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The Gun Did It

December 4, 2012 by  

The Gun Did It
SCREENSHOT
Jovan Belcher and Kasandra Perkins were the parents of 3-month-old Zoey.

Jovan Belcher didn’t kill Kasandra Perkins and himself. The gun did it.

Daily abuse of alcohol and painkillers didn’t contribute to Jovan Belcher’s murderous and suicidal rampage. The gun did it.

The effects of too many blows to the head suffered by his choice of profession didn’t have anything to do with it either. The gun did it.

“Maybe brain damage triggered his violent overreaction to a fight with his girlfriend,” sportswriter Jason Whitlock wrote on Sunday. “What I believe is, if he didn’t possess/own a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.” NBC’s Bob Costas then doubled down on this idea during halftime of the Sunday Night Football telecast, quoting two anti-gun paragraphs from Whitlock’s article.

Belcher’s problem was not that he owned a gun. His problem was in the choices he made. He chose for himself a brutal and violent profession that left him racked with pain and possibly with a damaged brain. Rather than find a better way to make a living, he chose to continue to play and try to mask the pain with daily doses of alcohol and drugs, ignoring the effects they were having on his already addled brain.

Then, not appreciating the value of human life — his own and that of the mother of his child — he chose violence as a way out.

By blaming the gun, Whitlock and Costas attempted to absolve Belcher of any responsibility for his actions. They also attempted to deflect attention away from football — which indirectly pays their salary.

Football is a violent sport. Violent people play it. That violence is encouraged by the owners (through the offering of huge contracts), coaches and, most importantly, the fans, who wildly cheer the most violent of impacts. A violent reaction from a football player should come as no surprise. And research is showing that repeated concussions cause unexpected behavioral changes.

But it wasn’t the gun that killed Perkins and Belcher. It was Belcher. Guns are tools and nothing more. Belcher was on a murderous rampage — shooting Perkins nine times, which denotes a violent rage — and he could have (and no doubt would have) just as easily used a knife, a hammer or a screwdriver to kill Perkins. There are dozens of ways he could have offed himself.

To blame the gun is the work of fools or people trying to protect their livelihood, or both.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • CZ52

    “To blame the gun is the work of fools or people trying to protect their livelihood, or both.”

    That pretty much sums it up yet I am sure there will be some who will come on this site and make comments calling for ever greater gun control that will do nothing to stop gun violence but rather just put more and more burdens on the law abiding gun owner.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “CZ52″ – THE GUN ISSUE IS A NON-ISSUE.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE Jovan Belcher STORY BECAME A GUN-RIGHTS ISSUE. YES – PEOPLE UTILIZE GUNS AS A METHOD OF PROTECTION AGAINST CRIMINALS. BUT, PEOPLE ALSO UTILIZE GUNS AS A METHOD OF EXECUTION WHEN IT COMES TO OTHERS IN THEIR CLOSE ASSOCIATION WHO HAVE “WRONGED” THEM.

        FOR THE PAST – LET US SAY – THIRTY-FIVE YEARS, THE STRESSES OF LIFE HAVE CAUSED PEOPLE’S EMOTIONS TO GO INTO “OVERDRIVE.” WHEN SOMEONE HURTS YOU, YOU WANT TO HURT THEM BACK. IN THE OLD DAYS, FEELINGS OF HURT SUBSIDED IN FAVOR OF REASON. BACK THEN, IF YOU NO LONGER WANTED TO “DEAL” WITH SOMEONE, YOU SIMPLY “WALKED AWAY.” NOW, PEOPLE WANT A “FINALITY” TO THEIR HURT. IN THE NEGRO COMMUNITY, LIFE IS THE MOST PRECIOUS THING AN INDIVIDUAL OWNS. THEREFORE, CONTEMPORARY PEOPLE FEEL A “FINALITY” WILL COME TO THEIR “HURT” BY PRODUCING THE “FINALITY” OF THE INDIVIDUAL’S LIFE WHO HURT YOU.

        THIS IDEAL IS THE REASON WHY THERE ARE “DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS” AND SERIAL MURDERS. WHEN YOU EXAMINE THE CASES OF FAMOUS MURDERERS, YOU ALWAYS FIND A CULPRIT WHO HAD “HURT” THE MURDERER TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT THE “HURTED” PERSON TOOK ACTION.

        GUNS PROVIDE A WAY OF TAKING ACTION. NO BAN OF FIREARMS WILL STOP SOME INDIVIDUALS’ DESIRE TO END THEIR “HURT.”

      • cdd

        Absolutely right!!
        American society (no matter what the political left wants) will NEVER ALLOW itself to be disarmed! Any attempt fo forcibly disarm the American public will only trigger another civil war. At that point, I can only pray that members of our military and law enforcement communities take their oath to support and defend the Constitution more seriously than ANY order to violate it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Charlie R

        To answer your question as to how this became a gun issue, consider Bob Coata’s rant during the football game. Here is a guy that stuck his personal opinions in the middle of a sports program and, in my opinion sparked the “Gun Issue”. Now, Obama has the “crisis” he needs to sign the ATT ( small arms treaty) with the UN.

      • plumjam57

        guns kill people just like negro communitys kill each other? More whites kill whites by 10 folds besides, where do you find a negro community now days????
        Can’t fix stupid can we?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Charlie R,”

        YOU FORGOT ABOUT AMERICA’S VIEWS ON RACE.

        THE Belcher Story IS A “black-on-black” CRIME. AMERICAN CAUCASIANS ARE USED TO VIEWING NEWS REPORTS OF SUCH CRIMES. THEREFORE, THIS TYPE OF CRIME IS A PART OF OUR “AMERICAN CONSCIOUS.”

        ON THE OTHER HAND, “Charlie R,” THE James Holmes Story [COLORADO THEATER-SHOOTING] IS THE “RIGHT-TYPE” OF STORY [a "white" shooter] TO POSSIBLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE United Nation’s Treaty.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “plumjam57″ – IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAS “BOUGHT-INTO THIS MULTI-CULTURALISM CRAP,” I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO YOU. DO NOT CONFUSE RACIAL CHANGES IN POPULATION WITH RACIAL CHANGES IN IDEOLOGY. RACIAL IDEOLOGIES HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THIS NATION.

        “plumjam57″ – IF YOU WANT TO SEE A NEGRO COMMUNITY COME TO EASTERN ARKANSAS, NORTHERN MISSISSIPPI AND WESTERN TENNESSEE.

      • Ed Anderson

        I have to ask the question…do you not know how to use the Caps button in the proper manner,unless your keyboard is needing replacement ????

    • duif100

      If guns do not safe lives, then why does law enforcement carry fire arms?

      • eddie47d

        To harass and intimadate the public!

      • Hedgehog

        Because flame throwers and rocket launchers are too heavy?

      • Wayne De Cicco

        If all these people would put up signs , saying NO GUNS HERE , they would have home invasions after invasions, instead they hide behind the 2nd Amendment and curse we the people that have guns in our home.. p s I practice often and can call my shots most times………

      • elba schmitt

        The unfortunate death of this oman had nothing to do with a gun, but due to domestic violence. This football player’s hands were weapons in themselves. If, he was bent on killing her, he could have done it by chocking her with his strog hands. His teammates talk about what a nice person he was, was he? No one talks about the woman. Who knows how much abuse she took from him. This is not the first football player that has killed a wife or significant other, and I’m sure would not be the last. For Bob Costas to blame her death on a gun, is ridiculous and he should be fired. I think he needs to research all the violence against women by men, where guns were not used. Costas is a real idiot. e schmitt

      • http://Aol.com CommonSense4America

        I’m sorry to have to inform you,,,law enforcement officers do NOT carry weapons to protect you. They carry weapons to protect themselves.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        Hedgehog says: “Because flame throwers and rocket launchers are too heavy?”

        +1!

        – Smoov

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “elba schmitt” – YOU ARE ON POINT!

        A NEGRO MALE WITH SOME MONEY “GOT INTO A SQUABBLE” WITH HIS WIFE AND THINGS “GOT OUT-OF HAND.”

        PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS TRAGEDY WILL HAVE “FAR-REACHING CONSEQUENCES” – IN REFERENCE TO “GUN GRABS” – ARE DILLUSIONAL.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        CORRECTION – [ME; 4:36 PM] MEANT TO HAVE TYPED, “GIRLFRIEND.”

      • Testa Sterone

        The police do not carry firearms to protect you – they carry firearms to protect themselves. Funny! Isn’t it? They don’t want you to have the right to protect yourself but in a push-comes-to-shove situation the police will be protecting their own a$$ and leave you out to dry! The philosophy is all back a$$wards.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        December 4, 2012 at 8:04 am
        To harass and intimadate the public!
        __________________________________________________________________

        Nope, the cops carry guns to protect “themselves”.
        The same principle holds for all Americans.

    • DEENA SCHMIDT

      HE WAS CONTROLLED BY THE DEVIL. HE BOUGHT INTO THE LIE, THAT LIVING THE LIFESTYLE HE LIVED WOULD BRING HIM HAPPINESS. THE BIBLE SAYS THERE IS A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT THE END THEREOF IS DESTRUCTION. MAYBE HE DID HAVE SOME HEAD INJURY FROM HIS PROFESSION BUT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN EVALUATED. OF COURSE DRUGS AN ALCOHOL DID NOT HELP. HIS GIRLFRIEND KNOWING THIS AS I AM SURE THEY HAVE HAD CONFRONTATIONS BEFORE, SHOULD HAVE LEFT HIM, BUT HE PROBABLY THREATENED HER THAT IF SHE DID, HE WOULD KILL HER AND HIMSELF, AND THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE FIGHTING ABOUT, MAYBE SHE WANTED OUT. SAD SAD!!! GUNS DID NOT KILL THEM, HE COULD HAVE USED ANYTHING ELSE TO DO THE JOB. MANY PEOPLE HAVE MET VIOLENT DEATHS WITHOUT GUNS.

      • Paul Wells

        Amen, Deena Schmidt. You told it like it is, but you will be attacked for it, for there are those in this world (and on this thread!) that think they know better than you, how you should life your life, and what you should believe. This is why our country is doomed!

    • JUKEBOX

      Wasn’t it the holy pacifist Barak Obama himself who made a comment about bringing a knife, like O.J., to a gunfight? You can kill someone with a lady’s hatpin or a lead pencil.

    • Carol J

      And if he hadn’t had a gun, he would have found another way to accomplish it. In his frame of mind it would have happened no matter what.

    • H/H

      Jovan Belcher killed his girlfriend and then himself with a gun.
      Another weapon in the arsenal for those who wish guns to be banned.
      No mention of Christopher Krumm, who this week killed his father’s girl friend with a knife, then shot his father with a bow and arrow, and ultimately killing his father and then himself with a knife.
      I hear no calls to ban knives or bows? Where are you ESPN?

      • elba schmitt

        HH, you are right on point. If, someone wants to kill another, they’ll find a way. I find that these so-called Super Hero players, think their way/wants are the only things that matter. Sports fans gloriified them and they think they deserve everything without taking any responsibilty for their behabior and/or actions. Bob Costas get a life and keep your personal opinions to yourself. e schmitt

      • Lorene

        NO!!! NO !!! NO!!! When are you people going to get it right? It wasn’t the man with the gun in his hand! He didn’t go near the victim. It wasn’t the gun in the man’s hand! It didn’t go near the victim either. IT WAS THE BULLET THAT KILLED HER!!!!!!!

      • Janet

        I thank you for mentioning Kristopher Krum, the 25 year old that killed his father and his girlfriend with a cross-bow and two “very large” knives. He drove across country to do this and had applied for a gun permit before he made the trip. He killed Heidi Arnold in the driveway of her home when she had no weapon to protect herself. He killed his father, Jim Krum, in his classroom with students in the room. I live in the town where this happened, a red state that now has a conceal carry permit in place. A gun would have made Kristopher’s killing easier, but the killing was going to happen, that’s clear. If there is a better recent example of how shallow the “gun did it” is, I haven’t heard of it.

    • A.J. DelCiampo

      ON ONE LEVEL IT’S ABOUT PROTECTING A CASH COW CALLED PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. ON ANOTHER LEVEL THE ANTI-2CND AMMENDMENT TYPES WILL EXPLOIT ANY HIGH PROFILE INCIDENT INVOLVING FIREARMS TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Gun Control is hitting what you aim at. If this nut job didn’t have a gun, he would have beat her to death with his fist, so cut off hands, a club, don’t grow trees, poison, don’t allow anything that kills, cars, don’t let anyone drive, aids, don’t let people have sex. Lets get rid of everything so their is no death? Abortions kill those who can’t fight back, that isn’t fair yet more people want that, LOL, really sad immoral BS. I can lay a loaded gun down in the street and until the person decides to pick it up and harm someone, it really is nothing. So I know and you know, it is the person and intents that decide to kill in what ever manner they want, not the tool, speaking of tools, saws kill, hammers kill, so stop building since your using a weapon to build when it is really there to kill. Baby’s kill from time to time, are they in prison? The Marxist government is fearful of those who can over throw them and that makes them fearful, yet they have the armies to kill for them and protect them but a citizen who can fight back makes them little cowards and that is the problem, the government who wants to control, not the person who protects their rights, freedoms and do it on their own.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    NEGRO MALES DO NOT LIKE PAYING CHILD SUPPORT. PERIOD.

