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The Rise Of The Entrepreneur

November 1, 2011 by  

The Rise Of The Entrepreneur

Increasingly, it appears that the far left has found a straw dog to replace its long-cherished, but now embarrassingly discredited, global-warming hoax: “unequal distribution of wealth.”

Of course, class warfare has been around for thousands of years, so it was just a matter of reviving a tired old idea. And, unfortunately, it’s an idea that works nearly 100 percent of the time — at least with those who are ignorant of history and unwilling to study or think.

But as the ne’er-do-well in the White House and Congressional Democrats continue to cast the entrepreneur as a greedy, avaricious villain whose success comes at the expense of the working man, a healthy backlash is occurring. With the word entrepreneur becoming increasingly popular with media pundits on both the right and the left, more and more people are coming to realize that entrepreneurship was the driving force behind America’s widespread prosperity — prosperity that few Americans could have imagined as recently as the mid-20th century.

After all, many of the Founding Fathers were entrepreneurs, and perhaps the two most famous in that regard are George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. They also are good examples of just how far apart the results of individual entrepreneurs can be. Though they were both farmers, Washington was one of the richest men in America, while Jefferson struggled financially throughout his life and died broke.

Jefferson’s financial difficulties are a reminder that there are no guarantees for the entrepreneur, who labors away without the luxury of a safety net. In fact, perhaps the single greatest attribute of an entrepreneur is his willingness to take risks — including the risk of losing everything if he fails.

By everything, I’m not just referring to savings, stocks, bonds and collectibles. I’m talking about his house, his furniture, his cars — everything he owns — not to mention his credit and his self-esteem.

In this vein, ultra-liberal Barbara Walters, of all people, did an excellent special last week on self-made billionaires. The slant of the show belied the rhetoric of left-wing politicians who frantically try to convince the public that being rich, of and by itself, is evil. Their words clearly imply that rich people somehow prevent others from getting ahead financially. The truth, of course, is that most wealthy people achieved their success by creating products and services that others want.

Walters’ first guest was Guy Laliberté, founder of Cirque du Soleil. Laliberté, who has a net worth of $2.5 billion, struggled early in his career as a street performer in Montreal before venturing out as an entrepreneur. Today, his multibillion-dollar business showcases in 271 cities worldwide, employing tens of thousands of people in the process. His costume shop alone, the biggest in the world, employs more than 400 people who design and produce the wardrobes for his troupes.

Do down-with-the-rich proponents really believe that the thousands of people Laliberté employs would be better off today if he had not used his entrepreneurial talents to create and operate Cirque du Soleil? I wonder.

Most important, when Walters asked him if he still takes risks, Laliberté quickly responded, “Every day.” Wall Street Journal Wealth Reporter Robert Frank, who added his insights throughout the show, then explained, “Part of the risk-taking personality is the ability to overcome failure. … One of the things that makes billionaires successful is their reaction to failure.”

Unfortunately, the true-believing progressive who spews out class-warfare rhetoric is clueless about the risks the entrepreneur takes in his quest for success. Or about the self-evident principle: The greater the risk, the greater the potential reward.

As a result, lefty politicians have a stubborn habit of stepping in and trying to curb the natural rewards of the marketplace, insisting that “it’s unfair” for the super rich to make so much more than the average working person. That’s right, no other explanation other than “it’s unfair.”

It goes without saying that from a moral point of view, their position is indefensible. If people are truly free, they should be free to become as wealthy as their talent, creativity and hard work can take them, so long as they do not use force or fraud against anyone else. And, fortunately, we already have more than enough laws on the books to bring to justice those who commit fraud or use uninitiated force against others.

And from an economic viewpoint, it’s a no-brainer. Contrary to what progressives would like us to believe, it’s impossible for anyone to become rich without creating jobs. Wealthy folks start and expand businesses and, in the process, employ others — not just by hiring people, but through the jobs that are created indirectly by those who furnish the raw materials, parts, transportation, etc. that their businesses require.

But what about someone who spends hundreds of millions of dollars indulging himself in such luxuries as mansions, private jets and yachts? It doesn’t take a Ludwig von Mises to explain that workers are needed to build those mansions, private jets and yachts, not to mention to produce the materials and thousands of parts and accessories that go into them. Then, once built, it takes people to operate and service those mansions, private jets and yachts — which means long-term employment.

Thus, economic reality makes it clear that the entrepreneur is not the villain progressives tout him to be. On the contrary, he is a bona fide hero who creates jobs and wealth for everyone who is willing to work. As such, entrepreneurs who accumulate great fortunes should be admired rather than scorned. To vilify someone for having “too much” is the height of asininity and self-destructiveness.

The single most important fact about entrepreneurs such as Bill Gates and the recently deceased Steve Jobs is that their great wealth not only does not prevent others from becoming successful, it actually gives their customers the tools to become wealthy themselves. Think computers, hand-held electronic devices and cell phones, to name but a few of the more obvious of such tools, all of which are easily available to even the most financially challenged among us.

The optimistic side of me wants to believe that truth may be on a roll here. If so, it needs all the help it can get. As the angry socialist from the mean streets of Chicago continues to preach about lame abstracts such as social justice and fairness, those of us who know the truth need to spread the word.

We need to explain to all who will listen that the entrepreneur who aspires to great wealth by creating products and services people want is not the cause of America’s problems, but, rather, the solution to its problems.

And what about hope and change? I’m all for it. When people focus on hard work, resourcefulness and wealth creation — and are willing to take risks — it gives them a lot more hope than being on the dole. Specifically, it gives them hope that positive change in their lives is inevitable.

–Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

is a New York Times #1 bestselling author and host of the highly acclaimed Liberty Education Interview Series, which features interviews with top political, economic, and social leaders. He has appeared on Fox News, Fox Business, The Tonight Show, Today, The Dennis Miller Show, Good Morning America, The Lars Larson Show, ABC Nightline, and The Charlie Rose Show, and has been the subject of feature articles in such major publications as Time, People, The Wall Street Journal, Fortune, Barron's, and The New York Times. To sign up for his one-of-a-kind, pro-liberty e-letter, A Voice of Sanity, Click Here.

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  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    The libs cant think or study the entrepreneur produces a product and employs people.

    • http://naver samurai

      “The good nesw is that, according to the Obama Administration, the rich will pay for everything. The bad news is that, according to the Obama Administration, you’re rich.”

      P. J. O’Rourke

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Mary

        We have two choices here laugh or cry.

      • jyrine

        LOL!!!

    • Wayne

      What nonsense. I’ve started companies, hired employees, furnished health, dental, optical and life insurance, competed in the global marketplace and…oh, yeah. I’m a Democrat.
      I’m a 99 and the great thing is that you find the most extreme people of the Occupy movement to demonize and that’s fine. They probably deserve it.
      But it shows the rest of us that you don’t get it.
      You will.
      http://sn121w.snt121.mail.live.com/default.aspx?fid=1&fav=1&n=1910124231#fid=1&pdir=NextPage&paid=8988c0da-ff8c-11e0-9713-00215ad71750&pad=2011-10-26T04%3A40%3A00.087Z&pidx=3&fav=1&n=1560341346&mid=0481267c-ff31-11e0-bb01-00237de3f246&fv=1

      • DowgyCO

        You should check Water’s finances! SHE AINT POOR FOLK!!!!

      • Pat G.

        The fact that you’re an entrepreneur and a Democrat doesn’t negate any of what Ringer said. Class Warfare is and always has been the crux of the liberal agenda. Or haven’t you heard any of the socialist/communist/redistributionist blather that is continually spewed from the White House and the Dems in Congress?

  • CP

    MOST liberals have no problems with the true entrepreneur. Rather, it is the man who buys fairly successful companies, then closes all but the core operation to increase temporary profits so he can unload the core for more than he paid for the whole company, many times stripping all cash reserves before he leaves. Even worse are the executives who actually do nothing other than make a few suggestions but earn multiple millions per year, then are GUARANTEED a huge payout if and when, mostly when, they are terminated. Take a good look at the golden parachutes sailing down from those Wall Street offices and you will soon get a feel for why so many are disgusted with what goes on there.

    • Ace

      If somebody spends enough money to buy a company, it is his to do with as he pleases – just as a product YOU buy is YOURS to do with as YOU please. If later he “unloads” the company, then somebody must obviously wish to buy it – with HIS money. Regarding the “do-nothing” executives with golden parachutes – the OWNER(S) of the company hire and fire the executive for their own reasons and the OWNER(S) determine that kind, if any, “golden parachutes” there will be. Sounds like ECONOMICS 101 to me.

      • Ken

        Take a look at Wal Mart. Big corporation right? They own some of the factories in China that make the cheap crap that they in turn peddle to you (I don’t shop there). In addition to the factories, they force the employees to live in their dormitories, which they charge rent for. All while paying fifty cents a day so they can undercut the prices of the little guy. In America, they pay minimum wage and keep hours low, so that the public has to provide healthcare via Medicaid. Look that up it’s all verifiable on the net. If you don’t think there’s a problem, you’re the one who needs an economics 101 class. I won’t even start in with Wall Street. That subject would be above your head.

        • Ace

          Wal-Mart sells their “cheap crap” on the open market which means that nobody has to buy it. Yet, apparently many people do, otherwise Wal-Mart would not be a big company. Regarding employees, last I looked it seemed that nobody HAS to work for Wal-Mart. If they do, that means that they want to, at the salary and benefits offered – for their own reasons. Would you have Wal-Mart – and other companies – pay more than the market price? You would then sound like Karl Marx – “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. Regarding my need for ECON 101 since this stuff is over my head – a major university did not share your opinion when they bestowed an MBA on me. ‘Nuff said.

          • denniso

            No one has a problem w/ entrepreneurs or innovators. The point is that the wealthy have increased their share of the nations wealth dramatically while the middle and lowers class have seen their incomes stagnate or go down in real dollars for the past 30 years. At the same time the rich are paying a lower percentage in taxes than they have in 50 yrs. The ONLY group of Americans who have not suffered or struggled during the crash and recession are the rich,while the Repubs want to fix the debt problem on the backs of the working people and poor.

            If we can’t say that our system is fair to all,then what can we say about it? ‘The land of the rich’? ‘The home of the coddled wealthy’?
            ‘The place where any one rich enough can make it’?

          • DaveH

            In 1950, Government (at all levels) cost us 23% of our GDP. Government now costs us 40% of our GDP. Those taxes divert money from productive investment in the private sector to unproductive investment and consumption in the public sector:
            http://mises.org/daily/5772/Are-Government-Jobs-Productive
            And those are only the direct costs. In addition, Government’s plethora of productivity-stifling regulations cost our economy an inestimable amount on money.
            Put the blame where it belongs, Liberals.

          • DaveH

            For those Liberals who don’t have their hands in the till, and truly would like to open their minds. There is no teacher like Experience:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

          • Bill J

            Bravo! Well said!

          • eddie47d

            Since the majority of clothing items and much of everything else is foreign made then that old line that “you don’t have to buy it” is getting rather boring. Do you suggest we boycott Chinese/foreign goods and go naked? Maybe the spinning wheel will make a come back and we can make our own clothes. Walmart 20 years ago prided itself on selling American made goods and hooked Americans in buying their products. They reeled us in and cheapened the consumer and themselves. The Waltons were once admired but now they are just another behemoth offering cheap products and low wages while gobbling up small businesses.

          • Patriot1776

            It sounds like Walmart has developed a customer base and supplies what the customer’s want – and have been successful in doing it. If customers are demanding lower prices for goods and are willing to sacrifice quality, then the supplier (Walmart in this case) has to find a means to meet the customer’s wants. Because big government and the global warming histericals have created regulations and legislation that has driven the cost of manufacturing goods in the United States, Walmart has been forced to buy the goods from cheaper sources in China. Being that China is communist, I doubt that Walmart truly owns any plants there, the government does, the government regulates the pay of the workers.

            Walmart has simply used capitalism to be successful. Anyone with the skills, abilities and willingness to take the risk can do the same thing. The only thing stopping you is you, until obama finishes off capitalism.

          • independant thinker

            The reason wally world is so successful is the gulibility of the consumer. Wally worlds propaganda machine has everyone (almost) believing wally has the lowest prices when in fact studies have shown that except for short term specials or sales wally’s prices are the same as Target, Kmart, and other mass merchandisers.

          • professor

            Walmart, and other companies,no doubt, are profiting from government incentives, to move their manufacturing out of country. Why would any “sane government” discourage keeping our manufacturing jobs, at home, for Americans. I thought “creating jobs” was at the top of the list for this regime. We need our manufacturing base brought back in country, Free enterprise, won’t work when the system is stacked with anti-American legislation by our own government. It seems treasonous for the government to pass legislation that is extremely harmful to America.

            The problem is with a government that pushes American jobs off to other countries….seemingly, there is more interested in supporting the economies of other nations, rather than our own. This regime wants us to blindly accept that owning a successful business is evil, because it has been built off the backs of the poor. Somehow, the successful supposedly have taken “something” from the poor. We need to ask….Would the poor still be poor, if Walmart never existed?

            Big business operates within the system that is legally, supported and advanced by Big Government. And the agenda of this Big Government, of obama’s, is advancing Marxism and the New World Order… that will divest America of her manufacturing and her ability to sustain herself.

            The problem is not with the American Entrepreneurial Spirit and Free Enterprise. Those things have been the source of American greatness. Of course the Marxist would attack that which propelled this country into being a great Nation. It seems to be a problem, for the Marxists, when people that are willing to work hard, are rewarded with success. Individual success is evil, being part of the “collective,” that is important.

            A majority of us know our real problem is that we have an anti-American government, determined to pass legislation that will bring about the demise of our Nation.

      • eddie47d

        Ace needs to dig alot deeper in those owners taking those bonuses and golden parachutes.They have become modern day pirates in their demands for high salaries and threats of “deserving” more. Few of present day CEOs earned or deserved the wealth that has been bestowed upon them. The system is decked in their favor and since they control the companies they control their salaries and even their own bonuses. They make it look like share holders have a big say in what they receive when that is a manipulated illusion.Even when a CEO is fired which is even rarer they get to keep their loot and live well for failing. Ace needs to check out the aftermath of their scams and see what is really fair and honest.

        • Patriot1776

          eddie47d, the problem with the system is big government won’t let it work. If there had been no bailouts and capitalism would be allowed to work without interference, then companies that provide outlandish rewards would eventually cease to exist because they aren’t competitive. Since liberals can’t understand how it works, they have to interfere.

