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The Politician

October 18, 2010 by  

The Politician

"You have a choice between the natural stability of gold and the honesty and intelligence of the members of government. And with all due respect for those gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the capitalist system lasts, vote for gold." –George Bernard Shaw.

I have written to you in the past that we must know the mind of government or pay a huge price and perhaps pay with our lives. Ask the people of World War II Germany.

They didn’t think that the National Socialists would be too bad. Then they thought that things would get better. Then they lost everything, and many lost their lives.

The U.S. today is a fascist state no different from Nazi Germany. The only thing missing is the swastika and the jackboots. American fascism is far advanced from the German National Socialists.

The State has had many years to build on the Nazi state. The machinery is fine tuned and the propaganda is far, far advanced over Herr Goebbels. This means that American fascism can advance its agenda much further without detection.

But our subject today is the politician. Moreover it is about the mentality of the politician/bureaucrat and the fringe big business and the investment bankers. The point is, if we know the mind of the politician, we know all the above. They are all in “the club.”

Right off purge the thought that “your elected representatives” are yours. They belong to the government. The government owns them and the government pays them. They don’t vote for you. They vote for the government.

One thing here, we are talking about politicians, not statesmen. Dr. Ron Paul (R-Texas) is the only statesman in Washington as far as I know.

What we’re about to do is describe and define the mentality of the American politician. We will profile them so that in the future we can read, decipher and know their minds.

Of course, it really is simple. If we believe the opposite of what they say (as I have taught my children) we will be on terra firma and we can know their Ponzi mentality and their despicable demeanor.

Politicians, bureaucrats, et al are wordsmiths. They twist words that sound good to us but lead to opposite conclusions. This semantic trickery is used in everything and in every proposed legislation.

Many are lawyers, and doublethink legalese is their forte. Their political life is all about deception. This is their cover so that they hide the fact that they work for the government.

I should now go back to explain the source of this evil stealth empire with moral rot that has become endemic. The source of this crescendo of total moral breakdown is the paper money syndrome.

Paper money fiat is directly the foundation of Machiavellian mentality. Politicians, et al have a defective gene which draws them toward politics and they feed on fiat no different from a cow feeding on grass. The politicians’ fiat mentality can be described as a parasite that attracts other parasites of like mind.

The fiat (paper money) mentality is rot and decay that attracts likes because they can’t survive independently as creators of wealth. They are destroyers and consumers of wealth. They love the politics of envy, they are the epitome of greed, selfishness, laziness and physical dependence on authoritarianism. They are vipers who eat their young. A police state is their ultimate dream.

They protect the power elite and they want power over the people at the people’s expense. They want the world in a concentration camp. They harbor a perfect hate for humanity and they would love the Gestapo. You remember, of course, that they almost unanimously passed (rubber stamped) the Homeland Security Act and the USA PATRIOT Act which police the American people.

They have not objected to turning America into a national concentration camp.

Politicians don’t know the truth from a lie and they live it. They live and breathe deception. The rule of law is for the peasants. Force should be used along with the mass murder of war if necessary. Tyranny is a prerogative of power.

Politicians want the political state in which they have the status of untouchables. Yes, politicians have the same psyche and privilege the world over, but at this point in history greed is more contained outside the U.S.

Politicians want to regulate everybody who is not in “the club.” They act as if they despise the people and reserve for themselves privilege. They are perpetually embittered at the producers and creators of wealth. They want to pile on horrendous taxes as perfectly wished by the bureaucracy.

They justify everything in their behalf. They are the frontline of a vindictive power elite culture, the worst in world history. Not a politician alive can understand that their orgy of oppression of the public and prestige and privilege for themselves is a house of cards built upon the quicksand of fiat money. They couldn’t possibly care about the generations yet unborn.

The truth is anathema!

Double jeopardy is a cruel joke. Incarceration without charge and trial is unannounced and the system drunk on the blood of the unsuspecting public will not admit it.

U.S. courts and Federal judges (U.S. prosecuting attorneys) have become Star Chambers. U.S. citizens cannot file criminal charges in the Federal system. The only judges to ever get prosecuted are the few who rule for the people and the Constitution.

More people are arrested and in jail in the U.S. than in the rest of the world which doesn’t have habeas corpus. Bush negated habeas corpus and it was reinstated for public consumption.

Everything in the U.S. is for sale. When will Americans ever discover that the foxes are in charge of the henhouse and that politicians are in secret league with the system like a wolf pack devouring the population?

The public has been trained to think in terms of what is legal and what is illegal. The politicians and their elite bosses operate above the law and outside the law. They place themselves outside the law, just as in Obamacare they placed themselves outside their health legislation. This is contempt for the people.

Their Achilles heel is that they all have a paper money mentality, the paper money syndrome. They are infected with rot which makes them believe that this inflated myth will go on forever with perfect bliss for themselves with privilege.

Politicians hate gold because their whole purpose is to stay in office, and fiat paper money is perfect for them. Have you ever heard any politician or bureaucrat mention gold in a positive way… other than Paul?

But thank God some Americans are waking up. They can see that higher and higher prices translate into cheaper paper money. No problem to see who loses in the paper money game.

At least some Americans are beginning to see that the Emperor has no clothes and that they see a culture within a culture. Obama a Muslim? The five pointed red star is an esoteric Muslim Order. Obama is not alone. Follow the trail of the serpent!

Politicians, bureaucrats, judges and their friends are untouchables. They are a parasite culture which produces nothing but organized crime at the highest levels.

Parasites in time consume their host. This is an organic phenomena that applies to criminal politics.

The saturation point is coming and it can’t be stopped. Sociopathic political behavior self destructs over time. Satan rends himself. Ethics and decency in politics are anathema. A politician is not a statesman and a statesman is not a politician.

Politics is power and politics creates predators. Money has surpassed self worth and dignity. Politics in America is incest with the government. “Just show me the money.”

Do we hear politicians warning Americans that the money creators (quantitative easing) are destroying their savings, their retirement and their purchasing power, as well as that of future generations?

The system is now beyond resolution. We are in the final stages of economic, social and moral collapse.

Investment banks have made billions while destroying America. They create financial products that are designed to fail, market them to the unsuspecting and then take short positions against them. They are a show-me-the-money culture and the system protects them in their financial crimes. The giant real estate collapse is their work.

The word “conspiracy” is an establishment word to imprison multitudes of non-violent people (who are not in favor of the power structure) and confiscate their property outright without due process and under a feigned color of law. The politicians know this.

This is no different from the old Star Chamber motivated by the word “treason” (today it is “conspiracy.”) Then came the thumb screw and the rack to extract confession and an excuse to hang the victim. So what’s the difference today?

There are clearly privileged classes in America; those in political power backed by illegal police power. They act against the people outside the law and the Constitution. My friends, it has become so obvious.

While we slept the political regime has shifted the “burden of proof” to the defendant. One is entrapped, charged and prosecuted under Merchant Law without his knowledge. This is the new democracy. Democracy is rule of the rabble by the elite.

The possibility of reform has passed. The point of saturation of the full measure of disgust is near. Sparks can trigger revolution.

Morality has collapsed. Politicians, Federal judges and prosecutors will eat their young for fiat money, power and aggrandizement. They all have a lawyer Ponzi mentality.

Scripture condemns scribes, lawyers and hypocrites: “Woe unto you scribes, Pharisees, and hypocrites…”Mat. 23.13, 27; Luke11.42,44.

Shakespeare in King Henry VI, pt ii, Act IV Scene 2, line 72: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”

Corporations have no rights, therefore corporate officers have no rights. A corporate person can be imprisoned with no limit, even without charge or habeas corpus, denied the right to appeal, denied counsel, denied the use of one’s own funds for defense or other purposes. The corporate officer can then be left in jail to die because he worked for a corporation. Next will be torture and denial of medical care.

John Stuart Mills wrote in his On Liberty in 1859, “let us not flatter ourselves that we are yet free from the stain of legal persecution.” Oxford World Classics pp 34, 1998 edition.

The soul of America has been penetrated with toxic greed. Political rigor mortis is everywhere. The State is collapsing of its own corruption.

Politicians beware, you “elected” vipers!

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • dan az

    Thanks Bob that one phrase that the government does not create only consumes really does fit today’s problems.We need to have more statesmen like R Paul,Is there anymore out there like him? Greed and politicians are one and the same,how can we beak that chain?With Nov. just around the corner all we can do is throw the leaders of crime out and hope that will start a chain reaction that will end at the top. I never thought that anything like this blatant destruction of our country could ever exist until I came to this site and learned what a prog and lib was all about.To think that all people that refuse to see the truth can only be for the destruction of the freedom that all other countries wished they could have achieved.

    • DaveH

      Dan,
      Listen to this guy (Barry Hess):
      http://www.hessforgovernor.com/

      • dan az

        DaveH
        Thanks Dave Im marking him on my list for the ballot!

        • Al Sieber

          dan, DaveH, making my list too, and checking it twice. us miners here are voting out Joe Hart as state mine inspector and hope we can get Manuel Cruz in, democrat or not, he has the underground safety experience, and Joe Hart lied about his experience, he couldn’t run a county shovel crew filling in holes along the highway.

          • Denniso

            Boy, oh boy…I leave this site for a week and come back to even more
            hyperbole and fear mongering. It was nice to not hear all this whining and moaning and bitching for a while.

            Bob Livingston, you’ve apparently gone off the edge,just as most of these people here have. First, G.B. Shaw was an avowed socialist and yet you use him to push gold…funny. Then to say that ‘the U.S. today is a Fascist State no different than Nazi Germany’, is outrageous and absurd.Even when Bush started wiretapping anyone he wished and was using the color coded terror threat for political reasons,we were still a far cry from Hitler’s Germany. Sure, Bush’s invasion of Iraq looked much like Hitler’s unprovoked invasions of his neighbors,but we still had the process that provides for a new president and we mostly turned away from the worst offenses of Cheny/Bush. You surely know better than to make such a broad comparison between us and Hitler, yet you want to whip your followers
            into more of a frenzy so you pull out the greatest boogeyman there is.
            Nazi Germany and Fascism…Come on Bob. Your comment does no good for any intelligent discussion of our problems. You’re just throwing firebombs to help w/ your political/financial agenda.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Hey Al, are you sure Manuel and his crew were not involved with the underground cocaine/drug tunnels along the AZ. borders? Just wondering.

          • Denniso

            I also wanted to say directly to Bob Livingston…you should be ashamed for the comment equating the U.S. to Nazi Germany, and like I said above, you know better,even if some of these people don’t.

          • JC

            Hey Bob, thanks for helping people to understand the parallels between Nazi Germany and the police state that America is fast becoming. With so many policing / spy agencies monitoring us now I guess we can only be grateful that Hitler and Stalin didn’t have the same technology available to them.
            We need to stop this “national socilialism” thing in its tracks, by whatever means necessary.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Denniso: You were gone for a week? Who knew? What brings you back? Couldn’t be the lure of eager converts to your way of thinking.

            You think Livingston “know[s] better even if some of these [sic] people don’t.”

            As one of “these people,” Denniso, here’s what I know:

            Fascism (from Latin, fasces, the bundled axe symbol of Roman authority) took root in Italy in the 1920s (yes, back when I went to grade school they taught this stuff). Hitler adopted it from Mussolini. It was ardently supported by major national corporations in both countries (some argue that without such self-serving corporate support, there would have been no WWII). Other countries adopted forms of nationalistic fascism as well. Hitler’s National Socialism is not synonymous with fascism (any more than Nazim is synonymous with socialism).

            Because of its roots, many knowledgeable people equate fascism with corporatism. In this sense, here in America we live under a form of fascism. Please feel free to vote against this reality all you like, it is one of the few remaining freedoms you are allowed–the freedom of self-delusion.

            Forms of government, like political parties, are generally not what they say they are, but rather what their original perpetrators wanted the public to think they were. This why you see so few communes in communist countries, so little social reform in socialist countries, so little royal power wielded in monarchies. This is why the “republic for which we stand” is actually no longer a republic but rather a piss-poor version a democracy…a form of government which ultimately failed miserably when attempted by the ancient Greeks (and which is why so many of our founders were dead set against our fledgling nation going that route).

            Over time, it seems, corporate greed inexorably erodes the best and the worst forms of government until they consume themselves and must reinvent from the scraps, or are gobbled up by larger, greedier corporatocracies.

            Ours is well past its prime.

          • eddie47d

            Maybe you didn’t read the whole article JC. “Show me the money” and The”toxic greed with a ponzi mentality”. What about Corporate Socialism and how they have deceived the American people and lied about how they got their wealth. They helped create the rising prices and inflation on drugs,healthcare,food,cars …..and you name it. That would be Corporate scamming legalized by Capitalistic Socialism. So should we destroy that by all means necessary?

          • JC

            As always you speak in convoluted terms in order to confuse the simplest things. Get Government out of “Business”. Get Business out of “Government”….simple enough for you there ol boy?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            I don’t know, for edduhhh! it has to be pretty darn simple. Could you possibly use phonics????

          • eddie47d

            JC What don’t you understand about coporate shenanigans? Do we have to deceifer it for you or is that another one of your blind spots?Joe hasn’t understood anything since the first of the year. He’s slipping fast.

          • DaveH

            Yep, Dumniso, we didn’t have to listen to your “whining and moaning and bitching” for a whole week. Not to mention your personal attacks, undeserved arrogance, and misinformation.

          • bruce d.

            Deniseo,
            It does not have to be identical to Nazi Germany to be fascism. Just because Bush pushed it in that direction does not give President Obama a pass. I never could understand the left viewpoint that because Bush did something wrong Obama cannot be held accountable and has every right to do it wrong also. I think you will find in November that argument did not work.

          • JC

            Hey eddie, thanks for another non-sensible
            mud slinging contribution. At least you’re consistent.

          • Al Sieber

            WIA, if you’ve been in the mining business as long as I have, you know. a lot of mining inspectors I’ve known in the past were of Hispanic decent, the Welsh were excellent miners also, Spaniards, were the best. so Joe Hart has been a liar about his experience, I know him. if you can dig a tunnel under the border thats pretty good.

          • Denniso

            Average Joe, I agree that we have turned over much of our gov’t and society to corporate control…they own much of our gov’t and control most politicians w/ money needed to get elected and stay in office. The Republican party is actually the party of corporate America, much as the communist party in the Soviet Union was the State party that controlled most aspects of the country. There are a handful of Repubs,the so called moderates,who stand up to the corporations and there are many more Dems who do the same, and recognize that the real battle is between corporate control and control by the people through voting and citizen activism.

            But to call the gov’t fascist and compare it to Nazi Germany and the atrocities and loss of actual freedom is ludricous. Can we become more like the Nazis in the future? Sure…keep fueling the hate,fear
            and scapegoating of immigrants,gays,liberals,atheists,non believers,other religions,the poor,minorities, and watch us become more fascistic.

          • dan az

            Thanks Al
            I wasnt sure on that one because there is very little info on an inspectors.Ill be sure to put him on my list!

      • FreedomFighter

        All goverments are parasites, some kill the host, if action is not taken against a non-symbiotic parasitic goverment.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Soldier

          Nice to see a present or past marine who might just side with the people.

          • DumbInvestor

            No such thing as a past Marine. You can take the man out of the Marines, but you cannot take the Marine out of the man.

        • Warlord X

          Denniso, there are none so blind as those who WILL not see.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I finally got to listen to a good independant here in Indiana Dave, and his name is Scott Wise. He held his own very well in a debate with Republican Marlin Stutzman and Democrat Tom Hayhurst. The guy was articulate, well spoken, and he was not afraid to expose the truth about the liberals and Tom Hayhurst was bothered and couldnt handle the truth, and it was great watching it. All it seems Hayhurst could come up with was to try to group him with Stutzman, which isnt a bad thing. Of course this Hayhurst is a doctor who is about 70 years old and really should be retired, instead of thinking about STARTING a political career at 70. Gimme a break. But Mr. Wise was a breath of fresh air, as the guy did not bow down to political correctness once, and I for one appreciated his truthfulness and his acknowledgment of government problems and their lack of addressing them. My only fear now, is that Wise and Stutzman will split votes, and the undeserving Hayhurst will get into office. That would really suck.

        • http://naver sook young

          My husband and I live in Elkhart, where do you live? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai
          Vote November 2!

    • slickporsche

      Voting is the adult version of a temper tantrum.

      • s c

        Slick, the Second Amendment is America’s best health and life insurance policy, and no frickin’ insurance agent or lobbyist was needed to get it.

        • Denniso

          Don’t be freaking ridiculous. Your little guns would do you absolutely NO good if we didn’t have the right to vote and keep the country 1/2 sane and 1/2 balanced. You children really think your little play guns would stand up against any modern military w/ evil intentions directed toward the people?? Get a life.

          • Craig

            Ummm yep, those children Afghanies stood up against the big evil Russians. Those children colonials stood up against the big evil Brits. You failed at history, didn’t you?

          • Charles

            Hey, Denniso, the “little guns” in the hands of the various resistance movements made a big difference in WWII. They kept the Nazis in a constant state of agitation.

          • JC

            America…1770. maybe you heard about it Denniso?

          • Karolyn

            OMG – You can’t compare us to the Afghanis or to the colonials. Knock, knock—-IT’S A DIFFERENT WORLD! Why on earth would any American put guns for killing humans into kids’ hands, never mind their own. I believe you are the anti-Americans and should move to a more repressive country to keep you under control.

          • JC

            Karolyn, you must be one of those myopic folks who actually believe “it couldn’t happen here”. Guess what, it is happening…right here, right now.
            And you better hope that the Patriotic Americans are going to carry your weight….again. Because you emotionally based folks are going to be as much help as you ever were…which is none.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            …And, Craig? You fail to mention: Those puny toy guns have, last I checked, tied up the best equipped, best funded military force history has ever known…for nine years. With no end in sight. Our tax dollars (and our children’s blood) at work, for who knows how long? Against a small segment of a nation under 20 million.

            You mention Afghans against the Soviets and the American Colonies against Great Britain. Let’s not forget the Cuban revolutionaries; the Vietnamese, Algierians, and Haitians against the French; the Chinese peasants vs. the Kuo Min Tang; the Texicans against Santa Ana. And how many people realize that Florida’s Seminoles never surrendered to the US Army? We gave up.

            Dennisimo sounds a lot like the naysayers just prior to the American Revolution. “You really think a rabble of farmers with squirrel rifles can even hope to square off with the mightiest, best equipped, wealthiest army in the world? They have warships, warm uniforms, unlimited supplies, cannon, and bayonets! Trained professional regulars! Plus they control the ports, the roads, the cities and major towns, the official press…they’re already an occupying force! You have…squirrel guns?”

            Nah, guess not…

            The problem with the US government declaring open war on its subjects is the same one they’re having in Afghanistan (same one the Zionists have with the Palestinians). Sure, they could drop bunker busters on us, hose vast areas down with DU and chemicals, strafe whole villages and napalm a bunch of forest land, poison water supplies, scorch the earth… But the moment they start that, all hell breaks loose.

            Certainly you can kill a killer bee with a BB, no dispute. But the instant you fire one into the nest, it really doesn’t matter how many BBs you’ve got, or how many shooters. You’re not going to kill ten thousand bees unless you’re prepared to blow up the whole hive. Which of our genius selected officials is going to push that plunger?

            How many gun owners are there in the US? How many guns? How many military willing to open fire on their family and neighbors? How many who wouldn’t simply shuck their uniforms and join the “rabble”? How many pissed off vets who haven’t forgotten their training and experience in overseas debacles dating back to Viet Nam (Korea, even–still a few 70-odd year-old vets to be seen at a rifle range, steady as ever), and as recently as Iraq?

            Heck, there’s probably enough willing firepower in Watts and East LA alone to tie up an army indefinitely. Are they going to bomb Los Angeles?

          • http://GOGGLE vaksal

            TO;denniso,those little guns,have kept the would be dictators at bay all through history,and the only reason we still have freedom here in the U.S.A. is because those tiny guns are owned by free men and women in this nation,if it was otherwise,you and i wouldn,t have the right to voice what we think on this site,by the way,if you are so correct,tell it to those who fought against the enemys of freedom in every nation of this planet,those little guns made the differance always and always will.

          • DaveH

            Well,
            We know one thing, Denniso. That is that we don’t want you on our side.

          • Karolyn

            Violence is never the right answer to an argument. It’s not worth it. I’m a pacifist, always have been and always will be. Peace!

          • http://naver sook young

            Oh, I don’t know about that. We were fighting against the Japanese after they took over our country and caused many casualties of their troops. This also hindered them from using their full number of their forces against China and America. koreans have always been freedom fighters and not comfort lovers. I see many of the posters from the “left” are just the opposite. Americans are freedom fighters, so why do you “lefties” want us to just sit back and do nothing? Maybe you aren’t as patriotic as you say you are? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

          • Kate8

            AverageJoePatriot – If they go ahead and blow up a US city or do something equally lethal, they will do what they always do. They will blame it on some ‘enemy’, and rally Americans to war.

            The weasels in government are already planning this, and they have their safe, plush bunkers stocked and ready to go.

            And now we hear that “chatter is high” and terrorist operatives are inside the US, planning another attack. They are telling us that the threat level is up to where it was just prior to 9/ll.

            And so close to an election. Gee whiz.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, you’re more right than wrong on that…stay vigilant as always.

          • Denniso

            If Bob Livingston and some here are correct, that we are as much a fascist state as Nazi Germany was, then it would follow that all the
            privately owned guns and millions of rounds of ammo haven’t prevented
            our descent into Fascism. You can’t have it both ways…either all the guns in our country have kept us free, or their presence has done no good and we are as bad off as Germany was.

          • dan az

            dunso
            How about the little kids with sticks and stones that made the big bad UN troops in gaza put there weapons down and call for back up!Get a grip man and grow a set!

          • Robert S

            Denniso If the gov’t wasn’t afraid of our little guns we would already have Martial Law in this country. You are nothing but a big-mouthed know nothing.

          • Denniso

            So then you agree that we are mostly free in this country? Not a Fascist State?

          • Mike In MI

            No, Denniso – Sorry to say, we’re not “mostly free, still”.

            You’re obviously either quite young or have gotten used to the slow inexhorable advance of the steam-roller. See, what you don’t realize is that people who are dedicated to Devilish goals work slowly and over decades to do Satan’s dirty work. They need to subvert the principles of whole cultures; like they have here. It’s seldom speed revolution like in Russia in 1917; he works transgenerationally – especially where the populace is largely Christian.
            God can, with a few committed kids who know His Word and love Him, whip Satan’s derierre into a frothy, pitiful gumbo. And, He enjoys doing it. There have been pitched battles where believers never lost a life and won against overwhelming odds. The evil doers have to overturn belief of God’s evident Will in His Word. When that is taken away everything is up for grabs – no matter what the weaponry.
            Everything depends on electricity. God flips that off and on in a second, snuffs fuzes, redirects bullets in flight, makes the visible invisible, turns a genius to an idiot, turns a “sure-thing” to a rout.
            But, you wouldn’t be likely to consider something like that, would you? Sometimes, it just takes a few to get clear and focussed-in on what they (and He) want to make HUGE things happen.
            But, who knows? The speed with which the darkness is advancing makes me wonder if this isn’t the buildng-up to Satan’s final push to try to keep what he took by deceit – before God takes back dominion over what is HIS.
            Time will tell. In the meantime, we still work like crazy to nullify those who hate God, His son and the Truths He revealed. Giving in when I have everything to live for and God to glorify versus begging for “Peace – at any price,” is just too expensive.