    NEGRO MALES CONSIDER IT TO BE THE FEMALE’S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE THE “PILL” [ETC.]; NEGRO MALES HATE CONDOMS. IF THE NEGRO MALE HAS MONEY, THE PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND, “HAS IT MADE.” IF THE NEGRO MALE IS POOR, THE PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND STILL “HAS IT MADE,” BECAUSE WHILE THE FATHER IS IN JAIL FOR NON-PAYMENT OF CHILD-SUPPORT THE FEMALE IS “LIVING-OFF” THE TAXPAYERS.

    Carolina Panthers’ Rae Carruth KILLED HIS PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND [Cherica Adams] BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT.

    Kansas City Chiefs ARE HAVING A LOSING SEASON. THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE “SOME HEADS WILL ROLL” IN THE COACHING STAFF AT THE END OF THE SEASON. SOME PLAYERS ARE ALSO AT RISK OF LOSING A “ROSTER SPOT.”

    Jovan Belcher IS A MEDIOCRE PLAYER. AT AGE TWENTY-FIVE, HE WAS PROBABLY WONDERING ABOUT HIS FUTURE WITH THE Chiefs. TO HAVE A THREE-MONTH-OLD CHILD CAN BE A STRESSFUL SITUATION WHEN YOUR LIFE IS IN A PRECARIOUS SITUATION. REPORTS SAY Mr. Belcher AND Kasandra Perkins WERE CONSTANTLY ARGUING.

    MAYBE, Mr. Belcher WAS ANGRY FOR BEING “TRICKED” INTO FATHERHOOD.

    • Kinetic1

      CAH,
      You and your rhetoric never cease to amaze me.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kinetic1,”

        I WATCHED THE Rae Carruth Trial ON Court TV. COURT TESTIMONY PROVED Mr. Carruth HIRED THE ASSASSIN BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT TO SUPPORT Ms. Adams’ CHILD. FURTHERMORE – ACROSS THIS COUNTRY – SEVERAL MALES HAVE DONE JAILTIME FOR NOT PAYING CHILD-SUPPORT.

        SO, “Kinetic1,” WHY DO YOU THINK MY COMMENTS ABOUT Mr. Belcher ARE “FAR-FETCHED?”

      • Mike

        His msg is absolutely fact,, every word of it,,You can spew your bs all you want to,, but they will continue to kill each other,, it will never stop.. Black men have no respect for women or children,, life to them is expendable,, do the research before you speak..compare the black prison population with anyother race of people.

      • Kinetic1

        Mike,
        Compare the court trials and transcripts and see how racially imbalanced our “justice” system is.
        “the Department of Justice found that blacks and Hispanics were approximately three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop than white motorists. African Americans were twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.”

        “African Americans comprise 14 percent of regular drug users but are 37 percent of those arrested for drug offenses. From 1980 to 2007 about one in three of the 25.4 million adults arrested for drugs was African American.”

        “The U.S. Sentencing Commission stated that in the federal system black offenders receive sentences that are 10 percent longer than white offenders for the same crimes. The Sentencing Project reports that African Americans are 21 percent more likely to receive mandatory-minimum sentences than white defendants and are 20 percent more like to be sentenced to prison.”
        http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/03/13/11351/the-top-10-most-startling-facts-about-people-of-color-and-criminal-justice-in-the-united-states/

        The number of black men in prison is not necessarily proof of a higher “natural” tendency towards criminal acts among their race, but more often reflects the results of societal conditioning and bias. But hey, CAH says he’s black so he MUST know everything about what “NEGRO MALES” are thinking.

      • Kinetic1

        CAH,
        “Of the 2.5 million poor nonresident fathers who do not pay child support, the two largest groups are black (41 percent) and white (40 percent), with Hispanic fathers (14 percent) accounting for most of the rest.”
        http://www.urban.org/publications/310334.HTML

        WOW! A whopping 1%! Black father ARE less likely to pay child support! Yep, your seemingly racist remarks are obviously just facts seen from a world where 1% is a huge number. You know, white men are often tried and convicted for failing to pay support as well.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kinetic1,”

        YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A “GENERAL-” RACIAL ISSUE. YES – IT IS A RACIAL ISSUE, BUT, ONE WHICH IS BASED ON THE DIFFERENCES IN HOW NEGRO COUPLES AND CAUCASIAN COUPLES HANDLE AN ARGUMENT.

    • Jamie

      That’s Telling like it is
      the real shame rest on the tribal traditions
      they have formed is just a dead end of Family.

      • JUKEBOX

        If you want real statistics, research Black on Black murders, compared to other groups in a city like Memphis.

    • http://att.net Mary

      Child is expensive. Two parents have responsibilities for their child. I don’t want to pay taxes for someone’s children. The world already overpopulated, now with more than 7 billion people.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So what you are saying is that though Belcher knew how to control a football but he couldn’t control that piece of flesh dangling in the groin area.When the blood flow increased in that area it cut off the blood supply to the brain.

    • plumjam57

      Like I said you can’t fix stupid and you are making your self look and sound more stupid. From the way you talk I see why they have gun control. lol…

    • Karolyn

      Oh, please, Chris, “tricked” into fatherhood. He was just a poor old country boy that didn’t know what he was doing, right? He had no responsibility for his actions, right? Ignorant black AND while women have a tendency to believe that having his child will keep a man, and they do it over and over.

      • Karolyn

        “white” not “while.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,”

        FIRST – AS ALWAYS, IT IS NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU, MA’AM.

        NOW – “Karolyn,” MA’AM, YOUR COMMENTS INDICATE A RESPONSE TO MY COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD AND THE “Females in Military Service” THREAD.

        “Karolyn,” THERE ARE A LOT OF MALES WHO HAVE SEX BECAUSE IT IS A FUN THING TO DO; THEN, SOME TIME LATER FIND OUT THE “CHICK” IS PREGNANT. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE IN THE Belcher Story.

        MALES AND FEMALES WILL NEVER ADMIT SEX IS THE WAY TO SOLIDIFY A RELATIONSHIP. SINCE FEMALES WERE TAUGHT TO VALUE THEIR BODIES, WHEN THEY HAVE SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE THEY WANT THEIR BOYFRIEND TO BE A PERSON WHO IS “WORTHWHILE,” FINANCIALLY-SPEAKING. ON THE OTHER HAND, BECAUSE YOUNG MALES ARE TIRED OF FREQUENT MASTURBATION, THEY [THE 18-25 CROWD] WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH AS MANY “CHICKS” AS POSSIBLE.

        NOW, “Karolyn,” WHEN YOU “THROW” MONEY “INTO THE MIX,” THAT 18-25 YEAR OLD MALE THINKS “IT’S A NEVER-ENDING PARTY.” Jovan Belcher ONLY WANTED “TO PARTY.”

    • Chris Martin

      You do realize your caps lock is on, right?

  • Harold Olsen

    Yeah, blame the gun. Next thing you know is that some drunk who runs down a pedestrian and kills him will use the defense, “I didn’t kill him. My car did.” The liberal mentality is that it’s never their fault. They take responsibility for nothing they do, but love to take credit for things they had nothing to do with.

    • eddie47d

      Reckless gun deaths are a common problem and some are just a fact of life yet the Conservatives always come out clueless. They brush it off like someone just died from a case of pneumonia and its no big deal. You can go after Liberals all you want but they are not the ones encouraging every American to own a weapon for pleasure. Its Conservatives who continually fight background checks and encourage gun sales from the trunk of a car. Then they sit back and watch the carnage. Conservatives think they have some moral high ground all the while they keep feeding the fires of fear. Yes Conservatives seldom take responsibility for setting the detonator either.

      • czman75

        And your point is…?

      • SammysDad

        Guns will always be available. It has been said before, “If guns are banned, only criminals will have guns.” It’s the mentality of the gun holder, folks. If he didn’t have access to the gun, some other weapon would suffice. You anti-gun people have severe tunnel vision when it comes to this issue. I carry a gun to protect my family and myself from those whose inadequate capabilities are not enough to withhold their violent mentality. Just think about it. Did Belcher actually think? No, he reacted with no mental ability to curb his violent instincts for which he was paid handsomely on the gridiron.

      • eddie47d

        CZman75: That Conservatives are never as responsible or anywhere close to being responsible as what they think. Leave the smoke and mirrors at the rock concerts for its getting mighty thick in here.

      • DFayette

        eddie47d == Clueless liberal attempting to defer blame with a totally illogical statement.

      • Average Joe

        eddie47d ,

        While having an active immagination can be a good thing, having n overactive imagination can be detremental to one’s health. Please seek professional help for your delusions.

        AJ

      • DaveH

        Annual Deaths in 2007 by guns (non-suicide) — 13,872.
        Annual Deaths in 2007 by automobiles — 41,059.

        Maybe that number could be reduced if we weren’t letting Unionists build our cars, Eddie.
        (I’m being facetious of course, unlike Eddie).

      • Bob

        Though not reported on the Lame Stream Media, death by suicide has just passed death by automobile accident.
        Maybe they did not report it because the bad economy may have something to do with it and it might have been associated with the Kenyan running for president at the time.

      • CZ52

        czman75, eddies point is guns are bad and should have ever greater restrictions put on them until they are no longer available to the private citizen.

      • Average Joe

        DaveH ,

        Sometimesa, I am not sure whether eddie is wrapped too tight…or not wrapped tight enough. Either way, there definately seems to be a short…somewhere between the Keyboard and the Seat…… ;)

        AJ

      • Average Joe

        eddie says:
        “Reckless gun deaths are a common problem ”
        Are you referring to accidental shootings?
        People who aren’t knowlegable about firearms should not pick up firearms, thereby eliminating a good number of “reckless” shootings. Anyone that owns or plans to own a weapon of ANY kind, should be knowledgable about the safe use and handling of that weapon…or, they should not own it.

        “You can go after Liberals all you want but they are not the ones encouraging every American to own a weapon for pleasure”

        Nobody went after liberals…I believe what was said…was…liberal “mentality”.
        As for “encouraging every American to own a weapon for pleasure”, that is simply not true. We encourage people to own guns for thier own protection and that of thier families. We encourage people that own guns to be responsible in the safe handling. W also encourage people that own guns to head out to the range with thier families, so that everyone in the family knows how to handle firearms in a safe responsible manner… We believe that the more you use ANY tool…the more proficient you become with that tool…..That is what we encourage.

        “Its Conservatives who continually fight background checks and encourage gun sales from the trunk of a car. ”

        Wrong, we have no problem with background checks at all. We certainly don’t want want convicted, violent felons to be able to buy firearms, nor do we want firearms in the hands of mentally incompetent individuals….to even suggest that is insane. We do not encourage buying “from the trunk of a car” as you suggest, but rather we tend to buy our arms from reputable dealers. I just had a background check done again, last week… I just bought another new pea shooter and plan to hit the range next weekend.

        I realize that I have just wasted my time trying to change you views, eddie, but it was worth a shot to make you understand that it is not the gun that we need to fear…it is the gun owner. I have been around firearms since I was a kid (I’m 56) and I have yet to shoot anyone (including myself). My firearms are not a danger nor a threat to anyone….unless someone threatens Me or my Family…then may God have mercy on thier souls…because I won’t.

        AJ

      • eddie47d

        I think you are the one that needs to seek help Average Joe. After Columbine it was gun owners/Conservatives who were adamant that their would be no background checks,period. So you are only making a feel good statement and not true at all. .

      • JeffH

        One thing is for sure, eddie is consistant, albeit igorantly consistant. Like a child does, eddie answers the attack on liberals with an attack on conservatives…very adult of him.
        Tomorrow that attack could be aimed at libertarians, Republicans or even PLD and their staff because eddie was offended by a comment aimed at liberals, progressives, commies, Obama, his Administration or even the Democrats.

        Never mind that eddie has always been anti-2nd Amendment and pro-gun confiscation…that’s been a constant for years now.
        He’ll try to cover his arse with generalities and preceding an anti-gun comment with “I support the 2nd. Amendment” but…there should be more gun laws to protect the unarmed.

        In eddie’s little world, 2 wrongs will always equal right, especially in the heat of an emotional moment…which seems to be the basis for most of his rediculous and childish comments.

