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The Perfect Sandstorm

February 1, 2011 by  

The Perfect Sandstorm

The Middle East is once again shrouded in the abaya of upheaval. Given the Byzantine nature of Middle Eastern politics, it’s difficult to predict whether the region will emerge from the current disarray with an improved push toward freedom, or a reactionary plunge toward Islamic fundamentalism.

The game may ultimately be the same — the quest for wealth, or power, or both — but the Middle Eastern version is played with far too many wild cards. In Tunisia, a self-immolating street vendor set the government alight. In Egypt, President Hosni Mubarak’s dictatorial attitude, combined with a resurgent Islamofascist element, has become a perfect storm of destabilization.

While he’s no friend of freedom, Mubarak has been a redoubtable ally to the United States over the last three decades. Westerners who point to his autocratic manner tend to forget that truly democratic and/or republican leaders outside the Western world are as few and far between as truly democratic and/or republican countries; despite the overwhelming number of nations with names including one or the other adjective. And as wholly unprepared as President Barack Obama was for Tunisia, the situation in Egypt may become a far larger stain on his already-tarnished foreign policy legacy.

In 2009, as brigades of young people took to the streets of Iran in search of liberty, Obama hemmed and hawed. He proffered platitudes about Iran’s potential march toward freedom. But when Iran’s hard-line Islamofascist clerics, fronted by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the Persian Ringmaster, unleashed their own version of Tiananmen Square, Obama lost the notes to his “Iranian Freedom” speech.

And the collapse of the Lebanese government, thanks to the machinations of Iran- and Syria-backed Hezbollah terrorists, has gone essentially uncommented-upon by Obama. Beirut, once nicknamed “the Paris of the Middle East,” is headed back to being the “Beirut of the World.”

This, then, would be the “Obama Doctrine.” George W. Bush’s cowboy diplomacy, a one-off of Ronald Reagan’s enormously successful style, is horrendously expensive. But Obama has turned too far in the other direction, instead emulating Carter, the losing admiral in the Battle of the Chattahoochee Bunny.

Lebanon and Tunisia, followed by Egypt, are potentially bad signs. Should fundamentalist Islamic groups like Hezbollah and Muslim Brotherhood gain control, they could destabilize — for example — the already-shuddering regime of King Abdullah II of Jordan. To cement the idea of Abdullah II as non-threatening, keep in mind that he’s such a fan of Star Trek that he once took a walk-on role on one of the spin-off shows (set phasers on AWESOME!) Hardly the stuff of jihadi dreams, considering the Enterprise fires photon torpedoes, not B-40 RPG’s.

Just to the east of Jordan sits the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are enormously wealthy and have territorial control over the heart of Islam. However, they’ve spent decades pacifying extremist Muslims with money and concessions, while maintaining friendly-ish relations with the West. Essentially, the House of Saud has been robbing Peter to pay Mohammed. If that camel lurches to a halt, the offshoot would be both economically and politically devastating.

Elsewhere in the Middle East there sit a variety of monarchies and oil-soaked baronies which would soil their dishdashas if the bad guys moved in heavy. Morocco is a fine spot, but it’s only geopolitically noteworthy for attracting filmmakers and Western tourists who want to say they’ve “been to the Middle East” without actually having to go to the more “shooty” parts. Scattered around the rest of the region are golf resorts like the United Arab Emirates, and tiny oil drums like Qatar and Bahrain: Allies, but with militaries which couldn’t stand up to a determined Girl Scout troop during cookie drive season.

Vice President Joe Biden recently told Jim Lehrer: “I would not refer to (Mubarak) as a dictator.” Imagine the response of every Tom, Dick and Akbar on the street. Obama has repeatedly been behind the curve on foreign policy. It’s high time he gets out in front, and ensures friendly relations with whatever rises there.

Let me leave you with this caveat: If Obama doesn’t encourage them to play nice, the Israelis (thought I’d forgotten them?) will definitely try. If you think the situation in the Middle East is bad NOW — just you wait.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://deleted Claire

    This is a tough issue regardless of what administration is in office. It is so easy for people to say and think what they would DO in this situation. I wouldn’t wish this nightmare on any administration. I cannot and could not justify blaming the U.S. government for the happenings in Egypt. I have heard that Egypt’s powerful military realizes the legitimacy of the people’s demands and will not fire on the protesters, are willing to let the protests continue and even grow as long as they remain peaceful, even if it leads to Mubarak’s downfall. The U.S. has rejected Mubarak’s announcement of a new government and rightly so. Mubarak needs to go. I have no solutions for this mess, all I know is that I am tired of the U.S. having to deal with these types of issues. I hope and pray for a good outcome.

    • Karolyn

      I’m with you Claire. Let’s see how many people post how THEY would handle this mess!

      • DaveH

        I wouldn’t. I would let them duke it out. May the best man win.
        The smartest thing we could do is bring our troops home, perhaps stationing some of them at the border to stem the flow of illegals.
        Then shrink our Leviathan Government to at least half its current size, bringing back Constitutional compliance. And Free up our markets from the expensive meddling of Big Brother.
        Our resulting prosperity and freedom would shine like a beacon to the rest of the world, and we would lead by example, not by force.

        • sheryl

          Way to go, Dave! That is one of the most appropriate responses I have read today Thank you.

        • JC

          Further to that (awesome) thought DaveH, we should also stop paying Egypt to be our friend. Them and anyone else out there who is being supprted by Mr. and Mrs. American taxpayer.
          I don’t know if you realize this or remember it, but Egypt is being paid the same amount that goes to support Israel every year as a result of the Camp David Peace Accord. For this money we get a Muslim nation that pretends to be our friend and a Jewish nation that should be sinking or swimming on its own by now.

      • Cawmun Cents

        First America would confiscate all the military equipment we sold them whether by diplomacy or by force.The contracts for that equipment were made with Mubaraks govenment not the one that will take its place.Secondly,withdraw all aid to Egypt.Thirdly mine the Suez canal so only we know how to get through it.# 4.State publicly that we will not trade with a Caliphate,and take steps to create a law barring trade from US companies with a Caliphate.Lastly but Importantly,publicly state that the nation of israel is not to be trifled with by a Caliphate,or it will bring conditions of total war upon sucha Caliphate.There you have it…my solution

        • Cawmun Cents

          Step 6.Invade Somalia,and Yemen,and install puppet governments.What is the use of holding a hammer and not using it.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Numbero siete.Somalian pirates are not the only ones that can hold tankers hostage….who can stop our Navy?

          • Cawmun Cents

            8.Naval blockade the persian gulf,capture and confiscate all tankers and sail them to US ports.No ships no shipping.

          • Cawmun Cents

            9.Begin to build a new batch of nuclear submarines and design new ones,that can be built quickly and efficiently.

          • Cawmun Cents

            10. begin drilling in ANWAR,and use conficated ships to supply the Chines with fuel for their economy.

        • JC

          Much of what you’ve suggested is Piracy and Imperialism.
          As a Libertarian I condone neither.

      • bob wire

        However you want to look at it, this is “BIG DOINGS” ~it’s an attempt of a Arab nation to come into the 21st century by their own shear will.

        The future of the world, weighs in the balance of what happens there.

        My hopes are with these people and their self determination.

        • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com/ Patriot1776

          So….. foriegner who want self-determination and a government to let them live free is good….. but tea-partyers who fight for self-determination and want their government to leave them alone bad. got it

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Patriot1776____DEAD ON!!!!!

          • bob wire

            So you feel that equaling tea party and the suffrage of the Egyptian people somehow as being common and equal or such as your posting seems to suggest?

            Well Sir, regardless what you thought about the 2008 election returns, the difference in winning or losing was in the single digits and not 92 to 8 %.

            And the American people are not being subjected to a dictatorship in spite of your displeasure in the winner and all the howling that has taken place with a GOP upset.

            You simple lost a democratic election held and precipitated in by a democracy.

            I think the soft life has perhaps dulled your senses to such matters.

            The Tea Party is to be only a small footnote in American history as today, reality is just starting to take it’s full effect.

            These junior congressmen have years to go before they enjoy leadership roles, if they can survive that long. Some will, but many won’t.

            If you expect quick change, amass such a crowd of non violent people as we see gathered in Cairo Egypt this day.

            The Tea Party would be very luck to muster 18,000 people at one time and then some of them would be wearing their guns and all hell would break loose. That would mark the end of your Tea Party.

          • eddie47d

            There is another reason Mubarak must go for he totally shut down the Internet. The Egyptian voice was stifled so he must not understand what freedom of speech means. His replacement might not get it either so that is a place where we could encourage it’s people.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            but it’s OK for your hero Nobama to want a internet “kill” switch??? Hypocrite!!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Right On JoeH!

          • Bruce D.

            Bob Wire your figures on what the Tea Party can put together at one time has already been proven to be off by 500,000 people.

          • bob wire

            Okay Bruce, I concede, I found a single event with 70,000 ~ so where and when did this 500,000 attendance take place?

            That’s a lot but it not enough I fear, and ram though the change you wish.

          • Bruce D.

            Here is a 9/12 event in 2009 Bob. “This compares very favorably to our prior analysis of the April 15 Tax Day Tea Party crowds, which the news media largely ignored or denigrated despite an estimated national turnout of 600,000 – 800,000+.”
            Glen Beck can also pull in 500,000 people made up of mostly Tea party individuals.

          • Bruce D.

            Bob, what do you think about this idea. If I was a leader of a poor country and received 1.5 to 2 billion a year the first thing I would do is expand the agricutural programs in schools and create business incentives to grow fruit trees and other forms of food that can grow in the dessert. In a poor country anyone with any land should have some form of food growing and government should be encouraging that by importing the technology, trees, and vegitation to do that in dry or dessert area.

          • JC

            Bob Wire…I suggest to you that for every Tea party activist able to be present at any given event that there are at least 10 more that weren’t there.

            Political parties use the same demographic to estimate the number of votes they might recieve. Each party member = 10 votes.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            I would say you are about 100% right! I could not attend any of the TEA party events in DC but Had I been able, I would have. I have, however been pushing for them in my local area! I don’t think they have a space in DC that could hold all who identify with the TEA PARTY!!

          • eddie47d

            Joe; I believe the “kill switch” was to prevent other Nations or hackers to get into unwarranted information. These other Nations could shut us down in the blink of any eye. If the free flow of ideas is trampled on then I will hit the streets. So stop making up stories

      • Carlucci

        I lived in the Middle East for several years. For the most part, these people do not think like we do. The ones who do don’t live there. You will usually find Arabs with a western mentality in Europe or America.

        There is so much anti-American sentiment overseas right now that we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t help them. Don’t forget that Hosni Mubarak is yet another “plant” from our own Fedzilla. Here’s some good insight from Lew Rockwell on the situation:

        https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#search/Lew+Rockwell/12dda65321000c87

        We aren’t the world’s nanny – in spite of the fact that some of the idiots in Fedzilla think we are. We need to follow the Ron Paul mantra – get out of there, leave them alone, and let them figure it out themselves. It is non of our business.

        • bob wire

          I couldn’t agree with you more,~ if it wasn’t for the Suez Canal and American interest presently enjoying highest priority status, perhaps we could.

          This small piece of world realstate is economically and militarily vital to just about every country in the world. The Suez is cutting a shipping voyage down as much as 1800 miles.

          It’s truly sad that in a 30 year reign of Mubarek, he couldn’t reach out to the average man and women he Lorded over. Where the “people” might wish to commission a bronze statue of his likeness.

          I doubt very seriously that he was tight for the cash.

          He has done what exactly what men of power and position do! Exploit his position simple because he could and offer calloused indifference to the working class that served him. In his benevolence, throwing them an occasional bone to keep them occupied with fighting among themselves for discarded scraps.

          Well? evidently Mubarek, failed to throw enough bones while allowing them enough liberty to communicate. For today, he is finding a whole bunch of them at his door step asking for his departure.

