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The Ryan Delusion

August 28, 2012 by  

The Ryan Delusion
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Representative Paul Ryan’s voting record shows that he harbors no love for the Bill of Rights.

With the Olympic Games behind them, Americans have returned their attention to the stage of political theater. One of the opening acts of the 2012 election season will take place this week in Tampa, Fla., where serial flip-flopper Mitt Romney is expected to be anointed the executive standard bearer for the alleged “Party of Great Moral Ideas.”

Despite the plethora of evidence proving that he is cut from the same statist mold as Barack Obama, Romney continues to be hailed as a “great conservative” and the vaunted “lesser of two evils.” Republicans — as well as some libertarians and constitutionalists — point to Romney’s selection of Representative Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) for Vice President as a sign of his commitment to limited government principles. Upon closer inspection, Ryan — who has been touted as the “intellectual leader” of the Republican Party and a budget hawk — has all the trappings of a textbook neocon.

Ryan faithfully toes the chicken hawk foreign policy line of nation building and bloody foreign interventions. He voted to invade Iraq in 2002, voted against any attempt to establish a withdrawal date from Iraq in 2007 and voted for “emergency” appropriation of $78 billion dollars to fund the illegal and immoral wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan. In keeping with the foremost neocon prerequisite, Ryan is more than happy to send young American soldiers off to fight and die while he, as a healthy and able-bodied American patriot, could not be bothered to carry a rifle and fight for the principles he claims to hold near and dear to his heart.

For someone who is being embraced in some circles as a libertarian, Ryan’s voting record shows that he harbors no love for the Bill of Rights — or any facet of individual liberty, for that matter. This is the man who voted for the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act and its infamous indefinite detention provision, voted to make the Patriot Act permanent and voted in favor of using electronic surveillance on Americans without a duly approved search warrant. Under this criteria Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Generalissimo Franco, Kim Jong Il and Saddam Hussein were all staunch civil libertarians.

“Now hold your horses there, MacCormack,” some “libertarians” will say. “Paul Ryan may not be perfect, but at least he’s a staunch defender of free enterprise. The CATO Institute said so!”

Ladies and gentlemen, if CATO told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? It should be noted that the CATO Institute is widely panned by genuine libertarians and freedom lovers as a peddler of the faux “libertarianism” advocated from within the Capital Beltway. In order to curry favor with the Washington establishment, CATO has stumped for the following: torture, expansion of the surveillance state, a war with Pakistan, and the fiat currency factory known as the Federal Reserve.

But I’ve digressed… back to our buddy Ryan. Contrary to CATO’s claim, his voting record proves that he is more a Keynesian than a disciple of Ayn Rand. In 2008, he voted for the Bush stimulus bill, TARP and the auto bailout. Ryan even took to the House floor to pathetically beg his colleagues in Congress to support TARP. He echoed George W. Bush’s convoluted logic, stating:

Madam Speaker, this bill offends my principles. But I’m going to vote for this bill — in order to preserve my principles, in order to preserve this free enterprise system…. I believe with all my heart — as bad as this is — it could get a whole lot worse, and that’s why we have to pass this bill.

If only it ended there. Ryan also backed the disastrous No Child Left Behind Act, which essentially bribed the public schools into passing their most deficient students in exchange for government goodies. The proof is in the pudding for that one: Just ask any American student who George Washington is. And for the grand finale: Paul voted in favor of Bush’s massive expansion of Medicare which, coupled with Romneycare, set the precedent for Obamacare.

No genuine libertarian, constitutionalist or freedom lover of any kind believes in any of the nonsense supported by collectivists like Ryan and his keeper, Romney. All of the passionate “anybody but Obama” rhetoric notwithstanding, a Romney/Ryan Administration would serve only to slow America’s drive off the cliff into moral and financial bankruptcy down from 100 mph to 90 mph. Ryan’s much-ballyhooed budget would continue massive deficit spending for another 25 years at the least. But, of course, he and Romney “aren’t quite as bad” as Obama.

The bottom line is: There was only one man named Paul who was worth supporting this year. I think you know who I’m talking about.

“Oh here we go again, MacCormack,” I hear many of you whining. “That crazy kook had no chance! We’ve got to vote for the lesser of two evils! Romney’s not so bad!”

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. To think otherwise is downright foolish. After all, the Bible says in Isaiah 5:20: “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness.”

“Well then, what’s your solution, big shot?” you’ll retort. It’s simple: Don’t vote. When you pull that lever for Collectivist A or Collectivist B, you are giving your consent to their respective liberty-destroying agendas. As Lew Rockwell so astutely observed in a recent column:

How does voting change the situation? Neither of the candidates for president wants to do anything about the problem. On the contrary, they want to make it worse. This is for a reason. The State owns the “democratic process” as surely as it owns the Departments of Labor and Defense and uses it in ways that benefit the State and no one else.

On the other hand, we do have the freedom not to vote. No one has yet drafted us into the voting booth. I suggest that we exercise this right not to participate. It is one of the few rights we have left. Nonparticipation sends a message that we no longer believe in the racket they have cooked up for us, and we want no part of it.

You might say that this is ineffective. But what effect does voting have? It gives them what they need most: a mandate. Nonparticipation helps deny that to them. It makes them, just on the margin, a bit more fearful that they are ruling us without our consent. This is all to the good. The government should fear the people. Not voting is a good beginning toward instilling that fear.

This year especially there is no lesser of two evils. There is socialism or fascism. The true American spirit should guide every voter to have no part of either.

Consider those words long and hard before hightailing it to the polls this fall.

–Conor MacCormack

Conor MacCormack

is a freelance writer/blogger who runs Providential Publications, which offers writing/editing/media services. His blog, Brushfires of Freedom, addresses the current political and spiritual turmoil gripping our nation and how a return to America's founding principles will lead to lasting liberty and prosperity. He has also served as an intern for Republican presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul, M.D. in Washington, D.C.

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  • DaveH

    Conor MacCormack says — “Now hold your horses there, MacCormack,” some “libertarians” will say. “Paul Ryan may not be perfect, but at least he’s a staunch defender of free enterprise. The CATO Institute said so!”.
    This also from Cato Institute:
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/paul-ryan-dont-believe-hype

    • Sylvin

      “Well then, what’s your solution, big shot?” you’ll retort. It’s simple: Don’t vote.

      ??

      Not voting is the same as throwing your vote away. Why not throw your vote to someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson instead? Why not write in Ron Paul to send a message that you’d rather have a Ron Paul instead of the two party candidates. Getting Ron Paul 10 or 15% of the vote would really send a message…

      • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.richardson66 Christopher Richardson

        Amen. The author may enjoy the purity of his beliefs but, in the real world- you work for the best you can get. As long as there is an opposition party – and there must be to prevent any one philosophy to oppress – there will be compromise. We have to keep moving the ball forward. We can’t just pick it up and go home if the game doesn’t go our way.

      • toad

        I’m not about to throw away a vote that could keep someone much worse in office. Sorry, no thank you

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Christipher Richardsoon, why is it that when someone from the Left or a Neocon tells you that you should compromise it means that things should be done their way and you should think their way.Why won’t they think and do as the Conservatives and/or Libertarians?

      • Paul Wells

        This all comes down to the amount of disdain you have for Obummer. Myself, I can’t stand, I mean, I absolutely get almost physically ill at the thought of that bastard getting in office again for another 4 years. So not voting is a non-starter, since that in my mind is letting Obummer win without a battle of any kind. Same with diluting the vote by voting for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul. If I thought for a moment that either of those gentlemen could get elected, then I would vote for one of them. But since neither can, I will vote to keep Obummer out. None of what this article takes away (not voting, etc.) makes any sense to me.

      • D A Y

        THIS LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER WOLF IN THE FOLD TRYING TO GET US NOT TO VOTE! WHO DOES THIS IDIOT WANT? JOE BIDEN FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS???? NO MATTER HOW BAD IT SOUNDS, THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS IS STILL A CHOICE!! CUT OFF BOTH LEGS, OR JUST ONE? I WILL CUT OFF ONLY ONE IF GIVEN A CHOICE…. COME ON HERE… BIDEN OVER RYAN?? NO CONTEST…

      • DaveH

        But you are doing worse than throwing away your vote, Toad, when you vote for a Big Government candidate (unless that’s what you want). Rubber-stamping the Establishment Candidates just reinforces their selfish behavior — that of putting up only candidates who work to further tighten the grip of the Leaders over the rest of us. It’s time to quit underwriting those who are feathering their own nests at the expense of the rest of us.

      • GALT

        Really? You can’t just pick up and go? If memory serves, I seem to recall that, the “america’s” especially the north, were comprised of people who were doing precisely that?
        In fact, our species has been doing THAT since the beginning.

        In terms of practicality, modernity has introduced several obstacles in that
        places to run to are fewer and the barriers a bit more difficult to negotiate, but
        the urge is still there………

        Is there a pragmatic way to employ voting to alter the corrupted thing we call government?

        Possibly…….but it rests on two criteria…….the recognition that voting for “something” is a waste of time……..because the reality of this is that the “‘for something” usually represents the most important element of the “perceived self interest” of the individual voter, and second, most people don’t bother to vote…….because “nothing” is really safe, no matter what is said…….so why bother? ( btw this latter group is by far the majority of voters, and easily outnumbers anything that can be martialed by either major party…….)

        Enter the “negative voting party” which operates on two specific principles……never vote for an incumbent or who has been an incumbent, in that office, at that level of government, ever………….and if possible, never vote for anyone who claims affiliation with either of the two major parties………it doesn’t really matter who gets elected…..because the problem is first and foremost “the corruption”………and it’s primary purpose is to accomplish one thing………..

        We will refer to this as “The Dogs of War”, effect…….which is simply this, at the end of this film…….Shannon, the leader of the mercenary team who ousts President Kimba, to install a pre-selected puppet president for a mining corp. in the Republic of Zangaro, promptly
        shoots the planned puppet, introduces the gentlemen who paid for the coup, to Dr. Acoya, who was a political prisoner of the “previous president” and says: “Now you’re going to have to buy it, all over again.”

        It takes a bit of imagination to grasp what this simple and essentially non political tactic would accomplish……..but consider our present normal state of affairs………who would the ‘corrupters’ attempt to corrupt……and when? What would the press talk about…..since nothing would be certain……..and each candidate would have to covered individually.
        What would people like Rash Lamebrain talk about………?

        Now that speech is money, it might be quite an economic boom…..?

        Oh well, one can dream……..

      • Chester

        Nadzieja Batki, Why is it that you, and so many like you, think compromise is a bad word? You sound like the rest of the Tea Party nuts I see on here, you only want things ONE way, YOUR way, or you will take your votes and go home and pout. The only problem with that attitude is the FACT that by doing that, you will get NOTHING you want, whereas, if you stayed and honestly negotiated, NOT my way or the highway, but honest give and take negotiate, you stand a fair chance of getting some of what you want. NO, you won’t get all you want, but neither will the side you stand against. Believe it or not, compromise is what allowed this country to be founded in the first place, as you had thirteen different colonies represented by men with totally different interests. None of them agreed on everything, including the Declaration of Independence, but they managed to pass that, and, with a lot of sweat, blood, and tears, get a constitution in place that we are still living by. Yes, there have been modifications to that document, the first ten of which were written to get it accepted by all the colonies, and the rest as the need for changes have become obvious.

      • Ron

        By not voting, or voting for Ron Paul you insure that Obama is elected resulting in more devistation of the US economy and world wide loss of stature. Dumb Dumb and Dumber

      • http://Yahoo jimb

        Sorry I do not agree with you. We all ( Republicans) should unite behind the Republican nominated for President. If we should not write in someones name. That is the same as voting for the other candidate. So in a since you will help the other candidate win. Do not waste your vote in this manner. Vote for Romney and Ryan, Nov.6TH 2012.

      • r.p.

        Giving Ron Paul 10 to 15% of the vote will send a message. Giving him 30% will most likely win him the election (Obama won with 26%). One of the posters said “even if he did get the popular vote, the electoral college will not vote for him”. They are bound by the constitution to represent the will of their constituency (voters from their district). To do otherwise would be a violation of the constitution and their oath. Those who are willing to support Romney will only be re-electing Obama. So don’t try to convince those who are trying to get us out of this left/right paradigm, status quo quagmire, that we are wasting our votes. Did anybody bother to notice the Ron Paul rally which drew over 10,000 supporters yesterday? Hmmnn…I thought not!

      • http://www.facebook.com/martha.benton.3 Martha Benton

        Why not just be honest and vote for Obama? That is exactly what you ARE doing hiding behind “I’m voting for who i would rather have had.” Bunch of gutless losers that will then sit around and blame everybody else when Obama wins. If you are a conservative, then stand behind the conservative candidate that’s nominated. Blame yourself and others like you that do stupid things like ‘write-ins’.

      • Barefoot

        I’m sorry but I disagree! Voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson does NOT send anyone a message! It IS a wasted vote BECAUSE no one on Capitol Hill CARES! They only care about VIABLE candidates. In other words the top two vote getters in the primarys! Had Ron Paul been one of these two, then they would pay attention! The best hoped for results for supporters of Mr. Paul is that he be able to continue to influence decisions made by Congress!

      • DaveH

        So, what’s your exit plan, Martha? When do you throw in the towel and admit that they will just keep putting up one evil after another for you to choose from, as we keep slipping further down that tyrannical slope? After all, that is the deal. It’s one big buddy club of Banking and Corporatist elites, most of them sociopaths, who can rationalize any means to reach their desired goals. Theft, Murder, it doesn’t matter to them as long as they get their Power and Riches. It really shouldn’t be that hard for people like you to figure out, Martha, since they’ve gotten you and yours on the same train for a lot less reward.

      • Winddrinker

        The author of this article lost all credibility when I read the statment he made saying that “Romney is cut from the same statist mold as obama….”

      • Don B

        You don’t get it do you? Ron Paul has no chance of winning, therefore a vote for him is a vote for Obummer. Any voter should realize this and cast their vote to get rid of Obummer, and then work within the party to get the things Ron Paul wants.

      • petroleumengineer

        What an irresponsible plan – vote for Paul to send a message. I’ve been around for 89 years and have a sound mind. The message you’ll send is let’s go to socilaism or communism. The you can say, I told you so from behind a barbed wire fence.
        Frankly, I am impressed with Romeny. He is a Conservative, not as much as me, but he is still a Cnservative. You’ve lost rack of what is going on and have mesmeized yourself about Libertarianism – as a Conseravtive Republican I believe much of what Ron Paul says ( in fact some of his ideas happen to be part of the RNC platform). Paul’s knowledge of foreign affairs proves to me that he lives in a dream world. Isolationism is not workable – the globe is too small. Had we retained Paul’s ideas on foreign policy we’d now be speaking Geerman on the east half of the country and Japanese on the west half.
        Conor and you better get REAL!

    • wandamurline

      Bob….Ron Paul did not get the votes to be the candidate for president. Get off it and start trying to, at least, stop stomping on the only people who might have a chance of getting Obama out of the White House. Suddenly, I think that maybe you want Obama to have another four years…..what is the deal? We must play the cards we are dealt….Romney was not my first choice either, but I will tread snow pile ups over my head to get to the poll to vote for Romney and against Obama. You need to take a break….am sick of your ursurping. No candidate is perfect….not even your Ron Paul.

      • Ed

        Amen to that! Is this guy trying to get Obama reelected?!?

      • DaveH

        And you will keep playing the hand dealt to you, Wanda, until our Freedom is no more. It’s time to get out of their game, while we still can, and stop underwriting Evil.

      • eddie47d

        There was a time when there wasn’t a Democrat Party or a Republican Party. We’ve allowed them to cook our gooses forever. Things can and do change so why not support the Libertarian Party and keep advocating for their principles. To do otherwise means you accept the way things are.

      • Patriot1776

        The time to take a stand is not in the voting booths on election day. We are faced with a choice of obama or romney. Obama will destroy this country within months of the election with his communist ways. He will eliminate our relgious freedoms and our Constitution. He is a known negative. He must not remain in office.

        Romney may be only slightly better in that if he is communist, at least he has not “come out of the closet” with it. The choice stinks, but it is the choice we have allowed.

        The time for change comes after the election. That’s when we need to actively seek to either change the republican party back into a true conservative party, or we work to raise the Tea Party into a strong political force with power to overcome the status quo.

        Don’t take a stand to ease your conscience on voting day, then return to your place on the sofa until the next election when you will once again moan about the choices. We can’t change this one. If we give this one to obama, it may be the last one. If we hold our noses and pick what’s left, at least we will have a country left to work to improve.

      • http://speedle speedle

        Says Eddie, “To do otherwise means you accept the way things are.” This betrays yours (and others on this blog) complete misunderstanding of the situation we are in. Let me clue you in. “the way things are” are about to get much much worse if Obama is re-elected. Maybe that’s what you want – a bigger platform for pissing and moaning.

      • David

        We elect Romney and Ryan who are the Republican Canidates… Tell me WHY won’t anyone who isn’t corrupt or a communist/socialist or evil(wolf in sheeps clothing) be nominated in the first place ? Isn’t there TWO men in this Country who we can vote for who are God fearing Law abiding Patriots if elected to office who would RESTORE Our Nation to Greatness? WHERE ARE YOU REAL AMERICANS ?

      • r.p.

        If Ron Paul didn’t get the votes then please explain why the GOP/RNC has been trying so hard to rewrite the rules for delegates, physically forcing RP delegates out of the caucauses, demanding the RP delegates to swear allegiance to Mitt, refusing to allow him to speak at the convention. RP is the only other candidate who has earned plurality from 6 states and the GOP is trying to rewrite that. He’s on the ballot in all 50 states, and was the first one to do so. If anyone has the right to speak at the convention, it’s RP. The FED and Goldman Sachs only support Mitt and Barack. They have told you that is your only choice. You can follow their orders if you want, but I don’t think I will jump off the cliff with you.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        This is to eddie47d! Who are you and what have you done with eddie?

      • eddie47d

        Go ahead Speedle and vote for your favorite miserable creep. I won’t stop you.

      • Mary-Lee

        Ron Paul has every right to be considered a candidate. Several of the primaries were hacked and votes stolen or not reported so he should have more delegates than he shows. I think Mr. Livingston is trying to point out that there ARE more than the two choices given to us. Doesn’t anyone remember that conventions were intended to nominate a candidate? I do. It was not determined BEFORE the convention who the nominee would be. The states voted at the convention.

        Warren G. Harding (1921) entered the convention with only 39 delegates and on the 10th ballot, he won and went on to become president. Other presidents were nominated after several ballots (Buchanan for one) IT CAN HAPPEN AND SHOULD, THIS YEAR MORE THAN EVER. This is why you don’t vote for the ‘lesser of two evils just to outst Obama’.
        Yes I want Obama out, but to replace him with Romney is just as bad because they both think alike. Yes, Romney is more polite, Romney is not arrogant as Obama, Romney is more likeable BUT THEY BOTH HAVE/WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY EVEN MORE. They will just do it in different ways. Look at Paul Ryan’s voting record as this article points out (VoteSmart.org) he’s as bad as Obama. This is why Romney picked him.

        I am not naive , but I’m not stupid either. I know Romney was given the nod by the Bilderberg Group and they have been selecting our presidents for the past 50+ year. THEY are the Elistist, the Banksters, the Globalists. He will likely win, just as Bush won over Gore….THEY make it happen. But, please, allow yourself to say, “I tried” when it comes to saving this country. And who knows, if enough people vote for Ron Paul, maybe he might win. Then we will have a fighting chance to save this country. Romney won’t give you that chance. All he will do is remove the arrogant Marxist from the White House.

      • Winddrinker

        Sure sounds like the author’s point of view isn’t too popular… There are a handful of posters that keep harping about RP, but it isn’t going to work. The people don’t want RP.

        The author is acting like a kid and if he doesn’t get his way, he will pick up his marbles and leave the game. And, he is trying to get everyone else to take their marbles home and stay there..refusing to vote. Thats incredible when you think about it.. Another insane idea from a RP supporter. He would rather see the country destroyed …IF he can’t have RP! Sounds like he has a mental disorder, to me..

        If the demonrats cannot find “dirt” on Romney, he has to be “squeaky clean.” Believe it, they have tried. Seems Romney’s “only sin” is being successful and creating jobs.

        Of course, libs don’t like successful people, libs want to demonized them and confiscate their wealth. Don’t forget, they want to take everything from everyone, and redistribute it to their friends…So, be prepared if you are thinking about staying home and pouting. If you don’t vote, you may not have that “home” for much longer.

      • GregS

        eddie47d says:

        “Things can and do change so why not support the Libertarian Party and keep advocating for their principles.”

        This coming from a person who has consistantly defended Obummer’s policies on this site!!! Nice try, eddie!

        As I have said before, many of the so-called “Libertarians” on this site are simply Obama shills, who are trying to split the conservatives, so that Obummer can get re-elected for another term to do more damage.

    • Randy131

      Connor Mac Cormack says by chosing Romney we have chosen the lesser of two evils, but every man has both good and evil in him, for all are sinners. By choosing Romney to run against Obama, I refer to it as choosing between the better of good that has a chance to prevail against the lesser of good, which can be described as choosing the lesser of two evils, for all are sinners, but your description really describes what you are looking for in your choice, and I look for the most good, not the less evil, unlike what Connor MacCormack is apparently looking for.

      • GregS

        VERY well said, Randy!

    • http://yahoo marc lizotte

      I agree DaveH, we also must remember that we need to get rid of Obomonation and Biddy for not only what they haven`t achieved BUT for what they`ll do. Indoctrinate socialistic policies in the govt that will be iireversible AND possibly change the SCOTUS w/ the replacement of possibly three(3) socialistic liberals. Sound like fun???????? THINK,VOTE!

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      Lets see the wisdom of all of this? A write in vote is really a vote for obozo, a no vote is a vote for obozo? If your going to be that dumb, just vote for obozo and get it over with. Mickey Mouse would be better then obozo the clown marxist but, I won’t vote for him either. Will I vote the lesser of two evils, Yes. Anyone is better then the dictator-in-chief.

  • DaveH
    • makus

      If we look at this and what has transpired in the past that is hwy I am either voting Ron Paul or the lesser of two eveils which in my mind after collecting all data seems to favor Obama. Just being honest about lesser of 2 evils.

      • Patriot1776

        I can’t even begin to comprehend how anyone could come down to a choice between Ron Paul and obama, although a vote for either is a vote for obama. The only place that I know of where obama could be thought of as the lesser of two evils might be Chicago. He hates America, hates christians, hates sucessful citizens, hates guns…at least Romney has earned a paycheck before.

  • DaveH

    And this:
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/does-paul-ryan-know-or-care-about-bill-rights

    Chris Edwards no more represents all of Cato, than Conor MacCormack represents all of Personal Liberty. It’s that Freedom of Speech thing you know. Although I must say I’ve considered Cato to be mushy Libertarians for many years now. I much prefer the no holds barred commentary from Mises Institute.

    • GALT

      ” and the award for understatement goes to: “
      Chris Edwards no more represents all of Cato, than Conor MacCormack represents all of Personal Liberty.
      So “who be Conor MacCormack”? and what claim to Personal Liberty representation DOES he have?
      After tireless investigation and exhaustive research it would appear that Conor has made a total of two other contributions to P.L.
      July 11, 2012: Dishonest Abe’s Legacy And The 2012 Election
      July 18, 2012: More On Dishonest Abe’s Liberty-Destroying Legacy
      Not a whole lot of range, but a quick look at his bio indicates that he does seem to have that ephemeral gift of “allusion” that attracts the rather nebulous and ill informed, self proclaimed modern day “patriot”, sans howitzer?
      His blog, Brushfires of Freedom, addresses the current political and spiritual turmoil gripping our nation and how a return to America’s founding principles will lead to lasting liberty and prosperity.
      Ah yes, those much referenced “founding principles”which no one can quite put their finger on but are claimed by “everyone” along with that other reference, “The American Dream”! which makes an almost modern debut, by comparison yet remains equally elusive as to meaning.
      The understanding of these words has been genetically inherited by all natural born citizens, of course, ” a priori and self evident”…..that is until one asks a “question”……..then eyes glaze over with the duh? expression……….and the intellectual flailing begins. This is probably due to the REALITY that these “founding principles” were forged in “the ( then ) current political and spiritual turmoil gripping our nation “ which was NOT a nation………and the pedigree of those that “flailed then” to grasp these elusive wisps, were not your ‘common folk’, nor were they particularly “sober” at any given time……..alchohol consumption being twice that of today……..a fact which they made no effort to conceal, but since the proceedings were conducted “in secret”, that, as well as the “elite status” of the participants does not fit well with the “contrived reverence” that has been constructed for us……..
      If the state of todays “turmoil” seems to be one of complete chaos, the TRUTH of the matter is, they were “us” times two…..and the only reason they managed to get anything done at all……was that the conditions were a loss less complex than they are now……so with a few expedient “compromises” of principle and VOILA, here we are.
      Representative of PERSONAL LIBERTY? What is that? A question to be sure………and as ephemeral as those “founding principles”…….something with a nice ring, but which does not seem to invite closer examination, lest it’s discordant composition become obvious?
      ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and then HANG, separately.)

      • gettinready

        I would like to vote for someone that 1.) I think will represent my views in matters that pertain to the Federal government and 2.)preserve the constitution and bill of rights. What if ALL the people who do not support Obama and ALL the people who see the neocons for what they are and ALL the Ron Paul freedom lovers got together and voted 3rd party Libertarian ???maybe we would get the government that we the people actually have a say in…just thinkin …

      • Frank

        PSSSSST GALT STILL HERE WATCHIN YA

        It is sad to see someone of your mental capacity speaking about intellectual ability.

        Just so you know, intellectually I won our last battle.

        I will also win this one when judged by rational people.

        I am too lazy, today, to look up the word used by your Islamic partners for using lies and deception to divide and destroy. However, I can see the results of the implementation of those tenents here in your post.

        Yes, we were not a nation, YET, when the FOUNDING fathers decided the FOUNDING principles of the United States. Just so you can “intellectually” understand why this is not a problem, founding means to begin something new. By definition, founding principles is acurate in describing what was used to start / begin our great nation.

        I am sure that your desire to obfuscate reality will give you impetus to decry my next statement but, even if Allah Akbar is a propper phrase, you cannot change the meanings for american english words to suit your feeble ranting. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES do not give you the power to define words in our native language.

        Self evident – a combination of two words “self” speaking to ones own person, relating to ones identity. and “evident” a form of the word evidence, facts or ideas that give reason to believe in an theory.

        By definition, self evident is owned by the person stating the idea. You have no right or power to deny a person the veracity of such a statement.

        This country has freedom of speech guaranteed in our bill of rights (first 10 ammendments to the constitution). While I believe and defend our constitution, there is a higher authority and a previous document that supercedes it. The Ten Commandments (strange that there are 10 ammendments and 10 commandments). One of these is Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie). Does the Qua’ran violate this commandment from Allah (God)? Does it say “thou shall not bear false witness, unless it helps me gain power over the world”?

        Are you really a member of the PLO? The Palestienian LIbreration Organization. Do you believe the pure hatred spewed forth by the extremist terrorist wing of the nation of Islam? Is it acceptable to rape and murder women because they are christian? Do you applaud them for hacking children to death with machete while chanting “ALLAH AKBAR”?

        I am not qualified to judge your true intelligence because I have not met you. I can only go by what you say in this blog. Trust me when I say that what you have said does not raise your apearance of intelligence.

        My God tells me to love all his children. My God says HE will judge all. “VENGENCE IS MINE” says my Lord. Do unto others as you wish done to you. What does Allah say? Love only those who bow down and lick my boots? Go forth and Judge and kill all who dissagree with you? Stick it to them before they can stick it to you?

        As I said before, I will win intellectually here. Once again, I am sure you will try to change the rules of engagement for discourse so, I will let you decide. How do we engage here, definitions, religion, opinion based on facts or just mindless drivel. I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL, PICK YOUR WEAPONS.

        LONG LIVE ISRAEL THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

      • GALT

        Sorry, Frank……since you are not making sense, and I have no clue to what battle you are referring……or what battle you imagine is taking place here……I will leave you with the standard constitutional i.q. test question……

        Where are the (common) law and equity courts?

        When you find a ‘candidate’ that can answer it, then you will have found someone to vote for……..however in the spirit of no childe left behind, here is a map.

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

        • Frank

          The battle was over the Declaration of Independence where you questioned the statement “we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are endowed with certain unalianable rights among which are life, liberty and the persuit of happiness”. The post today I responded to contained the self evident question again.

          For the new constitutional test, do you want me to answer or find a candidate that can?

          It is easy to find these courts, as all courts are required to provide jurisdiction in these two areas if demanded by citizens. The fact that they try to use admiralty and the color of law because of our current color of money (federal reserve notes) does not eliminate the two original jurisdictions. And yes I know that the flag with gold fringe is not the flag of the United States. I know that technically by using FRN’s we accept the bennifit of commerce with a foriegn country but, I have not signed a contract of international commerce so I am not bound by that rule. I did not need your link because I have known this for years.

          If you want me to get more specific and quote the sections of the SCC laws which tell how to prevent being tried by these color of law juridictioins I will be happy to provide them for you. You can get out of traffic tickets by refusing to be tried by color of law which has no requirement of victims. As for a candidate that knows these things, I have not had the time or opportunity to ask them yet but I am sure that Ron Paul knows the differences.

          Also, I am 58 and was educated long before the moronic no child left behind rules.

          Now back to my original reply, I was not ambiguous in my last posting. I am sorry that you are not feeling intelligent enough to respond to my assertions and questions. Once again you run and hide from my responses. Is that your only defense? I got the questions about you and the PLO from your response to VICKI in the blog several days ago I just reminded you about at the start of this post.