        • daniel

          eddy The problem is that there is no moral compass in either government nor business dealings anymore. It is all “just business” or “the ends justify the means”. Why does Obama assail Wall Street one day and that night expects donations? Nothing is for free. We bailed out the banks and they in turn pay the money back by raising our fees. We are essentially paying them for screwing us all with the congressional approval. We bail out GM and Chrysler who in turn use a smoke and mirror accounting to claim they paid us back. Of course their stock is not going to pay for itself so we still lose. This class warfare is nothing more or less than coveting your neighbors goods. If you look at the headliners in this dog and pony show you will see that they are doing quite well while their followers are doing not so much.
          We want or in some cases can only afford cheaper goods. China with its large population were at the ready to take advantage of what we wanted.
          You see we are all guilty in one form or another. It is therefore up to us to change the way things are done. OWS is wrong in what they espouse as the cure to be short about it.

          • Don C.

            I have been an entrepreneur for 50 years. One of the things that lead me to start my own business was that had lots of training and skills in manufacturing but I realized the the union stature was not going to allow me to advance because of my own talent. I started out working as a tradesman in the factories and after belonging to 5 different labor unions I realized that this corrupt system of steeling from the company and only giving the company a halfhearted days work was not for me. All of this was being encouraged and controlled by the unions. We complain about China and other countries taking our jobs but my firsthand experience has told me why. One of the things that I believe is the fear of failure keeps people from becoming inventors and entrepreneurs. We have failed to educate our young people to be able to start and run their own business. I’ve noticed that the pursuit of law degrees and social science has steered our youth to become liberal thinkers which spend the rest of their life as takers instead of givers to our society. In other words what happened to all the engineers that are needed to power industry. Tort reform is so important to the entrepreneur and nobody is even talking about it.

        • vicki

          Eddie47d writes:
          “Few of present day CEOs earned or deserved the wealth that has been bestowed upon them.”

          This statement is obviously either false or just a useless liberal opinion.

          That they got the wealth bestowed on them is proof they earned or deserved it. Unless you happen to mean those folk that get government to force taxpayers at gunpoint to pay them.

          • eddie47d

            Don’t be so naive Vickie.

        • speedle

          Eddie, I said to myself I haven’t got time to write anything here but I will scan some of the comments anyway. Well, when I see yours I just can’t help myself because you give yourself away by supporting your viewpoints with such inane logic. Executives can’t “demand” high salaries and golden parachutes. They get them if the stockholders and the boards of directors think they are worth it. Who else should decide what they get – you – a bureaucrat???

          And what the hell do care if Oprah the Ditz wants to have 25 houses. It’s done of your business how many houses she builds. In fact, you should be glad she does because she creates jobs by doing it.

          • vicki

            Well. Actually executives can demand high salaries. They only get them if their customer (stockholders, Board of directors etc) decides they are worth it.

            This is quite a bit different that when government demands that YOU buy health insurance. You can’t say no.

            Thus we see as it has always been, (big) government IS the problem.

          • Lost in Paradise

            Yes they can demand high saleries, but they will not get it, unless the board think they deserve it, based on the past experience fo the one applying for the job.

          • eddie47d

            Several Enron executives left the company and took $30 million each with them. One lives here in Colorado and another in New Mexico and neither of those were prosecuted. They do pay themselves well and they do get to keep the loot. Ask the California rate payers how they felt about that one. The same with United Healthcare and Lehman Brothers just to mention 2 more. The CEO of United Healthcare got 1 billion 400 million in his retirement,err golden parachute. Are shareholders that gullible or just plain ignorant.

      • bob wire

        “If somebody spends enough money to buy a company, it is his to do with as he pleases – just as a product YOU buy is YOURS to do with as YOU please.”

        I don’t know at what level your mind was at back in the 80, but they had a thing called hostile take overs and leveraged buy out and sell offs.

        A lot of people lost not only their jobs but retirement saving in the process. It wasn’t a pretty sight. I guess that it wasn’t you or any of your family.

        So the question could be raised what responsibility comes to Corporate owners with employees? You are saying “none” what so ever.

        So~o okay, ~ but what about Federal tax credits, what about infrastructure built with tax dollars? What about tax incentives from local taxing agents? Fiddle dee dee, lets worry about that tomorrow?

        • vicki

          Bobo wire writes:
          “So the question could be raised what responsibility comes to Corporate owners with employees? You are saying “none” what so ever.”

          He is saying that whatever the employment CONTRACT existed between the employee and Corporate owners is what is valid. No mere hostile takeover can supersede that contract. Try reading one sometime. They are quite detailed.

          Bob wire: “So~o okay, ~ but what about Federal tax credits, what about infrastructure built with tax dollars? What about tax incentives from local taxing agents? Fiddle dee dee, lets worry about that tomorrow?”

          Thus you see the problem is government. Then again if the corporation negotiated in good faith to build an item of infrastructure and obtained the contract to do so then that too is covered and a hostile takeover can not supersede it.

      • Bob McCormick

        The problem, when they get done looting the company, people are out of work.

    • Raggs

      CP you must be referring to solyndra and the other liberal globalist “green” energy SCAM’S that oblama is up to his lieing eyeballs in…

  • spxz

    Mr. Ringer has it correct. But he really should have gone a bit further. The ‘left’ (Marxists, socialists, communists)have a total fear of the entrepreneur. Just the concept of an individual being able to achieve wealth, status and POWER is the antithesis of the ‘centralized government controlling everything’. Were too many people to espouse the concept of “I will achieve it on my own”, the lie that centralized power is a better alternative is forever displayed as a lie. naturally, those seeking central domination cannot allow that to happen. Thus, the “Class Warfare” approach. After all, there can be no argument of the success of these people. And there can be no argument that their approach worked. The only thing left is to demonize them and their success. One thing that the ‘left’ never realizes, is the utter incompetence of the people and agencies in the government they create.

    • Cramer

      spxz, Thanks for the wisdom!

    • bob wire

      Well he is only correct if you elect to believe him. The business end of his hook is baited with a unsupported statement in his opening paragraph. If you can chock down the first paragraph, he has you in his boat in no time flat. You didn’t even give him a fight but jumped in his boat! Saying, “take me home and eat me.”

      The last 30 years trend of wealth distribution in the US is not sustainable for any nation of people that might think of themselves as free. World climate warming is a fact while the cause could be debated.

      • SunnieDee

        I don’t know where you were in the 70′s when global heating was the big issue; but now that the cycle has reverted back to cooling everyone is in a big panic. FYI – global temperatures are cyclical! The four seasons are evidence of that. There are then the major weather cycles. Certainly, there is global cooling – for a time. The globe is cycling towards global warming, again. Check with history and the past heat and cold cycles and you will find that the earth has been very much colder and people survived. The whole heating/cooling frenzy is strictly political.

        • eddie47d

          Yes it has became very political for the right and the Koch Brothers who have poured in millions in an attempt to debunk climate change.(at least $23 million as of last year) The Koch’s have a vested interest in breaking pollution laws and that includes emission standards which effects climate. They have bought off the deniers to feed their piggy bank.

          • JeffH

            eddie, will you ever be honest…”in an attempt to debunk climate change.” Will you ever admit that “climate change” is a natural process? We will always be at risk of unexpected and unpleasant climate changes from natural causes.

            I think you aren’t being honest here! It’s “man made” climate change that has been debunked as a ruse to profit. Hucksters just like Al Gore reap huge profits by pandering to the deepest fears and ignorance of their listening audiences.

            People are generally willing to make sacrifices for the greater good when the need for those sacrifices has been clearly and honestly illustrated. In the case of climate change, however, the potential for increased taxes on the one hand and the development of a wholly new commodities market accessible to a select few on the other, raises the public hackles.

            Regardless of what many would have the people believe, climate science is not set on a single answer, but politicians and their cronys would appear to have arrived at a single conclusion — there are tax dollars to be gained and profits to be made in supporting the theory of man-made global warming.

          • Sheldon

            Eddie? “Richard Muller, a physicist who spent two years trying to see if mainstream climate scientists were wrong about the earth’s climate changes, determined that they were right, the Associated Press reported.”

            “The skeptics raised valid points and everybody should have been a skeptic two years ago,” Muller told the AP. “And now we have confidence that the temperature rise that had previously been reported had been done without bias.”

            Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/richard-muller-koch-brothers-funded-scientist-declares-global-warming-real-article-1.969870#ixzz1cUcv3cCg

          • JeffH

            eddie…to add to this… Muller said he was never a denier – he just wanted the studies to be done properly.

            Now the scientist, who received part of his funding from a foundation funded by David and Charles Koch, is recommending what many climate scientists have done before: decreasing greenhouse gases.

            But he hasn’t totally gone on the side of environmentalists.

            “Global warming is real,” he wrote in an editorial in the Wall Street Journal earlier this month.

            “Perhaps our results will help cool this portion of the climate debate.” ****”How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that.”****

      • Ted Crawford

        What Progressives fail to accknowledge is the simple fact that, when talking about the rich and the poor, the same people are not always in the same group given time! Statistically 16% of those currently in the bottom 20% will, within a decade, be in the top 10%!
        Saddly, for me at least, the reverse is also often true! I was doing very well in the ’70′s&’80′s, made some bad choices and lost it all in the ’90′s. Worked at any job and gradually improved my lot, still looking for another oppertunity to try again. Might be out of time, though, old body might not have the energy to start again, but I’d rather try and fail than sit and cry like the Progressives!

        • eddie47d

          16% of those in the bottom 20% will be in the top 10%? I don’t think we have ever seen that and I don’t see that happening in the future. Good luck in trying to make a come back.

        • bob wire

          You seem to suggest only progressives are crying? ☺

          It could stated that this whole site is a cry site and not be far off base. As Ringer is tapping into a stored up supply of anger and attempting to direct it in a single liner direction for pure party affiliation purposes as it’s rather clear the GOP hasn’t a clue what to do other then oppose the left as opportunity presents.

          Ringer has created a, we vise them paper and you lavish on it. 22 years of the recent 30 were dominated by “alleged” conservative politics policy makers but today you want to scrap with people like me? LOL ! okay~ I’ll give you a good donkey ride.

          It’s comical! This dirty sock fight we seem to enjoy so much while major issues are ignored. Everyone seem to be enjoying their position in the fight so why should any change come of it?

          We get a “LABEL” change is all, some satisfied egos maybe but little real meaningful change.

          The right needs us ! We are the excuse for their many failures! Without us what might they do? Succeed? Succeed to do what? Screw us over some more?

          If you desire real change vote for Ron Paul. He or I cannot guarantee it will happen, but he will try much like Obama has tried. But whatever the end results, do not expect rapid change or you will just be disappointed.

          I’ve not noticed a lot of this upward mobility that you speak of in my circles, but of course, I don’t gamble but work for an agreed price.

          I gave up this attempt to grab at the brass ring and fast track to the top some time ago and done reasonable well for the decision.

          It’s not impossible to aspire today but it’s not any easier either unless you cheat the systems put in place. We have always had economic predators, flim flam men, Shylock’s, confidence men, extortionist, blackmailers, fraud, and corruption. But today it’s rooted deep in our halls of government like never before.

          They tell us what we want to hear and we eat it up. ~ all but Ron Paul

      • DaveH

        Bob, I realize you didn’t state that Homogenic Global Warming is a fact, but just in case you’d like to put that Propaganda to rest once and for all, watch this movie:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0WwtPcALE

        • eddie47d

          Are you playing up that same old video Dave. A prominent physicist and former skeptic of global warming has just spent 2 years trying to find out if his colleagues were right. Richard Mueller who was given $600,000 and 1/4 of that by the Koch Brothers to bolster the Koch’s claim that global warming was a hoax. He reviewed all the data and came to the conclusion that temperatures were indeed rising and his colleagues were wrong.Land masses are 1.6 degrees warmer than in the late 50′s.He then took his study back to Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson who also studied weather and change. He also found out those weather stations throughout the world were in fact mostly reliable which his colleagues had tried to debunk. His conclusion is that greenhouse gases are real and they do effect climate. To say this is a hoax does a disservice to all scientists who have been working on the global warming issue. Mueller also stated there is plenty of work to be done and his report will be printed in top scientific magazines soon. He is well aware there are plenty of skeptics on both sides and studies should continue.

          • JeffH

            More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims.

            “I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” – Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

            “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical…The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system.” – Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

            Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” – UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

            “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” – U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

            “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ
            http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7

          • DaveH

            You didn’t watch the movie, did you Eddie?
            And Global Warming hasn’t been denied. Man made Global Warming is the issue.
            Here’s another website that Eddie and his cohorts, who are afraid of truth, won’t read:
            http://climatedepot.com/

          • DaveH

            It really doesn’t matter anymore what you Liberals think about Homogenic Global Warming because the majority of people have awakened to the Hoax:
            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/69_say_it_s_likely_scientists_have_falsified_global_warming_research

          • eddie47d

            Just like I was saying there is plenty of room for debate and each side has proof positive facts.Neither group can claim superiority on this issue and it may take years or even decades to sort it out.

      • vicki

        Bob wire writes:
        “The last 30 years trend of wealth distribution in the US is not sustainable for any nation of people that might think of themselves as free.”

        True. Which is why we are so against socialism. Distributing so much wealth by big government (~100% GDP now) is just not sustainable
        http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html.

    • bob wire

      “One thing that the ‘left’ never realizes, is the utter incompetence of the people and agencies in the government they create.”

      This polarizing bias you seem to carry and display make you less bright them what you might actually be.

      The “left” does not have exclusive rights to this mindset brother. Just about every elected GOP politician you wish to examine will agree with you regarding government fumbling yet by the end of their term has made government only larger.

      Ronnie Reagan cut and slashed the Federal government early on and still it grew as he failed to keep it inside budget at his terms end. Dick Perry? Same things. 60% of his alleged job creation that he wishes to boast of were government jobs and the balance required wearing a paper hat.

      W. Bush? ~ need I even go there?

      So, enough of your partisan bias already. It simply fails to add up or impress. The “conservative” GOP track record on such matters fails to support your sweeping assessment, making them no brighter then anyone else.

      • Papa

        It appears you suggest that the various agencies created by our federal government are NOT incompetent? If that’s your case you best not show up in court.

        The fact that “Republicans” are no better than their liberal counterparts also fails to inspire. The truth is “Progressives” are the problem, and they’re found across the spectrum in politics, just more tightly grouped and in greater numbers, being more easily identifiable on the liberal left. The entire Bush family plus John McCain and now “Romney” are progressives. Always have been. These are the darlings of the Republican party and who they promote, because in today’s landscape there is only “ONE” major party, which is the “Progressive” party with a left and right wing.

