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The North Dakota Oil Boom

March 16, 2012 by  

The North Dakota Oil Boom
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More oil is being produced in North Dakota than in any other State.

The average prices of a gallon of gas and a barrel of oil are near 150-year highs. Most pundits expect them to go higher. Are you ready for $5-per-gallon gasoline?

In a recent speech, President Barack Obama said: “We’re not going to be able to just drill our way out of the problem of high gas prices.” Actually, to a large extent, we can. For proof, let’s compare what’s been happening in California to the extraordinary accomplishments in North Dakota.

According to the Fraser Institute’s 2011 Global Petroleum Survey, California is the worst State in the Nation for its hostility to drilling. In fact, measured against the rest of the world, California ranks 91st.

Thanks to years of placating environmental extremists, California’s anti-drilling regulations make it almost impossible to drill for new oil anywhere in the State, onshore or off. As a result, its production of oil has fallen by nearly one-third in the past 20 years. As oil production has declined, so has tax revenue. Even with several gigantic tax increases during that period, oil revenues in the State are down.

That’s too bad, because California needs every penny of income it can get. It has one of the highest State sales taxes and personal income taxes in the country. Still, it’s not enough. The budget deficit for the coming fiscal year will top $9 billion — the fifth year in a row of billion-dollar deficits. Governor Jerry Brown’s proposed solution? Raise taxes even higher.

So you won’t be surprised to learn that wealthy Californians are fleeing the State as fast as they can. According to census data, almost one-third of its wealthiest residents — those earning $500,000 a year or more — fled the State between 2007 and 2009. On our Left Coast, they won’t drill for oil. And pretty soon, they won’t be able to drill many millionaires, either.

Let’s contrast the near-bankruptcy of the People’s Republic of California with what’s been happening in one of the most independent and entrepreneurial States in the union: North Dakota.

In 1995, the U.S. Geological Survey estimated that there were 150 million “technically recoverable barrels of oil” in an area of North Dakota known as the Bakken Shale. In 2008, the number had climbed to 4 billion barrels. Two years later, it had doubled to 8 billion barrels.

Today, thanks to vast improvements in recovery technology as well as the discovery of vast new oceans of underground oil, estimates of “recoverable” oil in the Bakken Shale have tripled to 24 billion barrels. That is more oil than is being produced anywhere else in the United States, including Alaska’s famed Prudhoe Bay. But it’s a small fraction of what is possible.

Experts say that current technology can extract only about 6 percent of the oil they know is underground in North Dakota. Total estimated oil reserves are thus around 500 billion barrels. And new discoveries are happening all of the time.

Let me include an interesting footnote on the subject of “reserves.” In 1980, the oil reserves in the United States were estimated at 30 billion barrels. Yet in the intervening 32 years, this country actually produced 77 billion barrels of oil. In other words, we produced more than 2.5 times more oil than the leading experts said there was 32 years earlier.

Today, the numbers are even more staggering. The amount of “technically recoverable” oil in the United States is estimated at 1.4 trillion barrels. (Please note that is “trillion,” with a “T.”) Unfortunately for us, most of that oil is located in areas Obama says we can’t search for it: in portions of Alaska and in waters off our shores.

Combined with known resources in Canada and Mexico, total recoverable oil in North America exceeds 1.7 trillion barrels. How much is that?  Let me put it in perspective: It is more than all the oil the world has used since the first oil well was drilled in Titusville, Penn., 150 years ago.

So far, all I’ve discussed is oil. When natural gas and coal are added to the total, the numbers are clear: We have enough energy reserves in the United States to fuel all of our needs for 100 years, even if we never made another discovery.

Back to North Dakota for a moment. The effect of the bonanza there has been extraordinary. Stephen Moore, my favorite Wall Street Journal writer, says that what is happening in Williston, N.D., “is what the Gold Rush might have looked like had it happened in the time of McDonald’s, Wal-Mart and Home Depot.”

The State has the lowest unemployment rate in the Nation, at just 3.3 percent. California’s, by contrast, is 11.1 percent. That doesn’t even count the unemployed people who have simply stopped looking for work. The true unemployment number is probably closer to 20 percent.

According to the Census Bureau, North Dakota led the Nation in job and income growth in 2011. While California is losing millionaires every day, North Dakota is creating them faster than anyplace else in the country. But even entry-level positions are benefiting. For example, a job flipping burgers at McDonald’s pays $18 an hour plus a “signing bonus” for new employees.

And while the State of California can’t begin to pay all of its bills — it even issued IOUs last year in place of tax refunds — the biggest argument in North Dakota’s State Capitol is how to spend all of the money that’s pouring in. Legislators in Bismarck have approved hundreds of “shovel ready” infrastructure projects, including roads, bridges, railroads and pipelines. But even while spending more on worthwhile projects, legislators also agreed to cut the State income tax.

What’s happening in North Dakota is a classic example of the one thing that would solve our energy problems everywhere — and most other problems in the economy, too. Unfortunately, it’s the one thing Obama and his team won’t even consider.

The solution is simple: Let the market work.

In his State of the Union address in January, Obama declared that “This country needs an all-out, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy.”

Like so much that comes out of our President’s mouth, the sentence was as misleading as his skilled staff of speechwriters could make it. What he meant was that his Administration would continue pouring billions of dollars into every wasteful alternative energy pipe dream they could think up, while continuing to slap higher taxes and more regulatory handcuffs on the businesses that can actually solve our energy needs and make money (and pay taxes) doing it.

Rather than foster energy independence, Obama wants to make us all dependent. Dependent on government, that is.

Want to reduce unemployment? Increase tax revenues? Get the economy humming again? Truly foster energy independence?

The answer to all of them is the same: Get government off our backs. Let the market work. The results will be amazing. Maybe next year we’ll have a government that’s willing to give it a try.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–ChipWood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    I can’t wait to hear how Obummer has “saved” North Dakota because of what HE’S done for that state. It will take a special documentary to show America how it’s possible to promote a planned economy and free markets at the same time (where’s Mikey Moore?).
    For those who have a high-priced education [and NO job], North Dakota is where it’s at, folks (sling those burgers). Of course, finding a place to live will be interesting, but that’s just one of the side-effects of a booming economy (and Uncle Scam’s indifference). Maybe Uncle Scam will step in with FEMA trailers and prove to North Dakota that the old fart “cares.” Good luck with that.
    California, it’s too bad that you chose to cut your own throats, but that’s what happens when you believe in Moonbeam and you didn’t force Arnie to act like a conservative instead of a closet utopian. While the roads are still open, Oregon is north, Nevada is east, and Arizona is right next door. Hawaii is southwestish. Break out those road maps, and MOVE.

    • lucitee

      The GREATEST gift we can give this rabid, greedy, power-hungry Government, is a “DEAR
      John, 0′Bama,Harry,Nancy, Biden, Bernanke, ETC. letter! Their “misguided HELP” is hindering! Their “If it HITS you it FITS you” mentality is no longer needed nor wanted! OUR STATES have the knowledge, focus, experience and dedication to take care of their OWN CITIZENS! THAT is what they were designated to do! But Political motivated greed and aggression has left us virtually at the Governments MERCY! The more DEPENDENT we are on Washington, the more they have control over US! We need to BREAK the “apron string” that is choking us, and retie it to WASHINGTONS Politicians! THEY work for US! It is PAST time to make them realize that!

      • Tom W.

        Where do WE the PEOPLE sign lucitee?!!

      • jorgaone

        HEAR! HEAR! Absolutely right on the mark–take heed, Statesmen!

      • FreedomFighter

        Dont you people realize,

        Obama is saving all those wonderfull resources for his MASTERS in the NWO to take and use as they please. All you need do is connect the dots

        Stop all drilling
        Agenda 21
        High Taxes – to cripple economy
        Growing police state — common you know its to suppress Americans not terrorists
        UN- NWO takeover of congress, president, military(Leon admitted it)

        We are facing a Marxist takeover of America thru the UN, our own congress and of course our Marxist and chief Obama

        Marxism in America

        http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Good site FF! All you have to do is read “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky and you’ll see that they’re not even trying to disquise what they’re doing!!! It’s like their playbook!

      • Rocky Night

        free America from the tyranny known as Obama!

      • DaveH

        It’s not just Obama. Both major parties have been building Government (and taking away our Freedom) steadily for the last 100 years and more.

    • Tom W.

      Hey s c, did you coin that “Uncle Scam” comment? That’s a good one and if you came up with it, YOU GO MAN! You ARE a man, I’m assuming, and if not, YOU GO GIRL! It’s time for us to make up our minds, are we going to continue to move forward or are we for the enviroment’s sake going to go back to the ole’ horse and buggy days? I personally believe that we can continue to search for fossil fuels and do it safely! It will cut into profits to do it safely, but SAFELY it must be done!!! We put profits in front of enviromental responsibility and it gets us in trouble every time! This planet is our home and there is not a viable option in sight! So safety and not profits should be our utmost concern whenever we concider drilling! The Gulf spill was terrible but could’ve been so much worse!!! We have the know how, let’s do it right and thrive or let us go back to the 1800′s and toil. You can’t have your cake and eat it too!

      • Steve

        Hey, Tom: I’m certainly not promoting recklessness; but(George Carlin said it[not me] so succinctly) – And I’m para-phrasing – ‘This planet will be here long after we’re ‘through’ with it. Worry about yourselves; the planet will be just fine’. It may take 100/1,000/10,000 years, but it will ‘recover’ and go on as if we were never here. Just a tiny geological tick!

    • Flashy

      SC….seeing as oil prices have gone up and down…and were as high now as they were during Bush II (remember that spike back in ’08? ) .. let’s review.

      The central question is what can any President do to lower oil prices? it’s a global market. Any oil drilled in the US will be at global world pricing. Unless you or anyone else advocates price controls.

      1. China is growing in the consumer area. The projections are the Chinese auto market will explode exponentially as the emerging middle class starts to have more disposable income.
      2. India will consume more oil as it has an expanding middle class AND an expanding manufacturing base
      3. Oil from the ME will slow down. The Saudis have peaked and most other ME countries are at that point or soon to be.
      4. The proposals for the oil (i.e. Keystone) aren’t aimed at domestic consumption. If it was, Keystone pipeline would go about as far as the first state..not to the Gulf and the ports.
      5. Subsidies to the oil industry are decades old in most cases. The case for subsidies is to aid and assist industries targeted for growth and desirability in growth. Unless you want to allocate scarce dollars in a deficit reduction atmosphere to continue subsidizing an industry making gadzillions in profits, those will need to be cut to reach budget neutrality
      6. Oil production is the highest in over a decade, new areas in the Gulf have been opened u, exploratory permits issued for new Alskan oil fields, and N Dakota appears not to have suffered with this “anti oil” administration. (amazing when the criticism from the Right is Pres. Obama is anti production)

      Everyone…with the exclusion perhaps of the extremists on the Right…agrees we need to expand our energy base. That will require subsidies to overcome the oil influence and dependency we now have. distribution systems alone will require time and monies.

      Yes…there are those who will cry about ending the oil addiction…make up fantasy facts in dream world…and fudge over the fact that a free market reliance will be a jolt and jerk situation. First comes the jolt, then we will be jerked into a new era..with the disruption to the economy and society being a serious slap in sudden adjustment. A wise policy would lay the base, and slowly ease into the transition with minimal disruption. Both to us and to the world at large (as our economy goes, so goes the world economy).

      bothersome is the concentration on the few failures in the energy policy. There are far more successes than failures…but the Right and the Big Oil industry purposely market the failures and diminish the successes. For every Solyandra, there are ten successes (I know the call will be to name these, I won’t take the time since the data is there for anyone to see if they so choose.). Heck…in Oregon the fight is over the access to the transmission lines between hydro and wind. They have the production, but lack the infrastructure to handle the supply and send it to California etc. And if you can tell me how tens and hundreds of energy producers can band together, obtain the necessary right of ways, permits, incur the costs, decide on allocation and ownership, and build a huge series of transmission lines to California etc…

      Now…pray tell…with all the above, you tell me how President Obama has “failed” in our energy policy. Seems to me, he’s doing what everyone wished for in a politician. Taking the long view instead of the short quick fix and delaying the day of judgment.

      • carrobin

        Good for you, Flashy–I wish more people would look at the facts instead of swallowing the whole Big Oil propaganda pill.

      • Tom W.

        Flushy, if you had 10 successes to name, you would’ve named ‘em!!! You and your friend carrobin are sorely disillusioned! There is NO viable energy source ready to even come close to replacing fossil fuels! I agree that we should use all other clean sources of energy whenever possible, but to continue to do the same STUPID stuff and expect different results, I believe is the definition of insanity!!! If we’re going to pour money into something, how about improving our ability to SAFELY extract fossil fuels from our precious planet?!! The government shouldn’t be in the bussiness of picking winners and losers! Their responsibility is to secure our borders, maintain our interstates, and to provide for our security as a nation, i.e. the armed forces. Our energy woes need to be placed in the hands of our free market system! It’s been demonstrated time and time again, governmment only mucks up what it touches!!!

      • ChristyK

        Last I heard, in Wyoming, the Feds haven’t issued a single permit to drill for oil on Federal lands (which are around 50%) of the state. The Feds take deposits on drilling rights and hold them indefinately waiting for approval of permits (which environmentalist make sure never get approved). Meanwhile, since oil companies have their funds tied up waiting for permits, they don’t have the cash for drilling elsewhere. Permits were regularly being approved until Obama got into office, so it is definitely his administration that his holding oil companies hostage and not allowing drilling which would make us more energy independent.

        FYI, wind energy doesn’t work unless you can store the energy for use when the wind doesn’t blow. Wind is mostly available at night and during the winter. Energy use is highest during the day and in summer. I’ve also described the technical reasons it doesn’t work before, so I won’t go into it again.

      • Eddie47DD

        Just the usual from Flashy folks move along. He provides us with much in the way of words but provides not one iota of proof in the form of links snd sources.

      • akduce

        Here in California, We gave a lot of money for Wind and solar power number of times over the last twenty years and less than 10% of the power provided to my power bill is wind and solar power today. Using this as base, How long do you think it will take for the wind and solar power to come on line? We here Mr Obama’s words, and still waiting to see any good from them!

        I know that some solar farms have fail do to the new laws that protect someones believe. Also, when will the News media start telling the truth, and stop the yellow journalism?

      • Falcon

        Finally a voice of reason on this thread/site.

      • ernest

        hay flashy, have you ever ask you self why Obama put billions in companys that have NO chance of replacing oil? there is all kinds of ways that would work better, just look at gas mileage ( in the 70s they had it down to 9 to 10 miles per gallon ) it was so bad people started buying foreign cars so they had to bring it up.
        they also us the law to stop any new ideas WAKE UP and look around they surpress anything that could replace oil AND WASTE MONEY ON THINGS THAT CAN’T

      • Brian

        Yes, Flashy, oil production is up….on private land. It is waaaay down on public land and woterways. Get the government out of the way and America can get on with growing the economy and putting every American back to work that wishes to have/keep a job.

      • Flashy

        A few follow up comments

        AKDuce…you’d have a few more volts headed your way if the transmission lines from the PacNW were upgraded. Thwarted for 20 years now, upgrading capacity would improve your lot tremendously. They are shutting down windmills and holding back waters because the lines can’t carry the production. Funding for the upgraded capacity infrastructure has been held up in the House. no chance of getting past Committee as yet.

        As for the successes..as i stated, the data is there an easily found…if you wanted to be informed. y’all want to remain uninformed and misled with misinformation…that’s your laziness, not my problem.

        And for those comments saying fossil fuel is the only thing we have to rely on for overall energy? May i remind you at one time man would never fly, that the atom was a fiction, that we had reached the limits of science, that going to the moon was never going to happen in our lifetime, that our phones have more computing power than those computers which were at one time the size of city blocks, quantum physics was undreamed of, etc etc

        America can do whatever we think of…the only obstacles are neanderthallic thinking and a “can’t do” mindset. i.e. the thinking of losers.

      • Eddie47DD

        “….. the data is there an easily found…”

        If the data is that easily found then enlighten us and post some links. Oh, thats right you cannot post a link that allows access to your imigination.

      • Flashy

        Eddie…please re-read my comments about laziness and neanderthallic thinking …

        Thank you

      • Sandra

        That is because N.Dakota is drilling on STATE owned land…Your wonderful Obama is preventing any permits on govt land..influenced by Environmentalist and whom ever is donating all that money to his compaign…And as far as “Green” energy, another Obama (via tax payers dollars) backed grants …Solar company has filed bankruptcy…You can’t just cut the lifeline of oil off until you have reliable sustainable and functional other energy sources..Just how “Green” is your lifestyle???

      • kkflash

        Flashy, your latest strategy for supporting your mistatements, half-truths, and outright lies is clear: Saying that the evidence to support your outlandish claims is so obvious that anyone who wishes could look it up. The problem is your credibility on this site is still zero, so no one will look up anything to support your BS. Just once, back up one of your statements with some facts, and you may have hope of an audience. Until then, your past performance has earned you the right to be guilty of lying until proven innocent.

        I’ll help you out with an example. You state: “Any oil drilled in the US will be at global world pricing.”
        No, the facts state otherwise. See the link below comparing West Texas Intermediate Crude Oil with Brent Crude Oil. Notice the big and widening difference since the beginning of 2011? Now, do you see how easy it is to refute your groundless lies?
        http://www.thestreet.com/topic/45741/oil-prices.html

      • Brad

        Hey Flashy,

        It’s not being lazzy, it’s called having credibility when you post long and laborus posts, some do expect sources that back up your point of view. In a fashionable sense you post your own personal opinions and expect everybody to hang on your words as gosple, well without any resourse information that’s all you have is your word and too many on this site have proven you wrong…

        For once Flahy be a credible man/woman and back up your comments.

      • tony

        Christy, you need to google Wyoming oil fields & see the hundreds of oil sites. The ranchers have joined the Sierra Club cuz the gas drillers are dumping the salt water on their pastures. The east slop has been closed by bill sponsored by Repub. senators from Wyoming to save the grazing lands & for tourism…

      • Flashy

        KKF….had you bothered to research why West Texas is trading below Brent, you’d realize it’s because the local refineries have excess capacity and can’t refine it …thus add in shipping costs (brent is less cost to ship to the end source…Europe etc). Happened back in the Bush II era also when gas went above $4.00/gallon. It stabilized back equal to Brent within a few months.

        As for sources….you want to stay uninformed? not my problem.

      • kkflash

        Flashy, another of your unsupported statements debunked as untrue: You state, “The proposals for the oil (i.e. Keystone) aren’t aimed at domestic consumption. If it was, Keystone pipeline would go about as far as the first state..not to the Gulf and the ports.”

        On what do you base your unsupported contention? … the WTI/Brent price differential? Note that the differential has only existed for about a year, and that the pipeline will take years to build. Do you think they intend to invest years and billions in a pipeline so they can take advantage of a differential that has been historically nonexistent?

        No, the reason the Keystone is destined for Gulf Coast is because that’s where the greatest concentration of refineries is, and not because they intend to ship all the Keystone oil out of the US. Proof at the link below:

        http://industryabout.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60&Itemid=79

      • Flashy

        “No, the reason the Keystone is destined for Gulf Coast is because that’s where the greatest concentration of refineries is” <—KKF

        Uh huh…sure it is. That's why the provisions to restrict exporting the oil was stripped from the bill.

      • DavidL

        Here is a constructive perspective:

        To be a modern Republican in good standing, you have to believe — or pretend to believe — in two miracle cures for whatever ails the economy: more tax cuts for the rich and more drilling for oil. And with prices at the pump on the rise, so is the chant of “Drill, baby, drill.” More and more, Republicans are telling us that gasoline would be cheap and jobs plentiful if only we would stop protecting the environment and let energy companies do whatever they want.

        Thus Mitt Romney claims that gasoline prices are high not because of saber-rattling over Iran, but because President Obama won’t allow unrestricted drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Meanwhile, Stephen Moore of The Wall Street Journal tells readers that America as a whole could have a jobs boom, just like North Dakota, if only the environmentalists would get out of the way.

