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The Osama Bin Laden Myth

November 28, 2012 by  

The Osama Bin Laden Myth
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The interview below with Osama bin Laden was conducted by the Karachi, Pakistan, daily newspaper Ummat and published on Sept. 28, 2001, 17 days after the alleged, but unsubstantiated, al-Qaida attack of Sept. 11, 2001, on the World Trade Center twin towers and Pentagon. The interview was sensational. The alleged “mastermind” of 9/11 said that he and al-Qaida had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. The BBC’s World Monitoring Service had the interview translated into English and made public on Sept. 29, 2001.

Bin Laden’s sensational denial was not reported by the U.S. print and TV media. It was not investigated by the executive branch. No one in Congress called attention to bin Laden’s refusal of responsibility for the greatest humiliation ever inflicted on a superpower.

To check my memory of the lack of coverage, I Googled “Osama bin Laden’s interview denying responsibility for 9/11.” Some Internet sites reproduced the interview, but the only mainstream news source that I found was a one-minute YouTube video from CNN in which the anchor, after quoting an Al-Jazeera report of bin Laden’s denial, concluded: “We can all weigh that in the scale of credibility and come to our own conclusions.” In other words, bin Laden had already been demonized, and his denial was not credible.

The sensational news was unfit for U.S. citizens and was withheld from them by the american “free press,” a press free to lie for the government but not to tell the truth.

Obviously, if bin Laden had outwitted not only the National Security Agency, the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the FBI, but also all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of Washington’s NATO puppet states, Israel’s Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, U.S. air traffic control and airport security four times on the same morning, it would be the greatest feat in world history — a movement-building feat that would have made al-Qaida the most successful anti-imperialist organization in human history, an extraordinary victory over “the Great Satan” that would have brought millions of new recruits into al-Qaida’s ranks. Yet the alleged “mastermind” denied all responsibility.

I remember decades ago when a terrorist attack occurred in Europe, whether real or an Operation Gladio false flag attack, innumerable organizations would claim credit. Perhaps this was the CIA’s way of diverting attention from itself, but it illustrates that every intelligence service understands the value to an organization of claiming credit for a successful attack. Although bin Laden denied responsibility, in 2011 some al-Qaida leaders, realizing the prestige value of the 9/11 attack, claimed credit for the attack and criticized Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for questioning the official U.S. story.

Although only a few Americans are aware of the Sept. 28, 2001 interview in which bin Laden states his non-involvement with the 9/11 attacks, many Americans have seen post-2001 videos in which a person alleged to be bin Laden takes credit for the attacks. There are two problems with these videos. Experts have examined them and found them to be fakes. And all of the videos appeared after bin Laden was reported by the Pakistan Observer, the Egyptian press and FOX News to have died in mid-December 2001 from lung disease. See this also.

Bin Laden also suffered from kidney disease. According to a CBS News report on Jan. 28, 2002, bin Laden was hospitalized for dialysis treatment in the Pakistani military hospital in Rawalpindi on Sept. 10, 2001, the day before 9/11.

Obviously, a man suffering from terminal lung and kidney disease did not survive for another decade to be murdered by a U.S. Navy SEAL team in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A Pakistani TV interview with the neighbor of the alleged “bin Laden compound” exposed the assassination hoax. This sensational interview also went unreported by america’s “free press.” I had the interview translated, and it is available here. See this also.

Shortly after the alleged assassination, 30 members of the SEAL unit died in a mysterious helicopter crash in Afghanistan. And now we learn that not a single one of the thousands of sailors on the aircraft carrier the USS Carl Vinson witnessed bin Laden’s alleged burial at sea from that ship. The press reports with a straight face that for unexplained reasons it was kept secret from the ship’s sailors. This is supposed to be the explanation of the sailors’ emails reporting to family and friends that they witnessed no burial at sea. Some speculate that the SEALs were bumped off before their questions to one another (“Were you on that raid?”) reached outside the unit. Apparently, it doesn’t strike the media or the public as strange that the U.S. government captured and killed the terror mastermind without interrogating him and without keeping any evidence or presenting any witnesses to support the assassination claim.

Adolf Hitler claimed that communists burned down the Reichstag and that Polish troops had crossed the frontier and attacked Germany. With 9/11, americans experienced Washington’s version of these grand lies. An omniscient bin Laden dying from terminal illnesses in distant Afghanistan defeated the american National Security State and drove his attack through the walls of the Pentagon itself, requiring for our defense a “war on terror” that destroyed U.S. civil liberties and financially ruined the country in order to prevent the triumph of a man who died of natural causes in December 2001.

On May 9, 2011, Professor Michel Chossudovsky republished the Sept. 28, 2001, bin Laden interview in Global Research.

Interview with Osama bin Laden. Osama Denies his Involvement in 9/11
By Global Research
Global Research, May 09, 2011
Url of this article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/24697

Global Research Editor’s Note
We bring to the attention of our readers the following text of Osama bin Laden’s interview with Ummat, a Pakistani daily, published in Karachi on September 28, 2001. It was translated into English by the BBC World Monitoring Service and made public on September 29, 2001.

The authenticity of this interview, which is available in recognized electronic news archives, is confirmed.
Osama bin Laden categorically denies his involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

Bin Laden’s statements in this interview are markedly different from those made in the alleged Osama video tapes.

In this interview, Osama bin Laden exhibits an understanding of US foreign policy. He expresses his views regarding the loss of life on 9/11. He also makes statements as to who, in his opinion, might be the likely perpetrator of the September 11 attacks.

This is an important text which has not been brought to the attention of Western public opinion.