      • Karolyn

        Could suicides be up because of veterans of the mideast doing theselves in/

      • Average Joe

        Karolyn,

        Considering the fact that our troops are doing longer tours as well as multiple tours in combat zones, I would say that there is a very good possibilty that you are correct.
        When soldiers are subjected to this kind of combat action for long periods of time, they become desensitized to death and dismemberment…they see it everyday from the enemy and from thier brothers in arms.
        Once a person becomes desensitized to death, they can’t possibly look at life the same way again..those images are permenently etched in thier psyche. Many people can’t live with what they’ve had do at the behest of thier government. For those people, suicide seems to be the only way to find peace and reconcile thier grievances with thier actions.
        It is a shame that these men and women have to be put through this kind of thing.

        Wouldn’t it be nice if our polititians started a war…and nobody showed up?
        Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone told the polititians that if they want a war…go fight it themselves?

        AJ

      • Karolyn

        Amen, Joe. I cannot imagine what it must be like for them. I can see the desensitizing in my friend’s son, who is a lifer, was in Iraq, Bosnia and Afghanistan. He has become quite a crude and tough person. It’s amazing he has managed to keep his beautiful wife.

      • Average Joe

        eddie47d,
        Psssst…eddie, I am a conservative, gun owner…do you have reading comprehension problems?…oh wait never mind…I’m talking to eddie….what was I thinking??

        AJ

      • greg smith

        Eddie, you are absolutely right. Conservatives DO encourage everyone to own a gun. It’s the liberals who create the conditions in society that REQUIRE everyone to own a gun to defend themselves.

      • larry ryan

        There’s a quandry here about guns I’d like to mention. I don’t have the answer(s). Maybe someone smarter does. It certainly isn’t the idiot liberal idea of ban all guns and let the oh so trustworthy government have all weapons.
        Anyone has the right to own and carry a gun according to the second ammendment. I and most members of my family own many guns. But there’s the question of responsibility. I don’t want to see another bloated bureacracy, but guns are dangerous in the hands of fools. What’s gun fool? Someone who considers a gun a toy. Who has no clue about proper gun safety. Someone who gets their idea of shooting from movies. Point the gun in the general direction of your target and empty it. Mention precision firing to them and get a blank look.
        To own guns is a responsibilty. A basic knowledge of gun safety and the ability to hit reasonably close to your target should be minimum requirements for gun ownership. But short of a DMV style horrible bureacracy, I’ve no idea how to accomplish that.

    • Daveh234

      Some Sports Announcer says something and you find a way to relate it to an entire party and put those comments on others. Not logical. Attack the person who said the words. They are responsible for what was said. No one else has brought it up.
      That’s all it is. Anything else when you try to expand from that is idiocy on your part and should I lump you with all the other of your ilk?
      Not really.

      • DaveH

        All one needs to do is compare those Representatives with the highest pro-gun rankings to those with the lowest pro-gun rankings to see which group, Democrats or Republicans, is traditionally the most anti-gun:
        http://gunowners.org/113hrat.htm

      • DaveH

        List of Representatives (Republicans in roman, Democrats in italics):
        http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/olmbr.aspx

      • DaveH

        So let’s take, for example, the top 20 Representatives as listed alphabetically:
        Representative Political Party GunOwners’ Ranking
        Ackerman, Gary L. Democrat F-
        Adams, Sandy Republican A
        Aderholt, Robert B. Republican A
        Akin, W. Todd Republican A
        Alexander, Rodney Republican A
        Altmire, Jason Democrat C
        Amash, Justin Republican A
        Amodei, Mark E. Republican A
        Andrews, Robert E. Democrat F
        Austria, Steve Republican A
        Baca, Joe Democrat D
        Bachmann, Michele Republican A
        Bachus, Spencer Republican A
        Baldwin, Tammy Democrat F
        Barber, Ron Democrat NR
        Barletta, Lou Republican A
        Barrow, John Democrat B
        Bartlett, Roscoe G. Republican A+
        Barton, Joe Republican A
        Bass, Charles F. Republican B

      • Karolyn

        Very good point Dave, but isn’t that the job of a political blogger? – Stir the pot?

    • Mike

      are you saying that al gore “didnt invent the internet?”

      • Paul Wells

        No…but rumor has it he might have had something to do with massive CO2 buildups in our atmosphere…oddly, now that he has quit talking, the levels ARE going down! :)

  • Vicki

    To constantly blame an inanimate object is not unusual. Many of the same people continue to blame President Bush for obama’s little foibles.

    • eddie47d

      Oh Vickie; Republicans and Conservatives blamed Obama for Bush’s mistakes before he was even sworn in and it hasn’t ceased since. Nice of you to play the left/right paradigm so I thought I’d join in. None are so blind as those that can’t see!

      • Warrior

        Edda, there’s all sorts of blame to go around. Problem is, there appears to be NO GROWN UPS to take any RESPONSIBILTY!

      • To Tell The Truth

        Yeah, eddie47d, your messiah Obozo is blameless, having been perfect in everything and with everyone. Take your own advise and open your eyes to the most corrupt administration in modern history, right behind LB J.

      • Mike

        Yes eddie and you are totally blind

      • momo

        Nah, eddie is not blind, he’s too busy signing petitions.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Difference being eddie, was that when Bush took over Clintons major recession , with an impaired military and an intelligence agency cut in half, he never once stood there in the public square pointing fingers saying “Look what Billy did”, or wah, wah, we are in such a mess because of Hill and Billy. No, he went to work and made good. Now, Obama is still blaming Bush. Funny how within two years Bush tooks Clinton major recession, and had the economy rolling, not with no false .com bubble that wasnt real like Clinton cajolled around, yet Obama has failed at every turn, and still blames others. And sadly, I am ashamed that there are that many stupid people in this country that would see to it to buy into the lie and reward his bad 4 years, with 4 more. I guess these foreign countries are started to be proven right, we Americans are stupid. We proved it again in 2012.

      • DaveH

        Momo,
        Eddie’s physician told him that if he didn’t quit signing petitions he would eventually go blind.
        Eddie told the physician that he would just keep signing them until he needed glasses.

      • JeffH

        momo, LMAO! Let’s see now 52,560 + 308 = 52,868 from a few days ago and I’m sure he’s signed at least 500+ since then…I think he’s well above the 2 year average of 72 a day he claimed the other day. Go figure!

      • larry ryan

        If you’re blind, you can’t see. The proper phrase is “None so blind as those who WILL NOT see.” Not actual blindness, willful blindness.

    • Daveh234

      To Tell The Truth has no idea what administration is or was the most corrupt. We won’t even see most paperwork for almost 20 years after the Bush administration to hear and see what really went down. The truth is he doesn’t like this admin. that’s your prerogative.
      I don’t look through rose colored glasses and realize that there are usually good and bad things that go down. What you think is good and others think is good may not be similar. So argue all you want None will be the “Most Corrupt” but there will be levels deemed corrupt and depending on how you lean or objectify things what’s left isyour opinion. I don’t care for your opinion, too much.

      • eddie47d

        Nowhere did I say Obama was perfect far from it so To Tell The Truth isn’t being very TRUTHFUL!

      • DaveH

        Are you plastered again, Eddie? Dave234 wasn’t addressing you.

      • OneGuess

        Ah, eddie. A bit too close to home? “The hit dog always howls.”

      • eddie47d

        Who was addressing you hypocrite Dave H?

    • eddie47d

      I may be partially blind but then that would make Vickie totally blind.

      • DaveH

        Vicki’s eyes are wide open, Eddie. Yours are purposely shut tight.

      • Paul Wells

        …and haven’t seen light in so many years, he’s forgotten what it looks like!

      • Average Joe

        eddie’s problem is that he keeps looking out of the same window…and therefore, can’t see any other view the one he has. Kind of like starring at a painting…you’ld think that it would get boring after a while…….

        AJ

      • eddie47d

        Nope Average Joe I went to the eye doctor last week and I’m good to go for another year. Even my windows are clean…my wife did that. Yes MOMO I’ll be able to sign all those Petitions even better now. LOL!

      • Average Joe

        I love analogies, I love the whooshing sound they make… as they sail past eddie’s head…

        AJ

      • greg smith

        eddie, you’re not blind, you have your head so far up inside your ass you will NEVER see daylight. … or reason, or the truth. Obviously, logic is something totally foreign to both your brain cells.

    • Vigilant

      Vicki, am I the only one to catch your humor? Calling Bush an inanimate object is genuinely funny!

      • Vicki

        Thanks :) I’m glad some people caught that. Calling him shrub seemed undignified :):)

    • Vicki

      eddie47d demonstrates a common reading problem by saying:
      “Nice of you to play the left/right paradigm so I thought I’d join in. None are so blind as those that can’t see!”

      What I said was:
      “To constantly blame an inanimate object is not unusual. Many of the same people continue to blame President Bush for obama’s little foibles.”

      No where did I mention any left/right paradigm. I did mention 2 liberals by name but that hardly supports a left/right paradigm. Inferring your own bias into what I say is a common reading problem.

      And yes I have it too. I work constantly to avoid it by re reading what others say. Sometimes I am successful.

      For those who are newer here the political paradigm that is the one I most agree with is shown quite effectively in this youTube video.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • Vicki

        The above was posted slightly out of place. Sorry Eddie.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, I thought your first post was perfectly clear and actually humorous…and accurate. :)

      • Vicki

        :)

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You called O an inanimate object as well but I am having a hard time picturing what it could be.

      • momo

        A POS in a suit.

  • Warrior

    If the “rich” would just pay their “fair share” all of our “problems” will go away. Well, that’s what my “leader” says? Forward!

    • LarryG

      I think you’re on to something…………….

    • eddie47d

      You just answered your own question Warrior. When will the wealthy take responsibility for the enormous problems they caused with the economic collapse! We’re still waiting!

      • johnny

        The rich provide jobs,no poor person ever hired me,are you smoking obamas crack again?

      • eddie47d

        Why do the “rich” think they can get away with scamming you Johnny. Because of suckers like you who bow down to them and allow them to get away such things as mortgage and credit card manipulations. Sure there are good companies out there but don’t be such a patsy for the crooked ones.

      • Hedgehog

        Eddie, be careful what you wish for. Conspiracy theorists say that the rich are working on the problem. Last I heard they plan to reduce the world population to 2 billion or less. All wealthy, or in their opinion useful. Are you rich or useful Eddie? O’dogma is!

      • DaveH

        How did the wealthy cause the collapse, Eddie?

      • OneGuess

        Oh, eddie! Your drain bammage is showing again.

      • Vicki

        DaveH writes:
        “DaveH says:
        “How did the wealthy cause the collapse, Eddie?”

        More importantly WHY would the wealthy want to cause a collapse?

      • eddie47d

        Well when the greedy get Greedy they have a tendency to use other peoples money such as those on Wall Street. They over leveraged and over sold here and abroad thus causing the collaspe.

      • Karolyn

        johnny – So because the rich provide jobs, they can just do whatever they want. BTW, where are all those jobs they’re supposed to have created since the tax cuts occurred? And, believe me, I am not envious of their money. If all that much money makes one like so many of them, I will not have it. The richer they get, the greedier and stingier they get.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “So because the rich provide jobs, they can just do whatever they want.”

        Of course not. They aren’t government agents nor the TSA.

        Karolyn: ” BTW, where are all those jobs they’re supposed to have created since the tax cuts occurred? ”

        Destroyed when the democrat created housing bubble exploded in 2008.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzWrnUezDOU

      • Average Joe

        “Well when the greedy get Greedy they have a tendency to use other peoples money such as those on Wall Street. They over leveraged and over sold here and abroad thus causing the collaspe.”

        Why yes they did eddie, and as such they should have been allowed to fail….but who came to thier rescue? Who bailed them out? Who allowed them to do the things they were doing …in the first place?…the last 3 congresses did…so who is to blame? All of these people should have been prosecuted…but none were….and who’s fault might that be? Could it be those very same mebers of congress? Just a heads up for you eddie, when I say congress…I mean both parties..Republicans and Democrats ( I know, that’s a hard concept for you to follow).
        You keep blaming the wealthy….when you should be blaming your representatives in congress…they allowed it to happen…and then they took our money to bail the thieves out…..and everybody in DC and Wall St. went home happy…at our expense….
        None of these things could have happened….if Congress didn’t allow it to happen…period.

        AJ

    • nickkin

      Your leader also says that you should jump off the cliff. forward ho !

  • Jerry

    What if he used a Rock? ??????

    • Motov

      Blame the inanimate objects, sure then ban those pesky rocks, baseball bats, common tools, cars, everything from now on will be made by nerf. LOL

      Every right we have carries a responsibility, failure of maintaining responsibility leads to problems, and sometimes death.

      • Vicki

        Let’s blame an animate object for a change. The human who picked up the tool and used it to maim or murder a fellow human.

        Nah. To scary to actually take responsibility for choices.

    • JUKEBOX

      According to the Bible, Cain used a rock to kill Abel, and I know of no law in history that requires registration of your rock, or any law banning the sale of rocks. Even violent protesters in Communist countries are allowed to possess rocks.