          • goetzwyo

            typical of those who are lost… leave out the part where it says “Creator” so you can ignore the One who gave US this Country and Blessed it to be A Great Nation !!! Too many in this Dead Land who only think of themselves. No wonder its in its death throws now!

          • Baloney Toney Mahoney

            The Mahoney Man says: Interesting point of trivia…original Declaration had “SACRED” instead of “SELF-EVIDENT”…Some thought it sounded too religious & they debated for 3 days until Franklin came up with self-evident…though spiritual men, they were always very careful of going overboard on religion, but that did mean they wanted people & leaders to never mention God in Public Square like nowadays!

          • Frank

            I appologize for missquoting the Declaration of independence. Yes it says “are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights”. I noticed my omission after I posted it but it was too late to add that most important phrase. I do not ever intentionally diminish Gods role in our great nation. He blessed our country in the beginning and that is what made up prosper. Lately the evil decadence that rules our country has caused many to fall from his grace and I only pray we will regain what we have lost in our sins before our God judges our nation. Let the TRUTH rule this country for that is what will save us from our current leaders (the TRUTH comes from the BIBLE as the word of GOD).

          • goetzwyo

            Thank You Frank for replying! It’s good to see you are a man of Faith and not someone who wants to Blot out His word!

      • GALT

        Well then Frank, my recollection is that no one, as yet has managed a satisfactory explanation of “unalienable rights”, in particular how are they unalienable…….and also,
        since this government had accepted the duty to “secure them”………what would that require of government regarding the right to life, specifically?

        It is not a question that can be dealt with simplistically and careful reasoning leads to very unexpected results……..I was not aware that anyone had managed to produce anything much in getting past the first step……and that includes you.

        The post here, while again noting the casual use of words….presents a variation of the same theme……but from a different direction entirely. While you do mention the words “self evident” and some rambling about “newly formed”, and then wander off into material
        that as noted makes no sense as a response to today’s offering…..

        My congratulations on your constitutional understanding…….still doesn’t give you anyone
        to vote FOR…….but who knows maybe our dialog will improve over time……

    • GALT

      Oh yeah, von mises…….that would be the austrian variant, of the capitalist variant of the
      the Big Store Con of Economics!

      Enter: Economics UNMASKED!!!!!

      The economic system under which we live not only forces the great majority of humankind to live their lives in indignity and poverty; it also threatens all forms of life – indeed life itself. Economics Unmasked presents a cogent critique of the dominant economic system in order to help transform our society into one in which all forms of life will be protected. The first part of this book is devoted to showing that the theoretical constructions that have been selected, work mainly to bring about injustice. The second part is concerned with what should be the foundations of a new economics where justice, human dignity, compassion and reverence for life must be the guiding values.

      “As is clear from the title, the book argues that modern neoclassical economics is a mask for power and greed, a construct designed to justify the status quo. Its claim to serve the common good is specious, and its claim to scientific status is fraudulent. The latter is sought mainly by excessive mathematical formalism to the neglect of concrete facts and real values. The mathematical formalism is in imitation of nineteenth century physics (economics viewed as the mechanics of utility and self-interest), but without any empirical basis remotely comparable to physics. Pareto is identified a villain here, and to a lesser extent Jevons.

      The hallmark of a real science is a basic consensus about fundamentals. There is no real consensus in economics, so how can it claim to be a mature science? Easy, by forcing a false “consensus” through the simple expedient of declaring heterodox views to be “not really economics,” eliminating history of economic thought from the curriculum, instigating a pseudo-Nobel Prize in Economics, and attaining a monopoly on faculty positions in economics departments at elite universities.” Herman Daly

      “They identify what they consider to be the foundations of a new economics, which are articulations of the very core of our work here at nef:

      The economy should serve the people, not the people the economy;

      Development is about people, not objects;

      Growth is not the same as development, and development does not necessarily require growth;

      No economy is possible in the absence of eco-system services;

      The economy is a sub-system of a larger and finite system, the biosphere, hence permanent growth is impossible.” Nic Marks

      Now this subject is a bit more complicated regarding the simple question that explains what happened to the constitution ( and which people ignore and have yet to ask any of these so called “patriot” office holders and aspirants ) but really, is there anyone out there that can say that the “economy” is serving them?

      • Frank

        GO AHEAD GALT AND REFUSE TO RESPOND TO THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF MY POSTS.

        The right to life means that nobody has the right to take my life from me. The governments only role in securing this RIGHT is in enforcing laws agains murder or manslaughter.

        Unalienable was defined by me completely and your delussional refusal to accept the definition does not negate it. As to our dialog improving, I doubt that you will be able to improve your mental condition in order to use logic and reason to debate the issues with me or anyone else.

        Also, on economics, your quoting from an extremeists ranting on the economy does not prove anything. It appears that the author was possibly pushing for what is referred to as sustainable economics which is different than basic macro economics theory. We do not need sustainable economic systems for economics to serve us. We only need that for continued service over the long haul.

        Economics theory does meet the scientific rules of proof if you know what they are. Supply and demand drive a capitalist economy, that is non-disuptable. Demand goes up then if supply does not the price goes up. If supply increases without an increase in demand then the price goes down. The only time these rules dont aply is when there is something called elastic demand. This type of demand is for goods or services that people consider absoultely necessary and will buy and consume regardless of the cost. Two primary examples of elastic demand are Gasoline and Tobacco, although not really necessary they are considered that by those who consume them.

      • GALT

        Yo Frank…….this post is not a response to you…..look at the time stamp, this post was here two hours before your initial post above……it is not to you, it is not about you…..and if you intend to establish your Claimed intellectual superiority, I suggest you work on your comprehension ability……..I did respond at 6.46……what you are doing here is anyone’s guess, but I’m not going to………feel free to chase me…….you’re not even on the same page………but here’s a hint if you really want to engage………quote me first, so I have at least some idea what you are trying to ARGUE with…..and then have at it…….

        I’m not exactly quaking in my boots in fear of your debating skills…..the feature writer’s
        here don’t impress me……you can’t even follow the topic line……or the thread?

        Try again…….just try harder to keep it together and focus……I am ignoring whatever you wrote above…..the initial insult was enough…..deal with it……

        • Frank

          Galt

          There was no reply button at the bottom of the post I was replying to so I went down one post of yours to hit a reply. I am staying on your topic, if you can follow one. And it does not make any difference where I reply, you still never respond to what I say because you are an idiot pure and simple not capable of intelligent responses. You have not one time responded to my posts here today just kept drivelling about some obscure nonsense.

          All your posts are pure nonsense blown out your backside without any evidence of brain power involved. you are afraid to engage me in any form of dialogue because you cant. Your attempts at insults are ineffective because they have no basis in reality so fire away loser.

      • GALT

        Well that is such an “intelligent response” that I am just SPEECHLESS!!!!!!

        It does seem a bit curious that I was able to manage to post a reply to YOU and there was no REPLY BUTTON under your post……..and you managed to do it, so you could apologize for omitting CREATOR………but you must have forgotten how you did that, huh?

        As for your complete definition, you must have forgotten that too, because I don’t see it.

        As for government securing the right to life, the conditions for it; air, water, food, clothing and shelter, must be met…….and this is not done if government’s only role is enforcing laws against murder and manslaughter………..it also demonstrates quite nicely, as you would be DEAD……that the right to life is NOT unalienable, as you just got alienated from it.

        Thank you for your opinions on economics, unfortunately, until you actually READ the book, your present response is rather naive as it attempts to argue something, based on
        a few sentences which only contain a glimpse of what is involved……

        The book does not deal with macro or micro concepts, or supply and demand and your single relevant attempt fails…….oil and tobacco are not equivalents or even related, in terms of sustainability or ecosystem services.

        So while this has been fun, you continue to waste my time……

        • Frank

          Last item first, actually it is a waste of my time not yours because you are either to stupid or too stubborn to listen to facts.

          Your reading comprehension is in question since none of your responses to my posts actually indicate you understood them.

          I said that I provided a complete definition to unalienable in posts to a previous blog from PLA. I did not say I did it now. I will not repeat myself for your entertainment, so look the definition up yourself. But it does mean you cant take them away.

          You are confusing the right to life with living which is understandable for you. If I die it is because I lost my life, not my right to life (although I dont need the right anymore since I am dead). If you kill me you violate my right to life, but you did not take the right away from me. h

          Since I never mentioned micro economics we will leave that term out so you dont get more confused.

          I never said the book (I will not read because I despise trash spewed by environmentalist extremeists) talked about macro economics. I said it appeared to be addressing the idea of sustainable economics which is not the same as macro economics. Macro (the world) economics is what most refer to when they talk about economic systems. The non-environmentalist people who talk about economics dont mean the biosphere (living area on earth), they talk about commerce. Believe it or not, commerce is the basis for what the majority of humans call economics. That is buying, selling, trading and sharing of resources (not necessarily resouces that come directly from the earth).

          I never mentioned oil in my post it was gasoline. And if you are not educated enough to understand the difference here is a small clue oil is very dark and oily and gasoline is very clear (white, red, blue) tint but you can see through it. You can use gasoline to clean up oil from surfaces. Gasoline and tobacco (not just cigarettes) were examples of elastic demand, they were not mentioned as equivalents to anything or each other.

          You have used “the book” to belittle the idea that economics is a science. Well even though that is a misconception as there is scientific theory in comercial economics let us delve into the idea of sustainable economics.

          I have had some college courses in economics so I am a little familiar with this concept. Sustainable economics refers to the use of replenishable resources. It talks about how quickly a resouce is replenished by nature and therefor how quickly we can safely consume it. Some examples are perhaps lumber (trees) and water (clean and drinkable “potable”). Now, I ask you Galt (a work of futility) how does one come up with the answer to sustainable consumption without using scientific methods?
          ra
          My opology about leaving out the words by their creator was not a response to you.

          When I find your replies to me (which are never shown as a response to Frank but usually response to Galt) in my email alerts I can reply to them from the email even if there is no reply button in the blog page to that response.

          Now, I know you will fuss and whine like a little baby about me not staying foused because of the numerous subjects in this post but it is that way because you referred to all those subjects in your post. Just trying to respond to all your rambling notions.

          If, in future posts, you have nothing intelligent to say please direct them at someone with the same mental capacity as yourself like flashy. Don’t waste my time with comments that have no basis in fact or even in reality in this universe. It hurts my brain to try and figure out what kind of demented mind can actually say, let alone believe, such nonsense.

      • GALT

        well since you can’t remember what the definition was…..and/or will not repeat it……and I have said that “no definition” has actually surfaced that would be relevant, I accept your concession.

        and the source of gasoline is………?

        Since you can not discuss what you refuse to read……we are done here…..you were and remain irrelevant ( and ignorant of the actual topic )…….but the line of reasoning will continue………feel free to jump in when it starts to make sense…….

        • Frank

          Relevant to who or what topic? Be specific or shut the $%^& up.

          I know the definition, I remember telling it to you; if you cant remember that is your problem. I am not playing your ignorant little $$$$ game here.

          Gasoline is refined from crude oil (which is different than oil). Oil is something you use for lubrication.

          I dont need to waste my time and money reading a biased book on ECOSYSTEMS to make the points I made about ECONOMICS. Once again you confuse words that, maybe to you, seem to be related. The ecosystem is the earth or if you want to go macro, the solar system and the universe. Economics is commerce used by humans to advance their standard of living or exist in the ecosystem we live in.

          So to restate the obvious, you have never one time directly responded intelligently to any facts I have presented to you. I am truly in awe of your ability to advance the Islamic way of hiding the truth to avoid looking stupid in your own eyes.

          MAYBE THIS IS NOT A BATTLE YOU UNDERSTAND BUT WE ARE AT WAR HERE. YOU HAVE A BELIEF SYSTEM THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ONE TRUE GOD. I FIGHT FOR THE GLORY OF MY LORD. WHOM DO YOU FIGHT FOR? Sorry to make that a propper sentence it should be FOR WHOM DO YOU FIGHT?

      • GALT

        I am a e.i. P.L.F………seeking to educate w.i.A.L.F’s such as yourself, and A.L.F’s, to grasp and embrace their inner P.L. F. ism……..your war’s do not interest me, so feel free to start without me…….and continue for as long as you like……you are of no concern and no consequence, and until you actually become one…..it would be “immoral” to assign you any value……..which as you can see, I have NOT.

  • DaveH

    Conor says — “Well then, what’s your solution, big shot?” you’ll retort. It’s simple: Don’t vote. When you pull that lever for Collectivist A or Collectivist B, you are giving your consent to their respective liberty-destroying agendas”.
    The Establishment Leaders could care less if 50% of the eligible Voters elect them or 20% of the eligible Voters elect them, as long as they get elected.
    Why not give support to a Party that does work for Freedom? That would send a much bigger message than NOT voting at all.
    http://www.lp.org/

    • Thomas Phillips

      Good response. I intend to vote for the party that promotes liberty – the Libertarian Party.

    • JJinCO

      Ron Paul tried the Libertarian Party. He got little attention. He ran for the Republican nomination. Why? Because there is more chance of fixing the Republican Party than starting a third party. Don’t waste what Ron Paul has done and Rand Paul is doing. Fire Democrats. Vote for Republcans. Make the Republican Party walk the talk of small, Constitutional government.

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        My dream would be for Romney & Ryan to go to Ron Paul & say, “WE need you in our cabinet, as a sort of economic czar, to help cut down this federal beast, and you are best man for the job.” Who knows of Paul would accept that, but if he did & all three campaigned on this one issue, frame it for the young people that their futures are at stake, frame it for the elderly that their grandchildren’s futures are at stake… I guarantee they would win….Of course, this all assumes that Romney & Ryan are serious about cutting the Federal govt. & its out of control spending, that is the $64,000 question isn’t it?..apparently the author thinks its a charade!!!

        One must not lose sight of the fact that Repubs. are at least Pro-life & traditional marriage & like Cathy CEO of Chik-fil-A, I do believe the judgment will descend upon this nation for the legalized snuffing out innocent life in the womb & sanctifying the darkness of homosexuality!!

        With the DEMS in power there is NO CHANCE of cutting spending, for that would end their bribery scheme…with the Repubs., there is at least a glimmer of hope, and isn’t that why Ron Paul stayed in the party & not start his own? If one is a Libertarian, it’s better to vote for R&R, at least with them there is a chance!!!

      • Liberty Lover

        Absolutely right, JJ!

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          AMEN, Brother !!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Your idea is to stay in the Republican Party and try to reform it from the inside. The only thing that happens is that you work yourself silly and accomplish nothing.

      • DaveH

        JJinCO says — “Because there is more chance of fixing the Republican Party than starting a third party”.
        I’ve been hearing that line of reasoning for 40 years, JJ, and here we are — Less Free than ever before.
        You can try to repair your vintage car, but I will invest in a brand new one.
        The Republican Party has been steeped in Mercantilism since its inception. It’s doubtful that even Ron Paul can change that.
        Pick up a copy of this book and start your learning process:
        http://www.amazon.com/Hamiltons-Curse-Jeffersons-Revolution—Americans/dp/0307382850/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346165127&sr=8-1&keywords=hamilton%27s+curse

      • eddie47d

        Your obsession with homosexuals Kenyan Krusher will keep the focus away from economic issues and the election will become a parade of social issues. Romney flip flopped on everyone of those issues over the years and turned voters off. If those seeking jobs are hanging off a cliff you really think their most urgent concern is who the gay guy next door is dating?

        • KENYAN KRUSHER

          It’s too late , I’m afraid the genie is out of the bottle for homosexual agenda, but I still would not vote for ANYONE who supports it, or legalized abortion…..Karma will be heavy, Cathy was right!!!

          This election is simply pitting those who get free stuff from govt. as opposed to those who are tired of paying for it!

    • Sirian

      DaveH,
      Many good points, good links, well said!! But unfortunately we are once again in somewhat of a political conundrum, are we not? RP gave his farewell speech, so to speak, yesterday. His non-endorsement of Romney was very refreshing. . . :)

      • DaveH

        Not me. If Ron Paul doesn’t run as independent, I will be voting for Gary Johnson. I will be voting for Principles of Freedom.

    • firefight

      Good point. “If we don’t stand for something, we’ll fall for anything” is what comes to mind here. My drift on the “not voting” thing is simple. NOT voting sends the message that we don’t give a rat’s ass about who gets in there. Voting FOR the person who represents our values does. THAT is what sends the message. Even if our candidate loses, they will still have an idea of just how many of us are out here who will fight for the Republic and that’s what they need to know…….especially if it comes to a revolution. By now, it should be obvious to everyone that our candidates are NOT chosen by us, but by the elitists.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        firefight, I agree with you! NOT voting sends the message of apathy! THAT is exactly what “they” want. When the people are apathetic, it gives them license to do whatever they want. Voting for the candidate “they” give us means we are malleable. Again, they can do whatever they want. We need to make them KNOW, we are neither apathetic nor malleable! We need to send a message that says we are ON to them and we aren’t going to put up with it any longer!!! It is the responsibility of all to vote FOR the person that you think will best run our country, the person whose values and ideals are closest to our own! I’ll not be forced into a box where I’m only ALLOWED to vote for the candidate “they” give me! I’ll NOT give up my integrity and be forced to vote for “the lesser of two evils”! I will write in the name of the person that I feel is best suited to turn our country BACK to the great nation that it once was!!!

      • DaveH

        Nancy,
        I think you might enjoy this book:
        http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_1/9_1_5.pdf

    • gettinready

      All people not asleep at the wheel vote libertarian 2012 that will really show them the people mean business! Your vote is only wasted if you vote for someone who’s not running (Ron Paul) Voting status quo will get us status quo…I believe the people only make a difference when their voice is heard..Dems & GOP are not listening…wake up people!

    • boyscout

      I cannot argue with that logic. I also cannot find logic in any other position. But still they babble, snivel, and bemoan being stuck with two evils and no way to express their conscience. Those who are blind are so because they simply will not see.

    • Winddrinker

      Forget it if you think anyone will notice the “write-in votes,” when obumscum gets re-elected!

      If RP supporters really want to make changes, why not plan something that isn’t so obviously destined for defeat..

  • Harold Olsen

    “Why not give support to a Party that does work for Freedom?”

    Does such a party exist? I doubt it very much.

  • Jane Mayer

    Fools. You always have the ability to write in your vote for President. If you choose to vote for Ron Paul, then you have done the right job. Just don’t vote for the neocons that met on the night of Obama’s inaugural ball and made a pact to instill fear into the hearts of American so they could take the reins. They are traitors. There were 22 there, 6 of them are Senators, 13 Representatives, Including Paul Ryan and John Boehner and the House Whip who later took the Tea Party into their plan. Now they intend to blame the Tea Party for what they planned and did.

    • dan

      Thanks for pointing that out ,Jane. It matters little who is the figurehead when the body is rotten.
      Boehner and the leadership are just as responsible for the fiasco formerly known as America
      and has enabled the Pelosis and Reids (another Mormon cultist,by the bye) to bring us to the edge of ruin.Bishop Romney is not the answer…he’s more of the sickness of empire/NWO.
      Oh,do you have a source for the meeting…I was just vaguely aware of it

    • DaveH

      It must be understood that the natural inclination of Leaders is to Grow their Power and Perks. Thomas Jefferson knew that. As he said — “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground”.
      The only way to control that inclination is to keep Government as small as possible like the Framers of the Constitution tried to do, and as local as possible where the people actually have easy access to their Representatives.

      • Winddrinker

        States need to take back all the powers usurped by the feds. State governments need to govern themselves, so government to be local and sensitive to the needs of their own populations. States need to collect and spend their own tax money. States should not collect and send all their money to the crooks in Washington.The States should not be dictated to by an isolated, elite group, that exempts themselves from the laws they pass for the rest of the country..

        The federal government has made a great case for itself to be greatly downsized due to incompetence and corruption. Why are communists being put on the ballots, being elected, and being sent to D.C. to run the country..For that matter, why would any foreigner be considered for a government office that gives him power to rule our country..

  • KG

    It’s the Ayn Rand Atheists versus the evangelical Nazis. This is the greatest thing for Mr. Obama. Victory is his.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Keep dreaming. With such an attitude as yours the Democrats/Leftists deserve you.

  • Vigilant

    “The government should fear the people. Not voting is a good beginning toward instilling that fear.”

    That’s one of the most absurd statements ever made here. DaveH is right, the PTB couldn’t care less if 90% or 9% of the electorate vote. They’ve disregarded the popular “mandate” for so long that we are viewed as simple tools to put them in office, and no more than that.

    “Instill fear?” Lew Rockwell/Conor MacCormack are delusional at best.

    • Warrior

      Here in chicago, 45% voter turnout is viewed as high and view the results. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and get this guy and the rest of his progressive cohorts out of office. Period!

    • Whit

      “The government should fear the people. Not voting is a good beginning toward instilling that fear.”

      Voting is one of the few rights we have left. Exercise that “right” while we still have it.

      • DavidL

        I understand that voting is mandatory in Australia. If you don’t vote you get fined $50.00. Wow, If we did that here we’d kill the deficit in one or two election cycles.

      • GALT

        Nope wouldn’t make a dent in the deficit…….

        In 2006, eligible voters in the U.S. ( census data ) 207, 643, 594.

        In 2008, voter turn out for president, 65 million to 60 million which totals 125 million.

        leaving 82.6 million non voters x $50 would yield; 4,150 Billion. ( rounding up to 83 )

        and you have to collect it………..

      • GALT

        actually 4,150 million or 4.150 billion….

      • DaveH

        I’m not so sure, DavidL. We currently have a heavily Propagandized citizenry who know little about the Principles of Freedom. There is a lot of learning to be done before we can hope to reclaim our Freedom.
        For those who would like to break free of the Spell and start thinking in ways that the Elites don’t approve:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

    • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

      The Republican’s have been the party of fear since 1980.

      • JJinCO

        The Democratic Party has been the Socialist Party since 1930.

      • Ted Crawford

        Actually JJinCO, or first Socialist President was elected in 1912!

      • DaveH

        Our biggest problems started in the late 19th century with the Progressives:
        http://mises.org/daily/1259

    • nc

      Vigilant, In an earlier post I ask you to watch “bush praising Fannie and Freddie” to see if you wanted to change your position that Bush really wanted them to change their policies that were helping HIS agenda on low income housing! How did that come out?? Did you watch it??

      • Vigilant

        Sorry, nc, I didn’t catch that. Could you re-post the link?

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          Dear American Citizen,

          I’ve been doing conventions long enough to realize that when you don’t have the numbers, things will not go your way.

          Today, we didn’t have the numbers. That is not in question.

          Four years ago, the Republican Party simply handled our R3VOLUTION by slamming the door in our faces with hardly any consequences.

          Today, the GOP establishment can no longer afford to employ these tactics.

          Instead, they’ve adopted new ones.

          Properly elected Ron Paul delegates were stripped from us. And when a motion was made to amend the Credentials Committee Report, it was ignored.

          Morton Blackwell, a longtime conservative activist and RNC Rules Committee expert, found himself indefinitely detained – along with the rest of the Virginia delegation.

          The RNC’s bus driver responsible for transporting delegates somehow “got lost” for well over an hour until a critical Rules Committee meeting adjourned.

          Blackwell and the Virginia delegation were heading up the efforts to defeat new RNC rules proposed by Washington, D.C.-based insider attorneys.

          These rules are designed to turn the Republican Party into a top-down organization and strip power away from state parties and grassroots activists of every stripe.

          All efforts to vote down these onerous rules were ignored despite a clear split in the voice vote.

          Sadly, these rules will now govern the party.

          While it is almost certain we did not have the votes on the floor to win either of these battles, a fair and open debate and recognition of our motions would have been a better way for these problems to have been handled.

          It didn’t have to be this way. And quite frankly, it’s a shame.

          It’s a shame for Ron Paul supporters. It’s a shame for conservative activists of all stripes, and it’s a shame for the Republican Party.

          However, you and I have much to be proud of.

          Many of the amendments our campaign fought for were included in the new GOP platform. Four years ago, many politicians in both parties scoffed at our efforts to audit the Federal Reserve.

          Now it’s in the Republican Platform – along with internet freedom, war only under a Congressional declaration, support for a gold commission, and fighting back against domestic drones.

          We also forced the establishment to cave in and seat more of our delegates than they wanted to.

          Instead of being shut out of the convention, Ron Paul was able to walk the floor and talk to his delegates Tuesday afternoon.

          Coalitions that have been built over the past several weeks on these battles will last long into the future.

          Our liberty movement is growing. It’s growing fast.

          And the underhanded actions we’ve seen over the past week are sure to drive more folks into our camp.

          I’m proud of our liberty movement. I’m proud of all we’ve accomplished. I’m proud of you.

          I strongly believe you and I are the future.

          Winning won’t be easy. Our opponents are determined to maintain their iron grip on power.

          But their days are numbered – if I can count on you to keep up the fight.

          The Ron Paul R3VOLUTION is not coming to end.

          Our R3VOLUTION will not end until limited government, free markets, sound money, and respect for individual liberty, constitutional principles, and a pro-America foreign policy are finally restored in America.

          And you will play a vital role in making this a reality.

          For Liberty,

          John Tate
          Campaign Manager

          P.S. The establishment is going to use every trick in the book to hold onto their power.

          But they know you and I are the future of the Republican Party. Their days in power are numbered – if I can count on you to stay involved.

          Our R3VOLUTION did not end today. It’s only beginning.

  • Donna Bell

    I am deleting this page. I just don’t understand why you want to bad mouth conservatives of any ilk. We need to win this election and you are not helping. Is Obama and this administration better? What you are doing is helping the other side. If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all. Bye!!!!!!

    • polly

      I agree Donna. With people like these, who needs BO henchmen eh? I will delete this page too. thanks@

    • polly

      I will be unsubscribing, cos all these people are doing is securing another term for BO!

    • David

      Donna, you must have failed Reading Comprehension in school…Voting for Mit/Paul is
      the same as voting for obozo. They are one in the same.

      • Cribster

        Romney does know how to balance a spread sheet. How about Obama?

        Romney will approve the Keystone pipeline, permits for drilling in the gulf and probably ANWAR. How about Obama?

        Romney loves a thriving business. How about Obama?

        Romney has plenty of faults but put him next to Obama and he looks like a savior. Let’s give Romney four years and stop the bleeding, if he doesn’t behave we can look at other options next election cycle.

      • Paul Wells

        I don’t buy it David. You may think so, but they at least understand that continuing to spend into oblivion will result in exactly that…Oblivion! I will concede the point that R&R is the lesser of two evils, but I’m still voting that way, and this column, nor anything else will change my mind!

      • DaveH

        Oh Please, Cribster and Paul. Ryan’s budget plan would balance the budget in 28 years. 28 years in Politician years is like NEVER.
        http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/paul-ryan-dont-believe-hype

      • James

        How in all of everything is Romney / Ryan the same as 0??

        Neither of Romney or Ryan are pushing a homosexual agenda.

        Neither Romney or Ryan are trying to have America pay for the ‘sins’ of colonialism like 0 said he wants to do in the book folks wrote for him.

        Neither Romney or Ryan have added TRILLIONS of dollars to the deficit. Romney actually SAVED companies and organizations like the Olympics from going bankrupt and Ryan has been studying budgets since he was eight.

        Neither Romney or Ryan take away millions of firearms and kill American citizens trying to go around the second amendment.

        Neither Romney or Ryan have depended on the public sector their ENTIRE lives.

        Neither Romney or Ryan bow to foreign powers.

        Neither Romney or Ryan think there are 57 States or believe in the corpse-man.

        Neither Romney or Ryan have disdain and hatred for our military.

        Neither Romney or Ryan’s wives have ever not been proud of being an American.

        There are TONS of differences between 0.

        • David

          You hit the nail on the head…Only trouble with what you said is getting “anyone” else to listen. If we don’t Stand together and Defend the System we have you know there are Millons everywhere who would step in and decide for us. The biggest thing we MUST prepare for is to take what is ours back if “Someone” ursurps their power and forces their treasonous plans upon U.S.A.ll !!!

    • Theresa Kelly

      Donna, how can someone be a true conservative and vote for candidates who stand in direct contradiction to everything a conserving believes? Romney/Ryans voting records are shameful!

      • Vigilant

        And Obama’s/Biden’s records more abominable by far.

      • DaveH

        Two wrongs still don’t make a right.

    • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

      The Republicans will just take us back to their policies of the last 35 years. Its the death dell of the Middle class.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Donna, the republicans are NO LONGER conservatives! We now have two liberal parties which follow the SAME agenda! Where can conservatives go to get representation?!? BOTH parties have sold out and no longer represent their constituencies. We have been left to TRY and find remnants of what the parties USED to be, but it is getting harder and harder to recognize them. Both parties continue to shift to the left! Just because these people call themselves “republicans” doesnt mean that they are conservatives! Perhaps we will see the demise of the republican party just as we saw the demise of the Whigs!

    • Dianne

      Amen!! Between this article and yesterday’s Romney No Savior (an expose on the Romney/Ryan ticket) I’m done. This is another sterling example of why and how the Republicans/conservatives/libertarians/RINO’s will give this election to Obummer on a silver platter tied up with a big red bow–no loyalty, no support, no cohesiveness, no circling of the wagons to support our own like the UNIFIED democrat/liberal/socialists do when one of their’s says or does something stupid on a daily basis. Akin has done a tremendous amount of damage and articles such as these at the eleventh hour is disgusting. Yesterdays article suggested we pick another candidate–right, we’re going to create utter & absolute chaos at the convention which the dems/libs would adore like manna from heaven to use against Romney/Ryan ticket at their own convention next week. Get real.

      • DaveH

        What difference does it make whether they call themselves Republicans or Democrats while they take away our Freedom and our Prosperity, Dianne?

