The Great Divide And Chaos Governance

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Demonstrators protest possible US attack on Syria in Los Angeles

There is an ever-widening divide between the statist elected class and its enforcers (government) and the mundanes, or hoi polloi.

The general populace would prefer to go about its daily business without interaction with or interference from anyone in or representing government. That is because government on almost all levels is at best oppressive, intrusive, unsympathetic and autonomic.

There is now an awakening and growing recognition that the U.S. government is self-serving, unrepresentative and supererogatory and that it needs to be reined in. The divide and awakening are best demonstrated over the past couple of weeks in the reaction of the people to the possibility of Syrian intervention.

President Barack Obama and his neocon toadies have been desperate to make a case for military intervention in Syria in order to fulfill the will of their globalist masters. I explained why this is so last week.

However, the mundanes recognized the folly and hypocrisy of such an endeavor. The United States has been embroiled in Mideast wars against radical Islamists, jihadists and the CIA-created terror organization al-Qaida for decades.

The people bought into the notion sold by the elites that the wars were necessary to protect American freedoms and export democracy to regions that had known only oppressive theocracy or totalitarianism. They suffered the expenses of nation building under the false notion that the radicals and Islamists might come to either like the U.S. or at least stop hating the U.S. for its “freedoms.”

So when Obama and warmongers like Senator John McCain and his lackey Senator Lindsey Graham embraced al-Qaida-backed “rebels” in Syria — a group of violent and barbarous fanatics who are slaughtering Christians; raping, beheading and dismembering women and children: eating the hearts of vanquished foes; and executing surrendered captives — the slumbering masses looked up from their entertainment devices and began confronting the elected class en masse.

By more than four to one (and, according to some in Congress, 10 to one), the people came out against taking sides in the Syrian conflict and especially against aiding those committing the atrocities. The people recognized that the entire Syria narrative is a lie. They are coming to understand that the lie expands to Libya as well as the reasons given for deposing Moammar Gadhafi and the excuses provided to explain the attack on the Benghazi consulate and the murders of CIA agent Chris Stevens and three others attached to the gun-running operation that was transferring arms to the Syrian rebels.

It is attempts to keep this operation under wraps and out of sight that are behind the Benghazi cover-up and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s screed before Congress that the incident didn’t matter.

The mundanes are finally recognizing that decades of war have led to the expansion of the intrusive spying apparatus and the growth of the surveillance state. Revelations by Edward Snowden that the NSA is collecting and reading all telephone calls, emails, text messages and electronic data from every American served to give pause to even the most ardent supporters of the big government nanny state.

Of course, the divide first manifested itself in public in the fall of 2008 and early 2009 when the masses recognized the fix was in and that the banksters and Wall Street were getting special dispensation during the economic crash, while the people were getting shafted. This dispensation was made possible only by the Federal Reserve’s inflation of the money supply — a subtle means of theft from the people.

Talk of bailouts sparked the rise of the Tea Party, a disparate group of patriotic small-business owners, blue- and white-collar workers, military veterans, homemakers and retirees who opposed first the bailouts then the monstrosity of legislation that came to be known as Obamacare, then other oppressive and unConstitutional government actions.

In 2010, the Tea Party was successful in removing some of the old guard of the elected class and installing some of their own in government. Though some of the newly elected lawmakers turned out to be wolves in sheep’s clothing, many of the Tea Party-backed Congressional candidates continue to work to disrupt the old guard party apparatus and attempt to reign in big government, much to the chagrin of the statists.

The elected elites responded to the rise of the Tea Party with slander and special targeting by several government agencies like the Internal Revenue Service and the Environmental Protection Agency.

The people are now using the 10th Amendment and their State legislatures to roll back oppressive and unConstitutional Federal laws and to combat illegal “executive orders” issued by the undocumented alien currently occupying the people’s house. In Colorado, voters just dismissed two statist gun grabbers — an event unprecedented in Colorado history. Voters are also seeking to secede from that State, as well as from California and Maryland.

As Obamacare nears implementation and the mundanes finally begin to grasp what some of us have been warning about since before its inception, their opposition to it grows. However, the old guard of the elected class is resisting acting as the opposition party and working to defund it. In fact, the members of the elected class are effectively thumbing their noses at the mundanes by exempting themselves from its provisions, even as Obama has exempted many of his sugar daddies and favored constituent groups.

It is telling that even the union leaders who ardently supported the passage of Obamacare are now echoing the mundanes in calls for the law’s repeal. Yet statists and progressives in both parties continue ignoring the will of the people.

The U.S. government is currently experiencing a collapse of its moral, economic and legal foundations. The collapse was inevitable from the establishment of the Federal Reserve. The elites created fiat paper money. With it, they have polluted the planet and put the people at the mercy of a cannibalistic bloodlust of dog-eat-dog depravity.

Just think; America’s top 1 percent income earners took up 8 percent of total income in 1970. Today, this same 1 percent takes up 17.4 percent of overall income. No wonder they promote the stock market, with $175 billion in dividends being paid out by the top companies.

Economic depression brings on this kind of inequality. The United States has the highest income inequality in the world. Hey, where are the jobs the political psychopaths have been promising? They have disappeared into the black hole created by the U.S. fascist system, overregulation and Obamacare.

The constant chaos and crisis-mode governance are both symptoms and expediters of the collapse. As the collapse intensifies, the statists and progressives will intensify their oppression. The divide between the people and the elected class and their enforcers will continue to grow.

The collapse will be ugly, especially for those who — blinded by normalcy bias or just ignorance — aren’t prepared. Once we come through the fire, then, I believe, Constitutional governance and a sound money system can be restored.

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    FOLLOW THE MONEY
    Whistleblower, Former World Bank Attorney and senior counselor/analyst, Karen Hudes (20 years with the WB), Interviews with Greg Hunter where she discloses many interesting things by following the money. Notably that the IRS is being used to funnel money to the Vatican (Jesuits). She confirms Vatican’s Jesuits are in bed with “governments” (now owned by banks) WHO PROMOTE FAKE TERRORISM NEWS TO MANIPULATE YOU.

    @9:30 What’s really going on with Syria? According to the former World Bank Attorney and senior counselor/analyst Karen Hudes there is a Natural Gas, but you have to have a pipeline to get to the market. So Kirkuk, which has all this Natural Gas wants the direct pipeline thru Syria and then they are going to reach the European market. Well, WHO is supplying the European market with the Gas? The Russians. Saudi Arabia went to the Russians and said: “If you stop protecting Syria, than we’re going to sell you arms for cheap. And Russia said: NO. I want my market for the Natural Gas in Europe. So ALL this business about the dead babies and Siran Gas that is just all to keep us confuse. Everything is going on in the news is simply to keep us confused. We do not need to be confused. What we need to do is to turn around these crooks, with the crooks at the very top and we need to say: NO. We had enough. The presidents, who refused to go with the NWO agenda, were murdered: JFK and Lincoln … People do not know that IRS revenue is going to Vatican. They do not know that municipalities are pre-funding their pensions for billions of dollars is unnecessary. We have to follow the money and figure out where they are going. We have to take our money back. It’s all. People stay in the darkness. They do not know the real story. People have to open their eye and mind and recognize the reality. There are 43,000 corporations. They own the media and they pay for the LIES and DECEPTIONS and people are accepting their crap.

    Watch her interview with Greg Hunter at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJybfADko_g

    Karen Hudes was arrested by eric holder at the World Bank for Whistleblowing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9h2mlRSLHg

    PASS IT ON.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      NOW CONNECT THE DOTS

      At the Congressional hearing Johnny Al-kerry said:
      KERRY: With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and assist, the answer is profoundly yes, they have. That offer
      is on the table.
      With respect to boots on the ground, profoundly
      no. There will be no boots on the ground. The president has said that again and again. And there is nothing in this authorization that should contemplate it. And we reiterate, no boots on the ground.

      KERRY: Well, we don’t know what action we are engaged in right now, but they have been quite significant. I mean, very significant. In fact, some of them have said that if the U.S. is prepared to go do the whole thing, the way we’ve done it previously in other places, THEY’LL CARRY THAT COST. That’s how dedicated they are to this. Obviously, that is not in the cards and nobody is talking about it, but they are talking about taking seriously getting this job done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_LNjpSDQsg

      In the first paragraph he says that “There will be no boots on the ground … we reiterate, no boots on the ground.” And 30 seconds later he says “we don’t know what action we are engaged in right now, but they have been quite significant. I mean, very significant.”

      It calls “The Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome” – NO ONE believes, but everyone believes that everyone else believes.

      Putin rejected Saudi Arabia’s proposal to abandon Syrian President Bashar Assad, according to Arab and European diplomats.

      The proposal of $15 billion in weapons contracts was allegedly made during the July 31 meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and influential intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Reuters reported.

      Neither Moscow nor Riyadh has officially commented on the agenda of the talks.

      The Prince reportedly stated that if the deal was accepted, Saudi Arabia would not sign any contracts damaging Russian interests by allowing Gulf countries to transport its gas across Syria to Europe.

      The terms included Moscow dropping its support of President Bashar Assad, as well as not opposing any future Security Council resolutions on Syria.

      “President Putin listened politely to his interlocutor and let him know that his country would not change its strategy,” a separate Arab diplomat told AFP.

      Bandar bin Sultan then told Russian officials that the only option left in Syria is a military one — and that they should forget about the Geneva-2 international peace conference because the opposition would not attend, the source said. Efforts to bring about the conference — which has been put forth by the US and Moscow — have so far been fruitless, mainly because of the absence of unity within the opposition ranks.
      http://rt.com/news/saudi-russia-arms-putin-239/

      Now the question is: WHO needs this war and WHO pushes for it?

      • KG

        Sorry, but if the Russians make good on their offer, there will be no war. Thank G-d!

        • WTS/JAY

          I seriously doubt that, KG.

    • S.C.Murf

      Yes Alondra the jesuit’s are the vatican’s cia and have been for ever. They are responsible for shutting people up about the fact that the roman catholic church is actually the old baal religion, worshipers of the sun god nimrod that’s why the obelisk in the center of st peters square, that’s why the halo around the heads of all their statues, it’s actually the sun. About 40 years ago their were a large group of people that were working hard to get this message out but were silenced by the jesuit’s. The richest organization in the world doesn’t want their dirty laundry washed in public. I notice also that ole bobbie 666 hasn’t been honoring us with all of his satanic leaders from the past 200 years or so. Maybe they told him to stop? You have a good day girl and keep up the work of Jesus of Nazareth the Christ

      up the hill
      airborne

  • Harold Olsen

    If the people are truly finally waking up, then maybe in 2014 we can get rid of many of the Democrats in both houses of Congress. The trouble is, I’m not so sure the Republicans, including the TEA Party Republicans, will be much better. They all make all sorts of promises, but once in office and they get the power, they forget about the people who elected them and become self-serving.

    • R.Fowler

      if any new representatives become self serving the we must
      ‘kick their worthless a**es to the curb” through recalls and replacement as reps. Until we, the voters, start doing that nothing much will change…

  • justJames

    Look back at the Cyprus bank debacle and realize that was an attempt to control Russian foreign investments and seize their assets. IT DIDN’T WORK!
    The FEDERAL RESERVE and the European Central Bank is at the core of every failed attempt in the Middle East. WAKE UP and smell the blood of the innocent being spilled to fill the bankster’s pockets.

  • mark

    Warmonger Obama? He backed down. He decided not to intervene when it was clear how unpopular such an action would be. Plus his heart was never in it in the first place as was obvious by his delays and obfuscating. If anything, events of the last 2 weeks prove the system works. Libertarians, conservatives and even liberals like myself criticized Obama when it appeared he might bomb Syria. When he decided not to, libertarians and conservatives, (not me on this one) continue to condemn him. They are outraged now that he didn’t intervene? They are outraged that he opted for diplomacy instead? He broke with McCain, Graham, and the neocons on this one. They now despise him as a coward for negotiating. And I see here that conservatives now hate Obama just as well – for doing what they advised him to do – refrain from launching tomahawk missiles. You can’t have it both ways but evidently those on the right think they can. Obama would have been a monster and a tyrant for intervening. Now he is a monster and a tyrant for not intervening. With such logic, now wonder libertarians and conservatives can’t win elections.

    • Johnny Geetar

      I can’t believe there’s anyone out there still defending Obie and his administration. Syria is but ONE chip in the game, and I assure you, our list of grievances against obama and leftists go WAY beyond AND BEFORE, Syria. I’m not gonna bore the faithful writing a tome here of said grievances but rest assured; your boy is a complete toilet bug. The difference between you and us? WE recognized it very early on and have been HAMMERING him for it from the very beginning. What you saw on Syria is but a GLIMPSE of what we’ve been seeing. And now that Obie has temporarily backed off from Syria, lefties are gonna regroup and get back RIGHT BEHIND this meat sock, and go back to sleep with the low-info business model.
      If you think that Syria was the only infraction Obie has committed against the American people, then I suggest you change the battery in your propeller hat and start seriously researching his crimes. And these crimes are not merely infractions committed against us conservative racist crackers mind you, they were committed against YOU TOO! You and your ilk simply accept them and accmomodate them. We however, will not……

      • mark

        Johnny Geetar,

        You write: “And these crimes are not merely infractions committed against us conservative racist crackers mind you…” Well, at least you have correctly identified yourself. Welcome to this site, you will absolutely love it here. And I don’t merely accept and accommodate most of what Obama has done, I support it and have worked to see that it was accomplished. Obama’s two comfortable election wins confirm that I am not alone and that his opponents can do just about everything against him except for two things – defeat him and defeat his program with alternative policies of their own.

        • Gib74

          Yeah, people voting eighty times or more for him is the liberal definition of Democracy, eh?

          • TIME

            Dear Gib,
            And if that 80 votes don’t work, they can just go for the 200% factor, that works every time.
            Sadly the vast amount of ignorant fools who vote many times also have many different names on blog sights. These special class of leaches are called – TROLLS.
            Please note, the person to whom you replied is an example of such.
            To find a TROLL all one need do is ask a perplexing question based on logic, or the facts on record.
            Volia, ~ one will pop up like a wind up toy.
            Peace and Love.

          • mark

            Right, when you guys lose, it’s voter fraud. When you win as in Colorado with the guns rights recall election, it is the voice of the people in action. How convenient. Was there any voter fraud in Colorado? No, couldn’t be, impossible, you guys won. If you had lost, yeah then it was definitely voter fraud, absolutely.

          • jaybird

            In the Obama election one women on TV admitted that she voted more than 1 time, in some towns more people voted than there were people living there. Where have you been, are you one of the low information voters that don’t know what is going or don’t care as long as your party gets their way. I have read that in CO.some places had problems with voter fraud but it was caught before it happened. Right now that is the least of our problems. The bills that this adm. tries to get approved have pork and items that don’t even have anything to do with that bill, things are hidden and you really have to dig to find out what else is in the bill that can hurt our country. You can’t be a dyed in the wool Dem. or Repub. anymore you have to vote for what is best for our country which right now is going down the tubes.

          • mark

            This is all just anecdotal evidence. You can always find a few people who will say anything when they are on camera just to get attention. Look at what people write on this blog just to get a little attention.

          • WTS/JAY

            Like your posts, mark?

          • Cashu

            There was likely quite a bit of voter fraud, but thankfully, enough REAL people voted to just barely overcome it.

            When the left turns out for ANY election, voter fraud appears to ALWAYS be rampant, with the vicious bastards doing whatever they can to steal it. The worst part of that is the fact they are so proud of it.

            Cashu

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          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Be sure that next time “enough REAL people” will vote for Karl Marx. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0azojPPRhw

            And the same “REAL people” will vote to Repeal the BILL OF RIGHTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCjSnJB3X-s

          • Cashu

            LOL!! Yes, I’ve seen a few of these. Isn’t it amazing, the level of stupidity of the man on the street? And when Leno does one of his “Man on the Street” segments, I sit there mesmerized and disgusted to think morons like that breed and vote in America.

            When I said “REAL,” I meant verified, legitimate voters as opposed to phantom voters and illegal voters.

            A few years ago, I watched a fifteen minute youtube where Obama supporters were quizzed about the reasons they voted for him in terms that would measure their grasp of cogent political ideologies and details. I’d hate to be near enough to 99% of them to breath the same air for fear that extreme stupidity is possibly contagious. I really think there should be a basic literacy and comprehension requirement for the privilege of voting. We need to weed out the knuckle-draggers…

            Cashu

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          • Gib74

            Nooo, when people vote many, many times it’s voter fraud.

            When people have felons cast votes from prison it’s voter fraud.

            When people just ‘discover’ boxes of uncounted absentee ballots in a democrats trunk it’s voter fraud.

            What must really soook for you folks is the fact you outspent the Conservatives 8 to 1 with all the out of State money pouring in for your members or the fact that over four THOUSAND more democrats voted in the race than Republican and you STILL lost.

            Guess a lot of the democrats are starting to wake up, huh? = ]

          • smilee

            That is a new one doubt it came from the liberals though

        • Scott Figgins

          No you’re not alone ,It was fools like you and other Libtards that committed voter fraud to get him reelected !When 120% of voters turn out in parts of Florida you know somethings not right !Even the dead helped get him reelected ,go figure !

