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The Folly Of Gun Bans By Aesthetics

February 19, 2013 by  

Second Amendment advocates often complain that the biggest problem with gun restrictions — besides the Constitutional questionability — is that the laws are usually written by people who know very little about guns. The fact that the latest legislative effort at an assault weapons ban both bans and exempts different models of the same .223 caliber Ruger Mini-14 based solely on aesthetics lends credence to the complaint.

American legislators who wish to ban certain firearms believe that one of the rifles in the photo below is far more deadly than the others. Can you guess which one?

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The assault weapons bill introduced last month by Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) would ban 157 specific firearms the Senator believes were made for military and law enforcement use and exempt others made for hunting purposes. The bill also would eliminate magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. The banned weapons were placed on the list because they accept detachable magazines and also have one other characteristic, such as a pistol or forward grip, that make them more “military.”

The Associated Press reported: “Kristen Rand, the legislative director at the Washington-based Violence Policy Center, said the Ruger Mini-14 model that would be banned under Feinstein’s legislation is easier to hold while firing because it has a pistol grip, and it’s easier to hide because it has a collapsible stock. That’s what makes it more dangerous that the Ruger Mini-14 with the fixed stock which would be exempted under the Feinstein bill, she said.”

According to the Ruger website, the collapsible stock makes the rifle 2.75 inches shorter.

By Feinstein’s logic, you should assess the guy on the right as a much bigger threat than the guy on the left in the pictures below.

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Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • CZ52

    “By Feinstein’s logic…”

    I believe you mean her total lack of logic.

    • JeffH

      Feinstein, like so many in power who seek to control the “commoners” freely uses the term “common sense” when there is no real rationality to her pet peeves. It is progressive and political(lawyers)doublespeak which means exctly the opposite of what should be real common sense.

      • cawmun cents

        She is speaking to moderates,for moderates,under the guise of moderation,when in fact it is progressives she is caterwalling to,and their are millions of them out there.
        I live…(God help me for admitting it),in Caliph-own-ya,and there are pllenty….thats right,plenty of folks that share her belief system here.
        What she wants to do,is what all California politicos want to do,which is to call the shots for the rest of the nation,by brainwashing others to see things their way bit by bit.
        Google (Mary Nichols) director of CARB,(California Air Resource Board) and see what kind of shennanigans they have planned for the rest of the nation,via their indoctrination of the country’s progressives in the environmental arena.This they plan to perpetuate regardless of socio-economic conditions,or final price paid by populace at large,and dont mind saying that to your face,being uncaring of your opinion of the deal.
        Then understand that this kind of thinking is pervasive in areas where a multitude of progressives gather and live together.
        Now fathom that every large citiy in this nation is populated by such individuals,and you have a clear representation of the conditions at hand.
        Envision Detroit…then look at San Fransisco,they want to look like San Fransisco,but have the politics which doomed Detroit.
        Kind of Potempkinesque dont you think?
        To have everything looking great to the passing observer,but in reality having poverty and harsh conditions for all but the elites.And in their great progressive cities they will live while those in the rural areas will be “kulaks” working the comissars farms.
        I know that it doesnt sound plausible,but hasnt this same thing happened before?
        HMMMMM.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little…..
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • JeffH

        CC, I also live in California…Fresno now and 58 years near SF in the east bay. After the 2010 mid-terms I’d had it with the ignorance and stupidity of the voting public…My days in this state are limited…soon it will be exit stage left(not to be confused with “stage” liberal/commie or progressive)

  • FreedomFighter

    “They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms. It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality. Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility). The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court). At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation. The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.”

    Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?
    http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1337-gun-rights-are-there-any-peaceful-solutions-left

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Jeff

    Dianne Feinstein has been beating this same horse for almost twenty years and will probably push it as long as the subjects of California inflict her agenda on the rest of the country.

    I debated her in 1994 about her contentions about so called assault rifles and pointed out that the AK-47 and UZI available to the public were functionally different than their military counterparts and that the 7.62×39 was a intermediate cartridge with power much less than many common hunting rounds, just like the 5.56x45mm (.223).

    Ms Feinstein, confronted by a person who could not be out maneuvered, instead ended the interchange by stating we would have to agree to disagree. Now, as then, differing people can have differing opinions. Ms Feinstein insists that she also is permitted her own facts.