      • Average Joe

        Dianne,

        Please watch this video and tell me that you still think Romney/ Ryan has the nation’s best interest at heart. This is apalling on so many levels and Romney feins ignorance of the fact.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llg-a8FamJg&feature=em-uploademail

        This the direction of the “new” neo-con Repuglican Party….is this what you want to vote for? Is this the direction that you want for our nation?

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Karolyn

        Some people prefer honesty to supporting what/who they don’t believe in. Honesty is wht it takes to have people think a little. There cerrtainly are not enough thinkers and a great many sheep.

    • nc

      Donna Bell, you want to replace Obama with the same Republican platform that produced the Hoover, Nixon, and the Daddy’s Boy Bush economic disasters? Why?

      Go to “Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants” and see how those three administrations performed in the free market stock market! That is what you really want?? Take a look!

      • DaveH

        There goes NC again, spreading his Bull.
        Here is a rebuttal to Tommy McCall’s biased treatment of market gains by Democrat Presidents by John Gruber:
        http://gnuhaus.com/iblog/archives/000388.html

        More to the point, it doesn’t matter if Democrats or Republicans are taking away our Freedoms or Prosperity. What matters is that we need to get them back, and it isn’t going to happen with Big Government. It never does.

    • DaveH

      Donna says — ” I just don’t understand why you want to bad mouth conservatives of any ilk”.
      They aren’t Conservatives, Donna. They are NeoConservative Progressives.

    • boyscout

      Bye,
      Best wishes

    • Karen

      Nothing is perfect but we have to get rid of Obama or we lose our country at least Romney is a good moral man. Please stop whining and let’s vote Obama out. No one is perfect that is why Jesus came to forgive us of our sins.

  • The Gizmo51

    Is God sending a messenger with a warning in the form of hurricane Isaac telling us and the world that the republinos must be stopped at all costs? Was Katrina the first to show us republino incompetence?

    • therealhawkman

      Yeah, about as much as God started the Great Chicago Fire to curb the corrupt government there. That worked didn’t it? Get a life.

      • dan

        lmao… :)

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      Methinks Katrina showed the corruption of the Pols in Louisiana, how they for years ignored warnings about a Cat. 5 hurricane and the levies not being able to handle such a disaster & used Federal money for fixing the levies for a gambling board & the incompetent racist mayor of New Orleans who was afraid of being sued for using a 100 parked school buses to get people out

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        I lived on the west bank from 84 to 90. The old boys I worked with told me, if we get a hurricane like 69s Camile, New Orleans was toast. That was Katrina.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          It’s no coincidence that that area gets hit all the time…terrible music, corrupt politics & the Mardi Gras a perversion of Sacred & ancient Catholic rituals…..The judgment will descend on all of America soon enough, if we don;t start bowing to the Light..Aye, I believe it has already begun & Obama has accelerated it !!!

    • Paul B.

      Yeah, kind of like the way the bungler in chief handled the oil spill. Could it have been any worse??? Delays in action for weeks, denying foreign assistance, allowing it to spread and contaminate the coast, holding all recovery efforts for his union buddies who couldn’t get their act together, and most often clueless as to methodology, lacking proper equipment that Obama was offered yet refused, etc., etc., etc.

      That is what we are working to change. You really want four more years of this?!?!?!

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        If you see ,”2016″, you’ll know why!!!!

      • Ted Crawford

        Even without viewing “2016′ it’s clear. It was his first major victory in his war on our domestic energy sources! His Campaign, headed by Steven(we have to find a way to raise the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe) Chu on the one hand and Lisa (I’ll regulate their guts out ) Jackson on the other is doing very well, from their standpoint!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It must not be too difficult for you to talk nonsense. Go vote for O already as you planned.

    • DaveH

      What Katrina showed us is the complete contempt that Politicians show to their subjects:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

    • boyscout

      The Almighty told me to stay on this page till I get to the bottom of it. So I must be in the right place, Ay ?

    • cawmun cents

      Yep…that bastion of Republican hiearchy known as NAWLINS’ is going to get hit by a hurricane as a reminder by God that republicans are bad and godless partiers who squander their resources by pandering to progressives and letting criminals control their environment are good.
      I propose a toast to Gizmo51 and his brilliant assumption!
      Skaal!
      -CC.

      • Karolyn

        Seriously?

  • Terry

    Okay, so who in the world should we vote for, or should we stay home and let Obummer win and take us completely down? We conservatives have to champion someone and please, let it be ABO!

    • David

      Let it be ABO and ABR…!

    • DaveH

      Champion somebody with Principles. That leaves out Romney and Obama.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        Being a Libertarian, I’m still going to vote for Romney, because I believe of the 2 sides, The Repubs. are closer to that platform, while the DEMS are light years away.

        Having said that, no one who votes on their principles is wasting their votes,and I do not judge or chastise them! I’d rather at this point be pragmatic !

      • Average Joe

        Baloney Toney Mahoney,

        LIbertarian?…Not hardly…At least you got your first name right……you are full of it.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says to you, POPPYCOCK !!!!

      • boyscout

        Baloney Toney Mahoney, So you still believe in two sides as in Dems and Rebs ?

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: Yes, both sides stink like rotten baloney!!! But, one stinks less!!!

      • DaveH

        Balogny,
        I’m inclined to agree with Joe. No True Libertarian would sacrifice his Principles to vote for a Big Government Politician. Quit pretending.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: This is a special case…..There’s bad & then there’s Obozo…My principles tell me , this is a time to be pragmatic..because 4 more years of this guy, & we may be off a cliff we can never up climb again, he may very well destroy the economy so badly, we may never recover, because that’s his agenda!!

  • boo

    so he is saying vote for obama ?

    • wsk

      Essentially, that is what these people are saying. I’m sorry, folks but I am an American first, a Conservative second and a Republican third; you fools are really cutting off your noses to spite your faces. Sad really.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WHY CAN’T YOU SEE?!? IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET THE SAME RESULTS?!? HOW’S THAT WORKING FOR YOU?!?

      • DaveH

        Einstein’s definition of insanity — “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

      • Average Joe

        wsk ,
        More like, Ignorant first, foolish second, idiot third, turncoat fourth.

        Remove your head from your posterior and stop being led over the cliff like foolish sheep.
        With so many people like you in the world….
        May God have mercy on us all
        AJ

  • Cribster

    So out of principal millions of voters stay home. Obama wins a second term where he has nothing to lose.

    I don’t see where the government being afraid of the people comes in to the equation, all I see is the last vestiges of America being ground under the usurpers foot.

    • David

      Amen! This is another David. The libertarians are upset that Romney beat Paul (who is done now) so they would rather us stay home and watch Romney be defeated. It’s a very sad state of affairs we are in when those of us who want to defeat the liberty eating muslim can’t see past the end of our nose. Let Romney unleash his Bain of the top heavy government. Let them build our defenses back up instead of handing all of our nukes to China and Russia. You people really are stupid to allow progressives to take this one.

      • dan

        I think we’re grieving about the lost opportunity to take our country back…and looking at the prospect of going down slow or fast…idealism took a heavy hit and we’re faced with the prospect of trying to make lemonade with muddy water.
        Call it God’s Will or in sha Allah but resistance would seem to be futile.if Cheney were still in charge ,we could have Haliburton build a death star and get it over with.

      • DaveH

        David says — “It’s a very sad state of affairs we are in when those of us who want to defeat the liberty eating muslim can’t see past the end of our nose”.
        Yes it is, David. You should get some glasses and correct that condition. Liberty will never be restored by underwriting Liberty Trampling Politicians.

      • Average Joe

        David,
        We are not upset about Ron Paul not getting the nomination…we actually forsaw this. We knew that the RNC/ GOP wouldn’t play fair. We knew that they would lie, cheat and steal delegates to make sure that Ron Paul wouldn’t become relevant within the party We knew that the MSM would go out of thier way to ignore and marginalize him at every opportunity….because he scares the hell out of the patry elites and MSM who wish to maintain the status quo and thier corporate empire of corruption.
        What upsets us it the shear ignorance of folks like you who can’t see that they are being played for fools and continue to buy into the lies that they have your best interests at heart.
        No amount of proof will change your minds, so I won;t bother to try and wake up up…continue your slumber.
        We wil still vote our conscience and ignore your insanity. If either Romney or Obama win, don’t complain to us…you will have the Government that you have asked for..enjoy the results of your own making. It won’t be because of who we voted for…it will be because of who you didn’t vote for…live with the consquences of your choices.

        Best Wishes,
        May God have mercy on us all
        AJ

    • Paul B.

      What many Paulie’s forget is that we still have Congress to temper these two guys, which is possibly even more important given the climate in the Senate with Reid these past 6 years, and Pelosi for 4 years. Please never again.

      Conservatives still can pressure the House and hopefully the Senate to temper these guys who i believe will bend tot he will of the people given enough pressure.

      Obama has NO INTENT to bend to anyone, even his own party. His ideology and plans to “fundamentally transform” the US would never allow it. With no re-ele3ction looming, these next for years could be the death of what we once knew as a free capitalist market.

      Paulie’s… if you want to effect change, you can’t sit back and pout about your primary loss. If Washington had that attitude, he would have never rallied his beaten down troops and crossed the Potomac. We would be like Canada today, still under British rule.

      If you love this country, you must work WITH conservatives to continue the transformation of the Republican party towards a firm commitment to smaller, less intrusive, government. The progressive Dems will NEVER work in that direction.

      Without the assistance of the Libertarians, the Progressives WILL create a permanent dependent base and then it Europe, here we come, only worse.

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        PERFECTLY SAID……that is why what that schmuck Akin did was so bad…he was shoo-in to win that vital seat!!

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “What many Paulie’s forget is that we still have Congress to temper these two guys, which is possibly even more important given the climate in the Senate with Reid these past 6 years, and Pelosi for 4 years. Please never again”.
        And what makes you think, Paul, that the people aren’t faced with the same non-choices in Congressmen as in the Presidential candidates?
        For Individual Freedom, Limited Government, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE that comes with a much smaller Government — Vote Libertarian! Quit letting the Establishment Elites guide you around by your nose rings.

      • Paul B.

        Poor Dave… wah, wah, wah. I have cheese for that Whine of yours.
        So what is your solution? Continue to vote for Ron Paul while the country crumbles around you. As Jagger states. ” You can’t always get what you want… but if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need.”

        Maybe Romney is what we need “right now” appealing to enough to get elected. I happen to like him, not love him or rejoicing, but I believe he is good enough, is a good person, knows how to run a business and create jobs and middle class. And with our coaxing, will do mostly the right things. That goes for Ryan as well.

        Sure Paul would clean up MORE of the corruption and waste, but HE wasn’t elected as our nominee… Period… end of story. If you want to play your games and protest progress, that is your choice… we will work that much harder to save your ass from the Obama’s destruction is re-elected.

        You might as well be one of the DC dependents that we will take of as well. How does that make you feel, to be classed with the vast dependency who live off the kindness and strength of those who choose to fight for what we believe is BEST for ALL OF US.

        Ron Paul is NOT on the ticket. Choose your vote wisely. Be a part of the solution, not the problem.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: This guy is right, nothing is set in stone, people can rise up & take command the right way, we need to pray if R&R get in…..With Obozo there is NO CHANCE!!!

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “Poor Dave… wah, wah, wah. I have cheese for that Whine of yours”.
        And then he proceeds to whine.
        You’re a joke, Paul. Save your manipulative techniques for ignorant Progressives who will fall for them.

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “we will work that much harder to save your ass”.
        Your ignorant kind has been “saving my ass” for over 40 years now, Paul, and guess what? Government is bigger than ever.
        I’d appreciate you more if you’d stay away from my “ass” and quit voting for people to steal my money, kill innocents, and butt into my personal choices.
        You fit right in here:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • Average Joe

        DaveH,
        I have the same view….they have been “saving my ass” for 56 years….Why do I feel so much…less safe? I would suggest that they spend more time “saving themselves” from the “lesser of two evils” mindset…and stop being mindless lemmings heading off of the cliff of ignorance.
        Best Wishes,
        AJ

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: If the average joes of this nation actually thought & felt like Average Joe, USA would be Victorious !!! And that is NO BALONEY!!!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Principles do not make a person stay home and not vote. That is a responsibility or duty that we must do because we are citizens and a Free People.

  • SammysDad

    I’ll take neocons over a anti-American corrupt arrogant dictator whose goal is to limit nothing but America!

    • gospelcowboy

      I’m all for limited gov’t., no dictatorship, etc. Since Obama has confessed he is a Muslim, and a communist, why is he even on the ballot? It’s proven he was born in Kenya, his parents were not American citizens, and his game from the git-go was to “fundamentally transform America” and we have seen it happening! DO vote; voting is the way to keep America strong. When our founders set the stage for the America we have known since 1776, they voted yay or nay and so should we! Anymore writings of the disgraceful sort and you can bet I’ll cancel my subscription!!

      • Debb

        All this crap from you ‘birthers’ is rather shallow. Forged documents is the craft of thieves and a lot of money, I for one along with millions aren’t ready to give up Hawaii as a foreign nation I find it amazing that you all are still falling for this. How much power does anyone think the President has? There is so much monied interest working against the people. RobinRomney/Ryan nor Obama would fare against any large financial stronghold.
        There are many reasons to not vote for Obama again, but the not so secret history of Romney and Ryan particularly protecting the financial interests of overly greedy companies is enough for strong doubt at the polls. 1%’s, where’s the jobs?
        There are other options for voting for the Presidency this year. Gary Johnson, Libertarian Party and Jill Stein, the Green Party. Many states will have them on the ballot with the Democrats and Republicans. Others will have to use the write-in system. For those who are fed up with Obama and Romney, please consider these others. As fed up as I am with the entire political scam that goes on every year in some election, I for one am not giving up my right to vote. With voter suppression de-facto, who knows if we’ll be able to practice the one-person one-vote (purportedly) system in four years.

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      If one sees the movie, “2016″, you will clearly see the motives that drive Obama…..Romney & Ryan might be on the wrong track here & there, but we don’t know what’s in their hearts & souls do we? In “2016″, we clearly see that Obama’s agenda is to destroy America…it cannot be denied…All bigtime pols except for maybe the Pauls & a scant few others are controlled, but Obama is a willing participant and glad to be one!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What is in a man’s heart and his soul comes out through his mouth and works his hands and his feet.

      • boyscout

        Did you not read the historical actions taken and the voting records? Please do so (perhaps again only with some comprehension this time) and tell me that you cannot extrapolate what’s in Mitten’s and PR’s hearts.

  • Fedup

    He beats the hell out of the communist muslim we have now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • boyscout

      Yes, he won by a nos in a battle with fiery pitchforks !

  • Kris Lounsbury

    I gave up on the presidential race a long time ago. The hope I have lies with the Senate which has picked up a few real constitutionalists (Paul, Lee, etc.) in the last few elections and the house which has done the same. Romney is the younger version of H.W. Bush and Mr. Viagra (Dole). Mr. Ryan;To put off balancing the budget until 2040 is to surrender our nation to the fate of Greece. We need to help true conservatives like Rep. Akin that the establishment repubs are trying to throw off the cliff because of a misstatement.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ricky.o.weber Ricky O Weber

    I tryed to optain a seat and ask our current President question’s at Cushing, Oklahoma aboue the XL Keystone Pipeline Project. When the Obama reps found out I was a Petroleum Landman since 1979 they would NOT let me take the assigned seat and ask President Obama ANY QUESTIONS!!!

    • Daveh234

      SOunds like shadows of the Bush henchmen who kicked out any dissenting opinions.
      It’s certainly not new in the political world.
      Saw 2016 and don’t believe the conclusions they attempt to push. The agenda is all they were pushing.

  • Ken S.

    Stop trying to start a “new card game” when we’re in the 11th hour of this game! … I’ll trust the Mormon versus the Muslim anytime and accept the cards as they’ve been dealt. We’ve gone thru months and months of dialogue and primaries and the voters have spoken so get used to it. Paul needs to sit on the sidelines and root for either The Stinky One (BO) or The Gov. and trust that the majority still want to have the Constitution respected and defended.

    • dan

      Agreed…at least the planks look promising ….but will Bishop Romney and the boy wonder …
      or the congress abide by them ?
      i remember something about being in the world but being separate….anyone know of a vacant cave ?

    • CLIFTON ENGLISH

      WELL SAID KEN !!!!

  • Mike V.

    The Best is the enemy of Good Enough. Obama must be defeated at all costs. We can sort out our troubles after we rid ourselves of the Communist in Chief. Purism a this time will only hasten the end of the Republic. Sometimes our side doesn’t know when it needs to fight a holding action to stave off total defeat. Start thinking people.

    • DaveH

      Start thinking? Like you think that’s what you’re doing? You would drive West to get to a destination North of you? How do you think that electing Big Government Politicians will get you Smaller Government?
      In a way, the NeoConservative Progressives have been worse for us than the Liberal Progressive Obamanites. Obama has shocked Americans into thinking about Freedom like never before. The NeoConservatives would be smarter and take away our Freedom more slowly until one day — SURPRISE! — it is Gone. I’ll take my chances with the Clumsier Obama, and HOPE and DREAM that he will finally wake moral, principled Americans out of their Apathetic Stupors. Meanwhile, I only vote for Principled Politicians (Ron Paul, Gary Johnson) who actually advocate shrinking our Leviathan Government:
      http://www.mises.org/daily/1850

      • James

        When there is a big canyon to the north, YES you drive west. After the canyon / 0 you can go north again.

        Or would you be so ‘ell bent on your destination you will not allow any detours and throw temper tantrums if things get in the way. Didn’t know that was the libertarian way to throw hissy fits. Thought you guys were supposed to be about what’s best for the nation?

  • John Nobile

    Romney/Ryan may not be the best answer for America, but it is a million times better than Obama/Biden. Obama is a Socialist/Muslim that is out to destroy America. I can’t say enough about how BAD Obama is for our country.

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      You are right on John!

    • Debb

      Obama being a “socialist/Muslim”. What does that mean? There is extremism in every political movement and religion. Why are people worried about the bread crumbs and pennies being thrown at the less fortunate (socialism), when the ‘throwers’ are holding onto and have access to dollars and gold? You fearful ones need to stop looking at so much corporate (fascist) backed media.
      Muslims? Christians (at least in this country) have participated in more acts of violence and hatred than any other group in recent history.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you prattled some words but didn’t say anything. So go vote for O already like you are planning to.

      • Daveh234

        Nadzieja doesn’t like dissenting opinions either? Prattle is all you do too.
        Aren’t we all? Really?

      • James

        Guess you missed out on Corkie wanting to kill folks at the Family Research Center?

        Guess you missed out on THOUSANDS of Christians being butchered in Egypt by the new muslim ‘leaders’ there?

        Guess you haven’t heard iran’s call to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

        Guess you haven’t heard about the flea baggers raping and murdering their own in their camps?

  • The Frog Prince

    I’m not sure all this constant labeling of people is the most productive thing to do as we approach this criutical election. That is unless the person doing the labeling wants to push people into reelecting Obama.

  • wsk

    What is wrong with you people. Romney/Ryan are our candidates. The time for all of your carping about who’s conservative enough, etc is OVER. We have to support Romney/Ryan at this point. Or do you really want 4 more years of the man-child messiah?

  • James Parker

    I, for one, barring a miracle this week at the GOP convention, will be voting for Gary Johnson (actually, the slate of electors supporting him).

    • wsk

      Your vote for Gary Johnson will be like 2 votes for the man-child messiah. Yeah, that’ll show Romney and the Repubs. Don’t be stupid.

      • James Parker

        I steadfastly refuse to vote for a lizard just so the “wrong lizard” won’t get in.

        If Obama wins, we lose.

        If Romney wins, we lose, but perhaps a tiny bit less.

        I won’t vote to lose.

      • Ted Crawford

        James
        What is your intent here? It seems tyhat many of your mindset intend to not vote this time and instead hope for a “better candidate” in 2016. If that is the idea, I believe that the error of that strategy was pointed out a long time ago ! ” The most dangerous strategy is to plan to jump a chasm in two leaps” Benjamin Disraeli

      • DaveH

        Ted says — “What is your intent here? It seems tyhat many of your mindset intend to not vote this time and instead hope for a “better candidate” in 2016. If that is the idea, I believe that the error of that strategy was pointed out a long time ago ! ” The most dangerous strategy is to plan to jump a chasm in two leaps” Benjamin Disraeli.”.

        James didn’t say he wasn’t going to vote, Ted. So why bring up what others might choose?
        If planning to jump the chasm in two leaps is dangerous, Ted. How will it be when you NeoConservatives have broadened the chasm by electing a Big Government Growther?

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      Are you always this stupid?

      • James Parker

        Are you always this devoid of content?

    • The Frog Prince

      Why not just cast your vote for Obama? This is NOT the election to pout and cast a protest vote.

      • James Parker

        Why not vote for Johnson? This is hardly the time to waste your vote on the lesser of two evils — especially since the difference between the two on the evil scale is so slim.

        Romney supported the financial bailout, just as did Obama.
        Romney supported government-mandated health care, just as did Obama.
        Romney supports risking US national security by massive borrowing to support a Soviet-style foreign policy based on military superiority, just like Obama.
        Romney won’t stop deficit spending, just like Obama.
        Romney supports the DEA’s and Homeland Security’s war against the American people, just like Obama.

        The only real difference I see is that Romney wants to borrow money and infringe freedom to prevent abortion, while Obama wants to borrow moneyand infringe freedom to subsidize it.

      • Paul Wells

        To James Parker.

        Because a vote for either Johnson or Ron Paul is guaranteed to put Obummer in office again. It will ONLY take votes away from Romney. if you can’t see that, then you are blind!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I wouldn’t vote for obumass if I had a gun to my head!!! And I’m NOT pouting OR protesting!!! I will vote FOR the person who reflects my values and is most likely to return this country to freedom!!! Badgering and bullying will NOT sway me!!! It is because of people like you that “they” were ABLE to take over and destroy our country!!! If you refuse to stand up and do the RIGHT thing, you cannot BLAME people who had the courage to do so! The evidence is right before your very eyes! If you continue to vote for “their” candidate, you WILL get MORE of the SAME!!!

      • DaveH

        Paul says — ” if you can’t see that, then you are blind!”.
        Ahh yes, the manipulative tactics of a Progressive.
        James vision is quite well, Paul. He is smart enough to know that you can’t shrink Government by electing an Establishment Big Government Politician. Methinks you are the one who needs glasses, Paul.

    • Paul B.

      Voting is a right we all have. It can be principled or purposeful, that is the choice we have to make… each one of us. While I support the principle vote, it becomes a shame when that principle gets buried by the winner which could have been avoided with a purposeful vote.

      It’s everyone’s choice, although we ALL must live with the results. We can only hope that those “principled” voters truly understand the implications and are willing to accept the unintended results of their votes. If so, then I can’t say a word about it… nor more than I can blame an Obama voter for being so… well… I won’t say idiot……………. but, being kind, I will say uninformed, blinded by the media, or “incapable of, or unwilling to, handling their own life.”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I say, if you are willing to throw away your principles and support a candidate that you KNOW will not be good, then it is YOU who will be responsible!!!

    • James

      I have gotten WAY beyond sick of you folks. Romney won, GET OVER IT!! Romney / Ryan are LIGHT YEARS better than 0.

      So Romney is a Mormon and fears God, BIG DEAL!

      So Romney (and Ryan) is married to one woman, the same woman that he married to start with. That’s BAD?!? It’s bad he stuck with her even through her fight with breast cancer and MS??

      Romney had Romneycare in his home State, BIG DEAL!! The PEOPLE of Massachusetts wanted it. Imagine that, an elected official who does what their PEOPLE WANT! And that’s BAD??

      Romney is RICH, that’s BAD?? He made his money on his own, not through the government giving it to him. HE created or saved MILLIONS of jobs for the middle class in the private sector (Domino’s Pizza, Burger King, Staples, The Sports Authority, Accuride, Brookstone, Sealy Corporation, and Artisan Entertainment to name a few).

      He attended BOTH Harvard Business AND Law schools simultaneously and graduated at the top of his class (what were 0s grades?)

      He donated his entire inheritance to charity.

      He was a high-ranking member of his Mormon church that he took NO SALARY for.

      He took over a failing Olympics and made it solvent. He did the work for free.

      He took over a failing State and brought it out of the hole with NO SALARY.

      He needs to take over a failing Nation and work his Bain magic / mentality on it to cut away wasteful parts and make it prosperous again.

      REALLY people, get over your hate/jealousy of a REALLY successful guy.

      Chances are good that he’ll help the Nation and you. I REALLY don’t want an old, crazy guy in office who thinks Iran having nuclear bombs is a good thing. After they ‘Wipe Israel off the face of the Earth’ they’ll want to deal with the ‘Great Satan’. US. America. The United States. You’ll be able to think how great you were putting paul in office while Georgia, Florida, and the Carolinas swim in a nuclear sea and they set their sites on the next States.

      Really, get over it….

      • Average Joe

        James ,

        You write:
        “Romney won, GET OVER IT!!”

        I am guessing that you have a differnt definition of winning than the rest of us?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llg-a8FamJg&feature=em-uploademail

        If you have to lie, cheat and steal to win…is it really considered “winning”? Oh wait…I guess the end justifies the means…great morals to teach our children…Thank for nothing James ole boy. As for the rest of your diatribe…yada yada yada…..

        BTW, I’m still voting for Ron Paul…I guess that pretty much nullifies your vote…glad I could help…..I won!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Daveh234

        The Romney koolaid is thick in your veins James.
        That sounds like right wing media lies too.

      • James

        How does your vote nullify mine?

        I’ll be voting for someone who actually has a chance to win the election and try to turn the train wreck of the 0 administration around.

        You’ll be voting for someone who won’t. On a VERY few items I like Paul. On most of them he’s FAR from the perfect president unless you want to have the game ‘Fallout’ be a reality with iran unloading on the little and great satans?

        Since I’m voting for Romney and you’re voting for some other guy, how do they cancel out?

        The only way your vote would cancel mine is if you vote for 0. You see those are opposite votes, so they would cancel each other in meaning. Voting for another not 0 will not take away my voice against him.

        So yeah, I still ‘win’ as you put it. I’m hoping the rest of America (even you and a lot of others here) do too. = ]

      • Average Joe

        James ,
        By nominating Romney, The GOP has commited political suicide. They can’t win the Office of the presidency without our help…period. By dienfranchizing the Ron Paul supporters, Republicans, democrats and independents…you know, those folks who would have voted Republican because of Dr. Paul? Those folks will now vote independent or Democrat…Romney will lose and the Republican party will become irrelevant…political suicide. Don’t fret too much though, as I believe this was done by design in order for those in the GOP to insure there place in the food chain of the NWO…the puppet masters have won…game set, match….. I wrote about this below….America has been sold down the road…no matter who we vote for…the deal has been made….and we all lose.

        Good luck, AJ

  • wsk

    Republicans/Conservative can self-destruct better than anyone. “We have met the enemy and he is us”. I’m thinking about joining with Donna. This website is getting crazier by the moment. I’ll give it a little more time though before jettisoning.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Why not just go now? You come to a libertarian site, and what????? You complain because some of the people have libertarian ideals?!? Maybe you’ll stay a bit longer because you’re starting to wake up to the left/right paradigm? BOTH the republicans AND the democrats are giving you the SAME crap!!! If you’re happy with that, go ahead and go!

  • Theresa Kelly

    Excellent! Very well written!

  • http://www.aol.com IL _ conservative

    OK, so you stay home and don’t vote and Obama gets elected. We know that he has robbed from us and built up $15 trillion debt. I personally would rather have the lesser of two evils especially knowing what Obama will do — do not forget his promise to the Soviets, “I will be a lot more flexible after this next election”. Not voting is voting for Obama.

    The second piece, doing a write in candidate — how much notice will write-ins get. None, that is how much. You are dillusional and falling into the trap set by the democrats which is to try to suppress the vote for Romney. The best way to have your voice heard is writing articles, writing op eds, holding elected officials to their promises, doing rallies where your cause and viewpoints can be heard. Not voting or writing in someone just gets Obama re-elected and a garauntee that he will quickly erode all of our freedoms — you have to look no faarther than all of the executive orders that he has signed bypassing the constitutional roll of Congress.

    • Debb

      Bypassing the constitution as been going on for decades. At least going back to Nixon.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        Yeah, but this Chicago-style Cabal has taken it to another level !!! Obozo makes Nixon look like a boy Scout!!!!

      • Debb

        To BTM:
        A ball rolling down a hill picks us speed. Each successive President will only sign more. Don’t expect Romney to Executive Order any less.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: Not all executive orders are bad or illegal…..can you see Romney signing off on DREAM ACT or easing WELFARE WORK REQUIREMENTS?

      • DaveH

        Only the Congress is authorized by the Constitution to pass laws, Balogny.
        Executive rules only apply to regulatory agencies under the President’s command. Anything else is strictly UnConstitutional. Welcome to the Brave New World of Law Breaking Politicians.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: Yes, I know that, that is why I said not all ex. orders are illegal..most since FDR have been, yes that is true…Repubs, are full of baloney for letting Obozo get away with so many crucial & debilitating ones!!

          BTW, I prefer BALONEY to BALOGNY…..but, we live in a “free” nation!!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What you want to hear from someone is that Romney/Ryan will win the election. Okay, Romney/Ryan will win the election. Obamacare will be abolished. Business regulations will be nullified and businesses and jobs will take off like a proverbial shot.
      But, this will cost you something in Freedoms being curtailed since the busybodies and dogooders will be busier than ever.

  • http://none Mary

    Yes, you do have to choose the lesser of two evils. Otherwise, you choose the worse byi default. Mary.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Mary, it’s so nice to know that you’ve sold your soul to the devil! If you think yhat you MUST choose between two evils, then you’ve already LOST!!!

  • Ken

    This is a great article and another “UH-DUUUUUUUH!” moment here! Romney will be as bad or worse than Barry….bend over and get ready!