        Therein lies our problem. Learn it, teach it, and prosper…

        • bob wire

          I’m left to agree with you Papa. ~ not that I wish too! I simply see no other explanation that describes today’s political climate and current events.

          You can call me anything but I prefer to be called correct.

          And Dave, I’ve not the time to check into your movie link today but I shall.(and thanks) But for whatever reasons we are going though a warming cycle and sea levels are rising in cause & effect fashion. greater changes will be forth coming and certain.

          I have built HVAC systems to accommodate 102 degree ambient for many years. Today I build for 110 degrees. Maybe not views as a big difference, but it is if you are engaged in the nuts and bolts of it. I build for an expected system life of 30 years unless directed otherwise.
          30 years is a longer view much like civil engineers must work with. A lot can happen in 30 years.

          American politic seems to focus on a 4 year cycle or the next news cycle so I would not look to politicians for long views.

          I gotta go to work, you all have a wonderful day.

          bw

      • Patty

        Bob, There you go again. Left versus right. Pit the sides against each other. What you don’t get is that conservatives don’t care what side of the isle you are from, bad policy is bad policy. And since the left seems to come up with most of the bad policies, they get to own the fact that almost everything the government touches or gets involved in, is destroy and run into the ground. I don’t care if it is capital cronyism (Sylindra, GE, GM etc), to all of the social programs that the left loves to embrace. If any of those programs worked, they would be fixing the problem, not making it a bigger problem.

        • bob wire

          “Bob, There you go again. Left versus right. Pit the sides against each other.”

          Forgive me Patty, perhaps I misread Ringer original posting or maybe you did.

        • eddie47d

          We hear alot about crony capitalism Patty so please tell me which companies AREN’T apart of that way of doing business in America or overseas? Let’s rewind and start there. That way we will know who the good guy is and who is the bad guy(company).

          • Opal the Gem

            According to eddie any entrepreneur who makes a profit is lower than dirt and beneath contempt.

          • eddie47d

            Opal is not paying attention and once again speaks without knowing.On top of that she never says anything intelligent only the usual smirky remarks.

          • vicki

            Eddie47d. Since government meddles in EVERY corporation and every corporate decision (regulations you know), It is Government (big) not corporations that is the problem.

            Even Ford Motor Co, who did not partake of the TARP still has to suffer from the regulations.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            Opal learned it well from your posts eddie.

  • DanB

    I knew I would agree with much of this article before I even read it. This topic isn’t new. I already knew where I stood on it. I read it mostly to see how my viewpoint might compare, to reinforce my viewpoint, feel good about my dreams in life, or some combination of this and more.

    What I did want to comment on was the intro, man-caused global warming. I suspect that if you boiled down the particulars of the scheme, that you find that just like class warfare, there is nothing new or original in their idea. Just like Charles Darwin is not the really the father of evolution, he is only the guy who took the ideas of others and put them into a document that actually got put forward by yet others. Imagine my surprise when I learned that he actually put “evidence” to a theory he learned from others. So I suspect it is with man-caused global “climate change”. The earth is always changing climates. Has been. Will be. In fact, as I type this I realize that the man-caused climate change group can probably trace its origins back to more medieval times and cultures when men and women would be told that there sins of immorality caused floods, tornadoes, fires, and even drought. Natural disasters would be used to control and subjugate a superstitious population. Which is interesting words coming forth from me since I believe completely in God. Just because I believe in God does not mean that I am have to be ignorant of how men will subjugate others through superstitions and religions. And some of us believe that the man-caused global warming crowd is more of a religion than a science. Almost like those that go after “social justice” are more fanatical than practical in their ideology.

    • bob wire

      “I knew I would agree with much of this article before I even read it”

      It was his bait! yummy stuff for like minded folks.

      • DaveH

        Bob, you can’t refute a single thing that Robert said. But, you’re welcome to try.

        • eddie47d

          Why don’t you try Dave since you refute God. I could care less in who you believe in but you deserved that one.

          • bob wire

            above the belt eddie.

        • bob wire

          ” Bob, you can’t refute a single thing that Robert said. But, you’re welcome to try.”

          Hmm? ~ I couldn’t get beyond Ringer’s polarizing bias to even explore it for content David. I chose to refute his, ~ political bias and that his brand XXX was somehow far superior without offering adequate support other then “those stupid liberals”.

          and this I have done by offered example and supported with Papa conceding with mixed agreement, with such a statements as, “Today there is but one major party, a progressive party with a left and right”. I thought Papa most insightful with such a response.

          so I guess we are all whores, it’s just a matter of price.

          If Ringer want to write about issues, ~ write them! and enough with the Nanny Nanny Poo Poo games.

          • DaveH

            Obtuse, but still no refutation, Bob.

          • bob wire

            Well if being upset with people that make claims they have no plans to keep, obtuse I shall be. Nixon was the last GOP president that managed to honored his promises. Since then, it’s been a thousand points of light, butterfly nets and men in white suits. You can’t believe a word they say.

            And today I asked to vote for another one while the only one suitable for consideration will never make the cut. Democrats don’t have the market cornered on stupid. Ron Paul will never get the nod. I don’t like this position any better then the rest of you.

            I believe I told you about Cain, women and the pizza business many weeks ago. He’s done ! not for the women so much but questionable funding issues via AfP. A one-two punch, to the heart and head, he’ll not recover, try as he may ` doesn’t possess the substance of character and it’s not for sale or he’d try to buy it.

    • Ted Crawford

      The Scientific community has been trying to warn us that Climate Change was upon us since the ’70′s! I can remember that they warned that the foodstuffs of the world were in imminant danger of being destroyed. We needed to rank Climate Change right up there with the threat of nuclear war and if we didn’t take drastic and immediate action mankind would be destroyed very soon by the impending ICE AGE!

      • eddie47d

        Not sure if you were trying to say if nuclear war was a threat or not. One thing for sure the right spent trillions trying to prove that it was there and thus putting fear into half the world. .

        • Brad

          Try again Eddie,

          It’s been Al “the shy is falling” Gore who has been scampering around the globe beating his doom and gloom about man made climate change. One thing I do believe in is the earth does naturally cool and heats in stages and isn’t caused by man. You really need to read this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020427/Climate-change-far-alarmists-predict-says-NASA-scientist.html

        • Brad
          • eddie47d

            Good grief there is oodles of articles on the web telling us to believe or not believe. Neither side seems to be totally correct and neither is the web always right. One thing for sure pious authors like Ringer who call global warming a hoax are disturbing and operate with a closed mind. His first sentence proved that.

          • Brad

            Eddie,

            I’ll believe NASA over you any day of the week, believe what you want and I’ll listen to the true professionals.

          • vicki

            Man caused global warming is clearly a hoax. Just the simple collection of emails from Climategate prove that and sully the reputations of a bunch of deserving people who claim to be scientists.

            Global warming and cooling is however a well observed phenomenon and there is evidence it has gone on for longer than man has been.

          • eddie47d

            Those E-mails proved no such thing.

    • JeffH

      DanB, very well said!

  • Craig Cope

    Very well written and right on! I am a member of the middle class
    and believe that I have the opportunity to better myself if I apply
    myself and take the prudent risks necessary to achieve success,
    which is never guaranteed.

    • bob wire

      Hmm? I was too once. I’ve been a sole proprietor, independent business man since 78. I’ve survived and endured as many fell to the wayside along the way. I’ve lost everything but my name once and still feel under siege and threatened by predatory government regulations and taxing authorities created under the Reagan administration by state government as they cherry pick compliance and what they wish to ignore.

      This is not my idea of the middle that I enjoy today. It’s not bad but well below my expectations. I depend on the middle classes doing well as their numbers continues to shrink.

      Your contentment is your and you are entitled but don’t require it to be mine.

      Have you ever watched friends and acquaintances that seemed on top of the world stumble and fall off of the radar screen? I have, many times.

      It’s not hard to do and easier today then ever before.

      • DaveH

        What did Reagan have to do with State Governments? Except California of course when he was Governor.
        And Bob, market entrepreneurship is replete with risks. Robert Ringer made that claim in his article. There are no guarantees with Market Entrepreneurship, as it should be.
        If the middle class is being destroyed, it is being destroyed by Big Government which takes 40% of our GDP. Read the articles I linked to in previous comments to see proof for that.

        • bob wire

          Directly? little, indirectly a whole lot David. But you miss the thrust of my argument. I was not singling out Reagan for attack. I was exploring the cause and effect nature of government. Canada says living next door to the USA is like trying to sleep with an elephant. So, all matters of government are very much related.

          In the 80′s The States left with budget shortfalls rather then cut spending and programs enough to neutralize balance, they elected to raised taxes, created user fees and increased service fees and licensing fees, inspection fees, etc, State government became predatory as did banks.

          What downsizing Reagan did to the federal government and got off the tax payers back, the states climbed back on leaving the taxpayer paying more and receiving less by the time the dust had settled, with bigger more intrusive state government.

          Just fixing the Fed alone will not solve America problems, we have bloated state government and the cure people like Gov. Walker offered up, just pi$$es people off. Change needs to be up front and personal and not sneaking about, trying to slip something by.

          But to have no government is not an option, as much as I might like the sound of it.

          Is some balance just too much to ask for? I don’t care if my state senator sits on a nail keg or his thumb but a $800 dollar office chair is over the top.

          • vicki

            Bob. Why do you seem so left/liberal in most of your writing? By the above you clearly understand that Big government IS the problem.

  • Sharon

    If ‘carbon credits’ are being used to determine ‘wealth’, how will they do the calculations for healthcare workers? By lives saved or deaths accelerated? All these issues are inter-related..KISS(AR)..Keep It Simple Senators (& Representatives)..Restore responsibility & stop paying the leeches for not working

  • Sharon

    About global warming.GOD is reminding us who is the Boss…Politicians need to remember elementary school ‘science’..that we need to plant more food crops-double whammy..more food, more O2 & less CO2..Our problems started when we cut down Amazon Rain Forest & converted it to pastures for cattle grazing

    • Herbert Wyatt

      Sharon,

      All green plants produce oxygen. Pastures of grass produce oxygen just as well as tracts of trees. This is not an approval or disapproval of cutting rain forests, just statement of fact. Grass makes oxygen, too.

      • vicki

        not just grass of the fields. All the plants of the sea.

    • DaveH

      Plants take in carbon dioxide and give off oxygen during the day. At night the process is reversed.

      • vicki

        With a net positive to O2 which is a good thing cause we need that 02 :)

  • Jeryl

    It has always amazed me how much the far left hates the rich, when in reality they only hate wealthy conservatives. I wonder how much Barbara Walters and Barak Obama are worth. The vast majority of Congress are millionaires and are getting richer on the public dole. Global warming magnate Al Gore made millions off his Occidental Oil stock when Bill Clinton opened up a strategic naval oil reserve to Occidental. Mr. Gore had approximately 1.5 million shares in Occidental, which he sold when the Occidental stock went up because of the new oil field – provided by Bill Clinton. Wonder if they knew what they were doing, huh?

    • Joyce from Loris

      The one I am always amazed by is Oprah Winfrey. People grovel at her feet, she is the richest woman in the country, and maybe the world, now. Yet, she is as liberal as they come. She can throw a few cars around the audience, and they worship at her feet. She tells people all the time they should take care of the “poor amongst us”, yet she has 27 MANSIONS. There is NO WAY she can live in all those mansions. The richest zip code in America is Alpine, NJ. Mostly who lives there are movies stars, rap singers and some ball players. Yes, they are mostly all black and totally liberal. Why don’t those people pass THEIR millions and billions out to the “poor amongst us”? I could care less what any of them have, but just like Nancy Pelosi, who is worth $35 million, they are constantly telling the rest of us we should “share our wealth”. They need to start at home, I say.

      • Cramer

        You are exactly right Joyce!

        • eddie47d

          Joyce is only partially right. I love it when free enterprise conservatives take on free enterprise liberals. What a merry go round she is putting herself on. All wealthy are fair game whether libs or cons and they all deserve scrutiny. Does Oprah need 27 homes? Hell no! One is plenty and 2 or 3 is much. Neither of us can stop her obsession with buying them or wanting one more. I also can’t stop any wealthy person in how they spend their money. We can complain yet it doesn’t do much good. Bill Koch,yup one of them, owns thousands of acres in Colorado and even has his own private town. The thing is it is all prime land and access is cut off for other Coloradans to enjoy even the surrounding areas. Is that fair ? Hell no! Yet that is how the wealthy operate. Greed,selfishness and self loathing for more is a rich disease and nothing is ever enough.

          • Brad

            You are envious of the rich aren’t you Eddie, you can’t stand the fact that they have made it and you got stuck working 40 some odd year’s at a lame job and for what. Now all you want to do is stick it any one who’s rich and you really rail against any one who’s republican. Not once have I heard you say anything against any one on the left who are rich; i.e Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, John Kerry and the list goes on, right now you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Quit being a hypocrite to include being a lier, you are denigrating yourself as being uneducated when bringing false claims and providing no proof to back your claims.

          • eddie47d

            I bring up facts and you fiddle with a put down. Where’s your facts Brad/

      • Karolyn

        Oprah is a philanthropist who gives a lot away via her foundation. She has also helped millions of women become more than what they were before. She is also a humble person. You would know this if you watched or read about her. I could care less how much somebody has and do not covet their riches, because they are some of the unhappiest people in the world. It’s what they do with it that matters. Greed and power are the reson this world is such a mess. There is no reason children should be going hungry in this country – or any other country for that matter. The greedy wealthy people could totally change this world if they weren’t so self-centered and could realize what is really important in this life.

        • lonetrader

          Oprah is a lieing bitch. She is a hipocrite.If she truly believed in distributing the wealth as her Milano President, she would liquidate and give. Yes she has given a small amount away. Just about enough to get her in the next LOWER TAX bracket. What I love about Liberals is that they want to distribute my money and not theirs. Anyone who is a Liberal is a looser. Their policies are killingh this country. Why don’t they go to China and take their BS there.

          • eddie47d

            Oprah gives away many millions each and every year so how does that make her a liar? That is called practicing what you preach? Are you doing the same lonetrader? I believe you are the one feeding us all BS.I don’t agree with her giving cars away although even Elvis did that. I much rather someone gives $50,000 to that person for a good education so they can go out and buy their own car.