          • mark

            You want to talk about voter fraud in Florida? How about the 2000 presidential election that put mass invader and global economy wrecker George W. Bush in the Oval Office. Now that was voter fraud! I have to hand it to the Republicans when they do it, they make the Democrats looks like amateurs. Plus they had the Conservative Supreme Court lined up to give George the election even though he received over half a million less votes nationwide than did Gore.

          • Vigilant

            Delusion, thy name is mark.

            The SCOTUS put an end to the machinations of a train of ambulance-chasing democrat lawyers who subscribed to the philosophy of count and recount until you get the desired result.

            You got a problem with the Electoral College, work to change the Constitution. Otherwise, shut your pie hole.

            BTW, don’t forget the cemeteries of Chicago that elected JFK, and the incarcerated prisoners who elected Al Franken.

          • mark

            Oh right, and there were no Republican lawyers down there fighting for George W? No Jim Baker leading a giant team of the most expensive corporate counselers in the America? Yeah sure, Vigilant. And no Germans took part in the 1939 Invasion of Poland either. JFK by the way won by 84 electoral votes over Nixon. He could have lost all of Illinois’ 27 electoral votes to Nixon and still won easily. Daley giving JFK the presidency through voter fraud in Chicago is an thoroughly invalidated urban myth. The math just doesn’t add up not to mention the rural and suburban overcounting by various Republican political machines in rural Illinois. Like those guys never cheated? Open a history book once in a while or just check Wikipedia. Kennedy never needed Illinois. If he lost it, he still would have won 276-246.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We do have the means right now to lock down elections and make them totally transparent to the voters. But the Leaders would have to want that first. Or the voters need to push hard for it.

          • Gib74

            America, raise that purple finger proudly!

          • Scott Figgins

            You’re not only drinking the koolaid I thinking you’re smoking it too !Look at the economy throughout every other president in history and then look at the economy now ,I’m thinking Obama’s 20 Trillion dollar debt has got them all beat !

          • smilee

            You will believe any BS, this has no facts to support it

          • Scott Figgins

            Here’s a fact for you ,you can pucker up a kiss my @ss ,you libtards want nothing to do with facts ,all you ever do is spin everything the libtard way !So when you’re finished kissing Obama’s @ss I’ll be here waiting!

          • smilee

            Fact, what fact??, you have not given one fact and I doubt you even have one all you got is a foul mouth and a small brain that is incapable of knowing what a fact really is.

          • Scott Figgins

            Oh smilee relax ,one day you’ll have to admit that your Democratic leader has been the worst president in American history .You want a fact ,Obama renounced his citizenship years ago when he refused to sign his selective service papers ,he might be a natural born citizen but he’s not eligible to be President and thats a fact!It’s a pretty sad day in American history when even the Russian President Vladimir Putin is a better leader and more popular amongst American people than Obama!

          • smilee

            None of what you say is true and all of it has been proven false so that makes a liar out of you too. Real facts which you deny makes you a spreader of lies..

          • Scott Figgins

            Show me where it’s been proven a lie !I would love to see that evidence !No other president in history has tried so hard to hide his past!

          • smilee

            The evidence is overwhelming and all around you and if you have ignored it there is nothing anyone can do to enlighten you. If you only listen to the far right propaganda then you will believe this BS and it is their false take on it you spout.

          • Scott Figgins

            Apply that same comment to yourself ,the evidence is all around you!We have the NSA listening to every call ,monitoring our emails and our country is turning into a police state ,Our government is way too big ,our debt is too high (at the rate their spending my great grandchildren will still be paying on it ,and I don’t even have grandchildren yet!)You have your beliefs and I have mine ,unfortunately there is no way to prove each other wrong !So with this last comment I wish you good luck ,We will see in the future who was right !

          • smilee

            This was about Obama and he caused none of what you mention, he inherited it so why go off on a tangent that is irrelevant to the subject. There is overwhelming evidence that Obama is who he says he is, it has nothing to do with our beliefs but the facts that support who he is and you have no evidence to refute that as it does not exist.

          • Scott Figgins

            Blame it on Bush lol Why do you insist on carrying on the ranting ,I ending this stupid conversation nicely this morning and I return from work and you’re still making your comments !You can believe whatever you want to believe but you will never pull the sheeps wool over my eyes ,I am not a dumb uninformed voter that is blind to everything going on in this country ! So enjoy your liberal kool aid and have a nice life !Btw not one thing I said has been proven false and if it were so easily proved false then why has Obama had all of his records sealed ?Don’t answer that just move on!

          • smilee

            You do not need the wool pulled over your eyes as your so blind without them. No records were sealed and that is what I mean about you being blind or you would have seen they were not.. You really are not to intelligent.

          • Scott Figgins

            Oh really ! The only dumb@ss here is you !I’ve tried to end this nicely but you persist in keeping it going .You know nothing about me other than the fact that our political opinions differ but then again that’s how you Libtards roll .When you can’t present any facts or win a debate you start name calling and attacking character ,so i’ll end this the way it started.YOU CAN PUCKER UP AND KISS MY @SS!

          • Scott Figgins

            I bet you even believe that Obamacare is great for the country and it is as it says “the Affordable care act” lol let me know how affordable it is when you start paying for it ! keep drinking that kool aid!

          • smilee

            It does not matter what I believe or what you believe, it is now the law and it is time to put the myths aside. Read this. This is just the summary of their research and sources. Read he whole article on their website for the whole truth. Also try reading the law itself.

            Obamacare Myths

            Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling — and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

            September 16, 2013

            Summary

            We’ve been batting down bogus claims about the Affordable Care Act for years, since 2009, when legislation was still in the debate stage. But they’ve been increasing in intensity in recent months as we approach Oct. 1, the date the insurance exchanges will be open for business for those buying their own
            insurance, mainly with the help of federal subsidies.

            So, more than three years after our last health-care-whoppers piece (published just before the law was signed in 2010), we’re giving readers a rundown of the top claims.

            Some have been around for years, and others are relatively new. Most touch on three topics: jobs, premium costs and medical care. For instance:

            Republicans have made the overblown claim that the law is a job-killer, but experts predict a small impact on mainly low-wage jobs. The Republican National
            Committee says 8.2 million part-timers can’t find full-time work “partly” due to the law. That’s the total number of part-time workers who want full-time jobs, and there’s no evidence from official jobs figures that
            the law has had an impact.

            Proponents
            say premiums will go down, while opponents say they’ll go up. In general, employer plans won’t be affected much, and a price change for individuals
            seeking their own insurance will vary from person to person. Obama claimed that all of the uninsured would see lower premiums than what they could
            get now (before accounting for federal subsidies), but that’s not the case

            Critics continue to make scary claims about the government coming between you and your doctor, but the law doesn’t set up a government-run system. If anything, the law comes between you and your insurance company, forbidding them from
            capping your coverage or charging you more based on health status.Meanwhile, Obama can’t promise you can keep your plan. Employers are free to switch coverage, just as they were before.

            And there’s more. Since 2010, we’ve been debunking the persistent claim that members of Congress are somehow exempt from the law. They’re not. The
            administration’s recent decision to give exchanges leeway in how they verify suspect applications for subsidies sparked the false claim that Americans can
            list what they’d like for their incomes and won’t face verification.

            Beyond these more reasonable topics, we’ve seen our share of far-fetched viral messages about microchips being implanted in patients and forced home inspections by the government. Rest assured. Neither is true.

            Note:
            This is a summary only. The full article with analysis, images and citations may be viewed on our website

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You are funny.
            Libtards aren’t supplied with the FACTS.
            ONLY with the talking points, labels and mantras.
            Well, sometime with the distorted and twisted “facts”, which are a pure LIE.

        • dontdoitagain

          We don’t want alternative programs. We want the lunacy stopped. What exactly have you personally “worked to see that it was accomplished”? What wonderful things did you want to see happen to our wonderful country? Obama is a charlatan, intent on destroying our country. Why don’t you name some of the miraculous ideas this person has had?

        • Sarah417

          I just love the way Dems like to say Obama’s two comfortable elections. Or, some say Obama won by a landslide. Admittedly, he won the first. We all were duped, but the second, no way. Obama just barely eked out the second term and only due to voter fraud.

          • mark

            He won 51.2% to 47.2% in the popular vote 65.9 million votes to 60.9 million by Romney – and by a landslide of 332 to 206 in the electoral college. I would call that a comfortable win – and not just eking by.

          • WTS/JAY

            That will be his only legacy, mark; winning 2 elections, and that’s it!

        • WTS/JAY

          Yeah, obama is very good at winning elections, but that’s all that he seems good at, i’m afraid. Creating jobs? Not so much. Oh, almost forgot, he’s also very good at keeping the 1% extremely wealthy. Btw, when obama cried out “hope and change”, he was speaking to the 1%!

      • Frank629

        Excellent post John I hope Mark learns something from it but I doubt it. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

      • KG

        Has the FOX logo burned into you TV? How about that tickertape on the bottom of the screen that’s been there since 9/11? I know it’s hard to watch cartoons on a screen like that. Check out the local Goodwill. There may be a decent TV for kinda cheap. And you can get some new upholstered couches for the front porch on the double-wide.

        • Vigilant

          “And you can get some new upholstered couches for the front porch on the double-wide.”

          Confirmation one more time that the left despises stereotyping until they do it.

          • KG

            LOL! AFK! BRB!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Ron Paul on the Syrian Chemical attacks:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58wRrd3aeI

    • Gib74

      Nope, I never wonder why Libertarians and Conservatives can’t win elections.

      Voter Fraud!

      Look at how lovely Colorado worked out when it was removed. = ]

    • Don 2

      “Outraged that he didn’t intervene?” – Surely you jest!

      “Obama a monster and a tyrant.” – You got that part right!

    • jimmie smith

      Then Mr. Obama should have never drew a red line in the first place. It (the red line) was all about looking powerful in the eyes of this country and the world. Talk about narcissism at it’s best. Mr. Obama is just a petty little man whose index finger is always in the wind, and in no possession of leadership abilities. A social media driven president and nothing more…

    • R.Fowler

      good spin there,pal. Trying to gloss over his incompetence with half truths…You can bet your last welfare doller that there will be impeachment hearins in the coming 18 months. Will you blubber on national TV like they did in Colorado when the 2 liberals got kicked to the curb…or blame it on Bush like others did…Hang your head in shame you blind, mindless fool and READ THE TRUE HISTORY OF BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ESPECIALLY PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT AROUND THE WORD AND ITS EFFECT ON THE HOST COUNTIES

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      mark says — “Warmonger Obama? He backed down. He decided not to intervene when it was clear how unpopular such an action would be”.
      Sure, he “backed down” when a super-majority of the people showed to be against the war. That’s like saying a murderer isn’t a murderer because he stopped short of killing his victims who out-gunned him.

      Here’s your peaceful Obama at work:
      http://www.alternet.org/world/its-time-put-stop-us-drone-attacks-against-kids
      http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2012/aug/02/drone-attacks-pakistan-map

    • JeffH

      President Obama needs your help starting World War III! Find out how you can help!
      http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/09/12/help-kickstart-world-war-iii-satire/
      Can we at least give Obama credit where credit is due…the “Cold War” is alive and prospering…no thanks to Obama, his big mouth and his policies.

  • n0m0bama

    What you call the “elected class” I call the parasitical elite ruling establishment; and there is so little difference between the two party’s now.

    • KG

      Tell me, is there a Republican way to build a bridge? Is there a Democrat way to build a bridge? The answer to that question will destroy your false assumption that there are no difference between the two major parties in America. In fact, the two party system is so polarized that the differences are more plain now than ever.

      Go read a basic textbook on Political Science and learn form something other than FOX.

      • Don 2

        “learn from something other than FOX.” – Good point KG, ‘The Blaze’ network is even better!

        • KG

          Now that’s a network worthy for any good red neck gubment hater on welfare!

          • Don 2

            You mean, as opposed to Obama worshippers in the inner city, on welfare, food stamps, and subsidized housing.

            One thing is for sure KG. If you and the rest of your goony squad hate it, it’s worth watching.

          • Vis Fac

            I know a lot of “rednecks” you apparently have a problem defining what a redneck is and use the term as a pejorative. “Rednecks” are hard working people who actually work while people like you sponge off the system.
            I would be fine being labeled as a redneck as opposed to a moron like you!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • Gib74

          Gotta love breitbart.com. Too bad 0bama had him killed a few days after he said they were going to actually VET the gimp for the net election with video from his college days.

          Kind of like his grandmother having the same sudden heart attack a few days after she said 0bama was born in Kenya, the had her body cremated immediately afterwards and dumped into the ocean against her wishes of being buried by her husband.

          Just like the clintons, death seems to follow those who know things they aren’t supposed to…

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The Libertarian way to build a bridge is to let the people, who think it is necessary, build it with their own money, and then if they can recoup their money from future voluntary users — more power to them.

      • n0m0bama

        “Political Science” is franken-science. It’s junk science.

        I build a bridge the conservative/libertarian way, not the republican way. I am against the establishment-republicans. They talk a good game but how about “walking it” by putting taxpayers above party? I support the TED CRUZ republicans instead. I, myself am not a republican.

      • Vis Fac

        Yes there is The republican way is to have private contractors do it for the lowest cost while keeping specs. The DUMBOCRITE way is to form several committees to provide a study then tax the public for the funds then have illegals’ build it out of spec while siphoning off the allotted funds as kickbacks.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

  • Leo_Rochester-MI

    Bob,
    Thank you again for your insightful and rightful ideas.
    Yes, some of us have awakened but so many are blinded by the veil of deception and lies learned for generations that they no longer know of what Freedom means for oneself and their families.
    It was sad to hear from so many around me, some highly educated and intelligent people, of why the USA had a “moral obligation” (whatever that means) to openly intervene in Syria and further support the al-qaeda terrorists.
    SAD that this magnificent dream of a Nation, the USA, crumbled so much in these miserable last 100 years.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Ask them where their “moral obligation” is to stop Obama’s immoral Drone Attacks?

    • FreedomFighter

      “The collapse will be ugly, especially for those who — blinded by normalcy bias or just ignorance — aren’t prepared.”
      The normalcy bias is a killer…Get a little extra for those you know will be a knockin on your door…and ammo for the ones that don’t knock.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

  • KG

    WOW Bill…or Bob, you have been reading Marx again?

    quote:There is an ever-widening divide between the statist elected class and its enforcers (government) and the mundanes, or hoi polloi.

    Marx circa 1840: Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

    hoi polli – greek for proletariat

    However, I’m not so sure about your nemesis, namely a Government ‘..of, by, and for..’ the People as the enemy. Since many of the thing yous guys complain about the most have done the most good for the most amount of people. Let’s take the EPA (BTW a program started by a ‘conservative’ president – Dick Nixon).
    At the time, many people who lived in industrial areas would find drainage canals burst into flames from time to time. Many major cities skylines were bare visible through the soot and smog that permeated their skies.Now cities like Los Angeles and Houston are much more cleaner than they were 40 years ago. In many canals of Industrial areas, there are fish and wildlife that were never seen 40 years ago.

    Does the EPA affect the economy in a bad way? People like yourself would say yes, but the truth is, it has help our economy in many different ways than merely economical.

    Mr Bob, your petty complaints about “government” are only excuses for your own desire to dominate and dictate what you feel is ‘right’. That’s why Libertarians are basically little Mussolinis. The American people appreciates what THEIR government does for them. Unlike selfish people like your self.

    • Sarah417

      KG. America has been going down hill for some time now. Do we agree on that? There has not been a Republican vs. Democrat government in the last 50 yrs. It has been NWO Globalists/Marxist. I wouldn’t mind their governing if they were doing a better job of it. But, they have made a tremendous mess of it all as they always do and that is why it has always failed.

      About government regulations: In the beginning they were necessary and improved conditions but just like the Unions they eventually got too big and destructive. We no longer need either.

      • KG

        Ok then. Let’s start by deregulating beauty products. You wouldn’t mind a little Mercury or Dioxin in your facial creme, eh?

        I guess you wouldn’t mind working on a ladder that’s missing a few rungs, eh?

        We need Unions as well as Government Regulation more now than ever.

        • Don 2

          Yeah KG, I prefer to get my mercury in the form of my more expensive government mandated light bulbs, don’t you?

          • KG

            Just don’t drop them. You could hire a qualified Union contractor to do it as well.

          • Don 2

            Actually, the EPA may require a Hazmat team under some circumstances.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Actually, contrary to what KGB would like you to believe, Big Government provides cover for Crony Capitalists who want to sell you things that you might not agree to buy if you were fully informed. Witness the situation with Monsanto’s GMOs:
          http://personalliberty.com/2013/08/05/gmos-hiding-in-plain-sight/

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Actually, contrary to what KGB would like you to believe, Big Government provides cover for Crony Capitalists who want to sell you things that you might not agree to buy if you were fully informed. Witness the situation with Monsanto’s GMOs:
          http://personalliberty.com/2013/08/05/gmos-hiding-in-plain-sight/

        • Vis Fac

          KGB I know your eyers are brown and your breath stinks in fact we ALL do. Time for you to crawl back into your cave or wherever it is you ferment. Unions are nothing but organized crime sapping the life out of the country Again I reference Detroit and all other municipalities held hostage by unions.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Gib74

          unions / mafia don’t do things for the people who work for them.

          The do things in order to demand chunks of their paychecks in legalized extortion rackets to pay their democrat politician backers to get MORE of a workers pay.

