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The Gospel According to Obama

November 5, 2011 by  

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Al Sieber

    Another good one Ben, Nancy is pretty scary early in the morning,

    • RivahMitch

      and gets worse as the day procedes.

      • Jerry

        Well, to be fair she’s only scary on days that end in Y, and only between 12:00 a.m. and 11:59 p.m. No mask required for Halloween though.

        • Jim

          Right you are Jerry shea ready year round! Thats what bad dreams nightmares and horror films are made of. No child should be exposed to that kind of horror.

        • Joe H.

          Jerry,
          On top of that, she doesn’t have to undress to show her belly button. With all her face lifts, she just has to open her collar!!!

          • JUKEBOX

            I thought that was the dimple in her chin.

      • http://www,pappymart.com John Hanna

        While I worked Christmas morning at the Arab owned Shell in Pinellas County to pay off my student loans in computer programming there was a fender bender on the corner – couldn’t have been more that fifteen bucks worth of damage and the pulled off the road and talked deciding to ignore it but not before the fire department found out about it.
        This maelstrom generated the need for sixteen cops (I counted!) to stand around and admire the damage for long enough to get a full half day double triple overtime daytime bonus most improved emergency pay.
        Now we have two million in ‘overtime’ in Oafland? Just how hard is it to stand around and say put that out?
        OH! I should try it? OH! I would and at half the salary with no overtime! OH! But my dada owned a gas station so he couldn’t move me into that open profession and my mama wasn’t in the school system so my degree is worthless too.

    • Jim

      Ya, I would not want to wake up next to her! lol

    • http://naver samurai

      I hear her and Barny Franks are a couple. If she looks bad in the morning, how about her lover Barney? Ugh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Don Boyer

        Barney perfers other homosexuals—-his ompanion used to heas the other Fannie and got a million dollar bonus when he “RETIRED”. I guess they can afford a nlot of KY jelly now!!!

        • skip

          Hey Don – what do you think about the earthquake that ripped Oklahoma? Should they get any federal funds to fix the damage?

          • helen sabin

            There are NO fed funds to spend on Oklahomans. It is all going to Obama’s cronies and connected businesses. VOTE AGAINST OBAMA IN 2012!!

          • JUKEBOX

            Helen must not know about Obama’s other “GEORGE”, George Kaiser, the richest man in Oklahoma.

          • William

            Are we sure it was an earthquake and not another nuke found in the corridors under the state?

      • Terry

        She is the wrong sex for Barney Franks!!

        • bobby nealey

          can’t prove it by me just look at how people are dressing these days

        • Joe H.

          Terry,
          Prove to me WHAT sex she(?) is!!!

        • John Woodbury

          She is the wrong sex for everyone.

          • JUKEBOX

            There is not enough Viagra or Cialus in the world to make this bunch attractive to any reasonable person. They would make King Kong impotent.

          • Joe H.

            Back when I was younger, they said that eating oysters would give you drive. Well, there ain’t enough oysters in ALL the water on earth to do THAT!!!! She has the best birth control in the world!!! Her face!!!!

        • William

          Yeah but they are related-”Jesus said that “If the blind lead the blind they’ll both fall in the ditch” hope they find the ditch and soon!

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      Keeping in mind that the gospel according to rev. wright does not match the gospel we all are familiar with. And also the book the muslims use has its own gospel. This president and his followers don’t really know which gospel to use for fear of scaring the heck out of all of us, so they now feel the necessity to go after God! What a giant step this ignorance of any religious book has gone. It is clear that this president does believe he is our replacement for God. Wow.

      • Lena Kins

        Obama is hoping and trying to be a World Dictator. I wonder if Obama reads a lot of the negative comments about him on FB. If Obama is re-elected it will be the Hispanics that got him elected, because they get a free ride in the USA. Same as 2008!

        • independant thinker

          Obama will never be world dictator. His actions might be the lead up to there being a world dictator but it will not be obama If/when we make it to that point obama will be cast aside for someone more favored by those behind the scenes.

          • Christin

            independant,

            Agreed.

            Today a useful puppet, tomorrow baggage to fill another gov position at the tax payers’ expense.

      • Christin

        Anne,

        It is scary for these ‘Non-Believers’ (WH gov officials) to use the Holy Bible or God Almighty Himself to show a rational for doing things their NWO way.

        The Lord of Lords will not stand for this blasphemy… for so much longer… the Lake of Fire is there eventual destination.

        S_cks to be them.

    • Don Boyer

      One more face lift and her ears will be together on the back of her head.

      • Jim

        How many times do you suppose she had her lying Pinocchio nose shortened?

      • Joe H.

        Don,
        That’s not a cleft in her chin, thats her navel!!!

      • Bud Tugly

        one more face lift and she’ll have a goatee.

    • Patsy

      Pelosi scary all day long and don’t forget the night.

    • rulken

      Why does Nancy Pelosi always look like she’s in a centrifuge pulling something like 6Gs?

    • dan k

      Well said! Hell Pelosi is scarey all the time! She has made a mockery of congress and what people perseve as “lawmakers” Not to mention making a profit on her position.

    • William

      Nancy is a constant Halloween face day and night!No good here, only the bad, dumb, arrogant, stupid(we gotta pass it to see what’s in it??)and ugly!

    • Richard L.

      What a pathetic attempt at emulating Stewart and Colbert. The phony laugh track is as contrived as Karl Rove’s personality. Yuck!

  • Tom Proctor

    Another great piece. Ben!!! Keep up the good workWW

  • bruce brinkmann

    Where is the article? All I see is a big scary picture of Nancy. I know she is insane, and I need no further exposure to her to substantiate that fact. I haven’t clicked on a video of Obama or Pelosi or Carney or Wasserman or Waters or any of their kind in over a year. Why would I?

  • http://don@revivalsounds.com Don

    Good one. Obama is claiming God’s will on his “jobs bill” according to Jay’s false claim of a Bible verse. The jobs bill is not really a jobs bill, so it’s lie. How does Jay answer that, with another pretend verse? So, Obama has the nerve to claim God’s will for a lie. Not too smart. God is sinless, lying is sin, so God, who cannot lie, cannot be for Obama’s pretend jobs bill. But hey, Liberalism is a mountain of lies – so God could not be a Liberal.

    • Wayne

      Don, I am surprised at you. Haven’t you heard? Obama thinks he is God!

      • Jack

        Think we should tell him he’s NOT ?

        • Patriot II

          Jack; Yes

          • bp

            Jack, YES, come November 2012! VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!

      • Joe H.

        Wayne,
        They DO have something in common! God hasn’t got a united States birth certificate either!!!!!!!

        • JeffH

          LMAO! You are the winner… :)

          • Void1972

            This might be funny if it weren’t so darned true.

            Be sure to read all the way to the end:

            Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table At which he’s fed.

            Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes Are the rule.

            Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts Anyway!

            Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat. Tax his ties, Tax his shirt,
            Tax his work, Tax his dirt.

            Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think.

            Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries Tax his tears.

            Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ass.

            Tax all he has Then let him know That you won’t be done Till he has no dough.

            When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He’s good and sore. Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he’s laid.
            Put these words Upon his tomb, Taxes drove me to my doom…’

            When he’s gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply The inheritance tax.
            Accounts Receivable Tax, Building Permit Tax, CDL license Tax, Cigarette Tax

            Corporate Income Tax, Dog License Tax, Excise Taxes, Federal Income Tax
            Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
            Fishing License Tax
            Food License Tax
            Fuel Permit Tax
            Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
            Gross Receipts Tax
            Hunting License Tax
            Inheritance Tax
            Inventory Tax
            IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
            Liquor Tax
            Luxury Taxes
            Marriage License Tax
            Medicare Tax
            Personal Property Tax
            Property Tax
            Real Estate Tax
            Service Charge Tax
            Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Sales Tax

            Recreational Vehicle Tax
            School Tax
            State Income Tax
            State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
            Telephone Federal Excise Tax
            Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
            Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
            Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
            Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
            Telephone State and Local Tax
            Telephone Usage Charge Tax
            Utility Taxes
            Vehicle License Registration Tax
            Vehicle Sales Tax
            Watercraft Registration Tax
            Well Permit Tax
            Workers Compensation Tax
            STILL
            THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
            What in the hell happened? Can you spell ‘politicians?’
            And I still have to ‘press 1′ for English!?

        • Lena Kins

          @ Whomever, you have to be a highly intelligent person to think of that comment. Do you know that the USA is already at “Wits End” with Obama. Obama and Pelosi “might” someday be begging to God for them to be forgiven for their Deceptions. It “might” be that Obama will have his SINS washed away in the Ocean Washing Machine Waves as Bin Laden got his sins washed away.

    • Blueshoes

      Wake up people! BHO is absolutely right when he claims his “Jobs Bill” is god’s will. You have to remember WHO his god is… of the Quran, Koran, Coran, Qur’an, Kuran, etc., you know, where you have to convert your Infidels, enslave your Infidels or KILL your Infidels, where your women wear burkas and you beat them. Transforming America… remember?

      • skip

        Bull roar!

    • John Haines

      Is that my God obamma is talking about or his allah?
      What do you get when you cross an American pig with a muslim?

      • Rick

        I know, I know, I know (hand in the air waving)….OBAMA, OBOZO, OBUMMER……you know, that muslim punk that snuck into the whitehouse under false pretenses, that is trying to destroy our country!

      • Stephanie J. Samuels, M.D.

        Answer: Nothing. The pig, being a highly intelligent animal, refuses to have anything to do with them. Per Deuteronomy, pigs are not permitted to be eaten by the Hebrews; there is nothing inherently “bad” in them. There is a long list of what is fit to eat and what isn’t. This commandment is for Jews only and is called a chock, that is to say a commandment that no explanation is given for – to be accepted as the will of the Creator for a certain group of people for reasons S/He only knows.

        • MNIce

          I know we’re getting way off the topic, but consumption of many of the “unclean” animals is a health hazard if they are improperly prepared. In the absence of thermometers and timers, how can one be sure pig or bear meat will not carry trichinosis? Bears, rats and mice may also be infested with fleas carrying bubonic plague. You may recall that the SARS outbreak was triggered by Chinese eating civet cat (another unclean animal).

          God also prohibited eating the fat of clean animals (it was to be burned). Eating animal fat increases your risk of heart disease. God had good reasons for the laws He imposed on ancient Israel – some are symbolism, pointing forward towards the sacrifice of Christ, or a means of distinguishing and separating the Israelites from the pagan tribes surrounding them, and some have practical social (moral) or health purposes. None of His laws are arbitrary or capricious.

          • KHM

            @MNice,
            It is off the topic,but the ancient Hebrew tribes knew nothing about trichinosis. So that would not have been a reason for the prohibition on eating pig.
            The Muslims copied that from the Jews,by taking some of their(Jewish) rites,practices and stories they hoped to convert Jews. When the Jews stubbornly refused to convert,it set up the institutional hatred for the Jew in Islam.
            I loved this video by Ben and some of the comments about Pelosi; very funny.
            Notice how Obama and Pelosi invoke God and religion when it is convenient for them? All the rest of the time they are anti-God and especially anti-Christian.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            KHM…..MNIce didn’t say the Hebrew people made the commandment he said God gave it to them because of Gods knowledge about what eating undercooked pork could cause.

      • power Leyba

        A right wing nut job.

        • http://naver samurai

          So this makes you a left wing extremist? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • jerry sweet

          at least the person has a wing nut working.open your head,what comes out —air—

      • ronald r. johnson

        OBAMA!!!!

        • Rus

          Somebody, please help this poor person to find his way back to the nut house.

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      HOw interesting it is that suddenly our president is talking religiously???? How interesting that our present government that is damming church and state is now using church to get a job’s bill through? This present government will go to any extreme to blame anyone, so now it is God. Insanity is robust in the white house and every tailcoat with this president. They are at war with the people of America and now God. Wow.

      • Don Boyer

        Obama can quote the Quran very well but he should quit trying to quote the Bible. They should build a Mosque next to the Whitehouse so he wouldn’t have to go far to pray!! And a golf course would be nice.

    • Don Boyer

      His jobs bill is nothing more than PAYBACK to the unions. His first
      Executive Order issued 2/6/2009 was that All Federal construction or repair will be done by UNION LABOR!!!

      • jerry sweet

        i hate unions.my dad a 37 year teamster even stated once the unions were just organized crime.but he does get the last laugh,altho its sad too,he retired at 62 and hes still bleeding the union because hes now 86. at one time unions were a good thing against the corp slave drivers,but they soon became just as bad.by the way, the largest union i believe is seiu.why are over paid gov. workers who are paid by our dime thru taxes have a right to strike for more of our dimes.yes but as a follower of Jesus Christ it is stated by God. in the last days right before he returns men will think they have become very wise,but instead have become (utter fools) anybody on the beltway listening?

  • janet trosper

    I find ben to be disingenuous and full of half truths. He appears to exist to pit Americans against each other, much like rush limbaugh.

    • SweetOlBob

      Cheese, Janet ! Could it be that he has stepped on your democRAT toes ? Probably Rush has too !
      Poor baby ! Go back to the HuffPost.

      • Karolyn

        “Sweet?”

      • janet trosper

        Actually I find this site full of religious fever and propaganda to turn middle class citizens on each other with the sole purpose of destroying the middle class. If people educate themselves with sites like this instead of actually facts about what has happened in our government for the last 40 years, we are in a lot of trouble. Divide and conquer.

        • Ben

          Janet,

          We all have our opinion on everything but here are the facts.
          We are in deep …. and we are here because of Big government and special interests. The last 40 years or so it has been the worst ever. We are bankrupt but just have not admitted it yet. All the damage done in 40 years has been doubled in the last 3 years.
          Obama is a socialist! Pelosie only gets elected because she helps give away tax dollars like it were monopoly money! Look at her district the big battle there on the streets is gay men walking around town nude and complaining that people don’t want them eating nude in restaurants! Think how stupid things have gotten… Holder Obama’s boy along with our head of Homeland Security Janet should be in jail for Fast and Furious,Pelosie and Obama’s buddies scored on the hand outs from the energy department on the bail out where there are 100 criminal investigations going on now. Then you look at Barny Frank who was the guy in charge at Fannie and Freddie when they lowered the standards to zero to get a mortgage which created the sub prime market. Add it all up and keep looking the boarder is wide open why the Fed’s don’t close ot why another chance for Obama to let more people in that he will give citizenship to so they will vote for Dem’s… promise everyone a free ride on the backs of the tax payers. Its a mess it can be fixed if we act quick. Term limitations,balanced budget amendment, seal the boarder,flat tax and much lower then cut government in half! We will prosper like never before.. but with Obama who I along with many who study what has happened see him creating all this fighting as a diversion to do what he can to turn this into a socialist state as fast as he can! One more term with him and it can not be fixed.. We will look just like Greece in 5 years!