        The irony here is that these claims come just as events are confirming what everyone who did the math already knew, namely, that U.S. energy policy has very little effect either on oil prices or on overall U.S. employment. For the truth is that we’re already having a hydrocarbon boom, with U.S. oil and gas production rising and U.S. fuel imports dropping. If there were any truth to drill-here-drill-now, this boom should have yielded substantially lower gasoline prices and lots of new jobs. Predictably, however, it has done neither.

        Why the hydrocarbon boom? It’s all about the fracking. The combination of horizontal drilling with hydraulic fracturing of shale and other low-permeability rocks has opened up large reserves of oil and natural gas to production. As a result, U.S. oil production has risen significantly over the past three years, reversing a decline over decades, while natural gas production has exploded.

        Given this expansion, it’s hard to claim that excessive regulation has crippled energy production. Indeed, reporting in The Times makes it clear that U.S. policy has been seriously negligent — that the environmental costs of fracking have been underplayed and ignored. But, in a way, that’s the point. The reality is that far from being hobbled by eco-freaks, the energy industry has been given a largely free hand to expand domestic oil and gas production, never mind the environment.

        Strange to say, however, while natural gas prices have dropped, rising oil production and a sharp fall in import dependence haven’t stopped gasoline prices from rising toward $4 a gallon. Nor has the oil and gas boom given a noticeable boost to an economic recovery that, despite better news lately, has been very disappointing on the jobs front. This was totally predictable.

        First up, oil prices. Unlike natural gas, which is expensive to ship across oceans, oil is traded on a world market — and the big developments moving prices in that market usually have little to do with events in the United States. Oil prices are up because of rising demand from China and other emerging economies, and more recently because of war scares in the Middle East; these forces easily outweigh any downward pressure on prices from rising U.S. production. And the same thing would happen if Republicans got their way and oil companies were set free to drill freely in the Gulf of Mexico and punch holes in the tundra: the effect on prices at the pump would be negligible.

        Meanwhile, what about jobs? The Wall Street Journal is offering North Dakota as a role model. Yes, the oil boom there has pushed unemployment down to 3.2 percent, but that’s only possible because the whole state has fewer residents than metropolitan Albany — so few residents that adding a few thousand jobs in the state’s extractive sector is a really big deal. The comparable-sized fracking boom in Pennsylvania has had hardly any effect on the state’s overall employment picture, because, in the end, not that many jobs are involved.

        And this tells us that giving the oil companies carte blanche isn’t a serious jobs program. Put it this way: Employment in oil and gas extraction has risen more than 50 percent since the middle of the last decade, but that amounts to only 70,000 jobs, around one-twentieth of 1 percent of total U.S. employment. So the idea that drill, baby, drill can cure our jobs deficit is basically a joke.

      • Flashy

        DavidL…best watch it. Sound reasoning and facts on this site will be met with charlatan magic and links to economic think tanks of dubious reputation and nature.

      • Opal the Gem

        Flushy since you will not post any links or sources we know you are at best making up your “facts”. A month or so ago ohoh and I both proved you to be a lier on several points you claimed to be true about the Civil War.

      • Flashy

        Opal..and if you will recall, i acknowledged that there were several Confederate states which did not include “slavery” as official reasons for secession. That did not dispel the overall point being made that slavery was the main reason for the southern rebellion. But, as you state, you did show where there were several states which had leaders who mouthed the slavery reason openly, but did not place such as a “official reason’ for their rebellion.

        So … you think my statements and opinion are erroneous, go for it. Do it again. If you can ..

      • Dennis48e

        It is a good thing Flashy pants nose doesn’t grow longer with each lie he tells. If it did his nose would reach all the way across the Pacific Ocean.

      • Opal the Gem

        “Opal..and if you will recall, i acknowledged that there were several Confederate states which did not include “slavery” as official reasons for secession.”

        Flushy you only admitted that AFTER I proved your claim that all significant writings in the South said slavery was THE reason for seceeding was a lie.

      • Old Geezer

        Want to see what unchecked drilling will do ? Google earth Booneville, AR. Just north of town is Ferguson valley. All the water wells are not fit to drink out of. The creek has scum floating on it.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        I’m calling you out on the Boonville Arkansas claim Opal old Geaser. I live about 45 minutes away from there and have never heard about those problems and i have relatives that live even closer who have not heard about it. When I tried looking it up I found nothing but glowing reports about the area.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        I’ll hand this to Flushy, he’s resilient! But the comedian Ron White is sure right about ome thing, ya can’t fix stupid!!!

      • Smokin’ Joe

        Most of North Dakota’s oil actually belongs to private individuals who purchased mineral rights from landowners or to landowners, either of whom have leased those rights to oil companies for an up-front fee and royalties on production. Federal Land is only a relatively small fraction of the land in the state. Because of this, the Federal Government cannot deny leases to mineral rights it does not own, and the boom in drilling the Bakken (and the underlying Three Forks Formation), continues, despite numerous attempts by the Federal Government to interfere.

        Those attempts include studies of ‘greenhouse gas emissions’ from oil and gas operations, the attack on hydraulic fracturing, and even prosecution of seven oil companies over 28 dead birds (migratory waterfowl) found on some 6000+ drilling and production locations (seeking fines of $15,000/bird and jail time for oil company personnel).

        So far, these have failed (the bird case was tossed out of court). Fracking, and in fact the entire industry is regulated in North Dakota by the North Dakota Industrial Commission, which does a great job, and as for global warming, why mitigate what isn’t happening?

        I am sure they’ll try something else. The Keystone Pipeline would likely have carried Bakken oil to the Cushing OK, hub as well as Canadian Tar Sands crude, and the administration has stalled that, too, but the workaround to low pipeline capacity was already being implemented, and the unit trains are running, hauling crude oil.

        Obama has been no friend to the oil industry, at least not ours in the US. Leases on Federal Land were pulled in Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado (and other western states where the Federal Government is the major landowner), after millions had been invested in preliminary work figuring out where to drill. Many of those displaced oil industry personnel and a significant number of people from Idaho are in North Dakota now, working in the oil patch.

      • Mike Ricks

        Sorry Flash but I don’t understand the thinking on the Middle Class that has been destroyed by our Government. Our Government also thinks we have no problem in this USA but look around lots of folks out of work. Many Americans forced out of work by Illegal’s from all over the World Being coddled by our Admin. 2.000.000 Illegals in California you think this may take a toll on LEGAL America inn getting jobs. As I recall Al (Green Earth) Gore was discredited in this lie put out our Government. I just moved to California- Where I grew up but was born in Florida as soon as I moved back to Cali. I became a Criminal because of VERY LIBERAL Gun Laws. I am a Republican and I say that carefully as our 2 party system is BROKEN. The Government does not need to teach our Children, Union School Teachers/Child Molesters are protected from Firing or Prosecution by Union Contracts but be happy your Children will soon be taugth Homo sexuallity Califfornia is a very Beautiful state that has been taken over by Lobbyists and a lot of Crooked Politicians who line their pockets with the Money’s that should be used to protect our Children but instead pay’s for Preverted Lifestyles for them the Union Leaders and anyone else who holds their hand out for payoffs. We need GOD Back in AMERICA
        and in our Schools, in our CONSTITUTION and in all our homes. ENGLISH needs to be our Language no Country will or should change their Language for Visitors/Terrorists.
        Our Country was founded on CHRISTIANITY Celebrate it and we will be a Great Country again. Condemn it and feel the Wrath of God. I am an American in a foreign land law makers do your jobs or lets VOTE someone in that will be glad to take your places.
        My Opinion

    • kodster

      What’s keeping Obama from choking the market in North Dakota is the fact that all these oil rigs are on private land. Until they figure out that the EPA can shut down the rigs, the government can have no say. The agreements are between the oil companies and the farmers/ranchers who own the land. I live in the middle of the Bakken fields, so I see it first hand. It is BOOMING here, that’s for sure! I live right off the main highway, and the trucks, oil rig drilling and everything is non-stop, 24 hours a day, because we’re trying to get every bit of it we can, before we’re shut down by the government.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Keep the faith kodster!

    • http://www.facebook.com/oross122609 Olin Ross

      There are pros & cons to everything………..

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Isn’t that a fact?!

    • Ranger

      Wow; isn’t that great, North Dakota has billions of barrels of oil available. Only problem is, to derive the energy from that source we have to burn it, which, as every single reputable scientist in the world can tell you, is only going to exacerbate the problem we’re already experiencing, which involves increasing the ambient temperature of the “world ocean” which, covering 75% of the globe, and circulating world-wide, is in the process of maybe forever altering our climate, usually in a bad way. In fact, if multinational corporations could be prevented from making the decisions that “run the world” to their liking, we would never have reached this trigger point, and alternative, vastly superior sources of energy, including Geothermal, OTEC (ocean thermal energy conversion), as well as wind and solar would currently be supplying nearly 100% of our energy needs, and we would have completely replaced all those grossly inefficient, energy wasting internal combustion engines (think; automobiles) many decades ago. We COULD have dodged the “Global Warming” bullet. And yes, that would have been the scenario if the world’s governments weren’t completely controlled by wealthy “puppet-masters”. But hey, we’ve had a great run, . . . . and assuming you’re not a complete history illiterate, you are aware that NO great, dominant society has ever lasted forever! They’ve all managed to do themselves in, somehow!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        LIBTARD!

      • Mike Ricks

        History shows the Roman Empire fell the same way we are going but we have done it a lot faster. Sports-Gladiators-Football-Basketball-Baseball all of which only supports a segment of our society but I would support throwing politicians to the Lions or how bout just letting them spend time with POOR Americans the one.s who have fell between the cracks like 25.000 Homeless many veterans on Skid Row in L.A. you think these folks care about science and history I would not bet on it. The only thing the Global Warming Garbage has done is caused or Helped Companies Exodus the USA Environmental Protection Agency puts more People out of work than Than it helps & gives the Government way to much control of what should be state issues or States Rights if you will
        & now the EPA is looking at Carbon Dioxide which would cover even the Air we breath Literally no place for the US Government to be. The air I breathe is provided by GOD not the EPA I think Science and History are Great but if we don’t change the way we do things soon meaning Dependance on Foreign oil when we have so much here Science can make it safe but lets start thinking about People not the Birds & Bees. And there are many starving in America no one can see them from their Offices but they are there.
        Think about it

    • http://none Richard Pawley

      I have never lived in California and have only visited there once but I have friends who have left California and moved to both Nevada and Idaho in the last few years. I remain convinced that “The Big One” will finally do it’s number on LA in the summer of 2014 and said so and why in my updated autobiography last year. Many of those who contribute here are not believers and the idea of a personal God who cares but who also holds men accountable is beyond their comprehension.

      The rest of those reading here must carry the burden and pray every day until November that God works His will on the elections (and not just the presidential election but the senate races especially). Without a big change in the senate NOTHING WILL CHANGE. It was congress who passed Obamacare and it is congress who wants to see us pay far more for food and fuel. If they didn’t want that then they wouldn’t be unable to come up with a budget – in years – and they wouldn’t be spending all the money they can borrow or create, far more than any tax could ever hope to pay back. That being the case and since the Progressives will not cut the spending, the result must be inflation. Americans are going to be shocked at $10 a gallon milk and $11 a gallon gasoline. Even the government expects riots as a result but I suspect that even the National Guard will prove insufficient to quell them in the major cities.

      If the president is re-elected it could be far worse than that by the time he goes back to Chicago blamed as the one who destroyed the economy of the United States. It will NOT BE OBAMA alone however, who has done this but the rich Democrats who have poured hundreds of millions into his campaign, and all the senators who feel that Marxism is the best thing for the United States, and for all those who vote for him. Sadly we had little choice last time and sadly most don’t realize the that creation of money out of nothing is the primary cause of inflation. Just as forcing socialized medicine on the population will cost more money than anyone can now imagine, even more that the “twice as much as Obama originally said” while greatly lowering the quality of medicine. This too will add to the inflation if the Supreme Court decides that our Constitution is simply inadequate and they chose to rule for those who want more free stuff.

      Praying that the Supreme Court will find the unconstitutional Obamacare unconstitutional is equally important too (and more immediate as they are going to begin studying it in a few days). Just as this fall’s election will be the most important of our lifetime, so this decision by the Supreme Court could well be the most the most important one in the next 50 years. Very interesting times we are living it. I hope we all survive them. Many are preparing for the hard times ahead and I would recommend that too.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        I would also recommend fastening your seat belts, we’re in for a rough ride. I agree Rich, if gas and milk hit those prices, there will be bedlam in the streets!!! But for all you believers, there is GOOD news, JESUS IS COMING!!!

    • JUKEBOX

      I want to watch Obama try to fly all over the world in AF1 using just solar, wind or algae to get that bird off the ground. He wants to mock the rest of us with his BS comments about the oil crisis, so we need to demand that he shows us how much he believes in his energy program that he doesn’t have.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Can you say crash and burn JB?!

    • KHM

      @sc,
      I moved from the People’s Republic of California a decade ago to Oregon. If anyone from California moves up here, just don’t bring your California mentality. The boom in North Dakota is fascinating; especially happening when the rest of the country is suffering either from their own self-mposed foolishness (i.e. CA and the Northeast) or from regulations by this administration.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        How do you like being an Oregonian KHM?

  • Michael J.

    Dear Chip,
    All that oil stuff is real nice but does not mesh well with the Rothschild families plans for world domination and population reduction and therefore will not come to past in any way beneficial to the American public.

    For the entrepreneurial realist there are alternatives:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onuoMlYPFbo&feature=related

    This ready to produce unit is available for mechanically challenged individuals, or for those who beleive that time is of the essence.

    There are however, plenty of do-it-yourself you-build plans as well.

    • Sirian

      Michael J.,
      The gasifier is a very good idea and works quite well but here’s the problem. . . are the environmentalists going to allow something such as this since there would have to be more trees cut down and spotted owls displaced to fuel it? Not discounting the viability of the gasifier but there is that other side that will erect blockages. That then will subversively lead to more Federal regulations that could very well limit if not ban such devices, who knows. But again, yes, it’s a good idea but as so many other good ideas that have emerged here and there, will it be allowed to survive? Doubtful, very doubtful. As an energy source for survival applications it would be a very, very good thing to have at home. When it comes right down to it though, do you honestly believe the Rothschild’s have any concern over something such as this? No, I seriously doubt it since they more than likely haven’t the slightest idea or concern over things like this.

      • Michael J.

        Sirian,
        I have not, and do not intend to ask anyones permission to survive.
        Besides, I have enough leftover wood/fuel from a now failing business condemed by the Obamaconomy designed decline.

      • Sirian

        Thankfully you feel that way Michael J. I’m happy that you do have plenty of wood stored away. For Gods’ sake, hang on to it!! I’m sorry that your business is failing. That too I wish were not so. But you’re right, absolutely right – Obamaconomy is and will continue to destroy not only our economy, your business and thousands of others, but he will also destroy our Constitution altogether. They keep getting closer and closer to accomplishing that day by day.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Michale

      What happens when everyone has one of these units and then we run out of trees?

      Boy the tree huggers will really be happy now. You better go ahead and round them all up and get rid of them because they are going to be pissed. I bet it would be simpler to just get 2 trillion barrels of oil out of the ground and help an oil starved market.

      • Tom W.

        The answer to that is simple Brad, every time you cut down a tree, plant two!!! Duhhh…

      • Flashy

        Gasifiers can use combustibles other than wood. I had written about them a few months ago on this site as a potential alternative for home heating and electricity … and got slammed.

    • Tom W.

      Now there’s a guy that you’re glad had some spare time on his hands! He’s on to something, but I believe there are some kinks that need to be worked out before this technology is ready for market. Still this is ingenious and it’s things like this that give me hope that no matter how bad the global economy thing goes, we’re going to be alright! Maybe a total melt down of society is what is needed to get government off our backs and put of our pockets!!! We’ll just have to go back to doing things the way our great grandparents did. The Rothchilds can kiss my red, white, and blue a$$ Sirian!!! Freakin’ Limeys!

      • Michael J.

        Tom W.,
        Wood Gasifier technology has been around for a long time and was used extensivly in the 2nd world war when gas was scarce.

        http://cturare.tripod.com/bio.htm

      • Tom W.

        Excellent post Michael!!!

      • Sirian

        Wait a second Tom W., I got my a$$ in line first!!! . . . :)

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Well let’s see you can go without food for 6 months, water for 6 days but air 6 minutes. That simple fact gives you a perspective on what’s important to sustain life.

      Let me just point out a few things related here.

      Fracking the way it is being done pollutes all of our precious and disappearing drinking water and creates earthquakes. Minor detail right. Sort of like the small print side effects on our drug commercials. Just read it really fast like it’s nothing.

      Forests are the LUNGS of the PLANET. They sequester CO2 and produce oxygen. But you all are OK with destroying them so that we can grow corn and soy to feed beef and chickens so that we can all drink milk and eat meat which is the proven cancer link. And you are OK with wiping out the last arboreal forest in Canada so that we can extract the dirtiest oil of all from the Tar Sands.

      On the topic of food let’s just say that there are great documentaries that are trying to sound the alarm bell on what’s around the corner. A perfect storm is brewing. Watch these 3 movies. . Food Inc, Dirt, The End of the Line.

      The new GOP Conservative Marie Antoinette saying is.

      So what! Let them eat and breathe gas!

      • DaveH

        How about some references, Eric, to back up your fabricated facts? Certainly you don’t just expect us to take the word of a Progressive?
        http://reason.com/archives/2011/05/19/plentiful-fuel

      • DaveH
      • Tom W.

        So are you ready to revert back to life as it was in the 1800′s?!! The problem we have today is that the elites want to have their cake and eat it too!!! They want to keep all the gas guzzling SUV’s and jet setting around the globe, but only for them Eric! Not for us peasants!!! Those of us that they see fit to live, will be their slaves! Are you one of them Eric?!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss&ob=av2e

      • DaveH
      • Michael J.

        Eric Bischoff,
        In other words, you’re just another America hater who is anxiously awaiting the 500 million cap on population because humans deserve it for what we have done to the planet, right??? The Green movement that your type opines for is nothing more than rehashed Bolshivik tactics. You can’t even claim originality because it has all been done before and no one need look further than the now defunk Soviet Union to see the end result. As further proof, note that one of the first to endorse the Green movement in America was Mikhail Gorbachev.

      • DaveH

        Remember, Folks, the Progressives are the ones who brought us the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax. Do people still believe those people? The Progressive Leaders are interested in two things only — their Power, and our total subjugation. They will use whatever excuses we allow them to accomplish those deeds.

      • DaveH

        And by the way, Eric, thanks largely to the suburbs (which Liberals love to hate), we have trees in places where they didn’t thrive before. Also there has been extensive reforestation performed by private lumber companies (out of greed — Oh, the Horrors!). As a result of those and other factors, we have more trees in this country now than ever before:
        http://forestry.about.com/od/foresthistory1/a/tree_plt_timeln.htm

      • Tom W.

        Common sense Dave, take a tree, plant a tree. It’s like you said GREED is our problem! When we do things with the BIG picture in mind, we do a pretty good job! God gave us this precious planet with everything we need to thrive, He also COMMANDED us to be good stewarts of what He has given us, we’ve done a pretty piss poor job so far, and are now reaping what we’ve sown!!! It’s not money that is the root of all evil, it’s the LOVE there of!

      • DaveH

        The word “Greed”, Tom, is just one of many manipulative words used by people to badger people out of property which was legally obtained by voluntary transactions with other people. When people want property (money or otherwise) from other people who wouldn’t voluntarily give it, the first place they typically start is by trying to shame them with manipulative words.
        The ironic thing is that the person, who wants somebody else’s property, would have the nerve to call that somebody else “greedy”.

      • Flashy

        DaveH…aside from your continued blathering concerning issues which you have no clue about except the title of the link sounds good…you do realize do you not that the reforestation practices of private timber replaces trees…but results in a reduction of the forest breathing ecosystem?

        Here’s a way to think about it even your minor thinking processes can relate to.

        Private forest land. Replanted. looks neat and clean. Tress all in a row, no underbrush, fertilized and sprayed regularly, thinned etc. Very park like right? Where’s the animals? Why aren’t the streams running at historical high flows as viewed from the erosion and routes of the past (pre Logging)? .

        Then a natural growth area. you have to hack and slash and fight through the brush, crawl over fallen logs, look for openings to get through, and you see signs of animals everywhere as food is abundant, streams are clear and running…

        Now..what were you saying about trees?

