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The Smoking Gun

October 6, 2011 by  

The Smoking Gun

On May 3, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder told a House Judiciary Committee hearing: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about [Operation] Fast and Furious (OFF) for the first time over the last few weeks.” Holder, already under scrutiny for protecting the racist hate group New Black Panther Party from prosecution despite blatant attempts at voter intimidation, willingly swore an oath to tell the truth to Congressman Lamar Smith’s panel that day.

Unfortunately for Holder, someone in the corporate media decided to investigate. Documents obtained by CBS News (and ignored by their colleagues at the other corporate media outlets) reveal Holder received detailed briefings about OFF as early as July 2010. It is possible that the calendars at the Obama Department of Justice are as accurate as, well, sworn testimony by Eric Holder. However, it is far more likely that when Holder told the members of the Congressional panel that he heard the lowdown on OFF just weeks before they did, he was prevaricating like Bill Clinton upon being caught in the cloakroom with a plump 23 year-old. (“I was just giving her a little outcome-based education, Hillary. I promise!”)

Let us peel this partisan onion and peer at the proof. Eric Holder lied. He didn’t “forget.” He didn’t “misunderstand the question.” And the internal memos outlining DOJ concerns that OFF had gone off the reservation were not about “a different case.” Granted, he has offered one and/or all of the aforementioned excuses, but his efforts are as transparent as Lady Gaga’s underwear. Holder knew, and people – including at least two Federal agents – died. What should worry you is not whether the most corrupt Attorney General since Janet Reno (possibly John Mitchell, which is saying something) willingly perjured himself in front of Congress; it’s patently obvious that he did.  What should worry you is that if Holder knew about the debacle in such detail, then someone else was fully apprised: President Barack Hussein Obama.

What the Obama Administration, in the person of Holder, wants you to believe:

1. U.S. Attorney and Obama appointee Dennis Burke, acting on a suggestion by Assistant U.S. Attorney and Obama appointee Emory Hurley, approved a gun-walking plan which cost (way) more than $100 million.

2. Despite misgivings from numerous field agents and gun shop owners pressed into cooperating with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, OFF went into effect, with acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson personally watching straw purchases from a CCTV feed in his office.

3. At least two Federal agents (Border Agent Brian Terry and Customs Agent Jaime Zapata) were murdered by narcoterrorists armed by OFF, and numerous OFF-walked weapons have turned up at crime scenes across Mexico and the border region of the United States.

4. Holder and his big buddy, Barack, knew nothing.

I’ll presume that the promotion of Hurley was reward for being such a great guy and was not at all related to the fact that Obama wanted to buy his silence.

I’ll grant the American electorate does not always demonstrate the strongest of intellectual prowess; hell, we elected Obama. But even Sgt. Schultz wasn’t as obtuse as Holder and Obama want us to believe they were, and Col. Hogan was a lot craftier than Eric Holder. Holder’s ever-changing story in the face of evidence that he knew that OFF was going bad like month-old milk speaks volumes.

Since OFF became a public disaster, Hurley has been kicked upstairs, Burke resigned, Melson has been transferred, the White House has issued opaque semi-denials and both Obama mouthpiece Eric Schultz and Holder mouthpiece Tracy Schmaler have launched profane tirades at CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson for covering the growing scandal. The vehemence of their obfuscation doesn’t whisper ignorance; it screams cover-up.

Keep in mind, the alternative is worse. In the only other scenario which approaches plausibility, Holder really did forget the briefings, and Obama never knew that his Justice Department was running a more than $100 million rogue operation which involved thousands of weapons walking into the hands of narcoterrorists, who subsequently employed them in untold numbers of violent crimes. In that case, the President and his Attorney General are so colossally incompetent that they shouldn’t be allowed to manage the lost-and-found at the mall, much less the nation and its Federal law enforcement apparatus.

Of course, if you believe that, I have a… gun to sell you.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • s c

    Comments from the rabid loonies should be interesting on this topic. I could be wrong, but Holder probably got his job because he’s willing to say and do ANYTHING to protect the current prez. I wasn’t motivated to look it up, but I’d be surprised if Holder is a typical product of a reputable law school [Moonbat University?].
    It seems Holder has a memory problem. If it was this easy to catch the AG LYING to America, then we need to know what else Holder is trying to keep secreted from us. I suspect the relationship between Obummer and Holder is akin to an apprentice Bolshevik trying to render legal arguments for Lenin back around 1917.
    If anyone has compiled a list of worst-ever lawyers who took up space in Washington (as a member of an administration), I’d like to see it. Holder HAS to be among the top 5 (out-ranked only by 1 through 4, that is). What a loser.

    • ron

      Sounds like Bush, Cheney, Gonzo that you are talking about. Ask Mr. Crystal if he yelled this loud when Bush lied about Irag and WMD’s ?

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Ron, In typical liberal hogwash, you try to change the subject. Maybe this is what it takes to be a part of the liberal base. Holder can stay focused either.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          That was supposed to be ‘can’t’ not can!

          • Dntmkmecmoverther

            Correcting your spelling still doesn’t correct your ignorant style and response. Get back on your meds before you post more ignorance.

          • S.C. Murf

            Robin don’t worry about little D whatever, he can’t even spell his own name. D whatever time to make that popping sound and ask mommy to turn off the lights

            up the hill
            airborne

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            People with sense recognized what you meant, and you are correct in your statement as far as I am concerned

          • JC

            You’re exactly right Robin. ron’s attempt to divert from the present subject is weak and obvious. And ron? Yeah, I did yell just as loud…but by now, I’m a whole lot more pissed off.

        • 45caliber

          I agree. He is only trying to change the subject in an attempt to keep us off Holder and Oblama.

          • Opal the Gem

            probably a justice dept. plant sent to do just that.

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            the dimwit may be a spelling teacher who the kids try and teach how to play nice, but have not succeeded thus far

        • Old Henry

          Robin:

          Read s c’s first sentence. He nailed it right out of the gate.

        • ron

          Robin, your response was what I expected. Everything this administration does is unlawful and if this president praised republicans for their smiles they would shoot themselves in the face to spite him.

          • mrcave

            Even if Bush did lie, or believed what he was told, or was even born in Nigeria. Does that make this administration better, honest, and immune from criticism?

            Good grief! Regardless of what party is in power, or what idiot is sitting in the oval office today, it’s government accountability that is what matters. The government is out of control.

      • http://personalliberty.com Alice

        Ron, there has never been any evidence that Bush lied in spite of liberals screaming it at the tops of their lungs. For our current president, we have him on video telling lie after lie. I suppose the administration was so accustomed to the media ignoring the facts they thought they could lie with impunity. After all, Hilary got away with pretending she did no remember anything about Whitewater – I thought at the time I’d hate to have a lawyer whose memory was so bad. Now, a reporter has actually begun to do her job (and it is not FOX whom the libs have tried to disparage). So, Oboma et al must be scared that the rest of the reporters may want to do their jobs and the whole house of cards will come down.

        • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

          Well stated Ms Alice. Contrary to what the libs want to believe, the evidence clearly shows that George Bush was telling thetruth as he knew it at the time. Now the small twit Eric Holder is attempting to makethis look like George’s fault. what a true spineless weasel Eric is.

          • http://N/A Glenda Stephens

            And, don’t forget, BO was one who voted for the Iraqi war!!! George Bush DID NOT LIE!!!!

          • Terry MD

            Glad to see some Americans are waking up to the corruption of the US Government. To compare Bush with Obama would be wise because they work for the same people (not the US Citizens), but Bilderberg. This whole gun fiasco was a prelude to make a run on the 2nd Amendment, they were expecting crimes to be committed with these illegal firearms. What they were not expecting was the censored media to run the true story.

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            I don’t see any way George Bush can be compard with Hussain. George Bush was a stouch defender of gun rights, and frewarded accordingly by the NRA upon leaving office. Goerge Bush believed in America, Hussain still doesn’t know America.

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            Sorry for the words not spelled correctly, I was in a hurry to refute any comparison of a true American such as George Bush with a mockery of an American citizen, Hussain Obama. Hussain and his wife have consistently shown their views of America, and their views are not good because Hussain was not put in charge straight from the breech. If only the American public would wake up and realize what we have in the WH now is not good for true Americans or the World.

          • Runninbear

            ALL COWARDS !NOT A ONE WHO TOOK THIER OATH SERIOUS BUT GARNER THIER POLITICAL CAREERS?ITS SAD?

          • stew

            look every thing is Bush.s fault, remember the earthquake well that happen on the bush fault line

          • Old Henry

            Don’t worry about the spelling Oakley. It’s your keebord.

        • Commonsense

          Alice, please don’t try to justify ANYTHING Bush did, O.K.? The man was a crook. Got two words fer ya-PATRIOT ACT! He wasn’t any better than what we got in there now. This isn’t some “save your favorite presidents name from getting smeared” game, this is calling a spade a spade. O.K. Trying to justify one president or another is like trying to convince someone that your dogs poop smells better than, say, Ronnies dogs’ poop. They both stink, O.K. Now move on.

          • Dan

            Heyyy PAtriot Act isn’t perfect BUT it has also enabled our intelligence community and military to STOP terrorist attacks on American soil. After 9/11 ( and I’m not a strong supporter of MOST of these agencies but call a duck a duck ) ATF, CIA, FBI, Homeland security stopped 70 terror cells plotting attacks without 1 single success. Since then probably another 20 or 30. I know there are abuses but over all it’s enabled success in protecting Americans

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            It appears you are the one who needs to move on, you make little or no sense.

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            should have put this was in response to Uncommon bad sense

          • Christine

            The Patriot Act (as currently written & enforced)makes the 4th amendment null & void. If there are decent parts keep them, but there are so many unconstitutional parts it needs to be repealed.

            “Those who would sacrifice their freedom for security, deserve neither security nor freedom.” (I think Thomas Jefferson. It was definitely one of our founding fathers, but I don’t have time to look up which one)

          • Opal the Gem

            I have five words for you. OBAMA RENEWED AND EXPANDED IT.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            commonsense… The Patriot Act has kept us safe. You blame it on Bush, but I remember, it was voted on and supported by both Democrats and Republicans. If either of them would have been opposed to it, it may have had a tougher time going through. Bush always gets the blame, regardless, right?