          • Brad

            Eddie,

            You truely can’t stand it when some one calls out a liberal/progressive can you. Lonetrader didn’t call Ophra a “liar”, Lonetrader called he a “Hyocrite” a hypocrite is a person who will say one thing and do another. Sure Ophra does give millions away annually but how much actually goes to charities and by the way she does float the boat for a girls school in south africa, why wouldn’t she do the samething here in the US?

          • eddie47d

            Actually Brad if you put your glasses back on he did call her a “lying bitch”. You read right over what someone says and make your own interpretations. Nice try and yes she does do things for Americans so your point is pointless.

        • DaveH

          Karolyn,
          It is the Greedy policies of the Liberals that are starving our children. If wanting Forcibly to take other peoples’ legally earned money away isn’t the definition of Greedy, I don’t know what is.
          I know it scares you to death to read anything that might truly enlighten you, but why don’t you transcend that fear for once and read this very enlightening article?
          http://mises.org/daily/5277

          • Karolyn

            Why would you think I’m afraid to read, Dave? Very interesting article. You might post it when one of the posters here advocates going back to the land.

        • JeffH

          Karolyn, I think if you’d dig deep enough you’d find out that the center of world poverty and the hungry children can be linked directly to the International Banking Cartels and their desire to create and control the world as the New World Order. The Rockefeller and Rothschild families, JP Morgan, Vanderbilts, Kuhn Loeb, the creation of the Federal Reserve. These are just some of the key people that are the enemy of anyone who aspires to be successful and lead productive lives.

          For them, “War Is A Racket”. They’ve financed two World Wars; the revolutions of Lenin/Stalin and Hitler, among others; the creation of the IMF, World Bank and other private “central banks” like the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England; as well as their backing of international organizations like the United Nations, World Health Organization, World Trade Organization has sought to control not only the purse strings of the governments of the world, but also the policies, laws and programs that those governments and agencies implement.

          The success of the UN has been tremendous for them because they “control” the third world by keeping it in the political and economic crapper while their resources are being stripped right out from under the very people the UN is supposed to be helping.

          What the banking cartel has been doing to other nations – engineered economic collapse via their economic hitmen and Wall Street jackals – is now being done to the United States. Our economy is being systematically destroyed through unprecedented debt via the private Federal Reserve. The goal – as it was in other countries who refuse to yield to global government – is to completely collapse the U.S. economy. Then – through the civil unrest and economic carnage that follows the collapse – install a centrally dominated, dictatorial government where, in the case of the United States, the Constitution and Bill of Rights no longer exist.
          http://waketheherd.blogspot.com/2009/07/international-banking-cartel-is-new.html

          • eddie47d

            Thanks Jeff finally a comment we can really bite into and chew on.Expose those who are in charge of the real problems and turmoil and keep giving them hell.

          • JeffH

            eddie, if you had been paying attention, you’d have noticed that I’ve been posting this stuff for a couple of years now. Nothing new in my camp!

          • DaveH

            Nothing new, but Eddie is finally starting to lift his blinders and peek out a little. Of course, after he finally does awaken, he will act like it was his idea in the first place. Excessive Hubris Goeth Before the Fall.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, if and when eddie gets over his envy for the wealthy will he ever be able to understand exactly what crony-capitalism is and the role that government plays in enabling it to exist. Much of it is tied directly to the “central banks” and the Federal Reserve vis a vie the International Banking Cartel.

          • eddie47d

            I’ll take my thank you back Jeff for you and Dave once again prove yourselves to be asses.I thought it was better than your usual partisan swill but I should have known not to trust you.

          • JeffH

            eddie, oh no, now you take it back…how grown-up of you! I guess you really fixed us didn’t you?

            Better to be pis$ed off than pi$$ed on.

          • eddie47d

            Yes you pissed on me but I should have expected that.

          • JeffH

            eddie, did you somehow think that because you said “thanks Jeff” that we would become buddies all of a sudden? Just because you can’t comprehend or understand something doesn’t mean we’re gonna become freinds all of a sudden. I’m don’t plan on changing anything on account of you. Enjoy the shower then, it’s much deserved!

          • DaveH

            Eddie has probably been peed on quite a few times as he stood there with a shovel, not doing his Union job, and doing his best imitation of a fire-hydrant.

          • Void1972

            Jeff
            Wake the herd! I love it. We have been trying to explain this for years, but this article is very well explained.
            I will pass it on, thank you!

          • eddie47d

            Those on this site are the Herd. Their insanity has been cloned.

          • libertytrain

            Well, you’re on this site :)

      • Jeryl

        You are absolutely right. Don’t know why I didn’t think of her.

    • Kim

      Al Gore is the biggest hypocrite of all. He flies around the country on his private jet and lives in a house that my entire extended family on both sides would fit in comfortably. All the while he preaches to anyone willing to listen about global warming and the need to reduce our carbon imprint.

      “Progressives” don’t have any issue with the Wall Street rich who have been appointed Czars with no Congressional oversight or electoral input by our joke of a president. I also don’t see any of them talking about reforming a very broken welfare system which incents generation after generation to remain in poverty, at the whim of governmental assistance. Why? Because this is their voter base!

      • Ted Crawford

        He also claims that sea levels will soon rise by 25 feet, then bought a $9 Million mansion on the beach, the highest point of which is 15 feet above sea level. It’s clear he recognizes his rhetoric for what it is!

  • Michael W. Morgan

    Well written and obviously true. However you are fighting a battle against ignorance which the power elite in the United States has guaranteed by rewarding the least among us for existing in a vegitative state. It is by inspiring and empowering people to excel that we, as a nation improve the lot of all. As far as I can see, no one is fleeing the United States for the utopian socialist states of Greece, Italy, Spain, France.
    We are being led by a stranger to our Democracy who hates all we stand for, as he (his ghost writer) has clearly stated in all of his ersatz rambling(books). I fear we are doomed by this ignorance and the social misfits that are in power today.

  • http://jassyl@centurytel.net James Kirksey

    Our world has become warped into thinking that riches equal happiness and everything people need in life. However, a balance is necessary in all things; including money, food, clothing, etc. Our all knowing God, established laws to maintain this balance. He also prohibited covetness and stealing. When we sit down, covet what others posses and rationalize ourselves into thinking that we can build our government around economic equality, with no regard for individual effort or risk, we have crossed an imoral line, which failed in the USSR, Europe, and all places it has been tried. The coined phrases to make us think poverty qualifies anyone to steal(tax)the property of another are all built on lies and deceit. American welfare has ruined the lives and work ethic of many minorities. Disregarding political views, a welfare state will not work for any government. We must return to God’s absolutes, which teach individual responsibility.

    • eddie47d

      You come close to hitting the nail on the head. The rich(greedy) and poor(welfare) have indeed crossed the lines of decency The middle class is being jerked every which way but loose.

      • Brad

        Eddie,

        Yoiu have missed the moral of James post. Our politicians and governments are to blame for the ensueing escalation of the poor whom are on welfare. The vast majority of those poor souls are minority I get that, but when programs to get them off of welfare and into job training and into paying jobs doesn’t work and for what reason, they have no will to work for a living but live off of the US gov milk cart. They find it easyier collecting from uncle sugar all thanks to our social programs which take from one to give to a non working slob!

      • eddie47d

        I got his point Brad and you go off into your usual anti-government crusade. Are those the same job programs that the Republicans are always defunding? It would even be a stretch to suggest that the Republicans have even looked into job creation. As a matter of fact where are the private jobs creators you are always tootin your horn about? More pissing in the wind from Brad.

        • JeffH

          eddie, can you be more specific? Maybe you could give a short list of the “job programs that the Republicans are always defunding”?…or are you making it up? C’mon, be honest here.

          ACORN? NPR? Planned Parenthood? I’d really like to know.

          • eddie47d

            Hey you left out Jobs Corp and Americorps.

          • JeffH

            Gee eddie, to my knowledge they’re all still in business and still recieving stipends from the gov. ACORN changed their name to Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA) but they’re still getting grants from HUD.

          • eddie47d

            I say so what because nothing was proven against Acorn. That was mostly a Republican charade.

  • Lastmanstanding

    We have 2 businesses…and we have lots of friends that are business owners…we have been pushed to the max and are still here.

    My message to obama,libs,progs,commies and anyone else who has been trying to destroy us…THERE IS NO F$#@ING CHANCE OF DESTROYING US!

    YOU WILL GO AND WITH OUR WILL YOU WILL BE STRIPPED OF ALL YOUR BS!

    “give me liberty…or give me death.”

    • bob wire

      When Patrick Henry spoke those words in much darker times then today,they could have cost him his life if fell on certain ears.

      Is life so dear and peace so sweet?

      drama is good. But what words will you offer during darker times to come?

      Darn right ! Life is dear. ~ Peace? not so much, why would such a nation as our spend so much on military matters if it were so? Peace for us is hell for others as we keep them in constant checkmate.

      So we do love “our” peace and fight and spend to keep it! but at the end of the day we all know that the absence of war does not constitute a lasting peace.

      The King of England wanted his payment in gold and refused Continental Script, ~ it was time to get lofty and be inspired with fighting words as we had little gold to spare. Mean old King! Puooy on him.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I am all for the entrepreneur and Mr. Ringer is correct that it is a driving force in America’s prosperity. His MAJOR error is equating entrepreneurship with greed. It is not the entrepreneur that should be vilified it is the greedy. They are NOT the same.

    Mr. Ringer also points out that; “we already have more than enough laws on the books to bring to justice those who commit fraud or use uninitiated force against others.” While a lot of people lost a lot in the market collapse of 2008 not a single law maker or banker was prosecuted for this uninitiated force against others. In fact most bankers, corporate heads, and law makers are doing even better now while the other 98% or so of us are barely keeping our heads above water – or worse despite working harder than ever. The rich are subsidized in many other ways as well through corporate welfare, tax shelters and other means.

    Mr. Ringer congratulates the rich for creating jobs. It would be great if they did that here in America as opposed to shipping jobs overseas. It is an attractive option open to the rich since they do get a tax break in doing so. Something President Obama tried to stop but Republicans and some Democrtats blocked that idea.

    Steve Jobs, the ubersuccessful capitalist-Budist-son of a Muslim, did a lot of things right as does Bill Gates. I don’t know anything about Jobs giving back but I know that Bill Gates (and his wife) have been very generous with their money in giving to serious world problems. THAT is the kind of entrepreneur America needs -NOT the greedy.

    • Karolyn

      I take issue wity the same assertion, Doc. I hear no one railing against entrepeneurs. It’s the greedy that are the problem. I mean, really, how much does one need? they couldn’t spend it all if they tried! It is also probably the root of most of their problems. Money is their God.

      • FreedomFighter

        Listen here K,

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyujOSEexM&ob=av2e

        Lucy’s loosed and there is hell to pay.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • libertytrain

        I am reading that you too find the Michael Moore’s and the Al Gore’s a bit on the greedy side as well. I just don’t know when the Department of Greed is created, who will run it, and who will decide how much is too much? I find the concept frightening. Like the Salem Witch Trials, or the Inquisition….. who decides?

      • Ted Crawford

        Who is possessed of the largest greed, he who wishes to keep more of what he’s earned, or he who would take from someonelse, without earning?

        • libertytrain

          Well said, I know what my answer is.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Some people get paid more than they earn and some don’t get paid what they earned. THAT is a big part of the problem; the wealthy are getting fat off the labors of the poor.

          • DaveH

            You have the Freedom still to voluntarily choose NOT to buy their products, Doc, if you don’t think they’re cheap enough. You also have the Freedom to start your own company and join their ranks if you work hard enough, sacrifice enough leisure time, and take educated risks both personal and monetary. The only thing stopping you from that is your own self and Government Regulatory Hoops which you champion, Doc. You have no right to denigrate others who have surmounted those obstacles.

        • Karolyn

          He who would not share his abundance with those less fortunate is the greediest.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        You live a life which is much better than your ancestors of 200 years ago. You have many conveniences that in those times past would have been available only to Kings and Queens, and many other things that even Kings and Queens could only Hope and Dream about. Yet you continue to complain, and want to hamper others who have more than you. Talk about Greedy.

        • Karolyn

          Dave – Nowhere have I complained or even suggested hampering anyone’s succesxs. Do you not get the difference between speaking of greed and being envious? If I had really wanted to be rich, I would be rich. Anybody can be whatever they REALLY want to be. Instead I have chosen to love what I do in the nonprofit world.

          • JeffH

            Well Karolyn, does this little quote by you define you in any way?

            “He who would not share his abundance with those less fortunate is the greediest.”

            The key word in this little quote is “share”, not steal, not cheat, not take, but “share”. Sharing is voluntary and those who’ve worked hard, taken risks, made good or lucky choices in life or even inherited their wealth are in no way, shape or form obligated to “share” what they have with anyone. I certainly won’t call them greedy because what they have doesn’t belong to me or the “world commune” that others seem to be dreaming about.

            I may be my “brother’s keeper” but that doesn’t mean I’m obligated to share anything with him or anyone else in this world…it’s my choice and my choice only.

            “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”

          • Karolyn

            Jeff – “I may be my “brother’s keeper” but that doesn’t mean I’m obligated to share anything with him or anyone else in this world…”

            That’s exactly what it does mean, Jeff. However, too few realize their obligation. It’s a morality issue.

          • libertytrain

            Sometimes I wonder if those that profess there is an obligation to take care of everyone, and everything if one does have money, what would they really do if they really found themselves in a situation to do that. Somehow I don’t think Karolyn would know the answer till it actually happened to her and that she would have the op to find that out won’t happen in the remainder of her lifetime.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            You said you read the Haiti article, but it doesn’t appear to me that you learned anything from it. Whether you advocate morality or not, the bottom line is that capitalism floats all boats. The absence of Free Trade (Capitalism) sinks all boats (except the Leaders’ boats). If you ever bother to actually study the Economic Freedom rankings that I post often, you would know that. So if you really are concerned for the poor, instead of just being envious of those who make it (I doubt it), then you will change your political ways.

          • DaveH

            I think, libertytrain, that Karolyn, who seems very much like my sister, would take the same route as my sister would, the sister who has let the Greed of inheritance overrun all morality.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – Do you ever have those little conversations with your friends about “What would you do if you won the lottery?” Without exception, all of my female friends and me consistently say that we would give most of the money away. There is much more to be gained from giving rather than getting. I find that to be especially true the older I get. Material things mean zip!

          • Karolyn

            Dave, I never said I had a problem with free market capitalism. I just have a problem with greed.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – yes of course, we all have those altruistic conversations. And I like to think I’d be generous as well. However, my point was until you actually have that money in your hot little hands you don’t really know what you would do.

