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The Lapdogs Of War

August 12, 2010 by  

The Lapdogs Of War

Iranian General Hossein Kan’ani Moghadam announced Tuesday that his nation’s military has begun digging mass graves for our troops should the United States decide to level the Persian soccer pitch.  Speaking through the Fars “news agency” (described by London’s Daily Mail as semi-official, and clearly neither more nor less credible than MSNBC) Moghadam said:

“The mass graves that used to be for burying Saddam’s soldiers have now been prepared again for U.S. soldiers, and this is the reason for digging this big number of graves.”

Analysts suggest General Moghadam is saber-rattling, which is either silly (the 101st Airborne v. the Revolutionary Guard is Mike Tyson v. Marvis Frazier stuff), stupid (he’ll die) or both (his army will get beat like the French and he’ll still die.)

Ever since 2005 Seymour Hersh has been screeching about American plans to attack Iran.  While there is undoubtedly an American battle plan for the Islamic dictatorship—as there are similar contingency plans for attacks on every credible threat on the planet—no such effort has come to pass.  And with Barack Obama’s Presidency flailing like Keith Olbermann searching for talent, no such effort is likely to materialize. 

Not that I would mind if the Navy fired a cruise missile up Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s tailpipe, but Iran has been funding Islamofascist terrorism for the better part of three decades—so what would be the point?  Turning Teheran into a parking lot just to whack the world’s best-armed midget isn’t what I would describe as a good deployment of military resources.  That’s swatting a fly—with an F-18.

But here’s a question for the class:  even though we CAN beat Iran like a rented mule; SHOULD we?  Iran is developing weapons of mass destruction—the actual, nuclear kind.  Iran is a terrorist state.  But Saddam Hussein gassed, murdered and tortured hundreds of thousands.  The Taliban and al-Qaida have declared war on everyone who thinks women look better in clothing smaller than king-size bed sheets.  And we can’t agree on dropping them to the canvas long enough to let our military deliver a knockout punch.

Instead, duplicitous pontifications and politicians whom I wouldn’t trust with a potato gun have turned both Iraq and Afghanistan into multi-billion dollar reality TV shows.

In 1985, Studs Terkel won a Pulitzer for his World War II history “The Good War.”  Terkel, an otherwise unremarkable blowhard, doubtless chose the title as a clever allegory for the dichotomous American view of warfare. 

Only the most depraved or combative think of war as “good.”  In the utopian ideal, civilized humans would settle their differences with methods which didn’t involve artillery.  I’m the first guy to say I’d be a lot happier if the entire ruling class of Iran suffered simultaneous coronaries from getting overheated at a flash of ankle at Sid Sharia’s Burka Bar.  But that’s unlikely, so how long do we allow a circus freak like Ahmadinejad to shake his little fist before we pop him in the snoot with an AC-130?

While there may not be such a thing as a “good war,” there IS such a thing as a “good” war.  If a creepy Austrian with a terrible barber manages to convince an industrially-capable European nation to march across the continent in support of a world vision which includes gas ovens for 6 million to 12 million people—war is the only answer.  The alternative—which includes living on a planet controlled by thin, pale and excessively neat people who think the “Horst Wessel Song” is groovy—is too horrible to contemplate.

I am not preaching total war on a planetary scale.  It costs good men and women their lives and, less importantly, it costs money.  Moghadam is a lunatic in a third rate army which ended up sending 9-year-olds to get gassed at the front during a decade-long conflict with the other-kind-of-muslim lunatic next door.

Bellicosity from the world’s almost-nuclear junior varsity gives me pause.  Nearly 70 years after we took Hitler and Hirohito out behind the woodshed, we still have plenty of crazy in the neighborhood.  Putting aside our massive economic issues, major problems with border security and Nancy Pelosi, after seven decades we still can’t figure out when the next good war will be.

Since politics kept us from tossing al-Qaida, the Taliban and Islamofascism in general on the same historical ash heap to which we consigned the bad guys of WWII, I’m going to say no way on Iran. 

Some people DO deserve killing, but these guys aren’t worth the bullet.  

Yet.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • dan az

    The problem is that irans people are fighting with this mental midget to over through his want to be government. There lies the problem if we let isreal take the first strike all hell is going to break loose.With something like 10 thousand missiles pointing at them at least they stand to loose all of there cities,so we go in and take out all of there cities not a very good deal for the people that want him out to.So why not send in the black ops and take this little hitler out for them?And save us alot of money and grief.

    • Cribster

      Indeed, what ever happened to a good old-fashioned assassination? I know of a couple that would bring relief to hundreds of millions.

      • 45caliber

        One reason that they don’t want assassination is that there are a lot of fundamentalists who might decide to assassinate our own leaders such as Oblama and Congress.

        Actually that might be a win-win situation for all of us …

        • DaveH

          Good point, 45.

        • independant thinker

          Hear Hear

        • dan az

          45
          I just love it when a plan comes together!

    • Big Ugly

      PLEASE!
      Learn the proper use of American English.

      • JeffH

        Don’t be so ugly!

        • DaveH

          I second that.

      • JC

        “American” English is an oxymoron.

      • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

        big ugly you yourself make no sence I say the whole Group of Obamanation muswt Ither Be Deported to Iran since they love The TYPE of scum that Think Beheading Humans with a 8 to 10 inch Hunting Knife is Grate Fun Or Maby they wold rather we the people First Behead them then DEport them then they can think there in there Paradice.Id rather Deport them to Iran and let them live in FEar there and Suffer the way they are trying to treat the American Citizens.

    • Al Sieber

      dan az, we’ve been screwing with Iran since the early 1950′s, with the help of England. the Iranian people are Persian not Arabs, and they like us and hate their Govt.. the black ops idea sounds good. if the SHTF we’ll probably see gas at $10 a gal. I can’t help but think someone is trying to full fill biblical prophecy. maybe we’ll know within the next 30 days.

      • Al Sieber

        Ahmadinejad is just a puppet, it’s the religious fanatics that call the shots.

        • Bob

          You are right about that. This author is just another Zionist puppet beating the drums for war. No different than the Neocons in Washington.

          • 45caliber

            People like you make me wonder. Would you prefer Jews as neighbors or some Muslim fanatic who thinks all others should die? Personally, I’ve found the Jews friendly.

          • Bob

            I don’t want either as my neighbors.

          • 45caliber

            Then you are the racist.

          • http://naver Samurai

            If they don’t mind me flying the flag everyday, then they can be my neighbors. I don’t care about race, religion, or gender.

        • Al Sieber

          45caliber, I don’t know what you’re talking about, my father was Jewish, and my mother was Catholic so whats the problem? it was a little confusing for awhile. I have no problem with most people.

          • dan az

            Al
            I think that was meant for Bob.

        • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

          al siber your full of Crap you Have been Brainwashed like Most People Since the Mid Sixities.

          • Al Sieber

            No Robert, I was brainwashed when I enlisted in the army in the “60s”. I’m very much awake to the NWO, you sound like Obama can do no wrong.

          • Al Sieber

            r williams, you also don’t know anything about history, except what you see on CNN.

          • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

            al siber you are stuped i said obama and his group are all Going to hell one way or another By the Way Dip Stick so will you if you Worship Idles Such as Statues like st Mark or St Luke Or St Mathue or Evan a Statue of any type yes Even one of as Cathlics say St Mary she cant Forgive your sins only Jesus Christ Can He is the Only Meadeaater Between man and God the Father there is NO Other LIke it or Not.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Good point.

      • dan az

        Hey Al
        I think it may be sooner but who knows, I would like to know the ties between him and Russia and the loonie tunes in Korea.I know that he got the missiles from Russia but he was also dealing with Korea.I cant see Isreal taking the chance of loosing everything to the little hitler just to take out some nuke plants.I really think their much smarter than that.like I always say take the head off the snake and the rest will follow.

    • 45caliber

      How can you have a crisis if you simply nip any war in the bud?

      Besides, as one of our Congressmen said about Desert Storm, it just isn’t fair if our soldiers have only a couple of hundred casualties when they have over a hundred thousand.

      • Bob

        I have to laugh at all you people. Our gov’t is stealing all of our wealth, letting millions of Mexicans in our country, taking away all our rights, sending our jobs overseas and throwing people out of their homes. And you worry about a couple of people 8,000 miles away. They don’t care about us.

        • JC

          War as a diversion from domestic events is an age old tactic.
          Lop the head off the Iranian regime, leave the people alone and let’s get on with cleaning up our own back yard.

          • 45caliber

            I agree.

          • dan az

            Im for that!

          • http://naver Samurai

            It worked when Clinton wanted to divert attention away from he and Monica.

        • independant thinker

          Bob…………You have obviously been very very selective in your reading on these discussion groups. Immigration both legal and illegal has been discussed in depth as has the economy, the housing situation, Etc..

        • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

          Bob you must be a bit off abought 6 inches above your Pie Hole if you think Obama is going to leave them that Far away he haqs already Sent the Jahitest and Muslem palistaian Hames 20 Billion to transport them to the U S and set them up in Places like New York City and Nashville Tenn as well as Memp Ten Why Cant you see what there plans are with the Moses,s there bulding and How maney more will be bult throughout the U.S.A. Fine let them Co0me you Ignerent Jerks then see how Much you love the Damd Ratical Muslems whin you Find one of your Familey Members Being Beheaded By these Sick Bastards Maby youd like to see your Brother your Sister or your Parents Beheaded then See How you Trust the Sick Jerks.I am a Veat nam Vet and Ihave Sean shit like that you Dam Fools.Go ahead Follow this Sick Indonesion Raised Muslem Dictator .

          • dan az

            What are you reading we are on the side that dosent want war but if it comes se are the vietnam vets that will take up the fight here at home so what is it that your ranting about?

