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The OWS-Black Friday Connection

November 29, 2011 by  

The OWS-Black Friday Connection

The shopping mantra for American consumaholics this year is, “We know the future is hopeless, but we’re not going to allow the bad economy to ruin our holiday season.” If you doubt their determination to let the good times roll, just ask the crazed Black Friday shoppers who were pepper-sprayed at a Los Angeles Wal-Mart by a woman who wasn’t about to miss out on one of the most sought after necessities of life: an Xbox.

Of course, those who were merely pepper-sprayed got off easy. Being at Target, Best Buy, Wal-Mart or Kohl’s last weekend made Kandahar seem like a safe haven. During the three-day Thanksgiving shopping marathon, some consumaholics were punched, elbowed, stabbed and even shot. You have to admire the brave men and women who put themselves in harm’s way to get their fair share of discounted playthings that they desperately need to keep their gray matter anesthetized.

You could just picture many of them taking their electronic toys back to their Occupy Wall Street tents and falling into a peaceful slumber, thinking to themselves, “Mission accomplished.” And today, you can bet they’re right back on the front lines fighting those evil guys on Wall Street. You know, the ones who have given Barack Obama more money than any candidate in history.

If none of this phases you, try imagining what these lost souls will be like when they’re on the hunt for the basic necessities of life: little things like food, water and weapons. But that could be two or three years away; there’s no sense in their getting exercised about it right now. Today, focusing on discounted Xboxes takes all the energy they can muster.

I do not mean to imply that all Black Friday shoppers are Occupy Wall Streeters or that all Occupy Wall Streeters are Black Friday shoppers. But the two groups have at least three things in common: They are very materialistic, they are angry about what they don’t have and they have no qualms about resorting to mob violence.

When I use the word “materialistic,” I’m referring to wealth. To be clear, wealth is not what someone earns. Wealth is what someone “owns.” Wealth is comprised of cars, buildings, computers, television sets and iPods.

But wealth has to be created. It takes money, management and labor to produce all of those cars, buildings, computers, television sets and iPods. The predicament that America now finds itself in is that there’s a lot of money and management around, but not enough labor. At least, there’s not enough labor at a cost that allows companies to manufacture goods at prices consumers are willing to pay.

Of course, there’s plenty of labor in places like China, India, Pakistan, Ecuador, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Haiti, Thailand and many other countries. So it’s no mystery why these countries now produce a great deal of wealth.

The reason the Western world is broke is because it doesn’t have a workforce that is willing to work at wages that are competitive with non-Western nations. And the reason workers are unwilling to accept internationally competitive wages is because they can afford to be choosy. Unemployment benefits, food stamps and other forms of welfare remove the motivation to work at any job that is available to them, at whatever wage is being offered, in order to feed and clothe their families.

Speaking from personal experience, the two threats that motivated me to work so hard early in my career were homelessness and starvation. But these two factors no longer motivate people who are unemployed, because the government forces those with wealth to provide food, clothing and shelter to those who don’t have the necessities.

With these factors removed from the survival equation, people can afford to camp out at Best Buy, Target and Wal-Mart for days on end and elbow, stab, shoot and pepper-spray those who would stand in the way of their getting their fair share of stuff at the lowest possible prices.

There’s no way to prove it, but I’d be willing to bet that a disproportionate number of those who had nothing better to do than camp out in front of superstores for several days prior to Black Friday are classified as “poor” by the Federal government. But how in the world can poor people afford to go shopping for electronic toys?

That’s a good question. Here are some facts about people whom the Census Bureau defines as “poor” that may help to answer it:

  • Forty-three percent own their own homes.
  • Eighty percent have air conditioning in their homes.
  • Almost 75 percent of poor households have a car, and 31 percent have more than one.
  • Ninety-seven percent have a color television set and 62 percent have cable or satellite TV.
  • Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens.

Clearly, being poor in America is much better than being middle class in many countries. In fact, so-called poor people in the United States live as well as those in the median American household of the early 1970s. When you get right down to it, poverty is relative. But as the living standards of the poor rise, vote-hungry politicians simply make those rising standards the new baseline for poverty.

The problem is that the Western world — from Greece to California, from Italy to New York — is running out of wealth. That being the case, the masses are fully prepared to vote for politicians who will assure them that their benefits will not be cut — provided they aren’t drunk, stoned, dead or in jail on Nov. 6.

Now hear this: There is no constituency for cutting entitlements!

What does that mean? It means a worthless U.S. currency, which in turn means that, ultimately, the masses will not have the resources to take part in those midnight pepper-spray riots on Black Friday. And that’s when the Occupy Wall Street crowds will swell, and the anger and violence will ramp up to French Revolution proportions. Mob violence is already programmed into our future.

But, as I said, that probably won’t happen for at least several more years. In the meantime, eat, drink and be merry and enjoy the holiday season. And, for goodness sake, be sure to get an Xbox. When all hell breaks loose, you might just be able to get some OWS loon to take it in exchange for a 9 mm Glock — or at least a hunting knife.

Robert Ringer

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  • s c

    Occasionally, a certain type of eMail makes the rounds. It shows the strange universe of WalMart shoppers. Some of them look like men whose only purpose in life is to show their vertical, aft smile showing above the top of their jeans. Some women look as though they were poured into a pair of quivering, expanding spandex leotards. And then you get to the incredible color combinations and wigs and multiple clothing styles. Interesting stuff, but there’s never a paid commentator.
    Some may be human, and some are obviously from another planet. Looks can be deceiving, but it sure breaks up the monotony. So far, no Owsers have shown up. It seems Owsers don’t know smaller towns exist. I guess bigger towns make better soap box or soap opera moments.
    And, so far, no union thugs have shown up to load carts with frozen food and then abandon them. What that is supposed to show, other than proof that some people do escape from asylums.
    However, if union types do make the local scene to load and abandon carts, I’ll be there with camera, to get license plates and physical descriptions. No worthless, Soros-paid, sycophant SOB screws up my shopping adventure at WallyWorld and gets away with it.

    • wandamurline

      Oh they know smaller towns exist, but they also know that smaller towns won’t put up with their crap. It would not be a smart idea to try to camp out in our little town because the residents would probably physically escort them out with a warning not to return. The sourthern states doe not put up with as much of this idiotic behavior as places like New York City and California…but these states are lost to the unions and dead beats and illegals already…that is why they are about bankrupt.

      • w h richardson

        yeah buddy you folks did so well with human rights during the slave days, be real proud of that

        • FedUp

          W H Richardson, Get a life and get over the past. History is something to be studied so you do not repeat it in the future; it is not something to be lived in perpetuity. Slavery in this country ended long ago because it was wrong. There is not a single person alive in the south who was a slave or owned a slave. Pull your head out of your back side, wipe the excrement out of your eyes, and look around. There are lots of people in the country, the south included, who think people should work for what they get and get what they work for. Most of us are sick and tire of providing more and more hand outs to people who prefer to stay home and collect a check than go out and work. It seems our country has devolved into two types of people: those of us who work for a living, and those who vote for a living (and demonstrate and cause trouble between votes). It’s time to end the gravy train and reign in the government. They need to read and abide by the document they swore to uphold and defend: the Constitution!

          • Capitalist at Birth

            Amen to that!!!!!

          • DaveH

            Have you noticed how those, who are actually currently enslaving others by voting to take a lion’s share of their money, are brazen enough to blame us for actions taken by those in the past who may or may not have been even distantly related to us?
            Maybe it’s time to post this link again:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • libertytrain

            Obviously this Richardson character was alive and well and protesting back in that day…..or not as the case more than likely would have been in that time period.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Welcome Back friend! they were asking about you the other day. hope all is well and no health problems!

          • Phil D

            Yes indeed!! But do you suppose, somewhere along the way we might be able to hold “them” accountable for their actions, like the passage of S.B. 1867 (Senate Bill to OK Indefinite Detention of U.S. Citizens Without Charge, Trial).

            Check it out:
            http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/9956-senate-bill-to-ok-indefinite-detention-of-us-citizens-without-charge-trial

            It has been passed! Truly a sad day!!

        • Doug

          You must be talking about the Demorats and the Rino Republics which are just another branch of the Marzist and Communist. For you education there w h richardson are facts about the Demorats read it and next time you want to yell out racism and slavery tell it to your masters the Demorats and Rino Republics you frigin idiot!

          1. October 13, 1858
          During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee
          April 16, 1862
          Republican President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no
          July 17, 1862
          Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”
          January 31, 1865
          13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition
          April 8, 1865
          13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition
          November 22, 1865
          Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination
          February 5, 1866
          U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves
          April 9, 1866
          Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law
          May 10, 1866
          U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no
          June 8, 1866
          U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no
          January 8, 1867
          Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.
          July 19, 1867
          Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans
          March 30, 1868
          Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”
          September 12, 1868
          Civil rights activist Tunis Campbell and 24 other African-Americans in Georgia Senate, each one a Republican, expelled by Democrat majority; would later be reinstated by Republican Congress
          October 7, 1868
          Republicans denounce Democratic Party’s national campaign theme: “This is a white man’s country: Let white men rule”
          October 22, 1868
          While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan
          December 10, 1869
          Republican Gov. John Campbell of Wyoming Territory signs FIRST-in-nation law granting women right to vote and to hold public office
          February 3, 1870
          After passing House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition, Republicans’ 15th Amendment is ratified, granting vote to all Americans regardless of race
          May 31, 1870
          President U.S. Grant signs Republicans’ Enforcement Act, providing stiff penalties for depriving any American’s civil rights
          June 22, 1870
          Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South
          September 6, 1870
          Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell
          February 28, 1871
          Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters
          April 20, 1871
          Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans
          October 10, 1871
          Following warnings by Philadelphia Democrats against black voting, African-American Republican civil rights activist Octavius Catto murdered by Democratic Party operative; his military funeral was attended by thousands
          October 18, 1871
          After violence against Republicans in South Carolina, President Ulysses Grant deploys U.S. troops to combat Democrat terrorists who formed the Ku Klux Klan
          November 18, 1872
          Susan B. Anthony arrested for voting, after boasting to Elizabeth Cady Stanton that she voted for “the Republican ticket, straight”
          January 17, 1874
          Armed Democrats seize Texas state government, ending Republican efforts to racially integrate government
          September 14, 1874
          Democrat white supremacists seize Louisiana statehouse in attempt to overthrow racially-integrated administration of Republican Governor William Kellogg; 27 killed
          March 1, 1875
          Civil Rights Act of 1875, guaranteeing access to public accommodations without regard to race, signed by Republican President U.S. Grant; passed with 92% Republican support over 100% Democrat opposition
          January 10, 1878
          U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate guaranteed its approval in 1919. Republicans foil Democratic efforts to keep women in the kitchen, where they belong
          February 8, 1894
          Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote
          January 15, 1901
          Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans
          May 29, 1902
          Virginia Democrats implement new state constitution, condemned by Republicans as illegal, reducing African-American voter registration by 86%
          February 12, 1909
          On 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birth, African-American Republicans and women’s suffragists Ida Wells and Mary Terrell co-found the NAACP
          May 21, 1919
          Republican House passes constitutional amendment granting women the vote with 85% of Republicans in favor, but only 54% of Democrats; in Senate, 80% of Republicans would vote yes, but almost half of Democrats no August 18, 1920
          Republican-authored 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, becomes part of Constitution; 26 of the 36 states to ratify had Republican-controlled legislatures
          January 26, 1922
          House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster
          June 2, 1924
          Republican President Calvin Coolidge signs bill passed by Republican Congress granting U.S. citizenship to all Native Americans
          October 3, 1924
          Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention
          June 12, 1929
          First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country
          August 17, 1937
          Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation
          June 24, 1940
          Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it
          August 8, 1945
          Republicans condemn Harry Truman’s surprise use of the atomic bomb in Japan. The whining and criticism goes on for years. It begins two days after the Hiroshima bombing, when former Republican President Herbert Hoover writes to a friend that “The use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul.”
          September 30, 1953
          Earl Warren, California’s three-term Republican Governor and 1948 Republican vice presidential nominee, nominated to be Chief Justice; wrote landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education
          November 25, 1955
          Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel
          March 12, 1956
          Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation
          June 5, 1956
          Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law
          November 6, 1956
          African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President
          September 9, 1957
          President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act
          September 24, 1957
          Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, Republican President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools
          May 6, 1960
          Republican President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats
          May 2, 1963
          Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights
          September 29, 1963
          Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School
          June 9, 1964
          Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act led by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who served in the Senate until his death in 2010. At Byrd’s funeral, former Democrat President Bill Clinton said, “He once had a fleeting association with the Ku Klux Klan, what does that mean? I’ll tell you what it means. He was a country boy from the hills and hollows from West Virginia. He was trying to get elected. And maybe he did something he shouldn’t have done come and he spent the rest of his life making it up. And that’s what a good person does. There are no perfect people. There are certainly no perfect politicians.”
          June 10, 1964
          Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.
          August 4, 1965
          Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose. Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor
          February 19, 1976
          Republican President Gerald Ford formally rescinds Democrat President Franklin Roosevelt’s notorious Executive Order authorizing internment of over 120,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII
          September 15, 1981
          Republican President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs
          June 29, 1982
          Republican President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act
          August 10, 1988
          Republican President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR
          November 21, 1991
          Republican President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation
          August 20, 1996
          Bill authored by U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) to prohibit racial discrimination in adoptions, part of Republicans’ Contract With America, becomes law
          And let’s not forget the words of liberal icon Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood and someone Hillary Clinton has said is one of her heroes. Sanger said, “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population….”

          • Capitalist at Birth

            I certainly hope that everybody reads this historical reminder of where Republicans have stood and still stand. Thank You.

          • eddie47d

            Yes the Democrats were arrogant and downright evil SOB’s in the past on racial issues. Why has the rolls been reversed and done so rapidly. I’m more concerned about what is going on now not 60 years ago. The Republicans have become the old Democrats.

          • Karolyn

            eddie – My thoughts exactly.