      • http://www.facebook.com/vaden.chandler Vaden Chandler

        Yeah that’s true. Cain did kill Abel with a rock. My father was renting one of his houses out to a Hispanic man once, and I guess he was drinking with another man or something and he ended up getting bludgeoned to death with a concrete slab. So I guess we need to register concrete slabs as well (sarcasm).

  • Steven Grumman

    Sadly, gun laws are so lax that this man was able to acquire a weapon. The very fact that this man was a substance abuser should have been sufficient to have denied him legal acquisition of any type of firearm.
    True, the gun didn’t do it. True, a substance abuser did it. But also true, lax laws and easy access to firearms committed the murder.

    • Warrior

      Did you see the story about the poor man in NYC that was pushed off the platform in front of a subway train? Of course, he died too Boy oh boy, does NBC & the UN have alot of work ahead of them Maybe it’s time to increase gubmint owned gambling. It’s ALL for the children ya know!

      • LarryG

        The train did it!

    • rendarsmith

      So you’re saying that if this guy didn’t own the gun these murders would not have happened?

      • eddie47d

        That’s a real possibility considering that a gun is so much quicker and easier . Why waist time with a knife and just go for the clean and simple kill .

      • JUKEBOX

        Try your reasoning on Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman, Eddie.

      • CZ52

        Or on the double murder/suicide by knife that just occured in Wyoming(?).

      • eddie47d

        One was an arrow to the head but still an awful lot of irresponsibility going on in all these cases.

      • JeffH

        JUKEBOX, BINGO…!

      • CZ52

        eddie the guy did not kill his father with an arrow to the head. True he shot him in the head with an arrow but he killed him with a knife when the arrow to the head angered his father enough to attack him in self defence.

    • http://gekruckeberg.com gekruckeberg

      Read the Gun Control Act of 1968. We already have a law on the books prohibiting gun sales to drug addicts and the mentally disabled. This is a prime demonstration of the futility of gun laws.
      gekruckeberg.com.

      • eddie47d

        What a joke. Then why aren’t they being followed through. Would the NRA have anything to do with weakening the laws so more folks can be on their side. Now you would never think that even when its a real possibility.

      • DaveH

        No, Eddie, the Joke is Ignorant Liberal Progressives like yourself who have no clue what is reality and what isn’t.
        More Guns, Less Crime:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ8L7nqL1rs&feature=related

      • DaveH
    • Gary L.

      Steve, If Belcher wanted a gun he could have gotten one even if there were no gun shops to sell them. There are always gonna be guns available to those that should not have them. Why can’t people understand that if someone is willing to commit any number of crimes, including murder, they will break any law to get the gun they want.

      • http://grose129@yahoo.com gary rose

        THE GUY MAYBE ON DRUGS MAYBE WHO KNOWS BUT WE NO WHO FILLS UP AMERICAS JAILS AND PRISON ALSO WELFARE ROLLS THINK ABOUT IT PLEASE?

      • Motov

        Are you suggesting these welfare people have too much idle time on their hands?
        And if they were employed they’d be too tired to run around in the streets robbing,
        and killing people?
        And having a job would help solve their money problems?
        Why did OhBozo relaxed Welfare? or undo what Bill Clinton did to welfare?

    • Steve E

      Anyone can get a gun if they want to.

    • DaveH

      Steven says — “Sadly, gun laws are so lax that this man was able to acquire a weapon”.
      Sadly, knife laws are so lax that this man could have killed her with a knife.
      Sadly, axe laws are so lax that this man could have killed her with an axe.
      Sadly, hammer laws are so lax that this man could have killed her with a hammer.
      Sadly, necktie laws are so lax that this man could have killed her with a necktie.

      For the reader to fill in:
      Sadly, ______ laws are so lax that this man could have killed her with a ______.

    • Vicki

      Steven Grumman says:
      “True, the gun didn’t do it. True, a substance abuser did it. But also true, lax laws and easy access to firearms committed the murder.”

      I think this type of thinking is called rationalization. Using it a person tries to make an invalid point by blaming a chain of possibly related events with the action.

      A human male (from the story/picture) committed the murder. That’s it. The cause is the human. The tool was a pistol. The reason is mostly irrelevant since the human isn’t around to prosecute.

      Now should we want to try and fix blame we can look beyond that and blame a lot of things. We can blame God for giving us free will. We can blame Cain. We can blame his parents. We can blame whomever got the 2 together. We can blame whoever grew the raw ingredients for the drugs used by the substance abuser.

      I bet if we work at it we could even blame President Bush :)

      • JeffH

        Vicki, you’re on a roll today! Yer killin’ me… :)

      • phideaux

        Steven Grumman eddie and others imply if not say outright that he had just purchsed the handgun possibly with the intent of using it to kill her. He had owned the pistol for over one year according to an updated article I saw in USA Today.

      • Vicki

        ” He had owned the pistol for over one year according to an updated article I saw in USA Today.”

        Liberals will just tell us he was stalking his prey.

      • larry ryan

        The one person we absolutely cannot blame is Obama. Just ask him. He’s absolutely, under no circumstances ever to blame for anything.

  • LarryG

    The gun didn’t kill Ms. Perkins any more than the brush painted the Sistine Chapel.

    • rendarsmith

      He he he love the analogy!

    • Warrior

      I wonder if Belcher was a closet Tea Partier? His actions, as some would suggest, certainly fit the profile. FORWARD!

      • Steve E

        Odds are he voted for Obama. One less Obama voter.

      • JeffH

        Warrior, that’s rediculous…he was black and therefor unacceptable to join up with the old white racists that are the core of the Tea Party Taliban. Well, that’s what the liberal progressives and the MSM keep sayin’ they are.

      • Steve E

        And here’s JeffH the racist again.

      • JeffH

        Steve E, please point out where I have ever been racist?
        It was “sarcasm”, not racism!

      • Steve E

        Sorry Jeff Everything’s cool.

      • JeffH

        :)

      • larry ryan

        Actually there are blacks in the tea party movement. But they’re all Uncle Toms and Aunt Jemimas. Just ask any liberal.

  • http://None David R. Nemirow

    So many people claim that guns are the problem, but here is what I would like to see. The NRA Magazine cites instances, (Many of them) where law abiding citizens have saved their own lives or the lives of others. The media should present as many stories about when guns are beneficial, but they will never do it because it would work against the narative they want that guns “Have to go”. In the local paper just a couple of years ago there was a story of an armed home invader shot and killed while in the act of commiting the crime. Had the home owner not been armed he would have been a murder victim. Disarm the American population as some in Congress would like, and this nation will quickly cease to exist.

    • eddie47d

      Isn’t it amazing how the right always goes straight for the fear mongering threat they will lose the right to own a gun. The Second Amendment protects that right yet you all run around pretending it will be ripped from the Constitution. Every citizen has a right to protect themselves,period. Yet not every American is qualified to own or possess a gun. Responsible ownership is of the utmost importance yet the right becomes paranoid when restrictions are placed on those who are not qualified. The pro gun folks have truck loads of excuses to allow just about anyone to own a weapon so stop kidding yourself.

      • momo

        I wonder why we’re afraid of the second amendment going by the wayside? Mainly beacuse the fourth amendment has gone out the window, thanks to the Patriot Act. Scaring Americans into giving up their constitutional rights is a favorite trick of big government. Having Bob Costas pontificate about how guns threaten our liberty rather than protect it is pure rubbish, he should stick to sports. If I wanted political commentary I’d watch MSNBC or Fox.

        This isn’t just about guns, its about constitutional rights, rights that are easliy jeapordized by the fear mongers. Look how we got the Patriot Act, the fear after 9/11 took hold and the fourth amendment goes out the window. And if it wasn’t for an impassioned speech on the floor of the Senate by Rand Paul the sixth amendment would be gone too. Your first amendment rights have been reduced by HR 347, sorry you can’t protest on government property anymore.

        Conservative nut jobs want to keep everybody locked up without the right to a speedy trial, liberal nut jobs want everybody disarmed, too bad the bad guys won’t go along. Thje dunm a$$ mayor of New York is tellin his residents you can’t have a big gulp soda. The question is where will it end?

      • Larry K.

        I WOULD LOVE TO SEE EACH AND EVERYONE WHO ARE AGAINST GUNS CARRY A SIGN THAT SAYS GUN FREE PERSON. HOW ABOUT IT YOU GUN HATERS?

      • JUKEBOX

        If the Perkins lady had a 50 cal. handgun to defend herself, there might only be one dead.

      • DaveH

        Eddie has proved, time and time again with his ignorant comments, that we shouldn’t allow him to possess the deadliest instrument of them all — a Car.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “The Second Amendment protects that right yet you all run around pretending it will be ripped from the Constitution. Every citizen has a right to protect themselves,period. Yet not every American is qualified to own or possess a gun.”

        Fascinating. Eddie claims a right exists and it is protected by the Constitution and even describes the right AND the part of the Constitution that explicitly protects the best tools for exercising that right. AND then says some people can’t possess the best tools for that right.

        Eddie also uses citizen and American in ways that could imply they are not equal. Interesting to note that the Constitution doesn’t mention citizens nor Americans.

        It says “…the right of THE PEOPLE….”

        And it does not say anything at all about qualifications.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Isn’t it amazing how the right always goes straight for the fear mongering threat they will lose the right to own a gun. ”

        Isn’t it amazing how eddie keeps up only with certain current events.
        http://www.infowars.com/sen-schumer-inaugurated-latest-anti-gun-frenzy-when-he-moved-to-take-firearms-from-veterans/

      • eddie47d

        So now Vickie doesn’t think a person has to be qualified! What a rip! Neither is a doctors qualifications in the Constitution either but I bet you would expect it if you were operated on. Should we allow blind people to drive and you can be the passenger . We can all be ridiculous and that includes you. This whole article is fear mongering but some of you will never get it.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “This whole article is fear mongering but some of you will never get it”

        Since the gun-grabber fanaticism is entirely based on fear mongering I fail to see how you can cast the first stones.

      • greg smith

        Sorry Eddie, and this will be the last response to you. You post the most ignorant writings
        in the history of the keyboard. You should try to learn some facts before you go about convincing the world how little actual thinking you do. One of the things my daddy taught me was too never argue with an ignorant man. It’s just a waste of time. I suggest everyone else adopt the same attitude. Ignore the Ignorant.

    • Steve E

      The British had a gun problem with Americans when the Revolution was going on.

      • JC

        hahahaha…True that!

  • konatrice

    The mindset that accuses any weapon of a crime instead of the person is the same as not holding the current administration accountable for their actions. No personal responsibility. ” It’s not my fault!”

  • http://gekruckeberg.com gekruckeberg

    Murder didn’t exist before guns were invented? Guns just make it easier for us to protect ourselves from people with knives or baseball bats — or other guns. The tragedy here is that Perkins didn’t hsave a gun.
    gekruckeberg.com.

    • Daryl

      People need to look back in history and they will see how many times a sword, rocks, spears and arrows were used to kill people and this was before guns but these weapons weren’t banned. The people in most cases were abolished. So today that a crime is done with a gun and it is the gun? How ignorant people are and it shows how people are moving to blame something that can’t defend itself to cover up their lack of responsibility.

  • http://frontier/yahoo keith

    The gun did not do it the distraught person behind did, Guns do not go off by themselves.Someone must pull the trigger so al you Anti gun fools out there including Bob Costa should think before you open your mouths

  • Bob

    Can someone please tell me the type of gun O.J. used?

    • Pearline Brown

      We need to be focussing on the Victims and ways to get better laws set in place to protect them and their families. 2. We longer prison sentences for those criminals that commit heinous crimes and it doesn’t matter if it was committed by Guns, Knives, Hands on, Etc. We have a tendency to humanize criminals and their behaviors and dehumanize the Victims of Crimes committed by these evil doers

      • Vicki

        How about we start by letting all potential victims carry the best tool for self, family, community defense. That one little focus change will solve most of the other problems you mention needing to be addressed.

        http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

      • Karolyn

        How about educating kids at a young age that you don’t hurt other people. Having worked in the DV arena for 2 years, I’ve seen the havoc wreaked by domestic violence and seen the guys who get away with it time after time. Also heard of cops telling a woman raped and beaten by her husband: “You should have just given him the bj.” Domestic violence is a terrible epidemic in this country, especially in my state which is #2 in women killed by men.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “How about educating kids at a young age that you don’t hurt other people.”

        Good idea. That is how I was taught. How about you? And we should teach them the proper use of tools.

      • Karolyn

        Vicki – The problem is that children from abusive homes carry on the cycle. Good teachers and good programs at school might be able to change that. It is happening in a limited amount but not enough. The agency I used to work for had a program for kids in grammar school that worked in a primary way on interpersonal relationships. Unfortunately, I think funding has run out. It always comes down to money, when, in truth, spending the money now will save it in the long run. I believe education is the cure for all of society’sills.