        • Al Sieber

          Bob, I know exactly what is going on, our enemy is here , not 8000 miles away. Iran isn’t a threat to us.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Here! Here! 100% agree, but when do we get him out of office and start lessening the grip he cuurently holds on this country?

          • dan az

            Samuri
            Thats why were all here trying to come to a conclusion.If we had the answer to that we wouldn’t be here.Treason is a good one but pelosi seems to be a little pre occupied following his commands to destroy this country I would guess rug burns on the knees also keeps her busy.
            We need to get her and all of the congress out of office come November so we can start the impeachment proceedings now.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Dan az, I know this is off subject, but Virginia and Missouri voters have won some victories against Osamacare. Maybe this could be the start of something bigger?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Al Sieber,
            I don’t know about that. We had little to worry about when we were in the cold war with the USSR as they were just as afraid of us as we were of them. Iran is looking to get their 21 virgins and and believe they will be rewarded for dying in a nuke war. They get a delivery system and we are in for a world of hurt! north Korea can reach Alaska NOW, give them a couple of years and they could be at the point to be able to hit anywhere in the world. Reacting to a nuclear attack is something I don’t want to experience or have my kids experience! If N. Korea gets the delivery system, do you think they would hesitate to sell it to Iran??? I don’t!

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Joe H: North Korea probably has the guidence system now. Remember when our other Traitor President, Clinton, sold all that telemetry and missle guidence systems and equipment to Red China? He owed them a big favor for helping him get elected and they got paid off.

    • slickporsche

      That would be the smart thing to do, if we had a president. This Spook in the White House is not capable of running a AKC show, let alone an entire country.We are only failing in Afghanistan, because the politicians will not let the military, do what they know how to do best.WIN A WAR!

      If we go into Iran, we need to do it like we are going there to WIN, and kick some serious ass. NO rules, just destroy their ability to defend them selves, and then dictate how it is going to go after we win. They need to be beheaded,with their own sabers.

      • 45caliber

        But if we did that, some general might be famous enough to get elected President like Eisenhower did! And that wouldn’t be fair! After all, those in Congress have put in their time waiting for the chance to run and they don’t like it if someone butts into the head of the line.

        Besides, as HH Humphery said, “It doesn’t make any difference how many are killed as long as Congress gets the credit for ending it.”

        • dan az

          45
          good point.
          who said in congress that it was unfare i must of missed that one!
          I think we should send him or her to the front lines to observe!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        I think that the Chocalate Messiah is on their side.

    • Jana

      dan az,
      The only problem is with this administration I am not sure we would go to the defense of Israel. If we did, Obama would have to think about it for about a year before he decides what to do.

      • dan az

        Jana
        thats a very good point. I think He is going to be very occupied at home trying to get marshal law envoked thats why I say we will have our own fight here at the same time with terrorist that crossed the borders are waiting for the go ahead to create havac an distruction all over our cities nation wide.when the blue heads start going door to door to try and take our guns rather than stop the bombing of our cities thats when it starts.As far as isreal goes they are going to take this turd out quitely before they even realize it.they are not dumb.they know the stakes, where only there for show and to intervien if other nations what to sneak in the back door on them.allahoboma is’nt a commander and chief so it up to us to remove him from office as soon as possible,if he goes underground the here comes the cement trucks.

      • taxman

        Obama is a very busy president, he was to lasVegas last month, Texas last week and then to Florida. He says the beaches are great, come join him. He has about 20-30 more vacation spots to hit before the elections. Don’t worry about the costs as Taxes will increase for everyone that works or owns a business. Obama is planning on many more vacations for next year, hope you get to see him when he is in your town. Thanks for your support

  • s c

    The heart of this penny opera deals with what Iran’s version of militant progressives will or won’t do to usher in their “Messiah.” It’s almost amusing to think that critics of America’s ‘right-wing Christians’ look at them the same way most of America looks at Iran’s ‘progressive Muslims.’
    There is no way you can communicate with a mentality that yearns to start Armageddon (in the name of “God”). I suspect Iran’s ‘leader’ is a space cadet bully who wasn’t knocked on his arse enough times to develop some common sense.
    Some people look up to that mentality. Most people see it as a symptom of a mental disease that needs immedate treatmnt.

    • JeffH

      Ahmadinejad a complete idiot, a major pain in the arse and a bully like Saddam was. He’s even got Saddam’s mentality which means he thinks he can walk on water…you can see what that got Hussein…a date with a tight rope. Don’t misunderstand me, I realize he and his hanchos are dangerous. With all of O’mans apologies and bowing, why wouldn’t he feel bold.
      Remember, he’s the one that bragged to the world that: ” “They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan.”

      As for Iranian General Kan’ani Moghadam announcing that his nation’s military has begun digging mass graves for our troops. Well pal, it ain’t gonna happen. It will be like UFC champ Brock Lessner putting the beatdown on Frank Mier. He might want to strengthen their “burn units” ’cause if push comes to shove, burn ‘em and send them to hell!

      Ben Crystal, I particularly liked this little snippit of, “And with Barack Obama’s Presidency flailing like Keith Olbermann searching for talent”…as accurate a statment as can be.

      • think about

        We removed the biggest protection from Iran wild actions in Saddam, he would have never tolerated Iran doing much of their actions. Saddam was not a good person, USA CIA backed him getting into power but he was the cork on Iran.

        • JeffH

          Manipulating countries and their rulers and their people always sounds like a good idea at the time but it always comes back to bite them in the arse.

          • JC

            The CIA has a term for the repurcussions of manipulating foreign nations…it’s called “blowback”.

          • kate8

            Trying to manipulate other people and situations, on any level, always seems to backfire.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      You’d have to include me among the right wing Christians. However, while we believe that there will be a huge war (rather, a series of wars) before the coming of Christ, we DO NOT propose starting those wars or supporting such wars. We simply believe they will happen as prophesied. The vast majority of us are simply American citizens who believe in the Great Republic that was America and maybe will be again. (But, I doubt it).

      • 45caliber

        Not in our lifetimes.

        • slickporsche

          What won’t happen in our life time???????????? That is the stupidest,and most popular phrase of our time. Used by those that are scared sh–tless, and would like to not deal with the reality of it all. I think we may be in that time pal! It is very near. Everything that is happening now, and especially that Spook in the White House, is an indication that something really big may be about to happen, In your lifetime!!!

          • 45caliber

            Let me correct that. I don’t expect it to happen in MY lifetime. I’m probably a lot older than you.

            However if we do have a revolution as you seem to think, I doubt very seriously if we can get back to what we had even if we won quickly before I pasted away from old age. Those trying to create the ‘new’ government would spend most of the time arguing about the meaning of every word in the existing Constitution. You could almost have another war right there.

          • Bob

            It wouldn’t take much to straighten out the country. Hang all the traitors, shut down all the international banks to get the peoples money back and put heavy tariffs on the US companies that produce overseas. The rest will take care of itself.

          • Richard Pawley

            I believe 45 Caliber was saying that we will not return to normal or restore the US in our lifetimes. If he was referring to the debt. He was surely right. Congress has been squandering money right and left. 70 members of Congress are members the Democratic Socialists of America, which is affiliated with Socialist International in London. Congress seems ready willing and able to crash our system, spending first all the money they could borrow, and now when foreigners have smartened up, and have stopped buying them (except with Enron-accounting – I mean how can England buy our bonds (no one else will) when they are broke themselves?). Taxes must be cut 10% and government by 20% or the dollar is toast. The Republicans may not have the guts to do that and Progressives (Socialist Democrats) are the ones pushing it so only the Tea Party is left. Whether we can elect enough of them in 12 weeks to slow down this train wreck as it rushes towards the cliff I don’t know. I certain hope so. Even so, mark my words, food and fuel and all imported goods are going to triple when the deflation ends. That is a given, because of the hundreds of Billions of dollars that Congress has already squandered, but if we don’t replace most of Congress, if will eventually be much, much worse. Of course an all out war will put everyone back to work but if Iran gets the big one they will not be like North Korea and just “threaten” to use it. Additionally, although I am not a follower of Dr. Nostradamus from the late middle ages I do note that he said that WWWIII would begin around they year 2000 and would be fought between the (fanatic) Muslims and the West, and that it would last 27 years! If he was correct in what he foresaw we are not even half way into this war. Will the draft be re-instated? Undoubtedly, because if “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is rescinded then many will leave the service and that will be one more rallying point for the militant Muslims whose aim has always been world domination for their ‘god’. All is not hopeless because the total avarice of most in Congress and their disdain for the common man has reached far and wide. The say the care but the behavior of Congress as they destroy our dollar proves other wise. We can, if we are offered true choices, turn this ship around before it sinks on the shoals ahead. It is still going to crash, but if we can turn it, most will survive. If not than the 15,000+ who are fleeing this country for elsewhere will increase dramatically. In England (though I can’t see why anyone would want to move to a small island that can’t grow all it’s own food) a person wanting to renounce his American citizenship to join the Tories can’t even get an appointment there to see the proper authorities until 2011. The Progressives in Congress want everyone to be reduced to an equal level, all poor. The unconstitutional laws and taxes they are piling on us to give to the unions will bankrupt all the states (eventually). Believers need to pray for the tens of thousands who will be meeting in Washington, D.C. on Martin Luther’s Birthday (August 28) when freedom loving people of all races, creeds, and colors, will gather to pray for a return to HONOR, and INTEGRITY, and FAITH and HOPE. This historic meaning will be the last ever allowed (Congress wants us to shut our mouth and go home and take it like a man). I say we kick them all out. There are a few good Democrats who are not Marxists or Socialists, and a handful of decent Republicans, but many are sold out to the 36,000 well paid lobbyists who live in our District of Corruption. TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! Beware of politicians bearing gifts or threatening war. They will do anything to retain their power in Washington. Believe nothing the media (CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and others) say. They are worst than useless and are merely government house organs repeating what they are told. Keep away from those who blame Bush, or Clinton, or even Obama. IT IS CONGRESS IN EVERY CASE! Vote them out in November or you WILL LIVE TO REGRET IT. The choice is yours!