          • skip

            Not quite facts, Ben – not nearly.

          • usmadgirl

            Ben,

            I completely agree with everything you said except for the part about it taking 5 years before we look like Greece. We’re closer now than I could imagine in my scariest nightmares. Just look at what these crooks have done in less than 3 years & now O’Dumbo is simply bypassing Congress on every issue he possibly can. He’s using his “dictatorship order” to do everything he pleases.

            He has the ‘brass’ to blame Congress for not doing anything. He flies all over the country, wasting tax payers’ money, telling people that Republicans want dirty air & water, don’t want anybody to have health care or a job, & kill seniors when that is exactly what HE is doing! Those who watch only the “alphabet” media’s propaganda don’t know he’s lying.

            Over the summer, the House passed 15 bills to create jobs, but the Dumbocrap majority Senate won’t pass squat so they can blame the GOP! I get tired of hearing “how bad Congress is” when it should be “how bad Dumbocraps in Congress are”! Uninformed people want the GOP to “compromise” to get something done, but you don’t “compromise” on your values…period! Dumbocraps have no values! Nobody should even hint that Republicans are anywhere close to being like Dumbocraps! There are a few RINO’s left, but the entire Dumbocrap Party consists of Socialists, Marxist or Communists, who’ve made their fortunes by Capitalism, but want to “dump” us into their “GLOBAL Social Justice”, “utopian” fantasy for their own greed & power-hungry amusement!

            Glenn Beck told some members of Congress over a year ago, that they were going to be obsolete. Everything he’s said would happen has happened…like the riots in the streets with the OWS freaks, the unions, the Communists/Socialists/Marxists & CAIR UNITING for their organized agenda of collapsing & “fundamentally transforming” the country! Glenn was ridiculed by all the media for saying it, but here they are, revolutionaries together in “packs” like wild wolves in the streets all over the country! Sorry, that’s an insult to wolves!

            Unless we do something NOW, we might look like Greece BEFORE the 2012 election. If O’Dumbo IS re-elected, we’ll look like Haiti (after the earthquake) in no time; so you’re more optimistic than I am. These radical “Alinskyites” (Clinton’s included) want to take our weapons, control the media (that’s already the MSM), the Internet & share OUR ‘wealth’ with the WORLD. It’s already happened! Giving Brazil billions to build the off shore rigs that O’Dumbo wouldn’t allow here. He has no plans to become energy efficient from our own abundant resources. Now, GE’s Jeff Immelt, Head of O’Dumbo’s “Job Council” has sent thousands of jobs abroad, mostly to China & eliminated thousands of jobs here. What TRUE American “Jobs Adviser” would send AMERICAN jobs overseas with millions unemployed here? And I’m not even going to mention which orifice they can shove their silly “green jobs” or their crappy light bulbs.

            A few brave Patriots are trying to resolve our situation with the Veterans’ Day march on Washington on 11/11/11 calling for O’Dumbo’s impeachment (shouldn’t have to “impeach” him, just demand that his presidency be “nullified” since he wasn’t qualified to be president in the first place!)! They want millions of people (including our representatives) to support them to make a real statement in DC, but I haven’t heard one thing about it in the news, not even on Fox! I pray they succeed!!!

            http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=363221

          • Christin

            usmadgirl,

            I agree with almost everything you say, except that the money is and has gone ALL the THEM and those they chose to ‘pay-off’ for favors.

            The MILLIONS, BILLIONS, and TRILLIONS in the fake TARP, stimulus bill, omnibus bill… (you know to research the mating habits of fleas and other erroneous things), BHO’s Jobs bill… the $MONEY$ gets redistributed (STOLEN) to the Ruling Elites, not the Needy in other countries or to the Rightful Owners who worked for it.

            No, they do not get the money as most are perceiving they are… the Elites are getting it.

            Thank you for your thoughts.

        • meteorlady

          I personally find this site to be thought provoking. I like the various comments. If you don’t like it here I one has to wonder why you come? I must admit though everyone gets a little carried away when Pelosi comes up. If you think these are half truths, then use that half to find the full truth…. that’s what it’s here for.

        • rb

          Yes…divide and conquer was unleashed in full during the Clinton administration and has continued through this administration. A people united against government oppression cannot be oppressed and ruled. A divided people can be easily enslaved and are allowing themselves to be. Those telling the truth are not the dividers. Those ignoring the truth are simply contributors to the lie.

          • eddie47d

            The problem is that the truth is not being told on this site . As meteorlady said only half truths are told and you have to figure the rest out. Unfortunately some of you accept it as the full truth and spread it around to each other,friends and family. No wonder we are a confused nation. Both Ben’s keep saying Obama wants the illegal vote when he has deported more than the last four Presidents combined.Also fewer illegals are coming across than in that same period. So why would you lie about something and then boost about it being the truth. The same with the Freddie and Fannie debacle which was under the Clinton and Bush Administrations yet you blame Obama when he wasn’t even near the scene of the problem. If you or them can’t blame the appropriate person for the problems then those problems will always be there and they will always fester. That is why I see the lack of credibility here and your road to the future is also covered in glass. Watch you step!

          • http://deleted Claire

            eddie47d–Your comment “watch your step” is very true. Regardless of party affiliation, I honestly believe “things are not what they seem.”

          • meteorlady

            Eddie – I have to disagree that fewer illegals are coming across the border. My cousin is a border patrol agent in Texas. Their charter from the administration is to “scare them back across the border”. That is so the monthly apprehension numbers are down. They have also slowed to a crawl immigration deportation hearings in recent months.

            We look for and welcome the evidence that fits our pet theory; we ignore or question the evidence that contradicts it. We all do this all the time. It’s not, as we often assume, something that only our opponents indulge in. I do it, you do it, it takes a superhuman effort not to do it. That is what keeps myths alive, sustains conspiracy theories and keeps whole populations in thrall to strange superstitions.

            “If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.” Bertrand Russell

          • eddie47d

            I was going by the reports in the local newspaper that illegal immigration is down and for the last 3 years. Have a nice Sunday afternoon.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Waht newspaper is that, the midnight magazine??? Or is it the Hineywipe Tatler??

          • eddie47d

            You wouldn’t understand Joe even if I did tell you. Your so moronic on everything.

      • Will Larimer

        I not totally sure Bob, but my take on her one sentance was NOT that she is demonican or republicrat. More like a person who would like to lean discourse back toward “why let ourselves be drug down the same road by the same fake republicrat/demonican jabs until the destroyers (who own both fake political parties) finish the job on our republic.” I enjoy watching conservative leaning politcal jabs by smiling commentators, but it’s pure entertainment and often disengenious. I read a comment above about uhbamma doubling our national debt in three years. This is absolute insanity. I also remember that R. Reagan tripled our national debt between ’81 and ’89 and big George added a trillion on that by continued application of what he himself coined “voodoo economics” (cut high level taxes, increase pork barrel spending) both of whom claim conservatism as there cause. We haven’t had a president since Harry Truman who executed his duty based on what might actually be good for the republic. JFK tried but was murdered for the effort. We need 2 new political parties that can show some real fortitude against the not so secret “secret planners”. To attack other disgruntled United States citizens for being disgruntled is pure foolishness and not productive in the least.

        • Will Larimer

          Sorry Bob, I’ve read further down the posts and she does indeed seem to be a demonican. I stand corrected.

    • Jerry

      Oh, really? Hmmm…perhaps kind of like Obummer and his tacit endorsement of the fleabag movement, and tax the rich crusade? Gee, that couldn’t possibly be viewed as antagonistic class warfare now, could it? Oh, and let’s not forget the labor movement who learned from their great socialist leader, and decided to dog-pile onto the Fleabagger movement and get their 15 minutes. Riiiiight, no class warfare in Amerika.

    • Gayle

      But you don’t think biden, obama, pelosi, etc. are pitting anyone against the Tea Party, conservatives, and others who support the Constitution and the USA?

    • Patriot II

      Janet; Have you yourself, ever listened to Rush much? Day after Day,
      formerl Liberals come on Rush’s show and fess up to being blinded by the Liberal media and every day they convert to Conservastism. Are you possibly one of those prospects or are you too afraid to listen to him? for yourself.

      • janet trosper

        I have listened to rush tell lies about how I supposedly think and I have tried to call in, he does not take calls from opposing points of view. He does have people call in and pretend to be liberal, but these people are paid. Rush is one of the the most destructive forces of America.

        • Patriot II

          janet, Yea Right! Lol

          You obvioulsy havn’t listen to him.

        • meteorlady

          While I don’t listen to Rush, I do know that he has uncovered a lot of truths. The reason I don’t listen is that I can’t stand the ranting and his voice irritates me. If you believe that he actually pays pretend liberals then you have spouted a half truth here yourself because you have no real proof of that.

          No one here believes for one minute that we are better off with the current crop of corrupt politicians or the President and his appointees. Racism is a word that had come back with a vengeance since Obama took office, and he condones class warfare – it’s in most all his speeches because he wants what they have.

          As for liberals…. I have been called more names by these people than any other group. I live in the south therefore to them I am somehow uneducated, live in a trailer, hunt alligators for a living and am bible thumping wacko with guns.

          The truth is that I have a Masters in economics, live in a very nice neighborhood with a lot of Methodists, Catholics, Presbyterians, and Baptists. They are all wonderful people, don’t push their religion on others, and generally are there to help anyone that needs help in the community. They are law abiding and decent people.

          I do own guns and I hunt so if there is ever a food shortage I will be able to take care of myself and family while the liberals in the cities will be sitting on the curb waiting for the federal government to come to their rescue. I also have a nice garden and grow veggies and herbs.

          I work for Habitat building houses for those that want to help themselves. I also mentor at risk children in my community so they can get to college and better themselves. We do all this without government handouts and no one gets a salary for their help, which is how it should be. Liberals just believe that the money I work hard for should go to those that don’t want to work; like drug users and pushers, alcoholics, failed social programs, illegals with fake ID, and uneducated immigrants that churches import into this country and take straight to the entitlement offices.

        • skip

          I’ve listened and want to vomit every time, but then I realize he is only a 30 million dollar a year clown paid off by the 1% who sandbag the rest of us and essentially all of us on this blogsite. He is hilarious, I must agree, but has the mindset and intelligence of a warthog.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Rush and all the other talk show hosts are laughing all the way to the bank. Divide and conquer is the name of the game.

          • Joe H.

            watsa matta skip? jealous that rush is right more of the time than nobummer or Fooy in the Mouth biden??? Or for that matter, YOU???

          • Bud Tugly

            Watch Rush with the sound turned off sometime.. . note his body language and facial expressions and you will learn who and what he really is when you are not distracted by the ranting verbiage that spews forth from his orifice.

            Try it sometime when you have the courage.

          • Joe H.

            Bud,
            Try listening to him with your ears instead of your MOUTH sometime. do that when YOU have the courage!!

        • usmadgirl

          janet trosper,

          You are truly misguided, uninformed or brainwashed! I doubt if Rush “screens” his calls. Does your phone have a “liberal” or “progressive” ID that he can see when you call?

        • CJM

          First of all, Janet, Rush does NOT tell lies; secondly, Rush DOES take calls from those who disagree with him. And thirdly, the threat to our great Nation are people like you who fail to acknowledge the fact that our government officials are so corrupt that they are destroying our home and values in order to satisfy themselves. It’s time we voted for those who are Constitutionalists and share our traditional values. If that bothers you so much, I hear MSM has a great blog board you can commiserate on with others who share your bigotted, narrow-minded viewpoint.

        • dee

          Janet, talk about a person that is distructive to the people of the US it’s Obama. Rush is not in public office and he can speak the way he feels and you do not have to listen to him. Obama has the title of President and should not use the class warfare and race card. Cain’t wait till he is gone.

      • power Leyba

        So, you really believe that those people are former liberals who have seen the error of their ways and are coming on the drug-addict, draft-dodging, alduterer’s radio show to profess their conversion? I guess you have not really listened to anything that bombast has to say. If there are no facts to back up what he is saying, he says it anyway and cites the lack of facts as justification. He said once that he did not know for certain that President Obama is a Christian, but that he “feels” that he is not one. Of course, the emptyheads took this to mean exactly what it did not mean as it could not be used to prove or disprove anything anyway. Yup, former liberals must be flocking in hordes to join such crystal clear thinking.

        • Jimbo

          I am a converted liberal. Rush and the actions of Bill Clinton (he raised our taxes three days after he took office after campaigning for a middle class tax cut) helped me see the light.

          • Patriot II

            Jimbo; Congrats Bro!,, I converted back in the early 80′s when I started listening to people about Ronald Reagan.

        • meteorlady

          So here’s the the thing…. I read you comment, got nothing intelligent or thought provoking out of it. When confronted with something you can’t adequately explain or can’t bring yourself to agree with, you insult or call names.

    • http://naver samurai

      This must be your first time on this site. Must be a paid troll. Good job Ben and keep them coming. She is just upset that her “messiah” won’t win the election next year. Just like a darn sheeple or monkey tool. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • eddie47d

        I’m not sure if anyone would want to be a new guest in your house Samurai. Do you wisecrack to your students like you do on this site or do you come here “to let yourself go”. “Pelosi and Barney sleeping together”,”Monkey Tools”,”messiah”. Now you never liked the term teabagger yet you endorse the use of fleabagger.Are you a hypocrite or just talking out of both ends whenever it suits you? The thing is Samurai as a Christian teacher you are as rude and nasty as the atheists you love condemning. Same song different choir. You claim bragging rights and superiority on several issues but I just don’t see it.

        • Alex Frazier

          Just to throw this out there …

          A Tea Party person, if you envision it from a historical point of view, wouldn’t have a tea bag. The whole point of the tea party was to throw the tea into the harbor. The boycott on tea, ironically for the “tea bagger” insult, led to American colonists drinking coffee. So maybe they should be calling us Tea Party supporters “Sankas” or “Folgerians.”

          An Occupy Wall Street person, on the other hand, is very reminiscent of a bum or hobo. They have looted and defacated on police cars. Half of the ones I’ve seen on the news look like they haven’t bathed in a while. They are sleeping in tents. The idea of a wet, stinky dog infested with fleas isn’t a far cry. Bums are frequently portrayed in films as having a dirty dog with them. So I find “Flea Bagger” a not too inappropriate simile for an Occupier.

