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The Real Victim

June 2, 2011 by  

The Real Victim

As the killer was led from the courtroom last week, there was no epic roar of outrage from the gallery. As he shuffled down the hallway, only a few reporters made halfhearted attempts to glean some insight.  As he stumbled (hindered by the back brace he wears), there were shrieks of neither comfort nor condemnation. There were no media outside on the courthouse steps to cover the massive crowds which had gathered to shout their disapproval at this terrible miscarriage of justice; truth be told, there was no massive crowd. The corporate media at the national level barely noticed the story, and mentions were passing at best.

So the killer goes to prison; and we all go on with the rest of our lives.

It has been two years since Jerome Ersland killed Antwun “Speedy” Parker. Now Ersland, having been found guilty of the charge of murder in the first degree, will spend the rest of his life behind bars. Suppress your urge to celebrate. Ersland isn’t some predatory monster, trolling the vast fields of innocent victims for a blood fix. He isn’t cracked-out vermin, blazing into some convenience store and leaving a pile of bodies in return for $50 and a six-pack. Ersland is a disabled war veteran who worked at the Reliable Pharmacy in Oklahoma City, Okla.  A somewhat pudgy 59-year-old who would elicit nary a second glance from most of us, Ersland is hardly the stuff of crime stories, special reports and courtroom dramas.

On May 19, 2009, Ersland went from unassuming pharmacist to killer. Just before 6 p.m., 16-year-old Antwun and a 14-year-old accomplice rolled into the Reliable Pharmacy, waving guns and demanding cash and drugs. Ersland’s co-workers escaped through a back entrance. Ersland, unable to flee due to crippling disability, fought back. Ersland shot Antwun first, and then chased Antwun’s accomplice for a short time before returning to find Antwun was still alive. A terrified Ersland retrieved a second weapon and emptied it into Antwun, killing him.

Just less than a minute had passed since Antwun and his accomplice entered the store. The would-be robber Antwun was dead, and his accomplice was in the wind. A few days later, a crowd of Antwun’s acquaintances created a near-riot at the Reliable Pharmacy, hurling racist insults at Ersland while he worked behind the same counter at which he was standing when Antwun had pointed a gun at him. Then, the local District Attorney decided to charge Ersland with murder in the first degree, based on the video footage of Ersland dispatching Antwun with the second volley.

Ersland, who put his life on the line for a nation that rarely offers its veterans the gratitude they deserve, was facing not only the incomprehensible wrath of the very community which unleashed filth like Antwun upon him, but also the full weight of the justice system.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People didn’t race to Oklahoma City to stand behind Ersland in his time of need. Ben and Jerry’s™ didn’t donate a portion of its socially conscious ice cream sales to his defense fund. ESPN didn’t show up with a camera crew to produce a tenderhearted documentary short on Ersland’s battle for justice. The American Civil Liberties Union, the Innocence Project and Amnesty International were all conspicuously absent. There was no benefit rock concert, no exhortation from a cultural icon, no full-page ad in The New York Times signed by all the proper Hollywood stars.

There are no tales of Ersland harboring a deep-seated animus toward black people and no accounts of his membership in a hate group. Ersland is merely a man who left behind the life in which death shadows each step, only to discover death had followed him home. Pressed against the thin pane which separates the here-and-now from the hereafter, Ersland chose to live — even if that meant taking the life of the person who threatened his. For the crimes of refusing to be another victim, refusing to be the lead story on the evening news and refusing to give up his life to one of the ticks who feed ravenously on the blood of society, Ersland has been cast out forever.

So the victim goes to jail, and we all go on with the rest of our lives.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • JeffH

    Ben is correct, this man, Jerome Ersland, is a victim. He did society a favor by “disposing” of any threat that Antwun Parker had left in is body and soul. This is a travesty and there is a huge backlash of support gaining momentum to reverse the decision of 1st degree murder. There should have been only one of two choices for a verdict, manslaughter or justifiable homicide.

    During Ersland’s trial, his lawyer, Irven Box, claimed the shooting was self-defense. He said Parker was still moving and was still a threat. “He eliminated the armed robber,” Box said in court.

    “This defendant was absolutely not defending himself or anyone else,” Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Chance told the jury.

    “Acting in self-defense or in defense of another person is generally accepted as legal justification for killing a person in situations that would otherwise have been murder. However, a self-defense killing might be considered manslaughter if the killer established control of the situation before the killing took place. In the case of self-defense it is called a “justifiable homicide”.

    The jury deliberated for more than four hours before it found Ersland guilty and recommended a sentence of life in prison for the former Air Force lieutenant colonel.

    Since last week’s verdict, supporters of Ersland have collected nearly 10,000 signatures on a petition calling for his release. Oklahoma State Sen. Ralph Shortey (R) also pledged his assistance.

    “I’m gonna spend the rest of my career, however long it may be, trying to right this wrong,” Shortey told ABC News.

    There is a group on Facebook who put up a website titled “Jerome Ersland should not have been found guilty”, the group has more than 3,000 members.

    Watch the pharmacy video to see what happened.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBBlEhmWNQ&feature=player_embedded

    • Pete

      Jeff,

      I’m not a firearm owner, firearms scare the hell out of me ! I’ll never own or use a firearm ! Call me Nuts ! But I am a lifetime member of the NRA. This is a very very disturbing video. This Ersland guy fetches a second handgun (how big an arsenal did he have ?) and goes to the lower right of this video. That’s where young Antwun’s body is … and Ersland pumps another 5 rounds into him. Was the kid’s gun even loaded ? Very disturbing video.

      Ersland had a right to defend himself. Ersland did not initiate this deadly confrontation. From what I can see Ersland perceived a threat and eliminated it. I think Ersland should be freed and found not guilty. That’s what happened. Remember – Mr. Ersland DID NOT initiate the deadly confrontation. He perceived a continued threat – and eliminated that threat.

      What the heck was wrong with that jury ?

      • BKWsr

        This is what has been happening to our saciaty since the mid 60′s. These groups of people who think its our faught that they are criminals. Its sociaty that made them this way. Not them. Its all part of the distruction of our justice system. Away to say if they did not have guns this would not have happened. This young poor kid was only in need of food. He wouldn’t hurt a fly. The District (Attorneys) are only intrested in his future political carear. They don’t care if you were right or wrong. Only that they win their case. The law no longer means any thing to them. It is time to fight back against the criminals, and these so called legal reps. The judges and attorneys who have forgotten what they stand for.

        • Push comes to shove

          Well said.
          We live in a society of win at all costs, damned be the consequences. Attorneys do it, it happens in most sports, in our work places. Our common sense morals do not prevail any more. Our moral decline has lead to the sense that it was not my fault because i was abused or what ever. Look at the current case of Casey Riley whose defense for killing her little girl was i was abused by my father.

          People have choices to make in thier lives, you can chose to do bad or you can chose to do good. If you chose wrong you should pay (hopefully not with your life) not your abuser or the person who caught you.

          What a tragedy / travesty

          • Kate8

            Push – How said that when we are left to make flash decisions during a moment of extreme, life-threatening crisis, our lives can be destroyed if the system later decides it doesn’t agree with your choice.

            Would it have had a different outcome if the robber had been of a different skin-tone? One can’t help but wonder that, and also who was sitting on that jury. Were they putting themselves in that same situation, or were they secretly deciding to right some perceived past collective wrong.

            It’s pathetic that we have to even consider such things today. PC would insist that it go unmentioned. We witness so much injustice at the hands of the “system” (or when they look the other way) that many have simply detached themselves from the plights of others.

            This is sickening and outrageous. We need to pray that this man be released.

            Sadly, he is only one of many victims of gross miscarriage of justice.

          • Push comes to shove

            I hope skin has nothing to do with it, but you never know. There are still some neanderthals running around in this world. I have been in situations that i have felt were life threatening, in one case a man was trying to forcibly enter my house (he was an agry drunk). I had one hand on the front door and my second hand on the slide action of my shotgun. Boy was the adrenaline pumping. In this mans case of being disabled i do not blame him one iota for making sure this scum would not manage to get up and try again.

            Maybe the governor of OK will see the wrong done here and provide a pardon.

        • http://RenderRanch.com Zermoid

          Poor Kid? If the kid was so poor and starving then how did he buy the gun he pointed at this guy to try to rob him?
          Go Prices Guns!
          They aren’t cheap.
          I carry a 1911A1 for protection, it is the most expensive thing I own next to my home and truck, and the shape the truck is in that might be debatable.

          I do believe this man was guilty of Manslaughter, possibly a lower degree of murder even, but not murder 1, doesn’t that infer premeditation and planning to kill someone?
          His only “planning” was to have the means to protect himself, the Kid as you call him instigated this encounter, the initial shooting was the kids fault and was in defense.

          Coming back and finishing him off was wrong. I just don’t think it was 1st degree murder,

      • JeffH

        Pete, well said. There isn’t a fine line between vigilante-ism and self defense unless you’re a bleeding heart like the DA in this case.
        I guess Oklahoma has it;s share of sheep just like the rest of the nation.

        Gotta wonder if he got a note, a job offer and a hoo-rah from Holder?

        • Pete

          Jeff,

          It’s possible ! A good example of “job security”. Maybe Holder has a job for this DA after the 2012 election, if Obama wins ? That sure would explain much if it happens !

      • Larry

        From what I understand of self defense law, it’s self defense as long as the original attack is taking place. If the attacker is wounded and on the ground unable to continue or resume the attack shooting him while he’s on the ground is no longer self defense. Personally I would not have charged Ersland with any crime, but what he did was technically wrong.

        My belief is that you use the biggest gun you can handle well, have reloads available, use the best expanding ammunition you can get, and shoot the sucker as many times as he needs shot. If his unarmed buddy gets away, too bad, but don’t go back for more on the one who’s down. In most places chasing someone down and shooting them is a separate assault no matter whether or not they were earlier attacking you or not.

        Get a good .45 ACP, some good spare magazines, load ‘em all up with good hollow point ammunition, learn how to shoot, then take care of business.

        • DaveH

          Technically, you’re right Larry. But what have we come to when the perpetrators of a crime are given every advantage? They can initiate an action, then when they see they’re outgunned, they can just say “I give” or run and everything’s okay? That puts the surprised victims at a severe disadvantage.
          And the police sure don’t abide by those rules. If the perp so much as reaches for a weapon, they will gun him down without blinking. Why is that? Why does the Government set up us ordinary citizens to be victims, but do everything they can to prevent themselves from being victims?
          I think Government doesn’t really want to end crime because if they did, they would be out of a job.

          • granny mae

            Dave H

            I agree with you. If it had been a cop and the guy was still moving and a threat the cop would have shot again without a doubt, and rightly so. However a civilian seems to be a different story. It is easy to sit in judgement of someone when you have no threat to you at all and say this or that is right or wrong, but if they had been in that drug store at the time they may have seen the situation in a different light ! This man was in the military and his education in self defence is pounded in to them right from the beginning and they must learn it or know they will die if they don’t. Then they come home and somewhere down the road some stupid erogant person walks in to your work place and threatens your life and you are suppose to forget everything you were taught and react in a way that is politically correct . Never mind the guy that came in that door was fully ready to do you some great bodily harm at any moment and for no good reason what so ever. Do I feel sorry for the dead guy? Not on your life, he got exactly what he had comming to him. If he had never come into that drug store with the intentions he had he would be alive today. It is his own fault he is dead and no-one elses ! They should turn mr. Ersland free and give him a medal for serving his country twice !

        • lkar

          What about the shooters training? As military veteran, his training in a volatile tactical situation would be different than police training. Even a citizen with no training would have a much different response. I wonder if the defense attorney tried to cast justifiable doubt based on civilian training (thus the expected outcome)verses military training (the actual outcome). Did the jury even consider their duty to NOT find guilt if there is any reasonable doubt! But in the end, who initiated the life and death situation? That is the person responsible!!!

        • vicki

          The info that would have shown the Jury that Parker was still a threat was not in the video we were shown. Hence we have to go with the testimony of the only available witness. Mr. Ersland. Since none of us were in the courtroom we don’t know how he testified. That he did shoot Mr Parker implies to us that Mr. Ersland did see Parker as a threat.

          Since we know that Parker had a gun, was willing and had used it, and we don’t know that Parker was neutralized by the initial shots that apparently hit him the evidence presented shows the jury to be in error. Parker was still a treat and Mr Ersland was not guilty of murder by reason of self defense.

          • granny mae

            vicki

            Right ON !

          • Vicki

            Update. We do NOT know that parker had a gun. The video does not show him brandishing one. It is the other perp who brandishes a gun.

            This does NOT mean that parker was unarmed. The evidence that parker was still a threat is in the actions of Mr Ersland as seen in the video. At first Mr Ersland shows no concern for his safety with respect to parker but as Ersland approached parker Mr Ersland opens fire indicating that parker had done something to indicate he was AGAIN a threat to Mr Ersland.

      • EddieW

        When you shoot a guy in the head, and he is lying on the floor unconscious, he is not moving around, and his getting another weapon, and shooting him 5 more times is vindictiveness!!! You don’t have the right, even under self defense to shoot a many lying unconsious on the ground from a previous shot…he shot in ANGER!! not in Self defense!!! Plus he chased after the other guy, to kill him too!! I can uinderstand his anger, if someone comes at me with a gun, and threatens my life, yes I’m angry!!, but smart enough to shoot enough to stop his attack, and nothing more!! Then…call an ambulance, as though hoping he is still alive…shows you have interest in a fellow human being, and courts go easier on you!!

        • JC

          As much as I despise criminals, especially criminal maggots with guns…I tend to agree. Mr. Ersland did not have to re-enter the store at all, let alone walk past the wounded assailant and retrieve another gun.
          It’s just a damned shame that the initial shots weren’t enough to kill
          that piece of human filth.

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        Probably nothing really wrong with the jury. What is wrong is the law, and perhaps which points were presented by the defense. And the lack of common sense in the details of the law. Those who create laws are not usually full of common sense anymore!

        The problem is our laws now are so constrained by the legal system they no longer make good sense, and, as here, victims are punished. They are unreasonably expected to know in any and every emergency the finest points of the law, and common sense is tossed out the window.

        It is too bad that those who create these laws do not themselves have to confront real-life live guns and real life criminals BEFORE they write their laws in their ivory chambers.

      • Andrew

        it is the horrible state that our country is in. a person, defending his and other innocent people’s lives, becomes the victim. he should have beem given the key to the city and proclaimed a hero. how many other innocent people’s lives would have been effected by this criminal, if he got away with this armed robbery. to bad he only had 5 bullets to put into that slime opn the floor.

    • vagabond

      the district attorny and the assistant both should be dissbarred and charged with dereliction of duty for even bringing charges against this man. there duty is to protect the people from SCUM like antwun and his partner. yet they chose to in effect side with antwun and the SCUMBAGS like him against the rest of the honest working people,that’s the reason the JUSTICE system is so screwed up. people like the didtrict attorny and his assistant. and the people who support SCUMBAGS like them.the people of Oklahoma should rise up and demand they be removed from office, I am William Nealey and I get so tired of reading about such SCUMBAGS being on the tax payers payroll,

    • Disgusted

      You are spot on. It is an injustice that this man was found guilty of 1st degree murder. He was defending himself! He should be given a medal not life in prison. One more scumbag off the streets…yeah!

      • Carolyn

        I agree. I hope that there will be a Mr Ersland or another hero around if I am ever in a situation with these no good thugs. This young boy would have killed anyone, without remorse, if he had the chance. If store owners shot more of them they might think twice about robbing peope.

    • Nancy Miller

      I hope that the ones who are trying to help Mr. Ersland don’t give up. Justice was not served in this case. I have been on seven juries and I don’t believe that a single jury that I served on would have found him guilty of anything but defending himself and others.

      The criminal got what he came looking for.

      I wonder how those people on that jury sleep at night.

      • BG

        I agree. I know that the Jury of 12 must have relatives and friends who are so ashamed of them! I can’t imagine why the DA ever charged Mr. Ersland with anything. His life has been ruined and all for what—-protecting himself and his fellow workers. He did do wrong in the additonal shots but he did it all in just a few seconds. No one knows how they would react in a situation like that. Now the mother of the dead boy is suing in a civil suit for 10,000 wrongful death!!!!! Unbelievable—she should be charged and have to pay some of Erslands legal fees.

        • Richard Pawley

          There was a somewhat similar case in Florida where the criminal was not killed but sued the store owner for his disability caused by the owner from the gun shot wound. What you are seeing here is a nation that has forgotten it’s God, the US Constitution, and the wisdom of the founding fathers, and is over-run with lawyers. (Isn’t it interesting that one political party is composed almost exclusively of lawyers while the other is composed of regular people of all kinds). In place of the Republic our founding fathers gave us we have allowed our government, with the help of many lawyers, to morph into a “Democracy” which has always been, and always will be, a temporary form of government (once the population understands that it can vote itself goodies out of the public treasury it is only a matter of time until that government is broke and a dictatorship of some kind takes over to quell the chaos that results). It’s why I quoted the Army times in “The Last Days of the Late Great United States and the Great Famine that Followed” and told of the 20,000 troops that they are training, for when that day arrives.
          As the Palestinians sang and danced in the street when the World Trade Center was attacked, and as they passed out candy a few months ago in celebration of their strike team that crossed over into Israel and cut the throats of a sleeping Israeli family (even the 3 month old child and this was discovered by the 12 year old daughter who was at a sleep over at a neighbors house) so they will continue to fight for the elimination of freedom in that part of the world. Sadly we have those in the media and in the schools here, educated by socialist teachers, who think that this is wonderful. As they support the Palestinian terrorists and blame Israel for the problems they cause, so they oppose our own country as well, and have taught our students to follow in their footsteps. Because some of them are union they cannot be fired. (NYC has about 200 unfit teachers who sit around all day, some collecting $100,000 of taxpayers money each year but who are not allowed contact with students for various reasons. Some read, some watch TV, one even runs a business from what some call the rubber room. In a normal society this would be considered insane but in an insane society this is consider normal). Los Angeles, spent over $3.5 million taxpayers dollars trying to fire seven unfit teachers but was only able to fire three of them.
          It will take a miracle from God to stop the deterioration and destruction that is coming to our nation as a result of our those who reject the laws of God, the basic civic principles of our founding fathers and sound financial practices. If the United States were a rich nation we wouldn’t have to have a national debt but then how would all those thousands who live off the nearly thousand million PER DAY we pay in interest on that debt get by.
          Considering that one state governor commuted the life sentences of all those on death row after he had irrefutable DNA proof that zealous prosecutors had sent a dozen innocent men to their death in his state I stated in my last book that any jury I am on will find me voting innocent. How can I possibly know if the prosecuting attorney is a just or honest man. They are all lawyers and worse yet politicians, and politics, as the ancient saint once said, “is God’s punishment to mankind for sin”. It is truly sad to see what is happening to this country but since we have the greatest Army on earth and spend more than all the others combined we can last longer than would otherwise be the case. That’s why they will have to continue printing dollars right up until the end and why WWIII may bring us back to full employment as WWII did.
          Hopefully some of these things can be avoided and it may take years for the others to come about but better to be years to early than one day to late. Hopefully the readers here are among those who are preparing for what is coming. May God bless all who read this because they are going to need every blessing they can get in the not-to-distant future.

        • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

          Yes, she raised him. She is responsible in some measure for how he turned out, and she should be tried for her supporting her son to murder by how she brought him up, and she should have to prove she did her best to raise him as a careful, loving, good citizen.