          • libertytrain

            Dave, I have that same sister who has wreaked havoc with my still living (in a nursing home) father’s estate. She too pretends to be the altruistic leftist lib but lives high off the hog stealing from his estate; so I am doubtful that when people have other people’s money in their hands – when they are so obviously gloating like my sister over what she will have when he dies and what they take as they steal his funds) that the whole altruism goes out the door. And yes there are many aspects of Karolyn that remind me of what my sister says, however, I’ve seen what happens when greed over other people’s money takes over…so yep, I got your same sister and sounds like your brother as well all rolled into one. I work for a living, I don’t steal from my father or other rich folks.

          • eddie47d

            I agree with your nice little quote but unfortunately not all wealthy even share their abundance in any way shape or form. Some steal,cheat and take without blinking an eye and they are the greediest. Just like Karolyn said there is a difference between envy and greed. To take it one step further those who find wealth without truly earning it doesn’t really own that wealth. There are corporatist like those of Big Pharma and their CEOs who are generous with other peoples money. They over priced,overcharged and over took an unfair share so their giving(sharing0 to charity means nothing.

          • JeffH

            Libertytrain, I guess I’m pretty lucky to not have brothers and sisters like that. At least not yet. When my mom died, other than a small amount of savings that she had set aside for her sons, everything went to her husband(my step dad)…my brothers and I expected nothing. I’m not sure what my dad has decided to do, but again, it’s not in my mind nor my brothers minds. I decided at a very early age that I would turn and walk away before I got tied up in any battle or litigation over either of my parents estate with any of my family. My brothers are of the same mind.

          • bob wire

            Regarding this notion of being your brothers keeper.

            Sometimes Jail is the safest place for him! but these “words” find their roots in the Golden rule.

            What would you wish of others to do for you? This is what you should be “willing to offer” to them.

            I have simply reversed it and said the same thing in a different way. But it was never intended for your offering to be forced upon another.

            Brother can take his bad self on down the road, you are not required to chase after him.

          • libertytrain

            I’m with you Jeff. My brother and I had often told the parents to spend their money on themselves and use it up. But that greedy parasite lib left sister, who found work to be a dirty word, didn’t feel that way. We did hire an attorney to protect him (at great expense mind you) from her stealing more so that he may be as comfortable as he can in his remaining time.

          • Karolyn

            My father died many years ago, my mother 11 years ago. They enjoyed their money, and I never lusted after any of it. When Mom died, she had 4 $12,000 CDs, one for each of us kids and one to bury her with. My brothers let me keep her car and furniture because they didn’t want it. I would rather have had my mother still running around in that little car enjoying what money she had. I’ve always been happy that I didn’t have brothers or sisters who were so greedy and have never understood how people can be that way. Family is family, and more important than money.

    • eddie47d

      You said exactly what should be said Doc. The “other side” needs to differentiate between the entrepreneur and the those self loathing greedy whether liberal or conservative. Not all wealthy are created equal and sometimes it’s hard to poke at those who earned it and those who manipulated their wealth. Our financial system has been conned and we seem clueless in how to take on those who have done the conning.The true capitalist(entrepreneur) doesn’t challange other companies bad behavior and think they are above the frey. Our politicians never seem to have the authority to expose them because of their connections. Prosecutors can’t get them all so it becomes a continual battle. Some say they break the laws because there are too many laws. Yet after each event such as Enron it was the lack of oversight or regulations that allowed these companies to commit fraud. So who is fooling whom? Seems like Ringer is being dishonest.

      • DaveH

        Eddie says “Yet after each event such as Enron it was the lack of oversight or regulations that allowed these companies to commit fraud”.
        William Anderson, economics professor at Frostburg State University says this:
        http://mises.org/daily/1066

        Hmmm. Who should we listen to? Duh.

        • eddie47d

          You think Mises is your Bible when it is only defending the same corporatist who get themselves in trouble. Until you stop finding excuses for the “Enrons” then you are one and the same and a crony capitalist yourself.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, you just have no clue what you’re talking about. Yet, you feel a need to pester the rest of us. Why is that? I pity those around you who have to put up with your nonsense.

          • eddie47d

            More like your nonsense.

  • William Cocker

    If entrepreneurs were truly the evil beings the progressives portray them as, they have enough money to pay for the assassination of anyone they don’t like. They are not doing so! However, your president and government is, with money extorted from citizens in all walks of life. By the way, what are the “progressives” progressing toward, extinction?

    • Karolyn

      I have heard no progressives referring to entrepeneurs in such a way.

      • Ted Crawford

        Both Obama and Pelosi have, repeatedly called them “the enemy”!

        • Karolyn

          Can you cite where they called entepreneurs the enemy?

        • eddie47d

          Please do Ted!

          • http://www.bing.com/ Gracelyn

            That’s cleared my thoughts. Thanks for cotnibruitng.

        • Brad
          • eddie47d

            More smoke and mirrors from Brad. Didn’t say a thing about entrepreneurs being the enemy. That’s the question !

        • Brad
          • eddie47d

            Still didn’t say anything about “entrepreneurs being the enemy” only that entrepreneurs create jobs. Are you pulling our leg along with Ted. I want to see proof that Pelosi or Obama said that . Is it hiding under the carpet?

        • Brad
        • Brad

          Satisfied yet Karolyn and Eddie…

          • eddie47d

            Nice little threads Brad including Whizbang yet Ted’s comment still wasn’t answered. I’m sure there are plenty of business folks who aren’t happy.There are plenty of students ,veterans,unemployed,gays,blacks,union workers and a wide assortment of ordinary Americans who aren’t happy too. I wish some on here would answer the question directly and then feel free to bring up other opinions. Instead of bringing up other opinions and never answering the question. Your articles were good but that last fact made it all a waste of time. Your not the only one who does that and Dave H does it even more often.

    • mark

      No liberal has called entrepreneurs truly evil beings. They have called the giant corporations, banks, and Wall Street corrupt, unpatriotic, greedy and confiscatory toward the tax payer who they regularly fleece with bail-outs, tax breaks,and stock scams. And then having taken hundreds of billions of dollars from ordinary tax payers, these companies then move millions of jobs overseas where they can pay starvation wages to Asians and Latin Americans who are practically chained to their work benches. Liberals have no problems with Mom and Pop capitalists but they have a considerable problem with the Supercapitalists on Wall Street who have corrupted our political system and ruined the domestic and global economy. They started this global depression with their financial weapons of mass destruction – bundled mortgage-backed securities that they sold around the world and that ended up being far more destructive than the fantasy WMDs of Bush and Cheney

      • Jeep

        So, the banks and Wall Street just walked right on up to Capitol Hill and wrote their own bailout checks? Or, did they get them from Congress, after blessings from the messiah in the White House?

        • mark

          If you have an even basic knowledge of the TARP bailout you would know that it was passed in September 2008 during the BUSH ADMINISTRATION. If you have an even basic knowledge of our political system, you would know that corporations and Wall Street own the government; they buy and sell politicians, senators, and presidents like so much underwear. Wall Street bribes and pays for the best government it can get. It always has and always will. That is why the protesters are very wisely on Wall Street not in Washington. The politicians in Washington from Obama all the way down are merely the servants of Corporate America, their true master and lord. Corporate America by the way has also done a great job lately of basically co-opting much of the Tea Party movement through Koch Brother, Freedom Works, etc.

          • DaveH

            Let’s see. There was the Obama Auto Bailout, the Obama American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, the recent Obama Student Loan Bailout. I’m sure there are many more that I just don’t care to waste the time looking up.

          • DaveH

            Mark, if you want some of that “basic knowledge” that you claim others don’t have, then read the very readable book “How Capitalism Saved America” by expert economist Thomas J. Dilorenzo, and get some of that “basic knowledge”:
            http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae8_1_6.pdf

          • Jeep

            mark, you disparage me by proving my point? I admit it…I can’t keep up with you libs. You’re always changing facts, and you all have a habit of co-opting points and calling them original. Crony capitalism is the problem, and when it is pointed out you act like your outraged and don’t understand how it happens.

          • eddie47d

            Jeep, Mark and the Liberals understand crony capitalism very well.In how it has usurped the voice of the American people and brought favoritism to the super wealthy. Our individual vote is lost in this whirlwind of corporate power.Our allegiance to the Constitution has been made a mockery of by this coup the CEOs and corporates have laid upon us. Yes Liberals see that government is in bed with crony capitalism. Who in the hell it’s these days.

          • DaveH

            If you really understood Crony Capitalism “very well”, Eddie, then you would know that they can only force their way on people with the complicity of the Government. Yet, I have never heard you speak of shrinking that complicit Government and getting them out of the Marketplace. You just throw big words around whose meanings you have no clue about.

          • eddie47d

            Some one has to counter react your sprew.

      • DaveH

        Mark says “They [Liberals] have called the giant corporations, banks, and Wall Street corrupt, unpatriotic, greedy and confiscatory toward the tax payer who they regularly fleece with bail-outs, tax breaks,and stock scams”.
        Unpatriotic? What the Progressives think profit is now Unpatriotic? How far we’ve declined. And Greedy? I think I’ve already flogged that horse to death in other comments. “Confiscatory toward the Taxpayer”? By who? The Corporations didn’t take our money — Big Government did.
        So in Progressive minds it’s a “tax break” to Take Less of somebody’s money?
        Then Mark says “having taken hundreds of billions of dollars from ordinary tax payers, these companies then move millions of jobs overseas where they can pay starvation wages to Asians and Latin Americans”. Really? And I always thought it was because they couldn’t make any money on their investments here. “They pay starvation wages to Asians and Latin Americans”? Hmmm. Have the Liberals ever asked those Asians and Latin Americans if they would prefer the alternative — no jobs?
        And finally Mark says “They started this global depression with their financial weapons of mass destruction – bundled mortgage-backed securities that they sold around the world”. No, Mark, they didn’t start it. It was started when Government first started messing in the mortgage sector with the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 under Jimmy Carter — A Progressive — and then continued over the years with more and more involvement of Government into the Mortgage Sector:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

        • eddie47d

          Mark is correct Dave and your replies come across as excuses in denying his claims. No one is knocking profits which is the backbone of any company. It is what goes on beyond those profits or how a company utilizes them. An honest company will retool or reinvest back into their company and the CEOs would be less concerned about how big their personal bank account is. Which is what is going on now.They take the profits live large and the company tanks. Another thing Dave is that those same companies like all of them sure do take government tax breaks.That in itself would be against you own principle that a company should rise and fall on it’s own accord not asking for special favors.

          • DaveH

            Your replies come across as BS, Eddie. The usual state of your comments.

          • eddie47d

            You did a lousy job of proving Mark wrong so maybe you own the BS.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, it’s not my fault that you’re too ignorant to understand my proof.

          • eddie47d

            A right wing site does not constitute proof. Can you say biased?

  • FreedomFighter

    Its about power and control.

    Take it away from you, give it to the goverment, become a goverment slave or die

    “New World Order: Implantable RFID chips capable of remotely killing non-compliant ‘slaves’ are here”

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033986_RFID_chips_remote_kill.html#ixzz1cSaIIRWR

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • mark

      Obviously they have already planted a chip in you. Why else would you spout this paranoid nonsense.

      • FreedomFighter

        Dosnt matter what you believe, its a matter of record, fact, no fiction involved.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        They have already started implementing them by convincing parents that their children will be safer. Why do the Progressives always use the Children for their dirty deeds?
        http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/rfid_implantable_chips_touted_as_solution_to_child_abduction.htm

        You have a distinct advantage over the rest of us, Mark, because you will quickly spot the devices if they implant them in our rectums.

        • mark

          If they put one in your rectum that would cause brain damage, Dave.

          • JeffH

            mark, mark, mark…that’s all you have to fight with? Child!

          • DaveH

            Polly want a cracker, Mark?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Good Grief mark, ya sound like a second grader!

          • eddie47d

            Angel;Dave makes a smartazz comment and mark replies with another one. Are they both being funny or are they both acting like children?

          • DaveH

            Eddie, we wouldn’t expect you to understand. I would try harder to dumb things down for you, but then it would bore the rest of the readers.

          • eddie47d

            Get out of the Twilight Zone Dave.

  • Alex

    Yes, the Floundering Fathers were entrepreneurs—they bought and sold people.

    • FreedomFighter

      Islam butchered entire villages of black africkans, took the survivors to the coast and sold to whomever had the gold or killed them in work camps…

      guess the people that came to America are now the most powerfull and influential blacks in the wolrd, again the founding fathers did the right thing.

      Lucy leftes scum…Al..

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • libertytrain

        The problem with this Alex is that he can’t help but display his intellectual deficiency over and over and over and over…

      • mark

        No, many of the Founding Fathers were brutal slave owners. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And as for your reference to African Americans having it made in this country why is it that conservatives never make this same argument about white Americans? Even in this deep recession white Americans living today in the United States live better that 90% of the other people on earth. When do you think you will ever hear Romney, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, or Bachmann make that argument? According to them, Americans today are living in a socialist hellhole condemned to misery and starvation. While things are tough in this country right now, they are still massively better than life in large parts of Africa, Latin America, and Asia. Why don’t conservatives ever make that argument?

        • FreedomFighter

          Lucy leftest Liberal controled media suppresses the truth, feeds the populace with a steady diet of irrevelant, garbage scientificaly designed to dump them down.

          Americans are only now at the end waking up to the nightmare of the Luciferian/socialist/communist takeover now in progress in the USA.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

        • Angel Wannabe

          No Da mark, Founders were slaves owners,_ ya have to start somewhere, don’t ya????__ we’ve taken the good with the bad in the Founders, none of them were perfect, but they were masters at setting up our Republic, “we’re” the ones who f-ed it up, think about it!!!!

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, mark – think? Now that’s a novel idea! :)

          • libertytrain

            Right or wrong, at the time they lived, this slavery business is what was accepted.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Right Liberty train and Jeffh, Slavery “is” what they did back then and it was accepted.__ NOW that slavery is no longer accepted practice and the leftists policies are being attacked, it’s time for the left to call upon 230 odd years of history with continued Bush Bashing, to point out where the founders supposedly screwed up__They’ll do anything to win!!!__These PROGRESSIVES WILL NEVER GET IT, the only time they will get it, is when they’ve outgrown they’re usefulness by TPTB!

          • eddie47d

            Nice try Angel. It was mostly Conservative landowners who bought and controlled the growth of slaves in this country. Instead of hiring new immigrants for their businesses they traded in humans. So stop blaming the Liberals for your past endeavours. Today it’s Conservative business’s who hire legal and illegal Mexicans to keep their businesses going instead of keeping Americans in those jobs. Conservatives never learn but are guaranteed to blame the Liberals.