    The ban, as always, attempts to solve a problem by imposing restrictions on the most law abiding, who are least likely to commit crimes to begin with. No investigation will disprove, to the faithful who worship at the altar of statist restrictions, that the cause and possible remedy resides elsewhere. The fact that the overwhelming majority of mass shooters have the common traits of being a young male adult between 16 and 25 years old, taking mood altering medications and, strangely, having a left wing political alignment is lost on those who argue that possession of ugly guns makes people dangerous.

    • Vicki

      Jeff writes:
      “The ban, as always, attempts to solve a problem by imposing restrictions on the most law abiding, who are least likely to commit crimes to begin with.”

      And the law abiding have a statistic.

      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      Tell Congress to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the acts of a few.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

  • Waldo

    Is it not amazing that two of the loudest mouth’s in our national government are two women from the bankrupt state of California? Feinstein and Pelousy both are clueless and unfortunately they show the overall mentality of the voters who elect them. No wonder the smarter voters are moving to other states and soon all that will be left are the idiots and those who cannot afford to move. But they will still have Hollywood’s elitist to speak for them like Alec Baldwin.

    • Gun Dealer

      Did you see feinsteins face and hear dumb comment about reducing their wages according to her we are unaware of how hard they work and to reduce their pay disrespects the position of her office

  • Scott in SC

    Gun control has little to do with guns and everything to do with control. Any politician or other person of power (say police) who wants to disarm the civilian population while retaining their right to posess firearms should be seen as a threat.

    • eddie47d

      It has everything to do with guns so enough of this smoke and mirrors. Police and civilians should have less fire power. I remember when police were out gunned by the perps so its civilian abusers who got the police all riled up in there demands for higher capacity weapons. What a circular firing squad we have created and the hollowing pro gun folks demand more in their fear of losing their power. Your like a bunch of drug addicts who have to have that one last fix to give you the ultimate high.

      • ibcamn

        OMG eddie,just like a liberal butt kisser progressive,blame it on some one you don’t like,it’s never your fault!geeze eddie,come on,come up with something new!!

      • JeffH

        Dan Bongino, a former Secret Service agent, on gun control:
        It’s not Gun Control Is People Control

        http://www.therightscoop.com/awesome-dan-bongino-theres-no-such-thing-as-gun-control-just-people-control/

      • Adolf Schmidt

        Are you trying to say if we reduce the firepower of police and civilians things would be better? This is the same mistake our leaders are making! That still leaves the firepower in the hands of the criminals!

      • Alan

        Once again Eddie, you are entitled to your opinion but you should really cease in trying to persuade others to adopt it. Logic dictates otherwise.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Alan Logic dictates that they will never be logical!

        • John Mitchell

          Eddie,
          Liberals don’t argue with logic, they argue with emotions. Recent research with high resolution magnetic imaging brain scans confirms this. Liberals are primarily left brain and conservatives are primarily right brain. (left brain is more emotional and social while right brain is more logical and pragmatic) Women tend to be more left brain and men tend to be more right brain. Our former governor of Kahlifornia might suggest that girly men also tend to be more left brain in their thinking.

          Liberals prefer to evoke emotions to motivate people to “do something”, such as pass legislation, in response to any problem. Unfortunately that something they do usually makes little sense and produces bigger problems than it solves.

          Liberals don’t want to be bothered with facts or use logic. They just want to “feel”. They usually want to feel superior. We conservatives are sometimes amused by your emotional outbursts but we don’t like picking up the legislative pieces of your temper tantrums.

          It’s okay for you if you don’t want to use logic. Just sit back and feel. But leave the logic and decision making to the thinkers not the feelers.

          “Life is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel” – Horatio

      • Chief Boring

        Eddie, if you don’t like guns, don’t buy one, and stay away from them as much as you can…And leave the rest of us the hell alone!!!

      • Mark

        The greatest tyrannies are always perpetuated in the name of the noblest causes. – Thomas Paine To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. – George Madison Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. – Thomas Jefferson These guys knew what they were talking about. The Patriot Act, The NDAA, Homeland Security buying more ammo than the military, gun control. Perhaps I’m being paranoid but I see a pattern emerging. The seeds of tyranny are being planted, right under our noses. The main stream media gives us stories to distract us from the real news. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. – Thomas Jefferson In my many years I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress. – John Adams That says it all. These people who can’t even make a budget, let alone a balanced one are going to tell us how to govern our lives?

