos) because that might affect the crumbs I get from the stocks my 401 invested in. And, sure I’ll bitch about the freeloaders who can’t find here the jobs that have been outsourced to ensure even higher profits (and a few more crumbs).
        I know am right in all of my opinions and that the rest of you useful idiot morons have it all inside out, because I get multiple affirmations daily from main stream media, owned and controlled by the purveyors of truth .

  • cawmun cents

    Mr Smith,
    I would suggest to you that telling socialists that their system is bad,is like beating your own head on a brick wall,and hoping to hurt someone else.-CC.

  • James Graham

    Real Facts About Mitt Romney=em

    Just Some Real Facts About Mitt Romney That We Will Not Hear About From The Lame Stream Media About The Real Mitt Romney! All you will hear from the Lame Stream Media about Romney will be negative or repulsive (from Mitt’s high school days approx. 50 years ago!) that in no way proves anything about what this man is made of today. The facts below are much more informative than what CNN or MSNBC can dig up about Romney.

    Mitt Romney:

    After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.

    As a venture-capitalist, Romney’s first major business deal involved investing in a start-up office supply company with one store in Massachusetts that sold office supplies. That company, called Staples, now has over 2,000 stores and employs over 90,000 people.

    Romney or his company Bain Capital (using what became known as the “Bain Way”) would go on to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino’s, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

    Got your calculators handy? Let’s recap.

    Volunteer campaign worker for his dad’s gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

    Unpaid intern in Governor’s office 8 years.

    Mormon missionary in Paris 2 years.

    Unpaid bishop and state president for his church 10 years.

    No salary as president of the Olympics 3 years.

    No salary as MA governor 4 years.

    That’s a grand total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, his community and his church.

    And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income….Obama gave 1%

    Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%

    This is real character vs….well you know what!

    Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected. At least I know what religion he is, and that he won’t desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or squander my money on vacations. I know he has the ability to turn this financial debacle that the “Spending President” has gotten us into. We didn’t know that when Obama said he’d give us change, he meant nickels and dimes, and he would get the big bucks. We won’t like all the things necessary to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney’s background can do it.

    But, on the minus side, He never was a “Community Organizer”, never took drugs or smoked pot. Never got drunk. Did not associate with communists or terrorists. Nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the U.S.

    • Sanders

      Excellent post James. Unfortunately, most, if not all of the Liberals on this site and throughout the US will refuse to look at these facts much less consider them to be indicative of a person with good morals and great leadership abilities. No, they will just continue to listen to the MSM spin machine and blindly vote for the Imposter-in-Chief.

      I find it worthy to note too that Obummer is not the only jerk to spend this country into oblivian as several of his predecessor were almost as bad. BUT, Obummer is definitely the worst of the bunch, the man belongs in prison.

      • Jim

        I completely agree. Oblunder should be in prison, not The White House.

    • nc

      James, george w. bush came from a christian family: had a graduate degree in business: had a formed President for a father, owned a business in America’s favorite past time: was a veteran(?)! AND?????????

  • nc

    Mr. ask where is the realistic plan to pay for Affordable Health Care> Two questions! What plan has the other side provided to pay for the status quo of rising insurance and health care costs presently being absorbed by the government? Surely, you don’t deny that those costs are not a major concern to HUGE NUMBERS of American citizens. Is your answer to let private business answer to that concern? They are ones who got us to this place!! China didn’t raise the rates on insurance or hospital costs!! It was done right here in the good old USA by good old US companies!
    Second question: If AHC is socialism how many people does the plan provide for to become government workers on the government payroll?? Does you favorite party have a plan for this country that does not have “government workers” providing “government “socialist” services”?

    • Brandon Smith


      What you are doing is using an Alinsky diversionary tactic. You can’t defend Obamacare, especially in terms of its economic detriments, so instead, you attempt to place the entirety of the healthcare problem into the hands of Obamacare critics to distract from the bottom line.

      The scope of this article is to point out why Obamacare will not work, not solve all the world’s problems in a few pages. I think I have done that efficiently. If you want economic solutions, you are welcome to visit my website, I write about working fiscal solutions all the time. However, the fact remains, Obamacare is doomed to failure. It is a mathematical certainty. Just because the current system has problems does not mean Obamacare is the answer. Why trade a bad system for a worse system? What’s the rush? And once again, how do we pay for Obamacare? No socialist I’ve met has been able to give a plausible answer to that question.

      • tlgeer

        “The scope of this article is to point out why Obamacare will not work, not solve all the world’s problems in a few pages.”

        I believe that the ACA will work. Nobody said that it would be free, or that it would be easy. But the problems with the medical industry in this country have out of control for many decades. None of this is new.

        And if the medical industry had wanted to become more comprehensive they would have done it years ago. Voluntarily. The haven’t.

        Medicare premiums are mandatory, once you are on Social Security. We pay premiums every single month. Those who are below the poverty level can have their premiums paid by their State.

      • tlgeer

        “No socialist I’ve met has been able to give a plausible answer to that question.”

        This sentence proves, for one thing, that you have no idea of what a socialist is, and have never met one.

        For another it proves that you have not bothered to read the ACA.

        Give it a read. You might learn something.

  • peter

    Those who think that they are in for a free ride are in for a huge shock. Sarah Palin is right here. One gets very little for a dime these days and nothing for free. The government has proved beyond doubt that it is hopelessly inefficient at managing it’s debt so how it plans to handle a national medical scheme is beyond the imagination of even the most ardent supporter, surely! When are folks going to underswtand that somewhere, somehow services need to be paid for and when more money is going out than is coming in, there just might be a problem, unless of course one’s name is Bernanke.

  • Glenn

    This is a superb article. The best written, plain english, brass knuckles description in brief, of where we are headed if we don’t slow this monstrosity down. Most of this explains why the liberals like public education. Liberal agendas, the ignorance of the constitution, allows the liberals to breed a new type of useful idiot that can pull a lever for a guy who will give then free things. They were never educated as to where their freebies are coming from. The country is split down the center which means this new liberal policy is gaining strength, at least up until 2008. The silver lining is the creation of the tea party, the pocket constitutions that are being purchased, and the re-education of America’s law that prohibits the government, not the people. This is going to be one wild ride and a hell of a battle to save our country.

    • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

      Well stated Glenn . I superbly believe the Tea party will have the most impact with a lost art of something called the TRUTH.

      • Sanders

        And FISCAL SANITY! Something most of our elected officials, Demorat and Republicrap(Rinos), know little or nothing about or at least refuse to practice it.

  • sesame

    It may be an economic impossibility, but it is always a potential political possibility if enough people want to go that way. Strangely enough, even Von Mises thought that government provided heath care was desirable. Maybe he had too many lunches with Maynard Keynes in their mutual admiration society.. One advantage of putting everyone under Medicare as opposed to Obamacare, is that it would take much of the cost off the shoulders of business and allow it to compete better against foreign corporations that don’t have a direct medical insurance cost burden,

    • cawmun cents

      Yeah,but what happens when you run out of OP’s money?

  • GraemeB

    It’s interesting that the US has the highest healthcare costs in the industrialised world yet have over 50 million with no coverage. The US costs roughly $7,850 per person compared to the terrible socialists to the North who cost $3,837 per person. And that’s with all people covered. Ask a Canadian how much a doctor’s visit costs or have an MRI or bloodwork done, and they will look at you askance, because these costs are all covered under the same systems. Ask them what their premiums cost, they do not have any. They are covered by a general sales tax, from coast to coast. If you are told otherwise, you are being lied to.
    When Brandon Smith says Canada has a debt of 1.1 trillion, that includes all public debt, federal and provincial. He is correct to state that the US total is close to 120 trillion for all public debt with cities and states verging on bankruptcy.
    Socialism hasn’t brought EU to it’s knees. It has been unbridaled and unregulated banking system which has brought the US close to bankruptcy. The problem hasn’t been addressed and we are still seeing the JP Morgans and Barclays of this system continuing to jeopardize the whole world economy.

    • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

      Graemeb Its obvious you never lived in Canada and never tried to maintain a buisness in same.. It takes a mouth with an idiot running it to spout off crap you know nothing about.

      • GraemeB

        Gottaplenty: The figures I gave are from published data. Healthcare costs in Germany are even lower, in the $2,825 per person region. The facts that I’ve given regarding charges and premiums are totally correct. The old bugaboo about wait times are false. If you need a knee replacement you will have to wait 6 to 18 months. If you have a heart attack, you’re in the hospital without any delay. And there are no preconditions either.

        You need to get the real facts, not the lies that the politicians are telling you. The system in the US is the most expensive in the Western world. The system in Canada will not bankrupt you because some lackey in an insurance office thinks you don’t deserve coverage. And to think that 52 million Americans cannot get insurance in the richest country in the world, is a disgrace. Look at Mitch Connell on Fox and Boehmer on ABC and they could not give an answer to what they would do instead of Obamacare. Look at Backman refusing to give a straight answer on CNN. They have no plan and no intention of fixing the system.

        • Jim

          All three that you have mentioned have proposed some simple, cost effective alternatives:
          1. Make Health Insurance competitive across state lines
          2. Reduce/eliminate frivolous malpractice litigation (tort reform)

          …and more in s short document called H.R. 1286, the Healthcare Fiscal Accountability Act of 2011. Not a 2,700 page document by Oblunder that “we have to pass so we can find out what’s inside.” (quote from an idiot)

          If you go to any of their websites you will find you will find their proposed solutions and alternatives to Oblundercare, and ones that do not impose mandates, penalties, or increase taxes. All while NOT defunding $500M from Medicare, which Oblundercare does.

      • GraemeB

        Gottaplenty: I forgot to mention that I curently own two businesses in Canada, have run healthcare facilities there, so I do happen to know something whereof I speak. Methinks that you don’t know what you are talking about and have never lived in Canada

      • http://none Claire

        GraemeB–I appreciate your comments.

      • Sanders


        If what you are saying is true about your intimate knowledge of Canadas health system, then perhaps you can enlighten us all as to the facts surrounding all the myths(or not myths) of how long of a waiting list one is put on waiting for much needed medical attention including surgery, MRI’s and other diagnostic procedures.

    • Brandon Smith

      Sorry, but business in the EU is HIGHLY regulated. The problem is, certain businesses get a free pass, like particular global banks. Why? Because socialist European governments gave them that pass. Also, where do you think a large portion of the EU’s debts come from? Government’s have to SPEND in order to create that debt, and they have to spend outrageous sums in order to reach credit default territory. The banks are nefarious indeed, but vast entitlement programs and welfare are the primary culprit behind the national debt downgrades in the EU. Where do you think most of their expenses come from? Socialism is very much to blame.

  • Mountain Saint

    Obamcare was set up to provide free healthcare for the 38,000,000 illegal aliens and their families. …Who is going to pay for it? the strinking Middle Class? The young people?…Already half of the country is some kind of welfare and the other half overburdened paying for the unemployed or underemployed half….The illegal aliens are stealing nearly 100% of all new low-end jobs, preventing our people from landing jobs (most recent college graduates can’t even find work). ..The big question- who is going to pay for the illegal aliens’ free health care?

    • cawmun cents

      Dont worry too much,those illegals will be one of the two wolves voting for who is for dinner.
      If you feel like you are being seen as a mutton chop,you are probably correct.

    • tlgeer

      Illegals cannot be a part of the ACA. Period.

      Try actually reading the ACA, instead of repeating the drivel that you are told.

      • Jim

        You just made the point and don’t even understand how, so let me explain…

        Oblunder also wants amnesty for people who have illegally entered this country and stayed. Once they are granted citizenship, they will get free healthcare. In this way, he will “buy” their votes.

        Don’t you see that coming???

        • needfulthings

          And WHY NOT JIM, Your Myth maker “ronnie start wars ray-gun” gave AMNESTY to over THREE MILLION which lead to ELEVEN MILLION MORE showing up!
          Just a little HONESTY would be in-line here.

  • Wayne

    Sadly, our society did not agree or even come close to agreeing on Socialism. Our government decided that for us. Now it’s time for society to take back control and let the freedom ring.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The American “society” did agree to Socialism. You have not overtly seen the paths it took but all the “do good” and “feeling sorry for the whomevers” organizations that ever existed or exist one step at a time got us to this day. Charities attempted to get rid of poverty and vice but could not make headway. The bright boys and ladies and the super duper Liberal religionists then used the government entities to abolish poverty and sin. They failed and are failing now.
      It does not matter to Liberals if all Liberties are abolished as long as they feel that they made society equal.

      • Sanders

        Yep, Communism at it’s best. The very thing that thousands of our Military personnel have died fighting to prevent the spread of this disease.

  • Jon

    Socialism never works. Anyone with enough brains and education to read more than the TV Guide knows this. But that doesn’t keep tyrants from pushing it in country after country. That cycle has been repeated for over 3000 years. And our descendants, if any, will be able to read about America’s failure.

  • Howard Roark

    Fredrick Bastiat described socialism to a tee. He said “Socialism is the great fiction under which each citizen tries to live at the expense of all the others”

  • Howard Roark

    Human nature screws up socialism every time. back in the fiftys California decided to be kind to its poor citizens and raised the amount of welfare payment to a very high level. the response was predictable. people from all over the country flocked to California to enjoy the great benifits without working for them. the California legislature said we tried to be kind and they took advantage of us. they even went as far as to pay for a stuby to find out what happened DUH.

  • Rasta

    Let’s not build highways or provide for defense because that’s socialistic. Let’s not do anything for the common good because that’s socialistic as well.

    • Howard Roark

      SCOTUS in US vs. Butler ruled that the US Constitution has never been meant to allow Government to take money from one citizen or group of citizens and give it to another citizen or group of citizens. they did rule however that it is permissible for Government to spend for the common good as long as it benefits all citizens equally. such as National Defence fire and police protection etc. Obamma care takes money from some citizens so that other citizens can get health care for nothing.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You cannot reconcile the human parasitic behaviours and the coming together of producers to build the basic infrastructure.
      You are not overly bright if you cannot tell the difference.

      • Howard Roark

        Well said. thank you.

    • Howard Roark

      Scotus also ruled in Loan association vs. Topeka that when Government takes money from one citizen and gives it to another, even though it is called taxation, it is theft non the less.

      • Richard

        Again, Frederi Bastiat called taxation not for the common benefit legal PLUNDER.

  • Chris Condon

    Brandon Smith is right on the money. What apparently fools most people into believing that Obamacare might indeed happen is the fact that the mainstream media are talking constantly about it. But of course that proves nothing. After all, the media can if they want to talk about my forthcoming election as Pope. They can air extensive programs discussing what my policies will be after I become Pope and the significance of my being the first American pope. In this way they might convince people that I really might become Pope.

  • SJJolly

    Excellent economic analysis. Brandon Smith should also do an analysis of how well the Tea Party supported program of unregulated free market capitalism would work. Personally, I suspect that allowing ever more of the nation’s wealth and income to become concentrated into ever fewer hands will be viable only if coupled with some form of citizens’ dole — state socialism — as the workers in this country are also the main purchasers of the goods and services offered for sale.
    Q: What happens in a game of Monopoly when one player has all the money and property? A: The game can’t continue. Unless the one person hangs out “free” money.

  • Steve

    This is a very good and objective article.

    The one thing I need to point out is, when it mentions “interdependency” it should have said “co-dependency”. Interdependency is generally connoted as the prosperous interaction of two or more elements. Clearly, as you read the article, it should have said co-dependency.

    codependency |ˌkōdəˈpendənsē|
    excessive emotional or psychological reliance on a partner, typically a partner who requires support due to an illness or addiction

  • Craig V Wettstein

    I have a question for you Democrats”

    I’m looking to register as a Democrat, how does this work,….. Do I get a Republican, Independent, or Libertarian of my own that takes care of me, or do we just draw our resources from a central pool of productive people? O___O

    • Steve L.


      • Katrael

        Steve L., the tax code? Private corporations and business don’t pay taxes and never will. They have to build the cost of any tax back into the cost of products and services that the consumer buys. In essence the consumer pays those taxes then pays a sales tax on top of those hidden taxes. There is no business or individual who can continually spend more money than they take in so those taxes have to be covered out of revenue generated by sales. That’s life. Everybody, including businesses, have a right to a profit no matter how large that profit is. That’s a fact of life.

      • Katrael

        Steve L., my apology, I thought you were speaking about corporate and business tax. As far as the tax on the wealthy? What in your opinion should be the real tax rate on the wealthy?

    • cawmun cents

      To you Mr.Wettstein,
      A toast!
      For clarifying the know your role and shut your hole clause in the DNC.

    • Deerinwater

      I thought that I responded to your crass posting earlier? Are my post being removed? ~

      Why does these self proclaimed poor ass white people act and think like a House Black with it comes to the wealthy and corporate america?

      Do you believe he is going “give you something” ? ~ Do you think he really cares about you and your family?

