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Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • independent thinker

    Another excellent commentary Ben.

  • dan

    ALWAYS a great-8 and then some….jocular jocularity :)

    Funny how politicians and the religion of peace are like dog doo on your shoe

  • Amber

    As usual Ben, you nailed it.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    The picture behind you Ben, portrays the New Statists/Collectivists albeit of an alien/foreign variety in Jolly Olde England who are/will be using the meat cleaver and knives (since guns are forbidden in England) to force Sharia.

  • WTS/JAY

    Where is the outrage from the progressive-liberals who slam Christianity at every turn, yet, not a peep from them with respect to Islam and Muslims. Doesn’t Islam represent everything liberals love to hate? Islam degrades women. It assigns women subservient social roles. It condemns “homosexuals/homosexuality” and other “sexually deviant” practices. It has given rise to numerous violent extremist movements, and, even more alarming, a considerable percentage of Muslims seem to be supportive of them. Nothing of sorts, or remotely comparable has been seen from Christians or Jews in the “modern era”. So it seems liberals should despise Islam, but instead, they love it. They are smitten by it! They love to defend it, labelling it the “religion of peace”, and they go out of their way to champion the rights of Muslims to religious freedom. Could it be that liberals love Islam because it represents their idea of what religion is supposed to be?

    Muslims are anything but luke-warm. Muslims take a markedly fideist approach to their faith, meaning; that they don’t expect that rational evaluation should yield greater insight into its teachings. They argue that the Koran should be followed because it is God’s word; to expect more understanding than that is folly and even possibly a sacrilege to Muslims. Islamic resistance to textual analysis of the Koran is strictly-forbiden . And it’s also true that Islam has many, many concrete rules, and, unlike Christianity, it has little flexibility for adapting to different political systems.

    Muslims, as should be apparent to even the casual observer, are far more concerned about “external-actions” than they are about internal spiritual-states. Christian and Jewish attention to virtue seems strange to them. According to a considerable number of Muslims interviewed, Muslim consider Christian’s focus on thought and feeling to be alarming! They don’t want God looking into their head and heart all the time. If they do what they are instructed to do, that should be enough. Their thoughts should be their own. They are horrified by my admission that evil thoughts might be the sort of thing a Christian would feel moved to report to his/her clergy. This is and interesting and revealing of differences between the religiosity of Christians and that of Muslims.

    Additionally, Muslims expect to be rewarded or punished for their religious practice in fairly external and obvious ways. “Carrots on a stick”” are very central to the Islamic understanding of obedience and submission to God. The pleasures of “Islamic-Heaven” seem to be straight-forwardly sensual. And even thought Muslims find the Christian view of the after-life, in that, it is a blissful and a forever union with God appealing, nevertheless, they want something a little more tangible, like a harem of virgins…even though the Bible clearly states that; “in Heaven, they neither marry or are given in marriage”. You see, Islam offers very little resources, if any, for finding redemptive value in poverty or suffering. So in truth, and understandably, that the rage of the present Muslim world is partly related to this “defect” in “Islamic-spirituality”. Their “faith” gives them no “constructive-paradigm” through which to view their own material and “political-struggles”. It makes no-sense to them that the West should prosper while they, the practitioners of the true-faith, languish under poor and “corrupt-Islamic-regimes”. So, and as a way to rationalize for their violent jihads, they argue; “how could God not enable the true faith to prosper? If only we had the will to fight, God would necessarily hand us the victory”. This is the nature and picture of “Islam” that people in the West need to understand and take a hold of. It is a fideist, rule-oriented, and focused on the material advantages that God has promised to those who obey without question. Hmm, doesn’t this sound like the liberal-vision of what religion should be?

    • Karolyn

      Islam should not be typified by extremists, just like Christianity should not be typified by the Westboro Baptists Church.

      • Bob666

        Amen!

      • WTS/JAY

        Not exactly a fair comparison, Karolyn. As even the most radical of the “religious-element” in the West does not engage in the butchering of anyone who disagrees with their religion/beliefs as the radical-fringe of Islam does. Btw, the so-called Westboro church did not engage in acts of butchering or terrorism, as is typical of Islamist-radicals, but rather, in exercising their right to freedom of speech! No one was blown to bits, and no one was butchered with a meat-cleaver and butcher knife in broad-daylight. A considerable difference, wouldn’t you say?

        • Karolyn

          Yes, but, once again, extremists are extremists. Although the people of the WBC would say they are not; they really are operating out of hate and also what they BELIEVE God wants.

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn: Although the people of the WBC would say they are not; they really are operating out of hate and also what they BELIEVE God wants.

            But they are not “butchering” people and blowing chit up, are they?

          • Karolyn

            Always the all-encompassing “they.”

          • Ringgo1

            What’s the matter. Karolyn? Why don’t you answer the question? “But they are not ‘butchering’ people and blowing chit up, are they?” Answer the question.

          • Karolyn

            Duh! I did acquiesce on that Ringgo. My point is, and has always been, that it is the extremists in ANY ideology who are the ones that are wrong. KKK anyone? I know, fortunately, the KKK has gotten wise and knows they can’t get away with their former tactics, but I would bet there are many who would just love to be back in “them ole hangin’ days.” I certainly do not condone terrorist tactics from Muslims, but I do not accuse ALL Muslims of being evil. The majority are just human beings wanting the same things all human beings want.

          • Ringgo1

            You do know that the KKK was started by democrats, right? Do you know ‘the majority” of muslims?

          • Karolyn

            Actually, I don’t care who started the KKK. Do you know the majority of Muslims? All Muslims are human beings. Why would they want anything different than any other human being? Have you ever met a Muslim? Talked to one? Even listened to interviews of them? If they had to base their feelings on what is written on sites like this, one couldn’t blame them if they did hate Americans. However, by and large, they do not, especially American Muslims.

          • Ringgo1

            Very interesting. YOU bring up the KKK in an attempt to bash conservatives, but when confronted with their origin, you “don’t care”. So, you will use anything, however incorrectly, to further your agenda. Typical.

            I met my first muslim during college in 1974. We spent many, many hours discussing religion, politics, culture, etc., in each others homes. Very enlightening. I have known muslims from Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, and Iran. We had some good times together, but, on the subject of religion, they were ALL rigid and inflexible in their belief that islam should and will rule the world, no matter how many must be killed to make it so; this would include you, Karolyn. I have read most of all four authorized versions of the Quran. Have you? It supports and directs muslims in their hate and intolerance for “infidels”.

            I see “American Muslims” through my work, daily. Of them all, one, and only one, rejects their culture of death and destruction. That one is a woman, Karolyn. She is so disillusioned that she refuses to speak Arabic with me.

            I am certain that my post to you will make no difference in your beliefs. Maybe if you sincerely educate yourself you will see the truth.

            Best regards from an American Veteran.

          • Karolyn

            I was not aware I was bashing conservatives. Actually, I bash extremists. Of course, I will take into account what you have posted. I do not summarily discount information just because of who it comes from like many people do. I am all about learning, growing and changing, contrary to what so many would assume. One thing I might point out is that doesn’t anybody believe that their ideology is the best and everybody should be that way? haven’t Christians been preaching and promoting to spread what they believe is the only way? And don’t jump on the fact that Christians don’t commit atrocities like Muslim EXTREMISTS do. I am well aware. As far as the Muslims you have known, do you think they would blow people up and commit other terrorist acts?
            I did listen to an interview last year of a journalist who had spent many years in the Mideast. I don’t remember where she had spent most of that time, but she said that in the region there were many younger Muslims who wanted more moderation in their religion, more westernization of their country and democracy.

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn: haven’t Christians been preaching and promoting to spread what they believe is the only way?

            Yes, Christians preach that theirs is the only way. However, they will not gut you like a pig if you disagree and choose not to follow. The same cannot be said of Muslims. Btw, the only place a so-called moderate-muslim can exist and not fear for his life is in a environment or country where Islam doesn’t completely dominate. In an environment or country where Islam dominates, a moderate-muslim, is a dead, moderate-muslim!

            Karolyn: And don’t jump on the fact that Christians don’t commit atrocities like Muslim EXTREMISTS do.

            Enlighten us, Karolyn. What Christian-atrocities do you speak of? Don’t tell me you are going to bring up the “crusade” nonsense again, are you?

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn: Do you know the majority of Muslims? All Muslims are human beings.

            Yes, all Muslims are human beings. But all Muslims follow Islam, which is a religion not fit for animals, much less human-beings. Study the Quran, Karolyn, and be very thankful you are not a muslim-woman!

          • Bob666

            Yo Ringgo
            Do you know ‘the majority” of muslims?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Do you? I’ll bet I know more than you, but the muslims I met have benn 50/50. 50% good and 50% bad. The bad ones we hear about on the news. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Being a Christian is a character which I prize far above all this world has or can boast.”
            Patrick Henry
            A. G. Arnold, The Life of Patrick Henry of Virginia.
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            So Sammy,
            You just admitted that at least half of Muslims are decent people? Just imagine what the percentage that might be different if you were not in their country with a gun in your hand?

            Omar Nelson Bradley,
            American General, chairman – joint chiefs of staff. West Point.
            Lodge No. 877, Highland Falls, New York State.

          • Ringgo1

            Samurai, “Bob666″ is obviously just another asshat troll spewing the party line, and only here to distract and deflect. I enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work, my brother.

          • Bob666

            Yo Ringgo,

            Now that was funny.

            Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what “Party Line” I am here to support? My post, like yours are my opinion-nothing else.
            Anyone who would make such a post is obviously ill-informed and want’s to believe the fringe web sites based on intent and agenda over facts.

            I believe that your mired of post says it all.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Thanks and same to you. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • JeffH

            Ringgo1, despite 666 claiming to be a “Libertarian” I’m more inclined to believe he is a “moderate” liberal with a bit of a lean to the left…he’s certainly not a Libertarian and he’s “not” a straight up progressive…although there are times when I have to rethink about that.

          • Bob666

            OK Jeffery,
            I really can’t wait to hear your “logic” on this one…….

          • JeffH

            I had to edit my statement…I don’t believe you’re a straight up progressive but…you’re not a Libertarian either despite what you claim. The proof is in a good majority of your posts.
            FYI, It’s Jeffrey.

          • Bob666

            Well Jeffrey,

            I guess that Merriam Webster would diasgree with you:

            Definition of LIBERTARIAN

            1) an advocate of the doctrine of free will.

            2) a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty especially of thought and action

            Capitalized: a member of a political party advocating libertarian principles

            Wikipedia (not my favorite source) does not agree with you:

            Libertarianism (Latin: liber, “free”) is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association. It is the antonym to authoritarianism. Libertarians advocate a society with a greatly reduced state or no state at all.

            These two definitions pretty much fit my views of life far better than any that I have found. The only exception that I take is “no state”, as there has to be some form of government-I would just like it to be 1/5 the size that it currently is.

            Where I believe that people like you have a problem with me is; I don’t subscribe to the paranoia and conspiracy theories that people on this web site eat up
            and get mired in.

            I also tend to deal with facts and make statements of fact and that does not always mean that I like or agree with those facts.

            An example would be; Hillary Clinton. Unless there is a major skeleton found in her closet, if she decides to run in 2016, I believe that she will be #45. Does that mean that I like her or will vote for her-no. But I deal with facts and the fact is, there is no one in the GOP who can take her on and yes, things can change in three years.

            As far as a Progressivism, “a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform”, Modern
            Progressivism emerged as part of a more general response to the vast social changes brought by industrialization”?

            No, I don’t think so. Being a member of the Center on Global Sustainable Capitalism, I am a big believer in the concept of a free market. But I also believe that a limited government needs to have some minimal
            form of regulation on the free market as history has proven that economic might does not always operate in the best interest of the average citizen.

            Where you and I have butted heads in the past is over the second amendment and how it is interpreted. Personally, I don’t have the right to tell you if you can or can’t own a gun. But you don’t have the right to tell one of my daughters what they can or can’t do with their reproductive choices.

            Freedoms carry cost and the cost for gun ownership means there will be unnecessary gun death and freedom of reproductive choice means there will be abortion and that does not mean that I am pro-abortion.

            Now, that being said, just as there are people who are anti-choice and they exercise their political power. I also accept the fact that our society is going to make an effort to amend the second amendment at some point just as they did with granting equal rights and giving women the right to vote. By the way, when that happens, I do not believe the intention will be to take away your guns, but alter the types of guns that people can have. Again, just because I see this trend does not mean that I support it, but I have long believed that you can’t solve a problem until you fully recognize the problem.

            For what it is worth, you gained a few points with me this week on religion. I also believe that religion is a very personal choice and a freedom of choice. I don’t care if you have a pile of rocks in your back yard with a head of lettuce that you call Ralph as your spiritual power.

            I will protect and defend your right to worship Ralph if Ralph is where you place your faith. All I ask is; keep Ralph to your-self and respect that I have Fred in my back yard.

          • JeffH

            666, you probably didn’t notice but I made an edit to my original post…I mean’t to say that you are not a progressive…which I have come to realize over time.

            I don’t really care what Merriam-Webster defines and I’m not here to make points with you or anyone else.

            Here’s my source and how I define Libertarians.
            http://www.lp.org/platform

            I just call ‘em as I see ‘em.