      • eddie47d

        Those with the guns aren’t going to govern our lives either. Not all weapons are welcome in a civilized society.

      • Alan

        But we are being logical Eddie. And logic dictates that outlawing firearms because they “look scary” or can hold a large amount of ammunition will never prevent the tragedies of mass murder. Sick minds will always find a way.

  • John Mitchell

    Preventing violence is not the goal of removing guns. Our administration appears to want more violence since all their actions promotes violence rather than reduce it.

    75% of all violent crime is committed by less than 5% of people between the ages of 16 and 24. Most of this violence is carried out by the children of single mothers. (divorced or unwed)

    Here are some facts to consider.
    1. 80% of all prisoners in a federal penitentiary are the children of unwed mothers.
    2. Children of single mothers are 20 times more likely to end up in prison than children raised by two parents.
    3. 70% of all children raised by a single mom spend time in a federal penitentiary
    4. Nearly 40% of all children born in the US today are born to an unwed mother. When divorce is thrown in an even higher percentage are being raised by single mothers.
    5. Over 75% of black children are born to unwed mothers.
    6. 53% of hispanic children are born to unwed mothers.
    7. Blacks are 26.5 times more likely to be arrested for committing a violent crime than whites. Hispanics are 5 times more likely to arrested for committing a violent crime than whites. But when you look at whether these young adults are children of single mothers or two parents, there is virtually no difference in race. The strongest indicator of whether someone will end up in prison for committing a violent crime is whether he has two parents or one.
    8. Our government encourage young girls to get pregnant out of wedlock by offering financial incentives. It punishes them for getting married by taking those incentives away. Look at welfare in Pennsylvania as an example. A single mother of four has an after tax income of $58,000 a year if she earns only $29,000 a year. If she makes $30,000 a year her after tax income is reduced by $14,000. She won’t see an aftertax income of $58,000 a year again until she makes $69,000 a year. So the goal is to get her pregnant and on welfare, and then keep her there.
    9. Young boys need discipline growing up. But we have created the spank free zones. It is illegal to discipline your children with anything other than a time out. But when a young boy reaches the age of 15 or 16, and is much stronger than his mother, he begins to test her authority. He “needs” to impress the friends in his hood.
    10. In todays culture a mans social prestige is measured by how much disrespect and contempt he shows for his fellow man. So our young boys posture around with their pants sagging below their butt as they try to intimidate everyone they encounter.
    11. Our public school systems pump up their self esteems and egos artificially and leave them ill prepared to deal with the real world when they leave school. In the real world we do keep score in football games. It is possible to get a failing grade for poor performance. People do say offensive things.
    12. Much of the violent crime by this age group is just a temper tantrum they never learned to control in their discipline free childhood.

    Read the book, “Lord of the Flys” so see what happens to decent young boys who are raised without discipline.

    If we really wanted an end to “gun violence” we would stop cultivating a society of illegitimate un-disciplined children.

    • John Mitchell

      On a lighter note: There have never been any school massacres carried out with pink guns. Perhaps we could allow fully automatic assault rifles with grenade launchers if they were pink. Nothing really scary about pink now is there?

      • eddie47d

        That was in the news last week where a child thought a Pink Gun was a toy and it went off. No harm done but thanks for the “lighter note”?

        • John Mitchell

          That is a good concern Eddie. It brings up a point about responsible gun ownership. The adult gun owner must secure his guns. He must keep them away from children and criminals. You may want your child to have access to a gun to protect himself, or herself, but they need to be responsibly trained. You also need to ensure they are emotionally stable enough to have access. A lot of mass murders are committed with someone else’s gun.

    • Jeff at Sea

      Excellent, Hohn. Well-expressed and you make a point that should be further investigated. The cry is always, “Oh, a mass murder! Take away the guns!” isn’t it? How come it’s never, “Let’s find out how our culture has gone so wrong as to create monsters like these!”

      • John Mitchell

        Thank you Jeff. I forgot to mention one other factor leading to violence. We have a president promoting class warfare. He is encouraging those who have chosen welfare over work to hate those who have more. This will lead to riots that thousands will be killed in. It is during these riots that we will need the kind of firepower this government thinks is un justifiable.

        Curious that they want to remove our ability to defend ourselves while arming the homeland security with massive amounts of hollow point ammunition that is outlawed by the geneva convention. Also curious that one of the criteria for joining this new elite group of untrained professionals is a willingness to fire on US citizens if asked to.