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        DaveH…aside from your continued blathering concerning issues which you have no clue about except the title of the link sounds good…you do realize do you not that the reforestation practices of private timber replaces trees…but results in a reduction of the forest breathing ecosystem?

        Flashy. You do realize that your credibility here is 0. The links DaveH provides are both good reading and on point to the issues being debated. The links that you provide are much like Obama’s LFBC. They don’t exist.

      • Flashy

        Vicki…realize this. When you, DaveH, KKF, JeffH etc. state i have no credibility…what that means is that you can’t find anything to refute the facts cited or have a counter argument to the opinion expressed.

        Can’t argue against the facts or opinion, you attack the character/messenger.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Flashy, what Vicki is saying is that you, in fact, have no credibility which has been proven on many occasions…your Alinsky influenced basis of arguement does not allow you to post actual hard facts or actual links of referenc but does allow you to spew doublespeak and half truths. Truth to you is relative and changing…everything to you is relative and changing. The end is what you want, the means is how you get it. Simply put, you are a manipulator.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Oh, and Flashy…as an FYI for you…Posting references and links to back up and support comments, as many of us do on PLD, does have value where establishing ones credibility is concerned.

      • Flashy

        JeffH….as i stated…when you guys (gang of four) start with the lacking credibility’ argument…it means but one thing. You have no counter to the facts or opinion stated. it’s fairly easy…if you want to show my reasoning or facts are in error…go ahead and cite sources where you can lay basis to that claim.

        Y’all want to remain uninformed, ignorant of reality, and reliant on misinformation? Not my problem.

      • DaveH

        No Flashman, what it means is that you have NO Credibility.
        Here is just one of many examples:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/17/obama-shafts-responsible-homeowners/#comment-534889
        Follow the thread to my comment that starts with “Here is silly”

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Flashy, it’s been dome time and again…if you prefer to remain an ignorant liberal then continue on with your denial. Fortunately what you claim and what is real is visible for all to see.

        It’s your lack of credibility, not mine, DaveH, Vicki or even KKflash’s credibility that’s in question here.

      • tony

        flashy, your wasting your time with these teabagging tin foil wearing types. You give good scientific examples w/backed up sources & they quote Forbes & Fox & James Inhoff, their puppet masters that have convinced them that the people that gave them the Clean Air Act & the 40 hour week are their enemies. They spew their corporate pablum and they will end up barking about where’s their Social Security check just like their hero Ayn Rand. The right has been scaring them for 50 years about negroes, mexicans and liberals, while convincing them that giving up their pensions so their bosses can get another yacht is good for them. Just enjoy driving them crazy with the FACTS & laugh at the dreck they have been fed by the oil companies. Unfortunately their kids will suffer for it with more storms, more droughts & hotter temperatures(it’s 80 today in MN in March). Last year was hotter across the south than the 1930′s but we will all die before it gets too bad & the kids can figure it out later.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        tony, easy enough to see, by your little tirade, that you are as creditable a lemming as Flashy. Excuse me whle I LMAO!

      • JUKEBOX

        Eric is getting his “FACTS” from the same place Obama and Biden are: Out of his posterior.

      • DaveH

        Tony says — “flashy, your wasting your time with these teabagging tin foil wearing types. You give good scientific examples w/backed up sources”.
        DaveH says “What?”.
        Scientific examples? Backed up with sources?
        I can’t thank you Liberals enough for commenting on here. Now people can really see what the self-anointed “intellectual” class is really like. I would call you guys dumber than dirt, but dirt didn’t do anything to me to deserve such an insult.

      • Vicki

        tony says:

        flashy, your wasting your time with these teabagging tin foil wearing types. You give good scientific examples w/backed up sources

        O Nos. Tony has found out how to ad hominem attack. Whatever shall we do?

        Btw Tony. Just for fun show us where flashy has EVER provided backed up sources for anything let alone some scientific examples. Free clue. The source will be in blue text and be something called a URL. No hurry. We’ll wait. NOT :) :) :)

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        …if you want to show my reasoning or facts are in error…go ahead and cite sources where you can lay basis to that claim.

        We do. Often. Why here is one in this very thread.
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/03/16/the-north-dakota-oil-boom/#comment-557686

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “…if you want to show my reasoning or facts are in error…go ahead and cite sources where you can lay basis to that claim.”

        Hey Flashy pants its been done many times by many different people.

      • Earl

        Sounds like a typical wacko environmentalist vegan to me…..Sorry, but your vegan technology has been dis-proven by many eminent nutritionists as baloney. The metabolism of homo sapiens needs saturated fats in it’s diet, although coconut oil will suffice. If you don’t want meat, knock yourself out, but the rest of us have been surviving for centuries, if not eons, on meat, milk and other non-vegan sources just fine; and don’t even start on the phony global warming crap! Your system has been examined and found wanting, (for any REAL evidence) Nice try…..Even the Bible in Genesis teaches that!

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        It’s so easy to rile you guys up and then I love reading the crap you guys come up with. You are all in complete denial of reality. Look up your own facts that’s what the search engines, books and documentaries are for DaveH. Just because you just can’t believe something doesn’t mean you are right. Try to open your mind.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        It’s so easy to rile you guys up and then I love reading the crap you guys come up with. You are all in complete denial of reality. Look up your own facts that’s what the search engines, books and documentaries are for DaveH. Just because you just can’t believe something doesn’t mean only you are right. Try to open your mind.

  • cawun cents

    Wherever expedience is thrown under the bus,you will find progressives at work.
    California has had its fill of the progressive mindset.
    The up and coming younger generation is actually learning that these people are bad for their environment.Worse even than big corporations.To save the Delta Smelt,the San Joaquin Valley has been nearly decimated.Once the most fertile farmland in the world,it has been turned into the equivalent of the Oklahoma dust bowl.For a fish that probably wont survive extinction anyway.
    Mind numbingly stupid things are done in California’s legislature.
    Dont expect that to change for at least a generation.
    But then watch the heads roll.
    Cheers!
    -CC.

    • DaveH

      It’s all about Power. The Leaders are simply using whatever excuse the people will buy to build their Power and Perks.

    • Ranger

      Verrrrry interesting: when one reads Flashy’s comments, they are spelled correctly, use proper grammar, syntax, sentence structure, etc. When his comments elicit responses, they are usually misspelled, grammatically incorrect, and generally show no understanding of syntax. So . . . . . . who’s more educated, intelligent, and credible????

      As to cc’s comments about how we’ve “destroyed”, the San Joaquin Valley, actually, that began when we initially brought water into an arid, desert environment, which should certainly NEVER have been allowed to grow water-intensive crops like cotton, rice, etc. The build-up of toxic levels of selenium, for example, at reservoirs like Kesterson, was predictable, but was allowed regardless in order to fatten the wallets of greedy SOB’s like Stewart Resnick.

      Hey, don’t believe me; Google the names above and discover the facts yourself. (Facts are such inconvenient things!)

      • DaveH

        Surely you jest, Ranger? Flashman regularly misspells words, but I have better things to do than call him on his spelling. However, I have often proven his lies, his equivocations, his slander, his condoning of theft, his veiled threat of violence against me for daring to say truth that he can’t deny, and the fact that he has plagiarized the work of another person and offered it as his own (albeit, the plagiarized work was full of misinformation that any person educated in Science could have easily spotted). Also he has assumed multiple User IDs in the past for who knows what sick purpose (Follow the thread to “Bob Livingston says”):
        http://personalliberty.com/2011/05/16/what-now/#comment-341930
        Add to that the constant adolescent manipulative techniques that Flashman employs in an effort to sway people with weak minds. In fact in the above linked thread you might notice that Jovianus uses the same kinds of techniques as commonly employed by his alter-ego — Flashman.
        The truth is that Flashman tries too hard to misinform people for me to believe anything other than that he is feeding at the trough and his sole purpose is to disrupt honest inquiry on this board.
        Most Liberals on this board stay away from him (and smartly so), probably to avoid being labeled as birds of a feather to Flashman who is most likely a person in real life who will do whatever it takes to get his way — Damn Morality. In other words, a Sociopath.
        Flashman is a good example to people of what we’re in for if we let these Progressives take any further control of our lives.

  • http://www.lt-group.com Mike

    It’s not important whether there are 1 million or 1 trillion barrels of oil available for extraction. Sooner or later the wells will run dry and therefore humanity must be prepared for the shift from a fossil fuel driven economy to one that is sustainable both economically, socially and environmentally. Please check out all the solid scientific research and reporting on this subject. It would also behoove you all to read some history about how societies have risen and fallen by not planning ahead and using up all the available resources i.e. Easter Islanders… Drilling for oil is only living in denial. Fossil fuels will run out one day and we’re leaving our children a completely unsustainable and polluted world. Can you all sleep at night with that on your minds? If you can then you’re smoking something. We are on the titanic and people are arguing over who pays the bar bill. Wake up folks! MA

    • Gary L

      Mike,
      Some day is a long time off. Just because we will run out of oil “some day” doesn’t mean we should stop using it now. I am all for developing new energy sources, but lets not force every one to abandon the ones we still have before the new forms are fully developed and proven.Especially when the new ones are so damned expensive.

      • http://www.lt-group.com Mike

        Weaning will take quite a while it’s not about 100′s of years it’s about a few decades. In any event the economic and environmental systems will collapse before that coupled to the social unrest that will follow these collapses. Fasten your seat belts….

      • eddie47d

        The problem is Mike that they want it all NOW. Drill Baby Drill until it is all gone for short term profits and a lousy future. They should have taken a lesson from the housing industry where they built themselves into “extinction” and ruined the economy. This nation is drilling like crazy and they want more and that 100 years will be here sooner than later at their rate. The Bakken Oil Fields in North Dakota are begging for workers because of all the well heads. So there is plenty of drilling going on. We need a well rounded energy policy to sustain ourselves and some folks only have a one sided vision.

      • Vigilant

        Gary L, you are of course right. And Mike needs to change his screen name to “Chicken Little.”

        Mikey says, “In any event the economic and environmental systems will collapse before that coupled to the social unrest that will follow these collapses. Fasten your seat belts….”

        What a crock! While the economic system is indeed in a precarious position, it is due in part to the very thing Mikey advocates. The focus on alternative energy AT THIS TIME, while discouraging exploitation of existing resources, is helping to run down the system. As for collapse of the environmental system, that’s pure wacko speculation.

        Our focus at this time is to wrestle the alligators in the swamp, not to drain it. Certainly, we need to look at draining the swamp in the LONG run, but it’s the alligators that will kill you NOW, not the swamp.

      • Tom W.

        Spot on Vig!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Gary L, correct. Let the “free market” develop the affordable alternative energy sources and get the extremist environmental influences out of their crony government partnership and end the “forced green” energy policies.

        California is the prime example of just how ruthless the environmental exremist/crony government link can be. California’s agriculture has been suffering for decades for just that reason. While the San Francisco/Los Angeles areas dictate California’s water policy, environmental extremists write checks to re-elect their political partners, Jerry Brown, Diane Feinstein, Pelosi and then write the rules and legislation that block the water flows into the greatest agricultural producing area in the world…California’s central valley.

        Yes folks. it’s selfisness, greed and power that that these people thrive on…not a moral fiber in their make-up.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        President Obama’s Record on Oil and Gas Production
        http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2012/01/24/president-obamas-record-on-oil-and-gas-production/

        Since President Obama took office, total U.S. oil and natural gas production has increased. This increase, however, has happened in spite of the President, not because of him. The increase in production is occurring on private and state lands, the use of which is much harder for the President to restrict (at least in the short term). Meanwhile, production on federal lands is decreasing significantly. This decrease isn’t a result of President Obama’s policies exclusively, but it is the result of decades and policies that have systematically reduced energy production on federal lands.

        The Basic Facts:
        - The government leases less than 2.2 percent of federal offshore areas and less than 6 percent of federal onshore lands for oil and natural gas production
        - Oil and natural gas production on federal lands has fallen by over 40 percent since 2000.
        - Since 2000, oil production on private and state lands has risen by 11 percent and natural gas production has risen by 40 percent.
        - President Obama has leased less than half of the offshore acres than President Clinton leased.

        President Obama cannot honestly claim credit for the increase in oil and natural gas production over the past few years. This misconstrues the facts and it is an inaccurate portrayal of his administration’s record on energy issues. After all, his administration did not hold a single offshore lease sale in fiscal year 2011, while the Bush administration planned to hold five. Those sales were rejected when the administration decided not to pursue a new 2010–2015 OCS lease plan reflecting the expiration of the presidential and congressional moratoriums on leasing in 2008. Also, President Obama’s Bureau of Land Management is setting records for the least amount of leases on average per year. President Clinton sold over twice the number of leases per year than President Obama.

      • Ranger

        Gary:

        You’re correct . . . alternative energy sources are currently on the pricey side. I still remember back in the early 60′s when I was teaching science, and I was able to purchase a hand-held calculator at the bargain price of $49. It was about 7 X 4 inches in size and about an inch thick, and ran on the power of 2 AAA batteries. Today, they cost maybe $2-$3 dollars at the most, are the size of a credit card, and are powered by tiny photovoltaic panels. Don’t you think it would be exactly the same with alternative energy sources? I mean, the last time I checked, sunlight and wind and Geothermal didn’t cost much, and the technologies to harness that energy are improving and dropping in price dramatically as we speak. When I was working in research at Lawrence Berkeley Lab back in the 80′s, we had engineers who clearly demonstrated that this country could have had the vast majority of our required energy, delivered cleanly, over 30 years ago. The only thing missing was the political will to buck our multinational power and financial corporations who pull all the strings. One classic example was OTEC (ocean thermal energy conversion) which is a proven, effective, source of energy in many shoreline environments between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. This entails using the temperature difference between the very warm surface waters and the very cold deep water. Both are pumped electrically (from energy produced on board the facility) into respective chambers on either side of a turbine. As the warmer water piped through its chamber expands a working fluid, like ammonia, the cooler chamber, on the other side of the turbine, condenses and draws the ammonia in, thus turning the turbine and generating massive amounts of electricity. The viability of this technology was proven on the Big Island of Hawaii (near Kona) and current technology is approaching the theoretical maximum Carnot (heat engine) efficiency. So, why hasn’t the U.S. government poured more R & D monies into this proven technology, and sought to expand its use? Let’s see if we can figure out an answer to that conundrum. What major oil companies might have a vested interest in suppressing the speed with which we adopt and use this technology? And what major oil companies, along with other major corporations, actually RUN OUR GOVERNMENT???? By jove, I think you’ve GOT it!

      • DaveH

        Somehow my previous post to Ranger ended up on the main thread. Maybe system problems, maybe a loose nut on the keyboard, so I’ll try again:
        Ranger says “I still remember back in the early 60′s when I was teaching science, and I was able to purchase a hand-held calculator at the bargain price of $49. It was about 7 X 4 inches in size and about an inch thick, and ran on the power of 2 AAA batteries. Today, they cost maybe $2-$3 dollars at the most, are the size of a credit card, and are powered by tiny photovoltaic panels. Don’t you think it would be exactly the same with alternative energy sources?”.
        It might be, Ranger, if we had Free Markets where the consumers decide what to spend their money on and what to avoid. The example you used is a great example of Free Market goods where Government kept relatively out of the way. With Big Government we get self-serving Politicians making those decisions, so we have Solyndra, Sunpower, and other Government boondoggles.
        But Progressives don’t like people making free choices. They much prefer the Force of Big Government to Voluntary Markets. They know better than the rest of us. Right.
        Of course, one might ask — If the Progressives are so superior, then why do countries with the Biggest Governments regularly have worse economies than those with the Smallest Governments?
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking
        And History is littered with the bodies of failed Progressive countries.

      • DaveH

        Ranger says — “I mean, the last time I checked, sunlight and wind and Geothermal didn’t cost much, and the technologies to harness that energy are improving and dropping in price dramatically as we speak”.
        Maybe, but wouldn’t it be much wiser to let the Free Market, where people invest their own money, decide when the best time for alternative energy would be, instead of throwing piles of other peoples’ money prematurely into the effort?
        I believe that oil will eventually run out (But who knows?). But long before that event, in Free Markets, the resultant shortages and higher prices would encourage profit-seeking investors to start putting their money into those alternative energies. There would be an orderly and much more cost effective transition into those alternative energies instead of the Crony Capitalist protectionist, vote-buying schemes currently employed by Politicians at the expense of involuntary donors wealth.
        For those who claim past cheap energy schemes have been suppressed, I say Prove It!
        Note that I know Crony Capitalism has been rampant since Lincoln’s presidency, and I have no doubt that they would attempt to suppress efficient technologies if they thought it best for themselves. But I question that they could get away with it. Most likely they would just buy the new technologies and make a fortune supplying the cheaper technologies around the world. The same Greed that drives Liberals to lust after other peoples’ money, also drives those who own companies to seek their fortunes. But the latter is good for society because it results in better, more affordable products for us all.
        Sure we would be better off without Crony Capitalism, but allowing Government to grow ever larger is exactly what Crony Capitalists want. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows. The best we could do is to take the Market decisions out of Politicians self-serving hands and put those decisions back into the Consumers’ hands where they are best made.

      • DaveH

        Cheap Alternative Energies?
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-280.html

        By the way, I had a highly degreed cousin who worked at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories. The guy couldn’t even figure out how to balance his garage door so that it shut properly.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Bottom Line:
        If there is a demand, then “greedy” profiteers will invest their money to produce products to satisfy that demand. Government only gets involved with Other Peoples’ Money and their Powers of Force when the demand isn’t there. Of course Liberals will argue that we don’t know what’s best for us, so we wouldn’t develop alternative energies. But I say, then let those Liberals (and there are lots of them) buy those higher priced alternative energies with their own money, and keep their hands out of the rest of our pockets.
        Most of us are quite content with using oil for our energy. If we weren’t, Government wouldn’t need to subsidize those Alternative Energies with other peoples’ unwilling money.

    • rhcrest

      I have hread numerous accounts that the US has 2000 years of fossil fuels available if we were able to extract it from the earth. If the gov’t stops regulating businesses to death and gets out of the way don’t you think that smart industrial people will come up with a way to replace fossil fuels in 2000 years?

      • John

        Yes we do, but most of it is so expensive to produce that the price per barrel has to be at $150 and above. Cheap oil in the US has peaked long ago and today, if the price of oil in the world would go below ~$60 most US oil production will have to scale back or temporary cease because it would cost more to produce the oil then what it would cost to buy it somewhere else.

      • John

        What most companies do is they fill up the storage tanks knowing that low oil will not last long and so they wait until the price goes back up. None of them sells their oil below cost and if a low price last too long those corporations stop selling anything… just as they have done in the past. The reduction in available oil will then raise prices and they will go back on line.

      • ChristyK

        Oil prices aren’t nearly as high as people make them out to be. For decades, oil prices did not increase as fast as inflation. Now they are doing a little catch-up. If you use silver as a commodity to buy gasoline, you can actually buy more gallons of gasoline than you could 50 years ago. I forget the exact #’s, but I think that is also true from 20 years ago. Technology has allowed us to explore for, pump, and process for cheaper than we could in the past.

        What we need is free-markets. Free markets will always find the cheapest and most efficient method for creating energy. If oil (or anyother form of energy) becomes scarce, companies will naturally seek out alternate forms of energy, to meet their needs and the needs of their customers. That is how the free-market works. Businesses do not need some Washington bueuacrat to tell them how to run their businesses.

      • Tom W.

        Excellent points John and Christy! They say that when a $20 gold piece was worth $20, you could go out and purchase a really nice suit. today you could take that same gold piece and purchase a really nice suit!!! Precious metals represent the true value of things, if the dollar regains strenght the price of these metals will fall!

    • http://n/a AmFer

      So your point is, ” save our resources (oil) for future generations “? We will be perceived as the ‘dumbest’ generation ever by those who follow – perhaps that is the legacy you would like for yourself. Your reasoning is skewed.

