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The Government’s War on Us

August 27, 2010 by  

The Government’s War on Us

In my Straight Talk column two weeks ago I gave you a baker’s dozen of websites I read every week. In response, a whole bunch of you gave me and our readers a long list of other websites that are worth checking out. Thanks! I’ve already added several of them to my “favorites” file. (If for some reason you missed that column, click here to read it. I think you’ll enjoy it — including a lot of the fireworks in the comments section.)

Yesterday I realized something I said in that piece wasn’t quite accurate. No, no, don’t get ahead of me. I’m not about to retract anything I said about any of my favorite columns or columnists. But in reading the last item on my recommended list I realized I wasn’t entirely fair in my description.

I said that Daily Wealth gives more genuinely valuable contrarian investment advice than any other website I know of. And they do it for free (if you don’t count all the ads you’ll receive) six times a week.

That’s still true. But what I should have added is that every once in a while you’ll get some political commentary that is so right-on-the-mark you’ll wish you had said it first. At least that’s how I felt last week, when I read “This Is Why There Are No Jobs in America” by my good friend Porter Stansberry.

I liked it so much that I got the publisher’s permission to share it with you today. Read it and see if you don’t agree. If you do, then check out www.dailywealth.com on your own. I think you’ll enjoy what you find. Now, here’s the piece that impressed me so much:

I’d like to make you a business offer…

Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can’t turn me down, as you’ll come to understand in a moment.

Here’s the deal. You’re going to start a business or expand the one you’ve got now. It doesn’t really matter what you do or what you’re going to do. I’ll partner with you no matter what business you’re in — as long as it’s legal.

But I can’t give you any capital — you have to come up with that on your own. I won’t give you any labor — that’s definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you’re allowed to operate your business. That’s my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I’m going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business each year. Half seems fair, doesn’t it? I think so. Of course, that’s half of your profits.

You’re also going to have to pay me about 12 percent of whatever you decide to pay your employees, because you’ve got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you’re my partner. It’s only "fair."

Now… after you’ve put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business, and after you’ve worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50 percent or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you’d like to cash out — to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" — some people never can afford to retire — is a different argument. As your partner, I’m happy for you to sell whenever you’d like… because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20 percent of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know… I know… you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That’s all true. But I’ve done my part, too. I’ve collected 50 percent of the profits each year. And I’ve always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20 percent slice of the business.

Oh… and one more thing…

Even after you’ve sold the business and paid all of my fees, I’d recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you’ve been retired for years, when you die, you’ll have to pay me 50 percent of whatever your estate is worth.

After all, I’ve got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don’t think it’s “fair” for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children.

All in all, if you’re a very successful entrepreneur … if you’re one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public … you’ll end up paying me more than 75 percent of your income over your life. Thanks so much.

I’m sure you’ll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me … but it doesn’t really matter how you feel about it, because if you ever try to stiff me — or cheat me on any of my fees or rules — I’ll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.

That’s how civil society is supposed to work, right? This is America, isn’t it?

That’s the offer America gives its entrepreneurs. And the idiots in Washington wonder why there are no new jobs.

And your editor returns. Well, that was something, wasn’t it? If any of you disagree with Porter’s arguments, I know you’ll be happy to tell me so below. I’ll be interested to see how some of my fervid critics (and I’m glad there are some of you out there, I really am) respond to his arguments.

In conclusion, let me mention two things. One, I saw an item in the news a few days ago that said Americans are fleeing the stock market in droves. In the first six months of this year, more than $33 billion was pulled out of stock mutual funds. That is, investors pulled $33 billion more dollars out of the market than they put in. That is a heck of a vote of “no confidence” in the Obama Administration’s efforts to fix our economy.

The second thing is that I promised the folks at Stansberry & Associates I’d give Porter’s monthly newsletter a plug, in return for them letting me reprint his rant. So here it is: To read more from Porter, sign up for his outstanding Investment Advisory. His latest issue — which covers the coming crisis brought on by the United States government — details exactly what he sees ahead and how to profit (and protect yourself). For details on how to gain immediate access to his report, click here.

If you think I ended this week on a downer I’m sorry, but next week will be worse. The working title of that column is “The Conspiracy that Is the Federal Reserve.” Stay tuned.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

— Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • DaveH

    Good one, Chip.

    • DaveH

      True story. 30 years ago, I wanted to start my own business. But the thought of having a not-so-silent partner with no skin in the game was too much to bear.

      • dan az

        Dave I wonder how many libs will post their thoughts?I have had my own business for about forty years and that pretty much somes up what I felt the whole time.

        • FreedomFighter

          Risk deserves full reward or full failure, not minimal reward and full failure. Incentive for risk is removed as reward for success dwindles. Incentive to succeed, Its why socialism/communisim ultimatley fails, both mute or remove personal motivators from society resulting in eventual social decay, unrest and eventual rebellion of citizens, history of 100 years of communist and socialist goverment systems clearly demonstrates.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Mike In MI

            Semper Fi, FreedomFighter – I’ve got a different reason why communism/socialism always fails, never succeeded and will never, under the best set of conditions they might postulate or excuses they care to give after they fail.
            God won’t bless it, help energize its growth or bring success to those who lead it or live submissively under it. They are on their own. Rest assured, if God hasn’t, doesn’t or won’t bless it, it will die from internal rot. How do you spot such a system?

            Proverbs is the Book of Wisdom. It says God estblished the world by wisdom. If something is to succeed it must fit within the framework of His Wisdom. Biblically,”knowledge” is information about something; “wisdom” is what to do with knowledge, how and when, in order to make something succeed. God will energize its growth from within if it fits His criteria to receive blessing.

            In Proverbs 1, you read about a father teaching his son about some of the people who will try to get him to “cast in your ‘lot’ with us”. ‘lot’ = (bal)lot; “we want your ballot with us, boy”. The Dad says that one of the ways the son can know a bad (unwise) bunch is that they will all throw their profits in one purse, pot, pool, slush fund. This bunch will have an undercurrent that isn’t obvious, but basically they can be characterized as a bunch of thieves and murderers.

            Well, one of the basic tenets of communism/socialism/whateverism is they’re taking all our profits and throwing them in one big pot and doling the bucks out to their buddies in crime. Meanwhile, Obama is turning the USA into a grandoise copy of Jennifer Granholm’s Michigan. Well, in order for anything to succeed it has to work within the framework of things God will bless (wisdom) and make grow from within. By now it should be obvious that Granholm is unwise – Michigan’s about dead. It also might be time to send Obama somewhere outside this world if he wants to try to make our nation fit his unwise model. His success is impossible. God’s agin’ ‘t. If the whole world became socialistic God would fold His hands and civilization would fall back into the Dark Ages (until another Martin Luther came along) or the Tribulation.

            Capitalism may not be fair but it is kind and generous to people who do things God’s way (whether they know it or not).

          • Richard Pawley

            What Mike and Mary say is both true. Additionally we lost a great deal of freedom when the Democratic president Wilson allowed the mostly then foreign owned Federal Reserve Bank to take over the Constitutional responsibilities of Congress as regards to money in 1913 (which necessitated the inauguration of the progressive income tax to pay them for the ‘service’). The dollar has lost over 95% of it value since then and it is only going to get worse. Those who do not read the Bible may not be aware that one of the prophecies in the last book, Revelation, speaks of a future world banking dictatorship run by a genius who proves to be the most evil man who has ever lived. This new system seems to be gold based and centered in the rebuilt Babylon. It also speaks of a time when it will take a days wage to buy a days food although it use terms unfamiliar to ordinary people, “…a measure of wheat for a denarii or three measures of barley for a denarii…” (in ancient times a days wage was a denarii for an ordinary worker and a measure of wheat was the amount of wheat needed for a days bread). First, of course, must come tremendous inflation, then a world wide financial collapse of all paper monies, economic chaos, probably much greater war, food shortages and in many places famine. I have come to the conclusion that this is what is going to happen and others much smarter than I have come to the same conclusion. Some think this will begin with the next two years but it could take a longer time to all play out. May God bless us all. Believers need to pray and everyone who wants to slow down the collapse of the USA needs to vote in November.

          • Mike In MI

            Thanks Richard – I (Mike in MI) appreciate the feedback and agree on your assessment of what God says about the world’s future. But, unless I skipped over it, I didn’t see anything about the diseases they are going to use to help depopulate the earth. They can try – and it will work – on those who rely on medicine for life support and disease maintenance in themselves. Those who don’t learn, NOW, how to get and stay healthy because of the great immune system God created in you and the power of “gifts of healings” (I Corinthians 12; 7-11; which is part of the spiritual panoply you get when you believe God raised Jesus from the dead and allow him to be your boss) are not going to be able to learn it all later. It’ll be too late.

            PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE DOWN IN WASHINGTON, DC AT THE “RESTORING HONOR” RALLY – COOL WEATHER, PEACEFUL AND CALM CROWDS OF FOLKS WHO LOVE GOD AND AMERICA. AND THAT GOD’S POWERFUL LOVING PROTECTION IS MIGHTILY IN EVIDENCE.

          • kate8

            Richard and Mike,

            I agree with what you say about Revelation. I have been studying Bible prophecy for many years now, and other prophecies, as well. I have studied what others have written, and have fervently prayed for understanding, as I feel that there is more to be revealed. I have recently had some breakthroughs that I have not found anywhere else (not to say isn’t our there) and I am still receiving information that I am very excited about.

            I do believe that we are in the last days. I also feel, as you do, about healing vs conventional medicine. Natural forms of healing has, for all my adult life, been a passion. I worked many years in this field, and have continued to expand my horizons into areas that are really quite astounding. I feel that vibrational and energetic healing will, at some point, be all that we are left with, and we need people who have understanding in this area. Those who continue to depend on cenventional medicine will find themselves in peril, on many levels.

            It is good that God is raising people such as yourselves. You will be especially needed when those who still think things are okay get their wake up calls.

            Godspeed.

          • TIME

            Hi Mike, Jeff, Dave, Kate, SC, and all,

            Just a few quick words about the 8 / 28 Rally,
            {It was a “Beautiful day” in all respects.}
            There were a lot of really super folks here, I have no count that would a 100% on target, but a strong guess is somewhere around 650,000 to around 800,000 Plus people.
            I know the US media is saying about, 250 – 300K, but, thats VERY LOW and not even close to the true numbers.

            On Friday when I got in I stayed with freieds who live in George Town so I got to bop about Friday PM, as well speak with friends from the locals all stated it was a total ZOO and they had not seen this many people since last year’s Tea Party rally.

            Folks we are having a massive impact on a lot of people who are just now waking up, So please keep up the Great work!
            Keep speaking with folks you meet and spreading the word!
            “WE CAN WIN back our COUNTRY” from these radical bone heads.

          • kate8

            TIME, Thanks for the report! I’ve been trying to find out how things went, but when I turned on news I didn’t hear anything.

            I’m so glad you went! Way to go!

            Yes, we need to keep focused on taking back our country!

            Godspeed!

          • Mike In MI

            TIME, good friend,

            As an admirer of your literary achievements on this salutary meeting place for good talk and fun, thanks for the update about 8/28. I figured if anybody would be making that scene it would be you. Wish I could have been there, but I was at a patriot’s picnic at a different site. But, I was praying for you and for God’s blessing on the “Honors” assembly – as were lots of others, too.

            Again, thanks for letting us know about what you saw – write more. You’re a great man and one to whom I would (do) pay heed.

        • Mary

          We have been a socialist country for years, but a lot of people don’t get it. Now is very clear.

      • hflashman

        As a small business owner, I’m not directly affected by much of what the Feds do. I’m more concerned about state and local affairs which affect the business. What I’m directly affected by from the Feds is the lack of oversight of the big guys running amok because of favored regulations, of the lack of oversight on products reaching me and being a concern they aren’t tainted or flawed, of the additional labor costs I incur by hiring fair versus some a-hole (usually a self righteous far Right winger) who evades taxes etc for undocumented labor without fear of punishment, and by the banks who can screw with my credit and credit lines because they paid off the past administration to get sweet heart legislation and regulations passed.

        I’m directly affected because my trucks have additional maintenance because the roads are becoming worse in both raffic and condition, and I wouild love to know the wealthy fat cats are going to pay a fair share of the costs of the past admin’s financial mismanagement instead of getting the free ride they’ve had the past 10 years.

        I would LOVE a public option for health care to get those leeching insurance companies off my back. That alone would increase my gros net by a significant margn allowing me to hire at the very least two more employees.

        And I would absolutely become enthusiastic about where this country was headed and be willing to take more of a risk if I knew that everything propsoed by Congress wasn’t going to torn apart and denied by the party of No…and that instead of saying “no” to the little guy like me and favor everything for the welthy and elite….they for once would begin to offer a counter solution other than returning to the past admin’s policies. (Egads..anyone who wants that is certifiably nuts).

        I place the blame on where we are today where it belongs..on the past admin and the GOP who shouted down and denigrated anything but favortism to graft and corruption…and I place the blame of why we can’t get out of the morass where it belongs..on the party of No, who offer no solutions but call for everything that will favor the wealthy entrenched elite and nail my hide to the wall suffering and paying for that welfare to the rich.

        • Ed

          Come on hflashman, you don’t REALLY own a small business do you. If you do and you don’t think you are affeaced by the feds, then you are still drinking the kool-aid, or else you just don’t think at all.

          • hflashman

            I do…and I dream of the not to distant future when I can proudly tell my friends I have to pay more taxes because I hit the 250 grand income levels and the temporary welfare given in 2001 ran out.

            I have 8 employees FT, 4 PT and one intern. All legal and I had no problem verifying citizenship before hiring.

          • TIME

            Ed,
            You nailed that one dead spot on!

          • DaveH

            I agree, Ed. I find it very hard to believe that somebody so ignorant could be running his own business.
            For instance, Flashman says “I wouild love to know the wealthy fat cats are going to pay a fair share of the costs of the past admin’s financial mismanagement instead of getting the free ride they’ve had the past 10 years”. When in fact 50% of the wage earners (below $33,000/year) pay only 3% of the income tax. Yet they get to vote equally to those “fat cats”, even though they have very little skin in the game:
            http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

          • DaveH

            Still more ignorance from Flashman “I would LOVE a public option for health care to get those leeching insurance companies off my back”.
            So Flashman would like the Federal Government to provide us insurance. We would go from having choices to having no choice. We would go from a private, voluntary insurance industry, which runs efficiently or fails, to a Government insurance company which is under no such constaints. And we all know how successfully government runs any business that it gets into.

          • Jim

            Oh Why am I not suprised by Hflash’s response. In fact I would have been disapointed if he hadn’t responded as he did. We have all come to expect his leftist rants here and to every article that appears. I have begun to believe that Hflash is in fact a plant by the administration in order to spout the company line. Nice work Hflash, you are a true and dedicated follower of General and president for life Idi Amin Obama. He rings the bell and like pavlofs dog you respond as he directs. We’re on to you, you naughty little devil.

          • Claire

            I have to go along with the Public Option. It should have been included in the health reform bill–I think it was in the beginning but they took it out to get it passed. Cheap shot.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H.; The private healthcare business gouged America by over 150% in about 5 years time and you call that efficiency? That was financial terrorism especially from their CEO’s. If someone like hflashman makes good money and has a different opinion you go and call him ignorant (at least it’s slightly better than the other fellow below who kept calling him a moron). It’s your way or the highway,right. But Dave, I thought you loved everybody who made big money no matter how they get it? Free Enterprise or bust,except for hflashman.

          • Cathy

            This person has a small business and he’s not generating $250K? With 8 FT employees, 4 PT and one intern? Why even bother?

            Of course he’s a libtard…I can tell by the blame game he plays…

          • Smilee

            hflashman says:
            August 27, 2010 at 10:14 am

            hflashman

            An honest businessman, testimony before committees in our state and house in our state legislature from small business men gave testimony stating the same as you have and even a few large business gave some of the same complaints epically about transportation problems as to bad roads and lack of enough roads so traffic delays prevented them from timely movement of their goods and services and causing excessive labor and repair costs, taxes in our high tax state did not concern them. Our beloved Governor, Mr. Pawlenty vetoed bills that would have made this better and is the real causes of Businesses not moving to MN, this all om the mouths of business men. The idiots on here don’t understand that and I am stating to wonder if they are paid writers hired by big businesses, Chip is hired to throw the red meat out and they are hired to wolf it down as they are told to. There is no doubt in my mind you are a business man.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Where do you get your figures? They can’t gouge anybody that doesn’t let them. I don’t and will never buy Health Insurance. It is a bet against the odds that you will suffer misfortune. I prefer to bet with the odds that I won’t suffer misfortune. I eat right and live right. That is my insurance. And if I suffer misfortune, I will not burden somebody else, like you Liberals do.
            So you think somehow the people in the Government would run the health insurance program more efficiently? Sure you do. But most of us know better.
            Eddie says “It’s your way or the highway,right”. Eddie, it’s you and your Liberal cohorts that are trying to force us to do things we don’t want to do. Not me.
            Eddie says “I thought you loved everybody who made big money no matter how they get it?”. As usual, Eddie, in his typical Liberal fashion is putting words in my mouth.
            I love Freedom. And I don’t mean Freedom to take the money of others against their will, like the Liberals do.
            It amazes me how the Liberals will dis the Rich who have earned their money legally and from voluntary purchasers, but then turn around and, through Government, forcibly take our money all the while thinking they have the moral highground.
            Yes, Eddie, I think you are ignorant also.

          • JeffH

            Ed, If flash had a business, why would he not take advantage of a little free PR for it and announce to us all the location and the business name itself. Unless, of course, you are right which is why I agree with you.

          • vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “The private healthcare business gouged America by over 150% in about 5 years time and you call that efficiency? ”

            And just how did they gouge anyone for any amount? The government on the other hand will clearly be gouging America by the simple act of putting a gun you your head and saying “Buy this product”.

          • eddie47d

            Vickie; Everyone needs health insurance and everyone gets sick in their lives. Not everyone has insurance because it costs too much or they are wealthy enough to pay upfront for everything. I purchased health insurance many years ago and it went up 150% about 4-5 years ago. No pre-existing conditions for either my wife or myself. I had many policies to choose from and they all went up. That’s gouging in my book. My wife hadn’t used the policy in 32 years but you know how we have to pay these CEO’s outrageous salaries. Choice to you must mean to do without or be ripped off by another party.

          • vicki

            Eddie47 writes:
            “Vickie; Everyone needs health insurance and everyone gets sick in their lives.”

            No one needs health insurance. People have gotten sick since the beginning of people. Some people can use health insurance, some can’t.

            SOME people need health care. We provide a wonderful system here in America for jsut that event. We call it “the emergency room”. Most every big hospital has one. We even provide transportation with pretty lights and loud noises. No insurance required. We (the people of the US) are just that nice.

            Eddie47:”I purchased health insurance many years ago and it went up 150% about 4-5 years ago. No pre-existing conditions for either my wife or myself. I had many policies to choose from and they all went up. That’s gouging in my book.”

            Gouging in your book does not make it real. Sounds good and evil though. “Those evil insurance companies are gouging me again.”

            Eddie47: “My wife hadn’t used the policy in 32 years but you know how we have to pay these CEO’s outrageous salaries.”

            You don’t have to pay them a dime. Nor does your wife. You CHOOSE to. Unlike Obamacare where government agents will come to you with guns and demand payment. Kinda looks like a protection racket to me. Didn’t they advertise themselves as being in the insurance business :)

            Eddie47: “Choice to you must mean to do without or be ripped off by another party.”

            Refuse to be a victim. Start your own health insurance company. Then you get to figure out why the CEO gets such a salary. (Hint: Supply/Demand)

            The blog here doesn’t allow multiple links so I can’t show Eddie47 the 267 MILLION google hits for “health insurance” but here is just 1 that can get quotes on a bunch of competing companies. So Eddie47 try google if you rather not start your own co-op.
            http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/healthinsurance/california2?allid=Goo25151&sid=040310-CA-04

        • CHEESEWI

          Hflash:
          You are truly a moron. Oh where to begin. That “partner” mentioned above is the Federal Government you moron. You stated that, “I’m not directly affected by much of what the Feds do, I’m more concerned about state and local affairs which affect the business” This article didn’t even get into what the State and local “partners” will do for you…Moron.

          I can go on and on about your response, but with moron’s like you there is no use. All I can say is get your facts straight. We are NOT the party of No as you mentioned so many times…. We are the party of HELL NO! You moron.

          • Conservative at Birth

            As I have stated previously, it is waste of time to read or respond to hflashman. He, obviously is totally ignorant or history and has no comprhension of economics.

        • Craig

          If by trucks, you mean semi-trucks, then you should know that it is the semi-trucks that are causing the condition of the roads to deteriorate. Me thinks you do not own a business, let alone know what you are talking about. You do regurgitate liberal talking points though, maybe that is you job.

          • DaveH

            The roads are deteriorating, but they are deteriorating because the Government (all levels, but especially the Federal level) is wasting our financial resources.
            For the Liberals to ignore the fact that Government has been steadily growing over the decades (no matter whether Democrats or Republicans), and therefore ignore the fact that it is creeping Socialism that is ruining our country, not lack of regulation, is, well, just plain ignorant.

          • Claire

            DaveH–All the states that took stimulus money–I thought some of this money was to go towards infrastructure–roads, etc.

          • Smilee

            Claire says:
            August 27, 2010 at 2:55 pm

            The money is going to infrastructure, you must not pay attention to all those signs saying so in the construction areas which are placed so you can not miss them if you are paying attention, I see them all over.

          • Claire

            Smilee–I haven’t been out of the state of Illinois for quite awhile. I do know there is a lot of road construction going on within Illinois. My son is with IDOT.

          • independant thinker

            I remember when the semi’s had signs on the back of their trailers saying they paid x amount of highway and fuel taxes (the numbers that come to mind are 1,500-2,500 dollars). At that time I worked for a state highway department and the most common remark about those signs was that the trucks did 10 times that much damage to the highways.

          • DaveH

            Yeah, Sleepee, Claire needs to pay attention to those vote-buying signs. Like this statement from a banner-ad on Ebay “If you owe less than $729,000 on your mortgage, you probably qualify for Obama’s Making Home Affordable Program”. So where did they get the money for that program – from Obama?
            No, from the taxpayers. But that won’t occur to the ignorant people that tend to vote for Thieving Democrats.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smelly,
            yeah, you are right. I read where there was about 30 million spent on signs alone. Such great use of taxpayers money!!!! You guys are always crying for the underpriveleged, I wonder how many low income housing units could have been built for those 30 million??? Or how many poverty stricken could have had good dental care, glasses? Health care? Food and heat this winter? Clothes? give me a break!!!

          • DaveH

            You’re right, Joe, they don’t really care about those people. They are simply buying votes.
            With Liberals, you can’t trust their words, so you have to read between the lines. You are obviously a good reader.

          • Claire

            I have enough sense to realize what is going on with “signs” that are posted. I am talking about road construction–”Road Construction Ahead” “Left Lane Closed”–and there are a lot of workers present. In some places they work during the night. The other signs regarding loans, etc. are nothing but a bunch of garbage.