        I am Siberia right now discussing the similarities between the events leading up to the October revolution and the events we face today. The working class would be wise to arm themselves while they can.

      • Adolf Schmidt

        I think they might be more afraid of losing a eligible voter!

    • ranger09

      John, Really a nice piece, You left out the costs to the working Taxpayers.Have you noticed most of the news onTV covering crime involve Blacks.

      • John Mitchell

        Ranger, Yes I have noticed most crime is committed by blacks. This is largely due to the fact that they have the highest rate of children born to un-wed mothers. They also suffer a high rate of divorce. This is again compounded when parents teach their children to steal and intimidate. Children born out of wedlock often grow up in a life a crime and then teach that life to their children.

        The point I want to make however, is that when you look at weather the perpetrator of a crime was raised with or without a father, there is virtually no difference in race! Whites born to unwed mothers are almost as likely to end up in prison as blacks. What skews the statistics towards more blacks in prison is more black un-wed mothers.

        There is a reason they are called bastards. There is a reason that for thousands of years all cultures have discouraged women from having children out of wedlock. Our government now wants to encourage it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnt.drummjr John T Drumm Jr

    Both Feinstein and Pelosi along with a few others need a lesson in HISTORY! The ultimate goal of this president is to totaly disarm this country. All the armored vehicles that heve been secretely produced and the stockpiling of ammo by the Government is for the civil war that will ensue when they do a house to house search to confiscate arms from the citizens. Schools are in session training the “Brown Shirts” just like Hitler Youth. First coms manditory registration of all firearms…Then confiscation. Wake up America……God save US

    • eddie47d

      The “brown shirts” are those who leave the loopholes wide open and allow the criminal elements to easily acquire weapons. Its almost impossible for that criminal element NOT to find the weapon of choice. “totally disarm this country” that is no more than far right fear mongering.

      • ibcamn

        eddie,you do realize Obama left a large hole in the border(on purpose)which has already got gun runners laying around with hard on’s waiting to get illegal weapons to the US(not to mention drugs and people)and make more money!!and when a lot of weapons become illegal,Americans will want them more so the demand will go up and all kinds of new weapons will flood the black market!not to mention weapons the US usually doesn’t have!!i have had my eye on a soviet rifle,i bet i can come across one within a year if all this BS law happens to be!!thanks Obama!!

      • cawmun cents

        eddie47d will never comprehend that the elites that run the drug trade are the same ones drafting laws to prevent said drug trade,and controlling all monies inherently involved with drug and black market trading,as well as the enforcement against said drug trade.
        He still believes there are two different sides opposing each other,and cannot see the reasoning for being in control of both entities respectively.
        He cannot know that the reason the borders are kept open is to have a continual flow of black market trading,nor that taxing the public for monies to fight said trading,is all part of the same system.
        He still believes that these entities function separately and independent of each other,and cannot see that to have both sides of a coin land in your favor is full spectrum domination at its finest application.
        To his willful ignorance I toast!
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • eddie47d

        Apparently you missed the last election where there was definitely TWO sides. When one said black the other would say white just to stir the pot. I’ll toast to your ignorance in not knowing that C.C.! Quite often they are one in the same but if one supports guns the other side oppose it. If one side wants to stop the drug trade the other side will automatically stop those efforts. Works the same on most issues. You may think there is a third side yet sometimes those parties (ideas) are far worse and sometimes more dysfunctional.

      • Gun Dealer

        Tell that Bull to 6 million Jews or are one of the people who are in denial the Holocaust ever happened go to Europe and visit the death camps

  • http://personallibertydigest Krizma99

    Call it what it IS! A DEFENSE WEAPON BAN! These politicians suffer from mind-numbing political correctness! Used to be known as communism, nazism, fascism, etc.!!!
    For your own survival, learn from history so we Do Not Repeat it!!!!

    • eddie47d

      How many mass murders do we have to have before you learn from that history and stop repeating it? (20 a year for the last 20 years). Unless you can see the problem you will always reject the solution. Most weapons will not be banned even if it does happen and there are plenty of folks who think it doesn’t go far enough. All sides will be considered and hopefully a rational conclusion will be found. .

