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The Obama Thugocracy

April 9, 2012 by  

The Obama Thugocracy
OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE PHOTO BY PETE SOUZA
President Barack Obama rose to office like a Mafioso don.

With his approval ratings below 50 percent as an election looms, Congress gridlocked over his economy-destroying budget proposal and the prospect that his signature piece of legislation — Obamacare — is likely to get thrown out as unConstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court, President Barack Obama and his minions have ratcheted up their tried and true modus operandi: thuggery.

This has long been common practice for Obama. His career was launched from the home of a convicted terrorist. His parents, friends and key influencers were socialists and communists. It is who he is.

Obama was first elected as a U.S. Senator from Illinois only after he and chief operative David Axelrod arranged to have the sealed divorce records of Obama’s opponents unsealed: first Democrat primary opponent Blair Hull’s, then Republican Jack Ryan’s.

Polls showed Hull enjoyed a healthy lead over Obama as late as one month before the primary. But then The Chicago Tribune — Alexrod’s former employer — began publishing stories accusing Hull of violent behavior in his marriage and claiming that an ex-wife had sought a protective order during their divorce. Finally, Hull and his ex-wife agreed to have the records unsealed; and another ex-wife, their children and a number of Hull’s acquaintances denied Hull was violent. But Hull’s poll numbers began to tank and Obama won the primary.

In the general election Obama faced Jack Ryan, husband of actress Jeri Ryan. During a child custody dispute some years prior to the election, Jeri Ryan had claimed that Jack Ryan made her accompany him to swingers clubs in New York and Paris. Axelrod obtained “leaked” copies of the couple’s Chicago divorce records and then The Tribune sent lawyers to California to request the sealed child custody case records be unsealed. Over the objections of both Ryans, the judge released the records. Shortly thereafter, Jack Ryan withdrew from the race.

During the 2008 Democrat Presidential primary, Obama operatives intimidated Hillary Clinton supporters and engaged in improper and possibly illegal activities to win the nomination, according to a former Clinton campaign worker. Michelle Thomas told WND that she received death threats and was called a racist for opposing Obama. She also accused the Obama campaign of stealing caucuses by throwing away votes and intimidating people trying to enter the caucus locations.

Thomas also believes the Obama campaign is behind the death of Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, who was shot in his office days before the Democratic National Convention by Timothy D. Johnson, who was then killed by police after a car chase. The day before he was shot, Gwatney and Thomas had agreed that Gwatney would find a superdelegate from the Arkansas delegation to introduce a petition to have Clinton’s name placed in nomination for President.

Another Clinton supporter Thomas met with about introducing the petition, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, died mysteriously the next week.

“We found it quite a coincidence that Bill Gwatney was killed the day after we talked with him,” Thomas told WND. “And just a few days later that Tubbs Jones died suddenly of an aneurysm, after she had agreed to introduce our petition.”

Hollywood film producer Bettina Viviano told WND that she heard Bill Clinton say on a conference call during the 2008 primary that he believed Obama was ineligible to be President, and that he was prepared to go public with the information until Gwatney was murdered.

According to Viviano, a campaign staffer who was close to Hillary Clinton said Bill Clinton received a message after Gwatney’s death: “Shut up, Bill, or you’re next.” But Clinton, who was a friend of Gwatney’s, intended to speak out anyway until he received another message: “OK, it’s your daughter, now, we’ll go after.”

After receiving the threats directed toward Chelsea Clinton, Bill Clinton never said anything else about it, Viviano told WND.

The Obama Administration used thuggery to defeat a Texas bill that would have kicked the Transportation Security Administration out of the State’s airports,  ignored a judge’s order over offshore oil drilling permits and used intimidation to call the media off the story regarding Obama’s forged birth certificate and Selective Service registration form.

The Obama Justice Department is also reportedly set to sue Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz. Arpaio is investigating whether Obama’s birth certificate and Selective Service registration are forgeries and is also trying to find other missing Obama documents that would prove whether Obama is a U.S. citizen.

Obama’s comments on the Trayvon Martin shooting were designed to inflame an already volatile incident that already had race hucksters stoking a racial fire. His comments had the intended effect. Since then, there have been several incidents reported of blacks attacking whites in the name of Martin.

Now, with his freedom- and America-destroying Marxist agenda getting pushback from an awakening American populace, Obama is at it again. He’s taking on the Supreme Court.

During a press conference last week at the White House, Obama said:

We are confident that this will be over – that this will be upheld. I’m confident this will be upheld because it should be upheld. Again, that’s not just my opinion. That’s the opinion of a whole lot of constitutional law professors, academics and judges… Ultimately, I’m confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress. I guess I would remind conservative commentators that for years what we’ve heard is the biggest problem on the bench is judicial activism or a lack of judicial restraint. For an unelected group of people to somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law is a good example of that, and I’m pretty sure this court will recognize that and not take that step… With respect to health care, I actually continue to be confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the law. The reason is, in accordance to precedent out there, it’s constitutional.

Obama is channeling his inner FDR. As President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt sought — with some success — to intimidate the Supreme Court after it began striking down sections of the New Deal by threatening to pack the court with more justices who would be favorable to New Deal legislation.

New Deal proponents accused the court of being obstructionist and political. That’s essentially Obama’s argument. He may also be laying the groundwork to ignore the court’s order. It wouldn’t be first time the Obama Administration had ignored a court’s order, and it wouldn’t be the first time a President had done so.

In 1861, President Abraham Lincoln ignored an opinion by Chief Justice Roger Taney that Lincoln had no lawful power to suspend habeas corpus. So if Obama does ignore the Supreme Court, he’ll be channeling his inner Lincoln.

But even more troubling is that in saying that the Supreme Court’s striking down of Obamacare would be unprecedented, Obama is just lying. It’s a wonder his pants aren’t on fire.

As a so-called “Constitutional scholar,” Obama has to know that the court has overturned laws passed by “a democratically elected Congress” 165 times (click here and see page 201). And it doesn’t matter whether the law was passed “by a strong majority” (although only in Obama’s mind is 219-212 partisan vote a strong majority), that doesn’t exempt it from judicial review.

“That the Supreme Court would declare as unconstitutional congressional ‘laws’ which illegally violated the Constitution was one of the benefits of the Constitution, which the Constitution’s advocates used to help convince the People to ratify the Constitution,” writes David Kopel in The Volokh Conspiracy. “In Federalist 78, Alexander Hamilton explained why unconstitutional actions of Congress are not real laws, and why the judiciary has a duty to say so… Because Hamilton was the foremost ‘big government’ advocate of his time, it is especially notable that he was a leading advocate for judicial review of whether any part of the federal government had exceeded its delegated powers.”

Obama’s actions make clear the reasons the Founding Fathers inserted the phrase “natural-born citizen” into the Constitutional requirements for President. They wanted a President who was loyal to “these United States” and the Constitution.

But Obama sees the Constitution and the rule of law as impediments to his Marxist, America-destroying agenda. He rose to the office like a Mafioso don. His political career was born in the home of convicted terrorist Bill Ayers (Obama’s mentor who also wrote Obama’s “biography” and says he wakes up every morning thinking he’s going to end capitalism and goes to bed every evening disappointed that he didn’t). Obama was fed from the pulpit of the racist preacher Jeremiah Wright. And rose to prominence with the help of a complicit — even sycophantic — mainstream media, with which he now enjoys a carrot-and-stick relationship.

If he came to power like a don, it should come as no surprise he is governing (or ruling, according to Valerie Jarrett) like one as well.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Sirian

    Bob,
    I have but one word to describe my reaction to this article – OUTSTANDING!! People, please take the time to watch this video, it will perhaps open your eyes more to whom we think is our President.
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/new-sheriff-calls-for-roundup-of-obama-records/

    • FreedomFighter

      Yes it was an OUTSTANDING READ, truth always is.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        What more can I say Bob, kudos!!! So the Clintons were actually intimidated by da O?!! It’s a wonder he hasn’t had the presidential motorcade equiped with some 22′s yet! WND’s senior staff writer Dr. Jerome Corsi wrote an excellent book about O’s rise to hip-hop rock star status entitled “The Obama Nation”, an excellent bio of O’s life, cradle to being elected POTUS. His years as a community organizer in Chi-town are well documented and I believe could still prove fatal to his re-election if some knowedgable (And super brave!!!) investigative reporter was to do some SERIOUS digging! If more people would’ve read this book prior to the election, and it did come out just prior to, O might not have won! I think it raises some pretty serious ethicical questions about the man, the people, and agenda behind him! It also well documents the back and forth between O’s and Hill’s primary race leading up to O’s nomination by the DNC! EXCELLENT READ!!! As was your article Bob!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6afMI3EJL4

        LOL!!!

      • Michael J.

        And for those that are holding out the hope that there vote will make a difference, there’s this:
        http://www.youtube.com/user/mhfm1

        Thus explains the cock-sure bragging to Medvedev, and the boasts of having five more years which were both portrayed as gaffes, a slip of the tongue, or oops, is that a live mic? Were instead premeditated assurances to his supporters of another term. Once successful, expect your precious metals to become contraband after an executive order deems them such. Natural Gas will become extinct, gasoline prices will take on European stratospheric altitudes because his utopia dictates a neccesary skyrocketing effect in order to justify his 70 mile per hour golf cart pet projects.

        “Well it’s one, two, three, what’re we fightin-for…
        Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn…
        The next stop is the Fema Camp…”

      • Kate8

        Michael J. – I saw that video, as well. Turns out that voter fraud and ballot tampering is practically a foregone conclusion in America. Well, everywhere…

        We only thought we were different.

        That is why I say that citizens need to DEMAND that they stand watch at every phase of the process, from nominations through to the end of the count.

        Americans have been naive and trusting. Well, no more…

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Which we should’ve been doin’ all along Kate8! Is there a reason that we don’t or a point in time in which we stopped?!!

      • just me

        Guys, I just came from WND, where I found a blurb by Savage talking about a company called SCYTL. Check them out. They’re a vote counting outfit, apparantley owned by someone who was a major donator to the o campaign in 08. Guess they’re now owned by Spaniards, with not one American on the board.

      • Kate8

        justme – Figures. Foreign donations are supposed to be illegal, but O recieved hundreds of millions in foreign campaign contributions in ’08. Of course, he refused to disclose the origin of the donations…it had to be searched out. The opaque administration.

        So, he gets money from wherever he wants. This is certainly the most lawless administration to date, and their have been some bad ones.

        More proof of how our nation has fallen to foreign powers.

        • Carl Manning

          That’s what you get when you have a tyrannical Congress and vassal State governments: endless tyranny. Electing another batch of GOP whores to Congress will change absolutely nothing. Until we completely divorce ourselves from the GOP and the Dems by coalescing around a Constitutionalist Third Party or Independent candidate like Ron Paul, we will continue to be slaves of the District of Criminals. The GOP has allowed all of this tyranny because they are complicit by doing nothing and refusing to honor their sacred oath to uphold the Constitution; this is absolutely inexcuseable TREASON. The GOP has allowed itself to become the Communists’ useful idiots. During Obamas’ second term, they will all be executed along with much of the SCOTUS, and they’re just arrogant enough not to know it. They will all get exactly what they deserve for High Treason, and Obama, Hillary, and Bill – all KGB spies – will be laughing their “bleeps” off with Putin and Medvedev at how the US government were a bunch of blithering idiots – how they made it too easy for them to have a bloodless Communist KGB coup without even a shot.

      • CitySurvivor

        Also as a side comment of Bob L’s “Don” comment, we are obligated to remember what happens to these types of thuggish, exploitive people: Usually, a BIGGER DON arranges for them to get a “headache”. Then the turds are gone forever, sleeping with the eggplants.

    • Warrior

      This whole regime from chicago are sleazy, disgusting and vile people. Take your pick, little barry, axelrod, jarrett, rush, blago, madigan, quinn, rahm, durbin. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. No other way to say it. The whole stinking place (IL) is broke financially and morally. I know, I live here and am sick and tired of being forced to pay for their corruptness.

      • wandamurline

        I can almost assure you that the false accusations against Herman Cain can be traced back to David Axelrod….who is a complete corrupt a z z . The first blonde who came forward knew David Axelrod….as a matter of fact, she lived in his apartment building. Maybe, the last one that had a long consensual affair may have been true….but the women who did not come forward and the blonde who did …. their accusations were never proven. Here was a b l a c k man who was up in the polls as a candidate against another b l a c k man who is POTUS….this just could not be allowed to happen….it would split the votes, so Cain was set up for his downfall. If I were Cain, I would be investigating these women and filing law suits against them for defamation of character and trace the money trail back to Axelrod and then go after him. This administration is the most corrupt bunch I have ever seen and I have seen 11 presidents in my life time.

      • Jibbs

        I know what you mean about living there, (we lived in DuPage county next to Crook county) I’m so glad we moved out of state. Illinois is nothing but a cesspoll sewer of a state.

      • Ornley_

        I agree Warrior but do you really know the entire score here? It all started pre-Obama. Obama simply threw others tho placed them under the bus and ran over them. One, however, now panders to him.

        Look, if you will, into Hillary Clinton. Where and for whom she worked before her marriage to Bill. Look into what was going on in Arkansas at the time and why she was sent to Arkansas where she allegedly met and started her family life with Bill.

        There is a common denominator here that few people look at close enough to really connect the dots. Most of America either doesn’t care or is just to involved with their own personal problems to really know what is going on right under their noses. I hope it’s the latter as that leaves hope that they will wake up and make the necessary changes to get things back on track. But I have to be honest that I am starting to believe that most simply do not care. Buy the time they do start caring it will most likely be too late.

      • Michael J.

        Ornley,
        You are correct in that the Clinton’s have a walk-in closet full of skeletons the size of Walmart. It’s these skeletal remains in addition to the death threats that have conVINCEd the Clinton’s not to FOSTER any plans to drop a dime on Barry.

      • Kate8

        Michael J. – Yep. The Clinton’s own thuggery (and body-count) has come back to bite them in the b*tt. Death threats against a killer.

        Boy, kharma’s a real bummer. In fact, it’s an O-bummer. :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        So you sayin’ that Herman “Da Playa” Cain was falsely accused wandamurline?!! LOL!!! He was an idiot and I’m surprized Gloria ain’t threw him out in the streets yet! Watch, cause it’s comin’!!!

      • Marten The Canadian Libertarian

        Take a look at this one…http://etherzone.com/body.html

      • Kate8

        Marten – Wow! What a find. Thanks!

        I knew the body count was high, but I had no idea it was this high!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Marten, WOW!

    • Robert Smith

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ryan: “Both Jeri and Jack agreed to make their divorce, but not custody, records public, saying their release could be harmful to their son.[29]”

      SHE wanted the divorce because Jack was taking her to sex clubs. Details are in the Wikipedia article.

      The release had nothinig to do with Obama. The focus was on the hot star of Jeri as Seven of Nine in Star Trek.

      Rob

      • Sirian

        As usual, OK RS, try reading this one. I know it will mean nothing to you but it is still worth the few minutes it will take.
        http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/why-obamas-political-mentor-deserted-him/

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Robert Smith,

        Manipulation, thy name is Robert Smith. I suggest you reread the article. I did not write that the Ryans objected to the divorce records being released.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Misinformation only works on ignorant people, like you Robert.

      • eddie47d

        Elections must be getting closer and here we are overindulged with a New Low of conspiracy theories. You all need to take your blinders off and stop pretending that the Republicans don’t indulge in under handed political tactics . James O’Keefe is one of your experts in underground activities and his misinformation is plentiful. Then again he never did outdo the Swift Boaters for “truth”. Now that was an oxymoron. Maybe we’ll hear about the “other side” sometime soon. Hmmm!

      • Kate8

        Big deal, anyway, RS. Maybe they went to sex clubs. Yes, despicable. But Obama frequented gay bath houses, and continues to do so. And oh, so much more.

        Kind of pot calling kettle black, so to speak. Yet, he forced those folks into unsealing their records… something he, himself, has steadfastly refused to do. I can see why, too, because he’s a fraud, a fake, a commy, and a thoroughly disgusting human (?) being, and totally unqualified for POTUS even aside from his BC. He’s a criminal, a psychopath and a sociopath, bent on inflicting maximum pain on the American people with everything he does.

        Well, it’s Monday, the beginning of the paid bloggers’ workweek. Do you sit at a government job, RS, getting paid by the taxpayers to harrass conservative sites instead of doing legitimate work?

        We know where you come from and why you are here. Don’t bother trying to deny it. We know you are also a consummate liar.

      • Robert Smith

        Bob says: “I did not write that the Ryans objected to the divorce records being released.”

        But you did state that Obama’s side was responsible. In fact it was the Holywood publicity machiens that related more to Jeri’s acting career than Obama’s election.

        Rob

      • Kate8

        RS – BS.

      • Meteorlady

        Correct me if I’m wrong here but can’t anyone contribute to Wikipedia? That is not a source I would regularly reference. That aside – why is Obama hiding the records of why he and his wife gave up their law licenses? What happened there? Why not post his grades? Where’s the “real” birth certificate instead of some Photoshopped version? Why did they attack Herman Cain and where was the real proof? I believe Cain was really really scary for Obama and that he knew he would not stand a chance if had to run against Cain.

        • http://lenmilleresq.wordpress.com lenmilleresq

          Your name is apt. Let me know when you land on Earth.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie blindly chimes in with “here we are overindulged with a New Low of conspiracy theories. You all need to take your blinders off and stop pretending that the Republicans don’t indulge in under handed political tactics . James O’Keefe is one of your experts in underground activities and his misinformation is plentiful.”
        _____________________________________________

        Is this just another of your “cheap shots” directed at Mr. Livingston and PLD?

        Of course we all know that eddie cannot provide anything that would support his false assertions. As for O’Keefe, I’m guessing it hurts when one of your own(ACORN)is exposed for hat they are and what hey do.

      • Kate8

        Meteorlady – I believe Obama lost his law license because he has used aliases, and lied about it.

        Michelle lost hers for some other unethical behavior…don’t recall what. I’m sure you could search it out. It’s out there.

      • Bluebluesdancer

        Correct me if I’m wrong here but can’t anyone contribute to Wikipedia? That is not a source I would regularly reference.
        *That works both ways: It can be changed to the good as well as the bad, so it is usually a good source because lies don’t last there for very long*

        That aside – why is Obama hiding the records of why he and his wife gave up their law licenses? What happened there?
        *http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

        Why not post his grades?
        *Unknown. Maybe he feels that it is irrelevant, as I do*

        Where’s the “real” birth certificate instead of some Photoshopped version?
        *I want to see yours. Send me the real original hard-copy so that I can personally be assured that it is real. An o-line version cannot be considered real (by you). Some people are so suckered into the media-crap that they ACTUALLY believe that democrats would ‘back’ a President who did not qualify! How stupid is THAT! LOL! I’m sure you cannot be one of them.*

        Why did they attack Herman Cain and where was the real proof? I believe Cain was really really scary for Obama and that he knew he would not stand a chance if had to run against Cain.
        *Several reasons:
        1) He was obviously a puppet backed by the Koch Bros
        2) He was too stupid.
        3) He was the Republican ‘token black’ that they thought could compete against Obama just because he is black, just as Sarah Palin was McCain’s ‘token woman’ who they thought could compete against a real woman like Hillary Clinton. I’m happy to report that MOST Republicans were able to see through the transparently insulting and disparaging concept, and that is the main reason why.
        4) http://www.mediaite.com/tv/herman-cain-explains-why-he-dropped-out-of-the-race-on-snl/ *

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:

        You all need to take your blinders off and stop pretending that the Republicans don’t indulge in under handed political tactics.

        Hmmmm… Evidence that eddie writes but does not read much. But then again are any of us surprized?

        Hey eddie. does the name Ron Paul ring any bells? WE all commented at great length about how the Republicans have used underhanded politics to suppress Dr Paul’s message.

        And of course the liberal media is oh so happy to help since getting obama or Miniobama (Romney) will be just alright by them.

      • George E

        Bluebluesdancer,

        It offends me that you think a black person who is a Republican isn’t really black, or that a woman who is a Republican isn’t a “real” woman. I’ll bet they are offended even more.

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.a.deal David A Deal

        Finally a voice of reason and fairness. Robert thy name is integrity! Never have I seen a more slanted, one-sided, paranoid, slanderous pice of crap than this story!

    • Flashy

      Nice piece of fictional conspiracy.

      A nice basis for a John Grisham or maybe a Clancy novel. If the same time and effort was put towards Reagan and Bush (both), you’d have similar theories and could spin the novel from the 1980 elections onward. Or….one could spend the same time and effort and detail the conspiracy against Pres. Obama and on behalf of a small wealthy group of billionaires.

      • FreedomFighter

        Or you could spend your time at the range firing large caliber weapons at multiple targets untill you can hit them without breaking a sweat.

        very fun

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • ArkansasRebel

        I refuse to dignify your comments with a reply

      • Tom Cook

        What do you bet ole flashy is called that because of his fake gold front tooth. Stupid is a better name. obongo is the lowest form of scum who will be supported by all the other flashies with their pants down around their knees–ignorant savages who are not Americans at all and will support the African communist mus no matter what. Many of the others who were stupid at obongo’s first go around are waking up. Unfortunately the Republicans have nothing between their legs and the media is just a bunch of self-hating anti-American liberal numbnuts who will pander and suck up the the communist mus until the end.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Flashy, you are a perfect example of why some would support legalized abortion.

      • http://charter Joann Clemens

        People always keep there head in the sand untill it to late.

      • firefight

        ……and for some, they will never acknowledge the truth, nor will they understand the truth not will they seek the truth………….for, all that they are, they are a part of the lie.

      • Jibbs

        Those that help to spread the lie’s and misleading information, are always the first to go.

      • Windrinker

        Radicals can’t deal with “Facts!” They like to be “emotional” that way they don’t have to hurt their heads with the “truth!” It is too painful for them!

        Are you really called flashy because you have gold front teeth, and wear your pants around your knees? Maybe you wear your “ball cap” backwards and have multiple, long gold (colored) chains around your neck. That would enhance your image a little more. Go for it.

      • Vigilant

        Josef Flashy Goebbels says, “one could spend the same time and effort and detail the conspiracy against Pres. Obama and on behalf of a small wealthy group of billionaires.”

        Uh, who’s got the biggest campaign war chest, and where does it come from?

        http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        It never runs dry Vig, that’s a big win when you have control of the Treasury’s printing presses!!!

      • Kate8

        Doesn’t it ever bother anyone that all trolls like Robert Smith and Flashy only have to post a one line bit of blather and get two feet of thread responses? I’m so sick of them controlling the entire direction of the conversation…EVERY DAY.

        They are just being paid (with OUR money) to be provocative, and to give the illusion that there are actually large numbers of people who think like them. The truth is, they are a few small-minded sellouts to their country who have no interest in truth or anything decent, and are willing to do anything for thirty pieces of silver.

        Let’s start looking toward some real solutions instead of continually giving these jerks exactly what they are here for: to keep us distracted by hurling punches at our intelligence. If some find that offensive, well…I find it extremely offensive that anyone can defend the indefensible.

      • Robert Smith

        Kate 8 says: “I’m so sick of them controlling the entire direction of the conversation…”

        Truth will do that.

        BTW, can you prove Obama goes to a gay bathouse?

        Can you prove that the newspapers that announced his birth started a conspiracy at his borth to make him POTUS?

        Oh, and can you prove that I’m hired to be here? I can tell you that I’m not (as I’ve told others before) and that because I’ve posted it before you are now outright lying.

        If you want someone who is “paid” to be here it is Mr. Livingston himself who seems to be making an nice piece of change stirring the pot.

        Rob

      • RichE

        Go Flashy! From now on I’m only reading your comments and the replies they summon. Everyone else is so boring!

      • securityman

        I think that flashy and “bubba” robert smith should get together, head to obama country, and go to work for the one that they so seem to admire.Or maybe, that is what they are doing here now? They seem to be the exact type of people that obummer wants around him. “IDIOTS”

      • Kate8

        RS – Can I prove these things? Well, there are many who have come forward with the membership lists to an exclusive Chicago bath house, and his name is on it. People have come forward, information has been unearthed right and left, posing great risk to those who do the work.

        Need a link? Do the research yourself, because I don’t have time to indulge your weak mind. I don’t care what you think.

        You choose to believe what your icon and his minions spout, despite all of the evidence to the contrary. That only proves that you have no credibility.

        Me thinks thou dost protest too much. I pose the same question to you: PROVE IT.

        I know you can’t.

      • Ted Crawford

        Flashy
        If you can assemble such a case about either of them please feel free to share that with us. Based on verifiable facts not rhetoric and innuendo!

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Kate – you have to admit it must mean the PL is making quite a threat somewhere that the left feels the need to pay people to post — if flash is the best they got, they are in trouble – smith – I think he’s just some sort of ego that needs to primp continuously…neither are taken seriously on this site.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Flushdouche! Quick, somebody grab the plunger!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Falsy, what conspiracy? Much of what Mr. Livingston mentioned in the article has been openly discussed with multiple references cited for several years now…the only conspirator is Obama and his lemmings. His Marxist radical ties are well documented. Community organizer ..trained in the Alinsky school of radicalism. Bill Ayers/Weather Underground? Jeremiah Wright? Frank Marshall Davis? ACORN? The Joyce Foundation and the Woods Fund?

        Here’s a nice little piece on Obama you may want to check out written for CBS NEWS by Stanley Kurtz.
        http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-4145761.html

        OOPS, forgot to include the puppetmasters pulling on the strings.

        Just curious, how’s your research coming along? Are you finding that this bunch at PLD is a tough nut to crack?

        Stick around though…you do make us look good! :)

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert Smith

        Evidence from the Rezko trial of Stuart Levine, an Obama associate, giving ongoing drug parties for his male friends.

        Actor Kal Penn, purportedly bisexual, being rumored as one of Obama’s boy toys.

        Reports of Obama and Rahm Emmanuel frequenting Man’s Country in Andersonville, a bath house.”

        “President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bath house in uptown Chicago, according to informed sources in Chicago’s gay community

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Libertytrain, a big AMEN for your comment!

      • speedle

        Let’s just cut to the chase here Flashy, and not fight over the anecdotes. Do you believe that the Chicago political machine that spawned Obama (as well as numerous other public officials, elected and appointed that are currently working on license plates) is just an example of good old traditional American politics, or do you recognize that it is the most corrupt political organization and culture in the U.S.?

      • Michael J.

        Flashman and the Mountain of Light,
        Kind of ironic that you accuse Bob’s work as being fiction, when your own namesake existed only in the mind of George McDonald.

        Those out there who are already aware of the paid bloggers who parrot progressive party politics propoganda for paychecks, should also realize that while they have been rumored to be here to disrupt conservative discussion, it is not their main focus. Their focus is instead to aggravate individuals in the hopes of extracting damning comments which will be used to enhance growing DHS portfolios on the unsuspecting commenters in a carefully orchestrated lie that conceals a lie. (You don’t think their paid just to annoy us?)

      • Kate8

        Michael J. – Yes, I am aware of that, as well. Thanks for saying it.

        I didn’t bother because I knew I’d just be accused of paranoia.

        What do you think is the reason for the hundreds of millions of rounds of mega-ammo purchased by DHS and the depts of wildlife and wildlands (whatever they’re called. It’s not coming to me right now)? Ammo that is illegal to use even by the military in war zones.

        Could they be planning to have even more powerful arms than our own military? Just in case they have any notions of defending the citizenry against the NWO?

        Bullets that penetrate the impenetrable? And are always deadly?
        (What kind of manufacturer would accept such a contract? Wow. People will sell anyone out for a buck.)

        How’s that for paranoia, eddie, RS and flush. Go ahead, give it your best shot. So to speak.

      • Bluebluesdancer

        @Kate8 Regarding your suggestion that Obama belongs to a Gay Bathhouse and is therefore Gay (although if he was it would be none of your business, and you should probably be grateful since Gay men tend to be very intelligent and creative): The only ‘evidence’ on-line are a series of articles claiming it to be true but with no evidence whatsoever, and bearing in mind that every single website is a Republican “anti-Obama and anti-American” propaganda website, I am surprised that you were so easily duped. But perhaps it is because you are a bigot? In which case it all becomes clear to me.

      • Michael J.

        Bluebluedancer,
        What a queer thought straight out of the blew, that Larry Sinclair is a liar, and that barry’s other significant brothers are dead liars.

    • Windrinker

      Great article! We do have a Mafioso Don running America. I think it is clear how this 2012 election will be fought (IF there is an election at all.)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        From what Bob said Windrinker, I’d be kinda nervous if I was Mitt right now!!! As a “Bible believing” Christian, I’m looking at a presidential race between two men (I think!), one who claims to be a Christian, but is probably a Muslim practicing “Taqiyya”, and a heretic! Just great!!! Even so, come Lord Jesus!!! That’s Whom I’m waitin’ for, I believe He’s gettin’ ready to step in and straighten this ENTIRE mess out! I prat that you’re ready, cause the way I read THE BOOK, it’s almost closin’ time!!! What’d ya say Dandy?!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6bXYp-R9Q

      • Robert Smith

        Tom says: ” I believe He’s gettin’ ready to step in and straighten this ENTIRE mess out!”

        Done that, been there. Your brutal god allegedly wiped everyone out except Noah and his family. BTW, there’s no physical evidence of such an event, only the literary one in that there christian bible.

        Kinda extreme if you ask me.

        Rob

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Proverbs 16:4 (KJV)
        “The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.”

        And just who am I to question His omnipotant wisdom Bob?!! I can call ya Bob can’t I Robert? Did you know that the Dr. Smith character on TV Land’s legendary 60′s pop-icon show “Lost in Space” was TV’s very first implied homosexual?! I believe the character’s first name was also Robert! Imagine that!!!
        I’d be a little nervous also Bob, the Bible say’s that hell is a place where the fire is NEVER quinched and the worm dieth NOT!!! Could you even imagine?!! Jesus loves ya Bob!!!

      • Kate8

        Tom W. – satan’s diciples have no concept of Who God Is. Only a small and foolish mind could make statements such as that.

        The Bible says that, to those who read Scriptures without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they read as “so much foolishness”.

        Nuff said.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        rob rob rob, poor guy, there was a flood, there are actually many links out there, but I found this one interesting – it may not have been the flood as described in Noah or the other stories, but the time period was most likely correct and devastated the world as they knew it 7,000 years ago.
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2000/sep/14/internationalnews.archaeology

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert, this ones just for you!

        Saul Akinsky’s Opening page – Dedication from Rules for Radical:

        “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        spell check – Alinsky

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Nuff said Kate8!!! We still gotta try and tell ‘em though, or we’re not doing as commanded!!!

        Mark 16:14-16 (KJV)
        “Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. ”

        2 Timothy 4:1-4 (KJV)
        “I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables”.

        They ain’t going to be able to say on THAT DAY that ole’ Tom didn’t try and tell ‘em!!! They are and will be WITHOUT EXCUSE!!!

        Romans 1:18-25 (KJV)
        “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”

        Nuff said, NOW!!!

      • Kate8

        Tom W. – True, but it is apparent that they’ve heard and refuse to listen. There comes a time when they have to take responsibility for themselves. Once they’ve heard, we are not responsible for their hardness of heart.

        God will not be mocked. They have to choose, just as we do.

      • Bluebluesdancer

        @Kate8
        True, but it is apparent that they’ve heard and refuse to listen. There comes a time when they have to take responsibility for themselves.
        *My point exactly Stammering-Kate! Stop relying on a fictitious creature to take responsibility for what is actually your DUTY to do! You religious nut-jobs are so weak! You cannot take the brain that you have and use it positively and effectively for the good of mankind! You are an embarassment to the Human Race, and if your god existed, you would be an embarrassment to him too with your puerile reliance on his ‘mercies’. Get up off your bloody knees and be responsible for your actions! Do something Good for the world and stop being so freakin’ selfish!*
        Good Grief, I can’t believe how this whole sick group just loves to wallow in it hypocrital, bigoted and disgusting slop that does nothing but aim to create a world of mean-spirited and horrible people. If you truly think of yourselves as Christians, How can you possibly justify your thoughts and actions!!!??? A-MAZING!

      • Joseph Murphy

        If you want to know more about who Obama really is, then read “The Mancurian President”

      • Kate8

        Blues – Wow. And you called ME a bigot?

        Just what do you call that rant against Christianity?

        I won’t even dignify that nastiness with reply. You wouldn’t understand, anyway.

        You libs are such hypocrites. I feel very sorry for you. You are obviously a miserable person.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Bbdancer says “My point exactly Stammering-Kate”.

        Bbdancer is just another Alinskyite…

        Rule 4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You
        can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own
        rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

        Rule 5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        You’d better pray to God you’re right Blubluesdancer!

        • Deerinwater

          what kind of twisted response is that?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Prayerfully one that will make Barack’s wannabe boyfriend think Deerinlacepanties!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      Hey Sirian, shall we get deputized?!! Somebody round up the horses! Are ya with us FF?!! How ’bout the rest of yas?!! LET’S ROLL!!!

      • Sirian

        Tom W.,
        With the way things are going there will probably be mass swearing in ceremonies – I’ll be there, my wife too!! HA, we own one horse and have access to about sixty – there’s plenty down here in Okie territory. . . ;) Once things finally collapse, if it continues on the same track that it’s on now, Oklahoma and Texas are not going to be liberals preferred areas of migrating to, follow my drift?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Here ya go Brother Okie, I’d never heard of this guy till a friend wife let me borrow his CD, he’s awesome!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0eoE9mi9iw

        He also does a cover of the FULL version of “Home on the Range” I know you’d love to hear Sirian! I tried to find it on Youtube, but it wasn’t there, but it’s ALL GOOD cause this one was!!! Keep your eyes on the skies, He loves y’all and so do I!!!

    • Mirage

      Hey Bob, I have just two words to describe your article … it sucks.
      Your article is just a multi-page hate rant filled with nothing but speculation.
      Pretty shoddy for a “journalist”. Whatever happened to the journalistic code of being somewhat objective?

      You throw around words like Marxist, Mafioso “Don” , and tell us that Obama is an illegal alien, and a guy who probably ordered the murder of some people!
      Bob, WTH?
      Are we supposed to believe that in 2008 candidate Obama threatened then President Bill Clinton, at the time the most powerful man on earth, and suggested that Bill’s daughter would be “next” if Clinton didn’t essentially stop rocking the boat??? You are asking us to BELIEVE that a junior senator THREATENED A SITTING PRESIDENT AND WON!??
      That is off the reservation crazy!
      News flash: “The Manchurin Candidate” was just a movie.

      Regarding the Supreme Court being bullied … correct me if I’m wrong, but when they voted 5 to 4 in favor of the “Citizen’s United” case, didn’t that open up the corporate flood gates that defined corporations as essentially “people”, and place NO limit on campaign contributions?
      Lastly, how about simply sticking to the facts and presenting a counter argument to this president that is grounded in reality, versus your little shop of horrors tool box replete with it’s anti-commi hyperbole?

      • Kate8

        Mirage – Don’t stay here on our account.

      • Kate8

        Mirage – Many, many of us are fed up with this imposter. And fed up with his enablers, like you, who just refuse to connect the dots.

        If you choose to remain in liberal la la land, well…enjoy your stay. The rest of us have work to do. And this administration is so over the top, out of control…

        Well, hey. All bets are off. We aren’t going to be intimidated by your liberal PC nonsense anymore. Get used to it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Mirage, what an appropriate post handle! Because that’s deffinately how ya see things!!! Better get the Vaseline off the lenses of your “Blind Boys of Alabama” Wayfarers there Miragie! What has this man achieved in his SHORT time as a senator from the arguably most corrupt state in the union done deserving of the priviledge to serve as our Commander and Chief ?!! NADA!!! And how dare this half-breed threaten America’s true first black president!!! It just goes to prove how powerful the forces are behind this “Manchrian Candidate”! He didn’t end up on the list of people who either disappeared or suffered an untimely death as of a result of crossing Bill and Hill’s path!!!
        I believe this Harvard law professor is getting ready to recieve a lesson in the power behind our Constitution for his out of touch comments as to the authority of our SCOTUS! Let us pray that he’s either impeached outright or taken down a notch or ten!!!

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Mirage,

        You write: “Hey Bob, I have just two words to describe your article … it sucks.” Thank you for a cogent rebuttal.

        You write: “Your article is just a multi-page hate rant filled with nothing but speculation.” There is no speculation here. I sourced all points.

        You write: “Pretty shoddy for a “journalist”. Whatever happened to the journalistic code of being somewhat objective?” I make no claim to being a journalist. I am a columnist and researcher and I write fact-based opinion.

        You write: “You throw around words like Marxist, Mafioso “Don” , and tell us that Obama is an illegal alien, and a guy who probably ordered the murder of some people!” That is correct.

        You write: “Are we supposed to believe that in 2008 candidate Obama threatened then President Bill Clinton, at the time the most powerful man on earth, and suggested that Bill’s daughter would be “next” if Clinton didn’t essentially stop rocking the boat??? You are asking us to BELIEVE that a junior senator THREATENED A SITTING PRESIDENT AND WON!??
        That is off the reservation crazy!” Bill Clinton was not president in 2008.

        You write: “Regarding the Supreme Court being bullied … correct me if I’m wrong, but when they voted 5 to 4 in favor of the “Citizen’s United” case, didn’t that open up the corporate flood gates that defined corporations as essentially “people”, and place NO limit on campaign contributions?” Non sequitur.

        You write: “Lastly, how about simply sticking to the facts and presenting a counter argument to this president that is grounded in reality, versus your little shop of horrors tool box replete with it’s anti-commi hyperbole?” I did here, and I do with every column I write.

        Finally, I find it fascinating that you have not proven any of my contentions false, nor even attempted to.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Kate8, a few of your most endearing traits are close to my heart…call it as you see it, tell it like it is and there ain’t an once of PC in ya!

        “Tell me and I’ll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I’ll understand.”

        Bob Livingston…thanks for this wonderfull and eye opening website!

      • Wyatt

        Mirage I hate to spoil your time line , but Bill Clinton was not the sitting president in 2008 . He was merely an Ex-president . And yes , Obama and his mob of Communist / Socialist thugs and gullible useful idiots would dare to threaten anyone they see as an impediment to their goals and agenda . They have but one mindset and that is to destroy America anyway possible in order to impose their will upon the world . That their glorious utopian society collapsed after a mere 70 years of tyranny over the Russian, Slavic and , Asian population they encompassed . It never sat well that America was the leader of the free world and still going at age 238 y

        There is questions of Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of president to be sure . Just as there are questions concerning his true religion , his sexual orientation and many other things . As for his eligibility , investigation has raised more questions than it has answered . It would seem that not only are the birth records released by the White House suspect and apparent forgeries , but his SS# or #s come under suspicion and his draft card is apparently a very poor quality forgery . These are questions I think reasonable American’s would want answered . Especially when Obama himself states in his book that his father was a Kenyan, and never was a citizen of the US nor had ever tried to become one. The Supreme Court ruling of 1875 as to what a natural citizen is , states that it is the natural offspring of two citizens , either natural or natualized .

        Then there is an AP article from 200s I believe or 2004 when Obama was seeking a Senate seat that refers to him as ” they Kenyan born Democrat “. How odd , if this was a mis-statement by the AP , why was it not caught and corrected or challanged then . If not by Obama or by the Democratic Party . Especially as the article refers to him as being considered to be ” a rising star in the Democratic Party.”

        The sheep will deny and in Obama fashion blame everybody and deny what they will but the fact remains , Nothing about this guy adds up . A Constitutional Lawyer who clearly does not understand the Constitution and hates its very existance . A document he took an oath to uphold and yet he attacks it at every chance and tramples on it at will .

        As for not accepting a black man as president , why is he a black man , why isn’t he a white man ? After all his mother was white ? And for that matter , why have we never had a Native American president ? Native American people are every bit as good and or intelligent as blacks or whites . Just because Andrew Jackson decided to steal lands for his friends and move southren tribes west to what is now Oklahoma . And later when westward expansion made land given to the Native American people became valuable it was stolen by Democrats trying to curry favor among the American People . They forced the Native American onto reservations , for their protection they said . Reservations on land that was of no value arid or wastelands . This was then the 19th century of course but the the tactics are not that much different than now . Con a trusting people . Take control anyway possible . It works as there is always people that believe the message they spout . But then they always fail to see the one who wants to take it a step further . The practice of defrauding the American people is an old one that Democrats like to engage in , “the New Deal , the Great Society , Hope and Change ” all fancy names to cover the intent . Socialism , Control . The only people who benefit are the Democrats in control . Look at Nancy Pelosi , she does what is basicly insider trading . She makes a lot of money yet for doing a lot less Martha Stewart getsto years in jail .

        Obama wants a dictatorship , failing that he will destroy America anyway possible . Democrats want a one party government , their party or as it should be called , thwe Communist party . they think that the American People are to dumb , to ignorant to govern themselves . The government must hold our hand and lead us along . Time to wake up America . The Thugs are taking control !

      • Mirage

        HEY BOB LIVINGSTON – HERE IS A REBUTTAL:
        I don’t have all day to spend here online, so I have a tendency to process what I’ve read here, and crank out a response.
        First to all, MY Huge Chronological Mistake where I refered to Clinton’s presidency in 2008, … my apologies. I remember the Clinton years of ’92 through 2000, but nevertheless, it was my mistake … I own it.

        Now, I still contend, the likely-hood of junior senator Obama threatning the ex-prez in 2008, and then the latter withdrawing in fear for his daughter, is laughable.
        Can I prove it? No, but neither can you, which brings us to something you wrote in your response to my post.
        In your 3rd paragraph, you write your research is “fact-based”. Yet in the last paragraph of your rebuttal, you write, my “contentions” … which is it, what you base today’s article on, facts, or contentions?
        If you have facts, Obama’s birth certificate for example (have you physically seen it?); perhaps you would be so kind as to post the photograph online here with you holding it, for all to see?
        Ditto your “marxist” claims regarding Obama … do you have physical evidence to support your claims? If so, what is the evidence? If not, perhaps your article is primarily “contention”, versus “facts”?
        All for now – gotta go.
        Best Wishes.

        • Carl Manning

          Here you go, Mirage. After you read this, you will realize your view of American politics has been, indeed, a MIRAGE. You will not find it to be your desert oasis. Don’t take it from me or Bob Livingston or anybody on this website, regardless of political persuasion; take it from a former Russian intelligence officer, turned CIA intelligence officer, turned American patriot, Mikhail Kryzhanovsky…

          http://www.pooler-georgia-homepage.com/mikhail-kryzhanovsky.html

      • Joseph Murphy

        The book about Obama is called “The Manchurian President”, not “The Manchurian Candidate”
        whoever you are, you do not read correctly

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.
    • http://TheTownhall.com TLC

      I watched the entire video. The lame stream media will never mention word one of this!