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie, LOL!!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie, all I have for a response is lol,& Nanny Nanny Foo Foo, you dis my party, I’ll dis yours__Oh Harriet-PUH-LEESE!

          • Alex

            No, slavery was NOT accepted back when our inglorious Floundering Fathers began fencing off this stolen property we call a nation—the educated and CIVILIZED world had moved past slavery. It was no longer an accepted practice and to think that “men” as educated and “freedom” loving as Tommy Jefferson, etc, shrieked hysterically about ‘liberty’ while trading people like wheelbarrows puts this wretched country in proper focus.
            AGAIN—Civilized people had done away with slavery—our Floundering Fathers needed slaves to work the stolen land they lived upon.

          • libertytrain

            Slavery is still a rampant problem hidden by the niceties of the world – It just is done differently today in all the world. It’s never ended. However you could work with the organizations that are trying to stop it rather than dwell on what someone did in 1776.

          • Old Henry

            Angel:

            “NOW that slavery is no longer accepted practice” – the Muslims do it…

    • DaveH

      Now only the Liberals are allowed to hold slaves. That’s okay though, right?

      • eddie47d

        LOL!!

  • John D. Beach

    The fact is that politicians who speak out against the wealth of the rich know this. Why the counter-intelligence? The only obvious answer is to make the little guy think you are actually painfully aware of his problems in life, his lack of financial wherewithal, and that you are trying desperately to get the filthy rich to be aware of his plight also. VOTES. No other reason. The guy who does not have the innate or acquired ability to make a wage much above the poverty line probably does not have the brains to see through the counter-intelligence hype and realize that he is being used! That is what makes the politician look so stupid in the eyes of people who do think.

  • Steve T.

    RR
    If you’re not a part of the solution, you are the problem.

    Creating jobs is not the goal when creating wealth is the end result. Its just the secret capitalist system of slavery, for the sake of greed.
    There are two types of cow owners, those that let the cow wonder the fields, have calves in their time, and occasionally give up a little extra milk to the farmer vs the farmer who puts it a barn tied to a feed trough, and a milk machine, a cow that is artificially kept pregnant, producing veal and vast quantities of milk, very little of which its progeny ever gets to use.

    While you might suspect i would align the latter farmer, with big heartless corporations, and the former with the poor but wealthy philanthropic Entrepreneur, you would be as wrong as your rationale that just because entrepreneurs, “create jobs” that somehow justifies their existence and makes them a shining example of the capitalist manifesto. It doesn’t come close.

    In fact the second type of farmer is that entrepreneur, who like real entrepreneurs, abuses the resource (worker) all the while pretending to the greater good of society that he’s keeping so many animals working while producing vast quantities of various superior products, all the while lining his pockets with filthy lucre.

    Real entrepreneurship, raises the wealth of all, not just a few. The product the entrepreneur makes doesn’t enslave the worker that slaves to create it, it raises the worker to a level higher than he would have been had he not sold into the ‘big idea’.

    Real entrepreneurship doesn’t create a market for his product and then create a market just for him. That is you justify, the products that only the entrepreneur can afford to buy as an extension of the great good of entrepreneurship, when in fact this type of entrepreneur is just one more of the capitalist pigs.

    Also real entrepreneurship invites competition, because although most in society would have that the entrepreneur has created the “be all to end all”, ‘ the last great labour saver’, the best ever new fangled
    device, in fact what almost every entrepreneur has done is to come up with some rudimentary form of a device or system that , while giving the masses a minor glimpse at what great ” MIGHT BE”, in fact is just a simplistic very expensive ‘ wanna be’. Which most entrepreneurs then spend the next 50 to 100 years protecting from any form of evolution securing patent protection and ‘market cornering” to ensure the profits flow in only one direction, because although they have a great idea, the have absolutely no ^%$%* idea how to improve it to the next level, that will truly set it apart and make it a valued extension of
    humanity. Of course the poor slobs that turn out the inferior product or system can take comfort that they will have worked for their 35 years and hopefully can retire rest assured of their shining contribution to the status quo, as long as the whole economic market place hasn’t become so stale, from all the profit taking, that their retirement package, their home and cost of the widget has inflated so much they can no longer afford the very thing they had a hand in creating and maintaining.

    If it were a truly free market, patents would never be granted, the worker would share equally in the profits (always) and the market would actual decide the value of new widget, rather than be blinded into believing, just because it has seen the light of day, it somehow MUST be important, be efficient, be helpful.

    Case in point , how is it that more than a hundred years after the discovery of the automobile, its still essentially the same beast, still inefficient, still runs essentially the same way, is only driven to change
    by law suites and insurance risk management? Yet every other decade the tax payer has to bale out one more of its shining anti entrepreneurial purveyors, all the while believing falsely that its supporting the epitome of human conveyance. The entrepreneur wasn’t the “driving force behind America’s widespread prosperity” the driving force was convincing (or forcing) people to believe that they need to give up their share of wealth, reduce themselves to slaves, and then pretend that they are wealthy because they have work.( Concentrated pockets of enormous wealth does not equal “widespread prosperity” )

    PS the most important fact about the wealth of people like Jobs and Gates, was that it was an unintended, consequence of a drive to remove a strangle hold on the computer industry, a consequence of a capitalist system that places profit before progressed, while at the same time rewarding ideas that guarantee a long long run of minor inefficient variation, each step to unattainable theoretical perfection, granting huge profit along the way.

    Or put another way how many ^%$^# shiny new operating systems can they create before the mobile phone acts like and operates like a phone, which would be great if their was an end in sight, but which already portends a day when the profit taking and the COMPETITION for control over digital content and delivery already make, the availability ” to even the most financially challenged”, just a little more
    difficult and maybe sooner than later, “impossible”. (But they can always get a job selling mobile minutes at the mall, as long as they promise never to be “HELPFUL”)

    • Jeep

      Wow! Straight from the Communist manifesto! Well done! But, really, this diatribe would play a little better in Russia circa 1916. In your socialist world there is just one little problem…human nature. Socialism fails every time because the “workers” quickly realize that the “reward” is the same whether or not they work. Communist “workers” fail because they think the next guy will pick up the slack. After all, whether they produce one or 50 doesn’t matter. They still get paid the same. Don’t even try to argue this. Socialist economies fail because of the human tendency towards sloth. Period. However, when one must provide for oneself, without a “safety net”, it overrides these human traits. Produce, or starve. We in America are eyewitness to the beginnings of failure, not from Capitalism, but from the the results of trying to provide “safety nets” and a leveling of the playing field. Starvation and failure are prime motivators for success. Remove those issues and all you have to worry about is how long it will be before you run out of other people’s money.

      • Steve T.

        Wow right out of caveman days. Go back and read the comment, i am in no way advocating socialism. Washington is creating it right before your eyes and you who believe in and support what passes for, or pretends to be entrepreneurship, masked as greed, are the very ones that have allowed this to come to be.
        Socialism fails for the same reason capitalism fails, greed. Even dictatorships and oligarchies fail for one
        reason, greed. When those on top press too hard on the heads of those beneath, there are two options, role over or stand up. But pretending to be “well off” when those above you are sucking you dry, is only self delusion. And the worst form of this delusion is being critical of those who don’t fall in line with the ignorant missed guided philosophies which while you seem to abhor socialism are in fact the socialist principals upon which you seem to function aka. “work will set you free”

        So JEEP are you a line worker with the collar around your neck attached to the chain held by and tugged on by the UAW.

        • Jeep

          Steve, it is possible that I may have misconstrued your meaning. I still infer from your post that you are anti-capitalist. Is it that your meaning is not clear? Or, perhaps my skills are just not up to par with your ability to post? I am a died in the wool, hard core free market capitalist. And, it goes against common sense, common decency and the common good to rail against the system that has served our nation and it’s people for 200+ years. This same economy that has brought our country to a standard of living that is totally unique and far above expectations. But, what you call “greed” may not be as bad as what you make it out to be. Without the desire for “more”, where would we be? You seem convinced that the free market must be controlled. Those “inefficient beasts” that Americans convey themselve about in, are still “innefficient” by whose standards? Yours? The governments? Last time I checked we Americans get about quite well in our SUVs. The “innefficiencies” are a result of no need of change through market forces. Not greed. It is greed that keeps auto makers making the same type cars, people buy them. Yugos failed, not because of mileage, but because noone bought them. The government “bail outs” of automakers artificially replaces free market principles. It circumvents the forces and changes the dynamic that allows a free market to work properly. The greed you are against comes from government regulation that favors failure, not free markets and entrepreneurs.

          These same principles could easily be applied to your other statements as well.

          • Steve T.

            Yes anti capitalist…… in its present form. I am an idealist, i want the best of both worlds. I want the market to be free to choose, free from the power of government to artificially prop up failures. Free from the influences of the other artificial “cling ons” to the economy, like unions, special interest groups, and i want lobbying to be made a criminal offence. On the other side i want workers who give their lives over to a new or old idea to share in the profits, not because they are deserving, but because without them there are no profits. And don’t give me that old line, that by agreeing to work for a wage and benefits is entitlement, their
            reward. The system is broken and needs fixing, and while it may have at various times been a free market system, i say that the present situation speaks volumes how off track it has become.

          • JeffH

            Steve T, could it be that you have bunched the crony-capitalists in with the capitalists? There is quite a difference between the two. You do know this don’t you?

          • Jeep

            Yes, Steve the system is “off track” and broken. It is broken from government regulation and over-reach. From housing and autos to energy and imports, the “free market” is monitored, calculated and regulated to the point of starvation by government “officials” who have no idea what a free market is. In the interest of “fairness” it has become a never ending series of rules that every business has to navigate. But, long ago corporations learned that buying elections and currying favor from politicians can get those rules changed to benefit their companies. And, who cares if the corporation fails? Those same politicians can reach into government coffers and bail them out. That is greed, but if you blame corporations you are wrong. The blame is rests on the makers of laws and rules that benefit them. And, your comment about workers is just plain wrong. A worker does make a compact with the company they work for. Who are you to say it is not fair? Who appointed you judge and jury? In a truly free market it behooves a company to care for its workers. Otherwise they will have no workers. But, in a regulated business environment, business does not have to worry about employees. Competition has already been stifled by regulation and employees have no real options. Your problem is that you believe the government is the answer, all the while ignoring the facts that government is the problem. Have more faith in people, not government.

          • eddie47d

            Love the passion in Steve and Jeep’s comments. Yet jeep says that corporations curry favors …but don’t blame them. Why in the heck not? If you are involved in creating a problem then you at least partially own it. Another minor point is that employers didn’t always care for their workers and treated them as expendable. That did change in the 50′s yet seemed to have returned in 2008. Some Capitalists have lost sight of the greater good and it seems like the fix is in.

          • Jeep

            eddie, you are correct in your assertion that sometimes there is need for intervention. Any short look at history reveals the days (not too long ago) before child labor laws and other worker protections were put into place. I will not argue that point. My sentiment towards not blaming corporations was directed at meaning the government ultimately makes the rules, not corporations.

    • Patty

      Steve T – You are so misguided. How do you pick and chose your words to twist them into your defunked reality? You talk of capital cronyism and bailouts, when in fact, name me one subsidy that is given out where there is no union involved.

      • Steve T.

        if entrepreneurship is working as it ought to, why do we need unions? If the worker is getting a fair deal why does the government have to bail out any business, or regulate industry?

      • Old Henry

        I think he may work for MSNBC Patty…

    • lonetrader

      Steve T. You are talking out your Liberal ass. No person that employs anyone owes them any thing. Not a job. They are paid to what is agreed to. If you don’t like the pay, do not work there. Why don’t you move to a Socialist or communist country where you will be much happier with the Govt there running your life.

      • Steve T.

        I am not advocating more government involvement. I am not a liberal. I am asking you to look at entrepreneurship from a different angle. if what passes for entrepreneurship, concentrates wealth in a few small areas of the economy, requires government intervention to protect workers, necessitates workers join power hungry unions, then i don’t believe its good for the country and it certainly is not to be aspired to or supported , in its present form, especially if the product or service it produces is just shinny ‘wanna be’
        wrapped up in silver package.

    • FreedomFighter

      “From 7 Billion People To 500 Million People – The Sick Population Control Agenda Of The Global Elite”

      http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/from-7-billion-people-to-500-million-people-the-sick-population-control-agenda-of-the-global-elite

      You Stevie probably think you will be one of the 500million slave class because you support the agenda, think again. You are but a usefull tool, duped into the Lucy cult of death.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • DaveH

    A Most Excellent Article, Robert Ringer. Thank you.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    What is the difference between a ” rich entrepeneur” and a ” rich politician”? The entrepeneur provides opportunity for others to survive but the politician provides opportunity for himself/herself at the expense of others. The amount of money one has neither makes one evil nor a saint as does the lack thereof make anyone evil or a saint. There are just evil people around and good people around. Some evil people are rich, others are poor and the exact same applies to the good people. The only difference is that in general poorer people seem to be able to greet one with a smile mostly whilst rich people are very often seen to be aloof and make a distinct effort to indicate their superiority or “upper class” which is quite disturbing to some folks who are in fact not in any way inferior because they are poorer. Perhaps the difference is measured by the way in which the rich react towards others who are less fortunate than they are, in a material world which basically lacks morality in any case. It begs the question – Why are so many rich people so screwed up? Look around and see for yourself. Lots of rich people do not appear to be very well adjusted to me – did money make them like that? Just thinking out loud. I wonder if Bernie Madoff is a happy soul? Was Michael Jackson? The man that works in our garden is a very happy chappie. The difference is that some can never be satisfied whilst others are grateful for life itself and need no riches to enhance the pure joy of living.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Well I have to go back to the old adage, that none of us ever worked for a poor man.__The Liberal idiots that constantly complain about the rich are losing they’re base, so class warfare is the next best thing to push to antagonize, because, it’s already in place(they don’t have to work at dreaming up some other crap to slap them with!
    LEFTIES YA WANNA BE RICH?__GO DO IT!__NONE OF US HERE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING YOU RICH, WORK FOR IT!!! :)

    btw–I do have to applaud the CEO confronting Occupiers about what they think his fair share of taxes he should pay! link below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdLa6c3hN1w

    • Jeep

      Right you are Angel…but, I do think everyone should pay their “fair share” of taxes. Especially the half of the country that pays no taxes.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Jeep, I think the rich do pay they’re fair share, but are unaffected by it, because they are rich.__ Besides with all the loop holes & incentives in the tax code, the rich are the only ones who can afford to hire, high end CPA’s to find them and use them, unless there good friends or family._I can’t really say I blame them!