          • Bob666

            Well Jeffrey,
            My wife and I looked at the web site and she said that 1.0 through 3.7 firs me like a glove.

            She knows me far better than you do.

          • JeffH

            Perhaps it’s your method of delivery that betrays you because you most certainly don’t convey Libertarianism in many of your comments.

          • Bob666

            Pehaps you missed my point on how I comment on facts, real vs precieved.

          • JeffH

            Nope!
            If it walks like a duck and quacks…it must be one.

          • Bob666

            So a guy who is not a libertarian is going to judge if I am a real Libertarian?

            You do see the irony in this don’t you?

          • JeffH

            That’s exactly right! No irony in it at all!

            Just because I don’t claim to be a Libertarian does not mean I don’t know or understand what it takes to be a Libertarian. It’s not rocket science and it’s my opinion that you ain’t no Libertarian.

            I just call ‘em as I see ‘em.

          • Bob666

            Well Jeffrey,
            I guess the Irony is; that it is a good thing that I don’t live for your approval.

          • JeffH

            Woo hoo!

          • Ringgo1

            Yo Boob. I have known many muslims. See my reply to Karolyn.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            The Muslims are “they” unless there exists a specific directory of all Muslims and then you will have a ready access to whomsoevers.

          • Jana

            WND EXCLUSIVE
            ‘Youth rioting’ in Sweden? It’s the Muslims, stupid

            In Stockholm, the rioting in recent days has centered on Husby, a low-income suburb of Stockholm with some 12,000 residents.
            Approximately 80 percent are first- or second-generation Muslim immigrants from Turkey, the Middle East and Somalia.

            Swedish police estimated that about 200 Muslim youths were responsible for the violence last week that set hundreds of cars and several buildings on fire with Molotov cocktails, including a parking garage fire that forced the evacuation of residents of an adjacent
            apartment block.

            After setting cars on fire, masked Muslim youths waited to pelt with rocks any police responding to calls.

            Husby residents claimed the violence was in retaliation for the police shooting death May 13 of a 69-year-old man. The police claim they were acting in self-defense, shooting the man after he attacked police with a machete when they broke down the door to an apartment where the man had locked himself up with the woman.

        • Jeff

          Exactly. We ignore those parts of the Bible that clearly prescribe methods we find abhorrent in the modern world. I believe the vast majority of Muslims feel the same way about the Koran. The problem is that at the present time, the most radical elements are like the Mafia used to be in Italian communities. The vast majority.may despise them, but given the choice between their own devil and a foreign devil (i.e. western invaders), they’ll choose the devil they know.

          There are a billion Muslims in the world. They’re not all our enemies by any stretch, but rhetoric like yours tends to paint them as such. They’re not going away, and you’re not going to turn them into Episcopalians, so it is counterproductive to keep emphasizing all their flaws. What we need to do is support and encourage the moderate, business elements in the Muslim World to take on and defeat the radicals. If I knew precisely how to accomplish that, I wouldn’t waste my time on these blogs, but that is what we should be discussing.

          • Karolyn

            Very good points, Jeff. The Old Testament has much in it that is offensive in today’s world, and those edicts are ignored because of the New Testament. However, there still are people who believe in a lot of what is written in the New Testament. It seems as though many people, Muslim and Christian, pick and choose what works for them.

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn: Very good points, Jeff. The Old Testament has much in it that is offensive in today’s world, and those edicts are ignored because of the New Testament.

            What is so offensive about the old-Testament, Karolyn? Pray tell…

          • Jana

            The only reason the Old Testament is offensive to some is they do not know how to Correctly interpret the scriptures for lack of a better way to phrase it. Some of the O T. is not to be used today but some is. We have to know the difference between the mandates, the Laws, the Commandments and the Statutes.

            Some of the Laws have been fulfilled through Christ, and some have never changed at all. Studying the Word is the only way to know which is which.

            A lot of people believe the OT is not important any more. They are so very wrong. The minor prophets are like reading tomorrows newspapers. Parts of Daniel is like an overlay of the Book of Revelation. The OT bears witness to the NT.

            Ok I will stop now. I could go on and on but I am preaching to the choir I know. LOL.
            Smiles

          • Katrael

            Hey Karolyn, here’s a quote by the Messiah from the New Testament: Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.1 Footnote: 1Lk. 16:17.
            Looks like the old testament laws are still in effect: things like: death for having sex with animals, sex between men, adultery, murder, incorrigible children and other things you might find offensive. It looks as if you don’t know what it truly says in the NT. If you’ll notice Jesus never said that it was wrong to stone the adulteress to death he just demanded that the person who was without sin should be the first to cast stones. Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And having set her in the midst,
            Joh 8:4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
            Joh 8:5 “And in the Torah Mosheh commanded us that such should be stoned. What then do You say?”
            Joh 8:6 And this they said, trying Him, so that they might accuse Him. But יהושע, bending down, wrote on the ground with the finger, as though He did not hear.
            Joh 8:7 But as they kept on questioning Him, He straightened up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
            Joh 8:8 And bending down again, He wrote on the ground.
            Joh 8:9 And when they heard it, being reproved by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the older ones until the last. And יהושע was left alone, and the woman standing in the middle.
            Joh 8:10 And יהושע, straightening up and seeing no one but the woman, said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Did no one condemn you?”
            Joh 8:11 And she said, “No one, Master.” And יהושע said to her, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.”1 Footnote: 1See also John 5:14, Rom. 6:16-20, 1 Cor. 15:34, 1 Peter 2:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 1 John 3:4-10, 1 John 5:18.

            Notice that he also instructed her to go and sin no more. Why? Because it will lead to their death.
            The truth is that people will die for what they do…maybe not in this life, because we all will die, but after the resurrection people will be judged for what they did in this life with a possible real death sentence: Rev 21:8 “But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

            The first death we all go through, but it’s the second death that we don’t want to experience….maybe.

          • Jana

            That was beautiful, thank you. Yes, we all go to heaven to be judged. Some of us will be judged for our sins, and some of us will be judged and receive our rewards.
            The Joh should read John.
            As YHVH was bending down writing with his finger, did you ever wonder what He was writing? Did you notice the Word says they left one by one? I have wondered if He wasn’t writing their names (as He knew their names) and as He wrote their names He also wrote what they had been doing that wasn’t so sinless, too. That also could have helped REPROVE their conscience. Just a thought.

          • Katrael

            Jana, yes I’ve wondered about what he was writing down. I personally believe he was writing down what the woman’s accusers were guilty of to remind them of their hypocrisy.

            The abbreviation used at the beginning of my quote comes directly from Esword as they abbreviate it. I simply copy and paste. I love that program as it’s free and you can download many versions of the Bible including Strong’s which includes definitions from Strong’s Concordance.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Possibly a name of a woman, possibly a business transaction, secret sin, attitude.

          • Katrael

            Nadzieja Batki, all very strong possibilities. Anybody’s guess is as good as mine. Thank You.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            I always thought that the woman and her supposed accusers were in on this interaction to trap Christ. One of the accusers was possibly her “/john/benefactor/lover”.

          • Katrael

            Nadzieja Batki, your contention that the woman was in on a conspiracy to trap the Messiah could be possible if not for this:

            Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And having set her in the midst,
            Joh 8:4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The Scriptures 1998

            Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
            Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. KJV

            Both versions agree that this woman was indeed guilty of what she was accused of because it declares that she had been caught in the act which she didn’t deny. There indeed was a conspiracy thought and an intention beyond punishing this woman for what she had done.

            BTW, I find your posts to be very much on target and I enjoy reading them along with those of WTS/JAY, samurai, JeffH,
            Jana, FreedomFighter, and many other patriots who post here who wish to preserve this country in the way that it was originally intended to be.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Thank you. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Rendering thanks to my Creator, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.”
            Rev. John Dickinson
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Katrael

            Thank You samurai and you’re welcome. I will keep up the fight as I know you will.

          • Jana

            Hey, thanks for sharing that site. I have all of these in books and some programs in my computer, but the books are so heavy and cumbersome.

            Seems like we are of one mind in many things. I am so glad you are on here.

          • Katrael

            You’re welcome and Thank You. I’m glad that I’m here and it’s comforting to see that there are so many who have like minds.

            http://www.e-sword.net
            I should have included a link for Esword but I’m a little slow sometimes, I like the ability to flip through the different versions and to do searches by key words. It’s easiest for me to do searches in the King James Version as I know many of those scriptures pretty much by heart. I also like the KJV with Strong’s because you can simply put your cursor on the number following the word and the definition pops up or you can switch to the version without Strong’s when it gets cumbersome to read the other. Anyway I like it. Be well and prosper

          • Jana

            The KJV is the one I use the most too, for the very same reason. I have two Strong’s Concordances and a Smith’s Bible Dictionary as well as a Wycliffe Bible Dictionary. I do not have scriptures memorized, but know enough to find them esp. using my concordance.
            I love finding the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic definitions of the words in the Bible as it just expounds on the meaning and opens it up so much.
            Smiles & Blessings

          • Katrael

            Thank You. I’ve been studying Hebrew for the last five years and that’s been a real eye opener. I use BDB a lot also. Be well and prosper.

          • Jana

            Am not familiar with BDB???

            That is wonderful that you are learning Hebrew. I salute you my sister.

          • Katrael

            Brown Drivers Briggs Hebrew English Lexicon. It uses Strong’s numbers to index Old Testament words so you can cross check a word if you know it’s Strong’s reference number. It’s more accurate in it’s definitions and context and it uses the full word and not just the root as Strong’s does. I still don’t know enough Hebrew to read without help but I’ll get there.

            I’m a brother. Be well and prosper.

          • Jana

            OOOPS, Sorry, brother LOL. Thanks for the info.

          • Katrael

            Not a problem, You’re welcome and Shalomaleka!

          • WTS/JAY

            Jana: As YHVH was bending down writing with his finger, did you ever wonder what He was writing? Did you notice the Word says they left one by one? I have wondered if He wasn’t writing their names (as He knew their names) and as He wrote their names He also wrote what they had been doing that wasn’t so sinless, too. That also could have helped REPROVE their conscience. Just a thought.

            And a very good thought at that! Btw, i’m in complete agreement!

          • Jana

            Thanks

          • Ringgo1

            Well, Karolyn, YOU certainly pick and choose what (you think) works for you.

          • JeffH

            Always has, yet she will always deny that she is a hypocrit and always has…at least since arriving and posting @ PLD.

          • WTS/JAY

            With all due respect, Jeff, but yours is a rather naive understanding of the Muslim faith!

            You said: They’re not going away, and you’re not going to turn them into Episcopalians, so it is counterproductive to keep emphasizing all their flaws.

            I wouldn’t exactly refer to beheadings, sharia-law, pedophilia, and beating one’s wife because the “Quran” says is permissible as “minor-flaws”. You’re kidding, right?

            You said: What we need to do is support and encourage the moderate, business elements in the Muslim World to take on and defeat the radicals. If I knew precisely how to accomplish that, I wouldn’t waste my time on these blogs, but that is what we should be discussing.

            Again, a very naive-statement…and no, there is no way to defeat the radicals, so you might as well keep blogging and educating people of the menacing-threat which is Islam. The West has tried to bring the Muslim-radicals to heel for how long now?

            You said: Support and encourage the moderate, business elements to take on and defeat the radicals?

            If it wasn’t such a sad and serious-problem, you’re comment could actually be considered funny!

      • http://www.PatriotOutlet.com/ SplendidIsolation

        Islam is the only religion that commands this barbaric custom of beheading. They do this everywhere today to those they call “infidels”. The Qur’an commands in Surah 47:4 – “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads…” To fundamentalist Muslims, the entire world including your own home is their “battlefield”. It is all a war of spiritual forces. The god Allah is opposing the God of Israel everywhere in the world today. Find more at: http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

        • WTS/JAY

          The religion of peace, according to our Liberal-friends. A religion which they are more then willing to sacrifice our lives to defend!

        • Guest

          do you know why muslims oppose the god of ISRAEL.just look at what the Israel gov. is doing today killing as they wish does that remind you of an other country

          • Vigilant

            Open your eyes and stack up the numbers, Perry.

            “Killing as they wish?” (buzzer sounds) Wrong!

            Teaching hatred for Jews to their children and sending rockets and mortars by the thousands to kill the INNOCENT who are TARGETED. (bell rings) Correct!

            Ain’t no comparison, child.

          • WTS/JAY

            Why Palestinians Want This Video Removed

            The Arabs who occupy the land of Israel want this video to be removed . Feel free to copy this video and help spread the truth the palestinians seek to deny.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg

          • Vigilant

            Excellent video! Thanks for the link.

          • WTS/JAY

            My pleasure!

          • Bob666

            I’m Curious Jay,

            You seem to be on an anti -Islam tirade of late, what gives?

            Every religion has it’s fanatical elements and yes, there are some folks in the middle –east that have violent tendencies, the vast amount of Muslims that I
            have dealt with have been decent honest people as I have done business in Morocco and Abu Dhabi

            Yes,they do have different customs and beliefs, but in all, my experiences have been positive.

          • WTS/JAY

            When a Muslim uses politically correct speech, he or she will usually say that Muslims abhor violence. But that does not mean that they will not resort to violence or other political and financial persuasion after issuing an “invitation to Islam.” If a Muslim dislikes violence, it is still required if all else fails. In fact, the Quran tells them to do just that, while giving encouragement by promising paradise in return.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jay,

            Watched the video. If I took snipeds of your post as someone did with this video of Obama, I could make you appear to be the devil him self and a Muslim thee times removed. who was born a jew.

