Comments Subscribe to Personal Liberty News Feed Subscribe to Personal Liberty
 

The First Wake-Up Call?

January 4, 2013 by  

The First Wake-Up Call?
PHOTOS.COM

Five years ago, I penned these words in my printed newsletter, The Bob Livingston Letter (subscription required), in a column titled Ignorance of Reality:

The system and its controlled masses are hostile toward reality. They want no discomfort of thought. They are at peace with regimentation although not aware. The system is pabulum for lazy people. The first wake-up call is to come to know that there is a system.

All around, it seems there is an awakening, particularly among those of the masses who call themselves “Republicans.” The fiscal cliff deal may prove to be the first true wake-up call for the masses.

Senate Republicans joined with Democrats and voted overwhelmingly to raise taxes on 77 percent of Americans. House Republicans split on the vote, but enough joined the Democrats to pass the bill which was conceived by Vice President Joe Biden and Republican Senator Mitch McConnell. The bill reportedly “solved” the artificially created fiscal cliff crisis. The political class on both “sides” of the spectrum claim to hate the bill for what is and what is not in it. That is all for show.

President Barack Obama and his minions have for months vowed to raise taxes only on “the rich” who were not paying their “fair share.” He promised that those who aren’t “rich” would not see a dime of tax increases. Yet thanks to the fiscal cliff bill, American workers saw the tax on their paychecks rise from 4.2 percent to 6.2 percent because a payroll tax cut passed in 2011 and 2012 was not renewed.

This means workers earning $20,000 to $30,000 will take home $300 less per year. Workers earning $50,000 to $70,000 will see their paychecks drop by about $1,000 per year. Workers earning about $100,000 per year will lose about $2,000 per year in take-home pay. And those in the $500,000 to $1 million range will pay about $15,000 in additional taxes.

The meme out of the cesspool that is Washington, D.C., is that our benevolent leaders saved us from doom once again by sparing us a tax increase and dreaded “cuts” to government services. But workers will see that their paychecks are smaller and will wonder why.

They may also come to wonder why the legislation contained $76 billion in tax favors for large corporations like General Electric, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and DIAGEO and why Hollywood and green energy companies received special favors. These are favors the White House insisted the bill contain, and Democrat and Republican lawmakers concurred.

This transfer of wealth cannot be hidden and cannot go unnoticed. Even the ever-sleeping, beer-swilling, “Monday Night Football”-“Here Comes Honey Boo Boo”-“American Idol”-watching crowd will notice their paychecks are smaller and begin to inquire as to why.

To conclude the above-mentioned column, I wrote:

People with system blinders on cannot see the axiom that, “things that are equal to the same thing are equal to each other.” If there are two politicians each under different party labels but upon objective analysis they have the same philosophy and the approximate voting record, they are the same in reality. An inconsistent mind knows not the difference in system-taught altruism and the sour odor of fraud upon the people and himself. Emperors upon the thrones of the earth know they created it.

There must be an awakening before there is change. Americans must learn that their taxes do not run a government that can print money to infinity. Taxes — and its sister tax, inflation — are simply a transfer of wealth to fund the fascist system that is American democracy.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

Facebook Conversations

Join the Discussion:
View Comments to “The First Wake-Up Call?”

Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don't stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.

Is there news related to personal liberty happening in your area? Contact us at newstips@personalliberty.com

  • Jana

    Let’s hope so!

  • Harold Olsen

    Livingston, have you turned communist? Masses? That’s how communists refer to the citizens.

    • Mike in MI

      Funny, so does the pope.

      • Doc Sarvis

        So do people who us the English langauage. Assigning “code words” for different ideologies hampers communication.

      • Mike in MI

        The “Pro-choicers” refer to some little people that way, too.

    • Vigilant

      Inscription on the Statue of Liberty: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

      I don’t believe Emma Lazarus was a communist.

      • Thomas the Doubter

        she was worse than a communist could ever be….

        “give me your tired your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free….”
        and i will turn them into my slaves, i will pretend to give them liberty all the while
        puffing them up, teaching them to pretend they are in a better place, as i squeeze
        the last visage of hope from their breast, make them bleed on my battle fields,
        confusing them with dreams of peace, liberty and justice, only to wake them to the reality that their constitution has been soiled by corporate greed and the evil power struggles behind closed doors of an ever more vile government

      • Thomas the Doubter

        ps its actually not the “STATUE OF LIBERTY”, its a masonic representation of the

        egyptian goddess ISIS….. which oddly enough is the name of the
        IMMIGRANT SETTLEMENT and INTEGRATION SERVICES (canada)… a little brazen for the neighbours to the north … if the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services had have taken on that moniker, maybe a few would have awoken sooner…..maybe not…

      • TIME

        Dear V,

        You are correct ~ Columbia nor the phrase on the plaque ~ niether is of Marxists origins.

        Columbia ~ holds the light of “Lucifer” high in the morning sky to ligh the way. Also Known as the morning star.

        It can also be seen as the “Light Bringer” aka ~ to awaken the Soul of all Good people. Many call this the “Apocalypse” ~ or to light the path for the Good Soul to see evil

        There are many other terms most all rooted within the Mystery schools from what there is a “duality” factor within its base meaning.

        It equals both light and dark ~ Ying and Yang ~ Good and Evil combined within the same base framework, Thus to one group it brighs forth Good, yet on the flip side Evil.

        Also as the SoL stands on a “lay line” point number { 20 } thus it can be divided by 2 for two equal parts 10 + 10 = 20 again we come back to the “duality” factor.

        Within the Mystery schools there is this duality factor for Columbia that most over look, as its both ~ “Matriarch as well Patriach” of what brings forth the “SON / SUN.”

        Thus the SoL is a two fold symbol that can have a differant meaning to differant groups of people. Thus I find it a benign Symbol with little to no overt or covert factors, once its understood for its Duality factor.

        To all of you study the ROOTS of all symbols so you can fully understand what they represent, thus to better understand what your being told by all these structures.
        There is a great wealth of information to be garnered by knowning, just the Why factor..

        Peace and Love, Shalom.

      • Vigilant

        “ps its [sic] actually not the “STATUE OF LIBERTY”, its [sic] a masonic representation of the egyptian [sic] goddess ISIS…..”

        Thomas certainly has reason to doubt his own intelligence with such a ridiculous assertion.

        “The statue, a gift to the United States from the people of France, is of a robed female figure representing Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom, who bears a torch and a tabula ansata (a tablet evoking the law) upon which is inscribed the date of the American Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776. A broken chain lies at her feet. The statue is an icon of freedom and of the United States: a welcoming signal to immigrants arriving from abroad.” (Wikipedia)

        Frédéric Bartholdi, the sculptor, always intended it to be an image of Liberty, NOT Isis. You may be entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

      • Thomas the Doubter

        Wasn’t “Libertas” the ancient Roman goddess and somehow related to “sol invictus”
        the roman god of sun worship? And as found in other commentaries wouldn’t it be more appropriate that the statue wear “the liberty cap” not a halo. It seems to me “Columbia”
        had been represented in that fashion (along with the “stars and strips”) consistently since
        1776? And if you do your reading you will find out that pretty much all paganism in Rome was just left overs from Egypt, Persia and Babylonia ( maybe not in that order but close).

        So ok its a symbol of freedom and liberty. My original point was that, what it welcomes
        “the feeble” to, has become just another type of SLAVERY, and that the concern over communism is mute when you consider that the promise of liberty, shielded by the power of the laws of the land, are the very forces creating the enslavement, it kinda makes a mockery of the symbolism… or the symbolism, whether intended good or evil, is now looking pretty evil

        Did you know that the “lowest” individual of the 27th inhabitant planet would not dare
        trade places with the richest highest, most powerful of this the 28th planet?
        ( just saying, maybe its time the people of the US start telling the rest of this world its
        not all its cracked up to be here….either that or time for the whole country to get on side with the idea of “we are not where we should be, time to restructure, everything!”)

      • Kate8

        Vigilant – It seems that there are many myths we’ve been fed about history. That is one of them.

        Our entire system and its symbols are primarily Roman. Remember reading about the Revived Roman Empire?

        We, in America, have been living under a delusion for a long time.

      • Kate8

        TIME – Have you noticed that Disclosure is becoming an avalanche?

        There is just so much here lately. Did you see this one? Perhaps the most important one to date, as far as explaining what’s been long hidden.

        Many will be shocked. All but we “tin-foil hats”, who’ve been uncovering this stuff for a long time, to the scorn of most foks.

        To the scornful: read and learn. And, rather than deciding whether to believe or disbelieve, just suspend judgment and wait to see what pans out.

        I don’t know…only those at the very top tier know for sure. But we sure can get a pretty good idea of what’s up.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/war-on-terror/2013/01/the-third-force-2443144.html?currentSplittedPage=0

      • jopa

        Vigilant:I think Emma Lazuras may have been referring to the huddled masses in some foreign countries.Read it slowly to comprehend what Emma was saying.