    • Vis Fac

      How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin. Ronald Reagan

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • Gib74

      America has not been of, by, or for the people for many years so far.

  • jim hesselrode

    The goal of Obama, Hillary and all followers of Sal Aleksey is to take from the have’s and give it to the have not’s. My questions is, once we have taken it from the have’s and given it to the have not’s, why would the have’s continue to produce and where would the have not’s get their hand outs after it is taken from the Have’s? It most cases, the have’s have worked for what they have and the have not’s have not applied themselves in learning a trade or improving themselves. I encounter so many today that are functionally illiterate and cannot communicate in a manner that is easily understood. Yet these people think they are too good for a job they qualify for and should be CEO’s.

    • Sarah417

      The problem with communism is that they eventually run out of other people’s money…

      • KG

        The problem with Capitalism is that it fails every few years.

        The Great Recession of 2007
        The Recession of 1980
        The Recession of 1973
        The Recession of 1958 – 1961
        The Recession of 1945
        The Great Depression of 1929 – 1942 including the Recession of 1937
        The Recession of 1918 – 1921
        The Recession of 1913
        The Panic of 1910
        The Panic of 1907
        The Panic of 1896
        The Panic of 1893
        The Long Depression of 1873 – 1885: Includes the Panic of 1873 and Recession of 1882
        The Panic of 1857
        The Panic of 1837 followed by the Depression of 1839
        The Recession of 1825 – 1826
        The Recessions of 1822 – 1823
        The Depression of 1815 – 1821
        The Depression of 1807
        The Recession of 1802
        The Panic of 1797

        • Sarah417

          Only because the Communists interfere.

          • KG

            LOL! AFK! BRB!

          • Vigilant

            Speaking in tongues again?

          • Vis Fac

            No KGB’s only way of responding due to liberally induced cranial necrosis.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Deerinwater

            So bankers are Communist?

            http://youtu.be/swkq2E8mswI

          • Sarah417

            Well, yeah. Heard of Goldman Sachs, Rothschilds, and masons and how about Bilderbergs, mostly all bankers. They do exist, you know.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They’re not Communists, but most (if not all modern) Bankers are operating on a bankrupt premise of Fractional Banking. Read this book to learn more about money and our fraudulent banking system:
            http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

            So in that sense — Taking advantage of other people — They are similar to the behavior of Communists.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Those people who would like to understand how the Central Government and certain Fraudulent banks have undermined our Freedom and our Prosperity, should read this Free book by Murray Rothbard, one of the greatest thinkers of our time:
          http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

          Don’t be ignorant like KGB wants you to be, Folks.

          • KG

            I wonder what the audience here would think of Mr Rothbards take on Abortion?

            But should the mother decide that she does not want the fetus there any longer, then the fetus becomes a parasitic “invader” of her person, and the mother has the perfect right to expel this invader from her domain. Abortion should be looked upon, not as “murder” of a living person, but as the expulsion of an unwanted invader from the mother’s body.[2] Any laws restricting or prohibiting abortion are therefore invasions of the rights of mothers.

            From the Ethics of Liberty, by Murray Rothbard

          • Average_Joe56

            Non Sequitur

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Those who would like to understand the full context of Murray’s statement can read this:
            http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/fourteen.asp

            So, KGB, are you implying that you are anti-abortion or pro-abortion? Please just answer the question with no dancing around.

            Also, KGB, the implication of your comment is that pro-abortionists can not be taken seriously on any other subject. Do you agree that pro-abortionists, in which category the majority of Liberal Progressives fall, can not be taken seriously in any other subject?

          • Vigilant

            What gives, KG? Are you being so thoroughly lambasted on the topic that you choose diversion to another?

            That’s called “desperation” in my book.

          • Vis Fac

            No it’s Called Masochism! Rather like the moron when asked why he keeps hitting his head with a hammer answering “It feels so good when I stop”!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            One might wonder how many in the Boiler Room does it take to research and come up with such things in an effort to disparage Libertarians? More evidence that KGB is a Shill.

          • Vis Fac

            People like you have the ethic of a virus and the morals of Satan. I hope you like hot weather KGB for your final residence has searing heat as its eternal forecast.
            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Not possible for KGB has an IQ two points lower and is twice as dense and four times as toxic as Pb and Hg combined.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • Deerinwater

        How about original thoughts and ideas ~ I think that everyone has heard that one by now. ~ Communism has much more problems than that.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Care to share, Deer?

      • Vis Fac

        The actual quote is: “Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money.”Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      Precisely why I decided to close shop I got tired of supporting those who refuse to be responsible and live off the taxpayer. As for the “functionally illiterate” you can assign blame to the NEA who are more concerned with their pensions than teaching and liberal one dimensional idiot-ology indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools who are more concerned with political correctness issues.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • http://batman-news.com Jim B

    Any government that empowers itself to spend 7 trillion dollars in less than 5 years, and run a yearly deficit of 1.8 Trillion is obviously out of control. Worse yet, everything got worse, unemployment UP, folks leaving the work force UP, Food Stamps UP, inflation UP (pretty soon you will need a mortgage payment to buy a car), health costs UP, government salaries and hidden investments UP, Wall Street and Bankster’s salaries UP, American worker salaries DOWN (to 1991 levels of spending ability). Obama’s administration is careening for the wall, or cliff… however you want to think about it.

    • KG

      So it’s Obama’s fault for 30 years of ‘conservative’ policy to cut taxes so our government can no longer function? It’s Obama’s fault for America corporations to move manufacturing to the lowest bidder? It’s our Presidents fault that extremely wealthy people in America are sitting on piles of cash and are unwilling or unable to actually spend it on some kind of investment that does more than shelter them from taxes?

      How can you fix the problems that are endemic to America? The problem-makers want to ‘fix it, but all they have done is enrich themselves at the American Peoples expense.

      • Average_Joe56

        “So it’s Obama’s fault for 30 years of ‘conservative’ policy to cut taxes so our government can no longer function? ”

        Who’s better at running Congress?

        Since it’s Congress that sets the spending Budgets, sets the Deficits, and passes legislation affecting jobs and the economy (The President cannot spend one penny that has not been authorized by Congress), let’s look at the record of Congresses over the last 30 years (Through 2010);

        JOBS (39,761,000 Net New Jobs)

        Jobs created when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = 8,100,000 net new jobs.

        Jobs created when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = 21,773,000 net new jobs.

        Jobs created when Congress was split (8 years) = 9,888,000 net new jobs.

        DEFICITS (a) ($7.304 Trillion)

        Total Deficits when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $5.022 Trillion.

        Total Deficits when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $1.219 Trillion.

        Total Deficits when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.063 Trillion.

        NATIONAL DEBT ($12.878 Trillion = 93.4% of all the Debt in our History)

        Total New Debt when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $7.859 Trillion.

        Total New Debt when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $3.238 Trillion.

        Total New Debt when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.781 Trillion.

        ECONOMIC GROWTH ($11.873 Trillion of GDP growth)

        Total Growth (GDP) when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $3.887 Trillion.

        Total Growth (GDP) when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $5.623 Trillion.

        Total Growth (GDP) when Congress was split (8 years) = $2.363 Trillion.

        Draw your own conclusions, but these are undisputed facts from government sources.

        (a) Deficits do not equal the increase in the Debt because of the government’s ‘funny accounting’.

        Sources – Democrats controlled Congress from 1987 – 1994, and from 2007 – 2010. Republicans controlled Congress from 1995 – 2000, and from 2003 – 2006. There was a split Congress from 1980 – 1986 and for 2001 & 2002. Links to government data sites are as follows;

        Jobs – http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat1.pdf

        Deficits – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals See Table 1.1

        National Debt – http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

        Facts are facts…and not subject to dispute.

        • KG

          These ‘facts’ are arranged in a fashion to make it seem that the problem with America prosperity is the fault of whatever congress is in session. However, for the REAL reason for Americas dwindling economic progress is revealed
          in this chart.

          http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/unionincome.jpg

          • smilee

            With numbers like that no honest person can blame it on unions. Unions are the conservstive whipping boys

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • smilee

            The how do you explain this chart?? Every intelligent person knows that making a living over the last 30 years has declined big time as has the power of unions at the same rate. To compensate for this congress passed many welfare programs designed for full time working people working at the now very low wages. This is indirect corporate welfare which I have never heard you complain about just the welfare the poor are eligible for. Your propaganda site ignores this fact also and when it is ignored it is skewed.

            http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/unionincome.jpg

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sleepee, don’t you know the difference between causal events and coincidental events?
            The middle class is shrinking because Big Government is wasting our natural and financial resources as they grow ever larger.
            Sleepee says — “This is indirect corporate welfare which I have never heard you complain about”.
            I have railed against any form of involuntary charity. You need to get some reading glasses, Sleepee.

          • smilee

            Its corporate greed and corporate control of government and that is why, government lobbied by corporate thieves get their way. Take your blinders off and see the real world!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you drinking again, Sleepee? I have railed against Crony Capitalism almost since the day I first commented on this board. The difference between me and you is that I’m smart enough to know that Big Government does not, and never will, provide the solution for that problem. The only way to rid ourselves of Crony Capitalists is to take away the Politicians tools which they use to favor their Cronies — regulations, quotas, subsidies, price controls, bailouts, tariffs, etc.
            In other words, shrink Government dramatically, and Free our Markets, so the only way a company can succeed is by pleasing its customers.

          • smilee

            The size of government is not the problem but what government does at any size is what does cause the problem and now that is the take over of government by corporate thieves whom have been robbing the taxpayers blind. The founding fathers never defined the size of government they only defined what it could do and not do in broad terms thus they covered big things that today included Obamacare where the court correctly found it constitutional based on original language and that is not small, the Louisiana Purchase was not small, distributing that land to mostly immigrants under the homestead acts was not small, free land to railroads was not small, We have never been a government that does small things and only small thinkers like your self thinks so. Here is an interesting take on Obamacare that defines you and all the spinners on here.

            Obamacare Myths

            Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling — and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

            September 16, 2013

            Summary

            We’ve been batting down bogus claims about the Affordable Care Act for years, since 2009, when legislation was still in the debate stage. But they’ve been increasing in intensity in recent months as we approach Oct. 1, the date the insurance exchanges will be open for business for those buying their own
            insurance, mainly with the help of federal subsidies.

            So, more than three years after our last health-care-whoppers piece (published just before the law was signed in 2010), we’re giving readers a rundown of the top claims.

            Somehave been around for years, and others are relatively new. Most touch on three topics: jobs, premium costs and medical care. For instance:

            Republicanshave made the overblown claim that the law is a job-killer, but experts predict a small impact on mainly low-wage jobs. The Republican National
            Committee says 8.2 million part-timers can’t find full-time work “partly” due to the law. That’s the total number of part-time workers who want full-time jobs, and there’s no evidence from official jobs figures that
            the law has had an impact.

            Proponents say premiums will go down, while opponents say they’ll go up. In general,employer plans won’t be affected much, and a price change for individuals seeking their own insurance will vary from person to person. Obama claimed that all of the uninsured would see lower premiums than what they could get now (before accounting for federal subsidies), but that’s not the case.

            Critics continue to make scary claims about the government coming between you and your doctor, but the law doesn’t set up a government-run system. If
            anything, the law comes between you and your insurance company, forbidding them from capping your coverage or charging you more based on health
            status. Meanwhile, Obama can’t promise you can keep your plan. Employers are free to switch coverage, just as they were before.

            And there’s more. Since 2010, we’ve been debunking the persistent claim that members of Congress are somehow exempt from the law. They’re not. The
            administration’s recent decision to give exchanges leeway in how they verify suspect applications for subsidies sparked the false claim that Americans can
            list what they’d like for their incomes and won’t face verification.

            Beyond these more reasonable topics, we’ve seen our share of far-fetched viral messages about microchips being implanted in patients and forced home inspections by the government. Rest assured. Neither is true.

            Note:
            This is a summary only. The full article with analysis, images and citations may be viewed on our website

          • Vis Fac

            UNIONS are the BANE of society I need only reference the NEA. If you need further proof reference Detroit or any city with organized crime (oops police and public employees unions)

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            You trying to tell me this chart is not true?? You only look at one side and that being business and their ability to stick the taxpayer with all the welfare for working people. Congress created these to compensate for the low wages that have been the result of weakened unions which you seem to strongly support. I doubt it bothers you to underpay your employees so they can qualify for taxpayer funded welfare as most employers do today.. That is all business men like you are interested in today and the good of your employees matters not at all to you.

            http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/unionincome.jpg

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Sleepee, we’re trying to tell you the comparison isn’t valid.

          • smilee

            The evidence is overwhelming that you are totally wrong!! Your in denial or very ignorant of the reality. Anyone with an 8th grade math knowledge can figure it .out.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re an ignoramus, Sleepee. A sixth grader could figure that out.
            The number of CRT televisions has decreased also since 1967. Does that mean that fewer Unionists caused that decrease?
            Your problem, Sleepee, is that you are a Liberal Progressive and thus have no logical ability.

          • smilee

            You comparing apples with oranges which only means you do not know the difference between the two which defines your ignorance. thus your ridiculous question

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You really should have stayed away from public school, Sleepee.

          • smilee

            What makes you think I went to public schools?? When you have no real response or answer you go off on a tangent because you have been stumped

          • Vis Fac

            I am and I did. I was a successful business owner and never stuck anything on anyone If you want to remain in business (unless you are a government entity) you never “stick it” to the people who feed you. If you have a problem with the wages you AGREED to then it’s time to move on. Since you didn’t have the moxie to form your own business and no one FORCED you to accept employment but you came on your own volition begging for a job.

            Again you ASSUME I was not good to my employees; au contraire, I paid wages in excess of 15% higher than the prevailing wage provided health and dental and if we turned a profit quarterly bonuses. My employees had voted not to have union representation as they knew the ramifications of such action.

            You should be aware that I have dealt with union and non union shops The non union shops out performed the union shops at least 5 to 1

            Bottom line you aren’t happy with your situation; this ia still America and you are free to explore other avenues!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Your also free in america to join a union, that is why you paid 15% more because you feared your employees voting union. The presence of the union is what drove up your wages as I cannot believe if you paid these wages from the goodness of your heart you would fear a union as you have already paid their type of wages. We talked about you and your dealings with a unions before and you never belonged to one or were your employees members of one so your involvement was second hand not personal. Unfortunately today most employers do not pay even prevailing wages and are still profitable so there are lots of bad employers out there whose employees would do well being in a union

          • Average_Joe56

            Oh my God!

            The country is going down the crapper…because Union membership is down?…Now that’s rich…stupid, but rich……

            If you can’t dispute the indisputable facts…simply put up a picture and blame Union membership decline as the culprit….that’ll convince us…NOT!.

            Difference Between Republicans and Democrats

            A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.

            The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican’s pocket and gave the homeless person fifty dollars.

            Now you understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats

          • KG

            A democrat is a republican who just got arrested. A Republican is a Democrat who just got robbed.

          • Average_Joe56

            So, arrangement of facts… somehow change those facts? Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?

            FACTS ARE FACTS…no matter how they are arranged……..

            “The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking.”
            A. A. Milne

          • Vigilant

            “These ‘facts’ are arranged in a fashion to make it seem that the problem with America prosperity is the fault of whatever congress is in session.”

            No. KG, they don’t “make it seem,” they CONFIRM the dangerous tendencies of the left and disprove its bankrupt claims that it is in any way helping America.

          • Bill

            KG,
            What do you know about creating prosperity when you come from a union mindset that “the longer it takes, the more we make”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            When I was a young adult, I worked in the only Union environment that I’ve ever had the displeasure to be associated with. I liked working hard, but the Unionists were all over me to slow down because I was making them look bad.
            At one time, my boss allowed me to run the skip-loader after I did my regular tasks and I really enjoyed that. But the Unionists caught wind and insisted that I should get paid skip-loader wages. I was young and stupid so I went with them to a meeting of management with their grievance. The company’s response was to stop me from driving the skip-loader. Good for them. I realized after that event, just how useless Unions were.

          • Bill

            Hi DaveH

            The phrase “the longer it takes, the more we make” is a true expression I heard over and over again. I was a working contractor on a military base job back in the eighties. Which means that I had to join the union to be able to put on my tool belt.

            Kg was a union electrician on government jobs which means he was feeding from the government trough and did not have to produce to be competitive because it was paid for by the taxpayers.

            I heard over and over again about the longer it takes, the more we make. It was kind of funny every time my union rep would find me, because he would start off with a long diatribe about the working man, bla,bla,bla, and I would say “how much money do you want today, Ray” , he would say “Hundred bucks”

          • KG

            Does that apply to wars too? Ask Haliburton that question.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What that chart shows is that the Bigger Government gets, the less money is there for the real producers who create the wealth and jobs.
            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1960_2013USb_13s1li011tcn_F1f

        • Vigilant

          Absolutely superb, compelling statistics, AJ! Two thumbs up.

          When are we we going to be treated to nc’s famous (and debunked) claim that “the stock market loves Democrats” canard?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Joe asks — “Who’s better at running Congress?”.
          None of the above.
          For Free Markets, Limited Government, Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE that comes naturally with those — Vote Libertarian!
          http://www.lp.org/

          • Average_Joe56

            LOL, agreed.
            However, of the two…one is clearly “better” (subjective) than the other at running the nation.
            ;)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I agree. But the Republicans were the first with the immoral act of aiding Crony Capitalists at the expense of their competitors, the consumers, and the taxpayers.
            Now, of course, both parties do it.