      • Karolyn

        Potential victims are just that – victims. That is their mentality. They bear it due to “love” and/or fear – fear of being alone, fear of lack of financial support, fear of retribution, etc. Many are not the type to even think about fighting back, let alone using a gun. They know what they have lived with their whole lives. To them a woman takes whatever the man dishes out because that’s what mama did, and “He really does love me. I just say (or do) the wrong things andmake him mad.”

    • Rob

      It was a zero cal., or was it a zero mm?

    • OneGuess

      It was the well known knife gun.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stewart.mitchell.16 Stewart Mitchell

    sounds more like a prozac event to me .

  • mark

    ON LIST OF THINGS THAT KILL PEOPLE, GUNS ARE WAY DOWN ON THAT LIST, GUNS ARE NOT EVEN ON THE TOP 100. HERE ARE THE TOP THREE.

    ALCOHOL DEATH’S = 238,000 PER YEAR.
    CAR ACCIDENTS DEATH’S = 97,640. PER YEAR
    PHARMA DRUG DEATH’S = 49,440 PER YEAR.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    ..
    . GUNS= 684 A YEAR, 280 BY CRIMINALS, 12 ACCIDENTS, THE REST BY PROPERTY AND LIFE PROTECTION.

    FBI.COM STATS 2010.

    YOU HAVE A 800 TO 1 ODD’S OF BEING KILLED BY YOUR OWN DOCTOR, THEN BY A GUN.

  • Pearline Brown

    This is a idiot talking about the Gun did it. Guns doesn’t pull their own triggers, knives don’t just jump up and start cutting on someone or something, a person’s hands, etc doesn’t just decide to take off and start attacking someone or something. The blame lies solely on Mr. Belcher who chose to take the cowardly way out, kill himself and save the taxpayers and attorneys the trouble and embrassment of a trial. The one who murdered my daughter didn;t have the guts. It’s time Society stop making excuses for the people who commit such stupid heinous criminal acts, and it doesn’t matter whether they have the balls to take their own lives or not. The person who commits the crime is the subject and the object to blame for their own down fault

  • http://Yahoo.com Cessna

    I’d rather be shot and killed instantly than being stabbed or being hit with a hatchet.
    Not an article on the killing in Casper Wyo using a knife and then a bow and arrow hit the liberal media

    • eddie47d

      That was headline news for at least 3 days Cessna so where have you been. Oh Yes blame the Liberal Media. Doesn’t anyone want to take on the choice words that were used in the article that this “Chiefs” incident was a “RAMPAGE”. There was no rampage so was that used to enhance the story and to inflame the mind? I know there are football fans out there since it is America’s number one sport. Are you all satisfied with the wording that “violent people play it” and “football is a violent sport” Is that over the top or a true statement. Are we all spectators cheering on the gladiators hoping for a kill ? Now don’t be shy!

      • momo

        Gee eddie, you don’t think football is a violent sport? You don’t think coaches encourage violence? Then why was Sean Peyton suspended for a year? Why was Gregg Williams suspended indefinately by the NFL?

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “That was headline news for at least 3 days Cessna so where have you been”.
        Do you have any references to back that up, Eddie? You know you have no credibility on this board.

      • eddie47d

        Open up a newspaper occasionally Dave H. You must have missed it in Mises! Your credibility is the one lacking!

      • eddie47d

        I didn’t say football wasn’t a “violent” sport . Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t and apparently MOMO thinks it is. Now should it be banned or improved MOMO? There’s pee wee football too MOMO so are we raising future violent citizens?

      • JeffH

        Easy Dave, eddie’s tired of being called, although repeatedly proven, a liar.

  • http://personalliberty.com Bigg Ben

    Ignorance (or, more aptly, blind faith in liberal / progressive thought) is bliss, seems to be the order of the day. People have been killing people since the beginning of mankind and they didn’t need guns to do it. Think about it??? You are talking about a profession football player that has been involved in strength and conditioning for most of his life. He did not need a gun. He could have, and probably would have, used anything within arms reach to accomplish the desired task. A baseball bat, a fireplace poker, a lamp, a kitchen knife, his bare hands, or any number of a multitude of alternative devices. I think we need to remember NOT ONE GUN WAS USED ON 9-11-2001. Box cutters and airplanes were the tools of choice of individuals (terrorists) driven to perpetrate murderous acts. Guns are not necessary for someone to murder someone else.

    • eddie47d

      Yes that may be true but that is why we have extreme airport security to prevent someone from hijacking another airplane and causing death. Its called prevention yet the “ignorant” (your words) far right “thought” process says we can’t do that. They believe that airports should be wide open as they do with gun ownership. In other words life is a free for all and you have to take those chances. May they be the Last Man Standing in this game of life or so they think.

  • David

    While this event is tragic, to say the least, I don’t hear sports writer screaming for a ban on bows and arrow since the events at Casper College in WY. Or to ban knives went someone is knifed to death.

    • Motov

      That’s because those things are not protected by the second amendment.

      • Average Joe

        Actually, they are protected under the Second Amendment:

        “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms , shall not be infringed. ”

        Notice that it says: “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms” does not specify “guns” as being arms. Therefore, anything that can be used to protect one’s self can be considered “Arms” and is protected under the Constitution..

        AJ

      • Vicki

        One of the founders even explained for posterity what is meant by “arms” so that even a dumbed down populace could find a clue.

        “Who are these militia? [A]re they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. . . . [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

        - Tench Cox circa 1788
        http://www.madisonbrigade.com/library_bor_2nd_amendment.htm

      • Motov

        I stand corrected AJ,..BTW my “gun” shoots .67 paint balls,..lol

      • Average Joe

        Motov.
        I have a few of those myself .62 cal and .58… ( it’s been a long while since I’ve gone PBing tho). The .62 is an old Tippman that is full auto (10 rounds per second) The police used these as riot guns and shot rubber bullets. Now, I spend more time at the range…with 9mm and 7.62×39.

        AJ

      • Average Joe

        oops, I meant .62 and .68 cal. pn the PBs.

        AJ

    • eddie47d

      Maybe with the popularity of the Hungar Games,Revolution and a few other forms of entertainment maybe bows and arrows will be the “new” choice of inflicting harm on others. You all better stock up for this new adventure for gun slinging cowboy movies are old hat.

      • http://Yahoo.com Bill

        My first thought would be “Why doesn’t someone turn a gun on you” Since that’s in bad taste, maybe they could use a knife an cut your fingers off. Why in hell do you continue to post here. Are you reading these comments while you jerk off?

      • momo

        Bill says: “Are you reading these comments while you jerk off?”

        That would explain eddie47d’s blindness!

      • eddie47d

        My MY those old Conservative Religious myths never die!

      • Karolyn

        Bill, You must have gotten in just under the wire. Usually crude comments like yours are deleted by the moderator.

      • http://www.facebook.com/vaden.chandler Vaden Chandler

        Judging by the degree and regularity of his posts, I would say he is unemployed and living in his mother’s basement.

    • Daveh234

      Yeah, your right, let’s go yell at those stupid “Sports Journalist” they are the ones your pointing at right?
      It’s their comments and the media is repeating them? I only saw it hear but I don’t get or look at most papers these days.

  • Big Guy

    Beijing, March 23, 2012 PTI:
    In a macabre incident, a doctor with a history of mental illness on Tuesday broke into a primary school in east China and hacked to death eight children with a machete and left five others injured.
    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/59695/F
    Only the military has guns in Beijing, China, yet this guy found a way.
    Would they be shouting for Machete Control had Jovan Belcher hacked Kasandra Perkins to death with a Machete before thrusting the blade under his chin into his brain?
    11/09/2012 Queens landlord kills tenant with machete: A Jamaica landlord killed his tenant with a machete before turning the blade on himself Tuesday morning after the two had a long quarrel over the rent, police and neighbors said.
    http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2011/45/machetedeath_jt_2011_11_10_q.html
    Guns are not more than a tool. How many women are strangled with their panyhose or beaten to death by their spouse?
    Bring back the Gallows where criminals are hanged in view of the public and CNN coverage. Its ghastly and strikes fear in criminals.

  • AttilaTheHun

    Whitlock and Costas are obviously *racist*! They’ve assumed that a black man isn’t capable of controlling himself.

    • eddie47d

      They made no racist statements so maybe you should head back to the hills and continue your pillaging and plundering.

      • DaveH

        More nonsense from the board Troll.

      • OneGuess

        They didn’t need to “say” anything racist, everybody knows that. It is the fact that the perp was black that makes any comment “racist”. Thank you, eddie. Our very own pet troll.

      • eddie47d

        Hey Atilla has two new recruits for his campaign!

    • Charlie R

      You may want to leave Whitlock out of this because Costas didn’t quite represent Whitlock’s comments correctly. Whitlock has already rebutted Costa’s comments.

  • Ed

    I wonder how Bob Costa would feel or do in a life threatened situation to himself or a close member of his family? Would he try to talk his way out of the situation or hope that he had some means of protection. I respected him as a commentator but not on his comments on gun control that he surely has no knowledge of. Yes, the Belcher-Perkins situation is a tragedy; but before commenting on a tragedy and confusing viewers-do the research and find out all the facts leading up to the incident! In closing-i would challenge anyone to research the percentages on crimes committed by law-abiding gun owners and non!

  • Joe V

    This has NOTHING to do with race. There are just as many tragic stories with people of all ethnic backgrounds. (Although some of the self righteous right would have us think that the innocent lady was just another victim of black circumstance). Does anyone REALLY believe that there are fewer stupid shootings happening today than there were 20 years ago?

    The fact remains that there are often no background checks, mental health checks, and anyone can get an AK-47 if they really want one.

    Yeah, we all need one of those!

  • jopa

    This was just another day in America other than the fact he was a football player.Between 2000-2008 there were 86,112 deaths attributed to firearms, handguns, shotguns and rifles.Then there is the statistic on knives at 16,547 deaths.Do we take away the knives also? I Don’t think so.America I believe has a mental problem more than a gun problem.I was born and raised around guns and there intended use of hunting mainly and self defense was mainly the use of knuckles back in my day more than that of the the equalizer.Now that we have a few knuckleheads using firearms improperly there is no need to place restrictions and blame on all the citizens.Alcohol is actually a larger problem than guns in the USA today but not much happening there.

    • coal miner 1

      Good post.I agre with you,jopa.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      That averages out to 10764 deaths per year. With a rough estimation being that there are 100 million firearms owners who own 300 million firearms, that means that per year there is .001 percent of firearms owners who committed that killing of 10,764 people. Sound like a good reason to take those 300 million firearms away!

    • JeffH

      jopa, well said!

  • Louis Lemieux

    Guns do provide at times to the mentally deranged the occasion to hurt himself or others. If we leave our car keys inside our car we provide a thief a favorable circumstance to steal the car. He might still break in, jump start the car and steal it, but his chances of doing it are diminished. Same thing with a gun.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      You can’t break in and jump start my car. It will scream like hell!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thanks for a good belly laugh, Mark Are Reynolds.

  • http://Yahoo.com Bill

    Just like it’s in the governments DNA to continually take, it’s in the black mans DNA to know nothing but violence

    • http://midcontent brand inspector

      Look what the prison’s populations housed in its walls. For being 20% 0f general population, blacks are 67% of crowbar O’Hilton residences, the Latinos constitute the next biggest percentage. Out of the prison population no matter what race, the muslim pedophile worshipping is getting to be the major mindset.Common tthread is the tribal mental mind set of women are property, women and their offspring are to be used and abused at anytime. Guns, knives, sticks, or in a pinch, a rock will do, to injure or kill something if it irrates their pee brain. Our maddrass educated, marxist lover, go hand in hand with the dictator mind set, of Me Me power grab and total control. If needed, steal it for themselves.The other ingrained mental wiring is, if you have something I want, I will not work for it but steal it, one way or other, to possess it. Islamic mindset to convert to or die, which appeals to all * not ready for prime time) work for something, not give it to me, because I’m a victum.

      • Karolyn

        Did you ever take into consideration the socio-economic level of most of those in prison no matter what race or creed? Poverty=crime.

      • phideaux

        Karolyn the socio-economic level of a person does not excuse any criminal action that person commits.

      • phideaux

        I will make one exception to my comment above. If a person has children and they are starving because he/she has exausted ALL possibilities of getting food for them legaly then while it is still wrong he/she could be excused for stealing food for them.

    • Karolyn

      OMG! I won’t use the term “racist” because of its overuse. I’ll just say you’re a jerk. That’s probably in your DNA. (and DaveH, you don’t need to respond. I know I fell off the wagon. Sometimes I just can’t help it when confronted with pure ignorance.)

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Whoa! Lots of comments flooding in, and DaveH and JeffH aren’t even here yet. They will come in in the middle of the discussion and do their “closing” routine as I have alluded to on other threads.

    I find nothing to quarrel with in Bob’s article. Bob is spot on in what he says. Not being the avid “liberal” that many would label me, I both own guns and enjoy shooting them, and look at the arguments about gun control from a “balanced” viewpoint. Guns are a tool, as Bob says, nothing more. However, I would like to address Bob’s final sentence:

    “To blame the gun is the work of fools or people trying to protect their livelihood, or both.