    • http://www.aol.com IL _ conservative

      Remember it is not just the Presidency — some stupid protest vote gets cast, what does it do. We re-elect Obama and HE GETS ANOTHER SUPREME COURT appointment and we then have a liberal court for the next 30 years. It is more than jsut sending the Republicans a message.

      The Goals

      (1) Get Obama out of office so his wife and he stop living high ont he hog with monthly
      vacations and lavish WHite House parties at our expense
      (2) Get Obama out of office so he cannot appoint any more judges
      (3) Rid the Senate of Reid’s control
      (4) Get rid of Obama so that he cannot sign any more executive orders
      (5) Throw Obama out of office so that immigration laws can be enforced
      (6) Get rid of Obama and keep pressure on the Republicans that they need to trim
      the government — Obama never will, so re-electing him by your defacto vote for
      him will ensure continued expansion of the government

      I am so sick and tired of people justifying their defacto support for Obama. Any vote for anyone besdes Romney or not voting are defacto votes for Obama — so just go ahead and vote for him straight on the ballot and give up this charade.

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        Good point, look how old the Court is more Kagans & Sotmayors & Ginsburgs await…then again with Romney , you might get another back-stabbing, no balls & brains SOB like Roberts !!!!!!!!!!

        • http://www.aol.com IL _ conservative

          Yeah, good point. I would still take a Roberts (who I feel was pressured in a truly illegal and immoral way publically and possibly privately by Obama) over the selections that Obama has made. Kagan should be thrown off the court. I think we need to elect Romney then push for a full investigation into the qualifications of Obama and try to use that to get his selections to the court removed.

          • KENYAN KRUSHER

            May I remind you that Roberts also blocked any hearings that Kagan recuse herself from sitting in judgement on KenyanKare…that was the most clear example of conflict of interest ever!!!

      • San

        good points
        Obama will destroy America. that is his destiny.
        We must get him out. Not voting is not an option. the senate is also critical to getting a budget that can reduce the deficit. It will not happen as fast as we want, but if Obama has his way, it will be the end of US.
        We need an amendment to the constitution:
        Congressional Reform Act of 2012
        1. No Tenure/No Pension
        A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they’re out of office.
        2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
        All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.
        3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
        4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.
        Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
        5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
        6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
        7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/12.
        The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.
        Congress made all these contracts for themselves.
        Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.
        The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
        THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!

      • DaveH

        The Supreme Court was never given the Power in the Constitution to be the final arbiter of Constitutionality. They just took that Power. To expect a Branch of the Federal Government to rule against the Federal Government is just, well, Naive.
        A solution:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2YaTVRR90g

      • DaveH
    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      You miss your government hand outs already, don’t you?

      • http://personallibertydigest Joel

        That was for Ken!

  • Polski

    First the governor of WISCONSIN screws the citizens and now the Congressman from WISCONSIN is trying to do the same thing. Woe to all who vote for WISCONSIN.

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      Yeah, Walker really screwed the citizens of Wisc., by wiping out their debt & balancing the budget, without laying anyone off & reduced the abusive power of the unions, thereby setting the state up for better times for years to come……he’d make a better president than Romney or Ryan or Obama !!!!

    • wsk

      That’s why Walker won his recall election by a wider margin than the first one… Mucking Foron!

    • Average Joe

      Polski,
      I am guessing that you are either a Teacher( term used loosely) or a Union Schill…which is it? Because the only folks screwed in Wisconson…were the teachers unions…and rightly so.

  • Frank Brown

    I cannot agree with not voting. We must get Obama out of office. We must take back the Senate. Then, we must keep up the pressure on Mitt and company. Neocons or not, four more years of the O will change our America forever.

  • ani raz

    So what’s your solution Macormack? Stay home on principle and wake up the next morning with the heavy boot of the communists on our throats?

  • dan luster

    In office, Obama has defined what he meant by “fundamental transformation” as replacing our republican system with a top-down order. To do this he is undermining local and state government authority, reordering civil society and collapsing our private economy. To him, the centrally planned nanny-state is infallible. That being said, I understand people’s concerns over the Romney-Ryan ticket, espescially from the esteemed Cato inst.. If Romney wins, it will be because people are fed up with the current president not gushy enthusiasm, and chills up people’s legs. The Republican party has a history of feeding the American people b.s.This is their last chance to put an end to it.

  • http://personallibertydigest Joel

    Conor, You’re an idiot! Young and stupid! Should BO get re-elected it would take seven generations to rectify his policies if we started in 2016. To advocate not voting is re-electing him. You don’t stop to think of all the children now in school that would be brain washed into socialism. You’re just another damn coward. We are in a time where God is too small and government is too big. Get some balls!

    • Ted Crawford

      ” Liberty is a harsh mistress. You cannot choose what you like and dislike about her. Liberty will not change her Principles for you, no matter how much you claim to love her. She will standfast in her demands for total acceptance. If you cannot recieve her, she will recognize you as a false lover and leave you. And when you hear that door slam, it will take every tear in your eye, every ounce of blood in your veins and all the nerve in your heart to win her back!” Bill Masters

  • Ted Crawford

    It seems I’ve made a grievous error in my evaluation of Dr. Paul! I’ve always thought him a sincere, freedom loving, strong willed American! What troubles me now is this venomous, intolerant, America bashing, Conservative bashing, actually anything save Ron Paul bashing Cult that has sprang up around his banner!
    It’s clear that I strongly, even very strongly, disagree with Dr. Paul in many areas, but I just as strongly agree with him in others! What eludes me is, how could a man , as i previously described, spawn a group who would, while after the manner of Alinsky clothed in the mantle of Morals and Principles, return the “Keys to the Kingdom” to a man who, if Dr. Paul is who I’ve thought him to be, is the textbook defination of his Antithesis! It boggles the mind!
    The current presumptive Republican Candidates aren’t the ones I would have choosen, in fact Romney wasn’t even on my short list. However they are a step, even if a small one, in the right direction! Success, sustainable success that is, is measured in progress, seldom in hugh leaps!
    I’m forced to re-research Dr. Paul! Perhaps I’ve been mistaken about the quality of his character!

  • Pat

    It blows my mind that people cannot see what is happening to this country. If Obama gets another term, it will be the end of America as we have known it. God Bless America.

    • Retired Army Officer

      It blows my mind how people can proclaim “the end of America as we know it” but can’t articulate what that “end” looks like…..nor can they articulate what “we know” America to be right now!

      • dan luster

        Take a good look @ Greece, or southern Europe for that matter. If that’s not enough, how about Detroit.

      • Retired Army Officer

        Dan…..in case you haven’t noticed, Detroit is on a rebound (slow but it’s happening).

        And our ‘path’ to debt and our ‘path’ out of debt are/will be significantly different from South Europe.

        As stated…..people talking about ‘the future state’ things that they aren’t even willing (or are able) to try to articulate. Not a particularly good recipe for swaying intelligent people to your way of thinking (if that’s what you call it)…..

      • Daveh234

        Latest news is Detroits car manufacturers are doing thebest they have done in decdes.
        Three shifts at the fctories, 24 hours a day to meet the demand.
        Saved by money loaned to keep them up and running.
        The Small Business Administration is reporting the same increases throughout the country, an upswing for small businesses through the influx of fewer regulations, yes he said fewer regulations, for the sall business community. Not at all like the Repubs are crying about.

  • RED

    All you people that are going to go Vote in November for “Ron Paul” and “Gary Johnson”are doing nothing but standing on a principle that will just push Barack Obama a little closer to another term. Every Vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson you write in just nullifies one of the Votes for the Nominee that really could win. In time,the Libertarians will have their chance, but for now we need to come together and toss out Obama and Biden!!! We’re going to pass the 16 trillion mark on the debt this week. This country is at the point that it can’t stand any more division and indecisions. WE ALL need to stand collectively, as Americans, and start fixing our problems one at a time as a group instead of running in 10 different directions. We need to think with our heads right now, and not with our hearts.

    “A single twig easily breaks, but the bundle of twigs is strong”-Tecumseh

    • James Parker

      Would you care to give some reason, other than “he’s not Obama” to support Romney? If you can’t, why not vote for someone who gives you reason to support him (or her)?

      • dan luster

        Given that the state with the best economy is North Dakota, how about expanding oil and gas drilling? Why not become a net exporter of oil and gas? That’s a start. You asked for a reason how Romney is different.

        • KENYAN KRUSHER

          Also, remember that if Obama goes, Holder goes & he is the worst of the worst…can anyone imagine Romney picking someone worse??? Holder is still extorting banks to give out bad mortgages to people of color and this could cause another housing bubble!!

          Does anyone think Romney would’ve have unilaterally signed the DREAM ACT….wake up people , there are differences!!!

      • wsk

        How about:
        He’s pro business
        He’s pro domestic energy
        He’s pro America
        He’s has a proven record of success
        He’s an all-aroun decent human being.
        Which of those applies to the man-child messiah?

      • Average Joe

        wsk,
        1. He’s pro TARP bailouts
        2. He’s pro NDAA
        3. He’s pro Patriot Act
        4. He believes that theFederal Reserve is just fine
        5. He believes that bailing out GM was good..and his Idea
        6. He believes that bailing out Wall Street for bad behavior was the right thing to do
        7. He belives that everyone should be forced to buy healthcare
        8.He believes that Timothy Gietner and Ben bernake are doing a fantastic job
        9 He believes that it’s OK for a president to kill Americans without trial
        10. He believes that indefinite detention of Americans is OK …without due process
        11. He believes it’s OK to go to war without Congressional Approval

        Yup, Romeny Sounds like a true All American Guy to me (sarcsam)…Just Like Obama….two peas in a pod. The only difference…Tan Lines……

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUs17azUFs

        Wake up…….

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

  • caroli

    Go see the documentary movie “2016 Obama’s America. I guarantee you won’t be voting for Obama!! You will be mad and you will be horrified at what Obama has done to this country and what another four years in office would mean….The total collapse of America! This was his Father’s Dream (Obama’s Book) and that is what he plans to carry out!

    • Retired Army Officer

      I saw the movie. A lot of drivel…..IMO.

      Half the audience were wearing aluminum foil head gear and pi ss ing their pants……

      • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

        Thank you for your service, but my good man, YOU ARE BLIND AS A BAT !!!!

      • redd1958

        Spoken like a True Liberal Obama Butt Licker!! I seen the Movie too Butt Kisser!! And you’re just too stupid to admit to yourself it’s all truth. What I didn’t like about the movie is that it didn’t tell me anything that Obama hadn’t already written about in his Books!! But I guess you don’t read either, do you “Retarded Army Orificer”!!!You are a moron at best!!

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Now, now, no reason for that type of language for someone who served this nation….you should be thanking him.

      • Retired Army Officer

        Hey redd…..you sound mad, bro.

        They have medicine…..and anger management classes to take care of that, ya know.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Tell us why you even bothered to see the movie 2016, just to denigrate the viewers. That you are more superior than they are.

  • SMarche

    Poor Conor, when was the last time he visited his psychiatrist ?????

  • redd1958

    If Romney and Ryan win the election, and doesn’t stand up for America and it’s principles we can toss them out in 2016, and it will just bolster a stronger case for the Libertarians to proclaim it’s time for a change. But for now, it’s time to throw out the Marxists we have there now.

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      Whoever wins, within the next 4 years, Rand Paul should start his own party & get on with the reclaiming of the great Liberty & Freedom this nation’s laws were based on!!! THE TIME IS RIPE!!!!

      • Retired Army Officer

        You really think Ayn Rand Paul has any REAL shot at a national office>

        Dillusion; thy name is Krusher.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          With God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE !!!! Why not?? The people are more & more fed up…at least the man abides by the Constitution, a Divine Document!!!

      • redd1958

        Rand Paul should start pushing for a new party on November 7th!!! And keep it a constant reminder to Americans that there will be another choice besides D or R in 2016…..The Libertarian Party should be a thorn in the side of the present political parties we have. Just to keep them honest if nothing else.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          AMEN, Brother !!!!!

      • Retired Army Officer

        OOOOppert……the Constitution is a well thought out document for its time, and the admendments to it have helped to keep it current and solidify the rights of many.

        And though I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic……I hardly think it is a “Devine Document”.

        I mean……really?

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          I firmly believe the hand of the Almighty was behind the formation of this nation, and it laws & looked how blessed we are, with all these resources, etc….even with all that’s wrong, I would not want to be anywhere else

    • Average Joe

      redd1958 ,
      You write:

      “If Romney and Ryan win the election, and doesn’t stand up for America and it’s principles we can toss them out in 2016, and it will just bolster a stronger case for the Libertarians to proclaim it’s time for a change.”

      Care to make a wager on that?
      From an interview with Romney on Saturday (and Romney has the audacity to fein ignoance):

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llg-a8FamJg&feature=em-uploademail

      Once in Office…you will not get rid of any sitting President. If you still think Romney / Ryan or Obama / Biden are the right choices for America…God Help us all……
      Please…. send Romney a thank you letter for this brilliance…..

      The time…is now…there will be no later…wake up already….the ship is sinking …NOW.

      Good Luck,
      AJ

  • topcat

    This artical would have us believe that Paul Ryans single votes stamped the outcome in cement. Looks to me like Ryan did his job as best he could, given the alternatives of the issue. Congess votes bills into law by majority votes…..not by one Congressmans vote.

    • Retired Army Officer

      But a Congressman (or Senator) can choose to support or oppose the bills that come up for votes.

      In consideration of the bills that Ryan has supported over the past 7 congressional terms, a darn good case can be made to granting him ‘Neocon’ status.

  • Sande

    too bad JESUS isn’t on the ticket.

    • redd1958

      LOL—Jesus is on the ticket Sande!!! Jesus is in all things!! Have faith!!

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      God is the only solution to every personal, national & planetary challenge!!! Whatever philosophy one follows, if there is not honor, integrity or truth, what difference does it make?

      INNER MEANING OF GOVERNMENT: “GOD OVER MEN”

    • dan

      Amen to that….I ask myself how He would vote…wait for it……
      Ron Paul :)

      Remember the Reagan landslide….he wasn’t my first choice,then,after being forced to choose Bush (CIA/NWO) as his VP ….but it wasn’t all bad after that by a long shot

    • Debb

      Jesus wouldn’t vote. He would try to usurp the political machinery through Occupy.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        Methinks, Jesus would say Obama took an oath in my name to uphold the Constitution and protect the nation, and being a Christian, he should have done that…Ask Jan Brewer how that last part is going !!!!!

      • Debb

        Politicians take a lot of oaths. I have yet to see any of them do what they swore to. Maybe jail time for lying under oath would be sufficient. Our jails would be more full from so many white-collar liars. Not just Obama.

  • Dorian Douglas

    First of all, we are way past deciding on the candidates. We have 2 slates, so stop the stupid bickering. We need to stop Soros/Obama. We can fix Romney/Ryan if they break something.

    Second, wise up about Obama. He is not socialist, he is fascist. Socialist own everything, fascist control everything without actually bothering to own. Obama/Soros just control. Soros is doing just what he learned from Hitler. Obama’s occasional socialist rhetoric is a smoke screen.

    Dorian Douglas

    • Retired Army Officer

      Dorian…….I’ll be sure to keep that in mind when Romney/Ryan start breaking sh…..uh…..I mean…..’stuff’.

    • San

      right on.

  • Retired Army Officer

    Ryan is a Neocon?!?!?

    LMAO……I was wonderin’ when someone was gonna figure that out!

    • Ted Crawford

      While I wasn’t an officer, just a lowely NCO, as a LRRP Teamleader my team didn’t want me to identify the problem. It was, even as it is now, fairly obvious. What they wanted from me was ANSWERS! You are very long on describing your vision of the problems, however I’ve yet to see you offer even so much as ONE possible solution ! Might you have one?

  • Bob

    Sounds like your playing right into Obama’s hands. He wants us to stay home.
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Rove-Obama-discourage-voting/2012/08/27/id/449908?s=al&promo_code=FE09-1

  • Ed Kellner

    Keep it up guys. Of course everyone knows President Obama has none of the faults you keep hammering on with the Republican nominees. So when we wake up the next morning and find we have him for another four disasterous years, we can all say, “Thank you so much, Bob Livingston, for saving us from all those attacks against our personal liberty.” When the socialists take over, we won’t have to worry about that because we won’t have any liberty to defend!!!!
    By the way, please unsubscibe me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Robyn

      AMEN!!!!! The choice as I see it is ; we have two (2) candidates, your vote will be cast for :O’Bama, who clearly HATES America, OR Romney, who clearly LOVES America…The EVIL has already been unleashed on our Country. There remains so much healing that needs to take place. I will always choose LOVE over HATE any day and twice on Sunday.
      I say VOTE, VOTE, VOTE…..
      “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
      … Edmund Burke

    • San

      Bob Livingston is going to bring down America by promoting these “Don’t Vote” writers. I will no longer take his advise. I have to believe that Romney and Ryan will be better for the freedom of our country than the America hater Obama. Disappointed also, in Ron Paul for not doing what is best for America and endorsing the Republican ticket. He is a sore loser and has spawned a whole group of sore loosers. I voted for him, but have to vote for RomneyRyan to get Obama out and begin a recovery. Obama is the road to destruction and it needs to be reversed. Next election, we can try for more libertarian and smaller government. But we have to start the reversal of the direction Obama has been putting us on.

  • dan

    yeah, but he’s buff and the Bishop has great hair…so guess who’ll win the election.lol’s

    • dan

      previous was for ret army officer (thank you for serving)…
      but Bob is right… and really , Karl Rove is part of the amoral sickness that is politics

  • Jerome Davis

    I don’t like your opinion of Ryan. How do I stop your messages?

  • Ron

    Don’t you think all this infighting is just what the Democrats and Obama want, its time we stick together and defeat this anti -God and Constitution killer. If this Muslin who is not a legal citizen gets reelected he will change this country beyond belief.

  • TomH

    The way I see it, a ham sandwich would be better fitted as president than the marxist-in-chief

  • Bastiat

    What is wrong with all the neo-cons who are deluded into thinking Romney would be any different than Obama???? Where were all of the republicans (including Ryan) when Obama was committing acts of treason against the republic? I am sure there is sufficient evidence to support probable cause to issue an arrest warrant for high crimes and misdemeanors.

    SEE OBAMA’S ENDLESS, STUNNING LIST OF FELONIES, CRIMES AND ABUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION AND LAW… FAST & FURIOUS, GUNRUNNER, GUN WALKER, GRENADE WALKER, GUNS FOR DRUGS, REZKO, BLAGOVICH, ILLEGAL ALIENS, TAX FRAUD, VOTER FRAUD, IDENTITY FRAUD, CLIMATE FRAUD, REPARATIONS FRAUD, OBAMACARE FRAUD, POSSE COMISTATUS, POLICE STATE, HOMELAND SECURITY TERROR, TSA TYRANNY, WAR POWER ACT VIOLATIONS, HATCH ACT VIOLATIONS, UNCONSTITUTIONAL PATRIOT ACT, FINANICAL CRIMES, LYING ON SENATE DISCLOSURE FORMS, COVER-UPS, MURDER, 2ND ADMENDMENT VIOLATIONS, TREASON, ILLEGAL SUPER CONGRESS, BRIBEGATE, BLACK PANTHER VOTER INTIMIDATION, BAIL-OUTS, TAKEOVERS, INTERNET TAKEOVER, ATTACKS ON FBI, CIA, MILITARY, AND LOTS, LOTS MORE!!

    The republicans could have arrested him at any time. But they chose not to do so and instead give us their dog and pony show convention. A convention that will go down in history as the most corrupt abuse of party politics America has ever seen.

    In 1974, the House Judiciary Committee voted three articles of impeachment against then President Richard M. Nixon for actions “subversive of constitutional government.”

    Father of the Constitution, James Madison, observed that, “Of all the enemies of public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other…. War is the true nurse of executive aggrandizement.”

    Romney and Ryan support endless, undeclared wars, just like Obama.

    James Madison also instructed that “no nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”

    The exclusive congressional power to commence war under Article I, section VIII, clause XI of the Constitution is the pillar of the Republic and the greatest constitutional guarantor of individual liberty, transparency, and government frugality.

    The only difference between Romney and Obama is that Obama is clearly a socialist and Romney appears to be a capitalist. In reality Romney is a crony capitalist. He does not care about free market capitalism. He will not abolish the Fed. He will defend his friends at the Fed and the big banking cartel before he will defend our Constitutional rights. Romney is a corporatist fascist. And the truth is, there is no difference between socialism and fascism.

    If you study history the philosophical difference between the fascists and the socialists was minor, if existent at all. Each of these schools reject the efficacy of reason, affirm the principle of altruism, and uphold some form of collectivism. The inevitable result of these views is the destruction of freedom, which is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany and in Soviet Russia.

    Obama represents socialism and Romney represents fascism. That is there difference and that is their similarity.

    What should true patriots do:

    We should arrest Obama and try him for treason.

    When the people compromise on the principles of liberty they do not deserve a constitutional republic.

    Vote for the Libertarian candidate.

    • James

      ‘The Republicans could have arrested him at any time’?? Guess you guys don’t know as much about our country as you’re saying you do. In order to ‘arrest’ 0 he would need to be impeached.

      With reid and the democrats controlling the Senate, Ron Paul has a better chance of being President than that happening…

  • Ell

    I’ll pick Paul Ryan’s record against Joe Biden’s any day. Remember, Rtan’s running for Vice President. Romney is the candidate for President – and I’ll likewise pick him over failed Socialist Obama.
    Anyone who wants to vote for so-called Libertarian Ron Paul will be destroying all hope of taking back America – and will give Obama 4 more years to finish his job of spreading misery and destruction across the land.

    Ron Paul wisely supports the Republican candidates because he doesn’t have anywhere near enough votes to win – and he knows that it would only split the Republican vote , and hand Obama 4 more years to finish destroying a free America.

  • http://Firefox Simon Shute

    Obama HAS to go. It is easy to find things to gripe about in any candidate, but in Romney and Ryan we have two men who, I believe, want to do what it takes to bring the nation back from the brink of economic collapse that Obama appears determined to take us over. They also express an allegiance to God that I find believable – and that appears to be (dare I be so judgmental) all but missing on the other side. My take is that the root cause of all our national problems is that we are losing our moral compass, which is the Word of God. The Constitution is a worthless document in a godless society. We are not yet godless – far from it. But we are like the frog in the pan of water that is slowly heating up to the boil. We are becoming so accustomed to society’s fraying moral fabric that we are in danger of embracing it as inevitable, if not OK. But that’s another issue. Right now, I urge everyone not to sit this election out, however disillusioned you may feel about the Republican ticket. A vote not cast is effectively another vote for Obama. And he MUST go!

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      To all who know the truth about the Interloper…do you really want him to get away with it again for 4 more years????????? he is no part of the mandala of this nation, he has not one iota in his consciousness of freedom or liberty, or the divine origins of this antion..Aye, he is a Godless soul!!!

  • Shavis

    Ya still taking your bat and ball and going home if ya can’t play your way? I would have thought you’d have gotten over that by now.

  • jopa

    Well I guess the Republicans really showed Ron Paul and his delegates who’s the boss in Tampa.They not only shut down their voting, the little show they had planned to show how great he was and now the delegates are going to be out of camera view up in the nose bleed sections in case they demonstrate with bad behavior.Funny it seems as though where ever the Republicans have a little more say peoples voting rights are diminished or it becomes almost impossible to vote with the new rules they impose.Is this the new America?

  • http://none Mikee B

    What are you McCormack…… a Moron???
    Romney is a Mormon….you are a Moron!

  • Charles

    It seems like a lot of people only use ideological definitions for their purposes. People say Obama is supposedly a socialist or fascist economically, but somehow Romney is not a fascist in the social policy sphere? Hitler also outlawed homosexuality and banned abortions & contraception in Germany. You can’t have it both ways. Others say Obama is anti-American and a Marxist, yet most of his policies have been done before by both parties. Theres no valid evidence that Obama is any of the above besides a slightly below-average president.

    Whilst Obama’s most serious constitutional violations that are unprecedented may be the healthcare mandate (created by the conservative thinktank the heritage foundation), Romney aims to expand government into the private lives of people with his fascist social policies that panders ever so much to evangelicals.

    In fact, while Im not a fan of Obama’s personal views, most of his policy has been directed to pander and assuage the Republican house. He’s continued the war in Afghanistan, kept up private military contractor presence in Iraq, and has swung to the right of his campaign platform in many cases. I’m not endorsing a candidate, but if you’re gonna discuss this, at least use actual facts.

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      No one is saying to ban homosexuality, we have free will in America to live as we please, but that is far different than the govt. sanctifying it by allowing same-sex marriage…no one is saying to ban contraceptives, but RU-486 & ELLA are ABORTIFACIENTS, and for a sitting president to order private companies to give them out for free is facsim, Hitlerian!!! And then force religious groups who oppose this to go along.And who is gonna pay for them, as the insurance companies raise their premiums, the taxpayers!!! Any nation that legalizes the snuffing out of innocent life in the womb, is surely doomed!!!!!

      • Charles

        last time I checked religious groups have a waiver for contraception coverage. Meanwhile, social conservatives want to ban abortion even in cases of rape, despite the fact that current laws are acceptable, since only 3rd trimester abortions are banned since it’s only during that time that the fetus actually has developed closely enough into a person. But nonetheless, it’s ironic that many neo-conservatives like Ryan jump to the defense of unborn fetuses with no legal rights while blindly endorsing the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in dubiously necessary foreign wars as well as the incarceration of millions in nonviolent crimes like possession of marijuana.

        I don’t see how marriage as an institution will be harmed if gays marry. The only difference is that they’re entitled to the same legal rights married couples have (for tax returns, inheritance, and hundreds of other benefits etc.). As if the current state of heterosexual marriage in America hasn’t disgraced marriage based on biblical views (as social conservatives refer to), where half of marriages end in divorce and countless others engage in adultery. Since gay marriage has not been proven to have a negative impact on society, why restrict those people’s rights to the pursuit of happiness?

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          But’s ok for Obama to have a KILL LIST, that says all adult males in an area are legitimate targets without any evidence, that is WAR CRIME!!!

          Who says same-sex marriage & rampant homosexuality has no negative effect on society? Some more LIb./PC researchers? How about young people who are afraid to speak out about their spiritual beliefs regarding this darkness, because they might be charged with a hate crime??? We are living in a reprise of Sodom & Gomorrah, but’s it’s even worse, because of the abortion!!!

          Nations like individuals have souls , they make karma good & bad, the judgment will descend

  • DavidL

    Once again, the Republican establishment is using social conservatives as their stooge. Romney is a “severe” con man and not a conservative. Romney is using Ryan as another piece of his camouflage. He has been walking away from Ryan’s positions almost immediately after picking him as his VP.

    I will not vote for Romney. I like Ron Paul as the republican nominee.

    1. What is Romney hiding by not releasing his tax returns? Could it be that he has made a lot of money investing in Stericycle? This company specializes in disposing of aborted fetuses.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/romney-invested-in-a-fetus-disposal-company.html

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/07/romney-led-bains-investment-firm-disposed-aborted-fetuses/54097/

    2. Could it be that he has committed a felony by being a tax cheat?

    Release the tax returns and prove otherwise!!!!!! I am not buying (hiring) a pig in a poke!

    I want the old Republican Party back. That party believed in science, education, enlightened social progress, were GENUINE fiscal conservatives, and put the common good ahead of party. This current republican party is anti-immigrant, misogynist, racist, homophobic, anti-intellectual, dishonest, ignorant, irresponsible, and war-mongering. In other words, it is controlled by the bat-crap-crazy crowd.

    Ron Paul is none of these things. I would have more respect for the republican party if it nominated him instead of the etch-a-sketch man. If four more years of President Obama is the price to be paid to get the bat-crap-crazies out of the republican party, that is well worth the price.

    • San

      its over. ron Paul lost
      Releasing tax returns will prove if Romney is hiding something or not??????? If he declares something on his tax returns, it is not hiding it. Our tax law is so complicated, his accountants need extentions to finish last years reporting. My tax returns are nothing in comparison, but it is an inch thick.
      Why are we not discussing a flat tax, get rid of deductions and make it easier and cheaper to pay taxes for everyone. The tax code is full of loopholes that it is very time consuming and expensive to try to find the best ways to invest and pay the smallest taxes possible.There is nothing un american to taking advantage of the tax code to pay the smallest amount possible. It would be foolish not to.

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        Romney should release his tax returns if Holder releases the over 100,000 documents on Fast & Furious…then we can see if the Interloper was involved in something far worse than offshore accounts…Why continue to give your money to the govt. to misuse? If Romney did something wrong tax-wise the IRS would be on his ass….

        How come the Dems did not care about Sibelius & Geithner owing over $30,000 in taxes?…& the stupid Repubs. confirmed them also!!!!

  • Randy131

    What a Shame! This web site still can’t accept that Ron Paul lost the Republican nomination to Mitt Romney, by the voice and vote of the huge majority of the Republican voters. So they keep on denigrating the Republican tickect, for what can only be surmised as a hopeful Obama/Biden win for re-election. Since the only choice the American people will have is between Romney/Ryan and Obama/Biden, for which Bob Livingston and his web site keeps attacking Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, believing that if they can sour enough Republicans on the Romney/Ryan ticket, they may just not nominate them, against the will of a huge majority of Republican voters, and nominate Ron Paul instead. Who said attempting the same thing constantly, and expecting a different outcome, is paramount to insanity? So tired of reading the same BS of conservative ‘Elitist’ not accepting the will of the majority of their party, and trying to force on that majority what they think is better for the majority, which they don’t want that majority to decide for themselves. These conservative ‘Elitist’ are just not smart enough to understand that Ron Paul will not do any better against Obama than he did against Romney, and Pau’s nomination would guarantee an Obama win in his re-election bid, for most voters do not agree nor think like these ‘Elitist conservatives, who wish to force their man and his perspective on everyone else, just as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid has done in the past.