          • Bill

            Good comment, Dave

      • Sarah417

        The stinking problem makers, your words, don’t want to fix anything. They, NWO, want all the money in their pockets. Obama is a dumba$$ he isn’t causing anything. He’s just the figurehead for the NWO. They aren’t doing a very good job and America is going to get rid of them, Bushes NWO, Clintons NWO, McCain NWO, Graham NWO, McConnell NWO. Pick any name and they’re probably NWO. I also suspect that Rand Paul is now a NWO Globalists due to the fact that he endorsed Mitch McConnell and stated that He agreed on most of McConnell’s votes in congress usually on the side of Obama.

        • KG

          Please, take a dollar bill out of your purse and read the latin words surrounding the unfinished pyramid.

          Annuit cœptis – He has approved of the undertakings

          Novus ordo seclorum – New Order of the Ages

          America IS ‘the New world Order’. That means a government ruled by men instead of Kings through Divine Providence. It is the REJECTION of government guided by either religion or birthright. So when you say NWO, you ARE in the NWO!!!

          • Vis Fac

            You need to stop referring to the communist manifesto and seek counseling. A refresher course or basic instruction on our Constitution would be advised. Now here’s a little Latin for you to digest.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Quando podeces te regi eorum fecerunt?

          • Vis Fac

            Cum omnia scire putat placuit!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad
            necem.

            Dulce et decorum pro patria morte – as soon as you can!

      • Vigilant

        “So it’s Obama’s fault for 30 years of ‘conservative’ policy to cut taxes so our government can no longer function?”

        No. KG. it’s Obama’s fault that he CONTINUES to advocate for bloated government that SPENDS too much. It’s his fault that, instead of reversing the neocon Bush policy of bailouts and other wealth redistribution, he PUT THEM ON STEROIDS.

        It’s his fault that, instead of fostering and facilitating the formation of new businesses, he has STYMIED that formation with ever increasing onerous regulation (as an advocate of American labor, you should be as pissed off as the next guy about this, but you’re not).

        That’s right, piles of cash are indeed sitting on the sidelines, and those piles will be put into investment at the moment CONSERVATIVE and LIBERTARIAN policies are instituted to wipe out Obamacare, discontinue the special favors to political supporters and voting blocs, and get the government out of our way.

        • KG

          quote: That’s right, piles of cash are indeed sitting on the sidelines, and
          those piles will be put into investment at the moment CONSERVATIVE and
          LIBERTARIAN policies are instituted to wipe out Obamacare and get the
          government out of our way.

          Yous guys said the same thing before Bush was elected. It’s a lie and the sad part is you know it.

          • Vigilant

            What part of ” It’s his fault that, instead of reversing the neocon Bush policy of bailouts and other wealth redistribution, he PUT THEM ON STEROIDS” do you not understand?

            You won’t get any traction here with the Bush-bashing. True Conservatives and Libertarians know that Bush was a proponent of neither of those two admirable political philosophies.

          • KG

            But you voted for him anyway? So does that make you a fool or just stupid?

          • Vigilant

            Now you’ve stooped even lower by assuming things that are a misrepresentation of fact. I did not vote for Bush either time.

            So does that make you a fool or just stupid?

          • KG

            It’s funny, all of there so-called “conservatives” who deny supporting Bush when Bush was the ‘conservative’ candidate. I guess you knew not to fly on 9-11-2001 as well? And, of course, you pulled all of your money out of the stock market before the last crash, too?

            If you are so good, what are you doing here arguing with idiots like myself?

          • Vigilant

            Actually, I was supposed to fly out of Boston that very evening. Took five days before I could get out.

            But neither that nor your other comment about pulling money out of the stock market has anything to do with anything. I think you’re losing it. KG.

            BTW, KG, Bush never was a Conservative.

          • Vis Fac

            Facts to a liberal like you are those that are pulled out of thin air and or provided by lame stream media to swathe your/their ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates you/they make things up as you/they go so you/they can blame others for your/their failures and nothing is ever ODUMBO’s or the DUMBOCRITES fault.

            So whenever you/they have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate your/their positions you/they simply fall back on the Federal Board for Blaming Bush or citing lame stream media’s partial/fabricated truths and prevarications; then all you/their liberal inadequacies are soon considered ancient history becoming non issues and then quickly forgotten

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • S.C.Murf

        KG weren’t you just last week expounding the virtues of liberal principles for saving this great country of ours? And now you are telling us it was the conservative policy that has us in this quagmire. Please make up your mind or just make that POPPING sound. The air is a better quality out here.

        up the hill
        airborne

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Good for you, Murf, for pointing out KGB’s inconsistencies. Just further evidence that he is a Shill who is here primarily to disrupt others from learning concepts of Freedom.

      • Vis Fac

        It is ODUMBO’s s (and other one dimensional liberals’) policies of irresponsible spending that has ruined this nation, one only needs to look at Detroit to see the results of one liberal dimensional idiot-ology. This is what ODUMBO (and apparently you as well) wants for the nation. You are a prime example of liberally induced cerebral necrosis!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • Bill

      Good analogy, Jim

  • Deerinwater

    Well , ~I certainly enjoyed this write up. And of course there is a lot of truth in it.

    Then I read, ~ “Economic depression brings on this kind of inequality. The United States has the highest income inequality in the world. Hey, where are the jobs the political psychopaths have been promising? They have disappeared into the black hole created by the U.S. fascist system, overregulation and Obamacare.” ~ then I think that maybe I should read it again.

    Well? ~ A wealthy person is not required to spend. ~ It’s his money, he/she can do as they please. ~ They and their dollars will be found welcome almost any place in the world. ~ That they made a fortune in the US does not require them to spend it here.

    The labor earned dollar has been under attack ever since Reagan tweaked federal tax codes to favor the investment earned dollar that has enabled Wall Street to operate like a Casino. The thing is, what Reagan administration did was good for the times and served a “focused purpose” to get a stalled economy moving again.

    Where government has failed ~ is to continue to take the subscribed medication long after the illness has been cured. ~ 30 years of favoring the investment earned dollar over the labor earned dollar can not help but create a disparity. ~ For as now America find itself with 20% of it’s population dependent on a legislative medication that was prescribed 30 years ago ~ and resist any and all changes that directly or indirectly affect Status Quo.

    The Republic of Mexico affords us a good example of an unregulated Economy. ~ You can do just about anything that you want to do in Mexico. ~ Bite off whatever you think you can swallow. ~ I enjoyed Mexico very much. But it is a violate place, and it’s wise to be respectful of the darker side of civil government if you plan to stay long.

    This disdain for government is not lost on me, ~ I understand it ~ and agree with much of the concerns the Tea Party wishes to champion. Unfortunately ~ she’s a dog with just too many flee’s to let into the house. ~ What affect the Tea Party might have on government will have to be done from outside , we can’t let her in the house.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Deer says — “30 years of favoring the investment earned dollar over the labor earned dollar can not help but create a disparity”.
      People who don’t understand the value of Capital Investment need to read this:
      http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

      Deer says — “The Republic of Mexico affords us a good example of an unregulated Economy”.
      Don’t you love it when Liberal Progressives spout completely false conjecture? Here is the reality of Mexico (50th in the Economic Freedom ranking):
      http://www.heritage.org/index/country/mexico

      Those people, who would like to get educated and know what Deer doesn’t, can read this Free book:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • KG

        Telling us some more about the ‘merits of Fascism, eh?

        I think YOU don’t know squat about how the REAL world works. Ideas from a primarily 19th century economist do not really help that much. Unless you like Pinochet, or Franco, or Juan Perón, or the ultimate ‘libertarian’ hero Adolph Hitler?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KGB, do you ever tire of telling your lies? Pinochet, Franco, Juan Peron, and especially Adolph Hitler were not Libertarians. In fact, Hitler was a Socialist.
          http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=507

          Those people who would like to understand what Libertarianism is all about can read this Free book:
          http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

          • KG

            Hitler was a ‘socialist’ like Stalin was a ‘humanitarian’. The really sad part is the YOU KNOW THAT, but refuse to acknowledge it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What I know, KGB, is that you have no credibility on this board.

          • Vis Fac

            KGB likes to think he does that is why he does it. I am reminded of a little advise my father who was as conservative as conservative can be gave to me when I was quite young ” if you ignore a pest it will eventually tire and go away”

            Liberals have adopted a similar posture to problems they are really good at creating problems then when those problems get out of hand they ignore them than attempt to apply apply band aids as stop gap measures. KGB is merely a huge puss infected band aid!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Vigilant

            NAZI = “National Socialist German Workers’ Party.” You don’t need to be German to understand the meaning of “Nationalsozialismus.”

            It was, in fact, formed from the German Workers Party in 1919.

          • mark

            Yes and the North Korean communist dictatorship calls their blighted impoverished country ruined by their policies: The People’s Democratic Republic of Korea. It is neither a republic, democratic, nor connected in anyway whatsoever to the will of the people, but this is what the dictators call it, so it must be so, right Vigilant? Would Nazis ever lie when they named their party? Never according to Vigilant, he believes them absolutely.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I doubt you understand what makes a Republic superior to a Democracy, mark. But feel free to prove me wrong.

          • Vigilant

            You obviously have not read my comments below where I explain the very thing of which you speak. Doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s gauged on a scale of the degree of government control of the populace.

            In that respect, Hitler went even FARTHER to the left than the name “Nationalsozialismus” implies.

        • Vis Fac

          You are merely a broken record repeating Marxist diatribe while claiming to be progressive. The truth is you are stuck in a rut of your own making unable to differentiate fact from fallacy. You have been brainwashed in liberal one dimensional idiot-ology with emphasis on the idiot connotation to the point of believing your own lies.

          “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield
          the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels 10/29/1897 – 5/1/1945 Minister of Propaganda Nazi Germany

          KGB — You have bought into this crap hook, line, and sinker

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

      • Deerinwater

        Mexico is a venture capitalist dream ~ you only need a small standing army to protect your love ones and investments.

        I didn’t get my views from “Books” like David H, ~ but i lived it. ~ And it was truly wonderful ~ until a bigger army arrived that was willing to kill 50 people just to make a point. ~ I could kill more in an unruliness manner or take my marbles and leave. I chose the latter , as the US and A ain;t so bad. ~ and I tied of killing.

        This prevailing Libertarian climate that exist is Mexico today is where people like David’s and Bob Livingston ideas of freedom will more then likely lead the US if not offered opposition.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Libertarian climate in Mexico? You see, Deer, it’s statements like that which render your credibility null and void.

          • Deerinwater

            Right ~ so how many years have you lived and worked in Mexicio David?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            None, Deer. How many years have you held your limited personal experience to be evidence of a whole country’s behavior?
            Do you have any broad studies that refute what Heritage Foundation has to say about Mexico?
            Or for that matter Frazer Institute?
            http://www.freetheworld.com/countrydata.php?country=C84

            And judging by how poorly you grasp economics in the US, why would you expect anybody to think you know anything about Mexico?

          • Deerinwater

            Law enforcement

            Federal Policeheadquarters in Mexico City

            Public security is enacted at the three levels of government, each of which has different prerogatives and responsibilities. Local and state police department are primarily in charge of law enforcement, whereas the Mexican Federal Police are in charge of specialized duties.
            All levels report to the Secretaría de Seguridad Pública (Secretary of Public Security). The General Attorney’s Office (Procuraduría General de la República, PGR) is the executive power’s agency in charge of investigating and prosecuting crimes at the federal level, mainly those related to drug and arms trafficking,[91

            ] espionage, and bank robberies.[92] The PGR operates the Federal Investigations Agency (Agencia Federal de Investigación, AFI) an investigative and preventive agency.[93]

            While the government generally respects the human rights of its citizens, serious abuses of power have been reported in security operations in the southern part of the country and in indigenous communities and poor urban neighborhoods.[94]

            The National Human Rights Commission has had little impact in reversing this trend, engaging mostly in documentation but failing to use its powers to issue public condemnations to the officials who ignore its recommendations.[95]

            “By law”, all defendants have the rights that assure them fair trials and human treatment; however, the system is overburdened and overwhelmed with several problems.[94]

            Despite the efforts of the authorities to fight crime and fraud, few Mexicans have strong confidence in the police or the judicial system, and therefore, few crimes are actually reported by the citizens.[94]

            The Global Integrity Index which measures the existence and effectiveness of national anti-corruption mechanisms rated Mexico 31st behind Kenya, Thailand, and Russia.[96]

            In 2008, president Calderón proposed a major reform of the judicial system, which was approved by the Congress of the Union, which included oral trials, the presumption of innocence for defendants, the authority of local police to investigate crime—until then a prerogative of special police units—and several other changes intended to speed up trials.[97]

            Yes ! Mexico has “Laws” ~~ and ” HUMAN RIGHTS” ~

            But to enjoy the pleasure of these “rights” can prove very time consuming and costly ~ if the welfare of your family is important to you. ~ maybe it wise to put a “sock in it”. ~ take your “lumps” and move on.

            Mexico, is a “self policing” state. ~ Citizen’s clean their own streets and never is a public word spoken. ~ Things and people just ~ “disappear”. ~ They had a Mexican way ~ of conducting business. ~ They don’t need no stinking badges.

    • Don 2

      “Where government has failed ~ is to continue to take the subscribed medication long after the illness has been cured. ~ like “affirmative action.”

      On the other hand, maybe we need some reverse affirmative action in the NFL and NBA.

      • Deerinwater

        Correct Don ~ affirmation action needs to go ~

    • Bill

      Deer, Capital gains taxes encourages investment, which creates jobs.
      All taxes should be lowered and all government spending should be less
      Giving more tax money to politician is like flushing it down the toilet

    • Vis Fac

      I attempted to start a business during Carter’s administration. Local and federal regulations not only for obtaining a small business loan, licensing and other restrictions made it all but impossible to start a small business.

      I and others like me were forced to look elsewhere for financing most often the only assistance came from venture capitalists that wanted 75% of the business (rather like the tax code at that time) after 5 years or so.

      I was in need of financing and venture capital was not an option and in order to obtain working capital I turned to the stock market and invested what I could hoping I could parlay the earnings to finance my fledgling company. I was not able to escape capital gains then found myself deeper in debt, and my business closing down. I lost my house savings and everything tangible.

      After working three jobs for a few years I was able to save a little to again try to start a business Reagan’s policies made it possible for me and others like me to at least have a chance of success. We did quite well until Clinton’s second term when all business’ took a hit in the pocket book and people were more enamored in foreign knock off products than those of domestic origin.

      Say what you will about Reagan he was the right man for at the right time and I believe we need more like him. ANYONE who has the tenacity and fortitude to be an entrepreneur knows what I say is true.

      Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison

      The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

      Libertas
      inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • Vigilant

    “Just think; America’s top 1 percent income earners took up 8 percent of total income in 1970. Today, this same 1 percent takes up 17.4 percent of overall income. No wonder they promote the stock market, with $175 billion in dividends being paid out by the top companies.”

    I wouldn’t be too quick to disparage dividends, Mr. Livingston.

    “Tens of millions of Americans, from all income levels and age groups, own stocks that pay dividends. Senior citizens and people reaching retirement age represent a large portion of investors who own dividend-paying stocks. In fact, many seniors rely on dividend payments as a way to supplement their retirement income.”

    http://www.defendmydividend.org/Pages/facts.aspx

  • Mole Johnson

    Why is it, the only part of the govt that will listen to us is the NSA?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Good one, Mole.

    • Average_Joe56

      NSA:
      Peeping while you’re sleeping.
      We listen to you!

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Hey, how have you been?
        I was warring that you already were “genetically” exterminated by the Gay scientists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ygzazOCWhM

        Glad you are found. Do not be lost for long.
        Hope you HAVE BEEN well.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Surely those guys weren’t serious.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yep, Karolyn and KG would be agree with you.

            But I trust Matthew Moore, a journalist for The Daily Telegraph and Telegraph.co.uk

            He also is reporter for the CNNNN. And if he reports that Homosexual geneticists at the Pink Tiger Research Institute were able to isolate the Christian gene in rats, so you better believe, because the CNNNN’s slogan is: “If we report, you must believe”.

            P.S. Joe knows what it is about. That is about our conversation that took place 3-4 weeks ago.

        • Average_Joe56

          I am doing well, I just have some things on my plate right now that need attending to. I also get tired of arguing the same arguments with the same lame brains on a daily basis. I have come to the conclusion that those people (?) are here, simply to disrupt the board. They know the truth but simply need someone to argue with, in hopes of getting someone to blow their stack, so they can say…”See how conservatives act?”. They have no desire to add to the conversation…only to disrupt it. Rather than playing the game with them…I take a few days off now and then, to cool down….from the overdose of stupid being inflicted by them.
          I am still here reading the articles and comments, almost daily…just choosing not to comment or argue with idiots daily… it does wonders for my disposition.
          I am still happily heterosexual and Christian. ;)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, what a GREAT news to hear that you still heterosexual and infidel. I believe in you, and I am sure you will not convert into religion of “pigs”.

            Yes, “Some people (“lame brainers”) have a GIFT FOR
            STUPIDITY, an almost mystic ability to withstand any form of logic.” – David Gemmell

            But some are just hired workers of evil – Satan’s bastards.