    • JeffH

      Angel, Peter Schiff was outstanding! I’ve been saving that link for some time now just waiting for the right moment. Good job! :)

      • Angel Wannabe

        JeffH, :)

  • TOCB

    How can so-called conservatives by so dense? No one, or at least very few people are envious of wealthy people. What people are fed up with is a system of government that awards unfair advantages to the wealthy and makes public policy that is rigged to protect and preserve the wealthy and allows money to have too much influence on public policy. To deny this is dishonest.

    • 45caliber

      TOCB:

      It isn’t the conservatives who are dense in this matter. We ALL are against the government helping the rich as you state. The problem is that we want to get the government to stop by taking away their power; you want to give the government more power as if that will make them stop. NO ONE in the government is on the side of the poor. The poor don’t provide them with anything of value to them. Those who argue the loudest about “helping the poor” are actually part of those who want to help themselves and their friends the most.

      There are few if any Democrats in Congress who are not millionares. Most of them became millionares after getting into Congress. The same can be said for those in the GOP. So why do you expect a (multi)millionare to care about someone who had nothing? And why do you expect them to “tax the rich” … when they ARE the rich?

    • eddie47d

      TOCB;Yet they will continue to deny that.

  • Angel Wannabe
  • Boomp

    Everyone talks about the Rich and the Poor and never mentions the middle class. Someone will always covet others “money, success etc” and dwell on their failures. Society places people on a pedistal then then celebrates their downfall. The middle class is what made America great. Everyone succedes at their own level. The Mass of Americas Polititions are really the Culprit. Limit the terms of Congress and the Senate to two terms with NO exceptions! Stagger the terms to prevent stagnation and see what happens. Limit the amount that they can collect as donations and prohibit them from voting for their donators. History talks about Nero Fiddling while Rome Burned, but also shows that Rome lasted as the center of the world for around a thousand years. (980 or so! it was a brutal place)
    We are potentially collapsing in a little over Two Hundred. How Sad!!!

  • http://www.WellSeasonedFool.blogspot.com Frank White

    It goes without saying that from a moral point of view, their position is indefensible. If people are truly free, they should be free to become as wealthy as their talent, creativity and hard work can take them, so long as they do not use force or fraud against anyone else. And, fortunately, we already have more than enough laws on the books to bring to justice those who commit fraud or use uninitiated force against others.

    Goes without saying? This is the crux of our current malaise. Eight years of George W. saw the staffing of the FDIC drop from 6,000 to 2,100. How many other regulators were starved by under or non funding?

  • HarryButtle

    Do scientists disagree about global warming?

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/14/tim-pawlenty/do-scientists-disagree-about-global-warming/

    [T]here is very little dispute in the scientific community, especially among climate specialists, on whether climate change is primarily caused by natural or man-made forces. The overwhelming majority of scientists polled feel that human activity is the primary driver of climate change. Also, based on scientific studies by the IPCC and others, global warming over the past 50 years has been primarily driven by human activity.

    Based upon the preponderance of evidence we conclude that Tim Pawlenty’s claims are both incorrect and misleading to the public, who may not be familiar with the science behind climate change. It is not “fair to say the science is in dispute,” as if there are good arguments on both sides. Rather, there is significant scientific consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. We rate [Pawlenty's] statement False.

  • FreedomFighter

    Good artical Angel:

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” ~Thomas Jefferson

    We have arrived Mr Jefferson

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Angel Wannabe

      FF, Sad but true!

    • eddie47d

      Exactly what Liberals have been saying and apparently since our Founding fathers.

  • DaveH

    Doc says “His MAJOR error is equating entrepreneurship with greed”. What? Where did Ringer equate entrepreneurship with greed?
    Doc says “While a lot of people lost a lot in the market collapse of 2008 not a single law maker or banker was prosecuted for this uninitiated force against others”. Force? Fraud, perhaps, but Force? When did they force anybody to invest with them? Only Government has the power of Force, so why do you advocate Bigger Government, Doc? And the Obama administration bailed out the losers who should have been left to fail with our taxpayer money. Put the blame where it lies, Doc — Big Government.
    Doc says “Mr. Ringer congratulates the rich for creating jobs. It would be great if they did that here in America as opposed to shipping jobs overseas”. The reason they leave this country, Doc, is that you Liberals support Big Government which taxes them, and regulates them to death. Add to that the ridiculous demands of Unions, Unions which by law are allowed to use coercive tactics which the rest of us would be in jail for. Why would any non-masochistic businessman want to stay here and put up with that?

    • libertytrain

      As usual, well said, Dave.

  • Downs1

    This article helps to explain some things that were a bit fuzzy. As I read this, entrepreneurs were “leaders”. They were wise, thoughtful, considerate, principled visionaries and they were fearless. They were everything the Democrat party is not. They were the ones who built this country. The Democrats have benefitted from these people and their high standards, but are too stupid to recognize this truth. Every nation that has participated in class warfare has gone down. please show us one that has not! Wake up America, the clock is ticking and with the idiots currently in power our demise is not far off!

    • FreedomFighter

      Barack Obama’s Allegiance Is Not To America And God, But To The New World Order And Satan

      http://www.infowars.com/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-allegiance-is-not-to-america-and-god-but-to-the-new-world-order-and-satan/

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Tell the truth you really do not believe this

        • FreedomFighter

          Question is why are the leaders of the world at Bohemian Grove sacrificing to Satan?

          You can only go by there own words, actions, and signs. Dont really matter what I believe or you we dont run the country, what do they believe in?

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            So what your saying is that any leader that was associated with Bohemian Grove is or was in league with satin, do I have that correct?

          • FreedomFighter

            No, its what they themselves profess.

            See infowars.com or you tube Alex Jones, he exposes the grove. Yes it is difficult to believe that many in leadership practice satanic belief systems, yet they do.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

  • HarryButtle

    “It goes without saying that from a moral point of view, their position is indefensible. If people are truly free, they should be free to become as wealthy as their talent, creativity and hard work can take them, so long as they do not use force or fraud against anyone else. And, fortunately, we already have more than enough laws on the books to bring to justice those who commit fraud or use uninitiated force against others.”

    One almost expects the GOP’s “job creators” to appear wearing spandex and a cape, but we’ll never know because they’ve been missing in action for ten years now, despite getting every little thing they’ve asked for. I’m sure carjackers would like carjacking laws repealed too, but then carjackers don’t have the private cell numbers of members of Congress on their speed dial. If the point being made in that comment is not intentionally dishonest, then it is delusional.

    • 45caliber

      Keep in mind that the people who get the breaks from the politicians (of both parties) are the huge company CEOs – not the small businessman this article talks about. And many of the breaks these large companies want are those that will cause any small competition to be shut down. These are NOT the people we here are supporting; that’s like saying you are supporting the welfare queens in their goals to get as much money from the government for nothing as they can.

    • DaveH

      Obama has been in office for almost 3 years now, Harry. And the Democrats controlled Congress from 2007 to 2011. Where’s the improvement?
      It’s not GOP or Democrats, it’s Big Government, and until people awake to that fact, it will keep on growing and further subjugating the citizens.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Try reading Retirement Heist

  • Tom

    Two years ago my daughter started her own business in this recession/depression mess. She has, God forgive her, hired somebody to work with her. Then there are the two temporary workers she has hired. Just recently she attended a business retreat for women entrepreneurs. She has proudly said, “I am an entrepreneur!” Ludwig Von Mises and her dad are proud of her.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68
  • http://visioncaterinsn.com JerrI G

    I am one of those entrepreneurs who has risen from the ashes and is full of belief and confidence that independent business ownership works and should be encouraged! Although, I must admit that the road has been arduous and tricky to navigate (no thanks to congress) I am still behind the wheel.

    Responsible for the creation and development of a small catering business, we started on a shoe string, but employed more than a dozen part-time, and as Mr. Ringer so aptly pointed out, utilized the services of food vendors, bakeries, florists, rental companies, and liquor stores. Trucks were bought, advertising was purchased, etc. Management and staff used uniforms, dry cleaners, hair and nail salons. Our impact on the marketplace was clear (to me).

    We survived the recessionary fall-out only to be ravaged by the ‘no net’ effect. I was stricken with near fatal Bacterial Meningitis in 2009, suffered from deafness and other dibilitating side effects, lost the business, my car,my home. I AM your case in point! Where was MY bail-out?

    This year, my entrepreneurial spirit undaunted, I have started anew, it will cost me more this time in staff to overcome my limitations, but I can’t imagine working for someone else in my diminished capacity. I have also founded a non-profit to help those stricken by illness, accident or financial ruin. Folks that need to recover, restore and retain hope will soon be turning to THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE.ORG! I am also writing a book about my experiences.

    I guess it’s that entrepreneurial drive that pushes me forward and the hope that spurs me on. Thanks you for putting it so succinctly! I will be Tweeting this article from the mountain tops! God Bless America..

    • JeffH

      JerrI G, your story is most appreciated and I think it is “your drive” to succeed that obviously motivates you despite the setbacks of your illness and the impediment of big government.

      Best to you in your endeavors.

    • 45caliber

      Jerrl G:

      I hope you make a success of it this time. Good luck!

      I’ve heard that for every job of a business like yours that you direct hire, there are ten jobs that are provided by the people you buy from. So if you have ten employees, count another hundred who owe jobs to you as well.

    • DaveH

      Thank you for your very valuable sharing of your experiences, Jerri.

    • bob wire

      “Thanks you for putting it so succinctly! I will be Tweeting this article from the mountain tops! God Bless America..”

      You are serious? Good god almighty! If you lose your health it makes for seriously bad days.

      Well , I worked with a partner once that explained it this way.

      A business does not have problems until which time the money grows in short supply. It is “then” that the problems set in.

      Today you set at your PC all day and see no problems because your money supply keeps these pesky little problems away.

      Now it might take the postman missing your house for 5 weeks in a row before you start seeing these problems as well.

      And that’s how complicated this vision problem is.

  • 45caliber

    I was talking with a small businessman once about money and risks. He had everything he and his family owned mortgaged to the max. The same for anything like cars, etc. that he could borrow money on. He could lose any or all of it by simply missing a payment. And it wasn’t just his own property he had mortgaged. His parents place was included along with that of a brother. Even then he barely had enough money to start and run his business for a bare year. He was one of the lucky ones; his business prospered. For every one that does, there are several more that fail. He was working as much as 120 hours a week and so was his wife. During the first two or three years, he barely made enough over his payments to have food for the family. He couldn’t buy clothing or anything else at all.

    How many of you who dislikes businesses would be willing to do that?

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      For Two and a half years(2 1/2)I started and was fairly prosperous running a Heating and Air conditioning company.In reality I was a better technician then a businessman so after working 90+ hour weeks.I gave up the dream.The government had nothing to do with the closing of my endeavor but the banks did they give no quarter and deserve the same.

      • DaveH

        Since when do banks owe you anything?

        • bob wire

          There was a time when Banks made money when you did and work as your partner in financial matters. Today, they make money regardless, the more you struggle and fight and fail, the more they make. Your success is no longer a primary concern.

          Slow dimes has been traded for fast nickles, David.

        • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

          The Banks owe me nothing and I owe them nothing I joined a credit union.Bank of America was contemplating a 5 dollar debit card fee there customers said you do it we leave you. the idea was dropped

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Hate to inform you of this but one of the Conservative hero’s Ronald Reagan attended Bohemian Grove meetings.
    One then can only conclude that Reagan’s distrust of government and trickle down economics were the work of satin.

    “FreedomFighter says:
    November 1, 2011 at 12:33 pm
    No, its what they themselves profess.

    See infowars.com or you tube Alex Jones, he exposes the grove. Yes it is difficult to believe that many in leadership practice satanic belief systems, yet they do.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi”

    • FreedomFighter

      Or they had him shot, because he didnt play along with the agenda, went against them, like JFK.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        No more like the shooting was a cover;so satin’s real work and his handyman would not be discovered.

        • FreedomFighter

          I set you on the road, up to you to walk it.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            You do nothing but side step the issue

          • eddie47d

            He must of had brain freeze SGT.

    • DaveH

      Then, you’re for Smaller Government, Sgt?

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        I want to see the government do it’s job.If a branch of the government is not doing it’s job those individuals who are failing to fulfill there obligation to the citizens.Should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.What comes to mind is the SEC which for the last 8 years destroyed all the investigations concerning the banks and wall street.After that branch is running effervescently go to the next branch till the country has what it pays for

  • Awakened

    Bravo, and THANK YOU for shining a spotlight on the TRUE definition of an “entrepreneur!”

  • Capitalist at Birth

    After reading some of the posts here, I am inclined to ask, have any of you ever read “Animal Farm” by George Orwell? If you haven’t I am sorry for you, as you will remain forever ignorant.

    • FreedomFighter

      “Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”–G. Orwell

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Steve

    Exactly Mr. Ringer. You have hit the nail right on the head. This is why China’s 2010 GDP was close to 10% and our own was a measly 1.8% and then readjusted to 1.3%.

    Think about this: the Chinese Communists are acting more like capitalists and succeeding beyond anyone’s wildest belief, beating us at our own game.

    At the same time, we, the Capitalists are embracing socialism-a polite word for Communism-and we are failing both at capitalism and socialism with 1/6 the GDP of China.

    The Harvard, Princeton and Yale Nobel Laureates all refuse to let go of Keynesian – debt funded – economics, while the world swiftly sinks into the worst ever depression in history, because of their failing economic “theories”.

    It’s the old digging a hole with a shovel story about “stop the digging” if you ever want to get out of the hole.

    Someday the world will wise up and declare these Ivy League Professors true IDIOTS and ENEMIES OF THE STATE and have them all stood up against a wall and shot for economic crimes against humanity.

    How I long for that day!!!

  • DaveH

    Yet another transgression by the Obama administration on us, their employers:
    http://gunowners.org/a10312011.htm

    • JeffH

      When the dust settles and all is said and done, Obama is going to make Nixon look like a choir boy.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Jeffh, Yepper!!

      • eddie47d

        Find one more and you will have the 3 sopranos.

      • JeffH

        .. :) That would be 3 sopranos and one idiot… :)

        • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

          Believe that’s 2 by my count

          • JeffH

            sarge, sorry that it went over your head.

            When eddie said “Find one more and you will have the 3 sopranos.”
            That would make it 3 sopranos + 1 idiot(eddie)…get it now?