We have highlighted key sections of this interview. It is our hope that the text of this interview, published barely a week before the onset of the war on Afghanistan, will contribute to a better understanding of the history of Al Qaeda, the role of Osama bin Laden and the tragic events of September 11, 2001.

Michel Chossudovsky, May 9, 2011

Full text of September 2001 Pakistani paper’s “exclusive” interview with Usamah Bin-Ladin

Ummat (in Urdu), Karachi, 28 September 2001, pp. 1 and 7. http://ummatpublication.com/2012/11/25/

Ummat’s introduction

Kabul: Prominent Arab mojahed holy warrior Usamah Bin-Ladin has said that he or his al-Qa’idah group has nothing to do with the 11 September suicidal attacks in Washington and New York. He said the US government should find the attackers within the country. In an exclusive interview with daily “Ummat”, he said these attacks could be the act of those who are part of the American system and are rebelling against it and working for some other system. Or, Usamah said, this could be the act of those who want to make the current century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. Or, the American Jews, who are opposed to President Bush ever since the Florida elections, might be the masterminds of this act. There is also a great possibility of the involvement of US intelligence agencies, which need billions of dollars worth of funds every year. He said there is a government within the government in the United States.

The secret agencies, he said, should be asked as to who are behind the attacks. Usamah said support for attack on Afghanistan was a matter of need for some Muslim countries and compulsion for others. However, he said, he was thankful to the courageous people of Pakistan who erected a bulwark before the wrong forces. He added that the Islamic world was attaching great expectations with Pakistan and, in time of need, “we will protect this bulwark by sacrificing of lives”.

Following is the interview in full detail:

Ummat: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

Usamah [Osama bin Laden]: In the name of Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the earth as an abode for peace, for the whole mankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and Momin true Muslim people of Pakistan who refused to believe in lie of the demon.

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.

Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.

There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya, and Bosnia?

Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

The US has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates.

However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that, it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of United States, or the latter itself considers them as its enemies. Or the countries, which do not agree to become its slaves, such as China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria, and the former Russia as received.

Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.

According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the US government has stated. But the Bush administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be any one, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This funding issue was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger.

They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usamah and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush administration approved a budget of 40bn dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance.

Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the US secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the US Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other US president, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who made the attacks.

Ummat: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching an attack on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa’idah declare a jihad against these countries as well?

Usamah: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want?

Al-Qa’idah was set up to wage a jihad against infidelity, particularly to encounter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared element of Islam. The first five being the basic holy words of Islam, prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca, and giving alms Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of it. Al-Qa’idah wants to keep this element alive and active and make it part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country nor we consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad.

We are in favour of armed jihad only against those infidel countries, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women, and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the US act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic shari’ah jurisprudence for such individuals, organizations, and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Amir ol-Momenin the commander of the faithful Mola Omar and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jihad. We are grateful to them.

Ummat: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the US is not too difficult. US experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is al-Qa’idah not targeting their economic pillars?

Usamah: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the US is not uttering a single word.

Ummat: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, inciting the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines, and TV channels.

Usamah: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim world but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today’s world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.

Ummat: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is being received from your sources about the network of Al-Qa’idah and its jihadi successes. Would you comment?

Usamah: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jihad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause.

The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which make us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people.
It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.

Ummat: What will the impact of the freeze of al-Qa’idah accounts by the US?

Usamah: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qa’idah or other jihad groups. With the grace of Allah, al-Qa’idah has more than three such alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jihad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path.

These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qa’idah comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

Ummat: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jihad?

Usamah: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usamah but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present when there was no Usamah and it will remain as such even when Usamah is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property, and children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the after life. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.

Ummat: What do you say about the Pakistan government policy on Afghanistan attack?

Usamah: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the wrong forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized, and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedin and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defence of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who rules Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

Copyright Ummat in Urdu, BBC translation in English, 2001

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THE UNITED STATES MEDIA AND EXECUTIVE/LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LIED ABOUT Osama bin Laden’s ALLEGED “INVOLVEMENT” BECAUSE IT KNEW THE AMERICAN PUBLIC – AND, INDEED, THE WORLD – WOULD BELIEVE A COLORED MALE IS A MASS MURDERER.

    NOW, THEY HAVE KILLED THE MAN.

    THE OLD FOLKS SAY, “The ‘Lord’ don’t like ugly; it’s gonna come back on ‘ya!”

    WATCH OUT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    • ron . r

      Just as I thought would happen. president Obama wins and some idiot with a degree writes a favorable article on Bin La Din. I shudder to think what would be said if Oberman, madow, or Sharpeton would have taken this position on someone like Bin La Din. Heck, they could not say a good thing about Huey Newton. Dr. Roberts, if that’s what he wants to be called is un-american

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        OBL died at Tora Bora many years ago, he had a ego where he had to have a video telling his enemies that he won, none after Tora Bora, only audio tapes which can be distorted. How did he get from Tora Bora over the mountains on a horse with out his kidney machine that he used every other day or died of kidney failure. No kidney machine when they killed some poor arab, no photo’s and buried at sea? Right, a obozo cover up and lie as always.

      • pete

        Listen I deplore Obama I think he’s an awful president. A statist who is eroding our freedoms everyday he’s in office. I am also skeptical of Osama’s death I think it is possible that he wasn’t killed in that raid and has been long dead. That said Bin Laden is human garbage and most certainly was responsible for 9-11.

    • Speak2Truth

      Saddam Hussein began a series of attacks on the US shortly after the Gulf War. His agent in the US, Ramzi Yousef, first organized the truck bomb attack on the World Trade Centers in 1993 with the objective of knocking down one of the towers. It failed. It was inevitable that they’d try again.