      • openeyedAmerican

        We the American people have been buried under the delusional belief we are such the “free nation” for too long, and even more so, the psychotic notion anyone has ever “died for our flag and freedom” Even if this has ever been true in the past, it’s an unsustainable belief going forward. And how oppressive a notion, yet we are the first to point to the “oppression” in third worlds. USA ranks #88 in Global Peace today DUE to sustaining this belief we are so star-spangled “free” due to our self destructive wars. Iran has a Freedom Tower just like USA, it’s called the “Azadi tower”…..Iran, a country which has not aggressively attacked another nation in over a century, yet those of my fellow American’s not yet awake believing in the war profiteering media Iran is such the “threat to U.S. & world peace”. Iran, like those other 3rd worlds we’ve attacked, is rich in oil. Put two and two together. That is what is missing in this otherwise well written article……USA’s self destructive foreign policy, our wars over past decade in true American history fashion started after false flag operation 9/11 of which had a few internal insights of and purposely never stopped to fuel “profitable” wars……trillions of dollars and millions of lives wasted, extolling “virtue” over war, killing, weapons, with direct consequence of increased shootings across USA—-each and every one of those shootings a result of the mental instability of the pro-military mindset, USA’s era or hegemony is over, we can not afford to play global bad “cop” anymore.

    • JDL

      Inscription on the Statue of Liberty:
      Author: Emma Lazarus
      Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
      Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

    • mark

      Yeah, he’s a communist, Harold. Everyone’s a communist. Except you.

      • Flashy

        Mark….don’t forget…today Congress will make it official and certify the Electoral College votes. President Obama won the election garnering 332 electoral votes. A mandate by the American People! We have spoken.

        And no matter how much the extremists yell and scream and rant …. they cannot ignore reality. We voted in support of President Obama and against the lunatics of the extreme Right.

        Time to celebrate !!!! it is official !

      • DaveH

        No Flashman a “mandate” by 65,899,660 people (who voted for Obama) out of an estimated population of 313,847,465 people. So 21% of the people are determining how to spend the other 79% of the peoples’ money.

      • Flashy

        Fudge and try to obfuscate the facts anyway you like Davey boy. He was given a mandate and re-elected. the GOP and the extremists were soundly slapped down.

        you don’t happen to have a Mises link to support your words do you? Looking up dishonest in the dictionary, why there’s your picture ! Amazing…it’s right there with dullard as well !

      • DaveH

        Can you tell me exactly what I fudged or obfuscated, Flashshill?

      • Hedgehog

        Flashy, “We have spoken.”? Is that the royal “we”, the editorial “we”, or do you have a rat in your pocket?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Flashy: Time to celebrate !!!! it is official !

        Celebrate what, exactly? Celebrate the fact that we have a Fascist in the White House and the fact that we are officially a Fascist country, Flashy?

      • JC

        And let’s not forget that the company charged with counting the votes is owned by the Great Obama puppeteer George Soros. Not to mention the electronic voting system which “by design” thoroughly corrupt.

  • Mike in MI

    Bob -
    “Wake up”, call? Di’ja ever play reville in a cemetery?
    There’s only going to be one trumpet call that’s ever going to wake up some people, I think.

    • Warrior

      It will begin with a small group of “Patriots”, yet again. And it will build upon itself, yet again. We are drawing ever closer.

      • Vigilant

        Warrior, I think he’s talking about the angel Gabriel.

      • Warrior

        Point being Vig, that the sheeple will not wake up until a few brave freedom loving people begin take action. That will happen before Gabriel shows up.

      • mark

        Yeah, ever closer to irrelevance.

      • Mike in MI

        mark -
        “Irrelevance” to you and other people who, like you, are so toxic you could kill the culture of a septic tank. Which is directly related to the deathly effect you are having on American culture. Like Jimmy Hoffa, one of your fellow corruption compadres, who when he died was too toxic to bury – so they locked him in cement.
        The next day the sun shone in Detroit – but your Buds have put it out again since. Governor Snyder was considering breaking parts of Detroit off and floating it down the Detroit River.
        But the Democrat mayors of Toledo, Cleveland and Niagara Falls were afraid the float might set a precedent for dealing with the political base they bought, paid for and own.
        Besides, the slaves in Detroit have made it clear they don’t want off the plantation and they don’t want to have anything to do with help that might work to fix the city. So, they ‘re killing their own culture. The principles of Jimmy Hoffa have sprung back to life. But then, … one of the hallmarks of his type of evil is that it is cross-generational – - – therefore, has to have life of its own behind it (just outside of the ability of our senses to register the reality).
        Soon, they’ll make themselves “irrelevance”.

      • TERRY

        you are correct and i will be one of them…

      • Kate8

        Warrior – It actually HAS begun, a long time ago. It’s been ongoing, and is about to be known by all. Up until now it’s been important that these patriots operate secretly, so as not to tip their hand. Those who have sought to expose the truth have met with untimely tragedy, and there are many.

        Already Operation Disclosure has been putting out articles and videos exposing the PTB. Here is a really good one (I posted above, but so you don’t have to find it:

        http://beforeitsnews.com/war-on-terror/2013/01/the-third-force-2443144.html?currentSplittedPage=0

        There has just been a ton of stuff pouring out that most will find really shocking, if you are willing to spend a little time searching alternative sites. BIN is putting out a lot of it, and it’s all sourced.

        According to what I hear, the mechanism for the takedown of the banking cabals is already done. It’s just a matter of getting the word out to the populations. There are 160 countries who are part of this operation. So far, the media (being the propaganda branch of the government) is still putting out mostly psy-ops… but don’t expect them to tell the truth until they’ve been taken over by the good guys.

        Congress has been put on notice that, unless they cease working for the foreign cabals, they will be held accountable for their actions and will be removed. This includes certifying this last fraudulent election. Wait and see what they do next.

        It could be they’ll try to pass a gun ban, in order to initiate war in America, giving them the excuse they need to turn loose UN troops on the citizenry. They may try doing something like knocking out the grid, too, just to neutralize us. But, from what I hear, the majority of the military has stated that they will not turn against Americans, and will not participate in gun confiscation. Some of the younger ones may, but we’ll see.

        Just know that we are not alone…forces are and have been at work to put things right. Have faith, be ready, and watch. It’s coming sooner than anyone thinks.

        The best thing we can do is to become the kind of people we want to have populating the coming system. It is, after all, a reflection of US.

    • TIME

      Dear Mark,

      Perhaps you should refrain from exposing ~ both your Illerate as well Ignorant base nature.

      Even though your natural protocol is based at best on your feckless ~ immature post.
      It may well serve you well to expand your horizons out side that nano sized blind you reside within.

      Peace and Love, Shalom.

    • Lyndia

      I have a feeling that all these people who think Obama is soooo great right now, will not be feeling so good about him when they find that their taxes will be going up as well since the since their tax cuts from the Bush era are all running out which will bring their taxes up right along with the “rich”!!!

      • TIME

        Dear Lyndia,

        It will not just be the “overt tax’s,” it will also be the Covert Tax’s such as tax’s on foods based on the fact that all companies will now also have to figure in these special new tax’s to their suppliers who will be adding that special new tax in to their cost of doing business ~ and lets not forget that special OBoma care tax will get added in to the base cost as well.

        This will also have a direct effect on Gas, Water, Electric, Insurance for your car and home and business, as well cloths, and well ~ everything,

        In truth it will end up that the average American tax’s will be going up about 15 – 20% above the obvious tax raise.
        Plus that equals less Jobs, Less expandable cash, that means more jobs will be lost as a direct result.

        But hey these special Marxist who post here who want the American Middle class ended and reduced to being State owned slaves who will be little more than extra waste materials to be removed. Don’t you just love BIG GOVERNMENT?

        Thats why ~ { Nothing spells stupid quite like the Neo Quasi Liberal or Neo Cons.
        Or as many here like to tell you they are “PROGRESSIVE” yet he fact is that we are going to progress straight back to the stone age with their thinking patterns.

        Now can you see how briliant these Progressive really are?

        Peace and Love, Shalom

  • Jim B

    The United States government plutocracy has created a bureaucracy beyond anything imaginable just a few short years ago. Make no mistake, the government for the people, by the people is now a corrupted, inept criminal organization whose primary function is to usurp the earned income from the citizens of this once great nation. This lawless organization, who we call government, is the worst of the worst, more ruthless than any known mafia or terrorist organization, more corrupt than any Ponzi schemer could have ever devise, and the largest extortionist organization ever to exist, or be imagined on the planet. This is the state we now live in, this from a country that had no equal just a few short years ago, whose liberties and freedoms where the envy of all the world. And now, we rank 17th in the world’s freest nations. In summary, we have 16.5 Trillion dollars in US debt, which has run out, the government, in the first of the fiscal year is operating on pure credit i.e. stolen from worker pensions to pay for the socialist bureaucracy created by themselves, for which no one benefits. We are no longer the land of opportunity, the land of the free, we have allowed that title to be expunged from our history and we will suffer dearly for that grave misstep in our travels. God help us, for it will take a divine intervention to stop the tyranny that has bestowed itself upon us.