  • Sally Jo

    What the government and corporations have done to this country is what we are seeing. The off-shoring off jobs, high medical costs, high insurance costs, overspending in government and salaries, large corporation salaries, as it is filtering from the bottom up. These corporations and government have made these decisions, and now they have to deal with the consequences. It is not the american people’s fault. It’s the decisions that have been made for us. It is not the un-employed fault they are out of work. They brought it all out of country. What do you expect? Nothing will happen until they FEEL what is going on, and there is no money being put into the government anymore. How can you pay taxes without a job?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      All that you mention are symptoms of a disease of a nation.

      • Sally Jo

        Yep. Sad when the disease of greed takes over.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        No. It is envy and coveting.

    • Katrael

      Sally Jo, Everybody is to blame for the situation that we are in. You said, “It is not the american people’s fault.” First of all, all of our politicians are “american people” as they have to be citizens here to hold office. Second, do you really believe that greed stops at the corporate level that just because a person is poor that they can’t be greedy? Third, the people sat by and watched as their elected officials imposed regulation after regulation that drove up the cost of doing business in this country to the point that making a profit to stay in business was almost impossible here and still compete with the flood of cheap foreign products coming into this country that the “american people” bought because they could save a few cents and Damn the corporations that were here in favor of overseas corporations. So they went there to stay alive and provide what the “american people” wanted: cheap crap.

      Every where I look I see lazy people with a entitlement mentality that only want someone else to take responsibility for them. I see the poor person suffering from diabetes and other physical problems and when the doctor says “don’t eat pork” they turn their back on that advice and eat it anyway. Or when the doctor says “stop smoking” and the next week the patient is in the emergency room (they’re on some kind of government program) because they can’t breath and the doctor told them that this is what’s going to happen if they didn’t quit smoking their only reply is “I’ve been smoking for 50 years and don’t intend to stop.” I know these are not isolated cases that I’m talking about it just happens to be two of the many things I’ve seen out there. I’ve been amongst the poor most of my life and I see how they think.

      “and there is no money being put into the government anymore.” This isn’t true either. There are still vast amounts of money pouring into the treasuries of this nation it’s just that you don’t understand where this currency is coming from. Much of it is corporate tax that you pay when you buy products and services. The taxes coporations pay are built into the costs of those products and services and then you turn around and pay a sales tax on top of all of those corporate taxes that you don’t understand or see in the cost of the products and services you buy.

      One thing I do agree whole heatedly with is “How can you pay taxes without a job?” Maybe the real question should be “how can you pay taxes without currency?” There are other ways to generate income other than to have a job. Start a business. The problem with starting a business is getting past all of the government regulations and fees necessary to start one. Do some homework on this subject and if that won’t scare you spit less then nothing will. People feel that corporations and businesses are bottomless pits for wages and benefits but those wages and benefits have to be paid out of business income or the business goes broke. When that happens there no jobs. People want “jobs” because they wrongly feel that a job means “security”. There is no guarantee of “security” no matter what you do. The government can’t guarantee “everybody’s” security even though many people wrongly feel that it’s the government’s job to do it.

      Sorry for this long rant but I can’t stand to see people blaming everybody but themselves for the problems we created. Many people have been fighting this pernicious trend for over a century. Stop blaming everyone else, take responsibility and live well and prosper.

      • Jim

        Good rant, and I may add one more thing (it will be short)…

        People don’t realize that corporations and small businesses are not in business to create jobs. They are in business to create profits and earn money. When the business is doing well and thriving, then it expands. When it expands, new jobs are required to maintain the business, keep it profitable, and grow. No matter what anyone says, the only way to “create jobs” is to stimulate growth of these businesses. When the government raises the cost of doing business (taxes, regulations, etc.) it cripples the businesses ability to compete and grow, the result being the loss of jobs. The only way the government “creates jobs” is by adding bureaucracy, for example, the 1,600 new IRS agents responsible for enforcing Oblundercare.The government does not “earn” money; it takes money (taxes) to fund bureaucracy, so in the end, Big Government = Big Spending = Higher Taxes.

        • Katrael

          Jim, that’s a pretty good equation at the end of your post.

      • Sally Jo

        No problem in writing your comment. You mentioned start a business, then the regulations to start a business is depressing. Taking the risk in starting one is more than than the business. Besides, why should there be so much government. The government should not be a business and now it is. They raise their taxes for their business in making $$ too. They are meant to help the people. Their salaries are way to high. In Jesus day they never like the tax collectors then…same energy.

        • Katrael

          Sally Jo as you say, the government was meant to help the people but it wasn’t meant to take care of them from the cradle to the grave. The price for security is the loss of freedom.

  • RichE

    Is Capitalism a form of government?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      No. But it is a mindset that expects people to strive and produce and keep the government growth to a minimum. It also curtails human parasitism from spreading.

      • cawmun cents

        Socialism can be loosely described as all for one,one for all,and every man for himself.

      • Deerinwater

        And who’s to pass judgement who’s the human parasitism ? A Vulture like Mitt Romney?

      • Katrael

        Nadzieja Batki, I think you hit the nail on the head. Most people don’t understand their own natures.

  • hedy

    you are the idiot , you dont even know what socialism is, it will not work, and wy shouild work , and give my money to some lasy bum liand idiot like you , learn about scosialism and then talk to me , all of you americans dont know what you are vothing fore, it sounds very nise and goad, all of you will find out what disaster you going to get , i spick from exspirience , GOD HELP YOU ALL

    • Steve L.


    • Rasta

      No it’s you who do not know. We have been a socialistic society from the very beginning.!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        As you sure that you even know what country you are living in?

  • Louis Lemieux

    Income Inequality Is America’s Biggest Challenge: United Nations Economist, Howard Friedman.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Is that what you put your faith in, someone from the UN?

    • Sally Jo

      Income Inequality Is America’s Biggest Challenge: United Nations Economist, Howard Friedman.
      Soooooo. true. Right on!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What is your physical age and your mental age? Somewhere in the vicinity of 13.

      • Sanders

        So what are you waiting for Louis and Sally. Just move to China or North Korea where communism is alive and well where everybody gets paid the same amount regardelss of what they do for a living. Equality at it’s finest.

        • Sally Jo

          Calm down Sanders. Equality in our corporations. I don’t think you know what is going on in America today.

      • Sanders

        OK Sally. I have lived in America all my 52 years of life. I don’t understand what you mean, “Equality in our corporations”.
        As Desi Arnes would say, “You’ve got some splainin to do”!

    • Katrael

      Louis Lemieux, why is income inequality a problem that we should be concerned about?

  • FreedomFighter

    Time for men to be men and stand up on them hind legs.

    Our government has failed us and is corrupt, our leaders bought and paid for, our judical system comprimised, our department of justice run by an america hating crimnal that runs drugs and guns, we are surrounded by one-worlder fanatics implementing Agenda 21 and eugenics programs…

    Time to take a stand or watch our children enslaved by a communist/facist totalitarian regime

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Louis Lemieux

      One or two bad pages in a book doesn’t mean the whole book is bad. I really think that’s the way you erroneously feel about our country and the US government.

      • FreedomFighter

        You commies can bite my arse.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Deerinwater

        (offensive comment removed)

    • Sanders

      Well said and very accurate, Freedom. Keep up the good work.

  • Waldeck Charles

    Your view of Socialism is distorted. If you are able to be what you are today is thanks to some form of socialism that you have enjoyed throughout your life. The public school system, the police, the army are socialistic in their functioning. So your article is based on false fears of a system that you already enjoyed and benefit from. I see paranoia and pessimism in your dissertation. Frankly I think people like you need mental help ASAP

    • Jim

      I wouldn’t use the public school system as the model that you suggest is so good. The public school system in the USA, while some may believe is well-intended, only serves to teach children to be dependent on the government. The school system is by-and-large liberal, and it takes kids with real brains to figure it out. Thankfully there are still plenty of them around.

      • Louis Lemieux

        The public school system in the USA is well-intended, it serves to teach children among many things that a good government is dependent upon well informed voters, not the other way around. We have the governments that we deserve to have!

      • David169

        I went to the public school system in California during the early 60s. Yes, it was liberal and bordering on communistic. The true nature of the schools was custodial. I did my homework while many just showed up without books or finished work. They graduated on the 1.0 program (Complimentary D-) and got a priority into any college. As long as they went to 75% of the classes they were not required to turn in work or take tests. They went to dental, medical and law schools and got passed along attending 75% of their classes and taking no tests or turning in no work. They were not required to take state boards or bar exams. Their licenses were handed to them. Then they were unleashed on the public with barely any more knowledge than they possessed when they started nineth grade. What a system!!!! Then Bakke sued and put an end to the discrimination.

        • Jim

          The scary thing is that these are the people who are either being elected into office, or are continuing to vote for politicians who will continue to give them the free ride.

          Case in point – I know a girl has 3 kids from three different fathers. She had a job and got laid off a couple of years ago. Until then, she was getting by on her income (doing okay) plus whatever money she could squeeze out of the trash that left her with the kids, which wasn’t much (it was her fault to begin with – drugs and drinking). But I have to give her credit for trying and getting by, in a house that she somehow managed to buy.

          After she got laid off and her unemployment benefit ran out, she got on welfare. got food stamps, a government-paid cell phone, and is now in school to be a nurse. She is far better off living off of the government (= taxpayers) than she was before. Oblunder effectively bought her vote for the next election. Does anyone think that she, or others in her situation would vote out the guy that is paying her mortgage, gas, food, education, healthcare, clothing, and even cell phone???

          It is a total disgrace. I’m glad that we live in a country where we look out for each other, and I am quite sure that there are some that truly need the assistance. If she had any kind of relationship with her family, they would be happy to help, but she has completely alienated herself from them and is out of their good graces. She’s smart. She can find a job.

          I think that gov’t handout recipients should take drug tests to get the benefits. Why not? most of us who are employed either had to be tested or get random drug tests. They should do something to earn the money that they are getting. Learn a trade that will make them productive, while earning their government check.

          Oh, and by the way, she also got an income tax refund…

      • Deerinwater

        David169 says:
        July 3, 2012 at 3:08 pm
        I went to the public school system in California during the early 60s. Yes, it was liberal and bordering on communistic.”

        David, it’s an institution ~ offering a structured, learning environment. That does not make anything “Communist”.

      • Sanders

        All depends on the curriculum.

    • Brandon Smith


      Typical pro-socialist response. You dance around the facts, tell me I’m wrong, offer erroneous comparisons, and refuse to directly confront the points made in the article.

      First off, public school is a joke. I and most people I know learned nothing until we exited the federally controlled education system. I meet homeschooling parents now regularly, and their children are FAR more intelligent than average public school child victims. I wish I had the advantage of a homeschool education.

      Secondly, how exactly are you defining “Socialism”? Do you even know what socialism is? Socialism is, primarily, the governmental administration of once PRIVATE business and economy. The military is NOT a socialist institution. Please educate yourself before making such embarrassing statements.

      Finally, all of the programs you describe are deeply mismanaged, indebted, or are generating liabilities that are crushing this country’s infrastructure.

      So tell me again, what is so great about big government? Oh, and, where are we going to get the money to pay for Obamacare?

      • Sanders

        They will have to abolish all the other federal health systems and ancillary service agencies in order to move closer to their coveted single payer system. That will probably include VA coverage as well. They will need all the money they can get to support the infrastucture necessary to run such a huge bureaucracy. Theres another several billion $’s of taxes needed from the ever shrinking private sector economy to pay exhorbitant wage and benefit packages.

  • dcjdavis

    If you do not think you’re a peon in the eyes of the elite, visit the White House on your next vacation. What you see will convince you.

  • Waldeck Charles

    Also did you know that Obamacare was modeled after Romnycare and both were program designed by the Hertage Foundation, a conservatist think tank? So, your worries are ill- funded. Obamacare is a market driven pro capitalist product with a bias towards consumers protection rights. The big insurance industry should be angry not us the consumers…in its full implementation it is better for the consumers of medical insurance products.

    • Jim

      Then I hope that we can count on you to vote for Romney…

      • Steve L.

        Vote for romney when he is attacking Obama for the very healthcare program he started in his own state. Sure,that’s the guy. The difference between Obama care and the republicans is Obamacare included a way to pay for it. Not like the Bush $ 67.000.000 a year perscription drug plan that HAD NO WAY TO PAY FOR IT. That’s why they chose Mitts insurance model, to prove that some people will fight anything Obama does,even if it works, because they support their party more than the country.

        • Yankee

          You (chose to) know only orne side of the story. The one told by Michael Moore, et. a.. For that reason i putty yo and worry about the future of the USA because there are many others who, like you, are confused.

  • David169

    To Brandon Smith,
    I thank you for the wonderful article. It articulates what many of us know but cannot put into words. I have read all of the comments prior to this post. This article is only missing the actual numerical cause of our downfall. I believe you should list where all the money has gone; wars, entitlements, civil rights, foreign aid, unconstitutional bureaus and pork barrel programs starting from where we went off the gold standard. Please add interest as you carry forward the expenses. Perhaps if some of the other readers were to see by actual expenses and how our government has bankrupted this nation they would understand the depth of the problem.
    This month should be the month that alerts everyone. By my calculations this month, based on an annual budget, the US government will have to borrow 50% of the budget just to make ends meet. Our said another way our government will spend, starting this month, twice what it brings in. Each month this will increase exponentially.

    • Jim

      And THAT is the “Inconvenient Truth.”

      People who think that they are getting free this or free that from the gov’t (like Healthcare) do not realize that SOMEONE HAS TO PAY. And that someone is the middle class American.

      Another thing people who constantly demonize big business fail to recognize is that increasing taxes on business only hurts the consumer, not the business. This is because the evil businesses are in money to make a profit (it’s called capital). When profits erode due to increased taxation, the tax burden is passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. The uber rich can afford it. The uber poor weren’t buying it anyway, or were paying for it with welfare or food stamps. So the part of society who pays the biggest burden is the middle class. People also don’t realize that the biggest profiteer from the oil industry is the government. It’s easy to prove – just look into how much per gallon is taxed. You pay more tax per gallon than gasoline.

      • Sanders

        Liberals will read this and think you are high on GOP propaganda drugs. But you have hit the nail on the head. Good post.

    • Deerinwater

      “People who think that they are getting free this or free that from the gov’t (like Healthcare) do not realize that SOMEONE HAS TO PAY. And that someone is the middle class American.”

      The inconvenient truth is ~ This is exactly what “the Affordable Heath Care act” works to address, mandating that people pay for basic health care or be subjected to tax which in turn with help pay for health care. What is it about that, that seems to be confusing?

  • http://BarbaraLeiss Barbara Leiss

    Ron Paul succeeded in having the Federal Reserve Audited, we talk about Obama running for president or Romney being the one to oust Obama. Think about it ! Neither
    Romney or Obama requested Auditing the Fed. Who do you think should win the presidency? I think Ron Paul would fight for us, but I feel if he did win the election, chances are that he would be assassinated before long. This is the way of the powerful elite.

    • Steve L.

      How is ron paul going to break the stranglehold the lobbyist have on our congress. Rarely do any of these people blame congress who has a nine point approval rating to Obama’s 48.

  • Lucinda Sutherland

    Stop calling people names and figure out how to clean up the insurance system and maybe, just “maybe” some checks on the medical system – ie., convince doctors that they are not gods and that they should not be removing gallbladders and performing hysterectomies simply because they want a vacation home in Aspen. Provide a REAL fix for the crumbling system. Name calling doesn’t bring any happy people to the table.

    • Steve L.

      its because they have no ideas

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Somehow you are privy to how all doctors in the whole of the United States work and live. Except for one minor detail, you are a bloomin’ liar.

      • Karolyn

        Oh, please, Nadzieja. Surely you’ve gotten wind of all of the unnecessary surgeries, test and procedures? How about all the unnecessary c-sections? Overused medications? Keep the patient happy; just give him a pill. That’s what all the Big Pharma adversiting is all about, and too many doctors play right along.

      • GregS

        Any “wind” that’s been “gotten” comes from those lefties who are trying to cram ObamaTAXCare down everyone’s throat!

    • David

      Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is, Lucinda? How about YOU offer a solution that works instead of expecting other people to offer solutions that fit your particular ideal?

      • Deerinwater

        So where is your solution, ~ are you attacking and defending insurance companies. It sound like it.

        There is a solution, it’s called The Affordable Health Care act. ~ if you don’t like it, you don’t have to precipitate but you do need to be responsible and invest it your health care without some other tax payer carrying your responsibility for you.

      • David


        So, according to your stunted logic, we have to accept any solution Obama offers, regardless of the fact that it is doomed to fail, because the current system does not fit your personal ideal? You have yet to produce any rational reason to support Obamacare beyond the fact that you don’t like the current system.

    • Zana

      The hardest working profession on Earth, yet the most sued. While you sleep at night, we run around on call, covering 4-5 hospitals at the same time. And then continue our day job. Obummer taught you well at the beginning sayng that doctors will take tonsils out unnecessarily just to charge 25K. That is 1,200 to be more precise. And one thing that he cannot even begin to understand is honesty that every doctor has, because we CARE about life. So if you know ANY surgeon that has taken the gallbladder or the uterus out just to have the home in Aspen, you can sue him/her out of there over night. You have bigger problems to be concerned about… like Obamacare. Let us see how many students will go into medicine now.

