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The Inexorable March Of Tyranny

December 27, 2010 by  

The Inexorable March Of Tyranny

Americans hoped the midterm elections in November would put the brakes on the overreach of the current administration and Congress. However, as I expected, the hubristic arrogant bunch of elected elites that currently contaminate our nation’s capitol have refused to hear the message voters sent them.

To be fair, crying Speaker-to-be — aka Weeper of the House — John Boehner (R-Ohio) and the Republicans have not yet assumed control of Congress, but it’s not going to matter. Government is going to continue to take away what is rightfully yours, regardless of who is “in charge.”

You want evidence? S510, also known at the Food Safety Modernization Act, passed Dec. 19, late on a Sunday, night by unanimous consent. That means that not one Senator — Democrat or Republican — opposed it.

This bill gives unbridled authority of government over our food. Big Brother can now determine who can and who cannot grow, distribute or sell fresh vegetables or meats. It can shut food producers down on a whim, or force them into extinction through over-burdensome paperwork. It will mean the death of small farmers, all to benefit Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland and other large producers.

It is so over-reaching that it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that government inspectors will be tramping about in your back yard, checking to see what you’re growing and preventing you from canning your own produce.

The bill seemed to die a technical death a couple of weeks ago. But I cautioned then that the bill would be back. That it would be brought back so quickly and so sneakily was a surprise, and a tragic betrayal by Republicans who proved once again that they are not to be trusted with protecting our freedoms.

And the lawless regime of President Barack Obama continues unchecked as well. First, the Federal Communications Commission defied a court order and passed a new set of net neutrality regulations last Tuesday. With these regulations — under the guise of making the sure the Internet is free — the FCC gained control of Internet content.

Obviously, this is what Obama wanted, as the new regulations were proposed by Obama’s FCC chairman, Julius Genachowski.

Never mind that a Federal court earlier this year told the FCC it had no business regulating the Internet. Never mind that Article 1, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution grants all legislative powers to the Congress. Genachowski — dubbed Julius Seizure by The Drudge Report — and two Democrat members of the FCC decided they had authority over the courts and Congress.

These new regulations will have a chilling effect on free speech. The Internet is the last bastion of freedom, and has grown beyond anyone’s imagination since it was spun off from a government research project in the early 1990s. Since then, billions of dollars have been made and untold thousands of jobs created in the Internet industry — because the government did not interfere with it.

Internet journalists and bloggers have successfully defeated the government’s control over the flow of information. And that is what irks Big Government proponents like Obama… and like Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez… and China’s Hu Jintao… and One Worlders like the bigwigs at the United Nations.

The furor over the WikiLeaks revelations demonstrate just how much the elected elites fear the truth and want to control the flow of information. The truth is always one of the first victims of totalitarianism.

The new FCC regulations “fix” a problem that doesn’t exist. As The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, just after the FCC acted, “The FCC’s action ‘is not motivated by a tangible competitive harm or market failure,’ said Commissioner Meredith Attwell Baker, a Republican, who said she couldn’t support the rule because the agency was intervening to regulate the Internet ‘because it wants to, not because it needs to.’”

Likewise, Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency — yet another unConstitutional arm of the government — now says it will regulate emissions from fossil fuel power plants by 2011 and petroleum refineries by 2012 since a climate bill failed in the Congress. This is yet another unConstitutional act by an agency populated with radical Leftist progressives.

The Transportation Security Administration continues its power grab — sexually assaulting our wives and children and ogling their naked pictures in the name of safety. But now, not only are airline passengers considered terrorists until they are squeezed, groped and irradiated to the satisfaction of an overpaid TSA dolt, now bus and train passengers are being victimized.

And the Department of Homeland Security has many more plans for Americans in the name of safety — plans that strip us of our rights supposedly guaranteed under the Constitution.

In Oklahoma, regulators from the Federal Reserve ordered a bank to remove a Bible verse of the day, crosses on the teller’s counter and buttons that say “Merry Christmas, God With Us,” saying they were inappropriate.

This is not a public building, mind you, but a privately-owned bank. The order by the Fed, which of course is not a Federal institution, is a clear violation of the bank owner’s and the tellers’ 1st Amendment rights.

Americans are coming to realize that their greatest enemy is not al-Qaida, a manufactured and U.S. government-inspired and funded enemy. The greatest enemy they face resides in Washington, walking the halls of Congress, the White House and Federal buildings across the country.

There are those who lean Right who blame the Left. There are those who lean Left who blame the Right. The blame rightfully falls on both, for it is both sides that answer to Big Brother and do his bidding. It is both sides that have supported Orwellian laws and regulations that steal your property, your wealth your personhood and your ability to choose.

It is both sides that bow to the altar of Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Food and Big Union, all to the detriment of the populace. It is both sides that are supporting and even proposing policies and regulations that destroy the middle class and small business and drive jobs overseas.

And it is Americans themselves who are to blame. They slept while Congress, Presidents and the Federal judiciary acted contrary to the interests of the American people. And when they finally awoke they asked that Congress work together — compromise — and reach a bi-partisan agreement; never realizing that when liberty and tyranny compromise, more liberty is lost.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • JeffH

    Thanks Bob for a well written piece that clearly recognizes and clearly points the finger at the elected parties we have chosen to rape AMerica…Constitution be damned! It actually make me ill to read this, but it is far more important to understand the truth of the matter rather than duck and hide.

    What Patrick Henry – a true patriot who faced the very real, not imagined, loss of his life, liberty and property – said in 1775 bears reflection today:
    Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.

    If we wish to be free — if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending — if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

    They tell us, sir, that we are weak — unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? . . .

    Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

    The gang raping of the Constitution that has been taking place has got to be stopped…cold! Republicans and Democrats alike have been active participants in the rape of the Constitution of the United States of America.

    “Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? . . .
    We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a
    bunch of boy scouts that you’re up against – and then you’ll know
    that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power
    and we mean it. . . . . There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only
    power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
    Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares
    so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to
    live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding
    citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of
    laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively
    interpreted – and you create a nation of lawbreakers – and then you
    cash in on the guilt. Now that’s the system, . . . that’s the game,
    and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
    From Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand.

    • http://www.America-Betrayed-1787.com Oliver Woods

      JeffH, it is the Constitution itself that has been gang-raping us since its inception in 1787. Any government that rules apart from the law of God may be defined as a tyranny, and such is the U.S. Constitution. In Article VI, Section 2 the Constitution blatantly declares itself and the “laws of the United States made in pursuance thereof” to be “the supreme law of the land.” This was in total opposition to the rule of God’s law enshrined in the colonial constitutions.

      You quote the Patrick Henry of 1775 and conveniently ignore the Patrick Henry of 1788, who vehemently opposed ratification of the Federalist Constitution in the Virginia Ratifying Convention. “I need not take much pains to show that the principles of this system are extremely pernicious, impolitic and dangerous,” he thundered, “Here is a revolution as radical as that which separated us from Great Britain.”

      He went on to say that “it is radical in this transition; our rights and privileges are endangered, and the sovereignty of the states will be relinguished: and cannot we plainly see that this is actually the case…I look on that paper as the most fatal plan that could possibly be conceived to enslave a free people.” Patrick Henry was never reconciled to the Federalist Constitution, the Bill of Rights notwithstanding.

      What Patrick Henry could “plainly see” in 1788, so-called American, conservative “patriots” of 2010 are utterly blind to with 200+ years of evidence staring them in the face. Shake off the blinders of patriotic idolatry and return to the law of God in Exodus 20-23. That is the only thing that will arouse the God of Abraham to act in our defense: http://www.America-Betrayed-1787

      • JC

        Are you seriously suggesting that we might as well burn the Constitution and turn to the Bible, and only the Bible as our reference to law?
        I respect your right to faith and worship, but that’s where it ends.
        The Bible itself is so ripe for interpretation that it will only serve to divide us even further.

        No Sir! The Constitution observed in it’s original intent, without all the interpretations, is the finest legal document written in the history of mankind. Brave men and women fought and gave their lives to give us the freedoms that made America great, and the scum in Washington who would see us all as Global Slaves are our greatest enemies.

        As far as I’m concerned you should use your Bible for personal guidance, but rally behind the Constitution.

        • Vigilant

          JeffH and JC,

          Bravo! Those are two of the finest written contributions I’ve seen on this site.

          To see someone disparage the document that gave this country its life, that reflects the sovereignty of the individual, that facilitated the greatest good for the greatest number, that allowed this nation to become the most prosperous and moral nation in history, is indeed reprehensible.

          Oliver wants a theocracy, a power that would rule by fiat, execute people for minor offenses and end up engaging in holy wars. We would turn into Iran. What a nightmare he wishes upon us!

          • Dr. Mabuse

            Vigilant, I agree with your basic premise, but there is a paradox I’d like to get your thoughts on. Most of us would agree that at the time of the formation of the U.S. and even today, we are a Christian nation. By definition we are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. However, at the Second Coming of Christ, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, it says that he will rule all the nations (NWO?) with rod of iron. On the face of it, this sounds like a Monarchy to me.
            So which system of governance should we aspire to, given our political and religious inclinations?

          • Vigilant

            DM,

            “Most of us would agree that at the time of the formation of the U.S. and even today, we are a Christian nation.”

            We are a Christian nation only in the same sense that Turkey is a Muslim nation, i.e., we are both secular constitutional republics that happen to have a majority of the religious populace in the description. We are not, and I am confident never will be, a theocracy.

            “However, at the Second Coming of Christ, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, it says that he will rule all the nations (NWO?) with rod of iron. On the face of it, this sounds like a Monarchy to me.”

            Certainly that’s the thrust of the passages. It has never been described otherwise. Although, to be accurate, Revelations and other NT works most likely referred to a time in the past that came and went without incident.

            “So which system of governance should we aspire to, given our political and religious inclinations?”

            The world has discovered no better form of government than the one we possessed in 1788. That the political realities have metamorphosed us into something different is not the fault of the Founders, it’s been our own fault.

            Since you ask my opinion of what we “should” aspire to, I would say that the constitutional republic has no equal in history

          • Les

            Catering to your personal bias does not make sense in such an intelligent forum. Oliver made a good argument as well as the other two. These are thoughts that bear serious consideration. Something that you refer to that needs elevation in it’s governing status is the Declaration of Independence, where cause is given for our stance. We are a Judeo / Christian nation, as made clear by our Fathers. The attack on this truth has fomented our current predicament. Though our governing laws be secular, our culture and society are Christian; that is the foundation of our Liberty and our tolerance.

          • Vigilant

            Les,

            “Something that you refer to that needs elevation in it’s governing status is the Declaration of Independence, where cause is given for our stance. We are a Judeo / Christian nation, as made clear by our Fathers. The attack on this truth has fomented our current predicament. Though our governing laws be secular, our culture and society are Christian; that is the foundation of our Liberty and our tolerance.”

            We are more in agreement than disagreement, I think. I am not taking issue with you as regards the firm Judeo-Christian values embodied in our customs and laws. The Founders knew that our Republic could not survive in the absence of a moral and responsible society, and Christianity certainly supplied that rubric.

            The Declaration of Independence is indeed the very expression of our values, grounded in Natural Law. Most of the Founders were Christians in name. The “biggies,” i.e., Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and to a great extent Adams, were Deists in practice if not in name.

          • Al Sieber

            You got that right, well said.

          • Gene Husky

            I agree with everything you said except for the moral part.This country has been losing its morals at a rapid pace.We cannot allow men to marry men and women to marry women and let out chrildren witness all the perversion they see and call ourselfs moral.That is why most countries in the middle east hate us.Surely I am not the only
            person under the eyes of God that believes like I do.I pray that we as americans can unite together and stop all the bulls___that we are being fed.I am waiting and looking for someone to organize and form a true for the american people party.At this point I am not above vigilanties.I get sick at my stomach seeing all the corruption…

          • JC

            Gene, you’ve nailed a valid point. Not as much from a religious perspective as from a tactical perspective. The family and it’s core values are the basis of all of our laws and morality. Destroying the family unit, its values and its morals are part of the “divide and conquer” strategy of the Globalists. Throw in sex education at a far too young age and add a dollop of multi culturalism and suddenly america is unrecognizable as a moral nation.
            Destroy the family unit…destroy the nation.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I think the Constitution is a wonderful document, that is being put aside for these current mans personal interests. They feel themselves above the Constitution, and have no gripes in going against it, and even try to legitimize their efforts. I also am a Christian, and I fully believe that when the writers refered to it as the law of the land, they in no way were putting God in a backroom. They founded this country on a belief in God, in helping each other, and all being equal. Those are things of God. Current man has no interest in being Godlike, as they seem to think of themselves as gods. They obviously find themselves above the law, as they almost all seem to break it at will, and are never hardly ever held accountable for it. They take bribes in the form of pork packages and payoffs for doing things favorable for certain business’s places or things. Our Constitution was written, fully understanding the Sovereignty of God, and I think the fully expected man to be smart enough to always hold God in high esteem. But modern man has become so perverted and decadent, that our so called leaders are pretty much the moral lepers of society. They just see themselves as better than the rest of us, because they all make good money, and have nice houses, drive nice cars, wear suits, and they think of themselves as “all that”. But they are not. They are bought men, and they are almost all owned by someone or something. To me, that makes them little weak men, by all standards. And now they seek to circumvent the Constitution, and even try to change it, as I know that is coming up next. Man in his wisdom, in his brightest moments, is not even close to being as wise as God in His most foolish moment. Thats why the United States is failing, and going to fall, much like the Greeks, the Romans and the Medo-Persian Empires before them. When it all comes down to it at the end, if you aint got God, you aint got nothing.

        • Cathy

          “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.” — Albert Einstein, written in a letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954, a year before Einstein’s death.

          I agree with Einstein… However, I believe in The Constitution.

          • Christin

            Cathy,
            I am glad you believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. The Founding Fatehrs were quite brilliant.

            The Bible does tell of people’s weaknesses AND their strengths… and that seems to mirror much of the human population today.

            You will believe in God one day whether alive or dead.

            And he will hold you accountable for what you say and do.

            “Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.”

            God created the heavens and the earth and all the fowl of the air, the beasts on the earth, the fish in the seas, and the plants with their seed and fruit… and man and woman.. that would be you!

            God is Love, Life, Hope, and Truth.

            His fallen angel Lucifer, aka satan /devil, is Hate, Death, Despair, and Lies.

            You are either on the side of the Trinity: God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit
            OR
            with the Beast (satan), Anti Christ, & False Prophet.

            If you are not for either you are for self and that is with the devil.

            The Christian believers have created a Republic with Freedoms, Liberties and Rights granted by God that you have enjoyed… The Constitution was not created by unbelievers, but destroyed by them.

          • denniso

            Now that’s what I like to see, simple thinking,black and white ‘logic’,only 2 sides to every argument. What you fail to understand Christin is that a belief is nothing more than that,a belief. A belief requires no facts,evidence or logic. It just requires that a person give their mind over to the particular belief that sounds good and makes them feel good. Every religion has it’s own belief system and it always differs from all the other religions,and each believes the others are wrong. Does that sound like a very logical way to arrive at a reasonable belief structure?

          • Keith

            This is actually a reply to Christian, who responded to Cathy. Christian, you are delusional. People are either on the side of the fictional character “Jesus Christ” or the fictional character “Satan”. There are a good many of us that are on the side of rationality, reason and common sense. We don’t believe in fairy tales, so why would we take sides when it comes to those fairy tales? Please, grow up and stop believing in Santa Claus.

          • Bill

            I suspect that if Einstein were able, that he would change his opinion of religion after his face to face for judgment with his Creator. It is to bad that we can’t solicit his viewpoint now. He has had an opportunity to see the power that gave him his genius.Wonder if he still doubts??

          • Richard Pawley

            Einstein was a brilliant and honorable man whom I admire and respect in some areas but when it comes to spiritual reality he would have done well to keep his opinion to himself. It only shows that for all his genius, his understanding of the Universe was still quite flawed.
            I have an assocaite who genius far exceeds Einstein but he has the same weakness, a flawed view of the spiritual universe though his comprehension of the physical universe far exceeds mine, but we have barely begun to understand the Bible. While some ardent believers, both Christian and Jewish, don’t like the idea that God would inspire something like that which the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society has uncovered and only the Bible – In Hebrew – does any of the ‘codes’ discovered make sense. One of our top scientists at the National Security Agency who did not believe in these ‘hidden things’ in the Bible but who has access to computers that are almost out of science fiction has said (once he analyzed the data) that “whoever wrote the Bible was not bounded by time as we are”, a profound statement from a senior code-breaker with the NSA. God, incidentally, forces no one to believe in him and his rules (the original ten commandments and the eleventh that Jesus gave us) are all for our own benefit, and while the Constitution of the United States of America is the greatest political document that men who believed in the written word for God (The Bible, and different from the ‘spoken word’ of God, which He can and sometimes does speak to individuals and which will never counter-act the Bible itself) ever put together, it was not meant to be a spiritual document. However, the founding fathers, at least one of them, said it was a document fit only for a people who were believers and believed that our rights came from God and not from the will of Kings or parliament. I agree with JeffH and JC but the reason their articles are so excellent is that they were quoting the founding fathers. In a similar vain I first read from the founding father of after-death experiences, Raymond Moody, more than 32 years ago. This information was cutting edge back then: It is not anti-Bible though it might seem to be to some who believe more in the Bible than in what the Bible is supposed to do: Lead us to a personal relationship with God. Some people seem to be hoping that they won’t be held accountable for their lives but that is like hoping that career politicians won’t raise taxes. You don’t have to believe this either but it may give you a frame of reference that might prove helpful one day. I found it interesting that neither the people in hell nor the enlightened self-less ones in the scientific arena could see Jesus. Yet, many people have and I wrote about some of them in my autobiography a few years ago. Just copy and paste this and see what you think. There are many such cases as this but most don’t want to know: http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

          • Vigilant

            Keith,

            “There are a good many of us that are on the side of rationality, reason and common sense. We don’t believe in fairy tales, so why would we take sides when it comes to those fairy tales? Please, grow up and stop believing in Santa Claus.”

            The Founders were rational, reasonable and common-sense types of human beings, as are millions of Christians in the world. If you accuse Christians of belief in fantasy, then you must include yourself and virtually every sane and insane person in the world under that charge.

            You see, everyone has a belief system, and atheism is a belief system no different in character than Christianity. It takes ON FAITH that God does not exist, since God’s existence BY DEFINITION cannot be proven by empirical means.

            You may be interested to know that the Greek “myths” were never intended to declare literal truth, but were used to represent reality as they knew it. They were, in fact, considered to be representative of a superior truth to the everyday material (and materialistic) world. Every one believes in myths.

          • Denniso

            Some people read ONE book,and then declare they know all the truth there is. They alone have all the knowledge about the universe and know absolutely what happens to us when we die,all w/o any evidence at all to back up their belief…just one book,that millions of believers argue over the meaning of. Pretty amazing,the power of suggestion and how readily most humans are to accept far flung stories on faith and the word of the writers of this one book from two thousand yrs ago.

            So called atheism is not a faith anymore than the lack of belief that humans can fly like birds is a faith. If I don’t find any evidence for the existence of aliens here on earth,I am not engaging in a belief or faith. It’s utterly absurd to call the lack of belief in something a faith,since that is exactly the opposite thing.

          • richard

            Bravo!!!! Well Said!

          • Gene Husky

            I find it hard to believe you would agree that believing in God is just a weekness.I need to pray for you and your kind.I hope I am there when you are judged.I won’t laugh though,but I sure will pitty.

          • Denniso

            I never said that a belief in any god is just a weakness. I think it’s more complicated than that. We are mostly all born into a religion,and in this country that is mostly Christianity. If you were born in India you would likely be a Hindu and belief in the Hindu gods. Most Pakistanis are born into and accept totally the Muslim religion. I say the power of suggestion,when what I mean is being born into and then being indoctrinated by one religion or another, and then having most of the society reinforce and support the chosen religion. It works quite well,since most of the world has it’s distinct religions and only 15% or so have no belief.

          • Denniso

            Hey Richard, thanks for the ‘applause’…

          • Denniso

            I forgot, Gene,how are you going to be there when I’m judged? Are you some sort of angel or demon? And, I’m ‘judged’ every day here on earth,by co workers,family,friends,customers,strangers. I think I’ll have had enough judging by the time I’m dead…no need for anyone else to do it. And again, I marvel at how you people are so sure that you know what your God is ‘thinking’ and planning to do. How is that possible? The one book,written by mortal and flawed men?

          • http://Idonothave Edward Cantizano

            God do not exist and I agree w/ Cathy.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The cool thing is Cathy, you will get your chance to stand before the throne of Jesus Christ, and tell Him how phony He is and how phony the Bible stories are. You know, the ones that show us that no matter how messed up we are, that God still loves us and can use us to do wonderful things, if we just let him. And I will tell you this, He is real, and He does exist, because He lives inside of me. And He has a world of wonders waiting for you, but you havent received them yet, simply, because you havent asked. Its that easy.

          • Vigilant

            Denniso says, “So called atheism is not a faith anymore than the lack of belief that humans can fly like birds is a faith.”

            Denniso, I can prove that humans can’t fly. You can NOT prove that God doesn’t exist.

            It’s not comfortable to find out the truth, but it’s there for all to see.

          • Denniso

            If you understand any logic at all you should be able to grasp this. If an idea or theory or belief has NO evidence to support it,then you can say that is a ‘proof’ against it on the basis of a lack of any evidence. Just because some ‘believe’ in something,anything,that belief doesn’t give the idea any substance or existence,beyond the person’s mind. So the lack of any credible evidence to support something is essentially a ‘proof’ against it.
            If you take a case to court and you have no evidence,what happens? The case is thrown out. That is essentially the proof that there is no merit to the case. There are people who believe there are ‘vortexes’ of energy swirling up from different areas in the world that we can tap into spiritually and rise to new levels of transcendent existence…these vortexes always seem to appear in ‘cool’ or ‘chic’ palces like Sedona or Santa Fe or India. Now there is no evidence that such things exist at all,but millions of people ‘believe’ in them as strongly as people believe in their particular god(Allah,God,Krishna…). So would we say that just because many people beleive in vortexes that must mean they are a fact? They are then real? I doubt you would say that.

            I don’t care if people want to believe in any sort of god, as long as that believe isn’t harmful as sometimes is the case,but to try and say it’s a truth and a fact outside of their mind when there is no proof whatsoever, is what is nonsensical. Keep your belief in whatever you like,but don’t show a complete lack of reason by trying to make it a general truth for the world when you have nothing at all to back it up with.
            With all due respect,a book written thousands of yrs ago and heavily edited by church leaders, and full of contradictions, does not count as ‘proof’ in the modern world where we are no longer living in the dark.

          • Vigilant

            Denniso says,

            “So the lack of any credible evidence to support something is essentially a ‘proof’ against it.”

            That’s what we’ve been trying to get through your thick skull about socialism, dummy! There’s an abundance of evidence to prove that Capitalism works, and VERY little on the opposing scale to prove that socialism is a viable system. Case closed.

            As for logic and philosophy, I’ll run circles around you.

          • Denniso

            Do you want to run circles around me or discuss issues in a intelligent and civil way? No one advocates a socialistic economy and no economy in the world,our included, has a free market w/ no aspects of ‘socialism’. It’s not one or the other but a blend of both. Aspects of ‘socialism’ that you probably favor are the socialized military. Would you advocate a privatised defense system that only protects those who can pay for it? The same goes for police and fire protection…we could have totally privatised police forces and fire depts, again serving only the people who could afford to pay for it. Does that make sense to you? There was a story a month ago about a town somewhere in the midwest that does have a fee based fire dept,and people who don’t pay the monthly fee don’t get their house protected. The fire dept went to a house fire and watched it burn down because the homeowner hadn’t paid the fee. Is that an example of capitalism and free narkets that you support?
            Roads are built and maintained for the benefit of all and for commerce,and it is obviously a ‘socialistic’ endeavor.

            Capitalism doesn’t and has never existed in a pure form because it doesn’t work w/o some aspects of control and ‘socialism’. Part of the issue is that people don’t always understand what real socialism is… Having the gov’t own the means of production. That is fundamentally different from having the gov’t,as the people coming together,do things that the ‘free market’ can’t or won’t do…like national defense.

          • Vigilant

            Denniso,

            I’ve seen your paltry arguments before in the recent attempts of the leftists to paint national defense, police, and fire protection as some sort of socialism. This, I assume, is to try to “tenderize” or acclimate correct thinkers into a line of “thinking” that accepts the false notion that socialism has been with us since the founding of the nation.

            Laughably, you switch gears in your posting when first you try to fob off national defense as a form of socialism (“Aspects of ‘socialism’ that you probably favor are the socialized military”), and then contradict yourself by asserting that socialism “is fundamentally different from having the gov’t, as the people coming together, do things that the ‘free market’ can’t or won’t do…like national defense..” You need to make up your mind, sonny, as to which side of the argument you are on. Only a fool would be blind to the logical contradiction you posed.

            National defense, for your information, has never been nor ever will be considered a form of socialism. The natural right of self defense was ceded to the Federal Government as one of the very few powers given to that body as a result of the Constitution. The Founders, had they known of that insidious concept called “socialism,” would have laughed you out of the room when you called it a “socialized military.”

          • Vigilant

            You may wish to expand on your definition of socialism as “Having the gov’t own the means of production.” If you are to include police, fire protection and the military under the heading of socialized ventures, I would be most interested to see what means of production are owned by fire districts and police departments, in your mind.

            “There was a story a month ago about a town somewhere in the midwest that does have a fee based fire dept, and people who don’t pay the monthly fee don’t get their house protected. The fire dept went to a house fire and watched it burn down because the homeowner hadn’t paid the fee. Is that an example of capitalism and free markets (sic) that you support?”

            Get your mind straight. The populace had voted to privatize the district. The homeowner KNEW that if he had a fire, he wasn’t covered. He was simply whistling through the graveyard, making a calculated bet that he wouldn’t have a fire. He knew what the rules were, and he knew what the consequences would be. He was, in short, gaming the system to save a few bucks.

            Now, if the FD had fought the fire, THAT would have been socialism in action. The cost of FD resources would have been unfairly redistributed amongst those who had the foresight and responsibility to pay their fees. Kind of like the taxpayers funding education, hospitalization, etc., of illegal aliens.

            Perhaps you would advocate that everyone fail to pay their auto insurance until they have an accident…

          • Denniso

            Do you actually agree w/ traines firefighters,trained at taxpayer expense as well,standing by and letting a house and all that’s in it burn to the ground because a fee wasn’t paid? That’s what’s wrong w/ much of privatization. We don’t know why the fee wasn’t paid or whether it could be a clerical error or whether the person could afford it at the time or not. It’s patently inhuman to let a home burn down over an unpaid fee. That would be like not sending police to the scene of a house invasion if the homeowner owed back taxes or pays no taxes…inhuman!

            Or should we privatize the military and then only defend those who can pay a thousand or more per month? It doesn’t work and is utterly uncivilized and that’s why countries don’t do it. If we want to go back to the wild west and uncivilized days before then, there are many things we can do to make this more of a dog eat dog society. Why bother w/ a judicial system and all it’s cost,for instance? Let literally everyone settle all disputes w/ guns…criminal,civil, whatever. Is that the kind of country that the most hardcore of the right really want? I seriously doubt it.

          • Denniso

            Sadly, I missed Vigilant’s first very enlightening comment above…
            Most people who rant against ‘socialism’ include pretty much anything that the gov’t does for the benefit of all w/ taxes paid in involuntarily by citizens. Of course that’s different than the technically accurate definition of socialism,which is the gov’t owning the means of production. Nevertheless,the connection between the two is very real as it is the gov’t using citizens money to do things for the greater good that the market won’t or can’t do.

            If you don’t want to call the military ‘socialistic’ then what is it? Certainly not privatized or market based or capitalistic. How about communal,or communistic? What gov’t does w/ our money for the good of the country,fire,police,defense,roads,sewers,water treatment,schools and more are by definition socialistic as in ‘social’,and done for the social good.
            The problem w/ much of this argument is that the rightwing has villified certain words and warped their meanings. All communities of people from tribes to countries, do some things in the common interest and use resources and money to accomplish it. These efforts are social,communal, or ‘socialistic’. Being afraid of words is no way to make and define public policy that works.

          • Mary

            I used to think like you many years ago. I had a personal experience with the Creator (God) because of him a still alive. I may not be sure about the rest of my life but nobody will make me change my mind in that matter. My husband think all things about the Creator is pure mitology. I respet their opinions. I’m very happy I’m sure about his existence because I have inner peace. I smile when I have troubles because I believe he saved me for a reason. I know one day everybody will find out he is real and eternal.

        • Mary

          I agree we should use the Bible as a personal guidance. I believe in God. When I was young I have a NDE. I don’t like to talk about it but make me believe for sure in one thing: there is a Creator (God)no doubt about it. Religion is a curse and the Politicians use it to create division in the masses which are ignorants. That benefit there greedy agenda. If you have time read Eclesiastes 8:9. The most dangerous men hate the creator. I think they just want to be like him ex. Lenin, Marx, Mao, Fidel Castro and more. I think we have to respect each other and stand together because we’re loosing our freedom every day. Both ( Rep. and Dem. ) are raping the Constitution. They are just Bastards. I keep a big smile daily no matter what, because I’m sure one day the Creator will have the last LAUGH. Mark my words.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes He will. The first time He came to serve man. And He was rejected, beaten beyond the recognition of a man, and hung on the cross. A lot of people miss that part, that it is written, that He was beaten so bad, He was beyond recognition. And its my fault, I brought this upon Him. We all did. Me, my humaness would be so pissed at someone that caused me this. But not this One. No, He gladly endured it, for me, for all of us. And when He comes again, which He said He will, and which He will, its not going to be like this, this time. No, He is coming to make all wrongs right, and to judge the living and the dead. A lot of folks are in for a rude awakening, both those who do not believe, and a lot of folks who will purport that they do believe, but they have no clue in reality. I mean satan himself believes in Him, he has seen Him. Anyone think he is going to Heaven? No, it is written, he is going to be thrown into the lake of fire. And all the phonies who cry Lord, Lord, He will not hear their cries, and will say “be gone, I never knew you”. And I know exactly how this works. 12 years ago I would have told you I was saved, and I would have been kindling wood. I knew the Bible stories, and I had read the Bible, and I would have told you I knew Jesus. But I was a liar. I knew “of Him”. I read the stories about Him. But I didnt know Him. I had never asked Him in to my life at that point, and hadnt yet surrendered my life to Him. I have now, and I know for a fact where I am going, because when you do this, only believers will know this, your eyes and ears are truly opened, and things are revealed to you that non-believers cannot fathom. They cannot understand it. It is just words to them, instead of a cosmic happening that is of God, and not of man. When its revealed, oh yeah, its revealed. And you know. And judging by your comments Mary, you know exactly what Im talking about. Your eyes and ears are opened. Now we need to go out in the world and give this gift to others, but they themselves have to make that step, we cannot do it for them. That is between them and God. Have a great day.

      • http://SpeakingofGangRapes Bob M

        JeffH, it is the Constitution itself that has been gang-raping us since its inception in 1787. Any government that rules apart from the law of God may be defined as a tyranny, and such is the U.S. Constitution. In Article VI, Section 2 the Constitution blatantly declares itself and the “laws of the United States made in pursuance thereof” to be “the supreme law of the land.” This was in total opposition to the rule of God’s law enshrined in the colonial constitutions.
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        As far as Im concerned the greatest gang rape/ponzi scheme ever enacted upon thte whole human race is religion, ALL religion! Some where in the far reaches of the past, before history itself, some tribesman decided the he had had enough of hunting and gathering. He convinced his people that he was the mouthpiece of whatever god they worshiped and as that was a full time job they would have to provide his food and shelter. The Pope himself is nothing more than a philosophical descendant of that person. Down through the centuries societies, countries, empires have grown or been destroyed over religion. Genocide has been commited by god fearing/loving men over somethings as small as eye or hair color. The greatest thing the Constitution did was to try to separate religion from governance, not to remove religion from the people, but to remove it from controling the people. To rule apart from the Laws of God is actualy to throw off the laws of the mouthpiece of god be he shaman or pope.

        • FireMall

          Tell ya what, You put your Faith in your “So called” fellow man & I’ll stick with the God that has no self-serving reasons to deceive his Believers , Or, My fellow man.
          Your rant against a Higher Power is Totally uncalled for, especially when it’s as obvious as rain coming from the sky that “We The People” are being led down the path of destruction by all in Dot Gov , including the Trojan Horses in Gov & the unknown realms of the Power base that are claiming to be on the “Constitutionally” Guaranteed side of Freedom .
          I see absolutely “NO” True allegiance to Freedom in any Gov sponsored events that have occurred for many years , even when the “Appearance” of Integrity & Honor are Present regarding those in power.
          I.E. Proof of the Trojan Horse concept / Agenda, of Deceiving the Masses.
          The God I Love & Worship Has & Never will be the Deceiver that you say “HE” is when one’s Heart is guided by God From Within.

          • Keith

            You are really lapping up that koolaide, aren’t you there FireMall! LOL I can’t believe there are people who still hold onto those childish beliefs so tightly.

          • Gene Husky

            You hang in there Firewall..I am 1 million persent on your truth

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You sir are so correct. Its sad that guys like Keith and denniso and Kathy and Bob M are so in the dark, that they cannot actually look around and see God, as evidence of Him is everywhere. While man continually lies to them and leads them down darker and darker avenues, there is Jesus Christ standing there, with arms spread, waiting to unleash an unending Love on to them, and they reject it, in favor of letting man continually let them down and lead them amuck. And that is exactly what man will do. Man is fallen, and will continually fail. Those that put their faith in man are so screwed. He will fail them miserable. Only one said, “I love you this much”, and spread His arms and took the nails on the cross. These same unfortunate souls that call this “stories” and “fallacy” and the like, believe in the existance of Julius Caesar and Nero, yet there are more original texts written about Jesus Christ, than both of these guys put together. Yet they fully believe these guys exist, but try to say Jesus isnt? Amazing. The evidence is everywhere. And the Pope, well he is just a man. No better than you or I, just like any other person. I find it appalling that they put him on a pedestal and he plays God and has people kiss his ring. People actually pray to the guy. Sorry folks, rude awakening to some, but he is just a guy. He is going to die, and get buried and the worms will eat him like the rest of us. He cannot save you. And religion is a bad word to me. I dont practice religion, that is done by everyone. I practice Christianity, which is different than all the religions of the world. In Christianity, its God, Jesus Christ, is alive and well. All other so called religions, their founder or their god, is dead and buried in the ground. If their god is dead, what useful purpose can it possible serve? If their god cannot beat death, I guess he didnt really have much going now did he? But Jesus Christ lives, and holds the keys to life and death, and only by His name, no other, can we be saved. There is only one true God, Jesus Christ, and He will come again, and He will lay down His judgment on man this time around. I would seriously hope you all are ready. And for those of you who at that time are locked in to your aimless beliefs in yourselves, He will show you the utmost love, and give you the desires of your heart, and send you to a place where you will never hear His name or be bothered by Him again. That is called righteousness. You will reap what you sow. Have a great day, and please think about it. And do yourself a favor. You say you dont believe, but your just saying it. Do some research, and call Him out. Ask Him to show you if He is there. You will be amazed at what you find if you truly seek Him. If you do, you will find Him. Then your cup will runneth over with blessings. I guarantee it.

          • Denniso

            Sorry to tell you this,but I assume you’re a grownup and can handle it…almost every single aspect of Christianity was taken from earlier so called pagan religions. If you cred to find the truth you can easily research it,but you won’t. And,Christianity is a religion,just like all the others. All belief they are unique and the only true one. If you had been born in India you would be saying exactly the samr thing about being a Hindu.

        • Keith

          Bravo! Well said! Religion is the bane of intelligent, civilized society. It fosters bigotry and totalitarianism and is one of the most anti-American concepts around. I don’t know how many people I talk to that say “this country was founded on xian principles!” Really? What principals? You mean slavery, treating women as 3rd class citizens and total resistance of logic thought? Maybe, but I like to think we grew out of that, just as our forefathers hoped we would. Well, most of us. The others are still holding on to their delusional fairy tales.