      • DaveH

        Judges routinely admonish jurors to rule only on whether the law was broken. But from common law we have the right as jurors to “nullify” a particular application of the law if we don’t think it’s right. The Judge cannot punish you for your “not guilty” verdict:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

        • aces and eights

          “Jury Nullification” is a very controversial topic. If the judge even suspects a juror will not follow the law in deciding a verdict the judge will most likely dismiss that juror.

          However, this is a right that we as citizen jurors have, and most of the time a conscience is more important than following the letter of the law, otherwise a computer could decide the fate of the accused based solely on the facts of law.

          My advice, if you are picked as a jurer is to keep mum about jury nullification, and base your decision on whether justice will be applied fairly regardless of what the law says.

          • DaveH

            I’m sure that’s good advice, Aces, but the Government thrives on the citizens keeping their mouths shut and going with the flow. Bullies in general depend on their victims being complacent.

        • vicki

          Not only is Jury Nullification our right but it is also our DUTY. It is the 3rd of the 4 boxes needed to defend freedom and justice (not “social justice”)

          If most of us knew about and believed in Jury Nullification 2 interesting things would be sure to happen.

          1. Many more people who just use recreational drugs would be acquitted.
          2. There would be too many of us for the jury selection process to get us off jury duty.

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            Far as I know, I have never been considered for jury selection. It may be folks knew my family and how I was brought up, and didn’t want me on a jury! I am sure the government would not want me on a jury!!

    • 1955thekeeper

      I’ll have to differ with everyone on this one. I am a State Correctional Officer and I have been elbow to elbow with some of the finest citizens this country has to offer. The vast majority of them have been slime balls and malcontent misfits bordering on out and out insane. Having said that I have to say that in the case of these two punks who decided to become productive adults and rob a pharmacist at gun point, they received their just rewards of resistance by the victim to their efforts to rob him right up to the point where (5) five additional rounds were pumped into the prone body of one of the would-be robbers. There should never be a defense of any kind mounted on the behalf of a person who fires a coup de grâce into the already incapacitated body of a perpetrator. It was a summary execution without the due process of law. Jerome Ersland stepped way over the line of 2nd Amendment rights when he produced a second weapon in order to shoot and kill his wounded attacker who was laying on the ground. It was wrong of him to do so plain and simple.

  • Karolyn

    There was no need to kill the kid if the kid was incapacitated. He has to live with the fact that he took a life, even if it was a thieve’s life. He could have held the gun on the kid and waited for help to arrive if there was more perceived danger. Unfortunately, justice was served. This is not the wild west. Even veterans commit crimes.

    • vagabond

      karolyn you still live in a fantasy land. yes there was a need and reason to rid the earth of the SCUMBAG antwun. Ersland did the community and the nation a great sercivce. but people like you would preferr the slimeball antwun be taken to the hospital and then just MAYBE do a little time costing the tax payer thousands of dollars for his hospital stay only to be released to go back to doing the same thing all over again, GET OFF THE KOOLAID,

      • Disgusted

        You are so right. He would have gotten medical treatment…on our dime. Served some time…probably not much…..on our dime. He would have been released and gone right back to robbing businesses and the second or third time he could kill an innocent person. I would say he got what he deserves, but Jerome didn’t. That man should be free and walking tall and proud.

        • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

          I must have missed it. Was he just moving and moaning in pain, or was he reaching for his gun? And was his gun where he could have reached it and killed his intended victim?

          I think those siding with the strict interpretation of the law need to find themselves in that situation, remembering that they would needs be handicapped themselves, so not able to escape in a hurry!

          I think there are a lot finer points in self-defense to be considered. And they are not covered from either side in this presentation. I get the feeling that some people feel it is open and shut case, but what was the mental state of the store guy? Etc.

      • Karolyn

        You seem to neglect the fact that there are laws against murder and manslaughter.

        • Isaac Davis

          You seem to neglect that there are laws against armed robbery and responding, in kind, to that threat.

          • Robert Smith

            But a self appointed judge, jury, and executioner is NOT what America is about.

            I would have been heartsick to find him guilty for dispatching the scum, but guilty he was. He was in no way immediately threatened. I watched the video and his actions were cold blooded murder by our laws.

            As gun owners we must be responsible.

            Rob

          • JeffH

            Manslauhter at the very worst, 1st degree murder and life in prison is wrong and a travesty in this case.

            Robert, have a gun shoved in your face and be threatened by someone like Parker and his criminal buddie and you will defend yourself…kill or be killed. Parker isn’t the victim here, he initiated the threat and payed the ultimate price, with his life. He will threaten no more.

          • Push comes to shove

            Mr. Smith,
            I am a responsible gun owner in Texas, and let me tell you someone who breaks into my home or place of business brandishing a weapon will not get any mercy from me. By commiting that act of pointing thier weapon at me they shown a total disregard for my safety and the safety of my family, friends, and/or co-workers. I will either take him down or die trying. How am i supposed to know what his intentions are, shoot first ask questions later in a case such as this. since he does not care about me means he does not care about others and will in all probability do this again and has done it before.

          • Kate8

            Leave it to the libs to side with the criminal.

            When people decide to commit armed robbery, they take on responsibility for the possible outcomes. One of those is that they are killed.

            By going ahead, they are agreeing to the risks. The robber bet the odds, and he lost.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, my thoughts exactly.

          • kodster

            Robert, I happen to agree with you. I’m not a bleeding-heart liberal, but I am a woman who interprets the law. Criminal Law was my first goal in my education pursuits, but alas, due to marriage and children coming into my life, it dropped to the wayside. However, I still study it. Ersland should not have been charged with 1st degree murder… he did not plan this attack, with malice of forethought. At the very least, voluntary manslaughter, because he had a choice at that point. Like you said, he could have held the gun on Antwun, taken any perceived threats (weapons, etc.) away from the vicinity of Antwun so that they could not be used against him, and waited for law enforcement to arrive to take over. Because Ersland emptied a second weapon with 5 shots, to dispatch Antwun, that is why he was charged with 1st degree murder. Even if you have a gun to protect your home, etc., if you chase the perpetrator out of the house, and off your property, that perpetrator is no longer a threat to your home, to your family, etc., but if you kill that perpetrator after the perceived threat is removed, then you are guilty of 1st degree murder. Ersland still perceived Antwun as a threat, but he could have been minimized at the point that Ersland killed him. So, this was considered aggravated. Therefore, the 1st degree murder charge. A split second decision that cost him his freedom.

            I applaud Ersland for doing what he did, but the letter of the law was followed, in this case. And that is what the jury convicted him on… the letter of the law.

          • jibbs

            Robert Smith says:
            June 2, 2011 at 8:58 am
            But a self appointed judge, jury, and executioner is NOT what America is about.

            I would have been heartsick to find him guilty for dispatching the scum, but guilty he was. He was in no way immediately threatened. I watched the video and his actions were cold blooded murder by our laws.

            As gun owners we must be responsible.

            Rob
            **********************************************************************
            Maybe if he had some book learning, he would have weighed the consequences of what could hapen if his crime of robberie went wrong.
            Kinda like going sky diving..if have to think about what could go wrong(parachute fails to open) THINK BEFORE YOU LEAP!! I

          • vicki

            Karolyn, Robert and others.

            Based on the video evidence presented (and what little was in the story) How can you possibly presume to know that the threat (parker) had been neutralized?

            Parker had a gun. Parker is not visible to us when Ersland approached. You can not possibly know that parker was incapacitated.

            What you can know is that an eyewitness determined that Parker was still a threat. That witness being Ersland.

            Since you have presented straw man arguments that Parker was incapacitated I will present the straw man argument that he was not and had raised the gun (that we know he had) and pointed it at Mr. Ersland. Mr. Ersland fired in self defense. (for the 2nd time in under a min) )

            I assert that the available facts support my argument and do not support yours.

          • Robert Smith

            Vicki makes a dumb argument when she says: “Since you have presented straw man arguments that Parker was incapacitated I will present the straw man argument that he was not and had raised the gun (that we know he had) and pointed it at Mr. Ersland. Mr. Ersland fired in self defense. (for the 2nd time in under a min)”

            It is NOT a “straw man” argument such that Jerome Ersland might have felt “threatened” immediately before he dispatched the perp with 5 rounds. He had TURNED HIS BACK as he went out for the second gun. That is not the action of a man worried about a perp plugging him. He had enough confidence that he wouldn’t be shot that he walked out, got the second gun, and came back and shot the perp.

            Did you actually watch the video?

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith says:
            “Vicki makes a dumb argument when she says:”

            Poorly hidden ad hominem attack. I accept the debate win.

            Robert Smith: “Did you actually watch the video?”

            Yes. Did you?

          • Vicki

            Btw Robert. You really should have pointed out that parker (the one shot) did not appear to have a gun in the video we saw. This does NOT mean he did not have a gun. Just that he was not seen on the video as having one.

            The perp who clearly had a gun is the one who ran away.

            This is why I asked if you had actually watched the video.

        • Isaac Davis

          antwan neglected the fact that there are laws against the use of deadly force in committing a crime. Antwan is the dumbass who chose the wrong person to perpetrate his crime against. Antwan must have been spawned by ignorant appeasers such as yourself, who would waste breath in his defense.

        • Carolyn

          You seem to “neglect the fact” that there are LAWS AGAINST ARMED ROBBERIES too! Maybe the next home invasion will be at your house and no one will get killed because you clearly don’t like the idea of self-defense. Oh wait, that would be different wouldn’t it? You and people just like you always take that side of the issue until you and people just like you are the victims of these thugs and creeps that roam our streets because the justice system protects the criminal! Like someone else already said. Get off the Kool-Aid.

          • Robert Smith

            Did you actually watch the video Carolyn? There was NO DANGER at the time he executed the perp.

            Yes, our system is broken.

            Yes, perps often get off on technicalities.

            Yes, people are allowed to defend themselves.

            But he wasn’t defending himself. The immediate danger had been neutralized. By our laws there was no reason for him to kill Antwan. The fact that I agree Antwan deserved what he got does not change the fact that he was murdered.

            We have a thing called “due process.” We aren’t allowed to make that up as we go along.

            And, it looks like at least 12 other Americans agree with me.

            Rob

          • JeffH

            Robert, how can you say, in good conscience, that Parker was STILL not a threat. The video doesn’t show anything that proves he wasn’t still a threat because you can not see him. Pure conjecture on your part as well as the DA and the jury. We’ve exchanged before and I’ve seen your fence strattling stance as a gun owner before. I didn’t buy into your “we must be responsible” and I don’t buy into your “we must be responsible now”.

            Parker was resonsible for his own demise the moment he brandished his firearm inside the pharmacy and threatened those people inside.

          • Kate8

            JeffH – If I were in that position, I’d be terrified out of my wits. I wouldn’t stop to analyze whether there was still imminent threat. I’d be operating under the assumption that the whole situation posed a threat, and adrenalin would be pumping.

            It’s easy to sit and make judgments about the acions of another from the comfort of one’s chair. From my limited experience with life-threatening situations, I can understand how one would act first, ask questions later. I may well have reacted the same way.

          • vicki

            Robert Smith writes:
            “Did you actually watch the video Carolyn? There was NO DANGER at the time he executed the perp.”

            You can not possibly know that from the video. Parker is not visible. The only known eyewitness saw parker as still being a threat. Based on the evidence provided, you 13 are in error.

        • Carolyn

          Seems there are a whole lot of us who can see what’s before us. Too bad you can’t see it.

          • BKWsr

            There is a old saying I heard once. That a conservative was once a liberal who had been rob or assalted.

          • Push comes to shove

            I wasn’t robbed or assualted, i just grew up and faced the facts of life through the eyes of a god fearing individual.

          • 45caliber

            BKW:

            Several years ago a liberal Congressman was mugged in the hall of his office building. The next day he wanted the punishment for mugging changed to the death penalty.

          • Kate8

            45, It’s not just the nature of the crime in itself, either. It’s the feeling of personal invasion.

            Years ago, when my sister was stationed in Albequerque, NM, she came home to find her house completely emptied. She was not harmed, but the feeling of being assaulted was so bad she had to move.

            Imagine how much worse it is when one is actually, physically assaulted and/or threatened.

        • libertytrain

          Frankly, I hope none of us ever has to experience what this pharmacist did, but if we do, I think we will find that the fear factor and other emotions we suddenly find ourselves experiencing will cause us to do things we never expected we would or could do.

          • JeffH

            BINGO! :)

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–Very true.

        • DaveH

          So what do you think then, Karolyn, of Obama’s unlawful military actions in Libya which have resulted in the killing of many innocent victims? Is murder somehow okay because it comes at the order of a President?

          • JeffH

            Hear Hear!

          • jibbs

            Well said daveH,
            She is in deep thought(dead silence) oops, you just overheated her brain

          • DaveH

            I doubt it, Jibbs. I’m sure she will respond with some kind of pollyanish comment.

          • karolyn

            Dave – I support helping repressed people to achieve freedom, and we have no troops on the ground there; however, I don’t think we need to be there. I also do not support our troops being in Afghanistan either. Contrary to what you might think, Obama is not my idol! I really never said anything to give anybody that impression. I do support some of his actions but not all. I do not believe he is the anti-christ though.

      • Bob

        Vagabond: If you have read any of Karolyn’s posts you must already know that she lacks the intelligence to understand the situation and you should also know that she has a deep aversion to the truth. Perhaps she has overdosed on Kool Aid.

      • karolyn

        Bob – Actually, I am of above-average intelligence. It is you who lack the intelligence to have a civilized discourse with anyone who does not believe as you do.

        • Vicki

          Bob. Though I rarely agree with Karolyn I can tell by her posting that she is above average intelligence.

          Karolyn. Bob did not challenge your overall intelligence level. Re read what he said.
          “you must already know that she lacks the intelligence to understand the situation”

          His claim is that you lack specific intel to understand the situation. This is correct since you were not there and what intel we have is very limited. The Jury probably had a lot more then we have here.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – I absolutely agree, and what has been posted here by everyone is sheer guesswork. We have taken what we heard and saw and come to our own conclusions, which have benefited no one. Isn’t that what the blog was all about? Stirring the pot?

          • Robert Smith

            “I absolutely agree, and what has been posted here by everyone is sheer guesswork.”

            It is not guesswork that he turned his back on the perp as he went to get the second gun. He wasn’t running, or in any indicating that there was a threat behind him. HE didn’t believe that Antwan was a threat in that moment, why should we?

            Then he came out with the second gun and mythodicaly pumped five rounds out.

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith writes:
            “It is not guesswork that he turned his back on the perp as he went to get the second gun. He wasn’t running, or in any indicating that there was a threat behind him. HE didn’t believe that Antwan was a threat in that moment, why should we?

            Then he came out with the second gun and mythodicaly pumped five rounds out. ”

            Of course Mr Ersland turned his back on parker. At that time parker was not a threat. Mr. Ersland wasn’t running because he CAN’T run. If he could run he would have run with the other employees and escaped.

            When Mr Ersland later approached parker Mr Ersland determined that parker was again a threat and responded by firing at parker again.

    • Isaac Davis

      You have to be the most ridiculous pacifist to peruse this site. This jackass gave up all of his excuses and certainly felt nothing compassionate by using a handgun to perpetrate a robbery. He had no soul to feel remorse, and wasn’t going to “live” with anything other than the cold-hearted rush of having committed a crime and been on to another shortly thereafter had this one succeeded. Had the Colonel’s first round been a lethal shot, this story would have ended long before it ever made bigger headlines. Only because the Colonel made the choice to shut this piece of crap down right then and there did this get escalated. The Colonel made the right choice at the right time. He is innocent of any wrong doing, and should be a free man, with a clear record that removes any trace of this event. Had the Colonel been in combat, under the same situation of deadly force, no one would raise a finger to dispute the outcome. Thank God for men like Colonel Ersland.

      • vagabond

        Very well said Isaac. and very true. unfortunately there are so many IDIOTS who would wrather the SLIMEBALLS be taken care of on the tax payers dime and released back into society so they can go right back to doing the same thing. wouldn’t it be nice if all those who defend antwun could get a visit from the antwuns of the world??

        • Isaac Davis

          One day they will be faced with some choice about their life or another, and have to answer the call of what to do. It might be caring for an elder, it might be responding to an accident, or it might be staring down a dark, pre-dawn hallway at some jackass who decided their house was worth entering illegally. When the moment hits, and the adrenaline is pouring by the bucket in their veins, and they have the “fight or flight” moment…then the clock starts ticking. Tick…Tock. And, they might be judged by a jury of their “peers” about the results of their decision, when the probability of that jury to have ever faced the same situation is zero, and having a peer who can relate to the situation is non-existent when it comes to deciding their fate. If every American understood their Heritage and had a firm grasp of the Constitution, the Ten Amendments that are God-Given (not from mortal man), then there might truly be a restoration of something that resembles what the Founding Fathers intended. There might be a vastly greater respect for the rights and Liberties of another sovereign individual, and the understanding among all Americans that this nation affords then the equality of opportunity, but not the equality of outcome.

          • DaveH

            Better to be judged by 12, than to be carried by 6.

          • Robert Smith

            Jerome Ersland was judged by 12 and found guilty of murder. The tape did him in. He didn’t look like he was being threatened when he let loose with 5 rounds.

            Rob

      • BKWsr

        The comment about had the Colonel been in battle is no longer true. They have been after soldiers who the Polititions think over did there jobs. Now soldiers must have permission to shoot at a enemy combatant, With proof that they are in danger.

      • Len Lynch

        Isaac, this makes a very good case for regular range time!

      • Robert Smith

        Actually if Ersland had been a better shot and dealt out a double tap that was efective he whould have been OK.

        But to come back and dump five rounds into someone on the floor was murder.

        Rob

        • sybucket

          It is my understanding of the event that the Col.’s firt shot hit the kid in the head. If so, then it is likly the kid was already dead. Therefore, there was no need to shoot the kid 5 more times. On the other hand, it is likly the Col. did not KNOW the kid was dead, it is likly that in the heat of the moment the Col. was scared,confused and understandbly worried that the kid might get up, therefore he continued to shoot.

          It is the second act of returning and shooting the kid 5 more times that got him convicted, though I fail to see how it becomes 1st degree Murder. Manslaughter , yes, no doubt but not 1st Degree. I suspect this will be overturned on appeal and reduced to manslaughter and sentence will be time served, as it will take a few years to get the re-trial.

          In addition, there have been those who have suggested that the Col. is at fault because he was a “Trained” soldier. The Col. is retired Air Force, not Army or Marine. His training is most likly to fly planes, not engage in ground combat.

          • Kate8

            Whether trained or not, a person’s instinct for self-preservation will kick in when threatened.

            Obviously, in that situation it is impossible to think clearly. Many actually innocent people have been shot and killed by policemen reacting to situations they perceived as threatening. Just look at the vet who was just gunned down in his own home by cops, shot what? 57 times?

            It doesn’t matter what your training. The survival instinct trumps all.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Robert Smith…. I watched the video. You can’t see the kid on the floor. Maybe he wasn’t moving, but when Mr. Ersland came back, he was. You don’t know. And, if it were me, I would be so scared out of my wits that I wouldn’t be sure how I would react. If someone had a gun pointed at me, I would want to make sure the shooter was dead and I was safe. His conviction is a travesty of justice.

          • Wayne937

            There is not one single person on here who can say they would not have done the same thing as the pharmacist did. If you do say this, then you have never been in that situation that this pharmacist was in. I side with the pharmacist. I would have voted for aquittel (not guilty) if I had been on that jury.

        • jibbs

          I know what your problem is, your brainwashed! I don’t know about you, but I choose life, not death at the hands of some stupid teenager, the Sheriff here in Missouri tells us, just don’t shoot’em in the back.