          • Ed Mack

            You must have picked up Obamas commonsense. OOOPS! my mistake . He didn’t have any. BUT now you’ve lost yours ooorr you didn’t have any either. If you went to college you left it in the box outside the classroom door

          • johnk

            @ Christine
            It was Ben Franklin

          • DaveH

            The Patriot Act has “enabled our intelligence community and military to STOP terrorist attacks on American soil”?
            Sure, like Obama’s stimulus packages have created more jobs.
            Our own military people weren’t protected at Fort Hood from one lone wacko gunman.
            The only “protection” we’re ever going to get is to keep our Government out of other countries’ business, so we aren’t pissing off so many potential enemies. Take this for example:
            http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

          • Old Henry

            Well Comonsense, there is some difference between Bush and Little Barry.

            Bush was at least an American citizen and also was not a communist.

            However, as far as pi$$ong on our Constitution Bush and Little Barry are on a par.

          • Old Henry

            Dan:

            The Partiot Act is not just imperfect, IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

            And DO NOT forget, the Republican controlled Congress wrote it and passed it. Then the Republican controlled House re-authorized it earlier this year. You know, the House with all those “Constitutional TEA Party” members newly elected in 2010.

            Screw the whole lot of them.

          • Old Henry

            Dan:

            Any people who give up Liberty for Security deserve neither.

            The un-Patriot Act is nothing more than a means to soften up the sheeple in the country for their facsist plans in the very near future.

            Lock and Load, Dan. The Nazi-wannabes will soon be roaming your neighborhood.

        • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

          Actually, there is an abundance of evidence that Bonesman Bush – member of the Lucifarian Cabal has LIED repeatedly. Right after 9/11 we were promised firm convincing proof that Bin Laden carried out the attack – evidence that never materialized. I sent a certified letter to Congress Criminal Phil Gingrey that feigns to represent me that was lawfully delivered on 6 April 2011 – that letter demanded the body of evidence that has to this day yet to be disclosed to the public for open scrutiny. By default he has admitted there was no evidence that Bin Laden carried out 9/11 – his FBI.gov wanted poster makes no mention of 9/11 – nor has ever been lawfully indicted for 9/11.

          The day before 9/11 Rumsfeld announced 2.3T$ of what turned out to be career military pension funds MISSING – the next day – not only were the records destroyed in the Pentagon – aptly nicknamed Cheyney did not even have the air raid sirens sound – those white knights were murdered by criminal elements of our own government even if the official government sponsored, media approved conspiracy theory had any truth contained in it at all.

          It is impossible to steal 2.3T$ without having the international banksters involved – there is a Satanic counterfeit of Judaism that is Biblically called the synagogue of Satan [Rev 2:9 & 3:9]- they created the global fiat empire – along with communism, socialism, the UN and its bastard child IsraHELL. I concur with the Anti-Zionist Jews, as does Ahmadinijhad – how does that make us “anti-semitic”?

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            I do not see where anything you say represents George Bush as a liar. A bunch of words with little, if any, meaning. You are surely one of the conspiracy dimwits who believe George Bush caused 9/11? How about for starters for you of small mind, OSMAM BIN LADEN ADMITTED TO BEING THE MASTERMIND AND CAUSE OF 9/11, AND IT WAS REASON FOR THE WORLD TO CELEBRATE AND REJOICE AND PRAISE ALLAH? What more do you want?

          • sybucket

            To Mark Dabney
            What planet are you living on? Bin Ladin admitted that his people flew the planes on a video that was show nationwide. The man was shown in a living room watching TV of the devistation at Ground Zero. They were giving each other high 5′s. ….What more proof do you need? And this claptrap aboput $2.1 T going missing…do you not think the media would have been all over that? Or are you suggesting that 9/11 was used as a cover up of theft…but then 9/11 would have to have been an even bigger coverup . Sorry pal, it don’t pass the smell test.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Mark… Are you commenting on the article above, or do you have your comments confused with another article? Hard to stay focused, huh?

          • Average Joe

            Anyone who believes that 911 was anything other than an inside job, has been asleep since before 911 happened.

            http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/911-a-conspiracy-theory.html

            http://www.911inplanesite.org/

            As for Bush being a crook and a liar….name one public official (other than Ron Paul) that does not wear those shoes well….good luck….because they are all crooks and liars….one coin…two side….but still the same coin..learn this…and store in an easily accessable area of the brain for future use.

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            Average Joe, if you believe in that garbage about 9/11, you are a pure and unadulterated fool. And if you think your candidate is above everyone else, you must be sleeping with him or are just a homo with a fairy dream.. Are you indeed an idiot more than twice, and proud to show it?

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            Mark, your idiotic posting kept me coming back. I cannot really believe you are a free man, surely you must be in jail and intimidated daily by wicked whoresons? Or you are the wicked whoreson?
            Your fanatical belief in the unbelieveable, and your idiotic seemingly immodest way of trying to insert truth to those lies by reciting from Scripture is unrivaled on any posting today. You Sir, have taken the Prestigious Idiot and Liar Award with flying colors. Let the award not mean less to you considering there was only one voter, me. You may consider me as your Master which will make the award more becoming to hold and cherish with your weak mind. There were some real odd balls who tried to steal your glory, but the incoherent and self demeaning way in which you chose to portray your ignorance took you clean over the top with flying colors I am happy to report. Idiot Sir, let it be known far and wide the impression you have made today with your purest ludicrous remarks and idiocy. It is not often a brainless twit revels in ignominy as you do, a true inspiration for all witless wonders to come aftr you. Your Master

        • Alex

          Wrong==The Bush/Cheney Regime had plans drawn up for an invasion of Iraq shortly after taking office, and well before 911.

          The facts are that Bush/Cheney:

          a) IGNORED intelligence that showed Al Qaeda planned to fly passenger aircraft into tall buildings

          b) GAVE UP on finding Osama bin Laden and in order to distract the Fright Wing sheeple,

          c) tossed over 5000 of YOUR CHILDREN into the mass grave of Iraq in a war woven from whole cloth

          Get a clue, Alice!

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            Alex, I believe you are the one who needs a clue, such reaping of hidden Anti-Americanism in your biased statements that are 100% untrue seems to give you reason to believe in your sanity

        • Ernie

          Alice, good comment. Anyone who continues to parrot the oft repeated lie that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq should come to Vancouver. There’s a Donair shop I frequent here. Just go into the shop and announce loudly, “Bush lied! There WERE NO WMD’S in Iraq!” But first have your life insurance paid up, your will completed, and kiss you wife and kids goodbye before doing this. The reason is you probably won’t get out of the shop alive. Why? Because it is owned and operated by a former Kurd who is the last surviving member of his village that was hit by the ploy of “Chemical Ali” (Gee I wonder why they called him that?) and everyone in his extended family was murdered. In a Chemical Warfare attack. Chemical weapons ARE WMD’s! Bush did’t lie. Saddam moved the weapons before the US got there! Read “Saddam’s Secrets” by General Georges Sada for the story.

          • Old Henry

            I think Ernie that those Kurds would not have been killed if old man Bush had kept his promise to them in regards to arming and supporting them to take down Saddam after the Gulf War.

        • Old Henry

          I don’t know Alice. I think maybe that CVS reporter might have simply swerved into some true journalism.

          The upper muck-a-mucks at CBS will soon have her back on the Reservation and all will be glossed over in Chi Ka Go gangster style.

        • Thinking About

          Joe Wilson was sent to gather information and when he reported his findings and still Bush stood before Congress and gave his 16 word lie. When Joe Wilson wrote an article with the truth his punishment was for the wh to out Wilson’s wife and again GWB said he would get rid of who outer Palme. Did that happen, no Cheney stayed on and the next set of lies started. Whether any lies and useless deaths results is a terrible event but never delude yourself that Bush did not lie.

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            Thinking about what,Where did this useless and fraudulent tirade come from? Did you think you were talking on the phone? Such bs seems to be the model for all ye gluttons of left wing fanatism. Bush this and Cheney that, you do realize it is 2011?

        • ron

          Yes both of you are right in your own dreams. If Obama had went to war on the information Bush had and had not found WMD’s as Bush did not. You would be lobbing to waive a trail and move to jail him or worse. Seems Obama was one of a few in congress that knew Bush was up to no good. The fact is he did not move on what he knew but what he cooked up. He (Bush) lied and American soldiers died for no other reason than the fact he wanted to avenge his father and do what that draft dodging Cheney wanted to do. Make money for Halliburton. And you guys say the light blinds liberals.

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            At first I had my doubts, but you have clarifid your position as an extremist idiot. You need to come off make believe, this is not Disney Land, and join the real world in progress. Your mind and body holds Obama so cheaply and dearly you cannot see any light if not given from Obama. You are such a fool you are forgetting that Hussain voted along with everyone else, he was a Senator. You are so ugly thick, how did he vote on the war? You may not want to look that one up. You need to get your warped mind out of the past so you can live in today, maybe shock treatments?

      • old sarge

        Ron,
        You forget something and it is still with us today as bad as husanne was he was more afraid of Iran so he had to keep up the apperance of he may have chemical weapons to keep the Iraians out of Iraq. That being said’ we still have a problem with Iraq and Iran.

      • Bear

        Ron, What planet are you from? It should be obvious to even a first grader that this entire operation (fast and furious) was intended to give the media and the American public proof of what Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the anti second amendment crowd have been shoving down our throats about guns getting into the drug dealer’s hands from the U.S. We’ve been hearing this from Washington ever since 2008. The only problem with their little scheme is that it backfired and we all found out just how those guns were getting into the hands of drug dealers. YES, it was our own Justice Department, the BATF that was making sure Hillary’s lies became true. It was all another ploy to take away more freedoms from us and you refuse to see it. How gullable can you be? Holder’s first action after the fast and furious debacle came to light was another attack on gun dealers. He wanted every gun dealer of the border states to be required to fill out forms reporting multiple sales of any type of rifle to the BATF. THAT constitutes gun registration you fool and that is the prelude to gun confiscation. Check this out! Gun registration, in every case in recorded history, HAS been the prelude to gun confiscation and gun confiscation means the ultimate loss of all rights.