      Ramzi Yousef was captured after his involvement in the Oklahoma City Bombing (Terry Nichols apparently communicated and met with him to learn how to carry out that attack) so his uncle, Kalid Sheikh Mohammed, organized the second World Trade Center attack in 2001.

      PBS had carried an interview of a worker at the facility (Salman Pak) where Saddam’s intelligence agency trained up teams of four hijackers to carry out the 9/11 attack in the year prior. The fellow described them as non-Iraqis who annoyed their trainers because they knelt down to pray several times a day interrupting things.

      Saddam made no secret of taking credit for his success on 9/11. It’s just the US media keeping it secret from the American Public. Seriously, why wasn’t this plastered across the headlines?

      Mural in which Saddam takes credit for his victory on 9/11
      http://www.silcom.com/~vikman/Politics/saddam_mural.html

  • Opal the Gem

    “… WOULD BELIEVE A COLORED MALE IS A MASS MURDERER.”

    Ah ha but Arabs (for that is what the Saudies are) are Caucasion not “colored”.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Opal the Gem,”

      IN COLLEGE, I HAD SEVERAL SAUDI ARABIAN CLASSMATES. ANYONE WITH TWO EYEBALLS CAN TELL ARABS ARE NOT CAUCASIAN.

      MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALLOWED THE MEDIA TO TELL THEM WHAT PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN EUROPE AND THE MIDDLE EAST LOOK LIKE. YES – THERE ARE CAUCASIAN-LOOKING GREEKS AND ITALIANS; AND, THERE ARE ALSO ETHNIC GREEKS AND ITALIANS WHO ARE DARKER.

      ARABS WITH “white-looking” SKIN ARE OFFSPRING OF CONTINENTAL “INTERMINGLINGS.”

      • Deerinwater

        Correct Chris, ~ but what or who is severed by such an article as this?

        Please tell me, I would like to know.

        The whole article is predicated on the notion that Osama has the capacite to tell the truth.

        We could well assume the same of Charles Manson or Godffrey Dommor

        I tend to believe this is attempt to steal Obama thunder by casting doubt on simple minds that wish to believe they are a victim ~ of everything that does not wear this false label they use to identify themselves as “Conservatives” and nothing more.

        Carry on

      • Dennis48e

        ” COLLEGE, I HAD SEVERAL SAUDI ARABIAN CLASSMATES. ANYONE WITH TWO EYEBALLS CAN TELL ARABS ARE NOT CAUCASIAN.”

        According to you CAH I am not a caucasion either because I have a naturaly darker tan than most true blonds.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,” I WAS REPLYING TO “Opal the Gem’s” COMMENTS ABOUT RACE.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Dennis48e,”

        THE RULES OF RACE ARE BASED ON SCIENTIFIC DEFINITIONS IN REFERENCE TO FACIAL-BONE STRUCTURE, LENGTH AND WIDTH OF LIPS/NOSES, HAIR QUALITY, ETC. “Dennis48e,” HOW AND WHY DO YOU THINK FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGISTS ARE ABLE TO RE-CREATE THE FACIAL QUALITIES OF SKULLS FOR IDENTIFICATION?

        “Dennis48e,” GOING TO A TANNING-BOOTH, OR, HAVING NATURALLY-OPAQUE SKIN DOES NOT REMOVE BLUE OR GREEN EYES, ETC.

        AFTER I RETURNED HOME FROM COLLEGE IN 1992, THE UNITED STATES HAS HAD AN “INFUX” OF ARABS INTO THIS COUNTRY. FOR SOCIO-ECONOMIC REASONS SOME OF THESE ARABS ARE LIKELY TO “INTERMINGLE” WITH AMERICAN CAUCASIANS. SO, DO NOT BE CONFUSED BY THE “white-looking” ARABS LIKE, “Survivor Africa’s Winner, Ethan Zohn.”

        THE MAJORITY OF ARABS LOOK LIKE, Osama bin Laden.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      Opal Put down the crack pipe ! The only Aryans around that part of the world are the Persians !

      • Dennis48e

        No jimmy you need to put down your pipe, joint, and needle and all those little white pills you take to keep you awake while you are driving that wreck of a big rig you have because the Persians are even further from being Aryan than the Saudis

  • Kinetic1

    Mr. Roberts,
    This article raises many, many questions. It’s not out of the question that our government may have lied to us as they have many times before, but accepting that as fact does not even begin to answer all the other questions. With that in mind, allow me to bring you into my brain as I read through these accusations.
    1) The Bush administration knew it was not Bin Laden –
    Ok, there are many questions about these “attacks” and whether or not they were actually conducted by our own government. If they were, then we would need a scape goat. But why create a story-line that paints our own security offices as inept? And why pick a man who was already on the radar of the last administration, leading us to assume that Bush had dropped the ball? Yes, it did lead to the “Patriot Act”, but they could have still achieved that without making all of America’s leaders look like fools.

    2) Bush knew that Bin Laden had died just weeks after the attack, but chose to keep it quiet. -
    Understandable, given that we all know about Bush’s interest in finding a reason to attack Iraq. And I suppose having that card in your pocket could come in handy down the road. But why didn’t he ever play it? 9/11 saved Bush’s butt as he was slipping down in the polls. It brought the country together and lifted his approval rating to 90% in some polls, however by 2004 he was dipping into the high 40s. With an election looming this would have been a good time to claim victory. He managed to win the election with the help of Carl Rove and the Swift-boaters, but not by any great margin. Now comes the 2008 election. Bush’s numbers are languishing in the 20s and McCain/Palin need all the help they can get. Why not play Bin Laden? Why leave him for Obama?

