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The Senate’s Christmas Gift

December 21, 2009 by  

The Senate’s Christmas Gift

Senate Democrats are working overtime to get an Obamacare bill passed before Christmas. They no longer even pretend to be doing it to reform healthcare. Now they’re just doing whatever it takes to get a bill passed, even if it costs somewhere between $848 billion and $2.1 trillion, depending on which math you use.

Never mind that the Realclearpolitics.com average of polls shows that Americans oppose the Democrat’s healthcare bill by a 54.2 percent to 39.7 percent margin. Democrats have gone all in, as the saying goes, and nothing is going to stop them.

As an unnamed Democratic strategist told Byron York of The Washington Examiner, “Once you’ve gone this far, what is the cost of failure?”

Comparing Democrats to bank robbers—how appropriate—who have gone past the point of no return, the strategist said, “They’re in the bank, they’ve got their guns out. They can run outside with no money, or they can stick it out, go through the gunfight, and get away with the money.”

Of course, money is what it’s all about. Not saving it mind you, but stealing yours.

Sen. Dick Durbin (D.-Ill.) told The Hill that Democrats will have the 60 votes needed to pass a bill this week. They’re buying off reluctant Democrats left and right.

For Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu the price was $300 million in federal aid to her state. As columnist Charles Krauthammer said on Fox News, if Landrieu got $300 million, Sen. Ben Nelson (D.-Neb.)—said to be holding out for removal of a provision in the bill that allows federal funding to pay for abortions—gets a Caribbean island, or two. Or, if some news reports are correct, a threat to close a military base in his state if he doesn’t join in.

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I.-Conn.) is back on board. We don’t yet know what he got in return, aside from a lot of face time on television. In an effort to get one or more Republicans to sign on so the bill can be cast as bi-partisan, Maine Republican Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are being courted as well. Look for Maine to get a bundle of cash for snow plows or something.

Meanwhile, Joe and Jane Citizen only get dunned. If you are a family with an annual income above $88,200 and your employer doesn’t provide coverage, prepare to fork out $15,200 a year for a federally-mandated insurance fee, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) as reported by CNSNews.com. And few employers are going to provide coverage for their employees once the plan kicks in.

Why? There is an incentive not to. If employers don’t pay their share of their employees’ premiums they’ll have to pay $750 per employee fine. That’s much less than the employer contribution on a complete health plan.

What’s more, there are tax increases in the bill. Lots of them. According to the Heritage Foundation, Medicare taxes increase from 2.9 percent to 3.4 percent, the top marginal tax rate goes from 35 percent to 39.6 percent and, in the House version of the bill, a surtax of 5.4 percent is put on incomes above $500,000.

Following is a list from the Heritage Foundation of other tax increases currently in either the House or Senate bill or proposed by the Barack Obama administration to “pay” for healthcare reform:

  • An excise tax on high-cost "Cadillac" health insurance plans that cost more than $8,500 a year for individuals or $23,000 for families.
  • An excise tax on medical devices such as wheelchairs, breast pumps and syringes used by diabetics for insulin injections.
  • A cap on the exclusion of employer-provided health insurance without offsetting tax cuts.
  • A limit on itemized deductions for taxpayers with a top income tax rate greater than 28 percent.
  • A windfall profits tax on health insurance companies.
  • A value-added tax, which would tax the value added to a product at each stage of production.
  • An excise tax on sugar-sweetened beverages including non-diet soda and sports drinks.
  • Higher taxes on alcoholic beverages including beer, wine and spirits.
  • A limit on contributions to health savings accounts.
  • An 8 percent tax on all wages paid by employers that do not provide their employees health insurance that satisfies the requirements defined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
  • A limit on contributions to flexible spending arrangements.
  • Elimination of the deduction for expenses associated with Medicare Part D subsidies.
  • An increase in taxes on international businesses.
  • Elimination of the tax credits paper companies take for biofuels they create in their production process—the so-called “Black Liquor credit.”
  • Fees on insured and self-insured health plans.
  • A limit or repeal of the itemized deduction for medical expenses.
  • A limit on the Qualified Medical Expense definition.
  • An increase in the payroll taxes on students.
  • An extension of the Medicare payroll tax to all state and local government employees.
  • An increase in taxes on hospitals.
  • An increase in the estate tax.
  • Increased efforts to close the mythical “tax gap.”
  • A 5 percent tax on cosmetic surgery and similar procedures such as Botox treatments, tummy tucks and face lifts.
  • A tax on drug companies.
  • An increase in the corporate tax on providers of health insurance.
  • A $500,000 deduction limitation for the compensation paid by health insurance companies to their officers, employees and directors.

And the kicker is the taxes go into effect immediately after Obama signs the bill. The healthcare benefits don’t start until 2014.

All the taxes are designed to confiscate the wealth of Mr. and Mrs. Citizen and drive them into a public option—even as Senate Democrats say the bill doesn’t include one, yet.

On Dec. 16 the president went on television and said if Congress doesn’t pass a healthcare bill the Federal government will go bankrupt. Poppycock. If a healthcare bill is passed it’s Mr. and Mrs. Citizen that go belly up.

The spend-and-tax policies of Obama and the Democrats—stimulus bills, TARP bill, healthcare bill, etc.—are what is pushing us toward economic collapse.

Face it. The healthcare reform plan Democrats are ramming through is nothing more than the greatest transfer of wealth and most massive power grab in the history of the world.

Frankly, I don’t consider that much of a Christmas present.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • American Patriot

    DIRTY HARRY HAS PULLED OUT ALL THE STOPS ON GETTING HIS TRAVISTY OF A GOVERNMENT HEALTH CONTROL BILL PASSED IN THE SENATE. MAKING EVERY KIND OF DEAL UNDER THE TABLE AND MAYBE EVEN GIVING PLEASURE UNDER THE TABLE.!!!!. TO GET ALL THE EVIL DEMONS TO GIVE THEIR YEA VOTES , AND CONTINUES TO IGNOR THE DEMAND OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KILL THIS BILL AND OBVIOUSLY THROWING ALOT OF DEMONOCRATS UNDER THE 2010 JUDGEMENT DAY ELLECTION “”"BUS”"”.!!!!!! THE EVIL DEMONOCRATS ARE GOING TO COMMITT POLITICAL SUICIDE FOR THE MARXIST COMMUNIST DICTATOR BARBARIC INSANE OBOMBDA THE AMERICAN NATION.!!!!!. THIS IS ALL BEING DONE IN THE STANCE OF APEASSING THE FAR RADICAL LEFTIST AGENDA’S THAT COME FROM THE MARXIST COMMUNIST ADMINISTRATION IN THE WHITEHOUSE.!!!!!!!!. WE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE THE BIG LOOSERS IN THIS AND ALL THE OTHER HORRIFFIC DESTROY AMERICA LEGISLATION THAT IS BEING RAMED DOWN OUR THROATS.!!!!. I JUST CAN NOT WAIT FOR JUDGEMENT DAY ELLECTIONS 2010 / 2012 SO WE THE PEOPLE CAN RAM PINK SLIPS DOWN THE THROATS OF THE DEMONS AND ALL THE DICTATORS BLACK HORSEMEN THAT ARE ONLY RIDING TO APPEASE THE FAR LEFT RADICAL MARXIST COMMUNIST AGENDA’S.!!!!! THE AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE GOING TO PAY DEARLY , ITS GOING TO RESULT IN GIVING UP ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS , FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES.!!! ITS TIME FOR ALL AMERICANS TO WAKE UP TO THE LIAR ADMINISTRATION THAT NOW RULES AND DICTATES TO THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR VERY EXISTANCE.!!!!! WAKE UP AND CALL YOUR SENATORS AND REPRESENATIVES AND DEMAND THAT THEY ALL VOTE NO NO NO NO ,”"NO WE CAN NOT”" ON ALL THE DESTROY AMERICA LEGISLATION THAT’S NOW ON THE TABLE AND COMING UP TO A VOTE NEAR YOU SOON.!!!!!!! DEMAND THAT THEY VOTE NO AND TELL THEM THAT THE AMERICAN VOTERS ARE GOING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR VOTING ACTIONS ON JUDGEMENT ELLECTION DAY 2010 / 2012.!!!!! THERE IS A REASON THAT DIRTY DINGY DEVIL HARRY IS PUSHING FOR A VOTE ON CHRISTMAS EVE. ITS THE DIRTIEST TRICK IN THE BOOK TO GET SOMETHING RAMED THROUGH JUST BEFORE A HOLIDAY BREAK.!!!!! AGAINST THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.. TOUTING THAT THIS BILL SAVES LIVES WHEN IN REALITY IT WILL RATION CARE FOR MOST EVERYONE UNLESS YOU ARE A US SENATOR OR CONGRESSMEN THEN YOU GET SPECIAL TREATMENT THAT YES WE THE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR THEY WILL CONTINUE TO GET THERE SPECIAL CADILAC HEALTH CARE THAT THEY ALWAYS HAVE RECIEVED AT THE TAX PAYERS EXSPENSE..!!!!! ITS ONLY JUSTICE IF THEY GET WHAT THEY HAVE PRESCRIBED FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHICH IS FOR US TO PAY TRILLIONS TO BIG FARMA IT REDUCES ACCESS TO CARE AND MEDICARE CUT INTO A MILLION PIECES AND IT ALL WILL RESULT IN 6 MONTHS WAITING FOR CARE AND RATIONING AND MOST WILL DIE WAITING ON LIFE SAVING TREATMENT .!!!!!!! GOOD LUCK TO ANYONE WHO FALLS ILL AND NEEDS FAST TREATMENT , THE DEMONOCRATS WANT YOU TO DIE AND DIE FAST WAITING IN LINE.. AND GRANDMA AND GRANDPA WILL NOT GET ANY COSTLY TREATMENT OR CARE BECAUSE THE DEATH PANELS WILL NEVER ALLOCATE CARE OR TREATMENT TO THE ELDERLY , SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY , THEY ARE A LIABILITY NOT AN ACET.!!!! ITS TIME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO WAKE UP AND WRITE AND CALL THEIR REPRESENATIVES AND SENATORS AND TELL THEM THAT ITS BETTER THEY PASS NOTHING THAN TO PASS SOMETHING THAT WILL DESTROY THE BEST HEATH CARE IN THE WORLD.!!!!!. THIS LEGISLATION DOES NOTHING TO CUT COST IN HEALTH CARE IT ONLY MAKES IT WORSE. DIRTY HARRY ALREADY MADE A CLOSED DOOR POLLICY THAT LINES THE POCKETS OF BIG FARMA AND WILL CONTINUE TO PAY THE BIG WAGES OF DOCTORS AND THE BIG TRIAL LAWYERS. NO TORT REFORM IN THIS BILL.!!! NO OPTION TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE OVER STATE LINES , SIMPLY BUSINESS AS USUAL NO TRUE REFORM IN THIS HORRIBLE DESTROY AMERICAN CAMPAIGN LEGISLATION.!!!!! THIS LEGISLATION IS NOT ABOUT HEALTH CARE , ITS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO LAY THE FOUNDATION TO A MARXIST COMMUNIST TRANSFORMATION OF AMERICA.!!! YOU WILL NOT RECONIZE THIS GREAT FREE COUNTRY IN A YEAR FROM NOW THE CONSTITUTION WILL BE ABOLISHED. GONE FOR EVER IT WILL BE A COMMUNIST STATE WITH ONE DICTATOR THAT WILL RULE FOREVER AND HIS NAME IS BARBARIC I WILL TWIST YOUR ARMS UNTILL THEY BREAK “”INSANE OBOMBDA THE AMERICAN NATION”" HE ALREADY HAS PASSED DEEP INTO HIS COMMUNIST LEGISLATION THAT TRANSFORMS OUR DEMOCRACY INTO A DICTATORSHIP AND HE IS IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING ILLEGAL ALLIENS 20 – 30 MILLION THAT ARE IN OUR COUNTRY NOW . AMNISTY AND THEY WILL BE PROVOKED TO VOTE FOR HIM IN THE 2012 ELLECTION AND IN HIS LAST FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE HE WILL PUSH FORWARD HIS ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION AND MAKE THIS FREE NATION A COMMUNIST STATE IN WHICH HE WILL RULE FOREVER JUST THE CASTRO’S CUBA.!!!!!!!!! WE THE PEOPLE HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY AND IT STARTS WITH THIS PIVITAL LEGISLATION CALLED GOV. HEALTH REFORM. IN REALLITY ITS THE FOUNDATION OF A SOCIAL COMMUNIST TAKE OVER OF AMERICA.!!!!!! WE MUST STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN NOW RIGHT NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.!!!!! DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA THEY ARE BOUGHT AND PAYED FOR BY THE FAR LEFT RADICALS THE ALLREADY RULE THIS COUNTRY.!!! YOU MUST ONLY LISTEN TO FOX CABLE NEWS METWORK THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT THAT REPORT THE NEWS AND POLITICAL FRONT FROM BOTH SIDES.!!!!! THEY REPORT AND YOU DECIDE.!!!! TALK RADIO IS ALSO TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE TRUETH SO TUNE INTO TALK RADIO.!!! DO NOT ALLOW THE LAME MEDIA TO BRAINWASH YOU TO GO ALONG WITH THIS HISTORIC TAKE OVER OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE DOLLAR AND OUR ECONOMY AND JOBS THAT ARE BEING LOST ALL OVER THIS GREAT COUNTRY.!!! WE MUST STAND UP FOR CHILDREN AND FIGHT TO KEEP THIS GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD FREE AND OUR CONSTITUTION IN TACT SO OUR CHILDREN CAN LIVE A FREE LIFE THEY WAY OUR FORFATHERS INTENDED WHEN THEY WROTE OUR CONSTITUTION.!!!!!!! IT WAS MEANT TO PREVENT THE VERY ATTEMPTS THAT THIS MARXIST COMMUNIST ADMINISTRATION IS DECLARING WAR ON . OUR CONSTITUTION IS UNDER ATTACK AND THE ARE DETERMINED TO TRANSFORM AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST STATE JUST LIKE CUBA , RUSSIA AND CHINA. IF THIS HEALTH CONTROL BILL IS PASSED THEY WILL CONTROL YOUR VERY EXISTANCE , TELLING YOU HOW TO LIVE IN EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE.!!!!! THIS BILL ALONE WITH KILL MILLIONS OF MORE JOBS AND MAKE THE PEOPLE MORE RELIENT ON BIG GOVERNMENT..!!!!!!! THE PRIVOT SECTOR OF FREE ENTERPRISE IS BEING DESTROYED BRICK BY BRICK.!!!!!!! ITS TIME WE ALL STAND UP AND TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY NOW BEFOR ITS TOO LATE. STARTING WITH CONTACTING OUR CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN AND DEMANDING THEY KILL THIS BILL NOW.!!!!!!!
    WE MUST TAKE ACTION NOW BEFORE THEY PASS THEIR NET NEUTRALITY BILL THAT WILL ABOLISH OUR RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEACH.!!!!! ACT STEAD FASTLY NOW AND JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT NOW THEY ARE THE ONLY PARTY THAT SUPPORTS THE EXISTANCE OF OUR CONSTITUTION.!!!! THE DEMONOCRAT PARTY IS VIOLATING OUR CONSTITUTION WITH EVERY PEICE OF LEGISLATION THEY DRAW UP AND RAM DOWN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S THROATS.!!! ITS ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL EVERY SINGLE BILL IS UNCONSTITUTIONALLY RUSHED AND RAMED DOWN OUR THROATS.!!!!!! THEY ARE BUILDING THE FAR LEFT RADICAL COMMUNIST INFRASTUCTURE TO TRANSFORM AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST STATE, BY DESTROYING THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AND THE DOLLAR CURRENCY.!!! WE DO NOT NEED GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE , WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE GREATEST HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.!!!!! ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD TO RAM THERE FAR LEFT RADICAL COMMUNIST AGENDA’S DOWN THE AMERICAN PEOPLES THROATS.!!!!! WE MUST ALL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE ON JUDGEMENT ELLECTION DAY 2010 / 2012 WHILE WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.!!!!!!!.. THIS BILL IF PASSED WILL BE A HISTORIC TRAVISTY ON THE FREE AMERICA AND DISTROY OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR SOLVENTRY.!!!!!! OUR CHILDREN WILL LIVE IN A COMMUNIST STATE AND BE RULED BY A RUTHLESS DICTATOR. WHO WANTS A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. THE CAMPAING PROMISE OF TRANSFORMING WEALTH TO THE POOR. IS REAALY JUST THAT BY TRANSFORMING AMERICA’S WEALTH TO ALL THE POOR COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.!!!!!!! WHY DO YOU THINK THIS EVIL BLACK DEVIL RUNS ALL OVER THE WORLD APPOLOGIZNG FOR AMERICA BEING SO WAELTHY AND POWERFUL.??? YES HE IS SELLING US OUT TO BE THE WORL LEADER. WE ARE STARING AT THE ANTI CHRIST HE IS HERE ON EARTH WITH US AS WE SPEAK.!!!!!!!! THE ANTI CHRIST OBOMBDA THE AMERICAN NATION IS PURPOSELY DESTROYING OUR GREAT COUNTRY AND EVENTUALY THE WHOLE WORLD.!!!! WE MUST STOP HIM NOW WHILE WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE.!!!!! LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD BEFORE YOU ARE SILENCED WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR VERY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.!!!!. THIS ANIMAL IS IN THE PROCESS OF DRAWING UP MORE CLIMATE CONTROL LEGISLATION THAT WILL FINISH OFF ALL OF THE MANUFACTURING BUSINESSES HERE IN AMERICA .. THEY WILL ALL GO OVER SEAS TO THE POOR COUNTRIES.!!!! TENS OF MILLIONS MORE JOBS WILL BE LOST IN OUR GREAT FREE COUNTRY ITS ALL BEING DONE ON PURPOSE.!!!!. BETTER SOON STAND UP AND FIGHT TO TAKE BACK OUR GREAT COUNTRY.!!! WE MUST DESTROY THIS ANIMAL AND THIS FAR LEFT RADICAL MARXIST COMMUNIST ADMINISTRATION AND CONGRESS. THEY ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO FUNDEMENTALY TRANSFORM THIS GREAT FREE COUNTRY INTO AN ABISS.!!!!!!! GOD HELP US ALL IF THERE AGENDA’S ARE FULL STEAM AHEAD.!!!!!!! WE ARE ALL DUMED TO HELL IF THIS HORRIFFIC LEGISLATION IS PASSED.!!! JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AND BE A PART OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION TO TAKE BACK OUR GREAT FREE AMERICA AND PUT TO DEATH THE FAR RADICAL LEFT AND THEIR MARXIST COMMUNIST MOVEMENT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. DO IT NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE HELP SAVE AMERICA, NOW.!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AMERICAN PATRIOT…

    • Bo Hindall

      Senator Ben Nelson and the rest of you anti-American communists:

      The Wizard of Oz is 70 years old.

      Today, if Dorothy were to encounter men with no brains,
      no hearts, and courage, and no patriotism – She wouldn’t be in Oz -
      She’d be in Congress!

      Senator Nelson and the rest of you anti-American, communists will be removed from public office in 2010, 2012, 2014 and way, way beyond. I have always voted, never been surveyed or polled, have never been to a Tea Party and have never been politically active. But I, and millions of real patriotic American citizens who are just like me, are now enraged by your myopic, one-party, hide the bill, actions designed to destroy our great free country. Just what kind of village idiots do you think we are? You and your ilk should be ashamed of how Harry Reid, the far-left and you are secretly writing law then attempting to shove it up the collective rectum of the citizenry. That is you should be ashamed, but clearly none of you have a conscious. What you are doing to the Unites States of America, our Constitution and Bill of Rights is downright criminal. You are clearly over-stepping your authority as our REPRESENTATIVES! Your actions against the clear will of “we the people” are appalling to say the least.

      You all should be charged with sedition because you have clearly aroused the masses into a fever pitch of anger towards you incompetent, law breaking, liars who are supposed to be working for “all” of us!
      This is not the end of the American story…but the beginning of our resurrection to regain our freedom, free enterprise, and good old American capitalism! You will loose and ultimately be drummed out in disgrace for what you all have done to this great country!
      Bo Hindall
      Citizen of the United States of America
      Columbus, Ohio

      • Bill Fannin

        I am not so concerned about the Democrats getting their just dues as the morons who voted for them in the first place. Devils in disguise have been misleading people for centuries. You would think that people would learn. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see the Democrats hold their own in the future. Americans fell for the crap last time, what makes you think they won’t fall for the next load? Obama has a few months to pull something off to impress his supporters. That’s all it will take to suck them all back in again. A little hokus pokus and they won’t see it coming again….until it’s too late. But we can still hope and pray that we won’t get fooled again. Hey, isn’t that an old rock song? People never learn. But then, maybe the Obama supporters won’t get their just dues after all. I bet the tax increases will not affect the high income Democrats. There will probably be a special deduction for everyone who voted Democrat in the last election. The senators all got paid off. Why not the rest of the Obama supporters? It’s in his plan somewhere. Count on it.

        • Futura

          The Democrats in washington are evil people to play along in Abominable Obama’s games to harm the American people for his own pleasures. WE are the people of this great land, the Promised Land of freedom, where we have freedom of speach and to worship our God as we will. We will no longer be free to do much of anything as we were free only a few months ago if this health bill goes through. Any thing Obama tries to do will make a dictatorship of this land of ours. I can say this much, we will be told what to do, how to do it and when to do what ever he commands us to do. We will be at his pleasures and at his command. Our families will be destroyed. He wants to do anything he can to us. If the health care bill goes through this is what it will be like, and we will be living in fear!

          Wake up American and pray to God of this land for his almighty help.

          • denniso

            Livingston says that the point of what the Dems are doing in congress is to steal your money…So simplistic and wrong. We’ve been paying taxes forever and most of us accept that as part of living in a stable and somewhat free country. The Dems are trying to save the system from the wreck that Bush and the blind sheep Repubs left behind. It takes $$ to resurrect the economy. Wake up you sheep..quit listening to Limbaugh and co.

          • DaveH

            Dumniso,
            If spending money we don’t have was the answer, then there would be no poor countries and no poor people.
            Money is an abstract representation of a person’s labor. If excess money is created, then that person’s money becomes necessarily worth less (more money chasing fewer goods). It’s all about productivity. What makes people work hard? If they work and save and then an errant government spends wildly with money it doesn’t have, their savings become worth less. Do you think that will make them work harder? Hardly.
            All the money in the world is meaningless if nothing is being produced. You would know that if you weren’t purposely ignorant.

        • denniso

          Bill…’the morons who voted for the Dems’…I just wonder, did you vote for Bush, and not consider him a moron?? look in the mirror.

      • alphie

        You American conservatives would not know liberty if hit you in your shnozzola. I am a naturalized Canadian citizen and have lived under our Universal Health Care system for several decates. I have had and survived open heart surgery, serious pneumonia and more. The care I got was first class and I have lived a healthy life to age 79. You cry about government control, huge taxes and various levels of care such as “Cadillac” care for senators.You lived under a misguided former President who spent trillions of dollars and over 4000 lives on an unnecessary war in Iraq. That money would have paid for life insurance for your uninsured citizens several times over.Canada has not gone bankrupt and our citizens are wealthier and healthlier per capita then the average American. A healthy nation requires less medical care and more affordable . In some area our system can be overburden because it is FREE. People go to the Emergeny Dept. with a cold or a headache. By law, they cannot be turned away and must be seen by a physician. We partly pay for our Health care by heavily taxing the principal causes of bad health such as booze, cigarettes and large contributions from gambling casinos. I have lived under the Nazis and Communists, and believe you me, who abolished freedom or any civil rights and practiced murder of millions of people most of them for no reason at all. Your new president is not a monster enough to qualify for the lowest level of a communist. Your main trouble with him is that he is black. You practice covert racism and would make good nazis. Under Nazis, I had no Health care whatsoever. They would be thrilled if I got sick and died – one less sub-human to deal with and I am white.

        • Average Joe

          alphie,

          1. If as you say, you a Canadian, you have nothing at stake in this country and therefore have nothing to lose in this fiasco.
          2. If as you say you have lived 79 healthy years, then you have not had to have much socialized medicine performed on you…unlike some others from your country who for one reason or another not had such good health (oh wait…open heart surgery,pnumonia and more, not so healthy after all).Living in Florida, I have a lot of your Countrymen visiting here and most that I talk to …do not share your optimistic veiws for Canadian health care….get the flu..make a appointment and if your lucky that appointment may be before the flu has been gone for 6 weeks.MRI?…how does 6-8 months waiting period work out for most? the sytem is “FREE”?…..not…or did you forget that you are heavily taxed in Canada to pay for that “Free” health care?
          3.I agree that we did not need to go to war based on lies, misinformation and outright lies by out elected officials nor did we need to to sacrifice all of those American lives, not to mention the 100,000 or so innocent Iraqi lives…you know…civilians….
          4. For most of us that are conservatives….it is about Character…not Color and Mr. Obama has no character, he is nothing more than a two-bit shill for the NWO.Maybe Mr. Obama is not a monster enough to qualify for the lowest level of a communist, but his handlers at the NWO are.
          5. The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic….that means: We have a Constitution (the LAW of the Land) and as such, the Federal government has “limited powers” enumerated to it under that Constituiton (17 to be exact). Nowhere in that document does it authorize the Federal government to force the American people to “purchase” anything that they do not wish to purchase of their own “Free will”. This particular piece of legislation is nothing short of strong armed robbery.
          6. Since you are Canadian, in the future confine yourself to Canadian politics…American policy is not your concern…it is ours and ours alone.
          Merry Christmas

          • DaveH

            Joe,
            I appreciate your well-thought-out comment. Keep up the good work.

        • denniso

          Alphie…good comment and welcome to the fray against these neo nazis who have no clue about much of anything. Please keep it up.We need some outside input to enlighten the few here who are capable of more than threats of violence. Maybe they’ll look up the facts on Canada and see that you up there are doing some pretty good things that we buffoons down here could learn from.

          • DaveH

            It’s so funny that a guy who advocates the force and theft of the Democratic Party would call anybody else a Nazi. You are a joke Dumniso. I’ll bet you drool uncontrollably.

        • sean murrey

          What are doing to citize our country?i f you dont like it here move back to canada.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You stink of a left wing liberal here in the United States, lying to support the left wing agenda of taking this country down. So move to Canada, stay up there, and dont call us to come save your hinny like some Frenchman hiding under a rock, you pacifist appeaser.

        • Claire

          Very interesting post.

    • Raggs

      Patriot..
      I have been telling people since the first time i seen obama that i knew there was something very wrong. I had a gut wrenching feeling that I was looking at the anti-christ. I have been saying all along the anti will have to destroy the US from within

      • runninbear

        I too knew that there was something in that smells of dishonesty when obama LIED andhide his name that he took for himself as well as others and 31 ssn numbers that America was being attacked by the “Powers that BE? and the the manchurian candidate was being backed by our enemies from within.
        When Obama started making mistakes that he blamed on the teleprompter.like the inventing the Automobile,and the fact that America doesn’t have 57 states,but The confedrate States of Islam does?When his speeches says he will support Islam before the American peopleand refuses to call a terrorist attack what it is, then we have seen the colors of the usurper that calls himself our President?
        It’s time all Americans get involved to reverse this destructive path Obama,Reid and Pelosi has put us on.

      • Foolpatrol

        @ Raggs, Yes, one must be the Anti-Christ to even consider reforming healthcare and saving the lives of 18,000 Americans who die needlessly each year due to lack of health insurance.

        When you saw now President Obama, you didn’t see Satin. You saw a qualified Black man and for you that was H*LL. Get over it!

        • http://Don'thaveone Sally

          You can’t be serious. I know you are one of those people on the dole. All the 18,000 people have to do is go to a public hospital (county which we have plenty here in Fla.) and they are treated for whatever ailment they have for free. So don’t buy into that Bull. That is why hospitalization costs so much because of taking care of all the people who don’t have any.

        • American Citizen

          Heard a doctor say they will no longer be able to give free health care of free drugs. It would be against the law according to this bill. The people will have to go through insurance.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And these insurance companies that are in on this are all cronies of the democrats, and its the mob thing all over again. They are in cahoots and now have a license to steal, because stupid, stupid people gave the democrat mob a majority in the house and senate so that they could totally disregard what America wanted, and do what they wanted to benefit themselves. Their insurance companies are all going to cash in on billions, and line these democrat politicians pockets to the top in illegitimate cash. People should have to pass a test to vote, I swear.

        • John

          Fool,

          Qualified???

          Can you tell me one thing that he has accomplished???
          No really something that he has done that has had substantive results?

          The guy is an idiot and his ratings have been dropping, rapidly.

          Take the blinders off. I guess you don’t call yourself fool for nothing.

          • http://PersonLibertyDigest Dee

            I listened to what obama had to say while he was campaigning. I didn’t like what he proposed and still don’t. I don’t know why these dumbocrats voted for him or anyone else for that matter. They just think they are going to get free health care. Baloney
            He said this obamacare would not add a dime to the deficit, that’s probably because the taxpayers will get soaked. We have never asked the government for anything and I just really don’t want to be paying for these irresponsible people who don’t have health insurance. It is the responsibility of the people to get their own health care. Yes, I realize that some people can’t afford it.

          • Joe H.

            Dee,
            what did it for me was when he proposed a civilian corp as large and as well armed as the army!!! That told me he needed force to initiate what he had planned!!!

          • Foolpatrol

            So far President Obama has prevented the Bush Recession from developing into a full fledged Depression. President Obama inherited the destruction of the failed Bush Administration including an unfunded, unnecessary, war for political gain and oil, a massive deficit, the Bush Bank Bail Outs, rising unemployment and under employment, plant closings and outsourcing and a shrinking economy. It took Bush eight years to squander the Clinton surplus and destroy the economy. Do you really expect President Obama to restore it in eleven months? Please, put the Meth pipe down!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to fool patrol. There really was no Bush recession. Business just pulled back the cash in preparation to pay the democrat tax monsters, thats all. They knew the dems would cancel the tax cuts, and they have allready said they are taking them away in 2010. Since then, Obummer has taken unemployement from a mere 4 percent to over 10 percent and rising. He has lost his way in Iraq and Afhanistan, he has given lawyers to prisoners of war and jailed our own service men. He has hamstringed and handcuffed our military who are trying to fight now. Now he wants to strip and ruin the best health care system in the world, as he doesnt have any idea of what he is doing. Seems to me that a democracy is supposed to be the majority wins, but when 56 percent of people are against something, and he and his left wing liberal cronies do it anyway, they dont care about what the public thinks. They know the general public that voted them in are stupid and uneducated, and now they are about to prove it. Thanks dummies.

          • DaveH

            Yeah sure Fool, Clinton balanced the budget:
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

            It’s ironic. I just heard a Democrat spokesman excusing Obama from the current economic problems because “he’s only been in office for 46 weeks”. Yet, the MSM and the Democrats were blaming Bush for the Dot.com crash when he had just barely taken office.
            I suppose we will have to endure the Bush Blame for another 3 years because Democrats will never accept responsibility.

        • J C

          You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. As soon as Government gets a hold of your Health Care…you’re truly screwed.
          Get in line and wait to die Kamrade.

          • Foolpatrol

            That’s what 18,000 uninsured Americans who die unnecessarily do every year, get in line and wait to die.

          • JC

            Tragic. I guess we’d best make sure EVERYONE gets the same opportunity. That’s what the Annointed one is hoping for TOTAL control of everyone’s lives. And with enough morons behind him and enough money to grease enough sleazy Congressman and Senators…we can all stand in line together…”Utopia”

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to foolpatrol – tell them to get a job, and then they would have health insurance. Call me callous, but I dont feel for the guy living on the street, who drank and drugged himself and had a great old time partying for 10 to 20 years to get himself there. Now you want me to pick up the pieces and pay for him the rest of his life. Sorry. Sometimes when you make a bed, you have to sleep in it. Im all for helping those that want help, but 90 percent just want a handout to party with, and I wont be a part of it if I can help it. The goverment has become an enabler of people destroying themselves, and it shouldnt be that way.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The other half of it is, is that all these democrats have cronies that own all these insurance companies that are going to collect billions off of this thing, and then they will kick back cash to these same democrats. Its also so full of pork, that they paid off so many of them to vote this thing in, by giving a billion dollars to their state medicaid fund for their yes vote. Thing is fool, if you work like I do, you will be paying more for your health insurance, and you will be paying for insurance for all those guys you see everyday sitting on front porches drinking 40′s and smoking cigs, because they dont want to work, they dont have to work, and now they get insurance for free on top of it. Well, its not free, you and I are paying for it. But if you seriously think this is going to benefit anyone but those that dont work, think again. Those so called poor people that are struggling to make ends meet, will now be forced to pay insurance premiums they cannot afford, to these same democrats buddies insurance companies. If they dont pay, they get fined and sent to jail. And the poor and middle class are going to have to pay. Then small business’s are going to start to close, because the cost of this is going to be so high, they wont be able to afford it. You can expect the cost of cars, groceries, textile goods, tools, and everything else to go up, as all these business’s are going to get stuck with paying higher and higher rates to these leech democrat companies. So if you for one minute think this is a good thing, and think this is going to help those that cant afford insurance, think again. You are severely uneducated in this endeavor. The only ones that will benefit are the losers that dont have jobs that dont want a job, and they get rewarded once again. Everyone else gets porked. Its people like you that make this crazy stupid stuff happen.