          Their message is simple and clear and they ask for no promise, They want him to un-ass the area sooner then later.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob wire,
            Perhaps if we would drill here and use it here, like some of us have been saying, the Suez wouldn’t have as much importance!!

          • bob wire

            Right Joe ! I’d like to see more for sure!

            So far, they have drilled under my house! We have a lot of natural gas drilling going on in central Texas today. It’s been an explosion in drilling activity, all a part of the Barrnet Shell formation.

            My first check was a little over $1,100.00, that was over a year ago. ~ I’ve not received any royalty payment yet. ~ Some wells produce better then others. I really don’t know for sure where I stand with it today.

            If you never hear for me again, just figure my house blew up or I got so wealth I moved to the tropics.

            But yes, drill we must to span the time when a new generation of fuels are introduced. I figure 50 to 75 years from now.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob wire,
            I have a freind that had the drillers come to him and ask if they could drill on his farm and they would pay him for the permission and royalties if it produced. well they found gas but they were going to cap the smaller of two wells and only develope the other. He told them to run pipe to his shed and then after a regulator, ran lines to the house. He uses a nat. gas powered tractor, uses the gas in his house and has a natural gas generator to run his electric. He doesn’t pay a single bill for utilities except for upkeep of his equipment. He’s happy, the drillers are happy and the utilities are screaming!!!

    • Dagney

      This situation would not be happening if there were a Bush or a Reagan in office. The Muslim Brotherhood is taking advantage of our fearless leader’s lilly-livered, appeasement mentality. One more reason to dump the Progressives!

      • eddie47d

        Okay Mr Macho Dagney ,How much war do you want? You’re as ridiculous as Ben Crystal in beating the drums of insanity. You two are a prime example of how wars start. Too much grandstanding and little knowledge about the situation. Unless Obama was willing to unleash an invasion with Iran then all he could do was give the Iranian people encouragement.Anything else is foolish and dangerous. The same can be said about Egypt so how much foreign entanglement do you want? It’s also odd that Reagan was brought up;for he is the one who sent troops to Lebanon and then cut and ran. Maybe we could blame all this destabilization on him. That wouldn’t be any different than Ben blaming everything on Obama.

        • http://aol Todd

          Eddie,

          You are partly correct in saying that we can trace it back to Regan. When we pulled out after the Marine Barracks were blown up, it showed the terrorist that we could be cowed and made to leave. Should we have stayed and risked more American Lives, Should we have been there in the first place. I do not know as I do not have all of the information that lead the US Military to be there in the first place.

          But, we do not have to use massive military force. We should go back to the policy of targeted elimination of those who are inciting the violence and publicly back those that are for peace and that are for true democracy for their countries.

          Obama missed his opportunity to back those wanting freedom in Iran. If those who risked their lives in Iran had more backing, we may not be in the current situation.

          • bob wire

            why stop with Reagan, ~ Carter made a much greater impact in the region.

            Oh! that’s right ! Carter was a nothing president, ~ I keep forgetting.

      • Dick Gazinia

        Are you kidding? The situation has nothing to with what administration is in power in the White House. Many here complain about the left blaming everything on Bush… Please don’t fall into the same type of delusion that everything is Obama’s fault. Fair is fair.

        • http://deleted Claire

          I will not place blame on this administration regardless if it were Democrat or Republican. What is fair is fair. These countries have been at war amongst themselves since the beginning of time. My thoughts are rather like DaveH–let them alone to sort it out for themselves. Why do we always have to be the world’s peacekeeper?

          • JeffH

            Claire, I’m with you and DaveH on this…time to let the world sort itself out and focus on our own nations survival.

          • Dan az

            Hey guys
            I agree and what needs to be done is reign in billary who started this crap!

      • Karolyn

        A big BS!!!! to you! Do you really think any President would handle this any differently in this day and age? You are seriously deluded. Whether we like it or not, we live in the world, which has grown smaller and smaller, and our prosperity depends more on other countries than you apparently believe.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Karolyn–You may have a point, especially with the last sentence of your post.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Karolyn,
          how much prosperity do you think this world is going to have if Iran gets a nuclear warhead and a good delivery system???

          • http://deleted Claire

            JoeH–Good point-

          • Bruce D.

            JoeH, that is what concerns me the most. There are a lot of people who think you can just ignore countries that threaten nuclear war like Iran has been with Israel and every think will sort itself out. Not only that the threat of exporting the technology to other countries for a mutual ally and money. It is just a mess that will not likely sort itself out. It will progressively get worse and the world will become more and more dangerous.

        • Bruce D.

          I believe just the opposite as you Karolyn. I believe both parties are making other countries rich at our expense. I would like to see import duties that reflect the difference in wages of different countries. Chinese products would cost more but we are in a dwindling spiral the way things are now. I believe with our present policies there is only one direction for us to go in – down.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Bruce D– I will have to agree with you on your post.

    • Les

      I have never confused the BO agenda with the American agenda. Thew ‘Community Action’ group Code Pink went to Egypt to help organize this over-throw. Hez and the Brotherhood are working together in these nations and good people with just cause are being horribly used to their own loss. These nations are falling and when the dust settles you will see a lit fuse. Ask yourself what the flurry of diplomatic and military meetings around the globe in January were about? Why BO seemed so shell shocked in the SOTU. Why we have a military build-up in Africa and why we led 24 coalition actions there last year. Be sure to read Bob’s articles on preparation, you’ll be glad you did.

  • American Patriot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guWMQNOWiRo&feature=related

    Real Jews against Zionist Jews. Rabbi’s saying that Jews should not even be in Israel. And, that Jews lived with Muslum’s peacefully for many many years. Watch this! Radical Zionist Jews stirring the pot? With U.S. tax $$$$$$$$$$$$ you decide.

    • Al Sieber

      Amer. Patriot, thanks for the link, I’ve known this for years and some of the Jews I grew up with as a kid didn’t want the state of Israeli. I believe the riots in Egypt and the Middle East have to do with a food shortage and high food prices, and it’s heading this way, we’re gonna have food priced so high we can’t afford it, when the price of fuel goes up.

      • DaveH

        I think you know, Al, that the price of fuel will go up because the number of created dollars have gone up. The US still has the dollars to buy the fuel, they are just in the hands of people who didn’t earn them.

        • http://deleted Claire

          DaveH– Gas here is $ 3.30 right now, , we expect it to go higher, of course.

          • DaveH

            I don’t know your age, Claire, but do you remember how in the 70s the oil companies were blamed for the high prices? They seem to be the Government’s and Federal Reserve’s favorite scape goats. When, in reality, general prices can only go up if the amount of dollars in circulation go up.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH– I am no doubt older than you! Yes, I remember the 70s and the gas prices and I remember everyone (myself included) blaming the oil companies. I was a lot younger and did not know what I realize now.

          • Karolyn

            OMG, Claire. Murphy Oil at WalMart near here is $2.86 today!

          • bob wire

            It around that here in Texas as well Karolyn . Gee, Claire where do you live? They are really beating you up!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob wire,
            Think! how far are you from the refineries in Houston??? I’m up here in North East Ohio and it’s 3.15 a gallon!! The biggest part of the price is TAX!!! In most states you could knock off over a dollar a gallon if you knocked off the tax!

          • http://deleted Claire

            bob wire–I am in the most corrupt state in the U.S., at least one of them–Illinois.

        • Al Sieber

          Dave, Bullhead City AZ. it’s $2.89 a gal., Kingman, it’s $2.99, and Lk. Havasu City it’s over $3.00. maybe $4.00 by May.

          • Al Sieber

            Dave, I forgot to add, that they’ll never stop printing money until nobody excepts it, which is coming.

      • Bruce D.

        Artificial scarcity

        “Gasoline ration stamps printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in 1974Government price controls further exacerbated the crisis in the United States,[24] which limited the price of “old oil” (that already discovered) while allowing newly discovered oil to be sold at a higher price, resulting in a withdrawal of old oil from the market and the creation of artificial scarcity. The rule also discouraged alternative energies or more efficient fuels or technologies from being developed.[24] The rule had been intended to promote oil exploration.[27] This scarcity was dealt with by rationing of gasoline (which occurred in many countries), with motorists facing long lines at gas stations beginning in summer 1972 and increasing by summer 1973.[24]“

      • Bruce D.

        “Crude oil prices behave much as any other commodity with wide price swings in times of shortage or oversupply. The crude oil price cycle may extend over several years responding to changes in demand as well as OPEC and non-OPEC supply.”

      • Bruce D.

        Yom Kippur War – Arab Oil Embargo

        In 1972, the price of crude oil was about $3.00 per barrel. By the end of 1974, the price of oil had quadrupled to over $12.00. The Yom Kippur War started with an attack on Israel by Syria and Egypt on October 5, 1973. The United States and many countries in the western world showed support for Israel. Because of this support, several Arab exporting nations and Iran imposed an embargo on the countries supporting Israel. While these nations curtailed production by 5 million barrels per day other countries were able to increase production by a million barrels. The net loss of 4 million barrels per day extended through March of 1974 and represented 7 percent of the free world production.

        Any doubt the ability to control crude oil prices had passed from the United States to OPEC was removed during the Arab Oil Embargo. The extreme sensitivity of prices to supply shortages became all too apparent when prices increased 400 percent in six short months.

        From 1974 to 1978, the world crude oil price was relatively flat ranging from $12.21 per barrel to $13.55 per barrel. When adjusted for inflation world oil prices were in a period of moderate decline

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    the muslim brotherhood is behind this.

    • Karolyn

      I don’t think so. It is all about freedom and their economy. All the money the country has that is kept by the rich while the common people starve. Shades of the French Revolution. Nowhere has there been mention of Islam – even to the signs people carry and interviews with the people.

      • TIME

        Karolyn,

        The Brotherhood is behind all of this with out question, look over the areas within that region and note that its nearly all in chaos. I in no way give Mubarak a pass, but then ask yourself who set him up in power?
        And a better question is why they set him up in power?

        • Karolyn

          I would ask, Time, what are you getting at? What Brotherhood are you talking about? Why do you have to read anything more into this uprising than people wanting their freedom and more opportunity. The US did not set up Mubarak. He gained control when Sadat was killed. Yes, we all know he is backed by the US….And?

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn: They are talking about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, apparently they are huge in numbers.

          • Karolyn

            Actually, Claire, I just heard the group being talked about on the radio. Apparently, they are a moderate group that does not advocate violence and is big into doing good works. They want a total change in Egyptian government.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn–From what I have heard they do not advocate violence. It will certianly be interesting when all of this comes into play. I remember Sadat and Begin coming to terms with one another. It was a good thing.

          • http://deleted Claire

            “certainly”

          • bob wire

            “Brotherhood is behind all of this with out question,” well? I wouldn’t think it would be the Cairo 1St Baptist church or Al Quada, they are not armed!

          • Dan az

            karolyn
            The government, for its part, has warned that it still considers the Brotherhood a source of violent extremism. It imprisoned several hundred Brotherhood activists in 2010, including the No. 2 leader elected in December. State-run television broadcasted a 30-day serial about the Muslim Brotherhood during Ramadan, which portrayed the group’s origins as a religious militia that terrorized Egyptian citizens and politicians alike.

          • Bruce D.

            Karolyn you do understand when Muslims talk about freedom they are talking about freedom for men, not for woman.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Muslim women–If I were a muslim, I would probably be dead by now. There is no way they would allow me to live, I would be stoned, beaten, whatever. No doubt I represent everything they do not want for their female counterparts. Burkas, forget that crap. Long robes, no way. Keep my mouth shut? Never. Use myself as a suicide bomber? They can go straight to h—.

          • Dan az

            Claire
            The koran says.
            Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.

            Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83

      • DaveH

        Take off the green-colored glasses, Karolyn. If you want their money, do something for them to earn it from them.
        We indeed have a problem with some Rich people — the Crony Capitalists. But we should address that disease properly, not by attacking the Rich who earned their money the honest way. And we don’t address the Crony Capitalist disease by letting Government get even bigger. Politicians can aid their favored Capitalists with special regulations that sometimes directly aid them financially, and sometimes indirectly aid them by stifling their competition.
        The Government meddling in the Marketplace has created these unfair distortions, and we play right into their hands by letting them create their “reforms”.
        If you truly want a “level” playing field, Karolyn, then you need to work with us to get the Government out of the Marketplace, so that any ordinary people, with the drive to excel, can succeed unfettered by the complicated, unproductive rules of Big Government.

        • Karolyn

          Dave – Egypt is a rich country controlled by a few that keep the people down. Simple!

          • DaveH

            No doubt to that, Karolyn. I misread your post. I thought you were talking about the Rich in general.

          • eddie47d

            Well Dave, It’s hard to tell the difference anymore. The wealthy in every country take advantage of everyone below them. Most can’t be helped since we all have to buy products but it always seems like a shakedown.

          • bob wire

            “Egypt is a rich country controlled by a few that keep the people down. ” sounds like Louisiana!

          • Bruce D.

            You could be producing and selling products like millions of honest small business owners Eddie47d. You do not have to promote yourself as a victim all the time. I do not hear you say much about the Union shakedown that helped pass Obamacare and then asked for and got an exemption from it. If you want equality Eddie should we all not be able to get exemptions. What about getting rid of laws where people like Congress and Unions can be exempted from them.

          • Bruce D.

            Karolyn you do realize that when Muslims talk about freedom they mean for’men’.

          • Bruce D.

            Eddie, you do realize that without American businessmen you would be no better off than the people of Mexico fleeing their country looking for people with businesses to hire them. You should also realize that if Mexico still owned Arizona Mexicans would be leaving that state looking for work. Also if Obama and the left do not become more business friendly we will all be looking for work.

      • Vigilant

        Karolyn, take a hint from RivahMitch’s posting below. THAT’S what it’s all about and THAT’S what is going to happen in Egypt.

      • Vigilant

        Karolyn,

        Good God! The French Revolution? That was an abject failure, replacing a tyrannous monarchy with a tyrannous “republic.”

        • Karolyn

          Vigilant – Good grief! Did you not understand my analogy? It had nothing to do with the results of the revolution but the reasons for the revolution.

          • Vigilant

            Then you might have been so kind as to mention that in your post…..

        • eddie47d

          Wow,Someone used that sacred word Republic in a negative way.You’ll upset the hoards but they will know what I mean.

          • Vigilant

            Get smart eddie, although I’m sure you never heard of the Peoples’ Republic of China or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Negative use of the woed “republic” offends no one but you and your ilk.

          • eddie47d

            I was speaking of Dave H. with all his socialist comparisons and his defending Republics. Never a word from him about the “other” republics. I actually agreed with your earlier comment.

          • Vigilant

            eddie, my apologies.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        I’m afraid Egypt – and many other Mid-East areas – may end up like the French Revolution. The people revolted because they thought that things were so bad it couldn’t get worse. Then they got a new government promicing “Change” and “Tax the rich” (it seems I’ve heard those terms lately somewhere) and found out they were wrong. Things COULD (and did) get worse.

        • bob wire

          my biggest concern at the moment as well. After 30 years this Dude thinks he’s god.

          It’s very difficult to go from god to dog chow in just a few days.

    • Karolyn

      Also take into consideration that the loudest voice in the protest is a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

      • TIME

        Karolyn,

        A nobel prize has no value anylonger and has not for years as its been given to so many Con Artist and Progressives who have a striking likeness to Adolf Hitler.
        Yet oddly if Hitler were still alive I am sure he would be given many nobel awards for PEACE and Science.

        Afterall, all science used in modern med’s was all started during his time in power, wow and to think. Even Cloning, and if it were not for old Adolf we may just be getting started with Jet airplanes now.

      • Vigilant

        Wake up, please! ElBaradai is a willing tool of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, the man who continually frustrated investigations into the Iranian nuclear program.

        Nobel Peace Prize winner? You’re kidding, of course. Arafat and Obama also won the prize…that should give you some indication of the legitimacy of that accolade.

        • Carlucci

          And didn’t Al Gore win the Nobel, too, for “global warming”? LOL –
          the joke’s on him. Look at the record cold temps and snowfall right now. The news this morning said we may get snow here on Friday – I’m in S.E. Texas and that hardly ever happens. When it does, the snow usually melts once it hits the ground.

          I agree – the Nobel prize is now as meaningless as the Oscars – a bunch of lying, crooked fat cats buying their way into history. Yawn…..

          • http://deleted Claire

            The Nobel prize means nothing to me. I could care less. Decades and decades ago maybe it was reputable, but that was a long time ago. I am more impressed with a Best of Breed win for one of my champions!! lol

          • JeffH

            Claire, at least they really earned it through hard work. Unless you lobbied the judges with a little graft, like cookies or???? lol.

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH—Now, I have never “bribed” the judges, although I have heard many many stories. For example, an exhibitor gave a judge a car, another person slept with a judge, got up the next morning thinking he would give her a Best of Breed win on her dog but the judge dumped her!! Guess she wasn’t any good. lol I am terrible! Whether this is true, I don’t know, maybe I should not have posted this, because they are rumors. There are always the rumor mills, who knows if any of it is true. I like a lot of the older judges, they know what a Shorthair should look like.

          • bob wire

            “And didn’t Al Gore win the Nobel, too, for “global warming”? LOL –”

            wellllllll~? he didn’t claim he discovered gravity!

            It is warming! even though it’s 21 degrees in Texas today and this white “Crap” is everywhere! How do you people north of the Red Muddy put up with it beats me!

        • Karolyn

          I have heard reports recently upholding the global warming theory. I just wish I could remember what they said. However, there is a logical explanation for the weather we’re having being because of global warming. Wish I had time to look it up. I am just so swamped and want to know EVERYTHING!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            This morning it sleeted, then by 10:00 it started snowing–a real blizzard. The office closed and I got home okay, and now I know why I like my Jeep. It has been snowing hard all day, with bouts of sleet. We have high winds that make it much worse. It is a mess. Power has gone out in neighboring communities but so far we still have power here at home. The Army and Air Guard have been called out to help stranded motorists on the interstate. It is supposed to be like this all night and through most of tomorrow. I would rather have 2 feet of snow as opposed to sleet.

          • Vigilant

            Karolyn,

            Many people have erroneously tried to use the weather as proof or disproof of global warming. For example, when we have a hot year they attribute it to the theory, when we have a cold year or cold winter they furnish that as an argument against it.

            In actuality, it can work both ways. Global warming, more accurately called global climate disruption, can very well cause spates of summer cold and/or winter warmth, as well as hotter summers and/or colder winters. The correlation is not hard and fast, for the simple reason that climate and weather are two distinct things.

            As far back as elementary school (and I’m 64), I remember a Bell Telephone science movie in which it was clearly stated that the earth was warming. They even showed how the coastal cities like New Orleans, NYC and Washington D.C. would be partially submerged in the future.

            Then, as now, no one knew the reason why it was happening. Geologically, we are at the end of one of the several Ice Ages, so that was one theory: that the heatup was normal and would eventually cool off again to cause another Ice Age. Whatever the reason(s), the science is sufficiently inaccurate to prove or disprove it.

  • SteveB

    This is definitly a wakeup call for the U.S. to get busy developing our own resources and alternative fuel sources. Guess where most of the middle east oil has to pass through to get here? Being that the Suez Canal is controlled by Egypt….what happens if another Islamic extremist government gets control there? A very sensitive situation right now….with the price of oil being threatened again.

    • 45caliber

      One flaw in your scenario – oil is normally carried by supertankers – which cannot get through the Suez Canal.

      • bob wire

        That’s so true, but oil interest support can fit nicely. Never under estimate the need for good support. It’s often a make or break situation. Fat boys must take the long way home.

  • http://dutchvalleyinc.com PeterM

    The world if finally addressing the fact that every politician in America say “Do as we say not as we do”.

    • bob wire

      So Right! and that’s a good thing.

  • Toomuchsense

    Comments on Comments: Just who could in a snap, jumb start our developing our own resources? But refuses. In fact, he blocks. Next: While I may not have the answer for the Egyptian problem and how to settle. Our current president ran real hard to be the “Man.” Thus he is the possible solution, or the problem to what is to come as a result of that problem in the shade of the paramids. Gee: Our government, and our previous presidents and their staff, have been getting blame for everything under the sun. Yes! Everything! So when our present leader is faced with situation, where his actions will influence for good or bad, our position in world. Some, want to give a pass. Which is fine. Maybe naive. But fine. But only fine, if they were consistent on other like-kind issues of previous presidents. I’m amused. But mostly angry. At the massive and over the top hypocrisy of many of our citizens / commenters. So give a pass if you wish to our present leader. But be consistent on your critism to others, based on your past comments and reactions.

  • RivahMitch

    Quite simply, this is Iran 2.0. A left wing U.S. president and media babble about “freedom and democracy” for the “people” while those in the upper and middle classes leave. At our behest, the military stands aside while a new “democratic” regime is promoted … only to be followed quickly by Islamic fumdamentalists who are inimical to U.S. interests. The only question is how many US tax dollars (borrowed from China) our Kenyan Marxist president will give his Islamic fascist brothers before U.S. citizens wise up to what he’s doing.

    For those who choose to forget, the Communist revolution in Russia began as a “democratic movement” and the “democratic” Kerensky government was briefly in power before Lenin declared that the communists were the “majority” (that’s “Bolshevik” in Russian). And the progressive band plays on…

    Amusing… did anyone else observe the Egyptian women with uncovered faces ranting against Mubarak on TV? Want to bet whether or not those same faces will be seen in Egypt a year from now… Remember the Coptic Christians? How many of them will survive the civil Sharia society about to be imposed on Egypt? Funny… even while being tragic.

    • Dagney

      Exactly right. Jimmy Carter on Steroids. Will we be lucky enough to get Reagan on Steroids after this disaster?

    • 45caliber

      Sad but true. The problem is that they act because they don’t think anything can get any worse – then they get a new government and find out they were wrong.

    • bob wire

      “For those who choose to forget, the Communist revolution in Russia began as a “democratic movement”

      Well Lady Katheren was working on a better plan, but too many starved to death while waiting. Some 30 years later it was the killing of his brother that light Lenin’s fire of contempt for the crown.

  • Toomuchsense

    Karolyn’s comments are eye opening. No, not really. Comments like that, are the result of the dumbing down of our students for decades. Like a previous commenter so correctly pointed out. Most revolutions in the last century, were on the surface, seen as democratic uprisings. But ended up with dictatorships. Where terror and loss of freedom were quickly the fruits of the revolution.

    Along with a previous commenter that stated that they did not have the knowledge, solution, nor desire to come up with an answer to the Egyptian problem. Then proceeds to give solutions to a complicated situation in the same paragraph.

    Then along comes Karolyn. Riding to the rescue. Waiting, with baited breath, on those comments she knows is coming. On a web site, where comments are to be expected. Even by those that don’t offer their own. For the reader visits various blogs, to get input to whatever the issue is. So Karolyn’s first comments is……so understandable. Unfortately.

    The reference to the French Revolution, is also typical of one schooled in the persent education system. For the frogs are still living the effects of that failed revolution. Yes! I know the revolution was successful on the surface. Heads rolled. Streets full of blood. Cake was offered to all.

    But blacks, browns, yellows, etc., do not have a seat at the table. That table of power in France. Their moral compass is not broken. It is worst. For their moral compass has been lost for a century or better. Those rich and richnots. Gee, I like that term “richnots.” Still exist in France. The difference between the land of the frogs and the eagle. Is with only a few exceptions. A poor little lad, or laddie can become well to do, and yes rich, here. The social ladder is our main item in the hardware store owned by uncle Sam. There is no social ladder in France.