  • Ivan

    Dear American Brothers,
    I two hours to read analysis and commentary.
    Waste of time.
    I live 60 years in Eastern Europe.
    My humble opinion is as follows:
    America to enter the tunnel of the American dream.
    When you come out of the tunnel you are in China.
    All you have to know and with the fear-you (expletive deleted).
    And you know why?
    Democracy does not exist!

  • Aaron Freeman

    For those that refuse to learn the lessons of history, they shall be doomed to repeat them… Europe has had socialism since 1871 (Bismarck was horrified by what he saw in Paris in 1871, so he created Realpolitik… institutionalised reforms in Germany! Merkel is finally trying to retire these “reforms!”), and they’ve been slowly driving their economies into the ground. And now, “progressives” (from this point on, refer to them as regressive; they’re trying to take us back to the mid 19th Century failed politics!) want to institute this nonsense in our country! I guess they didn’t get the memo about surrendering liberty for security! Eventually, all socialist regimes collapse; I forsee this regime collapsing exactly like what happened in Romania in 1989! Civil war, anyone?

    • David169

      Socialism will never work because of human nature. It was the one item that brought down Sparta in 400 BC. Every person who pays their bills must decide before they spend if what they want is a “want” or a “need”. If they work hard and only buy the “needs” they prosper. When socialism is in place people take all the “wants” the system will allow and if items are given for the asking or for perceived “need” the incentive to work is destroyed.

    • Sanders

      Civil war will probably come, right after the race war had ended and that isn’t far off with the speed at which Obummer, Holder and the MSM are working.

      • Deerinwater

        Well Sanders, why don’t you start it today and take charge?

      • Sanders

        Nope. I’m not a radical, just prepared to defend when and if needed. I’m in no way excited about the possibility either.

    • Steve L.

      And how is what just happened here already not just as bad. You know full throttle capitalism, greed the driving force, transfer of wealth from the middle to the top. That’s why there is a pyramid on the dollar,the many at the bottom to support the few at the top

  • coal miner
    Oct 12, 2008 … [Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. …. with “charm” so Palin could have done the same thing if she wasnt an idiot. …

    • coal miner
      Apr 30, 2012 … One of McCains top political advisors talks about Sarah Palin.

    • coal miner

      “‘Refudiate,’ ‘misunderestimate,’ ‘wee-wee’d up.’ English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!’” ~ Sarah Palin
      Give em hell Sarah.Ha ha ha ha.Show them your ignorance.

      • coal miner

        I almost forgot fungible commodity.

  • Benjamin Fox

    To believe the subject of this article, is dumb, stupid and childish without education, it is happening before our eyes and to say it can’t be done is a ploy to fool the idiots.

  • Sherry

    What I find most sad out of all this is that most people will not “get it” until they go to their doctor and are told they need surgery immediately….but there’s a six-month waiting list. By then, it will be too late.

    • http://none Claire

      Sherry–this situation you speak of is happening to my son now.

      • Karolyn

        Health be damned! The health insurance companies will do everything in their power to get away with paying out less. Not only that, but they delay payment for ridiculous amounts of time. Your son is in good company, Claire. I’ve seen many such cases spotlighted on TV. Can anything be done about it? You would think so. There should be guidelines they have to adhere to. Think positive, Claire.

      • http://none Claire

        Karolyn: As you know, my Bob passed away January 30th. I am still receiving sporadic Blue Cross Blue Shield supplement summaries of payments made to the doctors. He had so many doctors it was mindboggling. I am having one hell of a time keeping track to make sure payments have not been duplicated. No, I do not trust doctors anymore, if I ever did!!! I am still amazed that people think everything is so wonderful with the medical profession/system. Just wait until something happens to them–and I pray no one ever experiences what my husband went through–the botched surgeries, the many doctors he had that prescribed medicine like it was going out of style. Since he had so many doctors, I tried to make sure chest x-rays, CT scans, MRIs, anything and everything was not duplicated. Believe me, I can see why Medicare is in the mess it is in. Senior citizens must be careful and be observant of everything concerning medical care. There already is an attitude that the elderly have “outgrown their usefulness.” The so-called “death panels” are already in force and have been for a number of years. Just wait until the younger people become “senior citizens.” Their eyes will finally be opened. Mine were. It is tragic that some do not gain this insight until they are old. It never ceases to amaze me that the day Bob died, the cops arrived first, then the fire engine, then the ambulance. One would think the ambulance would arrive first.
        And I will make this additional comment and it will stir up a hornet’s nest but I do not give a rat’s rump. I am writing my true thoughts and feelings about the situation and I no longer worry or care about stepping on someone’s toes. My husband’s primary care physician was from India. All the doctors she referred my husband to were from India. He had one American doctor-the guy that was in cardiology. Hell yes, I am bitter. The 2 botched surgeries were the beginning of the end of my husband’s life. We had 52 years together, which is a long time but I wanted more years together. God how I miss him.

    • Deerinwater

      So we such have surgery on demand even if you can’t pay for it out of your pocket.

      The true being, if your son could pay for this needed surgery without all the middle men, he could get it within days or hours. Would that be that be accurate to say?

      • http://none Claire

        Deer–the doctors said the surgery would cost around $100,000.00 and they would deal with the insurance company. The 3 stints in the left main artery are blocked, the other 2 stints in other veins are doing okay. He is on a lot of medication, and the doctors said if he experiences any chest pain, to go to ER. So this tells me the insurance company would prefer a person to become very ill , possibly near death’s door before they pay?? The insurance company is dragging their feet.The point I am trying to make is that insurance companies sure want their money but they don’t like to pay for care. And you are correct, if a person has the money to pay for it themselves, then it would be done sooner but the doctors told my son to wait. I will also add that there should be early care, yearly physicals—-catch it before it is life-threatening or whatever. I would think this would be more cost-effective for the insurance companies.

  • Deerinwater

    Socialism “is an economic system” characterised by social ownership and/or control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy,[1] and a political philosophy advocating such a system.

    “Social ownership” may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises.[2]

    There are many variations of socialism and as such there is no single definition encapsulating all of socialism.[3] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets versus planning, how management is to be organised within economic enterprises, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[4]

    A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5]

    [6] Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.

    So we would prefer an unsocialist “economy”

    or are we even attempting to discuss the economy at all?

    I don’t believe that we are, ~ we are discussing “unhappy that we cannot have everything our way” and what and who’s to blame.

    • David


      So, tell us, how we will be able to pay for Obamacare? Where is the money going to come from?

      • Deerinwater

        Well David , are you not being asked to make a personal commitment and invest in Health Care for yourself and if you fail to do so will be offered “incentives” by way of a tax that will defray some of the cost if the state finds it necessary to provide for you?

        Is that not at least better then the way it was? Where the state and local government picked up the tab finding someone incapable too?

        It’s by no means perfect by a stretch, but better then it was.

        Today, ER care (some of the most expensive medical care you might buy) has became a “catch-all” for ear aches, to gun shot wounds.

        Our Emergence Rooms (ER) are being misuse, while they don’t or cannot refuse care.

        (actually that is debatable, but allow me to say, “They are not suppose to)” .

        Today we have people waiting 4 6,8 hours to get treated in ER all across the nation for illness the most basic of health care could have avoided.

        The medical Insurance providers are being asked to package and offer low end products that offer the most basic care. Sore throats, skin rash, colds, URI, poles, gout, thrush, ~ ingrown toe nails ~ ~ If people need a new head transplant, ~ forget it! you are toast, you are going to die.

        Insurance companies are not wanting to do this, ~ it’s messy, troublesome and the profits will be smaller. We can’t blame them, but hey ~ everything they touch can’t offer lucrative profits. Every plumber would enjoy all his customer being wealthy but the facts are, rich and poor alike requires their service, We plumbers and air-conditioning men accept it as part of our job, ~ we work for everybody. While rich mans crap is just as nasty as a poor mans and the basic materials cost is the same, we find ourselves having to make “adjustments” in our labor cost in order to serve everyone. ~ or just make a donation and give it away, in special cases we feel compelled too, while at years end we must make a profit.

        These insurance companies have spent millions and millions of dollars in an attempt to stop “Affordable Heath Care” ~ Maybe they need to get into another business all together if the direct of the industry does not suit them,

        Everyone can be like myself, pay out of pocket for health care ~ or accept you could die over something that would cost a few thousand dollars to correct.

        A simple broke leg could cost you 4 to 9 thousand dollars, Gall Bladder removal $13,000.00, out patient ~ in and out 3 hours max.

        People need to be insured to at least 30 thousand dollars at today’s medical care rates. While willing to accept, ~ if it cost more money then that, you better find a sponsor and some people that think “well” of you, or you are going to die.

        This is already happening everyday, special case do find sponsors to help with medical cost. You must qualify as a candidate for this finical help ~ so do you think these sponsorship’s as death panel, ~ theses churches and private charities?

        What should such a policy cost?

    • Sanders


      The bottom line message from your description of Socialism, to me and most other true conservatives, “windless sails”. It all lessons the likelihood of desire to succeed, for “what’s in it for me other than the same for those who do nothing to earn it?”. To some like you that may sound greedy, to me that makes perfect sense. Hunger is a great incentive to earn your keep, and desire is the greatest asset for acheiving wealth.

      • Deerinwater

        Well Sir/Madam, That is not my understanding of Socialism . ~ That is “The” definition” of socialism. Feel free to look it up as I did.

        Far be it of me to attempt to change , alter or relabel it for my pleasure and understanding. Once we start doing that, we will lose communication with each other (and that sort of explains what we see happening today). We both would want the same things, while our words fail to have the same meaning.

  • Jay

    The bible says that Jesus Christ is the biological descendent of King David and the ‘seed of the woman’ i.e. virgin born.

    The bible also says that there is a seed of the serpent i.e. a Satanic bloodline.

    Christians often take the part about the ‘seed of the woman’, Jesus Christ as literal truth. But they assume that the ‘seed of the serpent’ is talking figuratively about evil people who worship Satan.

    Yet, throughout history, the ruling class has always claimed that they are divine, and descendants of a supernatural master race. The current batch of Hollywood films are telegraphing the same idea: Clash of the Titans (Perseus) and Percy Jackson Lightning Thief.

    Fritz Springmeier’s book called “The 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati” was one of the most extensive pieces of research to investigate the family bloodlines who are pulling the reins of a coming one world government.

    In his publication, two of the dominant family bloodlines mentioned are the Rothschild’s and the Rockefellers. These families are part of a wider family network generally known as The “Black Nobility”

    According to the periodical Fortune in 1983, the wealth of the Rockefellers was spread amongst more than 200 companies.

    These companies include six of the largest industrial companies in America, six of the largest banks, five of the largest insurance companies and three of the largest companies from different branches (electricity, water, infrastructure, fruits, oil, gold, and others).

    Not including the remaining 180 other companies, the total assets of these twenty giants amount to 460 billion dollars. Now you can see the emergence of the David Rockefeller New World Order.

    The Rockefeller Foundation was established in 1913 to maintain the control of the family’s oil empire. Today this foundation is the most important shareholder of Exxon with 4.3 million shares. Additionally, the foundation has two million shares in Standard Oil of California and 300.000 shares in Mobil Oil.

    Other smaller foundations belonging to the Rockefellers have three million shares in Exxon, and 400.0 shares in Standard Oil of Ohio. The total asset of this group of Rockefeller companies, amount to more than fifty billion dollars.

    For a researcher who concentrates on the Rockefeller family, it won’t be difficult to prove that this immensely rich family has played an important role in the American politics of the twentieth century.

    The drift and decisions of American politics lead directly back to the Rockefeller family.

    The Rockefellers immigrated to America from Spain. The best-known member of this family was the influential industrialist, banker John Davidson Rockefeller. He asserted himself as the richest man of his time.

    Before going into oil transport, he was a wholesaler of narcotic drugs. With an unbridled energy, he set up the Standard Oil Trust, which now possesses ninety percent of the oil refineries in the United States.

    John Davidson Rockefeller also bought the Pocantico Hills territory in New York, which is the domicile of over a 100 families with the name Rockefeller.

    David Rockefeller, an absolute genius in the field of finances, has been managing Chase Manhattan Bank, the most important bank in the world, since 1945.

    The power of this bank is great enough to bring about or destroy governments, to start or end wars, and ruin companies or let them flourish worldwide, ultimately exerting great influence on the entire human race.

    The Rockefeller Foundation is known as a charitable organization that operates out of New York City. Officially it was established to “promote the well-being of mankind throughout the world”. In reality the Rockefeller Foundation is a decisive actor on the international stage.

    The many activities of the Rockefeller Foundation are not isolated items, each independent of the others.

    They all fall into a worldwide organization in the interests of the New World Order.

    Rest of article:

  • Icechilled

    First and foremost this is a personal opinion based upon the information I have been able to attain. Our current economic status shows that the top 20% of income earners in the United States control over 80% of the of the currency in the country. That gives the other 80% of income earners less than 20% to fight over. I have to agree that socialism cannot and will not survive in that type of economy. There are other alternatives to leaving people who cannot afford to feed their families and their families to die in poverty. That, in my opinion, should not happen in the wealthiest country in the world. The biggest misconception I found in this article is the poor are lazy.

    For example: John and Jane get married fresh out of high school. John gets a job as a trucker, and Jane is a convenience store cashier. They have three children. John spends most of his life for thirty years on the road to pay for his families house and utilities. Jane is still working for the same convenience store. John isn’t old enough to collect social security and doesn’t have a retirement plan through the company he drove for. He couldn’t make enough to support his family if he’d paid into retirement, and retirement wasn’t offered until his last ten years with his company anyway. On top of that to of John and Jane’s children still live with them, even though both of those children are employed. Their children are struggling harder than they did to make enough to move out. Is this laziness??? Or asking for a government hand out??? I am inclined not to think so. Do John and Jane deserve their poverty??? My answer is no.

    This scenario is more common than it seems. People work long hard hours to remain in poverty. We have a social structure in place in the form of public assistance but it only covers the truly poor. Once you make a cent over the national poverty line, there is no way up for you.

    This model is becoming more and more unsustainable as the years go by. As the world’s resources (oil, gold, copper, etc.) are drying up, our capitalist society is wasting them more. Do people care??? Of course not. We need to keep competing in the rat race or we will not be able to survive.

    In our rat race, we are practicing the trickle down economics theory. Give the wealthy and corporations more money and there will be more jobs and more money circulating in the economy. The problem with this theory is corporations are all about profit, and the wealthy cannot consume enough to make up the difference in their wealth.

    Corporations make their money by spending as little money as possible to produce and sell their product. Hiring more people does not make them more profit, it detracts from profit, unless there is a higher demand for their product. With many of the working class barely getting by, there isn’t an increase in demand, making job creation stagnant.

    Those with a great amount of wealth don’t consume much more than the rest of us. Yes, the wealthy may have many properties, multiple vehicles, high dollar tastes in consumables, etc. but there is no way they can consume as much of their income as some one in poverty or even the illusive middle class.

    I have come to these conclusions based on simple math, and information sourced from Harvard Business School, Duke University, and TED.

    • Yankee

      John and Jane should have planned better nd not ad three children.

    • Sanders


      You said, "The biggest misconception I found in this article is the poor are lazy." But this is true to a degree. You see it just like everybody else, unless you live a very sheltered life.

      You said, "Give the wealthy and corporations more money and there will be more jobs and more money circulating in the economy." Nobody is giving the wealthy and corporations any money, the govt just isnt taking(stealing) as much from them in the form of taxes to "help others". Then some of this new found wealth the corp. is now realizing can be rolled back into the business to grow it and provide more jobs and more incentive to grow even more due to additional wealth. You see, wealth is a great business incentive, which is why there are businesses in the first place.

      Then you said, "The problem with this theory is corporations are all about profit,". Well yea, why else would a corporation be in business?

      Then you said, "and the wealthy cannot consume enough to make up the difference in their wealth." That's why there are savings accounts and CD's and other investments that can be made with this money. And you know what, this money is then used to create more wealth by others via the banks loaning capital to other companies that in turn generate their own wealth. And the "vicious, evil" wealth building expands and takes over an entire nation. Oh, Dear Lord, I think I just described America in the industrial age. What a catastrophy that was, wouldn't you say?

      We, as a nation, need to do nothing more than return to the, relative to todays standards, much less unfettered business practices(minus some great environmental improvements) that helped make America the largest and most profitable business environment and country the world has ever known. That is why people from other nations flocked to the USA for years and brought with them their wisdom to help expand the economy and get wealthy doing so.

      When businesses were booming and unemployment was in the low 4% range, the economic system was, by and large, trickle down economics. When the top get wealthier, more jobs are generated, as a general rule, not always.