    • BillSharma

      Perhaps it will serve people in this environment will remember their icon of freedom Former and late president who with a single stroke his pen wiped out the family farm and broke the back of the working man and woman in this country by decertifying the PATCO. These yahoo have no memory and they call themselves patriots and conservatives, it will serve them well to read the history of the labour movement and health safety in workplace along with the affordability of the healthcare. These people have no idea of the blatent disregard of the megacompanies to simple remedies,like emergency doors were routinely locked or building schools on top of toxic chemical dumps or building whole subdivisions on landfills. People like Sirian need to read the industrial history of the American Industry and their rights they so freely enjoy were paid with the blood the labor and the liberal they so passionately hate. I have only one word for them SHAME.

      • George E

        Bill,

        Most of us don’t want or need labor unions in our work places. Further, we don’t want to fund the lavish pensions and salaries of those who are in unions with our tax money. I’m sure labor unions have done some good over time, but their time has largely past. Our companies have too much government regulations on their backs as it is to compete well in the global market. Workplace injuries are low and salaries are not too bad. Get out of the way and let the market work. We will do better over the long run.

  • s c

    Actually, Obummer is busy channeling FDR, Bismarck and Rousseau, Bob. Throw in a dash of dark influences ala Dante, and that just about sums up this nation-imploding administration.
    OK, utopians, tell us how Bob’s entire article is untrue and made-up and offensive. And, while you’re at it, tell us how
    many ways Obummer is making Amerika better and stronger and safer. Take a long hit off that bong, and tell us what we need to know. Here’s your chance.

    • Robert Smith

      “tell us how Bob’s entire article is untrue and made-up and offensive.”

      Already did nail the part where he claimed that the divorce paper release was manipulated by Obama.

      They both agreed as long as the custody information wasn’t released. .

      Rob

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Is ignorance bliss?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        It must be, because you continue to wallow in it.

      • http://personalliberty jlbs

        OK, Robert. Now tell us how 0 has made our lives so much better.

      • Opal the Gem

        “Already did nail the part where he claimed that the divorce paper release was manipulated by Obama.

        They both agreed as long as the custody information wasn’t released.”

        Just because they agreed doesn’t mean obama’s minions didn’t manipulate things and get them to agree to the release.

        You fail to address the forced release of the custody information that neither Ryan agreed to.

      • Kate8

        Opal – Of course Obama’s handlers were behind the scandal.

        He was a virtual unknown from out of nowhere, and had nothing to offer in the way of reasons to vote for him. The only way he could win was to be the only choice on the ballot, and he knew it. It was all a planned set-up, like his whole life, and everything that’s gone down since. Such as knocking Hillary off the ballot.

        Becoming Senator was just a way of establishing an inroad to the presidency. He was fast-tracked by a manufactured image and media hype. Nothing else. Only the addle-brained bought into it.

        Regardless of how the scandal came out, it was Obama’s camp that made it happen. Yet, his past is more dark than the worst of the worst, and it’s kept out of the media. And everyone who is anyone is afraid to speak of it.

        That pretty much says it all.

      • American Girl

        “tell us how Bob’s entire article is untrue and made-up and offensive.”

        Robert Smith says,

        “Already did nail the part where he claimed that the divorce paper release was manipulated by Obama.

        They both agreed as long as the custody information wasn’t released.”

        Can you read?

        “In the general election Obama faced Jack Ryan, husband of actress Jeri Ryan. During a child
        custody dispute some years prior to the election, Jeri Ryan had claimed that Jack Ryan made her accompany him to swingers clubs in New York and Paris. Axelrod obtained “leaked” copies of the couple’s Chicago divorce records and then The Tribune sent lawyers to California to request the sealed child custody case records be unsealed. Over the objections of both Ryans, the judge released the records. Shortly thereafter, Jack Ryan withdrew from the race.”

        Apparently, not.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Actually Kate8, Hillary was chuggin’ right along there in 2008 until Barack, whom she’d never taken seriously up till that point, won the North Carolina primary by double digits and was narrowly defeated in Indiana! She then got nervous and tried to play the race card!!! She was called out on it and it proved to be the mistake from which she never recovered!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Whenever those of us who clearly see the current President for what he is, and dare to speak out publicly about the dangers to American freedom and liberty Obama’s agenda presents, we are attacked as ignorant anti-Americans, or worse, terrorists. The attacks themselves are a key part of the way socialism works; silence those who would warn of the danger socialism presents. While Obama is currently campaigning for another chance to bring America to her knees, there are those on the socialist plantation preparing to flock to the polls and vote to draw the chains of socialism even tighter, around themselves, and all Americans. They are the people the fathers of Marxism and communism referred to as, “useful idiots.” Future historians will write of the ignorance of the American people in the early 21st century and wonder at their lack of reasoning. I sincerely doubt those future historians writing about us will be Americans, however. By that time, the “American iron curtain” will have fallen and we will be engulfed in the darkness of communism.

    • Robert Smith

      From Jay: “The attacks themselves are a key part of the way socialism works;”

      The tactic even has a name. It’s called “Swift Boating.”

      The right certainly are the experts.

      Rob

      • http://yahoo mytwocentswrth

        So, the guys on the Swift Boats who were THERE in Viet Nam with the great John Kerry, are not entitled to tell their story because it conflicts with Kerry’s self-serving version? Kerry is a fraud, as is Obama. Liberalism is a great lie, wrapped in deceit. It’s about time the people see these frauds for who they are.

      • eddie47d

        There was much untruth’s coming from those Swift Boaters for “truth” or didn’t you care because it suited your personal agenda?

      • Deerinwater

        Beautiful fiction this morning Mr. Livingston! Well Done! Don Barack Obama~ has a certain ring to it! funny? I like it!

        As far as swift boating “Lee Water” and “The Boggieman” is required reading for anyone that seeks an understanding of this tactical political strategy and how it had helped shape and formed politics today. Give them the old Willie Horton 22 sku doo Friday mid morning, right at the approaching end of the weekly “news cycle” and then let us all leave town before the reporter swarm the office.

        I see no heavier hand working behind the scenes, working as “enforcers”, shaping politics today then “W’s” administration employed them, but much less in fact. “W” was much more blatant and in your face with any descent that failed to support his administrations policies.

        But, be that as it may, this thumb twisting has anyways been fair play on the HILL. So why would it not be today?

        I wouldn’t count your eggs too soon, in thinking the Courts will hand the GOP some illusion of a Victory but in fact the GOP stands to “lose” whatever the final out come.

        Just like tax breaks for the wealthy, offering people something and then try to take it away will be meet with stiff resistance and resentment. It’s much like trying to catch a bullet and put it back in the barrel, yet it is possible to do.

        To make right, HCR will have to be replaced with something else. Who might accept the political baggage to do such a thing? HCR and Immigration reform only become “issues” for the GOP when they are out of power and not in control of the Oval office. The reason for that is because they enjoy things as they are.

        Heath care Insurance? They are or have been entitled employees and well covered while the rest of American’s helping to subsidies their health care policy.

        Immigration? A cheap, non voting labor force is a perfect setup for the GOP. They approve of this and it shows as they turn a blind eye to it when they are in the position to address it.

        The Coyote’s loved “W’s” nice fence, as it greatly increased the value of his services! I feel certain he’s on their Christmas card list, offering “Season Greetings” and great prospects in the coming new year.

      • Vigilant

        From Deerinheadlights:

        “Immigration? A cheap, non voting labor force is a perfect setup for the GOP. They approve of this and it shows as they turn a blind eye to it when they are in the position to address it.”

        Revise to “A cheap, VOTING labor force is a perfect setup for the Jackasses. They approve of this and it shows as they turn a blind eye to it when they are in the position to address it.”

      • DaveH

        Deer says — “I wouldn’t count your eggs too soon, in thinking the Courts will hand the GOP some illusion of a Victory but in fact the GOP stands to “lose” whatever the final out come”.
        It won’t be a victory for the GOP when Obama Care is ruled Unconstitutional — It will be a victory for the People, who don’t want the Federal Government reaching in their pockets and telling them how their money should be spent.

        Deer says — “Just like tax breaks for the wealthy, offering people something and then try to take it away will be meet with stiff resistance and resentment”.
        Stealing less money from the Rich is NOT a tax break. It could rightly be called a Theft Break though.

        Deer says — “To make right, HCR will have to be replaced with something else”.
        Is that right? First Big Government Progressives meddle with the Health Care industry. Then when things inevitably go wrong, as they usually do with Big Government Intervention, the Progressives offer themselves as the solution to the problems they created in the first place.
        Some real solutions:
        http://mises.org/daily/3643

        • Deerinwater

          I’m just giving you an opening play scenario, ~ You can hang to your Libertarian beliefs if you want too, but you will be the odd man out my friend.

          You are attempting to affect a lot of peoples lives with your libertarian ideas and you will met heavy resistance to these “ideas”.

          I don’t really care personally, but I sure care nationally.

          I’m all but dead man already, what have I to gain, 5 minutes, 5 weeks, months, 5 years? I can’t buy good health. I can’t expect to enjoy a quality of good health in my 70′s and 80′s. We get old , we die, we wear out, That’s the way it works and each of us has to face it personally at some point, I have not desire to see a 80 years old man with a new heart or even help pay for one.

          Make no mistake , this issue is much greater then just you or I.

          Personally, I believe, employer/employee based health care is an absurd notion to start with. it makes little sense accept to “markets” and middle men.

      • Flashy

        “To make right, HCR will have to be replaced with something else.”

        And then the Right will get what they’ve asked for. The Public Option. It should have been in place instead of the mandate. But the Right can’t let it sit because they’d have nothing to whine about and create conspiracy theories with.

        IF HCR is declared as an overexercise of Congressional Commerce Powers, what has been in place cannot, in reality, be reversed. Thus we’ll have a huge mess as what was (no health care except by fiat by private insurance companies) will be impossible to return to.

        Thus, if the SCOTUS does declare the Mandate to be overreach by Congress…the remaining option will be…a Public Option. Truly the Right is going to get what they asked for …

      • Robert Smith

        Deerinwater posted: ” “W” was much more blatant and in your face with any descent that failed to support his administrations policies. ”

        Yup. A fine example is The Plame Affair. Scooter Libby got sentenced and Bush let him off the hook for that one. CONVICTED, yet he didn’t go to jail.

        Sadly the Bush administration is clearly responsible for folks connected to the CIA being killed when Plame was outed as a CIA operative.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Dave H says: “Then when things inevitably go wrong, as they usually do with Big Government Intervention,…”

        Really?

        Many rules came off the financial markets and we darn near had a total crash. It wasn’t until Bush and then Obama bailed them out that things began to get better.

        And you want to trust your medical care to a fat cat executive who farms out phone answering to India so they can tell you that you won’t get treatment?

        Government doesn’t need to MAKE money on health care. Fat cats do, and they do it by denying treatment.

        They weren’t held accountable until Obama came along.

        Rob

      • Vigilant

        “Sadly the Bush administration is clearly responsible for folks connected to the CIA being killed when Plame was outed as a CIA operative.”

        Care to back that up with facts? You can’t.

        Moreover, it was Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State, NOT Libby, who leaked the information. Armitage was not at all sympathetic with the Bush Administration.

      • Meteorlady

        “Many rules came off the financial markets and we darn near had a total crash. It wasn’t until Bush and then Obama bailed them out that things began to get better.”

        Excuse me but Clinton was responsible for signing to repeal Glass-Steagall and didn’t Barney and Chris re-write the banking laws? If Clinton would not have signed Fair Housing and numerous one-sided trade agreements, we would not be where we are today. The housing collapse was directly caused by Clinton policies.

        He even appointed a couple of real looser crooks to head Fannie and Freddie. Didn’t Franklin Delano Raines walk away in total disgrace with about $100 MILLION in unearned bonuses?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        What’s the best description for our dear friend Deer? I kinda like “Blathering Idiot”, I think he wear it well! Listening to you reminds me of the “MASH” character Winchester! GAG!!! My God! Where did all these cockroaches come from?!! Somebody get the Raid quick!!! See what ya did Bob! It’s like what Jack Nicholson said to Tom Cruise in “A Few Good Men”,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo!!!
        You are sooo right MeteorLady, what we’re experiancing here has been coming on for a looong time! Dare I quote Jerimiah Wright, “America’s chickens are comin’ home to roost!!!”

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Tom W. :) I much prefer Jabberwocky…often seemingly unintelligible, playful and whimsical.

      • DaveH

        I sure do tire of the old Liberal myth of Financial Deregulation.
        The Financial industry is regulated every bit as much as before. They are just Different regulations.
        Read this, Robert, and learn something:
        http://www.cato.org/research/articles/cpr28n4-1.html

        Glass Steagall was passed in 1933 by Crony Politicians of the Rockefellers to hobble the Morgan Banking Empire. It’s something Politicians do for their Crony Capitalists while they spoon-feed the ignorant Liberal followers with smooth talk.
        Glass Steagall had 3 main provisions (from History of Money and Banking in the United States):
        “(1) the compulsory separation of commercial and investment banking.
        (2) the provision of federal “insurance” to guarantee all bank
        deposits. And
        (3) prohibiting commercial banks from paying interest on their demand deposits.
        The compulsory separation clauses (a) severely restricted commercial banks from buying securities—except, cleverly, that government securities were exempt from this restriction; (b) prohibited commercial banks from issuing, underwriting, selling, or distributing any securities (again, government securities were exempt); and (c) prohibited any investment bank, that is, a bank that does underwrite corporate securities, from ever accepting any deposits”.

        Guess what the Morgans did? Yep, they owned banks that did commercial and investment banking.
        Get it, Robert? As usual Politicians were feathering their own nests and those of their Crony Capitalists at the rest of our expense.

      • Bluebluesdancer

        Hi Robert! :-)
        The thing that so many people on here seem to be unaware-of, is that as we turn more-and-more to the Chicago-style political system of Privatizing or ‘out-sourcing’, we are creating a middle-man.
        When the government runs something, it is a not-for-profit venture. Admittedly there needs to be oversight to make sure it doesn’t become corrupt, but that would be true of any system.
        When it is a ‘For-Profit’ system it is designed to …wait-for-it… Make a profit!!! This means that even if INITIALLY it appears to be less expensive than the government-run and inefficient system we currently use, you can bet your bottom dollar that within a short time it will be more expensive.
        Prisons are something that are an incredible infringement on our rights and will also become a huge expense own-the-road. But that is yet another topic!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Tne truth can be damning, can’t it Robert?!

      • George E

        Bluebluesdancer,

        I’ll bet you’ve heard this, and don’t choose to believe it, but I’ll try anyway. Profit is what motivates business people to work for your business. When there’s real competition among suppliers, they will find ways of offering you a better product/service at a lower price because that’s what it takes to get your business. What do you think motivates government to reduce costs and offer you a better service? Actually, nothing. That’s why they don’t reduce costs or improve their service. It just gets more and more expensive, and now with government workers unionized, the costs really go up!

      • Deerinwater

        ” Profit is what motivates business people to work for your business.”

        Yea, they will work, or steal and commit fraud for profit as well. So your point is?

        Needless to say, people are motivated by “gains”

        • George E

          My point is that businesses operating in a competitive market are motivated by profits to give their customers a good product/service at a low price (ie, high value). Government has no such motivation, so they don’t strive to improve the quality or value of their services. This is basically why quality often suffers, but costs almost always go up for government provided services. This is the reason we need to privatize as many government services as we can when these services can be provided by good companies in a competitive market. Of course, privatizing government services in a crony capitalist market is often worse than government supplied services because corruption can be worse than inefficiency.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            George E, your point is well put. Governments have no place except to provide a very narrow range of services like national defense and other things such as those that were provided in our original Constitution. When the government goes into business it often turns into a monopoly where the quality of the services and products deteriorate to the point of becoming almost worthless. Government employees are no better than the masses of peasants who worked for the communist governments Russia, China and others as they had no incentive to do a good job. That’s not to say that some government employees don’t do good work as there are some but most sadly are deficient in the quality and quantity of the work they produce.

          • George E

            Katrael,

            I don’t think government workers are really any different than anyone else. However, the system they work in doesn’t incentivize them to do their best work, so over time, they just don’t. Not all that different than teachers in our public schools. Most of these people are good folks who would like to do a good job and make a difference, but the system just doesn’t allow it.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            George E, I’m not so sure that most of them really want to work hard as government jobs
            tend to attract certain types of people with certain mentalities just the same way political positions do. I’m not saying every one of them is lazy I’m just saying that the majority of them don’t work hard and I’m not saying that they are any worse morally than any other segment of the population.

            I do agree that the system doesn’t promote the best efforts of the poeple who work within it and that’s why I likened it to a communist system. You’re right there is no real incentive for them to work hard.

            The only other point I will make is this: all government positions require the wealth of others to exist.

          • George E

            Katrael,

            You’re probably right about government jobs attracting people with less ambition than other types of jobs. You’re also correct that we have to pay their salary and benefits. Thanks.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

      Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’: “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.”

      Hillary Clinton’s 1969 Political Science Thesis (“There is Only the Fight”) refers to an earlier version of Alinsky’s training manual. “In 1946,” she wrote, “Alinsky’s first book, Reveille for Radicals, was published.”
      http://nukegingrich.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/hillaryclintonthesis.pdf

      Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties…. Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.

      “Obama is also an Alinskyite…. Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project…. Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        :( ….While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer.”

      • eddie47d

        If Obama belonged to Rev Wrights church for 20 years how could he have all of a sudden jumped into it and “became an instant church goer” . You’re too much Jeff. You ought to be more concerned about the right wing extreme radicals out there that are doing much more damage and killing. You’re credibility is extremely weak on that issue.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie, I wouldn’t expect you to even understand the why’s and the where’s…much less comprehend them.

        Keep parroting though…”no credibility”? LMAO!
        POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkk!

        I’m pretty darn sure you and jopa are related in some way.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        DUH eddie…I’ll give you a hint…Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright

        1972 — Wright becomes pastor of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ.

        1985 — Obama begins working as a community organizer in Chicago; meets Wright.

        1988 — Obama embraces Christianity after hearing a Wright sermon on hope.

        1992 — Obama “joins Trinity United Church”; Wright officiates at Obama’s wedding.
        http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/04/29/1460529-timeline-of-barack-obamas-relationship-with-jeremiah-wright

      • Kate8

        JeffH – The weird thing is, why has Obama gone so overboard to establish his alleged past. Things like writing 2 bios when he’s a virtual nobody, flooding the media with pics of him as a child, wedding photos, etc. Who’s he trying to convice?

        I have grave doubts that any of those things are real. When has any other candidate gone out of his way to put out childhood and wedding photos? It makes no sense, unless he’s trying to divert attention from his actual past.

        Am I the only one who finds this stuff highly suspect?

        I believe it’s all been manufactured. HE’S been manufactured.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Kate8, I can’t argue that…no doubt he’s a made…man to serve(a purpose). Not only do I have a sincere distrust in Obama but I don’t trust most politicians. I just don’t trust government at all anymore.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – I’d say “man of perdition” fits him quite nicely.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Kate8, thanks, I learn something new almost everyday! :)

      • Kate8

        JeffH – Just in case you may not know, “man of perdition” is another Biblical name for the antichrist.

    • Joseph Murphy

      When I first heard the name “Obama”, I said to myself, he is the “Abamanation”

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Rumors were flying in Washington, DC in January 2009 that the first Executive Order that Obama issued would be the one that sealed all of his personal records of birth information, educational documents, passport information, and foreign travel documentation among others.

    In a story by Tom Murse, About.com Contributing Writer, titled “Obama’s First Executive Order” dated September 20, 2010 the question was asked, “Did President Really Seal His Own Personal Records?” It might surprise you, as it did me, that the answer is “No”.

    One day after being sworn in as the 44th president of the United States, on Jan. 21, 2009, Barack Obama signed Executive Order 13489, states Mr. Murse and he continues, “That the first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released. This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda. If this isn’t proof that Obama is hiding something, I don’t know what is.”

    So OK; if he didn’t sign an Executive Order sealing all of his private and personal records of birth, schooling, elected service in the Illinois state Senate as well as all travel abroad, where are all of those records? We can only presume he is still cleverly hiding them, not in an Executive Order, but in the protection of one that says only the records he chooses to be made public will be released.

    The actual wording of Obama’s first Executive Order merely rescinded an earlier executive order issued by President Bush severely limiting public access to presidential records after they left office.

    By doing this he was gaining points by making a Bush’s EO public and not kept secret while at the same time protecting his own personal records and keeping his critical personal information top secret and not subject to later disclosure by a succeeding presidential EO. Sounds slick enough to be a Rahm Emanuel maneuver.

    Tom Murse added, “That now-rescinded executive order 13233, was signed by then-President George W. Bush on Nov. 1, 2001. It allowed former presidents and even family members to declare executive privilege and block public access to White House records for virtually any reason”

    Then quoting Obama, “For a long time now, there’s been too much secrecy in this city. This administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but with those who seek it to be known,” Obama said after signing the order rescinding the Bush-era measure.

    “The mere fact that you have the legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it. Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

    I am sure that this was not the first lie Obama told after becoming the president nor was it his last; but it surely was one hell of a WHOPPER.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/31068

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “if he didn’t sign an Executive Order sealing all of his private and personal records of birth, schooling, elected service in the Illinois state Senate as well as all travel abroad, where are all of those records? ”

      Add in the garbage about the Ryan divorce and how that was also not done by Obama and the article is quickly falling apart as a fabrication.

      Rob

      • czman

        Taking lessons in “teleprompter reading” is really paying off, ain’t it bob? Spewing out all
        that pre-prepared liberal left wing commie garbage makes you feel like a real expert.
        Go away troll, back under your rock.

      • Maggiemoo

        Is that all you’ve got, Robert? Just the Ryan divorce thing? Come on……dispute anything else or sit down and be quiet. Any thinking person can put 2 and 2 together and see something’s rotten in Denmark (or should I say the White House)!

      • Big Daddy

        This article was just another BS propaganda piece of garbarge, nothing really new. The right has nothing else. What is really sad is that people could believe such nonsense. If anything it shows the need to strengthen the Dept of Education.

      • Windrinker

        Big Daddy, lets talk about the Department of Education morons. Do you know that they decided that kids don’t need to read or write in cursive! Cursive writing is no longer taught in public schools to our children and grandchildren.

        The great educators of this country decided that it is not important to be able to read documents…..like the Constitution! Nor, is it important to be able to write a “signature” on a legal document.. If this trend continues, our kids will have to put their “X” on the dotted line, instead..

        Sorry, off topic….I know.

      • DaveH

        Three hundred years ago, people knew that Government control of education would be the platform of Propaganda:
        http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf
        Big Daddy is living proof of the dumbing-down of Americans by Government schools.

        • Deerinwater

          240 some year ago. but I get your point.

      • Brad

        Hey RS,

        You might want to read the E.O. before putting your foot in your mouth; http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

      • DaveH

        DeerInHeadlights, I would think you’d have read the article before you correct me.
        From the article:
        “Moleswonh’s Account of Denmark provided one of the earliest descriptions
        of the dangers of making the education of youth a function of government.”
        And it was written in 1692, Ignoramus.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gloriacameron37 Gloria Cameron

      go now get out now he is nut;s

    • Deerinwater

      “Rumors were flying in Washington, DC in January 2009 that the first Executive Order that Obama issued would be the one that sealed all of his personal records of birth information, educational documents, passport information, and foreign travel documentation among others.”

      Standard policy for all modern sitting Presidents Jay. I don’t like it either, but the nature of people requires this restricted access of information. Protecting “any” sitting President is daunting task. of course you know that.

      Any sitting President is a Target, the threat comes from all sides and out of the blue.

      Why you elect to think “O” unworthy of the same security measures as other is for you to explain to us.

      • DaveH

        Supposedly, the Federal Government is in our employ. Would anybody here hire an employee willingly who refuses to divulge any information about his/her past?

      • Brad

        Hey Deer,

        Wasn’t John Kerry and the DNC guilty of pulishing GW’s military record back in 04? You want to claim Ohmama’s info is private and shouldn’t get divulged, if his info is divulged turn about’s fair play. All in the name of politics.

      • Flashy

        Bush II had those records of his past sealed as quickly as he could. he did produce a very sadly damaged and very incomplete copy of his military records, would not divulge his alcoholic records nor those medical records dealing with his drug abuse, and paid some retired officer to whitewash his going AWOL in time of war. Same with his wife’s records which dealt with her driving while intoxicated and killing a friend.

      • Robert Smith

        Holey smokse the lies that build up are amazing.

        First executive order??????

        On Obama’s first day BUSH’s undid Executive Order 13233 that limited access to the records of former United States Presidents. It was drafted by then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales. George W. Bush was the one who was nuts about secrecy.

        The Order was partially struck down in October 2007, and Barack Obama completely revoked it, by Executive Order 13489[2] on January 21, 2009, his first full day in office.

        Rob

      • Opal the Gem

        ” would not divulge his alcoholic records nor those medical records dealing with his drug abuse, and paid some retired officer to whitewash his going AWOL in time of war.”

        Proof flushy give us proof.

        Oh that’s right the only proof you have is your imagination and there isn’t a link to that.

      • eddie47d

        We’re still waiting for Opal to present any facts or even a wild rumor will do to show us you’re alive. Something besides those short snippy remarks everyday.

    • Kate8

      Jay – Since it has come out that Obama knew he would be installed as POTUS way back when he was a teenager, and Russian agents reported during the Bush administration that someone named Barack Obama would be the next US president, long before anyone had ever heard the name… it is painfully apparent that the groundwork was being laid to assure that his rise to power would be unhindered by his despicable and criminal past.

      We need to have a law that anyone running for public office, especially POTUS, HAS to make his records public and that they are verifiable by anyone who chooses to examine them. We MUST know who these people are. This whole situation has much broader implications than any of us know.

      That the idiot liberal left is so blase on this is very telling. They are all part of group-think, hive-mind, Borg in a matrix. They parrot the same blah blah blah over and over in the same words. One has to wonder if this collective mindset might be the “mark”. You can easily spot them from a mile away.

      Did you know that the O’care act calls for all of us being RFID chipped in 2013?

      Looks like we’ll have a serious choice to be making soon. Become a Borg, or…

      • Robert Smith

        Actually it was Jeri who was a Borg in Star Trek and it was her exhusband’s foolishness that got him out of the campaign for the seat Obama won.

        Yup, looks like another chip off the old crock to me. It wood be something I expect.

        Rob

      • Kate8

        RS – You continue to prove yourself with every post.

        LOL.

      • Bluebluesdancer

        “You said: RS, You continue to prove yourself at every post”

        and I say “Thanks Robert! At least there are a couple of sane and intelligent people on here that are willing to look at the evidence and respond reasonably!”
        Keep it up, RS!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Bluebluesdancer, if I may be so bold to ask…have you also come to this website for some “job research”?

        Just askin’?

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Jeff – Kate – flashman’s coworkers must be on overtime these days – or running scared. :)

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Libertytrain …or both?

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Jeff – you’re right – both.

  • MrJay1

    A wretched waste of air for a POTUS.
    This new Liberalism is a disease we all let right in the door due to the pathetic PC culture that infected our country 2 decades ago.
    Definitely keep your powder dry…

    • Deerinwater

      There is nothing “new”, other then the rhetorical resistance of a noise few Mr Jay1.

      and you can’t shoot or cut your way through or out of it.

      But you can “threaten” and vote.

  • Diane

    What a bunch of idiots!

    • niles

      “cognitive dissonance”
      Dissonance is aroused when people are confronted with information that is inconsistent with their beliefs. If the dissonance is not reduced by changing one’s belief, the dissonance can result in misperception or rejection or refutation of the information, seeking support from others who share the beliefs, and attempting to persuade others to restore consonance.

      • Kate8

        Too bad that those who need to understand this…won’t.

      • Robert Smith

        Too bad those who need to understand Eric Hoffer’s “True Believers” don’t.

        Rob

    • czman

      Agreed, liberals really are quite the idiots. I think there quite a large contingent of Doctors and others refer to it as a “Mental Illness”…

    • TIME

      CZ,

      I am a liberal, and yet what you note is not true of me nor any educated Liberal.
      What you refer to as Liberals are not such, the people you call liberals are little more than mindless mass media turds.

      The facts are one must be {both sides of the same coin} in a truly free nation one weighs the Plus and Minus effects then finds common ground that benifits all of us.
      We have been programed to think that in an deal one should walk away feeling like you lost something, that nothing more than Lex Fori, aka/ Public Policy, or the Law of the Cesar. There is something thats a TRUTH that most Americans don’t even know, we don’t follow the law that was set forth in the ” Original Constitution.” We have been following the format of Lex Fori from 1960 on.

      When one thinks in only one sided formats – they loose the sight of the BIG Picture then they loose not only the battle but the war. ” Divide and Conquer.”

      Many of you need to really learn to stop useing the mass medias type castings and learn how to see whats real as well whats not, BTW, if its on mass media its for sure little more than 100% total BS from start to finish.
      If you all keep beating each other up on nothing but the PROGRAMED rhetoric we are all feed daily by way of the Mass media and yes that means even FOX news – we all will loose in the end. Is that really of any POSITIVE benifit to this nation?

      With Freedom, comes GREAT Responsibility, the ability to allow others to offend not only you but anyone.

      Peace and Love.

      • DaveH

        As with most words in the English Language, the word Liberal has several different meanings.
        I believe the most accurate description of a political Liberal is one who wants change from Tradition, whereas a Conservative wants to keep things the same. Since our Tradition is one of Limited Government, I call Liberals (politically) those who advocate for Big Government, and Conservatives are those who advocate for Small Government.
        I don’t think you fall in the Big Government crowd, Time.

      • Windrinker

        Mr. Peace and Love,

        Don’t worry, none of us buy into the MSM garbage!

        And real offensive people need a crack on the head, so they learn to be gracious and have manners. There are many of them in Washington that are in need of manners and some “patriotism.” They all sit on the Left!

      • Kate8

        Very well said, TIME.

        If only we could get past debating meaningless party-line fed talking points, we might be able to make some headway.

        Of course, this is the whole reason for having people programmed to keep busy with ideological banter…while those at the top move forward with their real agenda to snare us all. We all know something is wrong, but most people cling to their theories of how things “should be”, locked into a groove of thinking programmed ideas meant only to keep us blaming the other side for our sorry state of affairs and feeling powerless.

        Disconnect, people! Step away from the media and in a few days your own mind will start to kick in…that is, if there is any of it left. We are living the very definition of insanity… it’s time for some fresh ideas and clear thinking.

        We don’t have to go down with the ship. We could break free from the matrix and start forming our own system. But we need to stop believing in the illusion to which we’ve given complete control. Mind control is the greatest weapon of modern warfare, and it absolutely needs our coooperation to work.

        We can’t build a life on theories which have no bearing on reality. Our world takes form from what we project from within ourselves. Love is the only healer, and there is only one Way to unlock it. Men’s hearts have waxed cold in our world, by evil design, and WE have allowed it. WE must be the ones to choose anew.

        We MUST begin thinking our own thoughts. Have we completely forgotten how to do that? Has the constant barrage of “information” succeeded, after all, in destroying our ability to function as natural beings, wiping out our innate capablity of common sense and objective thought?

        Well?

      • wordwaryor

        We must all remember that we got into this current MESS in two ways. First we Compromised our way into it ….. yielding to expedience and compromising with Liberal Leftists ….. was THE WRONG thing to do. This led us to the disaster of $ 118 Trillion in debt for the entitlements and $ 16 Trillion in National Debt. Just the $ 118 Trillion amounts to more than $ 1 Million per taxpayer. So we should now STOP this insane practice. It is insane because we keep doing it and expecting a different result. That strategy no longer works with Liberals and Democrats. We must abandon it.

        And the second way we got here is by standing by silently and not rising up in protest about the travesty’s of our government operating outside the LIMITS prescribed by the Constitution. NO MORE……. We the People demand our Constitutional Republic be put back in place and that government be REDUCED significantly and held accountable to the Constitution and to the People.

        Power to the People and to the Tea Party !!

      • Windrinker

        COMPROMISING with evil men has brought this country to a breaking point!

        COMPROMISE with Evil and Evil wins very time!

        What is all this “love, peace, compromise” crap! Never compromise “to get along!” That is a bunch of liberal bull-crap! It is the way they have “incrementally” come to power and taken away our freedoms. Many people agree with this “feel good” liberal trash they are pushing on us…it is all about “emotions” and making one “feel good” about throwing away conservative principles!

        We paid no attention to these radicals because we dismissed them as idiots that were just “out in left field.” But, we dismissed them, at our own “peril!” As a result, about Twenty-percent of this country is ruling the other Eighty-percent. That is not working for me!

      • Bluebluesdancer

        I actually want to respond to Dave H;
        You give the definition of Liberal and claim that it represents Big Government.
        I recommend that you do some homework. The TRUTH IS FAR FROM WHAT YOUR PARTY WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE! The governments that have grown the most and cost the country the most over the past 60 years have ALWAYS been the Republican version… and luckily for all of US the Democrats (who are obviously the smartest, and realize that a Good Life For All means more than just the top 2%) have always been available an able to start fixing the disaster that they inherit. EVERY TIME, chaps… EVERY TIME!
        Go on believing whatever you like, but you are just showing your ignorance as you blaspheme, lie and twist the facts while watching your propaganda on Faux News. Pathetic!

      • DaveH

        No, BlueBluesDancer,
        You are stuck in the Republican/Democrat paradigm while they both keep growing Government. Politicians love ignorant people like yourself, Dancer. How else could they grow their power at the peoples’ expense?
        What is pathetic, Dancer, is that you think a Liberal is defined as a Democrat. There are Liberals in both major Parties.

      • DaveH

        Read this, Dancer, and get your head out of that smelly place:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

    • Bluebluesdancer

      “Fascism, communism, and religion spread by promising a glorious future. To be successful, these mass movements need the adherents to be willing to sacrifice themselves and others for the future goals. To do so, mass movements often glorify the past and devalue the present. Mass movements appeal to frustrated people who are dissatisfied with their current state, but are capable of a strong belief in the future. As well, mass movements appeal to people who want to escape a flawed self by creating an imaginary self and joining a collective whole. Some categories of people who may be attracted to mass movements include poor people, misfits, former soldiers, and people who feel thwarted in their endeavors. Hoffer quotes extensively from leaders of the Nazi and communist parties in the early part of the 20th century, to demonstrate, among other things, that they were competing for adherents from the same pool of people predisposed to support mass movements.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Progressivism was a major reform movement that began in the
        late 1800s. The movement shared the intellectual roots of European state theorists such as Hegel and Marx. In 20th century Europe their ideas came to fruition in the forms of
        communism in Russia, national socialism––that is, Naziism––in Germany, and fascism in Italy, respectively.

        These movements were ideological cousins of American Progressivism, certainly not isolated from one another; their respective leaders read the same philosophers and made the same arguments, albeit in their respective cultural contexts. Before the outbreak of World War II, American progressive intellectuals had many good things to say about Mussolini and Hitler. Their admiration for these dictators was drawn from their ability to mobilize and centrally plan national economies and society in general, to give “direction” to the otherwise “chaotic” social processes of democratic societies and capitalism. Progressives’ admiration for authoritarian rulers was not quelled after the ravages of the war were over. On the contrary, they went on to admire the machinations of Stalin’s heavy-handed ruling of the inhabitants of the Soviet Union.

        Progressivism advocates—then and now—a total break from the principles of freedom articulated in our founding documents, particularly the Declaration of Independence. It seeks to either get around or dismantle limitations on government power, the very constitutional limitations established in the Constitution for the protection of individual freedom.

        For this reason, the progressives desire for something old in world history, not something new.

        The progressives rejected the notion of negative liberty secured through a limited government, of “natural rights” and any subsequent limits of power set up to secure those rights. They viewed the Constitution as a roadblock to progress, not a bulwark of freedom. They saw unbridled freedom in capitalism as the chief enemy of their notion of freedom and sought to use government as the means to the end of social progress.
        http://www.freedomlessons.net/freedom4.html

      • George E

        JeffH – nice response.

  • niles

    Barack Obama, a complete embarssment to our nation. A clown, bafoon, crook and conman. The laughter that must go on
    by the leaders of other countries. That we, the american people elect a man with zero qualifications and the inablity to lead
    a cubscout troop. Least of all the United States. It is past time, that we abandon our hippie generation, rockstar mentality
    and start electing leaders as our forefathers once did. Men of moral character and a history of leadership ability.
    Wake up america before it’s too late.. If not, then plug in your ipod and rock on.

  • dan

    …it’s like the cops always say when they’re fishin’ : If you don’t have anything to hide…
    why would you mind if I take a look.
    Thugocracy is beyond Chicago style politics…this is Kenyan / Goebels style .

    • eddie47d

      So Dan does that mean that if the police,FBI,IRS,child services or whoever comes to you front door you will eagerly invite them in and let them rummage through your persona’ items> Goebbel style of coarse. You make it sound so easy!

      • Meteorlady

        Big difference… I would not let them in unless they were legally authorized to do so. I have a right to know the TRUE background of the person I vote for the highest office in this land. I deserve to see a list of ALL their campaign contributors and the amounts they contributed. I have the right to see a history of that person. I have a right to know why Obama AND his wife voluntarily surrendered their law licenses. I have a right to see a VALID birth certificate. I personally do not care to dig into their private lives, but I do care about public records being hidden.

  • Jim

    Actually his first act of office was to finance abortion. He wanted to start out evilly.

    • Robert Smith

      And that information is where???????

      Rob

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Why are you commenting on anything/ You apparently do not have the ability to read, and or, anything that resembles a third grade level of reading comprehension.

    • Meteorlady

      Careful Jim stick to facts.

      On his second day in office, Obama overturned the “Mexico City Policy” that prohibited the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) from contributing money to international family planning agencies that offered abortions or abortion counseling.

  • Roger Short

    The most troubling thing of all, about Obama, and there is much that is troubling, is that most people in authority, including most of the media, do not want to know whether he is a natural born citizen. They don’t care, and the fact is that there is more evidence to prove that he is not, than that he is! This is an extremely dangerous, and frightening situation!!

    • Louis Lemieux

      What do you do with the two newspapers of Hawaii who reported Obama’s birth with the date and his mother’s name. What do you do with the neighbors who remember when Obama was born.

      • Robert Smith

        Niels said it: ““cognitive dissonance”

        Courage from the right in the face of mounting evidence.

        They can never be wrong. Just ask Rush.

        Rob

      • rhcrest

        What neighbors. His grandparents registered his foreign birth and those announcements were generated automatically. Very simple. The announcements don’t prove a thing. People put announcements about their grandchildren being born all the time, even when they are not local.

      • czman

        The PTB just keep sending that “hush money” their way…never fails.

      • Maggiemoo

        What neighbors?

      • George E

        What do you do with Obama’s Kenyan relatives who have stated they remember that he was born there?

      • rhcrest

        George, aww they are only his relatives. What do they know? I mean why would a grandmother know where her grandson was born? What an absurd idea.

      • Patriot

        Should be so easy to prove then! Let’s see the records and why in the world does Obama have several SS #’s, last time I checked I have only 1!

      • bob jones

        Many, many foreign born babies have had their birth notices published in US newspapers simply because of the tremendous advantages US citizenship offers. The only people who have come forward to say they were present at Obama’s birth are his relatives who have repeatedly told everyone that they were there at his birth in Kenya. By the way, his birth records were available in Kenya until shortly after he was elected when Kenyan officials reported that all records of births the week Obama was born had been removed from Kenya’s archives, which should surprise no one. Also, dozens of document experts have shown how the long form birth certificate presented by the White House was actually produced in layers, proving it was a very poorly fabricated replica since legitimate birth certificates are obviously not produced in layers, and then there is the phony selective service card and the stolen Connecticut social security number that they can’t explain away either. Then of course there are his medical and school records that have also been sealed. People do not spend millions to seal all records of their past and produce poorly made replicas because they have nothing to hide.

      • eddie47d

        Actually there are people who spend thousands and even millions defending themselves against false accusations. Politics and tabloid journalism seldom brings out the finest in anyone.

      • steve wilson

        What do you go with the three false birth certificates, 18 false SS numbers, and fruadulent Selective Service Card. You are worried about a newspaper announcement??

      • Windrinker

        Announcements of “live birth” in newspapers mean nothing. Anyone can pay to put in announcements.

        There is no “birth certificate,” those released have proven to be fakes.

        But, we don’t need a birth certificate or an “announcement” to know that this illegal foreigner is not qualified to be in the oval office. His father was not a citizen of this country and never has been.

        • Kim Sturdevant

          Excuse me, Obama is using the Social Security Number of a DEAD MAN. Unless he is willing to admit that all Social Security Numbers are messed up and mean nothing he is in big trouble.

      • Kate8

        Amazing, isn’t it? The media continues to control this issue.

        It seems that the floodgates of information have been pouring out more than enough evidence to convict, yet there are no ears to hear. The sell-out leftist zombies continue to deny, even while excusing O’s blatant, in your face refusal to unseal his records. The right continues to ignore and dismiss. The voice of the people grows louder every day, to no avail.

        Meanwhile, America is being dismantled at breakneck speed.

      • Robert Smith

        Question asked: “What do you do with Obama’s Kenyan relatives who have stated they remember that he was born there…”

        You are talking about the grandmother?

        That was clearly an error by the interpritor and corrected moments later.

        Rob

      • Kate8

        RS My, my. Such selective, pick and choose, who to believe…

        Are you saying his grandmother is not credible because she was a simple black woman?

        Isn’t that shovel getting a little heavy yet?

        • http://lenmilleresq.wordpress.com lenmilleresq

          Please birthers get a life. Obama is your President. Not only that, if you really paid attention to policy and issue instead of this birther nonsense, you would actually see that he is a moderate and a pragmatist. His policies include such conservative causes as the Individual Mandate for health insurance (Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Orrin Hatch, Newt, etc.,. etc.) and Cap and Trade– McCain and yues— Sarah Palin. I did not know that Palin was a Marxist-Socialist.

  • DocVenture

    Bob, I believe all of what you reported is true. However: What I really want to know, is who is the puppeteer behind Obama? He is intelligent in a cunning and deceitful way, but he doesn’t have the intellectual horsepower to pull off the biggest scam in American politics today. Someone else is behind him pulling all the strings. Who is it? That is what America really needs to know. Of course Obama is a corrupt Chicago thug politician, he learned from the best of them. But he’s just a symptom of the problem. What we need to identify is the exact nature of the cancer, then cut it out from within!

    • Kate8

      DocV – Most of us know who is behind Obama.

      Nevertheless, he cannot be allowed to stand. He symbolizes the control the global corporate interests hold over our nation through bribery, blackmail and threats.

      I think he was placed there for just this reason. It’s a poke in the eye, a message to America that we have fallen, that our system has been replaced, that we have no voice.

      So, the question is, what now? Are we to put all of our hope in the next election? Seriously? Who controls the elections? Certainly not us.

      Do we lay down and roll over?

      • Bluebluesdancer

        Stammering Kate: You said ” DocV – Most of us know who is behind Obama.”
        Do, pray tell, elucidate us… we are very curious!! I know it’s not Dick Cheney (even though he and Barack Obama are related) or Donald Rumsfeld, because whatever Obama has done that you think is ‘rotten’, nothing compares to the staff behind GW Bush… so let us in on it will you? Oh! The Democratic Party, you say?? The Constitution you say? Yeah, well we all know that!
        Why don’t you try taking a look at what ‘your’ party has been up to for the past thirty years and come up with some excuses… Oh I forgot… there are none, so all you can do is try to distract everyone from the facts and pretend that you have ‘evidence’ of ‘bad stuff’ that doesn’t exist. I bet your favorite radio shows are Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck!!! LOL!!!! You are hysterical!