    • JC

      That about sums it up.

    • Lyndia

      sadly, you are right….it’s going to be an unholy wakeup call for those low & middle income wage earners when they realize what their “great prez” has done to the majority of them by failing to warn them of the increase in taxes coming when their taxes go from 4.2 to the 6.2 as that tax cut runs out and it’s going to get worse as time goes by!!

  • http://PERSONALLIBERTY.COM RICH

    INCREASING TAXES IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS A TRAVESTY!! HOWEVER I BELIEVE THE REFERENCE TO THE AMOUNT OF THE ADDITIONAL 2% PAID AT VARIOUS INCOME LEVELS IS INCORRECT.
    THE MAXIMUM INCOME SUBJECT TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY TAX IN 2013 IS $113,700.00. THEREFORE THE ADDITIONAL 2% WOULD MAX OUT AT $2,274.
    LITTLE CONSOLATION!
    RICH

    • mark

      You right, RICH, the 2% cut in the Social Security tax was presented all along as a temporary measure to provide some stimulus during the worst period of the downturn. Reinstating it to ensure Social Security’s viability is NOT a tax increase. It is simply a return to the status quo ante that existed from 1986 (when the Reagan adminstration added a small increase to the SS payroll tax along with other reforms to shore up Social Security) to 2009. But the Right is selling it as a monstrous “tax increase” to gin up their base like the totally fabribcated “Obama phone,” that is not a government program and was begun before Obama was elected .

      • http://PERSONALLIBERTY.COM RICH

        MARK, YOU TOTALLY MISREAD MY COMMENT WHICH WAS INTENDED TO CORRECT THE MAXIMUM ”NEW” TAX LIABILITY NOW THAT THE 2% HAS BEEN ”REINSTATED”.
        THIS IS A ”NEW” TAX NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY IT (DIDN’T PAY LAST YEAR – WILL PAY THIS YEAR).

        ”..INTENDED AS A STIMULUS…” DON’T YOU THINK WE STILL NEED A ”STIMULUS”? TAKING THAT MONEY AWAY FROM THE EXPENDABLE INCOME (WHICH IS WHAT IT DOES) CAN ONLY HURT THE ECONOMY.

        WE NEED ACROSS THE BOARD TAX CUTS TO GET THIS ECONOMY MOVING !!!

      • Mike in MI

        Rich -
        He and his friends are just like their venerated leader. It doesn’t make less than the least of any difference what you write, say or think. They will not deal with your topics, principles nor ideals.
        He did not miss the point of what you wrote. He side-stepped it, shut his mind to it and will not acknowledge that there are principles, mathematics, probabilities, logic and laws that govern life. They think that just because they get away with something unscathed once they will always get off scott-free. Like taking Prozac, the first few pills don’t feel like they caused things to change much. But, as you take more and the effects become more prevalent and pronounced at some point it causes somebody’s suicide/murder
        The real madness is that when the guilt trip hits, for refusing to listen to the first warnings, they will further deny that the risk associated with the pills actually led to the predictable result.
        Denying principles is deadly…risky, at least.

      • Lyndia

        The “Bush tax cuts” were also meant to be a temporary help to the citizens and should have been, but Obama is the one who extended them, making them Obama’s creation from that point on! I highly doubt that Obama knows how to balance his own checkbook let alone cutting him loose with the “power of the pen” for the entire country since he nearly doubled the debt in his first 4 years and…..it will only be going from bad to worse in these next 4 if he makes it that long with all of his spending plans!!

      • Kate8

        Lyndia – Obama doesn’t worry about balancing a checkbook. He thinks he has an unlimited spending allowance and, apparently, he does.

        He and Mooooochelle are taking yet another $20million Hawaiian vacation, even though they just took one in Dec.

        Those two pieces of trailer trash couldn’t care less about the rest of us. They’re livin’ large on our money and they laugh in our faces.

        The libs out there have a lot of gaul defending this joker. It’s only because they are so incapable of figuring anything out.

      • DaveR

        Flashy,

        You assert that common sense will make a return to federal government. Where is there any evidence of that being likely to occur? The recently passed fiscal cliff [tax increase] measures failed to address the deficit. Do you really think Congress and Obama are going to do that when they take up the debt ceiling issue or other financial issues they kicked down the calendar? Obama has openly stated on multiple occasions that he thinks he has a public mandate to continue to seek implementation of his ideas. Those ideas appear to include continued deficit spending, continued QEInfinity among others. Are those included in your vision of common sense?

  • Flashy

    Ever wonder what would have occurred had the extremists in the House not insisted on being petulant children who sulked and refused to join in when they weren’t given more candy ?

    Mr. Livingston…the payroll tax cut going away may be laid right at the feet of the extremist TP contingent of the House. it need not, nor should it, go further when being assigned who was responsible.

    You know it. I know it. Everyone in America knows who is to blame for the expiration of that cut.

    Spin it as you want. It does not alter the factual; history. The extremists have shown…this Nation’s welfare they care not for. Sandy hurricane relief? Screw the People. On the brink of market instability and chaos as the fiscal cliff approaches? Screw the people and the nation.

    A man may be respected even as the beliefs he holds differs from yours. But one cannot respect anyone who will purposely, deliberately, and knowingly refuses to accept that his way is not acceptable to the vast majority, that his way will cause harm and grief to millions of his countrymen…and yet insists that his way be the only way.

    The one good thing the extremists have given us/ they have shown they are not to be trusted in having a voice in this nation’s affairs. they have guaranteed that until they are marginalized and ousted from the GOP power circles…the GOP will be a minority party.

    Mr. Livingston…you claim you are a Libertarian. If i were you, i’d be mighty upset at the extremist TPers and those who proclaim that ideology. For by their actions these past years, they have done more to wreck any Libertarian movement than anyone else.

    Joe Scaroborough stated it best. America does not do “crazy”. “

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Flashy,

      You write: “Mr. Livingston…the payroll tax cut going away may be laid right at the feet of the extremist TP contingent of the House. it need not, nor should it, go further when being assigned who was responsible.” I see you have not yet received the wake-up call.

      You write: “Mr. Livingston…you claim you are a Libertarian.” I have never made this claim.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Flashy

        I apologize for placing you in the camp of claimed Libertarians.

        As for the wake up call….Mr. Livingston, you aren’t hearing Taps being played over the carcass of the extremists of the Right. it is clear, loud, and final. They had their 15 minutes of publicity…and as this nation’s history shows…extremism raises its head every once in awhile…from the Right and the Left…and after a brief moment…is pushed aside, marginalized, and the actors viewed as they should be. Folks with no place at the table directing the affairs of this nation.

        2013 will see the return of common sense Mr. Livingston. Common sense in gun control. Common sense in economic affairs, common sense in social mores and integration of the classes, and common sense in civility (OK..that last may take awhile longer as the extremists won’t take being slapped down without crying)

        Common sense will rule 2013 Mr. Livingston…not insanity and calling for destruction of this nation…

      • Vigilant

        The Death Of Common Sense
        12-13-10

        Obituary

        Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
        He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

        - Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
        - Why the early bird gets the worm;
        - Life isn’t always fair; and
        - Maybe it was my fault..

        Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

        Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

        It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

        Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

        Common Sense took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

        Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

        Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason.

        He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers:
        I Know My Rights
        I Want It Now
        Someone Else Is To Blame
        I’m A Victim
        Not many attended his funeral because
        so few realized he was gone..
        If you still remember him, pass this on.
        If not, join the majority and do nothing.

        -From

      • Vigilant
      • http://exodus-consulting.com Thomas

        Well, I’ll proudly make that claim. A plague on both their houses!

      • GALT

        Just curious, Flashy…..but if Mr. Livingston is NOT a “libertarian”, as HE has just
        stated……what made you believe he was?

        Asking him, why he is NOT, might also prove interesting?

        Asking him what he is…….a self definition?……might also be useful…..

        It doesn’t mean that anyone will pay attention…….but at least you will have it
        “for the record”?

        Also, I am curious……since all of this is the same stuff over and over again,
        why “isn’t” the “record” used for the continually repeated crap?

        And why did the fact that Mr. Livingston is NOT a Libertarian take so long to determine?

        I am just asking because I do not use “labels” as argument……..