      • http://www.lt-group.com Mike

        No, basically weaning off fossil fuels as soon as possible. What about the environmental impacts and climate change that we are witnessing based on our fossil fuel addiction? As another blogger pointed out, fossil fuels are used in thousands of products (pushing up demand) and others have noted the fact that countries such as India and China want to copy-paste the US model for economic growth and prosperity. Not possible. There are not sufficient resources to fuel the entire planet in the same over-consumption model as the USA. The world is already consuming about 2 planets worth of resources. Let’s face it the developed nations are over consuming at the expense of massive suffering in the least developed nations. Our future generations will ask “what the fxxx were they doing” Read about Easter Island, it’s the same story. In the coming years, just the cost of reconstruction and disaster relief based on the increasing environmental catastrophes which are increasing at a rapid rate, will eat up any reserves left in government coffers, not to speak of the US total debt which is now at $122 Trillion see: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ which is basically impossible to pay off.

      • Tom W.

        I believe in first things first, and if we don’t solve the political and ethnic problems that we are facing as a planet, what difference does in make if we have a clean enviroment?!! That should be our number one concern as a planet, learning to live together in peace! I truely believe that we are standing at the threshold of WWIII and we better put all of our resources in to defusing that situation while we still have a planet to save!!!

      • Michael J.

        Mike,
        Drop the Easter Island bit. The only comparison is the fact that the Moi statues seem to have been created in Obama’s image.

        If you need to compare the trend we are following, look to the former Soviet Union. Watch the movie Dr. Zhivago where in which a Bolshevik coup is wrapped inside a love story. The eerie simularities will astonish even a liberal.

      • Flashy

        Amfer….

        Consider…we are in the 21st Century. Developing nations are developing based upon oil. A tehcnology over 100 years old. today’s a little bit more efficient than 100 years ago, but the principle is the same. Fuel goes into cylinder, a small explosion pushes the cylinder, exhaust comes out…repeat cycle.

        When we had the vast untapped easy to reach resources, we boomed and became an empire. Now? We are sending BILLIONS each day to the vast beach resorts known as the ME and the propping up Hugo in Venezula. Not to mention the costs of maintaining a military to defend that lifeline. We are totally reliant on those slim lifelines. no matter how much we drill…we will not drill out of being reliant on those slim threads of economic life.

        Think about it. We assume we are the biggest, strongest, most powerful country in the world….ever. Got news for you, we are as strong and powerful as the safety of that lifeline to oil. Snap that thin thread…and we ain’t gonna be the Big Guy.

        Who knows what we can do ? heck….how difficult is it to imagine pulling into a station one day, and having the attendant..instead of pumping gas…slide out the thin battery panel and slipping a recharged one in (in the same amount of time)? that is but one example that could be one day. There are many other dreams. How about paint that acts as a solar panel constantly recharging … or creating a heat source to evaproate water for the steam engine?

        Without R&D and monies to allow such research and dreams…we will be using technology and energy sources which will be increasingly less, increasingly more expensive, and limiting ourselves falling back to the 20th century when we should be building for the remainder of the 21st and into the 22nd.

        We are constrained only by the limits placed by those of neanderthallic thinking and a loser mindset.

      • Tom W.

        Yep, ole’ Ron White was right, you surely can’t fix it!!!

    • Cliffystones

      Mike,

      That “Sooner or later” is more like later. “Planning ahead” doesn’t mean going off half-cocked and ruining the society and the economy we already have, forcing people to put up with technology that’s not ready yet. Let’s do our homework now, and implement the new stuff as it becomes truly useful.

      Don’t get me wrong, I love the new stuff. I put a solar system on my house in ’03. But trying to take a 1,000 mile road trip in a Volt ain’t going to happen, much less a 60-70 mile round trip daily commute.

      • Tom W.

        Kudos Cliffystones!!!

    • ArkansasRebel

      Mike you talk about “scientific research” and yet you continue to refer to oil as “fossil fuel”.
      Geological studies have proven that oil is not from decaying dinosaurs or any other decaying fossils. Instead it is constantly being regenerated by the action of the earth’s core. Therefore, not only is it not “fossil fuel” but it is also a renewable resource. Get your facts straight or at least re-educate yourself instead of listening only to the arguments of other ignorant so-call philosophers.

      • http://www.lt-group.com Mike
      • eddie47d

        Not to dispute you that oil is renewable but obviously once a well head goes dry the oil is gone and the oil company moves on. So where does the renewable part come in?

      • Tom W.

        Wow AR, I’d never heard that before! Excellent post!!! If this is true, I will no longer refer to oil as fossil fuel. Thanks for the info! This is what makes this country so great, the ability to freely exchange thoughts and ideas without the fear of government reprisals! That is what led us to become the most self-sufficient, powerful (Economically and militarily) nation that this world has ever seen!!! Our problem is that we’ve become stingy with the Amreican Dream! Freedom is a GOD GIVEN gift and should apply to all humanity!!! We should be doing our utmost to spread that GIFT with the entire world instead of supporting ruthless dictators as long as they serve our greedy self-interests!

      • Tom W.

        Well, it’s been real and it’s been fun, but it’s time to go earn Mz. Fluke some more contraceptives!!! Keep your eyes on the skies, JESUS IS COMING! He loves y’all and so do I!!!

      • Vicki

        Links to support ArkansasRebels comment about the source of oil
        http://www.science20.com/news_articles/peak_oil_not_if_deep_earth_hydrocarbon_theory_true

      • Vicki

        And the theory is not exactly new. This article is from 1986

        http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf047/sf047p12.htm

      • Vicki

        And more on the science behind earth core oil.
        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110415104540.htm

      • Tom W.

        SIC ‘EM Vicky!!! Give ‘em hell girlfriend!

    • TML

      Mike says, “It’s not important whether there are 1 million or 1 trillion barrels of oil available for extraction. Sooner or later the wells will run dry and therefore humanity must be prepared for the shift from a fossil fuel driven economy to one that is sustainable both economically, socially and environmentally. Please check out all the solid scientific research and reporting on this subject. It would also behoove you all to read some history about how societies have risen and fallen by not planning ahead and using up all the available resources i.e. Easter Islanders… Drilling for oil is only living in denial.”

      I was in complete agreement right up till the part about drilling for oil is only living in denial. Fossil fuels will indeed disappear one day, but it is not realistic to force society, or even the world for that matter, to wean itself off fossil fuels by refusing to drill for them. Yes, plan ahead for the children of future generations… drill for oil, use the energy, use the generated wealth from the oil, and invest in research and development of alternative energy at the same time. A satisfactory source of energy will take over on it’s own usefulness and merit. I believe as Chip Wood, in his article, explains… let the market work.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        TML, exactly, let the market work!

      • ” patrick H.T. paine “

        I agree, let the market work……add all the costs up…..enviormental damage, health care
        ( or sick care costs ) tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, storm surge etc. then calculate the price of petroleum based fuel……

      • Vicki

        That day may well be a LOT farther in the future than we thought.
        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091104123032.htm

      • Flashy

        Ummm…Vicki. Interesting study. But the question i would ask is…if this study is correct, how long does it take for the earth to “manufacture’ the oil ?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vicki, I would like to add this link as well.
        http://www.livescience.com/9404-mysterious-origin-supply-oil.html

      • TML

        ” patrick H.T. paine ” says, “I agree, let the market work……add all the costs up…..enviormental damage, health care
        ( or sick care costs ) tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, storm surge etc. then calculate the price of petroleum based fuel……”

        If this is meant to be rhetorical sarcasm, I’m not getting it.

        Are you trying to discuss the environmental impact of drilling for oil, by vaguely implying that it contributes to the false science of manmade global warming or something?

      • TML

        Vicki says, “That day may well be a LOT farther in the future than we thought.
        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091104123032.htm”

        This is another theory (as opposed to the idea of oil being a result of organic matter etc.), which I’m all for… but inconclusive evidence leads me to think… if we don’t know exactly how the Earth ‘forms’ oil, then we cannot replicate the process. Therefore, for all intensive purposes, oil is non-reproducible. I’m sure it will indeed be long into the future before oil supplies run out to the point of the proverbial “Mad Max” scenario… much longer than our own lifetime… but I would say on principle that we owe it to future generations to take advantage of the resources we have, while discovering others for… ‘just in case’.

      • “patrick H.T. paine”

        You just keep watching that false science, or rather the effects……also there are some really good land deals available near refineries, and such…..even better in West Virginia, where they have all that nice coal………Prince William Sound, too. There is no point in my attempting to convince you, since the one of interesting things about science, is that it tends to prove itself…..what you deny now…..will within the decade, be obvious. Kinda like evolution is just a theory?

      • Vicki

        TML writes

        if we don’t know exactly how the Earth ‘forms’ oil, then we cannot replicate the process. Therefore, for all intensive purposes, oil is non-reproducible.

        have offered several links on this subject. This link replicates the process therefore oil is reproducible.
        http://www.science20.com/news_articles/peak_oil_not_if_deep_earth_hydrocarbon_theory_true

      • TML

        “patrick H.T. paine” says, “You just keep watching that false science, or rather the effects……also there are some really good land deals available near refineries, and such…..even better in West Virginia, where they have all that nice coal………Prince William Sound, too. There is no point in my attempting to convince you, since the one of interesting things about science, is that it tends to prove itself…..what you deny now…..will within the decade, be obvious. Kinda like evolution is just a theory?”

        That’s the thing about ‘science’… it doesn’t “prove” anything. There are only degree of probability. I subscribe to the theory of evolution with as much zeal as I subscribe to the Big Bang Theory. Doubt is the beginning of wisdom. By doubting, we ask the question… and by seeking the answer, we come upon the truth. Systems which refuse doubt, are devices for drugging thought.

      • TML

        Vicki says, “have offered several links on this subject. This link replicates the process therefore oil is reproducible.
        http://www.science20.com/news_articles/peak_oil_not_if_deep_earth_hydrocarbon_theory_true”

        That actually sounds great! … if such progress is being made, then why the detrimental value in restriction from further drill (aka: research)? Would it not be most pertinent in science to drill and discover the secrets of which this phenomenon is naturally generated?

    • DaveH

      Mike says “It would also behoove you all to read some history about how societies have risen and fallen by not planning ahead and using up all the available resources i.e. Easter Islanders”.
      We are awake, Mike, and awakening.
      Perhaps you should read some current events and wake up yourself. Economies grow inversely to Government Growth, the Bigger the Government, the Smaller the Economy:
      http://heritage.org/index/ranking

    • DaveH

      Mike says — “Drilling for oil is only living in denial. Fossil fuels will run out one day and we’re leaving our children a completely unsustainable and polluted world. Can you all sleep at night with that on your minds? If you can then you’re smoking something. We are on the titanic and people are arguing over who pays the bar bill. Wake up folks!”.
      I believe that Fossil Fuels will run out one day, but what about the abiotic oil?
      http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/
      And when all oil runs out (if it does) wouldn’t it have been smarter to have let the private sector, where people use the invested money much more wisely than Government (witness Solyndra), investigate the alternatives (which are currently uneconomical)?
      And I always find it comical when Liberals use the children as an excuse while at the same time they are saddling the children (who didn’t even get to vote in the matter) with a gargantuan debt. Can you and your fellow Liberals sleep at night, Mike? Dumb question, I know, because ignorance is bliss.

    • Richard Walker

      I really dislike enviro-fascist liberal progressive people because they somehow have forgotten how to think and reason with FACTS. Although it has been about 45 years, I studied Physics and Microbiology in college, and I have retained my inquisitiveness over the years that I have travelled the world as a professional pilot (yes, burning lots and lots of that evil “fossil fuel”). Any scientist that doesn’t have his head buried in his behind will know that the earth spews more pollution into the atmosphere in 100 years than man has done since fire was discovered. Think volcanos, forest fires, oil seepage from the earth’s crust, stuff like that. And I don’t know how many of you folk are pilots, but I am and as such I can tell you I know something about the weather. My flying has been worldwide, not just the USA. Did any of you libtards bother to check to see that perhaps the “El Nino – El Nina” phenomenom out in the pacific ocean might have something to do with the global weather? I doubt it. I assure any sceptic that it does.

      To all the whiners that say that we must DO something to get off “fossil fuels” so we can save the planet using renewable resources I must ask you, um, where is the electricity going to come from to power all your volts? Windmills? Maybe if there were a couple million of them, but then you have to fight the “NIMBY” attitude about where you are going to place them and the necessary cables to distribute the juice. And with all the windmills (that don’t work without WIND) in place there will be no room for your solar panels. I will say to those of you that believe that such solutions will be the thing that saves us because they are “free” and “renewable”, well if they could compete with oil they would already be doing so compliments of the MARKET! Wonder of wonders… Since they are not it should be obvious to even the village idiots of the world that the technology is not ready for prime time.

      I read some 30 or so years ago that there was enough “heavy water” or deuterium in San Francisco bay to power the energy needs of America (admitedly of 30 years ago) for 300 years if a viable fusion reactor could be developed. Of course, since it has to do with nuclear energy, the Peoples Republic of California would not allow its water to refined for any such purpose. Fortunately, there is enough Deuterium in the world’s oceans to keep the rest of us going for about 10,000 years. I think we should be able to find another source of water within that time frame, hmm? Think moons of Jupiter if the liberal Democrats in Washington could be persuaded to restart our space program. California can keep it’s water and have fun on their horses and buggies.

      The last I read was that the Lawrence Livermore facility had a design for a Tokomack reactor that had actually had sustained a plasma field for admittedly a very short time, but this shows that the containment should be able to be increased and eventually a commercial version would be produced. Unfortunately I have not heard anything since. One would think that a technology that has such promise would call for a “Manhattan” style project to develope it, but I read and hear nothing (maybe the government is keeping secrets from us…?). Once that technology is in place you can take your windmills and solar panels and put them away or give them to your children to play with.

      • ChristyK

        Wind mills will not work on the grid or for any “always on” applications without a method to store energy. Wind produces energy when our needs are low and stops when our needs are high. To insure an always on condition, we have to run oil/coal/gas plants even when the wind is blowing. Because the oil/coal/gas plants get ramped up and down, which is very inefficient, a large amount of wind/solar energy on the grid actually requires more oil/coal/gas use than a grid with no wind/solar on it. That also ignores the fact that the alternative sources are orders of magnitude more expensive. A coal plant costs ~$0.10/kwatt (I’m approximating because I don’t have the numbers before me). The federal government subsidizes wind about $2.50/kwatt so the power companies can sell the energy for roughly twice as much as normal. Do these numbers make any sense?

      • ” patrick H.T. paine “

        A fusion reaction was an exhibit at the NY World’s Fair, bright light and big bang, in the early sixties, so essentially no progress has been made and it still produces radioactive waste as well as weakening the structure built to contain it. In short, it is a very stupid and dangerous way to boil water.

      • Top Dog

        Excellent post Richard I too am a pilot along with my wife daughter and late son. It doesn’t appear to occur to anyone that now that there is sufficient petroleum available to meet our needs we con produce it and turn our attention away from satisfying our dependence for energyon the constant concentration on producing it to developing those sources of energy that arestill in the imaginary stage. Our scientist and engineers have ideas and theories that require time for perfecting and developing production techniques that those sources will require. As long as we are bogged down with petty bickering over whether or not We will use up all of our fuel sources then we just might be the source of our own destruction. This earth will easily survive the worst mankind can do even of insects are all that will survive man’s destructive, wasteful impact.

    • LESNC

      Actually you are going to leave them broke and in poverty by demanding massive deficit spending now long before they will run out of oil

    • Nadzieja Batki

      From whom did you get the idea that we will run out of oil? Your non thinking buddies don’t have enough sense to know that even your toothbrush and the toothpaste package is based on oil.
      Better not eat or wear clothes because they were brought to you by way of oil.

    • Earl

      Mike, show us a link that U didn’t provide to your “research” to prove Ur statement. There are alternative theories out there, apparently backed up by some Russian studies that postulate a different theory, that of ABIOTIC CONVERSION to petroleum deep in the earth’s crust, under tremendous heat and pressure, and welling upward and being trapped in domes of rock. Sounds Just as plausible as the dinosaur theory…….!!

  • Willie

    I voted for Scott Brown(who won Teddy Kennedy’s seat) Here in the peoples republic of Massachusetts. I thought he was going to be different. I just heard him on the radio this morning talking about our need to explore all types of alternative energy. OK, I’m with him. Lets explore all types of alternative energy…BUT LETS NOT IGNORE OUR NEED FOR OIL NOW AND WATCH THE COUNTRY GO TO H**L WHILE WE EXPLORE OTHER FORMS OF ENERGY. All the pols are the same. It doesn’t matter what letter they have after their name.

    • rhcrest

      He has to talk that way to the liberal loons here in MA. Their heads would explode if he said something to the effect of “drill baby drill”. They would go running ro one percenter Elizabeth Warren who is for the “little guy” LMAO. I am also from MA and i think that there is something in the drinking water here that turns people into libtards here. If i didn’t grow up here and have all my family here i would leave. I’m sick of being around these nuts.

      • eddie47d

        Mr rhcrest: Governor Patrick signed the Clean Energy Biofuels Act in 2008 and Massachusetts is dependent on alternative energy sources for there is zero oil production in your state. The cost of importing is to high to sustain your economy so what are your suggestions for improving your energy independence?

      • DaveH

        No, he talks that way because Republican Leaders are no strangers to Crony Capitalists. They haven’t been since the Republican Party was formed in the mid 1800s. In fact, the Democrats were the late-comers to the Crony Capitalist Party. But now both Parties are severely infected with the disease, and we need a radical Party-Ectomy.
        Vote Ron Paul.
        Vote Libertarian:
        http://libertarianparty.org/

      • Michael J.

        rhcrest,
        Beware of the fact that Scott Brown and Mitt Romney are cut from the same cloth. Going along to get along is their justification for liberal progressive conformity… Don’t buy it!!!

        And just how does that differenciate them from the lefties they claim not to be in the first place?

  • Willie

    Mike, do you have no concept of numbers??? Did you read Chip’s article? 1.7TRILLION barrels of oil. More oil than has been consumed by the earth in the last 150 Freaking years. And thats just in the US, what about undiscovered oil in the world? Why don’t you liberals get it???

    • http://www.lt-group.com Mike

      That’s not the point my friend. It’s about the environment as well and the fact that the cost of extraction will continue to mount – the basic EROI formula… check it out. The US is isolated from the real situation on a global basis. Travel a bit to a few hundred countries and you’ll get the gist. In any event, fossil fuels are a dying source of energy. Sooner or later (and it will be sooner) alternate energy systems will replace them. Why don’t you read a few books such as the End of Growth and the Limits to Growth as a start. I’m sure if you have an open mind you’ll understand. Our society is a cancer that has gone too far and too fast with consumption. In the end the system will need to come back to equilibrium whether we like it or not. Take a look at percentage of obese people in the USA? Is that an indication of over consumption or not? In most of the world this is not the case. Coupled to the fact that the inequalities between the wealthy nations and the developing nations is huge with over 2 billion people living on less than $1-2 per day. Is that equality, democracy, liberty, justice, freedom – all supposedly American values? What about the the gap between rich and poor right there in the US? Why? Basically due to greed and the fact that most humans don’t know when to stop consuming or wanting more, and more, and more. More profit, more food, more sex, more everything. And by the way is the average American happier than 50 years ago even with the average GDP / capita having increased significantly? Not at all. In fact the average happiness level has declined since then. Is not Bigger is Better a clarion call in the US? So when will it stop? When the system implodes which is will do in the coming 6-18 months.

      • s c

        When will you pull your dented head out of your rump? You’re just another ass-kissing utopian with a bad case case of too much oxygen in your system. It’s not fair. Give someone else a chance to breathe (while it’s FREE).
        You’re mean-spirited and self-serving. SACRIFICE, comrade ‘m.’ Take your check for that dripping rant and give it to an OWSer. Take your mind-rotting pills. Eat pink slime. Visit Iran – often. Volunteer in Cuba. Buy a Volt. Invest in Solyndra. Join a union and tell your bunkies about the joys of being inspired by Lenin, Keynes and Stalin. Bust out of that National Socialist closet.

        • http://www.lt-group.com Mike

          My dear SC, it sounds as if you need to look inside and find out what is eating you which most people don’t have the courage to do. No need to reply to such ranting. Be well and I hope you can find your true self someday.

      • Cliffystones

        Your comments about over-consumption in America are generally true. And when you couple consumption with the entitlement mentality it only makes our future look worse. Most working-class Americans I know have worked hard for the benefits our society produces. It’s those 1%’ers who represent the mentality that common folks should sacrifice ” for the environment and sustainability” while they continue with “lavish-as-usual”.