          • Denniso

            You don’t get my point. The people who think that guns are keeping us free also turn around and say that we now live in a Fascist state,so then we’re actually not free. That’s illogical…either we’re free or not. I don’t think we’re free enough,but I don’t believe for a second that personal gun ownership does a thing for real freedom. We have more guns in society than ever and more than any other country in the world, yet we are losing personal freedoms for the past 50 yrs…what freedom did you guns preserve when Cheny/Bush started secretly spying on Americans and tapping any phone conversation they chose, all w/ any legal basis or judicial review? What do your guns do to protect the privacy rights of people in their own home to imbibe a little plant that helps their pain from cancer? Do all the guns we own help allow us to travel to a country of our choice,like Cuba? If you happen to be or look Latino,how do guns permit you to travel freely and not harassed around the country?
            If you need expensive healthcare,how do all the guns help you stay out of bankruptcy if your insurance has been capped or canceled?

            You, Mike, sound a little flaky about your battles between God and the make believe Devil, when the real battles are right here on the face of the earth between real people who want to help one another and those who want a world of force and violence where ‘survival of the strongest’ rules. If there were a God like you imagine who cared about us in a personal way,we would see the result by now after a million yrs of human existence…the ‘Devil’ would not continue to have any power against an all powerful God, again an Oxymoron,who loves us as his children. You’re letting myth control your once rational mind.

        • JeffH

          sc, did you just hear the yelp of a sanctimonious liberal mutt? I sure thought I did.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            Went to a gun show yesterday in Euclid Ohio. Man were there some sweet tools there!!! They had long guns there that you could reach out and touch someone with from a NewYork mile!!! For hunting, of course!!!
            There were Glocks, Smith & Wesson, High points, Colts, and anything a guy could want!!! By the time I walked out I was drooling!!! I could have dropped three grand there in a heart beat!!! They even had compound bows, crossbows, swords, nunchucks, katanas, just about every kind of knife made! I was like a kid in a candy store!!! Wish all of the good guys here could have been there!

          • JeffH

            Joe H., I know what you mean. Every now and then I’ll hit the monthly show here in Fresno…If you wanna buy some ammo you better be there at the opening bell.

          • dan az

            Boys Boys its almost xmas time start making your list!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dan az,
            Nah as usual I’ll just get the usual for Christmas – TOOLS! I,ve had contractors ask me if my wife has a sister out there!!! I buy my own guns!!!

          • dan az

            JoeH
            There all tools to me gota luv it

      • THIRD PARTY

        VOTING IS EASY WAY INTO MORE CORRUPT SHILLS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES,SECOND AMENDMENT CURES ALL.

        • Robert S

          I feel sorry for the people who think this election will change things. All the candidates sound good while campaigning.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It was in 2008, where a bunch of uneducated people who spent too much time listening to their brain sucker in their living rooms, with a guy on it chanting “change, change, change”, and little else, then took their sorry butts out and pulled the lever beside this guys name, despite not knowing who he was, what he was, what he stood for, where he was from, where he is going, and what plans or course of action he was going to take. None of that was revealed, and none of it still is revealed. The uneducated temper tantrum caused this big mess. Now though, as a result, America woke up. People arent going to repeat this mistake in 2012. Chances are, the democrats wont even allow him to run for re-election, as they know he is un-electable. And thats the facts, jack.

    • eddie47d

      There you go Dan attacking liberals and progressives with out a peep about corporations and fiat money. You learned nothing and at least Bob took on all sides in his report. He was way to zealot on the nazi diatribe’s and that gets old and brings out the worst in people.Maybe that was his point?

      • dan az

        eddie
        Like always you missed my point Its not the corporations that control us they supply the means for your meager existants.The ones that we need to go after are the puppet masters which pull all the strings.Your boy wonder is mearly their diversion so as to take control of the slaves that make there existance possible.And as for progs and libs I dont need to insult them for their stupidity they do it for me by just writing the lame lies every day here.And you are the most consistant one that I know keep up the good work. Just by you being here convinced me that all people are not of one mind.Thanks for the assist!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Oh, you must mean big money, like George Soros that owns and controls the democratic party. Yeah, I see what you mean.

      • eddie47d

        Dan: What’s the big difference between Corporate corruption and the Governments? You’re too one sided and favor one “evil” over another without exploring both possibilities. Who sadly brainwashed you?

        • dan az

          eddie
          If your talking about mansanto and big pharms I have to agree with you if you look at who owns them then you would see they are one and the same but the differance is that you work and get paid for your labor with one and dont expect a raise unless you produce but with the other they are no better than the unions that take your money for producing anything of value and give them selves a raise.The more the gov. takes from you the less you have to help the economy go forward of course that is if your one of them in which case you would not pay taxes because you would just be paying your self.For every person that is employed by big brother the less people there are that pay no taxes.That dosent sound like a very productive way to fix the economy does it?

          • dan az

            sorry that should read pay taxes.

    • HFlashman

      One has to almost laugh at the adsurdity of these posts today. Yes…absurdity. In 1981, the average CEO salary was 31 times that of the average working man’s salary. Today it is 234 times the average salary of the working man. Real income gains have dropped for the average American, while increasing 60% for thos earning over $250,000/year. With the exception of the Clitnon tax cuts and 9hopefully) Obama’s success in getting past the party of ‘No’…the average middle calss level of taxation has increased overall…the level of taxation for those in the Upper Incomes has decreased. Taxation on Big Corporations has bcome a joke…with the majority of te Fortune 500 paying less than 10% in taxation whil the monies from the public coffers has increased.

      Our freedoms, liberties and Rights have been under direct and aggressive attack since 1980. If in 1980 anyon would have stated the GOP and Right would have stripped us to where we ar today, there would have been a rebellion. Yet we allowed fear, hate, and robotic following of a monied right wing propoaganda machine lead this Nation to irrational support of policies which have stripped the Middle Class and the masses to being almost powerless.

      So now the party of “No”, the party of foreign money…is leading the atack against incumbents. Wonder why since the GOp would pick up those seats and return to majority…and thus continue to strip us naked.

      Yet…the robots, the ones led by fear and hate…the lower tiers of intelligence those ready to go on a christian jihad because they believe they are annointed…

      Yep…they’ll put back the very same who have but one goal in mind and targeted….the Middle Class and anyone who wouldendanger the entrenched elite and wealthy.

      Nice…reallll nice

      • DaveH

        Corporations don’t pay tax, people do. The joke is that so many dumbocrats believe otherwise. When a corporation’s tax is raised they do one of 3 things: raise the price of their products (the consumer pays the tax), or lay off workers (the worker pays the tax with the loss of his/her job), or they move out of the country (all their workers pay with the loss of their jobs).
        While the Liberals are voting under the influence of their green-eyed envy, Government is robbing all of us blind.

        • Denniso

          If corporations don’t pay tax,we do,then why do almost all business and corporate interests fight to lower or eliminate taxes on themselves? It’s not as simple as DaveH wants it to appear, that it’s all the fault and theft by the gov’t.

          • HFlashman

            Jeesh…”corporations don’t pay tax, people do” That is so wrong in so many ways.

            Typical 7th grade simplistic mentality grasping for concepts beyond their limited capability. Such are the targets for the Party of “No’ propaganda lying machine.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Deniso and Flash, you’re thinking in reverse gear. Corporations are made of people, hence, if a corporation is taxed, it is the producing people who are paying taxes. “Corporation” is a concept, individuals are people. Why do the heads of large corporations fight taxes? In order not to be taxed, obviously; and they are big enough and rich enough to ensure they pay as little as possible (e.g. Big Oil), and they can do this in a hundred ways. Not the least of which is, of course, directly passing the taxes on to consumers.

            And before any of you nit-picky semanticist/legalists point out that I’ve elsewhere said that treating a “corporate entity” as a “human entity” is a major source of our problems (a key tool in our ongoing subjugation), I want to make clear that corporate taxes are Constitutional, and individual income taxes are not. Yet since 1913, things have become reversed. A trust or corporation has many, many ways to legally avoid taxes (one year I recall Ted Kennedy paid $700, in a year when I paid more, working two jobs just to stay afloat), while the individual does not have these myriad loopholes available to him/her.

            Ultimately, under our system it is always the individual producer who pays the taxes, because taxes can’t be paid by a “concept.” That producer might work for a corporation or he might not, but the “concept” doesn’t ultimately pay, we do. (But, try suing someone who is poisoning your water and you’ll find out just how quickly that “concept” gets between you and your adversary. He will don his golden corporate parachute while your children die.)

          • Warlord X

            One reason corporations shouldn’t be taxed, but required to put excess earnings into dividends, is because when they pay dividends from their profits, those dividend are taxed a SECOND time as ordinary income (until Jan 2011 then it goes from 15% to 39.6%). Where is the fairness or justice in that?

            I am often incredulous how little progressives actually understand business or the tax system. What part of ‘the consumer pays ALL the taxes’ don’t you grasp?

        • DaveH

          That was a rebut, a fabricated fact and a personal attack? Do you Liberals really think you influence anybody but the hopelessly ignorant?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ive got no problem with a CEO making way more than I do. He has a lot more responsibility than me, he has taken his education level higher than I have, and chances he or her is probably smarter than I am. When things go bad, who gets fired? They do, not me. If youve got a problem with rewarding people for success, then you are part of the problem, just like Obama. He seeks to punish the sucessful and tax the living hell out of them, then reward failures like GM and Chrysler with billions of dollars, as a reward for not properly running their business. Dont blame it on the economy. Ford made it through ok, and it doing great. Honda, Toyota and Hyundai didnt need bailed out. Sucess should be rewarded. And failures should be noted, not rewarded. Get it straight.

  • Kings Son

    To have suspected this for several years based on my observations as a typical, disinterested, rip-van-winkle American and then to have learned it first hand, and now to witness seeing the snake has shed it’s skin… thank God Many of us have finally awaken to this truth, that our nation, the home of the brave and the land of the free has been hijacked by the worst kind of vermin and parasites that greed has spawned. Thanks for putting your finger precisely on the point Bob.
    I’m a vet that took my oath seriously and like every other vet I’ve served with,it’s an oath I will not cease to defend. It’s time we clean house and get things back in order. It’s not too late. When over 60% ? of the elected are lawyers who have greatly increased their coffers at the expense of those who innocently and naively believed we had the type of government set out in our Constitution, we can no longer idly stand by and wonder if things will get better on their own. They won’t and never do, on their own. Again, I say thanks Bob. When someone boldly proclaims the truth and puts the bulls eye on our enemies, it’s a lot easier to confront the enemy when they have on their appropriate colors.

    • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      I’m Full Blood, two Tribes carry my CDIB card, have walked Mother Earth for 74 Winters. Why it has taken all of you this long to realize that your U.S. Government from its origin was written and spoken in “Fork-Tongue” is beyond me, read We Speak You Listen, you might learn a thing or two or maybe Centuries of Dishonor. You deserve what your getting, what goes around comes around.
      Now let me read your trashing statements against me, thats the style here from both sides of your paradigm.
      I who truly loves my Indian Country for what it is. My Two brothers and 6 brothers-in-laws are buried in our local military cemetery, they served and died for this political whore house, WWII, and Korea. Understand this, we also bleed, our mothers and fathers also feel pain and sorrow, We will always fight against the enemy of Indian Country which includes your foreign kind if necessary. Your so called Freedom and Liberty is bull-crap and your Justice in true essence means “Just Us” , Get off the Potty and take a good and hard look at what you really are. The Government you have is what “yours” designed and sold you, we have survived 500 years of your dominance and oppressions, we sure as there is a hell can survive another 500. Your collapse is already here, just like so many before you, they come and go like the waves of the sea, one right after another, we shall wait and see.

      • dahni uru

        Get some peyote and dream. I’m only part indian, but my grandmother was full Seminole. She hated the whites for awhile, then finally said ‘the Indians lost the war’. They need to get involved in the society that is coming. Stop whining and help make the best social order you can make.

        • Denniso

          White men stole the land and resources from the Natives, almost as soon as they arrived. The most free in this country are generally white,wealthy, people who control most of the money and power, and the people of color struggle to keep up and create a good life for themselves and their children. The life span for all minorities is shorter and their quality of life poorer.

          • dan az

            denny
            the problem is welfare!No one will ever better them selves as long as there is government assistants thats a fact and sooner they all get over it the faster they will join society and not whine about something that happened a couple hundred years ago!

          • JC

            A newspaper article I read ascerted that Hispanics live 2 years longer than Whites and 5 years longer than Blacks in America.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I got new for you Denniso. Im a sports fan. I watch Baseball, basketball, Football, Hockey, basically everything but soccer. You can keep that. A five year old can kick a ball, know what I mean. Anyhow, seems in most of these sports, predominately Basketball and Football, and a lot in baseball, folks with black skin and brown skin seem to be the majority of the participants, and they are all multi millionaires, who make more money in one year than I will see in my life. Boxers the same way. So dont come off as if only white people got money. Heck man, your boy George Soros that owns the democratic party is of brown color, from greece or somewhere. Money knows no skin color, so get over it. You always seem to go to the race card in these posts, sooner or later, you always go there. Amazing. Your like an open book, so predictable.

          • Denniso

            Look at the fortune 500 execs, mostly white. Look at most ceos,mostly white. Look at bankers,mostly white. Look at the stats for poverty rates among groups of Americans, people of color are at the bottom.

            Blacks were forcibly kept out of most pro sports until recently and now they dominate because of their superior abilities,but they are a tiny number in comparison to the general public.

      • BOOKER T

        DON’T BE MAD,JUST BECAUSE WE HAD BETTER WEAPONS.

      • DaveH

        No doubt, WIA, that many white leaders have spoken with forked-tongue. But I find it real hard to believe that all native americans have been lilly white. People are people, regardless of race or origin. There will always be dishonorable people in our midst. The best we honorable people can do is stick together and work to stop those people.

      • bruce d.

        WIA I am only part Naragansett Indian but I think when people want to be looked on as victims they do to themselves what no one else can do to them. New England tribes were fighting each other long before the white man ever showed up as were the plains Indians. Naragansett Indians form a pact with Roger Williams against other hostile tribes in the area. Indians are no different from others. There are those who want what someone else has and would rather take it than work for it.

      • goldenrod_on_myboots

        There is no such man as a full blood anything. I am reluctant to spend time looking up my anscestors because I know that a little bastard or two is in the bushes. You can also have your likly genetic base checked for a few dollars and refute me. I may do so one day to prove I am a blond blue eyed black who can’t jump.

        • Claire

          golenrod_on_myboots– I don’t think I want to know who my ancesters are, either. According to the newspaper, Obama, Palin and lImbaugh are related. Sometimes not knowing is better.

          • goldenrod_on_myboots

            I often looked at the last Pres. Bush and thought he might be a good fraction Indian. His maternal line of Walker was an indian name to me. I even spent a few hours trying to prove it on the net. Nothing.

            Even if he was just one thirty second or some such, I would think his native roots should be mentioned if known.

            I like the who is related to who thing. If you go back 10 generations which I can do on several lines, you get 2^10 people if you get them all which I cannot. That is 1024 people over 200 years ago who may have had children by multiple partners due to death at an early age my the women in particular. It has happened both ways in my case. Think of the spawn of that 1024 people even if some lines terminated without issue.

          • Robert S

            Claire So are Bush, Coulter and Harry Reid. What do they all have in common? They are all weasels.

          • Claire

            Robert S– I am German, Danish, Swedish and Irish. It would be my luck that I would be related to Hitler–that is one reason why I don’t want to know. I would be horrified. Dang it, we cannot pick and choose our relatives!

          • libertytrain

            Claire – would that we could pick our relatives — would have saved me a fortune this year alone!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I myself am somewhat of a mutt, but thank God I dont have any French in me, so I dont have to run and hide and call for an American to come save me. But I choose to overlook color, as my Lord and Savior Jesus did. He see’s whats in the heart, and thats what matters. It doesnt matter what color, or the length of our hair, or the clothes we wear, or the bling we collect. All that is worthless vanity and it is all passing away. All of it. The soul is eternal, as are the things in our hearts. That is where the truth is, and that is what is important. Everything else on the outside is just a masquerade, a appearance like the cover on a book, and it doesnt tell what is inside.

          • Claire

            Beberoni– Good post.

          • Robert S

            Berberoni The French saved us during the Revolutionary War.

          • libertytrain

            You’ve failed to mention Pulaski and Kościuszko – but of course they were not French – they were Polish – and there were others.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You sir, are the true REAL American, and I cannot make it right what was done, and is continued to be done to the American Indian. Its a travesty, its embarrasing to me, and Im ashamed by it. Yet our own government bows down and pollycoddles to the blacks, the hispanics, the middle eastern terrorists, illegal aliens all over, and still nothing for the American Indian, and this white boy for one thinks it sucks. Nothing can be done to make up for the horrors that were perpetuated on your people. The death walk was worse than what the jew suffered under Hitler, and that was just horrible. And our country will fall to the hands of another, but it wont be because of white man, or black man or hispanic man, or American Indian man. No, it will be because of their failure to acknowledge God in his proper place. Just as the Greeks, the Romans, the Medes and Persians, who all were dynamic huge dynasties, they walked without God and were destroyed for it, and here in America, we are all to quickly walking down that same line, and less and less people see it as we move farther and farther away from Him. If you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. Evidently we havent learned, and it is repeating itself right in front of our very eyes. I apologize to you for what my ancestors did. I cannot make it right, or make it go away, only to acknowledge it and not repeat it myself. That is all I have control over, and I exercise that control not to repeat the mistakes previously committed. Insanity is described as doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Sanity is learning from mistakes and making things better. God bless you, and have a good day.

  • JeffH

    “No State shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.”
    Article 1, Section 10, united States’ Constitution

    The Federal Reserve system was created by international banking families such as the Rothschilds, Warburgs and Rockefellers. This international banking cartel creates “money” out of thin air. It only costs them a few cents to print each Federal Reserve Note “dollar bill”, and then they “bill” the American people for the full face value of the note. Then to add insult to injury, they charge us interest to borrow their so-called “money”.

    In 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act was fraudulently pushed through Congress, Congressman Charles Lindbergh stated: “This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth….When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized….The new law will create inflation whenever the trust wants inflation….From now on, depression will be scientifically created.”

    “We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies; domestic swindlers, rich and predatory money lenders which prey upon the people of the united States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. The Federal Reserve Banks are the agents of the foreign central banks. The truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States by the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board.” [Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking & Currency Committee, speech on the floor of the House of Representatives, June 10, 1932]

    “Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders….The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and….manipulates the credit of the united States.” [Senator Barry Goldwater]

    “Federal Reserve Notes are illegal” [US Representative Dr. Ron Paul]

    IF THIS IS TRUE WHY HAVEN’T I HEARD ABOUT THIS?
    Basically, it is because the international bankers, having unlimited funds, own and control the mainstream media. “These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government.” [Teddy Roosevelt]

    HOW DOES THIS AFFECT ME?
    Congress initially defined a lawful money “dollar” as being and consisting of (at least) 371.25 grains of pure silver. Before 1965 anyone could exchange one paper dollar for one real silver dollar. However, in 1965 the united States’ mint stopped minting silver dollars. When this occurred inflation began to skyrocket. Now it takes a whole fist full of paper dollars (i.e., “Federal Reserve Notes”) to buy one real silver dollar. It now takes two working parents to support a family and the national debt is shooting over 12 trillion dollars! And this is not even counting the private debt by individuals and corporations, which is somewhere over 50 trillion dollars. Get the picture?

    http://www.healthfreedom.info/Federal_Reserve_Fraud.htm

    • JeffH

      Article I, Section 10 of the united States’ Constitution states: “No State shall…make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.” The united States’ Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land and this Law has never been amended.

      Article I, Section 8 states: “The Congress shall have Power…to coin Money”. Notice that it states “coin” not “print”. Anyone who reads James Madison’s notes of the Constitutional Convention, The Federalist Papers, etc. will find that one of the purposes of the Constitutional Convention was to do away with paper money–entirely! Thus for the first 72 years from the founding of our nation the united States’ Government only minted gold and silver COINS for money.

      “It is apparent from the whole context of the Constitution as well as the history of the times which gave birth to it, that it was the purpose of the Convention to establish a currency consisting of the precious metals. These were adopted by a permanent rule excluding the use of a perishable medium of exchange, such as of certain agricultural commodities recognized by the statutes of some States as tender for debts, or the still more pernicious expedient of paper currency.” [President Andrew Jackson, 8th Annual

      • Al Sieber

        Thanks Jeff, good post, maybe some more people will get it.

      • Soldier

        Awesome. Now you just try preaching this to Lord Humongous and his biker gang and see if he agrees.

        • dan az

          Soldier
          Biker gangs? Not hardly.They will be the freedom fighters of this century and if you knew any then you would understand that.

      • s c

        You make an excellent point, JeffH. Jackson was a rare man. He had high ideals, and he wasn’t afraid to back up his words with deeds. It is much more than ironic that Jackson was also a Democrat [a truly FUNCTIONAL Democrat who was worthy of the title]. If he was alive today and running for office, he couldn’t get elected. He couldn’t get appointed as a dog catcher. So much for modern ‘Democrats.’
        Compare Jackson with those who call themselves ‘Democrats’ now, and you have to shake your head and wonder what happened to integrity and honor. I’d jump at the opportunity to trade any 10,000 elected, useful idiots for five true patriots like Andy Jackson.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Well s c, Have you ever read the History of your Idol Andrew Jackson ? He is responsible for the first and most heinous and horrific ” Indian Removal Act” of the U.S. Government, in order for you to eliminate ignorance his actions is know as the “Trail of Tears”, removal of the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole, “The Five Civilized Tribes” all because of the discovery of “Gold” in them their Hills. Many of us “Injuns, Redskins” or whatever other terms you use, do not use or carry a Twenty Dollar ($20.00) ponzi-fiat paper bill because it represents the “Genocide” legislation of this Jerk. A great thank you to the Injuns after they fought with him to win his wars and battles. Read some Library of Congress archive history. Hell, I’m just a “Dumb Injun” what do I know !

          • Joyce from Loris

            I’m with you, WIA. My ancestors were Cherokee. They escaped the trail of tears, and came to the coast of NC. My Grandmother was full blooded Cherokee, but alas, married a white man, as there were no other Indians around to marry. Thus, I am a “half-breed”. My people also refused to carry the $20 bill. I heard stories about the troops that were sent to kill the Indians, grabbing the babies by the feet and bashing their little heads against the trees. Horror stories! I’m glad my ancestors were able to escape. When I was growing up, my mother taught me to NEVER tell anyone that we were part Indian.

          • DaveH

            How sad, Joyce. It is unfortunate that the most dishonorable amongst us tend to gravitate to the top.

          • Claire

            Joyce–The Trail of Tears. It was a terrible thing to happen. Your words speak volumes. I have several friends that are part Cherokee. I love them dearly. A guy in Wisconsin co-owns a show dog with me. He is engaged to a lady that is part Cherokee. She is beautiful– in her looks and her soul. They are my dear friends.
            A couple of years ago I edited a book and it told of the Trail of Tears. It also told of Indian babies being killed in the same manner that you spoke of. Tragic ordeal.