          Just sayin …

          • Christian Dystopian

            Pelosi…Mad Cow…Hillary…Mad Cow…Bachman…Mad Cow…Cain…Federal Reserve Bank lackey pretending to be a conservative…Obama???possibly just mad. Rick…Wholly owned subsidiary of The Koch Brothers…And clueless…Mitt answers to a higher power (In Salt Lake City)do you know the things they DO in those Mormon Temples? No? I don’t either it’s a secret. Who haven’t I bashed? Biden…not worth bashing…Newt? he is so intelligent even Newt has trouble understanding Newt…Ron…he won’t get the nomination he makes sense to often.
            Thus one of the Bozo’s gets the GOP nod and Obama walks through the door. And the beat goes on…and the beat goes on…

        • Carol J, California

          You obviously have not seen the damage done in Oakland. Fleabagger is definitely an appropriate term to use. Why don’t you go take a look at the “Occupy” sites in person. It’s even worse than what you see on the news.

          • Patriot II

            Carol; He can’t see it, he only watches the Main Stream Media!!

          • eddie47d

            So Patriot II is playing the man behind the curtain again. As Alex wrote those who dumped the tea into the harbor were in revolt and held a one day demonstration. They then returned to their home for a warm meal and clean clothes. They also hoped for change in the way the British were treating them. Fast forward to the OWS demonstrators. They are living in tents and not eating as well.They have been out there 7 weeks now. So how should someone look who has been camping for that time. Try it and you wouldn’t look so good either. They are also looking for change in how Wall Street operates (the new British).Yet you keep insulting them with fleabagger which also means you are clueless to either struggle. Let’s go back in time again when the Colonists revolted and the Revolution started. Our Patriots sometimes lived on the run and away from home for weeks. How do you think they looked? Were they fleabaggers because they looked ragged and smelly? I know you won’t answer that honestly because you were dishonest in your first reply.

          • Carol J

            I guess eddie has never been camping. I have, and have never left a mess. When I leave a campsite, it has been thoroughly policed and ready for the next person. I take clean clothes with me so I don’t end up looking like the OWS bums, and have water, cloths and towels to clean myself up. There’s no excuse for these FLEABAGGERS.

          • eddie47d

            So Carole has been camping for weeks! I knew I wouldn’t get an honest answer.

        • http://naver samurai

          And this coming from a man that always takes cheap shots at patriots and never posts a source? Neeeeed to take a good look in the mirror before posting. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          P.S. I agree with Joe H., you do have your head very far up your backside.

          • Joe H.

            samurai AMEN!! and thanks for the vote!!!!

          • usmadgirl

            Samurai,

            Another “Amen” from me! God Bless Our Country!

          • JeffH

            Hear Hear! For God and Country!

          • eddie47d

            The source was you Samurai so check out the mirror. Since I do on occasion say where my information comes from that makes the whole bunch of you nothing but bellyachers. Since Joe H absolutely never sites a source praising him makes you look foolish. Damn hypocrites!

          • Joe H.

            Keep it up guys, I think we’re starting to get under that thin skin of his!!! We sure as heck aren’t gonna get to his ears. Theyre too far up his wazoo!!!

          • eddie47d

            Since Samurai is a history teacher he could have easily clarified what I said. That’s makes him and Joe look ignorant or desperate.

          • Joe H.

            See there, further factual evidence of what I say!!

    • theotherrhalf

      My thoughts exactly.

    • bp

      Janet: It’s called wry humor. If you don’t like, don’t tune in. Liberals are unable to laugh, at themselves.

    • bp

      Janet; It’s called wry humor. Don’t like it, don’t tune in. Liberals can only laugh at others, not with others. ‘Bye!

    • Bud Tugly

      Ben is just the other side of the coin from Bill Mahr, but less clever in wit. Both of these guys flippantly twist the truth to play to the fears and prejudices of their respective audiences.

      We would be better off doing our own research and making our own decisions.

    • jerry sweet

      you’re on a website that requires common sense.go back to your favorite liberal ragsite.oh and remember when and its going to happen,they decide to declare the constitution a hate rag you also will be a slave to the elite masters.have you made a decision to become muslin yet?

  • Jack

    obama wouldn’t want to face God ! his time is short anyways,wouldn’t want to be in his shoes when that day comes ?

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      Don’t you find it strange that suddenly mr. obama is mixing church and state? How come he can do it after he has shamelessly tried every way possible to denounce christiandom in America? See he only uses God when he needs to but the rest of us wonderful religious folks in America cannot. See DICTATOR written all over his face. I do. So if everything is supposed to be fair and equal, it is time for the white house, and congress to give up all their earnings and give to the poor. Obviously when all Americans have nothing and no money to give to the poor, then all the charity since the beginning of America is gone. Everyone will be poor, the white house will be a refuge for the hungry and poor, and all other countries will be looking at China for charity. The chinese are not charitable. Ho Hum.
      What a mess has been made of our country. Shame, Shame, Shame on anyone who would keep this man in office.

      • usmadgirl

        Anne Gelinas,

        You are so right! He & his minions (“Nasty Piglousy” & others) want a separation of church & state (which is NOT in the Constitution), no Nativity scenes, cover up the cross when he speaks at a Christian university, eliminate the Ten Commandments in State & Federal Buildings, no prayer in schools & on & on. Now, THEY are trying to use religious words or “scriptures” (some aren’t even in the Bible) for their own agenda. They THINK that they’ll attract Christians & maybe some gullible souls will be swayed but it just disgusts most of us because we know evil when we see evil!!!

        Anyone who votes to re-elect this fraudulent lying dictator should be tried for treason!

  • Alex Frazier

    I think if God were actually speaking to Obama, there are two things in particular God would be teaching him.

    1) 10%. That’s it. Not 10% national, 12% state, plus sales tax, surtaxes on utilities, property tax, etc. 10% on your increase to the ruling authorities for them to be able to perform the tasks for the nation, such as judging between people in disputes, clarfying the law when there is a question, etc.

    2) He would tell him that borrowing in order to over spend in government is bad. There should be just weights and balances. What comes in is what goes out, and not a penny more.

    He might also tell Obama that a man who doesn’t work shouldn’t eat.

    • Patriot II

      Alex; What the heck are you talking about? 10% (tithe) refers to giving to the Church, NOT the government. Your Item # 1 argument is totally impertinent. Jesus (God) intended that WE help the poor and the sick and the widow and Orphins, NOT GIVE IT TO A FEDERAL GOV. to take care of them. The 10% goes to fund the Church you attend (giving it to God), so that they may help the needy and invite folks in to their flock. NOWHERE in Scripture does it say to give to a government anywhere!!

      Item # 2 your are right, and the last thing you said is true as well

      • John Haines

        Sorry Patriot II, Jesus does say in the Bible ” render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and render unto God that which is God’s” Ceasar in this case being the government.

        • Patriot II

          John; You are talking out of your ignorance, “Render unto to Caesar” has nothing to do with referring to a “Tithe” paid to the CHURCH!!

          To simplify for you, the Church is an Apple. Caesar (the Govt), on the OTHER HAND is an Orange.

          There is no reference in the Bible as to the reccommended PERCENT WE PAY to Caesar (the government)! you are totally out of context.

          Have you ever even read the Bible or are you just repeating what you heard once?

          Go ahead, quote the Scripture to me about what percent (%) we are to pay Caesar. What book, what Chapter and what Verse?

          • chilipadi

            I believe what Christ was aiming at was that even Caesar was God’s whatever.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            I believe Alex Frazier’s point was the government shouldn’t tax us more than we are supposed to return to God in our tithes hence the 10%.

        • eddie47d

          The Bible passage is Mark 12:17 and Jesus did say to his disciples to look at the coinage and who’s face is on it which was Caesars.He then said to “render onto Caesar things which are Caesars and to God the things that are God’s”. The coinage belonged to Caesar and should be given back to Caesar. I suppose the percentage could be argued into infinity.

          • Patriot II

            eddie; Where did that say give a tithe (10%) to the Federal Government again? I missed that. Wait, maybe I missed the Percentage(%) is what we are to give Caesar, can you quote that one? (what pecentage)?

          • MNIce

            Read the context again, Eddie. Jesus was not talking to His disciples; he was responding to a trick question from his opponents, the Pharisees. They hoped he would either appear to be a toady for the occupying Roman forces, or commit a crime by advocating refusal to paying their taxes.

            The issue at hand is the purpose as well as the amount of those taxes. Romans 13:1-7 makes it clear – God’s purpose for government is to terrorize the evil (thieves, murderers, vandals, etc.), and this is why we pay taxes and honor the authorities.

            (BTW, while I have no wish for Mrs. Pelosi to remain in authority, while she is there, we should hold her in some honor, even if we detest her performance. Also, as a fellow American citizen, she is entitled to basic respect. After all, every voting American citizen has a portion of government authority, so we should treat each other like royalty. And we should remember that Christ gave His life for every human being, whether a tiny individual just conceived, or a crook occupying high office, so let us not revile with personal attacks. We can mock foolish behavior and erroneous claims of Divine authority such as those exhibited by Mr. Obama and Mr. Carney; for God holds the heathen kings in derision (Psalm 2), and His prophets made fun of idolaters.)

            Nowhere are redistributing wealth or caring for the poor mentioned in Scripture as purposes of government. Those are respectively the function of the market-place, and individuals and churches. However, using government authority to oppress one group of people to favor another is strongly condemned, many times. Oppression is precisely what happens when the government imposes unconstitutional mandated purchases upon people who cannot afford the legal expense of fighting them (e. g., the health insurance requirement). Oppression is when government traps people into dependency on government by confiscating money they could otherwise have personally invested for retirement, as in Social Security and Medicare. Oppression is when graduated taxes are used to prevent people from accumulating wealth they could use to do good personally. Oppression is when state regulations require paying money for permits, registrations, certificates or licenses before you are allowed to earn money at your chosen profession, especially when you may not yet have the money to obtain state permission. In short, when a government goes beyond its proper focus and starts terrorizing the good, as we have with the administrative state system you so obviously favor, it becomes oppressive.

        • Jimbo

          I think Jesus meant is: Pay ceasar’s taxes if required while you are in this world, and give your soul to God for the afterlife.

          • Joe H.

            Jimbo,
            I may be mistaken, but somewhere in there didn’t jesus tell them to obey the law of the land??

      • bobby nealey

        I’m not educated like you guys but i seem to remember( i could be wrong)that JESUS said give to ceasar that that belongs to ceasar

        • Patriot II

          bobby; you are talking out of your ignorance, “Render unto to Caesar” has nothing to do with referring to a “Tithe” paid to the CHURCH!!

          To simplify for you, the Church is an Apple. Caesar (the Govt), on the OTHER HAND is an Orange.

          There is no reference in the Bible as to the reccommended PERCENT WE PAY to Caesar (the government)! you are totally out of context.

          Have you ever even read the Bible or are you just repeating what you heard once?

          Go ahead, quote the Scripture to me about what percent (%) we are to pay Caesar. What book, what Chapter and what Verse?

        • jerry sweet

          i hate how some of you try and interprete bible verses.some are right on and you others are as dumb as a box of rocks.i really like the one about obey the laws of the land.he must like the idea of king george and no USA.i am a deciple of Jesus Christ and HIS teachings.i am not a muslim,catholic,morman,or a thousand other man made ways to God.it was Christs precious blood that was spilled,to save a wretch like me!not obama,or the pope or mohamad or beenny hinn,or jan and paul grouch.it was Jesus THE CHRIST.you better start repenting and following and reading that bible,which some one years ago stated the spelling was (basic instructions before leaving earth (BIBLE)we the people have let this happen.we the people allowed con artists to hyjack our churches.we the people allowed roe v wade and have murdered 60 million babies?? we have spilled innocence blood and God hears and sees.we the people let congress sodomize our once proud military.i dont need to go,but we the people have caused God to start pouring out his WRATH on this once christian founded nation.the bible says a nation that forgets God is doomed.we the people allowed our elected reps to throw God and Jesus right out like sacks of garbage. God will not be mocked, for what ever a man sows in this life he will reap on the other side.every knee, yours,MINE,hitler,mohamad, obama,both lovers of Christ and God haters will bend they’re knees and proclaim Jesus Christ is LORD of all.we the people better get right or get left.hebrews chapter 10 i believe states its a scary thing to fall into the hands of a wrathful GOD.oh the person who wrote we should not curse pelosi but we are to pray for those in government is right.I AM ALSO GUILTY of this sin. as i watch Godless mad dog rabid libs destroy my country.but God put obama in.also all the rest.WHY,because we the people forgot Jesus Christ and all of his teaching.hang on we are in for a very terrifying ride and time,and its coming like an out of control downhill freight train.repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. billions will die in the near future.read it for yourself and pray you will escape thru the blood of our only Saviour Jesus CHRIST

      • Alex Frazier

        Patriot, God’s system was a political and economic system as well as a religious one. In the example I gave, the reference was to the point that the 11 tribes were required to give to the 12th. The 12th tribe, the Levites, were also the ruling tribe. They handled all the temple business, made judgments concerning the law and between individuals. They, for all intents and purposes, were the government in the biblical example.

        The “tax” the people paid to the Levites was 10% from the firstfruits of their increase. This was enough to keep the “government” functioning properly. The rest they kept for themselves, and the law was enforced. They didn’t add new laws and legislation that forced hard working Jews with a good harvest year after year to pay more than 10% so that the priests could dole out more to the lazy tribes who didn’t tend their fields or flocks earnestly. They law of Moses provided for small provisions for the poor, like not picking every last ear of corn, or leaving some of the grapes of your vineyard for the poor. But it didn’t demand of anyone that they give more than 10%.

        That’s all I was really trying to say. Charity is something else entirely, and it is a personal decision.

        • Patriot II

          Alex; I understand what you were trying to say, but the Problem is Religion WAS the government then. NOT NOW.

          So the reference of how much (giving 10%) to say what we should pay now to a Non Religious Government does not apply. IT DOES apply however, to what we give our respective Churches today.

          Personally, if they did what our Constitution says they should do we should only need to give them about 3%!

          • Alex Frazier

            You miss the point. If we are to give to the government at all, then 10% is a reasonable and fair limit established by the bible as an amount to give to the ruling authorities. If the Levites hadn’t been assigned the temple duties, they would have gotten an inheritance. But because it was their job to see to the temple and the duties relating to God, their inheritance was 10% of the firstfruits of the labor of everyone else. See Numbers 18:21 – “And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.”

            So just in case you don’t understand your bible well enough, the 10% tithe was to the Levites. The Christian church is under no such obligation. See 2 Corinthians 8:8, where Paul says concerning giving, “I speak not by commandment.” Paul also says to let every man give as he is able, as he has purposed in his heart (2 Cor. 9:7). And he says, “For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened.” (2 Cor. 8:13)

            All I’m saying is that it’s not a religious or political thing, but an economic one. Whoever it is who’s in charge, 10% is enough. So get off the religious thing. I get your point, but that’s not what I’m saying, so your objections are misplaced.

