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The Great Swine Flu Boondoggle

October 5, 2009 by  

The Great Swine Flu Boondoggle

The so-called great Swine flu pandemic is nothing more than a One World Government power grab, an effort at population control and a boondoggle designed to enrich big Pharma and its supporters.

While the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the World Health Organization (WHO) and the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology are predicting millions of infections and tens of thousands of deaths to come, actual figures early in the season are proving to be quite different.

Amidst all the ballyhoo, big Pharma has ramped up production of vaccines and governments are threatening to mandate—and in the case of the New York and New Jersey actually mandating—forced immunizations.

The virus, first called Swine flu and later name-changed to H1N1, first appeared in Mexico in April. Since then the WHO has declared the disease a pandemic. But as of Sept. 25, according to the WHO, there have been only 318,925 confirmed cases worldwide and only 3,917 deaths; a mortality rate of just over 1 percent. That’s a truly miniscule number. Don’t forget the seasonal flu kills an average of 3,000 people per month in the U.S. alone.

As late as August, the President’s Council of Advisors on Science predicted the H1N1 virus would infect 2 million U.S. citizens this fall and winter and result in 30,000 to 90,000 U.S. deaths.

While the flu so far is proving troublesome for those who have it and causing a higher than normal percentage of absenteeism in schools across the U.S., its effects are turning out much milder than government propagandists forecast.

This is not the first time for predictions by government scare-mongers of a worldwide Swine flu pandemic. In 1976, after one soldier at Fort Dix, N.J., collapsed during a 50 mile hike and later died, the U.S. government ramped up a Swine flu vaccine and through a massive public relations campaign, encouraged everyone in the country to be vaccinated.

This despite the fact that all known cases of Swine flu at the time were confined to 155 soldiers at Fort Dix, and none of them died.

In March of 1976, two months after the soldier’s death and with seasonal flu cases in their normal decline, the CDC asked Congress for the money to develop enough vaccine to immunize 80 percent of the U.S. population.

Four months later Congress was pushing drug companies to work faster, and drug companies asked for immunity from lawsuits if something went wrong with the vaccine. On Aug. 2, 1976, two members of the American Legion died from a respiratory disease acquired at the Legion’s convention in Philadelphia and the next day, convinced that an epidemic was beginning, Congress granted the immunity drug companies sought.

Two months later, with the government predicting at least a million deaths to come from the Swine flu, the immunization process began. By Oct. 11, 1976, approximately 40 million people had been vaccinated. Then three seniors died soon after receiving their shots.

In the ensuing days more seniors died and many otherwise healthy people began suffering debilitating neuromuscular problems and paralysis which later was diagnosed as Guillan-Barré syndrome. The Swine flu immunization was the common factor in the cases.

Drug companies that manufactured the vaccines made millions yet suffered no liability for the consequences of their untested vaccine.

It turned out in 1976 that the cure was more deadly than the disease. It looks like the same is probably going to be true this time.

The drug company GlaxoSmithKline was recently contracted by Canada to manufacture 50.4 million doses of Swine flu or H1N1 vaccine. Drug companies Baxter Pharmaceuticals and Novartis Pharmaceuticals have been commissioned to manufacture the vaccine for the U.S.

Both GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis are using the substance squalene in their H1N1 vaccines. According to The American Journal of Pathology, squalene is a cholesterol precursor which stimulates the immune system nonspecifically. One intradermal injection—or shot—of this adjuvant lipid can induce joint-specific inflammation in arthritis-prone rats.

Novartis’ squalene adjuvant was used in the experimental anthrax vaccines for soldiers serving in the Gulf War and has been linked to Gulf War Syndrome, the devastating auto-immune disease suffered by Gulf War veterans who took the anthrax shots.

Symptoms of Gulf War Syndrome include ulcers, arthritis, chronic diarrhea, fatigue and headaches, dizziness, fibromyalgia, memory loss, mood changes, multiple sclerosis, neuropsychiatric problems, rashes, skin lesions, photosensitive rashes and systemic lupus, according to osteopathic physician Joseph Mercola, M.D.

On Dr. Mercola’s website, anthrax vaccine expert Meryl Nass, M.D., wrote:

A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.

Dr. Nass also writes that the squalene adjuvants have not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in any U.S. vaccine.

And then there’s Baxter.

In 2008, Baxter produced a contaminated blood thinner called heparin that had to be recalled by the FDA. It resulted in at least 81 deaths and hundreds of injuries. The active ingredient for heparin was produced in a Chinese factory that had never been inspected by the FDA.

Earlier this year it was reported that Baxter shipped what could be a weaponized version of the H591 Avian flu virus to at least 18 countries in a vaccine. The vaccine contained a live virus that had been mixed with seasonal flu viruses. The combination would have created a super-strain of virus that would have spread much more readily than normal Avian flu.

Curiously, Baxter applied for a patent for the H1N1 flu vaccine in August 2008, eight months before the H1N1 virus appeared in Mexico. This for a type of virus that had not manifested itself for more than 30 years.

In July the drug companies were given immunity from liability for the vaccines and the immunizations are about to begin with very little testing. Again, drug companies stand to make millions of dollars without fear of consequences if things go horribly wrong.

Appearing suddenly in April, the origins of the virus have either not been discovered or are known but not being revealed to the general public. Writing for the Institute of Science in Society, Professor Adrian Gibbs and Dr. Jean Downie have studied the gene sequences of the H1N1 virus and determined the virus is a combination unlike any seen in the past.

Furthermore, none of the genes that make up the virus have been seen for a long time. It appears to be a combination of Swine flu not seen in North America in more than a decade and Avian flu found in Europe but never in North America.

Gibbs and Downie posit the virus emanated either from a vaccine made specifically for pigs, accidentally from an infected human working for a drug company or intentionally released into the Mexican population.

Remembering the scare that didn’t materialize in 1976 and recognizing the hyperbole coming out of government organizations, many Americans are casting a wary eye toward the prospects of vaccination. Many of those are saying no immunization, no way.

Recognizing that their scaremongering tactics aren’t working, governments are now starting to ramp up their intimidation tactics. New York just decreed that all health workers are required to be immunized and New Jersey has mandated the same for all children in day care and preschool.

Presidential advisor and former Congressman Rham Emanuel once stated, “You should never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” Those currently in charge are doing their dead-level best not to waste this manufactured one.

If government gets away with forcing its citizens to receive a drug against their will, one more chunk will have been removed from the wall separating liberty from tyranny.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Dorothy Deavers

    If the virus started in Mexico, what should that tell you?

    • Pete Wilson

      I don’t know, what should it tell me? The Mexicans are trying to kill us off with a flu?

      • Rodney Andregg

        Hey Pete ….It means Close the Borders so this neverhappens and think act and be America and stop pandering to people who don’t care for you or any americans Stand Up for America or shut up and leave get out we need unity not stupidy.

        • Pete Wilson

          OHHHHHHHHhh, close the borders to mexico. Oh I get it the Mexicans caused the problems. But it was people visiting Mexico that brought the swine flu back to the US with them. Maybe we need to make sure Americans NEVER leave the country so they don’t get sick while out of the country too.

          • Elaine

            Well if this administration gets its way we won’t ever leave this Country!

          • Rodney Andregg

            GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE A CHILD TRYING TO BE AN ADULT GO GET SOME OREO COOKIES AND GET OFF MOMMIES COMPUTER !!!!!!!!!

          • Pete Wilson

            Rodney Andregg,
            Were you repling to me? Why so angry? Because I just dismissed your point about an open border? I agree that we tighter control on our borders, but not for the same reasons as you. The swine Flu started in Mexico, I think the first case reported here was from a farmer in Kansas, he had been in Mexico on business. Others were school kids in New York that had been in Mexico. So it seems to reason that if you want to close our borders to keep sick people from coming in then you have to either tell people they can’t leave, or don’t let them back in until they have proven they are not sick.
            Typical reaction from someone like you though. I would expect no less.

          • Pete Wilson

            Elaine,
            Are they talking about quarenteening (sp) us? Bush talked about that too when they tried to scare us with bird flu. Bush said he would use the military to quarenteen cities if the bird flu ever hit here.

          • Elaine

            Really????? why is it allways BUSH …or maybe its just anybody else as long as you’re not responsible? Are you responsible for anything? I think Rodney is correct in assuming you still live with mommy….can you wipe youself? Get a clue…you may wish forced vaccines but fortunately everyone doesn’t agree with you!

          • Pete Wilson

            October 4, 2005
            Bush suggest using military to quarantine parts of the US in case of Bird Flu outbreak. Bush also asked that the President have more power in such an emergency.
            (Just who was it that wanted the President to have so much power? The Republican Congress granted powers to the President.

            Bush proposes using military in bird flu pandemic
            04 Oct 2005 16:45:39 GMT
            Source: Reuters

            WASHINGTON, Oct 4 (Reuters) – President George W. Bush suggested using the military to contain any epidemic of avian influenza on Tuesday, saying Congress needs to consider the possibility.

            He said the military, perhaps the National Guard, might be needed to enforce quarantines if the feared H5N1 bird flu virus changes enough to cause widespread human infection.

            “If we had an outbreak somewhere in the United States, do we not then quarantine that part of the country? And how do you, then, enforce a quarantine?” Bush asked at a news conference.

            “It’s one thing to shut down airplanes. It’s another thing to prevent people from coming in to get exposed to the avian flu. And who best to be able to effect a quarantine?” Bush added.

            “One option is the use of a military that’s able to plan and move. So that’s why I put it on the table. I think it’s an important debate for Congress to have.”

            Bird flu has killed more than 60 people in four Asian nations since late 2003 and has been found in birds in Russia and Europe.

            Experts fear that the H5N1 bird flu virus, which appears to be highly fatal when it infects people, will develop the ability to pass easily from person to person and would cause a pandemic that would kill millions.

            He noted that some governors may object to the federal government commandeering the National Guard, which is under state command in most circumstances.

            “But Congress needs to take a look at circumstances that may need to vest the capacity of the president to move beyond that debate. And one such catastrophe or one such challenge could be an avian flu outbreak,” Bush said.

          • eyeswideopen

            Pete, the people on this site can never admit that Pres. Bush ever did anything wrong. Also, the Republican Congress during that time was forced into signing bills which Pres. Obama made them do. He had mind control over all of them and he forced them to make decisions that would almost bankrupt this country. You have identified yourself as someone who is objective and logical, so the attacks will begin. LOL.

          • Elaine

            Petey and eyesw/open…Republican Congress????? you may want to check your info!LOL

          • DaveH

            Who cares if Bush did it? Do two wrongs make a right now? Why do you Liberals always bash Bush as a defense for everything the Government is doing? The government is too damn big! I don’t care if Bush runs it, or Obama runs it, it is too damn big.

          • Pete Wilson

            DaveH,
            Government is too big? What would you cut? What should government provide?

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, yes, the Republicans had control from 1995 until 2007. You can verify that by going to About.com US Politics. You don’t know how long your party had control of the Congress? That is too funny.

          • Elaine

            NO… Eyes… Dems have been in control since 2006 but what does that have to do with anything? that is why I LOL! Try to stay on topic….

          • DaveH

            Quote from Pete:
            “We need more acts of kindness in this country.”
            Then later on you dis Sarah Palin:
            “Yeah, that worked out for Sarah Palin too didn’t it. LOL What a joke!”
            You need to work a little harder on that kindness.

          • Pete Wilson

            DaveH,

            Sarah Palin purposly put herself out there in the public eye to make a fool of herself. Kind of like you and I do here. I’m talking about true kindness and helping those in need. No matter if it’s just kind words to an old friend or someone needing a extra buck or 2 to get a sandwich to eat. Letting someone out in front of you in a line of traffic. But Dave I’m sure you don’t understand those things. From your comments here you seem very selfish. All you can think about is yourself and how things affect you. You can’t see past yourself. Everything seems to be about you and your rights. What about the rest of the people?

          • Veronica

            It is not Mexicans VISITING the US that are the problem. It is the ones who sneak in without the barest of medical exams, then work in our food production for $3.00 per hour, less expenses (keeping down the price of lettuce) that create a problem. Our government is not protecting us.

          • eyeswideopen

            ELAINE, you are mistaken, the Dem’s won the seats in 2006 but didn’t take them until jan of 2007. Read and learn girl. You have the ability to read don’t you, I told you where to go to get info. he official record is available.

          • Elaine

            EYES!!!!!STAY ON TOPIC>>>>CAN YOU DO THAT? DUH!

      • Dan F.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axNCQo-t3Oo
        Propaganda & fear mongering at its finest
        Once awake you can’t go back to sleep!
        Problem Reaction Solution

      • Rodney Andregg

        Petie little boy ….your a dork !!! The Mexican flue started in mexico was spread by mexicans and if you haven’t noticed (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) there’s more illegals crossing to our side by thosands daily by far than any U.S traveling so get your (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) off mommies computer and go to bed little boy.

        • Martina W.

          Can you possibly disagree with others intelligently, without resorting to name calling?

          • libertytrain

            Martina – nicely said.

    • Dan Fi

      Explain how a virus can lay Dormant for 30 yrs and then just pop
      up out of the blue!!
      1976 fort dix ring a bell! Military base!
      H1N1 – this is a man made virus !! think about !!
      Wake Up!

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/the-great-swine-flu-boondoggle/?replytocom=34162#respond Brenda Marsh

      I don’t care where or why because it is here so now we have to take care of our loved ones no matter what.My grandson just got out of the hospital from having it,so like I said I don’t care where or why I just care that we find a real way to kill this.

  • MOMSRIGHT

    I saw hundreds of cars lined up at my local Kaiser. They were giving the Flu vaccination to people as they drove up in their cars! I latter read in the paper that over 9000 had recieved the vaccination! My doctor also is pushing me to vaccinate my 11 year old girl against HPV! I walked away from our appointment not getting the vaccination ordered. The fact that these vaccinations are largely untested, and that if something should go wrong we have no recourse should scare everybody! Many of us are so used to doing what our doctors tell us that a lot of people won’t even question it! When big money is the motivating factor you can bet that the truth will be suppressed! God help us!

    “In July the drug companies were given immunity from liability for the vaccines and the immunizations are about to begin with very little testing. Again, drug companies stand to make millions of dollars without fear of consequences if things go horribly wrong.”

    If it was so safe and so necessary, why would the drug companies want immunity?

    • Lisa Smith

      If we teach our daughters to remain celibate until marriage, there is no need for the HPV vaccine. I expect them not to indulge in illegal drug use…I think they are fully capable of not having sex until they are married also. Have those conversations with them all along — THAT’S the best immunization!

      • Pete Wilson

        Yeah, that worked out for Sarah Palin too didn’t it. LOL What a joke!

        • American Citizen

          Pete, that was an awful reply. There are a lot of us parents out here who told our children to wait until marriage as it would save them a lot of grief. The counterculture entertainment media and peer pressure as well as older men pursuing young girls works against parental concerns. I take it you aren’t a parent. And don’t tell me it’s nature. That says we have no such thing as self-control. The whole things is, girls have a lot more to lose than guys do who are sexually active in their teens. But I do not approve of that vaccine for girls. They’re even working on one for boys. Our children need better messages from “the village.”

          • Pete Wilson

            What if your kid doesn’t ever get married and is in her 30′s, are you still going to preach to her about waiting until she’s married to go for it?

          • Deb

            yes I would…. but at 30 the decision would be hers. Sex is special and life changing. It is more than a feel good act.

          • Michael J.

            American, Don’t worry, your daughter is safe from Pete anyway. I don’t think he likes woman from the sounds of it.

            P.S. I admire your point of view.

          • Pete Wilson

            For those that don’t know what a Zealot is. DaveH seems to think I am one. But I’m actually not Jewish. Sorry.

            Zealots

            Theology
            In their theology, the Zealots were relatively close to the Pharisees, but their doctrines had a strong focus on the necessities of violent actions against the enemies of Judaism.
            The Zealots could not accept any foreign rule or domination as they meant that the land of the Jews, Judah, only could be ruled according to the principles and the authority of God.
            Jewish religious-political faction of Judah, existing for a period of about 70 years or possible more, in the 1st century CE.
            The Zealots achieved fairly little, except to trigger heavy Roman control over the Jews and the closing off of Jerusalem to Jews. But they were the main actors in one of the central legends in Jewish history: the defence of Masada and the subsequent collective suicide.

          • Bill

            For all you folks on here talking about Bush, First let me say that he was no charmer while in office but, his policies did keep this Country safe for his remaining years. The administration thats in office now along with Congress persons and Senators that call themselves Progressives are nothing more than Socialist. You may ask, how do I know this? Well folks, I retired after 31 years in the United States Army. I retired as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9) which is the highest rank an enlisted man or woman can attain. I served in The United States Army Special Forces (Special Operations). I have personal experience fighting and identifying Communist and Socialist. For all you young folks that still do not believe the present administration are Socialist, then use your computers and do a little research, then you’ll discover the cold hard truth.

            One of the first missions to bring about Socialism in a country is to crash the economy, Government take-over of large business, then declare marshall law, take away all the firearms, round up and dispose of all the trouble makers, then enslave the remaining population, place then in work camps, ration their food and medical needs.

            That also means the young folks will lose their iPod’s, game stations, flat screen televisions, cell telephones and all the other pretty electronic toys they have become accustom to. So to all of you that support Barack Obama and his legions of Progressive Democratic Socialist, good luck on your march to Socialism.

        • Mike

          Pete, U R 1 sick puppy!

          • Pete Wilson

            Oh come on! We were all teenagers at one time. We all know how it is to be young and courious about sex. Everyone has the urges and everyone handles them different. Sarah Palin got up there in front of the world and preached her family values and religion but she couldn’t teach it to her daughter.
            My friend’s Grandfather told me a story of when he was young in the 1920′s about a Mennonite girl he was dating. They went out on a date and she took off her bonnet and through it in the back seat of the car, (which was a 1918 chevy touring car), and told him, the Mennonite is back there and I’m up here! So in other words if you need a translation, she wasn’t going to be a good girl that night. Now that was way back in the 1920′s so it goes to show people are people. You might think your little Johnny and Sarah are being boys and girls, but you have no idea. No matter what you teach them they are still going to do what they want. Isn’t it better to prepare them for real life rather than keep them sheltered? You have to teach them morals, but expect and prepare youself for when they decide to do their own thing.

          • Pete Wilson

            Why because I said what everyone is thinking about Mrs. Palin?

          • DaveH

            Pete,
            First you tell us that everyone has sexual desires when young and then you tell us that the kids are going to do what they want to do regardless of their upbringing (with your Mennonite example). Both true, as the sexual hormones are a powerful drug. Of course not all youngsters succumb to those hormones.
            Finally (and this is where you leave me cold, you Liberal zealot), you bash Sarah Palin for something her child did. As you said parents cannot control every one of their child’s decisions. So, as with most Liberals, your principles can be compromised at any moment if you so desire.

          • Pete Wilson

            DaveH,
            I would not “Bash” Sarah Palin if she didn’t take that goodie two shoes postion. She preaches family values and born again Christian stuff, but when it comes down to her family is just like most. She is no better than the people she is preaching to. I would have more respect for her daughter if she was trying to teach values and telling kids to think before they act because she is living through it all now and it’s no fun to be a teen mother. But they played the family role all through the campaign and put on a show. It was all a joke. I think her family is no better than mine even though she seems to think they are.

          • Elaine

            Hey Petey…why are so sooo afraid of Sarah Palin? LOL! you seem to be such an exemplary example of values….I’m sure you can handle a differing point of view…LOL! you just can’t stand that not everyone is morally challenged!

          • Pete Wilson

            Elaine,
            Sarah Palin scares me because she has no clue how the world really works. Plus she’s a quitter. She was presented with a choice, continue to serve the people of alaska as they asked her to do and she said she would do, or take the easy way to make a lot of money and pretend to write a book and do tours. I mean she could have waited until her term was up and then said she wasn’t going to seek reelection but that all mighty dollar took ahold of her and showed us all once and for all the kind of person she really is. Greedy and no morals.

          • Elaine

            Petey once again you are wrong in your thinking she did a much greater service to Alaska to leave as the libs were spending all of Alaskas tax $ to sue Sarah Palin for stupid lies proven to be lies over and over again! Maybe the big “O” should learn this lesson and quit wasting our tax$ to keep his records hidden! Now that would be a Blessing!

          • DaveH

            Thank you Pete for admitting that fact. Sarah’s family is no better than yours (or mine) and neither is Obama’s or Bush’s or any other politician’s. That is why I don’t want Big Government micromanaging my life. Even if they were better or smarter, nobody knows what the wants and needs are for any other individual. Whoever is in power, Republicans or Democrats, there is going to be a large portion of the population that will be unhappy. There is only one party that doesn’t believe that one-size-fits-all and that is the Libertarian party.
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

          • JeffH

            I just like a woman with a 7mm Mag and wears flannel shirts. Oh, did I mention Palin’s book has reached #1 Best Seller status off of pre-release orders, not bad huh? Go girl! Not bad for a dimwit air head that has gone “ROGUE”. Sometimes the fox outwits the hound.

          • JeffH

            I do like the fact that Palin has a connection with the “blue collar conservatives” and a pretty good moral fiber. Her “Rogue” status has a deeper meaning I think, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she rejected the GOP! She certainly wouldn’t go to the Democrats after their and the medias complete smear campaign. Talk about “throw mama under the buss”! Like I said before, sometimes the fox outsmarts the hound.

          • DaveH

            The fact that spoon-fed Liberals like Pete don’t like Sarah Palin tells me she must be onto something. Why else would they be so afraid of her?
            It is a well known fact that the most important part of politics is familiarity. The ‘intelligent’ class is bound and determined to make Sarah Palin a household name. The fact that the Liberals have blindly supported Obama through thick and thin has convinced many people that the Liberals have no credibility. Add these two facts together and you see that the Liberals might as well have been Sarah’s campaign managers. Oh yeah, the ‘intelligent’ class.

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, so you are teaching your children that if you make a committment and it gets tough just quit as it will be better for everyone involved? Alaska is happy she is gone, and her purpose of leaving was self serving.

          • Elaine

            I’m teaching my children to stand up to people like you …who want to turn this country into a lock down with no freedom to speak…or think for themselves…were you put on ritalin when you were a kid? You seem to think no one should make a decision that doesn’t coincide with yours….since I beleive in the first amendment go ahead and spew!!!!!!!Blame anyone you want! thats your right too! FOR NOW…since people who think like you are constantly trying to put an end to free speach…personally I love a debate:)

        • LES

          Hey Pete some children actually mind there parents, just because you did’nt or yours won’t well I’m sorry.

          • Pete Wilson

            How do you know your do?

        • Elaine

          Whether it works out for some or not …what we are currently teaching definitely is not working it is increasing the numbers daily! And Sir…we are also increasing the numbers of sexually teransmitted diseases! HELLO! is anybody home?

        • http://NA Johnni

          Sorry to burst your bubble, Pete – but not everyone lives at the mercy of their physical urges. I have two virgins living under my roof… 18 & 20 years old, respectively. They value themselves too much to toss their goods to just anyone or for just anything. Yes, rare to be sure – but then so are strength, integrity and self-control. It’s only for the strong but I guess you wouldn’t know about that – you said so yourself. Guess what… not everyone is as weak-willed as you.

          • Stassi Parker

            Maybe they are ugly and no one wants them.

          • Thurman Marcum

            Jonnii,

            Did you inspect them to see if they are virgins?

          • Elaine

            Stassi????I guess it takes one to name one…are you ugly? You sure are inside thats very clear!

          • Elaine

            vhurman i’m sure you’ve never seen one so how would you know…creep!

        • Rodney Andregg

          Say petie little mama boy you never dismissede any points from me about the border your comic books er I mean commie books are not true your facts are wrong and your a moron….Sara Palin is so far above anything you could every imagine in that short feebal sick twisted mind…strike that …pea brain you need to crawl into the small crack in the face of the earth and hide you piece of you know what….all you can do is come on these kind of sites and stirr people up with your crap !!!! You would never be man enough to go out into the public and try talking your vile sh^# for fear a real man would set you staight and knock you back to the 17th centry wear you belong and last but not least there is no H1N1 Flu let call it what it is ….where it came from and who delivered it here ….The Mexican FLU !!!! We can thank the present and past admins. that has yet to inact and close our border to protect Americans ???? WHY ????
          Corruption they want the latino votes for one and many many more reasons WAKE UP AMERICA !!! BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE TO ACT !!!!!~
          Speak out to friends , Family and unite !!!! DO NOT LET YOUR FREEDOM BE TAKEN…..Patrick Henery…stated “I have yet begun to fight” WELL wake up and fight for your rights now !!!!!

          • Pete Wilson

            Rodney, you are amazing. The rest of you wonder why Sarah Palin scares me, another reason, she attracts people like Rodney here. Now here is one vulgar sick person. So very angry. Mad as Hell. Has no clue why other than someone like Glenn Beck told him to be made as hell. Can’t think for himself and thinks the mexicans sent the flu here. LOL!

          • Elaine

            Pete… why? Can’t anyone have an opinion of their own without you or eyes or progressive libs like you…blaming Glenn Beck or Repubs or Bush ..get off that train…people have a right to get ticked once in while especially when they feel their rights are being infringed upon …we do have certain inalliable rights given to us by our Creator! Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit(underline Pursuit) of Happiness! No guarantees!

          • Pete Wilson

            Elaine,
            Oh you’re one to talk! I have rights to you know. That seems to be the problem. The few seem to want to make up the mind of the many. You want everything to be your way and don’t want anyone to have their way if you don’t agree with it. If people like you are not challenged we will end up in a dictatorship again.
            As for Bush you can’t ignor 8 years of what he did and policies that he made and the repulican congress went along with. Beck is out there scaring you into subbmission. Him and a few others are the ones that want to do away with democracy. They want everything their way and their way only. They don’t want other opinions just theirs. They are trouble and right now their main goal is to destroy this President and in doing so they are destroying America. Can you imagine how happy the terrorist are to see us bickering like we are? They want to see America fall, they have said it will fall, and now people like you and others on this site are calling for civil war more or less. The terrorist are winning because people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are trying to destroy the President and drive a wedge between the people of this nation. They are scary folks and have an off balance audience. Just look at the comments posted by Tommy Barns here. He’s nuts, but some agree with him.

          • Michael J.

            Pete, any male that disses a lady and a mom like Sarah does it because they hate woman. Do you hate woman Pete? You said children are all curious about sex. Who were you curious about sex with? A significant brother maybe? You are part of the anything goes, lack of a moral compass, typical Obamaphile and you don’t fool any of the adults posting here for a second.

          • Elaine

            Pete you’re just another pot calling the kettle black…allways accuseing…pointing fingers …I don’t give a rip what you do! I want nothing from you! If you don’t want to follow the Constitution that afforded your freedom(along with those who died) so you could spew your hatred of everyone that you disagree with thats your right! that is what I beleive!I will never force a Toxic vaccine on you yet you beleive I should be forced! Oh what tangled webs you weave …But we see right through your trash. The only people to be afraid of are those who will not see! Truth will set us free…….The people at the Tea parties were extremely civil and decent they have truth on their side …the protesters out side of the G20 meeting are dangerous…but then you were there right? No wonder you’re afraid!

          • eyeswideopen

            Michael J. you are so far off the mark, it truly is disturbing. Ok, let’s say that her looks make her qualified to be President. Does that mean every good looking woman out there is qualified to be Pres?The McCain team made a huge mistake. They didn’t realize that she has no political substance. I’m not saying, she doesn’t have values, she does. She is just not political savey. Hell, people on this site have had more and better ideas than she has been able to relate to us. She is a great cheerleader, but does not have the political knowledge to even know that the V.P. doesn’t make the laws.

          • eyeswideopen

            Elain, why can’t anyone have a different opinion about Obama without you and your crew getting hostile? What you accuse us of, is exactly what you are doing. LOL Conservatives are force!!

          • Pete Wilson

            Elaine,

            My memory might be fading as I get older but I don’t think I ever said people should be forced to take a vaccine. But if you choose not to take it and get sick please stay home so you don’t spread your germs around the country. You do understand how germs spread don’t you? From person to person and touching things like grocery carts and door knobs and railings and all that kind of stuff. Money, yup money has germs on it too.
            If I said you should be forced to take a vaccine I am sorry. But when your right to be sick infringes on my right to be well, then we are going to have a disagreement.

