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The Nazification Of America

March 2, 2011 by  

The Nazification Of America

Two recent news items indicate the Nazification of America continues apace.

First, a report in The Daily broke the news that the Department of Homeland Security plans to begin testing portable DNA scanners this summer.

The device resembles a desktop printer and will make genetic tests common and affordable.

“This can be done in real time, with no technical expertise,” Richard Selden, the executive chairman of NetBio, the company that devised the scanners, told The Daily. That’s perfect for use by the morons, simpletons and thieves DHS hires as its field agents.

It cuts the cost of a DNA test from $500 to under $100, making it so affordable that everyone can be forced to contribute DNA to the government’s database. It can analyze and record DNA from a drop of saliva. Just think how handy such a machine would have been for Hitler’s SS as a tool to help identify the “undesirable” Jews that needed to be shipped off to the gas chambers.

It will certainly make it easy for the regime to identify its undesirables—especially those who are genetically inferior and therefore deserve to be denied healthcare treatment once Obamacare rationing starts or those believed to be a “threat.”

The second item is equally distressing and, in fact, could be used in conjunction with DNA screening. That is the coming DHS-backed Real ID Act national identification card.

When first introduced in the aftermath of 9/11 and under the recommendation of the 9/11 commission, most States resisted.  But now the issue is back and it’s set to go into effect on May 11 unless Congress stops it or the States continue to resist through nullification.

 According to a Feb. 17 FoxNews story, “The law… creates a national security standard for state-issued identification cards to be used for purposes like boarding airplanes and entering federal buildings.”

Used together, the DNA database and the national ID card would ensure the Federal government knows who you are and where you are at all times. The ramifications of this are enormous.

Big Brother government would be able to track you through Federal checkpoints at Federal courthouses and through encounters with Transportation Security Administration agents at airports and train and bus stations and through the DHS FAST program and other law enforcement personnel and any time you present you ID to “authorities” to make a purchase.

Just think of a government that can decide whether you are a desirable member of society, whether you possess blood or organs that a more desirable person could use, or whether you pose some sort of threat based on your genetic code.

It’s a program Adolf Hitler would love.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • K. D. M.

    It may not be long before the FED requires you to have a camera in every room of your home to make damn sure they know what you are doing and saying. Put full body scaners at the front and or back door to make sure you don’t leave home with a weapon or a bomb. The FED will tell you when to get up, when to eat, when to work, when to sleep, when to watch TV (is allowed) and when to take a crap. They will have every detail planned out for each day and you have to follow what they say exactly.

    • Uncle Chunks

      That’s nice.

      Then I won’t have to think at all.

      Bring it on!

      • DaveH

        What do you mean “then”?

    • louie

      They’ll only get my DNA after I have killed as many of them as I can before they kill me! i.e., from my dead body!!!

      • Alex

        OK, its a deal.

      • skip

        The sooner the better for your last promise!

        • JC

          I take it that Alex and Skip are all for the enslavement of America?
          At least they seem to be…

          • DaveH

            And these are the people that feign concern for the citizens’ welfare.
            It sure isn’t hard to expose them for what they really are.

          • JC

            What they really are Dave, is a bunch of cowards.

          • Kate8

            DaveH and JC – Alex and Skip will be operating the DNA scanners.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, not in my house.

      • Chris

        Louie: Are you Charlton Heston reincarnated??????

        • JC

          Maybe he’s one of the original Revolutionaries that helped create this country…reincarnated. God knows we could use more of them!

      • http://none dave buslknkl

        yeah louie, now you’re talkin’! give ‘em a reason to suspect us!! give ‘em a reason to spend all this useless money, OUR money, in order to lobotomize us and finger our penises (there might be a sliver bomb in there). bring it on, big brother!! i would love to finger your penis back, and see what it feels like!

        time for Civil War II in America! yeah, wouldn’t that be nice! lets destroy the entire american infrastructure, looking for those sliver bombs in men’s penises!!

    • ed

      See the old Tv series The Prisoner with Patrick Goohan

      • Jean

        More like fahrenheit 451

        • Carol

          Sorry, but it’s like “1984″, just a lot later.

      • Kinetic1

        That’s McGoohan. Great show.

        • Harold Olsen

          Hated it. The new version was even worse.

    • Munday/TX

      if you can find them, watch the old series of Max Head Room. Its amazing how real it is now that time has passed. Maybe the powers that be watched it and said thats a good idea…

      • Kate8

        Munday – Lindsey Williams, who worked under the world elite as chaplain for an oil pipeline project, is now giving information about what the elite are doing. Much of it was gotten from a deathbed confession of one of them.

        Anyway, he says that the elites have one “ethical” condition for what they do, and that is that they MUST tell us, in advance, of what they plan to do. They have many ways of doing this, and one of them is through Hollywood.

        • soldier

          Ethical? Would I think it ethical if a rapist were to leave cryptic and confusing notices, where by if I am smart enough, I can eventually figure out that my wife is going to be raped? No, this would just add to how crazy and evil the bastard is. The elite are defientely @#@#% up indivdiuals. Its all that in-breeding.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Munday/TX Ever see the Truman Show?

        • Linda

          I found 10 episodes of the Prisoner on hulu.com but nothing for Max Head Room.

    • http://LibertyAlert Bud

      Why are we spending billions at airports. Not one terrorist has been caught at an airport. We need to focus on our borders.

      • DaveH

        It isn’t terrorists or illegal aliens that are ruining our country. It is Big Government. They are now spending over 40% of our GDP. Government doesn’t create wealth, Government consumes wealth.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Wow for once I agree with you DaveH.

          And I will add that it is specifically our foreign policies and our interference in other sovereign nations that have made us insecure. Our long time support of dictators, our overthrowing of democratically elected govts we don’t like, our covert activities, our political assassinations and our sales of weapons to both sides of conflicts these are all responsible for our current terrorism problems.

          If we believe in the free market system then we should allow it to be free and we should just pay the price of commodities instead of always trying to control them with the largest and most expensive police force the world has ever seen.

          Our military industrial budget is larger than almost all nations military budgets combined and what has it gotten us but more insecurity and massive deficits.

          • Kinetic1

            Agreed. It’s worth taking a look at Michael Scheuer’s new book on BinLaden. When you think about it, many Americans are screaming about their fears that the Muslims are trying to do exactly what we have been doing in their countries for decades.

          • Kate8

            Kinetic – It’s not really the American people who’ve been doing this. We’ve been brainwashed to view it in one way or another, but the American people are by and large horrified by wars and foreign intervention.

            The real control has come from the world elite, who’ve been using the American military to do their bidding by pulling the strings of our government.

            I’m just getting tired of getting bad rap for things that we’ve had no control over. We can only hope that enough people will see what’s been going on and refuse to play anymore.

          • DaveH

            Dang. Eric and Kinetic agree with me. Something must be wrong in my thinking, lol.
            I think this article explains it pretty well:
            http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/12/sociopathic-politician.html

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            And now Mr. Perfect, Nobummer is trying to get the U.S. involved in a no fly zone over Libyia, even though the fighters are asking the U.S to stay out!!

      • independant thinker

        “Why are we spending billions at airports. Not one terrorist has been caught at an airport.”

        While I am sure we would hear about it for months if they did manage to catch one that is not the primary purpose of the scanners and gropings. The real purpose is to condition the people to such actions as commonplace and acceptable then continualy expand it until all aspects of your life is under the thumb of the government.

      • JC

        Sorry Bud, but “security” isn’t about catching terrorists or securing our borders (Arizona?)…it’s a training exercise to turn us all into compliant sheep and pave the way fro the NWO, or a One World Government of International Banksters (Rothscilds etal;)however you want to call it…
        It is NOT about security which is why we should be seething mad about it.

        • Dan az

          JC
          Next they will be asking for permission slips.They have the guards in place with their strip search’s.So maybe they will put up the fences soon to keep us all in!

          • JC

            My gut reaction is to quit travelling by air or rail. But isn’t that exactly what they are trying to accomplish? To restrict our mobility, freedom of speech, right to arms etc.

            I’m always reminded of that infamous line from the movies:

            “Your Papers Please”

      • Harold Olsen

        Why should they focus on the border? If they did that they might actually catch some terrorists and they don’t really want to do that. The only “terrorists” they want to catch are patriotic American citizens who believe in the U. S. Constitution and want it enforced.

        • JC

          Exactly. The NWO crowd is definately terrified of the American Patriot. Why else are they attacking American values and trying to disarm us?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Harold,
          Besides if they DID catch a terrorist, they might have to do something to a muslim and that might piss the boss off!!

          • JC

            Or maybe they would just go with the
            Terrorist Catch and Release Program
            you know, to ensure a good turnout next year….

          • Dan az

            I’ll have to go with that one it makes perfect since.

      • JJ

        “A Nation Divided can not stand” How better to divide a Nation (the greatest Nation bar none) than to fill it with immigrants, who want it brought down. Thin out the citizens so they can’t stand together against their combined numbers. It’s not only the boarders of the US & Mexico, there are thousands coming here from the Middel East to help bring us to their way of thinking. With the help and blessing of our Administration. All immigration to the US should have been stopped long ago.

    • Mike in MI

      K.D.M. -
      Good grief! I just thought about something that was reported on in one of these threads a few months ago:
      If I remember correctly there was a genetic research report from a team out in a Washington or Oregon university system. Most of us thought at the time it was real funny because it sort of made official what most of us who comment here already knew to be true.
      The essence of their study concluded that liberalism is a mental disorder and it is based on a genetic mutation/defect. Remember?
      So…if someone like Obama and his Progressive pals are able to get their way and institute these dragnet DNA scans…guess what they’re going to weed-in and weed-out.
      Oh, yea. Didn’t Mr. Livingston say they would use it when you need to do some official business, wanted to buy or sell something or maybe just use their sidewalks? It would probably be a simple progression to decree that you must have a certain genetic complement IN ORDER to buy/sell, etc.
      Any doubt………..if they get their way?
      NAW, THAT’S JUST TOO WIERD!!…?

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – OMG. Do you suppose that’s what Scripture means when it talks about the “mark” and God’s people being “sealed”?

        Could that liberal component be, in fact, the “mark”?

        Or something very much like that.

        • Mike in MI

          K88 -
          I quit trying to tell God His business and what He should do about the Devil’s intentions – years ago. I only know His Word says He has promised to take care of my needs, my health and keep us in perfect peace as we continue to love Him with the love He gave us when He created His gift of His spirit inside, study His magnificent Word and help any who want to know something I’m qualified to teach.
          Just as an aside – over the years it’s been really interesting to see how believing seems to run in families. I’ve often wondered if there is a genetic component to it? Why does He call it The Family of God?

          • Kate8

            Mike in MI – I wasn’t asking you for confirmation. It was just a thought!

            Obviously, God wanted us to have this knowledge or He wouldn’t have written it down and commanded us to understand and keep watch. He knew that some people would have “ears to hear” and most wouldn’t. Also, he said these things would reveal to us in the last days. HE WANTS US TO KNOW. Having this knowledge will help empower and protect us.

            Yes, I believe that there is more to being God’s people than indoctrination. I believe it is encoded in our DNA. I have held God in my heart since I was old enough to have thoughts, even though I completely rejected church, even as a small child.

            I believe that DNA is, among other things, an antenna, which connects us to our Creator (and to one another), transmitting and receiving communion. “The power is in the blood”. And Jacob’s ladder – angels ascending and descending, carrying messages back and forth.

            In the same vein, a person’s being can be affected by simply having a sample of that person’s DNA. Think spells and such. But also, this has long been used in the homeopathic arena. I worked with a doctor who kept a drop of his patients’ blood, so if they became ill, they could phone him and he’d use the sample to diagnose and treat. It never failed to work.

            As weird as this sounds, it is science, and the PTB are well aware of this and are making use of it. The implications of possessing everyone’s DNA in a database are far more expansive and nefarious than most people have any idea. If you’ve ever had blood drawn, you are probably already in there. They’ve been collecting samples from newborns for a long time, before they leave the hospital.

          • Vicki

            Though an interesting idea it seems unlikely that God would pre program some people with DNA to fail and be condemned to hell. God gave us free-will so that we could choose to follow or not. Setting up some to fail (I.E. not have the free will to choose to follow) is not logical.

            Now if this were an MMORPG (Massivly Mulitiplayer online role playing game) we could say that those with the liberal DNA are NPCs and that would make sense for God to have pre programmed them. Thus they would not go to hell because they never had a choice.

          • Kate8

            Vicki – Just more food for thought.

            “The sins of the father are visited on the children unto the third and fourth generations.”

            You know as well as I that not everyone gets to make a choice based on an equal footing. We believe the way we are raised to believe, and what our experiences reinforce.

            I don’t try to second-guess God. I trust that He is righteous and just. And since all life proceeds from Himself, I’m sure He has it worked out.

        • independant thinker

          I suppose that is possible Kate8. I always thought of it as the national identification card myself but what if the two ideas were combined. Incorporate your DNA information into the card.

          • Kate8

            Independent – It’s all speculation at this point, but I suppose we will know soon enough.

          • Mike in MI

            Indie -
            Once they’ve got a part of you they can gin up a holograph of the entire you, anywhere, anytime, compare you to their database and find you anywhere – short of being hid by God.
            But if they do decide to put a chip in you they can find you by satellite like finding your personal DirecTV receiver or GPS.

        • Mike in MI

          K88 -
          They can have all my blood they want for whatever purpose they can conjure up. I know that no weapon devised can prevail against anyone standing in and depending on God’s ability. If not, I’d have been dead long ago. Several times over. That’s probably true of many of the great folks who come here.
          You’re a great lady, Katie.

          • Kate8

            They won’t be putting any chip in me.

        • Harold Olsen

          That was my thought, too.

    • herman richardson

      Ever read 1984??

    • kodster5

      You just described George Orwell’s “1984″. Suggest you either read the book, or watch the movie, with John Hurt starring. You’d be surprised at just how close we are to the situation in the movie.

  • Infidel

    This is another intrusion that we now know about!Will it be for or
    against America?

  • Julius Spencer

    “Over my dead body”.

    • Alex

      OK, its a deal, any other choices?

      • JC

        Crawl back under your rock you Communist low life.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Alex.
        Without posters like you, the people wouldn’t know just how creepy the Liberals really are.

    • http://wwwroyaltoypoodle.com maxi

      I don’t think over yours or anyone elses dead body will be a problem. I think push come to shove there won’t be any choices. Let’s hope it does not come to that. the Bible said it will and I believe God knows best. Read revelation 13 onward till you get the point.

      • Aix Sponsa

        All religious doctrine should be proven without the controversial “Revelation”. If you can’t prove it by the OT and NT, then it is not viable. Christ is not coming 3 times. Only ONCE more, as HE himself said in red letters. So we can expect that IF this is the end times, that things will get really-really bad BEFORE he comes.

        • independant thinker

          Aix, Revelation is accepted as part of the New Testament. The red letters are put in the Bible by man to make it easier to identify God’s or Christ’s actual words.