        But as for those places where people subsist on $1-$2 a day, they’ve been around since I was young. And all of the begging by Sally Struthers for the last 30-40 years hasn’t helped those people and never will.

      • Smoke101

        Spoken like a true brain dead “Big Government” control freak! Fair is what you earn and deserve ; not what you can take from those who put in the effort!!!

      • Karolyn

        OK – Here we go! s c get’s today’s award for first mean-spirited remarks of the day! Woohoo! And for all of you who constantly say the liberals are the ones who do this, please take note that it IS a conservative starting us off!

      • DaveH

        It is a well-known fact (well maybe not by Ignorant Liberals), Mike, that the poorer the country, the dirtier their environment. Maybe the Liberal Lemmings mean well, but the Liberal Leaders are after one thing only — MORE POWER. As the Liberal Leaders and their enablers (the followers) impoverish our country, look for the same increasingly dirty environment here. The US isn’t immune to the laws of Economics.

      • Vicki

        Mike writes

        Sooner or later (and it will be sooner) alternate energy systems will replace them.

        And the free market will decide when this is far more accurately than a few people who think they know best.

  • Larry

    Interesting rant. Too bad it gives a dishonest spin. For a week in Jan of this year, which was the first to come up through Google, active rigs in Cal was up 2 from the prior week to 41, which placed it ninth among the states in active drill rigs. Nationally, the active rig count has been up by 15-25% over the prior year for about a year now. Not quite what one would expect if we actually had an anti-drilling President.

    • Gary L

      Larry,
      Considering the size of California not to mention off the coast, 41 rigs is peanuts.

    • Paul

      Good post, and true. What the neo-cons and palinites don’t understand, is that you can drill baby drill to your hearts content, and that oil goes on the world market. It will not stay here in the U.S. The re-thug speculators, will still cause the price of gas to remain high. And as far as 2 dollar a gallon gas? I think Newts lying to us.

      • Brian L

        They are all lying to us, Paul…One thing to note is that if we ‘drill, baby, drill’ the oil pumped out will go on the oil markets, increasing the supply and decreasing the cost…Just sayin’…

  • http://comcast JimBob

    Hats off to N. Dakota for their foresight and willingness to help themselves. 3.3% unemployment is phenomenal in this current economy. I hope they do the smart thing and refuse Federal government “help” with any of their infrastructure building projects. The absolute last thing they need now is to be beholden to Uncle Sugar. Take a Federal nickel and be subservient to millions of regulations.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The jobs are created. Housing will follow, more families will relocate there, prosperity will be created. Until the regulators get their hands into this.

  • Gary L

    The states that will not allow drilling should have to pay more to get it.
    Whether it is electicity or fuel they surely do consume a lot.
    I say let them pay more.

  • James Maxw3ll

    obummer “The Cluless” made a statement that he would break the powere producers
    in America. He was refering to the Coal and Petro industries. So far by his questionable
    use of the EPA and useless Congress that has negelected it responsibility to the voters.
    They have let obama run wild with Presidential edicts like a dictator with no check and
    balence or holding him accountable to the people of the United States of America.
    At this time he has made the most insane statement of all times. Thru his regeim of
    terror upon the American people he has blocked, stope and refused to allow or permit
    any drilling or used of American resources. He makes claims that are total lies and
    any one with half a brain can see thru them easily. The only drilling that is being done
    at this time in the gulf is on leases that were let under George Bush and not obamas
    term, The fracking of old wells was started under George Bush and obamas EPA
    is attempting to stop that from happening now. The wind fiasco and solar farms are
    disaters that have failed completely and like Ethanol only survive thru Government
    subsidies at the Tax Payer expense. obama “the Failure” has done one thing that
    he can be proud of and the is proven that he is even worse than Jimmey “Peanut”
    Carter ever though of.

    • eddie47d

      Poppycock in your anti-Obama tirade. Which candidate was that a political speech for? The issue around fracking is how it effects the water table and that is an EPA issue and for anyone who drinks water. There are plenty of well heads being drilled and all over. Half the permits in Colorado were signed off on under the present administration which means another 9,000 in production and another 5,000 or less being reviewed. Throughout the state there are about 30,000 working wells. There are also new permits being issued on the North Slope for Shell Oil and in West Texas. Most solar operations are doing great as with wind power but expense and foreign competition is holding back more production.

  • Power To The People

    Hey Larry, applications for exploration have been turned down by the droves by this administration. The new rigs were approved years ago before Obummers reign.

    Mike is right, we do need to look for alternative energy sources as at some point oil wells will go dry. It is a good idea to prepare for the needs of the future while capitalizing on the sources of the present.

    Politicians twist everything in an election year….or I should say twist it more.

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Actually
      In 2001,under Bush, 3,448 wells were started then dramatically down to 2,871 in 2002, then only 2,957 new wells in 2003, and only 2,702 in 2004 and dropping to 1,742 in 2005. In comparison under Obama in 2009 there were 3,267 new wells started, in 2010 there were 3,166 and 2011 there were 3,260.

      On federal land. In 2001 Bush issued 3,289 leases, then only 2,384 in 2002, and 2,022, in 2003 and finally 2,699 in 2004. Obama in 2009 2,072 new leases, in 2010 1,308, and in 2011 2188.

      So Obama is not halting production any more than George W Bush and in some areas he exceeds the Bush Cheney oil cartel.

    • Earl

      Hate to tell Y’all, but here’s an example of the falsity of the depletion theory. My Uncle in S. Illinois has been in the oil business since the late 40′s. He is still working the same wells as well as new ones. The only difference being that Devonian period wells like Illinois has are being flooded with water to speed up the normally slow flow of oil. They’ve done that since the late 50′s, and the “Salem oil pool” as its known, is still producing 60 years later! My father, now deceased, worked in those fields when a young man after the war and attests to that fact as well.

  • Robert Button

    And yet our White House leftist at one moment says we can’t drill our way out of high gas prices, and another moment takes credit for the increased of production from drilling that started under Bush. While every seems to be oblivious to how much the price of Natural Gas has dropped over the last 4 years, do to drilling that started long before Obama began his reign of leftist dreams. Except the EPA, who is now trying to prove that the Drilling technique used to product this oil, and gas, is a danger to our health.

    • eddie47d

      Eric is correct and those figures don’t even include drilling for natural gas. Why would you have a problem with protecting our drinking water before an accident happens instead of after the fact?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/MrMrEinstein?feature=guide Lee Watso

    Modern American Currency
    One dollar bill: George Washington
    Five dollar bill: Abraham Lincoln
    Ten dollar bill: Alexander Hamilton
    Twenty dollar bill: Andrew Jackson
    Fifty dollar bill: Ulysses S. Grant
    One hundred dollar bill: Benjamin Franklin
    Food Stamps: Barack Obama.

    • Old Gringo

      Lee I love your post. I have copied it and plan on using it myself. I hope you don’t mind.

    • Paul

      Sorry but your list is wrong. Pres. Bush had more people on food stamps than Obama.

  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    Another simple minded short sighted article from Chip.

    Yes there is oil. No there isn’t enough to supply the western lifestyle across India and China and other emerging markets which is what will ultimately drive the prices higher and higher.

    But maybe instead of making fun of other view points you don’t understand, you could have intelligent dialogue and the exchange of ideas because in the end drill baby drill is just plain greedy bastard mentality. Unless of course you are only concerned with your own short term wealth and screw everyone else, the health of the planet and future generations.

    Besides that, why would we want to go in that direction when we should be having a Manhattan project on clean renewable energy, conservation and efficiency as in net zero buildings which is currently feasible and has the biggest bang for the buck.

    And then there is the 400 pound gorilla in the room which is the accelerated releases of CO2 from carbon energy, deforestation and desertification causing a massive speed-up global warming issue. I know I am speaking the flat earthers here but like it or not it is happening and no amount of oil and coal barons funding of climate deniers so called scientist will change that. Wake up morons before it’s too late and irreversible.

    In the short term and as a transition, we could do what India has just done with their cotton and ban exporting american oil, coal, gas and gasoline. We could nationalize our oil for the sake of national security. We could have American owned cooperatives drill in some federal land. We the American people could therefore benefit from our own common wealth, our own resources instead of letting the energy corporations still take our subsidies, make huge profits on exporting our resources, keep their profits off shore to keep from paying back american taxes and even drag their feet for years not paying us the royalties they owe us.

    • lucitee

      Eric, Just a simple question! HOW much poisonous, hazardous, ozone-eating gasses are spewed out EVERY DAY, twenty four HOURS a day, seven days a week, times hundreds of THOUSANDS of jets who fly at an altitude normally at 35,000 FEET? In YOUR opinion, should we be researching a cleaner, cheaper, more efficient JET FUEL? OR maybe encase them in solar panels? Or build Electric Jet engines with a 35,000 foot drop cord? I will eagerly await YOUR ideas!

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Lucitee,
        I will answer your obviously sarcastic and cherry picked reply. You are right they are a problem and I believe that people are already working on that. Virgin is spending a lot of money on using algae jet fuel as a transition fuel for example. I also have read that probably the biggest ozone layer disruptor are the rockets that we send up.

        A manhattan project suggests dreaming big of what is possible instead of holding on to the short sighted ideology of I will make as much money as I can on carbon energy while we still have some and damn everything else.

        Another problem not even mentioned here is that our entire food production is based on chemical fertilizers which will get more and more expensive and are destroying our top soil.

        But I only mentioned a few things we could do. Conservation and efficiency being a huge one. Have you no comments on any of those?

    • John

      And there is another question with this, who’s oil is it. Isn’t it a resource that belongs to the American people, plundered from American soil? It should stay in this country not be raped from it and then sold to the highest bidder over seas. The oil corporations want to plunder Oil a natural non renewable resource that belongs to the people, from public lands.. they get it or expect to get it for essential peanuts… and then sell it abroad.. with the people getting NOTHING but high prices at the pump in return. What gives corporations the right to plunder Americas resources and sell it ab road? What will be next? Water? Already water is pumped out of OUR soil and aquifers for free… just like oil…. and then bottled and sold world wide. fresh water resources become scares in many parts of the world, when will corporations start filling up takers just like with oil and selling the resources that belong to the American people all over the world?

      • ChristyK

        Those corporations that you complain about pay a huge amount of taxes to the states they operate in and to the Federal government. In Wyoming, the reason we don’t have an income tax is due to the taxes paid by the oil/gas/coal/mining corporations. It is also why we have a lower unemployment rate than the rest of the country. I say thank you and continue to drill or mine.

    • Earl

      Don’t even waste you time trying to educate this a$$hat, His mind is MADE UP and that’s that……100% waste of your valuable time!!!

  • http://httpaol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    He is a lying POS.

  • Alex

    The oil companies are fearful of four more years of the Obama Administration and its environmental strategies which, while still vastly inadequate, are much more forward-looking than previous administrations and not at all what Big Oil wants to see.

    If Big Oil thinks that you people are stupid enough to fault President Obama, rather than these glutinous corporations, for what you pay at the pump then they obviously have NO incentive to bring down the prices that THEY control—how is it that these neo-conartists have you so fooled?!? Big Oil, once again, has posted RECORD profits! RECORD PROFITS!! YOU are filling their pockets and they laugh because you blame it on Obama.
    President Obama does not set the gasoline prices. Stricter and very necessary environmental regulations are not the problem. Aside from the jaw-dropping greed of Big Oil, the problem is a populace weaned on gasoline—a populace that thinks everything must have a motor on it, that nowhere is in walking distance, and that it’s okay to spoil the Earth for generations to come in pursuit of the last drop of decomposed life.

    You don’t like Obama because Sean insHannity says he’s a Marxist/Terrorist/Muslim whatever—you cannot really be helped. but don’t blame Obama for your gas bill—blame the creeps that really DO set the price, the guys rolling in YOUR money.

    • Sirian

      Then what are your tried and tested alternative proposals of a new energy source that can provide you with a means of transportation, home energy so you can stay warm in the winter and cool in the summer as well as use your computer cheaper than what we presently have? Don’t forget the other applications of petroleum – clothing, pharmaceuticals, paint, carpets, food etc. How quickly can you replace the dreaded oil industry with ZeroPoint Energy sources for everyone? There are more uses and applications of petroleum than you understand. Truthfully, even more so than you could live without. I know it would be very, very hard for you Alex but you have to look at the entire picture, not just taking an environmental/political stance on this. Never mind, jacking your jaws is more important.

      • Alex

        “How quickly can you replace the dreaded oil industry….?”

        We have had years to not only see the eventuality of declining oil supplies but to also see the effects of petroleum on life and Earth.

        Rather than look so skeptically on renewable energy sources try to look at the big picture—any technology in its infancy has stops and starts. It is important that we spend money to develop solar, wind, and tidal energy sources. We can increase the energy produced by learning, through science—-the first infernal compulsion engines were nothing to rave about, but by putting money and effort into them we succeeded in allowing them to almost completely ruin the Earth.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Sirian,
        well let’s see. Net Zero construction has already been proven. Retrofitting efficiency would certainly stimulate the construction industry which could use a boost. But you were all too busy listening and believing Faux News and railroading Van Jones out of the government so we are still waiting for that.

        Then there is the 1.8 Gigawatts of solar energy installed this year double what it was a year ago and about to double again. Without a serious mandate and commitment from this country.

        Wind capacity has almost doubled since 2008

        Geothermal is the sleeping giant

        Tidal is just starting and has incredible power potential

        Fuel cells are seeing tremendous progress

        But the key is all of them together

        A smart grid where we call all use and produce. Solar panels feeding the grid in the day, wind at night, electric cars, massive high speed public transport projects. Super high speed broadband and telecommuting. A reshaping of our failed suburban experiment.

        I wonder how much fuel we would save and how much better we would all feel if we just revamped our roads with a smart grid of intelligent traffic lights and roundabouts!

        Should I go on. There’s a lot of work to do and all of it would make for a more efficient society, provide lots of work. Investing in infrastructure is what makes America an attractive place for doing business and right now we are slipping behind.

        A smart businessman will borrow money and invest in a plant or a store or hire people and make something and provide a service which will make a profit and pay back the loans.

        We as a country can do the same. The highway system allowed america to prosper and deliver products all over the country. It’s time we reinvest in ourselves and we will be successful that is if stop being afraid of everything.

      • Sirian

        OK, but you still have not stated what the best solution to the “energy” problem that you, along with many others, say is destroying our planet. Again, what would be the best alternative – most cost effective possible – to replace petroleum – right now? Solar, wind, tidal energy sources, plus many others – nuclear fusion research included – have been and continue to be courted – financially/R&D – yet have been unable to provide any, and or “a” significant amount of energy – kWh/cents/hr – to substantiate their usefulness. Nuclear fusion research has been in progress for at least three decades and who knows how many billions of dollars have been invested. Have you ever promoted the conversion to NGC engines in all vehicles – nation wide! – by the end of 2015? Have you promoted the conversion to self sustaining “Air Engines” that run on nothing more than air!! NO, you jack your jaws and come up with nothing – ZERO!! If you’re dead set against petroleum and the thousands of different uses it has and is being used for – NOT SIMPLY GASOLINE – then get your butt out there and promote “Air Engines”, NGC, at least something viable. There’s one hell of a difference between talk and action!!

      • Sirian

        Correction – CNG. . . my mind was still in the stars from last nights observing of NGC, New General Catalog deep space objects.

      • Sirian

        Eric,
        Yes, there are all types of alternatives but again, they can not be produced at comparably, cost effective prices. Solar panels have been around for many, many years yet they have not been reduced in construction cost as well as retail cost significantly. Their overall efficiency is not at a very high level which in turn limits them also. If that could be brought up to say a 90% level of efficiency, or better, yes, they most certainly would be well worth the expense involved. Yet, the overall cost of setting up your home on solar panels is by far not a minor expense, far from indeed. To be secure you must have a bank of batteries coupled/tied to the solar panels if the main objective to rid yourself of being attached to the grid or you must suffer through several days of cloud overcast or even worse, six inches of snow or more. And that – weather – is something we have no means of controlling. The number of batteries required may vary home to home but again, the overall cost of those and those alone is nothing to sneeze at. Geothermal is very good but it too is not within the range of your average family – income levels limit the amount of new alternatives that can be acquired. Fuel cells are nothing new, very good in fact, but they too have not broken through the pricing barriers that have kept that technology corralled in for many years. But again, how many families can easily afford to implement alternatives such as these without digging another very deep debt well at the same time? The same applies to our nation on a whole. Insofar as moving to a massive implementation program of this variety of alternatives that you mentioned, OK, fine – where are you going to find the money to do it with? Solyndra? Unfortunately it appears that you have lost track of our national deficit level and how that truthfully plays a very major role in how things of this nature are not as readily available as so many wish and hope for. I will not discount and or dismiss the alternatives but again, they have to be cost effective and marketable to a market that would sustain them. Supply & Demand – simple as that. As mentioned to Alex, why don’t you get behind “Air Engines” or CNG engines. Those two are cost effective – CNG first, air engines next. Get behind and push one thing at a time instead of expecting all of it at once. The markets are not overly accepting to that form of push.

      • Sirian

        Sorry, another correction – Eric Bischoff – not just Eric. My fault – was out to late last night observing.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      You know I hear all of you people on here talk about oil companies this and prices of gasoline this, but not one of you realize that oil prices are pretty musch the same as they have been for several years. Fiat money is the cause of porices obn everything. Inflation raises the cost at the pump. Stop the printing press. Idiots!

    • ChristyK

      Alex, You blame “Big Oil” for expensive gas prices, but both the federal government and most (if not all) state governments take more profit through taxes than anyone in the supply chain does. The average (according to the tax foundation) is $0.459/gallon in taxes. Another article I read showed an average of $0.481/gallon in taxes and only $0.02/gallon in profit for Exxon. Admittedly it is hard to calculate the profit accountable to gasoline since most energy companies produce a multitude of products and it is difficult to say exactly how to attribute costs of the oil & processing that is actually processed into a multitude of products.

      You accuse everyone who disagrees with you, that they are just following Sean Hannity (who I think is full of hot air), but then you go spouting liberal talking points about evil Big Oil. You sound like the sheep that you accuse others of being.

    • Earl

      Slooowww down and thiiiink fiiirst before typing. It’s gluttonous, not glutinous (gluey)(thick) Bread is glutenous…..

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    The fraud in Chief has yet again told a LIE; HE has signed [one] new drilling lease in three [3] tears; all the oil growth has occurred on PRIVATE LAND where Obam the Imam can not influence his green agenda. He is contempt of court in Louisiana for failing to lift off shore drilling bans, he has forbidden drilling in Anwar and other federally controlled land, he has squandered 800 million [low estimate] tax payer dollars on failed green [influence peddling] enterprises. He blames Bush for the economic problems obam has created , yet is shameless in trying to take credit for things Bush signed in the oil business;; the man is sick and needs to be institutionalized.

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Robert E lee
      I guess you’ve never recovered from the south losing and now having a black man as president really burns your arse.

      • Smoke101

        ERIC; both Robert E Lee and I except your surrender!!! PLay the RACE card so fast??? If you can’t support your position shut up and go back to Mommy’s basement!!!

      • Libertytrain

        eric, your very blatant bigotry is prominently displayed again for all to see forever….

      • Earl

        I couldn’t give a sh$t what color he is, you A$$hat! YOU, SIR, ARE A RACE BAITER!!!!!!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Robert E. Lee, it’s the misleading political doublespeak and the constant condesention by Obama that is distracting from the realities of energy production and alternative energy research in America.