      • Sanders

        Hey, tell you all what. Do a google search on North Dakota’s economy right now. What they are practicing is, by and large, trickle down economics, and the private sector is going gangbusters. The lowest unemployement rate in the country by a large margin.

        But fret not you Liberals, there are plenty of wealthy companies there you can be mad at for being so wealthy and helping the communities there grow and prosper as a whole. Some of them are the “Evil Oil Companies” that steal so much from the general public, mostly in the form of State and Federal taxes, and of course a modest “evil” profit.

      • Icechilled

        If trickle down economics worked as well as you say, there would be more jobs than people to fill them. We would literally be drowning in jobs all over the country. The fact remains you can’t sell more product and boost the economy if only 40% of the people can afford to buy your product. Stocks, bonds, CDs, and investments are not product. they are not consumables. If you are part of a wealthy couple without children you are not going to by more food than a couple with 3 children. Unless you’re out of your mind If you’re wealthy your not going to buy 200+ bottles of shampoo every month. You’re not going to buy 200+ cars every five years. You’re gonna save and reinvest and does any of the rest of the world see any of the money the wealthy have tied up in banks and the stock market??? No.

        I know people who have worked at Home Depot that haven’t gotten their contractual raises because Home Depot didn’t make enough profit that year ($1.7 billion). “Yup, that money is trickling down to the average Joe,” what a joke. Joe spent 42 year in the aircraft industry, but can’t get a job in that industry because he’s “overqualified” roughly translated is you have too much experience and we don’t want to pay you what your worth. So, instead he gets a job at Sam’s Club as a door greeter. Difference in pay $16.00. He’s collecting a government retirement check but it’s not enough to live off of, so $7.75/hr parttime at Sam’s it is.

        Whatever world you live in, I wanna be there. I don’t want to live in the world where dad works construction and mom works as a teacher and a waitress so they don’t qualify for public assistance anymore. I don’t want to live in a world where retirees have to go back to work because their retirement check doesn’t cover the bills. I don’t want to live in a world where it is cheaper for a single mom to stay at her boyfriend’s house with her kids than for her to get a job because if she got a job she’d be borrowing money from her boyfriend for childcare. I want to live in your perfect society, but I don’t know how to get there. I’m very sure it doesn’t exist.

        I am very sure that 99% of those who are depending on public assistance right now, hate it. They want to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and be independent of the system. Many go out every day to find work and come back empty handed. No degree, overqualified, under-qualified, not exactly what we’re looking for and other excuses are what they get because the job creators know they’re desperate as all the other applicants are. Job creators don’t want to create more jobs for then they can’t cull the applicants for the perfect employee, they have to deal with what they get if unemployment is eliminated. I’ve seen this high unemployment hiring system work from small business to large corporations.

        North Dakota is going though an oil boom. The average worker for the rigs make $24.00/hr. Do they have housing for everybody??? No. Most of the guys on the rigs are living in their trucks, out of tents or in travel trailers. Yes, ND is booming until the oil runs dry. What happens then???

        As, far as I’m concerned, it seems you all live in the top 40% and have never met a poor person in your entire existence. It seems that even though a lot of the impoverished in this country are not the “lazy” miscreants you portray, they deserve to be third world citizens in a first world country with the largest economy in the world. Don’t you see how utterly asinine that is???

      • http://none Claire

        IceChilled: Good post.

      • Sanders


        First off, lets get one thing perfectly straight. I know better than a large percentage of the population just what it is like to grow up in a low income situation. I won’t call it poor because the very small Northern Michigan farm I grew up on is precisely how my father was raised and he enjoyed the hard work of raising sheep, milking your own cow for your own milk, raising his own beef to feed his family and growing the vegetables that would be harvested, canned and stored in the root cellar to feed his family most of the year. Sounds like I grew up in the 30′s and 40′s right, WRONG, I was born in the 60′s. Raised on the family form, which for the first 12 years of my life we didn’t have running water, nor an indoor toilet, nor a noil fired furnace or an electric or gas range for that matter. We hauled our water in 10 gallon cream cans, out house for a bathroom, wood burning funrace as well as wood fired cook stove with a hot water tank built into it so we had had water to wash dishes with or to sponge bath with. So don’t talk to me like I lived a sheltered, well funded life. Even today, I live on a modest salary of $55K a year, not wealthy by most peoples standards.

        The jobs scenario you just described is the conditions of the economy today, not back in the industrial age like I suggested we return to the practices of those days. What we have today is a product of govt meddling in the private sector, PERIOD. Had the govt kept their noses out of the housing industry where they have no real business being we wouldn’t have near the mess we are in today.

        The oil boom N Dakota is going through now is just a tip of the iceberg that won’t dry up for a couple hundred years once the technology is developed to get at the now determined unrecoverable oil. The low hanging fruit they are pumping now will only last about 20 years at the rate they are pumping today. And they are able to do this because the govt can’t shut them down due to this all taking place on private property where they don’t need to get federal permits that Obummer wouldn’t ever allow issued because of his pipe dream renewable energy ambitions. I’m sure that pipe dream will be realized in the future at some point when the technolgy is developed well enough to sustain our needs, but right now it is lacking tremendously.

        You said, “Whatever world you live in, I wanna be there. I don’t want to live in the world where dad works construction and mom works as a teacher and a waitress so they don’t qualify for public assistance anymore” Are you saying you would rather qualify for public assistance?

        As for businesses not wanting to hire, that is a product of today’s economic conditions, not a desire to not want to produce and sell more of their products. And yes, I would adopt the same hiring practices as you just described, why would a company want to settle for hiring a skilled plumber to do run a parts stamping press when there is unemployed parts stamp press operator next in line, or potentially so. Don’t try to tell me you would hire the next person in line, because they deserve a chance like the next guy, no, you are smarter than that, I think, you would hire the most qualified to get the biggest return on your investment(investment being the wages you pay them).

        As for 99% of those on unemployment that would rather not be, there is some truth to that and some falsehoods as well. I am a manufacturing supervisor in southern Michigan, where unemployment is among the highest in the nation due to the weak auto sales. We are constantly trying to find qualified help to hire and with the unemployment being so high one would think we would have a list of applicants a mile long. No, that is not the case. You see, when the unemployment benefits were extended to 99 weeks, people seem to have adjusted to living with this amount and would rather not work so long as they can still collect unemployment. Proof of this is when these people have to apply somewhere in order to not lose their unemeployment benefits, they come in and take the simple pre-employment tests for qualifications and fail the tests miserably. These tests are the simplest general knowledge tests I have ever seen and it would take a grade school drop out to fail them. Shorten there unemployment benefits to the once 26 week standard and watch how fast they pass them tests. That’s not to say everybody is like tis, because they aren’t as we do eventually fill the positions.

        You said, “You’re gonna save and reinvest and does any of the rest of the world see any of the money the wealthy have tied up in banks and the stock market??? No” Other than the “saving” part of this, just what do you think corporations do with the money these investors buy stock in their companies with, sit on it? Absolutely not, they use it to expand their business and as a result of this expansion, hire more people to operate that expansion to generate more wealth.

        You said, “I know people who have worked at Home Depot that haven’t gotten their contractual raises because Home Depot didn’t make enough profit that year ($1.7 billion). “Yup, that money is trickling down to the average Joe,” what a joke”. Trickle down economics has nothing to do with “giving away” ones profits to the average Joe, if it did then the company owners would have no incentive to expand their business to generate more wealth. Trickle down economics merely provides a job for average Joe and if you hire into one of the company who happen to have profit or gain sharing plans, all the better. But to suggest that the company owners should arbitrarily share all their profits with those who work for them, then perhaps you should go live in Russia or North Korea where everybody gets the same pay regardless of what you do for a living. Even there, the top dogs keep all the extra, that would be the govt and military.

        So quit watching CNN and MSNBC as they are filling your heads with anti capitalism bull crap that will eventually bring this once great nation to it’s knees with it’s socialist/communist agenda.
        So you see, I’m not the excrement you seem to think I am, nor is most of those who think govt is our biggest problem like I do. I happen to agree with you, most impoverished people are not lazy, they are simply not in the right place at the right time, for most of them anyway.

        • Icechilled

          I didn’t mean to offend. That isn’t my goal. I don’t watch MSNBC or CNN. I watch Boomerang, Disney, Nickelodeon, and PBS with my children. I get my news from independent news sources on the internet and PBS.

          I’ve not said anywhere that public assistance for all is a goal. I merely tried to point out a lot of people work very hard but are still in poverty or barely out of poverty. The concept that the poor unlike Sanders’ and Claire’s personal opinions are lazy (as the article itself leads me to infer) or as Sanders stated are merely unlucky, seems a cop-out to me. Take a gentleman I know. He filled out dozens upon dozens of applications and turned them in to primarily fast food franchises. He got several interviews, and thought he had the job several times. He made this inference from statements like “We’ll put you on the schedule and give you a call.” A week later he’d call potential employers and be talking to the person who interviewed him and get responses of “who are you again,” and “I have no record of your application with us.” Unlucky, is not quite the word I’d use there. Also, fast food is no longer the wonderfully prosperous industry it used to be. The demand for that consumable has gone down.

          The current model for “job creation” is replace the workers in our stores that have quit or been fired. It’s not like the 1990′s where new stores, restaurants, and factories are popping up in a city or town near you. Factories, in particular, are becoming more mechanized to eliminate human labor. It’s cheaper, and more efficient. There are not many places expanding. Job creators aren’t creating more jobs. They’re hoarding the wealth. With billions of dollars in revenue Exxon-Mobile can afford to put up more convenience stores and expand their refineries. It’s not happening because the demand doesn’t weigh in. Why doesn’t demand weigh in? 60% of Americans are cutting back on consumption because fuel is so expensive. The government regulations have nothing to do with it. In fact President Obama has removed regulations from automobile fuel in an attempt to drive down costs. It worked; automobile fuel is $0.08 cheaper.

          The get a job with stock options is for most unattainable. Conveniences stores, fast food, small businesses, waitstaff, line cooks, prep cooks, etc. don’t get stock options. If you work for Wal-mart, Target, or other large corporate stores you do have a stock option, but you’re on public assistance (unless of course you’ve worked for these stores for a decade or more) so you can’t really afford the minimum $25 a paycheck to put in for your stock. It’s a stagnant cycle that has only been getting worse since the early 1980′s. I’ll grant you It’ wasn’t as obvious in the 1980′s the income vs. cost of living gap was little then. Now it’s brutally clear because $7.25/hour is about $4.75/hour to little to afford a two bedroom apartment around the country (average). That extra $4.75/hour isn’t giving money away, it’s allowing your workers to survive. Of course we could go back to the pre – great depression model of the average worker being 12-50 earning $0.30 an hour working 12 hours a day 7 days a week, to be in poverty. The bankers and oil barons can live in the lap of luxury from all the money they’re making off of everybody else. There is a reason the United States left that government model: It’s inhumane.

      • http://none Claire

        Sanders– I was raised on a tenant farm-no running water, no electricity, no phone, no bathroom. We had a garden the size of a football field (almost) we raised everything we ate. Canned goods were all over the house, under the beds, etc. We had chickens, pigs and a milk cow. I shared a bed with my 2 sisters. The only toys we had were from “Crackerjacks.” I had no shoes until school started. My Mother made our clothes. Underwear was made from flour sacks. I can remember being hungry several times. I walked 2 miles to and from a country school the first 5 years, and attended a country church. My sisters and I were taught right from wrong, never lie, never cheat, never curse, and work hard to have a decent life. We were poor as heck, but my Mother was a rock–she never gave up, she worked like a dog to make the best life out of what we had. Tough times, but we made it.

        • Sally Jo

          Yes, I agree. People who work at different things are NOT lazy. If people do not have a job, they are called lazy. People validate everything by how much money they make, and by employment. I think people should take a few lessons from the Amish. Today, families cannot get along. Go by an Amish family on a Sunday, and you will see large families together just for the sake of being together, and enjoying each other without all the materialisms. Today if parents do not provide cottages, boats, alcohol, etc., their children they raised dis-regard them. I was a hard-working home maker for years raising my 4 children, volunteered in many organizations, held a home day care, and one of my friend whom I took for free so she could work (and her husband) said those who do not work are lazy. So, what if all the volunteers quit volunteering? Are they lazy? What about those who come in the school systems and volunteer? I think there are those who need to adjust their thinking.

  • Jay

    Guess Who’s Coming to Your House? Hidden Dangers in Obamacare:

    It’s all supposed to be voluntary, those “home visits” that are tucked into the mammoth ObamaCare bill. If you have a strong stomach, and stronger bottom, you can find home visitation on pages 568-595. That’s Section 2951 of H.R. 3590, the Senate bill that Harry Reid brought down the chimney on Christmas Eve.

    All voluntary, they say, but once you “volunteer” to have the oh-so-helpful folks from Social Services come in to help with your newborns, or with a number of other specified issues, will you ever be able to get rid of them?

    The bill provides for federal funding and supervision for this vast expansion of government intrusion into family life. This is the Nanny State on steroids.

    Is your family being “targeted” for such home visitations? Let’s see if you fit into one of these very broad categories:

    Families where Mom is not yet 21. (No mention here whether she is married or not.)

    Families where someone is a tobacco user. (Does this include the White House? Watch out, Sasha and Malia!) Does Grandpa, whom you love and have taken in, enjoy his after-dinner pipe?

    Families where children have low student achievement, developmental delays, or disabilities.

    As if that list was not wide-ranging enough, here’s the net that can encompass tens of millions:

    Families with individuals who are serving or formerly served in the armed forces, including such families that have members of the armed forces who have had multiple deployments outside the United States. So, while Johnny gets his gun, the government steps in to “help” his family at home.

    Ronald Reagan used to say the most frightening words in the English language were these: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

    Who will sit atop the federal pyramid that runs this vast new invasion of family privacy?

    Why, it will be Sec. of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, of course. She was the most pro-abortion governor in American history when President Obama tapped her for his Cabinet.

    Do you spank your children? You should know that HHS bureaucrats think you are an abuser.

    Do you support the Second Amendment? How would you like HHS bureaucrats asking your children if you maintain firearms in the home for family protection?

    Do you home school your kids? Take care. Members of Congress who have tried to abolish home schooling are big backers of this health care bill. Do you wonder why?

  • Jay

    50 Threats from ObamaCare

    1) Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure. So every employer in the United States will be subjected to a health insurance audit just as all taxpayers are subject to audit. Of course, we will have to pay for an entire new bureaucracy to do this–the Internal Health Revenue Service?

    2) Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.

    3) Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.

    4) Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.

    5) PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.

    6) Pg 58 states that government will have possession of all your health care records & history including finances and you will have to have a National ID Healthcard.

    7) Pg 59, lines 21-24 gives direct access to your banks accounts to compel you to pay any out-of-pocket or premium costs electronically without your previous consent.

    8) PG 65, sec 164 provides for a political payoff from the Democrats and Obama; a special subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions community groups like ACORN.

    9) Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it.

    Any health insurance plan which does not completely rework itself to conform to these regulations will be dropped from the exchange and those insured will have to pick one of the plans in the exchange. This is why the Congressional Budget Office determined that over 20 million will lose the coverage they are now enjoying if Obamacare is implemented.

    10) PG 85, line 7 provides specifics for benefit levels for all health plans, giving government the right to ration everyone’s healthcare.

    11) PG 91, lines 4-7 mandates that doctor’s offices, clinics and hospitals provide language-appropriate services, basically ordering them to hire translators at the expense of the American taxpayer.

    12) Pg 95, lines 8-18 allows the government to hire non-profit community groups like ACORN and Americorps to sign up people for the government health plan.

    13) PG 85, line 7 provides for specifics on benefit levels for Medicare recipients, basically rationing the care of every senior citizen I the United States.

    14) PG 102, lines 12-18 mandates that all Medicaid eligible will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid based upon income and insurance status. No choice.

    15) Pg 124, lines 24-25 states that no private company or individual can have the right to sue the federal government for medical price fixing, basically eliminating your right to seek redress in the courts regarding your medical care.

    16) Pg 127, lines 1-16 dictates doctors’ payment and therefore income which will reduce what doctors earn and lead to greater shortages of doctors and more rationing of care.

    17) Pg 145, line 15-17 any employer not currently insuring their employees must enroll employees into public plan option, with no choice of private insurance allowed.

    18) Pg 126, lines 22-25 mandates that employers must pay for health insurance even for part-time workers and their families, which will certainly lead to massive layoffs.

    19) Pg 149, lines 16-24 all employers with an annual payroll bigger than $400k who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll.

    20) Pg 150, lines 9-13 mandates that employers with an annual payroll between $251K & $400K who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay a 2-6% tax on all payroll.

    21) Pg 167, lines 18-23 any individual who is self-employed and does not have health insurance will be taxed 2.5% of income and forced to accept public health insurance. So paying for health care out of pocket will be banned from the face of the earth.

    22) Pg 170, lines 1-3 exempts non-resident aliens from the individual health care taxes, so Americans citizens will pay for these aliens, legal and illegal alike.