      • Kate8

        Blueblues – Your post betrays your ignorance and complete lack of awareness.

        Most of us know who the real powers are, and it has nothing to do with phoney party politics. That’s only a diversion to keep us busy (I refer you to my post to TIME, a few posts up).

        If you really don’t know, and you obviously don’t, I’m not going to go into it for you. Plenty of us have gone over and over it for a long time now, and you’d only mock me, anyway. I suggest you start asking questions and doing research beyond the MSM. They aren’t going to tell you, because they are owned by said powers.

        Happy hunting. Or not. Either way, you are on your own, just like the rest of us.

        • Deerinwater

          Oh! flock! My brand is better then your brand!

  • Moby49

    Thuggery?? Don’t make me laugh. After the dark period we went through with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, this environment is sweetness and light by comparison. How come you never objected when that bunch of thugs was in power? Could it be you voted for those thugs??

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Moby49,

      You write: “After the dark period we went through with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, this environment is sweetness and light by comparison.” They are all evil in their own ways. I would not consider either “sweetness and light” and that you do reveals a lot about you.

      You write: “How come you never objected when that bunch of thugs was in power?” You are speaking out of your hat. Were you reading this site while Bush was “in power?” The answer is no. It did not exist until late 2008. Were you reading this site in 2008? Since the site was started in late 2008, at the end of Bush’s term, there was not a lot of time to reveal the evils of the Bush administration here. However, there are articles in our archives that have dealt with both Bushes and what they have done to the country, if you cared to look before spouting off from a pre-conceived bias. However, in my newsletter, The Bob Livingston Letter (www.boblivingstonletter.com, subscription required), which I began publishing in 1969, there is much in the archives about previous administrations that you might be interested in.

      You write: “Could it be you voted for those thugs?” No.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • JON

        Late in 2008 Bush was still in office. He wasn’t officially out of office until President Obama was sworn in on January 20th 2009.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear JON,

        And your point is?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Deerinwater

        The point is! all this red,white and blue , mamma and apple pie, long live the constitution only started in 2009 and only gained some prominence in 2010.

        short memory?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        “short memory”? In your case it would be NO memory!

        My know-it-all neighbor went rambling on about irrelevant crap from how to groom dogs, how to tattoo arms to how to construct a road and how to build a house instead of getting to the point
        about figuring out the problem. As it turned out he didn’t
        know how anyway.

    • steve wilson

      Why is it that every
      time Obama is exposed people start yelling Bush. What makes people think that the people exposing Obama agreed with everything that Bush did. You people are like a second grade tattle tell. Just take your ball and go home and stop voting for second graders for POTUS!!

    • DaveH

      Moby49, a simple question? Even a Liberal should be able to answer it.
      What did Bush do wrong?

      • Flashy

        DaveH..the shorter answer would be to the question to name any policy of Bush II/Cheney that was a success. What did he do right? Ummmmm….well……there’s maybe …..golly…can’t think of anything….

      • DaveH

        As usual, Flashman dances around the question.

      • Bluebluesdancer

        Destroyed the economy and took us into three wars with no intention of ever paying for anything that he spent money on… borrowed money from the US Citizens and paid it to them and to the large corprations as a tax break… removed restrictions on exporting jobs… outsourced Amercan jobs overseas… Guantanamo… Homeland Security and Privacy invasion… it’s hard to NOT think of something, and it’s MUCH harder to think of anything that he did right! Oh! One thing that has always bugged me, is how he took our fragile reputation on the world stage, and pissed on it, so that for the first time in HISTORY, foreign dignitaries turned away or refused to shake his hand at functions! That made us the laughing-stock of the world and was unforgivable!!
        Thank goodness we have Obama now! I thought that it would be impossible for anyone to rectify the disaster within my lifetime, but in only 3 and a half years Obama has brought our respectability back! What an amazing Statesman! Other countries may disagree with some of his actions, but at least they respect him! (Go and look at what Euro-newspapers say… you’ll see the facts there, if you are brave enough to accept that the Republicans were a disaster!

  • Louis Lemieux

    The real thugs are those coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories like Obama’s false birth certificate hoping it will make a dent in his integrity among the American public. Barack Obama welcomes elections. He who wins an election has a mandate to try to accomplish what he ran for and Obama won the 2008 general election campaigning for health care reform.

    • http://none John W. Riley

      Sir, your memory is somewhat selective! It was ‘hope and change’ also, do you remember his words “in five days this country will fundamentally change” That’s the only true statement Obama has made. We are in the tank (financially and morally) and Obama spends 2 years passing the health-care bill, behind closed doors with Pelosi & Reid as the promoters. Pelosi “you have to pass it, before you can find out what is in it” what sort of idiot, makes a statement like that! And she’s been one of our Law Makers, God help the USA. As for Reid he is a disgrace as well, no Budget for over 3 years, that’s against the law! Or are they saying Obama’s budget (2 of them, of which, failed miserably) are the rationale for no Senate budgets, I think not! What a state of affairs, this country is in! The People need a clean sweep, otherwise we are destined for the trash pile! GREECE, is around the corner for the USA! November should be a real eye opener, for all politicians on both sides of the isle! But the main goal is to get Obama and his clowns out of office. Then followed by a real shake-up of term politicians can hold office, no more ‘career-politicians’ period! Louis, your a dreamer as is the rest of your like-minded sociopaths!

      • Louis Lemieux

        Our perception of reality are antipodal. I sincerely believe the US wouldn’t be any better today with McCain as president, and with McCain as president the US wouldn’t be that bad either. Both Obama and McCain want what’s best for America!

      • Brad

        Really Louis,

        So you know what was in John McCains mind and what he would have done if elected POTUS. Three years and 88 days later we find our selves over 15 Trillion in the hole and still counting with over 5 Trillion attributed directly to democrats and I’ll say it spineless republicans. With over 44 thousand new regulations since taking office, bush pushed 20K in eight year’s, gas was $1.86 in Jan 09 look at what it is today, reaching four bucks and in other places well over that. Please tell us, what would have John McCain done if POTUS?

    • George E

      Obama made so many campaign promises that he hasn’t kept, make the mind swirl. He totally misrepresented himself and his policies. The interesting thing is that his supporters either haven’t noticed or just don’t care. You have to be more committed to the man than what he stands for or does to do that. Is that putting country first?

      • eddie47d

        Every politician has a wish list and so do the Republicans. Some are over ambitious but get played out anyway. If one side supports an issue the other side will automatically attack that same issue even when they once supported it. You should be well aware of that by now.

      • Brad
      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Brad, smack! :) eddie should heed his own advise…if he even has a clue about what he says and the actual meaning…like apples and oranges.

      • George E

        Eddie,

        I certainly agree that most politicians tend to over promise and under deliver. However, I believe Obama has reset the bar during his administration. Worse yet, it looks like he has been intentionally misleading us as to what he would do with all of his “promises.”

    • bob jones

      Louis, what integrity are you talking about? I do not think I have ever seen anyone who ever had less integrity than Obama.

    • Jibbs

      You can’t get a state I.D. with the birth certivicate he posted…wake up!

    • Oneguess

      Obamao HAS no integrity.

    • DaveH

      Louis,
      If Obama does indeed satisfy the natural-born requirements, why did his Administration issue an electronically altered Birth Certificate as proof? Wouldn’t it have been much simpler to issue the real certificate?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

      • DaveH

        “How fortunate for Leaders that people do not think” — Hitler

      • Kate8

        Dave H. – No kidding.

        Pathetic, isn’t it.

  • WayneC

    Questions why is there an add for Obama on your website Mr. Livington ? Is this a mistake ?

  • Ajfrench

    Isn’t it illegal in the US to threaten someone; and if so, why hasn’t he been arrested.

    • Flashy

      LOL…..if it is illegal to threaten someone, there are illegal acts performed daily on this site. :)

      • Capitalist at Birth

        What should be illegal, is allowing people like you any semblance of freedom.

      • eddie47d

        So CB do you want to control Flashy’s thoughts and make them illegal or visa versa?

      • DaveH

        One of the unfortunate side-effects of Freedom of Speech — even Sociopaths like Flashman are allowed to speak freely.

      • DaveH

        Ask me to prove you’re a Sociopath, Flashman.

      • Kate8

        Remember, Obama declared himself above the Law. He now says, the law is what he says it is.

        The question is, from where does he derive this authority? Hug? Where?

        I wrote to the Lead Counsel in the SCOTUS case against O’care, posing similar questions. He wrote back, and while acknowledging the validity of my questions, called them “rhetorical”.

        I did not think them rhetorical. I wanted answers.

        I responded that, with all due respect, if this is the best the nation’s brightest legal minds could come up with…well, that explains a lot.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        yes LOL flashy proves that to us each day with his bogus posts.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Start listing all those supposedly illegal acts.You mentioned them, you prove them.

      • eddie47d

        Time to pony up Capitalist at Birth. Prove the charges.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jpacord John Acord

    There is one question that must be addressed to Romney, and that is would he sign an executive order unsealing Hussein’s records? All of us would like to hear his answer.

  • Insurgent

    The price America continues to pay for slavery.
    The price America is paying for allowing illegals in the US.
    The price America is paying for gangsta politics.
    The price America is paying for a Muslim in the White House.
    The price America is paying for asking a BOY to do a man’s job.

    So how is this hopey, changey thingy working for you?

    • Patte B

      it’s not working but I didn’t vote for him…I saw through the facade…

    • DocVenture

      Ditto. I voted for the American war hero.

      • wt

        Now you8 can vote for a Mexican Morman cultist whose three sons are military cowards

      • Insurgent

        WT——————————————-anyone is better than your Kenyan!!!!

      • George E

        wt,

        Obviously, the left doesn’t care about character, morality, integrity, or experience or they wouldn’t have supported Obama or Clinton. So, don’t start denigrating Romney’s character on that basis. These are values the right cares about. If Romney has problems in this regard, the right will take care of it, not the left. Stick with policies. Obama’s a socialist that wants big inefficient government programs that will tax us to death and criminalize our day-to-day lives. Obama is anti-free enterprise and is choking our economy to death with his regulations and other constraints. Romney has a record of being pro-business, even if he has been too accepting of big government as well. However, Romney can’t be as bad as Obama in that respect, and probably better, I’d bet. Regardless, there’s little doubt Romney will do a better job than Obama helping our businesses and our economy grow again. Obama hasn’t got a clue how to do this, or he is intentionally trying to destroy the American economy if you consider what he has done, and is still doing.

      • eddie47d

        After a devastated economy Obama did well under the circumstances in getting us back on track. Obama will be judged on his successes and his failures but hopefully we will never go back to giving big business a free reign in harming our economy and world wide credibility again.

      • DaveH

        And therein lies our problem, Doc. McCain (my state Senator) would have continued to grow Government, but more slowly, less perceptively. Our Government would have grown ever-larger but there’s a good chance people wouldn’t have awakened to that fact as Obama has awakened them.
        Never before have I witnessed so many people actually learning about the wisdom of the Constitution that our Founders tried to protect us with. Unfortunately, Freedom takes effort and our Ancestors didn’t make the effort to prevent the Constitution from being trampled by those who seek Power over our lives, like Obama, like Bush, like Clinton, like Bush Sr., like Carter, like Nixon, …..
        Our salvation and Freedom are dependent on people realizing that Leaders are in it for themselves. They throw the people only enough crumbs to get re-elected. The degradation of our country will continue until people shed their propaganda blinders and wake to reality:
        http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/12/sociopathic-politician.html

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        DaveH, you’ve got McCain and I got the double dip of Feinstein and Boxer…stupid is as stupid does.

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        The war hero that supported the latest NDAA and is helping Obama make the Constitution useless? You must mean McCain.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Insurgent,
      On your prices:
      1 Just goes to show you how evil slavery is.
      2 Too bad American employers are pulling those illegals into our country with their jobs/pay.
      3 We vote them in.
      4 President Obama is a Christian.
      5 President Obama is a good man (and your emphasis on the word boy can only be taken as a racial slur).

      As far as “hopey, changey”; he has done a pretty good job under the very difficult circumstances that greeted his administration.

  • Randall Lechner

    When the king of England threatened the lives of our forefathers, their families, wealth, plantations and all they owned if they didn’t bow down and serve him….they believed that FREEDOM was far more important then slavery. They indeed defied his threat, fought for our freedom and lost life, families, plantations, wealth and everything they earned….just so WE could live FREE from tyranny. Yet today’s individuals bow down to O bomb A’s treats from his KGB army and long list of murders, Will we ever stand up against communism or is it too late? Just how many communist are in our congress?

    • Carl Manning

      “Just how many communists are in our congress?”

      I have often asked that question myself. I would also love to know what were in those FBI files Hillary and Bill were using illegally as blackmail against Congressmen and Senators, especially of the GOP variety. Hillary and Bill and Obama were/are all KGB spies. That’s the untold story up until now. Prepare to have your mind blown wide open when this former KGB intelligence officer and sniper hitman, Mikhail Kryzhanovsky, reveals what he has known for the past 30 years as a former KGB intelligence officer, former CIA intelligence officer, and now American patriot…

      http://www.pooler-georgia-homepage.com/mikhail-kryzhanovsky.html

  • Phyllis in Tx

    We are slowly letting it happen to us, the law to arrest us as American citizens and have no trials, just be taken away forever. Why don’t we do something about that? When it happens what will we say. “I don’t believe it!” Obama has always been a thug most of us knew it in 2008! Three kinds of people in the world 1. Those that make things happen….2. Those that watch things happen…………..3. And those that say “what happened?”

    • rhcrest

      The Germans had the same sense of denial as they watched Hitler do the things he did. The Jews still had no comprehnsion of why they were being loaded up into the box cars. There were people sounding the warning bells about Hitler but they were riduculed and ignored etc just like the Obots you see here on the comments page. People seem to forget that Hitler was elected just like Obama. And he didn’t start off loading people into ovens. He did things little by little. Sound familiar?

      • wt

        Hhahahahahahahahahhaa…talk about uneducated.

        Obama is hitler?

        Yeah what is it he has done that would make you say that? Oh, he tried to get healthcare for all folkls. Guess what, I’m guessing you have no healthcare yourself. I see lots of red necks come i the ER with no money or policies, all the while talking against Obamacare.

      • Louis Lemieux

        When Germany failed to make a foreign debt payment in 1923, 40,000 French and Belgian troops invaded. To appease its creditors, the German government printed more money. It issued 17 trillion marks in 1923 (compared to 1 trillion in 1922). By August 1923, a dollar was worth 620,000 marks. By early November 1923, hyperinflation in Germany had caused the exchange rate hit 630 billion to one. With all the problems the Germans had, it was easy enough for Hitler to use the election process itself in order to do away with elections. The opposition was way too weak to stop him. Anyone who believes the US to be in a similar situation today doesn’t understand History too well.

      • rhcrest

        Mr. Lemiuex, what the heck do you think Obama is doing now? You don’t think with all the debt he has created and all the money being printed that hyperinflation is on its way? It appears you don’t understand current events too well.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jturbine69 Jim Tobin

          Sheeple dont think for themselves and go with the flow just like whats happening now.

      • eddie47d

        If there are going to be any ovens Rhcrest (I don’t believe there will be) they will be endorsed by the extreme right to annihilate what they perceive as undesirables.You know exactly who would be on that list and so do I.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Once again eddie misses the whole point…whose the only one really thinking of ovens here? eddie!

    • Flashy

      Ummmm..there were more than a few Americans “arrested”, detained without trial, refused counsel, and never had the usual “legal niceties” allowed during Bush II’s regime. (note: the “legal niceties’ is from the regime, I merely repeat it here).

      Did you cry up then?

      In this administration, I know of no one who has been detained and denied the Rights afford in the usual and customary criminal case. If so, I am certain follow up posts will be enlightening.

      • DocVenture

        True, Flashy…including the New Black Panthers that threatened voters at a Pennsylvania polling place. You Obownow apologists are all the same. You refuse to see the corruption right in front of your face, you’d rather deflect it off onto someone else. Grow up!

      • eddie47d

        No one was intimidated at that Philadelphia polling place or turned away. There has to be an action (proof) before you can make a claim against someone.Being someplace doesn’t automatically make a person guilty and something has to be said or a worded sign shown to prove intentions. Heck we could say anyone with a concealed weapon on him could be threat to those around him and must be arrested. You need a higher degree of evidence than assumptions to make an actual arrest.

      • DaveH

        Typical ignorant Flashman question — “Did you cry up then?”.
        Even if somebody didn’t, is it a problem for people to wake up and change, Flashman?

    • rhcrest

      How about the NDAA which suspends habeus corpus? Or is that ok with you? And by the way, thank you for proving my point beautifully.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jturbine69 Jim Tobin

        We’re screwed if some things dont change real quick.

      • Flashy

        Are you referring to the NDAA which has been signed by several past presidents ? i believe including Reagan?

      • rhcrest

        I am referring to what Obama signed into law in December that suspends habeus corpus, and it was signed by him, not President Reagan. The only other POTUS that did this was Lincoln. I just researched it to confirm on wikepedia.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Lincoln declared martial law which he had to do in order to invade the South militarily and to my knowledge it was never repealed by a presidential declaration to that effect hence we are still under martial law with no legal remedies.

          Another point to consider is the one that was brought up about a POTUS simply ignoring the Supreme Court and Obama and his muscle men will no doubt do the same. The only way that Obama would cow tow to the Supreme Court is if he feared a reaction from the people if he didn’t. Does Obama respect let alone fear the people of this country? I doubt it.

      • Flashy

        RH…Pres. Obama signed the one Exec Order stating that people detained as terrorists…i.e. Gitmo prisoners, had a Right of Habeus Corpus. I am unaware of any other Exec Order he may have signed which would diminish HC.

        The NDAA which he had to sign in january included detention language at the insistence of the GOP…and if Obama had veto’d the legislation the Military would have been cut off for such minor items as paychecks, health care, etc.

        What he did do was sign a statement of No Action which he said he did not consider the provision for suspending Habeus Corpus to be legitimiate and he would not recognize it.

        So what are you referring to?

    • rhcrest

      Oh and by the way wt, healthcare was one of the first things Hitler got control of. Ever hear of the t-4 system? Good lord you are ignorant

      • eddie47d

        There are sections of the Patriot Act that should be repealed if we can find Congress persons with enough courage to do so. The same with section 1021 of NDAA. Obama doesn’t get any brownie points for allowing that to stand and neither does any other member of Congress and that includes the majority of Republicans.

  • John R. Howell

    I fear that the puppeteers will structure food riots this summer and fall, which will give
    Obama the excuse he wants to impose martial law, suspend the constitution, confiscate everybody’s guns, and declare himself president for life. A new Dark Ages is already upon us. John R. Howell

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      John R. Howell, if Obama does declare martial law he’ll only do it for the show as he doesn’t need to because we are still under it from Lincoln’s days. Does the fact that we currently exist in a state of martial law really mean anything to most of us? No, too many are to ignorant to understand the importance of this. The final test of this was during the confusing days after 9-11 when all sorts of “preventative measures” were put into place to guard against further terrorist actions on US soil. Was martial law declared by Bush during that time and if it was did he ever repeal it? A POTUS can declare martial law and it takes a POTUS to repeal it. I was too busy working at that time and might have missed the Declaration of Martial Law but if it had been done surely it would have made front line news.

  • Louis Lemieux

    I still can see Bush’s face trying to cope with the sudden fall of the economy at the end of his presidency. In his first term Obama was able to reduce, finally stop and reverse that fall which was one of the worse in History. Now Mitt Romney will try and take over the job and take credit later for all the work Obama did.

    • Sirian

      You must be smoking some really good stuff LL.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Sirian, people who don’t have good arguments for their convictions talk the way you do.

      • Brad

        Sorry Louis,

        Sirian make perfect sense; what happened with our economy was a perfect storm that took years to develop and finally played out in 2007. What you and the rest on the left neglect to acknowledge, the Bush admin tried to stave off the developing ecnomic downturn which engulfed the entire nation and other countries. Wasn’t it the left that stopped financial reform in 03, 05 and 07 but when Ohmama took over the RATS form of financial reform was passed. His HCR act, taking over 1/6th of the US economy, please start barking up another tree because those on the left as the right have the same uninsured that welch off uncle sugar. What wasn’t presented in HCR, real cost cutting measures that would have helped all average American’s; i.e. allow insurers to cross state lines, allow tort reform and that’s just the tip of the spear. So what was the real reason our economy fell apart again was, I didn’t think you would answer that question. Good day sir.

      • DaveH

        Obama reversed the fall, Louis?
        Non-farm Employment in January 2009 — 133561000
        Non-farm Employment in January 2012 — 132821000
        That’s 740,000 fewer people employed now then when Obama took office.
        How much did Government spend to accomplish that wonderful feat?
        Federal Government Spending in 2008 — $2982 Billion
        Federal Government Spending in 2011 — $3603 Billion
        That’s $621 Billion more spending to give us 740,000 fewer jobs. What a deal!

      • DaveH

        People should also be aware of this fact:
        http://mises.org/content/nofed/chart.aspx?series=TMS

        When the money supply increases it results in more dollars chasing fewer goods and thus higher dollar prices for the goods and services we buy. Various factors — increased productivity, banks sitting on the new money, lower employment due to recession — act to inhibit the near-term price increases, but eventually we will see massive increases in the prices of our goods and services.
        The ironic thing is that the big inflation might happen after a new Conservative president such as Ron Paul gets elected, in which case the Media Propagandists will likely convince the ignorant masses that it was Ron Paul’s fault.
        The Leaders and their supporting Cronies have the odds stacked in their favor, which is why Freedom is so scarce in today’s world. Our only chance is for the citizens to become educated. But they will have to do it on their own, because the MSM and the Public Propaganda Schools sure aren’t going to do it for them.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Dave H, you should take into consideration that the US has more workers in 2012 than it did in 2009 due to population growth. ☼

      • Louis Lemieux

        Dave H, if the past is a clue as to where were heading with our federal debt:
        1950 USfederal debt= 80% of GDP.
        1960=46%of GDP. The economy grew, so the ratio of debt to GDP fell, and everything worked out fiscally.

      • Brad

        Louis,

        All I have to say 2012 Gross Debt = 103% of GDP doesn’t look good for the US, wouldn’t you say so.

    • Maggiemoo

      Wow…..Louis, you have just proven to us that you do not live in the real world! WAKE UP!!!!!

      • Louis Lemieux

        Maybe I’m better informed than you are. Don’t we all have a left and right eye to determine how to proceed forward? It’s by consciously making an effort to understand those who do not think the same way we do that we can become a better citizen and move the country forward. Why do you think I’m on this site?!

      • DaveH

        I think you’re on this site, Louis, to spread your Liberal misinformation.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Louis L, you are on this site because you were told to.

      • Brad

        Louis,

        Your on this site to try and brainwash us into believing the lefts proganda, hope and change and believe you me, your not the smartest person nor am I, atleast I take an objective view and make my decisions basing the pro’s and con’s. Right now Ohmama is a conman and he has you hook line and sinker.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Dave,

        I think you’re quite an intelligent guy. Who knows? We both could be mistaken!☼

    • Flashy

      Difficult to argue the job growth stats showing after the first few months reeling from Bush IIs million a month job losses. But these guys will.

      What they can’t escape are the facts. Mediun income for the Middle Class fell during Reagan and Bush II. It grew under Clinton, and has stayed even during Pres. Obama as he dealt with the worst recession since the 1929 Depression. What is impressive is that after taking the hit of almost 3 million jobs lost in his first few months as Republican economics were still in effect, this administration has now added a positive number. During a very severe recession.

      The TARP II bank bailout has been paid back and starting this month, TARP I bank bailout funds will show a profit on payback (interest payments).

      Dependency of oil imports is below 50% for the first time in decades. Refined petroleum products is one of the largest export sectors.

      Even as our largest trading partner outside of Canada, the EU, staggers under its economic mess, the trade deficit increased in January mainly due to higher oil prices.

      Basic fact. When president Obama came to office, he had two choices. The one option, pushed by the GOP, was the one which the EU adopted. Fiscal austerity. it’s been three years and Europe has teetered on the edge the entire time with the social discontent and mood now affecting the entire continent. You want to know where we’d be if we had followed the GOP mantra since 2008? Look at Europe.

      But then…all the positive data has been on Pres. Obama’s watch. So therefore it’s bad. Correct?

      • George E

        Flashy,

        This has been the most anemic recovery since the great depression. Job growth has been much slower than under past recoveries. Even so, I’d cut Obama some slack on this if I hadn’t observed his drive to push uneconomical “green” initiatives while shutting down or delaying much of our fossil fuels industry, not to mention even hampered farming in some parts of the country. So, it’s very obvious to me that Obama’s socialist policies are hurting economic growth while running up government debt. Any real job and economic growth we’ve gotten has been inspite of Obama, not because of Obama.

        And, as far as Obama’s super efforts to stimulate domestic drilling and production, that’s just spin. His departments have done much to slow down and discredit our fossil fuels production since he’s been in office. The production we’re getting now is production on private lands which the EPA hasn’t been able to stop yet, or from wells that were drilled before he became President. Some of us can see what’s really going on, so that “spin” won’t work here.

      • Flashy

        George…i believe “This has been the most anemic recovery since the great depression. Job growth has been much slower than under past recoveries.” is incorrect. The ’01 recovery and the ’83 recovery were slower and weaker.

      • DaveH

        Non-farm Employment in January 2009 — 133561000
        Non-farm Employment in January 2012 — 132821000
        That’s 740,000 fewer people employed now then when Obama took office.
        How much did Government spend to accomplish that wonderful feat?
        Federal Government Spending in 2008 — $2982 Billion
        Federal Government Spending in 2011 — $3603 Billion
        That’s $621 Billion more spending to give us 740,000 fewer jobs. What a deal!

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Flashy, I’ll cut Obama some slack here and say that he inherited a real mess. But, this economy is like a supertanker on the ocean under full steam and it’s one that takes time to respond to inputs and the things that Obama has done will take some time to manifest themselves. A supertanker can’t stop on a dime and it can’t turn hard ninety degree corners either so what’s happening in this economy now can not be attributed entirely to what Obama has done. Pumping trillions of worthless dollars into the economy will only harm it and not help it but the real effects of his stupid actions will manifest themselves in the next administration.

    • George E

      Louis,

      There are many who think the “medicine will prove to be worse than the illness” when all is said and done. That’s a debate which will go on for a long time. Nevertheless, if Obama would actually start to move toward a balanced budget, most folks would probably give him a pass on his budget busting spending for the past 3 years. The problem is he hasn’t, and doesn’t make any serious effort to move in that direction. He doesn’t even scold the Senate for not passing a budget for the past 3 years. This country is sliding into financial hell and Obama and the Democratic led Senate are leading us there instead of leading us out of this mess. So much for Obama’s masterful way of stopping the economic recession from free-falling. If this madness doesn’t stop soon, our economy will really fall into a deep recession/depression from all the debt our government has accumulated. Will we applaud Obama’s efforts then?

    • Doc Sarvis

      Correct assessment Louis Lemieux.

    • http://google rose

      What a laugh

  • Lillie

    Why don’t you all grow up if you paid the attention to the issues instead of all this BS going on and checking out the real facts and getting involved in whats happening to our country
    this would be a better place.
    Since you don’t really have any ideas you keeping going back to all this stuff.
    Nothing about the economy, jobs, healthcare, debt, just guns, women health,is all you talk about every election.
    You try and use God in everthing you do but God doesn’t represent or even approve of what you do.
    A lot of it is the actions of the devil.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Tell us why you are posting on this site since we don’t have your vision of Utopia?

      • Norm

        Nor do we have your views of utopia. Are you a US citizen by the way?

  • http://w11.zetaboards.com/WiolawaPressForum/forum/3076016/ paul kwiatkowski kasper

    Illegals have more rights…. Hmmmm I wonder why

    • eddie47d

      If that were true why don’t you become one.

  • wt

    You know there are two kinds of Republicans: The rich, fat cats who will do anything for a buck, fire employees right before retirement on trumped up charges or none; trash the environment to save on processing waste properly, trick customers, feess, small print, using robo telephone, transferring to oblivion (This is Peggy how I help you? Goodbye); running ponzi schemes; buying Congressional influence (Abscam0; robbing investors (Enron, Madoff); colluding and price fixing (oil companies);

    Second type: Red necks, especially the South who are the lap dogs for the above mentioned fat cats. Those who when the boss stops quickly their noses are broken. The ones who are happy with their trailer, guns, Condfederate or American flag, [pickup and their sister as a date, who are mesmerized with Fox News and the blonds on it shwing leg and breasts (that’s so if they cannot understand anything said they can at least look at the babes. Every opposition to a cheating CEO is called “godless commies” or “nazis” or “thugs.” Remember, Satan is attacking America. Gays are after you kids (but it is ok for Catholic priests to have sex with their kids) no uproar there. Oh, and anyone with a high school diploma and a smidgen of college is an elitist, pointy headed liberal. Who unlike Palin can read a newspaper.

    Happy lap dogs, happy to be insulted by the Tea Party darling, Palin as nothing more than Joe Sixpacks and Camel smokers. Talk about dumb lapdogs. Surely the world is flat and Rush Limbaugh knows more than the world’s scientists regarding weather patterns, given Rush may had a GED education.

    • Katey

      Your thinking is exactly what put this man in the taxpayer’s Whitehouse. Idiot!!! For the first time in 40 years of voting, I’m so afraid of what’s happening in my Country. However, now being a Republican Conservative (was a Democrap), I know I willI just love to drink dirty water; breath dirty air; look forward to living a Socialistic country; and watch my taxes go to lazy Obama patriots. Open your eyes for God’s sake. Use your brain for a change – unless it’s too late and it’s overly washed. And as for the Tea Party, how many of their events have you attended?? You might just learn something. Unless you a member of the SEIU or UAW. Then there is just no hope for you.

    • DaveH

      Are we still talking about the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax? I thought that horse was flogged to death long ago.
      Scientists? Sure, wt, whatever you say. For those who haven’t yet awakened to the Hoax:
      http://climatedepot.com/

  • wt

    1. You know there are two kinds of Republicans: The rich, fat cats who will do anything for a buck, fire employees right before retirement on trumped up charges or none; trash the environment to save on processing waste properly, trick customers, fees, small print, using robo telephone, transferring to oblivion (This is Peggy how I help you? Goodbye); running ponzi schemes; buying Congressional influence (Abscam0; robbing investors (Enron, Madoff); colluding and price fixing (oil companies);
    Second type: Red necks, especially the South who is the lap dogs for the above mentioned fat cats. Those who when the boss stops quickly their noses are broken. The ones who are happy with their trailer, guns, Confederate or American flag, [pickup and their sister as a date, who are mesmerized with Fox News and the blonds on it showing leg and breasts (that’s so if they cannot understand anything said they can at least look at the babes. Every opposition to a cheating CEO is called “godless commies” or “Nazis” or “thugs.” Remember, Satan is attacking America. Gays are after you kids (but it is ok for Catholic priests to have sex with their kids) no uproar there. Oh, and anyone with a high school diploma and a smidgen of college is an elitist, pointy headed liberal. Who unlike Palin can read a newspaper.
    Happy lap dogs, happy to be insulted by the Tea Party darling, Palin as nothing more than Joe Six-packs and Camel smokers. Talk about dumb lapdogs. Surely the world is flat and Rush Limbaugh knows more than the world’s scientists regarding weather patterns, given Rush may had a GED education.

    • guest

      How about including the democrats in your post they are just as bad if not worse

    • Brad

      wt,

      a repost of your propoganda doen’t make you look good…

    • DaveH

      You know, wt, there are two kinds of Liberals — Dumb and Dumber.

      If Liberal ideas were indeed correct, people would adopt them voluntarily without the Force of Big Government. But they aren’t, so the Liberal Leaders Force them on the rest of us.

      • MAP

        Great post DaveH! Dead on.

      • eddie47d

        Was Conservative slavery kept entrenched for centuries because they were so wise?Those Conservatives can get you to believe anything even when they own you.

      • Foss

        You believe that because your definition of liberal comes from the right wing pundits. You think you know what the word liberal means, but you have been misguided. The word liberal does not mean the same thing to me and millions of Americans as it means to you. Open your mind to other people’s point of view and you will find that are not so dumb. They probably agree with you on many issues, but lables like liberal and conservative have become a communication barrier.

    • Jeff

      Don’t forget that Rush had a chemistry set when he was 8, so he knew about chemistry long before these fancy scientists with their degrees and stuff. Plus, Rush takes the temperature of his ass, which encompasses a good portion of the Earth’s surface, daily and guess what? It’s not warming. That’s all the proof you need on AM radio.

    • George E

      wt,

      Your comments are disgusting. It’s nice to know that liberals like you would never cast insults to those you don’t agree with like those “rich, red-necked” Republicans” you refer to. Isn’t diversity a key liberal initiative? Doesn’t that include ideas as well as skin color? Sure, right up to the point where they don’t agree with your ideas or thoughts. Get a life…………

  • B. Holmes

    Obummer is conditioned to ignore or kill any opposition. He has gotten where is is by taking every advantage of his color. His voters are totally dense and do not try to defend his behavior. He loves luxury and extravagance so the power behind is providing that. How about George Soros? Read what about George Sosos’ character. Unbelievable! One of the most deeply evil men since Nero. We need God’s protection, so much.

    • wt

      Then elect a Mormon cultist. lol

  • Raggs

    Bob brought up a very good question…
    What will commie oblama do when the supreme court strikes down commie-care?
    I have wondered this myself and I for one do not put it past king oblama to declare martial law… It would fall into his corrupt hands to eliminate the constitution…..

    • wt

      What will you do when Republicans cut Medicare ? Your mom and dad, what will they do? I know, do like you get free healthcare by having no insurance or you paying 600 dollars a month for a high deductible policy which pays little.

      • Gary

        barrycare cut Medicare by $500 billion, dolt.

      • eddie47d

        The Republicans want cuts to government agencies including Medicare yet Gary slam Obama for cutting Medicare. What a circus!

      • DaveH

        Are you advocating the elimination of Medicare, wt?

      • George E

        wt,

        Republicans cut Medicare? Wasn’t it Obama and Congressional Democrats that cut $500 BILLION from the Medicare budget when they passed Obamacare? I’m sure Republicans were opposed to that cut. Other than that, when was the last time Medicare or any government budget actually got cut (when the amount of money budgeted for any year was actually less than the preceding year)? Republicans want to start “trimming” increases in these programs to get them under control. Otherwise, we’re going to lose them due to out-of-control spending. It seems that Democrats are willing to continue increasing spending on these programs until they just go away under their own weight. Which is kinder? I’ll take a managed approach.

    • Jeff

      Raggs:

      You’re absolutely right. In fact, I think you’re in real danger because you figured it out. Take evasive action immediately. Don’t even think about leaving your house as the black helicopters are now equipped with a special Obama ray that can detect true Americans like you and beam them aboard, never to be heard from again.

  • wt

    Illegals are here processing your hamburger, chciken McNuggets, whi are reall guts, gristle and bone ground up you give to your kids red necks.

    Illegals took your job because they work cheaper with no benefits.

    Illegals built your house, mowed your grass, built things for Fox News pundits. cheap

    Illegals cook food at all the Ruby Tuesdays you eat at.

    Illegals pick the berries, melons and corn you eat.

    Called instead of exporting labor, bring them here , fire the dumb Republican red necks and blame liberals.

    • michaeljbeglinjr

      I blame the businesses that are allowed to hire these people. Illegals should be shown to the border ASAP.

  • Patte B

    I am amazed how anyone could support the current administration…given the dismal economy, (jobs, or lack of,; inflation, poor housing market, gas prices) how do you suspend belief to prop up someone who is hell bent on taking away your rights? Look Obama is a product of his parents and his upbringing just as we all are and he thinks he knows best and has brought Chicago style politics to the WH. Many others have said it starting with Jefferson, a gov’t big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away.(I paraphrased) If socialism works how come Europe is worse off then this country? Do you even know how bad their healthcare is in Europe and Canada? Those that can afford it come to the states for procedures from these places…
    Washington is broke…we need to get rid of a whole bunch more that have been “serving” and take back our country form those who line their pockets at the expense of the tax payers No MORE CAREER POLITICIANS!!!

    • wt

      Healthcare in the USA is ranked 37th worldwide and Canada is fine and Eurpoe as well. American healthcare is the mist expensive and the worst outcomes. Google WHO and see for yourself Rush Jr.

      • DocVenture

        Oh, give me a break! WT, why is it that those living close to the American border in Canada CROSS THE BORDER, because they can actually see a doctor in America, when it takes 6 months minimum to see a doctor in Canada?? I suppose with your vast knowledge of the situation, you also know that Canadians are taxed approximately 60 cents on the dollar just for their socialized health! You ask anyone in a socialized medicine country, that KNOWS about our health care, and they’ll tell you, don’t do it! The only ones that think it’s great are those who know no other system. Get your facts right!

      • Flashy

        Hmmmm….I’ve heard that same tale about Canada’s health Care system repeated year and year. Yet, Canadians I speak with (and i speak with a few on occasion)… are not enamored with it, but still go back for major treatment and prefer it to our non-existent health care.

        If the Canadian system is so bad, why do they resist any attempts to do away with it?

      • DaveH
    • moonbeam

      While travel nursing I worked with nurses here from Canada. What they told me about the healthcare there made me cringe and thankful to God that I don’t live in Canada.

      They told me that no matter how severe your need, you go on a list and just….wait. Not good if you’ve got a plugged cardiac artery that needs attention like yesterday.

      There was a commercial on TV a few years ago. A woman from Canada told of her plight with a brain tumor and it would be 9 months (or something equally outrageous) before they would give her the life-saving surgery she needed. She told them “I will be dead by then” and came to the US to have the surgery done.

      The healthcare system they’ve got there will go into effect here if the Supreme Court doesn’t strike down the new healthcare law as unconstitutional. You and your doctor will no longer be deciding what the best course of treatment is. The “shadow people” will be deciding that for you.

      OH! BTW. Have you all seen this? Obama has “quietly” diverted $500 Million to IRS for Obamacare. Talk about casting your pearls before swine.

      http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/IRS-Obamacare-/2012/04/09/id/435243

  • http://www.soundclick.com/michellemeyer Michelle

    I believe Obama is a usurper of the greatest position in the highest Office of our Nation and also the most influential fraudster of modern times. We must unite and pray for our country for Gods Mercy and ask God to forgive each one of us as well as intercede for leaders of Truth Justice and Mercy to lead us and take their proper places in the next election for our great Republic of ours which is under assault!

    • wt

      God still loves Vegas honey. You see, you are content with gambling, sex and vice in Vegas and evidently God is too. It’s those sinners in New Orleans that God hates, You know the poor welfare folks. God is a whale at Vegas.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        perhaps God is hoping someone like you will help those folks in New Orleans – many tried but few have been successful – The Good Lord does indeed help those that help themselves – and He doesn’t mind if you break a sweat —-

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Which god are you refering to, wt? The god of this age?

  • http://comcast Lee Bird -Veteran USMC

    Ask yourself these questions !!!!!!!!!!! What did Obama do other than strip us of our rights while he is in office !!!!!! (NOTHING) Would you want a liar and non-citizen to continue to destroy and dictate every you do!!!!!! Is this (OBAMA ) the person you want to defend our country as Commander in Chief ??? WE WERE THE LAND OF THE FREE UNTIL OBAMA WAS ELECTED WITH HIS DICTATOR WAYS AND MUSLIM BELIEFS. HE IS DESTROYING EACH OF OUR LIVES AND SIBLINGS. WAKE UP AMERICANS AND CLEAN UP WASHINGTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Norm

      Bird-
      Lay off the Jack Daniels.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Are you in the room with him? So how is it you mention the drinking of Jack Daniels?

      • Jeff

        One great literature critic said he could detect a glass of sherry in a sentence. If that’s true, he could detect an entire brewery in Lee’s diatribe.

    • wt

      What rights did he strip you of there government employee?

      N0on citizen? You mean like Mexica Mit Romney the Mormon cultists who believes that Blacks are that shade because the Lord made them Black as a mark for lineage from Cain? Or Santorum who said that Satan is attacking America, who else? I dunno, maybe Sata is in Africa and China too. ya think there PTSD boy? Killed any babies in their cribs lately? Run any ponzi schemes, get drunk, DUI, assault poilice and then blame PTSD?

    • wt

      (offensive attack removed)

      • guest

        Where the hell is the modarator when you need him to throw out the trash

    • Maggiemoo

      Lee, No matter what Obama does to our country and our rights, some people will continue to support him till the end because he has a “d” next to his name.

      • wt

        (offensive personal attack removed)

    • Norm

      Nadzieja Batki
      Only a drunk would rant and rave like this!

  • Norm

    Monday, April 09, 2012 Updated 04:00 AM ET
    Gallup.
    Obama 49%, Romney 45% Among Registered Voters Nationwide
    PRINCETON, NJ — If asked to choose between them today, 49% of U.S. registered voters say they would vote for Barack Obama for president, while 45% would choose likely Republican opponent Mitt Romney. While Obama’s advantage is not statistically significant, it is the largest he has had over Romney in Gallup polling to date.

    OTHER POLLS:

    Rasmussen Tracking 4/4 – 4/6 1500 LV 47 44 Obama +3
    USA Today/Gallup 3/25 – 3/26 901 RV 49 45 Obama +4
    CNN/Opinion Research 3/24 – 3/25 925 RV 54 43 Obama +11
    McClatchy/Marist 3/20 – 3/22 846 RV 46 44 Obama +2
    PPP (D) 3/15 – 3/17 900 RV 48 44 Obama +4
    Reason-Rupe 3/10 – 3/20 1200 A 46 40 Obama +6
    FOX News 3/10 – 3/12 912 RV 46 42 Obama +4

    It’ll only get worse for Romney. He is a liar, flip-flopper and a fake.

    • Gary

      You say Romney is a liar, flip-flopper and a fake. And how would the fraud in the WH right now be any different from that save he is destroying the economy as well?

      • Norm

        Gary
        The economy was on life support before Obama was elected.

        How quickly some of us forget!

  • Gary

    Many Americans have now come to the realization that we truly are at war with our own president. He is a fraud. He is toxic to the future of America and we only have 6 months to convince enough American Idol worshippers that their country is on the brink of morphing into something they will not recognize and they will not like. He has ill intentions for us and will do most anything to stay in office.

    • Norm

      Gary
      Maybe if you and your teabagger friends would stop crying, turn off Rush and Sean, and work with the current ELECTED adminstration things would improve quicker.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So we should listen to you and hasten the destruction of this Constitutional Republic that much faster.

      • Norm

        Nadzieja Batki
        Do you have friends in Mossad to enforce your radical views?

      • George E

        Norm,

        Don’t you mean “surrender to” rather than “work with?” Sort of like the Democrats “worked with” George Bush, right?