        • tg7357

          ‘Not directly affected by what the Feds do’? Are you kidding or what? What planet is your little business on, flashman? Mars? Jupiter? There is NOTHING on this Earth, and particularly in the good old US of A that the Feds DON’T have their fingers into, onto or taking out a lease on, and that includes your business. If you pay taxes, then Uncle Sugar is your boss, guardian angel, demonic in-law, and executioner. I cannot believe you are that naieve, or that clueless. Either that, your business is illegal and if it is, I’d be careful writing glowing reports about it on these posts!!! The walls not only haveears, they also employ spy satellites!!!!!

          • kate8

            tg, re: flash, how is one who owns that level of a business able to spend hours every day ranting on conservatice blog sites.

            Having been in small business, I know that the intrusion by government is stifling. I also have many friends who are going under, in part because of the suffocating regulations they now have to meet under this administration.

            I don’t find anything flash ever says very credible. His vast level of ignorance on all fronts betrays him.

          • eddie47d

            Kate8, Are you saying only old retired farts and the unemployed can blog? That would be a very small cross section of this country and not reflective of this country.

          • kate8

            No, eddie. I’m saying that people who run businesses like flash indicated, have far more things to think about and do than sit and blog ALL DAY. EVERY DAY.

            Doesn’t add up.

          • JeffH

            kate8, leave it to a liberal to try to put words in yout mouth, least of all one less creditable than flash, if that’s possible.

          • eddie47d

            Jeffy poo; Do you have that broken record on speed dial?blah,blah,blah

          • SLJohnson

            I run a small, very small business. I publish games for the PC/MAC (only one so far, but this is only our first year). I say that to solidify MY authenticity.
            Now here is my point: I myself barely find enough time to blog, even with just 3 PT employees. Yes, I said very small, and now you can see why.
            Fear not, friends, country men/women.
            The liberals are losing ground. They are in their death throes. And like an animal that has been backed into a corner, they will fight to the bitter end. However, one doesn’t fight so sloppily unless they are afraid. And one knows not fear if they do not doubt their own beliefs, because if they had true conviction, they would never doubt and therefore they would see no reason to defend that which is obviously true in their minds… In other words, deep down, even liberals think they are liars.
            Also, they should pay more attention to their spelling. It only hurts their credibility.

          • kate8

            SL Johnson, You have a point. Most of these libs don’t have the intelligence and/or the education to know how to run a business.

        • Dogswife

          hflashman: I don’t believe that you’re a small business owner. I absolutely can’t believe that you are a citizen of the United States of America. We believe in a capatalist society, not a society of leeches. The reason why the roads are in disrepair is because the government misuses the money that it strongarms from the people. The reason why our economy is in such tatters is because the government is bought by big names and lobbyists. If the government would get out of the system, we would have competition. We would be able to choose whether or not to patronize certain businesses. The bad ones would go out and the good ones would continue to do business. Just wait until the system you tout goes into place. You and no one else will have any incentive to work. Why work when you can do nothing and still get a check from the government off of the back of another person? Eventually they will run out of money because they not only give it to the lazy who don’t work but they spend our money so lavishly on themselves. I’ll wait to see your response in 20 years when our country no longer exists as we know it and we are total slaves to the government. Haven’t you ever heard the phrase “I sold my soul to the company store.” The government is the company store and we will have no choice but to hand our money over to it and never be allowed to leave.

          • DaveH

            Well said, Dogswife.
            I suspect that Flashman is lying about having his own business. My guess is that he works for the Government.

          • kate8

            DaveH, If flash works for the government, then either he is wasting our money by sitting all day playing on his computer, or he is part of a “community organization” and his job IS harrassing blogsites.

            Oh wait, that is STILL wasting our money.

          • eddie47d

            dogswife; Those corporations and businesses that you mention are the ones who hire the lobbyists. Those corporations gouge America so wouldn’t they be the leeches?

          • DaveH

            They couldn’t do that without Big Government aiding and abetting them. And you Ignorant Liberals want to make it even bigger.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, the liberals never be able to will figure it out.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff H. But we do have you figured out!

          • Dogswife

            eddie47d: If those corporations were not able to bribe legislators via lobbyists, they wouldn’t be able to manipulate law to their advantage. As far as SS is concerned, it is and will be a monumental task, but no person should be forced to pay in for another person. People need to have their taxes cut and start saving and their grown children need to be more responsible for the elderly. My husbands parents both stayed at home and were cared for by their children until they died. The mother had dememtia. Their parents had savings, health insurance and a paid for home. They planned and so should everyone else.

        • http://jktthree@yahoo.com JKellyT

          One of the things I remember as a child is my mother telling me,”Wake up and smell the roses.” I think that is something that we all need to do.

        • Macbar

          So, hflashman … let’s see, you run your own business and are HAPPY to be able to pay more taxes to the Federal government so that all of those undocumented workers that the “fat cats” employ can have a public option! If you’re a small business man, I’m a 767 jet pilot. It’s exactly that kind of circular thinking that both exposes you liberals for what you are and creates 90% of the problems that this country now faces. Along that same vein, do you think that George Soros is a “fat cat”? He giggles every time he reads one of the posts from mindless followers like you.

          Go back to Russia ya fake!

        • Angel Wannabe

          hflashman, Fat cat, fat cat, fat cat___is that the only word you know?__ You sound like a classic case, of Class Envy___You can be a Fat cat too___put in the hours___hire the workers___pay 45-50% to the Fed, healthcare, overhead__ and work your ass off 16-18 hours a day with little or NO incentives.___The difference between a small business owner, and a so called Fat Cat, is the Fat Cat has more money left at the end of the month than the small business, inturn the Fat Cat, pays a good CPA who knows all the legal loopholes in around our tax base.__I was a small buisness owner as well,back in the 80′s until I lost everything in a fire. I thought seriously last year of starting again, but the thought of paying the Fed 30% and or above, for a water color and/or oil on canvas pictures I paint?__They can kiss my azz, I’ll give them away first, I’ll paint for me and GOD___not the Fed!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          hflashman__if your a businessman, I’m atilla the hun!!!__Blame Bush!!!Get some other material will ya flash, your show sucks, ya just can’t use old wornout material!!!___ you libs have abused it enough. It didn’t work before and blaming bush isn’t gonna change a damn thing now___Each admin had it’s problems, since your such a MR know it all__ how’s about you running for office, or better yet just beat feet outta here, cuz your a bore!

        • ricardo maxwell

          Seriously, hflash, you could have tried to make your story sound a little more believable. Tell your puppetmaster that he needs to hire more qualified propagandists instead of radical ideologues.

        • Hi Desert ED

          hflashman – - -YOU’RE BUSTED!
          Anyone legitimately involved in trucking (real trucking not some fly by night with a box truck) is aware on a daily basis of the amount of FEDERAL regulation applying only to the trucking industry. I’m speaking of everything from the amount of record keeping required to document compliance (everything from hours of service to maintenance logs on equipment to tariff compliance) to the frequency of inspections and maintenance and the certifications required to be maintained.
          For general information. Most of you aren’t aware of the content of the book of federal regulations that every commercially licensed driver has to know and abide by. It is almost 2 inches thick and printed in closely set 8 and 10 point type.
          On top of this each state has their own specific regulations that need to be followed while you are in their jurisdiction. Everything from split speed limits to where you can park during your rest periods. A lot of states have 8 hour parking restrictions while the federal law requires a 10 hour off duty period.

        • LocalYokel

          If old “blame game” is keeping you from stepping up to the plate with any form of plan for national, local or state improvement, discard it along with your false pride and profess your ingenuity before your eager audience. Your party of choice has miserably failed to produce anything that can withstand the trials of parasites hungrily waiting at government trough or screening demanded by a more astute public. When blind pride of a majority with a silver tongued leader railroads the ideology of appointed czars consider that the only power of the minority in congress is to trumpet the ignorance of bullheaded incumbents continuing to railroad legislative destructive on all future generations rather than enforce the common sense necessary for your survival. What is truly shameful is the total lack of support by mass media for the only positive attempts in congress by the “party of whoa” to slow down the donkey pulling the destruction that you so clearly support.
          “Did you forget to use the term “moving forward” without even a vague attempt to describe the intended destination or the guaranteed failure? Or perhaps you would care to extend your own plan of a glorious future for yourself and get laughed out of the blog. Perhaps with a little diversification and some shoe polish you could apply for some of the $1.2 billion being uncovered in the USDA give away delivered in the senate by a junior from Illinois. With your attitude you may even qualify with a tan or oxblood profile. You could even rest your futile exercise when you get paid for your vote.

        • John Woodbury

          JFC the first words out of a libtards mouth is Bush’s spent all that money, so like that means your commie buddies can spend and tax even more? ”net gross” what type of bullsh*& term is that? You do not own a business. So go ahead, rant all the f*&^ing liberal Dumbocrats talking points you want, oh by the way take ”your fair share” and stuff it up your a$$. Sorry but I am really peeved at dumb liberals who threaten our country and our way of life, (and this is the cleaned version) can not Google Fannie May and Freddy Mac, and Bush’s tries to fix, and offers their same old failed policies and lies. Maybe you should post at PMSBC, their readers are not educated and believe any commie crap you write. And God forbid if you should support any of your craziness with facts, or like Rham likes to say “What are facts, just useless pieces of information that get in the way of the truth.” FAHPOSLB rot in Hades.

        • Mike In MI

          FLASH’N TH’PANMAN – You are SOO-O-O-O-o-o-.-.-. gullible.

          What’s worse is you think we are, too. You’re paying out $138,00 at least in wages paying your 8 FT people minimum wage plus employment taxes. Plus, maybe, another quarter of that much to PT workers. I doubt your personal salary is a big goose egg. Legitimate businesses require some kind(s) of insurance. Equipment? Office or business space (even home or apartment with utilities, water, maintenance, etc. costs a bundle in liberal MN)? Transportation? Local and state taxes, licenses, fees? Now, tell us, do you really have a business requiring that much help with no other overhead?

          And you say you’re about to break $250,000? What is this business – hiring illegals to sell dope? Or are your employees all women working the corners and streets downtown? Well, you are a liberal, so we have to consider the possibility. (No wonder you need the Public Option…or is it Pubic Option?

        • Al Sieber

          hflashman, you can’t live in your dad’s basement forever chugging down RC colas,and stuffing you’re face with “Moon Pies”, you need to get out in the real world and smell the “Facism”.

        • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

          hflashman

          To think the FED doesn’t effect you much is the largest mistake one could make. There a video on google called the Secret of Oz (and many others I’m sure) that can tell you what I can;t in this forum. (I’m recommending this video only for the historical impact the FED (and those that created it have on this country… I’m not for or against at this point the “fix” for the problem.. that need more study)

          Other wise the things that bother you surely are the same things that are bothering many others on this forum. However using “Right Wing Ass” to define our many countrymen who share a great majority of the same concerns doesn’t help. I do how ever wish both sides of the political spectrum come to as full of a realization that their own favorite political party is as screwed up and anti american (meaning we the working/non-elite class) as the “enemy” party. It’s all a shell game which far too many people are still blind to. (though they’ll swear they know what’s going on and I’m either a conspiracy theorist (left wingers call me that) or I’m a godless commie sympathizer (right wingers) Thank god many of my brothers and sisters are awakening to illusion both sides of the table have been operating under for decades if not centuries.

        • Lubo

          hflashman….You a business owner??…balony! How can you operate and professionally manage a business while typing on a BLOG all day? I am a retired business man and I can assure you I did not have time to participate on a blog while managing my business.

          Business owner! Get out of here, your business is BLOGS. The question would be, who is paying you?

      • http://none Karl Larsen

        Mr Porters paper provides food for thought but it has tons of data that can’t be verified! I do not get excited if the critical numbers can be proven, but alas this can not be done. In a couple of years we will know for sure.

        But such an idea where 1/2 your profit is taken, NO small starting out business could survive such a thing.

        • hflashman

          That 50% item is a lie…it’s closer to 35%. 50% when you add in state and local taxes and fees. It would be MUCH lower if the big guys and the employers of undcoumented labor were forced to play under the same rules.

          • Commonsense

            I own a small automotive repair shop, and I don’t know where you are living, chief, but at the end of the year, it is %45-%50 just in fed. Local and state are minimal. Maybe you need to be audited just to make sure you’re paying your fair share. Having some IRS thugs come to your place of work or home would be just a blast to you, I’m sure.

          • Bob

            Some states don’t have sales tax and some don’t have a state income tax.

          • DaveH

            Okay, let’s put some reality into this discussion. Government at all levels spends 37% of our Gross Domestic Product. Not 50%, but still a lions share of our income. How many of us would voluntarily pay 37% of our income for the services that the Government offers? Not me.
            Hong Kong gets by on Government spending of 15% of their GDP. And Hong Kong has a robust economy. Why is that? Are they nicer than us? They don’t need so much oversight? Probably they are just smarter than us (at least smarter than our Liberals).

          • libertytrain

            Bob – a very quick look shows there are 7 states without income tax and seems like from what I can tell they make up for it with almost excessive sales taxes. Have a Google and see what you find. Also there appear to be two states that have neither personal income tax or sales tax: Alaska and New Hampshire. I didn’t check to see how recent this info was -

          • DaveH

            Liberty,
            Here is a pretty good article on state by state taxes:
            http://retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.html

          • DaveH

            Here is a side of the undocumented worker story that few people are exposed to:
            http://reason.org/news/show/122411.html

            Although I certainly don’t condone illegal entry into this country, the illegal aliens aren’t the cause of our economic decay. Big Government is the cause of our economic decay.

          • Claire

            The politicians in government have always had bigger ideas than “our” wallets. It is so easy to spend someone else’s money.

          • Claire

            Yesterday I heard on the news that Springfield, Illinois was #4 in the category of being one of the best cities to live in regarding the cost of homes, taxes, etc.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – thanks -

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. Wow,I’m impressed by you having the courage to post that web site on immigration (reason.org). Immigration is a problem but that takes a little steam out of those who claim these people are “stealing” from us.

          • Smilee

            Commonsense says:
            August 27, 2010 at 10:58 am

            Businesses that are S-Corps, LLC’s or Partnerships pay no income taxes at all they file what is commonly referred to a pass through income tax form which determines what portion of the profits the owners must declare on their personal income tax forms usually form 1040 and is the equivalent of wages or dividends. How do I know I file one every year and the business never has to pay income taxes, but to hear conservatives say it we are raising income taxes on small businesses when in fact there is no such tax. So much of conservative rhetoric is misleading or outright false, but many on here don’t get that.

          • DaveH

            You actually read the article, Eddie? There may be hope for you yet.

          • vicki

            Smilee says:
            “Businesses that are S-Corps, LLC’s or Partnerships pay no income taxes at all they file what is commonly referred to a pass through income tax form which determines what portion of the profits the owners must declare on their personal income tax forms usually form 1040 and is the equivalent of wages or dividends. How do I know I file one every year and the business never has to pay income taxes, but to hear conservatives say it we are raising income taxes on small businesses when in fact there is no such tax. So much of conservative rhetoric is misleading or outright false, but many on here don’t get that.”

            So let me see. The business makes a profit. That profit goes to the “partners” The partners have to split their profit with the “partner government”

            If the business had to pay tax on the profit before paying the partners then the government partner would have gotten 35% of the profit from the business and then 35% from each of the partners for a total of 35% of the profit.

            A difference that makes no difference is no difference. The business had to pay income tax.

          • DaveH

            Smilee says “Businesses that are S-Corps, LLC’s or Partnerships pay no income taxes at all”. Then later in the same comment, Smilee says “but to hear conservatives say it we are raising income taxes on small businesses when in fact there is no such tax. So much of conservative rhetoric is misleading or outright false, but many on here don’t get that”.
            Typical Liberal equivocation. There are several types of entities that a business (big or small) may choose to operate as. Sleepee chose to mention only the ones that don’t pay income taxes as a separate entitie (but as Vicki pointed out their profits are still taxed at the personal level).

          • http://?? Joe H.

            commonsense,
            It may not be a blast to him to have them visit him, but it sure would entertain me if they visited him. Especially if they sold popcorn!!!! Gimme a comfortable lawnchair close by, a cold coke and a bag of popcorn and it would be better than a night at the movies watching a premiere!!!!

          • Smilee

            vicki says:
            August 27, 2010 at 9:55 pm

            So let me see. The business makes a profit. That profit goes to the “partners” The partners have to split their profit with the “partner government”

            If the business had to pay tax on the profit before paying the partners then the government partner would have gotten 35% of the profit from the business and then 35% from each of the partners for a total of 35% of the profit.

            A difference that makes no difference is no difference. The business had to pay income tax.

            ______________________________________________________
            You have a complete misunderstanding of these type of business tax law!!

            There is a big difference with business profits and the money the owners receive in either wages or dividends as personal income or both. If they pay themselves wages that is deductible for their business like any employee of theirs who is not an owner and any other monies they draw from their company become personnel income and is not profit any profit not passed on as personnel income to the owners is not taxed, if those portions of the profit are used to expand or maintain the business and then it is not taxed. The business pays no tax and the tax form the business is required to file only determines the portion of the profits that is the personal income of the owners and is not different than any income a non owner person gets and is taxed in the identical manner, what your trying to do is create a special tax break for small business owners over and above what these type of business get as opposed to other type of businesses and this is why they create this type of business for themselves to lower their taxes and liabilities and many out there are spinning this reality to create the illusion they will have to pay more taxes than non business people and this is not true, they actually have an tax advantage witch you ignore and that is why they are in fact very different.

          • Smilee

            DaveH says:
            August 28, 2010 at 11:43 am

            Smilee says “Businesses that are S-Corps, LLC’s or Partnerships pay no income taxes at all”. Then later in the same comment, Smilee says “but to hear conservatives say it we are raising income taxes on small businesses when in fact there is no such tax. So much of conservative rhetoric is misleading or outright false, but many on here don’t get that”.
            Typical Liberal equivocation. There are several types of entities that a business (big or small) may choose to operate as. Sleepee chose to mention only the ones that don’t pay income taxes as a separate entitie (but as Vicki pointed out their profits are still taxed at the personal level).

            ____________________________________________________________

            Davie

            The truth I state is neither liberal or conservative it is simply the truth and then factual and you in fact admit that about the type of businesses I addressed and then you go into spin mode and attempt to crate the illusion that the money they receive from these companies is profit when in fact it is personal income they have received as either earned or unearned income despite it is not the profit of the business and these income these owners receive are identical for tax purposes for any income anyone receives weather earned or unearned even if they are none business owners, your spin creates the illusion that they are unfairly taxed as opposed to others when in fact they probably are at an advantage and anyone who understand this tax law knows full well so you are either ignorant of it or have an agenda that wants to crate this illusion for reasons you have failed to disclose to this conversation, but thanks for admitting these business pay no taxes themselves.

          • Vicki

            I don’t think Smilee knows tax law anywhere near as well as he/she thinks.

            “Just as the IRS taxes individuals’ income, such as income from a job, it also taxes the income a business brings in. And, in the same way that an individual can lower her taxable income through credits and deductions, so can a small business.”
            http://www.inc.com/articles/2002/02/18957.html
            Note the IRS does not care about “profit” just income. Gross income to be precise. What is left after the IRS is thru is what business might consider “profit”.

            Now just like personal income there are “deductions”

            But the more important point is that business NEVER pays the tax in the end. The CUSTOMER ALWAYS pays. If the tax is lower for any reason the business does not have to charge as much for the product. Competition is what forces a business to lower their “profit” by lowering their prices. Smart competition looks for the price/volume/availability sweet spot.

          • Smilee

            Vicki says:
            August 30, 2010 at 1:37 pm

            Well for your information I have filed the business tax forms for my business since 1992 (17 years) and my individual tax forms every year since 1962 (48 years) myself as well as individual tax forms for many others so I very well understand income taxes. It is you who does not understand them. The url you reference and its article does not deal with S-Corp, LLC. Partnerships etc. which has their own tax form different from other business and these business as a business is exempt from paying income taxes but the personal individual income received by the owner for personal use aside from any wages he may pay himself is determined by this tax form and must like any other income be included on his individual income and it is not business income or profit in fact the tax form does not determine the profit. On the individual tax form there are two income that are relevant and that is adjusted gross income (different form gross income in some cases) and taxable income after subtracting all deductions standard or otherwise and it is this income that you pay tax on and small business owners pay the same as non business persons. It is clear you do not understand this by your statements regarding it. Having done it so often, I do understand it and have a lot of experience at it and I am always amazed by the large amount of misinformation about small business incomes. Conservatives have done a very good job of spinning this issue and creating all this misinformation and you seem to buy into it.

          • vicki

            Smiliee says S-Corp pays no taxes. Provides no links to support his assertions. Ignores the fact that S-Corps do exactly as I said and that is pass the income to the share-holders who pay the income tax at their individual rate.

            Thus a tax that is not a tax that is a tax. The corp paid the tax the same way any non-s corp does. Passes it on to individuals. From the government side the money still comes in.
            Which of course was my original example.

            here is a link btw
            http://www.taxguru.org/corps/scorp.htm

          • vicki

            Oh and to add insult to injury the individuals have to pay the tax even if they do not take out a dime of that income from the company.
            (see previous link for stories)

            “With an S corp, the shareholders are required to pay income tax on their share of the corporation’s income whether they take any money out of the corporate account or leave it in there. A few years ago, I wrote about the consulting client who had to include over $300,000 of S corp income on his 1040, when he had only taken out about $30,000. It wasn’t bad enough that he had to pay more income tax than he had received, but things were much worse. He had a child support arrangement requiring him to pay 29% of his adjusted gross income (AGI) each year. This meant he had to pay 29% of the $300,000 to his ex-wife.”

            The government remains the strong-arm partner. Lots of unintended consequences lying about too.

          • Smilee

            vicki says:
            August 31, 2010 at 3:27 pm

            Try looking at the form and the instructions on the IRS website as I previously recommended then you will find the truth instead of reading these propaganda sites you refer us to. Maybe you are not smart enough to understand these taxes but at least look at the IRS forms and instructions before you shoot your big mouth off. This is an issue I am very familiar with and I will not let a know nothing spin the truth on it.

          • Vicki

            my my my Smilee is full of ad hominum attacks this morning. Just SOME of those links I provided happen to be to the folk who actually DO tax prep and deal with the IRS. Silly me for not noticing the propaganda there. (Prob from the IRS :)

            With respect to tax law I will bow to Smilee’s knowledge as I have an accountant. However the point was and is that the government gets its money. That would be a “bottom line” for those of you actually in business :) Doesn’t matter what you call it. A tax. A fee. A racket. The government is your (big bully) partner (That being the point of both the article and my comments).

            And remember all taxes are paid by individuals, usually the consumer, one way or another.

          • smilee

            Vicki says:
            September 1, 2010 at 3:09 pm

            Spin,Spin, Spin, no wonder your so confused and mixed up

    • TIME

      Chip, I wish I had more time to add in a few more points, but I have a plane to catch before I hit the road again Let me just say super Blog dude!

      Its so hard for folks that don’t work for themselfs to grasp just how hard it is to start a business, {let alone keep one going.} As in no less than 3-5 years without an income stream thats if you are lucky.