        • Kevlar Linc

          Bear- I believe that the answer to your question (“Ron, what planet are you from?”} is: Uranus. Perhaps when “Ron” has a spare moment, it can share with us earthlings how it conquered the dificulties of extended space travel and how it almost overcame the language barrier….

          • Old Henry

            Kevlar:

            I heard that Bwawney Fwank cirles ron’s home planet UrAnus

        • 45caliber

          I agree with you. It was also an attempt to get enough “proof” to shut down gun shows.

        • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

          Bear is correct. This was an attempt at what Hussain promised Ms. Sarah Brady, that he would get real gun control enacted upon the American people “under the table”. This was all a part of the Govt plan for stricter gun control laws, whether by legal methods, which hasn’t worked, or by illegal methods, which so far has not worked due to a few true and stout American patriots within the BATFE and news organizations.

          • Old Henry

            ANY gun control law is an illegal law per the Second Amendment.

        • Stunned at sunset

          Bear: To “paraphrase” Janet Reno:

          “The Ruling Elite’s love affair with revoking the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Federal Constitution is OVER!”

          I just love it when the Oligarchs kick themselves in the ass. Don’t you?

          • Bear

            Smoke & mirrors, lies and deceit. These are the bricks and morter of the politicians. I trust Janet Reno about as far as I could throw her. Remember Brer Rabbit’s line? “Please don’t throw me in dat dere briar patch.” If Janet Reno thought for one second that her words would cause us to let down our guard for one minute, she is so full of s__t. This country’s gun owners and Constitution protectors are watching everything these communists are doing and believe me, all of them will get their due.

          • Old Henry

            I don’t know Stunned. I haven’t heard the fat lady yet…

          • Old Henry

            Bear:

            I certainly hope (sheesh I hate using that word) that you are correct.

            However, Bush shredded the 4th Amendment, possibly the 5th as well. He had TOTAL disdain for the Constitution.

            I think they all figured Little Barry and his fellow communists would take down the 2nd Amendment and keep right on going with the public disarmed.

            So far, it seems to have partially blown up.

        • DaveH

          Good comment, Bear.

        • ron

          I am gullible enough not to believe a thing you say. And where in this country has gun registration lead to confiscation???

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            What do you think the purpose of gun registration is, toad? No one believes anything you say either since your mind is badly warped, likely from extended space travel? Crawl back in your hole

          • Opal the Gem

            New York Cith and I think Kalifornia.

      • Commonsense

        FInally! A liberal bobbing head that gets it! Obama IS just a black Bush. Only a hell of a lot smoother and twice as dangerous to this country! Bush was a bungling fool compared to Barry! And as far as Eric Holder is concerned, the man could swallow nails and crap cork screws he’s so crooked! I did like how you headed straight for the “Since there’s is no way to justify OFF and that Obuma and his minions didn’t know about it, I will try to absorb and deflect it”. I bet your teachers in school loved you. Let’s point at anything to try to get the focus off the subject. It’s people like you, Ronnie, that shake my belief that people will eventually come to their senses and realize that D.C. and ALL our elected officials are less than vermin. Have been for YEARS! Is there some kind of book that people who try to justify things that are just wrong live by? Oohh! Let me guess, it probably starts with the words,”Place your head firmly between your legs and gently apply pressure while turning your head slightly to the left. O.K. Now that your head is placed firmly in your ass, you can start the fundamental learning of being a Liberal “thinker”.

        • Ted

          Well stated, now we know where the liberals get their CRAP.

      • Lee Baldwin

        ron was another voter that SOLD OUT America by voting for Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Obama aka Barry Soetoro. I KNOW YOU do not believe
        your fascist president could possibly have three names, ron. BUT HE DOES and could have more for all we know about him. HE IS A LIAR & A FRAUD. He isn’t a legal citizen of MY COUNTRY & as far as I am concerned, little Barry is NOT MY PRESIDENT and NEVER WILL BE. I DON’T LIKE ILLEGAL ALIENS taking my tax dollars-PERIOD. CHANGE WILL BE A COMMING, ron. (you will not like it)

        • Old Henry

          Thank you Lee. I have been trying to remember that third aliaa for 2 weeks.

          The fact that that criminal bastard is in office is proof of how absolutely corrupt and slimey our government is.

      • The Other White Meat

        If there were no WMDs, how’d all those Kurds get wiped out?

    • http://N/A Glenda Stephens

      Remember when Clinton was ‘impeached’ for lying about his little episode with the Aide? Incredible that this so-called president hasn’t been impeached a few dozen times. Who is behind this reprehensible ‘man’ in the White House??? Frightening.

      • Dan

        Heyy give poor Slick Will a break He holds the number 2 spot on my all time dumbest public comment list with his “It depends on what your definition of “IS” is”. Just FYI before anyone asks. Obama has number 1 with “We have campaigned in all 57 states”

        • Ted

          He was apparently born in that 57th state.

          • Lee Baldwin

            the state was KENYA, Ted. KNOW IT. WE HAVE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN in OUR
            oval office.

        • stRanger

          It’s even worse than that. He said he had already been in 57 US States and had one more to go. That’s 58.

          Give him a break though, it’s tough remembering all those LIES he’s been trained to spout. This is the guy who couldn’t remember his own BIRTHDAY!

          Typical Leftist! He doesn’t where he came from (and on what day) and has no idea where he’s going next!

      • Bear

        Glenda, Impeachment procedings were initiated but Clinton was never removed from office as he should have been. Ever heard the expression, “that’s like the pot calling the kettle black?” It infers that neither one is any blacker than the other and in the case of our politicians, that’s exactly the problem. You want to know why there’s no “balls” in Washington big enough to start impeachment procedings agains Obama? It’s because every one of them is dirty. Everyone of them has a closet that they don’t want to be opened and thus, they all sit on their hands hoping that no body rattles their cages. The only solution to this problem is to get every one of them out of office and pas a law restricting anyone who is a lawyer or even has a law degree from ever being elected to public office plus a law restricting anyone from being in public office who has assets totaling over 2 million dollars and a requirement that any individual who intends to run for office must have worked in a business such as reatail for a period of not less than ten years successfully. I’m sick of hearing stuff like this last piece of scandle about the millions of dollars of stimulus money that went to a college where Michelle Obama’ brother-in-law was a coach and was going to be terminated because of lack of funds. What do you call that? Sounds like the pot is the same color as the kettle.

      • Lee Baldwin

        NANCY PELOSI is the person behind Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Obama aka Barry Soetoro, Glenda Stephens. It was the Pelosi whom had the chance to tell little Barry his birth certificate was a forgery and he could not run for president, and we all know she did nothing of the kind and probably didn’t even look at the FORGERY. And for those of you out there that still believe in little Barry Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Soetoro (or whatever his moniker really is) -LOOK AT THE EVIDENSE FOR AMERICA’S sake.

    • Tony

      Unfortunately there is one trial that should go first and that is of “Dubya” and his lying crooney Cheyney for getting thousands of people killed trying to find WMD’s that have yet to be discovered

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Rain Rain Go Away Don’t Come Back Another Day. Get Lost Loser.

        • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

          Very well stated Capitalist, you made my day

      • Don

        Another troll at work, go back in your cave !!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Tony… Try to stay focused…. You can do it! Bush is no longer president!

      • Lee Baldwin

        Tony is just another lost person that voted for BARRY SOETORO aka BARRACK OBAMA aka HARRISON J. BOUNEL the first time around. Just like our LIAR-IN-CHIEF, he places blame on others. Tony will again vote for the Liar-In-Chief as Tony’s head is completely buried in the sand
        the the Obama kaka Harrison wants his head in.

    • http://bellsouth.net unique

      Show me a politican that desn’t lie and I will show you a Saint.

    • Old Henry

      I would bet that if the Republicans could get Little Barry and Holder on the gallows where they rightly belong we could sell tickets at 10K a pop and do a pay-pre-view at, say $500 and pay off the Natioal Debt.

      I might even borrow money against my house to attend that one.

      We could let the families of the two murdered agents spring the trap door.

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        Heh, heh, You surely have a method of relieving the National Debt, and I daresay that you are correct in your reasoning

      • Jibbs

        I’ll take two front row seats! And they can’t wear a death hood, I want to look them in the eye and see their faces.

    • JUKEBOX

      I would bet that Holder would not remember when or why he gave a pardon to Marc Reich under the Clinton Administration, costing the American taxpayers over $50 million.

  • Fedup

    Holder and Obama cooked up this scheme to try to smear gun owners and retailers to advance their anti-gun agenda. Both of the scumbags should be hung! Obama should be impeached; but there aren’t enough balls in Washington to get it done.

    • Disgusted

      I agree with you. I wouldn’t put it past this administration to pull something like that to further their own agenda.

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        Disgusted, it is the truth, although I do not want to disgust you even more. The NRA has been on this from the beginning, and I believe if and when the investigation fully reveals the truth, the truth will hurt Hussain and his people immensely because the results will show his hand was in the pot for this illegal activity since it’s conception. Some folks are going to be stunned at the level of depravity that Hussain has sunk(if he was ever average) to in order to elevate his ego and the Muslim doctrine. His crimes are not only in this matter but many more that have yet to be revealed.

      • JUKEBOX

        These two make Al Capone and John Gotti look like Catholic priests.

    • http://N/A Glenda Stephens

      We can only pray this is their only reasons for transporting those guns! Haven’t we all wondered why BHO has been so insistent to keep the borders open? Think of what the terrorists with those guns can do if they ‘invaded’ America? His plan, obviously, is to take America down, to bring her to her knees; what better way than to provide the guns for an invasion! Just wondering about this possibility.

      • 45caliber

        I’m not really worried about terrorists trying to invade our country. Too many of us have weapons, particularly here in the South along the border. I think the entire thing was designed to make the dealers look bad and get public opinion for shutting down gun shows and most dealers.