          • Richard Pawley

            A number of atheists here and above seem to have a problem with belief and faith. I believe the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights are the foundation for the greatest form of government that has ever existed on this earth (if applied) but I also have faith in the basic tenants of the Bible and Christian teaching. I once believed that the church I grew up it was ‘the way and the truth’ but once I accepted what Jesus taught and experienced it there was a transformation in my spirit. Some things that were very important became less so and others that had never entered my mind (or if they had I simply dismissed them) became important. Some simply can’t believe that there is a God who cares because they had such a rotten father and the notion of God the Father is negative for them. Others want to do what they want to do, no matter who they hurt. Their god is their ego. Some have been wounded so terribly that they have been deceived into the delusion that our whole existence is a mere celestial accident and that we are no more important than an amoeba. However, for those who don’t believe but would like to do so my advise would be to keep seeking because he who seeks finds. However, it may take abandoning cherished prejudices and things we don’t want to give up but that will be between you and God once you know Him. However, those disingenuous people who make fun of the faith of others, even if it is misplaced, are only harming themselves. Some have fought hard to acquire the little faith they have. Faith is a gift from God, not all have it, but any who want it, who want to know the why of it all, will discover this, to their own satisfaction at least if they are persistent and sincerely seek God with all their heart. It might happen overnight or it might take years but we are talking about forever here. The safest way to do this has always been through the basic principles that are available (with some study) in the Bible, not some secret rituals that are requirements of most cults. Now if you want to lord it over others then you are wasting your time. Even the bible says there are many false prophets and false shepherds. Most Christians and even Christian churches don’t believe all that is in the Bible but that is their loss. I was blessed in that as young as three I had the gift of faith but I did not believe as I do today because I did not have the knowledge and experience to back it up. Today I could say (but usually don’t) that I don’t believe, because my experience has taken me beyond belief, to knowledge, but first I had to believe and then grow. “But there’s so much to learn,” an elderly British woman told Jesus about 80 years ago, and He replied, “What are you complaining about, you have forever to learn it!” (from the Classic Christian paperback GOD CALLING). How, I should point out that if I did say ‘I know’ that would not meant that I know it all! Only God does and anyone who things they do are probably in a cult. One of the dangers for skeptics and non-believers is that the Bible says that one day there will be a world ruler who will be able to call down fire from heaven and he will be able to do things no one else has been doing and he will declare himself to be God and many will be deceived. He is also likely to be a world banker of some sort because the Book of Revelation says that he will require all to carry his mark IN their wrist or forehead and that not even a king will be able to buy or sell without it. This is likely to be a micro-computer but that remains to be seen. The Bible even warns about those who accept this mark and the current RFID chips appear to be cancer inducing so even atheists should not run to get these when they first are required. Those who believe in the Bible and what Jesus taught may not have it all together but I would rather be in their shoes knowing God will eventually set them straight than in the shoes of any who simply oppose God or worse yet don’t even care enough to oppose him. Jesus had strong words for the apathetic. In any event don’t criticize those who are not as wise as you intellectually (not you personally -I’m speaking now in general terms) but who have the simple faith and trust that Jesus admired because Jesus chose a motley crew of mostly common men to be his original twelve and only Paul who came later was what we might call a PhD today. Paul was originally vehemently opposed to Christianity until God set him straight, but even the devil in hell believes in God – and trembles! If you didn’t see it above, a website that might set you thinking is this one, something I have known about for a generation: http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

          • Ron

            Hi Keith,

            Wasn’t it the Religion of the Founders of the Constitution that guided their
            morals and allowed them to write a document that has made the US a World Leader
            for OVER 200 years?
            What is wrong with electing people of Good Character and believing that a handshake was as good as a legal document… because you could trust the
            other person?

            Allowing People to be the Boss of Government has proven to far exceed the
            benefits that are bestowed when the Government is the Boss of the People.

            The Constitution does state the the Rights of the People are enshrined
            and that the Government can not take away what it has not bestowed.

          • Shibamom

            There’s nothing delusional about understanding that there is a power higher than yourself. It’s a very difficult feeling and thought process to get across to others. I always believed in God but I also didn’t believe in God. I know…sounds weird, but it’s true, I think, of most people. It isn’t until something life changing happens and you begin to think/reflect on life when you realize that there is something more powerful than you and that there were signs of it all along…you just didn’t pay attention. I understand your thoughts concerning the Christian foundations of our forefathers and our country. I mean, after all, who writes “…all men are created equal…” when there were thousands of men, women, and children in slavery? And, yes, women were also treated like vessels for sexual gratification only and were considered to not have any brain power at all. I also feel that those who are really, really religious do go off the deep end and end up spewing hate and predjudice, both black and white. Sadly, the word of God does get misinterpreted by man. The realization or awakening of spirituality must come from within; from one’s own heart.

          • Christin

            Well said, Richard Pawley, well said.

          • Keith

            God created us for his purposes. He gave us choice to chose him.

          • Allan Halbert

            Forget the specific semantic differences of religions. If you look at the core, it is a moral framework and potential. That is what religion provides, and in my opinion, what Progressives lack and seem to want to avoid. How well anyone applies the moral framework is up to the individual’s free will, and that’s where most of the differences occur. You have the same free will to apply to your education – your “knowledge” framework. Obviously some folks use their education to do good things, be industrious, etc, and others don’t. You wouldn’t condemn the validity of education; perhaps you shouldn’t condemn religion for the same reason.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You have prostituted the truth and told outright lies. First of all, treating women as 3rd class citizens? Are you kidding me? In Christianity, we are told “to love your wife as Christ loved the church, which He laid down his life for”. So if we are following Christ, and do as He taught us, and us husbands put our wives first, and put our lives aside for their betterment, just how is that treating them like a 3rd class citizen? You are gravenly mistaken, or you are practicing some false religion, whose leader is satan. Bigotry and totalitarianism? In Christianity, all are treated equal. Christ doesnt see people in colors. There is no black, white, hispanic, asian, indian or whatever. We are all children of God, none above or below the other. We are not above others, we put others above our selves. As in Philippians 2:3-5, where we are commanded to put others needs above our own. So again, you are rationalizing some false religions and somehow dumping Christianity in there. It is different than all other so called religions. Christianity isnt a religion Keith, its a following of the one true God, the Lord Jesus Christ. The One who was, who is, and who is to come. Christianity isnt a religion, its the way, the truth and the life. No others can do that. So if you have actually read the Bible and actually know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, you would realize these things you wrote, are all a lie, or that you were talking about other false religions that do these things. In that case, I would have to agree with you, that false religions are like this. But not Christianity. No sir, and I have proved that with God’s word out of the Holy Bible, which says quite the opposite of what you have said. Have a good day.

      • Glenn

        Get real Oliver………Jeff is right! I Love God , and I love Freedom ….And in this country it seems to me I can have neither ? To arms is all I can see as a viable answer, unless of course you prefer to live as a slave….I vote and it is overturned , I shout and no one listens , Maybe we can divide this country in two and let the Idiots have their side and we’ll take the other….and be damned if they step over the line!

        • Shibamom

          I hear ya Glenn!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You know Glenn, I think it may come to that here one day soon. And when we separate it out, and those liberals who seek to empower the enemies of us, and take the money from us workers and give it to the lazy bums that dont want to work, they can stay over on the sinking side, and live in the bed they made, and those of us that have always worked and been responsible and taken care of business, can be on the successful side where all is good. And admittance will be done on a case by case basis, where those who truly are needed may be welcomed in, and those who have proven they wont work and want hand outs, can just stay over there on their side. Id be for that.

          • Denniso

            I’m glad that you think it’s OK to take your money and give it to the wealthy defense contractors and other big businesses…

      • DaveH

        I think Oliver is one of those right-wingers Bob warned us about.

      • AMJ

        Don’t you think the Constitution of the US was inspired by God? You are absolutely crazy to think it wasn’t. Why do so many of our countrymen want to get rid of that cumbersome piece of paper that gives the people so many rights, and why have so many other governments tried to model it. The founders of this nation were a God-fearing, God-loving people. They modeled our laws after the Bible.

        • JC

          And tyranny…don’t forget the tyranny part.

          • Dan az

            JC
            What is the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Simply put, it is the “secret government”. This agency has powers and authority that go well beyond any other agency in the nation. What can FEMA do? It can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and can hold them without a trial. It can seize property, food supplies, and transportation systems. And it can even suspend the Constitution of the United States.

            When the first concept had been presented, its original mission was to assure the survivability of the United States Government in the event of a nuclear attack. It’s secondary function was to be a Federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters. These disasters consisted of earthquakes, floods, and hurricanes.

            The “secret” black helicopters that are reported throughout the US, mainly in the West California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Colorado areas are flown by FEMA personnel. It has been given the responsibility for many new national disasters such as forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. It works together with the Sixth Army in the West.

            A series of Executive Orders (EO) was used to create FEMA. It does not matter whether an EO is Constitutional or not, it becomes a law simply by being published in the Federal Registry. These orders go around Congress.

          • Ron

            Hi JC,

            The only tyranny I have seen in the last two decades is that which has come with
            “Fundamental Transformation”

          • JC

            Dan you make a good observation. I’ll bet eithger of us could write a book on all the usurpations of power and the removal of our rights and liberties.
            Now that the Constitution and Bill of Rights have become the biggest joke in DC…should we maybe start referring to America as the USSA?

            Or do we see what’s behind door number 3?

        • hflashman

          AMJ….it wasn’t “inspired by God”..it was inspired by several books…the Rights of Man and Common Sense (Thomas Paine)being foremost. The Wealth of nations by Adam Smith being another. The Founding Fathers, being well read and educated were influenced heavily by the philosophers of the age and abhorred the very thought of religion intruding into givernance of the People, by the People, for the People (to quote Lincoln). The problem is…today we have the wacked far right and the GOP leadership from Reagan onward stating such quote by Lincoln meant three different sets of People.

          The Constitution did not ‘give’ us any Rights. Rather, it states quite clearlymthat government is given its powers by the People, and without the permission of the giverned, it has no power. Read that document. It spells out what government can do…and provides for expansion of powers to the government oly when the people give it.

          The other problem is that many of the Far Right let fear and the cowardice of protecting their own hides short term allowed Bush /Cheney cabal to trample all over us to the point that today, no matter how much the push is towards reversal of the fear created usurption of power … reversal of that travesty and treasonous action is going to be very difficult.

          • Keith

            YES! Thank you, thank you for seeing what the forefathers obviously had in mind. I can’t believe how many of the wacky Right want to infuse their god into everything that is ever said or done. This country was founded on freedom, not theocracy. It is so simple and obvious, but the religious right just refuse to see that.

          • DaveH

            For those who are smart enough to not take Flashman’s word for anything, here is a link to the Federalist Papers:
            http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

          • DaveH

            And here is a link to the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution:
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/index.html

          • Vigilant

            Keith says, “This country was founded on freedom, not theocracy. It is so simple and obvious, but the religious right just refuse to see that.”

            People like Keith will never understand that there is a middle ground between theocracy and secular humanism. To claim that we want a theocratic form of government is ridiculous, and they know it.

            They also deny the voluminous record of the writings of the Founders, in which the religious aspect of a moral society is encouraged and nurtured. The Enlightenment philosophy upon which we based our government was a philosophy of Natural Rights, and it was a body of thinking that was most eloquently expressed by John Locke, a Christian.

            Of course this country was founded on freedom. We hold these truths to be self evident, that man was endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pusuit of happiness. Keith, would you expunge “by his Creator” from the Declaration?

            The Constitution has little meaning outside of the Declaration of Independence, and its reliance on the Deist belief in Natural Rights, combined with Christian morality, is what made us the greatest nation on earth.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Vigilant, great post sir. Great post.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Bush-Cheney. Bush-Cheney-Bush-Cheney-Bush-Cheney-Bush-Cheney. Give it a rest flushman. Its over. They are gone. They kept you safe. They spent to much. They left us in better shape than when they took over. They fought a democrat congress. They spent too much. They kept you safe. But they are now gone. Get over it, pull up your big girl panties, and get over it already.

          • Vigilant

            Thank you, sir! And a happy new year to you.

      • Bob Hauser

        Creature of the human mind that it is, the Constitution hath its faults…and no one, very much including Ollie Woods, knew that better than the Founders of this nation who spent over 100 days struggling to craft it. Why else do you think they incorporated Article V into the Constitution to provide for ORDERLY and reasonable amendment as and when rationally deemed necessary to correct whatever faults may then have existed in the Constitution? I have defended the Constitution all of my life and have lost plenty doing it and I know that like all else of the human hand and mind, it has its imperfections….but you, Oliver, are suggesting that this Constitution, regarded to this very day among legal scholars and jurists all over this globe as the single greatest Corpus Juris ever conceived in the history of mankind, a masterpiece whereupon the Freedom Charters of a horde of other nations have been closely modeled, should be unceremoniously relegated to the dung heap of forgotten history and replaced by a morbid and murky emulsion of jewish pornography, bald faced pathological lies, deranged fantasies, gross self- and mutual contradictions and general hogwash with a few gems of wisdom larded in to make it more marketable to the drooling masses?….an absurd document, purported by its jewish authors to be the “immutable word of God” that has been rewritten at least seventeen times since the alleged Ascension and which according to the Encyclopedia Britannica has had no less than 15,000 significant changes (that’s one Hell of a mess of mutations in the “immutable” word of God, now isn’t it?) made in it since the original Vulgate Edition was compiled at sword point by Nicomacean bishops in 313 ACE under house arrest ordered by Emperor Constantine who murdered his own wife and nephew?…a Codex for the senseless slaughter of over 200 million innocent people some of whom had hot molten lead poured down their throats for refusing to believe in its psychopathological and suicidal teachings and among whose black heritages was 500 years of the Dark Ages which made the clocks spin backwards?

        I’ll tell you, Oliver….it is what the late but truly great Tom Bly of Seattle once referred to as pernicious, parasitic, pulpit pounding perverts like yourself and far too many others such that appear on this thread way too often that are an integral part of the curse and none of the cure. I have no more regard for you than I do for that narcissistic chocolate jesus desecrating the halls of the White House right now by his mere presence and proudly carrying on the nation-rape of his white trash predecessor, George Bush.

        For the record, I am not a churchgoer and never intend to be: one of the greatest essays ever written by a Founding Father of this nation, Thomas Payne, entitled AGE OF REASON, openly and flatly condemned both judaism and CHRISTINSANITY alike as implements of oppression and plunder and the proof of what he said abounds throughout mankind’s largely squalid history above which he and his fellow statesmen wished so fervently to at least attempt to elevate this nation they handed down to us. Yet he was no atheist…he, as I myself, believed in or at least maintained an intellectually and morally open a mind as humanly possible to the existence of a supernatural entity or being in our lives. As for myself, I consider it well within the realm of possibility that upon this earth two thousand years ago there walked a man people called Jesus the Christ who could and did in fact perform miracles such as healing the blind….so called “modern science” does not know all the answers…in fact they haven’t even confronted a pitiful fraction of all the questions yet…but nonetheless, there is some truth to what the jewish nut job, Mordechai Levi (you obviously would not know him other than by his alias, Karl Marx), said when he made the observation that “religions are the opiates of the mind”…well, Christinsanity certainly has proven to be in your case.

        It is because of jesus-freaks and bible thumping lobotomy cases like you that we have lost our once free nation and all of our Constitutional rights, Oliver. Pride yourself in that this Christmas Season.

        • DaveH

          Leader will use any wool handy to pull over the citizens eyes and thus keep them placated. For many centuries that wool was composed of religious fibers. Now the wool is created by scientists, news media, and other entities beholden to Big Government.
          The natural progress of things is for Liberty to yield and Government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson.

        • Keith

          Okay, I had so much fun reading your post that I laughed out loud! I could not have said it better myself. Thank you for standing up to people who wish to push their neandratholic superstitious fairy tales down our gullets.

          • Dale on the left coast

            Keith . . . wasn’t it you who believed Al Bore? Now there’s a “Religious Lot” . . . a Judge in Britain even said so.
            All men follow their own religion . . . you sound like an athiest, since you can’t prove the non existance of God . . . you have to “Believe”. Never mind, you’re in good company, didn’t the athiests kill ove 200 million in the 20th century.

          • DaveH

            Everybody has their own belief systems. When it becomes a problem is when we attack one another for our beliefs.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          No sir you are obviously so confused. The dark ages, were people who called themselves Christians, but they werent, no more than you are. Christians love people, and put others first, just as Jesus Christ did, thus the term, Christians. Christians are followers of Christ. To do what they did in the dark ages, was not Christ like, therefore, just how could they be truly following His ways, yet doing quite the opposite? Ever think about that? Of course not, youve never been a church goer. To understand, one must first accept Jesus Christ as His saviour. Without that, the Bible is just a book of meaningless words. You cannot possible understand what your reading, when the book comes from God, and you must have God in you to possible understand it. It was written as a guide for believers sir, not for unbelievers. It is our guide, and when the Holy Spirit enters you, it opens your eyes and ears that you are able to receive Gods word which is written within the Bible. Without that, its just a book. And these changes your referring to? These are called translations, because unfortunately, we speak and read english here, and no one would be able to read the Aramaic and Hebrew texts. So it was translated into the Greek, then into English. And the versions such as NASB, NIV, The Message, etc, are not changing the content of the book. They are changing the terminology. For instance, the King James might say “Thou shalt had not goeth there”. The NIV might say, “You shouldnt go there”, and The Message might say “Dont go there”. It says the same thing, just worded different so that its more easily understood by the different way people talk and receive things. The content is the same. Your just looking to pick a bone, and you obviously are an unhappy person. That comes through in your posts loud and clear sir. Very loud, and very clear. I fully understand why, as I was that way until I was 40 years old. Believe me sir, I do fully understand where you are at. I walked there, like I said, for 40 years. But yet, you sir, have never taken a step of where I am now, as a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet you see yourself fit to judge all of us, by what some did hundreds of years ago. Gee, isnt that kind of like making yourself god over us, that you can judge us? I think so sir. And by the measure you judge, you will be judged yourself, not by me, but by the real God. I dont judge you, I know you, and I know where you are, because like I said, I lived there 40 years. I fully know all about it. And Im telling you, dont lay judgment down on something and people that you know absolutely nothing about. When this country hailed God as something special, and considered him in all they do, we were doing great. Its from the time we started telling Him we didnt need Him, that weve started circling the drain, you know, where man has taken the helm and decided he knows better than God. This is the slippery slope we are on now sir, and its going to get ugly. So one day soon, you just might want to rethink your position. Because like I said, with 40 years of knowledge of what Im talking about, the grass is a lot greener over here sir. And Im not ever going back to that wasteland. Just a thought for your day.

          • Robt Hauser

            Beberoni…in the first place, all of our lives are based on judgments. I have as much right to judge you as you me despite your claim to “knowing the Lord” and all this other flatulence…and by the way, just because I have no use for jesus freakers like you doth not make me an atheist. Classic nonsequitur and about par for the course for your ilk.
            The jesus freaks who burnt the Temple of Alexandria to the ground destroying and wiping out of existence altogether a half million volumes of Ancient Knowledge and who brought us the Dark Ages and who are trying to reduce all of us to abject lobotomized servitude “in His name” today were of the exact same mindset as you have shown yourself to be…you speak of “God”…whose “God”? H L Mencken listed over two hundred anthropomorphic “gods” up there in history each of whom could command at least two million followers…in 1977 there were at least 700 recognized religions throughout the globe and you are telling me that I “must” accept YOUR “Lord”…let me tell you something, Beberoni…there are only two things I “must” do…I must shit and I must die…and if this “all loving” “Lord” of your sends me to the double bottoms of Hell for having the courage to ask questions and demand straight answers, then “He” sure as Hell isn’t worth wasting a beautiful Sunday morning in a dank and morbid church worshipping.

          • Denniso

            Even if I were a believer I couldn’t imagine giving up more precious life time to sitting in a building on Sunday after working in a building all week. How people do it is amazing to me and i know they would be better off taking a hike in the woods for the day and communing w/ nature.

      • Dick Gazinia

        This sounds like the Taliban – the Christian equivalent of Sharia law.

        Read more about Patrick Henry and his attitude about religion. It might open your eyes.

      • Iam

        Oliver, you are demented. You know nothing about the Constitution and the founding of this country. You know nothing about today’s defenders of the Constitution.

      • nickwolf

        John Baeynor was crying tears of joy, because he hit the jackpot! Now he can get three times the payoffs and gladly instead of having to sell himself to the banks. Its truly his dream come true….he’ll be super rich instead of just wealthy!!
        its enough to make a grown man cry!…yes he did!
        Behold the “no nothing ignoramus Congress”. They have no new ideas, no plans to make things better…just witch hunt progress made. When they were last in power we say what they do when in control..starve out the middle class…. Luckily for the Country they can’t pass their stupid proven failed economic policies. We just got out of the hole that they dug for us. No regulation makes for robber baron banks and wall street to kill America!…..and they’ll do it again, in a heartbeat, now that their favorite pony boy is in charge of Congress! Thats why Beahnor cried, they were tears of joy, he just hit the jackpot. He got money from the bankers promising to stop everything they did not want. ( all the fair shakes for the average Joe) Before he could only promise….now he is closer to being able to deliver the destruction of American Economic might to them! He’ll get triple kickbacks now….enough to make a grown man cry!….oh thats right he did! Now, instead of being wealthy, he’ll get super rich. its what he’s been waiting for all his life….the chance to sell out America…its his payday! We on the other hand, like his home State of Ohio, will be in poverty if he gets his way. Take the Tea Molders measure and see if they can stop the Banks or Wall st. from destroying them and their children. So far their in lock step …..which makes them just sad corrupt Crony capitalist Republicans looking to feather their own nests at Americas expense. Lets see if their any different. Of course they will blame the poor, not the rich. Blame Obama, not the insurance companies. Blame America not the oil companies. In other words be as crazy as human beings can be….and as wrong as any in the history of the Country. Then…after they hurt America ….we will vote them out! Why are they there? With no policy except hate? Jobs lost were lost by Republicans! They are not coming back! Only investment in new industry will help rebuild America. The new Tea Molder in Ohio already cancelled the high speed train project, costing thousands of new jobs which would last for ten years…some forever! He just erased them. The factory that Spain was building to build the new high speed cars ( perfect jobs for laid off auto workers and other skilled machinists) ….is now gone! … and he’s just got there! Poor Ohio…more to come…poor America more to come!

    • hflashman

      After acceding to the government intrusions into our Rights, Liberties, and freedoms since 1980, now … just now are people on the wcked Right waking up. Lulled into complacency by Reagan as he talked his soothing lies, then scared for their own skin by Bush II allowing their own safety to be paramount in sacrificing our Rights and freedoms …

      When it was brought up as a fear during the past 20 years, the fear was denigrated, the speaker denounced as “unpatriotic’, and the message trashed. Now they (wacked right) want to call up the bogeyman since it feeds into the robotic commands of their Masters. Jeesh …

      Just goes to show once again…the Right doesn’t care about our Nation…they care only what benefits them in the short run at the time.

      • DaveH

        Flashdunce,
        Your words might mean something if we didn’t all know that you are just a Liberal Zealot who uses every opportunity to bash Republicans ,who are indeed complicit, but unlike Flashdunce would have you believe, they are not acting alone.

        • hflashman

          Dave…my words mean nothing. Your complacency if not total support for the Bush Regime and being a lackey for Reagan is what has meaning. What warnings and statements you were denigratng and calling “unpatriotic’ a few years ago… are now coming home to roost.

          You got what you have asked for and demanded. And you blame the Lift and the Modrates…when the blame is on you and your unquestioning robotic support for policies which “protected’ you and your skin…but in your cowardly acquiesence then, you ceded those very Rights, freedoms and liberties you sy are being taken today. Wake up…you gave them away because you acted as a coward would…and allowed your own self-interests led by fear overcome the interests and security of this Nation. And now you are saying “oops”.

          Glad you are finally recognizing what Reaggan and Bush II did to us. Since you have proven untrustworthy in protecting this Nation’s interests…get back with the mob and let the leaders lead us out of this morass you put us into.

          • independant thinker

            “thibbbbbbbittttttttt” Bill the Cat

          • DaveH

            You know, Flashdunce, that I never have supported Bush. Yet you accuse me of same because that is the Liberal way – unsupported and fabricated facts. And you know that the problem now is Obama and the Liberal Democrats (and many Liberal Republicans), so why should I dwell on the past as you do?

          • Vicki

            Unlike HFlashman most of us have noticed that the Congress and Presidency is completely controlled by Democrats.

            If democrats were really our friends they would quite easily wipe out all the supposed evils of previous administrations and congresses.

            They instead go fast forward and hopefully wake up Americans both democrat and republican. More and more are finally learning that the 2 parties are fast and slow but both are for big government.

            Both parties were recently given by the voters complete control over Congress and the Presidency. Democrats even given super majority and still they march toward bigger and bigger government. Democrats much faster cause they know not of patience.

            The obvious solution is for all of us to switch to the libertarian party and vote them ALL out. Then we can see if a libertarian Congress and Presidency is really for the people.

            Vote Libertarian. Its the only way to be sure.

          • Keith

            Hey Flashman, just to let you know, I’m a Republican. Not all of us drank the republican coolaide. You are so right that so many people bought into the idiocy of the Republican party. I think it had a lot to do with religion. Religious people see what they want to see. They hear someone talk about their belief in god and they vote for that person, no matter how dishonest and disloyal they are. I guess the Religious Right are so used to believing fairy tales that they can’t tell the difference.

            As I like to say, I’d vote for a Republican, if I could just find one to vote for! (Preferable one that isn’t delusional and don’t believe in ridiculous, superstitious fairy tales)

          • Keith

            Vicki – You are correct. Libertarianism is the only way out of the mess this country is in. You mentioned that Democrats don’t dismantle the government because they don’t want to. It appears you think that is part of their party line? I would say that it isn’t and never has been. Democrats have always been for big government and social systems. People yell and scream about Obama being a socialist. Well, DUH! That is the democratic line! MORE SOCIAL PROGRAMS!!! My biggest problem is with the Republicans. Their party line says “less government!” and yet whenever they are in power, government just keeps growing. And you are right in that more government means less “good” for the people. More government means more government control which mean less freedom for you and me. Simple as that. I agree with you that we should give the Libertarian party a chance. The Demipulicans have screwed up this country long enough, let’s kick ALL the bums out!

        • JC

          LoL…looks like ya got him going Dave!
          Reagan This! Bush That! Blah blah blah.
          This isn’t your high school political history debate Flashboy!
          It’s here and now! Right Now!
          Get a mitt, get in the game or go back to high school and debate all you want. Let the adults deal with the issues of the day.

          • eddie47d

            Maybe if there was less name calling from Dave H. then Flashman could be less testy with him. Dave always labels liberals and Democrats as commie marxists, with no morality. So he likes to use his own unsupported and fabricated facts to support His agenda.

          • DaveH

            Ok, Eddie, I will call you a name (but a well-deserved one). Liar. Find a single one of my comments where I called anybody a Commie Marxist (or even a Commie, or a Marxist).
            Any of the regulars know who the purveyors of fabricated and unsupported facts are. One of them is you Eddie. But I understand that coming from a Union thug.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, I’ll proudly take full responsibility for the “commie Marxist” remarks without any regret whatsoever.

          • eddie47d

            ..and a union thug too Dave! or is that a socialist,marxist,liberal,commie union thug? Must be!

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        FLASHMAN ON TARGET
        1945 to 1981 was 35 years of Equality and creation of Great Middle Class which is necesary in a Democracy.

        1980-1% owned 20% Total Financial wealth
        Reagan gave 1% a 60% Income Tax Cut.
        In 1989 1% owned 36% for 80% increase in 8 years.
        In 2009–1% owned 43%
        2001-2007 1% took 66% of total income growth
        1980 to 2009–1% got 281% increase in income and middle class got 25% or less than inflation

        In 2009– 120,000,000 workers owned 7% of total financial wealth
        Their income had no increase in real dollars since 1979.
        They stayed afloat via debt.

        Wall Street Rich own
        BIG COORPORATIONS
        BIG BANKS
        BIG MEDIA
        BIG CONGRESS
        BIG WHITE HOUSE

        • JeffH

          Well it’s obvious once more that CLARENCE the professional socialist leftist blogger has no choice but to choose HFlash as his dancing partner. Remember to swing low with your commie babble after you two execute the pirouette.

          • hflashman

            No comment on the stats there JeffH? Ignoring reality are you?

          • JeffH

            …has nothing to do with the Bob’s article, Commie boy!

          • hflashman

            Ummm Jeff. Hate to tell you this but it has everything to do with today’s article.

          • JeffH

            Hmmm, first thing first…don’t tell me any of your your commie lies!

        • Vicki

          If democrats were our friends they would dismantle big government. What would stop them? They have a super majority and the Presidency. They don’t because they are NOT our friends and never have been.

          • Shibamom

            I agree with you Vicki…to a certain point anyway. I honestly do not believe that ANY politician is our friend. They may go into office with great intentions but once the “old farts” indoctrinate them into the “way of doing things” AND, of course, all the special interest A-holes sitting there expecting all their favors to be done, then the new guys and gals just go along to get along! Plus, the greed and power goes to their heads and they now begin the rape and pillage of their own countrymen. It’s sad and frightening.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Give it up flushman. Everyone knows, that all politicians are corrupt on both sides of the aisle. We also all know that those on the left are totally morally bankrupt, that they believe in murdering infants in their mothers wombs, in rewarded perverted homosexual behavior, and that they are just plain evil dudes. This is the left. While on the right, though they are a mess themselves, they at least purport a belief in God, do not agree with murdering babies, and value country and family 10 times as much as the left wing democrats do. So stop your lying pal. The two party system is soon going to be a thing of the past, as the Libertarians are starting to get their stuff together, and they will be the party of the future, and I believe your left wing liberal democrat party will be the one to soon disappear from the landscape. Now that will be a better day indeed.

    • Larry DeBerry

      Isn’t it interesting how each of us can find ways to divide our country but when we actually get attacked we put away our differences and come together. There will always be those that will decent for whatever reason. If someone comes into your house without permission would you complain or even fight or would you say it is okay? If someone came up to you at your dinner table and said you can’t eat certain foods would you be upset? If someone told you they knew how to raise your children better than you, would you tell them differently? If someone said I will decide for you because I know more than you would you just relinquish your rights to them?

      Isn’t it time we looked at how things like Marxism, Communism, and totalarism came to be in our world. It starts with taking away the individuals rights so that a group of people can dictate over our lives. The foundation of our country was to make sure that indivdual rights were protected. Those who choose group over the individual are those who want others to control our lives. The individual has the choice to give charitably to those they feel are worthy of that charity and not let someone else make those decisions. If they wish to send their children to private schools because they feel that the public school system is inadequate to educate their children then that is their choice. When choice is taken away from the people so is their individual freedom to choose. I for one expect to keep my individual freedom. It was because of my freedom that I was able to go from being poor to having an opportunity to excel in whatever I chose to do. Today I am not rich in the way of money, but I am rich in so many other ways because I have had the freedom to choose. By putting in my two cents is also a freedom I have to excercise in our wonderful country. God Bless The USA!

      • Vigilant

        Excellent words, Larry.

        “Isn’t it interesting how each of us can find ways to divide our country but when we actually get attacked we put away our differences and come together.”

        We are under attack now, but the left is blind to it. Now is the time we should be coming together to fight this onslaught on our individual freedoms, but a badly misguided faction sees nothing of the peril to our way of life.

        Those who are not misguided, but who know full well what they are doing to this country, reside by the thousands in schools and universities across the land. They are the enemy, much worse than the foreign foes who show their colors. They are the slimy communist professors who somehow see a future in tearing this nation down, under a devious guise of promoting “social justice.”

        • BDOG

          vigilant,you are right we know who the real enemy is. i say lets get it on now. it”s not if it’s going to happen ,it”s when. every day they seem to make it harder for the public to defend their rights and property. soon they will control the net to keep communication to a minimal.

          • Gene Husky

            BDOG…
            They just passed a law to control the internet..

    • http://www.kjnf.net Jimmimac

      has anyone ever filed a class action law suit against the congress? If not then this is a good time to let those dumb bastards in Washington know that “WE THE PEOPLE ARE PISSED”! this law should be sued in court and removed, screw Monsanto, the bastards want us to eat their crap produced by chemicals, let them eat it. Some one please start a suit against this law, where are all the concerned rich people who want to be known as real Americans! How about any real American lawyers!

    • http://Illinois'17th William

      Well JeffH, in the coming months we shall see if our libertys will begin to be restored. We still have a lot of worthless Republicans in congress, and in power. November was not the end of the war, just the first shot over the bow. There is a revolution brewing in the “fly-over” areas that the vast majority of these clueless elites do not comprehend. I have a strong gut feeling this revolution will expand, shall we say, beyond the ballot box. When these dirt-bag garden snoops begin poking around in our business the concept of going green will become a reality as they are recycled inot garden fertilizer.

      If these Republicans can grow some stones in January Little Barry will be gone in a hurry, arrested, jailed, tried, convicted for this massive fraud perpetrated on our country. We will at the same time get Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin and Hoyer for their participation. This will go far into both parties at the highest levels and nation-wide. We will ultimately need to run the gallows 24 / 7 for quite some time.

      • Shibamom

        Did you know that Obama was voted the most admired man in America by Time magazine or some other BS magazine????? I almost pooped my pants when I saw that. Seriously???? The most admired man in America???? I find that so hard to believe. I was also watching MSNBC the other day (I know…big mistake) and some guy was talking about how Obama doesn’t look too bad in his bid for re-election. Meaning, of course, that he will most likely win another term. I honestly don’t understand how these people come to these conclusions. The anger, resentment, and disappointment that I’ve read in other people’s posts about Obama is so obvious in everyone’s posts. This man bald-faced lied about every damn thing to include where he was born! I was always taught that if you had a secret that you didn’t want anyone else to know, you go to great lengths to hid it forever. Didn’t he do just that??? If you are innocent, then you have nothing to hide, right? If Obama is elected for another term, we are absolutely screwed!!!

        • Denniso

          The fact that you can’t understand how Obama,and Hillery Clinton as most admired woman,is the most admired man in the country and probably the world, just shows how out of the loop and clueless you are. You belong to a fringe group of haters who have little support from the more sane mainstream in the country. Obama is a virtual shoe in for 2012,so get used to it.

    • Johnny Glock

      The quotations from the past are justified today as they were back than.
      BUT–BUT–BUT what are we going to do about it ?
      Are the American people really the “SHEEPLE” they think we are ?
      OR–OR–OR are we the Americans our Fore Fathers hoped we would be ?
      I took an oath back in 1963 to defend the U. S. Constitution against all enemies “Both Foreign and DOMESTIC”. And today I am an OATHKEEPER.
      How many of you “so called Americans” will join the Oathkeepers.org ?
      Let’s stop TALKING THE TALK AND START WALKING THE WALK.
      If there are not enough REAL AMERICANS out there than just stick your head up your Butt and go home. You don’t know how to fight.

      • Robt Hauser

        Johnny Glock above mentioned “Oathkeepers”…..well, no sooner did I learn of “Oathkeepers” over a year ago but did I shoot a check for forty bucks in the mail and join. Nary a word have I heard from them since…is that the way such groups fight to uphold the letter and spirit of the Constitution? Well, I don’t… as always and as I have done all of my adult life and further back, I will continue to fight for the Freedom Charters…but it sure as the damned Hell isn’t going to be as a member of “Oathkeepers”. You only do that once to me…then look out, bro.

      • Daniel

        I agree with the article. When will we wake up?

      • Cretin 04

        just rec’d my American Community Survey…they need to know what my status is for home ownership, how much $ I make,who lives with me, how much I travel, why, and pages of questions. Do I have to respond…do I need a lawyer? what can I do to avoid answering these very intimate questions???

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

        Wiselady Says:
        1-3-11

        Thanks, JeffH and to all others who concur.

        Love of God and country does not exist in our schools. I was informed that I could not say in the classroom that America is the greatest Country in the world with the most beautiful great flag. Education has done more harm against our Constitution with the liberals in Congress and the White House; for decades they have marched along with the robotic, thinking liberals and ignorant citizens believing that there would be, ” a chicken in every pot”, as one past president quoted. America is in big, big, trouble because of complacent attitudes when it comes to being well informed on economic issues, education, social issues, border issues.

        Let’s just keep the heat on Democrats, Republicans and Independents to qoute the Constitution’ relative to the bill they want to pass before they vote on it. We shall see comedy of interpretations.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

        Wiselady Says:
        1-3-11

        Thanks, JeffH and to all others who concur.

        Love of God and country does not exist in our schools. I was informed that I could not say in the classroom that America is the greatest Country in the world with the most beautiful great flag. Education has done more harm against our Constitution with the liberals in Congress and the White House; for decades they have marched along with the robotic, thinking liberals and ignorant citizens believing that there would be, ” a chicken in every pot”, as one past president quoted. America is in big, big, trouble because of complacent attitudes when it comes to being well informed on economic issues, education, social issues, border issues and how to vote. the chaos we saw in Alaska should not be the standard norm. Let’s put in a better way of voting with some strict rules when it comes to National Elections. It is disgraceful how we take such a privilege lightly. It does not honor those who died to preserve such a precious gift.
        Let’s just keep the heat on Democrats, Republicans and Independents to qoute the Constitution’ relative to the bill they want to pass before they vote on it. We shall see comedy of interpretations.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

        Wiselady says
        1-3-11

        A great big THANK YOU TO ALL KOREAN VETS AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR GENEROUS GIVING. I was in high school when that war took place and the worst mistake was to divide Korea as North and South. My father predicted we would live to see missery in the North and it came true.

        I met an educated man, Dr. Richard Wurmbrand who was imprisoned in Siberia for 14 yrs. because he was a a Jewish Christian Minister. On his way out on a stretcher, near death, a guard told him, “if you go to America, they will not believe when you tell them how we tortured you”. In 1966 he testified before the U.S. Internal Security Subcommittee about his inhumane treatment in Communist prisons. As proof of his torture, stripped to his waist to show 18 deep torture wounds on his body……some refused to believe that a human being would ever treat anyone as he was treated. I saw the wounds when he came to my church. I had the privilege of getting to know him. He was a remarkable man. One could never forget him.

        God cured him of TB and he and his wife lived lived to organize, Jesus to the Communist World, later renamed, Voice of the Martyrs, The Voice of the Martyrs,www.persecution.com. Now it is one of God’s strongest instrument around the world serving the persecuted Chritian churches. His book,”Totured For Christ”, has sold all over the world in several languages and has become a classic. Additional information is: tortured for christ.com/remember.

        ’53Korea Vet, I honor and salute you for you dedication. Your efforts were not in vain. THANK YOU. Dr. Wurmbrand was 92 when died in 2001, a year later after his wife, Sabina had died. Their son Michael is still living and carrying on his parents’ legacy.

        • Denniso

          If God cured one man of TB, why doesn’t he cure the millions of others suffering so terribly? Are they all bad and this one man was good? Why did your god inflict humans w/ so many devastating diseases for thousands of yrs before they even knew what the diseases were or how to combat them? Why did your ‘loving’ god create viruses and harmful bacteria that inflicted untold suffering on HIS children for thousands of yrs before we even became aware of them and there danger?

          Your fairy tale of one man being cured by your ‘loving’ god doesn’t stand up in a kindergarten class.