      Strange that all my quasi liberal friends do trade’s for products and services and then fail to note such as income on their tax’s.

      Thats just one point I find odd, but more over as I watch one business after other closing down this year 2010, I can’t recall ever seeing such before.

      As on Monday I now know of 40 more business’s that will be shutting down by December 31st of this year {2010.}

      I have no words anylonger for whats going on, its passed maddness at this point. In the year 2010 alone I know of over 200 small business’s that have closed, by years end I am sure that number will be twice that amount. I am but just one person who is observing this how many others can say the same thing.

      How many homes will be going back to the banks this year?
      I have read somewhere in the 150000 plus range, where folks just can’t make the payments anylonger, due to higher property tax’s, loss of jobs due to loss of business to countless business’s no matter how big.

      The only business that seem to be making money now are “REPO Companys” who come and pick up your stuff with their “trucks!”
      Thats bloody sad.

      Again Chip Great blog!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Time, you are so right, business’s around here (east coast) are dropping like flys, we’ve lived in a depressed area for well over 15 years now, more like 20-25, since industry is gone. I’ll repeat once more, if you don’t bang a cash register, work for yourself, or in the medical field, your screwed for a job around here. It’s quite depressing. A gas station just shut down the road from us, landscapers are becoming non-existant, luxury services, such as hair & nail salons are hurting as well. Bars are hurting, cuz folks are either, buying a six pack and taking them home, or they just stopped drinking, and the non smoking just made matters worse__ I hope the Obama Administration are proud of themselves, with business’s dropping off, they won’t be getting any taxes form them.__ what will they tax next!___America is in a sad state of affairs, worse than I’ve seen in my life time and I’m 54.__God bless

        • Mike In MI

          Hey Angel Mustabee -
          Obama and his Admin. are proud of themselves. Have they, to date, backed away from or modified much of anything in their agenda? Joe Bidenmytime was out there yesterday reiterating that we’re on the right track, sailing back into port, not going down the “Bush Road” programs of the past. YUP, they are proud of themselves. They set out to “fundamentally change America” and you can ask the gas station owner down the road if he’s got his change yet or knows what his next hope will look like. Ask the homeowners who are being foreclosed if the manner they are underwater is much different (to them) than how Katrina’s victims were underwater. What’s going to happen THIS winter?

          Maybe algore will sell them some Carbon Credits and Obama’s conflit of interest in giving us the Green Weeney will warm all our hearts this winter.

          Bless you, stay warm kido.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Mikie Mi, Oh yeah, the libs keep sayin’ ‘were on the road to recovery___Eh Where?____Utopia, must be a grand island or the White House windows need washing, because, the Bambi Administration is loookin over reality in Disney land!__Ill connected to America and reality. As far as stayin warm, I will, I just put a wood stove in, my thermostat will stay low enough to keep the pipes from freezin’__They can kiss my azz, for higher oil prices___ as for lighting, I got a plenty of kero for kerosine lights, life hands ya lemons ya make lemonade, sides, I’m used to tough times. Its kept me a survivalist and not a whiner at 54!I can survive with the best and have!

      • vicki

        I to have seen a noticeable increase in buildings along main streets with “for lease” signs in the windows. These are in commercial retail areas of town. It’s not pretty.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          vicki,
          Yup, fewer department stores and more dollar stores!!!

    • EddieW

      Isn’t it amazing, our banks and corporations possibly government has to follow are lining up to do business with the homeland China currency called renminbi All future business will be done in this currency, while we get stuck withe the useless paper dollars!! Even China don’t want em anymore… What a rip!!!

    • EddieW

      It’s finally nice to see the Kennedy assassination is finally solved…Unbelievable!!
      http://www.prisonplanet.com/jfk-assassination-cover-up-blown-sky-high.html

    • Peter

      A very true article and one I totally agree with. One side note however, if we were to allow no restraint by way of rules etc, simple human greed dictates that there WILL be an equal amount of abuse from the side of the employer, paying the absolute minimum in wages and conditions, ignoring workplace safety in favor of profits, and ignoring pollution in favor of ‘quick-fix’ disposal of harmful waste.
      There is clearly room for abuse on both sides of the fence, and this situation is not ‘us v them’, as these rules and taxes have been progressively put in place over many years by governments of both flavors.
      So my question is, “Who draws the line?”
      How do we reach a middle ground where everybody in the food chain, including the necessary evil of government, can afford to survive or thrive by way of their personal choices and work ethic?
      Unless we want total anarchy, someone has to draw a line in the sand for all stakeholders in any situation in society.
      If you want to remove the ridiculous amount of over-government and taxation, become directly involved in the political sphere and voice your democratic opinion in the formation of policies for the party you choose.
      Only then can you have a real voice.
      You can’t expect results from sitting at your PC or in the local bar yelling at a screen.
      Nobody will hear or care.

    • Fr. Jim

      I was in a small business–my family’s theatrical agency, in New
      York City, in the 1970′s, during the infamous Carter Administration.

      There were three of us in the office: my parents and me. We were not
      manufacturers, had no production line or plant space and ran an open,
      friendly office.

      Then along came OSHA, and a flood of federal paperwork that had
      absolutely nothing to do with us, but which we had to regularly
      fill out and submit, anyway. Then came more government paperwork,
      equally irrelevant to what we were doing, that treated us as if we were a fortune-500 manufacturer (we still had manufacturers in
      America, in those days). Coping with the government paperwork
      averaged us one man-day a month: that’s one-third of our labor
      force!

      It was the beginning of the end for small businesses, who have
      been increasingly harrassed with compliance paperwork ever since.
      You see, even if it doesn’t apply to them they have to fill it out
      anyway.

      In 1979 I went off to seminary, and my folks retired. One big reason
      they quit was the theatrical unions. Agents are franchised by Actors’
      Equity Association (stage), Screen Actors’ Guild (film) and the
      American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (live radio and
      TV and audio and videotape): Equity, SAG and AFTRA.

      Here’s about Democrats always being for the “little guy…”

      In 1978, SAG decreed that all agents had to open their offices one day a week for open interviews. That means they had to interview and
      accept pictures from any union actor who walked in the door.

      Now, we, like many other small agencies, had an open-door policy,
      anyway. We’d do our work and chat all day with actors who dropped
      in.

      No good. We now had to have an official “open day.” The result was
      maybe a hundred kids sitting on a cold floor to get five minutes
      with us every Wednesday. It took all the fun out of it. The personal,
      relational part of the business was wiped out. The union insisted we
      treat their people like commodities, not human beings. We couldn’t
      keep things informal, because the “open day” used up, in one day,
      the time that used to be spread out over the whole week.

      The big agencies did just fine. They’d detail a secretary to be
      “agent for a day,” or task one of their dozen or so junior agents,
      and continue business as usual. For us, it was at least a third of
      our labor force that was tied up and that meant a 33% decrease in
      productive effort one day a week.

      Then came Equity, and its “graduated scale” that decreased agent
      commissions by, in many cases, 30-50%. Many agents simply dropped out
      of the live theatre business altogether, most de-emphasized it, and
      Equity’s members were less-served as a result.

      Many small agencies couldn’t survive it all, and went out of business.

      The majors? They thrived, in an environment where competition from
      the “little guy” had been decimated.

      I don’t need to point out that neither Jimmy Carter nor the commissars of SAG and Equity were Republicans.

      By and large, it is the policies of the Democrats, not the Republicans, which have favored the “big guy” and crippled the
      “litle guy.” It is the policies of the liberals, not those of the
      conservatives, that have created the climate of which Flashman
      (appropriately, the school bully of “Tom Brown’s Schooldays”)
      complains. Under Reagan, small business got some breathing room.
      Then, with Bush I and since, it’s only been getting worse.

      Flashman does make some decent points here and there, but he’s
      naming the wrong villain.

      • libertytrain

        I found your family story very interesting as well as thought-provoking – All this happened right under our “sleeping” eyes, one step at a time. And it continues. Perhaps we are waking up.

    • fernando

      was reading some of your readers comments, one of the funny ones by a person “mary”..she said that we have been living in a socialist/communist country for some years now…he,he,boy is she funny !!!…..socialists in wall street ??? maybe in vermont !!…..my country (u.s.a)..has the most millionaires and billionaires in the planet !!..we have the richest minorities in the world !!!socialist??..i,don’t think so….fernando..

  • s c

    Obama’s robots have been programmed not to recognize a government at war with its own citizens. To be honest, Herr Obummer didn’t start the war.
    It’s been going on for many years. However, since
    Obama is determined to see that this long war will end during his first term, he is as guilty as the vermin who started the damned war.
    Doing dirty laundry in public makes most people bashful. In Obama’s case, it’s the best way for
    everyone to see who’s who and what’s what. It won’t be easy to clean all the dirty laundry in the first load, but it will be a great start.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the American people have a better idea who Obama works for than he does. Then again, Obama is a puppet, and puppets just go through the motions. It’s the string pullers and puppet masters behind the curtain who need to be thoroughly laundered and hung out to dry. Obama is an over-hyped useful idiot for those who seek total control over everyone.
    Obama is a legend in his own mind, and that’s as ‘good’ as he’ll ever get. Maybe he can start a teleprompter repair business – in Mexico. Or, he can compare notes with Bernie Madoff.

    • dan az

      sc
      do they put telepromters in prisons? maybe he can get bubba to hold up cards!

      • s c

        Dan, as screwy as criminal justice is, it’s entirely possible that teleprompter repair could become a vertical bar hotel resume enhancer. It could be seen as an easy way to ‘create’ new jobs, especially when the economy implodes.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      Not picking on you, per se, S C, when I say: Here we go again. By what amazing stretch of the imagination does anyone think O-bombya, or The Shrub, or Clint Peckerwood, or Read My Bush, or any of them are their own men? (Jackson, Lincoln, and JFK may have been exceptions, we saw how that worked out.) Who honestly believes that if we vote them and their ilk (that would be nearly ALL of Congress and the Senate) out of office (or imagine we have, with our hopelessly flawed and rigged system) anything will change?

      It’s a fixed game with rigged rules played by straw men.

      Greenspan, Bernanke, Kissinger, Brzezinkski, Emmanuel? Same. And the same is true of nearly all the names you read in world political and financial news. If all these people mysteriously disappeared at 11:59 PM Greenwich, what makes anyone seriously think tomorrow would be materially different from today?

      Ask yourself, just suppose what I’m suggesting is true. Our course has been increasingly obvious for over a century and a half despite numerous changes at the helm and countless changes in tack, so who’s really navigating?

      • Bob

        Average Joe Don’t forget Reagan who survived but fell in line and George Wallace who was paralyzed for life. Many were targeted but came through OK>

      • DaveH

        Average,
        If we shrink Government dramatically, those with power now will see their power greatly diminished. We need to get Government (especially the Federal Government) out of the marketplace and out of our personal lives.
        For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government, Vote Libertarian:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • JeffH

          I have to agree with you…

      • Fr. Jim

        AJP–

        “Rich people” are not some monolithic, faceless “group” of sinister
        people. They are human beings, with their own ideas about things.
        They tend to cluster in groups, because they are experienced in the
        ways of power and there is more power to be wielded in group effort.

        The thing is, not all of these groups advocate the same things.
        UYes, the Bilderburgers exist. Yed. they have a lot of power.
        But no, that doesn’t guarantee they will get their way. There
        are other groups of powerful people who oppose them. Often, they
        oppose each other.

        The most powerful group of people is not necessarily all that rich:
        it is the American electorate.

        At those rare times when this powerful group is awake and energized,
        great and powerful things happen. When we are complacent, which is
        most of the time, we pay for it.

        Your argument promotes complacency, AJP. It tells us everything is
        a setup, so we might as well give up.

        Look around you at the real changes that are occurring because of the tea party movement. An awakened electorate has already, even before
        the elections, become a pebble in the stream which is rapidly
        growing into a boulder.

        Don’t give up.

        • kate8

          Fr. Jim, You do speak the truth, and your words give hope.

          You make a good point about how many of the powerful are in oppostion to one another. This is important because evil always breeds discord and distrust within its own ranks.

          We also need to be aware of much of what they say is to influence how we think. Psy-ops. They count on us believing what they tell us and, thus, we allow it to come to pass. They will sound the most confident when they are the most desperate.

          This is why those who seek to enslave the world are doomed to certain failure.

        • Petere Palmer

          The wealthy in this country have realized the “American Dream”! Our economy is fueled by their ambitious endeavors. They should not have a higher tax just because they are successful but this current administration sees money and can’t control itself.

        • Sharon Jeanguenat

          How encouraging to see all the comments from you all about Biblical prophecy! I especially enjoyed the comment of why communism fails. As Christians, people are going to turn to us for encouragement & help in the coming disaster that is fixing to hit this nation. When our leaders publically turn against Israel, & side with the UN, we are in for some major punishment. The Bible says that God blesses those who bless Israel, & curses those who curse Israel. As of now, I don’t see anyway that we can turn the tide of the coming judgment against our nation. I do hope that I’m wrong, & if enough of us turn to God & really pray, maybe we can touch His heart. While He is going to take care of His own, that does not mean that judgment isn’t coming.

  • The Virginian

    Obama likes to make ice and hamburgers…he works for Bild er Berg(er)

    • BrotherPatriot

      *Snickers*

      True dat ^^…

    • alpha-lemming

      That was 66.6667% of a pun.

      P-U

  • MWS

    Chip stated the upcoming article will concern the federal reserve, good subject. I wonder if one could discover who the financiers (families) of the worlds banking and various governments over the last 400 years have been? Me thinks if you identify these you have shown the face of the puppetmasters.

    • Al Sieber

      MWS, you need to start out with the Rothschilds .

      • Bob

        The Rothschilds have been financing wars for hundreds of years. Financed both sides in the Civil War.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Yepper Al!

    • Bruce D.

      While it is true that there are people behind the scenes seeking power and money, they are not the real problem. The real problem is that there are too many people like hflashman out there who fall for the manipulations. The people behind the scenes want to knock out all compitition and any who might stand up against them. People like hflashman do not realized they are being used through this left wing ideology to bring about this end. He falls for this war on business as a good thing as he believes most businessmen are corrupt. Hflashman equates honest busnesmen with coruption and ignores those behind the democratic party seeking total domination over business. Hflashman sees big government as the solution and the free market as evil. As long as there are those like hflashman around there are always those who will take advantage of his lack of insight. If there are too many hflashman’s around they will vote for government power over the people. It does not matter who pulls the strings of the elected officials it is hflashman and people like him who gives the government the power. By giving government the power he gives those that are corrupt behind the scenes power. Most honest businessmen do not assume others in business as corrupt. If hflashman is in business you have to wonder why he wants the good and the bad painted with the same stoke. An honest businessman only wants those who are corrupt punished. Hflashman wants good and bad treated in the same way.

      • kate8

        Bruce, So true. And since almost none of the democrats in office have ever had ANY business experience, including Odumbo, they have no clue about what it is like to have to actually work for a living.

        It’s the ones who’ve never had to get their hands dirty who think they are above it all, and somehow think they know how to run things better.

        I think we need to get rid of ALL career politicians. Having business experience should be a requirement. Otherwise, how can they class themselves as our “peers”? It is just this mindset that makes them regard themselves as “rulers” rather than “servants”.

        Oh, and being a lawyer doesn’t count. Funny how they become lawyers in order to learn how to effectively twist and circumvent the law, and to get their foot in the door.

        • DaveH

          Above all, those in the Legal Profession love complexity. The more there is, the more money they make. We need to get back to the KISS principle.

      • independant thinker

        I personaly think the flash-in-a-pan knows exactly what he is saying and knows he is being used and does not care.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          independant thinker,
          did you ever consider that he could be one of the users purposely sounding stupid to convert fense sitters? NAHHH! Just kidding!!!

  • Wingco

    This punishment of industry and reward of indolence has been established in the USA since Kennedy and Johnson created the free rides for leeches.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Started with Woodrow Wilson, and continued under Hoover and Roosevelt.

  • yoteech2002

    The article by Porter Stansberry on the Gov’t's business offer was a good one – but incomplete…forgot to mention the billions of your money that are then funneled to international megacorporations doing some of their business in the United States. Subsidies and tax breaks for the wealthiest companies from the Congress they have bought and paid for…to the detriment of small business owners. Helps the large megacorps pay the $1 per day salaries to their employees in every third world country but not in the USA. But hey – why should ExxonMobil follow the same rules as a local business entrepreneur?

    • hflashman

      Exactly. Why shouldn’t Exxon pay the same? Because of the party of No…the GOP … which blocks everything and anything that helps the little guys.

      • Craig

        Party of no? People that regurgitate that lame statement are clueless. Thanks for providing proof of your ignorance.

        • kate8

          Craig, liberals completely ignore the fact that during that all-to-brief period when republicans ‘controlled’ Congress, the democrats blocked EVERY issue they tried to address. Remember Tom Daschle? That mealy-mouthed weasel.

          Their job is to block the opposition party from passing egregious legislation. Unfortunately, it’s all become a side-show while legislation is being silently written and passed behind closed doors. Anything that we get to see is just for effect.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            they also forget that twenty years ago volkswagon was paying their workers in south america 45.00 a month then! The last estimate I saw was close to 100 dollarsw a month which lets them live a fairly good life in those countries. Their foremen were making about 300 a month.
            We have let the unions push this country so high on the salary range that normal non-union workers can’t afford to live because the economy in a certain area goes up in accordence with the higher wages. There are many companies that are union that when asked what they want to bargain for, retirement or wages they always say wages! Then when the time to retire comes they want to cry that they can’t afford to live on their retirement! what happened to all that money they made when they were working? did they save or invest? Hell no, they bought new cars every year, big screens, boats, everything they didn’t need. My father lived well on a welders retirement and saved a lot. he sometimes drove cars that were 7-8 years old, but he actually owned a plane at one time a cessna 120, a tail dragger as they are called. He later sold it for just about as much as he paid for it but that doesn’t matter. he never made over 12 dollars an hour. NEVER! He invested a little, saved a little and had a reasonable retirement check. He didn’t make 35 thousand a year from his retirement from the shop, nowhere near! Now people EXPECT to retire with 50,000 a year from their employer AND make 30 dollars an hour!! And you wonder why we are losing jobs???

        • Smilee

          Craig says:
          August 27, 2010 at 10:19 am

          Thanks for providing proof of your ignorance, it came through load and clear

        • Lewis Munn

          Blame it on our socialized schools that do not bother teaching anything of real value, such as correct spelling. He really means the “Party of Know”, but flunked spelling and passed spieling

          • Smilee

            You have it backwards he did mean the party of “NO”

        • Bob Wire

          well 350 pieces of legislation are blocked in the Senate that address the economy and employment ~ So who’s the brain dead here regarding the party of “NO”. ~ I say 350 bills stalled says “NO”! very loudly.

          Who wishes to disagree?

      • Wayne

        I don’t like to see any corporation pay taxes. Any time they are taxed, they just pass it along to their comsumers. Let’s change this so called, Tax Cheat Charlie Rangel’s and Tax Cheat Geither taxes, to a more fair tax system like the fair tax instead. Maybe Congress and some of the government officials will be unable to cheat on their taxes. Just think, there is around 60,000 pages to the tax system. Why so many? Obama has hired all his Communist Buddies, and cronies that could not find decent jobs, and put them on the Federal Payroll for the hard working citizens to pay their wages. These idiots are running the country and some folks just cannot see if for some reason. Hey, come on you liberals we, the conservative, want the best for this country. Do you? We have got to clean house in Congress this Nov. or we are all sunk. I think you liberals has lost sight of the Boy Scouts Motto …

        • DaveH

          I agree, Wayne. Corporate tax is just a diversionary tactic by the politicians. They can get more money out of us if they succeed in rallying those with the green-eyed glasses to their phony cause. Corporations don’t pay tax, people pay tax.
          I’m not sure the Fair Tax is the answer though. I would much rather see every adult be liable for the same tax each year. That way those of us who are responsible could just cut the Government a check and be done with it. The people who couldn’t pay would be the ones who would need to jump through the paperwork hoops explaining why they couldn’t pay. If every adult was required to pay the same taxes, you can bet that we would vote for a much smaller Government. Which is exactly the reason why we couldn’t expect most Politicians to vote for such a system.
          While I do agree that we need badly to get rid of the Income Tax System, if you read this article, you might change your mind about the Fair Tax being a viable solution:
          http://mises.org/daily/1814

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. Another good article that you presented on the not so fair Fair-Tax.Much food for thought.

        • grumpy

          You brought up an interesting train of thought about corporate taxes. I’ve heard tell that corporations have worked out a sweet deal in partnership with the government whereby they withhold money from a workers paycheck by using a document called a W4 that you have to sign, or else… In return for this they get a pass on a whole lot of things. Think about it.

      • Ruby

        Flash: you fail to remember…oh, I forgot, our history books have been altered, so maybe you never learned…that GLOBALIZATION began in the early-mid 1960s. That’s when the “World” Trade Center was conceived. Progressivism has been going on, at the very least, for a century. Stop focussing on the last administration so much…this started too long ago for us to have to tolerate your partisan rants.

        • eddie47d

          That’s why I keep saying that Obama can’t be blamed for everything. It goes back a long ways.

      • JCfromDC

        The party of “NO” has been for the “little” guy especially small businesss, since ever I can remember. The party of “yes” (to my money) has been screwing us in the name of “Fairness.” Look at what they’ve done since ’06. And don’t blame Bush. Congress has the “power of the purse”. Have you ever wondered why the “Big Guys” welcome more and more regulation? ‘Cuz THEY can AFFORD it. Meanwhile the little guy is out of the competition. Now, in real terms about 18% of us are out of work. Thanks “mules”.

  • Doc Sarvis

    What will be done with all this money I take from my partner in business; I’ll build the best military in the world to protect you (and hopefully not put them into unnecessary wars), I’ll build roads so that you can move products and consumers can come to the marketplace, I’ll create rules for the marketplace to make it a fair place to do business, I’ll enforce those rules too. If you are going to have to pay an estate tax you probably so wealthy that your business probably has benefitted from government subsidies since maybe 1% of the population ever has to pay that tax. Speaking of subsidies, you’ll probably benefit from all the subsidies I give to industries (energy, agriculture, scientific research, etc.) that feed into your business. As you could imagine, all this costs money. I could go on but I thought I should give you a bit of the other side.

    • DaveH

      I’ll tell you who to hire and who to fire. I’ll tell you how much to compensate them. I’ll tell you what benefits they should receive.
      I’ll build the best military in the world to protect you, and I’ll waste that military trying to be the world’s policemen.
      I’ll build roads so that you can move products and consumers can come to the marketplace, but I won’t do it nearly as efficiently as it could be done in the private sector.
      I’ll create rules for the marketplace to make it a fair place to do business for the Big Corporations who can afford cadres of lawyers and accountants to jump through the regulatory hoops.
      And after taxing you to death, I will even tax you after death, but only if you’ve shown enough initiative to acquire big wealth.
      I will use any excuse that Liberals will buy to take your money as my own.

  • Ed

    Doc, you forgot to add the billions and billions GIVEN to people too lazy to work, to lazy too get a FREE education so they CAN get a job, but not too lazy to keep churning out baby after baby. OR, did you mean to “forget” about that?