          • Elaine

            You don’t want to force vaccines? Then explain how my refusing them takes away your freedom to health…nonsense! and by the way if you haven’t heard Glenn Beck doesn’t pass laws!

      • Me

        And the young men. Mine are guilty.

    • Sharon M

      I feel this whole scare with the Swine Flu is one way to increase pharma sales & I feel if anyone takes the vacine which has not been tested that they could die from that alone or get very ill or obtain something harmful to your health for the rest of your life. I feel that the government has put the scare into all the public to make them feel that there is no way out but to get the shots. I feel also that the government may have also dusted over the whole world while everyone is sleeping with the virus causing people to get sick. No one needs to get any flu shots at all. I worked for a doctor who stated he would never get a flu shot because the one he did get years ago gave him the flu.As you said the vacines are highly toxic so we need to get the word out. I think God would want us to reach out to our fellow man & try and help all we can. God is giving us our wisdom so we can help our people. God bless everyone & search the knowledge God gives you whether it be through us or friends or family. God bless you all & keep strong & do not believe everything you hear from the media.

      • Pete Wilson

        I feel the only people that are really afraid are those of you here being afraid of the vaccines.

        • Elaine

          You know what they say about opinions….you obviously have no knowledge of the real dangers of quite a number of vaccines…do some research you may change your mind! And by the way none of us are telling you you can’t take the poison …yet people like you and our gov are planning and are in the process of forceing us to take it …soooo what is your problem? How Dare YOU!

          • Pete Wilson

            When am I going to be forced to take it? My doctor told me there isn’t enough swine flu vaccine for everyone this year.

          • Pete Wilson

            Now that’s no way to talk to Sharon. She’s probably very nice.

        • Dennis W.

          The govrernment is afraid of the vaccine too. If not why did they pass a law that allowed no liability could be attached to the manufacturers, any one disbursing the vaccine nor any one providing the vaccine. The essence of our countries liberty has rested on the fact that as a free person we are responsible for our actions. By protecting the Big Pharma guys they dont have to own up to their mistakes. I to am a Dr. that will not take the swine flu Its too easy to avoid with products like food grade hydrogen peroxide or clorine dioxide I’ll put my money where my mouth is .Expose me to the virus or inject me with it and I’ll nutrilze it in 24 to 48 hrs. I’ll put up a $1000 to prove it H2o2 has a 100 years of medical research behind it and 6500 medical write ups cant use drugstore peroxide must be food grade and properly diluted.

          • DaveH

            Just as with air-bags. They force something on the people then declare themselves immune from lawsuits when things go wrong.
            Of course, there are many other examples of Government hypocrisy for anybody curious enough to dig a little.
            Government is force, not reason!

          • Frankie

            What is the dosage and where do you buy food grade H2O2?

          • Michael J.

            I think Obama should vacinate his children on live TV by an impartial doctor. If there is such a thing? While we’re at it, how about all the members of the House and Senate rolling up their sleeves as well. We could call it “The peoples you go first agenda”.

        • Rodney Andregg

          You Petie…can have your flu shot and mine and all our family and friends….I’d love to give it all to you and people like you you talk crap like a mouse hiding behine a website come into the open in pubic see what happens to commies like you …..”Get out of MY Country” (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)

      • DaveH

        This is nothing new. Remember when AIDS was going to double each year? Remember all the knashing of teeth about the Ozone Layer? Remember Acid Rain? This is how Government scares the citizens into accepting their ever-increasing growth.

        • Pete Wilson

          Ozone is still a problem but you would rather worry about vaccines.

          In the past 60 years or so human activity has contributed to the deterioration of the ozone layer.

          Only 10 or less of every million molecules of air are ozone. The majority of these ozone molecules resides in a layer between 10 and 40 kilometers (6 and 25 miles) above the Earth’s surface in the stratosphere.
          Each spring in the stratosphere over Antarctica (Spring in the southern hemisphere is from September through November.), atmospheric ozone is rapidly destroyed by chemical processes.

          As winter arrives, a vortex of winds develops around the pole and isolates the polar stratosphere. When temperatures drop below -78°C (-109°F), thin clouds form of ice, nitric acid, and sulphuric acid mixtures. Chemical reactions on the surfaces of ice crystals in the clouds release active forms of CFCs. Ozone depletion begins, and the ozone “hole” appears.

          Over the course of two to three months, approximately 50% of the total column amount of ozone in the atmosphere disappears. At some levels, the losses approach 90%. This has come to be called the Antarctic ozone hole.

          In spring, temperatures begin to rise, the ice evaporates, and the ozone layer starts to recover.

          The Antarctic ozone hole was discovered in 1985 by British scientists Joesph Farman, Brian Gardiner, and Jonathan Shanklin of the British Antarctic Survey.

          The ozone “hole” is really a reduction in concentrations of ozone high above the earth in the stratosphere. The ozone hole is defined geographically as the area wherein the total ozone amount is less than 220 Dobson Units. The ozone hole has steadily grown in size (up to 27 million sq. km.) and length of existence (from August through early December) over the past two decades.

          After a series of rigorous meetings and negotiations, the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer was finally agreed upon on 16 september 1987 at the Headquarters of the International Civil Aviation Organization in Montreal.

          NASA/NOAA satellite data showing the rise in stratospheric chlorine and corresponding decline in ozone layer thickness from 1979 to 1997. As stratospheric chlorine declined in response to enactment of the Montreal Protocol, the first stage of ozone recovery began.

          The Montreal Protocol stipulates that the production and consumption of compounds that deplete ozone in the stratosphere–chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), halons, carbon tetrachloride, and methyl chloroform–are to be phased out by 2000 (2005 for methyl chloroform). Scientific theory and evidence suggest that, once emitted to the atmosphere, these compounds could significantly deplete the stratospheric ozone layer that shields the planet from damaging UV-B radiation.

          Man-made chlorines, primarily chloroflourobcarbons (CFCs), contribute to the thinning of the ozone layer and allow larger quantities of harmful ultraviolet rays to reach the earth.

          • Elaine

            And what is your solution Petey?..I guess another law to make us all submit??? Hey by the way the Glasiers are growing again…Oh and those wonderful light bulbs GE and our gov are pushing…they are full of mercury…where will they be disposed??? In the enviroment you’re so concerned about? We are all concerned about how we treat the enviroment and our fellow man…the gov impositions don’t work! Once again I say GET A CLUE!

          • Elaine

            And I can tell you would rather there were no humans left…Right?

          • Pete Wilson

            Elaine,
            If you don’t stop to think about the envirment there won’t be people or any other animals. It’s funny how people will move into a housing deleopment and then complain because there are snakes, skunks, aligators or whatever there. Thing is, they were there first.
            At one time Pittsburg was so polluted that at noon time it looked like midnight. It was that dark from all the dirt the steel mills were putting into the air. Do you really want to go back to that?
            Have you been to the grand canyon? When you look out over it, it is always hazy. That haze is from pollution. Kind of spoils the beauty of it some. Can you imagine how clean the air must have been before the industrial revolution? How clear an autum day must have been?
            Something has to be done to keep the envirment from getting worse. The united states must take the lead and we must get other countries to follow. If China doesn’t want to go along with clean air laws then we stop importing from them. Once they start to loose money by no longer selling to the US they will change their ways. But it will take strong actions from the US to work and right now no one in our government has to gonads to do it. They are all on the take being bribed daily.

          • eyeswideopen

            Well said.

          • DaveH

            Unbelievable,
            You are ridiculing those of us who don’t want our bodies injected forcibly with who knows what chemicals, and you turn around and whine about the dangers of the Ozone layer. Show me the dangers.
            The main danger in this country is the potential for tyranny that is being enabled by the Liberal government lovers. Do you think the German citizens knew what they were getting themselves into? Do you think the Russian citizens knew?

          • Elaine

            Petey
            Apparently you didn’t understand again…that doesn’t suprise me…I for one and most everyone I know cares and does their part for the enviroment to bad you think only you and big gov can make things better…cause almost everytime Gov (without the watchful eyes of the people) gets involved there is a problem created they didn’t expect… and you may want to ask what is being sprayed on the people the gov continues to call contrails yet anyone with a brain knows thats not true. They block the sun almost daily and resperatory illnesses are rampant! But don’t question the authorities as they only have our best interests in mind! RIGHT!

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, nobody is critizing anyone for not getting vaccinated, we are critizing the notion that anyone is being forced to get one. That simply is not true. The mantra here is, the government is forcing me to do something. Not true. You and your peers are just feeding the frenzied uneducated and unread into a fury over government. If they weren’t offering the vaccine, then you would be crying that they want us to die. Either way, the government can’t win. Your goal of a total collapse of the government, so that the Libertarian Party can take over is something that even the Republicans won’t allow to happen as they can’t and won’t accept gays or abortions.

          • DaveH

            Check Massachusetts Eyes. I’ve been around long enough to know that if you don’t step hard on that foot in the door, you may as well give up. Once a law is passed, it is virtually impossible to roll it back. Thank you Eyes for giving me all these opportunities to pitch my case to the fence-straddlers for a much reduced government.

          • Elaine

            Eyes…reeeeepubbbblllliccaaannnnns…..won’t let us kill our babies and teach or children about the wonderful gay lifestyle…..who are you kidding? Thats all you’ve been doing for the last couple decades! and look where its gotten us! Whether you belong to the demacans or republicrats doesn’t matter its how you treat your fellow man/woman pro-choice has gone way too far …babies are human beings…there may be medical reasons for abortion…and no one I know would object to that! but for birth control….who is the barbaric creep that thinks thats OK? As for Gays who cares???? Stay out of my life I’ll stay out of yours! Anyway I don’t go around forcing the straight lifestyle on anyone or taking the stance that they should be hated or abused as I wasn’t raised to think like that! I beleive you treat people the way you want to be treated! End of story! You might do well to learn that.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave since you believe that once a law is passed it is hard to roll back, why weren’t you and your crew happy that we can now carry guns in a Federal Park and on the trains? Oh, that would mean that Obama isn’t trying to take our guns away… but you and yours would not like that arguement to be taken away, would you? LMAO you all are silly.

          • DaveH

            Obama and crew are not dumb, just devious. The Bill that he signed just applies state rules to the National Parks in that particular state. This would shore up Sotomayor’s contention that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the states.
            Since the Supreme Court affirmed that the 2nd Amendment is indeed a right of the people, and since the National Parks are federally administered, the federal government would be bound by the 2nd Amendment (under Sotomayor’s ruling) thus there would be looser rules for guns then under the Bill.
            Understanding this statement is going to take a more careful read and thinking than you usually do Eyes.

        • DaveH

          For anybody who is buying into the Ozone bull, ask yourself this? Why does the government fight ozone as a pollutant at the ground level? Is there something artificially restraining Ozone from diffusing freely throughout the atmosphere? Oh no, Ozone can’t diffuse freely, it is only in a layer (sarcasm). But Freon could diffuse freely to affect the Ozone layer. Maybe Freon isn’t subject to the constraints of Big Government (more sarcasm).
          Pete, if you want to be a Big Government sycophant, be one. But don’t ridicule those of us who recognize the disease.

          • American Citizen

            Pete, those of us who are parents found that no matter what we taught our children, once they are teens, we have to let them go. They make mistakes and we hope they learn from them. We also hope they won’t be big ones that will affect the rest of their lives.

            Sarah’s daughter was talked in having sex with a young man she thought was going to marry her. But like a lot of men, when she got pregnant, he ran out on her. At least neither Sarah or her daughter had an abortion. They gave life to a baby they knew was Down’s and one without a father in the picture.

            We also have a daughter who got pregnant before marriage. She chose life for her baby boy. She and the father did get married. Our grandson is a straight A student, a member of the National Honor Society, an Eagle Scout and a terrific soccer player. We are so proud of him. Of our 17 grandchildren, he is so special. Just think what would have been lost to the world if my daughter had chosen to abort. But she also is a pro-lifer and she and her husband have 3 children now. They are all smart as a whip.

          • Pete Wilson

            DaveH,
            Don’t try to talk science, it’s way over your head. This is a typical response from someone like you when you’re presented with facts. There is a hole in the ozone layer. It’s a fact. It changes with seasons and has been getting bigger. Certain chemicals we use deplete the ozone layer at a more rapid pace.
            Low level ozone is bad for you health. Especially if you have lung and heart problems. I don’t understand why myself as I am not a scientist. But I do know that it caused by pollution, mostly from our cars. God created the earth with just the right amount of gases for plants and animals to servive. Man came along and discovered things that would make his life better not realizing the harmful effects it has on his envirment. I personally like the inventions that man came up with. But I think people are smart enough now to figure out a way to use those same tools with less pollution.
            At one time the United States was the leader in the world in technology and manufacturing and just about everything. We should get that role as leader back. We should set the example for the rest of the world. We should have the best of everything. The best healthcare, the best cars, the best military, and the best air quality. We should be leading the way for the rest of the world to follow. But we aren’t, mainly because of petty bickering over stupid stuff like being forced to get vaccinated. And Vacines have mind control stuff in them. Did you read the comments by Tommy Barns? That guy is a nut case. He is the kind of person that is following half nuts like yourself. The blind leading the blind so to speak.
            If you want to shrink government fine, but you just can’t leave thing hang out there for everyone to do as they please. How will you shrink government? What programs are you going to cut? You do alot of complaining but I don’t see any answers to the problems. How do you stop illness without drugs? If you know please share as I’m sure there are people dieing from cancer that would love to know.
            It’s easy to sit back and complain and say the government is out to get you. The truth is government does what they feel is right. Demcrats want equal opportunity for everyone. The want everyone to have healthcare, not just the rich. Their thinking is that government has to provide it for the people because individules that have it are basically greedy and won’t share with those who don’t.
            Dave, do you donate to things like the United Way? or donate food to a food bank or clotheing to thrift stores? If a homeless person asks you for spare change do you give it to them? We need more acts of kindness in this country. But when people don’t do it the Democrats feel it’s the governments place to step in and pick up the slack. Is the system perfect? Nope, it is abused and there are those that just want a free ride. What we need to do is figure out who the free loaders are and who the truely needy are and fix the system so free loaders can’t take advantage of the system.
            All in all we have it pretty darn good here in the USA. Since you seem to be so unhappy with it maybe you should leave. You know you are free to leave, At least until Rodney gets his way and the sut the borders down.
            The other thing is, the United States is a democracy, (sort of). That means majority rules. The majority of the people elected Obama, you may not like him, but the majotiy of your fellow Americans elected him to do a job. The most we can hope for is that he does a good job. But it seems you actually want him to fail. How American is that to want to see your President fail?

          • DaveH

            Pete,
            You are the one who wants to change this country. You leave.

          • DaveH

            Pete,
            I have two 4-year degrees, one in Biology, one in Mathematics, and several courses in Computer Science. 7 years of college total. Graduated with Honors. I can tell the difference between junk science and politics. It really hurts to have a nit-wit say I have half a brain (boo hoo). By the way, a nit is a louse egg.

          • DaveH

            And in case you didn’t know this (expletive deleted) ozone does not change its chemical composition depending on what level of the atmosphere it reaches.

          • DaveH

            First the numbnuts Pete says this:
            “Don’t try to talk science, it’s way over your head.”
            Then he says this:
            “I don’t understand why myself as I am not a scientist.”
            I wouldn’t expect Pete to be able to grasp the concept that government will use any scare tactics it can to grow itself, or that Ozone depletion is just another of the government’s political footballs, but I would expect Pete not to make dumbass statements like the first, when he has no idea what I know or what my background is. This is typical Liberal arrogance, and it is why I call Pete ignorant (sorry Eyes).

          • Deb

            “The other thing is, the United States is a democracy, (sort of). That means majority rules. ”

            We are not a democracy where the majority rules. That is the problem… people don’t understand their own country.

            We are a Constitutional Republic. Look it up.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, you tell, Pete, that he wants to change this country so he should leave? What are you trying to do everytime you state that government is force?,.You are trying to ignite the readers here to get upset.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave why are you wasting your knowledge? Since you have those degrees what organizations are you volunteering on? You want change, but you won’t actively work at making changes. I keep asking you how your party will downsize and you have yet to give me one example or time frame.

        • DaveH

          For those who want to understand the Ozone controversy more thoroughly see:
          http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv5n2/v5n2-5.pdf

          • American Citizen

            Geological scientists say that we are in a cooling period and the glaciers are actually thickening and growing. Our climate is due to sun activity, nothing man does can affect it. They say the weather is cyclical and we are in a cooling cycle.

          • JeffH

            Man has neither the knowledge or the time on earth to study all of the effects of nature. Can they guess? Sure, that is all they can do is make an “educated guess”! The global warming must have been terrible enough to melt the ice and create the oceans millions of years ago. Might have been the Neanderthals fault with their stones and mammoth hydes reflecting in the sun. They should have used white mammoth hydes, reflects the sun better.

          • Pete Wilson
          • Pete Wilson

            DaveH,

            At least I can admit that I don’t fully understand something. Sorry I dismissed allllllllllllll your college education. That kind of explains the no common sense and sef centeredness thinking you’re better than the rest of us.
            I’m not trying to change the country, I just happen to care about people in general and want people to have the opportunity to live a happy healthy life. What’s wrong with people being happy and healthy? You want everyone to die it seems.

          • Elaine

            Petey you must drink Saul Alinski! You are so insecure!

          • http://personalliberty.com Mark

            Notice how all of Pete’s referrences are government sites. Lead the masses like sheep.

        • DaveH

          Obama and crew are not dumb, just devious. The Bill that he signed just applies state rules to the National Parks in that particular state. This would shore up Sotomayor’s contention that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the states.
          Since the Supreme Court affirmed that the 2nd Amendment is indeed a right of the people, and since the National Parks are federally administered, the federal government would be bound by the 2nd Amendment (under Sotomayor’s ruling) thus there would be looser rules for guns then under the Bill.
          Understanding this statement is going to take a more careful read than you usually do Eyes.

          • JeffH

            eyes can’t handle the facts. Polly want a cracker?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, hate to tell you but Sotomayer has yet to make a ruling on Supreme Court. I hope they leave gun rights in the hands of the states. It makes more sense. I don’t want some uneducated, radical nutcase to come into my state carrying his gun and thinking that he can use “force” to interpret the law.

      • BOE

        Sharon…you are a complete idiot!! And the doctor you worked for is stupid too. The flu kills and it is a horrible death. slow organ failure. So don`t be telling people stupid things. You may be responseable for someones death.

    • Chris

      There seems to be a much larger side to this story. When you go back and check history and the remarks Bush made about enabling the national Guard to imprison Americanss for their own good and combine that with manufacturing fear about the HI virus that so far is tamer than any flu to date and you start to wonder where this is headed. I see it in no grater fashion than the made up attempt to take power through “Global warming” which has been cooling since 1998 and the world very possibly heading into a new mini ice age. This according to “Real” experts that will not profit from the control generated by our new corrupt elite. Anyway the stats are out there for anyone who is really looking to get real info. perhaps that is now why our govt. thinks it needs to control the net for out own good and enable “Free” thoughts and ideas. Wake up everyone, Uncle Sam is out of control and needs to go to a rest home. Lets put real leaders in power that don’t belong to the usual 2 parties who have created our problems and then stump to get re-elected to fix them.

      • Elaine

        HERE HERE!:)

        • DaveH

          Ditto.

      • eyeswideopen

        What, you say Bush threatened to round up all up? Never!!! Don’t you know that he never did or said anything wrong. What is wrong with you. You can just leave this country if you don’t stop letting things out of the “bag”. You Conservative you!

        • Elaine

          eyes…….LOL!!!!!!! you are so insightful! and always on topic! go girl! NOT!!!!!!

    • Ginger Lymbery

      How many of our self-serving, elists congressional representation are getting a flu shot. I think that the President, Ms. President and their two daughters should be the first to get one to show everyone that they are truly leading. Bet that is not going to happen. I am not taking the shot. I’ll take my chances with the swine flu itself, I think that will be better than the shot.

      • Elaine

        They would probably get a placebo anyway and make it look like they got the real thing…I don’t beleive anything that comes out of the WH anymore!

      • DaveH

        It’s no more likely than him sending his kids to the same public schools in DC that he doomed the former voucher recipients to attend.

  • KC

    This is OUR Trail of Tears looming on us from our own elected officials…not me or my house will accept this cool-aid

  • Deborah Castelli

    I was there in 1976 – and those who cry “see there was no pandemic!!” need to recognize that the immunization program was a critical part of the reason. For those who point to the fact that the death rate is not that which we normally see during a regular flu season I would point out; THIS IS NOT YET FLU SEASON. Here in Florida we have seen hundreds sick and upwards of 30 YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE die since June – and FLU SEASON HASN’T ARRIVED YET. Unless we assume that the virus will mutate into one which does NOT kill young people – the fact is that for now IT DOES. Lots of unsubstantiated claims are made in this article. Read it with a critical eye and decide whether to risk your life based on paranoid claims. And BTY – I am a lifelong Republican.

    • Elaine

      WOW… you were there! So was I! So then you are aware at least three times more people died from the vaccines than the flu! Wake UP!

      • American Citizen

        Elaine, go back and read that post. Those 30 people had not yet received the vaccine. It’s only becoming available this month.

        • Elaine

          I was talking about 1976…Plus the fact that the people who they are claiming to have died of H1N1..are not being teasted for H1N1 flu..so how do they dare tell the American public that this is what is killing people…actually you may want to check out http://www.healthfreedomus.org if you think no one has been injured or has died from this current vaccine…

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, once again you are wrong. They are testing those who die, we had two die last week, here in the Tampa Bay area. Our hospitals are using the swab to identify the sick. That foot must taste good.

          • Elaine

            Eyes…You beleive whom ever you wish I’ll beleive the DRs I know personally who work at the hospitals…I trust them.

        • eyeswideopen

          Good catch American.

    • Elaine

      The Hospitals and DRs where I am aren’t even testing for this virus the are just assuming and saying that these deaths are H1N1…. These are the FACTs! Fear causes people to panic and this is what they want …if you wish to take this poison …do so…but you nor this gov have the right ot force others to do so.

      • eyeswideopen

        Yes, fear causes people to panic, you and some people here are a classic example of fear, and it has nothing to do with the flu. You are afraid of someone who is different running this country. Like it or not it is a two party system and the repubs lost. But it is good for the Dem’s , if you all just keep focusing on vaccinations, gun control and the petty things that don’t have any influence. Don’t get the vaccinations, die, let terrorists have guns, die, you have the right to do that, just don’t take my rights away while you are setting yourself up for death. Listen to Dave, he has a party with some good ideas, very small membership but I doubt even you want to live with anarchy.

        • DaveH

          Hate to break this to you, but terrorists don’t care whether we let them have guns or not.

          • eyeswideopen

            I know they don’t care if we rent them planes either. lol

        • DaveH

          “just don’t take my rights away”
          Has anyone on this board said you can’t get the vaccinations?
          Where do you get this stuff?

    • Elaine

      And Who cares what political group you belong to! We are human beings we are not animals or slaves!

      • DaveH

        Good comments Elaine.

        • Pete Wilson

          One paranoid said to the other. LOL

          • Sicktoad

            It seems that you like to attack people for having an opinion, You sound like a typical Libtard. I’m willing to bet that anytime someone confronts you with facts you start calling them names. Am I not right?

            If you want to make a conservative angry, tell them lies..
            If you want to make a Liberal angry, tell them the truth..

          • Jason

            Quote: “Only the paranoid survive”

          • Pete Wilson

            Sicktoad,
            Facts are great. I’d love to actually see some here.

          • Pete Wilson

            Jason,

            If the world gets as bad you say I don’t want to survive. If you are right and it’s you people that end up running the show I think I would be better off dead.
            Maybe we live in the Matrix.

          • Elaine

            I guess you’ve learned your Saul Alinski tactics well..to bad they don’t work on everyone.

    • Kenjoe

      Hey Deborah Castelli, what pharmacutical company do you work for?

    • Kevin

      Retired neurosurgeon, Dr. Russell Blaylock has been warning against flu vaccinations for years. He has convinced me what a sham the whole thing is. Blaylock has his own column on Newsmax.

      The doctors I trust tell me to take Vitamin D3 during the winter months to protect my immune system. Most of us don’t have the sun providing the natural D in the winter months. I have never taken a flu shot, and have not missed a day of work in twenty-five years.

      From War to drugs, the way big business has partnered with government, protecting each other’s interests, I have no faith in government providing a safe vaccination for the public. In a “free” country I weigh the good and bad, and decide what is best for my family and me. I don’t buy into what’s best for “society”—that’s the collectivist mentality that you find in socialist countries, where people see government as their savior and master, and can be herded like cattle toward whatever program government decides is best for everyone—who’s really making the decisions, and for who’s benefit?

      Hitler and Stalin had their centralized education systems preaching socialism when they took power—the people were already pathetic indoctrinated cattle, ready to be herded. Look at the healthcare debate and how many Americans today actually think socialized healthcare is good for American, believing it is actually their “right”. Pathetic. All I have to say to them is Mooooo.

      • American Citizen

        Kevin, I also see those reports from those doctors on Newsmax. But have you ever noticed that they have cures for all kinds of diseases but if you want to know what they are, you have to buy their newsletters? If they were really all that concerned about us, why don’t they just come out and tell us? I take their advice with a grain of salt. We know by instinct what’s good for us to eat and what isn’t. It’s been drummed into us for years. By the way, I’m a conservative Independent.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, you are on the mark. You got a bullseye!! Way to go.

        • DaveH

          Maybe Citizen, they don’t want to give their good advice away for free like we do, lol.

    • American Citizen

      I agree. This is a scare, nothing more, about the vaccines. How many people have actually been harmed by them. It’s usually an allergic reaction to eggs, not the actual virus which is killed. It cannot cause the flu. If someone gets the flu after receiving the vaccine, it’s because they already had it when they got the shot. The reason the elderly are not first to get it is because we’ve had so many flu shots already, we have built up immunity where the young have not as yet. Here in Indiana, all those who have died have been young, between the ages of 5 and 22. At least, those are the only ones we’ve heard about. And there haven’t been that many.

      • azcIII

        I’ve read a few places that the H1N1 shot contains live attenuated virus and CAN infect others as the virus from the shot is shed for some time after the shot.

    • DaveH

      Deborah,
      And you have proof that the diseases were stopped by the vaccinations? How do you prove that? Its like religion, no way to prove. I have not had any vaccinations since the government-forced vaccinations of my youth (up to age 10). That was 50 years ago when the number of school-required vaccinations was much lower than now. I have not gotten any of the dastardly diseases that they vaccinate the kids for these days. Does that prove vaccinations don’t work. Of course not, no more so than people not getting a disease proved that their vaccinations did work.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, your arguement works the other way too. How do you prove that deaths were caused by the vac.?

        • DaveH

          Did you read the Health Freedom Weblinks I provided?
          It is easier to show ill effects from a vaccination than to show the benefits of a vaccination. For instance, if two unrelated and healthy people in a small sample size get a rare illness shortly after being vaccinated, it is pretty probable that it was caused by the vaccination. But if those same two don’t get the target illness, does that support the efficacy of the vaccination? Of course not, unless a vast majority of the others in the sample size who didn’t receive the vaccination caught the illness.

          • eyeswideopen

            Probable? Depends on who is doing the analysis, repubs or dems. LOL You are funny.

          • DaveH

            You aren’t.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, got your feelings hurt?

    • Frankie

      I was there also-in Germany with the USA. They told me I had to take the shot or I would get an Article 15. I took the shot and was laid up for over two weeks!!

      • DaveH

        The Zombies will just dismiss your comment Frankie. They don’t want to hear reality.

  • DaveH

    This is off-subject I know, but I think the Conservatives on this board need to understand where the Liberals are coming from. This is the kind of propaganda they are being spoon-fed on MSNBC by Lawrence O’Donnell.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csRyodsPtb8
    Notice the propaganda tricks they use – Showing small early gatherings to make it appear the participants are few, showing the most negative signs or T-shirts, etc.

    • eyeswideopen

      Hey, they are learning from the best. Repubs have always been excellent at manipulating the population and the media.