          • DaveH

            Some reality on the slavery issue:
            http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=312

          • Bellagram

            Those old Democrats were known as Dixiecrats, and after the civil rights acts went through, they left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. If you want to cover history, cover all of it.

          • TomP

            Or like how the Democrats have enslaved millions by making them dependent on the gov’t for thier daily bread.

          • Kate8

            eddie – That is such pure liberal propaganda.

            Setting aside for a moment the treasonous crop of weasels who’ve occupied the Congressional halls for some time now, Republicans are not now, nor have ever, stood for racism. That is nonsense put out by the Left to keep minorities enslaved to them. Lies. All lies.

            The only reason minorities stick with the dems is because they are the ones offering the handouts. Handouts come with a price…ownership. Handouts only breed laziness and a sense of entitlement, not to mention anger, because it can never be enough. That is the whole idea.

            The Right believes in showing and encouraging people to do for themselves, so they do not have to be dependent on others. This is the ONLY way to be free and have self-respect. The Democrats are not so filled with compassion…entitlements are a path to power. Period.

            There is nothing admirable about forcing people to give money to the less productive. These people are not entitled to help…it should be an act of charity, not a way of life. Confiscation only leads to resentment and more class division, and the rich will always find ways around it. Just look at how the most wealthy (including Obama) give next to nothing in charitable donations, and pay little in taxes.

            No, eddie. The Left has not done the poor any favors. They’ve succeeded in maintaining a permanent underclass, whom they only ever intended to use to help facilitate the economic and social collapse.

            Congratulations. You’ve succeeded.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – you were being looked for on this site yesterday I think it was. Apparently people missed you. I would think that’s a compliment :) I think it might have been Old Henry and a few others.

          • eddie47d

            Stop patting yourself on the back Kate 8 we all know how great you are. Enough already! I could just as easily point out the faults of the Republican Party on the racial issue. I admit the Democrats are not without fault but you are too full of it to admit anything the Republicans are guilty of. Apparently that condrum is alive and well.

          • vicki

            Eddie47d writes:
            “I could just as easily point out the faults of the Republican Party on the racial issue. ”

            Bring it on. We are waiting. I notice that higher up you and Karolyn commented on how the Republican party has become the old democrat party. However unlike Doug, who gave a detailed history lesson of democrat abuses, you didn’t bother to even offer an un-cited example of your bald assertion.

          • Kate8

            eddie – One more thing. If you think the Repubs have become the old Dems (which is not so far off in many respects), just what has the democrat party become today?

            I’ll tell you what. They’ve become the socialist/communist party. They’ve become the party of inverted morality, embracing every form of deviance and depravity. They’ve become the party of increasing conrol and regulation of EVERYTHING we do and even think. They control our dismal education system, which is destroying our kids.

            I could go on, but it’s all been said many times.

            I’ll admit that the leaders of the Right aren’t much better. They are all corrupt. The democrats just flaunt corruption, in the name of their “new morality”, which is really just immorality.

          • Speak2Truth

            I am always amused when the Left say “I could point out the faults of the Republicans…” but don’t.

            Kate8 is at the top of my Heroes list along with Doug.

            What astonishes me is the willingness of the “useful idiots” to believe the BS being foisted on them by the Left. They need only be fed a simple slogan like “Republicans and Democrats switched places on the race issue” to accept it, believe it and keep repeating it, without thought, without comprehension. No wonder Lenin laughed at them.

            So did this guy:

            Yuri Bezmenov – KGB explains psychological warfare inside US, demoralization
            http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov

            Every American, especially you folks falling for the Leftist manipulations, need to watch that video and understand what the former KGB agent is laughing about.

          • eddie47d

            Hold on there Speak. I have brought up the faults of the Republican Party too many times to count and didn’t think it was a necessity to keep bring up it up. I have also brought up things I disagree with on the Democrat Party especially welfare dependency. We get off the subject so much that it all seemed useless to keep harping on. Why would Kate be your hero when she lied about Republican involvement? Now I do defend the Democrats and Kate defends the Republicans but that doesn’t make either parties saints.

          • Kate8

            eddie – Wow. You really need to get a grip. I lied about Repubicans? Where? Defended them? Where? I said I think they are ALL corrupt. You seem to lack something in comprehension, or else you just don’t read closely.

            Obviously, I push some of your buttons. Heh heh.

            You and you Lefty pals really should watch Speak2Truth’s video link. You just might learn something important. The clowns you like to support will turn on you in due time.

          • John Lilleburns ghost

            Politically I am neither left or right. I do hope I judge things on their merits and by what I see or hear

            What is I find that the majority of people who:

            1- Call black people n****rs etc.
            2- Call Mexican’s s***s etc.
            3- Refer to Gay people as f******s etc.
            4- Are generally mean spirited haters who resent anyone getting something they are not.

            Identify themselves as Right Wing/Republicans. Are all Republicans like this; No of course not. Do any Democrats act in this repugnant fashion; Yes. .

            I couldnt give a s88t about history, events are always relative to the time they occured in. However my experience is that currently the vast majority of racist biggots are to the Right politically and thats the main reason most minorities of any persuation vote with the democrats. Its nothing to do without hand-outs its about knowing who your enemy is. Rightly you are judged by the company you keep

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Yes, you have brought up the faults of the republican party ad nauseum!!! the only difference is Kate8 uses sources to PROVE her complaints on the DEMS!!!! In contrast, you very seldom, if ever, use sources other than huff-po to prove ANYTHING!!!

          • eddie47d

            I Have never read the Huff Post you ignorant MORON Joe. That also make you a fabrication liar and a typical right winger.What did I tell you about not presenting evidence only more ignorant comments?? You are such a boneheaded loser!!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            you are right and I appologiyou NEVER show proof!! Sorry!!!

          • Joe H.

            darn computer, that should read “I appologize. You NEVER post proof!!!

        • http://PersonalLivingDigest Ken from Colorado

          Wow you sound like a real IDOT.

    • Bob M

      If Obama wanted to do something truely constructive, he should enact minimum standards for the wearing of spandex. That’s an executive order I could support

    • eddie47d

      You’re not even comical SC although you keep trying. So many petty connections that never really connect. Try telling the truth someday and stop being so thuggish and acting like you are coming off of a binge!

      • JeffH

        eddie…as if you even knew the difference between the truth, a lie or fiction…Your lies are well known and well documented…HYPOCRIT!

        • Opal the Gem

          eddie is just mad he didn’t get in the first comment.

        • eddie47d

          Jeff’s distortions of the truth are very well known and apparently is hitching a ride on SC’s false claims.

          • JeffH

            But eddie…what false claims? While you’re very good at making accusations, you’re a complete failure at supportig said accusations with anything other than rhetoric. Two plus years and you continue down the same unsupported path.

          • DaveH

            Seek Help, Eddie, if for no other reason than the well-being of your grandchildren.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            I think 95% of the people here on this site would back up JeffH on his claim of your distortions, exaggerations, stretching the truth, and down right LIES, if asked!!! Give it up sonny, you’re on very thin ice!!

          • eddie47d

            I’m still standing and you sank a long time ago Joe with your cheap remarks.

        • patriot67

          Right on JeffH!

        • eddie47d

          What you say about me is a lie in itself and you have been spreading that lie for some time now. Your game playing has long passed the threshold of decency and smells like week old garbage.

          • JeffH

            eddie, it’s way past time for you to accept your fate as a bald faced liar…as you well know, your lying has been documented and re-posted on multiple occasions and if you continue to deny it I’ll re-post them over and over again. That is a fact!

          • JeffH

            FYI and just for you, a 20-0 loser to boot!

            August 21, 2011 at 1:49 pm
            You said this, Eddie, you lying slanderer — “We do see Jeff and Dave H. making personal threats (mostly mocking) against those they disagree with. That is everyday right Dave?”.
            Here is the link to the comment where Eddie said that:
            http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/downgrading-obama/#comment-524269

            -August 19, 2011 at 7:27 pm
            If someone is not a Libertarian (according to Jeff and maybe Jana)they have to be a communist. There is certainly nothing wrong with being a Libertarian except for the arrogance that flows from some of it’s members mouths.

            -August 20, 2011 at 11:25 pm
            We do see Jeff and Dave H. making personal threats (mostly mocking) against those they disagree with. That is everyday right Dave?

            -August 21, 2011 at 11:39 am
            Dave H can be a liar and a slanderer.As a matter of fact Jeff can also be a liar and a slanderer. You keep on doing it so I will assume the rest of us will have to put up with your occasional “fib”. I love when Dave says he didn’t say something when the words are right there in print. I may be misinterpreted in what I say but I won’t say that it wasn’t my words like Dave does.

            -August 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
            WE(Eddie believes he speaks for everyone else) means everyone on this site Jeff or do you live in a bubble? Am I a liar? Apparently you think so and shout it from the roof top. If someone says something you don’t like doesn’t make that person a liar. If you can’t come up with a comment that proves me wrong then there is no lie. The lie would only be in your hurt feelings when you can’t prove me wrong.You slash and burn with slander(calling me a liar) instead of presenting the “correct answer” or don’t you have any correct answers from your own thoughts.

            -Now eddie lies again and denies it after being proven a liar!
            eddie47d says:
            September 16, 2011 at 11:23 am
            I see Jeff is still playing his silly troll game of hysterical nonsense. I don’t know if a doctor has a cure for your malaise but seek help. Now once again since I didn’t lie that makes you the liar.Now can you wrap your tiny mind around that?

            -eddie47d says:
            August 21, 2011 at 11:30 am
            An opinion can be a fact or just an opinion on a subject. What should we call your “opinions” Song? Maybe you are too “opinionated” to answer that.

            -Eddie says: September 29, 2011 at 3:20 pm
            You never prove me a liar even though you keep insisting it’s true.

            - October 12, 2011 at 12:41 pm
            The difference Jibbs is that I present facts each and everyday and SC never provides any. So get off your high horse and quit lying. Now if you don’t like my facts then disagree with them but don’t call me a liar until you do so. You are one sad lonely puppy in making up stories.

            -October 12, 2011 at 6:40 pm
            I do prove you wrong and you respond with childish nonsense. Polly Want A Cracker or some other ridiculous BS. You hide you dishonesty with more frivolous spiced up crap.

          • JeffH

            …eddie…this comment is just another lie to be documented just like all of the others!

            - eddie47d says:
            November 29, 2011 at 3:09 pm

            What you say about me is a lie in itself and you have been spreading that lie for some time now. Your game playing has long passed the threshold of decency and smells like week old garbage.

          • Kate8

            JeffH – I wouldn’t even waste my time trying to prove anything to eddie, especially if it concerns himself. He’s to the point of being laughable.

            Every time he responds to one of my posts, he makes a nasty slur. Who cares. It just shows what a miserable creature he is.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, you are correct. Every once in a while he needs a solid dose of reality which he knows is the truth despite his oft-childish denial and his totally hypocritical responses and demeanor.

          • eddie47d

            Why do you believe Jeff,Kate? Go ahead and read all for there is no lies> Only fabrications brought up by Jeff. Just because he is dishonest and spreads falsehoods doesn’t make it true. If Jeff or Dave or anyone else mocks me or someone else and I call them out that is not a lie and Jeff only assumes so. You notice he never prints the comments that I was referring to in his little charade.That in it’s self is dishonest so he must be trying to become a politician.

          • Kate8

            eddie, eddie, eddie. You really have a lot of nerve asking me to take your side after all the nasty remarks you’ve made to and about me, even just these past couple of days.

            Actually, I couldn’t care less what you guys argue about. What I do know is that you make a lot of assumptions which you try to peddle as facts.

          • eddie47d

            We seem to be accusing each other of the same thing.

  • Jon

    A very inflammatory article. But that’s what sells I guess…

    Anyhow. I can agree with the gist of the article, Americans are spoiled by a high standard of living, the poor think they are poorer than they are… thanks in no part to 30 years of programming such as lifestyles of the rich and famous, and MTV cribs, like Tyler Duden says, everyone thinks they will grow up to be rock stars in America.

    Two things though.

    1. Say what you will about ows, perhaps some of them are bitter and materialistic, but initially their movement was a protest against the government to quit bailing out banks and big businesses. What it has morphed into, I do not know.

    2. Can Americans really survive on the equivalent of what a Chinese worker or Indian worker make? A 4 pack of macaroni and cheese is $7, a freaking top ramen noodle is up to $1.25, entirely unrealistic. In those countries they can afford to support a family in the country on $150 a month…that would still require government assistance here.

    Still I understand the I tentional inflmatpry nature of the article. Nice piece.

    • alexa

      @Jon, What would the mac/cheese cost if one actually used ingredients that aren’t packaged in packages?
      There once was a time people actually bought potatoes, raw veggies, meat, etc. and actually made a meal, versus microwave the dish in the plastic bag it came in.

      • Alex Frazier

        I have a family of six. It costs more to buy the raw ingredients. In fact, when we have asparagus or brocoli cheese soup, we’re splurging if we buy the fresh vegetables vs. canned or frozen.

        • Mike

          Agreed. Raw ingredients cost much, much more than the pre-packaged stuff. And the cheap stuff is unhealthy for you. Americans can not live on $5.00 a day. We will not have any jobs created here until our standard of living equals the rest of the world’s. When all workers in the world make the same, then we will be happy. Until then, we are screwed. I personally believe we are headed for another major world war. It is a way for the powers-that-be to maintain a little crowd control and jump-start some lagging economies. Call me crazy, but I predict that within a year we will be in a MAJOR conflict in the Middle-East.

          • larry

            Mike! you may be a communist and not know it. If everyone made the same money, what would the money be worth. Not much I am afraid. The problem with American people is that they are unequivically lazy.

          • Brian

            Mike – I agree…War is coming….

          • DaveH

            Good Grief, Mike. Please read “How Capitalism Saved America” and get it right.
            This might help in the meantime:
            http://mises.org/daily/5773/In-Praise-of-the-Capitalist-1-Percent

          • patriot67

            I don’t know if you’re crazy or not, but you most certainly are a stupid Communist.