        • Vicki

          The problem with prophecy is that you prove it by surviving it.

      • Mike in MI

        maxi -
        You could be righter than you know about this dead body business. I think the pushing and shoving is going to be done by forces outside of any human agency’s control.
        We live in a temperate clime; but that doesn’t mean that the weather is always temperate, now, does it? Our municipalities are almost universally running deficits thanks to weather related stuff. I wonder where those eastern cities are going to stand after this winter season?
        What if next winter is as bad or worse – maybe a few ice storms, followed by frigid cold after taking out the electrical grid for a week or so? Is Obama going to require mounting plow blades on Chevy Volts when the present plows wear out? Or, will we run the plows on the methane he and the his herd of czars discharge? Where’s the money going to be to fix bridges and roads after the spring run-off? I’ll bet that’ll be good for economic recovery.
        Oh well, Obama sees it as good…money taken away from Conservative’s causes, election efforts and mobility (sort of reverse community organizin’).

  • Harry

    Sounds to me like the only people that have a terrible fear truly live in Washington D.C.. These masters of disasters create more toys to keep the boogy man in line at tax payer expense then in any other U.N. occupied country. Its time to have them pay their own bills for this kind of protection if they fear so much, just like us regular main street folks. We don’t need to protect anyone if they only did the job they were hired to do and not steal from the taxpayer. Can anyone say…THIEVES? COWARDS? We have been used as their human shields for long enough. Expose all these rats for who they are and get rid of them when its time to vote.

    • Joe Gettum

      Look at Illinois. They seem to be producing the worst folks for politicians in the entire union. Oh, did I say Union! I meant United States.

      • skip

        I agree about Wisconsin politicians – their governor is closest thing to a Mussolini we have yet seen, but it seems he has lots of friends in high places urging him on

        • JC

          As opposed to say, the Democrat weasel cowards who ran off to hide in a Bar?

          • eddie47d

            They “ran off” to a hotel to protect the rights of the American worker. Those who labor in this nation have taken a beating by those in power.Whether by free trade advocates or government officials putting the squeeze on them. You should be more than happy that these Democrats have the courage to stand up for the rights of all workers. It won’t be long before everyone’s job will be in jeopardy. If wealthy elites, hand in hand with State officials can take away something that has been earned. We will all be in trouble especially under false pretenses if a Governor can use “collective Bargaining” as an excuse to render contracts as void.

          • JeffH

            “They “ran off” to a hotel to protect the rights of the American worker.

            eddie knows all to well that cowards run and hide. If these Democrats weren’t such cowards and believed in protecting the “public unions” they would have come forward and fought rather than slink off and hide out. Now that’s protection you can depend on. Isn’t there a political process to be used by elected officials when they dissagree? I’ll bet the voters remember who the “cowards” are and who stood tall in the fight, and it sure wasn’t the Democrats.

          • eddie47d

            When you are being hoodwinked by a Governor then other methods need to be used. If they would have stayed the workers voice would have been lost forever. They made the right decision at this time and maybe the next time the Governor will be more cooperative and be willing to offer a more honest synopsis instead of hiding behind his pals.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            March 2, 2011 at 10:03 am
            They “ran off” to a hotel to protect the rights of the American worker.

            Um no, they ran off to protect their political careers so as not to look unAmerican when under the spotlight.
            And Unions do not represent the “American Worker” they represent themselves and their system of political thuggery.

          • eddie47d

            Unions definitely represent the American worker and all the positive inroads that have been made for the safety and treatment for those workers. Which includes you if you really care. As I have said many times not all companies need unions and that is terrific but the concept is still valid for many jobs. The workers of America who give back the right to bargain will cause all workers to take a hit.

          • JC

            Unions do NOT represent “THE” American worker. You are making way too much of yourselves, wrapping your communist butts in the American Flag and all.
            Unions represent “some” American workers who unfortunately do not have either the opportunity or the innovation to think and do for themselves. So they group up like a herd and think collectively like “The Borg” and lash out like frightened children at anyone who dares question their legitimacy.
            There was a time when they had a point to make…now they are a political entity concerned only with themselves…at everyone else’s expense.
            I find them just as appalling as the overpriced CEO who does nothing productive for a living.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d writes:
            “When you are being hoodwinked by a Governor then other methods need to be used.”

            Hmmmm…. Ends justify the means. Where else have we seen this philosophy?

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “Unions definitely represent the American worker and all the positive inroads that have been made for the safety and treatment for those workers.”

            Workers needed no union to accomplish those lofty goals. When first formed in the private sector they were groups of people banding together. The people could have quit and started their own company. Which of course they did. The company “union XXX” where they had a board and leaders and income and loss (no profits though) and they then used intimidation and actual violence against workers of another company. The one they used to work for before they “went on strike” thus quitting.

            Unions became the equivalent of a protection racket. You pay my employees (union members) whatever they want or something may happen to your company.

            Proof in how workers who wanted to work were demonized (scabs) intimidated or even attacked.

            http://mises.org/daily/1604

            Had those nice people formed a company to compete with their former company and not used intimidation and violence they would have been better off by far and so would the consumer.

            Had unions NOT employed violence (ends justify the means?) they would not have been so hated by the people.

            Unions are not now nor ever were necessary. They have always been a blight on the free markets of the world.

          • eddie47d

            The free markets of the world are seldom FREE and there is always a catch no matter what the product. Are you so blind Vickie to not see the gimmicks they use to sell their products.You’ve been watching too many rosy commercials in how honest a company is and how they will save the day. Even unions don’t have any control over a companies lack of integrity. These workers have enough on their plate without having to worry what goes on in the backrooms of the boardroom. Although it would be a good idea to put a couple of union members in on all those meetings. Someone needs to keep those “free market” people in line.

          • JC

            Union members in the board rooms?
            Talk about the fox watching the henhouse.
            Hey eddie, maybe we need “block captains” too?
            They were in existence in Germany in the 30′s and 40′s
            and belonged to a union that called themselves the Nazi’s. ;)
            And how about surveillance inside our homes?
            With “union” technicians to run it of course.

            Boy! Unions can solve ANYthing!

          • eddie47d

            Well our free market capitalists have certainly dropped the ball so what are your solutions instead of your Nazi rants.

          • JC

            eddie, free market capitalism has not existed in the US since at least 1913. What you are railing about is Corporatism or Economic Fascism manipulated by the Fed and its pals in Government.

            But “Free Market Capitalism’ It aint!

          • vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “The free markets of the world are seldom FREE and there is always a catch no matter what the product.”

            So? At least in a free market we get a choice. It’s called competition. With government we don’t.

            eddie47d: “Are you so blind Vickie to not see the gimmicks they use to sell their products.”

            poorly veiled ad hominem attack. I win the debate.

            For ameusement I will note that those “evil” businesses don’t put a gun to my head and force me to buy their gimmicks. Regrettably Obamacare will place a gun to my head and force me to by “government approved” insurance.

            Or for liberals, government will arrest you at gunpoint and throw you in jail for years for daring to grow your own herbs if they are not government approved herbs. And this is government edict from over 50 years ago. Not the newest laws from the FDA.

        • Julie

          Don’t you clearly understand that Governor Scott Walker is trying to do the wise thing in Wisconsin. He is not an example of Mussolini–get your head out of the sand! Those union employees will still have their jobs, their health care benefits, their pensions. In this economy that is a wonderful thing to be thankful for. The problem is that too many people have a sense of entitlement–namely big labor unions. Many of them are as corrupt as the politicians they’re in bed with! If your a pro-union individual, I suggest you take a good long look at the history of Richard Trumpka, head of the AFL-CIO. Then, talk to me about Mussolini!! Governor Walker is an example of what more politicians should be doing. If all of the states that are heading toward bankruptcy don’t cut back now, and I do mean now people in the United States are going to be much worse off than they can comprehend. One monumental problem with Americans is that we are not used to sacrificing, well, the time has come for all of us to realize we have to cut back individually as well as nationally if we want to continue to survive in this great nation!

        • http://LibertyAlert Bud

          Gov. Walker is correct. The unions for government employees are protected by civel service. They should be prohibited from collective bargaining or find another job.

          • http://Unions Warlord X

            Historically, unions may be correctly credited with many labor practices that, today, we take for granted. However, public unions, do not, can not, contribute to a ‘bottom line’ as private manufacturing and labor unions can and most often do. Even then, we’ve allowed unions to usurp much of the power of its’ members. In my opinion, no union, but particularly government-oriented unions, should be allowed to make any political use of its’ members’ dues, i.e., campaign contributions, or other political support, not including educational meetings for its’ members regarding political issues. Since government workers, teachers, etc. are covered by civil service and merit rules, collective bargaining for benefits is unnecessary and counter productive. If the job is unsatisfactory, they will always have the same option as the rest of us: find another job.

            Any politician who avoids, or shirks, their duty to appear in the Legislature during scheduled sessions should by summarily recalled and dismissed. And the cowards in Wisconsin should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty. Apparently they failed to understand the election results.

            I am ashamed of the demonstrators in Wisconsin; it is human nature not to accept losses gracefully, but in this case, where the government is in dire financial straights, asking the employees to contribute to their own retirement and health care as the rest of us do, is the only program that makes sense. As for the union members, they are more willing to accept lay offs, because as senior members, it won’t affect most of them. Disingenuous at best.

        • DaveH

          So, if somebody keeps your Liberal hands out of our wallets, skip, he’s a Dictator?

          • eddie47d

            Julie; I’m for Gov. Walker trying to balance the budget yet he has made it a union busting issue. That has made several of you very giddy!He has made collective bargaining his scapegoat when it is almost a non issue. Since the teachers have made concessions it only proves Walker is on a vendetta and may not be fit to govern. When workers rights are threatened it effects all those who work. This is going to give government even more power to control what you earn and how much they can take away from your paycheck. He can break contracts with the stroke of a pen and in this case tell Wisconsin employees you don’t deserve what you work for and earned.Government intrusion may be coming to a job near you. Governor Walker overplayed his hand by being dishonest about his ultimate ambition and who is behind his agenda. He can be fair about the budget for that is part of his duty but not by being underhanded.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – I think the only answer you’ll get on that one is…crickets.

          • DaveH

            Put down the bottle, Eddie, I’m DaveH.

          • eddie47d

            I was talking to Julie ,Dave H. so maybe you are the one who needs to put down the bottle. Whatever that means?

          • DaveH

            Then why did you reply to my comment? Duh.

          • eddie47d

            I replied under Julie so just get over yourself. Not everything is about you Dave H.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          skip… At least he hasn’t left the state and avoiding his duties!

          • Harold Olsen

            Only Democrats do that. When Republicans come up with ideas and legislation the Democrats don’t like and they do not have valid arguments against it, they either scream racism or they run and hide like the sniveling immature, whining crybaby children they are. They just keep giving me reason to NEVER EVER vote for a Democrat at ANY level of government. As an Independent, I probably should vote for people of either party, but the Democrats just keep giving me reasons NOT to vote for them.

        • Aix Sponsa

          Are you one of those semi-illiterate union people who make $80,000 a year while being incompetent, and you can’t be fired?

        • Firefly

          The union leaders are pouring millions into Wisconsin to defeat anyone who will curtail their power to harness the taxpayer. It is not hard working members of the unions but their bosses who force states to collect as much as eight thousand million dollars a year from union worker paychecks so that the union bosses can live in luxury and control who gets elected senator and sometimes even president. Less than 12% of Americans are members of unions so they certainly don’t represent everyone. Once the unions start to riot like they have in Greece and elsewhere all will see the truth but it will be to late then to save the nation. Some states have lost a great deal of their population in the past decade. Many of those who are upper middle class have moved out of New Jersey, and New York has lost a million taxpayers in the past decade who have left the country or moved to right-to-work states where the lack of unions has kept property taxes as much as one fourteenth what they are in some NE states and one tenth of what they are in Illinois. Of course I’ve heard our president wants to force unions even on the free states and make it the same everywhere. Congress has already destroyed the manufacturing in this country and millions of even union jobs have been lost to those in Mexico and China and India. In some southern and southwestern states you can buy a house for what the tax alone would be in NY, Connecticut, New Jersey, Illinois, etc. Unions used to be a good idea but when so-called public servants decide they are the masters and the stupid taxpayers are the servants then you have the problem which we now have. Already union salaries and benefits far exceed the poor “smucks” who have to be taxed to pay for it all. If the union bosses push hard enough they might even convince millions not to pay their taxes at all and then that would be the end of the story because states can’t just print money like the U.S. Treasury is doing. Some say we have only two years left, others think we may have five years, but you had better not be living in a major city when the rioting and looting and burning begins. I’ve read in Army Times that there are tens of thousands of troops being trained to try to get things under control when the riots finally begin in earnest. Who do you think brings food to stores all over the country? Unions! No wonder some people are building up emergency food supplies. “Oh, no! It could never happen here!” say some but one of the President’s people said over FIVE YEARS AGO that nothing could stop it – nothing on earth – and that was over FIVE YEARS AGO. Forget about the arguing here and start preparing. The few socialists here will never be convinced, even when it all happens they will still be blaming Bush or Clinton, Obama or the new president. I suspect most here are already preparing. If they are not they will go hungry regardless of whether they are Democrats or Republicans, Communists or Socialists, Libertarians or Independents, believers or atheists.

    • 45caliber

      Harry:

      I think you may be right. They fear everyone else. Take guns, for instance. They aren’t really concerned about the criminals with them since they don’t want to have the federal gun laws enforced against them. They fear the common citizen. And ALL of the anti-gun people carry a gun themselves or have armed guards 24/7.

  • Nellie

    We have too believe that with all this mess and the march on the Whitehouse on the 3 rd this will show the American people just who and what Obama is doing. I can’t wait too see him bow too the Muslims and the reply of the American people.
    The first time I saw Obama on TV, I was praying and my body got cold and goose bumps and the my thoughts were “this man is another Hitler”. GOD BLESS OUR COUNTRY!

    • skip

      The Nazis were the last nation to outlaw the unions, guys. You have about a thimbleful of knowledge of history.

      • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

        Skip, no one is outlawing unions. I don’t know where you get that from? Public employees should never have been allowed to unionize in the first place. Private employees have every right to unionize but don’t choose to do so when they live in state with right to work laws.

        • Harold Olsen

          Just what good are unions??? I belong to SEIU. What good has it done me? They promised lower union dues. They’ve tripled. They promised better benefits. We lost benefits. Our healthcare plan costs 40% more under SEIU. We get NO input for contract negotiations and there are no union meetings. The only time I hear from the union is at election time when they want me to support Obama’s Nazi agenda. Just what good are unions???

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Harold
            For your and your familys sake, I pray they don’t find out what you just said!!