    It’s too bad that if our society reads at all. It’s people or us magazine.

    • eddie47d

      Karolyn was only pointing out that the wealthy Egyptians rule that country. That little has changed for the common folk after $1.4 billion in US aid for every year that Mubarak has been in power.Where did all that money go in that 30 years? Why is Egypt still such a poor nation? It has been rich in tourism but that still doesn’t explain where all that money went to. Could it be in all that military hardware and police force to keep the people poor? The opposition has been arrested and jailed for those 30 years and yes a few terrorist have been kept under control;but how many radicals did those 30 years create?

      • DaveH

        Government leaders rarely put the interests of their citizens in front of their own special interests.

      • Karolyn

        Thank you Eddie. I really didn’t feel like posting again what I thought was already apparent in my post.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Most US foreign aid comes with a caveat that it can only be spent on our Military Industrial Complex.

        • 45caliber

          Actually, most of the foreign aid is supposed to be used to buy food products – from us. Military is second.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        Where did all the foreign aid go?

        The same place it goes in most countries we give it to – the dictator/President’s private bank account in some place like Switzerland. It is our government’s attempt to “buy” friendship but still leave us a way out if that dictator goes down. (“We were giving it to your country – not him. He just took advantage of it.”)

        • eddie47d

          Lockheed Martin sent $3.8 billion worth of equipment to Egypt last year. Boeing $1.7 Bil. of military hardware. General Dynamics $2.5 Bil. General Electric $2 Bil. Not sure why we are arming them. Reagan armed Iraq to the teeth and look where that got us. What an endless pit.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            Reagan may have armed them, but if they don’t have the cahones to fight all the conventional arms in the world won’t help them!!

      • Dan az

        Eddie
        You forgot the bail outs that germany has been giving to keep the EU afloat and now that the money has been cut off the chineese are now taking up the slack.Thats the problem we all are heading for the same thing hence NWO.

      • Toomuchsense

        Eddie47d, nice try. But no dice. Your defense of Karolyn in incorrect. For Karolyn did not express the thought in print, that you claimed. If you read her futher comments, written since my comment to her. Her weak and improbable stance have since been cemented further with her further writings. I suggest Eddie47d, that you spend about ten minutes going through this thread, and reading Karolyn’s comments. Then if your a man of integrity. You’ll admit your mistake and go on. But I doubt either of those positions exist in your spere.

  • Howard R Gray

    The Muslim Brotherhood is in the wings waiting their moment. The Shah of Iran fell in the wake of a revolution for good that fell into the hands of the extremists. Kerensky’s government fell to the Bolsheviks; there is every reason to think this revolt will end badly. Much as the population wants liberty and economic advancement, however, there are those who care not a jot about the common man, the communists and the Islamic fundamentalists are fomenting this riotous movement and they have a poor record in the outcome of revolutions. Who will cap the game? Anyone can guess, mine is that the fundamentalists are the favorites’ to win this one, all the conditions are right for them to succeed. Maybe the army will prevail maybe not, we shall see.

    Once the Caliphate is in place, the problem will be keeping it together, the Ottomans lasted for centuries but then communication was by horse and camel for the most part, now the speed of radio and wireless technology may, in the longer run, outwit them. One of the reasons that the Russian communist empire was so short lived was the ability of the people to gather information and communicate faster and muster opposition to the elites in power. The same will happen here with the Caliphate, it has years at best, and perhaps by allowing the worst case to emerge, in the longer run, it will dismiss itself from history for good.

    Islam, unlike Catholicism, has never had a protestant movement to dilute the authoritarian power of the Papacy, allowing Christians to breathe in the reformation and the enlightenment. The Muslim fundamentalists have a poor human rights record and very little skill in running nations successfully. Poverty is rife in Egypt and most of the Muslim world, setting up a Caliphate without attending to poverty and liberty it is doomed to failure and ultimate collapse. Being devout does not make for good government; downfall of the religiously intolerant is inevitable, they are incapable of understanding what improves the human condition, religion has no prescription for success, Sharia law is not suited to economic success in the modern world. The only question is how long will it all take and how many will die in the process?

    We are about to witness the success of fundamentalism for one more time in taking power but not in improving the lot of the ordinary man. Fundamentalists, be they communist of Islamic, have little chance of making a long term betterment possible for the ordinary man, they will now have their chance yet again to govern. History tells us that the result will not be anything to write home about.

    We in the west took thousands of years to develop democratic government and it is still far from perfect. The trouble in Greece was perhaps the harbinger of this Tunisian and Egyptian experience, overthrowing governments might appear to be progressive but is it? Iran did not turn out well so will Egypt be any better? Revolutions go round and round and you end up back where you started or worse. Those who preach revolution in this country could do well to observe the outcome of this one. The army isn’t necessarily the guardian of good fortune. The colonels are the ones to watch, they are often just as tuned into radical Islam as any in the Brotherhood. The Brotherhood has a presence in the Army like it or not. Either way the outcome will not be good. How far the Muslim Brotherhood pushes their presence out behind a democratic stalking horse or they make a direct move for power remains to be seen, either way they have a huge influence on the outcome. Those who are armed and disciplined will have a very good chance of succeeding in a coup d’etat.

    Radical politics usually turns out nasty in revolutionary events, this one will likely as not, be much the same. Perhaps left wing millenarians will learn from what happens in Egypt, though I suspect not.

    • Vigilant

      Howard, you’ve summed it up in a nutshell. Very astute analysis.

    • 45caliber

      Communication is the key to a successful revolt – and a successful tyrany.

      The real key will be to see how well those in power use things like cameras, microphones, etc. to spy on their own people. As long as they can get good valid information, they can act to prevent revolt.

      Our country has all that tech – and much of it is being used today for that purpose. London and many other European cities have cameras everywhere supposedly to catch criminals … and rebels are considered criminals when they are unsuccessful. Houston and other American cities are trying to mimic them. Over 60% of all American spy satellites in orbit are pointed at the US. They take a picture of every part of the US every 4 seconds.

      With this kind of “Big Brother” awareness, the story of “1984″ is plausible where NO revolt can be successful.

    • Karolyn

      The Muslim Brotherhood is a moderate group that advocates non-violence and good works.

      • Vigilant

        Sorry to say this, but that’s the most ignorant comment I’ve ever seen you make. And ENTIRELY wrong.

        • Karolyn

          That is what I have heard, so don’t call me ignorant! Do you think I made it up? I would assume that they are considered moderate as compared with something like al quaeda. There are differing opinions on them.

          • Vigilant

            Only the apologists on sites like the Huffington Post find any reason to describe them as “moderate.” History is history. Hamas traces its roots to the brotherhood, and the assassination of Anwar Sadat was orchestrated by them. They want to impose Sharia Law on any country that comes under its power.

            As I said before, ElBaradei is nothing more than a tool of the brotherhood, a man who failed to hold Iran accountable to UN sanctions and who defended Iran’s nuclear program.

            The Egyptian Army, thankfully beholden to the US for aid and support, is the one faction holding the cards right now. One may have cause to retract blanket statements of withholding foreign aid to the Middle East if it turns out the interests of peace in Egypt will have been best served by our support of the military.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        If they advocate non-violence then why did they threaten to tear up the israeli peace accord??? doesn’t sound to peaceful to me!! Israel and Egypt have gotten along fairly well since its signing!!

  • 45caliber

    Seeing the pictures of many of the Arab men, like this one, makes it plain to me why their marriages are arranged. What woman would willingly want to marry one of these men after taking a look at him?

    • Cawmun Cents

      Well from what I understand…the wpmen arent anything to shout about either.

      • Dick Gazinia

        the real reason why they wear veils and burkas…

      • Karolyn

        You must not be looking very closely. I have seen many beautiful Arab women, especially in Afhganistan.

        • bob wire

          my too!, but they are kinda hairy has been my experience.

          Women amaze me with all their many qualities of beauty !

          • Carlucci

            Actually, depilatories like NAIR are the best selling cosmetics in the middle east. Henna and kohl are second and third.

            And I have also seen some absolutely gorgeous Arabs – both men and women. Some of the best looking Arabs come from Lebanon.

          • libertytrain

            Omar Shariff – Egyptian. He was a beautiful specimen in his day.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, mny heart! Makes me think of Dr. Zhivago, one of my all-time favorite movies!

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain—Ahhh, talk about a man that is/was the epitome of handsomeness. Gads, he was gorgeous in his heyday. He made my heart pound a little! lol

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn– I loved that movie too and I was so upset that he died at the end!! Arrrghhh

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn a good book to read if you liked that story by Pasternak is the book, “A Captive of Time,” by Olga Ivinskaya – Pasternak’s mistress – I read it decades ago and just rebought it to read again.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Carlucci–I will have to agree with you on your comments. WE have some here in town, and they are beautiful.

          • libertytrain

            Yep, he was beautiful. Still not an eyesore to look at today.

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain– I honestly did not know if he was still alive. I haven’t seen a picture of him in years.

          • libertytrain

            I’ll show you later :)

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–Okay.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Something else I would like to add–a young woman started working at our office about 5-6 years ago. She is half black, half white and she is beautiful. I kid you not, she is lovely. She put herself through college, and she is a hard worker. I do have a lot of respect for her, she is truly a nice person. She has a lot of class.

          • bob wire

            I met up with a pretty little Egyptian darling in Sidney back in 70. ~ Her skin with almost a fine in texture as a Irish red head that was alabaster white and she was covered with a fine soft fuzz as black a coal.

            I found it necessary as a American GI to thoroughly investigate her and her deep brown bedroom eyes. For love country of course.

            Airborne ranger qualified, I’m gonna run in the woods and hide.

        • 45caliber

          The most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen was from that area. She – like most of the more beautiful “Arab” women – was Persian, not Arab. Egypt, Saudi, Palestine, etc. are Arab – not Persian. Iran and Pakistan are the original Persian area.

          The Mid-East, like Madagascar and South East Asia, was where all the worst of the world went when the bad ones were run out of everywhere else. That’s where the pirates settled. That’s where the murderers, etc. went for safety. And as a result, those areas still tend to consider crime a valid occupation even today. Unfortunately, they also have a lot of really ugly people due to that as well.

          • 45caliber

            After re-reading what I just posted, what I’m trying to say is that the Persians – and most other people’s of the world – are of one race (breed). The Arabs are mongrels.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            Some of the most beautiful women in Viet Nam were those with a little French blood in them as well.

  • Anthony

    I would agree – the U.S. needs to stay ou of this Egyptian-only issue. The people, much like the brits, are tired of the oppression. Everywhere we turn, you see more instances of yet another Prince John of Nottingham setting his boot on the back of the people’s neck. It’s a tired machination.

    What I do know, from all of my readings and research – is this —>

    …Egypt has a Central Bank. Now, bear with me here. If you remember rightly, only 3 Countries are left without a Central Bank. They are SUDAN (currently preparing to split into both North & South, for what real reason we know not, sound familiar?), LYBIA, the home of Colonel Kadafi, which the Reagan Admin did bomb over a german discotheque bombing where US servicemen were inujured (also admitted later to be involved in the Lockerbie bombing), running a Islamic Socialist State; and IRAN

    Of these three Countries, only IRAN supposedly has global resources of oil that the World Bank would deem worthy of pirating. In the Bankster’s World, the resource should merit at least One Trillion dollars before they would sink their teeth in, under false reasonings. I seriously do not trust the read-up on Lybia. Too much of it smacks of bankster-puppet tendencies. A viewpoint I’ve gained after much readings on how certain events in the world have shown themselves to be coordinated by the Money Masters. But, let’s move on.