    • Doc Sarvis

      Ed,
      There is the money given to the unemployed. A great safety net for those who lost their jobs and are temporarily out of work through no fault of their own. A small percentage of those who sign up for this helping hand do take unfair advantage of the system.

      • Craig

        Small percentage take advantage of it? You ain’t never been to south central LA and surrounding cities. There is more than a small percentage abusing the system. There are families that have been abusing it for generations.

        • Bob

          Welfare people aren’t included in the unemployment statistics. Some families have been on welfare for 4 generations. About time to break the cycle.

          • Lewis Munn

            Why break it? They always vote “right”…for the party that doles out the most free benefits. Somebody has to pick them up and use them or the bleeding heart do-gooders will be hurt!

      • Conservative at Birth

        Exactly what has caused the Job losses in the U.S.A.? Could it be the economic colapse caused by the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act of 1933 signed by Bill Clinton in 1998-1999, which made it legal for Banks to sell derivatives and debit credi swaps? Could it be the Community Re-investment Act originating with Carter and dusted off and strengthened by Clinton. Could it be the 110% Mortgages that should never have been made. Could it be that no one in their right mind would invest in, start, or expand a private business in this uncertain time. Capital will continue to flee this country in the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 are not made permanent, the death tax is not eliminated, and a reduction in capital gains taxes.

        • eddie47d

          Conservative;Everything you said is true but those laws were put in place to make our system better. They certainly shouldn’t have been watered down by Clinton or Carter.Unfortunately few things work out the way they are supposed to work. Those laws (before and after)weren’t a license to cheat. Who took advantage of those laws? Capitalistic banks and mortgage companies. The government got a little to generous and these corporate thieves got a might greedy and raided the hen house. Oversight was lax on both sides. Not much different for some folks on welfare;the more you give them the more they want.Then everyone sees how easy it is and “everybody” wants in.

      • William

        wrong Doc. a helluva lot of them. and a helluva lot of them are working getting paid under the table. I know some of them and have known a lot of them in my 74 years on Gods green earth. and if you will look around you probably know a few too, oh by the way a helluva lot of wellfare recepients do the same thing, all wellfare recipients are not lasey. they are very smart and do work,

        • Ruby

          And don’t forget how fathers of welfare babies disappear during a certain time of the month when case workers may drop by for an inspection. OOPS! Can’t find the abandoning parent in the house!

      • kate8

        Doc, It doesn’t matter HOW much money the government collects in taxes. It will never be enough. Even if they took everything we earned it would not be enough.

        They are printing money out of thin air. It does not exist.

        Harrassing the taxpayer is just another way to keep us stressed out. It is to get us out of the game.

        THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

        • Doc Sarvis

          And no matter how little the government collects in taxes it will never be a small enough amount for most taxpayers. That is why we elect people to represent us and create a balance between the two positions (too much or too little taxes) to run our government.

          • DaveH

            There is no such thing as balance. They will take as much as they can, until we stop them. Unfortunately with so many people paying little or no taxes, the political class has a ready supply of bought-and-paid-for voters to keep that from happening.

          • Smilee

            DaveH

            We know there can be no balance coming from someone as unbalanced as you are!

          • kate8

            Doc, You have a problem with people wanting to enjoy the fruits of their own labor?

            You seem to think the government has a right to it.

          • DaveH

            Sleepee,
            What would disturb me would be an ignorant person, such as yourself, defending me.

      • DaveH

        My son has been on that “safety net” for two years now.
        I have known nobody personally that hasn’t milked unemployment benefits all the way to cut off. Then they suddenly get the energy to get a job.

        • Doc Sarvis

          The majority of folks that I know personally who have been layed off (most of which has been in the last two years) sought employment immediately and were working again within three months. None of those who I know who lost their job were unemployed longer than one year.

      • grumpy

        Doc, Doc, Doc… “through no fault of their own”, you bet. Of course they are in the unemployment line because our government has fostered a system whereby fiscal irresponsibility has been rewarded but only to the controlling rich. In case you haven’t heard, our wonderful omnipotent corporations and their government worthless lackeys have hooked up to allow the corporations to go global. You know what this means, don’t you Doc? Of course you do, it means that the corporations can now exploit hapless third world countries into providing the labor for a starving wage. Hey, guess what?–the only people that this benefits is the investors because the consumer seems to be paying more and more for the products even in spite of the cheap labor, and, if you remember, that was what was sold to us when they were putting together NAFTA: cheaper goods. Did that happen? Nike Chairman “Phil” Knight has a whole army of third world literally starving to work for Nike. I don’t see anywhere were Nikes are manufactured in the good ole USA. Off the top of my head the only shoe I know of that is manufactured here in America is San Antonio Shoes (SAS) and, I might add, they are an excellent excellent shoe, cheaper and nicer than Nike. I’m just using SAS and Nike as a case-in-point since Nike makes athletic shoes but that doesn’t diminish the premise or the truth of what I am saying. Com’on Doc.

      • alpha-lemming

        The libs DO care about the poor. However, first they’ve got to take care of thier voting bloc: The stupid, the irresponsible, the inept, the lazy, the connected, and the criminal. If there’s anything left over after that, the poor are the first in line.

        • eddie47d

          Come on lemming!Don’t you think corporates and some small businesses were irresponsible,well connected and criminal, The banks,investment co.’s,mortgage co’s,,insurance co’s, car co’s,big pharma all made that so true. They were first in line for corporate welfare when they were growing and first in line when they lost their butts.

          • alpha-lemming

            I don’t suspect…. I absolutely KNOW there were companies gaming the system and corporate welfare (supplied by government for the sole purpose of taking in more in taxes than they{WE} paid to prop ‘em up) should be made illegal. GM and Chrysler (hurts to say because I’m a Mopar fan in the racing world) should’ve “sunk or swam”. A couple others you cited (banks and mortgage cos.) were driven to bankruptcy BY GOVERNMENT ala “Frannie” and CRA ’96. The right is DEFINATELY guilty of some subsidization. THAT, however, is NOT the all pervasive entitlement mentality which, I’ll go so far as to say, is a party platform of the left and their sycophants.

            If we don’t like a company or product, we have the freedom of voting with our feet and wallets. With government???…. you have NO freedom/options, and you refuse their mandates???…. you get arrested!!

    • Gene

      Ed,
      You hit the nail on the head. The minority are rapidly becoming the majority because all they do is screw and when they get tired of screwing their spouse, they find some one else to screw and we wind up with more and more ignorant people on welfare. That’s why all the third world countries have so much poverty and disease. Take a look at South Africa. They have over 5.7 million people with AIDS and in ten years that figure will hit 9 million and the crime is completely out of control. Other black countries are not far behind. Mexico is another country that is plagued with similar problems. Sex, crime and a corrupt government has screwed up their country so bad, they now want to come to America to live. Minorities are like a plague out of control and they will destroy this country as well.

  • Barry

    What’s left out of all the “too much tax” talk is a discussion of tax rates in the 1950s, a time of great innovation and growth in our history.

    The top marginal tax rate was 91% for incomes of $400,000 and over.

    In the final analysis, the predictability of government policies is more important than their words. As long as businesses know what the rules are, they can make provisions for them.

    One other problem, not covered in any analysis I’ve seen, is that we have have gone from being a nation of makers and doers to being a nation of paper shufflers and litigants. We think that doing a leveraged buyout is the same as starting a company from scratch, that creating and selling the derivative de jour is the same as inventing something. No nation has ever survived with a ruling ethos of shuffling paper; being a nation of rentiers is a sure prescription for collapse. We have too much of our money tied up in hedge funds and not enough invested in productive endeavors.

    • Bob

      91% sounds really exorbitant but there were alot of deductions that reduced it. The country did well nonetheless.

    • DaveH

      The inflation since 1955 to present amounts to 700%. So, an income of $400,000 in 1955 would be equivalent in buying power to $3.2 million dollars now. As you might imagine, not too many people would hit that range.
      That’s not to say that I advocate taking more of somebody’s money just because they had the initiative to work harder and sacrifice more.
      As I said earlier, it’s not about fairness. It’s about the Government using any excuse that Liberals will buy to raise the Government’s power and revenues.

    • eddie47d

      Barry, I concur.

    • independant thinker

      And one of the biggest booms our economy has ever seen occured when Kennedy slashed the taxes from that 91% to much lower rates.

      • Smilee

        Our economy was doing very well long before Kennedy became president so how do you account for that??

  • robert widby

    I have a deal for YOU, big brother. How ’bout we go to the polls and send you and your mobster-cronies packing. Then, we will procecute you for treason, put you in an oval-shaped cube [if there is such a thing], hand you a putter and pipe in Hitlers most famous speeches. I would suggest yard arms on the D.C. mall, but, like you said, this is America. You have no appreciation for that, but the rest of us do. And we thoroughly plan to take it back. Now, knowing the damage is done and we are going to experience collapse, the enjoyment you get out of seeing us suffer will be short-lived. I reject the deal you made to me, but you have no choice in the one I’m proudly presenting to you. Heil, and all that you……………..

    • hflashman

      You left out the salutation…

      Dear George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the GOP leadership :

      • Craig

        Bush and Cheney are gone genius. Nothing we can do about those losers. Stay focused on the present losers. Oidiot and his crew are 100x worse and more destructive to our country than Bush ever was. You cannot see the truth, as do most liberals.

        • coal miner

          Graig,

          Have you heard?Ken Mehlman has come out of the closet.That is George W.Bush’s Republican NAtional Chairman.Tell JoeH stay strong. we will pray for him.Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

          http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/08/former-rnc-chairman-is-gay-will-support-gay-marriage.html

          • coal miner

            I meant was.

          • coal miner

            I meant He was.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey backhole miner,
            I always said Bush was a RINO!!!! Maybe this is good news for you for other reasons????? Perhaps THAT is why you support the gay agenda?!?!? Need I make it any PLAINER for you????

        • kate8

          Craig, all the left knows how to do is carp about Bush. That’s been ingrained into their simple minds.

          At least many on the right are able to see their politicians objectively, and know when they are out of line. We go after our turncoat leaders all the time.

          The left worships their politicians no matter what they do. If they have a D by their name, they are a-okay.

          • Bob Wire

            Well Kate, that is because Obama is being viewed and measured to Standards we are uncertain of.

            We only have past known standard to apply. The most recent in memory comes to mind.

            Don’t you think it’s only fair to apply the same standards to all?

            I’m only 62 ~ and draw from memory and personal experience with some academic knowledge of American and World History.

            My first personal memory of Nation Events was in the first grade and the launching of the first nuclear submarine the Uss Nautilus in 1954 while Eisenhower was in office. My teacher, ( Mrs Spivy) made it a point that we knew history was being made that day.

            Prior to that, ~ I only watched and listened in amazement as a small boy, as huge formations of B36 bombers filled the sky and rattled the ground as they flue overheard. I only knew ~ they were not of “my” world and belonged to “others”, it was very scary.

            A blink of time in the telling of history ~ But each President since then has been held to a “Standard” by the people. We’ve been both pleased and disappointed with all of them. Much like a family member in a way.

            So what standard should we apply today?

          • DaveH

            Great logic, Bob. Hitler’s standards were unknown also until afterwards.
            I use my experience and knowledge to look ahead and figure out where I’m going before the damage occurs.

          • Bob Wire

            It’s not “his standards” but your standards Dave. The standard that you apply.

            Hitler was a man full of anger and on a mission, We have a standard to judge him ~ He was a Far Right extremest, military dictator and cold blooded bigot.

            Some have attempted to show parallels to both Bush and Obama ~

            No one got much mileage for attempting to do so, so far. For there is little substance to support either.

            A foolish attempt to fool the more foolish, as neither men compare.

            Hitler was as close to the Great Kublai in method as you might get.

          • kate8

            BW, All I can say is, if a republican candidate tried to come forward with Obama’s credentials, or lack thereof, and sketchy (and hidden) past, he would never have made it to the primaries.

            McCain, bad as he is, was throroughly vetted, and all questions about his past were resolved.

            You libs have simply closed your eyes and ears to all the overwhelming evidence of massive cover-up and conspiracy. Yes, I said conspiracy.

            We conservatives questioned many things about Bush, the same as we question any politician. We were extremely angry about some of the things he did, and we called him on it.

            You libs follow Obama and his band of demons with absolute blind loyalty. Even if the face of disaster, you continue to praise him. And blame the republicans for EVERYTHING, even though they have had very little influence over the years.

            Take a look at what the democrats have done to states like California. A total disaster. And the nation is right on our heels.

          • eddie47d

            Kate8; I was going to direct this to Craig but you out did him. George Bush is a historical figure (like Clinton,Reagan or Obama). Some do like to poke fun at Bush just like any President. The more I see some of you (most of you)attack Obama then the more I want Bush’s name brought up. I personally never called President Bush the filthy demeaning names that I hear said about Obama. You said you called Bush out a few times? Then how could he have possibly got re-elected? I do not respect allot of commentators here because of their vicious attacks,especially when they are not true. When a progressive comes on this site and challanges anyone it’s always the same response (lying liberal go somewhere else). No debate even when the liberal is right. Now Obama has a few faults of his own. I think he should be more Christian sensitive and talk about their accomplishments for making this a great nation. He let’s the right define Christianity when there are good liberal speakers for God. No President should take anything for granted and both Bush and Obama have done that. Bush said he was the decider and had a mandate to govern. He barely got elected both times and showed his arrogance both times. Now I do wish Obama would tone down his arrogance.

          • Bob Wire

            kate8 says:
            August 27, 2010 at 5:27 pm

            BW, All I can say is, if a republican candidate tried to come forward with Obama’s credentials, or lack thereof, and sketchy (and hidden) past, he would never have made it to the primaries.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            With all Respects Kate, BHO was a US Senator and he has offered up a history, credentials and a autobiography. What the GOP has and does is irrelevant ~ While I do like and respect Mrs. Palin, her family values and as a person, ~ she,like Dan Quail was just another pretty GOP face and neither would not have made it to the DNC primaries as pretty as they may have been.

            McCain, bad as he is, was thoroughly vetted, and all questions about his past were resolved.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Well yea, ~ The Keating 5 was not overly exploited, or the Fee Trips to Happy Land and stays in Island Mansions of Mr Keating just for kicks! ~ The decision was made by the DNC to ignore these “questions” of ethics for the greater good. The DNC took the “high road” ~ That he lost a military plane, it was ignored for all the pain he suffered in captivity and never was brought before full review. That McCain divorced his 1st wife Carol, while she lay in a hospital bed was rarely mentioned. As McCain seen an opportunity to marry into great wealth. ~ hardly a word spoken about it. I find that personally reprehensible and just one more poor example of poor conduct and judgment. And on a side note; It made Nancy Reagan sick to her stomach as well and the Reagan did help Carol in her most difficult times as McCain became a GOP hopeful a sported is new wealthy wife.

            I would say most GOP members closed their eyes to this behavior and questionable display of “family values” So is that vetted to you? ~ There is little conspiracy to it. None is needed!

            You libs have simply closed your eyes and ears to all the overwhelming evidence of massive cover-up and conspiracy. Yes, I said conspiracy.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Well, I’m surly not a liberal ~ but this mass cover-up and conspiracy is about all the GOP/Tea baggers have got! ~ It sometime to “create and add too” where there little else to throw. They sure don’t bring forward any record of success, with the exception of what Storming Norman gave them and Reagan’s Valentines Day Card to Omar Khadafi.

            We conservatives questioned many things about Bush, the same as we question any politician. We were extremely angry about some of the things he did, and we called him on it.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Well the message got scrabbled ~ and read Tax Cuts and 4 more Years!

            You libs follow Obama and his band of demons with absolute blind loyalty. Even if the face of disaster, you continue to praise him. And blame the republicans for EVERYTHING, even though they have had very little influence over the years.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            If you consider “praise” defending him from erroneous attack, then yes we praise him. He were the lesser of two evils Kate, please don’t confuse that with “love” or “praise” ~ The GOP offered me no choice in the matter. You need to accept that at some point.

            Take a look at what the democrats have done to states like California. A total disaster. And the nation is right on our heels.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Hmm? ~ It don’t think either of these states California and Arizona are very reflective of the nation katie and both have GOP Governors at the moment.

            Both have serious immigration problems, state budget short falls and extremely High Taxes. The immigration problem has been on going for the last 31 years and we’ve enjoyed 20 of those years under GOP executive office leadership.

            BHO has been in office only about 18 months to date ~ I’m not sure if you can blame him or just democrats for current illegal immigration numbers as I know they are deporting foreigners at a accelerated rate of speed these days, ever deporting anchor babies parents. No to mention Border patrol has been beefed up and there more to come.

            This is a serious problem ~ well beyond was just what a fence might do. I’ve spoke with many illegals Mexicans about this. ~ One was from Mexico City. ~ Asking him why! Why are you here?!!! The answer? This economic down turn is world wide ~ and it always hurts the poorest first and the hardest. Mexico has serious problems, unemployment is high and three drug cartels are making great gains the Federal Counsel controlling some 13 seats, the gulf cartel being the strongest.

            For now, much of this is out of our hands ~ we are left with containment and interdiction.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            barbwire,
            “it was never brought up that he lost a plane?!?!?!?!? Are you without logical thought??? That wasn’t brought up for the same reason that it was never brought up that JFK lost a PT boat. BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH CONSIDERED HEROES!!!!! You sir, are an idiot!!!

        • Bob Wire

          “Oidiot and his crew are 100x worse and more destructive to our country than Bush ever was.”

          Such embellishment undermine the creditability of your post.

          To date;Sir Obama has been in office about 18 months and spent less then two and more then one trillion dollars. Much of this loot is still tied up in the system. Much is being sand bagged by Republican Governors. The full affect of it yet to be felt and won’t be for some time.

          Now how you can compare that with a “known” 8 years track record and conclude it somehow 10x worse be-galls the mind. ~ You have little to base this comparison on other then your emotions that are being feed by a political machine and a major media outlet hell bent to destroy “any” DNC administration, much less the present one.

          I’m completely willing to overlook you wish to ignore the fact ~ The US was in a “economic collapse” two months before HO took the oath of office. Completely willing to overlook GDP growth was in a negative for 2008. Completely willing to overlook unemployment was on a steep rise.
          Completely willing to overlook 4 trillion spent on two wars to “no where”. Completely willing to overlook 6000 Mother’s tears.

          43 ran this country in the ground Sir, making friends and enemies while playing Santa Claus to a select few.

          When he handed Obama the keys, all fuel tanks were empty, all charge cards were maxed out and all the bills were due and no one had bothered to take the trash out or mow the yard.

          Let us attempt to be reasonable in our assessments . ~

          Look at some good news , the GDP has grown almost 3% this year to date and we have slowed job loss. This downturn has been a bugger to stop.

          To date is has been done with very little bipartisan support, we have had to fight and drag the GOP the whole way and fight off the bear all at the same time.

          If You wish to defend this “with love of country” ~ I’ll pass on any love you might have to offer. I’d settle for a stick in the eye.

      • Bruce D.

        Big Brother hflashman what you fail to understand and what you will continue to fail to understand is that the things those on the right did not like in Bush we are seeing multiplied 10X by Obama. We are making an effect to correct those problems from the right while the things you did not like in Bush you give full support to under Obama and act as his cheerleader as do those in the media. “There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.”

        • Bob Wire

          Thanks for that Bruce, you told me something ~ but you need to narrow these “dislikes” down before we can really discuss them.

          You know? ~ Like offer us an example, or one or two things in specific.

          That would help a lot in understanding your position.

          As represented, you hold “more then apprehensions” and voice only dislike in the current dministration.

          We don’t necessary need a whole laundry list to start meaningful discussion but we do need ‘something’!

          And be mindful ~ to what standard you apply to Obama will permit the same standard to apply to all other prior Presidents.

          • Bruce D.

            You are missing the point Bob Wire. You are looking to the right to defend the mistakes of the left. I am saying why try to make excuses for either side. The budget would be an example. Bush X deficit-Obama 10X deficit. The left were huge critics of the Patriot Act. Not a word about it now and renewed it.Obama does not seem to be much different from Bush in foreigh policy-only Bush did not ‘suck up’ and bash America like Obama has. I know foreign countries like the ‘suck up” and put down of America but what has he achieved by it. Why not pull troups out of Germany and Japan and defend our southern boarder. It is time these countries take responsibility for their own defense. Many on right would like to cut back on U.S. involvement overseas. Instead it is business as usual.

          • Bob Wire

            Bruce, hmm? ~ looking to the right to defend the left?

            well, ~ Bruce neither administration works inside a vacuum.

            Example; ~ I’m father/husband of a household, I fail to address the needs of my family. ~ I misspent the families money. I failed to bring in enough to compensate for my poor spending habits. I buy a new deer rifle and pay my part of the hunting lease with the guys. ~ I ignore the thread bare tires on the wives car she drives to work. ~ The boy is hell on his pants and shoes. ~ I fail to set down and explain to him, the need to be more careful with his play as we can’t afford to re-outfit him every 60 days. The daughter need to see the dentist, but we are postponing it. She want to buy the school annual and class ring but the mother needs new tires.

            The wife packs the kids and leave while the husband is on a hurting trip, says she has had about enough ! She finds herself a new man that willing to buy the farm, lot ,stock and barrel.

            This new man, has got some “Spending” to do to please this woman and enjoy all of her good stuff and keep peace in the Shire.

            This new man is Obama. ~ now if I’m attempting to compare one to the other, I suppose I am. But bottom line ~ this woman and her children have needs that has been ignored and she tied of working her ass off while the man plays and doesn’t share her priorities.

            America is in great disarray today and it’s peoples “needs” should be considered and made possible for them to reach with in a 50 hour work week of two people.

            Is that asking too much, too much hope for?

        • Smilee

          Bruce

          All bullcrap coming from the far right wing propaganda machine that you have swallowed hook line and sinker!!

          • Bruce D.

            I can see why you call yourself smilee. No valid points.

          • Bruce D.

            Smilee who on the right is talking about bringing troups home from Germany and Japan or the Patriot Act at this time. Few if any, just mindless banter on your part.

          • Smilee

            Bruce

            In your first post you fail to understand my very valid points, I believe its called denial!! The second post is typical of conservatives when they cannot address intelligently the issue of the poster they are addressing they change the subject to something else and you you did just that!!

  • Bill

    I started my own business in 1985, and somehow still have it today after a 25 year roller coaster ride. Pretty much everything thing in this piece has been my experience…except I haven’t died yet. As for the large corporations…I don’t compete well with them, but it has nothing to do with some mysterious and evil connection with government some people think they have, but rather market forces…economies of scale, purchasing power, and consumer awareness due to their national presence. Generally speaking, their size makes them a bigger target for government regulation…my company is often exempt from new regulation because it’s small.

    • Bob Wire

      You get into the HVAC business and they are on you like ugly on an Ape regardless of your size.

      I’ve considered going low tech ~ but labor cost is an issue.

      I can’t find the quality in such labor ~ that the market can afford.

      Skill issues being the smallest , it’s work ethic, and trust that’s hard to find.

      I can’t use people I can’t trust, my margins too small and liability to great.