        • skip

          Take a look at what Kasich and Ohio did today. You’d better keep up with news. Won’t even allow police to ask for bulletproof vests! No, guys, you are watching the end of America as it was intended to be. We’ve sold out to the Koch brothers – no need for further elections – just install them in the White House straightaway and save the cost of the electoral process. They know what is right for us – as someone said in this blogosphere, we will be their farm aphids and they and their fellow travellers will take and have what they want. There will be no middle class – just aphids and the likes of the Kochs. And with no working class and no middle class, there will be no America and certainly no democracy. Koch/Kadaffi/Ahmedinejad know how to run a good country – and what have they in common???? Control of oil resources. It won’t be long before the Kochs join al Quaeda.

      • Ted Crawford

        Speaking of thimbles full, you might want to look at the whole history of Hitler and the unions Skip. Hitler first pandered to the unions, giving them everything they asked for. Once he felt he was firmly in control, largely because of the union efforts, they became too demanding. They finally asked that May Day become a union holiday. One day Hitler granted that request and the next he disbanded them!
        Sound anything like what we are seeing today?!

        • vicki
          • skip

            Vickie – it looks like you stopped reading that citation where the propaganda stopped. The responses that followed were quite a bit more rational – read them. The working class in Hitler’s Germany really took a hammering. Do you really believe that the CEO’s of huge companies give a hoot about their workers – they have had no problem exporting jobs to wherever while they hold massive cash reserves and profits, and are they putting them to good use here? Not in the least. You are hoping for a nation where the average worker makes what the average Chinese or Indian or Vietnamese worker gets, where the the pollution of the rivers and countryside looks like China’s ruined 7 rivers, where the air from the Koch brother’s refineries will put Beijing to shame. Be careful what you wish for – you are going to get 1848, or worse, if you keep it up. Are you in the upper 2% income-wise – please tell us, because otherwise you have a death wish.

          • vicki

            skip says:
            “Vickie – it looks like you stopped reading that citation where the propaganda stopped.”

            Argument to ridicule.

            Skip: “The responses that followed were quite a bit more rational – read them.”

            Argument to ridicule.

            Skip: “The working class………. because otherwise you have a death wish.”

            All argument to ridicule. No cite no assertions. No useful points. And attempts to falsely claim what I want. Watch the videos I have posted to other of your comments.

      • JC

        Unions don’t need to be outlawed, they need to be kept at bey.
        They seem to have forgotten that THEY work for US!

        • Dan az

          JC
          What?You mean like the government?Yea like thats going to happen.

          • JC

            I see you know ecactly what I mean Dan.
            Between the Fed and the entrenched “unionized” bureaucracy, the idea of voting or a democracy is a complete joke.
            I’ll bet Stalin is rolling in his grave at the simple genious of it all.

      • DaveH

        Who said anything about outlawing unions. We just want the laws enforced against them. If people want to join a union and bargain collectively, then fine.
        But it’s not fine if they coerce people to join their union.
        It’s not fine if they harass people who want to take the jobs that they are spurning.
        It’s not fine if they harass customers.
        That’s all we want — for the government to enforce the existing laws against anybody who trespasses on the bodies or property of others.

        • Kate8

          DaveH – Very well put. If the Lefty’s can’t understand that…

        • Vic

          Outlaw unions? Unions are outlawed a long time ago, unions are criminal according to 15 U.S.C. §§ 1, what’s going on in WI and any threat of strike is criminal pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968. Unions are mafia.

          It’s just that our government refuses to enforce the law. The same way they are refusing to enforce immigration law that is in the books.

          There’s got to be an amendment to the Constitution saying that refusal to enforce the law that does not carry court injunction, when such enforcement requested by citizens, constitutes a dereliction of duty and should result in an immediate removal from office.

        • eddie47d

          Dear old Dave; There are plenty of people on this site who want to ban unions. So that all sounds rather condescending from you.I also think Governor Walkers real intentions are now known and that puts him more in parallel with that other fellow that was mentioned. (A. H. )He’s just sneaking his methods through the back door. JC likes to say unions work or him but that doesn’t mean those worker become his doormat. JC seems to want power over them that he really isn’t entitled to.If unions have a contract then those contracts should be respected until the next negotiations. A contract means nothing if someone can come along and tear it up like Gov. Walker is doing.

          • JC

            eddie, you totally miss my point. But then you are a little dense.
            I don’t want “power” over anybody. I also don`t want anyone having power over me or my family, or my property, or my natural rights.
            When the Teacher`s Union returns to teaching instead of indoctrinating
            I might have some respect for them again. I thank God my kids graduated long ago and we taught them more at home than they learned at school.
            I also don`t think my government has the right to pick my pockets to save companied “too big to fail”. What a bunch of bullsh*t that is and guess what? Some guy tightening lug nuts is getting more in wages and benefits than a Master Electrician who is out on his own.

            Sorry, but the whole Union thing has run its course. It’s just a bunch of out of control communist who are as greedy as the CEO’s they complain about.

          • JeffH

            A contract also means nothing when there is no money to support it. Where is the line drawn when there is no money to pay the bloated pensions? The taxpayer funded pension payments have passed the point of sustainability.

            This is the Democrats and Obama’s personal union, the SEIU, demand from the politicians they’ve invested tens of millions into for their special favors in the bankrupt state of California and other states they’ve buried their teeth in.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G285gAEsZF4 – SEIU bullies California
            The camera focuses on an official of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), California’s largest public-employee union, sitting in a legislative chamber and speaking into a microphone. “We helped to get you into office, and we got a good memory,” she says matter-of-factly to the elected officials outside the shot. “Come November, if you don’t back our program, we’ll get you out of office.’

            The video has become a sensation among California taxpayer groups for its vivid depiction of the audacious power that public-sector unions wield in their state. The unions’ political triumphs have molded a California in which government workers thrive at the expense of a struggling private sector. The state’s public school teachers are the highest-paid in the nation. Its prison guards can easily earn six-figure salaries. State workers routinely retire at 55 with pensions higher than their base pay for most of their working life. Meanwhile, what was once the most prosperous state now suffers from an unemployment rate far steeper than the nation’s and a flood of firms and jobs escaping high taxes and stifling regulations. This toxic combination—high public-sector employee costs and sagging economic fortunes—has produced recurring budget crises in Sacramento and in virtually every municipality in the state.

            California seems so far gone that I don’t know that any politician or group of politicians can bring it back. As long as the unions have the power to vote in politicians who then turn around and pay them back by giving them benefits that bankrupt the state nothing can change. Pensions and salaries are in place and there seems to be nothing that can scale them back.

          • DaveH

            If arguing against force is condescending, Eddie, then I am proud to condescend you.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; As usual you are so obsessed with canning unions you can’t see the forest through the trees.If the Chamber of Commerce has the power to vote (influence) politicians. Who then turn around and pay them back and giving them benefits that bankrupt a company or helps them send jobs overseas. There are alot of groups,unions,companies that influence what goes on in this country. Unions are not giving themselves big pay raises like Corporate CEO’s have been doing. The workers in Wisconsin are willing to give back for the good of the state.But CEO’s seldom give back for the good of their own company. Who is selfish and greedy?

          • JC

            Both

          • JeffH

            Gee whiz eddie, how did the Chamber of Commerce get in the picture…particularly in California, which was what I was posting about. Stick to my post ya big dummy!
            Did you watch the video? Did you see what the SEIU representative said? Do you even care? Do you even understand what I posted?
            Obviously not…again. You’re just rambling on eddie.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; You seem to think the unions influence everything but since the Chamber has influences of their own they do change election results. You always fail to realize there are two sides to a coin and your opinions reflect that. I’ve admitted that unions aren’t perfect but you bury your head in the sand and cover up the misdeeds of groups like the Chamber. Your comments are always far more derogatory (Nazi,commie,Marxists) than anything I can lay out. Some of you Can debate the union issue without the slick comparisons but you Choose not to.

      • vicki

        skip says:
        “The Nazis were the last nation to outlaw the unions, guys. You have about a thimbleful of knowledge of history.”

        You appear to have less then a thimble full of knowledge about history. Anyone with a thimbleful would know that Hitler doubled down on unions.

        Now unlike your proof by bald assertion I shall offer evidence of mine. This little blue text that follows is called a cite. It is a reference to support my assertion. You might consider using them from time to time.

        http://thegraph.com/2011/02/hitler-didnt-outlaw-unions-as-a-national-socialist-he-went-double-down-on-them/

        • Dan az

          Come to think about it viki I dont ever remember seeing a cite posted by them,That might be because it would require facts.Nah thats just not right.

  • http://n/a John Beach

    “genetically inferior??” The guy is a black and white half-breed himself, although you can’t tell by looking. If looks are all that count, why not profile and forget the cost and discriminating capabilities of DNA machines? If it looks like a duck……it could be a goose, that’s true!

    • karolyn

      What does anyone being a “half-breed” have to do with anything?

      • RUDY

        that would indicate that he himself is “genetically inferior”. He is not “pure” anything, other than BS that is! However, it makes him even MORE like Hitler. Hitler was short, ugly, with dark hair and brown eyes. What he was attempting to create was the “perfect” individuals, with blonde hair and blue eyes. Gotta love it, only the truly insane seem to make it to the top, and right now we got the top two in the ring, obama and that nut in libya, who is saying all his people LOVE him, just like HERE! HA! If we survive this, it will be God’s own miracle!

        • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

          My wife and daughters say I am genetically inferior since I’m a male? Does that mean they could get a job working for homeland security?

        • karolyn

          Woah! Using a term like “genetically inferior” makes YOU a Nazi! That, and a throwback to the “old days.” How old ARE you anyway?

          • JC

            I think you missed the irony of the question.

        • 45caliber

          And the way he wanted to create that “perfect” race was to take women who met his description and force them to mate with men who were similiar. No marriage, no choice. Just have kids until you died. And the kids were to be raised by the state as well – not the parents.

          • flyguy

            .45 — You are right on the money with this one.
            Semper Fi

      • Kate8

        karolyn – for all the elite’s do to encourage the blending of races amongst the herd, they are very strict about keeping their own bloodlines pure.

        I believe Obama was an intentional creation, bred for the purpose he is now fulfilling. What could be better than to have someone who’s been thoroughly trained, indoctrinated and groomed to follow the NWO, and is able to appeal to all racial groups, especially those of a liberal mindset.

        I also believe that he is just a tool, a frontman. He will be the figurehead of the NWO, but he is only a puppet. Exactly what they want.

        • eddie47d

          Kate 8: Which elites are trying to keep their bloodlines pure? That is mostly Conservatives who believe in that philosophy. Obama’s mixed race hardly qualifies him for being a leader for racial purity. Since the article is about Nazification I don’t believe Hitler would have allowed Obama to even take his first breath unless he would have been useful in his labor camps.

          • Kate8

            eddie – Obama is not truly one of the elites. These are those who comprise the House of Rothschild, who conside their bloodlines to be royalty. This does include the European royalty. And yes, they do intend to keep their bloodlines pure.

            As I said, Obama is only a created tool. I doubt if he has any real place in their final utopia.

            Just as an aside, eddie, do think it was God’s intent that all races blend to create a single race? That we be all the same? Is there something wrong with us wanting to maintain our individuality and differences?

            Why do the elites want us to be all the same? Is this not the reason God destroyed the Tower of Babel that Nimrod, the original NWO elite, tried to construct the same way, by making everyone the same?

            Having divergent races and cultures acts as a sort of checks and balances. Even in the insect and animal species you have numerous varieties, and they are not inclined to merge with one another. It is their nature.

            I have no problem with intermarrying, but if one chooses not to, that doesn’t make him a racist.

    • bob wire

      So should we warn Navratilova ?

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    they can kiss my grits.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      ok Flo! Sorry couldn’t resist!!!

  • Francis2

    The technology if accurate would be great if used to catch criminals.

    People are quick to want everything banned or made illegal like firearms. Severely punishing the law breakers would be a better solution.

    • karolyn

      Actually, a uniform identification card would hopefully eliminate the need to get your birth certificate and social security card evey time you wanted to apply for a job.

      • RUDY

        Interesting, we need all the information in the world to get a job where we were BORN, but the interloper in the white house STILL refuses to show a REAL birth certificate. Guess in due course he will reveal that he wasn’t even born on earth, but the little people on the ships in the sky brought him as a gift! V – please come GET HIM!

      • JC

        That’s pretty sad Karolyn. Obviously the indoctrination process has worked well on you.
        Personally I am not Inventory.

        • eddie47d

          Either are union members.

          • JC

            They are to the Union leaders.

      • libertytrain

        By law we are currently required to have a birth certificate; social security card; or passport; green card; – a couple forms of ID to present to our employer, and they in turn fill in a form (I-9) that is put in your file. Problem is if this system hasn’t kept illegals from employment – why would a national I.D. card work – and why do you have to keep getting birth certificates and SS cards – that makes no sense unless you discard them at every job application process? You certainly don’t give them to employers?

      • 45caliber

        karolyn:

        It is plain that you are part of the system in every way. I feel sorry for you. Sometimes, when you aren’t too busy of course, you might want to try thinking for yourself once in a while. I know that is hard work but you might be surprised at the results.

      • DaveH

        If man can create identification, Karolyn, man can copy identification.
        Where are those Liberals who threw the big fuss about Arizona asking for IDs?
        It is not in the list of Constitutional powers for the Federal Government to issue IDs. How many more violations of the Constitution are we going to allow these lawbreakers?
        It amazes me how many people turn a blind eye to Government stepping on laws, and then wonder why so many citizens are following their bad example.
        It’s time for the citizens to wake up and realize what Big Government is really all about — the self-interest of the leaders and their cronys.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        I was born in 1949, when government was half the size it is now. The people I knew in the 50s and 60s were at least as happy as they are now. Why do we need twice as much Government now?

        • Mike in MI

          DaeH – Why do we need twice as much…?
          Well, there have been a lot more Karolyns born since Ted Kennedy grew to age and started polluting the gene pool.

        • skip

          And why do we now have the interstate highway system, jet planes, i-pods, electric roll up windows in our cars, powerful antibiotics, cures for cancer, television, reasonably safe hospitals, no more typhoid, pasteurized milk, and the web that can support this blog with satellites launched into space – all as a result of government programs, taxpayer supported. Start making the list of what you want and don’t want in your new world order free of regulations and taxes. Like it or not, the government is us, and before you decide to take it all down and let the giant corporations run us, think carefully. You seem to be asking for the law of the jungle or the genocide of the American Indian all over again, or slavery, or workhouses and sweatshops for our children. Is there anything you can think of that government did good or in your interest? Education, health, man on the moon, traffic control – are they worth nothing in your scheme of things? Don’t pay taxes, Vickie, but don’t ask for a molecule of what government programs have done for our nation and society. Sure, it has sponsored or supported some horrible stuff along the way as well including wiping out the indians, backing away from slavery on the late side, denying women the vote, prohibition, waging not a small number of unwarranted wars for no gain and a lot of loss of blood and treasure.

          • vicki

            I read your VERY long list and decided to respond with a video to help you understand that we do want government. Small, controlled government. One that could help from time to time but would not constantly be in the way.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

          • vicki

            Skip writes:
            “Like it or not, the government is us, and before you decide to take it all down and let the giant corporations run us, think carefully.”