      Obama is an extremist…his history reveal this extremism as well as his extremely radical appointments.
      - The Regulatory Czar – Cass Sunstein
      - Climate Czar – Todd Stern
      - Science Czar – John Holdren
      - Chief Diversity Officer, Federal Communications Commission – Mark Lloyd
      - Attorney General – Eric Holder
      - Deputy Attorney General – David Ogden
      - Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel – Dawn Johnson
      - Secretary, Department of Education – Arne Duncan
      - Assistant Deputy Secretary, Department of Education – Kevin Jennings
      - United States Ambassador to United Nations – Susan Rice
      - Counsel, State Department – Harold Koh
      - National Security Council – Samantha Power
      - Advisor, Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy – Rosa BrooksThis
      - Senior Advisor and Assistant to the President for Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs – Valerie Jarrett
      - Political advisor – David Axelrod
      - Director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change – Carol Browner
      - General Counsel and Senior Policy Advisor, Office of Management & Budget – Preeta Bansal
      - Director of Intergovernmental Affairs, Executive office of the President — Cecilia Munoz
      - Director, Domestic Policy Council – Melody Barnes
      - failed appointment Green Czar – Van Jones

      A prime example of the Obama Administration’s radical environmental extremism and that of the whole Democrat party is seen in the book “Ecoscience” coauthored in 1977 by John Holdren, Obama’s current science czar, and Paul and Anne Ehrlich.
      http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/News/Opinion_Editorial/OBAMAS_SCIENCE_CZAR_JOHN_HOLDREN_AN_ENVIRONMENTAL_EXTREMIST/56788

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    Freudian slip;; YEARS.

  • Chester

    Love the way everyone hits on Obama or the oil companies for the price of oil going up. With just a bit of research, you will find the price of oil to the refinery, about two steps from the gas pump, is controlled, not by the oil companies, but by speculators who delight in rising prices due to maybe a battle or three in Iran, or a bomb scare in Iraq. or maybe a bit of famine somewhere else that might otherwise sell oil to the world. Right now we are paying a premium at the pump because Iran MIGHT close the straits of Hormuz sometime in the next six months to a year. You might also be interested in learning that we have CLOSED refineries because they were going broke, even at our currently exaggerated gas prices because they were technically incapable of using what comes out of North Dakota. We currently produce more oil than we can refine, and what we can refine is a long way from where it is needed, with no cheap way of getting it there.

    • Eric

      Any damn fool can go broke or lose money in buisness . The trick is to make a profit and stay alive . Oil can be taken out of the ground for as low as 4$ a barrel and sold for a $100. a barrel . Yet with laws and the management some of these companies have , I’am sure many of them could show a loss on their income tax anyway .

    • eddie47d

      Good catch for there is a glut of crude oil right now in the US which will keep prices high for many years.

  • Eric

    I once lived in eastern North dakota , The State owned their own banking system , North dakotian were on the average a pretty honest bunch i thought . I just would like to suggest North Dakota build their own oil refinery for gasoline too . Just in case the pipeline is never built to Texas . They might be able to refine some canadian oil too in case China doesn’t buy it all .
    I don’t think the federal goverenment would dare refuse N Dak the right to build a refinery . North Dakota is all democrats that vote republican

    • http://PersonalLiberty Harold Coleman

      Sounds pretty straight forward to me. Go North Dakota.

    • John

      They have refineries, and there are some in Montana and Wyoming that have excess capacity. But there is a problem with that. Those refineries are refining oil for the US market. The US market is not very profitable for oil corporations. They need to get their oil to Texas and other states where it can be refined and then shipped to China, India and Europe to make profits that are 3-5 times higher then in the US even including the cost of shipping. Transporting the final refined products in a pipe line is dangerous and very expensive. It is better to just refine the raw oil close to a shipping port. That is the reason the Canadian pipeline is being build all the way to Texas. So that the product can be sold to other countries. NONE of that oil is destined for the US market. If it would be those pipe lines would end up at the refineries that refine for the domestic market such as the one in Sinclair, WY a refinery that has enough free capacity to take EVERY drop N-Dakota and Canada produces and has the infrastructure designed to deliver those products to US market. They would save millions on the cost of the pipeline if they would stop at a refinery in the west… but would lose billions in profits over the lifetime of the project.

      • eddie47d

        BINGO John! Any new oil will go overseas if some of these companies can get it to markets for that is where the money is. Our price at the pump will not change and could even go up because of what you stated.

    • Daveh

      The oil boom in N. Dakota has pushed unemployment down to 3.2 percent, but that’s only possible because the whole state has fewer residents than metropolitan Albany — so few residents that adding a few thousand jobs in the state’s extractive sector is a really big deal. The comparable-sized fracking boom in Pennsylvania has had hardly any effect on the state’s overall employment picture, because, in the end, not that many jobs are involved.

      And this tells us that giving the oil companies carte blanche isn’t a serious jobs program. Put it this way: Employment in oil and gas extraction has risen more than 50 percent since the middle of the last decade, but that amounts to only 70,000 jobs, around one-twentieth of 1 percent of total U.S. employment. So the idea that drill, baby, drill can cure our jobs deficit is basically a joke.
      New York Times

      • DaveH

        Why do you insist on using the same Userid as myself (albeit a lowercase ‘h’)?
        I can’t imagine why a guy would want to do that? What positive purpose could it serve to have yourself be confused with me?
        I can only assume that, since it would be odd for somebody to uppercase their first initial, but then lowercase their last, you are just up to no good.

      • DaveH

        Dave, the imposter, says “but that amounts to only 70,000 jobs”. Only 70,000 jobs? Only an ignorant Liberal could say such a thing. Any amount of job increases should be welcome news.

      • Daveh

        I had been on here for quite a while when I saw a post from you. So I changed mine. Who was first doesn’t matter to me. Those are my first name and initial.
        I didn’t write that, it was a quote to further everyone some arguing points.

      • DaveH

        Bob Livingston,
        Can you do something about this creepy character?

      • DaveH

        If you’re really NOT up to no good, Dave, then you would do something to further qualify your name, like Daveh2, or Davehal, or anything other then using the same name as mine.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear DaveH and Daveh,

        I had hoped adult rationale and common courtesy would prevail. Daveh, you originally posted as just Dave. DaveH has been here much longer posting as DaveH. I realize both of you claim to be named “Dave” with “H” being the first initial of the last name, and can therefore each claim to have the “right” to post as DaveH. However, Daveh, DaveH and I would appreciate your choosing another user name, Daveh2 or Daveh and the second letter of your last name or Dave a middle initial and H. So please, Daveh, exercise a little flexibility here.

        Barring that, my only other alternative is to lock you both in a room and see who comes out.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Fortunately for DaveH, those of us that know him can easily seperate and identify their comments.

      • Sirian

        OK, JeffH, you take care of the clock and I’ll supply the gloves and water buckets – Bob, you get to be the ref and we’ll limit this to three, three minute rounds.
        Winner takes all. . . Just kiddin’ guys, just kiddin’ . . . :)

      • Daveh234

        I had to go back to work and am just getting back to look at this ridiculous name calling from DaveH that I am ignorant.
        Sadly not close to true and just dumb to even attack for no other purpose than you disagree. That’s both our right, to disagree.
        I rarely, if ever, get personal in responding to things I read. That’s just basic communication. I have no idea from your background and would not simply spout epithets because of another persons opinion.
        Debate is healthy.
        Name calling, much less thoughtful on all grounds.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Commenter formerly known as Daveh,

        Thank you.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Bob.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Oh boo hoo DaveH is crying now. Stop your whining, you are starting to sound like Glenn Beck.

        What’s funny is that I didn’t notice the lowercase and started thinking I am starting to like you Dave, you are starting to get it.

      • Libertytrain

        eric, what a childish comment.

      • DaveH

        Apparently the only way Eric can debate is with personal attacks. How Progressive of him.

  • BUTERA1

    Obama is Anti all of the above!

    We can shoulder his burden, and in Nov, we are going to KICK the c r a p right out of our White House!!!

  • Paul Voiland

    ND is booming and the increase of drilling activity elsewhere is the result of the high price of oil. Now it is worthwhile to extract the oil from shale and other difficult to access reserves. When the price was low it was not a good investment to go and get it. This is increasingly true about most of the oil reserves that are discovered. While we may need to get these difficult and costly resources, developing them will not lower the cost of gas at the pump to any great extent. Indeed it will fix the cost at a high point that has to be above the cost of production. The same thing can be said about the Keystone pipeline. It will make available a large amount of expensive oil. And the oil companies, as we know, will not have any problem passing on their higher costs to consumers.
    So we are faced with a dilemma. We use easy to extract mideast oil but pay a high price in the form of military actions to assure the supply. Or we pay a higher price for difficult to obtain domestic supplies. Both alternatives mean that we will be faced with high priced oil. And that does not even address any environmental costs that come with burning oil. Maybe we should go all out to develop renewables. Maybe Obama is looking a little farther out into the future than the “drill baby drill” crowd is able to see.

    • Eric

      Well I certianly don’t blame the high priced gas on Obama . I’am even in favor of putting windmills on the oil dercks if it pays ? But I’am opposed to the politicians imposing taxes on all of us and mandating laws and special deals forcing us to buy uneconomicial products and services from some favored groupe . becuase they had the cuttest lobbiests or contributed the most to their parties political campaigne

    • ChristyK

      I would rather drill for oil here even if it is a little bit more expensive to extract. I don’t want our troops over seas being killed and maimed and making worldwide enemies whose goal is to kill Americans.

      • Earl

        Has no one noticed that the fuel supply cost more because of the DECLINING VALUE of the DOLLAR? Elementary economics………

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za pete

    At last, someone who understands that there is a limit to everything, especially oil, and priding ourselves on the projection that we have enough oil to sustain all our requirements for the next 100 years is laughable, given the fact that 100 years is a few seconds in the life of this planet. We need to focus on the difference between our wants and our needs as I have repeatedly said and there is an astronomical difference. Sure we will have oil for the next hundred years but we probably will not have clean water within the next ten to fifteen. Which is more important may explain what is meant by the difference between wants and needs. We cannot drink oil and we sure as hell cannot eat gold or paper money.Amen.

    • Eric

      How much oil did we need two hundred yrs ago ? So why are you so concerned with our oil supply two hundred yrs from now ? We really are not able to predict the future . Our great great grand fathers could have never imagined today . We are today in a even much faster changing world . We can not imagine what the world will need two hundred yrs from now . I realy question how the goverenmennt is doing all this carefull management for our great grandchildrans future . I really don’t believe this goverenment or any other goverenment is even serriously able to protect even my future , much less my grandchildrans future . Right now I know for a fact the politicians are all mostly concerned with the next election , that is this yr , this fall . No one of any experience even believes they are even possibely telling the truth , about much of anything . The goverenment has made reckless promises to all of us and set up one Ponzie scheme after another so that the whole house of cards can not even continue to exist with out robbing someone , if not evreyone . So lets all be a little more honest and get back to the real world .

    • ChristyK

      You use the prediction of 100 years worth of oil reserves, but that leaves out coal and natural gas which we have proven reserves for several 100 years. The other fact left out is that even though we are continually drilling for oil, our proven reserves keep going up. Exploration and technology have consistently found much more oil than we have used since we first started drilling for oil. It is unreasonable to think that from this day forward we will not find any more oil and we will not advance our technology to allow us to get more oil out of the ground. We are clearly several generations away from being forced to use other energy sources.

      Smart people will continue to work on alternate sources of energy, but the government shouldn’t have any influence over which technologies to research. The government needs to get out of the subsidy business. No subsidies for oil or wind or solar or ethanol or anything else. Regulations should also be minimized. If a company’s actions don’t provably hurt someone else, then the government needs to stay out of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bodrupinhammer Darrell Russell

    We all know(those that care about this country and freedom) that Obama has destroyed this nations energy exploration and utilization (or the people that he has surrounded himself with). Health care that has nothing to do about health care but union jobs, GM and Chrysler bailout also union job protection, and cap and trade.is his signature of redistribution of wealth on a world wide scale.
    With the balance of the electorate beginning to tip away from the conservatives and for the democrats and that does not bode well for an out come of the 2012 election that this Republic will or can survive.
    Get out and talk to your friends and neighbors, talk to your local ans state representative. Get involved this is the last chance we will all have to live in a free society.

  • Denny

    The progressive Democrats and the present outlaw administration want a dictatorship. Plane and simple. They are taking away hope, they are taking away opportunity, and change?, What type of change do you really want? Make a list and see if it fits the Obama administraion’s changes that have happened so far in the last three years, or better yet, go back to 2006 when the Democrts took both the House and Senate. Are these the changes you really want for our country, kids, and grandkids?

  • Patriot

    As gas prices near $5 per gallon headed to $7 or above, ponder this, if the government and unelected bureaucrats get out of the way, we can have under $2 per gallon. Hey Mr. President where is all that Green Energy you promised and the trillions spent over the last 3 years, here’s a clue: many went Bankrupt our money is gone. We cannot survive as a country another 4 years of the administration!~

  • Kevin Flanders

    Keep in mind that one of the reasons drilling in ND is so prolific is the majority of these wells are on PRIVATE land and most North Dakotans have a skepticism of government to begin with.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      And for good reasons they are skeptical of government. I am Too, howabout you?

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    I notice more lame brained lefties coming on this sight all time. Those are the ones that the big oil and big buisness should be listening to ,I suppose. I want to be on sight when the dumb bastards try filling thier gas tank with algai and alter native fuel. Give some sensible examples instead of stupid suggestions, And then leave the gas pump alone for those that know where they have to go to get fuel, Who would ever believe those are the ones that care so much about future generations enough to drive a solar charged GM car to save the world for the next 200 years.. Then watch and see what they vote for in the next election. They ‘ll vote for the same communist that is there now and still spout thier self rightousness. If any of them knew what they were trying to dish out is nothing but commie rhetoric, found in the communist manifesto and would not even research the facts that some one of thier own hadn’t told them where to look . That is the first thing that grabs your attention , they all sound the same with nothing to add that has any sense

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Gottaplenty
      only an ignoramus who probably has reading comprehension problem can come away from a discussion and all he has to say is lame brain lefties and dumb bastards.

      We are all in this together and I hope that gas goes to $9 a gallon. That way we will be forced to make a leap into clean renewable energy.

      It’s coming! the only question is:
      Do you want to lead and do something great?
      Or do you want to just keep making fun of those who have a better vision because you just don’t get it and you are afraid and therefore you would rather keep making war to hang on to your stupid, dinosaur, antiquated and massively polluting carbon energy?

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Good Luck with that Eric

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        By golly Eric You you took the hit, One of them

      • eddie47d

        How did all that drilling in the past do for you guys? Drill,Drill,Drill didn’t solve the problem and you still attack the use of alternative energy sources and depend on foreign resources. There is drilling going on and even if it is ramped up even more it won’t solve the present or long term problem. Help the future along and stop retreating into the past.

      • DaveH

        Wow, a rare moment of honesty from a Progressive. I’m impressed.
        Eric says “We are all in this together and I hope that gas goes to $9 a gallon. That way we will be forced to make a leap into clean renewable energy”.
        Yep, that about sums it up. The Progressives want us to suffer, and they want to FORCE their ways on us.
        I love it. Progressive exposes himself.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        DaveH, :) as reasoned by Eric the Red.

      • eddie47d

        The other half of high prices at the pump comes from Speculators who control those prices through Wall Street. 64% of a barrel of oil can come from speculation,(usually it is somewhat less) but only shows how we are being manipulated by them. I thought Hedge Fund managers were evil but they must have a twin brother. Those Speculators actually make the oil companies look fairly good in comparison.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Like it or not, gas will go $9 and more and it will choke the economy again and again. And all of that because the stuck-in-the carbon-energy-mode greedy-bastards crowd are too afraid to lead and go for it in a big way. And because they are STILL too scared to do the right things like conservation and efficiency and electric cars and raising CAFÉ standards and banning exporting these products from the US or starting cooperatives to driil in the US where the workers own the company and share in the profits and lower the consumer price or nationalizing the oil like the Venezuelans did for themselves. And now the Venezuelans which you so love to hate pay $.12 yes that’s right 12 cents a gallon. They also donate heating oil for the poor in america. Have you looked at what they are paying for gas in europe, in Amsterdam it’s like $6.50 a gallon for regular.. Nigerians, Kuwaitis and Saudis all pay less than a Dollar for a gallon. Some of you talk about the coming Chinese middle class, I got news for you they are here and will soon surpass us in consumption and the Indians are right behind them. This is not news, the progressives were trying to sound the alarm bells on this in the 70s and no one wanted to hear it. Like no one here wants to entertain the possibility of man made global warming! If you feel like a fool (and you will eventually), you should.

      • DaveH

        Eric says:
        “greedy-bastards”.
        “they are STILL too scared to do the right things”.
        “If you feel like a fool (and you will eventually), you should”.
        As usual, Eric, the “well-read” Progressive, must resort to adolescent manipulative tactics. Such a child. My 12-year old grandson gives better debate.

      • DaveH

        Eric brags about Venezuela, Nigeria, China, and India. And then tries to bring up the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax, as if that horse wasn’t beat to death over a year ago.
        Okay, let’s look at those Progressive paradises:
        Gross Per Capita Income 2010 on a Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) basis:
        United States (for reference) — $47020
        Venezuela — $11590
        Nigeria — $2160
        China — $7570
        India — $3560

        Average miles traveled by car in the US — about 15,000 per year.
        Average fuel economy per vehicle in the US — about 20 miles per gallon.
        Oh yeah, let’s all move to Nigeria where we can save $3700 a year (at $5/gallon) on gas but give up $45000/year on our incomes.
        You first, Eric. We’ll follow (fat chance).
        Remember Folks, Eric is in the Intellectual Class. That’s a scary thought.

  • chucky

    This administration and his biggest contributers are invested up to their eyeballs in green technology, wanting gas prices to skyrocket so Americans will invest in it. Who in their right mind would throw 50-100k into their already upside down home unless you have more money than brains. Latest studies show that you are just paying about 25 years of your energy bill in advance. They just hiked my electric 10% (Atlantic City Electric) so they are looking to spike electric prices to scare the public to look to green alternatives. If you want the energy prices to go down instead of choosing alternative energy,choose an alternative president instead.

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Chucky
      Too bad a real alternative candidate never gets the time of day in this country. I suspect that collectively, we are getting what we deserve.

      • Old Gringo

        Eric that is the most cogent comment you have made today. There may be hope for you yet though I’m not going to hold my breath.

      • Earl

        Eric—–How about if we call you ERIC THE RED (not the viking conqueror) the moniker fits you well and I predict it will stick! What say ALL?

  • TML

    “What he meant was that his Administration would continue pouring billions of dollars into every wasteful alternative energy pipe dream they could think up…”

    While I certainly agree that we should be drilling for oil independence, but I don’t believe we should be shaking a stick at alternative energy investments either, even if one considers them a ‘pipe dream’. Personally I think a lot more investment and research should go into the invention that burns salt water as fuel using radio waves. A ‘pipe dream’? Perhaps… but then again, so were most of the dreams that founded this country, along with the television and automobile. Fossil fuels can not be reproduced, so they will, eventually, disappear someday in the future. We should prepare for that now… for our children of future generations… by seeking alternative energies, while using the ones we have to their fullest.

    • Vicki

      The beauty of a free market is that you CAN invest in any alternative energy you think is viable (I invested in solar btw (Not solyandra :) ).

      What we object to is being forced to pay more for currently active tech (100 year old oil) by government just to try to get us to buy solyandras failed products. We also object to the government taking OUR money at GUNPOINT for the pet projects of the few crony capitalists. We have our own ideas about where to invest that money.

      • TML

        I couldn’t agree more. I think that if federal government would just get out of the way, many of these problems would solve themselves. The pipeline from Canada was blocked, and while I understand that it’s the federal government’s job to have something to say about our international borders… it seems irrational and even mutually exclusive, to use force in effort to wean the country from oil dependence. Add to that the fact that the Federal government should not be telling any State whether they can drill on their own land, along with the endless crusader wars against countries which supply from the Middle East, and one could consider it an attempt at forcing us to go ‘cold-turkey’.

        But it also comes from the ‘rareness’ of the oil, or the idea that it cannot be reproduced… which makes the cost of such a 100 year old technology more and more expensive as well. i.e. the demand continues to grow, while supply diminishes into oblivion.

        We should not only be drilling for the oil resource, and opening up oil trade with Canada (especially while these wars persist), but also drilling for the science to discover how to reproduce it… allowing the ‘free market’ to work it’s American ingenuity.

      • DaveH

        I’m sure you know this, Vicki, but a large portion of oil and gasoline’s higher prices is due to the Federal Reserve increasing our money supply (classic inflation) which decreases the value of our money, resulting in higher prices for our goods. Consumer Price Inflation always happens first with commodities.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • Vicki

        @DaveH. Very well aware. We still don’t want our inflated money being taken at gunpoint and given to the current (or any) administrations crony capitalist friends. :)

  • jopa

    The best one this week was Mitt Romney laughing at Obama,” What’s next put a wind mill on the top of your car, that’s so silly because that is where your dog goes”.Thank you Steve Colbert for this one.