          • Claire

            WIA–I agree with you about Andrew Jackson. He implemented the physical removal of the Indians, and ordered their removal to reservations. About 4,000 Indians died during the Trail of Tears. Andrew Jackson was a scumbag.

          • goldenrod_on_myboots

            I have read a bit on A. Jackson trying to determine why he so disliked the first american settlers or if he was just after land on the cheap for the waves of immigrants arriving from his homeland of Ireland and other parts of Europe. I cannot answer. Some say his mother’s relatives were killed by indians either before or after he arrived here. Some say the general atmosphere in and around the Waxhaws at his time was very anti-Indian. He was involved in the bitter frontier fights of the Revolutioary War and may have fought the British aligned Cherokee or other tribes as I do not know who aligned with US or Them. Anyway, he again fought in the war of 1812 against the British and some natives as you mentioned some were on his side. However, the result is the same. He promoted the indian removals and went along with the congressional plan when the courts tried to intervene on behalf of the tribes.

            I have often thought that the greatest part of the problem was a clash of clutures. Arriving immigrants could not live the subsistance lifestyle of the natives in the numbers that arrived. As there was not large opposing force to stop the invasion, the result was set in stone. Something to keep in mind with all the people from all over the world coming here now.

            I hunt,fish, and farm a bit in what was Creek nation lands. I do not see how a family made it. I think the communal part of the native life crossed up with the individual accomplishment ways of the newcomers.

            I have often thought of resettlement ideas. I realize that the idea is like giving Arlington back to the Lee family. Even without the graves, Arlington would just be a potential subdivision and not used as in 1860 as a farm. Time is past and the present moves on.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Before you put old Andy on too high a pedistol remember that it was he, through pressure from land speculators, that stole treated Indian lands in western Ga., Tenn., and the Carolinas and forced these people onto reservations. He did many great things but this was a giant blot upon his record.

    • slickporsche

      I’ve had the picture for a long time! What are you going to do about it? That is the real issue.

      • Kate8

        Slick, Exactly. What ARE we to do about it?

        I think Bob is right (great article, BTW), the USA is already one huge concentration camp. We have been slaves and prisoners without realizing it (until now). The whole system has been set up to continue to tighten around our necks until we find ourselves hopelessly snared. And it was so easy for them! All they had to do was keep dangling a few carrots…

        Yes, what are we to do? There is no longer even a pretense of honesty or integrity among ‘elected’ officials. The system’s corruption is complete.

        I don’t see how ANYTHING can change (for better or worse) without total collapse. That is the plan. I’m not sure there are enough folks with the moral courage and fortitude to stand up to the system, since they get offers they simply can’t afford to refuse. What the elites have in mind for us is not for OUR betterment, that’s for sure.

        The other thing that’s for sure is that, if and when they get what they want, they will REALLY turn on each other. It’s in their natures to need to control and subjugate. They already are doing that to a large degree, and watching them is kind of fun.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Welcome to the Federal U.S. Caucasian Reservation, now for your leaders to write a Code of Federal Regulations, entitled The Bureau of Caucasian Affairs, I’ll volunteer to be the Secretary of the Bureau, and naturally, make sure all of you regardless of race, color or creed and place of origin remain in these reservations (concentration reserves) for as long as the sun rises from the east and sets on the west, as long as the little waters flow to the big waters, as long as the wind blows and the grasses grow from the mother earth toward the father sky or 90 days which ever comes first . I will make sure that you receive you provisions monthly and I will see to it that all your children are removed from their homes and relocated to the appropriate Federal school system.

          • BOOKER T

            NEW WORLD ORDER BABY.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You do yourself and your people injustice with your words and your seeking of vengeance this way. Vengeance is my says the Lord. You also need to forgive in order to be forgiven. My ancesters were booted out of Germany by Wilhelm Kaiser, and had everything take from them, and barely made it out alive. Those people owe me nothing sir. They are dead and gone, and it would be rediculous for me to hold anger and hatred towards those in Germany now, as they had nothing to do with it, and they didnt do it to me. You keep carrying that anger, it’ll eat you up inside. Let it go. It was wrong, no doubt about it. But all those crazy people that wronged you are gone. Im white, and I dont deserve your hatred at me because of the color of my skin. Do you not see that is wrong? Sir, it is wrong. I am deeply, deeply ashamed at what white man did to the American Indian. I fully recognize it as wrong, and I still think the way the government treats Indians sucks. But dont blame me because my skin is a certain pigment. That is so wrong man, so wrong. I didnt do it, and I would never do it. But you hate me because Im white, and I cannot help that. Its the way I was born. There is only one that can heal the pain man, and that is Jesus Christ. He can take all pain, disgust, hatred, sin, dirt and all away. I know. I used to be like you.

          • dan az

            WIA
            You never said what type of religion you believe in.The point is in your last life what color was your skin white? brown?what you forget is you would teach the same hate to your children generation after generation to see the white man as your enemy and this mindset will continue on untill all indians breed them selves out of existance.I have allot of indian friends from allot of different tribes that some believe the same thing as you because they where taught that way.But I have others that believed that they where better than that and had prospered from it.Living in the past is not going to make your future generations move forward so its up to you and your elders to see the past as only history and change things for the betterment of your future generations.

        • Karolyn

          kate, I think what Slick is talking about is joining him in “locking and loading.”

          • Kate8

            Karolyn, Yes, you are probably right. That’s just not where my mind goes first. Once a few people embark down that road…well, just be sure it’s the last option.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, you’re probably right.

          • Claire

            Kate8–Good answer.

    • Isaac Unglaub

      Do I have to say more …?!?! :

      “Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes the laws.”
      -Mayer Amschel Rothschild-, founder of the Rothschild international banking dynasty, 1790

    • Matt

      Good Post Jeff. I have been saying this for a very long time. These Zionist are moving towards their completion phase… a world government around a new currency. These same people control the IMF and the World Bank as well poised and ready. They have to destroy the dollar to contrive a new currency the world will succumb to, being the foundation for the world government. They create and destroy markets cyclically robbing the people all along the way.

      • Gary

        Oh…its the zionists that have done this. Give me a break.

        • JeffH

          The Rothschilds are zionists!
          The Israel Supreme Court is the creation of one elite family: the Rothschilds. In their negotiations with Israel, they’ve agreed to donate the building under three conditions: the Rothschilds were to choose the plot of land, they would use their own architect and no one would ever know the price of its construction. The reasons for those conditions are quite evident: the Supreme Court building is a Temple of Masonic Mystery Religion and is built by the elite, for the elite.

          The Rothschilds are one of the originators of the Zionist movement and the most active actors in the creation of the state of Israel. James A. de Rothschild financed the Knesset, Israel’s main political building. Right in front of it sits the Israeli Supreme Court, donated by another member of the dynasty: Dorothy de Rothschild.
          http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1229

          • Gary

            Wow! That was an eye opener. Thanks for the link.
            My ignorance concerning the “zionists” doesn’t mean that I disagree
            with Bob’s article. I most certainly do agree.

          • JeffH

            Gary, not to worry. I’m pretty sure there is so much more info that could shed much more light on this issue.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Gary, me thinks you need to do some work my friend, particularly on deception.

        • BOOKER T

          GARY,YOU NEED TO STUDY THE HISTORY OF ZIONIST,LEARN A THING OR TWO.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Excellent as always, JeffH. Good morning & Ty for the continued work towards educating our fellow Patriots…whether they are American or not. :)

      It’s about ROOT level issues…all can be traced back to the Federal Reserve. We have to begin flooding our elected officials with requests after this Nov2nd…to being pressuring them towards removing this illegal operation and take the chains of bondage that they have put upon us.

      Ending the FED is a major key in stopping the Agenda that the NWO people are using to destroy the sovereignity of America and all other Nations. Educate your friends & neighbors to the truth!

      God Bless!

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Lookout for the Cavalry, the Brown Coats are coming !

    • Warlord X

      JeffH. Thanks for bringing this to the discussion.. Everyone should READ AND HEED.

  • JeffH

    “There is no law that says goods and services must be paid for with Federal Reserve notes. Parties entering into a transaction can establish any medium of exchange that is agreed upon.”

    “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

    • Angel Wannabe

      Great additional info JeffH!

    • Grey Wolf

      “Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under”
      “I believe all government is evil & trying to improve it is a waste of time”
      H.L. Mencken
      Have to get back to work now & support this evil.

      • Vicki

        George Washington had a better description of government.
        “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ”
        http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_washington.html

        No need to bring in evil though evil people will often use the force of government.

        • Grey Wolf

          One of my favorite quotes, too!

        • Bob Wire

          great quote Vick ~ direct and to the point , simply stated

    • Kate8

      JeffH, That is so true. We will be forced to survive outside the monetary system soon.

    • Angel Wannabe

      So true Jeff, Hell I’ve bartered for things in the past, it’s certainly not dead.

    • JeffH

      I’m pretty sure that most of us have bartered for things at one time or another.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        My first experience with real barter was at 14 years old. A lady had a 55 chevy up on blocks in her garage and I mowed her lawn each week and shoveled her sidewalk each time it snowed. the day I turned 16, my father and I went over to her house and picked up the title and the car and I took it home. I worked for that car for almost 2 years and I took such good care of it! I sold it when I was 26 to go to college!! That and the GI bill took me through four years!!!

        • JeffH

          Joe H., how funny, my first car was a 55 chevy business coupe. My first barter was for a 20ga Fox Mdl B side by side from a family friend. That was my first huntin’ shotgun.

          • Grey Wolf

            My dad had a 55 Chevy Bel Air. Blue & beige. Great car in a great era.
            Remember it well.

          • JeffH

            Grey Wolf, mine was a two door with the post. I was running a three-deuce set up, 3/4 race cam with solid lifters and a Borg Warner T-10 4 speed with 4:11 posi. A 283 small block chevy bored .30 over to 292 CI. It was pretty quick. I used to smoke SS 396′s and even beat a 440GTX with it. I ended up totaling it.

  • dan az

    There has been some outstanding quotes lately on this site I find it funny that I have not seen any coming from todays politicians/lawyers ever! actually there was a couple JFK and Reagan.Thanks Jeff.

  • s c

    George Bernard Shaw makes more sense in DEATH than our elected bastards and bastardettes in Washington. Maybe we should elect comvicted felons
    straight out of prison. We’d get better government. At least convicted felons are familiar with “amnesty” and how it does or doesn’t apply.
    People, there is but one rule to apply to politicians. If they try to make a career out of being in Washington, it’s time for them to be FLUSHED. It is proof of INSANITY that we can have retards who can’t read, think they must be treated like kings and queens, are above the LAW and never hesitate to use and abuse us.
    Shakespeare was right. Mark Twain was right. George Bernard Shaw was right. So WHY can’t we find ways to RID ourselves of these useful idiot scumbags? Dogs that sleep with disease-carrying FLEAS get a better break than we do.

    • slickporsche

      The retards are the ones that are allowing this to happen.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        G.B. Shaw also said: “Don’t vote for them, it only encourages them.”

        This about sums it up for me. Other than those who actively supported Ron Paul, people today involved in campaigning and voting for most of these $#it#ead$ are probably doing little harm, nor much good, because what they’re doing is pointless in light of the fact that, as Bob L. so thoroughly explains here, governments don’t empower or produce, they regulate (disenfranchise individuals for the benefit of the corporatocracy) and they consume.

        Frankly, I’d rather most people stayed home and voted for American Idol. This would make it easier to differentiate between the gullible idiots (who are sufficiently impressed with pomp and glitz to pay for it with their freedom) and the discerning patriots (who will pay a reasonable price for sensible regulation in which they have a stake and a say).

      • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

        You got that right. There are registered voters out there who probably think Gordon Gecko is real, and should run for office.

    • sylviam

      1- STOP ELECTING LAWYERS.
      2- EDUCATE OURSELVES, READ THE CONSTITUTION AND ALL THAT WAS PUBLISHED BY OUR FORE_FATHERS.
      3- REMEMBER, TERM LIMITS FOR ALL INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT.
      4- TEACH YOUR CHILDREN WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED, NOT THE PROPAGANDA IN SCHOOLS OR ANY GOV.RUN ESTABLISHMENT.
      This just a few things I am able to come up with, and am convinced, that the rest of the NATION has already came to the same conclusion.
      At least I pray to GOD they have.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • Angel Wannabe

    The TRUTH is being exposed more and more with the help of articles like these, of Bob Livingston and like minded journalists. JeffH, does a hell-of-a good job too on the info__ But the information adage still remains,it’s like leading a horse to water, you can’t make them drink! Like Bob, all you can do is put forth the info and hope, more and more people view it as serious enough to prepare for it. On one hand I don’t think we should live in perpetual fear of a tsunami and let it rule our lives, but being completely fool hearty, and believe NOTHING CAN HAPPEN HERE, is just that, fool hearty. At some point in time, like that of the childs, in London Bridge, it will all fall down and everything will be forced to re-adjust. The constant rising tax & regulation, the money situation in general, the inflation. Cannot continue. As I’ve said before, I’d rather be prepared, than a fool.

    • slickporsche

      I would rather do something about it than to give up and be prepared for what ever comes. However I cannot do it all alone, and need much help that will not come. So in essence Angel you are giving up and throwing in the towel. They win you lose. You will not be prepared for what they will do.

      • Al Sieber

        What makes you think Angel is giving up and throwing in the towel?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Your Right Al, I’ve never been one to throw in the towel, ain’t gonna start now!__Not sure why slick got that impression?__I’m just not about to change things with a gun!__I’ll defend what I have like a grizzly, but I’d never start anything!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            If you are a quitter, Then you sure fooled me!!! I’d rather slap the pres with a fish than to call you a quitter. Keep up the good fight!!!

        • JeffH

          You’re right Al, Angel Wannabe is a freedom fighter and fellow patriot. Pay no mind to slickporche, he talks way to much smack. He’s either a haired trigger or a liberal plant…?

        • Vicki

          Four boxes are available to us. There is a specific order of use.

          Those boxes in correct order of use are:
          Soap box – I.E. This site.
          Ballot box – Nov 2. Use it wisely.
          Jury box – Make sure you know your duty as a juror (www.fija.org)
          Ammo box – Pray to your Creator that we never have to open that 4th box.

  • CutnPaste

    You are SO wrong! Our politicians DO NOT belong to the government. They belong to large corporations who serve, not the people, but their own special interests. How can you be so blind?

    • slickporsche

      I think you are both correct to some degree.

      • medutch1

        I agree with many of these replies, and in that context I would like to add a bit of substance.
        In Mr. Livingston’s latest newsletter, his reference to “gradualism” is right on point. What is happening to the United States, along with most of the “developed” countries in the world, is a very long range plan to control the population of the world. The United States, because of it’s type of government(a Constitutional Republic – based on the original Constitution), is the last and hardest bastion of a free society to be conquered. Many events throughout our history, which the public-at-large know nothing about, are gradually aiding in this endeavor. In 1873, the Organic District of Columbia Act established the United States as a corporation which was governed by a “new” constitution. They adopted our original Constitution except they eliminated the thirteen amendment. Since then everything our government has done has been done to gain more gradual control over the citizenry.
        We percieve our elected officials, which are really nothing more than corporate representatives, as the people in power. Understand that they really do the bidding of the real power-brokers. They are puppets-on-a-string who do as the puppet masters dictate. The puppet masters were the authors and force behind the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and, not coincidently, the establishment of the IRS in that same year.
        Think about the fact that in 1913 the gold-backed U.S. dollar was worth One dollar; in 2008, as compared to the 1913 dollar, the fiat U.S. dollar was worth .06 cents. What happend to the other .94 cents?
        Consider the following quotes:
        “History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse,
        intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their
        control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.”
        James Madison
        “The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the
        minds of our citizens…must be broken, or it will break us.”
        Thomas Jefferson
        “The real rulers of Washington are invisible and exercise power from
        behind the scenes.” Felix Frankfurter – Supreme Court Justice
        “The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to
        destroy the American’s freedom, and before I leave office I must
        inform the citizen of his plight.” John F. Kennedy
        “The Federal Reserve System is nothing more than legalized
        counterfeit.” Ron Paul
        “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who
        writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Bauer-aka Baron Rothschild
        “Who controls money controls the world.” Henry Kissinger
        In the United States, until we can abolish the Federal Reserve System and it’s centralized banks, we cannot have a Constitutional Republic as envisioned by our Founders. By and large, it matters not who we “elect” because the power behind the elected still remain the puppet masters(understand the reason behind the assassination of JFK).
        In the present, put aside food-water-medicine-arms/ammunition, etc. Look for organizations to join/support that will Restore our Original Constitution; for military active/retired, all police/sheriff both active and retired – become familiar with Operation Vampire.
        We have not lost, but we have a very, very long and hard road ahead of us. Keep your family and friends close; very close.

        • JC

          Well said, good points all.

          • BrotherPatriot

            ^^ True that… ^^

        • Kate8

          medutch1, Great post.

          Of course, they haven’t stopped at controlling the money. They now control media, education, medicine, food…and even churches. Christians have been the last bastion of resistance, and are now being officially subdued.

          Now, more than ever, we must guard against deception on all fronts, even those we want to trust.

          • http://naver samurai

            Right on, Kate8. It’s always good to read your postings. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • THIRD PARTY

      THEY ARE ALL SHILLS FOR THE NEW WORLD ORDER,FUNDED BY CORPS,THROUGH RULE OF GOVERNMENT.

    • Craig

      You left out they also belong to big labor unions, like the scumbags at SEIU.

      • eddie47d

        Unions are owned and controlled by corporations and their power is limited. They can’t really do a thing or make demands without the approval of said corporation or business. Unions are dying because the corporations have too much power over who gets what. It certainly isn’t the American worker who is winning.

        • JeffH

          Wow! I didn’t think it could get any worse, yet I’ve been proved wrong! Thanks for the reinforcement fast eddie.

          • eddie47d

            You dumb down on a few issues Jeff and it never ceases to amaze me. Stick to your preprinted dialogs and impress your friends for you never say much on your own that is relevant.

          • JeffH

            Right fast eddie, and the corporations run the unions…LMAO!

          • Craig

            Eddie he dumbs down the issues so even you could understand and you still don’t get it. Says a lot about. Does your IQ even get out of the lower single digits?

          • JeffH

            fast eddie. do I detect a bit of jealousy? Just the fact that I find educational and informative information to share through my research and find that it is much easier to post that information, with the corresponding links of course, does not require that I post them in my own words. That said, you ought to try to back up your continuous rants and mis-information with a little factual research. Oh, that’s right, you don’t do any research, you just rant the mis-information you hear from the other liberal progressive minions or you plain make it up. You’d think by now that even a dummy could figure out that the ridicule you recieve would diminish if you’d post some facts once in awhile.

          • Angel Wannabe

            JeffH, Corporations run the unions___WTF???__

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhhh!,
            Have you ever worked for a company that has a union??? The unions have ruined what used to be a good concept! That concept WAS to protect the worker from dangers and unfair practices on the job. Now the union is SOOO money hungry it isn’t even funny!! Now the unions are the dangers and the unfair practice. The laziest workers on the job are protected so hard that they can’t be fired, in the case of teachers, the most rotten teachers in the schools are protected like they are endangered species! They should BE endangered!!! They should be gone, but the union threatens a strike if they fire him/her!! Meanwhile our children are falling further and further behind the rest of the world!!

        • JC

          “Unions are owned and controlled by corporations”

          Which Union? Which Corporations? Where do you get this crap?
          Unions and Corporations are anathema to one another. (look it up)

        • Craig

          Eddie, you truly are an idiot. What corporation owns or runs the SEIU scumbags?

          • eddie47d

            Wise up old dumb ones! Every union person works for someone else. The unions don’t own a thing and only want a piece of the corporate pie. They deserve a good wage like anyone and because they have the moxie to get it doesn’t make them the bad guys. Sure a few demand too much and they play this cat and mouse game of asking for alittle more and then settle for what would have been more reasonable in the first place. Most attacks on unions are overtly pathetic and tears down the middle class even farther. Some of you are helping to turn this country into a 3rd nation by ignoring Corporate corruption. You’re allowing these elites to make more at the expense of the once strong middle class. That is far more dangerous and you have been encouraging it with you’re union bashing.

          • Craig

            Man are you clueless.

          • JC

            For sure Craig, and unbelievably so…

          • eddie47d

            Craig and JC : I’m certainly not buying you’re snake oil so maybe you can join your corporate buddies and head out overseas.

          • JeffH

            fast ediot, where did you get your wit from? A rock, cause your about as smart as a rock!

          • Craig

            Eddie, speaking the truth that you are absolutely clueless is the truth. In your world the truth is snake oil? Strange world you live in.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      “You are SO wrong! Our politicians DO NOT belong to the government. They belong to large corporations who serve, not the people, but their own special interests. How can you be so blind?”

      This is a fool’s distinction.

      Blind? This word choice brings to mind the story of the blind men and the elephant, wherein six wise old men examine the parts of the four ton creature thoroughly, then get into a heated argument with one another. One claims the elephant is like a rope, another a tree, another a blanket, another a wall, another a spear, another a great writhing snake.

      They’re each correctly describing a tail, a massive leg, an ear, the torso, a tusk, the trunk. And they’re all missing the point.

      Big Gov, Big Media, Big Mil, Big Banks, Big Energy, Big Agri, Big Pharma, Big Etc.–are all part of the same massive elephant.

      To comprehend this frightening creature as a whole, we need to observe what it does. All of its parts functioning as a coordinated unit, as do all these Big Entities around us, generally comprising what’s known as the “corporatocracy.”

      Certainly Big Government can be named responsible for our woes: they were the ones charged by our founders, via the Constitution and Bill of Rights, with protecting us from the evil of corporate greed (by, for example establishing a sound monetary system, and recognizing States rights, and defending the rights of individuals). Just as certainly, Big Corporate can be charged with crimes against humanity, because they have been and are the ones committing them.

      Under what guaranteed right does a corporate lobbyist function? The right of the individual to petition. Is a lobbyist an individual? He can say he is, or he can be honest and say he represents Big Whatever. Doesn’t matter. Through some bizarre twist of legal logic, the incorporated interests he represents have the same rights as an individual. A corporation is legally granted “personhood,” thus in effect US citizenship, even if their name is All Continents Subjugation & Serfdom, LLC.

      There is no argument over who the enemy is. Greed which crosses the line of individual freedom is the enemy, and has been since long before the founding of our nation. What Livingston is saying is that our government (not just one political party, but every political party large enough to be worth suborning and co-opting) has crossed this line and joined that age-old enemy. Precisely and most specifically what our government was chartered to NOT do.

      • eddie47d

        Thank you, Someone who get’s the corporate connection.

      • JC

        That we suffer due to economic fascism is indisputable.