          • vicki

            Mike writes:
            “When all workers in the world make the same, then we will be happy. Until then, we are screwed.”

            So when all those lazy bums standing around watching while one lowly worker actually does work get the same pay as the worker you think you will be happy? You must be one of the lazy bums.

            (Can you tell I have had way to much experience with union work forces :( )

          • vicki

            Larry writes:
            “The problem with American people is that they are unequivically lazy.”

            That is not an American people problem, That is a PEOPLE problem. Otherwise Greece and Spain (amongst others) would not be in such an economic disarray.

        • Joyce from Loris

          You are right Alex, but we can’t choose eating badly just because of money. I live on a 200 acre farm, and we grow our own food. We can and freeze our summer crops and hunt and fish. I know most folks don’t live on a farm, but you would be amazed at how much food you can grow on a small plot of dirt, like your back yard! You have a large family, so all of you could pitch in and help, and it would be fun! I recommend you read Squanto’s Garden, it is full of info on growing food in small spaces. Growing your own food also guarantees that you know the chemicals that your food has been exposed to! We do 90% organic, sometimes the bugs that over run and you have to bring out the sevin dust. Good luck and you will have fun at this.

          • Caroline

            Joyce, I totally agree with you. I don’t have a farm but I have a small backyard garden and grow what I can during the short season I have using organic methods. Then I can or freeze the extras. I also buy my fresh food on sale and stock up when I can. Then I can or freeze these. If you buy good quality food on sale and stock up, you can save lots of money, cook and can/freeze your own meals and not buy crap prepared foods. I also refuse to shop at Walmart. People complain about cheap labor in other countries and cheap products but what do they do? They go out to the cheap box stores and support everything they complain about! If no one bought these foreign-made products from foreign-based companies, then maybe the companies would open up more US-producing factories! Buy American and support your local economy!

          • DaveH

            Buy American if you want to pay more for less. The foreign countries aren’t ruining our economy. That blame lies squarely on the shoulders of our Government which is sucking up 40% of our GDP.
            I was just talking a few days ago with a Malaysian gal who was describing what a robust economy Singapore has. And Singapore spends less than half on their Government that we spend on ours.

          • DaveH

            It’s time for all good people to understand the concept of Free Markets and why they work for the majority of citizens (all but the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists). Without that understanding we are surely doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past:
            http://mises.org/daily/12/Smashing-Protectionist-Theory-Again

          • Karolyn

            Dave – That’s not necessarily true about paying more and getting less by buying American. In the comparisons they’ve done on ABC News, they have found instances where the American item is cheaper (or comparable) and of the same or better quality, especially furniture.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH– Missed you, glad to see you are here. I know exactly what you mean about paying more for American-made products. I have encountered this many times. However I will still try to do what I can. American products are more expensive because the U.S. is flooded with foreign stuff. Department stores like Macys, Bergners, etc. are more expensive, but when a person looks at the label it says: Made in China, Thailand, etc. The government did a number on America.

          • Caroline

            Dave, if more people bought American and there was lesser demand for foreign-made cheap goods, then the price of American goods would go down and the price of foreign goods would go up — price/demand!

        • CountryGirl83

          The fresh vegetables may cost more initially, but in the long run, you will pay for cheapness with high medical costs. Plant a garden and buy only in season vegetables. Also, forget about the “whole grain” baloney.
          If you eat like a feedlot steer you are going to fatten up just like one, too.

          • ValDM

            CG83,
            Amen, sister! Most healthy eating guides say no more than two servings of grain a day. I tried eating like the food pyramid suggested, and only gained weight. Cutting back to two servings of grain a day helps keep the lard off!

          • Joe H.

            countrygirl83,
            If you give up completely on the “whole grain” food, you better find a good source of fiber. That is, unless you LIKE intestinal problems like diverticula, or cancer. your body needs a certain amount of natural fiber to be healthy.

          • Caroline

            Joe, you can get plenty of fiber from fruits, vegetables, legumes, etc.

          • Joe H.

            Caroline,
            Those, unless I am mistaken, ARE whole grain foods!!!

          • Caroline

            Yes, Joe, you are COMPLETELY mistaken. “Whole grain” = wheat, rye, oats, etc. Things you make bread, cereal, and other high-carb foods out of! Whole grain does NOT include fruits, vegetables and nuts! “Grains” are the seeds from grass-like plants. But obviously if you buy your food out of highly-processed boxes at Walmart you don’t know where it comes from.

        • Opal the Gem

          Alex, It depends at least partly on when and where you purchase the vegatables. If you shop smart at local farmers markets and localy owned produce stands you can generaly get things at a much lower price than the chain groceries. The other thing is to load up on bargins when things are in season and on sale then can or freeze the excess.

      • TheRealBob

        What would they cost if the farmer wasn’t paying taxes to a bloated and inefficient government that exists to support the parasites that demand something for nothing? What would they cost if the union slugs at the processing plant were making what they were worth rather than what they could extort through threats? What would they cost if the employees at the grocery store weren’t SEIU thugs making three times what they are worth? What would they cost if everyone could get by on a lot less money because we weren’t carrying the burden of welfare parasites, union slugs, government deadbeats, and the rest of the non-producers? The fact is, we could get by on a lot less than what we do now and we would be a lot better off.

        • Robert Smith

          What would it cost if government wasn’t paying farming corporations as bug businesses…

          The local family farm is a rellic of years gone by.

          Rob

          • Caroline

            Government subsidizes big business farms so they can produce what the government wants them to produce — corn, etc. for bio-diesel. If these products were not subsidized, the farmers would grow more FOOD! And if large farms were not subsidized, then the small farmer would be able to compete with the large business farms (food factories)! More family farms would be able to produce locally-grown food which would not need excessive chemicals for large-production and wouldn’t need to be shipped hundreds of miles or more so that we would not need all that extra bio-diesel. It would be a win-win situation for both the economy and the ecology of the planet! Now I am by no means a tree-hugger. But I would prefer my food to have no GMOs, chemical pesticides, chemical herbacides, etc. Smaller-scale, locally-grown food is healthier for all.

          • Joe H.

            Robert Smith,
            suprise! I agree with you. this is also why you have a dam hard time finding poultry that isn’t full of antibiotics, Beef that isn’t full of hormones, all kinds of UNHEALTHY added substances!!! Cancer made a big up swing in the last days of the 19th century when they started to bleach the flour. Things have gotten worse since!!

        • eddie47d

          Most union workers are hard working and honorable. You are pathetic Real Bob.

          • Brian

            And you are an ignorant socialist/communist…Eddy47d, the fact of the matter is ANY time government is involved, whether thru a ‘union’ or government itself, costs rise, making things much more expensive. IF the US was not supporting those that are on the government dole or even in ‘unions’, prices would be much lower…Er, that’s assuming the federal government doesn’t just print the money we need…

          • Ol fuddie duddie

            Eddie47d, Most union workers are paid for from my taxes. That makes me one of their employers. I do not see what you see. I am for doing away with all government unions and some of the departments that are wasting my tax money. It would be fun to see how long some of these so-called “hard workers” survive if they had to compete in the work place like “normal” tax payers.

          • Lost in Paradise

            I have worked with union workers, and have yet to find one that is worth a damn. Get rid of Unions and big government, and this country will prosper again. ALso elect Ron Paul, so we can return to our constitution, and remain free of most wars.

          • Doug

            Hey little eddie figure out what the blanks mean __ __ __ __ OFF Eddie. I have work with government unions my whole life and you want to talk about useless people! Eddie do us all a favor and stay on the Huntington Post! Gang mentality I like to take them out of the gang and beat the crap out of them they are little chickens with their heads cut off when they are not in gang that out numbers others.

          • FedUp

            Yes, I’m sure most union rank and file members are hard working, but most union members are FORCED to be in the union and robbed by the union bosses of their “dues” every paycheck. it’s the union bosses and the enforcers that are the problem. must union members get no benefit from their dues, which eventually end up paying the bosses and enforcers and as political contributions to the democrat party, to buy those politicians and force them to pass more union favoring laws to perpetuate the cycle.

            But I’m glad to support your right to call people names and espouse the party line of the left. Please try to present facts and logic instead of reactionary rhetoric.

          • eddie47d

            Your deceit doesn’t scare me and I will stand by what I said.

          • patriot67

            Spoken like a true union thug.

          • Average Joe

            eddie47d,
            I realize that this is a silly question, but I still feel the need to ask it; DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTUAL PROOF TO SUPPORT ANY OF YOUR ASSUMPTIONS?
            Eddie, as pointed out earlier (by another poster), you rarely…if ever….put up anything to support your diatribe. You simply give us your opinion (that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbuck’s). While it is admirable that you have an opinion, so do the rest of us, however…opinions aren’t worth squat if you can’t back them up with actual facts. Try it sometime eddie…you might actually start being listened to (rather than being talked down to).
            Want respect? Want to be believed? Try giving us something besides your uninformed opinion.
            Have a nice day eddie…..

            False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing.
            Joseph De Maistre

          • eddie47d

            I worked in a union shop for 40 years Patriot67 and was never a union thug and we negotiated in good faith. So as I said you can be as hateful as you’d like but that doesn’t make it true. Now tell us about what kind of work you did or job position and I’m sure we can all find fault with just about anything. That’s the easy part in all your assuming.

          • JeffH

            Average Joe, try as you may, eddie does actually believe opinions are facts…go figure.

            Example:
            eddie47d says
            August 21, 2011 at 11:30 am
            An opinion can be a fact or just an opinion on a subject. What should we call your “opinions” Song? Maybe you are too “opinionated” to answer that.

          • eddie47d

            Now Average Joe that is also the easy part. I state facts each and everyday. If you dispute something I say then feel free to tell me so. I don’t lie but if I do put a wrong fact or figure in any comment I don’t mind being corrected. If I dispute someone else the Internet is full of information to correct them. I do my homework so why can’t you. I see downloaded information that is bizarre and dishonest so that is not always reliable. Some of the videos are nothing more than biased and petty swill and only used to mock someone. Some of those videos bring up false and dangerous information yet seldom does anyone challenge them. So why lower myself to their level.

          • eddie47d

            Poor sad man Jeff. Yes opinions can be facts and some people’s “facts” can be nothing more than an opinion. All we get from you Jeff is more trivial trash from the trash master. You prove little yet you always think you do.

          • Brad

            Hey Eddie,

            It just dawned on me all union bosses and their enforcers are just like the klan, they want everyone enslved and have control of all the power for themselves and the choosen elite few.

          • Average Joe

            Your original statement:
            “Most union workers are hard working and honorable.”

            Your next statement:

            “I worked in a union shop for 40 years Patriot67 and was never a union thug and we negotiated in good faith.”

            So, you are trying to make the first statement true…by giving us your personal take and personal (singular) involvement with one single union hall…to make your first statement true? It doesn’t..

            While there are many hard working men and women in Unions…there are also many more who are worthless as human beings and only keep their jobs through Union Thuggery and intimidation. Your first post may or may not be correct, your second post was a lame attempt to make your first statement believeable…..which it didn’t accomplish.

            Once again eddie, have a nice day.

            The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
            John F. Kennedy

          • Average Joe

            “Now Average Joe that is also the easy part. I state facts each and everyday.”

            While it may be true that you state facts,, it would be much better if you could cite souces, add links to your posts etc…to back up what you claim to be the truth. Without citing your sources, you are simply giving us your opinion…which I’ve already addressed previously. Opinions are fine and dandy…but not neccesarily facts or truth….just opinions.Want us to believe you?..post your evidence….along with your opinions….and don’t be suprised or upset if someone challenges your sources or provides other links to decry your sources….truth is after all…subjective to the individual.

            And yet again, Have a nice day eddie….

            The greater our knowledge increases the more our ignorance unfolds.
            John F. Kennedy

          • vicki

            eddie47d writes:
            “I state facts each and everyday.”

            Well maybe you do and maybe you don’t. Absent cites to back up your assertions your “facts” are worth pretty much the paper they are(n’t) printed on.

            “If you dispute something I say then feel free to tell me so.”

            We have. Often. with evidence :)

          • Kate8

            eddie – I would go a step further and ask just who it is that gets to determine what are “facts”. Does it get to be a fact because you can quote a media source? But media sources are only opinions and are subject to the source’s interpretation.

            If we weren’t there personally, we have to rely on the accuracy of someone else’s reporting. Most likely, that person got his “facts” from yet another source. And, since almost no one tells the truth anymore, very little we hear or read can be classified as “facts”, since facts are undisputed truth by definition. Unless we use another tactic of the Left, and simply redefine the word.

            My point is that your word cannot be held as fact anymore than mine or the next guy’s. We talk about what we deduce from our limited material as filtered through our perception of how things are, which most likely has little factual content.

          • Joe H.

            Kate8,
            That depends on what is is!!!!

          • eddie47d

            It certainly isn’t anything that would come out of Joe’s mouth. Heaven forbid! We’re looking for rational Joe and you failed the test.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            YOU, LOOKING FOR RATIONAL?!?!?!? WITH YOUR PROG RECORD???!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!GOOD ONE eddie!!!

        • Stephan F.

          Real Bob: you are dead spot-on. Congrats.

          To me what’s really distressing is the fact that (IMHO) not one person in a hundred, and I’d venture to say not one person in 20 on this website, understands the situation or is even vaguely aware of these facts. So if you, like The Real Bob, are on top of your game when it comes to knowing all about unions, I congratulate you. However, if your insight is a bit lacking in this area then do yourself a favor and follow the links provided below.

          http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj30n1/cj30n1-2.pdf

          http://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-video/armand-thieblot-discusses-public-sector-unionism

      • Karolyn

        Do you actually grocery shop? Banquet frozen dinners comprise a large portion of the frozen food section at WalMart because they can be had for under $1 each! Of course, I wouldn’t touch the suff; it’s nothing but chemicals. At any rate, it is generallly much cheaper to eat prepackaged unless you’re into the really good stuff.