    Egypt has a central bank, and therefore their Leaders have their marching orders. You heard recently, that Mubarik’s Son & family recently fled Egypt and went (of all places) straight to England – not Syria or Turkey, or even IRAN. This means that fleeing to England, the real home of the World Bank (where the Rothschilds set the gold price twice a day), tells me… that EGYPT is being used, ..used by the Banksters as a test/trial case on what attack plan, the Bilderbergers deem appropriate when the People of ANY Country decide to stand up for themselves and their rights to freedoms that wealthy people never suffer the loss of.

    I can extrapolate this into further discussion(s) about Hillary Clinton’s SMALL ARMS TREATY efforts, which are said to be the underlining of DISARMING AMERICA and the resulting “riots” this Country will see. If you haven’t been paying attention, there are UN troops (blue uniforms) n our soil, at the ready, for deployment in any area where our own military refuses to compromise their brother’s freedoms. Yes, it is regarded that at least half of our own military will lay their guns down rather than fire on their own countrymen – and for that event there are UN troops who have no loyalty to any US citizen whatsoever.

    So, while you may be numb to the happenings in Egypt, as if they mean nothing to you, it being on the other side of the Planet. How those Freedom Marches (called riots by the Bankster-controlled Media) are dealt with by the global police state cronies, is exactly what you should be paying attention to.

    Ben Crystal and I don’t always agree on everything he discusses – but he is fairly close on this Article.

    ————————–

    As for the correlation of other Revolutions, I would remind HOWARD that it is pretty well known that both the Bolsheviks going into Russia and Mao going into China were funded by the Rothschilds as a way to assure at least half the globe was Communistic in nature, as a wedge against Chritianity. A very real part of what is intended, is the death of Chritianity, in favor of a Communist Planet. Many of these groups were never wealthy enough to fund their own enterprises. It has been well proven that HITLER and the buildup of Germany in the 1930′s was done with FEDERAL RESERVE assistance. Many of you will disclaim this fact to suit your own misguided teachings, from Public Schools … yet, it is the truth.

    What it all boils down to … is a bunch of moneyed elite, all playing RISK, with a touch of Monopoly, on a global stage, and all we get to do is watch. many smart people are doing what they can to grab a piece of the money pie as that is really the only leverage they have. The rest or simply just clueless.

    UNTIL all of these different groups finally learn to start focusing their attention in the direction of these banksters.. this nonsense will never end.

    Why do I say this? Because the one real activity on the Planet which Bankers make the most profits on, are military conflicts – aka: WAR. It has been proven time & again, that the Rothschilds, and Rockefellers, along with the Warburgs, etc, have funded both sides in a dispute – making profits at both ends.

    If they did not fund either side, it is quite easy to see this Planet would suffer practically NO WARS. In fact, it is said that shortly before she died, Mother Rothschild is said to have stated:

    “If my Sons did not want any wars, there wouldn’t be any!”

    • Al Sieber

      Good post, you got that right.

    • Raggs

      Good 1..

      I think also we need to watch Africa, I understand that many riches have been found in that country, jems and precious metals and natural resources…

      • Karolyn

        Can you say “blood diamond?” Exploitation at its finest.

        • 45caliber

          Do you know what a “blood diamond” is? I don’t think you know. It is a form of torture.

          • Karolyn

            Aren’t they called blood diamonds because they come at the expense of people’s lives?

          • 45caliber

            No.

      • Carlucci

        I bought some gorgeous semi-precious necklaces and bracelets in Nairobi – brown tiger’s eye, rose quartz, lapis lazuli, and malachite – all so much cheaper than what I would have paid here in America. I also found little stone animals and eggs in the same semi-precious stones. One malachite egg is as big as my hand. My home is full of things like this that give me wonderful memories.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Carlucci—Sounds wonderful.

      • Al Sieber

        Raggs, China is buying up most of Africa for the mineral rights, they already have most of it.

      • Dan az

        Raggs
        Thats why we are in Afghanistan The minerals!

    • 45caliber

      People are rebelling because they have to pay taxes that are far too high for them to pay and still leave enough for them to live on. Further, their freedoms are being denied – more and more every day. When they have been pushed enough, they start protesting – then rioting – then if there is still no change, revolt. Sort of sounds like our own country, doesn’t it?

      The problem is that our government insists that ALL other governments of the world are legitamate (unless they are anti-American) regardless of how those foreign governments treat their own people. And as a result our government is willing to do what they can to support those governments and keep them in power.

  • http://com i41

    Any one who thinks the demenstaration a bringing democracy needs a a sharp blow above their ears. When they wake up show the the harsh facts it is a damn ruse of the pedophile goat abusers. With in a year there will be 5-6 countries modelled after Iran, with the goat abusers in the USA oushing for Srahia law in their enclaves. Onumnutts will be shipping more of the women abusing perverts in all the time so more mosque and madrases can be build. State legislatures had better get their laws in place to make muslim rules not acceptable.

    • 45caliber

      Saddly, I agree.

    • Karolyn

      Once again, 141, you’re wrong, plain and simple! Egypt is not a fundamentalist country, and it does not appear as though the people want it to be. If they can be so mobilized to oust their leader, they are cohesive enough to make their country the way they want it – a democracy! Your stupid babble about Obama does not even warrant response.

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, excuse me while I try to stop laughing and it is not at you.
        Having recently watched some old Bowery Boys movies, It is i41′s use of the language, and I don’t mean english, that reminds me so much of Slip Mahoney’s command of word meanings. Not exactly a model for the American school system.

        • Karolyn

          OMG! I used to love them! Every Saturday afternoon! Leo Gorcy.

          • JeffH

            I think Sach/Horace DeBussy Jones was played by Huntz Hall.

          • JeffH

            K, I found a website called “The Bowery Boys CorporationTuesday, Keeping The Boys Alive in case you’d like to check it out.

            Please enjoy this informational page- No copyrighted films are for sale. If you would like a “free” set of all 48 Bowery Boys films on DVD, we can send you a set as a courtesy but we ask that you pay a shipping and handling fee of $ 99.99.
            http://boweryboys.com/templates/System/default.asp?id=40004

          • Al Sieber

            Jeff, thanks for the link, and Karolyn, you got that right.

  • Raggs

    Is Egypt nuclear armed?

    If so we have a very big problem if not the best outcome we will see is Islam marching from country to country much in the same way hitler did…

    • Cawmun Cents

      That is a negatory on the nukes Houston….

  • eddie47d

    Mubarak is not a dictator in the likes of Mugabe but he has been around too long and needs to go. We have to tread lightly in dealing with this start up revolution for the Egyptian people will remember who’s money kept Mubarak in power. Egypt also has kept the other Arab nations in line by encouraging diplomacy with Israel. That may all be changing since they border with Israel and the Muslim Brotherhood could influence that direction. Can we keep buying peace in the Middle East? Egypt is the 4th largest recipient of our foreign aid in the world;behind Iraq,Afghanistan and Israel. Egypt is also a moderate Arab Nation with a strategic location. I say we get behind the coming changes in Egypt and hope that those moderates win out. If the old guard won’t relinquish power or Egypt turns into an Iranian type government then it’s time to cut off funds and let them rise or fall on their own merits.

  • DaveH

    Our founders disdained foreign entanglements. I do too. Between the Liberal Nanny-Statists and the Right-Wing Militarists we have and will continue to lose what little freedom we have left.
    If you want our country to survive, we need to butt out of other countries business, let them sink or swim on their own, and get our Government out of our business. We need to get the freedom back that we so foolishly gave away to the Socialists and the Militarists.
    We aren’t going to change those countries forcefully. The best we can do is to give them a shining example of Freedom. But first we need to re-obtain it.

    • Vigilant

      Good points, Dave, but extrication from existing entanglements is easier said than done. And the single fact that nuclear arms are now in the equation complicates the problem exponentially.

      Our tragic mistakes have come about as a result of “nation buiding,” a costly and futile attempt to impose our system on nations that have no interest in democratic forms of government. Both Clinton and GWB should have been pillaried for that, from the Balkans to Iraq. You can’t fit the peg into the hole.

      A nuclear Pakistan, India, Israel and Iran carry nothing but evil omens for the world. Some would have you think that we should let them all duke it out, oblivious to the fact that the deadly nuclear fallout would kill off a substantial percentage of the world’s population, let alone put us into an energy crisis like we’ve never seen before.

      When we leave Afghanistan, nothing will have changed; the Taliban will re-assume power, and an energized Al Quaeda will continue to plot their nefarious schemes. When we leave Iraq, a short civil war will leave the Iranians in charge, and woe be it to the Sunnis and Kurds.

      And again, those who like to blame everything on the NWO folks fail to acknowledge that religious beliefs and movements are a very powerful influence in that region of the world. If there is a NWO bunch, they may hail the coming of more strife but I have serious doubts that they are responsible for orchestrating it.

      So, while we agree in principle, I believe the solution is far from easy.

      • 45caliber

        There is only one argument they seem to understand – strength. If we were to have simply stomped the Iraqi army until we found Saddam and then told the country, “We are leaving. The damage is your problem for allowing someone like Saddam into power. Don’t do it again or we’ll come back and make things even worse for you.” they would simply have put all their ideas of world conquest on a back burner. Even now, if we would say, “If you start a nuclear war, we’re going to finish it by glassing your country,” they would still be quiet and peaceful.

        But that isn’t in our government handbook any more. Instead we try to be the “peacemakers” by paying everyone on both sides to be good. And they have learned that.

        • bob wire

          “But that isn’t in our government handbook any more. Instead we try to be the “peacemakers” by paying everyone on both sides to be good. And they have learned that.”

          More Truer words have never been spoken! 45

          and our leaders seem to expect peace to just~ break out!

          The biggest joke ever played on the American people since aluminum tubes!

          Too much carrot and not enough stick.

      • 45caliber

        Vigilant:

        On the nuclear fallout: Right now the experts say that if you were to wait – in your house – for three days you would be perfectly safe outside unless you actually tried to live in a nuclear crater. Even Hiroshima didn’t have the fallout that the nuclear scare tactics insist there is. In fact, the military plan if nukes are used are to move into such areas in only a day or so. Of course, they aren’t really that worried about long term affects on our soldiers but they still don’t think there would be too many problems even that quickly.

        • Cawmun Cents

          There goes that word again….experts….HA HA HA HA!T hey say what they are paid to say….

        • eddie47d

          Saddam had an ego but not one of world conquest and Iran has showed no intentions of that either. Both countries seem too want more influence in the Arab world or at least Iraq did before the war. That was more for Arab unity than for taking on the world.

          • 45caliber

            They don’t want to conquere the world to run it; they want to conquere the world for Islam! once that happens they will be perfectly happy in their own country because they believe that everyone will be peaceful since they all believe alike. Just like the liberals here believe if everyone believes their way.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            Yup Saddam didn’t have a thought of conquest! That’s why he invaded Kuwait, just passing through!!! UMMM UMMM UMMM YES WE CAN!!!!

          • Vigilant

            “Saddam had an ego but not one of world conquest and Iran has showed no intentions of that either. Both countries seem too want more influence in the Arab world or at least Iraq did before the war. That was more for Arab unity than for taking on the world.”

            “Arab unity?” You need to get a grasp on reality, eddie. The differences between Shiia and Sunni Islam are vast. Saddam’s gassing murders of the Kurds, and his relentless torture and death chambers for any Iraqi who opposed him are hardly a commercial for “Arab unity.”

            The dynamics of cultural differences between Arab factions is partly a key to understanding the instability in the region. Hussein’s government was a Sunni regime, as is Saudi Arabia’s and the probable next government of Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood). Shiites are clearly in the majority in Iran, as are its murderous spawns, Hezbollah. Hamas traces its roots to the Muslim Brotherhood.

            The only thing that they agree on is their hatred of Israel. And there’s no doubt in my military mind that Iran’s nefarious designs in creating an Iranian hegemony in the M.E. are to only two ends: the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a base for terrorist operations in the world. And it should be clear overall that the Islamist aim is to make Islam the only religion in the world.

            And that, my friend, is called world domination.