    • San

      AMEN
      Some sanity to this site.

    • Bastiat

      Perhaps you can tell me why the republicans just don’t arrest Obama for his crimes? Would that serve their agenda much better than this absurd convention? Or is it because if we arrest Obama we would also have to arrest Bush? I hate Obama, but I despise hypocrites and that is what I see in Romney and Ryan.

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        The only reason the Repubs. did nothing as the Interloper crapped on the rule of law, is that when their guys get in, they can do it, too!!

    • Big Woody

      Bastiat: The House would have to charge Obama with any crimes and the Senate would have to try him. To convict Obama and impeach him will take a 2/3 majority. The Dems have a majority in the Senate. Until there is a 2/3 majority, impeachment is not probable.

      • Bastiat

        I did not say impeach Obama. I said arrest him for crimes. He is a criminal occupying the white house. Impeachment is a false choice. Impeachment is reserved for legitimate office holders. Obama got into the office by fraud. He is a usurper. He must be arrested and tried as a criminal.

        • KENYAN KRUSHER

          KILL LIST is probably a WAR CRIME, how may innocent Pakistanis have been murdered, we are not even at war with Pakistan, we are violating their borders, no wonder they hate us!!!…worse than anything Bush did for sure!!!

      • eddie47d

        We shouldn’t be in either Afghanistan or Pakistan but that is not the reality that Bush got us into. Drone attacks are not civilian friendly and over 2/3′s of all casualties from drones are innocent victims. The body count is almost even between Bush and Obama in the use of drones but one big differerence between those two Obama has had a much higher “sucess” rate in nailing al Qaeda leaders operating in Pakistan.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          Poppycock…..Obozo has ratcheted up the attacks, there are a lot more dead from his KILL LIST…..he’s so compassionate!!!

  • Norm

    Good article by Conor MacCormack.
    It’s nice to see some objectivity and presentation of facts not clouded by fantasy and wishful thinking.
    I applaud Bob Livingston for allowing it’s airing.

    • San

      I am disappoint in Bob Livingston for his attacks on the romney Ryan ticket, just because his guy lost.
      The evil of Obama will be unleashed another 4 years due to Ron Paul supporter sore losers.

      • Bastiat

        I am sorry you hate the first amendment. I guess that explains why you like Romney.

  • http://charlesaseitz.com Big Charlie

    Do you have a better suggestion of who to vote for who has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning? Would I rather have a Gary Johnson in office than Mitt Romney? You betcha’ I would. But let’s be honest, Gary Johnson isn’t going to win, can’t win in the current political climate. The Progressives have been patiently working for the last 100 years to get us to where we are today. It’s going to take more than one election cycle to undo the damage. In fact, it may take more than my lifetime to unravel the mess they’ve spent a century creating.

    I will hold my nose and vote for Romney/Ryan because the alternative is four more years of Barack Obama. Give that man four more years and I truly fear he will create for himself a dictatorship and force us into a second Revolution. It took a century of incrementalism to get us here, it will take at least several decades of incrementalism to get us back to where we should be, living and thriving under the minimalist weight of the Constitution.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      Most here agree, these are 2 sides of same coin….but, I humbly believe one side has greater value & potential….We’ve already seen the dark side & it ain’t pretty!!!!

      • Bastiat

        If I gave you a quarter for a candy bar but one side of the quarter was badly tarnished would the quarter still be worth a quarter?

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          These days it ain’t even worth a DIME !!! You know, I’m speaking metaphorically…I just prefer the coin thing to “lesser of 2 evils”……it is so depressing!!

  • seanpatrick3000

    I’ll take the Ryan delusion over the Biden mistake anyday of the week, what do you want me to do vote third party? not gonna happen, I’ll work to change the GOP from within you need to reconsider and work to get Romney/Ryan elected, the country will not survive another Oblamblam/Biden term

    • Bastiat

      That attitude is what got us here in the first place. Of course we will get more of the same if we do not believe in ourselves. If we keep playing it safe and making the easy choice rather than taking a risk and making the tough choice we will always get more of the same. And you are right, as long as nobody wants to take a chance on liberty then liberty cannot win. And we settle for more tyranny. We have to decide to cross the line. We can continue to go with the candidate that the media and the NWO chose for us, or we can go with the less popular choice and finally win back our country.

      If we all took the road less traveled we could win!

  • Bastiat

    If we had to choose between the lesser of two evils I think choosing a known evil for 4 years (and arresting him ASAP) is better than choosing an unknown evil for potentially 8 years. Besides, I doubt this republic can last another 4 years if the American people don’t come to their senses and stop falling for party politics.

    Choosing Romney just to keep Obama out is a compromise on the principles of liberty. We the People cannot win with this kind of compromise. We have to look at the bigger picture and remember Obamney is a puppet of the New World Order.

    We the People have to stop making false choices and take a chance on Liberty for a change. If we all voted for the libertarian candidate we could end up doing better for this country than if we voted for another New World Order puppet

    • Big Woody

      Bastiat: I would hope you would stop making blind accusations. You sound like you work for the Obama campaign and I know you don’t by wish to arrest Obama. Romney is not the lesser of two evils. His accomplishments overwhelm the job of President. He may be overwualified. His business career is a tribute to American opportunity. Though he inhearited a large fortune. He gave his inheritance to charity and MADE HIS OWN MONEY. He has donated his time and abilities with great success. He is rich enough, he cannot be bought by special interests. He has proven he is willing to make tough decissions when at Bain. He was willing to close the businesses that were not solvent enough to save, and save the ones that were worth building. Our country is facing some tough decisions with the world economy being in such a mess. We need a President that will address our insolvency before we too are in the mess of Greece and Spain.

      • Bastiat

        Please tell me what false accusations I am making? Please explain how Romney/Ryan can be better than Obama/Biden? Excuse my ignorance, but I thought Romney said he would have voted for the NDAA? And Ryan did vote for the NDAA! I could go on and on about how they are the same, policy by policy. If you study the facts Romney/Ryan is absolutely no different than Obama/Biden. If you would like me to provide more details just ask me to prove it and I will.

        So again I ask, I plead: Can you please show how Romney would be any better than Obama?

        I really want to know. Show me how Romney will abolish the TSA, the FED, the IRS, unconstitutional wars, the “patriot” act, the NDAA, the Military Commissions Act, and the tyrannical executive orders signed by Obama, and then I will vote for Romney. Honest to God!

        • wayne

          How are Romney/Ryan different???

          How about Medicare and SS reform? They will reduce benefits for 55 and younger, provide vouchers and extend age eligibility (truly reform it). All Obama/Biden will do is raise taxes endlessly (or print fiat money to cover it…same thing). How about preventing Iran from getting the nuke. Romney is on record as stating he will prevent it (is that a little too neo-con for you?). Obama says “wait for UN sanctions to work” and at other times that “no one country should tell another country they can’t have them”. Preventing the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood from entering the White House, by itself, would be worth voting against Obama. Do you really think Romney would invite them in like Obama has? Will we continue to legalize illegals under Romney/Ryan like Obama has done? I think it is much more likely we’ll get a voter Id law under a Romney/Ryan admin than Obama/Holder (or would you say that is wishful thinking on my part?). Romney/Ryan are on record favoring a reduction in the size of Gov’t. Obama is on record stating he wants to grow it larger. Which tandem would be more likely to nominate the racist Eric Holder to the Supreme Court? I ask these questions sincerely.

    • eddie47d

      Big Woody; That is your problem in saying Romney earned his money thorough American opportunity and shows how blind you are. He raided companies and laid off many thousands. He made a fortune hurting those people and enjoyed the challange in doing so. Folks like him should be scorned not ballyhooed and he is also a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        He created jobs, too…Obozo tries venture capitalism with our money, given to his green cronies…how’s that working out? He’s 11 for 11, that is in Bankruptcies !!!

        THE MAHONEY MAN SAYS: BOTH SIDES ARE FULL OF BALONEY…..BUT REPUBS. MEAT TASTES A BIT BETTER!!!

  • william

    Like pieces on a chess board,the American voter is being moved back to voting for what they believe is the lesser of two evils.Too bad for us!

  • Bastiat

    Perhaps that is what we need: a second revolution. Jefferson said the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. If we cannot learn the lessons of history (and stop voting for the lesser of two evils) then we are doomed to repeat it (and be forced into a revolution).

  • Boyer

    Sooo, It’s far better to turn this country back over to a Marxist Revoltunary, and his demented boob of a VP?

    • Boyer

      An add on to my own post: I do not mean to imply that I view Romney/Ryan as the lesser of two evils. I see them as a positive thing.

      • Bastiat

        Please explain how Romney/Ryan can be a positive thing? Excuse my ignorance, but i thought Romney said he would have voted for the NDAA? And Ryan did vote for the NDAA! I could go on and on about how they are the same policy by policy. If you study the facts Romney/Ryan is absolutely no different than Obama/Biden. If you would like me to provide more details just ask me to prove it and I will.

        Can you please show how Romney would be any better than Obama?

        I really want to know. Show me how Romney will abolish the TSA, the FED, the IRS, unconstitutional wars, the “patriot” act, the NDAA, the Military Commissions Act, and the tyrannical executive orders signed by Obama, and then I will vote for Romney. Honest to God!

      • nc

        Boyer, did you see Bush/Cheney as “a positive thing”?? Over 70% of Americans didn’t see them as “a positive thing”! What about Nixon? Daddy Bush? How did your fellow Americans see them? Did you miss something or just didn’t want to see it?

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          Sure Bush/Cheney sucked , but I’d take them back now in a heartbeat…still better than Obozo!!!

      • Debb

        Obama/Romney are opposite sides of the same, very thin coin. Imperialism – Capitalist/Romney or Socialist/Obama. Choose one to represent you. The true 1% money backers will only allow so much wrangling to go on from either of them before the axe swings.

      • eddie47d

        BALONEY must have really enjoyed the Bush/Cheney Imperialism which sent us DOWN further in being stuck in the Middle East.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          Better than Obozo!!!

      • eddie47d

        Why do you think we are so involved in the Middle East ? Reagan and G Bush.Somewhat Eisenhower and Carter and the other Presidents also Don’t be so blind Baloney.

  • Munnster

    Well, I hate to say it but we have a choice: Vote for Romney/Ryan and still have a country in four years or vote for Obama and have the destruction of the USA as we know it in four years. Unfortunately, a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama. The choice is simple, a chance at a country that resembles the USA or a country that resembles Cuba……you decide.

    • Bastiat

      You’re not paying attention. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. If Romney got elected we would still have Obama. A vote for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul is a vote for liberty. I cannot do it alone. You have to vote for liberty too. If everyone who wants to vote for Romney just open up their eyes and realize Romney is no different and then decides to take a chance on liberty and casts their vote for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul we can actually turn this country around. But it takes all of us. Not just me and you.

      • http://yahoo bob peters

        a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama..Ron Paul hasn’t a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected…If you want a communist country then vote for Ron Paul because your vote will elect Barack Hussein Obama! Get your head out of your cola and see the light! Ron Paul is not going to win anything and the same for Gary Johnson…Fight like a real warrior and get the commie out of the white house first and second you can look to the future to strengthen your party…Right now your choice is either Obama or Romney! Period! Be a fool and lose your country!

    • Debb

      Have you been to Cuba? Or read anything about it from other than the political rhetoric you’re alluding to? Universal healthcare for all doesn’t seem to be bad. Doctors are well paid. Since we’re talking about looking at movies (entertainment) as facts, take a look at another documentary Sicko (OMG Micheal Moore?).

      • jack potok

        If you believe everything in “Sicko”, you truly are sicko…..Gov’t cannot run anything successfully! And believing doctoers are ‘well paid’….ask them.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        Can the Docs in Cuba cure the withering, depressed soul that is yearning for Freedom?

      • Munnster

        No, I have not been to Cuba, have you? I have family friends and clients who did live there and had their business and wealth stolen from them in the name of the government and “FAIRNESS”. Heathcare in Cuba is great if you are an elite, otherwise it sucks. Most Cuban’s live in absolute squalor. Is that what you want for the USA, absolute squalor? That is what we will get if we have another four years of the tyrant Obama. Why don’t you get a clue? Oh and if you admire Cuba, then move there and get the hell out of the US! F-ing libtards!

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: Even the biggest Baloney Salesman of ALL TIME, Fidel said, “we might’ve made a few mistakes.”………………….HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

      • Debb

        I have friends and acquaintances from there also. Poverty is also a state of mind. How much is too little? How much is too much? Folks being robbed and prosperity taken away is no stranger to here either. Why should I go and fight another county’s battle? Pay attention. These battles are going on everywhere. I’m having too much fun here in the US, battling with morons like you.

      • eddie47d

        Cubans were even poorer under Batista so basically they traded one dictotor for another. The main difference now is everyone does get healthcare and they do have some of the best doctors in the world. Their longevity rate is slightly higher than the USA also. The USA is obsessed with wealthy people not healthy people. The pill pushers at Big Pharma prove that. ( We are too drugged to be healthy)

        • KENYAN KRUSHER

          How many Americans you see on a raft, risking their life trying to get to Cuba? They were better off with Batista…now, you making me chuckle !!!!

      • eddie47d

        I don’t see any Americans trying to get to the Cayman Islands either by raft. Oh I forget Romney travels by jet.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says; You are the most full of baloney !!!!

  • jopa

    So many saying Biden is bad but not one explanation as to why.He as any other person on this earth has had a little slip of the tongue now and then but some of you display downright hatred for this great American VP.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Joe Biden would make a good rodeo-clown…

  • Big Woody

    Apparently the Obama stratigy of defining who Mitt Romney is has been a successful stratigy. Conor’s article is based on the innaccuracies that have been spewed forth from the Obama campaign.

    Conor’s first 2 paragraphs provide the false premise on which his entire rant is based.

    “where serial flip-flopper Mitt Romney is expected to be anointed the executive standard bearer for the alleged “Party of Great Moral Ideas.”
    Despite the plethora of evidence proving that he is cut from the same statist mold as Barack Obama, Romney continues to be hailed as a “great conservative” and the vaunted “lesser of two evils.” ”
    The “flip-flop” title was put on Romney by the far left Liberals and the Axlelrod smear cult because Romney has the ability to compromise as all good managers do. A good manager will throw an idea out there and let the staff and the competition haggle over it and therefore come up with a solution that better fits the resolution of the issue. Case in point is so called Romneycare. Romney vetoed several parts of the law and the legislature overrode at least 8 crucial parts of that law. Romney has been a very successful manager in everything he has accepted to accomplish.

    The comment “Cut from the same cloth as Obama” should rile anybody that has any self respect for what any of us has accomplished in our lives. Again it is slanderous rhederic from the DNC to smear Romney for being too squeaky clean. There is no doubt where Romney was born. No doubt of his upbringing and education as a child or in college. He has built for himself a very successful career of amazing accomplishments. He has not attended churches that have spewed hatred for the white man or any other race. He has not purchased a home (that he could not afford) from a known felon and heavy political contributor to the Chicago politicals. He has not written any books that hail the beliefs of known communists (or other ists). He has not written books that claim he had a life as a youth that he now contradicts to better fit the image he needs to be President. His heroes do not include those that have made a life of the destruction of our great country.
    No Romney is not the “lesser of two evils” He is only evil in the minds of those that deny solid business principles like “don’t spend what you don’t have” He is only evil to those that would break down the moral values of this country. He is only evil to those that would deny the basic religious freedoms this great country was and is based on. This is the first election we have had that we do have a choice of a better candidate, not THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS.

    I am supprised that Bob Livingston has not commented on the almost far left attacks Conor has made. We should be hailing Romney and Ryan’s accomlishments and goals instead of attacking them for the slander the Obama campaign has heapped on them.

    • Bastiat

      Straw arguments. The plain truth his, Romney is no different than Obama. Refer to my other posts for more details. If we ALL do not decide to vote for liberty then we will all get more of the same. It is just that simple.

      • Stanger

        “The plain truth his, Romney is no different than Obama” So, Bastait, by your own words, WHERE IS THE LIBERTY TO VOTE FOR??

      • Big Woody

        Your other posts have been looked at and they all attack Romney on what the Obama campaign has claimed. Not on the FACTS of who and what Romney is. You want us to dump the most electable candidate, Romney. And go with Johnson, more of an unknown than Obama was 4 years ago. I ask who is Johnson? What has he done? Has he had any major impact on any state, city, town or township? Instead of cutting down Romney with Obama type statements, you might try telling us why Johnson is better. Gary Johnson has had a life very simular to Romney’s. He is a self made man. Successful at every level. Everybody should be made aware of what he has accomplished. .Please give us a reason to look into what Gary Johnson stand for instead of trying to put Romney into the same catagory as Obama.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe Bob Livingston will have an extensive article on Gary Johnson just for you Big Woody. You must be new here because there is a daily barrage of articles and insults bashing Obama. Some are worthy and some not. Yet when the evil side of Romney/Ryan is exposed you all have a panic attack and claim unfair. Are you open to the facts or do you want to be blind the rest of your life.

  • dan luster

    In 2008 I wasn’t exited about John Mccain, yet voted for him anyway. His election wouldn’t have solved all of this country’s problems, but we wouldn’t have had to deal with an 860 billion dollar stimulas boondoggle, rewriting the nation’s bankruptcy laws as an excuse to take over the auto industry, the ” you have to pass the bill to see what’s in it” affordable (ha ha) care act, cash for clunkers, green enrgy cronyism, “boots-to-the-neck” approach to private industry, the panning of the Keystone pipeline, Fast and Furious, reform of Welfare Reform by fiat, permanent trillion dollar a yr. deficits, high unemployment, anemic GDP , purposeful divisions of gender, class, race etc, etc, etc….

    • Stanger

      WHAT ON EARTH MAKES YOU BELIEVE THAT?? OR-NO, WE JUST WOULD HAVE RAMPED UP BOTH WAR FRONTS, CREATED A FEW MORE, AND GONE CHASING AFTER EVERY MILITARY ESCAPADE THAT DROVE BY LIKE THE DOG THAT CHASES EVERY CAR-(SEE “JOHNNY’S STYLE”). IT’S A SHAM, THE WHOLE THING. IT’S JUST THEATER FOR THE MASSES. BOTH PARTIES ARE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR AND EVERY CANDIDATE MUST PASS MUSTER TO CONTINUE THIS CHARADE OR THEY ARE MARGINALIZED AND PUT OUT-(SEE ALLEN WEST, ETC). IF YOU MUST ‘PULL A LEVER’, WRITE IN RON PAUL AND THEN PULL. AT LEAST YOU’LL HAVE A CLEAR CONSCIENCE.

      • Bastiat

        I will vote for the liberty candidate: Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. If Ron Paul endorses Gary Johnson I will vote for Gary Johnson. If not, I will write-in Ron Paul. Gary Johnson said he would step aside for Ron Paul if Ron Paul chooses to join the Libertarian party.

        When it all comes crashing down and I find myself standing before God and he asks me what did I do to defend the gift of liberty and unalienable rights he gave mankind I will proudly say I stood up to tyranny and voted for liberty. I voted for Ron Paul!

        I AM RON PAUL!

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          I respect your decision to stand by principles…but all this Blather & Babbling about voting is nonsense…because if you don’t live in a SWING STATE, it really does not matter!!!

      • dan luster

        Stanger did you eat paint chips as a child? YOU didn’t bother to refute any of my points ,but instead went off on the McCain -the-warmonger tangent. The Obama administration just told Congress that he didn’t need their approval to engage Libya as it was a NATO action. Will McCain have gotten away with that one? Would Romney? I have my issues with McCain and Romney, but I submit that the above would not have occured under a McCain presidency. I stand by the fact that this country would be WAY better off with McCain relative to Obama, as would a Romney presidency- warts and all.

      • eddie47d

        Actually Reagan bombed Libya and few knew of those actions until after it happened. So yes Republicans can and do abuse those rules of engagement.

  • cricket

    Not impressed with any article that supports “Not voting”, really?? Never was impressed with personal liberty in the first place, at this point I will unsubscribe. I don’t care which side of the fence your are on, telling people not to vote is wrong.

    • Shirley Hackbart

      I agree with you 100% Cricket. Telling people NOT to vote is the same as telling them to vote FOR Obama. Not acceptable. Not in my book, anyway.

      • Bastiat

        100%? So you don’t care for personal liberty either? I think you both would be happy to live in North Korea.

  • wayne

    Mr. MacCormack,
    Nobody’s perfect, and neither are Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. And neither are you. We all ought to be able to agree on who the worst presidential pick would be, and that would be the Marxist/Socialist masquerading as a Christian/Muslim…..Obama. It’s very likely Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy or Ginsberg will be retiring, or dying, sometime in the next 4 to 8 years. Who would you rather have choosing their replacement? Romney/Ryan or Obama/Biden? If you can’t make up your mind about that, take my advice and vote for the Collectivist/Statist RINO Republicans because they’re not as Collectivist/Statist as Obama, or any Democrat for that matter. And stop being so selfish by needing to have someone who thinks just like you. Paul Ryan may have made some bad votes during his long Congressional career, but he would run rings around you in a debate over how to turn around the economy, of the world’s largest economy. It can’t be done quickly when it took us 80 years to dig ourselves into the Democrat hole we’re now in. I know, the RINO’s contributed to it in a minor way. But, it’s the Democrats who are the most collectivist and statist of them all. It’s the Democrats who need to be soundly defeated. Allow the undoing to begin with Romney, then Ryan. In 16 years, we’ll only have 9 years to go to get to that 25 year mark. Perhaps by then, someone like you can make a good enough case for further tightening. Perhaps then, they might have a “Snow Ball’s Chance” of getting elected. Put a draconian isolationist in power this November and you’ll have another Democrat in the White House in 4 years. Probably the hard left socialist Hilliary.

  • Michele

    At this point, a snowball has better chances in hell than Ron Paul has of winning an election for president, so voting for him is like not voting at all. While I would never have chosen Romney as the Republican candidate, he is now our best and only chance against Obama. And, while Romney is not the ideal candidate for us conservatives, he does seem to support this country and I detect no sinister motives in him to intentionally destroy it, which I do detect in Obama. Sometimes voting for a lesser evil is voting for less evil.

    • Stanger

      “While I would never have chosen Romney as the Republican candidate, he is now our best and only chance”- AND THE BEAT GOES ON…. .

  • Troy

    Has anyone thought that Romney maybe a Sheep in Wolves clothing ? The platform proposals tend to be anti establishment, such as the one on the Gold Standard. Did he play this thing just right to get mod republicans and independents….now to have libertarian conservative ideals injected. The guy is a businessman. The one thing businessmen really tend to despise is big government. Just a thought. I’m going to remain hopeful Romney/Ryan will do the right things.

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      This is good point, at lease with R&R, you got a chance, it may be slim, but’s it’s there!!!…nothing is set in stone!!! Obama is too willing to be a stooge for Soros & there are people higher up than Soros who control things

      • Bastiat

        A sheep in wolf’s clothing. It reminds me of the president in the Larkin Rose book, “The Iron Web.” A nice concept. A nice fantasy. Could Romney be like the president in the Iron Web book? I wish there was just a shred of evidence that might support that theory.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          If he gets elected, pray for him !!!

    • eddie47d

      Your too funny Kenyan Krusher. The Republicans are greatly influenced by the Koch’s and the Adelsons and are reaping windfalls of money. Oh I forgot that is sooooo different!

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        What’s wrong with money? Oooooooooooooooooo the evil 1% !!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Oh, so you do have your own stooges!Your such a hypocrite!!

  • Philip Stanger

    ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, AND SPOT ON THETRUTH!! KUDO’S TO YOU SIR!!

  • GRAMPA

    The panic word for liberals is conservatism. The constitution limited the powers of government. The people who want big government want you to think that they alone have all the answers. I ask why is social security broke? I ask why is medicare broke? I ask why we have 16 billion debt? If they knew so much the government would make a profit.
    They cant! The only thing the government does is consume. I ask why when we have 50% of the people that don’t pay any taxes want the people that do pay give more to the government? We gave institutions that track waste. One is the CATO institute. They neither gain or loose by telling the truth. That is why congress depends on them to testify on many areas that concern America. When liberals have no valid argument they attack.The problem is with the internet it is much harder to control what gets out to the people. That’s why they want to control the internet.
    I have written another book, sorry.
    God bless America.
    Grampa

  • Carrie Galovich

    I was astonished that the author could really believe that NOT VOTING is a good solution for the crisis our nation faces. REALLY? He is promoting Obama for another term then?! Our constitution will not stand against another term of Obama. It is only dangling by a fine thread now. All free loving Americans must unite and cast the vote of their conscience.

    • wayne

      When you quote Joseph Smith Jr., you’re not doing the Romney/Ryan team any good. The original Mormon Prophet was a poor example of a free market conservative. He was much more of a totalitarian collectivist. And he had strong Muslim leanings.

  • jack potok

    Hey, why wait until the 4 year prez elections are near to espouse your “Libertarian” ideas? Why not monitor and report everything ‘non-American’ the current occupant does and says. Compare and contrast, regularly, like John Stoessel, and start at the bottom….state and local elections. You build from the bottom up, not vice-versa. So, if ‘Obummer’ stinks, lies, distorts, and more lies, then Romney is your only true vote. And if he stinks, lies, etc. vote for his alternative in 4 years, while continuing to build your base. Makes more sense than taking your ‘ball’ and sitting it out.

  • jorge

    vote for president or not, the main reason to vote is to againts propositions to hurt our people, our country, our childrens……………vote is what i ask to latinos……….vote for proposition will damage our future…………..VOTE! but not OBAMA!

  • TXpatriot

    What do you want? Obama to win again? Your attacks on Romney and Ryan at this point are only helpful to Obama. The Democrats stay united. A Libertarian Party has no chance so you come to the Republican Party and want to vote for Ron Paul which guarantees Obama is in again.

  • Hatoy Butch

    Neocon has come to mean “anyone not named Ron Paul”

    Adolescent temper tantrums.

  • By George

    I fail to grasp the reasoning behind your attack on Rep. Ryan. He is the choice for VP. Do you prefer Obama and O’biden again? Normally I do agree with your points of view, but now is not the time. Once we win the White House, then we can start attacking them for not following the Constitution. I’m tired of the Neo-Conservative talk. That’s allowing the Obama side to define us. Let’s not play their game.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      Being the great Irishman that I am…I loved O’Biden…..that fool ain’t Irish is he?? The truth is that with DEMS there is NO CHANCE of fixing our FISC…..with R&R , they might start us in that direction…that is real HOPE!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dyatalese David Yatalese

    Sure, Ryan ain’t perfect, niether is Romney. Neither is Santorum, Gingrich or any other Republican hopeful, conservative, neocon, left-of-, right-of- or -smack-on-center. But here’s the thing, and I can’t say it often enough; Anyone, *ANYONE* will be an improvement over Obama and Biden.

    Considering the silly, stupid things their supporters have done in the past, like their “peaceful” Occupy Movement or threatened to do at the Convention,i.e. put their “feet on our necks”, and wearing vagina body suits (actually, that HAS happened), I feel…no, *I know* that anyone besides a liberal Democrat is what we need in Office.

    R & R just might screw up, who knows? All Presidents have made mistakes (and enemies). But whatever they do and however they operate, it won’t be the vicious, hateful, destructive and anti-American vendetta being perpetrated on us by Obama.

  • ATCBILL

    If we lived in aperfect world or text book world the DON’T VOTE method may be valid method to protest to the establishment that the two party system is broken. the answer is too easy and too simple for the real world. it is much like asking your child what they want for their birthday, you get a great answer like a pony ; then you ask, what do you really want if you dont get the pony and they makea sensible answer like a WiFi game.

    What we want and what we can actually get a very different.

    If we rebell against the establishment by not voting or a write in vote, we will miss a chance to at least slow down the the crash.

    Remember how we got Clinton, it was the Ross effect. We all lost.

    Vote for Romney/Ryan, then elect good people to the Congress.

  • Uzitiger

    Neocon? Usually that label is applied to Jewish conservatives and Ryan in NOT Jewish. Whatever criticism you have of Romney or Ryan, the alternative is worse, the Muslim Obama who is out to destroy this country.

  • Len

    Let’s face the facts. Like it or not, this is a two horse race. Any efforts to interject a third party will only detract from the main challenger and ensure the victory of the incumbent. If you don’t consider Romney and Ryan good guys, at least admit they are the lesser of the evils. Hopefully, 4 years hence we’ll have a better choice (not likely); but, Lord help us if we have to endure another 4 years of the Obamanation we’ve incurred to date!

  • Mable 8

    It is always interesting to me that when articles such as this appear, the author pitches a very bleak picture of the individual (and the “problems” they present) they are writing about. However, these authors never provide any solutions and this makes their article quite meaningless. So Romney and Ryan are not the greatest choices, but this is what the RNC/GOP has given to oppose the Great Imposter, and we can live with that. I personally would prefer better contenders but until a Third Party (as in Constitution Party) gets on every State Ballot I will vote against the Great Imposter, period. As for Connor, he needs to write articles for rag mags because he certainly lacks intelligence in presenting a commentary that has substance.

  • SarahR

    Not voting would be electing Obama for four more years. If Romney/Ryan win then at least we can breathe. Obama passes so many EO every day that we don’t get a chance to think. We The People can then put pressure on Romney/Ryan to do what we want done or he will be a one term president as well. In 2016 maybe we’ll see a George Washington come along or Ron/Rand Paul. But just get Obama out.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: Who do you think Ron & Rand Paul would rather work with. R&R or Obozo & Brain Dead Biden??????????????

  • Hatoy Butch

    A new study concludes that smoking pot permanently lowers IQ…this explains Ron Paul /Gary Johnson supporters.

    Supidity + Paranoia = Ignorant Arrogance

    • Bastiat

      Actually drinking fluoridated water lowers IQ and feminizes men.