        • dog

          How about the thousands of seniors who will die due to the decisions of the death panel that is already in place from the first waste of money stimulus bill.

      • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

        RAGS
        YES I WAS ONE WITH YOU AND SCREAM LOUDLY THAT THIS WAS THE EVIL ANTI-CHRIST ABOUT TO BE ANNIONTED PRESIDENT. AND THAT HE WAS A LIAR , EVERY CAMPAING PROMISE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A LIE TO GET ALLECCTED. AND NOW HE HAS SHOWN US THAT WE WERE AND ARE BOTH CORRECT.!!!!!!! ITS TIME WE ORGANIZE THE NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION TO TAKE BACK OUR GREAT COUNTRY FOR OUR CHILDREN.!!!!. JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AND HELP DO YOUR PART TO FREE OUR COUNTRY OF THE RADICAL MARXIST COMMUNIST TAKE OVER.!!!!!. THE BIBLICAL SENCE IS WHEN YOU HEAR OF A 7 YEAR PEACE TREATY THAT IS THE SIGN OF CHRIST COMING BACK TO EARTH TOO STOP THE DEVILS DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD.!!!!!! BE STEADFAST AND PRAY FOR THE TRIBULATION THAT WILL COME TO PASS.!!!!!.

        AMERICAN PATRIOT…

        • Raggs

          I know the bible say’s there will be war’s and rumors of war’s. Also a treaty is mentioned. A “peace” treaty… I feel as if a lot of people get the wrong idea on this “treaty” and how it takes place.
          It is obvious to me this “treaty” is something called a climate agreement, “climate” being a disguise.. In other words it is the foundation for the NWO in which will give Israel no options but to conform. Bascially the same we are heading to with the “wealth care” bill.. This government has not even one care of it’s people this bill is about total control at thats the bottom line. So that being true and it is…obama has no regard for Israel he has already proven that.
          Israel will be used under force to follow the leader. It’s called peace but believe me it is far from it!!! Do you see where this is going? This would explain why God get’s so angry about “peace”.. because it’s like everything else the government does or say’s A LIE!
          Iran is nuc capable and obama don’t give two shi**. or sure he send’s them a little threat of “I will spank you”..obama has already given his stance on the muslim’s…Some of you may disagree with me but that’s fine. At least I don’t have my head in a bag full of obama as*.

      • michael carr

        Give me a break anybody with any brain cells know that if anyone was the antichrist itwas either George Started an Illegal war Bush or that other pieceof crap Dick head Cheney

        • dog

          Bush and cheney stood up for the constitution and in the constitution the government is to defend our country from people who attack us. Obama is violating the constitution by taking down our defenses in europe and not supplying our troops with the necessary backup that is requested by our generals.

          Obama and the democraps are violaing the constitution by forcing us to buy something we don’t want and forcing us to pay for something se don’t want too, like $1.00 a month going towards abortions, $5 million going to a travellers and visitors center in california, rationing of health care by denying women mamograms until age 50 when there are women getting brest cancer at age 35, taxing medical devices like wheelchairs, artificial knees, hips, breast implants, tampons, breast pumps, heart stints, etc.

          cuts to medicare which seniors are forced into at age 65 gets cut millions of dollars forcing seniors to purchase under limited income, medical supplimental from corrupt AARP.

          small business are being forced to close or fire employees because they cannot afford the forced to provide health insurance for their employees.

          the reason the ecomomy tanked is bacuse of ACORN, Barny Frank, senator OMAMA and his corrupt commy demcrapts and taking over the house in 2007 and not passing any bills that helped the economy instead hurt it.

          HOW IS THAT OBAMA TAX AND SPEND WORKING FOR YOU!!!!!!

          OBAMA

          • Jana

            dog, you said it and said it well. I agree with you 100%.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Mike, when did you leave the human race? Whatever your taking is making you null and void dude, so stop before your on the street living on democratic government handouts like the majority of their voters.

    • denniso

      Am Pat…you apparently have way too much free time,judging by the length of your rant..get a job or volunteer your time helping kids or poor people have a nice Xmas.

      The do nothing Repubs set out to defeat any reform bill because they are totally in bed w/ the industry. They fought to strip the bill of anything meaningful like the public option to add some real competition to the corporate system..they pressured the moderate Dems and helped produce a weaker and less effective bill. So, of course it became a power struggle that they instigated. The Dems stuck together and now we may actually get a bill that can be improved upon later that will help the millions of people who struggle against the millionaire lead insuance corporations. God bless America and the Dems for fighting for the country and the people.

      • runninbear

        This bill was written and made without anyone outside Obama and the bribed democrats who cut deals for their state,and used the lives of unborned babies as a bargining chip to get the 60 votes they needed to ram this uncontitutional health care bill down the throats of the american people who were opposed to this so called attempt to give us a health care that would save lives of unborn babies,the elderly and the uninsured.
        This is what happens when we allow coruppt men who refuse to listen to the people who gave them their J.O.B.’s and who doesn’t have to be forced to buy something the repesentives of our country wouldn’t accept for themselves.But Now I think it time “WE THE PEOPLE FORCE THEM TO ACCEPT THE SAME HEALTH CARE THEY HAVE FORCED ONTO U.S.

        • Foolpatrol

          @ runninbear,
          FYI 18,000 BORN Americans die each year due to lack of health insurance. No more fear and smear from brain dead Republicans! Abortion or Terrorists does not negate the fact that Americans need and want healthcare reforn NOW!

          • http://Aol VCC

            You need to drop the patrol in your screen name, because you are obviously are one. People that hire people to work for them won’t be able to afford them so more jobs will be lost if this bill passes. Guess you didn’t read the article..I think only people who actually pay taxes ought to be able to vote!! I’m betting that you wouldn’t get a vote!! Just another one that wants something for nothing!!

          • Palin12

            Get a job, fool, and you won’t have to worry.

          • Chuck

            This is not reform – this is a confiscation of our liberties. They have no authority to do what they need, and they continue to have many brain-dead people following them.

            Think for yourself for once, and do not believe the drivel you hear from the TV.

            This is no better than the police raiding your house in the middle of the night and taking whatever they feel like. The ones supposed to represent us are in fact in on it, and enjoying all kinds of perks we are paying for, as they thumb their noses at us.

          • DaveH

            I get so tired of hearing that Figure. Show us the proof. Anybody can quote wild figures.
            Food is a lot more critical to life than health care. So everybody should be supplied free food? In other words Communism? It hasn’t worked anywhere in the world. It won’t work here. Only in your dreams. Meanwhile the politicians get more power, which is really what it is all about. They could give a crap less about the citizens.
            It has been proven time and time again that free economies are the most productive (by far). So even the Liberal Fools in society are going to suffer under the Democrat Socialism. But I guess if you can drag others down, you are too Foolish to care.

          • John

            Fool, more than 18,000 Americans will die each year with this new health bill proposal.
            Don’t be so stupid.

          • JC

            Get the government completely out of the health care biz and get Big Pharma out of the lobby biz and you’ll ghave a good start. But asking for more government is insanity.

          • Joe H.

            Hey FOOL!!!
            how many of those “Americans” are illegal aliens from other countries south of the border????

          • JC

            Nothing like a religious control freak to get it all in order for the rest of us.

          • dog

            HEY YOU FOOL more people will die from this bill and more prople will be out of work from this bill. GET A JOB IDIOT!!!

            I am one of the americans that do no want health insurance because all health insurance is flawwed and the GOV run health isurance is worthless unless you are illegal alien.

          • Average Joe

            Foolpatrol,
            Whenever I here people spouting off numbers about how many people died because of this or that, I think about the Flu Statistics. According to the CDC 30,000 people die in the US from the flu. How many of those people would have died anyway, even if they did not get the flu? How many of those people died of other complications such as asthma, bronchitus,enphazema, pneumonia and just plain bad health habits? How many of those that died “had” their flu shots? Sometimes you have to look past the “numbers” in order to get to the real numbers. Half truths are also…..Half lies. Look at the big picture…do a little analyzing.

      • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

        Denny o
        its because of morons like you and your power hungry knuckle draging moron demonocrats that are force feeding the american people their far left radical marxist communist take over of the AMERICAN NATION AGENDA’S.!!!!!!. I AM VOLUNTEERING MY VALUEABLE FREE TIME TO FIGHT ALONG SIDE , WITH THE MAJORITY OF FREEDOM FIGHTING AMERICANS.!!! BECAUSE OF MORONS LIKE YOU WHO WOULD RATHER BECOME A SLAVE TO YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT AS THEY STEAL EACH AND EVERY CONSTITUTION RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER YOUR BLIND EYES.. JUST ANOTHER BLIND DUMB AND STUPID MORON DEMONOCRACT.!!!!!!! WHO LOVES BEING CONTROLED AND TOLD HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIFE. AHHHHHHHH WHICH WAY SHOULD I GO GEORGE.?????. LET ME GUESS YOU HAVE INSIDE SECRET INFO ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL MARXIST COMMUNIST LEGISLATION. YEAH SURE YOU DO .. DIRTY HARRY IS KEEPING YOU INFORMED AS TO WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THIS HORRIFFIC TRAVESTY OF A HEALTH CONTROL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.!!!!!!!. DENNY YOU ARE SIMPLE DEATH IN ONE EAR AND CAN NOT HEAR OUT OF THE OTHER EAR, JUST LIKE YOUR MORON DEMONOCRATS.!!!!!!!. 70% OF ALL AMERICAN CITIZEN DO NOT WANT ANY OF YOUR FAR LEFT RADICAL TAKE OVER AND TRANSFORM AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST STATE.!!!!!!. WAKE UP YOU BLIND MORON. EVEN IF YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF , DO IT FOR OUR CHILDREN.!!!!.. ENJOY YOUR TIME BEING A MORON FAR LEFT RADICAL LIBERAL BECAUSE ON JUDGEMENT DAY ELLECTION 2010 YOUR MORON BUDDYS ARE ALL GOING TO BE ERADICATED FROM OFFICE.AND THEN MY GUTLESS FRIEND YOU WILL HAVE TO GET ON A BOAT AND GO LIVE IN CASTRO’S COMMUNIST CUBA.!!!!!. THE LIBERAL DEMONS ONLY MAKE UP A SMALL VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THIS COUNTRY THE REST OF US ARE CONSERVATIVES AND WE ARE THE MAJORITY. YOU MORONS RADICAL LIBERALS AND YOUR IDIOTIC RHETERIC ARE GOING TO BE EXSTINCT IN THIS COUNTRY AFTER JUDGEMENT DAY ELEECTION 2010.. STAY TUNED FOR THE NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION THAT IS GOING TO STEAM ROLL YOUR MORON RADICAL FAR LEFT PARTY INTO THE GROUND FOR GOOD.!!!!! SO ENJOY YOUR SLAVERY NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN. OH DENNYO YOU MORONS HATE IT WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN EXSPOSED AND OH MY GOD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE AWOKEN.!!!!. THE SLEEPING GIANT HAS AWOKEN.!!!!!!! GOOD LUCK IN YOUR CORRUPT RELLECTION EFFORTS YOU ARE YOUR MORON MARXIST COMMUNIST FAR LEFT RADICAL DEMONS ARE GOING TO NEED ALL THE CHEATING , STEALING , LIAR RADICAL RHETORIC AND CORUPTION THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLELY DREAM OF TO KEEP YOUR DEMONOCRAT PARTY IN EXISTANCE.!!! GOOD LUCK MORON…

        AMERICAN PATRIOT… FIGHTING FOR AMERICA’S FREEDOMS, RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES. HOW IS THAT FOR VOLUNTEERING.???.
        MERYY CHRISTMAS MORON.

        AMERICAN PATRIOT

      • Vicki

        “The Dems stuck together and now we may actually get a bill that can be improved upon later that will help the millions of people who struggle against the millionaire lead insuance corporations. God bless America and the Dems for fighting for the country and the people.”

        Would that be the same Dems that are planning thru mandatory participation provide those millionaire lead insurance corporations with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of $$ from those who currently choose to be uninsured even when they can afford it?

        Looks to me like it is the Dems that are in bed with big business.

        • Joe H.

          Vicki,
          Or we will get a bill that will be made worse later. Would you like to bet your parents health on that? Or your kids? Get a grip lady!!!

        • dog

          The dems are fighting to make us a communist country which is GOV controlled instead is right now we are citizen controlled. IF this bill is passed, say good by to our freedom and hello socialism. Welcome to the USSA comrades.

          • Jana

            The Congress is no longer our Representatives, they have become our dictators.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Denniso, you are confuse here my friend. Repubs in bed with insurance? Maybe you should study up on this, and you would find out that these approved insurance companies that are going to take over this thing, are all democrat owned and run, and its the perfect set up. They give them a license to steal from all of us, then the insurance companies the democrats put in place, line all the democrats pockets with cash constantly and consistantly, and they all plunder the country. If you dont see that, or even dont know that, I highly suggest you take the time, read up on this, study a little bit, apply yourself, and see just what the hell is going on. Its the perfect mob set up. Thanks to dummies like you that blindly voted them in, you aint seen nothing yet. Theyll stick it to you as much as me or anyone else. Unreal.

    • http://ordy@fedtel./net Eric g

      I dont recall the republicans doing much for health care reform either . This bill does nothing for lowering costs , which have gotten way out of line . But it certianly is better than nothing , as it should stop the bankruptcy cuased by the medical industry . which insidently is our biggest cause of bankruptcy . not over spending or unqulified loans .

      • Joe H.

        Eric g,
        this plan is not better than nothing it is much worse!!! It takes away our freedoms and makes a mockery of our freedom to choose who we want to cover us and what kind of coverage we want good or bad!!! My insurance has no preexisting clause and no lifetime limit. I can see any Dr. I wish and a specialist without a precert and as soon as the man or woman has an opening. Why in hell would I want a government type coverage? I’d have to be stupid. It costs me about 275 a month and that’s cheap at twice the cost when you consider it has only a small co-pay and free drugs!!!

      • Jana

        Eric, you are right, the Repubs did not add anything to this bill. They were not allowed to. They have been totally ignored.
        This bill will cost us the actual tax payers a whole lot more. We will be forced to buy insurance or pay a fine. The rest of us will be forced to pay higher premiums.
        This is a sad day for the United States and the Dems are ignoring all of us.
        These people are supposed to be our Representatives, not our leaders. They are too full of self importance to remember that.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I have to disagree. I work, and my insurance worked just fine for me and my family. I paid my premiums, and never have to worry about nothing, but those days are gone now. Its soon to escalate out of control, and really quick. The only beneficiarys, are the unemployed crack heads now get everything free, and the working man pays more and more. Sounds like the democrat way to me, again.

    • michael carr

      Thank god We shut those idiot republicans down. Too bad we did not get a true public option. God bless the democrats and may all conservatives die and rot in hell.

      • Average Joe

        michael carr,
        I hope you are not the poster boy for Christianity…people like you give it a bad name. You throw the word God out there (Thank God, God Bless) and then wish that everyone that dissagrees with your views to burn in Hell? Nice job there nimrod…makes me want to join your chuch immediately…Hipocrite….

        • michael carr

          I do not have one view of Christianiy. I believe that being free means evryone has aright to ones own belief. I just don’t like one group telling people how they should live. By the way at least I have The guts to use my real name unlike you.

          • Average Joe

            michael carr,

            I believe that being free means evryone has aright to ones own belief. I just don’t like one group telling people how they should live.

            but, didn’t you just make this statement?

            Thank god We shut those idiot republicans down. Too bad we did not get a true public option. God bless the democrats and may all conservatives die and rot in hell…..

            And you don’t consider that Dems forcing everyone into a system that they do not wish to participate in…. as telling people how they should live? What a friggin’ hypocrite….it’s all ok so long as you agree with it…kinda double standard there partner…can’t have it both ways. And yes it is forcing people to buy something (a commodity) which is completely Un-Constitutional with a threat of fines and incarceration…I am glad that you posted your real name…now the world knows that you are a idiot. I have used this screen name for years..so I am not gonna stop using it just because “you used your real name”. I do not wish for all of you IDIOT
            Demacrats to die and go to hell….I just wish you would wise up and stop forcing your veiw of life on the rest of us….who just happen to believe in our founding documents and the rule of law…IF you want socialism….move the hell out of this country and go to Canada..England etc…they already have what you want…..This is a Republic…not a Demacracy…GET A CLUE…you are a two faced, double standard…communist…don’t bother replying to me…you have nothing of value to add…Merry Christmas…MORON

          • Jana

            AJ,
            Michael is just being a typical Socialist. They just can’t help but show their own true selves. Confused and hypocritical. They want tolerance from the right but refuse to give or show tolerance in any way. They want their own way or they will stomp their feet and cry till they think they got it.

          • DaveH

            The Democratic Party is the Party of Forcers and Thieves.

          • Jana

            They have become dictators.

      • dog

        the reps won’t vote on it because it is against the constituion. They do not want to be tried for treason.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Michael Carr is not a Christian, and knows nothing of it, as is obvious by his stance on things. He uses the name God in vain, as I fully believe to him, and others like him, God is someone they do not know.

    • dog

      DITTOS, you are correct mr. patriot and AMEN

    • John

      it was to late the day the american people were stupid enough to beleive a president that ran on change

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sad to say, it shows the power of marketing. You take millions of people sitting around doing nothing day in and day out but watching the brain sucker in their houses, and this guy spends millions upon millions of dollars and keeps saying, change, change, change, and they believed it, because they seen it on TV. Never thought Id seen the uneducated have so much power. Unbelievable.

        • Robin

          Beberoni,I agree with you. Not to mention the media cramming him(Obama) down our throats, and never asking any tough questions. He has gotten such a pass on everything. The media stinks. Alot of this mess we are in is their fault. If they were true journalist Americans would know alot more about Obama, for example the people he surrounds himself with Marxist,socialist,America haters.Hollywood also wanted him real bad,we all know how moral they are. Between the media and the hollywood elites they made it so cool to vote for this man. What a joke. We are also in this mess because of the dumbing down of society, People don’t seem to care if our leaders are virtuous anymore as long as they promise to give them stuff even if it means taking it from someone who worked hard for it. Sorry to rant but can you imagine if Bush did half the crap this guy is doing? The media would have had a hayday. This is what happends when we as Americans care more about comfort then freedom.I think we have a rough road ahead of us.

  • J C

    This is reminiscent of the Tax Act and Federal Reserve Act’s that were brought in after hours at Christmas, after most of the Representatives had left for the Holidays in 1913. The rest I’m sure were well rewarded for their treasonous acts too. Basterd’s!

    • Floyd

      One of the best ways to stop these creeps is to stop Pork Barrel Spending! How? We have to get as many conservatives on board as possible to craft a bill that says if your state receives more compensation than the other states whether its in the original bill or is an Ear Mark then your Senators and Congressmen cannot vote yes to the bill but it will be recorded as an automatic No Vote for your state. If the bill fails to pass on the first vote then half of the ear marks ( the most expensive) have to be taken out of the bill, then if it still fails to pass All of the Ear Marks must be taken out of the bill. If the bill still fails to pass then it is to be sent back to committee for further study and changes and must wait at least a year before it can be voted on again! If a state has an emergency and need money or special help then the other states can pass the bill without the vote of the beneficial states vote. Something of this nature has to be passed and I believe the majority of Americans will support this idea. Once you turn off their money machine you can start eliminating these perverse Liberals who wish to usurp the constitution and openly steal from us the way they have been doing for many years now. Let everybody who agrees with me contact their state representatives and start crafting such a bill as soon as possible. Thanks, your friend and author of The Great Time Hawk In The Sky, Words Hardee.

      • denniso

        What a pity..you whiners have NO clue about a civil society or gov’t role in it.

        • Average Joe

          denniso says:
          December 21, 2009 at 9:38 am
          What a pity..you whiners have NO clue about a civil society or gov’t role in it.

          What a pity…you uninformed, uneducated people who call yourelve “Americans” have no clue about the founding of this nation or the Documents that formed this nation.
          People like you tend to spout a lot of talk with absolutlely nothing to back up your claims. PLease show me where in the Constitution (the LAW of the land) where congress has the right to force yu to buy anything(a commodity) that you do not wish to purchase, or where in said document that you have a right? to free anything…let alone healthcare (a commodity) at someone else’s expence. This is theft at gunpoint (buy our insurance or go to jail (up to 5 yrs) and be fined (up to $5000). That my friend is strong-armed robbery as well as extortion and the last time I checked both were still illegal and punishable by prison time. It is one thing to say we can opt in if we choose, it is entirely another matter to force us against our will to buy anything that we do not wish to buy or can’t afford to buy.
          Please take this time to crawl back under your rock and enjoy the sweet smell of all of the crap that you seem to believe. This is not the first time that I have read your ignorant rants (and I am sure it won’t be the last),but most of us do not live in fantasyland , where we think that the Government needs to take care of us from cradle to grave. Get a grip on reality and learn to take personal responsibilty for your own life….”We the people are not your keeper…grow up!

          • Foolpatrol

            I have a clue about the founding documents. Some of it is brilliant and far thinking and the rest is BS. Remember the clause of our Constitution that counted Blacks as a fraction of a human being? That was racist and ignorant! It evidences that the founders were imperfect MEN of their time. Nonetheless, the imperfect, slave holding, founders had the far sightedness to understand that they had to be corrected periodically also. That why we have the amendment process and the mechanisms to pass new legislation. We’ll keep perfecting their original concept until we get it right. Happy Holidays!

          • Average Joe

            Foolpatrol says:
            December 21, 2009 at 10:47 am,

            That is right….Constituional Amendment….that is the only way to change it…and I see no Constituioal Amendment here.BTW, this issue has nothing to do with race and should not have been brought into this conversation…this seems to me another pity the poor black folks who were enslaved….I do pity them for what they were put through, but that was 150 years ago and things have changed. We are neither slave holders nor slaves (other than to the national government). Again…this is about personal responsibility, personal freedoms and the proper role of government ie…to protect individual rights.

          • DaveH

            Where do you get that crap Fool? There is nothing in the Constitution that says Blacks are a fraction of anything. Yes, many of the states ignored the equality of man, but that was not Constitutional.
            Meanwhile, you Liberal thieves are taking advantage of the hard-working Blacks who were striving to achieve the American Dream. Just like the Southern slave-owners did. You give lip service to anti-slavery, but then you participate in enslaving people (many of them your fellow Blacks).

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I agree. Denniso and Fool Patrol are totally uneducated on this one, for sure to say the least. Its a democrat/mob set up, with the democrat insurance companies given a license to steal, who will plunder all the money they can from the people, with the government footing the bill, which is really our money, then they will line the democratic politicians pockets, who will legislate more power to them. They have been given a license to steal by uninformed, unintelligent, uneducated, un-American people like denniso and fool patrol. Shame on them.

          • Joe H.

            Average Joe,
            The fine was more like 20,000 dollars not five!!!

            Hey Fool!!! Show me where the constitution says anything about the value of any race!!!! You must be a product of public non-education!!!!

          • Foolpatrol

            WOW! Are you people really this stupid? You rally around a document and you don’t even know what it says! It is obvious why Sarah ‘give me free, what’s in it for me’ Palin is your hero. Very sad, the dumbing down of America.

            The Constitution and Slavery:

            Article I, Section. 2 [Slaves count as 3/5 persons]
            Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons [i.e., slaves].
            The ‘Three-Fifths’ in the ‘Three-Fifths Compromise’ refers to the fact that it was agreed that slaves would each count as three-fifths of a person. In other words, for every five slaves, three of them counted as people. After the ‘Great Compromise,’ having a large population would determine how many electoral votes each state would have, how many votes in the House of Representatives each state would have, and how much each state would pay in taxes. By counting slaves in their population, the South would gain more political power but would pay more in taxes, which they were willing to do. The North disagreed because they felt that slaves should not count as people because they did not have the rights that free people hold. If the South wanted these crucial additions to their population, the slaves would have to be free. Both sides disagreed, so they were forced to compromise. They agreed that slaves would count as three-fifths of a person. As far as your one-half or two-thirds comments, I do not know where you could find information as to why they settled on one number instead of another.

          • Average Joe

            Foolpatrol says:
            December 21, 2009 at 9:20 pm,
            Did you notice that I did not argue the 3/5 equation with you? I have read the documents in question and re-read them on a fairly regular basis. BTW I don’t care much for Palin…my choice was Ron Paul, the only candidate that has never renouned his beliefs and convictions since he got into politics back in the 1970′s.The only candidate who even attempts to tell the truth to the people.Of course the media basically shut Mr. Paul out during the campaign and labled him as a nut job. Pity that everything he has said about the economy has come to fruitation…and for some reason….now the media is actually starting to take him seriously…too bad they didn’t when he was running for President, we might just have a Constitutional government now…instead of this travesty that we now call the President.

            Politicians are like books….many have great titles….so few have any real substance.

          • denniso

            A Joe…guess what..i agree w/ you that the gov’t has no right telling me what to buy,no matter what it is. Most people are not affected by that aspect of the plan though,because most people are insured thru their jobs..I’m self employed and I will be affected. My hope is that since it was a but in for the ins industry to go along w/ reform,it’ll be changed in the future. The bottom line is that we need real reform and too many people can’t afford to go to the doctor or hospital or they go bankrupt…it’s a national disgrace that has to change and this is as good as it gets for now.

          • DaveH

            Good one Fool. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I had not noticed that before.
            Our forefathers weren’t perfect, but they were experienced in the error of Big Government and tried to protect us from such.
            Slavery was then and always will be wrong. And slavery does not have a skin-color rule. It can happen to anybody. So, why do you advocate the enslavement of people by Big Government? When contracts are not voluntary, when our earned money is not respected as our own property, then we are slaves.

          • Jana

            Fool, you must also remember women weren’t allowed to vote either. But now women vote so we are counted as a whole person, the blacks count as a whole person and can vote now also.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thanks Joe. denniso and the fool are a scourge to society. They do not care about America, and it shows in their words. The care nothing of this nations history, or of freedom, or of righteousness, or of right and wrong, good and evil. They truly have shown by their very rants and raves, they cannot tell the difference between the two.

        • Robin

          The proper role of government is to protect equal rights, not provide equal things. Why don’t you people who want to live in a socialized society move to Europe or Canada.

          • Foolpatrol

            Cause they are Americans and that don’t have to go anywhere!

          • Robin

            Can anybody out there please tell me where Socialized medicine has ever worked. Please don’t say Canada we all know that is false.

          • Average Joe

            Robin says:
            December 21, 2009 at 11:51 am,
            I don’t believe in being politically correct..this is not socialized medicine…this is …to be blunt…Socialized Eugenics, as it is in every country where it has been implimented. The Government decides who lives and who dies….not your doctor, not your insurance company, not you…the Government decides if you are productively viable enough to allow you to continue living…..that amounts to Eugenics, plain and simple.

          • DaveH

            Fool,
            You deserve the mess you’re helping to create. But many of your hard-working fellow blacks don’t deserve what you’re creating.

          • c lee

            Does anyone out there remember a movie starring Charlten Heston called Soilent Green. I think thats where we are headed. If you think it sounds far out there the govt is takeing all our freedoms away their trying to disarm us they are takeing over our health care they are over populating our country with illegal aliens we no longer have a say in what goes on in our govt. Big Brother is not only watching you he is taking you. If any of this sounds crazy to you then you have been sleeping, in a trance or your just plain stupped. If we dont regain control of our destiny our future looks grim.

          • Lynn

            Sorry Robin, universal healthcare works just fine here in Canada. If you don’t like it that’s cool, but I like the fact that I don’t have to spend my entire life savings on a loved one who unexpectedly ended up in at a hospital. I’ve heard too many stories about hard working Americans whose life savings were wiped out by unexpected health emergencies and felt thankful that I live in Canada. (Don’t get me wrong, I love visiting the US, with my travel insurance.) I hope you guys get this sorted out, but don’t denigrate the Canadian healthcare system, it works very well and we like it just the way it is.

          • DaveH

            I talked with a Canadian who was a banker. A medical outfit wanted to get a loan to build a private for-profit clinic that would offer better health care then the public clinics. The Canadian Liberals were fighting that action, because it wouldn’t be “fair” to those regular citizens who couldn’t afford such good care. Ahh, the politics of envy. What would we do without jealous citizens? I mean besides having better economies.

          • Joe H.

            lynn,
            tell that to the people like my aunt that comes here to the states to see a cancer Dr three times a year for treatment!!! In Canada she has to wait way too long, might as well curl up and die!!! I like Canada and the fishing is great, but the people have been coming here for years to see Dr.s unless they have a hernia that needs surgery as they have the premier hospital for that and that was developed before they went public option!!!

          • Rod James

            Robin & DaveH, Canada has a Health system that takes care of all the best way it can which means quite long wait times for Emerg service and many operation procedures. This care is for all with a minimum charge (some provinces have quarterly bills eg; approx $40 per Mo. single coverage $140 family)Many companies offer supplimental coverage with employee plans.DaveH many Provinces have private clinics that anyone who wants faster (better?) service can buy (eg; $3000 per year per family plus treatment costs. The Socialized care that many of you are so panicked about comes with a hefty price tag with huge deficits being incurred by some Provinces. I think I would prefer to be taken care of by that system rather than have to go untreated or have to take out a second mortgage or even sell your home for a major health treatment as is common in the US.

          • denniso

            Lynn…thanks for the civililized input and setting the record straight. I like Canada.

          • DaveH

            The difference here, Rod, is whether or not anybody has a right to ride on anybody else’s unwilling shoulders. There is little that is “free” in life. Those products that are given to the citizens by government are paid for by somebody else (unwillingly usually). That is theft, plain and simple. And even if not for the immorality of it, the costs will inevitably escalate beyond those of a free-market system. The more bureaucrats you throw into a person’s health-care decisions, the more the expenses go up or the rationing increases.

            If health care is a right, then surely food and shelter are also. The lack of food or proper shelter will lead to death far more often than the lack of good healthcare. So, the inevitable next step is Marxism which has failed miserably everywhere it has been fully implemented.

        • J C

          What a pity you would like us all to be more like you….whining and complaining that MOMMY needs to fix everything. I’m so scared! Government please save me! Waaah!
          Disgusting sycophants – hardly worth calling Americans.

          • DaveH

            Yes, JC, we have gone from a nation of rugged pioneers to a nation of whining wimps in just a little over 200 years. Amazing.
            And even more amazing is that these whiners are too ignorant to know they are going to be at the bottom of the heap in Socialism also but with far fewer resources to share than under a free market system. But the political class will be fat and happy.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats why they are the left wing liberal pacifist appeasers. Just like the frenchmen that hide and cry for us to come save them. They sit there now and call on the government to save them, to take care of them and to provide for them. Do they not know, that not only is this wrong, it is very dangerous. You dont give the government more power over your lives. You give them less. You have them back off and let you live your life free of their tyranny. Yet this left wing liberal pacifist appeasers want to empower the government and grow and grow it and give them more and more power, and its wrong, sad, and dangerous. Pacifism and appeasement have failed everywhere it has ever been tried. Everytime. You liberals all need to move to Somalia or Yemen, or somewhere like that where people think like you do, and hate the United States of America.

        • JC

          I guess in your case the governments role is mommy and daddy.