        • Shirley

          Hopefully, when someone is leading the country astray ,irregardless of party, those who love America will try to stop the action! Labels are getting us nowhere. We need visionary statesmen who will THINK and then stand up for their convictions. They are our elected LEADERS.

      • George E

        Shirley,

        They’re leading us alright. Right into disaster! Yes, we do need “good” leaders, but we won’t get that until we have enough well informed and principled citizens to demand this of our leaders.

  • http://rr Eve

    OB is a misogynist. Doesn’t like to shake hands with women. Best they be slimed. His joke of an insurance (church) order does not help women at all.

  • jerry

    There are 2 political parties: the Socialist Democrats who want to screw us suddenly, and the Closet Socialist Republicans who want to screw us slowly. With the advent of electronic, non-ID voters, elections do not inspire confidence in their creditability. Who the heck is really in control?

    • wt

      Where did Madoff, Enron, Worldccom , Tyco, HealthSouth fit into your analysis?

  • CEO

    As CEO of my own life and household I issue an Excutive order that only information about myself I alone release will be made public.

    • wt

      That you Bernioe?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jturbine69 Jim Tobin

    Now I read all this.I’m appaulled and mad.Hes got to go .

  • http://sheenajetstar.wordpress.com sheena111

    Brilliant Article!!!
    Incredible and accurate insights into this Manchurian President’s reign.
    Powerful insight regarding the founding Father’s stating a Prez had to be a natural born citizen so he would be loyal to the constitution. I use to think the birther question was abit ” out there” but the more I learn about BHO, I believe it may be possible.
    Obama is starting to appear DIABOLICAL in demeanor, word and deed. Unfortunately, at this point, I wouldn’t put anything past this administration including silencing ” those that know” !!! God help us!!!!

    • Norm

      Sheena
      Read what you just wrote. It is totally nuts. Certainly you can see this.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You have not read Sheena111 posting, so what is it that you are replying to.
        Apparently, you were given a phrase to memorize and then use it in its’varied froms to dengirate opposition posters.

      • Norm

        Nadzieja Batki
        In fact I did read the posting and that is precisely what I have responded to. You obviously have problems with comprehending the English language.

      • http://google rose

        Your nuts

    • Sirian

      sheena111,
      Please go to this website and watch the video. It’s almost two hours long but well worth the time involved. It will probably give you much more info that you may not have pertaining to our supposed president.
      http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/new-sheriff-calls-for-roundup-of-obama-records/

  • Michael

    How long are we the American people going to put up with this thug, i mean there’s about 2o billion U.S. citizens verse’s him and his cronies as well as who ever is pulling his strings, i say the people refuse’s to recognize his illeagal actions and put someone in office who is not related to, nor connected to any past Presidents nor should the person or persons running should not be any wealthier than One -Hundred thousand dollars to thier name and at the same time limit the length of time Congress and Senator members spend in the White House,shortening their terms might cut down on dirty deeds done behind our backs, then form a task force who’s job is to oversee all the elected seats of power just to keep everyone honest and one last thought remains and that is the destruction of that sespool full of dictators none as the UNITED NATIONS ! …get rid of it, ..pronto !!

  • Power To The People

    Folks…has anyone noticed the country is bankrupt? So while some of you argue over which elephant did what to which ever donkey we are on the verge of a seismic financial tsunami!

    All of Washington needs to be cleansed of all the incumbents. Yes, Obummer too must go along with the terrorists that make up his administration.

  • Michael

    You rarely see a more paranoid and delusional slant on happenings that could easily be explained in ways that don’t involve the object of your hate being a vile, manipulative rat. We get it: you hate Obama so everything he does has to be evil.

    • Raggs

      Damm straight!

    • George E

      Michael,

      I don’t hate Obama. I hate what he’s doing to our country.

  • Joshua0853

    It’s potentially worse than that. Are we being set up for a time of racial tension not seen since the 60s and 70s? Are we being prepped for a MARTIAL LAW takeover by the Marxist-In-Chief?

    Am I just being paranoid? My gut says “NO, you’re being realistic!”

    A couple of things to consider that WILL happen under martial law:

    1. Elections are suspended
    2. The Supreme Court is no more
    3. Congress gets a permanent vacation
    4. Guns are outlawed

    Let’s see…hmmm…that leaves Obama as Dictator-In-Chief of the former United States of America.

    Just sayin!

    • Joshua0853

      Added: I sincerely hope I am wrong about this. However, one thing is certain: If it is to be, it WILL happen in the weeks or months just before the election. Such an unprecedented event WILL plunge this nation into civil war because many law-abiding citizens will NOT willingly hand their weapons over to a corrupt government…no way…no how!

    • Louis Lemieux

      Joshua, you remind me of the person one of my teachers told me to be wary of : the person who’s knowledge is only of one book. Try to broaden your mind looking for the truth in many different places! You will find it very rewarding.

      • Joshua0853

        Which “book” would that be Louis? Your comment is puzzling to me because I am fairly well-read and am not one to make outrageous statements for no reason. I would suggest that you broaden your information sources and pay closer attention to what’s happening around you and around this nation. It is becoming downright scary. Anyone incapable of seeing that worries me as well.

      • s c

        Comrade ‘L,’ IF having an open mind is important to someone like you, then something must have gone terribly wrong. Your “open-mindedness” resulted in the exact opposite. You went from ‘normal’ to a hardcore utopian. Other than someone who was born a retard, there is NO ONE on the face of the planet with a more closed “mind,” a willingness to be programmed by manipulating SOBs and an obsessive need to deny anything that smacks of the TRUTH than a utopian. You got what you wished for, comrade. Be gone, and take your false White House ‘God’ with you. You TRULY deserve each other.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Sorry Joshua! It’s just that It’s way impossible for me to be pessimistic like you are. The US is a rich country, 24% of World Gross Domestic Product and 5% of world population. I share Obama’s and the Democrat’s political ideology more than I do the Republican’s. It’s a matter of better justice for all. Obama wants the economic pie not only to grow, grow and grow but also stressing that the economic pie must benefit as many Americans as possible

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Which “book” would you be refering to that bothered your teacher so much?
        Books read by the posters are suggested for others to read.
        You are just making up lies with every word you tap out on your keyboard.

    • michaeljbeglinjr

      These are the exact same things said about Bush before he left office. There will be no martial law, and Obama will NEVER be dictator. If Obama tried any of that crap, it would start a civil war, with the military and police split right down the middle. It’s not going to happen.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Bob, Great article. Unfortunately it brought the crazies. It is a waste of time to read their left wing totalitarian rants. Isn’t there some way you could banish Flashy, Lois, wt, etc. so that we did not have to sort through their ignorant diatribes?

    • Louis Lemieux

      Sounds like a totalitarian’s wish to me!

      • http://google rose

        People that come to this site don’t want to hear from the likes of you. We want to hear news that speaks truth unlike the news that the liberal propaganda media puts out.

      • Louis Lemieux

        No one has the absolute truth but we all have an inkling as to where it is as we keep circling it in our minds. The more we try understanding those who cannot think the same way we do, the closer we get to the absolute truth. “Love thy neighbor as thyself“

    • Nadzieja Batki

      This site is a thorn in the side of the Leftists/Socialists/Progressives. For sure they did not find the site by themselves so they had to have handlers directing them here.

      • Karolyn

        Conspiracies to the left of me; conspiracies to the right of me….. There are a number of ways to find this site. I found it through the alternative medicine department. Usually sites are found via regular searches. Do you REALLY think this site has that much importance out of thousands of sites?

        • http://lenmilleresq.wordpress.com lenmilleresq

          The answer is NO. However, I think it important that the people who are so misinformed by nonsense— such as that which appears in the articles that seem to always be on this site, know that there are people who will counteract the ridiculoous and irrelevant rants and who will try to provide facts.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Karolyn,

          We are 8th most visited libertarian site on the web, based on Alexa worldwide traffic rankings. http://deathby1000papercuts.com/dbkpreport/2011/07/libertarian-top-50-sites-june-july-2011/

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • angelwannabe

        Karolyn, “Do you REALLY think this site has that much importance out of thousands of sites?

        Yes, Yes this site is important!__Where do you think, reporters, investigators and bloggers get opinions from, from the people that post here and many other blogs they post on.

        Bob is particulaly well known because of his news letter.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        karolyn – apparently you are quite naive about the Internet and site rankings and that has nothing to do with conspiracy theories.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Karolyn says: Do you REALLY think this site has that much importance out of thousands of sites?

        You’re here, aren’t you Karolyn? And you’re here on a consistant basis. In fact, you hang
        around here like a freaking spider. Obviously, this site is very important to you, and your
        band of misfits and miscreants! LOL!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Well, there goes the format.

    • RichE

      That’s funny. You want to ban someone from a personal liberty site.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You posted.

        • RichE

          Nadzieja, I think you’re contributing to the, “ignorant diatribes”.

      • Doc Sarvis

        RichE, funny yes and not unusual for this site I’m afraid.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Doc this isn’t a left site where varying opinion is not allowed – you’re on here and posting. The only things I’ve seen removed are obscene language and serious and continued personal attacks against posters or writers that had nothing to do with any issues – what’s your problem? Your posts are here and not denied, I’m afraid you are creating an issue where one doesn’t exist in order to incite others.

      • Doc Sarvis

        You might want to direct your comments to those wanting to banish others from the site. See Capitalist at Birth post above (from April 9, 2012 at 8:53 am).

        • RichE

          Doc,
          The thread indentation is stretched. My comment was directed at Capitalist at Birth.

      • Doc Sarvis

        My post above is for LibertyTrain.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        You are right Doc, Flashy asked that several posters be banned last week, as did several other lefters that didn’t agree with some of the right last week – but that wasn’t the point of my comment.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Hush your mouth, CaB. I wouldn’t dream of banashing the lost souls you speak of. After all, by what comparison would we then be able to discern the truth, if not in the presence of their lies? On the contrary, let them stay, as they most certainly provide a valuable service.

  • GALT

    “For every subtle and complicated question there is a perfectly simple and straightforward answer which is WRONG!” H.L. Mencken

    Mr. Livingston: That is certainly an ironic way to begin the week. Poor ole Bill Clinton being threatened……considering his history? And with Hillary as Secretary of State? We shall have to see if this story gets any traction………

    Having thrown this little crumb to the masses here, one can only wonder what the resulting
    discussion will consist of………..but you do make ONE substantive point, and again, ironically…..using Hamilton, a federalist…..to correctly state the proper understanding of
    “judicial review”, as the power to overturn “unconstitutional laws”…….along with the other
    complementary power and/or duty to “apply” the constitution ( not interpret it ) to controversies which properly fall within it’s jurisdiction.

    I submit to you sir, that the present “government” is NOT operating under anything resembling the “constitution” as you have outlined here……..so that while you actually identify the point of transition, with FDR v. the supreme court, the alteration that occurred,
    took place with the court being complicit in the transformation.

    In 1939, U.S. Law was reorganized or codified into Titles and began to operate under
    what was referred to as “statutory jurisdiction”…….you will note that this “jurisdiction”
    does not appear anywhere in the constitution, and all judges were instructed to, if asked,
    to give this answer. The transformation took some time to complete on the federal level, and to successfully transfer it to the states via the Uniform Commercial Code, which has been adopted by all fifty states, in it’s entirety, except LA….which did not, but the key provisions were……….so the effect was the same.

    One can read the constitution and find many things to question regarding what it seems to
    state clearly and yet it is also clear that apparently it doesn’t seem to matter…….because
    if your understanding is correct, overturning all these things that are clearly unconstitutional, would have been accomplished by now…….but this not happened,
    although attempts have been made.

    The word “unconstitutional” has been rendered meaningless, since it does not reflect the reality……and it can be used by anyone for whom it is convenient, to incite….but it has no purpose beyond that, since it is not true. The effect is to distract and diffuse the energy
    and focus that is required to restore what has been lost……..or taken.

    So the question, for those who claim that certain things are “unconstitutional” and cite evidence to attempt to support that claim……..is How is this possible?

    It did not require amending the constitution to do what has been done, so obviously, it will not require any such action to undue it. It will require knowledge……if one clearly wants a return to pre-1939, constitutional government……that is the only solution.

    As someone once said, “If you ain’t part of the solution, then………………..”

    Cui bono?

  • MJ

    Lots of comments from trolls today!

    • Raggs

      Yeah no kidding… They all have came out today to defend their god oblama.

  • Seralynn

    I am absolutely amazed at how people, after three years of joblessness, rampant inflation, high gas prices, outrageous food costs, can STILL back Mr. Obama!! I call him Mr. Obama because he is NOT my President.

    To continue to blame Bush for what is going on now in the country is simply ludicrous. For one thing, if you want to start “blaming”, you had better go back about 70 years and do some research and read some history (if it hasn’t already been rewritten) on why and how our country is in the mess it is in right now. To add insult to injury, you’re conveniently forgetting that Bush had very little, if any way to get budgets and laws passed during the latter part of his second term because…congress was a democratic majority!! So, in essence, you SHOULD be blaming your democratic congress for not getting things done.

    Until we get a congress that 1) are not career politicians and 2) has to be a part of America’s healthcare and social security (like the rest of us) and 3) held accountable for not having a budget and sticking to it; only THEN will budgets be balanced, social security fixed and reasonable healthcare be available. Until thin, we will be making the same arguments over and over and over again.

    • Joshua0853

      I’m with you Seralynn. I refer to him as, “Resident Obama”!

      Your other points are spot on. A history lesson would do us all some good (true history–not the revisionist crap espoused by the Left today).

      Keep at it!

    • Jeff

      I believe it has been empirically proven by Chairman Rush that all good things that ever happen can be traced to a Republican Administration, while all the bad is the fault of the Democrats. For example, all the bad stuff that happened while Honorable W was in office was Clinton’s fault (except the stock market tanking in late 2008 – that was Obama’s fault). Meanwhile, the good stuff under Obama, like the economy not going over the cliff, the auto industry coming back, the stock market over 13,000 – well, that’s because of Reagan! Just look at the performance of the stock market over the past 100 years or so under democrats vs. republicans. Under democrats, it has performed approximately 10 times better. I guess those Trotskyites know something about economics. For you Republicans in Rio Linda, Trotsky was Lenin’s right hand man. Lenin? He’s the one who prepared the way for Obama, at least that’s the way they report it on Fox.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001244215590 Stephen Morris

    BO, a thug? With friends like Axelrod, Ayers, Dorn, the “Reverand” Wright, Van Jones, and all the union bosses – how could that be?

  • Joseph

    Obama’s abortion record as POTUS:

    http://www.lifenews.com/2010/11/07/obamaabortionrecord/

    Just so you know…

  • Norm

    Obama is an intelligent, well educated man who has overcome race and poverty to reach the presidency. Contrary to all the lies and nonsense shoveled his way, he has a slightly left of center political stance and is willing to compromise on just about any issue.
    Obamacare is far from perfect but given the Republican obstructionism, It’s lucky to have done as well as it has.
    Is the economy in trouble – you bet.
    The right wing nut response:
    More military spending and more imperialism.
    Tax CUTS for the wealthiest with the fantasy that they will save America. Even Jefferson knew better than that.
    Privatizing Social security a plan paid for by the poor and people making less than ~100k. This is a program 2 trillion in the black whose assets were stolen to pay for government waste.

    • Raggs

      Norm.. Just who the hell do you expect to believe that horse-crap?

    • angelwannabe

      Norm, ya musta have had one too many beers at “Cheers” there Normy_-I do however agree with you on one thing, Obama is intelligent, he knows EXACTLY what he’s doing, destroying what’ left of America!

    • jorind

      Yes norm, and it was a Democrat that “stole” the S.S. fund and put it into the General Fund. Does the name LBJ ring a bell with you?

      • Norm

        jorind
        You are correct it was LBj and every other president (and congress) following, including Republicans ans Dems. It was Bush Jr. and now Ryan who want to privatize and destroy it.

      • George E

        Norm,

        Doing nothing will destroy Social Security because cash-out is growing too fast. Republicans are trying to find ways of saving it without scraping it like the Democrats are apparently willing to do.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Good post Norm, though I would place President Obama a bit more in the center.

      • George E

        Center of what? The Communist Party?

  • guest

    raggs it is not horse crap why don’t you get an education

  • Jim

    Isn’t it ironic, the Teachers and the SEIU are the first to jump on the Stop the Bullying campaign, but they are the largest supporters of the THUGS in the Democraic Party. They’re nothing but a bunch of HYPOCRITES. This bunch of babies will try to recall anybody who makes them pay their fair share. I have lost complete respect for the teachers. I know there are a few good ones out there who think it is fair to pay for some of their benifits.

  • http://Yhoo The truth hurts

    Raggs, anyone with a brain knows that Norm is right. Bush had 6 years of a republican controlled congress and they were more liberal with spending than the most liberal democrats. I switched from a Rep to an Ind. I can think for myself and Fox news can’t slant the truth to me, but you so called conservatives are ignorant of the facts.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Except you are not doing any thinking for yourself. You did not find this site accidentally, so it simply means you were directed to it.
      Truth also does not hurt.

      • Norm

        Unfortunately, truth like beauty, is often in the eye of the beholder. The farther right and left one goes on the political spectrum, the more twisted truth often becomes.

      • angelwannabe

        Wrong Norm, the Dangerous Politicians are the ones who paint themselves as moderates.

  • rkz777

    Very well put together, obviously constructed with an overwhelmingly true history of events. How long will this criminal pestilence continue, how long will our people allow this fraudulent thug and his comrades to carry on as free as they do everyday! The time is rapidly approaching, and I’m so glad that there are more good people and TRUE AMERICANS than these maggots, THANK THE LORD – JESUS CHRIST!

  • Louis Lemieux

    Being a liberal, conservative, Muslim, Jew or Christian has nothing to do with being a good or bad American. We all have our reasons for thinking what were thinking and for being what we are. Why then support violence through words or actions? All of us humans on earth form one great family and that in spite of all our religious, political and ideological differences. No doubt we have to protect ourselves from those who’s purpose in life is to harm others, but happiness is peace and peace is love and kindness to all.

    • Daveh234

      Not on this site. If you don’t agree with this group you are the un-American scum. No forgiveness for not believing their opinions as unfounded as most of them are. Naysayers are considered the ones with blinders on and heads either in the sand or up someones behind.
      No argument for the ignorant.

      • angelwannabe

        Your welcomed to join the discussion or leave._Fairly simple.

        We believe in freedom here, not oppression. We believe in our right to govern ourselves with in the law, and demand a return to our Constitutional Republic. If your against this, your , yes, un-american!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Yet you are here on this post. No one prevents you from posting.
        Following your name, you have several postings.
        So why are you lying?

      • Daveh234

        What am I lying about. The majority of people here start flailing at the people who disagree with their every word. That’s all I said.
        None of you are judge/jury.
        Yes I posted a few times, gee, thanks. Grand poobah.

      • angelwannabe

        NB__He’s lying because he nothing else to offer.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Typical liberal, always playing the victim, while begging to be kicked in the balls. Could you be anymore pathetic, Dave?

  • http://none Beckah

    You know, I wonder why the Supreme Court hasn’t decided to curtail the President himself over all his forceful ignoring of anything that comes across his desk that he personally doesn’t like. Not to mention for his denigrating the US all over the world. Someone should sue him and see what happens. Anyone got the money? And what about lying? Is that allowed? Lying to the citizens of the US by a President? I can’t believe even the most dedicated of non-office-holding Democrats have been swallowing this!!

  • Dens

    Barry Soetoro, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Marion Barry. These people have defined what many in black leadership positions have to offer. Blatant racism, thievery on a massive scale, drug abuse, cheating on taxes, ignoring the law, breaking the law and now according to this report, even murder.

    These are the things they and their enablers seem to “represent” in government and “bring to the table” as they say. The table of course being stacked full of our tax money and Lord help anyone who gets in the way. Even Hillary or the Supreme Court.

    South Africa eat your heart out, here we come.

  • angelwannabe

    Bob, Excellant Article!__and right on time, I see it brought out the all the usual defenders and sheep, to protect the good name of they’re fearless leader Obama, CEO of the US Corporation.

    Aside from the usual right/left rants which is getting old, the reality is, we’re faced with a bottom line between good and evil, and we’re down to choosing sides. If folks don’t know where they stand by now, it will be choosen for them.

    -You’ve out lined this Chicago Style Thugery so well Bob, there isn’t anymore I can add.

  • Dave

    A couple of comments. The acts like the Patriot Act and the NDAA act conflict with the highest law in the land, the Constitution and Bill of Rights. As I understand law you can not pass a law that trumps or usurps the supreme law of the land. So these new constitution shredding acts are unconstitutional and illegal. So why are they not being challenged, or are they? I just hope this all comes out in the upcoming debates including Obama’s forgeries and false documents including his drivers license. Who is this guy and where did he come from??? I think we all know.

  • Dave

    We are clearly no longer a government of the people but rather a government of government, by government and for government. When will the people figure out that Ron Paul is right and we have to stop this now before it is too late and our country looks like Syria today tearing its self apart and putting refugees in camps that get shot at.

    There will be a point when the system breaks down and some the government is working hard to that end.

    • http://google rose

      Because most people are asleep in this country. They can’t think for theirselves and they want others to think for them. They are incapable to think for theirselves because they were dumbied down by the public school system. They eat brain fogging food and most are on some kind of pill, because their doctor has told them they are depressed, furthering the numbing of their brains.

      • Bluebluesdancer

        I agree that there is much corruption in the government, but I strongly disagree regarding your comment that sems to indicate Ron Paul would be the ideal solution!
        He would dismantle The Fed… which is a good idea. He would get us out of the war that we are involved-in… another good idea. But other than that he would completely dismantle government so that the roads would crumble, only those with enough money woul be able to send their kids to school, There would be no minimum wage, so outsourcing our jobs to Chna would become rampant, No child labor laws to protect children, there would be no-one trustworthy to make sure that companies are not poisoning you, there would be no Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid…
        Ron Paul represents the Dark Ages before we achieved all of our hard-won goals for a better life in the United States of America. How disgusting that some people think that the very things that so many people, over the past 250 years, have fought and died-for, are suddenly ‘wrong’, and of no value!
        If you don’t like the Constitution and the fact that it was written to PROTECT the citizenry, then perhaps you should move to Chile, since that is the perfect example of just how well the ‘proposed Republican/Tea Party system’ actually works.
        http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-chichile.htm

  • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniel

    Here is one for the flashies , rob and a no. of them .. A friend was in Home Depot getting some paint mixed when the commie Obummer was brought up,,, The one mixing the paint said he was voting for Obummer….This nut job wasnt a kid any more either,… He said he couldnt wait till we were turned to communist govt. Those ultra rich will then have to be on the same level as the rest of us , broke. What is the sewer pipe they suck from. That is the mentality that leads that group of bottom feeders. Who do they think would be thier next big savior,in chief. If people that had the go power to make money just moved on to another place taking thier money with them, and let these zero class of non producers fend for them selves I would say go for it. These are the scumbags that want to see our country go down, and are so stupid and blind to think they are getting even with them for having money I will shop elsewhere from now on….. Of course that idiot was just an employee but left a bad impression.

    • Daveh234

      What color whitewash were you buying? Like some solitary person has an opinion, his right and yours, too. But he’s a bottom feeding scum?
      He’s working and contributing. Is he required to jack-step behind you through the checkout , too?

      • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniel

        If you think that scum bag is acceptable for his wanting to see our country go commie and help by voting for it,, he and you both deserve what you get. .. The American people donot deserve that crap and I still hate commies as I did when I was hired to kill off as many as we could at that time. I got a whole 75.00 amonth to start with and worked my way up to 128.00 a mo. but you can bet your sorry a$$ I would do it now for free. Dont try to lecture someone on that crap there dumbo..!!!

      • http://google rose

        Yeah like Lyle said

    • Bluebluesdancer

      They probably saw your “Bush” sticker on your car and were jerking your chain!!! Get real! Your claim is totally ridiculous and you made it up! There are no Democrats that want Communism. Communism is not a demcratic principle. The closest party to having Communist ideals would be any party that promotes Corporatism, which takes away the rights of regular people. In other words, Republicans.

  • 45caliber

    Considering that over fifty people died at times that helped Bill Clinton, perhaps Oblama is simply taking a page from his superior’s book…

  • uvuvuv

    i voted for mccain reluctantly, and was secretly glad obama won (thinking back to the clinton years). i was looking for a job unsuccessfully at the time, fall 08, but have to admit i wasn’t going full bore at it. in the fall of 08 the s&p was running at 1100 or so, it was unthinkable it had fallen that far from over 1500 in the fall of 07. also house prices had dropped 10%, again unthinkable. and let’s just say for talking purposes that the u/e rate was 7% in nov 08. i would look it up… okay hold on while i do that. aha, 6.8%. and gas was, or would shortly be, less than $2 a gallon. also my ira was paying 3.5%. the economy was so “bad” then that the new president launched this stimulus, that divvied up 878 billion dollars, that did not give each household $10,000 as it could havem but instead gave us a u/e rate that held at 10% for two years. it is now dropping incrementally, but house prices are still down 30% with more uncertainty on the horizon. but that’s okay, if you’re locked up indefinitely without charges (now the law of the land) you won’t be worrying about that your house is worth. and you will be fed!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Would you like violins playing a dirge in the background because your story is totally a lie?

      • Daveh234

        NB…what is his lie? I fail to see it. He seems to be stating conditions pretty much accurately. Did I read it wrong?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Since you are not partial to the word “lie”. I will subsititute. The post is fiction.

    • eddie47d

      Still waiting Nadzieja for where is the lie? At least tell us why you feel that way instead of simplistic accusations.

    • Karolyn

      The great Nadzieja has spoken! She knows all just from reading what a person writes. Isn’t that special?

  • Kim Sturdevant

    Obamacare is illegal — in order for the President to sign a bill into law it must be agreed upon by both the House and Senate. This did not happen, one rewronte it then the other rewrote it and they were going back and forth in an endless debate of what to put into the bill when Obama snatched it from one group and signed it into law before the other group could agree to the changes that had been made MAKING IT ILLEGAL AND HIM A DICTATOR.

  • Chuck De Vore

    I won’t take sides. If you use all the economic facts and figures and use some common logic and thought you can see the nation’s economy is not in good shape. Our grandchildren will pay the debt until their grandchildren are old and gray. Our industrial base is now far to the west, China, India etc and our energy dependence is a fact. The Obama administration is an econmic accident happening. All the other stuff above is not necessary for his election lose in Nov of 2012 just look at the economic facts, see all the sides, none look good and get him OUT OF OFFICE on Jan 20 2013. CD

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001239442498 Stan Hathcock

    Roger, I agree that it is most troubling and frightening. Leads me to wonder, if there is creditable evidence that this man is not a legitimate president and is holding the office illegally, why wouldn’t the MSM want to do something about it. I understand that the big media stations are probably controlled by people with a socialist agenda, but I find it hard to believe that with so many big names in the MSNBC’s of the world that there aren’t some honest, good American patriots in that group. I understand that the network can keep them from possibly airing conflicting opinions, but some of these people have very big names and could easily get a bully pulpit to scream from. I don’t know if the contrarians are being threatened in some way by the networks or possibly by the administration ie BHO, but even if that is true, there have always been brave reporters that will risk “life and limb” to report the truth. If we have none of these types of people in the media, then we are truly in deep S**T. Just wondering what others thoughts are on this.

  • Kim Sturdevant

    The only reason Obama was elected in the first place is because no one wanted to be called a racists — there I said it — someone had to — he got the undecided votes because he is black and no one wanted to be called a racists.

    • Karolyn

      BS! He got elected because the majority of the people couldn’t stomach voting for McCain! Votes are anonymous, and no one has to reveal who they voted for anyway.

      • George E

        Karolyn,

        I think that is partly correct. Another reason which I think really mattered, however, was that the economy tanked about 1 month before the election. That always swings independent voters who really decide most of our elections. Up until that time, McCain polled well against Obama. Those of us on the political right and left convince ourselves that elections are won on the basis of conservative or liberal ideologies, but that’s not really the case with independents who don’t care about political ideologies as much as they do about their pocketbooks and day-to-day lives.

        • Shirley

          The independents have it correct…don’t they? All this other rhetoric is as someone said “just screaming into a hurricane” or like “spitting in the wind”.

          • George E

            Shirley,

            I can understand why independents try to ignore political discussions of the day because these discussions are often ugly and uncomfortable. Frankly, as a conservative I don’t like the name calling and denigration of each other either. On the other hand, I’m real worried about the direction liberalism is taking our country. We’re losing our historic identity and values and moving into a financial mess that will thrust our country into or very near anarchy before it’s over. And we won’t get out of this until a clear majority of its citizens come to the realization that what we’re doing, and where we’re going is wrong. That’s a battle that the progressives seem to be winning at present. They’ve been working at this for decades and have captured many of our cultural centers (schools, media, entertainment, some courts, most of our big city governments, and many religious centers), and have learned how to frame (spin) political issues to their benefit much better than conservatives have. In other words, progressives have a professional organization working for them utilizing long-term objectives and strategies where conservatives have part-time volunteers who are often motivated by one or two issues of the day. The future doesn’t look too bright for this country, in my opinion. That’s why I think independents should get informed and get involved, trying to sort through all of the political spin, and basing their opinions on values handed down to us by our forefathers and mothers.

          • Deerinwater

            “They’ve been working at this for decades and have captured many of our cultural centers (schools, media, entertainment, some courts, most of our big city governments, and many religious centers), and have learned how to frame (spin) political issues to their benefit much better than conservatives have. In other words, progressives have a professional organization working for them utilizing long-term objectives and strategies where conservatives have part-time volunteers who are often motivated by one or two issues of the day. ”

            The core of your posting George. Interesting viewpoint.

            I’ve heard this claim repeated rather often here. I suppose some of Ron Pauls writing and books are largely responsible for this viewpoint and like any view point has data and trends to support it on various levels. Paul’s writing coupled with the like of the great narcissistic atheist Ayn Rand is quit a powerful one, two, heart and head punch to the very fabric of a society that like to think of it’s self as a “free” society.

            Don’t you wish that we could all be children once again, free to climb trees or just have fun playing in the creek, catching crawdads, frogs, bugs and chasing butterfly’s?

            The more that you know about life the more complex it becomes it seems. What was so simple and clear yesterday, cloudy and confused today.

            We were never “free” George, it was only an illusion, an illusion only a child can afford. While we find that knowledge makes this illusion disappear, much like Santa and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

            You don’t really want to be free George, you have to much to lose to be “free”, The price is too high, you can’t afford anything but the illusions of childhood.

            It’s time to grow up and realize none of us is really that important and we need each other, that we are only a small part of a whole. This is realistic progressive thinking.

            A old man goes a lone highway, came at evening dark and grey, to a chasm vast wide and steep with waters rolling cold and deep.

            The old man crossed in the twilight dim, the swollen stream offer no fear to him but he turned when safe on the other side and built a bridge to span the tide.

            “Old man”, said a fellow pilgrim near, “You waste your strength with building here, ~ for your journey will end this ending day, you will never again past this way.”

            The builder lifted his old gray head, “In the path I have come” he said, “a fair hairy youth must past the way.” “The chasm that was a naught to me, to this fair haired youth but a pitfall be.”

            “He too must cross in the twilight dim,~~ Good friend, I’m building these bridge for him”

            Author Unknown

          • George E

            Deerinwater,

            Thanks for the great response. I really appreciate your time and thoughts. I definitely share your desire for a simpler life style. Sounds like you might have grown up near me and share many of the same values I hold dear. As a conservative I don’t really believe we can have total freedom anymore than, as a progressive, you probably don’t believe equality means everyone should get the exactly the same outcome. Everything is relative. I believe we need communities, government, laws, and some regulations to define our society in which to live by. These are fundamental to civil society. However, much like our forefathers, I believe government and politicians will assume as much authority as we are willing to give them. Eventually, this power can (and probably will if unabated or unchecked) become overpowering. That is, we’ll become servants to the government instead of the government serving its citizens. After more than 200 years, I believe this is exactly what we’re facing today. I think our businesses and even individuals are being constrained from achieving their best under the weight of government regulations today. So if we simplified and reduced many of these regulations and tax burden, I believe we’re more apt to stimulate businesses and individuals to produce more and achieve better results for our society. Regarding equality, I just want everyone to be treated equally under our laws, and have opportunities to improve their lot in life if they are willing to work hard to achieve it. I don’t want our government taking property from one citizen to give to another citizen, except in unusual circumstances. It’s my belief that people don’t perform to their ability if they aren’t required to fend for themselves. Of course, I also believe we should help those that can’t help themselves or just need a temporary helping hand, but none of this permanent hand-outs because that encourages laziness and low productivity. Regarding businesses, we do have too much corruption in business today. However, if you notice, a whole lot of this corruption is often induced by some action of the government, like the way government let’s contracts and grants, and lack of oversight to make sure contractors perform properly. Also, the way government writes legislation that favors one industry over another encourages corruption. Underlying it all of course is the money our government hands out to businesses, organizations (including unions), countries, and others. If they had less money, corruption would be reduced as well, I feel sure. So we do need government, but we need government that works for us instead of the other way around. That means small and as efficient as it can be made to be. We’ve got a lot of backing up to do to get there, in my opinion.

          • Shirley

            George,
            Small government? Please explain why the Republicans are PUSHING laws that intrude on the most intimate female health care with laws that prohibit abortions no matter the circumstances? That do not want regulations that allow a female employee to have health coverage for hormone therapy? Striking down equal pay for women who do equal work as men? These, to me, are examples of Big Brother Government. Why can’t we have a National Health Care system? Taiwan has an outstanding program. Taiwan!! Under Conservative leaders the quality of life for our middle-class citizens has diminished. The ultra rich are doing great. This has NOT been done by the Democrats nor the Progressives nor the Liberals; it has been done by the Republicans. The R’s seem to want to pick and choose when Government lets them do what they want and to stomp on the rights of those they hold in disdain. Now, really. who better defines THUGS?

          • George E

            Shirley,

            I can’t speak for the Republican Party or even other Republicans, but I will try to explain my thinking.

            Since I’m not a woman, I admit to probably not being as sensitive to some of these issues as you and other women are. However, I do live with my wife (for 43 years) and have a daughter who is now 40 years old and is a Registered Nurse working in L&D and Women’s Services, so I feel like I have a pretty good window into some of these issues for a man.

            I’m not aware that the Republican Party is doing anything to infringe on women’s rights or limit their opportunities in business or in this society. I have heard Democrats make claims like this, especially during election years, so I feel pretty sure most of these claims are pure propaganda to try to win women’s votes. Logic alone tells me that claims like this are probably false. Republicans want to get elected to office just like Democrats. Women are voters, and make up more than half of our population, so why in the world would either political party engage in a “war on women?” That would be crazy. Both parties want the women’s vote and do whatever they can to win that vote. Democrats do have a practice of proposing social programs which are very expensive (and may cross moral boundaries for many) which the nation simply can’t afford, and/or which are objectionable to a large portion of our society. Then when Republicans point out the problems with these programs, Democrats claim Republicans want to “cut” the budget which would hurt the poor and minorities. This is propaganda, pure and simple. The budget never gets cut, year-to-year. Spending always goes up, and this reckless spending is bankrupting our country. In the end, we’re going to lose most of these entitlements because our politicians refuse to trim them back and put reasonable controls on them. Also, have you thought how catchy the term “war on women” is? Sounds like a slogan you’d hear from a professional marketing firm. Doesn’t it? Well, it does because it is. Democrats and their backers (ie, George Soros) are very good at this sort of thing now. They have lots of money and they have recruited some of the best marketeers to help them get their “message” out. They can take the worst idea in the world and make you think it is the best. Slick marketing and political propaganda is all it is. Be cautious. You are being manipulated for their purposes.

            Republicans, especially conservative Republicans, would rather the government not get too involved in our healthcare system. When they do, they get between you and your healthcare provider. It’s bad enough having to put up with insurance companies, but the government is worse in our opinion. We don’t like working with insurance companies because our insurance is negotiated by our companies rather than ourselves, so insurance companies see our companies as the customer, not us. And, unfortunately, our companies don’t stay involved to insure we are getting quality service after they have selected the insurance company and negotiated the terms fo the plan. So, insurance companies aren’t held accountable by the people utilizing the insurance. Further, government limits which companies can offer these policies and put requirements on them that makes this a difficult business for competitors to get into. This basically means there is little competition, and you’re not seen as the customer even though you’re the one paying the bill. This can, and should, be changed, and if it were done, would/should reduce the cost of healthcare insurance, unlike what’s going to happen under Obamacare. Regarding a national healthcare system, we have one. It’s called Medicare and Medicaid. We can’t afford to give everyone, free of charge, all of the healthcare that they might want. It’s simply too expensive. We can’t afford the programs we already have. However, something does need to be done to reduce healthcare costs, but more government control isn’t going to help do this.

            I don’t want to debate whether we should be funding abortions with public funds or not, but I will tell you how I feel about it. Abortion is legal, so that’s a fact. I don’t like it, but it is legal. I have a problem with it from a moral point of view. Here’s how I see it. An unborn child can live, most of the time, outside the womb if born premature after about 20 weeks. So I don’t see an unborn child of 20 weeks or more as a fetus. I see it as a child, just like I would after it is born. So, if we give the mother the right to abort a baby after 20 weeks, why wouldn’t we give the same mother the right to “abort” her child before it’s 18 years old? After all, she’s still responsible for the child’s livelihood and sustainance, as she is before the child is born. I think it’s odd that Democrats brag about looking out for the “least among us”, meaning those who can’t help themselves without our assistance. I see unborn children as the “least among us” more than any other group of people in our society. This is why I’m personally uncomfortable with our abortion laws. By the way, both my wife, and especially my daughter, agree with me on this. My daughter has see doctors abort full term healthy babies just before they would have been born. This is often done by irresponsible mothers who do it as birth control. I don’t think our society should support this practice. It’s totally immoral, even if it is legal…………

            Just as a suggestion. Look at this site: http://www.nfrw.org/republicans/women/index.html. There are a lot of women who vote for Republican and conservative causes. Do you think they’re uninformed or worse? I know many of them, and they come from all walks of life, and most are very informed and well educated. So when you hear Democrats telling you that Republicans are waging a war on women, please be leary that they are simply trying to sway your vote. There may not be as much substance in their claim as there is marketing propaganda.

            Have a nice day.

          • Shirley

            In 1973 the U, S. Supreme Court in the case of Roe v. Wade ruled that a woman, in consultation with her physician, has a constitutionally protected right to chose abortion in the early stages of pregnancy.
            In 2011, 90 anti-abortion laws were passed by Republican-controlled state legislatures.
            In 2012, Georgia, Nebraska, Indiana, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma, Alabama and New Hampshire passed laws that restrict abortions after 20 weeks.Arizona has considered or passed similar laws this year, In Georgia this bill is referred to as the ‘fetal pain restriction bill’ or the ‘women as livestock’ bill ;depending on whether your thinking is pro-choice or pro-life and remarks made by a GA State Senator. Pennsylvania has been ready to pass ,what has been described as the “most restrictive abortion law of 2012. Virginia almost passed a law that required that a woman seeking an abortion must be submitted to a body intrusive ultra-sound. There was a national outcry about this bill in Virginia, so much so that the Governor changed that requirement. These bills were all passed by majority Republican-controlled legislatures. The claim is that a fetus feels pain at 20 weeks. Scientists say this is not based on neurological evidence, Anyway, I think that these decisions should not be made by politicians but by the woman, her spouse and her doctor. I consider this government interference with a woman’s Constitutional rights. This is not “getting Government out of our lives”. So, I agree that it is a ‘war on women’. not a ‘war on caterpillars’ as the RNC compared it to.and said that he would “double-down” on his statement.
            All of the above strategy is straight from Carl Rove who advises that when caught doing something, immediately turn the tables and accuse your opponents of doing ‘whatever’ and the inattentive American public who has a short attention span will switch the blame to your opponents. Dirty tricks? Thuggery?

          • George E

            Shirley,

            Thanks for the fact-based response. I can see this is an issue you are passionate about, so I will try not to say anything that might cast dispersions on you or your opinions. I will simply say that abortion is an issue that most Republicans are also passionate about because they feel it is wrong just like killing a born child. That’s why they want to put limits on when and under what circumstances a woman can elect to have an abortion. They feel society must stand up for the rights of unborn children just like they would for born children. I understand you disagree with this position, but please try to understand that Republicans don’t see this as a war against women, but rather something more like a war for children. We believe in personal freedom to make individual choices, so long as that freedom doesn’t impair the rights of others. We feel if society doesn’t take a stand against killing children, who can they turn to for protection when their parents won’t protect them? It’s unfortunate that society has to take up for the unborn, but when the parents won’t do it, we have no other moral choice. That’s my view.

          • Shirley

            George E, Thank you for your gentlemanly response. We agree to disagree. I am passionate about children.
            I will say no more on this subject but to say, as a former teacher and a mother, I consider this a war on women and the collateral damage is: sometimes unhealthy, definitely unwanted, unloved and often times abused children. If this is an attempt to protect the innocent unborn then do not stop there; make provisions for quality of life for the child and mother.

          • George E

            Shirley,

            Thank you for a civilized discussion as well. I agree with your concern for unwanted, unloved, and abused children. That’s a problem I’d like to solve without abortion, if I could. Take care.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, you said “I consider this a war on women and the collateral damage is: sometimes unhealthy, definitely unwanted, unloved and often times abused children” These problems don’t change the fact that the child is alive and has it’s own rights seperate from it’s parents. These problems don’t justify killing the child. Taking the child’s life away from it because of these things is nothing less than the worst form of tyranny because that life will never have the chance to self determination.

          • Shirley

            In my opinion, and most scientific data support, a 20 week old fetus is not a viable human being. An unwanted child most often faces a bleak future. If, you disagree with my opinion, do you then want to support this child until it is 18 or so? If not, how can you say government has the right to force the mother to have a child that, for her own reasons,
            she feels she cannot mother properly? If you feel this is morally wrong, is this because of religious beliefs? What about separation of church and state? Allowing women access to contraceptives is often opposed based on religious grounds. This meddling in women’s rights to have control of their own bodies strikes me as hypocritical.It seems like TOO much Government regulation to me.

          • George E

            Shirley,

            Contraception is not illegal, so anyone can access these products if they want them and can pay for them. It’s my understanding that many are offered free of charge by a number of organizations, so they’re pretty easy to get if a person wants them, I think. Isn’t the issue whether public funds should be used to pay for these products? This is one of the problems we have with our public programs with the very diverse culture in this country. There are large segments of the population that disagree on a number of pretty fundamental moral and ethical issues. Even though you can push legislation through that is disagreeable to many in the population, it’s difficult to enforce these laws, especially when people feel they are immoral (against God’s laws) because that cuts deeper with people than laws passed by politicians.

            As we discussed before, I’m pretty much opposed to abortions at all stages of pregnancy, but I will concede that I have a lot less objection to it prior to 20 weeks since it’s commonly felt babies that young cannot exist without the mother’s bodily support. So, if a mother feels the need, for whatever reason, to abort her pregnancy, why can’t she make that decision prior to 20 weeks? Why isn’t that sufficient to acknowledge the mother’s rights? If we could agree on this compromise, it seems to me that would be a solution most of us could live with, even though most of us would prefer much more or much less. It seems pretty apparent to me that neither side is going to be able to garner enough public support to get all of what they want on this issue.