            I have. And will again. Ignoring for the moment that many think that giant corporations run us already, Please explain how one of the biggest corporations of its time fell to a little company with a fruity name?

            Please explain how giant corporations can possibly run us without government force? For instance regulations that make it difficult to start a small business but large businesses simply accept cause it will damage / destroy competition.

            Warning. Facts ahead.
            http://smb.turcott.com/articles/138390/small-businesss-problem-with-government-regulation/

            To partially quote a past president. “Government IS the problem”

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Karolyn… We are losing our rights! Come out of your coma!

      • True Born

        karolyn,

        “If you choose to receive the mark of the beast it will be placed on your forehead or on your right hand.”

        http://www.markbeast.com/mark/bible-mark-beast.htm

        Where will you choose?

        “The beast is Satan. But he will appear on earth as a powerful, awesome being. He will claim that he is God. This will happen very soon.”

        “A few months after the beast comes to earth he will attempt to force every person on earth to receive the mark of the beast. He will make a law requiring every person to receive the mark of the beast and there will be stiff penalties to anyone who refuses. This law will apply to every person in every country on earth.”

        Well, this “ancient prophecy” is about to be fulfilled. The “Obamessiah” is bringing it to fruition, and no one is standing up to prevent it. Unable to work, buy or sell without a government mandated ID (“MARK”)??

        Be very afraid people of the US. Once this happens I will be unable to visit my remaining family in the US, but then even that is preferable to the alternative.

        • Kate8

          True – Like you said, the mark will be all over the world. Where are you that you feel safe?

          There are some countries, like India, where chipping has been going on for some time already.

      • JeffH

        …that’s kinda funny…I carry my drivers license and my original SS card in my wallet and have a copy of my birth certificate in my files at home…I don’t need, want or believe any other form of ID is necessary.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        karolyn,
        If people weren’t so disorganized, they would have a safe place for both and then the only time they would have to get one is in case of fire or natural disaster! I have my original SSAN card I got when I was fifteen and my original birth certificate!! I keep them in a small fireproof safe that is also water proof! My dad gave me the original BC when I got married. i have my original discharge and even my dads as well!!

    • Ted Crawford

      “You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it would convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and theharms it would cause if improperly administered” Lyndon Johnson (D) Texas

      • Warlord X

        Too bad LBJ didn’t really believe and act on that.

    • 45caliber

      If we severely punish the ones we catch now, we wouldn’t need to catch them in the future using DNA.

    • DaveH

      Catch criminals? Don’t we have enough people in prison already?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States#Comparison_with_other_countries

      • Aix Sponsa

        That depends on what you are saying. You think that the prison population is too large, or are you saying that there are too many crimnals in the United States?

        If it is the second, then what do you think we should do, give them awards on TV instead?

        What do you think caused the high criminal rates in the USA? Being oppressed by whites? “Coloreds” not given enough free money by the upper class whites?

        What we should be asking ourselves is, why has the great liberal social experiment begun in the 60s been such an utter failure?

        Where is honor, integrity, decency, manners, and morals in 2011?
        Why do so many people think about the “innocent 50s”?

        When the Italian Mafia ruled the cities, at least the women could walk the street without fear of being mugged and raped. Who is safe from today’s drug gangs?

        • Mike in MI

          Aix -
          muggers and rapists…why?

        • Kate8

          Aix – Amazing, isn’t it. Compared to today, back then was paradise.

          • DaveH

            And that with half the government we have today. I would think that people would start wondering. But then, I obviously think wrong.

        • Warlord X

          The prison population consists of close to 10% of our population!!! We imprison more people per capita than any other nation. Why? The ridiculous, counter productive, ‘War against Drugs’ that imprisons non-violent drug-possessors, instantly creating an ‘underclass’ that will never be allowed to reach their full personal or economic potential, the bulk of which are ethnic minorities. All of this despite study after study of the drug war’s ineffectiveness and expense. Shame on the stupidity and perfidy of the Federal government.

          • Kate8

            If we hadn’t allowed our moral compass to be corrupted we wouldn’t even have such a problem with drugs.

          • JC

            The War on Drugs is as phony and inneffective as was the Prohibition on Alcohol. It’s there to make some people “feel” like their governement is actually doing something about their safety. They aren’t. But they are enjoying the empowerment of being able to build a political powerhouse of tax and spend controls on a “war” they never intend to win anyway. How would they justify all that taxation if there was no “War on Drugs”?

          • DaveH

            And here’s the bottom line:
            http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/graphs/25.htm

            Yet, the Government still subsidizes tobacco. What a joke. Wake up American Citizens. You are being used.

          • Firefly

            But it creates a lot of union jobs!

        • DaveH

          Just as the Prohibition brought us the Mafia, the Drug Wars have brought us the Drug Lords. Good Grief, are we doomed to repeat history forever?

          • Kate8

            DaveH – That seems to be the way of things.

            As long as we have greed and lust for power, there will be those who will figure out how to control and exploit. It’s part of living in duality.

            Ancient esotericism teaches that as the wheel goes ’round, there are a few who evolve enough to get off this wheel at the end of each cycle and move on to a higher dimension. The rest gets destroyed and it all begins again.

          • Aix Sponsa

            The mafia was around a long time before the alcohol wars. In most cases the Italian mafia was a response to the Irish gangs that were piledging the American cities. Check out real history, not the revisionist stuff or the movies.

          • Aix Sponsa

            When the gang wars were happening in Chicago and NYC, who was fighting whom? Irish against Italians.

          • JC

            Sponsa…I don’t buy that at all. Sounds like your making this up as you go. Maybe provide references which should be easy enough.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    another act against the american people.

  • TIME

    People I can say this a thousand ways but the single most easy method is this. The Ruling Class in the DC Belt Way, are coming for YOU.
    Room 101 anyone?

    Please keep in mind “you have all” let this happen. This is not new its been going on for over 100 years now. So as we round the end game and some of you wake up. Thats good I am happy to see so many wake up.

    So now what will you do about it?
    What ever you say, don’t tell me GOD will fix it.

    Thats as mindless as the mess we now face. GOD gave you all “FREE WILL and a bloody Brain” Use them or DIE a SLAVE.

    Your choice.

    • skip

      The so-called “ruling class in Washington” is not the politicians, it is Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Insurance, and their fellow travellers/lobbyists. And they have bought the Supreme Court, most of the governorships, and most of the House of Representatives. It is big money that rules – the workplace, your credit card debt, your health care premiums, your car’s gas mileage, the price of gas, and yes, unfortunately, most of our government. Step back and take stock of what your particular concerns are and who/what is really responsible for your concerns. Yep, if you aren’t careful, you will be farming aphids, but not working for the government, but rather for big money interests. Ask AIG whether they want to maintain your highways or take care of your garbage pickup or your fire protection. Then ask yourself who does this now – as best I can tell it us citizens, since were should be and hopefully are the government.

      • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

        So where does the money come from to keep Democrats elected? From unions and from their own special interests groups. There are a lot of big businesses that support democratic causes and elections.

        • Jeep

          Wall Street donated more than two-to-one, in terms of dollars, to Oman during the last presidential election. Imagine that…hmmm.

        • DaveH
          • JeffH

            DaveH, you’re the third person this past week to post that link, and not once has a liberal made any comment or acknowledged the donor figures presented…I’m not surprised, are you?

          • DaveH

            It makes one wonder, doesn’t it Jeff? They are supposedly so down on the Rich people, yet they look away when the evidence is that the Dems support the Rich.

          • DaveH

            As Hitler said:
            “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think”

          • JeffH

            DaveH, your last comment pretty well covers it.

      • Al Sieber

        You’re right skip, there are 99.9% of us and only 0.1% of them “The Global Elite” and the Money Changers, and we are the Govt.. we out number them 99.9- 0.1, so why can’t we win?

        • JC

          We will win. :)

          • Al Sieber

            I know, JC.

        • DaveH

          Because there are too many people feeding at the trough, and too many public school propaganda victims.

        • Kate8

          Al – The more we the people are waking up, in every way, the more desperate the elites are to control us. They know that once we realize the power we actually have, they will no longer be able to conrol our minds, so they are coming at us from every angle to insure that we don’t get that capability.

          God has already everything we need to be empowered. It’s just that, this information has intentionally been kept from us. “Satan” always tries to conterfeit the workings of God by using technology, but it is never as powerful as the real thing. Once we realize how powerful we actually are, (by activating our “junk” DNA strands), the game is over.

          I wonder if they can read the DNA to see who is operating from the “dumbed down” double helix, and who has fired up the remaining strands?

      • Ted Crawford

        Skip if you were suffering from a Heart problem would you go to a Nuclear Physicist or a Cardiologist? AIG or any other Corporation has their area of concern, which only includes limited involvement in infastructure. The Government has its area of responsibility, which should include limited involvement in business.
        Our current problem is that this administration believes itself to be wisest in both areas, and is therefore doing poorly in both!

      • DaveH

        And why is that, Skip? Can a corporation force you to buy their products or services? Can a corporation forcefully stop people from competing against them? Only Government can do those things. And yet you Liberals keep growing them bigger.
        As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

      • Carlucci

        They are all in bed with each other, dummy. Everybody with a brain knows that. Pull your head out.

        • Carlucci

          P.S. I was talking to Skip.

    • bob wire

      we are all slaves to something, so there again , it a personal choice but death is eminent with any choice.

      A wealthy man is a slave to his wealth,

      a poor man his needs

      it’s a common fate of those who breaths

      • Kate8

        bob wire – You never cease to amaze me! Well said!

      • TIME

        Bob,

        In some ways you are correct but only to those that think in a box.
        Some day You will find that what true wealth is a simple thing called Freedom.
        Freedom from intervention, freedom from being told what to do and when to do it, and to whom you do it for.

        But that takes something thats not often found anylonger, it takes a person who is not afraid to fail, a person who see’s a goal and chips away until the goal is in their grasp. A person with CONVICTION.
        A person who stands alone when no one can see what they see.

        A person with Strenght to stand when the odds are stacked against them.

        Thats what TRUE WEALTH is, no person is a slave to that, they are only FREE with no ties to a common bond nor following the pack like a sheep.

        Thus a Poor man who has these traits has wealth beyond money.

        Thus Death has no hold on them either.

        Thus Money is not wealth to a rich man who has the strenght to be Free.

        So as you see your format has its flaws as its not only bound in failure, it also the mind set of a slave rather than an independat thinking person.

        Open the BOX GOD gave you and see beyond the moment.

        • Mike in MI

          TIME, That’s just majestic, that’s all. You’re a wonderful guy. Thanks for sharing a little bit of your great big heart, again.

          • JeffH

            Mike in MI, gotta ditto your comment and thank you for recognizing and having the courage to say it. You’re a good man also.

          • Mike in MI

            Thanks, JeffH, I appreciate your notes all the time and your integrity.

    • libertytrain

      TIME – what do you suggest people do?

      • TIME

        Liberty,

        The world as we know it is very near its end, many of us will not survive the coming events. Thats why all of you who understand that “FREEDOM and FREE Thinking” is a GOD given right to all men.

        Be ready to serve when your card is punched. Have strenght, Have courage to stand alone even when the odds are so great that you know you will not surive.
        STAND, for only the TRUTH, as it is the only light, it is the only path. Have faith that you can move mountains when the call comes.
        The time when the SONS of LIGHT V the SON’s of Darkness.
        Choose the path you will follow.

        • libertytrain

          Intuitively speaking, I believe I have always known that.

        • Kate8

          TIME – I would add to that, ponder, meditate and pray that God will open our hearts to embrace and embody His Divine, Infinite LOVE, above ALL ESLE. THAT is what will save us. When we can resonate with His LOVE, we will have NOTHING IN COMMON WITH EVIL, and it can’t touch us. “No weapons formed against you shall prosper.” “Though a thousand fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, it shall not come nigh thee.”

          And, for the Love of God, WE MUST STOP HOLDING THE VISION OF THE NWO. We must create and hold a new vision, one of the world WE WANT. We underestimate the power in this. It takes discipline in this sea of media mind-control, but we MUST do it. This is our most powerful weapon.

          Remember, the greatest commandment is LOVE. Yet, we’ve been brushing over it as if it were a simple platitude.

          • Kate8

            BTW, LOVE is not just a flowery concept. It is the only True Power, as it is the force of LIFE itself.

          • Kate8

            It’s time for some hope. This will uplift your day:

            http://evolutionezine.com/a-better-world/

        • JeffH

          Thanks TIME and Kate8.

          • eddie47d

            Yes Kate that is a beautiful video. Yes it is God’s world and he put us on this earth to be caretakers of that beauty. Keeping those beautiful places is a fight worth having and that is why I side with those who protect our surroundings and not those who willfully abuse it. If a Corporation needs God’s resources to make our life better then that is what it’s there for also. But he better leave it as he found it or restore it to some semblance to it’s former environment. Thanks for sharing.

    • Teresa
  • Al Sieber

    Yeah, and what are the “politicians” who supposedly represent us gonna do about it, let it happen? probably. we’ve let them get away with too much and deserve what we get.

    • RUDY

      …PROBABLY???

      • Al Sieber

        Sorry, most definitely according to their track record.

        • Dan az

          Hey Al
          I’m with you they already killed again, when they got released and the troops just cant figure out why the catch an release is going on when so many of our own are dying trying to bring them back alive.Looks like the policies in the field needs adjusting one in the head two in the chest.

  • Mark

    Well, while I disagree about the DNA database, if the government had done its job on immigration, the ID card would not be needed. Control the borders, know who is in the country, the ID card would be a moot point. Enforce the laws of this country, and punish the law breakers, severely.

    • bob wire

      Good point ! but if a pig had wings it would fly.

      • RUDY

        If the govt had done its job on immigration, we would have a completely different PRESIDENT! We would have a REAL one, one who is AMERICAN and cares about the AMERICAN PEOPLE!

    • DaveH

      When is it going to dawn on you people that the illegals are just a distraction from the real problem — Big Government? Like a magician who distracts your attention with one hand while doing the trick with the other.
      Big Government spends over 40% of our country’s production (twice that of 1950). And you want them to spend more?
      Agreed, nobody should be allowed to break the law. But first and foremost we need to reign in the biggest law breakers of the land — The Federal Government. They regularly step all over the Constitution.
      We need to insist that they roll back all their Unconstitutional agencies, power, and spending.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – You are right. In fact, all of these issues are a distraction, meant to keep us busy chasing windmills while the elites continue to build their system structure.

        It’s like having a major disease, and throwing one medication after another at symptoms, never addressing the real problem, and all the while creating new problems from the medications.

        Eventually, the whole system fails.

      • Carlucci

        Exactly. Fedzilla is using them (illegals) just like they use the gays, blacks, women’s lib, etc., to keep everyone distracted while they continue doing the real dirty work behind the scenes.