        • Dan

          45 these people are unlike any we have dealt with , they are cowards, they won’t face you or I . They will blow up our church or our childrens school. BUT they think we are the weak infidel. These people have no idea the wrath they will unleash if they start that here in America. As for gun control I believe government wants gun control for the sole and single purpose of combating the civil unrest that is on the horizon, basically American citizens protecting THEMSELVES FROM GOVERNMENT

          • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

            Here, Here Dan, right on all counts!!!

        • Sheldon

          I heard that Mexican trucks will be allowed back into the United States. Canada is gearing up to transport goods and materials directly to Mexico. The Canadian govt can lock and seal containers and when they get to Mexico they are unsealed and opened. Do you know the actual contents of those containers? Currently sealed containers are going from Mexico to Canada. The US Customs do not have authority to search any sealed container. So do we care what is going through the US without the knowledge of any American? Operation Fast and Furious allowed guns to be given to the Mexican Cartel which was obviously illegal but do we Americans know what is happening other than what is being revealed from whistle blowers. How do I know about all this? Check it out for yourself. I knew a trucker that actually did not know what was in his trailer when the Mexican truck companies moved them to Mexico and then bring them back to the US. The driver himself was not allowed to go into Mexico to supervise the loading of his own truck. Have a good day.

          • Jibbs

            I’ve had plenty of seals removed from containers that I’ve transported. If they want to inspect it they will. Thats why the driver carrys extra seals and records the number of the old/new seal and why and where it was replaced.

      • Dan

        The Sheriff in Arizona Joe Arpaio says 70% of terrorists entering America are doing so on the Mexican border. They have found it is easier to get through the more ..inept security at Mexican airports than croos with the rest of the illegals

      • James

        Glenda, I believe your idea has merit. The idea that they offered these guns just to see where they wound up is silly. It was mostly the Mexican drug cartel that bought them. I would just add that Clinton and Bush also had the ‘open borders’ policy. It was Bush who proposed the North American Union (Canada, United States and Mexico) similar to the European Union.

        • Commonsense

          Thank You James for pointing this out. For all the people on this site, James pointed it out simply and easily. Clinton, Bush, Obama=MINDLESS, THIEVING, BOOBS!

      • JUKEBOX

        I remember when 250 Walther PPKs were stolen from a factory in Gadsden, AL in the early 80′s, and FBI agents were told not to sleep until they found the guns. I guess there is more liberal acceptance of over 1,000 fully automatic weapons today going missing.

    • Rayma Dorsa

      You are right!but it isn’t the scum-bags in DC that is doing it…At this time it is being prepared to present Obama with a “get out of town”notice. by none other than the 10thammendment.com and a Maj.Gen,just have faith, I knew there was some out there who loved this county enough to fight for it here at home.Being a widow of a Korean vet and mother of a military man.I knew these men had to love thier country to go through what they go through,and would not sit back & watch it being destroyed…God Bless the USA

      • Jibbs

        The website you posted doe’s not exist, please provide a link to click on.

    • Kevlar Linc

      Given the circumstances, a firing squad might be more appropriate?

      • Bear

        Ooooooh Kevlar, we do think alike.

      • Wu Ming Ren

        A firing squad would be fun. They’d have to have a national lottery to pick the five members of the firing squad. If they sold tickets, we’d wipe out the deficit in no time.

  • Big Daddy

    when will congress and the incharges get off their dead butts and impeach ehis SOB and all of his cronies.
    they belong in jail.

    • Bear

      When, you ask? Probably never. Read my earlier post. All of these politicians have closets they don’t want opened and that is why they won’t do anything. It would cause a chain reaction effect that would rock the free world. You would then know just how corrupt all of them really are.

  • Macawma

    It is amazing to me that impeachment has not happened yet. What will it take? Those that have “stirred the pot” about the birth certificate, the lies, and myriad other inconsistencies, have been squashed, ridiculed, and ignored. I am amazed at how many of the ignorant people in this country still give O any approval rating at all. I am so stunned by our countrymen’s lack of intelligence. Is it the flouride in the water? Maybe the wierd ingredients in all the processed food they eat? The continual breathing of smog? What???

    • Maine_1950

      Boy, I couldn’t say it better myself. Dead on balls accurate! Congress is too busy fumbling over themselves to still see the light. They’re still scrabbling to keep their jobs and missing the importance of the issues we face on a day-to-day basis. What the heck is with “party politics”? It’s time to run the country for the GOOD OF THE PEOPLE AND THE UPCOMING GENERATION!

      • Dagney

        Impeachment has not happened because WE THE PEOPLE did not vote for enough conservatives to take over the Senate. The radical-left still controls that branch of government and there is no way they would approve going ahead to bring themselves and Obama to account.

        • Cincinnatius

          Dagney, you are sooo right about the reason that Obozo et al have not been impeached. Of course, there is also the fear of the media plastering them with the racist banner. That said, the SS Obozo is sinking! The demorats are starting to realize this fact, i.e., they are going to go down with “The One”. Cornered/doomed rats will do ANYTHING to retain their easy rides…therefore, Obozo might just find that IF the congress were to start impeachment proceedings, his “safe” haven of the senate might not be as friendly as he thinks. I pray that it happens….soon!

          • Ted

            Considering that the worst BIGOT in this nation resides in the WH the racist banner is no more then a joke.

          • Bear

            Cincinnatius, For the conservatives to move on impeachment right now would be the poorest decision ever. Their strategy, knowing that the probabiility of Obama getting re-elected is so low, that impeachment at this point in the journey would only give the Liberals more time to find a replacement who might have a chance. As a conservative, would you want that to happen? I wouldn’t. We need to keep uncovering as much dirt on this administration as possible and make sure it gets exposed to everyone but especially to other Liberals who think he is the Messiah. All we needs to do now is make sure that Romney and Perry aren’t more Bilderberg boys, which it now appears is highly possible. Herman Cain is looking better all the time. I’d like to see a ticket with him and Newt Gengrich. I have yet to see anyone in any of the debates who can think quicker on his feet than Newt. That’s what we need along with a solid plan to get our citizens back to work and our country back into the world marketplace. Right now, I want to know more about Cain’s 9 – 9 – 9 plan.

    • Cliffystones

      That’s what scares me, those who still “support” him in the polls. When I see an “Obama ’08″ or worse yet an “Obama 2012″ bumper sticker, I try to get a look at the driver if possible. Since these folks don’t have their “Sign” as Bill Engvall suggested, I find myself wanting to study the face of “Stupid Beyond All Comprehension”.

      I would never approach and confront any of these fools. But if they asked for my opinion they’d be sorry!

      • http://LibertyAlert Bud

        Obama 2012 – the end of an error

      • ValDM

        I borrowed this from someone else, but it’s appropriate:

        2008=Hope
        2012-Nope

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      Welfare recipients and illegal aliens are who. For the freebies and checks to keep coming to the low bred heavy weight mockerers of freedom, they must have King Hussain Obama. He has promised all of yours to them. These are the same fat heavyweight dimwits who squall and scream on the ground when a murderer of a man with wife and children is legally executed. Pot stirring fat Ho’s for welfare checks who will do anything for Obama.

      • Rick

        I see a lot of Benz or Lexus SUV’s with old white women that are still proudly displaying their bumper stickers.

        • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

          I surely agree, ignorance is in all races, as was seen at the legal execution of the hood who richly deserved the reward he got. My statement was not meant as an indication of one races ignorance, there are white, black, red, yellow, etc HO’s for the almight dollar and King Hussain Obama.

        • Bear

          Don’t forget the Audies and Volvos. Seems to be part of the mindset of these folks. I see them in my neighborhood with whites, blacks and hispanics driving. I carry replacement stickers for those occasions and usually do my handywork at the local grocery store or Wal-Mart. I don’t think they ever notice the change. LOL

    • JUKEBOX

      Some of the voters must have found O’s secret cocaine stash!

  • Charles

    Heart broken over the direction this White House is taking our nation.

  • Lookout

    Looking from afar at the once admired land of the free and and home of the brave, I can’t believe how far the country has sunk. It beggars belief that the liberals can be allowed to foster such depredations. Come on the men of principle, rise up and fight for freedom from corrupt and devious government and fed control.

    • Maine_1950

      Yes, it is now time for the second REVOLUTIONARY WAR and take back our “land of the free and home of the brave”. We sure have lost a lot over the last 50 years.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        They are either incompetent, or deliberately devious. I believe it is the latter.

        • JUKEBOX

          How about BOTH?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        We actually started loosing our liberty during the Civil War. It really escalated with Teddy, Woodrow, Herbert, Franklin, Lyndon, Richard, Jimmy, George H.W., William, George W., and finally Barrack.

        • Don

          Capitalist,, don’t forget about Clinton, he disgraced this country with Monica !!

          • Cawmun Cents

            Actually,He brought us the direct innovator of violation…..
            Janet Reno!

      • Ted

        As a protester in the 60′s & 70′s I thought that would have been it, but they used war in Vietnam to cover “Progressive agenda” then even as they use the current wars to take the heat off thier real political desires. Let us not be fooled again with periphral issues. The silent majority kept quite in the past but we now have a TEA PARTY to voice our needs etc. Let us unite for the cause and rid this land of the of the European Style progressive which we left behind at our founding.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Amen!

    • James

      I think the only chance we have is for a military coup. There is evidence that the military has considered it. These now endless wars in the Middle East, against nations that are no threat to the United States, could trigger it.

  • Bernie

    There were WMD’s Troops found “burried” Mig jets in the Iraq desert with underwing pylons ready for the attachment of saren gas pods, also found, and ready to be dropped on the alliance troops. Only the effectiveness of the allied airforces and special ops ground action prevented Hussien for releaing these……Remember he had previously killed hundreds of Kurds in northern Iraq with unopposed air attacks, plus he kept on hinting he was about to develop a dirty nuclear bomb!
    Sorry you libs you don’t know what you are talking about.

    • 45caliber

      True. He also had miles of semi’s hauling his missiles to Syria less than two weeks before we invaded.