            Take care,

          • Shirley

            I said that I would say no more but I would like to clarify one point. No, I am not thinking that the taxpayer should have to pay for women’s hormone treatment nor an abortion. I am saying that politicians should not be passing laws that make it illegal for a woman to choose an abortion or to tell insurance carriers that they can decide not to pay for female hormone/contraception. This is about control and force and that does not allow females the freedom they should have.

          • George E

            Shirley,

            We may not agree on everything, but I do respect your opinion, and right to express it. Take care.

          • Shirley

            George E.
            Enjoyed the civil debate with you.
            Now, about the Ledbetter Bill about equal pay for equal work . . .
            You take care

          • George E

            Shirley,

            I’m not really familiar with the Ledbetter bill, but I can’t believe anyone is against the concept of “equal pay for equal work.” To be so, flies in the face of fairness to most of us. The little that I did read about this bill leads me to believe that it didn’t change the concept of equal pay, which has long been accepted by most people, but rather some of the rules on which a lawsuit can be lawfully brought against an employer. The issue for conservatives is in trying to balance the rights of the employer with the rights of the employee so that justice is achieved without encouraging frivolous lawsuits and onerous pay-outs which can hurt the economy overall for everyone. I’m guessing that many Republicans felt this bill skewed the balance too far in the employee’s favor, which would have the unintended consequences of unnecessarily hurting companies and the other employees working for them. I think balance and fairness to everyone is a legitimate issue and concern for all of us.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, If you had read my comment you would have seen that I did not say the government should force anyone to do anything. That’s your opinion on what I said. I did say at one time and still do that I believe all abortions, even the ones caused by all abortifacients, are really murder.

            As far as viability? I could take you and leave you naked in the desert and you wouldn’t be any more viable than that zygote is. You’d be dead in just a few days without water, yet there are people who could go out and live in that environment without outside help. But, really, any child is dependent on somebody until it has matured enough and become educated enough to survive in this world. Should we then have the right to abort that life also because it isn’t viable? I realize that you mean viable to mean “outside of the womb”. But, what really does your point about viability really mean? Your definition of vialbility can’t mean that the zygote isn’t human and that it shouldn’t have any rights just because it’s not viable by some arbitrary so called scientific definition.

            Can I assume that you are one of those people who feel like they should be able to behave in any way they want without any consequences? That perhaps you feel like you should be able to engage in any sexual activity and then just blithely “abort” the product of your passion all on the grounds that the resulting lifeform isn’t wanted? Or is it that you just don’t want to have to pay for someone else’s misbehavior? No, I don’t want to raise the product of anyones misbehavior anymore than you do, but the person who brings something to life should be responsible for that life. You just can’t force a person to be responsible if they really don’t want to be. Still, that life should be raised and properly educated so that it can make rational decisions and choices for itself…but, that only happens in a perfect world.

            The abortion solution is one of pure tryanny in it’s most cruel form and does nothing to alleviate suffering because it only leads people to believe in false solutions such as abortion. Having unrestrained sex is no solution to unhappiness and misery. I see a deranged and dangerous and growing segment of society that is more diseased in the society that it has created since the idea that abortions should be legal got it’s real foothold. Has the abortion solution solved any societal problems? I don’t believe so: people still argue, fight, kill, murder and are as unhappy as ever so abortions don’t solve any problems; it only deprives a person of it’s life and it’s right to choices. There will be no real solutions to the misery in this world until people learn to live responsibly. Abortion is MURDER.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            And yes Shirley, the government has no right to dictate that a woman should or shouldn’t have an abortion but it does have the right to punish murder.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            The modern idea of the seperation of church and state is false. Most of the founding fathers recognized the highest moral authority…that of God and that every living human has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as granted by Him. What they were talking about is that there can be no state sanctioned way of worshiping that God. Go do some study then come back and argue your point about the seperation of church and state. And yes I believe in God (although not by that name) and his ultimate authority over these matters but I did not base my argument on this basis.

            Our founding fathers recognized the dangers of a shifting moral code, one that could be dictated on the whims of either a tyrannical majority or a tyrannical minority so they were faced with recognizing a higher moral authority than just a shifting human one. They recognized the danger of the modern progressive thought process which is the same process that led to Hitler, Stalin, Mao and a host of other deranged mass murderers. As a result of this progressive thought process we now have thousands if not millions of deranged mass murderers. Get sterilized if you don’t want children or if you don’t want to be responsible for what happens naturally when you have sex. Still that choice is up to the individual and not the courts or the government. But, if you commit murder then you should be punished for it. We just can not condone murder in any form.

          • Shirley

            MURDER? Who was talking about murder? Do you honestly believe that LIFE (a human) begins at conception? If so, then why are you opposed to preventing conception? When these “accidents” are born what do your morals lead you to do to help them live? Once born they need food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, education, clean air and clean water etc. Is society willing to pay for the needs of these children? To do so cheerfully and lovingly? You know, the kind, thoughtful way? Is it moral to make laws requiring these unwanted children be born and then not provide for their needs? Upon what grounds have these so called morals been established as the law of the land? Show it to me in the Constitution.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, thank you for your question. I’m all in favor of preventing conception. I’m just against abortions of any kind. I said people should sterilize themselves if all they want to do is have sex without any unwanted children. There are several alternatives to sterilization also but those aren’t 100%. Now if mankind could only focus his creative energy to develop a pill that would stop ovulation so that there could be no conception then this would solve many moral issues for people like myself.

            Also I would like to add that even though I’m against abortions that I know women will have them and though this is sad for the life they murder it is probably better for the rest of moral society so that at least there will be one less life raised under the false impression that abortions are a solution to mankind’s procreation problems. If bad people want to murder their offspring that’s permissible.

            As to punishment? I don’t feel that mankind needs to actively punish anyone for using a pill or an IUD for abortion because it can’t be proved that there was ever a life started during any menstrual cycle. But that there should be punishment when a women knows she’s pregnant and aborts though I don’t necessarily feel that punishment needs to come from man as I believe that punishment is a natural consequence of bad actions. I call it punishment because I believe that the rules regarding these things were put into place by a wiser source than we.

            As to the constitutionality of forcing people to raise unwanted children? I never said it was a matter of constitutional law. However, it used to be in most of our communities that it was shameful for a man or a woman who didn’t live up to their moral obligation to raise their children. What happened to this type of thinking? It went away with progressive thinking and along with the government providing for women who get pregnant outside of a stable relationship.

            As far as providing for abandoned children? Society as a whole has a responsibility to do this but not through the federal government. Local agencies used to take care of this. It was never a perfect solution but it wasn’t meant to be either. It used to be that local people knew who was doing what and they put pressure on people to behave. That wasn’t perfect either but it was better than what we have now.

            I don’t believe in a perfect world and never claimed to and no matter what you allow or won’t man will always bring children into this world and fail to take care of them properly and there are no amount of laws that can prevent this. None of this changes my mind about abortions being murder. Murder is defined as taking a human life unlawfully. I know it’s lawful now to take a life through abortion but I agree with our founding fathers that a law that isn’t moral is not a law. It will never be right, no matter who says differently, that it is proper to purposely extinguish any human life that is innocent of any wrong doing even if that life is only one second old.

            I do agree with you that people who make children should be forced to properly provide for them.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, thank you for your question. I’m all in favor of preventing conception. I’m just against abortions of any kind. I said people should sterilize themselves if all they want to do is have sex without any unwanted children. There are several alternatives to sterilization also but those aren’t 100%. Now if mankind could only focus his creative energy to develop a pill that would stop ovulation so that there could be no conception
            but would allow a woman to ovulate when she decided the time was right then this would solve many moral issues for people like myself.

            Also I would like to add that even though I’m against abortions that I know women will have them and though this is sad for the life they murder it is probably better for the rest of moral society so that at least there will be one less life raised under the false impression that abortions are a solution to mankind’s procreation problems. If bad people want to murder their offspring that’s permissible.

            As to punishment? I don’t feel that mankind needs to actively punish anyone for using a pill or an IUD for abortion because it can’t be proved that there was ever a life started during any menstrual cycle but there should be punishment when a women knows she’s pregnant and aborts though I don’t necessarily feel that punishment needs to come from man as I believe that punishment is a natural consequence of bad actions. I call it punishment because I believe that the rules regarding these things were put into place by a wiser source than we.

            As to the constitutionality of forcing people to raise unwanted children? I never said it was a matter of constitutional law. However, it used to be in most of our communities that it was shameful for a man or a woman who didn’t live up to their moral obligation to raise their children and the members of that community would put pressure on the guilty parties to tow the line. What happened to this type of thinking? It went away with progressive thinking and along with the government providing for women who get pregnant outside of a stable relationship.

            As far as providing for abandoned children? Society as a whole has a responsibility to do this but not through the federal government. Local agencies used to take care of this. It was never a perfect solution but it wasn’t meant to be either. It used to be that local people knew who was doing what and they put pressure on people to behave. That wasn’t perfect either but it was better than what we have now.

            I don’t believe in a perfect world and never claimed to and no matter what you allow or won’t man will always bring children into this world and fail to take care of them properly and there are no amount of laws that can prevent this. None of this changes my mind about abortions being murder. Murder is defined as taking a human life unlawfully. I know it’s lawful now to take a life through abortion but I agree with our founding fathers that a law that isn’t moral is not a law. It will never be right, no matter who says differently, that it is proper to purposely extinguish any human life that is innocent of any wrong doing even if that life is only one second old.

            I do agree with you that people who make children should be forced to properly provide for them.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            George E, your are right about this being an issue of the rights of children for a lot of people but, really this is an issue of the rights of all human beings to life. The human zygote is a product of the union of two human gametes and is therefore human and has rights. That a woman should feel that she has a right to terminate that human life is her privilege whether it is right or wrrong. That human life is granted rights by our creator…or at least our law says these rights are for all humans: the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Killing a human unlawfully is murder. Our founders recognized that a law that is immoral is not a law.

          • George E

            Katrael,

            If a large portion of the population feels a law is immoral according to their understanding, it is very difficult for those people to show allegiance to those laws. This is one of the reasons it’s very important for a society to establish a common set of values from which their morals, ethics, and laws should be based. When these elements become disconnected from each other, like our abortion laws are, the culture of a society becomes disconnected and drifts in all sorts of directions. Does this sound like any place you’re familiar with, maybe like one with the initials USA?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Yes George E what you say is true that people become disconnected from moral codes they don’t agree with and yes it does sound like the USA. I’m not sure where you’re going with this? Some questions: did they become disconnected from these moral codes because they weren’t right or because they needed a way to justify their actions or maybe something else like the code was to harsh or wrong?

          • George E

            Katrael,

            I’ve read several of your posts today, and you’re on a roll. I agree with everything you have said. Keep up the good work.

            The point I’m trying to make to our liberal friends is that we need a moral code in our society on which to base our laws and regulations. Like it or not, and I try not to get into a Christianity argument here, but the moral code that’s been inculcated into this society in this country largely has its origins in Judeo/Christian teaching. I believe many of the secularist (mostly liberals) think that we should completely remove all mention of religion from our society in order to be completely “fair” to those of different faiths and no faith. I just think this would be a tragic mistake for the civility of our society. It would be like removing a cornerstone from a tall building without putting something in its place. The building would eventually fall after small cracks in the foundation turned into larger cracks. Personally, I don’t care what religions people want to belong to and support, but I do think it is important that the moral codes of those religions are present and pretty much in alignment. Otherwise, there will be trouble in society if you get large minorities with significantly different moral codes. Just food for thought.

          • Shirley

            I have a suggestion. Before having intercourse every male will sign a contract that he will support the female for a period of 18 months and will support any child that might result from the relationship for 18 years. Failure to do so will result in a 9 month prison sentence and a fine of $18k . This seems fair and moral.

          • George E

            Shirley,

            That might work. It would certainly take some of the passion out of the encounter…..ha. The other way, which I personally prefer, is for each individual to protect themselves from a pregnancy if they don’t want children. That’s taking personal responsibility. If, children result from their intercourse, then they should be responsible for raising them like responsible parents are supposed to do. If they don’t accept this responsibility and society or one of the partners has to bear the burden, then certainly there could/should be consequences for the irresponsible partner, something like you speak of.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, what you suggest makes absolute sense but I believe it’s called a marriage. If, and I say if people would live up to those vows of “until death do us part” that the problem of unwanted children would go away. Sadly human nature is as it is and people somehow feel that they don’t have to live up to their word and they creatively find many reasons to renege on their word. And, to be fair it doesn’t seem right that anyone should stay in an abusive environment. When couples do break up they still have an obligation to finish raising their offspring to independence. Now the problem: can parental responsibility be enforced by law? I think it should be so that people who do take responsibility for their own don’t have to take it for those who only want to have fun regardless of the consequences.

          • Shirley

            Shoulda. Woulda. Coulda. But in the real world these unwanted children ARE born and they DO need care. Why make laws that make it difficult for a woman to get birth control (impossible for some) and illegal to get an abortion? Why not leave the woman alone and let it be the private matter that it should be? Let the unfortunate female and her doctor make the best decision for her. She IS alive the non-viable fetus is not ready to live outside the womb. My point is that politicians should NOT BE MAKING these laws. Why not put it to a vote?

            You see, I am female and I resent (mostly) men making these laws. This is, in my opinion, heavy-handed Thuggery! It is a kind of rape; forcing a woman to have a baby against her wishes (with no consequences for the male) and it Does take two, you know.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, I agree that the gov has no business in women’s reproductive rights so we are arguing the same point. Women should have at it if they want to destroy a life that carries one half of her genetic material. All the better for those of us that want to have children. The viability thing is a bunch of bull so that women can feel guilt free when they destroy something that is alive and a part of themselves and they call things by these names: zygote, gametes, embryo, fetus and other things so that it doesn’t sound as if they are destroying a human life. And as I said before there is no perfect world.

            I have a question that I know most people probably would never answer: have they destroyed human beings exercising their god given reproductive rights and that is the reason they rail so much so that they can cover up their guilty feelings that seemingly unsympathetic people like myself cause them to have when we voice our opinion? Why should they get so angry about this since what they want is already legal; even up until the last second before birth in some places (or so I’m led to believe)? These laws will probably never be reversed and they will only get progressively less restrictive as time goes on.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, maybe you could show me some of these laws you’re talking about since you probably know about this as you said that there are laws or there are laws being made that make it difficult or impossible for women to get birth control. I thought that they could simply go down to their local health clinic and get what they want. I don’t know since I don’t need birth control. However, the broader issue concerning this is whether I should be forced to pay so someone can have their fun? Instead of forcing me to pay make those who have children they don’t want to be responsible for what they do. As you point out shoulda woulda coulda.

          • Shirley

            Why do you assume that it is “fun”? You DO know what assuming something does don’t you?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, I’m not sure what part of my comment you’re referring to but, I assume that it was my contention that having sex is fun. Well, it was generally fun for me.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            I guess you just want to be mad at men? There are as many women that want more restrictive reproductive laws as there are men that want this. Not all women share your views. If, as you say, that there are no consequences for men when women have unwanted babies then why in the world would a women have intercourse with an un- responsible male? You just made my point. It takes two as you say and both have a say in what happens except in the case of rape but, I don’t believe the vast majority of unwanted babies are the result of rape? So, women should get to know the man they intend to have intercourse with before they do it and if the guy is a bum she should go to someone else to share herself with. What ever happened to being responsible for our actions? We don’t have to worry about these things when the good ole gov will bail us out of our dilemmas.

          • Shirley

            Katrael,
            There are 7 or 8 states that have just this year passed laws concerning women’s reproductive rights! In my state, a state Senator stood “in the well’ and compared a woman having to carry a dead fetus to term just like his hogs and cows did. He said it was sad but just a fact of life. He called out to a few other Senators who apparently were farmers and asked if they had had the sad experience of losing some of their livestock.too. The Governor of Pennsylvania, I think, or maybe Virginia, in addressing the issue being discussed in his state about requiring a woman to have an ultrasound inserted into her vagina before she could have an abortion, said” tell her to shut her eyes” if it offends her. These laws are being passed in the USA in 2012 by majority male Republican-controlled legislatures. It IS a war on women and it is from the Republican ‘guidebook’. (You don’t think they all just suddenly decided on their own that this problem was of immediate concern and HAD to be passed now, do you?) I am not making this up. I find it frightening, disgusting,disrespectful and I I will speak about it with outrage until people look at it for what it is and stand up for their mothers, sisters wives, daughters – the WOMEN. We are not cattle nor breeding stock. We are LIVING, human beings with certain rights . . .

            I still think that an abortion should be a private matter between the woman and her doctor and her significant other. Sometimes the doctor should not agree; for example, if she wants to abort because it will be’ inconvenient’ for her or she is healthy and can deliver a healthy baby that could be adopted, but it should not be a political decision. Women should have access to birth control through their insurance coverage if the insurance pays for male enhancement medication.

            Women should receive equal pay for equal work.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Shirley, I didn’t reply to your comment before now as I didn’t know how to reply to you and I needed to do some research.

            Women have always been able to abort, even when it wasn’t legal. The native Americans knew how to do it. Peterson’s Field Guide to Eastern/Central Medicinal Plants lists three such possibilities. Page 62: Black or Canadian Sanicle (sanicula canadensis L.) Page 206 Blue Cohosh (caulophyllum thalictroides L.) and the last was surprising to me as it is a known tree of great medicinal value: page 294 Slippery Elm (ulmus rubra Muhl.) The guide doesn’t say that the Native Americans used these plants for this purpose just that they knew they were able to do it. The last one, Slippery Elm, is a mechanical abortifacient. The guide also doesn’t say how to use these for the purpose of abortions. All of this took place during a period of history before there were written laws.

            Now your contention is that this female reproductive rights issue is adversely affected by a predominantly republican male thuggery. Well, I don’t think your argument holds water as women now have the right to vote and have had that right for almost one hundred years now. In fact here is the Federal Criminal Government’s own statistics:

            “Among the citizen population, 74 percent of women and 71 percent of men were registered to vote in 2004. Women were more likely than men to vote (65 percent compared with 62 percent), as shown in Table B. Although men historically have voted at higher rates than women, women’s rates surpassed those of men in the 18-and-older population for the first time in the presidential election of 1984.”

            Apparently your sisters don’t agree with you about this issue of women’s reproductive rights as they could easily sway any State or Federal Legislature to it’s will so if you put this issue, what ever it really is, to the vote, it would lose.

            Now, abortions were legal, or at least not legislated, in the 19th century. Abortions supposedly became illegal through the actions of a male dominated medical thuggocracy who’s profits were at stake due to midwives assisting in births and abortions. I haven’t studied this issue out and I don’t really care because it’s not germane to this issue. Abortions are now legal and became so sometime in the 1960′s. Here’s a site where I found information: http://www.feminist.com/resources/ourbodies/abortion.html. In 1970, New York was the first state to legalize abortion on demand up until the 24th week of pregnancy. Now this is a common thing and I understand that women may have abortions up until the moment of birth in some places. It doesn’t sound as if you have any real reason to complain about this issue as women can now do as they please…legally.

            Abortifacients: these have always been available and are now plentiful. I haven’t checked but I understand that a women or even a young girl can go to her local public health clinic and acquire abortifacients. The real issue here is getting pregnant.

            It takes two to get one pregnant as you pointed out. It takes an egg donor and a sperm donor so if a woman ends up pregnant she had to actively engage in unprotected sex…that is unless she was raped. So, what is it that you want now that abortions on demand are legal almost everywhere? Is it that you want other people to pay for your jollies? And why if abortifacients and conception controls are so plentiful is it that any woman who doesn’t want to have children has to rely on doctor assisted abortions? My earlier contention must also be true: that you desire only to be angry with men and don’t see women as being part of the problem.

            This issue takes on a liberal progressive bias. Liberal progressive women must want everybody else to pay for their liberal progressive actions so that they don’t have to be responsible for their own actions. This is as much thuggery and tyranny as what you claim exists now in the predominantly republican male thuggocracy and it looks as if many women don’t share this bias at least not enough now because the governments don’t have to pay for women’s doctor assisted abortions yet. I have no doubt though that the criminal government will soon be forced to pay for these abortions and will have to do it for every woman who want’s one regardless of her ability to pay for her to have it done privately. It didn’t take that long to go from no legal abortions, except in life threatening situations, to abortion on demand and this is how things progress thus we call it progressive. It’s just like the social security issue: it went from applying to just a few to everybody…that’s progressive.

            Now Shirley, you almost made a believer out of me. I can now endorse this idea of government paid abortions but only on these grounds:

            That a woman who demands that an abortion be paid for by the government has to submit to a fiscal financial audit to prove she can’t afford it otherwise. That the pregnant woman who recieves such abortion will submit to sterilization. That the woman who demands such abortion will submit information as to who got her pregnant so that the male sperm donor will then be required to undergo sterilization. All such benefits to be paid for and provided for by the government. Failure for the woman to provide sperm donor information will result in: abortion, sterilization and no less than six months criminal incarceration in the local prison… that is unless you desire to make prostitution legal. We know that the woman didn’t get pregnant on her own and if she can’t say which sperm donor did it then she’s automatically guilty of prostitution or at least whordom and we the tax payers don’t want to have to continue to pay for a woman’s jollies on perpetual basis.

            The sooner enough women finish murdering their unwanted children the better. Perhaps we’ll eventually eradicate this liberal progressive poison and restore a moral safe environment for our children to grow up in.

            Perhaps you need psychiatric help?

          • George E

            Katrael, Shirley,

            I don’t want to get in between the two of you in this conversation, but I would like to inject one comment from the male point of view. If a woman, other than my wife, accused me of getting her pregnant, I’d sure want a DNA match before the authorities sterilized me……ha.

          • Deerinwater

            I’m sure most of us remember the movie “In the heat of the night” a 1967 mystery film based on the John Ball novel of the same name published in 1965, which tells the story of a black police detective from Philadelphia who becomes involved in a murder investigation in a racist small town in Mississippi. The film won five Academy Awards, including Best Picture. It starred Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, and Warren Oates, and was directed by Norman Jewison.

            This whole event of robbery, murder and cover up was predicated over a young woman getting pregnant and lead to the chain of events to make it “go away”. The book setting is in Sparta, Mississippi in the late 40′s to early 50′s but it could be anywhere USA.

            What I find most interesting to consider is the desperation of young people when faced with an unwanted pregnancy. What do they do, who do the turn to?

            I do believe that this sense of urgency and desperation is completely lost on those who elect to sit back and make judgement with what seems as mild indifference to young persons caught up in human drama that simple too big to handle AND REALLY NEED HELP. FOR SOMEBODY!

            http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/%E2%80%98stop-backstreet-abortions-change-law%E2%80%99

            to be fair pro argument; http://www.spuc.org.uk/youth/student_info_on_abortion/backstreet

            An article from the World Health Organization calls safe, legal abortion a “fundamental right of women, irrespective of where they live” and unsafe abortion a “silent pandemic”.[10] The article states “ending the silent pandemic of unsafe abortion is an urgent public-health and human-rights imperative.” It also states “access to safe abortion improves women’s health, and vice versa, as documented in Romania during the regime of President Nicolae Ceaușescu” and “legalisation of abortion on request is a necessary but insufficient step toward improving women’s health” citing that in some countries, such as India where abortion has been legal for decades, access to competent care remains restricted because of other barriers. WHO’s Global Strategy on Reproductive Health, adopted by the World Health Assembly in May 2004, noted: “As a preventable cause of maternal mortality and morbidity, unsafe abortion must be dealt with as part of the MDG on improving maternal health and other international development goals and targets.”[11] The WHO’s Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction (HRP), whose research concerns people’s sexual and reproductive health and lives,[12] has an overall strategy to combat unsafe abortion that comprises four interrelated activities:[11]

          • Shirley

            In response to your citing of the WHO info. Thank you for trying, but those who have their minds made up, have their minds made up. I am guilty of this also, I must admit. I am a law abiding citizen and a born again Christian but I read, listen, observe and think for myself and consequently form my own conclusions. The Conservatives (Social, Evangelicals?) want to impose their beliefs on us in the form of laws, which based on their “less government, less regulations” mantra seems contradictory to me and is contrary to my ideas of freedom and justice for ALL. And so I, who believes in freedom of speech, will succumb and express my thoughts with others on this site.

          • George E

            Shirley,

            I don’t want to rehash and re-debate the righteousness of abortion laws, but I would like to try to frame the conservative view so that perhaps you won’t think we’re “nuts” because we are in disagreement on this issue. Conservatives are for small, efficient government. However, we are not anarchist who basically believe in no government. We think civil society must have laws and regulations, and officials to enforce them. We just think there ought not be too many laws and regulations or government officials because when there are, citizens become servants to a tyrannical government rather than the government serving its citizens. In the case of Roe vs. Wade, this law is in conflict with our basic morality. Given this, is it so unreasonable for those who feel this way to try to amend or reverse this law? Amendments that restrict abortions after 20 weeks seem pretty reasonable to me since they allow abortions without a lot of restriction for 20 weeks, but put restrictions on them after that time. If those who want Roe to stand as originally passed won’t allow amendments to satisfy those who are against it, they will force those opposing abortion to push for a total reversal of this law if that is their only option. If this is the case, it could be overturned at some point because people do feel very passionate about this issue as history has shown us. So, even though I know you passionately disagree with our position on this issue, I would like to think that you appreciate that we’re not irrational nut jobs, but just people who honestly have a different opinion, and love our country just like you. Take care.

          • Shirley

            George E
            I respect your right to your opinion. I have heard preachers say that abortion is a sin. I do not agree. I will passionately try to end what I believe is a “War on Women” waged by the Republicans (mostly men, but an Arizona female legislator introduced an anti woman bill this year). You see it as morally wrong. I see it as morally wrong to legislatively tell a woman what she MUST do with her body. I think it is equally morally wrong to force a woman to bring into the world a child that she does not want because the child will not have the quality of life that each of us deserves. A woman is raped, a woman’s baby is dreadfully deformed, the fetus id dead but still in the uterus, the woman will probably die if she delivers the baby … on and on there are times, even after 20 weeks, when an abortion should be allowed to happen, but because GOVERNMENT has decided that under no circumstances can the woman abort or else she and her doctors become criminals >>>to me, this is morally wrong. No offense, but no man ( other than a doctor can understand and if a male he cannot fully understand) what it is like to carry a child inside your body and no politician should make rules that a woman MUST follow in this instance. And why the opposition to contraception? Why do the Republicans oppose the Violence Against Women Act? Why did Romney not know about the Ledbetter Bill (law?act?)? The Republicans say the President does not abide by the Constitution or the laws of the land. Then, the Republicans make laws that are contrary to the Constitution and somehow that is okay? George why do you think that your ‘morals” supersede the laws of the land? Roe v. Wade IS one of the laws of the land. So saith the U.S. Supreme Court.
            I am not a Bible scholar. Where in the Bible does it address abortion? I am guessing that your moral grounds opposing abortion are Biblical?
            I wish you well George E. but I respectfully disagree with you on MY MORAL GROUNDS.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Because it’s a law doesn’t mean that it’s good. Anyone, including republicans, that gets a law passed that is not moral…good for all, even the unborn, has done a bad thing for society. Now, if people would behave then we wouldn’t be arguing this issue…would we Shirley?

          • Shirley

            True, IF people would only behave!! But apparently they don’t. This forum would not be needed would it? If people did behave, we would not need any laws, rules or regulations would we? But, it appears that ‘we all fall short’.So, working together as a society we should, in good faith, debate and then develop plans to help make our society one of liberty and justice for all. Easy to say, difficult to do, but do we should. But, again, not force our values on others without an agreement from our citizens. (VOTE)
            Two more points; !) I believe that educators should develop a comprehensive sex education curriculum for our schools that teaches abstinence, consequences AND birth control in separate classes for males and females progressing from 5th to 12th grade. and 2) that Nazi Germany sterilized her people, Let us NOT go there!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            George E, I like your comment about being a conservative. I want to address the issue of rights. To me a right is the ability to make a choice and act on it. People make choices and act on them all of the time and often those actions lead to undesirable consequences but, it’s still their right to engage in that activity. It’s only after we’ve experienced those consequences, both good and bad, that we know whether the action was a good one or not. Because we have a right to do something doesn’t mean that the right is a good thing to engage in. The problem with this is that it often takes time before we fully realize the consequences of our actions…sometimes it may take generations before we know that an activity or a decision can lead to bad results such as the compounded effects of continuous inbreeding and the genetic defects that appear.

            To me the abortion solution is not a solution at all because it requires the death of someone who is innocent and who hasn’t had a chance to experience the life it was given and I find it hard to believe that anyone could find real happiness in causing the death of someone else.

            Can anyone argue that if everything goes properly during a pregnancy, including birth, that the thing that was conceived at the moment the egg and sperm combine will be a person when born… and that the person is a human with rights? What difference does it make then if that person is one second old after conception or nine months later? That person will still be human and a result of human passion and activity.

          • George E

            Katrael,

            I agree with you. To me, an unborn baby is not just a lifeless fetus but rather a live human being and should be treated as such. Once the baby starts moving on its own in the womb, it demonstrates life. Aborting the child after that time really bothers me, and especially after 20 weeks when most babies could survive on their own if removed from the womb. Since abortions are legal, I have less problem with them if done quickly after conception than I do later on. If the parents don’t want the child, I don’t understand why they don’t have the abortion quickly rather than waiting when it gets a lot more traumatic to all. Nevertheless, I also believe every situation should be judged on its own merits because there may be extenuating circumstances that should be considered. Having said that, my daughter is an RN and has been practicing in major hospitals for more than 10 years in labor and delivery and women’s services. When she started, she was pro-abortion but has since changed her mind because she has seen many, many abuses by irresponsible women who use late term abortion for birth control. She has seen a number of perfectly healthy babies aborted during delivery. I don’t know how anyone can defend practices like this.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            George E. For sure self movement is a good indication of life. Another good one is growth. I don’t have the link here that someone shared but there is a man who won a Nobel Prize for breakthrough imaging technology. It’s his story that says that if an embyo’s growth rate continued at the same rate from conception until birth that it had in the first ninety days that the baby would weigh over a ton and a half. That’s astounding. He also claims that there are over 40,000 miles of blood vessels in the average human body and that only one mile of them are visible. If these are true then the body is such an amazing feat of evolution or creation that these things alone would be enough of a reason for me to be against abortion. Every single life is unique and precious and too valuable to be wasted.

          • George E

            Katrael,

            I hear you, and mostly agree. However, keep in mind that tumors also grow, but they aren’t a separate living being………..I don’t think. At least they don’t move on their own and certainly couldn’t live outside the human body.

          • Shirley

            I am not suggesting that I approve of an abortion for “convenience” at any time. I would prefer that a decision be made by a woman’s physician, the woman and the father. After 20 weeks an abortion should only be for extreme situations. However, these decisions should be the WOMAN”S decision with direction from her physician NOT a politician! Doctor’s have a creed to “Do no harm.”. These new laws are forcing doctors to do harm. If she is not an adult or if she is an adult but cannot provide for the delivered child then with counseling and support, arrangements should be made available to care for the mother and child during pregnancy and then for adoption. But, instead these Draconian laws are being imposed. Why not make laws that protect the mother and fetus and then for the delivered child? “Do unto others as would have others do unto you.” .” “Love one another”. These are my values.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            I’m not indifferent to the plight of our youth or the passions they face. I’m still faced with those same passions myself but just as in my youth I decided not to engage in an activity that would produce unwanted results such as getting a woman pregnant before I was willing or able to deal with the situation. I agree that women should have the right to safe abortions but that right is not an entitlement for me to pay. If two people who are of breeding age decide they want to engage in activities that creates another life then they should have to experience the consequences of their actions but not at my expense. Let them pool their resources and do what they feel they need to do including having an abortion. We as taxpayers have certain rights also and there are potentially better places to spend that tax money than on peoples sexual passions or the consequences thereof.

            Now, what many, including Shirley, don’t want to admit to is that the unborn, who are a result of passion, should have a right to the life they were given. .The people who engage in sexual activities do so out of passion and they are not forced to engage in sex.

            I was serious about the comment I made about the government providing abortions. If someone can force me to pay for something I don’t feel I should pay for then I should be able to force them to abide by certain restrictions.

            There is one other thing and I think this is important: what do people learn about life if there are no consequences for bad decisions? I fully believe that there will always be bad consequences for bad decisions. Allowing people to believe that they can do anything without consequence is a bad idea.

          • Deerinwater

            “Allowing people to believe that they can do anything without consequence is a bad idea”

            Surly you are not suggesting that a woman enduring an abortion is not a consequence?

            It’s a permanent scar on their mind that they carry to their grave as I understand it explained to me.

          • George E

            Deer,

            I agree with you that abortions leave an indelible mark on the life of the mother, and possibly the father and rest of the family. I believe reasonable and responsible people understand that abortions are ugly and should be avoided when there are better options. However, under some circumstances, abortion may be the best option……………. We can argue that for a long time, I suppose, so I’d like to avoid that for now.

            However, I would like to share my personal experience with this issue. My daughter is a practicing RN in a major hospital in the women’s services department. She has assisted in many births, and some abortions. She tells me that she was originally an advocate for abortion as a woman’s right of choice, but has changed her mind after seeing it in practice. She says that she has seen many women who have multiple late term abortions for birth control. We agree that these women are not responsible to raise these children if they were born, but by the same token, we don’t feel its right to end the lives of these children either. It’s a very perplexing situation, so we think the best solution is to let the babies be born and then give them up for adoption when they are healthy enough (often meaning drug-free). Before the woman is released from the hospital, she should have her tubes tied so she can’t have any more children for the state to take care of. There are no easy solutions to this very difficult problem, but at least this one wouldn’t conflict with society’s morals to defend life, wouldn’t make the mother feel guilty for the rest of her life for killing her child, and would give the child and adoptive parents a chance at fulfilling their lives. It might also slow down some of the abuses and make people more responsible for their actions.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            George E. I like what you have shared especially about women who use multiple abortions as a means of birth control especially for what you term as “late term abortions”. I wonder though why it is that people have less of a problem with the idea of aborting something before 20 weeks?

            Is it that it doesn’t move or maybe that it doesn’t feel pain? There is even a part of myself that feels that way but, another part of myself that only sees this issue as one of life vs death for a living being. I realize that it seems that arguing this point won’t solve anything and maybe it won’t. I think I understand your feelings about this.

            There was one person that made the point that because the zygote and embryo didn’t look human that it wasn’t human so it was alright to abort it for that reason. My how some people justify their actions.

          • George E

            Katrael,

            The older I get, the less I seem to like abortions at any time. However, if we have to allow them, then early term abortions are less offensive to me than late term abortions. I especially don’t like them after 20 weeks because we know most babies can survive outside the womb after that time. For me, it no longer is a “woman’s choice” issue after 20 weeks. It’s real hard for me to see how anyone can argue in good conscience that we should allow women to abort babies after 20 weeks unless there is a real good reason, and “just because that’s what the woman wants to do” is not a good enough reason for me.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, you said “Surly you are not suggesting that a woman enduring an abortion is not a consequence? It’s a permanent scar on their mind that they carry to their grave as I understand it explained to me.” you’ve made my point exactly about consequences. Wouldn’t it be better to teach as many as will hear about your message and teach them to behave responsibly to begin with so they can avoid this consequence? We know that many won’t hear the message and they’ll just have to learn the hard way and for those there’s abortion.

          • Deerinwater

            Well of course! an once of prevention worth a pound of cure. But I don’t believe that is the argument at hand.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            I don’t care one bit about what the WHO has to offer in the way of opinion. Our country is not ruled by them. And like Shirley and everyone else here I have a right my opinions and I will always speak out against the evil act of abortion but will always speak out for the right for a woman to have one just not at my expense.

          • Shirley

            I do not want to go back to the days of primitive, back-alley abortions, do you?

            Personal note: my husband and I had 6 children…no abortions By OUR choice. But as a Mother, Teacher and Woman I do not want the women of my country to have to suffer 3rd world country treatment. I do not want to see children born into a world of abuse, neglect and no love. That is tragic and preventable in a safe way, but with the new laws we are reverting back to the Dark Ages.

            I have had my say. We still disagree. I hope that your ideas do not prevail I dread to see the predictable outcome in our nation. Roe v. Wade is still one of the laws of the land but State Legislatures are making laws that are contrary to R v. W. That seems to suit you two and others but it doesn’t suit me. I didn’t know that we get to pick and choose which laws are to be obeyed. Is this what we are to expect for the future if the Conservatives gain complete control ? I said why not at least let the people vote on it, but I get the feeling that will not happen, because these people who are making illegal ‘LAWS’ know what is best for us don’t they? We simple little women should not worry our pretty little heads about all this stuff. Big Daddy Government will take care of us, won’t it? Oh No! That is Not what you want is it? You want less government interference in your lives, less regulation. . . Gee, silly me, I am sooo confused
            We could continue to go round and round on this issue but to what purpose?
            Take care and good luck. God Bless the USA.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            DNA testing would be routinely done and also provided to make sure the right donor was sterilized.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            DNA testing would be routine and provided for so that the proper “donor” could be identified.

            Also, no more back alley abortions. You know, I found it interesting that the site I listed claimed one million abortions were performed a year before they became illegal. Although this number seems preposterous to me and I may not have it right. My point is that women knew how to abort safely and that was back in the 19th century. But, still, no more back alley abortions are necessary.

          • Shirley

            Answer to your last question. No, not yet but with much more of this pious, self-righteous drivel I may have to throw up.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Thank you for your comment Shirley. Self righteous? When did I say I was righteous? What part of my comment don’t you like? I’m glad you didn’t need psychiatric help. Be well and prosper Shirley and I agree that we don’t need any more back alley abortions. We also don’t need the government to step in to do anything about this; neither do they need to pass laws against abortions nor do they need to pay for abortions.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Well,. George E, it seems to me that if you remove the first couple of commandments relating to God from the Ten Commandment list the rest make sense in almost any stable society. Honor your father and mother, don’t murder, don’t steal from your neighbors, keep your sexual activities in your own house and so on. I know I didn’t write them the way they are written but you get the point. To remove these from our laws would allow people to completely abandon themselves to their baser desires which would only lead to anarchy. Many of the others also make sense: don’t commit incest as genectic defects are magnified, don’t have sex with animals as diseases they have will infect the human population, build safe structures so that your guest don’t get injured, don’t convict a person of a major crime by the testimony of one person and many more that make sense…at least to me. These aren’t religious things only things that make sense.

            Our founding fathers also believed in the higher moral code but they also knew that people should be free to worship or not as they please and that the state had no business dictating such matters to people.

      • Deerinwater

        I’ve been watching these posting and response for the last few days and wanted to jump in but unclear exactly how and to what end, while doing my best to be most “kind” to all.

        First off, our laws do already in fact reflect moral code. Now how it might work to make more of them or somehow try to make them more “effective”, your guess is as good as mine.

        The very reason for laws is due impart to the nature of man. It is the nature of man to push boundaries and misbehave. If you are the religious sort, just two naked people living in a garden paradise had problems with boundaries if you will recall. Laws are simple a tool to aid society in policing it’s self. Regardless of the number or kind of laws we put in place, they will never stop criminal activity or general misbehavior. Our laws do slow it, but that all that you might expect it to do.

        Then too, try as we may, we will “never” regulate morality. To suggest morality was somehow lost is to suggest that it was in someones possession to start with. I suggest to you that many never had it to lose.

        I do not posses a criminal mind, there was a time when I was working as a peace officer I wished that I did. I would have been must better at my job. I had to learn what I now know about criminals and the way they “think” the hard way. Then too, I worked with other law enforcement officers that didn’t have my disadvantage, as they too had a criminal mind. Some were naturally gifted for the work and other’s just worked much harder and longer, much like anything else someone might undertake.

        The criminal mind is missing some parts, these parts will vary with each criminal. They are marginally functional people. This dysfunctional and it’s degree is hard to see with the untrained eye. Some were actually born that way, some were programmed from childhood and some got a double dose.

        Why is it that a public ladies restroom cannot keep a bottle of hand lotion out? Someone will steal it! Some restroom can’t even keep toilet paper! They will steal that too!

        There is always going to be criminal minds that walk among us. You can’t tell who they are by looking at them. They can be your friends, neighbors, lovers, family members.

        I’d say to anybody, we don’t need anymore laws! Laws that you can’t police and enforce especially. Be mindful, that laws actually made’s criminals. It becomes a “chicken or the egg” thang.

        I say to you that with 325 million citizens and a new one every 14 seconds, America is no more immoral today then it was 30 years ago or 50 years ago.

        All is not lost people! The church and it’s good work is taking place everyday. Please do not permit what you are consuming, to consume you. We all project what we think, it’s on your face, it’s in your posture, it’s in your actions and especially your “reactions”.

        It’s misfortunate that bad “news”, pain a suffering sales but it’s up to you as a consumer to what you buy and carry home with you. Nobody can do that for you, it’s all up to you.

    • eddie47d

      That’s a phony weak kneed line of bull Kim!

      • George E

        Eddie,

        Maybe it’s not true that Obama got elected because he’s half black. However, you can understand why many think this played a role since liberals very often accuse conservatives of being racists when the facts show liberals are at least as guilty of making racists comments as are conservatives. It’s my opinion that they are more guilty of this than conservatives since liberals don’t worry about being accused of being racist like conservatives are. Race does play a major role in liberal thinking and politics. That seems pretty obvious to me.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      I strongly disagree, Kim. Obama was elected because he offered a “free lunch” to the many free-loaders in America. The same free-loaders who are now defending him, and will vote, not for Obama, necesserally, but what he offers; A free lunch! It has nothing to do with color, but everything to do with, free-entitelments! Obama has the gift of relating to the lowest, common-denominator!

      • Deerinwater

        Well Jay, that is your beliefs and perspective. The kind of thinking that you would expect from a person with a serious racist bias. At a point in my life, I shared much these same views. However reaching manhood, I found it necessary to clean up a lot of my child hood thinking, bad parental programming not only on race issues but interpersonal relationships, man/ woman, son, father, husband, citizen, neighbor and what my true purpose and responsibilities were to myself and others. I had to accept, I had limited control of others, that this control was not something I should “demand”, I must “appeal” to them if I wanted it.

        Of course this bias you harbor didn’t just fall out of the sky. Much like mine they was seeded and reinforce over a life time and there is no undoing it at this point. There is nothing that can be done or said to change your way of thinking UNLESS, you sense a strong need to do so.

        I found this strong need, while clearly you have not. You have managed to make it this far without cleaning up some early out dated corrupted programming. Like the 40 year old lady that still wears her prom queen hairdo, or 50 year old man in his tighty whities some people just never see the need to change.

        To how well that has actually served you, I will never know but it clearly wasn’t working well for me. My biggest problem was,~ I didn’t have a problem! It was everybody else that had problems! If everyone would seen the world my way, everything would have been FINE!

        You seem most willing go to your grave feeling justified with your beliefs.