      • DaveH

        The reason Government has grown to the current critical mass is simply due to one thing – Voter Apathy. And I don’t see it changing. Corporations have no power whatever over us without the force of Government to back them up. What do most of the voters do to change that? They keep putting in office the same old tired politicians who promise them great things but give them cow dung. None of this is going to change until you people quit putting those damned RINOs into office. It doesn’t matter if they are better than the Democrats, they aren’t good enough to roll back the Leviathan Government. So, it just keeps growing.
        When we as voters learn to respect real Freedom, that is the Freedom to control our own bodies and property, then maybe things will change. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon. The Democrats want to share our money (thus our labor), and the Republicans want to save us from ourselves. Neither major party really understands Freedom. So, we suffer. And we will continue to suffer until people quit voting for power-hungry busy bodies who think they know what is best for others.
        Vote Libertarian for real Freedom:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • Average Joe Patriot

          DaveH: You know, there are a lot of obviously intelligent people here, I’d be glad to have them as neighbors when TSHTF, because they appear to be the sort of realists and pragmatists you need to build a new community from the ashes. Yet even many of them disagree on many things regarding what is wrong with our decaying system, what and who we would need in public office to fix it. Not to play devil’s advocate, here, but what makes you think your typical American voter can see through the smoke and mirrors sufficiently to agree to select, then elect anyone better suited to defend their interests than what they have been doing?

          It took the Supreme Court to put Little George in office the first time, and rigged voting machines to keep him there. To put Obama in the White House they scarcely needed any of that, vox populi was all it took, since in ’08 the devil the voters knew was more terrifying than the unknown alternative. We were handed absurd choices (except for Paul, who disappointingly caved) and told to hurry up and vote. And here we are today, right where They want us to be. It’s like the Johnny Cash song where he’s being swallowed by a snake.

          How in the world do you expect us to VOTE our way out of this mess?
          I’m sure Johnny was voting his ass off. We know how that song ended.

    • Grey Wolf

      They also belong to special interest groups, too. Labor unions, minority group associations, NGO’s & even religions. Each of these aforementioned contribute $$$$ in the millions to their respective candidates along with the PACs. From what you have written, I bet you have some affiliation to a SIG. Right?

      • Craig

        The DEms this election have spent 130 million and the repugs so far 80 million. Seems the dems are crying for what? They are getting plenty of money. Do they reveal who their contributors are? NO. F the libs. Let em whine and cry.

  • slickporsche

    Vote, vote, vote,vote, and you will still have same [offensive word removed] different day after the elections. You have all had so much sunshine blown up your butts you cannot see straight anymore. OH yes and do not forget “tolerance”. Now ain’t that a politically correct word? It is especially good when it is used to control you in everything you do.We are literally supposed to tolerate the horde coming across the border, the race of people we have that is 80% of the prison population and the majority of the poor. WE are suppose to tolerate the Muslims who are slowly repopulating America, and we are supposed to tolerate a government that does anything it wants and does not follow the US constitution. What are you going to do about it? Absolutly nothing!Oh sure you will walk out of the polling place with your head high and your chest all puffed out, like you have some control or a place in governing this once great republic.IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE????? End of story,end of a republic!

    • Joyce from Loris

      So, what do you suggest we do besides vote???

      • Average Joe Patriot

        I think if you have to ask, you can’t afford the pricetag.

        • Claire

          Clever.

  • Bob Wire

    ” The U.S. today is a fascist state no different from Nazi Germany. The only thing missing is the swastika and the jackboots. American fascism is far advanced from the German National Socialists.”

    This statement is well over the top and I didn’t see any reason to continue reading such thoughts once I got to this, know all sense of reason was lost.

    I’ll not bother with explaining the huge differences as I think it should be obvious to anyone , accept only to say, ~ The American people are not being subjected to or burden with war reparation so demanding as the Treaty of Versailles not to mention hyper-inflation where it took a wheel borrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread.

    There is many, many things missing that Germany was expose to and had to endure that we do not. What we do share in common is Zealotry on the part of a few who strive to enlarge their numbers even if it requires “burning something down”

    • slickporsche

      Be patient its coming soon enough.

      • Denniso

        Bob Wire, I agree w/ you that once Bob Livingston made that comment, I was done w/ the article. Equating us to Nazi Germany is absurd. You can find parallels between all sorts of aspects of different societies and gov’ts,but that doesn’t make them the same. One parallel now is all the hate and fearmongering directed toward minorities,immigrants,gays…Hitler did know how to scapegoat groups and used it to his political advantage. The extreme rightwing is doing the same thing.

    • bruce d.

      I agree with Bob Livingston on this. As he says they hide it under a very thin layer of deceit if one cares to look. Fascism is the best form of control because it allows simple minded people to keep believing they are free. Under Fascism you still own businesses and property which gives the appearance of freedom. What people fail to see is that government tells you what you can and can’t do with that private property and how much you have to pay them to keep it. Most of our rights have been made into privilages. Government claims that while they are rights government reserves the right to regulate them. Which makes them privilages. Over regulation by government is Fascism. Many people do not realize that because all they know about Fascism is that it occured under Hitler and we cannot possibly have that system here because everyone hates Hitler so it could never be.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Exactly right. Italy had fascism as well, probably still does to a great degree. But there is a very strong similarity between Nazi Germany and the USA of today, in that the Nazi Party virtually owned the propaganda machine (the MSM of their day) and they used it to the hilt. They were obvious in a way which (because what they did is recent memory) would be seen through immediately by many Americans seventy years later. Doesn’t mean it’s not happening on a more subtle but more widespread basis here, it is. Who did our present-day controllers learn their craft from? And the messages are being piped into the living rooms of a very dumbed down, drugged out, far more docile public than existed back then.

        As for the wheel-barrow/loaf-of-bread inflation? As Slick says, sit tight.

        (Come to think of it, you could fill a wheel barrow with loaves of bread at 1940 prices, for the dollar-cost of one loaf in 2010. Check my math, but I think this is called inflation.)

        Just because Hitler and his gang tried to boil the frog too quickly, doesn’t mean it can’t be done. (Hint, start by fluoridating the water, making the frog too fat and weak to jump, and raising the walls of the pan to the point where he can no longer see his way clear to freedom.)

    • Steve Dolyniuk

      And just where do you think this is all heading? We, the people have had it too good for a long time, & slowly but surely the politicians have taken advantage of the situation, & given themselves more power, & taken more freedom away from the people they are supposed to represent. Finally, with this present administration, some people are waking up,but I am afraid, not enough.

    • RobRoy

      If you didn’t continue reading the article, how do you find yourself qualified to reply to it????

      • Bob Wire

        I responded to one statement ~ an over the top statement that stood alone and needed no support for there was none that could be offered.

        In as far as these comments regarding the “heavy hand of government”, it’s being spoken as if it’s “Something NEW” and offered up by the current administration.

        We are not completely “Free” and haven’t been “Free” for quite awhile. It’s always been a illusion of sorts, the same walls that keeps others out , keeps you in.

        We have been regulated and law’ed and taxed to death ever since Ronnie said these words. ” it’s time to get the Federal Government off the peoples back” ~~ while City, County and State made it a Tag Team Match of regulating,taxed, penalizing and Licensing each one of us to death acting as federal proxy.

        This didn’t ~ just occur! There is no Fascist to it ! It’s simply greedy people running greedy government across the board.

        Why paint some god awful label on it that doesn’t fit in some attempt to mislabel and get people all worked up about the wrong thing?

        It doesn’t have a thing to do with Fascism or per WWII Germany accept with the attempt of exciting some kind of riot rule fueled by difficult economic times, old resentment, racial bias and religious beliefs.

        I doubt if there is any one here that dislike government anymore then I do on one of my better days. But, me not liking it ~ is not going to make it go away.

        You need a plan ~ a working plan ! I plan to die and screw everybody ~ that will teach ‘em. Until then, ~ I’m given up as little ground as possible.

        Now if you want to discuss how to avoid giving up ground, ~ lets talk.

        But It Sure as hell didn’t start with this administration and won’t end with it.

        This mislabeling is bull$hit and end in no good.

        • JC

          Conversely, I agree completely with Bob and have held the same viewpoint for some time. Our rights are barely there….if at all.
          And we live under a very thin layer of freedom…that can be taken away by jack boot authority at the drop of a hat.
          There’s just no arguing the point, it’s a real as it gets.

        • bruce d.

          It is like being an alcoholic Bob. Before you can solve the problem you have to be honest with yourself and call it what it is. Labeling it greed does not really recognize the fact that politians have changed the Republic into something that our ‘founders’ did not have in mind. You seem to think that because it didn’t all happen in the last two years that it is somehow not so bad. I do not quite get that.

          • Bob Wire

            Excellent observation and response Bruce and you are so right. So the question before us is ?

            What’s is it going to take to place people in office that loves the work of being public servants for the reward that public work offers and not just for the power and money?

            Any clues?

            need, greed and ego always manages to butt in.

            Maybe Public work should offer something besides money ~ something money can’t buy.

          • bruce d.

            Bob the Tea Party has started to put Republicans in fear of losing their job at the primaries if they do not go back to a Constitutional government. The Democratic Party belittles and degrades the Tea Party and any attempt to go back to a Constitutional government as does some Republicans. So first you have to find out who is willing to go back to a Constitution government and who is not. We cannot have government buying votes with a stimulus package. That is the ultimate assault on our Constitution and why the ‘founders’ were leary of a democracy.

    • DaveH

      The Government currently spends over 37% of our Gross Domestic Product. Translation – over 1/3 of our lives are being spent serving the Government. Could any crooks be any worse? Even the Mafia only demanded 20% for their “protection”. In return for all that money the Government harasses the honest and productive people in our society.
      Yeah, maybe Bob uses a little hyperbole, but basically I think he is right on target. We are being duped by the leaders. No, they don’t yank us out of our homes yet and line us against the wall to be shot, but if you don’t believe that might be coming, you are doing some major Hoping and Dreaming.

  • alpha-lemming

    Term limits!! Even so, things are so bad right now, if term limits were instituted, elected office would be akin to a prep school prior to “lobbiest university”.

    • JC

      Add nullification in there as well. The states should be nullifying all non Constitutional legislation coming from DC.

      • Craig

        And puttng in jail all first ladies caught electioneering in polling places as Mochelle did this past week.

        • eddie47d

          She was answering someone who supports her husband and then she left.It’s called conversation Craig and a very far stretch from what you called it.

          • JC

            You must be the guy who keeps the Queen’s skirt from touching that dirty ol American soil…else how the hell would you know what they were saying?

          • Craig

            That is still electioneering. She needs to be in jail.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie – this one is just for you!

            MICHELLE CAMPAIGNED INSIDE POLLING PLACE?
            Thu Oct 14 2010 16:19:25 ET
            First lady Michelle Obama may have violated Illinois law today — when she engaged in political discussion at a polling place!

            Mrs. Obama stopped off at the Martin Luther King Center on the south side of Chicago to cast an early vote.

            After she finished at the voting machine, Obama went back to the desk and handed in her voting key.

            She let voters including electrician Dennis Campbell, 56, take some photos with her.

            “She was telling me how important it was to vote to keep her husband’s agenda going,” Campbell said.

            According to the pool reporter at the scene, the conversation took place IN the voting center not far from the booths.

            Illinois state law — Sec. 17-29 (a) — states: “No judge of election, pollwatcher, or other person shall, at any primary or election, do any electioneering or soliciting of votes or engage in any political discussion within any polling place, within 100 feet of any polling place.”

          • Kate8

            Now, JeffH, You know that the left (especially black left) doesn’t have to adhere to such laws. Just look how they are allowed to combine politics and religion (right in their doctrines), feature campaigning politicians right at Sunday service…I bet we could find many ares where they are not held to this standard.

            Heck, they’re even allowed to threaten voters at the polls without fear of penalty.

            How have we put up with this double standard for so long without even a protest.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, you’re right. It’s always the case of “do as I say, not as I do” with them.

          • eddie47d

            JC; Jeff explained what she had to say so maybe you need to pay attention to the news instead of barking at the wrong time; and it was still passing words (conversation) Craig so don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill.

          • eddie47d

            Kate 8 had to bring up the race card and good ol’ Jeff eggs her on. That’s the real truth here.

          • Craig

            Passing words about you husbands Marxist agenda is called “electioneering” Eddie. It is a federal crime and she needs to be put behind bars.

          • JeffH

            Getting through to fast eddie is like trying to catch a fly with chopsticks…you could spend your whole life trying and never get it.

          • Bob Wire

            “First lady Michelle Obama may have violated Illinois law today — when she engaged in political discussion at a polling place!”

            Well? This is not good and polling stations are not the place for idle chit chat by “anyone”.

            ~ given the fact, the 1st Lady moves about with an entourage of security and handlers that’s paid top dollar to control her public appearances to the micro -detail, I can’t help but suspect we have a bit of embellishing at work here. ~ Do you think Michell can just run a muck and not be mindful of where she is at? I would think , most would be on their very best behavior.

          • Kate8

            Race card, eddie? Now, that’s funny, coming from a leftie.

            What I stated was simple fact. Playing the ‘race card’ is using race to threaten someone’s free speech. To silence truth. Like you just tried to do, eddie.

            I refuse to play that game. I call ‘em how I see ‘em. You can take your PC and stuff it.

          • eddie47d

            And you can take you’re two faced race baiting and stuff it. I’ll call it as I see it.

          • eddie47d

            Craig; They have padded cells for loonies like you.

          • JeffH

            fast ediot, can’t stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen!
            Stupid is as stupid does!

          • Craig

            LOL…an uneducated know nothing loon calling me a loon. Now thats funny.

          • Craig

            Eddie, you are slacking boy. You forgot to call me a racist. I take being called a racist as a badge of honor. Seeing as how, the liberal definition of the word, is anybody that does not buy into the stuff they spew.

  • Bruce Eden

    If government pays our politicians, then who is the government? I though “government” was us-We the People? If not, then what is the government? Is it a corporate entity as defined under 28 USC Section 3002(15)? If what you say is so, then each politician can be sued for violations of rights, especially if WE ARE NOT paying them, and the corporate entity is.

    • slickporsche

      That “we the people thing” is a fairy tale. It should be we the people, we the enablers. It is our taxes that give them the true power over us and everything. Maybe you believe in fairy tales, but I do not. I do believe we the people can take back our republic, but it will be expensive. It will take people of determination, and true grit, with guns bullets, and blood. You will know why I sat this in about two months or less.

      • Soldier

        Its up to the military. They either side with the people or side with the bastards in power. Bottom line. Unless you think some red necks in the woods with AR-15s can hold out against checmial warhead artillery, stealth bombers, tanks, etc.

        • JC

          The military is overseas so I guess we’ll have to rely on AMERICANS to defend there own nation. Thast might amount to more than a couple of “rednecks” as you so callously put it.

          • Soldier

            A great amount of the military is here in America. In fact, I bet more total military is here in the states then oversees. Also, I should note that one checmical warhead landing in the woods just might cause thousands of patriots to start spasming uncontrollably. Hope you have your gas masks at the ready. I am just trying to drive home my opinion, that I truly beleive its up to the military to defect and side with the people at least to some extent, or we are #$##$

          • THIRD PARTY

            73 % OF OUR TOTAL U.S. GOVERNED SOLDERS ARE OVER SEA’S.THE MARINES ARE THE TRUE PATRIOTS,IN THEIR OWN OATH.THE CITIZENS ARE FIRST TO BE DEFENDED AGAINST TYRANNY FROM IT’S OWN GOVERNMENT.RIGHT NOW THE MARINES 78 % TO 22 % WOULD TURN ARMS ON THE GOVERNMENT,THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT FOR SIX DECADES.

          • JC

            Point taken. Still, we need the patriots and their guns too.

          • Kate8

            I recently heard that our military is joining with the NWO in droves.

            Must be the youth who have no hope of any other future. Gee, you’d almost think it was planned.

          • JC

            Kate, would you please post something to back that up?
            That’s a pretty powerful statement to make based on “I heard”…

          • Kate8

            JC – Geez, I read and hear things all the time, and just mentally file it. I don’t necessarily jot down details for future reference!

            Rest assured, I would not say it if I hadn’t, in fact, heard it. I only mentioned it as a point of interest, thinking that if anyone was interested enough they could check it out.

            Anyway, until I run across the original info, this is something I came up with. If you want to know more, I’m sure you can find something yourself.

            http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin567.htm

            If we are limited to sharing only what we have links for, we miss a lot of potential info. Besides, it’s not as if a link proves or disproves anything, anyway.

      • Soldier

        You are right and you are wrong. Our taxes are the source of power to the politicans in the sense that our taxes make us poorer, and thus, more apt to slavery. However, the Federal Reserve simply prints what our government needs. There really is not point to paying taxes at all (as all of our tax money goes back to the Federal Reserve though the IRS) except to stay inflation some. If the fed just printed out money like crazy but collected no taxes from us, inflation would be worse. Remember if we had a god standard system of money, CON-gress couldn’t endlessly expand their wars, etc. without cofiscating all taxes at the barrel of a gun. If congress had to do this, we would rioted a long time ago.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Soldier,
          do you think the mid to lower ranked military would launch chemical strikes against the people of the U.S.?? Especially if there is even a slight chance that parts of their family might get hit?? I don’t think so! I served for over seven years and I don’t think any of the guys I served with would have, especially since their oath is to the constitution and by that to the people of the U.S.!!

          • Grey Wolf

            Joe, I have full confidence that our military would not fire upon the citizens of this nation. When you have 85% of your armed forces supporting Ron Paul in the 2008 elections, you have to realize that these men & women are no dupes. Over half the man’s campaign contributions came from military. When all hell breaks out, they will likely side with what I call the freedom fighters.

          • Kate8

            Joe H., I wouldn’t stake my life on that.

            Once again, the LINK:

            http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin567.htm

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            I’ll stake my life on it I staked my life on our troops for 18 months in VietNam and all my life here! The few that have committed true atrocities are the exception not the norm. I have faith in that! I know quite a few of the young people serving over there now and they are all good God respecting people. They are the type to take their oath seriously as I did 42 years ago! That doesn’t change that much!

  • slickporsche

    You will know why I said this in about two months or less.

  • http://www.soldbylynch.com Brian Lynch

    Bob Wire, you spell your name about as well as you spell in your response…”The American people are not being subject to or burden with war reparation” – the American people have it even worse than that – we have to pay back the national debt of $13+TRILLION dollars and the ‘unofficial’ unpaid obligations of $60+TRILLION dollars! AND hyperinflation is coming – if you don’t own gold or silver, you are deluding yourself…

    • Soldier

      when the system completely collapses, what good does gold or silver do you? You can’t eat gold or silver. What moron would give up a can of beans for some silver which might as well just be a shinny trinket after total collapse? Buy food buy food buy food buy food buy food buy food….

      • Isaac Unglaub

        Hello Soldier, history has shown over and over that in times of crises you could get anything for gold or silver, as well as precious stones. The (fiat) money, if available, became worthless! I personally can proof it!

        • Soldier

          Unfortunately, things are different now. It used to be that half the people were farmed and were self sufficient. Certainly they were tougher to some extent. Now, what? like 5% of the people farm? and 4.89% of them work for the Monsanto food corporation and owe their allegance to them?

          • Isaac Unglaub

            You are absolutely right that things have changed. But trust me, in times of crisis a black market(“crisis’ bazaar”) will always flourish! And any form of precious metal will be welcome, for your paper money you’ll get a pitiful smile.

      • goldenrod_on_myboots

        I agree with you. I think foreign currency is better than gold or silver. Why not irridium? Platinum is also scarce. These industrial metals, gold is one also, fell during the financial crisis of 2008-09. But, food, seeds, and some stock are more essential than gold. A goat or sheep may be the only resort for most of us. Hey, goat milk ain’t half bad. Bah.

    • Bob Wire

      What are you ? the frigging Spelling Police? the PEE PEE Wacker?

      It’s BOB WIRE ~that shouldn’t be too complex or tax you much? ~` and Yes , they say inflation is coming ~ it stand to reason that it should, after 10 years of flushing good money down the towelette.

      But I ask you ~ when have these economic grues and intellectuals ever been right, ~ accept after the fact.

      So you think today’s situation equates 1938 Germany ~ WELL, I’ve not the time to give history lessons and will leave you to “yourself” and your visions.

      • goldenrod_on_myboots

        Ah luv thees piple that spell sow well. They lern al tha ruls butt do they no iny thang?

  • slickporsche

    WE need a new government where all the people we now have in government are gone from it. WE need to start will ALL new people of normal citizens that are interested in the good of the country, its constitution, and the good of its people. No more attorney’s and no more career politicians like someone mentioned earlier.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      You will still have human nature and self-interest to deal with. Term limits will help.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Term limits will just make the bad ones hurry up their agendas!!!

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          Maybe. But what it will do is:

          1. mitigate corruption and vote selling of those in power too long and feeling entitled.
          2. make it tougher to develop corrupt relationships with outside influences.
          3. insure we get more potential work on the problems instead of spending the MAJORITY OF THEIR TERM working on re-election.
          4. attract a more service-oriented candidate because it’s NOT A CAREER.
          5. potentially save the lifetime pension costs for serving more than one term.

          It’s a NO BRAINER. You can’t expect the re-elected to change their stripes!

          • Warlord X

            It is way past time to enact term limits for EVERYONE,from the local water or county commissioner to every office in the city, County, and State office including judges and particularly the Supreme Court. But I would go further; limit the amount of time Congress can even meet. It has worked well for most State Legislatures where it has been adopted (against mighty political resistance). Perhaps then, they’ll feel less compelled to “do something”, or get their name on something. But more importantly, it is time to enact some specific methods for the ordinary citizen to compel the prosecution and punishing of un-Constitutional acts by anyone, but most especially those who have sworn the Oath of Allegiance to support and defend the Constitution (both State and Federal).
            DE OPPRESSO LIBER

  • CutnPaste

    You are correct, Bruce. Corporations own our representatives and the Supreme Court (remember Citizens United which gives corporations the right to buy elections). Even the Tea Party is bought and paid for by corporations. We need to open our eyes and see who the enemy really is. It’s not the government, but corporations, that are responsible for sending jobs overseas, turning Wall Street into a gambling casino, profiting from our wars in the Middle East, and advocating that the solution to our economic situation is to cut back on social programs (Medicare, Medicaid, health care reform, minimum wage, etc.) Its easier to accomplish their goals by turning people against one another. Hence, the anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, racist, sexist rhetoric. History will record that the corporate elite made fools of us all while they went to the bank to deposit their elicit profits. It’s sad.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      No one denies there are eploitative folks in large businesses. But guess what, they’re in all walks of life, government, small businesses environmental and scientific organizations, unions, you name it. Anywhere people are. Your post sounds like a Marxist to me.

      • CutnPaste

        Yes, Allan, greed and corruption exist in all walks of life, but those with the most money have the greatest opportunity to fix the system so it works for them and they can do the most damage to others.

        • eddie47d

          You get it, from that perspective.

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          In this worldview, you have to spend the majority of your time resenting those who are prettier than you, richer than you, smarter than you, better-liked than you, etc. What a lousy model for children!

          This attitude not only will wreck a country, it will wreck a person. It assumes a rich person can’t be good, which is the corollary to assuming that poor people can’t be bad.

          People accomplish more when they focus on their own accountability. You get to make a choice.

          America in large part ascended because of the opportunity to become wealthy. Take that away, and you remove a source of inspiration that government can never provide.

          • Kate8

            Allan Halbert, Very well said.

            That always has been what made America great, and what attracted so many people here from places where they had no hope of anything better.

            Now, the libs want to make us the same as all the places everyone’s been trying to escape.

    • Soldier

      The TEA PARTY EXPRESS is bought and paid for as a corporate hack entity. However, many tea parties are purely grass roots.