    • http://uncleteddysreeducationcamp.com teddy maher

      The GOP is just an extension of the democratic left…. When you speak of extremists are you speaking of those folks who want honesty in government,would like to see a country where government union thugs,moochers,pensioners,illegal aliens and euro slicks are not allowed to steal their hard earned money through abusive taxation… Where deviete behavior is not an alternate lifestyle,Where pornography is not bigger than baseball,football and basketball combined…Where we don’t have a drug habit that supports entire economies of countries who hate us..Where dead beat dads own up to their responsibility instead of giving me the bill for their irresponsible procreation,Where three million babies are murdered in the name of choice….Are these the extremists you are speaking about…. If they are then you have nothing to fear they are losing the battle and you are winning…. What a beautiful world that is being created with the present day ideology..

    • redhawk

      Dear Flashy,
      Whether you want to believe it or not, America IS doing crazy! That’s one reason the Tea Party has come into existance. I don’t think you would recognize an extremist if you saw one. Here are some example s I can think of quickly: 1. Giving inanimate objects a will of their own and seeking to legislate that will away. 2. Giving a tiny % of the population a stage to express their imorality (SSM). 3. Printing, not earning, massive amounts of money to “pay” ypur bills. 4. Giving yourself a pay raise when the orgaization you work for is bankrupt. 5. Hiding from view actions that lead to the death of public servants & private individuals (Herr Eric Holder & Obamas executive privlidge). 6. The death of American women & children w/o holding anyone accountable (Ruby Ridge, ID and Waco, TX). This list is taking on the character of the grievances submittee to King Georgie prior to the American Revolution..This country was founded as a protest against taxation (see the ORIGINAL Tea Party) and now we have to present 100% of our wages well into May every year just to pay our taxes that this government largly squanders and goes back to the trough for more. Don’t tell me the TP folks are extremists! Go crawl into bed with Obama, Reid and Boener. They’d LOVE the company!

    • Ron The Marine

      flashy you are a true cool-aid drinker! Do you ever wonder why your backside is sore? Just may be from all the smoke the likes of the msm, Joe Scaroborough (who does “do crazy” every time he opens his godless mouth), and BO have blown up your tail pipe during your “short” miserable life! All you need to look at is BO’s stance on abortion. It does not matter how you frame abortion, In GODs WORD, The HOLY BIBLE, it is still murder of one the most precious gifts HE has ever given us! May GOD have mercy on your, BO’s and all other abortion believers’ miserable souls (and the United States of America for ever letting this abomination see the light of day)!!! You don’t qualify to be on the same planet with Tea Party members you infidel! As It is written in God’s Holy Word in Philippians 2: 5- 11, you and your kind, will at the name of JESUS (where ever your soul is located at that moment in eternity) , will bow your knee and confess with your tongue that JESUS CHRIST is LORD, to the glory of GOD THE FATHER! Turn (John 3:16) or burn!

      Semper Fi

      • Flashy

        Ahhhh…another member of the christian sect demanding his religion be placed above all other beliefs. Yet proclaiming he’s a ‘patriot’ (patriot for what cause is the question..for you sure as heck aren’t a patriot to the US)

        Ron..just what gives you the right to be able to dictate others adhere to your religious beliefs and place their beliefs secondary?

      • Vigilant

        Flashy, one not need be a Christian to understand that life itself is the most precious gift to human beings. Jefferson was not a Christian when he penned the famous “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” words in the Declaration.

        And I am not a Christian, but I believe in Natural Law and in holding “sacrosanct” the inviolability of life itself. It matters not whether you call a fetus a human being, it is human life.

      • Flashy

        ” It matters not whether you call a fetus a human being, it is human life.” <— vig

        Vigilant…i agree with what you wrote to a point. If survivability outside the womb is probable, it's a life of the species. Veal wouldn't be thought of as beef unless that were the case (the highest priced, best veal is the pre-born calf). however, if one fries up a few eggs from the farmyard…are you having eggs or chicken for breakfast? If there was a rooster in that farmyard, high odds the egg was fertilized.

        And would you go so far as to say the second time around in a night of amorous relations it's a menage' a trois ? (setting aside questions of child abuse, sex with a minor, incest etc).

        It's a complicated issue….one which needs no religious belief system to muck up the debate. Once it goes to religion, the issue morphs into one imposing a religious belief on all.

        So…I ask. When does a fertilized egg turn into a human being which has Rights? The SCOTUS stated perhaps the second trimester…and strongly suggested survivability outside the womb absolutely.

      • GALT

        Actually a ‘true christian” would not understand or agree that life is sacred.

        An example of a “true christian” ( which preceded the “cherry picking” of the Council of
        Nicaea in 325 AD and it’s actual attempt to ‘standardize’ the “brand” ) would be the conditions (actual) of the olde joke “Lions 10, Christians 0″, where their claim to
        “faith” was tested in the arena………the nature of this test was rather ‘clever’, in that
        the subjects of it were not denied weapons to defend themselves…….but rather to
        refuse them, and die! Not to be outdone, the counter to this was the “Baptism of Blood”,
        whereby these “martyr’s” got a straight ticket to “paradise”, no purgatory time required.

        As to your opinion regarding the “fetus”, with the cancellation of “limbo”, this too,
        would be an essentially irrelevant issue for “true christians” as an extension of
        the above reasoning. ( actual true christians are extremely rare )

        Your use of the term “natural law” does require a bit more definition…..since the “laws of nature” are determined by their actual observation, and there is no evidence that indicates that “life is sacred” or that “humans” are an exception.

        ” You have the single unalienable right to continue to attempt to survive and attempt
        to reproduce. ”

        This universal and observable in all species.

        The fetus is a “potential human life” and as a fetus requires the support mechanism
        of the “mother” not only in the womb but after, and for quite a number of years.
        as a fetus, it represents a threat to the mothers life and this has been true for
        most of history………….and still is in some places, and from recent reports infant
        mortality seems to be on the rise, even in “developed” countries.

        The nature of this threat can be found within the history of christianity itself,
        in that while children were “baptized” as soon as possible ( limbo threat ) they
        were not permitted to take part in “communion” until they reached the
        “Age of Reason” ( which was seven ) which is not to say that anything “magically”
        took place…….but that most children did not survive to reach that age.

        As for your concern with regard to the fetus and whatever it is motivated by, I
        am pretty certain you can “save” as many as you want……by agreeing to pay
        for the medical care of the mother to insure a “healthy outcome” and by
        adopting and raising the “human being” to it’s fullest potential.

        How many have you adopted so far?

        If that does not appeal to you, you can also follow the example of the notable
        Tea Party, Christian, Representative, and farm (subsidized), mental health care
        clinic ( subsidized ) tax attorney ( government dependent ) owner and entreprenuer,
        Michelle Bachmann……an be a “foster parent” of twenty plus children……….at
        $900 or more/ month……..since the more the merrier and it did not
        seem to affect her many career’s, campaign’s etc.

      • GALT

        “threat” clarification…….the church declared that given the choice between the life
        of mother or child, the child had priority….mom? S.O.L.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        The Council of Nicea is often misrepresented by cults and other religious movements. The actual concern of the council was clearly and unambiguously the relationship between the Father and the Son. Is Christ a creature, or true God? The council said He was true God. Yet, the opponents of the deity of Christ did not simply give up after the council’s decision. In fact, they almost succeeded in overturning the Nicene affirmation of
        Christ’s deity. But faithful Christians like Athanasius continued to defend the truth, and in the end, truth triumphed over error. The propaganda spewed by the Opponents of Christianity is always the same: “You can’t really trust the Bible,” anti-christian cults will say, “because you really don’t know what books belong in it. You see, a bunch of men got together and decided the canon of Scripture at the Council of Nicea, picking some books, rejecting others, where some group of unnamed, faceless men “decided” for you and what you are supposed to believe. The fact is, nothing could be further from the truth, nothing was decided, or even said, about the canon of Scripture at that council. The title “the Council of Nicea” is always used as an accusation by those who reject the Christian faith. New Agers often allege that the council removed the teaching of reincarnation from the Bible. And of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses and critics of the deity of Christ likewise point to that council as the “beginning of the Trinity” or the “first time the deity of Christ was asserted as orthodox teaching.” Others see it as the beginning of the union of church and state in light of the participation of the Roman Emperor, Constantine. Some even say it was the beginning of the Roman Catholic church. The truth is, those who hate Christianity either have no clue as to what transpired at the Council of Nicea, or they are simply lying.

      • Vicki

        Flashy deomnstrates that he should stick to what he knows and stay out of politics by writing:
        “{ if one fries up a few eggs from the farmyard…are you having eggs or chicken for breakfast? If there was a rooster in that farmyard, high odds the egg was fertilized”

        You are having eggs for breakfast.