            Well, do not disappear for long. We need intelligent people here. You see I got 4 “downs” for talking to you. He is nervous. Veeeery nervous.

            God bless us.

    • Speak2Truth

      Watch the movie “Oblivion”. We’re literally living it now. The top system of control has been turned against the people it is allegedly supposed to protect.

      Barack Obama makes a brief appearance at the very end of the movie, proclaiming, “I am your god!”

  • dan

    Some believe that the greatest divedends in a life well invested are family friends and the fruits of their labor….some believe that life is a monopoly game
    and those who accumulate the most cash (mammon) and property (who really owns the earth…or as Tostoy oberved,”How much lland does a man really need?”) win. We’ll all meet the Great Accountant in the sky and decide what was really important.

  • Jana

    Bob Livingston hit the nail on the head in this piece on Obamacare.

    All of these young people are waking up and finding out that free doesn’t really mean free. Obama needs to be fed. Obama’s IRS needs to be fed. Obama is a very greedy guy. Whatever it takes even off the backs of the people who serve him is fine.
    Lie # 1. We will get to keep our Dr.

    Answer. Not if he is no longer in business or is NOT on your plan because you are no longer a. employed or b. covered by your employer!
    (My Dr. is talking about going private where we pay a monthly stipend to him for his service. no pay no service!)

    Lie # 2. You can keep your insurance plan.
    Answer. HA HA

    In case you didn’t read it:

    By Bob Livingston
    As Obamacare nears implementation and the mundanes finally begin to
    grasp what some of us have been warning about since before its
    inception, their opposition to it grows. However, the old guard of the
    elected class is resisting acting as the opposition party and working to
    defund it. In fact, the members of the elected class are effectively
    thumbing their noses at the mundanes by exempting themselves from its
    provisions, even as Obama has exempted many of his sugar daddies and
    favored constituent groups.

    It is telling that even the union leaders who ardently supported the
    passage of Obamacare are now echoing the mundanes in calls for the law’s
    repeal. Yet statists and progressives in both parties continue ignoring
    the will of the people.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Jana, I just can’t believe that you are so misinformed about the O’Care.
      Please, stop fear mongering.

      Just ask the old man NutCase, or Louis Lemieux, mark, dave, smilee, Robbie, Karolyn, Ronny, et al.

      They will tell you that in reality the O’Care significantly lowering the cost of the people’s HealthCare; Improving the Quality of care and that there are 10 Reasons to thank Obamacare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suetmZzdk6Y

      1) Congress will have the SAME health care as the REST OF US.

      2) People under 26 can stay on parents’ health Insurance

      3) Insurers must justify rate hikes

      4) No discrimination on coverage based on gender

      5) Insurance can’t kick sick people off of coverage

      6) Chain restaurants must post calorie content

      7) No denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

      8) No copays for birth control, breast pumps & domestic violence screening

      9) No annual or lifetime dollar limits on needed care

      10)Small businesses get tax credits to provide insurance to their workers.

      Jana, do you doubt that in 2014, Americans will have access to the SAME health care choices as Members of Congress. Individuals will be able to purchase insurance through AFFORDABLE Insurance Exchanges (competitive marketplaces where people will be able to compare plans and make the choices best for them). Members of Congress will also get their coverage THROUGH the exchanges.
      (SEC. 1312 [42 U.S.C. 18032]. CONSUMER CHOICE.)
      http://thanksobamacare.org/index.php?id=3

      Dear, I think you are excessively pessimistic and distrustful of our Gov’t, who is so hardly working for us, American People, their constituents, whom they are eagerly represent. ☼

      P.S. “We have the best government that money can buy.” – Mark Twain

      • Ron r

        Amazing!!!!

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          I knew you’ll like it.

          • READY2SCRAP

            I like you…you funny!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Thank you. It’s better to be “funny” than stupid.

      • Truthful

        I’ll pass.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Good for you.

      • READYTOSCRAP

        He’s dead,,,,

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Who is dead? Mark Twain or obama?

      • Jana

        Alondra, thank you. I love your whit and whim. You made my day.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Thank you. I just was afraid you’ll take sarcasm seriously.

          My daughter was offended when I called her 3+ year old son (my precious grandson) liberal. I am babysitting him this week. My daughter went to Amsterdam (Nederland) for one week (business trip). He is displaying ALL characteristic of liberals – cheating, lying, manipulations. So I have fun with him. But can you imagine that in my home I have a Liberal man. I try to change him We are preying each morning: “Dear Abba, please keep me outta trouble today! Amen”. And if he (my grandson Andryusha) got in trouble, so that is Abba’s (not Bush’s) fault. I told you – he is a standard Liberal.

      • smilee

        Here are the facts that refute your false assertions, It is very clear you have not read the law or if you have then you are intentionally lying about it. will document the sources of all their information with links to them if anyone is interested in the truth and not just this type of BS

        Obamacare Myths

        Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling — and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

        September 16, 2013

        Summary

        We’ve been batting down bogus claims about the Affordable Care Act for years, since 2009, when legislation was still in the debate stage. But they’ve been increasing in intensity in recent months as we approach Oct. 1, the date the
        insurance exchanges will be open for business for those buying their own insurance, mainly with the help of federal subsidies.

        So, more than three years after our last health-care-whoppers piece (published just before the law was signed in 2010), we’re giving readers a rundown of the top. Some
        have been around for years, and others are relatively new. Most touch on three topics: jobs, premium costs and medical care. For instance:

        Republicans have made the overblown claim that the law is a job-killer, but experts predict a small impact on mainly low-wage jobs. The Republican National Committee says 8.2 million part-timers can’t find full-time work “partly”
        due to the law. That’s the total number of part-time workers who want full-time jobs, and there’s no evidence from official jobs figures that the law has had an impact.

        Proponents will go down, while opponents say they’ll go up. In general, employer plans won’t be affected much, and a price change for individuals seeking their own insurance will vary from person to person. Obama claimed that all of the uninsured would see lower premiums than what they could
        get now (before accounting for federal subsidies), but that’s not the case.

        Critics
        continue to make scary claims about the government coming between you and your doctor, but the law doesn’t set up a government-run system. If anything, the law comes between you and your insurance company, forbidding them from
        capping your coverage or charging you more based on health status.Meanwhile, Obama can’t promise you can keep your plan. Employers are free to switch coverage, just as they were before. And there’s more. Since 2010, we’ve been debunking the persistent claim that members of Congress are somehow exempt from the law. They’re not. the administration’s recent decision to give exchanges leeway in how they verify suspect applications for subsidies sparked the false claim that Americans can list what they’d like for their incomes and won’t face verification.

        Beyond these more reasonable topics, we’ve seen our share of far-fetched viral messages about microchips being implanted in patients and forced home inspections by the government. Rest assured. Neither is true.

        Note:
        This is a summary only. The full article with analysis, images and citations may be viewed on our website

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          My Dear Liberal friend, did you watch and read the links I provided?

          Those aren’t MY “false assertions”. Those are the Progressive groups in Colorado, who have launched a campaign called “Thanks Obamacare” to focus attention on provisions of the law they believe should be widely hailed.
          http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/10/24/141661303/progressives-launch-thanks-obamacare-campaign-embracing-putdown

          So dear smilee, do not blame me. I would not read your crappola. Post it for NutCase or Karolyn or any of your comrades here.
          Chao.

          • Deerinwater

            I don’t believe that it’s “appropriate” to blame someone else for what you elect to do or not do Alondra.

            Like they say in the military, “Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em” ~ needless to say, ~ If you haven’t got them, you won’t be smoking,

            The effort to restructure health care is a seriously huge bag of worms that few have wished to undertake while more then enough evidence has mounted and been presented that some reform or restructuring is desperately needed.

            Our doctor’s have allowed their profession to be taken over by insurance companies. In the beginning perhaps this was seen as a good thing and very workable. For at the time, ~ America honored hard work, commitment and the loyalty of a dedicated labor force. So the connection between Employer, Labor force and providing Heath care was made.

            This seemed sensible and worked fairly well for many decades. ~ The money from profits was there, the work and the labor force was all in place. ~ Much of these items no longer exist in the same quantities today as they did back when ~ Employer based health care was first offered.

            This arrangement did not include and never intended to include all Americans. ~ For those that found themselves on the “outside” of this system, Insurance companies made arrangements to address with individual policies and smaller “group” policies.
            .
            For those Americans that could not afford medical coverage or medical coverage was refused by suppliers of medical coverage there was church’s, humanitarian organizations to solicit for assistance. And then of course there was American’s local taxing authorities that worked with Hospital Districts, seeing that they were funded well enough to provide “reactive care” to local citizens that managed to present themselves and be admitted through the ER.

            So what has changed? ~ well~~ a lot has changed I’m afraid.

            One of the first things to change was the respect for labor as the “New Information Age” spread over our nation and the world. The “digital age” brought with it many changes ~ and a new way of looking at “production” . ~ Why work with Iron, steel and timber if “profit” is all that you desire?

            Ma Bell Telephone all but removed herself from the telephone business,and focused on the domination of networks. ~ lets someone else , set and climb these poles. ~ The hard labor work was out-sourced. ~ These new vendors held no commitment to employees or providing health care and with not shortage of labor to operate daily operations ~ why should they? As they too were looking for “profits”.

            This is but one of thousands of examples of the “change” that has sweep our nation since 1979 as the down sizing of companies and our government swept across the nation like wild fire and displaced workers by the millions before it was through and the digital age rushed in.

            America all but got out of the Steel business for a time as it’s factories were old and out dated and could no longer complete in the market place with the very nations these old machines helped rebuild after WWII. ~ making their owners very rich in the process I might add.

            With less employee’s to offer coverage, ~ Insurance providers found it necessary to start raising rates. ~ up to 300 % in just two decades as I hear tell. ~ but even that was not enough to keep profits up. ~ Denying claims and limiting coverage gained some popularity as a way to keep profits up.

            This denying of claims created an adversarial climate between hospitals and insurance providers. Hospitals had to hire staffing to push claims through, and work a sort of waiting game for their money as Insurance companies controlled the purse strings ~ and thread the needle of money management. ~ the insurance companies had to employ “time” to their advantage for the system to work.

            The Hospitals found it necessary to get creative with their billing practices on all levels. ~ inflating prices being but one.

            When underwriters started writing medical Insurance policies that were not worth the paper they were written on ~ was the turning point in many American’s mind.

            So yes Alondra ~ it’s a huge can of worms ~ and it’s not over yet ~ and I seriously doubt if everyone can be pleased with any reform.

          • smilee

            I did it is all propaganda as factcheck has proven and which you say you ignore. No wonder you are so in dark when all you have is tunnel vision and only look at what you want to hear and see. I’m betting you have never read the law because if you had you would know what factcheck has said is true and if you checked out their links to their sources you would also be led to the truth, The truth has nothing to do with liberal or conservative values it is merely the truth of which you care nothing for in this case.

      • Jana

        Hahaha I love it.

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Jana, I think this reply is for my comment about my “liberal” grandson, which is below. Because you already replied at this one. (?)

  • Don 2

    The medium household income is $51,000.00/year, unless you are members of the ruling class who reside in four counties surrounding Washington D.C., where the medium household income is over $100,000.00/yr. No wonder all the bottom feeders think the economy is great.

  • KG

    An open post to clear the Ideas of Nasi and Socialism.

    The Nazis most resoundingly were NOT socialists by the only valid definition extant, and the verifiable evidence is absolutely unanimous and overwhelming.

    William L. Shirer in THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH noted that there was little or no socialism in “National Socialism”.

    Thyssen (I PAID HITLER and many others) pointed out that the “marriage” of business and the National Socialist Party, despite Hitler’s contempt for aristocracy and business in general, guaranteed high profits for businesses. Ironically, his steel company was seized over what amounted to a personal hassle with the hierarchy, and handed over for administration and profit to
    Krupp/von Bohlen, rather than being “nationalized” in the pure sense, which is what would’ve happened in a left wing state.

    Albert Speer, the Third Reich’s last Armaments Minister, in INSIDE THE THIRD REICH makes clear that he had great difficulty controlling fiefdoms and bailiwicks of various private firms well into 1944, when the war was already going to pieces. He also notes the privatization of all the formerly state-owned arsenals, even the huge ones at Suhl, Spandau, and Amberg (13 in all!).

    Public education, of course, had been one of the key features of all organized states since Roman times. And National Public Health in Germany was enacted 1871-83, before Hitler was BORN, by the Bismarck government.

    Hitler’s state enacted NO new welfare programs, and eliminated many, sending former “loafers” to the death or work camps.

    Almost none qualified for military service, as the Weimar Republic had always claimed.

    Hitler, of course, much like today’s conservatives, attacked the Weimar government as “intrusive” and “socialist”, and he HATED “Bolshevism” and “social democrats” (socialists), and proclaimed it loudly on almost every page of MEIN KAMPF.

    Bullock, Toland, Heisler, and hundreds of others verify that there was no nationalization in Nazi Germany, and indeed, the general trend was in the other direction. Railroads were amalgamated and standardized for military purposes, but this had been a plan for at least 80 years!

    Himmler, well before the Wannsee Conference, and after the “Night of the Long Knives”, which eventuated the disposal of any and all left-sympathizing party members, including Ernst Roehm, about 1938, enunciated to a mass meeting of the SchutzStaffel (S.S.): “We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies.”

    Here’s the deal: You can hear LOTS of things, especially if listening to clowns. But every scholar clearly identifies the Nazis with the right wing, and no one serious does NOT identify them with the reactionary right wing. All the historians agree.The inclusion of the “s” word was a clumsy but sometimes convenient leftover from a merger well described in the literature.

    They even used it, short term, through tracts written by the Strasser brothers, to con working men into acquiescing to the movement. For their leftist-sounding pamphlets, the Strassers were murdered. And anyone who suggested in Germany, once they took power, that Nazis were “progressive” or “leftists” would’ve been killed for his statement.

    It’s the scholarship that counts. Drunks in bars and idiots spewing madness in chat rooms are not sources of ANY kind! And the same applied to uncredentialed and unportfolioed so-called “pundits” who claim Nazis were “progressive” or “liberal”, which is a huge, undocumented, insidious, and criminal lie.

    No, Hitler and the Nazis were about as far from “socialists” as it is possible to be.

    Source(s):
    All the valid sources, to include the witnesses, participants, victims, scholars, observers, and anyone who has actually studied the subject matter.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      From Nazi Leader Hermann Goering’s own lips — “Your America is doing many things in the economic field which we found out caused us so much trouble. You are trying to control peoples’ wages and prices — peoples’ work. If you do that you must control peoples’ lives. And no country can do that part way. I tried and it failed. Nor can any country do it all the way either. I tried that too and it failed. You are no better planners than we. I should think your economists would read what happened here”.
      http://mises.org/daily/6162/DiLorenzo-Devastates-the-State

    • Cashu

      At the end of the day, exactly what difference does it make whether or not fascists or communists are in control. It’s kind of like trying to understand the democrap/repuglicon dichotomy. They are BOTH totalitarian systems of society that each have little or no respect for the common citizen. That makes them both reprehensible and unworthy of serious consideration by people who want to be free and enjoy God-given liberty instead of government allowed privileges that can and will be changed to suit government du jour of the moment.

      Aren’t we all too familiar with the changes enacted in our legal structure whenever the political party is changed? And aren’t we all just a little disgusted when that happens because it points out the simple fact we have no real absolute rights we can count on.

      Both major parties in America are nearly the same in their quest and determination to enslave us in the name of almighty government. Both parties rule as they wish once they’ve been selected and appointed to office, merely giving lip-service to the ideal of a free and impartial election. The fact that the democraps are somewhat more socialist/communist than the repuglicons are dictator fascist should not be a reason to continuously debate which is the less evil. They’re BOTH evil and they’re both complicit with each other in the administration of that evil.

      A return to Constitutional rule of law is essential for the recovery of this country – IF it’s still possible without an armed uprising and revolution again. The really alarming thing to note here is the fact that we are now on the brink of oblivion. If the dollar dies, we’re all simply third world peasants except for that small percentage of elites who have been instrumental in orchestrating our nation’s demise.

      It’s time to seriously consider what we each should do to prepare for total chaos and complete lawlessness in the very near future. Perhaps it’s way too late for even that…

      Cashu

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    • speedle24

      That’s right Karl. Nazi Germany was a fascist state, much like the state that Obama is trying to create in America, in which there is a symbiotic relationship between government and chosen business. We like to call it “Crony Capitalism” but it really deserves a much more sinister tag.

      So while it is true that Hitler and his government were not really accurately described as purveyors of your personal ideology, they were very closely aligned with your chosen President’s economic ideology. Congratulations.

    • Vigilant

      There are few long-standing canards that are as patently ridiculous as the notion that Fascism is a right wing philosophy. This has been a myth from the days that the excesses of the leftist Hitler were so unconscionable in the eyes of the world that they (the left) sought to pin the blame on someone else, Obama-fashion.

      The central question of governing entails NOT what you entitle your governing philosophy, but to what degree is allowed the flourishing of individual sovereignty.

      Philosophies correctly called “leftist” seek ever-INCREASING control over their citizenry to the point of absolute dictatorship at the extreme. In this respect, communism and fascism are IDENTICAL.

      Philosophies of the right seek ever-DECREASING control over their citizenry to the point of anarchy when taken to the extreme.