          • bob wire

            “Just like the liberals here believe if everyone believes their way.”

            45 with all respect, I’ve found that mindset universal and by no means unique to just liberals. You of all people, are a perfect example.

        • bob wire

          “On the nuclear fallout”

          I would encourage anyone that is truly interested about this topic locate and read “We of Nagasaki”

          “Takashi Nagai
          From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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          Takashi Nagai (永井隆 Nagai Takashi, February 3, 1908 Matsue – May 1, 1951, Nagasaki) was a physician specializing in radiology, a convert to Roman Catholicism, and a survivor of the atomic bombing of Nagasaki, Japan. His subsequent life of prayer and service earned him the affectionate title “saint of Urakami”.

          It’s an old book and I read it long ago; where today bombs have less side effects , I don’t really know. Takashi and his family lived on the other side of the mountain and was shielded from the initial blast and resulting flash. You will find it a very haunting read.

      • DaveH

        Vigilant,
        We can’t stop the rest of the world from going nuclear, and the fanatics scare me as much as they do you, but occupying other countries isn’t exactly going to endear us to our enemies (in the occupied countries or others).
        I know we assume that we are the benevolent ones (big assumption) so it’s okay for us to be nuclear. But remember that our country is the only one to have actually used nuclear weapons. So put yourself in the shoes of outsiders. It makes us look like the supreme hypocrites to be telling others they can’t go nuclear.
        I would arm our country to the teeth with all the money saved by withdrawing all our troops (everywhere) and be ready to decimate any whacked out countries that would dare attack us.
        Otherwise we ought to butt out of their lives.
        History has shown that Big Empires that spread themselves too thin eventually perish.

        • Vigilant

          DaveH,

          “We can’t stop the rest of the world from going nuclear, and the fanatics scare me as much as they do you, but occupying other countries isn’t exactly going to endear us to our enemies (in the occupied countries or others).”

          Well, I don’t know about stopping the rest of the world from going nuclear. Failing to do so seems to be a formula for disaster. Unless the Israelis perfom some surgical strikes on Iranian nuclear facilties (just a matter of time, I’ll wager), the danger of nuclear holocaust in the world will have increased exponentially. That’s not the kind of legacy I want to leave my progeny. With China as the overlord of N. Korea, I doubt there’s much we can do there, but I suspect that China may eventually step in to discipline those freaks.

          I agree that we “occupy” too many countries. Western Europe can carry their own load, and there are other areas where our presence is unnecessary. And our “nation building” mistakes in the M.E were poorly conceived and executed. Instead of maintaining a balance of power there, we have both energized the enemy and created an instability that’s coming back to bite us on the backside.

          There’s absolutely no mileage to be gained in either Afghanistan or Iraq. If and when we leave, we will have left them worse off than before our meddling. And at what cost? All the bad guys will be in the ascendency and the “normal” folk will continue to be screwed by the fanatics.

          But pulling up stakes and coming back to Fortress America has its drawbacks too. While we agree in principle, reality has a nasty way of sticking its nose in. Until and unless we can develop alternate forms of energy, exploit our own domestic resources and press ahead with nuclear power, we will be slaves to foreign oil. The fiercely rabid anti-American sentiment amongst the fanatics who would rule the oil fields would place us in a master-slave relationship not to be savored.

          “I know we assume that we are the benevolent ones (big assumption) so it’s okay for us to be nuclear. But remember that our country is the only one to have actually used nuclear weapons. So put yourself in the shoes of outsiders. It makes us look like the supreme hypocrites to be telling others they can’t go nuclear.”

          In truth, it is our very benevolence which obligates us to police the rogue nations that have nuclear aspirations. And were it not for that benevolence, the bomb would have been used by us more than one time since the advent of the nuclear age.

          Pardon me Dave, because I truly respect your postings, but it seems to me that we have put ourselves in other’s shoes too often. We, as a nation, have not always been lily-white, but I would make no apologies to the world, and thank God that the power rests in a nation better fitted for that responsibility than anyone else.

          Good discussion.

    • Cawmun Cents

      I am all with that ideal DaveH.Problem is now matter how good your example is…some folks will either refuse to see it,or just plain ignore it in favor of their skewed vision.Which is why i advocated the above steps to making our own fortune.Forget those other idiots and let them drown in their own blood.Look if we sit back and withdraw into our own little world then we will be ripe for another Pearl Harbor like incident.I say we learn from that mistake and use the power that we wield to better advance our chances of survival in this world.We need to quit pussy-footing around and do what it takes to protect our own interests.Stop Gerry-mandering with this worthless diplomacy and ..DO SOMETHING!

      • DaveH

        Pearl Harbor didn’t happen because we had withdrawn into our own little world. Read this history of events that led up to Pearl Harbor:
        http://history-world.org/events_leading_to_the_japanese_a.htm

      • bob wire

        We are doing something, ~ It’s being discussed today by all US Ambassadors along with their country contacts and the Secretary of State.

        All the possible end game scenarios are being gone over.

        For now, nothing is smartest and most difficult thing to do.

        and Pearl Harbor happened in part, because we were doing something, the US was denying Japan assess to resources they desired.

        • Vigilant

          “and Pearl Harbor happened in part, because we were doing something, the US was denying Japan assess to resources they desired.”

          Don’t forget to mention that in denying them access to materials, we were doing the right thing.

          • bob wire

            Right! My bias was withheld. Anyway, yea, they got their nose out of joint and started pulling on Superman’s Cape and acting all bad.

    • Carlucci

      How about this? Let’s send Ovomit and his cronies over to Egypt since he’s a mooslim anyway. He should feel right at home over there.

      Then we could get the Doctors Paul to take over the reins here and get America back on track. Simple.

      • Karolyn

        Gee – Isn’t that a constructive comment!

        • eddie47d

          More like destructive.There are always a few of them.

      • bob wire

        While DR. Paul is much more ready then Palin, he is still not ready. Break him out in another 5 years and then we’ll discuss it.

        • Carlucci

          Note that I said “Doctors” Paul. His dad has served in govt. for at least 30 years. I’m sure that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

        • Vigilant

          Or is it that America’s not ready for Paul yet?

          • bob wire

            Hmm? well the last Father/Son tag team didn’t go over to well, but Senior had a hard time controlling him when he was a snot nose kid.

            But you are right, the Paul caliber is the greater of the two.

        • Al Sieber

          Well, I think “Paul” is ready, but the people aren’t”. Bob, what 2 presidents are you talking about, father and son? John Adams and John Q Adams?

          • bob wire

            H&W

  • Raggs

    Correct me if I’m wrong…

    Are these the steps needed to put in place a “One world religion” a “One world currency” and a “One world government”..?

    • Vigilant

      With due respect, you’re wrong.

    • Karolyn

      Just the opposite.

      • Vigilant

        Tell that to the Muslim Brotherhood.

  • DrSmythe

    I started reading this article, hoping to get some intelligent insights on the Egyption crisis. I immediately stopped reading as soon as I discovered by the third paragraph that it was just another Obama-bashing, politically motivated article. Why is EVERYTHING Obama’s fault? If Obama said that puppies were cute, you would say that it’s just another way that Obama will be taxing cute, rich puppies and give their crap to the poor ugly puppies. Georgie-porgie would have had us invading Tunisia. Then invading Egypt. Then Lebanon. Then Tunisia again. Great Strategy for a bankrupt ex-empire. Get us out of the middle east. Given time, they will destroy themselves, without our help.

    • Raggs

      What motivates the kind of thinking “never let a crisis go to waste”.?

      When you get intelligent enough to answer that than I would say that you have a point.

      • bob wire

        hmm? ~ cause and effect has been around awhile.

        why would anyone refuse to take advantage of a situation.

        When you brother falls you reach down to help him up or kick his ribs in.

        It’s an opportunity to build a bridge or burn one down.

        This has always been so and will continue to be so.

    • Vigilant

      “Given time, they will destroy themselves, without our help.”

      Please correct that to, “Given time, they will destroy themselves and the rest of the world.” The key word is “nuclear.”

      • DrSmythe

        I’ll bet they say the exact same thing about us. The great rationalization for any war: “Get them before they get us.”

        • http://deleted Claire

          “Do unto others before they do unto you.”

          • Carlucci

            Claire – This is the first thread with room to ask you a question about your dog. Is it a German Short Hair Pointer?

          • http://deleted Claire

            Carlucci: I have 8 German Shorthaired Pointers. Six are champions and I have 2 males to finish this year, hopefully.

  • TIME

    People,

    Let me just say this, (welcome you are watching as World War 3 starts its first stages.)
    We saw the first salvo just a few weeks back in Tunisia. As I noted you have wittnessed only the first salvos, this will all unfold within the next few years. There will be only one more Pope, he will not be a Pope for long.

    Also keep you’re eyes open for the ” PEACE MAKER” he will show himself very soon, he is not for PEACE, if you have done any study on this you know what I speak of.

    Also keep in mind in May 2011 here in the USA you’re drivers licence will no longer be valid. You will need to get a National ID #ed card.
    As far as I know this law has not been shut down, again if you have studied the signs, you will know of what I speak.

    Look into the crops issues all over the world, look into US reserves of crops, South American reserves of crops.

    • bob wire

      Interesting, and far reaching. It’s possible is all I’m left to say.

      But I certainly hope not!

      • TIME

        Bob,
        Not quite so far reaching when you look at the “whole picture,” not just a big picture. Read my comments below.

        • bob wire

          I am, I have and I see what you see.

          One hell of a nasty way to thin the herd.

    • 45caliber

      Time:

      What US reserve of crops? They quit stockpiling for bad times many years ago.

      • TIME

        45 cal
        You got my point.

        • TIME

          Oh, I also forgot to add, look into the “natural disasters world wide,” check into the issues of the expanding dessert in China?

          Look in to China’s growth rates as far as the growing Middel class.
          I just came back from China I have not been there in four years, I can’t begin to explain how much it changed.

          What do you all think this will mean for FOOD prices, and where the food stock will go? Let alone Gas Prices?

          Also really look into the US dollar’s value and what it will mean when we loose the reserve standard status.

          • bob wire

            speaking of which, Australia is about to get it’s nose blooded yet again.

            Largest cyclone in her history is bearing down on her as we speak. A coming in from the east with 185 miles per hour winds. ~ That’s one powerful storm. I’ve rode out a sustaining 10 hours of 130 mph winds before but this monster is a much larger beast.

          • Al Sieber

            Time, I hear what you’re saying, I’ve been following commodities for years, check out wheat and corn.

    • Karolyn

      I heard an interview with Bill Keller, Editor of the NY Times, this afternoon who believes that Wikileaks was a catalyst for the Tunisian uprising, fueling the fire by exposing the obscene riches of the powers-that-be in that country among other things.

  • DaveH

    Our problems don’t stem from far-away Governments, our problems stem from our own Parasitic State:
    http://mises.org/daily/4580

    • TIME

      Dave,

      How right you are!

    • bob wire

      Good read dave.

    • Vigilant

      DaveH,

      That was a long article, but well worth the read. The scary thing is the implied inevitability of the march toward parasitic government. Sadly, it appears that we have arrived there at last.

      • bob wire

        It was ! The author put into words things I’ve been thinking for sometime and didn’t know to say it.

  • 45caliber

    Oblama’s foreign policy is that if you pay them enough and if you tell them how great they are and how bad we are, they will be more than happy to give their citizens the same “rights” we have. But I think their leaders tend to think more of “rites” (burial) than “rights”. And he and his friends simply can’t understand anyone that says, “I’m taking over and everything is going to be done my way or I kill them all.” When they meet those people they still try to believe that their real cause is simply that we pay them more money or be more subserviant to them.

  • Karolyn

    I just heard a phone call on NPR from a Boston man who has been living in Cairo and was calling from the midst of the square. He said it was peaceful and composed of a cross-section of Egyptians, incuding scholars, Christians, Muslims, Americans, etc. and that he was not afraid at all. There is very little anti-American sentiment; and what there is is against US policies in general and not necessarily pointed at US support of Mubarak.