        • Average Joe

          denniso,

          I am in the same boat that you are sir, at present an unemployed Land Surveyor (self employed also) and still I will not sacrifice my convictions and beliefs to support this piece of garbage legislation. Sometimes a person has to stand up for their God given rights regardless of the consequences to them personally. I will rot in jail rather than cow down to these self serving idiots in DC who claim to represent “We the People”, but only serve their own interests. I have drawn my line in the sand and will not back down. The worst they can do is kill me….so what, we all have to die sometime (just a matter of when and how), but at least I will die having kept my morals and integrity. If our founding fathers had bowed to the crown….just to go with the flow….this Republic would not exist.I will stand my ground.
          If you want to change the health care system,
          Push for tort reform, insurance across state lines and the removal of anti trust exemptions that the insurance Cos. now enjoy. But please don’t just “accept” what they give us simply becase it is better than nothing…that serves no purpose other than to tell these idiots that they can do as they please with no reprecussions….fight back…say…no thanks…..MY line has been drawn and I will not back down.

          • Jana

            Average Joe,

            Amen and Amen!!!

          • DaveH

            You’re a good man Joe.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            This is because, you sir, choose to stand on your own two feet as a man of conviction, a real man. Those with outlooks like denniso and fool patrol and curtis and johnnyrite cannot stand on their own. They need the government to change their diaper and feed them and clothe them, and wipe their butt for them, because they havent learned to stand up on their own two feet yet. This is, the perfect example they set, of the liberal think tank that is subverting America to being a second class nation, and I for one, am not going to stand for it, and I know you arent either. I applaud your convictions as a man, and I fully recognize them as righteousness in you.

  • Connie

    The American people are just so much chattle to the Washington lawmakers. Nothing we can do could match the millions they have to throw around to get the votes. So much for trusting the government to be fair….

    • Jeff

      Yes there is a way to stop them! If we all stick together and stop sending them OUR money that would take the wind out of there sail! Lets see how many sheep will follow on this one or are we all independent suddenly with a brain.

      • DZ

        How can we stop the crap that is in this bill, I am really worried about that?

        • DaveH

          We can’t DZ. But we can actively campaign against all of the politicians that helped create this Big Government mess. Clean House in 2010 (and the Senate too).

        • Average Joe

          DZ,
          The only way that we will ever stop this insanity and usurpation of power is on the local level.We as a people need to stop worrying about what the National government is doing and start worrying about local government is doing. We need to start electing Constitutional leaders locally and on the state levels that will stand up to the Federal government and say “we do not agree and reject your laws within our state”.We need to elect people that will stand up for the Constitution and our 10th Amendment Rights to govern our own affairs, without federal interference. We need to stop funding the Federals and have our states issue their own Constitutionally mandated money (Article 1 Section 8). We need to have Govenors that will authorize Constitutional state militias (2nd Amendment)that answer to the Govenor of the state and not the Federal government. A good place to start would be a Sheriff that upholds the Constitution. IF you want change…start on the local level….it does not matter what the Federal government implements…if the states will not enforce it.
          Everything starts at home and moves outwardly..small ideas can become enormous ideas…start at the botom and work up..not from the top and work down.

      • DaveH

        Jeff,
        Nice sentiment, but it won’t work. They will just keep spending and printing more money. We will then pay the hidden taxes of inflation.
        We need to get together and vote the Big Government lovers out of office, no matter which Party they belong to.
        There is only one Political Party that understands true individual freedom and the individual responsibility that come with it. That is the Libertarian Party:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          You can’t guarantee that once the libertarian party starts winning, if they ever do, that the big Gov people won’t infiltrate just like they did in the repubs!!! We need to vote them out and not fund either party till they get the message!!! We need to tell them that we have had enough and will vote them out of their job if they don’t start representing us and show them by sticking to our guns!!!

          • DaveH

            Joe,
            Of course that possibility exists. There is no substitute for a citizenry that is educated in the reality of freedom. But right now, the Libertarian Party is the only real choice we have if we want freedom from Big Government. We will just have to be vigilant to make sure they aren’t also corrupted.

        • Average Joe

          DaveH,
          In case you haven’t figured it out yet, I am a Constitutionalist, which not far off from being a Liberatarian.Yes education is the key, however, no matter how hard we try…there will be those that do not wish to aknowlege the truth because it goes againgt everything that their indoctrination has taught them. Having all of your beliefs shattered can be quite traumatic to some and no matter how much evidence you provide….they just will not hear what we have to say. Keep educating all that are willing to shrug off the chains of tyranny and hear the truth.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The democrat followers are sheeple, and they will continue to give them money even when it becomes clear to them that they are getting screwed, because its engrained in them to never admit a mistake or that your wrong. You see, with them, its always somebody elses fault. So when they all find out they are going to have to pay more and more for medical premiums and co pays, and more of a portion of the bill, they will then somehow raise that little finger, and try to blame it on Bush, because that is what they do. Pacifist appeasers.

        • DaveH

          I agree Beberoni. I have never seen a Democrat who has accepted responsibility for a failed policy. They want to keep throwing good money after bad in their failed quests for Utopia. That is probably why they want somebody else’s money in the first place – they have wasted their own on foolish actions.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Talk about throwing good money after bad. Hows that GM/Chrysler thing going? Last I heard, the corporates are allready inquiring about if they can give some huge bonuses, and the unions are allready wanting more money and planning a future strike. Did anybody really think they would change? It is the perfect example of throwing good money after bad as you said, and they will crumble and fall, and someone will be making off with all that cash, that came out of our pockets. This is what big government brings to us. Isnt it grand. And to think there are some, even in this thread here, that want to give the government more and more power running health care, like growing them is a good thing. Unbelieveable Dave. How can some be so uneducated and stupid to this? I dont get it.

  • Norm

    Wow AMERICAN PATRIOT!!
    I hope they pass the healthcare bill in time for you to get your mental problems looked at.
    The bill, as approved by the Senate (all 60%), is less than great to be sure. But it’s very generous to the “free enterprize” insurance companys. That should make you very happy. The question that I have is where were the Republicans. I didn’t hear one constructive idea from them. Their plan was to act like a bunch of middle school flunky’s. Name calling, distortions, and diversions aren’t the way a democracy works. I think they will also pay a price in 2010 and 2012.

    • TeresaE

      You obviously don’t own a business with employees.

      This is EXACTLY what is going to happen:

      After years of double digit increases in insurance costs, millions of businesses have shoved costs onto their employees and are still losing money.

      So, now we get to shove 100% of the costs onto our employees (and ourselves).

      Our employees are going to be shocked that health care for “all” (ok 2/3 of the uninsured, we still have left an entire chunk not covered), is not free. As will you.

      Get ready to start footing 100% of your own bill (which goes up every year) and get ready for the Bush tax cuts AND these new taxes to hit your income simultaneously.

      We can’t afford this POS. Within 2 years you are going to find out just how badly we can’t afford it.

      Looking forward to more government control of our bodies too. It will be great. Hope you enjoy it.

      • denniso

        Norm.. happy winter solstice,the sun is moving back up into the sky!!

        Theresa..you obviously haven’t gone for your entire life as a selfemployed businessman w/ no health insurance. I also doubt that you’ve ever struggled financially to the point where you couldn’t afford to go to the doctor when actually needed. Your numbers are wrong and you and the other screamers here will be proven as wrong as the people who tried to shout down S.S. and medicare and medicaid.
        Wake up and smell the coffee good folks.

        • Chuck

          Why should I pay for your health insurance just because you don’t buy your own? You have the same right to buy it that I do – so why should I buy yours?

          Why should someone who does NOT WANT health insurance need to be put in jail for having the audacity to go without. Yes, millions CHOOSE to go without even when they have the option to get it and can afford it.

          What will be next?

          • Joe H.

            Norm,
            It clearly states that once you are on the government policy you can not leave!!! The insurance companies can not survive without new customers. Now how is that FAIR to them??? If you are on your parents insurance then you will be covered by the government option if they get temporarily laid off so then you don’t have the choice they have now!!!
            If you, as an employee, gets laid off say for three months, just long enough to lose your coverage, you HAVE to go on the government option and then you can never leave!!!! This equals no new customers for the insurance companies!!! This means a new bunch of unemployed people!!! So if you don’t care about them being unemployed, why should we or they be concerned about you being without coverage?????

          • denniso

            I didn’t say that I can’t afford ins…i’m talking about the millions who can’t. The healthcare industry has orchestrated the huge increases in prices so that they can get multimillion $$ salaries and in the process have priced many people out of the market..you want to leave them out of the system because their salaries have not increased to keep up?? The ‘market’ does not work well or efficiently for commodities that are vital necessities of life. Almost everyone needs health care at some point and they can’t choose when to purchase it or not. So the classic ‘supply and demand’ equation doesn’t work.

          • Average Joe

            denniso says:
            December 21, 2009 at 11:57 pm,
            Let me try this again….Tort reform….insurance across state lines…removing the Anti trust exemtions from the “too big to fail” insurance companies…the will cause more competition thereby lowering the cost of ALL insurance. It is not working now because the government will not allow a true free market economy. How much less would it cost doctors,hospitals etc…if the did not have to abide by all of the Federal rules and regulations?…please don’t tell me how we need the Federal regulations….is your state ,county, city etc….too incompetent to set their own standards? What is it that makes the Federal government so much more wise than “We the People”?
            Are they somehow brighter,all knowing simply because they hold national office?Not hardly…they still eat,crap and put there pants on just like the rest of us. What separates those polititians from the rest of us is this: the ability to make other people believe that the sky is falling, when in fact the sky is still in the same place it has always been.Wake up and grow up…stop worshiping false idols…they are not gods…they are fallable human beings who are trying to convince you that their words are golden and weak minded people look at them in awe while chanting save us, save us! I have a better idea…take personal responsibility for your own life and save yourself.Stop buying the BS that they are trying to sell you.

          • DaveH

            Dumniso says:
            “..you want to leave them out of the system because their salaries have not increased to keep up?? The ‘market’ does not work well or efficiently for commodities that are vital necessities of life.”

            First of all their salaries aren’t keeping up because Big Government (the Government you encourage) is draining financial resources from our economy with all their well-paid meddlers (bureaucrats) who actually hamper people that are trying to be productive.
            And the market does not work well for necessities? So you are for free food and shelter? In other words, you are a Marxist? You are amazingly ignorant. Marxism has failed wherever it has been tried. And for good reason. Somebody has to do the work, and if there is no reward their work ethic is not going to last long. It rarely does.
            I have provided many links for you, Dumniso, to learn about the benefits of “economic freedom” but obviously you choose Hopes and Dreams over knowledge.
            Here is another starter link which I’m sure you will not use, but others who truly want to learn will use it:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Theresa is right. Sorry denniso,(words removed).

    • American Patriot Backer

      Norm,

      This bill won’t help you with your mental problem! You need to look outside of the liberal main stream media and see the truth. The conservative representatives did not get to input anything because of Pelosi and Dirty Harry’s lock down on the participation of those people. They would not let them have any input into these crappy bills they are screwing us with. This country will fail because of sheeple like you and you other liberal followers. Destroying the economy is what your buddy BHO is intent on doing so he can gather up Americans into the one world money and government. What would you expect from a Muslim in the white house? Muslim you question??? he was sworn in as a Muslim from Kenya to the senate in Chicago and he still won’t produce a birth certificate. You trust a man who has no interest in the truth, the constitution or the freedom to keep what we work for with having it stolen from us by the government to redistribute to those parasites who will not work? Did you know there was research done and the fact is, if the government were to just pay for the medical bills of all the supposed uninsured that it would be one tenth of the cost we are looking at right now? People like you are ruining this country with you inept attitude and disdain toward the wage earners and hard working people in this country. Taxing the crap out of all the business owners and workers is really smart right? What are you people going to do when we decide it’s not worth the effort to support you leakers and parasites and close our businesses? I know the parasites will die because we won’t pay the bills for you any longer! WAKE UP DUDE! WAKE UP USA! LIBERALS, GO BACK TO SLEEP!

      • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

        AMERICAN PATRIOT BACKER
        YOU ARE A TRUE SAINT AND A TRUE HEARTED AMERICAN PATRIOT.!!!! YOU PUT IT ALL IN GOOD WORDS AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.!!!!!.
        ORGANIZED TOGETHER WE ALL WILL TAKE BACK OUR GREAT COUNTRY. WE GREATLY OUT NUMBER THEM.!!!!!.

        AMERICAN PATRIOT…
        WE THE PEOPLE MUST ACT STEADFASTLY.!!!.
        KEEP THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT GOING FULL STEAM AHEAD.!!!.
        THE MORONIC DEMONOCRATS JUST INDITED ANYONE WHO CONSIDERS OPPOSITION TO THE HEALTH COLTROL LEGISLATION , RACIST , BEARTHERS, AIRIEN MILITIA MEN. HMM I WONDER HOW THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN THINKS OF BEING CLASSIFIED AS ONE OF THE ABOVE ..??. NEARLY 70% OF ALL AMERICANS ARE IN OPPOSITION TO ALL OF THIS MARXIST COMMUNIST TAKE OVER AMERICA CAMPAIGN LEGISLATION THAT IS SECRETLY WRITEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.. ITS THE PROCESS THAT REALLY HAS EVERY AMERICAN UP ON ARMS OVER OUR DEMOCRACY BEING CRUMBLED BEFORE OUR VARY EYES.!! I THINK THAT EVERY AMERICAN HAS THE RIGHT UNDER THE EXISTING CONSTITUTION TO STAND UP AGAINST THESE MARXIST COMMUNIST MORONS THAT ARE PURPOSELY RUNNING OUR GREAT COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND , SO THEY CAN EFFECTIVELY TRANSFORM IT INTO A COMMUNIST STATE. THAT IS THEIR GOAL AND BY PASSING GOV. HEALTH CONTROL BILL WILL BE THEIR FUNDATION TO TRANSFORM THE WEALTH TO THE WORLD AND FORM A COMMUNIST STATE HERE IN AMERICA AND THEN REIN AS THE MOST POWERFUL WORLD LEADER ..!!! I MEAN DICTATOR..!!!!. IT WILL BE EASY AFTER THE COLLAPSE TO ERADICATE THE CONSTITUTION TO FORM A COMMUNIST STATE.!!!!!!.
        ITS TIME FOR AMERICA TO STAND UP.!!! A NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS ON THE HORRIZON.!!!!!!!

        • Joe H.

          American Patriot and backer,
          We should thank people like dennislobber and abNorm!! They are the greatest recruitment tool for the TEA party we have!!!! They have decided two of my friends who were undecided on joining!!! Bless them!!!

          • michael

            The tea party movement reminds me of a cult. A bunch of weak minded idiots that just don’t understand that after 8 horrible years of bush america is finally moving in the right direction.

          • denniso

            Joe H…I hope your ‘friends’ can speak better than you.
            AND, Michael is right,of course. You guys had your fool and warmonger president for 8 freaking yrs..now shut up and get out of the way so we can fix the bloody mess that Bush/Cheny created… go play w/ your pretty guns in Iraq or Afghanistan.

          • DaveH

            He wasn’t my president Dumniso. The Liberals are thieves and it doesn’t matter that Bush was a controlling thief also. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Obama is going to fix things like Carter fixed them 30 years ago. The only difference being that we may not be able to reverse Obama’s and the Democratic Congressmen’s mistakes. If they succeed in taking away our freedom of speech (they are trying), then even you will be stuck with their ruination of our coutry when you finally (if ever) wake up to reality.

    • charlie

      The republicians had tried to submit alternative versions of a healthcare bill. But they were not allowed to in the house thanks to pelosi and reid. Quite frankly this is similar to Nazi Germany. One party had swept in power with social reforms like healthcare. There is no doubt that this is a partisan vote. The party in power is passing what they want disregarding any argument or voter concern at 1 AM in the morning like a burgular.

      Dennisso, you are very very wrong.

      • denniso

        Charlie…except for the allusion to nazi germany,your comment is civil. The repubs plan was to never go along w/ any reform. Their continued strategy is to delay it as much as possible. THEY forced a reading of an ammendment that took hours and pushed back the vote till 1:00am…the only way the vote could have been at a more civilized time was if the Dems let the repub strategy postpone the vote to the next day..in other words,let the repubs plan for stalling work.They would be fools if they did that. The repubs want NO healthcare reform..never did and never will. They sleep w/ the insurance industry.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Correction. The democrats cronies own these insurance companies that are going to run this “socialized medicine” thing. The republicans wont sleep with them. Either will the Libertarians. Your boys are diseased, moral-less, evil scumbags, who are in this to make a buck, and thats it. If you cant see that, you need to wake up. Its all about them making cash for each other. The mob is alive and well, represented by the democrat party.

        • DaveH

          They don’t want it because it isn’t reform. It is Unconstitutional, and it is theft. The Democrats want to force their way on hard-working doctors and patients. Big Government has been getting in the way of the free market for many decades. Big Government has messed up the health care market as well as many other markets, and you want to throw more good money after the bad? Big Government is the problem, not the solution.
          Try all you want to achieve the moral high-ground, but you are just an immoral thief who wants to control other peoples’ choices.

        • Average Joe

          denniso says:
          December 22, 2009 at 12:09 am
          Charlie…except for the allusion to nazi germany…………

          If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd…most likely….it is ….. a Turd….. However,if this garbage is inacted on the American people….soon you will get to taste it…then you will know for certain that it is….a TURD.

      • Curtis S

        Congratulations Charlie! You are the first person to break Godwin’s Law of Internet debate (established 1990). You automatically LOSE.

        • Average Joe

          Curtis S says:
          December 22, 2009 at 1:26 am,
          Maybe not:
          Godwin’s Law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one’s opponent) with Hitler or Nazis or their actions. The corollaries of the law would presumably not apply to discussions covering genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi Germany, or, more debatably, to discussion of other totalitarian regimes, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances is understandable. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself is open to interpretation, since this would not be a fallacious attack against a debate opponent.

          However, Godwin’s Law itself can be abused, as a distraction, diversion or even censorship, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent’s argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin’s Law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons

          In this case I find the comparrison appropriate…Open mouth….switch feet……..

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Say Curtis, you need to shup homebread. You pickin up what Im laying down holmes. You be like suckin down some 40′s on the porch cuz? Liking the government handouts you all. Yeah, your like that, bro.

    • American Citizen

      Where have you been or what or who do you listen to? The Republicans have their own bill which was not even given a hearing. It has everything in that the people have asked for, not the enslavement in the House and Senate bills.

    • DaveH

      Norm,
      That’s because you get your information from the Fringe Media. The Republicans have offered several ideas for the current health care mess. Most of them involve getting Government out of healthcare. Even the Republican cures don’t go far enough.
      Here are the only real solutions (I don’t expect you to comprehend them):
      http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

      • Joe H.

        Norm,
        Congressman Steven LaTourette (R,OH) co-sponsored a bill with Mary Captur (D,OH) that put all public officials on the same insurance that we would be on and it never got any time at all cause they weren’t having any of that!!!! We aren’t good enough to be on THEIR health plan!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im glad you like it Norm, since if your working youll be paying for it along with the rest of us. I dont like it, because its not helping, but hurting the majority of us. It will only benefit the bum that doesnt want to work for a living. But then again, Ive taken the time and read up on this thing, and have gotten myself educated to see what it really is. Democratic cronies owning large insurance companies to step in and run this thing, making billions and line the left wing liberal politicians pockets. Yeah, thats how it is. If is was so wonderful, why did they have to buy so many peoples votes to pass it? Why?

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      NORM DREAMER

      NORM SPELLED BACKWARDS IS SHORT FOR MORON.!!!!! WELL I WOULD SAY THATTHE ONLY PEOPLE INNEED FOR A MENTAL AVALUEATION WOULD BE THE MORONS WHO BELEIEVE THAT BIG GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO TAKE CARE FO THEM AND WRITE 2000 PAGE LEGISLATION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL HEALTH CARE REFORM BUT INSTEAD LAYS THE FOUNDATION OF A TRANSFORMATION OF A COMMUNIST STATE AND THE TAKE OVER OF AMERICA THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE.!!!!!. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION OF 1776 AND THE ORIGINAL BILL OF RIGHTS THAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD.!!!!!. AND ITS MORONS LIKE YOU WHO WANT TO BE A GOVERNMENT SLAVE AND RESIND THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A FANTACY LAND AND ARE NAIVE IN BELIEVING THAT BIG GOVERNMENT WILL CURE ALL WOOES BUY PASSING LAWS AND REGULATIONS , INFACT ITS THE VERY PROCESS THAT INSLAVES ITS PEOPLE FROM THE CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS ,RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES THAT OUR GREAT FORFATHERS HAVE GIVEN US IN THE GREATEST DECLARION IN THE WORLD ,”"THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION”".!!!!!!. ITS INTENTIONS WERE TO FREE ITS PEOPLES FROM THE VERY TERRINAY THAT THEY FACED DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.!!!!!. THATS WHAT WE FACE AGAIN TODAY SIMPLY BECAUSE WE THE PEOPLE ALLOWED GOVERNMENT TO GROW OUT OF CONTROL AND REGULATE AND TAX ITS PEOPLE TO THE POINT OF SURPRESSION. !!!! THE ONLY FIX FOR THE PEOPLE NOT HOLDING ITS GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE FOR GETTING OUT OF HAND IS A NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION.!!!!!. PRAY STEADFASTLY THAT IT COMES TO PARITION.!!!!

      THIS GOV. HEALTH CONTROL LEGISLATION DOES NOTHING BUT TAX , REGULATE AND CONTROL EVERY ASSPECT OF LIFE AND HOW WE LIVE IT TO THE POINT OF HUMAN SURPRESSION.!!!!. BETTER KNOWN AS COMMUNISM.!!!. FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THE FORREST THROUGH THE TREES , CAN GRASP THE WHOLE CONCEPT VERY EASILY.!!!! BUT FOR MORONS LIKE YOU little man child norm. YOU are the one who really is in need of mental attention.!!!!!!!. SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST LIKE THE EVEIL FAR LEFT RADICAL DEMONOCRATS THAT YOU SUPPORT SO MUCH.. ONCE AGAIN norm YOU WILL BE JUST FINE EATING FROM THE HANDS OF YOUR SLAVE MASTER “”BIG GOVERNMENT”". !!!
      ENJOY YOUR CRUMBS MORON.!!!!.

      AND THATS A MERRY CHRISTMAS WISH TO ALL YOU ALLAH BELIEVERS.!!!!!.

      AMERICAN PATRIOT….
      I CHOOSE TO TAKE AND LIVE BY THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS. AND SAY NO THANKS BIG GOVERNMENT.!!!!!!!. TAKE YOUR HEALTH CONTROL AND SHOVE IT BACK UP YOUR RECTUM.!!!!!!.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA THE FREE.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…
      STAND UP AMERICA WE ARE GOING TO TAKE BACK OUR GREAT AMERICA THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE.!!!!!!!!.. GOD BLESS THE TROOPS.!!!! THANK THEM FOR ALL THAT THEY DO TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY FREE SO WE CAN ALL LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.!!!!!!!!!!!!..

    • JC

      Before I pay for someone else’s health care I’d like to see them get off their fat welfare riding asses and do something about their own damned health.

      • denniso

        JC…you paid for Bush and Cheny’s health insurance..did you mind that?? Think,fools!!

        • DaveH

          There is nothing intelligent about what you advocate Dumniso. Any ignorant person can vote to control the choices of others. Any ignorant person can vote to steal money from others.
          It is not intelligent, Dumniso, it is immoral.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats ok, at least they worked for a living. I dont want to pay for guys like you that wont work, and sit around on the porch drinking 40′s all day, smoking j’s and whatever, and not even trying to get a job. Those people dont have insurance, because they are worthless and dont want it, unless I pay for it, and your [word removed] right I got a problem with that. Be a man, get a job, and pay your way and carry your own weight, and quit being a burden to society. That is the real problem.

    • Earlw

      Hey Norm! We are NOT a democracy!!! We are a constitutional republic!! Say the pledge of allegiance and see if the word democracy is in it…

      Democracy= Mob rule…..Republic =freedom from the tyranny of the majority…

  • David Sunkle

    THIS IS THE bIGGEST TRAVESTY OF ALL TIMES. DEMOCRATS ARE SO HUNGRY TO SATISFY OBAMA. THEY HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR THE AMERICA CITIZENS AND OR THEIR CONCERNS. THIS BILL IS SUCH A FEASCO. THIS IS NOT REFORM.IF WILL PAY OFF BIG BUDDIES AND INSURENCE COMPANYS. IF IT WAS SO GREAT WHY ARE THEY NOT ON BOARD.?? THERE IS SO MUCH PORK AND PAY PAY BACKS. WE START PAYING NOW FOR A PROGRAM THAT DOES NOT START UNTIL 2014,!! DA!! STILL ROBBING MEDICARE.? THEY HAVE LOST THEIR MINDS. DEFINATELY “EVERYONE” IN WASHINGTON “WILL” BE VOTED OUT. “EVERYONE”

    • DaveH

      David,
      I agree with you, but please don’t use all uppercase. It makes your comments difficult to read.

  • TOM in MI

    American Patriot,
    I share your anger and dislike for the Obama, Reid and Pelosi unholy trinity. Unfortunately I am not as asured about the day of reckoning in 2010 as you are. There is a pearl of wisdom attributed to Stalin (heard of that greatest freedom loving democrat in the history of mankind?): “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything”. In 2010 all of ACORN will be mobilized to empty the cemeteries and register the deceased to vote; a lot of precincts will end up more absentee ballots than voting age people and our DEAR LEADERS in the Senate and Congress will be voted in with 99.7% of the votes! I lived in the dream-world of a socialist paradise (not the USSR) when Stalin was the Supreme Lord and have no illusions whatever about where our present “leaders” want to take the country… However, in case of a victorious revolution the present enablers will be the first ones to be zapped: they are the dispensable useful idiots (Lenin’s term). I hope you are right and I am wrong!

    • American Patriot

      TOM
      You are corect in say that the communist organization called Acorn will definately be at large in the comming 2010 judgement day ellections all accross our great country to resorrect the dead and stuff the ballot box in the favor of the destructive demonocrat party.!!!! that is why it is vitally important that we all start now and be sure to educate everyone who is still lost in not knowing the trueth of what is taking place inside the secretly closed doors of washington dc. !!!! it is imparitive that we take the next ten months an educate every single person that we can urdge them to join the tea party movement and listen to talk radio and Fox news cable network , the only media left that is reporting the trueth as too what is really taking place in the political front.!!!. Yes you are correct and the supreme court justice just ruled it unconstitutional that Acorn can not reseive government funds , i mean tax payer funds again even after there criminal actions that were under investagation by the farse of a attorney general… the marxist communist peewee eric holder , little steadman who eats his lunch everyday out of obombda’s big black evil hands.!!!! this little man boy child has already stop his farse of a investigation , actually lefy acorn investigate themselves and report back their findings to him and restitution has been restored and there name is cleared to continue business as usual.!!! its a disgrace to the law biding american citizens.!!!!!. and on top of that they turned the real investigation on those brave american patriots who uncovered the trueth of whats really going on criminally with this marxist communist organization.!!!! its an outrage.!!! these brave citizens are now on trial for doing the right thing by uncovering the criminal actions that the criminal org. acorn is involved in.!!!!!!. we should all pool money to help with the defence funds to these true american patriots are going to need to fight back.!!! lts a mockery of social justice.!!!. its just one small example of whats to come from the far left radical dictator administration and the abuse of power against the law biding american citizens.!!!!. horendous stories like this one will become comon news in the transformation of our great free country of america.!!!!!!. we must wake up the dead before their identities are stolen and stuffed into the ballot box in favor of the marxist communist far radical left movement.!!!!!.

      AMERICAN PATRIOT…

    • denniso

      Tom…such absurd nonsense!! equating the Dems w/ Stalin..boy,what a historian you are. I think you should read a little more(real books) and spout a lot less.

      • Average Joe

        denniso says:
        Maybe you should take your own advice…Start with the Constitution, The Federalist Papers, The Bill of Rights. Again you rant…with no substance…you my friend are a self entiled know nothing. Just because you can’t afford insurance, you think that everyone else should pitch in and buy it for you? Pissoff…it ain’t happening. If I choose to help someone, that is called CHARITY…when I am forced to help someone…that is called COERSION! I wont be participating regardless of the consequences to me personally. When the Government gives you something…it means they stole it from someone else….because the government produces nothing…other than mountains of paperwork and extremely high debts…which they pass on to us to pay..I am tired of paying and I am tired of the national government involving itself with our personal lives on a daily basis (that is not their job, again read those documents to know what their job is). GET A GRIP!

        The deterioration of every government begins with the decay of the principles on which it was founded.
        Montesquieu (1689–1755)

        The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant.
        John Stuart Mill (1806–1873)

        A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.
        The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.
        Alexander Tytler (1747–1813)
        (On the fall of Athenian republic)

        • American Citizen

          Some say we are on our way to apathy and that’s not far from bondage.

          • Average Joe

            American Citizen,
            We are not on the road to apathy, we have been there for about 50 years. We are finally starting to wake up and question authority (which is a good thing). Since the late 1950′s we have been nothing more than consumers..we are no longer looked at as human beings,we are wallets waiting to be plucked.

        • Joe H.

          Average Joe,
          you have it wrong!! When they take it by force it is THEFT!!!!!

          • Average Joe

            Joe H.,
            I used that term (theft) in a earlier post, however,you are correct it is theft.

            co·er·cion [ kō úr'n ]

            noun

            Definition:

            1. forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will

            2. force used to compel somebody: force or threats used to make somebody do something against his or her will

            Theft can be performed by many means (B&E,shoplifting etc.). Coersion is still proper in this case as we are being “forced” to submit to something against our will with a threat of fines and incarceration. Just a little clarification on why I chose the word Coersion over Theft in this instance.

      • DaveH

        Denniso,
        It is you who spouts absurd Nonsense. Of course what else can a blindered Liberal thief do? No amount of legitimate logic could be brought forth to support your unsupported Hopes and Dreams and Theft. The only difference between your kind and Stalin is that you do not yet have absolute power.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Really denniso. Obama, Pelosi, Reid = Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini

      • JC

        You’re right for once…its not just the dems, its the whole damned system. We look just like Stalinist Russia…only with “shiny stuff”.
        And it gets worse everyday.

        • denniso

          Move to Iran or another totalitarian country and see how you like it and then tell me that we are like Stalin’s Russia. Nonsensical hyperbole!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The people you vote for dumbniso would fit in well with these countries you list. They act just like them.

          • DaveH

            Ok, now I’m confused. I thought you liked totalitarian Dumniso. You don’t have to open your eyes very far to see that the present administration will take us there if we let them. So, what are we supposed to do? Do we sit around and hum “Dum, Dee, Dum, Dum” until it is too late and the Obama gang has accomplished that tyranny?
            It is ignorant people like yourself that enable dictators to take hold.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Seriously Dave, denniso is one of those cats that wants to sit down with the Taliban, Al Quada and whoever else wants to come, have a glass of wine together, and tell them how nice we are, and ask them to play nice, and then everything will be so beautiful. Problem is, its not going to happen that way, and anyone that thinks that it is, needs to have their medula oblangata checked, because something isnt firing right inside of it.

  • Ron

    I think it is time to start breaking out the ammo ! We can’t vote our way out of this mess, and its for damn sure none of the Representatives or Senators, regardless of their party are going be able to stop this. I am 71 years of age, and I am willing to give up any time I have left fighting down Pennslyvania Avenue to stop the stupid Democrats from raping of our country. PEOPLE WE HAVE TO GO TO WASHINGTON AND “TAKE” OUR COUNTRY BACK.

    • mrpitchfork

      I agree… all the talk and protests aren’t doing anything.. the republicans are in on it too. They’re just giving us a dog and pony show for 2010.. I don’t believe any of them..

      • denniso

        So,once again,all you fools can resort to is threats of violence! You should know that sites like this are sometimes monitored and your spewing of violence is recorded for anyone to see.
        You all missed the fact that all the repubs voted against the bill and are still fighting(stupidly i might add)to block any reform at all. You are so pigheadedly blind that you can’t acknowledge your do nothing repubs are still on your wrong side. Amazing,but good for the smarter people,since you’re fracturing your own foolish party!!

        • Robin

          I have been to several TEA partys and have never seen any violence.
          The police officers in DC the 12th of September said they had never seen a better behaved people. There were Zero arrested and we left it cleaner then we found it. Its not conservatives who are violent it is the left. They’re the ones who act like a bunch of idiots, like in Minneapolis not so long ago, throwing urine and feces bombs. Yup real classy.