        • vicki

          Karolyn writes:
          “I wouldn’t touch the suff; it’s nothing but chemicals.”

          It may have escaped your notice but ALL food is nothing but chemicals.

          • Kate8

            vicki – Can’t argue with that one.

          • Karolyn

            Give nme a break, Vicki! You KNOW what I mean! – Preservatives, dyes, artificial flavors, etc.

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            fresh foods in the grocery, pesticides, chemical fertilizers genetically altered. What’s the diff???

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:
            “Give nme a break, Vicki! You KNOW what I mean! – Preservatives, dyes, artificial flavors, etc.”

            Say what you mean and mean what you say. It is obvious that frozen foods are food cause so many people survive on them. If you don’t like some preservatives, dyes, flavors in your food feel free to say so.

            Stating the obvious that food is nothing but chemicals when you mean that food has some chemicals in it you don’t want does not help your point.

      • Jon

        Hi thx for the reply. My wife and I tried to do the farmers market thing, we tried to do a self sustaining garden, even going as far as cloning tomato plants, haha, but after the organic fert teas, the soil mixes, etc – it is simpler cheaper to buy at Safeway. I used the example of Mac and Cheese and top ramen because I figure if Americans were being paid the equivalent of a Chinese laborer that is all they can afford, the prices I listed were at the local 7-11 btw. Super pricey. Cheers!

    • libertytrain

      I didn’t see it as inflammatory, but rather brutally honest. Mac and Cheese is still $1.25 or less per box here and Ramen noodles frequently 5 for $1.00. I don’t buy either but read ads… We can’t be like India or China because people no longer know how to be self-sufficient and can’t even cook their own meals. Need to buy prepackaged mac and cheese or ramen noodles….

      • vicki

        Mac double is still only $1
        It has grain and meat and letice and sometimes even a tomato

        IF the economy collapses it will likely go away but till then a meal can be had for very little (fiat) paper.

        • libertytrain

          Vicki – yep.

      • Joe H.

        libertytrain,
        Here, in BJs ramen noodles by the case (24 I believe) are 5.65. Mac n cheese at aldis is 37 cents a box. Milk 2.45 a gallon. Gas??? $3.29 a gallon for the cheap stuff!!!

        • libertytrain

          well Joe, either wherever the other person lives things are much higher or he/she doesn’t know how to shop or where to shop…. :) I think it’s the Kraft brand that’s higher – store brands here are sometimes 3 for a dollar.

    • wandamurline

      The Ows were not protesting the government who granted the bailouts, they were protesting the banks and Wall Street because they received the bailouts. They are in the wrong places protesting…they should be protesting 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…many of these protestors are being “PAID” to be out on the streets protesting to the tune of $500 a week from ACORN (under its new name), and their community consists of not only ACORN, but college students who want what you have without having to work for it, the nazi party, the communist party, Bill Ayers is out giving instructions, Frances Pivens is helping, George Soros is funding, and foreign countries are in it also, i.e. Iran and Chavez. What a bunch of loving Americans….what a bunch of commies that are out to collasp the economy of America. These people are being used by the very people they should be protesting against. Sure, there are some in the crowds that have a anger problem….most of Americans are angry about the corruption in Washington…however, we are not out setting fires, crapping on automobiles, trashing the cities, painting on buildings, committing rapes, etc. This is an uncivilized bunch of people who are being herded for the financial rise of those behind the protests…they are sheeples.

      • eddie47d

        We’ll need a couple of dumpsters to pick up the load of crap Wanda keeps spreading around.What a sinister evil mind you have.

        • http://AOL TXinSC

          Pivens was at the NYC location. I saw her on TV, so don’t be naive and think she has no involvement. Ayers has been contributing his share to the movement also. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

        • Lost in Paradise

          Eddie, I would not be so sure that Wanda is passing boat loads of B.S.. I think she is mostly correct. Look around you, pay attention, and stop being naive about it.

        • Doug

          No Eddie we need to put all the poop they make in your mouth so you will be silenced so we don’t have to read your BS!

          • Karolyn

            Doug – That was a pretty dumb remark. First of all, I don’t think eddie writes with his mouth; and secondly, you don’t have to read what he writes!

          • Brad

            Karolyn,

            No Eddie47d just makes as azz out of himself on a daily basis, all opinions and no facts to back up his opinions. You sit here and back eddie for no apperant reason just because he is getting his azz handed to him every single day. Why don’t you research some of these so called facts from eddie before jumping the gun and supporting his rants. You just might find out eddie is just passing gas because what comes out of his mouth and onto this blog sure does stink!!!

        • patriot67

          And all you do eddie47d is bad mouth people, you lame leptard.

          • eddie47d

            Doug and Lost dish it out in spades and all they come up with is comments about poop. They must be thinking they are playing Trivial Pursuit with their trivial comments. Actually Wanda is dishing out a double helping of CaCa bull and you all follow like flies for the free meal.

      • Suzette

        Agreed….they are easily led..and are only addressing 1 piece of the puzzle…and in all the wrong ways.

        • Kate8

          Wandamurline – Excellent comment, and right on.

          eddie and Suzette simply show their gullibility to fake movements like OWS. They are so plugged into he MSM that they can’t think outside the narrow box…they’ll believe whatever the puppet and the puppet media put out there.

          It’s really pretty easy to tell what’s going on. If a movement is contrived by the PTB, they’ll get lots of media attention. Otherwise, they’ll be largely ignored and ridiculed. The instigators of OWS are plants, put there to inflame every nutjob with a cause and incite escalating violence…in other words, create chaos.

          It’s intended to provoke police brutality, to help get us used to living in a police state. The PTB always have “incidents” break out exactly when they want to further their plans, so they can rush in with more oppression and control. Our young people have been carefully engineered by education, media and drugs to bring them to dance to the piper’s tune at just the right time.

          And, of course, Congress is voting on a bill this week that declares the US a “battlefield”, and turns the military (largely foreign) loose on American citizens on our own soil.

          http://dprogram.net/2011/11/28/the-us-senate-is-about-to-declare-war-on-freedom-and-the-american-people/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

          • JeffH

            Kate8, :) But the OWS’rs sound just like them…identify the common cause then align :)

          • Karolyn

            Kate – First of all, here really has not been that much coverage of OWS lately other than cursory obsevations; and, second, could it not be right-wingers planted to create problems? – which, by the way, there have not been many lately. This is an evolving scenario and is not the same as when it first started.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – You obviously haven’t been paying attention to what’s happening out west here, like in Oakland. And how about the fact that they stormed the malls on Black Friday, just to make shopping even more miserable for people. I mean, why target the retailers?

            Left/Right. No. Those behind OWS are the elite. They own both Left and Right.

          • eddie47d

            I remember a few years back when Conservatives complained about folks not taking Sunday’s seriously. That stores were open too late and not enough time was spent with the family. I believe Sundays and maybe Saturdays for some should be a day of rest and that we have become way too commercial. Now it’s Conservatives coming to the defense of businesses open 24/7. We our a nation of Romney’s flip flopping on everything and being self righteous about it. What a hoot!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            you left out an intricate part of that story. they were complaining about saturdays and sundays being MANDTORY! There were employers that were firing employees for not working sundays. there is nothing wrong with working saturdays and sundays IF the person agrees to it! Besides, most retail establishments are working so many employees that they don’t even get 40 hours in let alone overtime! I have worked about five different jobs where I worked six and seven days a week, but I agreed to do so! BTW don’t give your heroes the union too much credit on that as the GVERNMENT passed a law that says they can’t be forced to work seven days a week, meaning 56 hrs a week!!

          • eddie47d

            Give it up Joe! You don’t have a clue.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            I’ve got a clue about YOU! you PUT YOUR TIME IN IN A UNION SHOP FOR 40 YEARS. WORKED? I DOUBT YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD!!!

    • Ken Furr

      There are two major things that drove prices for our everyday commodities higher! First, unions with their demand for higher and higher wages and health care. The second is over regulation of the Federal Government of every single product and service. Companies have to raise prices to cover the expenses of these demands. However there is a third culprit I hesitate to mention for it will surely bring a world of name calling on me, but it is the GREED of individuals who cause the first two reasons to be possible! I now live in a poor foriegn country and a majority of people here are poor, I mean they are “really poor” and it shocks me to here what they say. I here from them constantly that it is OK to steal the property of the wealthy for they have more than they need. That is the same thing I see going on in America. The greed of the American people is destroying our country. We no longer as a nation want to help those in need because it would mean ‘I have less!’ Greed seems to rule in the world now and greed can help you convince yourself that anything you do is alright.

    • Marty S.

      Jon, the American public is basically spoiled rotten from multiple decades of enjoying the position of the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency of the world. Our dollars used to get a lot more bang for the buck-that is changing as the price of precious metals, food, gasoline etc increasing has reflected in recent months and years. This spoiled populace still wants its deals no matter what and will throng the stores at 3 AM to achieve said goal. However, I must admit I did some black friday shopping if anything just to keep my wife out of the Walmart flash mobs and to buy ammo and other necessities from the sporting goods store for a song.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    Ows dont why they are protesting they are useful idiots.

    • Alex

      Another barely coherent sean murrey post. Apparently the Faux Noose gaspipe must have emitted some video of some dumb loadies at some OWS sites. Listen, if you send a camera crew to a gathering of ten thousand people, anyone with half a semester of high school filmmaking can make the ’68 Chicago Demonstrations sound like a John Birch Society meeting or make a National Rifle Ass. meeting sound like a bunch of people who really care about Life.

      The popular and pathetically ridiculous meme that the OWS people do not know what they are protesting against is baloney; they are, in fact much more in tune with what they strive for than the funny Teabaggers who bumble around and say idiotic things like, “Get Your Government Hands Off My Medicare!”. <<<<<HAAAAAA!!!! Losers.

      • Mushin

        Peter Schiff interviews OCS attendees and they can barely speak english Ally – (and not that all are so pathetically uneducated/ disorganized), yet the majority are clearly clueless.

        See Peter Schiff; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_xJwJv5YC8

        Such a disorganized effort of shiftless vagabonds will only lead to more problems…OCS was a propaganda stunt generated by union special interests and, of course, the dems…

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Alex that is pure BS. I have stopped by 4 times at the ‘occupier’s ‘ tent cities to speak with them. Not only do the stink; they can’t tell me specifically why they are there or what they intend do accomplish. The hold signs that say tax the rich. When I ask them, ‘Then what?’ I get a dumb stare. The majority of the occupiers are clueless; there may be one or two who lead this herd of imbeciles but that’s about it…

        The answer to what happens if you ‘Tax the Rich’ can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JY8LKII_MNA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

        • Laura

          WOW! That was an awesome video. Thank you for that. I will be passing that along to friends and family.

        • eddie47d

          The video was actually very good but OWSs aren’t out to steal from the wealthy but to make them more responsible in what they make and how they make it. When the wealthy are honest and play fair they are respected. When they break the rules of decency they corrupt everything they touch which makes all the rich look greedy. There is a spending problem in America also and those who advocate taking in more revenue without paying off past debts are just as clueless and aren’t playing fair either. There is way too much monkey business going on between the takers and the rest of the takers. The takers on Wall Street are just as sinister as those takers in Washington. We all feel if we have more we will be much happier which is a fallacy. That doesn’t make any difference whether rich or poor or a Washington politician.

          • http://AOL TXinSC

            The OWS people know something is not right, but I am not sure they know where the problem really lives. There is too much corruption in our government. The banksters would not get away with what they do without the help of our politicians. They break the laws because they are allowed to do so. There is no such thing as “as too big too fail” that is a creation of our government so that big business and finance will be beholding to politicians. It runs along both party lines so please no drivel about how the Republicans are in the pocket of big business. Wall Street is in a very cozy bed with the democrats. As far as the OWS, many of them want the government to bail them out instead of big business, and that is not the answer. If you can’t afford to make the payments on your student loans, don’t take out the loans.

          • Kate8

            eddie – Here is common sense coming from a Congressman in YOUR camp.

            http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/war-crimes/world-fears-us-as-a-war-hungry-drunk.html

            Goes to show that it IS possible for a democrat to think clearly. I can’t find anything here that I disagree with. We’d do well with a lot more like him.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            What about the people that quit jobs to go to the OWS rally?? Part of what they are supposed to be protesting is a lack of jobs, I guess they are just like you HYPOCRITES!!!

          • eddie47d

            Oh Please Joe stop showing your ignorance. LOL!

          • Joe H.

            No eddie, you got that wrong. Everybody here is showing YOUR ignorance!!! And it’s EEEEASSSSSY!!!

      • Mike

        NRA users DO care about lives. I am a firm believer in the right to bear arms. Look at the legislation being voted on today or tomorrow about declaring America a battleground, and giving the military the right to detain American citizens for as long as they want. The elimination of posse commitatus. Introduced in part by John McCain. When they come for the NRA members, it will not be pretty. The NRA stands for everything this country was founded on, and they are willing to fight to protect even those who hate them from the tyranny of an oppressive government. The American “government” is actually deciding to declare war on American citizens. Martial law= Civil War II; possibly coming to a country near you very soon.

        • Theotherhalf

          Martial law is not a new idea. And was predicted by Naomi Wolf during the GWB presidency. You can read her book or watch a few you tube vids. Martial law will be declared by the ruling richinto a political party. If there were enough teabaggers out there protesting then they might end up in FEMA trailers too. Which is why I think they aren’t out there. Gun toters would surely be arrested. my guess is most tp’s are cops right now, and we know it’s the cops who incite violence. TRUE. Most of your “fleabagger” are trained in non violence. . Much of the original occupy Dallas was moved to city hall close to the homeless shelters. The truly homeless have been that way for awhile and have sort of made things difficult for those who want to occupy because the occupies took the homeless dudes corner or beggar spot. My guess is the people interviewed by the media are not the ones with the answers but are purposely interviewed by the right wing media to make them look stupid. This is why occupy uses their own media outlets not mainstream. Streaming video globalrevolution. Or just check with anon communication for updates. Look at the real news.