            That you would referance someting like a You-Tube
            Disappoints me.

          • WTS/JAY

            The video-editor removed all the non-essential, Bob. Btw, the intent of the producer of the video was not to establish that Obama is the Devil, but that Obama is a Muslim. Funny that you should suggest that being a Muslim is equal to being a Devil…?

          • Bob666

            Jay,

            You never did answer my question regarding direct experience with Muslims?

            “the intent of the producer of the video was not to establish that Obama is the Devil, but that Obama is a Muslim”.
            I would say that you are correct in that statement.

          • WTS/JAY

            SAUDI ARABIA: Bodies of beheaded convicts hung up in public square for all to admire…But don’t blame Islam!

            Five Yemeni nationals convicted of murder and of belonging to a criminal organisation were decapitated and hung by the shoulders from cranes on Tuesday in the city of Jizan, in southwestern Saudi Arabia. According to our Observer, this macabre scene is intended to terrorize criminals and illegal immigrants.

            Three of the men were brothers. The bodies of all five were strung up for a full day on a pole tied between two cranes. Their heads were placed in bags attached to their bodies. They had been decapitated by swords and hung up in the city’s main square, right in front of Jizan University.

            Doesn’t sound like the fanatical-behaviour of just a few, Bob; but rather, a “State-sancioned” radical-behaviour…wouldn’t you agree, Bob?

            According to a conservative interpretation of Sharia law, crimes punishable by death in Saudi Arabia including rape, apostasy (changing religion, for example by renouncing Islam), armed robbery, drug trafficking, and witchcraft.

            http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/05/25/saudi-arabia-bodies-of-decapitated-convicts-hung-up-in-public-square-for-all-to-admire/

            That doesn’t sound like the radical-behaviour of just a few, Bob, but that it’s “state-sactioned”. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • Bob666

            Yo Jay,

            There is no doubt that some countries like Saudi-Arabia are mid -evil in their beliefs. My experiences have been in moderate Muslim countries and there is difference.
            I tend to look at the vast majority of people being decent and most that I runinto confirm this.

          • WTS/JAY

            The Myth of Peaceful, Moderate Muslims -by Sujit Das

            There are many non-fighting members, e.g., accountants, cooks, fund-raisers, logistics specialists, medical doctors, nurses or recruiters – who may play only a passive support role. But all of them have the same ultimate goal, i.e., to defeat the enemy.

            Similarly, there are many ways to support jihad, besides personal violence. The peaceful Muslims we know are playing this passive support role and the ultimate goal is to conquer the world for Islam by wiping out the infidels and their civilizations.

            “Islam, just like the Roman God Janus, has two faces”. — Abul Kasem

            “The militant Muslim is the person cutting the head of the infidel while the moderate Muslim holds the victims feet”. — Dr. M. Sabieski

            In a country when Muslims are a minority, they demand more and more privileges and rights for minorities from the host country. When their number grows by birth or immigration, they want to impose Sharia rule. When they become the majority, they start bringing death and destruction to the host nation and start ethnic cleansing. This is the worst type of disloyalty and hypocrisy.

            (Please research the growing Muslim-problem in Europe, particularly in the UK and France, Bob)

            Is not this the same what Muhammad did to the early Meccans? When he was weak, he brought down verses, which were non-violent. He even uttered some verses, which praised the pagan gods (i.e. the satanic verses) to make the Meccans happy. But when he became powerful, his darker side began to emerge and the Qur’anic verses started losing their beauty.

            Once he conquered Mecca, he showed his true color to everyone – either convert or die by the sword.

            Though the concerned governments, such as those in the West, spend billions to protect their citizens from Islamic jihadis, the policy-makers often fail to see this point. They are making the same mistake what the early Meccans did. They realize the impact of radical Islam, but fail to pay attention to moderate Islam.

            Little do they understand that this so-called moderate Islam is much more dangerous than the radical Islam, because it grows and silently kills the host.

            It is impossible for a Muslim to live and commune with non-Islamic societies without an obligation to convert them to Islam by force or deception.

            Islamic jihad has many faces. Jihad is not just slaughtering people for Islam; it is also a systematic suppression of truth and propagation of lies. If not, how can the moderate Muslims boldly assert (despite hard evidence to the contrary) that Islam is a peaceful religion?

            The slogan “Islam is a peaceful religion” is about 1,400 years out of date. The seed of terrorism is germinating inside every Muslim. Anyone, who has put a single grain of trust on Muhammad and his Qur’an, fills up his mind with unjustified hate and paranoia, and he is bound to have similar destructive ideas like his Prophet. The dark force of Muhammad’s narcissism immediately starts working in him.

            Even after a decade into the war on Islamic terror, we often hear that Islam is a religion of peace. While those so-called peaceful Muslims use this term for obvious reasons, those, who know Islam, use this term sarcastically.

            Terrorism is there in every cell of Islam. Islam cannot survive without terrorism, because terrorism is the life-force of Islam. Those, who are against terrorism, have no place in Islam; they are infidels. As Habis al Saoub, in his Arabic document, entitled A Martyr’s will, quoted (Spencer, 2003, p. 23):

            “The Prophet Muhammad’s seventh-century assertion is that abandoning the cause of jihad is a disgraceful act tantamount to leaving the Islamic religion.”

            continued below:

            http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=880:the-myth-of-peaceful-moderate-muslims&catid=78:sujit&Itemid=58

          • Bob666

            Jay,
            “Little do they understand that this so-called moderate Islam is much more dangerous than the radical Islam, because it grows and silently kills the host”.

            I have expressed to you my personal experience-do you have any personal experience with Muslims??

          • Justsomeguy151

            Wrong, they were doing that since the 7th century, long before 1947.

          • WTS/JAY

            Then how do you explain what they do their own people, perry?

            The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman. An ex-muslim woman exposes the terror of the death cult of islam.

            For women, islam is the most oppressive and violent religion in the world and many muslimas are leaving islam every year. This scares muslim men and they spread propaganda-videos about false miracles of Allah, false conversions from atheism to islam.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw

          • Katrael

            Hey perry, what other country are you talking about? Who are the Israeli gov. killing as they wish? And the god of ISRAEL? Do you make a distinction between the god of Israel and the god of Islam? Aren’t they supposed to be the same? If they aren’t then perhaps Allah is really a pagan moon god?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Thanks Katrael. When defenders of Islam prattle their nonsense they don’t seem to catch themselves in their admission that the God of the Jews and Christians is not the same as Allah and it may be the Muslamists are doing the same thing as the Greeks, Romans, Sumarians, etc., did and worship the Nephilim as a god Allah.

          • Katrael

            Nadzieja Batki, very likely they do worship a pagan deity just as the ancient House of Israel came to do after it split from the nation of Israel thus dividing the nation of Israel into two distinct nations: the House of Judah and the House of Israel. The House of Judah eventually went the way of the House of Israel and did even worse than her sister did. So my point is that the Islamic system is probably built around a pagan deity as it had contact early on with Egypt where pagan deities where worshiped and this happened long before Israel went into Egypt. We have to remember that Hagar was from Egypt and would have been exposed to paganism and most likely would have taught her son Ishmael about it. Even the 12 tribes brought with it elements of pagan worship with them when they left Egypt and they had to be warned about doing it.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Way too much kool aid. You say that Israel killing in self defense and people blowing up shoppers at market places with car bombs are the same? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Here is a video showing you “messiah” is losing support of his own party.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/2013/05/poll-1-in-4-democrats-want-obama-impeached/
            Just another example of people starting to wake up from their sheeple sleep. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “I have tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty; through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.”
            Alexander Hamilton
            Dying words July 12, 1804
            Founding Father
            Devout Christian

        • Jana

          And, wife beating. Here is an excerpt from an Imam explaining how to wife beat.

          Sa’d Arafat: Allah honored wives by instating the punishment of beatings.

          Interviewer: Honored them with beatings? How is this
          possible?!

          Sa’d Arafat: The prophet Muhammad said: “Don’t beat her in the face, and do not make her ugly.” See how she is honored. If the husband beats his wife, he must not beat her in the face. Even when he beats her, he must not curse her.

          This is incredible! He beats her in order to discipline her.

          In addition, there must not be more than ten beatings, and he must not break her bones, injure her, break her teeth, or poke her in the eye.
          There is a beating etiquette. If he beats to discipline her, he must not raise his hand high. He must beat her from chest level. All these things honor the woman.***

          I say, PHOOEY! Some honor.

        • Bob666

          Yo Greg,

          How about Exodus 21:24:

          “Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. This is “lex talionis”, the law of retaliation, and from whence the Heathens had theirs”.

          Every book of “God” has it’s violance and payback.

          • WTS/JAY

            It is not a law of retaliation, Bob. The idea behind Exodus 21:24 is justice. Another words, a life for a life. If you take a life (murder), then you’re life will be required. That is what is being communicated in Exodus. Retaliation is something different entirely, and always practiced outside the law.

          • Katrael

            Very good point about the difference between justice and retaliation. Part of the meaning of retaliation is revenge. Revenge is usually meted out by the person who was injured and justice is accomplished through court action.

          • WTS/JAY

            Correct, Katrael!

          • Jana

            Bob, The subject here is if two men are fighting and a hurt a woman who is pregnant, and she got hurt BECAUSE he meant to hurt her or her unborn child.

            Ex 21:22-25

            22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

            23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

            24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

            25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
            KJV

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            This is where you do err. God is the one that will repay them for the errors of their ways, not the children of Israel. Need to read your Bible a little better. This is also not something a Christian would post and claim the Bible to be violent. Sounds more like some marxist rant to me. Here is an article and videos from Joe the Plumber.
            http://www.joeforamerica.com/2013/05/stop-picking-on-muhammad/
            I’ll bet that I have met more muslims than you have Bob. You may have met them for business, but anyone can be friendly for business. There are also 2 muslim families that live in our neighborhood and they are friendly also, but the ones I had to deal with were not, experience from Iraq and Afghanistan. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.”
            Daniel Webster
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Well Sammy,

            I have to read your post and chuckel.

            ” Sounds more like some marxist rant to me”.

            Marxist, really?

            “Bob. You
            may have met them for business, but anyone can be friendly for business’.

            You are correct Sammy, but in all examples-they were my Customers as we provided engineering services on close to a billion dollars’ worth of construction. My experience was; very simple contracts and when we shook hands on agreements-they held up their end of the agreements and that is not common in other parts of the world. In just over six years of experience-all of my dealing were very positive.

            You might find people will treat you much different when they are not at the business end of an automatic weapon.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            People will always act different if they are going to receive money. My business end of an assult weapon or my TOW missles were no diiferent than the business end of an AK-47 or RPG, so what is your point? Here is an article talking about Al-Queda.
            http://www.americanvision.org/8121/who-is-al-qaeda/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, ‘This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!’ But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion (Christianity) this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean Hell.”
            John Adams
            2nd U. S. President
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Sammy,

            As Ronald Regan said, “there you go again”!

            “People will always act different if they are going to receive money”

            Read my post again, they were my customers and I was recieving their money!

            Christopher “Kit” Carson,
            American frontiersman.
            Montezuma Lodge No. 109, Santa Fe, New Mexico.

          • Katrael

            Hey Bob666, is there anything wrong with “lex talionis”.

      • Justsomeguy151

        Except they’re not extremists but the TRUE Koran reading Muslims. Thats not to say all Muslims are evil but Islam is.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Islam should not be typified by extremists? It is extremist to begin with so it announces itself to the world for what it is.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      You are correct Jay. I don’t need to read the Quaran to know these things, as I saw them in person in Iraq and Afghanistan. Here are some articles that will help to back up what you are saying.
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/islamic-cleric-calls-uk-soldiers-beheading-a-courageous-and-heroic-act/
      http://www.politichicks.tv/column/islamic-terrorists-have-carried-out-20915-deadly-attacks-since-91101/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
      “If they would see America free and pure they will make their own spirits free and pure by this baptism of the Holy Scriptures.”
      Woodrow Wilson

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Here are some more.
        http://www.pjmedia.com//blog/obama-administration-calls-for-the-human-rights-of-jihadi-murderers/?singlepage=true
        Here is some good news for patriots, bad news for libturds, from Texas.
        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/10945/liberal-muslim-anti-american-anti-christian-curriculum-ousted-from-texas-schools/
        The article about Texas was helped by David Barton. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “America was born a Christian nation – America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of the Bible.”
        Woodrow Wilson

      • WTS/JAY

        I think that it would serve the liberal-progs well, if they were to spend some time in Islamic-countries. Rather then sitting at home applying their arm-chair philosophies which are clearly devoid of any reality. But talking-points devoid of any experience is all they have, which are sustained by wave-ward, unmoored and fickle-feelings. Unsurprisingly then, the logical-inconsistencies in their arguments.