  • Robert, TX

    The reasons to drill our to: improve OUR economy; increase good jobs; provide additional oil and stabilize supply; and to provide a more accurate U.S. price. All good reasons. To get the real prices back into reality, we have to undo what the maggot Phil Gramm did twelve years ago with the Enron loophole – that fuzzy little paragraph Ted Turner’s best friend snuck into midnight legislation – that allows Soros, Pickens, Turner and other hedge-fund maggots to manipulate OUR energy markets for THEIR political gains. And the House republican eunuchs do NOTHING. For the FOXbots (and other uninformed) there is a BIG difference between real fighting and just sending a bill to Harry Reid. They should have shut the govt. down when they had the chance – and refused to increase the debt ceiling. THAT is how you play hardball.

    • John

      That would only work if we decouple our oil from the international market, stop trading it as a commodity and slap export tariffs on oil and oil products. Unless we do this, the jobs that will be created are minimal. 4 people can oversee 1000 oil wells. its all computerized and remote controlled these days. There are NO idle oil drilling rigs inside the US, they all work full time. so there will be hardly any new jobs created because of drilling either. It takes about 8 years to manufacture a new rig. Unless we do what i have said above, the only new jobs that will be created are jobs on wall street and the only economy that would profit would be the economies of China and India that are currently starving for more oil.

      • Robert, TX

        The Enron loophole is exactly WHAT coupled our energy markets to ICE in the first place – and removed the primary requirement that speculative traders were required to take delivery of the oil – or back off the trade. If Southwest Airlines wanted to buy $ 50,000,000 of August oil they were allowed to make the trade. If T Bone came in with a $ 100,000,000 order for his hedge fund – the order was flagged, and if placed he would be required to take delivery (and guess what, he would not do it). These “hedge funds” and investment banks own Congress, which is precisely why nothing is done. Exxon could care less, because they are not paying $ 105 per barrel in the first place. The damage to our economy is extensive.

  • John

    What Chip doesn’t say in his rant is that although we have over a trillion barrels of oil, according to ALL industry insiders and specialist I have talked to and read about and watched on TV, NONE of it is viable to be extracted if the price per barrel is below about $100-150 and some of it need prices per barrel of oil even higher. Its just to expensive. Cheap easy to get to oil has already peaked in this world. The fact that the Canadians now process tar sands for oil something that was deemed to expensive even at the time of the oil embargo in the 70s should tell people something. Something that becomes unsustainable and too expensive if oil is below about $70 a barrel should tell people that the writing is on the wall and “cheap oil and gas” is a thing of the past. The first oil fields in Saudi are starting to run try and as soon as the mid east cheap oil is gone prices will sky rock… and there is nothing any drilling and domestic production can do about. Cheap oil has peaked in the US long time ago, the oil fields that produced it are empty and dry. If the price per barrel of oil goes below ~$60 today, most US oil production would simply cease like it has before… because it cost more to produce the oil then to buy it from others
    All of this are facts for everyone to find and research. Don’t just simply believe what you are spoon feed by people with an agenda, research and think on your own. If we could wave a wand and could up our output and production in the US instantly by 1 billion barrels of oil a day…. … the price on the pump will still not come down.. the market will just gobble it up and it will go to India and China or Europe… simple because there is where the money and profit for the oil corporations is, not in the US…ALL oil is traded on the international market, and just because someone would produce more will not lower the price. Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC will gladly produce less to keep the price high. They know that their reserves are shrinking and the time where the flow of the cheap money will stop is not so far in the future. It is estimated that this world has about 15-20 years of so called “cheap oil” ( ~$60-80/barrel) as reserves at current demand, after that the price to retrieve oil will go up and up. Yes we have a lot of oil, no doubt about, but none of this is “cheap” oil and producing it will cost us a lot more then most will be willing to pay. An estimated 80% of oil goes into the production of non fuel items. Look around you, realize that close to a hundred percent of day to day items either is made from a petroleum product or petroleum products where used to make it. It goes from the production of fertilizer to coax product from a soil that is nearly sterile because of mass production to plastics to everything else. Many people (not only “”liberal loons”") predict that air travel in the future will be a luxury only the independent wealthy can afford. 30 years from now, people will be looking back and will say wow we where stupid, 30 years from now, conservatives will blame liberals for using so much oil that the society as they know it is hardly sustainable. Get of your blinders and watch the movie “a crude awakening” and then read this article again and you all will see how much wool is being pulled over your eyes in the name of greed and short term profits.

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    John , while your doing all that reading check out the oil shale potentual in Colo, Utah Wyoming etc. There is more oil there than in Saudi Arabia. , And can be produced cheaper than it is now being done…

    • John

      I know how much oil is in places like Utah and Wyoming, in fact, I own land there with several oil and gas wells on them. I can tell you with certainty, if oil goes below $60/barrel, most of the pumps stand still and I hardly get any royalty payments.

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        Your slipping John I was speaking of oilshale production which is proven to be much cheaper to produce cleaner oil.

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  • jay Lindberg

    We can drill our way to prosperity if only Heir Guberment would get out of our way.

    When will the idiots learn that the easy oil is gone and the alternatives, Non-conventional sources will be expensive to extract and process. There will also be environmental trade-offs. What does environmental trade-offs mean you might ask?

    One Fracting well in Penn can poison up to a million acre feet of water. Cleanup costs, up to half a billion dollars. These dirty bastards are planning on drilling up to 10,000 fracting wells underneath the Delaware watershed. That drilling will poison the Delaware River and most of the Delaware watershed in the process.

    One thing you probably don’t know about the Delaware is that it flows both ways, which means at high tide, that river flows up into the rivers and streams in New Jersey where I live.

    May your kids die of cancer and an angry farmer empty a 9 mm into your pointed little head. Save the Delaware, go solar.

    • John

      Cheap and easy oil in the US has peaked quite a while ago, and has peaked according to many oil people world wide in 2010 (people like the Saudi oil minister,US energy minister under Bush and others). We are depleting our resources and cheap oil will be exhausted in another 15-30 years… unless of course world wide recession or other event would cause demand to slump. All that would be left after that would be oil resources that are requiring the price per barrel to be at a minimum of currently ~$150 and possibly a lot higher. The time to look for alternates is now, while we still have plenty. Once it gets so expensive that burning it as fuel is idiotic, it will be too late. We are an oil based society, all of our advances are simply because of plentiful oil, once cheap oil is gone, our way of living will be gone to….. unless we get our heads out of the sand and look for alternates.

  • Lawrence

    In the 1960′s Iwas stationed at a radar station for 5&1/2 years in Bismark North Dakota. The people of North Dakota were most kind and helpful to me and my family while we were there. They are hard working, industrious, and productive. When as an USAF sergeant, Imoved there in 1960′s extremely cold winter, I moved into a rental house and my houshold goods had not yet arrived, my new neighbors loaned fourniture and beds and brought meals to feed my family every day until our things arrived. My stay in North Dakota was very pleasant and I will always remember their kindness. I am overjoyed to see them prospering.

  • Robert Lebischak

    I wonder why this isn’t in the news. Is it possible the machine and media don’t want us to know that there is a way to get jobs and not have to depend on the machine (government) for handouts. Our government is working on making the people slaves to them, they know what’s best for us, they tell us what to do. Next comes how to think, and feel. This election is the most important one we have had in our lifetimes, how we vote will determine our very future, will we actually think and vote, or just do as we are told? The future is ours to hold or lose, which will it be?

    • FreedomFighter

      Rewatch Huxlys:

      Brave new world.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Power To The People

    The gloves are off…Eric brought up race! You know when a Lib is either wrong, pissed off or lost an argument….they bring up the race card!

    I don’t care if the Fake-in-Chief if green….he is a socialist/marxist dictator and Congress butters his bread. Oil and gas are the least of our worries….better start preparing for the continued take over of our lives by the liberals and 1% power brokers who really run the country.

    • Eric

      I really have not seen much difference in Obama and Bush . I believe the republicans had allready started the bank bailouts even before they left office . And if I remember right , it was the republicans that insisted the executives of the bankrupt companies should still get their bonuises after the bailout . It looks to me both parties would rather strengthend their party than do whats right for the country . As far as drill baby drill for more $60 dollar oil , I say go ahead , ship it to China , so they can manufacture cheap solar collectors for us . Thats probabley the only way we can honestly get the cheapest and most efficient solar collectors anyway . It seems evrey time we get the goverenment more involved things just turn out funky . Either its subsidized competition , or special low cost goverenment loans with eventual dept forgiveness . This is free trade , if its cheaper to buy U.S. oil haul it all the way to China , manufacture the solar collectors there and ship them all the way back to North Dak so be it . If it is not ? make your collectors yourself and keep your oil . The goverenment doesn’t need to do anything . Just stay out of the way . But this is where we have a major problem , the goverenment does not want to stay out of the way . There are just so many people that want the goverenment to be more involved and maybe give them some special favor . We are not bankrupt yet , but we could file any day .

  • http://personellibertyrights.com Rich

    It has been brought to my attention with the warm winter we have plenty oil reserves its just that Obama would rather let these oil companies sell their oil overseas at a higher price instead of making them keep it here in the U.S to bring or had prices down! All he would have to do is tell these oil companies that we will than add an export tax on them high enough that it would stay here instead of being shred off, and He is not stupid just ignorant and could care less, he can afford it, its our tax dollars he is spending to fill his tank!

  • uvuvuv

    i was on the empire builder in 2003 and was shocked a the desolation of williston nd. how can people live here, i thought. why is the train even stopping here? the people shuffling around outside looked like dust bowl numbed okies, who by the way, i surmised with a sniff, also looked lacking in progressive pro-gay and pro-choice educations. now of course williston is bustling although i haven’t been back to compare, but i suspect that their faces show an edge of concern, what are we doing to the environment? back east the do-good thinkers are also concerned about this. now you see, they think about doing good, but they don’t actually do it. it’s the thought that counts. they talk about saving the planet, not aware that every item they buy in the store came in by semi, and that in getting to the store to buy those items brought in by semi they are burning gas themselves. they might even own hummers and escalades, “but you see, we have an actual need for these.” hey even obama’s air force one and helicopter burn gas. why doesn’t he lead the way and switch them to burning recovered restaurant grease?

  • mark

    Barack Obama is killing america

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Let’s be honest, our arrogance, ignorance, hypocrisy, illiteracy, ill health, greedy bastards mentality, and our despicable empire building attitude is what’s killing America. All that while we pretend to be a good christian nation preaching democracy to the rest of the world.

      Wake up sore losers! Obama is just the last guy this country voted in as president and they only did that because they were desperately HOPING for change.

  • Daveh

    I had been on here for a while when I saw someone with my username. I changed mine

    • DaveH

      I call BS, Dave, or whatever your real name is. I comment daily and have been for 2 years now. There’s no way you could have missed that. Your response just certifies to me that you are up to no good.
      Any kind of polite commenter would have done something voluntarily to end the conflict like, for instance, calling yourself Daveh2 or something else distinguished from mine. But then, if you are one of Flashman’s personalities, I guess “polite” would be a stretch.

  • FreedomFighter

    A picture is worth 1000 words:

    http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_Pics_of_Day/120315.pic.of.day.d.html

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • eddie47d

    One of the best energy sources is feed lots for cattle that have plenty of manure. That is a good energy source going to waste so to speak. We now have systems that can turn this by product into gold and without the smell.It’s called the Anaerobic Digester and can be profitable. Sam’s and Walmart caught on and are buying large quantities of the electricity that is produced from these digesters. It has to be a cattle operation of more than 500 cows and once set up it can produce 140 kilowatts and power a farm plus one hundred homes. That on top of the excess electricity that is sold to those businesses.

    • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

      Now Eddie arent you one that complains about polution,, You dont know much about feed lots and cattle production do you.. Or much else as far as youve shown.

    • Karolyn

      I read some time ago about a farmer who was running his farm and farm vehicles on cow manure.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      …and our government has been feeding us “bull crap” for decades…but??? what would the extremist orgs like the Humane Society, Peta and their ilk have to say about using the “feed lot” animal’s waste as a source of energy????…think that’s an easy enough fix? Think again!

  • Insurgent

    The price America continues to pay for allowing the DNC to place an illegal, lying Kenyan (offensive word removed) on the ballot.
    America is being overran by mental midgets!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Insurgent…do everyone a favor and leave your ignorant racist comments in your mind and not in the comment box at PLD.

      Moderator, could you plese remove the ignorant racist comments.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Thank you.

  • brian

    Having worked in the bakken reserve building roads in and around Williston, I can honestly say its like being in another country. I am a california resident who can testify first hand that the nanny state of Ca. has destroyed thousands of working class lives. Thank God for the jobs in North Dakota I will be returning to work in one month.

    • FreedomFighter

      What do you expect, Ca is run by progressive liberals and overrun by illegal aliens sucking up jobs and handouts.

      Now Ca is going to raise taxes on the rich, they will flee, Ca will go the way of all socialist states—down the tubes.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • http://Yahoo Maynard

    When will you ever learn? It’s time to wean off of the filthy fossil fuels. There’s hydrogen in every drop of water. Learn about hydrogen fuel cells. The “waste” from it’s consumption as fuel is called water vapor. You conservatives would tear up , contaminate and pollute all of air, land and water instead of conserving our earth, if you thought it would help you make a buck. We have only one Earth. Don’t let greed destroy it.

    • Vicki

      There is just one little problem (well actually 2). The hydrogen has already given up its chemical energy to become that “water”. So where were you getting the energy to pull that hydrogen off the oxygen? If we were to expand your logic we could ask why are progressives so down on CO2. After all there is Carbon there. Carbon releases energy when combined with oxygen. Oh yeah. Same problem. It already did.

      Oh the 2nd problem with your hydrogen is transport and storage.

    • DaveH

      As usual, the picture is much more complex than the Liberals present to us:
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp90.pdf

      • Vicki

        Another detail that the environmentalists conveniently neglect is that burning hydrogen for energy creates water vapor. The Number 1 green house gas. If green house gasses are so dangerous why are they suggesting we create more of the biggest?

        http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

      • DaveH

        Don’t expect reason or consistency from Liberals. It’s all about Power. They will spread whatever Propaganda ignorant people will buy.

  • libertarian58

    http://www.rense.com/general68/peakoildeepoil.htm
    To All:
    Please read this article, it’s a bit dated, but relevant.

  • Thinking About

    The nicest results would be oil companies, drilling, research and all the others to step up and take responsibility for their actions but this does not happen. The price of gas is determined by the world market, If we drilled on every acre in the USA the prices would still be the same. We have refineries in the USA near the Canadian border and what does those involved want, to pipe the oil to refineries in Texas. Does this show their intelligence or is it more profitable to Koch Industries. Those who ranted and raved about the BP oil spill and what is Obama doing about it, guess what, another look had to be taken and safety measures needed to be placed to give further advantage this would not occur again. It is like rearing children, you don’t send them into the street to play in traffic and you don’t turn a blind eye to operating safely. Ranting about all the minerals on federal property, there are thousands of acres which are not on federal lands and oil companies are not drilling on many of those acres.

  • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

    “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,” Steven Chu, now the energy secretary, said in a 2008 interview with the Wall Street Journal. A gallon of regular cost just $1.85 the day before President Barack Obama was inaugurated.

    The Obama administration’s massive subsidies to “green” firms have produced more embarrassment than energy. Solar panel manufacturer Solyndra, which went bankrupt last September after receiving $535 million, has left behind an environmental mess. Eleven other subsidized firms are having financial problems and five have filed for bankruptcy, CBS News reported in January.

    In his state of the union address this year, President Barack Obama cited battery manufacturer Ener1 as a government investment success. Ener1 filed for bankruptcy two days later.

    The $38.6 billion in loan guarantees it provided to “green” firms created just 3,545 permanent new jobs, according to a Department of Energy estimate. That’s an average cost of $5 million per job.

    Mr. Obama’s “investments” haven’t been bad for all of us. Eighty percent of the firms that got DOE loans are run or owned by the president’s financial backers, according to the Hoover Institution’s Peter Schweizer. “Green Firms Get Fed Cash, Give Execs Bonuses, Fail,” headlined an ABC News investigative report broadcast Tuesday.

    In what was billed as a “major speech” on energy policy Feb. 23, the president pledged to make more such “investments.”
    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/jack-kelly/obamas-energy-abyss-221858/?p=0

    • Thinking About

      If one were to use your reasoning, gas was $4.12 in the summer of 2008 and after the election of Obama gas was $1.89. With this information how do assess this information. Could it be the previous administration allowed the gas prices to go high or they brought the prices down. Probably neither since those prices are traded on the world market. What would be wrong with using some of God’s given resources such as sun and wind. They are renewable and don’t cost as much to harvest as oil. Another item to dwell on, we have been putting $2B a week into a middle eastern wars, how many Solyndra would that make not to count the loss and injuries we have suffered.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        TA, what part of “The Obama administration’s massive subsidies to “green” firms have produced more embarrassment than energy.” do you not understand?

        What part of “Green Firms Get Fed Cash, Give Execs Bonuses, Fail,” headlined an ABC News investigative report…” do you not understand?

        what part of “$38.6 billion in loan guarantees it provided to “green” firms created just 3,545 permanent new jobs, according to a Department of Energy estimate. That’s an average cost of $5 million per job.” don’t you understand?

        What part of the Obama Administrations “green investment are going to Obama’s cronies” don’t you understand?

        Think about that!

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      …and what part of “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe”, Steven Chu, now the energy secretary, said in a 2008 interview with the Wall Street Journal.” did you not understand?

  • scout

    Here’s an idea. The states with known oil/gas reserves who refuse to let drilling resume should pay the highest prices for gasoline/diesel. Like California. They already pay premium due to higher taxes and oxygenating the fuels. Let them pay MORE.

  • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts littlepat

    I moved to North Dakota from California 10 years ago. Best thing I ever did. Tell Obama and all his liberal buddies to keep their butts out of North Dakota. We don’t want them here or need them here. Maybe we should “post” the area. “Liberal trespassers will be shot on sight.”

    • FreedomFighter

      Tell you a true story:

      I have a 150 pound Rotty-German Shep mix, the dog is a working dog, trained to work in old folks homes as a therapy dog. Exceptionally well trained (professional training) with a wonder kind happy attitude.

      I put a conservative k-9 Tee on the dog that reads “I bite liberals”.

      I sat outside the local StarBucks coffee shop drinkin my joe and people would come up and want to pet the dog…it was comical to watch some of them reach down to pet the dog, read the “I bite liberals” and yank there hand away…allmost lost my coffee laughing more than once.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Raggs

    This anti-american slime ball that some call prez needs to take a fast walk back into his hole and leave us alone…

  • oh oh

    Drilling fact vs. fiction, Obama technically is right that overall domestic production is up, but misleading because the increase is not due to his policies, but other factors that continue to grow production in spite of Obama’s policies, which have reduced production in federal areas under his control. So he lowers production within his jurisdiction by slowing or withholding drilling permits, continues to support raising gasoline prices to European levels to artificially modify our behavior in favor of alternative energy technologies that are far from ready or able, and then speaks as if he’s a leader on board with domestic drilling. He’s a transparent ideologue, hypocrite and bad man… and we keep excusing his dishonest behavior and paying for his dumb, destructive ideas:

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html#/v/1511202778001/drilling-fact-vs-fiction/?playlist_id=86925

    • Thinking About

      Was the company which had the oil spill in the gulf named Obama oil? The one I heard about was BP. Why was the deep drilling permits held up. Permits was being given with years old data , expert in spills had been deceased for years. The department who was issuing the permits watched porno instead of doing the job they had been appointed to do. The methods was not sufficient to handle the blowout. This is why permits needed to be halted so the failures could be taken care of.