        • John

          Denso (words removed for offensive content)How do you think that this once great country came into being? Get your (words removed for offensive content)and pay attention to what is happening.
          Excuse my French, I usually do not speak this way but you, Norm & the Fool are (words removed).
          It really makes no sense too argue with you left-wing idiots or present you with facts because facts and libs are an oxymoron.
          Therefore, I thought I’d just blow off a little steam.

          When(words removed for offensive content) you no doubt will be the ones crying the loudest!

        • DaveH

          It’s a cinch Denniso, that this site isn’t monitored for ignorance. Witness your presence.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Go away harpy, go away.

        • JC

          Washington didn’t talk to the British about stopping their tyranny and terror over people…he shot them. Wake up!
          I’m not advocating violence…but like most Americans, I won’t back down either.

        • Joe H.

          dennislobber,
          Again you show how uninformed you are!!! The NSA has been monitoring sites like these and telephone conversations for years!!Long before the patriot act!!! Grow up,and grow a pair…….of lungs!!!!

          • denniso

            Like, I don’t know that??? I’m trying to keep some of your cohorts out of jail…you could thank me.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          If things keep going like they are, it wont be safe on the streets for people like you denniso, because us real Americans are going to take this baloney you left wing terrorists are handing out for much longer.

    • Donna

      Yes, it is time for We, the American people to take back our government. DC is corrupt. The current administration is only interested in Power and votes. I want my freedom and rights; and both are being destroyed by the Dems.

    • American Patriot

      I AGREE WITH YOU 100% BUT BEFORE THAT WE MUST GET OUT THERE AND BUILD THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AND IT MUST BE DONE BEFORE THE MARXIST COMMUNIST TRANSFORM OUR GREAT COUNTRY.!!! THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION TAKES PLACE ON JUDGEMENT DAY ELLECTION 2010 / 2012.!!!!!. ITS TIME WE STAND UP AND EDUCATE EVERYONE WE HUMANLY CAN.!!!!!. AND MAKE IT A HUGE ORGANIZATION AND ALSO A POLITICAL PLATFORM TO TAKE BACK OUR GREAT COUNTRY ONE POLITICAL OFFICE AT A TIME..!!!!!!!. SO LETS JOIN OUR EFFORTS TOGETHER AND AMASS OUR OWN POWER.!!! WE MUST ORGANIZE AND BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN POLITICAL GAME.!!!!!!. JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT TODAY.!!!! AND TALK TO EVERYONE YOU CAN AND TELL THEM TO JOIN THE REVOLUTION TO TAKE BACK OUR FREE COUNTRY.!!!!!!!!!!..

      http://www.americanthinker.com

      AMERICAN PATRIOT….

      • denniso

        Yawn,Yawn,Yawn!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Poof,Poof, Poof goes denniso.

    • gaetano

      Ron,You are right. When republicans talk about voteing them out,and thats the only way,it will never happen. This was a planned deal since 2006 when democrats took over congress.You just saw what happened to the vote in afganistan.There will never be a true vote again.I do believe a revolutionary war is coming.Its sad to say,but we that are against this must make the first move and get the first punch in. And for all those racist fools that keep bringing it up.You keep talking about slavery, well keep your eyes open and you will see,whites, blacks, yellows, reds, and the so called browns, all in chains.NOW, to the canadian with his love of canada and health care. Go to Buffalo, N.Y. and look at all the canadians in line every day trying to get in on our free clinics for help.I`m 66, and have cancer,but that doesn`t mean that I am ready to die, but one thing for sure , I can still pull a trigger.

  • Connie

    To Norm: If you “didn’t hear one consturctive idea from them (Republicans)” then you must be deaf. There were many plans circulating. And unless you have been given a privilage even the people expected to cast a vote on the healthcare bill haven’t been given—unless you have gotten YOUR hands on it to read it, how do you know that there are distortions or diversions? I hope you won’t come back to say that you trust what Obama has said about the bill. We all know about his promises and how he follows through.

    • denniso

      The repubs have fought reform forever and only came up w/ half baked ideas to try to sabotage the Dems plans. It was a farcical and cynical attempt that will fail and most intelligent people see through it.

      • American Citizen

        The Republican bill had everything in it the people asked for, the Dems’ bill doesn’t. All it has in it is enslavement. Get real.

        • Jana

          To see the Rep. Alternative go to : birds.bellaonline.com/articles/art64356

          These are great ideas without having to make a lot of changes we don’t want they fix what’s wrong. Sure we have a long way to go, but this Dem.bill is too costly for the American consumer.

      • DaveH

        Half-baked ideas? So then Denniso, you can explain to us how Socialism is going to work in this country when it has failed everywhere else? Talk about ignorant. Democrats are losing their backing quickly with the American people. In that respect Obama has been good for this country.
        Only the most ignorant people can expect more productivity out of enslaved citizens. And without productivity we all lose.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Dems dont have plans. They have schemes, because everything they do is underhanded with a hidden agenda. But you cant see that, because you dont want to. Harpy.

      • Joe H.

        dennislobber,
        Putting them on the same type of plan as us is half baked???? Why, are they so much better than us??? Do they deserve more service than any normal citizen?? Who do they SERVE??? Why would they deserve any more service than a crippled vet? especially if they haven’t served to protect us? Why should they get preferential service over say a wounded honest cop???? Or a horribly burned fireman??? At least they were honestly serving US as the politicians were supposed to!!!

        • denniso

          Uh, cops and firemen work for the evil gov’t and have good insurance.

          • Average Joe

            denniso,

            Let me see here…..police and firemen work for local, county and state municipalities…not the Federal Governmnet.If they are unhappy with their health care insuance, they can 1) change insurance companies, 2) they move can somewhere that has what they are looking for. However, when the Federal Government “mandates” for the entire nation….moving makes no difference, nor can they shop around for another policy that meets their reqirments. That my freind removes free choice.With a national policy you get what they give you…if you don’t like it…tuff beans…..don’t like the price…too bad…don’t like the co-pays etc…again…too bad for you, deal with it.
            Please show me where the Federal Government has ever run anything that stayed within the budget that they set.I mean really approx. 13 Trillion in Federal debt and growing by the minute,BTW that is 13 trillion that we don’t have…remember? the Federal Reserve just printed [out of thin air , I might add] 2 trillion to bail out all of those “too big to fail” institutions and then handed the bill to the we the tax payers….nice work if you can get it. Those 2B2F instittutions should never have been allowed to get that big in the first place, but once they did, they should have gone through normal channels (bankruptcy, being sold off in pieces to other companies that did not gamble with their clients money, you know…responsible companies). For years now the Federal government has allowed the insurance companies to basically write the the regulations that they themselves abide by and now for some reason you think that they have not been involved in writing this particular piece of garbage legislation? You can bet you life (which you are) that the insurance companies are going to make a killing (literally and figuratively) on this sweetheart deal with the government….when it is mandatory, you can charge whatever you want because everyone must have it. If they decide to raise the price 100% every year, you have to have it…you have to pay it…take a look at auto insurance prices since it has been made mandatory by the states…absolutely out of control, buy a new car nowadays and your insurance payments are almost as high as your car payment! Why?…because it is mandatory.
            Denniso,you are the type of person that has a puzzle in front of you and all you see is the pieces…you don’t see the whole pictue…just the pieces.How can you put the puzzle together if you can’t see the whole picture? OK…I have wasted enough of my time (a valuable commodity that can never be replaced) trying to wake you up…the rest is on you.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Uh oh denniso, looks like youve been exposed not knowing what your talking about, yet again.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I am a working man, and I like the insurance program I have now. I gladly pay my premiums, and I dont have to worry about anything. I suggest if anyone has a problem, that they get off their fat lazy democrat pacifist appeasing butts, and get a job, maybe two if necessary, they wont have to worry either. Oh, but wait. Here comes Obama the savior for the losers. No need to work, stay on the porch, heres a higher unemployment check, and you can collect it for 6 months more. Heres some more food stamps to eat with. Hey, here is some free health insurance. No worry, all the working stiffs will pay for it for you. Dont even worry about getting a job. Just sit there and do nothing and let the workers take care of you. After all, thats why Barack is here, to take care of you that arent adult and mature enough to take care of yourselves. What a bunch of wimpy losers.

  • Jim S

    The democrates have crossed the line by passing this regislation against the peoples wishes. I believe this is a modern day call to arms. We must now do whatever is necessary, by whatever means needed to take our republic back.

    We can start by voting every democrate that sold out the American public out of office. After that we need to get this usless Socialist President out of office.

    I for one will answer a call to Arms if need be and we need to start organizing a grass roots militia that may be called to sieze control of our govermnment back. We must start organizing NOW for whatever will be needed to defeat this communist regime…..

    • denniso

      Go to Iraq if you want to play w/ your guns,big fella…in the meantime,people are watching you. You’d better be careful who you threaten. You gun nuts are nothing but simple cowards w/ little ability to do anything but spout violence.

      • therepublicoftexas

        denniso: You are the worst kind of ignorant jackass. Your posts are what drive us real Americans into a frenzy. You don’t quote any facts and are definitely drinking the koolaid of this radical, fascist administration we have in office. where does it say in our constitution or bill of rights that healthcare is a right guaranteed by this government? Where??? Nowhere!!! Healthcare is not a God-given right. Our healthcare system is the best in the world. Yes, it does need some reform but not an entire revamping. This is nothing but a power grab by the government to control another aspect of our lives. The only jobs it will create are government jobs for the 117 agencies this healthcare bill will create. 117 government agencies!!!!! And if this healthcare bill is so wonderful, then why is the government not signed on for it also??? Because WE pay for their cadillac healthcare for the rest of their lives, idiot. Why would they sign on for rationed healthcare? How do you think they’re going to provide coverage for 30 million Americans while the doctors and hospitals go out of business because of the lousy payment system by the government. Have you not ever looked at other government-run programs? Postal Serve, Amtrak, Medicare, Social Security, DMV – all over budget and wrought with fraud. Wake up, you idiot and look around you at what the goverment already controls. And you want them to control our healthcare. Lord have mercy on us. And please forgive the ignoramouses who drink the koolaid since they’re unable to see clearly.

        • American Citizen

          The government program I worked under in the school system also went broke. I’m not sure if it’s even still in existence as I’m retired. All I know is, the schools hired less people who worked in the program every year and fewer children were able to be helped. Would you say rationed help?

        • DaveH

          Yes, and if the Government is lawless, how can they expect the citizens to be otherwise? The Democrats in their greed for power and other peoples’ money are plunging this country into chaos. I fully expect many states to start seceding from this lawless Union if the Democrats continue to ignore the Constitution.
          Write your state representatives and let them know that you favor leaving the Union if the Federal Government continues to ignore the laws of the land.

        • Joe H.

          therepublicoftexas,
          I don’t believe the time is here to resort to armed insurrection yet!!! I believe that now that we have woke up the citizenry we need to try the vote again to see if it works. I don’t believe O-man would resort to martial law to stay in office as the repubs that are in office would raise too much of a stink and the armed forces wouldn’t stand for it. They wouldn’t stand for Nato forces on American soil either!!! We need to exhaust ALL legal means!!!

          • Average Joe

            Joe H.,

            Why do you think so many of our troops are scattered all over the globe?….because when those foreign troops do arrive to quell the American uprising…the only ones to protect us…is ourselves. Our troops will be thousands of miles away and unable to render assistance to the American people. Those foreign troops will have no qualms at all about shooting us on sight if the order is given. We are not scattered throughout the world “protecting our interests”…we scattered to make the transition easier for the powers that be to take over our nation with the least amount of resistance.Yes many of the people have guns and yes most can hit their targets, but the average gun owner is not well trained in the art of war and as such, we will be pretty easy pickings for a military takeover of the nation.
            I don’t believe that they want to ban guns at all. I believe that they try to anger gun owners so that they will buy more guns each time they talk about gun control, this will help them to justify the use of deadly force upon the American people when they decide it is time to do the deed.
            Just an observation.

          • denniso

            Tex and others..isn’t the military that you worship also a gov’t program?? It’s not a private endeavor is it?? Does the military function well?? Does the military exist only because it’s a gov’t entity or not??

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            denniso, (Words removed for offensive content). The military exists because there are actually young men and women in this country who VOLUNTEER, to serve to keep us all save, and to keep evil at bay, and to allow jack-asses like you to spew your anti-American venom all over because of freedom we all have only because of their efforts. Now shut up, take a couple more valiums, and get back into your rubber room. How long must I put up with you.

      • John

        Denso I know some cops that are gun-nuts and that have literally had to kill in order to protect cowards like yourself!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Harpy.

      • Jana

        denniso, the one that truly spouts violence is our so called President. He is starting his own private militia. Now that is scary.

        • denniso

          Simply wrong..check the facts before you spout what amounts to lies.

          • DaveH

            Dumniso,
            Check the facts before you lie about Jana’s truth:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y

          • Rod James

            denniso, The military is goverment program but in that program are thousands and thousands of private industry guns for hire. There are so many private contract soldiers that the gov’t accounting office has lost tract of how many and total funds they are getting.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Seriously denniso, its been proven here over and over, you cant handle the truth.

        • Average Joe

          Jana,
          Actually, GW Bush started this “Private Militia”, or have you forgotten about Blackwater in Iraq or Blackwater in New Orleans after Katrina? I personally do not believe that the government should be hiring private contractors to fight our wars…unless it is under Marque and Reprisals (in which case it is to do one certain job and then exit employment…not as a full time force).These private contractors are made up of mostly foreign nationals and former mercenaries and should never set foot on American Soil…period.
          Although Bush was the first to make it openly known that the Federal government has a private Army, I have no doubts that the Feds have been putting this into play for many years….after all they need someone to protect their lawless actions from the American people.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And if your democrat leaders continue to insist on doing their illegal activities, and oppressing the working man, one of these days these guys you so attack, are going to come after losers with big mouths like you dumbniso, then I ask, ” what you gonna do when they come for you?”

  • bigbadbob1P

    LETS GET HIS NAME RIGHT…iTS OBUMMER… HARRY REID IS JERK AND PELOSI HAS BEEN EATING TO MUCH MURCURY LACED CHICKEN OF THE SEA TUNA.
    IT HAS ATTACKED HER BRAIN, WHAT LITTLE SHE HAS.010 WILL TELL IF WE ARE JERKS AS WELL. IF WE DON’T VOTE THESE LOSERS OUT THEN WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET. LET BOYCOT CHICKEN OF THE SEA FOR A START. HIT THE B*()h
    where it hurts. in her slimey pocketbook.

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      YES BIG BAD BOB YOU ARE SO CORECT AND IT WILL BE POETIC JUSTICE ON JUDGEMENT DAY ELLECTION WHEN WE THE PEOPLE RAM PINK SLIPS DOWN THE THROATS OF EVERY DEMONOCRAT WHO HAS SOLD US OUT,”"ALL OF THEM IN MY COUNT”" AND TO SEE DIRTY DINGY HARRY AND POLOSNATZI THE (word removed) WHO GIVES CHRISTMAS PRESENTS WITH OUR MONEY WHO THE HELL DO THESE MORON THINK THEY ARE??.!!!!!!. THEY ARE ALL GETTING PINK SLIPS SLAMED DOWN THEIR FOUL LIAR MOUTHS THAT THEY SPOUL THEIR IDIOTIC RHETORIC FROM. THE COMMUNIST MARXIST MORONS ARE GOING TO BE SHAMFULLY CAST OUT OF POWER.!!!!!!. JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AND JOIN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE REVOLTING AND WE ARE GOING TO STEAM ROLL THE COMMUNIST FROM OFFICE ONE MORON AT A TIME.!!! I URDGE YOU TO VOTE EVERYONE OF THEM OUT OF OFFICE INCLUDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR NOT DOING ANYTHING TO STOP THIS COMMUNIST TAKE OVER OF OUR GREAT FREE COUNTRY.!!!!! THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NEVER STAND FOR MARXIST COMMUNIST RULE.!!!!!. GIVE US OUT LIFE FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES OR DEATH.!!!!!! ITS GOD’S WILL TO MANKIND.!!!!!!!. AND BE THANKFUL FOR THE MORON POLITICIANS WHO HAVE RUINED OUR HOLIDAY SEASONS “THANKSGIVING AND NOW CHRISTMAS”.!!!!!!! CALL THEM NOW AND DEMAND THEY VOTE NO NO NO ON HEALTH CONTROL TAKE OVER AMERICA LEGISLATION.!!!!!!! AND THAT THEY WILL BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE ON JUDGEMENT DAY ELLECTION 2010 / 2012.!!!!!!!.. help save america join the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT , JOIN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.!!!. THE NEWEST POLL HAS THE TEA PARTY AT 41% OF AMERICANS ALREADY SUPPORT THE TEA PARTY POLITICAL PLATFORM AND WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE A PRESIDENTUAL CANIDATE “YET”.. BUT MANY GRASS ROOTS CANIDATES IN HOUSE AND SENATE RACES. STAY TUNED TO GLEEN BECK TALK RADIO AND FOX NETWORK PROGRAM AT 5 PM. EST STANDARD TIME.!!!. GLENN IS CONCENTRATING HIS SHOW ON TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY STARTING ON JAN. 1ST 2010. STAY TUNED ON WHAT WE WILL BE DOING ON A GRASS ROOTS LEVEL IN TAKING BACK OUR FREE AMERICA.!!!!!!!!..

      MERYY CHRISTMAS.!!!

      AMERICAN PATRIOT

      • Joe H.

        bigbadbob1P,
        Pelousy got that mercury from all the silicone they used in her face lifts!!!! She has one more and she’s going to have a navel where her nose belongs!!!

        • Average Joe

          And wearing a goatee on her cleft chin…..

          • denniso

            Can you ‘guys’ be any more infantile and asinine??

          • DaveH

            Yes we could Dumniso. We could be like Dumniso.

        • Average Joe

          Denniso,
          Sometimes a little humor can go a long way….lighten up….your tighty whitey’s are a little too tight…..

        • Palin12

          The Hildebeast needs a face lift too. Maybe she could get a recommendation for pelosi’s plastic surgeon. Or Joe Biden’s.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            A facelift, a tummy tuck, a new personality, a few morals, some guts, more intelligence, some humility and a lot less pride. Then maybe we could make something of her.

          • Claire

            Hildebeast!!!! That is hilarious!! I would never have thought this one up and I will never forget it!!! Palin12—you are funny!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Stinking Pelosi. People like that should not be allowed to reproduce.

  • Art

    Go MR. Reid. We cannot afford you and your crooked ideas. Remember, we have to pay for all of the deals that you are making in the dead of night in order to BUY the VOTES needed to Shove this through before the Christmas break. What is the rush? Are you afraid that when you go home you won’t have control over the others and you will have to make additional new deals to make it work. A good Bill does not need to be bought off at voting time, it will happen naturally.

    Mr. Reid, you are not acting in responsible and in the best wishes of the vast majority of the Tax payers of America. Mr. Reid, have you completely lost your mind? Are you even making your own decisions? Sounds like you are more like a puppet being controlled from the White House. If so, you are no longer a real man. You are just a WIMP.

    We cannot afford your Health care plan. You are not a business man with current experience. You have been living in a make believe world far too long to be of any good to the working man of America. Please stop making decisions that are going to cause us to lose all of our own money due to your STUPID Mistakes.

    Again, go home Mr. Reid. We cannot afford you either. I am sure that there are things in your home state that you could do on YOUR OWN where you can stay out of the lime light and out of the way of others. You are welcome to encourage as many of the other crooked Congressmen and Senators to retire and leave Washington with you. I am sure that you folks don’t decide to retire, we Americans and the voters will have to clean house at voting time and replace every single one of you with good and honest people. People that will have to undo all that you have done to us.

    Respectfully Submitted
    A Warn Out Tax Payer
    I am an Active Voter

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    America KISS YOUR LIBERTY GOODBYE! And, as Germany with Hitler, China with Mao (Obama’s favorite communist, We voted for this “fundlemental” change! America, you have not seen anything yet! Remember, Mao Tse Tung murdered over 12,000,000 chinese after he got power!This is President Obama’s idol! The Bible calls this vote: “Jacob’s trouble!”

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      VICTOR
      YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT, AFTER GOV HEALTH CONTROL IS PASSED THE DEMONOCRATS WILL PUT THE DEATH CHAMBERS IN FULL ACTION STARTING WITH AMERICAN CITIZENS , THE ELDERLY FIRST , GRANDMA AND GRANPA AND THEN THE BABY BOOMERS AND YOU WILL NO LONGER RECIEVE GOV HEALTH CARE YOU WILL ALL BE DENIED AND RATIONING WILL BE COMMON PLACE TO WORKING CLASS SOCIETY.!!!!. THE DEMONOCRATS WANT YOU TO DIE AND DIE FAST BECAUSE THAT WILL SAVE ON GOV. SPENDING SO THEY CAN GIVE IT TO THE FAR LEFT ELEITIST AND THE RICH COMMUNIST THAT RUN THE COUNTRY.!!!! OBOMBDA THE AMERICAN NATION IS NOTHING MORE THAN A COMMUNIST FAR LEFT RADICAL LIAR.!!!!!! AND DIRTY HARRY AND POLOSNATZI BOTH EAT THE BREAKFAST , LUNCH AND DINNER FRON THE MARXIST COMMUNIST DICTATORS HANDS. THEY ARE BOTH PUPPETS AND THERE STRINGS ARE BEING PULLED EVERYDAY.!!!!! THIS MORON IS SPENDING AMERICA INTO INTO A COLLAPS ON PURPOSE AND THATS WHEN THE MARXIST COMMUNIST WILL TRANSFORM AMERICA INTO THE COMMUNIST STATE , THATS BEEN THE GOAL ALL ALONG.!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA AND JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT , THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS ABOUT TO BEGIN.!!!!!!!! HISTORY IS GOING TO BE MADE IN A BIG WAY. THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS ARE GOING TO TAKE BACK OUR FREE COUNTRY.!!!!!!!

      ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO MANDATE THAT EVERY AMERICAN BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.!!!!!. THIS POLICY IS WORSE THAN THE COMMUNIST COUNTRIES SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE GOV HEALTH INSURANCE TO THEIR PEOPLE AT NO COST. THIS MARXIST COMMUNIST ADMINISTRATION IS PURPOSELY MANDATING THAT EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD BUY THIS DISASTER OF AN EXCUSE OF HEALTH CONTROL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.!!!!!!!!! OR BE PUT IN JAIL.!!! YOUR CHOICE.. GOD HELP THOSE WHO CAN NOT AFFORD THIS NONSENCE .!!!! WE HAVE THE BEST HEATH CARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. BUT THE DEMONOCRATS ARE GOING TO DESTROY IT AND OUR FREE CAPITALIST ECONOMY.!!!!!!!!!. THEY ARE PURPOSELY TAKING OVER OUR FREE ECONOMY , COLLAPS IT AND SAY WELL WE HAD TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY TO MAINTAIN ITS SOLVENTRY. BULL CRAP ITS A TRANSFORMATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION TO A COMMUNIST STATE.!!!!! YOU HAVE NOT SEE ANYTHING OF THE HORRORS AND PAIN THAT AWAITS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE MUST TAKE ACTION AND TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY NOW.!!!!!!!!!.. THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS ON THE HORRIZON.!!!! HISTORY IS GOING TO REPEAT ITSELF.. WITH BRAND NEW FORFATHERS THAT WILL LIBERATE OUR FREE COUNTRY AGAIN.!!!!!!!. WAKE UP AND JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AND HELP MAKE HISTORY FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.!!!!!!!..

      AMERICAN PATRIOT…

  • Jim S

    Obviouly NORM one of the Democrates that has blinders on with regards to what was just passed. He will realize all too soon what a travesty this bill is when his insurance premiums are hiked beyond what he cal afford.

    It is a shame the people like NORM benefit from all of the things Americans take for granted yet are so blind to what this communist regime is doing to our Country. Shame on you NORM………………

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      JIM
      YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT NORM IS A FAR LEFT RADICAL LIBERAL , WHO WAS BRAINWASHED AT BIRTH AND THERE NEVER WILL BE HOPE FOR HIM.!! HE WHO EATS FROM THE DICTATORS HANDS WILL FOREVER BE THE DICTATORS SLAVE.!! AND NORM DESERVES NOTHING MORE THAN THE SLAVERY THAT HE BELIEVES IN .!!!!!!! GOD HELP US ALL IF THIS MORON PUT CHILDREN INTO THE WORLD SIMPLY BECAUSE OUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE OFFSPRING OF THIS BLIND DUMB AND STUPID IDIOTIC FAR LEFT LIBERAL MORON WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE BRAIN POWER TO SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES.!!!!!!!.. WAKE UP NORM THE NEXT AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS AT YOUR BLIND FORTRESS DOOR STEP.!!!!!!!

      AMERICAN PATRIOY….

  • Rudy

    Norm,

    Are you living on this planet???? The bill was written behind closed doors, blocking out any Republican ideas by the current communist administration. Were you one of those “SMART” people that voted for DumbBama? I’ll bet you were. God help us all.

    I hope once the Republicans and Independent’s take back the House and Senate these insane laws can be repealed.

    I’m 67 year old independent voter, worked my entire life, paid taxes and still pay taxes and paid into Medicare and Social Security. I’ll be darned if I want to pay my hard earned money into some other state because of these backdoor “on their knees” deals in order to pass this crap bill.

    • Jay From Colo

      I must agree with Rudy, I to am in my mid sixties and have paid taxes for the past 55+ years, and voted in
      every election. I hope for the time being that all the
      ignorant libs such as DennisO, & Norm got the change they wanted, but I don’t believe this is over yet.
      They don’t evidently know that this is unconstitusional, and that there are some very fine folks out her that are realy pissed, & would love to just kick your stupid ass. But that wouldn’t help so I guess our only hope is to get the scum bag socialists out of office next election, and hope for the best.
      If that doesn’t work then maybe they will see what the 2nd ammendment is all about. 1st hand.

      • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

        JAY
        YES YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THE FIRST STEP IN NEW THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS TO TAKE BACK OUR GREAT FREE COUNTRY IN NOV. 2010 AND IF THAT STEP IS VOIDED THEN IT PROGRESSES FROM THERE. AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL BE THE NEW PROGRESSIVES..!!!!!!!!.. JOIN THE TEA PARTY AND JOIN IN ON MAKING HISTORY TO TAKE BACK OUR FREE AMERICA AND RESTORE OUR ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION.!!!!!!!

        AMERICAN PATRIOT…

      • John

        Jay,

        It’s not over yet. When it is people like Norm & Denso will be crying the loudest!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Norm, denniso, fool patrol, eyeswideopen, and the rest of the uneducated troll brigade.

  • TeresaE

    This isn’t about health (of course, neither is our medical system – it is about milking the most $$ out of your pockets before your inevitible death), this is about CONTROL.

    Control of our bodies, our children, our thoughts, our food (all processed, GMO or poisoned in the name of “safety”), our spendable money and our very lives.

    The blinding ability of my fellow countrymen to be lazy and hold onto the lie that the government writes laws to make the common man’s life better, is astonishing.

    History, and EVERY government office in the country have shown us how effective the government is at managing anything. We KNOW how this will turn out.

    We are FUBAR friends. Good ole Norm will be the first one at our doorsteps crying about how bad it is soon enough.

    Sadly, so will you and I.

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      TEREASA
      YOU ARE DEAD ON CORRECT.. LITTLE MAN CHILD NORM WILL BE THE FIRST TO CRY FOUL WHEN REALITY HITS HIM SMACK BETWEEN HIS BLIND EYES.!!!!!. UNFORTUNEATLY NORM DOES NOT HAVE THE SENCE OF FORSTE TO SEE THIS HORRIBLE TRAVESTY COMING. BUT HE IS ALSO REMORSFULL TO ACCEPT THE REALITY OF IT SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS A LIVE OR DIE FAR LEFT RADICAL LIBERAL MORON.!!!!!!! THE GOV. POST HEALTH CONTROL WILL ALSO CONTROL ALL BUSINESS IN AMERICA WHATS LEFY OF THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SECTOR THAT IS.!!!!. THEY WILL HAVE THE POWER TO SHUT IT ALL DOWN DEAMING ANY REASON THEY WISH.!!!!. GOD HELP US IF WE CAN NOT CRIPPLE THE DEMONOCRATS IN THE 2010 JUDGEMENT DAY ELLECTION.!!! GOD HELP US ALL . PRAY FOR A RISE IN THE NATION TO CAST OUT ALL EXISTANT POLOTICIANS.!!!!!!!. THE NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS AT HAND.!!!!!!!
      WE MUST STOP THE CORRUPT MARXIST COMMUNIST TAKE OVER OF AMERICA.!!!!!!! JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AND HELP TAKE BACK OUR GREAT FREE NATION.!!!!!!!

      AMERICAN PATRIOT….

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Norms the guy, that when he see’s his taxes are raised to pay for insurance for all the unemployed crack heads that this reform benefits, then he will blame Bush, because thats what they do. Thats all they know.

    • American Citizen

      If you think the health care system isn’t about health, then you must be in good health or you wouldn’t say that. I have been fighting cancer now for over 12 years and have nothing but concerned doctors the whole time. It’s only due to them that I am still here and in relatively good health for my 75 years. If you think doctors are in it for the money, you don’t know how long it takes before they actually earn a fairly good living. It takes years, lots of them. I could tell you why, but that would be another long page here.

      • American Citizen

        Sorry, Theresa, I misread your post. Of course this bill is not about health, anything but. It’s about taking control of the whole system and the insurance industry. Eventually, everybody will have to depend on the government and the little care they will get if any at all. Anyone who is the least bit farseeing can see the results of these bills.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Its all about a power grab and money. The dems have insurance company buddies, that are going to run this thing, make billions, and then line their pockets as a thank you, while they pluder the citizens and the countries revenue to pay for all this, while they get richer and richer. Thats all its about. Its not about helping needy people get insurance. They have no clue to who that even is, and whats more, they dont care to know. They want money, theyve fixed it so they are going to get money, and they have a license to steal. The mob runs the democrats, and now they won this round. Hopefully, people have woke up, and will educated themselves next election as to who these people are they are voting for, no matter what side of the aisle you vote on. Its time to get educated, and not just vote for whomever has the most TV commercials, or has a “catch phrase” like change-change-change. Unbelievable that this is all the guy brought to the table, and it got him elected. Shame on the American public for allowing themselves to be bamboozled like this.

          • DaveH

            The first and most important thing we need to do is remove our children from the propaganda schools. That is where the Liberals have been able to work their magic.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dave you are so right. They allready control our so called “schools of higher learning” with all these liberal ex hippie professors, who are anti military, anti God, anti conservative, anti capitalist, and they teach our kids about to enter the business arena that these good things are all bad. They are running our high schools, and now are screwing these kids heads up in the elementary arena, grooming them for future left wing liberal ideals. Its sad to see the destruction of this country I love so much, by these left wing liberals who do not care about America one iota. I wish I knew where we went off the track and, and how to get us back on it. I really do. Id give my life to get it right for the benefit of others. You wont get that from a liberal, I guarantee it.

    • JC

      Absolutely Right Teresa.

  • Harold

    First of all, why isn’t there anymore discussion about Obama’s citizenship? We, as Americans, need to force Congress or whomever needs to be challenged, to force this undocumented, illegal immigrant, phony farce, anti-American, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Marxist, racist, Muslim, out of office. He is the most arrogant person to ever have been in any position(s), such as he has held, most probably illegally. When are we, as Americans, going to get the “NADS” to march on Washington, DC, and demand that they make Obama prove his legality of citizenship. We have to stop being afraid of the reprisals of his THUGGERY, and man-up, and call him out, with whatever it takes. I will not be forced to pay for any of his policies, because I think that he is not eligible to have held any of the offices that he has held or is presently holding. I will not pay for his Crap and Tax, any amnesty bills, his Obamacare, or any other of his bankrupting policies of this country. I have to give him credit-he waltzes into this country, undocumented, nobody has the balls to challenge him, and he goes about his business, as though he is a native born citizen. Every dog has its day, and sooner or later, this mutt will have to pay the piper.

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      What about the Constitution? Obama is committing unconstitutional acts everyday! Where he was born no longer even matters! Do you really think that they (The Communist) can allow “another” election without knowing that they could be impeached for treason! “We the people” voted for “Jacob’s trouble!”