      • nickwolf

        In order to give an oath to a document, you must first study it and read about the founders and what they did! It’s not “your” document…it belongs to all the people…and deserves honesty!
        The Federal Government was given broad powers…to be overseen by the Supreme Court…..and thats just what they have been doing. Five times it is said, just so nobody would construe that fact differently….like you propose to do now! I can fight too, just as my first son has done for 5 yrs in the Middle East! But, to have uneducated, theocracy based rewrites of America…..is not what we fight for! We fight ignorance!
        Bush eliminated and castrated food inspectors for 8 yrs….and every month their was a new food catastrophe! People died and nobody cared? Is that your point? No regulations? No rules? Thats just not reasonable! As far as Corporations running the Government….they have for 40 yrs….where have you been! The only ones that “no regulations” help is our rulers…not us! We need Government to do what we individually can’t….like fight Wall st. or the Banks! Thomas Jefferson stated it ” I hope we shall crush the rich companies that even now threaten to overtake our young Country”

        I love it when “Constitutionally illiterate people say ” a proper reading of the Constitution”. Then they find out that the founding fathers in writing rebuke their opinions! Then of course they want to “change” certain amendments to the Constitution….the ones they don’t like…because the founding fathers in their view also “were activists”…and got it wrong? No, they didn’t…..You did…again!
        The Government does have the right to tax and do the business of America….period! How else could they govern??? ….and its in the Constitution! The “Whiskey Tax” is how they payed the French back its loans for fighting the Revolutionary War!!!! People against it, who flew the “Tea Party slogan” were surrounded by George Washington and with the first use of the militia were put down by bayonet !
        Insurrectionists leaders were put on the gallows, nooses around their necks, drums rolled and then pardoned! President Washington was the largest whiskey distiller in the country at the time, so the tax affected him most! He called it “treason” and said that it is “not the protest of a tax by a King, but an act of the duly elected representatives in Virginia”, it is therefor “the law of the land”!

        President John Adams passed into law a “mandatory Health care tax” to be taken out 10 cents out of Seamans salaries and paid to the Government for the medical care guarantee for seamen! Failure to do this would result in a fine of 100 dollars to the ships owner! This was the beginning of the payroll tax!! So the founding fathers didn’t write or read their own document correctly/?? Give me a break! They knew it was a “living document” …there were amendments to it right after it was signed! Alaska’s State Constitution framers who are still alive say the same thing and say that the new Governor and Sarah Palin are wrong!!! This from the men who wrote it!!

      • CUZIN ERN

        We are what we are; not what you want us to be, so go pack your bags and get your unholy asses out of this country…

    • nickwolf

      And of course replace the Constitution with who’s?…..yours?
      No thanks! Preaching Patrick Henry about the King is an ignorant thing to do! He was talking about the King…just like the Boston Tea Party!!!
      But, George Washington said “this is not an edict from a King, but, the tax from the duly elected majority in Virginia, it is therefor the “Law of the Land”. He then marched 13,000 man militia from Virginia to Penn. and put down the fake tea party sloganeer Whiskey Tax rebellion at point of bayonet! People who speak in forked tongues like this were recognized as the traitors they really are….by the First President and founding father of America! and framer of the Constitution you want to change…..it will never happen!
      During Shays Rebellion Washington put the rebels on a scaffold,put black cowls and nooses over their heads,rolled the drums….counted down ….then pardoned them for the misinformed fools they really were!
      This from a real patriot…who was at the time the biggest whiskey distiller in the Country…so the tax affected him most!
      Why do fake tea baggers always distort history? and call for violence? because their FASCISTS! They want a Theocratic minority to rule the majority….thats not Liberty….they have that in Iran!

      • Dale on the left coast

        Put down the koolaide Nick . . . the fascists are in the WH . . .

        Some comments from the past . . .

        “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”
        Joseph Stalin

        “One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths are a statistic.”
        Joseph Stalin

        We must remember that U.S.S.R stood for ‘United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic’ and also NAZI was an acronym for ‘National SOCIALIST German Workers Party’.

        Barack Obama is a ‘Cult of Personality’ leader who wants Marxist/Socialism to replace Capitalism and Free Markets in America.

        “The goal of socialism is communism.”—Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924)

        “National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a new world order.”—Adolf Hitler (1889-1945)

        Winston Churchill once said, “If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

        • Robt Hauser

          I get the biggest yuck out of these people who try to lump Hitler and Stalin together…in the first place no one…I mean NO ONE on the face of this earth, and most particularly in the “freedom loving” US of A, fought more courageously on the streets and everywhere else against bolschevik (i.e., “right wing”) communism nor did more to drive it from and protect his country from same nor had more success doing it than Adolf Hitler flatly despite whatever other character defects he MIGHT have had. I have read MEIN KAMPF in its original German which I don’t think anyone else on this thread has and I don’t recall seeing anywhere in those two books (MEIN KAMPF is two books in one volume) where he mentioned anything about National Labor Socialism being crafted to establish any “new world order”…I do recall, that both he and his PR minister, Goebbels, grown extremely weary of other European nations hounding them about helping them “fight communist terrorism” flatly stated that “National Socialism is not a product for export”.

          Hitler wanted each nation of Europe to be able to trade with any other without being tied down to a jewish manipulated gold standard such as had prostated Germany postwar….that is hardly “new world order” which is a strictly jewish concept….the dissolution of all nations together with their culture and heritage and the reduction of all of us to “sameness” and “equality”—i.e. all of us being equal to ZERO…Huxleyan gamma-minuses in mute and mindless servility to and in a jewish Disneyland. By the way…it is not New World Order, it is New World ORDURE…and the New World Order has a distinctly Third World ODOR. And it sure as the Hell isn’t German.

          Why don’t some of you have the intellectual courage to read MEIN KAMPF?….if you don’t know German then read the one and ONLY one authorized English translation by Murphy (March, 1939) instead of some fraudulent jewish “version” like that tendered to the public by the late senator Alan Cranston of Californicate (sure where else?) and for which he was successfully sued. Then after you have read it, get on this thread and expound about Hitler all you want but at least first get educated about the man so you know what the Hell you are talking about.

          • Denniso

            I’ve read Mein Kampf…Hitler was scum and insane.

        • nickwolf

          There are a lot of “Socialist” entities in America! It’s just a word!
          My Dad took a course in it at Ohio State in 1938. It doesn’t mean Stalinism or Communism. Government runs the V.A. …which constantly gets better marks than private insurance compay run hospitals! Govt runs Fire and Police….you want that privatized?
          Get a grip on yourself! Government does need reigning in…I am with you in that regard….but reigning in from Multi national rich Corporations who will enslave us. We must take care in following their attempts to ruin all those who would fight them and make our lives better….Like President Obama has done! Look beyond the purposefully planted fear and see the facts.
          Health reform need to happen…Republicans did nothing for 60 yrs…..finally somebody did…and you want to give your own win ….away? Debate with facts not slogans! The rich PR firms know exactly how to own you! How to make you vote against your own best interests….and it begins by these fake fear shouts about Communism and other “the sky is falling” nonsense. Were not ever going to be Communist! Obama is an American. He is not the Anti Christ……stop this delusional thinking!

    • Carol S Key

      Since this is no longer “one nation under God…” as our pledge says but one nation under the long, manipulative, and controlling arm of corrupted power-mongering men, we will go in the direction of all other great civilizations in history. Our difference was our founding (on faith),and that is precisely what has protected us past the implosion limit of two hundred years. If we cease to recognize our uniqueness among nations (as is occurring in this administration) we serve to remind history that all free societies controlled by men will topple when the ones in control realize they can legislate their own perpetuity or at least their own belief system!

      God save us from our own self-destructive greed!

      • nickwolf

        Which God is that?….yours?
        No! We are a secular nation of laws…that defends all Religions!
        Thats why we have never had a religious war here! Don’t you get that. Even Billy Graham said he made a mistake getting envolved with Government. Religions thrive in America…because we leave them separate and equal under the law. Keep your own individual God … to yourself…and don’t falsely interject him into American Government! It would be disastrous …. for religions!

  • Vicki

    Bob Livingston writes:
    “And when they (The American people) finally awoke they asked that Congress work together — compromise — and reach a bi-partisan agreement; never realizing that when liberty and tyranny compromise, more liberty is lost.”

    I like the way Barry Goldwater put it in his 1964 speech.
    “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9buEI8SgwU

    There of course can never be compromise with tyranny. Good article Bob. I just hope the obvious actions by these elite wake up enough people to be able to use the first 3 boxes efficiently to rid us of this now rapidly spreading tyranny. We will rid ourselves of it. We will NEVER give up We will NEVER surrender.

    As they say in certain branches of the Military. “Failure is not an option.”

    • marcel duranleau

      US Corporation De Facto Gov’t is EVIL GREAT BABYLON.Revelation 18
      God ask us to come out of her. Check : ORIGINAL vs US Corporation Gov’t
      http://www.usavsus.info Republic july4,1776 has been dormant since 1868. Thank God He did restore Our Great Republic lately. God is Great.America claims your freedom becomes a member and a founder Republic De Jure
      Gov’t. http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/ “We are not a nation,but a union,a confederacy of equal and sovereign states.”US Constitution Art. 4 Sec. 4 Par. 1 —REPUBLIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. (NOT A DEMOCRACY).Where democrat party comes from? What a fraud.America gets your country back.Come out of that US Corporation De Facto Gov’t.REVELATION 18:4 “Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.”-Thomas Jefferson.” Bible says RESIST ALL EVIL.God bless you all.I am a Sovereign Being of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      I’m so glad you quoted Barry Goldwater, (the last meaningful conservative). His comments on Nixon (and by inference Reagan) were directly on point. Bob Livingston has finally caught up to where Alex Jones, Jim Marrs, etc. have been for the last several years in regards to the FDA, Monsanto, Archer Daniels and other big Agri. This legislation prohibiting citizens “growing their own” S510, also known at the Food Safety Modernization Act, is an abomination. The fact that that not one Senator ,Democrat or Republican opposed it is a scathing indictment of both so called liberals and conservatives.
      I’ve been considering starting up a guillotine manufacturing shop, somehow I suspect they’ll be a heck of a market for my product shortly and I’ll be able to put some people back to work.

      • Dr. Mabuse
        • Dr. Mabuse

          Alex, yeah he’s a good ol’ boy and when he gets off on a rant it is kinda tangential. But I like ‘em ’cause he’s got some gumption and by and large he’s sure of his facts before he engages his mouth.

      • Vigilant

        “I’ve been considering starting up a guillotine manufacturing shop…”

        I think a true American Revolution would be better than a French Revolution. What came after the Fr. Rev. was more repressive than what they replaced.

        • Dr. Mabuse

          Come on man…
          Can’t a guy leave his tongue in his cheek for a little while longer?
          Point taken on dem frogs, but how ’bout Toussaint, Desilines and Pition, thehy served up a pretty good revolution for a short while.

      • Ted Ackman

        Wasn’t the “Brady Bill” passed in much the same way??!!!

    • Robt Hauser

      Goldwater would have sold this country out to the “fed” and put us right straight into the crapper where we are right now just as rapidly and zealously as all the rest in the scatosphere called “American” politics have….in Dante’s Inferno, he has one of his characters saying that the hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in time of moral crisis” far more eloquent than anything coming out of Goldwater and long before him.

  • Ken Bittner

    Failure is not an option at this point.
    They all gotta go. Period.
    And at this point I don’t care how it happens.
    Think about that.

    • Al Sieber

      I agree, 100% Ken.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      As the brothers say:
      Real Talk.

    • One Man

      Sad, but true. If we truly want our country back, it is time to act. Talk is cheap, and false bravado seems to be rampant. Who will stand up? How much do we really care, and how much is merely wishful thinking? The enemy grows stronger day by day as our freedom is nibbled away. We will awaken one day only to discover that it is too late and we are hopeless captives in our own country. The point-of-no-return is fast coming up and we must do more than whine and wait.

      • nickwolf

        You “funny soldiers” make me laugh…and cry at the same time!
        Do you really think you can defeat the U.S. Army with assault rifles?….silly rabbits…like to play with guns!

        You win in this Country by good ideas and working policies that benefit We the People….not by threats!

        These comments prove the points being aired about the Arizona shootings….not that it was anybodys direct fault….but the atmosphere of fear is being created by these unthought out diatribes!

        Ask yourself one question, Before the falsely named “Tea Party” and Sarah Palin, Jan Brewer etc…..does anyone remember people openly carrying assault rifles to a town hall meeting?….or shouting down speakers? or using Second Amendment remedy threats if they didn’t get their way? Did a doctor ever get shot in his Church for performing a surgery that has been legal for 58 years? the list is endless, If your answer is no….then thank the Tea Party and Palin etc….for the violent atmosphere they began and still revel in! If your answer is yes….then prove it!……Case closed! The Devils spawn belongs to the devil!……this is obviously what you want, so , why hide from it….admit that you want to overthrow America and make it over in your own image. Don’t talk about it…sick ears are listening…just do it so we can hear from you no more….I’m sick of unhelpful comments. What would Health Care reform look like if Republicans did it??? Oh! I know….nothing…because thats what they did for 60 yrs….nothing!

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      yES! WSA OWNS ALL OF THEM.
      CONGRESS AND WHITE HOUSE
      I always admired Max Baucus Chair of Senate Finance Committee.
      He stunned me when his first act on Health Care Reform was to take public Option off the table.
      70% wanted it.
      Then, I saw a report where his Campaign Kitty had $1,990,000 from Health Care Insurers.

      $$$$$$$$$$$ BUYS $$$$$$$$$$$ CORRUPTS

      WSA $$$$$$$$$$ OWNS
      Major Corporations
      Big Banks
      Big Media
      Congress
      White House

  • old white guy

    do american’s have the courage to do what is necessary? i doubt it.

    • http://N/A H.D. Hemmings

      I think some Americans are awaking to the fact that tyranny must be met with adequate force and I hope so. Both parties seem intent on destroying this great country through the Cloward & Piven strategy ( Read about it ) When we have 67 lawyers in the United States Senate, what else can we expect. Lawyers, by definition, represent clients. And, while I personally know a couple of hundred lawyers, they tend to represent the clients with the most money. Obviously, this is not the American people but rather unions and the like.” Old white guy ” is correct and may God be with us as we begin this nation’s historic struggle against tyranny once again. I think we still have the energy, desire, and ability. But, this fight must begin at the polls as we must go in waves in 2012 to rid ourselves of the politicians on both sides of the isle who seek to feed at the public trough while the rest of the country goes unfed. And, we all know, there is more than one wage to wage war against the Constitution’s enemies. But, we must at least begin at the polls.

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        H.D… I doubt that the polls are going to save us now. God is our first resort, as He should have been all along. I am sickened at thinking it is going to come to a real war between the haves and the have nots. If they all got to go, which it seems it has to be, we better be clinging to our Bibles and our guns. We’re going to need both!

        • JC

          Not a war between the “haves and have nots”…but a war between the Globalists (and their agents) and We the People.

      • BobbyB

        As much as I would like to agree, I can’t. In 2000, The Supreme Court installed GWB as president. I wish the “Champions of state rights” were as adamant then as they are now. In 2004, GWB was again Selected. One of the main engineers of the vote rigging in Ohio, Michael Connell died in a mysterious plane crash. Quite a few people with lots to say have gone that route.

        I’m so glad Bob has FINALLY stated that both sides are to blame and our main enemies are corporations. Our “Candidates” are hand picked before the primaries. What else could explain having Mc Cain and Obama as runners for the big seat?

        It’s going to take the guillotine factory approach and the people with the courage to use them. The French are hated by many Americans but they had the balls to say enough is enough. We’re not settling for cake. It’s ironic, but many of the financial woes of the French came from helping a new country across the sea wrestle freedom from tyranny~

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear BobbyB

          FINALLY? BobbyB, I have been writing about this for years. Search this site, and go to my newsletter http://www.boblivingstonletter.com and see the archives there (subscription required).

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • FireMall

        @ H.D.Hemmings:
        IMO You have pretty much Nailed the Lawyer’s part of America’s destruction on their Lying ,Deceitful heads.
        I have come to the “realization” that Lawyers are solely Responsible for all actions against the Constitution “We The People” are now seeing.
        IMO, Attorneys are the Epitome of Deceit & self Serving events which “Will” lead America to “Her” final days as a Free Nation.
        FYI: In the early Colonial days of America, Attorneys were not even allowed to have Law offices in the City limits.
        Even the Fopunding fathers knew back then that Lawyers were no more than self-serving Truth Twisters

        • JC

          What we have today could easiy be described as a tyranny of “legalists”. These people have no morals whatever and are in the game strictly for self gain.

          Q: What do you have when a busload of Lawyers goes over a cliff?
          A: A good start! ;)

          • Palin12

            Q. How can you tell when it’s REALLY cold outside?
            A. It’s when lawyers have their hands in their OWN pockets.

        • Palin12

          I don’t vote for any politicians who have a law degree.

    • Al Sieber

      old white guy,I have the courage to stand up, and I’m not afraid to die defending my freedom, and I know there’s other people like me too. I think this year coming up (2011) is gonna be bad, the price of everything is gonna sky rocket, more people will lose their jobs and homes, people will get desperate, food shortages etc. when they come for the guns is when the SHTF, you’ll know then. all these politicians sold their souls, and sold us down the road.

      • Al Sieber

        I’m just waiting for the food police now, are they gonna fall under the Dept. Of Homeland Security? are there gonna be food “snitches” where they turn you in for growing a tomato plant?

        • Castaway

          You can count on it. The snitch will be your neibhor and has been for 20 years. Some piece of [offensive word removed] liberal.

          • One Man

            Study the evolution of Nazi Germany. Neighbors and family turning each other in for harboring Jews. I fear that we as a nation are sitting, waiting for some “sign” that things have crossed some definitive line. When we see the “line” it will be too late.

          • NO SPIN

            I SUPPOSE ALL NEO CONS ARE PERFECT THEY ARE THE ONE”S WHO
            STARTED TAKING AWAY OTHER RIGHTS THAN GUNS.

        • JC

          Al, we already have just such an organization, and it absolutely has Nazi Snitch implications. It’s called InfraGard. It is groups of local business owners who snitch to the FBI about whatever they decide is illegal or “unAmerican”. They are privy to information the rest of us don’t see and are therefore more prepared than any of us can be for national emergengies etc.

          Imagine…your neighbor who has an interest in a local grocery store ratting you out for growing your own vegetables.

          • NO SPIN

            Come Jan the Teabaggers & Pubs will takeover congress & there will
            be no change, probably worse. The whole political structure is
            corrupted, & beyond repair. There will never be a Political party
            that represent’s the people as long as political contributions are
            allowed to be given to politicians by special Interest. An example
            is S-510 look at the website that shows the money both parties go
            to vote pro s-510 & anti s-510 & the names of the parasites who got
            the money.

          • DaveH

            No Spin, all the political contributions in the world can’t force the voters to reinstate an incumbent. Taking away freedom of speech is not the answer, unless you want the electorate to be even more ignorant than they already are.

          • JC

            No Spin, I understand your contempt for the system and that the problems are in fact systemic rather than right or left.
            The capitol itself needs a huge disinfecting.
            But your use of the term “Teabagger” is a glimpse into your personal life that I personally find just as disgusting. Maybe in the bounds of good taste (lol) you could keep that activity to yourself. ;)

        • Vigilant

          Smith and Wesson insures against my crop losses.

          • http://none Mike

            Ruger and Winchester work too Vigilant. :) Mike L.

          • JC

            And one of my faves for distance shooting…the Remington 700.
            Followed by a Benelli semi auto 12ga.
            And finally a Kimber .45.

          • Palin12

            How about a Magnum 44: “the most powerful handgun in the world…if properly used it can remove the fingerprints”.

          • Claire

            I like my little glock-19, safe action system, 4.02 barrel–good for conceal and carry. The problem I have is that Illinois does not allow conceal and carry. We can put a gun in the glove compartment of our car, but it has to be unloaded.

          • JeffH

            All great choices. I prefer my Sig P226 nine as well as my 12 gauge x 3.5 inch Benelli SBE…and can’t forget my 20″ CMMG/Del-Ton 5.56 with the 3-12×40 ballistics compensating optics for those 400 yd shots.

          • Shibamom

            This is for anyone on this blog that owns a gun. How does one, who has never owned or wanted to own a gun, buy a gun today? I know there are background checks, etc., but how do you get the process started? I am frightened about the next few years and I live in a lower middle class neighborhood where the black to white ratio is about 10 to 1. Plus, a Gov’t subsidized housing development (low income housing) butts up to my development. Please don’t anyone take this as being a racist, but I am concerned if there ends up being riots over food, etc., I might end up in a world of crap because I live alone…and I’m white! Like I said, please don’t think I’m racist…I am far from it. The vast majority of those living in my development are actually quite ignorant of what’s going on in our country. They are also supporters of Obama. So naturally, should I say anything negative about the annointed one, then I am a racist. I’m concerned because should folks be trying to rob me blind…or kill me for a scrap of food, I would like to know that I went out shooting and taking that sorry B_ _ _ _ _ D with me!!! The only thing is I don’t know how to get the process started.

          • JC

            Depends on what state you live in.
            Go down to a gun shop…they’ll tell you all you need to know.

          • Palin12

            I have a Springfield 9 mm. When the home invaders come I’ll be waitin’ for them.

        • Dan az

          Hey Al
          Samuel Adams, Founding Father & American Patriot:
          “… it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds ….”
          Thats what has been going on here but Im afraid its not working It appears option 2 will be the only way things will change.

          • http://none Mike

            Dan, The danger here is the goverment now owns the majority of force.We as a people have been effectivly disarmed. There are options for us but they take a bit of tecnical understanding.Computer warfare is a budding field. The Chineese have allready launched the first attacks in this new form of war. Just think of all the systems shut down and communications cut off and you will se what I mean. I am pretty sure this post will get flagged but what the hell it needs to be said. Mike L.

          • Dan az

            Mike
            Thats what I feel to, the grid will be the first and the communications next.When this does happpen then we will be assured that it is in play.

          • TIME

            Mike,
            As per the norm Great points again.

            I bet most of you are unaware that the ranks up to
            {NCO Swear an allegiance to Barry Soetoro,}

            Only Officer make such a pledge, and yet thats being worked on as you read this to be changed so that even thier pledge is to protect Barry Soetoro not the UPHOLD the Constitution.

            So wake up people; there will be no US Army to save you.

            They will hunt you down and they will kill you just like anyone they are told to kill, or you will be taken to a camp and killed by them there, so whats your choice, think you free?
            Your no more free anylonger than a caged rat is free.

            And come 2011 the hammer will fall on the Second Amendment too.
            The First is going on the board in Congress in 2011 as the FCC has already taken the first steps in taking away your right to voice your opinions. And YOUR Congress is going to sell you down the river on the Internet issue too.

            Can any of your Combat Cowboys figure this out? Your SOL.

            You all gave away your rights, you let your congress take them away one chip at a time, one small step, after the next, all the while you have sat back and watched FOOTBALL on the telie drinking a cold one and screaming about 100% total worthless stats.

            All the while you let your freedoms slip through your fingers and you sold out your childrens future’s for a few pieces of silver.

            “The Mind is like a parachute, it has to be OPEN to WORK.”

          • http://none Mike

            Time, Yea I see the pros for both sides have hit this string hard. Mr. Livingston must have stepped on some toes on both sides lol.

            The way I see it is this. We have people on this sight provoking a armed rebellion. While I see a point in being armed and ready. I do not see we the people makeing the first move. This will come stright from our goverment.I wonder if they stopped to think that it just might be us against the world on that one. You dont think for a second this guy in the whitehouse would hesitate to call in the UN troops?No there would be Chinese and Russian troops here in a heart beat. Then not only could we loose the battle of ideas but our country as a whole.

            My electronic warfare comment was made for a reason as well but many will not get what I am saying there.We as a whole have very little defence against a standing army. Not only a standing army but one that by reason of our govement restricting our second amendment rights. Is far superior in technology from any armed rebellion we might raise. But as every computer user out there knows a well placed virus can effectivly shut down a computer.

            So I guess I will be armed and prepared.But I will not let them draw me into a first strike mentality. That is exactly what they want. Mike L.

          • JeffH

            Mike, I agree 100% with this comment. “We have people on this sight provoking a armed rebellion. While I see a point in being armed and ready. I do not see we the people makeing the first move.”

          • Vicki

            We did not make the first move in 1776 we must not make the first move now. The Soapbox, Ballot box, and Jury box are all still operational if a bit sullied. Use them (Yes I know, we are :) )

          • Vicki

            Sorry. Mistyped. that would be 1775

          • Dan az

            Thanks viki for the site.
            The corporate power grab depends to a great extent on confusion, augmented by fomenting hatred – of Muslims by conservatives, and of conservatives by liberals taught to believe conservatives are racist hate groups. Each has been trained by government and corporate media to see other people as fanatic enemies to distract from what the government/corporations are doing which threaten everyone in common.

          • Al Sieber

            Got you Dan.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, I’ve been off the Grid for years, but I think you’re right. I have a couple of CB radio’s that have been “tweaked”, I can reach your place with them, plus a few old tube type radios, transmitters etc., SW, but if they jam communications you won’t get much info. except from overseas stations. I agree with you they’ll do that first, the Grid.

          • Al Sieber

            Mike, I’m not calling for a armed rebellion, I’m just not going quietly into the night. not going to any camp, detainment center etc. so is the U.S. going with a bang or a whimper?

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            One of my boys has a trucker cb and he gets out there quite a ways but like you said they will jam us so what ive been doing is collecting topo’s of our area and yours.So we need to make some plans together and the only way I see is that you and I get together soon!Ya its cold up here so bring a jacket!Like you said we have been off the grid for a long time now so power isnt an issue with us but communicating will be but back roads wont be a problem.

        • hflashman

          I’d love to know where this ‘food police” and government telling you what to grow clause is. Try as i might, reading the bill twice, it simply doesn’t exist. I think it’s right up there with the “death squads’ clause of the recent health care bill. Glenn Beck and his ilk made it up, and you guys believe it.

          The closest I can find to the so-called ‘food police” rant is sec. 101 which, according to the CRS Summary: “(2) require that each person (excluding farms and restaurants) who manufactures, processes, packs, distributes, receives, holds, or imports an article of food permit inspection of his or her records if the Secretary believes that there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to such food will cause serious adverse health consequences or death.”

          That could include your private garden, but not the major farms. Obviously the GOP reps and Sens weren’t going to go against Big Agri as they are bought and paid for by Big Agri…the the exemption came in here. However, Big Ag has other restrictions and requirements later on in the bill that may even the playing field a bit.

          Anyhows…from this clause above, I read it as stating if you are growing a garden over a nuclear waste dump … the government can step in and say ‘don’t grow a garden over a nuclear waste dump”.

          So….where is this clause that everyone is all hootin’ and hollerin’ about goverment telling you what to grow etc. ? (betchya no one can tell)

        • Al Sieber

          castaway, my closes neighbor is 6 miles away, and I don’t let many people on my property.

      • LTC (Rt) Ray Burke

        Keep your powder dry. If you don’t have any powder, you’d better hurry up and get some before it’s too late !!!

      • http://NA Bob from Australia

        i agree with u mate things are gonna get bad all because of greed and curuption and because the world is is in control of the wicked one

    • Jukebox

      I have said it many times before, and I will say it again: “WE ARE IN THE POT OF THE BOILING FROG SYNDROME”. That warm & fuzzy feeling of the warming security waters can ultimately cause your death.

    • http://Verizon Bud G.

      Yes. I have the courage and willing to fight to bring sanity back to our country and I believe there are millions like me ready to do so.

      Don’t just sit there and complain that all is lost, you are witnessing a ground swell that isn’t complete yet. When we rid ourselves of the current administration and left wing liberals, we will be on the road to recovery. One thing you can do is demand that every state have a workable identification system for voting because this is how the elections are being stolen.

      Why are you worried about the FCC? They can’t impose anything that the court has ruled against. Let them try and see how far that goes.
      We will also see if anyone is jailed because they don’t have health insurance. They won’t do this because they know can’t enforce it and I believe major portions of the Health Care Bill will be negated by the incoming Congress.

      Sorry Bob but I have faith that the American people have have recognized what is happening in this country and are ready to take it back. Just be ready to do your part.

      • DaveH

        We have the power right now to create a robust voting system that could not be tampered with. One where every voter can count the votes if he/she so pleases. One where every voter can check to see if his/her votes were recorded correctly. One where every voter can check to see if dead people, or convicts are voting, or if people are voting more than once. With the Internet and Database Technology, we can do that without sacrificing voter anonymity. But the Politicians aren’t going to implement such systems willingly. The people have to demand them.

    • Angelicsweep

      How better to control people than by their food? Do the American people have what it takes to stop all this? No, I don’t think so. We do not have the moral fiber that ran through our Founding Fathers/Mothers that gave them the strength to FIGHT for what was right. That moral strength came from God. Until we turn back to God and quit letting the left take Him out of everything, we as a Nation will cease to exist. God helps those that help themselves and I would go as far as to say that if we have to fight for freedom again, then that is what we will have to do. You can’t sit on your back side and moan about the corruption in our government…you HAVE to DO something. It looks like voting is no use anymore due to the fraud and corruption going on, so what is left? Giving up and giving in to it or doing something to stop it? If the Founding Patriots had done what we are doing now, the USA would never have come into being. Just as it was back then, we have a choice to make…FREEDOM or become slaves to the government.

      • DaveH

        Voting is of no use anymore? What about all the upsets across the country in the last election? Don’t throw in the towel so easily. It has been my observation that we (as a group) get what we think we want. Voter education is the answer and we have a long way to go, but more people than ever before in my lifetime are waking up to that fact, so I think there is much hope.

      • Jenelle

        Doesn’t the Food Safety Bill have exemptions for “farmers who bring their produce to farmer’s markets and sellers at roadside stands?” I read that some Democrats are upset by these exemptions.

      • LTC (Rt) Ray Burke

        I believe a substantial majority of Americans consider liberty the ultimate protection from an overbearing, tyrannical governing elite. The totalitarians are relentlessly engaged in destroying our cherished way of life. The day will come when freedom loving Americans must resist tyranny by force of arms and face the formidable organized power of the ruling elite. Effective resistance requires similar organization around an already established movement such as the Tea Party. Organization is essential to successful resistance.

      • http://NA Bob from Australia

        A mate look up FLORIDE in water and i bet u will be supprised

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Jack

    “…Americans are coming to realize that their greatest enemy is not al-Qaida, a manufactured and U.S. government-inspired and funded enemy.”
    Bob, if you have proof that al-Qaida is funded by our government I’d like to see it.

    Jack

    • TIME

      Jack,
      look into the 9/11 and I mean really “look” into it.
      Look at the details, how can paper survive intact; yet the alledged Black Box’s did not.
      That alone should make you question anything stated as fact. Just explore how these black box’s are made and what they can withstand.
      Look into what matianence was done below and above the floors where the planes hit. and how is it that the pilots knew where such work had been done?
      Look into the twin towers and what they were made to withstand as far as impact, as well what levels of heat they could withstand.
      Then ask an expert in these areas with out giving details to what buildings your asking about.
      What you will get in responce will blow your bloody mind.
      And if this fails you look into the 9 /11 issue Pentagon, I mean really look into it, it will not hold water even if your brain dead.

      Then also look into this issue, { why the stand down? }
      If your under attack do you stand down?

      Please Use LOGIC, really think about the reasons behind what you are told, ASK WHY? Don’t just believe it.

      Just a few ideas that perhaps aid you, also please do keep in mind Jack, these people are not going to sign a confession’s to their acts, thus “YOU must become the detective.”

      “The Mind is like a parachute, it has to be OPEN to WORK.”

      • Tazio2013

        Congratulations TIME; you are Now a bona fide “onepercenter”; i.e., those relatively few of US – slightly over 3 million individuals according to the current census – who are sufficiently open-minded, clear-thinking, truth-seeking, reality-living, freedom-fighting, justice-demanding, peace-loving to know and understand what is really going on in the US. Semper fi!

        • TIME

          Tazio,
          Saddly as you see with the post from Vigilant, we have far greater problems than the NWO.

          “One can only see the TRUTH if one allow’s themselfs to see it.” BP

      • Vigilant

        Sorry, TIME, the 9/11 conspiracy theory has been debunked for a long time. Don’t waste your (or our) time with this nonsense.

        • TIME

          Vigilant,
          Not even close dude, “its only been debunked by the same ones selling the story.”
          I see your living in bloody bubble, And that’s why this country is dead meat and is all over but for the clean up thats coming very soon.

          “The mind is like a parachute, it has to be OPEN to WORK.”

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Vigilant,

          It’s only debunked with those whose minds are closed.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • TIME

            Bob,
            You have a nice way with words,

            Later TIME

          • Vigilant

            Mr. Livingston,

            You may wish to include me in the knowledge you have regarding one, just one conspirator, who has come forward and confessed to such. I have said before, and I’ll say it again, in an operation of that size and magnitude, requiring scores if not hundreds of conspirators, not one leak has occurred. In today’s world, that’s a miracle tantamount to the Second Coming of Christ.

            Wikileaks did not divulge one word of it, to the best of my knowledge.

            And to imply that President Bush was complicit in it is shameful. Here’s a man who saved millions of lives in Africa due to his funding of AIDS and malaria/yellow fever initiatives, who is now being accused of summarily and callously allowing almost 3,000 people to perish in a dastardly attack that exceeded the worst of Pearl Harbor.

            No sir, if I’m to believe that nonsense, I’d as soon take my own life as admit that I’m American.

          • JC

            Vigilant, I have no way of knowing how much, if any time you have spent researching the 911 false flag event. But if you really want to know truth, you must do your own homework. You must engage every aspect of reality, science and logic…on your own.
            I won’t pretend to educate you on the matter…but for me it was a month’s long personal quest that fascinated me beyond belief.
            When I was done…I knew it was an inside operation. “KNEW IT”.

            Just curious…are of the belief that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?
            Science says no way to that one too.

          • Vigilant

            J C,

            Let me comment on the first video I saw on http://911proof.com/7.html which apparently is a highly trafficked site. It was titled, “Former Two-Star general questions the attack on the Pentagon,” and was a short snippet of a statement by former Major General Albert Stubblebine on “One Nation Under Siege.” He coulod not see how an airplane could make a hole so small in the Pentagon.

            If this is an example of “evidence ” to support conspiracy, it falls flat and is just “more of the same” speculation that a missile instead of a plane hit the Pentagon. I indeed use logic and observation to discredit this “theory.”

            How strange that the theorists are able to so summarily dismiss the eyewitness accounts of hundreds of people who saw an airplane flying fast and low on a trajectory to the Pentagon. Does this mean nothing to you? Does it mean there was a mass hallucination in DC that day?

            My coworker in NATO knew a person who worked in the Pentagon and was aboard the plane that morning when it hit the Pentagon. The flight indeed took off. Now where do you suppose all those people went to?

            It’s pure science fiction and fantasy to disregard the records of cell phone calls from victims-to-be on the flights that left Boston and Newark, and to claim that it was some military plane or planes that hit the Towers. No sir, give me the answer to the question I posed before: in an operation of that size, why have there been no leaks? That, I suggest, is a real world view of how things happen.

          • Vigilant

            And what I think about Lee Harvey Oswald or Elvis Presley has no bearing on the subject.

          • JC

            Vigilant,
            if that is as far as you are willing to go in your research efforts, you may want to change your moniker…because Vigilant, you ain’t.
            There is no way in hell a plane hit the Pentagon. Why did the FBI confiscate ALL the video from ALL the cameras in the area? Why do we get but one view of the actual event when the pentagon is surrounded by its own security cameras? How in hell was a novice pilot supposedf to fly a 4 story high plane into a 3 story building leaving the roof in tact when his flight instructor said he couldn’t even fly a Cessna?

            I could go on and on…but if you’re willing to go with 10 minutes of investigation and call it a day…then you have been very easily duped.

            Have a good day.

          • Vigilant

            JC,

            Kindly answer the two concerns I have expressed, that Mr. Livingston won’t even address.

            (1) Hundreds of people saw the plane flying toward the Pentagon. Not a missile. I couldn’t care less about what the government did to sonfiscate video, etc.

            (2) For the umpteenth time, which of the perhaps hundred of “conspirators” have come forward, leaked, or made deathbed confessions about this?

          • Vigilant

            Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA TODAY

            “A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye.

            “It didn’t register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn’t believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it’s wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.”

            This and many other reliable accounts from EYEWITNESSES. See http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

            Are you telling me this was all a hallucination? Come on, wake up!

            “10 minutes of research?” The point I was making was that THE VERY FIRST link I checked on the popular site referenced was easily disposed of as hooey.

            You can do all the research you want from the comfort of your home, read about flash points, tensile strengths and cover-up of videos by the government, and you swallow it hook, line and sinker. When confronted with MULTIPLE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS and other real world evidence, what say you?

          • Vigilant

            And for that matter, what say you, Mr. Livingston?

          • Vigilant

            Bob Livingston and JC:

            No answers yet?

          • Denniso

            How did I miss this? Bob Livingston agrees w/ JC and other conspiracy quacks that 9/11 was done by our gov’t? How can anyone believe that? As much as I dislike Cheny/Bush I can’t imagine them doing something so atrocious to their own country,not to mention the difficulty in pulling it off and keeping it secret. What I can imagine is that they were inept and negligent in the face of overt threats and didn’t protect the country from attack as they were sworn to do. I can imagine them plotting how to use the event politically if it did ocurr,and planning to use it to drum up support to invade Iraq.

          • Vigilant

            Still waiting……

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Vigilant,

          Sorry I’ve been unable to respond in as timely a manner as you wished: Holidays and other work intruded.

          Space limitations prevent me from covering all the factors to debunk the official story of explosion at the Pentagon. I can refer you to “9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA,” by Webster Griffin Tarpley for a complete synopsis (http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/911-synthetic-terror-made-in-usa-by-webster-griffin-tarpley/).

          However, I will cover some of your questions:
          There were not “hundreds” of eyewitnesses as you claim. Oh, there were some. But the problem is that most of the witnesses were military officers, Pentagon contractors or federal government employees or contractors and would have a conflict of interest. Some have asserted that there were actually two aircraft, a large one for a diversion and a smaller one (a missile, perhaps) that caused the damage. There are also many other witnesses who saw something completely different from a large airliner.