          • 45caliber

            Talking of borrowing:

            Do you know where at least HALF the money the government is having to borrow is coming from?

            The US GOVERNMENT!

            Yes, indeedy. They are issuing treasury notes to themselves to get the cash they need that they just printed. They print the money and then borrow it from themselves.

            Talk about a way to inflate money!!!

          • kate8

            TIME, Congress has become entirely irrelevant. They have ceded all their power to the executive and judicial branches who, in turn, answer to a globalist elite cabal. The truth is, we no longer have a government. We are under the domination of a group of genocidal, psychopathic power mongers.

            These people, who are members of several cult branches of Luciferians, honestly believe that the game is up in 2012 (or thereabouts), and have used multiple billions of our tax money to build themselves underground, environmentally controlled cities in order to survive the coming cataclysm (whatever that may be). They are told that if they go along with the agenda, they and their families will have a place in the bunkers. If not, then they are left to perish with the “little people”.

            If need be, they are willing to create world war to insure the destruction of life on Earth.

            These are the people with whom we are dealing.

            For those who missed the links, check out the Denver Airport.

          • kate8

            Sorry. That was in answer to Richard Pawley, not TIME.

          • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

            slick porche or whoever you are learn to understand what you read befor you start sounding like your Buddy al siber that is only a figur of speech what abought the people who were shout by that Muslem Fanatich that Killed his 2 Daughters .they was here during our lifetime they were Younger then you or Me therefor it did not Happin in there Lifetime NOW DID IT BoneHead.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Richard P. If those Congressmen and women weren’t Socialists why are they Democrats? These aren’t the usual brain-numbed Union slobs; these people know exactly what they represent. Hang them all as traitors.

      • kate8

        Jerry, I think we should be careful not to allow ourselves to sit back in resignation because of prophecy. What a dream scenario for the power mongers: good people do nothing.

        Prophecy is accurate because history continues to repeat, over and over. It is the result of staying on the course we’re on. Studies of Bible codes have discovered the words “will you change it” written across certain prophetic passages. This indicates that, if we start to get a clue, perhaps we can alter the course.

        Prophecy tends to be self-fulfilling. The elites know this. That is why they are continually telling us we’re defeated, keep us in fear, sick, tired, stressed and discouraged.

        Don’t believe it. We need to start wising up and realize that we have more power than we think we do. We can’t just let them win without a fight. Failure is simply not an option.

        • Angel Wannabe

          kate8__It’s NEVER OVER, TIL IT”S OVER!___I for one am NOT ready to throw in the towel!

          • JeffH

            I’ll second that!

          • http://naver Samurai

            Me too, fellow patriot!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel, count my life of that!!!

        • DaveH

          Good comment, Kate.

        • slickporsche

          Ok Kate! Grab your rifle and ammunition belt and tell me where to meet you and I will bring many others. Men, women, children, and the old among us.

          • 45caliber

            Let me know which way you and your friends decide to go so I can be somewhere else when Oblama drops a nuke on you. I don’t mind the revolt; it’s the sudden heat that bothers me. And, please, wait until after the election! I don’t want Oblama to declare martial law and a delay in election so he can remain in power.

            And if you don’t believe he would drop the nuke, think again. He’d do it if you and a dozen friends were in the middle of New York City if he thought you were a threat.

          • kate8

            45, I wholly agree with you! I’m quite sure Osurper would go to any lengths to put down a revolt.

            Yikes. I didn’t say ANYTHING about an armed revolt. Anyone with that idea got it on their own. Such a thing would be suicide, at this point.

            I know that there are many who understand what I meant. There is a time for every purpose under heaven.

        • dan az

          Hey kate 8
          I agree with what your saying.I think if all of the so called people that want to hide in there underground shelters should be told that if you dont fight then you can be concreated in with no way out that would at least make them think before they run an hide. I did see that clip on colarodo air port in the middle of no where seems to me the concreate trucks will still be there when the time comes.

        • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

          This very morning I was thinking how the elite have attempted to take away hope. When the human has no hope of a peaceful and just planet they can not envision one. If we can’t envision it, we will not create it. I was also thinking that we were created in god’s image. God was a creator and so are we. But when hope is taken away and the only way we can envision change is through violence then the elite have won.. they have kept us from our true power… to create though the love and peace of god. The very thing that Jesus was trying to teach us but we got all wrong.

      • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

        jerry d this is robert if you remember the Bible also states there is a time for Everything such as there is a time for peace there is a time for war there is a time to cry a time to laife a time tyo sing and a time to Dance Most Everybody that Saw the Movie FOOT LOOSE REmembers whin those Passages were Brought up in Church by the Star Actor.think abought it the Lord once told his Followers to Sleep with there Swords By there sides and if they Dont have one to go out and sell there Cloke and Buy one In Otherwards Be Ready.for the Enamey.Today he wold more then lickley tell Us to Sleep with our Guns Be Ready

    • 45caliber

      s c:
      And that “immediate treatment” should be a bullet to the brain.

    • Angel Wannabe

      sc, History does repeat itself over and over, and over again,_ Phillip of Spain declared Holy War against England, because of greed, money and power, he lost the war, Spain was bankrupt and Phillip died within ten years_ Queen Elizabeth & England went on to prosperity and peace.

      • 45caliber

        But, Anne! You aren’t supposed to read history and see what went wrong last time! Remember, all the politicians say: “Look to the future!” That way you can’t tell if they are doing the same thing that failed last time.

        • Angel Wannabe

          45_ ain’t that the damned truth!!!

      • 45caliber

        Sorry, I meant ANGEL.

        • kate8

          So, did you all hear where there have been spending cuts in education?

          It seems that our schools can no longer afford to include classes in US history, civics, the Constitution on any level.

          Isn’t that what Queen Michelle said? “We have to change our history, our traditions…

          • JeffH

            kate8, ahhh what an ugly web they weave…just disgusting and of course you’ve heard who’s advising for these cuts…the infamous Soros group, the Center for American Progress, you know it…John Podesta, socialists one and all. Where’s McCarthey at again?

          • Angel Wannabe

            kate8, Just saw it on Beck at 5.__I Thank Christ Americans are waking up__Spreadin’ the word, Is truley our only chance.

          • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

            Machell Has no busniss interfearing in Education the Fact is she Always had a hard time Even tacking a test Much Less Passing it Without Cheating and she Cant Stand a Fith Grader Being Smarter then Her so Now Rather then Teaching History or Government She wold rather teach them that 2 Mamas or Two Daddys Can Conceave A Babby and that it Wold Never Be Possable for One Man and One Women To Conseave a Child. What a bunch of Sickos we have Not Running the whole Country But Delibertly Destroying this Country First then The Whole World all i can Say Is Please Lord Come Quickly.Amen and Amen.

          • JC

            It’s up to American parents to teach American values,
            and teach them well.

          • Claire

            JC–Good comment. Good for you!

    • William Barry

      And some people know there’s exactly one way… and ONLY one way… to deal with a mad dog, whether it walks on four legs or two.

      Put it down so far that it no longer needs to worry about coming back up again… EVER.

  • FreedomFighter

    My questions:

    When they are worth the bullet, who will be backing them up, China, Russia, North Korea?

    Will we create a world war, global nuke fest, by not putting a bullet in this rabid dog of a country?

    Hypothetically, if we nuked them, take over the country and make it the 51st state or just give it to Iraq, kick all current residents out or exterminate them (last resort), take the oil and turn Iran into a hot vacation spot. Then post signs on the borders:

    Islamic Terrorist will not be tolerated.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    The world would be a better place

    • 45caliber

      I think the best thing to do would be to make a large glass parking lot out of Iran. We certainly don’t want to take it over and I doubt if many Americans would be interested in moving there. And we DEFINATELY shouldn’t try to rebuild it to show the world how nice we are.

      • JeffH

        If the dogs become rabid, by all means burn them into the sand.

      • Bob

        Go get em Rambo.

      • slickporsche

        Actually it is a really beautiful country and I think it should be ours. Lets go get it and fill it with Christians. Now that would make the Muslims take notice. Then we need to start another crusade to convert as many Muslims as possible. WE could start with that young women whose husband sliced off her nose.

        • 45caliber

          You REALLY want to start a war, don’t you? If they attack and we make glass and then stay home, no one will care. But colonize? Every country on Earth would go bezerk!

        • 45caliber

          slick, admit it. You are really a government employee trying to get someone stirred up enough to arrest, aren’t you?

          • kate8

            45, the same thing had just crossed my mind…

          • independant thinker

            I have had the same thoughts myself when reading some of his posts.

          • dan az

            you know thats probably very true besides who drives a porche anyway?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Hey Knock yourself out Slickporsche__send us a post card__what happened to that woman’s ears and nose is nothing short of a crime, go ahead over there to the middle east, and try to change Iran and what has been for thousands of years, and you’ll end up in one of the new graves they just dug, in very short order___Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone,__ but most of us on this site are for looking PEACEFUL ANSWERS, and will continue to do so.

          • dan az

            Hey angel
            We dont want war but if its coming to us we will defeat them in any manner,this is the diffrents between the ones that run and hide and the ones that stand an fight.we all are up in age and are not affraid to die for what we believe in thats what makes this country worth fighting for not hiding and giving in to the nut jobs that are trying to inslave us.I would rather die standing an fighting then to die on my knees. Besides they hurt

          • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

            Hay Angle Wanaby Just to let you Know whin Jesus comes Again he will Change Everything His Way once and for all in his time not in my time Frame and Surrley Not Yours He Has a Plan the Word Chris tian as you Reconise it Christian Came From the Name Christ By the True Followers Of Jesus Christ i challange all you people on this Site to Read the Following Chapters and Verses,s from this in the order i List Them.you May see the Plan Of Jesus ISIAH CHP 34: ver 16 and 17 Math 24:29 through 31 rev:7: 9 through 14 rev:20: 4 through 10 Finally 1 Corinthians Chp 15: ver.s 22 through 28.GET THE PITCHER.NOT our Call But God,the Fathers Call.