        • Joe H.

          Mike,
          Just sent my 2012 dues in tonight!

      • ladykroft

        Let’s see ALEX… my guess would be that you’re a democrat. Democrats are vicious and immoral. Don’t like anything that’s good or beneficial, and fighting dirty against it.

        • Theotherhalf

          You have a very narrow mind.

          • Average Joe

            And…… you have your head buried in the sand (or elsewhere…most likely).

            For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen.
            Douglas Adams

      • S.C. Murf

        you are truly an idiot and not even a useful one at that. Go some place and make that popping sound please

        up the hill
        airborne

        • eddie47d

          The Elites are the ones who are vicious and immoral Ladykroft.Putting it all on Democrats is petty and shows you haven’t put much ought into the process. Yes there are Elite Democrats and Republicans alike and we all get caught in their snares.

          • Joe H.

            Well, eddie, there will be one less of YOUR elitists next year for SURE!! Your good buddy Bawney Fwanks will be GONE!!!! See, eddie things prayed for DO get granted!!!

      • Ol fuddie duddie

        Alex, Obviously, you were not around during the 60′s when thousands of clueless idiots did their rioting thing, led by just a few puppeteers. They too had no real idea what they wanted, but they had a lot of fun breaking the laws of the land, breaking windows, disrupting working people and having their sit-ins and sit-downs. Then and now, the “me” generation made a lot of gibberish noise and soon passed out again under the fumes of their pot and other drugs. Things have not changed except for a different puppet-master. They will soon fall asleep again and we will pick up after these naughty children as always.

        • Joe H.

          Ol F D,
          I was around during that and a lot of good people got killed by those hippy freak leaders!!!

      • Doug

        Alex another useful idiot and I got your tea bag for you one without and original thought Alex the wonder boy!

      • Wewillie

        Oooowhhhhiieee, Alex I get a tingley feeling down my leg when I read your postings. Hee, hee, hee.

  • http://aol TXinSC

    It really all boils down to the fact that Americans think they are entitled to what ever they want. So what if you don’t have a job, you are still entitled to a car, phone, TV or whatever else you want. We can no longer distinguish between needs and wants. If we want it, we need it. I too believe that things will change dramatically in the near future. We are fast approaching the time when those of us working, will no longer be able, via the government, to support those who don’t. It won’t be pretty, and those living in large, urban areas will suffer the most. My advise is to prepare and pay attention.

    • CP

      Sir, I want you to think about this, even if you aren’t willing to try it. Walk away from everything you have, firearms included, and try living on the streets for a while. Or, you can move up the ladder a little bit and take a minimum wage job and try supporting yourself, rent, food, transportation, and medical insurance, for a year. My bets are that you won’t last six months at that level of existence, yet there are people who are forced to continue at that level or below by either physical or mental issues, or simply the fact that they are among the “unhireables” we tend to ignore. What you are calling wants many people consider must haves just so they can get to the next job, or hear about a new position that just might be opening up. As far as a television, do you really want to spend your evenings, when you can’t be out pounding the streets looking for more work, staring at the four walls? Most people do want a little down time occasionally, and that IS the cheapest form of escape available to a lot of us.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        You are speaking of the unemployable. There has always been that bottom 2% who will be unemployable either due to mental or physical dilemmas. Nothing will change that and there are (and have been for 50 yrs) help for these people. Nothing has changed, except the fact that we now have sloth people who fail to understand their responsibility to go and get a job; and NO you don’t get to start at the top of the heap!

        One earns their way up the ladder as they increase their value to the organization. If you are ‘dead weight’ then you don’t even deserve minimum wage. ANd don’t start that diatribe about the minimum wage not supporting a family; that is SUCH BS. Minimum wage jobs are for part time folks, retired folks, and others who want to supplement their family/individual incomes; those jobs are NEVER nor have EVER been looked at as careers…although they could be career BUILDERS for people with the right attitude.

        We are a nation of sloths; that’s our largest problem.

        • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

          Tell that to the ghosts of the massive number of unemployed among the hard working people during the great depression that could not find work- I am among the 12% that do not count in the current unemployment statistics because I have depleted UI – THEY say that I have “given up looking for work” Truth is, I have done everything I can to find steady employment – I take whatever incidental work I can – I split firewood – fix machines, have done some legal secretary work – whatever is honorable, moral and thus not dangerous – immoral or illegal. Do you get my point that actual unemployment is over 22% and we are approaching Great Depression levels – and left/right statism has ZERO remedy for this – stepping out of this paradigm does.

          Legitimate charity could do much to help that 2% that the state run counterfeit of charity cannot – legitimate charity is voluntary – and done with moral constraints – Frederick Bastiat in “The Law” was spot on about what he called “Lawful Plunder” and many that I have spoken with at Occupy Atlanta have agreed that state run “charity” perpetuates dependency.

          Again, people need to throw out the broad brush when it comes to OWS – it does not fit.

          • Joe H.

            Mark D,
            That broad stroke fits a good many of them. What about the number of them that quit jobs to protest?? what about the ones defacating in public, exposing themselves to passersby including children, the one that shat on a police cruiser, the couple that were dealing drugs from a tent in front of a two year old that lived in it with them? What about the “instructors” that are going from camp to camp instructing them on how to make a specticle on TV? how about the ones that encircled the police, arm in arm, and refused to leave, told the police if they wanted to leave they had to go THROUGH them. When the poice peper sprayed them, they cried foul??? What about them?? What about the ones yesterday that attacked the police and then when they were tasered and arrested they cried police brutality??? These are good citizens peacfully protesting??? Man, you need to examine your values!!

      • Jan

        They aren’t FORCED to take these jobs. People make CHOICES. People choose not to get good grades, people choose to get pregnant, people choose to do drugs, people choose to hang out with the wrong crowd and get into trouble. When you make crap choices, you will have a crap outcome. If people are in the “trap” that you describe, then they should get these things called “roomates” to take some of the burden of rent and utilities. With that savings, don’t spend it on flat screen tvs or xboxes, choose to grow up and invest money in yourself instead of being the child needing a video fix. Go to trade school, or one of the many schools like Miller-Motte that will provide SKILLS that will land a better paying job…but I guess you’d prefer to make excuses and sit on your butt playing video games.

        • Joe H.

          Jan, there are other good schools like Brown Mackey that teach at one class a month to give students their nursing degrees. They have a loan program that you pay back a little at a time till it’s paid off. but I guess those OWS would call that slavery because they have to pay off student loans!!! They don’t WANT to succede!!!

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      Pardon: SOME people have the unreasonable expectation of entitlement -

      BROAD BRUSH = DISINFORMATION!

    • Mary

      Most of Americans cann’t handle the truth nor to live in a third world country where the poor have nothing. This country it’s turning in that. I sent one of my friend ex-ranger to a central ameririca country a got a bodyguard job with everything included he had $ 1,500. 00 a month clean. He only last three month the cold showers were to hard for him. He had two weeks vacation pd in those three months.

  • jopa

    sean murrey;Your statement is rather idiotic, what are you trying to say?

  • Alex Frazier

    I presently have enough guns to supply my household, and I have enough amunition to shoot pretty much all the residents of the four closest neighborhoods to my house if any of them decide to come and take what I have.

    • Alex

      Merry Xmas!!

    • eddie47d

      Sad times indeed. There is nothing wrong in being prepared during good times and bad times but to dwell on killing your neighbors and rather gloating about it doesn’t say much about the Conservative character.

      • FedUp

        nice broad brush, eddie the idiot. the statement is stay away from our stuff or you’ll get shot when you come plundering. when the gov’t stops paying the mobs, the mobs will look for other sources of food. when they come to our neighborhoods looking to plunder, they will get shot. Not because we go looking for someone to shoot, but because they come to threaten our families and our homes and our survival.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I suppose that you will not defend your family nor your property. Isn’t that special. You have, not an inkling of what constitutes Conservative character.

        • Joe H.

          CAB,
          hopefully, when the time comes, on THAT day, eddie won’t be sitting his daughters kids!!! At least with their mother, they might have a chance!!!

      • Wewillie

        I does if you’re his neighbor eddie47d.

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      Its sounds that if you moved no less than 4 neighbourhoods would be instantly safer areas. 6 of you sharing Guns, paranoia and a poor diet. Just think if you only had the guns & ammo to kill off 2 neighbourhoods then you could afford to eat some fresh vegetables.

  • CP

    How about the idea that you are entitled to a chance at a decent job that will be there for you when you need it as well as when it needs you? How many companies now reward loyalty by anything more than a swift kick in the pants as you are told you are too old, or have been there too long? There was a time when loyalty to the company you worked for was actually rewarded by things such as raises and promotions, and a decent pension when you had your thirty years in. Now, if you work for the same company for thirty months you can count that as a minor miracle. This is true unless you happen to have been hired as upper management by the board of directors with the promise of raises every year and a golden parachute if you get fired or the company sells and downsizes. Once you make it into upper management, your wealth is pretty much guaranteed unless you do something like a Bernie Madhoff and get caught at it.

    • Alex

      Yep

      • Djthomas

        Lame!

      • Joe H.

        Gee, I don’t know, my wife has 25 years in where she is. I guess there’s exceptions to YOUR broad stroke!!

    • Mike

      Agreed. Well said.

      • Djthomas

        Lamer!

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Think about what you just said: ‘Entitled’ to a decent job. That is so incredibly subjective that no one could define the parameters.

      But beyond that, the ‘entitlement’ mentality is what has doomed our nation for 40 yrs. You are entitled to safety from invasion, a fair & speedy trial (yeah right)and the opportunity to pursue happiness, in whatever form that might be for you as long as you do not abscond with the rights of others…that is the sum total of your ‘entitlement’ based on the Constitution.

      You are NOT entitled to be ‘happy’… that is a YOU endeavor…and don’t foist that responsibility onto me or your neighbors by taxing the life out of us.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        If your comment were clarified to address that SEGMENT of OWS that has such a mindset I would concur – but it is a diverse group – mostly they are people fed up with how BOTH major political parties flat out LIE to us with impunity.

        There is a paradigm shift in progress – those that embrace left/right dogmas will find themselves self-marginalized by those that see what those that operate in the delusion that changing from one gang of criminals to another is going to have positive results.

      • eddie47d

        Amen Mark.

        • Djthomas

          Are you a priest now eddie47d?

        • eddie47d

          I’ll have to remember that one Thomas when someone else says that. So you all be careful about saying Amen.

    • http://AOL LIsa

      Some of what you say is true. However I know of lots of people that have been with the same company for 15+ years. It all depends on what you do, and how well you do your job. It is expensive for employers to hire and train new employees. I would say that many people leave looking for better opportunities which are often hard to find. The better educated you are the better your chances of being retained by your employers. The unemployment rate among those with college degrees is less 5%.

      • independant thinker

        I retired from a company after 30+ years. In that time I saw no one fired because of their age. In fact those who quit because the work was “too hard” for them or they only wanted to work when they wanted to far outnumbered those who were fired for any reason. I do not know how many would be hired show up for one or two days then were never seen or heard from again.

        • Joe H.

          independant,
          I’ve worked a few places like that. In fact, one place I worked with my uncle, a guy hired in to clean up a site. He was getting 12.50 an hour in 1980 to do it. he worked till noon, picked up his lunch pail and said” I don’t have to work this hard, I’m going back to my welfare!” Gods honest truth! This is the mindset of some of them!!!

    • Doug

      Gee CP been doing my trade now for over 34 years every employee that does their job and inspires to treat our customers right have been with me for 17 years. And guess what CP did not go to College don’t believe in college because except for a few they are teaching Marxist and Communism is a good thing. How about pulling yourself up by the boot straps and work to be the best and see what happens. By the way I started from the bottom and took a long time to be where I am today nothing is handed to you unless you were born into a rich family that does not want to teach their children what they need to make it in this world!

      • Karolyn

        Doug – Things are not as they were. This is a totally different world, and it’s not as easy as it was. When I closed my shop in ’04 I hadn’t worked for someone else in 5 years and hadn’t applied for a job in 10. Well, when I went looking for work, it was not as easy as it once was, even with my extensive experience. Everyone requires specialize education anymore or college degrees. Used to be a person was hired on their experience and merit. I was in administration, had 35 years experience and could run any office; however, all of those types of jobs required certificates in office management or business degrees. I used to do pretty well in selling antiques; but that day is over. I’ve also made jewelry, painted, done flower arranging, cleaned houses, gardened, etc. These days the competition is so stiff an older person doesn’t stand a chance, especially when nepotism in a small town is involved. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

        • Joe H.

          krolyn,
          the man is relating what he has DONE and what he has experienced and you tell him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about?? Gee, aren’t YOU omnipotent!!!

  • Alex

    Another clear indication that the old Reich Wing is now the Fright Wing. Never an ounce of hope in the face of the bleak future you point out—a future that may well arrive. The thing with the Robert Ringers of the world is that everything, EVERYTHING must have a market value, a price—the Earth itself, food, even people. So sad and absolutely misguided in terms of its focus.

    Any ‘Spiritual’ person, any person of ‘Faith’, if truly listening for the Word of God or the Gods, would see that only sensible plan for Creation would be to Bless us with a beautiful home to share. Ringer and his type see God as some insolent ten year-old boy shaking red and black ants in a jar to see some action. Pathetic.

    While I try not to be too forceful in defense of or in discussion of God, as no human can really ever know in this lifetime who or what God is or if She or He or Them or It even exists, the idea of any God that would enjoy watching us draw lines across Earth and building walls rather than bridges is absurd.

    Anyone who thinks that God sees our selfish, wasteful, people- and planet-endangering country as special or to be particularly Blessed should sit down and think about just what that means. Seriously, who’s zooming who?

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Alex said: “no human can really ever know in this lifetime who or what God is or if She or He or Them or It even exists,”

      Sorrier words were never typed Alex. The next time you look outside at nature, and it all WORKS without reloading, polishing, oiling or refueling, think on what sustains all that is. That is the ‘general revelation’ that God exists.