        • JeffH

          Jay, kudos to that!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Well said fellow patriot! Since the libturds and progturds never know what is going on around them, how can they call themselves knowledgeable on any subject or call themselves leaders? My father, who served in the navy for 32.5 years, told me that a leader is required to know what is going on around him and his situation at all times. But alas! They do not. This is shown in postings from Flashy, Doc Sarvis, Smilee, KG, Jeff, and many others. Here is onewhere Dr. Howard Dean just stepped on himself again.
          http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/05/20/Howard-Dean-Four-Dead-Americans-in-Benghazi-Is-A-Laughable-Joke
          Here is one showing how the left wing wackos are getting nervous about things during these scandalist times.
          http://www.lastresistance.com/2170/democrats-grow-increasingly-desperate-during-scandalpalooza/
          But then again, what else is new? Don’t rats get nervous when they see water on a boat? Don’t they fear swimming? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
          “Human law must rest its authority ultimately on the authority of that law which is Divine. Far from being rivals or enemies, religion (Christianity) and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other.”
          James Wilson
          Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
          Original justice on the SCOTUS
          Devout Christian

      • JeffH

        Here, Here fellow patriot!

        하나님과 국가 동료 애국 자에 대 한

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Thank you fellow patriot! Always good to see you on line. Sook Young say hellos to you, Jay, and your families. Here is a funny video by Steven Crowder.
          http://www.politichicks.tv/2013/05/new-steven-crowder-video-slams-quran/
          Here is another one showing Michael Moore getting his head handed to him. Ha, ha, ha, ha!
          http://www.conservativevideos.com/sie-cupp-blasts-michael-moore-over-guns/
          I guess that some libturds just never learn. But alas! They never do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
          “A patriot must be a religious man.”
          Thomas Jefferson
          3rd U. S. President
          Founding father
          Orthodox Christian

          • Karolyn

            How about one of Wayne Allyn Root making a fool out of himself on The Daily Show?
            http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-may-23-2013/the-only-unfair-thing-ever

          • WTS/JAY

            Teacher Fired for Praying in School During Oklahoma Tornado

            (PP)- Friday a teacher working at an Oklahoma school hit hard by a devastating tornado this week was fired after admitting she had prayed out loud during the horrific event, and that a complaint was filed by an atheist family of a kindergarten student who was offended by the Christian prayer.

            Paulina Trumble, 52, a twenty three year veteran educator at Briarwood Elementary School in Moore, Oklahoma knew she was in trouble the moment the cyclone passed after realizing she had uttered out loud a prayer to the Almighty, violating strict separation of church and state laws.

            “In a moment when I believed we were all going to die I naturally sought comfort from the only place I knew,” said Trumble.

            “I know prayer is strictly forbidden in classrooms, and the students know that too, but I’m only human and in the face of such terror I did break the rules. I’m sorry if I offended anyone or violated their civil rights.”

            The family, who’s name is being kept anonymous for their own protection, filed the complaint with the school through an ACLU attorney even though the teacher was responsible for saving the life of their six year old child.

            “Saving the life of my client’s child was Ms. Trumble’s responsibility and is to be expected,” said ACLU attorney Donald Ambulachasky. “Unfortunately, it is also a teacher’s responsibility to keep God out of the classroom and on that count Ms. Trumble failed miserably. It doesn’t matter the circumstances…. the law is the law, and someone must pay.”

            What was that you were saying the other day, Karolyn, about the ACLU protecting the rights of Christian American’s free-speech???

            http://www.palookavillepost.com/2013/05/25/teacher-fired-for-praying-in-school-during-oklahoma-tornado/

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here are some things showing the ways of the left wing wackos.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/go-gay-or-go-home-doj-employees-compelled-to-embrace-gay-lifestyle/
            Here is one where a school in a blue state is promoting transgenders.
            http://www.eagnews.org/at-least-one-milwaukee-momwont-be-sending-her-child-to-school-on-switch-it-up-day/
            Why are the libturds, progturds, secularists, and other left wing wackos of the 5th column perverting our ways of life and the ways of our Christian founding fathers? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “This is all the inheritance I give to my dear family. The religion of Christ will give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
            Patrick Henry
            November 11, 1798
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Jana

            Oh how rotten, how very very rotten!

          • WTS/JAY

            Worse than rotten, Jana. It is pure “evil”!

            Btw, Interesting phrase made by ACLU attorney Mr. Donald Ambulachasky; ““Unfortunately, it is also a teacher’s responsibility (to keep God out) of the classroom and on that count Ms. Trumble failed miserably”. Hmm, here is a representative of a secular-organization accusing someone of having the ability of inviting God into a social-setting. Im not quite sure if Mr. Ambulachasky was expressing “fear” or making an admission the he believes that God exists or both; that God exists and he is scared chitless of Him; as he should be!

          • Jana

            Yes, it is evil Jay. I just couldn’t think of a worse word than rotten at the moment.

          • Rocco

            It didn’t happen, the whole story is made up. You need to check your sources next time.

          • JeffH

            Yeah Jay, Karolyn was so quick to defend the ACLU 100%.

          • WTS/JAY

            Hmm, no rebuttal from Karolyn, JeffH. It is with instances such as the one above, when the lying-brigade are instructed by their handlers to refrain from responding.

          • JeffH

            That or the totally disconnected and naive…your choice.

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn 8 days ago: And here’s a whole list of ACLU-supported Conservative/Christian issue:

            http://www.aclufightsforchrist

            Karolyn 8 days ago: Why is it nobody mentions it when the ACLU backs a conservative issue? Here’s just one (and there are more):

            http://blogs.e-rockford.com/ap

            Karolyn 8 days ago: Jay – Did you even go to the sites I posted. The one below has a whole list of Christianity-based issues the ACLU has worked on.

            JeffH Karolyn 8 days ago: Karolyn, once again it is their hypocrisy…they either defend civil liberties 100% or they don’t…the ACLU cannot have it both ways without being a hypocritical organization.
            FYI, I never mentioned “conservatives” once in my post and I never said the ACLU does not do some good thing either…They’re just a hypocritical organization.

            Karolyn JeffH 8 days ago: Semantics, Jeff. You know I meant they defend issues that are not liberal.

            Of course, NC has to put his 2 cents in…

            NC JeffH 8 days ago: Jeffh, one of the bill of rights WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION deals with a right to A fair trial! The ACLU appeared in a court document to protect the rights of Ollie North to a fair trial! DO YOU SEE OLLIE NORTH AS LIBERAL? NON-CHRISTIAN? ANTI-AMERICAN?

            They also appeared for RUSH LIMBAUGH to protect his CONSTITUTIONAL right against unlawful search and seizure OF HIS MEDICAL RECORDS! Do you see Mr. Limbaugh as LIBERAL? NON_CHRISTIAN??AS UNAMERICAN!

            They also came to the aid of SEAN HANNITY TO PROTECT HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN HE WAS BLASTING GAYS ON RADIO! DO YOU SEE HIM AS LIBERAL?NONCHRISTIAN/ OR UNAMERICAN? THEY HAVE ALSO APPEAED FOR MANY OTHER NON LIBERAL PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS!!

            TOO MUCH KOOL AID AND TOO LTTLE KNOWLEDGE , JEFFH???

            Yet, when a news article is posted, as with the one above, in regards to Mrs. Paulina Trumble, 52, a twenty three year veteran educator at Briarwood Elementary School in Moore, who, while protecting the life of a child during a horrific tornado, uttered a prayer of protection, and is now being sued by the parents of the child she was protecting, the lying-brigade who previously sang the praises of ACLU, are strangely quiet. What gives?

          • JeffH

            Simple answer…you just can’t fix stupid!
            …or Liberalism is a disease! The only known cure is a “miracle”.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yes, a miracle! Or when the chit is dumped into their back-yard…

          • JeffH

            FYI Jay, are you aware or did you know that NC and Maynard Runkle are one in the same?

          • WTS/JAY

            No JeffH, i wasn’t aware. I shall take a closer look.

          • JeffH

            I wasn’t aware until I got a reply from him yesterday…Maynard Runkle…in response to some comments I made to NC.
            http://personalliberty.com/2013/05/17/could-the-irs-scandal-bring-down-obama/#comment-908179940

          • Vigilant

            How absolutely unconscionable! It reminds me of the ungrateful idiots who were passengers on Sully’s plane when he landed it in the Hudson after a bird hit, then turned around and sued the airlines.
            Lawyers! Gag.

          • WTS/JAY

            What a strange way of thanking someone for saving their lives…?

          • Vigilant

            WTS/JAY, what I find so pitiable is that the child obviously went home after the teacher saved his/her life and “ratted” on her. Can you imagine the kind of lowlife parents who have drilled it into the head of that poor child so constantly that, in the aftermath of that horrible tragedy, the child would report it?

            There are atheists who understand and respect freedom of religion, and then there are atheists who HATE religion on such a categorical basis that they are willing to dispense with all human decency in their quest for destroying it.

            Most of the atheists who post on this site are of the latter breed of animal.

          • WTS/JAY

            I’m willing to bet, Vigilant, that should Mrs(s)Paulina Trumble find herself in a similar-situation, she would do the exact same as she did previously. That being; protect and rescue the children placed in her charge. Because that is what human-beings do! And nothing would give me more pleasure than to sit in on her court-proceedings and hear Paulina Trumble state as much to the Judge and the ACLU-lackey!

            Btw, i wholeheartedly agree with your separating the sheep (not a pejorative) from the atheist-wolfs (pejorative)! Kudos!

          • JeffH

            The whole thing wreaks of the progressive/Marxist indoctrination.

            WHAT PROGRESSIVES HATE ABOUT FREE WILL

            Simply stated,
            they can’t control freedom, liberty, or any society which enjoys these inalienable rights. The fundamental desire of all progressives (aka Democratic Socialists) is to control all others for their own benefit. This is the opposite of freedom.

            In sum, freedom (aka free will) allows every individual to make winners or losers of themselves, the right to self-determination. Leftists want the power to create
            winners and losers, always based upon making winners of those who support their political agenda, and losers of those who stand opposed.

            In America, freedom and liberty are not luxuries afforded by our elected officials at the whim of their political ambitions. Freedom is not a gift from congress, the White House or the Supreme Court.

            It is a gift from a “free will” God, protected by our founding documents known as our Charters of
            Freedom, and paid for with the blood of heroes who give all in defense of these concepts. An undying belief in a “free will” God is the cornerstone of all freedom and liberty, period.

            This is why leftists insist upon a false premise of “separation of church and state,” a term or phrase which does not appear anywhere in our nation’s founding documents. The aim is to separate morality and ethics from government, leaving in place an immoral, unethical and unrestrained government free to rule over all mankind for benefit of their own tyrannical ambitions.
            http://newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams249.htm

          • JeffH

            Ain’t that the truth…well stated!

          • Vigilant

            JeffH, I believe you said you are an Atheist once. Please understand you’re in the former category, and I respect you for being one of the few.

            I am a Deist, which places me under some stern Christian eyes from time to time, but like you I respect the VALUES promulgated by Christianity and the importance in the formation of our nation played by those values.

            I also believe that the Christian culture of morality to which the Constitution was given, was a necessity in building respect for the law and in building the great nation we became. It has been largely the departure from those values that has crippled our country, in every possible way.

          • JeffH

            Vigilant, no, I’ve never stated my religious beliefs one way or the other because I am very private and personal with them.

            Do I believe in God? Absolutely!

            I also believe that denominationalism is a problem within the religious culture. To me, churches are a lot like political groups…which means I’ll choose to believe in the God or my creator as I choose, not as others would like to choose for me…such as would the varous kinds of christian churches.

            This is why I generally refrain from entering into the christian/atheist, religious/anti-religious discussions.

          • Vigilant

            JeffH, my apologies for misconstruing. My memory fails me sometimes.

            You just might be a Deist and not know it (smile).

          • JeffH

            Not a problem.
            Deist? Never really gave it any thought…you never know.

          • Jana

            Seems like they were taking her right to free speech away from her in a time she thought she might die. I know I will be writing a letter to the editor of that newspaper as well as to that school district.

          • JeffH

            MOORE, Oklahoma – The false rumor claiming a Moore Public Schools teacher was fired for praying out loud during the May 20 tornado was mean-spirited and disrespectful, says Superintendent Susan Pierce.

            Hoax Update: Reports of a Teacher Being Fired In Oklahoma for Praying Prior to Tornado Are Likely False
            Saturday, May 25, 2013 15:44
            http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/hoax-update-reports-of-a-teacher-being-fired-in-oklahoma-for-praying-prior-to-tornado-are-likely-false-2661376.html

          • Bob666

            Yo JeffH
            While I have never been a fan of the ACLU, that one just did not pass the smell test.

          • Jana

            Hooraaayyyyyy.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. Students’ perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            3rd U. S. President
            Founding father
            Orthodox Christian

          • Rocco

            It’s a hoax.

            MOORE — Moore school officials said Monday they have turned over a threatening email to police after a hoax story was spread online that the district fired a teacher for praying with her students during the May 20 tornado.
            The hoax started on a parody website but was picked up by bloggers and spread on social media. It cited the firing of a 52-year-old teacher named Paulina Trumble from Briarwood Elementary. No one by that name has ever been employed by the school, and the entire story is fictional, Pierce said.

          • Vigilant

            More like Root unfairly being ambushed and made the brunt of an illogical apples and oranges “argument.”

            Stewart and his lackey got a big kick out of making him appear to be a fool by drawing a parallel that doesn’t exist. Root’s answers were from the hip and he certainly could have made a better argument than appeal to multimillion dollar business ownership. But the point of the grilling was not to present a logical argument, but to intentionally make a person look bad because of his political sentiments.