      • Hatoy Butch

        Especially if you are wearing a tin foil hat while drinking it near Tower 7.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: Obozo smoked pot & they’re saying he’s a homo, too!! Mahoney recommends more baloney for all!!!!!

  • http://lonsomelouser@yahoo.com guy

    lets try this again . ime one of those prople who dipend on the ss and ssi programs how ever ime also American Born Souther bread and christin. i beleave in the cnostitution and the christin principles this country was founded on. i beleave we as a country can not aford to let others take out liberttys and right away from us unfortaintly we have people in warshington trying to do just just that . and some behind out backs . if what i read on line can bee beleaved. i cant say ive seen it on the main line media . AS to not Voteing BS. i also under stand from what ime reading on line there is a third choice l. i if Ron Paul is still around and on the balit thats where my vote will go

  • http://MSN mike

    I agree with TXpatriot, If you’d rather have Combama in again keep writing crap like this. It’s really helpful right before the election too you Idiot. Ron Paul is good but done, get over it and shut

    • Bastiat

      It would make sense if I believed Romney would actually be any different from Obama. And I have read every comment in this discussion and so far not one person came forward with any any evidence that shows how Romney is different from Obama. The best theory I heard was that Romney might be a “sheep in wolf’s clothing.” I ask for solid evidence and not a theory. What makes Romney different? Of should i just hope he will be different? Does Hope and Change really work? Refer to my previous posts for more details.

  • Tigerous

    When an article descends into this kind of snarkiness, you can usually just disregard it unless you are willing to pick the peanuts from the poop. You gotta get real. The first order of business is to GET ELECTED. That is just not going to happen with R. Paul, G. Johnson, or M. Huckabee. Then work like hell to make sure the guys in office do the right things. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    • Bastiat

      Refer to previous post.

  • Cynthia

    Not vote? That is insane! That is how Obama won in 2012! If we allow that to happen again, there will NEVER BE ANOTHER ELECTION.

  • Cynthia

    Sorry, that is how Obama won in 2008!

  • CB

    I now have serious doubts about Bob Livingston and his so called libertarian beliefs. :He promotes dissent against everybody but his chosen one, Ron Paul. Fellow posters, he is playing with the readers and their commemts on this post. I definitely do not feel that he is really interested in improving the Country. Is he a shill? I don’t know, but I have certainly grown wary of him. Pay attention to the columnist that he features on this site. Things are not adding up… or are they? A vote for Obama is a vote for more of the same. I will place my vote for Romney.

    • Bastiat

      A vote for Romney would be an endorsement for the NDAA. Romney said he would have voted for it. A vote for Romney would be an endorsement for TARP bailouts, the TSA, the endless wars, the growing debt. If he is elected and we get more of the same I wish I could be around to say i told you so, but I am afraid Romney will use the NDAA, the Patriot Act and the military Commissions Act to round up patriots and make them them disappear. With the crazy Paulites gone I hope you will be happy living in the new world order.

      • CB

        You should be more afraid of what Obama is actually doing to this Country, not what you overworked imagination falsely thinks about Romney.

  • Average Joe

    WOW, the neocon progressive elites must be running scared…The Robamnybots are out in full force proclaiming “you must vote for us”…”third party’s can’t win” …”you need us”….”big government is your friend!”
    Pssst…we have awakened. go @%^! yourselves!
    Anyone with even half a brain will not be voting for Romney or Obama….to do so would be the death knell for America.
    Wake up people..stop listening to the MSM and the big government elites….they are playing us like fiddles. They want to continue the “business as usual, Status Quo” and are attempting to convince us that they are our only hope! They do not care about America. They do not care about us…they care about remaining in power, controlling our lives and fattening thir wallets with our money and that of our decendants. I f you folks are gullible enough to vote for Romney or Obama…then you deserve what you get for governmen Is that waht you want to do to your children and grand children?t….it isn’t going to be pleasant. Wake up folks…this is our last hope to change the direction of the nation. Vote Ron Paul, vote Gary Johnson…..vote for anyone other than what the establisment elites are offering us. Stop letting these corporate elitists play us for fools. A vote for either of the two …will be a vote for NWO and tyranny.
    America first! Or do you perfer…no America?…the choice is ours to make….it is now or never to save our nation.

    I am planning o vote for Ron Paul…if he doesn’t run third party, I will be voting for Gary Johnson….I will not vote for the “clones”( Republicrats).

    May God have mercy on us all,
    AJ

  • Shirley Hackbart

    Since our “choices” are so disagreeable to most people, who IS the perfect man for this job? I believe that we have a choice between the devil, Obama, or the deep blue sea, Romney. Personally, I will choose the deep blue sea. Not that I think he’s so great, but I would rather have him in office than to see Obama make our nation into the United Socialist States of Amerika. Which is exactly where he wants us to be..

    • Bastiat

      Romney the Fascist (corporatist) or Obama the socialist (communist). There really is no difference. Romney is not a free market capitalist. He will work for the big corporations and the bankers. He will not work you and me.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: Obozo is more of a facist than commie or socialist

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    A fiscally conservative, socially liberal former GOP candidate is making a third-party run for the White House — and hopes to participate in the fall presidential debates
    Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson didn’t have much luck in the Republican presidential race — rarely registering as more than an asterisk in the polls, and failing to qualify for nearly every debate — but he’s done better since his December decision to jump over to the Libertarian Party.

    On Saturday, Johnson won the Libertarians’ presidential nomination with 74 percent of the vote at the party’s convention in Las Vegas. Now, the pro-gun, pro-gay-marriage Johnson will be making a direct appeal to the independents who will decide the race between President Obama and Mitt Romney. Could he win enough protest votes to tip the election?

    Johnson may derail Mitt: “Johnson has almost zero chance of winning the race,” says Heath Haussaman at New Mexico Politics, but he might well win enough votes to play the role of spoiler, just as Ralph Nader did in 2000. And this time around, the third-party candidate is bad news for the Republican Romney.

    Although liberals find Johnson somewhat appealing, he’s more likely to siphon away fiscal conservatives in the libertarian wing of the GOP now that he’s running as a Libertarian.

    Actually, he’ll hurt Obama more than Romney: Johnson has been polling as high as 9 percent nationally, says Michael Ames at The Daily Beast, which is enough to cover most Obama-Romney spreads.

    If his support holds, or grows, the question “won’t be if he alters the November outcome, but how.” Johnson “outflanks President Obama from the left” on civil liberties, drug laws, and war, so he might actually put Romney over the top.

    Regardless, he’ll be refreshing: Johnson hopes to reach 15 percent in the polls, says Doug Mataconis at Outside the Beltway, which would let him participate in the presidential debates. That’s “an incredibly high bar,” especially given that no Libertarian candidate has ever collected more than 1 percent on election day.

    Still, Johnson will be a welcome change for voters “dissatisfied with both candidates on issues like the drug war and same-sex marriage.” Really, it will be nice to see someone finally “getting real attention for a campaign of ideas.”

    Until reform gives third-party candidates a realistic chance to become viable, perhaps spoilers are our best hope of keeping the two-party system in check.

    http://news.yahoo.com/gary-johnson-2012-could-libertarian-party-spoil-election-112100227.html

  • BroncoBill

    I’m done with this newsletter. We don’t need this kind of commentary when it is so critical that we remove Obama from office. As soon as I post this, I am unsubscribing.

    • Bastiat

      It seems you prefer that the MSM tell you who to vote for to the animated contest for liberty.

  • dan luster

    The comments on this post are a true education and food for thought. But facts are stubborn things ,and Ron Paul will never convince the GOP to overrule the primary voters, and will never beat Obama, even as a write-in candidate. I’m voting for Romney, and if he wins, I intend on reforming the GOP through the Tea Party. This movement is truly working at the grass roots level to reform the GOP by voting out dud RINOs in the primaries. The establishment of the GOP is obviously scared of the Tea Party, because its having an effect. This is the best way to implement Ron Paul’s best ideas- from the bottom up. Look at the GOP rules comittee now. But insinuating equivalence between Romney and Obama is ludicrous. Defeat Obama first, then fix the mess at the GOP.

    • Bastiat

      The irony that no one seems to grasp is that you are both right and wrong at the same time.

      Ron Paul cannot win if YOU don’t vote for him. You see, this election is not about Ron Paul or Mitt Romney or what other people will do or will not do.

      This election is about the principles of liberty and what YOU will do about it. It is really all about YOU. WE have to be the change we want to see in this election. If I do what is right and YOU do what is right then together WE can save this nation.

      Doing what is right means not compromising on the principles of liberty. We cannot keep our republic if we compromise on its principles.

      Perhaps I am expecting too much here. I am assuming true patriots will not sacrifice liberty for a little security. If I am wrong in my assumption then all hope is lost.

      • dan luster

        I appreciate your dedication to principle ,and by all means, vote your heart. We probably agree on most issues and ideas, but I, and many others, are willing to risk voting for Romney because we have to get this wannabe tyrant out of office. Above, I mentioned several examples of Obama’s agenda that would never have happened under the milquetoast McCain. Turning the GOP around is going to take enormous effort and years of bottom-up activism, and maybe that’s the best thing to come out of Obama’s election. Do you and other Paul/ Johnson supporters know something the rest of us don’t? Is their a poll out their that shows Paul/Johnson beating Obama that we are’nt aware of? There is nothing more in the world the Obamunists want more right now than to watch us eat ourselves alive. Idealogical cannibalism only guarantees more tyranny.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: YES, the Luster man is right on…. 100% !!!!!

  • Peggy

    Sad but both political parties are bad. Both sides have people who are members of the Bilderberger Group who are pushing for a One World Order and can’t accomplish that until the United States is brought down to her knees. Google to see who are members. It is sad that we are forced to pick between two bad forces and where one side pushes harder thatn the other.

  • Bastiat

    Google Gary Johnson and learn more about him. I assume most people on this web site can do their own research.

  • Big Woody

    Conor MacCormack and his ardennt follower Bastiat both seem to hate the Republican party. Ron Paul is a Republican candidate with libertarian views. At Libertarian meetings in Michigan, I have never encountered this attitude. Nor at Tea Party rallies and there were plenty of disgruntled Democrats there. If Gary Johnson wants to do something about DC, I would think he would use his time, money and overwhelming support in New Mexico to get elected to one of thier Senate seats or one of the three House seats to keep the Obama administration from having blind control of either again. When a Liberarian candidate has a snowball’s chance of getting elected, let me know. I will support them. Unti then, MAKE SURE YOUR VOTE COUNTS.

    • Bastiat

      It is sad to see a fellow American like Big Woody compromise on principles. I know Big Woody loves the Constitutional Republic but somehow does not understand its principles. You see, Big Woody, I don’t hate the republican party. I hate the traitors who are running the party and have bastardized what a true republican should stand for. Do you, Big woody, know the difference between a democracy and a republic? Do you know what a republic is? If so, then how can you support a candidate that believes in democracy and ignores constitutional principles?

      • Average Joe

        Bastiat,

        You write:
        “It is sad to see a fellow American like Big Woody compromise on principles.”

        Actually, the truth of the matter is…anyone who is willing to sacrifice principles…in fact does not have any principles in the first place. These folks only pretend to have principles. Anyone that truly has principles…never compomises…ever…that is the very definition of principle. These folks will change for whoever or whatever is popular at any given moment.

        I will continue my support of Ron Paul…unless he decides not to run 3rd party. If this happens, I am sure that he will throw his support behind Gary Johnson…as will I. I will not…. under any circumstances change my principle to vote for “the lesser of two evils” ( evil is still evil)…but will vote for the candidate who most holds my moral and ethical convictions.

        I am voting FOR something…rather than AGAINST something else.

        Getting to Hell 5 minutes later…does not change the destination.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: I respect your stand, but there’s just a vibe in me that will do anything to see Obozo go…he’s far more dangerous to the Republic at this point than Romney would be, if he gets 4 more years, he may just very well finish the job he thinks he was chosen to do…destroy the nation. Time is of the essence, for if the Libertarians can gain a foothold, they will be much more effective following Romney than 4 more years of Obozo. Perhaps, the destruction of the nation may be the only thing to wake the sheeple up!!! Like a cleansing after ingesting rotten baloney!!

      • Average Joe

        Baloney Toney Mahoney,

        While I repect your stand, the Republican party…has no plans of winning this election….and they never did. They have gone out of thier way since the beggining of the nomination cycle to polarize the members of thier own party. They have gone out of thier way to disenfranchize the Paul supporters, the Bachman supporters, the Gingrich supporters and right on down the line. They have pushed Romney down our throats since the very beginning. Romney is no conservative…he is Obama Lite. Ryan is a Bush /Cheney Neo-con and they both will continue down the same path to America’s destruction. They really have no intention of winning …they want the NWO and socialistic power in this country. They want to “Rule US’ and they have made consessions to assure thier place in the food chain. All of the disenfranchized people will not vote for Romney and they know it. We can either work together to remove these fools from power by voting Libertarian….or we will feel the conseqences after the election is over…whether Romney or Obama…the direction of this nation is set in stone and will continue as planned by the puppetmasters. Even you folks who say that we must vote for Romney in order to get rid of Obama…admit to us that you don’t actually endorse the guy….you just keep repeating…anyone but Obama. Well, you have a choice to vote the right way, but you are too stubborn or too misguided that you won’t evn consider doing the right thing for the nation…Nope, you just keep repeating the media slogan…3 rd parties can’t win….you’ve bought the BS…lock,stock and barrel. You’ve let rhetoric convince you that you have no other choice…you must vote for the establishment “authorized” candidate. So be it, we will not follow suit.
        If Obama gets another 4 years…it won’t be because we voted for the best candidate available…it will be because you settled for the lesser of two evils and didn’t vote for the “best” candidate….That makes an Obama win…your fault…and yours alone….Thanks for all you do.

        Good Luck,
        AJ

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: I love your gumption & wisdom..How can we band together & get Rand Paul to withdraw from Repub. party & run as Libertarian, on that party’s ticket, win reelection to senate as Libertarian, get us some bigtime recognition & then run for president? Romney inspires as much as one slice of baloney on white bread with Miracle Whip…but, Obama makes me feel as if I ate year old baloney with salmonella!!!

      • Average Joe

        Baloney Toney Mahoney,
        I must admit that my initial opinion above has change since my first reply to you and I hope you will accept my appolgies. Sometimes written messages are misunderstood.
        I am not sure how to accomplish your idea, but I am hoping that Gary Johnson and Ron Paul can band together in some fashion and run as Libertarians in this cycle, whether Ron Paul /Gary Johnson or Gary Johnson / Ron Paul. With that combination, we could certainly upset the applecart to the point of actually winning this contest and sinking the two party system. Just a thought…but definitely a viable idea.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney man says: No apology was needed, because no offense was taken !

  • Bastiat

    Everyone should go back and read Nancy in Nebraska. She is the hope for this country. The Founding Fathers would be proud of her. God bless you Nancy!

    • Average Joe

      Bastiat ,
      I agree 100%

  • r.p.

    Giving Ron Paul 10 to 15% of the vote will send a message. Giving him 30% will most likely win him the election (Obama won with 26%). One of the posters said “even if he did get the popular vote, the electoral college will not vote for him”. They are bound by the constitution to represent the will of their constituency (voters from their district). To do otherwise would be a violation of the constitution and their oath. Those who are willing to support Romney will only be re-electing Obama. So don’t try to convince those who are trying to get us out of this left/right paradigm, status quo quagmire, that we are wasting our votes. Did anybody bother to notice the Ron Paul rally which drew over 10,000 supporters yesterday? Hmmnn…I thought not! Not voting will only work if at least 85% of the registered voters refuse to vote, and then it’s doubtful as the winner will claim victory with 3 to 10% of the vote.

  • http://www.facebook.com/blkcatwm.caroline Blkcatwm Caroline

    If I wanted to hear bashing of our Republican candidates, I’d listen or read MSNBC and CNN. There are so many other newsletters I get, that even though this has some good articles, I don’t like to read the lies and the Ron Paulettes opinions. I WILL NOT vote for Obama! No matter what, I won’t let my vote go to the wayside. Ron Paul didn’t get the nomination, get over it and ban together to get Obama out of office! The time for whining is over. Pull your pants up and lets get Romney/Ryan elected and Obama out the door and back to Kenya!

    • Average Joe

      Blkcatwm Caroline ,
      Oh look, another first timer feining disgust…oh me ,oh my what shall we do? Parting gifts are available on your way out.
      Good luck,
      AJ

  • Bastiat

    Dan Luster you missed my point completely. As soon as you stop being concerned about what others think and focus more on what your core values are and act on those values then we might have a chance to win on those values. Of course, I assume your core values are for liberty and the constitution, otherwise I am wasting my time responding to you.

    So if we assume your core values are for liberty and the constitution then don’t you think you are compromising these values by sorting Romney because of what the polls say?

    The subtle truth is that it is not about the polls. People have been told to vote for what the polls tell us, like it was a horse race and we have to pick the winner.

    I am saying that if all true, liberty loving Americans voted on the principles of liberty (not on the cult of personality) then someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson could actually win.

    I sincerely believe people like you are liberty loving Americans but I am afraid you and most Americans are too influenced by the polls and the cult of personality.

    Like I said before, the election is not about Obama or Ron Paul or Mitt Romney. You have to look past their names and appearances and discern what the really stand for. If you honestly believe Romney shares your values and will defend the Constitution and he will do a better job of it than Ron Paul, then by all means cast your vote for him and may God bless you ( and America) for doing your duty.

    I too will cast my vote according to my principles and it just so happens that I believe Gary Johnson and Ron Paul truly share my values and I know, based on historical evidence, that either one of them will defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

    The important thing is that no matter what we do we do it because we truly believe in it and we do it without hesitation or compromise.

    • dan luster

      Bastiat, I’ve read all of the postings on this article and have yet to see any specifics on Rep. Paul’s actual ideas prevailing. Nothing on his first principles being able to WIN ,other than if I don’t vote for him I’m a sellout. Meanwhile, the Dems. are politicizing another Gulf storm. If there was any evidence to show Paul or Johnson had a chance in hell of winning don’t you think I would be all in. No matter what happens, I’ll nonetheless gladly stand next to you in the barracades. I pray it doesn’t come to that.

      • goetzwyo

        You mean the Trenches don’t you ? Sadly for those who refuse to believe its all going to be over here in the next… 10 to 12 years !!! Maybe less if Israel attacks Iran before the elections !!!

      • Bastiat

        Dan Luster: I can appreciate what you are saying and I respect you for that. We may have to stand shoulder to shoulder in the revolution. There is that thin line that everyone has to cross when we realize it is time to stop doing the same think over and over again. Everyone will have to come to that “ah ha!” moment in his or her own due time. I just pray it is before the election for most people.

  • Magnon

    Oh boy another opinion piece! I do believe I can sum up the underlying message and the kindergarten logic expressed in this “article” in just two words — HORSE PUCKY!

    • Average Joe

      Magnon,

      First name CRO?…..considering your post, I had to ask…..

      Just think, in a few hundred thousand years you may catch up with the rest of us…Oh wait, NM we will have advanced further as well…sorry….

      Good Luck,
      AJ

  • Bastiat

    Ron Paul entered the room of the Republican National Convention with a lei given by the Hawaii delegation. The crowd erupted in chants for “President Paul.” Fox News’ Megyn Kelly cut her segment short because she could not be heard over the chants for the presidential contender.

    They are now chanting “Let Him Speak!” We were marginalized and overlooked and underestimated for too long. We responded by taking over conventions at the state level, organizing the greatest grassroots network since the American Revolution and spreading a message that would change the tone of the GOP. It’s been 15 minutes and the chants have not stopped. I have never been so proud to be a part of something in my life.

    • Average Joe

      Bastiat,
      The one thing that I’ve noticed… other than the Ron Paul suppoters….pretty lack-luster crowd…especially the Romney supporters….lol. It’s almost as if they would rather be watching old re-runs of I love Lucy than to be at the convention. This whole process has been the worst in my lifetime. Doing the Paul Ryan nomination now… Steve King says “Here we are United and Excited” and about 6 people clap….lmao…yup …that’s excitement at it’s finest.
      Best Wishes,
      AJ

  • http://personalliberty.com Jeff Buuck

    Not voting is a vote for Obama. We have got to get this man out of office. I am not happy with the choice either but I am going to vote for him. We have no choice our beautiful country cannot bear four more years of this regime. We have got to take what we can get and continue to work at the grass root level to get good conservative people in government. Giving up is not an option.

  • http://gravatar.com/funtogo funtogo

    I get the feeling that they are all just a bunch of DOGS…were stuck trying to pick the best of the litter…he does all the right things until he feels at home…then he [expletive deleted]‘s on your bed..

  • http://google Had Enough

    I am thoroughly outdone with the messages you have been sending. If ever we need to come together to unify our vote to be rid of Obama it is now! One of your main spokesmen Wayne Allen Root is one of the most disreputible people in our country, cheating hundreds of thousands of people out of their money with his gambling advice. I want nothing else to do with this website that is trying divide our country at the worst possible time!!!

  • Bastiat

    Baloney….how many of us liberty loving Americans are there?? If Obama tries anything he is done for. He should have been arrested already but the republicans look the other way because the democrats did the same for Bush.

    Don’t buy the propaganda. A vote for Romney sends the message that you agree with Bushobama.

    I would rather give Obama a chance to hang himself in office than have to start the fight all over again with Romney. We just do not have the time to play this lesser of two evils game any more.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: You make a compassionate & wise argument here & I will reconsider.

      Are there any souls out there who know about Nostradamus mentioning an entity called :
      MABUS ????

      obaMA BUSh

      Many think it relates to USA at this time..MABUS was a beastly tyrannical man who trod on people & murdered them, etc…

      • goetzwyo

        And we will listen to Nostradamus because he was a prophet of God? ??? Maybe he ment to say MABEL /

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: Nostradamus was not full of BALONEY!!!

  • Barbara Demet

    I am seriously considering “unsubcribing” to Liberty Alerts. The last couple of commentary have been off the wall. Our country has never been in such a serious situation and your telling us to vote for Ron Paul is not only rediculous but an insult to my intelligence. Get off the soap box! Stop tellling people not to vote. It is every citizen’s right and duty to vote. As many bloggers have already said… a no vote is a vote for Obama…And a vote for Ron Paul will be another Ross Periot situation. Remember him?
    We all know the result of that one as old Bubba was elected!!

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: BD, why cut yourself off from these alerts, when many have much truth in them? You don;t have to do what a writer espouses, it’s called free speech & open forums…GOD BLESS THE LIBERTY ALERTS….even the ones full of baloney!!!!

    • Average Joe

      Barbara Demet ,

      Yet another first timer feining disgust…..or are you just another of our posters with multiple personality disorder?…..Either way, don’t let the doorknob hit you on the way out.

      Best Wishes,
      AJ

  • jvh7

    You Ron Paulies would gain a lot of credibility if you would accept the fact that a vote for a 3rd party candidate WILL be a vote for obama. I don’t agree 100 per cent with Romney but I’m voting for him. I can’t waste my vote. If you would get under the tent and fight to change the rino mentality we could be winners on the same team. I agree with a lot of what Ron Paul said but he is like that cousin we all have that is cool and fun for a while but you don’t ask him to stay overnight. I know you will all be offended by this and that is what is wrong with us today, we can’t come to the table with any disagreement and be civil about it. We will never work anything out with the current divisive rhetoric. The dems love that.

    • Bastiat

      I will not sacrifice my liberty for a little security (TSA, NDAA, Patriot Act, and on and on) Will you? I will not compromise the principles of liberty to trade on traitor for another. Will you?

  • Jocele Kochersperger

    You are just full of crap…the only chance we have of saving our country is Romney and Ryan…Ron Paul can’t win and shouldn’t win!!! He doesn’t even make sense half the time. Most people do not agree with him and that’s a good thing.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: No, Ron Paul does not make sense half the time…HE MAKES SENSE MUCH MORE THAN HALF THE TIME…and as time goes by, year after year, more & more are agreeing with him!!!! His son is even better than he is to me!!! If his son can run for president one day, he will win. Baloney guarantees it!!!

      • dan luster

        Baloney Toney Mahoney, I agree. It’s not that Ron Paul’s ideas cannot ultimately prevail, at least most of them.It’s that they won’t prevail now. Ron Paul will not run again becuase of his age, but many of his best attributes come through in his son Rand. Congressman Paul had his chance to make his case for months in the debate-a-week circus last winter. The fact is, he did quite well but not good enough. Defeat the Dumocrats first, then the Re-pubicans.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney man says: The Libertarian platform is drawing in more & more people disillusioned with 2 party status quo, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG, people are waking up, but it’s hard to break through DEM bribery scheme…the bottom line in this nation is THE BOTTOM LINE, we cannot afford to keep spending $1.40 for every dollar taken in, unless that is fixed soon , there will be no nation as we know it..It cannot be fixed with DEMs , can R&R at least start us down that path?

          I say all like thinkers blitz Rand Paul with letters & e-mails encouraging him to step out of corrupt & inept Repub. party unlike Father, he is young enough & the time is RIPE to do it NOW!!!

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Right! From this report it really doesn’t mean if Obama wins or looses. Where the rubber meest the road, either one of them spells doom for America. The Israeli’s have nine men planning WW111, four for and four against. The wild card is undecided but being counciled by a rabbi that’s all for. If Israel makes this move, Russia and China will back Iran. The Zionist running America’s foreign policy will get us into defend Israel over an illegal war. Our economic problems will be last thing we’ll have to worry about. Condi will get her prophecy to come true. Still time to get Ron Paul. We’ll live or die with our own choice.

  • John R. Stallworth

    I think I agree with most of what MacCormack says. Many times I’ve said that the winning party in November will be crushed in 2016. Since I’m 84, I probably won’t be around but you’ll see it.

  • Bastiat

    AJ,

    Great post about the republican strategy not to win. Your analysis is uncanny and sensible given the actual facts in evidence. I believe the NWO globalists like how well their puppet Obama is doing following their master plan that they would rather not change what is working. So, like in ancient Rome, they give us bread and circuses and the RNC is shaping up to be one grand circus!

    Oh we have a choice, but I think most people prefer the circus over a true constitutionalists. Rome too was a republic once, but the people preferred the circus. The historical parallels are disheartening.

    • http://na Mike in NE

      100% with you on that Bastiat!!!

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: “A nation gets the leaders they deserve”…ancient Chinese proverb…what this country really needs already is a Conserv./Libertarian woman to run things & keep the baloney fresh!!!! Bachmann, Palin, et al.

      • nc

        BALONEY, AIN’T NOBODY CAN KEEP BALONEY FRESHER THAN BACHMANN! HER BRAIN NEVER DEVELOPED BEYOND “FILLER’ STAGE! ! PALIN WAS THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPEN TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY! SHE SHOULD BE THE GODMOTHER TO OBAMA]S CHILDREN! SHE MADE HIM WHAT HE IS TODAY !! PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: I humbly disagree…Palin called the IPAB “death panels” before anyone else & that is what they will be, if not overturned..If that clown McCain had listened to her advice, he could’ve won…as far as Bachmann, she is a soul of great truth & has more balls than most men & I think her brain is fine.Same for Jan Brewer Gov. of Arizona, she takes no crap from Obaloney-bam

          The thing about Palin & Bachmann is they are most probably not part of NWO’s agenda…they don;t have those vibes to me, but, that’s just my discernment!

  • http://na Mike in NE

    I’m with AJ, Nancy, DaveH etc., If either o or r win, I’ll have a clear conscience having voted for Dr. Paul or Gary Johnson. The % of that vote will tell those bastards “we’re watching and we don’t like it”. I can live with that decision, none others. Plus holding my head high, knowing EVIL don’t cut it with me.

    • nc

      Miike, I was just watching the Republican Convention have their call of delegate votes and the ESTABLISHMENT led convention is wipeing it’s feet on Ron Paul! I’m a Democrat and more atuned to the Paul positions on the military and Isreal! Not a fan of Mainstream Republicanism and I was apalled at their refusual to eveN announce his vote total! This MAN HAS given his political life to the basic Republican philosophy and they kicked him to the curb in no uncertain terms! It’s the Cheney influence! He recognizes only those he can control! IF HE STAYS IN THAT PARTY HE DESERVES ANY TREATMENT HE GETS FROM THEM IN THE FURURE! THEY HAVE SHOWN HIM WHERE HE STANDS!!!

      AMERICAN WOMEN CAN LOOK FOR THE SAME TREATMENT BEFORE THIS CONVENTION ENDS!!!!

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: It’s too late for Ron, but not for son, Rand. He should follow the advice in the Bible, “Therefore, come out from among them & be ye separate & touch not the unclean thing.” (2 Corinthians 6:17) & flee this party now!!!

  • Sammy

    I don’t know what many of you are smoking, but it ain’t good!!! Ron Paul and Gary Johnson have some good ideas, but they are all dwarfed by the bad ideas of Obama. So throw away your vote, bite off your nose to spite your face and see what another four years of Obama can do to bankrupt the country. Not me. RR are far from perfect, but they are the only way to avoid the disaster.

  • kdr22

    Presidents are not elected by popular vote. They are elected via the electoral college. Whether we vote or not – at this point – matters not. Our greatest impact is during the caucuses. At this late stage it is a moot point. The delegets are already committed (unless, of course, they break the law).

  • Daniel

    Or you could vote for Gary Johnson

  • http://atlasprays.wordpress.com attilashrugs

    The problem with the Neo-Confederates is that they’re ideologues. American politics has NEVER been dominated by Ideology. It has been all about INTERESTS. The question is simple, who would be better for my interests, Obladah, or Mittens?
    If I am independent of government handouts then Romney supports my interests by lowering taxes. If I am a public employee, or a recipient of Government largesse, then my interests are served by Obladah!
    The problem is in the over expansion of the voting franchise. If only tax-payers, or property owners were eligible to vote, then all is well. Democratizing nonsense created the so-called “civic duty” to vote. Lowering any and all criteria, including proof of citizenship, English language proficiency, basic civics knowledge and commonsensical voting rules would remedy our problem. Simple!