          Some problems with the official story: The hole is too small to have been made by a Boeing 757-200, which is 155 feet long and has a wingspan of 125 feet. When the landing gear is is retracted it measures 18 feet from bottom of engine to top of fuselage, and 45 feet from bottom of fuselage to top of tail. The original impact hole was 15-20 feet wide and only 25 feet high. The plane hit the wall at an angle which would have increased the stretch of wall impacted by the plane. There was no wreckage from an airplane spotted. The plane had to come in straight, below tree top level and miss a chain link fence, some parked cars and large construction generator, a maneuver almost impossible for a trained pilot and definitely impossible for untrained cave dwellers. The only surveillance photographs released show a white blur with a fire and vapor trail. American Airlines planes were silver, and planes leave no white vapor trail at low altitudes–missiles do, however. Don Rumsfield said in an initial interview it was a missile, and later changed his story.

          Where did the plane and people go? I have no clue. I never said George W. Bush was behind the attack. I do believe it was agents within the government intelligence and military apparatus.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Denniso

            I know that DaveH has no engineering background and I doubt that Bob Livingston does either,as is true of most or all of the people pushing
            this conspiracy theory. Any ‘insight’ that comes from a non engineer about engineering or structures is essentially meaningless.

            I do wonder why agents w/in our own military and gov’t would do something so horrendous to their own people, and why it would have to have been 4 different planes rather than just one good sized missle or bomb,why not a small nuke even,if the point was to send us into a
            repressive and gov’t take over? Surely the CIA and military could have come up w/ a simpler and larger ‘terrorist’ attack that would have been even more effective for their purposes. Why not kill 50,000 people? Why not have coordinated attacks across the country that would send us into a trembling fit of nationwide terror?

            Sorry Bob and buddy DaveH,your theory holds no water and if you could get some real engineers to join you people might listen. And, DaveH, there was an engineering investigation that showed how the towers collapsed from the impact and fire. There were some obvious engineering aspects in the buildings that caused the result we all saw.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Denniso,

            http://www.ae911truth.org/

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Denniso

            Bob, I’ll look at your link, though I’ve spent some good part of the past 10 yrs being open to the conspiracy theories and don’t imagine there is anything that will impact my current thinking on the subject.

            The odds of a conspiracy of this magnitude working and remaining secret are enormous, not to mention that the Americans who would do something like that would have to be the devil incarnate…not likely.
            Certainly not impossible,but highly improbable.
            Happy New Year, Bob and staff.

      • DaveH

        Unbiased Crash footage. Make your own decisions. Note the very asymmetrical damage. If steel beams could collapse so easily, why didn’t they do so immediately upon such dramatic damage, and such dramatic initial heat?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE

      • DaveH

        Here is footage which includes the collapse of both towers. Draw your own conclusions. I find the engineering excuses to be rather weak. It also seems odd to me that the vast majority of perps came from Saudi Arabia with good evidence that they were financed by wealthy Saudi’s, yet we didn’t attack Saudi Arabia. We only attacked the very poor country of Afghanistan where their training allegedly took place. And over 100,000 lost lives later, we are still there. WHY?
        So ask yourselves – when a hitman does his dirty, who gets the most scrutiny for the attack – the actual killer or the person who paid for the hit?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhhu5OjMf8

        • Jenelle

          Have you read about the impact lack of asbestos had to do with the collapse?

        • Vigilant

          Dave, we didn’t attack Afghanistan, we attacked Bin Laden who was in Afghanistan. A BIG difference.

          • DaveH

            Why are we still there? Wily critter, isn’t he?

          • JC

            How do we “know” he was there? He’s from Saudi Arabia maybe we should have attacked them too, or maybe Pakistan…he’s been known to hit the Bong in Karachi as well. What the hell let’s just attck the whole Middle East.
            OR!…We could look in GWB’s pool house! Has anyone checked there?
            After all the two families are in the munitions business together and this unfortunate war is probably killing profits….er wait a minute…they’d be making a ton off this war wouldn’t they?

      • DaveH

        This video is admittedly biased, but it has the best video of the collapses that I have found. Notice the very orderly floor to floor collapse. Do you see any smoke on the lower floors indicating the weakening of the steel beams by burning jet fuel that is blamed for the collapse?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

        • TIME

          Dave,

          Thanks for all the links.

        • Vicki

          Just a little biased? Sigh. At least the firemen at the end of the clip recognized that they were hearing the boom boom boom of each floor resisting the pressure of all the material on the floors above falling on it. Then when the floor can no longer hold the weight it collapses causing a boom sound as it and all the squished floors above hit the next floor. Which resists then collapses…..

          As each floor falls the short distance to the floor below the air in the entire floor below has to go somewhere. Mostly out. The fire you see near the beginning of the collapse is the fire on those floors being pushed out of the windows as the floors above them crush out the air.

          Once you get passed the burning floors the collapse shows just dust and debris being forced out of the floors.

          For conspiracy theorists the place to focus on is the initial collapse BEFORE the little burst of flame which was obviously a burning fire being pushed out the windows by the floors above collapsing onto the burning floors and beyond. Did the collapse start because the supports holding the higher parts of the building become too weak from just the impact and fire, or were they helped?

          In a commercial intentional demolition of course you blow up the supports on ALL the floors at near the same instant to insure that the entire structure collapses. You have a very slight delay between the outer and inner detonations to insure that the center of mass of the building falls just slightly ahead of the edges to “pull” the structure in on itself as it collapses.

          • DaveH

            Vicki,
            Those steel beams were holding the weight of several floors above them. You really think they would just fatigue in an orderly way from the upper floors falling 8 feet down? I would be amazed if you would ever go into a high rise if you thought they were that weak.

          • DaveH

            And Vicki,
            Know that I gain nothing by believing either one story or the other. It makes no difference to my political beliefs. As, either way, I still believe Government is just too damn Big. But I do know that Government leaders are capable of terrible things to get their way. We have seen it throughout history.

          • Vicki

            DaveH says:
            “Those steel beams were holding the weight of several floors above them. You really think they would just fatigue in an orderly way from the upper floors falling 8 feet down? ”

            Short answer. Yes. But then again I do know a little bit about physics. The operative phrase is dynamic shock loading. The towers were of course engineered to handle dynamic loads such as wind. They were not likely designed to handle the dynamic shock load of 10+ floors worth of mass falling a mere 8 (actually more like 10-12) feet. This dynamic load was easily 20+ times the static load of just holding the floors up.

            http://iweb.tms.org/Communities/FTAttachments/material_disasters_Nik_Chawla.pdf (See section 2 which is on the WTC)

          • Denniso

            Good job Vickie,sending DaveH to engineering/physics class. He’s typical of laymen making silly statements when they know nothing about the subject. I have an engineering degree and I don’t jump to quick conclusions and wouldn’t make an adament statement about the buildings w/o really looking into it. But people who like to fall into conspiracy theories do just that.

        • Al Sieber

          Dave, it was my understanding that Jet Fuel burns at about 1800 F, under a controlled situation (such as a jet engine) and most of the fuel dissipated on impact, jet fuel is kerosene, a friend of mine works at the Airport and gets me free fuel that he drains out of the jets when he works on them, it works in my backhoe and diesel generator, it has a low flash point, it can’t melt steel, the steel would start to bend first if hot enough. it takes a long time to cut thick steel with a torch, jet fuel could never melt steel. and what about building # 7?

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            thermite!and in bld. 7

    • Frank

      Jack, during the Afghanistan war with Russia the US Government funneled money to the mujaheddin which included Al Queda. I doubt that the government knew about Al Queda back then we did unknowingly provide them with funds.

      • Patriot66

        The CIA did more than just fund them. They also trained and organized them. Al Qaeda means “The Base” which was a database of all members. nuff said…

    • James

      Jack, Osama bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian ( I say ‘was’ because I believe he was successfully killed by our forces in Afghanistan in Dec. 2001. That was the time when the imposter standin appeared on TV.) The bin Ladens of Saudi Arabia are immensely wealthy (because of our dependency on their oil) and they get a sizeable share of that profit. Even though Saudi Arabia has publicly denounced and disowned Osama, his family has financed his forces from the beginning. Have you ever wondered how the Taliban and Al Qaida are funded? Osama’s older brother was in the U.S. (visiting the Bush family) when he flew a training aircraft into a high tension power line. That made Osama the heir apparent to the bin Laden fortune. At 9/11, the only aircraft allowed in the air were planes that flew Saudi Arabian friends and officials back home.

      • meli

        yes Bin Ladin has been killed but not by the US force but by the Pakistani secret services like Benazir Butto said on Aljazira english couple of months ago before being killed she even aid that she suspected that the guy trying to kill her was the same general that killed Bin Laden…
        It is crazy that with all those evidences regarding your own gov. you keep on putting the blame on foreign countries such as KSA …. frankly you said it yourself that the bin laden on TV was an imposture …who does this benefit ..who need to go to war and occupy countries ??? who need to steal resources that does not belong to ??
        the answer is self evident!!!
        Americans did not have the guts or the willingness to stop their gov. for starting a war and killing millions of innocents just because of some big rooted racism and hatred toward Muslims and Arabs so they did not mind seeing them suffering for not reason really… And Now you you are horrified that Tyranny is coming back to you …
        Now that you are aware of the horrible things that are coming in the Horizon what have you decided to do????? Blaming immigrants, minorities, that Black guy in the White House, socialism, communism, Islam and the rest of the word??? and more hatred…..
        Just look at the Tea Party!!

        • Dale on the left coast

          You sir are a loon . . . what movie have you been watching? Michael Moore’s?
          Killing millions? Just not true.
          Hating muzzies . . . they have hated the infadels (us) for 1300 years . . . history proves this beyond doubt!!!
          Occupying land and stealing resources? Only in your mind.

    • Bill

      If we funded Viet Nam why not Al Quaida?

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      A senior FBI official told Palm Beach Post “There were no more than 100 hard core Al Quida members worldwide on 9-11-01″.

      Osama Bin Laden had said on a videotape-”I have had nightmares since watching Tall buildings fall from shelling by Americans. I have since dreamed of watching Tall buildings fall in America.”

      9-11 was One Man’s Revenge.
      Bush and Cheney knew it.
      They used us. They used us. They used us.
      OIL + ISRAEL

      Decades of hatred for us created from 1500 Million Muslims and others who hated our Invasion of Two Destitute, Unarmed Nations who had done nothing to us.

      History will not be kind to Bush-Cheney-Hebrews in the White House.

      Worst atrocities.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Clarence . . . you have to stop with the fantacy stuff . . .
        All through the 90′s there were numerous attacks on US interests all over the world, including the 1st Trade Centre attack. Pres Klinton was OK with all that stuff . . . had he dealt with the problem the way Reagan dealt with Kodaffi, 9/11 probably would have never happened.

    • Carlucci

      Osama Bin Laden was an operative trained by the CIA. I thought everybody knew that as common knowledge.

      • Dale on the left coast

        So was Barry Soweto . . .

    • http://none Mike

      Jack, Its comman Knowledge that the CIA funded these groups when they were fighting the Russians. Now that money time and training is being turned against us. I have no doubt that through oil purches and continued aid funding. We are either directly funding these people or indirectly so.That should be more than sufficent proof if you just look. Mike L.

  • Charles

    Heartbroken.

  • Deborah

    Bob recommended reading “The Creature from Jekyll Island”. The recent series of events sure seems to follow the theory of the New World Order which the author details a “Doomsday Mechanisms and Pessimistic Scenario” near the end of the book. The speed of the breakdown is accelerating much quicker. Extremely frightening times ahead. I do not see how things can get better, especially when most of the population does not see or understand the concepts of what is happening.

    • Tazio2013

      Deborah,

      You seem to be sufficiently well read to appreciate reading The Daily Bell and here is Sunday’s Interview:

      http://www.thedailybell.com/1631/Anthony-Wile-With-Fitzroy-McLean-on-Freedom-International-Investing.html

      If this resonates with you, suggest that you subscribe and read daily. And, time permitting, delve into the DB archives as they are a wealth of valuable knowledge.

      • http://none Mike

        Bookmarked now Taz. I have been adding to my reading list. Mike L.

    • Walter Back

      Deborah; Large number of our population in this country seem not only do not understand/care what has been happening to this Nation over past years but many like and agree with where this nation is going socialist today. How/why true American citizens keep putting up with these hate America, uninformed, don’t care, illegal, minority special interest and big elite money people is unbeliveable to this old white man. What happen to one Nation under God, Liberty, Freedom, American Dream and the English language??

      • Castaway

        Simple! It died about 25 years ago and did not tip over immediatly.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        Old Man to Old Man
        Socialist?
        2009 the Federal Government took 17.5% of our Total National Income.
        Not quite Socialism.
        2100 Billion Income out of 12,000B National Income.

        17.5% far from 50%.

        No Socialism but Corpocracy.
        1% own us
        They get 24% Total Income and own 43% total finanical wealth. Just 1%. 1%
        olduglymeanhonest mad mad mad

        comments welcome cswinney2@triad.rr.com

        • Vigilant

          “2009 the Federal Government took 17.5% of our Total National Income.”

          What country do you live in?

          (1) it was a hell of a lot higher than 17.5%
          (2) most was paid by the rich

          Re-think your blather before you post.

          • CLARENCE SWINNEY

            I old Ugly Mean Honest 17.5% is accurate.

            Here are the numbers amigo

            Total National Income was 12,000 Billion
            The Federal governmemt total revenue was 2100 Billion in Fiscal Year 2009

            10-1-08 to 9-30-09

            2100 is 17.5% of 12,000. Si El Bandino?

            Available on cbo.gov omb.gov bls.gov
            google search it. plemtuy articles.

          • JC

            What is your source? The Government? LMAO…and you feel you can trust that?
            AND…did you include all the sales tax we pay in your 17%?
            By the time we buy all we need and pay source deductions…we’re very probably at 50% or better.

  • joe sun

    what ever happened to the guy that was saying I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it any more.

    • RJL

      I was hoping that he was “you”……..

    • Al Sieber

      He shot himself joe.

    • Castaway

      He became smarter, and left for another country where he can live in piece for now. Why would he want to be surrounded by cowards?

  • HenryfromFlorida

    As I have mentioned before, there is a clause in the constitution that states when the government fails to work for the good of the governed. they can, through state elections be replaced. And a new government installed. Lets do that and replace it with the one the founding fathers invisioned. And remove all the poweres they have voted in for themselves. We’re tired of foxes being in charge of the hen house.

    • Castaway

      It does not state through elections, and it means replace, by whatever means necessary. You sound like what we used to call a broken record! VOTE! Yes that works very well, for THEM.

      • Vigilant

        You’re both wrong. You’re citing the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

    • Walter Back

      Henry in Florida; I would be more then glade to help you vote in a new Government if you can tell me “who” the founding fathers invisioned and would today approve of, as this old white man can’t find any. I do think our Grovernment system is broken, out of date, over loaded with career politicans, and to many special interest and minorities wanting, trying, demanding we change our childrens American dream and culture with many American voters not caring.

    • DeJay

      Some people just can’t get it thru their thick heads that elections are rigged and those elected are slated to win long before the elections take place. So voting is a waste of time. The idea of all communications going electronic is caused for concern. It allows the the manugactures of electronic voting machines to control the outcome of elections. In a completely honest election, Obama whouln’t stand a soowball’s chance in hell of being elected. What hell was his political beckground to become the most powerful figure in this country?

  • Bob Simmons

    I’ve been cautioning friends and relatives about the dangers of our very own government to the point of alienating many of them. Maybe, if they are damaged enough personally, they will finally see what I have been trying to warn them against.
    On the otherhand, if enough people, like myself and countless others of like mind, can orchestrate some serious resistence, we might be able to turn out “the enemy from within,” and return to principles and precepts that have been part of the American fabric since our beginnings as a nation. There is no time to waste, though…no time for complacency. The enemy from within knows it must act swiftly before the “sleeping giant” (i.e. the masses of the populace) catch on and form a formidable physical retaliation to its efforts for total control. Still too many don’t believe it could happen here, but it is happening more and more every day, and the erosion of personal liberties won’t become widely apparent until the tides have turned towards near total totalitarianism. Then it will be too late!

    • http://aol time to act

      your right Bob but we must expose all of the enemies from top to bottom so people know who they are and what there about
      sometimes I do feel that it is to late, young people are not to intrested in the current events they are busy with school, the next reality show and electronic device

      • JC

        Eliminate the Federal Reserve and the whole house of cards will fall.

    • Motago

      I agree with everything you said. I have tried to convince those that bought into Obamacare the error in their judgment. To no avail, unfortunately. Unless this tyrany is stop[ed. future generations will be inslaved.

    • Motago

      I agree with everything you said. I have tried to convince those that bought into Obamacare the error in their judgment. To no avail, unfortunately. Unless this tyrany is stopped. future generations will be inslaved.

      • Castaway

        Unfortunatly it will not start with future generations, as it has already started and will affect the current generations, very soon.Are you another one of those ” not in my lifetime” fools? Montago you are not fully awake yet!!

    • http://NA Bob from Australia

      Bob iv Said It Once look up Floride In Water mate it stuffed your ability to fight againsed injustice

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    reminds me of nazi germany this is the way hitler started by having the gestapo then the SS.

    • TIME

      Sean,

      Not quite, but here’s a very quick overview for you the SA was first, then came “Hitlers Body guards,” noted as the SS Adolf Hitler, The Gestapo was started by “Herman Goring” in 1927.
      The Gestapo was not 100% under Himmler’s SS control until June 1934.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Hitler said
      “God had to invade Poland to protect us from the terrorists”
      few miles away
      Bush said “God told me to invade Iraq to protect us fron those terrorists” 7000 miles away

      Difference–Hitler was educated and Intelligent.

      • Vigilant

        “Hitler was educated and Intelligent.”

        Unlike you.

  • Tom Higgins

    The Inexorable March Of Tyranny
    Excelent Article!

  • Ron

    Is it going to take a revolt against the unscrupulous,unconstitutional government of today to change their attitude against the real Americans.Demoncrats & repunglicans alike are holding votes under the guise of darkness or any way they can to abolish our God given rights.
    GOD Bless America,God Bless our Creator

  • Rich Frank

    The paragraph that JeffH copied from Atlas Shrugged is what is pounded into the heads of many politicians, from the local level all the way to Washington. Some resist and try to do the right thing for the people and the country. Unfortunately, too many have the attitude that they will get theirs and the rest can pound salt. Somehow, we need to wake up the honest people of America and vote out the political crooks, all party affiliations included.

    • Castaway

      Yeah Rich you go ahead and vote, while the rest of us do your dirty laundry for you, and start shooting. SIR you need to wake up soon!

      • Vigilant

        …and DHS is going to wake up to you if you keep making comments like that.

      • DaveH

        Castaway,
        Name me some countries that have had beneficial revolutions (besides our own) which had positive effects afterward for the average citizen?
        Most revolutions swap out one despot for another despot. And I can see from all the myriad diverse comments on this board that very few people understand the concept of Freedom, so most likely we would experience what most countries experience after revolutions, that is trading one tyrant for another.
        The only real chance we have for Liberty is to educate everybody we can to the wisdom and experience of our Founders and hopefully take this country back mostly peaceably.

        • http://none Mike

          Dave, The educate part of your statement is the most important part of it. We have had several decades of indoctorination not education in this country. Some of the children are noticeing this that is the ones they riddlen to sleep again.We need to stop the drugging of children into stupidity before we all become cattle for the slaughter.Mike L.

          • DaveH

            I don’t think they do that to dumb them down, but rather to make the teacher’s job easier. However, either way it is just wrong.

    • JC

      Castaway, I understand your sentiment, really I do.
      But Americans are by nature kind people and are not easily prone to violence, despite the media hype.

      It is going to take a lot more than small encroachments into our rights to incite violence. It is going to take (foreign) soldiers in our streets who have come to take our property, our families and our lives before we start shooting. And it will happen. That’s what (I believe) all those FEMA camps are for.

      So for the moment, we have the ballot box. We move then to the jury box in an effort to change or repeal wrong laws. Then, if none of that has worked…we move to the ammo box. The Constitution does say we have the right to replace the government when they do not act for the interestes of Americans.

      I say respect the Constitution, and be prepared to enforce it.

      • JeffH

        JC, well said…HEAR HEAR!

    • DeJay

      There are some politicians that are elected who go to D.C. to clean things up. There is a saying,”One rotten apple will spoil a barrel full.” What chance does a good guy have when being a good apple and is thrown into a barrel of rotten apples?

      • DaveH

        They can learn from Dr. NO (Ron Paul) how to stand up to the deal-makers. We could do our part by emailing, writing, or telephoning our Reps and telling them to get some spine and act like Ron Paul.

  • http://google Dr. Wil Mayerberg

    Good Morning!
    I have a question: Why are we exclusively concentrating on the sitting Government instead of the Council on Foreign Relations? These two-legged insects (CFR members) both infest and corrupt our Government, and there is no public mention of this. Now that self-server Bolton (Biggie sized CFR) is making noise about a run for Pres. This is insanity of the first order!

    • JC

      Absolutely right. The CFR is an organization of the most evil One Worlder’s. Right up there with the Bilderberger’s and the UN itself.

    • DaveH

      We can defang any such perceived threats (whether they really are a threat or not) simply by defanging Government. They are into far more than our wise Founders would have allowed, and we need to reverse that.
      Get them out of the marketplace. Return Freedom to the marketplace. Let the consumers decide who should succeed and who should fail.
      Get them out of our personal choices. Get them out of our wallets. We can buy the protection we need from private sources. We can to a large extent protect ourselves if they would just quit trying to make us helpless sheep by attaining their desired goal of disarming the citizens. Look what happened at Fort Hood for instance. Our good military personel weren’t even able to protect themselves from one fanatical gunman (13 dead, 31 wounded).
      Stop our Government from attempting to police the world. It has never worked for any other civilization, and it won’t work for ours. We aren’t going to change those countries. All we do is waste our precious resources (financial and otherwise) which we someday will need to stop all the people around the world who have tired of our global meddling and have become our enemies.
      Without Government acting as their personal bodyguards, no Big Business could force us to buy their products, or force their competitors out of business.
      So much could be solved simply by shrinking the size of Government dramatically.

  • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

    “Americans are coming to realize that their greatest enemy … resides in Washington, walking the halls of Congress, the White House and Federal buildings across the country.”

    While this is true, there’s a greater enemy yet, which provided for what “resides in Washington, walking the halls of Congress, the White House and Federal buildings across the country.” The greatest threat to America was and is the United States Constitution that practically threw out Yahweh’s perfect laws and altogether righteous judgments (Psalm 19:7-9). Until Americans (particularly Christians and Patriots) figure this out and stop promoting the genesis of America’s woes as the the answers, we are doomed for only more of the same – the inexorable march of tyranny, that is, the incremental march over the precipice.

    For more regarding this paramount issue, see “Bible Law vs. The United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/articles.php, in which every article and amendment is examined by Yahweh’s perfect laws and altogether righteous judgments (Psalm 19:7-9). 34 chapters currently posted and more to come.

    A 3 1/2 minute audio introduction can be heard at http://www.kingdompromises.org/kingdompromises_audio/tea-party-intro.mp3.

  • rosina

    Do not know what to say.
    Never believed the food bill would pass and am aghast at the sneakiness of the Congress. And, no REPUBLICANS or Demons stopped it?
    What with the unelected, overpaid czars who actually do the Horrid Barmy’s bidding this is becoming a hell on earth. And so many people do NOT understand or even know about it.
    Along with the group LA RAZA who want to allow all illegals to come as they wish, especially from Spanish speaking areas (I have nothing against these people but let them come in legally) this country will be invaded and totally changed IF WE LET IT BE.
    IT SEEMS THAT WE WILL HAVE A REVOLUTION BEFORE LONG AND THIS ROTTEN LOT WILL THEN HAVE THEIR TYRANNICAL STATE AND START EXECUTING THE CONSTITUTIONALISTS-US.
    IT does not bear thinking about.

    • Patriot66

      There are to few of rational minded people to pull this off. Last election (2008) less than 1% voted for something other than repub/dem. This was very depressing, know most my co-inhabitants were still fast asleep. I looked upon this as a very dangerous situtation to be in. It took me 2 year to wrap up my dealings, but managed to escape from America. I watched long enough of the rounding up of our freedoms after the staged terrorist attacks (and the many attempts since) I’m sorry to have left you all, but it just seemed hopeless and unnecessary. I am currently roaming the world seeking a freer/safer place to live, and have found many. In order to properly bring ab out freedom, like minded (awake & un-liberal) need to consolidate in one central location and take it and hold it. The U.S is too well defended for this, but there are other places where people have managed to still have some control over their government. The U.S. government “anti-terror” laws are designed especially for internal conflict. They knew exactly how their slaves would respond, as do all masters who plan on squeezing their slaves to work harder.

      • http://none Mike

        Patriot66, I wondered how long it would take someone to notice that. Every one of these so called security mesures are directed stright at us. It dosent take a genius to figure out that the terriost that attacked us on 9/11 did not origanate in this country. All of the security mesurs in the world done here to our citizens. Will not stop the terriost from comming in from overseas.Its a dog and pony show put on for the guilable. Mike L.

        • Dan az

          Mike the dog and pony show is still being played out here at the borders they where using bean bag ammo against the federalies on this side of the border while being shot at with real ammo and killed one of the border patrol here.So Big sis came down and told them to widen the area for them and not go in there again.So now instead of a path they now have a free way.I’m more concerned about the OTM’s they have let in all sorts of islamic radicals and refuse to do anything about them.How many of the napsacks are radio active I guess we will find out soon enough.

  • Karolyn

    Well, at least I tried with S510. I sent at least five emails over the couple of weeks that I was kept abreast of the matter via ANH. They all went to my Republican senators. I thought at least Lindsey Graham was on our side according to his responses, but I guess he and Demint just wanted to clear all the paperwork along with their cohorts. I believe some language was changed, but that in no way gave us any sort of victory.

    • Al Sieber

      Karolyn, I tried too, at least we tried that’s what counts.

      • http://ObamatheFirst Bob M

        And as we descend into nuclear dissolution, as the last great hope for mankind dims and gutters out, we can say “Oh, well, at least we tried.”

    • FireMall

      @ Karolyn:

      Karolyn, Why did you not EM the Demons of crap in your protest of S510 ?
      Are the “Traitor” Dems “NOT” as guilty of “Treason” as all in Dot Gov are ??
      From your past post ,It’s obvious that you support a lot of what Dot “O”‘s Socialist Gov is doing . So what makes the Food bill an issue you are against & “not” all the other events that are solely meant to Control all aspects of life of the American & Global masses?
      S510 is merely one more step in the “Agenda” , just as Healthcare , Carbon credits, abolishment of the 2nd amendment, Net Neutrality / Info Control. & On & on on.

    • DaveH

      Good website for those who want food choice and Freedom:
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/

  • Will Wharton

    To Jack:
    Are you aware that the US funds the palestinians? Now where can that money go, except into a rat hole.

    • JC

      A rat Hole that produces terrorists… gotta keep the game going!

  • Delores Smith

    BOB LIVINGSTON – AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE – Thank you…
    The Treaty with Russia should never have been ratified. The Duma in Russia has stated that it will be another month before they can completely ratify (we had plenty of time to wait for the New Congress where we had more votes.) We passed it 71 (or so) to 23. Obama and Soros are collapsing our economy, and they have divided the nation. So many Republicans want to be President that they are dividing the Party.
    Sen.Coburn sickened me when he said, “I didn’t get elected to work for the Republicans; I came here to work for America.” Coburn was elected to work for the people of Oklahoma…his growing a beard does not make him qualified to be President. Rand Paul said, “I don’t care what the Republicans say.” Jim DeMint said, “I go by my principles. Committees are made by the Parties. Americans are awake now. Stop destroying yourselves or Americans will be stuck with Obama and Soros. George Soros admittedly had a job taking houses and land from the Jewish people as the Nazi’s led the people to the gas chambers. Great guy! Obama, you will destroy America only over my dead body…and then I will haunt you.
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      do you know==SWOOSH YOU ARE DEAD

      Russia has ONE Silo seven stories underground and contains 200 ICBM
      each of which can carry ten hi tech nuclear warheads. Destroy all of America from one silo.

      Former Secretary Of Defense William Perry visited the silo.
      Aghast! Was his response. Chilling!

      MisSile Defense. Bunk. Junk. Just spend more Billions to create jobs in Congressional districts.

      Pentagon has admitted they cannot shoot down Russian ICBM.
      They have low heat emission engines. They have hi tech decoys on each whichh can distract any incoming object.

      Inspections. To assure all ICBM are still directed into the ocean in case of error. We had Air Force inspectors at each of their sites as they did in America.

      SWOOSH HERE COME 2000 HI TECH WARHEADS.
      EACH ICBM EST TO DESTROY 100-200 MILE RADIUS.
      TWO DESTROY NORTH CAROLINA
      just when my golf game is peaking

    • Shibamom

      I’m with you Delores!!

  • Gene Volz

    The above sound like scare tactics to me Scare the people enough and then take over like Nazis.

    • Bert Cundle

      When the truth doesan’t scare you; and fanticies do, you are unhealthy.

  • uncldom

    youtube “Obama Deception”

  • Scubagal

    To Bob Simmons

    You are absolutely right about alienating friends and family. This has also happened to me. We had 11 of our best friends over for dinner to alert them as we know none of them pay much attention to the news. I was stunned at how apathetically they received the information. And whenever I offered more information one of them would invariably say “…that’s your opinion…” Not one of them would believe me when I replied “no…that’s not my opinion, it is a fact and it happened yesterday…” It was horrible and I am left wondering if any of these people I have been very close to for more than 40 years will even speak to me again. After they had all left, I said to my husband “what is wrong with them…?” He hit the nail on the head I think, when he reminded me that all but 2 of them are union members. So, I’m preparing for the chaos…but now I’m worried that those same 11 people will be on my doorstep whining when TSHTF. How do we wake these people up who won’t listen or believe??? The fact that I care about these friends is doubly painful. Any ideas out there?

    • nehope

      You said it so nicely. We had the same problem some years ago. I solved this situation. I found that these people, when involved in social small talk, were alright, but they were totally uninformed and misinformed in most things e.g. Economics and financial problems. I just told each one of them what I thought of their intellect (or lack of it) and we no longer need to waste our time on these morons. I salute you, you are dying breed of educated people.

    • Delores Smith

      SCUBAGAL,
      Don’t be concerned about your friends who will not listen to what you believe is happening in this nation.
      Don’t let anyone silence you. Keep speaking out for America. They will start to believe when other people start telling them the same facts. God Bless You and may God open the eyes and ears of your friends. Take care.
      Delores Smith
      Delores109@cox.net

      • PacificRim

        Soon, it will be a crime against the state to speak your mind…

        • http://none Mike

          Science fiction reflects science fat. There was a movie a few years back called Enemy Of The State. One of the little technologies that was leaked in that film was the key word identifier. Words either spoken over the phone or typed on your computer were flagged. Once these flags ocured the entire conversation was moniterd. These keywords could be anything programmed into a data base to be flagged.Dont belive this is happening right now? Look into AT&T blackroom computers. They had a special on this on discovery 2 years ago. Once exposed it most likely just shifted to another sight. Mike L.

      • Shibamom

        For me, it’s not so much my friends that I want to warn. I’ve tried to warn my best friend but he doesn’t really want to hear it. He knows it’s happening but he chooses to sit back with the opinion of “just what can I do about it, I’m a little guy”. I told him that reading helps even if it scares the living crap out of you. My awakening actually began during the 2008 elections when I was trying to figure out what everyone saw in Obama. My research scared me and I’ve been reading ever since. Aside from a few nutjobs on this site, I’ve learned a ton from reading most everyone’s posts. Honestly, I’m scared to death about the future. I really want to get this across to my son, his wife, and eventually to their children but they are both in their 20′s and to be fair, I was just like them when I was in my 20′s. But of everyone, THEY will be the ones I help. That is, of course, if I can get myself prepared. This is a tough thing to swallow especially when you’ve been told all your life that America is unlike any other nation because we’re free, etc. I believed that so much that I served 27 years in the Air Force. Now, I’m learning that my own Gov’t may have perpetrated the biggest crimes against humanity and it’s own citizens…well, I just have to sit back and take a deep breath. That’s a lot to take in. It really hurts when you realize that you’ve been lied to your entire life! I’ve been lied to for 52 years!!! We’ve all been lied to! I sincerely hope that I cross paths with some of you folks in the years to come. Especially those who have said some very profound things.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Scubagal, Its like leading a a horse to water but can’t make him drink__All you can do is hand folks the info, you can’t make them believe it.__A lot of folks won’t believe anything unless they’re directly involved_We’re in a sad state of affair.

      • http://none Mike

        Angel, Most wont relise they are in trouble untill the man is standing at the door.By then it will be too late to do anything about it. Mike L.

    • Castaway

      Yes wise up, and stop caring about them, because they do not care about you. They will be the ones to “rat you out to the authorities”, for any thing you might say, that will, and can be used against you.

    • JC

      I started out doing the same thing. Got the same response.
      Now I just pose the odd question that makes people think it through for themselves. I’ve had pretty good success at having them come back for more info.
      In fact I’ve turned a few people into gun owners. :)

      • DaveH

        Good for you, JC.

    • eddie47d

      scubagal; Your mistake is that you tried to indoctrinate your guests. You invited them over for dinner and then forced your opinion on them. That doesn’t work unless you made it clear upfront that it was a political dinner party. Did the invitation say “would you please join my wife and me for a lively discussion on current matters” or did you bushwhack them?

      • JC

        Exactly. Too much information will be disregared without consideration. Go slow and make your students curious enough to ask questions.

      • Vigilant

        eddie, this is another of those rare occasions when we agree.

      • http://none Mike

        Yeah!!! Good job Eddie. See when you use logic sometimes we can all find some common ground to walk on. Mike L.

  • SandyW

    We all talk about voting the current politicians out, but who do we vote in? All the talk about “Vote em all out” and look how many are still right back in. We talk about revolution, but who will lead it? How will they organize it? I continue to see “talk, talk, talk” but who-where-when-how will we begin to see “action”?

    • One Man

      @Sandy – agreed. A lot of talk, like a swaggering drunk. We need action, not necessarily just at the polls. Who would we vote in? To most people, there are just two ponies in the show – Republican & Democrat, and “of course” their solution MUST come from one of those two camps. Unfortunately, both of those wells are poisoned. Politicians will say anything to get elected. The other problem is that most people want to be “moderate”. Use a little from both sides. Compromise. Moderate, politically correct, socially beige. That is exactly why we are in the mess we are in now. Nobody wants to stick out. We all want to fit in and be average and moderate.

      • eddie47d

        One Man; No thanks! There are enough extremists on both sides who are willing to “stick out”. Timothy McVeigh and some militias /and the Symbionese Liberation Army are prime examples.

        • DaveH

          We have extremists in the Whitehouse right now. Has anybody ever heard Eddie say anything bad about them?

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        WSA WALL STREET OF AMERICA
        OWNS
        BIG BANKS
        BIG COORPORTIONS
        BIG MEDIA
        CONGRESS
        WHITE HOUSE

        10% OWN 70% TOTAL FINANCIAL WEALTH
        120,000,000 WORKERS OWN 7%

        CORPORATIONS OWN OUR ELECTIONS SINCE SUPREME COURT MADE THEM CITIZENS,

        • Vigilant

          When are we going to hear from you, “workers of the world, unite?”

          • CLARENCE SWINNEY

            Viglante
            120,000,000 workers own 7% of Total Financial Wealth
            1% owns 43%
            Worker pay has not increased in real dollars since 1980.
            1% get 24% of our Total Income.
            2001-2007 the 1% got 66% of Total Income Growth. 90% got 10%
            1980-2009–1% got 281% Incresse in Income
            Middle Class got 25% or less than inflation

            Today Few own Majority

            Conservative governance was big big part of this redistribution of Income-Wealth. Destruction of Unions by Wal Street a big part.

            1945-1981 was Equitable. Great Middle Class as built.
            In fact, during those 35 years the bottom 20% gained more,percent, than top 20%.

            In 1945, the top 1% owned 30% of Total Financial Wealth.
            In 1980 it had dropped to 20%.
            Reagan gave then a 60% Tax Cut
            In 1989 they owned 36%. An 80% increase.
            In 2009 it ws 43%.

            A few own almost one half.

          • JC

            First, shut down the Fed.
            Second, Outlaw corporate lobbying.
            Third, start working from the present backwards and repeal every unConstitutional law ever enacted.
            Fourth, Screw the Unions.

            Without Government backing, Corporations would have to compete with each other, not divvy up the pie.

      • David Eiker

        I’m going to run for President. That’s what I’m going to do. We’ll call it the New Party (at least until we come up with something catchier). I’m not a lawyer, I’m not a big business owner, I’m just a regular guy trying to make a difference wherever I go. I realized recently that the greatest commandment ever given was to love God and love your neighbor . . . it’s not about you. It’s about something bigger. Our founding fathers knew this. That’s why they fled British tyranny to found this great country on Christian principles (whether you like it or agree with it or not). It is what it is.

        The first thing I will do as president is overturn all the liberty-stealing executive orders. Then I will fire all the liberal-minded heads of every federal agency I can and give the rest of the government robots the choice to get with the program or hit the road. With a pat on the back, I’ll tell each one how much I hope they enjoy their new life somewhere else, because if they don’t like the way it is here in the patriotic land of the free, they can go somewhere they think is better. Next, I will make a new rule: NO LAWYERS ALLOWED! Not in Congress, not in the White House. Only White House council will be allowed on Captitol Hill, and he or she will be afraid to do anything wrong because they are alone. After all, our representatives are supposed to be LAW-MAKERS, not LAWYERS! I mean, I’m really sorry, but I have no friends or acquaintences who are lawyers. Nor to most Americans. So, why are we allowing these types to run our country? They don’t represent me! They don’t represent WE!