      Thus, it is not the pressures of the right that motivate the Republican Party but the pressures of the left. And yes, the Repubs are marginally better than the Dems only to the extent that they have resisted progressivism, not conservatism.

      KG, mark and others who believe that fascism is a right wing philosophy need only to consider this: in the tens of thousands of postings on this PLD website, have you EVER seen a right winger advocate for INCREASED control over the populace?

      You CANNOT and WILL NOT identify fascism with the right.

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Vigilant,

        Excellent comment!

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Vigilant

          Thank you, sir!

          • KG

            so, i guess, you both are sympathetic to the Nazi cause?
            Zeig Heil!

          • Vigilant

            Your lack of reading comprehension skills is exceeded only by your proclivity to propagandize.

          • KG

            So that explains your ignorance concerning Nazism. Like the Three Stooges used to do – if I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

            You lack of intelligence is only compounded by your proclivity towards conservative bias.

          • Vigilant

            Before you so blindly identify Naziism with the right, answer my question: in the tens of thousands of postings on this PLD website, have you EVER seen a right winger advocate for INCREASED control over the populace?

            Face it, KG, you and others on the left desperately WANT to believe that fascism is a right wing political philosophy, not because it’s fact (which it is not), but because you need it to be so.

          • KG

            Yes. Every time that someone mentions Abortion. Or Gay Marriage. Or Organizing workers. Or (you can put just about anything here except for the right to bear arms in day care centers and workplaces where you want to do mass murder)

          • smilee

            Did you ever know of a nazi group in this country whom was not a part of the far right radical wing as is the kKK today, whose membership has exploded since Obama took office

          • Vigilant

            Did you ever read my original posting on the matter?

            Nazis, Neo-nazis and KKK are dictatorial groups who would deprive people of life, liberty and property. They are therefore on the LEFT of the scale as I defined it. I have never heard anyone who values the principles upon which out nation was founded EVER extol the values of communism, socialism, Naziism, the KKK, etc.

            Your comment reveals that you still can’t get over the left-right paradigm. And it’s a common phenomenon. It’s been drilled into our heads for so long that the mistake has become ingrained as fact in our minds.

            Again, the far left is dictatorship, the far right is anarchy.

          • smilee

            In politics today they certainly are not on the left and are not voting that way by their own admission. Your definition of left in reality today is the far right. So your spin is just out of control. Dictatorships can be everywhere on the scale but anarchy is on the far right as that is what the preach and at the same time deny it and that is your trouble.

          • Vigilant

            Smilee, you are still in the rut of accepting stereotypes of the left/right paradigm. I don’t fault you for that, as I was in that same rut for many years until I discovered that the paradigm is inadequate as a yardstick.

            What I’m saying is yes, you are correct that there are features and positions on the “right” that would entail imposition of controls on individuals. ANYTHING to the left of anarchy involves controls and impositions on individual liberty.

            If you dispense with left/right and look at the model I propose (I’m not the first one to do this), you will be able to see this in a light that both makes sense and clarity.

            Call it “up/down” instead of “left/right.” The model puts absolute dictatorship at the top and anarchy at the bottom, i.e., total control at the top and total lack of control at the bottom. Theocracies, absolute monarchies, communist and fascist dictators would all be at the top of the model.

            Anarchies (which can exist for only fleeting amounts of time) and perhaps Libertarian ultra-laissez-faire government will be found at the bottom.

            In between we have governments of varying degrees of control over their populations. The Founders created such a government that sought to balance the natural rights of the individual with the rule of law.

            All argument about whether abortion, for example, is a matter of individual sovereignty to be protected, or is to be made the brunt of laws to punish homicide, is an argument about where it falls on that model. It is not an argument about the validity of the model, it is an argument about what constitutes control.

            Pro-abortionists believe that natural law protects individual choice, pro-lifers believe that taking a human life is not a right under natural law.

          • smilee

            Your so confused and mixed up and out of touch with reality. You also argue against the precepts of the US Constitution which I doubt you like either

          • Vigilant

            If you truly believe that I’m arguing against the precepts of the US Constitution, then it is you who are confused.

            If you don’t understand my crystal clear logic, then you shouldn’t read my postings.

            I tried to be nice to you and not engage in trading insults. You have decided otherwise. So be it.

          • smilee

            You claim to be arguing for the precepts of the US Constitution but your problem is you do not understand it so your logic is more like being in a snow storm, its jthat that unclear

          • Vigilant

            “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
            Martin Lither King, Jr.

          • smilee

            I’m sure he had people like you in mind when he said it!!

          • Deerinwater

            It was a good posting Vigilant. ~I commend you on your ability to frame the discussion and open the argument., as you did present a good “opening ” argument ~that Hitler was a lefty instead of a right’y . ~ So what is gained by this labeling? ~ Your preference in monsters is better than mine?

      • Deerinwater

        Hmmm? ~ leftist and Hitler ~ now that’s a stretch I’ve heard presented before.

        So anything right of Hitler is perceived as a good thing?

        Okay! ~ I think i get it now. ~ ???? ~ Right is left and left it Right ~

        Hitler was a monster ~ there are many types and sorts of Monsters.

        Ugly ones, beautiful ones, noisy and more demure ones ~ ones that sneak about pulling sand in your KY.

        • Vigilant

          No Deer, you don’t get it.

          “Hitler was a monster ~ there are many types and sorts of Monsters.” But not ONE of them advocates freedom for their subjects. They are therefore on the left of the scale.

          Simply put, if you cite ANY leader in history who is/was a dictator, then you can not identify them with the principles of the right.

          You and many others have been spoon fed the lie that fascism is an extremist philosophy of the right for so long that you have accepted it without question. I did too, until I discovered the difference between right and left.

          I can only repeat the question: “in the tens of thousands of postings on this PLD website, have you EVER seen a right winger advocate for INCREASED control over the populace?”

          • smilee

            Ask that of gays, many woman and so on and so on and they will not believe you, The right wingers are very much the deniers of freedom to those whom they do not agree with and very much want to make their activities illegal even when they have no consequence on you.. Is that not the control of the populace??

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm? ~ okay.

            you offer, ” But not ONE of them advocates freedom for their subjects. They are therefore on the left of the scale.”

            So where does “Nationalistic” pride and “their Subject” separate and differ Vigilant? Did not Hitler offer and appeal to his “subject” with notions of “Freedom” from oppression imposed by conquest?

            It would seem that it’s easy enough to speak of the “Right” being “dictator free” ~ and they might well come to power marching under such a banner ~ but “personal freedom” doesn’t seen to enjoy a long life under any form of government, call it what you may.

            You ask, “I can only repeat the question: “in the tens of thousands of postings on this PLD website, have you EVER seen a right winger advocate for INCREASED control over the populace?”

            Well, ~ not too often ~ but certainly. ~ Women rights and reproductive issues being one.

            Allow me to assimilate your thoughts ~ as I know that there are always exception to the rule and I’m certainly not ruling out your comments.

          • Vigilant

            “Did not Hitler offer and appeal to his “subject” with notions of “Freedom” from oppression imposed by conquest?”

            Yes, he did, but when that offer turned out to be the swapping of external oppression with internal oppression, it most certainly became a leftist iron fist. Freedoms are not expanded by a government that murders its people at will.

            Your point about women’s rights, and KG’s/smilee’s points about abortion/gay marriage, are well taken. However, and I will probably incur the wrath of fundamentalist Christians in saying this, but there can be no doubt that their opinions in such matters indeed do entail a factor of control over others’ lives.

            And to harbor those views does as well remove them from the “far right” category and nudge them to the left. Again, EVERYTHING is to the left of anarchy and EVERYTHING is to the right of absolute dictatorship.

          • Vigilant

            Deer, you said “It would seem that it’s easy enough to speak of the “Right” being “dictator free” ~ and they might well come to power marching under such a banner ~ but “personal freedom” doesn’t seem to enjoy a long life.”

            The basic disconnect we have is in the use of the phrase “they might well come to power…”

            In terms of “power,” the Libertarian is interested in its divestiture, not its augmentation. The power of politics would be necessary to attain influential positions in the business of government for the sole purpose of REDUCING its own power.

            There can be no such thing as a Libertarian dictator as such a term is an oxymoron.

      • WTS/JAY

        Tis a shame, Vigilant, that such flawless logic as yours, is wasted on the intellectual-swine. Kudos, just the same, and keep up the good work!

        • Vigilant

          My many thanks!

      • Deerinwater

        Which “Right” ? ~ as clearly today’s “Rght” wears many faces and wears many hats.

      • KG

        May be this short interview will convince you of what the Nazis really were. I do not advocate for anything Mr Thompson stands for, but this line of reasoning he explores is fascinating in the context of modern history.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQIxFGc2qmU

        • Vigilant

          KG, I fear you’ve misunderstood my point. You may not agree with me, but traditional definitions of left and right are totally inadequate. They have become bogged down with factors that are not descriptive of their components/proponents.

          Communication has always been a key sticking point in discussions, and we see it here every day, as commenters assume that everyone uses a word in the same way and defines it in the same way that the commenter does. Nothing could be further from the truth.

          Attempting to use a yardstick to measure degrees of “left” and “right” is a fruitless pursuit, given the confusion as to what those terms mean.

          My description of left and right would clear up all problems because it can be discretely measured, i.e., the degree of force used or advocated to attain one’s ends through government.

          And no one could doubt that Naziism was a form of government that depended upon the use of deadly force to achieve and maintain its nefarious ends. It was, in retrospect, no different from Stalin’s USSR in its brutality and lack of regard for the sanctity of individual sovereignty.

          • KG

            Your ‘yard stick’ of the commonly known ‘Power Scale’ is a false assumption.

            Man, in the terms of JP Sarte, is ‘…condemned to be free.” Every human being on the face of the earth has the power of Choice. If man fears his ultimate power he can always find solace in a deterministic world. A world that is purely determined by either instinct, Providence or Mathematics. However, this gives man an intense insecurity in his world that expresses itself not so much as fear but as Anxiety towards his ultimate destination.

            After all, Death is inevitable and indefensible. It’s in the face of Death that we find our ultimate purpose or drive.

            Real truth is experiential and cannot be mediated. It is the ultimate “…you had to be there.”

            Language, science…even art is subjective and can’t be trusted.

            Words and language are all communications between one self to another ‘self’ and are therefore useless.

            In other words, FACTS as we know them are ILLUSIONS! All statements are language and by definition OPINIONS!

            The only TRUTH conveyed by language is the lingering question mark where the answer would be if it existed

          • Vigilant

            I’m not interested in engaging in a philosophical discussion about existentialism or the angst of being. My interest is in the everyday application of external power to the lives of individuals.

          • Deerinwater

            That sounds like something that I would write. ~ But we both knew that we had something in common ~ did we not?

            I want to possess things that I can use, eat, drive or ride. Matter of the spirit are unless they can be employed.

          • KG

            Socrates: “The unexamined life is not worth living”

            The application of external power to individuals is all about our existence.

            “You’re still in prison if you do nothing better in freedom.”
            ― Toba Beta, Master of Stupidity

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “The direction in which EDUCATION starts a man will determine his future in life” – Plato

            “If a man neglects EDUCATION, he walks LAME to the end of his life” ~ Plato, His Dialogue Timaeus

            “The real tragedy of life is when MEN are afraid of the light.” – Plato

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “The direction in which EDUCATION starts a man will determine his future in life” – Plato

            “If a man neglects EDUCATION, he walks LAME to the end of his life” ~ Plato, His Dialogue Timaeus

            “The real tragedy of life is when MEN are afraid of the light.” – Plato

        • Vigilant

          In the first few minutes, Eric Thompson says something that proves my point. Although I totally disagree with his contention that the Bolshevik revolution was a conservative movement, he interestingly bolsters my point that anarchy is a conservative ideology.

          In other words, he confirms that the farther right on the line you go, the less control of our lives by government is advocated.

          No one who is even remotely familiar with either communism or Naziism can maintain with a straight face that they had lofty aims of decreasing centralized government control.

          Moreover, Thompson claims that communism is an international movement and Naziism is a national movement. That’s pretty hard to maintain in the face of Hitler’s regional and possibly world empire aspirations. William Shirer, as I recall, characterized Hitler as the last of the Napoleonesque conquerors. Hardly an argument for pure nationalism.

          • KG

            quote: …he interestingly bolsters my point that anarchy is a conservative ideology.

            Is ‘anarchy’ really freedom? If Anarchy were the rule, we would all be trapped in our homes by gun toting thugs expressing their 2nd amendment solutions to everyone. So the so-called ‘Power Scale’ is a false assumption.

          • Vigilant

            Where in my many postings have you found any advocation of anarchy? The “Power Scale” ASSUMES nothing. It is merely a device for clarifying the degrees of power exercised by government.

            Power of government is zero during the fleeting periods of anarchy, power of government is total and oppressive when absolute dictatorships exist.

            I agree with Hobbes that life is nasty, brutish and short under anarchy. How does that make the scale a false assumption (which it is not, it’s a fact)?

            P.S. I think you’re arguing just for the sake of argument now.

          • KG

            My argument is against the assumption that most ‘libertarians’ make when it comes to ‘freedom’ and general economic prosperity. Most would have you agree to the assumption that less government would produce more prosperity. However, there would be no prosperity without some kind of government. The ‘power scale’ makes a big assumption. It assumes that as government power decreases, prosperity increases (at least that’s what the Libertarian try to sell you). This is a totally false consequence that can be readily proven by going to South Central LA. Despite what many people assume, SCLA is the least patrolled area by LAPD. There are only about 7000 officers for a population of almost 20 million residents of LA. The most patrolled areas are the beaches and the hills where all the regular people live. So, does less government produce more prosperity? I think not.

          • Vigilant

            My comments have nothing to do with prosperity as a function of government control. Please don’t complicate the argument unnecessarily.

  • TML

    “Voters are also seeking to secede from that State, as well as from California and Maryland.”

    What the….? The secession of a county from a state? That’s ridiculous. They would need approval of the state legislature, and Congress (if their new “state” were to remain part of the Union).

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      This is what Bob is talking about:
      http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/north-colorado-secession-movement-inches-forward/
      Any group of people can legitimately secede from any Government. The hard part is fighting off the Gang after the secession (ask the Southerners):
      http://mises.org/daily/3427

      Remember, TML, Government for the people, By the people?

      • TML

        I can make very strong arguments regarding the legality of the right for a state to secede from the Union, but no such thing exists unilaterally for a county, whether in the state Constitution, nor the US Constitution. Even upon the principle laid down in the Declaration of Independence, it would require ‘a long train of abuses, and usurpations, under absolute Despotism’ to warrant legitimate secession. While even from reading the article, it seem more like ‘light and transient causes’. It’s an absurd and ridiculous gesture especially considering Colorado “voters just dismissed two statist gun grabbers — an event unprecedented in Colorado history.”

        They should take back their state, rather than dubious ideas of a ‘county’ secession.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          When it comes right down to it, TML, Government has no legitimate authority. To acquire that authority, each individual would have to agree consensually to be bound by it. Obviously we haven’t done that. The truth is that Government is just a very large Gang which has legitimacy only because we have all been Propagandized to believe they do, and because most of us wouldn’t dare to dispute their monopoly of Power.
          And if you want to talk about “dubious”, TML, why in the world should people who don’t live in those counties be able to vote against their secession from the state?

          • rbrooks

            I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

            tis a reason they make all of us recite this, or one of the newer versions.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist, Flashman, and I never took it.

          • rbrooks

            a socialist preacher, comrade davey.

            you may be the exception to the rule. but the vast majority of american children used to recite that daily at school. public or private school. it was a favorite at sporting events for years.

            using your own definition, you must be a liberal progressive.

          • KG

            Well, that explains you traitorous proclivities as well as you selfish social standing. People like you are usually shot for being that way.

          • Vigilant

            Yes, KG, in your communist world they would be.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Coming out of the closet, KGB?

          • Vigilant

            Whatever does that have to do with the discussion at hand? Reminder: the legal basis for/against secession is being discussed, NOT the pledge of allegiance.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You forgot, “UNDER GOD” in your pledge. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고나라를위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • rbrooks

            i would not expect a boat refugee to know the history of the u.s. pledge.

            thanks for proving your ignorance once again.

          • TML

            It derives its power from the consent of the governed, of course, and the government and Constitution of Colorado has long been instituted on that basis. Any violation of this by that government should be challenged through that system, if the individuals do not consent – unless, and until, a condition of absolute despotism (which doesn’t exist in Weld County). And as I pointed out, the voters just dismissed two “gun-grabbers”. That’s the way it works. Not some flimsy ideas of anarchy that dismiss the rule of law.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you reciting the Declaration of Independence, a document written by men? A document which wasn’t accepted as legal by the British?
            “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government” — Thomas Jefferson

          • TML

            Yes, I am… as well as the Constitution of Colorado (Preamble, Article 1, & Article 2), which is based on consent of the governed. Btw, the British Empire/Monarchy had no such basis for their government, so your rhetoric is nonsensical to my point.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your comments are nonsensical to me, TML.
            And to say “Constitution of Colorado (Preamble, Article 1, & Article 2), which is based on consent of the governed”, shows just how logically fallacious you are.
            There are always “no” votes to any such system, so obviously those people did not give their consent.

          • TML

            “shows just how logically fallacious you are.
            There are always “no” votes to any such system, so obviously those people did not give their consent.”