          Crooks are many, cops are few, crooks carry guns, WHY can’t you ?

          • 45caliber

            jibbs:

            Some years ago in NYC a man broke into an apartment, stabbed the husband about twenty times and then slashed and tried to rape his wife. The husband, who wasn’t dead, crawled to a couch, pulled out a small gun, and shot the criminal in the leg. The criminal was picked up at a hospital.

            The criminal spent three months in the hospital getting his meds straightened out since he had stopped using them. The husband spent three months in the hospital trying to live. The prosecutor dismissed all charges against the criminal because he wasn’t on his meds and therefore “not responsible” for his actions. Then he pressed charges against the husband for illegal possession of a weapon and assault on the criminal. The criminal testified for the husband and the charges were dismissed.

            However a reporter asked the prosecutor why he had filed charges against the husband. “We have to convince the people in this country that home-based vigilanteism is wrong! After all, if the husband hadn’t shot him, we’d have found the criminal and punished him. It was wrong of him to try to harm the criminal.”

            So – in other words – the prosecutor had no problem with the criminal killing the husband and raping and killing the wife. After all, they would capture and punish him. They did punish him – they locked him up in the hospital for three months to straighten out his meds.

          • JC

            45, that prosecutor is exactly what is wrong with our “law” system.
            And in a “just” world Mr. Ersland would be at work today.
            Thing is we live in a “law” system…not a “justice” system.

    • Isaac Davis

      Colonel Ersland did not require any help. He did what God gave him the UNALIENABLE right to do, protect and defend himself. What “help” would you require him to stand around and wait for? The “help” that puts poor little antwan in a cell for a few days and releases him later to go on with his life of crime? The “help” that tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars will be spent and wasted of courts and possible incarceration, and eventual release of this thug who already chose his path in life? The “help” that little antwan will come to his senses, maybe find the Holy Trinity and change his life and be a fisher of men? The fact that some 3000 black American fetuses are aborted every day in this country doesn’t bother you one stinking bit, but you get all squishy over one dumbass who managed to get out of the womb and big enough to acquire a handgun and then go commit a crime. You are a good sheep Karolyn.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Karolyn… And what justifies the kid coming in armed and robbing? This is action and reaction. You live by the gun, you die by the gun. He made a choice. Mr. Ersland was put into a situation that nobody ever wants to be put in. I sincerely hope he gets his sentence turned over. This is a horrible injustice.

      • Wayne937

        Your exactly right, Robin.

    • Mike

      Karolyn, I see you must not have ever been in that situation. Hope to God you never are. The two KIDS must have thought that what was in that drug store was WORTH their life. They carried a gun into that store for the sole purpose to rob and possibly KILL someone. To me, If I were on a jury under those conditions, it would have been a hung jury or he would have been set free. Dam these punk ass criminal kids. When you take a gun to commit a crime, to hell with them.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Karolyn,

      You got to remember this guy was a war veteran and still felt threatened.This incident could have triggered a violent response as result of his experience as a veteran.I agree with Ben Crystal on this one.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        That’s the case with the jury that found pharmacist Jerome Ersland guilty of first-degree murder for shooting an armed man who entered his …
        http://www.icarry.org/ftopict-5180.html

      • karolyn

        coal – For all we know Ersland might be a slimeball himself.

        • Push comes to shove

          WOW, you really went there!!!!!

          Now the pot is going to call the kettle black

        • Vicki

          Karolyn. Being a slimeball is NOT a crime. Nor is it cause to strip the person of the right of self defense. Now an interesting detail from the link that was posted by coal miner.

          It is claimed that the first shots hit parker in the head. Ignoring for the moment multiple evidences of people still being able to act when shot in the head let us propose another straw man argument. Parker was in fact shot in the head and died from that shot.

          He was already dead when Ersland shot a corpse 5 times. How is that murder in any degree?

        • Wayne937

          Sticking up for the armed robbers is normal for Karolyn. I will not respond to any of her post as it would be useless to.

      • karolyn

        Just because somebody is a veteran doesn’t make them a good person. And Wayne, I am not sticking up for criminals!

    • slapjack

      I sure hope you criminal loving jerkwads never have to come face to face with a pair of criminals hell bent on robbing you at gun point. These animals are a product of an entitlement society we have created in this country. I’m sick and tired of this criminal scum getting away with this Liberal bleeding heart nonsense. I fully support a retrial for the man wrongly sent to prison. Wait till times get really tuff. This will make the old west look like an amusement park!

      • Kate8

        slapjack – These are the same people who champion infanticide, euthanasia and death panels. They support the criminalization of conservatism, will most likely look the other way when round-ups begin…

        But we must protect the criminals! After all, he was just a kid!

        Sickos.

        • libertytrain

          there is a sad sort of peculiar humor about what you said and what you said is true.

        • karolyn

          Kate – Your unfounded descriptions of and atrributions to those who disagree with you do not serve you well. You, as with most conservatives, do tend to generalize too much.

          • JeffH

            Being a bit hypocritical aren’t we?

          • Kate8

            karolyn – History supports my assessment of what’s coming.

            It’s always the same.

    • 45caliber

      Karolyn:

      You said, “This is not the wild west.”

      It is true – it isn’t. They didn’t have the shootings and robberies then that we do now. There wasn’t any drive by (ride by) shootings for fun. The criminals seldom shot their victims as they do now. There were very few shoot-outs. There were even fewer murders.

      See what civilization has brought us?

      On the other hand, when they caught a criminal, he was usually hung or shot. That way he wasn’t able to commit more crimes. Another loss due to civilization.

    • Karinetta

      You are wrong. Judgmental people usually find themselves in the same spot someday, as the person they judged. Mark my word.

      • karolyn

        Amen!

    • jibbs

      Karoly. Put yourself in the same situation, ever been robbed at gunpoint? I have twice while living in Chicago, if I could have been armed, I would have emptied the clip on them and live to see my family and another day. If a thief kills you, there is no re-set like a video game. Grow up and see life as it is, not what you want it to be!!
      I guess as far as you are concerned, it’s o.k. for cops to shoot to kill first and save their life, only to find out they were at the wrong house…WTG

      • karolyn

        jibbs: ” guess as far as you are concerned, it’s o.k. for cops to shoot to kill first and save their life, only to find out they were at the wrong house…WTG”

        Duh! No-ooo!

        • jibbs

          Reply
          karolyn says:
          June 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm
          jibbs: ” guess as far as you are concerned, it’s o.k. for cops to shoot to kill first and save their life, only to find out they were at the wrong house…WTG”

          Duh! No-ooo!

          ********************************************************************** Are you starting to see what we are saying? There is no way I would wait to see if the criminal pointing a gun at me will shoot, I goingto live one way or the other, if I’m armed, I shhot first and decide later. Put it this way, if a rapist grabbed you on the street and started dragging you away to rape you, would you sumit and go quietly, or kick, scream, claw or what ever it takes to get free, and maybe live to see another day? If you chose to stay quite, chances are you won’t see tomrrow, as has happened far too many times.

          • karolyn

            As a matter of fact, I will be taking a self-defense class next month. Of course, I am a human being; I will defend myself if someone wants to harm me!

          • jibbs

            karolyn says:
            June 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm
            As a matter of fact, I will be taking a self-defense class next month. Of course, I am a human being; I will defend myself if someone wants to harm me!

            Karolyn, thats what Mr. Ersland was doing!! What are your view’s on the ex-Marine that the SWAT team fired 71 rds. into in 7 seconds? I’ve not heard anything stating there was any reason for them being at his home, and some are worried that a man that was being robbed at gun point, protected himself. Even with an additional five rds. to secure his own life, doe’s not compare to 71 rds. Doe’s your state allow you to carrie a firearm? and will you take the CCw clas and arm yourself…we do have that right.

          • JeffH

            jibbs, if memory serves me correctly, only 60 of the 71 rounds found their unintended target.

          • Karolyn

            SC is very gun friendly Jibbs, but I will never have one. I have my two dogs here at home. Nobody in their right mind would come in here with the ruckus they create every time they even hear a car, never mind somebody walking outside. (I live in the woods.) Probably 9 out of 10 houses here have guns, and we rarely have shootings. I feel that if I had a gun, it would be asking for trouble.

          • jibbs

            Karolyn says:
            June 2, 2011 at 5:56 pm
            SC is very gun friendly Jibbs, but I will never have one. I have my two dogs here at home. Nobody in their right mind would come in here with the ruckus they create every time they even hear a car, never mind somebody walking outside. (I live in the woods.) Probably 9 out of 10 houses here have guns, and we rarely have shootings. I feel that if I had a gun, it would be asking for trouble.
            **********************************************************************
            Karolyn, the guns are in “other Home’s”, thats to far away, as for your dogs, criminals with guns don’t care, they will shoot them just as they will you. I’m not being mean, just truthful. I have two dogs also and they are just like family, and if they were shot that would tear my heart out. Think of you and those in your home. Criminals don’t know if you are armed or not, and a gun is better that a bat if they have guns. In your castlle, you and your family/friends are number one!

            Please take the time to consider. Like I said in my previous post, it took the Sheriff 45 minute’s to get to my house after the alarm went off! Thats way to long when your life is at stake!!

  • Harold Olsen

    Jerome Ersland may have started out as a victim, but he ended up a killer. First he shoots Antwun Parker and then chases his accomplice. Up to that point, he had done nothing wrong. He shot in self-defense. Then, when he couldn’t get the accomplice he goes back and, after getting a second gun, kills Parker. Based on the details in the article, Ersland got what he deserved. However, the article does not indicate whether or not Parker was still a threat. When Ersland returned, did Parker have his gun in hand and try to shoot Ersland. It doesn’t seem so, since Ersland had the time to retrieve a second gun and go back and kill Parker, who, apparently, was no longer a threat to him. Had I been on that jury that convicted him, based on what’s in this article, I would have probably voted guilty.

    One question, though. Did the prosecutor decide to charge Ersland because he believed Ersland was a murderer or did he just cave to black groups? Was the prosecution of Ersland strictly political to appease blacks and not to serve justice? It sounds like it to me.

    • vagabond

      Harold you answered your own question at the end of your post. it is so obviouse the district attorny caved to pressure from the black groups. had I been sitting on that jury I would have voted NOT GUILTY

      • Karolyn

        Then you would have been derelict in your duty to reach a verdict based on law and not emotion.

        • vagabond

          still on the koolaid karolyn??

          • Bob

            She is an addict.

        • Al Sieber

          Karolyn, if you have never been robbed or held hostage you wouldn’t know what to do, I have before and always carry a fire arm that’s our right here in Ariz. I would of made sure the SOB was dead. when you have a gun pointed at you and have a chance to defend yourself you’ll do anything, including making sure the bastard is dead.

          • Karolyn

            If the guy was laying there wounded and no threat, you would put 5 bullets into him?

          • Robert Smith

            Actually to go back and execute him isn’t what America is about.

            It’s too bad he wasn’t nailed on manslaughter charges and given a short enough sentence that he got out quickly. But we don’t know if he was trying to make a point and went to trial that it was his “right” to kill someone lying on the floor. I wish I had more details of the case.

            Rob

          • BKWsr

            To Karolyn, I would not have had to have shot him 5 times.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn and Robert, I challenge you both to review the video once more and tell me with complete certainty and without a shadow of a doubt that Antwun Parked no longer posed a threat to Ersland. You cannot see the perp in the video at the end to honestly determine whether he was or was not a threat.

            I say your comments are based on pure conjecture.

          • Thamera

            The double standard that constantly spews from karolyn and Robert S. is amazing. Pity the perp that would have killed Erslund without even thinking twice about it, but give no such consideration to an unborn child. You two have got to be two of the biggest hypocrites on these boards. And karolyn, why are you so upset anyway..now Antwan’s spirit is free! lmao

          • karolyn

            Thamera – Yes, he is free, lucky guy. We are talking about law and facts here; or at least that’s what it should be about!

          • Al Sieber

            Karolyn, I wasn’t there, so I don’t know how the situation unfolded, things can get out of hand at the heat of the moment. so what would you do?

          • karolyn

            Al – What would I do. First of all, I would never have a gun. I don’t have a problem with people having them, but I believe that if you have a gun, it is just asking for trouble. However, if I, in another life, was in that position, I believe I would have not run after the other kid, immediately dialed 911 and just kept my gun on the one that was shot, depending on his condition.

          • Al Sieber

            Karolyn, I live a good 20 miles from local law enforcement and they don’t always show up when you call them, or never show up. I live off the grid in the mountains where cell phones barely work, what would you do?

          • libertytrain

            Logically, I’d say I’d do what Karolyn said she thought she would do; realistically, I would have peed my pants and shot the hell out of him.

        • BKWsr

          Its a sad thing that I say this Karolyn, But you are one of those people who need to have some one come into your home an do to you what they have been doing to others. These guys rape, rob, and kill. And you feel sorry for them. Then maybe you will understand the anger the rest of us feel to these people who do these things. I have had several attemps at robery. It did not work because I have no problem fighting back. and a couple of times my 45cal was bigger than their knifes. Once it was just luck of my fighting back and taking their fire arm. Yes you need to feel the pain others have felt. Then maybe you would understand.

          • Bob

            Definition of a lieberal: Someone who sees no problem with others being raped, robbed, and murdered, but who would scream bloody murder if another did the same to them.

          • 45caliber

            Bob:

            Your definition is correct.

          • karolyn

            Well, gee, Bob, I’m sure glad I’m not a lieberal!

          • karolyn

            I NEVER SAID I FELT SORRY FOR ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!! Where is everybody getting this impression? It is so sad that people cannot read the words that others write without reading something else into them!

          • Kate8

            karolyn – What????!!!!!

            We’ve been responding to EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

        • Push comes to shove

          Actually not, a jury is a judgement panel of our peers who are suposed to judge our actions not only on the law but on the morals of each individual juror. A judge instructs the jurors on how thier supposed to weigh the evidence, he does not tell them how they are to come to thier conclusion (guilty or not). Ever heard of OJ. (not the best example but you should be able to get my point).

        • Vicki

          Karolyn writes:
          “Then you would have been derelict in your duty to reach a verdict based on law and not emotion.”

          Duty? you speak of duty?

          http://www.FIJA.org

          Karolyn Go forth and gain wisdom.

          • JeffH

            Oh Vicki, you just had to post that didn’t you. :(

    • Carolyn

      Have any of you been paying attention? This is a former MILITARY man. In the Military, you are trained to shoot until you are totally confident the threat has been neutralized then shoot again just to make sure. A lot of our soldiers would be dead or wounded if not for that training. Ersland shot until the threat was neutralized and shot again. It’s good in war but not self-defense? Hmmmmm….makes one wonder if the idea of caving to black groups wasn’t the only reason charges were brought. And the jury, what about them? Were they also afraid to offend the black community? I think so. I think they are pawns in the larger scheme of “equality”.

    • jibbs

      What if he had not chased him off, and he came back and killed Jerome…….what would you say then, what if antwon reached his weapon while Jerome chased his partner and had it under his bodie when Jerome came back? Can you tell me where antwons weapon landed when he was shot? What would you have done to preserve your life. When we first move to Missouri last Oct. I was here by myself, no phone, no cell phone service. I set our alarm off by mistake, so I waited for the Sheriff to show up………..45minutes. I’ll protect my family and decide later, thank you.

  • Patticake

    Ersland is truly the victim… again. The thugs that attack put themselves in situations where they could (and should) lose their rights and even their lives. If Antwun wanted to live, he shouldn’t have initiated this mortal confrontation. Someone needs to speak up for Ersland and right this travesty. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    • vagabond

      Pattycake you seem to be the only intelligent one here today,

    • Mary

      What do you suggest? Nobody is standing for this man. It’s an injustice. One of us can be next. He just got rid of a young poision snake. I think he saved lives defending himself. This country is getting worse by the second.

  • Denis

    The robber got what he deserved and Ersland got screwed…turn him loose.

  • Edgar Vest

    Thugs and robbers from D.C. to local communities should be taken care of. The crooked judges that knuckle under to political pressure don’t do their job when the few are arrested bad a police system that is about the same as the judges. Don’t call him a kid! He should have been working. Like I tell people about teens getting pregnant, if they are at a age to have sex, they are adults.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. And if they decided to rob or shoot someone with a gun, they are also adults.

      One thing always annoys me about the press. If an 18 year old soldier is killed, he is a man. If a 21 year old gang member is killed, he is a boy or child.

      • Carolyn

        Well said!

  • Alej

    Karolyn says “This is not the Wild West.”

    Happen to notice the multiple flash mobs all over America on Memorial Day? Made up of people like “Antwun.”

    • vagabond

      no Alej. they dont see such crap as that. they only see a white man denieing a black THUG his rights to go around robbing working people,

      • karolyn

        vagabond – You are yet another using the race issue to address how someone is viewing this particular case. Get off it!

    • Kate8

      Alej – Actually, people were more civilized during the Wild West.

      We are living in totally lawless times. Good people are made criminals and criminals are protected. The innocent are murdered and the guilty are made into heros.

      Everything is upside down.

  • doris simonis

    If I fear for my life, I will do everything in my power to save myself. No one mentioned a family. These “children crooks” are created by the educational systems that give the rights of the citizens to the low lifes they (teachers) are afraid to confront. The victims no longer have any rights. Just remember you can be seached & your home invaded now and you have no regress.

    • Carolyn

      Are you nuts? How dare you blame a teacher! This is the product of their environment and more than likely witnessed violence at home. Or possibly neglected at home and sought out a new “family” which happens to be the ones who led him down this path. But he had to be willing! The teachers? Really? You couldn’t pay me enough to be a teacher today! Parents won’t discipline their kids and they run crazy in school, drugs, violence…Hell no!

      • ValDM

        You’re right about parents abdicating their responsibility re raising kids. But as a society we also need to slather a lot of blame on the entertainment industry (which parents pay for, for the “kiddies”). These kids play the most violent video games where the “hero” has umpteen lives, can get up & go on to kill again. Ditto movies. If anyone got beat up the way they do in action movies, they wouldn’t be continuing to get beat up & beat up some more; they’d be in a hospital. These kids that are constantly exposed to this brain-washing, flat don’t have a clue that there are any consequences like death (that you can’t get up from……you don’t have any extra lives).

      • 45caliber

        Carolyn:

        Too many of the local black families are ALL involved in crime of all sorts. It is accepted in the family and the kids grow up with this idea. One family locally had the grandmother, two daughters, and several grandkids all arrested for dealing drugs. A couple of the grandkids were also charged with robbery. Sadly, they attend church and consider themselves good Christians. This is just “business”.

    • 45caliber

      doris:

      Actually I don’t think the teachers are afraid to act – they are simply not allowed to act.

      Recently, several gangs at a local school got into a fight. The principal called the police. One’s parents came to the school board and wanted the principal fired. Their son “needed to belong to a gang so he could have friends who would defend him if he was attacked”. And he wasn’t at fault – he was attacked. Or one of his friends was.

  • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

    Ersland should have called 911 and held the gun on the thief. I know he was probably panicked and afraid but it is a little above and beyond to pump 5 more bullets into an incapacited person. I am all for defending yourself and your business and I am for the NRA (even though I do not own a firearm at this time). I don’t think any of us know what we would do in a situation like this, though!!!!

    • vagabond

      sandy as we used to say in Korea. if they are big enough to hold a gun and point it at us. they are big enough to be blown away as they should be,

    • Al Sieber

      Sandy,Shoot back, that’s what I’d do if I had the chance, but every situation is different. you’d figure it out fast and know what to do.