      • Elaine

        NO that has always been the job of the Progressives! Learn some History …Ooppps I mean American history as you’ve learned the Socailist history well!

        • eyeswideopen

          Elaine, you do realize that until the Civil Rights Act was passed, most of the South was Democratic don’t you? No, I bet you didn’t realize that.

          • Elaine

            Yes I do know that …but the majority were not progressives..nor were they anything remotely resembling the so called democratic party of today! Bet you didn’t know that!

          • eyeswideopen

            Honey, since I’m a republican I know my party’s history. You just don’t realize that today the parties are closer than ever.

          • DaveH

            Hooray! Finally a statement from Eyes that I can agree with.

        • DaveH

          And the man who freed the slaves was Republican. What irony! Now their ancestors are working to enslave the Republicans, Democrats, and the rest of us.

          • eyeswideopen

            God, seeks out his own justice.

          • Stassi Parker

            Yeah, the next thing you know we will all be in the FEMA Camps right?

          • eyeswideopen

            Stassi, Fema camps? Is that the latest hot button for you nuts? So silly.

  • DaveH

    Caution! Not for Liberal ears or eyes:
    http://www.glennbeck.com/conte…..198/31448/

    • DaveH

      For the companion video with Lawrence O’Donnell on YouTube:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v….._embedded#

      • DaveH

        Apparently I can’t copy links from other comments so here it is again:
        Notice the propaganda trick of overlaying her segment from the town hall meeting on her real-time response. The silent overlay might give viewers who didn’t know better the impression that she is angry and irrational when in fact she was very nervous and passionate.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_09xPF_9UjM

        • DaveH

          Listen to the video. At about 3 minutes and 20 seconds:
          Katy: “he (Obama) said… we will move to a single-payer system”
          Lawrence: “The President of the United States never said that”
          Was he intentionally saying “the President” because Obama made that quote before he was president? Who knows.
          At approximately 3 minutes and 39 seconds Lawrence makes a seemingly odd statement “Oh yeah, 3 years ago? OK”. You might wonder where that came from. Katy heard his producer saying in her earpiece “she’s right!” and apparently Lawrence thought OK was enough for the viewers to understand that Lawrence was acceding that point.
          And this is the kind of objective journalism the Liberals are listening to?
          Sickening. My heart goes out to this poor lady.

          • American Citizen

            The one who was lying was the interviewer. I, too, have heard Obama say, from his own lips, that by 2012 or 2013, we would be on a single payer system. And this from one of his latest speeches. I don’t remember which one, but this year.

          • s c

            DaveH, the ‘vaccine’ we need is a universal truth serum. It would eliminate human trash from being elected and re-elected. It would put newspapers out of business even faster. It would slam dunk all major TV networks. We would never have to vote for the lesser of two evils, and universities that produce two-legged trash would be forced to liquidate their assets and sell off all their properties. We’d also have no more TV preachers who think religion is a busine$$.
            More than anything else, it would put an end to the immoral ranting of those who preach leadership and transparency – on both sides of the political aisle. Unfortunately, it would take an act of God to make it happen. Sadly, we are infested with those who have no use for God or leadership or anything that defines true haracter. Whatever ‘sells’ becomes public policy – and ‘president.’

          • DaveH

            Now that would be even scarier than vaccinations, SC. Liberals on truth serum. LOL.

        • Pete Wilson

          American Citizen,

          You better find that speech if you want us to believe you.

          • Elaine

            I thought you said you watched Glenn Beck He has shown that video several times…I guess you fibbed…Awhhhhh.

          • Pete Wilson

            I don’t watch him every day because some days I feel pretty good and don’t need the laugh to pick me up. Why don’t you post it on here for me?

          • American Citizen

            I don’t listen to all his speeches as I could write them for him. Blah, blah, blah. But I did hear him say it, I just don’t remember when. It may have been during his campaign but I don’t think so. It was in one where he was trying to explain the health care bill.

          • DaveH

            Okay Pete, get your blinders on. You won’t like this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_SGGcJu_c

      • DaveH

        Apparently I can’t copy links from other comments so here it is again:
        http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/31448/

    • DaveH

      I apologize for the mixed up mess. Hopefully I will remember in the future that I can’t copy links from other comments.

    • Pete Wilson

      I love Glenn Beck. Whenever I’m having a bad day I go home and at 5:00 turn on Glenn Beck show on Fox. It always make me laugh so much I forget all about the things that have gone wrong. I realize that there are some people out there who are far worse off than me.
      He’s a great actor, trying to act all paranoid and afraid of the government. Man, what great way to release stress. They say laughter is good medicine so if you ever feel down just watch Glenn Beck. What a comic he is. LOL

      • Eddie

        Hey Pete you are full of it. Beck does have some very true statments if you think is so funny, just wait until the end and see what he means. I love my country, its the Government I don’t trust….

        • Pete Wilson

          The end of what?

          • Elaine

            The end of the tyranical mindset of the so called liberals…LOL…the only ones they liberate are their own bank accounts!

          • eyeswideopen

            Pete, you haven’t been on this site long enough. They keep quoting Jefferson’s “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”. Guess who the patriots are? Guess who the tyrant is? Yes, the patriots are those threatening to over throw the government and the tyrant is President Obama. They don’t even know the defination of Patriot. “One who loves and defends his country”. These people are insurgents, certainly not patriots. Patriots would die to keep their country together even if they didn’t like the ruling party. Yep. Insurgents gather here.

          • Elaine

            EYES!!!!There you go telling your lies again you think if you accuse someone it makes it so? The only one calling for blood is you …you disgust me!

        • Thurman Marcum

          Eddie,

          You mean Beck and George Bush tells the truth.Now I can have a good laugh.Ha,ha,ha and ha.

          • Pete Wilson

            Oh, Beck is really on top of things. Never mind all the money he makes by selling his book and TV and Radio shows to these people. They are willing to part with their money to buy his stuff and advertisers know this so they buy time on Beck’s programs. Beck uses the same tatics as Bush tried to use. Keep the people scared so they subbmit to your wants and desires. Beck makes millions and these people help him to get rich. Just goes to show all you need is good acting to get people to pay attention to you. Facts are not needed.

          • Elaine

            Hey Petey..there nothing wrong with making$..if you’re honest about it …Do you know what that big word means?

          • Pete Wilson

            Elaine,
            You’re right and if you want to give you money to someone who makes money by lying go ahead. Look at the millions the TV preachers and faith healers make. Now not all are bad of course, I always have to question the ones that ask for donations or have something to buy.

          • Elaine

            Oh Petey… I’m sure you can find it after all you’ve got the time!

          • Elaine

            You don’t handle facts well do you? The facts are definitely presented by their own words the majority of the time…to bad you won’t listen you might actually learn something.

          • eyeswideopen

            LMAO

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, I give you credit for acknowledging that Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker were not what the Christian Republicans should have been idolizing. It was a shame that so many people lost their trust and money to those two men.

          • Elaine

            EYES>>>You listen to them?? well there you go that explains alot…DUH and DUHHER! No body cares what you think…LOL!

          • eyeswideopen

            Nay, Elaine, I am a Christian who doesn’t believe in blowing smoke up someones dress or pants. However, you must not read too much or you would know how hurtful those two men were to a large number of republican Christians. I do unlike you, have compassion for those who are so trusting that they can’t see the bad in anyone.

        • DaveH

          Keep on laughing Liberals while Glenn Beck and others on Foxnews take apart one liberal organization after another. And keep commenting. The more comments you make, the more the independants on this board can see what Liberals are really made of.

          • Sarah Straw

            One has to ask, If Fox News is the only one reporting on certain stories, why?
            If you ask 4 people a question and 3 give you the same answer and the 4th gives you a completly different answer, who are you going to believe? This is what amazes me. People live by Fox News. But Fox is anything but fair and balanced.

          • Elaine

            Sarah when all the other stations are owned by the same people you just have to wonder…You know we bailed out Citi bank…AIG…etc..etc.. but do you know that those entities are backed by Shariah Islamic Finance? You can’t always tell what is going on behind the scenes…but pay no attention…while our young men and women are beig shipped off to die for others freedom…as we lose ours. Keep drinking the koolaid.

          • Sarah Straw

            Elaine,
            Yes, why do we continue to ship our young people to other parts of the world to fight for them? Why don’t we focus on ourselves here at home? Why did we send so many young Americans to their death in Iraq? Those people over there still hate us. Why did we fight for them? Why are we fighting in afaganistan? If we spent that money here at home we could defend our borders and our people against the so called terrorist. Why do we insist that we drop bombs on other nations and kill people and put our people in harms way? Why is it no one cares about the veterns when they come home. We should stop at nothing to take care of our vets. They deserve everything we could give them. But so many times funding for our vets is cut. We should never cut their funding to support and unjust war.

          • Elaine

            Sarah as a child of a Dedicated soldier I always respect and defend our men and women in the service. They give their all for us…you’re right they should get the very best this Country has to give…as for war…I don’t make those decisions and neither do you…but I can tell you many in Iraq are very thankful for our intervention and their opportunity for self governence…I wish we wern’t at war at all …how about we start careing about each other the way we want to be cared for? I for one don’t need anyone especially gov to tell me or force me to do that it comes from the heart. There should be justice for ALL..Thats why I Love our Constitution and thats why our brave men and women serve.

          • DaveH

            Sarah,
            That’s a great question, why is FoxNews the only one reporting on many stories? See my earlier post to witness a video of MSNBC style of reporting. They did slip up at one point in the video. They were trying to give the impression that only a small group of people attended the Tea Party. But one small group was standing in the rain with umbrellas. How many of us would get off our lazy butts (not me, not yet) to go stand in the rain and protest?
            I’m sorry to inform you that your 3 to 1 logic would have been well accepted in 330 AD when almost everyone believed the earth was flat except Aristotle.
            Just to placate Eyes, I will tell you that I agree that our country shouldn’t be the world’s policemen. Our forefathers wouldn’t have approved. However, I don’t hold that against our soldiers. They are just doing what they are told. Soon, we may all be just doing what we are told.

          • JeffH

            With you on that DaveH

      • Linda H

        Pete, after reading many of your comments…pray and ask Jesus to show you the ‘truth’ and He will.

        • Pete Wilson

          Beware of false prophits

          • Elaine

            No truer wisdom has er been spoken as you pray to the big “O”…how’s that workin for you?

          • Pete Wilson

            The big “O”?

          • DaveH

            Beware of people masquerading as intelligent when they can’t even use spellcheck.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, it seems when you have no valid rebuttal for someone, you then sink to the level of spelling, grammar, punctuation remarks. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you too have made errors on this very site. Why do you feel the need to correct people? Is it your desire to be a teacher, or is it that you just want to make people feel bad about themselves? Even you make typo’s which proves you aren’t perfect either. By the way, I don’t have spell check on for this site, I have to actually think, unlike you.

          • DaveH

            There you go eyeswideshut. Look at your last sentence. And you wonder why I pick on you?

          • eyeswideopen

            Red your post to Pete. You slander his intelligence, but that’s ok, because why? You don’t attack on the issues, you make it personal. You are so narrow minded that if someone is not a Republican or Libertarian you automatically assume that they have their hand in your pocket. You could get paid handsomely by the repubs to incite a crowd. What is amazing is that it is obvious that you have intellect but you don’t have the ability to intellectualize the opposing parties view point.

          • eyeswideopen

            I am giving you what you hand out. Except I will be nicer than you, as I am much less angry about my life. I don’t think everyone is out to get me, and I don’t resent the people less fortunate than me.

          • DaveH

            Eyeswideshut,
            I automatically assume that they have their hand in my pocket? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go to the Congressional websites and see which party is voting for the spendiing bills. There is nothing automatic about it. Here’s one of them (look for roll-call votes):
            http://clerk.house.gov/

          • DaveH

            Here’s another:
            http://www.senate.gov/
            And thank you Eyes for giving me another opportunity to lead people to the water.

          • eyeswideopen

            unlike you who uses spell check.

          • Stassi Parker

            He’s got like 20 years of college education. He one of those professional students that just goes to school. Because he has so much education he thinks he is better than the rest of us. He’s selfish and only interested in his own good and what is good for him. Don’t matter what the rest of the nation wants, just so Dave gets his way. And if he thinks his greedy lifestyle might change on comes on here to post his comments and show the rest of us he can’t be reasoned with and is thick headed.

          • eyeswideopen

            Stassi, well said. Very observant.

    • eyeswideopen

      Not for anyone who has common sense.

      • JeffH

        counts you out!

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeffie, so glad you are here. What’s new?

  • Elaine

    Thank You! The truth is so rare these days…www.healthfreedomus.org…www.drlenhorowitz.com…www.drtenpenny.com…are just a few. These untested vaccines are highly toxic! Americans WAKE UP these people are trying to decrease the population and we are going like sheep to the slaughter! GOD will prevail and so will we..but we need to WAKE UP so we can save as many as possible. The earth has no problem providing for even double our population…thats not the problem…its the elites in power that are afraid of our numbers as they can not control so many all at once…they have dessimated all the third world nations …conqured in… essence Europe…and now they must destroy the US to take complete control. Between the Greedy elites who think they are using Radical Islam to perpetuate their cause and Radical Islam who truly want to conquer the world…we are in a BIG mess. Love for our fellow man is the only hope to suceed. If GOD is for us who can stand against us? We are one! Help your neighbor …inform each other…treat all as you would treat yourselves…and we will overcome! GOD Bless This Country and Pray for the Peace of Israel and the world!

    • DaveH

      Elaine,
      Brace yourself for the Zombie attack.
      Whether the government is purposely up to no good or not, the fact is that it is our body and they are being contemptuous of our freedom when they try to force us to take vaccinations that we don’t want.

      • Elaine

        The Zombies are in full force pretty much everywhere I go …sad but true ..keep telling the truth ..without fear! Some do wake up.

        • eyeswideopen

          Elaine, could it be that the so called Zombies are in the majority and have decided not to take the crap from the radical right anymore?

        • JeffH

          You finaly admitted you’re not a Republican. WOW! A zombie.

          • eyeswideopen

            I told you, I will not fight for the party who has this type of radical in it’s membership. But I will stay registered so I can screw them with the surveys they send me every 60 days. So, I am an Independent, who doesn’t owe crap to any lying, cheating obstructionist who disrespect the middle class.

        • Elaine

          Hey eyes can’t take the heat ? Your a full long radical for sure …but once again I say NO BODY CARES what you think!

      • Thurman Marcum

        Dave,

        Not changing the subject a lot of Greek thinkers believe the world was round.Pythagoras,Eratosthenes and a few more.

  • Ann

    I will choose not to be vaccinated for this, at current I do not fall into the CDC’s recommended guidelines for priority. And even if I did I would think long and hard about getting it. I have felt all along that it had not had time to be tested yet. And I wouldn’t trust it not being able to protect you from coming down sick with the H1N1 anyhow. I went this past Saturday and received my annual flu shot for the flu season. I have in the past contracted mild flu symptoms even though vaccinated, so I truly do not believe this is fail safe yet.

    • Kenjoe

      That’s not surprising Ann as the last several years of vacciene were for the wrong flu strain! So it didn’t even offer the paltry 8% immunity that it would normally have.

    • DaveH

      Unfortunately, the children are going to be one of the primary targets thanks to our government-controlled public school system. Most parents won’t stand up to the coercive pressures of the school systems.

      • eyeswideopen

        Oh well, the parents have the power. Or do you now want to interfere with this issue and take the right away from the parents?

        • DaveH

          Eyes, when are you going to stop using the Liberal tactics of misinformation.
          I have consistently advocated individual freedom in my comments.
          My politics are pure. Are yours?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, I will quote you your politics: Government is Force not reason, Hand in my pocket, Big government is the problem, Liberals are wrong.

            What you don’t explain to anyone that you are trying to influence is that the Libertarian party is based on Liberal ideology. Thus the name LIBERTARIAN!!!! That is why it is so funny when you slam those horrible Liberals. LOL, LOL

    • CelticChik

      Does anyone else think it odd that more people die from the “normal” flu than H1N1, yet to hear the hysteria out there about H1N1 you’d think we’re all going to die tomorrow. It has made me very wary – that and the fact that the vaccinations have not been rigorously tested, yet they want to cram it down our throats. I usually get the regular flu vaccine, and also have my school-aged kids vaccinated as well. But this year, I think we’re gonna take a pass, on both of them. Instead, I’m beefing up their immune systems through diet and vitamins (and emphasis on washing hands, etc.).

      • Elaine

        Good instincts! Be wary…you have every reason to question the motives.

      • DaveH

        I think that Obama might be the best thing that ever happened to this country. He has scared the citizens out of their apathetic stupors. We may have a good chance here to get some of our lost freedoms back. It would be very refreshing to see the majority of Congress get thrown out.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave,
          I ask every day, name a freedom you have lost!! You don’t because you can’t name any. You are a fear monger. Oh, by the way the Dem’s are trying to get that nasty Patroit Act reversed for us, you know the ordinary citizen who had their rights taken away. You do remember that Act don’t you, you know the one Bush passed?

          • DaveH

            The freedoms I have lost are numerous. I’m not going to list them for you because you will just feign ignorance on the next board and want me to list them all again. I am like one of those toy cars that hits a wall and just turns around to keep on traveling. I just roll with the punches, but there comes a time when I have to fight back to stem the erosion of my freedoms.
            You know damn well my stance on the Patriot Act. We’ll see if the Dems roll it back. But it won’t change my mind on them. They have already screwed me, my children, and my grandchildren with their profligate spending.
            Liberals are going to lose this fight just like they did in the Jimmy Carter days, as they have made the mistake of stepping too far into the light where people can see what they truly are. Just as Pete and You have stepped too far into the light.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave

            YOU CAN’T NAME ANY FREEDOMS THAT YOU HAVE LOST!!!!! JUST TOO FUNNY, IF YOU COULD, YOU WOULD LIST EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM. LOL. LOL. GOTTCHA BUBBA!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, you have told us about your Democratic wife who screwed you, but to hold a whole political party responsible is a little out there.

          • Pete Wilson

            eyeswideopen,
            look out! We’re in the light! Oh no! Dave found us out. We are out to destroy him and his family! Eyes we’re had we’re doomed now. I thought maybe we could split his money. Darn foiled again!

          • Pete Wilson

            Let me see I’m free to work at whatever job I want, free to live where I want free to eat what I want, free to shop, free to save money if i want. free to own a home, free to make a phone call, free to stand outside the White House or capitol and protest peacfully. Free to pick my nose, free to leave the country, free to travel from state to state without paperwork. free own a car, free to go to school, free to decide not to go to school, free to own a pet, free to make babies, free to vote for the canidate I like best, free to go to church and pray to God, free not to go to church and pray to God. free to see any doctor I want, free to choose my own brand of gasoline, free to shop at Walmart or Macys. Come to think of it, I’m free to do the things I want to do.
            So Dave, Inquireing minds want to know, educate us, what freedom have we lost?

    • eyeswideopen

      Ann, so you normally get vaccinated every year? People on this site don’t believe in getting vaccinated at all. They think it is a government conspiracy to kill us off.

      • Elaine

        People on this site? You aren’t reading all the posts…people are questioning as is wise to do…unless you are a sheeple?

        • eyeswideopen

          Elaine, go read the Post called Vaccination 101 Why vaccines are useless, inefficient and dangerous. This one has been mild, compared to the above. Read and learn.

          • Elaine

            Eyes take your own advise!

    • American Citizen

      You say you got a mild case of flu even though you had the shot. If you had not had the shot, you would most likely have gotten very ill. This new shot is not all that different from the “regular” flu shots. Those who have died did not receive any shots as yet.

  • DaveH

    Whether the conspiracy theories are correct or not, it should be obvious to all but the most ardent Big Government apologists that the government thinks our lives are theirs to do with as they please.
    Here is a link to a site that follows the involuntary vaccination efforts. Thank you Natural Solutions Foundation!
    /

    • Elaine

      Thank You Dave<3

    • eyeswideopen

      OMG Dave, Elaine made a mistake when she was thanking you. Unless you have become Dave>3 and didn’t advise us. Aren’t you going to critize her?

      • DaveH

        I apologize Eyes if I have driven you to the bottle.

        • eyeswideopen

          No, Dave you have driven me to mimic you. This should be fun.

        • DaveH

          Please don’t. I have already told you that I don’t want you in the Libertarian Party. If you want to mimic my love for individual liberty then I will support that.

          • eyeswideopen

            Hell, Dave I’m acting just like one of your rt wing buddies, it’s my way or the highway and I own a gun, so there!! It is a good thing that you don’t review the membership applications isn’t it. Are you saying that people who want their own form of liberty can’t join your party?/ NOOOOOOOOOO can’t be so, exclusive??

          • DaveH

            You don’t have the foggiest notion of what Liberty is.

          • eyeswideopen

            Yes, and we all know only Dave,knows what liberty is and only Dave knows what is right for this country. Why don’t you run for office?. You are always telling us to start up our own insurance company, why don’t you run for office?

          • Pete Wilson

            So DaveH is telling you not to join his party. He doesn’t want you. He is trying to force you not to join, He is trying to take away your right to choose. He is doing everything he is supposed to be fighting against! Eyes can’t join the libertarian party because Dave doesn’t want her in it. What happened to eye’s freedom to choose? Where is her freedom to make up her own mind. Once again Dave proves he olny cares about himself.

        • JeffH

          DaveH..you can’t drive an “alky” to the bottle. You drive them to the bar or the liquor store. Eyes represents the anti-American Soros run Democratic sheeple.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, your buddy, Sheldon Adelson, the person who’s reputation is one who made his riches the fastest in the history of this country, by doing business with CHINA!!! Oh, and the gaming business in Las Vegas. To quote the New Yorker “Conservatives have heralded Adelson as their answer to George Soros” 6/30/2008. He has tried to get a Dem to change parties, promised her everything and when she didn’t he went after her, but guess what, the people spoke and she is ok. His sons both of them sued him on a business deal. Needless to say, they don’t speak. Just a super guy, who is trying to dictate to Israel their foreign policy. Another American trying to run the world. You must be so proud.

          • JeffH

            eyes…can you show me where it says he hates Obama or that he is the Anti-American socialist?
            The internet is loaded with the Soros Anti-American info. and his control over Obama and the Democratic Party.

  • Homer Sims

    This is nothing more than a world wide power grab to conform this country into the new world order! They can have their new world order w/a old world destruction! I will not subscribe to this order, it is out of order and I wany NO part of it! To hell w/the new world order! Money grabbers and control takers that is what they are, “Thy money persih with thee!!! Homer

  • baifeihe

    I encourage everyone to educate themselves about this topic of engineered pandemics and their origins, by reading the book entitled: Germs. It is not paranoia to question your government when it concerns your health.

    • DaveH

      Thank you Baifeihe.

  • s c

    What we really have is a pandemic of big government stupidity, corporate greed and willing hordes of braindead sheeple. To this warped mixture add a special blend of unscientific paranoia and a dose of induced fear.
    At least those barf bags at WHO and the FDA admitted that their vaccine has not been tested. If they need volunteers, line up convicted felons who’ll never see daylight. Line up politicians who want us to believe they serve a purpose. Let’s see what happens. Until then, uncle scam and his pimping losers can take their vaccines and stick them wherever it’s comfy. Does no one remember when Ford was prez? Say d u h !

    • DaveH

      SC,
      I think its much more than government stupidity. I think they know damn well what they are trying to accomplish. No matter how bad any economy becomes, the leaders always are comfortable. They are only concerned with money and power. They are proving that with this talk of mandatory vaccinations. After all, only the vaccine refusers will be at risk (if indeed the vaccine even works), so they would be a threat only to the other refusers.

      • eyeswideopen

        The leaders and the 52,000 Rich Americans who have accounts off shore and are not paying their fair share of taxes.

        • DaveH

          Then why are you encouraging more government growth, Eyes? It has been proven all over the world that the bigger government gets, the more corruption is created.

          • eyeswideopen

            I have never said I want larger government, I want more efficient, more responsive, and I want everyone rich or poor to play by the same rules. I am tired of watching the rich just rolling over us, to seek their own desires and if anyone breaks the law, off to jail they go.

          • DaveH

            Then who are we going to get to replace all those congressmen and the president?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, pretty confident that Obama, hasn’t broken any laws or the radicals would give up sleeping to get him. Congressman? You mean Ensign, Viter ? or do you mean all of the Dem’s? I know you would never condone removing a repub as that is your parties bed-fellow and the party you align yourselves with. I say if you are guilty regardless of party, remove them from office immediately, don’t wait two years because they need to vote with their party. I think maybe the change this country is looking for would be honest regular Joe the Plummer types..lol. Maybe they should run him for Pres.no, make that the V.P.

  • Marshall

    I served in Desert Storm. The Gulf War Syndrome that the government has never acknowledged, has affected me and my quality of life since. It appears that the anthrax vaccine we were forced to take prior to deployment is the common denominator for all of us experiencing symptoms of what is known as Gulf War Syndrome. I no longer trust the “government” to know or do what is in my best interests. I will trust my immune system fortified with vitamin D3. You should be free to choose what is best for you.

    • Elaine

      You are right… the French Gov refused to vaccinate their soldiers that fought along side of ours..and not one of them has reported this syndrome. Common sense has been lost as we continue to allow the gov to educate our children…now the big”O” and his obots wish to extend their dumbing down process (as libs NEA have been running the show for years) with more hours controlling our children? I think not!

      • DaveH

        I hadn’t heard that one Elaine. Thank you for your info.

    • DaveH

      Thank you for your service Marshall. I am sorry about your affliction.

  • bbstacker

    to Dorothy Deavers: Do our own landscaping!

    • Elaine

      Anyone who comes to this Country legally and wishes to get a health check… become a Citizen…pay taxes…obey the laws we have to obey..and speak English is welcome!

      • DaveH

        I would like to add: study the Constitution.
        Of course, then they would be more knowledgeable than our representatives.

        • Elaine

          Oh So True!

        • eyeswideopen

          Your beloved Fox news did a random poll three yrs ago, asking the person on the street the same basic questions that the immigrants had to answer to become citizens, and our natural born couldn’t answer who the first President was. So much for knowing our history.

      • Pete Wilson

        What country did your Ancestors come from? Were they forced to go through all that first? I thought you were fighting for freedom but now you want to force people to get a check up, learn english and obey our laws. That doesn’t sound like freedom to me. That sounds like do as I say not as I do.

        • Elaine

          As a matter of fact they were health checked at Ellis Island and they became citizens ..learned English..obeyed the laws and Loved this Country and the Freedoms it afforded them. They didn’t get welfare they worked HARD! and were proud of this Country. Where did your ancestors come from?

          • Sarah Straw

            were they forced to learn English as you suggest we do now, or did they choose to do so?
            You were talking about forcing people to do it.

          • DaveH

            I agree Sarah that English should not be forced. But neither should the taxpayers be forced to pay for all the political publications to be printed in various foreign languages.

          • Elaine

            Sarah they chose to because they were happy to be here they didn’t want to turn America into Europe…I personally don’t care but since taxpayer $ has to pay for all the special language literature ,signs etc..etc..I think they would choose to also…that is if they are truly here for freedom?

        • American Citizen

          All those who came through Ellis Island were not let into this country, some were turned back. Those who come today expect us to honor their culture, Why, then, did they come here? If I were to become a citizen in any other country, I would have to “do as the Romans do.” This country is becoming nothing but a bunch of do-gooders and it is not good for this country. We are losing our identity slowly but surely. The Mexicans say this country belongs to them, the Islamists think we should all believe in islam and obey Shariah law. Where dies it stop?

          • DaveH

            Citizen,
            I was at our local zoo with my gal and as we were walking we saw a group of Muslims coming towards us. The two women were dressed in full Muslim garb. One had a long black cloak-like garment with head and face completely covered. It was a pretty warm day too. I could hear the men talking angrily to their women or children (couldn’t understand them). I had to turn and walk the other way because I like to be congenial to those I pass, but I couldn’t bring myself to be congenial to anybody who would treat their women like second-class citizens. It sickened me.