        • Patriot II

          Alex, Yes, I can see you point of of view, Our two pints of View are very different however. I am coming from a Church -going Christian Point of View who does not want or need 90% of what the Federal Government thinks they should do for me.

          Church and my fellow man = 80% of my needs

          Fed Gov = 10% of my needs,

          State Gov = 10% of my needs

          Does that help explain MY point of View?

          I give joyfully 10% of my Gross Income to my Church (God)period.

          Since the effect of Goverment is mostly waste, I object to throwing my money down a rathole. For every dollar I am “forced to give”, (lest I go to Jail) nets me out about 10 Cents in Benefit, the way I see it.

          • Alex Frazier

            No, I’m sorry. I’m not understanding your point of view. Perhaps what you are trying to say sounds better in your own head (no insult intended by that). And if you’re still countering what I’ve said, then you are clearly not understanding what I’m trying to say.

            Point one from the original post was that if Obama were receiving instruction from God on taxation, job creation, etc., 10% would be the limit of taxation, because the government God set up had a tithe (read “tax”) of 10%.

            The video spoke in terms of Obama saying that “God” wanted this or that. So I’m not trying to throw religion into politics. Obama mentioned God. God instructed certain laws and principles. Therefore, if God were guiding Obama, such guidance would be according to those laws and principles.

            If that didn’t clear up what I’m trying to say, then I really don’t know how else to explain it.

        • Jimbo

          Alex, good set up and excellent analogy.

          • jerry sweet

            alex i think you dont understand what you are trying to convey except in your head.i am not knocking you at all,i also do it at times.but remember you are talking old testament and God abolished that system with the new testament.tithing now or as a Jesus man understsands it is to be supportive your local ,where you get fed,so the salarys and the utilities can be taken care of.and take care of the poor,widows and orphans.REmember God and GUNS started this new nation to show the world he has an agenda and thats to spread the gospel of Christ,or the good news,we have perverted that and find ourselves in this mess.hope this helps

        • Patriot II

          Alex; [Point one from the original post was that if Obama were receiving instruction from God on taxation,]

          I understand now what you were trying to say, sorry for not seeing it that way from the start.

          I can see your point!

      • moonbeam

        Here some enlightenment about the history of the Tithe:

        The Tithe was a command given by God to the Children of Israel for the support of the Levite priests. There are no longer any Levite priests.

        There is only one High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. His name is Jesus.

        This command for the tithe was given under The Law. Jesus fulfilled the law with His death on the cross. We are now under Grace. You can not mix the Law with Grace. And this is where many people, churches and pastors (who should know better) make a mistake mixing law with grace.

        Yes, Jesus spoke of the Tithe, but this was BEFORE He laid down His life for the sins of mankind. We are now under Grace. His death on the cross fulfilled the Law. Jesus said “It is finished.”

        What we are to give now is called a Love Offering, or what God puts on your heart to give. Give it all if you want. We are to give it gladly and not as a burden. God doesn’t want it if you can’t give it with a glad heart. When you do give, He returns it back to you.

      • skip

        But make sure there are jobs. I wholeheartedly agree – there is dignity in any kind of work. But it is a sad story when a great company like Qualcomm has over 300 jobs open but no qualified, educated, able people can be found to fill them. We aren’t going to get those jobs filled until the teachers teach them, and if there aren’t teachers, then they won’t be taught. Likewise, Alabama eliminated its Hispanic labor force, and the replacements were 25 times less efficient and lasted only one day. Perhaps we should transfer our farmland to Mexico if we can’t farm it here. Anyone have any ideas?

        • jerry sweet

          i became an adult in the mid 60′s and worked the fields all over the valley of calif.not until the very late 60′s into the 70′s was there a big push to get mexicans into the fields.the hippies would curse the gov.and demand the free services.entitlements they are now called.i have read some of the liberal filth that mexicans always did our farm work and except maybe on the extreem border this was true.but these lying pundits,some of which were not even born yet write articles and brainless masses except it for the truth.i was there and know the truth.white and blacks were 99 percent the field hands.our worthless youth who wanted no work,had no ethics or moral character at all,allowed by stupid parents who allowed it and guess what,a nation of occupiers fed by our own gov.sheeple my wife calls them.give free stuff or be damed is thier motto and they should be tried for treason.anybody my age group born in 47 says otherwise is showing stupidity.its better to let you heighbors think you are an Idiot than to open your mouth and leave them no doubt!!! we have a lot in congress in the highest offices in the land disregarding this old saying.they have become utter fools!!!

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      God would also tell mr. obama to give his LAST PENNY just like the poor sole who gave her all for God.I don’t think he will, do you? But he sure is trying to make all of us give our last penny. Fair and balanced? Equality for everyone, starts at the white house. Equality regardless of anything. When the white house bows to God OUr Creator, then we will be OK. Until then, this man thinks he is god. Heaven help us.

      • Joe H.

        You expect nobummer to give to his fellow man?!?!?!? He won’t even help his own half brother!!! The man is living on 60.00 a month in Africa!!

  • http://comcast. JimBob

    So Janet Tropser, would you care to point out the half-truths in this video? I watched it again to find them and they just aren’t there. Could it be that another liberal has traipsed into a conservative site?

    • Jack

      Sounds about right to me. Have to agree with you about Janet. She sounds as if she voted for the fool in the whitehouse and is now crying and looking for anybody to blame ? Sound like anything we have heard before ?????????????? LOL

      • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

        She can blame God. Just like the president is now doing. Gosh it might be a terrible thing that he has opened up the Bible or it might be a good thing. The only good thing is that he stops living in the past and catches up to the future with the rest of us. As long as he lives in the past trying to fulfill his father’s dreams ….??? then he will continue to ruin everything about America. That was his father’s dream to put America on her knees. He is trying very hard to do so. I hope those who care about America realize they must act to undo the very thing they did, that is to not vote this man for a second term. If he stays as president, he will become a dictator.

        • johnk

          with the way OWS looks, what make you think that Obama will not suspend the elections by martial law and declare himself dictator?

          • eddie47d

            It won’t happen Mr fear monger …but dream on in all your wishes. After you set your clocks back tonight be sure to look under your bed for spies,commies,kooks and whatever else frightens you.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            After THAT cheap shot, I pronounce YOU king of the cheap shots and DON’T want to hear you EVER complain about cheap shots AGAIN!!!!!

          • eddie47d

            But you will accept Johnk’s lies. You are so shallow Joe.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            his are only lies when the truth PROVES him a liar!!!

          • eddie47d

            You’ve got a mighty long time to wait then for it won’t happen in 2012.

        • jerry sweet

          eddie47 i already covered and exposed lames like you.you make statements that bad things come election time wont happen,maybe,no it is because you too are scared buddy to see the truth. stop lying to yourself.God almighty is going to make us an example to the rest of the world when it happens.we will be in a very brutal dictatorship ,the world has ever seen.obama is just a puppet.God will even use fools to accomplish his goals.after all God said it,i believe it and that ends it for me.remember eddie47 who wont open your blind eyes the lake of fire will never end.

  • Alex Frazier

    But ignoring all that from my last post, the jobs bill is a sham. Fact is, I sincerely believe that Obama thinks it’s a good bill. I can feel his frustration. He thinks he’s doing the right thing. He thinks it’s the path to putting people back to work. He is frustrated and confused as to why congress won’t get behind it. Point of fact, the jobs bill is sound Keynesian economics.

    But his jobs bill is paid for through increased taxes and the closing of tax loopholes.

    In other words, it’s the broken window scenario. The argument goes that if a hooligan breaks a shop window, the shop owner has to replace the window. Through that necessity, the glazier is put to work replacing the window. The glue maker who makes the glue to seal the new window is given work. The glass maker who turns the sand into the glass that glazier sets is put to work. The man who bags the sand that the glass maker uses to make the window pane is put to work. The truck driver who transports the sand, and the other driver who transports the finished glass, are both put to work. The laborers who load the trucks are put to work. And everyone with whom these people spend money on their own personal comsumptions are also put to work, and everyone they spend money with, and so on.

    It’s the multiplier effect.

    But what it doesn’t take into account is the fact that the shop keeper was planning on buying a new pair of shoes. That purchase gives work to the line worker at the plant, transportation laborers, fabric makers and material gatherers, rubber makers, glue makers, machine makers, etc. It’s the exact same effect as in the other.

    But instead, the shop keeper has to purchase a new window. And it follows that since he had to replace a thing he already had, it is clear that the amount of productivity and employment has stayed exactly the same, but the shop keeper is now poorer by one pair of shoes, because his money had to go to replace a window broken by a criminal.

    In the case of this jobs bill, paid for with tax money, and in particular tax money taken from corporations, all the government is doing is taking our shoe money to pay for broken windows.

    Via these corporations, we already have a certain number of jobs. Through those jobs, there is a certain amount of labor and wages. Those wages are spent on consumption, which boosts the related industries, and each expenditure leads to the next in the next pair of hands.
    Then comes the jobs bill, which taxes the corporations. Jobs at those companies dwindle. The money that used to go to employing 100,000 people in the private sector now goes to employing 80,000 in the government sector at higher wages. The same general consumptive spending is done, except now the corporations are unable to expand and hire more people, increase their profits, reward their share holders, etc.
    And when the government infrastructure job is complete, the local economy benefitting from the sudden stimulus caused by these government jobs gets hit with a recession as the spending stops. They find themselves stuck with loans they can’t pay, because they lack the patronage they had grown accustomed to. They have inventory they can’t move. They have employees they can’t afford.

    And so the end result is worse than the start. You rob the corporations of their new pair of shoes so that you can impoverish your neighboring city under the guise of good will, job creation, and a misguided sense of philanthropy.

    THAT is what Obama doesn’t understand. His jobs bill, though it appears to be common sense at first glance, would be a disaster in the long run. And it would be a disaster funded through theft.

    • Jack

      Are you for real ??? You really think he thinks he is helping America get on its feet ??? he knows exactly what he is doing,because he is told what to say and do in the first place and it’s NOT to help us ,but to destroy us ! The Muslim POS has to go!

      • Alex Frazier

        Jack, did you happen to read the whole post, or did you just read the first paragraph and respond?

        • Joe H.

          alex,
          Then I’m gonna come break your windows and not give you a CHOICE where your money is spent, so forget those new shoes or fishing rod or car!!!

      • eddie47d

        I don’t know Jack! ha ha but we never know what to do with all the patriotic POSERS who lie to achieve victory. That I do know about Jack.

        • MNIce

          Shame on you, Eddie. You could not come up with a logical rebuttal, so you resorted to name-calling and reviling the other person as a liar. This is a disgraceful way to lose a debate. Don’t you understand the liberals’ common use of this worthless tactic is a major reason why conservatives have such a hard time respecting liberals?

          • http://naver samurai

            Rd-duh, logical? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H.

            samurai,
            don’t forget HEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!

          • JeffH

            MNIce, just for the record so you’ll know, eddie has been proven to be the board liar and he has recieved a vote of no integrity in an informal poll on this website by a tally of 20 – 0. Not one liberal stepped up in his defense. FYI, I have saved eddies lies and posted them on several occassions but he’ll always lie about being a liar which only adds to his list of lies.

          • eddie47d

            I can’t out do Jeff’s lies but he keeps trying. Besides you posted nothing. Nothing but trickery from you Jeff! But you do gleefully accept Jack’s lie and so many others on this site. Since there are only a couple of Liberals on this site especially on Saturday naturally there may not be anyone coming to my defense. What you said only proves that you are a continuous gang bangers. This sites BULLY. Surround the one who is accessible and beat him up. You always do what bullies do. I know I’m out numbers by 100 to 1 but I don’t scare that easily. Okay bully boy!

          • Opal the Gem

            eddie cannot kill the message so he tries to kill the messenger.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            you lie AGAIN!!! JeffH HAS posted a list of your lies numerous times as has DaveH.

          • eddie47d

            Apparently you didn’t read them for none were lies Joe Blow!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            you’re right! He didn’t lie about a single one of them!!!!

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      So do you ask yourself, “why is this president actively destroying capitalism? Is anyone asking why this president is actively destroying capitalism? It is the very essence of freedom in America.! He is so bent on destroying capitalism that he is destroying Americans. How anyone can continually condone his actions which are so obvious, that is tearing the inner structure of America to pieces, I don’t know. It is obvious to more than half the citizens of America and so I do hope you other half vote him out. You are surely cognizant of the damage he has done. Please capitalism makes America work like no other country. Do not destroy it by voting him in again!

      • Patriot II

        Anne;

        ["Is anyone asking why this president is actively destroying capitalism?"]

        I am!, and I have been even before he got elected, ……………and I know why everyone has been so ignorant for so long. THE MARXIST/LIBERAL MEDIA!!

        • eddie47d

          Capitalism (crony capitalism and Wall Street)is destroying itself. Take your blinders off and take on those who are stealing true Capitalism within it’s own ranks. You have met the enemy and it is looking at you in the mirror.

      • usmadgirl

        Anne Gelinas,

        You are so right! You certainly don’t have to worry about me! I’d vote for ANYBODY to get him out of office even though I totally disagree with 3 of the current GOP candidates.

        • Joe H.

          USmadgirl,
          don’t forget SAM The DOG!!! Vote for SAM!!! gotta be better than obam!!!

    • Alex Frazier

      I’m not suggesting that he’s right. I think my post was pretty clear on that point. I’m only saying that, knowing what Keynesian economics teaches, what he’s doing is spot on with that economic school of thought. So I allow him the benefit of the doubt that he’s not trying to deliberately destroy the country when I can see that the things he’s doing is in line with the predominant economic theory in use in our country today. One might even say that he is more zealous about said economic theory than most.

      The stimulus package … Keynesian.
      Infrastructure … Keynesian.
      Government spending … Keynesian.
      Government jobs … Keynesian.
      Military action abroad … Keynesian.
      Wealth redistribution … Keynesian.

      Everything he’s doing is so picture perfect Keynesian economics, I can’t help wondering whether he’s implementing Keynes’ General Theory one chapter at a time.

      On the other hand, he could very well be doing it on purpose.

      But I’d like to believe that he sincerely has our interests at heart, even if his method of going about it is erroneous and ruinous.

      • bp

        Alex: There are only two possibilities; he knows exactly what he’s doing & out to destroy our beloved country, or he’s an idiot. No one can be that stupid & unapologetic. “I’d like to believe” may be our down-fall. We have to face the facts; he sincerely does not have Americans’ best interest at heart.