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      Actually, you NeoCons do not even know what the term “Liberal” properly understood actually means – when it is taken as ‘conservative good’ ‘liberal bad’ amoral political bias must be seen as a factor. We know that Bonesman Bush was striving to invade Iraq from day one of his administration- any allegation contrary to many witnesses – such as Susan Lindaur [extremeprejudice.com]- a white hat CIA asset that claims that there really was merit to the pretexts for invading must be taken with apt skepticism

      • Capitalist at Birth

        liberal: generous, ample, abundant, not literal or strict,tolerant, broad-minded, favoring reform or progress. Thus the re-branding to Progressive. I am liberal when I am the one determining what the definition of progress is. I am not when someone else is defining progress. Liberal was the label taken by Totalitarian Socialists in the early 1900′s. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. What is a Neo-Con?

        • DaveH

          My understanding of “Liberal” is somebody who wants to change the status quo. And a “Conservative” is somebody who wants to cling to the status quo. So the people considered “Liberal” when our country was nearing revolution, would now be considered “Conservative”, and vice-versa. Confusing, eh? Such is the English language.
          Personally, I consider those who want Big Government to be Liberal, and those who want to shrink Government back to it’s Constitutionally-restricted size are Conservatives.

  • Donald D Jones ww2 vet

    We can only hope that our Constitution will eventually filter out the disgusting mess in Washington. We do need the sweep of a new broom and as long as we keep electing “elitists” to Congress, we shall have problems, We must roll back the legisislation at least to Ronald Ragon
    time to get free from the massive control which destroyes our nation.and , that is the way I see it.

  • Betty Salsbury

    If Odumbo is re-elected, impeachment will begin immediately. There will be enough Republicans in the house and senate to make it stick. However, if elections are suspended, then all bets are off.

    • Cliffystones

      If Obama IS stupid enough to suspend elections, that’ll make it quicker and easier to dispose of him and his ilk once and for all!

    • Maine_1950

      You need not worry about re-election as long as voices like yours, mine and a vast growing majority of intelligent-guided individuals actually go to the polls and vote.

    • James

      Let’s remember, presidents and vice-presidents are elected by the electoral collage (Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 2), there is no provision in the Constitution for the public election of presidents and VPs.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Thank God for that! The Founders wanted to prevent mob rule.

  • Russell Brust

    I say jail this Obama and Holder liars for their murderous acts and lowlife liar tactics. We are dealing with nothing but commie Chicago type criminals. Get them out of office now before they do any more damage to our citizens.

  • Had it

    We will never know the real number of people killed by the guns that the government bought for the drug cartel. Must be a huge number. 100 million can furnish quit a few guns. Nice full automatics I presume. They probably will last a long time and be used very effectively against our agents for years to come Holder and Obama should be very proud of this operation. Oh I forgot, those guns I’m sure only went to the cartel and not some Muslim extremists they were very careful about that,I’m sure. That has got to be the stupidest operation ever by government. No surprise here though. Incompetent mindless twits. Among the number of people killed by these guns could be someone you care about. You will have them to thank for that.

    • 45caliber

      Had:

      Not fully auto. Those are almost impossible to buy in the US. You have to have a special license, which I’m sure the Cartel buyers didn’t have. But what they did buy was bad enough.

      • sting45

        It’s not that difficult to turn a semi into an automatic.

        • 45caliber

          Most people aren’t gun smiths. Besides, it is not only harder to hit someone on fully auto, it also costs a lot more money for bullets.

          • Capitalist at Birth

            Ahh, but I know people who are. Total cost for a 9mm converted to fully automatic is under $ 50, including labor.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Most who want fully automatic weapons are from the Whorelywood mindset.Keep your head down,and get alot of rounds in the general direction.It was what got you home in Viet Nam.
            However….innovations in combat modifications make that an increasingly ridiculous tactic.
            Hit what you aim at Weedhopper.-CC.

    • Commonsense

      Nixon and Carter applaud loudly at Obama’s antics simply because he makes them look a whole lot less trashy, that is for sure.

    • Rggd Ind

      They should be tried and punished.It is not a race issue.I am a black man from NYC,and do not nor have ever supported these socialist criminals. I think that the most dangerous thing is to presume these criminals to be unintelligent.While they inspire class and race wars to divide us they are both fully united and focused. TO BELEIVE OTHERWISE IS TO NOT APPRECIATE THE POSITION OF THE PIECES ON THE BOARD. GOD BLESS ALL WHO LOVE FREEDOM AND SELF DETERMINATION.

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        Amen, well stated.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    here we go again all those misguided fools marching on wall street really havent a clue what it is all about. washington dc is the real problem they should follow the bus to ncand va

  • FederalistNo84

    At one point in time we heard about guns crossing the border, from the US and into Mexico. I didn’t believe the stories and saw them as another attempt from the progressives (communists) to advance further gun controls. Since that time and if I’m not mistaken, BATFE (BAT-FECES) has issued new regulations for the boarder States. I have not received any follow up on those regulations so I’m not sure what the status is. It’s interesting to note that this is REGULATION and not LAW.

    Once again Congress is missing in action with regards to the United States Constitution. Second Amendment, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” This amendment applies to the Federal, State and local governments. BAT-FECES, created by Congress, creates regulation so Congress is off the hook? I think not. It is Congress that is responsible for the actions of any organization it creates. Unless you believe we have rogue elements operating within the Federal government.

    “Fast and Furious” was created by Congress. Congress believes it has the right to CONTROL “we the people”. We ceded some of our rights and power to create the Federal government. That does not mean we authorized the Federal government to control our lives on any level imaginable. Yet, this exactly what Congress does. Well armed citizens are a threat to tyranny of the Federal government. This the Federal government can NOT allow.

    BAT-FECES may be on the way out and power will shift to the FBI. They will still come after our firearms. BTW, the FBI doesn’t follow Federalism. If you don’t believe me go to their web site and look at their History. Very interesting read.

  • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

    NEWS FLASH: The Bush Administration is still in charge. That is why Att. General Holder proceeded with such an ill-devisd plan. He is surely a vry little putrid man who will never man up to his wrongdoing. If the public only knew how sincere this twit really is to subvert all laws as we now know them. As Eric Holder proclaims, what is good for Eric and Hussain Obama, is good for the Country.

  • Jim

    Well we wondered why the Justice Department dropped the Black Panther Voting intimidation case like they did. Then Obozo surfaces marching along with them in the parade. We know that Holder is doing the double speak of Clinton now, so where is Obozo going to surface on this one? Remember the Iran/Contra thing? Remember how the media was all over that one, how come not this one?

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    wasn’t holder who pardoned rich for billie boy clinton so who is in control i don’t see bush hanging around dc

    • s c

      Skyraider6, Holder’s chief accomplishment for Bubba Clinton was in helping FREE Puerto Rican TERRORISTS just before Bubba had to leave the White House. Kinda makes you wonder what else Holder can do to become an even bigger disgrace to the legal profession. Money, titles and false prestige seem to be Holder’s gods.
      I’m looking forward to seeing Holder surrender his law license – just like Obummer and wife did. NOW would be a good time to do it.

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        Excellent!!!

      • Bear

        Did you know the Congress passed a bill years ago that changed the penalty for treason from “death by firing squad” to “life in prison?” Ever wonder why they did that? I want to see that changed back and then I want the firing squad on these traitors to be televised.

  • sting45

    I hope that the Mexican government files charges against anyone that is involved in this fiasco ! These weapons were not given to rebels to protect their homeland, they were given to drug cartels to kill citizens of mexico ! Charge, extradite, trial, sentence, execute !

    P.S.
    I’m not a liberal and YES….Bush lied and so has every leader we have had since the very first !

    • Bear

      sting45, Your point is well taken. I think the last Presidents who really did any good were Eisehower and Reagan. If not for the foresight of Ike, we wouldn’t have our interstate highway system. As for Reagan, he pushed for smaller government and more free enterprise while building our strategic missile defense system.

  • http://mycheap-acoustic-guitars.com onebuck01

    What is it going to take to get a majority of the voters in this country to wake up. Or is it just that the 47%-51% who pay no taxes just don’t want to crap in their own nests, so they just ignore all this lawlessness, to continue with the tax payer funded hand outs.

    • sting45

      The majority of the 47 to 51% that you are talking about don’t even care about themselves why would they care about this country?

    • James

      It will awareness that the Constitution does not provide for the election of presidents and vice-presidents by the people.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        And, what is your point?

        • James

          My comment should have read “It will TAKE awareness…”, I was answering Sting45′s question.

          • James

            I was answering onebuck01′s question. (Think I got it right now.)

  • bill

    The only way We the People will ever recover is to neuter the two “enforcers” which I believe to be the FCC and the IRS.

    • Bear

      Bill, when a department of the government is defunded, that department goes away. If the budget for a department is reduced, the size of that department is reduced. It is the desire of all conservatives to defund many departments to include the department of education, the EPA, the FDA the IRS and many others. That defunding will allow us to redirect or tax dollars to areas that need to be funded and will allow us to reduce government regulation on our lives and our ability to compete in the world marketplace. That is what we do need. Getting people on welfare and unemployment to enter a job training program as well as the manditory drug testing is essential to making sure we get something for our money ands don’t let the asses in the ACLU convince you that this is unconstitutional. Just about everyone who seeks employment in majhor companies are subject to drug testing and you don’t hear the ACLU bitching about that…….only when it comes to their entitlists.

  • Antidote

    In some cases of malfeasance as we are witness to at the present time, the antidote best used is ???? you name it!

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      impeachment and jail. Scrubber Holder deserves no less than Scooter Libby, jail for the dimwit is only fair. The only thing that could keep him from his Federally appointed cell is race, and King Hussain

  • Dan

    Hmm, so the government gives the narco-terrorists weapons, wont do anything of substance to protect the border, and the drugs flow freely into this country, making billions of dollars of profit for all involved ( just like in the good old Reagan Nicaraguan Contra days ). Sounds like the government has a good thing going and doesnt want anyone upsetting the applecart. They are not serious about protecting our borders and solving the drug war by legalization because there is way too much money involved in keeping things exactly as they are now.