            Looks to me like Stewart was the one doing the profiling. And that makes him no better than the IRS.

            BTW, the most heinous crimes in this country are being perpetrated by the groups you so much lament as being profiled. If you believe that little old ladies in wheel chairs should be felt up at airports, then you you are definitely in need of an attitude adjustment.

          • WTS/JAY

            It is not looking good for President Obama. Today the teleprompter took the fifth. In fact, the White House has changed their slogan from, “Yes we can” to “No, i can’t remember.” -Jay Leno

            Please say hello back to Sook for me, Samurai!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I’ll tell her. Is this what you are talking about Jay?
            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/05/jay-leno-unloads-on-obama-in-devastating-monologue/
            Jay Leno really did a good job describing Obama bin Laden and his administration. Here is one that tells the 2 words Obama bin Laden doesn’t want to hear.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/congressman-time-for-special-prosecutors/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “If life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
            Patrick Henry
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • JeffH

            samurai, please say hello back to Sook Young, another faithfull patriot.

            신의 호가 숙 영과 그들의 영 생 불멸 믿음과 애국에 대 한 사무라이

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I’ll tell her fellow patriot. Thanks for the sentence. Here is something about Joe “Jelly Beans” Biden.
            http://www.joeforamerica.com/2013/05/biden-slips-and-reveals-true-aim-of-government-studies/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • JeffH

            “Jelly Beans” Biden…you just made me laugh.

            samurai, thank you and every veteran for your patriotic service.
            하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You’re welcome. The same to you and your patriotic service. Here is anarticle showing that drones have taken American lives.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?_r=1&
            I guess the MSM, or at least parts of it, are starting to wake up from their sheeple sleep. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “The true Christian is the true citizen.”
            Theodore Roosevelt

    • Guest

      what you didn’t say is that most of muslim people can’t read or write. they only know what they are told.sounds like you don’t like any one that is a liberal.not that I am one.however you can’t hate for that reason!

      • WTS/JAY

        I never used the word “hate”.

        • JeffH

          Isn’t that a “not so funny” thing about liberals and progressives…their penchant for projecting their own personal & inherent hate through said accusation of another.

          The word “hate” just isn’t in my vocabulary because I despise it.

      • Jana

        There is a huge difference between hating someone and not trusting someone perry. It’s the same thing about Pres. Obama. I don’t hate him, I just don’t trust him OR HIS POLICIES.

      • WTS/JAY

        For those who think we have nothing to worry about in regards to Islam…THE ISLAM PROBLEM IN EUROPE!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU7T5fbJbq0

        • Jana

          There is a major Islam problem in Europe and its not going away unless they start punishing the perpetrators.

          • WTS/JAY

            They need to be driven out, and sent back to where they came from!

    • Jana

      They say they are against homosexuality but in truth, they aren’t.

      Afghan Men Struggle With Sexual Identity, Study Finds
      Published January 28, 2010

      As if U.S. troops and diplomats didn’t have enough to worry about in trying to understand Afghan culture, a new report suggests an entire region in the country is coping with a sexual identity crisis.

      An unclassified study from a military research unit in southern Afghanistan details how homosexual behavior is unusually common among men in the large ethnic group known as Pashtuns — though they seem to be in complete denial about it.

      The study, obtained by Fox News, found that Pashtun men commonly have sex with other men, admire other men physically, have sexual relationships with boys and shun women both socially and sexually — yet they completely reject the label of “homosexual.” The research was conducted as part of a longstanding effort to better understand Afghan culture and improve Western interaction with the local people.

      The research unit, which was attached to a Marine battalion in southern Afghanistan, acknowledged that the behavior of some Afghan men has left Western forces “frequently confused.”

      The report details the bizarre interactions a U.S. Army medic and her
      colleagues had with Afghan men in the southern province of Kandahar.

      In one instance, a group of local male interpreters had contracted gonorrhea anally but refused to believe they could have contracted it sexually –“because they were not homosexuals.”

      Apparently, according to the report, Pashtun men interpret the Islamic
      prohibition on homosexuality to mean they cannot “love” another man
      — but that doesn’t mean they can’t use men for “sexual gratification.”

      The group of interpreters who had contracted gonorrhea joked in the camp that they actually got the disease by “mixing green and black tea.”
      But since they refused to heed the medics’ warnings, many of them re-contracted the disease after receiving treatment.

      The U.S. army medic also told members of the research unit that she and her colleagues had to explain to a local man how to get his wife pregnant

      • Jana

        Hey I don’t like it either, but truth is truth.

      • Justsomeguy151

        This is true. Read a book about archeology completely unrelated to politics and the archeologist had a short paragraph about this phenomenon in his book. The adult males will “snip” the boys so they never grow hair or mature as males. The saying in the region goes “Women for marriage, boys for fun”. Perverse and disgusting but true.

      • WTS/JAY

        Bizarre!

    • Jeff

      Liberals do not “love” Islam, but liberals do support the rights of individual Muslims to free speech, assembly, etc. and recognize the potential for their being singled out for unfair treatment. While most terrorists may be Muslims, most Muslims are not terrorists. I know it’s a complex thought, but it serves no purpose to pick on people you think “look like” Muslims. I have no problem with the FBI keeping an eye on the activities of those Muslim clerics who advocate jihad and may be encouraging young men to become suicide bombers. Liberals do not want to infringe on the Constitutional rights of Muslims because they follow a different holy book.

      That being said, I agree with Bill Maher. Western culture in my opinion is superior to “Muslim culture” precisely because of our ability to listen to the Pope, our priests, reverends, and rabbis, smile politely, and then ignore them. Our society has developed this ability relatively recently (in the last 200 years). Until the Muslim World develops the ability to ignore its religious fanatics, it will remain underdeveloped in every way.

      • WTS/JAY

        Jeff, no offence, but you clearly have a very naive-view/understanding of Islam.

      • Jana

        It’s odd that you don’t give that same support to conservatives or Christians.

    • Vigilant

      Received via e-mail today:
      THIS WAS IN A SPANISH NEWSPAPER:
      “EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ ”
      By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

      “I walked down the street in Barcelona and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz … We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen
      people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

      The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life:
      science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

      And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and
      poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

      They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

      And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

      What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe .

      A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves. Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it ‘offends’ the Muslim population
      which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving in to it.

      • WTS/JAY

        The Quran, in reality, is a book of an imperfect scripture, allegedly sayings of God, filled with errors, contradictions, stupidities, historical inaccuracies. The contents of the Quran are also not arranged according to importance, continuity, sacredness, biography, chronology, significance or sequence of any sorts, but simply by length: the longest chapter, followed by the next longest. The Verses are disorderly arranged and jumbled up in unrelated subjects/topics.

        The Quran has no prophecy, no chronology, no geography, no biography of anybody (except bits & pieces of Muhammad’s), no ministry, no history, no proverbs, no parables, no miracles, no psalms, no sequence of any sort.

        It’s generally a manual of dos and don’ts, like an instruction manual of a vacuum cleaner, with punitive punishments, reprisals and rewards specified in it.

        The Quran is, undoubtedly, not a book created by an intelligent being, and is unfit for the intelligent and rational thinking persons. This book fraught with fraud, stupidity and logic and reason, which makes it a complete lie.

        In demanding absolute and unconditional obedience from his believers, al-Ilah categorically states (Surah 33.36):

        “And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when al-Ilah and his messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair(s); and who so is rebellious to al-Ilah and his messenger, he verily go astray in error manifest.”

        So as believers, Muslims have no right to think independently about their own affairs, because al-Ilah and his messenger have already done the thinking for them. All that Muslims are required to do is just to obey (like sheep) to al-Ilah’s words as in the Quran, and becoming totally obedient morons. If these Muslims do not obey and follow all the commands, they will be considered by al-Ilah as “rebellious” and face consequences. In the same verse, al-Ilah also demands Muslims to obey his human messenger, Muhammad (giving equal status with al-Ilah???).

        No other religion on earth demands from its followers such absolute and unconditional obedience to a human messenger and his puppet god. This defies all logic. Why shouldn’t Muslims use their God-given brains for independent, rational thinking into their own affairs?

        Islam is like a magician: once he puts an illusory spell over his audience, he has complete control of everything he wants people to believe and do! By taking control of Muslims mind, and making them force Islam on those not in control, Islam deprives Muslims from questioning and leaving Islam, even if one wishes so? Either you believe and behave, or you will be forced by true believers to conform; thus Islam keeps an absolute grip on the community. Almost everything in Islamic community is forced upon against the will and rational thinking of the individual: there’s no choice of one’s own.

        And, exceptional rewards are promised to believers: al-Ilah attempts to sell them a fake death insurance policy to reward them with eternal paradise filled with wine, honey, and angelic virgins… Al-Ilah also attempts to shame, threaten, and bribe Muslims into leaving their worldly life and sign up for jihad, with the promise of gaining entry into paradise.

        Islam is sure a trap with no way out. If a Muslim tries to get out, he/she will be killed as an apostate (Surah 4:89). This is why Muslims dare not criticize Muslims, who commit violence, murder, bombings, etc…

        http://www.islam-watch.org/Lennard/Deceit-of-Islam-FAKE-Quran-of-allah.htm

        • Jana

          I studied some about Muhammad and Islam. I felt sorry for the people trapped in such a life.

          Muhammad was a thief who had a gang that went through the villages and robbed them.

          He would go into a trance and claim the Angel Gabriel visited him and he would start babbling things and there would be those who had scraps of paper who would write down these babblings. Some of his babbling imitated the Old Testament, but like anything false, it is perverted and twisted. Satan can’t have anything good stay good you know.

          Later they started gathering all of these scraps of paper and put them together, this is why they are not in any special order in the Qur’an. Muhammad then told the people that they should follow him because he was god’s messenger but they just laughed and scoffed at him. This upset him greatly so he started killing those who laughed at him, causing fear in the people. His gang of thugs grew and so did his power.

          Soon in his delusioned state he started believing he was now gods avenger.

          He had many wives and at the end when he was around 52 he married Aisha who through most accounts was 6 yrs. of age. He waited to consummate the marriage till she was 9. Wow how nice of him. Here in this country we would call him a pedophile.

          This religion was created for man, by man against women and children, and especially against the ONE TRUE GOD. It was created in trances and in lies and by force.

          Some people claim that Aisha was 9 when Muhammad married her, but according to Egyptian Cleric Sheik Abkullah Kamal, and Dr. Ahmad Al-Mir’bir and Aahir Naick etc. She was 6.

          • WTS/JAY

            That pretty much sums it up, Jana! Of course, the followers of Mohamed’s insanity are forbidden to question the Quran, as doing so, is a guaranteed death-sentance! If i were to define Islam in a nut-shell; it is a religion that controls every possible part of it’s follower’s life and behaviour. Do you notice the same penchant to control every facet of the life and behaviour of Americans in the obama-administration, and that anyone who resists or questions the muslim is considered a terrorists and in danger of being dispatched?

  • WTS/JAY

    EPA Reverses Itself on Fluoride

    In a surprising reversal, last month EPA’s announced that it intends to lower the maximum amount of fluoride in drinking water because of growing evidence supporting the chemical’s possible deleterious effects to children’s health.

    In 2006, the National Academy of Sciences report that found dental fluorosis – caused by too much fluoride – capable of putting children at risk of developing other dental problems including the breakdown of tooth enamel, discoloration and pitting.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/02/22/epa-reverses-fluoride/#ixzz2UJQzpqRB

    • Karolyn

      Gee, they finally got the message?

      • WTS/JAY

        Yes! However, i think that fluoride should be eliminated from our drinking-water completely, or at least, none should be added. As there is sufficient amounts of fluoride naturally occurring in fresh-water and oceans. The concentration in seawater averages 1.3 parts per million(ppm). Fresh water supplies generally contain between 0.01–0.3 ppm, whereas the ocean contains between 1.2 and 1.5 ppm. What possesses man to alter fine balances already established by nature is anyone’s guess…?

        • Katrael

          WTS/Jay, I’ve read several documents which claim that fluoride was used by the Germans and Russians to dumb down certain segments of their populations. Who knows for sure if this is true? I believe it personally. I also believe that this poison was foisted off onto the ignorant population of America by certain industrial giants. They seemed to have had an abundance of this toxic waste to dispose of. Here’s an interesting article to read on the origins and use of fluoride. http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

          • WTS/JAY

            A very disturbing and eye-opening article. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, Katrael!

          • Katrael

            You’re welcome, don’t drink the water and be well and prosper :)

          • Jana

            Maybe this is why so many of our Sr. citizens are coming down with dementia or Alzheimer’s.

          • Katrael

            It very well could be part of the problem, however it’s difficult to comprehend all of the possibilities. Human physiology is extremely complicated and we haven’t even scratched the surface when it comes to understanding it. What I wonder is whether the people who promoted using this and other poisons knew what effects it would have on the population? I believe they did and they did it for just those purposes. After all, look at how many people in this country seem to be absolutely clueless They not only bought into Obama as president but they did it twice!!!!!!.

          • Jana

            Woe, great point!

        • Katrael

          I also Binged Dr. E.H. Bronner, Research Chemist and CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist and got a whole list of their publications about fluoride.