      There is also His Word; which proclaims that God exists. CAn we ‘prove it’? No. But there is ample evidences provided in scripture; God is a perfect gentlemen; he does not force one to believe. You are free to reject Him. (although I don’t recommend it)

      St. Paul summed it up well:
      Romans 1:20
      For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

      • eddie47d

        I think you overlooked Alex’s point in why do the authors always shake up the ants in turning one side against the other. I seldom see a bridge built here but plenty is torn down each and every day. We come out angrier and God probably wouldn’t approve of that.

        • Joe H.

          eddie,
          no, he said “you see GOD as a ten year old shaking a jar of red and black ants” What do you not understand about that? Where did he mention “authors” in that statement? Comprehension, eddie!!

      • patrick H.T. paine

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!”

        Wasting time?

        “Can we prove it? NO…..but ”

        There is no BUT……and that is just to PROVE mere existance which still leaves all those individual traits and myths for the specifically different religions and sects of religions…..

        All of which pertains to your “eternal” reward……and “possible
        judgement”…..one of these “religions”, the one usually claimed here
        clearly says……”Love your neighbor” and “AS you treat the least of my bretheren”…….and ” My kingdom is NOT of this earth” and
        “Let him who is without sin…..”……..and that thing about rich men in heaven……

        But why quibble….you can’t prove it and you are not only in no hurry
        to find out……..I’m really not seeing or feeling any of the qualities that would actually earn that “reward” you seem concerned
        that the rest of us will miss out on.

        “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls………..”

        • patrick H.T. paine

          BTW you also need to understand that when you say the word “evidence”
          …..this constitutes a claim of “proof”…….of course, even if
          you are wrong…..the principles cited in attempting to attain this
          ‘reward’……the world would be a far better place. For some reason,
          this has never happened……even when religious institutions constitute the “political power”……which usually coincides with
          things being far worse.

          • Joe H.

            Patrick HT,
            Perhaps your faith is limited. God proves his exhistance to ME every day of my life. in the fact that every persons finger prints are different, trees will get in a tiny crack of concrete and destroy the concrete, in my childrens smile, and in the fact that after all I have been through in my life I’m still alive. YOU may not call that proof, but I do!! so like I said perhaps you need some FAITH!!!

          • patrick H.T. paine

            ” To conquer, first DIVIDE! ”

            Oh, Jeff H I do have faith…….faith that if the your so called fellow christian’s ever get their way, you would be classified as
            the “atheist” and “heretic” that you would have been back in the good ole days ……when ROME was the center of the christian world.

            And you are at least this time absolutely dead on correct, the examples you cite are neither evidence nor proof…….but then
            I don’t believe I have ever accused you of being capable of “intelligent reasoning”……….and the probability
            of my doing so anytime soon, is highly unlikely.

            Of course, your chances would improve if you didn’t waste your time
            responding to ME…….with essentially irrelevant commentary.

            “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls……….”

          • JeffH

            …and you, patrick H.T. paine, would do well to know whom you are responding to…

          • Joe H.

            Patrick,
            OOOOPPPS!!!!

    • http://AOL LIsa

      Alex, I KNOW that God exists and I KNOW He has a very specific plan for the earth and it’s inhabitants. The culmination of that Plan will be glorious, but it’s accomplishment will be devastating. Everything that is happening now will further His plan, and knowing that God is in ultimate control is what sustains me and hopefully all believers as we see the His will played out. God does love us all, but He is a just God and will not allow man to replace Him with anything. The governments, religions, and economics of the world have tried to do just that. For that reason, God will make sure the world knows who He is, and that His Son is Lord of all the world. Those who confess that truth, believe on Christ, and repent of their sins will live and reign with Christ for eternity.

    • S.C. Murf

      you are blind and deaf.

      up the hill
      airborne

      • http://AOL LIsa

        If you are talking to me, then YOU are the scriptural definition to being blind and dear. Scriptures say over and over, “those with ears to hear, let them hear” Leave the “blind to lead the blind”. Only God can open your eyes and ears so if you want to know the truth, ask for it.

        • S.C. Murf

          It was for Alex, just follow the comment trail girl and it will point to Alex. First you read his post and then comments. OK?

          up the hill
          airborne

      • Karolyn

        Gee, it must be wonderful to be so all-knowing!

        • Joe H.

          karolyn,
          It’s called faith, something you refuse to know.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Interesting times await us, madness prevailing. Should we laugh now or should we cry? Are things going to get better or worse? Does anyone know and the point is how many still really care? It feels like waiting in anticipation of disaster, no escape, no way forward and no way back. What exactly are we doing, where are we headed and why did we do what we did? It was wrong, was’nt it,or am I now the only insane person on the planet? Is hope all that’s left?

    • http://AOL LIsa

      Hope is all that we have ever had and what allows us to move forward even in these troubling times.

    • Karolyn

      It’s the storm before the calm. In order for the world to become what it should be, thre needs first to be the collapse of what it currently is.

      • Marty S.

        So Karolyn what kind of “order” should prevail after the impending collapse?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Peter, The Good lord has only ever promised the moment we’re in, there is no guarantees on anything!

      • Joe H.

        Angel Wannabe,
        He has also promised SALVATION if we believe in Jesus. john 3:16
        For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that who so ever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. THAT is a promise!!

  • Angel Wannabe

    As a kid I remember, the Jingle of the Salvation Army Bell and Christmas Music playing through out the town, signaled that the Christmas Season was here. It use to be fun to go shopping on Black Friday, we even use to travel to Philly to do it!__Forget that Now!__ we use to see people that we hadn’t seen since the Christmas before. It took all day to shop, in what should’ve taken a couple hours at most. The Shoppers were Jolly and the Restaurants were packed with shoppers grabbing a bite to eat, in between buying gifts….

    I haven’t shopped on Black Friday for 15 years or more and if Pepper Spray, and walking over and around an Old man who collapsed on the floor is the norm these days, then I don’t see myself venturing out any time soon on Black Friday.__
    Mob Mentality, is about what Christmas shopping amounts to today__

    As for wealth building__The Youth today don’t want to wait a Life time to amass wealth, like we did, they want it ALL tomorrow, as if it’s a sign of success!

    If the Obama Admin keeps tapping the Wealthy for more and more taxes, they’ll in time be poor too.
    Margret Thatcher former British Prime Minister said, “The Problem with Socialism, is eventually you run out of other peoples money”

    BTW, My husband works at Dicks Sporting Goods, on Black Friday they received and Emergency Email at EVERY STORE, that a local Dicks was attacked by a Flash Mob_-They filled shopping carts with goods and then left them in a line at checkout and then left the building. They disrupted all commerce.

    If your interested in what OWS is up too, check out the link below. Read the chat lines for a while and watch the live stream__I can’t believe this is America!

    http://occupywallst.org/

    • libertytrain

      Angel, oh, I agree. I remember when Black Friday was just the sales day for the day after Thanksgiving – no name given to it. And you’re right, it was fun. Big sales, seeing friends, eating lunch out. Now I wouldn’t be caught at one of these Black Friday events. Downright embarrassing for the Country to have folks behave this way.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Libertytrain, I had my own business, before that, I worked in Fashion retail_Management. _Now I work in Bars and I get the drunks!___and while, the Holidays produce many emotions, some sad because of loved ones lost,they’re the ones who can be nasty, mostly excitement and Happy customers__TODAY it’s an emotional roller coaster!__My Husband and Daughter both work at Dicks and some of the stories they come with at the Holidays especially is unbelievable!

        • libertytrain

          here’s to the loved ones lost – just had that happen to me right before Thanksgiving. Thanks for the memories.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Liberty Train, My Great Grandfather died on Christmas Eve, and Aunt died 2 days before Christmas, and my Grandfather a fews days after the New Year. My Mother died two days before our son’s 16th birthday.

          • Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            while theirpassing was a great loss to you, think of this. at least they don’t have to see how far our country has fallen and see how much further they will fall. That would’ve probably broken their heart. God Bless!!!

      • JeffH

        Angel and libertytrain…agreed. This is how our MSM chooses to report…seems morality is in short supply.

      • James

        Libertytrain, I’m curious. This is the first year I’ve heard the expression ‘Black Friday.’ What does the ‘Black’ stand for? Who started referring to the day following Thanksgiving as ‘Black Friday?’

        • independant thinker

          James, I long wondered the same thing. Last night I read an article that said the term “Black Friday” started being used because the sales that day put many companies in the black for the year profit wise.

          • libertytrain

            It has been that for about 20 years at least and yes, it’s to get the retailers out of the red and into the Black.

        • Karolyn

          James – It’s been called Black Friday for years.

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    WHAT A LOAD OF BUNK!!! NeoConservatives blindly dismiss their own flaws – operate in the fantasy that if McNuts had gotten to the Oval Office everything would be all better – and ignore the fact that the main thing that got Soetoro in office was to change from the abject LACK of accountability of the NeoCons – to bring our troops home – end the senseless actually counterproductive drone strikes that incite hatred against us.

    OWS is a diverse group – NeoCons are taking worst case situations and broad brushing them to appear normative – which is disgusting

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      You’re kidding, right?

      The ‘change’ this imbecile president brought was to enlarge our debt from 180 billion to 4 trillion in under 3 yrs. Is that what you define as ‘good change’? God sakes man!

      When Obummer took office the cost of a gallon of gas was $1.79 within 6 months it was over $3.00 It now hovers at around $3.49 OOOOPSS!

      Unemployment was 7 % when Obummer came into office; now it has ‘locked in’ at 9.3% average, but many parts of the country where manufacturing jobs are the mainstay, have 16-25% unemployment…OOOOPS!

      Obummer spent 1.2 trillion is ‘stimulus’ which trickled down the leg of no one except his cronies. I felt no stimulus; no help….oooops!

      Troop count on the ground in Afghanistan is up 30,000 since Obummer’s admin. Ooops!

      Drones have killed three hard to find terrorists who were considered a clear and present danger to the US. Ooooops!

      On foreign policy, our president has humiliated us all. The very man who is to be the salesman for America has become our apology expert.

      If I had to pick ‘Enemy #1′ in America, I would point to the clown in the Whitehouse currently. In 3 yrs he as decimated the economy, ruined our foreign policy and swung open the southern border to invaders. I don’t know what else this idiot has in store for us, but I pray he is GONE in 2012. We won’t last another 4 under this kind of ‘leadership’.

      • eddie47d

        Unemployment was over 20% when FDR was reelected and the wars grew even more fiercer.Most people back then during the depression knew who finagled this mess and didn’t take it all out on FDR. The Democrats and Republicans who are responsible should be booted out and put the blame exactly where it belongs. The whole burden doesn’t just fall on Obama although you are trying to make it so. You are painting a very large wall with your brush strokes.

        • Brian

          Eddie47d – I obviously didn’t agree with a previous comment and said so but your comments as I read down this article indicate that you are a thinking kind of person…And I appreciate that…Sorry for what I said; I can admit it when I am wrong…

        • Doug

          Thats why I use Buckshoot Eddie incase I am not shooting straight that day that the kind of brush stroke we need!

        • eddie47d

          Thanks Brian. We all use buck shot once in awhile or use sharp remarks. Have a great evening.

      • Joe H.

        Dntmkmecmoverther,
        don’t forget that he has almost got us in a war with a nuclear nation!! Syria!!! It’s gonna take a lot of fancy talkin from somebody who knows how to talk to smooth THAT over! WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER! Abummer is NOT up to the task!!

        • Joe H.

          Excuse my mistake, I meant to say Pakistan! no excuse for it!

  • mike

    “many of them taking their electronic toys back to their Occupy Wall Street tents”

    While the disgusted view of “consumaholics” is justified tying this to OWS is specious at best. Regardless of value or lack thereof of OWS this comparison only shows prejudice on the part of the author. The only “mob violence” displayed thus far was in the pepper spraying of sitting protestors. When it comes to materialism the Republicans must be tarred by the same brush. Their revolt against taxation is a desire to have more for themselves even though their elected representatives have spent the money. The only examples of spending less come from hypocritical demands of cutting the “other guy’s” stuff.

    • http://google Marvin McCardle

      Mike, you are absolutely right.

    • CountryGirl83

      Obviously, you have not been paying attention. Those “protestors” have admitted to baiting the police and that they did surround them and taunt them. They are lucky that the cops only used pepper spray and not batons. They deserved what they got.
      I am embarrassed to be an alumni of that school (UCD).

      • eddie47d

        Sitting on a sidewalk is baiting the police to do harm. I don’t think so.

        • JeffH

          …or throwing bottles and rocks at police(Oakland)?
          …or surrounding the police(UC Davis), sitting down with arms locked together , not allowing the police to move and saying that if they wanted to clear the path they would have to go through us?
          …or deliberatly blocking rush hour traffic in Los Angeles?

        • Angel Wannabe

          eddie_ they clearly bait the police, that’s what they’re told to do!
          Don’t hurt anyone, but use bait, to incite police brutality__what a better freeakin way to call for Marshal Law___Your like some of my not so immediate Family, I always say, “I can deal with hard times, what I can’t deal with is F-in Idiots, who REFUSE to see the forest for the trees!

        • eddie47d

          There was plenty of room to maneuver and allow folks to get around. It was a sidewalk for Pete’s sake and the fascists should have kept their distance during this peaceful protest.( Mr pepper spraying goon) That’s the police state Jeff and Kate keep wishing for.

        • Joe H.

          eddie,
          What about the report on both MSM AND Fox about them ATTACKING the police??? Don’t tell me, they LIED about that, right??? Everybody is lying about OWS. Probably OWS themselves!!