  • http://brchoate@earthlink.com Brenda Choate

    Unless Homeland Security has a data base established for terrorist this is a waste of money. At this stage of the game, the only purpose of this new requirement would be to establish a national data base for whatever purpose they may at some future date decide to use. Let’s face it, the only useable purpose for DNA is to match to a crime scene. It is not intended as a deterent only as an identifier. Ironically, criminals can refuse a DNA test.

  • s c

    When you say Nazi, say socialist, communist, fascist and progressive in the same breath, people. They all share the same goal(s). They travel different roads, but their ‘thinkers’ dance the same horizontal mambo in the same bed.
    When you talk about Nazis, don’t forget to include unions – especially public sector unions. They use some of the same tactics, and their basic philosophies rest on the same foundation – POWER.
    NONE of those fleebaggin’ toilet-dwellers have any use for freedom. Wisconsin is suffering because of America’s Nazis. Abort the insanity now, or America endure a new generation of stormtroopers and would-be Adolfs. America will be a better, safer country without them. They’ve shown their true colors. They have no place here.

    • bob wire

      Speaking of true colors ! Why is it that you are always inflamed?

      • Kate8

        Oh bob, just when I was starting to like you, you go and say something like that.

        • eddie47d

          Because SC is always inflamed with extremists garbage and packaged hatred. She is a daily philosopher without any substance or soul.

          • Kate8

            eddie – Only you lefties see SC that way.

          • eddie47d

            As SC has said” you have shown your true colors”. We union members are Nazi scumbags. Back at her and all the rest of you with destructive minds.

          • Kate8

            eddie – what you would call extremist, many of us would call common sense. What one sees as extremist depends on which mindset one is coming from.

            You and your Marxist friends blaze your true colors everytime you post. Although, I have to admit, you are not as extreme as some.

        • JeffH

          Kate8, I always enjoy SC’s well thought contributions to this website and find myself not only agreeing with most of them but actually enjoying his accuracey. Seem’s the only ones inflamed from his remarks are the very ones he speaks of. Deep underlying guilt? I sure hope so!

          • Kate8

            Ditto, JeffH.

          • eddie47d

            No guilt over her rants; but you should feel it.

    • skip

      Once again, recall that Hitler’s Nazis were the last nation/government to outlaw unions! And look what wondrous things they did for the world and humanity. From the tone of some of the comments on this blog site, I would guess that a good lot of you would consider him a hero.

      • Jeep

        What part of “public sector” don’t you get? Teachers are paid by the state from taxes taken from private sector employees. Teachers, as an example, are then forced to pay union dues, which are in part “donated” to democratic candidates. Then, in return for donations these “lawmakers” give sweetheart contracts for more govt workers, who then pay union dues that are donated to dems…and on, and on…What part of that confuses you? Or, are you okay with that?

      • 45caliber

        skip:

        Just a comment. Bill Clinton once stated that Hitler was the most intelligent man born in the 20th century and that he admired him. Further, Clinton’s Goals 2000 education system was a dual author thing – one part Clinton and one part Hitler. Just thought you might like to know.

        • eddie47d

          45; Clinton did not admire Hitler. That is only on right wing threads who bring up comparisons and try and say he said that. You all do the same with Obama.

          • 45caliber

            Odd that you would say that – considering that Clinton did say it. However he also said he never had relationships with Jennifer Flowers and a number of other women too. I have an aunt that still believes that he was faithful to Hillary and that all those stories were false. You and she would get along great.

          • eddie47d

            Then I guess you’ll have to find his exact quote. Clintons affairs has nothing to do with the other “fact” if there is indeed one.

          • JeffH

            I don’t know if this will help solve the arguement or not but… Arkansas state trooper Larry Patterson who told NewsMax the inside details of the Clintons’ dislike of various groups.

            During the six years Patterson guarded the Clintons, he said their deep-seated anti-Semitism became apparent in slurs they hurled at each other. Bill Clinton also frequently told Jewish jokes.

            Patterson said that during the Clintons’ many verbal brawls “it was quite common” for both Bill and Hillary to refer to each other as “a Jew motherf—-r” or a “Jew Bastard.”

            Patterson does reveal that Bill Clinton had a deep fascination for Adolf Hitler and his book “Mein Kampf” though.

            Clinton’s interest in Hitler was not based on the fascist leader’s anti-Semitism, but the great leadership skills of Hitler, according to Patterson.

            Clinton, Patterson remembered, was intrigued that Hitler “had so much power over these people and that it had just been a short period of time since World War I where they’d been defeated, and this man had come forward and had rallied the German people.”

          • 45caliber

            JeffH:

            You are right. Actually I don’t think Clinton liked Hitler for his anti-jew ideas. He liked Hitler because he took control of all power in Germany in about ten years. I think he would like to have done the same thing in the US. When Clinton was governor of AR he instituted a short summer school for “Exceptional” children. A friend there was telling me about it. The first year everyone wanted their kid to go – until they found out the curicullum. It consisted of things such as: “all religions are a myth”, “the government is always right”, etc.

            His Goals 2000 educational system was similar. It basically was a government indoctrination program somewhat similar to Hitler’s Youth Corps.

      • DaveH

        Actually, Skip, both Nazis and Unions share a similar methodology — force and intimidation.
        Once upon a time, the philosophy of our country was voluntary contracts and freedom from force. We need to get that Freedom back.
        Vote Libertarian! We are the only political party that really understands voluntary choice and Freedom.
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • JeffH

        skippy, The Nazi’s…”They were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape, and the time has come to expose it.

        Why Are We Socialists?
        by Joseph Goebbels

        “We are socialists because we see in socialism, [that] is the union of all citizens…”

        Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our [Fatherland], and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of [German] freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the [German] people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the [Fatherland]!
        http://russp.org/nazis.html

  • Bert Cundle

    Good… I’l take my Son to the Airport & Find out if he is realy my Son!

    • bob wire

      good idea!

    • 45caliber

      You might want to think about that. A couple of years ago in a divorce, a man found that NONE of his five kids were his! It seems that his wife had a man she loved but he wasn’t a good provider like her husband was. She agreed that none of the kids were his but she needed his child support since the real father didn’t have a job. The judge actually agreed with the husband in this case. However in another, the husband was forced to pay for his “daughter” because the mother really needed the money and didn’t even know who the real father was herself. And when the man told the “daughter” she wasn’t his, the judge fined him and threatened to put him in jail for contempt of court.

      • DaveH

        I heard about that one. What is sad is that the kids, who had no choice in the matter, get caught in the middle.
        Personally, I think no person should be forced to carry another person unwillingly. Ever.

        • 45caliber

          You are right. What is really sad is that the DNA place in Houston said that about 50% of the time the child is not the husband’s. Of course, there are many cases that never go to DNA testing since the father knows the child is his. I can’t imagine being a child, growing up thinking Dad is my father and then learning that Mom lied to both of us. My brother was that way. He didn’t learn until he was in his forties that my father and his weren’t the same person.

          • Carlucci

            Yep – Wynonna Judd went through the same thing. She was led to believe that she and sis Ashley had the same dad. She only found out the truth a few years ago, and that caused all kinds of trauma and bad blood between her and her mom.

          • DaveH

            I would love my kids and treat them respectfully even if I found that they weren’t my offspring.

          • Dan az

            Dave your to easy I on the other hand have a liberal son and a conservative son and I think one of them came from the milk man!

      • True Born

        Hey 45!

        Been there, done that! I was forced to pay 144,000 for college for a child that was not mine due to a femi-nazi judge. I simply left the country and never looked back. Actually, Bill Klinton was the true reason I left, but now O’bumbler is the reason I will not return. The statute has run on the child support issue. I didn’t need a DNA, as I was type “O” and the B!TCH was type “A.” The kid was type “AB” – so where’d the “B” come from. Mattered not to the “judge!”

        They’ll take my DNA over my dead body as well.

    • DaveH

      Shame on you, Bert! Hopefully you are kidding.

      • Bert Cundle

        Perception, & Conception… Few can be SURE!!!

  • Alex

    All this nonsense about “over my dead body”, really, what BS! When it comes time you’ll bend over just like the rest of the losers in this country. Talk is cheap and its about as cheap as you can get on this board.

    • karolyn

      Amen!

    • JC

      Nope. Wrong.
      If you want to identify yourself as a loser, fine.
      I’ll stick with the Americans.

      • Kate8

        JC – I pray that, should it come to this, I will have the courage to choose death over compliance.

        • Mike in MI

          K88 -
          Just remember, girl, if that day comes and IF they do or if they don’t give you a choice about dieing there’ll be a time when YOU will hear somebody tell you,”Wake up, Katie.” The guy’s face YOU will see is somebody you never met, never saw before, never embraced…but you’ll recognize immediately because you heard about what he did for you and loved him for that. Gonna’ be a grreat party then.

        • JC

          Kate, nobody chooses death. We choose to fight for the things and people we love and protect them at the risk of our own lives…but we don’t choose death.

          • Kate8

            JC – You’re right – death is not my choice. But if I’m bound and forced to choose whether to take the MOTB or lose my Earthly vessel, I’ll choose the latter.

            Until that time I will continue to stand firm and do what I must.

            “For whosoever seeks to save his life shall lose it, and whosoever loses his life for My sake shall find it.”

      • eddie47d

        JC; Union workers are hard working Americans yet you are always on their backs too. Try being less confused.

        • JC

          I’m trying to untwist your comment but I just can’t.
          It makes no sense.

        • JC

          When Unions “organize” to preserve American Constitutional values, I will support them. As long as they are behind Teachers who’s curriculum is socialism and falsehoods….no way.

          • eddie47d

            What socialism and/ or falsehoods are they teaching?

          • JC

            It’s a subject volumes could be written about.
            the best and probably only example I could give you off the top of my head would be this.
            A Jr. High School in Oregon was engaged in a project wherein they would build a scale model of a community that the students themselves would design. (Quite an undertaking really) However when considering the design they were to take into account that no one would own any of it outright. All busineses and homes were to be considered community property. And their design would probably be effected by this criteria.

            I don’t know how successfully the project turned out, but it sure made me wonder why would “American” kids be doing a project like this anyway. We have capitalist system and a Constitutional Republic here in the US. So what the hell are these kids being “trained” to do?
            I wrote a letter to the school expressing my concerns about the teaching of communism, as most assuredly they were doing, and asking a few questions about their curriculum as it concerns teaching collectivism to kids.

            They didn’t answer.

            I have another real life example that just hit me, but I hate typing. :)

          • eddie47d

            Maybe that is the real life world to them.It could be that these kids realize that they will never have what their parents had.They have to analyze things differently knowing that they may not own their own home.Our capitalist system favors the wealthy and has weakened the Middle Class so they have to think outside the box.

          • JC

            There you go again eddie, with ridiculous references to a system of capitalism that simply doesn’t exist. And you even go further and allow that “communism” is our future and it’s OK to teach it to the kids…we’re done here.
            It’s this sort of thing that always brings me back to the same stance…lock n load, the enemy is among us.

    • libertytrain

      You are right – your talk is cheap.

      • 45caliber

        “… and its about as cheap as you can get on this board.”

    • DaveH

      That is expecially true for your comments, Alex.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Alex… Then you are not really listening! We’ll see who is talking trash when the time comes.

  • Teresa
  • Karl

    No, their end game is to insert chips into your bodies at birth. already in passports, RFID/GPS tags. Farmed aphids is all we’ll be. Bankers run this mess now.

    • DaveH

      Bankers can not force us to do anything. Only Government has been given that power (foolishly).

      • Kate8

        DaveH – Unfortunately for us, the bankers are running the government.

        • eddie47d

          Bankers are the New World Order and have far more control over us than even the government. They can make or break a nation faster than government.

          • JC

            Bravo eddie. You should make sane, articulate statements like that more often.

          • Kate8

            JC – I was thinking the same thing, but I was afraid I may have read it wrong.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            LOL! Just wait it’ll change.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            March 2, 2011 at 12:37 pm
            Bankers are the New World Order and have far more control over us than even the government. They can make or break a nation faster than government.

            _____________________________________________________________

            Now that you’ve demonstrated a knowledge of the most immediate and basic threat to America and all it stands for…
            Why aren’t you on board to restore the Republic?
            Wht are you espousing leftist views that play right into the NWO Banksters?

            How come?

        • DaveH

          That may be true, Kate, but we could defang them by putting the Government back in its Constitutional role.

    • Carlucci

      Just like introducing the assignment of social security numbers to babies born in hospitals in the 70′s and beyond. The only way to get around it was not to name the baby. About ten years ago, friends of mine did this. She and her husband did not want their baby to be “numbered” at the hospital, so they didn’t give their newborn a name. The worker bee/robot social worker came by the hospital room two or three times a day to see about the name. My friends finally told her to stop coming by as they wanted to take the baby home nameless, live with the baby for a few weeks, and then decide from a list of names they had picked out what fit the baby’s personality. The worker bee/robot social worker was having a fit. Turns out the hospital gets paid every time a ssn is assigned to a newborn.

  • bob wire

    If this device is considered 100% accurate by third party professionals and the results is not subject to interpretation by anyone, like say a lie detector, I welcome it.

    If this devise fails to met these standards, we are walking on a slippery slope.

    • True Born

      Once they have your DNA profile, then any crime can be blamed (falsely) on you. Having been in “law enforcement” and personally seen “evidence” manufactured to convict a convenient patsy, I know what abuses are possible!

      BE VERY AFRAID of an ordinary “law abiding citizen” DNA database!! It is not infallible, but with MILLIONS of profiles on file, and 1-in-a-million likelyhood of people with nearly identical DNA, then how can a “mistaken” identity be avoided? Do you have an “evil” identical twin? How will you defend against false identification as the murderer when that DNA and some circumstantial evidence “proves” to a jury you are guilty? (It has already happened – how do you appeal a death sentence that has already been carried out?)

      Once again, “OVER MY DEAD BODY!” I was LEO and military, yet no one has my DNA on file to my knowledge … and they never will! Criminals can decline a DNA test as a matter of law, yet we “ordinary citizens” will have no choice?? B#LLS#!T!!

  • Richard

    George Orwell’s “1984″ coming to pass.

    • 45caliber

      I was thinking the same thing.

      • Kate8

        Richard and 45 – And you will notice how we all have that vision of 1984 burned into our minds.

        Wasn’t Orwell part of the Illuminati? I believe that books like 1984, and movies, were intended to put these visions into our collective minds in order to facilitate their coming into being.

        This, I believe, is why they always tell us of their plans well in advance.

      • Carlucci

        Me too.

  • http://msn Kerri

    I WILL NOT TRADE MY FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR SECURITY. THESE THINGS THEY ARE DOING AND HAVE DONE AND PLAN TO DO HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH SECURITY, IT HAS TO DO WITH CONTROLING THE POPULATION. ISRIAL DOESN’T HAVE ALL THIS CRAP AND THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WHERE EVERYONE WANTS TO KILL THEM AND THEY ARE SAFER THAN WE ARE. FUNNY ISN’T IT.