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      HAROLD
      YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT THIS ISSUE OF CITIZENSHIP SHOULD BE CHALLEGED AND HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED BECAUSE THE RADICAL FAR LEFT LIAR DICTATOR WAS BORN IN INDONIESIA.!!!!!. IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THINKS THIS FASCIST , MARXIST COMMUNIST MORON WAS BORN IN OUR GREAT FREE COUNTRY THEY WOULD HAVE GLADLY SHOWN HIS AMERICAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE..!!! BUT WE ALL KNOW THE TRUETH ON THIS SUBJECT AND THE REST OF THE STORY.!!!!!. IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO HAVE ELLECTED A FORIEGN MAN INTO OFFICE.!!!!!! BUT IT WILL SOON NOT MATTER BECAUSE THE DESTRPY AMERICA CAMPAIGN WILL SOON ERADICATE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE ORIGINAL BILL OF RIGHTS..!!!!!!! AMERICA HAS NOOOOOOO IDEA WHAT IT HAS ELLECTED.!!!!!!!. I WILL SUM IT UP IN A FEW WORDS.!!!!! MARXIST COMMUNIST DICTATOR , IN PURSUIT OF A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT WITH HIS HEINESS IN CONTROL. BARBARIC INSANE OBOMBDA THE NEW WORLD LEADER OF ALL MAN KIND.!!!!!!!!. YOU HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN ANYTHING YET.!!!!!. THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS WILL BE THE FIRST AMENDMENT THEY ERADICATE AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH WILL BE NEXT.!!!! AND THEN THE BALL GAME WILL BE OVER . WITH OR WITHOUT A REVOLUTION TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY.!!!!!!!!!. GOD HELP US ALL.!!!!!!!

      PRAY STEADFASTLY TO GOD TO SPARE OUR GENERATIONS TO COME.!!!!!!!!

      AMERICAN PATRIOT….

      • LindyMaeUSA

        Dear American Patriot Brother,

        From the depths of your heart, you surely must know: it’s WAY TOO LATE to “pray steadfastly” and ask our great God to do ANYTHING to help America now that we’re in REAL trouble!

        If you were God, would you quickly respond to a nation that stood by for 46 years simply watching, listening, saying nothing and DOING NOTHING while your holy name was constantly insulted, ridiculed, cursed, shamed, accused, attacked, undefended, disbelieved and deliberately omitted from their “busy lives” by countless people like Madlyn-Murray O’Hare who did more to damage the very heart and foundation of our beloved Country than any demon-possessed human I’ve ever heard of!

        Since it’s impossible for anyone to “know the mind of God,” I’m aware you can’t answer my question; I can’t answer it either because I have absolutely no clue how far or how much God’s GRACE extends to humanity! I DO know I don’t have the guts to approach His Throne to ask for help NOW THAT WE URGENTLY NEED IT; I/We should have been asking Him to “help us” a long time ago!

        • Joe H.

          LindyMaeUSA,
          I can’t say how far it extends, but I can give you an example of its general extent! Look at the city of sodom when God said if Lott could find just ONE believer amongst all of them he would spare the ENTIRE city!!!! I’m sure we have many believers in this country!!!! I believe in God very surely!!! It’s not a question of proof, it’s a question of faith!!!!

        • Jana

          LindyMae, it is never too late to pray and ask God to heal our land.

      • gaetano

        GOD helps those who helps themselves,SO LETS GET STARTED.All this talk on the tube doesn`t solve anything.And lets not forget some of these names on this blog that are with OBAMA so that they will be the first that we turn done when they need help.

  • http://n/a Mark

    The only action these idiot dems will understand is a military coup. Or perhaps someone is funded enough to start taking them down, one at a time.

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      YES IT WOULD BE AN AWFUL SHAME IF ONE OF THE FAR LEFT LIBERAL DEM.SENATORS DOES NOT SHOW UP FOR THE VOTE ON HEALTH CONTROL.!!!!.THAT WOULD SAVE THE NATION FOR A LITTLE WHILE UNTIL THEY BOUGHT , PROSTITUTED AND FORCED TORTURE ON ANOTHER PATSY TO TAKE THE NONEY AND GIVE A YEA VOTE.!!!!. WE MUST STOP THE CORRUPTION…!!!!!. THAT THE MARXIST COMMUNIST ADMIISTRATION IS IMPOSING ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.!!!!!!!.. AGAINST THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF ALL AMERICANS.!!!!!! GOD HELP US ALL.!!!!!!!.

  • http://personallibertydigest jim s

    I am suprised at how soon everyone forgets how the republican party ran ruf-shod over the country as little as 8 years ago when they had control of both houses, if they wanted a bill passed they just passed it without even any debate, if anyone in thier own party objected Tom Delay would threaten them with political ruin if they did not toe the line.The only news that you hear on regular TV is from FOX news that is controlled by the republican fat cats.The American public are a bunch of sheep following the commercials put on by the insurance industry that is making BILLIONS on the backs of everyone.Not a single elected Republican has offered any other propsal, they only put out scare tactics and outright lies to scare the sheep.You can tell how desperate they are for leaders when they promote someone like Sarah Palin,what a joke, can you imagine her as president, she has never had an intelligent conversation, only talking points to sell her book. I do agree that our politicans are not there to serve us but to serve the MAN with the deepest pockets.People like Rush Limbaugh spread hate and advocate our president failing so as to promote his career, If he told his following to eat crap there would be a run on it. Wake up America, look at who is fighting the hardest to stop this bill, Insurance Companys.

    • WithHoldTaxes

      Jim, you all keep talking smack about Palin, would you like to list Obams’s qualifications for Commander in Chief? What grade would you give him now? How come when over half of Americans say NO to this bill, do the dems pass it? Who are they governing for? Not the majority of the American people! The repubs are crooked, with out a doubt, and they need to be ousted also and we need to start from scratch, but to slam Palin or Rush or Fox is just ignorant. FOX is the only station that is exposing the truth about this administration and whats happening on the hill. FOX, TRY IT, YOU’LL LIKE IT!!

    • American Citizen

      The reason you say they spread hate is because you don’t like what they are saying. The truth hurts, doesn’t it? You won’t hear it on the lamestream media. They hand in glove with this administration.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You are so out of touch with reality. Sarah Palin is the most intelligent politician to show up on the scene in a long time. I mean, come one man, give credit where credit is do, and put away your left wing agenda. She actually represented the people of her state, she balanced the budget, and gave the citizens money back. Ever heard of any politician doing that? I dont think so. That was the republicans mistake, running McCain/Palin, instead of Palin/McCain. If they had their heads on straight and would have done this, we surely wouldnt be in the mess we are in today. Like George Zimmer of the Men’s Warehouse, I guarantee it.

  • FuzzyWuzzy

    There will be no sanity and no real change to the Congress until the entrenched Democrats in “safe” districts are targeted and removed from office. Otherwise, people like; Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, John Conyers, John Murtha, Henry Waxman, Barbara Boxer, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Maxine Waters, Alcee Hastings, Greg Meeks, et al. will continue to run this country. A close look at ANY ONE of the people mentioned will show that they are Corrupt with a capital C, and stupid beyond belief. They must be targeted and removed before we can get this country back-period!

    • American Citizen

      There are some Republicans also who need to be voted out, among them Olympia Snowe.

      • Joe H.

        The slogan for 2010 should be FLIP THE HOUSE!!!! NO INCUMBENTS!!!! If that doesn’t send a good message nothing will!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thank you Joe H. for the truth. I am doing just that. However, I know the dems wont, but thats on them.

        • Average Joe

          Joe H. says:
          December 21, 2009 at 7:31 pm,

          I have always preferred Richard Pryor’s slogan in “Brewster’s Millions”…”None of the Above”…..

      • Robin

        Thats for sure!!!!

  • FuzzyWuzzy

    The Slogan for next year;

    NO DEMS IN 2010 !

    • Jana

      FW we really do need a balance. We need both parties to have a good balance. If it gets one sided either way, it goes to their heads and it gets out of whack. That is why we do need term limits and to change out all of them, good bad and ugly.

  • Art

    Response to Art:

    I am not too tired out to do all that I can to defend my country. I have sworn to protect my country from enemy’s from outside and INSIDE. Too many people over look as to what they agreed to when they raised their right hand. We all want things to be as peaceful as possible. That is why we are in the mess that we are in right now.

    Wake up America before it is too late.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      If you notice also Art, Peace is only obtained through force, always has been, always will be. Even when Jesus comes again, the Peace that will come, will be through some awesome force like the world has never seen. Peace has never been obtained through pacifism and appeasement, like the democrats want to play with these terrorists nations. Force brings peace, always has, always will.

  • http://Don'thaveone Sally

    This is so unreal as it really happening in the land of the free? Yes indeed. We were all hoping it was a bad dream and we would wake up and be fine. No way!!! Food for thought. I would like to know one only one mind you, country that ever had a black leader that didn’t rob from the people after taking office and line their pockets (with our money of course since we support the whole world) Even the Copenhagen conference, guess who they wanted to pay for everything. What this healthcare bill if passed will do, is that you will see a mass exodus of people with money taking their wealth with them leaving only the poor suckers in the US who have to work and have all of their assets in housing which they can’t sell. In Mexico for example, you can have a dual citizenship, live like a King on 2000 USD per month, have all the things like Walmart, Hight speed internet, cable TV etc., medical insurance $350 per YEAR including all drugs and the DR/s make housecalls. This is just one example there are many such countries. Don’t want to do it but what can I say

    • http://www.americanthinker.com American Patriot

      SALLY
      YES YOU ARE RIGHT ON, AFTER THE COMMUNIST TAKE OVER AND DESTROY OUR ECONOMY . THE RICH CAN AND WILL GO TO GERMANY AND OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THEIR HEALTH CARE AND THE POOR WILL SUFFER AN EARLY DEATH HERE IN THE USACR. COMMUNIST REPUBLIC. IT WILL BE RENAMED “”THE UNITED STATE OF AMERICA COMUNIST REPUBLIC”".!!!!. WHAT AN OUTRAGE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO BARE WITH THE BEHIND DOORS DEALS AND PROSTITUTION WITH TAX PAYER MONEY ITS TIME TO BOYCOT THIS DISASTER OF A BIG GOVERNMENT.!!!! ITS ABOUT TIME FOR SOMEONE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO GROW A SET OF BALLS AND STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.!!! IF THEY HAVE AN OUNCE OF BRAIN POWER THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING IN THERE POWER AND IN AND OUTSIDE THE PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY TO STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA.!!!!!. IF THEY THINK THAT THE 70% IN OPPOSITION OF ANY OF THIS LEGISLATION THEY ARE SOOO WRONG TO THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SUPPORT THEM IN RELLECTION THEY ARE SO WRONG . ITS GOING TO BE A CLEAN HOUSE ELLECTION , IN WITH THE NEW AND OUT WITH THE OLD AND IF WE THE PEOPLE FIND THAT THE NEW OFFICERS ARE NOT DELIVERING WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT BY MAJORITY THEN WE WILL ELLECT NEW TO REPLACE THEM IN A CORRECT SOCIETY IT WE THE PEOPLE AND GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE.!!!!!!. WE DO NOT WORK FOR GOVERNMENT , GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR WE THE PEOPLE.!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA.!!!! JOIN THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT AND DO YOUR PART IN TAKING BACK OUR FREE COUNTRY.!!!!!!!.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA.!!! THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE!!!!!.
      http://www.teaparty.com

      AMERICAN PATRIOT…

    • LindyMaeUSA

      Hi Sally,

      In response to “living somewhere else” I was so angry, disgusted and disillusioned three years ago watching how MUCH MORE “daring and audacious” the government had become about screwing the Middle Class into extinction, I “packed my bags” and headed for what I THOUGHT would be “a new life” in Australia but . . . that didn’t happen!

      Imagine my shock and horror when I applied for “Residency” and their immigration department told me: “Pensioners like yourself CANNOT RETIRE IN AUSTRALIA without posting a $250,000. “Medical Insurance Bond” with the government so that if and when you need major medical treatment (e.g. hip replacement, Cancer therapy, etc.) we’ll simply take those costs from the bond you posted when you came here instead of our government paying for your treatments!”

      Stunned and almost disbelieving at what I’d just been told, I said: “Oh my God! I wish MY Country had passed the same law 50 years ago!” The officer smiled as she leaned toward me and whispered: “WE SAW YOUR MISTAKE sweetie, and decided: we ain’t doin’ that!”

      Needless-to-say, I was sickened, disappointed and dejected that “my HOPES of living peacefully somewhere else” had been turned away; I had no choice but to return to the US.

      I checked with England immigration in 2008, and that country requires a “guaranteed yearly income” of £37,000. (roughly $61,050.) from Pensioners/Retirees in order to live there, even if you have a relative (son/daughter) you’d live with!

      If you’re a “normal” Senior with less than $50,000. a year income like I am, finding another country to live in WON’T be easy, if you find one at all!

      • DaveH

        Lindy,
        Have you checked into Chile? It looks to me like a great place to live, but maybe they have their own problems.

  • WithHoldTaxes

    This is nuts. And for some reason they believe they can get away with it, and from what I see, they can. They would be shutdown if they didn’t have our money coming in. What if all Americans changed their tax exemptions so we all pay the least amount per check, then when tax time comes around for 2010, no one pays the difference between what they paid during the year( a reduced amount due to changing withholdings)and what their taxes say they owe? An ALL American boycott of the government. Do you think that might get their attention?! As far as bearing arms, storming DC, and taking our government back, that movement would have to be lawyered up big time and the movement would have to be huge, millions, not thousands, not sure thats the safest way.

    • DaveH

      WithHold,
      It wouldn’t work. They would just borrow or print more money. The best we can hope for is to wake up our fellow citizens and throw the bums out of office. That includes almost all of the Democrats and many of the Republicans.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Again, I couldnt agree more. I am voting against every Republican incumbant this election, to personally send my message that Im not happy with their job performance. I also realize that over 90 percent of the democrats wont do this, because they are so blind they think their guys are doing good, taxing this nation into oblivion, and giving the failures of the world free everything, and punishing the sucessful for being hard working and sucessful. But Im going to do my part, and send my message. If they dont want to, thats on them. I still think my new people can take their old, and soon we will see. I will vote Libertarian for a good candidate also, and I, unlike the uneducated left, actually read up on candidates, and take the time to seen where they have been, and what they have done, so make an educated judgement on whether they are worthy of my vote. I wont be swayed by 10,000 commercials on TV saying change-change-change to blindly get my vote. Thats what losers do.

  • Art

    Speaking of Obama’s Birth Place. A friend was traveling all over Kenya recently and every hut has a picture of their home country hero.
    You guessed it

    Obama

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The Kenyan is the king, isnt he? Birth certificate? We dont need no stinking birth certificate. College credentials? We dont need no stinking college credentials. Experience? We dont need no stinking experience. So says the democrats.

  • Bill

    It is about time for citizen referendum for term limits. Also as a public service PUBLISH ALL VOTING RECORDS ON THE INTERNET, NEWSPAPERS.
    BILLBOARDS AT VOTING TIME IN SPRING FOR PRIMARIES AND IN SEPT. AND NOV.

    • Joe H.

      Bill,
      I don’t believe that law enforced term limits are the way to go!!! Where is the incentive to do a good job? If they know they are out after two terms as a senator, why should they do a good job? We have a couple of guys that are at least trying to do a good job, why throw them out??? If we get a man in that is very conservative in his dealings then why take the chance of getting in someone that isn’t???

      • Average Joe

        Joe H.,

        I think all polititians should be limited to two terms…One in office and the second…in JAIL!

  • http://robinsam@alaweb.com Robey Harrison

    There is much said about “Sharing the wealth” Think about it, we have been sharing the wealth since the 60s, when you can work all you want to and still it is almost impossible to afford kids, but right on the other hand you gan set on your rear and have bastard kids and they take the money from the worker and pay the way for the bastard kids, now be honest, is that not sharing the wealth? now all those many bastards are of voting age, GOD HELP US they have never had to “root hog or die poor”Anybody that has one eye and half sense could see this coming! Just hope that 2 years from now they have not taken your home you worked for for 30 and given it to someone “less fortunate”.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And the thing is, 90 plus percent of those bastards grow up to be democrats because no one is there to teach them right from wrong or to have any morals. This is, the current democratic party.

      • DaveH

        Please guys, don’t call the misfortunate kids names. They can’t help who their parents are.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But Dave, many of them dont know who their daddy is, that is why they are bastards. Just calling a spade a spade. Thats how it is.

      • Robin

        Beberoni, so true so true

  • ImpeachObama

    Jim S and Norm,
    Here’s some name-calling for you – you are obviously in love with the lying damn democrats. They are all corrupt, power-hungry, money-hungry whores! Nelson acts like he has some concern for unborn babies until Obama agrees to pay for the state’s medicaid FOREVER! He sold out like the whore he really is. Where the hell does that scumbag obama think he has the right to send my tax dollars to Nebraska to pay for their state medicaid program. I think the guy that said it’s time to quit paying taxes is RIGHT! Then, we are going to have to shoot the SOB’s that come to take the tax money. We are back to where we were just before the war with England for independence. We are going to have to defeat the scum in Washington with force. DAMN every liberal/socialist/communist SOB in Washington, no matter what their party affiliation; and that scumbag obama should be hanged for treason!
    Is that enough name-calling and hate for you, liberal? (no, you nor obama deserve your name capitalized)

    • WithHoldTaxes

      Impeach, I am with you with this, PLUS, you can add in the Republicans also. They are all just as corrupt and out of touch with the American people. Crooks, nothing but crooks. They would of hosed us over if they were in office with their liberal Commander in Chief also. We need to run everyone out and start from scratch.

      • DaveH
        • c lee

          Dave H. Iam with you all the way. Vote out every one of the crimenals in office and replace them with libetearins. If we dont do it this time around I dont think we will get a second chance.

          • Tom

            I’ve been saying for years to vote the incumbent out. That my friends should be the name of the third political party of this country. Do you know how it is that these Shitheads keep getting reelected? The boundary maps of the districts that each of them represent look like a preschool child with a crayon drew the borders. Not one of these maps are a square or rectangle. If you were to be asked to identify the shape of these districts you couldn’t, because there is no name for the shape these pols. have had their districts redrawn into for their favor to where it is that all the CHUMPS that they know will vote for them are in said boundaries. How do we get the lawmakers to redraw the districts where the incumbent is not guaranteed to win every election. All of these boundaries should be square or rectangle. Go ahead and take a look at your Senators and Congressmen/women voting boundaries, you won’t believe the shape it’s draw like.

          • DaveH

            I agree Tom. That Gerrymandering crap should be illegal. I can’t believe the voters don’t raise a fuss about that.

        • gaetano

          Sorry, but voting won`t do it. The congress has broken more constitutional laws then all crimminals in prison.The elections are fraud.All the money being paid for bribe of votes should be given to the people to pay for our own health bills. All republican congress should go to the united nations and declare war,then walk out of congress and get the ball rolling .

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I saw the Libertarians stance on religion, which made it sound like it is neutral on it, which means to me its ok, that they wouldnt interfere in someones right to worship Jesus Christ, which it seems the current government is starting to do. My question is, if you know the answer which I didnt see in there anywhere, is would the Libertarians take away the tax free status of the church? If so , that would be a terrible thing for the church, and downright destructive. I believe that most of the money that comes into a church comes from its participants, and the government should not be able to tax that money, at all. However, I also believe that waiters and waitresses make tips on volutary giving of individuals, and the government should have no right to tax that money either, but they do. But before I would vote this way, I would need to know if they were going to attack the church in this way, and if they would, I couldnt support them. I will be researching this and looking for answers, but I thought Id ask you, because you promote them quite often, and you come across to me as quite an intelligent person, so let me know if your up on this aspect of the Libertarians. Thanks Dave.

          • DaveH

            Beberoni,
            The Libertarians want to eliminate the Income Tax. That would solve your dilemma.

            From the Libertarian Party Platform:
            “2.4 Government Finance and Spending

            All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.”

            See for yourself:
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

            I can’t speak for the Party, but I personally believe there should only be a tax on individuals. That would also solve your problem with the churches.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Your a good man Dave, thanks. You see people, Dave and I are much different, but are mature enough to respect each other. I am a Christian, and Dave is an atheist. Im not going to try to force my beliefs of Jesus down Dave’s throat, and Dave is not going to try to attack me because I believe. We both have this thing, called being an American, loving this country we live in, and it hurts us both to see what the liberals are trying to do to it, and watching the politicians on both sides do damning things to it. We the people have the power, not the politicians. Vote out the incumbants on both sides of the aisle, and send the message please. Put aside left and right,liberal and conservative, and put America first, and vote out the incumbants and send the message to them, that they better start serving us the people. We are in charge of who sits in those offices. Its up to us, not them. Thank you Dave, for being a good American.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And the [word removed] will probably be dumb enough to march around in red coats for us to shoot at, because they never learn from mistakes of the past, they just keep repeating them.

  • Warrior

    This chapter in our history is absolutely shameful. If you want to effect real change the only hope is for a third party. Anyone running as a Dem/Rep cannot restore sanity to this out of control mess. As freshman senator/congress creatures they will fall right in line regardless of campaign platform or hype. Third party candidates are the only hope. They will be ostracized and ineffective as far as generating meaningful legislation until they can gain numbers in both houses. So it will take 2-3 election terms to make significant impact.

    • DaveH

      Warrior,
      If enough people wake up to the reality and failure of Big Government, we could have a sea-change. It has happened before, it can happen again.

  • Raggs

    You people are missing something very big here.

    Votes do not mean anything!!!!! If your trusting the government to count your vote, you probably will trust them with your lives.
    You have no choice who get’s elected or who fails…
    All votes are counted with a trash can / paper shredder.

    The government uses millions of tax dollars to buy thier way to a seat. It’s all about the money so unless you have billions your “vote” is useless.

    • Average Joe

      Raggs, Absolutely correct! For anyone who still thinks their vote counts, you might try watching the HBO award winning documentary “Hacking Demacracy”. Even after proving how easy it is to hack into the system and alter votes here in Florida after the 2000 debacle…we in Florida are still using computer voting…which is still un-verifiable.The only way to make sure your vote is counted is to have all voting on paper ballots,place in a box in full public veiw at all times and counted 3 times (in full public view), once by a Dem. once by a Repub. and once by a Independent to asure that there is no fraud in the vote count. Nothing else will ever insure that our vote actually counts.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Dude, democrats cant count. Everytime they give us a figure on the cost of something, its always another 40 to 50 percent higher than what they said, so I dont think they can count.

        • Average Joe

          Beberoni says:
          December 22, 2009 at 1:44 pm,
          lol…that’s the reason to have two other counts as well..BTW, I have been reading your posts here and you’ve come a long way since the first time we mixed words….congrats….keep up the good work!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Marty

    I don’t understand why they cannot be stopped. There has GOT to be provisions in our Constitution
    to stop renegade lawmakers when they consistently go against the will of the people….isn’t there?
    Is it because the few that perhaps have the integrity to start the process feel they will have no one to
    back them up once the heat begins to build? Look at Judge Roy Moore when he took his stand in Ala.
    I’m sure he felt that he would have a huge backing from his fellow Christian compatriots, but in the
    end, he was left to face the consequences of his decision all alone. And what about Joe Wilson, of
    “You Lie” fame? The man cared enough that he was so outraged by the lies he was supposed to sit
    quietly by and listen to that for one moment he completely forgot himself and acted as any American
    would….was he supported by his fellow Republicans? He was not…in a cowardly display of “supposed
    respect”, they few that spoke out denounced him instead of applauding him. I would vote for Joe
    Wilson for President, or for Judge Roy Moore. They put themselves on the line for their beliefs and
    for their personal integrity ….we need lots more of those. Who will stand up and lay their
    careers on the line…who will stand up and be counted? The Reps owe the American people a debt
    they now should pay…if it had not been for their greed and screw-ups, the Democrats would not have
    had the opportunity to get in like they have. SOMEBODY needs to stop talking and DO something……
    and they need to do it now!

  • Robert

    This is so great! Finally we have health reform! All the cry babies are yelling foul! Well let me set the record straight for all you conservative right wingers. First of all, the constitution is being trashed. Second the government is taking over all our lives. Third, all Americans are now subserviant to Washington politicians, their cronies and all the special interests. Any white person making money will be taxed to the hilt and their money distributed to all the lazy good for nothings in this country including illegal aliens. Forget about the 2010 elections, they will be suspended unless you promise in writing to vote for all the democractic incumbents or new democracts running against Republican incumbents. Anyone over 65 is expected to voluntarily die within two years. This is the cost savings expected to save Social Security and Medicare. If you have a gun and are not in law enforcement or the military, turn them over right now or you’ll be arrested and your children will be put in foster care. Anyone who speaks against the President will be arrested and sentenced to 10 years hard labor without a trial. Once a year, all Americans will go on a pilgrimage to San Franscisco and kiss Nancy Pelosi’s ring and wash her feet. The Catholic religion will now be considered a terroristic organization and all assets will be confiscated immediateley. All people of the Jewish faith are to reort to internment camps set us accross the US for re-education and forfeiture of any and all assets. Protestants and Bapists have one year to clean up their act or will join the Jewish people in the internment camps. Those of the Islamic faith are hereby exempt from all taxes and US laws and are free to do anythng they please. Now for you right wing conservatives and mis-informed republicans, what is your problem? I though so, your heads are stuck in the sand and you’re all racists!

    • denniso

      I assume it’s satire?? if so, pretty good.

      • John

        Denso,
        That’s the problem with you ignorant people. You assume too much and don’t do any thinking for yourselves.

    • American Citizen

      Some of it is very close to the truth. Wake up.

    • John

      Robert,

      Thanks for keeping the record straight and demonstrating how you left-wingers are truly idiots.

      All that unfounded diatribe is demonstrative of your level of intelligence.

      Thanks again and Merry Christmas.

      • JC

        Maybe the new health care will treat nasty mental disorders, like Liberalism and other cancerous philosophies.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Cool. Maybe denniso can get that frontal labotomy that we all know he needs.

    • c lee

      If this is true they might as well come after my guns right now.But be forewarned you will pry my guns from my cold dead hands.

  • Marty

    I can’t believe all you conservative idiots think that President Obama is at fault for the mess George Bush got us into……..what did Bush think when petrol went to $4.00 + a gal…….Bush is a coward…..he dodged the Vietnam war but had the balls to send our troops to Iraq which we had no business doing in the first place spending Billions$$$$$$$$$……..why do you think the Democrats got control in the last elections……duh……cause your party screw up the economy and put the nation with needed drastic measures…. so you all should respect the office and the person President Obama…..He is the President…..or is it cause he’s black…..which I find funny that no one ever mentions he’s half white…..so turn on your TV’s and tune into that other idiot Glenn Beck……can’t believe you people are that stupid…..

    I see what conservative means….everyone under us be conservative so everything comes to us….. it’s called greed….your all a bunch of Bernie Madoff’s….

    • Robert

      Hey Marty, take gas!

      • Joe H.

        hey Marty,
        O-man never served in anything including the boyscouts and he is sending our MEN and WOMEN into combat also!!! Or was I not supposed to mention that???? SHOW THE COLLEGE RECORDS!!!!!!

        • Tom

          So Marty how long have you been a complete idiot. You will come around one day and that day will be very soon if the Dems. get this health care bill made into law. You need to OPEN YOUR EYES pal because there is so much damage being done to this country BY Obama that you would think that GWB was still in office. You see, if you were to OPEN YOUR EYES that all of these politicians are cut from the same cloth. This health care bill has a 36% favorable rating yet these Democrats believe that the American taxpayer doesn’t know what’s good for them, but these politicians do know what we need so much more. The arrogance of these AS_Holes.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Community organizer. Thats it. Thats all he’s got. No birth certificate, no college records. Its all a fix. If it wasnt, they would be quick to produce this stuff, but they cant.

    • Raggs

      Your a complete MORON!!!!

      Yet another brainwashed liberal communist..

      • DZ

        AMEN. When are the blue dogs going to understand that Bush has not been president in almost a year. Quit trying to blame him for the crap that Obama is doing as president.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats all theyve got is blame. They pointed the finger to get elected, never mentioned a plan or anything, and a year later they are still placing blame, instead of being responsible for the destructive things they are doing. I think they feel they can do whatever they, bring destruction after destruction, and that America will believe them when they point the finger at someone else. Sooner or later, it will catch up to them and bite them in the butt, and I think that time is right about now.

    • Dickie

      You know Marty,I know talking to an Idiot,Is useless,But You must have started watching the State own media,Yesterday.Or you are not smart enough to know,The Clintons,The real coward that ran to Europe,To hide from NAM,It was clinton that forced the banks,To give loans,To lossers like you,That wants something for nothing,With no jobs,Or intention of paying the FREE money BACK AT ALL!,IF the evil demoncrafts,Would have let GWB,STOPED this corrupt decussting oranization,Alone with the other SEWER Freedie MAE,We would NOT BE IN THIS MESS BILL CLINTON PUT US IN,You RACEIST _____ It does NOT MATTER IF THIS UNAMERICAN IS HALF GREEN, HE IS OUT OF HIS LEAGE,NOT ONLY HE’S realy STUUUUPIT!The Demon’s wanted him in office,Because reid,polsie,And the rest of the Demon’s,Could use him as a puppet easyer than hilary,And you idiots,Can’t figure that out,Just wait you mice will see,The demoncrafts,Have NEVER NEVER Done anything for the people of America,Get the real FACTS,Before you open your uninformed mouth.One day soon even you losers,Will realize GLEN BECK {IS}A REAL AMERICAN PATROIT!PLEASE PLEASE!,Don’t fall for the LIES,Just set in front of a mirrow,Look at yourself with an open mind,Please don’t be arrogant,This is not only your life,But our CHILDREN’S LIFE,WHAT-WHAT HAVE THESE PEOPLE REALY DONE FOR ME,AND ALL POOR AMERICANS,PARTY DOES NOT MATTER,IT IS THE PEOPLE,NOT THE PARTY,If you think hideing behind closed doors,Voteing at night,Not telling us,OR the other polititons,What they are voteing on,If you believe this is right,You are as descussing as they are.

      • Joe H.

        Dickie,
        You forget one real important thing about slick willie Clintoon!!! Not only did he run to a foreign country to avoid the war, he protested against this country on foreign soil!!! That’s the next best thing to treason!!!

        • Jana

          Joe, and Obama never has served in the military, and he has also gone to foreign countries to bad mouth this country. Shoot, he has done that here in this country.
          We who knew better just sat back and did nothing while the leftists/socialists took over.

    • John

      Get over the Bush hater crap and it’s Bush’s fault BS.
      We’re not arguing fault here we’re arguing the direction that this Marxist, anti-Christ President is taking us.

      This is America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, not some third world socialist country.

      • JC

        Right On John!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      He kept us safe, cleaned up Clintons mess, although we are still paying for Billy’s insurrections with giving China technology, with selling our manufacturing via NAFTA, for cutting our intelligence and military in half. But all in all, Bush did a great job. I miss that guy. This no-doer in there now, hasnt a clue what to do.

    • c lee

      And your a fool. No one has said anthing about his color untill you mentioned it. What you and everyone else had better understand is that we are in the fight of our lives and we better wise up. I dont own any slaves no one in my family ownes any slaves no one I know or have known ownes any slaves. The black man has earned his place in society now we all better wise up and come together as one and fight the evil that is taking over our country.I dont feel that Mr. Obama is qualified to be our president not because hes black but because hes not legally qualified per the American born issue as well as his inexspearience. So get off the racial bullshit and act like a man, lets move forward to meet this agression head on before were broke fisically as well as financialy,unarmed by our so called govt. and turned ito musrooms (fed shit and kept in the dark) that is their plan you know.

  • ImpeachObama

    Marty,
    obama isn’t black; he’s RED- a stinking communist. I contributed more money to Alan Keyes’ campaign than I’ve ever sent to anyone else, and he’s black as smut, a REAL black man. So don’t give me that democrat racist bull-shit!

    • DZ

      He needs impeaching. He is a Communist through and through along with the rest of his radial buddies.

      • denniso

        So impeachobama is angry,wow! Watch out,he might hurt himself. So Steele is a ‘real black man’ and Obama isn’t?? Steele is also an under educated demagogue.

        • DZ

          Who cares who is black or white. It is not about race – though blue dogs want to use that to their advantage. It is about his policies.

        • DaveH

          Denniso,
          Everybody who reads your comments knows that you are an ignorant zealot who needs to disparage others since his facts are either non-existant or unsupported.