    • DaveH

      Read this article to gain a little knowledge on how regulations can favor Big Corporations and disfavor their smaller competitors:
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5205

      • Bob Wire

        Dave I don’t have to read it , I know! It been going on for years!

        Small business is under attack by government, special interest and big business! They are attempting to remove consumer options and local small business concerns. ~ Anyway they can! Dave

        They are tag teaming us. Attempting to make it too expensive to for us to open the doors.

        • DaveH

          Which is why, Bob, the only way to get a “fair” marketplace is to get the Government out of it. Give the power back to the Consumer.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          barbwire,
          hire some of Nobamas people, they will work REALLLL hard for you!!!

          • Claire

            JoeH– forget that!!! lol

  • http://yahoo abby

    I am tired of hearing who did what and when. The fact is this is where we are at. How do we correct the situation. first off, let’s get rid of the IRS; create a fair tax system. Next, all rules and laws created by the government are to apply to all, congress, senate, unions, regular people, etc. No backroom shenanigans (sp); no arm twisting, etc. Then, let’s go for term limits. That way tose we elect will try to work for the people rather than making fortunes. Also, let’s ensure that these electees only get what they put in for retirement purposes. No more free rides, free health care, free etc. etc. Let’s consolidate departments in the government; we could easily reduce government by 25% doing this. Let’s help small businesses, not put more restrictions, report requirements, more red tape to hamper their ability to function and prosper. Let’s highly tax those businesses that have moved overseas. Let’s ensure other countries operating in the US are taxed similar to the US businesses.
    Wow, this is only “common sense” that the little people (or at least thats what government thinks of us) see; why can’t government.
    WE have people pushing for “gay mrriages and rights.” Okay, but not only do they want these rights, they want to destroy the rights of others who believe in a marriage between one man and woman. And then to enforce laws to do this and to have “gay ” is respectable and right to our youngster is school is indeed foolish. It is one thing to teach respect and tolerance; it’s another to say it is the only way and then to punish those non-believers. Truely this is against the Constitution; don’t we have freedom of choice and speech anymore? Let’s stop trying to make our Constitution a living one and get back to the principles intended by our forefathers.
    Also, no more hiding behind “hands off” and legalese when asked to prove citizenship, that includes the President and the illegals. Laws ruling that coming to the US to have a baby that automatically becomes a US Citizen should be changed; and if not, only that individual should be allowed to remain. We can put these babies up for adoption. Also one reason Social Security benefits are being so high is that we are giving benefits to people who have not contributed. And, Social Security was stretched thin by not only the foregoing but by creating programs such a medicaid, using SS funds for the handicapped, etc. Government should put these programs under a different umbrella. Then we would really see where our hard earned case dedicated to SS is really used.
    I could go on and on but you get the picture. Do we have anyone, regardless of party affiliation who is brave enough to get these jobs done.
    Several people who could accomplish this are being attacked by the media; they must really be a threat to those pulling this administration’s strings.

    • Carol

      High Social Security benefits???? You obviously are not retired abby. Just try living on $765 a month. I can’t afford the $168 a month for Medicare supplemental and the $62.80 a month for prescription coverage. If my cardiologist ever stops getting the samples of the $202 for a 30 day supply of the prescription that keeps me alive——-. Wake up. Congress has gutted Social Security for years, and there is no fund. Never has been.

      • Dogswife

        Carol: Regardless of what is going on with SS, people, not the government should plan and save for their own retirement. Why do people think that the government should be allowed to take money and “save” it, via government, so that others won’t have to plan and save? That doesn’t seem right to me. Social Security should be phased out and people need to be responsible, along with their children for their own care during the later years. I’m certain that this statement will create a firestorm. The government doesn’t “manage” money. It only continues to take and spend more than it takes. Stop relying on the government people. Maybe this is a hard one to grasp but we need to take care of ourselves and boot out this big government monstrosity. If they didn’t exist in their current form, we would all have more money to save as we desire. The checks they are writing for SS are coming off the backs of our grandchildren and I don’t have any yet. My children are still in elementary school.

        • Bob

          People can now come into this country at age 65 and start collecting SS without ever having worked here.

        • DaveH

          I’m with you, Dogswife. How people ever bought into the scam, that people in the Government would care more for our lives than we do, is beyond me. Would we let our neighbor take our money for our own good? Would we even let a financial advisor take our money (against our will) for our own good? When anybody takes our money against our will, it is just plain theft. And in the case of Social Security, most of us know that taken money was spent years ago. Social Security is nothing but a Ponzi-scheme.
          Now, we are between a rock and a hard spot. How do we end it without screwing those of us who already paid in against our will? And if we continue it, the future retirees get screwed as the economy dwindles from too much Government. I think the only chance we have is to cut Government’s size dramatically and hope that the robust economy that follows will be enough to save the past victims of the Social Security Scam.

          • eddie47d

            Dogswife; I hope you are saving a bundle if you don’t want Social Security and are willing to take the risk in the stock market or another investment.I mean at least a thousand a month or more. Social Security has definetely been abused for years and I can understand your worry. The concept of Social Security was and still could be a good one if it is only used for the right purpose. Few companies offer good pension plans anymore so there has to be something out there as a safety net.It’s been proven that Americans don’t save much on their own. If they have a choice of buying a home/nice car over savings the house always wins. Social Security has saved allot of people in retirement who otherwise would have nothing. If Social Security was done away with the welfare rolls would swell and that would be a bigger nightmare.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Whether it was a noble thought originally or not, nobody has the right to take your money away “for your own good”. People have a right to be ignorant if they choose. And they have a right to pay for it later if they choose wrong. They don’t have a right to make others pay for their mistakes. That is the only way that most people will make the effort to take care of themselves (if they can’t later ride on the coattails of others).
            How could anybody not do better with that confiscated money than the Government has? That money is gone! No individual could have done worse than that. So they immorally took our money against our will, and then they didn’t even do their fiduciary duty of conserving it for us.

          • tfk65

            DaveH: Recently I have started wondering whether Social Security was ever intended to be a “safety net.” Have been paying attention to the markers on tomb stones. An awful lot of those born say in the late ’30s didn’t live to the age of ’62…the original “retirement age.” Life expectancy didn’t really surge til the last, say 20 years. Could it be that FDR really wasn’t thinking of all of us “poor” folks out here…and how he could “help” us? Could it be that all along it was a “scam” to merely get more money into the federal “coffers?”

          • DaveH

            You’re right, tfk. And we can probably add vote-buying to the reasons they promoted Social Security.

        • Carol

          I used to have a nice retirement set up. I would have had about another $500 a month income. It pretty well poofed 2 years ago, and it was diverse. I should have my inheritance, but the state has blocked every effort to have it turned over to me. They still say they don’t have all the information they require to let me use it. Every time my attorney takes the new info they required the last time he went to court, they ask for something else. My advice is to stay away from California. They want your money as badly our people in Washington D C. It’s my money, but if I use any of it before the courts say it’s legally mine, I could go to jail.

          • DaveH

            Sorry to hear that, Carol. I am in a similar situation. Someday maybe the citizens will figure it out that the Government people are in it for themselves, not us.

        • Carol

          Dogswife, you obviously did not have to study the history of Social Security in school. I suggest you do some research and learn the origin of it. I did not have the choice of NOT contributing to it. It was taken from my paychecks without my permission. It was supposed to have been put into an interest earning fund, but was never done.

    • Gene

      Abby,
      I couldn’t have said it better. I wish we had people like you in Washington.

    • http://www.haringenterprises.com BSHARING

      Well said Abby. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

    • grumpy

      Thanks Abby. That was great! There was a line in Ayn Rand’s book, “Atlas Shrugged”, where one of the strikers (a judge) proposed adding one more amendment to the Bill of Rights: Congress shall make no laws concerning commerce. Slam dunk! How simple is that, and how absolutely freeing is it to know that the corporate-state bully can’t destroy and deny you anymore by using unprincipled weak-willed, avaricious politicians to pass laws in their favor only? About the Constitution: It is what it is and it should be treated exactly with that spirit. It is the LAW and it applies to each and every individual. It is the greatest living document ever written by man since the Magna Carta. The rule of law prevents democracy from creeping in and each and every citizen has redress of grievance under that body of laws.

      Your piece was refreshing.

    • Lewis Munn

      If they are being attacked by the general media, they probably would be excellent, and the media cannot stand good people being compared with the bad ones they have championed.

      We have the good people, just the media swamps them or keeps them away from public scrutiny.

      That might be the first place,to correct. Make sure the medias are fair and equitable….and affordable! Maybe a cap on total spending for any individual candidate.

  • Granny

    To all you who think the Dems are our protectors are on out court: remember Pres. Clinton the “Great Lover” signed the bill to end the Glas-Steigle Act which separated investment banking from other banking (look it up). It was also the Democratic congress during the Bush administration who got in bed with Wall Street. They refused to reign in Fannie and Freddie Mac. Schumer was a huge recipient of Wall Street money. I am not saying the Repbulicans are innocent in all of this. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Both parties have failed America. Remember the main purpoes of the government is to protect the the people from all enemies foreign and domestic (which Ombummer refuses to do) and regulate interstate commerce. Everything else is unconstitutional.

    • Wayne

      Good for you Granny. I agree.

    • DaveH

      Government just needs to butt out of the economy. How many are aware that there was an ecomomic collapse in 1921? It quickly corrected itself, because the Government had not yet learned to “save us” with their regulatory might.
      Now, many investors and depositors don’t do their due deligence because they believe the Government is protecting them. Dream on! How many more economic calamities does it take to wake people up to the fact that Government can’t prevent future calamities. In fact, they typically exacerbate them by thwarting the efficiencies of the Free Market. If Government just stuck to the task of punishing fraudulent operators, and otherwise butted out, we would all be a lot better off.
      Regulatory Hoops don’t deter crooks, they just provide a smoke screen that lulls the citizens into complacency.

  • Linda

    Abby- my thoughts exactly! Here are some of the departments that should be on the chopping block:
    Energy- total failure for not fulfilling their mission of lessening our dependance on energy
    Education- leave it to the states- they know their people much better than some stupid federal employee who can’t even pronounce education
    Labor- another miserably failed mission.
    Agriculture- change their name to INS. If they can track down where one cow with mad cow disease originated, maybe they can do a good job tracking down who is illegal and throw their butts out of the country

    • DaveH

      Good comment, Linda. I would add that Government meddling in education is a sure recipe for brainwashing our children to accept Big Government as a necessity, which it isn’t.

  • tg7357

    If you don’t believe the Feds have declared war on American citizens, just take a thoughtful look at whats going on in Arizona, Texas and Oklahoma over efforts to stem illegal immigration. Arizona is getting sued by the the US government for trying to enforce FEDERAL immigration law. Oklahoma is being threatened by the US Attorney for putting a vote for English as the offical state language on the November ballots. The Feds are turning a deaf ear to Texas as the state finds bullet-holes in buildings from across the Mexican border.
    All you have to do is look at the organizations who are screaming the loudest about how unfair it is to keep illegals out of the US, and you will find the biggest criminals, tax cheats, and shysters outside of the US Treasury department. They are called ‘employers’ who do not do background checks, who hire illegals and pay them under the table, and do not declare their profits from illegal labor. And the Feds do not care.

    • DaveH

      Here we go again. We do not pay the country’s businesses to be our immigration police. We pay the Government to be the immigration police. They need to do their jobs, and leave our employers alone.

      • DaveH

        That reminds me of those teachers who rag on the parents for not spending enough time educating their kids. It’s the teachers’ job. If they can’t do their jobs, then at the very least they shouldn’t try to put off their lack of teaching skills on the parents.
        Ironically, it is teacher groups that are lobbying hard against home-schooling. They want what they want and they want Big Government to force us to give it to them.

        • Claire

          DaveH–The parents are supposed to “raise” their kids. The teachers are supposed to “educate” them. From what I have observed regarding somes cases, the parents and the teachers are doing neither.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I agree with your comment totally – also, the happy dance is beginning. She should be on a plane leaving Afghanistan tonight -

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, congratulations. Hold your enthusiasm best you can until you see her with your own two eyes, then let it flow. I’mm happy for you.

            Claire, well said.

          • libertytrain

            Thanks Jeff, until those boots are on USA ground, I will be holding the happy dance that Claire talks about. I’m glad she’ll be able to be back with the family. Son-in-law got back in late June from Afghanistan and the toddlers are now enjoying him and counting the days for their mommy to be with them once – again – dual deployments are difficult for all involved.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–I am very happy for you, for your family. Even the dog! God love you and your family. I will be thinking about you. Be sure to do the “happy dance” with your daughter! Tell her I am extremely proud of her and hubby!! Give her a hug for me.
            My cousin (one of them) is in Kuwait now.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Libertytrain,
            just goes to show that prayers do help!! I kept my promise to you and added your kids to my nightly prayers and I know a couple of others here did as well. He hears and answers!!! Tell them I said welcome home and a heartfelt THANKS!!!!

          • libertytrain

            JoeH – thank you for the prayers and good wishes. We need to keep it up for all our soldiers out there. She’s not back yet – kind of in a holding pattern in Manas. But that’s ok, she’s begun the journey back.

    • Bob Wire

      “Arizona is getting sued by the the US government for trying to enforce FEDERAL immigration law.”

      No Sir, While it’s been stated in that context many times, ~The Fed has asked the courts to address the constitutionality of the way and manner they plan to enforce the law. Some of which was accepted and some was ‘stayed’ for father consideration.

      Please attempt to be more concise, otherwise it’s misleading to others and if I stay silent, many will believe you are correct and the mean old government is coming to take our guns next.

      don’t you think that the “truth” is important?

      • Lewis Munn

        Bob Wire…

        The evidence based on laws already passed, and restrictive laws proposed, and many comments from lawmakers, is that the government wants to take away the guns and/or prevent them from being used in self defense.

        Look to the problems in South Africa when the good citizens were hamstrung on guns, and the criminals were given free reign to use guns.

        It is part of History.

        I had friends over there at the time, and got reports.

  • R. Morgan

    The solution to all our problems: Repeal every law enacted since 1911.

    • Gene

      Morgan,
      You have a good point there. We need to restart with people that are true Americans. People that know how to think in an intelligent manner. People that really know what’s best for the American people.

    • DaveH

      Morgan,
      You might like what this man has to say:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEX4UPRcAk&feature=player_embedded#!

      • kate8

        DaveH, Right on.

  • Patriot

    We need to stop pointing fingers (I now how easy it can be), the TEA party is right, we are really Taxed Enough. The problem is that the people we elect do not have to live in the same world as us! If you are lucky enough to become a career Politian then you are an elite group that is exempt from the rules and laws that you approve. Could you image that if you had a business and the board of directors had an endless stream of income what you might vote as your own salary and benefits for the rest of you life? This is our government; we need to end this madness. Obviously they will never pass a term limits bill, we need to educate ourselves and vote out anyone that has been in the system longer then 12 years, send a message.

    Also, everyone should watch the documentary “The Obama Deception” if half or more of this is true we are all in trouble unless we take matters into our own hands. We have 2 complicit parties and cronies that have taken advantage of the system because they have been in it much too long! Here in Illinois it is very hard to ignore, Dick Durbin should be our start. I am sick & tired of straight party line votes; it just seems that these people cannot think for themselves and put our country first!

    Last thing we need to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, End the Fed (does everyone know that this is no more Federal then Federal Express?) The Federal Reserve Bank, is just a private bank, what the heck is going on here? The Federal Reserve needs to be audited just like any other business, with their unlimited funds they can buy up viturally anything they chose! We all need to wake up!

  • Keevin

    Everyone to his/her opinion or HELL NO! YOU MORON- Only in America can the dumb ones make the rules and some people believe in them.

  • Gatormaid

    I too have a small business. I only started it 3 years ago. My workers are (sub-contracted) . I also learned from my grand-father to put my money in CD’s . You don’t earn a lot of money on CD’s but when he died , he had CD’s in his name and my name, his name and my brother’s name and his name and my sister’s name… etc…So we didn’t have to pay inheritances tax. I thought this was pretty smart for a man w/ a 4th grade education.I took my money and started my small business.So far I’ve not had problems w/ the gov. (I’m sure it will come. ) I’m still small.I also in the past have had to use unemployment. (while i actively looked for other work.) in the past. One time years ago (during Reagannomicks ) I was unemployed for 4 months. I tried and could not get welfare. I was told if I wanted this I had to go out and get pregnant.Well I didn’t listen to her . Flash forward 30 yrs. I have a young lady working for me the same age as I was, the only difference between us is : She is one color/ I’m another. She lives @ home W/ mother/I lived out of the house. She is employed(by me)/I was unemployed.at the time. She gets welfare / I never have.How is this fair? She’s one color/ I’m another color.It Makes all the difference. I do not think we should do away w/ welfare. There truly are people that need welfare, but a lot off people make it a way of life.It’s how they earn a living. You need more money? Have another baby. Welfare won’t pay for dog food? give your dog steak. (dog eats better then I do)Rent goes up? Trash the house and move out in the middle of the night, owing rent.w/$10,000.00 worth of damage to the house.These are the people that need to get off their lazy butts and go to work or go hungry.Well that’s my rant for the day.

  • Delores Smith

    CHIP WOOD – Your article is not a “downer” It is the Truth, and that is always a gift. Thank you, Chip.

    Americans,Obama needs to read Chip Wood’s article. Obama is so “transparent.” I am recommending that all Americans vote for Republicans or Independents,(not Democrats disguised as Independents). Democrats have been puppets of Obama. Together, they have passed massive spending bills and regulations in order to destroy the economy of the United States. When Obama opens his mouth to say, “Bush made the first bailout.” Let me point that Hank Paulson, former Sec’y of Treasury under Bush, was formerly CEO of Goldman Sachs.
    Paulson, with the help of Timothy Geithner and Bernanke, convinced Bush that the sky was falling. The sky only fell, because Obama has deliberately collapsed our economy. PROOF: Unemployment is still at an all-time high, just the way Obama wants it. He is a Socialist/Marxist moving toward Dictatorship. He is attempting to destroy capitalism for Americans who want the American dream. Look at the Gulf; Look at unemployment; Look at Arizona..and take a better look at Amam Rauf, the Islamic leader who insists on locating a mosque near Ground Zero in New York City. This mosque is a Symbol of Conquest in tribute to the Hi-Jackers of 9/11. I call it, “IN YOUR FACE, AMERICA!” — approved by Barack Obama.
    Americans, see you at the polls on November 2nd. We will take over the House and the Senate. We will repeal all of the bills shoved down our throats.
    Delores Smith Delores109@cox.net

    • Bob Wire

      well, you surely are a salty anti obama person.

      Obama is not for this mosque! Obama is for freedom to worship. His job requires him to hold this position. In no way can he openly oppose the building of this “Mosque” So why don’t you get “real” Delores?

      I detest the notion of it’s location and the people that wish to build it myself. I understand and share your anger.

      It’s for the local government to decide such matters. And that where you as an American should focus and the battle should be, and not at the White House!

      You know under normal conditions Presidents don’t dictate local matters. So why are you suggesting Obama would be permitted to affect local matters regardless how controversial.

      I’d say with 350 pieces of legislation blocked by Senate GOP that addressing the economy and unemployment, it is Senate Republicans that are enjoying high unemployment and not the administration.

      Who’s got the most to gain for this? ~ Obama or the GOP and hopes of midterm gains? Hope the rest of the nation sees things as you do.

      The GOP plays to it’s base ~ you and people like you. They want the economy to fail! They want Americans to hurt and suffer and blame the administration.

      They have no plans and don’t know hope to things better but they are good at making things worse.

      350 pieces of Legislation! ~ One would think at the very least 20% worthy of GOP consideration as all passed Congress with a majority vote.

      • tg7357

        Want to bet Obama is for the mosque? The only reason he’s shut his mouth about it for the present is bacause if he comes out and publicly advocates it, he’s going to torpedo his own party in the November elections, if he hasn’t done so already with his open-mouth-insert-foot of the other day.
        Oh, Obama is all for that mosque; it will fit in well with his apology-tour to the Middle East and Europe from the first part of his regime. it will make a nice touch for his Muslim brothers to build it and put a commemorative plaque on it with his name.

      • ricardo maxwell

        What are you the chief Obama apologist and defender here?
        Now we hear the parts of the ground zero “Hamamosque” Imam’s book were worked into Obama’s Cairo speech. USS Cole bomber prosecution halted, NASA’s mission changed to Muslim outreach, etc… etc… etc….
        Obama is for the mosque alright, just like he said. The community organizer in chief often opens his mouth and speaks his mind before his handlers can stop him.

        • Bob Wire

          Well just how big in lower Manhattan ? I don’t agree with the President yet I understand the nature of his statement. He’d been miles ahead on the national political scene if he’d not weighed in on this. But there is other scenes besides America.

          You and I see no need to consider since we are not the President. This is more a conflict of position and not so much of interest.

          Let’s go over what he actually said.” But let me be clear. As a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.”

          hmm? as a Citizen I don’t agree but as the President I would agree.

          Now pay attention here, it’s important that you do.

          BHO is voices American values and principals and saying, They have the “right” with conditions ~ private property and in accordance with local laws and ordinances”

          So what does that mean? ~ It’ means they must buy the land , which means someone must sell the land. And if you think local law and ordinances are going to be easy ~ you’ve got much to learn about city government and building codes. ~ If they ever do build it, it will be one expensive son of buck! ~ and like the twin towers it too can fall down.

          What I hear is a President saying what he had to say, while giving everyone the heads up about what must happen to prevent it.

          Now , you might not see it this way ~ but you must understand the nature of politics. You can’t always address things head on and expect to be successful.

          Much like this sb1070, ~ it a head on approach to attacking illegal immigration by giving Government more rights and each of us having less personal liberties in the process.

          There is a time and place for head-on assaults, neither of these issue will be best resolved in this manner.

          Understand , it’s okay for you to be anger and disagree. ~ Register your strong displeasure. That’s what you are suppose to do.

          Consider it a trial balloon test, a float, no float test.

          But what many have done, is taking this as some kind of validation to rumors.

          I just ask you to consider the best approach to kill this construction project.

          What grounds can be brought forward to resisted it? ~ It’s clear the Muslim Community is insensitive to most Americans feeling.

          So what’s new? ~ You think this alone might stop this project? They don’t think like us, don’t expect them too.

          and more over ~

          The Presidents can’t be seen as “appearing” to run the Nation on “Feeling” bias or otherwise.

          I’m not trying to defend or change your mind ~ I’m wanting effective opposition to engage this issue.

          • Al Sieber

            Bob Liar, that’s their trophy,after the World Trade Center attack, they build a Mosque to their victory.

          • Claire

            Bob Wire–I do not approve of a mosque near Ground Zero. I think the muslims have a “method to their madness” and I am highly suspicious. And as the days go by, I hear more and more names of people that are supporting this mosque. This is what really bothers me. I think Obama should have kept his dang mouth shut about the issue. He just added more fuel to “his” own “roasting.” Everyone needs to find out all the names of the people that are supporting this mosque. And what about the Democrats AND the Republicans that do not say anything about the mosque? I am still digging.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            barbwire,
            why don’t you just tell the truth, HE VOTED “PRESENT” AGAIN!!!!