    • RUDY

      The reason that Israel is still alive is because those people will FIGHT. No one here will do anything, and we have the population and arms to do it. We came into being over war, and it will take another one at this point in time to get the crap out. I said when this piece of crap came into office, as I realized I was NOT dreaming, blood is going to flow in the streets before this is over. One way or another, that is going to be the case. Either we will be fighting to regain our freedom, or we will be fighting as we go to be murdered in our own country. Thanks to the pieces of garbage in the govt who have betrayed us all, as the sniveling minority bowed and prayed. PUKE!

    • 45caliber

      I wonder if Israel would accept a non-Jew immigrant …

      • Vic

        Yes, it does accept non jewish immigrants.

      • Aix Sponsa

        yep, but that is going to be ground zero.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Aix sponsa… I don’t think so. Israel is protected by God.

          • Mike in MI

            Robin -
            Exactly right. God didn’t tell His kid that if he would take all that torture, humiliation, abuse and horror he’d be given a bunch of charred rocks to lead for 1,000 years as their Chief Shepherd, Chief Priest and King.

        • 45caliber

          Maybe so, but you are surrounded by people who are willing to fight. Here? Not so much. Too many are buying into the government falicy that they will solve all our problems – when they ARE the problem.

  • Patriot

    Here is the end game, they already have a database on desirable DNA markers, and if yours does not fit the profile you will be classified as undesirable. This could mean as far a physical, mental or characteristics that may cause health or other social problems. These undesirables will then be rounded up into labor camps or worse, we stop the madness by starting over! There are many more of us that feel free will is the basis for existence, all career politicians need to go, instead of unions and such, we all need to band together organize ourselves to take control of this mess. The political and social elitists have got to go, there is a revolution going on and it starts with You! It started this last election cycle, we still have the Constitution to guide and back us, this will take time we need to all be engaged, this is no longer a Republican or Democrat problem, they all created this mess we need to solve it. We need common folks that are willingly to run without the need for millions of dollars, come out of your homes, offices, etc. the people will rally around common sense principles with back to the basic ideas!

  • Angel

    ” once Obamacare rationing starts ”

    Oh, boy – drinking the wacky kool-aid again, are we Bobber? Either back this up with direct quotes from the law or save the attempts to scare people for Halloween.

    • JC

      Oh, it’s coming alright. You have simply chosen to ignore the reality of just how eveil your deity really is. But then, liberalism is mental disorder anymore….

      • 45caliber

        Isn’t there a name for someone who lives in a fantasy world all the time? I believe there is but I don’t remember it…

        • JC

          I think it’s “Liberal”.

        • Angel

          Don’t see too many liberals making up things about the Affordable Health Care law – that garbage just seems to happen here.

          FACTS anyone??????

          • DaveH

            Here’s a fact. It is not one of the Federal Government’s Constitutional powers to force the citizens to buy Health Care Insurance or any other product.
            Here’s another fact. Liberals regularly whine about Health Care Insurance companies. Then they turn around and advocate forcing us to buy it. Unbelievable.
            Here’s yet another fact. The majority of people in this country want the Health Care Law to be repealed.

          • 45caliber

            No one needs to make it up. It is already there.

          • JC

            Gee Angel, I guess it will have to be passed..to see what’s in it right? Oh wait it’s been passed and we know what’s in it.
            Government control of everyone’s healthcare and finances.
            Nothing Communist about that now is there? ;)

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Angel, I’ll give a instance where the Libs lied when they we’re pushing they’re case for Obamacare-They said “People were dying in the streets with out it__fact is, MEDICAID was/is STILL in Place. If people were dying in the streets with out health care coverage, then they didn’t go and get help that was needed, no one is going to do it for you!._-With that said, Obama care has passed “FOR NOW”__if so MANY people are STILL dying in the streets without healthcare coverage, what are these people going to do UNTIL the FULL coverage kicks in in 2014, wait to die after they’re covered???__They lied to pass the bill, bottom line.

          • DaveH

            This argument is certain to be decided in the Supreme Court:
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12526

    • Ted Crawford

      Angel, You might find it interesting to research the Canadian health care system. In the beginning it was marketed with the same rhetoric as The Affordable Care Act. It was “just an option to private insurance to help control costs”.
      It’s clear from the current situation involving the young child, that it has migrated very far from that stated original intent!

      • 45caliber

        Or the English system which Canada’s system and the Oblamacare system are designed after. I read a London daily paper – and every day there are articles about poor care and rationed care.

        In fact, a Canadian doctor had an article printed in Readers Digest shortly after Clinton took office. In the US even a small hospital has EKG’s installed. In Canada they have one EKG per PROVINCE (state). It must be shared between all the hospitals. Each hospital got it for a week every six months. That sounds like rationing to me.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Angel, If we want info on here, we go find it ourselves!__Your welcomed to do the same!

      • Angel

        I looked at the law – I don’t make things up.

        Show me the rationing provisions in the law. I dare ya!

        • DaveH

          How do you suppose that Health Care shortages (and there will be shortages) will be addressed?

        • DaveH
        • DaveH

          Here’s another:
          http://mises.org/daily/3586

        • Kate8

          Angel – You “looked” at the law?

          Did you peruse all how-many-thousand pages of it? Is it possible that you could have missed something?

          • Mike in MI

            No-o-o, now, K88 – She’s a LAWYER, Doncha’ know?
            She studied every page and with her perfect comprehension of legaleze she now knows how all of those 100 or so new beauracracies are going to fit together without any turf battles, ego spasms or jurisdictional conflicts. Of course, the rules on how they will conduct business are still being written (up thru 2014) but she has precognition that it will all work perfectly, (After all, The Obama is in charge and He said,”Yes, we can.”) eventually. Obama sees how they failed in England, how they failed in Canada, how they failed everywhere it’s been tried and with all those failures to learn from He’s sure He can do better.
            Furthermore, she understands economics so well she knows exactly how they can supply every Dr.’s office, every clinic, every hospital, every testing facilty, medical lab, pediatric, child, adult, geriatric and coroner’s facility from Point Barrow,AK to Naples,FL from the top of Mount Denali to the floor of Death Valley and everything in between out of ONE warehouse on the same grounds with the medical supply manufacturing plants that can produce everything they can ever need, anywhere. (Obama decides what they can ever need.)
            The only problem is going to be delivery because they haven’t got it figured out about the fuel for the cars, vans, buses, trucks, planes and helicopters they’ll need. Maybe they’ll use bikes and roller blades til Obama gets some affordable oil or wind-assisted Segues.
            They’ve already got it planned out how many accidents there will be how many medical emergencies, epidemics, surgeries, storm injuries, terrorist explosions, multiple drug resistant infections and all that sort of stuff each state can have for a population of 328,248,993 (including recently arrived illegal aliens) and bed-bug infestations with hepatitis C.
            They can do that because Bernanke knows just how fast inflation will expand and how many $1,000 bills he has to print to cover it.
            She figured all that out in one perusal of the bill and, so, can say with assurance there can not be any rationing…ever.
            BARF!!! Ag-k-k gag

          • Kate8

            Mike in MI – Thanks! I needed that. And a great piece of writing, to boot.

            I’m still laughing.

        • 45caliber

          Angel:

          You are going to have to get passed believing everything you hear or read. It is actions that make the difference, not what someone promises.

          In both England and Canada there were promises similar to what is being made now. And in both places those promises are meaningless. (Can you say, “Lies”?) There are several London papers on internet. Read one for a few days. You will see several articles a day about medical problems and rationing there. Just in the last couple of weeks I’ve seen several comments about swine flu deaths of adults, elderly, teens, and now a baby due to rationing of flu shots. One mother even tried to buy a shot for her daughter herself and was refused – her daughter died from it.

          • DaveH

            How anybody can believe that adding high-paid meddlesome middlemen, who have almost guaranteed jobs and no accountability to the healthcare recipient, will be cheaper is way beyond my level of comprehension.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Angel, Ya ever hear of “Ya get what you pay for” its the same in Healthcare coverage?!_-My Mother lived and died on US Health Care, the names either changed or it’s defundt. She was dying ( they gave her 6 weeks) and I had to fight like hell to get oxygen for her to come home with. Everything was a problem, and I had to even fight for her pain meds just before she tookher last breath___ and Sweetie__That was 15 years ago!!!___WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!__affordable healthcare IS RATIONED CARE, When are you DO GOODER libs gonna WRAP YOUR DAMNED HEADS AROUND THAT!!!!!!!???

  • Jennie

    Good grief, Skip. Are you actually defending legislators who are acting like a bunch of children who don’t want to do go to school!? You win some, you lose some; but be an adult and get over it. In the meantime, could someone please stick a sock in Skip’s mouth; or, I guess, over his keyboard?

    • Jeep

      What do you think Skip would have said if the Reps had walked out of congress during the health care debate? Somehow I don’t think he would have been so supportive…

  • jenersea

    Don’t forget the fact that they are now sending the Combat Troops and then the rest of the troops to homosexual reeducation camps for training, like no one knows what they do. So don’t think that things like this will not happen in America. So is the rest of the Federal Work Force going to be forced to undergo this training, followed by the rest of the population?

    • Jeep

      What?!? “Homosexual reeducation camps for training”?

      • JC

        I seriously have my doubts about that one.

        But if they do have them, maybe the POTUS will lead by example
        and hug a platoon of Marines or something. He likes to be on TV! ;)

  • jenersea

    They officially call it Gay Sensitivty Training.

  • Raggs

    666… the anti is working overtime!

    • Aix Sponsa

      you ain’t seen nothin yet

  • mom1954

    I THINK THIS DNA IS PART OF THE OVER ALL PLAN TO COMBINE TSA WITH HEALTHCARE. IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD HEALTHCARE YOU GO TO THE AIRPORT YOU GET FREE X-RAYS,FREE BREAST EXAM,FREE BLOOD TESTS AND IF YOU MENTION AL-QUIADA YOU GET A COLONOSCOPY TOO. NOW THATS THE WAY TO SAVE SOME TAXPAYER MONEY.

    • 45caliber

      You forgot the free massage.

      • True Born

        Free massage? Can I get a “happy ending” too! :-)

  • jopa

    Wow after reading this article I bet you got it from one of Jeffh’s pro-nazi sites.You think it would have been great for Hitler to have this machine to help in the extermination of Jews.The regulars on this site know what your saying and where your coming from but for someone to drop in for the first time and read this.I think they would haul you off to Israel and make you face Joe Lieberman.

    • 45caliber

      I’m not sure Israel would accept Joe. He tends to not support them…

  • jopa

    Jeep: The camps in question were an idea of Larry Craig but they never materialized.

    • Jeep

      Thanks. When I was in the Army I was stationed at the CMTC at Fort Polk and I was an OPFOR (Opposing Forces) soldier. We wore several different uniforms, let our hair grow out and drove or flew in soviet block type vehicles. I have a number of parachute jumps from a Polish bi-plane (the Colt). It always amazed me at the number of times I was accused of being a “UN” soldier operating near a “FEMA” camp. No matter how hard I tried to convince some people I was born in Missouri, they just wouldn’t buy it. In fact, there were a number of web sites dedicated to “exposing” the “UN presence in America” that had pics of me and some my firends. Too funny…

  • jopa

    John Beach: You are not a nice man and your son is a son of a Beach also.Thank you and have a good day.

  • http://google mike b.

    THUGS!!!! How do all of you fellow americans love this “Change”?

    • 45caliber

      Personally I don’t have a problem with the thugs – as long as I’m allowed to fight back. I suspect, however, that if you tried to fight back you’d find yourself in jail for assault or something.

  • Bob Purinton

    What the majority of Americans need to do is to get off their collective asses and start being as vocal as the VERY VOCAL minority that starts this crap.
    I remember something that came out as a conspiracy theory a few years ago. The implantation of chips, much like animals get now, for identification purposes. Since it is implanted a person would always have it on them. Readers would be mounted on the streets, buildings, and, well, most anywhere. Your movements would be monitored at all times.
    Also, probably without prior knowledge, a drop of powerful poison is included in the chip to off you if you become a problem to society or your productivity drops below your maintenance costs. Activated randomly or from a command center. Belief is that this is the “Mark of the Beast” referred to in the bible.
    I used to think it was a little far out there, but now I’m not so sure.

    • 45caliber

      I hadn’t heard of the poison bit. However new parents, particularly in wealthy families, are being encouraged to have chips planted in their new babies in case someone was to try to kidnap them. Not that I see that doing any good unless those chip readers are already all over the place …

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Good Article Bob!_ I love it when Progressives refer to us as Nazi’s too Bob. As if a Socialistic Ideology is far superior,__Eh, Riiiight!__
    The Progressives have done a great job at painting us what we’re not. With the undying support of George Soros, The Liberal News Media, which are owned and controlled by Soros & the Rothschild’s.
    It’s a proven fact, that when trying to mind control the masses, language is important. Take for instance “Teabaggers” the Liberal smart azzed term for Tea Party Members, used by the Progressives. Another example would be, Michele Malkin’s take on the, the the “14 Democratic Toddlers in Wisconsin”, that are held up at a resort, to avoid a vote. She referred to them as “Fleebaggers”, now, you see that term quoted quite frequently! I’m always amazed at the speed the Liberal sheep will fall for “the language, especially when its cynical or demoralizing to Conservatives”, and God forbid if we conservatives, do it back, that seems to be a mortal sin to them.
    I have to laugh when the the Liberals attempt to define they’re ideology by hiding behind “their” own created facts, that they are environmentalists lovers, animal lovers, want the same for the poor and the rich alike, which is socialism.,IN THE SAME FRIGGIN BREATH THEY BELIEVE IN ABORTION(kind of redundant,dontcha think?) act as if we are responsible for everyone else in the world besides ourselves and our own families, and deem the business owner as some kind of demon, because of his prospering in a business he created and paid the price for. (Correct me if I’m wrong folks, but none of us ever worked for poor men) yet the successful are demonized as the devil himself.
    The Liberals are wonderful at determining what we should do with “OUR” money. And live our lives according to them. When they’re running out of money for they’re own creation of entitlements, we’re the ones that pay for it. The Liberal do-gooder EPA and other fellow “Committees & funded organizations” at one time “was” needed, but like the Unions they’ve outgrown they’re usefulness. They’ve become so powerful & corrupt, they’ve driven industry and manufacturing off shore and the jobs with them._(Look around Liberals, one has to be blind not to see it, but wait , I get it, it’s all the Conservatives and Bushes fault?!!) it’s another thing all together if Unions are involved, the price climbs even higher. The Liberal mindset is a controlling one, if anyone’s a Nazi its the Liberals. Yeah, they’re Liberal all right, they’re also nosy,and a jealous bunch, and Liberal with everyone else’s money & life, except they’re own. Margret Thatcher once said, “Socialism works until you run out of other peoples money!”__
    Yeah_ ya see where the Liberal/Progressive in the White house is taking us, on a one way trip to hell!__So Progressives what’s next, Micro-chips?
    PROGRESSIVES A NOTE OF WARNING: if ya want sources, go find them yourself!