  • Cribster

    The mass graves are a childish stunt. If such an impossibility were to happen do you think they would take the time to bury thousands of individuals or dig a huge pit and shove them in with a bulldozer.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Maybe the graves are really for their own soldiers. But, in all sincerity, I hope it does not come down to all out war. It may become necessary, but so many innocents die in a war started by politicians. However, I don’t relish the thought of a mad man like Ahmadinejad or his radical handlers having their hands on a deliverable nuke.

  • Den

    Like Alfred the butler said; “There are people who don’t want money, they just want to see everything burn”. Even our terrorist country called Saudi Arabia who gave us 911 want them stopped, but only if someone else pays for it. (The enemy of our enemy is still our enemy)

  • winperk

    Iran will be nuked if Israel don’t like the intense retoric spewed by Amadiajabbed The Lunatic. He talks too much about wiping Israel off the face of the map. When Israel believes they can. It will all be over in the flash of blinding mushroom cloud! Barack Hussein Obama II
    won’t know what to do about it, but the despots running the UN will.
    Israel will most likely strike the UN and other unfriendlys at the same time. Don’t worry, The opposition will be over quickly.

    • Al Sieber

      winperk, why would Israel strike the UN?

      • s c

        Al, the UN should be moved to a place where ‘like-minded people’ can have all the time they need to theorize and solve the world’s problems on paper. The south pole would be a great location. Another planet would be even better, but science isn’t yet advanced enough. With a little luck, they’ll take the ACLU with them.

        • JeffH

          Greece perhaps for he UN, or maybe the Baron Von Rothchild’s lavish estate.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            Only if they take it by imminent domain!!! He believes in it so much, let him experience it!!! I’d love it!!

  • Lorena

    I don’t see a button where I can share this on my facebook page. I know I can put a link, but more people read it when I post the article.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Ben Crystal (Author)

      Lorena:

      Simply copy and paste the link on your page, or on friends’ pages.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Ben Crystal (Author)

      Lorena (and interested parties):

      There is a Facebook group page dedicated to “Outside the Asylum.” Be advised, however: there are some very liberal members.

      http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=142925815732257

      Ben

      • libertytrain

        Mr. Crystal – do you have a Twitter page as well that you would want us folks to join?

      • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

        Ben Christle tell them to Read the Bible and what it say abought Liberals look at Isaiah 32:ver,s 5-6 7-and-8.prov 11:ver 24 throu 27 2 Coren 9:13 throu 15 James 1: ver 5-6 and 7 deutoron 15: ver 13 and 14.

  • http://yahoo mellow

    i suggest that instead of going to war against iran. let the iran people know that we support them. support them in changing their leaders in power.

    • 45caliber

      If you expect the Iranian people to actually have a regime change, we would need to support them by giving them guns. Want to do that?

      Good intentions don’t work very well when the other guy is willing to shoot you.

      • JeffH

        Afghanistan comes to mind…

      • JC

        That reasoning in reverse is also a good reason to oppose the Kenyan and Czarista Hillary in their (UN) quest to register all of our firearms. Registration is the precursor to confiscation.

      • Angel Wannabe

        45, JeffH, or anyone__ My old man thinks if anyone goes to war with Iran, that it may be Israel?___Any thoughts??

        • http://naver Samurai

          Possible. Very possible. They would be stretching their supply lines a little thin going around Saudi Arabia. If they do happen to be attacked by Iran, I hope we will honor our treaties and word with them. This would mean sending troops, equipment, and supplies over there to fight Iran. I know our troops are stretched thin, supply lines are already stretched thin around the world, and who would fill the ranks, but Israel is worth fighting to protect. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • JeffH

          That would be my guess too. I would expect that Israel would be pretty precise with any attack and take out Moghadam and Ahmadinejad at the same time. We can only hope that doesn’t happen though.

    • slickporsche

      Now there is a very liberal idea. Akin to trying to talk them to death like Jimmy Carter. hahahahahahaha

  • EltonJ

    I think there is a better solution than going to war with Iran. Bring our troops home and kick the Mexican military in Arizona.

  • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

    Excellent article, Ben.

  • atlas reborn

    since when so we go to war without a declatation of war. oh I forgot veitnam,korea,iraq,and grenada.

    • 45caliber

      We did for Iraq but not the others you mentioned. Good reason too. If war is declared, the President and the generals are in charge. If it isn’t declared, Congress can stay in charge. Now you wouldn’t want to fight a war with a REAL general in charge would you? We might win without making any political points! That would be terrible! After all, war is just a way for one party to make political points over the other party.

      • independant thinker

        “After all, war is just a way for one party to make political points over the other party.”

        45, I have to dissagree im principal but that is sure the way it works out isn’t it.

  • Fergus

    Ben: I know that as an American you are not expected to pronounce someone’s name correctly but please spell it correctly al-Qaeda and using the short vowel sound. It would be better to leave Iran to sort out their own problems. Look what happened in Iraq no weapons of mass destruction were over found. However, correct me if I’m wrong.

    • s c

      Let the jury note that you are wrong, and that you now stand corrected. You speak with forked tongue, dude. You imply that because no WMDs were found, none ever existed. WRONG! If you will recall (selective amnesia or not), WMDs were used against the Kurds. Not being able to find WMDs after the fact IN NO WAY proves that they never existed.
      GB made the mistake of ‘waiting’ until it was convenient to find the damned things. Progressive, you have been corrected. As your ‘friends’ say, ‘move on.’

      • kate8

        sc, I doubt we’ll ever hear the truth about WMD, just like everything else.

        Some say some were found, others say no. Either way, GWB gave them enough time to haul them off to somewhere else by slow camel.

        We spend so much arguing about things we can know nothing about, instead of addressing what to do now.

        • 45caliber

          kate and friends:
          They found some stuff such as the poisons Saddam liked to use. I’m not sure if they found any rockets. However they also found that a long line of trucks took rockets to Syria about two weeks before we invaded. But the MSM seldom mentions any of this since it might upset the Democrat rants.

      • DaveH

        What is with all these spelling police? Have I been magically transported to Scripps?

        • libertytrain

          When there is no argument left – argue the spelling – though these spelling police should check their posts before hitting that submit comment button.

          • kate8

            It’s easy to attack things like spelling when you want to try to discredit someone. Marginalize them by making them look unintelligent.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        They were moved and hidden while Colin Powell did his 6 month warm up tap dance with the UN. Look for them in the Bekka Valley in Syria and in North Korea; moved there by ship out of Iraq just before our invasion. we did find about 25,000 lbs. but that doesn’t count according to the liberal media.

    • Michael J.

      Fergus,
      As Americans, we reserve the right to pronounce and spell Al-Kida any way we choose. We also reserve the right to repel outside interlopers at will just like we sent the red coats packing at the end of the revolution.
      BTW, if you’d like to see Sadam’s WMD collection, go to Bekaa Valley, Lebanon and bring a shovel because they are buried 700 feet deep.

    • Ricky Roo

      If you had 10 years to move all your weapons of mass destruction before someone came looking for them wouldn’t you move them? Everyone told us that they had them. They could either move them to a different rouge state or bury them in the sand and we would never find them till the right wind exposed them. We know he had the weapons because we gave them to him. He gasses the curds with the one we gave him to gas the Iranians or have you liberal idiot’s forgot that and gone brain dead?
      Just because the news media didn’t report it doesn’t mean we didn’t find or destroy them or were you only talking about Sadams nuclear wants and not about all the other weapons of mass destruction?

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Ben Crystal (Author)

      Fergus:

      Because their alphabet is entirely different from ours, ANY spelling of their name is entirely phonetic in nature, and therefore can’t really be “incorrect.”

      The ACTUAL spelling of their name is: القاعدة‎

      which translates loosely to: Islamofascist nutbag.

      • JC

        LOL :)…good one!

      • dan az

        Know thats good!

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/ Personal Liberty Support

      Fergus,
      al-Qaida is the correct spelling according to Associated Press style, which is the style employed on Personal Liberty.
      Personal Liberty Support

      • Al Sieber

        I thought it was el cia da.

        • dan az

          Even better al!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        [offensive post removed]

    • slickporsche

      Well sir you have been corrected! We found Saddam Hussein! He was surely a weapon of mass destruction, and personally I do not give a sh–t if there were WMD’s or not. It gave us the opportunity to test our military strategy and our weapons.However, because of politics, we lost too many of our people.

      • kate8

        Yeah, they’ve been testing them so they can determine the best ones to use on us at home.

  • 45caliber

    We need one of our generals to send Iran thanks for providing the holes. It saves us having to dig them – for their boys.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      They won’t need them. you can’t bury atoms.

  • jopa

    mellow; We already helped Iran with leadership change in the past by helping the former Shah to take over.You will find that led to the hostage crisis.Most Iranian citizens are pro-American but they do have some whacko religious leaders.There change will probably come from within through revolution eventually.Our big problem is Israel being like a bad kid in a hostile environment.As long as we have to babysit Israel and their whacko leaders there will be no peace,

    • JeffH

      As long as there are wackos that believe the holocaust wasn’t complete there will be no peace either.

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you.