    3) The World Press knew about Bin Laden’s denial and death, but the American Press kept quiet/covered it up. -
    If you suggested that FOX News covered this up to help then President Bush, I’d go along. The Washington Times, Weekly Standard or perhaps the Wall Street Journal, Maybe. But I hear over and over again on this and other Conservative sites that most news sources are Liberal and would do ANYTHING to weaken the Republican party and the Nation for that matter. Can you imagine the damage they could have done to Bush? Do you think the Republicans could have won control of the House if this news had been printed in any major news papers? What reason to offer for the entire U.S. press to stay quiet?

    And that just scratches the surface.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      And who owns and runs the American Press ? The Zionist .

      • Robert Smith

        “The Zionist .”:

        Actually Jimmy, that’s a lie. It’s big corporations.

        Rob

    • independant thinker

      If we are going to play around with conspiracy theories involving the US government in 9/11 then the most logical one would say bin Laden “did it” but he was enabled/aided by the US government.

      • SarahR

        OK. I’ll go along with that. I believe our own government caused this tragedy. I saw no look of surprise in Bush’s face when told of the news of 9/11 and we all saw one bldg imploding on TV over and over.

      • Isaac

        Are you surprised? The threshhold of falsehood in government here is not different from the fibs about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. A mere pretext orchestrated to justify invasion of Iraq for oil at the expense of precious lives of Amirican youtths and the innocent lives of Iraqi citizens

    • jeanne nix

      I am so sad about what is happening. Does this mean the videos on U tube are real? We can’t trust anything out of the mouths of our Government; Not now, nor before, my heart is broken about what I am finding out about the Bush’s and other people in positions of authority; What about the slaughter of all the Seals, our brave men being dishonored just because of someones got-to-have. Our freedoms are being taken away to destroy the Constitution, our lives being ripped apart our children. We have got to remember God above all in these trying times. I hoped and prayed I would never have to witness Evil to this Magnitude in my lifetime, I don’t know why but I believe what I read. When did we turn into a Nation of liars, above all! United we Stand; Divided we Fall; Truth Justice and the American way? No wonder we are the laughing stock of the rest of the World.

  • Paul Wells

    I have a little trouble digesting the idea that Osama had nothing to do with this, when it was reported at the time that he had himself personally trained 2 or 3 of those selected for this “mission” on 9/11. The other disingenuous idea is that Osama would tell the truth to any infidel reporter. Anyone at least somewhat knowledgeable in the teachings of the Quran would know that it’s okay to lie your butt off to the infidel. Sometimes, there ISN’T a conspiracy lurking around every corner, and it simply is, what it is.

  • Steve E

    Bush should have done what Obama did on the last 9/11 tragedy. He should have blamed it on a spontaneous attack due to a movie.

    • eddie47d

      Bush pointed fingers everywhere but the right places.

      • Steve E

        That’s also what Obama is doing right now.

      • S.C.Murf

        Kind of like Clinton and his cigars fast eddie. I firmly believe we are lied to daily and have been for many many years. The lust for power, riches and immortality are just to strong. We are all being played eddie. There is only one we can trust and getting down on your knees puts you in good standing with Him. May the love of Jesus give you peace and truth bud.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Robert Smith

        Hey SC, you post: “May the love of Jesus give you peace and truth bud.”

        No matter how good the flock it always gets sheered or killed and eaten.

        Have a nice day.

        Rob

  • Bob

    the article by roberts prooves one thing for sure. Anyone, in their cyber lip flapping moment in time can make up a bunch of BS and get it on the internet for other like minded cyber lip flappers to repeat. Roberts, leave the hooch alone, get a real job and be an asset instead of a liability to the world.

    • Deerinwater

      Exactly, ~ fodder for the brain dead with little to do but pick their nose.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Deerinwater,

        Do you mean the brain dead who accept the official story of 9/11 that not even the 9/11 Commission believes?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Ted Crawford

        Bob
        What a Government commission does or does not believe is largely irrelevent! Usually has far more to do with political agenda than any facts! Case in point; Ever read the Warren commission Report on the Kennedy assignation?
        I nearly said tha i had, but that is exactly the truth! I was actually about half way through when I gave up! If I’m to read Fairy Tales, I’ll read Snow White! It’s much more entertaining and far, far more believable!

      • Deerinwater

        Rabbit Holes Mr. Livingston, just rabbit holes ~ pick and choose which one you what to jump in, ~ at some point they will connect, ~ where as any connection is relevant or not, ~it’s hard to say.

        Osama was used by some “identity” and compromised, ~ much like Lee Oswald or John Wilks Booth. ~ there was a “force” behind them all. Clearly, just removing these individuals did not remove the “force” .Today, the Confederate Flag is a defeated banner but that does not stop people from flying it while claiming that “The South shall Rise Again”

        But let us accept ~ these men were no “Joan of Ark” ( “The Maid of Orléans” ) and the world is a better place with their shadow removed from the ground they once stood.

        We will never, ever identify, locate and kill all the bad men Mr. Livingston but it won’t be because we haven’t tried. Bad men need to fear justice, ~ for without it what would we have?

        “W” was big with unfinished business and taking his eye off the ball, ~ he lost focus. he lost Osama and he lost me. Just too many distracting I suppose ~ and it was “HARD”!

        We don’t have this Pollyanna attitude in the 1st chair position today ~ and I’m grateful for that.

        If the truth be know, ~ this rabbit hole would most likely lead to some bankers mansion that is smart enough to keep his head down and employs many proxy’s that employ many labels.

        If we are looking for a single “label” ~ and a BIG “X” , we will never find them.

        The truth has never been available for the mere asking.