        “Chances are you’ve never eaten a fertilized egg, because nearly all eggs sold commercially are produced by hens that have not mated, says Lauren Cobey, media representative for the American Egg Board. When fertilized eggs are sold for consumption, there is no danger of eating a developing embryo, says Cobey, for a few reasons: All eggs sold in the United States as food must be refrigerated, a process that halts any growth inside the shell. Also, the interior of any egg intended to be sold as food must be inspected—accomplished by shining a bright light through the shell (called candling)—which highlights any irregularities, such as a developing chick. These regulations hold true whether the eggs are intended for a large chain like Safeway or for the farmers’ market. ”
        http://www.chow.com/food-news/54729/whats-the-difference-between-fertilized-and-unfertilized-eggs/

      • GALT

        So Jay……did you have a point or question? Since I am the one
        who raised the “council”?

        BTW my post begins with a position……..

        Actually a ‘true christian” would not understand or agree that life is sacred.

        and includes mention of the council…….

        An example of a “true christian” ( which preceded the “cherry picking” of the Council of
        Nicaea in 325 AD and it’s actual attempt to ‘standardize’ the “brand” )

        Your post is dedicated it would appear, to the “council” entirely……and ends with…..

        The truth is, those who hate Christianity either have no clue as to what transpired at the Council of Nicea, or they are simply lying.

        which does seem to have any relevance to “anything”, since there was or is no
        expression of a “hatred” of “christianity” by anyone here that I can see……

        And the point of the example used…….precedes the council…….as a demonstration
        of the initial point…….

        Actually a ‘true christian” would not understand or agree that life is sacred.

        Can you explain?

    • DaveH

      Flashshill says — “Ever wonder what would have occurred had the extremists in the House not insisted on being petulant children who sulked and refused to join in when they weren’t given more candy?”.
      Extremists. A manipulative word used by Liberal Progressives to sway ignorant minds.
      Petulant Children? What Flashshill calls those who resist his hands in their pockets.
      Criminal Society? That which Flashshill is a member of:
      http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • GALT

        Ah, there you are………………………we have unfinished business and there is
        NO ESCAPE!!!!!!!!

        It would seem that the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” DavidH has given us another mindless link to “von mises”……..

        “They imagine that it is the 1 percent of highest wealth holders who are the problem. In fact, that 1 percent includes some of the smartest, most innovative people in the country — the people who invent, market, and distribute material blessings to the whole population. They also own the capital that sustains productivity and growth.”

        Unfortunately the author ( L. Rockwell ) neglected to “identify” any of these people.

        Maybe DavidH, who seems to rely on this “source” for most of what he claims is “his understanding” of “things” ( and the solution ) could provide us with this list…….either on his own ( which would not be a good idea ) or directly from the “source”……( since it is possible that maybe it exists in other offerings by Mr. Rockwell? )

        It might also be interesting to see a list of David’s “crony capitalists” in contrast to these yet “unidentified” list of what we might possibly assume are “non crony capitalist’s”, since we are actually being referred to this link, for a reason?

        Which is the continual problem with the “functionally illiterate” part of DavidH, in that he never actually understands anything he reads…….which is why he never makes “any sense”………but we shall see…….

        David?

        http://mises.org/daily/5776/The-State-is-the-1-Percent

        P.S. DavidH. I realize that despite my efforts, most of those who engage you still have “no clue” how absolutely “absurd” you are ……………………. ( a.k.a. stupid )!

        Since you seem to believe you are the “junkyard dog” here, and the conditions have been stated for you to escape MY WRATH….and clearly superior intellect ( in terms of logical reasoning on every subject ) if you wish to avoid this………you have been advised of the means to do so.

        My advice to you ( directed in the nicest possible way ) is to heed those “suggestions”………….you have been warned for the final time.

      • DaveH

        Galt says — “Personal Attack….Personal Attack….Personal Attack….Blah….Blah….Blah…”.

        Seek help, Galt. Obviously your meds are failing.

      • GALT

        No response?

        What a SURPRISE!!!!!!!!

        “Is our children learning”?

        What part of…….hey, what ever this thing DavidH IS!!!!!!! It ain’t “human”, it ain’t
        intelligent….it serves no purpose……and the only thing on this site that occupies
        a more meaningless space is W.A.R. ( whom DavidH. would love to be! )

        Did you forget MY RULES, DavidH?

      • DaveH

        As I’ve said before, Galt, if I thought you might influence anybody, I would take the time to find a Galt Garble to English translater to figure out what it is you’re trying to say. But then I’d have to explain what it is you’re trying to say to the other readers, before I could even address your comment. You’re not worth my time, Galt.
        In fact I think, as one of the other commenters stated, you are barking mad.

      • GALT

        It’s nice that you have company to console you……….no man should have to
        face the exposure of his complete lack of intelligence, character and integrity,
        alone!!!!!!!!!

      • GALT

        So, Mr. Rockwell doesn’t have an actual list of these noble job creating capitalists?

        And you don’t have a list of “crony capitalists”?

        No wonder the “von mises” site is FREE!!!!!!

      • Vicki

        GALT says:
        “Ah, there you are………………………we have unfinished business and there is
        NO ESCAPE!!!!!!!!

        It would seem that the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” DavidH has given us another mindless link to “von mises”……..”

        Ad hominem attack. Debate FAIL.

      • JC

        Galt says:
        P.S. DavidH. I realize that despite my efforts, most of those who engage you still have “no clue” how absolutely “absurd” you are ……………………. ( a.k.a. stupid )!

        Since you seem to believe you are the “junkyard dog” here, and the conditions have been stated for you to escape MY WRATH….and clearly superior intellect ( in terms of logical reasoning on every subject ) if you wish to avoid this………you have been advised of the means to do so.
        _____________________________________________________________________

        Galt, I could see a while ago that you are one very obnoxious and boring prog. Just another Pseudo Intellectual. Are you stupid?…no. Are you completely misguided and morally bancrupt? Absolutely.
        And that is why like the other progs you have nothing to contribute here. So head on back to Starbucks and gather around your Pseudo Intellectual friends and yap away…..

      • GALT

        For Vicki……..are YOU a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” or just “stupid”?

        and the “other” idiot, too.

        None of you really KNOW what an “an hominem” attack is, so let us see if it
        is POSSIBLE to enlighten you………

        ad hominem

        You attacked your opponent’s character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

        Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone’s case without actually having to engage with it.

        Example: After Sally presents an eloquent and compelling case for a more equitable taxation system, Sam asks the audience whether we should believe anything from a woman who isn’t married, was once arrested, and smells a bit weird.

        1.) Did DavidH have an argument? Has he ever made an argument or stated a
        position on “anything”? If you can READ and REASON, there is “evidence” available
        in the post that you “cherry picked”……..but maybe you can’t read?

        “we have unfinished business ……..DavidH has given us another mindless link to “von mises”……..”

        2.) The relevant portion of the “link” is quoted…..maybe you did not SEE IT?
        Maybe you did not comprehend it? Why did DavidH, post the link? Did DavidH
        comprehend the “link”……because it would seem that Mr. Rockwell has made a
        statement which suggests a “conclusion”……..which might be correct, if there
        was “evidence” to support it…….so there are questions, inquiring what that
        “evidence” is………and the “link” is provided…….because the “evidence” is
        not there………you are free to examine this…..if you see any “names” please
        let us know who they are?

        3.) “unfinished business”……..DavidH was asked this question on the day he
        posted the link…..he did not respond…….. “no escape”…..he is now being
        asked again……..and he will be continue to be asked this question and many others
        he refuses to answer………until he does answer.

        4.) DavidH responded to my post…….do you see an answer to the questions asked?

        DaveH says:
        January 4, 2013 at 4:01 pm
        Galt says — “Personal Attack….Personal Attack….Personal Attack….Blah….Blah….Blah…”.

        Seek help, Galt. Obviously your meds are failing.

        and

        DaveH says:
        January 4, 2013 at 10:18 pm
        As I’ve said before, Galt, if I thought you might influence anybody, I would take
        the time to find a Galt Garble to English translater to figure out what it is
        you’re trying to say. But then I’d have to explain what it is you’re trying
        to say to the other readers, before I could even address your comment. You’re not worth my time, Galt.

        In fact I think, as one of the other commenters stated, you are barking mad.

        5.) So, is it possible that DavidH did not comprehend the “link” he wanted
        everyone to read?

        6.) Is it possible that DavidH did not comprehend the “questions asked” regarding
        the “link”?

        7.) Do YOU require a “translator” to understand the questions?

        Do you know what an ad hominem attack is, Vicki?

        Or are YOU a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” , too?

        What does “the evidence” suggest?

      • Vicki

        DaveH writes:
        “Extremists. A manipulative word used by Liberal Progressives to sway ignorant minds.
        Petulant Children?”

        Galt responds:
        “It would seem that the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” DavidH has given us another mindless link to “von mises”……..”

        I observed that GALT’s response is and Ad hominem attack.

        GALT responds with an ad-hominem attack to me by writing:
        “For Vicki……..are YOU a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” or just “stupid”?

        and the “other” idiot, too.”