    • bruce d.

      I disagree with you totally on this CutnPaste. Many politicians you cannot even talk to them unless you donate to their campaign. I tried for some time years ago to talk to Alcee Hastings. The secretary says she will diliver the message. When I insisted a second or third in command called me back. Politicians are over the corporations but encourage the bribary for what they consider to be access time to them personally.
      Also the Tea Party is a Grass Roots movement that is constantly slandered by the left. So where does that put you CutnPaste.

      • CutnPaste

        Bruce D., at this point the entire political system is contaminatned. Both bribe givers (large corporations and their lobbyists) and bribe takers (politicians) are at fault. The system needs a complete overall and rigorous campaign finance reform would be a good start.

        As for the Tea Party, while proponents would like to believe it’s a grass roots movement, this analysis gives an excellent summary of where the money is actually coming from: “Right-wing billionaires exposed as financing Tea Party movement” (http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/9924).

        • eddie47d

          Most Tea Party folks are well meaning and shouldn’t be faulted for their patriotism and concern. Unfortunetely there is big money and “secret agendas ” behind those who are running the show.The Tea Party should not be stopped but the behind the scenes leaders need to be exposed and be made accountable.

          • Craig

            Does that same accountability go for the chocolate Marxist as well? That clown has more shadiness following him than any president in past history.

          • Bob Wire

            I agree Eddie, they do mean well. (the people/followers/believers, that is) as for the media, I feel it just another product, something to sell that people are buying along with the side products “gold/silver” guns and ammo etc. ~ Supply and demand! You can create demand! That seems to be what Media does best anymore.

            The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

            Myself, I’ve surly enjoyed watching the GOP hop,skip and jump about as a loose 900 lb. cannon has been tossed around on a pitching deck in heavy seas. I didn’t know Republicans could dance so well.

            It’s been a show ! McCain’s News flash “I’m no Maverick” just one of the many highlighted performances.

            Will something good come of it? Maybe, I hope so. But I fear the right wing media is attempting to ratchet things up to a flash point, much like Hitler did with the torching of the Reichstag and blaming the Jews for it.

            “The Reichstag fire (German: Der Reichstagsbrand) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.” ~

            The people themselves seem clueless as the “powers that be” playing their twisted tricks with mislabeling and using loyalty to keeping them in the blind.

            It seems only a few see and understand what’s really happening, as they become fevered and lost in the fight and fear.

            of course, they’d wish to turn it around and say the same thing of me. The only problem with that is, I don’t carry the fever ~ it is they that’s butts on fire, not mine. To that they would say, You should be if you were wise.

            There is no communication with them at this point, I’d have to be sitting in the Amen section to get a word in edge wise.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Barb Wire,
            nice lead-in to what you wanted to impress people on with your knowledge!!!

          • eddie47d

            Craig;I don’t know of any chocolate marxist! Mugabe maybe???

          • Craig

            Eddie you do not know the chocolate Marxist? You are liar, you voted for him. The dumb dumbs refer to him as Obama.

          • bruce d.

            You are being very condescending Eddie47d. People who show up at Tea Parties expect nothing in return except a Constitutional government and less taxes. To say that these people show up because some corporate funding just isn’t true. Most on the left want something for their support. They just can’t understand it when people want to do something for their country and its future.

          • eddie47d

            Another righty that can’t read. The Tea Party is being managed and manipulated just like all political agendas. They mostly started out as concerned citizens and got taken over by a few talking heads.

          • JeffH

            fast ediot, which Tea Party re you talking about?..apparently you’re the resident expert, so tell us which Tea Party. I know that my Tea Party isn’t funded or controlled by any political party.
            That’s right, somebody else said it so it must be true!

        • bruce d.

          “The rest of the Media Matters article gives a detailed breakdown of exactly who has been involved, what activities they’ve undertaken, dates & locations etc.”

          CutnPaste if you are listening to Media Matters it is not wonder you have the viewpoints you do. There are people at Fox News and heads of corporations that want what is best for this country. If that is the case they would not support President Obama and left wing ideology. They would support a Constitutional limited government as does The Tea Party. No one at a Tea Party is there because of Fox News or because of what some corporation wants. Fox News and corporations are welcome if they want to do the right thing and a lot of them do.

      • http://Verizon Bud G.

        Bruce D: I had the same problem as you with Congresswoman Castor. All I received from her were her automatic responses until I told her she hung onto the skirt of Nancy Pelosi; that 70 per cent of the people she represents did not want the Health care Bill and Cap and Trade to pass.

        She has responded to every submission of mine since I told her she was a fraud and would go door to door with her voting record. My opinion on her and her voting record along with many others was published in the Tampa Tribune since then. She is trying to stem the tide with several appearances in this area and the response she is receiving isn’t good. Since the Democrat’s have a majority in this area, I only can hope they see her for what she is and vote her out.

        • bruce d.

          Good job Bud G. Your response is makes me proud to be an American. The fact that one citizen can make a politician have concern for their job.

  • Conservative at Birth

    This is why I have believed we need 535 Mr. Smiths is Washington. We need to get involved at the grass roots level to get rid of the lawyers who write these garbled leglese 2700 page bills. NOW!!!!

  • Anikó

    Mr. Livingston, I don’t know why is exaggeration needed to make a point?

    If we would have fascism you could not have written and even less publish this article for many other hot-heads to read them. We also could not have Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck or the Weekly Standard or the National Review for public consumption.

    I am not saying that it’s not bad and that the danger of an actual fascism is not around the corner if we are no vigilant and don’t try to educate the deluded into resisting laws that are bad for the nation, but if we still have freedom of speech and assembly, we can control our elected officials to do the will of the people.

    We are facing an election and conservative TEA party candidates (or at least those who support their ideology) are winning in the polls. Whether they will win or not is up to the informed voter. So, the first step is to educate the voter. Second step will be to vigilantly watch the elected to do what they promised and took the oath of office. WE the people have to hold a Sword of Damocles over their heads and not allow them to get away even with the smallest infraction from the Constitution.

    Economically we still are not exactly finished as you posit it. Lower taxes for the job creators, ease up on regulations, curtail the power of Communist unions and watch how quickly we can recover.

    “Politicians”, as you describe them, are the necessary “evil” of a representative Republic’s needs and they will tend to eventually feel too comfortable in their positions, but that can only happen if we revert to become the “sleeping giant” after election”.

    You are way too negative and you pick on the few who are hopelessly corrupted. Those can be dealt with as long as you have educated voters.

    • bruce d.

      Aniko I believe Bob is right that we do have Fascism right now. You have the better argument though as I believe that what you are saying is true also. You have the right attitude and there is a possibility that we can turn things around. Keep up the good work.

    • Shasta

      i disagree with you, unfortunately some of the voters out there dont know (excuse the term) shit from shineola……..therefore scare tatics as you put it, is the only way to get thru to them. they cannot see past the wall in front of them, when you have not thinking power, yet you are allowed to mark that ballot, what other choice do we have? can you get thru to the ignorant? remember, you cannot educate the unwilling
      PEACE

  • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

    Bob-

    I appreciate the parallels to National Socialism we may see in the U.S. However, George Bernard Shaw, though he wrote interesting plays, was into eugenics and Fabian Socialism, and believed in extermination of people who didn’t meet his definition of intelligence.

    • s c

      Allan, most Americans aren’t familiar with Shaw or Fabianism. The main reason for that is because Ameica has ‘the best education system that money
      can buy.’ Isn’t it curious that we were hosed via a prez who supports the Planned Parenthood/abortion cabal, but he just can’t find the time to repudiate Margaret Sanger?
      It’s enough to wonder just how black someone has to be to REALLY care about one’s brothers and sisters. Even Jesse Jackson hasn’t stepped forward to wrestle with that one. Go figure. Perhaps playing the race card is more of a double-edged sword than some well-known, race-baiting, hypocritical icons dare to ponder. And then there’s The Anointed One.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        I hear you. It really saddens me to see people such as Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama keep black people feeling victimized and entitled…a most powerful and destructive drug. Elijah Mohammed got half of it figured out by telling blacks they can be successful; unfortunately few black leaders have put that together with the idea that it is counterproductive to resent whites…while the Progressive, white-guilters aid and abet these attitudes for their political gain.

  • Mick

    Conservative at Birth says:
    October 18, 2010 at 10:19 am
    This is why I have believed we need 535 Mr. Smiths is Washington. We need to get involved at the grass roots level to get rid of the lawyers who write these garbled leglese 2700 page bills. NOW!!!!

    **************************
    Conservative………
    535 Mr.Smiths’s…it would be nice unfortunately how many Mr.Smiths can you find in a population deprived of moral values………..??

    • Harry Buttle

      The bill was long to close loopholes through which corporations could wiggle. Judging by the reaction to it, that effort was quite successful.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Harry,
        gee, is that why so many corps are getting deferments???

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Amen to the article. Our Lord said that we are in the world but for those that truly know Him, we are not be like the world. Light has come into the world but sad to say many that are now in control love the darkness more than the light. The Lord gave man dominion over the earth and all therein including the animals; however, that truth has been so twisted that animals become more important than humans. To them eagle eggs are protected with the reality of many years in prison for those that disturb them but it is legal to kill a baby in its mother’s womb. Man is the only creation that is made special enough to be created in the image of God but he is not God and never will be. Some like George Soros and other progressives think they are God and in his case, he openly admits to thinking this way. I agree with God: He calls them fools. Henry

    • eddie47d

      If no one protects the dwindling populations of creatures then no one wins. Do you want to be the last person to kill an animal species off? We are getting nearer to that day and I’m sure God wouldn’t approve of that either. Mankind is growing and his other creatures are becoming as rare as those fabled cities of gold. That is hardly animal worship.

      • Craig

        Eddie you are so clueless. We are not getting closer to killing of all the species. Since the dawn of time 95% of all species that lived on this planet have gone extinct. And guess what? Everything is still here and doing fine. Fact is, one species dies out another comes to exploit its station in life. That is a fact. You liberals are always crying wolf and your doomsday predictions never come true.

        • JeffH

          Craig, it’s a fact that the hunters, fishermen and outdoorsmen are the true conservationists despite the selfish, self absorbed and phony environmentalists.

          • JeffH

            …should have added for wildlife and habitat…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            Perhaps the phoney enviros should go extinct!!!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff: What does that have to do with anything? Population growth is determining whether a species lives or dies. That means less for hunters and fishermen or can’t you grasp that?

          • Claire

            JeffH– And I am behind you 100% regarding your comments.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, again you’re behind the learning curve here. You talk about animal species and extinction…look at Ducks Unlimited who is the world’s leader in wetlands and waterfowl conservation. Ducks Unlimited conserves, restores and manages wetlands and associated habitats for North America’s waterfowl. These habitats also benefit other wildlife and people, all of the people…not just hunters

            The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Whitetail Foundation, Mule Deer Foundation, Pheasants Forever, Quail Unlimited, etc. etc. just to name some of them.

            These are all organizations supported and funded by outdoorsmen, hunters and fishermen, that study, enhance and provide for the growth success of herds and flocks of wildlife across the nation and around the world. They are not selfish environmental groups, they are true coservationists and are more responsible for saving wildlife from extinction than all the environmental groups combined.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, the bottom line is that despite the selfish environmentalist, wildlife numbers have prospered thanks to the outdoorsman, hunters and fishermen. You see, we realized almost a hundred years ago that unless we gave something back, we’d never be able to hunt and fish and enjoy the outdoors like we do today..

        • eddie47d

          Now that’s a real brainy statement;” 95% have gone extinct but they are still here”You are clueless of what mankind is doing to animal populations or even plant species. Evolution is over for many lifetimes ahead and what goes extinct now will be gone forever.You ought to be charged with reckless endangerment.

          • Claire

            eddie47d–There are good fishermen, hunters, and numerous people in the United States that DO care for the wildlife and environment. Not all of them are evil. BTW–when the government pays farmers NOT to farm their ground, why aren’t trees planted to bring back habitat for animals? There are a lot of things that could be done. Depending on some of the so-called radical environmentalists certainly is not the answer. What about PETA–that filthy organization. They believe in killing dogs and cats rather than have them domesticated and live in good homes. Exhibitors at dogs show have to keep an eye of their show dogs. PETA has gone to numerous shows and released the animals! And guess what!! A lot of them were killed on the nearby interstates and roads. My point is that some of these “wonderful environmentalists” are NOT the do-gooders they claim to be.

          • JC

            Just a thought eddie…if you want to understand something a little better take a course. Most municipalities offer hunter education….you’d learn a lot about conservation there.

          • Claire

            Talking about killing dogs and cats makes me think of Brady who is running for governor of Illinois. He presented a bill to have dogs and cats put in the same room together and killed by auto exhaust. When people got in an uproar about it, he quickly gave the bill to one of his buddies. The bill has been tabled. If Brady had any sense he should have pulled the bill and done away with it. Now Brady’s mother is having a hissy fit because Quinn has used this in ads. She should have expected this to happen. She says it is not “fair.” She should know that anything goes in politics. Dog eat dog. Pardon the pun.

          • Kate8

            Claire – Now we’re having whackos telling us we have to keep our cats indoors so they don’t kill birds. They’re trying to criminalize cats killing birds!

            While I love birds, and have saved many from the jaws of my cats, it’s just what God created cats to do. Has to do with the food chain, I guess. Besides, I haven’t noticed a decrease in birds at all!

            My cats hate the GMO catfood, so they catch their own.

            Interestingly, they oppose hunting mountain lions, and don’t seem to care about the people, including children, who’ve been killed by the big cats. That’s not surprising (since they consider humans to be of lesser value than other species), but I guess they don’t care about the small animals eaten by cougars either.

            With libs, it seems that whatever it is that we do, we have to be stopped. We can’t, we can’t, we can’t. They’re making life miserable, and I wish they’d go back to their city ‘burbs and leave us alone!

          • JeffH

            Claire, like you, I love dogs because I was raised with them. Never had much use for cats although they seem to accept me just fine, but most animals can sense who to trust or not. Peta and the Humane Society, well let’s just say they are more political machines and a whole lot less about being humane. Their records have been widley exposed as in-humane.

            Kate8, knowing the area you live around and of course the area where my folks used to live over by N San Juan on Moonshine Road, they’ve seen the mountain lions before and people in the area were losing their pets too.

          • Claire

            Kate8 and JeffH–There are a lot of crazies out theree. Here in this area we have to keep an eye on our pets– No racism intended but there are whites and blacks that go around stealing dogs from backyards and using them for “bait” for their pitbulls. In Illinois there are a lot of dogfighting rings. Sure wish the police would catch more of these rotten characters but rumor has it that the police kind of shrug it off and say at least these lowlife people are killing dogs, not people. To me, that is a “cop-out.”
            Some kids took an old lady’s dog out of her backyard, tied it to a telephone pole and let a pitbull go after it. Of course it was killed. Dogfighting here is as rampant as the meth labs. Disgusting, if I were a judge and any of these creeps came into my courtroom I would send them away for years. The Michael Vick incident was deplorable, I don’t give a damn how good of a ballplayer he may be, this is cruelty in one of the worst forms. These type of people do not change. I don’t care “how” they grew up, a person still has a choice in life–to be a decent human being or a lowlife. If I were a cop, I would go after them. No holds barred.

          • http://naver sook young

            Claire, who is this Brady person? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

          • Claire

            sook young–It is Bill Brady–he is a Republican running for the Governor of Illinois against the current governor Pat quinn who is a Democrat. I really do not like either of them. There is a Green Party candidate named Rich Whitney that is running also. As usual, not much to pick from here in Illinois.

          • Craig

            Eddie you lied I never said the 95% of species HAVE lived on this planet are still here. You are a liar. Learn to read Beavis. All you libs, all have the same reading comprehension problem. Maybe that is why you all are as dumb as rocks.

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you for the information, Claire!

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

          • eddie47d

            Craig; Then you better learn to write! “Everything is here and doing fine”. Either they are here or they are not.

  • http://com i41

    Corporatin are run by their boards, which are usually alot of former or wanna be government dinks. Take wal-mart, the Clinton admininastation rejects as advisors even UN Hillary, has sat on that board. Look who has been on the Wall Street boards. Tax cheats like Geithner, Daschle, and other dumocrap clowns. These are your corpation advisors, who set the CEO salaries, cut and Paste you need to see who is on the boards and no with we have the unions slugs on the board.

    • Harry Buttle

      Yikes! No Republicans ever serve on corporate boards? How likely is that?

  • CharlesR

    There needs to be a new Oath of Office for political office which reads “I solemly swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America and serve the best interest of the American People, understanding that if I fail to do so I will be held to account for Treason and if convicted, be subject by a jury of my peers, to be put to death. So Help Me God.”

    • MarkZ

      I agree

    • THIRD PARTY

      THAT IS ALREADY THEIR OATH.

    • Craig

      PERFECT….agree 100%

    • BrotherPatriot

      If this were enforced…we sure wouldn’t have very many current polititions left.

      We NEED to enforce this…

  • http://yahoo Robert

    No thanks, I’ll keep my faith, in the government.

    • Isaac Unglaub

      Robert, Stalin once said: 80% of the population are useful simpletons. When I was young, my father always told me: make sure you don’t belong to the 80%. Listen to my Old Man.

    • THIRD PARTY

      YOU MUST BE A RETARDED SHILL.

    • alpha-lemming

      You’re welcome (for the food stamps I buy you every month).

  • Mick

    Robert says:
    October 18, 2010 at 11:24 am
    No thanks, I’ll keep my faith, in the government.
    *******************************

    Wow Robert !!!!
    How much more manure do they have to spread on your face ?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      mick,
      They don’t have any choice the face is the only part that isn’t already buried in it!!

  • http://ricks-constitutionofourforefathers.blogspot.com/ Rick

    I do not think it is too late. However, it is very late, and correction must take place immediately with our soon to be newly elected congressional and senatorial representatives.

    As has been commented, we must hold the new people’s feet to the fire and ensure they follow their prescribed path to return us to constitutional government. But, are they up to it? Most of our laws since the beginning of the Twentieth Century are unconstitutional, in whole or in part. Disassembling and / or repealing such laws will cause riots among those on entitlements, either spontaneous or orchestrated, which I suspect most may be.

    As far as returning us to a truly capitalistic market, many painful changes will have to be made. To begin with, the Federal Reserve System must be removed, and metal coinage returned to the congress.

    Then, as soon as feasible, support prices must be reviewed and for the most part repealed, leaving only those for which removal would be disastrous for the industry or product and involved workers. Support prices defeat the proper working of supply and demand.

    Will our new representatives and we the people have the stamina and patience to spend the time, energy, and will to fulfill all this? We must if we wish to return to constitutional government and save our beloved republic. If not, only one method remains: i.e., the Second Amendment, the ultimate constitutional solution.

    • marvin

      Rick
      problum is only true entitlements are ss and medicare the rest unemployment medicaid welfare are not entitlements if you don,t pay it you an,t entitaled to it, thay are just goverment programs

      • http://ricks-constitutionofourforefathers.blogspot.com/ Rick

        Good points, Marvin. I mistakenly used the general use of the word. True entitlements are the ones we are truly entitled to as we have paid into them. I was referring to the government programs creating the ‘entitlement mentality’ engendered by the leftists who claim they are entitled to government handouts.

        My main point, is do we really have the will and guts to do what is required? I sure hope so.

  • Steve Dolyniuk

    One thing could be done to get rid of the idiots in Washington, but it will never happen, because there are too many gutless people. STOP PAYING TAXES They can’t put everyone in jail, & without money from taxes the idiots wouldn’t work, or I should say show up for work. The Government may pay them, but we pay the Government.

  • THIRD PARTY

    THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID IS USELESS WITHOUT THE BASE,REMEMBER THAT.THESE ELITIST ARE USELESS WITHOUT THE PEOPLE,NO POWER,NO MONEY WITHOUT THE TAX PAYERS.THE CFR,TRILATERAL COMMISSION,IMF,WORLD BANK,ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION,ROTHSCHILD,THE U.N. THESE ARE THE PUPPET MASTERS.

    • CutnPaste

      Good point, THIRD PARTY, the pyramid is useless without the base and the elite cannot rule if the people deny them power. That was Ghandi’s underlying principle in dealing with the British. India achieved independence (their goal) not through violence, but through civil disobedience. Great Britian learned that it could not lead (govern) if the people would not follow (obey). Surely, there’s a lesson to be learned here.

  • THIRD PARTY

    SHAW WAS A EUGENICIST SHILL,ALONG WITH KISSINGER CALLING FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD A GOOD USE TO RID ALL THE UNDESIRABLE DARK BABY’S.QUOTE FROM 1971.

  • JeffH

    In the nearly 100 years of the existence of the Fed, it has NEVER been audited and they don’t pay income tax on the billions of dollars they take from us. The first two Federal Reserve Systems lasted about 20 years each and we are now almost a hundred years into the third one.

    Thomas Jefferson was adamantly opposed to the idea of a privately owned federal bank and said ” I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies”.

    In 1811, under President James Madison, Vice President George Clinton broke the tied vote in congress to cast the bankers out refusing to renew the charter for the bankers. Unfortunatly it was President Madison who proposed a second United States privately owned Central bank and it came into existence in 1816
    In 1836 President Jackson, overriding Congress, closed it commenting, “The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it.” (we now have another one like it)
    Andrew Jackson also said, when speaking to the bankers: “You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God I will rout you out.”

    In 1913, the year after Woodrow Wilson was elected president of the United States. Prior to his election he needed financial support to pay for his campaign, so he reluctantly agreed, that if elected, he would sign the Federal Reserve Act, in return for that financial support. In December 1913 while many members of Congress were home for Christmas, the Federal Reserve Act was rammed through Congress and was later signed by President Wilson.
    At a later date, Wilson admitted with remorse, when referring to the Fed.”I have unwittingly ruined my country”.

    We didn’t have nor did we need an income tax until we got the bankers back. The income tax was only needed to pay interest to the bankers for our money that they loan to our government.

    The 16th amendment, which created the IRS, was never properly ratified, not even by one state! So in a very real sense the income tax isn’t legal, as many have proclaimed, but try not paying it and see how far you get before the Feds come after you and confiscate everything you own.

    Henry Ford once said “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning”.

    According to Congressional record the U.S. Government can buy back the FED at any time for $450 million.

    Do we have the most stupid and/or the most corrupt leaders in the world, or what? It seems their # 1 concern is getting re-elected, they seem to think nothing of shirking their responsibilities to the people who elected them to their powerful prestigous high paying jobs. Congress likes the Fed because they can spend all they want with no restraints, they just put our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren into debt.
    Article 1, section 8, of the Constitution reads:
    The Congress shall have the Power…..To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof,….
    Nowhere in that document does it give Congress the authority to delegate this responsibility to anyone, much less a bunch of private bankers.
    http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/BIGGESTSCAMINHISTORY.HTML

    • JeffH

      On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy signed a Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110. This order virtually stripped the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Government at interest. President Kennedy declared the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This order gave the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates against any silver in the treasury. This executive order still stands today. In less than five months after signing that executive order President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.
      The United States Notes (silver certificates) he had issued were taken out of circulation immediately. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of this nation. It is estimated that 99% of all U.S. paper currency circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.