    It’s that “protect their livelihood” part that gets my right brain spinning. I ask myself why Bob needs to sensationalize something on PLD that has already been overdone in the media. Then I think to myself “Isn’t the gun issue red meat for the far right?” Then I think, “Maybe Bob is stirring up the troops on this issue to up his visit count?” Then I think, “Doesn’t that mean more profit for Bob?”. Then I say “Good for Bob—not only protecting but expanding his ‘livelihood’—he is a symbol of the free market capitalist in all his glory”.

    Don’t think I’ll be back on this thread. I’ll wait for threads on abortion, the Bible, LGBT rights, redistribution, or AGW. I’m sure they will appear soon enough.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      OOOPS—-I forgot to mention that racism popped its ugly head up too—-that will get the hits up too. Bimbam, where are you?

      • http://midcontent brand inspector

        Racism is just for one race, blacks can walk down, move into any area, but whites don’t walk by themselves in most black hang outs, because of the hatredcof anything not of the thug mindset. Even Omoeon didn’t have problem trashing his grandparents who tppk care of his sorry rear. Notice Eric Holder didn’t hold his tribal brothers (Black Muslim Panthers) to the law, for voter intimadation. Bet a dime, to a hole under a dog’s tail, a person of any race, would have put on a white sheet, said nothing, would have been arrested or been killed by some crazed gun. Racist attutitudes prevail , even the socialist democrats and the idoit book train worthles puke in the WH.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Bimbam apparently is not coming but—-have no fear—-another racist crawls out from under the rock and takes up the slack.

        And guess what, I have personally gone into some “black hangouts” and have NEVER been molested. They’re called churches. Although you might find yourself unwelcome there, BI—one look at you and the folks there would know you’re not there to praise Jesus.

      • DaveH

        Wow. RBT almost managed to make a comment without ad hominem attacks.

      • eddie47d

        No he will leave that to you and the other high and mighty Dave H !

      • Karolyn

        I just can’t resist. Brand Inspector (sure hope you’re not inspecting my brands!) Ever think that maybe you’re the “idoit.” Where I live in the south is very racially mixed, more so than in NJ where I came from. I do not fear to go anywhere. But then again I wasn’t afraid to go anywhere in NJ either. Just a tough Jersey chick I guess. :-)

    • 45caliber

      Check those who insist that all guns must be banned, like Schumer, Feinstein, etc. In every case, they have their own guns and when confronted insist that the law will not affect them since they must have a gun for protection from the rest of us. What they are really saying is that only they are important enough to be allowed to protect themselves and that they don’t trust the rest of us with guns. I always wonder when I hear someone insist that all guns be banned what is it exactly that they want to force on the rest of us that they know would cause an uprising.

    • JeffH

      RBT’s obsession continues. That’ll blow a hole in your conpiracy theory right? OOPS, guess we’ll have to wait for your end of day final analysis…# of comments = percentage.

      FYI, did you know that there is a 3 hour difference between PST and EST? Just askin”.

  • Chris

    That’s why I interview every gun I buy before buying it. I don’t want any crazy ass guns at all. We only have same guns at all times the government probably should outlaw those crazy guns. Lol the only solution is this if people who don’t want guns or others to have them because they themselves are foolish they could be deported. Move to England or some other communist place besides America. We have the right to guns here always have if you don’t like it leave. I think we should outlaw people who don’t like guns or own them. New law says if you don’t like 2nd amendment or own guns then you should be deported as a communist. That would make as much sense as the people speaking out against my right to have them. If you don’t have one we will make a law that says your a communist and deport you after all we don’t want you here. Gun owners need same radical approach of those people trying to take our freedoms and turn it around. Either own a gun or leave or be deported or jailed for infringing my rights. After all if your infringing on my constitutional right your a law breaker if your attacking my constitution your illegally doing so. Police sworn as most government employed to protect the constitution. Those who are trying to tear it apart are in fact unconstitutional and criminals lets prosecute them. Lets make the penalty public hanging and I bet they will shut their dumb mouths then. They can have a silent gun burning and hide from us but we will find them. Lol

  • Steve in St. Louis

    Maybe the football players, and other persons, who are vulnerable to the after effects of traumatic brain injury should have special attention with respect to gun ownership.
    If they are violence prone, and having traumatic brain injury issues, then they should have special screening before they are allowed to possess a firearm, especially a handgun.
    Did Jovan Belcher have a permit for concealed carry? Had he undergone any specialized training.
    Perhaps this is a red flag for domestic violence, that people, primarily women, in abusive relationships need sanctuary, be it a shelter, church, or even police station where they can go when there is violent abuse, especially if there are infants and children involved.
    No one should be a victim of abuse.
    Sure, there is a second amendment issue, but also life and death issue of people experiencing domestic violence.
    There is no statement in the constitution which says people need to stay in a relationship where they are experiencing domestic violence.
    In fact, the founding fathers stated just the opposite in the Declaration of Independence, the all people should have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      So WHO is going to decide if we have that “right” or not? That’s the problem…

  • Rickey

    That’s why I interview every gun I buy before buying it. I don’t want any crazy ass guns at all. We only have same guns at all times the government probably should outlaw those crazy guns. Lol the only solution is this if people who don’t want guns or others to have them because they themselves are foolish they could be deported. Move to England or some other communist place besides America. We have the right to guns here always have if you don’t like it leave. I think we should outlaw people who don’t like guns or own them. New law says if you don’t like 2nd amendment or own guns then you should be deported as a communist. That would make as much sense as the people speaking out against my right to have them. If you don’t have one we will make a law that says your a communist and deport you after all we don’t want you here. Gun owners need same radical approach of those people trying to take our freedoms and turn it around. Either own a gun or leave or be deported or jailed for infringing my rights. After all if your infringing on my constitutional right your a law breaker if your attacking my constitution your illegally doing so. Police sworn as most government employed to protect the constitution. Those who are trying to tear it apart are in fact unconstitutional and criminals lets prosecute them. Lets make the penalty public hanging and I bet they will shut their dumb mouths then. They can have a silent gun burning and hide from us but we will find them. Lol

    • 45caliber

      Rickey:

      I agree. You have to interview those guns to insure you get a sane one.

      The real problem is that most who want to ban guns aren’t dealing with sane ones. They want to ban the ones OTHER PEOPLE have so they can use their own unsane guns to force everyone else to do as they say. I’m not sure if that is a dictatorship or what.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      I like your idea for a new law. It doesn’t’ seem so far fetched to me! Actually it sounds like a good idea!

  • 45caliber

    Of course it was the gun! Just lay a gun on the floor and you’ll find it making you pick it up and shooting someone. Or it will make you go rob a bank or something and shoot someone there. Guns have the mystic ability to project thoughts and acts into you that nothing else has. Guns are the fault of everything wrong in the universe! Ban them and you automatically find everything perfect everywhere. Only a government is strong enough to resist the demands guns make on people so only governments should have guns. And only the liberals should be in charge of governments since they are the only ones who can withstand the force guns place on people. Just ask them!

    Of course, not all liberals have this ability but all those in political power do – and will. You can tell this by simply reading some of the liberal comments in this and other sites. Every once in awhile one will suggest that all conservatives should be shot so you know that the influence guns have is working on them too.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The only thing ever, and I mean ever, that this gun control the left wants will do, is keep guns in the hands of criminals and out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Had hand guns been illegal, I assure you this guy would have gotten one illegally and did what he did anyway. The majority of gun crimes arent committed by people licensed to carry firearms, they are committed by people carrying illegal guns in the first place. Criminals will always have guns. Always. The only gun control that should be exercised, is in stepping up the penalty for people using a gun in a criminal action. Dude breaks in and robs you with a gun, gets caught, bam, 50 years. No half time, no good time, just 50 years solid. That would stop a lot of it. But when you slap them on the hand and set them back out on the street, most of them are out there the next night. However, if a law abiding citizen has a gun in one of the houses this criminal breaks into, we might not have to every worry about him doing this again. Fact.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      If we are going to use your idea, we need to empty the jails of non violent thought criminals who never harmed anyone in the commission of their “crime”. Otherwise, we will need to fence in a state and make it a prison colony. Which state do we use? Which one do YOU live in?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Did I say anything about other criminals that pulled off non hand gun crimes? No sir, I did not. But now that you mention it, I do find in very disturbing that there are people serving 25 years with no half time or chance to get out earlier, for selling marijuana, whereas people that murder people and molest kids are walking the street in 7 to 10 years. Yes, I do take issue with that. That is a big problem with our legal system, that common sense is not in existence. Violent criminals all deserve to be locked up, for a long , long time, and our penal code needs re-written. When someone has murdered someone, then walks because a form was signed wrong, or a lawyer filed a motion wrong, but they have the proof he did it, but that doesnt matter because “his rights” were violated, so he goes free, even though the guilt is proven. Give me a break. Its all screwed up. But you assertation has nothing to do with my comment, so I dont know what your agenda is, but what I said is the cold hard truth, and you cant bend that. If you dont think people that commit crimes with a hand gun deserve long sentences, then God help you man, because thats twisted.

    • Vicki

      Beberoni writes:
      “Had hand guns been illegal, I assure you this guy would have gotten one illegally and did what he did anyway. ”

      Proof in Washington DC, New York and any other place that guns were illegal for private citizens to possess. Every one a hot bed of crime.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That is right. In all these liberal cities and countries with the most stringent hand gun laws, the criminals prey freely on the other citizens as they know most of them are not armed. Its just a fact. If you make it illegal, it will only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, because the criminals are going to gain them illegally anyways. Its just a cold hard fact.

  • alpha-lemming

    FINALLY…… sumone gits it !!!
    A plee to any civic-minded bloggur on this site whu’d like to represent me in cort… this keebord keeps misspeling wurds and I think I’ve got a goud clas-axshun suite avaleable hear. Thu Acer peeple got deep pokkets and if the gun didit… the keebord did two!!

    The rode to sucsess is clear now and if I play my kards rite I may yet be able to servive in Obamerika…..

    • http://midcontent brand inspector

      The new and emproved ebonics fetching up, sur heped you, not only in groing new pointing digitals, but how to whore your self by rug scrubbing and putting your hinny up to air out. Prostrating your had to a child abuser and beating and whipping up on all womans and killing your off spring at anytime, show you, are Da Man!

      • Lorene

        No! No! No!
        The man whose finger was on the trigger didn’t do it!
        The gun he was holding didn’t do it!
        It was the BULLET!!!
        When are people going to get this right?

        In the same vein:
        The man holding the bow didn’t do it!
        The bow didn’t do it!
        It was the ARROW!!!

        Oops, I shouldln’t have said that, how long do you suppose it will be before they take our bows and our arrows?

        And our tire irons, loose bricks, confiscate our rocks from the entire country, take our butter knives, shackle us to large steel balls. If we don’t stop this trend, it could get this silly!

    • 45caliber

      Sorry, alpha, but too many kids are graduating from schools now with that level of typing skills. Actually, in their case, it is spelling skills. Any attempt to sue due to a faulty keyboard would just be mistaken for high school skills now.

      • alpha-lemming

        ……. WRATS !!!!!!!!!……..

  • LITTLE JOHN

    The gun did not do it, he did… now lets think for a min. it only took me a second, is there any research going on about killings where a gun was not used? If there is our government is not making that public and is not jumping on it with both feet. The people who want more power are the ones pushing for taking everyones gun… Our CONSTITUTION gives every person the right to keep and bear arms.. this is there to keep this country free from Tyranny… and unarmed people are very easy to govern… it does work… Hitler did it.. Castro did it…. and you could go on and on…… the brainwashed people believe, because they have been told over and over again by power hungry government guns are evil…. folks the truth is people are evil just check out history of the world…. GUNS DONT KILL, PEOPLE DO….. protect your rights, keep america free…. buy a gun to protect yourself, your family and your country.

    • coal miner 1

      I agree Little John,just any old excuse to take our gun rights away.Guns aren’t the problem,people are..Stand your ground,gun control nuts are out in full force..

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Those in power aren’t worried about someone with a knife “getting” them. But they are getting worried that if they piss off enough of those 100 + million gun owners that they just may have a real problem on their hands as they are led off to a wall somewhere.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And when those in power become stupid enough to try to go door to door to collect and take away guns from law abiding citizens, they are going to open up a can they wish they never would have opened.

      • larry ryan

        I don’t care who in government is monitoring this site, I’ll say it right out. I’m in my sixties, have had a stroke and am in pain most of the time. Come to take my guns away (target shooting is one of few bits of recreational fun I’ve got left) and I’m sure they can get me, but I’m going to try to take as many with me as I can. And just a side note, kevlar won’t protect from a hollow point through the eye.

  • Grab This Gun!

    Let’s make it tougher for sober drivers to purchase automobiles. That will cut down the number of drunk drivers!