        Next, we will eliminate the two major parties. They will formally be extinct. We will create a five-party system similar to Germany, so there can never again be a controlling majority in either house of Congress. It works pretty well in Germany, check it out. And then, I will donate to good, viable charities 75% of the $400K salary. I mean, seriously, the job comes with a house and a staff. Why would you need that much money in the first place? Furthermore, after we close the borders, why would I need to do much tavelling abroad? Once we are again the envy of the world, they can come talk to me if they want to know more.

        OK, I better step down from the soapbox and give someone else a chance. Who’s with me?

        • DaveH

          Sounds like you would make a good tyrant, David.
          There is a Third Party that believes in the kind of Freedom that our Founders advocated. You can believe in God, or you may not believe in God. It doesn’t matter to us. We believe in Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, Free Markets, and Limited Government. We are the Libertarians:
          http://www.lp.org/platform

        • http://NA Bob from Australia

          Oh mate come to Australia your the bloke we want i will vote for u

          • Denniso

            Hi there Australia! I’ve wanted to visit your interesting country but never have.
            DaveH is a Republican pretending to be a libertarian,which is essentially a non existent party,being maybe 1% of the population. Meaningless terms like personal responsibility,limited gov’t w/ no details are the hallmark of this fringe group. Why don’t they tell us what ‘limited gov’t’ means? Personal responsibility means that we wouldn’t allow any gov’t action to help the millions of poor and disadvantaged,because people like DaveH amazingly believe that the ‘divine’ market will take care of all the modern societal problems
            that we and other countries have. If ‘libertarians’ would fight to get the disgusting amount of $$ out of politics,fight to end the idiotic and fascist like drug war,speak out against the corporate control of much of our society and political system,battle the military industrial complex, then people like me might support them. But no,they spout mindless phrases that will get us nowhere but backward, and do nothing constructive to help the country.

          • libertytrain

            And Denniso is beyond certain that everything he says and opines over is absolutely the only correct answer.

          • Denniso

            You used to make comments and now you only make personal attacks on me. Why?

          • libertytrain

            I make many comments on many things, however your comment to this gentleman consisted of attacking posters for absolutely no reason. I was offended.

    • Patriot66

      Who will lead it? This is a very important question. Even if the American people wake up and overthrow their facist monarchy, who will lead the charge to freedom. Unfortunately, we had the same problem after the Revolutionary war against England. The U.S was a free country for about 10-20 years before the “powers that be” had the U.S. people back in their stanglehold of slavery. The very foundation of laws and “obligations” the U.S. sits on ensures it’s enslavement of the American people forever. SO, it’s just as important to know how to maintain freedom, than just how to obtain it. More of a philosophical matter, but important nevertheless…

    • Dan az

      SandyW
      Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today’s world do not have.
      Ronald Reagan

  • Theophilus

    Recall elections are the only answer to the problem with rouge politicians. When they see the folks back home starting petition drives to launch a recall election, and ONLY THEN, will they become the humbled civil servants we pay them to be. As long as they can rely on a very forgetful electorate and the power of a press which spins every issue to their benefit we can never refloat this sinking ship of state.

  • Jim Benat

    This is why 100% of any of my political contributions will go to the TEA PARTY!

    • Tazio2013

      100% waste of your money; the “tea-baggers” are 100% owned by the republikrats and part of the problem, not the solution. The sheeple – 90% plus of the population – will not awaken until the economic pain is sufficiently great and by then it will be to late. Fasten your seat belts, hoi poloi, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

      • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

        I agree. The answer for us individually is found in Christ’s propitiating sacrifice and resurrection from the grave. The answers for us collectively are found in Yahweh’s morality as found in His perfect laws and altogether righteous judgments (Psalm 19:7-9).

        With this in mind and if you agree, you might be interested in Our Tea Party Project at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/teaparty.php.

        A 3 1/2 minute audio introduction can be heard at http://www.kingdompromises.org/kingdompromises_audio/tea-party-intro.mp3.

        • Vigilant

          Pastor, why don’t you cut out the evangelizing and self-serving commercials for your website? I’ve checked it out before, and found interpretations of the Constitution that are overtly racist.

          Are you a member of the KKK as well?

          • eddie47d

            So he’s that Ted Weiland. I was thinking it must be just a coincidence so thanks for the heads up or warning.

          • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

            Vigilant, perhaps you ought to be careful about false accusations. No, I’m not a KKK and denounce them as loudly, if not more so, than yourself.

            As for evangelism, that’s part of the calling of a Christian, like it or not.

            As for allegedly self-serving commercials: All of my books are available online or for free to anyone who would like and cannot afford a hard copy. Thus, the only thing I’ve provided is a biblical perspective that *you* don’t like. Tough!

          • Dale on the left coast

            Only Dimmicraps are allowed in the KKK . . . Senator Bird could have told you that . . .

          • Vigilant

            Weiland claims to abhor racism, and then advocates racial purity and segregation. Check out http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt22.php and see if you don’t discover that he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

            No, Mr. Weiland, I’m not a liberal, but I’m not a racist bigot like you are.

          • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

            Vigilant, as for your remarks on December 31. If what I teach is what the Bible teaches then you have identified Yahweh, the God of the Bible, as a racist.

            Until very recently, miscegenation was almost unheard of – a historic anomaly. But in the last fifty years, like homosexuality, it has become more and more culturally acceptable. This alone should cause people to question it. If it had been Biblically acceptable all along, why has it taken nearly two milennia for Christians to get it correct?

            Typical of people who have rejected their Biblical moorings and who, more often than not, call good evil and evil good (Isaiah 5:20), today’s multicultural society condemns segregation as racist and hateful and promotes miscegenation as something good. Man’s desire to integrate and miscegenate will ultimately destroy the different races and their cultures. In contrast, Yahweh’s Biblical design for man to segregate and remain pure protects and perpetuates the different races and their cultures. So, I ask you, who’s really the hateful racist?

          • Denniso

            Your fundamental flaw in your ‘reasoning’ is taking literally writings that go back to a time of ignorance,superstition and a tiny global view. There are many parts of the old testament that are abhorrent to any modern,educated person,including you, and you fundamentalists choose to ignore them and focus on what works for your own purposes…whether racism,misogyny,child abuse and more. We don’t live in the dark ages,most of us that is,which is what most of the world was like when the bible was written,by ignorant men.
            Your final mistake is believing that the bible was literally written by God and so can have no flaws in it. Even allowing for the fact that most people couldn’t write or had any kind of education 2000 to 3000 yrs ago, the writers of the bible were men living in a time of such ignorance about the world as to render most, if not all, of what they said,silly and pointless…especially to an educated age like now.

            Fundamentalists should join the modern world and get to work helping to better the world and scoiety we have now. Living in the dark and brutal past does no one any good at all,except give you a shallow and misguided ‘purpose’ now.

          • Vigilant

            Weiland says, “Yahweh’s Biblical design for man to segregate and remain pure protects and perpetuates the different races and their cultures. So, I ask you, who’s really the hateful racist?”

            By that statement, I think there’s no doubt who is the racist.

          • Denniso

            Where the Bible and this ‘minister’ are both wrong is that there is no such thing as purity when it comes to race. The human ‘race’ probably began as dark skinned since we apparently originated in Africa, and different skin ‘colors’ developed as we moved around the world over the million or so yrs of our development.

            I think it’s interesting that now w/ global travel and communication we are ‘intermarrying’ and slowly going back to one ‘race’. A mix of all the races and colors.

            I guess though that the ‘minister’ isn’t happy about that and maybe thinks that we have only been here for 6,000 yrs anyway.

      • Delores Smith

        TAZIO2013
        I am not a Tea-Bagger, but I respect any group of Americans who stand up for our nation. If they are for the Republicans, then you should get on your knees and thank God. Take a good look at what Obama, George Soros, and the puppet Democrats have done to America.
        Delores Smith
        Delores109@cox.net

        • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

          The Republicans and the Democrats are two-sides of the same coin. The only difference is the speed at which they send us over the cliff. Every two and four years we get ever closer to the precipice, regardless who’s elected, and, yet people, claiming to be patriots and Christians, do it all over again every two and four years.

          Hello! There’s something wrong with this picture. It’s time that Christians wake up to the fact that both parties are the same as the Pharisees in Matthew 15:1-9, whom Christ rebuked them for “teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” and realize that the only answer for this nation is a return, not to it’s late 1700 roots, but to its early 1600 roots, that is, to Yahweh’s morality as codified in His perfect laws and altogether righteous judgments.

          For more on this, see “Bible Law vs. The United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/articles.php.

          • Tazio2013

            Ted,

            The only thing worse than the nefarious, corrupt, criminal, socialist enterprise currently being experienced by US would be a Bible Law, Fascist, Crusading Christian, AmeroZionist Theocracy proposed by you and your deluded sputniks which, thankfully, are very few in number due to swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool. Crusading Christianism and Zionism are large parts of the problem and will NEVER be the solution. Open your mind, Ted, and become an objective truth-seeker and reality-liver.

          • Tazio2013

            Ted,

            You may or may not be interested in an objective critique of a famous crusading christian zionist:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz5T1EEo8ws&feature=related

            Looking forward to your reply.

        • Tazio2013

          Delores,

          Suggest you get off your knees and open your mind and remember that the “tea-baggers” are a wholly owned subsidiary of the gop. Look, listen and learn from what the republikrats say and do for the next two years, then on 01/20/2013 you may understand that absolutely nothing will have changed.

          • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

            Tazio, having made clear your non-Christian (perhaps even antichrist, 2 John 1:7-11) agenda, your response is as would be expected. My answers are not meant for you; your reading someone else’s mail , that is, unless by Yahweh’s grace you repent and surrender yourself in faith and are immersed into Him for the forgiveness of your sins, as per Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, etc.

            For anyone else reading this, I should clarify, I am certainly not promoting an “AmeroZionist Theocracy.” It would appear that Tazzio is as opposed to Zionism as I am.

            Zionism is one and the same as Judaism and Judaism is one and the same as Talmudism, which in most instances is not only the antithesis of Yahweh’s morality as found in His laws, but the most antichrist piece of literature in existence. Talmudism/Judaism is also one and the same as the traditions of the elders, condemned by Christ in such passages as Matthew 15:1-9.

          • JC

            Tazio
            You seem to really like that term “Teabaggers” don’t you?
            I am told it’s a homosexual proclivity. Is that the part that fascinates you?
            (not that there’s anything WRONG with that) LOL

      • Castaway

        No way Jose, you are dead wrong, and real stupid if you believe that. The Republicans were simply the lesser of two evils, but now are one in the same. Do support the Tea Party!

        • http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

          Castaway, it would seem that we are in agreement on the Democrats and the Republicans, but not on the Tea Partiers. The Tea Partiers are just another stripe of Republicans. Granted, they may slow the march to the cliff down a little more, but because they have no real answers, they too will eventually send us over the precipice.

          Perhaps you and others would be interested in listening to a two-part audio series entitled “Tea Parties: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.” Part 1 can be found at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/tapelist.php#T847.

          • BobbyB

            The Tea Parties are no more grass roots organizations than I am The President. Who the hell put up all the $$$???? The Koch brothers for one. Their only purpose is to advance the corporate agenda and distract the masses. Obama is no more a socialist than Dick Cheney. He is a corporatist to the bone. Ron Paul even went as far to say that.

            If we could get that kind of action motivated by truth, we could solve our problems~

          • BobbyB

            Here’s some of the change Tea Partiers are bringing!

            http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/26/lepage-hires-daughter/

        • JC

          Amen! Any group swimming against the tide of socialism has my support.
          And anytime you see a group of determined people on the move, you’ll see some politician trying to act like he’s leading them.
          Republicans don’t “own” the Tea Party, they’re trying to look as though they are just as American. Trying to stay on the radar as the “right” alternative.
          Go Libertarian.

          • DaveH

            Go Libertarian!

  • nehope

    I am stunt, I can’t believe what I am seeing and hearing from the representatives of the people. Those who are in position to rule, without fear of having to account for their actions, do not need to worry about anythying. About 40% of the US Population depends on food stamps or other Government handouts. Millions more are ripping off the tax paying public. These are the people who will vote for the same bunch which is now in the drivers seat. And of course there are millions who are involved in dubious religions. These people are not trained to think for themselves. So, how does anyone expect that things will change? The fiscal situation of the US is grave. The ever growing deificits will eventually be disastrous. Since inflation or deflation is not desireable, there is only one way out – a nice little war. It would give big money the opportunity to get richer, and at the same time we would eliminate millions of unwanted people. I am at an age where I thought I had seen almost everything, but I was wrong. We are going into hard times, if we are lucky to be alive at the end of this mess.

    • Delores Smith

      nehope,
      Your comments are great, because you’ve just described what a part of the Cloward-Piven strategy is. You said that 40% of people are on food stamps. Obama is overloading our system of government, and that’s how it would eventually collapse. What Obama is trying to do is to make people dependent upon him and George Soros so that he can “transform the United States of America.” Obama also told illegals…”punish the Republicans by not voting them.” People are not stupid. They know when they are being used, even those on food stamps. Those Americans will see the light.
      Delores Smith Delores109@cox.net

      • David Eiker

        And when I become President (see above), after we close the borders, send the illegals home and start to clean up the mess, who will do those jobs that “only illegals will do”? Why the displaced government robots, of course. Think about it . . . only US citizens working in this country, and plenty of jobs for them!

        • DaveH

          David,
          Although I don’t condone illegal immigration, they are not responsible for our economic collapse. Big Government is the responsible party, and they grow their size by enlisting people like you to focus on their red herrings while they do their dirty work.
          The real problem is that we don’t have enough freedom, and people like you taking away more is not going to solve the problem.
          Freedom is inversely proportional to government size. The bigger Government gets, the smaller our Freedom gets. And vice versa.

          • David Eiker

            Wow, Dave. Looks like lbertarian math at work. Apparently you missed the part about reducing the government. Nice twist. Good jab about campaign promises, too. I guess even honest people can’t be trusted these days though, so who can blame you.

            At least I’m willing to stop complaining about the job in the White House and go give it a try. I have yet to read anyone else saying they’re willing to do anything but talk about what’s wrong. You see, that’s where we differ. Stop railing against someone doing a lousy job unless you are willing to take on the task! But then I guess we wouldn’t have anything to sit in front of our computers and talk about then, would we?

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Safety Net is pennies from Heaven

      Want to attack spending go Top Down
      Military
      Social Security(pays its way)
      Medicare (rip off by health care indusry)
      Medicaid (state plus federal)
      Interest

      Those re 80%
      How to reduce? Military by far biggie to cut.
      Ho Hum-Each Military dollar has a congressional District needing that fundig for jobs. Cut. try it.

      Many many hundreds make up 20

  • http://N/A AugusII

    “hubristic arrogant bunch of elected DWARF elites”
    NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE VISION:

    They are working as an invader’s task force – Their mission: undermine their enemy defense and power. Moral, cultural values, economics, defense devices and organization, knowledge of the subjects, and destroy credibility to certain people or institutions that can react efficiently to fight them.

    Mafia unions, left minded parasites, common criminals; homosexuals, pedophiles, drug addict communities, parasites orgs like greenpeace, etc. can be seen working in a coordinated way linked to well known muhammadan terrorists groups, FARC, ETA, bolivarians, indigenist orgs.

    Can you guess what kind of glue joins all those groups of predator parasites humanoids?

    What kind of partnership is linking guantanamo prisoner managers, protectors, FARC bolivarian drugterrorists, ETA, Hammas, Ahmadinejad, Gore, wikileaks, wikipedia, etc? If you search a litle you can also find the fifth leg to the cat.

    Arrogance and histrionism, bad manners, even their gaffes and ridiculous way they act their roles, are only part of the sheep clothes they use to cover their actions and led them to hide and scape when needed (“he was misunderstood”). 20101227 1424

    • Castaway

      GOOD POST!

    • eddie47d

      Augusll; Man are you messed up and then kill um’all Castaway chimes in. What a riot!!

    • David Eiker

      As President, I would have no closed-door meetings with lobbyists or any other radical group. The government is for the people, so let’s be in on the meetings. Heck, let’s televise them from the Oval Office so the world can see what they are up to. Then everyone will know their sly tactics. It would produce such good ratings, the liberal media would be tripping over themselves to get the scoop. Prime time would never be the same!!

      • http://none Mike

        david, Sounds familure were you listening to Obamas speaches prior to and just after election. We herd pretty much the same things from him before he went into office. Mike L.

      • Dale on the left coast

        How many times a month would you let Sorge Joros visit????

  • Mick

    Bob Simmons says:
    December 27, 2010 at 7:43 am
    I’ve been cautioning friends and relatives about the dangers of our very own government to the point of alienating many of them. Maybe, if they are damaged enough personally, they will finally see what I have been trying to warn them against.

    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
    Bob ,,,I know exactly what you mean,I have been doing the same as you to arrive at the same exact point, or people refuse to see what’s happening , or they think we’re nuts or they just don’t care because they haven’t quite been touch directly by the malfeasance of our Government.
    I have been in the United States for 41 years and am a citizen but came from France originally and I believe that I saw that coming long before many in the American population just maybe because I was an outsider, needless to say I did catch a lot of flack when I tried to warn people about losing some of their liberties at a rapid pace
    All I am hoping for is that the American people wake-up, France never did and they ‘re pretty much screwed.

  • http://none Ed White

    THE PROBLEM IS, MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA, UNDER THE AGE OF 50 ARE OBLIVIOUS TO THE GOINGS ON. WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO AWAKEN THESE PEOPLE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
    PEOPLE WITH GOOD AND SECURE JOBS ARE NOT FEELING THE RECESSION LIKE THOSE OF US WHO ARE RETIRED OR HAVE MENIAL JOBS. IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS TAKE AWAY ALL OF OUR RIGHTS, IT WILL BE TOO LATE. THERE MUST BE A WAY TO GET THE YOUNGER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WE ARE FACING.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      1945 TO 1981 WERE 35 YEARS OF GREAT EQUALITY WHICH CREATED THE GREAT MIDDLE CLASS.

      1980-2009
      Three Conservative presidents
      18 years of Conservative Senate
      12 years of Conservative House
      6 years of Total Conservative control
      Took Carter 600B Budget to 3600B (less wjc itsy bitsy)
      Took Carter 907B of debt and added on 9000 billion.
      Took Carter creation of 218,000 net new jobs per month to 99,000.
      Got America involved in 8 international conflicts where millions of innocents died.

      During those years–
      1% went from owning 20% of Total Financial Wealth in 1980 to 36% in 1989 and 43% in 2009
      1% went from getting 10% of Total Income in 1980 to 24% in 2009.
      In 2009, 120,000,000 workers owned 7% of Total Financial Wealth

      Bush 8 created 31,000 net new jobs per month off Clinton 237,000.
      Bush 8 increased spending by 92% (1800 to 3600)breaking Reagan record increase of 80%
      Bush 8 increased Debt by 100% (5700 to 11,800)or more than we had after 225 years. Off Clinton 240B surplus
      Bush 8 got us two horrid invasions of two of world’s most destitute and unarmed nations of people who had done nothing to us and were 7000 miles from our shore and never a danger to us. No planes-No missiles-No tanks-No nothing

      World saw world’s only Superpower invade two unarmed innocent nations.

      What if it had been Russia? How would we feel?

      • Vigilant

        So much for the rantings of a paid propagandist. No one reads your screeds any more, Clarence.

        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          VIGILANTE SI BANDINO
          If I am wrong then correct me. Use numbers and facts.
          I will correct. I strive for facts not blarney blabbering.

          PROVE ME WRONG! Please.

          • DaveH

            Who cares whether the Democrats or the Republicans are taking away our Freedom, Clarence? They are both taking it away. That is all that matters. You have presented the facts to skew to your Liberal point of view. For anybody that wants to see the reality:
            http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

            And please don’t call the Republicans “Conservative”. Few are. Most are better labeled Right-Wingers. And you, Clarence are a Left-Winger.

          • MashedTaters

            How do you or your statistic providers measure total wealth. Assets have inflated. So, what are you talking about? Money in the bank? Value of assets which is a very subjective measure? Are not more US citizens wealthier now than any time in history, in real terms, even during a depression both in numbers and in your beloved percentages?

            The poor get richer and the rich get poorer according to the communist statistician’s needs to prove a point or advocate a policy.

  • Tazio2013

    RE: Dec 22nd “Conversations With Casey / My Favorite Quotes”:

    http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCwc.php?e=true

    Especially “The Immorality of the State” (1870) by Mikhail Bakunin

  • Delores Smith

    AMERICANS,
    It is VITAL that we use our minds and haunt our reps and Senators. I watch C-Span consistently. Don’t ever consider a physical revolution. It is exactly what Obama wants, so that he can enact an emergency law on the books…to take more control. Everything that Obama
    states is to instill fear in Americans. We’re tougher than that. Our first step is to change our majority that we elected. Senator Sessions, a lawyer, said on the Senate floor, “They are looking for a New World Order…well they are NOT going to get it.” Good Senators know what’s going on. Let’s work on the bad ones. We gained 60-62 seats in the House and have control. We don’t have control of the Senate yet, but we gained seats. This time it is our majority and Americans that will change things. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO BOB LIVINGSTON AND ALL OF YOU.
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

    • Castaway

      YOU can now take off the blinders and see the foolishness of your post. You basically want to sit and do nothing, out of fear. That is the problem as I see it. Most Americans are owned by fear.

      • DaveH

        To advocate not doing something foolish is not the same as not doing something out of fear. Get a grip, Castaway.

  • Terry

    Go to this website and download the Mein Kampf this is what the bastards in whitehouse are trying to accomplish

    http://pdf2me.com/preview/mein-kampf-25997900.htm

    it is free

  • Billy Cooper

    WELL ITS SAD THAT WE CANNOT USE PROFANITY IN OUR COMMENTS. BECAUSE WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE DOING TO THE REST OF US, IS A PROFANE SHAME. BUT FOLKS ITS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER. ITS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. YOU ASK WHAT IS THE SOLUTION TO THE AMERICAN VOTERS? I SAY IT WILL TAKE A FULL REVOLT BY THE PEOPLE, IF WE CAN FIND ENOUGH PEOPLE WITH “COJONES” WHO ARE WILLING TO MARCH ON WASHINGTON AND TELL THESE SORRY LOWDOWN BUNCH OF THIEVES, THAT WE ARE NOT, GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE. EVERYDAY WE CONTINUE TO SEE OUR FREEDOMS ERODED. WHERE DOES IT STOP? NOT WITH THIS PRESIDENT. IN FACT I MAKE THIS PREDICTION, “WE HAVENT SEEN NOTHING YET”

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Bob Thanks for the article. I did my best to persuade our senators but to no avail. The good news is that we have a clearer picture of the enemy within. I would suggest we make sure we are on on GOD’S SIDE, for “if God be for us then who can stand against us.” In the book of Daniel, God raised up an ungodly king to judge His Chosen People because of their rebellion against God and His Word. It is God that raises up Kings but it is also God that can put and end to their tyranny. Many do not understand the handwriting on the wall until it is to late.

    • DaveH

      Henry,
      Please don’t make this a Religious issue. There are many good freedom-loving people who don’t believe there is a god. Don’t alienate them.

  • Marlene

    I recently sent a letter to the newspaper complaining ofthe waste of natural resources by Obama. A woman in the state of Idaho rebutted my letter asking why I hated her president so much. Of course, the liberal paper wouldn’t print my denial of hatred butexplained my mistrust. Yesterday, I read my NewsMax newsletter which revealed what the media has been hiding from us. I, therefore am writing to the editor again to reveal what is happening with the Liar-in-Chief as follows:

    ‘I was asked by ‘J.C.’ of Coeur D’Alene, ID, why I dislike her Obama so much. Would the fact that the lying, thieving, murderer signed a bill, on December 1, condoning the same ‘death panels’ that he tore Sarah Palin apart for warning people of them, have something to do with it? He proposes to murder retired people who worked for MANY years of their lives at up to 3 jobs at a time to support their families and pay Social Security taxes and Medicare taxes. That invested money is what he plans to use to give the people avidly waiting for his handouts in the form of Obamacare (more of his narcissism). In keeping with his mandate of murder, our Socialist governor has signed a budget, cutting out Medicaid to assist the disabled. Why help those who need it if her adored ‘president’ is going to murder and rob them? J.C. stated that her Messiah had done so much to benefit this country. Like tripling the debt has helped us. How does she, and his other blind supporters, feel about government mandated murder? Don’t you think it’s now time to push hard for impeachment for crimes against the people?’

    This pretend president will eventually take over the Treasury and give the citizens a ‘dole’ according to what he feels they need, ala Communist Russia. He’ll justify his actions by declaring himself the ‘Kenyan King’ of our country. It’sin the offing and he’s pushing for it as hard as he can. We absolutely HAVE to get rid of this poor excuse of a human being as soon as possible to stop the impending genocide.

    What can you, Bob, tell us of this report from NewsMax?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston
    • http://ObamatheFirst Bob M

      Birth of a dynasty.

      I’ve been expecting this for years and now that the midterms are over and all our “lawmakers” feel safe again it’s going to be business as usual and just going to get worse.
      Let me give you a little senario about what I think may happen. After they have all the sheep (read Americans) properly conditioned, somewhere around the middle of 2012, there is going to be a “Terrorist Attack” for which President O’Bama is going to declare a state of “National Emergency”. Because of this emergency he will go to the Congress and request that all elections be delayed for the duration of the emergency as it would be a “bad thing” to change leadership in the middle of said emergency. Just like our current security setting has never gone below orange, this “Emergency” would never end and viola you have Barrack the First Dictator for Life just like his hero down in South America.

      • Strawberry Shortcake

        …orrr it’s going to be an economic collapse…like the dollar.

    • eddie47d

      Marlene; Since your main goal was to piss somebody off in sending that letter to the newspaper I don’t believe it should have been printed either. If everyone is pissed off then no one is listening. 40 years ago I sent dozens of letters to both our local papers and few were printed and all were respectful. They can only print so many and most get left out. Now you can answer or send that same letter to the comment section in the paper and it always get’s printed, (newspaper Internet blog).

      • DaveH

        Oh, sure, advice about being respectful from the master of respect (NOT) Eddie.

        • eddie47d

          You ply you’re disrespect with more disrespect.Is that jealousy or anger?

    • John Martin

      They didn’t print your letter because you sound like a complete nut job. Everything you say is completely wrong and is easily disproven by any rational person who has even a modicum of an open mind about the President or his policies. You can choose to be driven by irrational hatred if you want, but just don’t be surprised when reputable newspapers (sorry, but I don’t include NewsMax in that category)refuse to print your garbage.

      • Denniso

        I’m not sure how long you’ve been on this sit, but you will find plenty of irrationality and hatred here. I hope you will stick around and help instill some rationality and reason…it’s sorely needed.

  • Terry

    Sorry might have to go to this website to down load Hitler’s book

    http://pdf2me.com/pdf/mein-kampf.html then go to second preview and go to top on right and download this PD from source and then when appears go to disk icon and save to HD

  • Alvin Palmer

    To all who have responded to this article: Have you heard of the “Oath Keepers”? Perhaps you have but didn’t follow up – or you have not heard of the organization. In either case please follow this link and see what is going on and how you may help yourself, your family and your Country, the US of A.

    http://oathkeepers.org/oath

    • JC

      Excellent group of Patriots.
      Talk to your local Sherriff, ask if he is an Oathkeeper, be ready to stand beside him. (or her) :)

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      Alvin, thanks for the link I checked it out. I saw a member of the Oathkeepers on O’Reilly, so I’ve heard of these guys. My question to you is, while I think their purpose is terrific…where were they in Katrina? What happens if the dollar collapses (let’s just say) and there’s rioting and a perfect opportunity to declare some kind of martial law. What if they are coming door to door telling us they want our guns (like they did in Katrina)? What then? Will the oath keepers be there too? If you guys believe this to be a treasonous act (as I also do), does that mean I can tell them to leave or I will shoot? You and I both know what will happen if I did that…

      • JC

        Strawberry, keep in mind that these guys are not as many as we would like and that they have jurisdiction only in their own county’s.
        So find out where your local Sherriff stands and act accordingly knowing which side of the law they are on.
        PS – I don’t reccommend giving up your guns.
        Make sure you have back ups hidden in case they do get the ones in your house though.

        • Strawberry Shortcake

          Thanks for the input JC. My family has been trying to work out this scenario…it’s a tough one. We have four small kids we have to consider and we live in a suburban neighborhood…total grid. Many times it’s such a surreal thought to me, to have to mentally and physically prepare for such a possibility.

          • JC

            It’s a good idea to work out plans.
            How to get back together in the middle of a work / school day is good planning. Buy non cellular walkie talkies, they’re good up to 40 miles on flat terrain. Stock up and be ready to stay indoors for as much as 90 days. If at all possible have an escape route worked out and a place away from the city to go.
            Picture martial law or civil breakdown and plan accordingly.

          • http://none Mike

            Strawberry, There are some excellent emergency plans listed on Discovery and history .com. They ran a couple of disaster senerios and how the people lived through them on teir shows. They were extreamly educational. Mike L.

          • Shibamom

            Boy…I’m there with you on that one Strawberry!!

  • Fred

    Is it time for another war against Tierney.

    • BobbyB

      Gene Tierney? What did he do?

      • Claire

        “She”

        • JC

          Well Dammit! SHE better arm herself! LOL

          Come on guys cut a little slack…we know he meant “Tyranny”

  • Castaway

    I had commented here many times before the November vote, that it would not work and it would be business as usual after the elections. They are messing with your heads and fooling you just like professional wrestling. Both wrestling and politics are the same in many many ways and both are a f’ing joke.

    America is falling, and will fall to socialism (communism), and you will do nothing, as you are modern gutless Americans. Do any of you realize that it is nearly all over, but the crying?

    How many of you are willing to die, to try and stop this madness, and assault on our republic? I suspect not many. You like to hear yourselves complain, and that is the extent of it.

    • Shibamom

      And…just what do you plan to do about it hotshot???? Not all Americans are gutless, A-hole. It isn’t easy to think about having to shoot or hurt someone to survive. I’ve never had to even think about that and now that I do, it literally makes me sick to my stomach. I will do what I need to do to survive except become a slave.

  • Motago

    What happened to the lawsuits about forcing Obama to prove his elegibility to hold the Office of President of the United States?
    He has spent mmillions to conceal his true identity from public scrutiny. He should be impeached at the very least. Why can that not be done? Why should he be permitted to continue in office to finish out his term? There is sufficient evidence to void Obamacare now if those that truly represent the people take action now.

    • DaveH

      Obama is just the tip of the iceberg.

    • JC

      Because the Kenyan has been groomed from childhood to be the Globalist Meat Puppet that is going to take down America.
      And apparently enough of our Congressmen, Senators and the SCOTUS have either been bought or threatened into leaving the subjetc alone.
      Which is why any action in that direction will come from the people and the people alone.

  • TMB

    The problem is, too many say, “Yeah, vote the bastards out! Just not my bastard, he’s ok.”

    I’m trying to find Gault’s Gulch. Can you tell me where it is?

  • Bill

    The usurper and his commie ilk now control all aspects of our lives except one, our Second Amendment Right to keep and bear arms, and they will be coming after our guns real soon under the guise of declared martial law for some contrived “crisis” of their making.

    Big Brother now controls all our means of communications (radio, TV, internet, mail – USPS), public transportation, private transportation (further continued devaluation of the dollar will send the price of oil and consequently gasoline through the roof – falls right in line with no allowed exploration/drilling for oil here in the USA), the air we breathe, and now the food we eat or will be allowed to eat, etc., etc.

    Remember, any or all private competition to any of the above can be shut down in an instant by Big Brother. Our roads, especially the Interstate Highway system, can be closed off in an instant by Big brother and, the price of gasoline can be manipulated by Big Brother so no one will be able to afford it. All our means of communications can now be shut down in an instant by Big Brother. Our food supply including seeds for a home garden can now be cut off in an instant by Big Brother. Power to our homes can now be shut off or cut back in an instant by Big Brother. They will be coming after our guns under the cover of the UN Small Arms treaty recently signed on by Hillary and Obummer. Last December the usurper, by Executive Order, did away with the last restrictions on Interpol (UN) operations in the USA. They now have unfettered authority in the USA answerable to no one or the US Constitution in the USA. In essence, the usurper and his commie ilk have us by the short ones! Or so they think. People, do your research on-line while it is still available. For those that don’t think it can happen here, remember what happened in Germany when Hitler came in to power.

    As a reminder to what they have in store for those of us that don’t blindly follow or fall in line, Google “FEMA camps” and “Internment Specialists” and get prepared.

    Patriots, it’s time to load, lock and stand ready.

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      Funny old Thomas Jefferson must have known something the rest of us aren’t willing to face. People like Glenn Beck…who can mention the title of a book and have it move into the best seller position in a matter of hours up there preaching pacifism will only continue to breed a complacent public. I believe we are already there, but there will come a point when the below option is the ONLY option, well aside from handing over your guns and doing as they say. People need to start dealing with that fact and remember our founders KNEW what it would take to secure a Republic. Did you think the bad guys would just go away? What fools we have been….

      “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
      The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
      wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
      they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
      it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
      And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
      warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
      resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
      to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
      in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
      time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
      It is its natural manure.”

      • http://ObamatheFirst Bob M

        So! We are finally advocating armed insurrection, politics at the muzzle of a high powered rifle! Who do we shoot first? I have a list but it’s sort of like stepping on cock roaches, squish one and another takes its place. Also I have but one rifle, the government controls millions and very few will refuse to hunt me because I say I am a Patriot. I am willing to provide my life in defense of my country, did it for 20 years, but to throw it away for no gain???

      • DaveH

        Why are some of you people talking about violence? People are just beginning to wake up to the dangers of Big Government and you want to throw that momentum away? The Liberals (I include many Republicans) are chomping at the bit for an excuse to unleash the US Military on us. Don’t give them that excuse! Save that energy to wake up your friends and relatives to the realities of Big Goverment.

        • JC

          I agree Dave. Use deadly force only in the natural defense of life and property…as long as you possibly can.

  • dave

    You people still don’t get it!There is now more power in the printed word as far as GOV. is concerned.Look at the last 10 years,nothing but total disregard for the constitution, and the people of this country,out side the political cirlcles of course!The only things that will save this nation is GOD,and the unforseen or mentioned Revolution that needs to happen and needs it now!Wake up people this is the time for all good God fearing people to rise up and preserve what our for fathers set before us!the political machine is moving and MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS!

    • http://ObamatheFirst Bob M

      Oh, Yeah! Get on your knees and thump that ol bible! And while your down there on your knees railing at a mythical diety to do what you to chikenshit to do, turn around turn around and give ol Obama a present, after all your allready on your knees.

      Wasn’t it Marx that said religion is the opiate of the masses?

      So to paraphrase my dad, pray with one hand and dig your grave with the other, see which one is fulfilled first.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Yea . . . he sure did say that Bob . . . and his devout followers killed over 200 million in the 20th century.

      • JC

        That was a disgusting response from what I can only assume is a neanderthal low life.

  • J. Hyatt

    Now what do we do about it? This happening because nobody really know what to do about it. We can’t physically go in there and pick them up and carry them out….can we? I’ll bet a group of ..oh say 10-20 million people could do it. We better start doing something,and soon!!!

  • EdinNola

    You MUST stop regarding the state of affairs in Washington D.C. as a partisan (Democrat / Republican) issue. We are in the middle of “the final days” of a Communist take-over of the U.S. This essentially will complete the take-over of the world. Wake up damn it.

  • http://com i41

    The constant consodidating of “public” eductation and the union running the book trained idoit teachers, why should we expect anything different. I did have some older teachers when I went to country schools, where one teacher taught all 8 grades and up to 28 students. Out of all my 8 grades going to country schools, only one teacher, ever was a member of the teachers union. Now the Education Dept is planning to discontinue civics classes on state government studies, and fed government studies for jr or seniors. Talk about dumbing students down, 2 things stand out in this advisory group, Usually they are from east coast or west coast college professors, the other thing, is they have never did anything but work for state or federal agencies, push papers and theorize as socialist democrats. When JFK was elected I was a first grader and our school got to go and watch JFK’s inaguralation at a neighbor ranch on a 15″ B&W TV. When I told my folks about the ra ra hype and non-stop slobbering over the Kennedies and Jacky. My Mom rold me, Washington was a cesspool, and Kennedies were all crooks and wanted laws for everyone else, but broke so many they should be in jail, like the Mob friends they ran with, including their preceding generations of family. What I remembered was taking control of schools, being handed over to the feds and removing control from local and state elected officals. The b–l s–t out of Washington was to consolidating small schools, it would save money for the school districts. With in 2 years, schools left had to hirer more teachers and contend with massive costly regulations. Travel costs went way up for each student, more than tripled, and test scores went down. Sounds just like all the crap that has been rammed through in the last 2 years by the socialist dumbocraps and the jug eared marxist muslim jackass. Over the years every time a Marxist Communist Democrat Socialist Union Puke gets elected to office, regulations on everything goes totally beserk. SB510 was being put together since 2007 and ties in with land use provisions started by Nuts Carter in the early ’70S. Then increased inmenselly by Whorehound Clinton in the ’90s, and since Onumnutts wants to follow the UN mandater of 2007 to outlaw private land ownership, and the socialist plan by the marxist muslim to use a executive order, to make everyone a serf. The whiners that only call the opposing party of their veiws, solves not a damn thing. This lame dork session was a joke, the few rino’s got exposed, but the f–king dumbocraps still own all the crap that got passed. As news comes out what a waste START was and how USA got hosed. Go to any grade and high school and see that basket weaving and worthless sports crap that waste billions and doesnt’t teach the student who government businesses work or the real world needed skills. Keep voting for the Marxist Communist Democrap Socialist Union Porkers and everyone will be eating shipped in poor quality food and drugs, and all of will live in crap conditions and there will be only 2 classes, elitists of the government and, the rest of the serfs getting government spending cards that are paying everyone the same amount. Most of the pavement pounding pencil necks can produce anything productive, even to feed themselves.