  • witness

    ONLY reason for American (or any other political authority) “Leaders” to NOT stand with the people of Egypt, is that people who hold power eventually succumb to its corruption. THIS IS WHY the Founders created a system in which powers were separated, and offices held were temporary. The original intent (in the unique American way of doing government) was that a hard-working citizen could temporarily serve his community or nation by running for an elected office, bring his knowledge/experience/integrity to the station, and then RETURN to his career and homestead and NORMAL life as a tax-paying citizen.

    But now that we’ve succeeded in rendering Congress a USELESS & POWERLESS organization, and creating a culture of “career politicians” here in America – we see a hesitancy to embrace popular movements towards freedom around the world. Why? Simple – because those who currently sit entrenched in the halls of power here look with lust & jealousy at the Egyptian President. We have devils here who dream of an America where a President can preside for 30 years!

    We no longer cry out against the injustices and human right violations in China. We have forgotten Tienmen Square. We have forgotten the taste of Freedom.

    Just curious – besides just wanting a new President, what do the Egyptians want? I have yet to hear anything really cohesive. Am I just missing it? It’s the chaotic aspect that could turn ugly fast, if there’s no coherent vision set forth.

  • chuckb

    what u.s.policies are they complaining about? not enough stimulus money? aounds like tehran 1979, sounds like the u.s.media 1979, barry sounds like carter 1979.
    i think mubarack should have the army crack down on the protesters run the muslim brotherhood back to kenya and ship tons of rice and goat heads laced with saltpeter for the population.

    • Karolyn

      I think they want what we want – for the USA to stay out of their business!

      • Vigilant

        Ironically, the only hope for a peaceful transition lies with the Egyptian military, an organ funded to a great degree and supported by the USA. In the absence of this strong military alliance, Egypt would no doubt go to the dogs (Muslim Brotherhood).

  • Karolyn

    Mubarak has just announced that he will not run again when the elections are held later in the year. He is stepping down. Wonder if it’s quick enough for the people. Hopefully, they will accept it. Sounds like a win for them.

    • http://deleted Claire

      Karolyn–Great. But later in the year?? Why not now!!

      • Karolyn

        Well, you know, Claire, it seems that it might be the best idea to wait for a vote instead of having somebody just jump in and take over. This gives time for campaigning and coming up with suitable candidates.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Karolyn–True, but a lot of other things could happen during this time span.

          • Karolyn

            Well, we just have to wait and see how the announcement is viewed by the country. Listening to the reporting on NPR is great – a lot of viewpoints, not just reporters but regular people. I’m loving the stories of ordinary people, like the lady who said that last week she was throwing trash in the street, and today she’s sweeping trash up in the streets. Reminds me of Woodstock! We can only hope the will of the people is recognized and realized.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn: Did you go to Woodstock? I didn’t my kids were too little although it intrigued me, and kinda scared me at the same time.

          • Karolyn

            No, I didn’t make it, but I did get to Watkins Glen the following year, which was much like Woodstock. It probably had evern more people than Woodstock but was not recognized as much. I also went to another big festival at Mt. Pocono in PA during that same period. Those were the days!

          • bob wire

            yea, I missed Woodstock too. but

            The boys in the jungle had me ~ on the run.

            When something heavy hit me ~ like a atomic bomb

            When I woke up and head started to clear

            I had a strange feeling I was in cook’in gear.

            Meanwhile back in the states

            It was Woodstock and free love.

            Hate I missed the party but I had prior commitments

            with mesquites that could lift a man off the ground.

          • http://deleted Claire

            bob wire–Thank you for your service in the military. Everyone should know by now that I support our troops, wherever they are, whatever the situation, always and forever.

          • bob wire

            Thanks Claire, but the honor was mine to have.

            I just hate I missed the big party and all the free “stuff”.

            I had a lot of catching up to do when I got home. But I found home and

            people so confusing when I returned.

            Bright lights, fast moving cars, people wearing all these weird color cloths and refusing to walk in single file.

            It’s truly amazing how the human mind can acclimate to adverse conditions.

            It took a few years to really blend back in.

            I worry about today’s soldiers and when they come home.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob wire,
            The DR.s say thats the reason we had such a larger number of PTSD cases. The vets from WW2 spent time on a boat and had time to unwind with guys of their own experience where as the vets from RVN were in the jungles today and on city streets tomorrow! Same with all the action since!!

  • Karolyn

    Another interview right now. The caller in Cairo describing the festival-like atmosphere in the square. People climbing all over the tanks, singing, dancing, picnicking and having fun. “Every walk of life” has been represented in the demonstration. A Muslim and Christian cleric were hoisted up, and there was chanting and singing about the Bible among other hopeful things going on. If this is any indication of the climate of the whole country, sure sounds good to me!

    • bob wire

      It’s way to early to break out in joyful song on this one. The Fat Lady has yet to sing.

      • Karolyn

        I agree, Bob; however, it’s nice to hear somthing good once in a while; and I like to beat the drum a little.

        • bob wire

          I understand Karolyn, me too!

          This is a very big deal that’s happening today~ and there are many that would like to see it go bad. Anything is well inside the boundaries of probability as this point. I can’t sing for holding my breath!

          • http://deleted Claire

            bob wire–Yes, this is good but he wants to finish out his term–that is not good. He should leave now. Too much can happen from now until September.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            An auful lot could happen if a pretender to the throne was to just jump in as well!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            JoeH–You have a good point, sometimes with these countries they have a tendency to replace one bad person with another. I hope this doesn’t happen with Egypt.

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Patriotic says

    Underneath the pyramid of the one dollar bill in latin reads Novus Ordo Seclorem. Believe the last 2 letters are em, unclear read.

  • Raggs

    Mubara(c)k is asked by barack not to run in the next election.
    Prehaps barack has a job lined up for Mubara(c)k?

  • ONTIME

    Our policy for the middle east has been slack and vacuous for the last three adminstrations, this adminstration is probably worse than Carters and far less upfront about any of the policy or dealings, Jimmy “the peanut” was just administratively inept and Iran made him look like the fool he keeps on proving himself to be, Barry and his mob are just pain dishonest and have no intention of deviating from that course until they find that there is little reward for being found out.

    Now Barry can lose Egypt to the muslim brother-hoods and then the real fun begins, attacks on Israel, other subversions of the middle east, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qutar, the Emirates and the joining of insanity with the nuts in Iran. This may not be a sure fire thing as I speak but Barry is a crooked klutz and if there is a way to miss your butt when trying to grab it, Barry and his mob of lying incompetents will miss their butts with both hands….trust me on this.

    The way to solving this is to remove our incompetents a known factor. he is looked upon as a laughable weakling among the worlds leadership, and that is dictators included. We need leadership who will quietly and firmly re-establish a line of communication and are not afraid to make real life decisions like adults. Lead like this country has a real future and do not apologize for putting the umph back in our punch. We are the top consumer in this world and we can make your country wealthy by spending our wealth to buy what you have if we want it and a military well trained to protect and assault. Barry the uncredentialed has not realized how much trouble he is in or causes but something tells me he is not going to be the rich or famous guy he wants to be.

  • bob wire

    you know the one thing I find unsettling?

    The “protesters” that I have seen, appear young, health and well dressed.

    Not poor, weather worn and down trodden as one might expect to see or find with consideration of their grievance.

    But these are only my eyes talking and everything can’t be seen with the eyes.

    But never the less, I find it worthy of comment at this early time in this event.

    I also have concerns with this “black-out” as I feel communication to all interest crucial, with it may well hurt, it too can greatly help.

    The fear of the unknown and uncertain is just amplified. Any movement or gesture can easily be misinterpreted,triggering a bad response.

    People that feel cornered and threatened will attack hell with a bucket of ice water.

    • 45caliber

      It was the same with the Shah. The poor are too worried about their next meal to have time to go protest. It is the younger people, the middle class. All revolt comes through the middle class. And usually because they are jealous of what others have. And, more than likely, like Iran, when Komeani took over he had all of those who ran out the Shah and welcomed him inducted into the military and used as living shields for his better people when he warred against Iraq. I suspect the new government when one takes over in Egypt will do the same thing to those now protesting.

      • bob wire

        We share much the same dark thoughts on this matter. I don’t believe my eyes deceive me.

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Patriotic says

    Does anyone have any idea why that latin phrase is on the one dollar bill since it translates to One World Order?

  • Henry Ledbetter

    The whole world seems to be in a rush to get to Armageddon and they very well may make it in the near future. The Lord has placed Israel in the land as promised and no matter what, ISRAEL WILL NOT BE DESTROYED..

    • bob wire

      And some comfort is to be found in that?

      I never understood that message.

      I’m neither Arab, Hebrew or Jew.

      Why can’t I be one of the Chosen Ones?

      I know! I’ll chose me! I feel better already.

      • 45caliber

        If you are Christian, you ARE one of the Chosen Ones. The ones that Jesus chose when he came.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Your Right 45, that fact, an being better prepared is a solace at this time.

    • Al Sieber

      Henry, God meant the spiritual Israel, not the country.

  • Raggs

    The similar issues with Egypt and our country…
    Mubarak has been in power for 30 years as a dictator, We have “elected” elite that have been in power in this country for well over 40 years.

    There is really no difference…

    • TIME

      Raggs,

      A Very valid point!

      • bob wire

        First I’ve heard about Jimmy being considered elite!

        won’t he be proud!

        • Raggs

          He feels as if he needs to spread the peanut butter.
          obama feels as if he needs to spread the jelly.

          • Raggs

            We the people are holding the bread to glue it all together that obama feels as if he needs.

            It is without a doubt social justice…

        • 45caliber

          He’s always considered himself that.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Egypt’s people are sick of a 30 year reign of Mubarek, they uprise in protest, and while the Country is vulnerable, then the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups, begin to rear they’re ugly head!_ At’s my idea of Courage, there baby, kickem’ when they’re down?!
    I feel so bad for the Egyptian people. But this is they’re Country and America needs to stay out of it!!!!!””” The Egyptian people have to do, what is best for them. We can suppor them & watch from here.
    For ANYONE to say Mubarek is NOT a Dictator, apparently hasn’t had the pleasure of living on, a measley $1800 a year wage. While Mubarek wears a nice suit & tie and looks as if he eats very well. $1800 a year, No wonder those people are starving, its a damn crime and a shame!

    “America needs to shut up and stay the hell out of Egypts affairs!!!!
    What good would it do, for leaders from our Free American Republic(I say that with tongue in cheek) to go over to Egypt, to try to solve a dictatorial problem?__
    We can say its wrong it’s this, or its that__BUT
    Sadly and the bottom line is….This is all part of a master plan as the NWO unfolds.

    • Dan az

      Hey Angel
      Last week, a senior Egyptian diplomat stated the Egyptian government suspects elements of the current uprising there, particularly political aspects, are being coordinated with the U.S. State Department and Obama administration.

      The senior Egyptian diplomat told WND the Mubarak regime suspects the U.S. has been aiding protest planning by Mohamed ElBaradei, who is seen as one of the main opposition leaders in Cairo.

      ElBaradei, former International Atomic Energy Agency chief, has reinvented himself as a campaigner for “reform” in Egypt. He is a candidate for this year’s scheduled presidential elections.

      ElBaradei arrived in Cairo just after last week’s protests began and is reportedly being confined to his home by Egyptian security forces.

      He is seen as an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood.

      This past weekend, the London Telegraph reported the U.S. embassy in Cairo in 2008 helped a young dissident attend a U.S.-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

      The Telegraph would not identify the dissident, but said he was involved in helping to stir the current protests. The report claimed the dissident told the U.S. embassy in Cairo that an alliance of opposition groups had a plan to topple Mubarak’sgovernment.