        • Alex Frazier

          To be clear, what I’d “like to believe” has no bearing on what my actions are going to be. Whether he intends to do right and is simply failing, or whether he’s doing it on purpose, or whether he’s just that stupid … I intend to vote for Ron Paul. If there’s no Ron Paul, I intend to vote for whoever it is that is running against Obama, because no matter how bad they might be, anything has got to be better than what we have right now.

          So don’t take my comments as sympathetic. I just choose not to condemn Obama without personal knowledge of what he knows and what he doesn’t. He MIGHT be getting bad advice from someone. After all, he recently replaced his economics advisor. Might be that everything he was being told to do was backfiring, so he got rid of the bad advice and brought in someone new … who is consequently giving the same Keynesian advice.

          Whatever the case, I’m voting for Ron Paul.

      • usmadgirl

        Alex Frazier,

        I like your explanation of Keynesian economics, however, there is nothing whatsoever that even suggests that O’Dumbo has the interest of the country or its people taken into consideration.

        Before he was elected, he told us exactly what he was going to do. It’s just sad that maybe half the country wasn’t listening. He said he was going to “share the wealth”. He also said, “This is the greatest country in the world. We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America”. Now I’m not a genius, but if something is the greatest in the world, WHY do you want to transform it & transform it to WHAT exactly?
        He is intentionally spending us into economic collapse of the current system. People ask why he’d want to do that? I’ve used this example on this site before, so for those who’ve read it, just ignore it, but for those who haven’t, here it is:

        Tyranny is not built upon a thriving republic, but only by its destruction. A free nation has to be destroyed before tyranny can thrive. Just like remodeling a house, you have to destroy it before you can rebuild it like you want it!

        By bringing down the current infrastructure & by destroying the dollar & our economy, it lays the foundation for him to rebuild the nation “in his own image”. When people lose hope & become desperate, they’re easier to control. When people have nowhere to turn except to the government, then the government has control over the people (tyranny) instead of the people having control over the government (liberty).

        That’s why people like Van Jones, Frances Fox Piven, Steven Lerner, union thugs & other radicals are promoting violent revolution & it has already begun with the OWS who are being played like a violin by the left. They are using the Saul Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” tactics to the letter! Communist, Van Jones said “We want to change the ‘thistem’ (system). We’re gonna change the ‘WHOLE thang’! Top down, bottom up, inside out!

        Our so-called leader hates this country in its current state & thinks the Constitution is no more than a worthless piece of paper; so, there is no way anyone can convince me that this is not intentional. His only agenda is power, greed & control on the path to the New World Order. This has been in the works for a long time!

        • Alex Frazier

          I acknowledge that that may be the case. I’m not blind to the grocery prices and everything else that has doubled. Nor am I blind to Obama’s conspicuous adherence to the Cloward-Piven strategy.

          But it’s still not a sure thing. Democrats always try to hand out money to the lower class, and in general, my argument is that Keynesian economics teaches that government spending is necessary to fill the gap between wages and consumption when wages exceed consumption. This alleged hoarding of wealth, known as savings, is believed in this school of thought to slow the wheels of economic growth. If each dollar doesn’t circulate, then each dollar cannot create productivity to the next link in the chain and promote the continuation of the economic cycle.
          The Keynesian solution is government spending. Through deficit spending, money is flooded into the system, resulting in inflation. Inflation devalues the currency, which, in essence, puts “idle funds” to work; i.e. it steals our savings out from under us. If $1.00 would buy a pack of hot dogs, but you choose not to enrich the hot dog industry by spending on the consumption of hot dogs, then it is necessary for the government to print money through deficit spending. By doubling the money supply, they reduce the purchasing power of your $1.00 by half. So they have effectively put $.50 of your hoarded wealth to work in the economy by printing it out from under you.
          But, they claim, it is for the common good.

          So when we are dealing with a recession, which is to say when people stop spending, the Keynesian solution is for the government to deficit spend. If we aren’t going to spend our money (if we’re going to be wicked thrifts who hoard our wealth), then they need to inflate the currency to put that idle cash to work.

          And that’s what he’s doing. There’s a reason the government is spending money like water. There are many economists who sincerely believe that method is going to work. Consequently, by spending it on infrastructure and other government jobs, the theory of the multiplier kicks in, which I previously discussed. So not only are they effectively inflating away your savings as you attempt to save for a rainy day, they are also creating further recession and are utterly blind to it.

          So there’s ample reason to believe that he MIGHT be trying to do the right thing, but just doesn’t understand the natural laws of economics and is being advised by a Keynesian economist. All one has to do is listen to a liberal economist to understand. After one of the GOP debates, they had a democrat economist on the panel, and she disagreed with most of the candidates. She said, “We don’t need to cut spending. In fact, we saw some small success as the multiplier started to take effect. What we actually need right now is MORE spending.”

          So believe me, die hard Keynesians absolutely believe this stuff. And they sincerely believe it is the solution to our recessionary woes.

          They’re just wrong.

        • Camille

          usmadgirl…

          I believe you are 100% correct! Please everyone, let’s send Barry & his trailer trash family back to Kenya where they belong!

      • usmadgirl

        Alex Frazier,

        Most people with any common sense, which is non-existent in the current administration, know that you can’t spend more money than you have coming in. That’s as idiotic as me going out to buy a bigger house, a new car & a boat when I don’t have enough income (with the doubled price of gas, groceries & utilities & my income lower than it was before O’Dumbo took office) to pay for household & business expenses, now! That might help the economy for a very short time, but it’s going to send me to bankruptcy court! This is exactly where these lunatics are taking the country!

        If it weren’t for the numerous radical “czars” he’s appointed, who answer to no one for their actions, Keynesian economics might seem like a logical explanation, but the people he’s appointed are all sociopaths. They are ALL anything but Capitalists. Some are Socialists, some Marxists, some Communists & most, including our “president”, idolize the murdering Chairman Mao. A few have left the White House due to their exposure by Glenn Beck, but they are still, in some capacity, involved in the procedures of the government.

        Here’s a recent article about John Holdren. As you probably know, he’s O’Dumbo’s “Science Czar” who advocates genocide! He said that the population needs to be controlled, but he knew people wouldn’t go for it (awe, seriously?); so the best way would be to “go through the back door with diseases”. He also wants to put sterilants in the water supply to control the population. He’s probably the one who included the “death panels” in O’Dumbocare. What a freak! Now he’s giving sensitive US technology to China.

        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=364197

        All I can say is, from your comments on this site, you seem way too intelligent to be sucked into this administration’s web of deceit!

        • Alex Frazier

          Not to worry my dear. I’m not sucked in. I’m trying to save my own life, because if I choose to believe in their wickedness wholeheartedly instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt, I might end up shooting someone, or many someones, in very high places.

        • Alex Frazier

          Excellent article, by the way.

    • meteorlady

      I agree – it seems funny that spending more money will put us all back to work. I own a business and I can tell you that the GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS. The hinder job creation and business growth at every opportunity. I pay city, county, state and federal taxes. I have to pay a premium for land to put my business on and I have to conform to all regulations passed they these entitles.

      The reason businesses are moving out of the US is the regulations, labor costs and the cost of owning the property their business sits on.

      For Obama to advocate spending more is just insanity. We are in DEBT – so much so that if we didn’t spend another cent on anything new we could spend $100 MILLION PER DAY and it would take 389 years to pay off our debt. By 2021 with the same no new spending scenario and government stays at the same levels, we will be paying $1.4 TRILLION just to service the interest on the DEBT. By 2046 all we will be able to do is service the interest – no more government at all.

      I for one want to hear the plans for paying off the debt….. not spending more money to keep union workers in their high paying jobs.

    • CJM

      Alex: The broken window theory is nothing like you explained. What the broken window principle simply states: leave a broken window unrepaired, and other forms of neighborhood decline will follow. As you can see, it has NOTHING to do with jobs. This principle was written by James Q Wilson and George L Kelling—any student in Criminal Justice can tell you this.

  • john t

    it looks like obama and his monkeys are already on the banana boat and what a mess they are making.

    • CJM

      Which is why the United States is on the skids!

  • Sick of this BS

    Three years of the extream left BS is ENOUGH! I want America to be proud of her heritage and just stick it to the one’s that have brought nothing but fear, racisem and anti American rhetoric. The race baiters should be put in jail for insighting violence. PC should die out and bullies be slapped down.

    • Warrior
      • eddie47d

        That wasn’t much more than unsubstantiated swill. LOL

      • Joe H.

        Warrior,
        I wasn’t gonna check out your site as I know Townhall pretty well, but when eddie said it was unsubstaniated swill I KNEW it had to be true and good!!!!

        • JeffH

          Joe H., gotta agree…of course eddie is unable to counter the article which means he’s got no arguement.

        • eddie47d

          The gullible accepting fiction as fact. Nothing new there.

          • Opal the Gem

            nothing new here either. You cannot counter the article so you claim it is false. Just business as usual for you eddie.

          • eddie47d

            I did read the thread OPAL so where are you facts. Nothing…Never as always!

          • jerry sweet

            why not do your self a favor and shut up,or do you like debasing youself.every time you write it showss what a lame blind and stupid person you are but you are something to laugh at

  • Jerry

    I’ve been watching this whole folly unfold for many years now. I know everyone is screaming jobs, jobs, jobs, but what Obama and nearly everyone else fails to realize is simply this: It took us years, billions of lobbyist dollars to create loopholes in the tax code, graft, corruption and cheating to get ourselves where we are. To simply say, if we just get everyone to pay their fair share, we can have jobs. Except for the glaring truth, Government can only create Government jobs, not private sector jobs, which are the true engine of economic prosperity. Begin today, by first examining every government agency, every bit of government spending, and eliminate waste, fraud, graft and corruption. At the same time, examine whether Government even ought to be in the business of providing whatever the agency does, and if it can be streamlined. I guarantee that one move alone will free up enough money to do whatever it is you want to do. About the growing sense of entitlement just for being on the planet, well, that’s a harder nut to crack. We seem to forget that this country was built on freedom, entrepreneurship, and rugged individualism, not follow the pack lack of accountability, blaming, and hand outs. Until we can change the mindset of people to realize they have an obligation to be all they can be, we are destined to 2nd class national status.

    • Patriot II

      Jerry; Very well put , I agree with everything you just said.

    • bp

      Jerry; Right, privatize everything. Without a profit motive, there is no incentive for stream-lining & efficiency. We need a Sarah Palin. Government is addicted to OPiuM, Other People’s Money.

  • skip

    Now we know – the Koch Brothers, whose wealth is inherited and is in the billions, have purchased Herman Cain, for all intents and purposes own and fund the Tea Party, heavily influence Clarence Thomas and other Supreme Court Justices, and whose agenda is quite simple – make the rich richer, and wipe out the middle class at all costs. So any of you who are not in the upper 2%, kiss your keesters goodbye. If your vision for the nation is 1858, by all means go forward with these guys full on. Get rid of the FAA, the FDA, the interstates, penicillin, health care, go forward with the polluting the air, fouling the rivers, and re-instating us of all the terrible things that regulation has prevented – typhoid, malaria, child labor, polio, railroad crossing catastrophes, mid-air collisions, Wall Street/AIG/Countrywide Credit rape, etc. What the hell, lets go back to every man for himself. That worked at the OK Corral, and by Tea Party and the Koch Brothers, it will work in 2011 in D.C.

    • Jerry

      Skip, I think I see what you are saying. Everything that’s good, right and pure has come from government intervention, and everything is a right wing plot against humanity. It’s all the Koch Brother’s faults. Please see my above post, particularly the phrase “follow the pack lack of accountability, blaming, hand outs”. What a one sided distortion you have presented!

      • Patriot II

        Jerry, Good reply to Skip, your words here:

        [“follow the pack lack of accountability, blaming, hand outs”. What a one sided distortion you have presented!]

        the “Pack” I refer to as the “Sheople”

      • eddie47d

        Somebody has to counteract the one sided right wing distortions. You think?

        • Patriot II

          Eddie; you have that just 180 Degrees the wrong way, we have to Counteract the Liberal Left wing Lying Marxist Media that has brainwashed you into thinking the way you do.

          • Joe H.

            Patriotll
            To do that I hope you have a backpack nuke as thats what it will take to POP eddies head out of the very deep recesses of his WAZOO!!

          • eddie47d

            It’s just too easy to expose you all. Maybe you(Joe) should go into fiction writing for your drivel get’s better with each passing day.

          • Opal the Gem

            well eddie if it is so easy why don’t you try doing it instead of bad mouthing them.

    • Warrior

      Please tell us where we can sign up and acquire some of those free Koch Brothers funds. Sounds like the Koch’s are in competition with gubmint handouts. New form of capitalism I suppose? You’re a true Dufus.

    • http://naver samurai

      Kock brothers, baaaaa! Tea Party, baaaaa! The rich, baaaaa! Wipe out the middle class, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Another darn sheeple to come and show just how much of an ignorant troll they really are. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Stephanie J. Samuels, M.D.

        Just another anti-Semitic rant that is baseless and the author of this idiocy offers no proof, which is proof positive that it is of lefty origin. Do ya think that Barry Soetoro, aka BH Obama/Osama, the pretender and illegal president was funded by George Soros? Probably not as this makes too much sense and reality for a brain washed non-thinker like you. Por favor, vaya a Cuba si communism se gusta!

        • Joe H.

          Hey Doc Samuels,
          Who are you directing that at?? Kinda hard to know!!

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      Please keep in mind that all the issues you brought up Skip all cost so much money, no one has that kind of money anymore. And if you keep taxing and taking until there is none to take to pay for all these issues you listed, where will we go from there? Do you not realize that as long as many people in our country cry wolf and the government responds then there will be nothing after the wolves devour whatever they are given. Think about it. If we all have to pay for every issue everyone has rather than have them work for a pay at any menial labor, then the American way of life is lost. Americans can work in the fields and do the hard dirty labor of their ancestors you know. Since when was it humiliating to work a job where your hands actually got dirty? Is there a law that says just because you are an American you can’t clean rooms in hotels and motels, or work picking melons and apples? Is there a law that says anyone cannot do labor? Surely, if this president thinks God believes in jobs!!! then he knows that God is waiting for all people to do hard work. Regardless of how much they earn!! So mr. obama suddely is telling all of you to get out and work for your supper and your wages! Stop this living off others and get any job. That is what God said in the bible, that any rich man who could offer jobs to the laborers, to do so. He also paid them a fair wage. But you the folks who are the laborers, are refusing any hard jobs and looking for EASY STREET! No matter what any American thinks they deserve, someone else is always asked to pay for it! That is wrong! Work is work. We just cannot afford to pay out all the charities we send money to across the oceans and not keep it here. So there is your money for all your issues! Going to poorer countries. Is that something you would prefer to stop? If so, then you will have plenty of money here to pay for everyone else to sit on their bums and collect from all other hardworking people. I am one of those hardworking people. So stop asking me to give more and more as I am getting sick of hearing it.