          • Earlw

            MORE LIKE DENNIS THE MENACE!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jana

            Dave, but he does one more thing that is really very good.
            He shows us the ignorance that is running our country called Democrats. He shows us that no matter how much truth and common sense is presented that it cannot be absorbed by certain people. So he really is doing us a favor. He is showing us the ignorance we are up against.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            but denniso does one thing real well, he exposed the stupidity of those on the left, and he does it well.

          • denniso

            DaveH..I disparage people here who are threatening violence and lying about what Obama is not…communist,socialist,marxist,Kenyan,etc.
            I have as yet to see you chastise your buddies who spout hate and violence toward Obama and Dems. Why is that? Are you trying to ride the hate and fearmongering to recruit people to your failed cause?

    • American Citizen

      I also like Alan Keyes and would have voted for him. It’s his take on things that matter, not his skin color. Obama is a traitor to this country and its Constitution. We are in grave danger of losing it.

      • JC

        Keyes is a real American. I’d vote for him in a minute. OH! And I’m a white conservative.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I am a white conservative, and Id vote for Alan Keyes in a heartbeat also. I dont see in colors. I see in content of character. Isnt that what Martin Luther King wanted? Shame on the 90 percent of the black population that voted for this man, because of the color of his skin, instead of the content of his character. You are a disgrace to your race, if you voted on skin color, no matter what color you are. If your white and voted for McCain because he was white, shame on you.

          • c lee

            Well said my friend

  • Marty

    Robert…..the truth will set you free….

    • Robert

      And you think the BS comming out of Washington is the Truth? Get a grip young man. Let me know how it feels in a few months when all this BS is enacted and you start having to foot the bill for the freeloaders in this country. I’ll send you the big economy size jar of vaseline so it doesn’t hurt so much.

    • John

      Marty,

      “The truth will set you free”?

      How weak is that? Is that the best that you people have?

      How about something a little more controversial backed up with some facts?

      I know that’s asking a lot from a mindless left-winger.

      But we base our arguments on facts not hearsay or baseless accusations.

      • Curtis S

        Yeah right, then you start quoting the republican hacks on Faux News. Glenn Beck the voice of sanity! hahaha

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Glenn Beck is a genius. Admit the truth, and it will set you free. You pathetic little man.

          • Robin

            Glenn Beck is doing the media’s job. The mainstream media is too busy sucking up to Obama and the dems. They are worthless.

          • Curtis S

            Glenn Beck has been voted Media Matters “Misinformer of the Year”, you all must be so very proud of your conservative hack. Everything Beck talks about ends up with the obligatory 1+1 = Hitler (or Stalin). He constantly starts with a loose fact then makes some great leap to how things “might” be and it’s always bad. He peddles fear to the simple and then inserts fake footage to make events seem bigger than they really were. Gloom and doom, no intelligent discussion, fear mongering and don’t forget to visit Beck’s sponsor Goldline, because like Jon Stewart said… “Glenn Beck is paid by Goldline to drum up interest in gold, which increases value during times of fear; an emotion reinforced nightly on Fox by Glenn Beck.”
            Glenn Beck is an opportunist and an actor, playing a role and getting very rich doing it, but it’s morally and intellectualy bankrupt. Glenn Beck (and Faux News in general) will say anything, back it up with false video footage for ratings and $$$. Unfortunately sheeple believe his spin without really checking what’s in the kool-aid.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Wow. Did you all read that? Curtis S cant handle the truth. The dude is a racist as they get, and he cant handle the truth about Obama, because it interferes with his perception of the dudes skin being the same color as his. Come on Curtis, man up allready. Put away the OJ, Johnny Cochran it dont fit aquit baloney, and man up. The guy is in way over his head, hasnt a clue what to do, and is just doing all he can to take care of the poor crack dealers on the street with no daddy so they can have insurance. Thats what its all about brother, dont fool yourself. And you know, that this doesnt make it right. He has hurt this country, escalated job loss, expanded government, and now is in the process of ruining the best health care system in the world, instead of improving it. Your full of baloney Curtis, you are an ignorant man. That doesnt mean stupid in case you dont know, ignorant means just that, that you dont know.

        • DaveH

          Glenn Beck is not a Republican. You might know that if you ever really did watch his program. He ragged on Bush also, but there is just so much more to rag on Obama about.
          Glenn Beck is an American Hero. So is John Stossel whose program airs now on Fox Business News channel. And Judge Napolitano. They are sticking their necks out and telling the truths that are so unpopular with the leftist controllers and thieves.

          • c lee

            Judge Napolitono is a true Hero. If he says it you can take it to the bank.

          • michael

            Glen Beck is an Idiot. He does’nt support his claims and when pushed states it does not matter if he has supporting material. As for fox news They are a perfect example of yellow journalism. they fake news video and give statistic that go over 100 per cent. there is no way can that be statistically valid. in the college courses I teach I do not even allow fox as a credible source anymore.

          • DaveH

            Michael,
            Much of what Beck states is supported with videos of the accused actually making the statements. I guess Beck just dubbed in the words? Sure.
            You teach college? Yet you trash a man with no supporting evidence? Is this the way you teach? Poor students.

          • DaveH

            And, By the way folks, here is a guy who says he teaches college classes. Yet he admittedly censors which sources his students can use.
            Wow. Talk about a propagandist. This is what we’re up against. Flaming Liberals bending our children’s minds with their one-sided teachings.

          • Jana

            Michael, I would not allow any of my children to be in any of your classes.
            You are what is wrong with our country now, teaching our youth how to be socialists.
            You wrote it down for all to see your twisted ways.

          • Jana

            Michael,
            Plus you are prejudiced against free speach. That even makes you dangerous. Yet you would force half truths, biased to the left only type news media on your students. You are not a teacher. A teacher teaches a person to think for themselves. You are only forcing your opinions on them and forcing them to use the main steam media. They omit anything that they don’t want to come out. They have sold out to Socialism which is next to Communism.
            They hide real news and squelch any true reporting that they used to do and replaced it with touchy feely feel good stuff. The only problem is this type of “news” doesn’t inform the people of anything, it hides the real news.It allows the people to be lead around by the nose and down the road to eventual Communism, which is what you want.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Michael proves our point on our discussion earlier Dave, about the liberals running our schools. The dude wont let his students hear Glenn Beck or Fox news, denying them the right to hear the other side, which is 95 percent of the truth, but you know he is letting them watch ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN and MSNBC with all their rotten left wing liberal anti American views. I bet he lets them listen to Keith Olberman. What a loser that guy is. He sucked on ESPN, and he is even worse now.

        • dog

          Glen beck is right beacuse the white house will not prove him wrong. UNTIL he is proven wrong, he is right. He does his homework and research and uses facts, recordings from speeches and history to prove his findings.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            What up dog? I had to say that, sorry. Ive confronted many many liberals about Glenn Beck, who are so afraid of him they constantly attack him. So I ask them to tell me one time, just one little time, when he didnt tell the truth about something, and Ill be darned, not one time have I heard back from them. Then I furthered my query. I ask them, tell me one lie that Rush Limbaugh has told, and still I get nothing from them. So I reach farther. I say tell me one lie Sean Hannity has said, and still, deathly silence. So if these guys are such hate mongers and liars, why is it I can never get one of them that attack him, to produce one single bit of evidence to support their cause? Not one. How can this be you ask? I would have to say, its just their left wing liberal agenda to attack, because that is basically all the democratic party has brought to the table for the last 8 years. Attack, attack attack. And with the left wing liberal media of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN AND MSNBC all outreach propaganda outlets of the democratic party, they are never called to prove their attacks. Its unbelievable.

  • Marty

    Dear Impeach Obama……
    Check your bank account….see if it’s still there…..Greed….

  • Rob

    VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE
    > REACHES THE SUPREME COURT
    >
    > AP- WASHINGTON D.C. – In a move
    > certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s
    > qualifications for the
    > presidency, the group “Americans for
    > Freedom of
    > Information”
    > has Released copies of President Obama’s
    > college
    > transcripts
    > from Occidental College . Released today, the
    > transcript school indicates
    > that Obama, under the name Barry
    > Soetoro, received financial aid as a
    > foreign student from
    > Indonesia as an undergraduate at the
    > transcript was
    > released by
    > Occidental College in compliance with a court
    > order in a
    > suit
    > brought by the group in the Superior Court of California
    > . The transcript
    > shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for
    > financial aid and was awarded a
    > fellowship for foreign students
    > from the
    > Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify,
    > for the scholarship, a
    > student must claim foreign citizenship.
    > This document would seem to provide
    > the smoking gun that many
    > of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.
    > Along
    > with the
    > evidence that he was first born in Kenya and
    > there is no record
    > of
    > him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking
    > pretty
    > grim. The news
    > has created a firestorm at the White House as
    > the release casts increasing
    > doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and
    > qualification to serve as President. When
    > reached for comment
    > in London , where he has been in meetings
    > with British
    > Prime
    > Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but
    > refused comment on the
    > issue.
    > Britain ‘s Daily Mail has also carried the story in a
    > front-page article
    > titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,”
    > leading some to speculate that the
    > story may overshadow
    > economic issues on Obama’s first official
    > visit to the
    > U.K. In
    > a related matter, under growing pressure from
    > several groups,
    >
    >
    >
    > Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme
    > Court agreed on Tuesday to
    > hear arguments concerning Obama’s
    > legal eligibility to serve as
    > President
    > in a case brought
    > by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit
    > claims
    > Obama’s
    > dual citizenship disqualified him from
    > serving as
    > president.
    > Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by
    > citizens demanding proof
    > of Obama’s citizenship or
    > qualification to serve as president.
    >
    > Gary Kreep of
    > the United States Justice Foundation has
    > released the
    > results
    > of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending.
    > This study estimates
    > that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000
    > in campaign funds in the past year
    > with eleven law firms in 12
    > states for legal resources to block
    > disclosure
    > of any of his
    > personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that
    > the investigation
    > is
    > still ongoing but that the final report will
    > be provided to the
    > U.S.
    > attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to
    > comment on the
    > matter.
    >
    > .
    > LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS
    > NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T !
    >
    > Subject: RE: Issue of
    > Passport?
    > While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle
    > of the Obama birth
    > issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so
    > yesterday and believes the issue can
    > be resolved by Obama
    > answering one simple question: What
    > passport did he
    > use
    > when he was shuttling between New York ,
    > Jakarta , and Karachi
    > ?
    >
    >
    >
    > So how did a young man who arrived in New
    > York in early June 1981, without
    > the price of a hotel room in
    > his pocket, suddenly come up with the price
    > of
    > a
    > round-the-world trip just a month later?
    >
    >
    > And once he
    > was on a plane, shuttling between New York ,
    > Jakarta ,
    > and
    > Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed
    > through Customs and
    > Immigration?
    >
    >
    > The American people
    > not only deserve to have answers to these
    > questions,
    > they must
    > have answers. It makes the debate over
    > Obama’s citizenship
    > a
    > rather short and simple one.
    >
    > Q: Did he travel to
    > Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
    > A : Yes, by his own
    > admission.
    >
    > Q: What passport did he travel under?
    > A:
    >
    > There are only three possibilities.
    >
    >
    >
    > 1) He
    > traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled
    > with a
    > British
    > passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia
    > passport.
    >
    > Q:
    > Is it possible that Obama traveled with a
    > U.S. Passport in
    > 1981?
    > A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S.
    > State Department’s “no
    > travel” list in 1981.
    >
    > Conclusion:
    > When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was
    > traveling either
    > with
    > a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
    >
    > If he
    > were traveling with a British passport that
    > would provide proof
    > that
    > he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as
    > he claims. And if
    > he were traveling with an Indonesian
    > passport that would tend to prove that
    > he relinquished whatever
    > previous citizenship he held, British or
    > American,
    > prior to
    > being adopted by his Indonesian step-father
    > in
    > 1967.
    >
    > Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people
    > need to know how he
    > managed to become a “natural born” American
    > citizen between 1981 and 2008..
    >
    > Given the destructive
    > nature of his plans for America , as
    > illustrated by his
    > speech
    > before Congress and the disastrous spending
    > plan he has presented
    > to
    > Congress,the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the
    > better.
    >
    > If you Don’t care that Your President is not a
    > natural born Citizen and in
    > Violation of the Constitution, then
    > Delete this and go into your cocoon.
    >
    > If you do care then
    > Forward
    > this!
    >
    >
    >

    • Joe H.

      Rob,
      If this is true, it by passes the need for a birth certificate as a person guilty of a federal crime is ineligible to be President. If he got grants by saying he is foreign born he is guilty of obtaining financial support by fraud and that is a federal crime!!!!

    • JC

      Rob its true and we know its true. Now what recourse?

    • gaetano

      You forgot one. He is the son of malcom x.

      • Curtis S

        Oh man, why don’t you just jump to the facts? Glenn Beck and Fox News have just learned from reliable sources that Barrack Obama is one of Hitler’s offspring. He was actually created in a test tube in Brazil using Nazi DNA technology.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thank you Curtis for proving my point. Another attack on Glenn Beck by the left wing, with no proof of the lie they attack him with. Now curl back up in the fetal position and ask the government to give you some food stamps, pay for your house, and give you some insurance too. Good boy Curtis. Good boy.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Wow, and Wow.

  • Marty

    George Bush was not our elected president his first term….the Supreme Court elected him…..short and sweet…..

    • Palin12

      Yeah, right! Too bad Al Bore didn’t win his home state of Tennessee in 2000, or he would have won the presidency outright. Looks like the folks in Tennessee knew something the rest of us didn’t know!

      • Jana

        Yes, and Clinton didn’t win the majority of the votes either. It was in the 44-46 percentile.
        Thank God Al Gore didn’t win. Look what he is doing now. Making money on a hoax. He advocated everyone else to ride bikes and cut down on their energy usage yet his house uses more than ten houses use in a year in just one month. He has a what 20,000 square foot house?
        Yeah some hero. He is a liar the same as Obama. If it were a choice between Gore and Bush, I would vote for Bush again. Gore is an idiot.

        • Average Joe

          Jana,

          Always remember, Al Gore did not create the internet, but he did make up Global Warming.

          • Jana

            Average Joe,
            That’s right he didn’t invent the internet but he sure tried to take credit for it. The poor man just has to lie to feel important.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Jana, you are a wise woman. But how dare you state the truth to those on the left. They cant handle it. Now you will be attacked. But never the less, thank you for your truthful statements. Its good to hear good reasoning.

        • Curtis S

          Jana?? Congratulations on the Faux News spin on the facts! What do you mean by majority? Clinton had 43%, Bush 37% and Perot 18%, the Libertarians and “others” had the rest of the vote. The MAJORITY of the voters chose Clinton. If there are two candidates, 50% +1 would be a majority, but in 1992 there were three candidates.
          In ’96, Clinton had 49% of the vote compared to Dole’s 40%, with Perot, Nader and the “others” taking the rest of the vote. Again, Clinton had a majority of the vote.

          So, either you’re misinformed or trying to skew the facts, neither are admirable traits.

          • Jana

            You should know Curtis, you do it all of the time.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yeah right Curtis. And Clinton was the first black president. And Clinton didnt inhale. And Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman. And Clinton did not cause the banks collapse by setting up funding with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, ran by Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelic, overseen by Barney Frank. And Clinton did not give China technology. And Clinton did not let the enemy blow up the World Trade Center Basement, the USS Cole, and set up camp here to commit the horrors of 9-11. Yeah, your boy Clinton was a real hero wasnt he, riding the successes of Ronald Reagan for 6 years until he ran the country into the ground. Your not a very smart man Curtis, so I do hope you know what love is.

    • Robin

      WOW, Marty you better go to the bathroom!!! sounds like it’s been awhile….

    • DZ

      And Marty you don’t think that Mainstream Media is the one that put Obama in????? HELLO?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Your [word removed] you little peckerwood. Go back to Cuba.

  • DZ

    I think there should be alot of court suits against the government. This is unconstitutional.

    • http://american@comcast.com truth American

      Please take me off your e-mail. I am so sick of hearing you conservative do nothing expect put fear in american people’s head. the health care system is broken. There is peolpe in this country are dying and blankrupe with out help. If you are truth american get out and really helping the people are need.

      • DZ

        I don’t think that you know what you are talking about. You don’t even know what kinda crap is in that bill. No one does, are you special.

      • Robin

        That’s right it’s the people who should help those in need. NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats correct Robin. God has charged us Christians with remembering the poor, and taking care of them, as “they will always be with you”. But its not the governments job. The government should keep us safe, protect our borders, keep our police and fire departments and such running. Overlook our highways and byways and bridges and things like that. Stay out of the churches business.

          • Robin

            Beberoni, You are correct.

          • DaveH

            The church helps the poor with money that was contributed voluntarily from its members. The Government helps themselves first and then helps the poor with money that was forcibly taken from the citizens. It is theft when the government takes the money of others by force, not charity.

          • Curtis S

            Hahaha. Yeah, you give the church your money voluntarily? Will they still let attend church if you miss a payment one Sunday? Historically the people who “gave” more to the church got to sit closer to the front. Donations are a competition to see who gets to sit nearest to god. If you don’t tithe your 10% watch what happens. And of course there’s the coercion, if you don’t pay you “ain’t gwine up to hebbin’.” The government steals your money and the church scares you out of your money, potato or as your Republican hero Dan Quayle would say, potatoe.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If your church scares you out of your money, I highly suggest you leave it immediately my friend. If your getting extra treatment because you give, I again highly suggest you leave it immediately, and find a real one. My home church is wonderful. Im not asked to give, Im not pressured to give, and I dont get treated special because I give. In fact, if that was the case, the pastor and staff would be pretty busy trying to make happy the 1000 of us that believe in tithing and giving. Im thinking it would be hard to sit 1000 of us all up front, and treat all 1000 of us special. Youve got it all wrong Curtis. I dont know what kind of a snake grabbing, kool aide drinking group your hanging with, but you need to move away from it now. Is it Reverend Wright by any chance? You need to run far from him also. Ill pray for you that you will find a real church, because what your describing sounds like hell to me.

      • Joe H.

        truth American,
        Are you sure you are from this country? you seem to have a problem grasping the English language!!!!! I had a real time deciphering your message!!!

        • c lee

          Joe H. thank God you posted I was beginning to think I had been on here to long tonight and all the words were running together. But I think your on to something. Its not me he just cant write.

      • JC

        Good point. too bad you don’t have a clue how it got that way….”Government” plain and simple. So don’t expect these same people, who haven’t given a s**t about you for a long time to all of a sudden decide to become benevolent and fix everything. No way. This is another move to break the America I’ve known and loved all my life and turn it into part of a global communist state. There does that help dry the tears any?

      • Jana

        truth, I hope they do take you off the email. We don’t need to hear any more socialistic ideologies. We are inundated already. We need common sense and those who are willing to discuss common sense ideas.

        • Curtis S

          That’s big talk coming from someone who is a little shaky on the simple concept of what a “majority” is.

          • American Citizen

            He did not win the majority of votes. He only won 47% of the votes cast. 57% of the people who voted did not vote for him.

          • Curtis S

            Hahahaha. Check your math big guy. I’m not Faux News! In MY world 47 + 57 does not = 100. hahaha. Game. Set and Match for Curtis!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Curt, baby. On our side, we give 104 percent. Got it?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I disagree. My healthcare does me just fine, and having come from a poor family of 6, where my father never made over 10.00 all his working years, and having never went to college, and raised two fine children, and I love my wife, and I do allright, and I pay insurance premiums, and my health care is covered. So I have to ask, if there are people dying because of not having health care, just what have they dont with their lives, that makes them deserving of having the government take my hard earned money, and give it to them? Should I be punished like this, because some decided all their youth to do drugs and alchohol to where they are null and void and cant get a job? I should pay for this? No No No. Or the guy that deals crack on the corner, who doesnt want to work, and laughs at those that do work. Then his worthless hide gets shot by another drug dealer, and he goes to the hospital. He doesnt have insurance, so your thinking says I should pay for it. Again, No No No. They made a bed, they can sleep in it. Im tired of this society punishing those that work hard, buckle down and succeed, and reward those who dont give a crap about anyone but themselves. Its wrong, and I highly disagree with this. And if you dont disagree with this kind of behavior, then your not much of a man.

  • D.K.IVEY

    this whole country has got to rise up, if its not too late. i agree
    with all of the above. i must addone more, maybe the biggest,,there
    probably would be money left over if the illegles were kicked out and
    sent out of here, there would be no more free food mrdical housing
    etc. and the job mkt would open up instantly. also, the whole country
    must stand up and kick obama and his chicago gang out of the country.
    i hope and pray that its not too late………….

    • Robert

      Unfortunately, the media has ordained this guy as the “Chosen One”. And if anyone dares to challenge him or his cronies the media will attack you relentlessly like the rabid dogs they are. I’m more concerned about their attempts to disarm all Americans. That’s how Hitler, Stalin, Mayo and their ilk were able to commit the attrocities against mankind. Once the government disarms Americans, their ultimate goal of mass slavery will be complete. A wise marine told me he had no problem turning his guns over if requested. He added that a good marine will empty his gun first for safety reasons. I guess in his case, there wont be someone left to collect his guns.

      • Joe H.

        Robert,
        You know what the problem with that is??? Those people are going to drown in the same water they think he can walk on!!!!!

  • time

    Strange how many friend I know that are Democrats that now ask themselfs this question. What have I done by voting for Mr Obamaa?

    People its a done deal, 2010 is too late, the damage has been done to the point that we as in the United States can never recover.
    I am thinking of moving to China at least you know your getting.

    Here we get the same rhetoric with a differant face to make you all feel “CHANGE,” how many pennys do you have left again?

    Marty, Mr. MadeOFF is a Democrat.

    • gaetano

      Hey TIMES SAYS, You don`t have to worry about that because we won`t be put in camps. WE will be put in boats and sent to cuba.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Madoff is not only a democrat, those in power now conduct business just like he did, only for some reason they are allowed to steal.

    • American Citizen

      Our son-in-law who is working in Kuwait to help our military fighting over there says that no matter what, this is still the greatest country in which to live. He says if people who complain could live in one of those third world countries for six months, they would change their minds in a hurry.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    Here’s my Christmas wish for the “senate”.
    Dear Sirs and Madams, when exactly did you loose you guts? When did you loose your integrity to uphold the will of the people who elected you? What have all of you been bribed with? A ticket to the underground world when the nukes start raining down on America? A ticket to live in a cave for 3 years as WWIII rages? Please reconsider, because an hour of glorious life is worth an eternity without a name. You low-down rabble of curr-dogs, without your integrity you have lost your humanity, you are dumb beasts selling your very souls for the sake of deception and lies. Do you really think that the lies will not touch you? I guarantee this: NONE OF YOU WILL MAKE IT INTO THAT UNDERGROUND WORLD YOU WILL DIE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO NOW HATE YOU. you are all completely expendable like the American patriots. You have sold out to Satan himself and your sacrificial blood will flow in the senate when the NWO has done with you. RECONSIDER: once bought, you will never get you soul back. DOES NOT YOUR GOOD WORD AND THE INTEGRITY OF HONEST BEHAVIOR,DOES THID NOT APPEAL TO YOU EVEN AS THE LAST HOUR APPROACHES? SERVE SATAN BUT KNOW THIS: THE DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR–NEAR AND COMING QUICKLY!THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE CONSUMED, FOR HE WILL MAKE A SUDDEN END OF ALL WHO LIVE ON THE EARTH! Is not an hour of glorious life defending our great Republic not worth something? IT IS WORTH AN ETERNITY OF INTEGRITY AND RIGHTEOUSNESS. Pass this bogus health care bill and the American people will know 2 things, that they no longer have anyone in government who is a not a traitor to their country, and,if people don’t want to go to your FEMA camps, they are left with only one option. We who believe in constutional law do also believevery much

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You spoke of integrity and righteousness. As you probably allready know by now, unfortunately, left wing liberals know nothing about either one of these, nor do they care. Its a shame.

  • Marilyn

    Tighten your seat belts. It’s going to be a rough ride with ObamaHealthcare. Those who think they are going to get a free ride – it “ain’t” gonna happen. Everyone pays for this ObamaHealth care. We only hear the great things this new Government run insurance is going to do. No one hears the negative BS inside that bill. Did Obama read all 2500 pages of what he will sign? I highly doubt it. Even I could write a healthcare reform on four or five pages. Get the insurance companies regulated and it stops there. Look at all the money that will be generated just in fines for not using Obama Healthcare! Bull Manure.

    • JC

      I’m reminded of the Detroit woman I saw on TV during Obama’s campaign saying “Obama gon fill my tank an pay mah mogij” I wonder how that’s working out for her…

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Almost everybody. Only those who dont work and have drank and drugged it all away will prosper on this one. Anyone that works or is paying for health care premiums, now will be paying more and getting less. Thanks dumbocrats. And thank you the uneducated public that pulled that lever. Thanks a lot.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    cont. We who believe in constitutional law do also verY much believe in standing when that hour of temptation comes on the whole world, and we will choose that hour of glorious life.
    YOU SHOULD ALL RESIGN BY THE END OF THE DAY, WE DO NOT WANT AND DO NOT NEED TO FOLLOW THE WEAK, THE TRAITORS, THE SELF-SEEKING FREAKS BOUGHT WITH MONEY AND FEAR, YOU HAVE BEEN TESTED AND FOUND WANTING AND MY CHRISTMAS WISH FOR YOU IS THAT YOU ALL ****-OFF TO SOME OTHER COUNTRY AS YOU HAVE ALREADY DECIDED NOT TO DEFEND YOUR OWN.

  • http://personallibertydigest jim s

    I find it difficult to believe that anyone thinks that FOX is telling the truth about anything. If you only paid attention you could have seen that at one fo Palns book signing’s that were supposedly jammed with people that FOX chose to include footage of one of her campaign rallies and tried to pass it of as people at the book signing, or how about the TEA party event in D.C. that included footage from a rally that took place much erlier when there were still leaves on the trees.When you have to put people on that can go from crying to laughing in a bat of an eye (ie Glenn Beck)how can anyone take seriously the BS that is being handed out. The only thing FOX is good for is sports.The idea that Madoff is a democrat has nothing to do with the fact that he is a thief if you want to talk about thiefs how about Gingrich who had to return several million $ from a book advance that he never even began to write or how about your main man Rudy Giuliana that has so many skeltons in his closet that he should be required to have a mortisions license.I know how hard it is for people that advocate civil war to accept an educated person as president especially after the last fool we had in there GW Bush

    • Joe H.

      jim s,
      Please stop repeating things you hear!!! You prove you are doing this by the fact that when you are talking about what you know, you spell things right!!! When you are parroting people you spell wrong!!!! Good thing I’m not playing Texas hold em’ against you!!! With your “tells” you would be broke after ten hands if that long!!!!

      • Jana

        Yes Joe, like he really watches Fox News.
        What about all of the other main steam media? They omit anything that they don’t want to come out. They have sold out to Socialism which is next to Communism.
        They hide real news and squelch any true reporting that they used to do and replaced it with touchy feely feel good stuff. The only problem is this type of “news” doesn’t inform the people of anything, it hides the real news.It allows the people to be lead around by the nose and down the road to eventual Communism.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Go drink a spot of tea with George Soros would you, you anti American thug.

    • c lee

      None of this is even relivent because he is going to be proven ineligable to be the President.

  • THE PATRIOT

    When Andrew Carnegie and Woodrow Wilson (among other “prominent” Americans) began to tout “public education”, they were really talking about Government Education. Their stated goal for such education was to “educate” children in these schools just enough that they would become “good government subjects” and “good factory workers willing and able to obey orders.” At that time, they couldn’t have envisioned television and the ability of the government to brainwash the general population past “public education.” So now, the government (including both republicans and democrats)has the best of both worlds in which to educate and brainwash the population. Mainstream television teaches the population to depend upon TV to entertain and to educate. Hidden agendas in all programs are designed to insulate the population from TRUTH. No longer do we have “Patriots” to our Constitution, but we have Dependents who rely on all government produced articles to inform them. I can’t begin to tell you how many of my family and friends actually believe that AARP and the like are actually in their corner, and that our system actually needs to be corrected. We have a HEALTHY crisis, not a healthcare crisis. Food product manufacturers put so much junk into their processed foods that it is impossible to consume them and not be sick. These manufactured diseases are there to cause people to become ill with diseases such as cancer, so that pharmaceutical com-panies can sell their wares. Is it just a coincidence that once the population became dependent upon processed foods, that almost all diseases became rampant? If you were educated in “government schools” you may not be able to grasp this concept. If, however, you are still able to think somewhat for yourself, you probably will be able to discern the truth of this. Go to growing your own veggetables, buy your beef from a country farmer who will not lace it with hormones and preservatives, eat fresh fruits and vegetables, cut out sugar, discontinue canned foods from your diet, and watch your health improve. Then get strong and ready for the armed revolution, which must ensue. The only other solution in 2010 is to vote everyone out in the House and replace all 33 Senators who will stand for re-election. Replace 0bummer with someone from the Tea Party and 34 more Senators in 2012, and we might have a chance. However, a Federal Judge has ruled that taking ACORN’s federal money from them was unconstitutional (I reread the Constitution and couldn’t find anything in there relating to them having federal money in the first place), it is altogether possible that ACORN will be able to determine the outcome of future elections as they did in several states last year. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER reelect anyone. The citizenry must impose term limits on all elected servants. (Notice that I did not say Officials, but “servants” instead). They serve us, but call themselves “officials”. We all must begin to refer to them as public servants so they understand their role. MORE LATER when I have more time.

    • MOMSRIGHT

      I agree with you! However, we still have some in the senate who ARE fighting for us! Make sure you due your due diligence and not throw the baby out with the bath water! God Bless!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Marty

    I would like to go on record that there are two (2) Martys writing on this subject…..I am the one
    who wrote at 9:48 am ONLY. I didn’t think there could be 2 bloggers with the same name on the
    website. The “other” Marty’s views are not mine. In order to avoid confusion, this Marty
    will not post here again. FYI

    • American Citizen

      All you have to do is change your screen name. You are not required to use your real name.

      • Jana

        The good Marty, No no no, don’t quit posting. Add an initial to your name and keep on posting.

    • Joe H.

      Marty,
      People who read you will be able to tell the difference!!! Especially if the difference is night and day strong!!!

    • JC

      I think we all just prefer to think your schizophrenic. :)

    • JC

      Sorry, I should have probably checked to see if you were the communist Marty.

  • MOMSRIGHT

    We’ve all been lulled to sleep by years of political correctness. How many things have we allowed liberals to redefine? A baby has become a blob of tissue, an abortion has become choice instead of murder, and the constitution has become a suggestion instead of the law! Government is a cruel baby sitter and we have given them the keys to our house, to our children! Those who should be courageous and stand up are cowering in fear! I am disgusted by those who would sell out our future and the freedom of the next generation for a few million dollars to fund their pet projects! Is freedom really worth so little? Wait until it is gone! Those same liberals who scream about how much we need government run health care will melt with remorse as they experience what it’s going to cost them! I am not just talking about dollars and cents, I am talking about when the police show up at your door and haul you away from your family because you are unable to pay the taxes! What will happen to your children while you are in jail? Government run orphanages! I know I am pushing this to an extreme but I am afraid we are all in for unpresidented oppression the likes we have never seen in our generation! I wish we had all been better students of history, no wonder the liberal has worked so hard to pervert the truth in our school systems! Our children and young adults do not know the truth about the historical out comes of Marxism or the author of all truth our Lord Jesus Christ! God help us all!

    • American Citizen

      Obama said he was going to fundamentally and radically change this country. What did people think he meant by that? That they could get a free Lunch? There is no such thing, it all has to be paid for. Anyone who is on Medicare can tell you its costs.

  • Bill Bordeaux

    The left is as happy as child with a new toy!! This bill if signed into law will begin to slowly kill seniors because doctors can no longer afford to help them because obnama is cutting money to those doctors to send over to medicaid. It is a natiional disgrace.
    Where you going liberal when they come for your ass?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      According to Emmanuel’s brother, those under 16 and over 65 are expendable, and not worth medical care. Im sure Obama will see fit in incorporate that into his communist thug government. The mob doesnt care.