            Fallacious? The Legislature IS the representative of the people, and thus their consent. How many no votes might be dismissed to create this proposed new state from a seceding county? To say that secession is legitimate without 100% yes vote from the inhabitants (which would be unlikely, absent a true state of absolute despotism) would be arguing my point… that the inhabitants of that county are part of the larger state, and they should work through that system to oppose any laws which violate the Constitution.

            I’m wondering; would the new state Constitution resemble the present one?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “The Legislature IS the representative of the people, and thus their consent”.
            Circular reasoning.

            TML says — “How many no votes might be dismissed to create this proposed new state from a seceding county?”.
            Non sequitur. I was commenting on your consent statement, TML. I said nothing of the new Government being any more consensual.

            Can you imagine if me and another person were to form a contract which obligated you, TML, to certain conditions without your okay? You would be livid, of course.
            You will deny the similarity, but I wouldn’t expect anything else from you.

            Ideally, some day, people will become sophisticated enough to solve their problems with voluntary associations so that no class of people gets to ride on the unwilling shoulders of any other class of people. Government is just a parasitic gang of people who claim legitimacy by “allowing” people to vote for their coercers. I have no hopes of converting you, TML, as you are obviously too far gone, but I do hope that others, who are not too heavily Propagandized yet, will think about it.

          • TML

            DaveH says, “Non sequitur. I was commenting on your consent statement, TML. I said nothing of the new Government being any more consensual.”

            My argument is that it would require the consent of the people (the State Legislature) for a county to secede from a sovereign state (absent despotism as defined by the Bill of Rights). Are you advocating that a county, city, or community, has the unilateral right to secede from a state (absent despotism as defined by the Bill of Rights)?

            DaveH says, “Can you imagine if me and another person were to form a contract which obligated you, TML, to certain conditions without your okay? You would be livid, of course.”

            Well, that happens sometimes.
            If I’m not ok with something in the Constitution, or a law passed, then I will voice it to my state government/representatives and try to change it. If it violates the Constitution, then I will be even more active in my opposition to it – and I’m not just talking about voting. And if I couldn’t change it, I’d probably tell them to go to hell, which is why I’m in Texas ;)

            DaveH says, “Ideally, some day, people will become sophisticated enough to solve their problems with voluntary associations so that no class of people gets to ride on the unwilling shoulders of any other class of people”

            I agree. but on this…

            DaveH says, “I have no hopes of converting you, TML, as you are obviously too far gone”

            You are having delusions of granduer

          • smilee

            Anything that is true is nonsensical to you!

          • TML

            “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes” – Thomas Jefferson

            The Constitution of Colorado is not destructive to the those ends. And we can see the rightful remedy to laws passed which violate that Constitution, is through the same system (as they just ousted two “gun-grabbers” from their government). We are talking about a sovereign state, not the relationship between Federal Government and State Government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It depends on whether you are the victim, or the perpetrator, TML, as to how “light and transient” you consider the circumstances to be.
            I take Jefferson’s statement as persuading people not to “divorce”, so to speak, for insignificant problems. But as the saying goes — “Beauty is in the Eyes of the Beholder”. What seems “light and transient” to a casual observer might be very onerous indeed to the people who are the victims.
            And Jefferson, being a very worldly man, was very aware of the reality that the Gang would be very upset over the Secessionists departure, thus the reasons for secession had better be important enough to be willing to shed your blood in the ensuing battle.

          • TML

            By your measure even the most trivial perceptions could be justification for any county, city, or community to unilaterally secede from a state. The definition of what is, or is not ‘light and transient’ can be defined by (or deduced from) the natural rights engrained in their/our Constitution. That’s what I take Jefferson’s words to mean… not just to ‘be ready for a fight if you secede’. He advocated peaceful secession, if necessary, between federal and state through strict constructionism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You should have quit while you were behind, TML.

          • KG

            Duh, it’s called “The UNITED States of America”.
            Not “The Confederacy of independent Nations.”

            Rebellion can not, and WILL not be tolerated no matter the “legality” of such an action. Texas is the only state that was recognized to be able to split into four more states if the need arose. However, they would still be recognized as States within a Union.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How quaint, the commie KGB talking about legality.

          • KG

            What is THAT supposed to mean coming from a self-described Rothbard “Anarchist”? In your pathetic dystopian paradise “legality” would mean nothing.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It means just what I said. Here we have a Commie Shill, communism being a total perversion of the concept of Freedom and the Constitution, talking to us about “legality”. You’re a joke, KGB. Are you just here for Commie Relief?

          • KG

            And Rothbard is not a perverted ‘freedom’ nutball?

            I’m here to piss-off jokers like you who imagine themselves as intellectual Giants but are really deluded, selfish, self-centered, ego worshipers who cannot fathom the depths of intellectual honesty due to their worship of all things Randian. Face it, you patron saint was a crazy Russian lady who thought selfishness was the highest human virtue.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s rich (oops, I don’t mean to make your comrades jealous), KGB — A commie who likes to take things from other people calling me selfish.

          • TML

            Again, if you are going to continue to add to your comments, perhaps add another post, rather than worrying about your credibility for not being clear, because otherwise I don’t know about your update.

            DaveH says, “And if you want to talk about “dubious”, TML, why in the world should people who don’t live in those counties be able to vote against their secession from the state?”

            On what basis are those counties seceding from the sovereign state, of which the people themselves are sovereign? Are you saying that you would support secession by a county overrun by Muslim immigrants for example? You need to think about what you are really advocating and why, rather than being so steadfast in ideas of anarchy. I could agree with you regarding the secession of a state from the federal government because of the contract between them, but the secession of county is quite different in regards to strict constructionism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So you’re the comment police now, TML? What else would I expect?

            TML says — “Are you saying that you would support secession by a county overrun by Muslim immigrants for example?”.
            Yes. Why not? Are you a religious bigot, TML?

            TML says — “I could agree with you regarding the secession of a state from the federal government because of the contract between them, but the secession of county is quite different”.

            Not at all. They are all just artificial boundaries, and boundaries change. By your way of thinking, TML, a woman would never be able to leave her husband or visa versa. My world is not so rigid as yours, TML.
            I believe in voluntary contracts between humans. You obviously don’t.

            Okay, I’m done with you. I’ve said all I care to say, and it’s obvious you will keep coming back with one illogical response after another, so I will let you have the last word.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So you’re the comment police now, TML? What else would I expect?

            TML says — “Are you saying that you would support secession by a county overrun by Muslim immigrants for example?”.
            Yes. Why not? Are you a religious bigot, TML?

            TML says — “I could agree with you regarding the secession of a state from the federal government because of the contract between them, but the secession of county is quite different”.

            Not at all. They are all just artificial boundaries, and boundaries change. By your way of thinking, TML, a woman would never be able to leave her husband or visa versa. My world is not so rigid as yours, TML.
            I believe in voluntary contracts between humans. You obviously don’t.

            Okay, I’m done with you. I’ve said all I care to say, and it’s obvious you will keep coming back with one illogical response after another, so I will let you have the last word.

          • TML

            DaveH says, “So you’re the comment police now, TML?”

            I just assumed you were actually trying to have a conversation.

            TML says — “Are you saying that you would support secession by a county overrun by Muslim immigrants for example?”.
            DaveH says, “Yes. Why not? Are you a religious bigot, TML?”

            Not a bigot in the least.
            Why not, is the same reason for the separation of church and state.

            TML says — “I could agree with you regarding the secession of a state from the federal
            government because of the contract between them, but the secession of county is quite different”
            DaveH says, “Not at all. They are all just artificial boundaries, and boundaries change. By your way of thinking, TML, a woman would never be able to leave her husband or visa versa. My world is not so rigid as yours, TML.”

            I guess I am more rigid in my principles than you. Your analogy is pure strawman, although I don’t believe a wife or husband should break their oaths unless being abused, no.

            DaveH says, “I believe in voluntary contracts between humans. You obviously don’t.”

            I do as well, but what you’re advocating is anarchy; not liberty through rule of law. Not only is government there to mediate disputes regarding those voluntary contracts; the voluntary contract in this context would be an agreement between the state Legislature and the county, rather than unilateral.

            You need to lay off the mises.org and think for yourself awhile.

      • JeffH

        County in California Passes Resolution to Secede, Forming New State of Jefferson
        http://www.opposingviews.com/i/news/county-california-passes-resolution-secede-forming-new-state-jefferson#

        REGION: California secession effort still alive
        http://www.pe.com/local-news/politics/jeff-horseman-headlines/20120923-region-california-secession-effort-still-alive.ece

        IS DAVIS A TRAITOR? …or… Was Secession a Constitutional Right Previous to the War of 1861?
        – Albert Taylor Bledsoe, A.M., LL. D.
        http://www.mikechurch.com/founders-tradin-post/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Is_Davis_A_Traitor_FREE_PREVIEW_CH_XV_EDITION.pdf

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It sounds like Northern California is suffering at the hands of the rest of California, much like the Southern states suffered at the hands of the Northern states before the Secession.
          Once you realize that Government is just a very large self-serving Gang, everything they do becomes very clear.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, everyone in California suffers at the hands of the two largest metropolitan areas in California…So Cal/Los Angeles and N Cal/San Francisco. The progressive Democrats kowtow to their masters, the enviro-wackos, anti-gun nuts, SEIU and the teachers unions and the illegal immigration lobby.

            Their is no prevalent industry anymore and the worlds largest agricultural producers are suffering at the hands of the environmental extremists…despite the drought conditions, our own favorite political hacks of Pelosi, Feinstien and Boxer won’t do anything at the federal level to legislate the release of water from the delta(Delta smelt) or save the snow runoff headed to the ocean for the benefit of California or Californians.

            The ultra-progressive legislating body in Sacramento is but one seat short of a super majority and we good Californians are fighting for our very existence.

  • vongoh

    And there you have it.

    Great article. Just about perfectly sums things up, thanks

  • ibn insha

    What is your obsession with 1%? Did the 1% steal? If not, leave them alone. You sound just like Progressives. Where government chooses winners and losers the 1% are just trying to be the winners in an extremely corrupt dog eat dog world. They are forced to collaborate with government or see their wealth dwindle either by taxes, cost of doing business and devaluation of currency. 50% of the population is net taker and they ignore government’s all transgressions in return for free goodies. As you go up the food chain of wealth the wealthy are the net givers. Take government out of the equation, where government redistributes income by force, and you will not find much corruption and wealth is distributed by natural means of hard work for better returns.

  • WTS/JAY

    ATTACK! – U.S. Bombards Syria with Over 200 ‘Ambivalent Patriot’ Missiles!

    (DAMASCUS) —Less than two days after Secretary of State John Kerry announced that the U.S. had agreed to a Russian plan to force Syria to give up its chemical weapons and thus avert a military strike, the White House began bombarding the Assad regime with none other than its most feared weapon of irresolution –the ATG Ambivalent Patriot Missile 3000!

    Launched from the United States’ imposing warships, the U.S.S. Nuance, U.S.S. Ambiguity and the U.S.S. Libra, the missile “strikes” are being decried by the Assad regime as a blatant and unprovoked “stab in the back” during a time when a peace deal is uderway.

    Said an enraged Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem to reporters in Moscow, early Monday morning, “This is an outrage! The launching of these Ambivalent Patriot Missiles by the U.S. against (Syria) proves that it cannot be trusted even when it says it will agree to a peaceful resolution! This is a stab in the back not only to Syria but all those who favor peace! Thousands of our citizens stand to be possibly harmed, or maybe not, or at least have their feelings hurt by these horrible weapons of incompetence!”

    http://www.duhprogressive.com/index.php/376#sthash.pN3n7MZl.dpuf

    • KG

      That link gave my puter a virus. Since I have the best virus protection on earth, it detected it an deleted it before it did anything.

      Please, be more careful about what links you put up.

      • WTS/JAY

        You’re full of it, KG!!! I just clicked on it, and no problem. You’re just trying to discourage anyone from viewing it, because it makes your messiah look like a freaking coward!!!

        • KG
          • WTS/JAY

            My link works fine!

          • Deerinwater

            Mine does as well ~ but that does not mean something didn’t get through and could offer problems later.

            Just saying, ~ you never know for certain ~

          • WTS/JAY

            AVG, huh? Well that explains it. One of the most retarded anti-virus programs ever made!

          • KG

            I guess you use Norton? Ya know, Norton has backdoors put-in at the request of both the FBI and CIA as well as the NSA. Unless you use the hard-drive destroyer McCaffey. That one has back doors as well. AVG is made by Europeans who know what freedom means.

          • WTS/JAY

            Norton? Just as useless! Go by yourself a MAC, and end all the nonsense!

        • Average_Joe56

          Unfortunately, the link is giving me a rash as well. It says there is a virus, but it automatically catches the virus and refuses to enter the site.

          • WTS/JAY

            What anti-virus program are you using?

          • Average_Joe56

            Avast Pro Antivirus

          • WTS/JAY

            All i can say, Joe, is that i used to use Windows and all the freaking anti-virus programs from A to Z, to no avail. My system was always chugging and in constant need of updates upon updates, upon updates; not to mention purchasing latest versions and renewing subscriptions. Waste of money and time! Finally had enough. I threw my PC in the garbage and purchased a MAC. Its been 5 years, not one problem!

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        L I A R !!!

    • TML

      Not a very credible source, and nothing of the story is coming from anywhere else that I can find, and the article curiously gives no links to sources, in addition to being plagued by poor spelling and grammar.

      • WTS/JAY

        Media black-out?

      • WTS/JAY

        Yeah, you might be right, TML. I think its a dud. Whoopsy…:)

  • WTS/JAY

    The Man In Charge Of The NSA Modeled His Office After The Bridge Of The Starship Enterprise

    Privacy: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the NSA, as it enters every computer and pries whatever data can be stolen and recorded in perpetuity. Its ongoing mission: to explore the internet and all TCP/IP packets, to seek out new emails, phone records, backdoors, webcams and bank accounts, to boldly go where no man with or without a search warrant has gone before.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-15/man-charge-nsa-modeled-his-office-bridge-starship-enterprise

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      I know what you mean by privacy. Here is an article that tells how Obama bin Laden Care will make a big deal about your sex life.
      http://www.nypost.com/2013/09/15/obamacare-will-question-your-sex-life/
      Is it because he doesn’t really have one? Never knowing to be with Michelle or some closet gay lover? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “History is God’s providence in human affairs.”
      Daniel Webster
      American statesman
      “Defender of the Constitution”
      Devout Christian

      • smilee

        Lies lies and more lies which you have become so famous for, Obamacare only deals with insurance coverage’s of the your private insurance companies and does not get involved in your personal care as you liars want us to believe It is shameful what you say!! Your pathetic in how you portray the Obama’s and others. Do you think Jesus would approve of your behavior?? I do not think so!!

        Read this

        Obamacare
        Myths

        Falsehoods
        about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling — and the intensity of the
        claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

        September
        16, 2013

        Summary

        We’ve
        been batting down bogus claims about the Affordable Care Act for years, since 2009, when legislation was still in the debate stage. But they’ve been increasing in intensity in recent months as we approach Oct. 1, the date the
        insurance exchanges will be open for business for those buying their own insurance, mainly with the help of federal subsidies.

        So, more than three years after our last health-care-whoppers piece (published just before the law was signed in 2010), we’re giving readers a rundown of the top
        claims.

        Some have been around for years, and others are relatively new. Most touch on three topics: jobs, premium costs and medical care. For instance:

        Republicans have made the overblown claim that the law is a job-killer, but experts predict a small impact on mainly low-wage jobs. The Republican National Committee says 8.2 million part-timers can’t find full-time work “partly”
        due to the law. That’s the total number of part-time workers who want full-time jobs, and there’s no evidence from official jobs figures that the law has had an impact.

        Proponents say premiums will go down, while opponents say they’ll go up. In general, employer plans won’t be affected much, and a price change for individuals seeking their own insurance will vary from person to person. Obama claimed
        that all of the uninsured would see lower premiums than what they could get now (before accounting for federal subsidies), but that’s not the case.

        Critics continue to make scary claims about the government coming between you and your doctor, but the law doesn’t set up a government-run system. If anything, the law comes between you and your insurance company, forbidding them from capping your coverage or charging you more based on health status.Meanwhile, Obama can’t promise you can keep your plan. Employers are free to switch coverage, just as they were before.

        And there’s more. Since 2010, we’ve been debunking the persistent claim that members of Congress are somehow exempt from the law. They’re not. The administration’s recent decision to give exchanges leeway in how they verify
        suspect applications for subsidies sparked the false claim that Americans can list what they’d like for their incomes and won’t face verification.

        Beyond these more reasonable topics, we’ve seen our share of far-fetched viral messages about microchips being implanted in patients and forced home inspections by the government. Rest assured. Neither is true.

        Note:
        This is a summary only. The full article with analysis, images and citations may be viewed on our website .

  • WTS/JAY

    To all the posters here, please click on this link and prove KG to be a BIG, fat liar!!! http://www.duhprogressive.com/index.php/376

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      I did. It’s OK.

      • WTS/JAY

        Thank you, Alondra!

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          We know, Devil at work.