      • ibcamn

        Holy crap eddie!20 mass murders a year for the last 20 years in the US?the mainstream media is definetily dropping the ball on that one,i missed it!!wow,thanks for that stat eddie!

      • John Mitchell

        Banning guns won’t stop mass murders. How many first graders could a frustrated homicidal maniac kill with a machete in the 20 minutes he used to kill them with a gun? When every second counts the closest policeman is only minutes away. Almost every mass murderer kills himself the instant he is confronted by police or armed citizens. They usually kill themselves when they hear police sirens.

        We need to make decisions based on facts and logic. Not emotion.

      • JeffH

        Once again seeking to capitalize off tragedy by opting for emotional, rather than reasoned arguments, the O’Man reiterated his support for increased background checks and bans on common semi-automatic firearms and their magazines, which he referred to as “weapons of war and massive ammunition magazines.”

        Obama Justice Department Reveals Truth About State of the Union Claims

        As usual, Obama’s remarks were short on evidence that his gun control proposals would work. Of course, that evidence is sorely lacking–and who would know that better than the experts at his own Justice Department?

        In a white paper dated January 4 and obtained by NRA-ILA, the deputy director of the National Institute for Justice–DOJ’s research and evaluation agency–said that the proposals before Congress are unlikely to have an effect unless they are made even more draconian.

        For instance, the document makes clear that the effectiveness of “universal” background checks “depends on … requiring gun registration.”

        On the topic of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, NIJ writes, “In order to have an impact, large capacity magazine regulation needs to sharply curtail availability to include restrictions on importation, manufacture, sale, and possession.”

        As for popular semi-automatic firearms, the NIJ notes, “Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to U.S. gun homicide and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapons ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence. If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective.”

        NRA Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre commented on what was notably absent in the State of the Union address: ”It was only a few weeks ago when they were marketing their anti-gun agenda as a way of protecting school children from harm… That charade ended at the State of the Union, when the president himself exposed their fraudulent intentions. It’s not about keeping kids safe at school. That wasn’t even mentioned in the president’s speech.”

        http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/obama-justice-department-reveals-truth-about-state-of-the-union-claims/#ixzz2LMlEHQ7d

      • Adolf Schmidt

        Ed! Whenever decisions are made based on a lack of knowledge, they are bound to fail. All the legislation that is being purposed, is being made by people with very little, if any, knowledge of the subject they are trying to control! The president has many time demonstrated his ignorance of present gun laws and the capabilities of the guns he is trying to ban! He is also spreading his ignorance to people that would rather take his word for it , than to educate themselves on the topic! Mr. President often refers to the ” assault weapons” at your average gun store, as the same weapons our soldiers carry! They are different in rate of fire. It makes a person wonder how much knowledge does our law makers have concerning other matters.

      • JeffH

        “Assault weapon” is an invented term. In the firearm lexicon, there is no such thing as an “assault weapon.” The closest relative is the “assault rifle,” which is a machine gun or “select fire” rifle that fires rifle cartridges. Machime gun’s are Class III restricted weapons and It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department.

        Myth: Assault weapons are a serious problem in the U.S.

        Fact: In 1994, before the Federal “assault weapons ban,” you were eleven (11) times more likely to be beaten to death than to be killed by an “assault weapon.”

        Fact: In the first year since the ban was lifted, murders declined 3.6%, and violent crime 1.7%.

        Fact: Nationally, “assault weapons” were used in 1.4% of crimes involving firearms and 0.25% of all violent crime before the enactment of any national or state “assault weapons” ban. In many major urban areas (San Antonio, Mobile, Nashville, etc.) and some entire states (Maryland, New Jersey, etc.) the rate is less than 0.1%.

        Fact: Even weapons misclassified as “assault weapons” (common in the former Federal and California “assault weapons” confiscations) are used in less than 1% of all homicides.

        Fact: Police reports show that “assault weapons” are a non-problem:

        For California:
        ■ Los Angeles: In 1998, of 538 documented gun incidents, only one (0.2%) involved an “assault weapon.”

        ■ San Francisco: In 1998, only 2.2% of confiscated weapons were “assault weapons.”

        ■ San Diego: Between 1988 and 1990, only 0.3% of confiscated weapons were “assault weapons.”

        ■ “I surveyed the firearms used in violent crimes…assault-type firearms were the least of our worries.”7
        For the rest of the nation:
        ■ Between 1980 and 1994, only 2% of confiscated guns were “assault weapons.”