    • meteorlady

      Ah the left has George Soros and they get dinged about that a lot so now they have to have someone on their side to ding us with – enter the Koch Brothers. These are the guys that run one of the only privately held corporations in this country. They have received numerous awards for their labor conditions and the fact that their business is well run and employs about 20,000 US CITIZENS. The rest is that they are very conservative – their grandfather I believe started the John Birch Society – a society that by the way predicted all this would happen back in the 1960′s. I can’t seem where they are a bad influence – they are capitalists to the core and love this country for what it once was and could be again.

    • meteorlady

      So how would you pay for all these “rights” you advocate? Without people like me you have nothing. I work to provide jobs and run a business to make money. No money – I go out of business.

      As for regulations, since Obama took office there are 42,000 pages of new regulations. Most are at the request of special interest groups that will make money off them, but the regulation does nothing for the environment or working conditions or the food supply.

      As for the FDA – hmmmmm, seems we have a lot of illnesses cropping up that would not if they did their job adequately. What about all the foreign sources of food that are entering this country? And since when is health care a “right”? Before Obamacare there is not one single person that can say that healthcare was not available to them. In fact one hospital in Dallas stated that it costs them about $4 MILLION PER YEAR to treat illegals and indigent people in their emergency rooms. A little flash for you here – that is added to their bottom line and the increase the cost of health care because of it.

      So we are in DEBT and if we spend nothing more, no new services and no increase in the size of the government – we would have to pay 100 MILLION PER DAY FOR THE NEXT 389 years to pay it off. That’s per the Congressional Budget Office… and by 2021 we will be paying $1.4 TRILLION Just on the interest to service the debt.

    • Jimbo

      I can see a liberal taking a swipe at Herman Cain, but by including a remark about Clarence Thomas in your rant it makes it painfully obvious that you are a liberal racist who can’t stand to see a real black man succeed.

    • bp

      Skip is sick with liberalism; can’t see straight.

    • usmadgirl

      Skip,

      Sorry, but I think I’m gonna barf! Can you say, George Soros, Union thugs, rich celebrities? You’re another one living in a backwards, parallel universe! Where in this world do you come up with this distorted crap?

  • Patriot II

    Obama is right! HIS God (Alla) does want the further destruction of America, so of course he is in favor of his Jobs Bill.

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      Nail on the head! You got it right.

    • eddie47d

      Allah wants folks to be employed with jobs bill(you say Obama),so does that mean that the anti-Allah’s (you) want unemployment to grow?

      • Patriot II

        eddie, If his Jobs bill was fair (and not one sided just for union employees only), and he paid for it by cutting Government wastefull spending, …..then I would consider supporting it.

        NO, I do not and WILL NOT CONDONE IGNORANCE that says Taxing people more ,before Fixing the Federal Govenment’s waste and corruption is any kind of solution. FIX IT FIRST, then we can talk about taxing anyone anymore than what they are taxed now., Especially to drain the Capital (no matter where it is) only to WASTE IT!!! What part of that don’t you get?

  • larry w

    Do not forget The USA was not built through Political Correctness.
    It is my opinion, political correctness was the first step on the slippery slope to socialism.

    • Patriot II

      larry; You are right on Bro!!

    • http://naver samurai

      I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

        I third that motion. God Bless America.

    • John Haines

      AMEN!

    • wog1

      Not only is it as you say but it was invented by a progressive to manipulate people into their line of thinking. Face the facts. Period.

    • Patriot II

      Larry, Also “Tollerance” is Big Step into that Slippery Sloap!

    • usmadgirl

      Larry,

      I’m a little late here, but I’ll “forth” that!

      • Joe H.

        Larry,
        Nothing but the unadulterated TRUTH!!! Very good post!

  • FreedomFighter

    End the Fed.

    Fire all demonrats

    Vote Ron Paul

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Warrior

      Yes,
      Yes
      and Hell Yes.

      • Joe H.

        Oh, hell YES!!!

  • Jim J

    Alex Frazier is RIGHT ON. He sounds like an educated man. It’s a breath of fresh air for me to see a post that actually uses good grammar and punctuation, proper capitalization, and complete sentences, especially when it includes sound reasoning in its’ arguments. Thank you, Alex!

    • Alex Frazier

      Many thanks dear Sir.

  • Sam

    osambo has been outed as a Satanist by Satanist Winter Laake (Coast to Coast, 10/28/11). osambo has demanded that St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans be removed from the Bible (this book is seen as the core of Christianity).

    osambo is evil. DON’T LISTEN TO HIM!

    • Karolyn

      ROFLMAO!

  • Stephanie J. Samuels, M.D.

    AS I psychiatrist I can with clinical certainty that leftist-liberal-commies suffer from a psychotic delusional disorder thus making them both mentally ill and dangerous which in many states is sufficient for commitment to a psychiatric hospital. It is a difficult disorder to treat, being resistant to psychiatric meds. There is also a large amount of psychopathy involved in their delusions. Of course, there are also players who are just in it for the power and really do not believe what they espouse. No Kool Aide is necessary to catch this disorder, just brainwashing or a propensity to do the same dysfunctional things repeatedly and expecting a different outcome. However, the Americn people allegedly elected Barry Soetoro, although I suspect a great many of them were dead at the time they cast their ballots. Many others voted several times and many were made up or imaginary “friends of Barry O.” Nevertheless, we, the American People have the power to legally remove this illegally elected “president” who provided a forged birth certificate that has been replicated by other computer savy folks. Anyone who cites Herman Cain or Sarah Palin as misspeakers should remember that Barry thought there were more than 57 states, did not know his dauter’s age, cannot pronounce Corpsman correctly and is a muslim who covered Christian objects at Notre Dame and at a commencement address. Obviously paranoid, probably still using cocaine among other substances and trying his damnest, no pun intended, to destroy this Country. We are very close, if not already in the grip of a George Soros Communist dictatorship. We must take action now, knowing the enemy, who has finally crept out from under the rocks they have been hiding under like the media, Hollywood, unions, educational institutions, the Federal government, ad nauseum. We need 1 million Sen.Joe McCarthys to weed out and destroy this cancer NOW!!!!

    • Karolyn

      Wow! I sure wouldn’t want to have YOU for my shrink if I needed one! Although I do believe that most people do need some therapy.

      • Patriot II
      • eddie47d

        Stephanie the doctor?? ROFLMAO!!

        • Joe H.

          That’s right eddie scoff at something you know absolutly NOTHING about. You know, LIKE HARD WORK?!?!?!?!?

          • JeffH

            :) or telling the truth…

          • eddie47d

            I’m way ahead of Jeff in telling the truth.Joe knows better but spreads lies like wildfire.You guys are getting creepier!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Yeah, if I get a whole lot worse, I’ll be just like YOU!!!!

          • eddie47d

            Too late Joe for you are too far gone.

          • Joe H.

            JeffH,
            eddie ADMITTED it!! He said I got a lot worse so I’m just like HIM!!!

    • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

      Well if someone else wrote the president’s book, and his past is his present and because my thinking says he is an imposter, it is easy to see why he doesn’t know how old “his” daughter is. Actually there could be two presidents , one who can orate, and one who cannot. It is the issue since he ran. Cloning has taken place and half of America cannot see that this man has two faces. And two different minds. And two different religious beliefs. That means one is a muslim, the other belongs to rev. wright and we all don’t know which is which.

    • http://charter howe

      Amen brother and its ironic that I spent 29 years in the military thinking that I was fighting all forms of radiculism including communism and now I find out there are 70 avowed socialist democrats in the House and dozens in the Senate and the Whitehouse. If these nitwits could see some of the crapholes that communism exists in, they would shed the socialist democrats like a bad case of the hives. I fear that they won’t take their heads out of the sand until it won’t matter what they do. Talk about a brainwashed herd mentality.

    • Camille

      Dr. Samuels,
      Right-On!!!!

  • Huapakechi

    Keep your knives sharp Ben!

  • wog1

    I see where Pelosi is happy with the 9% unemployment. I guess by now it is just old hat. I suggest that the voters deselect her and put her on the unemployment line and see is she is still happy.

    • Stephanie J. Samuels, M.D.

      Did you mean dissect/vivisect????

      • Joe H.

        HMMMMMMMM? I’m thinking, I’M THINKING!!!!

      • independant thinker

        Perhaps Necropsy was what they meant.

  • http://charter howe

    Have you ever had a thought come into tour mind all of a sudden that answered a stubborn problem for you. Well I had such a moment when I got a close look at Pelosi face because I realized what the true meaning of coyote ugly was. Of course I want to make it clear that I never had any urge to do anything personal except call her out for being the deceitful liar she is. 5 hail mary’s and an act of contrition wouldn’t save her from what our lord has planned for her.

    • Stephanie J. Samuels, M.D.

      Coyotes aen’t ugly but demons from hell sure are when their evil come thru their human incarnation. This entity, like the rest of her ilk are pure EVIL.

    • Patriot II

      howe, You mean unless she changes her ways and gets saved? In that Case she will be forgiven and not have to be condemmed to Hell like we think she is now.

      • http://charter howe

        Patriot II, I wish I had better news for you, but Pelosi is a socialist Marxist idealogue who will never change, so while the lord would forgive people more evil than she is, WE THE PEOPLE should just hope and pray that she is getting too old to take the pressure and that she retires soon. The 117 million that she has in bank account would not be as much fun to spend as taxpayer money is and as speaker of the house for four years she was the Queen bee of all spending that drove us to debt and deficit overload. Obama keeps blaming Bush, but have you ever heard one word about the democratic house under Pelosi as speaker being the major cause of the National debt. Of course not, its always been Bush’s fault. Maybe someday people will figure out that the House of Representatives controls the purse strings in our country.

        • Joe H.

          howe,
          that’s 117 million that we KNOW of!!! I wouldn’t be suprised to find she has MILKED a WHOLE lot more!!!

  • FreedomFighter

    http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/conspiracy/esoteric-agenda—full-documentary.html

    Got some time, interesting Vid, NWO want you dead.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    The population of the United States is little over 312.5 million. How many Occupy Wall Street troglodites are there? What percentage of the population would that be?

    • Patriot II

      Merlin, .0000000099

      They are so ignorant they don’t know their math!

      • Alex Frazier

        lmao!

        • Patriot II

          Alex, thanks (I think), I only speak English, what does “Imao” mean and what language is it?

          • Alex Frazier

            It means: laugh my a$$ off.

  • http://EXPLORER WI LDA WOODS

    King Obama had better read the TEN COMMANDENTS AND SEE HOW MANY HE HAS DISOBEYED!!!!!
    i DON’T THINK OUR gOD WILL BE ON HIS SIDE. GOD WILL TURN A DEAF EAR TO HIM!!!!
    NOW I DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HIS OTHER GOD . THAT SEEMS TO GET MOST OF HIS ATTENTION!!!!

  • mari

    Hey, what happened to those anti-God atheists??? Why aren’t they putting up huge billboards slamming our president for referring to God? HMMMM, they seem very selective on whom they will denounce. Could it be that they are one of the little foxes that the Bible talks about that ruin the vine? We seem to have many groups that appear to be against each other but for some reason support one another for the greater good (for them that would be the destruction of America). Fox hunt, anyone?

    • Patriot II

      mari; Good Point!!

  • Pastori Balele

    President Obama knows his bible very well – better than Mitt Romney, Gingrich, Cain, Bachmann, Buchanan, Perry, Paul and other GOP candidates. Obama’s life is similar to many of us who have gone many struggles but managed to pull fine. Let’s give President Obama another 4 years.

    • Patriot II

      Pastori;

      How do you breath?

      • Joe H.

        Patriot ll,
        He has GOT TO HAVE a snorkle sticking out of his WAZOO!!!

    • Patriot II
      • Alex Frazier

        Great video clip.

    • Alex Frazier

      Pastori, I’m going to assume you’re joking, because if you’re serious, you need your head examined. And probably your soul, too.

    • Jimbo

      Care for another cup of “kool-aid”?

      • Jimbo

        The kool-aid was meant for Pastori.

    • s c

      P, you sound like someone whose knowledge of the English language is substandard. P, is a man who refuses to stop the murder of babies fit to be in the White House? Your “leader” KNOWS that Planned Parenthood will stop at nothing to murder babies.
      Did you know that Margaret Sanger, the icon of all practitioners of eugenics, HATED all blacks, and wanted to see every black baby aborted? Is THIS the man you want to see in the White House for another 4 years?
      Until your White House “leader” rejects Planned Parenthood and stops the murder of babies in America (especially black babies), he is not fit to be in the White House, and YOU are not fit to have an opinion on the topic. LEARN and THINK and speak because you KNOW. You have been brainwashed, and you do not understand.

    • JeffH

      Guess who taught Obama about the bible? Rev. Jeremiah Wright!

    • Camille

      Pastori,
      Are you kidding me???? Another 4 years with Barry? I’d rather kill myself!

  • L.R. Mack

    Hey, Jay…you may want to actually READ the Bible before you try quoting it?

  • Karolyn

    Instead of getting better with practice, Ben is getting more and more lame.

  • Bob

    I wonder if the plastic surgeon who worked on ‘ol Nancy was wondering …

    we won’t know what she will look like until we open her up….???

    • Patriot II

      Bob; Nancy was pretty normal looking compared to Michael Jackson, have you seen pictures of him just before he died? The Defense makes alot of sense to me, If I looked like that I’d have thoughts of suicide as well.

      • Joe H.

        Patriot,
        When he was up on charges, he was real worried. The prison system will not let you wear a wig or anything else that changes your appearance. With that prosthetic piece on his face…….

  • Baba

    Has anyone read the 199 pages of the New Jobs Bill? Here we go again! Leaving out the ifs, ands, buts, ors,howevers,in additions…. the bill would probably be 5 pages of more government take-over gobbleygook. That’s why The Jobs Bill cannot get passed by Congress. Duh!

    • Patriot II

      Baba; yes you are right, the problem is that the Libs/Dems beleive what the Maxist Media tells them what Obama is saying.

  • Randy

    We pray as the church who longs for her heavenly bridegroom to “come quickly Lord Jesus” – maybe Obama is part of the plan of last days judgments that would unwittingly hasten that blessed event. I believe we are living in the last days and if you think the church is going to get raptured – you have believed a lie.