      • http://naver Samurai

        I do too. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • 45caliber

      I think you are compressing time a little. We helped the Shah in – and then helped him out again. Once the new people came in (Komeni – can’t spell it right) they took the embassy there hostage – which is actually an act of war. Carter decided to send in the Marines, which broke down in the desert because they used Army Mule helicopters without sand shields rather than the Huey with them. Reagon got them freed after he took over.

      Actually the Shah was the better ruler. He tried to educate his people and sent many (including one that dated my cousin) to the US for a college education. They all were against him. When he left power, the Saudi king said that his biggest mistake was trying to educate the people. After the new regime came in, the first thing they did was recall all the students. Then they put them on the front lines in their war with Iraq. Most if not all were killed.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        I was a crewchief and door gunner. The Huey was battle tested in all types of terrain and conditions even Alaska in winter! those mules were a piece of caca!!!

    • 45caliber

      jopa:
      You are apprently a lot younger than I am. We don’t babysit Israel because we don’t NEED to do it. When the 6 Day War happened I almost fell over laughing. Israel was attacked on all sides – and they won without our help.

      And don’t believe we give them weapons now. Their stuff is a lot better than what we use. Why should they want to use our stuff when it isn’t as good? The only REAL support we give them is our refusal to agree that they should be wiped out. They get less money from us than Palestine does. Of course we also have a treaty with them that says if they are attacked by too strong a force for them to stop, we will help them. But considering our administration, I doubt that anything would be done.

      What the Muslims really want is for us to admit that all Jews should we wiped off the face of the earth. And what is funnier to me is that all of them are distant cousins.

      • independant thinker

        “And don’t believe we give them weapons now.”

        You are half right we do sell them some weapons which they promptly tear down, evaluate, then rebuild into the much better weapons you refer to.

  • patrick

    i think we all want the best 4th of July fireworks show ever! most fireworks displays around this country are so boring, i’d love to see some country drop the BIG one on the middle east, it’s time all you dummy’s wake up to what this religious war is really all about? The muslims teach their babies that America and christians have to be destroyed, they hate us, don’t be fooled. This war started when GOD created man and shortly thereafter 2 brothers have a conflict. That conflict continues today. Just look at Minnesota and Minneapolis in particlular, they been promoting and bringing in all the Somalies and muslims, and read the news, see how many radical terrorists have been found and arrested in Minneapolis? Way too many thanks to the Liberal Democrats that run and control Minnesota.

    • Bob

      mINNESOTA DOESN’T BRING IN IMMIGRANTS THE FEDS DO.

      • 45caliber

        Bob: You left your cap button on.

        You are sort of right. The Feds do bring in immigrants. But they do it primarily based on family. So the ones who settled in Minniapolis are the ones requesting it and the Feds bring them in. At best, you are both right.

  • Jim

    These people run off at the mouth and then when danger really comes at them they run off with their feet!
    Remember Saddam bragging about the Mother Of All Wars! Yeah, right!
    How about Palestine when Israel finally got tired of their shit and started going in. Palestine was hollering that the Jews would be marching to their death. That Palestine would be the graveyards of the Jews!
    These people have tell lies that are as big as their lips and noses. They are not to be trusted.
    They hate the Jews so much. If they stopped to think about it they would find that they were at one time all in the same family. Switch the clothing and you can’t tell the difference.
    Get a couple of thousand of those big planes that spray forest fires, fill them with pigs blood and drop it over all of the Muslim countries!

    • DaveH

      Poor Pigs.

      • Claire

        DaveH– I agree.

    • Al Sieber

      At least it isn’t chickens.

    • dan az

      I think that it should be sleeping bags made of pig skin and stamped made in the USA

  • patrick

    The problems here in Minnesota are caused by the the stupid citizens mostly liberal deomcrats, that vote in people like Keith Ellison, Al Fanken, Amy Klobachar, Archie Rubeck, and so on. Minnesota has the highest benefits for welfare and even pay for lazy people from Chicago and Gary, IN to come here to NOT work and collect huge welfare checks, free food, free housing, free transportation, free medical etc. Now Minnesota is promoting Somalies and Muslims to come here to get all these free benefits. And a liberal democrat just won the election for the democrat party for govenor, with his retoric of raising taxes. Why? to pay for for all these Gov’t intitlement programs. No wonder this country is bankrupt… thanks Obammy and your crew of crooks!

    • Bob

      What have you done about it?

      • DaveH

        Not remained silent?

    • kate8

      patrick, as I remember it, they had to count the votes over and over to get Al Franken to win. They had to disqualify enough R votes, and “find” enough D votes, for him to finally be declared the winner by a court.

    • alpha-lemming

      Where’s Jesse when you really need him!!

  • BrotherPatriot

    I still think we need to just back off the world stage until we sort out our own problems here in America. It is obvious that we have many problems to deal with…Obummer, Arizona & Immigration, and a infested government of Bilderberg lapdogs to name a few of the problems.

    Remember, we have a Republic…not a Democracy as they have brainwashed the common American into believing. A return to grass root thinking is desperately needed for the future of America or we may lose the American dream that most of us believe in. When a president says that the Constitution is just a piece of paper…that’s a symptom of the greater problem in which I speak of. When they use a controlled demolition attack on 9/11 and then cover it up without proper investigation, that’s TREASON people and everyone connected to it removed from office (trust me, that will be ALOT of politions). These people MURDERED everyone in those towers and the first responders. We have a duty to those lives lost to investigate and to bring forth the irrefutable evidence that reveals the truth yet, the US government is barring this petition. It’s time to clean house and start over with carefully selected representatives that have no connections to the New World Order degenerates.

    So to summarize, we shouldn’t be out in the world furthering these Elites goals…we should be home cleaning house.

    • DaveH

      I agree. We are campaigning around the world for the freedom of others, while at the same time losing ours. Ridiculous!

    • 45caliber

      I agree about trying to get our stuff together before we try to help others.

      But you are wrong about a controlled demo on 9/11. The buildings came down due to the plane crashes. As an engineer, I’ve seen the data on it. The fuel on the planes created enough heat to weaken steel. In fact steel starts weakening at 600 F and fails at about 1400 F. The fires there were above 2000F. When the columns failed, the weight of the top floors allowed them to drop straight down. The shock of that weight falling even ten feet is more than enough to cause the columns below to buckle. It would drop straight down.

      The really sad problem is that with knowledge and materials we now have there is NOTHING that can be done in future designs to stop the same thing from occuring again.

      • Bob

        If that’s what you learned in college your professor should be committed. Steel doesn’t start to melt until almost 3.000 degrees. Jet fuel only burns up to 1,500 degrees.

        • JC

          I read that as well.

        • independant thinker

          There is a big difference in failing and melting. If I take a 6 foot steel bar hold it horizontal and heat it at the midpoint with a torch it will bend under its own weight before it starts to melt.

          • DaveH

            This is great, a decent discussion without all the name-calling. Keep it up guys and gals.

        • 45caliber

          Steel melts at 2600 or so degrees. But it YIELDS starting at 600 F. And its strength goes down quickly. I design pressure vessels. We HAVE to know when steel chages strength to prevent a tank from getting too much pressure and exploding. At 1800 F there is absolutely no strength at all. This is something I do for a living. We don’t want to kill people.

          • JC

            Curious 45…why then did the building “pancake” instead of falling over…and how did chunks of concrete the size of a football end up in New Jersey? I’m also curious about the molten steel pouring out of the building as much as 10 floors below the area on fire just before it collapsed.
            I’ve never been able to resolve whether or not I believe the “official” story. There are a whole lot of anomalies to it.

          • Al Sieber

            SC, you mean like the “Warren Comission Report”?

        • 45caliber

          Further jet fuel burns at a lower temp, yes. But other things don’t. The temp was decided upon several things including the color of the flame. It was calculated out at MIT if that makes you feel better.

          • Bob

            90% of the fuel burned on impact.

      • kate8

        45, You should examine all the evidence from the other side also. It’s pretty convincing.

        Like the “spontaneous” explosions that happened in other buildings and places. The investigations by people more impartial than those published by the Congressional committee include a lot of things that the Congressional report omitted (!!)

        Never trust the official reports and conclusions.

        • DaveH

          Whether true or not, I do think Government is capable of such manipulation. They steal from us with impugnity, and they kill without trials. Anything is possible with Government.

        • 45caliber

          kate:
          It doesn’t matter what else blew up. The results of the tower would have been exactly the same.

          • Al Sieber

            Most of the jet fuel dissipated and vaporized on impact, jet fuel burns at around 1200 degrees under controlled situations(i.e. in a jet engine), no way was there enough heat to do the job. why was there high amounts of “Thermite” in the metal assays? why did building #7 come down, and it wasn’t even hit? it defies all laws of physics. check out “Loose Change: Final Cut”.

      • dan az

        45
        I saw a clip of a congressional hearing that had this engineer had sample of the metal that was found at all of the four corners that after a week was still in hot liquid form that was called ferite which is not any part of the buildings structure or the planes they also found some across the street at the other building that fell.He brought them samples and they just laughed at him. He lost his job as a profesor and it was covered up.

        • Bob

          Since the WTC opened in 1971 it had been open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Why was it closed the weekend before 911?

          • dan az

            thats a good question!

  • eddie47d

    There is a huge difference between being prepared for war and being suicidal about stoking those wars. We need to pick and choose our aggressions more carefully and stay out of other persons backyards. A strong defense can be a smart offense if needed but not to go after a few big mouths in the world. I hear too much bluster about turning Iran into a sea of glass or making it our 51st State. No thanks and that second suggestion is rather bizarre. Then there’s the one about taking over Iran and combining it with Iraq. Those two countries can’t stand each other or the majority sects. That would bring even further turmoil to the region. Ahmadinejad wants to wipe out Israel and some of you want to wipe out Iran. So all the hot air isn’t only coming from the Iranian desert! Ahmadinejad isn’t much different than Chavez of Venezuela and maybe the threat of war is what keeps them in power. We can do much better.