        I cannot say that you are wrong in stating that some people voted for Obama looking for a free lunch but I don’t believe their numbers as great as you think, most bottom feeder don’t bother to vote! Beyond that, we were only offered two men to chose from, Obama was clearly the better of the two and you can thank rank and file GOP for that. It’s no differ today with the GOP, they refuse to offer the American people a worthy candidate for President.

        I for one and tired of it! but there is little that I can do about it.

        I was hoping for more unified cooperation from fellow Americans, but it’s clear at this point, like a few million bottom feeders that you believe have installed a mixed race President for a free lunch, a few million racist bigots is attempting to cloud the issues of the day and grid lock government anyway possible.

        I’ve never seen or heard the volume of personal attack and political resistance as I hear today. This effort to recreate Obama to satisfy and justify your darken “Christian” hearts works well among people that have these similar dysfunction nature.

        It looks like we are to have a horse race once again, but unlike a horse race and a clear winner. Only you winning will make you shut to fock up and act remotely civil.

        Well bullies friends, prepare yourselves for 4 more years of pi$$ing and moaning, crying and b1tching. You are going to have to take it, it’s not going to be given to you just to stop you from crying and calling people unflattering names.

        • George E

          Deer,

          Obama seems like a nice enough fellow. I just don’t like what he’s doing to our country. Without getting into a lot of details, if you just look at the debt and deficit which many of us think is the most important issue of our time, it’s obvious that Obama doesn’t see this as a priority. He’s done nothing of substance to try to bring the budget into balance (ever). He hasn’t demanded, little lone asked, the Senate to submit a budget since he’s been President. He didn’t (and there’s little evidence that he ever will) follow the advice of his own debt commission to get control of the federal budget. He does, however, chide Republicans for suggesting ways of getting control of the budget. “Chide” may be too mild. He and his supporters actually demagogue them, suggesting that the mild trimming to the budget that the Republicans offer is going to “throw grandma over the cliff.” How’s that for working together? How’s that for addressing an important issue? How’s that for leadership? On this very important issue, Obama fails to make the grade in my book.

          Oh, and whether you’ve noticed or not, it’s not only conservatives that resort to name-calling. I see an awlful lot of liberals doing the same. From my perspective, there seems like a lot more of this sort of thing coming from liberals than conservatives.

          And, it’s not just conservatives who are “programmed” to think a certain way. If conservatives are programmed, it mostly comes from the values and morals they learned from their family, church, and community. Most of these values we hold dear, but some have been twisted by people at times and have caused us to get off track once in a while. However, most of the time we come back to the center of these values. Liberals seem to be programmed by the current issues and trends of the day which have little long standing value, and most likely will fail them in time.

      • Deerinwater

        George say;And, it’s not just conservatives who are “programmed” to think a certain way. If conservatives are programmed, it mostly comes from the values and morals they learned from their family, church, and community. Most of these values we hold dear, but some have been twisted by people at times and have caused us to get off track once in a while. However, most of the time we come back to the center of these values. Liberals seem to be programmed by the current issues and trends of the day which have little long standing value, and most likely will fail them in time.

        That is your understand George! This is what you think and what you believe George. So this is what you say and it explains why you speak and behave the way you do.

        This effort to paint a clear picture with a paint roller does little more then say “we are better them you because we hold a stronger grip on ideologies that are older then dirt, imparted to us from our family church and community for years and years and years!

        George, where do you think people that oppose some of you self proclaim ‘conservative’ views were raised and got their programming? Do you think that “opposition” was raised up in the cane breaks by an old mamma lion? Raised by a she wolf or something? The act of opposing you views automatically deserves the title of “Liberal” and unclean, no family, no church, raised by a community of heathens and infidels?

        Nobody likes change George, but things “do change” where we want them too or not. There use to be a time, where a duch bag was a common household appliance. It was used for the purpose of personable irrigation and cleaning. It was used to clear a restricted bowel , it was used by women to avoid unwanted pregnancies with marginal results. Are you trying to tell me George that you never seen one in your house when you were a child?

        People’s use of a duch bag has been replaced with newer better ways and modern medicine much like the hand crank for a Model A Ford or a rub board. You could go into 50,000 homes today and you would not find either of these things George, they have been replaced.

        We have problems, we look for a solutions. If a woman has a problem, she is looking for a solution. While you are try to tell her, she should not have the problem. That does not address her problem. You are telling her that in the 21 century with all the medical knowledge, medication, developed and refined procedures, all the laws of oversight that has been put in place to safeguard life and moral concerns there is “NO SOLUTION” available to her with her “problem”.

        This halo that you are attempt to wear is a little pretentious George.

        • George E

          Deer,

          Thanks for the response. I meant no disrespect to liberals in my response. If I offended, I apologize. I do not believe I’m any better than anyone else, including liberals, but I do see a difference in our values. Conservatives tend to hold traditional values with little flexibility while it seems to me that liberals may have the same basic values but allow them to be flexible with modern cultural trends. Change is good, but one shouldn’t change his values very much over time. Those should be strong enough to stand the test of time. Solutions are good, so long as they don’t conflict with your values.

          • Deerinwater

            LOL , No offence taken here on my part George but you need you understand when I say, “I’m the exception to the rule” , most opposition to your position on this matter is offended with you attempt to predicate your position on some perceived “Higher Moral Standards” .

            Trust me when I say, we all would want the same thing and in a perfect world, one size might well “fit-all”, we might enjoy one rigid rule. But Human drama has been with us since the beginning on time. In a perfect world, I doubt if you’d find much in the way of “drama”. It’s true that some people bring it on themselves and guilt of poor judgement, it is those people that you are attempting speak to and address ~ but just paint brushing them as all “Liberals” you are missing the mark and getting paint everywhere.

            Life has never been easy,~ have you ever viewed the movie “Sofie’s Choice”? It was set in Nazi Germany and a mother was placed in the position to where she had to choose one son over the life of another. Her decision was not reversible but swift and final. She had to smother her youngest child to keep from being found , exposed and both her and her other son killed.

            Dark times comes knocking on everyone’s door in the course of a lifetime. Sometimes any solution is greatly lacking. This is when scripture serves us best.

            “Judge ye not, less ye be judged” or As you judge, you too shall be judged.

            “Do unto other as you would have them do unto you.

            “As you treat the least among you, so too do you treat me”

            We are not being told to “not judge”, we are told to judge in such a way that we’d accept the same judgement for ourselves in our darkest hour.

          • George E

            Deer,

            Sounds like you and I share some common values. Thanks.

    • Deerinwater

      “When these elements become disconnected from each other, like our abortion laws are, the culture of a society becomes disconnected and drifts in all sorts of directions. Does this sound like any place you’re familiar with, maybe like one with the initials USA?”

      Well George; this issues has already been ruled on HOWEVER, certain smaller “ELEMENTS” inside our society refused to accept this ruling even though this RULING came from the highest court in the land. Their “CULTURE” seeks dominion over both the COURTS and the majority of Americans, stating outright their wishes are directed by a “HIGHER POWER” and it their intentions to subject all Americans to this Higher Power even if it hair lips the Devil.

      Pretty much the same thing that you yourself have offered us.

      • George E

        Deer,

        The Right isn’t doing anything the Left hasn’t, and isn’t doing. They’re all trying to influence our politicians and public at large to support their ideologies. That’s OK in our “democratic” system. The problem as I see it is that our culture has become so diverse that we can’t agree on some very important issues, and it may take many, many years before our society coalesces around a solution that a true majority can support. In the meantime, it’s going to be rough going for our society until these issues are decided by the people, not the politicians.

        • Deerinwater

          Well, George the left is not attempting to enter your bedroom. The left is not attempting to invade another human beings body and demand dominion of a woman’s uterus. The left is not insisting that all American’s acknowledge, accept and adhere to a moral code that is preached from the pulpit of a faith that celebrates human sacrifice, martyrdom with twisted notion of personal redemption while offering rewards not of this world but another world.

          The left is saying, take it home with you, that iswhere is works, where you live. What’s between you and your God is a personal thing. The left is not attempting to judge you for what you believe rather to judge you by your behavior.

          Matters of church and faith are very important to all of us. Allow the church to conduct it’s business, why should the church employ the assistance of the state?

          It’s seem that you are suggesting that the Church cannot conduct it’s affairs without government assistance, in much the same way some seem to believe that their God is so weak that he requires their assistance. let’s “Kill the baby killers” I would think an all powerful God would frown on such behavior. Someone willing to impersonate God All Might and bear judgement upon others.

          Do not permit me to make you angry, George, I would want what you yourself wants. I simply don’t agree with the way you are attempting to go about it.

          • George E

            Deer,

            I believe you may be reading more into my comments than I intended. The issue is often individual liberty versus society’s requirement for moral civility. Most of us want both individual liberty and social civility. Each of us has our own priorities and therefore lean more left or right on each issue depending on those priorities, which are sometimes driven by our sense of morality. Like it or not, many people gain their morality directly from religious teaching, and many others are indirectly influenced by these teachings through cultural training. It’s very difficult, and I would argue inappropriate, to separate people from their moral beliefs. At the same time, it’s very difficult for our society, or any society, to maintain social progress when there is no common set of moral values on which to base civil and criminal laws and regulations on. People will not allow themselves to serve laws that are in conflict with their values. That’s just human nature. There are some things even government can’t force on people.

      • Deerinwater

        “The problem as I see it is that our culture has become so diverse that we can’t agree on some very important issues, and it may take many, many years before our society coalesces around a solution that a true majority can support.”

        That is exactly as I see it as well George, we are too diverse to permit matters of faith to dominate matters of government. It a slippery slope to attempt to walk and exactly why tolerances of individual freedoms and liberties can not be under valued if we are ever hope to find an element of comfort and security in the Shire.

        We can thank may things for this diversity, the French for their gift, the wonderful and magnificent Lady Liberty that overlooks and graces one of our most important points of entry to this great land. When it comes to welcome mats, she is hard Lady to ignore.

        We can thank the Potato Famine for the Irish,

        We can thank King George III’s of England He is often remembered as “The Mad King” and “The King Who Lost America”.

        We can thank King George W. Bush for today’s heavy Muslim influence as many thousands of Muslim’s mitigated to Canada and America to escape the suffering and ravages of war brought on by his desire to be a warring President and the settling of scores. It seemed that just about any goat herder or camel driver became suspect, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, what in a name, no need of splitting hairs. Aluminium Tube? you are toast!

        Now if the American people could somehow find the tolerance to accept all this diversity , to celebrate it, to draw strength from it, diversity might be seen as a good think. Americans have done that before ~ but we were less diverse a Nation at the time. But even still, back then we where not all that great at diversity. There was the Yellow Tails, an all negro air combat wing, there was the Buffalo Soldiers before them, Then there was Ira Hays celebrated as a National WWll hero by all Americans, while all the same time his native Indian people died of hunger on the small parcel of land the Federal government had force them onto. Ira Hays drank himself to death finding it unable to swallow the hypocrisy and hide his sorrow.

        But what we find today is that “some Americans” still harbor this hate for diversity, they are intolerant and very noise about it. The term “multinational or globalist” brings pain to the ears and puts frowns of faces.

        Now, who do you suppose some of these Americans are George? So far, it appears to be the self proclaimed most “morally principled” ones among us.

        What you seem to be saying to me George, is that your don’t really care who wins out as long as it’s represents your beliefs.

        To defend the rights of the “not yet born”, while willingly compromising the rights of the born, predicated on the notion the unborn has no voice, there by justifying the far rights intolerance in some sanctimonious belief that their the God-like intervention in matters that does not personally concern them is somehow their cross to bear.

        That it is not enough for the ‘right” to enjoy their beliefs, freedoms and liberties and allow the church to do it’s good works inside the framework of it’s dominion, there must be a mandate and all must comply.

        Now, I do agree with you completely, if we cannot elevate this argument to a higher level in the search for resolve and resolution, this experiment in Democracy is in it’s final stages. The situation looks might near hopeless!

        But the good news is, This issue is little more then a political strategy used for the purpose of dividing people and it comes out like Christmas ornaments at every general election cycle. Sure,~ people care deeply about this but they would be slow to allow it to get between them and a dollar.

        • George E

          Deer,

          I agree that diversity is great and has been one of the driving forces behind the development of this country. However, another very important force has been the ability of our society to assimilate into one society with a unique American culture. I believe we’re in danger now of bringing in too many people too quickly of too many cultures to assimilate well, and that’s causing some stress on our culture. At the core of this is the differences in moralities. So long as immigrants share the same, or similar, moral values, we can assimilate pretty well over time. When there are big differences in those values and the number of immigrants is large and continuous, then problems will occur. Add to this the secular movement which would seem to be more comfortable without any religious foundations from whence most of our moralities are taught, really adds to the pressure on our culture.

  • Sputnik

    You are all jealous because we finally have a BLACK president instead of a White. And I am white.

    • angelwannabe

      Spunik, Jeaslousy, Really?__Policy has nothing to do with skin color bubba….

    • Brad

      Sputnik,

      No, we don’t have a black president he’s mulatto; any person born of white and black parents, he identifies himself as black, he can’t change the fact he’s mulatto.

    • http://google rose

      Eisenhower was our first black president. And even that doesn’t matter. Obama is just plain a destroyer of our country and that is nothing to be jealous about.

    • George E

      Sputnik,

      “Black?” I hadn’t noticed. I just see someone “leading” our country into demise.

  • http://evharris2002@yahoo.com Elia

    Answer to Doc Venture, concerning who is behind Obama’s con, conmen are difficult to discover because they have the Narcissistic Personality Distorder, Category “As If.” The person in quesion has that.

    People with the Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), Category “As If,” behave “as if” they are the way they present themselves to the public. They do that for the sole purpose of getting from others that which they want and need to advance their egocentric goals.

    Because they are conmen, they can talk others into doing things for them, directly or through manipulation. They go unnoticed in their deceit because they use charm, and use the needs of others in order to get them to willingly do things for them. That is why Obama has pulled the strings of many, and pulled the wool over the eyes of the rest. He has used the naive and trusting, and those who have a need of approval, to advance himself and to behind behind the facade of charm – the mask.

    Based on his birth ancestry, his education in a Muslim country and childhood residence, it is very clear what ethnic and religious group is behind his political position and
    “successes.” Everyone needs to think about this and remember it when you go to vote.

  • http://twitter.com/ebonycapamerica ebonycapamerica (@ebonycapamerica)

    How in heavens name can you reference this administration as “thugery”.it has been the right from the beginning of this Presidency that at first essentially declared war against President Obama with the silly mission statement that the only objective was “to see Obama fail” ….this has been played out time and again by the right as they have refused to work in a bi-partisan way to address any of the critical issues we have faces over the past three years ……it seems evident to me who the real thugs are , i wonder if the leadership on the right realizes the division they have created “on mainstreet” with the incessant hate – Obama rhetoric ?

    • Brad

      I’m sorry but ebonycapamerica your messiah has pulled the wool over your eye’s, for once just sit back and look at both side of the fence and what he has done to this country. I’m sorry but black leaders in this country have taken advantage of middle to include lower and poor blacks and turned them into welfare candidates to manipulate and control. I’m telling you the same thing happens to middle and poor whites the same way, these same old snake oil scharlittens painting a rosey picture just to get your vote. Do you agree with this administrations spending us down the road to the tune of 5 plus trillion dollars and counting in deficit spending in less then 3 1/2 years. It too Bush 8 year’s to spend just over 4 trillion and half that cost came at his last two year’s. That’s right, in 07 when the RATS finally too control of congress they spent us 2.3 trillion into the hole. As we all know congress controls the purse strings of the country, but why didn’t Bush just veto each spending bill, he couldn’t the rats had the votes to over ride a presidential veto. Please do your homework, then post after reviewing both the pros and cons of each canndidate, you’ll be a wiser person for it.

      • Deerinwater

        Brad say; “. It too Bush 8 year’s to spend just over 4 trillion and half that cost came at his last two year’s.”

        Right! and he did not buy a thing that we could use and basically allowed the nation to go to hell while our military dealt with two unfunded wars and soldiers and cilivians died while Dick Chaney’s black Opt’s dug and snooped around Iraq looking for future mineral extraction possibilities.

        “W’s” administration took America and American’s to the cleaners and started something he wasn’t man enough to know how to finish. The Nation took a serious downturn after 6 years of mishandling and abuse.

        Much was in need of timely address by Feb. 2009 , we were sinking! While the GOP was arguing about what was for dinner and the window treatments at their K Street love nest.

    • Deerinwater

      “How in heavens name can you reference this administration as “thugery”.it has been the right from the beginning of this Presidency that at first essentially declared war against President Obama with the silly mission statement that the only objective was “to see Obama fail” ”

      Oh! It gets much worse then that around here! There isn’t a law of man or God, Obama not been acquiesced of breaking. His Cabinet members are Czars you know? YES! Him and Holder were both genetically crafted by aliens years ago with social organizing skills so far advance that it’s nothing to turn every white man in America into a shoe shine boy by just listening to him. So we must not listen! Cover your ears and wear a tin foil hat!

      Resistance is Futile! We will be assimilated! Oh dear! 4 more years and we’ll all be getting paid in watermelons and shining shoes.

      Welcome to Fiction Creative Writing 101.

  • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

    This whole deal reminds me of the Titanic. This ship is on a collision course with something far bigger than a mere iceberg and it is due to sink and hopefully it’ll go down with all of the rotten rats that try to control it. I know that there aren’t enough life boats either.

  • Chisna

    Bob Livingston seems to be the most pathetic of them all.
    Hearsay from WND regarding supposed threats against Chelsea Clinton ? He’s calling what Obama said a attack on the SCOTUS, knowing full well the attacks on the liberal justices by the previous administration. And sympathizing with Trayvons parents and asking that we get to the bottom of what really happened when a unarmed teen was shot and killed is wrong ?

    How low are you willing to go Bob ?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Chisna,

      You write: “Hearsay from WND regarding supposed threats against Chelsea Clinton ?” These are quotes from people who claim to have witnessed, heard or been party to these events and are legitimate until someone proves those being quoted are lying.

      You write: “He’s calling what Obama said a attack on the SCOTUS, knowing full well the attacks on the liberal justices by the previous administration.” I am no defender of the previous administration, but I do not recall “attacks on the liberal justices.” Please enlighten me.

      You write: “And sympathizing with Trayvons parents and asking that we get to the bottom of what really happened when a unarmed teen was shot and killed is wrong ?” Non sequitur.

      You write: “How low are you willing to go Bob ?” The truth is often a difficult thing to accept, especially for those confined by conventional wisdom and suffering from cognitive dissonance.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • ARIC

        Bob, I for one applaud your work. Listen not to the lib-tards for they know not of what they speak!
        “It’s not that liberals are ignorant, it’s just they know so much that isn’t so.”
        -Ronald Reagan

      • angelwannabe

        Bob, Our son and I had a similar conversation yesterday over Easter dinner, it seems those (not all) with a college mindset, who have the most difficulty thinking without a (professor) or someone else guiding their thoughts. A lot of folks just can’t think on they’re own outside the box, and it pathetic__ there is just no other way to put it!

    • wordwaryor

      Chisna …… Investigate and determine what happened OK. The police actually initially arrested Zimmerman …. but had nothing to hold him on. Zimmerman actually lost track of Trayvon …. and had given up the chase. Zimmerman was walking between houses … going to the front of the house to get an address to relay to the 911 dispatcher for the police to have a point address to come to. At this point Trayvon apparently confronted Zimmerman…. and the scuffle ensued.

      If Zimmerman’s nose was broken by a pre-emptive strike from Trayvon, and Zimmerman’s head was being bashed into the pavement ….. he acted in self defense. If he initiated any action when confronted, that led to the scuffle – he has culpability. But how would you ever prove that ?

      Remember in our system of justice, Zimmerman is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty …. and NOT the other way around. The current Media Lynch Mob has presumed Guilt not Innocence ….. and that is quite simply WRONG WRONG WRONG !

      Calls for Zimmermans arrest “Dead or Alive” by Black Panthers …. is also quite WRONG !

      Let law enforcement do their job without injecting prejudice into it, or leave it alone.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        wordwaryor, what you describe here is a classical definition of a democracy in action: lynch mob rule. Our rule of law rightly says that we are innocent until proven guilty no matter what the lynch mob has to say about it. I agree that we should give the law a chance to work but, that takes some time and the lynch mob media has no patience.

    • Bluebluesdancer

      When your paycheck comes from the 2% at the top what woudl you expect other than slime at the bottom of the barrel and lies to prop up their specious arguments.
      I find it totally amazing that people like Bob Livingston have the gall to make claims that are totally untrue, and easily proven on-line… and that the people on this website have been so manipulated that they cannot even locate the information that demonstrates how ineffective the past Republican administrations have been and how, on the other hand, the only administrations that have run this country successfuly have been the Democrats!
      I suspect that many are still under the spell of the “Trickle-down” theory which has been proven over and over again, worldwide, to be complete bunk and a disastrous economic system for every country that has been convinced to try it!
      Just look at the results (if you can figure out how to use the internet!).

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Bluebuesdancer,

        You write: “When your paycheck comes from the 2% at the top what woudl you expect other than slime at the bottom of the barrel and lies to prop up their specious arguments.” Where do you think my paycheck comes from?

        You write: “I find it totally amazing that people like Bob Livingston have the gall to make claims that are totally untrue, and easily proven on-line…” Then please do so.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • michaeljbeglinjr

    ROBERT SMITH and FLASHY: You 2 MUST be getting paid to support Obama. He is, without a doubt, the worst President in our nation’s history. For someone that supposedly taught Constitutional law, I don’t think Obama has even read the document. He is the epitome of arrogance. Every promise he made to the electorate during his campaign has been broken. EVERY ONE. Obama is a liar, pure and simple. He lied to get where he is, and will keep lying to try to stay there. I will be AMAZED if the Liar-in-Chief manages to get re-elected. If he does, our country’s future, and our civil liberties, will be in serious jeopardy. He has already trashed parts of our Constitution. With the passage of the last NDAA, most of our politicians, including Obama, should have been impeached and tried for treason. For the sake of our country and our children’s future, Obama must NOT get re-elected.

  • Lisa

    This is one of the most pathetic things I have ever read. You are free to disagree with President Obama’s policies or his vision, that is democracy, but wow…you republicans will believe anything you read or hear that supports what you WANT to believe. The problem with most of this is not that you disagree with President Obama’s policies it’s that you lack any fact or intellect in your arguments. Step away from FOX News and actually know what you are talking about before you open your mouths.

    • Raggs

      president MY ARSE!!!!

      The only title I will give him is DICTATOR…

      • angelwannabe

        Rgs, Man O Man, the the Libs are out trolling for suckers today__ =P

    • Brad

      Lisa,

      Know your facts before commenting not all information is gleemed from Fox News. Quit making yourself look like the perverbial horses azz…

    • Bluebluesdancer

      Thanks Lisa! Well said!

    • michaeljbeglinjr

      It’s sad to hear from people that still have faith in Obama. If you weren’t in denial, you would realize that he has broken EVERY promise he made to us during his campaign.

      He is doing his best to shred our Constitution, yet some of you still trust him. He is a liar. Nothing more, nothing less.

      He should be impeached for the last NDAA, the Fast and Furious operation, the ways he ignores Congress with his “recess appointments”, and trying to sign us up onto the U.N. Small arms Bill.

      Obama is the worst President this country has ever had forced on us, and it sickens me to think that some of you will STILL vote for him again. That is just plain stupid.

      I will vote for a brain-dead Republican in a coma before I vote for our Liar-in-Chief again. Yes, I am ashamed to say that I fell for his BS during the last election. If McCain had had anybody but Palin running with him I would have voted for him.

      The only way I will vote for Obama again in this upcoming election is if the Democrats take my family hostage.

  • wordwaryor

    We have gotten into this current MESS in America in two ways. First we Compromised our way into this morass. We compromised with Liberal Leftists and Democrats and ended up here and headed in totally the wrong direction (Away from America). We MUST STOP this insane process. It is insane becaue we keep doing it and expecting a different result. NO MORE COMPROMISE. We must now stand firm on our ground and yield no more to the ruin of our great nation.

    The second way we got here is by standing silent while our government operates OUTSIDE the boundaries set by the Constitution. Like Obamacare, government has tread upon our Liberties that are guaranteed by the Constitution. Obamacare is Un-Constitutional and should be struck down. SCOTUS should hit the RESET button and send it back to Congress.

    From now on, We the People must stand firm and demand that our government get back to the Constitutional limits set for it. We should be loud and vociferous in this quest. We should demand that government eliminate its past sins against the Constitution by eliminating agencies, bureacracies and whole departments if necessary.

    No more mister nice quite citizen …… we must rise up as did the Tea Party and stand firm.

    It’s time for the Second American Revolution ….. to restore America and the Constitution !!

  • http://yahoo Lynn

    Here the republicans wining and crying about every little that the president does. As elected officials do your jobs that you elected for. And this goes for the democrats as well do your job that you elected for and serve the people of this country and that goes all elected officials.

    • Brad

      Lynn,

      Then we the people need to hold our elected officials to their perverbial campaign promises and to the oath they took when entering the office we elected them to. We don’t send people to congress for their own personal gain but in todays political climate some politicians believe it’s their right, being in congress. In my opinion Ohmama is the worst president we ever had, his policies are killing America financialy with the Fed pumping worthless dollars into the economy. Watch out for hyper-inflation, then we’ll have China dump all their dollars witch will kill the US dollar as we know it. You just go right ahead and believe in your messiah, as far as I care he is as stupid as stupid does.

  • linda

    unreal dont you all see what obama is , he is deceving and a liar get him out before its to late for all of us

  • bigjeff1

    If a semi-educated person starts by reading the article and then reads the comments, they would be convinced that there are some seriously naive and disturbed folks out there who have nothing better to do with their lives than invent a reality they can then use to vent their repressed fears, anxieties, and anger. This is all nonsense, you know.

  • http://lenmilleresq.wordpress.com lenmilleresq

    Your fantasies are remarkable. Mr. Livingston, I suggest to you that you stop misleading your readers. I do not understand your agenda, but, it appears that you have no interest in the betterment of our country nor in the betterment of mankind. You seem to have one agenda and one only and that is to bash President Obama– even if he speaks in the Conservative agenda.

    You should inform your readers that Cap and Trade was a conservative, Republican idea. The hated “socialistic” individual mandate was a proposal from the ultra conservative Heritage Foundation and supported in Republican legislation sponsored by that noted socialist, Orrin Hatch. Newt spoke favorably at least through 2008. Please — if there is thuggery– it comes from misinformation spewed by the likes of you who cannot stand that Obama is President and doing a darn good job.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear lenmilleresq,

      You write: “Your fantasies are remarkable. Mr. Livingston, I suggest to you that you stop misleading your readers.” I encourage you to refute the facts I presented, which are all sourced.

      You write: “I do not understand your agenda, but, it appears that you have no interest in the betterment of our country nor in the betterment of mankind.” I encourage you to read my columns and you will learn that my agenda is to return us to Constitutional governance and to warn my readers of the intentional destruction of the middle class and the coming economic collapse that is being orchestrated by the elites through the Federal Reserve and fascist government system.

      You write: “You seem to have one agenda and one only and that is to bash President Obama– even if he speaks (sic) in the Conservative agenda.” I am reporting the truth about Obama. And please enlighten me: When has Obama ever spoken “in the Conservative agenda?”

      You write: “You should inform your readers that Cap and Trade was a conservative, Republican idea.” This is a non sequitur. But while some Republicans have endorsed cap and trade, they are not conservatives.

      You write: “The hated “socialistic” individual mandate was a proposal from the ultra conservative Heritage Foundation and supported in Republican legislation sponsored by that noted socialist, Orrin Hatch. Newt spoke favorably at least through 2008.” The Heritage Foundation is not ultra conservative. It is a tool of the CFR, and therefore the NWO.

      You write: “Please — if there is thuggery– it comes from misinformation spewed by the likes of you who cannot stand that Obama is President and doing a darn good job.” You are correct in saying that I cannot stand that Obama is President. However the only way in which he is doing “a darn good job” is in awakening a sleeping populace that is finally coming to realize what I have been writing about since 1969: that the U.S. government is growing more authoritarian every day.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • Bluebluesdancer

      Absolutely correct, Sir! This website is full of easily provable lies, and is designed by the wealthy (just look at the ads to figure out who is behind it) to promote the propaganda that will turn us all into the gullible slaves that the 400 people at the top need in order to keep making pots of money while the rest of us (i.e. everyone OTHER THAN the top 400 people in the country…Yes! This mean YOU!) have our rights and hard-won liberties taken away by twisted logics! It is sick!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Bluebluesdancer says: “Absolutely correct, Sir! This website is full of easily provable lies, and is designed by the wealthy…”

        Bluebluesdancer, of course you’re free to easily prove” the lies, which you cannot. Could your “mystical” insight shed some light on the wealthy website designer?

        By your inane comment, can I take a shot in the dark here and say that you consider yourself to be a member of the highly educated OWS 99%’rs?

      • eddie47d

        Jeff’s so attached to the 1% he’ll have to go in for surgery to have himself separated. The 1% (actually closer to 2%) control our lives,what we buy,who they sell to,who we vote for,how clean our surroundings are, who to like and dislike,what countries we can and can’t do business with yet Jeff still can’t pull himself away from their power. That 2% owns him lock stock and barrel. and the merry go round continues.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I don’t know about you Jeff, but the closer we get to the elections, the more desperately the progressive lemmings seem to be behaving. They obviously smell defeat, and may fear the revelation that Obama is not the Messiah, more than they fear the loss of their free entitelments.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Jay, there’s no question that there are more 1st timer “Progressive” lemmings commenting on this website every day. Fortunately, there are some very saavy regulars that quicky “mark” them. Most will move on, others will come and some, like falsy and RS will keep their “buzz” going.

        Oh well, I guess it’s just the price of doing business

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Well one thing’s for sure Jeff, the fact that they’re here, applying their best efforts to discredit, and disparage Mr. Livingston, and the rest of the PLD staff, is a GOOD sign, to be sure! The near-do-well lemmings just don’t get it; their personal attacks only serve to confirm the credibility of the PLD staff. Otherwise, they just wouldn’t bother. They are
        clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted–twice dead.

        • Bluebluesdancer

          Me:Absolutely correct, Sir! This website is full of easily provable lies, and is designed by the wealthy (just look at the ads to figure out who is behind it) to promote the propaganda that will turn us all into the gullible slaves that the 400 people at the top need in order to keep making [...]
          You:Well one thing’s for sure Jeff, the fact that they’re here, applying their best efforts to discredit, and disparage Mr. Livingston, and the rest of the PLD staff, is a GOOD sign, to be sure! The near-do-well lemmings just don’t get it; their personal attacks only serve to confirm the credibility of the PLD staff. Otherwise, they just wouldn’t bother. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted–twice dead.

          Me: Thanks for the sweet-talk and the reassurance that you understood what I was talking about…(not!). I would love to hang around and chat more, since usually I find Right-Wing Dictatorship websites to be exhilarating and fun, but in this case… mmm… not so much. The word that pops into my mind is actually ‘boring’, since the only person given any credence is Bob Livingstone, who is unfortunately part of the white-bigoted-hate-group that is at the base of so much of what is wrong with this country.
          Stammering Kate obviously has a lot of problems and it breaks my heart, although I’m glad to see that she has somewhere to spout her nasty bigoted and mean-spirited comments so that she has at least one place where she feels ‘at home’, with you guys.

      • Kate8

        Blue – You are yet another example of people who are incapable of original thought.

        I hate to break this to you, but absolutely NOTHING is PROVABLE online or anywhere else. If you did not witness it firsthand, you do not know, and are relying on the word of someone else.

        It boils down to credibility. Look at what people have to gain or lose. Look at party politics, PR, and any other contributing factor.

        People who dare speak against Obama do so at great risk to themselves and their families. There is nothing to be gained from democrat campaigners speaking what they know of rigging elections and people who stood up to O ending up dead. Their only motive could be telling the truth because Americans need to know what we’re up against.

        I can give you many examples, but you wouldn’t listen. I could give you links, but they won’t come from the places you frequent.

        If you don’t look on all sides and think for yourself, then you only have a very biased view. Where there is smoke there is fire, and it’s unbelievable that you think none of it could be true. People don’t risk their lives to slander. Only to get the truth out when our nation is in grave jeopardy.

        Think about that.

  • Bluebluesdancer

    Jack Ryan… an evil man.”On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans’ divorce records should be opened to the public, and ruled that a court-appointed referee would later decide which custody files should remain sealed to protect the interests of Ryan’s young child.[7] The following week, on April 2, 2004, Barack Obama formally established his position about the Ryans’ soon-to-be-released divorce records, and called on Democrats not to inject them into the campaign.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_%28politician%29
    Blair Hull… the kind of man we need as a democratic society, a man who is willing to put his money where his mouth is.
    “Blair Hull is personally credited with buffering the crash of Black Monday in 1987 when he bought the bottom of the market and restored liquidity and confidence to the panicked financial markets. Trader Monthly recognized him for having executed one of “The 40 Greatest Trades of All Time,” and Worth Magazine named him one of “Wall Street’s 25 Smartest Players.””
    This article is ridiculous! Anyone who still subscribes to the idea that Obama is not a US citizen, or that he is a terrorist, is obviously an uneducated bigot, and I would like them to show me their birth certificate and to prove to me that it is not a fake. Get real! If he was not a legal representative we democrats would not want him as our Democratic President either. We are far more logical, educated, intelligent and practical than you Republicans and prefer to do things legally, unlike you fascists who are trying to turn this country back into “The Land of Slaves” where you are including everyone who makes less than a million dollars in your ‘service group’ who will have no rights. What you don’t seem to comprehend is that extreme Conservatism (or Corporatism as it has become) has the same effect as Communism on the Rights of a society. In Communism, the government takes away the rights of the people to vote and to make changes in policy, makes sure that everyone has a job, even if it is a pointless job simply created to make that person appear to be employed, and raises taxes so that everyone has the basics fr survival.
    In Corporatism, the wealthy manipulate and buy “Lawmakers’ so that laws are enacted or changed to benefit them. These laws remove the safety measures that were instigated by our Founding Fathers to protect us from what we had experienced in Europe. By removing said protections, we would be going back to ‘The Dark Ages’, where it was every man for himself. This is fine for the wealthy and influential, but it bodes ill for Everyman who will end up with none of the hard-won protections that so many loyal Americans died to uphold.
    The People will end-up working for Monopolies such as Walmart, who think nothing of blackmailing their employees to vote the way they want, which is detrimental to the employee.
    There is so much more to this than you obviously understand, and I am afraid for you and for myself if you get your way.
    You think you are an American… but you are not if you vote for the 1%… you are a traitor to everything that is American.

    • http://lenmilleresq.wordpress.com lenmilleresq

      Thank yu for bringing some sanity to the discussion.

    • GM

      Typical Alinsky technique- change the subject, talk about anything but the facts. The facts are that Obama has not even proven his eligibility to run for office, that he has engaged in the lowest tactics, that he is totally unsuitable for the job because of his enmity to American laws, Constitution, tradition, hopes, dreams, customs, mores, ambitions, etc. It would take a book to describe all that. Start here: http://colony14.net.

      The Maricopa County Sheriff’s office has recently confirmed private source conclusions that his “birth certificate” is an outrageous forgery. Even you could tell if you actually looked at it. Actually, no birth certificate was ever submitted to the american public or to non-Obot experts for vetting. All that was provided was a manufactured digital image on a web site, admissible in no court in the land.
      http://obamaballotchallenge.com/more-news-on-3-31-12-arpaio-investigation-press-conference-on-obama-ineligibility

      So, stop your absurd, distracting propaganda, open your eyes and LEARN the truth.

    • Kate8

      Blue – Another ridiculous rant.

      You libs continue to ignore the fact that Obama’s funding and marketing has come from the same corporate powers you rail against. He is no man of the people. He is the puppet of the 1% you decry. And well you should. They have taken over our country.

      Do some research on the New World Order, the House of Rothschild, and Bilderberg. How about the CFR, Tri-lateral Commission, and others. Though many have been laughed at for warning of this for decades, myself included, it is now right out in the open. In fact, it is here, and both the right and left are controlled by it.

      Wall Street was one of O’s biggest supporters. THINK, if you still can, and stop parroting leftist talking points.

  • http://yahoo IzzyO

    What a bunch of crap. The sad part of all this is that there are so many people who are gullible or just plain stupid. As I always said since Obama was elected, many white folks just cannot accept the fact that there is a Black Man in the White House (Republicans and Democrats).

    • http://lenmilleresq.wordpress.com lenmilleresq

      Unfortuantely you are correct.

    • wordwaryor

      Izzy …. I could care less that he is black, blue or purple. What I care about are the following:

      1 A democracy is NOT what our nation is. We are a Constitutional Republic.
      2 His record is Dismal
      3 He is operating like a tyrant – outside the Constitution – circumventing Congress
      4 He is arrogant
      5 His Obamacare was a blatant power grab over 1/6th of the economy, it was NOT a bleeding heart measure about health care
      6 His foreign policy (if he ever had one) is so far a dismal failure
      7 His betrayal of Israel is very dangerous
      8 He was wrong about the Arab Spring – it is a danger to America…. and he helped initate and support it
      9 He appears intent on further betrayal of America’s security (his PRIME responsibility as President) ….. apparently willing to trade or negotiate away our security with deference to Russian and to unilaterally disarm the USA He has already crippled our military budget for decades to come while China and Russia are ramping up their militaries
      10 He has trounced on civil liberties guaranteed by the Constitution – religious freedom and birth control provided by Catholics (example)
      11 Gas prices are at $ 4 to $ 5 per gallon — he refused the Keystone Pipeline, and has hindered and delayed drilling in the Gulf and on Federal lands ….
      12 He is a Liar …… a repeated liar to the people. He says one thing …. and does the opposite and never acknowledges his errors

      I could go on ………. but why ?

      These are the things we don’t like about Barack Obama …… the color of his skin is NOT one of them !!

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        WELL SAID!!

    • ARIC

      IzzyO,
      It’s not that he’s black, it’s that he’s an F’N communist!!!

    • Void1972

      IzzyO
      As I have stated in the past, this future will come to light because of millions of ignorant people like you living in America.
      A hundred years from now, when the world population is under one billion people, and the only religion on the planet will be obamanism, the new world bible will tell the story about how obama was sent from the father (Lucifer), and brought back millions from the dead to become the King of America and create the new world order (hell).
      His religion will last for two thousand years and teach man the sin of abandoning God. Not until the sons of the sons of the sons tenfold will the earth be cleansed of our current sins. Until the one and only true Messiah, Jesus Christ, returns to expel satan to hell for eternity and make mankind true believers in his father, humans will suffer the obamanation they have brought upon themselves!
      The only possible way this anti-American, anti-God slime can be reelected is by corrupt false voting. I will happen.
      God Bless and support those who fight for your last hope of mankind! America!

      • Bluebluesdancer

        Christianity:
        The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…
        Makes Perfect Sense!!

        • RichE

          Bluebluesdancer,
          “His own father” That’d imply he knew his mother. I can’t imagine how that’ll be explained.

          • Bluebluesdancer

            God the Father and God the Son… it’s that book… you know the one.

      • angelwannabe

        …and what is it that you believe, that something magically blew up and “poofed” together a bunch of molecules to produce an intricate human body__which is laughable.

      • ARIC

        Well blueballdancer,
        It’s better than being stupid and believing in nothing!!!

        • Bluebluesdancer

          “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours”
          *Stephen Roberts*

    • Bluebluesdancer

      Hear, hear, IzzyO. It is incredible that there are so many bigots in this country, who claim to be ‘Christians’ and yet have no understanding of the basic message that their supposed leader gave in their favorite book “The Bible”! Hypocrites, all of them!

      • Kate8

        Blue – Again, you are a prime example of the bigotry you accuse others of.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        If only he could see that you are only trying to help him, Kate!

  • Carl Manning

    Check out what Mikhail Kryzhanovsky, a former KGB intelligence officer and “Nabat”(anti-terror group sniper assassin), turned CIA agent, turned American patriot has to say about Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Leon Panetta, John Deutch, Senator Lugar (apparently a KGB oprative), the possible murder of FDR by ex-Nazi Gestapo chief, Muller, the CIA murder of Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana’s murder, RFK’s murder, and John Kennedy Jr.’s murder. The Clintons and Obama were/are KGB plants in the US government. Obama’s current handler is an SVR(formerly KGB intelligence) officer, Mikhail Fradkov. Obama has become the first “illegal” Russian spy to become President of the United States; Bill Clinton was the first “legal” Russian spy to make it. Hillary, another KGB agent, received her appointment as Secretary of State at the request of Obama’s KGB handler, Mikhail Fradkov. This arrangement would allow Bill Clinton, another KGB agent, to guide Obama in the Presidency. Here’s another bombshell for you: “He knows perfectly well that Barack Hussein Obama Sr. is not his biological father. Actually, his father is Frank Marshal Davis, a photographer and Obama’s mother lover.” Here’s another tidbit: “If we talk about “legal plants”, KGB (and modern Russian SVR) loves to recruit Harvard, Yale and Columbia students and “push” them to the top of American politics – US Congress, the White House, the Cabinet.”
    Prepare to have your mind blown. You’ll never see America in the same light ever again. Welcome to reality…

    http://www.pooler-georgia-homepage.com/mikhail-kryzhanovsky.html

    • http://counterintelligence2012.wordpress.com antikryzh

      Mikhail Kryzhanovsky – an aging loser, composed in connection with the KGB USSR as an informant-snitch “Konstantin”.
      In 1995, seeking a better life, he moved to the U.S. Currently living in New York without citizenship and certain occupations.

      On the network Mikhailo is represented as “brilliant superspy”, “the most powerful (dangerous) spy in the world”, “eminent political scientist of world renown”, “the founder of Applied Political Science”, “author of the top political management”, “founder of the online Institute U.S. national security”, which “could become the president of Russia” and has become a “US president de facto”, etc.
      Positioning itself as a “connoisseur” and “expert” on the widest range of issues, “Who rules USA: Obama or Kryzhanovsky?”, “Gestapo Muller-alive. Mysteries KGB”, “Vladimir Vysotsky – a KGB agent”, “Secrets of the KGB” , “The Murder of Bill Clinton: CIA plot”, “How to Kill Obama?” etc. balderdash.
      In addition, according to Kryzhanovsky, he is the “author of special handbook for the White House, which is used by U.S. presidents since 1996 and taught in 350 universities around the world”.
      Misha loves to publish delusional thoughts about how he was nearly “became the president of Russia” and is already “the U.S. president de facto”, as U.S. presidents since 1996, allegedly used his “political science” research. I mean the book “White House Special Handbook”. “… The first world’s presidential handbook of Kryzhanovsky “White House Special Handbook” studied in the 300-universities – you can check” (M. Kryzhanovsky).