        ■ Just under 2% of criminals that commit violent crimes used “assault weapons.”

        Fact: Only 1.4% of recovered crime weapons are models covered under the 1994 “assault weapons” ban.

        Fact: In Virginia, no surveyed inmates had carried an “assault weapon” during the commission of their last crime, despite 20% admitting that they had previously owned such weapons.

        Fact: Most “assault weapons” have no more firepower or killing capacity than the average hunting rifle and “play a small role in overall violent crime.”

        Fact: Even the government agrees. “… the weapons banned by this legislation [1994 Federal Assault Weapons ban - since repealed] were used only rarely in gun crimes”

      • CZ52

        JeffH quit posting so many facts. You know more than a couple give little eddie a massive headache and he gets even grumpier than usual.

      • Average Joe

        eddie,

        “Unless you can see the problem you will always reject the solution.”

        We have seen the problem and it you…and sheep like you.

        AJ

      • Howard C

        Once again there goes eddieBS with his nonsense… because guns in the hands of nuts will just vanish into thin air if they are banned. The criminals will just turn their guns in because now it is illegal to own them “Well I guess I can’t go commit this crime with this AR15 I have because it’s illegal for me to have it”.SMH. Silly eddieBS!!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “How many mass murders do we have to have before you learn from that history and stop repeating it? (20 a year for the last 20 years). ”

        How many of the ~300 MILLION Americans who DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE (let alone commit mass murder.) are you planning on PUNISHING for the acts of a few (~20 you said?)

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        Interesting side note. Tthose mass murders have one thing in common. GUN FREE ZONES. When were you planning on learning from THAT history and stop repeating it?

      • eddie47d

        There you go again Vicki with that myth of the gun free zones. We already had that discussion more than once and I know you attend all the meetings (comments).

      • eddie47d

        CZ52; I don’t mind Jeff H’s facts or anyone elses. I’ve been fairly consistent about that. I don’t always appreciate is arrogant and snippy remarks and he knows what I’m talking about. I actually like when he says that “assault” weapons aren’t the problem and he is partially right. The thing is if they aren’t the problem folks will finally figure it out that “lesser” weapons are the culprits such as handguns. What’s he going to do when the numbers go up in the damage they do? That could spell real trouble for their proliferation and easy access also. He’s helping to clarify the real nuisance out there. That is if you want to go down that path.

      • Mark

        How about examining the FDA approved drugs most of these shooters are on? They are handed out like candy to anyone going into the doctor and saying they are feeling down or can’t sleep, etc. Up to 75% of these prescriptions are done by doctors other than psychiatrists.. I think the epidemic prescribing of these drugs have more to do with these mass shootings. The weapons in question account for less than 1% of the gun crime, but this is the solution our “leaders” come up with. The main stream media is pushing this governmental agenda. It is important for congress to pass something, so they will pass anything they can get though both the house and the senate, so they can say they did something, and pat each other on the back for a job well done. They will merely create a black market for 30 round magazines if they ban them. The price has doubled in anticipation of the ban. Do you think some psycho going to go into a school with a rifle ( against the law), to shoot and kill innocent people ( against the law), will hesitate to use a thirty round clip because it’s against the Law?

      • JeffH

        eddie says, “I don’t always appreciate (h)is arrogant and snippy remarks and he knows what I’m talking about.”

        Yes I do know that you’re a hypocrit. You don’t like it when theses remarks are pointed at you…but I guess you believe it OK when you make your daily arrogant and snippy remarks…which you have been doing for over 3 years now.

  • WILDFIRE

    In or around May of last year, DHS put in a request for an order of 7000 AR 15′s claiming they are a good PDW (Personal Defense Weapon). Isn’t it amazing how when in the hands of government, they are referred to as personal defense weapon but in the hands of law abiding citizens they are considered “assault weapons” rather than personal defense. Could it be because when you rename it with a scary name it will prompt the uninformed to jump on the band wagon and support their cause, and like wise, when you hear the word personal defense weapon sounds innocent and gives a warm fuzzy to these liberals.

    never mind the facts of what guns are actually dangerous or cause maximum damage. If it looks scary and sounds scary then it should be banned in dumba$$ feinsteins mind and the rest of the liberals fall right in line.

    • Larry K.

      Like I said before, those idiots think AR stands for assualt rifle.