    • 45caliber

      The Sunni and the Shites have been fighting since Mohammed died. I don’t remember which is which, but one group wanted to set up Mohammed’s nephew as his heir since that was the closest male relative and the other side wanted the most holy man. The nephew wasn’t even close to being holy. He lost and moved with many of his supporters to Turkey. There he developed the Cult of the Assassin and invented Paradise. (There is no reference to Paradise or the “72″ virgins in the Koran or the Qoran.) He tried to rule by assassination.

      Some years later his heir tried it on the Mongols as well. The Mongols wiped him out. At present there is NO ONE that can claim kindred with Mohammed but they are still fighting about it. And these people can hold grudges for a looooong time. Most of their fueds go back over a thousand years. While they don’t have much education, they can quote who killed whom in their fueds for hours.

      • William Barry

        Long before Mohammed and the Koran entered their lives, the Arabs were very much a militant culture.

        Back then, loyalty to one’s clan or tribe was considered an absolute which trumped all other loyalties. The slightest injury dealt to any one clan or tribal member would demand violent retaliation, and these blood feuds would go on for centuries at a time. The obsession with vengeance would be passed from generation to generation, and with every new act of retribution the violence would escalate.

        Islam created nothing new; it merely changed the focus of the loyalty factor (from tribe/clan to Allah) and honed the vengeance factor (vengeance at any cost).

  • think about

    Sometimes when I read comments it seems like the only difference in muslims and so called “christians” (like Mcvey) is in name only. They all promote hate. I am a proud christian who does not hate and think the answer to someone else thinking different lies in guns and war.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Its Interesting to hear the people who have 2 copies of the Bible and 2 copies of the Constitution: 1 Copy for preaching from, one for wiping their arse. Nuke em out of FEAR! Demand the GOVT protect them from HOMOS, and get pissed when the GOVT protects them from you.

      When will people learn to mind their own bussiness?
      When will people learn every time they ask the Govt to
      get involved in their FEAR the LOSE rigts themselves!!
      Dealing with GOVT is Like dealing with a devil…you will
      get what you ask for..but you will lose it all in the end.

      For the record I served the US Military on Active Duty for
      20 years. 100% Pro Military. 100% Pro Constitution
      and yes being pro Constitution means you DO NOT ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT!

      I Firmly believe that Some People need to stop being so afraid. I wont call those that need courage names. I would suggest opening your eyes and realizing the FACTS about IRAN and the Middle east as a whole. Sure they are disliking us … Their lands are Filled with our Corporate adjendas! Now our Lands are getting filled with their Adjendas…we dont Like it eather. Take away the Corporations, Military Leaders, and Goverments and Most people get along. If that means “we stay in our yard, and you stay in yours” thats actually a NORMAL Peaceful situation!

      The US has no written Foreign Policy, and whatever you call what we do “meddling Neighbor”, “Bully”, “Nosey Neighbor”, or “Unwanted House Guest”, BOTTOM LINE is all the politicians over the past 40 years have done what they want, how they want and look at where it got us!!

      Had our policy been successful over the past 50 years, and then Obama came along and screwed it up, Most Nations and their people would not forget all the Good we have done.

      Reality Check People…You and I Live, work, pay taxes, and trusted our Political Leaders for the last 100 years. Many of us did not want to get involved in this political stuff because we like to live life and not be bothered with politics. The Constitution is a “set of rules” for the Govt and thats that. While we were trusting they were doing right, they went astray..VERY FAR astray! Now its time to Throw away that “model of American Behavior” and get back to the basics of Constitutional Republic Goverment.
      Lets Have a Foreign Policy in writing that BINDS our Leaders to RULES and CONDUCT. Lets Follow our OWN Constitution across America and Begin Repealing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS.
      We Should start by Ending the federal reserve the lake of Corruption that feeds every form of corruption in America.

      • 45caliber

        There are two ways to have freedom – and ONLY two ways.

        First, you can take all freedom for yourself. Dictators like to do this. You are free to do or say anything you like but you stomp hard on anyone who disagrees with you.

        Second, you recognize others as free as long as they do the same for you. You don’t butt into their business and they leave you alone to handle yours. If something comes up that involves you both, you sit down and work out a compromise.

        The main trouble is that most people want to have the first one. “You do as I say – or else!” And our government is big on that one.

    • 45caliber

      think about:
      First it is just as big a sin to be “proud of it” than to hate. So don’t go there.

      However, I have no hate for anyone. I do have a desire to protect what is mine, particularly my family. I have no interest in starting a war with Iran – in fact I think some of their acts like digging these holes to be funny. But TO THEM, this is a firm move of defense against attack.

      However – if attacked, I have no interest in a prolonged war with our people being killed because we refuse to use all efforts to end the war. As Patton once said, the whole idea of war is to make the enemy die for their country – not die for ours. And that means we should do all we can to limit our casualties instead of trying to make them equal to those of the enemy’s.

      So – if they attack, nuke them. No casualties on our side at all that way. And do a good enough job that we insure they won’t bother us again for at least a thousand years and frighten the rest of the world enough that they don’t want to attack us either.

      “Walk soft but carry a BIG stick!”

      • Angel Wannabe

        45, I remember my Dad,(he’s gone now) a WWII Vet infantry, Okinawa__and some of his stories_He never spoke of the War much, unless it was something funny__Once in a while, he’d get serious about it, and always ended the sentence with ” We were there to do a job, in War, it was kill or be killed!

        • Angel Wannabe

          45 and I also believe Afganistan is becoming another Vietnam!

          • 45caliber

            I think it is a way to keep the military (which the libs don’t trust and hate) away from our country until they succeed in whatever it is they want to do.

            In a real war, you don’t ask for permission to shoot when someone shoots at you. Congress wants to micro-manage all wars now (instead of declaring war and letting the President and generals do it) so they can get credit for anything that works and blame the generals for anything that doesn’t. And, as HH Humphery said about ‘Nam, “It doesn’t matter how many soldiers are killed as long as we (the Senators) can get credit for ending it.”

    • Bob

      Some of these people call themselves Christians and then advocate the use of Nuclear Weapons.

    • kate8

      think, B.S. You don’t see any Christians rioting and murdering those who ridicule their beliefs. You don’t see them cutting people’s heads off because they are not Christian. You don’t see demands to convert under penalty of death.

      Self defense is not the same as fighting out of hate. Muslims hate. Christians don’t want their children being forced to wear robes and bow to Mecca.

    • dan az

      Think about this
      this is the second time Mcvaey has come up,Yes he was a fool but he was set up there was a third party that promoted him which never got mentioned. Some think he was a fed others don’t believe he existed but the fact that he was there has been covered up by the feds.My son was one of the investigators for the cid when he asked about the third guy he was told to drop it by the feds. when he took pictures of the back wall of the fed office he noticed that there wasn’t any damage,the blast was from the inside.set charges on the columbs that showed outward bending of the rebar. the feds took his camera from him when they noticed what he was doing and was pulled from the case.
      There is alot more information on this but I probably said to much now.

  • Ricky Roo

    I think they had it right in the “Godfather” you wait until the time is right and then take out all you adversaries all at once in one day and then you will have peace for a long time to come and it will give pause to all the other radical “want to bes” that they too can follow the same fate.

    • kate8

      Ricky, the problem is, it is not just OUR government who wants, instigates and finances these wars. It’s the globalist elite NWO crowd controlling our gov’t.

      The other problem is, they want to get rid of US as well as everyone else.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    From the Declaration of Independence:

    “In every stage of these oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people”

    To the POTUS, All 50 Senators and Every Congressman I suggest you all find another line of work.

  • DaveH

    I think we should arm ourselves to the teeth (we’re already there), and butt out of other countries conflicts. If they attack our country, then we hammer them. Take out something like 3 of them for every one of ours, and then get out. No Nation Building. We leave that to them. They will hate us. They do anyway. But they will respect us and leave us alone because they will then know the consequences. We need to bring our soldiers home and put that money to much better uses like securing our own borders.
    And we need to shrink Government back to their original intent. That is to protect the citizens from the force of others. Otherwise they need to butt out of our lives.
    And we need to get out of the United Nations before they take us over like the Federal Government has taken over the States.
    Vote Libertarian.

    • JC

      Hear Hear !!

    • 45caliber

      DaveH:

      I agree with most of what you say. But I disagree about getting out of the UN.

      What I think we need to do with the UN is: First, get them out of the US. A good island somewhere would be fine.

      Second, we need to start actually doing what we can to defend our country among them instead of meekly agreeing to anything some dictator comes up with. That includes exercising our veto power. I think we’ve only done that a half dozen times or more. Russia and China do it all the time … and I can’t blame them. If the UN comes up with some stupid treaty (Small Arms Treaty comes to mind) we should simply veto it as being contrary to our Constitution and way of life instead of saying, “Well, all the other countries want us to do (pay) for that so we should.”

      Remaining a member of the UN gives us far more ability for information gathering and a way to actually find out what the heck they are trying to do.

      • DaveH

        There are other ways to gather information. Ways that are safer for our Freedom.

      • DaveH

        If you think the UN isn’t dangerous to our Freedom, you need to read more. We are powerful, but we can’t stand up to the whole world. Well, maybe we can stand up, but we would probably lose.
        http://gunowners.org/op05042010ep.htm

        • 45caliber

          Being a member is only dangerous if you have nitwits like Oblama in office. And it wouldn’t matter if we were a member or not in that case.

          • DaveH

            45,
            Remember the Civil War? Why were the Southerners really attacked? It wasn’t slavery, that was trumped up later. It was because they dared to split away.
            The same process could take place if we let ourselves get too entangled in the United Nations.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Dave H, we have butted heads before, but I think what you posted makes a lot of sense. Keep up the good fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • kate8

      DaveH, I agree.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Defence Does not make the Kind of Money WAR and Nation Building does.