  • Dickie

    Reid,pelosi,& the rest of the Demon’s,Sure are luckey times have changed,Our Forefarthers,Along with the people,Would have been hung at the nearest tree,For the treason,They have just commemted,Hideing behind closed door’s,In the night,How these tyrant’s,Only people with no shame,Or ethics,Could show their FACE to the American People,My GOD!,To come out right and say,I cut a deal,My people,Is exclude,From this garbage,Like Nelson did,Where are these people’s morals,I just hope his subjects are proud as he is for selling his sole to reid,pelosi,& The rest of the demon’s,For hurting the American People the way they have,This is got to be the most shamefull,Thing that any congress,In American History has ever done,With more than 70% of the AMERICAN PEOPLE IS APPOSED TO.These people have just put theirsleves,One step below SADDAM HUSSIEN,HILTER,& CASTRO,The DEMONCRAFT PARTY,IS THE AMERICAN TALIBAN.Oh I forgot they have their own HUSSEIN OBAMA THE WORLDS BIGGEST LIER!,They not only went behind closed doos,They bought out all ready corrupt poltitions,They did this at night,EVIL always do their work at night.

  • Tow Truck

    For all of you that have somehow justified this abortion of our legal system, consider, for a moment that is constitutionally illegal for the government to create anything that the American people are required to purchase. Above and beyond that, EVERY poll taken, which means even those that lean to the left have indicated that the vast majority of the American public are opposed to this bill. What does that mean to those of you that are so taken by Obama that you can’t see the light of day? It’s called misrepresentation of your constituency. There is no super computer or instant polling process within the districts that these criminals come from. They KNOW they are breaking the law but their attitude is “so what”? The only thing that these indoctrinated morons can come up with is “uninsured people” or “people with pre existing condition” reasoning for their politically lobotomized justification of a congressional crime. We all want insurance reform but not this way.

    • chuck b

      truck

      you liberals (demos) all cry for reform, what do you mean by reform? what do you want them to reform? do you want free healthcare? who pays?
      i’m sure if they raise your tax’s to pay for this it will be to your satisfaction! oh! their going to tax the rich!! ho ho ho guess were the rich is going to get the money to pay for those tax’s. you democrats never learn. also talking about old man bush, how about talking about old man kennedy, “you know the liberals favorite dynasty” seems to me he kind of liked adolph.

      • Average Joe

        chuck b,

        I will credit Kennedy with trying to do one thing right for this country ie: Executive Order 11110 (look it up) This particular Exec. Order was in response to congress passing a bill to remove the silver from the American people (removing the silver certificates from circulation). Amzingly 5 months after tha Executive Order JFK was assasinated and the sivler certificates were removed from circulation and replace by our new FRN’S (Federal Reserve Notes) which were no longer redeemable in silver…on the very day that he was assasinated….coincidence?….I think not.
        Kennedy was trying to shut down the Federal Reserve Bank and return us to sound currency.It cost him his life, the greatest sacrafice a man can make for his country.

        • Claire

          Average Joe–I am with you on this. True words. I have often thought the same thing. And I believe our government had him killed.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Rest assured Chuck, somehow, somewhere, when the dummies on the left start to find out they are paying for this, and see their taxes raised, and see their grandma and 12 year old do without medical care, they will in some sick way twist it around and blame Bush. Thats what they do.

  • http://none Karen Christian

    What a bunch of jackasses! I just hope that they have to suffer as much as the rest of us will. I hope that everyone of them when the next election comes is voted out. Just pray…………..God is in control.

    • Curtis S

      God is in control? Seriously? Is He even paying attention? This is what your world is like when your God is in control? Looks more like conclusive proof that the atheists are right.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        God is in control. He doesnt have to constantly tempt you and corrupt you like Satan does. He gives you the ability to choose right or wrong. But rest assured pal, one fine day, you will get to look Him in the eye, and tell Him how great you are and that He doesnt exist. Have fun with that.

      • DaveH

        Curtis,
        I am an Atheist and I would pal around with the religious people any day. Whatever they believe, they are making an honest effort to be good.
        I can’t say the same for the thieving, controlling Liberals.

        • Curtis S

          Yeah, liberals and the self-righteous bother me too.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And I, as a Christian, would run around with Dave, because he speaks the truth when he speaks. You Curtis, lie too much. Just like after this post, where you say liberals bother you. What? You bother yourself? Curt, your one of the biggest liberals on this post. So shape up pal.

    • Average Joe

      Karen Christian,
      Are you kidding? They will be the ones who get the “special exemptions”,special assistance etc….Because they are… “special” (read “shortbus”) people.

  • http://yahoo leonard

    IT WILL BE TO LATE IM AFRAID WHEN PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THE FACT OBAMA IS NOTHING MORE THEN A SLEEPER.EVEN THOUGH HE CANT GO ANY FARTHER THEN HIS TERM. HE WILL NEVER MAKE ANOTHER TERM. SO THATS BAD NEWS FOR THE JERKS WITH HIM IN DC.LET US HOPE THAT IT DONT GIVE THE LIBS ENOUGH TIME TO DESTORY AMERICA.AND DONT THINK WE DONT KNOW THERE ARE SOME AS—-E REPUBS IN ON IT TOO.

  • Senior Cesar

    12/21/09 12:20CST
    Senior Cesar Says:

    Waiting to 2014 for Obama’s health care is disastrous enough for most Americans. But tragically enough is also the fact that traditional drugs called medicines will also bting death to most of those using the Obama’s health care deal.

    However, if both, the time to be able to receive the health care, and the kind of health care was changed to elective health care that a patient could choose to elect natural medicine provided by a Natupathic Doctor which is much safer and most efficient than drugs, then and only then, the Obama health Care Provision will be worthy to receive.

    Otherwise, it will be just as tragical as waiting to 2014 to get any health care. But in America real health care does not seem to matter to the FDA or the Obama’s administration.

    Merry Peaceful Christmas and a happy New Year to you all

  • http://google ron

    what people didnt realize is that this obama fool is all about the destruction of AMERICA HE AND HIS FAMILY OF LIBERAL FANATICS SHOULD ALL BE TRIED FOR TREASON!!!.everyone that voted for this I believe,anticrist didnt see it coming.I new what this guy was all about. I wish that the conservetive media whould say it for what he is, A COMMY. His wife even said during the election that she hated the U.S. I didnt vote for this MORON,but id like to know how we can give him the boot!!! Since they are supossedly working for us cant we fire them without waiting till the voting period arrives? wheres the CIA? who else is being bought? they all should be fired!!! IF YOU LIBS HATE AMERICA SO MUCH, MOVE TO FRANCE!!! signed pissed off AMERICAN. id also like to say im sorry to ALL VETS AND CURRENT TROUPS,THIS MORON IS TRYING TO MAKE WHAT YOUVE DONE FOR OUR FREEDOMS IN THIS WORLD MEANINGLESS! AMERICAN PATRIOT!!!!

    • RobertP

      You can become part of a movement (of which there are many now), is how you can try to do something. Ranting on these websites may get out your frustrations, but it does no good to help get rid of the scum that plagues Washington. Call and write to your congress-persons, get active in the Tea Party movement, sign petitions, like this
      https://fs7.formsite.com/C4Strategies/form478613130/secure_index.html, but do something besides blogging. If you are already doing this, as I am, then thank you. If we all do this then maybe we have a chance.

      • Joe H.

        RobertP,
        I haven’t stopped since Bush tried to pass scamnesty!!!! I wrote and e-mailed Nelson the other day!!!

        • RobertP

          Way to go Joe!!

    • Joe H.

      ron,
      as a vet I’d like to say it isn’t your fault the government has stopped representing the people who pay their salaries, bloated as they are!!!

  • Marty S

    You GREAT PATRIOTIC AMERICANS MAKE ME SICK……you have no clue…..yeah….better stop posting….Glen Beck is come on…..I’m going to the bathroom…..

    • American Citizen

      You need to as you’re full of it.

      • Joe H.

        Marty,
        I hope you weighed yourself so they know how much to dip back out if you fall in!!!!

        • c lee

          Joe H. that statement was a classic. I swear I cant wait to hear what you come up with next, sometimes it just gets hard to bear on here with all the bad news and all and then you post something. Keep up the good work. A Fan.

    • John

      Marty S,
      Not as sick as YOU UNPATRIOTIC AMERICANS MAKE US SICK.

      THERE ARE REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS DYING FOR YOUR RIGHTS RIGHT NOW SO THAT IDIOTS LIKE YOU CAN SPEW THE VERMON THAT YOU DO AND NOT HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

      NO YOU MAKE ME SICK MY FRIEND!

    • DaveH

      I would take clueless people any day over you controlling, thieving, immoral Liberals.

    • JC

      Never forget that its ok to be a dickhead…just don’t forget who’s blood paid for the privelege. Patriots. Not commie loyalists like you, but Real Americans who know the difference.

    • Jana

      Hey, good Marty, I don’t think you have to do anything. The bad Marty added an initial to his.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Wait a minute Marty. I went to the bathroom, and flushed twice. How did you get back out here?

    • c lee

      I feel sorry for you because I dont think you have a clue whats comming. All I can come up with is Semper FI.

  • Jim S.

    TO:

    WithHoldTaxes & ImpeachObama

    Gents:

    If you look at the posts I made at 7:44 AM and 7:55 AM, I am completely in aggrement with your views.

    Someone jumped in at 8:53 AM and used my user name rto reverse everything I said in the previous posts.

    This just goes to show you the lengths that the kook fringe Liberals will go to try and make their case seem real.

    They are a small group of people that have never been on the right side of a serious issue and cannot stand the fact that they have been exposed.

    I hope you two see and read this response…

    Lets stay organized and in the end we will prevail…

    • libertytrain

      Jim S. – it is not possible to do as you suggest – BUT it is possible that there is another Jim S. out there. I suggest you change you log on name.

      • John

        Bob,

        I should have mentioned that there is someone else using my screen name also or perhaps I’m using theirs, but I haven’t complained because we both share the same views.

    • John

      Bob,

      Is there something that can be done to keep this from happening agian as it did too Jim S.?
      Perhaps one user name only on this site?

      • DaveH

        I agree John. Each user name should be unique.

      • Joe H.

        John,
        There is a filter that stops them from using any name that is already in use!!! Town Hall has it! A few others have as well!! This site should say user name already in use if someone tries to use a name already in use and stop you from using it!!!

  • American Citizen

    There are no statesmen in the Senate. How disappointing have been some we’ve depended upon to do the right thing. Vote every one of them out.

  • American Citizen

    It is so wrong for Obama and his cohorts to bribe or threaten any member of the Senate for his or her vote. The Senate is supposed to be the deliberative body and take its time on any issue before voting. At least, that’s what I learned in Civics class. The people of this country, especially the young, need to take a good Civics class and also an economics class. They spout so much ignorance here. They’re not stupid, just ignorant and it’s hurting this country tremendously.

    • RobertP

      Clearly this deal violates Article 1 Section 9 part 6 of the Constitution which says: “No preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one state over another…” and Article 4 Section 2 which says: “The Citizens of each state shall be entitled to all the Privileges and Immunities of the Citizens in the several states.”

      Citizens of Nebraska will now have state medical bills, other states must pay, funded courtesy of the United States government (meaning you and me.) Nebraskans are clearly receiving a special privilege. According to this monstrosity, they are more equal than other Americans.

      Sitting on high, the President encouraged this corrupt, ugly spectacle. Not only that, he broke the vow he took to uphold the US Constitution as he raised his hand and recited his oath of office.

      While we all sleep, the U.S. Senate is stripping us of our freedom. Clearly the time for impeachment is at hand. Reid and Pelosi deserve to be removed right along with Obama.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You have to understand, your dealing with the left wing here. Rules are meant for other people to follow, not them. Moral are for other people to have, not them. Guidlines do not apply to them. They are above all else, and can change the rules as the game goes if it fits them better. They are wonderful, just ask them. Yeech.

  • Barbara

    Since I do not have the money to pay for the government approved health care – am I going to have the money to pay the fine for not having the money to pay for insurance? ? ? ?
    I will be seeing you in jail. No money you get to go to jail.
    I do not have the money so I will be getting my affairs in order.

    I suspect once in jail it will be very difficult to get out.

    • DaveH

      The Constitution does not give the Federal Government the power to force us to buy insurance. Rather than go to jail, just fight the law all the way to the Supreme Court.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        to do that she would need the ACLU and she is not of the minority on this!!!! If she was demanding someone pay for her insurance then the ACLU would represent her all the way!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats right. The ACLU only represents those in the wrong, or downright evil dudes. If your in the right, or a white Christian, Jew, or Catholic, they have no interest. Only interest they have is in breaking down this country even more. Anti Christ Lawyers Union.

      • gaetano

        Dave H,I am with you 100%,but you better know that the supreme court is in on this scam also. We cannot count on any one in gevrnment now. It is to late. The government has already started to overthrow itself. Soon all reublicans will be given the choice, JOIN US OR DIE.

        • DaveH

          There is another course of action. That is for the conservative states to seceed from this lawless Union. It may come to that. Then the Liberal States can screw themselves all they want.

          • c lee

            You know Dave H. I live in Kentucky and after seeing the frustration on my Senator Mitch McConnells face today We the citizens of Kentucky may get the opportunity to vote on succesion. My vote would be Yes.

          • denniso

            Why do you guys waste your time spouting such nonsense as secession? Didn’t the South try that and fail a while back? Try to do something positive,like join DaveH’s Libertarian party and further splinter the Repubs so we can actually get some work done to repair the disaster that Bush left behind before he fled to Tx to clear more brush..the only thing he may be good at.

          • DaveH

            Maybe you Liberals think it is okay to change the rules of the game midway, but the rest of us don’t. When the States signed on to the Union, the Constitution was the contract. If the Federal Government doesn’t follow the contract, the States have a right to opt out.
            Your kind only got in power Dumniso because the voters were lied to. Now they know what the Democrats really stand for and it isn’t pretty. I would love it if the Conservative States seceded and left you ignorant Liberals to fight over the scraps in the Liberal States. It would be fun to watch.

          • DaveH

            From Dumniso: “Didn’t the South try that and fail a while back?”
            Yes they did, but in that case they were on the wrong side of the moral imperative. It wasn’t hard for Lincoln to rally the North against the immorality of the slave-owners.
            In our case, first of all, we wouldn’t be attacking anybody. We would simply be leaving this unholy Union. Second, the moral imperative would be on our side because the Federal Government is breaking the main law of the land, the Constitution (which binds the states together). It is you Liberals in this case who are pursuing immorality.
            If you don’t like that we leave you behind, what are you going to do? Attack us? That would be a laugh riot. The lazy Liberals who want something for nothing are going to get off their butts and risk their lives? I doubt it.

    • Average Joe

      Barbara,
      At least you will be in good company and have lot’s of inside pen pals. Millions more of us will be there too. Not to worry tho, the Feds will just up the ante so that those that can pay for it…will be paying for ours while we sit in jail. So all of you libs that think this is such a great idea…remember…while we sit in jail…you get to pay for our “FREE” medical care….oh…I forgot…all of you libs will be right there too….lmao….because if you can’t afford it now, you certainly won’t be able to afford it after the Feds get their hands in the till…..Don’t believe me? Ask anyone in the state of Florida if their Homeowners Insurance got cheaper when the state implemented “Citizen’s Insurance”(the most expensive insurance in the state). Or maybe ask those in Mass. that are now paying more for their coverage,now that the state took control of their health care insurance.

      • Joe H.

        Average Joe,
        The state of Mississippi instituted tort reform a few years ago and with the first report, it showed a decrease in insurance and health care costs statewide!!!!

        • Average Joe

          Joe H.,
          Tort reform and insurance across state lines would be two things I can get behind, as well as removing the Anti-trust exemptions that the insurance companies now enjoy…those three things would go a long way towards “Health Care Reform”. Those things promote Free Market Economics and would promote competition amongst insurers and thereby lower the price of insurance as a whole.

    • Robert

      Don’t worry Barbara, I am in that boat also. With most law abiding working citizens that will be jailed because we can’t afford health insurance or the fines, where will the government get the money to operate? How will companies operate when everyone is in jail? That’s how clueless all these politicians are. What do you think is going to happen when them come to arrest a retired marine for not paying this fine? I guess he’ll have to give up his guns. That is after he empties the bullets first.

  • American for America

    The Democrats are a lot less evil than the Republicans when it comes to governance. I would rather a president having sex with an intern than a president who starts a war over bogus WMD’s costing America a $trillion and the blood of many Americans.

    And when you talk about communist Democrats which is a radical statement by a brain dead individual I would suggests that you check out the congressional records on Prescott Bush (G.W’s grandfather) who invested in Hitler and the Nazi Party during WWII. Congress found out about it and seized his assets. It is fair to say that two presidents of the US had a vested interests in Hitler.

    We need both Democrats and Republicans who honor the values of their party. The Republicans had 8 years to put a health care plan together and instead of spending the $1 trillion on Americans decided to spend it on Dick cheney and Halliburton. George W. said everything we wanted to hear and then lied through his teeth for 8 years. He inherited a strong economy in 2000 and left us with one in shambles. However you slice or dice it, it happened under his watch. And I don’t think G.W. is evil. He was plain dumb.

    And all the Republican’s can do is be obstructionists. If they really wanted Health Care Reform, where is their plan. Like Bush, they have an intellectual void. I am personally happy that they stopped the Public Option – bad idea. But I didn’t see any plan to create more competition in the health care insurance industry. Because they have an intellectual void all they can do is be obstructionist.

    I don’t appreciate Democrats calling all Republicans evil any more than I appreciate a Republican calling Democrats evil. Neither party is evil but both have a number of idiots in them that are brought and paid for by lobbyist.

    Merry Christmas

    • DaveH

      Here is a plan. Get the Government out of the Health Care business. Big Government is the Problem, not the Solution:
      http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

      • denniso

        American, you make some good points..be prepared for name calling directed at you now.

        • DaveH

          Good Points? Like this one:
          “He inherited a strong economy in 2000 and left us with one in shambles.”
          Strong economy? Did you not hear of the Dot Com bust? Which by the way was already being blamed on Bush in his first month.
          And the current economy was largely a result of Democrats pushing for home loans to unqualified borrowers:
          http://reason.org/news/show/the-housing-boom-and-bust
          Anybody can make up unsupported facts and ridicule others. Although for sure it is the Liberals that usually employ these tactics.

    • Average Joe

      American for America,
      We need both Democrats and Republicans who honor the values of their party.

      I would have to disagree with that statement. We need Democrats and Republicans that uphold their Oath of Office to uphold and defend the Constitution….Party politics don’t mean squat.Party politics are changable at will…the Constitution is only changable by Amendment.

    • RobertP

      Have you even noticed how much more divided this country is along political party lines today, than anytime before? It is as far as I can remember. Do you believe this is coincidence? Think about it. This division exists because the people that dictate are not the people you see, its the people behind the people you see. Democrats and Republicans are no different when it comes to passing laws and dictating policies as long as they fall in line with the invisible force that exists “behind” the politicians. Everyone wants to blame the other side, but that is the goal of this invisible force. Obama promised to end the wars in Iran and Afganistan. Apparently he has been forced to change his mind. Guess why? It is not in the best interests of those who want control, not because it is not in the nations best interest. Republicans were more happy with this decision than Democrats. But this decision (that took months to make) really isn’t about Republican best interests or the nations best interests.

      Remember the saying “United we stand, divided we fall”. Believe it or not, we are “falling” hard and fast now because we are so divided, and it is the “Master plan” that we are falling toward, and that “plan” is the ultimate and total control over our lives, just as it exists in most other countries that America used to stand against. No longer is this true. We are being setup for a massive and wholesale “change”, and those that call themselves Democrats, rather than Americans, will find that this change is one that both partys actually don’t want, but with either party, it will happen, but the illusion is that as long as it happens by the party in power, that side of the country will think it is getting what it wants, and keep us divided until it is obvious that the people no longer have choice, rather than having a false deception that we do. Only by uniting together can we make this country great again. We must resist the urge to find someone to blame other than those that have taken power, because they want us to remain divided, as that is exactly what keeps them in power, and it matters not what Party has it.

      • gaetano

        Robert P, You are a genius. Now all you have to do is convince them stupid, brainwashed, idiot, kool aid drinking,dummocrats and that will solve the whole problem. GOOD LUCK!

        • Average Joe

          gaetano,
          I think you used the wrong word…they are Gimmecrats…like a bunch of dependent barnyard chickens…Gimme, Gimme, Gimme…they can be useful tho…they would make great cannon fodder…..Just a thought…lol

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      In reference to the WMD’s, to prove your ignorance, I have to ask you this. When Clinton was president, the UN inspectors went to Iraq, and had a multi sheet inventory of Weapons of Mass Destruction that were there and present in Iraq. Once we invaded, these were no where to be found. So my question is, if they were actually inventoried by the UN peacekeepers, and listed on paper, then they werent there, where did they go? And since they were inventoried, and they were seen, reported and recorded, I guess you lied about a bogus war over WMD’s, because they were there. Or would you rather wait like they did with Hitler and let him take over the whole middle east and control everything before we acted. Geez. Get a life, and let go. Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, they are gone, and have been for a over a year now. They have nothing to do with these scabs running things now that are sinking our military, our economy and generally our hope. Well, let me take one part of that back. Haliburton is still around, because they are best at doing what they do. You dont suppose that had anything to do with the government using them now, do you? You left wing biased nut case. Get a grip. If you want America for Americans like your name says, you cannot seriously want to appoint a muslim non-citizen as president, and condone the horrendous things they have done so far, and will continue to do. Are you serious?

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    While today’s Democrats are generally morally bankrupt leftwing socialists, we know some (like Nelson and Lieberman) are not as bad as others. But sadly, they’ll be bullied into voting with their corrupt party leaders –Nasty Pelosi, Dingy Harry Reid, et al. So I ask: why won’t the GOP use the same strategy? If the Democrat leaders (such as Nasty Pelosi) won’t tolerate members who cross the aisle and vote with us, why do we tolerate Republicans who side with Democrats? To save the GOP and our country, we need to be firm!! Say NO to the environmentalist wackos and Cap & Trade. Say NO to pork barrel and runaway profligate spending. Say NO to National Health Care. Say yes to free market health care reform. Say YES to fiscal responsibility, tax cuts and eliminating absurd regulation. Since the Democrats say NO to us, we MUST always say NO to Pelosi, Reid, BHO and their corrupt communist party!!

  • Buzz

    I think it is time to start tabulating and publishing the names of Senators and Representatives that will be up for reelection in 2010 and 2012 along with their voting records. These names and records should be maintained on an internet website for all to see until the elections and hopefully their respective tenures are finished.

    Buzz

    • RobertP

      A great idea!!

    • gaetano

      Great ideal,I like it .DO IT! Only trouble is that the stupid bummacrats will remember those names and remember to vote for them again.

  • Roy

    There are not enough people left in this country that have not been “trained” by our educational system to mount the kind of offence that is required to take our country back. From the 60′s on, our schools have quit educating and started training our children. The “hippies” of the 60′s now run this nation, much to the sorrow of a multitude of people. The “older” generation is dieing out and is being taken over by people that could care less about the state of this nation as long as they get what they want. They do not understand that the time of “give me everything” is coming to an end. They do not understand that you cannot borrow your way out of debt and you can only “take” someone elses money for so long, till they run out, then you are both lost. They cannot be truelly blamed for their ignorance, because that is the way they were trained. Ask any lawyer about the second amendment, he will tell you that our constitution says there can be no religion in our government, which is a lie that they have been taught as the truth. Actually it says that our government can make no laws concerning religion. In other words, our government cannot establish a church that everyone has to attend. Far from the crap that is being perpetrated as being “constitutional”. Since the 60′s the people of this nation are being trained to be followers, not leaders. They are trained to do what they are told to do. Hitler had the right idea about training the youth of Germany. There’s an old saying, if you control the mind, you control the body. Guess what?

    • chuck b

      i’m one. your right on. the only way we survive as a country is to control the vote. what that means we do not allow people to vote that are not qualified too. this organization “acorn” is a threat to our elective process and should be shut down. people on welfare should not be allowed to vote. if people do not have the ambition to register themselves then they do not vote. illegal’s should not vote under any circumstances, if we allow obama to pass this amnesty bill thru congress it’s all over!! in fact we should have a civil revolution and remove this man from office before he completely destroys this country

      • DaveH

        I would like it if the conservative states that still believe in Constitutional Law would start moving towards seceding from the Union. Let those Liberal states pay for themselves.

        • John

          Liberalism never pays it’s own way.

          • John

            Are you saying that left-wingers pay their own way?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He said liberalism never pays their way. That does mean the left wingers. What is the matter with you. Left wing liberals. Its all the same John.

          • Claire

            Beberoni—you make me laugh. You have a sharp mind. “What is the matter with you. Left Wing Liberals. Its all the same, John.”

        • denniso

          Previously I assumed you were actually sane..now, i know you’re not,based on that idiotic comment about seceding..and it’s actually the more liberal states that pay their way more than the conservative ones.

          • DaveH

            Then you should have no problem supporting yourselves when the other states secede. There’s nothing like putting your money in the place of your mouth to prove how foolish you really are.
            You’re sane. Right. Try to tell an alcoholic that they are alcoholic and see what response you get.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If we working stiffs all get together in states that suceed, I guess cats like you denniso are so screwed, because while your liberal government is screwing you, you are crying out to them to come help you and provide for you like you always have, and they are the reason you are there. Dont you get it?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If that is true, then why is New York and California broke, and why do they pay out more benefits to illegal aliens, unemployed, food stamps and welfare than any other state? Is that what you consider paying their own way? You better think again, because your confused.

    • Joe H.

      Roy,
      don’t be a defeatist!!! If they aren’t educated, then educate them yourself!! If you hear someone say something that is wrong then correct them!(in a nice way at times so you don’t get your butt kicked) but do it!!! remember different news articles and stories to state your case! Educate them!!! I do it all the time and have proven people wrong and will do it as long as it takes!!!! Our congressman here in my district is less than a snake than most but I will not vote for LaTourette just on that!! He has to stop taking money for his district and getting pork! He needs to get to the Conservative roots that repubs are supposed to support or GET OUT!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Isnt it something how all the hippies in the 60′s thought they had the answer then, all LSD’d out and drunk and stoned and infected with STD’s, but hey, they were right, according to them. But now, as you say, they are running things, and still dont have a clue, but think they do. They have created millions of illegitimate bastards running around, with no morals, no guidance, no sense of right or wrong, and they are all democrats. Any wonder why America is going down the tubes? Its all right there in front of us, but political correctness keeps people from speaking out on things, lest they get labeled by the left wing liberal press, who are a bunch of evil wankers.

  • DiverDan

    It is really a shame that the people that voted for OBama did not realize that when he said” It’s time for Change in Washington,” he meant that he was going to change our country into the haves and the have nots. That Means the Govt has it all, the Banks, the Insurance companies, the Medical Industry, the oil Industry, that auto industry, the jobs and everything else, INCLUDING ALL THE MONEY, and us, ” WE THE PEOPLE ” WILL HAVE NOTHING because he was going to change America as we knew it into a socialist, communist, muslim country.
    Everything that we fought for since we began as a country, actually since the revolution to break away from the CONTROL of England, The DEMS WANT TO destroy.
    We need to START & SUPPORT another Political Party that believes in the principals this country was founded on. NOW, and get all of the CORUPTO out of Washington.
    I can not believe that Nelson would sell out the country for the good of his pockets, I mean his state, I can not believe that any of them could sell out the country in the memory of Senator Kennedy, looks like a sympathy vote as the widow of Kennedy is waiting for the bill to pass, BULL. The bill is being RUSHED THRU BECAUSE IT IS VERY FLAWED, AND WE WIL PAY FOR MANY YEARS >>>>UNLESS WE CAN REPEAL IT< JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH PROHABITION
    I believe that we can only do this with a NEW Party. The corruption runs so deep in each party that the people in washington are ONLY IN THE GAME FOR WHAT THEY PERSONALLY can get out of it.
    The pensions they get , the medical benefits are astronomical at least, and we get to pay for them.

    When Michelle Obama said "This is the first time I am proud to be an American" I can honestly say that, after serving in the military for years, I can say that I am NOT proud to be an american since A corrupt system placed an enemy of the state as chief of the state. He, and the political machine, will in no time destroy this country, and turn it into a 3rd world country, Already most of many southern states speak a foreign language, with no intention of learning english.
    ACORN, what a joke, we need to stop funding them, put them out of fixing elections, stop arranging for bad loans,stop registering voters that do not exist.
    I pray that we can last until the next election or impeach him NOW and try to straighten the problems before we really do go BANKRUPT as a country. PROVE WHERE HE WAS BORN. With all of the world starting to get a little nervous about T Bills paying them back, that remains a distinct possibility. China just about owns us now with trade and T-Bills due,and they may not wish to but stock in a potentially bankrupt country.
    I am ready to leave

    • DaveH

      There already is that Party Dan. It’s the Libertarian Party. We believe in Individual Liberty, Individual Responsibility, and Limited Government. See Party Platform:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • JC

        We believe in the Constitution and moral American values.

      • denniso

        Good work DaveH..keep it up and continue to confuse your buddies and help splinter the Repub party. All the better for us. Just wondering, though, don’t you read any history that makes it very clear that 3rd parties don’t get elected?? That’s ok, your allies don’t read either,so you can confuse them easily.

        • DaveH

          Yeah Dumniso, and Marxism has never succeeded either, yet you keep on pushing for it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But wait a minute, denniso, baby, what about the Republicans getting themselves back on course, and the libertarians and them actually working together as a two party system for the betterment of America. Gee, where does that leave the Democrats? Oops. You didnt think of that now, did you, you little liberal you.

          • Claire

            “you little liberal you” — LOL, I am still laughing.

    • RobertP

      This is the first time in my life that I have ever had the same thoughts as you have spoken about leaving this country. It is a very sad time when true Americans are ready to abandon their beloved country after all the blood, sweat, and tears that have been shed to keep it free. I think many are seeing what we are seeing. What will be done, I wonder, if anything CAN be done to save this country now. Dave is right that we need to switch to a new political party, but with the power not actually being behind a political party but behind the rich and powerful (in my opinion), how can we be sure any party won’t sucumb to the same corruption that is obvious everywhere now in Washington? Can you answer that Dave?

      • John

        Robert,

        We are not abandoning our country this current administration has abandoned us, The American People.

        Yes the Republicans hands are not clean either. However, it ‘s not a Republican vs. Democrat thing as many of the left-wingers (basically)think it is. It’s about the leadership and ideology that this administration is imposing on us.

        We sat on our hands too long and slowly let left-wing zealots take over congress. Ok our fault, in speaking for myself I never in my wildest imagination thought that it would come to what it has. Even more frightening is when will it end and how? What will the collateral damage be when its all over?

        I don’t see this as Republican vs. Democrats. I see it as Americans with conservative values, Patriotic Americans that do not like seeing the Constitution being trampled on, Americans that are sick of political correctness undermining our American Traditions.
        These Americans cover a wider populace of the People of this Country than any political party.

        I can no longer sit on my hands, its time too take action.

        • RobertP

          You’re right on there. It’s time to take action. I’ve been active in Tea parties as well as writing and calling my congressman. So far, maybe it has had some affect, but on the other hand it appears that they are still not listening since they plan to, and likely will, pass this bill on Christmas Eve!! Oh the insult and slap in the face this represents to all Americans, especially Christen Americans!! All seniors should be infuriated at this bill as from what I hear it’s the “Hurry up and die” for seniors bill because the death panels of government beauracrats will be in full force.

  • sean murrey

    yeah thats a gift right in the fanny bend here it comes another screwing of american tax payers.

    • John

      Yes, Thank you for the Christmas gift.

      I will gladly reciprocate every way that I legally can to pay you back in the forthcoming year(s). Thank you for energizing me and millions of others. We are still in the process of banding together and we are already the majority.
      We are the American People. We are clearly smarter than you and we will take our country back and uphold the traditions that we stand for and the principles on which this Great Country were founded upon.
      Don’t think we’ll forget each and every one of you.

      Merry Christmas

      • Joe H.

        John,
        AMEN BROTHER!!! I fought for this country for eighteen months and I’ll be DAMNED if I will abandon her in a time of need!!!! (There, There’s a word you can delete!!!)

      • c lee

        John Iam with you brother, tell me when and where. Just let me say the first thing that comes to mind before battle. Semper FI

  • ONTIME

    It’s not hard to see that so many feel thay are being screwed by so few, the congressional pimps and whores have prostituted themselves for your benefit, so they say and the Real Republicans are voicing their dissatisfaction with the left. There are some republicans having a bit of problem with the earmark category, so they too are not in earnest with all that has come about, this is a lot like exposing Tiger woods’ sex life, there is a lot under the covers that the MSM would never talk about. There is more yet to come, the all encompasssing voting act and then the Amnesty act to test your rights and liberties by the left majority.