          • Bob Wire

            I lie not Joe , You hear only what you wish to hear.

            You would be well served to listen better and read better.

            The Navel engagement that sent the PT 109 to the bottom was well documented with supporting witness testimony. McCain heroic lost of one war bird was not so much so. ~ But read into it what you wish, that’s what’s expected of you.

            Myself I question McCain’s judgment and ability to follow protocol and proven methods. Especial after divorcing a wife laying in a hospital bed to marry up to wealth and the copiousness nature he ran his campaign. Like his butt was on fire. His answer to the Hillary Threat, was to go get himself a prettier woman, Not to mention the Keating 5 adventure and influence peddling

            McCain has developed quit a track record that stands on it own. You only need to look at it to see he’s an opportunist and don’t think things through very far. Pretty much the reason he got blown out of the sky.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            And the President statement was in line with policy and rule of law.

            They “can build” if they can “comply” and “buy” ~ those are any Americans obstacles if they wish to build.

            There is nothing in the law books about the “rights” of public sentiment toward religions.

            Warm and fuzzy, feel good ideas is not what any President is expected to address.

            Let them pay top dollar to build the thing ~ and see how long it stands.

            There is just some things that not for public discussion JOE.

            But I know ~ it’s a lot more fun to attack the president!

            We didn’t have all these people come to our shores in droves until the Bushes ~ and their business ties and two wars did we?

          • Bob Wire

            I agree Claire, I wish he’d kept his dang mouth shut too!

            But don’t confuse the statement as “support”

            He’s not just a citizen as you and I, and his words must be measured inside a framework of position and law.

            Where you are I Claire can say, to “Heck”! with the law,

            We don’t like it and don’t approve of it and don’t want to look at Disney Land Palace against all the modern structure of the 20th and 21st Century in downtown Manhattan.

            We don’t won’t to hear crying foreign languages walling over a PA system three times a day for the rest of our lives and see people on their hands and knees and butt in the air on a thier magic carpet!

            We can say, We feel a if this dishonors the dead. We can say, we don’t like the sons of b1tches.

            but

            Obama can’t say such things.

        • Smilee

          He said he was he was for their Constitutional right to build it and yes even at this location, he never gave personal preference or presidential preference as to weather he was for or again this location only they had that right. He clarified it the next day after his words the night before were taken out of context by so many reading that into his statement and using their take on it and not his. Unless you can read his mind no one knows.

          • Claire

            To all–I still think it is important for us to find out the names of EVERYONE who is supporting/promoting the building of this mosque. I think it will be an eye-opener.

          • Claire

            I am thankful I do not hear that wailing on a PA system day in and day out. Sad.

          • Claire

            Like I said before, put that mosque on Alcatraz.

  • Bob Wire

    Hmm? ~

    Changes are needed no doubt. But it seems like every time something is changed we pay more in the end. ~ Your allowed something at one end only to have it taken from you at the other end of the deal.

    Flat tax and user fees might be worth a hard look.

    You pay for what you use. ~

    The present system ~ doesn’t work well at all and forces people to defend themselves in many ways.

    I have a family member that is like myself self employed with a sickly wife and can’t afford major medical.

    The County offers a program for such people to where it provides health care for an amount he can pay.

    But! He can only make so much per year to be offered the program.

    He can only show something like 14000.00 per year.

    Now 14 thousand per year is not very much money ~ But neither is 24 thousand.

    A family is left in quite a quandary! ~ As you might buy health care coverage for 6 thousand a year (if they will sell it to you) and even then, this is not guaranteed full coverage or 100% coverage!

    After almost losing a 21 year old daughter to some kind of food poison last year , it was touch and go, her life hung in a balance for 2 1/2 weeks in ICU. And a hospital bill of 97 thousand dollars ~ they are very sensitive to matters of health care.

    ~ Disproportion and disparity is common place these days.

    Bottom line ~ We all need to make more to pay “SomeOne” their Lions share. ~ But the labor market will only bear what it is, as supple and demand dictates.

    It appears to be a matter of how many people can be Milked dry to How many Lions that are out there. Lots of lions and lots of people.

    I suppose, when the Lion’s have nothing left to eat ~ things will change.

  • Bluebird1995

    What most people forget that this Socialism of the US all started back when Social Security was started and continued with the start of welfare. Reagon stopped it and started backing it up while he was in office. Bush 1 kept it from advancing, but he couldn’t back it up any. Clinton got it started again. Bush 2 was too busy keeping the country safe from terrorists to stop this Socialism from growing. Obama is just the current band leader. With both Houses and the President being Democrat, they were able to scratch quite a few items off of their wish list.
    We need to consider THAT when we vote this next November.
    Republicans tend to believe that people should keep as much of their earnings as possible so that they can take care of themselves, their family, and their needy neighbors.
    Democrats tend to believe that everyone should give their money to the Government and let the Government decide who needs help.
    There are good and bad people on both sides, but that is the general thought process. Personally I will take a Republican over a Democrat any day.

  • jopa

    Why is it the conservatives are always trying to take credit for Clintons success as a president saying they controlled the house and senate and now they blame him for the Glass Steagal Act repeal?I believe he was just trying to make thr republicans happy and how did it ever get to his desk for signing?

    • ricardo maxwell

      Correct. EVERYONE who had a hand in passing this legislation is suspect for criticism. However, it wasn’t responsible for the housing bubble or all our economic woes today.
      Read this:
      http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/2189196/clinton-democrats-are-to-blame-for-the-credit-crunch.thtml

      • Smilee

        That was written in Oct 08 eight years after Clinton and it ignores all that the eight years of Bush with six years of a republican congress and two years of a split congress and the senate only had a l vote majority and the republicans filibustered attempts by the dems to make changes but for six years after Clinton the republicans could have corrected anything they did not like about Clinton but what is so funny is now the same people accuse Obama of still blaming Bush after only 19 months and before the mess he left can be fully cleaned up.

  • Mark

    Boys and Girls

    When the end come and it is coming, all this noise about its the D fault Its the Rs
    fault will be a Mute point…..
    It will matter NOT what the R or D has done. All that will matter is if you have
    accepted Christ as your personal saviour..

    ALL have sinned and Fall short of GODS glory..

    If your the type who feels he’s a good person and that all good people go to heaven.
    My friend you couldn’t be more Wrong… That TV christianity TV shows TEACH us to
    think this way… It Teaches that everyone when they DIE go to heaven….

    No where in the BIBLE does it State this … NO WHERE!!!!

    What it does say is that each of us as individuals MUST come to Christ and confess
    to him we are sinners and that we NEED Christ in our lives That we believe he came
    and Died to save us from our SIN…..

    I am the way the truth and the Life, No man comes to the father but by ME… This is Christ speaking… My friends Satan is working hard to destroy us in this world we live and the end is coming. Are you Ready?

    John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD that he gave us his one and only SON Jesus
    That whosoever believe in him will have Ever lasting LIfe with him…

    Being a Good Person is NOT a bad thing but it will Not secure your eternity with the Father…
    Remember, The LOVE of money is the ROOT to all sorts of Evil in this world..

    Find time in your life to turn to GOD and accept his Son.. In the end THIS is all that will matter…
    Mark

    • vicki

      Tis not the love of money that the root be. It is the love of power.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    chip what you and he both forgot was that anywhere along the way he will at a whim will change the rules and double the percentage upward like 15%% to 39% like the 4o1k. because how do you fight the feds? I put away $400,000 in a 401 it grew to 700,000 and the government wants 39% or more. at that rate they will probably raise it to 90%. I just retired and obama wants to tax me like I am a multimillonaire. he also wants to take most of my social security away from me. He wants to cut the medicare and reduce what is covered by it so he can give it to the illegal alliens who can walk in to a hospital and get the cadilac treatment on my dime. obama wants votes so he gives to the potential voters (illegal alliens) my hard earned benifits. I paid ss and mecicare , but i get it in the shorts and they become kings. that is why i believe in the second admendment the right to keep and bear arms. our founding fathers wanted us to be able to throw off an intolerable government, and what would you call this government today? do you think tyranny might fit the bill? I have a lot more to say but if what I have said is not enough then nothing will ever be enough.

    i

    • Smilee

      Where did you get your bullcrap tax information??????

    • Lewis Munn

      I sympathize. I an widowed, live alone in a sorta good but old house, needing much repair. Obama now is taking away 25% of my SS to take care of illegal aliens. And the government is forcing in the name of Greening something that our electric bills need to go up 600%.
      That leaves me no money left for food. Or medicine.

      I hear the government will be by soon to offer the services of a certified poisoner to dispatch me as a liability to society! Not sure my grandchildren will understand!

      Under Obama, the rewards for being a good citizen seem rather piddling, compared to what he gets for doing as he is doing in the Presidency.

      I think this is part of a plan to break communications between generations so the new generation will not really know how it was back before the government got into high gear!

    • Al Sieber

      RobertPP, I hate to say this, but, you’re gonna lose it through hyperinflation unless you take some precautions.

    • Al Sieber

      RobertPP, you’re right about the 2 amendment, protect your property, before you become one else’s.

  • Deanna

    I started my own small business this past March as a sole proprietor. I have to work twice as hard to maintain the living I had as an employee – because I give 40% of my earnings to the Government. And I get nothing in return – other than the knowledge that I’m supporting millions of Americans who would rather not work. Whoo-hoo! Gotta love America!

    • Bob Wire

      Deanna ! good for you!

      so you are claiming 60% !

      I’ve started thinking about that every time I write an invoice or proposal.

      I’m in charge of the pencil ~ You have pencil privileges too!

      Use them ~ !

      and keep up the good fight!

      You are the captain of your ship ~ It’s up to you where it goes, what it carries and how long it’s out.

      Sometimes I make more by sitting on the couch and letting a day or two pass.

      • Al Sieber

        Bob Wired, thats nice of you to let Deanna use your pencil, if I was her I’d use the other end of the pencil, the eraser, and erase your “smart ass” liberal comments.

        • Bob Wire

          If I’m to be the “smart ass” here

          what does that make you, Al the dumb ass or just Gloomy Gus with little encouragement and nothing civil to say and unrelenting personal attacks.

          Why don’t you work at elevation your posting some with rational thought instead of snide remakes , cat calls and childish word play.

          I can play ‘that” game much better then you can Al. However, I really don’t think we should go there in respect for Mr Livingston’s forum and other readers time.

          ““This Is Why There Are No Jobs in America” by my good friend Porter Stansberry. ” Hmm ? Thanks Chip ~ I’ll read it.

          and to you I offer;

          ” American Sucker” by David Denby

          “A memoir about midlife crisis in the age of irrational exuberance, American Sucker is frank, deeply reflective and exquisitely written ~ Denby’s losses, however painful and large, are our gain.
          jeff jensen Entertainment weekly.

          “David Denby’s memoir of his foray in the stock market bubble is enthralling , poignant and at times painful. It’s filled with fascinating characters who were swept up in the boom, such a Henry Blodget and Sam Waksal. But the most fascinating character of all was Denby himself, who records with brutal honesty the personal and financial turmoil he encountered”
          ~ Walter Isaacson, author of “Ben Franklin; An American Life

  • Gene

    Bob,
    I hear what you’re saying, but in all reality, I’m afraid it’s too late for this world. The world is in decay. GOD said that he will destroy the earth again because he knew the world would never change. True some will be saved. Some will make it to Heaven, but most will go to Hell. As GOD stated in the bible, “the road to Heaven is narrow while the road to Hell is wide”.

  • http://www.charter.net James Graham

    This took Guts (although it shouldn’t have)
    This is absolutely great ! ! !

    A Pastor with GUTS!

    Thought you might enjoy this interesting
    Prayer given in Kansas at
    The opening session of their Senate. It seems
    Prayer still upsets some
    People.. When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open
    The new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but this is

    What they heard:

    Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask
    Your forgiveness and to seek your direction and
    Guidance. We know Your Word says, ‘Woe to those
    Who call evil good,’ but that is exactly what we
    Have done.

    We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed
    Our values.

    We have exploited the poor and called it
    The lottery.

    We have rewarded laziness and called it
    Welfare..

    We have killed our unborn and called it
    Choice.

    We have shot abortionists and called it
    Justifiable.

    We have neglected to discipline our
    Children and called it
    Building self esteem….

    We have abused power and called it
    Politics.

    We have coveted our neighbor’s possessions
    And called it
    Ambition.

    We have polluted the air with profanity and
    Pornography and called it
    Freedom of expression.

    We have ridiculed the time-honored values
    Of our forefathers and called it
    Enlightenment.

    Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts
    Today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
    Amen!

    The response was immediate. A number of
    Legislators walked out during the prayer in
    Protest. In 6 short weeks, Central Christian
    Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, logged more than
    5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those calls
    Responding negatively. The church is now receiving
    International requests for copies of this prayer
    From India , Africa and Korea .

    Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on
    His radio program, ‘The Rest of the Story,’and
    Received a larger response to this program than any
    Other he has ever aired.

    With the Lord’s help, may this prayer sweep
    Over our nation and wholeheartedly become our
    Desire so that we again can be called
    ‘one nation under God.’

    If possible, please pass this prayer on to
    Your friends…. ‘If you don’t stand for something,
    You will fall for everything.’

    Think about this: If you forward this
    Prayer to everyone on your
    E-mail list, in less than 30 days it would be
    Heard by the world.

    How many people in your address book will
    Not receive this prayer…..
    Do you have the guts to pass it on?

    • Smilee

      That sounds more like a political speech as it no way a prayer! Shame on this pastor!!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Those Kansas legislators who walked out should have just kept right on walking. They’re obviously not fit to carry the trust of their constituents. By the way, I believe that shooting abortion doctors is justifiable. I don’t give a damn if it’s “legal” or not. Concentration camps were legal under German Law. Was killing a camp guard or exucutioner justifiable / I’d love for someone to answer that question.

      • Bob Wire

        yea , I remember when it happened.

        I find such a prayer most appropriate for the occasion and I don’t really care much for public praying. But I take acceptance to this “meat & potato” prayer. I fail to see it qualifying as demagoguery.

        Know the truth and it will make you whole, even if it makes you sick and offends the senses in the process.

        This Pastor Wilson ~ I hope to hear more from.

    • Claire

      I have belonged to my Lutheran church for over 40 years. During that entire time when I was at church no pastor ever brought up politics. There are 3-4 pastors at my church, and they alternate giving the sermon.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Claire,
        The glaring difference is this was not in a church, it was in a state legislature. A minister is supposed to minister to his gathering. He did so very eloquently!!!!

        • Claire

          JoeH–Glaring difference, yes. My comment was simply a generalization. I was thinking of Rev. Wright and pastors like him that include politiics in their sermons. And it makes me wonder about their “Christianity.”

          • Bob Wire

            I agree with you Claire, ~ but this is a difference Rev Wright then the one you are thinking of and offered as a precursor to a political assemble.

            Church’s administer to the soul and government to body is my thinking as well.

  • http://www.charter.net James Graham

    : OBAMA`S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT

    VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT

    AP – WASHINGTON D.C. -
    In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications
    for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has
    Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental
    College. Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under
    the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from
    Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental
    College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in
    the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro)
    applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students
    from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the
    scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
    This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of
    Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was
    first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US
    citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm
    at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s
    legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, “Obama
    Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may
    overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a
    related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice
    Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear
    arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a
    case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual
    citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is
    just one of 18 suits brought by citizens d
    emanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as
    president.

    Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the
    results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study
    estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the
    past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block
    disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the
    investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to
    the U..S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment
    on the matter…

    LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T !

    Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?

    While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama
    birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the
    issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport
    did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
    without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the
    price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

    And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta ,
    and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs
    and Immigration?

    The American people not only deserve to have answers to these
    questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s
    citizenship a rather short and simple one.

    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
    A : Yes, by his own admission.

    Q: What passport did he travel under?
    A: There are only three possibilities.
    1) He traveled with a U.S… Passport,
    2) He traveled with a British passport, or
    3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
    A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S… State
    Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

    Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling
    either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

    If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide
    proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he
    claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend
    to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held,
    British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in
    1967.

    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know
    how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and
    2008..

    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as
    illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan
    he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the
    better.

    If you Don’t care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen
    and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, and then lower your
    American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on
    life-support, and won’t survive much longer.

    If you do care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as
    you can, because our country is being looted and ransacked!

    • Smilee

      Jimmie

      Just more unproven bullcrap, your post is nothing more that a bunch of lies, give it up, you will never win this argument as the truth is not with you, in fact it is against you!!

    • vicki

      Smilee is correct. This is old (false) data.
      http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned.htm

      Try something new and factual please.

      • http://html terry_mp

        Vickie says “try something new and factual please.” Apparently Vickie has valid proof of Obama’s citizenship. Very well Vickie please show us the valid documants that you claim to possess. Problem sovlved and no furthur conversation on the issue is necessary.

        P.S. don’t keep us waiting too long. Do it NOW.

  • Bob Wire

    wide is the path and narrow is the way

    yes, ~ it’s much like 300 million people trying to thread your needle for you.

  • http://thesilentmajorityunites.com J.E. “KIRT” KIRTLEY

    I retired from the military in 1973. In retirementI became a Certified Property Manager.

    I was successful in owning and operating my own business for 18 years.

    My greatest competitor and the most ardent business enemy was the GOVT all levels.

    KIRT

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Kirt: I do know what you mean. I’m a small Oil producer. I have to deal with gvt. on all levels from local to the feds. For each well I drill there is 18 pages of paper work I must do then wait 2 months to get a permit. All they do is through pit falls in the way with there hand out for money every step. Then when it’s all done I get the privilage of handing over about 50% of my profits.
      “We’re from the gvt. and we just want to help you.”

  • http://jgraf@scottsbluff.net James Graf

    The sad part in all this. A lot of people do not want to believe whats happening. And whats going to happen.

  • http://gratisbooks.com Richard R. Tryon

    Hi Chip, you have reported correctly.

    Who says I have to hire anyone? Can’t we just lease our space, equipment, technology to others. Let them run their own business and pay me a percentage of expense?

    Of course, they will also pay themselves so that company profit is zero. That leaves them paying all those self-employment taxes,etc.and personal income tax.

    Still sounds like this will be best if it happens off shore? Maybe the output can be barter exchanged and not have a known value.

    Then again, those rascals knocking down doors at night sort of makes you prefer being one of those entitled to benefits instead of working for them.

  • eddie47d

    Chip, I didn’t care for your new picture with your head shaved and that awful cigar! Have a good one.

  • DaveS

    Where else in the world can a person be as successful as we can in America?

  • psutopgun

    It is no secret this administration is the biggest road block to a recovery. They don’t care that millions are suffering because their goal is to collapse the economy and discredit Capitalism. Can anyone spell impeachment!

    • Smilee

      Only in your dreams, Only in your dreams!!!

      • Bob Wire

        I guess he’s not familiar with the Senate?

        • Al Sieber

          BobW, both parties are bought and paid for, and, are Obama “Boot Licker’s”, like you!!

          • Bob Wire

            Al ~ that you would even say such a thing ~ telling me you are a foolish man with a lot of time on his hand and a PC.

            You stand down and cease your attack and I will cease to defend.

            You attack and I will defend ~ it’s that simple.

            I find much wrong with government today and find much more wrong with you and your twisted views on how to correct it.

            It’s not Rocket Surgery!

            If you were near, I’d love to give you an attitude adjustment and show you those thousand points of light Bush was telling us about.

            You need to grow some more, the better part of you must have ran down your mother leg.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    conserative at birth it started with roosevelt teddy who created the federal reserve.

    • Al Sieber

      RobertPP, that was Woodrow Wilson, the president after T. Roosevelt.

  • ricardo maxwell

    “Commonsense says:
    August 27, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Businesses that are S-Corps, LLC’s or Partnerships pay no income taxes at all they file what is commonly referred to a pass through income tax form which determines what portion of the profits the owners must declare on their personal income tax forms usually form 1040 and is the equivalent of wages or dividends. How do I know I file one every year and the business never has to pay income taxes, but to hear conservatives say it we are raising income taxes on small businesses when in fact there is no such tax. So much of conservative rhetoric is misleading or outright false, but many on here don’t get that.”
    Don’t know what planet this poster is from but he/she was apparently educated in our govt schools.
    If you add the profit from your sub S or LLC to your personal tax return IT INCREASES THE TOTAL TAXES YOU PAY! The conservative rhetoric as you call it is absolutely correct.

    • Smilee

      So whats your point when you add your wages, dividends, interest etc. to your personal tax form it increases the taxes you pay also, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO INCLUDE ALL THE PROFITS IF YOU EXPAND OR REINVEST IT INTO YOUR BUSINESS, YOUR TAXED ONLY ON WHAT YOU RECEIVED AS PERSONAL INCOME FROM THE BUSINESS, your so ignorant. What a stupid response and you would have done better even in a government school, where did you go to school anyhow!!

      • ricardo maxwell

        My point is that these small businesses do pay taxes, contrary to what the poster says. in addition, adding these small businesses to one’s tax return kicks them up into the “target” bracket of the current anti-capitalist neoCommunist out of control federal govt.
        The small independent business represent a real threat to a totalitarian Marxist state. Large businesses are ready and willing to pay the bribes necessary to stay alive and comply with the state.
        Businesses that make a profit are taxed, period. Any statement that contradicts that is pure fiction. And who in their right mind would invest a penny with these thugs in power?
        Ohio U Ohio State Yale how about you smart guy?

        • Smilee

          Your totally lacking in knowledge of tax laws, the business income tax forms for these businesses never require the business itself to pay one penny of taxes and that is why it is referred to as a pass through tax form. The individual that owns the business only pays taxes on the monies they actually receive as personal income from the business this is no different that wages on your W-2, I receive a K-1 from the business showing my personal income from the business. Too bad the far right wing propaganda machine has so confused you to this reality. It is you who is fabricating pure fiction. YOU SEEM LIKE SUCH A CONFUSED PERSON WITH ALL YOUR BULLCRAP ALLEGATIONS!!!!

      • ricardo maxwell

        Speaking of education, please explain “…your so ignorant.”
        Even my crappy govt school (they were much better in the 50′s and 60′s when I attended, btw), taught us the difference between your and you’re!
        I recommend that, before you push the submit button, you should proof read your comment. This assumes that you know the difference, for example, between your and you’re

        • Smilee

          Ricardo

          ROTFL; I attended school in the forties and fifties and was in college in the early sixties, NEVER ASSUME IT REVEALS YOUR IGNORANCE, you should have paid more attention when you were in school!!

        • Kinetic1

          Ricardo,
          My first post called others to task for grammatical errors and racist language. I too suggested proofreading before posting, but failed to notice one or two instances where I had used “to” instead of “too”. I was called on my errors and told that the folks here are more interested in sharing thoughts than proof reading. I still believe that there are some posters here whose thoughts are lost in a sea of poor grammar, misspellings and mixed metaphors, and I could even call you on a few punctuation errors, but I think we’re all past that now.

          As for the tax issue, we may need to define “taxes”. Yes, all companies pay taxes of one sort or another, but you can’t say that they all pay their faire share. Off shore offices, multi tiered businesses selling to each other, creative accounting, etc. allow many companies to pay far less than they cost our nation in infrastructure use.