    23) Pg 195 officers & employees of the new Health Care Administration will have access to all Americans personal financial records and accounts.

    24) PG 203, line 14-15 actually says that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

    25) Pg 239, line 14-24 mandates that available physician services will be reduced for Medicaid recipients. Many poor people including many seniors will be affected.

    26) Pg 241, line 6-8 mandates that all doctors receive the same pay, regardless of specialty. This will vastly reduce the number of specialists available in the United States, a common problem where medicine is socialized like Canada.

    27) PG 253, line 10-18 allows the federal government to set the value of doctor’s time, professional judgment.

    28) PG 265, Sec 1131 mandates and controls the productivity of all health care providers including surgeons!

    29) PG 268, Sec 1141 regulates the rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

    30) PG 272, Sec. 1145 regulates the operation of certain types of cancer hospitals, again rationing the care of cancer patients.

    31) Page 280, Sec 1151 allows the government to penalize hospitals for what is deemed to be preventable readmissions. So instead of being sued for malpractice, the government will be the punitive body when mistakes are made.

    32) Pg 298, lines 9-11 mandates that if a doctor treats a patient during initial admission and that result in a re-admission, the doctor will be subject to federal penalties. Gee do you think that’s going to drive up the cost of malpractice?

    33) Pg 317, lines 13-20 will create prohibitions on ownership and investment in the health service industry for doctors.

    34) Pg 317-318, lines 21-25, and 1-3 will prohibit the expansion of all hospitals.

    35) pg 321, lines 2-13 allows hospitals apply for an exception to the expansion rule but they must seek community input first!

    36) Pg335, lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 mandates the establishment of outcome based health care and insidious idea that actually limits the treatment choices made by patients with their doctors, based upon the patient’s health and condition. This will result in the oldest, weakest and sickest patients being denied treatments simply because the statistics for success in their demographic category are poor!

    This is a form of health care rationing that will save money at the expense of seniors to help buy insurance for the uninsured, most of whom are young and healthy!

    37) Pg 341, lines 3-9 allows the government to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans and HMO forcing people into the government run public plan.

    38) Pg 354, Sec 1177 will arbitrarily restrict the enrollment of special needs children and adults.

    39) Pg 379, Sec 1191 mandates the creation of even more bureaucracy in the Telehealth Advisory Committee.

    40) PG 425, lines 4-12 mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation,” another insidious vehicle to save money by encouraging seniors who are in poor health to be more accepting of death rather than fighting to stay alive and healthy and with their loved ones.

    41) Pg 425, lines 17-19 mandates that all senior patients will be consulted regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.

    42) PG 425, lines 22-25, 426 lines 1-3 provides an approved list of end of life resources, to help guide seniors about the process of dying!

    43) PG 427, lines 15 mandates program for orders on the end of life, actually giving the government a say in how your life ends!

    44) Pg 429, lines 1-9 dictates the frequency with which an Advance Care Planning Consultant will have to meet with patients as their health deteriorates.

    45) PG 429, lines 10-12 give an Advance Care Planning Consultant the power to order end of life plans for a patient.

    46) Pg 429, lines 13-25 will only allow certain doctors, not necessarily your own physician, to write an end of life order.

    47) PG 430, lines 11-15 allows the government to decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

    48) Pg 469 mandates “Community Based Home Medical Services” through non profits like ACORN. Happy yet that we elected a community organizer to the White House?

    49) PG 489, Sec 1308 force taxpayers to pay for Marriage & Family therapy under the public insurance plan.

    50) Pg 494-498 allows government to define mental illnesses and what services will be allowed.

    • tlgeer

      1) Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure.

      It doesn’t say this. It is talking about the insurance companies.

      2) Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.

      Wrong, again. This section has do with setting fee schedules. It has nothing to do with deciding what procedures you can have or not.

      3) Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.

      No, it doesn’t. At all.

      4) Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.

      5) PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.

      It does not say this anywhere in the law.

      Nope. Again, you are wrong. Aren’t you getting tired of this? Why don’t you read the law Instead of showing, pretty conclusively, that you haven’t actually read it?

      9) Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it.receive the same pay, regardless of specialty. This will vastly reduce the number of specialists available in the United States, a common problem where medicine is socialized like Canada.28) PG 265, Sec 1131 mandates and controls the productivity of all health care providers including surgeons!

      It does creat a Health Care Exchange. We knew that all along and we wanted it. As for the rest of what you posted, you have no idea what you are talking about. ALL you are doing is repeating propaganda that has been issured by know-nothings.

      Now, let me do a little cap of what you posted.

      Your page numbers are wrong, your section numbers are wrong. What you are stating is in the ACA is wrong.

      Do you want to know what is actually in the ACA? Read it for yourself, stop relying on the opinions of other people.

      Here is a link to the actual law. Educate yourself. Read it.

  • Robert Rashbrooke

    Surely we are in our present position in regard to health care because back in the mid 1930′s the government decided it could not afford to reorganise and pay for a modern health care system and the capitalists and corporations were asked/requested that THEY (be allowed to) do the job. Employers were then required to provide health care for their employees.

    Back then and for some time, the care was affordable, but as big pharma, HMOs and private hospitals found they could increase premiums for a bigger profit, the system became too expensive for the employers to maintain. The result was/is that employers are shedding their health responsibilities as fast as they can.

    So who is now to provide (a somewhat essential) health care that the working class CAN afford. The ACA is one approach trying to achieve this result. I have yet to see any concrete proposals from the GOP. Recently, for instance, Boehner on TV stated that the ACA would cause small businesses with ten or less employees, to have increased costs and thus would have to lay off employees in order to remain in business. This is totally contrary to what the ACA states (small businesses are exempted for the clauses of the ACA) but who knows this. But nonetheless, Boehner should not be either deliberately or inadvertently lying about the subject merely to enhance his own position.

    I have heard some of the downright lies spouted by vested interests about people dying in UK and Canada just because of waiting lists at hospitals but NEVER any facts to support the lie/fact. Expatriate Americans living in France have publicly stated that they think the French system is FAR superior to what they could get back in the US. even with provided health care that they would not have to directly pay for.

    Debate on the subject is necessary so that ALL opinions can be heard and some concensus reached as the the BEST path forward, whatever it may be. Name calling and obfuscuaration will never achieve the result required in this debate.

    • ToeTagTunny

      Sounds like logical thinking.. We hear primarily from the opposite corner of the ring and I’m not saying their in total error but has anybody dug deep enough to find out how our prior medicare programs worked? How much cost? How much abuse and fraud? What are some of the clauses of that policy and why hasn’t it succeeded? If it worked better, then why change it? If it doesn’t then we need improvement.. This law can be improved on as we still have time to debate the issues of it but as usual I feel time will be wasted by dragging feet and unrealistic compromise. Two years from now the only thing that will be agreed upon is another 2 year extension before it comes into effect and by then there will be a new president and more manipulation. It’s inevitable.. It’s politics. Meanwhile, somebody(s) will become even more wealthy.

      • http://none Claire

        Toe Tag Tunny–another good post.

  • ConcernedAmerican

    … A broke Country, yet we always seem to have enough money for that ‘next’ war.. Go ahead, degrade your fellow americans.. Tell them to get up off their ass or get out of the Country.. That way it’ll be that much more money to start more wars. I’ve been poor, in need and destitute but I NEVER sought out a gubmental hand out, not because I’m better than that but because I don’t want to owe one taxpaying somebitch anything for my life.. To be mocked and considered a low life socialist commie scum because I’m temporarily down on my luck is nothing I want ANY mouth breather hanging over me.. But I’ll tell you by-gawd! if a needy person came to me for help I’d donate to him/her what I could WITHOUT making a tax break out of it. Hypocrites rule this world and it’s always been that way. Morals? What the hells that?? Honesty? Wait.. I think I saw that on jeopardy just last night.. I understand your concerns, your frustration but there’s only a small percentage of ‘welfare loafers’.. Most are legitimate, most are temporary but your only shown the commode before it’s been flushed and it’s not that more people are taking advantage, it’s there’s more ‘users’ because of the increase in people in need. Concentrate on these users.. Make honest policies and forget about taking urine tests for drugs, it’s too expensive and most recipients do not do drugs, instead.. Put all of them to work for the public like road repair flagmen.. Imagine paying a flagman fifteen dollars an hour when you can teach a welfare moocher how to do it in minutes for the pay they receive every month.. And you don’t have to work them full time but rather on-call. Teach them a trade so that when they get tired of being paid peanuts they can contribute to the collective and pay taxes in order to help someone else who’s luck is running low.. If that’s socialism then I say, tis better than wanting to run them all out of town on a rail with no no regret for their lives. We have real low lives living off our taxes 24/7.. their allowed to sit (or lay) about while getting fed and bed, they can work.. They can help save our infrastructure and it won’t cost us a penny more than what we’re already contributing. So some of them are dangerous, there’s thousands who are marginal felons (just a tic beyond misdemeanor) put them to work, teach them a trade for when they get out.. Allow the lifers to contribute in the continual upkeep of their habitat, grow their own food and make more license plates.. They don’t need a trade as the majority of them will never get out alive.

  • Eric Jones

    Mr smith i see you like many think socialism is dead. you are wrong. heres why socialism is not dependent on any one country ie the soviet union on the contrarey marxism is a science dedicated to teaching the workers and oppressed peoples how to throw off the capitilists shackles realize ther destiney. dont worrey thats a commen mistake.

  • Ken Weaver

    Both the article and the comments are very interesting. Some of the comments are logical and rational, others, not so much. I will say Mr Gunn does have his history basically correct. Socialism and the objective of bank control of the world started in the Wilson era. Some of the socialism we won’t be able to undo, but that is no excuse to make another FDR or LBJ type mistake with BHO. Do we want to try to keep a representative democracy with free enterprise and personal freedoms like the first and second amendments, or do we want to become a completely socialist country and give up our freedoms and free enterprise system. This election year is not about the candidates, it’s about ideology. Vote Republican if you want to try to keep a representative democracy and some freedoms or vote Democrat if you want Socialism/Communism and much less freedom. Looking back, my grandfather was right when he said the contry was going down hill when the government dictated when you could get a drivers liscense. why i asked innocently. Grandpa said because it usurps parental authority; every parent should know when their child is capable of driving. Quaint, I know, but from a historical and philosophical prospective, now that I am the age he was then, I think he was right.

  • Jerry Morgan

    Happy 4th of July! The day our Nation was born.
    “TAPS FOR AMERICA” is now showing on YouTube.

  • TooTrue

    Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your warp on a particular subject, there has never been a society without socialism; the problem being that folks prefer to call societies by other names, i.e., capitalist, communist, etc., but the fact is that you cannot build a society without sharing. Much greater understanding, and thus cooperation, could be had by accurately describing what is, and has always been, occuring in the U.S.A and getting away from the branding, for purely politcal reasons, of events.

  • Snowy Raven

    Whoa! Wait a damn minute! Obamacare is NOT free!! You have to pay out the nose for it! You have to pay more than you would have to pay if you went and got your own insurance from, say, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, or Physician’s Health Plan, even COBRA!

    It’s not that the people are not willing to work, etc. It’s that, starting with Bill Clinton, import taxes were removed, causing the “Free Trade” bill, which is wrong! Secondly, he lifted penalization on companies for leaving the US to go find cheaper (lead-filled) product and slave labor, so they could profit for next to nothing. Then those mother ****** get to sell the cheaply made products to US Citizens, who, SURPRISE, have NO JOBS, since their jobs took off and went to China, Mexico, etc! He used the scandal with Miss Monica Lewinsky to cover and distract from what he was REALLY doing! Exporting our jobs! THen, conveniently, once Bush Jr was made president, some terrorists attack, and companies use THAT as an EXCUSE to leave the country, which was what they were going to do, ever since Clinton cleared the way for them! Now Obama with his Marxist/Socialist/Communist plans is shredding our country further! And to try to make sure he is elected again, he gave the Spanishized Aztecs full amnesty! Notice before your ancestors came here and turned this great land into the USA, we had NO Problem keeping the Aztecs in South America? Because instead of doing what the government does at the border of the landbridge connecting Azteca (Aztec, Inca and Mayan land) to Turtle Island (US and Canada) and allowing so many free passage, we killed them. They came north to kidnap our asses to sacrifice to their gods on their pyramids. Our ancestors weren’t going to stand by and let that happen. Just because the Spanish brought them new bloodline, religion and language… they are still our enemies who belong in their own land, not ours! That is an angering issue, among many other issues!!!

    Anyone notice that, all the promises of “Change” Obama made to the gullible US Citizens who elected him in, Hitler made to the Germans! Only thing is, you guys used us (Lakota, Dakota and Navajo people, who have no written language, to be code-talkers, in order to defeat him)! Where is the country who will come in and save everyone in this land from Obama? Anyone? Nope! We are on our own against a DICTATOR who bypasses congress, holds them hostage during a major American Holiday (Christmas) to force them to do his bidding!

    The president needs to be tried for his crimes against the US and punished! He is going against the US Constitution, personal rights, freedoms and liberty.

    Yeah, I was once a democrat, when democrats stood for democracy! The republican party has white Obama. Now I’m on the fence, but I see it that, as an Ameican, it is my duty to vote against both the asses and elephants, to hope to get them both out with my one vote!

    • Robert Rashbrooke

      U(three times the group cost)p to age 65 I and my wife, were on my Company Group Health Care program. When I passed 65 my boss asked me to go on Medicare and I agreed. My wife stayed on the program under COBRA..

      18 months later, when COBRA ended, I asked Blue Cross what it would cost ME to keep her individually on their program. The gave me a price of $2,400 per month, which was more than I actually earned here in north central Florida.

      Please explain to me how i could provide health care for my wife under those circumstances

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        Ooops, my laptop is playing up, or else I am a worse typist than I think I am.The post should have started with:

        Up to age 65 I and my wife were on my Company Group Health Care program. At age 65 my boss asked my to go on to Medicare, which I did. My wife stayed on the program.

        18 months later, when COBRA ended, I asked Blue Cross what it would cost ME to keep her individually on their program. The gave me a price of $2,400 per month (three times the Group cost), which was more than I actually earned here in north central Florida.

        Please explain to me how i could provide health care for my wife under those circumstances

      • tlgeer


        “According to all major ratings, FOX NEWS is continuously beating all of the liberal koolaid servers that you obviously chose to blindly believe.”

        Where did you get the insane idea that high ratings equals truth?

        • George

          O ‘ care ‘ ; is nothing but socialism ‘ ; do your homework , so you won’t show yourself to be an idiot ‘ .

          • Eric Jones

            If you think obamacare is socialist then it is YOU that needs to do your homework.

    • Johnnie

      How long have you been a blitthering idiot? Azteca, Pryamids, Sacrafices. Why don’t you just say you hate Hispanics and Blacks. Be a Man you piece of scum. And do yourself a favor, stop watching Faux News and racist conspiracy dogma. You need help…

      • Jim

        I beg to differ on who needs the help here. According to all major ratings, FOX NEWS is continuously beating all of the liberal koolaid servers that you obviously chose to blindly believe. And here again you go with the insults (“blithering idiot”), which is a typical liberal mentality and reaction when you can’t carry on a decent, sensible, intelligent and respectful conversation.

        Because people don’t like obama and universal healthcare for illegal immigrants makes them racist????

        As Snowy said, healthcare is not free! Somebody has to pay for it, and that someone is the taxpaying American. Taxing the rich doesn’t do anything except encourage them to find tax shelters and invest the money elsewhere. Taxing the rich does nothing but encourage people not to earn over what oblunder defines as rich ($250k). Hello! $250k is NOT RICH, and this affect most small businesses, who will keep their businesses under the $25k threshold in order to avoid the tax. That means they will not hire additional people to help grow their business. It means that they will keep their staff as low as possible in order to avoid paying the healthcare tax, which is how it passed the supreme court. It all adds up to further decline and recession.

        All I can say is… WAKE UP!

        And think twice before you continue calling people blithering idiots.

        • needfulthings

          thee statement “According to all major ratings, FOX NEWS is continuously beating all of the liberal koolaid servers that you obviously chose to blindly believe” needs a lesson here” >
          All entertainment TV does carry higher rates, but consider this …
          A good looking hooker gets more attention, action (and money) than a homely librarian.
          enjoy fella !!!!!!! and I hope that rash goes away?

      • tlgeer

        Johnnie, I’m sorry. I posted a response to you when it should have been to Jim.

      • George

        You progressives like the ; “communist ” ; who is now ; ” occupying ” , the White house ; and all the policies ; backed by the Communist ‘ ;Geo. Soros . When you going to start paying attention , so you won’t prove , to be so stupid ?