      • Robert Smith

        Not the “brain dead,” but an eye witness and wife of a pilot who was on a bus in the mixing bowl and saw that it clearly was an airplane, not a missile, that hit the Pentagon.

        And her husband who was on the site as a ham and saw the engins being picked up.

        Personal contact with people I trust.

        Rob

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Where are the links to the sources for your claims Robert Smith?

    • Jim

      I think The people drinking hooch are the ones who blindly believe everything coming from main stream media. Anyone who can logically think has to have a lot of questions as to what happen on 9/11. It is not unpatriotic to ask questions. We deserve to know the answers!!!

      • Deerinwater

        Well, how about you knowing what everyone else knows ? , ~ “to deserve” implies ~ what?

        Everyone feels deserving and mostly for good reasons, but they are many and not one.

        I’d like to know where Jimmy Hoffa is! Do “I “deserve it? I think that his family does, his mother, his children but I don’t “deserve” it.

    • S.C.Murf

      Bob I don’t put it past any of them (either side) for one second that they would do something on this scale. If you think they would not then you have already converted to what they expect of you, obedience, how does it feel?

      up the hill
      airborne

  • http://gmail.com ilyas

    Why can’t US make public the evidence about 9/11 which the ‘oil lobby’ had? Why the US is keeping some suspects in custody for more than 10 years and it appears to be lacking the evidence which would do justice to the ‘accused’ in good faith?
    9/11 was a big tragedy but who did it! People In Asia, generally, believe that was a grand conspiracy by the oil-lobby which was patronized by George W for known reasons.

  • Mary

    These are scary times right now in America. Obama has told so many lies to us–what’s next? He kepted so many issues hidden to make himself look good for the election–which got him elected again. All these lies are starting to unfold and I think the only true “AMERICAN” thing to do is impeach him–get him and his members out. Just look at the debates we had especially the one with Paul/Joe. Joe thought the whole debate was a joke—we have major problems to solve and all he did was laugh at Paul and blow up at Paul. What a man(sick). I have never saw a debate like that. The Democrates have given out so many freebies–really that is why he go elected again cause it can’t be for his record. I think the election should be held again. His record for the last 4 years was a given. He doesn’t care about the 4 men that got killed, but he was so upset that “Rice” got attacked on why she went on TV and said what she said. Then to pull the “black card” for the reason they went after her. Why is it that you never hear the “white card” being pulled–this will never end. If someone is not doing their job(black,white,orange,yellow,green,whatever color) you should be questioned about it. Obama still hasn’t told us what has happened and that is what is so scary about him…. It’s one lie after another–what kind of a president is that? I know they all lie, but this guy is different on the way he lies and that is what’s so scary about him….

  • roger

    food for thought, for the thinking………
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaGFrVNDm48

  • Mr. T

    To deny the fact that 9/11 was a means by the shadow government to push their war machine agenda, the insiders no contract war trading, their economy weakening agenda, their one world government agenda, their need to attack countries that did not have a Rothschild central bank and simply an inside attack on America, is to overlook the amount
    of money that has been made from this false flag attack, the amount of debt the central banks have created, the numerous bills & acts that have been passed against the citizens of the world that could not have been passed otherwise, the fact that an agency of brown suites were created and spread across the country ( Homeland ), the fact that the buildings could not have fallen the way that they did without explosives, the traces of explosives that were found onsite, the coincidence that the records to the missing 2 Trillion dollars that Chaney had just pledged to recover were destroyed,the fact that Marvin Bush was head of the security company contracted by the World Trade Center & United Airlines and that his nanny mysteriously died at his home on 9/12, That the World Trade Center was subject to a Billion dollar asbestos abatement, that the buildings were inefficient , the elevators were to slow and the vacancy rate was high, etc, et cetera, and so on, and other things –

    Instead you want to believe in TV made characters – Why didn’t your Rambo get involved? Where was your mission impossible crew?

    More shocking news, your Mommy TV is a lying [expletive deleted] and is in cohorts with the part of your government that never changes, the real part that you apparently never see -

    • Mr. T

      And of course your denial would also overlook that Paul Craig Roberts has been in the belly of the beast and has seen the evils at work and has inside contacts around the world, while most people only have time to gather sound bites from their Mommy TV -

    • Mr.T

      An easy place to start is Jekyll Island – With this group that started the private corporation called the Federal Reserve you have agents of Rothschild of London and the Warburgs of Germany –

      THESE TITANS of Industry and Banking took over Americas monetary system, Banking, Industry, became the Military Industrial complex, the creators of national debt, creators of the private corporation called the IRS as their personal collectors, creators of the CIA as their business expand-ers and private thugs, the IMF ( short term loan shark (, the World Bank ( Long term loan shark ) the United Nations,( the expand-er of one world government ), the bank of international settlements ( expand-er of one world banking ), take over of the medical profession, the education system, the CFR ( Controller of the media, the Bilderberger Group ( the controllers of business ) , etc, et cetera, and so on, and other things –

      WHO then would be the shadow government -

      • http://Yahoo JD

        I have had that Semi-Belief of a NEW WORLD ORDER since I was a teen.
        Science Fiction?? With all the comments, of how, what, whys,we all have,none of us can take any of it said as fact. So many theorys are taken as truth or fact, we just need someone to hate,or blame. I tend to go with this hidden entity. Horrifing thought, but maybe more feasable than all our theorys. God Bless Our America.

  • K

    For anyone to begin the process of quesioning what happened and by who only needs to check out what we have been told about the video and fall of building 7 on 9/11. If that doesn’t start your brain thinking then maybe question why only 1 video is available of the attack on the pentagon…seriously…one video of what should be one of the most heavily survalenced buildings in the US. Something horrible happened that day, but WE ALL should be questioning why and by who. Keep your mind open.