    • $8012302

      Amazing, EPA dump something using scientifically proven data. Their usual MO is to follow some creep that wants his or her name in the headlines. That is usually one of their own members. Such as an ex vice president. EPA has done more damage to this country than all the pollutants have done since caveman discovered fire. Power begets more power, corruption beget more corruption. 20th century Russian and the 21st century US are the best examples of both.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maynard-Runkle/100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

    As a liberal, I highly resent those who claim we love Muslims who are extremists and who violate their command to obey Moses’ Ten Commandments which they are supposed to follow as they claim to be descendents of Abraham, just as the Jews do.Those who kill, maim, deny freedoms etc. are just as bad (ignorant) as the so-called Christians who also defy the Commandments, the Constitution and Christ’s philosophy. Although I do Love them as just as much God’s Creations as I am, I do NOT love their hate filled philosophy or ANYONE else s’ for that matter.

    Christ taught us to “Love our neighbor and our enemies as ourselves.” He said “‘Vengeance is Mine’ sayeth the Lord.” He told us we ARE our brother’s keeper. He said “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” He admonished us “to forgive those who trespass against us.” These commands are more in line with Liberal-Progressive teachings than they are with Conservatives.
    I believe in these teachings and it does not matter to me who is violating them. In any such case, the perpetrators are making our lives here on Earth like Hell on Earth.
    One of the Ten Commandments is to not bear false witness. That is exactly what our government has done with the use of false flag events like the Gulf of Tonkin, the USS Liberty, the Incubator Babies Lie, the Oklahoma City Bombing, 9/11, the anthrax scare, the Boston Bombing, and more, to get ignorant, naive “false” Patriots to follow their destructive path.

    • Bill Henry

      Since when has your liberal progressive leader ever shown anything but defiance of the Commandments, the Constitution or Christ’s philosophy. Your spouting of the quotations of Christ belie your name callings and your not caring who is violating them. As for liberal views on Christianity I only have to watch the liberal press, and its persecution of anyone not in step with their political views. Have the muslim extremists not shown their intent, and hasn’t the President that most liberals worship shown the same intent, the destruction of this country. You spit the word Patriots from your mouth preceded by words that portray it as a bitter word. The day may come when your patriotism will be tested. Which side will you stand on then?

    • Justsomeguy151

      How can you say you are a Christian and be a liberal??? Or support this criminal in the White House???? Hes as evil as Bush jr. Liberalism is as evil as it gets; they condone stealing from others to “help” others; they think murdering a defenseless unborn child is a “right”; and they think guns kill people when it is an inanimate object. Even Jesus instructed one if his followers to purchase a sword. You are a conundrum to me because you are right about the numerous false flags but then you act like Obumma is innocent. WTH????

      • Karolyn

        When I was a Christian, I was a liberal. it does happen.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You were never a Christian.

          • Karolyn

            And just who do you think you are? How DARE you tell me what I was or was not! Just your judgmental attitude of everything I have to say shows just what kind of Christian YOU are. Typical behavior of a holier-than-thou person who knows all and even reads minds!

          • Katrael

            Karolyn, a tree is known by the fruit it bears. If you were a liberal you couldn’t be a Christian at the same time. Those two ideologies are oxymora.

          • WTS/JAY

            She’s not reading your mind, Karolyn. Nadzieja is reading your posts, reading between the lines, as it were, wherein you unknowingly reveal your true thoughts. If you do not wish to have yours posts criticized, or you fear unsavoury-rebuttals, i suggest you stop posting. Otherwise, she is as free as you are to speak her mind.

        • Justsomeguy151

          I know some people claim to be both but they are usually Christians that compromise so much w/ the secular world that their version of Christianity is far far from anything Jesus would recognize. You probably mean Catholic. Are you saying yr no longer a Christian? Do you now believe that life can create itself? Are you no longer a liberal? Why did you change?

          • Karolyn

            I was raised Catholic; however was an agnostic for many years. When I got older, I started to get serious with Christianity and was even studying the Bible. I was heavily into “The Purpose Driven Life” and was going to a wonderful Bible Fellowship Church. However, I was always uncomfortable with a lot of accepted Christian doctrine and started to question more and more. I could not believe that God was so judgmental and lived in fear that if I did not adhere to the rules, I would go to hell. Things like gays being sinners did not sit right with me. When I do something, I do it to the max. I was not a churchgoing hypocrite. After I read “Conversations with God” by Neale Donald Walsch I was introduced to the concept of a God who was loving, forgiving, and had no need for jealousy, anger, retribution and punishment. I felt liberated and have felt so ever since, which was five years ago.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Thanks for responding as I was honestly curious. I’m not sure that I understand completely yr POV. We are ALL sinners. We just have to ask to be forgiven. And YES, homosexuality is a sin. I’ve never understood Christians that act like there’s nothing wrong w/ it. That’s not to say gays should be harmed, demeaned or ostracized BUT they need to know that the lifestyle they choose to live is wrong. the Bible is VERY clear on this. Also, you don’t think God has the authority to be judge over us? Then no one does. Sounds like you’ve found a church that preaches the “Love” doctrine but omits the rest of Jesus’s teachings. You want there to be no punishment for sin which is illogical. You have to CHOOSE to be good or righteous. All of our actions have consequences. Its not logical to think that we can do whatever we want and still reap the rewards later. Not dogging you, just being honest. I’ve heard of this alot.

          • Karolyn

            There is something called karma. I have found no “church” or other religion.

          • Bob666

            Yo Karolyn,
            Two things:
            First, I have no problem with whatever views you have had, do have or will have regarding your faith. On behalf of the human race, let me apologize for the very bad behavior of people who feel they have the right to judge you or dissect your personal faith like a frog in an anatomy class.
            Finally, I am a bight believer in Karma. She is a fickle Bi*ch and has never let me down when it comes to setting things right in this world.

            I am quiite sure there are people on this site who have a upcoming date with Karma-they just are not aware of it yet.

          • Jana

            Bob,

            When Peter was out and about preaching the good news about Christ he was thrown in prison.

            But the Angel by night opened the prison doors and released them and told them to go to to the temple and speak. The next morning when the high priest who was not a high priest for God but for a religion, convened and called for Peter and his friends. The soldiers found the prison locked but no Peter. They did find him preaching in the Temple.

            This is what Peter said. Acts 5:29

            29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
            KJV

            No matter what your karma says Bob, we have to obey God not you. We aren’t condemning her, we are telling her the truth that she may have never heard. It isn’t easy telling someone the truth, it’s hard, especially when you don’t want to hurt someones feelings. Karma isn’t going to set things right, God our creator, our Savior, our Redeemer is the only one Who can.

          • Jana

            Karolyn, In so many ways you have such a good heart and it does come through most of the time. It saddens me that you weren’t taught the joys of serving the Lord. God is not waiting to see who He can hit over the head or send to hell like you described. He loves us. This is why He sent His only Son to die for us.
            There is no need for jealousy, anger, retribution and punishment if we repent and ask for forgiveness. Remember, we are human, and God knows we are human, we all are sinners. This is why we need A Savior.
            You have read all of the responses on here and seen all of us respond enough to know how imperfect we can be, but it doesn’t mean that God is mad at us because we goofed or answered wrong or in haste or in anger, if we repent and get up and start all over. That is what we do.

          • Karolyn

            Jana – I could not be a Christian and just pick and choose what to follow in the Bible. Either I do it all the way or don’t do it. Despite some believing I’m a hypocrite, I am not.

          • JeffH

            Yeah, right…and pigs can fly too!

          • Jana

            Karolyn,
            And as Jay said above and explained very well then you were never a Christian. You may have said you were with your mouth, but you never were with your heart. God is a heart knower sweetie.
            We are not condemning you for Not being a Christian either Karolyn. We just want you to be honest. As you said yourself you are not a hypocrite.

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn: I was raised Catholic…

            Then that would have made you a Catholic, or practising Catholic, and not a Christian, or a practising Christian. Tell me Karolyn, what is a Christian?

          • Karolyn

            Did you not read the rest of my post, Jay?

          • WTS/JAY

            Yes Karolyn, i read all of your post. And it is by your very words that you admit that you were never a Christian. Allow me to explain.

            You said: However, I was always uncomfortable with a lot of accepted Christian doctrine and started to question more and more. I could not believe that God was so judgmental and lived in fear that if I did not adhere to the rules, I would go to hell. Things like gays being sinners did not sit right with me.

            So in essence, Karolyn, you were curious. You were exploring Christianity. But you never accepted Christianity in the first place, because, as you said, you were always uncomfortable and didn’t agree with the very fundamentals of Christianity. So you never committed in the first place, to begin with! For if, as you say, you were always uncomfortable, and could not believe in the fundamentals of Christianity, then it stand to reason, that you were always non-commited. So how then, can you claim, you were ever a Christian?

          • Katrael

            Karolyn, is it that you practice certain anti Christian behaviors and you fear for your immortal soul the reason you no longer consider yourself a Christian. YHWH doesn’t live in fear of you…he’s only trying to teach his creation how to live and the behaviors you see no problem with are condemned by him because they bring death and destruction. Is it possible that you are blinded by your own lusts?

          • Karolyn

            Nope!

          • Katrael

            Then you probably object to the Christian version of God? Maybe it’s because many of your progressive friends practice things that are condemned by YHWH and you can’t or don’t want to accept that they will burn for their behaviors? Well, denying something that is real won’t save your friends from their fate.

      • WTS/JAY

        Justsomeguy, you will drive yourself bat-chit-crazy trying to make sense of the twisted logic of the left. It can’t be done!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Such Bull.

      • Jeff

        Such eloquence.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          And where is yours? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
          “Power always thinks that it is doing God’s service when it is violating all His laws.”
          John Adams
          2nd U. S. President
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

    • Jana

      Maynard,

      The first part of your speech was pretty good till you got to the part of,
      “These commands are more in line with Liberal-Progressive teachings than they are with Conservatives.”

      Wow, you are so mistaken. This new Liberal-Progressive teaching you are so proud of is so perverted from what its true intent was originally meant to be shows you don’t really A. know what the Bible truly says or means and B.You are truly a confused individual.

      Bill Henry and Justsomeguy151 hit the nail on the head in their reply to you.

      • JeffH

        Jana, FYI, Maynard is NC.

        • Jana

          Ah ha! I wasn’t aware of that. Thanks JeffH.

    • Katrael

      Hey Maynard Runkle, as a liberal do you believe that it’s a good thing for men to participate in sexual relations with other men and other such modern liberal folderol or are you a liberal because you believe in peace? If it’s the latter then most of us are liberals by that definition. If it’s the former then you have nothing in common with the Scriptures you quote.

      • WTS/JAY

        A most excellent comment!

        • Katrael

          Thank you WTS/JAY. Keep up the good work yourself.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고나라를위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “A patriot must be a religious man.”
        Thomas Jefferson
        3rd U.S. President
        Founding father
        Orthodox Christian

      • Jana

        I notice Maynard R is still silent. Hmmm.

        • Katrael

          Maybe I hurt his feelings?

          • Jana

            I would say maybe you applied so much logic you actually stumped him, but logic never seems to stop a modern liberal. They always manage to convince themselves that the truth isn’t really the truth and then they try to convince everyone else that the truth isn’t really the truth.

          • Katrael

            I guess you could call it self deception. They’ve convinced themselves about the lies they’ve come to believe. I really think I pissed him off and he won’t talk to me.

  • WTS/JAY

    “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” -Barack “HUSSEIN” Obama addressing the United General Assembly

    • http://www.PatriotOutlet.com/ SplendidIsolation

      Isn’t it amazing that our President protects Islam, Abortion, & Homosexuality but he won’t even send troops to protect our own Ambassador and staff in Benghazi. He called Jason Collins the next day to congratulate him on coming out of the closet but went to sleep during the attack on Ambassador Stephens.

      • WTS/JAY

        Not at all surprising, Greg, when one is aware of the unmistakable-fact that Obama, is a Muslim. And in private, practices Islam and is a follower of the prophet Mohamed. This is beyond dispute!

        Btw, upon Obama entering the White-House, and for the first time in American-history, Americans witnessed thousands of Muslims worshiping and giving praises to Allah on the White-house lawn. What more clear evidence do we need as to which religion Obama is a faithful-follower of? For if Obama were truly a Christian, as he falsely claims, no Muslim would have been found worshiping on the White-house lawn. Of course, the “spin-masters” will claim that the Muslims were collectively-praying for world peace, as hard as that is to imagine. But the question begs; why only when Obama took office and never before? Previously, Muslims in America have always remained silent and out of sight, particularly prior or during the invasion of Iraq when their beseeching-behaviour for world-peace would have been considered most appropriate, if not timely?

        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/islam-on-capital-hill-.html

        • Karolyn

          Obama is a Muslim “beyond dispute?” I think not.

          • Justsomeguy151

            His “Reverend” Wright said he was. He stills wears a ring w/ an Islamic inscription, “There is no god but Allah”.

          • Bob666

            Yea-please cite your source for this?

          • Justsomeguy151

            Old news. Google it.