    • Dennis Stafford

      If not the gun, then the knife or the baseball bat , or the drop cord , or posion , so give the people a break… of all the gun owners , and their are millions of us , I ask you how many of us who have gun to protect our families have kill some one . those who have deranged minds will find an avenue to kill… give me liberty or death ,give me guns or there will no liberty… God bless America PLEASE

  • TIME

    Dear People,

    Look sports persons have issues with anger thats a given ~ why is that ?

    Think about it, what is it they do for a living? They beat the living hell out of each other.

    Then toss in “STEROIDS” then to add to this crazy mix ~ the “Gladiator” mindset of what cheering fans supply on mass daily, and whala, what you mixed up is nothing short of an
    “Appetite for Destruction.”

    People who are on the very hairy edge of cruel or nasty behavior patterns can go from ZERO to infinity in a split second, by the way they also train to be that way daily for how many hours ~ and for how many years?

    Let alone they get paid BIG MONEY to be that way, oddly so to were the Gladiators of ROME, who not only were able to buy their freedom but were also paid in food, wages, sex, living quarters etc.. Now can anyone see how that applys to sports figures of today?

    You go from living in the hood, to being paid $25 Million PLUS dollars for 2 – 3 years work.

    Perhaps Bob Costas as well all sports casters are really far more at fault than anyone on this issue and for sure more so than GUNS, afteralll its people like him who bring out all the “DRAMAS” to make people act up in such crazy ways and they do this daily..

    ** Only “FREE PEOPLE” have guns, if and when you allow guns to be restricted and or taken away ~ you will are longer are a FREE person.

    Governments that want you disarmed no matter how “BENEVOLENT” they may claim they are. They are nothing more than a ~ Hitler, Stalin or Mao.

    Look at the numbers of people they murdered indirectly or directly.
    By the Way, all of them also wanted not only Gun Restrictions and Registration, of what was followed up by CONFISCATION, then MASS MURDER.

    Its that simple people, ” Its not guns that kill people ~ its what your {{social fabric creates}} that kills people.”

    Then toss in what your MASS MEDIA by way of the Political control machine and what they can sell you on that creates the solutions thatsaddly end the same way time after time,

    Thus we as a nation need to now more than ever FULLY understand what these solution produce
    TIME after TIME, “””””Mass Murder”””””” by way of the RULERS Control grid.

    You all must stand up and be counted SAY NO to any and ALL GUN CONTROL LAWS.
    Or we all will suffer the same fate as the Millions of Jewish people from Europe, as well all others who have been MASS MURDERED by CRIMINALS in Government who claimed to be doing good.

    Wake up people ~~ this is not a game.

    Peace and Love Merry Christmas

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Excellent post.

    • Charlie R

      I guess we all can all get a chance to stand up against UN gun control in the US when Obama sneaks his UN ATT small arms treaty before Harry Reid and the democrat senate for approval. This will be another unintended consequence of re-electing OBAMA.
      The ATT will be “signed, sealed, and delivered” before any leftist news media reports anything about the ATT.

      • TIME

        Dear Charlie,

        Please look at sights such as:
        Before its news,
        Steve Quayle,
        redice creations,
        Alex Jones

        These sights will give you a lot of lead TIME, but the gun issue is only part of many a united nations treaty that we have to WORK to stop dead in their tracks.

        We will have a long hard fight on our hands to look forward to in the coming near future.

        Peace and love Merry Christmas

      • Karolyn

        Before It’s News tends to be the GLOBE of the internet.

      • Don

        you were talking about the small arms treaty. how can obunhole think he can override the constitution, the law of the land. i guess a lot of our rights are slipping away as time passes. how about the one where you are guilty until proven innocent. they’re even trying to change free speech. i think we should get rid of the un, the organization of the nwo. when they take over the blue helmets will become the police force of the world. hellery and obunhole is trying to speed up the process. i think a petition to get the un out of new york and the country out of the organjization. this country’s idiot government probly keeps it going by doing their usual of paying most of the bill for it. it is one of the most useless ineffective organizations ever formed. i wish someone would put out a petition to get rid of it. my name would be at the top of the first page. in the original constitution the whole government was supposed to be servants of the people. nowadays instead of servants, they are called leaders. servants do things for the people they are working for, leaders run the people who are ignorant enough to vote them in. leaders decide what the people do, make the rules, anymore rob the little guy for the benefit of the rich and mighty. too bad all the people can’t vote and vote smart. the rich run elections like beauty padgents and the ignorant voter votes for the one who looks the most beautiful. sickening. the vote could beat the buck and with the vote we could vote wisley and get the country back.

  • Shoot back Kasandra!

    Kasandra Perkins should have had a gun and should have known how to use it. Bet there would have been a different outcome then!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Being enamoured with Belcher clouded her judgement, I don’t believe anything would have saved Kasandra.

  • Paul Wells

    The bottom line, is we are doomed as a civilization, because NO ONE believes in personal responsibility and accountability any more. Dr. Benjamin Spock’s child rearing crap has officially borne the fruit of this philosophy. When you tell everyone they are special, and are not want to discipline for fear of damaging little egos, then people learn to make excuses for their actions, behaviors, etc. So shall you sew, so shall you reap. It doesn’t matter anymore, right is wrong, left is right, down is up, etc. Everything you learned is now wrong. Congratulations America! You did yourself in by letting stupidity and dumbed down rules/laws/precepts guide your actions, instead of the King of Kings!

    So have you sown, shall ye reap!

  • Humpty Dumpty

    Mr. Livingston’s comments in this piece apparently can apply to most of society’s ills: It’s the choices made either from addictions or lack of knowledge, which usually result from too much media input/indoctrination about what’s supposedly politically correct or ‘fashionable trends’ that fall below the bar of decency, in my opinion.

  • Kim

    When life spirals out of control, it takes a strong person to walk away. This man was not strong; he brinked on stupid. I’m sorry, it you don’t know how to control anger, why have a gun in the house. If the first thing you reach for in a time of trouble is a gun, you are a sorry example of humanity. The best thing that man did is kill himself. Do it in front of others, goes to his stupidity. The child will have a life. May good people step in and raise her. That is my prayer and hope. The man was stupid. His wife? She was unfortunate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Well, maybe he was taking lessons from the GOVERNMENT who doesn’t resort to firearms as much as DRONES to kill people in wedding parties. And we hold them up to be fine examples of humanity….just saying.

    • Karolyn

      Her grandmother is raising her.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,”

        MA’AM, THE PROBLEM IS, WHICH GRANDMOTHER? YOU KNOW THE MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER WILL “BAD-MOUTH” Mr. Belcher TO THAT CHILD. YET, THAT CHILD WILL BE RICH BECAUSE OF Mr. Belcher’s “BOUNTY.” IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE “WARRING” MATERNAL- AND PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    100 Million gun owners harmed no one today.

    • Vicki

      Or to put it into real perspective, according to this website
      http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

      The US is 4 highest in the world with ~9000 murders per year. Of course the 3 above us are ~20,000, ~21,000 and ~31,000 but lets just focus on how bad we are instead of how good.

      9369/364 = ~26 murders per DAY. Oh my. That means that over 100 MILLION people DIDN’T murder someone that day.

      It also means that over 200 MILLION guns in the control of responsible citizens did not break from their leash and murder someone that day either.

      That works out to be %0.000013% of the guns DIDN’T murder that day.

      • vicki

        That would be DID murder that day. Opps.

  • Ms. PAZ

    Was the gun used purchased legally thru a licensed firearms dealer? If not he would not have been back ground checked for any record of previous violence.

  • fran fritts

    I don’t listen to the radical elite liberal as they don’t report the news.They need to go back to school and work toward degrees in indoctrination,as do our public school teachers.

  • http://n/a Kimmerd30

    Being seniors living way out in the country on a farm, I shutter to think what we would do without a fire arm for protection. Someone needs to break into Costa’s home when he is there and threaten to bop him on the head.
    Then someone could say “If Mr. Costa’s had owned a firearm, he’d be alive today”..

  • Leasha

    I believe the initiatives of the UN for world governance has influenced many left wing and a few right wing politicians. Mr Clinton has built a global initiative forum outlining a better world mirroring the UN. Beneath this subtle endeavor is ultimately the control of the environment, the population and the economy.
    By removing our ability to think or recognize right from wrong we have then submitted ourselves to complacency. Conscience is no longer exercised and the void of it is filled with extremes of human passion.
    We will face continued arguments from both sides of causes or excuses for society’s woes.
    In the final period of history, the world will be seeking a peaceful solution which has always been there but seldom sought.
    A spiritual revival will begin and great efforts will ensue with a push for one world religion.
    In the end our valued ” liberality of conscience”,
    The constitution, will just be a piece of paper from the past and prove to be an experiment that failed.
    The absence of God and His law, the ten commandments, will result in anarchy.
    Why are we struggling so much now? Why all the confusion about who is right?
    The answers are in the Bible. Read all about it. The new Russian flag is St.Christopher slaying the dragon. An article in Time magazine depicting a faction of right wing people opposing same sex marriage in France
    An unusual and rare unity of Catholics, Jewish and Muslim alliance against it as well.
    Again read all about it and be in the know from the Bible.

    • Karolyn

      Been there; done that; found it lacking in answers to my questions. Spirituality is beyond the written word and is so lacking in so many no matter their religion. The answer/the truth is within. “The kingdmo of God is within.” “Ye are Gods.”

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Karolyn: “The kingdom of God is within.” “Ye are Gods.”

        Karolyn, humanity’s ego is already sufficiently-inflated, and the problems as the result, considerable; please don’t add to it!

    • Karolyn

      Wouldn’t it be great if there was a one-world religion? Only not a religion but a spiritual connection with everybody. In reality, we are all connected. Unfortunately, most people don’t believe that.

      • nickkin

        Did you mean we are all disconnected……..? One world religion- honor the god -of guns.! Bang bang Karolyn…your brain just got shot, twit.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      To Karl Marx, Christianity was detestable! He hated it! And since its various expressions had spread throughout Europe, it had to be eradicated. So, in his Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Law, he wrote,

      “Man makes religion, religion does not make man…. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of spiritless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

      From a Communist perspective, it makes sense. But from a Biblical perspective, it’s nonsense! Marx believed in continual CHANGE. Christians believe in unchanging Truth, which clashes with that dialectical progression. Christianity can’t be squeezed into the Marxist revolutionary process. Nor can Marxism fit into God’s churches without perverting both Truth and faith. The two are incompatible!

      The Encyclopedia of Marxism rationalizes the word “absolute” to fit its evolving theories:

      “…the progress of knowledge never comes to an end, so the absolute is relative. However, even a relative truth may nevertheless contain some grain of the whole absolute truth, so there is an absolute within the relative.”

      This distinction is important. Apart from God’s unchanging Truth, there is no concrete hope or certainty to stand on, because man’s unending desire to redefine reality knows no bounds. Few examples are more disturbing than the distortions of God’s Word in today’s postmodern churches.

      Training our Youth in Marxist Praxis

      An Internet survey of American colleges will quickly expose the acceptance and popularity of Praxis. Take the University of Wisconsin. Its page on “Service Learning Pedagogy” sounds innocent enough. It seems to reflect the Christian tradition of loving and serving the poor and needy, but it actually fits right into the Marxist formula for change: Facilitated Dialogue (establishing a preplanned, transformational OBJECTIVE) or THEORY + PRACTICE (practical experience that changes values) = PRAXIS. Its website affirms this process:

      “The process of critical reflection is an essential element of service learning. It enhances student learning by connecting the service and the academic experiences. It links THEORY with PRACTICE.”

      The real purpose is calculated CHANGE. Whether the students’ assignment involves homeless shelters, drug and addiction issues, community organizing, medical care, or environmental issues, they will be led toward emotional involvement with those who “hurt,” be they humans, animals or a “fragile earth.” They learn to evaluate reality through subjective feelings, which can easily be manipulated. Like the students in the infamous Clinton’s Governor School, they are trained to see life from an irrational — often a revolutionary — perspective.

      When students are immersed in morally “diverse” contexts that mock Biblical values, they are likely to emerge with a disturbing familiarity with unforgettable corruption. They learn to “tolerate” practices that mock our God, empathize with those who face the painful consequences of bad choices, and accept social evils as a normal condition.

      The actual transformation in student values will usually be measured by assessments done before and after each service-learning experience. These assessments are key to documenting the effectiveness of the program. The website for Minnesota State Colleges and Universities shows the significance of “reflection” and “assessments:

      “Service-learning is not volunteerism. Reflection allows students to think critically about their experience, including how the experience affected them emotionally and how their values may have changed.”

      “Student assessments may include pre-service and post-service assessments….”

      This transformational strategy may sound kind and compassionate to its numerous supporters, but it virtually immunizes most participants against God’s moral guidelines. And those who don’t flow with the changing values will pay the high cost of low assessments and poor grades.