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney man says: NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION !!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Ron Paul and Ben Bernanke Debate the Audit the Fed Bill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq4ZID5sCUw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • http://n/a john tithof

    I USE TO ENJOY YOUR NEWS LETTER, BUT AFTER TODAY WITH YOUR RANT ABOUT PAUL RYAN I CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE TO GET SOME OF THE GARBAGE YOU ARE TELLING PEOPLE. NO LONGER WANT THIS KIND OF BS. OBAMA MAY START LICKING YOUR BS SO SEND MY EMAILS TO HIM.

    • Average Joe

      john tithof ,

      You write:
      “I USE TO ENJOY YOUR NEWS LETTER, BUT AFTER TODAY WITH YOUR RANT ABOUT PAUL RYAN I CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE TO GET SOME OF THE GARBAGE YOU ARE TELLING PEOPLE. NO LONGER WANT THIS KIND OF BS. OBAMA MAY START LICKING YOUR BS SO SEND MY EMAILS TO HIM.”

      Funny, I’ve been here for over 3 years and this is the first ime that I’ve ever seen your name. Who are you trying to fool? This is your fisrt time here and you are simply trying to make others belive that you are somehow offend by today’s subject.
      Sir, you offend my sensibilities and my intelligence…be gone already…

      AJ

  • Bernie

    Don’t be a Moron. Obviously what is at stake here escapes you.

  • http://TheRichDontPayTax.com/ John Gaver

    Who cares about Ryan. He’s going to be the VP. That means that for the next eight years, he will be far less important than he has been, in the House. The only way that he might become important is if something happens to Romney, which is very unlikely. Romney is in his prime and healthy. Furthermore, even liberals are smart enough to know that it is to their benefit to keep Romney alive, since without Romney, the presidency would fall to an even more conservative president (Ryan). Nothing is going to happen to Romney and Ryan will be irrelevant for the next eight years.

    So what about eight years from now? Well that’s eight years away and absolutely NOBODY stays the same for eight years. Look at that funny old loon, in the poor fitting suit, who keeps trying to undermine the will of the people, by getting his followers to become delegates by promising to vote for the people’s chosen candidate and then instead, vote for him at the convention. He used to be half way sane… half way. But look what time has wrought for Paul. He’s no where near the somewhat fringe candidate that he used to be and has now gone totally off the deep end. Today, his fringe agenda has turned into a full-blown hatred of the USA and he now blames the USA for 9-11. Eight years is a long time in politics. So count on it. Ryan will be a different man in eight years and there is no way for us to even guess who that man will be.

    But there is one good thing that will come from this election year. The Rules Committee has approved a rule to insure that the paulbots won’t pose a threat to the will of the people in future years. Any delegate who fails, on the first vote, to vote the way he was pledget to the people of his state to vote, will have his credentials revoked, be removed from the convention, be replaced by an alternate and have his vote credited to the candidate for whom he was pledged to vote, in the first place. Bye-bye paulbots and good riddance. After all, they’re really Libertarians and will never vote for a Republican unless that person is really a RINO like Paul or Johnson. Real Republicans will never get their votes – EVER – so we should tell them to take a hike. Doing so will not lose the GOP even one vote, because they’re votes that the GOP never really had.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: That “funny old loon” is along with maybe a handful of others courageous enough to take on the Power elite running the Fed & truly serious about cutting the spending…we need a million more loon like this !!!

    • Average Joe

      John Gaver,
      You write:

      “Who cares about Ryan. He’s going to be the VP. That means that for the next eight years, he will be far less important than he has been, in the House. The only way that he might become important is if something happens to Romney, which is very unlikely. ”

      Short term memory? Have you forgotten Dick Cheney? he was actually more important and more controlling of our nation’s direction than GW was. GW was a lackluster president at best….a conservative slightly right of far left. Cheney on the other hand was a neo-con who wielded his power with an iron fist. Guess what? Romney is a lackluster conservative, just slightly right of far left…and Ryan…is a neo-con… gee, does this sound familiar? Pull head from your posterior…take a quick look around and look just a few years to the past for a bit of perspective….unless you were happy with Bush/ Cheney…I recommend that you reassess your comment and cast your vote elsewhere.

      You write:
      “So what about eight years from now? ”

      If we elect Romney /Ryan or Obama /Biden, we will be no longer a sovereign nation to worry about… since all have the same agenda ( to believe otherwise is pure folly on your part)…..so what exactly is your point?

      I believe that you need to wake up and stop buying the MSM BS products.

      Best Wishes,
      AJ

  • 4204life

    Wow, Mr. MacCormack really stirred up a hornets nest of comments. He seems to have a full grasp of the political theatre. One can only hope that more people will be enlightened and critical analyze the two party system. We need to form a PEOPLES PARTY that represents individual sovereignty and honest money. Integrity should be admired and emulated. Avarice and self-aggrandizement should be viewed with contempt.

  • TerriG

    After reading quite a few of these comments the question that I have for the majority of the posters is – Why are you not running your candidates under the Libertarian party instead of hiding behind the Republican name? The two parties have vastly different views and I can see no valid reason other than that the Rupublican is much, much larger than the Libertarian.

  • Average Joe

    I wrote and posted this some time back, but I feel that I need to say this once again:

    If it weren’t such a serious matter, it would be almost funny…listening to everyone complaining that this candidate did this…or that candidate did that ( as if the things that they complain about are something new….they aren’t).
    Then, when anyone points out that there is one candidate out of the whole batch ( both sides)….(with a 30 plus year history to prove it)..who has never done any of these things, who has always been honest, forthright and a defender of the Constitution….someone who has stood up for smaller, less intrusive government, sound currency and personal freedoms…….everyone goes wild … calling the man everything except…a viable candidate.
    Why is that?
    It is obvious to me ( as it should be to everyone else) that what we have been doing….ISN”T WORKING…..and maybe…just maybe, it’s time to take a new approach to the way this nation is beng run. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to stop electing “business as usual” “mainstream” candidates….who continue to run our nation into the ground while ignoring the will of the people and the rule of law.
    If we were to elect Dr. Ron Paul, could he really be any worse than what we’ve had over the last 40+ years (both sides)? If we were to elect him and he doesn’t make changes that positively affect our nation….can we not vote him out in another 4 years?
    Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over…and expecting to get a different result. Isn’t it time that we stopped the insanity?
    While I am not asking anyone to vote for any particular candidate, I will ask that you spend more time actually looking into all of the candidates’ backgrounds ( voting records, campaign finances…who they’ve made deals with etc.). learn everything you can about the candidates (not the MSM talking heads versions…do the research yourselves), so that on election day….you can make an informed decision about who you want to represent you in government….
    Remember, what they do is a direct reflection on us…..if they do foolish things….it makes us look like we elected foolish people….which means we look like fools for electing them in the first place.
    I don’t know about anyone else, but I am tired of the insanity and will be casting my vote for Ron Paul.
    You can say that I am wasting my vote….well , I guess that’s OK….it is after all…MY….vote……it doesn’t belong to any party or candidate….it belongs to me …to cast as my conscience dictates.
    I hope eveyone makes informed decisions concerning our future as a nation.

    The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
    John F. Kennedy

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: It is never a waste to vote your conscience & principles, it is of God, it is Divine!! “To thine own self be true”…really means, to THY HIGHER SELF be true, not the human, ego-driven self!

    • Mary-Lee

      I just had a discussion with my husband this morning on this very subject. I was trying to express exactly what you just did so well. Wish you had been here to convince him that we have to get off this road to destruction. You are 100% correct. It’s time we all woke up and stop thinking there are only 2 choices. To me deciding between Romney and Obama is like someone giving me two poisons and telling me to choose. One kills you quickly the other kills you slowly. My husband would choose to die slowly. I choose not to die at all by giving my vote to someone like Ron Paul or the Constitution Party candidate, Virgil Goode.

  • chuckb

    average joe, since paul is such an honest forthright citizen, of which i agree he is, i wonder why the public doesn’t accept him? could it be some of the kooky ideas he comes up with, isolationism, in a way i agree, however, there’s no way that is going to happen. legalizing drugs, most people won’t buy that one, only the hippie generation and the people from the sixties advocate that. of course they are multiplying so in the future there is a good likelihood that will happen, his stance on israel is not popular, i believe the jews have caused this world a lot of trouble, yet, the alternative of islam makes me want to side with the jews. paul doesn’t use much diplomacy in his approach to the ideas he presents, he evidently isn’t a good enough politician, maybe a little too honest.
    irregardless, he’s not going to be president nor is johnson.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: I’m not saying Ron Paul is God, but Why did people reject Jesus? Why is a prophet always rejected by his own people? Because most souls are so disconnected from their Divine Source & cannot decipher truth & wisdom & even many who can decipher it do not want to deal with it, Paul has always said, the time has come to stop kicking the can down the road, and people don’t want to hear that… and in this day & age they are brainwashed by the media to believe certain things & people are put in little boxes with labels, it’s a sorry state of affairs, but yet with the internet, look at how many more people are resonating with his message than 4 years ago! Let’s look at the bright side!!

      What is needed is a big money backer to back the Libertarian party…some may say that may corrupt it, but how else is message going to get out in a huge fashion? His son may be the best way to get to many more millions! His son also is a better orator than pops!

    • Average Joe

      chuckb,
      As usual, you continue along the MSM craft of misdirection, rather than honest dialog.

      You write:
      “i wonder why the public doesn’t accept him?”

      Why do you assume that the “public” didn’t accept him? Could it be that the MSM and party elites went out of thier way to marginalize Dr. Paul at every turn? Could it be that everytime he was in the MSM, his statements were place before the court of public ioinion with obvious bis, by only posting partial statements framed to be taken out of context?
      You sir are a prime example of how thier propaganda has workred on the average American.

      You write:
      “could it be some of the kooky ideas he comes up with, isolationism, ”
      Ron Pau has never advocated for “isolationism”…he has advocted for “Non interventionism”, I am guessing that you dont know the difference…maybe you should educate yourself before speaking on subjects that you have no clue about…
      but because the media keeps saying isolationism…you bought it lock, stock and barrel. You didn’t take the time to find out Dr. Paul’s views…you simply ate up that which you were spoon fed. I know, there was a ball game on and you couldn’t be bothered to find out if you were lied to…which you were..no biggie they said it was true and that was good enough for you.

      You write:
      “legalizing drugs, most people won’t buy that one”

      Once again the media fed that to you and you ate it up…another lie…

      Ron Paul has stated…the Federal drug war has not worked and that the federal government has no authority within the Constitution to be involved in the first place and as such, the issue of drugs should be left to the individual states to decide for themselves. Are you afraid that your state elected officials aren’t bright enough to make a proper decision concerning drugs? If so, then maybe you should elect better state representatives.

      You write:
      “his stance on israel is not popular,”
      With whom is his stance not popular? He has stated that Israel should be free to do as they please…they are a sovereign nation and as such should not have to ask the US for permission to do anything that they want..it is thier nation and Israelies agree with him. He says he wants to end all foreign aid…not to just Israel but also to all of thier neighbors…You do know that because we give aid to thier neighbors…the combined total to those neighbors is more than we give to Israel…right? You seem to think that we need to “defend” Israel….Seems to me that in 1967 Israel did pretty good without our help…you do know that they won a major was against Egyot…in just 6 days…without out=r interference…right?

      You write:
      “paul doesn’t use much diplomacy in his approach to the ideas he presents, he evidently isn’t a good enough politician, maybe a little too honest.
      irregardless, he’s not going to be president nor is johnson.”

      Are you completely daft? Ron Paul is the only person saying…we need to talk to people…we need to trade with people….we need to bring our troops home and quit meddling in the affairs of other people…and somehow he isn’t practicing diplomacy?

      I must say, that are one of the most uninformed people that I have had the displeasure to have spoken to. You are not very informed. You are not even the sharpest bowling ball at the ally….

      Education is a wonderful thing…May I sugest that you invest in one?
      That would involve you actually getting off your duff and doing a bit of research…stop watching the tube and believing everything they tell you without question…it is affecting your intelligence…and you don’t seem to have much to work with as it is…buy a clue.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYIP8lGBtFQ&feature=related

      Please spend the time to watch this in it’s entirety…it will help to open your mind to something other than what you appear to be used to. If you still don’t get it, there is no help for you.

      Good Luck,
      AJ

      • chuckb

        average joe, what’s the matter joey, does the truth hurt, when someone is losing they start the bad mouthing, as far as educations go, before you start casting stones it would be wise to look in the mirror.
        so far the people you back have lost every presidential election, so if i was as smart as you seem to think you are, i would reconsider the people i chose and maybe there is something there you don’t see, albeit you seem to see and know all.
        ron paul does advocate that israel defend itself and would refuse them any more assistance. he also denies iran is building a nuclear bomb, this is the guy you support,how ignorant can that be? of course if you want to go thru pauls policies some do make sense and yet there are those that sound like you made them up.
        remember joey, there’s one born every moment.

      • Average Joe

        chuckb ,
        You write:
        “average joe, what’s the matter joey, does the truth hurt, when someone is losing they start the bad mouthing, as far as educations go, before you start casting stones it would be wise to look in the mirror.”

        Oh chuckie, where to start? ( notice the question mark …when a question is asked?).
        You have been here long enough to know the answer to most of your questions posed. The problem is that you still refuse to actually seek the answers to those questions on your own. when someone answers your questions, you simply ignore the answers and continue on as if nothing has been said at all. You are simply being a Troll.

        You write:
        “he also denies iran is building a nuclear bomb, this is the guy you support,how ignorant can that be?’

        Once again, you distort the truth . Ron Paul has never denied that Iran may be working toward that goal. He has however stated that if they are, why is it our business? After all, they are in an area of the world where they are surrounded by countries that DO have nuclear capabilities and that maybe they have reason for concern for thier own safety.
        Iran is a country that cannot even manufacture thier own gasoline and you are worried about a nuclear warhead….Did you think that they were going to throw it at us?
        Obviously, you have limited thought processes and buy the propaganda from the MSM …without hesitation….nice job Chuckles, you are a mental giant. Bravo sir!

        You write:
        “of course if you want to go thru pauls policies some do make sense and yet there are those that sound like you made them up.”

        I guess you’ll never know what the truth is..since you are obviously too lazy to actually research my assertions on your own….therin lies your dilemma. I can offer up the truth, but in the end,it is entirely up to you to disprove what I’ve said. Asumptions do not replace due diligence on your part.

        You live and learn. At any rate, you live.
        Douglas Adams

        AJ

  • Bastiat

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12.

    I think this scripture explains why there is so much resistance to Ron Paul. Most people think this is just politics as usual. But we are in a spiritual battle. Some may not believe in the Bible and that is one’s choice. But I know the global elitists believe in it. In fact they worship Lucifer. Look at Bohemian Grove. Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Carter…they have all attended meetings at Bohemian Grove. They have an agenda and it does not matter whether Obama or Romney is in office. Both men work for the New World Order.

    “Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws.”
    Baron M.A. Rothschild

    And that happened to America in 1913. The banksters took control of our currency … and that has led us to where we are today …

    The sole purpose of the current situation is to kill the American dollar in order to introduce new currency…and the basis is the same as 1913. GLOBALIZATION at its finest! One government..one currency..one law..absolute power…world domination.

    Read the Creature From Jekyll Island by G Edward Griffin.

    But we still have the power to defeat them because they cannot carry out their evil agenda without our consent. It may sound strange to some, but it is a moral imperative to them. They need our consent. That is why they allow Ron Paul to speak. That is why they allow this democratic process.

    When you vote for Romney you are giving your consent to continue with the banking cartel, the TSA, the NDAA, the Patriot Act, and so on. Ron Paul was allowed to show us the path that will save our country. He is like John the Baptist. He is the voice crying in the wilderness. It is up to each of us to choose.

    This time we have to make a choice for liberty. This may be the last opportunity we will ever have to make this choice.

    Peace and Liberty to All!

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man speaks: Aye, incredibly well put !!!! BRAVO !!!

    • chuckb

      bastiat, you have it wrong, a vote for ron paul is a vote for barry. i don’t for a minute believe romney is any kind of agent fpr the bilderbergers and i don’t correlate ron paul to the bible, that’s pure nonsense. if you wonder why ron paul was not allowed to speak at the convention, check out the jewish lobby in the democratic party, ron paul wants to cut all aid to israel and the republicans don’t want to build up anymore animosity with the jewish voters. i don’t condone our government giving aid to egypt, libya, yemen and the palestinians this is the muslim brotherhood, these people are our enemy, barry has assisted the overthrow of these mid east nations to people who want to destroy israel and the united states. voting for paul and johnson is a vote for barry and his ambition to.destroy this country, so don’t kid yourself. ww3 is just around the corner, this election is the most important in our history, if barry wins again we all lose.

      • Bastiat

        Don’t confuse the Jewish people with the Zionists. The Jewish people do not want the United States meddling in their affairs. Israel is a sovereign nation. The Zionists are part of the New World Order.

        • Frank

          Actually the sources I have referrenced say that the Zionist movement is responsible for the return of the Jews to the state of Israel. They are the main political activist organization in Israel and want to bring all the Jewish people back to its home in Israel. It wants them to keep their heritage and I dont see how that could possibly be viewed as NWO thinking.

    • Average Joe

      Bastiat,

      Very astute! Well said. It is a shame that more people don’t “get it”.
      Thank you sir, well done.
      Best wishes,
      AJ

  • Bastiat

    Thank you Toney Mahoney…I am amazed how spiritually connected Ron Paul people are…it must be the Holy Spirit that brings us all together…

    And thank you AJ for that awesome video tribute to Ron Paul. For just one hour it is a great education. Anyone who really wants to vote with a clear conscience by making an informed decision should watch this video and then decide.

    • Average Joe

      Bastiat ,
      No, Thank you for taking the time to watch it.
      Please download it and share with others. I used Real Player myself to DL it and have passed out several copies to friends and aquaintances. It is only about 260 Mb. so it will fit easily on a cd.
      Again, thank you for watching., I am glad that you enjoyed it.

      Best Wishes,
      AJ

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    This article was written in 2005. Please pass it on…

    The average American in the year 2005 lives a fragile existence, in a struggle for survival that can be ended by missing a few pay-checks. The carrot at the end of the stick which was formerly known as “the American dream” has been replaced by a whip
    that can best be described as the American nightmare of homelessness, and slow, early death.

    You no longer work to achieve a better life for yourselves and your children. You work to keep a roof over your head, and you pray that you don’t lose it. You became a slave when fear replaced incentive as your motivation to work, but I still suggest that you work while you can, because if the company you work for can’t send your job overseas, the U.S. government is allowing 2000 people per day to enter this country illegally, because they’re willing to do your job for less.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re a “white collar” or “blue collar” employee. If you’re an American, you’re too highly paid. There are billions of people who want your job, and your government is doing all they can to see that you lose it to them. You see, we’re
    not really Americans anymore. Now we’re just anonymous faces in the “global village,” because our government has sold our nation to foreigners and international bankers, and the new bankruptcy law has doomed the American citizen to a life of debt slavery.

    They’ll insist that illegal immigrants are only doing jobs that Americans refuse to do, and you’ll probably believe it, because if you’re watching the TV that shovels that stuff, you probably still have your job. The illegal immigrants are doing jobs that Americans always did, and every unemployed American I talk to can’t find a job anywhere. And just like the European immigrants that flooded this country before the economic
    depression of the 1930′s, today’s illegal immigrants also have no gripe with a government that has allowed them to work for high wages in America, while sending billions back to their homeland.

    Nor do they care very much about our constitution, bill of rights, or way of life. They’re only here for what they can grab, and our government has welcomed them with open arms, because they’re grabbing it from you.

    You’re already working much longer, and much harder, to achieve a much lower standard of living than the previous generation, and 25 percent of working Americans no longer even get a vacation.

    The Social Security retirement age has been raised to match the life expectancy of American males, so apparently, you’re also expected to work until you’re dead. When
    you do finally get a vacation, the only trip you’ll be taking will be in a pine box, and that’s only if you’re one of the lucky ones.

    Most of us will only get the state-issued canvas bag that gets tossed into the pit with all the others.

    If you don’t mind the fact that you’ll be working until you’re dead, you might also want to consider the fact that you’ll get nothing for your labor, because this nation’s economy is about to crash like a freight train, and when it does, everything you’ve worked for will vanish. After the depression gets ugly, and your family has made the adjustment from three meals per day to three meals per week, the newspapers will blame your hunger
    on “the economy,” as if it were some magical force that uncontrollably ruined a couple of hundred million lives. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Politicians and international bankers can manipulate national economies at will, much in the way the media manipulates your mind, and a decision has been made to impoverish Americans (except for the ruling elite members and their families and other
    offspring), because global government requires that everyone in the world have an equally low standard of living.

    Simply put, we’re being robbed of all we’ve worked for, because our government wants us to be poor, hungry, and docile, dependant upon them for our existence, and in fear of them for our lives.

    The government of the United States is intentionally destroying the economy of the United States, because the politicians and the international bankers they work for have decided that the American way of life and catering to the demands of the American constitution, is simply too expensive.

    Regardless of how wealthy you think you are, you actually have no real money at all. The “federal reserve notes” that are in your wallet, and your bank account, aren’t really money, but are actually only paper on a debt that can never be paid, not even by combining all the assets and labor of every American alive today. Any loan-shark with a third grade education will tell you “the paper’s no good,” and naturally, the foreign investors who allow us to float this debt, have come to the same
    conclusion.

    What is commonly known as the “U.S. dollar,” represents a debt that is owed by the U.S. federal government, to the federal reserve bank. The federal reserve bank happens to be the privately owned entity that lent the money that’s represented by the paper in your wallet.

    The federal reserve act signed away everything you own, and the fruit of your labor as collateral on this debt, and as foreign investors are becoming increasingly unwilling to invest the $2 billion per day needed to cover the interest, our creditors will want to collect it.

    About 90 percent of all Americans are mortgaged to the hilt, and would have little or no assets left if all debts and liabilities were to be paid. Most Americans have taken advantage of low interest rates, and are now paying a mortgage on their homes. The
    booming real estate market has made every purchase profitable, because the price of a home always rises.

    The problem is that the price of a home today is incredibly over-inflated, and the real
    estate boom that’s been keeping the American economy afloat, is about to bust. Interest rates are going to rise, and the price of your home is going to drop drastically, which will leave you stuck paying for a house that probably wouldn’t pay the interest on
    your debt if you sold it. If you’re lucky enough to remain employed, inflation will shred your paycheck until you can no longer make mortgage payments (i.e. rising gas, food and utility prices). This is when you need to remember that when a nation’s economy collapses, the wealth of the nation doesn’t disappear, it only changes hands.

    Continued:

    http://www.4truthseekers.org/articles/american_slavery_new_world_order_no_matter_what.php

    • Average Joe

      Jay ,
      Thank you for this piece. Very well written and articulated. I saved a copy and will pass it along.
      Again, thank you!

      Best Wishes,
      AJ

    • Debb

      A sobering reality check. Well put.

  • Van Ottey

    Ron Paul or none at all.

  • AWKingsley

    Time after time, I have voted Republican and worked for Republican candidates, always to be disappointed. At least as early as the hallowed Ronald Reagan, they all turned out to be Socialist. Reagan had the opportunity to stop our involvement in the IMF and World Bank after defaulting loans to Developing Countries bankrupted our banks, causing the late 1970s – early 1980s recession; he didn’t. Like our current recession, loans to under-qualified borrowers, mandated by our Federal Government, bankrupted our banks.

    Every presidential election, I face the Republican Party candidates with great hope that this will be the election when we finally get a clean honest Non-Socialist candidate into the general election, only to be vastly disappointed. This year is no exception. To those who do not understand, only if voters are willing to break the pattern will any change come about. It seems that the Republican Middle Class is still bent on self-destruction. Like a bunch of lemmings, they continue to rush toward candidates who will not quench the raging fires of Socialism. The Middle Class has lost 50 trillion dollars since 1980, and they are hell-bent on losing the rest of their wealth. Socialism wipes out the Middle Class, leaving only Elitists and Slaves. Not only is the Middle Class wiped out under Socialist and Communist systems, but some Communist and Socialist leaders are determined to keep things that way. In today’s news, Chinese Communist leaders are decrying the widening disparity of incomes in China and looking at a return to Mao principles.

    To Evangelical Christians, Socialism is not based on Christian principles; it is theft. It doesn’t make any difference how many people are seemingly helped by stealing from one person to give to another, it is still theft. Theft is a low-energy activity fraught with wages of sin/karmic implications. It produces a low-energy economy that does not have God’s respect or enhancement. People who have to have the Nanny Government are leaving God out of their lives. Relying on the Nanny instead of God will cost all of the Middle Class everything they have within the next few years. Evangelicals need to start voting for clean candidates, freedom, morality, and ethics. That excludes candidates like thrice married Gingrich and Santorum, the lobbyist who bore false witness against Ron Paul in a nationally televised presidential debate – right there in front of God and everybody. (Lobbyists are know to be liars, and one has never been able to get into a general election, much less win a general election.) If the Middle Class will not clean up the Socialist mess, no one will, and the Middle Class will end up moaning in poverty.

    • Average Joe

      AWKingsley,
      Very well said. welcome to the ranks on this board that actually understand where the elites of the world are taking us and what they have planned for us.
      It never ceases to amaze me, the number of people who claim to be “awake” yet fail to comprehend the shear magnitude of the deep rooted conspiracy against the human race…perpetrated by a very few people who control everything in the world.
      God has been removed by the equation and most believe that he hasn’t. They think that somehow God, in all of his glory is going to intervene and suddenly everything will be fine again. While the truth is…God gives us the tools to save ourselves, but they fail to recognize those tools and miss all opportunities to save themselves.
      I honestly believe that Ron Paul is one of those tools, but the masses have been propagandized into believing everything…but the truth. My only regret is that I don’t know how to get through to these people and help them…to help themselves. There are so many that “claim” to be Christians, but obviously they aren’t really…because they consistently work completely against thier “supposed” Christian values to elect the most Godless candidates in the race….and then have the audacity to complain when those candidates become elected and show thier true colors. Colors that were visable along , yet ignored.
      I am hoping and praying that the masses will fully awaken. In the meantime, I will continue to hold onto my faith, morals and convictions and pray for God’s mercy.

      Best Wishes,
      AJ

  • Freedom4US

    It’s up to us to reform the Republican Party from within. I perused some of the comments and couldn’t help thinking that the Dems have people assigned to engage us in this forum. Don’t be fooled by them. A vote for Ron Paul or a Libertarian goes nowhere. Remember Perot? What did we get? Clinton,one of the worst presidents this country has ever had the misfortune to live through. The only reason some things worked out during that admin.was a credit to the Republican Congress Clinton was saddled with and who pulled him kicking and screaming to the right. Anyone remember Hillarycare formulated in a backroom away from the eyes of the public? Don’t be fooled by these damn fools who are trying to change your minds.Vote the Republican team and commit to changing things from within. Remember, no one is perfect, life isn’t always fair, and you have to play the hand you’re dealt with. Vote Republican or face the planned destruction of America.

  • chuckb

    freedom4us, unfortunately some of the ron paul supporters are blinded by their own conspiracy theories. this isn’t anything new, it goes on every four years and their party goes thu the same old nwo, bilderbergers, fed reserve and whatever shadowy group they can come up with that haunts their minds. so trying to convince them of any thing else is like trying to change the color of the rainbow. most of them still think kennedy was killed by some one other than oswald, the towers were blown up by bush and so on.
    i think they smoke too much of the dummy dust.

  • http://hotmail Chris Phillips

    “neocon” is just another term for Zionist — meaning putting the interests of Israel before the interests of the American people. Ryan certainly is a Zionist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

    You should learn what the definition of a legal war is. There is/was nothing illegal about the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. Congress gave its approval thus declaring war so it is legal. It would appear that you must be a supporter of that nut job Ron Paul. I’m very glad that his candidacy didn’t meet with much success.

    • Bastiat

      There is a difference between legal and lawful. I could create a perfectly legal contract but if the contract is based on false information then it is not a lawful contract. The Iraq war was based on false information about WMDs. It is not a lawful war. Occupying a sovereign nation violates international law.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: I did not agree with going into Iraq. But, In all fairness, just because we did not find the weapons does not mean they did not exist. Many experts believe they ended up in Syria. Even more to the point, Saddam violated 19 UN resolutions & that was another basis for going in. How did we know what he was really up to, if we did not go in? However, we did not have to stay & build nation. Afghanistan seemed justified, because that is where Al-Queda was, & again we could’ve driven them out & just left.

        The president takes an oath to defend the nation. If Bush did not go in & Saddam did something to America, everyone, especially the DEMs would be screaming for his head!!!

    • Carl Manning

      If the war is based on a proven lie and false-flag like 911, it is patently illegal.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        Subject: globalist 923 Executive Orders In 40 Months

        (BeforeItsNews) – Video: Obama Has Signed 923 Executive Orders In
        40 Months

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food
        resources and farms.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians
        into work brigades under government supervision.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health,
        education and welfare functions.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates all persons. Postmaster General
        to operate a national registration

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all
        airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to
        relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate
        areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads,
        inland waterways and public storage facilities.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function
        to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative
        Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office
        of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive
        Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions
        and economic or financial crisis.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice
        to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute
        industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to
        control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions,
        and to advise and assist the President.

        -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness
        Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of
        production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries,
        credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any
        undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state
        of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review
        the action for six months.

        Feel free to verify the “executive orders” at will… and these
        are just the major ones…

        I’m sure you’ve all heard the tale of the “Frog in the Pot”… you
        all comfortable???