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        I’m with you,his problem was poor aiming not the fact that he made sure he was dead but that he had to finish the job.The problem here is the lawyers and the greed.Can you imagine if he had lived he would have sued the guy for shooting him.
        There was a case in kalifornia that a would be thief fell though the skylight of a department store and sued them and won!
        I wounder what happened to the guy that ran out did they catch him or just stopped looking for him?

      • Dan az

        Al
        In a post that we were on last night we ask you if you would run for congress because it takes so much money to run that you were the perfect choice because you could just dig it up! :)
        Kate said she agreed and would also vote for ya so what say you?

        • JeffH

          Hear Hear! Count me in as an Al Seiber supporter. :)

          • Dan az

            Jeff
            Now if we can only convince Al we would be golden!
            Al come on bud we need ya! :)

        • Al Sieber

          Yes Dan, I would, for no pay, but it would have to be on the Libertarian ticket. right now I’m working 24/7 mining, the last day off was Christmas, JeffH and DaveH would be good to work with, and a dozen other people on this site also. but, I live in the mountains and hate civilization, and cities. so Dan what article was that?

          • Al Sieber

            You’re right Dan I’m digging it up, and it’s hard work but it takes billions to run for congress.

    • Isaac Davis

      The Doctrine of the Three Percent.

      We will not disarm.

      You cannot convince us.

      You cannot intimidate us.

      You can try to kill us, if you think you can.

      But remember, we’ll shoot back.
      And we are not going away.
      Your move.

      • Al Sieber

        Right on Issac, that’s how I feel also.

      • JC

        Amen That!

    • 45caliber

      Sandy:

      In a situation like this, you get an adrenylin rush and you act without thinking. You also shoot without aiming. However, women generally point accurately. I told my wife in a situation like this, she was to point and shoot until the gun was empty regardless of what the attacker did. If he falls down, she keeps shooting. If he tries to run, she keeps shooting. That is the ONLY way to know for sure that he is not a threat.

      After all, it takes at least a minute to check a situation to know if it is safe. It takes less than five seconds to empty a gun. And that gun could be in his hands as well as yours.

      • sybucket

        There is a saying….You don’t shoot until you think they are dead, you keep shooting until THEY think they are dead.

        • 45caliber

          Good saying.

      • Kate8

        45 – I wonder how many people are now dead because they hesitated.

        I could come up with quite a few, just the ones I’ve heard of.

    • Vicki

      Sandy

      Ersland DID call 911. You can see him do it on the video. Based on where he was with respect to where we THINK parker might have been Ersland could not call 911 while parker was still waving a gun around. To do so would have been to invite parker to shoot him (Ersland).

      Oh you say parker was not waiving a gun around? And how would you know that? The only known witness indicated by action that parker was still a threat.

    • Wayne937

      If that kid would have lived (being a juvenile) he would have most likely only served a month, or two, and be right back out robbing again. He may have even killed the next victim since he was now a hardened criminal.

      • Mary

        They are thousands of cases in this country where the criminals don’t even go to court. I was talking with a lady a week ago. She told me that one of her friends who lives in Georgia her husband got in a fight with an illegal alien from C.A. Tony (American) was biting him. The illegal got his knife and stabbed Tony nine times. The illegal didn’t go to jail for killing Tony because that was Selfdefense by the way the illegal has been deported three times. He is free,Working and LOL. Looks like this country is anti-americans.

  • Helaine Chersonsky

    This is a huge miscarriage of “injustice.” There are many in our so-called “injustice” system. Erslund should have been charged with manslaughter, at the most; his actions were justified by the imminent threat of danger. Note the standing of what a “reasonable person” would do. I am behind the State Senator who tries to right this travesty. So, what are you supposed to do; confront a killer who would have killed you with words? C’mon.

  • William Smith

    In cases like this, deadly force is not just justified, it should be mandated. Ersland made a huge contribution to society by eliminating the thug, doesn’t matter if he was 16 or 60, he got what he deserved.

    If it had been Ersland who lay there dead, guess who would have rushed to the punk that killed him’s defense? Al Sharpton and every other black race baiter would have been front and center playing to the cameras moaning about how the kid had no chance in our racist society.

    Free Jerome Ersland now and give him a medal!

    • vagabond

      Very well said William. it’s so good to see there are some people who are intelligent enough to know wrong from right,

      • Karolyn

        Well I most certainly know right from wrong and Erslund was absolutely wrong in “finishing the job.” Vigilanti justice does this country no service.

        • vagabond

          karolyn go play in the traffic,

          • Karolyn

            Another intelligent comment from the right. Think I’ll start keeping a tally of those types of remarks coming from either side and see who wins.

        • FireMall

          Hey there Karolyn: I see that you haven’t forsaken your keyboard for the last 6-8 months . Seems I recall you have some sort of Fat Check , Dot Obama Gov / taxpayer funded job, so what else do you do while at work on “We The People’s ” Dime other than diss the People that pay for your freebee ride ??
          Considering your stance on this so called murder, I’ll ask your OP on the Demon-rat’s Waco fiasco. I assume you approve of the Gov, Clinton & Reno executing the Adults & Threatening Children in the Davidian Massacre sponsored by none other than your Liberal /Marxist gun control freek heroes ??
          One thing for sure, the Fort Hood Military flame throwing tank attack was definitely effective in turning 86 people into charcoal. That only committed the horrific act of preparing ,{via their 2nd Amendment Rights} for exactly what happened to them. Of course the Fact that the ATF, FBI forgot to announce their arrival and were kicking an upstairs window in when the Davidians sensed an attack from an unknown assailant would matter in this case . HUH??
          I Also assume you were a supporter of the same gun control socialist scum that shot Randy Weaver’s 14 year old son & his infant’s mother with a sniper rifle because her husband had a sawed off shot gun. Wonder where the Civil Rights pundants { Jackson ,Sharpton } were on these attacks on citizens who were “Supposed” to been afforded their Constitutional Rights ?? Note that none of these people in Waco or Ruby Ridge had attacked Robbed, or Threatened anyone but Your Heroes’ Agenda.
          Where is your outrage when it’s Your POS Dot Gov Heroes that are killing / Executing people that they consider a threat ? Remember that None of the Waco perpetrators { who once were called victims] had a snowball’s chance in hell to have their day in court.
          Considering the Government seems to be immune from the exact law you believe is justified in sending a man that did the nation a favor, what say ye to this ??
          To all you bleeding heart Lobatatards here . First, would you folks opinion of what happened to Mr. Ersland be different if he was not white & or even a member of the New Black Panthers terrorist gang.? ?
          By your selective standards of self preservation & If it was any of you folks standing in Mr. Ersland’s shoes. “We” in the Gun Toting Wild West would be discussing why the Punk lived, & got away and why you Criminal Coddling duffus’ didn’t protect yourselves.

          BTW; If Mr. Ersland had been one of your gun control heroes , it Obviously would have been just fine to shoot the punk when he so much as wiggled his little finger. Hypocrites — Walk among “We The People” and “We” actually pay them for the Honor. BS-BS-BS.

          • karolyn

            Fire: “I assume you approve of the Gov, Clinton & Reno executing the Adults & Threatening Children in the Davidian Massacre sponsored by none other than your Liberal /Marxist gun control freek heroes ??”

            You assume wrong!

          • 45caliber

            FireMall:

            A couple of comments.

            First, a local man was a member of the ATF when they attacked the Davidians. According to him, as far as he could tell, the Davidians never fired a single shot. What started the shooting was a man climbing a ladder with a gun in his hand. He slipped, shot himself through the leg, and yelled, “I’m shot!”

            All shooting was by the ATF. Koresh himself had answered the door without a gun. While he was standing there, the shooting started, and the ATF man he was talking to simply pulled out a gun and shot him in the stomache. Everyone on both sides was shot by ATF men.

            After they pulled back, the leader called someone in Washington. After talking several minutes, he hung up and ordered the AFT to surround the place and shoot anyone they saw. The man I talked to and others refused because many were children. They were fired and had to walk 7 miles to get to a telephone to call for a ride. They left all their government gear piled in the middle of the road.

            Further, I had a friend who was a nurse in the local hospital. When they brought in the bodies after the fire – EVERY ONE HAD BEEN SHOT SQUARE BETWEEN THE EYES. You can’t commit suicide that way. All had been taught to shoot themselves under the chin. She (and the rest of the hospital staff) believed that they had all been lined up and shot and then the place set on fire to hide that.

            Incidently, Randy Weaver did not have the sawed off shotgun. He was paid $100 by a government spy to cut it for him – and the spy had marked the barrel at 17 3/4 inches. Randy cut it and was paid for it. That was their “evidence”. He was set up because he refused to spy for them on the Seperatists in the area. Incidently, the government tried to burn his cabin with his kids in it. A reporter caught them loading a 30 gallon drum of gasoline onto their helicopter and threatened to publish it if they dropped it. They told him he’d go to jail if he did and he replied that he might go to jail but they would be in there with him for murder.

          • Al Sieber

            Good one 45, I think Karolyn should watch “Waco”: Rules of Engagement”, she could “goggle It”.

        • ValDM

          Vigilante justice will soon take place whether you want it to or not. If you think vigilante justice died a long time ago, you’re living in a fantasy world. But the world as I see it; for many, the only justice we will see, is the justice we deliver.

        • Bob

          Karolyn: You have no clue as to what constitutes right and wrong. You are completely clueless.

          • Wayne937

            Your absoutely right about Karolyn, Bob. I just simply quit responding to her silly post.

        • Bleh

          The version of Justice we have these days is laughable at best and expensive to boot. I for one hope millions more people start carrying out Vigilante justice and clean the streets of these criminals, especially the gang maggots.
          The country would be a safer place and better off for it.

          • Vicki

            You don’t need to go vigilante to clean the streets. Just let the law abiding carry (open or concealed). They will defend themselves and the criminal element will move back to safer pasttimes (burglary etc).

        • JeffH

          Conjecture, Karolyn, pure conjecture. Did you watch the video? Tell me then, by watching, that Parker posed no threat. Were you able to tell by the video that Parker was totally disabled? No! As I said, conjecture.

        • Thamera

          Do you really now karolyn? A lot of people would say that abortion is murder…

        • Kate8

          karolyn – You are passing judgment on another without having walked in his shoes.

          I’ll bet if the robber had killed him instead, you’d still be on his side.

          • karolyn

            Give me a break, Kate; and quit putting words in my mouth! You have no idea!

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – Unless you’ve been blowing smoke here, I think we all have a pretty good idea!

          • eddie47d

            That was uncalled for Kate. A very unworthy assumption.

    • Dan az

      Exactly right William!

  • dqfreemind

    Vigilante Justice is the only real justice that is left in this nation.
    Perhaps someone needs to take out a few prosecutors and judges.
    Come into my house or business with evil intent and I WILL light you up!

    • vagabond

      AMEN TO THAT DGFREEMIND,

      • eddie47d

        There is a difference between self defense and vigilante justice. The fact that Antwun was killed while committing a robbery doesn’t bother me it is the way it was done. That is why Ersland was found guilty. The confrontation should have ended once Ersland came back into the store. An obvious case of self defense turned into murder, although Ersland charges should have been manslaughter. 5 years in prison and 5 years parole should have been tops in punishment.

        • 45caliber

          eddie:

          You are right. There is a difference. If a man attacks you and you kill him, that is self defense. If you believe a man is guilty of some crime and you go hang him, that is vigilanteeism. The colonel didn’t hang him – he shot a man who threatened him. That is self defense.

          • eddie47d

            Actually he committed the hanging once he fired those 5 extra shots.

          • JeffH

            eddie, I’ll ask you the same question I posed to Robert and Karolyn.
            If you watched the video, where does it show that Parker wasn’t still a threat? I can’t tell because no one but Ersland and Parker know that. Parker can’t be seen in the video at the end. So I say you. Robert and Karolyn are “assuming” Parker is no longer a threat. That video, in and of itself, should have been enough to create some doubt. The sentance of 1st degree murder was completely wrong in this case.

            Beyond shadow of a doubt, to be uncertain about; consider questionable or unlikely; hesitate to believe.

          • 45caliber

            Jeff:

            Good answer.

          • JeffH

            45caliber, I don’t expect them to answer either.

          • eddie47d

            He may already have been dead and he pumped those 5 shots in anyway. You don’t know either Jeff so why do you always have to be a smartazz. Maybe he got a kick out of it like some police officers do. Our police pumped 45 bullets into a guy standing by his car.(that’s how many bullets were found in his body), many more were fired. People overplay their hand and it’s not always the criminal.

          • JeffH

            eddie, why, when you’re put on the spot, do you always have to call people names and confirm you are a hypocrite. My question is legitimate and nothing “smartazz”(you tend to get nasty when you can’t anwer intelligently)about the question.

            Show a little respect for Mr. Livingston and PLD’s request for some civility and refrain yourself.

            The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it.
            George Washington

            Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/mean_2.html#ixzz1OFL9jDrU

          • libertytrain

            jeff- :)

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, :). I respect and remember those words of wisdom.

    • Karolyn

      How can you take killing someone so lightly? Now, I have nothing against death; I believe it is a release into freedom. Thinking of death that way, the victim is actually being rewarded. However, the mindset of the killer is another thing. If someone is ready to kill me, I can understand where I might just kill them first; but to kill someone who is already incapacitated is murder; and it doesn’t matter what they’ve done. Another consideration is why should the victim of a crime sink to the level of the perpetrator?

      • Al Sieber

        Karolyn, if you were ever a victim of a crime or ever had a good friend murdered, or ever been shot at you would come to a quick decision and do what needs to be done.

        • Robert Smith

          What “needs to be done” is once the immediate threat is gone to follow due process. If the system is broken fix it.

          Might you have gone to picket to free Erstland? How’s come nobody did that for him? I suspect that those who have all the facts, as if the video isn’t enough, would easily see that the killing wasn’t necessary.

          Rob

          • JeffH

            RS, it seems there were supporters who rallied for Ersaland.

            Jerome Ersland Rally

            The pharmacist convicted of first degree murder for shooting and killing a would be robber, will have supporters rallying in his favor today.

            Hundreds of people are scheduled to rally outside of Reliable Pharmacy this morning. Ersland’s supporters believe he was wrongly convicted and say he acted in self defense.
            http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_3439.shtml?wap=0

      • A DEM NO MORE

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        • A DEM NO MORE

          Sorry hit the send key by mistake.

          My point though is that obviously, you have NEVER been the victim of a crime. I have and If I had a gun I would have done the same thing.
          A whole bunch of thoughts race thru your head and the adrenaline
          is just racing thru your body. Your thoughts race and where the only thought you have is to either get away or if you can’t you are then backed into a corner and only then does the thought of killling come into your mind, because it’s not going to be me, it’s going to be them. You forget the man is Military trained, and what he did is
          the only outcome, because in a life or death situation, and he could not get away (the thougt of killing comes into play) his training
          is on auto pilot its automatic!!!!! Col Ersland conviction should be over turned and toe Gov should pardon him!! The next time you want to comment put down the Kool Aid count to ten think about all the ramifications of your thoughts, and then guess what Don’t post!!!!!! Because no one cares about what you have to say!!!

          • Al Sieber

            Right on ADNM, I used to be a victim, no more.

      • steve in AZ

        Karolyn – REALLY?

        You believe “death is a release into freedom”? lol Well,then- KUDOS to the Vet for “liberating” Antwun!! Why is it necessary to die in order to be free? Possibly because the libs have been working day and night to destroy our freedoms for centuries? Why can’t we be free in THIS life, rather than having to die before we can be “free”? If life were more valuable in THIS realm (Read:more free) there may be fewer Antwun’s willing to risk their lives for some reality altering drugs that make them even more mindless, and consequently, fewer rage-filled individuals who might sub-consciously feel the need to empty the full clip in such a situation. Not saying Erslund was rage-filled, but many of us are feeling some rage and resentment these days, and those feelings might just be expressed in such a situation. That scenario was not exactly a time of quiet and sober reflection. I suggest you libs should tread lightly. lol

        In such a situation, the victim should not be held to the same standard of what is “appropriate” as he would be when playing a game of checkers. Yes, emotions ARE in control, and the victim must not be expected to react in the same way as he might if a waiter told him his favorite item was not available at the restaurant today.

        Every possible allowance must be made for the victim (no,Karolyn, NOT Antwun in this case) and his reaction at a time when he was fearful for his life.

        I agree, that pumping extra rounds into an inacapacitated victim may be over the top. However, the perpetrators bought chips in Erslund’s game. In that situation, only Erslund can be allowed to determine when that game is over. Erslund was a law abiding citizen, working for a living and harming nobody. What did the perps have that Erslund wanted? Nothing. They came at him, and that was THEIR choice. Erslund, as all of us may, may have vented some of his rage and resentment at a society of diminishing freedoms and increasing government control at those two synbols of anarchy. Tsk,tsk. How regrettable. But he should never have been charged.

        If you choose to dance, you gotta pay the piper.

        • Dan az

          Steve
          Excellent reply and right on.The problem that karolyn has is that she sees things in a hallucinogenic reality and prefers that we should all just get along.BTW glad that there are more AZ posters coming to this site sounds like the word is getting out.Thanks

          • Kate8

            Steve – Wow! Excellent post!

        • karolyn

          And that is what Ersland is doing. (paying the piper.)

          • steve in AZ

            Yes, unfortunately, he is paying a piper that someone else called.

            There’s little sense discussing it with you, as the leftists typically advocate the stance of those who are mostly responsible for the sad lack of objective justice in our greatest of all countries, and who continually work to chip away what is left,in a fervent desire for political correctness and a perpetually elusive “social justice”, at the expense of individual rights,liberties and objective justice.

            While you were busily swallowing in great gulps the socialist dogma at that liberal state funded institution of leftist learning, did you ever consider educating yourself in an opposing view? It’s never too late to consider yourself irretrievably leftist.

            Why ever would you take time away from the rainbow parade to visit a site such as this?

          • Dan az

            Steve
            Wow :)

          • karolyn

            Steve – I really resent being labeled; and I am being educated every day by reading here and at other sites. You would be surprised at how many things I have changed my mind about since beginning to read these blogs.

            In this instance, the man was found guilty by a jury of his peers; and if he shot a man 5 times who was not able to defend HIMself, then it is a good verdict. We have laws for a reason. Sometimes it’s not pretty, but it is what it is.

          • JeffH

            Well, that’s two liberals here who openly resent labels.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – You say that we shouldn’t judge without emotion, and then you say “we have laws”. It seems to all depend on who the person is being judged. I guess our emotion would be reserved for the attacker.

            Liberals also pick and choose which laws are enforced and which are ignored on any given day. Depends on emotion, I guess.

            As far as labels, it is you who label yourself by the words you put forth. Which, I might add, are often contradictory.

        • Al Sieber

          steve in AZ, good post.