          • Karolyn

            Yes, just Google it and find conflicting reports. This closeup of the ring looks nothing like Arabic, just fancy squiggles. Looks more serpentine.
            http://digitaljournal.com/article/334716

          • Justsomeguy151

            Well, at least that way you can form yr own opinion which is all I would ever ask anyone to do. If you look hard enough, you’ll find people that deny the Holocaust ever happened or swear that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is a documentary.LOL I voted for Obumma the first time and even tho hes a hopelessly corrupt fraud, it took that for me to wake up to the fake game of “Left vs Right”. I’m so glad I did. Now I can see thru most all political games and frauds.

          • Bob666

            But Karolyn,
            You know with absence of facts, he must be a Muslim!

          • WTS/JAY

            This is Islam, Karolyn. You had better educate yourself to a threat and a coming destruction far worse than the “crusades”! A threat to America that the Obama-administration refuses to address, and for obvious reason(s).

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxdoztoBEuc

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you don’t think, Karolyn, so your “beyond dispute” is worthless.

          • Karolyn

            Another non-reply. “Beyond dispute” signifies absolute proof, of which none exists.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Unless you are in O’s pants pocket you yourself have no inkling of what O is. Wanting O to be a Christian will not make him so, but a Muslim will have no qualms about lying to Americans that he is a Christian if supposedly 74+% of American call themselves some form of Christian and he want to jerk them around.

          • Bob666

            Yo Nads,

            Unless you are in O’s pants pocket you yourself have no inkling of what O is as well.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is a video where Obama bin Laden admits he is a muslim.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV9a2Z74uW4
            Need more evidence than his own words? Here is one about Michelle bin Laden costing taxpayers millions on extended vacations. Notice she has been on vacation 42 days this year alone.
            http://www.whitehousedossier.com‘2013/05/22/michelle-extended-vacation/
            She is beginning to look more like Marie Antwonette. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “I cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded assylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
            Patrick Henry
            March 23, 1775
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Sammy,

            Been there-seen and laughed at it. If I took snippets all of your post and edited them together, I could make you look like a Muslim too!

            Buchanan, James
            15th President of the USA. W.Master of Lancaster
            Lodge No. 43, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Past District Deputy Grand Master of
            the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I invite you to try Bob. You won’t make it. Here you mentioned that President James Buchanan, the worst president in American history, was a mason. Since he, like the libturds of his day, supported slavery and did not want it to end. Now there is a nice example of a mason. In fact he said:
            “All efforts of the abolishionists are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people.”
            James Buchanan
            1856 Democratic Platform
            I guess that a Mason thought that if all the slaves were free, it would be detrimental (sp) to the American people as a whole. I guess just keep them on the plantation, like Obama bin Laden is trying to do with us, is the moral, ethical, and viruous way to do things, eh Bob? Need to look at all sides of Masonry before you go posting about it. Now you can go back to your mom’s basement and lick the wounds the Samurai has just given you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. Students’ perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            3rd U. S. President
            Founding father
            Orthodox Christian

          • Bob666

            Sammy,

            “Need to look at all sides of Masonry before you go posting about it. Now you can go back to your mom’s basement and lick the wounds the Samurai has just given you”

            I have looked at all sides of Freemasonry Sammy and by your own admission-you know nothing about the subject.

            Every group has it’s share on under-achievers and I bet the Army could could say the same thing about your military experience. It does not bode well for you when you try to hang an entire organiztion based on the history of one or two members.

            As far as my mother’s basement? She has been dead for a long time and we don’t have basements here in Florida since they become indoor swimming pools.

            As far as wounds, your statement reminds me of Charlie Sheen after he was fired from his TV show and he coined the phrase W-I-N-N-I-N-G.

            Sorry Sammy, you have inflicted nothing.

            Walter P. Chrysler,
            American automobile manufacturer.
            32 degree AASR, Salina, Kansas. Member of
            Isis Shrine Temple at Salina, Kansas. Reportedly a visitor to Cedar Lodge, Oshawa, ON, No. 270, GRC while employed by Buick Corporation.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Tis true that there were some bad soldiers in the army, some started in my platoons, but were turned into men very quickly, but one soldier does not affect the whole country like a president does. Here is an article about why Muslims butcher their victims.
            http://www.frontpagemag.com/mordechai-kedar/why-do-they-slaughter-their-victims/
            Here is one of what happened to 2 Christians here in America.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/muslim-accused-of-beheading-2-christians-in-u-s/
            We’re not even safe in our own country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved Son. Blessed be His holy name.”
            John Jay
            Founding father
            SCOTUS Chief Justice
            Devout Christian

          • Justsomeguy151

            Wrong, we can see who he is by his actions or inaction. He is a dangerous communist/socialist fraud that HATES America and he is tearing her down, w/ the help of traitors.

          • Bob666

            Well Nads,
            It would appear the agressive is taking over the passive. What is it like to be so miserable and hateful?

          • Justsomeguy151

            You would know, hypocrite. You hate all that is good and American and have allied yrself w/ a Kenyan fraud who hates you and yr nation and is well on his way to murdering both of you. Yet you LOVE yr enslaver and would die for him. No worry, soon it will come to that.

          • Bob666

            Yo 151,

            Pretty stong comments there son. Perhaps you explain in a bit of detail just how you have come to the conclusion?

            If by chance, the “Kenyan fraud who hates you” is Obama-hate to tell you, but I did not vote for him.
            Please, feel free to explain-Humor is always welcomed.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Humor is welcomed when its due but yr bringing it w/ yr ridiculous defense of a Kenyan Usurper fraud. You sure have a lot of man-love for someone you allegedly didn’t vote for. Why?

          • Bob666

            OK 151,
            Well, As I suspected, you are all mouth and no substance.

          • Bob666

            Well 151, I really would like you to give me an expample of my “man-love” for the guy that I did not vote for. Some help with my “ridiculous defense” would be good as well.

            Please let me know as I feel like I am Waiting for the punch line of a joke here………………………

          • Jana

            Karolyn, at every turn he defends Islam. At every turn he supports Islam even up to and over American standards.
            He has now decided to back off on the war on terror if he ever called it terror.
            Look at the Fort Hood terrorist. He is still receiving full pay and benefits while his victims are struggling. All because Obama refuses to call it terrorism but decided it is workplace violence.
            I do not respect Obama’s decisions most of the time as they seem unfair most of the time.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jana,

            After 9-11, one of the really good things that “W” did was to suround him-self with Muslim leaders and support Islam as a religion.

            Does that mean that Bush was Muslim or supported Islam over Christianity? Personally, I do not Believe that Obama is a Musim. Yes, I know that he went to a Madrasa when he lived in Indonesian, but I went to a catholic school in Italy because the church ran the school system and I am not Catholic.

            Isalm has been a target her in the US after 9-11 and there have been many attacks on several mosque since. Could it be that he is trying to moderate the hate that many have for Islam?

          • Jana

            Bush was trying to make sure that the Muslims were not crucified or attacked by the American people much like the Japanese were here in this country after WW2.

            I do believe Obama has deep Muslim roots and he feels strongly in those roots. He knows some of the right words to say to sound like a Christian but his actions still look like a Muslim. Only God truly knows, and only God can be his judge, certainly not me. I just know that he said himself, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

            This is what makes us suspect him.

          • Bob666

            Jana,
            A Question, have you read his book?

            This is the actual quote from page 261:

            “Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

            I am very disapointed.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Which one? Here is an article about how his administration is out of control. This one is about Holder.
            http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/23/ag-holder-personally-authorized-fox-news-surveillance/
            I guess that Holder, Hitlery, and Obama bin Laden is feeling some well deserved heat. Here is an article showing why Stevens may have been killed. Could it be he was trying to buy back the stinger missles sold to Al-Queda by Obama bin Laden?
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/new-benghazi-whistleblowers-stevens-was-involved-in-buyback-of-stinger-missiles-from-al-qaeda/
            I guess that Hitlery and Obama bin Laden tried to cover their tracks, but were caught. Now let’s have the punishment fit the crime. Some years at Guantannamo would be good. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
            Patrick Henry
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Jana

            hahaha Maybe that is why Obama is so gung ho to shut down Guantanamo.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            D’oh! :-) :-) :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
            Ronald Reagan

          • Bob666

            Yes Sammy,

            “Here is an article showing why Stevens may have been killed”

            Another one of your facts????????

            Gutzon Borglum,
            Sculptor and painter. Most famous for his colossal Mt. Rushmore national memorial
            in the Black Hills of South Dakota.
            Howard Lodge No. 35, New York City, serving as W. Master 1910-1911.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Are you telling me it isn’t possible? Need to wake up and smell the coffee Bob. If you think that Hitlery and Obama bin Laden are not capable of doing these things, then you need to come back to reality. Just like Bill “Do a Lewinsky” had Elian Gonzales taken, the Branch Dividians killed, and the Ruby Ridge incident, these things are possible. Here is another example of rats deserting the sinking ship.
            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/morning-examiner-liberals-turn-on-holder/article/2530459
            What else is new Bob? I guess that they still remember his hand in the Fast and Furious nonsense that got a boarder agent killed. BTW, he was responsible for that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “The great pillars of all government and of social life are virtue, morality, and religion (Christianity). This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible.”
            Patrick Henry
            Letter to Archibald Blair. January 8, 1799.
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            OH Sammy,

            “Are you telling me it isn’t possible.?

            No, What I am saying is that I will wait for the facts. Otherwise, it is just spectulation-Nothing more.

            “Need to wake up and smell the coffee Bob”

            Every morning and it smells G-R-E-A-T!!!!!!!!!!

            James Bowie,
            Famous American frontiersman, died at the Alamo.
            Humble Cottage Lodge No. 19, Opelousas, Louisiana.

          • Jana

            Bob, if it were up to the Obama admin. there would be no more ‘facts’ forthcoming.

          • Jana

            Very interesting. I have heard it being alluded to before from other sources.
            The White House is doing its best to keep this quiet, and now to divert everyone’s attention to something else. IT ISN’T GOING TO WORK! ******

            The former diplomats inform PJM the new revelations
            concentrate in two areas — what Ambassador Chris Stevens was actually doing in Benghazi and the pressure put on General Carter Ham, then in command of U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) and therefore responsible for Libya, not to act to protect jeopardized U.S. personnel.

            Stevens’ mission in Benghazi, they will say, was to buy back Stinger missiles from al-Qaeda groups issued to them by the State Department,
            not by the CIA. Such a mission would usually be a CIA effort, but the intelligence agency had opposed the idea because of the high risk involved in arming “insurgents” with powerful weapons that endanger
            civilian aircraft.

            Hillary Clinton still wanted to proceed because, in part, as one of the diplomats said, she wanted “to overthrow Gaddafi on the cheap.”

            This left Stevens in the position of having to clean up the scandalous enterprise when it became clear that the “insurgents” actually were al-Qaeda – indeed, in the view of one of the diplomats, the same group that attacked the consulate and ended up killing Stevens.

            Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/new-benghazi-whistleblowers-stevens-was-involved-in-buyback-of-stinger-missiles-from-al-qaeda/#ixzz2UQhK6mPP

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Well said and thanks for the article. Here is what Obama bin Laden thinks. He thinks working with one terrorist organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, will help us beat other terrorists.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/obama-claims-that-working-with-muslim-brotherhood-will-bring-victory-over-terrorism/
            I guess he still must be smoking the same crack he did back in the day. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Religion (Christianity) is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man towards God.”
            Gouverneur Morris
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • JUKEBOX

            We have never had a President that spent much of his young life being indoctrinated in a religion that historically has decimated other religions from Asia to Europe. Since he has lied so much about his life beginning in his early 20’s, how much is his veracity affected about anything he says today? Have you ever heard “Trust but verify”? It is hard to trust anything Obama says, beginning with “If you like your doctor or insurance, you will be able to keep it”, if you will be able to afford it.

          • Jana

            Bob, you may be disappointed, but the winds have shifted in an ugly direction all right. We are being attacked within our own borders by the Muslims, and some of our own ‘home grown’ Muslims, and Obama is still standing with them, refusing to call it terrorism. He is calling it “workplace violence, Fort Hood. He is calling it everything but terrorism and protecting the terrorist even when it is found that they are going out of this country to be taught from radical Imams how to be little terrorists and bombers so they can come back to this country and do their dastardly deeds.

            I am disappointed in Obama’s reactions. He is standing with the Muslims, and it HAS taken an ugly turn against us and the United States.

          • Jana

            BobThis is one of the reasons there is a division between Muslims and non Muslims. They are NOT being treated as they should. When someone comes in to our country and places bombs to cause damage, mutilation, and death to our citizens on our streets and they are not treated as terrorists, then we start suspecting all of the Muslims. This would and could be stopped if the perpetrators were prosecuted as terrorists and it would also help the Muslim community.

            We see many Muslims coming out against these radicals, but they are doing so at their own peril because these radicals know how to hurt them too. If Obama would treat these radicals as they should be treated it would also protect the innocent Muslim community and make them feel safer too, so they could start feeling safer to assimilate into our society.

            As it is, how can they truly feel safe? Our courts still uphold Sharia Laws in their communities. How could a woman come forth and ask for help when she knows she won’t get it? She will be told she is under Sharia Law in her Community. She may live in the United States, but she still lives under Islamic Laws supported by our own Government. This is an outrage! This is wrong, but as long as we close our eyes to their plight and this problem then we are allowing our Government to promote terrorism in our own country as Obama says******” and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” ***

            Obama really isn’t standing with the good honest and decent Muslim community here in the United States, he is standing against them, and standing for the RADICAL Muslims that would tear down our country.