    • Alex Frazier

      The people in the first century thought they were in the last days. So did the people during the time of Constantine. And those during the dark ages. It was surely on the horizon during the black plague. The age of enlightenment was definitely a step away from the church and towards secularism. Hitler was undoubtedly the antichrist. 1940s … The Jews back in Israel! Surely the end is near. Ronald Reagan and the cold war … no doubt the stars falling from heaven were nuclear missles.

      Everyone thinks they see the end coming. If you’re serious about understanding the end, perhaps you should research the beginning.

  • Carol

    Thank God for Freedom Of Speech it so wonderful we really don’t understand how wonderful it truely is until we lose it and by the look of what is happening that just might happen if WE DON’T WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES sooner than later or it might be to late.

  • Blackbart

    I have heard Obama quote scripture one time, in which case he took it out of contents and slammed 3 scriptures. I have heard him read and support the koran, I have heard him pray with the muslems, both of which are direct violations of the Ten Commandements. He has denounced Christianity. What more do you need to hear.

    As for someone saying Pelosi could give her life to Christ and be saved, I think it was the bible expert, it is ot that simple. You must ask for forgiveness for each of you sins. You must also ask forgiveness to those you have sinned against. For these public figures you sin against a large amount of people, it will be a task for them to come to those they have sinned against. You also have the unforgivable sin, that which Jesus says there can be no forgiveness. So just saying you accept Christ now is not a one way ticket to heaven, never has been, never will be. If it was everyone would just do what they want and then with their dying breath accept Christ

    • Alex Frazier

      Technically, the God of Islam is the same God worshipped by the Christians and the Jews. The difference is our method of worship, and of course, our prophet of significance. The Jews have Moses, the Christians have Jesus, and the Muslims have Mohammed. But we all have the same God. The God of Abraham.

      Look it up for yourself.

      • Patriot II

        Alex, so what you are saying is; the difference is what Christ Said in order to clarify Gods position which was,(is) needed to correct Islams false interpretation of the behavior he wants in man, right?

      • MNIce

        Alex, this time you failed to do your research. It is true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim to worship the One God of Abraham. But the objects of their belief and veneration are quite different.

        The Christian believes God has revealed Himself to have three persons (in contrast to the single personality humans have). They believe God the Father is close, loving and interested in us, so much so that He keeps count of the hairs on our heads (Matthew 10:30). They believe that because He loves us, God the Son came to earth, “was born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law,” died and physically rose to life again so the evil each of us does will not separate us from God (unless we reject Him). They believe God the Holy Spirit comes to individuals and gives them faith in the doctrines of the Bible so they may be saved from their sins. “He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned.” The Christian views sin, death, and evil in this world as the consequence of Adam’s first sin, and God’s judgment thereupon, not as God’s will. The Christian view of the origin of evil is that while God created beings with free will and thus the capability of rebellion, God is not responsible if some of His creation misused that free will.

        The (non-Messianic) Jews often view God as somewhat remote, and deny that the prophecies of Isaiah (7:14, 9:6-7, 53) describe Jesus. They also deny the Trinity. Belief in the nature of God’s judgment and one’s fate after death varies considerably according to the particular variety of Judaism. (In Jesus’ time, the Pharisees held to much the same belief in resurrection as Christians, but the Sadducees denied any resurrection of either body or soul. These differences still exist.) Under the ceremonial Law of Moses, the sins of the people were covered with the blood of sacrifice by the grace of God, but now Judaism in general has degenerated into a system of becoming righteous through works. (This is illogical if one understands God demands perfection, and having committed one sin – ever – makes perfection humanly impossible.) I do not know how Jews view the origin of evil, but I expect it is as varied as belief in resurrection.

        Muslims view Allah as remote, demanding and arbitrary rather than loving, yet they claim he is merciful. The Muslim believes if he follows the five pillars of Islam faithfully, God might give him a chance at Paradise. Otherwise, the only sure way to salvation is death in jihad. In short, Islam is another system of salvation through one’s own works. Mohammed erroneously claimed the Christians worship three Gods – the Father, Jesus and Mary, and he was unsure he would be admitted to Paradise even though he claimed to be Allah’s highest-ranking prophet. Muslims also teach that Allah intentionally created evil and it was His will that man would sin and be thrown out of Paradise.

        No, Alex, we do not all worship the same God.

        • Alex Frazier

          MNIce, I didn’t fail to do anything. You agreed with what I said. To quote you, “It is true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim to worship the One God of Abraham. But the objects of their belief and veneration are quite different.”

          Maybe you misunderstood me, or just had a knee jerk reaction to what I said. But you restated exactly what I said. All three faiths claim to worship the same God, unlike a Buddist who doesn’t worship the Judeao-Christian God at all, but Buddha, who is something else entirely. Likewise, the objects of our belief and veneration are different; i.e. Moses, Jesus, Mohammed.

          The rest of what you wrote I barely glossed over. As soon as I realized that you thought you were going to school me in religion, I stopped taking it seriously.

          I hate to have to say this to you, but you are one of those people that is blinded with tunnel vision. You said what I said, proved my point, and are too close minded to realize that this is so.

          We all DO worship the same God. God does not cease to be God because someone has been misled to believe that they have to follow the five pillars of Islam. He does not cease to be God because some Jew chooses to deny who Christ was. God is still God.

          You are treating what I said as though I were saying that Jews and Muslims are saved, just like Christians are. But I’m not saying that. I’m saying that it’s the same God, regardless of whether their manner of worship is salvic or not.

          In the future, you would do well to exercise being swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath. From where I sit, you meant well, but you put your foot in your mouth.

    • Jimbo

      Blackbart, I think the only unforgivable sin is not accepting the gift of salvation given from God through his son Jesus Christ.

      • Blackbart

        The unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

        Matthew 12:32
        32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
        NIV

  • s c

    May Queen Nancy Pelosi live for many, MANY years – in ANOTHER country. Better yet if that country is on another planet.

    • Joe H.

      sc,
      where nan Peelousey is going to be residing for many,many, MANY, years, she won’t have to pay a heat bill!!! She’ll be REAL warm!!!

  • JR

    Say, Ben… couldn’t Nancy pay for any surgery by getting a kickback from her brother-in-law’s bailout at Tonopah Energy? You Tonopah Energy, or “Son of Solyndra.”

  • http://yahoomail herman mccloud

    The teaching of christ and(Gospel)of obama has nothing to
    do with the gospel teachings which we are use too, Our western
    hemisphere gospel is from the deciphered archives of the original
    scrolls of documented proof according to the individual
    dictation of various apostles and translated into english, What
    obama is trying to shove down our throats is the gospel version
    from the muslim faith, which is based on a book of writings
    ezcepted by muslims as revelations, but wheres the proof or the
    legitimacy of the wirtings of that book ? Yea’ Right !

    • Karolyn

      Where’s proof of the legitimacy of the writings of the Bible as well?

      • Alex Frazier

        Where’s the proof of the legitimacy of the writings of Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny, Herodotus, Plutarch, Eutropius, Livy, or any other historian?

        Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The historacity of the bible is provable through archaeology, secular comparisons, and eye-witness testimony in written and verbal form.

        If you choose not to believe in God, that’s your option. But don’t try to discredit the bible. It’s an exercise in futility. Much smarter people have tried and failed. In actual point of fact, an aetheist once set out to prove the bible false because he objected to his daughter converting to Christianity. At the conclusion of his research, he became a Christian and wrote a book about his intellectual journey called Evidence that Demands a Verdict. You should look it up and give it a read.

        • Karolyn

          I do believe in God but not the God portrayed in the Bible. Even if the Bible is fact, there are many interpretations and translations that say different things, and you can’t ptove that your interpretation is the right one. Scribes were certainly fallible also.

          • Alex Frazier

            Yeah, scribes are fallible. There are errors in the bible. Unlike some, I don’t try to deny the hand of man. But the errors you refer to are simple errors, what today we would call typos. That hardly discredits the bible.

            But whatever. I’m not here to teach you religion. If you want to believe God is a flying spaghetti monster, or whatever else, have at it. Whatever suits your fancy.

          • bp

            Karolyn; name one.

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            Yes, man is failable, but you forget the Bible was written with the guidance of God. He, unlike youe aliens are NOT failable!!

          • Alex Frazier

            bp, just FYI, the bible we have today is translated from one of two sources. The Nestle-Aland Greek compilation or the Textus Receptus compiled by Erasmus in the 1500s. Both versions of the Greek text are the result of textual criticism. Many manuscripts were compared, and the scholars putting the text together did the best they could to decide what the “original” or “autograph” text actually said, since a great number of manuscripts have additions, subtractions, clarifications, etc. In fact, one of the oldest manuscripts available, Codex Vaticanus, has a note written in the margin saying, “don’t change the text, you knave,” because some presumptuous scribe or acolyte took it upon themselves to correct something.

            But as a matter of actual fact, our three oldest manuscripts, Codices Alexandrinus, Vaticanus, and Sinaiticus, don’t agree with each other 100%. So what she’s saying is absolutely correct. There ARE many translations, which can be seen with a simple study of the extant manuscripts and textual criticism. There are also many interpretations, because that’s all textual criticism is. It is a scholar, or a group of scholars, trying to determine which text most closely represents the autograph copy, and that determination is based entirely on their opinion of which rules and conditions constitute the most likely reading; i.e. their interpretation.

    • MNIce

      While Mr. Obama has made favorable statements about aspects of Islam, and he was raised in an Islamic household in Indonesia for part of his childhood, he has never definitively stated he is a Muslim. (A good Muslim is very definite and is required to proclaim daily, “There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.”) He has said Jesus is his Lord and Savior, but it is uncertain what he believes that means. Many of the teachings of Jeremiah Wright, his pastor for 20 years, are unscriptural, so Mr. Obama is probably as confused on this subject as he sounds.

      I don’t think Mr. Obama seeks to establish a Muslim caliphate; I think he is pursuing the false hope of a world-wide socialist utopia on earth. And like many with such well-intentioned dreams and the assumed power to fulfill them, he can rationalize anything he does in the process. So yes, he does need to be viewed as a usurper of the rights and powers of the people and a potential tyrant, if he is not actually one already.

  • Dave

    Hypocrisy …

    Hypocrisy comes in all colors, ages, and sexes … Hypocrisy comes in all religious faiths, or those who have no religious faith at all … Hypocrisy is everywhere, every day, and never goes away . . .

    Jesus Christ is never hypocritical … Jesus Christ died for all colors, ages, and sexes … Jesus Christ is the answer for people of all religions and those who have no religious belief at all . . . Jesus Christ is everywhere, every day, and never goes away.

    God sent His Son, Jesus, to be born and live among humans as one of us, to suffer the things that we all go through, and then allowed us to crucify Him. He died on that Cross, was buried in a stone tomb, and rose from the dead on the third day. He did all of this to provide a way for sinful Man to have a means to be forgiven of Sin and to be worthy, in the eyes of God the Father, to have eternal life and to enter into Heaven.

    Jesus paid the price for your sins and for mine. To claim this gift of salvation, forgiveness, and eternal life, you must willingly and genuinely accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. This is a decision that only you can make.

    If you believe that you are a sinner, as is everyone, and you want the peace, love, and joy that comes from having a personal relationship with God, please open your heart and earnestly pray this prayer:

    Lord Jesus,

    I am a sinner and know that I deserve an eternity of punishment in Hell for my sins. I believe that You are the Son of God and that You came to Earth to pay the price for my Sins. I ask You to be my personal Lord and Savior and to come into my heart and completely fill me with your Holy Spirit. Forgive me my sins, cleanse me from all unrighteousness, and abide with me forever. Thank You , Lord Jesus for loving me and saving me !

    Amen

    If you sincerely prayed that prayer, you are now a Christian. The next thing you should do is to find a local Bible-believing, church to help you grow in your faith and to learn more about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The prayer you prayed above is the start and now you should seek to learn more and grow stronger in your faith.

    Avoid so-called “churches” that try to “sugar-coat” what they tell their members. If the church you find does not talk about Sin and Hell or only talks in non-specific terms about Jesus, find a Bible-Believing church instead.

    • Alex Frazier

      Dave, this is very zealous and enthusiastic of you, but salvation is not a matter of a simple prayer. Jesus commissioned us to go out and make DISCIPLES of all men, not converts. Getting someone to say a prayer and then telling them to go find a church is counterproductive.

      If you’re going to do it, do it right.

      • Joe H.

        Alex,
        remember these words. “not by acts but by faith alone”!!

  • http://none Nancy

    What a WITCH!!! She makes me very ashamed my name is Nancy.

  • Randy Brasch

    I was looking for some rational, reasoned discussion. Apparently this is not the place.

    • bp

      Randy; Welcome; yes, actually it is one of the best.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Ben did you miss this?
    FOX believed reporting that the McRib was back was more important; what do you think?
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/richard-muller-koch-brothers-funded-scientist-declares-global-warming-real-article-1.969870

  • Warrior Princess

    Think! Think! Think! This is directed to the person who commented that the O Admin has deported more illegals than other presidents. Okay! He may have deported more, but saying this is just a facade for the fact that he has blocked ICE in every way possible from stopping illegals from coming across the borders. He may have deported a record number, but he has allowed more for coming across the border than any other president. The deported ones probably came right back over. 5 of the 9/11 terrorists had overstayed their visas. O Admin has done nothing to correct this. On the contrary his auntie was denied citizenship before O was prez and after O is prez, she gets citizenship because she lied and said she was in danger in Kenya. This angered Kenya because it made them look bad and they now claim auntie lied to get citizenship. If you want support immigration reform, begin by working to stop the stupid sex for citizenship and welfare policy which makes us the laughing stock of our planet. Then work to reverse just about everyting Ted Kennedy has done to cause our country’s down fall. Read: Ted Kennedy’s Immigration Legacy — and why did he do it?
    http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/september-2-2009/ted-kennedys-immigration-legacy-and-why-did-he-do-it.html?jid=246269&lid=9&rid=2278&tid=691401 EVERYONE needs to read this article so they can understand why we have this damage by immigrants which is turning us into a third world country. Also, it is important to observe that Homeland Security IS THE BIGGEST JOKE there is because it does nothing I know of to stop those overstaying their visas. Hello? Do you know why we have so many Muslims in our country. Do you actually think they are legal and citizens? And lastly, note O does everything he can do to promote the invasion and support amnesty to illegal immigrants…. and he needs to be imprisoned for his supporting the invasion.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Immigration has been screwed up since the Vikings discovered North America sorry it was actually the Chinese over the land bridge.
      There are more pressing issues at the present time.
      Homeland Security most be doing some thing correct no attacks since 9/11;could it be the amount of Predator Strikes.
      Go USAF/CIA

      • Dennis48e

        Wasn’t the Chineese ti was the Mongals.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Does anyone know were one can obtain a Guy Fawkes mask?