      Julea Ward, a Christian student at Eastern Michigan University, was expelled from graduate school “for not affirming homosexual behavior as acceptable.” Though she wasn’t involved in formal “service-learning,” she illustrates the general university attitude toward Christian values.

      This seductive PRAXIS is now the norm in “service learning” programs from elementary schools through college — and on through adulthood. With President Obama’s universal service plans, few will escape the mind-changing manipulation.

      [See Praxis through Service-Learning for another glimpse of this transformational agenda]

      http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/Education/service learning/theory_of_servicelearning.htm

  • http://LibertysSon.wordpress.com skycaptain777

    There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody—-except bad people.

  • Dave C.

    OK Costas… so without a gun, he and his girlfriend would without a doubt be alive today. Hmm… I guess he didn’t possess the strength to choke her to death with his bare hands… I guess he wouldn’t think of doing himself in by driving into a brick wall…or jumping of a building or bridge…. on 2nd thought…we better outlaw cars, bridges and high buildings… and have giant foam padded gloves to be required to be worn. What a crock!

  • Vicki

    “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence”

    http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1564/

  • KJQ

    Implementing gun control legislation is like the police chasing a criminal who runs into a very large building. The police, realizing that they have insufficient numbers to surround that building, decide to surround the small apartment building next door.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg Beaty

    People whom fear guns hate guns and will do anything to get rid of them. People whom like guns respect them and and do anything to keep their gun. I like gun and would do anything to keep them.

    • larry ryan

      It’s worse and also more interesting than that. An unloaded gun isn’t even a tool. It’s a lump of metal. I have a cousin who detests gun so much that I once unloaded a .38 revolver right in front of her. Left the chamber open and tried to hand it to her. You’d have thought I was trying to hand her a live rattlesnake. It’s equivalent mindset of those zero tolerance morons at schools who will suspend or even expell a student who DRAWS a picture of a gun. And it needn’t even be that good or accurate a drawing.

  • Karolyn

    He could have easily killed her with his hands if he didn’t have a gun.

  • Karolyn

    I do not care who owns a gun. Where I live, most homes have at least one (SC). However, as I told a friend who carries in his car and even when he walks in the woods behind his house, “You are just asking for something to happen.” “As ye think, so shall ye be.”

    • DaveH

      Better to have a gun when you don’t need it, than to not have a gun when you need it.

  • Frank

    You ignore one very important issue. Yes, Belcher and not the gun did the killing. Should people like Belcher be able to easily obtain and own firearms. Automobiles do not in any way kill anyone. Each year there are enough automobile accidents that we closely regulate who can drive an automobile. Should everyone in the U.S. regardless of their emotional stability be allowed to own firearms? To me, that is the realistic issue.

    • Vicki

      Should anyone in the U.S.be denied the ability to defend themselves just because YOU question their emotional stability? That is the realistic issue.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Are you admitting that you are not capable to make judgement calls. Then don’t own a gun. Leave the rest of us to make our own decisions but with that you cannot expect us to protect your sorry arse if you get yourself in a predicament.

  • John Kramer

    My bottom line is this. It was not the gun that killed Kasandra Perkins. It was Javon Belcher that killed Kassandra Perkins. Javon Belcher is not the real victim is this case. Kasandra Perkins was the real victims in the case. Bob Costas is so stupid to make a hero out of Javon Belcher who killed his ex-girl friend. Javon Belcher was not a hero at all. He was the villian in this case. He died like a coward did. Javon Belcher is to blame. He is the one who brought it on himslef. If he had problems, he should have gotten himself help.He chose not to. He was the problem not the gun.

    • Richard Babin

      John,

      I agree 100% with you. We’re witnessing their willingness to use any situation involving a firearm and turn it into their personal agenda by focusing on the firearm rather than the person pulling the trigger. This is clearly an attempt to influence the general public into agreeing to ban private gun ownership.

      I’ll bet you’ll agree that these people will continue this most deplorable and very misleading practice until the public screams “get rid of the guns” and then Congress will act. If they don’t, we’ll see an executive order banning private gun ownership. My gut tells me that this will happen within the next four years.

      This demented person could have easily killed her with or without a firearm. He could have snapped her neck or thrown her off the balcony or used a knife. Of course, then the focus wouldn’t be on his method of murder. However, use a firearm and, bam-bam, everyone is focusing on and blaming the gun rather than the person pulling the trigger!

      This also sends the wrong message because it tells people that if they want to murder someone, use a firearm rather than something else because then the firearm is blamed; not the person pulling the trigger! Welcome to change — an upside society feeling they can do anything at their pleasure and demanding entitlements at zero cost to them. We were warned about this in 2nd Timothy!

      • Vicki

        Richard Babin wriets:
        “Congress will act.(on gun possession). If they don’t, we’ll see an executive order banning private gun ownership”

        I wonder if we should point out to them how well that plan worked for the British circa 1780.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    This may not be a gun issue as much as it may be a steroids issue. More specifically, anabolic-steroids abuse!

    The use of performance enhancing drugs in the sport of American football has been an ongoing issue since the late 1980s, especially in the National Football League (NFL). The
    NFL began to test players for steroid use during the 1987 season, and started to issue suspensions to players during the 1989 season. The NFL has issued as many as six random drug tests to players, with each player receiving at least one drug test per season. One notable incident was when in 1992, when player Lyle Alzado died from brain cancer, which he attributed to the use of anabolic steroids, however, Alzado’s doctors stated that anabolic steroids did not contribute to his death.

    The use of performance enhancing drugs has also been found in other levels of football, including play at college level, and even high school play. The most recent figures from the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) football drug tests show that one percent of all NCAA football players failed drug tests taken at bowl games, and three percent have admitted to using steroids overall. In the NCAA, players are subject to random testing with 48 hours notice, and are also randomly tested throughout the annual bowl games. The NCAA will usually take approximately 20 percent of the players on a football team to test on a specific day.

    Anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing drugs are also used throughout high school football. Steroid use at this level of play doubled from 1991 to 2003, with results of a survey showed that about 6 percent of players out of the 15,000 surveyed had admitted to using some type of anabolic steroid or performance enhancing drug at one point in their playing time. Other data shows that only 4 percent of high schools have some form of drug testing programs in place for their football teams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_use_in_American_football

    Anabolic-Steroids abuse is prevalent in professional-sports, particularly in professional football. Steroids users may experience (depression, moodiness, aggression, irritability, thoughts of suicide and paranoia) and may become dependent on the drugs and suffer withdrawal symptoms when they discontinue use. In other words, they are unpredictable, time-bombs ready to go off at any time.

    According to the National Institute of Drug Abuse, or NIDA, the psychiatric effects of steroid abuse include (rage and aggression) as well as (mania and delusional behaviour). Anabolic steroids are drugs that are used illegally, usually to build up muscle mass more quickly than exercise alone can achieve. NIDA reports that some users of steroids get into physical fights with others or commit aggressive crimes such as armed robbery, behavior that is not typical for the individual when not taking steroids.

    How convenient Mr. Costas never raised the issue of anabolic-steroids abuse as a possible factor in this unfortunate-tragedy! Perhaps someone should?

  • Richard Babin

    I guess, if I’m ever in an accident, I’ll just say, “it was the car’s fault!” Or, “Honey, I’m home and I know I’m late but it was the police’s fault for stopping me because I was speeding!”

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Celebrity gun-quote.

    “I have a love interest in every one of my films – a gun.”
    - Arnold Schwarzenegger

    “I have a very strict gun control policy: if there’s a gun around, I want to be in control of it.” – Clint Eastwood

    “The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose.”
    - James Earl Jones

    “To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.”
    - Ted Nugent

    “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
    - Sigmund Freud

    “An armed society is a polite society.”
    - Robert Heinlein

    “There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men.”
    - Robert A. Heinlein

    “Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.”
    - Charlton Heston

    “We would just go out and line up a bunch of cans and shoot with rifles, handguns and at times, submachine guns… When I was a kid it was a controlled atmosphere, we weren’t shooting at humans… we were shooting at cans and bottles mostly. I will most certainly take my kids out for target practice.”
    - Johnny Depp

    “But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you … it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”
    - Dalai Lama

    “A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders.”
    - Larry Elder

    “The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”
    - G. K. Chesterton

    ” … the right to defend one’s home and one’s person when attacked has been guaranteed through the ages by common law.”
    - Martin Luther King

    “That rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
    - George Orwell

    “In England, if you commit a crime, the police don’t have a gun and you don’t have a gun. If you commit a crime, the police will say ‘Stop, or I’ll say stop again.’”
    - Robin Williams

    “It’s better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.”
    - Christian Slater

    “Now they’re tryin’ to take my guns away
    And that would be just fine

    If you take ‘em away from the criminals first
    I’d gladly give you mine”
    - Charlie Daniels Band, A Few More Rednecks

    “Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again; poor fools. And their grand-children are once more slaves.”
    - D. H. Lawrence

    “Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the constitution by claiming it’s not an individual right or that it’s too much of a safety hazard don’t see the danger of the big picture. They’re courting disaster by encouraging others to use this same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don’t like.”
    - Alan Dershowitz

  • REV EMORY THACKER

    THe gun didn’t do it, the person who picket it up and used it was the one who killed these people. the BIBLE says that a person who takes a life and shed their blood is to pay with their blood. no won told the guy to use that gun, and if he had not pulled the trigger the gun would never fired. and no where dose it say to put them in prison for the rest of their life. saying they will suffer more in prison than if they die. you can not tell me that Hell fire is not hotter than them setting in a sell watching TV, You can not use that GOD said thou shalt not kill. because HE also said study to shew yourself approved a workman unto GOD rightly dividing the Word of GOD. and if we rightly divide the word of GOD. WE will find GOD said to put them to death.Thank YOU GOD BLESS AMERICA REV ERT

    • larry ryan

      Sorry, the commandment isn’t “thou shalt not kill” The English version is a bad translation of a poor translation. They all are but this is most egregious. God, Himself ordered killing all over the place. Why? I don’t know. Ask God. I suspect His reasons aren’t so much that we aren’t allowed to know as much as that we aren’t capable of understanding the answers. I also suspect that this life and death aren’t as important as we think they are or in the way we think they are. In any case, the real commandment in the original Hebrew was “thou shalt not murder” If it was literally “thou shalt not kill” you’d be breaking it every time you ate a carrot, never mind a steak.

  • bobbyp

    I wonder why he didn’t kill himself where he murdered his girl friend instead of going to his work place to kill himself? Is there any significance in that. He could have done a better job of killing himself by jumping off of the roof of a tall bldg. maybe landing on bob costas or jason whitlock.

  • nickkin

    Let’s talk about success stories…..90 year old woman, living by herself goes through the hoop and gets her cwp. Buys a weapon with a laser. 3: am house broken in by 2 hispanics..she puts laser on first and gives warning with no heeding by bandits..gun fired by granny, one down, and second one wounded which later was found bled to death. Nurse walking to her car when she is attacked…has license to carry and has a gun purse..bam, one severly wounded attacker down…security from hospital was cut down because of expenses..bottom line deal…..people like Costas apparently do not know the value of life…2 types of life insurance….before and after….hey NBC(nothing but crap) go to the legal gun stores and find out how many success stories of guns saving lives rather than the other way around. Costas is only good @ playing “mouth roulette” and he only shoots blanks….what a whimp!

  • Jimbo

    In NY State, the State Police, maintain a registry of licensed handgun owners. A couple years ago, they released that information to a group that was advocating gun control. The list was posted on a website for all to see. Gun owners protested, and it eventually went down.

    What they SHOULD have done was post a list of all the homes WITHOUT guns. We’ll see whose houses get preyed upon by the burglers and home invasion thugs.

    • coal miner 1

      Jimbo,
      Cain rose up and slew Abel,there was no mention of a weapon.

  • http://yahoo sylvia

    america is, at an alarming rate, becoming the Republic of the Didus Ineptus. some of those in power are out to destroy–just plain. catering to misfits(ex anything pertaining to Christmas,prayer,and the list goes on and on and on. on equally threatening issues and some of extremely serious nature are: gun control, any change of the Constitution,etc. unity by those of the same beliefs of protecting our rights is a must. people kill people and innocent life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.sherman.589 tgsherman

    The cops carry guns, the secret service carries guns! Do they carry them to protect you? It is O.K. for them to have have guns to protect their families but not your family! If you agree with that then give me your gun!

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.sherman.589 tgsherman

    I think the Football did it!!! Think about it!

  • Don

    they can be stupid and blame the gun, but belcher looks physically big enough to take her apart limb for limb.

  • nickkin

    News flash for Bob Caustic (Costas)……all pro football players will not be able to own cars because of the manslaughter of a Dallas cowboy by a teammate with a vehicle….Think of all the money the pros will save with no gun-buying, no cars…girlfriends saved and grandmothers relieved of permanent baby sitting. Come one Bob….take a half-time break and give us your “caustic comment”.

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