        Then admits to the attack by telling us the definition of ad-hominem which exactly what he did.
        Then proceeds to do it (ad-hominem attack) again by saying:

        “….but maybe you can’t read?”
        “Or are YOU a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” , too?”

        On the plus side we have proof that he is doing it with deliberate intent and not out of willful ignorance.

      • GALT

        Thank you Vicki………

        3.) “unfinished business”……..DavidH was asked this question on the day he
        posted the link…..he did not respond…….. “no escape”…..he is now being
        asked again……..and he will be continue to be asked this question and many others
        he refuses to answer………until he does answer.

        “proof of functional illiteracy and willfull ignorance” is always refreshing………

        BTW if you can comprehend the significance of what is written above, you will be
        able to accuse me again of an “ad hominem” attack………

        Please stay tuned……..because the number of times David has refused to answer the question will be entered each time it is asked…….it will appear whenever DavidH appears
        as a poster…….as there is no escape…….and in all probability, it will have nothing to
        do with whatever the “subject” of what ever DavidH’s post is talking about…….

        He can end this ( and should have ) when it the question was asked…….

        The number of responses while failing to answer the question….two.

        Number of additional functional illiterates exposed…….two.

        “willfull ignorants” exposed……two

        P.S. the latter requires at least one additional post to confirm……..will JC join you?
        Of course anyone else who jumps in now……might qualify automatically.

      • Vicki

        GALT says:
        “Thank you Vicki………”

        You’re welcome.

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “You know it. I know it. Everyone in America knows who is to blame for the expiration of that cut”.
      No Flashshill. We only know who you claim is responsible. And your word is not much good, except perhaps to fertilize my garden.

      • momo

        Wasn’t the Social Security tax cut supposed to be a one year deal, but then got extended for a second year. I’d say it just expired.

      • Flashy

        momo…weren’t the Bush II tax cuts for the wealthy also supposed to have been temporary before the extremists insisted they were permanent and letting them expire would be a tax increase?

        So it was permanent for the wealthy, but only temporary for the paycheck earners. ?

      • DaveR

        This is intended for Galt,

        While you may indeed score “off the charts” on any human devised test of IQ and acquired knowledge, that does not equate with wisdom. Also, some of the most intelligent people [in my opinion] demonstrated such by repeatedly being able to present their arguments and evidence in a manner their intended audiences could and would quickly grasp. Among those people I include Einstein, Jesus [of the Bible especially in his parables and explanations of them to his disciples], Milton Friedman, and Ken Starr and several other attorneys I have witnessed presenting their cases to federal appellate judges. Simplification of a complex issue or argument is often a sign of true genius. You may persuade more people to accept your viewpoints if you simplify and condense your arguments.

      • GALT

        Wow, Dave

      • GALT

        DaveR says: January 5, 2013 at 5:33 pm
        This is intended for Galt,

        Yes Dave I am here……sorry for the false start above, I lost track of your post, while beginning to reply…..

        While you may indeed score “off the charts” on any human devised test of IQ and acquired knowledge, that does not equate with wisdom.
        The lead up was not required, the state of my knowledge and reasoning ability is what it is………errors of fact are open to corrention, intelligent anaylsis and criticism and/or discussion of what is offered, is open to anyone who wishes to engage in such a dialog. ( this does not seem to be what those responding to me have in mind or what the evidence suggests but maybe you see things differently )

        Since you do raise this knowledge/wisdom relationship, and it is not the first time, I suppose it would be useful to deal with it.

        Philosophy translates from the greek to “Love of wisdom” and it would appear to precede any distinction between wisdom and knowledge, so they are synonyms………but the “aspiration” can in fact be analyzed by the results of these endeavours…….since these philosophers produced a “great deal of wisdom” and approximations of what REALITY consisted of………..all of which in terms of REALITY, turned out to be incorrect.

        The distinction, has the equivilent value of those who cite “common sense” ( naive realism ) as what is lacking to solve the problems we are facing……..it has no application for anything except things that yield to simple solutions.

        If problems entail understanding the “actual knowledge” to solve them, any solution which is derived without considering this “knowledge” would neither be wise, nor constitute wisdom.

        Also, some of the most intelligent people [in my opinion] demonstrated such by repeatedly being able to present their arguments and evidence in a manner their intended audiences could and would quickly grasp.

        Good comedians have this ability, as do satirist’s, they have the ability through their art, to allow people to admit the true nature of things, regarding themselves and other common things around them.
        Historically, they are the only people who have done this consistently, unfortunately, that is the extent of that contribution…..that simple moment of shared recognition…….no change will occur to alter the nature of the truth that has been shared.

        Among those people I include Einstein, Jesus [of the Bible especially in his parables and explanations of them to his disciples],

        Unfortunately, grasping would appear to be a meaningless accomplishment …….if it actually occured……..since neither of these people managed to inspire the results contained in the messages that you believe were so easily grasped.

        Milton Friedman,

        Who is an economist…….a faux discipline which is completely invalid, so whatever he had the ability to help people to grasp, produced negative results……..fortunately, in terms of actual “understanding” he was just another voice, admidst the “babble”……..

        and Ken Starr and several other attorneys I have witnessed presenting their cases to federal appellate judges.

        And you end with the worst possible example of all, for this is simply rhetoric……relying on “stare decisis ” ( post 1938 ) from disparate jurisdictions, with disparste precedents………which “presumes intelligence and validity of the law” as well as the “impartialiy and intelligence of the judges”……..none of which is true, or even mostly true and all of which would have to be true, for a valid, just, intelligent outcome………the first indication of which ( but not confirmation of ) would be a unanimous decision.

        Simplification of a complex issue or argument is often a sign of true genius.

        Do you have any actual examples of this? I only ask because, all of what you have said doesn’t seemed to have produced anything substantive.

        You may persuade more people to accept your viewpoints if you simplify and condense your arguments.

        Also rather nebulous…….but I can and will assist you, with whatever YOU are having a problem or problems with? I have made some very simple and stark declarations.

        1.) That you have the single unalienable right to continue to attempt to survive.

        2.) That you are governed by your biology, which stopped 50, 000 years ago, and does not include an inate ability to reason logicically, and all our behavior can be explained by this biology.

        Other than that, everything else is designed to direct you the sources of evidence, to explore for yourself, actual facts, actual history, etc.

        If I have learned nothing else in my life it is that if you are truly going to accept anything as being true, it must come from your desire to know, and the willingness to seek it out for yourself…….whether I use history, or science, or law, the purpose of the “tale” ends with posing questions or challenges to that which is believed to be true.

        If you understand the implications of those two stark and simple facts, it is not flattering, and most peoples belief systems are comprised of things that rationalize their ‘”conditions” and their behavior. Your biology has no problem employing deception or self deception in the completion of it’s “prime directive”……..logical reasoning is neither required and may be detrimental to that directive…….unfortunately we have altered the conditions around us to such an extent, that we no longer have the luxury of excusing our own “willfull ignorance” or that of others, simply because it is disturbing to the rather arrogant self delusion that we have constructed, to distinguish ourselves from all else around us…..and that we are somehow special and intended, the product of a divine and/ or universal purpose…….especialy one that transcends, and thus negates our meaning and purpose, in this existance? ( and will end it, if continued! )

        Is that still too complex?

        • DaveR

          Please tell us, Mr. GALT, what are your formal education degrees; you surely must have many, including many honorary doctorates? And what great things you have accomplished by application of your superior intellect to your vast knowledge?

          This will be my last comment to you as I realize any further effort would be fruitless.

          Best wishes to you.

      • GALT

        So, DaveR, I guess the answer to the final question was “Yes.”? (as, in still too complex and/or not simple, enough? )

        To repeat: ” errors of fact are open to correction, intelligent analysis and criticism and/or discussion of what is offered, is open to anyone who wishes to engage in such a dialog.”

        May I assume that, because you have included none of this in your response….
        you do not require any specific help, regarding anything I have said ….as it
        was offered to YOU ………and that whatever the purpose of your ” previous
        advisory comment” was…………you were not seeking either “greater understanding”
        or to engage in “intelligent logically reasoned dialog or argument” ?

        As to your final questions and parthian logically fallacious exit line…..

        My name is GALT, an identity constructed exclusively for the “engagement of
        intellectual discourse” HERE in the spirit of the federalist’s and anti-federalist’s,
        although chosen to be specifically more “apropos” to it’s underlying theme.

        “This will be my last comment to you as I realize any further effort would
        be fruitless.”

        I guess we will have to take your word for that……..I have taken the time to
        respond to “everything” you have said……..and you seem to have no questions,
        corrections, or argument……….so in terms of “expended effort”, I seem to
        have exceeded by far, what ever you might have imagined YOUR’S, to have been?

        Given the “evidence”, the problem might lie in the nature of the “fruit” you
        were expecting? ( or the actual motivation behind your “efforts”? )

        Not a total loss…….