    Its all about the Dollar, EVERYTHING POLITICAL is about Money including who is labeled Bad Guy!

    The More Scary, the bigger the threat the more $ to be made.

    NEVER underestimate the motivation to make money.

    Russia = Big Threat = Big Dollars.

    When that wall fell something had to replace it, something bigger that motivates more fear in people.

    Terrorism Fits the Bill PERFECTLY. No defined enemy–could be your neighhbor..willing to blow themselves up to “make a point”. Can strike anywhere at anytime at anyone….EVIDENCE to point that this will strike fear into the heart so deep, people will be willing to give up their money and their rights.

    It Worked and its making them over 3/4 trillion Annually for the past 9 years 9soon to be a DECADE.

    • 45caliber

      Further, they can condition the people to do something that they would never have done ten years ago: report their neighbors to the police for the slightest thing. They have been trying to get that done for years. It is one of the requirements for a really solid police state.

      • kate8

        BL, 45, The good news is, we’re figuring this stuff out.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Defense Does not make the Kind of Money WAR and Nation Building does.

    Its all about the Dollar, EVERYTHING POLITICAL is about Money including who is labeled Bad Guy!

    The More Scary, the bigger the threat the more $ to be made.

    NEVER underestimate the motivation to make money.

    Russia = Big Threat = Big Dollars.

    When that wall fell something had to replace it, something bigger that motivates more fear in people.

    Terrorism Fits the Bill PERFECTLY. No defined enemy–could be your neighhbor..willing to blow themselves up to “make a point”. Can strike anywhere at anytime at anyone….EVIDENCE to point that this will strike fear into the heart so deep, people will be willing to give up their money and their rights.

    It Worked and its making them over 3/4 trillion Annually for the past 9 years 9soon to be a DECADE.

  • OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE

    I have been reading the previous comments of 45 caliber and others and I swear I am reading the rants of a bunch of bi-polar children.

    Take a step back all of you for a minute. Take a deep breath and realize what you are saying. You are fantasizing what an infintile mind is telling you to do. You have no power. You have no say. You have very little voice and apparently you have very little common sense.

    We can cry over spilt milk for years. I have been doing it for over 55 years. I’m in my seventies and I was aware back in the 50′s that things were not right. I learned for a fact in the 60′s that the socialists had infiltrated and eventually took over the democratic party.

    I even started writing a book called the “Beginning of the End”, and when I actually saw that there did not appear to be a happy ending no matter what we did, I gave up finishing writing the book.

    Later on, I found the gospel. I began to have some hope. I saw that one of the most important things that all of us can do is to recognize that God will never forsake this nation, as long as we do everything that we can peacefully and possible do on our part. That of course includes reading the scriptures, staying in communication (praying) and trying to be decent upstanding and hard working citizens.

    Now I know that millions of you have been indoctrinated in your public schools for the past 40 to 60 years so that you hardly know any “true” facts about history, geography and patriotism or love of country, but I also know this. Many of you have just now awakened and saw what life under a socialist is really like, and like David Hororitz, (spelling) a former Students for Democratic Society (SDS), you realize that this is a pretty great country after all, and why would you want to help destroy the “goose that lays the golden egg”.

    We all love this country. So… show it. Cut out the macho killing bit and try being a decent law abiding citizen. Speak loudly. Go to the Tea Parties. Better yet attend the one on August 28th in Washington D.C.

    Listen to Glenn Beck. He is a late bloomer, and he is learning more every day. He seems like a decent man with no hidden agenda of seeking power. Yes he makes a lot of money doing what he does, but then that in itself is the American Way. Capitalism is good, and the cream rises to the top, and it is ever so sweet when you earn it.

    Keep your noses clean, pray, study the scriptures and I promise that this nation and its constitutions and its freedoms will not fall.

    Have the faith!

    • JeffH

      Well OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE, while I can agree with some of what you have said, I also see that you have given up on the good ole US of A. You quit ypur book and then quit believing in the will of the people when you said you didn’t see a happy ending. If our freedom isn’t worth fighting for, then we all end up as the big losers. I’m not ready or willing to concede my freedom and I’ll fight for it tooth and nail as long as I have the breath to do so. Whether that be with the pen or the sword remains to be seen. I have my scabbard at my side and my pen in hand…for now I choose the pen for the choice of the sabre will only be a response of same.

      Don’t take everything said here as the gosple, try to realize what’s in between it all…good, bad or indifferent…

    • DaveH

      Sure Fuddie Duddie. Hoping and Praying did the Jews in 1940s Germany a lot of good didn’t it?

      • http://naver Samurai

        Sure it did. Many people died in the concentration camps this is true, but it also helped bring about the downfall of the Third Reich and Hitler’s demise. It also helped many more escape into other countries and were able to live through those bloody years. They were also answered by God sending people like Oscar Schindler, and probably many others, that were responsible for the saving of countless thousands of lives. These should be good enough examples for you. If not, I’ll try to find more if you wish. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • TIME

    Kill-em-all-an-let-GOD-sort-em-out

    • Richard Pawley

      Said by someone who was never in the service, that’s for sure!

  • DaveH

    What we’re up against. We need to teach our children about Freedom and the Constitution, before the Liberals have twisted them beyond repair:
    http://gunowners.org/op06142010ep.htm

  • TIME

    Concealed guns are a good thing, teach your children.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Not even a cheap copy!!!!

  • OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE

    Hey JeffH. I didn’t say that I am a pacifist. I just don’t believe that we should all beat our chests and cry Kill-em-all-an-let-God-sort-em-out, or anything like that.

    Yes for years, I had lost hope, until I saw that the histories of good over evil as found in the scriptures are maps for us to follow. That is to carry a big stick in your left hand, put your right hand out in peace and fellowship, follow the commandments as best as we can, and lastly have faith that with the angels of heaven, there are more of us than them, and we will prevail, if and I say if loud and clear, if… we deserve it.

    And blowing our bugles of war, and puffing up our chests and crying kill them all and let God sort them out, is not going to get us any good conduct medals from God. And if it comes down to defending this country and its constitution, I will look for and wait for instructions from God under a righteous leader, and even at my golden age, you will play hard to keep up with me.

    There is the right way and there is a Bi-polar way. Have the faith!

    Of course you have to believe to know this is true.

    • JeffH

      OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE, neither did I…You said you did give up on your book and you gave up on America because you “didn’t see a happy ending”. God will not intervene in all of this, it is mans to fix or destroy. I plan on doing my part to preserve America’s freedom. I’ll let God sort things out when there is no breath left and that, I hope, will be a happy ending.

      • kate8

        JeffH, why do you think God will not intervene? Because you think He leaves us to our own devices, or because you think He does not exist?

        The truth is, God promises that if we ask, He will answer. He clearly states that if we recognize the folly of our ways, turn back to Him and ASK for Him to intervene, He will hear us and “heal our land”.

        In order for God to intervene, we have to 1. believe He can, and 2. believe He will. Trusting in Him is the key.

        Everyone who believes in God has their own ideas of who He is. We tend to create Him in “our own image” of who we think He should be, and by universal law, what we believe is what we get.

        Scripture promises that God has not appointed His people to wrath. Clearly, evil always leads to destruction, and “wrath” will fall upon many. But He has always provided a Way for those who trust Him. Earthly life is a temporary journey, anyway. So even if our passage into safety means going through that gateway into what lies beyond, what does it really matter?

        • JeffH

          kate8, have I ever said in any post that I thought God did not exist…you should know better. I believe God will leave us to our own devices and not interfere.
          My religious beliefs are a very private matter to me and that is why I will not openly debate matters of religion.

          • kate8

            No, you never stated that God does not exist. Although, it is human to question His existence. It was just to get a frame of reference as to why you said God would not intervene.

            God is a personal issue for everyone. The fact is, though, that when we collectively invoke His help in a matter, it seems to be more powerful, and the answer tends to come more quickly.

            The issue of God is not one I care to debate, either. My concept of Him has been ever-evolving, very personal and very much a struggle at times. I do not claim to have any “ultimate Truth”. It is something that is so a matter of faith, and so much an ongoing revelation. One can subscribe to one doctrine or another, and close his mind to all else, believing to have the “one Truth”, but for any of us, the only glipse of God is found in one’s heart. That’s all we ever really have.

          • kate8

            Besides, Jeff. What good is a God who does not respond to our cries for help? Who does not have an active part in our lives? If that is so, why bother with Him at all? In hope of some better hereafter?

            Our founders spoke of Divine Providence, Who did often intervene on their behalf, working miraculous occasions of protection and favor. There are many stories of God working miracles to save His Faithful. I have experienced the impossible myself, having been miraculously rescued from driving over a cliff. I do wholly believe in His willingness to intervene in times of crisis.

        • JeffH

          kate8, I’d like to point out my mention of God with a capital “G”.

    • Bob

      Do you remember that old song ” Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition “?

  • Anthony

    BrotherPatriot sounds like the more calming of those who have posted and he comes very close to what really needs to be done.

    1. Imperialistic actions by this Country need to be made ILLEGAL
    2. At any time, when defending ourselves is needed – we, the people need to be consulted… NOT TOLD. If we disagree with the first option, especially when we’re discussing the COST of that action, then the People are who should come up with Plan B (yes, yes, I know, currently our own Gov’t would be suspect in informing us completely-yet you get the point).
    3. ALL Politician’s sons and daughters have to be the first in line to populate the military with the ready & willing and pushed to the front line. We’ll just see how quick they are to sacrifice their own.