  • http://Walkermedia.org ARTHUR

    sounds disturbing here gentlemen and it is wondered if the blood of 76 is diluted to the point of just not givin a dime worth of attention. Wagons west paused to bury those not able to make it, those who sacrificed for the trials and errors of the trip. Down hill is easy when the wagon drivers Holabumm and the zars are chartin the route……Looks like the o.k. corral scenario is ready to pop.Shall we make it a Little Big Horn debut? Custer goofed in his desire to be prez.. Powder dry there Vets and maybe a little back up. Survivors know how to route a wagon train. Yall boys ready to saddle up and ride? Seriously, sad times ahead, get ready..

    • sting45

      Your point is well taken. Loocked and loaded….

    • Geronimo

      Go on the warpath,paleface,here is one disgusted P.O.ed Native American who has the warpaint, my war lance,pony bow and knife ready to go

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        Geronimo, agreed!

  • http://aol Mike

    Presumably,this is still a nation of laws. As previously noted in this forum, impeachment is but a dream with the Dems in control of the Senate. A criminal trial in a court of law is an alternative to an impeachment trial.

    The evidence to proceed with a criminal prosecution might be obtained by charging those in the BATF who actively enabled OFF, with accessory to murder for the deaths of Agents Terry and Zapata, by providing the firearms used in those murders. Would those in the chain of command be willing to “fall on their swords” to protect those at the top? The possibility of extradition to Mexico for murders committed there could also turn up the heat. I suspect that it would be a plea bargain festival in exchange for testimony.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Hopefully, there will be a Special Prosecutor appointed soon. If not, I am very doubtful that Congressional investigations will succeed soon enough to get to the bottom of this fiasco.

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        I have followed this story from the beginning several months ago. I thought it had died several times and kept writing to my Senator, and anyone else who would listen. If not for a few patriotic news people,a few patriotic BATFE agents and for certain, The NRA, this story surely would have been dropped. I have great hopes that Justice will be served eventually. Eric Holder is surely an incompetent racist who is following his Superiors order, to divide America by any means necessary.

      • AJ

        Capitalist at Birth, a “Special Prosicutor”? Those in power would just come up with someone like Gerald Ford or the other fool who headed up the Commission on 9/11. We’re “F”ed if we think someone in government is going to deliver justice.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          Unfortunately, you may be right.

  • Jack

    Look at the speaches of the president as this operation was going on about bad America selling guns across the border. I beleave this was to be an asalt on our 2nd Amendment and they got cought

    • Alex

      As you have assaulted the spelling of words.

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        Alex, you have assaulted people with your absense of good sense. If you can’t read because of a few spelling errors, you are surely dumber than we thought, and need to stick to “See Spot Run”

      • Capitalist at Birth

        They are more than likely typographic errors, not misspelling as you insinuate. Good Day!

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    It is apparent that AG Holder is a major player in this conspiracy and should be removed from office pending final outcome of a congressional investigation.

  • Angel Wannabe

    The agenda is clear for those willing & courageous enough to open their eyes and see beyond their white picket fences & green blowing pasture’s._ There is so many lies and treasonous activity laid bare by this Administration that they’ve been allowed to get away with, its pathetic & disgusting!
    I pray for a Divine Intervention, if its not already too late to rid us these B*stards!
    They are in bed with the Unions and are Commies themselves, I can’t believe there IS NO ONE in a high enough human power to step forward and help stop these, tyrannical b*stards!_-I am just speechless and damned sad!

  • D.C. Balch

    Born one day (From whence we know not)
    to become the leader of malfeasance,He succeded in convincing those looking for handouts to vote him in as the President of the United States of America. Spilled milk is hard to clean up, but can be done. “Wake Up America”

  • Joey Biden

    Holder is a complusive liar just like BO. We’ll be better off when both of them are gone.

  • AJ

    Well well again we have a president who should be impeached, an atorney general that should either be fired or forced to resign because of a “F” up or a political donation pay back of a $100 million to the Mexican narcoterrorists. But politics as usual prevails and Attorney General Eric Holder who is personally responsible for the deaths of two Federal agents (Border Agent Brian Terry and Customs Agent Jaime Zapata)and he just lies his way out of it. And politics as usual President Barack Obama is trying to catch up with the Clintons on leaving dead bodies in his political wake. The convient deaths of Donald Young, Larry Bland and Nate Spencer protecting Obama’s reputation and assuring his political future as President, see http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/mom-of-murdered-obama-gay-lover-speaks-up/ and then we can’t leave out the Bush family, there was a book written about them. “The Bush crime family” I believe. Oh if only Barry S. could come back from the dead and talk. Too lenghthy to get into here. But how is all these main stream media and NWO candidates working for ya America? Bout time to wake up!!! “Donnaya Think?”

  • Alex

    The Fast and Furious program (like its idiot movie namesake) is a disaster, no doubt, but bureaucratic incompetence and bungling does not diminish the truth: the Mexican drug wars aree being fought mainly with guns from our wretched country.

    The gun shows must be shut down—they are no more than peep shows for the hateful and violent among us—if you want to protect your family with a gun there is no need to buy from careless dealers without background checks and waiting periods.

    The Second Amendment is toilet paper, poorly-written by frightened slaveowners. The bad writing has left us with a scrambled bit of gibberish with a phrase that is always ignored by the toters: WELL-REGULATED MILITIA. Well-regulated means background checks as well as limits on the types and numbers of weapons allowed.

    Wayne Lapierre and his NRA flying monkeys love the smell of our children’s blood running down the gutter—it smells like freedom….

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      Alex, you are surely deceitful and not a lover of truth and the American way. You actually think people with good sense and means will believe the garbage you spew? You are surely a dipstick who is goaded by your own ignorance.
      Is your real name Eric Holder, or God Forbid, King Hussain himself?

      • Song

        And Alex, like any good liberal, believes that regulations will “solve” the problem..LOL. I guess he has never heard of the black market. FOOL!

    • 45caliber

      Alex: I can certainly tell whose side you are on! And it isn’t the side of the people. Have you ever been to a gun show? Dealers at gun shows do NOT sell without going through every requirement they do at the store. The reasons so many libs don’t like gun shows are 1) people get a better chance to see what is available, 2) you can usually get better deals there, and 3) it might be possible to buy or trade with someone else there who is NOT a dealer.

      Don’t bring the dealers into this as libs like to do. It is a lie trying to make dealers look bad because the libs don’t want to admit the truth.

      • stRanger

        Right on the money.

    • FederalistN084

      Alex said, “The Second Amendment is toilet paper, poorly-written by frightened slave owners.” Your statement reflects your ignorance of the Federalist (Federalist Papers) and the writings of James Madison. In essence James Madison said we would be judged because of slavery. Any one who studies the Bible knows slavery is wrong and I do not doubt this weighed heavily on any of the Founding Fathers who owned slaves. Having said that, their slaves were allowed to acquire wealth and were freed.

      You said, “The gun shows must be shut down—they are no more than peep shows for the hateful and violent among us—if you want to protect your family with a gun there is no need to buy from careless dealers without background checks and waiting periods.” I suggest you have NEVER been to a gun show and attempted to purchase a firearm. I suggest you test my statement. You may find your self in a Federal prison.

      You also mentioned “Mexican drug Wars” and “WELL-REGULATED MILITIA”. I suggest you a member of La Raza seeking to redefine the southern US border.

      I’m awaiting your response and I’ve spoken with your type before.

    • Bear

      Alex, It is better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Your level of aptitude is lower than whale s__t.

      • FederalistNo84

        Semper Fi!

    • Will

      Alex, “well regulated militia” in the parlance of the day meant that the militia was represented in a ratio of population. Militia meant able bodied men from 18-80 years old. If you read the debates surrounding the forming of the bill of rights and check back with an 18th century webster’s dictionary, you will clearly see that what was debated was gun ownership by private citizens to assure the defeat of a tyrannical government the type of which we are rapidly moving toward in this present day. As for the blood of children in the streets. Twice as many children under six drown in partially filled five gallon buckets every year (6) than are killed by gunfire incidental to a crime or by a true accident. As for blaming gun ownership for the murder of children. The people who are affected by the unconstitutional gun restrictions we have now aren’t the thugs killing school boys over gang and drug conflicts. Guns aren’t good or bad. “We the people” need access to the most affective weapons available to ensure the other liberties given by God and deliniated in the bill of rights are kept secure from tyrants. It puts responsibility directly on the shoulders of citizens to keep our government in line and that carries with it danger and hardship, but it’s part and parcel of being an American. An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject. Thanks for reading and read the ratification debates, if you find that you can prove me wrong, keep posting your point of view. I’m always willing to be schooled.

      • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

        Will, This is the finest example of writing the whole truth and nothing but the truth that I have seen in many a long day. Many Thanks

  • Lookout

    Glad to see so many of you can see through the obfuscation

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon

    The Bush administration had a local “gun runner” operation, in which they allowed “straw purchasers” to buy guns and then arrested them before they got to the border. These were really straw purchasers, in the employ of the cartel.

    Obama and Holder had a better idea: let the ATF create the “straw purchasers”, walk the guns into Mexico, trace the guns to the cartels and arrest the actual cartel buyers in Mexico. Holder generally announced this (to say the least) ambitious expansion of the Bush program in a 2009 speech in Cuernavaca, MX and the 2009 stimulus bill contained a $10M expenditure for the program.

    Only a few problems to the plan, not least of which was that nobody ever bothered to tell the Mexican government that the US planned to allow the cartels to get the guns or that the US intended to make arrests on Mexican soil. What’s a little national sovereignty among friends? The second major glitch: the GPS tracking devices were not up to the job; not all worked, and batteries ran out on those that did. Bottom line? The tracking didn’t happen, nor did the arrests. Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata did, however, get killed by guns sold to the cartels in the operation.

    So we are now asked to believe that Obama, a purported Constitutional scholar who ought to know something about the inherent limits to the reach of US law enforcement, and Holder, the principal law enforcement officer in the country, put all this in motion and then decided they had better things to do and left it on auto-pilot; that neither never heard of how Terry and Zapata were killed; that neither were aware that the tracking devices had failed and the guns were “lost”. At best, this is criminal negligence at the highest level of government. At worst, it rises to high crimes and misdemeanors.