      • eyeswideopen

        Something fun for you to test your knowledge with.

        http://www.msn.com/id/13442226

  • Tim WI

    My daughter was one of the first confirmed cases of swine flu in our area in June on return from a trip to Guatemala. She had symptoms (mild) for about four days, and was feeling fine when we finally got the results of the test. She was tested on a Wednesday and the next day the clinic requested a verbal that we would pay for the test if the insurance did not cover it before they completed the test…so much for concern of a pandemic???

    • eyeswideopen

      Tim, I hope she is doing better. All the insurance companies want is your money. We have become a society who doesn’t care about each other. You can tell, by all this hateful language we use with each other.

      • Elaine

        Eyes …and you’re the champ when it comes to hateful…GO GIRL!

  • George

    This is very interesting. Kevin I kind of take what you had to say, I believe you are right on.

  • George

    Vitamin D3 I think is a very good answer

    • Elaine

      Silver is also very effective http://WWW.drlenhorowtiz.com and hundreds of other sites can help with info…even though the FDA refuses to allow this info to get to the public at every opportunity as then their buddies at Big Pharma would lose too much $. The FDA hides behind the lie that they are concerned with our health yet for the most part they deny our right to health freedom and access to natural products …they are now also trying to stop Organic farming in this Country ..Its time to WAKE UP.

  • http://PERSONALLIBERTYDIGEST LU

    just say no, we have rights!! Everybody stand up and fight for your rights not to take toxic vaccinations. NY & NJ don’t show up to work and keep your kids home, I would if someone forced me to take poison

    STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS !!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Pete Wilson

      What rights am I standing up for?

      • Elaine

        Your right not to be forced …maybe you truly don’t know what Freedom is? SAD!

        • Pete Wilson

          Maybe I don’t because I thought all in all I’m free. Except of course for insurance companies telling me when I’m sick enough to get treatment and the fact that I must stop at stop signs. Wear my seatbelt and strap my kids in child safety seats in the car.

          • DaveH

            You dum-dum. If we aren’t free to decide what is put into our own bodies, what freedom is left? The freedom to do things your ignorant Liberal way?

          • Pete Wilson

            So far no one has forced me to put anything into my body. That’s what makes this all strange. I have not been told where to go to get my mandatory shot. Have you?

          • Elaine

            MA law now requires the shot or a quarintine and hefty fines… read the law it also states that they no longer have the right to assemble…what does that have to do with vaccines???? Now thats freedom for you!

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, why don’t you try to not use the word ignorant just for one day? It is really name calling when you do that. You know the other thing you call people out on constantly.

          • Bones

            To DaveH,

            You dum-dum. If we aren’t free to decide what is put into our own bodies, what freedom is left? The freedom to do things your ignorant Liberal way?

            So we should have the freedom to do illegal drugs too? I mean it’s my body why should anyone care what I do to it, right? But what about when I OD enough to almost kill me and I end up in the hosptial and rehab but have no insurance because I spent all my money on drugs. I will get treatment at the hops. but who is going to pay for it? You say I have the right to put whatever I want into my body, so I choose illegal drugs. But when I need medical care because of my stupidity for taking those drugs and can’t pay for it, I must also have the right to impose those fees on other users of the hops. correct? Because I have the right to choose NOT to cover myself. Correct?

          • Pete Wilson

            Elaine,
            where can I find a copy of this law?

        • DaveH

          Eyes,
          Pete got on my bad side early on with his arrogant ridicule of others on the board. Since then he has mellowed out considerably. So, I haven’t been giving him same in my later messages. As far as the use of ‘ignorant’, it means ‘lack of knowledge’, and I haven’t been able to think of how to state that respectfully. We all lack knowledge in different areas, so it is not necessarily an insult. However, as I admitted, it was intentional lack of respect directed at Pete. And I will not do so in the future, if he makes an effort to be respectful to others.

          • Pete Wilson

            There ain’t no way I will ever respect you you ignorant self center self absorbed stuppid over educated with no common sense people hating person.
            Ha!
            Hows that Pal?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, maybe you don’t realize it, but when ever anyone doesn’t agree with you, you are arrogant with them.

  • Keith H

    There are always other natural alternatives when taking vaccines.They make more money off of vaccines and drugs because they make you dependent on something you can’t make yourself, thats why the FDA hate natural pathic doctors like Dr. Group,Dr. Null and a few others, they teach you other ways to stay healthy,they have a 70% success rate.
    If you can grow your own medicine(HERBS) and don’t have to take their drugs, that would diminish their sales and profits, thats why they always dowmplaying Herbs and natural medicines, I wonder why…?

    • American Citizen

      Keith, we have a daughter who is very big into the alternative medicines and she is a nurse. But her children are always sick or have some kind of pain. They are not always as great as some say they are. If they work, it’s because you probably don’t really need medication. My husband and I are in our 70″s. We are on medications prescribed by our doctors and they are keeping us going. How do I know? Because of what happens if we don’t take them. People down the pharmas, but they do research that only they can afford to do. The reason we don’t have pandemics of various diseases is because of the drugs pharmas have developed. We no longer have to fear measles (going blind), whooping cough, diptheria (choking to death), being horribly disfigured if not dying from smallpox, etc.

      • Thurman Marcum

        American Citizen,

        I agree with you.We need inoculations.A lot of these alternative medicines don’t work.They are a rip off.

        • Elaine

          Alot of them do work…I am living proof…alot of drugs don’t work so should we stop all of them?

          • Thurman Marcum

            Elaine,

            Only those that proves to be a fraud.I had a friend who died from brain cancer.He was using alternative treatments.Most of these treatments simply don’t work.They are the brain child of con artists,who prey on hope and fear.Fear is the biggest money maker.It is like faith healing.It to is a hoax.There is no simple solution.

      • Elaine

        The point isn’t as much about whether or not Pharmacuticals have or are helpful..it is more about the governments involvement…private companies have a much better track record for coming up with useful things…when the gov gets involved to this extent we have no recourse when things go wrong. If you were told you could not have a say in your medications..or treatments don’t you think that is wrong? I have to say when my mother was living every time she went to the doctors she was given another drug..with each drug came another complication…she was hospitalized because Fosomax the bone drug caused her not to be able to swallow …they force fed her and she came down with nuemonia in the hospital and died. I will never stop questioning the need for pushing so many drugs on people who wish only to be helped…They have told us that Autism is not caused by vaccines yet the numbers continue to rise as our children are given more than 20 vaccines before the age of two. No one is saying we don’t need research ..but for Gods sake take it out of the hands of the GOV.

        • American Citizen

          Elaine, that’s why when a doctor prescribes a drug, research the possible side effects. They can be worse than the disease. It is still our choice whether to take them or not. When someone is on several drugs at the same time, it is wise to do research on possible drug interactions. Sometimes, one doctor does not know what another doctor has prescribed. Pharmacists can tell you if you ask them about the drugs you take. I know I have done that to make sure I won’t have complications from taking more than one drug.

          • American Citizen

            Also, do the research before you have the prescription filled. Just because a doctor gives you a prescription doesn’t mean you have to have it filled. I know I have been given one for a condition I thought was already beginning to get better, so I didn’t have it filled. The doctor is not told if you fill it or not unless you tell him/her. As for Fosomax, I think you are just as well off taking Os-Cal or one of those for bone health. Some people get the side effects, some don’t, it depends upon your system. I have cancer that has metastisized into my bones and my oncologist recommended taking Os-Cal. I also use skim milk, eat yogurt and anything else that is high in calcium. Every 4 months I have an IV of a drug (the name escapes me) that takes calcium out of the blood and puts it into my bones. I get no side effects from it or I would refuse it. Our health is our own responsibility.

          • eyeswideopen

            Hands clapping, well said.

        • Elaine

          American my mother beleived doctors knew everything yet you and I know they are only human too… I do research what I and my family take and we try to stay and eat healthy…I don’t profess to have all the answers..but I do beleive FIRST do no harm…that was and I hope is still our hypocratic oath…so Why do the powers that be (FDA) constantly try to shut up any helpful natural product??? I say follow the $…thats the only answer I can come up with I have many friends in the medical field and they are concerned with this issue also. Why can’t we use what we want there should be a mix much like what is offered at the cancer research centers of America? I pray you’re health will improve and that the choices you make are the right ones ..GOD Bless you.

          • American Citizen

            Thank you for your concern. My oncologist told me I am a remarkable case for someone who had breast cancer. I have never been completely free of it, but I am a survivor thanks to my doctors and prayer.
            May I suggest that if you are into the herbals, go to an Amish practitioner before taking any as they are akin to a doctor in their knowledge of herbals. They do a kind of physical to see what kind of herbs you need. The thing is, it takes longer for the herbs to work as a rule. Some people may take herbs they think are what they need, but actually make the situation worse. Not all herbs are equal.

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, the reason the FDA cannot ok, a lot of the herbs is that all the money is being spent on the Big Phrma companies, they do not want any competition from any natural products. Do you not understand that the Corporate Companies have a stranglehold on the economy/consumers?
            There are 6 healthcare lobbyists for every person in Congress. The Herbal business doesn’t stand a chance.

      • DaveH

        Citizen,
        I completely recognize your right to choose the best course for your own life. I have cured many of my health problems with supplements. I won’t go into the gory details, but I know for a fact that they worked for me. And it wasn’t the placebo effect as I tried numerous supplements that didn’t do me any good. In fact, doctors have done my family more harm than good over the years. That is not an indictment of doctors. I just think the human body is too complex for anyone to fully grasp the problems and the cures.
        What we are fighting for here is to stop Big Government from using their force against us. Big Government is the problem, not the solution.

        • American Citizen

          Read my reply to Elaine above this one. I know that there are alternative medicines out there as when I was going through chemo, my daughter took me to an Amish practitioner. She had me take a teaspoon a day of a liquid “elixir” which was a combination of several herbs. All I know is, I got through the chemo without losing my hair (thinned some) or getting violently ill. My oncologist was amazed. I told him what I was doing and he said I could take all the herbs I wanted to take. A lot of the drugs the pharmas come out with may have an herb as the base medicine. Years and years ago, before doctors and pharmas, practioners used herbs for healing. Some worked, others didn’t. Research has never been done on them. Even so, we are told not to take certain herbs along with certain drugs. They may have counter effects or enhanced effects that make it too strong.

          • DaveH

            I wish you the best Citizen.

        • eyeswideopen

          There we go again, Big government and their force. Still waiting for you to tell me your freedoms that you have lost.

          • Pete Wilson

            I’ve notice DaveH doesn’t like to explain himself. Just cry about big government, force and loss of freedom. Guess they didn’t get to explainations yet in his how to create civil war 101 class. Or maybe he missed class because he was sick! LOL

      • eyeswideopen

        American, the big Phrmas don’t do the research. The National Institute Of Health, gives grants to the universities and the universities in turn get the patents. It is our tax dollars that the NIH spends and we the taxpayer are underwritting the research. If you want more info, let me know and I will go and dig up the link for you.

        • DaveH

          I appreciate the offer Eyes, but am not interested. What I would like to see is a National Referendum every four years to set the annual Federal expenditures (with no borrowing allowed). Then the politicians could determine how the money would be spent. That wouldn’t solve all of our problems, but it would help to stop them from all that reckless spending.

        • Elaine

          Yes Grants are given but I have to refute that is the only way vaccines or other drugs have been created… you may want to examine your motive for suggesting that.

        • American Citizen

          Eli Lilly has its own R & D department.

  • Rodney Andregg

    Beware of False Profits……OK..Then Youre not Pete Wilson but SANTIN HIMSELF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Pete Wilson

      Rodney Andregg,
      I’m not the one trying to predict the future here.
      I think you might actually be the child here. It seems you very angry with this debate. Usually people get angry when they have been proven wrong and see no other course of action. Is that how you’re feeling there Rodney?
      What kind of job do you have?

      • Elaine

        Are there any jobs? Cheeshish…you are unbeleivable!!!!

        • Pete Wilson

          I have a job. My friends have jobs. You just have to look. Of course if you really don’t want to work it’s harder to find a job. Most times employers expect you do what they want you to do when you have a job.

          • Elaine

            Have you ever had a business? Don’t profess to know that I don’t have a job … I have worked all my life and continue to work without gov hand outs unfortunately I am unable to employ the numbers of people I used to thanks to the direction people like you have taken this Country …You think employers are the bad guys…anybody who chooses to better themselves and not become one of the giant /unions/gov goons must have their income redistributed…cause of course we don’t have the brains to spend it ourselves we should let someone else make those decisions… Well let them take the sacrifices too! NO you don’t want to work for your $ when you can take it from someone else! If you don’t like the insurance you have get a different insurance! Once the gov controls it it won’t matter whether you like it or not …you will no longer have a choice…anyway its not about healthcare..its about Control…you seem to want to control others…why don’t you start with yourself? Lets spend your money…I think thats a great idea!

          • American Citizen

            There are jobs out there that businesses have a problem filling because they can’t find people who have the necessary skills or knowledge.

      • Rodney Andregg

        Hey Petie,

        Youre right I’m mad at you but you haven’t proven diddy here on this site except to be the odd man out in case you haven’t noticed moron nobody like what you represent ….which is commie fashish positioning against all good that you say is bad….so little boy sell your goods to another country these people and Myself will never agree with you your getting your facts from Commie Books so take your swollen ego and get down the road you don’t want any part of these Special Forces you could take it….Now go to your room and stand in the corner untill I tell you to come out….

        • American Citizen

          Rodney, there are better words in the dictionary. Name calling is inexcusable.

          • Rodney Andregg

            You Mean you wished you were a “American Citizen” No One appointed you to judge me(WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)….play with someone you can (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)

        • eyeswideopen

          Don’t be angry with success, be angry with the people who are keeping you down trodden. Jealousy is a green monster who will eat you up.

    • Thurman Marcum

      Rodney,

      You better learn how to spell.

      • Rodney Andregg

        I’m so upset with Petie I don’t care about typo’s …I’m a real man and can prove that anytime without play with key and spell check any without playing with myself like you and Petie …..now you go to your room too and stay there till I say you can come out !!!!!!!!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Yep, you definately belong to the Rt wing of the Republican Party. They must be so proud.

          • Elaine

            Broken records!!! rt wing repubs blah blah blah its nausiating!

    • DaveH

      I guess what Pete was referring to was the false profits of the Big Pharma companies that are using government to sell their products.
      It’s possible he just doesn’t know how to spell and he really meant ‘false prophets’.

      • eyeswideopen

        He is probably referring to the 200 billion dollar profits the Big Phrma is making off of the Medicare Advantage Act.

  • Marcelo S. Willett

    Best protection against flu, any kind of flu is a simple domestic receipe>

    take a tooth of garlic, sclized it in small parts, swallow it with water or juice (DO NOT BITE IT) – TAKE GARLIC DURING 15 DAYS, ONCE EVERY (6) SIX MONTHS. Best time to intake is early in the morning!!!

    I garanty YOU WILL NOT get ill!!!!!

    Spread the word to ALL your friends.

    • American Citizen

      Probably because nobody wants to get close enough for you to catch it.

      • Pete Wilson

        That actually makes sense. The best defense from getting sick is to stay home locked inside your house and no contact with anyone. Germs get pasted from person to person. Going to the mall or shopping center is always a good chance to get sick. Even church with all those people in one room. Air plane rides will certainly get you sick. If you could teach people to stay home when they are sick that would be great, but our life style doesn’t allow it. Therefore we need other forms of protection such as vaccines because we don’t and won’t stay home when sick.

        • DaveH

          Pete,
          We have gone from a nation of rugged pioneers to a nation of wimps in just 230 years.
          People won’t even tolerate the risk of catching a common cold these days and have no problem ragging on their fellow man for exposing them to that dastardly (and unavoidable) illness.
          If you get your vaccination, then you won’t have to worry whether others stay in their house or not, will you?

      • Elaine

        Just take another pill!!!! maybe a red one? how about this pretty little blue one? theres so many to choose from …why is it that the law suits for deaths and serious drug injuries are so prevelant? Just give your kids anti depressants…oh and you take them too then you won’t have a clue what their doing to you!The need for these types of remedies is very small in comparison to the masses that are convinced they need them. Put the Flouride in the water system even though it was created to keep the concentration camp prisoners during WWII in a fog so they could easily be managed…now they even have it in nursery water..

        • American Citizen

          My oncologist wants me to have an MRI that involves six different “tests”, three without dye and three with. I have a problem with the first one and I don’t know if I’m going to go through the next five. I will make that decision after I see my cardiologist and see what he says. Cancer treatments can affect you heart, which happened to me. So I’m careful as to what I want to do. The oncologist knows where the cancer spots are and wants to know how stable my bones are which the MRI would show. But I’m just not sure if it’s necessary to go through it.

          • eyeswideopen

            Good luck, sweetie, hope everything works out for you. I would get a second opinion, I have a problem with the dyes too.

  • Rodney Andregg

    GO GET A JOB !!!! Collecting welfare and using the computer isn’t goiung to make you a man …..Go to work !!!!

    • Pete Wilson

      Rodney Andregg,
      Who are you talking to?

      • Rodney Andregg

        Say Petie……..I’m talking to your (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) that on this site that is speaking against the truth !!! Making up stories and rambling “Hate and Discontend” to everybody …If you hate all you talk about get out of america go live in Mexico or Russia or whatever but you have Everybody Laughing at your (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) statements and I nor anyone else will believe you or what you say so go pound salt.

        • Pete Wilson

          I always thought it was go pound sand. Maybe thats just used here at the ocean.

  • susan

    Its just all talk! The Flu is more dangerous when its manufactured in an injection that if you get the real naturla way! Its just how the Government is helping the Drug Companies get rich! And how they want to kill off the weaker people! Its discriminatory of the President to kill off the weak when its manufactured! I will refuse to take it and pay for anything that supports this President! Hes the Biggest oen you ahve to be afraid of. Not one person has control over everyone! Thats a Dictatorship and we still have rights in this country! Go to Hell Obama!

    • Pete Wilson

      Where do you get your info? I must be missing something.

      • Elaine

        You certianly are!LOL!!!

      • Rodney Andregg

        Yeah….Your Missing Brains and common sence …PETIE !!!!~

      • Pete Wilson

        but yet no proof of anything. Imagine that.

        • Elaine

          You’re the only proof we need ..LOL!

    • American Citizen

      Susan, you cannot get the flu from the flu shots as they use a killed virus. If you get sick after the shot, you are ether allergic to the base or already were getting sick when you got the shot. Your immune system cannot tell the difference between a live virus and a dead one and will react to both to try to kill it.

      • American Citizen

        Even so, it is your right to get or not get the shots. As for me, I didn’t get one last year and don’t plan to this year as I’ve already had so many and have also had the flu so I’m betting on my immune system will fight them off if any of those bugs find their way into my body. And I also plan to do what I can to ward them off, such as being careful not to get close to anyone who exhibits signs of being ill and hand washing, eating Vitamins and minerals, etc.

      • DaveH
    • Rodney Andregg

      Right On Susan !!!! You are 150% correct and The Flu shot cool-aid isn’t going to be used in all of our family and friends They should gather it all up and inject OBAMA and Petie with all of it…They are the (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)Pushers….Frickin Freaks.

  • American Citizen

    Good grief, talk about paranoid!!

    • DaveH

      Citizen,
      Who knows? I can think of all kinds of possibilities, including dirty tricks to make the rest of us look bad.
      I do know that I was married to a smooth-talking chronic liar for 13 years, who took up with the next door neighbor thus destroying two families. When I told my father that we were getting divorced his first statement was “What did you do now?”. Those who only knew her casually had no idea how dishonest she was.
      I wouldn’t put anything past those that seek power over our lives.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, was she the Democrat?

        • DaveH

          She didn’t vote. She was a people pleaser though, poor thing. I mean that sincerely. So, I suspect that she would have been easily manipulated.

        • Elaine

          Blah blah blah….of course everything is about the two parties blah blah blah….

      • Stassi Parker

        Of course you had nothing to do with it huh? Usually it takes 2 for a relationship to go bad. If she was running around with someone else she wasn’t getting what she needed from you.

        • Deb

          No that is just bull. If someone is running around then they made a bad and hurtful decision. End one relationship before you begin another. It’s called integrity. You either have it or you don’t.

      • Pete Wilson

        His father said, What did you do now? Hmmmmmmmmmmm kind of makes it sound as though our friend Dave has had trouble with people for quite a while. Even his pop knew how he acts towards others.
        That’s a shame.

    • eyeswideopen

      I agree with you American. Unbelievable.

  • European

    Im in Sweden and all kids are getting this shot from the schools, they will all go by bus and get it. I have to sign a paper or if I dont sign she wont get it…help ? I dont know what to do? after reading all this I dont think I want her to take it?
    But what if she would then get it ….I would never forgive myself for not letting her take it….it seems all other parents and all kids are going to take it??
    Is there a website somewhere I can read more about this-that I can recommend to the other parents, there is a parenting meeting tomorrow nite(tuesday)…ANYONE out there that can HELP me with some more concrete informative website ???
    I would be grateful,
    Marina

  • Tommy Barns

    It’s starting! It’s Starting! OMG Stay out of Indiana, they are going to be controling the minds of health care workers there! It’s starting!

    INDIANAPOLIS — A group of Indiana health care workers is among the first in the nation to be vaccinated against the swine flu.

    Officials in Indiana and Tennessee set events for Monday to administer nasal mist doses of the swine flu vaccine to doctors, nurses, emergency medical workers and other health care professionals who work directly with patients.

    Indiana’s first dose was administered to Dr. Charles Miramonti, an emergency room physician at Wishard Memorial Hospital in Indianapolis. He was given the FluMist vaccine in front of a bank of television cameras at an event attended by Gov. Mitch Daniels.

    Initial shipments of the nasal mist vaccine are so small that in most cases they’re being reserved for health workers.

    • DaveH

      Tommy, I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or serious. If serious, you need to tone down your opening statements as you have opened yourself up to the Zombies with that kind of hyperbole.

      • Tommy Barns

        I’m seriuos man! This is going to happen. I just know it. The government is going to force me to take that crap. I bet they show up and tell me they are with the census or something and then stick that needle in me. OMG I can’t believe this really happening!

        • eyeswideopen

          LMAO, very funny.

    • American Citizen

      Did he have a reaction, did he get the flu? They want health care workers to get the shots as they work with people who are already ill or with babies and children who are most vulnerable. All those who have died from this flu were either young whose immune systems had not yet been exposed to the flue or had underlying infections.

  • Mike Braown

    What kind of people are they who make this stuff up? What kind of paranoid mindset is responsible for this kind of fiction being continually thrown out there? Schools, various states, and the federal government may recommend immunizations for H1N1, but no official in the federal government is talking about mandating it. And, why would any liberal Democrat be promoting anything which is unnecessarily advantageous to Big Pharma? They represent a part of the health care industry that Dems have been fighting for years. A government whose constitution stipulates that its purpose is to promote the general welfare and does so by mass producing a flu vaccine is not taking a step toward government tyranny. Good God! Get a life!!!!!!

    • Tommy Barns

      Yes they are, they want to control are minds! The constitution don’t say that either. You’re wrong. They are going to take over are minds and we will all vote democrat and democrats will have control in government and they are going to take over and force us to do stuff and if we don’t do it they are going to put us in fema camps like hitler to the jews. God help us all!

      • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

        Man are you for real?? I guess when you wrote contro; are minds, you meant control our minds!! See this is what the Right Wing Commies want the Americans to believe, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. If you care to look the Democrats are already in control in the Senate, House of Represenatives and President. Haven’t seen any fema camps yet. What has the Democrats forced you to do? You got to have a mind before someone can control it. Which did Hitler kill the most of, Jewish or Russian People? Where are the fema camps going to be located? I am sure a lot of un-employed Americans, who lost their jobs during bush’s administration, would like to move close to them so they could get jobs help building them and then as guards, cooks, dishwashers, etc., once the fema camps are built!! How are people going to be selected to go to these camps, my age, sex, race, political party members or how? I see some one has already took control over what little mind you have left. I guess you don’t believe President Obama has a Birth Certificate either do you? You must watch fox lies oh I meant news everyday. They are the ones that are spreading all these lies along with Russ Limbaugh and you take them all and add up their IQ’s and it would be above 75. You need to watch MSNBC News one night, starts at 5:00pm with Chris Matthews and Hardball. Watch it one night and see if you don’t change your own mind about several lies that have been started by the Right Wing Commies!! How many Americans did bush/cheney get killed in Iraq? How many did they tortured to death, which is against all International Laws. What about that? What about cheney hiding in a bunker on the 9-11 attack, or getting deferred 5 times to keep from going to Viet Namn and bush going AWOL to keep from going. Talk about some lies from the past 8 years of bush/cheney. They and rumsfels, rowe, rice were the biggest liars ever in the White House. Speak the truth my man, not something someone told you they saw on the internet. As they say “The Truth Will Set You Free” try it and see!!

        • DaveH

          Don’t slam the Internet Herb. Without it and FoxNews, they may get away with a takeover.
          If you are too naive to know that what happened in USSR or China or Venezuela or Germany (need I go on?) can happen here also, at least spare us from your ridicule. See the videos that I posted from MSNBC and then do some independent research on the subject (Town hall Meetings, Etc.) and then tell me who the liars are.
          Of course, if you are a government employee, or just a Big Government Sycophant, I am wasting my time trying to wake you up.

          • eyeswideopen

            It can only happen here, if the Repubs get their way and have one party, one religion and one Leader. I agree, it might happen here and it would the right wingers fault. They can’t accept any other ideas, but their own. Brown shirts for everyone.!!!

          • Elaine

            Eyes are you a plant? Tell the truth!!!!

          • DaveH

            Probably. Maybe Eyes is Maureen Dowd. She has said she has red-hair and is middle-aged. Or maybe she is with ACORN or SEIU. Liberals are famous for their misinformation techniques.

          • DaveH

            Maybe she was a cast member of “After Sundown” who got so involved in her method acting that she still can’t break free of the Zombie personality.

        • Elaine

          Chris Mathews tells the truth???? That will be the day! I would love to see that!

          • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

            Mary, you need to join in each day M-F and watch his program. He is a moderator. He tries to get his guest to come clean on something they have said and denied, done and denied, etc. He really doesn’t say a lot accept make his guest come clean and he puts the pressure on them until they either do or beat around the bush enough to know he has caught them. I don’t know which Chris Matthews you are talking about, but it cannot be the one on MSNBC Hardball!!

        • Tommy Barns

          Hey Man, I’m telling you there gonna come get us! It’s all Glenn Beck talks about how Obama is going to make us all talk russian and put all the republican or anyone who disagree with him in a fema camp. It all starts with these vaccines and they control our mind to vote democrat. then if you vote republican they will no cuz its all on computer now and they will come get you. They will say they are rrom census but really there are not. They will come back next day with a black SUV and take you away. I can’t believe it’s really happening. MSNBC lies, they are part of the Obamaplot to take over the world. He was actually born in Russia or china I think. Hes not one of us. He’s here to take over. It starts with forcing us into vaccines see, it started today.

          • eyeswideopen

            Well, then you need to run and hide. Don’t worry we won’t even tell them that you have been on this site….. LOl, Lol Lol. Glen has done his job well.

      • Thurman Marcum

        Tommy,

        What mental hospital did you come from ?

    • DaveH

      Mike,
      “Get a Life”? Come on. If you want to be an enabler, fine, but at least educate yourself first. Watch this video:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_oD55WvDmM&NR=1

    • eyeswideopen

      Mike, their lives are now committed to attacking Obama and the Dem’s in any way possible. You should read some of the Posts involving guns. Those are really funny, as gun owners can now carry on Amtrac and a Federal Park. You would think that would show that Obama is not trying to take away the guns, but no, they just ignore that and compose these conspiracy theories. It would be funny, if it wasn’t so tragic.

      • Elaine

        Saul Alinski would be Proud of you!

      • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

        Eyes, I agree with you 100% on this. Glad I finally found at least one post today that I can agree with!!

        • Elaine

          What kind of Herb are you smoking?

    • Elaine

      They most certainly are talking about mandating there are laws on the books Check MA & OK and more being pushed all across this country…the gov has been hiring for internment/resettlement officers since July…thats what they called it back in WWII resettlements…WHY??? Thats all I want to know…WHY??? give a straight provable answer for this…I’m open for reasonable debate on this subject.