        “The Master said….If names are not correct, language is not in accordance
        with the truth of things. If language is not in accordance with the truth of
        things, affairs cannot be carried on to success……..Therefor a superior
        man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken
        appropriately. What the superior man requires, is just that in his words,
        there may be nothing incorrect.”

        if nothing else, you should have a greater understanding of the meaning
        and usage of the word “wisdom”????????????

    • DaveH

      Flashshill says — “extremist…..extremist…..extremist”.
      Maybe if he repeats that often enough, some ignorant readers might believe him. But then, those people were already on his side.

    • DaveH

      By the way, Flashshill, where’s your alter-ego today? Don’t have enough energy to pretend to be nice?

    • Chuck S

      I’d say extremists are people who want to spend more when we have much more than $1 trillion deficit and $16 trillion debt – much more including projected shortfalls in Social Security and Medicare. Or who want a bloated government to get even bigger.

  • http://uncleteddysreeducationcamp.com teddy maher

    Bob … The crowd you mentioned put this Bozo in ….. The crowd i want to see wake up is the crowd with the authority to demand the credentials necessary to occupy the highest office in the land and I wish that stretch GEEK O’Reilly would either shut up or join in on an honest accounting of who this guy is….

  • rtaylortitle

    This is why I left the GOP forever. The GOP is controlled by elitists that pay more attention to the unregistered lobby, AIPAC (Israel’s unregistered lobby to Congress) than they do to their own country. I voted Libertarian for Gary Johnson this last go-round because he has NEVER failed to defend the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. I will gladly vote Independent if we can get the likes of a Judge Napolitano and/or Jesse Ventura to run….but, they need to start the process NOW.

    • http://uncleteddysreeducationcamp.com teddy maher

      Thats great Ray ! Did he win? …… You really showed the GOP????

      • JC

        You know teddy, it really doesn’t matter any more anyway.
        Romney is just another Ol boy in the elitist world.
        We need to completely replace the system we have with one that represents our Constitution. Until we do it doesn’t matter who you vote for…at all.

      • Steve E

        Romney didn’t win either. Nor will Republicans ever win a Presidential election again unless they revert back to the Constitution (and they won’t). The good thing is that perhaps years in the future when the Repubs finally realize they will never be elected again, a new Constitution party will form.

      • Vicki

        Since the GOP offered us Obama spelled with an R I don’t see why they or you are surprised that we didn’t vote for either of them.

    • wsk

      You mean that you voted for the low-eared man-child messiah.

    • Chuck S

      Jesse Ventura ran as a conservative in MN, but gave in to the liberals as lot when elected as governor. Like a lot of GOPers. After Columbine, he said it might have been better if some school administrator had a gun. The next day he apologized and said he was wrong – but I think he was right the first time. One time he told a single mother that it wasn’t his baby – why should he (I guess meaning the government of MN) support her? However, I think he went along with continuing welfare after that. He got a light rail boondoggle.

  • Warrior

    Well, well, well. Here’s our nice little communist friend attacking Tea Party people again. Right in lockstep with “yo mastas” too! Free yourself flashy me boy. Proclaim your faith in public. Personal Liberty BAD! Collective – GOOD!

    • Steve E

      The people who attack the Tea Party are either stupid or they have Communism in their blood.

      • Vicki

        Look at how the MSM portrays the tea party movement. The people are not stupid. Just ignorant.

  • Fab55

    As I recall, the 2% payroll tax cut was always meant to be a short-term stimulus measure, not a permanent fixture. And it did add to the deficit as well as reduce the long-term viability of social security.

    • canoworms27

      That was my thought when the tax was reduced, “long term viability to social security”. I’m glad I’m not the only one who realised it. Thank you…

    • Steve E

      Social Security is going broke anyway and no one is going to fix it. So why raise the payroll tax anyway? Oh, that’s right. It makes one feel good.

  • wsk

    Bob,
    Amerikans are not asleep; they are brain-dead. It is the only logical conclusion as to why the low-eared man child messiah was not only elected once, but twice; why Harry Reid, Chuck Shumer, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer et al. still have jobs and how easily the sheeple are manipulated by the short attention span media; where Honey Boo-boo and Kim Kardashian are more important than national defense. I have completely lost faith in Amerika and wonder if it is still worth defending. Welcome to the new normal.

    • Steve E

      America is not worth defending now because there is nothing legitimate to defend.

    • SarahR

      Don’t be discouraged. Obama won the Hispanic vote and American families earning less than $30,000 a year 62% to 35%. These are un-educated people who voted for federal government programs. The moochers. Romney won where it counted, white males and independents by significant margins.

      • Flashy

        Sarah….Romney may have taken the white male vote…but you should look at the numbers for the Independents again. those that called themselves ‘independent went Romney 50-45. however…those numbers are skewed. Obama won self-declared moderates, 56 percent to 41 percent.

        if you examine those numbers closer…a “few’ folks who were right of Attila the Hun said they were ‘independent” … not exactly accurate.

        As well…those white male voters you rely upon? look again at the numbers. Take away the 8 Deep South states where the TP Trilogy of hate, anger and ignorance is at its height…and Obama took the white male vote …

        Nice try spinning it though …

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        The simplest reason why Obama’s opponent lost was because it is impossible to compete against free stuff. Every businessman knows this; that is why the “loss leader” or the giveaway is such a powerful marketing tool. Obama’s America is one in which free stuff is given away: the adults among the 47 millions on food stamps clearly recognized for whom they should vote, and so they did, by the tens of millions; those who, courtesy of Obama, receive two full years of unemployment benefits (which, of course, both disincentivizes looking for work and also motivates people to work off the books while collecting their windfall) surely know for whom to vote; so too those who anticipate “free” health care, who look for the government to give them jobs.The lure of free stuff is irresistible.

  • Lawrence

    I am bewildered. In a recent poll americans say they are opposed to higher taxes and bigger government by 60%. Then they voted for it anyway.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      I believe it was P T Barnum that said, “no one ever went broke under estimating the intelligence of the American public” I think the intelligence of the American public is vastly over estimated.

    • Steve E

      My best guess is that many of those 60% did not vote (Lazy ass Slackers)

  • Terry Bateman

    Bob Livingston mentions “ignorance of reality”.
    Here is reality: Social Security needs more revenues to pay its mandated benefits
    now and in the next 100 years. Cutting Social Security withholding rates now to
    encourage current spending is “ignorance of reality”.

    We need Bob Livingston’s prescription for enabling Social Security to keep paying
    its full mandated benefits for the next 100 years.

    • Gordon

      In typical ponzi scheme fashion, the SS system is dying because the lower levels grow in numbers and want to get something for nothing. The Republican party is in its final death throes. They have abandoned the conservatives and Constitutionalists, and thus the party will die and transition to a new party under a new name….. if the country continues to exist.

      • GALT

        Actually THE REALITY is far more dire……..

        Economics is invalid in it’s entirety, it does not work, it can not work, and it has nothing to DO with reality.

        CIVILIZATION DOES NOT WORK AND HAS NOT WORKED.

        All governments and economic systems have either failed or are in the
        process of failing………due to the rapid increase in population and the fact
        that the entire globe is “civilized” , the only question that you need
        concern your with is, will the natural correction force be sufficient, to eliminate
        enough people, to continue to survive in the conditions of the new equilibrium,
        or have we exceeded any possibility, that this new equilibrium will be capable of
        supporting human life or much of any other kind of life?

        THE REALITY is our evolution has designed us for an evironment that was
        in place approx 50,000 years ago……..when agriculture altered these conditions,
        our evolution did not continue……….so the same forces and skills that determined
        out success as a species, THEN……..are still in place……..and since the external environment no longer posed significant threat, we simply turned these
        skills upon each other…….while constantly altering the new environment,
        while failing to evolve, as each forced equilibrium shift took us to a new set
        of conditions.

        The skill set that is required is the application of “logically reasoned intelligence”
        and while some success has been achieved, it is isolated and specialized……
        while our general behavior is still based on “pattern recognition” for determining
        threat assessment……..which requires a response whether on not the threat
        is REAL,…….. ( survival ) and our second evolved requirement. ( reproduction
        to pass on our own genes and for the continuation of the species. )

        The effects of altering our environment, while not understanding how or even being
        able to recognize that the changes are a threat, has also given us the luxury
        of acting as individuals, and the illusion that this is a desirable condition, or
        goal, which promotes behavior that may or may not be beneficial to the group,
        because “inter dependence” is no longer an “obvious or considered a critical
        need”.

        If this is not the REALITY you see, you will need to take action to force yourself
        to see it, because everything you do, think, say, believe and act on, will be a
        waste of time and energy…….any future YOU have left will continue to worsen,
        and ultimately at some point there will be no future for anyone.

        Two documentaries may be of assistance to begin your journey.