  • Ed Weirdness

    With so many of the best and brightest ‘patriotic’ thinkers on our side, why aren’t any of them working to find alternatives to the ‘Internet’ as a means of communication for the ‘conservative resistance movement’?

    Seriously, Government recognizes that only because the Internet allowed so many ‘obese’, sedentary, some might say cowardly citizens to participate in an abstract, anonymous uprising that required little more than ‘forwarding’ links and messages, that by constraining the Internet, they put implicit limits on a population that will grow fearful and disaffected, and thus cease their calls for meaningful change.

    Objectively, save for the larger, and indeed, more self serving organizations within the conservative resistance movement, those that depend on flashy marketing, and bandwidth intensive ‘videos’ to motivate their base, most of what happened last November was the result of very brief e-mails and messaging, based on a shared community of interests, and a loosely affiliated, highly motivated citizenry. Based on market demographics, the growth of media, and the Internet, the twitter feeds, etc,,, are trending toward stagnant.

    Whether this is the result of government intrusion (google ‘deep packet’ if you really want to see what hazards Internet reliance represents), costs, or simply the realization of the public that there are ’500 channels, and not a damn thing to see’ will be filtered out sooner rather than later. Still, putting all our eggs in one basket (the Internet), seems like a poor way to manage a revolution that has the potential of restoring the will of the people as the sole guidance in our governance. The strength of our movement is in it’s loose affiliations, it’s ‘de-centralized’ nature, and owes much to our our willingness to fight efforts to constrain our ability to speak, and our ability to develop alternative strategies when government oversteps it’s mandate.

    Both Party’s leadership would prefer to keep ‘control of the airwaves’ firmly in their grasp. It’s only when one party is substantively out of power that we see any inclination to ‘restore the free speech rights of citizens’. Yet each time, such efforts are ‘compromised’ under the pretense of ‘anti-terrorism’.

    The Internet, owing to it’s profit motivations will continue on a course that diminishes our privacy and our anonymity, whether through Government mandate (under the pretext of protecting us from terrorists, again just google ‘deep packet’) or simply as the result of corporate greed, and our own self interested laziness.

    Not every good in society comes from the Internet. One need look no further than the myriad businesses and organizations that once were American icons, yet now are unable to conduct the most rudimentary of business transactions without Internet or e-mail! Try and find a local book store, or music store. Sadly, so many American’s have allowed themselves to become solely dependent on the Internet, and then bemoan the fact that there are no jobs or business growth in their communities. The simple act of doing business or communicating outside the Internet, diminishes Government’s ability to control even more of our lives. Would it kill any of you to ‘step away from the keyboard’, meet your neighbors, or simply get a little exercise waling up to the kiosk to buy a movie ticket?

    Let’s not forget that this effort to silence voices on the Internet, is being disguised as a necessity because ‘netflix’ and other streaming entities are perceived to be getting rich off the back of the poor multi-billion dollar phone companies who are forced to ‘use up their precious bandwidth’ just so portly American’s don’t have to trouble themselves with movie theaters, or video stores, or retailers, or jobs, in their communities.

    Bitching about the Internet may eventually pay off, but not nearly as quickly as it would if we demonstrate our unwillingness to allow our laziness and ‘cheapness’ to dictate our options. Next time your at home, reaching for that mouse while you’re wiping pizza sauce off your shirt, think about your options for obtaining the goods and services and entertainment you desire. Sure it’s a pain to slip out of your ‘track suit or pajamas’, get dressed and go down to the video store, or the office supply, etc,,,,. But recognize that keeping retailers and merchants in your community, also helps keep jobs and a sense of community as well. If we interact with one another, get to know our fellow citizens, we will retain our ability to communicate, organize, and take action when government undermines or oppresses our interests. The key to success, whether in business or society, is to never allow oneself to become dependent on anyone or anything. Never allow government any more control over your ability to think for yourself or speak your mind. And never, never become dependent on any technology that allows government an easy way to manipulate society.

  • http://charter howe

    Bob, your 27 Dec article is spot on. Never have so many been governed improperly by so few. Its almost like they all have their own agenda that should be pleasing to WE THE PEOPLE. The Republicans who are suppose to represent the conservative segment of the population who happened to be in the majority continue to find coal in their Xmas stockings thanks to the Congressiopnal Grinches who don’t hear us. I am disappointed in the actions or lack of actions from the RNC Michael (the jitterbug) Steele, the Spkr John (the cry baby) Boehnor and the RSNC John (the legal beagel) Cornyn. The lame duck was a huge victory for Obama and his supporters and the country will have to listen to the fallout from thaqt for years to come. The DADT will grease the skids for redefining marriage which most people are against, the Start Treaty makes our country weaker, the Bush tax cut legislation was not a tax cut, it was keeping the taxes at the same level as it was in years past. The Democrats and Obama sold this as a tax cut for the rich which was really about passing the same tax rate that has existed for years. The emphasis was not the same tax rate being carried forward, but a tax cut for the rich. Nether party tried to compromise to introduce legislation to incentivise the tax rate to reward wealthy employers for hiring people long term. It was all about fighting for political gain and in the process managed to create a 150 billion dollar deficit add on for unemployment benefits for those who were still unemployed. So in 2011, when Obama’s lousy economic policies continue to wreak havoc on the economy, he will then be able to blame the “Republican tax cuts for the rich” that he supported because America was being “held hostage” on unemployment benefits. It is merely a new twist on the same old tired Democrat class warfare rhetoric. Nothing changes so much as it stays the same.This lunacy will continue with the sorry lot of liberals and progressives on both sides of the aisle. The Tea Party has its work cut out and that movement may save our bacon if the people who are in denial get engaged.

    • Angel Wannabe

      howe, DADT, will open the door for any and all perversions in marriage, as if they’re aren’t enough perverts already.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      2% get Tax Cut
      Get 65 Billion over two years.
      Own 50% Total Financial Wealth–po suckers need hel[
      Get 30% Total National Income–bless po hearts
      Jobs–in 8 of Bush created 31,000 net new jobs per month or worst since Hoover. roll dem dice.

      2% got filthy rich by “Gambling” not creating businesses and jobs
      Dow hi of 11,720 in 2000 now below that number aftet ten years.
      2001-207–1% got 66% total income gain and 90% ot 10%.
      Top 400 Inoome paid 18% Income Tax.
      S&P 500 largest corporations–200 Paid no income tax. 79 got tax refund on billions in revenue.

      That folks is why in fiscal 2009 the federal government got total revenue of 2100B
      Spend 3500B.. Deficit of 1400B

      17.5% Paid. It took 32% to Pay Our Way.

      Clinton/Newt paid their way for several years.

      What happened? Top Few own us

      • DaveH

        Cuba is waiting for you, Clarence.

  • Another Voice

    Too many Americans do not know the difference between liberty and license, and these liberties have been abused – hence the crackdown. It is unfortunate that greater regulations are needed, but too many people are harmed by the actions of greedy companies.

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      like bailouts? you always have the option to take your business elsewhere. the government should not have the power to regulate any company. there isn’t such thing as too big to fail. sorry. if the government really cared about the people that would be harmed by AIG (for example) then maybe they would have voted to give the money back to the taxpayers, since it’s our money to begin with and in many cases (like income tax, wrong for taking it to begin with). but see, they have interests to protect and it’s isn’t the American public. this type of mentality that you have is a dangerous one…it ends up allowing the FCC to tell congress and the federal courts to shove it. power breeds corruption…every single time.

    • DaveH

      For people who can’t think for themselves, and think Government meddling in the marketplace will bring prosperity:
      http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking

  • Angel Wannabe

    __”This Republic was not Established by Cowards, and Cowards will not preserve it.”__American writer Elmer Davis (1800-1858)
    *******************************************************

    Billy Graham’s daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her “How could God let something like this Happen?” (regarding Katrina)

    Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, “I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we’ve been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

    And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?”

    If our vote or our voices aren’t working to change the evils in Washington, God is all we have!

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    It is foolish of Americans to believe that our current problems with the economy and violation of the constitution can be resolved at the polls.
    Neither the oligarchs or politicians will pay attention to the masses as long as their are sitting home watching “Dancing with the Stars”, playing with their I-Phones or shopping at the Mall.
    Only when they are hungry enough Americans will wake up and march in the streets but by then it could be too late.

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      exactly.

  • http://Q Corey

    God, God, God I’m sick of hearing about God! Where is he? Why hasn’t he come down and stopped this horribly thing yet? Because God was the cause of the salem witch trials (Murders)and more atrocities then anything else in history! Stop the god crap! Take some resonsibility for yourselves and quit trying to pawn all your crap off onto a mythical creature! God and his laws will take even more of your freedoms then a goverment ever can! As for government, when half to three quarters of the populaces paychecks come from government, nothing will change. Even if you don’t work directly for the government, your pensions, your healthcare, your infrastructure, and nearly every thing else that all you whiners love to enjoy comes from it! Bullets change governments far surer then votes comes to mind, but if you plan on changing the government for some religious based horsecrap, I’m not interested at all! No murder, no theft, and stay the hell out of my life I can live with, But don’t tell me anything else to I need to do period. When that is your angle of a free government I will support it, But as long as people like yourselves want to include the scourge of humanity (AKA RELIGION) then don’t ask me to help a bunch of children who can’t tell the difference between myth and reality!

    • Tazio2013

      Corey,

      Outstanding reply and welcome to the “onepercenters. You are indeed an intelligent and articulate individual.

      PLD needs more contributors of your caliber and fewer practitioners of crusading christianism.

      • S.C.Murf

        To bad the both of you are so lost, I can see we won’t be getting any help from either of you to get us out of this mess

    • http://ObamatheFirst Bob M

      AMEN!

    • Theophilus

      The rejection of God is the rejection of the only reasonable explanation for the order of the universe, the complexity of life, and the existance of truth. Nearly all of the principles that you claim to stand for come from Judeo/Christian roots. Were it not for those roots you would probably live in in either total anarchy or as a slave to either a Taliban-like tyrant or a Joe Stalin wannabe. To assert that the mind boggling complexity of the human body came from evolution is akin to believing in the most absurd of fairy tales. Just examine the complexity of the human eye and any theory that natural processes caused this biological and mechanical wonder to come into being will quickly evaporate. God gets a lot of blame because of the people who claim to know him but that doesn’t make God bad, it only proves why we need Him so much. To think that we can solve the problems that confront us from every side without God’s help is silly, wishful thinking. The founding fathers and the greatest of our leaders have all publicly stated their reliance on God i.e Washington, Madison, Adams, Monroe, Lincoln, etc. In God we trust is more than a motto on our money, it is (was) the engine that built, sustained, and prospered this country. Take note that as we have turned away from Him we have rapidly declined and the bottom is nowhere in sight.

    • DaveH

      Wake up, People! I don’t care if you don’t believe in God, or do believe in God. We ALL need to stick together if we have any hope whatsoever of getting our Freedom back.

    • Dale on the left coast

      “Because God was the cause of the salem witch trials (Murders)and more atrocities then anything else in history!” . . . . well Kory I have to disagree . . . you see “Athiesm” was the Mass-Murder of the 20th century. The athiestic regemes in the USSR and Maoest China (revered by some in todays WH) killed over 200 million. No other religion can come close . . . . but I expect the muzzies are No. 2!!!

  • Norman Taber

    You point to others, but you did nothing to help curb the abusses in the financial markets. You are pointing to what most people knew, but you kept quiet about your part in the situation. The Democrats knew what was the problem, but you kept your mouth shut and support the Republicans that protect the rich. Their position was not enounced and they are now invaded by ‘know nothings’. The Republicans compromised due to their unability to control the new representatives that do not know how government works. The imperfect compromise protected the poor and the rich tax evading companies. To ad to this you are yelling fire. You should shove it. We can only hope that the dollarf will maintain its value and if it does not, you have to cry.

    • DaveH

      Oh, Please, Norman. The Democrat leaders are just as guilty as the Republican leaders when it comes to catering to the Crony Capitalists. If you really want to end the Crony Capitalism we need to get Government out of the marketplace, so that competition can thrive and the consumer can get back his/her crown. Neither major party is offering that.

      • JC

        That is an undisputable fact.

  • BobbyB
  • http://yahoo Lyon

    This website shows all movies and information that describes everything in this thread.. If you guys could send this website to everyone you care about, and make it viral before the Gistapo FCC finds it and shuts it down.. To the right are movies like Food INC. The Obama deception etc..But the What are they spraying is indeed alarming..You guys better get stacked up on Vitamins and anything else that will keep you more healthy..

    http://dprogramfilms.net/?p=1799

    • DaveH

      I saw Food, Inc., and it was nauseatingly Liberal. I had to walk out 3/4 of the way through. Some of their ideas were good, but they pointed to Big Government as the solution, rather than voluntary choice.

      • http://yahoo Lyon

        Hey Dave, Food Inc is absolutely scary but indeed Liberal..The main catcher though is What in the World are they spraying? It shows the Nazi’s spraying toxic waste basically on us to make us ill so they can march forward with their plan to depopulate us, and at the same time make us buy their Forced health care, and Big Corp controlled foods..Along the way we also are weaker to of course give no resistence to them..Please send that site to all of whom you care about..

        • JC

          Sort of reminds me of the way cattle are treated in a feed lot.

          • Claire

            Moooo lol

  • Howard R Gray

    People are very well aware of the state of the nation and the state of the states within the union, November merely confirmed what followed the earlier debacles in Massachusetts and New Jersey. Tin ears are the order of the day, even the latest Rhinoceros activity of the Republican party over the tax cuts says it all, there is much more that is needed.

    How about inventing a whole new political and legal agenda to deal with over mighty subjects, nothing new it started with Charles I, the French Revolution and so on. A whole new methodology and argument needs to be created removing the massive interference of unnecessary laws and, perhaps more importantly, subsidiary or secondary legislation. Law making is becoming a farce, who knows what is in the tax code? The process recommended here would make that untenable, laws that can’t be read and are substantially off topic from beginning to end must go. The first rule should be topicality and readability, if a law is neither it should be recalled or abolished before it goes to the printers or the PDF files.

    The law schools and the legal profession need a makeover, while we are at it, in how they recruit and operate. The legal system could do with a few small reforms that would greatly change the way the system operates. Here are some thoughts on these topics, I am sure there are others yet to be invented.

    A phagic system of law needs to be created, basically to extend sun-setting of laws and regulations that are unused and laws rules that are unfair and unconstitutional. Laws should have a limited life and must needs be reintroduced regularly to stay on the books; in short most laws that do not get a unanimous vote should have a limited life before returning for review.

    Why not havea system of recalling laws, much like politicians, if a petition gains more than 10% of the voting public the law should be removed from the books. We can argue percentages here but you get the point. A precedent for this idea is the voting of the armed services into existence each year in the UK since Cromwell, so parliaments can do this if they want to; we need to hold their feet to the fire to do this. It’s ideas that beat the enemy not complaints.

    It is useful to understand the difference between substantive law and adjectival law. Procedure and evidence, as opposed to criminal law and contract law, are examples of adjectival law and substantive law. The adjectival process of creating law needs serious overhaul and new ideas need to be inserted into the process to prevent law making from being easy and overzealous. The legislators will squeal about any trammeling of their powers, good, the more the noise the greater the need to change the method. Besides earmarks and pork there is a requirement to prevent all bills from raising finance on their face as appears to be the case as the moment. In the UK, only the consolidated fund can raise finance. Bills that attempt to do so are considered hybrid and are disallowed. Look up Maxwell Hyslop MP and Tony Benn the then Minister of Transport over a shipping bill. Limiting revenue raising to specialized bills prevents many of the abuses seen in earmarks and porking.

    Creating a process where bills need to be funded ab inito would kill a vast number of projects. All legislation should be created on a subject and relevance basis; any provisions that are not on subject are ejected from the bill before it can even be tabled. Legislation should only be on topic, omnibus bills would no longer see the light of day they should be banned. The advent of such rules and snarls would remove much legislation from the annual calendar. This is the point about phagic methods based on the idea of the macrophage, a virus that consumes bacteria, phagic methods create rules and laws that in turn consume useless rules and laws; think of it as a form of recall of laws rather than just politicians. In short, a method to remove or recall rules and laws, rather than just the people who create them. This might be by petition or by law suit in front of a jury to decide if a law should b prorogued and sent back or even abolished. This is ultra democratic stuff here you decide if this makes sense. I believe it does what do you think?

    Most law making relies on the fact that law makers have years between elections to do damage beyond control by those of us who pay for all this bovine fertilizer. Creating claw-backs, recalls, ultra-democratic methods is what is at stake here. Infest the legislative calendar with an over sight and public revision principles let alone a recall of politicians and you have a way or reducing power and increasing relevance in any laws that survive the process. The less laws the better and, more to the point, the easier it should be to remove the bad ones and sunset those that are useless or harmful.

    As for lawyers, one easy method is to abolish rights of audience for lawyers in the courts merely allow anyone to advocate in the courts but retain the right to charge for lawyers. The public would soon find out who is worth paying for resulting in a vast reduction in lawyers in trial practice. Bar exams should be abolished. The only requirement to be a lawyer should be 3 years pupilage in a law practice under supervision of an attorney at law nothing more nothing less. Interstate practice should be as of right; no state should have a monopoly of law in the state for its local lawyers. Lawyers would still tend to have law degrees but it should not be a requirement, nor should there be a state monopoly on the law in any locality of the union.

    One other thing would be to introduce the English system of costs in all actions nationwide; this in one stroke would abolish a vast number of unmeritorious cases. In short if you lose a case you pay the other side’s fees. In the UK it is a little more elaborate than that, the method is once the case is over the loser and the winner must put their bills of costs to a court official, the taxing master, who goes through the claims with a blue pencil and cuts out the fat from the bills before the costs awards are allowed to bite. This one reform would reduce the number of lawyers by half in the nation as a whole. Security for costs, i.e. payments into court in advance on bad cases would prevent most going ahead, the litigant would be made to indemnify his opponent in advance of an action.

    These are just some ideas for the Tea Party movement to canvas in promoting change that we can believe in. Most new or novel ideas will be resisted by the RHINO element, so be it, the idea is to never let up in putting them forward, over the years the reforms will come. Unintended consequences may well happen in putting reforms into action, that is a price to pay but the alternative is far worse. The system is so far out of order that something needs to be done. The avalanche of omnibus and unreadable laws and rules needs stopping here are some ways to do it, there may be better ways but here is a start.

  • Brody

    I used to think being 66 was not a good thing in our young world but now I realize I can do something younger American’s can’t do!

    I can actually recall free times in America when we planted our own seeds without worry over confiscations for not using Monsanto’s. When free speech was still freely engaged in without impunity. Etc etc – you know – things that you can’t do today – but —-

    I can remember these freer times – and they can’t take that away from me…..Can They!!??

    • Diverjimk

      Yes I also remember freer times. I also remember the time before the “entitlement” and “victimization” mentalities became so strong. The time when this country became the greatest country in the world, not on the backs of government entitlement programs but on the backs of people working to better themselves. Back when pregnancy out of wedlock was something to hide. All of a sudden it’s OK??? Back before pro-abortion people found a “right” to it. All of a sudden it’s OK??? back before Don’t ask, don’t tell when homosexuals were banned from the military. All of a sudden it’s OK??? Back when every state had anti-sodomy laws. All of a sudden it’s OK??? I could go on and on. Liberals don’t believe in “slippery slopes” but they exist.

      If the Republicans start acting like a bunch of liberals perhaps the Tea Party will find some other sane, reasonable people who understand what this country was all about when it was founded.

      By the way, the Constitution is not a living document!!! It is not open to reinterpretation. If you don’t like what it says, amend it. That is the only way the Constitution itself allows itself to be changed.

    • http://none Mike

      Brody, Dont take anything labled anti-depressant or they just might. Mind altering drugs are being developed every day. Mike L.

      • JC

        Don’t take ANYthing at all…unless you absolutely have to.
        I haven’t taken anything stronger than an aspirin for 15 years…
        I haven’t even had so much as a cold in all that time.

        • Claire

          JC— I agree-don’t take anything unless you have to. I do not take any kind of medication. I haven’t had an aspirin for years either. My husband is on so many kinds of medicines that he has to take one to counterbalance another one. It goes on and on. The medicine they gave him when he had open heart surgery destroyed his kidneys. Does anyone ever really listen to the “side effects” of all the medicine advertised on TV?

  • Tom SC

    Our preasant Govt. is broke. Where and how are they funding Obama care and the pet projects of a corupt administration?? The Socialist billionairs that are financing the left need to be removed. For those of you who would reject God from the equassion, when the end comes don’t call on God but seek help from Obama and discover he will have more to do in order to save his own butt than to be concerned about anyone else.

    • S.C.Murf

      Amen

  • Eric Siverson

    I get a kick out of these sickening republicans talking about our goverenment taking what is rightfully yours . Nothing on earth is rightfully yours you fools . A man with a gun can easily take whats rightfully yours , So can a lawyer and Judge , or a country with a army , even just a goverenment and a law . Whats rightfull yours is soon legaly thiers . Morality is the key to a countries success . ever heard you get the leadership you deserve . About the only thing that is truely rightfully yours is death . evreything else is a gift .

    • DaveH

      Please give me the property that is not rightfully yours, Eric. Thank you in advance.

  • eddie47d

    The EPA takes a licking from Bob L. but most Americans want emissions to be regulated from power plants. Since factories and refineries were and still are slow in regulating themselves. Then that mean ol’ government has to step in to protect our health. There are a few on here who live in that lollipop world where they think private industry will always do right for their customers and non-customers alike. If these businesses don’t “clean up” their act then the capitalist system get’s a black eye. This doesn’t give the government a free pass either and 2 wrongs don’t make a right.Yet private business has had years to step up to the plate in dealing with air pollution. Some will say that these companies are over regulated as it is and they will leave the country and some have. I say where was their loyalty to begin with? Wasn’t our health more important to them. Power companies can’t just pack up and leave unless they run out of fuel so the question is mote. They can’t be like other businesses who make their fortunes and then abandon America.

    • http://none Mike

      Eddie, too many times though for the right amount of money the EPA tends to turn a blind eye to things. The latest BP disaster was one of thoes times. And to be honest the coverup still prevails on that one. When they drilled that well they cracked a salt dome in the process. Onces the well broke through it it has begun to decay. This disaster has only just begun not been contained or ended.There is really only one way to have recoverd that oil safely that would have been to drill under it and siphon from the bottem. But this would have been costly and BP is all about the profit. They ignored the advice of their own scientist on this. And just might have altered the oceans permently by doing so. Only time will tell but I am afraid its going to be a bad story in the end. And thats just one of the many failures of the EPA. The list just goes on and on and on . Mike L.

    • DaveH

      Bob isn’t talking about pollution, Eddie. He is talking about the EPA getting involved in the regulation of Carbon Dioxide. Get it straight.

      • eddie47d

        Having a bad day Dave H.? Bob L. says the EPA “will regulate emissions from fossil fuel power plants by 2011 and refineries by 2012″ That is pollution Dave, so get over yourself.

        • DaveH

          If you weren’t so Ignorant, Eddie, you would know that Bob was talking about Carbon Dioxide.

          • DaveH

            Maybe Bob does need to get a little more explicit for Ignorant people like yourself, Eddie.

          • JC

            Which is a Greenhouse Gas.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Exactly, Bob. Keep up the good work.

  • barbm

    the reason campaign for liberty, the tea party, and other groups were formed was to stop this kind of thing. when the new group is sworn in in january, we’ll see if we did any good. they can take away some of the crap this lame duck congress is passing. if they don’t, we need to fir them next time. i will NOT vote for cornyn or hutchison when they next run as they both voted yes.

    • DaveH

      Barb,
      Remember that the Senate is still controlled by the Democrats, and Obama will still be president. The best we can hope for is a stalling of Government Growth. Don’t be too impatient. But do follow the voting records of your Representatives and do vote them out if they don’t tow the line of Freedom.

  • Theophilus

    When the likes of Pelosi, Reid, and Frank can get reelected there isn’t much hope for turning this country around through the election process. It will take a catastrophe of Biblical proportions to wake people up to the harm that has been done to our republic.

  • jopa

    Why do so many on this site refuse to acknowledge the fact that the Bush administration came up with the Patriot act that took away so many freedoms?I don’t feel as though I was raped by the Constituition and those that do probably could use some rape counseling.You are beginning to sound as if you are going to go over the deep end.And another thing is that darn government taking the crap out of food that comes from Mexico, the lead out of toys fom China and the poisons and toxins that farmers use to kill bugs.Some people might like the taste of this lead and crap and now they make laws and rules to take it out.Write to your Senator today and tell him you eat sh–.

    • BobbyB

      I wonder that myself. Bush did more to strip our freedoms than anyone in recent history. I took the election of a 1/2 black man for 1/2 the country to realize we are screwed.

      None of the “War on Terrah” was about protecting us. It was about keeping us in line while our pockets are picked.

      I imagine there are a lot of Fox viewers here. That could explain it~

      • Angel Wannabe

        jopa nad bobby__these b*stards in the White House & Congress can and do, use the very Constitution that protects us, to control & destroy us. The Patriot Act was originally drafted for use on alledged terrorists. In the hands of the corrupt, it gets twisted and used against the American people. Now, You can put any name ya want to it._ Bush this, Bush that. Most legislation starts out on decent terms, unless they broad base the language and leaves holes in it, for amending, is when it gets misused. and I don’t care what side of the fence they’re on R or D!_Washington is so deep in corruption in every corner, its doubtful we’ll ever get out from under it now!

    • DaveH

      Duh, Jopa, Bush is no longer our president. I hope I didn’t shock you too much with that revelation.
      So if the government allowed the toys with lead, you would buy them, and let your children eat them? Wait, don’t answer that. You are Democrat, so you probably would. Duh.

  • BOBBY

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    • Karolyn

      WTF?

    • Shibamom

      A second “WTF” is warranted on this post!!

  • David S.

    If we are going to fight, it is essential that we see and understand clearly who and what the enemy is and what are the weapons that are effective against him. Otherwise, we are just throwing our resources at imagined foes that will not affect in the least what is in play.
    First of all, the Bible, the God inspired writing that shows history from before the creation of the present world and man and gives us details of events until the end of this present age into the coming age, is the only reliable source of knowing what is truly happening and what to do.
    Even though it presents many things that we still do not understand and about which many people claim errors, (eg. the creation) there are too many things that are indisputable to people who are unbiased and seeking to know the truth. This is particularly true when it comes to the matter of history and the rise and fall of nations.
    God revealed to Abraham the matter that He would give the land on which he was sojourning to his descendents. But He told him that they would go to Egypt for four hundred years and be mistreated and eventually return to the land and posses it. (Genesis 15:13-21).
    Years later, after all that had happened, God raised up David who formed the nation into a world force that conquered a great part of the surrounding nations who served Israel for a time. But the seeds of decline bore fruit in the subsequent kings who did not follow the Law that God had given and God warned the people patiently and consistently that if they did not repent, He was going to use a wicked, cruel nation to discipline them. But He specifically told them that the captivity would be for 70 years and then He would use Cyrus to return them to the land to rebuild the city and the temple. (Jeremiah 25:11-12, 29:10-14, Isaiah 44:28- 45:6)
    During that time of captivity, God used a young man named Daniel for a period of over 70 years to reveal many details of coming events. The first was an overview of human government as a great image including the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian and Roman empires which are subsequently totally obliterated by the Rock cut out without human intervention. (See http://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=%23%22%22%23%2B) He was also given other visions that included details of the aforementioned empires and then a detailed revelation about his people, Israel.
    Woven through all these events and prophesies is the crucial matter of all the Bible and of all of history; the plan of God to enter into humanity, going through all the process of conception (by the Spirit of God), human living, the all-inclusive death as the Lamb of God to deal with all the sin of mankind and His death conquering, life releasing resurrection, and producing the church as His enlargement and expression on the earth until the full building up of the Body of Christ being prepared as the corporate Bride of the Lamb to be the New Jerusalem in the New Heaven and the New Earth.
    All of the events of history in true perspective are for the fulfillment of this matter.
    God raised up Babylon to deal with His prostate people. During that time He was with them and dealt with them and eventually brought them back to the land to build up the city and the temple so that the Messiah could come as He had promised.
    Jesus spoke to the leaders of Israel in His time, warning them that their rejection of Him would bring just judgment on them that was fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. (Matthew 21:33-46)
    The prophesies in the Bible concerning Israel gave full indication that the Israelites would eventually be brought back to their land which we have seen in the last century. This is in preparation for the second coming of the Messiah, this time with full retribution for His enemies that are focused on destroying Israel, and the culmination of the time of man’s government and the establishing of the only government that is based on truth and justice that will bring real peace.
    During these years since the first coming of the Messiah, God has raised up different nations that have been the vehicles to bring the good news of the Savior-God who desires all men to be delivered from the bondage of sin and self and come to the full knowledge of Himself. None of these nations have been perfect and all have succumbed to the deceit of their own greatness.
    Lastly, God has been pleased to raise up a nation that was comprised of a great number of people who came to this new land seeking to be free of the tyranny of the religions that had persecuted them in many countries. They came with the sense of destiny to establish a place where men could serve and worship God with freedom.
    The institutions that were established were largely for the propagating of the Word of God. The source of wisdom that was used to produce the Constitution for the government that eventually was produced came almost in its entirety from the Bible. God has used the nation of The United States of America during the past two centuries to propagate the Truth that sets men free to many parts of the world.
    That is not to say that the USA is or has been everything that God wants.
    The point in question at this moment is: What is God’s plan with this nation?
    We talk about “Taking America back”. But back to what? Back to my comfort, my preference, my prospering? All of those stink in the eyes of the One that has entrusted the wealth and power of this country along with it’s responsibility to us. All of those “backs” have built up a nation that is known more for it’s perversions and license than for truth.
    This is directed to those who know and love Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords. Just as He said, His kingdom is not of this world and is not aligned with any worldly system. Yet His kingdom is greater than any nation and affects every worldly kingdom. As the worldly system is intensifying its rejection of the only true King politically, economically and socially (Luke19:14), the King in His kingdom is the salt that preserves a semblance of peace in the places where it is and causes a blessing on many.
    God gave Solomon the only prescription that is able to turn the present situation from it’s present free fall. If “my people, who are called by My name, humble themselves, and pray and seek My face and turn from their evil ways; then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sin and heal their land.
    The political process will not and cannot solve the crisis. Those who are tearing down everything that sources from the legitimate King will not stop with defeat at the elections and will not listen to reason or truth. They will only be defeated when they have been shown their foolishness by the One that they are raging against.
    England in the days of John Wesley and George Whitefield was in a similar moral morass as is the USA today and certainly would have succumbed to the insane revolution that the French people saw except that their preaching, which has to have been backed by the repentance and prayers of many of God’s people in their time, caused a great turning that preserved and brought in a great blessing to that nation.
    God doesn’t have any favorites. He allows the sins of the fathers to be visited on their sons (only) to the third and forth generation of those who hate (Him) and shows loving kindness to thousands (of generations) of those who hate (Him). (Exodus 20:5,6)
    The establishing of this nation was through great personal sacrifice of many clear sited men, was bathed in prayer and was subsequently brought to fruition by many miraculous events that were the evidence of God’s hand in response to His people calling out to Him for His cause, not for their own personal prosperity.
    I have to say that my perception will not allow me to believe that God will “bring this nation back” to anything less.
    There is no enemy that can stand against a people that seek the God of Heaven and His will on the earth. On the other hand, there is no army that can save us from those that He allows to afflict and destroy a nation that is bent on its own end.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      An Hebrew prophet wrote–God said “Your King will rule all the nations of the earth”

      2000 Christains
      1500 Million Muslims
      14 million Hebrews. where dat King?

    • Tazio2013

      David S,

      If you’re certain that you know the truth, then you will watch and listen to this short video with an alternative POV:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISNLGJLsMFY&feature=channel

      Looking forward to your response.

  • ONTIME

    By stealth, lies, non transparency, circumvention, language corruption, mandates, exec orders, court activism, corrupting elections and fascism WE the American people are being decieved and tyrannized by a government so completely bent on doing away with the American way of life and probably the nation. This adminstration now writes what they want non matter what was in a law when it was passed and inserts it back into the signed legislation as though it was never removed. The realization is that you have “no say”, the government exist soley to appease itself and your rights mean nothing, that goes for the Constitutional Laws, Bill of Rights and soon Habeas Corpus should you object…in other words we are on our way to a dictatorship and this snot nosed burr headed crook is making it so.

    You can forget having respect for the office of the President, first of all we do not have a legal president, second of all if the congress can allow this office to write the laws, then they may as well foold up their own tents and go home, the judiciary is activist and will prosecute and execute as they see fit. Your food, shelter, mobility, energy and health all under the thumb of a government for the sake of government….it is now coming down to fight to preserve this nation or die and live no longer as freemen.

  • jopa

    Brody and Diverjimk;I also remember the times you claim were freer when the girl next door had an abortion in a back alley by some guy with a coathanger, when the guy down the street must be a Communist because where else would he get the money for a new car.When the couple walking down the street had the crap beat out of them because they were black and the whites laughed.I remember when we spoke out against the war we were Commies and Gook lovers.This country has made some progress and has a way to go but it is a better world today.

    • JC

      You have an extrememly ugly mind.

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Stuck in NY

    With the massive scope of distrust and corruption we face in our country our only recourse is violence or prayer. Hopefully, our country can be saved by the latter although I fear the progressives have done their job too well for that.

    • JC

      So Praise God and pass the ammo? Might work! :)

  • Larry

    I know what I am about to say will irk a lot of people on here. The American people need to wake up and smell the coffee! When will the people learn that this rouge Government that we have is using everything that people hold near and dear to them, to control them.
    Patriotism, religion, race, economics, social status, wealth, all of it.
    The average person in this country has to stop letting any of this matter. We have to stop supporting these rouge, traitorous politicians, stop voting them in office for their handouts/bribes. It does not matter which Party they belong to, they’re both corrupted, and have become traitors to this nation.
    I have a feeling that this next coming year, will show what the powers that be are really up to in this nation.
    I hope these same people are prepared when THEIR government finishes selling them out.
    People need to learn that you can’t trust politicians on anything, they will sell you out at the slightest opportunity, and for to long we have not held their feet to the fire, and made them do as they should.

    • Shibamom

      I totally agree with your assessment!

      • Denniso

        If you don’t think you can trust any political leaders,then who can you trust,the mythological ‘we the people’? Your black and white and simplistic view will get you exactly nowhere. Tossing out all the politicians is like thowing out the baby w/ the bath water.

  • FreedomFighter

    All thru history some person ran around saying “The enemy is within the gates” usually it signified hard fighting ahead.

    The enemy is within the gates.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

      While I loved seeing the “Silent Majority” rise up again, as they did in the election’s of 1980/84 and then again in 1994 (that one did a lot of good two years later, didn’t it), I hold little hope that “the will of the people” will be allowed to pass. As Stalin noted: “It doesn’t matter who votes. It only matters who counts the votes”. I said it during the Clinton administration: “It’s coming.”. That was during the Janet Reno/Jamie Garelick “Actions” to “Save the Children” at Waco, Texas (by killing them), and at Ruby Ridge, Idaho (by killing a mother with a babe in arms in order to capture someone who may (repeat, may) have violated the minimum rifle barrel length by 1/16th of an inch). To what “It” am I referring? The revolution by Americans to return our country back to it’s constitutional roots. Now, much to my sad recognition, the ongoing and, thus far, “Bloodless Coup” of the left has not yet been confronted by the “Non-Bloodless Counter Revolution”. Am I happy over the “Bloody Revolution’s” apparent inevitability? Hell no! Am I resigned to it’s inevitability? Sadly, reluctantly, disgustedly, I’m beginning to see no other way out of this decent into Fascism. Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler would both be proud of GE, PHILLIPS, GENERAL MOTORS, CHRYSLER and A.I.G., (or anything run and/or funded/controled by George Soros) et al, and their conjoining with big government to curtail competition from their competitors. God preserve us. He knows the current administration (a.k.a. “Regime”) won’t. I say that not as an overtly religious man, however, “I Am An American” who firmly believes in the founding principles of our country, first, last and always. Speaking of which: After the current “Ruling Class” manufactures an “Incident” to come in and disarm as many of the law abiding citizens (for their own good, of course) as they; always aim just below the blue helmet. No matter what color it is. According to a dear friend of mine: “Paranoia is what they call perceptivity, before you’re proven right”. By the way, When this speech becomes illegal, I’ll become a criminal: “I may become an enemy of the state, but never of ‘We the people’ “.

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        Dropped Content Alert: “Speaking of which: After the current “Ruling Class” manufactures an “Incident” to come in and disarm as many of the law abiding citizens (for their own good, of course) as they; always aim just below the blue helmet.”, should, of course read: “Speaking of which: After the current ‘Ruling Class’ manufactures an “Incident” to come in and disarm as many of the law abiding citizens (for their own good, of course) as they are able; always aim just below the blue helmet.”

        • Denniso

          I thought you were a little more balanced than some on this site,but now you write this revolutionary screed. You are sounding a bit paranoid,not perceptive.

  • Kris

    All this discussion is a waste of time! It’s too late now! This country is filled with sheeple who are letting the Judas goat lead them to their death. This country is filled with leeches who only want what they can get. They are the majority who voted this destroyer into office. And then you have the white guilters, who voted for the destroyer to help them get rid of their guilt. Then there are the unions who are simply a secret bank account for the destroyer. Workers Unite, a great communist slogan! Freedoms are being taken every day and they sit and watch it happen. s510 controls food and that’s how slaves are made and populations are destroyed. That’s how mao murdered millions when he took over. The deathcare bill culls the senior population and the disabled. Over Christmas, Berwick enacted the death panels and the destroyer has started blaming Bush for them. He is trying to back peddle on that decision, but it was reported by the nyt, wow, the nyt! Who would have thunk it! He knows that death panels will start a big backlash, but i predict that Americans will just lay down and take it like they have so many times before in the last 2 years! So all this clacking and nashing of teeth gets us nowhere, except to a fema death camp faster than we imagined. We might as well throw a flag over this country and play taps because this country is lost!