    So now we are are having harsh words and ugly encounters, the same kind of whap and slap that proceeded the Civil War, partisanship was a high point and the spirited arguments were rampant. To be honest with you we are going to have a civil cultural war like it or not, let’s get on with it, this coming election will be one of great differences and most likely the act of voting will be one that will try men’s souls. Those who poffered this health care fascism are going to try and use these same thug tactics to wreak havoc at the ballot box and I expect Americans to come forth to put their thoughts as to what will stand and what won’t to the test.

    Freedom is kept by those who exercise the willingness to maintain it by knowledge of history and the honor of their heritage.

  • JACK W BARNES

    HAVE READ ALL THE ABOVE WRITINGS AND AM SIMPLY FLABBERGASTED BY SOME OF THE THINGS SAID. LETS FACE IT, WE;THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED FOR. THE MASIAH TOLD US WHAT HE WOULD DO IF ELECTED AND HE IS DOING EXACTLY THAT.I ALSO THINK BOTH PARTIES ARE HYPOCRITES AND ALL OF THOSE WEASELS SHOULD BE SENT HOME IN 2010..LETS DO IT!

    • Joe H.

      Jack W. Barnes!!!!
      You are full of shite!!!! I didn’t vote for this worthless leader at all. I didn’t ask for any of this!!! I went out and talked to people till I was blue in the face and tried to talk them out of it but when the repubs and independents run two old men that don’t have a chance in hell of winning then what can I do???

      • American Citizen

        The thing is, the people who voted in the primaries are responsible for the Reps. having two old men who ran. By the time the primary got to our state, it was a done deal. I still voted for my candidate even though he had pulled out. The primaries all need to be run on the same date just as the final election is. Too many people see who is in the lead and vote for the “winner”. That would stop that kind of crap.

        • Jana

          American Citizen, I agree with you on this. They should all be run the same day so we can all have our vote count. This is a real sore spot for me.

  • John

    I did not ask for this.

    I did my research before I voted and I did not vote for the Communist.

    And the so-called, sanctimonious Messiah did NOT do exactly what he said he would do. He lied!!!

    Remember that he said he would have the debates concerning Healthcare reform televised and that he would reach across party lines to get things done?

    Those are just a few of his many and ongoing lies!!!

  • John

    Let us not ammuse ourselves of the thought that Obama is the Anti-christ. He is not. We would all be infatuated with him if that were the case. I’ve read enough today to know that is NOT true.

    • John

      Obama IS the Anti-Christ, Anti-American, Socialist Dictator.

      The other John is a fraud!

  • James Corbin

    Obama, said if any one had any other suggestions concerning health care —-he would like to hear them! HELLO–He wouldn’t listen to what the republicans had to say and did everything behind closed doors. Those Senators that took the sweetheart deals—-If I would be from their state I would not vote for them come November. The
    Senators said it would help their states but, what about the seniors
    that won’t get good health care.

    • Robin

      James, didn’t he also say something about being transparent. That the American people would know everything they were doing no secrets, ha ha what a joke everything has been done behind closed doors. We are so screwed.

      • Average Joe

        Robin says:
        December 22, 2009 at 3:00 am
        James, didn’t he also say something about being transparent.

        That is the only true statement he made….most of us can see right through him.

  • Raggs

    We can all move to Nebraska where Nelson’s deal will be a freebie for the taxpayer’s….. OH that is just sickening.. Another liberal sell-out… How about louisianna?.. all the craw fish you can eat and old crow to wash it down with….Thats no good either!!!…
    We can move to Kenya…opps…Too many family members…It migth get ugly… Well I’m outta ideas unless we move obama back to kenya?

    • American Citizen

      Raggs, Obama and all his czars need to move to Kenya. I wonder how the people there would receive them.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Obama’s picture is in every hut. Its the hometown boy has made it big thing there.

  • Larry

    Barring something really big….health care is a done deal. I have voted Rep, Dem, Ind….and even voted for Ralph Nader once. I always voted for what I perceived to be the best man at the time. I will guarantee you one thing. I will never vote for a Dem again. Am I afraid of Obama, not really…..what I am is petrified of all the Socialist, Marxist, and way left progressive’s he has placed as his Czars and all the people they have placed in various positions that are quietly making fundemental changes and formulating plans for our lives that we will never see until it’s to late. There are hundreds if not thousands of them in place as you read this.

    • Palin12

      I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. I will never vote for another democrat, not even for dog-catcher. Until recently I thought there might be a small handful of good dems that are ok. Then Nelson sold out. Never again!

      • denniso

        Palin…she’s a daffy fool. Run her and see how you lose again. And,not to worry,educated and civilized people won’t ever vote for any Repubs as long as they remain the party of extremist wackos.

        • John

          Denso,

          You are entitled to your opinion, but unfortunately for you people your views of Sarah Palin are shared by the minority.

        • DaveH

          Dumniso,
          Obama’s poll numbers have hit an all-time low at a 56% disapproval rating:
          http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats ok denniso, I know why your scared of her. I know why your whole party is scared of you. She is everything good that your party could never be. Palin/McCain would have won. The Republicans screwed up.

          • Robin

            Beberoni, you bet he’s afraid of her, all the Libs are.

    • denniso

      Get your numbers straight..there are not hundreds or thousands of czars…

      • Jana

        den, he didn’t say there were hundreds and thousands of Czars, you misread what he said, which is normal for you.

        Each Czar appoints more people to work under him/her. After all, we can’t expect them to do their dirty deeds all by themselves can we? No, they need help and guess who gets to pay their salaries too?? We the poor sap tax payers.

  • Phil4US

    This is what you get when you keep voting career politicians into office. In 2010 and 2012 we must vote out the incumbents. This bill is a direct violation of our constitution… the document Obama claims that is flawed. We need to replace these self serving con-artists with citizen representatives who represent the common folk and not special lobbies and who don’t subvert the constitution.

  • Robin

    Sorry Lynn, but waiting 9 months for a MRI does not sound like great health care to me

  • Gayla

    I am so sorry to hear that Democrats are being “paid off” to vote for the ObamaHealthCare Plan. Can we make any differance? When will the legislators take the blinders off and realize what we are headed for?

    I will contact my representatives again and right now I think prayer will play a big roll in what happens.

    • David Hall

      Gayla, I wish folks could call their representatives and it would make
      a different. Both parties are like little children, sitting around staring at a birthday cake, there’s cake crumbs on all their fingers.
      The Republicans are just playing the good guys for now. If we can see
      what’s going on with our freedoms and liberties, they can. What is being done is unconstitutional and no one will, step to the plate, &
      say they should start impeachment hearing on messiah obama and his angels. Truth is, we have no LEADERS, just puppets, willing and ready
      to get their stings pulled on both sides of the fence.

  • gaetano

    Its simply amazing,how about 435 people in government can control 360 million americans. We could wipe them out in 5 minutes.But we are missing something and guess what that someting is ? Balls!!!!!!

    • Average Joe

      gaetano, And…Unity…safety in numbers

    • denniso

      Did you ever take a civics or gov’t class?? Most modern societies have representatives that are elected by the people to run gov’t and make law..they aren’t elected to do precisely what any group at any time desires. Lucky for all of us,you blabbers don’t have any power except for your vote every 2 yrs.
      And,of course,another threat of violence from you people…

      • DaveH

        The representatives sure aren’t elected to do what the voters don’t want. Have you taken any classes at all? You certainly are ignorant for a person that claims to have gone to college.
        Anyway, we shall see next year.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What college did you go to, Drunken State University? In the sorority Intoxicus Continuous?

  • David Hall

    Well, I read almost all these comments. Left-wing loon-tunes vs Right-wing conservatives, few moderates, few libertarians. One thing is for
    sure, these left-wing loon-tunes are going to pay, & be taxed, taxed and more tax, right along with the rest of us, starting immediately.
    But so sad to say, we want have this love everybody, save everybody,
    OBAMA-CARE till 2014. It’s kinda like a boat sinking, or maybe a plane
    crashing, I don’t mine going down, as long as it is filled up with a
    boat or plane load of them idiots that VOTED for this fill-in-the-blank. And guess what folks, there’s more of the same s**t coming.
    Want it be fun to debate this great CAP & TAX, that has already passed
    the house. Boy, again to you idiots that voted for your fill-in-the-blank, he’s just doing an outstanding job, ain’t he? Oh! by the way,
    your fill-in-the-blank said he was going to end the wars, if elected,
    our troops are still at war, plus sending 30,000 plus. He tricked you
    again, didn’t he? It’s no longer Bush’s wars, it’s your fill-in-the-
    blank wars, now.

    • Time

      David,

      Great way of looking at this issue. Whats really sad is I know many Democrats, of them 50% voted Republican for the first time in their life. The other’s are now asking; WHAT HAVE I DONE! Guess what they will not be voting Democrat again.

      That says more than any words anyone can post. As well its strange that the Democrats have been pushing the first law suit for his BIRTH CERTIFICATE, thats going to the S C. But that minor detail seems to go over looked, ever ask why that is?
      Ever ask who the Clerk that tossed the paper work out is?

  • Raggs

    $10.00 say’s that when healthcare cap-n-tax and the climate treaty bankrupt the US he will blame Bush and the republicians for this as well…

  • John

    Mr. Livingston,

    Could you please fix this? The same thing happened yesterday.

    I am NOT the John that wrote the following:

    Let us not ammuse ourselves of the thought that Obama is the Anti-christ. He is not. We would all be infatuated with him if that were the case. I’ve read enough today to know that is NOT true.

    • DaveH

      John,
      You need to distinguish your name. It may be more expensive to give everybody unique UserIDs. But in the meantime, change your name to JohnGalt or something that is unlikely to be duplicated.

  • Happy

    It’s another sad issue for America. Get ready to be poor. Let’s see, who is taking all the American’s wealth? I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT WE PUT OUR TRUST IN GOD. PRAY FOR THIS U.S.A FOLKS!

  • Reggie Ayres

    The problem is much larger than most realize. It is all part of a plan that was started by the Rothchilds Banking Dynasty and implemented through the Freemasons. The plan in a nutshell is to have a one world government, one world army, one world bank, and total control over every person on the planet. This has been slowly done through such organizations as the council on foriegn relations, the trilatteral commission, the club of rome, the bilderberger, and most of all, the united nations. Copenhagen may have not achieved agreement on emmissions but more importantly ( to the globalists ) it created the framework that ends the soverienty of our nation. The world health organization is controlling what food you will eat, what medicine you will have, who will live and who will die. The end game is to reduce world population by 80%. The EU is an example of what is coming to the usa. The north american union is coming soon. The plan is eight world unions that will then morph into one control grid that will monitor every persons life through chip implants and massive data bases that are being placed as I write. The whole thiong is done by creating a crisis ( false flag ) which scares the population into demanding a response. Then the ones who created the problem offer the solution which always involves loss of freedoms and more government control. The powers that be have used this theme for a very long time over and over again. All the wars have been created by these elite bankers who always finance both sides just as they do now. Just ask yourself what was the time that the government ever did ANYTHING that benefited the citizens of this country? It is all about neverending war against a make believe enemy somewhere else in the world. Why are we spending money we don’t have to kill brown skinned people that don’t even have a real military? No air force, no navy, no nothing but oil in the ground. Its not republican or democrat policy, it is illuminati policy. Don’t you know what the federal reserve truly is?
    It is not a government agency. It is the private bank of Rothchild.
    We as a nation are in serious trouble. Heathcare reform is small bananas in comparison to the bigger picture. The answer? STOP PLAYING ALONG. STOP SENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO THE EVIL DOERS. They cannot take over if we do not cooperate. It is that simple.

  • Merl Elton

    Passing this terrible healthcare bill that is unConstituional and against the will of the people is a quick, brazen and defiant coup. Then again that is how communists and socialists operate and succeed in taking over. They trample upon history, tradition, the people and their will; somewhat like a form of rape. This bill was bought and obtained through money, treats, deceit, and outright and unabashed thuggery hidden in many cases as sweetness, friendliness, and the humble desire to help. When in fact this bill will financially compromise and break younger people; and endanger and kill senior citizens because of lack and denial of adequate healthcare services. People will pay much more for lower quality or substandard health care, when they can get it. This bill is therefore a massive tax increase in disguise to fund irresponsible spending and lining cronies’ already fat pockets with more money at the expense of taxpayers. When will people get it that Democrates are the party of socialism and big spending. They know what is best for you; now be civil; shut up and listen. Don’t worry about not affording a nice vacation or any extras because that money will go to taxes and you will be too busy and tired to fight them from working more than one job to get by. That is your only hope and meager change rather than dollars is what you will get. Promise you the moon but give you green cheese.

  • Merl Elton

    Both parties are to blame from trampling the will of the people and disregarding the Constitution. Government by and for the people is just an inconvenient andr outdated sentiment to today’s politicians. Many politicians don’t know about or care to know about the traditional history of this country. Many are foreigners and can’t relate or don’t care. This is why it is important to embrace our heritage and culture; and to teach traditional history and conservative culture in schools; and not history as it is taught today in texts revised by socialist scholars. We must never sacrifice who we are as people; and our traditions and culture for the whims of fickle politicians who stand to make enormus financial gains from sacrifices that will make us weaker.

  • tessie

    This is for Fool re: Article 1, sec.2 (3/5′s of a person) in the constitution. The 14th amendment, ratified July 9,1868, changed this.
    I guess you are still uninformed.

    • Average Joe

      tessie says:
      December 22, 2009 at 12:11 pm,

      You are right, the 14th Amendment change it alright, it created a whole new class of people (I am not tlking about Slaves becomming “Citizens”).I am taliking about the change in status from being “state citizens” to becomming “Federal Citizens”. After the 14th Amendment was passed (never properly ratified). We all became citizens of the Federal Government instead of being citizens of our states as was the original intent of the framers. I refuse to be a 14th Amendment “Citizen”. If you have any doubts about this go here and read “Historical Outline” for a little insight about the Ramifications of the Civil War and the Effects on the American People:

      http://www.teamlaw.org/

      • John

        Joe & Tessie,

        You’re both correct. As I said yesterday on one of my posts, we are clearly smarter than the left-wing zealots!

        Imagine if they got their facts straight, how many would be enlightened and come to the “right” side literally?

        If they just did their homework they wouldn’t be so ignorant.

        • Average Joe

          John,
          Many years ago , after the Warren Commission Report on the assasination of JFK, a reporter asked one of the commision members”What will happen when the American people read this report and realize that Oswald probably did not Assasinate JFK?” The reply, “Simple, the American people….do not read”….ladies and gentlemen….therein lies the fundamental problem in this nation…..WE DON’T READ.Everyone relies on 30 second soundbites for their information and can’t be bothered to actually research to find out if those soundbite are in fact the truth.

  • http://www.stanelaine.com Stan B

    Well done Reggie Ayres. Good comments all round. We need to find an effective way to make the other 98% of the population aware that Government is not the answer to our problems, IT IS THE PROBLEM!

    Consider two examples of Government corruption and their startling similarities…considering that they are 96 years apart.

    The 2009 HEALTHCARE REFORM Bill.. is being deviously concocted behind closed doors. Corrupt officials are working overtime & weekends constantly amending & re-wording the Bill. A non-existant urgency has been created to expedite ratification before dawn, and before the people WAKE UP and realize what has happened. Ratification is planned & timed during the Holiday season when most people are distracted by family activites & festivities.

    The 1913 FEDERAL RESERVE Bill (3 years of planning) was also underhandedly planned in secret. It was also re-amended to appease any oppostion among those officials that were paying attention at the time. It was later re-amended AFTER it was passed. (The then) President Woodrow Wilson realized his folly too late. (Look up Colonel House for that story)

    The startling similarities between these two disasterous events should be evident to anyone who has taken the time to do a little History research. It has nothing at all to do with the Republicans or the Democrats, because, regardless of which party is in power, they BOTH receive their directives from the same ENTITY! The same ENTITY that has “masterminded” both the FEDERAL RESERVE and the HEALTHCARE REFORM Bills!!!

    We need to stop playing the blame game. We need to stop petty partisan bickering. These are distractions that serve only to draw us away from the critical issues that need to be addressed. This same ENTITY wants us to be distracted because it is part of their strategy. While Bush is blamed for this, Obama is blamed for that. Oh, and let’s not forget the Clinton woes…and on and on…ad infinitum. All these men are members of the same ENTITY that gives them their marching orders!
    Almost all key positions in Government, Industry, Military and Wall St. are held by these men. These men (and women) are members of the CFR and Trilateral Commission. They are the government behind the government………. THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT!!
    If there is anyone who is not yet aware of these facts,may I suggest (again) that you do the research and draw your own conclusions,and it would behoove you to do it with an unbiased and open mind. The point is, we need more people to be aware of the real problems facing our nation BEFORE we can consider solutions to these problems. Right now we are only looking at the symtoms and not the causes.

  • American mother, teacher and wife

    We need the government to quit taking our lives over. Obama has already shown his incompetence many times over. He had no business getting involved with Gates and the police incident. That is only showing his bigatry. Americans have told Washington NO to any health care plan. We don’t need anymore illegals and allowing the to take more of the money each and every American works for. I was in line at the store and watched as the Hispanics used food stamps to buy two buggies of food that I can’t afford to buy. Then after they used the food stamps to get more than I can, I watched as the gentleman took out his pay check for $500 to be cashed. I have to use my pay check to buy my groceries, I can’t pocket it like he could. Something wrong here. DEFINATELY!!!! Obama is not a citizen himself so why should he understand any of these problems. He needs to go back into hiding since he was never heard of before the elections. He has lied so many times he doesn’t know the truth when it hits him in the face. He is destroying America for our children and grandchildren. We are so far in debt mow even our great-great grandchildren will never see the end of it. We give away money to every country and illegal companies such as ACORN and fill their pockets and steal from ours when our country doesn’t have money for its citizens. We can only pay so many taxes and have money to live on. In fact the reason our country was founded was unfair taxes. We need more people with backbone because most of our congressmen and ladies don’t have any to stand for what their own people want, the reason they were voted in was for the people they supposedly serve. Congress even votes in their own raises while the rest of us are suppose to work day without pay. Something is wrong and we need Americans who will stand for something and stop this activity. We need American to get on its knees and ask for Godly wisdom and guidance along with forgiveness for disregarding him. We better wake up it may already be too late. I love America and my family has always worked and paid our way but America doesn’t want to work any more they want handouts and it’s OK and I don’t care as long as it doesn’t botter me and mine. We have selfish children who thinks everyone owes them something because we have parents who give them everything they want and there doesn’t have to be any consequences or accountability. We allow parents and their children to show little or no respect for anyone and expect the schools to teach when money is not there for needed supplies, the teachers are always at fault, give them more test to see if they are good enough or not. Test don’t make teachers. A concern for children do but it is hard to do when they are cussed, not allowed to discipline them, accused of lying about things that their children do while the child sits at a conference and smiles knowing he is guility as mom and dad blames the teacher and tells the teacher they believe their child over them.
    These are areas of concern but who cares.

    • Jana

      American Mother—, I can tell you have been there and have experienced it. You have stated the truth. Parents have failed their children in so many ways. Now, our children will have to pay dearly for their parents mistakes.

    • denniso

      ‘We need the gov’t to stop taking over our lives’?? Did you howl when Bush/Cheny started listening in on any telephone conversation they wanted to w/ no court order,and then lied about it when discovered? Did you whine when Bush/Cheny decided they could force public libraries to turn over lists of books checked out by citizens? Did you scream when Bush/Cheny sent American boys and girls to their deaths in Iraq w/ an illegal invasion of a country that had nothing at all to do w/ 9/11?? NO, I didn’t think so. Bush/Cheny,the war criminals, are Repubs after all. Such blatant hypocrisy it’s amazing!!

      • American Citizen

        From whence do you get your information? They did not listen in to any conversations other than if a call was placed to a known terrorist or terrorist cell or organization. That’s how they caught some of them. Obama is dismantling the safety procedures that have kept us from being attacked again. The problem is, there are cells in this country waiting for the word to attack. Get your head out of the sand.

        • denniso

          Am Cit…you’re flat wrong!! Bush had intel agencies listening in to anyone they wanted,not only if a suspect was on the other end. You aren’t paying attention to the real news. It’s common knowledge now. And ‘Bush kept us safe’?? So, just under 3000 died in 9/11..Between the two wars we’ve had more than 5000 killed and 80,000+ maimed. Are those young Americans ‘safe’??? Bush and Cheny are war criminals for lying and fabricating intel and sucked Dems into supporting the Iraq war.

      • Robin

        Denniso, did’t the Dems vote to go to war also? I believe they did. Bush and Cheney kept us safe for 8 years. Do I agree with George Bush on everything, no I don’t, I don’t think he was conservative enough he spent way too much even so he was a far better president then Obama.
        Sorry but your guy is a Marxist, our country will never be the same and not in a good way. It just kills me how you Dems are alway so conserned about innocent people dying but it’s perfectly fine for a baby to be pulled limb by limb from their mothers womb, That life means nothing. As far as taking care of the poor, conservative are far more giving. Dems just want to spend other peoples money. Denniso, even though we would never agree on anything I would like to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New.

        • denniso

          Robin, Merry Xmas to you and happy new year…But, Obama is no marxist and couldn’t have been elected if he were..he’s a liberal,which means he cares about people and the planet and the country. Liberals are not marxists. All Dems are not pro choice and the ones who are,are so because they don’t want the Gov’t to impose it’s will on a woman’s body..they believe that a woman owns her body and decisions about it are between her and her doctor. Repubs and libertarians who believe in freedom for individuals should recognize that position as credible. If a woman’s choice about her body is taken over by the gov’t there would still be abortions…back alley,unsafe and illegal. Do we want the Gov’t to have yet more authority over our personal lives? You and others think that there is already too much gov’t control,yet you want to hand over more, and for one of the most personal aspects of life at that. No one favors abortion per se,but the right of women to control their bodies,and like it or not,a fetus and baby are part of her body. Do any anti choice people favor monitoring all pregnant women for how well they maintain their health??Are they drinking,taking drugs,engaging in reckless behavior,not eating well?? If you are actually so concerned about the babies then why not lobby the gov’t to get into that part of a woman’s life? It couldn’t work,could it?

          • jim

            Denniso, A fetus is just a part of the mothers body? A fetus is an indivisual person, who is highly dependent on the mothers body. When your mother was pregnant with you, were you an inivisual or just something to be removed, like a wart? Pro-Lifers donn’t want to control the mother as much as to protect the unborn boy or girl. As for back ally abortions go, alot of murders are commited in back allys. As far as keeping abotion safe, I would like it to be 100% safe, asit is now every one of them has a 100% casulty rate for the baby,

          • denniso

            Jim…A fetus is not ‘just’ part of a woman’s body,it is an actual part of the womans body until it is delivered as a living baby…neither you nor the state has control over the womans body any more than the state has control over your body,an essential part of liberty,freedom,privacy. Why don’t you address the point I made about the state involvement in a pregnant woman’s health and behavior if they are allowed to control the woman’s choice about HER baby?? As much as no one favors abortion it has to be up to the woman..it’s HER body,not yours,not the state’s. Would you favor state control that tells you that you can or can’t get a vasectomy because there is a moral or population issue? I doubt it.

          • jim

            Denniso, You say that a fetus is a part of the mother until born alive. It is alive in order to develope to be srong enough to come into the world.It is still an indivisual being.He or she doesn’t have to have the umbilicle cord cut to become an indivisual human being, with the right to life. As to not addressing the point about the state controling the mothers behavior while she is pregnant is because it is a way to change the subject without you actually refuting the point I made,It’s more about protecting the baby than controling the mother.

          • denniso

            I assume you mean to say ‘individual’,not indivisual…Other than making abortion illegal,how would you protect the baby in the mothers womb,if the mother engages in risky behavior? My point is, it can’t work..even if you ban abortion,there will still be abortions,jusy riskier. Then if you want to further protect all fetuses you would have to put all pregnant women under control of the state..Have you heard of fetal alcohol syndrome? Have you heard of babies born addicted to crack and heroin? Millions of babies born every yr in an addicted state. Where is the law protecting those babies? You can’t do it. Outlawing a womens choice to carry a baby or not does not protect all babies.

          • jim

            Denniso, That is The problem. There is no law protecting these babys. Until 1973 it was illegal to have an abortion and yes, there were illegal abortions done, but not on the scale there is now. Since 1973, 50 million. What is the reason for the talk about addicted babys, just because you can’t control that,we should just go ahead and let the babys be killed too? I can’t just give up on them the way you can.Just because we can’t help them all doesn’t mean we shouldn’t help the ones we can.Because of the spelling correction can I say you see the point of the individual?

          • denniso

            Jim…they are not your babies. They belong to the women before and after they are born. Men have no idea and right to tell a woman what to do w/ HER BODY. There are hundreds of millions of babies living and dying in destitution and tortuous conditions every day..help them. It amazes me that the right wing is so concerned about unborn babies in this country and then after they’re born they’re left to the whim of the ‘free market’ that leaves millions behind in poverty and lacking healthcare and a higher education. Do something about that and leave women alone to make the tough decisions about their own bodies.

          • Robin

            denniso, look up the word Marxist in the dictionary. Sure sounds like Obama to me. In fact it sounds alot like what the Dems believe. The U.S. House of Representatives consist of four socialist organizations: the Congressional Progressive Caucus,the Congressional Black Caucus,the Democratic Socialists of America,and the Democratic Progressive Caucus. Socialism has never worked, People flee from it and come to the United States because it is the best place on God’s green earth to live,because we are free I hate to think we could lose our freedom because people think we should all be the same. That is not how God has wired us,and that is why Socializim fails. As far as your thoughts on the government watching women when they are pregnant to make sure they take care of themselves,no,I would not be for that.
            But believe me I do care about women,and I know abortion hurts women more then it helps them. I have seen thse women broken and hurting many years after an abortion. You see denniso, it is not natural for a woman to kill her own child. Like the bumper sticker says ” It’s a Child not a Choice.

          • jim

            Hi Denniso, I see you still can’t get past the part that the body growing inside the mother is a seperate person. Just because the umbilical cord hasn’t been cut yet doesn’t make them any less human. No one says the poor mother needs to raise the child, Many couples who can’t have babies would love to adopt,as of now they have to go to other countrys because here we just kill the unwanted babies. 50 million so far, one sixth of the U.S. population.As for you telling me to help care for the ones that are out there I donate to charities that do just that, do you? As soon as the umbilial cord is cut it legaly is murder to kill the child, I guess by your standards to be human requires a belly button.One thing that seperates humans from other animals is we have a soul. When do we rcieve that soul, at conception or when the cord is cut or somewhere in between? If its sometime before it’s aborted are you willing to bet yuor eternal soul on it?

          • denniso

            Jim…A couple of million people,kids included,have been killed in car wrecks since Vietnam…53,000 americans killed there and 1,000,000 vietnamese. 5,000 americans killed in the current wars w/ a couple hundred thousand civilians as well. Do they have souls? Have you railed against those terrible deaths and millions more horribly maimed?? The woman whose body grows a baby is the only one who can decide what to do. If you are conservative,do you really want to give the state more power over individual liberty? Besides,like I’ve said before, it’s an extremely slipperly slope when you start to tell women what to do w/ their bodies..whare do you stop? Lock them up for the duration of their pregnancy to ensure a healthy baby?? It’s no joke.

          • jim

            Denniso, Yes the people who die in accidents have souls,but they weren’t killed on purpose , like an abortion. People die in wars and that to is tragic. I don’t see that because people that there mother let live, sometimes die tragicly is a logical reason to say it’s OK then to just kill them before they get born. I don’t know if you are just trying to win an argument, or if you just can’t grasp the idea that a fetus is a human with the right to live. Some times one persons rights conflict with anothers. I’m not so much trying to infringe on the mothers rights as to protect the rights of the baby. It is the mothers body that the baby is developing in, but it is a seperate person that is not her body.Until 1973 abortion was illegal and society seemed to move along OK. All the car wreaks and all the wars and all the ethnic cleansings probably don’t add up to 50 million.Why do go off and say something really absurd like locking women up that are pregnant is the only way we could help protect the unborn, just another diversionary tactic? It’s plain to see neather one of us is going to convince the other , so I’ll just sign off and let you get the last word( as misguided as it will be) in. Nice visiting with you. Unwanted pregnacys, they know what causes them, now.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        None of that bugged me a bit. What, does your conscience bother you or something? Im all for everything you listed, even though you lied and called it an illegal war. You know, the one all the democrats voted to go fight in? Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, Howard Dean, Joe Biden. They all stood there on live TV and cried from the mountaintops, how this Saddam guy had to be stopped and how he had WMD’s. Yeah, did you somehow sleep through all of that dumniso? You have selected memory, Ill say that.

  • DaveH

    I was reminded of something this evening. For decades I had to endure listening to Democrats on the MSM whining about how important “Bipartisanship” was. I knew full well that was only because they were in the minority.
    Now they have the chance to prove their Bipartisan desires and what do they do? Of course, they completely exclude the Republicans from the Health Care process. What colossal Hypocrites!
    It is so obvious that what they really want is complete domination of our country and our freedom.

  • Palin12

    A special Christmas song for Fool and Dumbniso….sung to the tune of “Little Drummer Boy”….

    “Get a job, you bum,bum,bum,bum.
    Money don’t grow on trees you bum bum bum bum.
    I am a poor boy too you bum bum bum bum
    Bum bum bum bum, bum bum bum bum.”

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And I would add the line:
      Obama will give to you,
      From what he takes from my mom,
      you bum, bum, bum, bum.

  • http://Beltleash.com Joseph R Carreiro Sr

    Talk or any debate between the Senate and the House will no longer work in Washington. The only thing that will work is a gathering of all the American people and tell Washington Government what they really want. Don’t just tell them,show them so they will have no way to say they do not understand. The elected officials do work for the people of America and not the other way around. The power they have in Washington is nearly demonic. Pushing all these bills down the throats of the Americans populace is enough to give anyone double heartburn and nothing is out there to cure this malady except the power of the American people. Use it or Lose it.

  • denniso

    The health reform bill isn’t perfect,but it is a start and it will be signed into law in a month or so…despite all the repubs stalling and most of you people here screaming against it. Get used to it,we’ll have almost universal health insurance for the first time ever in this country. Finally!! The rightwingers might as well move on to another fight.

    • Palin12

      The liberals always chant about a woman having the right to choose what to do with her own body. I want the same right. If I CHOOSE not to pay for a health insurance policy that is my right! I have taken reasonably good care of my health through the years and I’m not paying one red cent for those who deliberately have not taken care of themselves, i.e. 400 pound slobs waddling around, crack-heads, and homosexuals with various STDs. We the people will not “just get used to it”. The minute Barack Hussein Obama signs this travesty into law, its constitutionality will be challenged in the Supreme Court on MANY grounds, starting with the sweetheart deal for Nebraska.

    • jim

      It’s the start of the decline.

  • Vinnie

    ‘denniso’ the useful idiot is a moron that doesn’t understand the bill isn’t about Healthcare it’s about CONTROL and POWER you F#@KING MORON! You will PAY for healthcare or GO TO JAIL/FINED 8000.00PR YR. under this so-called “Bill”. And YOU WILL BE MICRO-CHIPPED which keeps track of your ‘vaccines’,health status, etc. etc….DUMMY.

    CORRUPT COMMUNIST CONGRESS AND SENATE… YOUR BEING WATCHED MORE CLOSELY NOW THAN AT ANYTIME IN HISTORY.
    PASS THIS ILLEGAL LEGISLATION AND YOUR DONE AS PUBLIC SERVANT. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR CORRUPTION AND DESPICABLE WAYS.

    • denniso

      you sound angry…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But you speak as of someone that is stupid.

    • David Hall

      Vinnie, it is so nice to read, somebody calling a spade, a spade. I was
      going down reading folks comments, and everytime, I read DENNISO’S, I
      thought, man, what damn hole, did he crawl out of. Just, think there are millions just like him. It’s strange, but when anybody writes about
      states should secede from the Government, he crys and wets his pants. Seems to me, he should be happy about it. He could stick with his obama
      government that stands for people control and the states that would secede would stand for Freedom. Then, I could care less what happens to
      him and the rest of these obama followers and Bush haters. Man, it would be nice without em.

  • Claire

    You know, we wouldn’t even have this conversation if people would use birth control. What is wrong with using common sense?

    • David Hall

      Claire, the mo childrens, they have, the mo money they get. Before, Obama is done destroying and giving the wealth away, I’m sure they’ll be a New Baby-Boom Generation!

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