      Abe Lincoln also took on the bankers and that brave bold step may also have cost him his life.
      President Lincoln needed money to finance the War for the North. The Bankers were going to charge him 24% to 36% interest. Lincoln was horrified and greatly distressed, and he would not think of plunging his beloved country into a debt that the country would find impossible to pay back.

      So Lincoln advised Congress to pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender Treasury notes to pay for the War effort. Lincoln recognized the great benefits of this issue. At one point he wrote: “… (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had – their own paper money to pay their own debts…”

      Lincoln was assassinated shortly after the war and Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted, in its place, the National Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they issued were to be interest-bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.

      When you follow the money you find there was no-one in the world who had a better reason to kill these two Presidents than the bankers. It seems inconceivable that anyone could still think there was no conspiracy in the assassination of JFK, especially when you consider the many people that were murdered or had suspicious deaths and who were associated in some way with Kennedy’s assassination.

      Concern Without Action Is A Waste Of Time!! The Federal Reserve, United Nations, Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers and other elites of the hidden government are leading us into The New World Order and they are leading us fast. You are not going to like it when we get all the way there, and we are over half way there now.

      Only we can save this Republic!!!

      • Isaac Unglaub

        JeffH, my hat off for you! I have nothing to add! Thank you heartfelt for your note.

      • grumpy

        JeffH. I can’t express how refreshing it is to hear back the same story I’ve been telling people for many years now. I have some of those United States Notes that were issued back then to corroborate my theory. The sad thing though: every time I tell it to someone I get a look like I’m the biggest looney around and I’m met with utter disbelief. The biggest hurdle is trying to educate people that the Federal Reserve is a completely private bank who has committed the biggest and most harmful fraud which makes Ponzi schemers look like Eagle Scouts. I sense a shift of position from: yes, the government is really screwing us to: oh! they wouldn’t do that, the system wouldn’t allow it. Some people have got downright offended at my explaining it to them. As I said in a previous post: I’m fearful that we are lost because of stupidity and ignorance. Which brings up another piece of the puzzle for me: when I was in high school they taught Civics and American History. I don’t think they do that anymore, do they?

      • Grey Wolf

        Thanks for all the great posts today, especially this one!

    • BrotherPatriot

      Really appreciate your efforts JeffH.

      Keep up the good fight, fellow Patriot!

      • JeffH

        BrotherPatriot, we all need to keep up the good fight. In honor of Samurai and his bride Sook Young…FOR GOD AND Country!

        • http://naver sook young

          Thank you very much JeffH! I know he’ll like hearing that. He gets released this Saturday, hopefully! I’ve made him promise to wait till Monday before continuing the fight, so he can get his energy back. Thank you all, fellow patriots! For God and country! Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai
          Vote November 2!

          • JeffH

            samurai and sook young, always for a fellow patriot. Looking forward to samurais’ return. Sook young, you’ve defended your man well.
            For God and country!

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you JeffH. I always try my best.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

          • http://naver samurai

            JeffH., let everyone know that I’m back and ready to fight, though a little tired. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! We’re winning and they know it! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JeffH

            samurai, welcome back! Build up your strength and stamina so that you can keep up the good fight…that is most important, having the strength to continue.

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks fellow patriot. Let’s go get them! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • BrotherPatriot

            Welcome back, Samurai! Your wife is SOLID. :D

            Continue with the posts about the true ROOT of our problems…JeffH, Kate8, Samurai, j c and all the rest of you…post the info even in topics that may not exactly be about the NWO people. As we enlighten our fellow Patriots…the word spreads and more and more of us become informed about who the true enemies of America are…the NWO & the Islamic Movement!

            The NWO use the Federal Reserve as their primary weapon against us (controls the money so therefore controls everything else) and the Islamic Movment uses our own laws against us to further their entrenching right here in our native soil. Only educating our fellows to the truth will save us!

            God Bless & Gmorning!

    • THIRD PARTY

      HR1207 RON PAUL’S BILL AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE,PRIVET ENTITIES ARE ALL SUBJECT TO AUDIT.

  • Raggs

    Absolutly correct…. Not to mention that the government owns ALL Fedral judges…

    Hey Third party….

    I would say that the government will deflate the US dollar this will usher in the one world currency and a one world governance… So you see people like us make no differance to the elite…
    I have said many many times over… Voting is a PONZI sceem…

    The ruler of the one world governance will in most liklyhood be obama.

    • THIRD PARTY

      THE DOLLAR IS ALREADY DEFLATED,THIS SCAM HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS,THE AMEURO WILL SOON BE INSTATED FOR MEXICO,AMERICA,AND CANDIDA.

  • marvin

    clinton left office with a supposed surplus,? is now 13 trillion ?
    bush left office with a 10 trillion defisit ,he blew 10 trillion in 8 years,?
    gm gets 60 billion bailout and paid it all back 5 billion,?
    no cola for ss receivers, fed employes get 2% pay increse,average wage 100,000,
    post office is 5 /6 billion or more in red,and the 200,000 postal worker want another raise,$35 to $40 an hr an,t enuf,
    obama is suppost to represent the american people but wants to by pass congress and give amnesty to 20 million good honest hard working law abiding undocument criminal illegal aliens,
    nepolitano we are only going after the criminal illegals aliens, not the undocumented criminals aliens,
    holder we can not have a state enforcing laws that we don,t want enforced,obamas wife ,this is the first time in my life i am proud of this country
    damm i need a vacation only had 6 this year
    hell yes i read all 2800 pages of obama care befor i voted for it,
    pelosie we got to pass it [obamacare]to see whats in the bill,
    pelosie anyone that don,t love illegal aliens are unamerican
    reid the war is lost,or am i lost hell i don,t know,
    rangel i am not a crook i payed most of my taxes when i want to
    waters i did nothing wrong by helping get money for my husbands bank
    bill clinton, it was hillary fault she would not give it up is why i was playing monica mount the cigar
    all great americans,just blame bush

    • RobRoy

      The only thing Slick Willie did was to ONE YEAR balance the budget (Outgo = income). I have no idea whet happened to the pittance of a surplus generated but will bet none of it went to reducing the deficit. Again,He Did Nothing To Reduce The Deficit.

      • Wayne

        He had a Republican Congress at that time that forced him into balancing the budget. He did not do it out of the goodness of his heard.

  • grumpy

    Thanks Bob. Politicians like to fabricate and foster public concern for issues which get all of us sidetracked from the real issue: the systematic theft of our Life, Liberty and our Pursuit of Happiness by purposely putting up a house of mirrors so we will just give up on trying to figure it out. We have to get mentally tough and admit that crimes are being committed by them and their puppet masters, the State Corporations, against the American People. I’m reading “Flight from Monticello – Thomas Jefferson at War” be Michael Kranish and it it jolted me to see that the exact same conditions are happening today which led to War with Great Britain back then. I can see pieces of the puzzle such as the taking away our ability to own hand guns and regulate everything concerning it so we will be left defenseless against a predatory government that wants unfettered fiat control of the American People and peoples of the world, for that matter. This time, right now, is the defining time for us and I fear that it will lost to shear stupidity and ignorance.

  • RobRoy

    Bob, I found this article very interesting. It brings up fire in most in most readers, I’m sure.
    I really wish you had referenced FACT a little and opinion a tiny bit less. I would really like to know the fact(s) on which this article is based. Without something concrete backing up an OP/ED you could just as well be one of those hate screamers on the other side of this isle.
    You referenced a few “facts” but quoted so little of them that confusion is still rampant.

  • http://www.ladybugcreations.com Jam

    I will say it again, band and outlaw all lobbiest and demand term limits is the first set of actions we need to take. What I want to know or figure out is how do we go about getting this written in at the poles, so we can vote on it. My son not long ago said if all politicians were made to wear patches on the sleeves ( like race drivers), of which corp. sponsored them, at least we would know who had bought their votes.-Jam

    • THIRD PARTY

      THAT WOULD BE GREAT.BOTH PARTY’S ARE USELESS SHILLS FOR SPECIAL INTEREST,THAT IN RETURN ANSWER TO THE PUPPET MASTERS.CFR,TRILATERAL COMMISSION,IMF,WORLD BANK.

  • Nancy Kosling

    About Rick’s support of return to metal coinage… In November 2009 as the government gave orders to the Fed to print large continuous production of more feit dollars, many brokerages and ‘banks’ were given tons of the stuff, with only a recommendation to rescue failing mortgages. I was making my first gold and silver purchases at a major mint. I was to receive my purchase within 30 days, but it was not to be. Over 180 large banks took their government mortgage money and bought silver, 200 million ounces of it. They muscled their way to the front of the production-line. The banks had backed up orders for more. I received my order in late April, nearly five months from my order and payment date. The original fiet money was a government gift.. If you borrow money from a bank, you make a guarantee of repayment in contractual documents. The banks didn’t sign a repayment contract to the government nor will they. The burden will be added to the citizens across this nation to pay back.

    • goldenrod_on_myboots

      The government is the bank now. The banks have been nationalized. The raising of the FDIC limit, the near monopoly of Freddie, Fanny, Sally, and the bailout boys on home mortages, the bailout of their insurers, and the government control of who gets a loan through regulation all are a government grip on the money. Students are button hooked into taking out loans because the alternative is not having a college education. Who drove up the cost of a college education. Government. Paying too much to professors, administrators, coaches, and general staff at state run schools. Used to be an educator was poor unless he created something everyone wanted. Now, they demand 100K a year and chairs. Let ‘em make their own chair with an accomplishment that pays. Government also gave money to the poor to attend college with Pell grants that are a floor to the value of education just as SSI and welfare are a floor to the cost of food, fuel, beer, smokes, and crack cocain.

  • Dale

    Many times I have posted.. “Follow the money”… “It’s always about the money”… “The only thing green [environmental] is the color of the money”
    Everything government does has a dark side that is 2/3rds of the true story. Take a couple of typical examples, wind power, and electric cars.
    NOTE: Even though hydro power consumes no fuel government does not consider hydro power to be a renewable resource.

    Putting resources into non-reliable energy sources will eventually cause grid failure.

    Wind power is not reliable and cannot replace reliable steam or hydro generated electricity without batteries. The volume of batteries necessary and the environmental hazard they represent are far worse than coal. There isn’t enough space at the current wind farms to include batteries.

    Electric cars increase energy consumption. Shocked are you? Energy conversion loss; when fuel is used to generate electricity from any consumable fuel, coal, or gas there is an energy loss of more than 50% as compared to direct use of the fuel.

    And nothing is ever said about the energy consumption to make the products either. ‘Green” made Gore rich, but then he has equal amounts invested in oil, gas, etc to hedge his ‘Green’ bets.

    According to IRS definition based on accepted accounting principles,
    Government is a non-income producing overhead expense to the private sector.

  • Ronald Johnston

    The only solution to this disaster is a bloody revolution to purge our country of these evil people. Buy more bullets. These monsters will not go voluntarily.

    • THIRD PARTY

      SADLY,THAT’S SORT OF TRUE.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    The first step in reclaiming our great Nation is to awaken the populace. they have been wallowing in apathy far too long. the next step is to get the individual States to reassert their authoirty as to the Constitution. No more Federal unfunded mandates. Realize that there are far to many lawyers in the Congress. Vote them out and replace them with real people who have the best interests of the Nation at heart and will live up to their oath of office. This all would be a good start.

    • grumpy

      gunner689. I think I’ve come up with a solution about public servants but I’ve not come up with a way to institute it: institute a draft for two years of people to fill positions in Congress as our representatives and give them a stipend much like military service. After the time of service has been fulfilled someone else takes their seat. I think that the bankers and corporations will have a pretty tough time digging their hooks into someone in that short of time. The drawback: the Constitution does not provide for it. The other idea I have is to rescind the 17th amendment. If representatives are drafted, the possibilities of going back to how senators were selected before the 17th amendment would be greatly enhanced and, in my opinion, balanced and in our favor, which is how it is supposed to be.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        grumpy,
        seems to me, if you pay them a stipend it will be easier for big money to bribe them. We HAVE TO find some honest people that find honor in serving! They were there at the founding there has to be some now!

    • grumpy

      I forgot to add something: An amendment had to be drawn up and ratified that Congress cannot pass any laws concerning commerce. No matter how much gold is stuffed into those avaricious bastards pockets they won’t be able to enact any favors to them. Let the playing field be evened out.

  • Karolyn

    Wow! Bob has really gone off the deep end this time! I simply cannot believe that ALL politicians are such dogs. As in all calculations, you cannot generalize.

    • Claire

      Karolyn–Sorry, but dogs (especially mine) are much much better than politicians. At least dogs are honest. Personally I will never compare dogs to a politician.

  • Carol

    Unprovoked???? Well, denniso, I guess you must have been out of the country on September 11th, 2001. If that wasn’t provoking, then nothing is. Tell you what. Why don’t you just leave the USA permanently and you won’t have to put up with it.

    • Karolyn

      Boy, I wish I had a dollar for everyone who has told me to leave the country! :-)

      • Carol

        I wasn’t talking about you, but if the shoe fits———–

      • grumpy

        Dear Karolyn – I’m not going to descend into bad mouthing, etc. There’s enough of that going on in here already and it turns this forum into a schoolyard fight. What we are going through is too important and too precious for that. I write this to everybody: even though my moniker is grumpy don’t let it influence you; I gave it to myself because others thought I was grumping around. And they are right. But Lordy, somebody’s got to grump and I come by it naturally. The world will not be balanced without grumps like me. Moreover, we all have our way of expressing a distaste and revulsion in liars, cheaters, bullies and murderers and I really can’t be faulted for stating the obvious. Please, if you haven’t already, admit that there is something terribly wrong with a government that rips you off and uses the IRS to do its dirty work. Admit that something went terribly wrong when the intrinsic value of money nosedived after the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Admit that life was much happier back in the earlier part of the 19 hundreds. Admit that nothing angers and terrifies people more than economic instability (am I going to die, what will I eat–basic fears here). Admit that a lot of people are out of work and not because they want to be sitting at home (or wherever they end up sitting) Admit that a lot of good people want to do something about it (and don’t count on the good people being the politicians) but there’s a natural process of anger and fear and terror and hate and, yes, grumping. We are starting to see through the smoky mirrors and see who’s responsible for this mess and if we can look hard enough some of this responsibility falls on voters who let the promise of the good life through government largesse lure them into just plain stupidity and weak minded wills. If we can unify and galvanize I think we can turn this sad state of affairs around without resorting to what our forefathers had to do to extract themselves from the exact set of circumstances that exists today. I am reading “Flight From Monticello – Thomas Jefferson At War” by Michael Kranish and I am shocked by the similarities. And it takes a lot to shock me these days. Let’s pull together and stop being children on the playground.

        • Karolyn

          Ah, Grumpy, nothing and nobody is ever perfect. The whole world is screwed up. Why not the US? We ARE a part of the world are we not? We ARE all brothers. We ARE all sons of God. My friends and I choose to take the opposite tack and spread positive vibrations out into the world. If more people took up the flag for joy and peace, this would be a better world. The more we “grump” and moan, the worse our lives will be. “As ye think; so shall ye be.” Did you ever hear of the book “Power vs. Force” by David R. Hawkins, MD, Ph.D? It is about kinesiology and how much stronger power actually is over force. Excellent inspirational book.

          • grumpy

            Ok, I’ll try it when I’m I’ve been reduced to mere chattel by the powers that be.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Karolyn: have you ever considered that they’re right and you’re wrong ? No, the rest of the worlds crazy and you’re the only one sane.

        • Karolyn

          Yes, considered and rejected.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            better re-consider.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Poor Denniso; he’s one of those misguided fools who doesn’t know which side he’s on. Another product of our twisted public educational system.

      • Karolyn

        There should be no “sides.” We are all in this together, even those that you hate and mistrust.

        • Kate8

          Karolyn, I’m sorry, but this flowery liberalspeak really bugs me.
          It sounds so noble and all, but has no practical application.

          When we are in a struggle for a way of life, how does one ‘side’ with those to whom we are diametrically opposed ideologically? How do we ‘side’ with those who want to force us to do everything their way, or suffer penalty? How do we ‘side’ with those who want to take what we have? Who do we ‘side’ with those who want to indoctrinate our children in things we find abhorrent?

          You make no sense. Perhaps if we were attacked by space aliens we’d be on the same ‘side’, but then, there would be those libs who would consider the aliens justified.

          How nice it would be if we could all simply be Americans, and all desired to uphold American principles. But imposing forces have seen to it that we are a nation hopelessly divided along many different lines, and ne’er the twain shall meet.

          Sad, but true. Flowery rhetoric isn’t going to make it any less true.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – You guys are saying that this government is “doing” this to you. It is not. We have allowed it to happen and hate solves nothing. Do we really know what is in the minds of politicians? I think not. Everything we say is conjecture. I’ve seen it posted here “love the sinner, hate the sin.” The conservative haters here just hate period.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Good Lord, Karolyn…really?

            Yes, we did allow things to go to far in our ignorance that the people elected would do the right thing…but aside from that really…we didn’t do it to ourselves…THEY indeed “did it” to us. Did we want health care mandated to us…? No…THEY did that to us and I’m not goin to continue wasting my time explaining everything else THEY did to you.

            It’s irrefutable. There is enough evidence to show that an Agenda is being followed by the people pursuing a one world corporation (government) and only an educated people have a chance to stop it before all out war breaks out as the average American revolts against what they have been allowed to do for so long.

            I think we do know what’s in the minds of the polititions. How? By going into the voting history, following the money trail and seeing the energy and movement of what they are trying to do. Especially when you can see family members such as the two Bush’s propelling the NWO agenda. Also people from the same secret societies (Skull & Bones, Mason/Illuminati) who are helping to slowly strip our rights and shred the Constitution…who advocate taking our guns away, etc., etc., etc. So yes…we do know what they are up to and only now is the word really getting out about their Agenda. Up until about a year ago I didn’t even know who the Bilderbergs were. I still run into so many people who ask…”The Bilderbergs? Who are they? The Federal Reserve isn’t Federal?”

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          You’re right, there should be only one side, the what’s best for America side. Unfortunately that’s not the reality. There is also the blame America first crowd, which Denniso and unfortunately you, belong to. Your side portrays a pathetic weakness to the eyes of our enemies when we should be showing a united front of National strength and unity. Your side aids and abets the enemy and only makes a bad situation worse.

          • Denniso

            And exactly how do I portray a pathetic weakness to our enemies? Tell me what you mean and be specific.

          • http://naver samurai

            Do you really want us to go down that road, duhniso? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            I don’t expect you to have anything rational to say…I’m waiting for a sane ‘conservative’ to comment. Any out there?

          • http://naver sook young

            Denniso? If you aren’t as they say, then could you tell me what it is you stand for? If you stand for the Constitution, our founding principles, and our way of life, then yes you are strong against our enemies, but if you are the opposite, the side of bigger government, liberalism, free handouts, etc, then you are helping our enemies. The second part makes us weaker and look lazy in the eyes of the enemies we have around this world. Which one are you? Can you answer my questions? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Denniso

            It’s not as simple as you want to believe. ‘Our way of life’? Do you mean the Amish,Christians,Muslim,atheists,Native Americans, valley girls,red necks,hippies,musicians,gang members? There is no one ‘way of life’ here,which is what makes our country interesting. Are you talking about workers in factories or digging ditches,or men in $5,000
            suits driving $40,000 cars?
            The constitution is a ground breaking document for it’s time and fairly unique in history…but, it’s not infallible. If it were, then we wouldn’t have to have had all the ammendments added,would we? As originally written, the founders allowed slavery to exist…women had no vote or right to own property. Men w/o land also were given no vote. Blacks were accorded something like 1/2 the value of white men.

            It was written by smart but flawed men,no women, and they were blinded by the times they lived in. Thus, the need for additions and modifications. The supreme court has the job of determining what is constitutional or not, and it is made up of imperfect people as well.
            Fortunately,we are becoming slightly more enlightened and we now have 3 women on the court,after 200 yrs. Liberal,smart,educated women. We are moving foward ever so slowly from the darker ages of the past.

          • http://naver sook young

            But if you add onto the document, you twist and warp the meaning of the document do you not? I’m a modern day woman also, originally from Korea, but the ways of liberalism and feminism of today are not a constuctive way to help America. I say we should get rid of all these radical ideals and get back to our founding principles. These are what has made America a great nation, isn’t it? If you believe differently than I do, that’s fine. I don’t believe in the things that many liberal women believe in like NOW, NARAL, Planned Parenthood, etc. Many of them are doing things against what I believe and against God’s will. I hope you understand my point. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Denniso

            Without Feminism paving the way, Sara Palin would not be a political force. She would be consigned to staying at home whether she liked it or not. All of the Repub women in politics owe their careers to liberal women fighting for the right for all women to chose their own path in live,not to only be dictated to by men.

            If the constitution had not been ammended we would still allow slavery and women would not be able to vote or hold office. The very ammendments we have that go back over 100 yrs show that the original constitution was flawed. It is not a divine document…it was written by humans who lived flawed lives,like owning slaves.

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Karolyn, this is not a hippie commune we’re living in. Earlier you said: “Violence is never the right answer to an argument. It’s not worth it. I’m a pacifist, always have been and always will be. Peace!”

          Regarding such thought-terminating, straw-man verbiage: I agree on technical points and principle. Violence is NOT the answer to an argument (which isn’t the point, but let’s run with it anyway). Unfortunately the reverse is also true: Argument is not the answer to violence.

          In my experience, those who threaten violence are not trying to win an argument, they are signalling that the discussion’s over, there are no arguments on the table. What is on the table is a declaration.

          Violence, or threat of, demands at least one of three things: your obedience; your wealth; or your life. You don’t get the option to “answer” with an argument because this is, ipso facto, not a discussion.

          In the end, in addition to protecting our liberties, threat of force (violence) is behind every real threat to liberty and peace, whether it be “legal” or extra-legal.

          How do you “legally” end up at the point of a gun? Let us count a few of the ways a non-violent pacifist can accomplish this:

          -Refuse to file tax forms or to answer a census,
          -Protest in a public square,
          -Refuse conscription,
          -Refuse jury duty,
          -Grow forbidden herbs or crops,
          -Distill his/her own beverages,
          -Carry the wrong size or type of pocketknife,
          -Use a proscribed medical device or medicine,
          -Keep his/her kids out of the school system,
          -Shun vaccinations for his/her family,
          -Sell raw milk or natural cures for franchised health problems,
          -Make and use his/her own automobile fuel,
          -Participate in free barter or non-approved local monetary exchange,
          -Trap wild animals on his/her property,
          -Build or alter his/her own house without permits,
          -Employ a rain catchment system for his/her house,
          -Hitchhike on a public road,
          -Wear inappropriate attire on the wrong beach–even on one’s own land,
          -Drink beer or use an e-cigarette in a public place,
          -Sleep overnight in a “public” park or under a bridge,
          -Yes, even be so bold as to “argue” with a law enforcement officer…

          All of these and many more peaceable acts of commission or ommission, depending on where you are and who’s watching, can literally put you in the crosshairs of state-sponsored violence. Which is one trigger pull away from becoming a more accomplished pacifist than you ever hoped to be.

          So, no, violence is never the right answer to an argument, but when it comes down to it, it may well be the only answer to violence.

          • Kate8

            AJP – Excellent post!