  • Snowy Raven

    As for people on “welfare”, you must exclusively mean Food Stamps! “Welfare” checks are only given out to illegal immigrants. US Citizens have to do “TANF”, which forces them to pay for daycare, even if they have someone who can watch their kids for free, while the fssa forces the needy mother or disabled person who applied to do conductive job searches and job training! So bitch and moan without finding out the truth. Truth is, people who are seriously down and out are receiving food stamps ONLY! Guess what? 98% of those people, who are actual, legal US Citizens and receive foodstamps worked their asses off and paid their taxes fair and square! So guess what? THEY PAID FOR THE SMALL BIT OF FOODSTAMPS THEY ARE RECEIVING RIGHT NOW!!!!! They aren’t on illegal drugs. They can’t afford illegal drugs! They are the work-their-asses-off class who are jobless and down and out! Most never did drugs when they were working, The few here and there occasionally smoked marijuana on weekends. They can’t afford to wipe their own butts now, which is why they are receiving food stamps and going to the church once a month for toilet paper and bar soap!

    Everyday, I genuinely pray to Creator that people like you, who think you’re better than everyone else and make too much money and bitch about everyone on food stamps and demand drug testing and bitch and whine that you THINK your taxes are paying for the food stamps, when in fact, the farmers themselves are paying to fund the food stamps… I pray, each and every day, that you are humbled. Forced to have to rely on foodstamps and commodities. I pray that your fortunes are vanquished, your jobs diminished, so you are forced to walk in the shoes of the poor, so you will be humbled and given wisdom. I don’t pray for it to be forever for people like you. I pray you all get enough time in poverty to understand what millions are suffering through so you’ll realize the truth.

    You want to know what your taxes ARE paying for? War! Stimulus packages and bailouts for big corporations!. The Obamas’ vacations all around the world! THAT is what you are paying for!!! Locally, you are paying for: road construction, city restructuring, school programs (sports, music, computer classes), and your local library.

    Seriously, investigate everything fully before asserting half-facts and rumors as truth! You won’t keep your job long if you keep making an ass of yourself and not thoroughly doing your job before publishing your articles!

    • stopspending4

      You are living in a dream world where everything is as it should be. Look a little deeper and you will find the multitude of able bodied workers, especially young people, that are making a career out of food stamps and other government handouts. Yes, there are many that “need’ the help but others that just enjoy the free stuff.
      Check the recent stats for SSI. Program has tripled in the last few years. People that received all their unemployment benefits for the max time – saying they were willing and able to work – are suddenly now unable to work and receiving SSI. How did so many people suddenly become “unable” to work? What has changed in our health the last few years that has made so many unable to work? Could it be an attitude that they should not have to work if government is willing to hand out free stuff?

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        in the company I work for, several of the employees deliberately limit their work hours in order to get food stamps, SSI or whatever. It bugs me no end.

        But if the rules are written so that that type of behavior is not only possible but accepted, else why does the agency not ask the Company WHY the applicant is only working such limited hours despite the fact that we are snowed under with orders, then who am I to complain. I do not believe that the agency servicing these people do NOT KNOW what is going on, but are simply following policy.

        The system should not be scrapped because of these anomalies, but rules should be tightened up to prevent such situations.

  • Joel Smith

    Sorry to tell you folks, but Obamacare IS NOT socialism. It was the free market solution created by the Heritage Foundation and touted as the alternative to the Clinton Health Care plan by the Republican party.

    The Heritage Foundaiton even claims to have come up with this plan prior to the Clintons being in office. The plan was introduced in a 1989 book, “A National Health System for America” by Stuart Butler and Edmund Haislmaier.

    This is not a government take over of the health care industry.. It is simply a regulation of the free market system already in place. It is amazing how dillusional the right has become. They got their plan passed. A complete victory for them. And yet because it was a Democrat that got it passed, they’ve gone nuts, labeling it socialism and government take over, when in fact it was their plan to prevent socialized medicine and government takeover.

    • Ken

      You must be related to Wobby Smith…..Joel, do you have rocks in your head? Do you know who funds the “Heritage Foundation” ?


      Heritage is a non-profit, and in its annual report it states that “we rely on the financial contributions of the gemeral public: individuals, foundations and corporations. We accept no government funds and perform no contract work.”

      List of major donors here:…
      2006 Budget
      In calendar year 2006 the Heritage Foundation spent over $40.5 million on its operations. That year the foundation raised over $25 million from individual contributors and $13.1 million from foundations.
      While corporations provided only $1.5 million – 4% of Heritage’s contributions in 2006 – they none the less have significant interest in the foundations policy output. There’s defence contractors Boeing and Lockheed Martin, finance and insurance companies such as Allstate Insurance, Mortgage Insurance Companies of America, and American International Group (AIG), auto company Honda, tobacco company Altria Group (Philip Morris), drug and medical companies Johnson & Johnson, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Bristol-Myers Squibb Foundation, oil companies ChevronTexaco and Exxon Mobil, software giant Microsoft, and chipping in over $100,000 each, Alticor (Amway), Pfizer, PhRMA, and United Parcel Service (UPS). [3]

  • tgeer

    “I understand the dream of the common socialist. I was, after all, once a Democrat.”

    If you can say this with a straight face (ie. mean it), you were never a Democrat, and have no idea what a Democrat is.

  • Jim Gorman 4

    America is going broke; if it is not already. And ObamaTax has been sold as Obamacare.
    20 Hidden Tax Hikes in Obamacare
    Friday, 29 Jun 2012 11:43 AM

    By Grover Norquist

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    The Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses

    Taxpayers are reminded that the president’s healthcare law is one of the largest tax increases in American history.

    Obamacare contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses.

    Arranged by their respective effective dates, below is the total list of all $500 billion-plus in tax hikes (over the next ten years) in Obamacare, where to find them in the bill, and how much your taxes are scheduled to go up as of today:

    Taxes that took effect in 2010:

    1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new “community health assessment needs,” “financial assistance,” and “billing and collection” rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971.

    2. Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113.

    3. “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105.

    4. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980.

    5. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004.

    6. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399.

    Taxes that took effect in 2011:

    7. Medicine Cabinet Tax ($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959.

    8. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959.

    Taxes that took effect in 2012:

    9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957.

    Taxes that take effect in 2013:

    10. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93.

    Capital Gains Dividends Other*
    2012 15% 15% 35%
    2013+ 23.8% 43.4% 43.4%

    *Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

    11. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:

    First $200,000
    ($250,000 Married)
    Employer/Employee All Remaining Wages
    Current Law 1.45%/1.45%
    2.9% self-employed 1.45%/1.45%
    2.9% self-employed
    Obamacare Tax Hike 1.45%/1.45%
    2.9% self-employed 1.45%/2.35%
    3.8% self-employed

    Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93

    12. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for <$100. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986

    13. Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI ($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

    14. Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” ($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

    15. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bil/Jan 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

    16. $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bil/Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000

    Taxes that take effect in 2014:

    17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following

    1 Adult 2 Adults 3+ Adults
    2014 1% AGI/$95 1% AGI/$190 1% AGI/$285
    2015 2% AGI/$325 2% AGI/$650 2% AGI/$975
    2016 + 2.5% AGI/$695 2.5% AGI/$1390 2.5% AGI/$2085

    Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS).Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337

    18. Employer Mandate Tax (Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer).Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346

    Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

    19. Tax on Health Insurers ($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993

    Taxes that take effect in 2018:

    20. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans ($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956

    Grover Norquist is president of Americans for Tax Reform, a coalition of taxpayer groups, individuals, and businesses opposed to higher taxes at the federal, state, and local levels. The coalition organizes the Taxpayer Protection Pledge, which asks all candidates for federal and state office to commit themselves in writing to oppose all tax increases. Read more reports from Grover Norquist —

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    • Johnnie

      So we had enough Representatives and Senators to raise taxes and snub their noses at the Fuehrer Grover Norquist. I salute them all. Grover, you’re only upset because the ACA is a bump in the road to your plan to run up the deficit and keep it high so you can demand cuts in social programs. Starve the Beast didn’t work here, did it. Guess these brave Legislators were doing their jobs supporting the people and not your Corporate Masters.

    • needfulthings

      I would like to thank you for taking the time to post REAL informantion on the Affordable Health Care Act (Oromney care) Seeing the data is useful. I lost my copy but don’t trust this if it came from a Grover Norquist site, I’ve seen his manipulation of data before and consider him a trader . Thanks any hoot and I will double check for the full bill thru gov web sites.

      I still find not much to be concerned about, It has to be paid for and I don’t find much objection to how their gonna do it, YES I do think in needs a little nip n tuck. Remember, for those who have insurance pay for people who don’t. BILLIONS are written off every year by hospitals who give care for people who have no insurance and use the E.R. for treatments. It’s why we pay 50 dollars for an asprin spending the night in their care, and why (in part ) we have the most expensive health care on the plant.

      Thats all for now and THANKS again for taking time to offer more than just an OPINION.

  • sean murry

    Those people in the picture are young useful idiots for obummer and soros.

  • http://none noveldog2301

    Unless enslaved after being defeated in a war, the only way to defeat someone without firing a shot is… through censorship, tailored news, vote buying of all kinds, and giving them lots of what appears to be….free stuff. The masses come to expect the free stuff and will support (vote wise) those who give it to them. They don’t understand that someone has to pay for it. Eventually when the well runs dry they are left with nothing….but slavery. All have become slaves, and are expected to work to support someone who does not work. Rioting will not help. It will only get you shot down, or run over by a tank. Brain washed fools will learn too late that they sold their freedom for a handful of freebies.

    The only way to survive this is to vote….. the vote buyers …..out of office…now!

    • tlgeer

      The majority of people who post on this site wouldn’t know a socialist program, or a socialist, if it bit them in the ass.

      The plain fact is that they have been told for so long that what is happening is socialist (or any other kind of “ist”) that they now believe it to be true. And unless G_d zapps them upside the head, nothing that any of us say will have any impact on them. Sad, isn’t?

      • George

        Socialist ‘ / Communist ” ; same thing .

        • needfulthings

          YES GEORGE … They don’t have’ta know anything rush and fox telll them all the things they need to know! or think they know!

          • George

            Socialist ‘ ;Communist ‘ ; same thing ; to bad you’re so stupid .

      • Eric Jones

        Indeed it is.

  • Jacques

    Al in All, I believe that all you folks should get and read “brotherhood of darkness” by
    Dr. Stanley Manteith. I might open your eyes to something above beyound all this.

    • terris

      M might believe you should read the ACA for yourselves. The majority of Yu are extremely misinformed about what is in it.

  • FreedomRules

    Man, flashy sure is an angry one. Mad at the world and looking for payback. To blind to see the payback he seeks is the root of his anger.

  • Monie

    I don’t agree with the article at all, why can,t we work to perfect man kind. Money isn’t doing any better it only separate the ones that have from the ones that have nothing . How is that any better.

  • Waldeck Charles

    Obamacare is not Socialism. ObamaCare is a market driven, insurance controlled product disguised as Health Care!

    • Katrael

      Waldeck Charles, get a dictionary to find out what socialism is.

      • Eric Jones

        If YOU took the time to read the dictionarey find the TRUE definition of socialism you would see he is right.

        • Katrael

          Eric Jones, Webster’s 10th Collegiate dictionary defines socialism as: 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of good. 2 : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property: a system or condition in society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state: 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

          We have long ceased to own the land. Our government controls the means of production and distribution of goods through it’s various regulations any of which are capable of shutting down a business. No we don’t have direct governmental ownership yet but that day is coming. We are in the transitional stage just as the third point of Webster’s definition points out.

          • Eric Jones

            The means of production are owned by the CAPITILISTS not the goverment and how can you possibiley accuse the goverment of over-regulation when many corparations are not paying ANY TAX AT ALL and in many cases are actually reciving RETURNS when ther done exploiting all the LOOPHOLES.

          • Jim

            Excuse me, but doesn the federal government (cough, I mean taxpayers) NOT own a huge protion of General Motors? GM has been slowly paying back the BILLIONS of dollars they received as a “stimulous”/bailout, but the US Government is still a major stakeholder. There are countless other examples. Some have failed, case in point, Solyndra.

          • needfulthings

            No JIM ….. excuuuuuuuse me, The government has own GM stock for three years of the 100 years it has been in business , we will have sold all the stock in the next two years, Bye The Bye it was A CORN-SERITIVE president who gave GM money and suggessed the saving of GM in the first place.
            Talking about FAILURE, hows about the two trillion lost on the Iraq war/ Never mine the hundreds of thousands of dead all for a war of Choice. YES I could could go on too!

          • Eric Jones

            Perhaps they do but thats the exeption not the rule.

          • Jim

            …plus the disastrous oblundercare, which is also socialized healthcare – primarliy owned by and run by the US government, complete with 1,600 additional IRS agents.

          • needfulthings

            Thats a nice twist on the Affordable Care Act, the truth is a little more boring. In reality its just INSURACE, it doesn’t tell the doctors what to treat you with nor how to treat you the for profit insurace companies do both.
            Remember your provider makes decisions based on PROFIT only, you have high school educated phone operators telling your doctor NO! the doctors must do several things before your can have that MRI , even though the MRI is the best, most surest way to find the problem. When they find out it’s gonna be expensive they look for ways to call it ” A pre-exsisting condition” and not treat you.
            If you’d quit watching fixed noise you’d realize for profit insurace companies have a huge bureaucracy working against you where as the A.H.C.A. just wants to make sure the doctor it’s over charging for services and ALL people have excess to health care insurace.

          • Jim

            You are living in a dream world. But I guess you know better then the majority of the nation who disagrees with oblundercare.

          • needfulthings

            No dream, just parts I’ve read or that were sent to me! I’m not so sure a majority doesn’t like the Affordable Health Care Act.
            Not sure if you noticed but we are NOT a pure Democracy, the law of the land demains we protect those small groups from the tyranny of the majority (no not always) but Obama’s A.H.C.A. is a fully veted law.

          • tlgeer

            The vast majority of the US don’t want the ACA repealed, they just want some things changed. Like putting the public option back into it. IMO, it should never have been taken out.

          • Jim

            There are two main things about the law that most people DON’t like: the Public Option (thankfully out) and the Tax/Penalty for not buying/having insurance. There are some good things, notably not being denied for pre-existing conditions. Otherwise it’s horrible. We all know that reform is needed, just not the kind of reform that is going to cost billions upon billions of dollars that we do not have, but continue borrowing from China.

            As Donald Trump said, these kind of social programs are nice to have when you are a rich country and can afford them, but we are not a rich country anymore. Quite the opposite is true. We have unsustainable debt and simply can’t afford expensive social programs and entitlements.

          • Eric Jones

            Healthcare is not a mean of production but rather a human right and in order for obamacare to be TRULEY socialized it would have to be free and its not. also if you researched it you would realize that obamacare is driven by the ” market ” and controlled by big insurence.

          • Katrael

            Eric Jones, I don’t make a distinction between big business and the government as the government is owned by big business. Of course I can’t prove this conclusively but it’s something that many of us know. Having said that businesses and corporations are owned by people and I guess that you can call them capitalists?

            If you look at the last part of Webster’s definition you’d see Marx’s definition of socialism. He believed that socialism was but a stepping stone to communism. We are now facing the socialization of our healthcare industry and we have long ago lost the right to own property which is part of socialism. So, my comment stands correctly.

            Taxes? Most of the American public is woefully ignorant about business and corporate tax. Any business must at least recover all costs of doing business. There are no exceptions and this applies to the business of government as well. What this means is that any tax charged or placed on any business or corporation MUST be recovered somehow or the business will spend itself into bankruptcy. So, the only way to recover those costs and stay in business is to build those taxes into the the price of their goods and services which the consumer ends up paying; then sadly the consumer ends up paying sales tax on all of those hidden business taxes. I say they are hidden as you don’t see those taxes itemized on your sales receipt. This is a system that delights the politicians as it allows them to tax the people and then the ignorant public turn around and cry about the high price of things and they blame the evil corporations for this. You and many like you may deny these points and will try to find something else to rant about while denying this but it is the truth. Don’t let the government trick you any longer. They are to blame.

            So go ahead and cry about how corporations don’t pay taxes as they don’t and never will. Get an education then be well and prosper.

          • Eric Jones

            Dear Katrael you write ” big buesness owns the goverment ” and you are right there however by saying that truthfull statement you prove your notion of this being the ” socialization of america ” wrong. TRUE socialism is the goverment SEIZING the corperations for the benifet of the masses BUT when as you so acuretlley stated the corperations SEIZE the goverment that is called FACISM.

          • Katrael

            Eric Jones, I’m not going to argue fascism vs socialism with you. I will say this about the dictionary definition of fascism: it doesn’t say SHT about corporations owning the government. Also you’ve got to make a distinction between mega corporations and smaller corporations and business when we talk about corporations owning the government. You’re full of it when you lump all types of business into the government ownership category as I’ve been in business and never owned not even a small portion of this evil government we have now.

            The people want the nanny government to take care of them and they want the good government to control all evil non taxpaying businesses. Too many people feel that the government can somehow tax businesses so that the government can somehow provide for all of their necessities.