    • 45caliber

      Speaking of language and liberals, I’m always amazed at the liberals believing explicitly whatever some liberal politician tells them. They refuse to check what he says and denies any facts that counterdict what he has said. “But he didn’t say that!”

      I believe a man’s actions tells the truth about him, not what he says. If a man models some bill in Congress after something somewhere else, I look at what he is supposed to be modeling from. Our health care was supposedly modeled after Canada and England. Both are failed systems as far as I’m concerned. Yes, you don’t have to pay for treatment – if you can get it. Yes, your doctor visits are free – if you wait long enough to get into see him.

      But the liberals believe only the original claims. They act as if ONLY conservatives would ever consider telling a lie – and then tell one themselves in an effort to get conservatives to believe what they say.

      I believe it is partly a culture thing. I work as an engineer in the chemical business. We order and buy equipment sometimes in the multi-million dollar range. In the South, I can call up a supplier, tell them I need something, and – without any more action – will get it and they will get paid. Not only that, in many cases the supplier will add things that enhance the quality of what I order without my requiring it. When dealing with the North, we have to give all kinds of hard evidence and sign contracts – which those in the North then attempt to change so they can make more money. If you don’t specify something, they will eliminate it. Nothing is extra – and if you add something it will cost a great deal more. (And they wonder why we order primarily from Southern suppliers.) I’ve been lied to by Northern suppliers consistently and if confronted with it, they insist that “it is only business”. Not in the South it isn’t!

      • Dan az

        You to 45 every once in awhile we need some people to explain what these libs are about and both you and angel did a very good job.Thanks to both of you!

    • Dan az

      Well said Angel!!!!

  • Joseph

    Just think how handy such a machine would have been for Hitler’s SS as a tool to help identify the “undesirable” Jews that needed to be shipped off to the gas chambers.

    Bob I thought you were smarter than that ! You repeat such nonsense to make a point which i clearly do not understand. Now, put your thinking cap on: zyklon-b was an insecticide which in the 1930s was imported by US Customs to delouse Mexican migrants on our southern border. The germans were supposed to use this insecticide to both delouse clothing and barracks and then thery were supposed to use this same insecticde to asphixiate up to 1500 people to death at one time ???? Speak to a chemist and ask him what he thinks about this ??? I bet he will tell you that this is highly improbable .

    • 45caliber

      Actually it is probable. It is simply a difference in quantity. Chlorine, for example, is used by pool companies to keep your swimming pool water safe. But it is also the ingredient in “mustard gas” – which killed thousands in WWI.

  • http://none dave buslknkl

    I’ve personally known 3 people in the past year who have emigrated to Australia. Does this tell you something?

    • DaveH

      Isn’t it amazing that the former British penal colony has evolved into a country with more Economic Freedom than the US?

    • Bitter Libertarian

      If they allowed the right of self defence I’d be there tomorrow. Sadly they dont seem to respect private firearm ownership.

      • 45caliber

        I looked at going there one time. I didn’t have the education at the time. They came to the US and wanted to hire 300 school teachers – over ten thousand applied.

        But there are more than just the self-defence issues with the country. Their Labor Pary is basically union and socialist. There are also other issues. I might go to New Zealand but not Australia.

  • Kris

    Mexico is already giving all the kids 17 and younger bio-metric ID cards and then the adults get theirs. The top of the card says, “the United states of Mexico” on it. We are implementing them by may 2011! You will have no privacy at all. With these cards they can find you where ever you may be! Wake up folks, this is 1984 being put into action. NO PRIVACY FOR ANYONE! I bet the illegals will be the only free and non traceable people in America! In the deathcare bill, there is a provision that states we will all be chipped! This is a nightmare people!

    • JC

      World Net Daily reported on the Mexican Government’s recent Executive order to issue biometric ID cards to all children 17 years old and younger that will contain personal information, all ten fingerprints and an iris scan. Biometric Identification is able to store personal physical identifiers on a person (i.e., your fingerprints or images of your iris, which are unique to every individual) and have the microchip with the data placed on a card which can be scanned for verification of one’s identity.
      http://wonderfultruth.wordpress.com/2011/02/26/mexico-mandates-that-all-children-be-issued-biometric-id-cards/

    • JC

      February 18, 2011

      By Jerome R. Corsi

      Below the radar of public opinion, Mexico is beginning to implement the type of biometric national identity database that has become commonplace in the European Union to allow free transit for EU citizens to move, live and work wherever they choose within the EU, disregarding nation-of-origin and national border restrictions.

      On Jan. 19, 2011, Mexico’s President Felipe Calderon signed http://dof.gob.mx/nota_detalle.php?codigo=5174983&fecha=19/01/2011&print=true an executive order requiring within the next five years all Mexicans 17 years old and younger to have a biometric national identity card that would include a facial photograph, all ten fingerprints, and an iris scan.

  • http://com i41

    karo;yn. the reason people have a problem with this cross bred marxist muslim moron, is that when cross organisms of te same genus,all the negative behaviors and traits can come to join up. His back ground traits on his sires side is of abandoning offspring and multi breeding partners. ingrained from the stoneaged genics along with a trained beleif of women have little value,

    • Dan az

      i41
      So now I get it thats why the libs want abortion.

  • http://centurylink.com motorhome

    u see one politican say lets cut our pay any federal or state and they went there 2 serve??????this whole country has become one big ponzi sche meeee?????the gov of south carolina should have been thrown out by the people but instead they just bent over and [offensive term removed] what a country a bunch of [offensive term removed]?????hell just look at richard nixon then look n mirror??????and dick cheney is no different gave the taliban millions of dollars and they told him 2 stick pipeline when they got back there with our /his money and he told them it will be pipeline or bombs there choice and since bush cheney and saudis owned investment n twin towers and the cost 2 mitigate hazardous material would have been more than the cost of original construction what better way 2 killlllll 2 birds with one stone and not 2 mention 3500 people and the post effects of bringing down these biuld like that u talk about one world gov????????

    • 45caliber

      Sorry, I don’t “text-speak”. I could barely tell what you were trying to say.

      • JC

        Good example of the “dumbing down” of society.
        They can’t even speak English anymore.

  • Aix Sponsa

    What I find very interesting is that most people are looking for a simple, “point your finger at one person/group” type answer to the one of the present geo, political, economic, social, etc. situations.

    Just remember that anytime you are pointing at someone, that three fingers are pointing back at you.

    There is no simple answer.

    • 45caliber

      But there SHOULD be a simple answer! Just ask most liberals! And their LEADER has that answer, even if they themselves don’t know it! Just TRUST him! And we will LOVE that answer when it comes! (They even talk in capitals.)

  • ONTIME

    Socialism, nazism, fascism, communism these are failed forms of bad government that deserved to fail because the steal the natural rights of man and do away with rule of law causing enslavement and oppression of free thought. We have a decent form of government as a Republic and this under achieving attempt to ruin it’s survival and hope of giving mankind a chance for real freedom, is not the America any of us want to see…..

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Sadly I cannot find many instances of a Republic left in America. The ‘democracy’ we have been eroded to is really horrible, and simply allows the corporate Media to perpetuate facism, keeping “Divide and Conquor alive, well and thriving.

      • 45caliber

        I’ll still take it over the other types. However, I believe you are wrong about us being a democracy. In any democracy, the majority rules. The majority in the US hasn’t ruled in over fifty years now. We have an oligarchy.

  • newspooner

    When having, carrying, and using a National ID card is mandatory, all complicit governments become totally illegitimate, and anyone helping them enforce their scheme should be subject to termination.

    • 45caliber

      I don’t mind a national ID card so much. I can always throw it away or “lose” it. But a chip is another matter. I really hate trying to dig it out of myself.

      • Raggs

        .45…

        If you ever agree with getting a chip implant all of your information will be on it and in a database so digging it out of your forehead will do no good because you have already been tagged like cattle.

      • Raggs

        One more thing to add… If it is a matter of an implant or ID card with a chip in it they will do the same job, so even if you throw the card away it doesn’t matter.

  • Speak2Truth

    If I could trust Government to have only benevolent intentions towards The People of the United States and only malevolent intentions towards our enemy, I might not have so much of a problem with this. However, with the US ruled by a Communist Coup (yes, Barry still fights to prevent legal verification he can even be President), it is clear that great mischief can come of these developments.

    Unsurprisingly, any attempt to use a solid ID system to ensure only legal voters vote, and only once, or that only people legally in this country can work, is fought viciously by the same folks who happily devise schemes to track and monitor the law-abiding Citizens.

    As former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov explained, their primary task was gathering every little detail of information they could about the population, so that political will could be accurately targeted against individuals.

  • Robert L Wiltfong

    These are the things that happen when the people loose control of the government.A mix of Obama + The Clintons x the dem party = Desaster for the American people and there country. Its time too restructor this Government and let the American people take the United States back.

  • Raggs

    I have been telling people about this for over a year now and most people say ” Nah it will never happen”!.. Well guess what folks.. It has happened.
    The DHS will only start with the airlines to see how well this DNA and Real ID thing catches on and to find out how to improve it..
    After that it will be used on ALL citizens, you will not be able to buy / sell or do any other normal everyday activities without it.
    If you refuse it mandatory jail until you accept it used under the un-patriot act.. They are just going to have to catch me and then all hell will break loose.

  • northbrook

    I beleive now that unless you give permission it is not legal to obtain DNA. The ACLU should be swamped with cases to sue the government to stop this invasion of privacy by the government

    • Raggs

      Well the last time I checked ( about a week ago ) the ACLU is as far left as hitler… The only people that the people can depend on is the people..

      • eddie47d

        Another doctored video below by Jeff H. or is that Beck? I love all the inserted pages saying these folks are Marxists. That is right up your alley Jeff,bravo! Unions are involved in Columbia because our CIA actually hires goons to kill Colombian union members. That includes at the Coca Cola plant there. More union bashing by the great Jeff,..ur Beck! There is no secret that those on the American left want the Palestinians to have a State.That is something all Americans should strive for. That would take away a powerful issue from the other Arab nations. Although I believe Gaza should form their own country since they are isolated from the “other” Palestine. You know Jeff, you try hard to add fuel to the fire with these hyped up videos.Maybe you secretly love these FBI and CIA raids in the name of America.

        • JeffH

          eddie, you’ve been here how long now and you still can’t get your responses under the right post! Didn’t your mom tell you there’d be dire consequences, like crossed eyes, if you overdid “it”? Everything to you is fake eddie, unless you say it. Doctored video? There’s gold at the end of the rainbow too!

          Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • eddie47d

            More of your rambling BS Jeff. Go off topic to avoid the issue presented . Smoke and mirrors is another one of your bad habits. Go crawl back in bed with the CIA.

  • JeffH

    US Socialists & (SEIU)Union Activists Investigated By FBI for Providing Material Support to Islamic Terrorist & International Marxist Groups They Work With – video
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fact-not-beck-conspiracy-us-socialists-union-activists-investigated-by-fbi-for-providing-material-support-to-islamic-terrorist-international-marxist-groups-they-work-with/

    • Raggs

      WOW!… and to think obama is tied to the unions and the unions are tied to him. Sooner or later he is going to be seen for what he is.

      • Lisa

        In response to the person who stated it is not legal to get DNA without your permission unless your jailed.

        NOT so.

        whenever you go to the doctor,hospital etc your DNA and information is collected without your permission for the purpose of research. And that DNA and research can be shared with any aspect of the government.
        Now they cannot get your name without a supena, but they still have your DNA.

        How do I know this? I am in the medical field.

        and by the way, ever since the patriot act,

        Miranda rights are optional
        Wiring taping and reading civilian emails is even easier with little cause.
        and MEAS CORPUS,forget it.

        You might think i’m a nut job.

        But all you have to do,is get on their radar for supposedly being some sort of threat and all your rights go out the window.

        I understand some of this is for our protection, but it is being so abused these days,I can only imagine the future result of this unchecked ability of our government to collect our DNA,and spy on us for any reason if not reigned in.

        Heck being a certain religion, belonging to a certain club or participating in any sort of protest is enough to get yourself labeled a “potential threat”

        I wish I could tell you how I know this,Just try me when I say….its true.

        • lisa

          *meant to say trust me when I say its true.

        • DaveH

          The most important aspect, Lisa, is that the Patriot Act is flat out UnConstitutional. Yet, the American public has apathetically let it exist.

        • Dan az

          Lisa welcome to our world!

  • JeffH

    Socialist Mantra Hidden in Grade School Chants
    The Promise Of America Is. . . Socialism? That’s exactly what is being taught in many American public schools.

    Under the guise of teaching children to read, the seeds of Socialism are being planted within the minds of young children. Do you believe that the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States mandates the following?

    Disguised as a reading exercise, the Preamble has been turned into a five page choral project with commentary planted inside this very simple sentence.

    “The People’s basic needs must be met in a country. Needs for housing, education, transportation, and health care overseen by our government system.”

    Those are the words being chanted over and over and over by school children around the country. They are part of an educational program called Building Fluency Through Practice and Performance. This section is called ‘The Promise of America’ and it breaks down the fifty-two word single sentence that is the Preamble.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/socialist-mantra-hidden-in-grade-school-chants/

    • DaveH

      We need voucher systems NOW!

  • lisa

    As a jew this hits home with me in a dark place.

    But as a person in the medical field,with relatives in information technology,science and medicine I have another side to the story…

    this info can be used for good
    or evil…

    Here is the evil side first:
    all the things the author mentioned above.
    also
    Possible job,insurance or even immigration discrimination.(imagine being denied entrance into a job,insurance or even into this country because of your DNA it could be as common as drug test)

    Why: Because Medicare/medicaid is costing the government a whole lot of money.

    Why: because it could give insurance companies the heads up on people who are likely to suffer from certain diseases,that could cost them too much later.

    Why: So employers could illegally see if we have or are predisposed to having any mental illnesses or unfavorable traits that they do not want in an employee.

    Ok here is the good side.

    1. Identify otherwise unidentifiable human or even animal remains.

    2. Locate the perpetrator of a crime easier

    3. Help patients find out what diseases they may be predisposed for genetically and assist them in changing their lifestyle to try to prevent it.

    4. Help people find their strengths physically and mentally for any purpose for finding the right sport to play,picking the right job etc etc.

    5.Help nutritionists put you on a diet plan that is individualized for you personally for optimum health.

    6. Tailor make cosmetic and medicinal products versus a one size fits all type situation…Imagine the soap or lotion,shampoo or moisturizer that fit all your needs.