  • nickkin

    I can believe that many of the agencies within the US government would do anything to keep their budget and jobs alive. But would they go to that extreme ? Are there that many entwined “secret agencies” within our borders to conspire such a catastrophe and combined with foreign countries, to bring our nation down? Is socialism the scape goat that our infected media is pushing? Apparently obama with the “redistribution system” is one of many arrows in a ” quiver of intent” to destruct the American way of life, whatever that may mean. With all of this , I see this as a globalization effort to unite all under one-leader. Another reading I happened upon was the facts of foreign-contributions that are now being investigated into, of funds to obama campaign. This leads me to believe that there are some powerful sources, organizations, and groups within our own government that have the capability of the cause and effect of destruction of America. But the last question I have is, who is “pulling the strings” of the puppets from the presidency to the congress?

    • http://Yahoo JD

      nickkin, I am so in tune with you comment. I commented earlier about the, New World Order. Science fiction 50 yrs. ago? Maybe not so far from possible, or real now. A terrorfiying thought isn’t it.

  • Conaire

    Granted, the idea that a shadow government is complicit in or outright responsible for 9/11 is difficult to comprehend. It is uncomfortable to recognize that our world view, our belief system may be wrong. This is cognitive dissonance. To accept the fact of this evil means that everything we were taught to believe about the federal government is a lie. The federal government, or those that control it, lied about the reasons for the Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Korean War, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. The federal government lies about the Federal Reserve System as well as most economic statistics it publishes. Those that control the government lie to mislead the people and shape the agenda. Given that the government nearly always lies, in the absence of any tangible proof of the government’s version of 9/11 or on the death of Osama bin Laden, only an unthinking fool would find it believable. Dr. Roberts demonstrates considerable courage for bringing the truth about this myth to light.

  • Chris Condon

    The 9/11 Truth Movement seems to be gaining traction rapidly. This is good news. I’m not sure what happened on September 11, 2001, but I am sure that the official version is false. I am also sure that what happened on September 11, 2001 was not what the conspirators wanted to happen. Given the smoking guns and loose ends that have emerged, it is obvious that things went wrong in a big way. That gives me confidence that the conspirators, whoever they were, will be caught and brought to justice. Many thanks for Bob Livingston and Paul Craig Roberts and of course many others for pressing this issue.

  • roger

    I find it also very interesting that of the 3200 Sailors and Marines on board, not a single one was on “watch” anywhere on deck, and not a soul saw something pushed overboard on 2 May, 2011. I must call double B.S. on that lie…….

  • Don

    Osama Bin Laden is dead, but, not by the hands of the Obama regime.

  • ranger09

    Several things for all you arm chair Sgt Fridays out there. Our Air Base In Saudi Arabia, The Royal Family, Osama Bin Laden, Al-Qaida Training Camps in Afganistan, And Israel of Course. Put all the Basic pcs together. Also Note if you were a super smart Man as OBL was, Would you Attack the WTC and kill as MANY as possible OR would you want to kill as FEW as possible. A smart Person would HAVE picked 11 AM as the best time and not as early as was done. Most workers are in the Bldg by 10AM, The TOURS start after 10AM, MORE people would have been on the streets Below. A perfect dropping of two Very large Bldgs, A very not normal happening.And what about the 15 Terrorists, Most were from Saudi Arabia. BUT where and what was these Men doing BEFORE 9/11. Also OBL was outcast from Saudi Arabia, THEN he had his Citizenship taken away. BUT Arabs still followed him seeking advice, Mostly about REVOLTING againest their Leaders. Who were the Men and where did they come from THE ones that were hired to kill Saddam H. Also they tried to Pardon and hire killers to Kill OBL, BUT no Arab would take the Offer.Also no one would turn him in for the reward, Wonder Why.Oh well work on it and you just could come up with some Facts.
    Sometimes people with facts do come up Killed. Just a Fact.

  • ranger09

    OBL was always outspoken about the Royal Family, He was also outspoken about the USA and its Control of Arab Countries leaders. OBL was a rich man that would share not only his Money BUT also his Blood for for his People. At one time WE even Praised the Man, As A hero and one of a kind. But Power and Greed rules this world, So sometimes we make a Good Man into a Bad Man. And we have very few Good men Left.
    My Grandpa once told me to Respect your Enemy Soldiers, For with out respect you will always have him as your Enemy.

  • NoteToSelf

    IF this is true and I believe it is, then the enemy is within and we have a lot of explaining to do around the Middle East.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “NoteToSelf,” YOU ARE ON POINT!