          • Bob Wire

            well the grammar police can have a field day with my dyslexia if they so choose. I enjoy such attacks as it shows “us” they are attempting to change the subject and have little to come back with.

            We are not Woods, not getting paid to write and this is informal writing at best.

            But on a side note; I appreciate correction and do work to improve in both content and writing skills. But the dyslexia faded in and out. I can proof it several times and still over look typo’s, errors and omissions.

            Needless to say, I’m most tolerant of others and always looking for the message.

          • Al Sieber

            Bob W, if you’re always looking for the message how come you don’t get it?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Al,
            Here, Here!!!!

          • Al Sieber

            Joe H, here, here, I’ll buy you a beer….

          • Bob Wire

            I think I get it, you think we should burn down the barn to get rid of the rats and expect “today’s America” to be governed with the same laws that was in place prior to 1911.

            I’ve never addressed it because it’s an absurd notion and would only be possible at great cost and human suffering. Not to mention, placing America and her interest in harms way as the balance of world power would shift to our disadvantage.

            I get the message ~ you don’t like dominion and was born 200 years too late.

            I’m a Pirate of sorts myself, I understand your feeling. I wish we’d both been born 200 years ago.

            But I don’t see your desires inside your reach, short of Anarchy .

            Freedom is another word, for nothing to loose. I’ve got family to protect, women and children, property.

            I don’t want to be required to live behind walls and get into the business of building my own personal standing army. Having to run armed convoy for supplies or rustle up water or plan attacks to loot and pillage threatening forces and defend turf.

            I’ve experienced such a life style, while I was good at it and thrived well, (three bronze stars and 4 ranks in 12 months) I didn’t have the entourage and responsibilities I do today. It was just me and my Buds, war dogs, facing still ~ dominion of a different sort.

            You are not getting out of here alive , so relax, chill out, gain some perspective and understand “Your Time” is the most valuable thing you have and what you have the most control of.

            How do you wish to spend it?

            You can’t do “everybody’s job” for them and yours too.

            It’s up to you to find reasons to be “Happy” ~ it’s not my job or anyone else’s job to make you happy.

            If you want a Soldier of Fortune life style, go for it Sir. ~ The country you live in supports such activities, but at entry level you can expect dominion, otherwise you are just a loose cannon on a pitching deck and a hazard to everyone around you, a Rambo, a man wronged by the system and gone rouge for justice.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    grumpy and daveh the the constitution says that the federal government can not make a direct tax on the people. the states are the only ones who can levy a direct tax on the people. that is why the states were superior to the federal government. why do you think the north fought a civil war? power and taxes. check it out.

    • Smilee

      Robert

      Your totally lacking in your knowledge of the Constitution, your statements are blatantly false. Maybe you should try reading the Constitution before you shoot your mouth off.

      • DaveH

        Ditto, Sleepee.
        Maybe, Sleepee, you could provide us with references for your accusations?

        • Smilee

          davie

          If you understood the constitution you would not have to ask, there is more than one part that contradicts his statements,Try reading it and see if you can figure it out.

          • DaveH

            Sleepee,
            What’s the matter? You can’t back up your accusation, Sleepee? No surprise there.

          • Smilee

            Why bother, it is beyond your ability to comprehend and just a waste of my time, your not worth bothering with!!!

  • Frank D. Harrisson

    Chip; there is another side to this coin also, what ever happened to the Tinkerer? You know, the inventor in his own back yard? The person or persons who come up with an enterprising idea from within their garage or basement? People like the Wright Brothers, Harley and Davidson, Edison, Bell, Evinrude, and Ford? How about the oldies like Jefferson, Franklin, Fulton, Baldwin, Biltmore, Carver, Winchester, and Remington, For the simple fact that once one has gone to the point where the idea may take off the government comes on board and destroys one’s incentive and that says to me I do not need this and the promise dies on the vine. Sure there are new models made today but really they are a makeover from existing or hashed over inventions and some of them are new but they are done by the government or large corporations. There was a day when we were the greatest and most prominent nation for inventions by individuals or tinkerers now look, where are they? The old sage “Necessity is the mother of invention” and today no one can make a profit or even a living on it so why bother.

    • vicki

      The entrepreneur is still there. Look at the successes of individual inventors making IPhone applications and or Android applications.

      It’s hard with the big bully sitting on your back but it is still done.

  • Raggs

    That said it all….

  • Roxan

    MY FIXES FOR THE ECONOMY:

    1. I’ve been constantly alerting other people and been writing to politicians and the acting prez at the time- ever since the Bush-Kerry comment to end: NAFTA (N. American Free Trade Agreement), CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement), GATT (General Agreement on Trade/Tarrifs) and the WTO (World Trade Organization).

    It wouldn’t hurt to get after the: Chambers of Commerces, Rotary Clubs and Commonwealths across this nation as well as addressing some of these phoney-baloney ECONOMISTS like Mankiw, Tom Friedman who pushed this outsourcing agenda….With people like these, who needs enemies?

    as a result of all this.>

    2. The tax breaks/loopholes MUST be ended for EVERY business who: Offshores, outsources and hires Visa Workers and Illegal Aliens!

    3. Employers must use E-VERIFY!

    4. There must be a moratorium on our immigration rates: How is it we already have so many unemployed/underemployed legal citizens and yet the business world is enticing more immigrants to pour in (enticed with green cards) and social services?

    5. FEDERAL RESERVE/BANKSTERS: When this noose be removed from our necks by all these cowardly politicians of (BOTH PARTIES)????

    When will these Banksters who intentionally ripped off our nation be treated like MADOFF? What makes these Banksters so special? And then, they were rewarded with handsome bonuses?

    6. Reinstate GLASS-STEAGALL.

    7a. CUT OFF ALL EMPLOYMENT AND SOCIAL SERVICES TO ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!! Revise the 14TH AMENDMENT. It was never supposed to apply to those born to Illegal Aliens.

    7b. End BIRTH TOURISM as well. No more of this “automatic jackpot” baby nonsense.

    OTHER MEASURES TO HELP OUR ECONOMY:

    8. End the tax exemptions of ALL churches who push the ILLEGAL ALIEN AGENDA.
    8b. The same applies to ALL foundations and non-profits such as: La Raza, MEChA, LULAC, MALDEF, etc.

    9. Heavily tax all REMITTENCE MONEY (to include ALL participating banks, businesses and wiring services).

    10. Heavily penalize EVERY business that hires ILLEGAL ALIENS and has them hanging around their businesses (especially Home Depot).

    11. Send Visa Wokers and Illegal Aliens home!

    12. No more FREE cars/gas/nuisance fees for Goverment people.

    13. Make oil companies in California pay extraction fees. (other states do).

    14a. SCHOOLS (ALWAYS WHINING FOR MORE MONEY)–SOLUTION: Rid the schools of ILLEGAL ALIENS (to include ending their FREE food-Free breakfasts/lunches) and end the DREAM ACT.
    14b. Force the schools to bill the parents of every Non-English-speaking student)…..Bill the nation of origin for services rendered to Illegal aliens.
    14c. End the RECONQUISTA/AZTLAN agenda in our schools across this nation (usually taught by chapters of La Raza, MEChA, etc).—-This RECONQUISTA/AZTLAN is to reclaim the Mexican territory of the states from: CA to CO and TX.

    Well, that’s a start anyway.

  • Roxan

    Correction on 12: End the FREE cars/gas and the nuisance fees that go along with the car (that we usually get dinged with) but the politicians get to escape these costs.

    Finally, I would like to mention the MSM (Mainstream Media’s) role in all this. They are NEVER or SELDOM mention any of this.

    I haven’t heard any MSM (when they talk about the job situation) ever bring up the subject of NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and the WTO….But then again, they almost never mention anything else that might be important that would actually inform the citizenry of what is really going on…They would rather just derisively call the public (Joe 6-Pack) and keep the citizenry in the dark like mushrooms.

    Because of the MSM role in all this, I suspect this is why the people in Nazi Germany for the most part never knew the extent of what was going on until it got really bad. The same applies to Stalinist Russia and here we are, in the same exact boat.

  • chuckel

    I did not read every comment that was written. However the few I did read were predictably left wing long winded Bush bashing. If I am not completely mistaken I believe that the Congress, from 2008 to 2010, was controlled by the left wing progressive party. Kind of a tuff push for Bush. But then who is keeping score.

    Obama will be ripe for the blame game that is bound to be played by the next administration….oh boy will he! Move forward stout hearts and to hell with what anyone says. Obama is pure, Obama is simple, on the a** of the people he is only a pimple.

    Rgards

    • ricardo maxwell

      Correction here chuckel. Dems took over at the 2006 elections, January 2007 Congress. They are in their fourth year of “remaking” America. Unfortunately, they are doing well because nobody is challenging their illegal and unconstitutional acts.

    • Bob Wire

      “If I am not completely mistaken I believe that the Congress, from 2008 to 2010, was controlled by the left wing progressive party. Kind of a tuff push for Bush”

      So Bush never met a bill he didn’t like? Or Congress and the Senate was bipartisan or Bush was “forced” to sign legislation he didn’t agree with.

      Which explanation do you prefer?

  • Roxan

    SOCIAL SECURITY: The pot should have been huge (with all the baby boomers coming on board) but between the government dipping its hands into the cookie jar along with people getting it (without contributing) and even foreigners (such as parents coming here whom their children are supposed to sponsor) getting it, I don’t think it will last much longer.

    EMPLOYERS: We need to pay attention to those who hire ILLEGAL ALIENS. Use E-VERIFY and end their tax loopholes. EMPLOYERS can be a solution or a problem and they shouldn’t be let off the hook when they turn out to be dishonest and unscrupulous.

  • http://gmail i41

    Frank Harrison, the reason there isn’t any shade tree tinkersare, the high browed as$wipes don’t like to see someone changing their own oil and filters, all housing devlopements have coventants on the hight of your grass the collor of your house,if you can fly the American flag. It all goes to control and permits. Now the smuck bastards in an agency want to decide what the rural farms and ranches look like and if there is machinery sitting out side. We have multilayered agencies that are sorry, overpaid. bastards. Their are people who actually need welfare and help, but go to the housing projects and see the oreo kids, welfare sluts, and the drug dealing sorry slug bastards who don’t support or take care of their spawn. Mention to any socialist democrap about going after the absentee fathers and the couch potato layed back mothers. Make the pair, both if able bodied, have employment at minium wage jobs, to pick up the tab for their creating life, and the tax payers cost. If the spoilty brats are going to be on moma and daddy’s insurance till 26, don’t let them vote they are not adults yet. If a welfare mother has more than 1 illegitamate children, neuter both the father and the mother, even if this is the first child with women, end the problem and there will be a more stable workers.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      unfortunately the people you mentioned vote and guess who they vote for?

      • Bob Wire

        Yukon Barbie ?

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Wrong BW, You don’t get a cookie. They vote for those who promise to give them more freebies at someone elses’s expense. We can only wish they’d vote for “Yukon Barbie”, but they will vote for the carpetbagger bitch from Ill. or the Marxist from Chicago.

          • Claire

            Geez–I am from Illinois, hope you don’t mean me!! All joking aside, I know a lot of people (women) here that really like Hillary. They were really honked off that Obama got the nomination. I don’t get it. I have tried to talk to these women but they get rather caustic about it so I don’t say anything. It is like beating a dead horse.

          • Bob Wire

            Yea Claire, Hillary was my personal selection as well. Lots of brains and a sweet behind, ornery as a sack of snakes and commitment that went far beyond self.

            Oh well ~ I’m exhausted from looking into my crystal ball, Que sera, sera

  • Roxan

    SUING AZ: The reason the government is suing AZ is because of the NAU (NORTH AMERICAN UNION)-the plan to merge: Canada, the U.S. and Mexico together.

    SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership)-the same agenda.

    NAFTA SUPERHIGHWAY: This road will begin in Mexico, through the U.S.. and into Canada….If you think the drug situation is bad now (especially in AZ where areas are off limits to legal citizens-but left curiously open to the drug runners), what’s this situation going to be like when this Highway is built? This would also bypass the longshoremen. They won’t be too happy about this.

    BOTH PARTIES/FALSE RIGHT-LEFT PARADIGM: The majority of BOTH PARTIES should have it clear by now whom they really serve. After all they BOTH (refuse to secure our borders/enforce our immigration laws). They BOTH signed the BANKSTER BAILOUTS (without reading the bills-loaded with earmarks). JOBS: They BOTH refuse to end NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and the WTO, etc, etc.

    Many politicians of BOTH parties belong to organizations such as the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission and some belong to the Skull/Bones Society and attend the Bohemian Grove and the Bilderberg meetings…..If any politician does this, they do NOT serve us, (we the U.S. legal citizenry).

    • Bob Wire

      Nice post Roxan,

      with the exception of the 1st item , We feel much alike.

      If they can’t clean it up maybe it’s time to send them a message.

      But I really hate to do that as much as I would to destroying a city of my enemy. As I know some innocent will also perish.

  • redneck

    In a first world country, everybody pays to have the rules enforced on everybody, and on the whole everybody benefits, some more than others from time to time.

    In a third world country, the upper class pays to have the rules enforced on others, and small entrepreneurs pay to avoid enforcement on them.

    America’s problem is that it has a first world middle class and a third world upper class.

    • Bob Wire

      There is a lot to what you are saying.

      Being in the service business for 40 years. There been times the wealthy appears to feel above being invoiced.

      I’m not exact sure how they arrived to such an attitude, it’s like, Hey! I’ve permitted you to work for me, what more do you want?

      Not all are that way, but a few.

      Many of The wealthy do feel immune to what the rest of us must contend with.

      I think perhaps the wealthy are coming under constant attack,as someone or something is always after their money, by hook or crook, lie cheat and steal, that this attitude is given fertile ground to grow.

      Now while I have little money and too am a victim of this ~ can you imagine how it might be if I was wealthy?

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    bob wire you forgot one very big thing bush had a dem congress that spent like a drunken sailor on leave. obama has had a dem congress and things got worse. and this year will colapse like a house of cards because obama it trying to double down on bush and his dem congress and will triple down if he can.

    • Smilee

      If they spent like drunken sailors it is only because Bush signed their laws, if he vetoed them they lacked the power to override his veto so it can be said he had eight years of control.

    • Bob Wire

      “bob wire you forgot one very big thing bush had a dem congress that spent like a drunken sailor on leave. obama has had a dem congress and things got worse. and this year will collapse like a house of cards because obama it trying to double down on bush and his dem congress and will triple down if he can”
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Robert, this has not being overlooked, that the 110th Congress supported the Administration. Do I fault them? Of course I do but I also recognize they were poorly organized and somewhat punch drunk after enduring 4 years of Bush’s razzal dazzle and had adopted a “go along to get along” mentality at that point, everyone seems to be on the “take” at BuBBa’s playhouse. They were use to seeing any opposition to status Quo get their heads chopped off. There was a lot of strong arming going on during Bush’s tenure, bullying, big dogging. People have a way of wanting to keep their jobs and positions.

      It was the same 110 congress with different members, and they had yet to shift gears and understand the true condition and the mood of the nation. Most all live in a Capital Hill Bubble. They are all bringing down big bucks and have little in common with the average American.

      And these new members have little power to lead or direct even if they did understand the need for change and the gravity the situation offered.

      But you are right, the 110th Congress can be held accountable and should be, along with the Senate where as later a November of 2008 President hopeful, a Senator McCain stood up and told the American people that “the Condition of the US economy was “fundamentally” sound”. And lastly, 43 had final say with veto powers.

      This debacle didn’t happen in one step or one session of Congress. It’s taken 30 years to come about. Every player are done his part, even 42 with the ratification and signing of NAFTA and then following administrations that allowed trade imbalance to go unchecked.

      Where were the checks and balances? Greenspan, Volker? ~ Did they have the power to demand the ear of the administration? Was the administration awake and on the button? I only remember Clinton, willing to shut the Fed down to make his will known. Maybe there has been others, I’d have to check.

      At the end of the day, it’s the big cheese that decides what becomes law and where the money goes. Obama will wear his record as 43 wears his. But for now, BHO has yet to make 18 months in office and the USS America is a huge ship to come about, requiring a lot of room and time to do so.

      I had to set back and except I was only a passenger during 43′s 8 year tenure. My b1tching about where we were going did little good and I only made some enemies, lost some customers and got into a few bar fights with a little gun play. I’m not pleased that history proves me correct, I’d love to have been wrong on this account.

      I’ve been wrong before, I supported Reagan and campaigned for him here in Texas as I wanted to believe. I was seriously disappointed, left only to take pride in a few things he did accomplished.

      I’ll not, be so easily to fooled again.

      • Al Sieber

        Bob Weird, the ship you’re calling the “USS America” is not turning around, it’s more like the Titanic with Obama at the helm. well Bob, we already hit the iceberg, guess what happens next? the USA burned, while Obama played the fiddle.

        • Bob Wire

          Well I understand your Gloomy Gus attitude , Seems everywhere you look, and see people are putting a turd in your plate and saying bon appétit!

          But the truth is ,since the first of the year GDP is up a whopping 3% according to Edward Jones who cites repeatable sources.

          That’s not much, but compared to 2008 it’s a whole lot!

          We have bottomed out and on the up swing. ~ Losses in unemployment has been abated.

          Once the GOP gets some power back and starts to play ball again ~things will continue to improve.

          NOW I must admit! I don’t see it in my landscape ~ this was one sucking years! ~ My residential business was off 85%. Almost non existent. That’s the average home owner with little means.

          I’ve made it is far and I know many that didn’t.

          I’ve been careful with only about 2 grand in outstanding, I don’t think I’ll ever collect.

          2 grand is a lot to me, make no mistake, but in the big picture, that’s not too bad for small business.

          • Al Sieber

            BW, I try to stay optimistic, but I don’t trust Govt., or politicians.

          • Bob Wire

            and you shouldn’t Al! ~ not trust the government we have today, yesterday or the many years prior.

            But Al you can’t trust anyone with large piles of money or your woman. Government or Private Interest without “contracts”, insurance and a mutual vested interest in a favorable outcome of “any” deal.

            These are the ingredients that makes any deal valid. ~ Myself I conduct most of my business on “Good Faith” and to be very candid with you, it is frighting at times. ~ You can easily get your throat cut on the tail end of any “deal” and 90% of the time that where your profit is, on the end.

            I do have some legal recourse by filing liens but time is money and it’s places small business in a major tail spend. A promised 14 day turn around has became a 28 day turn around and I feel lucky!

            All of us, are in much the same boat in this sense ~ we have to fight to get what was promised, agreed on and guaranteed to us. Your benefits, rights and privileges don’t come for the mere asking of them, where it’s government or an insurances company. Not if its a large sum of cash.

            I somehow managed to over paid my Federal Taxes one year and the IRS sent me a letter, telling me the balance would be applied to next years Taxes. Well the little woman of the house blew up! and called her DADDY! A few years prior We/ he had the good fortune of being awarded a Presidential Appointment by Reagan for fighting the long battle of getting the vote in here in Texas and helping him get elected.

            The check was in the mail in 3 days. Now if it had been up to just me or you, we’d never got that money back.

            There is thousands of examples how both government and big business skirts or postpone their responsibility’s.

            It is this “lack of responsibility” that needs address. ~ But simple “downsizing” government or business is not addressing this problem or assuring us any solution to the “lack of responsibility”.

            This is what I offer ~ the carrot and stick approach to responsibility. Irresponsibility needs to be a crime subject to penalties.

            There is no need to reinvent the wheel or throw the wheel away as a bad idea , just because it has failed us. We must make a better wheel, a better government.

            I’ve spent too much time here on the Forums and neglected many things that require my serious attention. Needless to say, I’ve enjoyed all of you and our sharing of view points as contrasting and heated as they may be.

            This will be my last posting for awhile and I hope you all continue the good fight and work to make the much needed improvements in our Federal Government system.

            Good Day,

            bw

  • Claire

    I am so sorry, this is totally off the subject but I need some input. Regarding the “eggs” scare, I heard it was the “chicken feed” that was given to the chickens there by contaminating the eggs. Wouldn’t the chicken meat be bad too? This is what I think. Anyone else think the same way?

    • Al Sieber

      Claire, all eggs have a little salmonella in them, this might be a way to require that they be “irradiated” also.

      • Al Sieber

        Claire, to answer your question, it makes no sense, the meat would be too. I’m suspicious about the whole story.

        • kate8

          I have a suspicion that most all of the contamination scares in our food is invented in order for them to have an excuse to move forward with their agenda to make all of our food unhealthy.

          I think it is to 1. scare us, thereby to 2. damage another industry, and 3. Give them an excuse to irradiate.

          Irradiation changes the molecular structure of food, rendering them very unhealthful. It also destroys enzymes that are vital for life.
          You can tell if produce is irradiated because it lasts a LONG time without spoiling.

          This is all in compliance with Codus Aliamentarius (WHO), which went into effect Dec. 31, 2009.

        • Claire

          I read in this morning’s paper that the guy that owns all these chicken farms has been in a lot of trouble in the past. He was not getting rid of the “manure” properly. Looks like I won’t be boiling chickens for the dogs nor will I eat any chicken. Thanks for the iput from all of you.

          • Claire

            iput?? Input!!

          • Vicki

            Salmonella has been in eggs and chickens for nearly ever (human time concepts). That is why chicken should be cooked till there is no translucent meat. That is why hard boiled is much safer then other ways to cook eggs. Salmonella is just a germ. Not a very hardy one at that.

            “The organism enters through the digestive tract and must be ingested in large numbers to cause disease in healthy adults. Gastric acidity is responsible for the destruction of the majority of ingested bacteria. The infection usually occurs as a result of massive ingestion of foods in which the bacteria are highly concentrated similarly to a culture medium.”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonella

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    dave when i was 23 I got a job with chevron and I did not believe in social security and did not think it would be arround when I would retire. I started to save and invest for my future.then in the eighties the government said we should save for the future which I already was doing. but they said if we would invest in 401k we would only be taxed at 15% when we retired. i invested in the 401k and now when I was ready to start to take my monies out I am now told by the government that I will be taxed a 39% tax rate. so I am screwed by social security and by the lies of the feds. your screwed if you do and screwed if you do not. the illegals get social security that I paid for, and the welfare will get social security, but i will get screwed no matter what and you think we should trust the government? The politicians lie lie lie and steal steal steal and pad their pensions and anything else they can. medicare is now only for the rich politicians. the regular people will be told like in england and canada that you will have to wait and the government hopes you die before your doctor can get through the paperwork and tests so they will not have to pay for your treatment. how do you like them apples? that is your dems who passed the law that they said we have to pass the healthcare bill so we can read what it say is in it.

  • William Barry

    “The Government’s War on Us.”

    How apt a title.

    Especially when you consider the fact that the U.S. Government IS preparing for an armed struggle with its own people, and has been doing so for the past quarter-century.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Love your Country but Distrust your Gvt., especially this one. If you’re a consevative make damn sure you vote this Nov.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    smile check the constitution the income tax admandmant has problems that are in conflict with the constitution. that is why mr schiff was not put in jail for not filing income tax. but for another tax problem.