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Ben what about the Koch study ?

    • MNIce

      I’m not Ben, but I’ll give you an answer. This story is actually irrelevant to the global warming question, other than to emphasize that the subject is complex and difficult; it is not the simple “add CO2 and cook the planet” line the mainstream news media feeds us. There is a considerable number of scientists who have gone in the other direction, but this is not commonly reported.

      Consider the limitations of our knowledge of climate science. We know climate is cyclical. We know that weather has cycles of various lengths. We have a good handle on the behavior of the short-term el Nino/la Nina cycle, and we can identify some effects from the 13-year solar sunspot cycle. We know from historical records there is a 70-year and a 500-year cycle, but we have no idea what drives them. Many of the detailed records used to claim global warming go back less than 70 years and do not cover the hot decade of the 1930s. We also know from historical records that mankind has been producing pollution and CO2 from combustion for centuries, but have not been able to quantify any effects upon the climate as a result. We know that CO2 is a minor constituent of the atmosphere, and it is not the largest contributor to the greenhouse effect.

      One major limitation of the global warming hypotheses (there are many) is that we don’t know how reliable the non-historical climate records are. There are many assumptions made in dating geological formations through indirect methods such as relative isotope concentrations, and interpretation of past weather values reported from geological data is likewise generally indirect. Those assumptions are open to question, especially when the methods have been frequently demonstrated to lead to erroneous and contradictory results.

      Anyone who claims global warming is “settled science” is a charlatan or is full of misconceptions. There is room for honestly held opinion about what one thinks may happen, but given how little we actually know of the subject, and how much of it is based on simplified computer models subject to mathematical chaos (i. e., a small change in input assumptions leads to huge, difficult to predict changes in output) rather than actual records, it seems foolish to be dogmatic about global warming.

      It makes sense to emphasize energy conservation as a wise use of resources. But establishing dictatorial limits on individual use of natural energy resources through taxation or other means, for any reason other than a clear and present national emergency, seems to be nothing but an exercise in, well, dictatorship. Global warming does not meet the “clear and present” standard; recent weather seems to be nothing more than the confluence of peaks in several short-term and long-term weather cycles.

      If you want to get warm fuzzies by changing your lifestyle in response to the “save-the-planet” hype, you are free to do so, but don’t impose it on other people, nor look down on them because they do not accept the global warming hypothesis. This world is not all there is; it will one day end in a sudden severe warming event, and then we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. (II Peter 3:10-12)

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Wrong Again

        • meteorlady

          There is nothing wrong with his answer. Read whats on the link I provided above. It’s worth your time.

          Also, why is Al Gore invested heavily in carbon credit exchanges in Europe and raking in big money? Why did he start the Chicago Climate Exchange? In order to make about $8 BILLION PER YEAR off that little venture. Unfortunately for Gore and the rest, the EPA was reigned in and it didn’t happen. It’s said that the Clintons, and Mitt Romney are also invested and there might be a investment by Obamas’ trust. Then add Shore Bank (not too big to fail but bailout none the less) and Goldman-Sachs running the trading floor and it’s a slam dunk for these elites if carbon trading happens in this country. Meanwhile if it does, we will be bankrupt paying for manufactured items, more business will move out of the US, and energy costs will skyrocket.

      • Joe H.

        SGT,
        What is given off when you heat salt water? CO2!!! Anytime we go through a cycle of warming, there is CO2 released from all the oceans and seas!!

      • meteorlady

        This is worth reading – I quoted a big about believing because you feel it fits your beliefs system..

        http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/11/1/scientific-heresy.html

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Really happy there is a NPR because you would not be able to find stories like this anywhere else.5.8% of there money comes from the government both state and federal.Bet this site will not tell you who fund it

    http://www.npr.org/2011/11/03/141954997/a-marines-death-and-the-family-he-left-behind

    • independant thinker

      You are boasting about learning this from an NPR article dated 11/3/2011? This item has been occasionaly mentioned on this forum for at least 6 months and quite possibly longer.

  • Buck

    Do you know the defference between a right wing and a left wing extremest ? The right wing extremist LOVES America .

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Wrong all Americans love America some just are open to all views were others wear blinders. Just started reading Retirement Heist

      • Joe H.

        SMsgt,
        you of most people should know your blanket statement is FALSE!! There are MANY Americans that do NOT love this country. Hanoi Jane for one and the muslim they just executed for another. The shoe bomber was American as was timothy Mcveigh. I could go on but I would think you would agree.

        • meteorlady

          George Soros and all the members of his various organizations…..hate America and advocate slavery of the masses through government social experimentation.

        • eddie47d

          The shoe bomber (Reid) was a British citizen Joe. Yes Joe you know very well why I brought that up!

          • Joe H.

            Gee eddie,
            what can I say? you caught me. I’m a government agent sent to spread false comments about Brittish citizens. In case you can’t tell, my sarcasm ends HERE!

  • Helen2

    Alex Frasier: Our God, Jehovah, is not the same god as the Muslims. Allah was the name of the moon god of Saudi Arabia at the time that Mohammad put together the Koran. He chose that name for the god of the Muslims. He is NOT the same as Jehovah and Jesus! He was not even a god, he was an idol!! Obviously you have drank the kool aid if you believe the political correct argument that they are all the same. The Muslims do not believe that Jesus is god and they don’t even like Jehovah. Go to Walid Shoebat’s website and see what he has to say about it. Walid is a former muslim and terrorist that found the God of the Bible, Jehovah. He will tell you they are not the same. And yes, I will believe him over you.

  • Joe H.

    Helen2
    Very good post! Well thought out AND true!!

  • kenneth geiger

    Why are there always Freemasons in very christian areas of the country? Freemasons believe that whatever you call God, we are still recognizing the same God. For whatever you call the Creator, it dosen’t matter. He’s still the Creator. That’s why the Freemasons have Baphomet as a diety – just in case he is GAOTU.

    Soall of you so-called “christians” are actually what Christ called the Sadducee s and the Pharacess – or in the words of Christ “Vipers, Hippocrites”

    Read Romans 13. And pay your taxes!

  • kenneth g

    Romans 13
    Submission to Governing Authorities
    1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

    • William

      Yep that’s what the played with King James Bible says but that is not what is said in the original unmolested language of that scripture verse. the KJ is a “translation” of the original and not the “original” therefore not all that inspired.
      The word “inspire” in the Hebrew means-from Gods mouth/breath and thus a lot of the book is the results when not obeying God and not necessarily “inspired in the same specific sense.

  • AJ

    Nanny Nancy above all is a disgrace to grand motherhood.

  • Alex Frazier

    I thought it was worth sharing for the sake of all you “Ron Paul is not electable” monkeys out there … Ron Paul smashed the competition in the Illinois Pre-Presidential Straw Poll.

    Paul 52%
    Cain 18%
    Romney 14%
    Gingrich 9%
    Perry 2.5%
    Huntsman 1.5%
    Santorum 1.2%
    Bachmann 1.1%

    So as it stands, Paul won California by a landslide, took second place in Iowa, losing to Bachman by only one percent, and just beat the snot out of everyone in Illinois.

    The Illinois poll was state wide. I think is very relevant, because it shows what the support for Paul really is. The Ron Paul fever is viral. His supporters are a huge sleeper cell of voters, and we’re going to explode at the primaries.

    Forget Cain and his tax hike. Forget Bachman who betrays the people with unconstitutional legislation. Forget Perry who lies, who forces little kids to get shots, and who sends illegals to college on the public dime. Forget Romney who supports whatever the flavor of the week politics happen to be in vogue, who sponsored forced health care, and who also betrayed the public trust with unconstitutional legislation in violation of our second amendment.

    Get on board with the one who’s actually going to win. The media doesn’t pick our winners. We do. And Paul is going to shock everyone.

    • meteorlady

      This is even as the press gives him little or no publicity. I’m happy, I think it’s his time.

      This link is 16 Reason not to Elect Romney. I find the fact that Soros has paid in truly scary and I think Mitt is a socialist in disguise.

      http://epautos.com/2011/10/31/16-reasons-to-fear-and-loathe-mitt-romney/

    • Joe H.

      Alex,
      Lets not forget he also won in Ohio!!! Proud of it? I damn sure am!!!

  • Helen2

    Kenneth, are you extrapolating that all Christians are Free Masons? This is still America and people are allowed to be whatever religion they want to be. What I’m complaining about is that Christians are being hit hard with a lack of freedom the Muslims, Free Masons, Buddhists and everyone else has. We aren’t allowed to pray in public, or say Merry Christmas and like your response, everything is our fault. Well, it isn’t. I have read Romans 13 and it does not say I can’t campaign against someone I feel would be a mistake to put in office. All I have to do is pray for them once they are elected. It doesn’t say I have to like their ungodliness. And I do pay my taxes. Probably more than you do since I’m still paying for a business that failed right after Obummer came into office. And I am not like the pharisees or Sadducees either and it is rude to call people names! And in my own personal opinion, I would like to see what the original text of Romans 13 said. King James was not beyond misinterpreting the scriptures to ensure he had no problems with his subjects. According to what you said, our founding fathers were sinning when they came to America and started a new country.

    • Alex Frazier

      Technically, Helen, our government, according to the preamble, is “we the people.” Government is an illusion. The law is the collective force of the people. The elected officials exist to simplify the arguments of 300 million people. But “we the people” are the government, so our biblical duty is to ourselves. Not only CAN we vote to install elected officials who will properly represent our interests, but it is our duty. Because as representatives of the people, it is technically we who have failed, not them. The government is us.

      Of course, it rarely seems to run that way. But that is what was intended by the founders.

    • Joe H.

      Kenneth,
      My father was a mason AND a DEACON of the first baptist church of Adrian Michigan. I most definately call myself a Christian and have NEVER belonged to the masons. Gee, guess that blows that theory all to hell and back, doesn’t it??

  • chuckb

    paul is not going to win anything, his stand on drugs nullifies his chance and his ideas on foreign affairs is warped. take his drug stand out of the equation and the pot generation will drop him immediately.

    the messiah will defeat any of the current nominees, especially romney.
    unless someone comes up with a candidate that all the people will accept our chances are slim and none. the bolsheviks are signing up illegals as fast they cross the border, check the facts, we loose. this is the poorest field of candidate ever fielded. gingrich is the only one capable and his baggage will probably kill him.
    so start studying the quar’an.

  • bob wire

    Not really caring very much for Ben Crystal’s style or his taking of great liberties with facts in his editorials, it pains me to watch him serve it up and I rarely do. But after reading the thread through I found it necessary in order to ever make sense of the many posting, hoping to offer some sanity to the madness.
    ~~~~

    The OWS protest has made “NO” claim to “bags” of any sort. It’s only elements of the Tea Party that speak of Bags. Baggers/Tea/Flea ~ Why “Bag or Bags” is their word of choice, only they might know? Considering the original Tea Party “actors” didn’t have the courage to show their faces,choosing rather to disguised themselves as native Indian in some feeble attempt to deffer guilt ~ Tea party or Tea baggers is a poor choice of “labels” to name any “movement” from the start. Who wants to be associated cowardly descent?

    Then there was their call of” Taxation without Representation”, that too was somewhat of a false claim ~ as the real problem the colonies had with the King,~ was that he wanted his payment in gold. He didn’t wish to accept their paper. ~Kings can do that,~ and this one did.

    But rather then address hard issues head on and saying what they meant and meaning what they said. They had a Tea Party! a frivolous gesture of defiance and descent using native American Indian as butt boys.

    Why anyone would think that ‘borrowing’ from a flawed historical event might serve them well needs to soak their head.

    Think hard ! come up with something that’s genuine and original that address the hard issues of the day. Get rid of the Tea! Get rid of the Party, get rid of the bag. ~ This is no party, but serious business.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Nancy Peloci is a very active grandmother and anyone would be well to look as good as she does at her age. Bearing in mind time is not a friend to anyone or that Betty Davis was once one of the pretties women that walked the earth.

    It would be wise to show some respect, if Nancy wasn’t doing her job well, you might love her and I have to get rid of her.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And Obama was not quoting the bible! Much like our “NEW” motto “In God we trust” So many of You Christians have gotten lost along the way and clueless where the words you draw inspiration even comes from!

    The phrase “God helps those who help themselves” is a popular motto which emphasizes the importance of self-initiative.

    The phrase originated in ancient Greece, occurring as the moral to one of Aesop’s Fables, and later in the great tragedy authors of ancient Greek drama. It has been commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, however the modern English wording appears earlier in Algernon Sidney’s work.

    It is mistaken by many to be a Bible quote, however the phrase does not occur in the Bible.

    Since the GOP is so peachy keen on “Motto’s” these days, that they are willing to waste time on capital hill with them instead of serious matters of the peoples business.

    I’m thinking if the GOP can use motto’s, then it’s only fair the Presidents can too! So Ben Crystal’s indictment that Obama in invoking gods will is benign at best and hypocritical and trite at worst.

    “A stitch in time save nine” ~ is not in the bible either.

  • dvanilla

    It’s sad that all of you believe this article when none of it might be true. One thing that indicates to me it isn’t true is the title. The only Gospel is the 4 books of the new testament according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They were there when Jesus died and resurrected. It is so disrepectful for the author to title his/her article in this way, “The Gospel According to Obama.” This is totally blashemey against the Holy Ghost of God. There is no word of God in this article at all. I just donot understand how you guys even the writter understand the Bible at all. Which tells me you will fall for anything. Stop being so weak-minded believing everything you read and do research yourself. Anyone can doctor up a video and put words in another person mouth to make it look as if it’s them. With technology constantly changing to do this all of you should know this by now.

  • R. k. Shadle

    What does B.O. know about the Gospels. Get this straight people of America All of you pinheads that voted for O. You put a Muslim in the white house. What the hell were you thinking John McCain may not have been a great choice, but this? At least McCain served this country and gave up yrs. of his life in a North Vietnam torture “hotel” That alone should have put him in the Oval Office. Lets get it done in 2012 and send B.O. back to where ever the hell he came from

  • dvanilla

    The title to this article is blasphemy. There’s only four books in the Bible which is the gospel. Those books are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I refuse to entertain the author on his disrepect to God. If he write’s such disrepect how do I know what he has written is true.

  • http://emsaravia@aol.com Elba Saravia

    All I know is the demonic-rats live off taxpayers let it be 300 pounders welfare queens, their living boyfriends, scumbama and the 400+ thieves allready stole 8 trillion dollars. similar to a third world country they get there to steal in the name of the people, it’s like having a gang in the White House. what a disgrace.

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