  • JORGE ALBERTO RIVERA

    ALL OF YOU ARE “OBAMA” BUT NONE OF YOU HEAR OR SAW WHAT I SAW AND HEAR, I JUST SAY: THEY SAID, THEY WILL BLOWOUT THE BIG TOWERS AND THEY WILL BLOWOUT THE WHITE HOUSE ALSO A BETTER IMPORTANT POINT TO HURT THE ECONOMY OF THE UNITED STATES,(I KNOW THE PLACE) I KNOW WHICH-ONE THEY TALKED BUT YOU INSIST IN BLAME GEORGE BUSH FORMER PRESIDENT I AM INSIST WAS A TERRORIST ATTAKED VERY PLANNED, OVER THE YEARS(12) AND NOBODY LISTENED ME AND I GOT MY OWN PAIN(WHEN I REMENBER THAT DATE), YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND AMERICAN IDIOTS! I SAVE THE LIFE OF GEORGE BUSH! THAT IS WHY HE IS LOOKING TO THE CLOCK TO SEE IF MY CALL WAS REAL OR A LIE! STOP FOR AT-ONCE AT ALL IDIOTS! I KNOW WHO I SAW WITH THOSE PEOPLE! AND YOU LOVE THAT GUY! AMERICAN IDIOTS!!!! I AM NOT LYING 12 YEARS IN SIDE OF MY HEAD, ME AGAINTS THE WORLD AND YOUR RACIST FEELING, MY NAME IS JORGE ALBERTO RIVERA AND I DON’T SCARE ANYMORE!!! KILL ME IF YOU WANT ANY WAY I WILL KILL, I HAVE 3 ATTEMPTED MURDERS BY AL-QAEDA HIS NAME IS IN THE MOST WANTED BY THE F.B.I. “ADNAN G. EL SHUKRIJUMAH” LOOK AT THE F.B.I. WEBSITE, STOPED IS TIME TO ME TO THINK WHAT TO DO AND WHO GOVERMMENT WILL WRITTE, I CAN’T GET A JOB IN THE LAST 4 YEARS, I WONDER WHY?! I GET INVOLVED BY IN ACCIDENT, I SURE NEVER BE THAT NIGHT OF SEPTEMBER 10, 2001 AT APPROXIMATELY 23:00 HOURS, MY LIFE IS A DISASTER SINCE THEM, “OSAMA BIN LADEN” WAS THE MASTER MIND!! LIKE OR NOT TO YOU AMERICAN IDIOTS!! THEY SAY HIS NAME. I AM TIRED OF HIDING FROM AL-QAEDA AND NOW FROM YOUR RACIST GOVERMMENT AND YOU AMERICAN IDIOTS! WHO LOVE THAT INDIVIDUAL AT THE “WHITE HOUSE”. SINCERILY TRULY JORGE ALBERTO RIVERA.
    P.S.: STOP BLAME MR. GEORGE BUSH…………………..”LOOK FORWARD”? JULY4,2002 / BLACKOUT NEW YORK / MAYRELAND / ZACARIAS / 1 TICKECT TO GETO OUT OF U.S.A. TO SAO PAULO,BRASIL TO RIO DE JANEIRO, BRASIL TO LONDON, ENGLAND / DIRTY BOM / WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT?…… SEPTEMBER 11, 2003 THE U.S.A. BANK TOWER THE MOST TALLER TOWER IN THE LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA, THEY WHERE AT THE 5 STAR HOTEL, DO YOU THINK I LOVE THIS COUNTRY MORE THEM YOU AMERICAN IDIOTS?! DO YOU THINK I DESERVE TO BE DISCRIMINATED BY YOU?! SOME ONE SAY: THANKS MR. RIVERA?! NO YOU AMERICANS IDIOTS HATE ME! WHY?!FOR BEING LATINO, DO YOU THINK WE ARE YOUR ENEMIES? YOU ARE ALL WRONG, ONE THING IS: THE MEDIA NEVER HAVE THE INFORMATION, LOOK WHAT YOU DON’T THE DEMOCRATICS TO ALBERTO GONZALES, WHY? BECUASE SOME ONE STOLE INFORMATION TO HIS PERSON AND THAT IS CALLED SECURITY BRIGE FROM EMPLOYEES, WHO THEY TRANFER THAT INFORMATION ABOUT TERRORIST IN THE UNITED STATES? LOOK FARWARD!

    • NativeBlood

      Translation please?

  • Antonio

    Of course osama bin laden never had anything to do with 9/11…NO planes ever even hit the towers, duh

    • Toy

      Carry on with the, “Duh!”, I think it suits you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/gimmesumadat.whatyougot Gimmesumadat Whatyougot

    Will the ‘real’ Bin Laden please stand up? Unfortunately, he can no longer stand at all. Will the real Saddam Hussein please stand up? Oh, ya, he can no longer stand either. Then how about Mohmar Gaddafi? Oh, …right. How about J.F.K.? Really, him too?

    JFK knew and openly spoke of clandestine groups within the US government. And he was preparing to do something about them. Duh! Talk about letting the ‘cat out of the bag’! See where that got him? Of course there is a hidden government within the government. There are ‘players’ outside of government as well, that “Really’ pull the strings of this puppet government.

    And yes, the American people by in large, are asleep in their dream world, zombie state, of dumbed down mind control! Where will this get them? Right here, 2012 – 13, giving praise to the very ones who stole the whole ‘American Dream’ right from under them. It’s hard to feel sorry for those who invited the thieves into their house, and then find out later their home has been ransacked!

    Where is the investigations, or the punishment of the guilty, for corrupting and stealing from the U.S. citizens and the world at large?

    It is only by misdirection that a magician can fool the observer. It has worked for thousands of years, to put on ‘False Flag’ operations, to gain an upper hand against the enemy. Even if that enemy is one of their own. There has been many attempts to overthrow the U.S. from within. Just search Prescott Bush, or Marvin Bush. The rotten apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!

    As was spelled out in the lead article, “Obviously, a man suffering from terminal lung and kidney disease did not survive for another decade to be murdered by a U.S. Navy SEAL team”. If Bin Laden was the No.1 enemy of the state, why was he not apprehended when he was admitted to an American Military Hospital? There are many statements to back up that he was visited by American diplomats, military commanders, and heads of state while confined there. Pre 9-11 as well as after.

    Something is rotten in Denmark, and it smells of the U.S. of A. (The A stands for A$$holes).

  • SJJolly

    Paul Craig Roberts believes Osama bin Laden over our own government? Perhaps bin Laden remembered what previous terrorist groups found out — that claiming credit for their deeds got them a lot of hot-lead-type heat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/garry.newby.54 Garry Newby

    All it takes to believe what the government told us on 9/11 is to forget all the laws of science and mature. Then run a cheese grader across your head for a while.