        Watch Obama’s actions, not his words! By his actions he will show
        you where America is headed.

        When it comes to Barack Obama, one of the most important things
        to understand is that he is a committed globalist. He firmly
        believes that more “global governance” (the elite don’t like
        to use the term “global government”) will make the world a much
        better place. Throughout his time in the White House, Obama has
        consistently sought to strengthen international institutions such
        as the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO. At every turn,
        Obama has endeavored to more fully integrate America into the
        “global community”. Since he was elected, Obama has signed a whole
        host of new international economic agreements. He regularly speaks
        of the need for “cooperation” among global religions and he has
        hosted a wide variety of different religious celebrations at the
        White House. Obama once stated that “all nations must come together
        to build a stronger global regime”. If you do not want to live in a
        “global regime” that is just too bad. To globalists such as Obama,
        it is inevitable that the United States of America will be merged
        into the emerging global system. Just this week, Obama has issued
        a new executive order that seeks to “harmonize” U.S. economic
        regulations with the rest of the world. This new executive order is
        yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North
        American Union and a one world economic system. Unfortunately,
        most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.

        The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is
        constantly looking for ways to integrate the United States more
        deeply with the rest of the world. The globalization of the world
        economy has accelerated under Obama, and this latest executive order
        represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic policy. Now federal
        regulators will be required to “harmonize” their work with the
        international community. The following is how this new executive
        order was assessed in a recent Businessweek article….

        continued:

      • Debb

        To BTM
        This looks like the specifics of eminent domain. Now the actions of the government are being put out for the entire public to see, not just the ones who have been living with these actions ‘in secret’ for over 200 years.
        btw, if anyone ever gets the chance to talk to a political prisoner, the actions of the NDAA has been in affect for over 100 years here in the US also.

      • KQJM

        Baloney Man:
        “a lie told often enough becomes accepted as truth”.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER LIST IS HMMMM, A BIT INNACURATE??? -

        Your executive order list has been posted in other threads, on this site.

        Those executive orders were implemented by John F. Kennedy. They did not originate with Obama.

        See the list of ALL executive orders by year here

        http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/executive_orders.php?year=1962&Submit=DISPLAY

        You’ve accepted one lie as truth because you trusted a source….. and perpetuated it.
        Now ask yourself WHY did someone NEED to LIE about that?

        • Kenyan Krusher

          What difference does it make????…Obummmma sux…..DREAM ACT, WELFARE WORK CHANGE & NUMEROUS OTHER EX. ORDERS ARE ILLEGAL !!!!!

      • KQJM

        KenyanKrusher: What difference does it make? Someone posts a fake list, perpetuates a lie, and you go on to quote additional lies and say “what difference does it make?”…… Who are you, Paul Ryan posting under a non de plume?

        Well, what other lies do you believe and perpetuate then? Isn’t that part of the entire problem…. perpetuation of propoganda…. and all you can say is “so what, if lies help my case?”

        You know who the “Father of the Lie” is, right?

        Those who accuse others falsely, do injury not just to the person, but to all of us.

  • Bastiat

    Today, we didn’t have the numbers. That is not in question.

    Four years ago, the Republican Party simply handled our R3VOLUTION by slamming the door in our faces with hardly any consequences.

    Today, the GOP establishment can no longer afford to employ these tactics.

    Instead, they’ve adopted new ones.

    Properly elected Ron Paul delegates were stripped from us. And when a motion was made to amend the Credentials Committee Report, it was ignored.

    Morton Blackwell, a longtime conservative activist and RNC Rules Committee expert, found himself indefinitely detained – along with the rest of the Virginia delegation.

    The RNC’s bus driver responsible for transporting delegates somehow “got lost” for well over an hour until a critical Rules Committee meeting adjourned.

    Blackwell and the Virginia delegation were heading up the efforts to defeat new RNC rules proposed by Washington, D.C.-based insider attorneys.

    These rules are designed to turn the Republican Party into a top-down organization and strip power away from state parties and grassroots activists of every stripe.

    All efforts to vote down these onerous rules were ignored despite a clear split in the voice vote.

    Sadly, these rules will now govern the party.

    While it is almost certain we did not have the votes on the floor to win either of these battles, a fair and open debate and recognition of our motions would have been a better way for these problems to have been handled.

    It didn’t have to be this way. And quite frankly, it’s a shame.

    It’s a shame for Ron Paul supporters. It’s a shame for conservative activists of all stripes, and it’s a shame for the Republican Party.

    However, Ron Paul supporters have much to be proud of.

    Many of the amendments our campaign fought for were included in the new GOP platform. Four years ago, many politicians in both parties scoffed at our efforts to audit the Federal Reserve.

    Now it’s in the Republican Platform – along with internet freedom, war only under a Congressional declaration, support for a gold commission, and fighting back against domestic drones.

    We also forced the establishment to cave in and seat more of our delegates than they wanted to.

    Instead of being shut out of the convention, Ron Paul was able to walk the floor and talk to his delegates Tuesday afternoon.

    Coalitions that have been built over the past several weeks on these battles will last long into the future.

    Our liberty movement is growing. It’s growing fast.

    And the underhanded actions we’ve seen over the past week are sure to drive more folks into our camp.

    I’m proud of our liberty movement. I’m proud of all we’ve accomplished. I’m proud of you.

    I strongly believe you and I are the future.

    Winning won’t be easy. Our opponents are determined to maintain their iron grip on power.

    But their days are numbered –

    The Ron Paul R3VOLUTION is not coming to end.

    Our R3VOLUTION will not end until limited government, free markets, sound money, and respect for individual liberty, constitutional principles, and a pro-America foreign policy are finally restored in America.

    • Debb

      I am not a Ron Paul advocate but I applaud the resiliency of his candidacy and supporters. Congrats on getting those proposals included in the platform.
      I’m concerned of many of the rules implemented for the upcoming 2016 election cycle for the Republicans concerning this top-down debacle. Hopefully over the next few years that section can be nullified. Now more than ever, people need to pay attention.

  • GregS

    As long as articles keep being written, which advocate voting for a third-party candidate or not voting at all, I will keep posting the following realities:

    Reality #1: A third party candidate will NOT win in November, no matter how much anyone would wish this to happen. IT JUST WON’T HAPPEN.

    Reality #2: If Obama gets re-elected for another term, the damage that will be done will be irreversible, regardless of who succedes him in 2016: ObamaTAXCare will NEVER be repealed, because Obama will ensure that it will have established its roots as a PERMANENT ENTITLEMENT.

    All potential third-party voters should keep these two realities in mind when “voting their conscience.”

    NO ONE will be able to fix the damage that Obama has created, if he is re-elected for another term in office, in which case the so-called “principled stand,” which the all-or-nothing third-party purists will have taken in November, will be all for naught.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: As Grover Norquist has pointed out, there are so many hidden costs & taxes in ObummaCare,, that it could actually sink the economy for years..this is my main reason for wanting to vote for R&R..I trust them , when they say they will repeal it.

      • GregS

        I trust them also, because it would be almost impossible for them to go back on their word, especially if the Republicans take both the House and the Senate in November. Virtually all the Republicans are on board for repealing it, so they’d look pretty stupid if they didn’t, after winning the elections on that promise.

      • Bastiat

        But where were the republicans when Obamacare was being voted on? And what about TARP and the NDAA and the TSA? The republicans could have prevented all of these but they did not. I don’t know about you, but in my book trust is something you have to earn. What historical evidence do we have that the GOP deserves our trust?

        If we all don’t rally behind a third party we are all doomed because Romney will not repeal Obamacare. He will not repeal the patriot Act. He will not get the TSA out of pants. He will not balance the budget (28 years is the same as never in politician speak). We will get more of the same because we gave our consent by voting for him.

        I hope Romney does get elected so I can say I told you so, but that would give me little pleasure as I watch the riots in the streets and the unemployment numbers rise and the cost of bread skyrocket by inflation. No, it gives me no pleasure to be right.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: Yes the GOP has been the enablers….also, now since Obummacare is a TAX, it’s funding can be controlled by Congress, so it can be withdrawn, if the will to do it is there!

      • GregS

        Bastiat asks:

        “But where were the republicans when Obamacare was being voted on?”

        They were all in Washington, D.C., where they were supposed to be, voting AGAINST it, you twit!

        My question to YOU is: Where were YOU when you missed that??? On another planet???

        Bastiat says:

        “If we all don’t rally behind a third party we are all doomed because Romney will not repeal Obamacare.”

        Since you didn’t even know that the Republicans voted AGAINST ObamaTAXCare, when it was passed by the DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES in both the House and the Senate, it’s apparent that you DON’T know what you’re talking about when you claim that “Romney will not repeal Obamacare.”

        I won’t bother to address the other issues that you (Bastiat) raised, since they had NOTHING to do with what was being discussed in this thread, which was ObamaTAXCare. This will be the greatest threat to the American people, if Obama is re-elected, because it will become a PERMANENT ENTITLEMENT. Once that happens, NO ONE, not even you third-party all-or-nothing purists, will be able to repeal it.

  • Cecilio Mendez

    Last elections were not much as to “elect” a president, as to “repel” one (albeit he was going out anyway). This coming elections are looking very much like the past one – repelling the one in office. Although this time the action is “preventive”, before he makes more damage. The Romney-Ryan ticket may not look perfect or even very good now, but that is a fact to be proven later. At least they know America is awake and it would be foolish for them try raising the Americans ire one more time – Third time is the charmer. The picture is very clear… is the lens that need some cleaning.

  • Erik

    This is another idiotic letter just like Livingston’s last letter!lwe need is another million voters who would believe this crap for Obama to get re-elected! This is what happens when your so-called conservative virtue becomes a vice! It seems Livingston and his buddies are working for Obama by putting out this nonsense!

  • Carl Manning

    The only way to beat this system of the false Left/Right paradigm perpetrated by a complicit MSM that profits immensely from this whole charade every two years and gives them something to talk about on their propaganda news programs is for genuine Conservatives (and by that I mean Ron Paul Constitutional Conservatives who aren’t neocon nutjobs and typical American idiots still believing the 911 LIES who haven’t any sense God gave an ant) to launch a new TRUE NEWS Network. Of course, for it to succeed, it must be diligent to screen out applicants with dual Israeli/American citizenship, Mossad plants, and CIA plants who already have completely destroyed the MSM. We must also take the radio airwaves en masse to obliterate GOP Kool-Aid Radio and replace it with honest-to-God TRUTH for a change. The GOP Neocon Propaganda radio like Rush Bimbo and Sean Insanity will always screen 911 TRUTHERS and BIRTHERS and anybody who wants to tell the truth about the ridiculously un-Conservative GOP. You can’t change the world by calling their shows. You must start your own network(s) and radio shows. Yes, you will not get many, if any, “big” corporate sponsors or “big” political parties paying megabucks raised from party fatcats like the MSM, or grants from a gazillion Liberal Foundations like Public tv broadcasting, but you will have to run it like Public tv and Christian tv does with periodic telethons and fundraisers – maybe even try lotteries. If Christians would ban together and get educated spiritually and mentally about what’s going on in the government in BOTh parties, they could estabish a THIRD CHRISTIAN PARTY that would scare the daylights out of the Establishment. We have to think OUTSIDE THE BOX. The powers that be have essentially neutralized our votes in the current False Left/Right Paradigm and MSM Propaganda and media circus they throw at you. If we try to start a Third Party we can actually vote for without a valid press to push our cause, we’re wasting our time and our money!!!

    • Bastiat

      Carl, I agree with what you are saying but if you want people to read what you write try breaking up your message into small paragraphs.

      It is much easier to read smaller paragraphs and you will get more people to read your message.

  • Carl Manning

    For most bone-headed idiots in the GOP still drinking the Propaganda Neocon Kool-Aid, it’s all about winning – Conservative principles and the Constitution be damned. Americans like fools approach politics just like they approach economics: “I’ll get around to it later.” “Let’s just sweep this under the rug for the time being until wecan deal with it.” “I’ll catch up with my debt later.” We are not just incurring massive economic debt; we are incurring massive political debt when we continue to accept the political diet of socialism, fascism, and monopoly funny money force-fed us by the bastards on Wall Street running the show. If you do not take a stand for good now, WHEN WILL YOU EVER???

    • Sickofit

      Money forced-fed by Wall Street???
      It’s the Federal Reserve!
      Can you name any congress or administration since the US shelved the gold standard
      who have proposed that we close down the Federal Reserve? We would have to move back to the gold standard. That would be painful, especially to politicians

  • Jeff M.

    I just love it that all the teabaggers and Christo-fascist dimwits are fighting with each other! I do think it’s funny they call Obama a socialist, when he is more conservative than the entire Republican Party before Reagan started the party down the path to looneyville.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says; That may be the funniest Baloney , the Mahoney Man has ever tasted…..BTW, how is looneyville? You know the part you reside in?

  • Sickofit

    1. Who was President when the US first became involved in Afghanistan?
    Answer: Jimmy Carter. – Provided military aid to theTaliban who were fighting to rid their country of the Russians.
    2. Who was President when the US undermined the Shah of Iran?
    Answer: Jimmy Carter
    So, What kind of a world would we be in if we had minded our own damn business and let them mind theirs?

  • LiveFreeOrDie

    Here’s areality check for all you Paulbots- you are DELUSIONAL. If all you fools voted for Gary Johnson it will total 500,000 votes tops. So you just go ahead and live in the land of make believe. Oh, and this article once again highlights the Jew hating undercurrent of the Libertarians- isn’t “neocon” code for someone who supports Israel? Hmmmmmm???

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: It is not Jew hating, but ZIONISTS they are against…BIG DIFFERENCE….methinks you are full of Baloney!!!

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: Below is just one of many “hidden” taxes in Obummacare, many more kick in as time goes on….Romney & Ryan say they will do all they can to repeal it, a compelling reason to vote for them!

      Subject: FW: Fwd: HOME SALES TAX – BEGINS 2013
      This, on top of the State and town conveyance taxes ?
      When does your home become part of your health care? After 2012!
      Your vote counts big time in 2012, make sure you and all your friends and family know about this!
      HOME SALES TAX
      I thought you might find this interesting .
      The National Association of Realtors is all over this and working to get it repealed, — before it takes effect. But, I am very pleased we aren’t the only ones who know about this ploy to steal billions from unsuspecting homeowners. How many realtors do you think will vote Democratic in 2012?
      Did you know that if you sell your house after 2012 you will pay a 3.8% sales tax on it? That’s $3,800 on a $100,000 home, etc. When did this happen? It’s in the health care bill, — and it goes into effect in 2013. Why 2013? Could it be so that it doesn�t come to light until after the 2012 elections? So, this is �change you can believe in�?
      Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% sales tax.
      If you sell a $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation, — who often downsize their homes. Does this make your November, 2012 vote more important?
      Oh, you weren’t aware that this was in the ObamaCare bill? Guess what; you aren’t alone! There are more than a few members of Congress that weren’t aware of it either.
      You can check this out for yourself at:
      http://www.gop.gov/blog/10/04/08/obamacare-flatlines-obamacare-taxes-home

      • GregS

        Well stated, Mahoney Man.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: Thank you, Greg , I give the glory to God !!! & say ObummaCare is full O’Baloney!!!!

      • KQJM

        Why, after all the lies at the RNC that were put forth, would you believe a chain email letter?

        It’s been refuted….. and that letter has been circulating since 2010

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/21/1112452/-Debunked-house-sale-tax-email-my-DEM-avon-lady-cc-d-me

      • KQJM

        Obamacare=authored by the conserverative think tank “The Heritage Foundation” and floated by the Republicans in the 1990′s.

        IT’S A REPUBLICAN AUTHORED PLAN!

        Adopted as a concession to the Republicans. Obama wanted a single payer plan.

        I don’t like Republicare (the plan that Obama put through, not essentially any different than ROMNEY’s plan in Massachusettes)

        But whether it will cost more, or save thousands, depends on WHO you are listening to…. party politics, economists, federal budget office…..

        You might do yourself a favor by reading someenon-partisan perspectives here

        http://healthcarereform.procon.org/

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says: It’s funny how not one REPUB. voted for the Repub. authored plan, isn’t it? In the intervening years they woke up…..don’t try to transfer this crap upon the Repubs., Obama let PE-LOUSY & the others write this crap, he wasn’t even involved, that’s why Bill Clinton can’t stand him, he does not lead or govern, he is not presidential, he is an inept amateur !!!

          Once Scott Brown won in Mass., the DEMS broke several parlimentary rules to even get it to a vote…it’s a piece of crap unconstitutional legislation & will further bankrupt the nation & not provide nearly the coverage of uninsured they envision…the Federal govt. cannot run a hot dog stand correctly!!!

      • KQJM

        Baloney Man: What’s the difference between “Obama’s” plan and Romney’s plan (heralded as an advancement). ?

        Why was the single payer mandate blocked, and by whom?

        Don’t get me wrong…. at this point, my feelings regarding the Heritage Foundation’s plan remains ambiguous….. there is too much speculative information about “how it will play out” on both sides.

        And taxes: The literally thousand upon thousands of tax laws, and structure, did not begin with this administration. They have always been in place, and as Romney so exquisitely illustrates, IF you understand them, and IF you have money, you can play the shell game with your assets, substantially reducing (eliminating in some cases) your tax liability. The information being put forth by the other side is that the Middle class, being defined as what was it, earning under $250K a year, are not affected by the proposals.

        Regarding State, County, Local taxes, I agree that there are way too many “permits, application fees, rules and regulations” that are strangling small business. Maybe this is what happens when citizens don’t participate in their local governments….there is no oversight at the local level, and it grows unchecked.

        Regarding SPENDING: Forbes published an analysis claiming Obama has been the most conservative government spender – see article here http://tinyurl.com/c6b2acy . In fairness, Forbes ALSO published an article claiming the opposite by a different contributing writer. However, a Ron Paul forum provides this analysis of the information here: http://tinyurl.com/8f79mee

        Look it, for me, the jury is still out on much of this….. I ask a lot of questions because I don’t KNOW the answers. The only thing I know for certain is that BOTH SIDES slant the info to serve their interests. Slanting is different than outright lying about it, different than fabricating information.

        One can look at the information and legitimately interpret it differently and speculate on the long range outcomes.

        It seems to me though that we, as a people, and as a species, are not tremendously efficient at accurately foreseeing long range effects.

        My apologies for rambling on so…. some days, I just have a shotgun approach to all the posts I encounter. You seem genuinely interested in acquiring information, so I thought you might find the above interesting references.

        • Baloney Toney Mahoney

          The Mahoney Man says; The best thing we can do as a nation right now regarding the economy, in my humble opinion, is reform the tax code for individuals & corporations….how many pages are there in the tax code? has it reached over 100,000 yet? Ryan addressed this in his budget…& recommended no more loopholes…there should be a flat tax, or maybe 2 levels,say 15% & 25% (for higher earners), no more loopholes for anyone, including corporations.& how about the 49% who pay no taxes chipping in with something….Why shouldn’t rich people avoid taxes? Is it better to give more & more to the Feds to misuse & start more entitlement programs that will be full of waste & fraud & corruption? Donald Trump said once, “I have no problem paying more in taxes, as long as it goes directly to reducing the deficit, not to more entitlements.” The DEMS just want to keep taxing so they can continue to give away more free stuff & get votes, it’s one big bribery scheme. My idea, if this simplification of the tax code was done, would be to take many of the IRS agents, who would no longer be needed & use them to root out fraud & waste in govt. programs & bureaus.

          Charles Krauthammer, who I respect a great deal & pretty much sticks to the facts & never makes it personal, says if they taxed everyone 100%, it would only make a small dent in our debt…meditate on that & you see how chilling & dire is our plight as a nation right now. 16 Trillion is way off the charts…..

          Leaving all the rhetoric aside & differing philosophies, the following TOTALLY DIS- QUALIFIES OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT FOR 4 MORE YEARS: Obama will be the first president to go through a term without passing a budget, which is a violation of federal law. (He will also be first president to have a negative job loss). Not only, has he not gotten a budget passed, the 2 that he proposed, DID NOT GET ONE SINGLE VOTE FROM HIS OWN PARTY BOTH TIMES…HE GOT SHUT OUT TWICE!!….in the most partisan time in political history…and then he says the Repubs. stifle him at all turns…what lies!! The media enables him to get away with this…He does not want a budget, because then you can’t spend like a drunken sailor, I think that is why he put forth 2 budgets that had no chance of passing, he did it on purpose, so then he can blame the Repubs. & the media will back him up & the ignorant masses will believe it! He could not do a better job of destroying this country if you tried to intentionally….but maybe he is!!!

  • michigander

    I voted for third-parties until 2008. Kerry and Gore were statist pikers compared to Obama, who seems to have it in his blood. Romney’s no great shakes, but the prospect of four more years of the dreariness is far worse. Ron Paul or, worse yet, the pro-global warming/pro-abortion/pro-open borders/pro-gay marriage Gary Johnson are, in the end, vanity votes. The presidential process has been going on for at least a year now, and if either stood any kind of competitive chance they would show up on the radar already. They don’t. Johnson will be lucky to crack the Libertarian Party’s one-percent barrier. And Ron Paul has, I believe, implicitly endorsed Mitt Romney. It’s easy to look at the grand picture, and there’s some truth in minimizing the differences between the candidates, but in the end there’s an intensity to Obama’s statism that is frightening. We’re in the position of the frog in the boiling water. At some point it’s going to get too hot and we’ll be cooked! This column is just plain wrongheaded and foolish.

    • GregS

      I agree with you 100 percent!

  • brazzos

    Paul Ryan voted to invade Iraq in 2002. He didn’t want to fight in the war, too chicken, but sent oUR families into harm’s way. The same for Mitt, but his five sons didn’t fight. Too cowardly, much like mom and dad.

    • KQJM

      I think it’s called being privileged.

  • Michael J.

    Calling it “The Ryan Delusion” misses the point. Cut to the chase and call it “The Rothschild Delusion”. Most here understand the preordained succession unfolding in front of our eyes. Call it status quo false left-right paridigm or good cop-bad cop, but the reality is that in order to fight tommorrow, we must first survive today.

    Left with no other choice but choosing the fast road to hell or the slow road to hell is a decision rational minded humans can make in a nano-second, while plotting feasible solutions for neutralizing global tyranny. People hopelessly oppressed have made the same call time after time.

    Ron Paul was our best hope. Now that a chantilli laced threat has taken him out, abstaining from voting, or voting for candidates who cannot possibly win is the act of cutting your nose to spite your face.
    Though this battle is lost, ultimate victory will belong to todays survivors.

  • Chris

    Thanks Dave H. for posting the below………I took the time to watch it and I feel every citizen of this country should see it. Because of this, I am not just going to “vent” to my congresspeople and the President, I will also be venting to my State’s Governor……AND sending him this link so hopefully, “he” will watch it. Maybe this is the answer…….maybe it’s time we go “back in time” to what was meant back in those constitution days.

    Jeffrey Tucker interviews Tom Woods on the topic of Tom’s latest book
    ‘Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century.’
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2YaTVRR90g

  • KQJM

    Baloneyman…you Say: “Why shouldn’t rich people avoid taxes?”

    Why shouldn’t we all avoid taxes? More than half the people in the U.S. make less than $34,000 annually….. any deduction from their income significantly alters their ability to raise a family or live independently…just barely enough for basic necessities, like food, clothing, housing. Someone making , oh say, over a million dollars, can continue to live well EVEN AFTER TAXES, but you suggest THEY should be exempt, and the rest pay the burden of social costs such as police, fire, ambulance, education, research, and not just pay it, but pay it AT THE EXPENSE of even having the basic necessities in exchange for their labor?

    You Say: Obama has failed to pass a budget?

    Yet an article by Politifact refutes that, and goes on to explain the “reasoning” behind that assertion. You can read it here: http://tinyurl.com/823okcl

    “The president doesn’t “pass” a budget. That’s Congress’ job…..Republican leaders demanded a vote on Obama’s budget to show that Democrats don’t support any detailed budget blueprint, according to The Hill. Such votes are taken “just as a means of embarrassing the president and his party,” said Patrick Louis Knudsen, a senior fellow with the conservative Heritage Foundation….These votes are also what Romney’s campaign cited when we asked for documentation of his statement.”

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahanoey Man says: You are full O’Baloney…The president is supposed to LEAD…those budgets had his name on them, TWICE HE GOT SHUT OUT!!! Yes, it is Congress’s job, but the president has to have an input & here he did bigtime!!! The DEMS don’t want a budget because they don’t want to stop spending, it’s that simple….I’m more of a Libertarian & both sides have spent like crazy over the decades, we did not get to this crisis point from just one party, but from all I’ve seen now, there is NO WAY in Hell the DEMS will fix this, they’re like long-term drug addicts who don’t want to get clean…hell, R&R & the GOP may not fix it either, but with them there is some hope..
      .
      Let’s face it there are only a handful like Ron & Rand Paul & Tom Coburn who are truly serious about fixing the problem..at some point, if nothing is done, the house of cards will collapse…Hopefully, the Baloney Man & loved ones will be pushing up daisies by then!!!

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      Hollywood star: ‘Obama another Ivy League A–hole?’

      Now this left-leaning Hollywood star is ripping into the president, and using a potty-mouth while doing it.

      Hollywood star John Cusack is raising eyebrows today as he lashes into Barack Obama with the question: “Is the president just another Ivy League A–hole shredding civil liberties and due process and sending people to die in some sh-thole for purely political reasons?”

      http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/actor-obama-another-ivy-league-a-hole/

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      Al Hunt: Democrats Say Obama Cold, Loyalty Not Priority
      Monday, 03 Sep 2012 11:16 AM
      By Albert R. Hunt

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      There still are Kennedy Democrats; there are Clinton Democrats. There are fewer Obama Democrats.

      This reflects more the president’s style than his substance; he’s in the mainstream of his party, so popular that any primary challenge was out of the question.

      Yet he remains strangely unfamiliar to some core constituencies.

      If Barack Obama is re-elected, the biggest challenge won’t be ideological: He’s not the left-winger his opponents depict. The economy will be the dominant issue, events will shape others.

      Instead, it may be personal, his political persona. Be it Democratic politicians or members of Congress, campaign contributors or business leaders, there is a common refrain: Obama doesn’t much identify with us, or even much respect what we do.

      His relationship with most Democratic members of Congress lies somewhere between correct and cold. They believe that personal political loyalties are not an Obama priority.

      What makes this more than an insider’s game is that successful presidents — Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson (domestically), Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton — cultivated and established real political relationships.

      Could a re-elected Obama improve in this essential element of presidential leadership?

      Obama Biographer

      There is no one more knowledgeable than David Maraniss, who wrote the best biography of him, “Barack Obama: The Story,” which traces the 44th president’s family background and life through his late 20s. He has a unique appreciation of his subject’s strengths and frailties, and of his psyche.

      “Obama,” Maraniss says, “is mischaracterized as aloof. It’s more a self-imposed detachment. He’s not good at the visceral transactions of politics.”

      The author sees two conflicting sides to Obama. There is the writer-anthropologist “who looks at the surreal aspects of the game of politics. He doesn’t want to buy into that game completely. To be fully engaged makes him uncomfortable sometimes.” The other side is a “fiercely competitive” man who appreciates what it takes to succeed and understands history.

      When first elected, Obama supposedly sought to secure his personal and political identity by emulating Abraham Lincoln’s “Team of Rivals,” enlisting political opposites to his inner circle. This included making Hillary Clinton, whom he defeated in a hotly contested 2008 primary contest, his secretary of state and keeping on Defense Chief Robert Gates, who served in that capacity under Obama’s Republican predecessor, George W. Bush.

      Today, the “Team of Rivals” is more appearance than reality. “He thought it was a great idea and ever since he’s backtracked, he didn’t really do it,” Maraniss says. When top appointments are made, the paramount consideration usually is how the people fit the president’s “comfort” zone.

      Congressional Republicans have been unyieldingly partisan; still the president only goes through the motions of dealing with them.

      In any second term, he’s likely to face divided government, split public opinion, a lack of any clear mandate, and the need to make critical appointments, starting with state and Treasury. That calls for the promise of Obama, not the personal performance of late.

      Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, who wrote the book on Lincoln and his “Team of Rivals,” and has spent time with Obama, says there are precedents for presidents who have changed. FDR, in his third term, facing a global war, reached out to adversarial Republicans such as Frank Knox, to be his secretary of the Navy, and made Henry Stimson his secretary of war.

      Machiavellian Roosevelt

      Moreover, Roosevelt, who because of his Machiavellian proclivities relished playing people off each other, was straightforward with the key figures in his third term such as British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and the top generals.

      Goodwin says political polarization may make it even tougher for Obama than it was for FDR. Republicans were furious that Stimson and Knox joined Roosevelt’s administration; today’s Republicans may hate Obama, especially if he is re-elected, even more than their forerunners hated FDR.

      Still, she sees possibilities. “The president,” she says, “needs to use his keen analytical mind to look at what worked and what didn’t work in the first term. He needs to see how and who he spent time with and how he allocated that time.”

      Without predicting what he would do, she believes there can be “an enormous sense of comfort” that comes with a re- election that enables a president to stretch.

      Historical analogies are a reach, though they aren’t without interest.

      Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida, noted the other day that he had just finished reading the fourth installment of Robert Caro’s epic biography of Lyndon Johnson. He thought of the contrast with Obama. “Johnson,” Bush says, “would have grabbed people by the shoulders, ears, head. He would have convinced John Boehner that it was his patriotic duty to step up. He would have charmed whoever was the guy who needed to be charmed, or the gal, to get the budget done.”

      Obama may not be capable of the personal engagement of a LBJ or FDR. Still, Maraniss believes, more than most politicians or most people, he has “throughout his life shown a capacity to learn and grow and change.”

      Albert R. Hunt is Washington editor at Bloomberg News.
      © Copyright 2012 Bloomberg News. All rights reserved.

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