      • Tommy Barns

        You mean like Fema camps are open now? Are they taking people away yet? Maybe they read what we right here and then come get us. good thing I use computer in Libray. ha ha they will never find me. I won’t fill out census when they come either.

  • Joe W.

    I do believe we’ve found Pete Wilson’s conservative alter ego in Tommy Barns. Stupid and stupider…arrange as you wish.

    • DaveH

      Joe,
      He is a bit of a drama king. But maybe he is legitimately scared. Or maybe he is just a far left loon mocking us. Who knows? Only Tommy.

      • eyeswideopen

        Who could have made him that scared?? People on this site? People on Fox news? How about both!!!

        • Elaine

          WHO is scared eyes????? I think its you! The truth hurts doesn’t it!

    • Thurman Marcum

      Joe,

      Tommy Barns should get off that alternative medicine.He is in another universe.This guy is one step from the banana house.

    • Tommy Barns

      You calling me stupid? Wait n see. Glenn Beck says they are going to take over the country. We must revolt now! We must stop this government take over. They want to contol ever bit of our life. they will make us take mind control stuff.

  • http://syellowjacket@ning.com Yellow Jacket

    Paranoid or not,Not I nor my family will take this poison shot, I have read up on the ingredents,it contains mercury in the saline solution,frankly I would rather be bitten by a rattle snake.It is not for the Government to force this issue on the poeple, all in all communism is not welcome in these United States.

    • DaveH

      Is this the same government that forces food companies to list their ingredients and calorie contents on their labels? And the Liberal Sycophants on this board want to ridicule us for not wanting to be inoculated with unknown substances?
      You can see what we’re up against in this country if we let these creepy freedom-robbers grow this government any bigger than it already is. These guys think freedom is only for their self-imagined superior Liberal cohorts.

      • eyeswideopen

        So, now you want people with food allergies to not have the ability to see what is in a food prior to consuming? How about those with Cellic? You really don’t care about anybody but yourself do you?

        • Elaine

          Theres just no talking to some people …they get all in a twist and have to turn the subject everyway they can to hide truth…open your eyes …they are not wide open! just because people want to have control over their own lives doesn’t mean they want to harm others! As amatter of fact if you can be truthful I’m pretty sure you don’t want to be lied to either….

        • DaveH

          Did I say I didn’t want the labels? Don’t get your knickers in a twist, Ms. Word-Twister.

          • eyeswideopen

            When you say the same government that forces food companies to label the ingredients? Government Force, those are two of your favorite words, that you use to incite the uninformed!

          • DaveH

            Reread the comment Eyes. You will figure it out (eventually).

        • American Citizen

          I agree with you eyes, we need to know what is in the foods we consume. Some people cannot have anything with peanuts in it even if it’s peanut oil or fried in peanut oil. Some people are highly susceptible to wheat products (scialiac disease), some to acids;such as citrus or tomato products, etc. Making manufacturers of foods list the ingredients was a godsend. We also need to know salt, sugar and fat contents.

          • DaveH

            My point was we need to know what is in those vaccines.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave
            an that has what to do with the food companies and their labels? I know government forced them to label them, but how do you get from that statement to vaccines? More government for ingredients in vaccines?

      • American Citizen

        Every time we have gotten a flu shot, we were asked if we were allergic to eggs or another ingredient that was in the shot. If you were not asked this question, the one giving the shot was not doing his or her job. Every time I’m given a medication, I’m asked if I’m allergic. I also read the ingredients in the medicines I receive from the pharmacies. They are listed either on the box or in the blurb that comes with them.

        • eyeswideopen

          Yes, American, and I am glad that our government forced the food companies to start watching out for us.

  • Merl Elton

    With Lation celebs bragging that soon Latinos will be the majority and dominate the population of the US; I think it is time to exert border control and immigration quotas; and do away with the automatic naturalization by birth law that is causing the stampede from Mexico; and have only children of citizens be citizens. No blanket amnesty or the US will go bankrupt. Where is our country going? Some Lations say that their aim is to overpopulate and overtake the US so they can rule. To those who want their say, I would advise them to have lots of children to remain in the majority. If we do not control our borders we will lose our heritage, our culture, and our country. We need to make Mexico take care of its own people and stop importing unemployment, crime, hate, social unrest, chaos, and disease up here.
    I think if I were Mexican I would rather live in Mexico, what a beautiful country. When the US takes on the problems of everyone and everyone we lose and devalue ourselves. Immigration needs to be controlled so we will not have a socialist country or a dictatorship voted in by foreigners who are not in particularly favor of a democracy.

    • eyeswideopen

      Since everyone here in American is an immigrant, what culture, what heritage are you speaking of? Have you forgotten that only the American Indians are the true inhabitants of this country?
      Hate to tell you this, but even if the whites started today, we would not be able to catch up with the latins. So you are promoting that people have children, even if they can’t afford them, to help the whites keep control of this country? WoW, fear is a powerful thing isn’t it? It will be very interesting to see how people like you act, when you are in the minority.
      Which group of immigrants told your ancestors how to act and what to believe when they got here?

      • Elaine

        The Constitution…do you know what that is????? get a grip eyes!

        • eyeswideopen

          The Constitution is related to what merl was saying how?

      • American Citizen

        My ancestors were immigrants, but I am not. I was born here.

  • Merl Elton

    Yes and also remember that when we have lots of people here who only know life under extreme poverty or under corrupt dictators and socialist governments; the governments will try to force anything onto an uneducated, ignorant population knowing that this type of population does not know any better, does not have a strong willed freedom ethic, and will basically accept anything. This is another reason not to let too many people in the US who would vote against our freedoms or democracy because they do not know how to live responsibly in a free society; and must have someone tell them what to do.

  • Paul Trood

    Maybe this will wake up Americans as to the depth of deceit and corruption in their governments. This vaccine is not about saving lives, it’s about making BIG money for the favored ones. Rumsfeld must have a permanent smile on his face as he stands to make hundreds of millions.

  • Jennifer Bakalov

    I believe that the swine flu did start in Mexico and does exist throughout the world, yet mainly in North America, but I am 100% sure that Obama and his cronies are using this flu virus to their advantage. This disease is being used as just another scare tactic over the American people, another way to bribe them into giving up their liberties for government “protection” which clearly does not exist, except in the form of socialism and communism, which, of course, is not then government protection.

  • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

    Yellow Jacket, has the Cops or the Military showed up at your house to force you to take this , so called poison shot? I don’t know where you live but I know in my state it is a Volunteer thing. When did they change it to being forced to take it?

    • Rod

      Herb Thacker, The other day a Congress woman from TX. was interviewed
      on T.V. She said, twice, the people in TX. are going to be (required)
      to take the H1N1. She said it was for their protection.

      • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

        Rod how many Sen., or Rep’s., do you know that tells the truth. Texas is susceeding from the Union, according to their Gov., so why would we make a foreign country take flu shots?

        • eyeswideopen

          Good One, LMAO

        • Tommy Barns

          Obama is getting ready to sell Texas to China to pay for our debt. That’s why texas want to leave now before Obama sells it to China.
          Right DaveH?

          • eyeswideopen

            Tommy, he will be selling it to Sheldon Adelson, the richest repub donor. who has made all his money in China. So maybe America will have some of us who survive.

          • Elaine

            Still trying to incite riots? Eyes you’re getting a following…WOW…and since you’ve so clearly stated you’ve got all the power …what should the rest of us do? Shall we put our tails between our legs and run from you in fear? That won’t happen ..Keep spewing your hatred!

    • Elaine

      So Far….hope you’re right about never being forced but since I’ve actually read some of the laws you may be eating your words!

      • eyeswideopen

        Elaine, we anxiously await the laws you spoke of. Let er rip babe, Bring them on.

        • Elaine

          MA eyes its open to the public Read it DUH DUH>>>>>

      • Dale

        You read the laws already? Wow things moved fast! I just watched tv news tonight and there are like 3 bills in senate and one in the house, none were voted on as of 6:00. When did they become law?

    • DaveH

      It will be too late by then to stop it.

    • Tommy Barns

      They tell you they are with the census then stick you with a neelde. Glenn Beck said that will be how they get you. He said whach out for the census workers cuz there gonna make you take the shot. Once you gets the shot they can control your mind.

  • http://www.nosmog.com Robert Sewell Sr

    MAYBE YOU WILL LIKE TO HEAR SOME STORIES ABOUT “SWINE FLU CHEMICALS” WAS STOLEN BY OBAMA’S ONE OF CABNET DR CHU, VERY DANGEROUS DIRTY MAN IN WORLD TRYING TO WIPE OUT THE WORLD INNOCENT PEOPLE. HE WAS AT THE U.S.ARMY CHEMICAL BASE NORTHEAST OF D.C. BETWEEN BALTIMORE. DR CHU SOMEHOW SNEAKING IN CHEMICAL DEPARTMENT AND STOLEN MOST OF SWINE FLU CHEMICAL THAT WAS ANNOUNCED FEW MONTHS AGO SWINE FLU CHEMICALS WERE MISSING BY THE ARMY INVESTIGATORS. THEN AFTER THAT ALL ARE QUITE NEWS ABOUT IT. WHY SO QUITE NEWS ABOUT IT ?. THAT WAS OBAMA’S AND DR CHU’S IDEAS. THAT TIME WHEN WE WERE SURPISED THAT OBAM WANTED TO MEET MEXICO PRESIDENT FEW MONTHS AGO IN MEXICO CITY JUST FOR ONE DAY THEN FLEW BACK TO U.S. SOMEHOW DR CHU ALREADY SET SWINE FLU CHEMICAL IN PRESIDENT’S 747 JET THEN FLEW BACK HOME, I BELIEVED DURNG FLEW OVER MEXICO CITY AND ALL WAY TO D.C.. THE WIND CURRENTS FROM S.W. MEXICO ALL WAY TO D.C. FIRST NEWS AT MEXICO PEOPLE GOT SWINE FLU NEXT DAY AND SOME ARE DYING THEN SPREADING TO TEXAS AND OTHER STATES HAD SWINE FLU AN SOME PEOPLE AT MEXICO AND U.S. DIED FROM IT.
    THEN TWO WEEKS LATER OBAMA’S PRESIDENT 747 WITH COLONEL FLEW HIMSELF AND OBAMA
    NOT IN THAT PLANE. COLONEL FLEW AROUND NYC,AND SAID JUST TAKEN VIEW OF PICTURES THEN BACK TO D.D. CAUSE NYC PEOPLE PANIC AND NERVOUS, THOUSAND CALLED TO D.C. SOMEONE TOLD NYC APOLOGIZED THEM AND I HEARD THAT COLONEL GOT FIRED. WHAT IS GOING ON ?.
    SECOND STORY, RED CHINA CALLED PRESIDENT OF INDIA AND NIGERIA, AFRICA THAT AMERICA (OBAMA) BOUGHT TWO PLANES MADE AT AUSTRIA FILLED WITH SWINE FLU CHEMICALS IN TTHESE TWO PLANES NOW FLEW OVER INDIA AND NIGERIA, AFRICA. BOTH COUNTRIES’ AIR FORCES WENT UP SKIES AND ORDERED TWO PLANES DOWN TO THEIR BASES. THEY FOUND TWO AMERICAN PILOTS EACH PLANES ORDERED BY OBAMA AND CHU. OBAMA AND CHU FAILED TO SPREADING SWINE FLU CHEMICALS ON TWO CONTRIES AND THANKS TO CHINA FOR ALARMED THEM .
    NOW OBAMA AND HIS GANGSTERS ARE TRYING TO FORCE ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS MUST TAKE SWINE FLU SHOTS OR ELSE THREATEN US ALL. AND FORCE CONGRESS TO PASSED THEM TODAY. NEXT FORCE NEW LAWS IN NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY TO BECOME LAWS PEOPLE MUST TAKE IT.
    NOW ALERT ALERT TO ALL AMERICAN LETS START CIVIAL WAR AGAINST OBAMA’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THIS SWINE FLU SHOTS HAS INSIDE MIXED WITH MERCURY, CANCEROUS, ALL KINDS OF VIRUS DISEASE MIXED WITH. DON’T TAKE ANY SWINE FLU THAT IS YOUR WARNING FROM US , IF THEY FORCE , DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR ARMED WITH YOU AGAINST THEM NOW FOR YOUR OWN SAKE AND HEALTH !!. HELP OTHER YOURS NEIGHBORS WHO DON’T HAVE ANY ARMED THEM SELVES AND PROTECTION THEM, PLEASE. ALERT TO EVERY BODY RIGHT NOW ANYTIME.
    THAT IS THE WAY ABOUT OBAMA WANTS TO MAKE S YOU ALL SICK AND WORTHLESS SWINE SHOTS NOT FOR THE HUMAN S’S SAKE !! WAKE UP AMERICA TIME IS NOW COMING THREATEN BY OBAMA AND HIS GANGSTERS.
    TO ALL OTHER STATES PLEASE DON’T ALLOW OBAMA’S GOVERNMENT TELL YOU WHAT TO DO , ALL STATES GOVERNMENTS MUST THINK OF SAKE YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND TAX PAYERS OR LOSE THEM FOR EVER . THIS IS LAST WARNING FOR ALL OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AND ALL STATES.IF NECESSARY TAKE UP YOUR OWN MILITANTS ARMY TO PROTECT YOUR OWN STATES ANY TIME NOW. WE ALL NATION STATES WILL STAND BY WITH YOU AND PROTECTION YOU ALL.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, am awaiting your critique of this post on the spelling and grammer useage. What you don’t want to do that to “one of your own”?

      • DaveH

        Eyes, why don’t you? I save my attacks for annoying Liberals who are attacking others with ridicule or name-calling. If you catch me using similar tactics on respectful commentors, please call me on it.

        • eyeswideopen

          So you admit that you only require intelligence from the opposing party? That is par for the party. Enjoy your people, but it is a little hypocritical to judge others using a higher standard.

          • DaveH

            Hardly,
            So far the right-wingers haven’t made me do anything that I didn’t want to do. I can’t say that for the left-wingers. The issue here is freedom of choice. You espouse that for abortion, but not for my freedom to not choose insurance (public or private) or to not choose vaccination. Sorry Eyes, but you are the hypocrite. Come clean, own it.

          • Elaine

            Hypocritical WOW thats the pot calling the kettleblack as my mom would say!LOL

          • Elaine

            eyes …I can’t stop laughing!!!!! Hypocritical…. give me a break! they know not the truth for there is no truth in them???? can you even hear yourself?…why do you constantly accuse others of what you yourself are doing? and then have the nerve to call them Hypocritical????? Oh Yeah I regress…Saul Alinski!

          • eyeswideopen

            Warns the American people “to be suspicious and look down upon anyone who seeks to abandon the Union, to secede a portion of the country from the rest, and/or seeks to weaken the bonds that hold the Constitutional Union together. To promote the strength of the Union , urges, the people to place their idenity as AMERICANS above their identies as members of a state, city or region, and focus their efforts and affection on the COUNTRY above all other local interests. Look beyond any differences between them in religion, manners, habits and POLITICAL PRINCIPLES and place their INDEPENDENCE & LIBERTY ABOVE ALL ELSE.” What say you?????

        • Pete Wilson

          But about my right to have a choice to use the government plan? You’re telling me I can’t choose a lower cost plan provided by my government. What about my right to be healthy? I don’t want to get sick, but if you do and do stay home you could infect me. That’s not right.

          I see only your rights matter and mine don’t.

          • eyeswideopen

            Pete, that’s what they don’t get. They think only what they want is important, and they will do anything to get their own way. Anyone who is not a Republican, RT-winger, or the libertarian do not have any rights.

          • Elaine

            No one gave you or me a right to healthcare …most of us wouldn’t have a problem helping the less fortunate I know I don’t …Yet to force everyone ..at the point of a gun /gov to pay for it whether or not they agree…I think the ones voting for it should pay for it and I like the way the Amish take care of each other they don’t ask for nor expect anything from GOV …you would force vaccines wouldn’t you? You ask for all things that you may enjoy life..but GOD gave us life that we might enjoy all things! Don’t tell me your not a control freak! By the way this is a Republic…if we can keep it!

          • DaveH

            Healthcare is not a right. Reaching into other people’s wallets is not a right. Forcing people to buy health insurance is not a right.
            If you are as smart as you think you are, you can figure out that the competition from a government run insurance plan would not be competition at all. They have taxing power, and money printing power (through the Federal Reserve). They could price their insurance as low as they want without fear of going bankrupt or defunct. Thus they could and probably would drive their competitors out of business, and then they would have the single-payer system (monopoly) that they are really seeking.

          • Pete Wilson

            So if you are all so eager and willing to help those that don’t have insurance or are in need and you feel Americans in general will do this, then why do we have so many without insurance?

            Healthcare is not a right?
            We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

            Kind of hard to be healthy and happy without the proper healthcare to keep you alive.

          • American Citizen

            Do you really think that “government option” wold be cheap? or free? Medicare isn’t. There are premiums, deductibles and co-pays. Costs us almost $600 a month. You don’t get anything from the government for free. You pay one way or another.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, you have no comment for someone who is advocating a Civil war against our President? What Constitution do you uphold? It must be different from mine.

          • Elaine

            EYES You’re the only one talking about civil war you sick twisted freak!

    • Cher Valera

      Robert Sewell Sr.

      You have said it all for me…thank you.

      • eyeswideopen

        You are kidding right? You are agreeing to a civil war against Obama?

    • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

      This has to be one of the most made up story I have heard, except that Iraq had WMD’s in stockpiles. I guarded the President’s plane when I was in the Military for two (2) years. Had someone tried to sneak onto the aircraft there is only one word to describe it, “BANG, BANG”). I thought my kids came up with some off the wall stories about their so call invisibile friends, but your imagination has “OD” on speed. What a story, if there was a vote for the #1 lie on this place every day, you would win hands down. How Dumb!!

      • Elaine

        Go back to washington Herb!

        • eyeswideopen

          You are like children, when you don’t like something you either run away, call people names or tell them to go away. Silly little children.

      • eyeswideopen

        Herb, my dad, did all the inventory for Air Force One, in Texas. Bergstrom AFB. 1969. Where were you stationed?

    • American Citizen

      Is this the same Dr. Chiu who stole nuclear material from that site in New Mexico?

  • Margie Childs

    Anyone who doubts the veracity of Mr. Livingston’s article should read “The Flexner Report.” This stuff has been going on almost 100 years. When is the American public going to wake up?

  • http://www.kellypersonaltraining.com/method.html austin personal trainer

    “While the flu so far is proving troublesome for those who have it and causing a higher than normal percentage of absenteeism in schools across the U.S., its effects are turning out much milder than government propagandists forecast.”

    So far, much milder – I had H1Ni and my 3 year old daughter had it. I am asthmatic. My daugher stopped coughing after a week. Mine congestion persisted for two weeks before I kicked it. A co-worker told me her son’s class had 13 out of 21 out sick last week. Her daughter is severely asthmatic. They gave her tamaflu but not her brother. Both are doing well now. So far it has been mild.

    • Rod

      Be careful with Tamaflu. Look at the ingrediants.

  • James

    The real reason people HATE people like Sarah Palin is because anyone who has Morals and Values is shining a light on the Darkness others have in their life. I have never heard Sarah preach, she just tells people what she believes and shockingly lives her values. No sadly her daughter made a mistake, not Sarah, her daughter did. We all are sinners and not one of us deserve to be forgiven. Had it not been for God who sent his only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sins we ALL would be going to hell. If you don’t want to believe that or receive that forgiveness through Jesus Christ that is your choice, we all have free will, allow Sarah the respect to believe and live the way she chooses.

    • Rodney Andregg

      Amen !!! James ….very well put ….You are absolutly Right and you did right in trying to open the eyes , ears and hearts of the corrupt the mislead or the unknown or tested who’s begin tested with temptations from all around you have patiences….I can see and feel that ….me…well I’m bitter towards the oppisition and like a Gladitor ready to rip and tear the bowels of hell out of any enemmy of Life, Liberty,and Freedom …Borders,Language,and Culture…America !!! Be American !!!Buy only American Products , Demand English as our language, We do not need to appolize for anything anymore and Stand up to any threats against these beliefs, for Gods sake, for Your sake, for your family’s sake !!!For Americas Sake …..WAKE UP BE HEARD !!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        Rod, I hate to tell you this, but one of the biggest Republican donors, Sheldon Adelson, (third richest person in US) sends alot of his money, (other than what he gives to the repub party) to China. So when you say buy American, he will probably be mad at you. Just thought I would let you know you will be pissing off a big Repub donor with that Buy American statement.

    • eyeswideopen

      She can believe anyway she wants too, I just don’t want someone that ill informed running this country. Her husband is a little too radical being a member of party who had alligance with Iran. She is pretty and given a text can sometimes speak, however she is lacking in intelligence and is now a quitter. This is a sign that she can’t handle stress or pressure very well, and we do have many experienced and intelligent women in the Republican party.

      • Deb

        Oh My….. Her husband is to radical…. Are you really saying that? Your having a problem with Palin who was a mayor then a Governor. She actually ran a state with a cash surplus. But HER Husband WAS a member of AIP over 10 years ago….

        But hey… Ayers, Dorn, Wright, Khalidi, Michael Pfleger, James Meeks, ACORN, the New Party, Kevin Jennings,Van Jones……………………. they’re all ok for a president to hang out with. LOL

        • eyeswideopen

          Deb,
          Jack Abramoff, Tom Ney, Scooter libby, Thomas Scully,Dick Armey, Tom Delay, Mark Foley, Newt Gingrich, Paul Crouch, Jimmy Swagart, Jim Bakker, JOhn Ashcroft, Donald Keyser, Karl Rove, Bob Barr, Chip Pickering, Robert Bob Allen, Larry Craig, Joshua Bolten, Daid Safavian, Roger Stillwell, Steven Griles, Mark Zachares, Robert Coughlin, Kenneth Lay, Christopher Ward, Adam Kidon, Neil Valz, John Doolittle, Duke Cunningham, Kyle Foggo, Robert Torricelli, Jim Traficant, Walter YuckerIII, Lurita Doan, Harriet Miers, Lester Crawford, Bernard Kerik, Rick Renzi, Adam Kidon, Monica Goodling, Jeffery Ray Nielsen, Don Sherwood, Richard Dasen, Jeff Gannon, Mike Hintz, Jack Ryan, Parker Bena, Donald Lukens, John david roy Atchinson, Mathew Joseph Elliott, David Hager, and the list goes on and on, but I am tired, you can research these names yourself, but I doubt you will. You really shouldn’t throw stones as the Repubs have had many, many problems in the past couple of years.

          • Deb

            Hon,,, I’m talking about ONLY Obama’s connections.

            You want to talk republicans that made mistakes fine go for it just be sure to add the democrats names to that list.

            Both parties have a long list of reps that made errors.

            I am talking about “Obama” being connected to A LOT of shady characters.

            You are comparing apples to oranges.

          • eyeswideopen

            Deb, Most of those were on Pres. Bush’s cabinet, and in his admin. don’t you recognize them? Karl Rove, Jack Abramhoff, Tom Ney, on and on and on. 10 of them during the Justice dept debacle. Too many convicted to mention again. Girl you need ot open your eyes, they did hang out with the prez. History will show it was the most corrupt admin in our history, and more will be coming due to the Turkey issue. Watch for more!!!

          • Deb

            Eyes…

            Hon… Bush is GONE.

            I didn’t like him. I didn’t vote for him & I really don’t care about him. He can no longer effect my life.

            Obama and the crazy radicals… Come on now… a SELF proclaimed communist. A man who advises a teen to continue a gay relationship with an adult???? Ayers… enough said there…

            Again…. Bush is GONE. Obama is not.

  • Rod

    We happen to think Sarah Palin is GREAT. I think she should be elected to Congress! She would drive Palosi even Crazier than she already is! What a LADY!

    • Thurman Marcum

      Rod,

      She can quit in mid term.

      • eyeswideopen

        Her mantra could be: I don’t read, I quit before I have to answer to anything!!

        • Deb

          What would you do if you had case after case thrown at you that you did not have the money to pay for? What if you were costing the state millions of dollars because liberals are so against you “just because”?

          I guess she could have stayed and let the legal bills stack up. I guess she could have filed bankruptcy. That would have went over well. Liberals got what they wanted. They wanted her out of office. Now she is.

          How the hell was she supposed to pay all those legal bills brought on by frivolous lawsuits? Were you going to stop the crazy loons suing her for wearing a jacket with a logo????? How about donate to help her pay the legal fees associated with these stupid ethics lawsuits? Oh…. wait… no the liberals tried to stop that too… Nope can’t help Sarah.

          • Pete Wilson

            She was free to make a choice. She could have stayed out of the national spot light and worked with the democrats in Alaska as she did in the begining. But she wanted more and really tried to through all democrats under the bus during the campaign. She made her bed but then decided not to sleep in it. She is a coward and not a very strong willed person. But hey, that’s ok. She made her choice and decided to quit. She is free to do whatever she wants. It just shows me the kind of person she really is. Wants all the glory and fame but none of bad stuff that comes along with it.
            That’s fine.

          • Deb

            She did not make that bed. The fools with the ethics complaints did that for her. How did you expect her to pay those legal bills? There was no way for her to earn that money while still in office. I guess she could just default or hey,,, how many lawyers do you know that will wait at least 2 years to get paid?

            So… she should have told McCain “Thanks but No Thanks”.

            Sorry what was done to her and her family was (still is) unbelievable.

          • Pete Wilson

            She had the opportunity to say thanks but no thanks, Much like John McCain told John Kerry back in 2004. Or Tom Ridge told George Bush in 2000. It was her choice. She is free to make that choice.

        • Deb

          So that gives the loons the right to throw all the bogus ethical complaints that she and the State of Alaska had to pay?

          I guess that gives everyone the right to attack even her infant son?

          She made a choice to quit and make the money to pay the legal bills the loons caused. I guess you think it would have been better for her to file bankruptcy and ruin her family financially?

          What was done to her and her family is a first for America. Something that is shameful.

          • American Citizen

            Pete, Sarah Palin is anything but a coward. She knew her baby was going to be Down’s, but she chose life for him knowing what was ahead in raising him. She could have taken the easy way out and had an abortion like so many women do now.
            She did the wise thing in resigning as she was thinking of the Alaskan people and her family. What would you have done?

          • eyeswideopen

            Who attacked her infant son? People are not monster when it comes to children with special needs. Some don’t want them to get Medicaid, but those repubs can go to hell as far as I’m concerned.

    • DaveH

      Maybe our current Congressmen (excepting Ron Paul) could be as thoughtful as Sarah and quit.

  • Rod

    The whole “so called” Health Care Plan has nothing to do with health care! What they have planned for the American people is NASTY!

    • Pete Wilson

      OMG! What do they have planned?

      • eyeswideopen

        They are planning a civil war against Obama.

        • Deb

          Stupid

  • Cher Valera

    I don’t plan to take the Flu shot they trying to push down peoples throat. They on a speed ramp to get everything through so fast…WHY?
    First it was stimulis package…up in Trillions of dollars (where the heck is Americans tax dollars…what hands did it end up in?)….Rush that stimulis through ..we headed to hell. Now how many people are out of jobs? Rushing the Obama CareHealth Plan through and they don’t listen to people…they don’t care. Its all about their power and National Socialism/Communism on rise. Now its Flu shot….hurry get people to take these shots..we doomed! Hmmmmm, not tested! How many people they want dead in America and im not saying from the Flu itself but the shot (we have no idea what it is all about).
    This administration need to retire from their position….they have lost their brains completely. If America fall..it be because Of Obama and his administration. Why arent they taking shots? Why dont they pay tax dollars back that they stole from American people who worked their buns off to have a good life. I like to know where that money is and who is eating off our tax dollars in Pent House.
    This administration trying scare heck out of people with this Swine Flu. Two children have it near me and its just like the flu bug and they treated the same way. Get a grip America and don’t let them scare us! I don’t care if we Republicans, Democrats or Liberaterians…its time to pull together and take this nation back. Time to put aside our differences and make this Nation “One Nation Under God” again and we see a big difference. No to Swine flu shot!