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Being content with such things as Our Lord has allowed us to have doesn’t seem to be a part of the American psychic. There were six of us children and I am the baby of the family. My father was a sharecropper until I was nine and I remember him getting sick and almost dying. As he was recovering, a friend of ours told him about a job as janitor in a boys dorm at the University of Alabama. He finally earned enough to move us to an old apartment building in Tuscaloosa. To make a long story short, that job became his goal in life and he loved it dearly. He was like a father to every young man that came his way and it almost killed him when they made him retire at age 70. He never had a car but rode an old bicycle . The family put me up to asking him if we could give him a car. I will never forget his immediate response. He said, “Son I know you all love me but what would I do with one of those things; they are nothing but trouble.” He went on to say that he could do everything that needed to be done to keep his bicycle going including truing up the wheels by adjusting the spokes and changing his own tires but he looked on a car as nothing but trouble. I look on my dad as the greatest man other than JESUS that I have had the privilege to know. He loved everyone and my great desire is to be more like them.

    • http://AOL LIsa

      You are truly blessed to have had such a role model. What a better world we would live in if that were the case for every one of us.

  • mark

    Libertarians are often right when they talk about the many things that are wrong with our gov’t. But they have a much harder time accepting the many things that are wrong with the American people. This stems from the idea that the American people are just great if they could only live in a freer market with less taxes and regulation. In fact, Americans are fanatical, totally unbalanced consumers and it is one of the things that has hurt our economic strength for many decades now. The last couple of generations of Americans have had this attitude of: “I want it all, and I want it now!” Our grandparents were not like this. In the last couple of generations, gov’t debt is not the sole problem – personal debt and corporate debt are equally troubling and telling problems. We don’t just have an irresponsible gov’t, we have an irresponsible people. But Americans don’t like to hear such hard truths. They prefer to listen to politician who tell them what they want to hear, if we just cut taxes and gov’t spending everything will be all right. No, there are deeper structural problems with our economy much of which is based on a credit card mentality, a contempt toward saving for the future, and mad belief that materialism is the cure-all for everything.

    • eddie47d

      So true mark in that we want things we can’t pay for and don’t absolutely need.

    • Brian

      It hurts when the knife cuts you…I agree…

      • Doug

        Yes if this is how you lived your life but for us who don’t live this way we have had enough of paying for people who don’t want to work. Their are millions of us who work and save and do the right thing OWS and and politicians are curse on America!

        • mark

          Many in OWS are sincere and trying to rescue America from Wall Street’s corporate strangle-hold on our freedom. At least you can unelect politicians. But how do we unelect Wall Street which has a giant everyday impact on all our lives without many of us even realizing it.

          • Joe H.

            Mak,
            I wonder how many her defending OWS are collecting a wall street backd pension or retirement? how many of those protesters have parents that are living on one. Just like eddie, they curse and convict wall street and live on money from wall street!! Kinda hypocritical, wouldn’t you say??

    • Marty S.

      mark, I agree we are a very good at conspicuous consumption and are highly adept at using debt to fund our lifestyles. Not really an American Dream after the bill comes eh?

  • http://google Marvin McCardle

    This is a BS article. How can you possibly associate OWS with Black Friday. What a joke. This author must be a 1%. It is a sham that no one that caused this horrific downfall of our economy and forced thousands of people to lose their jobs are not being prosecuted. This was fraud at its best and the Republicans want to continue to let these people have tax breaks that no one else gets to make sure there is a divide between classes. Soon, you will be either rich or poor and no middle class and no small business. These one percenters want it all. They are the greediest bunch of slime this country has ever dealt with.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Marvin, ah yeah, its all the Repubs fault!__You libs crack me up, when are ya gonna get it__ the Repubs and the Dems are two heads of the same coin__Yadda, Yadda, Yadda!__I’m LMAO!!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        ..Sides Marvin, Repubs only have control of the House of Representatives…

    • eddie47d

      Marvin is correct and this article is just another set up. Marvin should have included the Democrats in his complaint though.

    • James

      Marvin M., What caused this Recession is that too many people, cities, states, and the federal government went too far in debt. They had no reserve to fall back on, and when the housing market couldn’t talk any more people into buying homes, even with low interest rates, no down payment, and no minimum income requirement, the market stalled then collapsed. That then triggered related businesses to fail, followed by necessary layoffs. Some cities are now declaring that they are bankrupt, and some States, especially California, are also in dire straights. This isn’t over, the worst is yet to come. Blaming this on bankers and governments is partially correct, but it was masses of people who fell for it, and irresponsibly plunged into debt.

      • Joe H.

        James,
        California doesn’t belong on that list!!! California got into that dire straights by their entitlement mentality and their welcoming unlimited illegals into the state. Those illegals, or at least a large percentage of them then go on welfare, collect a free college education, and all the rest of the freebies there is!!! now their budget is so inflated they can’t cover it!!!

    • Doug

      Wow your really don’t know your butt from anything do you? Here is a little something on taxes you might want to check out next time you want to say how well the Demorats are doing things along with that they give a rats butt about you! See below for your homework!

      First off, what President Bush enacted into law cut taxes across the board on everyone, not just the upper echelon. The 15 percent rate dropped to 10 percent, 27 percent to 25 percent, 30 percent to 28 percent, 35 percent to 33 percent, and 39.6 percent to 35 percent. Now go ahead and ask a lib which income bracket received the highest cut. Oh, snap: That would be the lowest income threshold, which nosedived five percentage points.

      The whole “tax cuts for the rich” is pure bunk, a lie that liberals shamelessly popularize. Not that this should surprise us one bit. Here we have a Democrat Party in America that couldn’t agree on a puny $1.2 trillion in spending reductions over a 10-year-period. That means that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi’s minions refused to slice off what amounts to $120 billion dollars a year of a federal budget nearly topping $4 trillion. Instead they insisted that taxes be jacked up to pay for their statist programs.

      Next up, we have the line that tax cuts blew the lid off of our deficit. That’s funny, because during the last year a Republican budget controlled Congress (fiscal year 2007), the deficit stood at a minuscule $161 billion dollars. $161 billion! That’s at least five years into the tenure of those evil tax cuts. Moreover, as HUMAN EVENTS has previously reported, federal tax receipts actually went up while the tax cuts were accelerating. In other words, the United States Treasury received more money not less because of the Bush tax cuts that we’re told ruined America’s economy.

      See for yourself:

      $1.88 trillion in 2004

      $ 2.15 trillion in 2005

      $ 2.4 trillion in 2006

      $ 2.6 trillion in 2007

      The last figure was actually the highest dollar amount brought into the Treasury Department… ever. That’s right, folks. While Democrats wail and whine about tax cuts as the main culprit for this country’s deficit woes, it turns out that we were bringing in bagfuls of money at historic proportions during that same time.

      • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68

        What about the 2 unfunded wars that were paid for from general funds ?

      • Joe H.

        doug,
        I agree, especially since I saw some money from the Bush cut, and NONE from the so-called cut that Abummer gave!!

  • art

    I’ve been eating on a $7.18 /12lbs turkey Butterball®™ from Wallyworld /mislabeled at $.58 perpound since Tgivin and still have many meals left in it.

  • FreedomFighter

    Words of warning:

    GET YOUR MONEY OUT OF BANKS NOW!

    IMHO the destruction of the money system is coming within months after the Christmas spending spree and all the fools are in debt from spending what they don’t have, the NWO will kick in on Q with riots, martial law and then WAR. The banksters will call in all the loans and take anything and everything they can from you.

    Make sure you have the physical deeds to your paid for homes and all other financial paperwork that proves ownership. Have your food prep done, weapons and ammunition on hand, water source and filters ready.

    Get your gold and silver if you can

    God be with you.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Angel Wannabe

      Freedom Fighter, Yeah, Looks the the shyts gonna hit the fan, Bam Bam’s Administration, is slowly coming apart at the seems too!_Google who’s retired, been indicted and such….its coming apart!__

    • Brian

      I’ve tried to tell my family and those close to me what is going to happen, whether it happens right after Christmas or 2 to 3 years…One thing I have learned(and I do have over 2000 ounces of silver, weapons, and almost 200 ounces of gold) is that the ‘powers that be’ can make things happen a lot slower than one would think. So, I don’t know if it will be this winter, next winter, or winters after that but I am going to be prepared and ANYONE that has wherewithall at all to be prepared – be prepared…

      • Angel Wannabe

        Brian, Its tough, when ya have family that thinks your some kind nut for merely wanting to be prepared. My kids 29-31 are comin’ round but they still see the material things they have right now, they’ve not the forth sight to look down the road for danger, or the possible loss of they’re materials, I guess preparedness comes with age._It’s easier still, to say you can handle it, if you lost everything tomorrow, while standing in the warmth and comfort of your own home._We lost our home to a fire in 90, so we’ve been with and been without.__Somehow ya make it.

      • FreedomFighter

        “right after Christmas or 2 to 3 years”

        In this case I sure would not mind being wrong, a few years and maybe we Americans can muster what it takes to stop it. Unfortunate for US the NWO has a time table and it culminates 2012. If you know why 2012 is so important to finish up plans, please do share.

        In any case preparations can only help in these troubling times.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68
  • richard higgs

    I agree with most of what you said, the exception being about the poor beong violent, and harming people . I am poor but not by choice; i became disabled after 3 strokes at the age of 38! I personally can be a damgerois man, even disabled, but i abhor violence as a means to an end umless it is absplutely needed. Our society has driven SOME POOR to that point buy this stereotyping of the poor. The majority of the workforce is poor, and all these taxes and fees keep tjem poor.

  • bob wire

    Ringer, I thought better of you. ~ Your connection between to dissimilar event offers such a bias it can be smelt.

    A quantum leap story line taken straight from the “welfare Cadillac”, ~ trust your lying eyes.

    The misbehavior of one individual in a mass of people and you attempt to draw political conclusions?

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Thanks Llsa The older I get the more I realize how great my role model was Simplicity with contentment is much needed in a world full of the lust for rich things and fame.

  • http://na Jim

    I watched these Black Friday swarms with amazement. Perpetuated by corporations and the almighty dollar just ruined my favorite Holiday. I haven’t bought a Christmas Present except one for my grandson in 5yrs. Going to sales like this would be irresponsible in my eyes giving my unemployment. I grow my own vegitables year around in pots because the soil is too poor and floods often. I have central air/heat that hasn’t been turned on except once a year for a day just to work the mechanics/maintenance. I can’t afford the extra electricity. I just sweat in the summer and put on more clothes in the winter. I also hunt and fish for meat. Its a far cry from what my retirement was suppose to be but at least it keeps me off of Food Stamps and unemployment is not an option in my state. You would be surprised at what you can get by without when you have to. But spending money on something as little as a fast food hamburger is out of the question with my limited budget. Until this old man can get a job this is what I will have to do to get by. All of this OWS or Black Friday stuff is baffeling to me to say the least.

    • FreedomFighter

      I will pray that God gives you what you need in these tuff times.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • eddie47d

      Corporations set up these Black Friday scams to make profits and apparently they work. Yet the author twists it around and make ordinary Americans look like evil people for falling for it. Then he even attempts to blame OWS for anything out of the ordinary. I do not shop on Black Friday but then again I seldom worry about the things others people have. I buy what I can afford and when I can afford it and my kids have learned to accept that decades ago.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I buy a small present made in the USA for everyone to open, and then I give them money. I am not going to stomp around the mall and the other stores. What I don’t see cannot hurt me. LOL I always find stuff I want for myself!!! All kidding aside, I find this to be much easier, they can get what they want.
        I do not compare OWS to Black Friday. Two separate entities. There are always some people that resort to violence in order to “get what they want.” It is stupid.

    • Theotherhalf

      I refuse to buy squat this year for Christmas. As a liberal libertarian I’m not buying into a “Christian” holiday promoted for the expressed purpose of capitalism. It’s gonna be a quiet celebration enjoying the family no pressure to buy, no stress trying to please everyone. No rearranging the house for two weeks and then cleaning it all up. , the kind of Christmas I’ve wanted for 50+ years. Simple,Thoughtful and prayerful.

      • Karolyn

        If everybody felt like you, this country would be in even worse shape! It is incumbent on Americans to spend money if they have it. Companies are not hiring because people aren’t buying. Simple. On ABC World News tonight – How many jobs can be created by each person buying one American-made gift.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Karolyn: here in town they promoted “Buy from local small businesses” this past Saturday. From what I hear they did pretty good. “Buy presents “made in the USA.” Always.

          • Karolyn

            I watched tonight, and they said if each shopper spent $64 on one American made item, it would create over 200,000 jobs! They really have been running a great series, getting people to buy American. People are contacting them from all over the country with suggestions of items made in America. Unfortunately, no electronics can be found.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            Yet the majority of posters here will purchase from wally world!!!!!

      • libertytrain

        The other half makes no sense – simple prayerful Christmas but bah humbug to the Christian Holiday of Christmas. Seems to me that is what Christmas is – a prayerful time. Perhaps you should be irate with the Germans – when Queen Victoria’s German husband brought his traditions to England and then it got to be what it is from there.

  • Dave B.

    This is not really fair. There’s nothing wrong with getting a good deal, is there? (As long as you don’t get violent)

  • Tammy Wolff

    Great article!

  • former walmart person

    I think alot of this is hype and black friday shoppers get too much dirt on them. Hell if anything, aren’t black friday shoppers giving a good kick to the corporations by at least giving fewer bucks to them for goods in return? I agree that completely boycotting them would be real damage, but who on Earth, even the most hard core surviavlists among us doesn’t purchase at least a few products from them??

    The alternative media is just as guilty as the mainstream media on the account of hyping up low instance events. At the Kohls I was at at Black Friday, there were SWARMS of people and guess what? Everyone was CIVILIZED and ORDERLY. No one punched anyone, stabbed anyone, etc. For every crazy shopper out there willing to punch and stab, there are thousands who behave in a civilized fashion. Of course we know that talking about the good majority is bad business and boring. We want to hear all about the crazed lunatic and say how it must mean society is crumbling. No, maybe not. See its basic probability and statistics. If millions and millions shop on black friday (smarter than giving more money to the corporations at other times in a year), then odds are yes, you will get some stabbings, just like in bigger populations, you have more low probability births of geniuses and seriel murderers because a low chance of a big number means some will fit the bill….