    • LTC (Rt) Ray Burke

      I wish I could disagree, but I cannot. It is said , “It isn’t over until the fat lady sings.” That lady may prove to be armed resistance against tyranny!

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        Sir,
        Pleas see my response to “Kris” above.

        • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

          Typo Alert: “Pleas” was meant to be – “Please”. “It’s getting late and I have sleep to go before my miles”, a truckers prayer.

  • http://opinerlog.blogspot.com jdelaney3

    A deep and abiding understanding of natural law shaped our founders’ thinking when it came to fashioning that unparalleled and truly remarkable plan of self-governance we call a Constitutional Republic. Not all the founders were Christians, but all believed that our natural rights derived from God (or a greater power quite apart from the control of mere mortals) and were, therefore, unalienable in that we do not derive our fundamental rights from government. That belief remains the rock hard foundation of our Constitutional Republic. Tampering with that underlying assumption and we invite tyranny. So, all this back and forth about God is entertaining, but in the context of unalienable rights the notion of God is very relevant and extremely important.

    I am concerned that the country is now divided into three political blocs: Neo-Marxist Socialists, aka Progressives; Liberals, aka RINOs and DINOs; and Conservatives. Currently, Progressives clearly hold sway within the Democratic and Republican parties and their leadership. This is a formidable threat to us all. Holding the Republic somewhat together are the Conservatives and newly-awakened Tea Partiers. And thank God for them both!

    If their Pledge to America is credible, the GOP, strengthened by an influx of so-called Tea Party candidates, is, I hope, now poised to reclaim some level of constitutional order, or at least a semblance of it. With the purse strings in their possession, America finally has a fighting chance. I am not at all confident though.

    Ultimately, it is up to us, meaning the Tea Partiers and Conservatives, to hold GOP feet to the proverbial fire. Two years of executive orders, judicial fiats and bureacratic rules, all sharply inclined to favor a continuation of Obama’s “fundamental [socialist] transformation of the United States” still lies ahead. And with only the House outside the direct control of the Democratic Socialist Party and their Progressive allies in both Parties, the challenge for Americans and America-First GOPers is, indeed, daunting.

    Let’s pray, but more than that, let’s INSIST that the GOP push back relentlessly, uncompromisingly, and with determined principle. Compromising with the alien enemy within should no longer be tolerated any America-First and Constitution-First American. Enough is enough.

    In the final analysis, our founders counseled that it was the responsibility, indeed the duty, of “we the people” to restore constitutional order if both the feds (overreach) and the States (weak-kneed nullification) fail us. And if that’s what duty demands to protect our liberty and our way of life, then so be it.

    • Theophilus

      The real target that we must aim at is the mislead and misinformed electorate. Convincing a legislator is pointless. If he sees that the votes he needs to get reelected will come from one of the fringe groups he will flip-flop like a fish on the dock. Those fringe groups often make the difference between victory and defeat so the power base that we build must be large and mainstream. Our real target is the media: cancel your subscription to Time/Newsweek; call your cable company and cancel your TV service (this depriving ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN of market share and revenue) and make sure the cable folks know why you’re cancelling. Write your alma mater and tell them no more contributions as long as they tenure rabid liberals. Fight your local school board tooth and nail about the crap they teach your kids. Make sure your kids learn about how this country was really formed, both the good and bad. The truth hurts but it does liberate and it does deprive the whacko leftists of their chief arguing point. This war is for the hearts and minds of the people and if they can wean themselves of their dependence on “big brother” then the politicians will be forced into either finding new jobs or paying attention to us for a change. Politicians have been and will always be exactly the same, spineless, gutless, opportunists, and power hungry. They will kiss a pig for a vote and lie to their own mother without a moments hesitation. It is the average disinterested or misinformed American who must be targeted. We, as a nation, are overdosing on celebrity watching, professional sports, entertainment and hedonistic pursuits. Either we get serious or we perish, real simple alternatives.

  • JLC

    I would like to be able to take credit for this but, if I did, I would be a iar. It showed up on my screen over the weekend.

    Psalms 2010
    Obama is the shepherd that I did not want. He maketh me to lie down in the nearest poorhouse: He leadeth me by the still factories. He restoreth my faith in the Republican party. He leadeth me in the paths of unemployment for his party’s sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the breadlines, I will fear no hunger, for the bailouts are with me. Thy speeches and thy teleprompter, they comfort me. Thou preparest SB510 before me in the presence of mine creditors: thou anointest my income with taxes: my expense runneth over. Surely poverty and privation will follow me all the days of my life and I will dwell in a mortgaged home forever

    I’m glad that I’m American
    I’m glad that I am free
    But, I wish that I could be a dog
    And Obama were a tree

    My apologies to King David!

  • Joan

    According to the information I have found, on S510 which was replaced by HR2751, NC Senator Sue Myrick voted against this as well as several other House of Representative members and if I remember right, there were 144 that voted against HR2751.

  • Dan az

    The divide and conquer still at work and alive and well.Please read this,
    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=243153

  • chuckb

    another story about our tyrannical government and it’s henchmen.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240945

    we need to stop this government, if the republican congress doesn’t make a headway in halting this administration then it’s time for the people to take it in their own hands otherwise all is lost. after reading this furnished website stop and think about something, barry has his rules of engagement in afghanistan that is getting some of our troops killed.

    • Dan az

      Chuckb
      More rules of engagement are just the way to insure that there will be no rules for our citizens.
      The rules requiring first use of bean-bag ammunition is but one example of the suicidal rules of engagement that govern Border Patrol operations. The reason they have such insane rules? The politicians who run the agency do not want the public to think the border is so dangerous a place that Border Patrol agents fear for their lives. In other words, the rules of engagement are based on a lie, a lie that must be maintained for political purposes.

      Secretary Napolitano should do two things on Monday morning. First, she should order all Border Patrol agents to be issued weapons adequate for both self-defense and apprehension of armed drug smugglers. The second thing she should do Monday morning is resign.

      • Claire

        Dan az—Although I agree with you, there is one problem with Janet resigning. Another one just like her will be appointed to fill her job.

        • Dan az

          Claire
          I’m not sure how a dictatorship works but as far as big sis goes I dought she will be replaced you could probably find a name for it in one of hitlers regimes.I just wait for the sequal to come in 2011.

          • Denniso

            Dan and Chuck are over the edge of sanity and it’s sad to see a usually rational Claire agreeing w/ them on anything.

          • Denniso

            Chuckb…we made a truce over name calling,so I don’t mean to call you insane,as Dan appears to be. But when you say things like ‘we have to take it into our own hands’,it seems obvious that you are calling for violent resistence if the congress doesn’t halt this gov’t. Can you elaborate on that?

          • libertytrain

            Denniso – I find it interesting that you have been given the divine power to decide whether Claire is rational based on believing something you may not believe or agree with.

          • Denniso

            When people spout irrational things,like we are living under a dictatorship controlled by Obama and someone agrees w/ that nonsense,that person is also acting irrationally. Making irrational statements is pretty common and it’s difficult sometimes to tell what is and isn’t rational,but we as thinking humans have to try to do it…or,as we see in many instances a discussion or movement descends into utter irrationality.
            We have much in this country that is distasteful and too close to authoritanism,but we certainly aren’t living in a dictatorship…didn’t we just vote out 60 some incumbents? Didn’t the so called tea party just score some big wins? Don’t many Americans own more guns than they have children or pets?

          • Claire

            Denniso–I do not approve of Janet Napolitano. I do not think she is strong or wise enough to do the job. Any person in this job has to be on the ball–constantly-without let-up. I do not see this in her nor do I see it in very many people in government. I have listened to her numerous times and from some of her comments I have to admit I do not think she takes her job seriously enough for me. TV “banter” doesn’t do a thing for me. I want to hear the nitty-gritty facts and what she intends to do about issues, I want preparedness. It is your choice to think of me as being unrational. However, I have my opinion and you have yours.

          • Denniso

            Claire, I was speaking to Dan’s comparing our gov’t to Hitler’s and that he thinks we live in a dictatorship. Like I said,you’ve been one of the most rational people here.

          • Claire

            Denniso–You will not think me rational when you read my comments about PETA.

  • Johnny Glock

    Why did you not publish my reply ?
    too strong of words ? Too American ?
    How can the word get out if it keeps getting censerd by PC ?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Johnny Glock,

      I don’t know what you’re referring to. You have not been censored. You message was not caught in our filters. If you posted something that did not appear, then there must have been some sort of computer glitch. I would suggest you try again.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        Mr. Livingston,
        I’m so glad to see that you personally keep a close, personal eye on the (sometimes feisty) goings on here. Thank you.

  • Kris

    I left a comment and it is now gone. Is this site being censored?

    • libertytrain

      Perhaps you didn’t submit it, you don’t remember where you put it, or what name you used for that comment? Another thing that people don’t remember to do is refresh the page they think the comment is supposed to show up on. I see several comments with the name Kris on them.

  • Kris

    Nobama has authorized a 250 thousand man army to be handled by Napolitano and homeland security. Why? Is it to round up citizens and shove them into fema camps? If it isn’t for nefarious purposes, then why aren’t they on the border? Welcome to ussr!

  • stilldazed

    Talk is cheap and documented, most of you say too much. Remember, the nail that sticks up gets hammered. The time for action is past, it is now time for defense and survival. I took an oath to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, I was released from duty but not from my oath. There are millions of us that took that oath, many need to be reminded. Current military needs to be reminded and to read the constitution.

    • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

      Very true. More than that, every politician who is running for any government public service office including Dog Catcher and every elected and appointed member of the U.S. Federal Government, all State Governments, County Governments, City Councils, Town Councils and all Federal, State, County, City and Town Law Enforcement Officers must be required to enroll in and pass a college level American Institutions and American Government college course, especially of the entire Constitution, all Amendments including the entire Bill Of Rights, the entire Declaration Of Independence, Federalism, States’ Sovereignty Rights As Guaranteed By The Constitution and the Gettysburg Address at least once every three years or they must return to a non-government civilian employment job, that is if they ever can find a non-government job employer who will hire them. Of course they can always learn to flip burgers at MacDonald’s or work the night shift at Homeboy Depot or perhaps become a smiling greeter at WALMART.

  • Wlmitch1

    A Litany of Grievances Against the Statist Politicians and the Radical Left

    by William L. Mitchell

    December 22, 2010

    Here is some history, along with a litany of legitimate grievances against the Marxists, Globalists, and RINOs (Republicans-In-Name-Only) who are currently in power, and the radical Leftists who are destroying our Nation, our Liberty, and our way of life. The year was 1620 when the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. During the 1770s, our Founding Fathers fought and won a REVOLUTION to banish tyranny from our shores, and successfully established the United States of America as a Constitutional Republic. But BECAUSE of the Marxists, Globalists, and RINOs in power today, the rock has been landed on US. All of the rhetoric about tolerance, brotherhood, and everybody sharing all the world, which the Marxists speak so beautifully about, is NOT intended for We The People. Their rhetoric is a LIE! Their evil, gutter ideology has wrought the brutal disarmament, torture, and slaughter of more than 150 MILLION innocent men, women, and children by heathen Fascist, Nazi, and Communist regimes worldwide in less than 90 years’ time!

    When We The People remind the Marxist, Globalist, and RINO politicians that We The People send our elected officials to Washington D.C. to work for US, WHICH WE DO, they look upon us with hubris, hostility, and unfriendliness. The Statists no longer intend for us to be citizens, but subjects and wards of the State! They impose unconstitutional laws on us against our will. They unconstitutionally tax, spend, and regulate us into deep recessions, DURING WHICH businesses struggle to survive; and many decent, honest, hard-working Americans must work two very-low-paying jobs, or two or three part-time jobs, with few or NO benefits, just to support their families. They work from before sun-up until past sun down! From can’t see in the morning until can’t see at night! And these are the Americans who are able to find jobs at all! Then the Statists take a quarter or more of what these Americans earn, in FICA, Medicare, and Federal Income taxes, and when they die, the Statists take even more of their hard-earned money in Estate Taxes! WHEN THEY DIE, they are taxed EVEN MORE! Those Marxist and Globalist politicians HATE America; and they do not even try to hide it ANYMORE!

    And what is it that has awakened Americans to such a degree that we now demand our country back? It is the past 50 years, IN WHICH the radical Leftists have taken over and bastardized the “Mainstream” News Media, Public Education, the Entertainment Industry, and the “Democratic” Party. And for these 50 years, they have stupefied and indoctrinated our youth, expelled God from public life, infringed on our right to keep and bear arms, consistently appeased or allied themselves with the enemies of freedom, murdered our unborn, and imposed immoral and deviant lifestyles on We The People. They intimidate, slander, and try to silence those of us who are TEA Party activists and sympathizers, Constitutional Conservatives, and other American Patriots of ALL races by falsely accusing us of being “far right” bigots and sellouts. They try to criminalize us for opposing THEIR criminal ideology, and telling the TRUTH! Radical Leftist, activist judges at all levels legislate from the bench. They do NOT INTERPRET our laws like they are SUPPOSED TO! Those Marxist, Globalist, and RINO politicians do nothing to secure our borders and deport those who have entered our country ILLEGALLY. They impose so many laws on us, with a few hidden loopholes, that it is becoming almost impossible for the average American to NOT break the law! It is a SHAME!! THAT is not Liberty! IT IS OPPRESSION AND SLAVERY!

    Under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, the destruction of our once-great nation has accelerated drastically. They force their suicidal poison known as Political Correctness on us against our will! They have dragged a sovereign U.S. State before the U.N. Human Rights Commission for enforcing our immigration laws! They appease and apologize to the Islamic terrorists who want to kill us, and the regimes which sponsor them. At our airports, travellers in Muslim dress are given a free pass while the rest of us are treated like criminals and terrorists. They violate our First, Second, Fourth, Sixth, and Tenth Amendment Rights incessantly. They are so arrogant and incompetent that they do not understand why we American Citizens are frustrated and angry! They accuse us of being ungrateful for all they do “for” us, when they know that they are doing it TO us! And NOW we have a “President” who abdicates a press conference to a former President, and leaves, because he cannot handle it! What a disgrace! We MUST FIRE all of the Leftist, Globalist, and RINO politicians in 2012, replace them with REAL American Patriots, and finish taking our country back! God save America and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • Tazio2013

      In my considered analysis of your posting, this video will be useful for you and others of your ilk:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OLPL5p0fMg&feature=related

      • http://none Mike

        Taz, Interesting video its part of a series I see as well. Critacle thinking is important in life. It allows us to make more informed decisions. But it does kind of take a negitive view of faith. I think the 2 can be reconsiled though.Not all of us out here that are religous are boxed thinkers. :) Mike L.

        • Tazio2013

          Mike,

          Thanks for your reply as it demonstrated open-mindedness and objectivity; a very refreshing POV considering the typical expressions of PLD responders.

          • http://none Mike

            Sorry for the late reply. I try to look back at some of the later articles and reply when I can.

            If you look through the times that I have posted on here you will see I do try to stay objective in my views. I do have some passions though. I really dont like some of the directions we are headed in this country. And I dont think that either side has all the answers. That is why I get in trouble with some here for agreeing with Eddie47d.Mike L.

      • Dale on the left coast

        It has been my experience that the “Left” are the folks that are kind of stuck in their little ruts. Didn’t Einstein say that “to repeat an experiment over and over, expecting different results was a sign of INSANITY” . . . .
        Why then do leftist regemes, like the one in DC, keep trying Socialism/Marxism/Progressivism . . . over and over? I know . . . they are insane!!!!

      • Wlmitch1

        I watched the video from the link you posted. It makes sense, especially the proverb which states, “If you give a man a fish, he will be hungry tomorrow; but if you teach a man HOW to fish, he will never be hungry again.” I have been saying THAT for almost 30 years. That is why I believe that the U.S. has it all wrong when it comes to foreign aid. The PEOPLE of the impoverished countries must be taught how to CREATE wealth instead of some of it just being given to their governments who care little or nothing about their people.

        BTW, the Republican Party began as a party of the people with real republican (with a small “r”) values. The Establishment Republicans of today are RINOs of the East Coast blue-blood type, and have been since Reagan left office. We need to strip them of their power.

        The TEA Party (which is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already) is not an actual political party. It is a political movement. For more information on the TEA Party, you can visit the TEA Party website at http://www.theteaparty.net and read its Mission Statement. The point is that we need to restore the United States of America to the Constitutional Republic our Founding Fathers intended it to be.

        I am old enough to remember when History and Civics were taught in the public schools, and schoolchildren were taught the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem. When I was in first grade during the 1966-67 school year, the Phonics system was used to teach schoolchildren how to read and write. Proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation were taught in the 2nd and 3rd grades. During the 1970s, the schools began switching to the Whole Language method to teach schoolchildren how to read and write. Reading, writing, grammar, spelling, and punctuation skills soon plummeted. As a result, students had difficulty understanding the course materials in the Math and Science curricula, and those skills also plummeted soon after. Civics was dropped in many schools during this time, and revisionist History began to be taught. Indoctrination had begun.

        Recess was abolished during the 1980s, and by the 1990s, Attention-Deficit Hyper-activity Disorder (ADHD) became an epidemic among grade-school-aged children, mainly boys. Instead of restoring recess, the public schools began dispensing Ritalin to every child “diagnosed” with ADHD. Not only did the public schools stupefy the children with the Whole Language method of teaching them to read and write, they also stupefied them with drugs! Political Correctness began in the Colleges and Universities in the early 1970s, and gradually worked its way down to the High Schools, then the Middle Schools (formerly Junior High), and then the Grade Schools. I do not need Fox News or Talk Radio to tell me any of this. I have seen it with my own eyes!

        It is no wonder that few young people today are able to think for themselves!

  • Claire

    I was happy all day today until I heard that Obama called Michael Vick to “praise” him concerning his football playing and then “alerted” America to this fact. Now I am aggravated. Talk about a political ploy. Oh yes, this phone call was a real important issue, wasn’t it!! What about the job situation? Are you making any phone calls about jobs? Sure, go ahead and call up a dog killer and let him know how great he is, what a “fine” person he is. People can “change” but regarding the issue of dog fighting, these people never change. They only revise/hide their evil madness. Way to go, Obama. I completed a tough and well-known manuscript today, how about calling me? Barf and gag.

    • Karolyn

      Claire – From what I’ve heard, Michael Vick took the heat for his brother. He has served his time and is turning his life around. People do change if they want to. I believe he has learned his lesson. He will be paying for this crime for a long time financially and mentally.

      • Claire

        Karolyn–Two ladies from here in my town went to Vick’s house and rescued some of the dogs. These dogs were in deplorable condition. I cannot feel any compassion for Vick or his brother. I have no use for people that abuse animals. I do not care who they are. I have no use for people that are involved in dog fighting rings. If he is “paying” for his crime, then so be it–he should reap what he has sown. He should suffer like those poor dogs.

        • JC

          Absolutely. A sociopath who victimizes animals is till a sociopath.

          • JC

            “still” not till. :)

          • Claire

            JC–Thank you for your input. Sociopath is a good word to call them. And PETA has also said it is great that Obama called NFL about Vick. PETA is a sociopath organization and Vick is a scumbag. I do not like to call anyone names but I have to in this case, especially when it comes to cruelty to animals.

          • Denniso

            I loathe animal cruelty like you do…why would you call PETA a ‘sociopath’ group? All they do is try to fight animal cruelty. If they become extreme in some ways at least they are trying to do what is right. Animals suffer immeasurably in most of our dealings w/ them.
            They are used and abused in horrible ways.

          • Claire

            Denniso– Years ago dog show exhibitors never had to worry about PETA and the welfare of our show dogs. Now it is a different story. I show my dogs and I am well aware of what PETA stands for. They believe any animal should be free and never domesticated. They believe all dogs and cats should roam the countryside. If they get run over or killed in some way, then so be it. I happen to have dogs that I love dearly, and I would never think of allowing them to run loose and “take their chances.” A few years ago, PETA went to a dog show in Maryland. They sneaked around vehicles and turned dogs loose. The show site was near an interstate. Numerous show dogs were run over and killed. It was an atrocious thing to do. The same happened in Louiville one year. They also went to the shows in Belleville, IL and spread crushed glass and put antifreeze in some of the dogs’ drinking water. I was not at these shows but some of my friends were. Now, I ask you–was PETA being humane? I don’t think so. And I will tell you this–if I am at a show and any PETA member comes sneaking around and lets dogs loose, they will be in for a real awakening. I will go after them tooth and nail. And I am not bragging. I will do this, and so will my friends. Believe me when I say we ARE prepared for the PETA people.

          • Claire

            Denniso–I do not think showing my dogs and having them as companions is cruel. My dogs have a better life than a lot of children. They are loved, fed, taken care of, and have the best vet care.

          • Claire

            Denniso–While we are at it, why doesn’t PETA go after the filthy puppy mills? Now that IS cruelty.

          • Denniso

            Claire, you weren’t at the shows where PETA supposedly put antifreeze in dogs water bowls and spread glass around,and I don’t believe that’s true. PETA also doesn’t believe in letting all dogs and cats run loose,that’s a myth. They are against rodeos and dog races and probably horse races,I’ve never heard they’re have anything against dog shows. Rodeos are essentially animal abuse for the entertainment of humans. Horses that don’t win are often sold to slaughter houses and horses that do win are usually drugged and raced into the ground.
            PETA also has fought the utterly inhumane treatment of animals raised for meat…pigs,cows,chickens.

          • Claire

            Denniso– Although nothing has happened recently at dog shows, I know these incidents did happen, they are not myths. So do not imply to me that they are. I believe the people that were involved in these incidents—after all they have the dead dogs to prove it. Please explain to me why PETA did this? Radical members of this group that went overboard? I am all “for them” when they perform acts for the humane treatment of animals, but the radical side of them is not acceptable to me.

          • libertytrain

            peta is an organization that may have had intentions to protect at its very inception, much like the KKK had at its original inception, however, PETA or an occasional member would sink that low to make a point. Here’s a thread on Snopes that was a little interesting in itself. Though I do not base my feelings toward peta (mine are pretty close to Claire’s) on this thread. http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=58498

          • denniso

            Claire, there is no way that anybody connected to PETA would ever do what you say they did. PETA exists to protect animals from abuse so they would not kill helpless dogs w/ anti freeze. It has to be a ploy designed to damage PETA’s reputation. They have released wild animals from cages to allow them to return to the wild,but that’s a totally different thing. They also are not that stupid to kill dogs and wreck their image as protectors of animals,whether they like dog shows or not.

            Liberty has OD’d on something to equate PETA w/ the KKK! How ridiculous can you be? The KKK hung people and were a terror organization and still are. They are and always have been pure scum and racists/bigots with their purpose to run blacks off or kill them.

          • Claire

            denniso–I disagree with you. Obviously there are are radical
            “fringe” members in the PETA organization. Otherwise, why would they have committed these terrible acts at dog shows? These people were identified as PETA members. Think what you want, I have my own knowledge based on what happened at these shows.

          • Denniso

            If people who poisoned dogs were identified as PETA members,they would be arrested and prosecuted. It’s against the law to poison animals. If no one was arrested and charged then how could they have been identified? That doesn’t work. Either they were identified,and would then be arrested,or it isn’t true which is why no one was arrested. I tried to find a story on it and couldn’t.

          • Claire

            Denniso—The PETA people were not caught. It was reported to the police, but nothing could be done, the culprits were already gone. The exhibitors were busy showing their other dogs and were not around when all this happened. Other bystanders said it was PETA. Everyone said it was PETA and I do not think they would lie about something like this. I looked on the internet too and couldn’t come up with anything. Nonetheless, the fact that dogs were killed, etc. has made a believer out of me. We could argue about this for a week, nothing will change my mind. I will remain on the lookout when I go to shows and I certainly will not leave my dogs unattended. There are a lot of organizations in this world that are not what they seem to be, I believe PETA is one of them.

          • Denniso

            Claire, you say ‘nothing will change your mind’. I guess that settles it then,if even a lack of evidence will not affect your thinking. You’re operating w/ hearsay ‘evidence’,which means nothing. How were the supposed PETA crooks identified? Were they wearing PETA T shirts so they could be easily identified and apparetly didn’t mind being identified in a felony? It doesn’t make sense Claire,and anyone should be suspicious of stories that don’t make sense. It’s how harmful rumors are used to damage people and causes.

          • Claire

            Denniso–So we are at an impasse. You have your opinion, I have mine. Your last sentence–the irony of it–could be applied to many organizations/issues (political as well) in this day and age.

          • Denniso

            It’s not opinions that should matter…a charge of murdering innocent dogs is a serious one and should be backed up w/ facts that are indisputable. A condemnation of a person or group should not be a matter of opinion. That’s what’s wrong w/ our ‘information’ age…people can make accusations or allegations all over the place and not be held responsible for defaming someone. If you can’t even find a story on the internet about the supposed poisonings then we have to say it’s a malicious lie meant to defame PETA. You have probably been used,unwittingly, by someone doing exactly that.

          • Claire

            Denniso–Used unwittingly? Perhaps, but the welfare of my dogs is first, and with this comment, I could care less about the reputation of any organization when it concerns my dogs. Where there is smoke, oftimes there IS fire. You sing the praises of PETA–but you did not answer my question about the puppy mills. Does PETA go after them and put them out of business? Have you ever seen a puppy mill? Did PETA go after the filthy chicken farms during the salmonella scare regarding eggs this past year? This could go on and on but I think that you and I are simply wanting to have the “last word” on this issue.

          • Claire

            Denniso–Are you aware that PETA is against blind people having seeing eye dogs? Do you know how many thousands of animals PETA euthanizes on a yearly basis? They spend more money on their advertising than they do at finding homes. According to the Internet out of 300 animals they only place one in a home. Seems like they dispose of animals on a large scale. Also, the Eagles gave HSUS $50,000 so now they think Vick will be a good pet owner. Money talks and the lives of dogs and cats hang in the balance. I cannot abide by these types of organizations. Our Animal Protective League and rescue organizations here in town do a much better job at finding homes for abandoned animals. There is a no-kill animal shelter in Benld, Illinois that does a fabulous job. They take in animals on a daily basis, and they have a lot of community support. I support organizations that truly concerned about the welfare of animals.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – If I read about this correctly on the net wasn’t it just in a town up the road from you at a big dog show. Belleville or something like that? Did it not involve folks you know or know of from the ring?
            Seems to me it hit kind of close to home to you and when that happens a person tends to have more insight into the event than we do a thousand miles or more away.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–It was at Belleville, IL about an hour and 45 minutes from me. I was not there, but I sure got the phone calls when the exhibitors from Springfield got home after the show. (A lot of people have more than one dog, they also have other breeds and a lot of their vehicles that had other dogs in them were left unattended while the person was showing another dog.) And the professional handlers can have between 10-20 dogs that they are showing. According to witnesses (spectators) they saw these people doing the foul deeds and quickly summoned the AKC superintendent and security. And the police were called but nothing could be done since the creeps were gone. The witnesses said it was PETA people that did it. I will not be showing until the weather gets better–I do not like traveling in winter weather anymore. I have to look up the shows and decide where I am going. I am planning to enter my son’s puppy and show him in puppy class and then show Vinnie in Open Dog class. My daughter said she would go with me so that helps. If I have to go alone I will only enter Vinnie. Gosh, I can remember years ago, a person could leave their vehicle windows open and never have to worry. But nowadays it is different. Too many mean people out there.

          • libertytrain

            claire – as I said it’s part of your world and actually occurred in your region/area/neighborhood of dog showing that you are so active in – even if you didn’t do that show, friends did, and you all are so tight-knit in dog shows -that I expect you all look after one another’s interests – I hope your daughter helps – it would be easier – I do so much of the stuff I do alone and it’s tough to handle it all alone. I have no respect for peta. And I too, love animals of all kinds.

  • chuckb

    claire

    barry’s mentality doesn’t reach beyond the basketball court or the football field, oh! i guess the golf game should be included. oh yeah! vacations too.

  • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

    “THANK GOD” that our Founding Fathers, the framers of the Constitution, were given the wisdom by God to insure and guarantee a mandatory and permanent separation of Church and State to prevent any possibilty of any repeat of the terrible, useless, savage, brutal and bloody slaughter and mass murder religious wars and religious inquisitions in the name of God or Allah that have been inflicted against Europe, the Middle East, India, Southeast Asia and Africa since the idea of religion first became a human thought in the mind of some ancient person somewhere on Earth many thousands of years ago. As a result of the mandatory and permanent Constitutional guarantee of the mandatory and permanent separation of Church and State, the Constitutional Republic Of The United States Of America has been mercifully spared from the bloody religious wars and the bloody religious inquisitions and the resulting totally unnecessary, needless, useless and Godless massive loss of human lives unlike Europe, Asia and Africa.

  • chuckb

    garytraditonalultraconservative

    please show me in the constitution where there is a mandatory and permanent separation of church and state.

    • EltonJ

      IT was written in there to protect Religion from the State, and not the other way around. Congress shall make no law abridging religion or the practice there of.

      • Denniso

        Here we go again,and again,and again…if people can’t understand the separation clause in the constitution then they need more help then we can give them here. The only line of attack that makes any sense for the Christians is that it doesn’t appear that the constitution says anything about what states do on their own w/ religion. As long as a state uses it’s own money it would seem they can push any religion they want…hindu,muslim,wicca,christianity,whatever. But,they can’t use any money or facilities connected to the fed gov’t.
        It is true that the Court has ruled in favor of a nationwide separation of church and state. So,fight to get religion into your state on constitutional grounds and see what happens. Open the door to all religions in gov’t,sharia religious law as well.

        • Claire

          Denniso–I read your post–you approve of Sharia Law?

          • Denniso

            Of course I don’t,just as I don’t approve of any religious law applying to anything or anyone outside of a religious group or in any actual legal manner for citizens. The beauty of the constitution is that we don’t allow any religious law or system to supplant our civil law. If many Christians got their way and managed to insinuate their law into our legal structure then it could also be open to other religious law that they may not approve of.

        • chuckb

          The constitution states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

          there is no such law as separation of church and state.

          • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

            It appears that you have in so many words clearly stated an exact physical and ideological total separation of Church and State. Religion and any State or Government are two completey separated entities. Any Religion and the State or States are not connected together in any way, although the State or States may choose to adopt, adapt, include and incorporate many religious or theocratic beliefs, ideas, philosophies, principles, values or virtues from a multitude of many various and comnpletely different religions without ever actually promoting and without ever actually supporting any single religion or any multiple number of various and completely different religions at any time.

          • Denniso

            Chuck,we’ve been through this before. The separation clause means that no gov’t money(public money)or influence can be directed to any religious endeavor. Everything the gov’t does takes legislation,meaning a law has to be passed,to fund schools,build gov’t buildings,fund projects and programs. If any religious element is attached to any gov’t policy or program or building,then that violates the constitution. You should be glad of that since it keeps all religious activity out of gov’t…many religious activities that you and other christians would not like being promoted by gov’t,which means promoted by our tax money.

        • Richard Pawley

          This argument seems to fall apart for me when I realize that the states like the federal government have no monies of their own. They only have money they have taken away from the people. The fear in the minds of the founding fathers was not a fear of the truths of basic Christian and/or Bible teaching. They overwhelmingly gave credit and acknowledgement of that. They just didn’t want a state religion for the United States like the Church of England for the Brits or Catholicism for the Italians and Spanish or the Lutheran Church for the Germans, and on and on. The founding fathers wanted people to be free to choose what they believed. Karl Marx who hated godliness in all it’s forms has greatly influenced many in our government today (he was even again marriage and was a supporter of what used to be called free sex). Both Nazism and Soviet and Chinese Communism were based on his beliefs and teaching. He invented progressive income tax which was adopted by the Democrats in 1913 for this country and so it continues to this day. You may confuse uninformed minds with your anti-God ranting but the first people who set foot in this county in 1607 (not counting possibly Leif Eriksson six centuries earlier – who was also a Christian) immediately erected a cross and claimed this new land for Jesus Christ. That is historical fact, even if the government tries to cover it up by saying, as they did three years ago at the 400th anniversary of Jamestown, VA., that these hardy souls were seeking economic freedom. Some might have been seeking their fortune but they were mostly trying to get away from religious persecution by various sects throughout Europe. Our founding fathers did not want that and they did not want a state church but they all acknowledged God was the one who guided them in creating the documents some of us still revere today but you don’t have to believe them. You need not believe in God either. You are free to not believe in anything but why must you continually make fun of those who may not be as smart as you intellectually but who have the faith you don’t. I know someone who I.Q. is one of the highest ever registered and although we disagree on a number of things even he believes there is a creator. Are you jealous of Christians, their peace, their assurance of an afterlife and their place in it? It would seem so. I constantly hear complaining about the religious right but what of the religious left, the idea that man is God (the most common mental disease) and that Marxism is the religion that we should be following (though they don’t actually say that but like our president they teach the lie of collective salvation whereas Jesus taught individual salvation). Some people have only an intellectual Christianity and I could see you disagree with them but there are millions who have had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ and it has changed them in ways your mind would not be able to grasp. You would just say ‘that’s impossible’ and walk away, but you would be back to criticize someone else whose faith might not be great but who at least had some. I will tell you one thing sir, if we do not get our house in order and return to the truth and justice and freedom that tens of thousands, nay millions over time, died to give us then we will pay a price, and it will be a heavy one. The founding fathers would be astounded at how both left and right have seduced our founding documents and the country itself, but why are you so angry at what others believe when it comes to God? You are free to believe what you choose in the USA according to the constitution. No Christian is ever going to force you to pray. God does not need slaves. Only evil needs slaves. I feel saddened by your continual ranting and I can only suppose that you grew up in one of the 3,000 religious cults in the USA but that has nothing to do with God’s love and concern for you. You and a few others here seem to have been harshly damaged or hurt by someone and if they called themselves Christians than I am sorry about that and I only apologize to you for them. I also believe that if we go down England’s road and let Sharia Law into the land…well our economy will not last that long. Nature, incidentally, abhors a vacuum and if you drive out all light and truth what will remain is darkness and error. There is so much that could be said and I tried twice before earlier here but I guess you didn’t go back and read them. You seem not interested in learning, just in teaching. It is late and I have much to do but if you would like to spend a few minutes reading something much more important than what I have written here, just go to this address. It won’t convince you I know. You will likely have to die and then discover that only love and that which was done in love had any value here. I’ll also say, one last time, that the founding fathers did not favor a state church and they were never against God or indicated that He should not be sought for guidance and direction. There is a vast difference between ‘churches’ and GOD but todays liberal progressives or Marxist socialists pretend not to know that. Incidently I know people who have died and returned but none quite as interesting as this http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said Richard. People(liberals for the most part)either delibertly mis-interpet or misunderstand the Constitution, I’m stating the obvious there._ God was recognized in all Government affairs, in fact they’re were hand held bibles given to each Congressman when they took the oath of office back in the 1800′s, David Barton, has a couple of Originals in his collection of historical documents. The Left has and agenda, and lying is a part of it.

      • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

        Yep, your right EltonJ, there it is as clear as night and day. Freedom of religion or Freedom of religious expression. The state must keep it’s nose out of religious personal beliefs and religious personal opinions and religious personal ideas and religious personal choices everywhere at all times unless a religion or parts of a religion infringe on a person’s Constitutional guaranteed rights or become a hazard or a threat to the general public safety like the Reverend Jim Jones followers poisoning the koolaid or a Muslim woman refusing to briefly undo her berka at the local airport for a routine security positive facial ID check before embarking on a passenger aircraft. Think about it this way. Who do you like better, the New York Yankees or the Boston Red Sox. What do you like better, football or baseball. Do you believe in God or do you not believe in God. That’s how religion should be judged and worshipped. In totally private and totally personal and totally preferential beliefs and opnions and choices as long as your religious beliefs and opinions and ideas and choices do not infringe on any person’s Constitutional guaranteed rights. Apparently the Amish are exempt from armed military combat service duty because it may violate some of their religious beliefs but an Amish man may volunteer to be a U.S. Army or U.S. Navy medic in a combat zone and place his own Life in harms way by risking his own life by attempting to save the lives of wounded combat soldiers or sailors in a combat zone.

  • Give me a Break!

    As I read the comments on this site a see a major division in which was once a united nation. Even in my short life time I have never seen such a diverse opinion of what was at one time a solid, non questionable document know as the Constitution of the United States. This document for as long as I can remember was never debated until now and was always the bases for what this country is governed by. Now this precious document has fallen under the feet of a bunch of greedy, power hungry bureaucrats that care nothing about others, only themselves. Selfishness and power is their driving force and we their fellow citizens are an obstacle to their so-called struggle to achieve total control. It unfortunately has become a fight of them versus us and until we stand together will be this country’s defeat and their victory.

    • JC

      You’re quite off base…
      The Constitution has, unfortunately, been debated and interpreted almost since the ink was drying. Ivy League Universities don’t teach Constitutional law at all…they teach interpretations…and over the years, interpretations of inerpretations. Until the Constitution itself is held in such disdain that an American President called it “just a damned piece of paper”.
      I think what you are noticing is that people are now becoming more aware of the fact…not that they are becoming disunited.
      Although the awareness may put them at odds with the trained hamsters who think everything is fine.

  • TRUE PATRIOT

    The folowing are excerpts from George Washington’s farewell address that are no doubt pertinent to today’s discussion: “It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield. Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

  • Dan az

    I know its long but its about what oboma has done to this nation and reasons for impeachment.
    HE has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.

    HE has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

    HE has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.

    HE has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

    HE has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.

    HE has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within.