      • FireMall

        @- Karolyn & others here of like mindlessness.
        You people amaze me when you ignore the one thing that “will” in the realms of human nature ignore the Human Factor of Basic Survival.
        The Stupid, obviously Un-Educated, Un-Parented Punks are the ones that laid out / Planned the Premeditated event.
        By their Own choices they also Laid out the Possibility of forcing a good Man, {yes Real Man} into Basic Human Survival Mode. For an average human, this switch does not come with an On /Off button. The timer is activated by the Perps and they should know that, when “They” “Choose” in their Own mind to commit /act out on their thoughts. .
        In the Real world of “We The Thinking People” The Self-Preservation button only deactivates when Nature says it’s safe to do so. As long as the Punk was Still Breathing, Twitching, he is still a threat. Once again , It’s the Perp’s “choice” and the “Victim’s” Basic Sub-Conscience Right. No more, no less.
        Thus No-ONE has the Right to Bitch about the Results or Convict a person when the acts Came from a “Victim’s” Purely Basic Survival Instinct to Terminate a Threat to one’s life & Liberty.
        Maybe, no, “Definitely” the Punks need a Pre -Death course on what can and imo, “should” happen when Punks such as these idiots choose to Ignore Basic Human Nature Laws along with Society’s Laws.
        Actions Always come with Reactions. One’s Actions come by Choice, the Reaction from nature. There is not one Human living today that cannot voluntarily Recall a day when a Natural Reaction to some type of threat has not Triggered a Basic Survival Instinct in their life.
        Of course “Some” people think they can Change ? Control Basic Human nature and even be ignorant to the point that they Think they can even control Mother Nature. Oh well , as I said Nature is one bad azz opponent, so, if that’s one’s Bleeding Heart’s Liberal “Choice”, go ahead, Have at it. Just don’t try it on me. I’m a Basic kind of man, With a gun..
        I Predict that many Libatards / Marxist /Socialist may,one day, find themselves face to face with the Results of their futile attempts at Controlling & or Ignoring Nature’s Laws.
        Karolyn, Maybe you should forward this to your Messiah in the White House. He seems to be a tad Ignorant of Human Nature too.

        • karolyn

          Fire – Please can the “Messiah” crap! I have no “Messiah.”

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Speaking of “The One”, he is in perpetual violation of our Laws.

            Somehow you are okay with it. I guess you consider him above the Law.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        How do you KNOW he was incapacitated? There have been many many stories of people who have been shot several times and yet still were able to kill their attackers. A story in the paper yesterday talked about several Army rangers in Afghanistan. Three of them were wounded and knocked down by the bullets. They had also received grenade shrapnel. One (the story was about) had grabbed a live grenade and had tried to throw it away – it blew off his hand. Yet they STILL were able to shoot back until help arrived.

        From what I understand (I could be wrong) the camera did NOT shot the boy after he fell down. It simply showed the victim shooting at him. Therefore, the ONLY facts known is that the victim shot him again – and stated that the boy was still moving and was conceived to be a threat.

        As far as I’m concerned, the man should have never been charged. Further, he was due a medal for getting the criminal off the street. He most likely prevented others from being robbed and possibly even killed.

      • Kate8

        karolyn – So, what’s your stance on an infant who has survived a botched late-term abortion?

        Most libs, including Obama, are for leaving them on a shelf to die.

        • karolyn

          Well, Kate, I would not be one of them.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – You are, by supporting those who do.

          • eddie47d

            Why do you keep playing that game Kate? That your side is so wonderful! Why didn’t You stop the Bush war in Iraq? Are you responsible for the 4,000 dead Americans and the 100,000 dead Iraqi’s? According to your version of life you to have to take responsibility for your sides actions. Right!

      • Jazzabelle

        To say that the victim shouldn’t sink to the level of the perpetrator is a moral statement. It could be a correct moral statement to say that the victim shouldn’t sink to the level of the perpetrator; but the fact remains that the victim still has the RIGHT to respond on that level if he so chooses.

        • Vicki

          The victim (Ersland) obviously did not sink to the level of the perp (parker).

          The victim exercised his right of self defense.

          The perp tried to rob and possibly murder the victim.

          Obviously on different levels (of morality).

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “Now, I have nothing against death; I believe it is a release into freedom. Thinking of death that way, the victim is actually being rewarded.”

        How is the victim (Ersland) being rewarded?

        Based on your statements, why are you not rallying to Mr Ersland’s defense
        for his heroic actions to “free” the downtrodden parker? (you did say that you support helping repressed people.
        ———————-
        karolyn says:
        June 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm

        Dave – I support helping repressed people to achieve freedom,
        ———————-)

        Based on your statements, death is freedom, why are you still alive?

    • Al Sieber

      dqfree, you got that right.

  • Charles

    In my opinion, Jerome Ersland is the victim. Sad, sad story. Do people who walk into homes, stores, banks or where ever to steal and possibly kill, know or even care how much they bring a community or even a society down? Rev. Sharpton, I need to add you to my prayer list too.

  • DavidL

    This is indeed a sad and tragic story. I feel very sorry for all involved. Once the teenager was shot, however, he was down and represented no further threat. At that point, self-defense is no longer at issue. If Mr. Ersland was worried about the teen still being a threat, he should have approached him, prepared to shoot again if the teen represented another imminent threat. The teen did not. Why the additional shots? Why five? How about running over and kicking the gun away? How about one to the leg if necessary?

    The verdict was correct, and the entire case sends a general deterrent message too us all about the use of unjustified deadly force.

    • Disgusted

      How do you know how you would react if placed in a situation where your life was threatened? I don’t know how I would react. I do know that if a man pointed a gun at me and demanded something I would be terrified and probably not thinking correctly. I am positive my thought process wouldn’t go along the lines of shoot him in the leg! I would unload everything round in my gun. If he was still moving I would look for an alternate means and do whatever it took to stop him from moving. Not one person on this planet except Jerome can know if he felt he was still in danger from this criminal. We all know his intent when he walked into the building! Regardless of what you think he should and shouldn’t have done, he did what he had to do in the moment. I hope I have the strength and conviction to do what he did if I am ever in a similar position: to defend my life! Bottom line that is what he did and I commend him for it. He is a law abiding citizen who served our country and if he says he still felt threatened by the man then I believe him.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “He is a law abiding citizen who served our country and if he says he still felt threatened by the man then I believe him.”

        Pretty lame if you feel threatened by a kid on the floor with a bullet in him.

        Rob

        • Disgusted

          Lame? Are you kidding me. He wasn’t a kid on the floor with a bullet in him, he was a gun toting – threatening – criminal on the floor and according to the only person that was there he was still moving. That means he was a threat. Would it have made a difference if the criminal has been 18+? If so, why?

          • FireMall

            @-Karolyn & “some” others here that “Assume” the Punk was no longer a Threat.
            Now: It’s my turn to “Assume” that the Punk “Was” still a threat. Don’t bitch about it. You & your Bleeding heart folks opened the Door of Assumptions.
            I hereby “Assume ” that the Punk was Still a threat and while I’m at it, I will also “Assume” the Punk’s firearm was still within his reach & or any other object which could have been used as a weapon.
            I’ll also assume that the Disabled person only unloaded on the Punk when the Punk was reaching for a weapon again while cussing the Racist Ersland out for shooting him.
            If a chicken can run around for 5 minutes after getting it’s head yanked off , so can a punk and that is Not an Assumption. If you had ever watched someone in great pain while at deaths door you would know that the last few breaths a person takes can be the most intense fight they ever fought. As in Basic instincts take over and the dying person is stronger & possibly more active than Superman until their last gasp.
            So ,I’ll add one more assumption . The Punk either wanted to die or he was fighting what he Assumed would be his last breath & chance to live & threaten someone else down the road. As in a Punk’s Nature.

          • Kate8

            FireMall – Bravo and applause!

            Very well done!

          • 45caliber

            FireMall:

            I agree fully with what you said. Too bad the libs can’t bare to consider the idea that you might be right.

          • Vicki

            @firemarshal

            Agreed. The only available witness claims parker was still a threat. Absent evidence to the contrary, it is clear that parker WAS STILL a threat.

        • Wayne937

          Robert, I was in Fl. last winter. The St. Petersburg Cops got a call about a person acting strangely. Two cop went to the area and split up to search for the suspect. The one policeman, around 46 years old, about to retire, stopped the suspect to question him. This suspect pulled out a weapon from the back of his waistband and shot the officer approximatel 5 or 6 times with a handgun and then ran off. He was subsequently caught a few days later. He was a 16 year old Black African male subject. This officer was never given a chance to defend himself as he was caught completely off guard. This is what happens to good people out doing there job. The defendant are then given all the benefits of the system and then usually get out after a few years as this kid will probably do. The officer is dead and this killer will be out roaming the streets again waiting to kill again. Just 1 month prior to this 2 other St. Petersburg, Fl. police officers were killed and a U.S. Marshall was wounded in the shootout trying to serve a warrant on this Black African American fugitive. This is why good people need to be vigilant for these types of individuals. I don’t blame this pharmacist on bit in what he did. Any one of us may have done the same thing. I hope this is something that the people can do to help him get released. I hope the good folks in his community gets behind him and give him a helping hand. This is injustice at its best.

    • 45caliber

      DavidL
      They say he was knocked down – but how do you know he was no further threat? If shot in the leg, you might fall down – but that does not eliminate you as a threat. Even shot in the body will not do that. Some western gunfighters were shot as many as five or six times through the body – and were still able to shoot back. Accurately. One old man (in his 70′s) in NE at the start of the Revolutionary War was shot nine times with British muskets (.65 caliber), was also stabbed several times with bayonets, and he STILL lived to be 90 something before he died.

      • karolyn

        If Ersland had time to go get another gun and come back, it would appear that the perp was sufficiently disabled.

        • 45caliber

          Not necessarily. He could have gotten his gun while the colonel was getting another gun and tried to roll over to use it.

          • Wayne937

            45caliber, it is useless trying to communicate with Karolyn. Her mind runs completely different than most of us Conservatives. I just quit responding to her post. I know it is useless to try to tell her that there are other valid opinions out there besides hers.

          • karolyn

            Wayne – Why am I singled out? I am not the only one with this opinion! It seems to me that no matter what I say, I get crap, but it’s OK if a “conservative” says the same thing? Wah! :-)

            In reading different blogs I am becoming increasingly more aware that there are more “sides” than I had first thought when I started reading here. It is not as cut and dried as any of us seem to think.

        • JeffH

          Karolyn, “it would appear”? Appearances are not always what they seem. You, again, are using conjecture rather than logic.

          Drop the emotions for one moment, watch the video if you have the stomach for it, and then tell me that Parker is or is not still a threat. You can’t tell…thus you are just assuming based soley on what you feel it “appears to be”. Does this not create just a hint of doubt with you? It should!

          • karolyn

            Well, if I could find the video, I would watch it!

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, I’ll post it for the third time today just so you can watch it. You were complaining about “heresay” yesterday and today you base your comments on “heresay”…what to do about this conflict?

            Watch the pharmacy video to see what happened.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBBlEhmWNQ&feature=player_embedded

          • karolyn

            Thanks, Jeff, I really could not find it. Now that I’ve watched it, I’m even more secure in what I think. Ersland was so nonchalant about what he did. It looks like he just calmly came back into the store; went and got another gun; and shot the guy. Case closed! If he feared for his life, he would not have turned his back on the kid to go get the other gun. Going back into the store he wasn’t even running.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn says, “It looks like he just calmly came back into the store; went and got another gun; and shot the guy. Case closed!”

            You’re basing you decision on what “it looks like” to you? You obviously could have filled any one of twelve sets of shoes on that jury. Facts Karolyn, facts…not what it looks like or what it appears to be. You cannot tell me with a straight face that you know from what “it looks like” in the video that Parker no longer posed any type of threat to Ersland.

            Again, pure conjecture on your part.

          • Kate8

            JeffH – Sigh. You just can’t fix stupid.

            Why we keep trying, I don’t know. I do know that if I kept getting beaten up the way some folks do here, I’d find somewhere else to play.

            Kind of blows your mind at times, doesn’t it?

          • karolyn

            Well, you don’t have all the facts and you’re standing by your take! Why shouldn’t I? None of us heard all the evidence provided in court; so none of us are qualified to take a stand. And Kate, I could care less what you think. You think I get beat up? It just gives me more incentive to state my case. Know-it-alls just get me pumped!

          • JeffH

            Kate8, :) I’ve been harping that for quite some time. There are those that are so naive, some that just can’t understand or comprehend anything at all and babble on and on, those that come here just because they can and lastly those that get paid to disrupt the threads.

            Have you ever noticed how peacefull this board is when there aren’t the distractors on board? Have you ever noticed how we can agree to disagree with each other and not take it pesonal? I’ve seen it all, like you, and experienced it all and I can tell you with confidence that the progressive/liberal/communist/socialist/Marxists that frequent this board have cornered the market on meaness and hate.
            We understand their game and that irritates the heck out of ‘em.

            As for the rest…well you already covered it.

        • FireMall

          @ Karolyn: AGAIN !! whew
          What makes you so sure that the Punk wasn’t getting his wits back / second wind so to speak after the first wound and was going for a Heil Mary attempt at neutralizing Ersland {the punk’s immediate threat] and main obstacle to finishing his original robbery plan and escape plan / route ??
          Never mind: I forgot that anything you and all Liberal’s “Assume” is Always Actually Based in Fact. And based on Non-Facts for the sole purpose of being Right at all cost. Not too much different than the Prosecutor that also Assumed for the wrong reason. I.E. Political aspirations, just as all District attorneys are prone to do.

          • karolyn

            I base what I say on what I read.

          • Kate8

            OMG.

    • Dan az

      DavedL
      How do you know that he wasn’t trying to get up or reaching for his gun?He could have been screaming that he was going to kill him and moved or reached for his gun.The problem here is that know one can see or hear what is taking place only assuming that he was just laying there innocently.With out the facts you are just assuming so think about it.

    • Vicki

      DavidL writes:
      “Once the teenager was shot, however, he was down and represented no further threat. At that point, self-defense is no longer at issue. If Mr. Ersland was worried about the teen still being a threat, he should have approached him, prepared to shoot again if the teen represented another imminent threat. The teen did not. ”

      Were you there? if not, what evidence do you bring to substantiate your claim that parker presented no further threat to Ersland or anyone else?

      From the video Mr. Ersland did EXACTLY as you claimed he should have. Mr. Ersland approached parker prepared to shoot again. The teen represented another imminent threat. (Evidence presented by the only eyewitness) Mr. Ersland fired and neutralized the additional threat.

      Since Mr. Ersland did EXACTLY as you said he should why do you now condemn Mr Ersland?

  • cathy w

    yes this has been going on for years,texas is a bit more lax
    good self defence law

    were just starting to hear more ,because of internet etc,
    this has been going on for years..

    BETTER RUN BETTER TAKE COVER….WERE NEXT

  • James

    Then, there was O.J. Simpson.

    • Wayne937

      Yes! once upon a time there was O.J. Simpson. This man got off with murdering two innocent people. What a shameful jury to do something like this.

  • Ben

    The article failed to mention how many times Jerome shot Antwun. I recall the news mentioned that Jerome shot him five more times.

    Regardless, to keep shooting to make sure the suspect is dead is murder.
    If the first shot killed him, that would be understandable, but the first shot more likely disabled him (from his gun) as he withered in pain.

    I say, shoot to disable first, than shoot to kill. It is like shoot first, ask questions later.

    He chased Antwun’s accomplice for a short time, rather than run with his co-workers? He is disabled, but could not escape? Yet, ran after the accomplice? OooooooKay.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “I say, shoot to disable first, than shoot to kill.”

      Wrong. Shoot for center of mass with a double tap. If you are panicked, and if they are still moving, continue to shoot until you hear a distinct “click” from your gun. If you are well trained and have your witts about you don’t empty your gun because there may be another threat you need to pay attention to.

      Do NOT step away, go get another gun, and pump five rounds into someone on the floor. That’s just not right.

      Rob

      • Vicki

        So if the perp is still moving after you shoot him (n times) you are supposed to just stand there and let him take his turn?

        You have been playing too much dungeons and dragons.

      • Ben

        Robert Smith,

        I am not a gun owner. I am not trained. Thanks for the tip and your insight. I was not there, but I do not think 5 extra bullets in that teen was right. I suppose I would drop the gun after I get shot. That is me. I would surrender. That is me.

        Thanks.
        Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

    • Rcaston

      Ben you are 100% wrong. As a gun owner with a CCW permit I have been taught that you NEVER EVER shoot to wound. If you are going to draw, and fire your weapon you are doing so to KILL. Yes, I know that sounds horrible to the libs floating around here but you are not supposed to even use a weapon UNLESS, and UNTIL you are in fear for your life. Once that boundary is crossed your goal is to KILL and nothing less.

      • Vicki

        RCaston. Stay out of California. It is a felony in Calif to shoot to kill.

        • Ben

          Vicki,
          If Obama gets his wishes, that will happen to rest of America.
          Obama and U.N. are in bed together.

          Ben W. (not the author of the main article above).

      • Ben

        Rcaston,
        Thanks for your reply. I admit, I am not a gun owner. I plan to, but just can’t afford it.

        I can’t imagine pointing or shooting someone. The thing was he shot the guy, then ran after the other guy, then gave up and returned, only to shoot more. I was not there, I did not read the court’s transcript. However, if Antwur still had control of the gun, then it is understandable.
        If he did not, not acceptable. Again, I was not there.
        Thanks for sharing your insight as a gun owner.

        I am no liberal.

        Ben W. (not the author of the main article on top of this blog – Just a commenter).

    • 45caliber

      Ben:

      If someone else has a gun pointed in your general direction and is threatening to kill you, you do NOT shoot to wound. You never think of that. You never even aim. You simply point your own gun at his middle and shoot, hoping you’ll hit him. If you are good at pointing (and you can learn to be) you will probably hit him. But kill him? Probably not.

      It takes a lot to kill most people. Even shot through the heart, a man will not always go down immediately. That will also depend upon the bullet used. A NYC police sergeant spent 30 years studying this and found that a .22 has only a 33% chance of dropping a man if it goes through his heart. A 9mm has only a 45% or so of doing the same thing. A .357 has about an 85% change of dropping him. A .44 magnum has a 98.5% change and a .45 has a 98.6% change.

      So don’t talk about aiming and planning to only wound him. Chances are that you will do like everyone else in a similar situation. Shoot until he goes down while trying to point at his widest section. NO ONE AIMS IN SUCH A SITUATION.

      • 45caliber

        I meant to say “chance” not “change”.

      • Ben

        45caliber,
        “chance”, I get it. Midsection. OK. I do not own a gun, nor to I know how to shoot. My mom told me it was not polite to point, so I do not have enough practice to point the gun at their midsection. LOL

        Thanks for your reply. Your insight is important as you seem to be a gun owner.

        Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

      • Wayne937

        When you shoot to wound, you will sued by the criminal as what happened in one of the western states, may have been Kansas, I am not sure now, a few years back. You had better shoot to kill unless you want to lose all you savings as this man did.

    • sybucket

      “Shoot to disable first then shoot to kill”—–Man you got it 100% wrong. Every self defense course, every combat course, every Firearms qualification course on the planet says, Shoot to Kill. Period. If someone is trying to take you out, or you even THINK they are, kill ‘em! At that point it is you or them. You want a count of how many people have been killed by a “Wounded” perpertrator? It is a well known fact that, even shot/stabbed with a fatal wound, the “dead” person can still kill you before they die. As odd as it may sound, it has been proven that it can take 10 seconds from a fatel would before the brain knows it’s dead. With adrelain pumping, in 10 seconds, how many times do you think a trigger can be pulled?

      One of the Men awarded the medal of Honor in Vietnam was shot through the heart, but still managed to save the life of two of his buddies and put a guy on a Helicopter before he himself died. You don’t shoot until you think they are dead, you shoot until THEY think they’re dead.

      • Vicki

        The courses do NOT say shoot to kill. They say “shoot to stop” 2 to center of mass. Or 2 to center of mass and one to center of ocular cranial cavity.

        You accept the fact that the person will probably die but you NEVER EVER shoot to kill or wound. (Especially in California :) )

        You only shoot to stop the threat.

      • Ben

        sybucket,

        Interesting information you shared. I did not know that they can still shoot to kill 10 sec. after being fatal shot at.

        Come to think of it, I remember seeing something like that in movies. I thought it was just for drama effect.