          • WTS/JAY

            Beware of Satan quoting Scriptures!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yep, “the demons believe (in God)—and tremble!” (James 2)

            “WICKEDNESS PROCEEDS FROM THE WICKED.”
            – I Samuel 24:13

            “For out of the heart come/proceed evil thoughts…” – Jesus Christ (Matt. 15:19)

            “when He stepped out on the land, there met Him a certain man from the city who had demons for a long time. And he wore no clothes … 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, ‘What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!’” (Luke 8:27)

            How do you think, Jay, wasn’t that KG?

            I hope you remember theFIRST Satan’s lie (in the garden of Eden). Since then he NEVER stopped to lie and deceit the fools. We know that “HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            True that! True that! We also know:
            The fool hath said there is no God within his own heart.
            Psalms 14:1
            Psalms 53:1
            Here are 2 articles about Islam in Syria and America.
            http://www.freedomoutpost/2013/09/florida-man-to-be-disciplined-for-facebook-post-about-islam/
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/syrian-rebels-christian-woman-slitting-fiances-throat-jesus-didnt-come-save/
            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            No Samurai, KG knows that there is the GOD Almighty – the Creator, and that there are those who want to be god. And he is worshiping to one who wants to be god.

          • WTS/JAY

            He’s a sly one, Alondra!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Just for those who doesn’t know God.

          • WTS/JAY

            Ah, good point! He would deceive even the elect, if it were possible.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You MUST remember that “He that is in us is GREATER, than he that is in the world.” (1Jn.4:4)

            And you guys say AMEN!

          • WTS/JAY

            Amen to that, Sister!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Amen! Amen! Amen! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            *하나님하고 나라를 위해서 means FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! in Korean.

          • Average_Joe56

            Amen!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yes, and we are warned by Jesus Christ Himself:
            “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. (Matthew 24:24,25)

          • WTS/JAY

            False christs= Libelars

  • WTS/JAY

    “Russia’s Turning Muslim, Says Mufti” is the startling headline in the Times of London today.

    Ravil Gaynutdin, head of the Council of Muftis of Russia, announced that Russia’s population of 144 million contains 23 million ethnic Muslims – and not, as the census indicates, 14.5 million, or, as the Orthodox Church estimates, nearer to 20 million. An estimated 3-4 million Muslims are migrants from former Soviet regions, including 2 million Azeris, 1 million Kazakhs, and several hundred thousand Uzbeks, Tajiks and Kyrgyz.

    Plus, Russians of Orthodox background are converting to Islam. (For one important case, see the story of Viacheslav Sergeevich Polosin. http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_polosin.htm ) The Orthodox church claims 80 million adherents, but observers say the real number is about half that, and falling.

    And more: while the Orthodox population is in demographic decline, the Muslim population is surging. Although the total Russian population dropped by 400,000 in the first half of 2005, it increased in 15 regions, such as the Muslim republics of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia. The birth rate is 1.8 children per woman in Dagestan, versus 1.3 for Russia as a whole. Male life expectancy is 68 in Dagestan, versus 58 for Russia.

    The Times observes that this growth in the Muslim population “has raised fears among Orthodox Church leaders and nationalists that Russia could eventually become a Muslim-majority nation.” Aleksei Malashenko, an expert on Islam, does not expect Russia to become “a Muslim society in several years, although maybe in half a century we’ll see something surprising.” (August 6, 2005)

    Feb. 28, 2006 update: Paul Goble, an expert on minorities in the former Soviet Union, agrees with the mufti:

    “Within most of our lifetimes the Russian Federation, assuming it stays within current borders, will be a Muslim country. That is it will have a Muslim majority and even before that the growing number of people of Muslim background in Russia will have a profound impact on Russian foreign policy.

    The assumption in Western Europe or the United States that Moscow is part of the European concert of powers is no longer valid. … The Muslim growth rate, since 1989, is between 40 and 50 percent, depending on ethnic groups. Most of that is in the Caucuses or from immigration from Central Asia or Azerbaijan.”

    read more: http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia

    • IsThisAmerica

      That is the muslims goal. World wide takeover. It is what they are doing. We can’t let them do this to us. Look what the mexicans are doing, they are invading and wanting the south west area back to Mexico. Yes invading, entering illegally. No one has the right to our country or our citizenship. They yell, protest, and demand and they don’t get thrown in jail or deported. They get protected. What ever happened to the Boston bomber? Did they let him go? If so, more protection for all the wrong people. We get the shaft every time we turn around. Laws are made now a days to be against us.

  • WTS/JAY

    Update: High School AP History Book Rewrites 2nd Amendment

    Guyer High School (and obviously several others) are complicit in attempting to condition students to interpret the 2nd Amendment in a clearly opposite manner in which it was intended. The 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th are also misinterpreted.

    This textbook, currently being used by Guyer High School, is attempting to redefine the Second Amendment to impressionable young minds. Parents, you must speak up and demand action. Investigate your child’s history book ASAP. Call your school and demand that revisionist history books like this are removed from the school district.

    Textbook version: “The people have a right to keep and bear arms in a state militia.”

    Actual 2nd Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Did you catch the sleight of hand?

    A militia is a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies. It’s a common man army of citizens, NOT soldiers. The citizens are called up in emergencies to protect the free State.

    The 2nd Amendment says that a militia is necessary to protect a free State, so in order to be able to have a militia, the citizens have a natural right to keep and bear arms and the government cannot infringe on that right.

    The textbook version implies that we’re only allowed to keep and bear arms if we’re in a State militia, a clear misrepresentation of the 2nd Amendment.

    read more: http://www.dailypaul.com/299365/high-school-ap-history-book-rewrites-the-2nd-amendment?from=lbp

    • KG

      But “…a well Regulated Militia” is an absolute statement meaning that in order for the people to keep and bear arms a ‘well regulated’ militia is necessary for the security of the state. Where is this ‘well regulated militia at today?

      • WTS/JAY

        KG: Where is this ‘well regulated militia at today?

        Glad you asked. List of U.S. Militia Groups….

        http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/list-of-u-s-militia-groups/

        • KG

          You do realize that according to the Constitution, the Militia falls under the command of the President. How many of the ‘pseudo’ militia groups will obey the President?

          Article. II.Section. 2.

          The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: You do realize that according to the Constitution, the Militia falls under the command of the President. How many of the ‘pseudo’ militia groups will obey the President?

            What President?

          • KG

            You just made my point.
            The next time you burn your crosses, try no to soil your white robe and hood.
            I just realized that your pic is the virgin boy rapist who claims to be the leader of the christians. Don’t tell that to your Southern Baptist friends because the Pope is the whore of Babylon to them.

          • WTS/JAY

            You had a point? Since when have you ever had a point, KG? The only point you’ve ever had, was your pointed head! You amuse me, KG…nothing more then that, sonny.

          • Bill

            Jay,
            Or maybe his tinfoil hat that he uses to hide his pointed head

          • deToqueville

            I thought YOU were the “whore of Babylon.” Your comments seem to eminate from the region.

          • Bill

            Kg,
            Your loyalty is to the hammer and sickle. Which has murdered more people in the last century than any other source. You are a joke

          • KG

            Do you give the roman salute to the Hakenkreuz and sing the Horst Wessel lied?

          • Average_Joe56

            ” How many of the ‘pseudo’ militia groups will obey the President?”
            That would depend on the President….and the orders given.
            Even in the regular Army….one is not obligated to follow Un-constitutional orders or commands.
            “I was just following orders” is not a valid excuse….and neither is being clueless…stop being clueless.

          • RonWillison

            The whole conversation is mute. The second was written to protect the FIRST. And in case you all hadn’t noticed the FIRST is under attack by our government. Just ask anybody that talks about secret govt. stuff the does not use the “My high up govt. sources wish to remain un-named due to the fact they are not authorized to Bla Bla Bla.”

          • independent thinker

            You might try reading and COMPREHENDING the quote you give. It clearly states the Militia is under the president’s command WHEN CALLED INTO SERVICE. That is the only time it is under his command if the militia has not been called up for service it is not under his command.

          • Bill

            Kg,
            So, we have a communist that quotes the bible now telling us about the constitution. You are very entertaining

          • KG

            A ‘forbidden word of the 90’s’ – Infotainment

            I am not a communist. I am a Trade Labor Union Craftsperson who deeply believes that Labor needs representation as well as Rich Elites – That there would be no rich elites if it were not for Labor. And, as such, deserves as much of the fruit of that labor as the owner does.

            Ephesians 6:5-9
            King James Version (KJV)
            5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
            6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
            7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
            8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
            9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

        • Deerinwater

          Regulated by whom ~ comes to mind ~ as you present this link Jay and who’s to determine what constitutes “well regulated” ?

          I’m not attempting to offer opposition ~ but more curious as to language and interpretation. How do you see it?

          Like States Rights to secession, ~ some say the language is not there to defend the right. Some say, ~ that the right varies among states.

      • WTS/JAY

        KG: But “…a well Regulated Militia” is an absolute statement meaning (that in order for the people to keep and bear arms) a ‘well regulated’ militia is necessary for the security of the state.

        You have that backwards. The 2nd Amendment says that; a militia is necessary to protect a free State, so in order to be able to have a militia, the citizens have a natural right to keep and bear arms and the government cannot infringe on that right.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          He has his own definitions on everything. He is reading from right to left.

      • Average_Joe56

        KG,

        Stop being stupid. Start with a basic English Grammar course. You know better…because we’ve all taught you better….and repeating your same fallacy …won’t change the truth.

        This is the second time in a week that I have had to correct you on this subject…try reading it…and learning it.

        “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

        The statement: “A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state,”
        is often misunderstood to mean that you need to be in a militia in order to own firearms. Well, point in-fact, every male of draft age who is of sound body and mind is considered a member of the “unorganized militia” according to the law, but that’s irrelevant, because the second statement:
        “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
        is the important part. This statement is the crux of the amendment and ensures that the individual right to bear arms is not infringed upon. Now, the way this sentence is constructed (in total), the right of the people allows for the well-regulated militia. The militia is a byproduct of the right to bear arms, not a prerequisite. Here is the grammatical break down from the prof:
        [ Copperud:] The words “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,” contrary to the interpretation cited in your letter of July 26, 1991, constitute a present participle, rather than a clause. It is used as an adjective, modifying ” militia,” which is followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject “the right,” verb “shall”). The right to keep and bear arms is asserted as essential for maintaining a militia.
        In reply to your numbered questions:
        [Schulman: (1) Can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep and bear arms solely to “a well-regulated militia”?;]
        [ Copperud:] (1) The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people.
        [Schulman: (2) Is “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” granted by the words of the Second Amendment, or does the Second Amendment assume a preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms, and merely state that such right “shall not be infringed”?;]
        [ Copperud:] (2) The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia.
        [Schulman: (3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well-regulated militia is, in fact, necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not existing, is the statement “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” null and void?;]
        [ Copperud:] (3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence.
        [Schulman: (4) Does the clause “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” grant a right to the government to place conditions on the “right of the people to keep and bear arms,” or is such right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence?;]
        [ Copperud:] (4) The right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional, as previously stated. It is invoked here specifically for the sake of the militia.
        [Schulman: (5) Which of the following does the phrase ” well-regulated militia” mean: “well-equipped,” “well-organized,” “well-drilled,” “well-educated,” or “subject to regulations of a superior authority”?]
        [ Copperud:] (5) The phrase means “subject to regulations of a superior authority”; this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian control over the military.
        [Schulman: If at all possible, I would ask you to take into account the changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written two-hundred years ago, but not to take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated.]
        [ Copperud:] To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: “Since a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.”
        [Schulman:] As a “scientific control” on this analysis, I would also appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second Amendment to the following sentence,
        “A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.”
        My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be,
        (1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence, and the way the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment’s sentence?; and
        (2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict “the right of the people to keep and read Books” only to “a well-educated electorate” – for example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?]
        [ Copperud:] (1) Your “scientific control” sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure.
        (2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation.
        Got it? Good.

        Roy Herman Copperud, a professor of journalism and an authority on the use of the English language.

        • WTS/JAY

          So simple a child could understand it, Joe! Of course, KG knows full well what it means. He’s just toying with you/us…sly dog that he is.

          • Average_Joe56

            Isn’t that just like a liberal?…Stupid brain….and a Smart A$$
            (seems that pimple on his A$$ really is a “Brain Tumor”).
            ;)

          • WTS/JAY

            LOL!!!

          • WTS/JAY

            You sure have a way with words, Joe! :)

          • Average_Joe56

            In high school, I was class clown…
            You’ve heard of “Stand-up Comedians”? I am the sit down version…I am a “Comodian”.
            ;)

          • WTS/JAY

            Good to see you’ve kept that jovial-spirit with you throughout your days and thus far, Joe. We need more of such, in this dismal and cheerless world. :)

          • Average_Joe56

            My one goal every morning, is to try to make at least one person per day, SMILE. ….and then pray that it is contagious and spreads across the globe.
            I haven’t failed yet.

            “Humor is mankind’s greatest blessing.”
            Mark Twain

          • WTS/JAY

            Ah yes, paying forward…or feeding the hungry, as it were?

          • Bill

            Good comments, Joe

          • Deerinwater

            Don’t let yesterday use up too much of today.
            Will Rogers

            Democrats never agree on anything, that’s why they’re Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans.
            Will Rogers

            Everything is funny, as long as it’s happening to somebody else.
            Will Rogers

            It isn’t what we don’t know that gives us trouble, it’s what we know that ain’t so.
            Will Rogers

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.
            Will Rogers

          • Deerinwater

            Some people never change ~

          • Average_Joe56

            Dear Deer,
            Says the guy who needs multiple personalities while posting… because his mind is in conflict with itself.

          • Deerinwater

            Pottie mouth! ~ I think there something on his chin.

          • Deerinwater

            Unnecessary personal attack, ~ to avoid addressing the question.

          • Average_Joe56

            Dear Deer,

            Question? Exactly what question did WTS/JAY ask?

            Check your meds…….

            I don’t have an issue with it…do you?

            Too bad, so sad….your bad.

        • Deerinwater

          Are you attacking his message or his grammar?

          I understood KG perfectly, ~ he is asking , “Where is our well regulated militia today?”

          And you have attempted to baffle us with Bull$hit rather then dazzle us with brilliance?

          Permit me to repeat KG’s question, “Where is our well regulate militia today?”

          • Average_Joe56

            Dear Deer,
            Grammar has rules…well defined rules. The rules are pointed out quite well in my above post.
            Are you having problems with English grammar as well?
            You too, should have paid attention in class.
            “Where is our well regulate (sic) militia today?”
            I’m glad you asked, they are everywhere.:
            http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm
            As for the rest of your silliness…not worthy of my time.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        The well regulated militai are all men from 18 – 45 that own firearms, trained on them, and they assist the army in times of invasion or anytime our country in intact. That was easy. Got anything harder? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son; that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.”
        John 3:16
        Jesus Christ

      • Stuart Shepherd

        In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court considered the matter in United States v. Miller. 307 U.S. 174. The Court adopted a collective rights approach
        in this case, determining that Congress could regulate a sawed-off
        shotgun that had moved in interstate commerce under the National
        Firearms Act of 1934 because the evidence did not suggest that the
        shotgun “has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or
        efficiency of a well regulated milita . . . .” The Court then explained
        that the Framers included the Second Amendment to ensure the
        effectiveness of the military.
        This precedent stood for nearly 70 years when in 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court revisited the issue in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller (07-290). The plaintiff in Heller
        challenged the constitutionality of the Washington D.C. handgun ban, a
        statute that had stood for 32 years. Many considered the statute the
        most stringent in the nation. In a 5-4 decision, the Court, meticulously
        detailing the history and tradition of the Second Amendment at the time
        of the Constitutional Convention, proclaimed that the Second Amendment
        established an individual right for U.S. citizens to possess firearms
        and struck down the D.C. handgun ban as violative of that right. The
        majority carved out Miller as an exception to the general rule
        that Americans may possess firearms, claiming that law-abiding citizens
        cannot use sawed-off shotguns for any law-abiding purchase.

      • Gib74

        EVERYONE who carries a weapon.

        • Deerinwater

          Why should I need a gun when you have one, I will try yours. ~ You believe that impossible?

          The point being, ~ just the possessing of a gun fails to address all problems but only a few. And can just as easily create as many problems as they solve.

          It’s the person that is behind the gun ~ who you must deal with.

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    I pray that the people wake up and see what is happening to our great country. Our government is getting to big and needs to be cut down to size . We want America back and we want JOBS so we can work and have a decant life.

    • Deerinwater

      If people want and job ~ all they need do is look around and fill a need. ~ Don’t wait for some wealth person to give you anything. Why should they?

      This foolish idea that tax breaks for the wealthy creates jobs ~ has been proven to be an totally absurd idea that was sold to you by people that make claims of being “Conservatives” ~

      It is a silly notion ~ to believe wealthy people are required or should be inclined to invest their earning into people that can’t work or think for themselves. ~ The GOP seems to believe that they can, will and should while the evidence of this fallacy is in! ~ They don’t and they won’t!

      Quit believing GOP lies! about money and job. ~ They will having you shining a rich man shoes with your tongue and boost of creating one more job.

  • Bill

    A good dose of free market capitalism would fix a world of problems

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    I think that the democrats have had control for over FOUR YEARS AND THAT IS OUR PROBLEM NOT THE REPUBLIMS BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    I SURE WAS BTTER OFF BACK THNEN.