    • Smilee

      Robert

      Idiot, the income tax (Sixteenth Amendment) part is part of the constitution so how can it be in conflict with it????????????, only those parts of the Constitution that have been changed by amendment are in conflict and the amendment is the current law, this does not apply to the sixteenth amendment as it added to tax powers not changed any!!

      • Al Sieber

        Smilee, it wasn’t officially ratified by all the states. B.Livingston correct me if I’m wrong.

        • Smilee

          Wrong again AL, it is law and you saying it means absolutely nothing, there are some that believe as you claim but cannot prove it and the courts have never negated it so spin to your hearts content but all that can come of that is you become even more dizzy than you now are!!

  • Stephen Russell

    No Jobs=No Taxes, do the math, then how do we pay for Govt services.
    Or No Businesses=No Taxes.
    Either way the Chicago Obama Mob loses.

  • ABinGA

    liberytrain-Glad she’s on her way home.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    I want anyone out there to answer this question. How can you be required to file an income tax under penality of law, when the fifth admendment of the constitution says you can not be compelled to be a wittness against yourself? and filing a income tax form is under law being a wittness against yourself. I know someone thinks he is smarter than either our founding fathers, or smarter than the IRS. let see.

    • Smilee

      Just how the HE-ll are you witnessing against yourself in this????????????????

      • Bob Wire

        Smilee, I see Robert’s point. ~ You are being asked to provide informative they plan to beat you up with. In that sense of the word this information could well be considered incriminating.

        I like it Robert! I’ll think about it awhile. I have need for such an argument and think you might have just supplied me with one.

        We do have the right to keep silent afforded by the 5th Amendment.

        • DaveH

          The thing is, Bob, it doesn’t matter, right or wrong. Their gang is bigger than your gang is. So, they will win.
          Maybe someday enough people will wake to reality and our gang will be bigger than their gang. One can only hope.

          • Bob Wire

            So true Dave, so true.

            But we must fight, there no need of making it any easier for them.

        • Smilee

          Bob

          The fifth commandment only applies if you are under oath or after you have been read your rights and what you say can then incriminate you criminally and you may remain silent or refuse to answer, the fourth amendment could be argued but I think you would fail at that too, but it would be a much more appropriate argument.

          • Bob Wire

            Rats! thanks Smilee

            So you’d have to be “charged” with something, like failure to file.

            It’s a Catch 22 of sorts!

            Dominion!

          • Smilee

            Bob

            You do not have to be charged, you do have to be under oath or advised of your rights to remain silent in an police interview none require you be charged, Any law you break is criminal including IRS laws and I believe that includes failure to file, but they give you a chance to correct it and if you do they do not file charges against you except in rare cases,

  • Raggs

    I for one am glad to see that the economy is in the shape it is, if for no other reason but to see obama fall on his face. I hope all of the freeloaders are happy with their change. And I wish them the best of luck sucking off of me….

    • Bob Wire

      you pay less federal taxes now then you have ever paid Raggs .

      This argument is a very old and always gets played as it always good for a little mileage as there enough truth in it that it can’t be denied.

      It’s a get divider ~ us and them.

  • John S.

    There is so much rhetoric posted here which is reactionary without much critical thinking. It is as if this is an agent for the Koch Brothers and their underhanded dealings. A couple of guys who’s right wing father indoctrinated them with a hate for the government and all things for the public interest. It is ironic that these communist haters and anti socialists got their first millions from direct partnership with Stalin.

    The right wing endorses those who get theirs by any means. Look at what is happening in Florida. Rick Scott is a great example. If you were truely libertarian, you would be against this guy who while at the helm of HCA, was responsible for the largest Medicare fraud case to date. HCA paid 1.7 Billion dollars in fines. Scott was forced out and now runs an urgent care operation in Florida providing health care again. He was the guy behind CPR, Center for Patients Rights, a major opponent to any sort of health care reform. No insurance for the public means more business for his operation. Do you see the trend here?

    The libertarians and teabaggers are simply being used by those who want even more power and money. You need to understand that this is at the expense of the middle class. Wake up people. The very people who create these hateful smokescreens are in fact getting government contracts and use the system just as they are using you.

    • Smilee

      SPOT ON!!

      • Bob Wire

        Thank You John S, You offer me hope that more people are awake and on the point. You can start to wonder about Americans ability to assimilate information after reading many of these posting.

        They are being used, played like a banjo. And the crazy thing is ~ it’s ongoing and they never seem to understand the self defeating nature of the fools folly. They are most willing “fight” to vote against their own self interest.

        Willing to shoot their own foot off just to prove how mean and determined they are! While they call opposition to their self-defeating behavior “stupid”. It’s damn near comical.

        It’s like a “head-on frontal attack” is the only attack they can see and understand. Any attacks coming from the rear or side, they are oblivious too. It’s got to hit a “hot button” and trigger a “knee jerk” or they just don’t get it.

        Their own party uses them in the same manner. ~ That’s why there is no true “head” of the GOP,(no politician wants the job) and it’s left to political entertainers to rally the loyal. It’s not Steele job to beating the drum, it’s left to cameo walk-in’s like Chaney’s daughter or Newt (people that have little fear of their head being chopped off) and political entertainers with side show productions to rally the GOP banner and make the “pitch”

        • Raggs

          Boblet boy…
          So what is your answer?

          Oh let me guess… Lets start with an unconsitutional law and call it obama’s frenge bill…. Just because this STUPID! arse has something to prove for his billions of taxpayers dollars…
          He has proved one thing and only one thing…

          HE IS A FOOL!

          • Bob Wire

            Thanks Raggs for stepping forward and offering us a perfect example of what we were discussing.

    • Kinetic1

      I’d like to say “only in Florida,” but I can’t. You have to wonder what these candidates are up to when, like Meg Whitmen they spend tens of millions of their own money to get elected. Are we supposed to believe that they are just that patriotic?

    • Raggs

      little john boy…

      You are indeed one sick puke.
      If you like the Hitler style government than you know where you can go.

      I on the otherhand will have no problem throwing lead to the likes of you.
      You are one of the thugs that believe in your agenda of global warming and I find you as a piece of shit.

      • Bob Wire

        Do you think such comments constructive, much less necessary?

      • Smilee

        It is understandable that people like you who are totally devoid of character to resort to rants like yours all are not as rude as you though but all are out of touch with the real world

  • Brusorian

    I sure wish when anyone says 50% of this, or fat cats that, that they would back it up with something verifiable. There are so many half truths and mis-used stats that its hard to believe any opinions when numbers are thrown about.

  • Bob Wire

    I understand Brusorian. I attempt to stay away from percentage or making sweeping statements as much as possible, it makes your piece much more powerful. Anything you don’t know as a fact yet use to support your piece, using a qualifier is most wise and don’t speak in absolutes terms.

    I’d encourage you to use your browser, and every time you question data, follow it up with your own search. ~ Find out for yourself.

    While good answers are very important ~ good questions are priceless!

    You will find that more then one answer can be found. ~ So this sends you on yet another search. And this is “one” way you can develop the skills to ask good questions.

    ( see how I used the word “one” as a qualifier? )

    To get the “right” answer you must “ask” the right question.

    It’s great fun and a lot can be learned in the process of your search.

  • jopa

    John S;There is very little ever said about the Koch brothers on these pages as though it is some big dark secret about these two very rich oilmen that are working behind the scenes to back the teabaggers annd tea bagger express.They do like to work in the shadows like some type of creep trying to destroy American values.I just wonder how much the buses and baloney sandwiches are going to cost them this weekend on becks little gathering.

  • http://gmail i41

    jopa, your comments really are soo lrftist, you have to be a marxist communist! jopa is that short for Just Oddball Pinheaded Azz?

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    To:Chip wood great artical it tells the sad thruth of why everything is so crazy in america,i would like to add if you followed the flow of this ill gotten wealth you would plainly see that the folks that really control and get all this labor and profit from those who are the real movers of this nation,are the people who control the federal reserve system,and who controls them? look to europe and the largest private money control center on the face of this planet,does the name rothchild sound familiar or bilderberg or rockafeller those folks control all the biggest economies of the world,the reason i mentioned this is the american people must vote to take control of of their own banking system again,to take control of americas economy and control the fate of the american people,instead of having the small group of these elite bankers steal every americans profits,in form of endless taxes and charges on the phoney money they print.and every american must wake up quick,and vote any self serving incumbant out of office,so we can have control of americas destiny,and that is to live as free men and women and not as slaves to those who think that those who work owe ,the bankers in power a free ride.

  • Bob Wire

    No , i41 ~ jopa is correct. ~ the “baggers” are being funded to a lager degree by well heeled GOP supporters and it’s been so from the offset.

    The baggers is little more the a proxy of the GOP. But few wish to believe it. ~ The GOP needed some cleaning up and there were few up to the nasty task. ~ So the Tea Party was created, they dress up like a bunch of painted up Indians, hiding their faces ( The proxy ) to preform the unsavory task that they (GOP leadership)themselves wouldn’t touch for fear of political fallout.

    Surely you knew that? Where do you think “RINO” came from?

    Some good has come of it.

    And what disgusting names have I earned for delivering you this message?

    “i41″ was does that stand for, IQ 41?

  • chuck b

    141

    here’s a poem that ran in the newspapers in the late thirtirs. things haven’t changed much. i am amazed how close this poem relates to todays communist leader “barry soetoro” sounds like the same old communist democrat playbook.

    Rejected”

    A stranger stood at the Gates of Hell
    And the Devil himself had answered the bell
    He glanced at him from head to toe,
    And said “My friend, I’d like to know
    What have you done in the line of sin
    To entitle you to come within,”
    Then Franklin D. said with his usual guile
    As he gave the Devil his winning smile,
    “When I took charge in ‘33
    A Nation’s fate was mine you see
    So I promised this and promised that
    And calmed them down with a Fireside chat.
    I put padlocks on their banks
    And called the Congress a bunch of cranks.
    I spent their money on fishing trips
    Fishing from decks of their battle-ships.
    I gave men money with W.P.A.
    Then raised their taxes and took it away.
    I killed their pigs and burned their crops,
    Would raise their wages then close their shops
    And double-crossed both old and young
    And still the fools my praises sung.
    I brought back beer, then what do you think,
    I taxed it so high they couldn’t drink.
    I gave them money with government loans,
    When they missed a payment I’d take their homes.
    When I wanted to punish the folks you know,
    I’d put my wife on the radio.
    I payed them to let their farms lie still
    And imported foodstuffs from Brazil.
    I curtailed crops when I felt real mean,
    And shipped in corn from ‘Argentine’.
    Now when they’d worry, stew or fret
    I’d get them chanting the alphabet.
    With the A.A.A. and N.R.L.B the W.P.A. and C.C.C.
    With all these units I got their goats
    And still I crammed it down their throats.
    When organizers needed dough
    I closed the plants for the C.I.O.
    I ruined jobs and I ruined health
    And put the screws on the rich man’s wealth
    And some who couldn’t stand the gaff
    Would call on me and how I’d laugh.
    I ruined the country, its homes and then,
    Placed the blame on Nine Old Men.”
    Now Franklin talked both long and loud.
    The Devil stood and his head was bowed.
    At last he said, “Let’s make this clear,
    You’ll have to look elsewhere, you can’t come here.
    For once you mingle with this mob,
    I’ll have to hunt myself a job.”

    • Bob Wire

      that was cute !

      I love word play!

  • chuck b

    “late thirties”

  • mike

    when you elect a fox to guard the henhouse well? you can tell a tree by it’s fruit,examine a person’s action’s is he fox like or not? k.i.s.s. Father please wake up this nation for the good of all nation’s. Amen.over 90% of america still believes in a creator,we need to vote like it too…

    • Bob Wire

      And Mc Cain was to be guardian of the crown jewels ?

      I don’t think so.

  • Raggs

    I cannot believe 99.99% of this country are freakin idiots!!

    Never mind I think most people believe obama is the messiah so you deserve him.

    • Bob Wire

      It’s only you and your friends that say that!

      and it’s not so,

      it’d more like 92% !

    • Bob Wire

      Your thoughts are just that, “All yours”

      It’s not usual for the insane to think everyone is crazy but them.

      It’s not illegal to “think’ anything. ~ but the guys in the white suits and butterfly net will cause you some grief.

  • Neil

    To one and all I’ve been reading the back and forth by everyone in response to hflashman and others of his ilk and I don’t see why you waste your time on him. I think he’s nothing but a straw man and your kind words not withstanding have missed the most important point of him.
    He starts out by showing you that he can’t spell, it’s
    Halfassman not hflashman.

    Thank You for reading this.

    • JeffH

      Very good one Neil.

    • Al Sieber

      Neil, I don’t know why we bother with flassman either, maybe it’s the satisfaction?

  • http://gmail i41

    chuchB, Barry is planniung to let millions of more acres of farm and ranch land lay idle, if his socialism morons have their way. Or should I say create another class of welfare brats, right now the Dept. of Ag is wanting more owners to sign up their land, to give the government more control of private land, even if they are getting millions and are major corporations like ADM and Con=Ag. One part of the poem that was left out was the pits, where thousands of cattle were shot and buried, while starving people stood by and watched. Very few citizens know where or how their food ends up on their plates. On Barry’s poem we can add the car companies the government bought with taxpayers money, along with the endless vacations, bBig Mamee and wanna be Tiger/Barry are always on.I41 stands just what it is. I – that means me, 4 – for, 1 – means one person. bobby wherer, I41 am pleased that you such a simple minded moron, your comments are so damned assine, socialist democraps have chances to address Tea Party meetings because I’ve called the gutless wonders several time to public forums. But seeing how liberal communists have nothing to back up their actions with facts, they dodge any chance to justify their votes. That is why socialist democrats are union idoits, cannot bargin for themselves, cann’t show why they should receive the wages the don’t deserve. If your piss ant brain patterens tell you that Tea Party is doing the work of the GOP bosses, don’t transfere the actions, of your puke minded democat party and their union thugs, they employ to terrorize people who disagree with them. As for digusting names , if it fits you can wear it. Everything the National Socialist Democrat Union Party touches, go to hell. Your inbred communist leaning marxist crossbred boss says anything that he wants done, and every idoit with a d for voting classification goes, “yasem bossman we will head to de cotton patch”, blind pure f–king stupidity is your problem and your party. Understand you moronic pinhead, or are you feeling comforted by nuzzling on your Blarney Flanks Doll?

    • Bob Wire

      i41, there is simply no need to hold anything back, why don’t you tell us how your really feel?

  • Bob Wire

    fun posts ~ i enjoyed the humor

    Wake me up when we are there!

    nite all!

    sweet dreams.
    bw

  • Dave DeWitt

    Hey flashmoron: A sustem just exactly like the one you want really
    exist. It crashed and burned a while back. It is called communisim, and it has never had success, since it requires life forms like you to run it, and pretty soon you run out of bullets used to shoot the capitalists. If you think I am making this up, check and see what is happening in Russia and China.

  • Dave DeWitt

    Hey flashmoron: A sustem just exactly like the one you want really
    existed. It crashed and burned a while back. It is called communisim, and it has never had success, since it requires life forms like you to run it, and pretty soon you run out of bullets used to shoot the capitalists. If you think I am making this up, check and see what is happening in Russia and China. Ever wonder where all the big buck jobs went when they left the woods up there?

  • jopa

    Dave DimWitt: your beginning to stutter.

  • Allan

    Reading the liberal posts, they boil down to the conception that government is the answer to just about everything. The Founders never intended government to have the control and size it does. They wanted the people to control government, not the reverse. That is the real envirnomental crisis. The Founders believed that a robust free enterprise system could produce a remarkable, new type of society…and it did, though liberals mostly credit government. They fundamentally believe business is more corrupt than government and that somehow government workers are morally superior. The reality is government has insulated itself from accountability to the point most of its members could function in the private sector, and they are motivated to build on that. That is what happens incentive, the very essence of free enterprise, is taken away. I have faith that realistic Americans, who carry the unrealistic on their backs, will turn out and vote in great numbers in Nov. Making it even more critical is reapportionment. The more conservative office winners there are in Nov, the better representation conservatives will have in Congress. The winners will draw the congressional district lines as required after a census. The next ten year balance of Congress in your hands!

    • Allan

      I meant to say, most people in government today could NOT function in the private sector. Employees I hired over the years with government backgrounds weren’t generally as productive as the norm, as they spent more time complaining.

      • Bob Wire

        Allan , you views on what liberal think “might apply” to 5% of them.

        How you arrived at this perception of what “They Think” amuses me, as ~ I read the same post and I don’t get that from most of them ~ for one, there not that many here. I know of only maybe two posting you might have got such inference from ~ so I’m thinking maybe you got it somewhere else.

        You said only one or two things that I agree with on matters of perception.

        “The reality is government has insulated itself from accountability to the point most of its members could function in the private sector,”

        truer words have never been spoken and I thank you for that.

        But this idea of, anyone that accepts the “notion of government” to be seen as liberal and the biggest problems Conservatives face is pure hogwash.

        I say, don’t wait on God or Government to come to our salvation. That not their job, Their job is to prepare us a “place” to live, love and learn. Anything beyond that is just good fortune and the fruits of ones own efforts.

  • Anthony

    Don’t need to read all the comments – I will do so lateer on, when I have more time.

    It’s nice… to see Chip Wood and I are on the same page when it comes to Porter Stansberry. I’ve been a member for over 3 years now. And, currently, I have two subscriptions, the main one being the 12% Letter.

    Thanks, Chip ….

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    remember a shaft is still a ahaft and that is what you got. in reality the shaft is just the begining for the big pole following it. when you think you can out wit the professionalls who are also professinal liars than you get the whole damn rotten garabage and fecalmatter . they have been giving you the shaft since teddy roosevelts federal reserve. the proffesionals keep expanding and doing ever which way they can, and you seem to like it because you all keep voting the same way every year. our founding fathers are spinning in their graves. they cannot beleive what is happening. george would have been better because he did it up front and you knew it was comming. he did not hide it or obviscate, nor wrap it up in beautiful dressing, he just did it.

  • Bob Wire

    “hflashman says:
    August 27, 2010 at 9:34 am

    As a small business owner, I’m not directly affected by much of what the Feds do.”

    WOW ! hflashman ~ they are still attacking your post! I kept reading attack after attack and kept looking for which post they were attacking. I was thinking you must have really light a fire! said something wild and crazy

    days later, I find your post and it something I might have wrote. ~

    it more local government that kissing my backside as well.

    But each business is different ~ like the gent that family was in the New York stage business and Osha was all over him. ~ I did sympathies, thinking of all the cords, ladders and scaffolding associated with theater ~ and being at a stationary location ~ where bureaucrats and their inspectors can find you with easy and drop in, just any darn time they please.

    I did some sub contracting at a Bell helicopter plant a few years ago. It was hard to get anything done with all the rules they had, safety glass, repelling harnesses required for anything over 4 ft high. orange caution vest ~ I felt like a damn clown and they were very strict about it!

    I was so glad to get off that job site ~

    Considering I rode a thousand miles standing on the skids of there product, 5 ft off the ground running 60 to 90 knots with only a Flak Jacket trousers and boots and a one hand grip, it was sort of comical.

    We have became a nation controlled by many forces and I too, long for the early days, But I don’t see it inside our reach.

    Some blame this side and some blame that side ~ I blame them all.

    Seems we are ending up with the worst of both worlds.

  • dan az

    For all of you this is the latest on allah that since he cant get it approved though our courts or congress this is the new way of getting around all of us.
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-hauls-arizona-before-the-un-human-rights-council/

    • Christin

      Yes, I heard about this dan az… it is pathetic that a state in America with a law to protect its citizens is dragged into “international court” by our own prez (don’t really want to call him that) because he wants to let illegals in (as he probably is one too.)
      How is this a human rights issue to keep a (country &) state’s sovereignty and not allow foreigners to infiltrate and commit crimes?? Actually it is just the opposite: BO is allowing a human rights violation by forcing AZ to stop foreigners from entering their borders. Take him to court!

      Especially when their are real human rights issues with stonings, killings of missionaries & Christians, women accused of adultery by a muslim spouse, imprisonment of Americans traveling/working abroad, terrorists who bomb buildings and people to kill them…

      WAh, Wah cry me a river, BO. The Law is JUST. You lost so you have to go get your big brother to beat up the small state… what a BULLY!

  • THINK ABOUT

    To i41,

    Don’t know where you have resided fot the last several years and even before Obama money has been paid to let acres lie idle. Now if Obama has been responsible for that I should think he is more powerful than any human we have alive now. Deal with realities and truth, you will do much better in life. Get the facts straight.

  • Christin

    Hey Chip just read the article and enjoyed the piece. You are right… Porter Stansberry’s commentary, “This is Why There Are No Jobs in America” is right-on-the-mark. Very well said. Thanks for sharing.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    smilee think that little thing at the end of the 1040 that says that by signing under penality of purgery. that means being under oath and you are not even in court. your attorney will tell you that if you dont sign it they will put you in jail. and if you do sign it you are giving up your rights under the constitution to not be a wittness against yourself. you can not have it both ways and that is what the government is telling you that they are going to put you in jail no matter what the constitution says. If i do not want to give up my miranda rights I go to jail for not giving up my rights. think what is wrong with that logic????? as I said you can not have it both ways.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    smilee remember that when you are under oath you are and lie you are charged with purgery. the 1040 and all other tax forms say signing will be under penelty of purgery. where are the miranda rights??? they do not exist in the tax forms. one of the admendments is superior to the other. and I believe that the 5th is superior to the tax code.one is in the bill of rights and can not be overrulled by a tax code.

  • FastPhil

    Great article! I’d love to start a company but the darn govt won’t let me hire just the employees I am comfortable being around (white, non-Jew). I also would like to dump all the waste from my business in the street or maybe a nearby stream because who wants to pay for waste disposal? I would also like to promise services and collect money from my customers and then never do the work. Imagine the profits! I can use the extra money to hire lawyers and sue anyone who complains about me for libel. If someone opens a similar business near mine I would like to swing a bat at that person’s knees until they pack up and leave.

    The only problem with all this is the govt keeps getting in my way.

  • Carol

    Sorry about your lack of education Bob Wire. I worked the harvest in 1958 and most of the other workers were Mexican nationals. Thank goodness my brother and his best friend worked too, or I would have had no one to talk to. And this was way before either Bush was president.

  • James

    Isn’t what Porter Stansberry was describing the American version of Communism?

  • Keith H

    I support small business,because most of them make honest money, the problem I have is those big corporations,most of them practice crooney capitalizm, which means profit first, people second. Now the only people that support that is the people benefiting from it, a corrupt system will never benefit everybody, it’s like a game of musical chairs, when the music stops sombodys going to get left out..we have to change the system..and the elites will never let that happen,they will let system fall before they do that.

  • Bert Cundle

    [The Government’s War on Us]

    That sure is a variable!
    Iv’e been fighting the CRIMINALITY in Government, for about 50 Years!
    California has gone buzerk, ” Lobeist Making Laws” that have athority, over The Constitution of the United States.
    Government, Courent Deffinition: Most Vicious Ruler!

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