        You gun owners out there are convincing me alright. Thanks.
        Assuming you are gun owners as you may have taken courses on gun safety or other topics.

        Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

    • Vicki

      Ben. Stay out of California. It is a felony in Calif to shoot to disable.

      • Ben

        Vicki,

        LOL, thanks for the warning. Stay away from Calif. Just know that I do not own a gun. Not yet.

        Shoot to stop, not kill. I like that, but those gun owners obviously took the course and know to shoot to kill, which is to stop them.

        Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

  • cathy w

    NOW THEY WANT TO SCARE US OUT OF OUR GUNS[I DONT OWN ONE] BUT DO BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT RIGHT

    “DISARM THE PEOPLE”THEN ONLY CROOKS AND GOV HAVE GUNS,THATS HOW THEY WANT IT..
    a diabolical scheme..
    http://www.reg6.com

    • Ben

      CATHY W. HEY CATHY!!!

      Thanks for sharing your link. I am in the middle of Chapter 7. I had been reading that all day, since I left my first post this morning. YIKES!

      I shared it on my FB page. Now, where will I go to worship on Saturdays? The Sabbath. I sure want the Seal of God. So many thanks.

      Sealed on my Forehead and my hand. Now I know.

      Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

  • Kenny Hildenbrand

    Been there done this, they survived. If they fall down, or turn and run, you can’t touch them. Didn’t spend a day in jail. I knew the rules. Man was and is a warrior, was in the moment. No analysis, just do.

    • Vicki

      If they fall down you can’t touch them. Till they pickup the gun and point it at you again. THEN you can (and better) touch them. Hard.

  • texastwin827

    I’m sure my comments will not be met with favor anymore than Karolyn’s have (and I am a conservative) but I can assure you that Ersland was likely convicted under OK State law because of the last 5 shots. Even though TX has some of the best gun laws, in the country, most likely he would have been charged here, too. In TX, you are NOT allowed to pursue your perpetrator because it’s assumed you have neutralized the threat, if they are running away.

    The fact that this kid was wounded seriously enough that he couldn’t get up and run, after he was shot, would suggest (by law) that his threat had been “neutralized”, thereby rendering the last 5 shots as unecessary.

    Did he do the world a favor by eliminating what would likely be a career criminal and one who would likely harm someone in the future (given he used a gun at age 16)…YES. Being outraged over his being charged and convicted should spur all of you to make sure your own state’s laws protect the victim…so how many of you are willing to fight to see that done, in your state? Likely none of you will….and therein lies the problem.

    • 45caliber

      I saw an article in the Houston Chronicle a few years ago. A woman was awakened by sounds in her living room. She got a gun and went to check. She found a man trying to steal her television.

      She shot him. He fell down, got back up, and she shot him again. Again he fell down, got back up and ran into the kitchen. She chased after him and shot him again. Again he went down. She started to shoot him again but the gun jammed. She ran back to the bedroom, got another gun, and raced back to the kitchen. He was still laying there without moving so she called the police.

      The police complimented her on doing a good job.

      I think this blows your theory that the Texas police would have charged her for chasing him.

  • Bob

    There are still a lot of questions here? I live in OKC and have seen much coverage of this. First of all, I am a fair minded person. I am also very conservative. There is absolutely no question Mr. Erslund made the right choice initially. There were other employees in the store and that is a factor as well. He was not only protecting himself but other younger, females. What would I do? I don’t know, until I am in that situation, I don’t know. I know I would shoot initially, unquestionably, but 5 more shots. Maybe, why 5 more shots, maybe it was anger, then that is a crime, but what if it was fear? Yes, he went back, but it still was all so fast, 5 more shots, maybe it was certainty, I hope revenge was not an issue. I would have felt violated, afraid, after just being horribly confronted and I would have reacted, maybe irrationally a bit. I am sure I would not be at my ‘best’ in the heat of the moment. How many should he have fired, would 1 more be alright, or perhaps 2 is permitted, well, then let’s allow 3, or mmm, 4? 5 that is the magic number maybe. You can shoot 4 more, but not 5, so make sure you watch that Dirty Harry movie, because even Inspector Callahan, lost count and could not remember in the heat of all that went on whether it was 5 or 6.

    No way this is first degree murder, at best it is second degree murder. I can’t get past that one. There is no pre-meditation here. The adrenaline was still in his blood at this point, and maybe he could have stood over the young man and held him, I like to think that is the noble course of action I would take, but, Antwun, rolled the dice and lost. You walk in and commit an armed robbery it is a game of Russian roulette.

    At best, Mr. Erslund deserves a slap on the wrist here. A sad message is being sent to society, that you better parse your bullets. I don’t think so! The message should be clear, yes, Mr. Erslund may, MAY, not have made the highest and noblest choice, but too bad, that was off the table when Antwun walked in and brandished a weapon.

    • Disgusted

      Exactly. The moment he made the decision to walk into that establishment brandishing a weapon with the intent to rob and possibly kill anyone that got in his way he gave up his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! He made the decision to threaten someone else’s life with a deadly weapon, then the person that was threatened had the right to defend himself in any fashion they deemed appropriate. If he was still moving on the ground and Jerome felt he was a threat because of that then he had every right to unload every round in that weapon until Antwan wasn’t moving any longer. Antwan had made his intentions clear when he walked into that store and those intentions didn’t change just because he was on the floor with a gun shot wound! He is a criminal – why are we all talking about his rights – criminals should have no rights! Jerome should be cleared and set free.

    • 45caliber

      You are walking down the street at night with your wife, son, and daughter. Ahead, a man comes running around the corner into view, racing toward you waving a knife. He is cursing loudly in rage. You have do a gun. Do you shoot or not?

      Democrat: How do I know he’s mad at me?
      Perhaps if I talked reasonably, would he leave us alone?
      If I threw the gun at him would he stop?
      I need to talk it over with my wife first.
      Could I shoot him in the leg?
      I really need to call and discuss this with several of my friends first.

      Republican: Bang!

      Texan: Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
      (Sounds of reloading)
      Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
      Wife: Good shooting, Hon!
      Daughter: Nice shot pattern, Dad!
      Son: I think I saw him move! Shoot him again!

      • Dan az

        45
        That’s good :) :)

      • JC

        Always enjoy that one. :) :)

      • Kate8

        45 – :) :) :)

      • Ben

        45caliber,
        LOL, I love the son’s reply. The daughter’s reply of pattern was cute.

        Listen here,

        My reason for not wanting to shoot to kill is because I am hoping they will come to Christ someday. Kill them, their “chances” of repenting are over.

        However, I understand your argument. Thanks again. I am no Demoncrat, err, I mean Democrat.

        Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

      • http://personallibertydigest lu Martin

        Very funny and entertaining…..I am a democrat and I say we need to get this guy over to AFGHANISTAN and give him as many toys as he needs….period….POOF….all over, but the crying….

  • Daniel Friedman

    I applaud Colonel Erstland for his actions, but he did not do it the right way. He obviously knew the law and once he started shooting, he could have emptied his gun. When he stopped shooting the first time, he had no right to finish the job unless the perp was still threatening him. I owned a liquor store in Queens NY. Had the opportunity to shoot a fleeing perp in the back as he ran away (without the money). I dearly wanted to do that. I would not have had any remorse, but I was aware of the law and the consequences so I let him run. Someone in previous commendtary mentioned OJ. That has nothng to do with this case. We all know that everyone gets the kind of justice they can afford.

    • 45caliber

      The Chicago Police Department used to have a training program to teach people when to shoot and when not to shoot. One section of it was to have the people watch different videos and decide – shoot or not shoot.

      One section of that had EVERY man fail it. You open the door and see a man trying to rape your wife. He sees you and runs. Do you shoot or not? EVERY man says, yes, shoot to kill.

      And I agree. If the man will attempt it once, he will again. And if you let him go, you are as guilty – in my book – of his future crimes as he is.

      • Wayne937

        45 Caliber, you have just made an excellent point. Good one.

  • http://www.justin.tv/dunlapdd Big D Dunlap

    I am like so many people in this chat, I think the man should be given a medal. However, were the self-defense laws breaks down is where it mandates what is a reasonable response. To some district attorney’s under all circumstances people should be as cool and calm as a trained killer, for example, one shot one kill. There are many facts of this case, but what I truly believe has happened is that the jurors found this man guilty out of fear. Out of fear of a community that would harassed them to no end and even possibly caused harm to them and their family members.

    I personally think this case went way too far and if there is not an appeal to this case strictly on the basis of extreme punishment, then I think a travesty of justice truly has been done. I for one will be more than glad to sign a petition for his release or at least, an appeal. And for those of you who are looking at this as a teenager or a child was killed, think about this. I live in the Atlanta area and it is not uncommon for 14 to 19-year-old males to rob a business, get what they want, and then kill people just because. Had the business owner given them the money there’s a good chance that he would be dead today. And I can guarantee you that there would have been no outcry from the community. What these folks rely on, in this case only reinforces the fact, that people will be afraid to defend themselves. These thugs realize that under the age of 18 most district attorneys will find it politically incorrect to try them as adults.

    So don’t blame the shop owner, blame our schools, their parents, their communities, and the legal system which is becoming more and more afraid to stand up to these little blight on society.

  • DroverKoen

    Let me see now. This guy killed the robber, he did not mean to harm the Robber, he meant to Kill the Robber. Well, he was the Victim, the Judge, the Jury, and the Assassin, my take is:
    One: the young man made a wrong decision
    Two: he was a (offensive word removed)
    Three: he is Dead
    Four: the rest of the (offensive word removed) cried foul
    Five: the citizenry yielded once again in the Name of Political Correctness”
    Six: If he had been White, Hispanic, Asian, Tongan, Muslim, we are talking “No Bill”
    SEVEN: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG THAT YOU DID NOT STAND UP FOR THIS PATRIOT, HE HAD THE BALLS TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT. I AM TIRED OF HAVING ONE SET OF RULES FOR “BLACKS” AND ANOTHER FOR EVERYONE ELSE. ANTWUN, SPEEDY WERE NOT SO DAMN FAST WAS HE, HE BE DEAD. MAY GOD FORGIVE HIS TRANSGRESSION AND MAY GOD WAKE UP THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

  • JoMama

    Very very sad………………….

  • Bill Johnson

    You bleeding hearts who are bemoaning the untimely “murder” of an armed robber are all taking the same line, “It’s murder because he was no longer a threat.” Antwan came into the store armed and dangerous. The only effective action against him would be deal him the death he threatened you with immediately.

    The colonels only mistake was using an inadequate piece. I carry a .357 magnum loaded with 143 grain JHP rounds to ensure if I have to use it, the enemy (don’t doubt it, he was the enemy) pays the price. The colonel probably bought that BS about a 9 mm being adequate. The police in New York City shot a man 75 times with 9 mms. They hit him with 43 rounds before he collapsed and died. BTW, he wasn’t armed at all, just had a cell phone in his hand. The US Army and Marines are now going back to the .45 ACP because it is enough to kill the enemy.
    God bless the colonel for doing what our “justice” system refuses to do, rid society of another scumbag. Carolyn, I know you sleep well at night. After all when a thug breaks into your house, police are only a phone call and two donuts away (probably 25 minutes). A thug can kill all your family if not stopped in less than 5 minutes.

  • JC

    “On May 19, 2009, Ersland went from unassuming pharmacist to killer. Just before 6 p.m., 16-year-old Antwun and a 14-year-old accomplice rolled into the Reliable Pharmacy, waving guns and demanding cash and drugs. Ersland’s co-workers escaped through a back entrance. Ersland, unable to flee due to crippling disability, fought back. Ersland shot Antwun first, and then chased Antwun’s accomplice for a short time before returning to find Antwun was still alive. A terrified Ersland retrieved a second weapon and emptied it into Antwun, killing him.”

    In as much as I’m a loud advocate for armed self defense and right to carry…I have to wonder…

    What state was Antwun in when Erslund returned to fire 5 more rounds into him? Was the criminal waving a gun? Or was he just laying there bleeding? If he was no longer a threat, then he was executed and that constitutes murder. If he was pointing a gun, then Erslund was correct in dispatching him.

    It’s a fine line between self defense and murder, and that line defines the right side and wrong side of gun ownership.

    • Disgusted

      Once again, who other than Jerome can say whether he still felt threatened by the criminal laying on the floor. If he says he felt his life was still in danger then how can you question it. The perp came into the building brandishing a gun and making threats! If Jerome perceived that he moved on the floor then the man that just threatened your life is still moving, he is still at threat. There was no premeditation, he was reacting to the situation and in that situation he felt his life was in danger so he sought further means of protection and defended his life. Period.

    • 45caliber

      JC:

      Your argument reminds me of a case in Dallas a few years ago. A man pulled into a parking lot at a mall in time to see another man pumping bullets into his ex-wife. She had fallen and the man was standing over her, emptying a 10 shot pistol into her.

      The driver pulled out a gun and yelled for the man to drop his gun. Instead, he turned toward the driver with his gun raised. The driver killed him.

      Later, after some checking, it turned out that the man’s gun was empty. A group of people from NYC flew down and demanded that the driver be charged with murder on the grounds that 1) the woman was already dead so the driver couldn’t claim he was trying to protect her and 2) the criminal’s gun was empty so he couldn’t have shot the driver even though he had turned toward the driver.

      The DA listened to their argument and then told them to go back to NYC. “I don’t know how the laws work in NY,” he told them, “but down here the criminal was the one at fault.”

      The same goes for this man. It doesn’t matter if the boy on the ground had a gun in his hand and was trying to get up or not. He was a threat – and he deserved to be shot. The man doing it should never have been charged.

      • Ret

        Amen! And my only comment is how many more of these vermin are going to be produced because planned parenthood is losing funding. I’m very much a conservative on most points, but not this one.

    • JC

      Disgusted and .45,
      It’s not an argument, it’s an observation.
      I wasn’t there and I haven’t seen any video of the actual events.
      I’m only pointing out the “legal” side of it.

      My Opinion is that a 9mm was insufficient to do the job in the first place. (someone else said the same thing) and that either way he should have unloaded the gun the first time he fired it.

      I do believe in Justice over “Law”.

      • JeffH

        JC, I have posted the video link in the first post. Watch it and decide if Parker was still a threat or not. The video is inconclusive in that regard which should create some doubt. That is why I can’t support a 1st degree murder charge against Ersland. Manslaughter at worst or justifiable homicide at best.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBBlEhmWNQ&feature=player_embedded

        • Kate8

          Plus, we can’t simply disregard the state of extreme fear for one’s life. In such situations, one would react without stopping to fully analyze the state of the situation or the possible consequences.

          People bleed for the feelings of alienation of the perp, but they disregard the feelings of fight-or-flight of the victim.

          • JeffH

            Yepper!

        • Vicki

          We DO have evidence in that video that the only witness felt parker was still a threat. That being Mr. Ersland. Who did fire thus giving evidence that parker was still (or had again become) a threat.

          • Dan az

            Viki
            Apparently his word is not good enough.They already had made up their mind that he was guilty just from the video.

        • Ben

          JeffH, and others,

          Thanks for sharing this link. I viewed it just now, and it looks to me he was not scared. He walked behind the counter, without looking back to make sure the suspect is not after him, then he got the gun and walked back to the suspect and shot him outright. He did not take short steps, to make sure it was clear, and shot him from the counter, no.

          It is obvious that the threat of danger was over, as he got real close and shot the suspect in cold blood. I would not do such a thing. I would call the police, looking over my shoulder, and let the police handle it.

          My final answer? He murdered the suspect in cold blood. The first shooting was great. The last, pure act of cowardice.

          No argument. I viewed the tape.

          Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

          • karolyn

            I wonder why it is that I can say the same thing you just said and be harrassed by the clique here, while no one says a word to you?

          • libertytrain

            Ok, I don’t agree with either one of you on this one. I don’t think any of us could make that determination unless we were unfortunately placed in the same situation. I don’t think the tape is clear enough to give us an indication of what the “robber” was doing. There’s too much info not available.

    • Bleh

      I care not what the status of the criminal was. He entered a place of business brandishing a firearm. For that reason alone he should be willing to pay the ultimate price and got what he deserved.

  • 45caliber

    One of the major problems with this – and with the publicity on our soldiers – is that the movie and TV industry depicts their heros (or anti-heros) as being perfect shots. The bad guys may miss but not the hero. Further, the hero always wounds when desired.

    Therefore many of the public believe that anyone can automatically hit exactly where desired – particularly if they are “trained soldiers”.

    That is false. In combat there is NO aiming. You simply point your gun in the general direction of the enemy and pull the trigger. Some people are much better than others but none actually aim if they are being shot at themselves. The only people I’ve ever seen who aim are snipers – and they don’t have anyone shooting back at them.

    Police work is the same. When someone shoots at a cop, they point their guns and shoot. Again, some are better than others are.

    And the public is generally even worse at it. So when you are being shot at, you shoot until the gun goes dry – even if the person you are shooting at goes down. Panic will cause that. Further, if the person is moving, he is a threat. How do you know he isn’t capable of still shooting at you? How do you know he isn’t reaching for another gun?

    This man was rail-roaded as far as I’m concerned. It is simply a move by prosecutors to try to eliminate self-defense as a reason to shoot back. The governor should immediately grant him a pardon. If anything he deserves a medal for getting another criminal off the street.

    • Dan az

      45
      There is a lesson there that everyone should heed and that’s practice makes perfect.I found that not all guns fit you and you need to find the one that dose.For me it was a Berretta 40 cal.that fit my hand that only needed to be pointed to hit the target consistently with out using the sites.Everyone of you need to go to the range and practice not using the sites and see if you have the right gun that fits your hand.That way there would not be any question to how many shots it takes.My self I’m a head shot only person and can do it consistently,its just takes practice.

      • 45caliber

        I agree about the practice. And I prefer head shots too. But you have to remember – some people have skulls with bone an inch thick. Bullets can glance from that. I therefore prefer both body and head shots.

        • Dan az

          45
          I agree but if your good they can see it coming.Thick skulls are a problem but at 1800 ftps and using black talons should get the job done.

  • Thor

    Again, my faith in the jury system is shaken by an irrational outcome. In a more famous case, there was, “if the gloves don’t fit, you must acquit!” Nobody seemed to remember that leather contracts (gets smaller) when directly exposed to moisture—including blood. This jury forgot—or was simply not instructed—that if the tables had been turned and “Speedy” Parker’s accomplice had done the same to Col. Ersland, Speedy would have been convicted of (or at least charged with) 1st degree murder right along with him even though he was not armed because he was participating in commission of a felony in which there was a homicide—which, by the way, should be the charge against the accomplice if he is ever caught, no matter who died or who did the killing. The result of reverse-engineering such an absurd outcome points to only one recipe—reverse discrimination at its finest, with a dash of juris activism and a pinch of jury vigilantism. Needless to say, if the accomplice is caught and if charges are brought against him in that local jurisprudential system, he will go free as quid pro quo for Speedy.

  • bobfromct

    Not much mention in all these comments for the real reason he went to jail……the perp punk thug was black. I don’t believe the black “community” is ever held responsible for producing thousands of these animalistic menaces to white people. Black on white crime (robbery, rape, carjacks) are skyrocketing. Regrettably, I have to say that bullets 3-6 were not necessary and he did take on the role of executioner. He did us all a favor by ridding us of this vermin and he should not have been convicted of 1st degree……lesser charge, shorter sentence. Media does not want to focus attention on crimes committed by blacks. Funny how on the radio or tv they’ll say “the perp is described as 5’10″, 180 lbs, wearing a dark blue hoodie and baseball cap” but they don’t mention the race.