      Mikhailo publish as: tom7, kevinmonroe7, Tom7391, Claudia71402, whitehouseKGB, governtruther, kevinos7, stevejohnson, tom smith, Tom77, Anonymous, Trembita, mike, Ivan, Tom_S5664, ivan7, claudiaberk, stevejohnson7, Alex, Ivan Sosnov.
      Only on YouTube Kryzhanovsky uses four accounts: whitehouseKGBru, Tom7391, 7stevejohnson, Claudia714.
      TYPE “Mikhail Kryzhanovsky” (OR “Михаил Крыжановский″) IN ANY SEARCH ENGINE. And then you can endlessly flipping his miserable fabrications about “true” stories, empty and lengthy discourse on various topics, from “Mikhail Kryzhanovsky – the most dangerous spy in the world” – http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1673934/pg1 to “Alla Pugacheva peed in the KGB” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHBk35dSebI.

      In addition, Mikhail argues that he has “extraordinary psychic and healing abilities”.
      He has posted on the network many videos-session “cure for cancer”:
      http://rutube.ru/tracks/4114756.html?v=c2d34450f81021c5cc0eb11155dbce64
      http://rutube.ru/tracks/4114759.html?v=597d70b5c265e246f7ad3f81a06b36d5

      And finally, “Papic Kryzhanovsky” is a great original and mischief. He is very partial to women’s loins …
      And therefore file sharing and photo hosting scores such masterpieces:
      “Mikhail Kryzhanovsky and his whores” – http://www.sitefile.org/showimage/9/kryzhanovsky.htm
      “2012: Raquel Welch for Mikhail Kryzhanovsky, not Obama!” – http://www.flickr.com/photos/8038654@N03/6155047613/in/photostream

  • Hardy Wright

    Why is there an Obama campaign ad on this page?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So when you look at it, you will remind yourself not to vote for O.

  • GM

    If the thug thinks it’s OK to illegally steal court records, bribe and blackmail to get himself elected, then he shouldn’t mind if we raise little derails like his proven ineligibility to even run for office:

    http://obamaballotchallenge.com/more-news-on-3-31-12-arpaio-investigation-press-conference-on-obama-ineligibility

    … his gay affairs:

    Google: Larry Sinclair, Nathan Spence, Larry Bland, Man’s Country Club in Chicago, Down-Low Club

    http://constitutionalreset.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-larry-sinclair-new-hampshire-herald-threats-money

    and murky origins:
    http://colony14.net

  • Meteorlady

    So in my State, Texas, Hillary was ahead in the poles and she won handily in the primary elections. But since the Democrats have what is called the “Texas Two Step” we also have caucuses AFTER the primary. Obama came out the winner and the Democratic delegates backed him at the convention. Talk about fishy…..

  • John and June Larsen

    “There’s nothing that keeps it’s youth, so far as I know, but a tree and truth.”
    –Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
    TRUTH is something Obama and his “handlers” lack. Most of everything Obama has said since 2008 — has been a lie. In fact we’re beginning to see that most of his entire life has been a lie!!
    98% of everything the Democrats and Obama have done since the “January 2008 Error” is UNConstitutional!!
    “tHE TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM!!”

  • http://google gods man

    god well put who he want in the whiite house could be him

    • GM

      Using that logic, He installed Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim and Pol Pot, to, so why not “Obama,” eh?

  • Jimbo

    Change the letters around in Obama’s name and you get:

    Aboma A*bo”ma, n. (Zool.)
    A large South American serpent ({Boa aboma).
    [1913 Webster] Abomasum

    Could this guy be the anti-christ?

  • Ladyhawke

    Mr. Livingston,

    Why the obama for America campaign ad on you site? Moochelle’s face makes me want to puke.

  • northbrook

    If this is half true then I really worry about what OBAMA might stoop to in order to remain President.

    God help us if this does happen.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

    Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

    1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.

    2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “How dare you?” gambit.

    3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.” (If they tend to believe the “rumors” it must be because they are simply “paranoid” or “hysterical.”)

    4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

    5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nutcase,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and, of course, “rumor monger.” Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the “more reasonable” government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own “skeptics” to shoot down.

    6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

    7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

    8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”

    9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hangout route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

    10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

    11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster “suicide” note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

    12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

    13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

    14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as “bump and run” reporting.

    15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the “facts” furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

    16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges “expose” scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

    AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST!!!!!!!!

    17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, “What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?” Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

  • James Johnson

    Obama in a gay bath house? He’s the antichrist? Come on people. Really?

  • Mike Young

    I don’t have the education that most of you have, don’t know alot about the law. Just let me say, I don’t like the current admin. because I believe that Mr. Obama is a thug and a socialist, but I believe that the real problem is our congress that won;t make a decision that is right for the American people.They don’t even try to pass a buget that can help make us solid. They are most of our problem… They are paid way to much, but might vote themselves a raise today. They will all agree on that.They go into office with money in thier pockets, and leave owning the bank. Talk about being out of touch. We give them way to much to serve We The People, or is it we the congress, do what we say people. That’s what Mike says.

    • James Johnson

      Amen Mike! Amen.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Nice try acting the part of a simple man.

  • Karol

    We knew the Clintons were bad but this pretender to the Presidency is purely evil…a man of lawlessness. If this account is true, wonder how the Clintons felt being on the receiving end of threats and “politics” as and beyond the usual? Why did Hil accept Secretary of State from someone that threatened to kill her daughter? Why did she not run araw from this evil?

  • Randy G

    In the third paragraph Obama unseals others records. DO the same thing to his. He has NO right to seal them.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    On April 5, as expected, Obama signed the Jump-start Our Business Start-ups Act (the JOBS Act).

    Again, America’s 99% was betrayed. Overwhelming bipartisan House and Senate support backed the measure. The bill does nothing to create jobs. It facilitates greater fraud. America’s race to the bottom continues.

    Wall Street’s again celebrating, and why not. Only bankers could love this type bill. They had to. They wrote it. It opens greater avenues for grand theft.

    The SEC long ago abandoned its regulatory mandate. Under financial industry insider Mary Schapiro, it’s in safe hands. Her job just got easier. The bill eliminates SEC reporting requirements for enterprises with annual revenues up to $1 billion.

    The implications are obvious. Not only will big fish steal freely, so will smaller ones.

    The measure also makes it easier for companies to raise oversight-free capital online. They can have up to 1,000 investors without providing the SEC financial data. In addition, they can solicit them more freely. It’s similar to how drug giants promote toxic products. Users have no idea what they’re getting.

    Former bank regulator/financial fraud expert Bill Black called the measure “insane on many levels. It creates an extraordinarily criminogenic environment in which securities fraud will become even more out of control.”

    Leading up to passage, back room dealmaking ignored expert anti-fraud input. The best, brightest, and most honest independent analysts unanimously condemned the bill. Black calls it “the sick face of crony capitalism.”

    Matt Taibbi’s “The Great American Bubble Machine” called Goldman Sachs “a great vampire squid wrapped around the fact of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells money.”

    In fact, it’s much worse. Wall Street and other FIRE sector (finance, insurance, real estate) giants together comprise the GREATEST “vampire squid.” They’re all the stronger by Washington’s complicit role.

    Their business model is grand theft. They’re crime families, not legitimate enterprises. They make money by stealing it. They wreck economies, communities, and households. Corrupt politicians let them. They’re bribed to go along. As bad as things are, they’re getting worse.

    On April 5, The New York Times headlined, “Obama Signs Bill to Promote Start-Up Investments,” saying:

    Surrounded by complicit lawmakers and industry crooks, Obama signed the JOBS Act. He called it a “potential game changer.” The Times article went along with the charade.

    http://www.cjournal.info/2012/04/07/obama-authorizes-greater-wall-street-theft/

    • Bluebluesdancer

      Now here I agree with you, Jay. I think that any Bill that gives MORE breaks to the top 2% of this country is contrary to any logical way of thinking. Anyone with only two braincells to rub together should be able to comprehend that in order to cover the cost of your bills you have to provide the money to pay them. The Republcans, unfortunately, have never been very good at Math (evidence = the past 35 years that they have been in office and the mammoth failure of their ‘trickle-down’ theory).
      Here was a bill that should never have been passed, but because it gave tax breaks to the wealthy, it was allowed to pass by the Republicans who could (and should) have stopped it in it’s tracks.
      Yet more proof that Republicans are only out to help the obscenely rich and care absolutely noting about the country itself.

      • angelwannabe

        “Anyone with only two braincells to rub together ” also should understand, there is a distinct difference of the puppet show put on Washington for our benefit, and the agenda they really go by__

        “Anyone with only two braincells to rub together ” should realize we’re governed by the US Corporation, they have they’re own Constitution, which isn’t aligned with the original.

        “Anyone with only two braincells to rub together ” should realize the US Corporation is a business, a business of making money.

        “Anyone with only two braincells to rub together ” would step outside the box and read on its own, and decide the truth_ unless of course it has and “Agenda” of its own…..

        • Bluebluesdancer

          I think we are on the same page. Let’s get rid of The Fed, and The ECB and the People’s Bank of China. It would require each area (US, Europe and China) to simultaneously revolt against their banking systems, but getting rid of the ‘middle-man’ is the only way to get us out of this ridculous ‘debt-system’ that just means that as long as we continue to invest in it, will continue to drag us down further an further. There is NO WAY that we could EVER reduce the debt based on the current system, In fact it will eventually consume our ENTIRE GDP and there ll be nothing left to use to run the country!
          Lincoln created, and used, a different “debt-free” system, breaking away from the banks that we had always used. The civil war is the only war EVER to have been run and won without using the traditonal banking system, and the ONLY war that left the country with NO DEBT at the end of the war. Unfortunately (and strangely!) Lincoln was assassinated just as he was in the process of making the system permanent, and the banks then took over again. JFK also tried to move us away from The Fed (but he was also assassinated). :-)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        First BBd, let’s get rid of Obama…

  • Thinking About

    I am surprised you continue to use Sheriff Joe as one of your sources since he stated a birth certificate may be a fraud. He is off running to locate something on the birth certificate may be fraud and I doubt he ever spent one hour locating any one who was alive and around when Obama was born in Hawaii because it would prove Obama is a citizen. He fails to investigate the sexual assaults in his district and has a backlog of some 400 of these cases but does not investigate what he is supposed to be doing. Hero, never when he negilects his duty to investigate these sexual assault cases, it makes him a zero.

    • ARIC

      Hey thinkabout-it,
      There’s a difference between being a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”. They’re not saying Obo’s not a citizen, he is NOT the latter. His father was not a US citizen, so at best Obo would be a dual citizen – and ineligible.

      • Louis Lemieux

        A “natural born citizen“ is someone born in the US except those born of parents who are foreign diplomats working in the US.

        • RichE

          Louis,
          There isn’t a legal definition for, ‘natural born citizen’, but the Congressional Research Service has stated, ‘natural born citizen’ means one that is entitled under the laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship “at birth”.
          Summary:
          1.Born in the U.S. regardless of parent citizenship but parents not foreign diplomats.
          2.Born outside and both parents are U.S. citizens at time of child’s birth.
          3.Born outside and one parent is a U.S. citizen at time of child’s birth and child(person) meets residency requirements

          I believe Barack was born in Hawaii, Barack’s mother is a U.S. citizen and Barack is a residence. IMO he qualifies twice (1 and 3).

      • Thinking About

        In your spare time read U S Code Title 8, Section 1401 to see what determines a natural born citizen. It does not require both parents to be citizens. Us Sheriff Joe has investigated to find people living in Hawaii at the time of Obama’s birth would seal the deal. To point him in a direction he should contact the present governor of Hawaii who knew his parents during that time. If he has checked he probably knows the answer and it was not the one he was looking for so he did not report his findings. To use Sheriff Joe as a good source is doubtful since he neglects his responsibilities to jump on another project.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Now I don’t want any of you left wing “after-birthers” to get riled up over this, but now that a real commissioned police officer, Sheriff Joe Arpaio has investigated Mr. Obama, it appears that Obama just might be the fraud some of have thought all along. That won’t be good for a lot of people … namely all those that facilitated and actively participated in
        placing this fraud in office. And the do-do will hit the fan! Can you swallow the fact that a fraud has sent thousands of our young men and women into combat in which many have lost their lives or been maimed? Talk about exoneration for Lt. Col. Terry Lakin …

        Think about all the “stimulus” money Obama has given to his friends and supporters; the $5 TRILLION of new debt in just three years. The Health Care folly that’s going before the Supreme Court this coming Monday … which will become set in stone as the law of the land. The Fast and Furious scandal, on and on and on; not to mention the perpetual vacations and life of luxury for Mrs. Obama and the rest of the clan. How about the threats to the media to never cover this stuff? Exposing them for the cowards they are as well … these are just a few of the multitudes of reasons why the media and the Congress and every other facilitator of this fraud are working diligently to silence Sheriff Arpaio who has uncovered a huge lie. And to think, so many people have bought into this fraud …

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        If you wanna be the POTUS and the Commander in Chief you gotta have parents(plural=2) that are citizens. That defines a “natural born”.

      • Kate8

        Jay – Think about this…If Obama’s fraud were to come to the forefront, to the point where someone actually took action…the entire government would be complicit. Congress and the courts, including the SCOTUS, have all covered for him.

        We’d have to arrest them all, and they’d be guilty of treason. Which they, of course, are.

        They have a lot riding on keeping this a non-starter. No wonder they fear us.

  • Bluebluesdancer

    @ Robert Smith
    You said it! What a lot of baloney!

    …and… all this bullpucky about Michelle and Obama’s Law Licenses!!
    Bob Livingstone likes to maintain that he tells the truth, but he is a bigger liar and a bigger manipulator than anyone that he writes about! Paid by Big Money to manipulate the emotions of the poor Republican masses who don’t even know how to use a search engine!! It’s not fair to them!
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Bluebluesdancer,

      You write: “…and… all this bullpucky about Michelle and Obama’s Law Licenses!!” Non sequitur. I have not written anything about their law licenses.

      You write: “Bob Livingstone likes to maintain that he tells the truth, but he is a bigger liar and a bigger manipulator than anyone that he writes about! Paid by Big Money to manipulate the emotions of the poor Republican masses who don’t even know how to use a search engine!! It’s not fair to them!” I encourage you to point out my lies and set me straight rather than making a broad generalization. Paid by Big Money? Who would that be, pray tell? This site is mine alone and is supported through the sale of advertising. If you have information that would prove otherwise, I’d love to see it.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Raggs

        Bob you know that sheeple like him hate capitalism, they would much rather blame you and Bush rather than getting off of there deadbeat arse. So I bet you are wasting time explaining the truth to the fools.

    • Kate8

      Blue – The law licenses are a matter of public record.

      Obama gave his up to avoid being prosecuted for commiting fraud in his application to the Bar. In other words, again, he lied, because he can’t afford to admit the truth. At least, not yet.

      Michelle had some other kind of unethical reason, which I do not recall.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Some people really believe Obama to be a thug, and imposture, a dictator, etc., but they’re never able to have recourse to the courts. Must be they’re mistaken. That’s it, I’m voting for Obama again! One of the best President we ever had, he cares about all Americans.

    • ARIC

      It’s really sad how stupid you lib-tards are. Why can’t you open your eyes and get some facts from some where other than MSM?

      • Louis Lemieux

        Having a political opinion different than yours doesn’t make someone stupid. Sorry to hear you didn’t know that!

    • Raggs

      Well louis you have proved that sheeple like you should have no right to vote.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Sharing Obama’s political ideology doesn’t make someone a sheeple. Sorry to learn you didn’t know that, Raggs

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Louis says: Sharing Obama’s political ideology doesn’t make someone a sheeple, but a Communist!

      • Neil Swan

        What do you mean he has no right to vote. He is a hell of a lot smarter than you are Raggs.

        Neil

  • Foss

    What a load of crap. Minions? Really? Minions? I believe about 5% of this article is based in reality. Got hate? Bob L. will sell you some if you are runniing low.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    There is little doubt or question that liberal Democrats and their leader, Barack Obama, are a product of communistic socialism due to the huge amounts of money funneled into their efforts by individuals and organizations that have knelt at the un-American altar of anti-democracy philosophies such as George Soros, ACLU, Greenpeace, Sierra Club and others that ironically also call themselves Democrats.

    These socialist connected donations were not by accident or blind hope; In “Atlas Shrugs” on October 08, 2008, less than a month before the Presidential election, author Pamela Geller wrote: “Barack Obama was a member of an extremist political party established by the Democratic Socialists for America, the Chicago New Party, and they cheered his victory in his uncontested run for his Illinois state senate seat as a step away from American values, towards socialism. The New Party: The New Party is an unabashed Marxist “fusion” party from which Barack Obama actively sought out and received an endorsement for his state senate candidacy (in 1996). He did. The party was a Marxist Political coalition. This was not a guilt by association thing. Senator Obama sought out their nomination.”

    Scott Wheeler, Executive Director of the NRTPAC and author of the article referenced above, begins his treatise by explaining that the real reason why Obama, Pelosi and Reid rushed the recent mammoth spending bill, the biggest in history, without debate or Republican input was simply because they want to turn the “United States into a one-party country putting the Republican Party out of business once and for all.”

    After all, if you’re going to turn this country into a socialist welfare state, you must first rid yourself of any strong opposition. There are other political parties besides the Republicans, but none with such clout or numbers. The “wannabees” are little more than fringe groups with little to no chance of any significant opposition to either major party. We all now know more about that massive “stimulus” bill, labeled as “porkulus” by some in the amounts of anywhere from $787 billion to $1.3 trillion of taxpayer dollars which NRTPAC’s Wheeler claims is really a “political war chest for the Democrats.” They will use much of this largesse, he says, not for a quick fix stimulus to solve what they call a “fiscal crisis”, but “to reward their political friends – and have huge amounts of cash to dole out before the 2010 and 2012 elections.”

    A very large portion of this appropriated money will not even be spent this year as you probably know after having read it finally when they made it public AFTER congressional and administrative approval. In fact, it could very possibly take up to 10 years to get rid of all of it. And as Wheeler points out, “These billions … will fund the Democratic political machine for many years to come.” And how ironic is that; the party that raised far more campaign money during both the primary and general election races, has to stoop to unethical and unsavory tactics to add to those donated dollars with more and more taxpayer funds?

    But we also know, Obama is a product of the corrupt political machine in Chicago as is his recently appointed Chief of Staff, Raum Emanuel, another tax cheater who must think that privileged people like presidential appointees are exempt from paying their taxes. In Chicago it must be some kind of unwritten law as so many of them coming to Washington are astounded by having to pony up. But where you or I would probably get a jail sentence for not paying, all these people get is a tiny bit of bad publicity from the mainstream media, if any at all.

    Ironically, in the campaign leading up to the 2006 Congressional elections, Nancy Pelosi, came up with the caustic proclamation of the Republican’s Culture of Corruption. It was based on a couple of wayward congressmen (Cunningham and Foley) and she reveled in the glory of that title for her political enemies. But then, she couldn’t have known (could she?) that Obama would make her glee short-lived as his awfully embarrassing cabinet and administration appointments introduced a new era now called: “Dynasty of Democrat Dishonesty”.

    Ever hear that old adage, “Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive”? It seems that the liberal Democrats have had more practice at it than is customary, which is why they’re so good at it.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8747

    • Kate8

      Jay – So true.

      When O took over the auto industry, every conservative owned dealer in this area lost his dealership. The Democrat ones were the only ones allowed to remain.

      Now I have to drive over 60 miles to get my car serviced.

  • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniel

    So many post articles proclaiming Obummers greatness. refuting any thing anyone says contrary to that flappin lipped faggots lying and deviousness . Lets get a list of the truths that Obummer ever spoke .. Anything he has said is out and out lie after lie and is there by fraud and lies, Forgery in the documents that put him in office and gangster like tactics he uses to stay there. And if any libtard wants to accuse me of watching Fox news for my info. Bill O agreed that Obummer was born in Hawaii , so they must be Fox people. It’s hard to understand how so many can proclaim so much knowlege and be so absolutely ignorant. Just relax and pay heed to Bob Livingston and some one that is trying to give a warning, not trying to feed a resentment of being American…

    • Louis Lemieux

      You’re talking about fraud, forgery of documents, etc. concerning Obama. How come you don’t take him to court? If you’re so sure of yourself, why don’t you apply the law?

      • GM

        Actually, we have/are taking him to court, although there has been a certain reluctance to admit evidence …. and the law.

      • Kate8

        Louis – Where have you been? It’s been taken to court many times, including the Supreme Court. In every case, after the judge initially agrees to hear it, he gets a visit and either dismisses the case for “lack of standing” (iow, we the people have NO STANDING!), or the judge resigns rather than compromise his judicial integrity.

        Even Justice Roberts got a visit the night before the SCOTUS was to hear the case, and Obama himself, with his thugs, paid him a visit. The case had disappeared off the court docket by morning.

        Each and every time this case goes to court, the judge is threatened and intimidated into dismissing it without ever hearing the case on its merits.

        If you really do your homework and still vote for Obama, then you will be responsible for what comes next.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Could voters be foolish enough to fall for Obama’s new plan to destroy America? The Real Obama Economic Plan: Purposely Overwhelming the System to Destroy Capitalism.

    As Obama’s college classmate at Columbia, I was familiar with the teachings of our Marxist professors, Cloward and Piven. Following their strategy, Obama launched his original plan to distract America and overwhelm the system with Obamacare, cap and trade, stimulus, extending unemployment benefits, card check, banning offshore oil drilling, suing Arizona for enforcing federal laws against illegal immigration, onerous new environmental and banking regulations, and even an attempt to make Puerto Rico the 51st state. We couldn’t keep up with all the socialist bills and proposals. That was precisely the point — create a crisis, overwhelm the system, and make our heads spin with multiple distractions.

    Specifically:

    A) Make Americans desperate and even more dependent on big government begging for jobs, welfare, unemployment, food stamps and free medical care. As one of Obama’s supporters so aptly put it, “Give me some of that Obama money.” The plan is working.

    B) Help his political cronies by redistributing wealth and giving more power to unions, lawyers, lobbyists, environmentalists, and big businesses (at least those that contribute to him). The plan is working.

    C) Starve the political opposition — Raise taxes on upper and middle class Americans and create more regulatory hurdles on small business so they have no money left to oppose him. The plan is working.

    Why would Obama launch this all-out assault on capitalism, you ask? The answer is simple. He’s an ideologue who hates America and believes the capitalistic system is destructive and exploitive (as do most of my Columbia classmates). Like Mao and Lenin, Obama sees himself as the “people’s savior.”

    Fortunately, the American people woke up to what is happening and in the biggest landslide in modern political history voted to stop this progressive/socialist/Marxist strategy. So Obama has decided to re-shuffle the cards. Time for Plan B.

    Obama’s new plan is brilliant. Act like you’ve learned a lesson. Compromise. Move to the center. Talk like a moderate conservative. Support tax cuts. Become a friend to business. Act supportive of repealing parts of your own Obamacare plan. Make nice to the Chamber of Commerce. Appoint business leaders to your management team. Talk about tort reform. Talk about the dangers of debt. Become “the jobs” President. Allow Bill O’Reilly to interview you and claim your new goal is to get spending under control. Spend your entire State of the Union praising America. You are now a patriot bleeding red, white and blue.

    Why would he commit this act of fraud and deception? One over-riding goal: Get re-elected in 2012. This is a strategy right from the pages of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals playbook. Alinsky was a Marxist who believed the ends justified any means. That includes deception and fraud. Obama is following it to the letter and he’s good at it.

    Why is getting re-elected so important? Because then Obama has nothing standing in his way of completing the job he set out to do — DESTROY AMERICA. Once re-elected Obama is no longer responsible to the voters, and has four long years to do so much damage to America, that it may never recover. The community organizer is free to destroy the system with an unprecedented barrage of socialist and Marxist attacks, from within the White House — something even Alinsky never imagined.

    In his first term Obama crippled America, our economy, and capitalism. We are on the ropes, hanging by a thread. In his second term, he goes for the kill. He’ll put the finishing touches on his plan to overwhelm the country with deficit and debt; destroy small business and the upper middle class (his political opposition); redistribute wealth to his voters; give unions unprecedented powers; turn twelve million illegal aliens into future Democratic voters who will reliably vote for bigger government; and put a majority of Americans on the dole — either collecting money from government, or working directly for government.

    After getting re-elected, Obama will be free to be the real Obama — free to wreak havoc. He can be himself — the Marxist enemy of business, capitalism and patriotism.

    He will be free to base the economic system on “social justice” and affirmative action.

    He will be free to reward his friends and punish his enemies. He will be free to condemn Israel and buddy up to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Obama’s second term is what this is all about. The enemies of America have been waiting for this opportunity their entire lives. This is their version of the American Dream. A socialist in the White House with four years to destroy America from within, and no one to answer to.

    Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky would be proud of their student. And all he has to do is “be cool” for the next few months. Hold his fire. Smile. Kiss babies. Praise America. Befriend the rich. Become a cheerleader for business. And show just a little spending restraint…for a few short months. The ends justify the means.

    Just a few short months of patience and the keys to the kingdom…and the economy…and the Fed…and the United States Military…and the nuclear arsenal…all belong to Obama.

    http://www.lp.org/blogs/wayne-allyn-root/obama%E2%80%99s-new-plan-to-destroy-america

    And the America that we know and love could be gone forever.

    • GM

      Re: “As Obama’s college classmate at Columbia, I was familiar with the teachings of our Marxist professors, ”

      “Classmate?” Really? When and where did you ever see or even hear of him there back then? How come over 400 students of that period interviewed never heard of him or saw him, including Wayne Allen Root, in his major and graduating year?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Which Columbia?
        Obama attended Columbia School of General Studies. If a General Studies student completes enough courses, and/or has other credits from elsewhere accepted, a student can receive a degree. People confuse Columbia University, Columbia College, and Columbia General Studies. A big university system has many different schools and colleges attached.

        Of course, what Columbia University will not release is exactly what Obama actually did while in their General Studies degree program.

        Undergraduate education at Columbia is offered through Columbia College, the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, and the School of General Studies. Undergraduate programs are offered by two affiliated institutions, Barnard College and Jewish Theological Seminary. Columbia University provides post-graduate education through thirteen graduate and professional schools and a school of continuing education. Three affiliated schools also offer post-graduate programs. Obama Was An Unremarkable Student

        The Obama campaign declined to discuss Obama’s time at Columbia and his friendships in general. It won’t, for example, release his transcript or name his friends. It did, however, list five locations where Obama lived during his four years here: three on Manhattan’s Upper West Side and two in Brooklyn — one in Park Slope, the other in Brooklyn Heights. His memoir mentions two others on Manhattan’s Upper East Side.

        Where Was Obama?
        Dr. Orly Taitz has a shocking revelation. It seems Obama went missing for more than a year in 1981 when he was supposed to be at Columbia. That’s also the year that Obama said he went to Pakistan for the summer.

        The following paragraphs have been extracted from Taitz’ First Amended Complaint, filed at the U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia:

        27. Further records from the Student Clearing House show even more shocking evidence. In his memoirs and multiple speeches Obama wrote that he studied for two years at Columbia University September 1981-May 1983. He admitted that in summer of 1981 he traveled to Pakistan to visit his friends, but repeatedly claimed that from September 1981 until May of 1983 he resided in New York and studied at Columbia University. Taitz ran a check of his years of attendance at Columbia university and found out that Columbia official records show him attending Columbia university only for nine months September 1982-till May 1983, which means that the President of the United States lied to the whole nation about his whereabouts for a whole year September 1981 until September 1982. One year absence is the best case scenario, as he could get his university credit by reciprocity or through extern studies.

        28. As there is no record of Obama residing anywhere else in the United States from September 1981-September 1982, or attending any other university, by way of simple deduction it becomes clear that his visit to Pakistan lasted not a month or two, as he claims, but may have lasted for over a year.

        Read the rest here, GM: http://www.theobamafile.com/obamaeducation.htm

      • Kate8

        Jay – And the staff at Columbia reports that they only saw him a few times, and that they didn’t particularly like him. They said that he was lazy and not particularly bright, and was obviously only there so he could say that he was.

  • Jon Exner, Cicero, NY

    I have heard people say numerous times that President Lincoln illegally suspended habeas corpus, I totally disagree with that premise. Go out and purchase a copy of the Constitution of the United States of America.
    *
    Article 1, Section 9 clearly states the following, The ‘PRIVILEGE of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, “UNLESS WHEN IN CASES OF REBELION OR INVASION THE PUBLIC SAFETY MAY REQUIRE IT”.
    *
    Guess what people there was a rebelion it was called the “CIVIL WAR”. If the public safety did not require it I don’t know a situation that would.

    • 45caliber

      Jon:

      One minor error in your agrument. The South was not in rebellion. It was legally leaving the union. Rebellion is the act of trying to displace the government, which the South was not attempting to do.

      • Jon Exner, Cicero, NY

        45caliber I guess it might be possible your from the south and can’t see that they were in rebellion, they were trying to leave the Union and at the same time attempting to replace the government of the United States with a government of the Confederacy.

        I guess your argument plays well in the South like the argument that slavery was not the major cause of the war but rather a states rights issue. Although the south would never admit that the states rights issue surrounded the issue of whether it was leagal for one man to own another man and call him property.

        I guess you have the right to your opinion, I will continue to view the civil war as a rebellion. One of the deffinitions of rebellion is ‘revolution’. I have alway believed the difference between a revolution and a civil war is you win the revolution and you lose the civil war, but in both cases you rebell against the government in order to replace that government.

      • 45caliber

        Jon:

        The South did not start the war. It was started by Lincoln. (Yes, I know about John Brown. But sadly, that wasn’t the South) They simply seceded. Lincoln was the person who insisted that the South was in revolt and invaded the South. Unfortunately, he won. The Confederacy was never intended to replace the Federal Government. It was a new government started for the South. I know you are from the North but you should consider the real history. Never trust a histroy book used in school. Much of it is false. Do some research on your own.

        • Deerinwater

          Whatever you say, but firing on Sumpter was a very bad idea.

  • chuckb

    lm, where has the republican party been the last three years, i hear little interest in proving barry is legit or not, most of the rino’s are ready and willing to accept the birth documents as they are. fox news wirth the exception of sean hannity are not interested in any investigation of barry.
    there must be some truth to this matter since it doesn’t seem to go away.
    i saw barry as a street hustler when he first came on the scene and i don’t think my first impression is wrong. this whole matter should be investigated by the congress and proven once and for all, they don’t seem to be interested, certainly the rino’s aren’t..
    if barry is defeated in november and i don’t think he will be, this matter will disappear immediately. the republican party is a wimpy party and they have no cajones, you can’t say that about the bolsheviks.
    we should really be proud of the republican party, they ran with their support a so called moderate, tried to brand him as a conservative and are inj the process of buying the presidency, by people who are inclined to believe what money can buy.

    • 45caliber

      They don’t care about Oblama meeting the qualifications since he is doing exactly what all professional politicians in Washington want, regardless of party. He is taking power away from everyone else.

  • Neil Swan

    What we have to do in november is keep Obama and get rid of the Republicans in Congress and Senate. Obama cares about people in the country and the Republicans only care about the rich and oil companies, because that’s where their donations come from.
    That’s why there are so many tax loopholes for the wealthy. Like the owner of the LA Dodgers made 20 million a year 5 years in a row and didn’t spend a dime in federal or state income tax.

    Neil

    • Raggs

      OMG what an idiot.

    • 45caliber

      Neil:

      Where do you think the Democrats get their money from? They get it from the rich and the oil companies.

      Further, if you will check all those loopholes you were talking about, you will find that most were enacted by a Democrat Congress. They controlled it the longest.

      Perhaps you should study more history before you start ranting. It might save you some embarrassment. Or perhaps it wouldn’t since libs don’t seem to understand why they should be embarrassed.

    • Louis Lemieux

      Obama and the Democrats want election finance reform, but Republicans oppose it. I don’t think I have to answer why!

      • Bluebluesdancer

        Louis Lemieux commented on The Obama Thugocracy.

        in response to Neil Swan:

        Neil: “What we have to do in november is keep Obama and get rid of the Republicans in Congress and Senate. Obama cares about people in the country and the Republicans only care about the rich and oil companies, because that’s where their donations come from. That’s why there are so many tax loopholes for the [...]”

        Louis: Obama and the Democrats want election finance reform, but Republicans oppose it. I don’t think I have to answer why!

        Well said, both of you. Without reform the Repuglicans will change the Constitution until we can no longer vote unless we have huge amounts of money. (I jut thought I should state it, since these guys are a bit dim)

  • Raggs

    There should be a “NEW” law…
    DRUG TEST prior to voting!!!!!!

    It is apparant that you oblama followers are on drugs ( tax funded ).

    • Neil Swan

      Your pretty stupid Raggs.
      Do you have a low IQ or no education.

      Neil

      • Nadzieja Batki

        According to you Raggs is stupid and uneducated but yet your post does not appear to come from an educated person.

      • 45caliber

        Neil:

        Then I assume that you are against drug testing prior to voting? Can you tell me why?

      • Kate8

        Nadzieja – I love reading your posts. You are always so tactful and well stated, and always get our point across well.

    • eddie47d

      Raggs is like the rest of the crowd who wants everyone drug tested then hypocritically proclaims he wants less government interference. This is an easy question Raggs who will pay for that drug testing? Multiple choice answer for you 1.. Government 2. Taxpayer 3. Insurance or 4. all of the above!

    • Deerinwater

      The only thing “apparently” obvious is you do know the meaning of the word or either your “beliefs” have replaced realities, my guess would be the latter.

      • Raggs

        A simple drug test would rid us of 99.9% of you fools that voted for the idiot.

        • RichE

          Drug test? Rush wouldn’t pass.

      • Deerinwater

        “Raggs says:
        April 9, 2012 at 4:54 pm
        A simple drug test would rid us of 99.9% of you fools that voted for the idiot.”

        And exactly how much knowledge do you have of drug cultures? Whatever it is, it’s more then I know.

        Mc Cain was a bad choice for a GOP candidate Raggs. The decisions he made and the things that he said, failed to generate the support that he needed to win a general election. “W”s” coattails were short, he was asked not to attend the convention. The GOP brand had sustained serious damage. Prisoners of war are not “Heroes” but they are honored. McCain has a history of recklessness and like Newt dumped a wife while she was sick and in the hospital. The Keating 5 scandal did not do him a lot of good, accepting free vacations trips, conflict of interest, while making claims he and Palin were going to do some house cleaning on the Hill failed to make much sense to people that you are calling “fools”

        It’s no more complicated then that Raggs and it has nothing to do with “drugs”

        Why must you constantly say absurd things and yet expect other’s to take you seriously?

        Wouldn’t you like to be taken seriously?

  • AZ-Ike

    Bob,

    This was an excellent article. I am relieved to see PLD reporting on Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s official investigation of Obama’s eligibility and other documents that clearly show he is not a constitutional President and has almost certainly committed many crimes in his climb to despotic power, the transformation of America, and the final shredding of the Constitution. The link from “Sirian Says” (1st comment) to the WND article and video is a comprehensive summary of Arpaio’s investigation. Obama has been so successful only because he has the progressive, ultra liberal mainstream media in his pocket, and has apparently silenced much of conservative media—especially on Arpaio’s official investigation—by intimidation and threats. Obama is a true criminal thug!

    The only information I would add is that even with the help of MSM, Obama could not have been elected, usurped the Presidency, and violated the Constitution with every Bill he signed and Executive Order he issued and appointment he made without the aid or complicity of 111th and 112th Congresses. The significant majority of the House and Senate, both Democrats and Republicans, are multiple term, incumbent career politicians (the ‘elite’) who are either actively assisting Obama in the ‘transformation’ of the United States government and culture into a progressive socialist country, or are standing silently by letting it happen. Not one Member of either Congress during Obama’s illegal administration has honored the Oath of Office each took when assuming office to ‘support and defend the Constitution.’

    It is quite clear the majority of our elected Congressional representatives do not support the Constitution and are happy to see it ‘interpreted in a way that will insure the status-quo and their continuing power. The result of the Obama administration and complicit Congresses has been the decimation of our sovereign rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights; the 4th Amendment (renewal of the Patriot Act) and our rights under the 1st, 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendments—with continued attacks on the 2nd Amendment. Everything is now in place to eliminate the Constitution entirely, as Obama, or any future president, assumes dictatorial control.

    It is vital, if we ever want freedom again, to restore the U.S. Constitution and take back our sovereign rights.

    More important than the upcoming Presidential election is replacing our corrupt incumbent Representatives and Senators with true representatives of the People who believe in and will honor the ‘Contract’ between government and the People. Because when our corrupt representatives join together with an illegal executive and are supported by a judiciary that defines constitutional questions as political demagoguery, we the People have lost. The word to your readers should be ‘do not vote to re-elect an incumbent politician.’

  • Robert Pedersen

    It is time that impeachment of President Obama start. Democratic need to run a candidate against Obama. Our nation can not have 4 more years of President Obama. He is out to destroy ur nations. We as Americans need to wake up.

    BP

    • AZ-Ike

      Unortunately, the Obama complicit Republican majority House of Representative will not act to impeach Obama, and if they did, the Democrat majority Senate will not convict him (would not even if incumbent Republicans were the majority.)

    • AZ-Ike

      It is Congress who ‘counts’ the votes and ‘authorizes’ the election. They are the reason he is still there.

    • AZ-Ike

      And, that’s why we need NEW, citizen Representatives and Senators.

  • ranger hall

    Sorry folks,The first thing that Obama did when his right hand went down was to sign a pardon for the out going Pres. For any and all crimes committed while in Office. Ea incoming pres does this for the Outgoing. So folks if you want a Presiden punished you have to do this while he is still in Office. And im not sure even this can be done, Club members decide Not us. BOB, I did like and agree with your Post.

    • AZ-Ike

      A new President could not stop a Congressional investigation into Obama’s eligibility and unconstitutional acts. Also, I don’t think a new President could stop the nullification of all unconstitutional acts (bills signed, Executive Orders, and appointments) by an unconstitutional President.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    35 Reasons Why Obama Will Lose in 2012

    1. Blamed all problems on George W. Bush, not the Democrats who had controlled both chambers of Congress since January 3, 2007 until 2010 when the Republicans gained control of the House.

    2. Obamacare: challenged by 28 States as unconstitutional, subject of a Supreme Court hearing in March.

    3. Supported passage of Cap-and-Trade carbon regulation legislation.

    4. A strong advocate of “global warming”; revealed to be a hoax in 2009.

    5. His failed multi-billion dollar “stimulus” program.

    6. Admitted there were no “shovel-ready jobs.”

    7. Mortgage refinance plan deemed a complete failure.

    8. Appointment of White House policy “Czars”, one of whom was a Communist.

    9. Failed foreign policy; Israel, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

    10. Mishandling of BP oil spill; slow to react, shut down all drilling in Gulf of Mexico.

    11. Abortive outreach to Muslims

    12. Bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia.

    13. Stopped the building of the XL Keystone pipeline. Has opposed offshore and domestic oil drilling

    14. The Solyndra “Green energy” bankruptcy whose loan guarantee cost taxpayers a half billion dollars.

    15. The “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal.

    16. Sued Arizona for trying to control illegal immigration.

    17. A rogue Environmental Protection Agency.

    18. Highest federal spending since World War II.

    19. Highest budget deficit since World War II.

    20. Highest federal debt since just after World War II.

    21. Increased federal debt more than all Presidents from Washington to Clinton combined.

    22. Highest long-term unemployment since the 1930s.

    23. Lowest employment (58.1% if population) since 1983.

    24. Lowest home ownership rate since 1965.

    25. First downgrade of U.S. debt rating in nation’s history.

    26. Refused to support the Defense of Marriage Act.

    29. Attempted to stop Boeing from building a manufacturing unit in South Carolina.

    30. Government takeover of General Motors.

    31. Authorized military action in Libya without Congressional approval.

    32. Advocates major cuts to Pentagon budget for U.S. military

    33. Continues to hide college records, passport and Social Security number information.

    34. Not a “natural born” citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution (both parents must be U.S. citizens to be President) and thus he was ineligible to run, ineligible to hold the office, and ineligible to run again.

    35. Does not tell the truth.

    http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012012315451/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/35-reasons-why-obama-will-lose-in-2012.html

    • Deerinwater

      So you think Mitt is the man? ~

      I’d like to take some of that bet.

      • AZ-Ike

        he also knows how to engineer crises and, with Congress, has put in place everything he needs to declare martial law and end elections.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        So you think Obama’s the man? Its time to wake-up deer, and smell the communism eminating from the white-house! The jig is up. The American people first smelled a rat, and now have identified the rat; and his name is Obama! Despite the fact that you disaprove of the alternative, if i were you, i would start getting use to it! Cheers…

    • AZ-Ike

      But, he is an extremely successful manipulator of people, lies convincingly and knows exactly how to corrupt election balloting results.

    • Thinking About

      On #34 you stated Obama is not a natural born citizen. Read U S Code Title 8, Section 1401 and you will find what qualifies as a natural born citizen. It is not required both parents be citizens.
      #35 states he lied. Since you lied on #34 then does this disqualify you as a voter?

  • chuckb

    az-ike, only the people that are easily manipulated. the bleeding hearts, bolsheviks, minorities and illegals.

  • Raggs

    All of you welfare crack babies that thrive on my back and vote for oblama “the man” I bet NOT one of you losers can pass a drug test!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Republicans spend too much time wringing their hands over the unfortunate fact that no current candidate measures up to the “Reagan standard.” Well, that’s life. Deal with it. In 2012, Republicans don’t need a Reagan to beat Obama, who has negatives almost as high as Jimmy Carter did in 1980.

    It’s a mistake to focus too much on the Republican candidates’ mistakes and weaknesses. The 2012 election will be a referendum on Obama.

    Of course, Obama wants to run against George Bush again, but that won’t work. Because he has a record to defend, Obama has an uphill battle to win a second term. Democrats know this. Obama is in trouble, which is why his campaign already has the odor of desperation.

    It is understandable that veteran Republican leaders, pundits and pollsters are worried by the lack of a clear consensus about the Republican candidate. Conventional wisdom says Republicans should have settled on a candidate by now. Yes, that would be ideal, but that worry is overstated.

    We must remember that in 2008, there was a clear consensus and it proved to be wrong: It turned out that the “consensus candidate,” John McCain, was not the best candidate to put up against Barack Obama.

    So, let’s put aside the media’s favorite parlor game, the horse-race handicapping of the Republican candidates, and look instead at Obama’s problems. There are at least five reasons he will probably be vacating the White House next Jan. 20.

    First, the economy still stinks. That’s not George Bush’s fault, and Obama can’t get away with running against Bush – or McCain or Sarah Palin – no matter how much help he gets from Hollywood and David Letterman to sell that snake oil.

    Even if the national unemployment rate continues to fall toward 7 percent from its earlier peaks above 9 percent, Americans see the reality of a stalled economy. In 1984 at this same time, Reagan’s economic recovery from the 1982 recession was creating 700,000 jobs each month, not the anemic 230,000 now being created.

    Secondly, Obama’s foreign policy is an utter disaster. Americans are tired of “leading from behind” and watching embarrassing “apology tours” by himself, Secretary of State Clinton and now Defense Secretary Panetta. Americans are tired of seeing their president literally bow before foreign leaders. His Afghan withdrawal plan is unraveling daily, his “Russian reset” is a total failure, his unilateral disarmament of our nuclear weapons capability is lunatic, and Iran is not abandoning its rush to build a nuclear bomb that has one main purpose: to destroy Israel.