          • JeffH

            Yep, yer right it should have been 3 sopranos and 2 idiots. :) Just sayin’!

          • eddie47d

            Poor Jeff!

  • Bill Dawson

    The wealthy people are responsible for creating jobs, not the socialist agitators. The only commodities the leftists create are greed, anger, and ignorance.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Job’s were are all the jobs since the first Bush tax cut in 2001 and 2003 stop being a mindless troll. Wealthy people care about only one thing themselves

      • bob wire

        It’s not class warfare if you just lay down a take it and keep quite!

        First they want to take you rights to collectively bargain.

        Then they question your motives for demanding a fair deal!

        This just gets better and better!

        Maybe we could install a ring in everyone nose that feels this way, In that way they could be identified on sight. We could forgo the formalities of determining who has a keeper and if they are where they should be or just wandered off somewhere and getting into trouble.

  • 45caliber

    Probably the biggest problem I have with these elites who want to reduce the population levels is that they want to retain ONLY THOSE WHO BENEFIT THEM PERSONALLY.

    In other words, if you don’t produce something they want, you should be eliminated.

    Their gall to assume that THEY are the only ones who must be protected and allowed to live is amazing to me.

    Further, who are the most useless to these people? The inhabitants of the third world countries – and all those on welfare who produce nothing even for themselves. (And yet, those same people are the ones who actively support these elites!)

  • FreedomFighter

    Sheriff: Time For Citizens To Arm Themselves

    Sheriff Chuck Wright Doesn’t Hold Back

    Read more: http://www.wyff4.com/news/29638219/detail.html#ixzz1cTvdwPwz

    Support your local gunshop.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      What ?

  • iam

    Too many people are missing the point about Wal-Mart. They force people to shop there. They force people to buy things they don’t want. If you were to refuse to shop there, Wal-Mart would send you to prison and strip you of all you own.

    No, wait . . . it’s the government that does that.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Wal-Mart along with there Chi-Com allie destroyed American manufacturing and then small mom and pop businesses. With the Chi-com wage support.Not sure were you live but my government has never sent me to prison or stripped me of anything.Government has never do that to you ether

      • iam

        SMSgt Z, you are wrong! Just the latest example: the Illinois government has been attacking me for the past year, demanding that I pay extortion for wages I earned a year BEFORE I came to Illinois. I have told them repeatedly that I neither lived nor worked in Illinois in 2005, but without any proof to support their position, they have issued an Order of Disposition, and now a Notice of Collection. They are determined to steal everything they can grab, even though they have STILL not presented any “proof” that they have a legitimate claim. You need to open your eyes and see reality. The government is nothing but criminals, and ordinary people have no recourse when the government attacks.

      • iam

        SMSgt Z retired Nam 68, you are either lucky or delusional. The government of Illinois is running an extortion scam against me right now. They are demanding that I pay them extortion for wages I earned a year before I came to Illinois, and they have ignored everything I have told them. They issued an Order of Disposition, accusing me of defaulting, followed by a Notice of Collection, which means they are going to impound my bank account and break into my home to steal anything the can lay their filthy hands on. Unlike you, I do not make things up.

  • Mad Max

    Don’t be Afraid!

    “THE REVOLUTION HAS STARTED” -

    U.S. Citizens
    Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

    Non U.S. Citizens
    Read “The OsiXs” at ( http://www.SaveTheWorldNow.osixs.org )

    “Spread the News”

    • Lost in Paradise

      Mad is the correct term for you, or an insane communist would be more like it. This group you seem to be impressed with, wants to turn America into another commy country. NOt socialist,but communism. You want to destroy the very document that allows you to remove a government through the people. Then once you are done, the “PEOPLE” will never again have a say. Our constitution, and bill of rights are everything the rest of the world despise’s and hates. We are at a time in our history that our fore fathers new would come.

      I’am willing to die fighting anyone who would eliminate or modify our Consititution. We have a good document there, and if the “PEOPLE” would force those in office to abide by it our problems would be very few, other than to defend ourselves against those that would take it all from us, as they are now trying to do.

  • brian

    Mr Ringer, I am afraid you do not get it. You are the equal of occupy wall st.
    I am a liberal and I find the salaries that executives get for failed companies is appalling. These guys are not entrepreneurs, they are criminals. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Henry Ford, Edison etc THESE are entrepreneurs. Stop writing crap and nail the facts for once you moron.

    • Liztalk

      AMEN. ‘Some’ people don’t get it. Or pretend they don’t because then they’d have to admit they’re in with the 1% and don’t want to lose their UNFAIR privileges.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      outstanding

  • Liztalk

    It’s UNFAIRNESS in the financial and economic SYSTEM that some are protesting, NOT entreprenuers!!!

    I consider myself a leftie, a liberal, a progressive…. I admire entrepreneurs and recognize what they risk. I have no problem with rich people. What is UNFAIR and what the OCCUPIERS and the 99% are PROTESTING – is that many rich people and corporations pay A 0% TAX RATE on their income: NOTHING – OR up to ONLY 15% tax – or even get millions in tax REBATES, WHILE the average middle class person pays 29% to 35% tax on their income. This is the inequity that gets us riled up.

    ALSO – What the Occupiers are protesting is WHILE Corporations and Hedge Fund Managers get all the privileges of tax loopholes and lobby politicians passing laws to their profit – these companies do NOT create more jobs – INSTEAD they send their company offshoots to China and the Chinese get the jobs – or they raise stockholders and CEOs pay to the billions, WHILE middle class nurses and teachers and fire fighters and police officers and military retirees are told they have to CUT PENSIONS and do without health care benefits.

    SO it is NOT the RICH that the protesters are protesting, or the fact that rich people exist – RATHER – it is the corruption and unfairness which has formed between the rich, the big corporations and the U.S. and state governments.

    If SOME can’t see this, I suspect they are making LOTS of profit from the system as it is, which benefits the wealthy in greater degree than it does anything for the poor or middle class – AND these fat cats are trying to not lose their UNFAIR perks and privileges.

    Or maybe those who can’t see are just clueless folks who hate liberals no matter what — and they’ll accuse them of whatever serves their selfish purpose – or political agenda.

    Those who spout this nonsense about liberals hating the rich are usually the greedy moneychangers and ultra-super-rich who just want MORE wealth – and want to have special privileges at the expense of everyone else – and THEY, the 1% are the ones doing class warfare. They accuse the middle class of ‘class warfare’ just when the middle class finally speaks up to say, ‘that’s unfair!’ That’s like beating someone up and saying they’re crying the victim card when they say ‘I’m hurting.’

    The 99% are protesting our state in the U.S. of PLUTOCRACY –which is Government run by the wealthy. The Super wealthy have too much sway over government and use their influence in wealth to support politicians who then set the agendas to benefit the wealthy.

    OPEN your eyes – the unfairness is right in front of you. And most entrepreneurs are part of the 99%.

  • bob wire

    Ringer say.”But what about someone who spends hundreds of millions of dollars indulging himself in such luxuries as mansions, private jets and yachts? It doesn’t take a Ludwig von Mises to explain that workers are needed to build those mansions, private jets and yachts, not to mention to produce the materials and thousands of parts and accessories that go into them. Then, once built, it takes people to operate and service those mansions, private jets and yachts — which means long-term employment.”

    Yea! we could all be house boys or gardeners or maybe drivers! oooo!

    I use to work aboard ship with a handsome senor Mexican man named “Joe”. After 30 days at sea on a tiny 150 ft boat with only 4 people aboard, you talk about things, all kinds of things. Joe dreamed of one day going to New York and becoming a “door man”, so it was he got the name “Doorman Joe”. He liked the uniforms and greeting all the people it seems.

    I never understood his dream nor would I understand why someone might aspire to such a job. It was a Bubba Gump moment.

    Doorman Joe? he never made it to New York but we let he open hatch doors for us aboard ship and the bait house and the grocery store when we tie off,~ wherever it might be. The least we could do.

    • Vicki

      Bob Wire writes:
      “Yea! we could all be house boys or gardeners or maybe drivers! oooo! ”

      Beats starving while you are improving your education so you don’t have to be on welfare.

  • Thinking About

    Ringer, I do not have a problem with entrepeurs and really don’t care how much money they make or collect. What I have a problem with is executives sitting on boards and voting on the “good boy circuit” outrageous pay raises and then to report “it’s not my fault the board voted the raise”. Alexander Graham Bell was an entrepeur not the executives are not entrepeurs.

  • Alex

    the economy is TANKING

    DOW Jones Falls Over 300 Points Amid Greece Crisis
    http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/01/dow-falls-over-300/

  • Heyzoose

    Jesus wants us all to play nice and all to have more than enough. “all” Just think if the greedy and the hard working and the lazy all had name tags expressing such to all.

  • da

    Your piece is so full of lies and unnecessary name calling it overshadows any valid points you might accidentally make along with the mostly incoherent babble.
    When I was well off I was proud to pay greater taxes to help support and improve the society that made my success possible. And if you ask any of the entrepreneurs referenced above they will echo my feelings.
    Nobody is vilifying the rich, but thinking people do recognize extremists like you who will stop at nothing to advance their own cruel and unwanted agenda. Unwanted by the very people who’s names you use without permission
    Your self-serving twisted logic points to a moral corruption you should be too ashamed to display for all the world to see. But for some reason that particular neural pathway is missing this year.

    • Lost in Paradise

      I think you have missed something!

    • Lost in Paradise

      What institution are you locked up in? Do they allow you to use the computor often? Hopefully not too often. Please take you meds that they gave you.

    • Vicki

      da writes:
      “Nobody is vilifying the rich,”

      dear da. here is a free clue for you. if you need more just ask. There are many many more clues lying around the internet.

      http://cjonline.com/opinion/2011-10-05/letter-wrong-villify-wealthy

      da writes:
      “When I was well off I was proud to pay greater taxes to help support and improve the society that made my success possible.”

      And nothing is stopping you now from paying greater taxes. Feel free to write extra checks to the government. However had you saved and invested that money instead of giving it away to the government you would STILL BE well off from the wealth created by those investments.

      Or at least you would have had the opportunity.

    • Dave

      This is a weak opinion, because MR Ringer offers no facts to back up his argument.

  • Lost in Paradise

    Unions, and Big government is what you all need to be worried about, and not the rich. Eliminate these two, and we WILL once again prosper.

    Now even more dangerous, is a group that wants to use provisions in the Constitution to remove the existing government, and then tear up the U.S. Constitution and write a modern one to meet our times as the old one and its ideas have been in use for over 400 years.????? Ah yes ya gotta like them liberals, progressives, and communists.

  • James

    Global warming has been going on for thousands of years, and man’s contribution to it is minimal. North America and the Aleutian islands was once nearly covered with ice. A few years back some deep-sea divers, off the southeast coast of India, found the remains of an old temple that was 250′ under water. The island there was once connected to the mainland by a peninsula. two-hundred and fifty feet of water, over 2/3 of the earth’s surface is a lot of ice melt-off. And that’s still going on today. greenland is losing its ice cover. Off the southeast coast of South America, there are paved roads leading out into what was once above water. We have been in a global warming trend for about 14,000 years, refusing to recognize that is silly.

  • Susan

    I am all for entreprenueurs who start a business or promote a product. But other than the techno field the only creations are ways to separate people from their money ie:banks and mortgage companies getting homeowners to “refi” for a hefty commissions, with the insurance companies, people piggy backing services for internet making themselves a “middle man” where none was needed, the processed foods industry getting fat at the cost of our health. I could go on and on. The sad thing is people believe the lies.

  • http://www.aaronstonemd.com aaron

    Part of the problem are these academic, pencil pushing, near sighted economists employed by the government to create social re-engineering policies and a never ending stacking of subcontractor on top of subcontractor, a symptom of a love affair with super-specialization. OPEC should be the only ones really producing oil in great amounts because it is so easy to get it out of the ground in those countries. The US should be the only ones to have googles, facebooks and apples. We see this all around us and it is happening at an ever increasing rate.

    In the 80s through the 90s they started going after healthcare with DRG’s HMOs and the alphabet soup of healthcare. They dismantled the healthcare we had until most of the healthcare dollar is gone into the hands of subcontractors such as Medicare advantage before anything gets to the actual deliverer of the care at the bottom. It has gotten to the point where there is no money left at the bottom to deliver that care. Now the doctors can no longer have independent practices and have to work as employees for hospital or insurance entities to survive. The few remaining independent doctors have bunched up 3 to 10 per office and still cannot afford to keep the support staff that they each used to have in their offices (nurses, office managers, receptionists, lab technicians etc.). In the past each of your local doctors hired support staff and kept most employed for the length of their carriers. How much do you think that collectively adds to the unemployment numbers?

    The same thing happened in Iraq with power and the subcontractor on top of subcontractor who took money out so the guy at the bottom did not even have enough money to operate a generator much less get a new one. As a result Baghdad only had electricity a few hours a day at the time. Something hard to believe in a country so rich in oil. Now that the US is out of there the stacking of subcontractors is out as well.

    At its core this is a very anti-small business approach to the economy. The US government policies from city through state and federal have fallen for this approach. They favor the googles, facebooks, walmarts, entity employed physicians etc. The problem is these entities employ less people per dollar of revenue. Just go visit Vancouver, Montreal, Bangkok, Sao Paulo, Hong Kong etc. and you will see small mom and pop businesses wherever you see lots of people walking around. Then look at Times Square, South Beach Miami, Universal CityWalk Los Angeles etc where you see a lot fewer small business shops or non-brand name stores.

    This approach also just milks the little guy for cash at a constant and increasing rate and also slows the adaptation of new technology and products. The internet basically started in the US and in the end will help to bury it. Other countries who are not anti-small business have begun to advance pass the US and we cannot even keep even with the trail of dust behind them. Just look at the slower adoption/penetration of high speed internet and advanced cellular phone access in the US vs. other countries.

    Obama and the other lunatics running the insane asylum think that devaluing the dollar will allow them to maintain the status quo and increase employment through exports. That will never happen as the system is counter competitive in a global economy. For example in China the workers live in dormitory facilities, get their food subsidized or free and only go on grouped worker vacations in return for lower salaries and escape from the countryside. The US can never compete with that. In the end they will just turn the US into a third world economy, drive everyone else into the arms of the Chinese and make the US completely irrelevant in the global economy. Just think about how actively the Canadians are unlinking their economy from the US economy to stop the spread of real estate devaluation etc. Unless their are some drastic changes soon the story is already over, game finished. 4 more years of Obama or Gingrich will definitely help the situation.

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