    Now when the crap hits the fan, EVERYONE will be DESPERATE for their food, becuase otherwise they WILL STARVE TO DEATH. Why is this a bad thing to do whatever you have to eat? Should these people just sit in their homes and starve to death?

    • Karolyn

      Very logical! Thanks!

  • Ol fuddie duddie

    It still boils down to understanding how life works. If you want what I have, put in the time, put in the sacrifice, save for the emergencies, be self sufficient and prepared, do without until you can afford to pay for it from money that you have earned by the sweat of your brow, stay out of debt, and share by “your” choice of whom you and your family will help to also become self sufficient. Be thankful for your blessings, and pass them on to those in need. Forgive others and forget why. Enjoy the journey and remember that it continues on the other side of the veil.

  • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68

    Believe Occupy Wall Street movement influenced this judges decision that’s what the movement is all about changing the way government and business;does business

    So again Robert you have gotten it wrong

    See you at the next rally

    http://www.propublica.org/article/why-a-federal-judge-trashed-the-secs-settlement-with-citigroup

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I must go now to call my Senators and express my opinion on S-1687. I hope that you will all do the same.

  • Karolyn

    Where does this information come from? Ringer says, “I do not mean to imply that all Black Friday shoppers are Occupy Wall Streeters or that all Occupy Wall Streeters are Black Friday shoppers. But the two groups have at least three things in common: They are very materialistic, they are angry about what they don’t have and they have no qualms about resorting to mob violence.”

    How does he know this?????

    • mark

      Like most of the authors on this site, Ringer is just a ideologically driven libertarian who distorts reality to make it fit into his mistaken world-view. Most of the articles on this site are ridiculous overreaches and appeals to emotion – not reason – always to drive home the same tired, liberatarian talking points.

      • JeffH

        mark, mark, mark…and you’re not ideologically(Marxist)driven?

      • eddie47d

        Well Jeff you are a flat out liar! Where greed is your creed and you don’t mind getting held up by men in suits. You feel obligated or DRIVEN to support their thievery on Wall Street because that is a part of the American tradition and has nothing to do with your Marxism diatribes. Although you think that in your mind.

        • JeffH

          eddie, eddie, eddie…I’m a “flat out liar”…is just another of your many and well documented lies…and you know quite well that I have never supported thievery of any kind, Wall Street or otherwise, quite the opposite. Of course you can substantiate every accusation you make with facts…right? Oops, forgot…your opinions are your facts while the rest of us recognize that an opinion is just that, an opinion…Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaaccckkk!

        • eddie47d

          You just had made the reply that Mark was Marxist driven. His was an honest comment and had nothing to do with Marxism. That makes you a liar and you are well aware of that. How long are you going to keep up that ploy? Take you dishonesty and get out of Dodge!

          • JeffH

            DUH eddie, that was a question as stated, far from telling a lie like you do. I know the difference! Do you?

            lie – a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

            Marx·ism (märkszm)
            n.
            The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society’s allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.

          • eddie47d

            Spin away all you want. Apparently you never received the memo on how cold blooded ignorant you are.

          • JeffH

            eddie, as usual in your case…stupid is as stupid does…yo’s is foevah!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8

  • brian

    Slavery in the good old USA is alive and well. It is just that the big corporations do not care if you black, white, brown, yellow or brindle. Robert Ringer obviously wants more slaves to work for less.
    Bet he is on a good wage. No wonder USA is on a downhill slide when it is full of selfish people.

  • vicki

    OP writes:
    “That being the case, the masses are fully prepared to vote for politicians who will assure them that their benefits will not be cut — provided they aren’t drunk, stoned, dead or in jail on Nov. 6.”

    Being dead is not always a deterrent to voting. :)

  • Alan

    An email I received concerning S. 1867 from a friend who contacted Marco Rubio’s office about this legislation. I am a TEA Partier and a Constitutionalist and at first I called up my Senator about this very legislation from the wire. Then today I received a credible source email about this content and found out that this is ACLU fear driven propaganda. Read on friends, I have included the text of the pertenant sections of this legislation at the bottom!
    ——————————————————————–
    Today, the Senator’s office received many emails and phone calls voicing concerns over the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. There have been many assertions made about these provisions, some of which could not be further from the truth. It just so happens these outlandish accusations are from the ACLU and their allies in Congress.

    First off, this bill does not allow the US military to supplant your local police department in carrying out typical law enforcement activities. Section 1031 only affirms the authority that the president currently has to detain certain people pursuant to the current military force authorization; in fact, this bill says that nothing in this section is intended to expand the president’s power. In addition, in reaffirming the president’s authority to detain people, this section specifically limits the people who can be detained under this act to only those people who planned or helped carry out the 9/11 attacks on the United States or people who are a member of or substantially support Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that fighting against the US and its coalition partners. Simply put, you need to be involved with Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or one of its surrogates and you have to make a deliberate act that directly supports their efforts against us in the war on terror to be detained under this act.

    Section 1032 of this bill deals with the requirements that are needed for the U.S. military to hold people in custody. This portion of the act differs from section 1031 in that this section deals with a much more select group of people that must be detained by the U.S. Military. Any person detained under the authority of Section 1032 must be a member or part of Al-Qaeda or an associated force AND they must have participated in the planning or execution of an attack against the US or our coalition partners. In addition, this section of the act has a limiting clause that specifically states that the military detention requirement does not extend to US citizens or lawful permanent residents.

    I want to thank you all for reaching out to the office to voice your concerns on this bill. I want to assure you that Senator Rubio and his staff always have, and always will, listen to your concerns and address them in a timely fashion.

    The Senator has proposed 2 Amendments to prevent the President from transferring foreign terrorists to the U.S. to be prosecuted in the federal court system. However, in regard to the idea that this bill allows the U.S. military to supplant our local police departments and detain otherwise law abiding citizens for purchasing gold or guns is unfounded. Those types of measures are not included in this bill; moreover, the Senator would never support them. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

    Please find the text of S. 1867, Section 1031 and 1032 below.

    Sincerely Yours,
    J.R.
    []

    J.R. Sanchez
    Director of Outreach
    Office of United States Senator Marco Rubio
    Hart 317
    Washington DC 20510

    Subtitle D–Detainee Matters

    SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
    (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
    (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
    (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
    (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
    (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
    (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
    (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
    (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
    (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
    (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
    (e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).

    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.
    (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
    (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
    (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–
    (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
    (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
    (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
    (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
    (c) Implementation Procedures-
    (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
    (2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
    (A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
    (B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
    (C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.
    (D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
    (E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.
    (d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.

  • Native American

    …” none of this phases you, try…”….Sorry, dude, but it is “fazes”…

  • Joseph

    On June 5, 1933 the United States Congress sold all of America, lock, stock, and barrel. The Federal Reserve system, a group of 12 Privately owned banks, owned by the trillionaire Jews, almost all Foreigners, owns all property, mountains, national parks, buildings and improvements, farms, rivers, machinery, and rights to grow crops, produce oil, and make products, in every inch of America, public and Private.

    You Ask – How is this possible?

    By the Constitution of the United States of America, it is not possible. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the United States Federal Government OWNS America, or has the right to SELL it to foreigners.
    But that is exactly what the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 did.

    To finance deficit spending by the Government ( Congress ) without limits, the Congress took out a first mortgage on the country, the terms of which give unlimited title and rights to the 12 private Federal Reserve Banks to all property and assets of the entire nation and it’s people.

    The few members of congress who objected, and tried to stop this travesty, tried to get the perpetrators impeached. The New Deal ( Communists ) Democrats had a solid majority, and a Democratic President, and the impeachments went nowhere. Both Acts would have to be Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America to be valid.

    The terms of the deal are such that the ownership of the Federal Reserve Banks does not have to be disclosed, as Offshore Chartered Trusts, the banks are outside Congressional control or oversight, outside any banking regulations control, audit by OMB, or any other scrutiny.

    The banks are chartered offshore as “ Trusts “, and do not have to disclose ownership, earnings, operate tax exempt, collect interest IN GOLD on the national debt loans they give to the government, and are allowed to be totally outside the reach of the US Congress, OMB regulations, and audit or disclosure requirements, or control of officers or management.

    The Federal Reserve Board, including it’s chairman, serve only to set policy objectives for the Prime Rate interest charged for your money loaned, and general policy for manipulation of the money supply.

    The sole function of the Internal Revenue Service, a Private Corporation, also chartered Offshore as a “ Trust “ is to acquire money and funnel it into the Federal Reserve Banks, to pay the Interest on the open-ended loaning of Fiat currency ( our own currency, called Federal Reserve Notes ) loaned back to the Government at interest.

    ALL of the Income Tax collected by the IRS goes for this purpose, not one penny goes to running the Government functions ( US Congressional record ). They ( the Administration )just print and issue currency as Fiat Money ( called legal tender? ) as they see fit to finance the US Government activities.
    http://citizensfortruthingovernment.org/Microsoft%20Word%20-

    %20The%20Day%20America%20Was%20Sold%20to%20the%20Jews.pdf

  • http://deleted Claire

    The OWS needed a leader, an organizer. Instead it is willy-nilly and up for grabs. The OWS group here in town is civil, and is getting more support and attendees.

  • peeznluv

    While I personally have not physically taken part in either of these “movements”, I am sure I stand for many others in saying this piece had some rather ignorant connotations to it.

    While Robert Ringer was good enough to point out that the OWS protesters and the Black Friday shoppers are not connected at the hip (really, I don’t think many of us actually see ANY connection there).

    But perhaps what is the most ignorant thing about this article is what is MISSING from it, the REAL reason why other nations are loosing faith in U.S. bonds. The REAL reason why U.S. currency is worth crap today. And it is NOT due to people expecting to keep their “entitlements”, such as their pensions, 401k, retirement plans, social security, etc. It certainly has nothing do to with the FACT that this self-inflicted recession is no excuse to be cutting budgets across our schools, health care, social services, children’s activities. In other words across our basic freedoms and human rights. We are cutting budgets in areas that are good for our society, rather than areas that are detrimental, all for corruption in our political and financial system. Corruption that has been embroiled into our very fiber, to point even people like Robert Ringer has apparently had the rug pulled out from his eyes.

    Robert was successful in throwing in plenty of metaphors around the real reason the USA…..the world for that matter, is is this financial pickle. Yet he failed at coming right out and saying it. In this one area that caused the great recession, the USA has broken International Laws, failed the ‘Bill of Rights” within its own Constitution, and gone against our founding fathers warnings. That is the military industrial complex. Robert sounds like the “fringe”, either highly uneducated— of at least the American Imperialism and miltarism that are tearing the U.S. apart and leading it toward mediocrity and bankruptcy, not-well traveled or among the criminal 1% of financial or political “elites”.

    If Robert does not consider himself among the “99%”, which actually comprises ALL Americans, then he is truely the only “lost soul”, a floater. At very least, unaware of what has transpired in the world and the U.S.’s pivotal role in the process. For, all of us are the 99%. Those of us MBA’s, MPH’s, gainfully employed, no credit card debt today, owning nice homes with no problems paying our mortagtes……but see firsthand what our overbloated MIC and spending on wars for entirley spurious reasons has done to our country. We are the ones who care, and want the best for our children’s future.

    There are plenty of books out there for the uneducated Robert Ringers of the world to find out the truth. Start with perhaps “With Liberty and Justice for Some”, by Glen Greenwald, or “The American Way of War” by Eugene Jarecki. Maybe even “Traders, Guns and Money” by Satyajit Das.

    It’s pathetic seeing people that just don’t seem to “get it” come off as great writers and naive, brainwashed people taking those words for granted. But of course, so is the case with mainstream media; most Americans absorb it by osmosis via numerous cliches.

  • Beverly

    Sure is a lot of intellectual bulls and throwing stats around which can be used to support any argument.

    What’s happening in this country is scary and we’ll be looking at a country that looks like a 3rd world county in a few years if these hot-winded republicans get their way. The rich will rule with an iron fist – all of us “spoiled” Americans who want things like microwave ovens and air conditioners and cars! Let’s see – the auto industry ruined public transportation for us before I drove, and now it is “the people” who are “spoiled”?!
    Today we are dependent on computers and internet service and phones to simply apply for jobs, but we are “spoiled” and somehow unreasonable for wanting electronic “toys”?!
    We are told to be healthy, and given tons of information about how to do it, and are forced to stop smoking cigarettes, but then told we are unreasonable for wanting to be able to afford healthy foods (which is not the fast food crap and packaged foods you can get at food banks).

    This attitude by Ringer and the Republicans (in general) makes me sick! Let’s not call the people who demand enough pay to buy SEVEN homes “spoiled”. Let’s not call those with private AIRPLANES “spoiled”. Let’s not call those who can afford VACATIONS “spoiled”. Let’s dump that label on the lower income sops who want a little more than a box to live in and Mcdonalds to eat!

    I SEE what these blowhards are up to – fast-talking salesmen trying to sell us all a bunch of BULL. Do not buy it. This country is going to hell in a hand basket the more we let the Repulsive-cans have power. I don’t care what they stood for in the past. Today they serve Corporate heads, not average Americans. It’s obvious.

  • Dona McDonald

    If they keep telling everyone that bad times are coming, it will come…..
    Try being positive American……

  • Joseph

    The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. The head of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes.

    They practically control both parties, write political platforms, make catspaws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations, and resort to every device to place in nomination for high public office only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business.

    These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of the newspapers and magazines in this country. They use the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of office public officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government.

    It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.

    This “invisible government”, exercises its control of the US Government through the Federal Reserve.

  • Bob Glinner

    Ironically, this site is called “Personal Liberty”. However, they censor any comments that don’t agree with their point of view. Truly pathetic….

    • libertytrain

      Only time as a poster I see something “censored” is if they attempted to put in foul language – however spelled – foul words don’t get past the filter – we’ve all tried a few and if you call that censoring you have a bigger problem than anyone can help. Or you need to start your own site that allows whatever your heart desires with regards to anything and including foul language

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