      The disclosures, contained in U.S. diplomatic dispatches released by the WikiLeaks website, show American officials pressed the Egyptian government to release other dissidents who had been detained by the police.

      The White House has been almost openly championing the unrest in Egypt.

      Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called for an “orderly transition” to democracy in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood is the main opposition group.

      Obama reportedly voiced support for an “orderly transition” in Egypt that is responsive to the aspirations of Egyptians in phone calls with foreign leaders, the White House said.

      Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough, speaking in a White House webcast, also urged the government and protesters in Egypt to refrain from violence.

      Egyptian officials speaking to WND, however, warned the Muslim Brotherhood has the most to gain from any political reform.

      Read more: U.S. ‘held secret meeting with Muslim Brotherhood’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=258405#ixzz1Clr8S6CP

  • Raggs

    Do not pitty Egypt lest you fall into the trap…

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Raggs, Read my last statement!

      • Raggs

        Yup.. I had no intention of pointing fingers at you.

        I simply make a true statement of the course of a reality.

        Regardless of what everyone on this site may or may not believe at their wish… I will however point to the one thing that we will all face.

        We have a peanut butter president ( as some will insist on calling him )… A man of nothing but imposing restrictions upon the very country “he” was sworn to protect. ( what a joke).. ( not laughing )… I see this as one way…

        Uphold this nation of freedom or get the hell out! and that means obama!

  • chuckb

    angel

    we cannot sit by and let egypt fall into an islamic state. in 1979 carter sided with the opposition to the shah and you see where that got us. all we heard on the news was how bad the shah regime was and at the same time ambassador ramsey clark, former attorney general under johnson was doing his best to undermine the shah and assist the radical khomenhi establish his foothold back in iran. thirty years later and still killing americans when they can, iran is a hell hole. now we are doing the same thing to egypt, these protesters who are claimed to be setting on top of the tanks and singing while demonstrating are most likely students following the muslim brotherhood. this time we will end up in a war protecting israel, who knows maybe the barrle of armageddon. we should assist mubarak in some way without taking an active part. these people will never be a democracy, they sure as hell can be another iran.

    • Raggs

      Do we stick our big fat butt into a pile?… No matter if we do it will still be a pile.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Off the subject but here goes. In this morning’s newpaper, there was a half-page ad from the state of New Jersey. It read: “Had enough of outrageous tax increases? Choose New Jersey-We mean business.” The next paragraph said: “If you agree that taxes on job creation should be reduced, not increased by as much as 66%, then your business belongs in New Jersey where we are lowering taxes, reducing the size of government and eliminating regulations. We’re making a difference as we change the direction of our business climate and I know we can make a difference for your business.” Gov. of New Jersey, Chris Christie.
    Illinois is being flooded with these ads.

    • Raggs

      Oh glad to see jersey grew a pair.

      I’m still having trouble with “o” getting billions from unknown sources.. you know for the up coming so called “election”.

    • Carlucci

      I saw him (Governor Christie) on Sixty Minutes. He has enraged the state teachers union, among other unions. He was giving a speech at what looked like a school auditorium and a teacher stood up to chastise him that he wasn’t “compensating her enough for her work and her education”. He told her if she felt that way, she needed to go look for another job. LOL – !! I fell out over that one. I can only remember two or three really good teachers while I was in school and I attended a school district that was in the top five in the nation at the time (late sixties & early seventies). Most of the time I thought public “school” was a joke and a total snore fest. Teachers were clearly just going through the motions and could have cared less. The only classes I really enjoyed were English Lit and French.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I graduated from high school in 1959. I loved school, and I know I had good teachers. I remember them all very well. When I was in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th grades I went to a country school. Mrs. Cowhick was my teacher and I got mad at her one day and locked her in the outhouse. Boy, did I get my butt spanked. I remember when I came down with scarlet fever and diptheria at the same time, she mailed me two nickels in a card. I thought I had won the lottery. That was also the best Christmas I ever had because everyone thought I was going to die. Well, I fooled them!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Carlucci,
        I have told this before but it goes with what you say well.
        We had a teacher here for first graders that just sat the kids in front of the TV most of the day. Well it seems one of the parents asked her son what he did in school and he just said “watched TV.” When she asked what else he said that was all. She called a few of the parents and we went to the principle and complained. They told her that if it didn’t stop she would be let go. Well, it seems she did it again and when we went to the president of the board of education this time, he said his hands were tied cause if they fired her the union had already said they would go on strike. IN MID-YEAR!!!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Who didn’t see this coming ? irans up to it’s eyeballs in all of this. One giant step closer to Armagedon. When oil hits $150 a barrel will we be allowed to drill our own wells?

  • http://deleted Claire

    A dirty secret finally brought to the forefront of news: Following the 2010 Olympic games in British Columbia, 100 sled dogs were slaughtered and dumped into a mass grave, some still alive and trying to climb out. Some of these dogs were shot repeatedly, and others had their throats slashed. Good grief, what kind of people would commit such an atrocious act? I call this evil. I cannot believe the acts of cruelty not only to animals but to human beings. What is this world coming to? I am disgusted and fed up with acts of this nature. I have donated to the Olympics in the past, I will no longer give them one cent.

    • libertytrain

      Claire – that is unbelievably horrific. This has to be told – and the Olympics Committee needs to respond and prevent anything like this from occurring again. I wonder if it was one country that did this – and which one/ones.

      • http://deleted Claire

        libertytrain—So far all I know is that it happened in British Columbia.

        • http://deleted Claire

          libertytrain and Carlucci–You may not like this but I heard it from my son–he reads the news on TV–from all sources–he found out this information from the Huffington Post. (No, Tim is not a Liberal–he is like me regarding politics and perhaps that is not good!). I am going to go on the Internet and check it our further. I am not subscribed to Huffington Post but maybe I can find out more.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Okay, I got on the Internet–typed:

            Olympics–British Columbia-sled dogs killed

            there is a whole bunch of sites regarding this. Check them out. Thanks.

          • http://deleted Claire

            I got on the Internet again, pulled up a couple of sites—one site referred to it as a “bloodbath.” I did not want to read anymore. It just makes me sick at heart.

          • libertytrain

            thanks Claire, I will.

    • Carlucci

      Claire, I did not know this and it just makes me sick – !!! Who could do something so awful to such a wonderful creature as the dog? Oh wait – abortion is still legal. That’s the kind of people who could do this.

      I’ve never donated to the Olympics and will file this info away in my memory bank if I’m ever asked for a donation. I told the Red Cross to stick it after I found out they set up a booth and SOLD sandwiches and cold drinks on/after 9-11. The Salvation Army arrived and gave away sandwiches, cold drinks, blankets, umbrellas, etc., FREE. World Net Daily exposed the Red Cross in a series of articles right after 9-11. Now I always donate to the Salvation Army, and our local food bank and homeless shelter.

      The last time I took my dog to the vet, I met a German Shorthair Pointer. What a gorgeous fellow he was, and very sweet.

      I used to have two AKC female basset hounds – Phoebe and Chloe. They have both departed to Rainbow Bridge. I still have my large red mixed breed (shepherd, chow, golden, collie) street orphan. He is wonderful. But I sure miss my precious big boned gals…..

      • http://deleted Claire

        Carlucci– I know exactly what you mean about our dogs. They are precious and a constant source of amusement. My dogs are sweet, and lovey dovey and yet they can be little screwballs but that is o.k. We have a foot of snow along with a lot of ice so far. Wonder what tomorrow morning will look like! Anyway, my dogs love the snow. But with the ice I only let one out at a time, I don’t want anyone to get hurt, falling, doing the splits, etc.
        I also know what you mean about abortion being legal. I do not approve of that either. In all honesty, I cannot understand how any woman could kill her baby. And the woman who killed her two kids because they were mouthy–that was in the newspaper this past week. It is a crazy world we live in.

        • Carlucci

          Yes it is a crazy world. I just saw a news report this morning on the Today Show. I usually don’t watch network t.v., but was walking past while they were talking about a mother who punished her two small children by putting hot sauce in their mouths and then making them take a cold shower. We are talking about six and seven year olds. I was beyond disgusted and sickened that someone would do such a thing. She is being brought up on child abuse charges, and for once state govt. is doing something right. I remembered that movie “Swimming with Sharks” where Kevin Spacey was the boss from hell. His assistant tied him up, made a bunch of paper cuts all over him and poured hot sauce all over the cuts. I think that sadistic “mom” should suffer the same treatment and see how she likes it.

          On a different note, I saw your post above about scarlet fever. I had scarlet fever when I was in the 10th grade, and have never been so sick in my life. I only weighed about 90 lbs. before I got sick, and then went down to 70 lbs. My parents were scared to death, but I survived. Glad you made it, too!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Several years ago, my husband and I were going through boxes of things that belonged to my mother. I came across my report cards from the “good old days.” In reading all of them I was a pretty good student! On one of the cards, when I was in 5th grade, I weighed 40 pounds. Unbelievable!

  • Raggs

    No answers to this?

    War as we know only compounds the issue without a lasting result and it makes enemies of and for those that have nothing but hate.

    Social justice as obama likes, only steals from everyone else to pay for his stupidness in order to appease, or at least buy some time in order for him to blame the next. ( he is out )… well Bush but who is counting.

    So here we are…

  • bob wire

    Off track, perhaps but can anyone explain this?

    “The Dow does it: The stock market’s best-known index soared to its first close above 12,000 since June 2008, extending the market’s recovery from the recession and financial crisis.

    Don’t forget the S&P 500: The Standard & Poor’s 500 had a milestone of its own. It closed above 1,300 for the first time since August 2008.”

    What does this mean? considering some Big Picture view?

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      BW, I would think it means_ a short term rally.

    • Raggs

      Yeah.. its called ponzi…

      If you remember just a few months ago we had a big gold buy “cash for gold” – junk gold as it was called – when the price of gold was 1/3 of what it is now… Yeah rush in and sell your “junk gold”..

      So how much did you sell at that time?

    • Raggs

      I hope that you may have had the insight to see that if you sold low and you buy high… well.

      Ponzi…

      • bob wire

        So who bought and who sold for the market to go up? Sounds like the chumps were buying from the way you present it.

        But what if the events in Egypt has triggered demands in a few industries that has brought the whole market up, is that possible?

        and no, I don’t buy such things as gold or anything I don’t fully understand or can’t use,eat,ride,drive or shoot. Trinkets for the ladies excluded of course.

        I might buy a nice 5 ton bucket truck or maybe a high quality or rare firearm (like a broom handle 9) or spare no expense on tires and batteries, maybe some high quality brass or fine steel to craft another cannon, or materials for fine wheels to make it pretty.

        Gold is well outside my league of play.

        I think that I am a true honest conservative, I’ve had to be, it was never by choice. Waste not, want not. But I don’t go insane with the idea and limit my family to three squares of towelette paper to wipe their bottom or encourage war when there is little being offered my country to gain or benefit if we won the damn thing! (unconditional surrender) or (checkmate) or pass.

  • Al Sieber

    Gold well be very volatile part of this year, up and down, they can’t control the market much longer, Goldman Sachs doesn’t have the physical gold to keep up.

    • Dan az

      Hey Al
      Check into what china has been buying,Lots of Gold so much that they emptied the coffers and are now buying up the assets of all the countries in the EU.Sorry I dont remember the site But I do remember It was last week on here that Richard S provided the site.

  • LoneStar

    First of all 250,000 protesters burning,looting and raping does not represent all of the people of egypt. I would think that the protesters are the minority of the people how about the majority of the people dont they have any say in this. There is a danger that the protests could lead to less, not greater liberty in egypt. There are powerful forces in the country that harbor Islamist goals that are incompatible with genuine democracy, including the anti western muslim brotherhood. Egypts biggest political group, the brotherhood will be positioned to hijack a revolt. One thing is for sure, obama offers virtually no support for the cries for FREEDOM.

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