  • Mary Powers

    To me it is so simple. Sarah Palin stood by her daughter who was pregnant although she was ‘caught up’ in the morals of the century, more than likely taught in her school.She also stood by her Down’s syndrome son and accepted and loved him. I would trust her a long way for that. Her son was innocent and without fault and she accepted him. Obama did the opposite when he was in the senate, voting for abortion on demand at any time or to let tiny, innocent, helpless and defenseless survivors of abortion lay on a cold table unattended until they die. What kind of monster would do that – even to an animal? That says something to me about where his heart is. Will it be any different for the elderly or disabled if they are also deemed unecessary, helpless and defenseless?

    The most innocent person who ever lived was Jesus. Must we continue to crucify innocense over and over again?

    Thank God for people like Sarah who lives what she believes. Wish there were more just like her!

    No I do not go to church, do not study the bible. Right is right and wrong is wrong. It is really simple!

    • Ginger Lymbery

      Sarah Palin was cruxified by the leftist medias. They did absolutely no background checks on Obama, but flew to Alaska to turn over any rock and dig up anything on Palin they could find. They were “afraid” of her, and you know why? Because she was like most of the American tax payer…hard working, God loving, purchased her clothes at resale centers, and was just down to earth. The government can call me a right-winged terrorist, unAmerican, Nazi or redneck if they want to because my values are a lot better than theirs..love of country, love of God, stand up for what I believe, will fight for my and my children’s liberties…that is what a redneck and right-winged terrorists is…like Sarah Palin. I hope she does well with her book and I hope she tells off Katie Couric in it. I am planning to purchase it when it comes out in November. Sarah Palin was treated badly and I do not believe she deserved what the liberals did to her.

      • Pete Wilson

        Yeah, and now John McCain’s campaign advisors are jumping on the band wagon to throw Palin under the bus too, LOL She only has the support of a few nut cases now.

        • DaveH

          What? You’re supporting her now?

          • Pete Wilson

            LOL That’s a knee slapper there Dave! Good one!

            sheeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • eyeswideopen

        People in Alaska are glad she is gone, they are now trying to clean up her little mess.

        • Deb

          Do you have proof for this claim?

      • Bones

        Sarah did herself in. As for Obama, there was much said about him and Rev. Wright and Acorn, Bill Ayers and on and on. So don’t say nothing was said about him.

        • Deb

          Let’s see…

          Obama – Abortion, partial birth abortion supporter, Wright, Ayers, Dorn, Jennings, Jones, the New Party…. MMM MMM MMM

          Sarah… stood by her daughter when in need. Screwed up an interview with Couric. WOW what a horrible person.

          • eyeswideopen

            She is nice, just doesn’t have the intelligence to survive. The office of V.P. does not make laws. Good thing to know before you open your mouth and make an idiot of yourself on nationa t.v. Alaska was about the right size for her to run. She would not be able to get down the protocol in Congress and we would probably have watched her make history like good ole Joe Wilson.

        • American Citizen

          After Obama was elected, some reporters went out into the streets of some of our big cities and asked several people what they knew about Obama and why they voted for him. None of them knew anything except he said, “Change, change, change, and that he is black.” They did no vetting of him.

          • eyeswideopen

            Come On American, Do you think Hilary would have just let him become Pres.? If there was anything dirty to be found, she would have found it. Don’t fall into the conspiracy theory series. You are smarter than that!!

          • Deb

            Eyes… what do you really know about Hillary? Do you know that she was lucky to even keep her law license after what she pulled with Nixon?

            Obama’s MO has always been to clear the field first. That is how he won in Illinois I always wondered what Obama’s team found on her. That woman has a set on her.

            Look at Biden…. How could she possibly do any worse than this joke of a VP?

          • eyeswideopen

            Deb, you are kidding right? Just think of someone other than Couric interviewing her. OMG, what a debacle that would be. She didn’t even want reporters in the room for her “big” speech in Hong Kong. How would she be able to handle 50 to 60 of them asking her questions which she couldn’t preview? Disaster is her middle name. She couldn’t even make a committment to one college. Five in five years? I can understand changing colleges, once maybe even in extremes twice, but five times? What was she running from? You can let her run your party, but the majority don’t want her to run this country.

          • Deb

            Eyes,

            I look at congress and the Whitehouse today and ask how can anyone object to Palin.

            Five schools in five years is pretty normal for the average person who doesn’t have a lot of money or affirmative action working for them. In all honesty… She got a degree.

            Now look at Washington.

            Biden is a joke. ANYONE would be a better VP but at least he is not a 100 day Jr. Senator.

            Geithner = Tax cheat who cannot use a basic program like Turbo Tax. Which is bull because I use it every year and his excuse was pure bullsh it. He is running our Treasury and he controls the IRS but he can’t use Turbo Tax? He basically stole money that IMF gave him to pay his taxes and no one cares.

            Rangel, another tax cheat, who holds the chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee and writes the tax code hid ½ his income and did not pay his taxes.

            Rahm’s brother wants to control population and Sunstien wants animals to sue you. Rahm likes to mail dead fish. Maybe Sunstien will sue Rahm on behalf of the dead fish he mailed.

            Republicans can’t seem to keep their marriage vows and democrats can’t seem to pay their taxes.

            Our government is a joke and has been for a long time. Congress is full of fools.

            Palin would not be a stretch for Washington. She is cleaner than most of them and at least knows how a state government is run. That is more than you can say for a certain state senator who’s district was worse off after he left and never stuck around to be a US Senator to his state. Even his own VP said he was not qualified.

            Do I want Palin to be president someday? I don’t know. I’ll have to see what she becomes over the years. Right now she does not run anything much less the republican party. That is a democratic myth. You can say it as much as you want but it will not make it true.

  • Mary Powers

    Yes, they are in a big hurry to rush things through, untested, not understood, to hell with anyone who doesn’t agree with it. People who don’t agree with it are crucified by the ‘media’. Everything we do is played down. We are made to look like bible-thumping, gun-toting red neck terrorists when we are mostly decent law-abiding American citizens with enough comnmon sense to be able to see what is coming down.

    I am 65 and in my lifetime I have never seen so many decent Americans all riled up about anything. I would say they should be listened to, not ignored. There is definitely something wrong here. Talk about losing the trust of the American people! Is it any wonder we don’t want the flu shot too????????????????

    The BIG RUSH is on, many of us can see it. If THEY have all the answers why are THEY in such an all-fired hurry to get it through? – is that because they are afraid more of us will wake up and see what is really coming down and they want to push it through before we wake up? Thats the way a used car salesman works.

    I smell a skunk in the woodpile!

  • Mary Powers

    You can go to CVS or Walgreens and get Hibiclens, used by doctors. Gives protection against viruses.

    Also use colloidal silver in a spray.

    Oh yes, where did I hear that older people had developed an immunity to swine flu..therefore, if there was not enough vaccine they would not get it? We may be exempt as you have something more effective for us? Trust? What is that?

  • Barbara Michalski

    Mary Powers is right. Abortion is wrong and is the murder of an innocent human being. Aren’t all yoy glad your mom did not abort you? I wonder which babies aborted God had given the talents to find cures for many diseases, build safer cars, buildings,end wars, write beautifil songs,etc.We will never know if we abort them. When you die and God asks “What did you do for the very lest of my children?” what will youe answer be?

  • teri voss

    I remember when obama went to Mexico the 2nd time, it was a couple days later the s… hit the fan, there with so many sick people with swine. My conspiratory thoughts turned to the big O. why did he go
    there 2 times anyway ? i figued they were discussing amnesty. spose his czaar that wants to control the population went along? I will be so glad when this 4 year term is over. i feel i may begoing crazy.

    • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

      If you could put up with bush/cheney for eight (8) years and not go crazy you will be OK for the next eight (8).

      • Elaine

        We may survive but this Country won’t…and Chavez said he wants the big”O” to be prez forever…that was a truly telling comment on his part! Truth is stranger than fiction.

    • Bones

      So you’re saying Obama went to Mexico, got the flu, then brought it back to the us and released it in Kansas and New York at the same time. Then went to other states and released it there?

      My god, how warped is your mind? Are you that paranoid to think that this President would do that?

      • eyeswideopen

        Bones, they will try to blame him for everything that happens around the world. Sad, that the hate is so intrenched in the conservative party. They should rename themselves as conservative sure doesn’t fit now. My neighbor’s kid just asked me tonight if the conservatives were still Chrisitans as they are sure talking mean and hateful. I couldn’t stop laughing. I am sure most real Christians are not too happy with the hate mongering and lyimg that is taking place.

        • Elaine

          Right! Your kids asked you that!!!wWho are you trying to kid…no body is listening /beleiving your stupid tactics! get the clue!

          • Lisa Quinby

            Were you spying on eyes that you know the kids didn’t ask her that question?

  • http://www.classycreations.net Herb Thacker

    Rod: Hate to brust your bubble, but there are no half term places in Congress where you can QUIT when you cannot take the heat. She would have to have someone to write her speeches, like she has her book.

    • Elaine

      Keep talking Herb … but pass the bud! Cause you’re trippin!

      • eyeswideopen

        Elaine, you are drinking Bud? That beer is no longer an American Beer. Are you supporting a socialist company now? Shame on you.

    • American Citizen

      You think the President and Congresspeople write their own speeches? They all have speech writers. A lot of authors have someone to put the words in proper order and sequence of events. We all have a book in us, but who of us can actually write it in a way that anyone would want to read it?

  • Mary Powers

    To learn how to be strong in the face of adversity and not be taken in by the b.s. log onto fhu.com.

    • Elaine

      Excellent choice Mary:)

  • survivor

    WOW reading the article, a couple of things popped out at me
    #1. 1976; the year millions received the previous vaccine
    #2. systemic lupus; one of the side affects listed for the same compound used in the vaccine in 1976 that was used for the men of the persial gulf war.
    #3. Gov.forceing people to take this vacine.
    why do these thing pop out to me? This is why.
    #1. I was born in the year of 1976.
    #2. When I was 18 I was diagnosed with lupus otherwise known as systemic aeryamethosis lupus (SLE lupus for short)
    #3. The same gov that is forceing people to take the vaccine informed me that I was no longer able to accept vaccines because of the 2 kidney transplants I have had. Which medicare paid the larger costs for both surgeries and the anti rejection pills I will take daily for the rest of my life.
    before I read this article I already knew that I couldn’t/shouldn’t take the vaccine, but after reading it I wonder if the vaccines taken in the year i was born had anything to do with me having lupus? If so I wish my mother would have demanded the right to refuse it for her little boy. If she did it might/could/would have saved me alot of pain in my life that included
    -2 kidney transplants
    -4 grand mal seizures
    -a stroke that paralysed my entire left side
    - hemianopeia (a permanant 50% loss of vision in both my left and right eye)
    -brain surgery
    -2 open heart surgeries (each to replace a valve in my heart)
    -25-30 partial seizures a month(because of stroke)
    -random complete memory losses of the past 3-4 days (also because of the stroke)
    -recently an oblation in my heart to prevent it from going into V-Tach anymore.(google heart oblation if you don’t know what it is)

    All of this because of lupus, which may or may not be because of a vaccine. But would you want to take a chance with your little boy or girl? For their sake i pray not.

    • Elaine

      GOD Bless you! You are a survivor! I hope people will listen to you may the LORD Bless you with health.

    • DaveH

      So sorry survivor. My brother died of Lupus at 45 years old. Good Luck.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, you have CFS and your brother had Lupus? You have a genetic issue and probably not one brought on by vaccines. If it wasn’t environmental, wells, dirt, air, then the odds are it is genetic. I am sorry for your loss.

    • American Citizen

      You and my husband could compare surgeries, except he has not had kidney transplant. He also has had a major stroke that damaged his left side (limited use now), triple bypass, stents, other surgeries including a stomach aorta repair. But he is older than you, 77, so vaccines did not play a part. We received no vaccines when we were young so we got the measles, chickenpox, mumps, flu, etc.

      • eyeswideopen

        American, you are ruining Daves theory.

  • Mary June

    Why do people place blame when a disease comes about. Germs are everywhere and not just in one country. I myself think that the news media has played a very large part in scaring people. I am not saying that it is not possible that this is a stronger flu than the strain that has run every year. But let’s be people that don’t start running scared when a virus or bug runs strong in the population. Doing things like washing our hands, covering our mouths when coughing are common sense things than can protect a person from getting sick.

    Let’s not play the blame game and get on with the business of helping people keep healthy.

    I do believe though that the pharmacital companies do play a large part in promoting sickness. And I did say promoting sickness. If people were healthy the companies would not be making the big bucks they are making.

  • DaveH
    • http://-- Rajkurun Naga

      Why this hue and cry against Obama? Do you know he has defused a social time bomb that has been hissing out its pressure for quite a long time? Do you know he has come to save the governing class that was already smelling bad? Do you know that he has helped immensely to cool down an inevitable third world serious confrontation/war? Do you know he has reacted positively towards avoiding a deadly war of religions? Do you know that instead of opening up financial, social, political …blisters, he has produced a slow heal-up process so as not to be condemned as a Hitlerian leader? Do you know that his world banking cleaning-up system will make a better future for the coming generations? Do you know that we are going for a new world order where every human being will have a better treatment? It is high time Americans shake off their political overcoats and think of the human undercoat. Sorry, if I have in any way hurt somebody’s feelings. I have only expressed what I see and sincerely feel about a few items.

      • Pete Wilson

        Some of those here do not want other people to have a better life. They are happy to keep the lower class of people way beneath them and stomp the middle class down lower and lower. The want the American Dream for themself, but not for Juan, that lives on Duke Street in the city. They want to keep people like Juan low paid and sickly so he has to depend on them to survive.

      • Deb

        MMM MMM MMM – you forgot the chorus.

        You really believe all that? I don’t.

      • DaveH

        Michelle?

      • American Citizen

        Oh, brother, he is so naive when it comes to foreign relations. China, Japan, and other countries are going away from the dollar as we speak. We are facing massive inflation where you will need a basket of money to buy a loaf of bread. Unemployment is still going up. People are having to work two and three of those menial jobs to make ends meet. Banks are refusing to loan to small businesses in order for them to expand and hire more people. Interest rates are going to go up soon as other countries are raising theirs and we will be soon to follow. Obama and his minions are only interested in keeping their leftist contributors on board.

      • American Citizen

        You cannot legislate the poor into being wealthy by legislating the wealthy into poverty. Socialism only makes for two classes, those in power who are wealthy and the rest who are poor. By your name, are you an immigrant? You seem not to know how things should work.

    • eyeswideopen

      They are saying he hasn’t gotten anything done. If you believe that whya are you radicals so scared??

      • Elaine

        Yeah he’s accomplished putting pervs and commies in the WH staff …our schools…destryed the economy…now wants our bodies…those are all great accomplishments …but hate to tell you YOU won’t win!

        • eyeswideopen

          You truly are something else, you think that Obama has put people in our schools, Honey, he hasn’t had enough time to try and take over everything that your simple little mind has conjured up. Have all your kids teachers been removed and replaced since last year? Funny, but so sad. Look out the boogie man is going to get you!!!! You better keep the lights on and your gun loaded, as out of 307 million people you are so great they are coming for you. Psycho talk is all you know.

  • Becky

    The person that said what about her/his right? I agree but what about your rights to be able to go to a doctor when you need to? I have a doctor that came from Canada because of the Goverment run care they have. How would you like to be very sick and have to wait 6-12 months for a surgery or longer, 4-8 weeks or longer if you want a x-ray or some other test? So many horror stories that I have personal seen. Belive me when I tell you thats what will happen if they take control over anybody getting sick. I believe we need health care reform, As a family of 3 we are paying over $650.00 a month for health care. But to be VERY HONEST I WOULD RATHER PAY THAT THEN HAVE THE FEDS TELLING ME WHEN AND WHAT DOC I CAN SEE. I hope the American people get this because its the truth!

    • DaveH

      Brace yourself for the Zombie attack Becky.

    • Pete Wilson

      As of now that stuff is not being considered. With the debate going on around the country and in Congress I think you don’t have to worry about that. These are scare tatics that are being used. You are smart enough to realize there is a problem. Government is not going to take full control, but if they do they have been doing it for years with Medicare and VA Health. Our Vets can get government care now. The few I have talked to love it.

      • Deb

        Right… how many vets do you know that go to the VA hospitals? Best choice is to choose USFHP. You still have to go to certain hospitals… the one here is dirty and the nurses and doctors suck…. but it is still better then trying to jump through the VA hospitals loops.

        • Pete Wilson

          If the VA Hospitals are not up to par we should increase funding so they are. Our Vets deserve the best care possible. But I remember hearing about someone Veto a bill that would increase spending on Vets. Our veterans are our most important people in this country. We owe it to them to take care of them for life.
          Or don’t you want you tax dollars being spent on them either?

          • Deb

            I am an Air Force brat. Born and raised in the military. My father died of cancer caused by chemicals that he was exposed to in Vietnam. He fought in both Korea and Nam.

            This country should be ashamed of the VA hospitals and the way our vets are treated while there.

      • eyeswideopen

        Pete, American Citizen loves her Medicare. Most of the medical care given to the Vets is good. My dad was fine, until the VA was on shut down and he had to go to private hosp. he died that night.

  • http://Yahoo.com Vic Nic

    As for me and my family (5) we will not be getting the H1N1 shot
    or drinking the Koolaid

  • Alex

    It’s nice to know that there is still honesty in the world and not
    everyone is blind to what is happening to this country, its greatness, and our freedoms.

  • Pete Wilson

    DaveH,

    There are a lot of comments here and maybe I missed it. I am just a dumb uneducated person, you know. But you ever reply to my question about what you would cut to make government smaller? I’m really interested in knowing how a very smart person like you would solve the problems of government being too big.

    • Pete

      What to cut to make government smaller: everything that is not Constitutional- meaning everything but the military. No IRS, Post Office, Social Security, Welfare, Medicare all programs that should be run at a State level if at all. We used to have a lot of freedom and these programs were not needed because people took care of each other. Now, with so much less of our income available, we are barely able to take care of ourselves and yet the government is taking more. We don’t even have a choice in the matter. Any child who is 12 years old or younger will be lucky if they are able to keep 30% of their earnings by the time they are 22 years old. Of course, history and economics prove that people will change the government any way possible long before that will ever happen. Americans would rather live free and in poverty than as a slave to a small group of people calling themselves our leaders.

      • Stassi Parker

        So you want population control? Only those with enough money will survive. We don’t need medicare, let the old folks die off from illness, if they didn’t save enough money to ritire they should work until they die right? What gives them the right to take my money anyway? Do we really need to pay medicare to keep old people alive? What good are they? Look at the homes they just sit around all day and our tax dollars pay for that. Everytime I see an old folks home it makes me mad because I know they are just sitting there watching tv or something using my medicare dollars to pay for it. They are going to die, we should just let them.
        And poor people. GET A JOB! we don’t need you if you’re not going to work. You say there are no jobs. McDonaldsis usually hiring people. You can live off $7 an hour. That’sprobably more than you’ll ever need.
        Get rid of the post office too. Need to send a letter use FedEx. It might cost $3 but who cares. If you got money to buy paper you got money to pay $3 to send a letter. I’m sure Ben Franklin would understand if you did away with the post office.

        • DaveH

          Stassi,
          On the job issue. I was talking to my sister who has not worked for 2 years. She has been living on credit cards ($30,000 debt currently).
          I told her “Get a job, any job, then look for better if you want”. Her response? “I’m not going to work for $10/hr!”.
          Unbelievable.

          • Pete Wilson

            That’s her choice. She has freedom of choice right? If she don’t want to work she shouldn’t have to. We live in a free country and I know I want my freedom of choice to stay intact. Somewhere in the Constitution it says I have a right to choose. and so does your sis.

          • Deb

            Sure his sister has the right to choose to not work. She also has to accept the consequences of her actions and not expect the government or the rest of society to support her because of her decision.

          • Pete Wilson

            Deb,
            Dave didn’t say she was seeking public help. Only that she has $30,000 in credit card debt. Not my problem is it. She has to deal with that herself.

          • eyeswideopen

            So, since she doesn’t want to work, some immigrant is not taking her job when they are working for $4.00 an hour right?

      • jbird

        The Post Office is Constitutional under Article 1, Section 8.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jbird, Thanks for info.

    • Deb

      I would start with spending money we do not have….

      9,287 pork projects at a cost of nearly $13 billion;

      Things like…

      1,791,000 for Swine Odor and Manure Management Research, Ames, IA
      $500,000 National History Day
      $200,000 Tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, CA

      http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/upload/porktable.html

      • Pete Wilson

        Deb I actually agree with you. That’s the kind of thinking we need in Washington. Someone who is willing to look at everything we spend money on and say, we don’t need to spend it on tatoo removal. Obama said he would go through the budget line by line and look at those things, but so far he hasn’t and it’s very disappointing. If we got rid of nonsense spending then we could spend on things that really need attention.

        • Deb

          He also said he would be willing to sit down and go over the Health care bills if the congressmen would just give him a call.

          They did.

          He didn’t return the call.

          This is why I do not trust him at all. He lies continually. Both him and Michelle. No one cares either. Sad

          • eyeswideopen

            Deb, the Pres. needs to wait for at least only two bills come out of the Congress.You would be screaming if he wasted his time on the multiple bill working there way thru the maze of crap in the two houses. It doesn’t matter, nothing the man does will make any of you happy. So you will just have to ride it out for the next 3 yrs. Try not to get yourself too upsset, as you can just leave all those repubs in office and they can continue to screw us the same way they have been.

          • Deb

            Stop being so condescending.

            Obama said he would sit down and go line by line. He put the blanket offer out there not me… not the press.

            He made the offer and when someone took him up on it he didn’t even have the courtesy to return the call.

            Where do you get that he has to wait for 2 bills before he can talk about them? Heck he’s been talking all along. The problem is that none of the proposed bills match what he says.

            Don’t worry about me. I’m not upset. I set through Clinton and Bush. I can sit through Obama too.

          • eyeswideopen

            Well, Deb, it would be good, if it was out of the committee and the CBO prior to his review. Why would he go line by line through something that doesn’t make it out of committee? There were 5 bills, and it would be a waste of his time to go thru those that aren’t going to be considered. Don’t you agree? It would behove you to make sure you are making sense prior to taking a swipe at him. Just in case you didn’t know, the President doesn’t write the bills either. Just in case you are like Palin, and didn’t know who writes the bills.

          • Deb

            There you go assuming stupidity again. Do you enjoy attacking people personally? Debate without the insults please.

            It seems you agree with me. He never should have put the offer out there as there was no ONE or TWO bills (that part is for you)to discuss at the time he offered the meet. He did it to look good. He likes to do that. The problem is people will take him up on it and he doesn’t follow through with his offer.

            Prime example… Closing Gitmo in a year. He had no plan and no idea what he was dealing with but hey… it was a great publicity stunt. Go Obama! MMM MMM MMM HE got the reaction he wanted and the left cheered.

    • DaveH

      Pete Wilson,
      I will ignore your sarcasm and give you a chance to get educated. This is a free online book. It is 30 years old so some of the quoted events are outdated, but freedom has no expiration date and the concepts will always be valid.
      http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf
      More current versions are available from bookstores.
      I suspect you are an intelligent person, but you need to know that so are most of the people on this board. Show some respect please. I would much prefer to trade information in a non-combative way.

      • eyeswideopen

        Re-read your book, still no answers on how you will reduce government. Your membership did not grow as anticipated, maybe cause you guys don’t ever answer our questions.

  • refuse2lose

    For those of you that doubt there is reason to question these vaccines remember that the pharma companies had a PATENT for the same exact vaccine in 2007.Let’s see,that’s 2 YEARS before the “pandemic”actually occurred.Now how did they have the foresight to know we would have problems and would need a vaccine years before we actually needed it?

    • eyeswideopen

      Refuse, they actually are developing new vaccines three to four years in advance. They don’t wait until the flu outbreak, they work with forecasts of how the virus will morph and come up with many, many variations of the vaccine.

  • Chely

    Everything will be much better, when they evacuate the White House.
    Don’t forget to desinfect the area. It is really sad what is happening
    in our country. who is to be blamed? I think that it is the ignorance,
    etc.

    • DaveH

      Unfortunately Chely, I don’t think that would end the problem. Both parties have been growing the government for the last 3 decades. We need to get together and do what it takes to get the ‘growthers’ out of office. And put representatives in who promise to shrink the size of government dramatically. This could be done in the primaries for the two major parties. But then I recommend that we vote for Libertarians who have not deviated from their principles of individual liberty and limited government since they were started in the mid-seventies. At least look at their party platform carefully:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      I know their drug stance scares a lot of people but remember Prohibition? Did it do any good? No, it just enriched the most immoral segment of society – organized crime. Just as the drug wars are doing now. Are we going to become druggies? Of course not. Alcohol is legal, are we alcoholics? I could go on, but unless you are truly interested in knowledge, I don’t want to waste my time.

  • Chely

    Everything will be fine when the white house is evacuated. Please don’t forget to desinfect the area. It is really sad what is happening
    in our country. who is to blame?. I think it is the ignorance, etc., etc.

  • Norm

    No one knows exactly how many people died during the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic. During the 1920s, researchers estimated that 21.5 million people died as a result of the 1918-1919 pandemic. More recent estimates have estimated global mortality from the 1918-1919 pandemic at anywhere between 30 and 50 million. An estimated 675,000 Americans were among the dead.
    Anyone who faults the government for trying to prevent this from happening again is a fool.
    The risks from the vaccine are minimal because it is made in the same way, using different flu strains, as we have used for a number of years.

    • Bones

      Norm, don’t confuse them with facts. They get their facts from Glenn Beck. Real facts don’t seem to matter here.

      • eyeswideopen

        Bones, LMAO!!!

    • DaveH

      Oh sure, they can double the estimated deaths 90 years later. On what basis? Must be a super-NCIS division working on this case. To go back 90 years and know what people died from. This is Liberalism at its finest. And these people call Glenn Beck a quack.

      • DaveH

        Anyway, none of that matters. Freedom is all about an individual acquiring the facts the best he can, and determining which course of action to follow for his own life. Norm and cohorts can choose to be vaccinated, the rest of us can choose not to.
        Liberals, quit trying to confuse the issue here. The issue is freedom of choice like you advocate when it is your life. Government is force, not reason.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          So who’s forcing you to get a flu shot? For those that want them, at least they will be there.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            Framework is being set in place by the United Nations, and the United States government. A bill is currently before the Massachusetts legislature to do just that. Why do I have to keep repeating myself, read the other comments. Once the mandates are in place it will be too late. It doesn’t do any good to close the barn door after the horse is gone.

          • Lisa Quinby

            DaveH,
            You say the States should have the right to choose what they want to do. But now MA is proposing a law you don’t agree with and now they are no good either. MA is not the Federal Government. The state is making their own law. Why don’t you just admit you don’t want any form of laws or government. You want Chaos.

      • DaveH

        Fence-straddlers, you may wonder why the Liberals fight so hard to get us to lay down for the government steam-rollers. Is it because they care about us? If you believe that, go back through their comments and see how much they have used ridicule, name-calling, and other disrespectful manipulation against those who are just calling for freedom of choice.
        They just want power. They are control-freaks. We all have known control-freaks in our lives who think they know what is best for us.

        • Billy Wells

          Personally Dave, I don’t care about you at all. But I do care about people in general. If someone wants to destroy their own life I say let them. But for those that want to better themselves and live a better life I say we should help them.
          The thing of making insurance mandatory is a bad idea. But then if one decides not to cover themself with insurance they should not have access to health care facilities such as hospitals. The hospital should have the right to turn away anyone that can’t pay. If everyone is offered an affordable plan there should be no excuse for not being covered. Other than stupidity, but I think that is someone’s right to make stupid choices if they want. They should just have suffer with that choice when the time comes.

          • DaveH

            Ignorant people calling me stupid means nothing to me.
            I agree with you on the pay for play concept.
            But throwing disinterested middle men into the equation is not exactly what I call bright.
            You know not of what you speak.

          • DaveH

            Oh, and thanks for admitting that you don’t care about me.
            You have made my point.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, sorry to inform you, THAT WE HAVE THE POWER. So, shove it, dude, you are the ones who are clamering for the power. Silly man.