    HE has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

    HE has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

    HE has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

    HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

    HE has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.

    HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

    HE has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

    FOR quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

    FOR protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    FOR cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:

    FOR imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    FOR depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:

    FOR transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:

    FOR abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:

    FOR taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

    FOR suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

    HE has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

    HE has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.

    HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation.

    HE has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their Friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

    HE has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.

    IN every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

    • Denniso

      I knew you were a little loopy,but now I see you’re literally insane.
      Where do you come up with this stuff? Oh,that’s right,out of thin air.

      • Dan az

        Well depsoid
        the truth is it came from The Declaration of Independence

        Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776
        The Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
        Funny thing is it fits your almighty obumer pretty well dosent it?

        • Denniso

          So clever of you. Equating King George w/ Obama,a democratically elected president…clever,clever.

    • JC

      I don’t know if all of that is true, but a sufficient amoiunt of it is true enough for a first class impeachment…maybe even charges on High Treason.

  • Gayle

    I agree wholeheartedly that obama is denying us our rights and liberties, and I wish there was more I could do besides vote, sign petitions, contibute, pray and hold my breath. It makes you physically sick and frightened about our future.
    Also, a question, to not believe in God, don’t you first have to believe He existed, or even the idea of Him existing? Sort of like, I don’t believe in socialism, but there it is.

    • Denniso

      Please tell me which rights and freedoms Obama is stripping from us,aside from health insurance mandates which are debateable.

      Here’s the difference between not believing in socialism and not believing in God. Socialism is a real form of gov’t w/ rules and aspects central to it,god is a belief in something that one has to take on faith as their is no earthly evidence for him/it. I believe that my neighbor is real because I see her and talk to her…I take something on faith when I can’t see or touch or talk to it. That is the realm of any god,christian,hindu,whatever…no physical presense or evidence.

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        Interesting. Heres something a little beyond, “Can you see the wind?”. Just so you “Self Anointed Purveyors of ‘Truth”, don’t get your jammies in a wrinkle: So many divisive questions, so many divisive answers. When I was 17, having been raised to understand that “You don’t have to be in a building, to believe in God”, I decided that “God is Energy, after all, It’s everywhere”. Now, some five decades later, scientists in the field of “Quantum Physics/Mechanics”, with “String Theory”, have postulated that there indeed may be vibrating “Strings” of energy everywhere. Not only in interstellar, but intergalactic space as well. The other half of my postulation rests on the question: “What is thought?”. In it’s purest form, it is merely an inexplicable bit of energy. If that is also true, then that, I believe, coupled with string theory, is the mind of God. How presumptuous is mankind to believe he can truly understand the mind, let alone interpret the will of God. If I may quote Puck: “What fools these mortals be”. Beyond that, you may ask: “Does he believe there is a God?” Yes, I do. Well then, “Does he believe Jesus (of Nazareth) is the Son of God?” Again. Yes, I do, as is every (hu)man a child of God. Well. How then does he explain all the different names of God and ways of worshiping Him? As Tom Sullivan (when he was still broadcasting on the radio from Sacramento) once related, he has an Egyptian friend who noted: “There is only One God, but many different ways of worshiping Him”. “Intelligent Design” came up and how silly it is (for believing in unprovable precepts such as “Gods Hand Created the Heavens and the Earth”, which is based on unprovable, blind Faith). And this from the same crowd who believe (as do I) that the universe was created from a “Cosmic Egg” that came from they know not where, yet just was (but wasn’t for very long), that suddenly went (“Big) Bang!” and voila! We are (eventually) born. No “Leaps of Faith” there. Nope, none at all. Oh yes, their “Resurrection Theology?” “Entropy!” That’s where the energy of the “Big Bang” eventually “runs out of steam”, if you will, and everything collapses back in on itself and, “Guess What?”, it starts all over again – maybe. And they talk about “A Leap of Faith?” indeed. “What Fools We Mortals Be?” “You Betcha!”

        • Karolyn

          Thank you Myron!

          • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

            Um, You’re welcome and good morning from the left coast; but I really didn’t do anything except speak my God-given-mind.

        • Shibamom

          Ah Myron, what a wonderful mind God gave you. I love reading your posts. I don’t agree with everything you say but that’s what makes this country (or at least it used to) so great. At least until Obama gets done with it that is! So I will continue to read and enjoy your posts for as long as I can or until the Feds come and unplug all the power.

          • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

            As they used to say in the mid-late Sixties on into the early-mid Seventies: “Power to the people!” (Until, of course, they, who never grew up, but put themselves in charge, were challenged and are starting to resort to National Workers Socialist Party like tactics.) Why? Well, as it is clearly delineated in the prophetic tome, Animal Farm: “Some are more equal than others”. And “They”, obviously, are far superior and, therefore, naturally entitled to make the “correct” decisions for “the less fortunate”. That about cover it?

          • denniso

            ‘they put themselves in charge’? I guess you mean ‘they’ were voted into office…and do you mean the Reagan conservatives or the Clinton liberals? It seems that both groups have been ‘in charge’ off and on. Who were Cheny/Bush? Which ‘they’ were they? Republicans have held the presidency about 2/3 of the time since the 60′s…’they’??

      • http://www.judegoss.com Carol S Key

        Well, then, the 40 authors who wrote the books in the Bible and who lived so far from each other that they couldn’t communicate in their lifetime, created the most incredible conspiracy of all time?! Quite a fairy story that might be, because how might it be possible to relate history (in replication and minute perfection) if one was just making it up and others made up the EXACT same thing while never communicating with each other???? Hmmmmm…

        Your argument, sir, flies in the face of reasonable explanation. It could happen in modern times with the internet and international travel (and certainly has!), but it is generally accepted as impossible during the time of Christ.

        • Denniso

          I’m not a Biblical scholar,but I’ve never heard there were anything like 40 authors for the new testament. Supposedly there were only 4 writers of the gospels which deal specifically w/ Jesus,and all of them lived in a small area of the world in the middle east. There were oral histories and people did talk to others and communicate enough so that over the 100 or more yrs of the writing many stories were shared. And, the gospels do have some major differences in them otherwise they would not all be included.
          Jesus could have been real or he could be a composite figure symbolic of the rebellion of the Jews against the Romans…many thousands of people were crucified exactly as Jesus was and he may just represent all of them.
          The only thing that matters is if anything he supposedly said has any merit for our modern world, and clearly some of his most common words do have value. It doesn’t matter whether he was just another man or not trying to fight injustice and persecution,but that he apparently said things that were valid before he came along and are still important for all of us to remember.

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    Freedom. “We must all hang together, or surly we will all hang separately”.

  • Nunyer Binnis

    Lock and load. It’s time to stand up!

  • http://www.apostolictorahstudies.com Rex

    Everyone is pointing the finger at Bush, Obama, and of course, the next Administration. They tell us it’s those darn Democrats when under Obama passing all these stupid unconstitutional laws. They tell us it’s the Republicans when Bush is doing his thing with 9/11, and enacting tyranny on the American people. Talk show hosts blame Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Obama, calling them the axis of evil. Everyone is pointing the finger to everyone else. We are losing our freedoms at an unprecedented rate. One day we are going to wake up and find ourselves not only in invisible cages, but in an Orweillian cage where a New World Order has sprung upon the people (sheeple).

    Sheeple, the problem does not lie with those in Congress, or in the government, but those who put these thugs there. Yes, I’m talking about the people are the ones to blame for all this mess we’re in. Just look at the recent election, Harry Reid, was reelected to Congress. Why? Because of the people that put him there. Why would sheeple put a man like that back in office? Why did Bush serve as a 2 term president? Why did Clinton serve as a 2 term president? why will Obama serve as a 2 term president? Because of stupid sheeple that put people like that in office. Then we wonder why these criminals are doing what they are doing to us. We wonder why all our liberties have been chipped away from us. These people are not our partners in government. These people are thugs, criminals, and mobsters out raping, pillaging, and destroying our way of life. Yet we want to point the finger at the very idiots that we put there in office.

    Finally, have you ever looked around and seen so many churches on every corner. It would seem with this that this country would be a godly one that would enjoy freedom to the max. However, have you ever noticed the totalitarian government is in Washington? It should cause people to see that something is desperately wrong. All these churches, and so-called good moral people, and yet these idiot politicians get elected and sent to Washington. Something is wrong! This country has always been a Christian country, and because of this it has rejected the Laws of the Most High. Because the people reject the Law (Torah) of the Most High “God” He allows such tyranny to clasp itself upon a nation and world that rejects not only His Laws but also Him.

    Wake up sheeple, it’s high time to rouse out of slumber and REPENT of all your evil deeds and He will deliver you! Turn to Him and His Torah and accept His MaShiyach (Messiah Yeshua). Repent or go down in destruction just like every other civilization in the past.

    • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

      Ya Know, I wondered how we got from “The Gipper” to “The Groper” in four short years.

      • Denniso

        Reagan wasn’t the ‘Gipper’,he was a B actor playing in a movie about the Gipper…you know that.

  • Jeff

    Ladies and Gentelmen,

    I say, give all the glory to Almight God. The Holy Spirit determines by the counsel of the Godhead who shall believe and who shall not believe in the Christ for salvation. Even Satan believes who Jesus is, but it won’t save him in the final judgment.

    Their is a lot of truth to what all of you have written about the Constitution and supporting ideologies. Cut to the chase or stop gabbing and start doing. It is time for all patriots for individual liberty to take action before 2012 or we will all become slaves to the elite. And that will be the sovereign will of God, because we will deserve it!

  • Irene

    IRENE ASKS;

  • Irene

    WHEN WAS THE FIRST COMING? MY GREATEST FEAR IS ‘THE SELECTED’ SECOND COMING.

    • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

      You don’t mean the ‘Twelfth Imam In Waiting” (Barrack ‘Mahdi’ BrObama) do you?

      • Denniso

        That comment doesn’t make you sound intelligent,unless you are being facetious.

        • Denniso

          Which I don’t think you are…

  • chuckb

    denniso

    you are stating the constitution wrong, it says in plain wording: the congress cannot adopt any religion for the government, it does not say anything about a separation of church or state, that was in the jefferson letters. it meant congress couldn’t establish a government religion such as the church of rome or england.

    • Denniso

      Do you actually want gov’t policies open to all and any religion? Do you want Muslim religious scenes painted on your courthouse? Do you want aspects of Sharia law brought into our legal system?
      You and others have a difficult understanding the constitution,but I doubt that you would accept laws based upon religions other than Christianity,which is what could happen if we allow gov’t to fund or support any religious activity.

      • chuckb

        denniso

        what makes you think you understand the constitution better than i?

        the government isn’t going to form any kind of religion that is not what they said. the founding fathers didn’t want a ruling religion like the anglican church (church of england) or the church of rome. they wrote that into the constitution to protect the people from the state. most of the founding fathers were very religious and they wanted this country to be based on the protestant belief of god, however, they did not intend to force religion on anyone. this was a christian nation from the beginning, the zionist, muslims and other predatory religious groups are trying to subvert that fact, hopefully they don’t succeed

        • Denniso

          Chuckb,this was from the beginning a country founded on religious freedom,w/ a majority Christian population. That doesn’t make us a Christian nation.
          With all due respect,I think I understand the constitution better because you continue to insist there is no separation of church and state in it. ‘Establishing’ a religion doesn’t only mean the gov’t would form it’s own religion and force it upon us as a state religion. The same result can be obtained by the gov’t supporting one religion,in our case the Christian religion,w/ funding and allowing the majority religion into aspects of gov’t policies and programs.

          Any gov’t building,program,agency or policy requires laws to be passed.If religious activity is part of those in any way,that violates the constitution. That helps ‘establish’ a religion,and we can’t do that w/ public money,the tax money gov’t uses for services and programs. The founders were very ingenious in writing the first separation clause into a national constitution ever,as far as I know.

          Why do you and others want religion to be injected into areas that are paid for,partly or totally,w/ tax payer money? That is the only proscription that exists on religion,no gov’t money can go to religious activity in things paid for w/ everyone’s money. The gov’t already allows church’s to pay no property tax,and that shouldn’t be considered constitutional either,since it is promoting religion over other uses of property.

          • MashedTaters

            What is the difference between say EPA title 41 of the code of federal regulations,may have that number wrong,and the Bible. Is not a great deal of the government regulation nearly religious or religious, founded on belief rather than uncontradicted facts?

          • chuckb

            denniso

            show me the words of “separation of church and state” in the constitution. the secularist are making your argument. this most likely is founded by the jews since christ is contrary to their belief and some of the wording in the constitution is contrary to the muslims and jews. they cannot abide by the constitution, especially the muslims so where do we go from here. does the way you think protect this country from sharia law if the muslims become the majority? i think not.
            i don’t belong to any church, nor am i a baptized christian, yet i try to follow the teaching of christ and i don’t want any church controlling the government. i certainly don’t want the secularist or jews or muslims taking over the government and both these religions are hard at it. the founding fathers never intended for this. i do want the government to operate under the moral guidance of the christian belief.

          • Denniso

            Mashed…comparing the Bible to gov’t regulations? Wow! The Bible requires total faith in writers from thousands of yrs ago w/ no evidence that Jesus even existed…it’s mostly hearsay and mixed w/ some oral history. The EPA has used thousands of studies and direct evidence in trying to protect the earth and people from the worst of the toxins and chemicals generated by modern industry and society,all the while having to fight industry who pushes back w/ political clout.

          • Denniso

            Chuckb…the constitution is an outline, not a treatise on every issue it discusses. Show me the words,every man and woman can own a high power semi automatic rifle w/ unlimited amo clips. Or,show me the words,we have the right of free speech but we can’t shout ‘fire’ in a theatre. Or,that we have a definite and clear right to privacy.

            Much like the Bible, it doesn’t work very well if we try to take the words of the constitution literally w/ no interpretation. When it says,like I’ve said over and over,that the Congress shall make no law establishing religion,it means that gov’t cannot fund or support any religion,majority or not. Virtually all constitutional experts agree on this.
            You seem to be trying to have it both ways. You want gov’t to operate w/ a Christian mindset,but you fear what could happen if another religion gets it’s influence into the gov’t. Don’t you see that the only way to prevent that is to ensure that NO religion can influence our gov’t?

  • chuckb

    tazio2013

    i just read your suggested website, chomsky is just another liberal, communist would be will rogers. the problem is he couldn’t handle common sense, he’s too much into himself as the literary christ like savior of the democratic elitist.

    • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

      chuck B.,
      I’d put it this way: Progressive governance equates with the segment of our society who simply (through their obvious, at least to them, superior intellect and abilities) know better than the great unwashed what is good for them. If Mark Twain or Will Rogers didn’t say this, they should’ve: “If common sense were, there’d be more of it”.

      • Denniso

        Nothing wrong w/ being unwashed if you still use your mind…problem is that many of the ‘great unwashed’ are also under or uneducated and seldom do any real thinking. Not all,but many only follow the latest trend….anti gov’t,anti Obama,anti liberalism,anti working man,anti environment,anti Fed,anti EPA. Where is the thinking in those adament stances?

        • MashedTaters

          Having not taken a bath recently, I will reply. As a ardent environmentalist, I see the near complete long term failure of EPA to protect the environment as that agency is tasked to do either constitutionally or not. The EPA regulations of which I am very familar are government empire builders and not much more. Sure, the air, water, and land are less polluted for now as compared to the sixties and seventies when EPA was formed. But, long term, the environment, wildlife habitat, and human enjoyment of the environment are at risk due to the unaddressed impacts of population increase and attendant sprawl of our cities.(A good reason to stop all immigration is the environmental reason that I have seen few, really not one person, mention. Each new person in the US will almost certainly degrade or stress environmental quality, destroy ecosystems, and add additional load to pollution control measures.) The regulations are privledge granting pollution permits in most instances. Pay to pollute. Pollution levels are reduced but, sources increase total output. Some pollution is reduced, other pollution increases unregulated. For example, cotton fields around Dallas once were sprayed with DDT, toxaphene, and arsenic compounds. These were banned. The land converts to home sites. Other pollution from cars, lawn care, household cleaning, insect sprays, and plastics replace the old ag pollution. EPA does not regulate any of this including the old ag sprays except wastes at manufacturing or storage locations. EPA is restricted to waste regulation.

          In the greatest affort to industry, EPA requires a permit before you start polluting at a new location. Everything is pollution or toxic now. So, the odds of getting a permit are low. Even the potenial to pollute is regulated. Conseguently, new waste reduction methods that are unproven and unknow to the EPA and its state munions never get tried or tested. EPA and the state agencies in particular stay about 20 years behind the times and way way over budget for anything they attempt.

          Instead, EPA is off chasing the global warming rainbow for a pot of regulatory gold and cash money.

          • Denniso

            I guess your point is that the EPA should be tougher on polluters? And,sure,everyone agrees that population impacts the environment,but the question is how to deal w/ it. Why not call for a ban on having more than,say,two children per family? Why do we continue to give tax incentives for large families? If an average family has 6 or so kids,they pay no fed tax.
            I don’t think you are an ardent environmentalist if you believe that the threat of global warming is just chasing a pot of regulatory gold.

          • Claire

            Does China still allow only one child per couple? I haven’t heard anything about this lately.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I believe they still do, though if one has more than one, you are heavily taxed. I guess that’s always been the case, and frequently the extra baby is sold to a childless couple particularly if it’s a boy; boy baby/toddlers are also kidnapped and sold to childless couples. Much harder to sell a girl. I watched a fascinating, yet terribly sad documentary on this last winter. Gutting for the parents who lose a child to the common kidnapping by children brokers – I wonder what they are going to do for all these boys growing up looking for wives that don’t exist anymore because of the slaughter of girls or their adoptions out of country.

    • Tazio2013

      chuckb,

      Maybe this will awaken you from your dogmatic slumber?

      http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/2011_a_brave_new_dystopia_20101227/

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    Puck: “What fools these mortals be”. Nite, nite.

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    One final, um, “Parting Shot”, if you will, a’ fore I go. Now, “I ain’t had no proper fetch’n up”, as a very dear friend of mine (and best man at my wedding) from Nebraska used to put it. (His tongue firmly planted in his cheeky cheek.) But some of you may be old enough (and those not, computer savvy enough) to remember (or find) a song from the fifties titled “The Little Blue Man”. “I wuv you, I wuv you, said the Little Blue Man” went the chorus, “I wuv you, I wuv you to bits”. How annoying, disappointing, distracting and inexcusable it is to think that today’s “Brains full of mush” might listen to that song and (forced to, kicking and screaming) write down the lyrics as: “I wuv you, I wuv you, two bits”.

  • chuckb

    denniso

    i understand where you are coming from and in a lot of ways we parallel
    in our thought. since i feel this nation was founded by people of my belief and raised in that atmosphere i can’t give up the fight to keep this country christian and what i mean is keep our gods name in the public place, not the allah of the muslims nor any other religion. as i see it the jews are more aggressive in removing the name of christ from our schools and public buildings. the difference in the jewish belief is they don’t believe in christ. our forefathers believed christ is god and that’s why the jews would like to remove god’s name from anything pertaining to the government. so that’s why i believe they use the separation of church and state argument.
    religions have caused more problems in this world and they are all man made. i don’t partake of any religion only in what christ taught.

    • Denniso

      Chuckb,we aren’t all that far apart on some of this,but I think you are making a mistake in thinking that Jews are mostly responsible for,in your words,’trying to remove Jesus from our country’. I was raised as a Christian and I am firm and certain in my desire to keep the gov’t secular or non religious, and most of the people I know who feel the same are not Jewish. We believe strongly that any religious belief or feeling belongs only in the individual heart,home or church. The only reason to inject religion into gov’t affairs is to promote it and establish it as a dominant religion for the country.

      I don’t think you are a bigot or anti semite,but phrases like you used concerning Jews can come across as such and given the sad history of Jewish persecution we have to be careful not to feed into the plans of actual bigots and want to be persecutors.
      Have a good new year and drive safely…

      • chuckb

        denniso

        having watched the actions of the aclu and southern poverty law center over the years has caused my opinion to be such. my family at one time were involved with the movie industry and this also bolstered my mindset. anyway, have a happy new year and you too be safe.

  • http://www.judegoss.com Carol S Key

    The Christians had better unite with the Jews, find common ground, and save Israel or we are all gone! As for the Muslims, they have figured out how to unite and this we can learn from them. Unfortunately, their motivation would be all wrong.

    And since all of our founding documents fail to have credibility, we better at least hear the prophetic words of the Greatest Book ever written…words coming true but falling on the ears of a deafened world.

    The time is now…or perhaps you prefer the “never” alternative?

    • chuckb

      carol s key

      most everyone i know support israel. however, there is a difference in what faction we support. i support binyamin netanyahu the prime minister of israel and really respect him. i do not support the communist jews surrounding barry soetoro.

  • Some American

    Nice article. But how the hell is this the American people’s fault? We’ve been awake the whole time. We’re also afraid of the government.

  • Denniso

    I wanted to make a small point in reference to the article. If an American happens to be black,hispanic,asian,native,female,physically or mentally challenged, they all enjoy much more freedom then they would have when the country was founded by our glorious founders 200+ yrs ago. They are more free than they would have been even just 50 yrs ago. The only people who feel less free are the white males who used to have essentially all the freedom,power and opportunity available in the country. I wonder if the lessening of the total control that white males once had to the detriment of the rest of the population is what’s behind all this whining about ‘tyranny’. I think so.

  • chuckb

    denniso

    our nation offers everyone a free shot at opportunity and that’s the way it should be. we all lose when they take from one to prop up another. we have cut the curriculum in the schools to even the advancement of another race, this not only reduces the ability of one race, but gives a false sense of achievement to the other. if man is considered equal then it should be each man to his own ability. i accept the fact it will never be possible for me to be a brain surgeon or a physicist and if we cut the requirements for that field to satisfy me, where are we? our country has slipped in education and slipping in technology, our schools are failing to produce the engineers and scientist our nation requires to succeed and this is what the last fifty years have produced. i say that is wrong. so we are not whining about tyranny we are desiring common sense.

    • Denniso

      ‘Our nation offers everyone a free shot at opportunity’? If you really believe that then there is no discussion. How does a baby born into an abusive,poverty wracked,drugged out family living in a gang area have anything like equal opportunity compared to a baby born into a solid middle or upper class family w/ all that goes along w/ it? Millions of kids are lost to society and themselves way before they have any control over their surroundings and life.
      If there really was equal opportunity for absolutely every child born in this or any country,then everything would be different and better and there would be no need to help so many who never get a real chance.

      Jesus was a bleeding heart liberal who wanted to help the poor and less fortunate and had obvious disdain for the wealthy,saying they couldn’t get into heaven anymore than a camel could get through the eye of a needle. He encouraged the rich to give away their wealth,not just a little, but all of it. He knew even back then that the huge disparity of wealth was a serious problem for society and a blight on creation.

  • chuckb

    denniso

    jesus also said not to cast your pearls amongst the swine!

    do you say the same thing about the african people, how about south africa, they took over one of the richest self supporting nations in the world, now they are practically a welfare case. at the same time look at what used to be rohdesia (zimbabwe) you call that spreading the wealth? that country was a beautiful prosperous nation and again they spread the wealth, now look at it. the same can be said about many of our own cities in this country. i disagree with your philosophy, people have to better themselves, not depend on welfare or equal opportunity. no one makes anyone live in the ghetto’s this is a chosen life, you might say the democratic party since the johnson administration is responsible for a lot of the black welfare, do you remember his great society program? this caused an increase of welfare participants amongst the black people and that has continued to this day. we have illegal aliens following in their footsteps. socialism does not work,it never has and

    • Denniso

      It isn’t just black people in dire poverty…plenty of whites are as well,more in fact. You say no one makes people live in slums? What about my point about all the children born into poverty and terrible neighborhoods? Most Republicans want to ignore the reality that babies have no choice where they are born or into which conditions. How can you say that they aren’t forced into poverty or ghettos? They have literally no choice and many Americans ignore that fact and just blame the parents for having them in the first place…that blame doesn’t do the children any good,does it? If you as a Christian can’t feel the scourge and pain of kids living in dire poverty through no fault of their own,and admit that all society has a moral responsibility for them, then what can I say? How can you imagine that Jesus would approve of us ignoring their plight because their parents shouldn’t have had them?

      • Denniso

        I never said ‘spread the wealth’,that’s your term. All societies have laws and economic rules. We have laws that give subsidies to military contractors and large agri biz. We have laws for the financial sector and banking. What I suggest is laws that help create a society in which more people have an equal chance at making a decent life for themselves and children. Why do you think it’s OK to tilt the economic
        playing field in favor of big biz and the wealthy,often using tax dollars to do so,and then think it’s socialism or some sort of dictatorship to try to tilt things back just a little in the direction of the little person? Corporate America has spent billions to get many Americans to support the tilt toward the wealthy and big biz and rail and complain about any movement toward the working man.

  • chuckb

    continued:

    our politicians are still trying. with the millions of illegals who have crossed and are crossing our borders there are 10 or more million americans un-employed, where do you want to start spreading all this wealth?

  • John Martin

    Pardon the pun, but this piece is pure baloney. First of all, courts often strike down various things that agencies like the EPA or FCC do on the basis that the actions were outside that agency’s jurisdiction. It’s not evidence of a conspiracy: quite the contrary, it shows how governmental institutions are controlled in a democratic society. Secondly, if you bothered to read anything but the Glen Beck version of the Food Safety Act, you’d see that it’s not nearly as sinister as you make it out to be. The bill was supported by the food industry, consumer advocates and public health groups- people who, unlike you, actually know what they’re talking about. The bill will increase the number of inspections of food facilities and will allow the FDA to force food recalls, rather than relying on companies to voluntarily remove contaminated foods. Ah, there’s your problem with the bill right there- it interferes with our God-given right to eat contaminated food.

  • chuckb

    denniso

    your heart seems to be in the right place and i can agree on a lot you say about corporate interest. the problem is almost all corporations are owned by shareholders and this means average americans owning stock, so you have to include everybody in this greed, i blame people like george soros and lewis these are unscrupulous people of the first order and if i’m right they both fund the democratic party. so there’s blame on both sides. we cannot help people who refuse to help themselves and we will always have the poor, so christ said. happy new year again

    • Denniso

      Happy new year Chuck,and to all here as well as Bob Livingston. We can all agree that we want the country to be improved for 2011. Cheers, and drive safely.

      • Denniso

        Chuckb, could you answer my point about the millions of babies born into lousy situations and what we should do about them,as far as equal opportunity goes.

        Also, corporations aren’t really owned by regular invstors any more than our gov’t is really owned by the people.

  • chuckb

    denniso

    we all have equal opportunity, god made us equal and so i believe we all have the same intelligence. it’s just a matter of applying this god given gift. if we choose not to use this intelligence properly then who’s too blame? there are lots of people raised in poverty that succeeded by their own initiative. we have tons of laws pertaining to equal rights, so i don’t really see a problem there.

    you pretty much answered the other question.

    • Denniso

      You could look this up,but the vast majority of kids born into dire poverty and terrible living conditions don’t do well. They become criminals,commit violent crime against the rest of us,die young,don’t graduate HS or got to college and most wind up in prison. Aside from the terrible human cost and lost potential for all, the monetary cost to all of us from the ongoing disaster of crippling poverty is hundreds of billions a year.

      Do you really belive that everyone is ‘created equal’? everyone can be a Bill Gates or warren Buffet? No one is smarter or stronger or inherently healthier?

      • Denniso

        ‘go to college’

    • Karolyn

      But that is so not true! We all may have equal opportunity, but we are not all made the same and do NOT have equal intelligence! There is no way on earth that every person born and raised in a ghetto can be successful! NO WAY!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        “No Way” is the truth with your outlook. People have to want to succeed. The tools are still there. Free secondary education, libraries, colleges and trade schools that are affordable, even free with the GI Bill. The desire has to be there though and far too many people don’t have. They bitch like hell about how unfair life is but do next to nothing to lift themselves up. The ghettos are like the Indian Reservations. Too many people are willing to live lives of mediocracy on the gvt. dole. What does our gvt. do? They punish succes and reward sloth.

        • Denniso

          And how exactly does the current gov’t ‘punish’ punish success and reward sloth’? By giving multi million dollar tax cuts to the wealthiest and actually increasing taxes on some in the lower middle class. Your tired old cliches that really say nothing are just that…tired and old. Come up w/ some new ones,or wait until Palin does it for you and you can gleefully follow along.

        • Denniso

          I’m guessing you have never really seen an indian reservation. And to think that we can conquer a people,steal most of their land,eradicate their religion and culture,force them onto mostly desolate parcels of land and then not expect those people to suffer and have major problems adjusting to a new white man’s world, is just juvenile and thoughtless.

  • chuckb

    denniso

    we are always going to have poverty and in some culture’s more so. people have to pull themselves up and not wait for the crutch.

    going to college is a must if you want to succeed, however, we shouldn’t lower the entrance exams in order to accommodate those that cannot pass. this is what has happened, this is why we are losing the education war. this reflects in the teachers themselves.
    going to college isn’t for everyone, we should have trade schools where those of less ability can learn a profession, we are not all blessed with the ability to become engineers, doctors and so on. the liberal faction has embedded the believe in some people that all they have to do is get a diploma from college and they can succeed in anything. not true!. make the college entrance exam more difficult and only those that have that ability will enter and we will see more engineers and doctors and not so many political activist and revolutionaries. universities should return to the school of higher learning, not the school to undo america.

    • Denniso

      Saying we are always going to have poverty doesn’t mean we shouldn’t all work to make things better for the millions of poor,especially the children. If that were not the case then would Jesus have walked among the poor or would he have just talked and associated w/ the rich?

      Please tell me how a child born into poverty and a totally dysfunctional family w/ drugs,crime and abuse can hope to pull himself out of it. If most kids in that situation don’t get real help from others or the community in some way,they don’t get out. Some churches help but not all kids are going to respond well to a religious message that may be their only hope.

      • chuckb

        denniso

        i think you are worrying about a problem you have no power over. i have worked with white kids and black kids from poverty areas, some of the black kids were 21 and couldn’t sign their name. is society to blame? or is the welfare system we have the one you point your finger at.

        • Denniso

          All of us have the power of our vote,and who we vote for affects how these large problems are dealt w/ or not. There are programs that cost money that aren’t welfare,but rather educational and job training and housing and more. If we are content w/ the status quo of 45 million American citizens living in poverty and all that goes w/ it then don’t vote to try to improve things. I think we all a moral obligation to help the least among us. I think the gov’t is one of the mechanisms to do it. All the charity in the world will not create a healthy and just society.

          • Denniso

            Chuckb,you didn’t answer my question about what we should do about all the babies born into terrible conditions and that are handicapped from the beginning,and that often can’t recover from their lousy start. That’s what is fundamentally wrong about not changing the status quo and extricating innocent kids from such a flawed beginning. It sounds like you think nothing can be done and we should just write off millions of kids every generation. How can that be acceptable to a Christian or humanitarian?

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Tyranny also ultimately fails and tyrants always hanging from a light pole or facing a firing squad. Most people, especially Americans who have known freedom will not tolerate tyranny for long. Death to tyrants and traitors.

  • John Rettberg

    It is interesting how a discussion on our government always transitions in to religious fervor. The divine inspiration that Europe saw in the words of our founding fathers made them believe that ordinary men could never have thought of the concept of libertarian rule. Although the founders expounded that a free society could never remain free without a moral compass, people still dispel the notion that morality can somehow be separated from religion. As they stated “Our rights come from God”, maybe this is too ideological, but if not God then who?

    • Denniso

      Ethics,rights and morality come from tens of thousands of yrs of human developement and social evolution. We learn over time and as part of the evolutionary process that some things work better than others and help ensure the survival of the species and social contract. We call these things human rights and morality.

  • chuckb

    denniso

    human rights are the trojan horse of society—ex president samoza, nicaragua.

    man is out breeding it’s space on this earth. until man controls the urge to breed profusely and stops adding too many plates to the table, there will be no end to human suffering. we are like a cancer on this earth eating our life up. the sea life is being depleted by commercial fishing, cities are growing over our orchards and planting fields, government corruption is over coming many countries and leading to revolutions and war. we have religions like islam trying to enslave the world in an ignorant ideology and on and on, so what are we learning?

    • Denniso

      I agree w/ you…we have too many people already on the earth and more all the time. We have gov’t giving tax breaks to large families and religions still urging their followers to produce too many kids. If we don’t get population under control we and the earth are doomed in the long run,no matter what else we can do about our problems.

  • mickey

    hey folks this country is in more trouble now than it ever has been. please be careful you never know who is reading this. so take care, be prepared, keep your ears, and eyes open and above all ask GOD for wisdom.have a nice day.

    • Denniso

      No, you never know who’s reading this,that’s the wonder of the internet. But we do know that many wacko and paranoid people post comments here…

  • ’53 Korean Vet

    I’m in an awkward position-! As a Korean Vet retired on Soc.Sec. of–$12,000/yr–I’ve already spent 19% on Charities & 20% on Medicals-! I grew up as a young adult, & on 5 isolated occasions, I’m guilty of
    saving 5 different lives by the time I was 38-! And my problem is this
    –I don’t know if I saved 3 Democrats & 2 Republicans, or vice versa!
    Mainly at the time, I didn’t think to ask them! But as each event took
    place, I was glad–to just be handy, & to have things work-out for the
    Best-! True, I have no medals, or news stories, but at those times, I
    didn’t believe I deserved any-! But it does bother me now–because,
    ‘was I supposed to “Hate” somebody-! I thought at the time–that I’d
    done the “Right Thing”-! Growing up on the wrong-side of the Tracks, wasn’t my problem–since my folks lived in R/R.Bunk-cars or coaches right on the Tracks! Yes, we’ve train-smoke & noise all thru our life!
    Since most men had gone to war–I helped to work as a teen, oiling-
    down large steam locomotives, lifting 60# lime-bags in the “Limehouse”
    to put lime in the water-tanks of Engines–to reduce rust-scale from
    the boilers! I also worked on Section-gangs & Bridge-gangs, as strong-
    backs were needed in place of machines! If no one learned, that Lime, mixed with sweat, makes quick-lime which burns your bare-skin! The
    same way that ‘pitch-covered’ R/R-ties burn your skin & if you fear
    coal-dust & Grease, you’re not a R/R family-! I was taught to read at
    3 yrs-old by my Mother-! By the time, I was 6, I’d read 3rd & 4th
    grade books-! We’d move about, & change schools 15 times a year-! It
    was up to me–to keep up with my school-work-! I knew families that
    thought if their kids had to change schools 3 times in a year–it was
    terrible-! After I left Service, I worked with the Highway Dept, we were putting 4-lane freeways across our state! We had a backhoe shovel
    mounted on a truck–we had to ‘locate’ gravel-pits for a 6-mile Bidder
    to build his 6-mile section of paved roads! In an arroyo-bed on Indian
    land, we’d dug down 22′& I had to get a bucket-sample from the bottom!
    The side caved off & I was buried 4′ over my head! My survey-engineer
    crew-chief was 1/2 Indian, & had been buried the same way 5 yrs ago-!
    He “Saved” me by digging like a dog, sand flying between his legs, as
    he knew that you have to get the guy’s head uncovered–so you get air,
    again! It was a ‘long 5minutes’-! But I’m still here–no one packed the dirt down good-! And it won’t be the 1st time–I gasped for air,
    when I was 2 yrs-old, I fell into a 7′ deep irrigation ditch, & was “Saved” by my Belgium Police-Dog! But please spell it backwards with a capital “G” & it reads “God”! Maybe I was saved–to “Save” the
    other “5-guys”-! Yes, I’m Christian & had 3 Ancestors aboard the
    “Mayflower”-! Thanks to their Genes, I’d also licked “Polio” when I was 12-! 20 times in my life–I’ve faced Life or Death Situations, I’m
    still here to thank the “Good Lord”! I’m really not that terrific, but
    God uses me when he can-! We belong to a small 40 adult member church,
    & 8 of us who don’t work, volunteer our time 2 days a month under a Director of our Church’s Food Pantry & transfer Free Food Commodities
    to Families in Need each month. Our Lady-Director was “Declared Dead”
    once on the Operating Table, during a Heart-Operation, volunteered her
    unpaid time for 15 years! At my age of over 80, I found that labor of
    moving 60# boxes of canned fruits, vegetables, & 80# sacks of potatoes
    & onions gave me the exercise I needed to keep my muscles in tone-!
    Besides, I liked the mission of helping families thru the rough times!
    For those of you–who don’t know your true U.S. History, I’ve done
    “Research” to find out that “Rock-Stars & Movie-Stars” aren’t really
    Heroes-! 400 men “Saved an Army” & “The American Revolution” on Sept
    27th 1776, & our PhD’s who write our High-School History Books–left
    them out! Type in–www.nyfreedom.com/oldstonehouse.htm (And see what
    “real Heroes” look like-! Movie-stars & Rock-stars will charge you
    $20-$50 apiece to go see them–(They’re not giving you anything–they
    are “taking you”-!) The Maryland Four Hundred took on 4,000 ‘crack’
    British troops–the kind that will defeat Napoleon later! But 400
    against 4,000–”That’s not Bravery, that’s not Courage–it’s Suicide!”
    I hate to tell you this–they also “Saved G. Washington” from being captured, or Killed also-! Kind of makes you think that even Superman
    would have had trouble–outdoing this small group of MEN-! After the
    Battle of White Plains, only one man remained of the 400, & Washington
    made him–a Brig. General, his portrait is found in the Art Galleries,
    as “Mordecai Gist”! Know the Truth how brave men gave more, than all
    the Movie-stars & Rock-stars combined–they gave you our Freedoms-&
    haven’t asked us for one-dime! Would any of you given as much as them?

  • Lawrence Ekdahl

    For at least 60 years the public schools and colleges hav indoctrinated our children to despise America and have prepared their minds to accept a strong leader to right all the wrongs of the world through a global dictatorship. I fear they have been successful and it is to late .

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