            I don’t care what you call what we have; it’s evil and anybody who supports this evil system is evil themselves. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

          • Eric Jones

            First of all i was just trying to help ok? i actually agree with some of the things you said and your right i should,nt lump the poor small buesnsess man in with the mega corperations.however you you write ” the dictionarey dosn,t say sht about buesnsess owning the goverment ” i didn,t get that from the dictionarey igot it from historey in the late 30,s Bennito Mousalinni abolished parlament and replaced it with the facist counsil of buesness. the idea of being that instead of elected officials the itailian regiens would be represented by that regiens most powerfull buesness. now i don,t know about you but that sounds like big-buesness owning goverment to me.

          • Katrael

            Eric Jones, fascism is about dictatorial control and the problems stems from the lust for power which big business wields in the form of money. The fact that Benito Mussolini married himself to big business is besides the point. Capitalism doesn’t equate to fascism. A small business owner by nature is a capitalist. Few people go into business to loose money but that doesn’t mean they are fascists. In fact the backbone of this country’s economic engine actually rests in the hands of the small to medium sized business owners.

            Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [beˈniːto musːoˈliːni]; 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician who led the National Fascist Party, ruling the country from 1922 to his ousting in 1943, and is credited with being one of the key figures in the creation of fascism. Wikipedia.

            Those business owners who married themselves to Mussolini were just as power hungry as Mussolini was but that doesn’t have anything to do with capitalism and has everything to do with power and greed.

            If you believe in evolution then mankind’s nature took billions of years to develop and it won’t change in a few hundred years. If you believe in creation then mans nature was formed at his creation and won’t change either. Either way we are stuck with greedy power hungry people who look for any way possible to control everything and everybody else and that’s part of human nature. Your wishful thinking won’t change that.

          • Eric Jones

            Exept i DON,T belive in creation i belive evolution. and i would think historey has proven you cant have facism in truest sence of the word without capitilism.

          • Katrael

            Eric Jones, if capitalism is fascism then I’m a fascist. I’m a tiny business owner who wants what all human beings want: to get ahead. In fact we are all in business: the business of securing those things we want and some of you have your ways and some of us have ours. Your way seems to be the “take what you didn’t work for even though you agreed to work for your wages” attitude? I don’t blame you for wanting what you want and don’t even blame you, if what I said is true, for doing what you feel you need to do. You are a fascist just like I am. The question I have is: are you willing do do anything to get what you want including: lying, cheating, stealing and murdering to get it?

            All of mankind’s problems stems from two things: greed and a lust for power. You can define these things anyway you want by calling it capitalism or fascism but the problem remains the same.

            I’m sorry that you are descended from monkeys. I’m a future king of my Father YHWH and am not a product of evolution. Hmm, that must be what’s wrong with you and explains your attitude? You haven’t yet evolved far enough past the monkey stage yet.

          • Eric Jones

            You conservitives just can,t pay attension can you? i didn,t say ” capitilism is facism ” what i said WAS facism can,t exist without capitilism. try to focus please.

          • Katrael

            Eric Jones, “You conservitives just can,t pay attension can you? i didn,t say ” capitilism is facism ” what i said WAS facism can,t exist without capitilism. try to focus please.”

            Well, lets see now: if you can’t have fascism without capitalism then capitalism and fascism have to be the same thing. I’m focused and I don’t agree that you can’t have fascism without capitalism.

            The problem with progressives is that they often want to rewrite what the meaning of words are while not informing others that they’ve changed definitions to suite themselves. You don’t know what capitalism or fascism is and apparently don’t have the education to have a serious dialogue with someone on this subject?

            If we can’t agree to the definition of words then how can we have meaningful communication? There is nothing in the definition of fascism that even remotely can include true capitalism hence my harsh response to your progressive ideology.

          • Eric Jones

            Capitilism the econamic process where the means of production are owned privatley. fascism a political ideallogey chaeecterized by totalitarian control of the citizens lives an extreme nationalism and staunch anti-communism. if your not a communist/socialist odds are you are a capitilist.

      • needfulthings

        Katrael is more than a little DISINGENUOUS in her/his daffy-nition of socialism.

        > There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.<

        Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership AND/OR control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy, and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises
        They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets versus planning, how management is to be organised within economic enterprises, and the role of the state in constructing socialism

        Again … we've ( USA ) been operating under a form of SOCIALISM since the 1930's , any government's founding documents the start off with the words "WE THE PEOPLE" is a collectivism type democracy a "Cooperative system if you will.

        It be what it be and thats all that I can see !!!!!!!!!!

        • Katrael

          needfulthings, I’m a sixty year old male so you can quit saying he/she. I gave you a dictionary definition that was not my own so it’s Webster’s daffynition and not mine. You also prove my point and the point of many: that we live in a socialized system. I understand the nature of social enterprises but the daffynition I used points to the government form of socialism that we are now living under. It’s one that I don’t want and any sane person would avoid as it leads progressively toward stricter more tyrannical government.

          • Eric Jones

            So you dont like the current state of things eh? then my good man in the words of every republican everywhere ” if you dont like this country you can get out!!

          • Katrael

            Eric Jones, you’re right: I don’t like this country….I love it. I don’t like the way people behave and that’s my YHWH given right. I fully realize that there is nothing I can do about other people’s behavior. I don’t have to go anywhere on your say…thankfully.

            As far as not liking things? I was also granted the right to try to change what I don’t like. We all have the same rights but thankfully and woefully we don’t all have the same power.

            I also see how you seem to have skated to another issue trying to put the spotlight on something other than your own ignorance. Be well and prosper anyway.

          • Eric Jones

            In my experiance when someone accuses you of something i.e ignorence it is because they dont want others to notice that they have it worse then anyone.oh and by-the-by how classicaley republican of you to blame human nature while ignoring the blatenley contradictorey capitilist system that person grew up in.

          • Katrael

            Eric Jones, How old are you? This statement shows your lack of education, “In my experiance when someone accuses you of something i.e ignorence it is because they dont want others to notice that they have it worse then anyone.oh and by-the-by how classicaley republican of you to blame human nature while ignoring the blatenley contradictorey capitilist system that person grew up in.”

            First off, I’m not republican. The two party system is a myth. There is really one party with one agenda but each with the job of distracting the sheep from the real issues.

            Capitalism? Since when in the last 100 years have we had a capitalistic system? And another thing: your comment about blaming human nature for our problems shows more of your ignorance. Any system of government or economics we have is the result of human nature. Cows don’t make our governments and economic systems so why wouldn’t we blame our problems on faulty human systems?

            Now for some news for you: if you spend more than you take in you go bankrupt.

          • Eric Jones

            But human nature is shaped by the envirament that person lives in i.e. the capitilist system. i understand that human nature will effect any system we emplement that is why we should emplement a system that could change that nature for the better. and by-the-way capitilism is defiend as ” the econamic system where the production of wealth is owned by private owners. name one time in american historey where that HASN,T been the case.

          • Jim

            Thank you. My sentiment exactly.

        • Katrael

          needfulthings, private individuals entering into social arrangements peacefully between themselves is a good thing. Private individuals being forced into social arrangements by a strong central government is a bad thing as it’s the worst sort of tyranny.

          One other thing, at least I address my comments to a person and not to a nebulous audience that doesn’t exist.

          • needfulthings

            Well Katrael , We elect them over and over, they’re our representatves and there’s your answer. YOU entered into social arrangement with the government we have and if you didn’t you should be in the streets showing your displeasure.
            Oh I think the people I wanted to read my words DID and some are nodding in agreement!.

            Private individuals! there ain’t no such thing! dubya made sure of that and NO Government is gonna give you back your privacies.

          • Katrael

            needfulthings, Thanks for commenting to me. I have no faith in our current political system and haven’t for some time. Double U, his ancestors and probably his descendants are just as evil as the current batch of politicians. We ceased to have a real government of the people by the people and for the people for real back in 1913. Woodrow Wilson, while not a good president, was the last real one we had. Since them we’ve had a two party system to keep us distracted by party politics all the while our so called elected officials have been busy turning us into slaves.

            It doesn’t matter to me if anybody agrees with this or not? If I’m wrong then it’s a happier day and if not most people are going to wake up into a nightmare and not from one. I see from history and from my own personal experience how things have “progressed” through the generations and I see that we are just beginning the real nightmare phase of things. I’m awake.

            I really do mean this: be well and prosper.

          • needfulthings

            I’m all for a 3rd party …….
            At my age ( a lttle older than you) I went to two occupy protests, first one went well the second one a POLICE RIOT was eminent I left at that point. Next time I’ll stay but I’ll wear my motorcycle gear including my full face helmet.

          • Jim

            I recommend trying a Tea Party gathering. Contrary to what you may have heard on MSNBC or CNN, they are very peaceful, respectful, and include people of all races and religions,

            You might be surprised. They are not protests by any stretch of the imagination. I have been to tow of them.

          • needfulthings

            No No NO! I’ve done that (twice) and find the T-party too RACIST, completely out of touch with Reallty, Phony . They are paid for by the Koch brothers and don’t even know it! ” keep the government out of my medicare” Really!!!!!!

            I’m a liberal (small “d”) democratic socialist , like our country has been for 80 years!

          • Jim

            Racist???? I don’t know where you went, but the Tea Party rallies that I went to had about 25% black people and other non-whites. And the main speaker was Herman Cain. But I guess you have something to say about Herman Cain too.

            I have NEVER seen any racism at a Tea Party rally. NEVER NEVER NEVER.

    • Johnnie

      Invented by Republican Think Tank Heritage Foundation and practiced by then Gov. of MA Mitt the Flip Romney. We Progressives wanted Single Payer, Public Option. The Mandate was a Republican negotiation in getting the Bill passed.

  • Johnnie

    Brandon, why are your trolls carrying signs saying: “Keep your socialist hands off my Medicare.” Could it be they listen to idiots like you. Have you opted-out of SS Medicare/Medicaid yet?

  • Waldeck Charles

    ObamaCare is not socialism. On the contrary ObamaCare is a market driven, private insurance controlled health care product. So u started your article with a false assumption.

    • Pragmatic Skeptic

      Please state the correct assumption. How is Obamacare market driven? Please define “private insurance” and who controls the healthcare product? Please explain. I am quite curious and my mind is open to common sense rational arguments. Convince me.

  • JON

    Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this…

    1. The Military/Defense – The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

    2. Highways/Roads – Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one’s use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany’s autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That’s right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

    3. Public Libraries – Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

    4. Police – Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

    5. Fire Dept. – Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn’t pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn’t pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people’s houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don’t take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

    6. Postal Service – Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it’s all made possible by socialism.

    7. Student Loans and Grants – Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

    8. Bridges – Along with our highways, our government used your taxpayer dollars to build bridges. This allows the public to travel across rivers without having to sail or swim.

    9. Garbage Collection – Like having your garbage collected once a week instead of having to drive it to the landfill yourself? Thank socialism.

    10. Public Landfills – Taxpayer dollars are used to have places to dump all of our garbage that is collected by taxpayer funded garbage men.

    11. War – That’s right! War would not be possible without socialism. Your tax dollars are used to fight wars for your country. This is Big Government at it’s biggest. Private companies don’t attack other countries, at least not yet. Government is the only entity in America that can defend us from foreign enemies and our tax dollars are used for every second of it. Socialism has brought down Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Bin Laden. War may very well be the most socialist thing on this list.

    12. Farm Subsidies – Our government uses taxpayer funds to pay farmers and businesses to provide their income and keep them growing food for the public.

    13. CIA – The Central Intelligence Agency is vital to America’s security. The CIA is completely taxpayer funded to protect the public from enemies.

    14. FBI – The Federal bureau of investigations is a taxpayer funded government agency.

    15. Congressional Health Care – As Republicans in congress warn us of the evils of government-run health care, most of them are covered by taxpayer-funded government-run health care. You literally pay for their health care while they tell you that paying for your neighbors health care through a public option or single-payer system is socialism. They are 100% correct, it is socialism. They’re just not telling you that they like their socialist health care, they just don’t think you should have it. They are afraid you might like it better than the private insurance you have now that funds their campaigns and gives them money to push what is best for them and not for you. Members of congress are free to opt out of their evil government health care, but most of them don’t because deep down, they like socialism too.

    16. Polio Vaccine – In the 1950′s polio ravaged the United States. Until Dr. Jonas Salk invented a cure, finally ridding America of this terrible disease. Dr. Salk could have sold his vaccine in the free market and made millions and millions of dollars. Instead he gave it to the federal government to begin eradicating polio. He said that he made plenty of money as a scientist and felt it was too important to try and profit from or create a business around.

    17. EPA – Republicans hate this taxpayer-funded government program because they have the nerve to tell corporations that they may have to follow environmental rules ad regulations for the greater good of the earth and the people who live on it. But if you don’t like breathing mercury, drinking dirty water, and breathing in chemicals, you should like this example of socialism working for the people.

    18. Social Security – You pay a tax to help ensure that our grandparents and senior citizens of America have money to live off of when they are retired or too elderly to work. I love hearing rich people bitch about this one because the truth is that they do not pay a social security tax, like most payroll taxes. This little piece of socialism helps prevent our senior citizens from sinking into poverty and starving to death.

    19. Museums – Many museums are privately owned by organizations and groups, but many are also taxpayer-funded state, national, and federal museums.

    20. Public Schools – Can’t afford to send your children to an expensive private school? Thanks to socialism and government, you child can still get an education. Public education has been under attack for decades in this country by the radical right because public schools don’t teach Christianity to your children and it enables people like Barack Obama to work hard, gain scholarships, and eventually become President of the United States.

    21. Jail/Prison System – Many murders and criminals are behind bars right now and not out on the streets because of our taxpayer-funded, federal and state run jails and prisons. Taxpayer money is collected and used to help protect all of society from murders, molesters, rapist, etc. I know there’s a lot of disagreement and controversy about how to handle our prison system, but I think we can all agree that serial killers should not be freed into society. There are also many private prisons in the United States. However, they have a higher escape rate than their socialist counterpart. Besides, don’t you see the bad incentives in having a private prison system that profits from having people in prison? Since a business’s top goal is to make more money than the year before, the only feasible agenda would be to get everyone in prison.

    22. Corporate/Business Subsidies – This is the type of socialism that is acceptable in the Republican party. You tax dollars are given to big corporations to do things they should be doing anyway out of morals and ethics. Like not sending jobs overseas and hiring people. Wouldn’t you like a nice big check just for not breaking the law? To be fair though, many businesses do earn their subsidies by advancing green technology and practice, donating to charity, helping communities, etc. They aren’t all bad. People just get mad when big billionaire oil companies get billions of their taxpayer dollars while they’re paying $4 at the pump. For the corporations that don’t earn their subsidies other than donating to their very own political party, it’s merely welfare. Though however you look at it, it is socialism.

    23. Veteran’s (VA) Health Care – Our soldiers bravely go to foreign countries and risk their lives at the request of their government and the American people. For those who survive, we as a country feel committed and obligated to ensure that they have everything they need for the rest of their lives for their service to us in which we could never fully repay. So we the taxpayers fund their health care in a government-run single-payer system for veterans. Many soldiers return with mental and/or physical health issues that would cost them thousands in a private health care plan. Socialism funds the military, the overall war, and also takes care of our troops when they return home.

    24. Public Parks – Like going to the park on a sunny day? Just being able to walk right in, or at the worse pay a small fee? This is once again the work of socialism. If it were private, it wouldn’t be a park, it would be someones back yard. That small or non-existent fee will turn into a $15 fee faster than you can say “No Trespassing”.

    25. All Elected Government Officials – From the Supreme Court, to the President of the United States and all the way down to the County Dog Catcher, taxpayers pay their salary and provide the funding for them to do their job. We pay for every aspect of their job. So in a sense, I guess you could say our whole country is run on socialism.

    26. Food Stamps – Republicans fill with bitter contempt knowing that our government at the expense of the taxpayer is giving poor people money to buy food they couldn’t otherwise afford. This, like welfare, is what the right thinks socialism is all about, along with mass murder. However, just like corporate welfare, welfare is socialism. I’ll just end this one with a quick story. I have been down and out in periods of my life and sought assistance via food stamps. Even though I was what anyone would consider poor, I was not poor enough to get food stamps. Which means people who do get them, must really, really need them. As far as my personal experience, they weren’t thrown around like candy the way the right would have you believe.

    27. Sewer System – Do you like having a sewer system to remove waste and prevent pollution and disease from seeping into our environment? Thank the taxpayers of America and the socialist system it operates in.

    28. Medicare – Medicare is one of the most liked socialist programs in America. Most of us don’t mind paying taxes to provide our senior citizens with health care and hope the next generation will do the same for us. If you don’t believe me, just look at almost any poll. Most seniors would not be able to afford private health care. So this form of socialism is a life saver for this nation’s grandparents and senior citizens.

    29. Court System – Whether it’s the murder trial of the century or a case in a small claims court, the taxpayers of America fully fund our courts and legal process. You may pay for your own lawyer, but the courtroom, judge, and jury is paid for through socialist means.