          • Elaine

            Once again you prove by your own words what a hpocrte and viper you truly are…YOU HAVE THE POWER! Thats what you think! Try to take my power from me eyes ..you are sick!

      • Billy Wells

        Here is some more info for you.

        The State of Our Health – Causes Of Death — Then And Now

        What are we dying of? To begin a look at this topic, let’s compare the major causes of death a century apart — in 1900 and in 2000. In a century, methods of classification have changed a little, but the general categories still hold. The leading cause of death, a hundred years ago as now, is the failure of the heart. The heart is a perennial organ — in life as in death. But, thereafter, things are not the same.

        Data for the year 1900 combine all of the “major cardiovascular diseases.” These include diseases of the heart, stroke (cerebrovascular diseases), hypertension (accompanied or not by renal disease), atherosclerosis, and other forms of heart disease. This combined category also was the leading cause of death in 2000, but data at time of publication were not yet available in full detail to create a matching category. Therefore we show diseases of the heart and stroke in combination. All data are in deaths per 100,000 of population.

        In 1900, sulphonamide (sulfa) drugs had not yet been invented and bacterial diseases carried people off in large numbers. Influenza and pneumonia ranked second as a cause of death. The great influenza epidemic of 1918 was still in the future, and pneumonia was known as the “old man’s friend” — because the old man (or the old lady) swooned off to death rapidly as the infection, which inflames the pulmonary lining, got into the blood stream and carried people off rapidly and relatively painlessly. It was considered a natural cause of death. Influenza is a severe, contagious, viral respiratory disease that occasionally leads to death, especially for people who already have lung disease or are weak. These diseases were still very much with us in 2000 and still ranked in the top 10 — but in seventh position.

        Tuberculosis — once known ominously as consumption, the bloody cough — is an infectious disease that settles in the lungs but can spread from there and attack other organs. According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), 8 million people are still infected annually around the world, and of these 3 million die. TB, as it is also known, came to be controlled by antibiotics but is now staging a return linked, by NIH, to the HIV/AIDS epidemic (those affected are more vulnerable), crowding (which helps to spread it); poverty (it weakens the constitution); and drug use (which decimates the body). There are also other factors, like immigration. In 2000, TB made news by its reemergence, but it did not rank in the top 10 causes of death.

        In 2000, cancer was the second leading cause of death. Among the malignancies, lung cancer is the leading killer. Looking at medical causes only, narrowly construed, heart attack, stroke, and lung cancer take the most lives. It was already present in 1900. In that year, of the top 10 causes of death malignant neoplasms ranked sixth. Lung cancer is associated with smoking. In the 19th century, women largely refrained. The other leading cancers — of digestive organs, genitals, women’s breasts, urinary organs, and leukemia — are less clearly linked to behavior.

        Chronic lower respiratory diseases include, notably, asthma, bronchitis, and emphysema. Most deaths are associated with a diversity of other lower respiratory ailments, but of those named, emphysema is the leader and is much more likely to have been caused by smoking than by coal dust or other industrial pollution.

        Thus in 100 years, we have largely overcome infectious and most viral killers but have replaced them, at least in part, by diseases that may be due to our behavior. The heart’s failure, however, then as now, is the leading cause of death.

        Source: For 1900 data: U.S. Bureau of the Census. Historical Statistics of the United States. Table B149-166, p. 58. For 2000 data: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Online. Available: at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hphome.htm.

      • Norm

        Are 21 million deaths accepatable and 50 milliom not?
        Glen Beck is not a quack – he’s a physco. Check out his comments on the stone carvings in front of Rockefeller Center building.
        Dave for an educated person you really surprise me.

        • Pete Wilson

          Norm, don’t you know that Rockefeller, the king of capitolism was secrectly a communist? LOL
          God to love that one huh?

        • DaveH

          Norm, you surprise me. I see you are using Eyes techniques of twisting my words. I was merely pointing out the fallaciousness of the revised figures.
          We are all going to die someday. The ones with character will accept their fate. The ones without character will take advantage of others in a vain effort to live a while longer.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, obviously your fallaciousness is not obvious!!! LOL.

      • Pete Wilson

        You see, DaveH was presented with a few facts and his choice is not to believe them. He is so brain washed into thinking his freedom is being destroyed he will only believe those that are actually lieing to him.

        • DaveH

          Face it Pete, you are a zealot with a mind closed like a steel trap.

          • Pete Wilson

            Dear DaveH,
            I do believe you are the one with the closed mind. I am always open to other ideas, but you refuse to listen to anyone that has a different opinion than yours.
            Peolpe here have shown you things and you just dismiss then with your smart remarks. You think your crap don’t stink and you are so smart, but you really aren’t as smart as you might think.

          • DaveH

            Thank you Pete, you are exposing yourself much better than I could. I guess this is what Obama meant by ‘transparent’.

    • Thurman Marcum

      Norm,

      My great aunt died from it.You are right.I like to see how many would refuse rabies treatment,if they were bitten by infected animal

      • Elaine

        The rabies vaccine wasn’t created by gov and forced on people who didn’t want it!

  • KDK

    This is for all the ignorant humans on here that continue to make life, health and choice a Party Issue… it isn’t. Drop the damn party lines and look/judge the actions. All parties and all presidents have been tools for industry for many, many, many years. It is so hard to live on this planet populated by ignorant and manipulated fools. Division is key to power and it has definitely worked in this country, as can be seen when reading the political nonsense in these comments.

    As some have said, it is NOT about politics. I have, literally, dozens of historical books that point out the FACTS (based on gov docs and the like) that clearly show, via historical data and events, that the gov of this country is nothing more than the governance for the corporate beings–that have equal rights to living beings… nice.

    “New Study Finds: Thimerosal Induces Autism-like Neurotoxicity
    (15.07.2009) http://www.speciation.net/Public/News/2009/07/15/4385.html

    “Thimerosal is significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds studied (e.g., aluminum sulfate, methylmercury hydroxide, lead acetate, and mercuric chloride). The explanation for Thimerosal’s greater toxicity than even methylmercury hydroxide (MeHgOH) appears to be the fact that Thimerosal was chemically engineered in the 1920s to be a more highly toxic alkylmercury compound, whose biological transport and intracellular delivery properties were enhanced. Compared to MeHgOH, Thimerosal has: 1) higher aqueous solubility (i.e. ability to dissolve in water and water-based systems); 2) higher solubility in cell membranes (i.e. ability to dissolve in cell membranes); and 3) higher intracellular toxicity (i.e. ability to inactivate essential cell processes) and mercury retention.”

    Oh, I am sure it is a real study. They always claim there is not enough evidence to show these injected toxins do damage; so, shouldn’t that be the priority over finding the genetics of corn so they can be patented, or billions looking for a ‘god’ particle? One only needs to understand WHO owns the UN and their agencies to understand the total and complete manipulation that takes place via all govs and their HIGHLY treasonous actions against their citizens in the name of the UN–which is just another front for control.

    If one reads The Body Electric, they will see that over 30 yrs ago, there were demonstrated effects of EMFs and RFs on living being and the research was stopped or not funded (the military/gov and ama will shut down anything useful, especially if it goes against their policy).

    • KDK

      MORE, just in case one wants to have more info on specifics… Also, check what the ‘founder’ of squalene has said… you do the research.


      This study showed Thimerosal-induced cellular damage in human neuronal and fetal-cell model systems in a concentration- and time-dependent fashion using Thimerosal at low nanomolar (parts-per-billion) concentrations. These concentrations are comparable to those found in fetal and early infant exposure to mercury from Thimerosal-containing biologics and vaccines in the 1990s and, in some instances, today. These levels induced significant cellular toxicity in the human neuronal and fetal cells studied. The Thimerosal-induced cellular damage was consistent with that found in pathophysiological studies of patients diagnosed with an ASD. In both instances, the studies found significant mitochondrial dysfunction, reduced cellular oxidative-reduction activity, cell degeneration, and cell death.”

      • Elaine

        KDK You are a Blessing:)

  • Dewey Fish

    what are you people trying to do?? Bring down Big Pharma… what about all of the good they do… Like Fluoride… don’t you want white teeth… sure fluoride causes cancers, it collects in the glands and the bones and makes bones brittle but at least I have White Teeth… and what would we do if we didn’t have over 4000 different pesticides to protect our food supply from insect pest… sure these pesticides cause all kinds of illnesses but at lest we wont starve…
    and if we started to get rid of all of these drigs and pesticides the humna population would surely explode…
    Hell I say give the vaccine to everybody who wants it… lets kill off all of the dummies before it is to late and they get a brain…

    • KDK

      Dewey… yes, it looks like that may happen… it would be all too easy to determine, but they have already started the propaganda that ‘so many cases of heart failure, and this failure and that failure happen daily, so it isn’t the vaccine”, nonsense.

      Our ‘gov’ is so backwards, yet, indoctrination has made the fiction, fact, and the illusion, reality.

      Debilitating effects are long-term and although many may not die tomorrow, they will succumb to some disease later in life more than likely. The flu isn’t killing people anyway, it is all hype. The supposed ‘healthy’ children… well, even on the cdc site, they acknowledge many had underlying issues, but that part seems to have been left out in msm… as is always the case with censored, propagandized news from both left and right.

    • DaveH

      Unfortunately Dewey, they are not dummies, it would be much easier if they were. What they are is contemptuous of their fellow human being’s freedom. And they are willing to twist the truth every which way to achieve their goals.

    • American Citizen

      Flouride is not to whiten the teeth, it’s to protect them from cavities. But I agree with you, they add it to our water and it does cause illnesses.

  • pambow10

    The nasal vaccine is a tamed live virus.

  • DaveH

    For any of you who don’t know what is going on right now. Get a copy of Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals” and read it. See if you don’t recognize the methods that are being used by Obama and his sycophantic supporters.

    • Norm

      DaveH
      Rules for Radicals! Yeah I’ll read that right after MEIN KAMPF.

      • DaveH

        Hey, in case you haven’t noticed Norm, you and your cohorts are the ones advocating force.

      • Michael J.

        Norm, you would do well to take the advice of DaveH. Both Obama and Hilary are desciples of Saul Alinsky. While your at it search Cloward-Piven.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, I have a question for you, where was all this uproar when Clinton held office? Why when the Dem’s won the seats in 2007 didn’t you all come out and raise all this hell? Why do you think in a mere 8 months so much damage has occurred, except you then say he hasn’t passed anything? Where were you people when Bush wanted to pass immigration legislation and the Congress wouldn’t let him? Where were you when he did pass the Patriot Act? Where were you when they passed the Medicare Advantage bill costing 800 billion?
      Where were you when “Bush Admin bBacks Gun Control, Newsmax Jan 13,2008. http://www.Newsmax.com/insidecover/gun_control_d.c./2008/01/13/64033.html
      Where was the outrage then? Funny how the gun owners are now upset isn’t it? Now that a black man is President, you gun owners are fearful of losing your rights. I think word would describe that fear, but I hate to call people stupid. LOL.

  • DaveH
  • pambow10

    Healthcare is not a right?
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    Kind of hard to be healthy and happy without the proper healthcare to keep you alive

    Where does it say you have the right to be healthy and happy? You have the right to Life, you have the right to Liberty and you have the right to PURSUE happiness. It does not say anything about a healthy Life or guaranteed happiness.

    • Pete Wilson

      Wow, now we are questioning the wording of the Declaration of Independence!

      I quess back then they didn’t care about sick people either.

    • DaveH

      Well then, I guess those Southern Slave Owners weren’t such bad guys after all. They were just pursuing happiness.

      • libertytrain

        I found this info on the Web in several places – so feel free to look yourself – I was fascinated because I had never heard this…

        “Dear Editor, Newark Star Ledger;

        “I read with interest the article entitled “Group plans march for slave reparations” but was disappointed in not finding any mention of free blacks who owned slaves. This subject was mentioned in AMERICAN HERITAGE, Feb./Mar. 1993 (vol. 441) under the title ‘Selling Poor Steven’ beginning on page 90. Citing the official US Census of 1830, there were 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves.

        “Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American Slavery, was Mr. Anthony Johnson, of Northampton VA. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. This is part of Virginia”s history that deserves attention.

        “The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners, among other things. Most libraries carry back issues of American Heritage.

        “Another interesting book on the same subject is ‘Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States’ in 1830, by the noted black historian, Carter G. Woodson. This book lists the names and address of free blacks who owned slaves. Among them is one George C. Washington of Washington DC.

        “How will it be determined who is descended from the black slave owners? Are descendents of free black slave owners to be included in this lawsuit? Will any consideration be given to the fact that African Americans today are far better off than practically all the blacks still in Africa?

        “Perhaps repatriation would be a more equitable solution. Liberia was established for just that purpose.

        “For Publication,”

        • Thurman Marcum

          Libertytrain,

          No one mentions the american indian.We can’t ignore them.

          • libertytrain

            I am aware of what the American Indian has been subjected to – I just had never heard about this before – and can’t imagine why it was never discussed in any area of my education.

      • Lisa Quinby

        You mean slave owners like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?

        • DaveH

          Slavery was wrong Lisa no matter who the owner was. Our task now is to resist being enslaved to the people in government. Government is force.

        • Elaine

          Lisa did you know Irish people were stolen from their beds and brought to this country as slaves … should we redistribute the wealth to Ireland also? where does it end? We are Americans …not slaves anymore…. yet with the way things are being pushed through it won’t be long until we are once again.

    • eyeswideopen

      Pambow, yes, isn’t something that people dying of cancer are so happy? Just remarkable isn’t it? Pursuit of happiness allows you to keep thinking those uncharitable thoughts. It also allows you get a communicable disease and pass it to everyone you can, since you didn’t want to take precautions. Pursuit of happines covers almost all of your actions, good and bad. Lucky us.!!

  • pambow10

    She can believe anyway she wants too, I just don’t want someone that ill informed running this country.

    And Obama’s 100 days as a Senator is informed?

    • Pete Wilson

      I think he became a senator in 2003 or 2004. Slightly more than 100 days

      • Michael J.

        Yeah Pete I remember, he refused to swear in on a Bible and demanded a Quran instead. Kind of an odd thing for a christian to do, don’t you think?

        • Lisa Quinby

          When did that happen?

          • eyeswideopen

            Lisa, ignor him, it’s the drugs. lol

        • Thurman Marcum

          Michael,

          What are you Drinking?

  • Art G

    ALL I NEED TO SAY IS PLEASE DEMOCRATS GO GET YOUR H1N1 FLU SHOTS YOU TOO MR & MRS OBAMA & KIDS… HEY JOE BIDEN GET YOUR FLU SHOTS… NANCY PELOSI GET YOUR FLU SHOTS.. PLEASE ALL YOU LIBERALS GET YOUR FLU SHOTS IF YOU SOOOOOO MUCH BELIEVE ALL THIS PLEASE GO GET YOUR SHOTS…..
    IM SURE WE RIGHT WINGERS, REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIST WILL PAY FOR YOUR SHOTS THROUGH EXTREMELY HIGH TAXES. IM SURE IT WILL BE WORTH EVERY PENNY…

    GOD BLESS AMERICA

    AND HEY BARACK I WOULD RATHER MOVE TO ANTARTICA THAT TO TAKE YOUR B.S. SHOT/MARK….FINE ME ALL YOU WANT TAKE MY HOUSE MY CARS BUT I WILL NOT TAKE YOUR MARK

    THE VERICHIP IS IN THE SHOT YEP THOSE DAYS ARE COMING

    HEY LIBS SAY WHAT YOU WANT I DONT CARE JUST TAKE THE SHOT AND SHUT UP

    • Norm

      ArtG
      I’ve been getting flu shots since 1976. I’ve gotten them when we’ve had dem. and rep. goverments. Now that Obama is president why is it suddenly an evil plot? You guys really need to get away from hate radio.
      As far as wasted tax dollers, add up some of the war costs. They are pushing the trillion $ level.

      • Pete Wilson

        Oh Norm, all those years of flu shots! They are taking over your mind. It’s all about mind control don’t you know that? LOL

        As for the war, it’s perfectly fine to spend money all over the world, but as soon as we spend it here on Americans it’s wasteful spending. I guess they feel Americans aren’t worth their tax dollars but Iraq and Iran are. Humpf?

        • DaveH

          Keep talking Liberals, the more you talk, the more the people can see what Liberals are all about.

          • Lisa Quinby

            I guess I am a Liberal. I believe in equal rights for everyone.

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          • Deb

            At this point in time who does not have equal rights?

            All Americans want equal rights

          • Pete Wilson

            Dave doesn’t have equal rights. His rights and freedoms were taken away.
            I dunno.

          • DaveH

            You’re right Lisa. I want to fly all over the world and party like Barack and Michelle are doing.
            The USSR had equal rights. Joy.

          • Elaine

            Dave …well we know they can copy and paste…and if this admin gets its way we will no longer be able to debate these issues online or in the media or anywhere without some kind of threat…is that the tolerance they speak of?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, they are certainly better than the party who wants to dictate to you what religion you must have, what you must do with your own body, what and who you will vote into office, and what to think. The liberals are looking damn good. Freedom of thought!! What a new concept. Libertarian, route word Liberal??? No, could it be? The libertarians are very close in the defination of liberals. Why do you try to hide under the Republican cloak?

        • Elaine

          pete no ones telling you you can’t spend your $…do it! It’s the stealing we are don’t agree with.

      • Elaine

        Norm in 1976 there were quite a few people who refused the flu shots….we’re still alive….and doing very well thank you.

  • pambow10

    I think it’s up to Juan to better himself.

    • Pete Wilson

      Juan does want to better himself. He works hard every day. But he only makes $7 an hour and has to pay $140 a week to pay for his health insurance. He just found out yesterday his insurance is going up anoother 18% in Jan. How can he afford to go to school? Of course even if he had the money he don’t have the time.

      • Deb

        Do make this up as you go?

        • Pete Wilson

          Yes,
          But Juan could be any number of low income people living in the United States. There are good honest working people out there that need help.

          • Deb

            Even if the US was in the greatest of times, there will always be those that need help.

            That is what communities or even states are for… not the “Federal” government.

          • Elaine

            Pete are you trying to say that there are no poor or sick in Cuba? How about Chavez world? The USSR? China? Europe? The Arab Nations? Canada? etc…Who in this world has treated their poor or sick better than the good people of the USA? I’m curious? We not only try to care for our own we give to all those other countries…and you think we should be more like them? Nobody said we’re perfect but you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water…thats just common sense!

        • eyeswideopen

          Deb, you don’t have to make it up, it is happen ten fold every 12 minutes in this country. Try a station other than Fox, CSpan is good. Even the BBC is carrying our issues.

          • Deb

            Eyes,,,,, He already said, yes he makes it up as he goes along.

            You love being condescending don’t you? Try not assuming that people are only Fox watchers.

          • Pete Wilson

            So I did make up the story about Juan. The thing is how many of you actually realize that there are Americans that need help? What is so wrong about a federal government trying to help it’s people? They might not always get it right, but it’s nice to know that someone is there that actually cares.
            Communities and states try to to help. However states don’t have any money to help now either. You all want to talk about communities, ok then, how many of you anti government people donate time, money and products to homeless shelters and food banks? Do you drop any money in the Salvation Army pot at Christmas time or do you just walk by? Why don’t you donate all year long? How much do you give to the United Way and Good Will?
            The thing is people are greedy, they don’t help out community groups like you say. And those that do not to the point that is needed. I must also admit that I do not donate as much as I should. Because of people like you and I it leaves the government to get involved and try to help. What would happen to this country if we took away all the social programs that we have? You might think it will be better but have you ever been to the inner cities or extreme rual parts of the country where people are truely poor? You think in terms of yourself nice and safe in your suburban home, but there are many in need. Why is it that in America where we have so much wealth we have so many poor? Why is it that you want the American Dream for yourself but not for others? This is America! We should be leading the world in everything! We should be number one in everything, we should have the best of everything and the least of poor and suffering people.
            If you really want to get America back, the first thing you need to do is to get manufacturing jobs back into this country. That will put people to work and create jobs. Corperate greed let the manufacturing jobs leave our shores. What ould happen if the rest of the world imposed sanctions on the US? We wouldn’t even have clothes to wear. If we had factories we could put so many people back to work.

  • DaveH

    From Wikipedia, confirmed deaths from H1N1 flu pandemic:
    4504 people died ‘worldwide’ so far in 2009.

    From CDC (stats from 2005, latest I could find):
    20,426 people died from accidental falls in the ‘United States’.

    I think what we need is to pass a law that everyone has to use a wheelchair. No walking or running. Yeah, maybe Michael Moore can make a movie about this.

    • DaveH

      This is interesting. On the same Wikipedia page, there is this comment:
      “The USA introduced a new reporting system on August 30, 2009
      and since then stopped reporting H1N1 deaths.”

    • eyeswideopen

      Funny, Michael Moore must threaten you. Yep, the movie clearly shows that capitalism is for the poor, while socialism is for Corporate America, and it is bankrupting middle class America. Take away the rules and the greedy have a hard time restraining themselves. Example is the over 52,000 off shore accounts in UBS. Many other place that money is hidden from the IRS. That is just one example. Why do you think that the wealthy don’t think they should pay taxes? Deregulation of financial regulations has proven to cause economic debacles that will take this country years to correct.

      • Elaine

        And you think Big Gov can fix it? Their all in bed with the bankers and the big corp….I’m just saying they bailed out everyone but the little guys so who are they helping? Since you’re so smart I’m sure you have the answer to the ills of the world right?

        • george

          Could someone name a branch of the government that actually performs a function efficiently?

      • DaveH

        “Deregulation of financial regulations”? You mean they’ve got regulations on regulations now?
        All kidding aside, I have given Eyes various links to debunk her statements of financial deregulation, but she chooses to ignore them. She just wants to spout her Liberal misinformation.
        Here is one: http://reason.org/news/show/the-myth-of-financial-deregula
        Much of the housing bubble resulted because government entities were coercing the banks to lend to marginal borrowers. Of course there were also companies who thought the rewards of higher-interest loans to risky borrowers were worth the risk of default by those borrowers. How many of those mistaken lenders were bailed out by the government (with taxpayer money) so they could continue to compete against the companies that did things right?

  • Patricia,Grass Valley, CA

    WOW! So much hateful rhetoric. I’ve had flu shots every year since they started. I’ve NEVER had the flu. I’ll get the H1N1 for sure. I’m 74 and have asthma. Not taking any chances.

    • DaveH

      Who is more hateful? A person who forces his neighbors to do what they don’t want to do, or a person who lets his neighbors choose for themselves?

      • eyeswideopen

        Or a group in the minority trying to force the majority to do what they want?

    • Elaine

      Patricia, Oxy Silver……check it out …I’ve never had a flu shot and think if you wish to get them thats your porogative…most of the anger is aimed at those who feel this vaccine should be imposed on the population. The debate is more about the Freedom ..It seems… than anything else

  • pambow10

    My daughter is in college and aged out of my insurance, so I bought insurance for her so that she would have coverage. It amounted to $133 per MONTH. After two years I am paying $138 per MONTH for the insurance. Where are you getting your figures? Did Juan shop around? Is Juan a legal citizen? Does he qualify for medicaid? Does Juan have money for cigarettes, drugs, alcohol and tatoos? Most people making $7 don’t purchase health insurance. My family didn’t have insurance for many years. Yes it can put you in a pickle, but nobody owed me insurance.

    • Pete Wilson

      Why do ask if Juan is legal? You are stero typing him based on his name. He was born and raised in Baltimore MD if you must know. His parents and grand parents were also born here.
      He doesn’t smoke or drink or do drugs, he goes to work and provides the best he can for his family. He doesn’t depend on anyone for anything, but wishes he had more cash to move into a better neighborhood. Of course he could always drop his insurance coverage, but what if his little 3 year old daughter gets sick? How would he pay the doctor’s bill?

      • Elaine

        pete with the VAT tax pelosi is
        proposing…and thecost of mandatory health ins…fines if you don’t buy it…and treat of imprisonment if you don’t pay the fines…how is that FREE healthcare???????

      • Rodney Andregg

        Petie…we know you like juan and sleep with LARAZA and the ACLU so take them with you and get out of this country you keep complaining about or the REAL PEOPLE that live here we the real human beings are on to you and your tribe….sell your crap else where and that goes for any other commies on this website ….”America love her or leave her.”

    • Norm

      pambow10
      Your daughter’s insurance is relatively cheap and stable because college age kids, especially girls, rarely need medical attention. I bet you could by her life insurance for next to nothing.

  • Lisa Quinby

    So why am I forced to buy car insuance? I’m a safe driver. In 25 years of driving I never once caused an accident. If we don’t have to cover our own bodies why should I be forced to cover a stupid car?

    • DaveH

      Lisa, I don’t think the auto liability insurance laws do any real good. The responsible people aren’t a problem, and the irresponsible people still don’t buy the required liability insurance. Meanwhile the auto insurance companies get richer by government mandate.
      But whether you agree with me or not on that issue, the auto liability insurance laws are to protect other people from you. The Health Care bill is to protect you from yourself.
      I choose purposely not to have Health insurance. I don’t want to waste my precious financial resources on the middle-man (whether a bureaucrat or a private insurer). I pay for my own doctor bills. If I can’t, oh well, I die a little sooner maybe.
      And I know, “society will be forced to take care of me”. Sorry, but I don’t accept that as a valid argument. If I give you an unsolicited gift can I therefore choose how you should repay me?

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, I sure hope you have a tatoo on your forehead that states, you do not want medical care, if not, you will be transported and cared for in a hospital, which you have no insurance to cover. Which all the rest of us will be paying for. Have you checked the cost of the average 3 day stay in a hospital? I want to thank you for admitting that you don’t give a crap about the rest of us, and we will think of you when our premiums go up once again. You are just as bad as the illegal immigrants who don’t have insurance.

      • Cory

        What happens if you get really sick and end up with medical bills in the hundreds of thousands of dollars? Do you have enough money saved to take care of these bills? What if you have a stroke and can’t tell the hospital you refuse treatment because you don’t have insurance? Do you have life insurance or do you think that is a waste too? Who will pay to put you in the ground or creamated? These places that do this work are businesses that expect to make a profit. They don’t want to treat you or burry you for free.
        For an educated person you’re not very smart are you?

    • Elaine

      You’re not forced to buy a car….mandatory car ins is for the guy you hit not you.

  • Darreld

    Gee, it’s nice to see so many people in here can spell and actually have intelligent discussions. NOT!!! What are you? A bunch of
    troglodytes? Get some home schooling and spend some time with a dictionary and a thesaurus. There is nothing worse than arguing online with someone who simply can’t spell or read. So much for liberal education. I might add that Sarah Palin is so far ahead of Barak Hussein (Barry Sotero)(who the hell am i?) Obama in everything respect. She’s better looking, speaks better (doesn’t always need a teleprompter), knows more, and of course, every sentence out of her mouth isn’t a blatant lie.

    • Norm

      Darreld
      We get so dependent on spell check for spelling and grammer that we don’t bother with books anymore.

    • eyeswideopen

      Darreld, and it only took her five different colleges and five years to graduate from college. You have the nerve to compare her with Obama? You need to go back to school and learning how to compare like situations. This is an example of people totally discounting the facts and reacting with emotions. Really not a good thing when chosing a world leader.

  • http://exlibhollywood.blogspot.com/2008/07/gallos-egg.html Clark Baker

    This year alone, Big Pharma has been fined billions in civil and criminal liability for corruption. The FDA, CDC and NIH are nothing more than marketing wings of the pharmaceutical industry. Let’s hope that Americans are smarter than those who believe HIV and CO2 are existential threats.

    • KDK

      That hope is almost absurd. Look at the responses on this forum. It is NOT a political issue, but a health issue and so many avoid the
      actual argument and argue about politics–as is the plan.

      Once you find out what is in vaccines, and they are loaded with toxins and ‘guesses’ of which strain to use, it is up to the individual to decide whether it is injected into your sovereign body. What is more sacred/sovereign, the body or the fictional creation known as the gov? Actually, the World Gov is the key… bushy one (all bush members should be in jail and have their assets stripped if one were to acknowledge their atrocities since the 1920s) was signing papers regarding the REAL Agenda 21, and Codex A… these will limit quality and give control of nutrition to agencies (look it up and decide for yourselves–try Ian Crane to start).