          • Bob666

            Jana,
            I’m not sure that you understand exactly why I am Disappointed.

          • Jana

            Ok, Why are you disappointed?

          • Ringgo1

            What about his public reference to “My muslim faith”? What about his public statement that he would side with muslims in any conflict? What about it, Karolyn? Hmmm?

          • FreedomFighter

            “Make no mistake about it, the FEMA Camps were not built for the coming hordes of illegal aliens that FEMA claims they were built for. They were built for veterans, constitutionalists, Libertarians, but most of all, they were built for the Christians.

            http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/05/26/i-live-in-sodom-and-you-live-in-gomorrah/

            Islam is the army of the Satanists to be used to destroy Christians, Israel and bring in the Light of Lucifer upon the world. — see the writings of Albert Pike

            Laus DeoSemper FI

          • WTS/JAY

            Why not, Karolyn? What could be so wrong with having a Muslim-president? We’ve had Christian-presidents, why not a Muslim-president?

            One would think that, with all the praises you sing for Islam and Muslims, that you would be ecstatic with the idea of having a Muslim-president…? Yet, you seem to express an aversion and sheer horror when some assert as much. Interesting!

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.keyes.56 William Keyes

    I agree, Muslims must go.

    • FreedomFighter

      Radical Islam is a dark reminder of why you don’t give chimps machine guns.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • WTS/JAY

        Ann Barnhardt Islamic Sexuality A Survey of Evil Part 3 of 4 YouTube (warning -very graphic)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gNb8s5D4T2k#!

        • FreedomFighter

          “Fight them or die”, never more true words spoken. As I said in another post, Islam is the army of Satan to be used to destroy Israel and Christians.
          Laus DeoSemper FI

          • WTS/JAY

            Indeed! But i think many heads will roll (pun intended) before people will wake from their slumber and fight back against these sons of bitch*s! I say we drive them back into the sea and drown the whole lot!

          • WTS/JAY

            Indeed! But i think many heads will roll (pun intended) before people will wake from their slumber and fight back against these sons of bitch*s! I say we drive them back into the sea and drown the whole lot!

        • Katrael

          I watched that and it’s almost impossible to believe, but I do believe it. I also read FreedomFighter’s post below and I have to agree. If not stopped, these people would not only destroy everyone who wasn’t a Muslim, but they would destroy each other after they were through with everyone else. They truly have a culture of death.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Here are some articles/videos showing how this cult, not a religion, operates.
        http://www.westernjournalism.com/islamic-terror-in-london/
        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/10957/ft-hood-terrorist-still-drawing-full-pay-3-%c2%BD-years-later-thanks-to-obama/
        Here is one by Michelle Malkin. I like reading her articles.
        http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/24/obamas-bloody-recipe-for-more-benghazis/

        There are many more, but it would take too long to list them all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “The cultivation of the religious sentiment represses licentiousness, inspires respect for law and order, and gives strength to the whole social fabric.”
        Daniel Webster
        Patriotic American
        Devout Christian

  • WTS/JAY

    Afghan Students Rally For God-Given Right to Beat Women and Marry Child Brides

    This must be part of that Afghanistan success story Obama was talking about.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/afghan-students-rally-for-god-given-right-to-beat-women-and-marry-child-brides/

    • Jana

      And they want to bring this great (NOT) false religion over here and make Sharia part of our laws. YUCK!

      http://www.thegatewaypundit.co

      Afghans chant slogans during a demonstration in Kabul, Afghanistan,
      Wednesday, May, 22, 2013. More than 200 male students protested in front of Kabul University on Wednesday against a decree, which includes a ban on child marriage and forced marriage, making domestic violence a crime and saying that rape victims cannot be prosecuted for adultery.(AP/Ahmad Jamshid)

      Hundreds of enlightened Afghan students marched in Kabul on Wednesday for their god-given right to beat women and marry child brides.

      AsiaNet reported, via Religion of Peace:

      More than 200 male students protested in Kabul yesterday against women’s rights, calling for the repeal of a presidential decree on the ‘Elimination of Violence Against Women’, which they say is un-Islamic.

      The decree bans child and forced marriage, makes domestic violence a crime and says that rape victims cannot be prosecuted for adultery. It also outlaws “ba’ad,” a traditional practice of exchanging women or
      girls to settle disputes or debts.

      The protest came days after conservative lawmakers blocked an attempt to turn the decree into law.

      Mawladad Jalali, the mullah of the university mosque, was one of the
      protest’s organisers. Yesterday, he called for parliament to repeal the
      decree. Demonstrators slammed the decree “imposed by foreigners” for violating Sharia.

      • WTS/JAY

        And despite all the evidence, the left keeps calling it; a religion of peace…? But then again, the very same call abortion/murder, “choice”. It is no surprise then, that they would support and cheer for a religion that beats, sexualy-mutilates and degrades their women, considers pedophilia to be normal and a right bestowed by their god, and butchers anyone who disagrees or resists Islam. Perhaps the Democratic-party in America should change their name to the “Muslim-party of America…?

  • APOSTLE1

    If Sandyhook calls for gun control shouldnt 9/11 or any other Muslim Mayhem call for Muslim control?

    • Justsomeguy151

      But Muslims didn’t do 9-11 and even Sandy Hoax was a false flag. Where’s all the footage of this kid in body armor w/ weapons? Or breaking into the school? Or shooting anything? Its a lie. They could release some evidence w/out any bloody dead kids but they haven’t. Why? Because it doesn’t exist. some hit squad pulled this and only God knows why. To outrage us enough to give away our guns? Maybe. All I know for sure is that the official story is a lie.

      • Karolyn
        • Justsomeguy151

          I’m skeptical of everybody, ESPECIALLY the LSM. These are the same scum that trumpet from the rooftops about Sandy Hoax but are silent whenever a civilian saves lives using a gun; or when a black abortion doctor murders babies born alive and his patients; or when the hopelessly corrupt Fraud-in-Chief commits treason repeatedly. Yeah, you can believe those scum like a zombie would. I’m intelligent enough to do my own research.

          • WTS/JAY

            Agreed!

  • Motov

    If islam likes to call itself the religion of peace, I say it is a religion of pieces as often times they like using bombs that support my claim.
    They will never be compatible with non muslim people, and certainly never compatible even with themselves, as the Sunnis and Shiites have proven that point.
    We should start acting the example they shown us.

    • Katrael

      Motov, it’s interesting that you said, “They will never be compatible with non muslim people, and certainly
      never compatible even with themselves, as the Sunnis and Shiites have
      proven that point.” Ishmael is credited with the beginning of Islam and here’s what the bible has to say about Ishmael:

      Gen 16:7 And the Messenger of יהוה found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur,
      Gen 16:8 and He said, “Haḡar, Sarai’s female servant, where have you come from, and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of Sarai, my mistress.”
      Gen 16:9 And the Messenger of יהוה said to her, “Return to your mistress, and humble yourself under her hand.”
      Gen 16:10 And the Messenger of יהוה said to her, “I am going to increase your seed greatly, too numerous to be counted.”
      Gen 16:11 And the Messenger of יהוה said to her, “See, you are conceiving and bearing a son, and shall call his name Yishmaʽĕl, because יהוה has heard your affliction.
      Gen 16:12 “And he is to be a wild man, his hand against every one and every one’s hand against him, and dwell over against all his brothers.”

  • WTS/JAY

    Norwegian Muslims want be-headings for failing to observe the fast in Islamic schools.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ZllIoagsQ

  • WTS/JAY

    Sam Harris on Islam the Religion of Peace…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E1u9lQeAsY

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama Admits He Is A Muslim…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

  • WTS/JAY

    TERROR in Europe: Radical ISLAM spreads in Germany, stick to S
    audi supported Hardline…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAfhkMJk5g

  • WTS/JAY

    ‘Islamization’ of Paris a Warning to the West – CBN.com…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7oezVO1Bk

  • WTS/JAY

    Islamic Sharia Law Comes to Great Britain – CBN.com…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjPc2P7ILs

  • WTS/JAY

    Dispatches: Britain’s Islamic Republic
    New evidence shows that certain Muslim groups in the UK, while claiming to be moderate and tolerant, are actually working to overthrow the British government and establish Sharia law! Where in the world did these Muslims get the idea that they should deceive unbelievers and pretend to be friendly, all with the goal of conquering them? (Hint: Read the Qur’an and Hadith.)

    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/03/dispatches-britains-islamic-republic.html

  • WTS/JAY

    Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

    Obama: Bowing, Scraping and Praising
    -by Denis Schulz 18 Apr, 2009

    Well, if the President said ‘so’, he must have meant it. When FDR said ‘he hated war’, he wasn’t just making conversation; he hated war more than he hated the Depression. When Harry Truman called Molotov a liar, he was angry and in earnest. When Old Hickory said he regretted not shooting Henry Clay or hanging John C. Calhoun everyone took him at his word.

    Similarly, when Barack Obama praised Islam’s contributions to civilization he must have meant it. He just wouldn’t make it up. It was probably one of the first things he learned in Madrassas School.

    And the “bowing”, well, the chances are even Danny DeVito would have curtsied to Prince Abdullah if he had learned what Obama learned in that Indonesian blab school.

    Would Abe Lincoln have bowed to Abdullah? Would a prairie lawyer make an obeisance to a desert Sheikh? Not likely. Old Abe might have measured heights with the Prince. They would have stood, back to back—a sort of bloodless duel. Lincoln liked to do things like that, but he would never have bowed.

    Of course, Obama’s bow wasn’t a bow—it was more like a genuflection without the bended knee part, like a lackey would make to Henry VIII while hurrying Ann Boleyn’s head to the graveyard. But if the President says it wasn’t a bow, it wasn’t a bow. Maybe Abdullah’s shoelace was untied and Obama didn’t have any other way of telling him.

    The President didn’t go into the details of Islam’s contributions to civilization though they must have been considerable or he wouldn’t have bothered to mention them. Many of them—maybe all of them—are listed in 1001 Inventions Book: Muslim Heritage in Our World, a bestseller in the UK and if Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco ever gets wind of it required reading for grades K-12 in Serendipity Valley.

    The book is loaded with incredible eridentia. How many people in America know that Leonardo da Vinci got his ideas about flying machines from Muslims? Up till now Tom and Huck thought Leonardo was painting The Last Supper when a bat flew off with his turquoise, but it turns out it was Muslims and not the observations of bats that started the Old Master on the road to scientific discovery. Wilbur and Orville Wright wouldn’t have got off the ground without Islam.

    In the 1930s the Soviet Union claimed they invented ‘baizeball’ but now it appears they might have stolen the idea from Iran or Afghanistan.

    Qur’an: 38:27 “We have not created the heavens and earth and all that lies between for nothing.” That takes in a lot of territory.

    Those who have read 1001 Inventions Book have been impressed. Most of the reviews have been positive. “Who would have thought,” wrote one reviewer, “that paper and gunpowder was brought to Europe by Muslims via the Muslim lands. Who would have thought it was in translation from Arabic, not the original Greek, that knowledge of Greek philosophy became prominent in Christian thought.”

    Icarus preceded Islam; China invented gunpowder; they also invented paper; and Islam rejected Greek philosophy.

    But Islam made great contributions to civilization and was instrumental, if not in the creation of the US Navy, but in its transition from a handful of armed tugboats into a fleet of first class warships. If it hadn’t been for all those pirate vessels swarming out of Algiers and Tunis and Tripoli in the 17th and 18th Centuries seizing American merchant ships in the Mediterranean and the along the coast of Northwest Africa and enslaving their crews, Thomas Jefferson would not have went along with the Big Navy advocates in the US Congress. The cry was “Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute!” And the Marine Corps anthem says “to the shores of Tripoli,” another Islamic contribution to America! Will it never end?

    Ms. Bettany Hughes, a renowned British TV presenter, was ecstatic in her praise of 1001 Inventions. “I am absolutely delighted to support the 1001 Inventors Project.” The book is being used to promote Islam in the UK.

    “This is scintillating and original initiative and incredibly timed…Of course, the tragedy of much of Muslim Heritage is that it was burnt in 1492 in Spain, over one million Muslim texts were set into the fires.” That darn Queen Isabella!

    “I think we are going to see a phoenix rise from the ashes,” said Hughes. Rise! Rise, O Phoenix!

    Book burnings were popular long before 1492. The Great Library at Alexandria was destroyed in 641 AD. The Christians have always blamed the Muslims but recent ‘historical’ research claims it was rogue Christians that applied the torch. Robert W. Mosimann of the University of Minnesota Press disagrees. In his review of God’s Crucible: Islam and the making of Europe, 570-1215 by David Lewis, Mosimann took a good whack at the new myth. Mohammed issued the order to destroy the library at Alexandria says Mosimann, and the order was preserved by a respected Islamic judge and exists to this day.

    In the words of the Prophet: If the library contained works in accordance with Islam, they were not needed and should be destroyed and if they contained works at variance with Islam they should be burned. It was no easy task. It took six months to destroy the books. It was not the only time Mohammed ordered the burning of a library. From Alexandria to India the Greek classics went up in flames. The Main Christian Library at Constantinople, containing 250,000 books, was destroyed…

    http://www.islam-watch.org/DenisSchulz/Obama-Bowing-Scraping-Praising.htm