  • George Moberly

    I read a few of the cool-aid inired rants by a joker that goes by the handle Flashy. What a joke. He should be forrObama. Maybe he can find some wind power to help blow the healthcare program along These left wingers can come up with some real doozies they just don’t know how to pay for them. Maybe they can make a tax collecter box and have em installed on or bedposts. They already tax everything else. Moe

  • chuckb

    drilling is up on private grounds, barry claims he has issued permits for new oil exploration, however, he didn’t mention the fact the permits are not finalized because of environmental concerns. everything about barry is a lie, we have more crude sitting underground than saudi arabia, we probably have as much as any nation on earth and this clown doesn’t have a clue, maybe they should draw out a plan like a basketball game and he would understand it better.
    we have an infinite supply of natural gas and could convert our auto’s in short time. the environmental whackos furnished by our educational system are still in the stone age, battery power, windmills and sunlight, people have been trying for a hundred years to build a battery for auto power, still a failure and probably always will be. wind power, limited and still not the answer, sunlight is a diminishing power and not profitable.
    we have the oil industry and the environmental whackos keeping the price of energy up, so we are in a world of hurt until both these entities are controlled.

  • Patriot

    Comparing California to North Dakota is a bit of a stretch. Having grown up in La Jolla, the last thing that we need to do is drill off of the coast of California. Sh!t holes like North Dakota, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, etc., fine. Drilling off of the coast of California, never.

    • Libertytrain

      patriot – what an ignorant comment.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        I agree!

      • DaveH

        What do you expect from the Left-Coast elites?

  • S Johnson

    The remark that Obama can’t do anything about oil prices is b.s. From all the lies he told the American public why are there people out there who say he’s a great Pres! That is so stupid! A man with half the leadership skills could do a better job! If this man is elected again we are toast! Open your eyes!

  • gnafu

    To destroy a Society, you first must destroy their money. Wind and Solar power is a neat idea but it takes years and trillions of dollars for tests and development. (More spending) We don’t have that many years and we sure don’t have the trillions of dollars to get deeply into that kind of energy right now. But, we, right now, do have the Natural Resources, Man Power, Equipment…to go after our very own petrolium. I don’t know that getting the crude out of the earth and natural gas out of the rocks will lower the gas prices right now but it’s a step in the right direction. We need to be oil independent and we can do it within a relatively short time as compared to wind or solar that will take another 15-20 years to perfect.Germany has solar energy and they are going bankrupt. Only 3% of Germans can use it. And, solar energy does not stop green house gasses as EPA says our oil, coal and other natural resources cause. Germany has proved that.

    • Thinking About

      Are you saying our natural resources such as oil is going to be free? Absolutely not it is going to cost trillions of dollars. How much money have we spent in Iraq? Dollars better spent would have been in sokar and wind power. How much money are we spending getting ethanol? How much damage has solar and wind harvesting harmed our enviroment? Surely not as much as the oil spills, leaks and pollution in refining the oil. There are lots of acres in the US leased from private parties and I assure they are not drilling on lots of those acres. It is available but probably some of the decision makers stand to gain more in the federal lands. How much more money are we going to spend in order to “protect oil interest” and the whole world is going to enjoy and not pay a dime.

      • DaveH

        How much damage? Perhaps you should visit the eyesores that are near Palm Springs, CA, or in the desert near Barstow north of highway 40.
        There is not a single doubt in my mind that if the Wind Generators and Solar Panel arrays were Conservative ideas, the Liberals would have screamed bloody murder.

  • Sam Mullins

    US reserves—43 times greater than the current world‘s proved oil reserves, 180+ years worth of domestic energy.
    OBAMA LIES ABOUT AMERICA’S ENEGRY RESERVES…Obama says the US is energy poor with only 2-3% of the worlds oil reserves, WRONG ! see this link:

    http://www.netl.doe.gov/energy-analyses/pubs/EnergySecurityinLiquidFuels.pdf

    In reguards to energy=quote “the estimated sum of these resources totals approximately 51 trillion barrels of oil equivalent—43 times greater than the current estimate of the world‘s proved oil reserves. If only 2–3 percent can be recovered economically, the United States will secure additional energy reserves equal to the current estimate of the entire world‘s proved oil reserves. This supply would endure for more than 180 years at the current rate of U.S. oil consumption (.025x51trillion/7bnb/yr).: end quote… from offical US-DOE/ USGS & NETL government joint agency study/report 2007…

    This NON-partisan report is a joint US governmental angency report from 2007 conducted by the US-DOE, USGS, NETL and EIA federal govermental agencies decade long study/research… It estimates 2-3 times the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia in the Us Rockies in the Green River oil shale formation alone… I am a 27yr Petroleum Exploration Geologist, and can tell you that Raytheon & Schlumburger have jointly developed a RF-technology process that will alow us to access 1.8 to 2.2 trillion barrells from the Rockies alone…For our American Economy, For our future & American Jobs, For our American Energy Security and Independence for centuries to come, it is essential that we develope these resources NOW….
    We have been truly BLESSED BY GOD with rich resources as a nation…

    If government can control how when and where we travel, GOVERNMENT will control us COMPLETELY… That is why they want us to be DEPENDENT on MASS TRANSIT and the Government… This includes electric cars, VIA government control of the electrical grid by use of “smart meters” and utilities regulatory authority we have already given to government…

    CAN YOU SAY BIG BROTHER ?…CAN YOU SAY MARXISM ? ? ?

    IT’S WAY PAST TIME FOR AMERICA TO ACCESS OUR OWN RESOURCES and STOP SENDING OUR PETRO-DOLLARS TO OPEC COUNTRIES & TERRORIST THAT SEND IT BACK AT US IN BOMBS & BULLETS ! ! !

    Sam T. Mullins
    27+ years Petroleum Exploration Geologist
    Co-founder, Santa Rosa Tea Party Patriots
    Proud Father 8 year 4 time combat veteran

    • George Moberly

      Dear Mr Mullins In reply to your comments on oil in the USA. I would just like to say brovo and God bless you and yours. It would be nice to read more of the same from others. Moe

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002684651114 Barney Murrell

        George Moberly writes: “US reserves—43 times greater than the current world‘s proved oil reserves, 180+ years worth of domestic energy. OBAMA LIES ABOUT AMERICA’S ENEGRY RESERVES…Obama says the US is energy poor with only 2-3% of the worlds oil reserves, WRONG ! see this link:
        http://www.netl.doe.gov/energy analyses/pubs/EnergySecurityinLiquidFuels.pdf In regards to energy=quote “the estimated sum of these resources totals approximately [...].”

        BUT the amount of US energy reserves is NOT the whole truth because most of it is not recoverable with todays technology. Data at the referenced link (“Attaining Energy Security in Liquid Fuels Through Diverse U.S. Energy Alternatives”) says, on page 6, the following:

        “Roughly, 99 percent of the U.S. endowment of solid, liquid, and gaseous fuels requires technical advances and/or further exploration to be economically recoverable.”

        According to the data only 1% of energy reserves are currently available. Thus Obama is not a liar, but his critics who claim Obama is wrong about recoverable energy reserves are.

      • DaveH

        People can jaw-bone all day long about how many reserves we have or don’t have, but the truth would be revealed if we got Government Intervention out of the Marketplace and let people do what they do best. It’s like arguing who can get from point A to point B the quickest when there’s a 500 lb Gorilla in the road who randomly chooses who to impede.
        But there’s no doubt in my mind that Progressive convention would be turned on its ear with Free Markets and Voluntary Transactions.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002684651114 Barney Murrell

          American government spending from the Great Depression onward has been as much responsible for creating American wealth as private investment. Very little of the agriculture, medical, biological, and scientific research and development that has taken place in government labs and universities would have been done by private industry. Wall Street stock analysts consistently drive down stock prices of any corporation they considered guilty of spending a little to much on R&D.

          Between 1865 and 1932 government spent little beyond bare necessity. Consequently, there were eight recessions and three major depressions, not including the Great Depression, and the United States was little more than a third world country, where laissez faire economics and social Darwinism ruled the day and half the population lived at are below poverty level.

          For example, see Child Labor in America 1908 – 1912, photographs of Lewis W. Hine at http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/childlabor/about.htm

          It is hardly a Libertarian lifestyle to be recommended.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002684651114 Barney Murrell

    There is no truth whatsoever to Republican claims that President Obama is responsible for gas price increases, or that more oil production in U.S. will lower prices. For years U.S. corporations have been exporting refined petroleum products and gradually raising gas and diesel prices while the amount of oil imports remained relatively stable.

    The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports that from 2005 through 2010 exports of gas, diesel fuel, and other petroleum products increased from 425,190 to 858,685 thousands of barrels per year (http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mttexus1&f=a). At the same time crude oil imports were decreasing from 3,695,971 to 3,362,856 million barrels per year, but gasoline prices increased from approximately $2.30 per gallon to $2.75, and now to $3.75, and possibly more, in 2012.

    In addition to user demand, oil speculators – who will never receive a barrel of oil, but will receive barrels of money in Commodity Futures Trading on oil – are also responsible for price increases. Oil speculation is global, thus speculators who have no intention of taking delivery may be a bigger reason for rapidly rising world oil prices then user demand because speculators add an artificial demand, and it is rising faster then user demand.

    The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (FTC) regulates oil trading, and a recently released FTC report reviewed by McClatchy newspapers revealed that “Historically, financial speculators accounted for about 30 percent of oil trading in commodity markets, while producers and end users made up about 70 percent. Today it’s almost the reverse,” (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/02/21/139521/once-again-speculators-behind.html).

    On CNN recently, oil man T Boone Pickens claimed oil speculation had little to do with price increases. But what he didn’t say was how speculation has inflated demand to the point there is more speculation than user demand. Moreover, an 3/11/2011 article in The Telegraph UK − “How a broker spent $520M in a drunken stupor and moved the global oil price,” − reported that late one night a “Mr. Perkins had single-handedly moved the global price of oil to an eight-month high during a “drunken blackout”. Prices leapt by more than $1.50 a barrel in under half an hour at around 2am.” Thus, Republicans play politics, speculators get rich, and the public gets taken.

    • DaveH

      Barney says — “In addition to user demand, oil speculators – who will never receive a barrel of oil, but will receive barrels of money in Commodity Futures Trading on oil – are also responsible for price increases. Oil speculation is global, thus speculators who have no intention of taking delivery may be a bigger reason for rapidly rising world oil prices then user demand because speculators add an artificial demand, and it is rising faster then user demand”.
      Oil speculators who trade Oil Commodity Futures are betting that the price of Oil will go up in the future, or down in the future — depending on which side of the contract they are on. Those bets can go either way depending on the future supply and demand factors. If the speculators on the buy side are wrong, they must unwind their positions and take a loss, causing oil prices to go down. At any rate the price movements caused by the speculators are by necessity only temporary.
      The long term price changes can only be caused by changes in supply and demand or by monetary manipulations of the Federal Reserve.
      Quit being led around by the nose by the Politicians and their Crony Capitatlists:
      http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/oil-speculators-are-friends

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        DaveH, excellant explanation of how spectulators affects the prices of all types of commodities and how they take the risks to either make a profit or take a loss, something the liberals just can’t seem to grasp.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002684651114 Barney Murrell

          To JeffH,

          DaveH DID NOT write what you quoted. I did. My ORIGINAL statement is reentered below:

          There is no truth whatsoever to Republican claims that President Obama is responsible for gas price increases. For years U.S. corporations have been exporting refined petroleum products and gradually raising gas and diesel prices while the amount of oil imports remained relatively stable.

          The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports that from 2005 through 2010 exports of gas, diesel fuel, and other petroleum products increased from 425,190 to 858,685 thousands of barrels per year (http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mttexus1&f=a). At the same time crude oil imports were decreasing from 3,695,971 to 3,362,856 million barrels per year, but gasoline prices increased from approximately $2.30 per gallon to $2.75, and now to $3.75, and possibly more, in 2012.

          In addition to user demand, oil speculators – who will never receive a barrel of oil, but will receive barrels of money in Commodity Futures Trading on oil – are also responsible for price increases. Oil speculation is global, thus speculators who have no intention of taking delivery may be a bigger reason for rapidly rising world oil prices then user demand because speculators add an artificial demand, and it is rising faster then user demand.

          The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (FTC) regulates oil trading, and a recently released FTC report reviewed by McClatchy newspapers revealed that “Historically, financial speculators accounted for about 30 percent of oil trading in commodity markets, while producers and end users made up about 70 percent. Today it’s almost the reverse,” (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/02/21/139521/once-again-speculators-behind.html).

          On CNN recently, oil man T Boone Pickens claimed oil speculation had little to do with price increases. But what he didn’t say was how speculation has inflated demand to the point there is more speculation than user demand. Moreover, an 3/11/2011 article in The Telegraph UK − “How a broker spent $520M in a drunken stupor and moved the global oil price,” − reported that late one night a “Mr. Perkins had single-handedly moved the global price of oil to an eight-month high during a “drunken blackout”. Prices leapt by more than $1.50 a barrel in under half an hour at around 2am.” Thus, Republicans play politics, speculators get rich, and the public gets taken.

  • DaveH

    Ranger says “I still remember back in the early 60′s when I was teaching science, and I was able to purchase a hand-held calculator at the bargain price of $49. It was about 7 X 4 inches in size and about an inch thick, and ran on the power of 2 AAA batteries. Today, they cost maybe $2-$3 dollars at the most, are the size of a credit card, and are powered by tiny photovoltaic panels. Don’t you think it would be exactly the same with alternative energy sources?”.
    It might be, Ranger, if we had Free Markets where the consumers decide what to spend their money on and what to avoid. The example you used is a great example of Free Market goods where Government kept relatively out of the way. With Big Government we get self-serving Politicians making those decisions, so we have Solyndra, Sunpower, and other Government boondoggles.
    But Progressives don’t like people making free choices. They much prefer the Force of Big Government to Voluntary Markets. They know better than the rest of us. Right.
    Of course, one might ask — If the Progressives are so superior, then why do countries with the Biggest Governments regularly have worse economies than those with the Smallest Governments?
    http://heritage.org/index/ranking
    And History is littered with the bodies of failed Progressive countries.

  • jopa

    DaveH: I was just curious so I did a little checking and the hand held calculators didn’t come out until 1969.I believe Texas Instruments just started doing R&D on them in 1965.What made me think of it was , I didn’t remember anyone using calculators (hand held) in school back in the sixties.

    • DaveH

      Yeah, the earliest I can remember is the Bowmar Brain that came out sometime near the early 70s and had less functionality than we can get for less than $10 these days. For some reason the Government has relatively stayed out of the way of the Computer Industry, at least until the Microsoft shakedown. And the results have been spectacular innovations and cheap prices.

  • Mad-Max

    Listen to all the smart people on this site. You know it all but your country is falling apart. Is this the best you can do is talk about it. Where is your plan to fix it? Complaining is not a plan. where is your backbone? When are you going to do something about besides talk and making snide remarks. You should be ashamed to call yourself an America. Then you should be ashamed to be an American. Do you really stand for anything? This is what I stand for:

    FIGHT THE CAUSE – NOT THE SYMPTOM
    Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org ) – Don’t believe everything you hear, it’s bad for you.

    Now show me yours -

    • DaveH

      It’s called Education, Max. All the revolutions in the world won’t do any good if the people aren’t educated enough to know what’s best for them.
      The Pen is Mightier than the Sword.

  • http://www.facebook.com/renojimS James E. Smith

    let me know more info. so i can pass it along.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Why do any of you bother responding to Flashy. I no longer bother reading any of his/her posts because it will prove to be an exercise in futility. To Flashy: Get Lost!! I suggest that the rest of you ignore his posts and/or his responses to your posts. Don’t you realize that arguing with idiots is a total waste of time?

    • DaveH

      I can’t speak for others, but I do not expect to change him. I don’t believe he wants to be changed. I believe he is merely spreading misinformation so that he and his cohorts can continue to take advantage of people who are too ignorant of matters political to know that fact.
      But to let him spread his poison unchallenged would be a mistake, because there are many out there who don’t have the education to know that he’s spreading misinformation. Progressives have succeeded largely because many of us have not been willing to put up with their adolescent manipulative techniques long enough to put them in their place. It’s really not hard to demonstrate to people that Progressives are just a self-serving cancer on America, but if we don’t make the effort, ignorant people will buy into their sweet-sounding Lies.

  • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

    Obama is not the president of the United States of America, he is a puppet for the corporate entity that is owned by the IMF that also owns all of the District of Columbia and the assets of the Treasury of the United States. There is no real federal government as there hasn’t been a properly elected president since the second term of Woodrow Wilson. My point is simple, if the people would re-seat the senate with properly elected Senators elected by the state legislatures and not directly by the people as required by the Constitution of The United States of America then the senate, which is charged with counting the electoral votes to determine who is president and who is vice president, then we could take the power away from this foreign corporation and begin to implement sound economic policies. The sixteenth amendment was probably never ratified by three quarters of the states and the seventeenth amendment was never ratified by three quarters of the states and the seventeen amendment is in violation of section 3 of the Constitution which states “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one vote.” Section 4 states, “The Times, Places, and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof: but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.” There would first have to be an amendment to the constitution to change the location of Chusing the Senators in order for the seventeenth amendment to be valid even if it was ratified.
    Once we get the foreign corporate monkey off of our backs by demanding “quo warranto” then we will be able to tell the federal non government where to go and how we will conduct private business.

    • DaveH

      We’ve got to quit blaming Banks and Corporations for doing what the Politicians are doing. Sure the Crony Capitalists work to get their favorites Crony Politicians elected, but the Politicians are where the buck stops. We need to focus on electing Politicians who truly represent the people rather than their Cronies.
      One big effort we should all be making is to elect Candidates who truly want to get Government out of our Marketplaces. The only easy way Politicians can aid their Crony Capitalists is by Intervention in our Marketplace, whether by favorable regulations, subsidies, quotas, tariffs, or any other form of Protectionism. If we simple get them out of our Marketplaces, we can stop that.
      For Free Markets, Limited Government, Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE that comes with them — Vote Libertarian!
      http://libertarianparty.org/

  • DaveH

    I want to show you how the MSM works their magic on the financially illiterate public. Read this sycophantic puff piece about the stock “rally”:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stocks-correction-coming-not-again-213213500.html
    “This Energizer Bunny of a rally”?
    Are they kidding? The only thing energized in this equation is the Federal Reserve and its prolific creation of excess dollars. When the Federal Reserve creates more of its unbacked dollars, the rest of our money is worth less. The people who get the newly created dollars benefit at the rest of our expense, because they can now use them to buy scarce goods in the economy which drives up the prices for the rest of us, the biggest losers being those furthest away (financially) from the original recipients of that new money — especially people on fixed incomes or those who have large fiat money savings.
    The last time the Dow Jones Industrials were over 13,000 was on April 28, 2008 — 13,058.
    So its now at 13,232, a measly 1% increase in those 4 years.
    Silver was at $16.94 on April 28, 2008. It’s now at $32.27, a 90% increase in those 4 years.
    Gold was at $890.50 on April 28, 2008. It’s now at $1658, an 86% increase in those 4 years.
    Why is that? Because the dollar is worth much less now compared to other goods, so it takes nearly twice as many dollars to buy the same amount of silver, or gold, or stocks. In other words — In REAL dollars, the Dow is worth much less now than it was 4 years ago.

    • DaveH

      In 1929 the Dow was at the peak of 381 points (and that was a bubble price).
      Our population was over 130 million people.
      Now we have about 320 million people and the Dow is over 13,000.
      Have our businesses grown to 34 times their size in 1929? Of course not, the dollar has simply lost a tremendous amount of its purchasing power.
      Even using the Governments inflation calculator (which is surely understated) a 1929 dollar would have bought what it takes $13.31 to buy now.

  • Scott Spencer

    Not sure how this is going to solve our energy needs being that we are in an open market. The fact that we have oil and natural gas that can be pumped out of our soil in no way means it is sold to US consumers. From an employment, need for resources, military/security and taxation point of view I believe we should drill from here. BUT..if the employment is going to be positive for only a small percentage of people in the state with minimal taxation but large amount of eco damage all the while profiting a corporation; in the end still is sold to China this sounds like a propaganda piece using partial truths to motivate a direction.

  • James

    Increasing our oil production wouldn’t necessarily lower the price of gasoline. We are not a dictatorship, oil producers are free to sell their oil any place in the world. If you were an oil driller, and could sell your oil for a greater profit in a foreign country than here at home, what would you do? Would you sell your oil here to drive the price of oil down, and settle for less profit?

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