  • SarahR

    I have heard for years that Bin Laden died of Kidney disease and his countrymen buried his body in the mountains of Pakistan. I have always believed that our own government caused this horrific tragedy. It was so obvious. One building imploded. We all saw it on TV over and over. And TV cameras were on W. Bush when 9/11 occurred and the look on his face was not one of a president that has just heard of the worse tragedy to happen in America. The One World Order Globalists have been ruining this great country for over 50 yrs. They assassinated JFK and Bobby Kennedy because they wouldn’t fall in line and do their bidding. The first Bush talked of the New World Order. The Bush family, Carter, Clintons, Obama all chosen, bought and paid for by the NWO. How do you think Obama won his second term? Has anyone looked up how many people died during Clinton’s administration. Associated with Clinton,. How many people have died associated with Obama and what about Braithbart? We need to get America back and soon.

  • TheOtherWhiteMeat

    Y’know what? Muslimes are allowed to lie in order to further their agenda, so why believe anything he says? They’re not supposed to kill innocent women and chldren? Then why are so many of them-Christians-being killed/tortured in Africa?

    • Robert Smith

      why are they uisng human shields in the Gaza?

      Rob

  • nickkin

    What happens when a person gains all the wealth and fame one could possibly have and not give a hoot about the “American Dream” that titles many peoples goals in America? They get bored. Is that what the 1% is doing? After all the money is gotten, what else would be fun to do? Answer-lets mess with people’s lives. Let’s start wars and skirmishes and see what happens to other countries and then let’s really get bold and see if we can screw up the American society. Limbaugh say’s that we now have a “Santa Claus” government. How true. The government say’s, ” lets mess with the minds of the public and see how many presents they will accept before they realize they may be paying for them with their own blood.” The government will throw in a few Bengazi’s, fool with the borders and jump the Constitution. We will also mix in some Chicago-style politics and get the Dems & Repubs to get involved in Cage-Fighting (Congress) to entertain the brain-dead media and bloggers, (like me). But don’t worry, the general American public will have enough Christmas presents to last for awhile and forget all about the fiscal cliff, 16 trill & growing, voter fraud and all the fuel to officially holler out, ” ROME IS BURNING “!!

    • Deerinwater

      I think that maybe you have OD’d on FoX, but I get your drift. ~ There is nothing new under the sun my friend, ~ you have just spent too much time around the old Fox camp fire and scorched your hair a bit. ~ back away from the heat and cool down for a while. ~ Everything is fine, it’s just money and numbers and a lot of hot air.

      Nero did burn Rome, by then it was probably the best thing for the world, but rough on local Romans to be sure. They lived large for many centuries, the door has to slam on someone’s tail.

      To every beginning there is an end. Without an end , there can be no beginning.

      Why are you afraid of tomorrow? Both your success and failures are there. Are you worried of success or of failure? Or just worried that tomorrow might never come? Or are you afraid that you have lived a false life and fear being found out tomorrow? ~ I sure hope not. To thine own self be true, ~ if you cannot be true to yourself, who can you be true too?

      It is not government that is messing with peoples minds, it,s people messing with their own mind! People that want you to feel like them, defeated , angry, confused , frustrated, enticing you to act out in a self defeating manner and do their bidding, for they don’t have the numbers to do their will alone, they “NEEED” your help so desperately ! Wanting you help them, ~program you, enslave you like themselves ~ Please! ~ Want you come, why not now? Why wait, make that call, give them the power over you that they want, do it now. They will promise you the world in exchange for your soul. If you are not using it, whats the loss?

      Whatever happened to, “Yea tho, I walk thought the valley of the shadow if death, I FEAR NO EVIL, ~ for thou art with me? ~ Are you alone tonight?

  • Smithkowitz

    Here’s hoping that before my hourglass runs out, the truth shall be known about 9/11 and many of the other conspiratorial issues society has been misled about for the past 50+ years.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    This old bone, again? For what purpose? So each side on this board can present their weak arguments as to which wing of the media-bird is telling the truth? Irrelevant, as the media(both wings) does not concern itself with the truth, as much as it does with the dialectical process. That is the purpose of the media and the very reason for its existence. The question is not wether the media exports the truth, or the lie, or which political wing of the media is the most trustworthy, for that matter. No, the correct question inquiring minds should be asking; why is the media being used to facilitate the “dialectical-proccess”, and what is the desired end-result of those who own and operate this”Frankenstein”? Well, first, inquiring minds need to know and understand what is a “dialectical process” and its purpose!

    From Twisting Truth through Group Consensus: “Tension, created by diversity, is essential to the dialectic process. It energizes members and — when manipulated by well-trained facilitators — produces synergy. You can’t guide people toward synthesis (compromise) unless there are opposing views — both “thesis and antithesis.” That’s why the consensus process must include all these elements:

    -a diverse group
    -dialoguing to consensus
    -over a social issue
    -led by a trained facilitator
    -toward a pre-planned outcome.

    The true dialectic group never reaches a final consensus, for “continual change” is an ongoing process: one step today, another tomorrow. To permanently change the way we think and relate to each other, our leaders must set the stage for conflict and compromise week after week, year after year. Dialectical thinking and group consensus must become as normal as eating. Eventually, people learn to discard their old mental anchors and boundaries — all the facts and certainties that built firm convictions. They become like boats adrift, always ready to shift with the changing winds and currents.

    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/dialectic.htm

  • http://cdewick@tds.net Nothingtobedone

    I still do not believe Osama ben laden is dead–it’s all hype. In any court of law in the United States, the first evidence of someone being dead is that of producing the BODY.

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