    But I get it: Holder lied, people died, Obama played golf. It’s all good.

    • 45caliber

      What tracking devices? This is the first I’ve heard of them. Besides, I don’t know of a single device you can install in any gun that will track them without it being readily seen. At BEST the ATF planned to have men on the south side of the border, which isn’t really allowed. There was no way to follow the guns to the point they could identify any cartel members (other than the runners) or any cartel location. They didn’t plan to do that.

      They wanted to “find” the guns in the hands of cartel members when the members were arrested and then use that as “proof” gun dealers were selling to them – so they could shut down the dealers and the gun shows.

  • Lookout

    Just a warning from here in South Africa. The government has taken the weapons out of White hands by a gradual process of disempowerment as you are now experiencing.One of the consequences is that we have had 3,000 farmers murdered since the end of Apartheid. Not to mention our now decreased murder rate of forty per day. That is equivalent to 280 per day in the US. Forget the politics side of South Africa. Just focus on how governments can disempower the people by pretense, then anything goes. Hang on to your hard fought freedoms, hard times are coming.

    • 45caliber

      Thanks for your comments. You can tell it like it is.

      I still think that the apartheid had a tendency to keep tribal conflicts in control. Now that these are gone, it seems that most of your trouble is due to one tribe, now in power, trying to wipe out the other tribes or at least take all wealth including land from them and let them starve. Am I wrong?

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      As an American who has fought for my Country, I appreciate your comments. There are millions of us Americans who will fight today to maintain our rights with guns or in any other matter regarding our personal freedoms. Our forefathers gave us through their blood human rights that are undeniable, and we will not give them up easily, and certainly will not concede any of our liberties to a “just come here”
      in the WH who has made his shame for us known throughout the world while kissing a Muslim King and stating that he, and indeed all Americans were surely inferior to his Lord, The King of Saudia Arabia, and his true Muslim ideology. I surely hope no one in the world thinks real Americans would ever get down on all fours and accept the “Obamaism Treacle” of servitude and daily just whippings from our Arabian Masters on Hussains say so. No, we are much better than BO gives us credit for, he does try mightily to diminish us as greedy, inhuman and dull fools when in fact, he is not us or his to diminish.

  • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

    Holder and Obama should both be arrested and jailed!

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      100% correct

    • 45caliber

      And soon.

  • Dale on the left coast

    The Holder bag of hammers . . . should have been locked up for his participation in the first Movie . . . WACO . . . this jackel is the poster boy for corrupt lawyers of the world!!!

  • Paul

    Holder, like his butt buddy Obama is a LIAR. Blacks will always cover for blacks. Even when they know they are wrong.

    Holder and Obama should both be arrested and jailed! I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Rggd Ind

      This in response to Paul’s post at 1:41pm…They should be tried and punished.It is not a race issue.I am a black man from NYC,and do not nor have ever supported these socialist criminals. I think that the most dangerous thing is to presume these criminals to be unintelligent.While they inspire class and race wars to divide us they are both fully united and focused. TO BELEIVE OTHERWISE IS TO NOT APPRECIATE THE POSITION OF THE PIECES ON THE BOARD. GOD BLESS ALL WHO LOVE FREEDOM AND SELF DETERMINATION.

      • Geronimo

        And bless you too,Rggd Ind.

  • stRanger

    To all you Liberal apologists, thank you for admitting that you believe the Obama Mal-administration is rotten to the core. Every time one of you Leftists makes a comparison between something from the Bush era and the Obama Regime then trot out the worn out, specious excuse that Bush did it first you ADMIT that Obama is GUILTY.

    Moreover you freely admit that you elected a common criminal and fraud to be your Messiah. For that you deserve every whip lash you get from your new masters. But the rest of us – the ones who knew who and what Ali-Obama and his Forty Plus Thieves are – do not. We have to suffer though for your ignorant behavior.

    Obama is a low-life common criminal backed up by more low-life common criminals who is ripping this country apart and doing so with the encouragement of the ignorant brain-washed Left.

    Enough of worn out trite excuses from the Obamabots and press releases from the Republicans. Get busy and get this nation killer out of power ASAP. While there is still a chance to do so.

  • Kimberly

    Has anyone considered that there is something even more “sinister” going on with this administration than trying to blame gun shop owners for the guns being sold to Mexico? Remember guns were being sold to other central American countries, too. Could it be that Obama and Holder are purposefully arming the Mexicans and marxist revolutionaries for a full-blown war against the United States?

    We’ve been assuming that those involved in the so-called useless “Drug War” were actually trying to catch drug “king-pins”. But is that the real truth? Maybe they thought they’d kill two birds with one stone; disarm us while at the same time arm the enemy with more guns.

    We’ve seen the Mexican army supposedly “accidentally” cross the border, TWICE. Maybe they were testing our defenses?

    Just a thought. And if true, Obama and Holder should surely be impeached, tried for treason, and you know what comes next.

    • 45caliber

      Kimberly:

      Actually the Mexican army has come across the border many, many times. The “twice” you spoke of are the only two times that they have come across and the MSM has mentioned it. And in both cases they made the excuse that the Mexicans who came across were lost.

      Ask anyone near the AZ border in particular about them coming across. They race around, drawing border agents for miles and then explain that they thought they were still on the Mexican side. In the meantime, the cartels haul truck loads of drugs across since the agents are busy.

      But I’m not too worried about them attempting an attack. I don’t believe they even are able to withstand armed civilians. Certainly not our military. Their only chance is to shoot from ambush and those aren’t always successful.

      • FederalistNo84

        If I’m not mistaken I’ve seen the Barrett .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle,
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxfvWnr2lM , listed as one of the weapons that has crossed the boarder and back into the United States. How do you, as a civilian, defend against that weapon?

        You mention the military and it seems to me most of them are deployed over seas. Are there boots on the ground that you are referring to that I am unaware of? The truth of the matter is local sheriffs are left to deal with high caliber firearms and foreign nationals.

        Semper Fi

        • 45caliber

          You are right. Many of our military are overseas. I’m convinced it is primarily to get them out of the US. But you can bet if Mexico or anyone else invades, you will see them being shifted to the border in a hurry.

          So they do have a .50. You don’t have to defend against it. It is a sniper rifle, not an assault rifle. Unless you are by yourself, it really isn’t a problem. Don’t get too excited by the big bullet. Big bullets and automatic fire are the favorites of Hollywood – which are the worst at showing real combat. I seldom even used the M-16 in Vietnam as fully auto since it was a waste to send all those bullets down range without aiming. The only value of auto fire is fire suppression of the enemy. I preferred to let others do that – or let the enemy stick up his head thinking he was safe.

          • FederalistNo84

            Do you understand the meaning of “Semper Fi”? You might want to look that up on the Internet. Just a suggestion.

      • Kimberly

        Good points, however, our military is spread thin all over the world. And from what I’ve read so far, over 25,000 people in Mexico and many Americans have already died from the drug cartels. Also, many of these cartels are already hunkered down in the desert in Arizona where signs have been posted to keep tourists away.

        If they mounted a full-blown attack, we wouldn’t be ready for it. The states are already asking for more men on the border from the Federal gov’t and they aren’t getting them. The federal gov’t doesn’t care about securing the border. The Mexicans may not win in the end, but they could do a hell of a lot damage along the way when we weren’t ready for it.

        Next point, citiznes may be armed, but no one knows how to form citizen militias anymore as described by the 2nd Amendment, let alone get organized. I might trust Sheriff Arpaio to organize, but other sheriffs?

        I wouldn’t be too sure they wouldn’t try to attack. Our border is weak right now, and most of American people are still asleep.

        • 45caliber

          The border is weak. But supposed they did attack with 25,000 men. The citizens along the border would slow them by sniping. The governor would send the National Guard in (and the feds don’t have all of them.) It would take a day or so and they could do a lot of damage but we’d drive them back in the end.

        • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

          Kimberly, you have valid concerns, but I really think this incident was a botched attempt at forcing stricter gun control in America by at least two little league bozos named Eric Holder and Barack Insane Obama. I don’t want to get off track, but feel th following is important for all Americans to know. Hillary Clinton would surely have joined in the failed effort of “Fast and Furious” if she had been invited as she is now trying to suppress gun rights in the US by a UN arms treaty. If the UN arms treaty is signed by our leaders, in fact, the UN will then be over the internal gun laws of our Country, an outrageous treasoneous act on it’s own. American laws written and enforced by the UN, and the UN consists of many Dictators and thugs who would like nothing better than shoving our rights dead in our behinds. We are truly living in dangerous times, we have no one in the Central or Federal govt of these great United States who is for the US citizen. I urge anyone who reads this to send a letter to their Congress and demand that they not ratify the UN Arms Treaty, it is a real deal to kill America by our own, taken from within as Rome

      • Myke McCormick

        You miss the point entirely. This is all being done in order to make this a “Homeland Security” issue. Once that is accomplished there will be credible reason to disarm the citizens.
        The goal is easy to see. US Armed forces on the ground in AZ, NM, or California. Once this is accepted every other state will follow.
        The up side? The promise of crime reduction.
        The down side? Whatever you are told to do by the government you had best do.
        Today’s liberty is tomorrows criminality when government is no longer restrained by it’s citizens.
        If what they want to do is so good for us why are they so afraid of us?

        • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

          Mike, I don’t think I missed any point. As far as I know, you are nothing official to know what the point is. I told it like I saw it, a vain and corrupt Administration trying to suppress gun rights, and then you stated basically the same thing with more words. Where did I miss the point, Genius?

  • John

    Looks like the paranoid Bush-Cheney Gop scary people are back. This is the same Gop bull that got us into a war with Iraq, putting this country into a near depression, killing thousands of young soldiers wounding 35000+ looking for WMD’s that never existed, making thier buddies Haliburton acquire record profits, probably exceeding Trillions and then moving to the Caymans for protection against being taxed. Yeah all you christian right Gop (offensive word removed), man you guns! the Mexician are comming. Stupid is as Stupid does

    • Geronimo

      Pero que vengan los mexicanos. Nosotros los tribus del norte son listos para Ustedes. Hacia muchos anos no hemos desollados craneos mexicanos.