          • Karolyn

            Joe Pat – I liked your post and support your main theme. Believe me, I am not for more laws. (I s till won’t wear a seatbelt unless I see a cop.) As far as my pacifist comment goes, it was written in answer to those here who want to start an armed revolution.

          • Denniso

            For most Americans and most here,Jesus was apparently a pacifist and most likely a liberal pacifist and would be called a hippie today.

            If Christians don’t want to follow their obviously liberal leader who they claim talks to them, then they should be honest about it and denounce him.

            The list of ‘actions’ above is interesting, debatable and overly simplistic. If there were time it could be fun to go through each. Alas, so little time.

            Karolyn, you really should wear a seatbelt for your and your children’s good, not because the insurance industry forced it upon us.
            Study the physical forces involved in higher speed crashes or talk to people who’ve survived going through a windshield and had their faces scarred for life.
            I abhor the fact that the gov’t allowed the insurance industry to make law for their monetary interest,but not wearing a seatbelt is not smart, and you are influencing younger people in your family to do the same.
            We can’t afford to lose the few sane and balanced people like you in the country.

          • libertytrain

            Funny – Karolyn pride over her refusal to wear a seatbelt – do as I say not as I do leftist logic.

  • Robert

    I have said for 20 years that we have lost our fredom and people have laughed at me, but I did not care because I knew the truth and lived inspite of their dictatorship. talk shows are saying we are losing our freedom, they do not know we alread have, or are trying to look like they are the ones to follow for the truth. I was taught that if it walks like a duck acts like a duck that it is a duck. I learned a lot from atlas shrugged, dale carnieges how to win freinds and influence people. you have to be a realist and accept truth and reality. so you people who did not listen to goldwater, in 64 are going to and have suffered and now realize he told the truth. all who did not stand up for the constitution are now feeling the pain for allowing the death of the constitution and the country.

  • grumpy

    You are right on the money.

  • Patriot

    What we are losing site of, is that our politicians want us to argue amongst ourselves about workers, unions, class warfare etc. It keeps us less focused on them, government and these lifetime politicians are the only problem we have, diminish their power and we gain our freedom and liberty back. We need to band together like never before and demand principled people with character! Not characters without principles! When these folks deceive the public trust for their own selfish interests they need to pay the price with prison or worse!

    • Raggs

      You said it!!!!

      Now we need to convince the other 98% of the population…

      The bad thing is that most of the 98% is on the government dole or too stupid to see the truth… The government always plays upon the people that do not have a clue… they alwats throw out a promise of “change”

  • BOOKER T

    GOLDWATER WAS JUST ANOTHER SHILL FOR THE N.W.O.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      yes and your name sake was just a shill for Big Peanut Corporation

  • M.

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    • goldenrod_on_myboots

      Hate to see your comment removed. I like them offensive or defensive.

      • libertytrain

        On this site – truly offensive gets removed – but I’m sure you’ll find other sites out there that have no class and will keep all comments no matter what.

  • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

    Yesterday I read the words of a Democrat insider, and this is what he said: “We were so caught up in Bush-hatred that we allowed the extreme leftists to hijack our party. It was a disaster, a public relations train wreck. We may never recover.” Now, reading some of these posts, I wonder if maybe the penduluum might just swing too far the other way. Will conservatives get so caught up in Obama-hatred that they will allow the extreme right-wing to hijack the party? I like to believe that conservatives are wiser and more level-headed than that, but you never know. Power messes with people’s heads.

    • Raggs

      Prehaps you are tagging ( like the demo’s ) more on that later.
      So prehaps you are tagging maybe let’s say the “TEA PARTY” or maybe just an ordinary joe an extermist?… Or maybe your idea of a utopia government is not being found liked by some?…

      AHHHHH… you poor thing… In other words you “HOPE” the so-called extermist prove themselves through a violent act?.. so you can call youself innocent and non-bias… Well let me tell you something little miss-prissy-pants…. As a matter of fact it is in history that the exterme left / zombie / herion addicts / are the most probabimatic to cause violenece… Do you think that a levelheaded christian will produce such an act?… Never mind I’m sure that is exactly what you are “HOPING” for…

      • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

        I’m not talking about the Tea Party Movement, which is a legitemate and much-needed response to big government intrusion and taxation without representation. I’m talking about the REAL extremists, and you know who you are. They’re the guys who collect Ragnar Benson books, believe everything Alex Jones tells them without even a tiny grain of salt, and believe that all homosexuals should be imprisoned because their interpretation of the Bible says so. Give guys like that a little bit of power, and they can wreak some serious havoc.

  • http://com i41

    Dale, you were right on about the “green energy”. The transCanada pipelne passing throught the Williston-Bakken oil feild has been stopped by the onumnutts and his envior lap bi–hed in Congress.The democrat Government Motors just got caught fudging on facts on the 42,000 dollar electric car. I cann’t beleive a dumbocrat and their union bu– buddies would not tell the truth. The pipeliner art Baker Mt. was supposed to put in another pipeline going to the gulf with USA oil to sell and help get us out of debt. So is a the puke brained democrats still trying to lie about caring for USA’s survival and keep on promoting nut job theories of free green power. That only comes when cattle are turned out on washy green grass in the early spring, and don’t stand behind a bovine if the cough.

    • goldenrod_on_myboots

      I have been told that the green gusher of spring cow dung is the only shower you fellas get to bathe in some dry years. Could it be?

  • Harry Buttle

    When people here talk about the Constitution they describe not the Constitution, but the Articles of Confederation. The Articles of Confederation was quickly abandoned because the central government was too weak, did not have sufficient authority over the states and did have the power to tax or regulate commerce, the very things to which you object. Although there were some, such as Patrick Henry and George Mason, who argued as you do, their opinion did not carry the day. Expecting to be able to govern a 21st Century superpower with a form of government that was inadequate for an 18th Century agrarian society is completely unrealistic. What you advocate is not a republic, but a confederation, which is why I say the American Right is no longer conservative or even reactionary, but neo-confederate.

    • Raggs

      OH… I have to jump on this one…

      So what you want is a total government… A one world government, a one world currency, a “religion” of islam or none, micro-chip every living being, you want to give all funds directly to the government including but not limited to your pay check, ( reminder they own the stock market )… you want to take my guns… you want to take nmy house… you want to take my daughter… you want my dog… you want my truck… you want to tell me what to eat…

      If this is true I want to shoot you!

      • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

        Okay, Raggs, now you’re just slipping into the realm of paranoia (that Alex Jones crap again!). As long as we have the Second Amendment, the rest of our rights are protected. If it were not for the Second Amendment, we would have gone the way of Cuba a long time ago.

      • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

        And by the way, Raggs, ain’t nobody gonna take your funky old dog, since new doggies are so easy to come by.

    • Anthony

      HARRY -

      The States are to be considered Sovereign – this is for a reason. And, that reason is.. all politics is local and should always remain that way. The Forefathers rewrote the articles for good reason. They found that power in the hands of the few would only tear apart all they had worked for.

      Remember, they ran from the Mercantil-ist nonsense of England, with their corrupt royalty in league with mongrel bankers.

      We just a recent Article here, discussing Ben Franklin’s famous quote – when asked by the Lady outside the 2nd Continental Congress —
      Question – “What have you given us?”
      Answer – “A Republic… if you can keep it”

      Ol’ Ben Franklin wasn’t kidding … and everyone in this Country is to blame for not being more curious, more studious, and certainly more vigilant. We all had a hand in getting the Country to tha stance where it is now.

      Only difference on PersonalLiberty.com… is Bob Livingston is trying to fight back. IT’S WHAT PATRIOTS DO !

  • JeffH

    The Puppet Show-Think about it!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FRQyG1bQqQ

    • Kate8

      JeffH – Ain’t it the truth.

      How is it that the libs can’t see it?

      Only because they don’t want to see it. The delusion must be preserved, at all cost.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, they just live in a vortex with no way to go except down.

  • Anthony

    A really good Article, Bob. I can see some very personal attitudes within. You are not alone, my friend. Many of us are watching events of the opposite to what should be happening. If the righteous were occurring right now – JOBS would be sprouting all over America, as we speak.

    One person wrote that 1920′s Italy is where Fascism got its start – this is wrong. Neitzschie-ism… is Fascism… is Nazism. And, Karl Marx is its evil twin pushing redistribution of all wealth – except for those in charge, that is. Go back and read when Karl Marx and Neitzschie wrote their books … that’ll tell you when such things came to roost. It actually started well before that – it’s just that these two mongrels finally put it all down in print.

    For those that like to “bait” the rest.. with their blind patriotism, for the status quo – most likely pretended and not done very well, either – I ask.. Have you read Karl Marx? What about Neitzschie? Have you read the Federalist Papers? What about Thomas Paine’s COMMON SENSE? Have you read Hamilton’s Curse?? What about ATLAS SHRUGGED ??? Have you been to Wallbuilders.com … read the laymens version of our Constitution…?

    Cuz, I gotta tell ya… your comments smack of ignorance to the reasons our fore-fathers gave their lives for your predecessors. Even the ones who came over in the early 1900′s… to Staten Island.

    I still question how many here on any side… have ever bothered to write, email or call their Congressional Reps… You might find someone blowin’ smoke up your backsides.

  • JeffH

    Why liberals are lawyers’ puppets
    When President Obama and his liberal Democratic allies squeal at the Supreme Court decision allowing corporations to exercise freedom of political speech, somebody should ask them why they aren’t as horrified by the enormous campaign expenditures by the one industry that treats liberal politicians like chattel servants.

    The industry in question is the bar of big-money plaintiffs’ lawyers. A study called “Trial Lawyers Inc.,” released Feb. 9 by the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, tells the tale.

    For years, during every election cycle, lawyers as a whole have donated more money than any other industry to federal and state political campaigns. This largesse included $780 million for federal and $725 million for state elections in the past decade alone. The bulk of that cash comes from plaintiffs’ attorneys. Each cycle, 90 percent or more of that jackpot-justice cash goes to Democrats. Plaintiffs’ firms are four of the top seven donors to the campaigns of embattled Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, also is deeply in political debt to these lawyer groups.

    Unless and until congressional liberals stop kissing up to these lawyers, Democrats have no moral authority to complain about any other purported “special-interest” money paying for political messages.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/16/why-liberals-are-lawyers-puppets/

    • Anthony

      The Democrat Party just happens to be the 1st American Political Party to actually sell out to the Communists from abroad. They just don’t happen to use the labels on themselves.

      Remember – it’s always about the money!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Anthony: your post reminds me of a couple of occurances I encountered in the past. During the Gore – Bush election I stopped at our local Demo-rat office to pick up some campaign pins for my collection; friend and foe. I told the lady there that I’d heard on the radio that morning that the American Communist Party had endorced Gore. She said “Oh Good, He needs all the help he can get.”
        The other occasion was after Clinton sold about 50 yrs. of America’s defense and nuclear secrets to the Red Chinese. I had put an “Impeach Bill Clinton” bumber sticker on my car. A lady passing by asked me why I’d put that on my car and after I explained to her about the tech info going to China her retort was, “Well, did you ever stop to think that maybe they needed it ? ” This was a massive transfer of missle guidence technology to our greatest potential enemy! Liberalism is truly a form of insanity.

      • JeffH

        Yes Anthony, the bottom line will always be the money.

        • BrotherPatriot

          So very unfortunately true…money…& the people who control it. >.<

          *cough* Rothschilds/Illuminati <— ROOT of Evil. *cough*

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Once again. Argue over words and put the same people back in power? What is it here? Put some honest people on the hill. Call ‘em statesment or politicians, whatever. Let’s do the RIGHT THING.

  • http://com i41

    Grumpy, give everyone a lottery number and have a drawing. Also have every state do it, for their representives. Real people in real life, who have done something in life besides being a lawyer leech on society and have actually produced something, besides paperwork. Also they have to be taxpayers, not welfare rats or illegals and dead people. We would get across section all of the state’s population after a few years. No problem with out state influence and foreign influence money.

  • mickey

    Well, it took me awhile to read through all these comments. I do have to say we have many countries to choose from to see what is in store for us. Look at what happened to Argentina (youtube). Very good and where we are heading. People received unemployment that didn’t need it and are now accustomed to being at home with all that free time–and being fed. The government is just now awakening to the fact that people are already bartering–it’s called a rummage sale. People are exchanging their assets without money.

    I cannot lay all the blame on the government. We all are guilty of demanding well and far beyond what the original issue was. Civil Rights and Women’s Liberation are examples. Yes, there was an inequality that needed fixed–60 years ago but the now is it calling in the NAACP (which white people are not allowed to spell out) and women in workforces that don’t want to educate or work for diversity in their job applications–all these Industries, I can’t label them any other way (and they aren’t limited to just these two) now have huge government funding, use threats, etc, for issues that would not exist if the “poor me” clause weren’t imposed.

    A result? We have all the “entitlement” attitude that they and we have endorsed. Someone needs to say “stop and let me off the merry go round.” Now, locally, I do hear from blacks that say just that. They want to move forward because non-assimilation didn’t work for the bigger money.

    We had facts represented that we would over populate the world if we had too many babies. Whites got on board, stopped having 6 or more children, having as many as they could afford to educate, etc. Then blacks got on board. Now we have the “entitled mentality” of both whites and blacks on welfare (had to have equal opportunity for whites) and OTOH successful middle class mixed colors (not races because there are too many ancestors to belong to any pure ethnic group.

    Today, we have so called hispanics (and others) that throw into our faces that we acted responsibly and threaten to over populate the US which overwhelms any balance there was between entitled and workers. No politician wants to attack the non responsibility of other countries to manage over population.

    The environmentalist chime in with there view; however, it is doubtful these people live where the food is actually produced (or energy). For one, I live in the midwest and we are losing mice. I never thought I would miss them but the roundup ready crops (3rd generation) is making them sterile. And these great environmentalists don’t worry about the chem companies spreading these products on their food.

    It gets worse, the environmentalist worry about a fish (CA) but not about irrigating with proably tainted water. Our corporations are buying up all the fresh water (see Blue Water, Netflix) and these people still are stuck on the fish.

    In the meantime, real seeds are being bought up so we cannot grow food in our backyard by saving seeds from year to year (and neither can other countries). I cannot plant corn in my backyard the year the big farmers plant corn because my corn is not roundup ready and won’t germinate after the fields are treated. Watch any new mortgage and see if it doesn’t restrict your water rights and the right to grow your own food.

    The point is, we are in danger from being able to feed ourselves, much less Mexico’s poor “drug farmers” as Calderon states against legaliziing drugs in the US.

    OTOH, we do have organizations that are organized to save us all, the problem is they have gone awry. We the people can fight back but we are going to need all of us. We can stop buying, which won’t pay down the national debt, but we aren’t doing that now. We can stop using “commerce” products. The government cannot force us to buy a product–yet.

    The biggest asset we have is the vote. Watch your locals, and everyone is exploiting the Tea Party, bums alike. Vote on the records. Ron Paul is a good politician and has been for more than one term.

    And learn another language. We are in a global market environment. Get over old industries are leaving. Depend on the ingenuity of what has made us great and move on. The unions had as much blame as corporations for sending jobs out of the country. Old people teach the young, stop depending on the educational system. My kids learned to read, fluently at age 1, 4, and 5. We will always need ditch diggers, trash collectors, electricians, plumbers, etc. College just isn’t for everyone–only for those that are going to work for the said hated corportions.

    I can’t believe I’m going to say this because since the 80′s I’ve known we were going to international business, but buy locally and prepare for the future. If you want a balanced budget, start at home. Don’t buy junk food. If you need something, buy it at a rummage sale–give the money back to the person that already paid the tax for it. There are just thousands of ways of legally cheating the government of your money. Work at the break even point of tax revenue. Who needs $150k when net is only $80K? Can’t afford an expensive house and its upkeep? Rent.

    I usually split my national vote. This year I will hold my nose and vote straight ticket. I think obama destroyed the democratic party, along with Pelosi and Reid, et al. After that, I look to see two parties, the Tea Party (or Libertarian)and the Republican Party.

    Yep, pretty much going back to the 50′s but that is probably what it is going to take. If I can’t pay for it, I don’t have it. I don’t buy all the drugs that can kill you–for made up diseases? But you know, over these last two years I’ve really gotten to know a lot of people that know how to do a lot of things. Most are not formally educated but they see the writing on the wall. lol most are more prepared for living off the land than all the educated ones.

    • goldenrod_on_myboots

      Sterile mice. Impossible.

    • Bud Parker

      Well now, Mickey. I think I kinda like you. Even if I don’t necessarily agree with everything you said, you make sense. Don’t be a stranger on the blogs…

  • PrayForAmerica

    We as a human species has had more than our share of wars, suffering, and government oppression. These things do not improve “the quality of life”. This is 2010 the 21st century. The governments of this country and the world would be better served if they focus on “improving the lifes of the people”. We need to get more smarter people, with good moral character help run this country.
    The political parasites that are presently trying to suck our freedoms, and drain our economy, must be voted out of office!

    • Bud Parker

      PrayForAmerica,

      It isn’t so simple as casting a vote. The people in control are not politicians. They buy and sell politicians. There are people in this world that need to be identified, tried, convicted and executed for what they do to people all over the world. Wicked people with tremendous wealth. Of course, it has always been this way since the Dark Ages.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    S.C.:

    My neighbor went to school with Jesse Jackson in North Carolina. She is black and a retired school teacher. She said Jesse Jackson’s only interest is placing himself before a camera and self promotion. She also has a low opinion of Al Sharpton and she is a Democrat.

    Bruce D: Thank you for your comment.

    Claire: My book will be available on Amazon.com and Pearn and Associates, Inc. around the middle of November. The Title is “It Started and Ended”. I don’t have any idea how it will sell but the editor, William Ryan, who is also a well known author and editor thinks it will be a winner.

    • Claire

      Bud G — I will be on the lookout for your book. As I said, I will purchase a copy. Best of luck!! With good advertising, you should do well. Do you have plans to send review copies?

  • Bud Parker

    All opinion articles have nuggets of truth. It is incumbent upon us to separate the “Wheat from the Chaff.” If anyone posting comments here thinks we Americans do not have a serious problem it must be that you are a politician or corporate mogul. We basically have a Two-Party system where candidates are vetted by the perpetrators of our malaise. Democrat or Republican. Black or White. Salt or Pepper. Same problem in a different wrapper.

    We do have a fiat economy and a fiat money. The dollar is quickly declining. Prices are going up at an alarming rate. Gold is requiring more paper money to obtain. The only real, true question is, “Who prospers in this fiat system?” We The People, or Them The Moguls? The basic premise of this article is completely valid even if you can nit-pick it on minor issues. Hell, look at the United States Code regarding Foreigners Entering the USA. Our own Federal Government refuses absolutely to enforce the rule of law. The Feds fight our Sovereign States that attempt to enforce the law.

    Someone commented about the invalidity of our 2nd Amendment rights as being able to withstand an onslaught by the Government’s Military might. To that I say the military in this nation are not puppets that will simply annihilate the citizens of America because some political hack says to do so. This I know after spending a career in the Army. Ain’t gonna happen. P.S. Soldiers are citizens, too. Even if they don’t get to vote this time.

    • JeffH

      Bud Parker, I live in Fresno clse to the Air National Guard and the Army National Guard. I run into soldiers any time I’m out and to a tee, if the subject comes up, they have said exactly what you said.
      Most of them are very aware that this country is under siege from within. “all enemies, foreign and domestic”

    • goldenrod_on_myboots

      I have a great fear of the military turning on the civilians. The 87 or 101 airborn was sent into MS during the 1960′s was it not. Following orders is hard to uninstill. I have not been in the military so I do not speak from experience, just fear. As you know, a semi-auto fire arm, rifle, pistol, shootgun is not enough for a counter against what the military has for us. So, why does the government worry?

      • Bud Parker

        I wish I could allay your fears. We live in a most trying time. Fixing not just America, but the corporate mentality of the world will not be easy. It will not be pleasant, either. People like us must simply stand together and stop allowing this lunacy. Fear will keep us in our place and prevent our needed action. I do not advocate violent Revolution. But we must simply flush this toilet we have inherited.

        There are many, many people that will come on line and say there is nothing we can do. Do not buy that defeatist attitude.

  • DumbInvestor

    @Karolyn in the first third of the comment section
    You mention that violence is not the answer – you are a pacifist, always and forever.
    now, I sincerely hope the following never happens to you – I would not wish it on anyone.
    What would your response be if someone was trying to rape you, your daughter, mother, sister or niece? Personally, I would do everything in my power to kill that individual. And I am not a violent person. BUT I will do whatever is necessary to defend me and mine.

    • JC

      I agree with you. I am not an advocate of violence either. BUT! I have several women in my house and in reality the only peace that ever existed, did so with the threat of great and violent retribution against anyone who would violate that peace.
      If anyone violates the peace that is my home they will be killed for it. Simple.
      Peace through superior firepower…is real.

  • jerry b b

    I have read all of these and some of them make sense and some don’t. dumb investor answered karalyn about as good as i could . Would you resist or just lay down and say here it is or as i would try to do kill them any way i could.That smart ass that was complaining about the animals that were being eliminated is dumb. this has been going on for millions of years some of them make and some don’t. that is called nature at work. If these people don’t want to watch it happening then they can just sit in front of their big color tv set and watch walt disney cartoons.(make belive) As for the fix that this country is in most of the blame can be put on the people themselves.they have reared their children with out teaching them to respect any thing and will let them do about any thing they want to do as long as they don’t bother them.You can’t have much of any thing if you don’t have good morals,honesty and respect for your fellow man. I used to be able to leave my house go to town or what ever and not worry about things being stolen. Now every time i turn around and look for something it is gone. this mostly kin folks or people that i know comeing around.When the law catches some one stealing most of the time they are given probation.Then they have to steal to pay the probation officer. This is to me revolving door justice and doesn’t help the victumonly the justice system or if you want to file acival case these damn lawyers,there is going to take a lot changes made in the government and in the attitude and in the teaching of the people. The for the most part most of the people and i mean all of the people think it is only wrong if you get caught and then a lot of them will say ole so and so done it still not taking responability for what they have done, you can’t have much until this changes.

  • Bud Parker

    Many problems associated with this once great nation can be traced back to completely Unconstitutional laws and actions perpetrated against us by our own elected officials. We slept during the tiny ones, and never woke up when the really bad ones were inflicted on us. The worst of all was the Federal Reserve.

    Why would a person spend $100M Of their own money to sit in Congress for $174,000 a year? Why are all Congressmen and Senators ultimately quite wealthy after some years in Congress? Why are there no term limits? Why aren’t Members convicted and imprisoned for their unlawful activities?

    • Kate8

      Bud, I’ve asked that question many times. How do people go to DC and quickly become multi-millionaires on a government salary?

      Not rocket science here. They are running a whorehouse within those hallowed halls.