    Third, Obama’s principal domestic policy achievement, Obamacare, is increasingly unpopular across a wide spectrum of society. Its taxpayer cost is growing exponentially, its mandates to states are increasingly onerous and expensive, and insurance costs are not under control as promised.

    Fourth, Obama will not be able to maintain the enthusiasm of his left-wing base while moving to the center to win back the middle class. His neo-Marxism is hard to hide, and he’s not Houdini. His leftist base in the universities and greenbelts likes gas prices above $5 per gallon, but Obama is not going to be able to campaign on that platform in Phoenix, Pocatello or Poughkeepsie.

    Finally, despite the fractious and expensive primary campaign that began too early and has lasted too long, Republicans are more unified in agreement about defeating Obama than Democrats are on the need for pushing gasoline prices higher to save Mother Earth from capitalist rape and pillage.

    When the dust settles in Tampa in August, the candidates, Ron Paul included, will unite behind the Republican nominee. They will decide that a flawed candidate – and every candidate is a flawed candidate – is better than a Marxist incumbent.

    Republicans of all stripes and persuasions are unified in their understanding of one imperative: Removing Obama from the White House is more than a political goal: it is a constitutional imperative.

    Yes, that Republican candidate will face a formidable Obama campaign, a campaign that will spend a billion dollars and violate every known standard of political ethics and civility. Yet, it will not be enough to persuade Americans to bet on four more years of Obama and his imperial czars.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/5-reasons-obama-will-lose-in-november/

    • chuckb

      jay, just beating barry is not the answer, we need someone in the oval office that can straighten the country out. we have major problems not only with the economy, but with the illegals and race relations in our country. this zimmerman incident indicates to me the blacks are looking for anything to stir up trouible, they have their man in the white house
      and believe they have the ability to change things to their satisfaction.
      on the other hand, electing a moderate such as romney will lead us along the same trail we are riding. i have always been a staunch republican until the last few years of the bush admin. then i started seeing what the republicans really stood for. “money” unfortunately the bolsheviks made an end run and now they are the money party. the two parties are so busy lining their pockets they have lost sight of running the government.

      barry soetoro is nothing more than a talking dummy, can anyone with half a sense listen to this man and think otherwise,. the people behind him are the ones to fear.
      i believe these high gas prices we are enduring are nothing more than the bolsheviks loading their bank accounts for the coming election, they are doing so partialy thru the commodities market. all these diversions like this florida shooting are drawing peoples attention away from what is really happening, final analysis, the republicans are selling us down the river by nominating a person who could very easily lose to barry, i’m sorry i have no faith in the republicans left. .
      .

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Dittos chucb! But the important thing to keep in mind is that; a lot of Americans, i belive, are finally waking up to the fact of what/who Obama represents. As you rightly stated; “barry soetoro is nothing more than a talking dummy, can anyone with half a sense listen to this man and think otherwise,. the people behind him are the ones to fear.” This, i think, awarness, is the first step in the process in reclaiming our country. I’m sure you will agree; that It is not a Government that is what’s best for the country, per say, but a discerning and involved citizentry.

      • Jeff

        Yeah, chuck, all real americans like you should sit this one out as a protest. Show the republicans they can’t take you for granted. Sit it out until they nominate someone you can support, like Santorum or Trump!

  • Raggs

    What is wrong with a drug test prior to voting?
    It means that some people will be “in a frame of mind” before they vote for an idiot like oblama.

  • Shirley

    I do not believe that W is a crook. I do not believe that Obama is a thug. I believe that they are fallible humans who have been elected to be the President of the USA. I think that this HATE Obama, hate Government, hate anybody who disagrees with you, borders on being paranoid. I read these comments and shudder. Why must the President be called unacceptable names? I am reminded of the dark days of McCarthyism – It is unhealthy and non-productive, If you are not satisfied with something, work to make it better, but stop the name-calling and repetition of unsubstantiated information.
    By the way, I am a proud American voter;not easily manipulated, not a bleeding heart, not a Bolshevik, not illegal, nor a minority.

    • Raggs

      Really?

      If you think for a half a second ( I doubt if you can think for that long ) Put down your drugs get a job and stop living on welfare.

    • Louis Lemieux

      Shirley, I feel the same way you do. I’m retired, financially well off and Obama is doing a great job as the leader of all Americans. There will always be a minority who believe it’s a question of life and death when national elections come along. We have our preferences depending on where are values lie, but both Republicans and Democrats in general want what’s best for America.

      • Shirley

        Louis, I truly hope that you are correct! Of course, our country has problems. In my opinion, ; the economy is the hub problem. It IS a WORLD problem and the solution will be slow coming with fits and starts; hits and misses. I am of the 99% and I am worried about the suppression of the working middle class in our country. Extreme ideas must be revealed for what they are because too many people do not do their research. I hope that God will Bless America, but I worry about the fanatics who rave and rant and stir up hate.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Shirley says: I do not believe that W is a crook. I do not believe that Obama is a thug. I believe that they are fallible humans who have been elected to be the President of the USA

      There’s a vast difference between a fallible human, and a hardened, unrepentant criminal, Shirley. Don’t let the cover of the book fool you!

      • Joe Jr.

        No he is a crook and pathological liar who is narcisistic. Sorry he has proven his hatred for this country and the Constitution he swore to defend. No one and I mean no one can question Obamas ideals and beliefs. He is right and that’s the end of the coversation. All his thug friends are out there threatening voters and figureing out how to cheat on election day. I wonder how many double and triple votes will get through or how many dead people.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Who sent you to read the posts?

  • Raggs

    Apparently king oblama has a vapor lock on these idiots that actually voted for him…. Go figure… They need a “leader” not what would be called a president because these people either have to be high on drugs or just plain STUPID.

    • Neil Swan

      Your comments are what indicate stupidity Raggs.

      Neil

  • Raggs

    oblama is going in history as being the stereotypical crack daddy psychopathilogical liar. And for anyone to put him in the realm of being is a fool.

  • Dad

    Are they implying that women would lie and manipulate during a divorce to get what they want? This would imply that they also could do it during a marriage!
    I am shocked… who could believe such a thing… ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000561837094 Joseph R Carreiro Sr

    I thougt that bullying in America is now illegal or can only certain bullies bully?This article seems like massive bullying to me especially in the 2008 election.With so many great stories coming out how come no one ever looks into them deeply exept this Sheriff Joe Arpaio from Arizona.He is the only one I read about that does and does not bend or give up until some answer comes forward.Think on this.

  • chuckb

    anyone who can state: barry is doing a great job lives in the realm of ignorance. what good job is he doing? maybe you are a fed worker, state worker or union, that would explain your opinion, however, in the real world, he’s not and never did cut the mustard. he’s the worse president to ever sit in the oval office, he’s the most ignorant of any president, his ability to lie without blinking doesn’t qualify him.

    • Deerinwater

      Unflattering claims void a single word of support.

      preaching to the choir Chuck?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        In denial, deer?

  • Kate8

    I love this one. Americans will be the downfall of you-know-who.

    I do believe it will be up to us. If we believe we can work through the system which has already betrayed us, we are mistaken.

    http://dprogram.net/2012/04/07/the-american-people-will-be-the-final-check-on-obamacare-and-the-dictators-unlawful-decrees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Good article, Kate8! The arrogant shmuck-puppet in the WH, and his band of pirates may have underestimated the resolve of the American people. Arrogance will do that. “Pride preceeds the fall”, as the Good Book states!

      • Kate8

        Jay – Evil holds the seeds of its own destruction.

        Evil can only prevail for so long. Anything that is contrary to life, to Love, to freedom and expansion, must, ultimately, collapse under its own weight.

        “The wages of sin (error, misperception, wrong thinking) is death.” Always has been, always will be.

      • Deerinwater

        “The American people will be the final check on this out of control President who thinks he is a dictator. This is why the founders gave us the right to free speech and the right to keep and bear arms. Because we are the final check on the government’s power in the end. If they government will not voluntarily reduce its size and power back to inside the confines of the Constitution. Then the American people will do it being the final check on the government.”

        I had much the same thoughts during “W’s” tenure but there were just too many people willing to support him at the time. By the time enough evidence was available to impeach 43, and the willing to do so was there, it was more expedient to permit him to serve out his term.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        A few years from now, the same will be sad about O. Will we ever break the cycle, deer?Trust me, i feel for ya!

  • Joe Jr.

    Obama and his thug friends believe they can literally threaten his way into another four years as our Dictator. If a majority of American voters can’t see this we are all in trouble. Obama , oops , Dictator Obama has made it clear that he will lie, threaten and abuse his way into another four years. I for one have never and will never vote for Obama and his goon squad. Obama is so full of himself that he even questioned the power of the U.S. Supreme Court. He shook his finger at them like they were unruley school kids. These justices have more Constitutional knowledge than all of Obamas crooks put together and multiplied by a million. I hope Obamas re-election gets the same response as his budget.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1019088854 Patrice Lavin-Walker

    Why is it that everyone here refers to Barack Hussein Obama as his name? His name is Barry Soetoro, he was born in Indonesia. He does not even qualify as our Commander-in-Chief according to our United States Constitution….he needs to bow out gracefully…or there may be another Civil War on the sunrise…..anyone who believes in our Great Country this United States of America knows he is a fraud, a fake, a liar and most of of Anti America!

  • chuckb

    kate8, i don’t see the republican party making any attempt to reign barry in, it seems to me they are too busy trying to act like boy scouts. wouldn’t surprise me that the bolksheviks will take back a lot of those seats and we will be right back where it all started.
    the congress has the power to call him on a lot of these actions he takes, i see them doing nothing. harry and nancy will be back on top come november. our country will be down the drain and no longer viable as we knew it. the republicans will be working on a new budget, one that will take efffect in 2050. ryan budget, what a joke.

  • Kate8

    chuckb – You are right. Republicans…at least the ones holding office…aren’t going to do anything. They are all a bunch of cowards and sellouts.

    No, it’s going to be the rank and file citizenry. Always has been, and this time is no different.

    They want us to believe that it’s a done deal. They want us to cower in fear, and to believe that resistance is futile. Well, I for one am a firm believer in Divine Intervention, and the power of prayer from those who truly strive after righteousness. I’ve heard stories of weapons that have misfired, bombs which have failed to detonate, and people who have been in peril, facing certain death, and were miraculously delivered.

    I, personally, know of liberals who have awakened to Obama’s deception, PTL. There will be many more who choose rightly before this is over.

    It’s always been the courageous few, with the strong Arm of God on their side, who have saved entire nations from the hands of evil. We must believe that we will be victorious this time, as well.

  • Bluebluesdancer

    95% of the people on this website are all too willing to call Obama names and to accuse him of fictitious actions. I do not deny that he is not perfect, and has made some mistakes and passed some bills that I do not agree with, but his actions have always indicated that he has a deep respect for our Nation and has always worked towards bipartisanship and for us, The People. I hope that his recent responses to the Conservatives are something that we will see more of, since it would warm the cockles of my heart to see him skewer every single one of you. lots of love, bluebluesdancer. xoxxx

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Baaaa, baaaa, baaaa

      • Deerinwater

        Impressive comment, guess you showed him!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Hey, Bill Maher, is that you? LOFLMAO!!!

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Bi-partisanship does not a good president make. This president wants to force his will on people who don’t want what he offers and that’s tyranny and the man should be impeached and found guilty of crimes against the people.

      • George E

        Katrael,

        Political bi-partisanship is OK when the two sides base their opinions and arguments within common bounds, like our Constitution and traditional values, because the differences aren’t all that great. Today, however, the two sides are pretty far apart since the left is actively pushing to dismantle our capitalist system and destroy our traditional values-based culture. In other words, the left doesn’t want to modify our system and culture, they want to replace it, and that’s clearly out of bounds for many of us. So, the fight is on and will not end until one side wins. This is serious. It’s a little like two countries that can’t settle their differences through negotiation, and go to war to settle the issue. It’s really terrible, but we’re fighting to retain the country we inherited. I think that’s a cause worth fighting for.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          George E, I agree with what you said about bi-partisanship but I want to add that the call for bi-patisanship of itself doesn’t mean that Obama is a good president as someone here seems to think. You bring up a good point about two sides going to war which brings to mind the question: which side will be right when it does come to exchanging blows? There has to be a way to determine this? I see it this way: a little tyranny now leads to a whole lot of tryanny later and this is what helps me to determine which side is right. I see the trend with this non president and his policies will only lead to more and more tryanny. Here’s something I found and it answers a question about Obama’s birth cirtificate that even someone who isn’t tech savy can see for themselves. AmericanThinker.com I think that in the end it won’t matter whether he’s actually the president or not as too many believe he is and as you point out it seems we are headed toward a fight.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          George E. I’m not one of these really tech savy people and I struggle to make things work properly. Here’s a link that I think will work. Maybe you already know about this but, I didn’t until today: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/oblivious_to_the_obvious.html

          • George E

            Katrael,

            Great article. I hadn’t seen it before now. Thanks.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            George E, I thank you and others like you. It’s people like you, DaveH and others that put a lot of useful info on this site. I just wish that I had more time to study the wealth of informantion found here.

          • George E

            Katrael,

            It’s very nice of you to say that. I appreciate the compliment. However, I only offer my logic and ideas, hopefully in a civil manner. Many of the other contributors do a much better job of providing data and real facts.

            Thanks again. Have a nice day.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            I plan on having a perfect day and hope the same for you.

  • Kate8

    Blue – Only a diabolical psychopath would do such a thing. ..swak, Kate

  • Kate8

    Jay – Do you keep up with this site:

    http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

    If so, what is your take on this stuff?

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Kate8, I was checking up on Fulford’s website from time to time just trying to get a feel of what was real and what wasn’t. Personally, from what I’ve been reading, I think the guy’s way, way out there. If he’s real I wonder why he doesn’t provide some concrete proof? Therein lies my problem with him.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – He says that he can’t offer real proof without compromising those involved and their modus operandi.

        That makes sense. Besides, he’s only a spokesperson.

        It stands to reason that there would be those, especially in our military, who would be alarmed at what they see happening in America, and would want to shore up against it. Remember, our intelligence people are, by and large, pretty sharp (at least, I hope so).

        It is the duty of the military to protect us from such things as a takeover by enemy agents. There are lots of good people who don’t want to see our nation go down, who think it’s wrong to allow the genocide being planned to occur. I can believe that they would have their infiltrators as well as the bad guys.

        Anyway, I don’t find it hard to believe… I mean, I would hope this would be true.

        I just don’t know if it is. These reports could be just more psy-ops, too, to make us feel better. This is a common tactic, no doubt. And even if it is, we know that the bad guys know, too. They could do something really ugly out of desperation.

        Like I said, though, I do know that God has His Ways. And I do believe that there are some good people in places that count.

      • angelwannabe

        JeffH, and Kate8__I’ve been watching fulfords site( also has other sites as well)__ for almost a year now, like anything else_a few pieces fit the puzzle, __A lot of coding & dis-info mingled with fact._-Read down through commentors section, alot of info contained therein, with additional links for further reading.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Not as of lately, Kate. I am familiar with the WD, royal bloodlines. One thing’s for sure, there are changes coming. I do agree with BF on one thing, resistance will be great. Here’s something i think both you and Jeff will appreciate.

      http://thatradio.podhoster.com/index.php?sid=1617

  • no one

    Kate, I agree with you. Would be so nice if most would hit the ignore button.,Get on with the subject at hand, and quit getting sucked in to a pointless argument.

  • Mutantone

    The only way he will see another four years in office is when he declares Marshall law and suspends the elections all civil rights look at what he has done already to set things up:Union paid “Occupiers” his 100,000 man civilian army, his release of all captured illegal aliens inside the United States. He is setting up the violence and nation wide troubles to use it as an excuse to declare Marshall law just watch

  • chuckb

    something has to be done about the voting process before november or it will take more than voting to get the messiah out of washington. voter fraud will be more rampant than ever before. barry won’t need marshall law, he has the ballot box at his disposal. that’s why you hear the howl from the bolsheviks and civil rights crowd when voter id comes up.
    they don’t need an army or the black kittys, they only need the illegitimate vote then they win easily. .

  • Bluebluesdancer

    BL: You write: “…and… all this bullpucky about Michelle and Obama’s Law Licenses!!” Non sequitur. I have not written anything about their law licenses.

    BBD: I did not say that you wrote it, but you are not refuting it, so you are encouraging the belief.
    “Bob Livingstone likes to maintain that he tells the truth, but he is a bigger liar and a bigger manipulator than anyone that he writes about!
    Your articles are carefully written so that the information that you have gleaned from the fascist sites that you subscribe to is twisted to ‘insinuate’ things that are totally untrue, and which will incite mean-spirited, bigoted conversations. Your goal seems to be mental masturbation as your ego is stroked by your sheeple.
    You insinuate that he is a terrorist and a communist. Both of which are patently untrue.
    You discuss Blair Hull as if Obama were the first politician to point out negative aspects of their competitors. Hahahahaha!!! Have you been watching the Republicans running for the Presidency on TV recently?
    You also bring up Jack Ryan, insinuating that Obama requested that the sealed child custody case record be unsealed. As you know that is not true. Obama requested that they not be used. Why? Because he cares about children.
    You insinuate that the Obama campaign is guilty of murder. Show me the proof!
    You insinuate that Obama threatened Bill Clinton with the death of his daughter, and that Bill Clinton gave in to the threat (whatever it was!!) Get real!
    You say that Obama ‘s birth certificate is a forgery… and there is where it becomes an exercise in futility to ever hope for a decent conversation with you, because no matter what evidence is given, you and your minions just put your fingers in your ears as shout out “lalalalalalala” so that you won’t hear it.
    “Paid by Big Money to manipulate the emotions of the poor Republican masses who don’t even know how to use a search engine!! It’s not fair to them!”
    BL:I encourage you to point out my lies and set me straight rather than making a broad generalization.
    BBL: Done. See above.
    BL:Paid by Big Money? Who would that be, pray tell? This site is mine alone and is supported through the sale of advertising. If you have information that would prove otherwise, I’d love to see it.
    BBDI admit that I appear to be wrong in that claim. Most of the Republican websites that I read in order to keep myself educated to both perspectives are “Money Magazine” type websites.
    Credit where credit is due, you are one of the few Right-Wing websites that actually has a ‘comments’ option. But unfortunately most of your subscribers seem to be limited in their perspectives and unable to either cite links to validate their arguments or be able to talk to anyone from ‘the other side’ in a respectful manner despite the fact that there are obviously things that we all agree-upon, things which we could perhaps enlarge upon and maybe even come up with something constructive… naaahh… not here.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Speaking of mental masterbation, Bbd; do you feel better now?

    • http://donspeaks.wordpress.com dkelt325

      I totally agree with you BBD. Mr Livingston claims to be searching for the truth, but from everything I’ve read he hasn’t found any. You would think that after spending most of life searching, he would at least stumble upon a scrap of something believable. I would submit that Bob is searching in all the wrong places.

  • KG

    You guys!! Y’all are upset cause a darkey is in the whitehouse. So G. Gordon Liddy Was NOT a thug?? The Pinkerton guards who murderd Union members were not thugs? The Contras “Right Wing Terrorist supported by OUR government ala Regan” were not thugs? Carl Rove is NOT a thug? Bill “Billo” OReiley is NOT a TV THUG??? Those “Good Christian” people like the Abotion clinic protesters are NOT Thugs???

    • Alex

      You are screaming into a hurricane of ignorance.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      You sound like a thug, KG.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Btw KG, you’re friend Alex is correct; “You’re a screaming, ignorant hurricaine”!

    • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

      oh dear, another leftist that has to use some sort of racist comment – poor things – limited in their ability to think —-

    • Deerinwater

      KG, to suggest that they are racist, you will be attacked and called names.

      The closer to the truth you are, the more ruthless and personal these attacks will become.

      Their “behavior” is what I judge them on and not their “beliefs”

      They are entitled to believe anything they wish, while their bad behavior is not an entitlement. Bad behavior is simply someone behaving badly.

      Yet they would want you and I to believe that their behavior and beliefs are “NOT” associated while they will make every attempt to associate you with something they believe unflattering.

      This is characteristic of typical Tea Party behavior, a group of disenfranchised GOP affiliated WASP that wish to set themselves apart from the failures of passed GOP leadership, distancing themselves from these failures while they were the ones that supported them.

      By and large , they are the “right wing christian collation” bullies that had their way during “W’s” tenure that are now but a Tiger attempting to change it strips and rename itself.

      The original Tea Party was but a “ruse” to sway “popular thinking” with half-truths and false banners in an effort stir sediment and rally support to replace one “tax master” for a “new tax master” with claims of independence!

      Today’s Tea Party activist shares many characteristics with the prior. They too fly false banners and claim independence, wanting to trade one tax master for another. They want to support the people that have money today while showing little concern how they acquired it.

      It’s a noble idea perhaps, while end game the American people are still trading one tax master for another or in this case, simple adding another.

      Again, I have no problem with these “beliefs”, it’s their behavior I find upsetting and made only more so that they expect their bad behavior to be “ignored”.

      I do not wish such people to be in charge of anything.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I always found you to be somewhat self-rightious, and a dedicated, mental masturbater deer, but this post indicates you’ve gone over the edge. What i don’t understand about you liberal, delicate ladies, is why; if you find this site so offensive to your delicate dispositions, do you not leave? Instead, you hang around, mopping and groning, like old
        ladies going through manapause, crying and whining and complaining your girdles are to tight, and faint whenever someone has the audacity to disagree with you. Are you a man or a mere boy, deer? Good grief, get a backbone, and while you’re at it, grow some skin, sweetheart!!!

        • Deerinwater

          Like I offered, the closer to the “truth” the greater the diversion and personal attacks.

          Jay, get a life. Find something to do with yourself besides attempt to annoy people with petty name calling.

          I’m embarrassed for you.

  • chuckb

    kg, i had a friend who fought with the contras, they sure did a job on you bolsheviks. col north kind of put it to them also. i can see why you’re so upset. using the term darkey is going to cause your comrades to cringe. watch out for the hammer and sickle.

  • http://yahoo.com Ron Lingle

    Throw obamanation out. Elect conservatives and take back our country

  • old hillbilly

    We have a Constitution, statutes, and a history of Biblically based common law. The Constitution requires ratification by the states to add or change one word or meaning of words. Creation or change of statutes requires legislative statute and consensus. The centuries old Biblical prohibition of deception, fraud, & theft are easily discerned. The offices of the president, legislatures and judiciary are all oath bound to support the Constitution and law! However, garbage rules because we don’t throw it out!

    We have a president who unilatterally continues spending trillions more than revenue, without budget, advice, or consent, giving hundreds of billions to illegal alien invaders and enemy nations. Laws are contemptuously and openly defied by the president, various legislators, attorney general, and their various agencies. Collectively, they openly restrict domestic energy supplies in collusion with global monopolies, in order to create shortages that drive prices to predatory levels that kill the American economy! Laws created by unknown special interest groups are “pushed” through the legislature without reading or understanding, to be dumbfoundedly signed into law by a majority of legislators and the president! etc. etc.., etc!! There is no shortage of prosecutions, convictions, and jail for such acts at state and local levels! The Tea Party must resurrect itself to keep the good democrats, remove the “love it as it is” republicans, and provide third party candidates “where there is no choice”! Our country is dying! SAVE IT!

    • AZ-Ike

      You are absolutely correct. To continue, Congress is either aiding in the crimes and or standing silent and letting it happen. That is why it is vital that Congressional Members are replaced by those who will respect the Rule of Law as it was written and intended.

      Some Tea Party groups are alive and well, but none are getting any publicity. The MSM has discovered that if they remain silent on Tea Party meetings and activities, whatever they are working on or accomplishing will have little momentum beyond the specific Tea Party Membership. As a result of Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation, we know that conservative media are being intimidated and threatened to remain silent.

      We have a Constitutional Crisis. Nothing is more important than to restore constitutional law in America. To do that, we need to replace Congress with citizens–not corrupt incumbents– who will restore the Constitution, rein in the Executive, and impeach federal judges and Supreme Court Justices who exhibit very ‘poor behavior’ by trying to redefine the Constitution.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        AZ-Ike, we’ve had a constitutional crisis for quite some time. It’s always been under attack and it really took a blow with the 16th and especially the 17th amendment. The constitution strictly forbids changing how Senators are elected and the 17th amendment was the death blow for our constitutionally seated government. Most people don’t understand how this can be true but it is and we need to return to the original way Senators were elected. As for impeaching supreme court justices: we the people already have the power as the House of Representatives is where the call for impeachment comes from and the House is still very responsive to the people. The problem lies in the Senate where impeachment proceedings are conducted. And you are so right about the meaning of words and that is why words with commonly accepted definitions were used and the law was meant to be inflexible and easy to understand.

  • chuckb

    congress is sitting quietly and watching, isn’t that the way republicans operate. oh, i forgot they are still working on a budget. we should vote out every republican possible and replace them with conservatives regardless of party., the only problem there, most conservative democrats go with the flow of their party.. i am one mad ex-republican, and each time i see romney i get more so. we are in one hell of a mess in this country, constitutional wise and otherwise. the president and his attorney general are more interested in tearing down the western culture than doing their job. they hate white america.

  • old hillbilly

    AZ, Katrael, Chuck & various others herein… more than enough to save this mess from another Sodom & Gomorrah. Write, write, & write some more… lots of big & little local papers out there will publish bits & tidbits of facts… Dems & Reps both are fed up with politicians & endless corruption… parties & fixed opinions get in the way of results. Truth will set us free again.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      old hillbilly, I do believe you have a point about writing to our local news papers and such. There are several even in the small community where I live that might appreciate something fact based and positive to add to their publications. Thanks for the idea.

  • Jack the FAC

    Why should this surprise anyone? This is all Obama knows. After it, it was the thugs in the Chicago mob who put him in the Illinois state legislature; and who put him in the U.S. Senate; and who put Obama into politics in the first place. All Obama knows is Chicao thugery and bullying. That is all he who got him started into politics, and who pushing him on up the political ladder.

  • America

    A moot point, Congress gridlocked over his (Obama’s) budget proposal. Republicans are not passing anything Obama does. Republicans in Congress, already told everyone, when they got in Congress, nothing Obama does will get passed, they do not want to make him look successful. To heck with the unemployed, the jobless, the homeowners who pay their fair share of taxes (Not talking about millionaires), only to go into default, because the rich don’t want anyone else to be successful. So Bob Livingstone should put his mouth to good use and please his Republican handlers.

    • George E

      America,

      Republicans, and some Democrats, can’t possibly agree with President Obama on most policies. Ideologically, Obama is so far removed (left) in his thinking from conservatives, and conservative-leaning people, that they can’t possibly get together on common solutions. That’s just a fact. If he really prefers passing legislation over fighting with Republicans for political gain, he’s got to move to the center. So far he just hasn’t chosen to do that. He seems to believe he can rally a majority of the American people behind his ideas so they will force Republicans to fall in line behind him. So long as he continues with this approach, there will be little to no legislative progress during his term in office. On the other hand, that may not be all bad. At least they’re not passing new laws that many might object to, like they did with Obamacare.

  • Worrried about us

    It would be good if were all to try climbing out of the mud and begin offering uplifting information and views, edifying to the American people who are obviously in need of inspiration. Americans need to get back to a place of trust in each other if this country is to survive.

    • Deerinwater

      Good point! The glass always seems to be half empty rather the half full. There is an element in “self prophecy” in life we’d all be wise to not ignore.

      It’s is not unusual but common place to “think” something into existence.

      There has never was a house, bridge or building built that did not first start out with someone saying, Hey! I think I might just build a bridge here! or Darling!, what you think, would you like a nice slab on grade Austin Stone on top of that hill over there? The view would be spectacular! Large windowed master bedroom to the east with it own courtyard and garden, Sally Port entrance to the south, split level pool on the west with access to a center main courtyard. I’d put windows in your kitchen baby! lots of windows.

      It seems that today, people by and large make little attempt to control their “thoughts” , like a grazing beast, they seem to graze their way through each day, Thinking whatever thoughts that pops up and what opportunities present themselves inside their routine of habit.

      It’s 7:58 am, where is Bob Livingston and my morning paper? My coffee sucks, Juan Valdaz’s donkey must have crap in it!

      • George E

        Ha, ha, ha. Yes on all accounts.

        Good things often start with a vision, followed with good plans, and a commitment by good folks to make it happen.

      • Deerinwater

        Now tell me! Who could ever thinks something as this as ever bring possible? People that could talk things into existence.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=XVTga6GmbGw&vq=medium#t=74

  • Deerinwater

    I’m sure most of us remember the movie “In the heat of the night” a 1967 mystery film based on the John Ball novel of the same name published in 1965, which tells the story of a black police detective from Philadelphia who becomes involved in a murder investigation in a racist small town in Mississippi. The film won five Academy Awards, including Best Picture. It starred Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger, and Warren Oates, and was directed by Norman Jewison.

    This whole event of robbery, murder and cover up was predicated over a young woman getting pregnant and lead to the chain of events to make it “go away”. The book setting is in Sparta, Mississippi in the late 40′s to early 50′s but it could be anywhere USA.

    What I find most interesting to consider is the desperation of young people when faced with an unwanted pregnancy. What do they do, who do the turn to?

    I do believe that this sense of urgency and desperation is completely lost on those who elect to sit back and make judgement with what seems as mild indifference to young persons caught up in human drama that simple too big to handle AND REALLY NEED HELP. FOR SOMEBODY!

    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/%E2%80%98stop-backstreet-abortions-change-law%E2%80%99

    to be fair pro argument; http://www.spuc.org.uk/youth/student_info_on_abortion/backstreet

    An article from the World Health Organization calls safe, legal abortion a “fundamental right of women, irrespective of where they live” and unsafe abortion a “silent pandemic”.[10] The article states “ending the silent pandemic of unsafe abortion is an urgent public-health and human-rights imperative.” It also states “access to safe abortion improves women’s health, and vice versa, as documented in Romania during the regime of President Nicolae Ceaușescu” and “legalisation of abortion on request is a necessary but insufficient step toward improving women’s health” citing that in some countries, such as India where abortion has been legal for decades, access to competent care remains restricted because of other barriers. WHO’s Global Strategy on Reproductive Health, adopted by the World Health Assembly in May 2004, noted: “As a preventable cause of maternal mortality and morbidity, unsafe abortion must be dealt with as part of the MDG on improving maternal health and other international development goals and targets.”[11] The WHO’s Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction (HRP), whose research concerns people’s sexual and reproductive health and lives,[12] has an overall strategy to combat unsafe abortion that comprises four interrelated activities:[11]

  • Deerinwater

    Hmm? what’s going on? There must be something in my posting creating a default review.

    • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

      More than one link perhaps?

      • Deerinwater

        yep! Thanks Libertytrain

  • same as above

    We need to put most of you in white robes & hats

    • Kid Mixon

      THE OBAMANATION OF DESOLATION. HE THAT COMES TO KILL, STEAL AND DESTROY! THE GREAT DECEIVER, LIAR OF ALL LIARS!! IN 3.5 YEARS HE HAS NEARLY DESTROYED THE U.S.A!!!! GIVEN ANOTHER 4, HE WILL FINISH THE JOB!!! HE IS DEALING HIS WRATH UPON US, WITH EVERY BLOW HE WEAKENS US INTO A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY!!! HE IS THE DEMON THAT WILL COMPLETELY CONSUME US WITH FIRE AND DEATH!!! ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR HIM IS A FOOL, A SHEEP, A LAMB LED TO THE SLAUGHTER. WHEN SHALL WE THE PEOPLE RISE AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. WE SHALL TRY TO DO IT WITH ELECTIONS, BUT WHAT IF THAT FAILS??? WILL WE JUST LET HIM CONTINUE TO PLACE EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO DO WHATEVER HE PLEASES TO US, OUR CHILDREN, OUR GRANDCHILDREN??? AMERICA BETTER WAKE UP. COMPLACENCEY, YOUR BOATS, YOUR MOTORCYCLES YOUR HOUSES, YOUR JOBS, MONEY, GOLF FISHING 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS, HE WANTS THEM ALL!!! WHERE IS THE RESISTANCE?? ARE THEY AFRAID TO REACT. AT LEAST OCCUPY WALL STREET ARE DOING SOMETHING.

      • Kid Mixon

        HIS WIFE TAKES A 4 MILLION$$$ VACATION TO HAWAII INSTAED OF GOING TO CAMP DAVID BECAUSE SHE DIDNOT WANT TO DISAPPOINT THE GIRLS??? ON TAX PAYER MONEY??? SENT HIS GIRL TO EXOTIC LOCATION FOR SPRING BREAK, JUST THE SECRET SERVICE BILL FOR THAT WAS 255,000$$$, PLUS EVERYTHING ELSE!!! THE 1ST LADY,LOL, WENT TO SPAIN SO THE KING OF SPAIN COULD KISS HER HAND, ON YOUR MONEY!!! CAN YOU FEEL IT??? HOW DO YOU LIKE IT???? ABUSE OF POWER.!! HE SHOULD BE TRIED ALONG WITH HIS WIFE, FOR TREASON, IMPEACHED AND EXECUTED!!!

      • Deerinwater

        Boats and motorcycles? Naw?! ~~~ that bad mofro!

      • Deerinwater

        Keep his wife out of it you stupid $HIT!

        Attack him all you want to but keep his family out of your sick mind.

        You have crossing the line Mister.

        • Kid

          She is as big a part as he is. Do you have a thing for her. Be ye careful you may cross a line with coming to me with what sounds like a threat!!!MISTER

          • Deerinwater

            I’m telling you where you are standing Mister, ~ and I never threaten. I do keep promises. Have I made you one?

          • Kid

            You need to be careful. You really never know who is on the other end of this conversation!!! It sounds to me like you are the one with the sick mind, that you cannot converse without making threats. Having said that I can forgive you but do not threaten or harass me. I know where I am standing. I am standing for liberty, freedom of speech, of religion, and all that the constitution and bill of rights stands for. I think you are just looking to pick a fight. If I were you, I would look somewhere else to pick your fight. I am not a sheep, I am a sheepdog. I do not take threats lightly and am well prepared for any contingency. Number 1, the Law enforcement agencies and Homeland Security may be very interested in finding you, and #2 you would find me to be a very formidable opponent with the skills I have. So, tread lightly , sir, this is just a friendly, conversation and comment coming from a patriot who cares about where this great country is headed. I wish to offend no one nor threaten anyone, just making an informed opinion a statement to which I have my 1st amendment right. Do not threaten me. You should abandon this promise you keep. I do sometimes cross the line but sometimes it takes crossing the line ot make the touchdown. I am not stupid, and the grammar and tone that you use shows me that you are uninformed and most probably an ally to the Obama party. I mean you no offense. But do not offend me. And leave your htreats inside your own head, it is unbecoming of a real man and makes you look unwise. God Bless

          • Deerinwater

            You are a nobody, people of character and substance have more scruples about them then to speak harshly about others when it serves no meaningful purpose what so ever.

            Either you don’t know this or think it’s okay or that you can go about it uncontested, in either count, you are very wrong and out of line.

            All elected states-person family members are off limits to your filthy mouth and unprovoked insults on any public forum. We show respect to women and children in this nation. Rush can’t get away it and you can’t either.

            If you want to kick women around , kick Nancy or Gabby, they are open and fair game by virtue of her position and title. But not their family!

            Oh ! you are free to say whatever you too, ~ but that does not mean there is no cost involved.

            Why don’t you put a sock in it and we’ll call it good?

          • Kid

            It does serve a meaningful purpose when the wife of the president is blowing taxpayer dollars and she is aware of how this is effecting the hardworking people. Most people can’t even take a trip a hundred miles from their homes but she takes trips tjhat costs millions of our taxpayer dollars. He and She both know this is not right but He has already said they can do anything they want to do. So, I rightfully attack anyone in the Big Brother that wastes our dollars on trips that the commoners pay for and the little man could never afford trips like that. People that have to camp out in their own back yard. Do the Obamas have to pay for their own gas, NO! Do they have to pay for their food and lodging, NO! Do they have to spend what they spend on these extravaggant trips, NO! Are they going to continue to do it, YES until they are stopped. Do Not Be Deceived, the 1st Lady is running the show from the Bedroom!! Yes I am free to say what I want. And what cost is involved. I have not threatened the folks. I pray that Obama will come to his senses and take heed and direction from the Holy Spirit and start to guide this country in the right direction and stop his wife wasting our money. Who wears the pants in his marriage anyway? If I am a nobody and yes I agree with you there, then you are even less. Let us call a truce beginning now. This conversation is serving no purpose but to cackle back and forth. I made a comment on this page but did not know I was leaving it personally to you. For that I am apologizing. I only meant to make a general comment and it was not directed to anyone. If I messed up and made a reply to 1 of your comments I am sorry. I will be more careful. Socks fit in both our mouths now. So let’s not continue this. Again, I apologize for posting a comment in your territory. I meant to post in neutral ground. I will be more careful from now on. But please do not respond again. this will only escalate the problem. I have apologized for the mistake and I believe that is enough. I realize my error and quite satisfied that you have been justified in your response considering that you felt as if you were under personal; attack. I never meant for that to be. So, Forgive me please. For that I do apologize, but not for the comments I have made except for the personal attacks against you. I repeat, I am sorry for any peronal attacks against you. I am not sorry for attacks against the administration. I apologize for commenting in your territory. I do not apologize for commenting against the leadership!!! This is exactly what he is wanting, us to fight each other so as to distract us from the real issues. Let’s not let that happen. I leave you my Peace, God Bless you. God Bless America. God forgive America where we have failed you. God be with America as we try to climb out of this hole. God said,”If you will turn and look to my face I will come and heal your land” That is my prayer. Let it also be yours.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Kid, let’s be honest here. You had the right to say anything you wanted whether it antagonized somebody or not, but you made that comment in a public place and certainly you had to know that it was possible for somebody to take offense. I agree basically with what you say though.

            If Obama and his wife were dyed in the wool conservative Republicans, people like Deerinwater would have been screaming to the high heavens about the evil rich Republicans who are shamefully spending the poor man’s money, but instead it’s about his favorite dictator and his very visible and publicly opinionated wife. She’s as fair game for criticism as he is. He’s disingenuous as he is as intractable as are other people like him as he is unwilling to admit that what he offers in the way of solutions can’t work.

            No man or organization can spend it’s way out of debt by creating more of it to support social programs that only encourage waste and slothfulness and he and his kind know it. They can’t do that with their private finances because eventually the people he owes would shut off his credit which might just leave him out in the cold. He must have an ulterior motive. I wonder what it is? I know that he’s got to be more intelligent than he portrays here…

          • Deerinwater

            Bull$hit! I can’t speak for everybody, ~ so don’t attempt to group me ! I’m saying to you be “civil” and speak with a respectful tongue.

            It’s not acceptable to speak poorly of Nancy Reagan, Laura or Barbara Bush, Jackie, ~ anymore then the current first lady.

            I remember when a$$holes like you attacked Chelsea Clinton. Somehow, she wasn’t found pretty enough, calling her horse face.

            Don’t attempt to make it something that is complicated! It’s NOT.

            I’ll defend Newt Gingrich wife if I see the need. Just give me a reason. Keep you nasty gutter talk off the women and family of our elected statesman.

            “All”sitting US presidents “and” their families has enjoyed the best comforts our nation can provide. The Obama’s are only difference is the pedigree.

            If that’s the argument you wish to make! I SUGGEST THAT YOU MAKE IT or put a sock in it.

            Richard and Pat Nixon were just one of the many that pushed these boundaries of opalescence and prestige that come with the position .

            Don’t try to get stupid with me trying to divert your poor judgement and bad behavior as you act out your own bias.

            Raise the level of your banter above that of trailer trash.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, I didn’t say that he shouldn’t use a more civil way of saying what he said I just said that he had a right to say it as witnessed by the fact that he said it. All public figures are open targets for criticism. Though I’m an A$$hole I didn’t make an all out attack on Ms. Obama. Did I use nasty gutter talk? Maybe I did? I did group you with certain others, so what? If the shoe fits wear it and if not don’t worry about it. I get called all kinds of things but I don’t lose any sleep over it. Sticks and stones… As to the gutter talk? I’d revisit your last diatribe here as it looks a bit like gutter talk to me.

          • Deerinwater

            I don’t make a habit of directing personal attacks using off color expletives unless very provoked.

            Talking hard is something I am familiar with and I use it sparingly, I don’t enjoy dressing people down, while no shrinking violent to a good fight. When I’m standing on solid ground, I’m not backing down.

            Let us just tone it down when we discuss wife’s and children. They are not really a part of this thread topic.

            If you want to discuss wives, children, mothers, brothers, family, start a thread, keep it civil and make your point.

            Are we done here?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Gotta get the last lick in. I’m not the one that started with the expletives and whether we’re done or not is up to you. I’ll continue to remark about any public figure that I think is correct or incorrect and I don’t think that I need any advice on how to do it. Good night. .

  • emsaravia

    Globalization of power & stimulus to all the muslim of the world, 5 trillion to his gang, robbed all the assets from FANNIE MAE & FREDDIE MAC (trillions), rights ZAPPED, what the f— happened to MY AMERICA? IT’S BEING RAPED. The only consolation is that even the children of the media whores and the racist voters will suffer with us and our children. Ronny Chasen the Hollywood publicist was killed after she was bashing fraudbama on the economy and that she has lost half the savings in two years, 4 million $$$$$ another casualty.

  • Kid

    Katrael, thanks for the heads up. Yes I know that people will disagree. That does not offend me. But, Whe folks like deerinwater make the sort of remarks like calling me a stupid $hit and you have crossed the line mister and I am telling where you are standing and I never threaten but I do keep promises and you are a nobody and it’s ok to kick around women like Gabby or Nancy, (Only Kick around select women) 9Male Chauvinist Pig) and put a sock in it and such. This deerinwater as Geronimo say”Make good target for long bow”. It is the duty of the 1st lady to be prudent with the taxpayers money. Not squander it on HER wishes. She is very open in doing so. Like Jackie Kennedy was. But those were different times. This is now and when deerinwater is in a FEMA camp begging for food because this prez has wasted everything on gen motors and green NRG and wall street Solyndra, he will not be talking so loud then. Katrael, I have read some of your blogs. Very insightful, intelligent reading. I am 60 years old. Had a stroke in ’95. Failed lumbar fusion back surgery in ’05. When trying to find out why I was having migraines in ’07 while doing a brain angiogram, they found my aorta blocked from just below my kidneys all the way down. Then found 2 major blockages in 2 major arteries in my brain. The radiologist told my nurse wife he could not understand how I had not had a massive stroke. Cannot stint blockages. Only thing they can do is open craniotomy and I would die on the table. In ’08 I had an open aorta bi-femoral by-pass to save my legs. Had over 150 staples in me. I enjoy your writings and it will be a pleasure to keep up with them. “deerinheadlights” would maybe learn somethings from you too. God bless, and God Bless you too deerinwater aka “A Future Product of Natural Selection”

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Kid, thank you. Even at sixty it’s not too late for us to treat ourselves well so that we can feel as good as possible and if possible to become as healthy as we can. Be well and prosper.

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