      • The Other White Meat

        Hey, he’s writing in toungues……..

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      John, you are clearly one who is in favor of saying the sky is falling because of George Bush. When does anything become the Obama Administrations fault? Did George Bush cause this fiasco for Obama, or did Obama’s goal of disarming America at all cost get him into this mess. You surely have a wiggly rationale to fit your flawed reasoning. At some point people grow up and accept responsibility, maybe soon it will be you.

    • hitthedeck

      Well Well I guess you are not keeping up with the news! Obama has enforced Bushs policies in every respect of both wars and is trying to add a third.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      John; you are living proof of the old addage, none are so blind as those who won’t see. what do you feed your seeing eye dog ?

  • Old Henry

    “4. Holder and his big buddy, Barack, knew nothing.”

    Ya hire Chi Ka Go gangsters and this is exactly what you can expect.

    I’ll lay 2 – 1 odds that the Republican House in the end WILL DO NOTHING. Don’t wanna upset the elctorate, ya know.

  • Myke McCormick

    Mr. Crystal and I are so far apart in our philosophy that when the political graph is represented as a circle we are be Siamese Twins joined back to back.
    That being said, it is little wonder we often agree but for diametrically opposite reasons.
    This time we not only agree but we have the same reasons. Occasionally Mr. Crystal is not only right wing but right.
    This whole thing was a set up to “Prove” that our firearms laws and regulations are not strict enough.
    By insuring these criminals had firearms traceable to US Gun Shops they could make a case for Unconstitutional restrictions.
    “Narco Terrorists” notice how this name conveniently dovetails criminals into a Homeland Security issue. These people are not political terrorists they are criminals. Their ideology is very much like
    Mr. Crystal’s, find a product people really want and supply it to them at prices that are affordable but allow you to make a good profit.
    It is not their political philosophy we disagree with it is their product and methodology we despise.
    So far as I have been able to learn it is not the product or even the violence The United States government is concerned with.
    They are concerned with Citizens of The United States being armed. They are against it. They are willing to lie, cover up and even allow their own agents die to accomplish the goal of disarming every American.
    Our biggest question should not be who did what? The question that should scream for attention is: Why are they so afraid of an armed citizenry? There have always been assaults on The Second Amendment. Today’s question is Why Is It So Important To This Government? I sadly no longer say This Administration. The Government of this United States we love so much has fundamentally changed and there is the answer to the burning question Why do they want to disarm America?
    This “New Government” wants even more change and they want it hard to resist.

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      You seem to want to be so smart in words that mean little, and as if someone cared what you think, can you accept that you don’t speak for everyone?

      • Will

        @ Mike and Oakley, it doesn’t matter who’s reasoning is righter here min, we are all American and have a right to disagree. We agree that the United States of America is the last best hope for the people of this world and the more other countries founding documents mirror our greatest of all documents authored by men, the better the lives of the people of those countries lives are. The main problem here is that there are real bad people trying to make our constitution null by constantly stomping on it with treachery to insure our inablility to carry out our duty to keep past, present and future tyrants at bay. God bless America and the men (and women) that risk/lose their lives to protect her.

        • Will

          *min = Men

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      The Constitution stands in the way of their plans for a one world gvt. run by them.

  • CJM

    Indict this traitor; arrest him and hold him accoutable and responsible for this fiasco. Making an example of eric holder is necessary in order to send the rest of obama’s thugs a clear message.

  • http://ChrlyfromLA Charles L Martin

    They are running a great smoke screen for their Secretary of State while she travels the globe signing anti-gun treatys with unheard of members of the UN. These treaties are valid for forever and violate our constitution. Will the Chicago, rust belt, crowd hang her out to dry before election time. Good riddance if they do or don’t stay in office. Czars–our constitution forbids the use of these titles! We must eliminate all traces of this administration. The most astute Dr.-Prof.-Columnist Walter Williams analysis says that the O will be re-elected. Pray that he is wrong.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      The UN Treaty rules are meaningless if no one obeys them. It would be a blood bath to try and enforce them. Currently gun ownership or the ability to own them is tied to everything from DUI’s to child support pmts. If a woman declares, or her lawyer does, that a man is a threat to her, he will have all his firearms confisicated. No proof required.

  • chvietvet

    Through a murderous policy of employment discrimination, the federal civil service has been denying jobs of veterans and protecting private federal contractors that do the same. Vietnam War veterans have already been eliminated through a program to keep them jobless and homeless until they are dead. Now the same program is being employed for the veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. This is mass murder designed to reduce the cost of veterans’ benefits, which our politicians do not want to pay. I have informed Attorney General Holder about specific instances of perjury, obstruction of justice, and other felonies committed by civil servants in pursuing this policy. In spite of the proof I sent, Holder does nothing.

  • RightGunner

    What appears to be the current excuse is: 1) No one in Holder’s position can read or remember all the e-mails sent to him; 2) supposedly none of the e-mails specifically called out the illegality of what was going on, nor who at the appropriate level had approved such illegal operations; and 3) since none of the higher ups knew what was going on, the person responsible for the deaths of Mexican law enforcement and Mexican citizens, as well as the “few” American deaths will be found and punished, now that Holder has asked the Justice Department Inspector General to investigate.

    The first thing the Inspector General did, to the consternation of Congress, was to take incriminating evidence and give it to the Government people that would be most hurt by the evidence. The IG said he was required to do that by law. Therefore the position of Justice Department Inspector General must be being played by an actor similar to old comedian Danny Kaye, and what a laugh we should all have.

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      RightGunner, you have clearly layed out the obstructions to a wholesome cleaning out of the rotten Obama Administration. Somehow or someway, I hope Justice will prevail and all will get their just due for preying upon the American people. It is going to be very difficult, especially since we need to depend upon the Justice Dept to root out their corrupt Headmaster, who Pres Obama steadfastly stands by as righteous as himself, what a pitiful joke being played on the American people. A regular Chicago, Ill racket being played on the Federal level. God Help Us.

  • allosaur

    Every time I see Holder, I think of a slimy worm with a mustache.

  • bebe

    I remember Hillary talking about Mexico getting 70% of their guns from the US in 2009. I wondered how she knew that. Obama met with Calderone in 2009 and they must have discussed it. Obama said he would have Holder thoroughly investigate the issue. Then he repealled some law that reduces illegal gun sale. The T…something. If Holder didn’t find out until May or April 2011, our government is really getting slow and incompetent.

  • Lookout

    Hey guys this issue is too important to snipe at each other on the same side. keep focussed, you have a problem and it won’t go away. Apart from the damage Hussein is doing to the US, which is of course your key issue, look what he is doing internationally. He chased out Mubarak who kept the peace and was a friend of the West. Then the same with Gaddafi who was also no threat to us lately. But Assad of Syria, the great enemy of peace in the Middle East and a threat to US interests; he gets to run free. There is an agenda here which is clearly not in the interest of the free man. Hussein needs to be taken down and soon or who knows where it will end.Time for the hypothetical Mel Gibsons to shout FREEDOM with a voice that will echo through the halls of Congress, and take over and destroy the enemies from within who reside in Washington.

  • hitthedeck

    We have the man who holds the position of Attorney General of the United States of America who is supposed to be upholding the law of the land! He has a history of doing unjust deeds as far back as the Clinton administration. He has used his position to be above the law and the American people can only guess why he is doing weird acts that bring attention to his office. We can not get a straight answer and our president protects his questionable actions. If he was a Republican he would be in jail!

  • hitthedeck

    His deeds
    No prosecution of Black Panthers? A division of Obama’s army
    Blocking State laws on illegal immigrants? Latino votes
    Extreme force on Gibson Guitar Company? Union support
    Operation Fast and Furious Gun Control until whistle was blown.

  • baldmurph

    You puts down your money and you takes your chances! If you don’t like the rascals in office, work to vote them out and get NEW ones! We gots the ones we gots because it takes too much effort and we don’t want to be bothered, or we are getting enough benefit we don’t want to rock the boat. There is probably another excuse in there somewhere but it doesn’t come to mind. Talking about the problem might help us and others to notice and to focus, but if we do nothing after to work to correct wrongs we see then we are just beating drums and clashing cymbals, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing! (Apologies to the great playwright)

  • Lookout

    Too true Baldmurph. Activism has always been the perceived prerogative of the Lefties, Greenies and welfare recipients. There is a fight to be fought now that will either result in the end of the US as a world power or the opportunity to turn it around and get it back to its hard won place. If you do nothing you are lost and will end up as a geographically misplaced, failed, European socialist state.

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      Lookout, you have made some very commendable statements on this story.
      It seems the problem with doing something is that everyone thinks someone else will do it, therefore nothing gets done. I have badgered my Senator about this illegal misuse of power, agreed publically with what The NRA has done to keep the heat on so this story doesn’t die, sent money to help in the fight, and I write my ~20 believed friends on e-mail to let them know what is going on and ask will they join the fight to save America. I ask them pointblank and only 1 has ever answered. I asked a very close friend why no answer, his response was if I was sending money to the NRA and writing my Senator, there wasn’t any need for everyone to do the same thing. Lack of Interest, failure to recognize the danger and the fear of getting involved will be the twilight for the grand plan of America The Beautiful if people do not wake up and get involved for their Country, of this I am certain.

  • Lookout

    This is a link to The Eight Marks of Fascist Policy; a recent talk by John Flynn. You will recognize the US there. You have gone beyond political parties although I clearly believe that the Democrats will take you further and faster on the road to ruin. With so much power vested in the government, and its plethora of agencies controlling every aspect of your lives, the road to freedom can only but be hard and fraught with individual risk. The State and its agencies have all be usurped your liberty. Like a gargantuan leech they will keep sucking, until the life blood is drained out of every bit of freedom still remaining.

    With government handouts equal to 35% of wages there is a huge army of entitlement holders already not on the side of freedom. In the end, they will also become losers but they won’t see it coming.You guys on this site need to make a difference. You are locked in the grip of a great amoeba and Obama is just its current persona.

  • Jim Gossett

    Get rid of the lying A–. He’s just another BHO puppet!!!!!!!!!!!!

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