  • TOCB

    I am very liberal on social issues but I am a fiscal conservative. I support universal single payer healthcare. I think the healthcare bill passed by congress earlier this year is a farce. It is does little to nothing to address the high cost of medicare care and it mandates that everyone has to purchase insurance from private insurance companies whose only objective, understabndably, is to make a profit. Heathcare is one of those soceital necessities that should not involve profits. I am very much concerned about our financial system and I believe it is a sham and a scam designed to protect and promote the wealthy, and I believe it is destroying this country. Although I don’t agree with everything Dr. Paul believes about government involvement, I believe he is honest and that people who beleive in common good policies could work with people like him. Btw, I also believe that although President Obama is a politician, he is more concerned about the common man than most politicians and that is why the king makers are currently at odds with him. They put him in office and now he is promoting policies that goes against their interest. To a degree he still plays their game though.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Claire:

    I will have the press release within the next ten days and it will be sent to a few newspapers. My emphasis will be with libraries, The American Legion and Veterans Administration because the subject deals with military and civilian families and the parallels that exist. It is a biography of my life in the military and civilian life, observations of the customs and traditions of other countries and the stark realities of war. I broke down a few times while writing it but it seemed to release pent up feelings from my time in Viet Nam that I did not realize were there.

    I had a very unique military career but the most rewarding thing was working at the Veteran’s Administration Hospital in Tampa, Florida where many of the severely wounded soldiers received care. The great attitude of those soldiers makes one proud to be an American.

    • eddie47d

      Rick: What a lazy convoluted answer.

      • JeffH

        Hey dummie, at least get it under the right name…nitwit!

        • http://naver samurai

          Well JeffH., we know that edduh doesn’t really pay attention too much to details. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Claire

      Bud G — Let me ask you this–especially since I have not read your book yet–what about military police? Especially the training aspect. Another thing-you can sometimes purchase mailing lists from journals. You could have a flyer printed up and mail it to various people that are in charge of various departments. Will you have it available as an ebook?
      At my office, we have mailing lists, ebooks and the books are all on Amazon and Google as well as our own website. We send review copies to applicable journals, as well as advertise in journals. We also send desk copies to professors that adopt our books for classes. The publisher I work for excels in Criminal Justice and the Police Sciences plus we have Behavioral Sciences–Psychiatry and Psychology, Education and Special Education, Learning Disabled, the Blind, etc.
      I will know more once I read your book. Good luck!!

  • Rick

    You are right on target with your Nazi comparison. I first observed this phenomenan when Obama started giving campaign speeches with people passing out before and during the event. This was a favorite
    tactic of Adolph Hitler during his rise to power. He would not begin
    a speech until a dozen or so people had passed out. The parallel is
    really scary. It all goes back to the “BOILING FROG” analogy, with the
    American people being the frog. WAKE UP AMERICA!

    • Denniso

      You can’t be that easily duped…by your judgement then, the Beatles were the master of all Fascists w/ young girls fainting before and during their concerts? Come on guy, think a little before you leap to absurd conclusions.

      • JC

        How unbelievably twisted you really are. Obviously the left is getting desperate enough to come up with crap like that….yes we can yes we can, zeig heil zeig heil….

        • Karolyn

          Denniso’s response was perfectly justified. What the hell does fainting have to do with anything. We’d better check all politicians to see if there have been fainting episodes when they have spoken!

          • JeffH

            K, you forgot to click your boot heals when you saluted der fuhrer.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn, Karolyn. The only politicians who’ve ever evoked such worship from the masses have been dangerous.

            No politician is worthy of such idolizing. It is intentionally stirred up in people through emotional appeals, both overt and unconscious. Someone with a true plan for the betterment of the People does not need to resort to these tactics. It is meant only to deceive.

            Satan often disguises himself as an angel of light.

          • Denniso

            Don’t be ridiculous…Obama never orchestrated events to intentionally get people to faint. Large crowds and warm temps caused a few to faint,unsurprisingly, as happens at all such events to some degree.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I think you know that I don’t believe in Satan. Fainting and swooning over somebody are two different things. It’s ridiculous to say that people swoon over the President. Give me a break. It’s the heat!!

          • JeffH

            A blind man can’t see anything but man wearing bliders only see what they want. There is a big bad world out there, take the blinders off and see it for what it is, not what you want it to be.

            Call it the Barack Obama traveling salvation show – campaign rallies and speeches that seem like the secular counterpart of tent-meeting revivals and evangelistic sermons common in the U.S. a century ago.

            Obama on several occasions breaking off his speeches to address someone who has collapsed, usually close to the stage, and to call for medical personnel while he offers bottled water to the overcome supporter.

            The similarity between the events and the emotive opportunity it offers the candidate has some on the web questioning whether the campaign is employing shills or whether the phenomenon is evidence of fanaticism and cause for concern.

            Fired Up and Falling Down: String of Crowd Fainting Incidents Hits Obama Rallies
            http://www.breitbart.tv/fired-up-and-falling-down-string-of-crowd-fainting-incidents-hits-obama-rallies/

          • Denniso

            ‘Some on the web’?? Fools and liars, that’s all.

  • http://NONE AKBER KASSAM

    I Strongly believe that Republican party are only for rich Americans, not for middle class or minority people.

    I am supporting Democratic party and strong supporter of our president Barack Hussein Obama, he is doing a fine job in all the areas, President Obama is a man of candor and humor and directness, who’s comfortable with responsibility and know how to lead our great nation and the free world.

    True strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.

    May God Bless America.

    Akber Kassam,
    New-Yorker.

    • http://naver sook young

      Are you ill and in need of medical attention? Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai
      Vote November 2!

      • Karolyn

        That was totally uncalled for. Why is it when someone posts sincere opposing views, they are treated like imbeciles, when that is certainly not the case. It just points to who the person lacking integrity actually is.

        • http://naver samurai

          I wouldn’t talk too much about that Karolyn. My wife was right. Anyone who thinks that this administration has done good things for this country is smoking some pretty strong stuff. I suggest that you read your post of nothing nut lib rhetoric, no facts, and no sources. My wife has done a good job while I was gone, took up the patriotic cause, and has NOTHING to apollogize for so you can bend over and kiss me where the sun don’t shine. I would say what you really are, but it might get erased! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            Poor patriot Samurai…can’t say what he really wants to because he knows the foul and insulting language he prefers will be censored. Pity…

          • Denniso

            Oh, and it’s indeed a fact that anyone willing to look at will see, the Repub party is the party of the wealthy and corporate class. Their charade of smaller gov’t,fiscal responsibility,strong military,lower taxes, are all designed to benefit the rich and big biz. They do a pretty good job of pretending that they care about regular people, when every policy position goes directly against the people.

          • http://naver samurai

            Denniso, so not good to have you back. Don’t forget the rich libs of the Kennedys, Rockefellers, Clintons, Gores, Bill Gates, George Soros, etc. Don’t they count? How do you figure that the libs are for the average American? Are you talking about the ones that work everyday to earn what they have or the lib ones who believe in getting handouts, which are unconstitutional? Are you talking about the ones who want this country back to the ways of our Christian founding fathers or the ones who wish to destroy this country? You know, the ones who are doing their best to destroy this country from the inside by turning this country away from its founding principles, God, morals, values, traditions and steering it to utter ruin with this “if it feels good, do it” mentality. The libs have always been for bigger government and not less. Remember, it was the dems/libs that were behind such unconstitutional programs like welfare, federal reserve, medicare, medicaid, etc. Did you know that many of FDR’s ideas were actually taken from Hitler and the Nazis? FDR Thought that if Hitler could do it, so could he. How can you say that the party of libs, gay lovers, baby killers, and marxists the party of America and the average American? Are you sure you haven’t been drinking your fill of kool aid on a daily basis? Get your facts straight before you post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            Thanks for the welcome back…first, your type of God is a myth planted into your head. If you claim to be a Christian than you need to follow Jesus…the golden rule,turn the other cheek,give away your wealth to the poor,live love and peace,fight against hate and fear.

          • http://naver samurai

            Do that everyday duhniso! I do this everyday, but I’ll admit it is hard with you libs at times. Just think Duhniso, starting next month the lib, gay loving, baby killer, marxists will be getting the boot. There’s a new dawn coming for this country. The dawning of a new America. One that will get back to the ways of our founding fathers and not the ways of liberalism. That means that people like you have a little amount of time left before being kicked out. We’re winning and you won’t be able to change that outcome. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            You spread hate,fear and violence. Me, I’m not going anywhere. And, when your loons don’t gain control of congress,you’re going to be a bit depressed. Obama will be prez for 6 more yrs,get used to it,fake samurai.

          • http://naver samurai

            Ah yes, duhniso. Always the one with a quick comeback. No problem with that as they tend to be nothing but unsupported lib rhetoric. I like it that you are willing to show some belief in your leaders, but saying that Obama bin Laden will be there another 6 years is totally ignorant of you to say. How is this possible when many of the dmes that supported him have now turned against him? How is this possible when he approval ratings are in the dumps? Do you think he scores points with WE THE PEOPLE for forcing Osamacare down our throats? Remember, more than 60% of the people didn’t want it. I think that next year it’ll be overturned. The 20 states that have petitioned the federal court to stop it have by told by a federal judge they can continue the judcial process. It was ruled that it had issues dealing with the Constitution and is a gross violation of The Commerce Act. The Commerce Act states that the government cannot require the people to buy something, nor can it force a product on the people, nor can it represent a product in such a way as to have the people buy it. If this is more suttle to you, fine. See, no bad words or anything. If you can answer my questions, I would really appreciate it. Please, no lib rhetoric and just stick with facts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            Obama’s polls are where Reagan’s and Shrub’s were at the same time…they were reelected, right?

            I’ve said before, I’m adamantly opposed to mandates to buy insurance from corporations who pay their ceo’s millions of $$/yr. It was a dumb move by the Dems,but many Repubs also were in favor of mandates. I watched Charles Grassley on Meet the Press say that it was just like buying car ins. I sent dozens of emails to senators and media suggesting they really study what they were proposing w/ mandates. I thought it was unconstitutional and stupid politically. Sad to say, I’m right. The courts will probably rule against mandates and something else will have to replace it for the healthcare plan to float.

            When people are asked about individual aspects of the healthcare bill,like prohibiting caps and preexisting conditions and kids on parents policies until age 27,large majorities are in favor.

            The current system is unsustainable, patently unfair and way too expensive. It hobbles American biz in competition w/ foreign co’s and is bankrupting the country and individuals.

            I’m glad you were civil in your comment.

          • http://naver samurai

            Denniso, I have read your post and have found it intersting and wish to reply in a civil tone. It seems that some of the things that you posted I also agree with. Such as:

            1. Forcing people to buy insurance is wrong. Couldn’t the same thing be said about Obama bin Laden care? It was ruled on, by the federal court, to be unconstitutional in ceratin areas and also a violation of the Commerce Act. You know the one that says that the government cannot force the people to buy a product. Obama bin Laden Care falls under this. You can also remind your representatives and senators about that too. They’ll probably have a shocked and confused look on their faces.

            2. Writing your representatives is always a good idea, but of course we know that they only listen when they have to and not when they are supposed to (Which is supposed to be 100% of the time.). Mine aren’t too much different. They only listen to me more because of my military awards and try to sound good to me. Yes, I have a silver star, brone star, and 2 purple hearts from duty in Iraq. My wife was very relieved when I retired.

            3. Preexisting conditions. I understand what you say about them, but they could also be bad. If a person has an unknown condition and has to be treated after filling out the policy, then the insurance company should pay, but only if the person didn’t know or did tell the company before applying. We both know that there are some people who have a preexisting condition and just doesn’t tell the company. So they get a policy, then suddenly they go to the hospital for treatment. Many of them also don’t pat what they owe the insurance company or the hospital. This makes them lose money and ergo they raise rates to make up for their losses. These things I think have made rates go up a lot.

            4. Greed. Yes this has probably lead to higher costs also.When the insurance industry was regulated, prices weren’t nearly as high as they are now. I think that Congress needs to enact legislation to make the insurance companies more accountable for what they do.

            5. Keep your kids on your policy till they turn 27? I don’t agree with that. I currently have 2 of my kids on my policy because they are in college. I told them that when the graduauet that they find a job and their own insurance. They know our founding principles of self reliance and personal responsibility, which means they have to rely on themselves for these things and not the government.

            6. Is insurance expensive? Oh yeah! I have a friend who works for State Farm and we came up with a good deal for my 2 kids to continue on my policy. Sure my premiums went up just a little, but not too much. If you get a really good agent that will work with you, you can only imagine the possibilities.

            7. Bankrupting America and Americans. Yes, it is leading us down that road to economic destruction. Due to the causes we have discussed, many Americans are certainlt feeling the pinch by now. Also, if Obama bin Laden care starts up next year, how much more will these people have to pay for coverage and get less from it?

            I hope these have answered any questions you may have had Denniso. Sorry about being uncivil. I’ll try harder next time, OK?

          • Denniso

            This comment doesn’t sound like you, more like your wife. Nevertheless, the problems w/ the different aspects of our healthcare
            system are why we need something better. Costs have been soaring for decades and 50 million people uninsured…many millions bankrupted by exorbitant med costs. Those who don’t have insurance wind up costing everybody more money when they don’t get regular med attention and end up in the most expensive part of our sustem, emergency rooms.

            Would Jesus favor ignoring the medical health of millions of people and their kids just because the costs have increased so much that they can’t afford to see a doctor? What kind of superpower and Christian country are we when we aren’t willing to extend healthcare to all?

    • Kate8

      AKBER – That has long been the lie spouted by the Left.

      There are far more (and richer) democrats than republicans. Democrats have one agenda, and that is to control every aspect of our lives, and to make government our god. Besides, that is, retaining their position as the ruling elite class.

      Most conservatives, if they are well off, have become that way through hard work, unlike career politicians (democrats), who’ve never done an honest day’s work in their lives. The only way they get ignorant people to vote for them is by claiming to “feel their pain”, and to be “for the little guy”. Nothing is further from the truth. It’s about stirring up class envy. They claim to go after the rich, but THEY ARE THE RICH. Let’s get serious here. They buy votes by promising freebies, but all they ever produce is more government, more intrusive laws, and less freedom.

      When will people stop buying the hype and do some REAL investigation, and I don’t mean on liberal blogsites.

      Somehow we’ve got to break the trance the left has cast on the masses. Are we really that gullible?

      I guess we are.

      • Kate8

        AKBER – Let me just give you a bit of brief history.

        The Republican Party was founded FOR minority blacks, after the Civil War. It WAS the minority party. Democrats were vehemently against the advancement of such minorities.

        It was only when the dems figured out that they could be useful tools in the advancement of their communistic agenda that they hijacked the minorities through pandering to them. It was only for votes.

        Their plan has always been to hold minorities and, in fact, all Americans, down. To keep us ignorant, poor, and struggling. Poor people are more easily controlled. And hand-outs make people so easily kept poor.

        Today, both parties are owned by foreign elite wealth. If you really want a party who’s for the average working-class American, try the Libertarian Party, or the Constitution Party. But don’t delude yourself that democrats care about you at all, except as a means to more power.

        • JeffH

          Kate8, on another thread I posted the 10 richest politicians currently in office…guess what…8 were Democrats and the two Republicans were both RINOs.

          • Kate8

            I know, JeffH. It defies logic the way the democrats just keep repeating the lie like a mantra – evil, rich Republicans – and the masses keep buying it.

            Humanity will ever be willing to sell its soul for a few ‘pieces of silver’. Keep them fed and they’ll never as questions.

            Funny. Libs won’t even feed the starving wildlife because they don’t want them to become dependent on it and forget how to take care of themselves. But then, they do have more regard for animals than humans.

          • Denniso

            The parties are not the same as they were 150 yrs ago,they’ve both transformed. Why do you think the Repub party now has very few blacks and hispanics belonging to it and most are in the Dem party? The Dems do a much better job of representing blacks,hispanics and all minorities. The Repubs are mostly white,a combination of rednecks and the wealthy…most of the hated bankers are Repubs.

        • Karolyn

          Kate, Akber did not even mention Democrats did he? He was standing up for the President, not the party.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, quit being a schill!
            Akber said and I quote: “I am supporting Democratic party and strong supporter of our president Barack Hussein Obama.”

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s OK JeffH. We know that libs don’t know how to read. They only spew trash on this site and, unfortunately, we end up having to clean it up. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Claire

            Samurai—Good to hear from you! Hope you are doing great. Take care of yourself!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you Claire! Same to you, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! My wife would like to continue posting and that’s fine with me.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Claire:

    This is my first book and I am following the advice of the editor and my publisher. The publisher is doing the write up for media release and he will be releasing it to several outlets. He decided not to put it on e-book at this time and wants to see how it sells first. I honestly wrote the book because my brother-in-law kept harping at me to do so.

    TOCB:

    There are some things the general public does not know about the Health Care Bill. It has several areas unrelated to Health Care. For example, do you know after 2012, you will have a 3.8 per cent sales tax on the sell of your house and all real estate transactions? Say your house is worth $100,000; that is a $3,800 tax. Remember, Nancy Pelosi said, you will know what is in the bill after it is passed?
    Well, it passed and we have been had.

    • Denniso

      You need to look at a previous comment that addressed the 3.8% tax…if I remember correctly, it’s 3.8% on the profit above $500,000,
      so there is NO tax on the vast majority of sales as it will only apply to the most expensive houses. If a house is bought for $300,000 and later sold for $800,000,there is no tax on the $500,000 profit. If the house is sold for a $million w/ a profit of $700,000,there would be a tax of 3.8% on that amount equaling $26,600…not much of a tax on a $700,000 profit. How many people do you know who have ever made more than $500,000 profit on their house? When Ted Turner does, I think he can afford a small tax.

      The tax free profit on the sale of a home is relativity new and unique
      in the tax system, so a small tax on the most expensive and relatively rare sales is not an outrage.

  • DaveH
    • Kate8

      DaveH – Thanks for that great article.

      If we had more Americans (of every color) like this woman we’d still be a great and free nation.

      • Denniso

        I thought that the hundreds of millions of private guns in our country have kept us free? No???

        • http://naver sook young

          I hope that some of the credit also goes to some of the good leaders we have had also. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Denniso

            You’re right, most of our political leaders are good people who are trying to keep the country running and working for most of the people. It doesn’t happen by itself.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Bob I am surprised at you. Why do you stop short of the obvious. Politicians don’t work for the government.

    Why don’t you tell the truth. What are you afraid of? Politicians work for whoever puts up the most money and corporations and the wealthy are the ones hiring lobbyists to do their dirty work.

    The system is not beyond fixing. Deep down inside we all know what needs to be done. Campaign finance reform is the easiest solution there is. It just takes honesty and courage. Do we have any of that left?

    But this crowd might not be honest in what it really wants. I keep hearing get rid of government and let corporations/business have their way all the way. Making money is the only thing that matters.

    Let’s get real when we are 300 million people that’s not liberty , it’s anarchy and Fascism.

    • Denniso

      Eric…you’re exactly right. Politicians have to raise huge sums of $ to run for office and to stay in. Most of that $ comes from corporations that all have their own interests at heart, not the interests of the country. If the politicians don’t play the game and give the corporations some of what they demand,the money plug is pulled and they’re out.

      If we don’t get big money out of our political system then we will never have ‘clean’ leaders..it’s just like a law of physics.
      We need public financing of all federal elections or severe restrictions on $ spent and time for campaigns.

  • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

    I love visiting sites like this. It’s like listening in on a heated political argument that never ends.

  • Angela

    Bob,
    I have to admit with this article I researched alot of words that have been used in your text. Machiavellian Politics – goes back to Niccolò Machiavelli’s The Prince (1513) which was published in 1553 and the “ART OF WAR” which I must amit your pretty good at with your “hacking”. Along with your Class conflicts – Class conflict refers to the concept of underlying tensions or antagonisms which exist in society due to conflicting interests that arise from different socioeconomic positions and dispositions. Class conflict is thought to play a pivotal role in history of class societies (such as CAPITALISM and feudalism) by Marxists[1] who refer to its overt manifestations as class war, a struggle whose resolution in favor of the working class is viewed by them as inevitable under capitalism. You also used fiat very losely and fiat which under John Law who was a Scottish economist who believed that money was only a means of exchange that did not constitute wealth in itself and that NATIONAL WEALTH depended on TRADE. He was appointed Controller General of Finances of France under King Louis XV.
    Now lets talk about this century shall we, even though I must amit we have been taught by the best. World Trade has been around since the begining of time “COMMODITIES” – so much for “fiat”. In the history of the dollar it has never been worth a dollar until the Financial Crisis of 2008, it actually traded 98 cents which wall streeet said it would be good for stocks. As far as the Political parties are concerned Republicans are bought by Special Interests and Lobbiest that have controlled our World and they are in every government, in every country. Did you know that United Health Care is owned by Lobbiest? Insurance and Oil have controlled the world since their existance. I know Life Insurance has been around since the 1820′s and Oil 1861 and when it hit the market do you know how high it was? Oil was at $120.00 a barrrel, IMAGINE THAT IN 1861. Did you also know Bob that there are Rules and Regulations for this Industry already in place and have been in place for quite sometime, Federal as well as State, it’s just that all of our 52 States have different laws in place for Insurance, we will finally have FEDERAL LAWS IN PLACE FOR FINANCE – ANYONE THAT FINANCES A MORTGAGE – A BANK – A MORTGAGE BROKER – ANY ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS MODIFICATIONS OR ANY NEW LOAN – HAS TO BE ON A NATIONWIDE LIST TO DO SO BY PASSING A FEDERAL EXAM, IN EVERY STATE – THE SAME LAW APPLIES – EVERY STATE UNIFORMED RULES AND REGULATIONS!!! Better for the People – “Hey Bob”!!!!! NOW CAN WE DO THAT FOR INSURANCE, ALSO IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT VOTED YET HEALTH CARE REFORM HAS NOT MADE THE BALLOTS! EARLY VOTER HERE! – AND CAN WE GET OFF OUR DEPENDENTS ON OIL, AND HAVE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. That is what is really happening Bob. It’s Time for Scientific discovery with alternatives and BIG OIL to have competition. Which they have also stopped in our history with Tesler.
    WAKE UP AMERICAN PEOPLE AND DO SOME RESEARCH. YOU CAN LOOK UP ANY FINANCIAL GRAPH AND YOU CAN LOOK UP POLITICAL HISTORY AND SEE THIS PATTERN. WE NEED BIG OIL, BIG INSURANCE AND BIG FINANCE OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUT OF EVERY GOVERNMENT IN EVERY COUNTRY – GLOBALLY! THAT IS WHAT WE NEED BOB. Also if LIFE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAD TO PAY A DEALTH CLAIM IN A WAR,A DECLARATION OF WAR, OR AN ACT OF WAR – DO YOU THINK WE WOULD HAVE WARS? I THINK NOT!

  • KimM

    “No one ever teaches well who wants to teach or governs well who wants to govern.”
    “This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.”

    -Plato-

    • Denniso

      Plato also didn’t believe in democracy,rather a benevolent dictator, because he thought undereducated citizens unfit to vote for what is best for a country. I think many of us might agree today.

  • KimM

    Thanks Bob for a rather interesting article, and to many others who have left intelligent, passionate and informative post.

    I really had more to say but I decided to let the words of a brillient philosopher at to which I am sure or founding fathers looked heavily into when forming our Constitution speak volumes for me.

  • jopa

    Jeffh and Kate8;There is one way we can get back at those top ten rich Democrats and the two rich Rinos.Contact your representatives and tell them to let the tax cuts for the filthy rich expire.This will help to restore America, Nothing like getting even right?

  • Thinkbug

    So many folks insisting that all is explained by a small bit of the truth as seen through the narrow window of their particular viewpoint. We could profit greatly from putting more effort into uncovering the truth and less into attempting to state that clever zinger that leaves all others dazzled and unable to respond.

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