      Anyway, all of politics is a front because the people’s voice is NOT represented and bho is a shady criminal whose associations speak louder than words–the company this dude keeps is frightening… Czars with absolutely disgusting backgrounds, and more power than our elected officials is NEVER good for the people.

      They do have Mammalian Sterilization vaccines… I would add that it used to be for cows, but has been updated to say mammals. If you follow the link you will see in the wording, that they think they are SO WONDERFUL for creating such a great and beneficial vaccine that can sterilize other beings–yeah, I am waiting for them to say “oops, sorry kids, your flu vaccine was mixed with our sterilization vaccine.. but, you can’t sue us”… Watch Children of Men to see that scenario play out.

      I am a realist and I have seen far too much evidence from the people who run the AMA, ADA, pharma, gov, schools, etc., to NOT trust a single word coming from their mouths. Doctors are pharma drug pushers that cannot even tell you the ingredients in the shots they give or the meds they prescribe. Pathetic excuse for ‘healers’.

      “The vaccine is injected subcutaneous into animals to cause an immune response against GnRH. Antibodies to the GnRH fusion protein remove naturally occurring GnRH from the animal and prevent FSH/LH release.
      The vaccine causes sterility in both males and females.” http://www.amplicon-vaccine.com/downloads/SterilizationVaccine.ppt

      Do humans have GnRH? Hell, yes.
      “GnRH causes the pituitary gland to secrete follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone, which act on the ovaries and testes to produce sex steroids that control such things as menstruation, lactation and sperm formation.”

      Of course these would NEVER be used on humans, right? Just ‘other’ mammals. My point is… everyone should wake up to reality and the fact that because you haven’t heard it on the news, doesn’t mean a damn thing.

      • Elaine

        Thank You:)

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wynder

    In the late ’60′s, flu vaccine was being given in a series of two shots. My whole family got the first shot. For reasons I don’t recall, I was unable to get the second shot. My family did. They all got the flu; I didn’t!

    I have tried, through good nutrition, to maintain my immune system and since then I have been bedfast with the flu only one time–while we were in Trinidad, a tropical country! As a child up to my early married years, I spent a week in bed EVERY winter. Then Dr. Jonas Salk came up with thr idea that vitamin C would prevent colds. I started taking it (and since have added other vitamins) and have not had a cold since. That was 50 years ago. I have had touches of the flu since like nausea, diarrhea but only for a day or two. Oh, and since that shot I missed, I have never had a flu shot, and I have no intention of getting one.

    • Norm

      Wynder
      There are religious extremeists who think they can pray sickness away. There folks like you who have all kinds of unproven notions and folklore ideas on cause and cure of illness. But in the last 100 years SCIENCE has come up with documented proven FACTS. People who ignore facts are fools.

      • DaveH

        Yes, like the fact that socialism has failed miserably in every country that has fully implemented it.

        • eyeswideopen

          Daveh. so now the countries realize that you only implement parts of the social programs, which support the Christian values of compassion, and caring for your neighbor. History has taught the various countries, which programs will work for them.

      • Thurman Marcum

        Norm,

        You are right.Christainty was borrow from anncient myths.Read Deceptions and Myths of the Bible. This was written by a bible scholar.You will enjoy it.It is loaded with facts.Faith healing is a sick joke.

    • eyeswideopen

      Wynder, so you buy into some of the teaching of Dr. Salk who cured polio, but isn’t that everyone’s right to choose? Did you get the polio vaccine?

  • Lisa Quinby

    Libertarianism

    Libertarianism is a term adopted by a broad spectrum[1] of political philosophies which advocate the maximization of individual liberty[2] and the minimization or even abolition of the state.[3][4] Libertarians embrace viewpoints across that spectrum, ranging from pro-property to anti-property, from minarchist to openly anarchist.[1][5][6][7]

    All forms of libertarianism support strong personal rights to life and liberty, but do not agree on the subject of property.[8] The most commonly known formulation of libertarianism supports free market capitalism[8] by advocating a right to private property, including property in the means of production,[9] minimal government regulation of that property, minimal taxation, and rejection of the welfare state, all within the context of the rule of law.[10][11][12] Some pro-property libertarians are anarchists who call for the elimination of the state.[13] Some call the pro-property view propertarian, and some pro-property libertarians believe a “propertarian philosophy” is a weak basis for libertarian morality.[14] A number of countries worldwide have libertarian parties which run candidates for political office.

    Libertarian socialists—the first political activists to adopt the term libertarian in the mid-19th century—are anarchists, opposed to arbitrary structures of authority and hierarchy in personal relations and the larger social order.[15] Most notably they are opposed to state power and forms of private property such as capital, but also oppose patriarchy and racism.[16][17][18] These libertarians often believe in the abolition of private property and may be called non-propertarian or anti-propertarian.[19][20] They do not seek state solutions, instead looking to voluntary and popularly controlled associations.

    • DaveH

      I realize that words are subject to distortion at any time. Such is the English language.
      Unfortunately Libertarians are a huge threat to those who are in the leadership class or close to the leadership class. So we are constantly attacked with misinformation as that which Lisa is spreading.
      For those of you who are truly interested in what my brand of Libertarians believe read this free online book:
      http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

      (much different than what Lisa presented

      • DaveH

        And to see what the Libertarian Party stands for see this:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • eyeswideopen

        You are not a threat to us. Your party is so insignificant that they are on the Republican ballot. Your idea of a smaller government is something that you have never been able to explain how it would be implemented. Threat? Dream on. Yes, you probably have a radical group of ex-republicans, but the majority in this country realize that you cannot go backwards 200 years, and must seek to improve our presnt system.

        • DaveH

          Eyes,
          If I tried to develop the benefits of free markets and limited government on this board, Bob would throw me out. And few would read it anyway because a good treatise of the subject would take a book many times larger than the health care bill which very few read. There are lots of resources on the web and in the library for anyone who is truly interested in the benefits of freedom. I can only provide snippets of information on these comments. One resource on the web is http://www.mises.org

        • Elaine

          Eyes You seem to be the only RADICAL on this board go back to you DEM agoge hole and drink up your radical koolaid…nobody cares what you think! You’re just trying to get people mad and start trouble…buzz off!

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, you are right, I didn’t realize that all you radicals, just what to pump each other up with your hate. I guess it is to see which one of you will be the idiot who will commit the act that shows the world what hypocrites we really are. I don’t know what saddens me more, the fact that you all pretend to be patriots, or that you pretend to be Christians. When you are writting such hateful lies, why don’t you ask yourself Would Jesus say this? You and your crew have brought out things in me that I really don’t like. I was nice and cordial until the other night, when I read how an ex-Marine, hates his brothers in arms. Sad, very sad, and I wonder how many of his fellow soliders he let die, because they were democrats? So now you people don’t like the fact, that I act and say the same type of things that you do. Discusting isn’t it? Mirror, Mirror on the wall.

        • Cory

          Can you just imagine how crimes of theft and murder and others would explode if people like DaveH actually got their way and did away with things like Welfare, Medicare, Medicade, Food Stamps and so on? I mean people that depend on that income would suddenly have none. Where will they go to get money just to survive? They will steel from those that have. That’s how. Everyone will buy guns and people will start to blow each other away because it will be the only way to protect yourself. You won’t even be able to think about going into a city. We would see lawlessness worse than Dodge City Kansas had back in the 1800′s. No one would be safe.

      • Cory

        Or you can read it at this web site too.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)

    • Elaine

      Lisa “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” you copy and paste that if you want….what kind of ism do you think that comes from?

    • eyeswideopen

      Lisa, nice job, appreciate your effort. You presented the facts in a short and precise manner. Kudos to you.

  • Cory

    After reading all of these comments it is clear to me that DaveH must be a little boy not getting his way. He has nothing of value to add to the converstion, he just repeats the same old lines Government is out to get him. When someone else presents facts rather than give an honest debate he just says something to try and belittle that person.
    My heart goes out to you Dave. I can only assume you have few friends and your friend is the internet. This is your way of getting the much needed attention you desire. A confrontation is better than no attention at all.
    Maybe you should seek professional help from a doctor to find out why you act the way you do. Most times mental care is covered under insurance and it shouldn’t cost you much.
    I hope someday you feel better about yourself.

    • DaveH

      Interesting Cory that your comment is full of ridicule, name-calling, and other forms of verbal manipulation. Anybody that is familiar with my postings knows that I only use those Liberal techniques against those that use them first.

      • DaveH

        Also I might add that your vehement personal attack just shows that you Liberals fear my words. If I was irrelevant, you wouldn’t bother with me.

        • Cory

          I bother with you because you seem to think you know it all. You need to grow up and learn how to be a big boy and think for yourself. You don’t seem able to do that. You just repeat what others have placed in your brain.

    • Elaine

      Hey Cory…I see you must be on the Alinski team too! the topic is H1N1 vaccinations…you can try all you want to belittle others but it won’t work on people who see right through your tactics! Have a nice day!

      • Cory

        Elaine,
        Your comments on here are really out there. You try to look like you know what you’re talking about but you really have no clue do you.

    • eyeswideopen

      Cory, DAVE doesn’t believe in insurance. I agree, he never answers questions about how the Libertarians would make the changes he so loudly requests. Tell us, how with a population this large, they will cut the police, emergency personel, medicare, military, all of the services that we enjoy today. He never has an answer. I have asked him repeatedly to give one example of an impeachable offense that Obama has committed, and he also fails to answer that. He is just a cheerleader for the Libertarian Party. Notice the word Liberal in that name? LOL

      • DaveH

        Another of Saul’s tactics – putting words in one’s mouth. Can you show me one of my comments, Eyes, where I said anything about impeachment?

      • DaveH

        Oh sure, and notice the word ‘cheers’ in cheerleader. I guess you are implying they are all drinkers? Come on Eyes, quit stretching it.

        • Cory

          It really bothers you when someone points out the truth about you, huh?

      • DaveH

        Eyes,
        This is from my state (AZ). This is fascinating. Especially read the part about Dibor Roberts:
        http://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/1322.html

  • Linda

    Whatever happened to a good debate without personal attack??

    • libertytrain

      There have been some excellent comments over the weeks but for some it’s a few people going back and forth with each other – seems to be how they get their pleasure – no debate, just mudslinging. If it brings them joy – let them play. Like I said, there’s some truly interesting comments going on – as one easily wades through the rest.

  • Linda

    Wynder…..I totally agree……Good nutrition is the key! I am 69 years young, take NO prescription drugs and do not intend to. I firmly believe God made the human body to heal itself if necessary with good nutrition and common sense. My motto is when I go to the grocery store, I read the ingredients and if there is anything in there I cannot pronounce, I do not buy it. There are way too many chemicals in the foods.

    • American Citizen

      There’s an old joke that says, “Eat natural foods, exercise, die from natural causes.” I just hope you never get cancer. Once you have it, there is no end. You can do everything right and still get it.

      • DaveH

        Sorry Citizen, I have to respectfully disagree. As the saying goes “We are what we eat”. Of course, some of us just have bad genes and we can do nothing about that. But generally I believe that most bodily dysfunctions are the result of past poor nutrition.
        I had a terrible diet all through my early 20s and paid a big price for it. I have had CFIDS since age 26. My life-mate also has an immune dysfunction but hers was the result of a horrific traffic accident and the resulting infections that she incurred.
        We eat as healthy and naturally (staying away from processed foods) as possible. That and exercise have helped us live pretty normal lives.

    • Elaine

      I agree also! we have been made wonderfully! If healthcare were truly the issue natural remedies …nutrition…and alternative medicine wouldn’t be a threat to the FDA….are you aware of HR1247?…a foot under the door to shut down organic gardening…and thats only one…they always claim that these laws are for our safety…www.healthfreedomus.org. These people are truly fighting for health freedom.

      • eyeswideopen

        Elaine, those people are the Phrma companies, who don’t want the natural healing industry to have any market share. Wake up girl, the people with all the money, Big Corporate America, are stopping competition.

        • DaveH

          Eyes,
          I agree that some corporations are bent on taking advantage of us, but as long as government isn’t in bed with them, they can’t force us to do anything.
          It really isn’t hard to get money to start up a competitive company with good ideas. They sprang up like rabbits at the turn of the century. The hard part is wading through all the government regulations. The big companies don’t mind all those regulations because they can afford their cadres of lawyers and accountants to handle the paperwork and delays. But those regulations are crushing the small companies.
          The governments usual response to fraud is to pass more laws that saddle the guiltless companies with tons of paperwork to assure the government they are being good, which costs those companies time and money. And then the paperwork is scrutinized (or not so) by bureaucrats (more money).
          We would save an exhorbitant amount of money if our government would just concentrate on punishing the fraudulent companies and leaving the rest alone.

          • American Citizen

            You’re right on the paperwork the government forces businesses to comply with. One of our daughters and her husband bought a small grocery store, the only one for miles for small communities around there. The amount of paperwork they had to do forced them to go to a CPA for help. They finally closed the store as the taxes and paperwork proved their undoing.

            I also worked for a government program in our local school system, helping children who had reading problems. We had to keep paperwork on each one of them that nobody ever looked at. Talk about a waste of time and money. I loved working with the children and see the “lights come on” when they finally “got it.” But we could have worked with more children instead of wasting time on that stupid paperwork.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, you know damn well, that you can’t get the repubs to punish, Hailburton, KBR, Lockheed, Northrup, Come on, dude. It has been tried time and time again, without success. Reason, Big Government Contractor in some repub state. Right now a poor 19 year old who was gang raped while working for contractor in Iraq, was not allowed to sue, as they wanted her to go to arbitration and not pursue her civil rights. Finally a judge has ruled she has the right to bring charges. Money and greed in this country has made us blind to justice. We have lost our way and nobody wants to work at solving issues.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, How about punishing the tax evaders who reap the benefits of living here but do not think they should pay taxes on their income? How about those people who use all the same services that the $7.00 hour person uses but hides their money abroad? What about them? It is estimated that UBS customers, 52,000 of them have avoided taxes in the amount of 186 Billion, yes Billion. What about them?

        • Elaine

          Follow the $ you’ll find that the majority of our so called reps have there hands in the pie!

        • Elaine

          Eyes …and I guess the fact that HR1247 also has a provision in it that would allow the FDA to declare marshall law on the areas they wish to shut down….WHY? Read the bill and open your blind eyes!

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, I read HR1247 Protecting tenants at Foreclosure and I didn’t see anything about the FDA in the bill, where was it? What section?

  • tom

    Way too much fear mongering. If we believed all the theories going around we would all go nuts! Just watch what you are doing. Be sensible and don’t worry about so much of this malarkey.

    • American Citizen

      After having pneumonia 3 times, I got the pneumonia shot. Haven’t had it since.

      Also, for those of you who think the flu is an upset stomach and diarrhea, that could come from something you ate or a side effect from a drug you took. The flu is a respiratory disease, that’s why it’s so deadly.

    • DaveH

      As Hitler said: “How fortunate for politicians that people do not think”.

      • DaveH

        The above wasn’t directed at you Citizen.

    • Thurman Marcum

      Tom,

      I know, just read what Tom Barnes posted.He is completely nuts.

  • Norm

    “The masses have little time to think. And how incredible is the willingness of modern man to believe.”
    Adolf Hitler

    Sounds like Rush Limbaugh.

    “A violently active, intrepid, brutal youth – that is what I am after… I will have no intellectual training. Knowledge is ruin for my young men.”
    Adolf Hitler

    Hate radio?

    Where a new invention promises to be useful,
    it ought to be tried.
    Thomas Jefferson

  • DaveH

    I am very heartened by the amount of traffic that this board has generated. It proves to me that there are still a large amount of people out there who haven’t succumbed to the Liberal swan-song of “Just do as we tell you!”.

  • Constant Gina

    H1N1 is going to be the updated version of the common cold where there is no cure just major suppression through medicine.

  • froggo

    We are the Borg(Liberals).Resistance is futile.

  • Greg Parkman

    I’m an American citizen. I support the USA. Although I have ancestry from abroad like most, I acknowledge it without waving it around proudly. If you have to do that, you really should move back to your respective homelands. I detest seeing people in America displaying their country’s flags. Nobody cares or is positively motivated to see you proclaim your heritage. If it weren’t so insulting to the USA, it would be funny, especially for example the Guatemala bumper stickers. What kind of immigrant thinks it’s honorable to inform the world what you’re from Guatemala, Ecuador?
    I honestly don’t care what is going on in my ancestors’ countries.
    I can hear all the whiners calling me a ‘hater’, etc. Such an over-used childish cry, that is. Here’s a thought-recognize my love for America in my ramblings on this blog, instead of dwelling on the negatives.
    And we’re not talking about how cultures contribute to our ethnic cuisine choices here, either.

    • eyeswideopen

      Greg, love your attitude, glad you are an American. Myself, I try to make the people urging civil war and those trying to ignite a violent action to see what they are saying. It hasn’t been working. When they make a statement that is untrue, I just research and give them the facts, which they don’t like as it usually points to the previous admin, who had control of this country for 12 years and caused alot of our problems. I hope you love this country as much as it seems.

  • DaveH

    I’m listening to Glenn Beck about vaccination vs. non-vaccination.
    One of the panel members said it is a moral issue (this guy is a doctor) because if we don’t receive the vaccination we are endangering our neighbor. How? If the neighbor gets the vaccine he will be safe, won’t he? Unless the vaccine doesn’t work. Then the neighbor would still be at risk even if we did take it. Unbelievable. We have to think for ourselves, because even the most well-intentioned people don’t necessarily give you all the facts.

    • Norm

      DaveH
      You are very lucky to live in a country that has the ability to produce the vaccine and enough concern for it’s citizens to make it available.
      If you don’t personally want the shot, don’t take it. Nobody’s forcing you. Nobody’s trying to screw you over.
      Is there a risk? Yes, but it’s small. There is a risk when you get on a plane, drive your car, get treated by a doctor, eat food you don’t produce, etc.
      Listen to Beck’s twisted nonsense.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, did your kids get vaccines to go to school?

      • libertytrain

        I think what’s in question is the methodology planned for these vaccinations that is of concern to many – for me, I really would prefer my freedom of choice in this particular case – and many others – Perhaps there are many that are beginning to question force and blind obedience to those we have hired/voted in to work for our best interest, those people we hired haven’t been doing a very good job other than looking after their own best interests and living quite well off of the positions we put them in – it seems to have been long in coming, but perhaps it’s about time the majority really start questioning their motives. Perhaps we naively thought they actually cared to do our Country proud – Perhaps we were wrong more often than not.

        • eyeswideopen

          Liberty, you have every right not to get the vaccine, However other people have the right to get them.
          People on this site, do not think that the other side has the right to disagree with their ideology on every subject that is posted here. The rt wingers, don’t seem to understand that they aren’t the only Americans in this country.
          When anyone atempts to state a different view, they are ridiculed and dismissed as Liberals. Which to them is the worst thing you can call anyone. They seem to forget that this country is diverse and what has made us great is the ability to incorporate the diversity into our laws and acceptance of individual freedom, to not be a person who follows a single ideological line driven by one party.
          The only thing that will make these types of people happy is when everyone has one religion, one party and one leader. History shows us that this type of philosophy is what leads to a communist state.
          If you trust our Constitution, you should understand that our fore fathers protected us against this type of irrational thinking. The drumbeat of: taking our guns away, impeachment, not a citizen, trying to kill us with vaccines, fema camps, death panels, we want our country back,blind force, the President is a Nazi, tax and spend, all these mantras are using the fear factor to try and unite a fractured party.
          Part of the problem is that the Republicans were in power for so long, that these people have a fear of anything different. If you can get them to admit that some of the Bush policies were not good for this country, they feel as though they are being disloyal and it would require the admission that they voted incorrectly. For some reason they see mistakes as a something only a weak person admits. They cannot understand that the ability to admit and correct your errors will allow you to become stronger.
          For two months, I was courteous and just presented facts, and they tolerated me, when I changed and became more like them, name calling and nasty, they banded together like school yard bullies.
          They just can’t fathom the idea that a Republican can be so disenchanted by their own party, that they could critize it. What she dares to critize THE PARTY?
          My biggest fear is that one of the radical rt wingers will think that it is ok, as they are backed by people such as these on this site and will do the unthinkable. What a legacy the PARTY will have then. You do trust your Constitution don’t you?

          • Norm

            eyes
            Well said. Nice to hear from a thinking person.

  • Get it right.

    EYES, I have been reading this site for weeks, and I had noticed that you changed before my very eyes. You must feel beaten down, and I don’t understand why no one can admit that we need to take a look at what policies were passed, how our money was spent, did the admin break laws by advocating torture?, before we can make positive changes. To move forward we need to address the immediate past. A doctor will analyze why his patients died, he will look to the past to prevent making the same errors again. My daughter bet me that the average age of the men on this site would be 60 to 70, they would be white, and Republican (rt Wing + Conservatives) with a few Libertarians thrown in. She has a program she uses to scan information. From the ones who admitted their ages, or that they were on Medicare, she was right. She also found the few Libertarians, and when she set it up to key on words such as civil war, Kill him, dictator, she was able to identify the rt. wingers. Now here’s the good news, this site probably won’t produce an assassin, however these types of persons will be marching behind the one who pulls the trigger shouting encourgement. Eyes she told me that your giving them facts doesn’t matter, they are totally closed down. Although I enjoy the info you provide as I don’t have to do the work to look up the facts. I am sure you will tire of this, and these people only banter back and forth to get each other excited, they don’t offer any constructive answers for any of the issues. So thank you, you are the hope of the nation, as you did have your eyes opened. It is too bad that the Republican Party has lost a fighter like you who believed in every ones rights, not just a few. God Bless you and remember Blessed are the Peace Keepers!!

  • VOLUSIA SHIRL

    I have read quite a few comments here-on various subjects-all very interesting. I only wanted to give a few comments about the H1N1 flu. At the moment I am only planning to get the regular flu shot which I get every year with no problems. I beleive each person should consider their own situation and family healthwise, and be free to make their choice. I have received a few more tips from an email, recommended by a Dr. of long-term study of these flus, etc. All we hear on the news is wash your hands. I already do this in my daily routine. They don’t give us any more info, except, don’t get sneezed or coughed on when out among people. So, whether you run into this or not, it takes a few days for the virus to activate in your nose or mouth. So, why not every day, gargle twice a day with warm salt water or Listerine,which should help destroy the virus, and take a Q-tip dipped in warm salt water and swab your nostrils. Also, drink warm liquids, which should send anything lingering in your mouth to your stomach, where they can,t survive. Take a lot of Vitamin C along with zinc, and eat fruits and veggies. And, of course, don’t touch your nose or mouth. These are the only 2 entrance points for the virus. You all be healthy AND OPTIMISTIC,and respect each other’s views-keep in mind that stress can cause disease also. GOD bless.

    • eyeswideopen

      Volusia, thank you so much for the tips, I will use them. Bless you too!!

  • American Citizen

    We have just lost the 79 young person to the flu.

  • Kenny

    I agree, majority rules is a stupid concept. It should be minority rules. After all the few that watch Fix News, and read things like NewMax are certainly more informored and should be making all decissions.

    • eyeswideopen

      LMAO, sure the smallest number of uneducated and radical thinking should be determining the fate of us all!!! I am laughing so hard, I am tearing up. Tx, really needed that!! LOL

    • American Citizen

      The viewership of fox and Newsmax is increasing daily. Fox has more viewers than all the MSM put together. Yes, they are more informed about issues we’d know nothing about otherwise.

  • http://www.thelostnation.blogspot.com Jeryl Deniol

    I’m actually one who tries not to find a conspiracy behind every tree. However, it seems we are not finding one at least behind every other tree. I have no trouble at all believing this is an artificially created disease. The global federalists will stop at nothing to gain ultimate power. What’s a few hundred thousand deaths, anyway? Most of them believe there are too many humans alive right now anyway.

    • Norm

      Jeryl Deniol
      Please tell me your kidding.

  • Becky

    DaveH,
    I’m glad I finally found someone that agrees with me. We must fight for the right to choose what we put into our bodies and also what comes out of our bodies. If we loose our freedom of choice then what do we have left? That is why I’m so happy to find that you have the same thoughts as I do and we must fight for woment to have the right to an abortion if that is their choice. So many people seem to want to take away our freedom to make choices for ourselves. They want to tell us what we can and can’t do with our own bodies. It’s my body if I want an abortion then that is my right of choice as an American Citizen.
    DaveH you are a wonderful person for fighting this fight with me.
    THANK YOU!

    • Norm

      Becky
      The problem with abortion is that it’s not your body your talking about.
      With birth control it is your body. Your eggs are yours and you can do as you please with them. Even the pope, by abstaining from sex, engages in birth control.
      Once your egg unites with someone’s sperm, an entirely new being is created. Doesn’t he or she have the same rights as any American citizen, including you?
      Abortion is convenient and legal in virtually every civilized country. That doesn’t make it right, at least by our present moral and religious codes.

    • American Citizen

      Abortion is being used mainly as birth control which is wrong. Once a woman finds she is pregnant, there is another human being involved. It may not net look like a human being/baby, but it is a developing human. There is no such thing as being a little bit pregnant. We all know what pregnancy means, new life. As our pastor tells us, the choice should be made before you go to bed.

  • Norm

    Posted October 9, 2009, 11:00 AM ET

    Thirty-seven states are reporting widespread influenza activity at this time. They are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington, and Wyoming. Any reports of widespread influenza activity in September and October are very unusual.
    Almost all of the influenza viruses identified so far are 2009 H1N1 influenza A viruses. These viruses remain similar to the virus chosen for the 2009 H1N1 vaccine, and remain susceptible to the antiviral drugs oseltamivir and zanamivir with rare exception.

    U.S. Influenza and Pneumonia-Associated Hospitalizations
    and Deaths from August 30 – October 3, 2009

    Data reported to CDC by October 6, 2009, 12:00 AM ET
    Cases Defined by Hospitalizations Deaths
    Influenza and Pneumonia Syndrome* 12,384 1,544
    Influenza Laboratory-Tests** 3,874 240
    Reports can be based on syndromic, admission or discharge data, or a combination of data elements that could include laboratory-confirmed and influenza-like illness hospitalizations.

    **Laboratory confirmation includes any positive influenza test (rapid influenza tests, RT-PCR, DFA, IFA, or culture), whether or not typing was done.

  • Margaret Baker

    I am amazed that nothing has been mentioned about the Diseased African Monkey Kidnys that are used in the swine flu vaccine. Check out this link – I don’t think anyone would want to take the shot after reading this. I wonder why it is being kept “secret”.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/026779_swine_flu_patents_vaccines.html

  • Dar

    H1N1 is a variant of the epedemic 1918 Spanish flu.
    Spanish flu was so named because it broke out in Spain.
    H1N1 or swine flu is really Mexican flu usuing the same long standing definition or nomenclature.

  • Remnant Variable

    Yet another epic fail…….. Human kind spends more time/effort/money killing off one and other when we should be fighting to preserve our species.The possibilities are boundless, yet society is blinded by Big Brother and his trojan horses of Coca~Cola, Zoloft, and MTV Cribs.

    Yay! Good Job Corporate America! Your son thinks he’s a rockstar selling his crack to 12 year olds. He’s got AIDS but your 120k a year salary won’t allow you to save his life. No! Your too busy buying Viramune stocks, reaping the profits instead of telling your CEO buddies to release the cure.

  • Norm

    Synopsis:
    During week 41 (October 11-17, 2009), influenza activity increased in the U.S.

    4,855 (37.5%) specimens tested by U.S. World Health Organization (WHO) and National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System (NREVSS) collaborating laboratories and reported to CDC/Influenza Division were positive for influenza.
    All subtyped influenza A viruses being reported to CDC were 2009 influenza A (H1N1) viruses.
    The proportion of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was above the epidemic threshold.
    Eleven influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Nine of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and two were associated with an influenza A virus for which subtype is undetermined.
    The proportion of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness (ILI) was above the national baseline. All 10 regions reported ILI above region-specific baseline levels.
    Forty-six states reported geographically widespread influenza activity, Guam and three states reported regional influenza activity, one state, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico reported local influenza activity, and the U.S. Virgin Islands did not report.

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