    • karolyn

      Blacks commit more crime on their own race than on whites.

      • Thor

        Fact is…in this case it was two black kids and one white man. Statistics are irrelevant to such a jury outcome…unless you want to factor it in for two hundred years of retributive conciliation that would motivate a jury to collaborate in the quid pro quo.

      • Kate8

        karolyn – Blacks commit more crimes in general.

        • karolyn

          And?????????

      • http://deleted Claire

        I am going to shock the hell out of everyone but this is how I feel. I would have shot the dirty little creep too. I have no use for criminals. Now this man has to go to jail for killing a lowlife that was trying to rob him and possibly would have killed him. Feel sorry for the creep that got killed? Hell no I don’t. The little creep got what he deserved. I am hard-nose on this and I will never change my mind. As a child we were poor as hell, but my Mother taught me right from wrong- you don’t steal! You don’t lie! You don’t cheat! I can still hear her voice. She taught me that even though we were poor, we can make a good life for ourselves. And don’t lay the “bad childhood” crap on me. Everyone has a choice. Everyone! A person either lives a decent honest life or the life of a criminal. It is up to them.

        • http://deleted Claire

          One thing I wish to add–It makes no difference to me if the little creep was black, green, red, whatever. He still got what he deserved. I have no mercy for him.

          • Dan az

            Good for Claire. :)

        • Wayne937

          Claire, it sounds like you had my life style (being poor) except it was my Dad who lectured us kids about not lying, stealing and cheating. My parents were great parents. They have been dead for many years now, but I still appreciate how they raised us to be productive citizen, and to respect others.

  • Bert Cundle

    And there are some people want to take the guns away from Citizens… DAMN THEM! ! ! !
    AFTER THE CRIMINAL COURT HAS MADE THEIR Dicision. The “Department of Corrections”, takes Control… The Warden can put the Prisoner any place the warden & Staff Decide to… Even taken home & told to call the warden once a month. ( The Warden Uses the Prisoners, to their will.) Correction? Corruption!

  • Bert Cundle

    WHITE Vs. BLACK… WHITES ARE “GENERALY” MORE CIVILIZED!

  • Dave M

    I would imagine Ersland would have been extremely agitated to say the least and it was instinct, not forthought, to cause him to finish off the robber.

    Therefore in the absence of pre-meditation it is impossible to convict him of first degree murder.

    After all, who decided to walk into the store and rob it? The only pre-meditation displayed was by the robbers.

    I could see him being convicted in a country like Canada or Australia but the US?? Something is very wrong about this.

    • JC

      That’s a valid observation.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you.

  • H. Kirk Rainer

    This my first attention to the story of Ersland; my commments come from the above article and the preceeding postings.

    Most postings carry a common theme: commone law or commmon sense is the basis to question and even disagree with the verdict. But the criminal system is not about “common” anything; rather, it is about convenience…for the courts, their politic.

    As maddening and menacing as the matter is, the courts are not moral agents; so the debate or discussion over subsequent issues (race, return firing, etc.) become pointless given the power to prosecute (and convict) using self-incrimination.

    Consider that over 90% of criminal cases are ajudicated with the plea bargain (and not a trial)–but consider the contradiction to the Constitutional Right, the 5th Amendment against self-incrimination. Consider, finally, that our nation has the largest prison population in world history….

    For every court (decision) there is a courtier called Convenience.

    • Wayne937

      I’ll tell you what is wrong with these judges, most of them are extremely Liberal. Need I say more.

  • American Citizen

    Our so-called “Justice System” has been turned upside down. Who appoints these judges? They do have a say in cases such as this. It’s time for a revolution in this country starting at the top. There should also be term limits for judges. Then maybe their decisions will be according to the law. You wonder how much money changes hands.

  • David Warheit

    I just watched the video. Ersland fires and Parker falls down. The other robber flees and Ersland briefly follows him out the door. Ersland then returns to the store, walks right by Parker who is obviously lying exactly where he fell when shot, and goes to the back, and then after a short while returns, carefully bends over and empties his gun into the completely helpless and unarmed Parker.

    We live in a civilized nation. Trial and punishment is a function of the state. The death penalty, where it exists, is not for armed robbery. People who justify cold-blooded murder so the state can save money on prisons are clearly very dangerous people to be around; who knows what they will do (Did you see that guy swipe a candy bar? Gun him down!!)

    Congratulations to the State of Oklahoma. I, as a war veteran, salute you for what you have done.

    • JeffH

      David Warheit, I’ll refer you to my previous arguement. Where, in the video, does it show that Parker no longer poses a threat to Ersland?

      It doesn’t! Nuff said, I rest my case!

      • David Warheit

        Where? When Ersland walks by the prostate body of Parker without a care in the world, turning his back to Parker WHO WAS UNARMED AND ALWAYS HAD BEEN.

        You would make a great police officer: “Well, yes, I know he had his hands up and had thrown down his gun, but he might have had another one on him and he might have reached for it so I had to shoot him”.

        • JeffH

          Like I said, I rest my case…called the burden of proof my friend.

          • eddie47d

            The problem is you want to play Judge,Jury and Executioner and are loving it a little too much.

          • JeffH

            Jealousy is the tie that binds, and binds, and binds.
            Helen Rowland

          • eddie47d

            No jealousy at all maybe a little sympathy for your cocky attitude.Anyway neither one of us was on the jury and we never get the full story here. I do hope they can reverse his life in prison conviction. Like you said much earlier no more than manslaughter charges would be appropriate. Some say we weren’t in his shoes but we also weren’t in the jury’s shoes.

          • JeffH

            You can’t defend the indefensible – anything you say sounds self-serving and hypocritical.
            Diane Abbott

  • Lee M.

    Maybe our black president will pardon the COL for ridding society of
    a black piece of filth like antwun,,,perhaps eric holder will come to the COL’s aid in the name of justice…..BUT if this happend in Texas,
    the COL would be hailed as a hero,,,,and the police would be looking for antwun’ little black friend.,,,he would be easy to find,,,,he would be robbing women working in grug stores.

  • jopa

    Foe the Pharmacist to have guns in his store in the first place is an indicator of a bad neighborhood.Some of those in that neighborhood chose to live and die by the sword.We don’t have all the witness testimony or the facts of the whole story, but from what I have seen so far the veteran and pharmacist Jerome Ersland should be a free man.After the first O J Simpson juries findings, “Houston we have a problem”.

    • 45caliber

      Hey, we agree on something!

      • Vicki

        Impressive. I also find myself agreeing with Jopa.

  • Joey Biden

    There’s been a lot of comments both pro and con about this incident. Let’s look at some facts. Antwun “Speedy” Parker and his accomplice were 16 and 14 years old. Just boys. That is until they decided to use a gun in a criminal act. At that point they became dangerous adult criminals. Jerome Ersland was a business owner who kept a hand gun for protection in case of a terrifing situation such as robbery. That day came when Speedy and his buddy came into Jerome’s shop. Jerome did exactly the right thing by firing upon the threat and eliminating the threat. He sent a powerful message to other robbers. “Do not enter here to rob or harm me”. Is it time for all Americans to send the same message to all criminals? You be the judge. Remember these were two men with bad intentions. Should Jerome Ersland be in prison? I say no. I would not have fired as many rounds as he but the outcome would have been the same. Who can say what was in his mind as fear and adrenalin rushed through him.

    Free Jerome Ersland

    • 45caliber

      I agree. When someone has a gun pointed at you, you don’t see the age of the person. You only see the gun in their hands.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Joey Biden and JeffH,

      Those prosecutors are full of sh**t.Convicting Jerome was not only a travesty of justice,but could encourage criminals to rob and kill with impunity.Store owners or pharmcist would be reluctant to shoot for the fear being prosecuted,in a life and death situation that could be disastrous.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Forgot the “S” on pharmcist:

      • JeffH

        coal miner, this type of injustice is just what the liberls want.

        • eddie47d

          You know that isn’t true Jeff. Yet it fits into your anti-liberal scheme of things. Why would anybody want a potential criminal to cause harm to anyone. Nobody, that who! Both your heart and mind have been corrupted.

          • JeffH

            “He uses his folly like a stalker(stalking horse), and under the presentation of that he shoots his wit.”
            William Shakespeare

    • Wayne937

      Joey, I agree with you.

  • CJM

    Why is it when other people (especially whites) are victimized by blacks, nothing is done; yet when blacks become the ‘victim’, regardless of circumstances, the individual is hung before the trial even takes place? I’m sick of hearing that blacks are persecuted by our justice system. Truth is that there are more whites on death row in this country (see the stats on the Dept of Justice site) and more blacks receive a commutation of their death sentence to life without/with parole. Furthermore, blacks commit more crimes than any other group–again, look at the stats provided by the Dept of Justice. Fact: Jerome Ersland should never have been arrested in the first place, let alone be convicted and given a life sentence. He should have been given a medal.

  • Fergus

    What’s wrong with the Jury?? Were they mostly white or black members of the community??
    What ever they were they were probably aware that when a black person gets killed or injured if the person responsible is white and is not convicted it would cause riots in the city and the members of the jury would be afraid for their safety. Isn’t that what always happens in this country?? I think Jerome Ersland should have been (perhaps) reprimanded and given community service but NOT jail time.

    • karolyn

      He EXECUTED somebody!

      • 45caliber

        How do you know? How do you know that the man he shot was not still a threat?

        • Ben

          45caliber,

          I respect your views and read your replies to me and others, but as a deaf person, who is use to facial expression, body language, it looks to me the Jerome was not cautious as he approach the suspect already shot, he just brazenly went up to him and shot the hell out of him.

          That is execution. If it was me, I would go back to the counter between the counter and the wall, the same way Jerome came out of the store, and call police. Watch him. He went back way with his back to the suspect indicates to me Jerome was not in danger. Danger had passed, call the cops and let them handle from there. My view. Respect that.

          Ben W. (not the author of the main article at the top of this blog, I am just a commenter).

          • Vicki

            Ben writes:
            “He went back way with his back to the suspect indicates to me Jerome was not in danger. Danger had passed, call the cops and let them handle from there.”

            Let’s follow your argument. Mr Ersland walks back into the store and observes that parker is lying on the floor. Mr. Ersland goes behind the counter turning his back on parker (not very smart) and retrieves a loaded gun. He then approaches parker to ascertain the seriousness of the injuries. Parker moves and swings a gun up to aim at Mr. Ersland who then fires as there is a new danger.

            The first danger had passed but a new danger developed.

          • eddie47d

            Vickie; Maybe and maybe not. If there was reasonable doubt they would have had a hung jury and no conviction. They apparently saw something you and I don’t.

      • Dan az

        Karolyn you don’t know that!You only assume that.That’s the problem,all the evidence that was provided here is not enough to base a decision on.

        • Kate8

          45, Dan az – Give it up.

          Liberals judge things on how they think they SHOULD be, not based on the reality of the situation.

          Let her bleed for the perp. It makes her feel tolerant.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            Agreed!

          • Al Sieber

            I give up.

  • Holly

    This is outrageous. What can we do to help this veteran – any suggestions?

  • JeffH

    Free Jerome Ersland petition website – signatures needed.
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/free-jerome-ersland/

    • Dan az

      Jeff
      I signed it and left a response that makes it 5001.

    • Wayne937

      Jeff, I tried that website. After I filled everything out, and tried to complete it, the website locked up on my computer so I am afraid to try it anymore. I did try.

      • JeffH

        Wayne937, not sure what the problem was. I checked the link and went straight in and my Norton Security says the website is safe. Might want to try again later on. Good luck.

  • Charles

    Clearly, the law is this: You do not have the right to defend yourself until AFTER YOU ARE DEAD!

  • JeffH

    Ersland backers want him pardoned; appeal starting

    OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Attorneys for an Oklahoma City pharmacist began work Friday on the appeal of his murder conviction, while some stunned supporters asked Gov. Mary Fallin on Friday to pardon him.

    “We’ve already started,” lead attorney Irven Box said of the appeal, which will take months to complete.

    Defense attorneys are expected in their appeal to focus on the trial judge’s rulings against them. Ersland on Wednesday complained the trial was unfair because the judge barred testimony from other robbery victims about the stress they endured.

    “That’s what killed us was the witness deal,” Ersland said Wednesday. “I had real good witnesses.”

    One of the barred witnesses was Chad Jones, a pharmacist in Chelsea, in far northeast Oklahoma. An armed robber wanting drugs beat Jones and an employee with a hammer in 2007. Jones, 34, said Friday he would have told the jury, “You don’t know what you would do until you’re in that situation.”

    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Ersland-backers-want-him-pardoned-appeal-starting-1400168.php#ixzz1O8ZvIVjM

  • GRANDMA

    LEAVING ASIDE ALL THE QUIBLING OVER THE DETAILS, THE ONLY “CIVIL LIBERTIES” VIOLATED WERE MR. ERSLAND’S. THE JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN METEING OUT JUSTICE FOR MANY YEARS NOW. IF I WERE NOT AN OLD LADY W/LOW INCOME, I WOULD BE TRYING TO OBTAIN SOME MERCY AND JUSTICE FOR THIS MAN… I DO PRAY TO THE REAL SOURCE OF MERCY, JESUS, BOTH FOR THIS MAN AND OUR TERRIBLY OFF TRACK COUNTRY, WHICH I LOVE VERY MUCH.

    • Kate8

      GRANDMA – Very well said, and I second that.

  • Thamera

    So easy for people like karolyn to sit back and say what should have been done when you were not in that situation yourself and claim to be such a kind, loving, non-judgmental person. You are a sickening hypocrite and have no credibility whatsoever, especially talking about taking a life and murder. A woman who admittedly murdered (I would say executed) her own unborn child without any remorse, in fact saying that “it is easier than you think” and you of anyone have the audacity to sit in judgment of this man. There are not words enough to describe someone like you.

    • karolyn

      Thamer – It doesn’t matter what you say, Thamera, you won’t bring me down to your level.

      • Thamera

        No, you’ve got that wrong karolyn, it is I who will never stoop to your level karolyn. Keep living in denial…the truth is pretty harsh and you have found a wonderful way of subverting it. You are pathetic and I only feel sorry for you. Your own words betray you. LOL

        • eddie47d

          Thamera; Do you know the truth of this jury? That carries more weight than all the posters on this site.

  • i41

    I know the airy fairy PCed libards will disagree,but when drug users and dealers are jailed castrate all prison populations, so they don’t reproduce, second offense send them to some some island to stay there untill dead. Gang bangers who terrorize and shoot up areas, just dispose on site. Notice what is the biggest donators to the marxist/communist democrat party, the trial lawyer’s association. When cattle theivesand robbers were caught in the act if they didn’t get shoot in apprehension, the nearest overhang streched the worthless neck, no repeat offenders. Most of the overeducated dumb smucks like the Onumnutts use only theories as a thought process in stead of common sense and real experience thought process. When we keep allowing 3rd world tribal smucks keep getting special favors on sentencing, expect people like the pharmacists to get made the scap goat. When the niggardly behavior made vogue in the 60′s and 70′s, we are seeing the end result of another social engineer failure. Now we have the M&M crap, muslims and milegal fence crawling mexicans or any brown skinned thugs. If you want to live and work here behave and abide by the countries laws, even though the beltway smucks don’t. The state should tank the pharmacist for killing the worthless peice of dung, and should recall the judge.

    • http://personalliberytdigest GBE

      The deceased deserved what he got.. Is their a support fund for case appeal for the pharmacist? I would contribute..

  • FireMall

    When one’s actions trigger Another’s Re-Action and the “reaction” is a mix of basic survival instincts, Fear, topped off with anger, the actions of the instigator of the “reaction” should expect exactly what the results are of said reaction. PERIOD.
    IMO: The District attorney should have also considered the Laws of Nature before he stayed up all night trying to find a Written law that would support charging a Victim with what the Punk could have done if he was confronted & challenged to a lesser degree than the victim..

    Society’s laws are based on Nature’s simple laws. I.E. The Right of Self Preservation and self protection.
    Thus simple laws should be to the Victim’s Favor.
    What signal does imprisoning the Victim send to future Punks?
    I have no doubt that the many other punks /Friends that knew Autwan & saw the victim being treated as a criminal, saw it as vindication for their Punk friend’s death instead of a warning.
    Then inevitably, the Friends “Will” be the next mistreated Victimized criminals who fail to consider “Consequences” when they are dreaming up their next, get cash quick schemes but hopefully the Grand Jury draws the line on this BS and stands on the Law abiding Citizen’s side of the line..
    The jury, as well as the Judge handing out the sentence obviously have not ever had their Basic Instincts triggered by an Idiot that ignores Man’s Basic Human Nature’s reactions.
    BTW:–One needs to also recall that often a Jury is picked by experts who are Hired to choose people who would be more inclined to agree with the {likely a Gun hating Liberal} prosecutor’s BS opinion of Nature’s laws rather than the Jurors recalling their own instincts of how Man’s instincts react to certain circumstances.

    Lastly; I have to wonder if Ersland had beat the punk to death with his fist or rolling pin if the DAzz anti-gun prosecutor would have filed Premeditated Murder charges on the Victim.
    I have no doubt that the “Gun” was on trial here and the Victim was just collateral damage in a Bleeding heart Liberal Justice system & thus the Agenda of Redefining the Term “Victim” scores one more for the “O”/Zero Obama /Hillary gang..
    I.E. The End Results of the Liberal’s pet project “Agenda” of disarming the Law abiding people they are supposed to be “Serving” & Protecting By their Sworn Oath of Office.

    • Dan az

      FireMall
      I blame the jury for not following the rules of jury.If people knew the rules before going in I feel that justice would prevail.Case in point:
      Here are some comments from a person who was brought up for indictment: “Obviously a grand jury could not fulfill its duties if it is only allowed to hear evidence which the government chooses to let it hear. Therefore, while I would be more than happy to answer any questions that you or members of the grand jury may have, and while I have no intention of engaging in a prolonged, unlimited monologue, there is additional information which must be provided to the grand jury in order for the members thereof to thoroughly perform their Constitutional duties. I trust that you, the prosecutor, will not attempt to censor me, or suppress such information from being seen by the grand jury, when I am testifying.” The grand jury refused to indict her after hearing her testimony, by the way.
      Find out if there is a sign-up sheet to volunteer to get on grand juries in your county, state, and federal jurisdictions. Sign up if you can! It is the best way to put a lid on out-of-control government prosecutions. If you are serving on a grand jury, you have the authority and the duty to call in the person or persons being accused, to dismiss the prosecutor and government employees from the room, and to question and hear from the person the prosecutor wants to charge. You have the duty to ensure that no person is brought to trial unless there is obvious and sufficient evidence to return an indictment. As a grand juror, you are the first line of defense for private citizens against ambitious prosecutors and unconstitutional laws being used against The People.

      • FireMall

        Dan az—–Believe it when I say from experience that the Prosecutors and likely the Judge also will & do use their Positions & the Power of intimidation in a court room to sway the jury.
        The facts & evidence these days are secondary distractions when these kind of Prosecutors & Justices are sitting in position of such power that they think they are the Law before any written laws.

        BTW; Seems like there are 2 reasons for the degree of punishment handed down.
        1– The intent & level of the offense.
        .
        I don’t see how the State proved Malicious intent when self defense was the initial cause of the Defendant’s action.
        For instance; a typical bar room fight where the assailant gets beat half to death or more for slugging an innocent patron minding his own business. I.E. the gloves are off and the limits are no longer a part of the fight.

        2—- Would be the reason for the degree & severity of a sentence to begin with. I.E. To deter future crime / action from occurring again from the convicted person. As well a message to others as a deterrent.