  • ibcamn

    This reminds me of sooo many stories in history!liberals at work!!2 weeks ago i saw a table full of weapons and got to fire them,try them out if you will!.one stuck out in my mind,se3 semi auto 12gauge shotgun!you can load 5 to 7 rounds and fire away(fast)or you can put on a 30 round drum and fire away(fast),so how would that be classified?it has no pistol grip(can be fitted)it has a forward hand grip,i don’t think they looked into it very good!there are other weapons which will have trouble also,just like the mini!

    It will also be a problem when it comes to the police themselves!it’s bad enough with the police not knowing what a Harley does or does not have in what year(using this for example when it came to the police giving out fines and towing away vehicles)so how are most of ignorant police officers to know one of these weapons from the next,or if you bought it that way or when(prove it)you got it,how long in the house and if you have adapters(hopefully legal in some states)in magazines and amount of ammo?so many things these policeman have to learn and rite now!.i think ignorance is going to cause a lot of illegal searches and sesures and many problematic arrest’s and other charges stemming from false charges and simply the ignorance of the police!!they already make things worse upon their arrival,can you imagine now!!

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    Who does not remember history’s lessons from Hilter, Lenien, and Stalin. A were heoros of the pedophile muslims, and these pukes with Marx are who this jug eared puke in the WH admires. When questioned about the ability to use drones to kill American citizens in USA interior. Notice the question was not answered in a yes or no. Also what puke party is passing rules to check out private dwellings for”assualt weapons”, sound like de Fuher rules master plan, register everyone, invade homes, and jail non complaint persons.Better not have any rocks, bats, or

    • http://N/A Ron

      There is no immunity from prosecution for any elected official, Why are they left to got away with not only violating the constitution of the U.S. but advocating laws in direct violation without something being done. They should be run out of office and prosecuted, before being tarred and feathered and sent to some facist country where they belong, and NOT IN THE USA.

    • Vicki

      ridge runner says:
      “Who does not remember history’s lessons from Hilter, Lenien, and Stalin.”

      ~530 Congressmen? :)

  • ibcamn

    So if all these progressive regulations or laws are somehow put in place,they will see the effects almost immediately,then what?would they say they were wrong and drop the stupid way of thinking?kinda like the prohibition thing that worked so well!this is just the fast track to control by Obama and the henchmen!!

    • Mark

      They will take what they can get. Limit magazines, it’s a baby step. They want to create a national registry. They start by banning one group of weapons, then another till they ban them all. Of course if Obummer has his way, we will sign on to the UN small arms treaty ban this spring, turning over sovereignty of our gun rights to the UN. The small arms treaty calls for an international registry of all small arms and would trump the second amendment if it were ratified by the Senate. Obama would certainly sign it.

  • noel

    The right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed. Seems some of our senators need to aquaint themselves with the CONSTITUTION!!!

    • John Mitchell

      Noel, I would be happy if our supreme court would familiarize themselves with the constitution.

  • Gun Dealer

    Freedom Firearms
    I feel the people who vote these idiots into office like feinstein and pelosi and now there trying to take away your rights your getting exactly what you deserve and if you voted for obama please never come to my gun store you don’t have the intelligence to own a firearm. also I use to live in communist california and had to get out of that gun unfriendly state and moved to Idaho where your not considered a criminal if you own a gun for those of you who are ignorant to what types of firearm are legal I am a class 3 dealer of firearms you can own a machinegun or a silencer or a short barreled rifle or shotgun all it takes is you file a form 4 transfer and a 1 time 200.00 dollar tax with the ATF it takes 90 to 120 days to get the approval back as long as you have no felonies or domestic battery and you live in a state were they are legal to own like Idaho you will never hear of a person that legally own firearm like these ever commit a crime and neither will gun owners who purchased their firearm legally.

    • Larry K.

      You got my vote that’s for sure!

  • http://clear.net Xmil-man

    The problem with people like Diane Fienstiene is that she just wants her name to go down in the history books as the ONE person that disarmed America. She is an idiot and has no business even being in office, and probaly has great knee pads ,,just ask Obumma! They both really need to get dose of reality and stop all this BS, but they both want to be the new Hitler’s and be in charge of allof the citizens of these United States. The people of this USA should all get together and tell the UN to go intercourse themselves rectially and stay out of our business. Also Obumma needs to learn he can’t impose his muslim will on us either!!

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