    On this, I thikn we can all agree — if the American People had access to the true “costs” of war, on the currency side of the discussion alone…. NO intelligent citizen would ever vote for War. Especially when no one has attacked the main continent. Even Hawaii being attacked was in retaliation… the Japanese were being forced into a tight situation with FDR putting a hold on all their investments here in our own Country, usurping ownership of their monies… and helping China & Britain secretly – making sure oil imports were put on hold… try such a stunt on this COuntry… we’d have massive layoffs and everyone else would be walking to work..

    I think my 3 points stand on their own merit.

    It’s the Banking Cartel that “needs” wars… going to war and them loaning money to governments so as to fight them, is when they make the most profits…(and they never pay any taxes on their corporate profits, either…remember that – it’s in the Fed Reserve Bill, for the U.S.)

    What say we have the Bankers go fight that war, with their bare knuckles….
    Like in the NFL – let’s have the Owners get out there on the gridiron since they want the majority of profits while our taxes build their houses….

    • kate8

      Anthony, I agree with all you say, as do many I’m sure. It sounds ideal.

      The question is, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN? It sounds like a pipe-dream. Suggestions. We need suggestions.

      The bad guys hold the power and the super-weapons.

      Reminds me about the scripture where God promises to his Faithful that “no weapons formed against thee will prosper”. Hmmmmm.

    • DaveH

      Anthony,
      I like your #3. A lot!

  • Anthony

    This “next phase for freedom” as Kate8 alludes to figuring out….

    Well, (Reagan?) that’s what many I converse with are spending time figuring out. I also have a FB page, and belong to many freedom info producing pages, which I sometimes wish Bob L would replicate here.

    1. YOU MUST spread the word
    2. YOU MUST demand an answer from your Representatives – as to whether they might be willing to Defund The Fed — it HAS TO start there.

    If we do not find a way to erradicate the control THE FED has over our own Currency.. no matter how you slice it, a lot of people are going to suffer. That is their [global] plan. And, what’s more, I’ve seen enough evidence that THE FED marches to the Orders of England, the Bank of England, that is… go check out the European Bank Bailouts, our own newest Banking Bill achieves overseas.

    Also – re-affirm the knowledge that it is now considered fairly reliable that Obama/Soetoro (whatever) was actually born in Kenya/1961, which makes him British Citizen.

    We have to get everyone stopped with this running to the TV to allow themselves to be told ‘what’ to think and ‘when’ to think it. All of you know several ways to grab your neighbors and get the ball rolling. I do know that the Bilderbergers are seriously scared that we just might make a stand against them… they are reading the so-called tea leaves just as much as we are.

    Get off the grid.
    Store up for a very potential famime in the near future.
    Buy a water-purifier and/or a water-maker (creates water out of the moisture in the air.
    FOCUS ON FAMILY – assuring they have as much knowledge as possible with which to make the correct decisions pending you are gone.
    EDUCATE everyone around you, no mater how much they label you…
    Get thick skinned and don’t stop…

    Our Founding Fathers had to work very very hard for the freedoms they gave us. And, many of their family and their close friends were lost in the process.

    WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO….. to stop your descendants from living in a Police State? We are, after all, only one step away.

    That one step? When they disarm us, like they already have those in England and Australia. After that, it’s starvation time. (Who would be able to stop them?)

    Get online and google up for other groups who are working like we do to collect those tactics.. I’m not a fearmonger… I’m a realist. GWHB meant it, when he spoke about the very real possibility of this New World Order, which demands the death of almost 8 billion humans for it to be successful. Again – read up on what is stamped on the Georgia Guidestones….

    GET OTHERS TO WAKE UP…. Make our Force larger than theirs.
    After all – do we know for sure our own Military would stand unified against their own Countrymen? How many of those will walk off the line and become Freedom Fighters right along with us…..

    As you can see, I do a lot of homework… and none of it is labeling others, with the exception of outing our time being wasted with this Left/Right nonsense… If it sounds like distraction television, then it is.

    I have no doubt that many here have some very good ideas, Kate8. Even you!

  • 4gsltw

    I have to disagree. We need to turn their military and political machinery into slag. We should have done so long ago. NOW is better than tomorrow.

  • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

    Al siber you evadently Cant Understand any thing you read Isaid that Both He Obama aqnd his Gang need to be ither Elemanated or Sent to Iran on a one way Flite NOw Can you Understand that you Read it 2 or 3 Times and siffen the Message.

    • dan az

      Robert
      If you would calm down then it would be allot easier to read what you say.But the problem isn’t that Al dosen’t understand you its that you dont understand what he is saying. go back and read what Al is saying with an open mind not a tormented poorly closed opinionated want to be bad a$$ that didnt make it passed the six grade.Im sure you will figure it out hopefully in this life time.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        dan az,
        you guys know me, I don’t usually pick on spelling or grammer, but I can’t follow half of what he writes!!

  • john

    Only the dead have seen the end of war……pass the ammo please.

  • chucky

    Maybe when all muslums are at the iftar dinner that The President is hosting at the White House, He can come up with a solution for Iran(sarcasm) He will do nothing as Iran keeps on developing nukes to make the people(majority who want him removed) of Iran’s task to overthrough this madman. We could send the Iman that wants to slap every New Yorker and victims of 9/11 families in the face with the mosque near ground zero. I think the State dept. should hire this nice man to be our representive abroad(sarcasm again these morons actually did hire him)The writing should be on the wall that just by hiring this Iman in spite of the feelings of the victims families of 9/11 and the overwhelming majority of Americans in general, What side this President is on and what side YOUR REPRESENTIVES IN N.Y. ARE ON.

  • Engineeringtech

    There’s nothing conservative about rushing off to war without getting your facts straight. All the war mongering about Iran is not doing anything to stabilize the region.

    Iran hasn’t threatened anyone. True, Aminadijab said, “Israel should never have existed”. That’s not a threat. That’s an opinion. They have never threatened to “nuke” anyone. And they have never admitted pursuing nukes.

    Contrast this with US and Israeli policy. Bush threatened to nuke Baghdad should the Iraqi’s challenge our invasion with chemical weapons. Of course there was no justification for our invasion. No WMD’s. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s, who didn’t want to fight us, were killed because Bush had a personal vendetta against Hussein. Was Hussein evil? YES. Was his removal worth the death of all those Iraqi’s and our troops? NO!

    More recently, Secretary of State Clinton said we might nuke Tehran, if they didn’t stop SECRETLY supplying arms to the Sunni insurgents killing American troops in Iraq. That’s an even bigger joke. The US government showed confiscated IED’s labled (in English) “Made in Iran”. Why would Farsi speaking Iranians write “Made in America” on SECRET weapons? Even more illogical, why would they give the weapons to SUNNIS? The Iranians, who are SHIITE, HATE SUNNIS. They fought an 8 year war against SUNNI IRAQ. Didn’t we learn anything with Iraq? Are we going to spend trillions bombing and invading Iran, only to find there was no nuke program?

    The Israelis bomb any country they THINK might be a threat to Israel. They bombed Syria recently. Iraq when they built a nuclear reactor. And now, with the support of the US, again threaten to bomb Iran.

    Iranian military troops were taking basic training at Lackland Air Force base in 1976. I know, I was there taking US Air Force basic training at the same time. Had we not propped up the Shah and his secret police against the will of the Iranian people they might have been US allies now. Instead, we insist on badgering them, threatening them, and rattling the sabers.

    Are they a threat to peace in the middle east? Maybe. Maybe is not a good reason to go to war. It’s not a good reason to bomb and kill innocent people. Or to risk the lives of American servicemen.

    My guess is the people here on this site so ager to nuke Tehran would run away from the fight they’re asking the US to instigate.

    • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

      Right on Bro.. don’t leave :-)

    • http://?? Joe H.

      engineeringtech,
      actually Imadinnerjacket did say He wanted to see Isriael burn to the sand!!! If that isn’t a threat then I guess we need a new definition of threat!!

  • Mike

    Thank you Engineeringtech,

    The drum beat of war is deafening…let them send their kids, not mine, to support the damned bankers!!!!

    Don’t believe the lies…give truth a chance.
    http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/

    Mike

  • http://tonisopinions.com Antoinette L. Knowles

    What a surprise?

    It is an an illusions to say we could defeat Iran. Haven’t you hear that the State Department is send a special envoy to the Arab counties to further good relations? And who are we sending? Why the Imam from the mosque being built in New York City because he loves Americans so much. After all, he is building this wonderful culture center to enlighten possible “recruits”.

    Shades of all blogs!!! Let us awaken to the real cause of this administration and the stupidy of greedy Congresspersons.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    You’re an idiot, you just are not getting the big picture, are you are in on it and trying to misled the goyim-sheep.

  • wildbill (abn)

    patton read rommel’s book to learn about his enemy. we have 2 enemies. may i suggest some reading for you; animal farm, 1984, brave new world & rules for radicals by saul alinsky, then follow it up with the koran and the hadita. also the art of war by the chinese general whose name i can’t remember.(galloping senility, sorry ’bout that)
    then go to the range till you can drive nails with each of your guns.
    next get involved with the political scene and maybe we won’t have 2 enemies just one.
    also research what happened in lebenon after the christian gov’t there let the palestinians stay there. they bit the hand that fed them.
    also read up on the weimar republic and compare what they did to what is going on here now. they set the stage for “Uncle Adolph” with his national SOCIALISM. while stationed in germany i visited one of the camps and when i stood in the gas chamber i had an experience that is indescribable. it was as if all the fear from all the executed jumped on me i still get goose bumps thinking about it 50+ years later.
    if we don’t learn from history, be it from muslem conquests to tyrannical gov’ts we will have to suffer thru a repeat performance.
    above all pray to God for strength, wisdom and guidance. only with his help will we succeed.
    remember that in 1948 israel fought off the combined muslim armies with small arms and little else against tanks, planea & artillery. i believe that God helped them out, because militarily the israelis should have been vulture food.
    may God have mercy on us.

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