    7.Research for cures,vaccinations and tracking the evolution of our species(which could also be used for evil)

    But

    It has a moral problem I think. IT may be not only stepping all over our civil rights but completely destroying them. I can understand giving illegal immigrants caught crossing our boarders,terrorists and criminals DNA tests. But everyone? What if its not voluntary? What if it becomes as mandatory as a birth certificate or social security card. And what if that computer system that holds all that DNA information accidentally makes a mistake? Placing an innocent person at the scene of a crime and resulting in their incarceration when they weren’t even there,Because of a computer glitch? or worse, with hacking and identity theft, what if someone could still access to your DNA and use it to commit a crime,or frame you for one.

    I see the benefits, but I also the evil in it. My feelings on the subject is mixed.

    • Raggs

      Yeah I can certainly see how you would be mized up… evolution is a myth, I damm sure didn’t come from a F-in monkey!..
      You seem to agree with the marxist that “it’s best for you and your too stupid to understand” mentality… So in that form you think it’s fine for the government to hide under my bed because it benefits your judgement on my health… So here we go with obama-deathcare…

      Lisa I will say that you are a vile ( four letters that spell evil ) person. Using your grandmother as an excuse to take everything that she ever had on the basis of I know what you need B.S.

      You sicken me lady!

      • DaveH

        Raggs, Whoa. Lisa was trying to participate in the discussion and you come unglued. Settle down.
        I, for one, wasn’t aware of some of the requirements that Lisa speaks of, and I would appreciate if you wouldn’t try to silence her.

        • Raggs

          Maybe it is that I seen things as they are prehaps in the form of indoctrination or if you would have it a resonable account for something that is totally wrong to get you to accept something that otherwise you would shun… In other words she described something to us that she agrees with and she pointed out things to us that makes sence ( to her ) in the hopes of a gain of support for what she said.

          It is the oldest trick in the book and I know better than to fall for it!… Look how obama got his mangy sorry marxist ass in the white house…

          • Mike in MI

            Raggs -
            If you come back to this post it is advisable that you go read Lisa’s post in the other Personal Liberty Alerts article of this date re: how one state is thinking about dealing with immigration questions.
            Before you do dump the anger in your mind, gleaned from your wrong reading of her post there.
            I went looking for it and I didn’t get any intimation of your hurtful, unkind and uncalled for remarks.
            I’d call it worse than that but for the fact that I’ve said some pretty petty and stupid things here myself. Others, less belligerent than me corrected me. Whatever basic sense still resides in me indicated I should apologize to the one wronged.

    • libertytrain

      Lisa, I think you made some good points and I see your quandary. I think perhaps the person above me didn’t perhaps read all that you wrote.

      • Raggs

        Nope… I think that you didn’t get it?
        Read my above post and give it a little thought.

        • libertytrain

          I don’t quite understand your extreme hostility. People make comments and give their opinion.

          • Raggs

            Well I’m sorry you don’t understand but I have every right from the lord above ( not by the government ) to express my concern over an out of control communist / marxist so called leader of what once was a free country… Hostility? no not really just reality… Sure lisa can give her opinion as with anyone else I’m more than sure that is what happens in schools.
            Somebody has got to draw the line between facist liars and the truth otherwise we people are nothing but sheep.

          • Kate8

            Raggs, I don’t get your hostility toward Lisa, either. I read all her posts and she seemed thoughtful and sincere. Also, I didn’t get that she agrees with these things. In fact, the opposite.

            I know people who work in the medical community and, as part of their jobs, have to do things they find personally abhorrent.

            I appreciate Lisa’s posts.

          • libertytrain

            Thanks Kate – I didn’t read anything “evil” in her comment, only her experiences and her conundrum – and am glad that Raggs most recent comment wasn’t in the same vein he unfortunately approached Lisa’s calm comments.

          • Raggs

            READ BELOW… A post conducted by lisa on the other thread…

            Apparently in agreement to the use of DNA extraction or other means to control the population via big government!

      • http://deleted Claire

        libertytrain–All of my dogs had to register their DNA so that I could show them at The GSP Nationals. They all have their DNA certificates.

        • libertytrain

          I think that makes sense – mostly. I’ve just had this thought cross through my brain – I wonder if “they” began with the dogs and cats to snooker us in to get “comfortable” with the idea. :)

          • Raggs

            AH… a hint of reality setting in? sorry that was bad…
            Lets start with “illegal aliens” ? and work up from there…
            Yeah lets start from the bottom of the food chain and the sky is the limit.

          • libertytrain

            Raggs, you need to take a chill pill. Your anger will give you a heart attack before they even get your DNA. I’m not in favor of the DNA taking nor the National ID. Never have been.

    • Dan az

      Lisa
      You can bet it wont be voluntary, if they get there way it will be the only way someone will be able to get medical attention, drivers lic. or insurance to name a few.Its going to happen like it or not even if its unconstitutional.Its all part of the plan NWO.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

    The land of the free and home of the brave, R I G H T !!! Needs to be changed to country of the sheep. We care more for collective bargaining, that isn’t a right, than our real Constitutional rights, why is that, because of Democratic Party propaganda indoctrination of the public? Do the public even know their rights that Obama and the Democrats are usurping, one by one, in their agenda of contol over the American people, using Presidential Executive Orders and unlegislative laws by departmental csars who were never appointed with any kind of oversight of publicly elected officials. When real patriots finally decide that they’ve had enough, we’ll know who to blame for the next American Revolutionary War. The only question will be who will win, the Constitutionalists or those who are destroying it.

  • Raggs

    A quote from miss lisa on the next thread…

    (Take their fingerprints,picture and DNA and walk them to the exit and say good bye and slam the door shut . I bet after a few long dangerous treks back to their country it won’t be so attractive to come back.)

    I made my point boy’s!

  • Raggs

    Problem here is everyone needs big government to do thier thinking.

  • The Insurgent

    “nazification” of America???? Get real mates. The USA has been supported world-wide bolshevism since 1914. For decades the SovietGulagUnio was the jewSA’s little darling: huge secret financial helps (thru the ‘most favored nations’ hoolabaloo), military and political support and help to invade the damn russkies half of Europe after 1945 to murder and torture hundreds of millions of Europeans. F**k you! Bolshevism was born in NYC (or Jew York City) and if Adolf Hitler, this Second Son of God wouldn’t interfere with your Stalin, not less than 250 million European christians would be dead in a decade.
    The US gov’t knew about the more than 4.000 Siberian gulags (communist death-camps) , but did nothing, only screaming like an idiot about the Nazis “concentration camps”, which were in fact humane and affordable temporary shelter for the “European” jews who were told to leave Europe.
    National Socialism (Nazism) has nothing to do with bolshevism, the jewish juadist extremism. In fact NS used the good aspects of Socialism and accepted the good aspects of Capitalism and created the best social benefit net, what the European countries used and use even today.
    Christian religion was protected and under Hitler more churches were built than before and while Stalin used churches for warehouses and whorehouses for ranking commies, the Vatican itself thanked Hitler and His NS freedomfighters for being tolerant evend uring those hard times.

    Abortion was banned except for goofies and mixed bastards – if the parents required. Pornography was banned bc most of the child-pornography was organized by jews.

    Its easy to find the real historical facts about Nazism. Don’t be fooled by some brainwashed idiots ranting about “Nazification” of America, while in fact, under that negroid in the WH the “bolshevization” of Americans reached its highest level.

    • JeffH

      Ahhh, what thts board doesn’t need is a straight up racist…what size hood do you wear and have you really verified your roots?

    • crystals10

      You can call it what you want to I suppose, but that does not make it right. Our Constitutional Republic and Declaration of Independence need to be heeded. Obama does not respect or follow the “Rule of Law”. This is Tyranny period.

    • JC

      Now that is some pretty bizarre sh*t.

  • The Insurgent

    **Just think how handy such a machine would have been for Hitler’s SS as a tool to help identify the “undesirable” Jews that needed to be shipped off to the gas chambers.**
    WHAT ‘GAS-CHAMBERS’ BOB? ARE U SURE U R UPDATED YOUR HOLOHOAX BELIEFS TO 2011?

    **It’s a program Adolf Hitler would love.**
    AND, STILL ENFORCED IN THE UNITED BOLSHEVIK STATES OF AMERICA. YOU AMERICANS FOUGHT AGAINST HITLER, NOT AGAINST STALIN, AMERICA’S LITTLE DARLING… AND STALIN WAS A BOLSHEVIK MONSTER. SO WAS, KAGANOVITS, LENIN, WALTER ULBRICHT, JANOS KADAR, NICOLAE CEAUSESCU, MAO TSE THUNG, HO CHI MINH, FIDEL CASTRO, JUST 90 MILES FROM YOUR ‘FREE’ BORDERS.
    WORRY ABOUT YOUR COMMIES, NOT THE NAZIS, BRO!

  • Polski

    It’s amazing how all of you are against YOUR HERITAGE FROM DUBYA AND CHENEY.

    • JC

      What’s amazing is how narrow minded you are.

  • crystals10

    1984 and Fahrenheit 451 are becoming a reality. We need to nullify Obama-Soetoro now so the house of cards will begin to tumble. This man has gotten away with far too much thus far, and his evil destruction of America from within must be stopped. There are many charges that should be brought against him by congress asap. It is time for the hammer to fall on the head of our tyrannical leader. We must take back America and re-adopt God’s laws. We cannot serve God and Mammon, it must be one or the other. God is the only one on whom we can truly RELY on. We need to pray for the conversion of the U.S.

  • crystals10

    1984 and Fahrenheit 451 are becoming a reality. I certainly will not be tricked into becoming Nazi-Germany as the German’s were. I will not support Obama’s regime. We need to nullify Obama-Soetoro now so the house of cards will begin to tumble. This man has gotten away with far too much thus far, and his evil destruction of America from within must be stopped. There are many charges that should be brought against him by congress asap. It is time for the hammer to fall on the head of our tyrannical leader. We must take back America and re-adopt God’s laws. We cannot serve God and Mammon, it must be one or the other. God is the only one on whom we can truly RELY on. We need to pray for the conversion of the U.S.

  • Sam I Am

    Bob Livingston is a freaking nut job. This just proves that anyone can put anything on a website. If you want people to take you seriously don’t act like an extremist nut job. It is people like you that make the normal folks worry about whether you’ll slip over the edge into terrorism.

    • ’53 Korean Vet

      Sam I Am–Look at my Post–dated Mar 5–3 posts below yours & see if
      you have skipped your last “Insanity-Test”-!

  • Sam I Am

    Crystals10 apparently has drunk the kool-aid of Bob Livingston. Does the “10″ refer to your age?

  • Sam I Am

    RAGGS is a fool. He thinks Hitler is a leftist and that the ACLU is as far left as Hitler.

    I am sorry you didn’t graduate 7th grade. Sucks, doesn’t it, to have a life sentence working at 7-Eleven

  • EdgarLongenecker

    First, we put politicians, to such tests… then. when they have reaped their nonsense…. outlaw, Washington, D.C., and bring these traitors back to the Sheeple that spawned them; as close to the state pen, as possible; just maybe, then, we’ll have an honest government, wherein we can turn an oath of office, into, a death sentence… We’re damned sure, in a war; as all nations are; against the shills of the system; organized crime at law… First, we kill, all the lieyers… hire all the little boy pages that govern mentals, turn…with a reward on the head of any D.C. pervert, they, can entrap… that’ll rein in a ton of them, won’t it…? Edgrrr, Stalag Skew, Schizofornia… the home of the Howdy Doody congresscrook, who has decided that rigged elections are a State, not, Federal matter…

  • GotSense

    It is time for “The Republic Of The United States of America” to rise up and put a stop to this foolishness.

  • ’53 Korean Vet

    Named as”Death-Rays”by Newspapers before 1948, Shall we look at X-rays
    which were used to destroy Jewish-Womens’ Overies by the Nazi’s in World War II-! 1st Users of X-rays paid a “Terrible Price”–with well-published stories how they got “Cancers” & died “Horrific” Deaths, & little could be done to “Save” them-! Is any Doze of radiation “Safe
    Enough”-!? We know that Shoe-Store X-ray machines to fit kids’ shoes,
    were “Out-Lawed” & removed when AMA Doctors certified “They were
    ‘Dangerous Machines’ to the American Public after 1954″-! Yep-! I’ve not seen anyone in America, that wants to be “Sterilized” w/o their consent-! The TSA operators aren’t “Medic-Qualified” as X-ray Techs–
    & I’ve yet to hear any of them “Warning the Public” about the dangers
    of X-rays-! Do they ever offer–”Eye-Protectors-?” During Air Force
    Service, I met radar-techs that worked on “Early-Warning” Radar Equip,
    on “Dew-Lines” in Canada–they told about watching birds fly in front of the Big Radar beams-! “They’d burst into flames & then fall to the
    ground as a Cinder!” (Exactly like your microwave oven works-!) X-rays
    are the same, they’re a system that works from microwaves-! Your Eyes
    are most sensitive, & having a Baby is a ‘no-no’ in such a Scan-! See
    “Real” Medic-Trained X-ray Techs, they wear full-body ‘Lead-covered’
    Aprons in Hospitals! (Get a Clue-!) They prepare a patient, & then–
    “Step-Out” of the room, when the X-rays shot-! Ask any Doctor(“Why the
    Lead-Apron”-!?) Ask-if you don’t know-! Because-they don’t want to be
    “Sterilized” without their permission, & they don’t “Want Cancers”-!
    So if the X-rays were a “Public-Danger” in 1954–who changed the Law!?
    X-ray can destroy your ‘red-blood’ cells, your eyesight, “Sterilize”
    you & give you “Cancer”-! (How many Dangers do you need in 2010-!?) And TSA is forcing Kids under 12 yrs-old to go thru “Full-Body” Scans,
    or be Fined-! (Where are our American Lawyers–we need them Now-!) With 4 million adults & kids being “Exposed” to radiations, I can see
    an “Open & Shut” Class-Action Suit, for over 40,000 clients–to prove
    TSA’s forced “Intentional Criminal-Negligence” of Idiots-! One “Full-
    Body” CT Scan gets the same “Exposed Doze” of Radiation as, a Child gets standing back 1500 Meters of “Ground-Zero”of a ‘Hiroshima’ Blast!
    (Tops over 300 roentgens) (Some Shoe-Store X-rays equipment figures)
    were over 9O-R &, figures at “pelvic-areas” were (over 50mr/hr.)(1950)
    Bavley States 60% of the Foot X-rays exceeded max. limits of 2-R by
    American Standards Association! Any Questions by fellow-Citizens-!?
    You can even look this up on the Internet–thru Search-!

  • Les

    The scanners scare me to death. They do these scans out in the open, everyone in the airport get radiated every time they use one of these scanners. Did we learn nothing from all the cops that now have tumors and cancer from using the “low” power radar guns? The equally scary part is that the TSA agents aren’t smart enough to realize they are on the receiving end of these scanners all day long. And now they want to place these everywhere and drive through our neighborhoods with mobile units. Of course this will not happen to the “rich & famous”. Maybe this is the way you control population growth.

  • Beverly

    Wasn’t all of this said when Social Security numbers were first mandated?

    The mark of the beast will be more of a personal choice to put up with evil to gain money. “the love of money is the root of all evil”

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