    30. Bird Flu Vaccine – You don’t have bird flu right now and probably aren’t worried about it because our federal government used taxpayer funds to pump vaccines all over America.

    31. G.I. Bill – The G.I. bill allows veterans to pursue an education by using taxpayer dollars to help them pay for most of their schooling. It also helps them with loans, savings, and unemployment benefits.

    32. Hoover Dam – Remember when our country use to build things? Our government built the Hoover Dam using taxpayer funds. It is now a vital source of power for the west coast.

    33. State/City Zoos – American families have been going to the zoo for generations. A place where kids and adults can have fun seeing creatures and animals from all over the world and learn at the same time. Many zoos are ran by the state and/or city, using taxpayer funds to operate and even bring the animals to the zoo.

    34. IRS – I know, the IRS is about as popular and well liked in America as a hemorrhoid, but think about it. The IRS is the reason that we have anything. The IRS collects taxpayer funds for the federal government. The government then dispenses these funds to our military, states, and social programs. If there is no one collecting taxes, no one will pay them. If no one pays taxes, our country shuts down. Without money to operate, nothing operates. This may sound like a good thing to some radical republicans, but for those of us with sense, we know this means anarchy in the USA. The IRS gets a bad rap because if you don’t pay your taxes or owe them money, they can be ruthless. Like everything else, the IRS is not perfect, but without them we literally have no country or no means to run it.

    35. Free Lunch Program – Some children are living in poverty by no fault of their own. I’m not saying it is even their parents fault, but you surely cannot blame a child for the situation they are born into. In most if not all states, there are programs where children who live in poor households can receive school lunch for free. The taxpayers of the state pay for this. Sounds like socialism to me, and also the moral and Christian thing to do.

    36. The Pentagon – Our defense system in America is a socialist system from top to bottom. We as taxpayers fund the pentagon completely.

    37. Medicaid – Our government uses taxpayer funds to provide health care for low-income people. Republicans, the compassionate Christians that they are, absolutely hate this program. What they fail to understand is that when people can’t afford to pay their outrageous medical bills, they don’t. This bill does not disappear. The loss that the insurance company, doctor’s office, or hospital takes gets passed down to everyone else. So covering people and giving them a low-income option reduces costs for them and everyone else. This is the main argument behind a health care mandate. It’s not to force you to buy health care out of cruelty. If everyone is covered, costs drop for everyone. If you have no compassion for the uninsured, you can at least understand the rational in a selfish sense.

    38. FDA – The Food and Drug Administration is far from perfect. It is infested with corporate corruption and they have been wrong many, many times. Countless times they have approved things that they later have to apologize for and have banned things that would have helped people. However, they have also stopped many harmful foods and products from being sold to the public and protect us everyday from poisons being disguised as products. While not perfect, they are needed to prevent harmful food and drugs from being sold to you and you family. Without them, corporations can send whatever they want to your supermarkets and drug stores without any testing or evaluation. I don’t mind my taxes going towards a middle man to inspect the safety of the products we are being sold everyday.

    39. Health Care for 9/11 Rescue Workers – After beating back GOP obstruction, Democrats finally passed a bill last year to allow government to help 9/11 rescue worker’s with their health care after many came down with horrible lung diseases from the toxins they breathed in rescuing people from smoldering buildings. These brave citizens risked their lives and health to help complete strangers. They deserve more, but covering their health care is a good start.

    40. Swine Flu Vaccine – Do you have swine flu right now? Then thank government and the socialist structure.

    41. Disability Insurance (SSDI) – For those who are disabled and cannot work, our government provides an income for them via taxpayer dollars as opposed to the other option of letting them starve to death.

    42. Town/State Run Beaches – Like going to the beach? Like it when the beach is clean and safe? Like having lifeguards on staff in case of an emergency? Then once again, thank the taxpayers and the socialist structure that makes it all possible.

    43. Corporate Bailouts/Welfare – The whole point of this post is to prove that we ALL use, benefit from, and like socialism. This example is a form of socialism that the republicans not only like, but fight tooth and nail for. They don’t like it when socialism is used for working/poor people, but when it’s for millionaires and their corporate donors, socialism becomes as American as apple pie. The middle/working class who are the majority of taxpayers pay for welfare for corporations and people who have more money than all of us combined. When our government bails out a bank or gives a subsidy to a billion dollar corporation, you are paying for it.

    44. State Construction – Ever see those construction workers in your town fixing potholes, erecting buildings, repaving highways and roads, and fixing things all over town? They themselves and the work they do is taxpayer-funded state socialism.

    45. Unemployment Insurance – All your working life, you pay payroll taxes. Some of these taxes go toward a program that temporarily provides for people who lost their jobs until they can find another one. You pay for others, others pay for you. Especially these days, you never know when you might lose your job. You may need temporary assistance until you get back on your feet. The government recognizes this. UI also keeps the economy moving in times of recession because people still have some money in their pockets to buy goods and promote demand.
    46. City/Metro Buses – If you lack transportation, you can catch a city bus. Taxpayer funds and the fee you pay to take the bus make it possible for millions of people to go to work.

    47. WIC – WIC is a federally funded program to assist women, infants, and children. WIC helps low-income families by providing funding for nutrition, education, and health care for children.

    48. State Snow Removal – Even though sometimes it may take them longer than you like to get to your street, do you like having snow plow service to clear our roads and highways in the winter? This is a state socialist taxpayer-funded service.

    49. PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) – PBS operates on donations and government funding. The provide non-partisan news and information to the public. They are the home of Sesame Street, Masterpiece Theater, and The Antiques Roadshow. Surveys show that they are literally the most trusted name in news. I wonder how Fox feels about that?

    50. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – The CDC helps promote and enact the health and safety of the public along with helping to prevent and control illness and disease. The CDC is a government program that operates on taxpayer funding.

    51. Welfare – Is there anything the republicans hate more? Of course I’m talking about the welfare that goes to poor people. Corporate welfare is not only accepted in the republican Kabul, but it’s mandatory that we give our tax dollars to billionaires and not question the logic of it. Though if you look at it realistically and not through the red scare glasses in which the right sees the world, welfare helps the economy. As I’ve said many times, when poor people have money in their pocket, they buy things made and sold by companies. This creates a demand. To keep up with demand, businesses must hire to keep up. If you yanked everyone who is on welfare off of it tomorrow, the economy would take a blow and lose jobs due to the down tick in consumer demand because we just took what little money they had away.

    52. Public Street Lighting – Like being able to see at night when you walk or drive? Thank Socialism.

    53. FEMA – If Disaster strikes, FEMA is there to help pick up the pieces. As a part of homeland security and an agency of the federal government, they use taxpayer dollars to help cities, states, and towns recover and rebuild. I don’t know to many private companies that could assist in disaster relief and ask nothing in return. Thank God for socialism.

    54. Public Defenders – Ever been in trouble and couldn’t afford a lawyer? Well the taxpayers and the government make sure you still get representation.

    55. S-CHIP (State Children’s Health Insurance Program) – S-CHIP is a program that matches funds to states for health insurance for children in families that cannot afford insurance but make too much to qualify for Medicaid. Your tax dollars go towards covering uninsured children, is that so wrong?

    56. Amtrak – Amtrak transports tens of millions of passengers a year in 46 states and three Canadian Providences. It is owned by the federal government and your tax dollars are used to fund it. All aboard!!

    57. NPR – National Public Radio operates on private and federal funding along with public donations. NPR has been one of the most trusted news sources in America for over 40 years.

    58. The Department of Homeland Security – Created after the terrorist attacks on 9/11, this heavily federally funded department of the U.S. government helps protect us from future terrorist attacks. This is the third largest department within the United States government.

    59. OSHA – Do you have a safe and healthy workplace that provides training, outreach, education, and assistance? Thank OSHA! Brought to you by the taxpayers of America and socialism.

    60. State and National Monuments – The Lincoln Memorial. Mount Rushmore. The D.C. National Mall. All brought to you and maintained with your tax dollars. Socialism is patriotic?

    61. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) – The USDA enforces regulations on the farming, agriculture, and food industries to ensure food safety, natural resources, and hunger worldwide and in the United States. Your tax dollars are used to help keep what you are eating safe and even feed those who are not eating.

    62. Government Scholarships – if you work hard in school and show true potential, our government will give you a scholarship towards college so you can advance your education. Your tax dollars have been used to send future doctors, lawyers, scientists, and even presidents of the United States to college.
    63. Department of Health and Human Service – The overall goal of HHS is to promote, implement, and ensure the health of the American people. Your tax dollars are used to do this. Government looking out for the well being of it’s people, imagine that!

    64. Census Bureau – Every ten years, our government collects data about our people and economy, to better serve and represent us. From the forms that are sent to your home for you to fill out and send back in and to the census worker who shows up and kindly asks you to fill out the form if you don’t send it in, all taxpayer funded socialism. The information collected is used to better understand the economic situation and population in your area. Not to enslave you in a FEMA camp.

    65. Department of Energy – This taxpayer funded cabinet of the federal government oversees nuclear weapons, nuclear reactors, energy conservation, radioactive waste disposal, and energy production. To those of you who care about our environment and would rather not witness a nuclear holocaust might consider this money well spent.

    66. Customs and Border Protection – the CBP is the largest law enforcement agency in America. This is big government that republicans actually do like because they don’t like Mexicans immigrating to our country like our ancestors did. However, this taxpayer funded, socialist agency of the federal government regulates trade, imports, and immigration.

    67. Department of Education – This cabinet of the federal government is actually the smallest. They administer and oversee federal assistance to education. They also collect data and enforce federal laws and regulations involving education. Even though the right thinks that this department is indoctrinating your children, they actually have no control over curriculum or standards.

    68. Secret Service – Your tax dollars are used to provide highly-trained, skilled professional bodyguards to protect the President of the United States.

    69. Peace Corps – The Peace Corps is a volunteer program run by the government that helps people outside of the US to understand our culture as well as helping us learn about other cultures. However they are more well known for their work with economic and social development in less-fortunate countries. Sounds very Christian for being a socialist program, huh?

    70. Department of Justice – The DOJ is responsible for enforcing the law. Socialism keeps our civilization intact.

    71. National Weather Service – Like knowing when a storm, tornado, earthquake, or snow is coming? Socialism makes this possible and available to everyone.

    72. The White House – Our taxpayer dollars through a socialist means pays for the house that the president and his family live in during a presidents time in office.

    73. Government – Like it or not, our country would not be a country without a government. Every single day, government on state and local levels serve us in ways we simply take for granted. Government as an entity operates and functions on our tax dollars through a socialist structured funding system. From the military down to the county dog catcher, socialism turns the wheels that make our society function.

    74. Law – Laws and rules make our democracy possible. Remove these laws and you have sheer anarchy. Laws do not appear out of thin air. To have law, you need a government. You need elected lawmakers to make the laws and a government to implement and enforce them. Socialism is responsible for every law in this country. Without our government and lawmakers which exist thanks to socialism, there would be no laws. So the laws themselves, are enforced and implemented thanks to socialism.

    75. Civilization – As an American citizen, you enjoy freedoms that many in other countries do not. Like anything else in this world, our government is not perfect, but you should be thankful everyday that your country has a government that feels an obligation to serve the people and protect their rights and freedoms. This is completely possible because of government, taxes, and socialism. Do you think the private sector would do a better job of governing our country? Do you think corporations would enact laws to help protect and serve you and your family or them and their profits? The reason you can read this blog and the reason I can write it whether you agree with it or not is because of the freedoms we have here in America enforced and protected through socialist means. Our entire civilization depends on us being a people united. Socialism is a glue that binds us together and makes possible the things that we could not accomplish as individuals working against each other.

    • I don’t care who you are.- Rich or poor. Teaparty Republican or Liberal Socialist.
    You benefit from at least one or more of these 75 American Government-Run, Taxpayer funded Socialist programs, agencies, and laws.

    Wake up a smell the reality! And please, stop whining about Obama being a socialist! Socialism, as well as Capitalism, is simply a part of America.

  • Anja

    Are you serious? Wow, sounds so sweet and nice, why for goodness sakes, I guess I did not see just how perfect and wonderful all the “socialist” programs are. It is the individuals, yes working together often, that makes all the above work when it rarely does. You fail to mention the corruption involved in government run organizations. So much money disappears into, oh yeah, no one who should know seems to know……and you did not mention how pathetic the results are of government run institutions like public education….and mostly, if socialism is so wonderful then why has it failed worldwide????? I wonder your ages when you fail to bring up what socialism has cost? Let us call it communism because that is what it is. Communism has no respect for life or freedom, the Russion and Chinese communist dictators starved and slaughtered nearly 100 million people, apparently losing a “few” people was “necessary”, humans to them are like any other “animal” because there is no God, so what is the big deal? Communism in theory like the mission statements of government programs, sounds really nifty yet it never works. I SAID IT NEVER WORKS!!! Why do you not ever mention this????? It is easy to state the “mission” statements of the above but you left out the nasty details on how it negatively impacts society and individuals. Oh yeah, and what about our constitution? The only thing the government is supposed to be taking care of is the protection of our country and some infrastructure but it is into every aspect of our lives and trying, particultarly through democrats, moderate republicans, loonies, illegals and liberals, to take away all of our freedoms including our right to our religion and weapons. You have complicated the most simple of basic principles. This country was built on some simple facts: Men are created by a creator (oh, she said creator, that means God, we must attack because we have been brainwashed to hate and even want to kill people who believe in God like Christians do…..but we are tolerant and especially super intelligent elitist gobbledegook speakers….) and are equal; The government should be small and let individuals take responsibility for themselves and their actions; we have a right to defend ourselves; we can worship as we choose and so forth. In order for a democracy to work, there must be morality. Now here is the key, when you have morality the rest takes care of itself….This country was founded on the foundation of a Judeo-Christian principles which were and in many cases, still are taught in home and school, and that is why it has worked until recently when we decided that people who hold these values, the constitution and patriotism ect. are the wackos. Interesting how when individuals (esp. communists/socialists) waged war on the values that built this country is when all the problems began to emerge and escalate…..why complicate the obvious, study history, it repeats itself over and over and over and……individuals are the answer not government. You can try to rationalize all you want, but government is the problem always has been. Think about it, you have a handful of people who you believe have all the answers. You must think you yourselves are incapable and stupid to make it on your own or to be able to spend your time and money better. My goodness, you bought the biggest lie of all….If this government falls tomorrow, I will survive and do extremely well because I know I can and will find a way no matter what, I do not need you or the government because I have a brain. Each day I am alive I work towards a better future, I see extremely handicapped people attending universities and playing sports, I know my God has my back, if your not doing the same then change or get out of the way!! I believe that there is no human being that if they wanted to with all their heart and soul, could be and do amazing successful things if they were willing to do what it takes, sacrifice what they need to and persevere until they reach it! Few will, many will settle for less, and many will wait for you to do it for them or give them something. History is full of millions who defy the odds through individual spirit, not government assist. Funny, I hang with the same people who believe the same thing and they are the majority…..what do you know? We are patriotic, Christian, Jews etc., constitutional revering rugged individuals who will never lie down and take your absolute control and immorality……ever! You are sooooo wrong and it is right in front of you, like plain as day, it is hilarious how you don’t see it. (Canada, China and Europe are slowly figuring it out)

    • needfulthings

      This is about the goofiest thing I’ve ever read! So wrong, So silly! We’ve had socialism in this country since the 1930′s , Where have you been? Nevermind I know! Yer tring to connect Communism with Socialism ??

  • John Quitter

    Your article is an excellent expose’ of what is, but you didn’t give what ought to be. How do you know that your ideas are better? Since the people controlling our goverment now are self serving, how do you know that you will not be as well. Everyone believes that what they think is the truth. How do we test the truth? Our founders were God fearing and referred to biblical knowledge as a basis for the principles written into our founding documents. A person can only know this by studing both. They believed the creator knew best and following his instruction, both morally and politically, is what maintains freedom, not the power of the state. As god is slowly pushed out our national character, what is left but every man doing and thinking what he wants as right – result confusion and strife.

  • needfulthings

    Except for this >
    In July of 1798, Congress passed – and President John Adams signed – “An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.” The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.
    Keep in mind that the 5th Congress did not really need to struggle over the intentions of the drafters of the Constitutions in creating this Act as many of its members were the drafters of the Constitution.
    And when the Bill came to the desk of President John Adams for signature, I think it’s safe to assume that the man in that chair had a pretty good grasp on what the framers had in mind.
    Yes! they called it a TAX, Obama wanted to avoid the word TAX so they called it a mandate… still works out to be the same for people and or employeers!

    The right wants to give more tax breaks to the wealthy to bring back all the overseas monies and THAT sounds like a HANDOUT to most! Why do I find it necessary to point out the right needs another lesson in “PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY” ? You moved your operations overseas and you knew the rules, so pay the TAX and bring it back. why don’t you spend some of the TWO TRILLION you have in the bank here? Create them jobs you talk about so much or do you know business CAN’T CREATE JOBS, you just fill a need!

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