        Once again , the Sentence is excessive as were the Charges.
        Ersland poses no more threat to society now than he did before the Real Threat created a situation that ruined a man innocent of Malicious intent regarding another person’s life.

        Once again, It was the Punks intent that created the situation.
        If the Punk had lived and actually not been let off the hook as an adult from his adult behavior, would the punk have been charged with a Federal offense of attempted robbery of a Disabled Person. Not likely.
        The Punk Probably would have been sent to Juvenile Rehab youth prison and let out after he conned the parole board into thinking he was no longer a threat to society. It happens more times this way than the other way.
        My oldest son is a Parole officer. He says 99% of his clients / parolees are never going to get it right & or straighten their acts up for any period of time that would come close to saying they have been rehabilitated.
        IMO; The Government has No business wasting time on Rehab unless the Punks make the first move without prompting the Perp into becoming a con artist along with being a Felon.

        • Dan az

          FireMall
          I feel that when they do go to jail that’s win the true teaching begins.I’ve talked with people that spent allot of time in and they will admit that they should have never been let out.They cant seem to make the change on their own.Sad but true.

  • S.C. Murf

    Why didn’t Jerome stay outside until the police arrived? If he felt threatened why go back in?

    up the hill
    airborne

    • JeffH

      Someone had to call 911…Ersland must have felt that Parker still posed a threat when he re-entered the store to call the cops.

      • S.C. Murf

        JeffH, Come on now, all the cell phones in this world and he had to go back in and get his or use a land line? He didn’ instead he got another gun and fired point blank. I am not defending the perp, he took a gun to rob he deserved to get stopped. I know all about adrenalin. First firefight I didn’t even know I had pissed down my leg until it was all over. After awhile it didn’t mean nothing to just keep on shooting. But we are here in the states. Is this where we have gotten to? Just the other day west coast everyone just stood there and watched a man (human being) die from hypothermia and drowning. This is what they want us to become, dead hearts and not giving a crap about each other. He did not have to go back in and empty another clip into the perp. Hell he could have done what we used to do, pull back and call in casper with his mini’s and then call in the 155′s. I’m sorry and I’m as conservative as they come, in this case he should have conserved a few rounds.

        up the hill
        airborne

    • Vicki

      Obviously Mr Ersland went back in to secure the building and defend the other employees in the building. There was a potential killer (parker)in there with them.

  • JeffH

    A relevant piece of information about Ersland’s trial.

    Defense attorneys are expected in their appeal to focus on the trial judge’s rulings against them. Ersland on Wednesday complained the trial was unfair because the judge “barred testimony” from other robbery victims about the stress they endured.

    “That’s what killed us was the witness deal,” Ersland said Wednesday. “I had real good witnesses.”

    • FireMall

      @ Jeff:
      That explains it all. The Judge also had no intentions of seeking justice. It’s a known fact that the Prosecutors have financial interest along with appearance issues which ,imo, taints the trial from the get go.
      The Judge barring witness testimony that would colaberate the Heat of the moment Defense statement was a cicken Sheet stunt. The Jurors should Never be prevented from hearing any & all sides of the issue. Anything less is Pure Liberal Spin solely meant to Control what the Jury hears & decides. as Per Their Duty as Peers.
      The Judge overstepped his preconceived opinion of Guilt by Assuming the Jury could not do so by all available evidence. Which would also Prove that the Judge was Not being Impartial. Much the same as 90% of all Criminal & Civil Trials are now done these days. . The Judge is also the Prosecutor, Investigator, Jury & Executioner. So; OJ’s Trial “Is” synonymous to this case.
      A Real Judge Commanded by an Oath to remain Neutral until the Jury renders “Their” verdict by weighing “ALL” available Evidence.

  • chuckb

    let’s reverse the situation, say a white man robbed a store in the watts area in los angeles, brandishing a handgun and threatening the life of the clerk. the white robber gets shot by the clerk, the headlines in the los angeles times would read: brave clerk shoots armed white racist during a holdup, after the man went down he was still moving, the brave clerk had to shoot the white racist again fearing for his own life. jury finds clerk innocent of all charges, due to the stigma his great great grandfather was a slave and this all flashed thru his mind as he emptied 15 rounds in to the slave masters great great grandson, jury finds him innocent of all charges.

    • karolyn

      You are full of it!

      • 45caliber

        Unfortunately, he’s probably right.

      • Thamera

        yep, you sure are (full of it) karolyn lol

      • Joey Biden

        Where do you live Disneyland???

    • eddie47d

      chuck; Why would he be a white racist? or are you trying to turn this into a racial situation> A person who robs a store no matter who he is is a robber and could care less what the person behind the counter looks like.

      • JeffH

        eddie says, “A person who robs a store no matter who he is is a robber and could care less what the person behind the counter looks like”…Are you sure about that and this is your fact?

        String of Racially-Motivated Attacks Hits Denver, Police Arrest 34 Suspects – November 30, 2009

        All but one of 35 suspects has been arrested by Denver police in connection with a string of racially motivated beatings and robberies in the Mile-High City. Those arrested are all black males, including some juveniles. Their alleged victims were white or Latino males.
        http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/11/30/string-of-racially-motivated-attacks-hit-denver-police-arrest-35-suspects/

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    As my father taught me, ” if you want justice don’t look for it in court, you get it from the barrel of a .45.” I wonder who was on the jury ?

    • Wayne937

      Gunner689, I would say a bunch of idiots was on the jury, or they would never have convicted this man.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    6-2-211

    Wiselady says:

    The ACLU needs to join the lawyers who defended Ersland to push for an immediate appeal. This is what we get with liberal judges. Was the jury,composed of all black jurors?

    Thanks, GRANDMA, for your love and devotion. I,too, will be praying for this man and his family. Perhaps we need to initiate a, “patriotic revival”, this coming 4th of July!

  • GunbearerM1G

    I do not condone vigilantes or lynch mobs. However, when one chooses to take up a weapon and go into the city robbing and threatening working citizens with deadly force, the perpetrator cannot choose the consequences of his action.

    By the way, if forced to shoot in self defence, you shoot to stop, not kill or wound. When you shoot to stop, whether or not he dies doesn’t usually come into play if you had reason to fear for your life and the only option was deadly force, and escape from the situation was not possible. However, if the aggressor is shot and is wounded to the point where he is incapacitated and incapable of further resistance, you do not shoot. It is a good idea to keep an eye on this person in this situation, as criminals have been known to fake being wounded. If reporting the incident to the police after being forced to fire in self-defense and they ask if the suspect is still alive, the defender should tell the police that the medical status of the fallen perp is unknown. Unless the wounded perp is actually going for, or points a gun at you that he has hidden on his person, you legally cannot “finish him off.”

    Before you all accuse me of being mamby pamby, I have taken a course in armed self-defense and read as many articles and books as I can get my hands on on the subject. It’s all well and fine to second guess me, but if you are in that situation, don’t second guess a jury.

    • Wayne937

      Gunbearer, I have heard cases where a criminal was shot and wounded and then he ended up sueing the man that shot him and the gentleman lost everything he worked for in a life time. So you situation does not work either. This man should have never been tried, period.

  • BimBam

    I read this story. This man SHOULD NOT BE IN JAIL. He simply put a violent man down the only way one knows, you SHOOT THEM DEAD, VERY DEAD. You have no choice!

    They should bury the the violent man and let Mr. Ersland go. He has suffered enough having to carry out a duty the lawyers and judges should have done. Heck he should get part of their pay and we should make a law so.

  • Push comes to shove

    The only think Ersland did wrong was not emptying his clip into before going after the second one.

    He is a veteran and a hero in my book.period.

    This TEXAN says, Yippyy Ki Aye and Adios scumbags

  • Push comes to shove
  • http://GBVieto@hotmail.com George B Vieto

    Jerome got a raw deal from the “justice system” some gratitude for his service to our nation. A dark day for America.

  • 45caliber

    Several years ago now, in Chicago, a young clerk was sent to the pen for assault. It seems that the “victim” was a robber. He robbed the store, took a display of watches, walked to the door, and then turned around with his gun up. The clerk, who had picked up a gun from under the counter, shot him in the leg.

    The clerk insisted that he thought the criminal was going to shoot him. The criminal insisted he was only going to warn him to keep his mouth shut. The prosecutor dismissed all charges against the criminal to get him to testify in court against the clerk. Because all charges had been dismissed, the defense was not allowed to tell the jury that the “victim” had actually robbed the store and had threatened the clerk. So the jury found him guilty.

    The prosecutor said his act was important because he didn’t want the people to think they could shoot at criminals.

    The real problem was that the clerk shot the criminal in the leg and didn’t finish him off.

    • Wayne937

      What a stupid prosecutor. The local news should have carried this for the citizens to see who voted for this idiot. I know I would never vote for a man like this. We have too much of this crazy injustice in the world.

  • http://yahoo Leonard W Giddens Jr

    I in no way side with the low life. I speak from experence.The only difference is, I am a negro and the deceased was white. I was only defending myself back in 2003 against a young white man 25 years my junior. I had to shot him twice to stop him after I made an attempt to retreat, because what appeared to be a long gun when he got out of his truck to come after me to make good on his threat to kill me for telling him to put down his cell phone before he kills somebody. He had moved to the on coming trafic lane twice, and when he forced me over when I got a chance to pass him, is when I told him to put down that m-f phone before you kill somebody.Since he told me, we kill n-ggers around here and I did not know the area I pulled in front of a little store where I thought there would be people to see what was about to happen, and not go down the road where no one would witness. Any way, after his long gun turned out to be a 4ft. steel rod with a hook, I told him to trop it, when he refused, I tried to get back in my truck to leave. That’s when he tried to take my head off with his weapon of choice. It took two shots to stop him. One in the Abdoman and one in the throat. I was charged with two counts of murder, aggravated assault and voluntary manslaughter. According to witness for the state, it was self defense, but after the medical examenor ahd the coroner both made out reports that never mentioned the wound to the throat, but inflicted a wound on the deceased’s left side of the head and told the jury, the man was in a fetal position when shot the secound time,I was convicted of aggravated assault. The NAACP would not return repeated phone calls from my wife for help. It is the scum that groups like the ACLU and the NAACP with stand up for. All I have been getting for the last 8 years is obstruction of justice by all concerned, from the GBI to the US District courts. You must remember, it is the low life that keep these people working.

    • Wayne937

      Leonard, it sounds like you received a raw deal from the justice system. I have heard of this so many times it make me sick in the stomach. A lot of the stupid D.A.’s and judges don’t have any common sense. A lot of juries don’t use common sense either. I was in law enforcement for many years. I know that is how most law enforcement officers feel also. I have always said that it should be made a requirement for all district attornies, and judges to have to serve in law enforcement for 3 years before they can become a D.A or a judge. In this way they could see both sides of the coin. I wish you a lot of good luck in your future endeavor with this situation.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Civilized society is perpetually menaced with disintegration through this primary hostility of men towards one another.
    Sigmund Freud:

  • Pete from Australia

    Glad he shot them, took useless pieces of scum off the streets.
    We have similar useless judges who are politically correct to the point of insanity.
    I’ll put some cash up to support this man, as I feel that he has been railroaded by this increasingly sick system of justice.
    Civilized society is menaced by out-of-control criminals who increasingly stamp on other people’s rights to a peaceful life and then cry “victim” when anyone tries to stop their anti-social activities.
    If anyone can point to a support website, I’ll gladly donate to help the appeal.

  • ONFINAL69

    So,another real american bites the dust in his own country. How about it folks? I have left the country never to return,th US is a pile of s–t and it keeps getting deeper. I send praise to all that stand and fight against tyranny,disjustice in what used to be the greatest nation on earth and is now laughing stock the world over. I spent 3 years in Kuwait,even they see what is going on, I am now in the Philippines where I can actually find peace. Justice here isn’t much better,but at least I can carry a gun and protect myself.The bad guy s are coming after you and they got the courts to back them.

  • Wayne937

    If I had been on the jury I would have voted for not guilty. A man has a right to protect himself, his family, or his property. I guess the D.A. in ths case is trying to make a name for himself. I wish him a speedy release from prison.

  • jopa

    I would never be able to convict Jerome Ersland.He was trained by the military of the greatest country in the world and I would have to rely on his judgement call in this matter.We didn’t see what the perp on the floor was doing or what he was saying, and he may have made a threatening gesture.The crooks probably thought they were going to knock over some geek pharmacist and found out too late he was ex- military instead.Sucks to be them.

  • Dan az

    So you’re a sick senior citizen and the government says there is no nursing home available for you – what do you do?
    Our plan gives anyone 65 yrs and older a gun and 4 bullets.You are allowed to shoot 4 politicians- not necessarily dead!
    Of course, this means you will be sent to prison where you will get 3 meals a day,a roof over your head,central heating,and all the health care you need!New teeth – no problem.Need glasses,great.New hip,knees,kidney,lungs,heart?All covered.(And your kids can come and visit you as often as they do now).
    And who will be paying for all of this? The same guvmnt that just told you that they cannot afford for you to go into a home.
    Plus,because you are a prisoner, you don’t have to pay any income taxes anymore.
    Ain’t America Great?

  • steve in AZ

    Even a wounded Bambi can mess you up if you approach before it is 100% dead.

    Just saying- lol

  • element man

    Government is out of control at all levels.

  • GunbearerM1G

    I do believe that a message has to be sent to these punks who live for nothing but to rob and plunder. One can choose a life of violent crime and terrorize “weak” victims. One thing that I have mentioned in my last post, you can choose to rob and kill, but when your potential victim turns the table on you and puts you in the hospital or worse don’t be surprised. There are consequences for taking up violent crime, only one cannot choose what the consequences will be.

  • Ben

    karolyn says:
    June 3, 2011 at 7:35 am

    “I wonder why it is that I can say the same thing you just said and be harrassed by the clique here, while no one says a word to you?”

    My reply: LOL. I think it is the attitude in our words that makes the differences.

    • JeffH

      Ben, no doubt about it.

  • Kate8

    As I see it, one of the biggest problems in the miscarriage of justice as we have here is the lawyers. They are in it to win it, not see that justice is served.

    They couldn’t care less about guilt or innocence. In fact, they don’t even want to know.

    They will all they can to limit the facts to those that support their case, and block evidence that might hurt it, not matter how pertinent.

    Just more evidence of the sorry state of America.

  • AustinAndy

    Too bad this did not happen in Texas. Would have taken the jury about thirty minutes to find him not guilty. That would include the time to order and eat take out.

  • http://personallibertydigest lu Martin

    As a veteran with post traumatic stress disorder, I can certainly see similarities here in the actions of the pharmacist..PTSD..The nature of the illness is that you are really NOT thinking for yourself….the ptsd is in control….and your reaction is towards your experiences in the past, and how many…..It really sounds as if (his) former military trainng had “kicked in ” due to the way he came back to the (victim) a second time, and made sure the boy was no longer alive…Actually, from a legal standpoint, one should always empty the entire clip or chamber at first confrontation…but I am certain that there was a bit of concern due to the 2nd suspect who ran away….if this had been the scenario, it is doubtful he would have been incarcerated….however, legal stance is geared to which the second round of shots (causing death) were based upon a different degree and motive than the first volley, as there was no longer much of a viable threat of harm to himself after the wounded kid lay prostrate…..and, a jury is likely to have seen this as (overkill)..especially, if the young boys were NOT carrying big-time HEAT…But what a jury MUST understand is that, as a pharmacist, one pretty much lives in FEAR….a very high-risk job….Guessing here, but due to increased joblessness and the high crime rate, it is likely that soon we may see all pharmacies and convenience stores with hightened security….and prices will rise to cover the costs….Personally, this story has a sad ending,and my sympathies are NEVER with the (injured) thief….In the Middle East, if you steal, your (offending) hand is chopped off….not so much crime over there….If I could fit a 9mm in my tiny purse, I swear, I would never leave home without it…….Some lawyer he had….Even I could talk my way outta that mess….without benefit of counsel….who, by the way, must have (finally) passed the Bar Exam on his 13th attempt…In THIS country you get to CHOOSE your jury during selection….who in the world would have chosen THAT rag-tag measly bunch of fools….shame on those folks who came out to (protest) on behalf of the young punks….I say RELEASE this man and send him to AFGHANISTAN, where he can kick as much Affie butt as he would like…and, then give him a 30-day vacation, before you convoy him to duty in IRAN….and, that’s my take on it….sorry…

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    It’s not often when some of us get the chance to take out the trash. Those rare times should be cherished and celibrated. The good Colonel should have been given the Citizen of the Year Award and made an Honorary Deputy Sheriff. Some people just deserve killing.

  • SiliconDoc

    So the cops can blaze out with 77 rounds ALL of them emptying their clips
    and they are NEVER guilty,
    but a citizen finishing off the job while alone, is a murderer.
    Sure.
    So much for any sanity in the public and juries – it’s great the libs have created a race war, a drug war, a poverty war, and a party war… now the society wars against itself while the government has 5 or more officers emptying their entire clips (like the recent South Beach shooting – reported as 4 gunshots on some msm – when really it was like 150 rounds into the driver in the stopped car).
    The police EXECUTE in group fire, fullying emptying their clips – and nothing happens to them – the bodies left are a shredded mushpile like a destroyed practice target – but that’s cool….
    IT’S AMAZING PEOPLE….

  • SiliconDoc

    If the police were there and those two criminals had pulled guns , there would have been 150 rounds hammered into both of them.
    NO CHANCE for survival AT ALL with police there.
    That’s OK we are told.
    If cops even THINK someone is “reaching” for a piece they can open in group fire like target destruction practice – and we are told that is AOK – since their lives were threatened….
    This is where we are as a sick society – and the race card no doubt scared the prosecutor – or he used it – or both – we have COWARDS in power – pushed around by one segment of society to administer INJUSTICE to another segment…
    IT’S NOT A GOOD WAY TO HAVE THINGS RUN.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    6-6-11

    Wisdelady says;

    Well said, SilliconDoc!! America has lost it’s common sense with the word, “racist”. Liberals flount it when they know they have lost the argument. I call it their , “baby blanket”. T

    Thanks to the politicians who can’t ever support their political views with logic, common sense, and strong facts based on the truth. They don’t know their math and judging by the way they are describing the economic mess we are in with the words, “a bump on the road”, as Obama said, clearly betrays the truth by misinformed notables who
    wanted Obama elected, for fear that they would be called, “racist”.

    Where are the so called liberals like Peggy Noonan, Gen.C.Powell, and intellectual Republicans who whipped up a frenzy of supporting statements for Obama when he was running for president? They owe us an explanation for having been big promoters of his ideolog which has created an economic mess beyond description. Perhaps placating to ethnic elements caused them to lose their heads and common sense. How do they define,”a bump on the road”? What is the size of the, “bump”, and how long is the,”road”?

    I am longing for an explanation.

  • Latigo Joe

    Has anyone bothered to remember he was left behind as everyone else ran out the back of the store, he was unable to do this due to restricted abilities. He stayed behind to cover their exit, he dispatched the perp and chased one away, came back and perceived additional threats from the perp and in the heat of the adrenalin dump he put additional rounds into the perp.
    I would call that a good job, he did as he was trained, all military personnel would do the same in battle, especially when you are in a retreat, you cover your buddies ass as they move out. Have any of you ever experienced that adrenalin dump? It is very difficult to deal with and make real, clear decisions, that is where training takes over, in battle you rely on your training to get you through it, without it you lose. I praise the man for surviving it and removing the criminal from the gene pool.

  • Jackthehat

    The real criminals mentioned in this story are the DA and the jury. I hope Mr. Ersland is freed soon, as he has committed no crime.

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