        Hungry for Change, and Genetic Chile……….both are available on Netflix and maybe
        from other sources as well…….

        The first will start you down the road of understanding that you have not
        evolved………the second will start you down the second path and the
        realization of just how much danger you are facing…….

        Logically reasoned intelligence is a requirement, as these films are not
        directed at convincing you directly of what has been presented here.
        They provide the evidence for what is presented here…….

        to be continued……because it gets worse.

      • Vicki
      • Vicki
      • GALT

        Thanks Vicki…….the first link, to the actual film has expired……so
        the point which is intended for demonstration…….may not be, contained
        or stressed in the text, as it is in the film……..thanks again, though.

      • GALT

        http://www.solarmovie.so/watch-hungry-for-change-2012.html

        This link may work…….you have to create an account ( free ) and at the moment
        the site is having problems……..

    • Steve E

      Thinking that SS is not going to go bankrupt in the future is “ignorance of reality”.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If there was no money in the SS in the first place then how could it go bankrupt?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Terry Bateman,

      You write: “We need Bob Livingston’s prescription for enabling Social Security to keep paying
      its full mandated benefits for the next 100 years.” Why should this Ponzi scheme continue for 100 more years?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Terry Bateman

        You ask, Bob, why should the social security “ponzi scheme” go on for the next 100 years? This is just my opinion, but I believe that America will go on for the next 100
        years. I expect to go on for the next 50 years, and so will lots of other people in their
        fifties. Every paycheck I ever received withheld money for social security, medicare,etc.
        I expect to receive social security and medicare benefits for 35 years, and so do millions
        of other middle class workers. I know it is hard for the rich and out of touch class to
        understand that most of our society counts on social security and medicare for a major
        part of their retirement sustenance, but that is reality for the masses.

        Thank you for your response to my reply, Bob.
        Terry Bateman

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Terry Bateman,

          You write: “very paycheck I ever received withheld money for social security, medicare,etc.
          I expect to receive social security and medicare benefits for 35 years, and so do millions
          of other middle class workers.” This is a different argument from the question you originally posed. Your question to me was: “We need Bob Livingston’s prescription for enabling Social Security to keep paying
          its full mandated benefits for the next 100 years.” My response remains, why should a corrupt and unworkable system that involves the theft of money from every worker’s paycheck have to continue? I did not say you should not receive the money that was confiscated from your check. But the program should be ended. Workers should be able to keep the fruits of their labor and invest (or not) in what they choose to, without government dictates.

          You write: “I know it is hard for the rich and out of touch class to understand that most of our society counts on social security and medicare for a major part of their retirement sustenance, but that is reality for the masses.” If you are implying that I am “the rich and out of touch class” then you are making unfounded assumptions.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • DaveH

      Eliminate the Unconstitutional Theft of other peoples’ property (Social Security) and sell enough Federal assets to create a secure fund to pay back people for their stolen property. Like anybody would expect of a Private Pension Plan.
      Social Security a Ponzi Scheme? Worse:
      http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

      • GALT

        You still here? What did I tell you?

        BTW in “natural law” this is your “pack leader”, ( a.k.a. alpha ) telling you, YOU
        DavidH, are no longer welcome here……you serve no purpose….you are a detriment to
        humanity……find someplace else……and take Wayne Allen Root with you.

      • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

        Galt you are the omega wolf around here, tolerated only for the good of having someone to point to and say, There walks the monkey. Please do try and supply honest evidence in future posts

      • DaveH

        Galt,
        The “pack leader” of the barking mad dogs.

      • Vicki

        GALT fancies himself a dictator and demonstrates by writing to DaveH:
        “………this is your “pack leader”, ( a.k.a. alpha ) telling you, , YOU
        DavidH, are no longer welcome here……you serve no purpose….you are a detriment to
        humanity……find someplace else……and take Wayne Allen Root with you.”

        This also demonstrates GALT’s commitment to free speech. I.E. that of a typical liberal.

      • GALT

        Poor Vicki……..”natural law” is crucial to the comprehension of what you quoted.

        Of course, a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” would not know that, or why,
        because they would not know what “natural law” was………or where one would
        look to find it. ( even though I have already covered it )

        BTW The “original question” which David H. did not answer and has still not
        answered is here………I left you a brief note.

        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/03/barack-obama-is-a-socialist/#comment-801456

      • Vicki

        GALT says:
        “Poor Vicki……..”natural law” is crucial to the comprehension of what you quoted.”

        And you had a point? or were you just discussing how dogs have a leader. Since you are not a dog (evidence by your posting here) it does not seem to be of any relevance.

        (Ad hominem attack deleted)

        “BTW The “original question” which David H. did not answer and has still not
        answered is here………I left you a brief note.”

        How sweet. You left me a note in a thread I have not even read (yet :) ). But you did leave trail for me to amuse myself with. -Thanks-

      • Vicki

        I followed the link thoughtfully provided by GALT and then went just above to the post that he apparently was pointing to and found:
        “GALT says:
        January 4, 2013 at 5:08 am (in a different thread btw)

        It would seem that the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” DavidH has given us
        another mindless link to “von mises”……..”

        Which is the same ad hominem attack that I commented much higher in the main thread of this article (January 5, 2013 at 5:04 am) but he used it (appears to be verbatim) in that thread too. Consistency has its uses i suppose.

      • GALT

        Always a pleasure to see you sacrifice yourself as a continuing demonstration
        of the condition which afflicts most of you here, Vicki….

        You had no problem responding to it, when it appeared for the “second time”….

        That proved useful in that it provided an opportunity to attempt to
        educate you as to what an “ad hominem” attack actually was……
        apparently this may have to be repeated………

        as for the significance of “natural law”……..everything that follows in reference
        to the “solution” to DavidH……..is based on those conditions being in place……
        when you removed it………you made any comments you may have had regarding
        what was left irrelevant…….and you continue to do so…….a.k.a. “willfull ignorance”

        “functional illiteracy” is, as you continue to demonstrate, is a extremely debilitating
        and dangerous condition………

        A new post has been added here…….it is titled REALITY…….let us see if
        you can comprehend what it means?

      • Vicki

        GALT says:
        “Always a pleasure to see you sacrifice yourself as a continuing demonstration
        of the condition which afflicts most of you here, Vicki….”

        Happy to oblige. It is why we have asked Bob to continue to allow you and others (flashy, eddie47d etc) to post here. We have observed with much amusement your writing style for some time now.

      • GALT

        P.S. Vicki…..every post that is directed at DavidH by me identifies him as
        a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”……..

        It is a ” condition” which is based on “evidence”, so much evidence in fact that
        the only people who fail to recognize the “condition” are those that also suffer from it.

        The identification is irrelevant to the questions asked or any argument that
        may evolve for any answer he might give……..( and since he used the link
        to make a point……..his condition is once again evidenced……because the
        link makes a claim for which no evidence is provided……)

        When the questions had to be reposted, he responded twice……..neither
        answered the questions asked……..

        Do you know what an “ad hominim attack” is? Apparently not, even though DavidH
        provided you with two……..

        By the way, is it your understanding that our species evolved as
        “independent individuals”?

        Pack:

        4.)
        a : a set of persons with a common interest : clique
        b : an organized unit (as of Cub Scouts)

        5.)

        a (1) : a group of domesticated animals trained to hunt or run together (2) : a group of often predatory animals of the same kind (3) : a large group of individuals massed together (as in a race)
        b : wolf pack

        That you chose dogs as your “pack”????????

        “functional illiteracy” is treatable????????? So is “ignorance”????????

        “willfull ignorance”……….terminal!!!!!!!

      • GALT

        I know you have Vicki……..as a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”,
        what else could you ( all ) possibly DO?

        Your condition makes any intelligent response or argument by you, impossible.

        Since you are, for some reason “compelled to respond”, you simply
        keep providing evidence of “your condition”………

        DavidH is a “special case”…..he is being hunted…….he has been given
        the conditions to either avoid this or alter this………

        You are irrelevant……..but that is your choice……as you can see you can be
        put to use………

  • adrianvance

    Romney stupidly tried to sell “hard work” to young people who only dream of fame-and-fortune. He should have told them “Free enterprise is the only place dreams happen!”

    Come see us at The Two Minute Conservative, http://tinyurl.com/7jgh7wv and when you speak ladies will swoon and liberal gentlemen will weep.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Flashy: 2013 will see the return of common sense Mr. Livingston. Common sense in gun control. Common sense in economic affairs, common sense in social mores and integration of the classes, and common sense in civility (OK..that last may take awhile longer as the extremists won’t take being slapped down without crying)

    Common sense will rule 2013 Mr. Livingston…not insanity and calling for destruction of this nation…

    Another words, the second verse shall played same as the first! This will make wall-street and the big-banks exceedingly-glad, and will surely concur in unison, that this is indeed, the appropriate, common-sense approach for 2013! Their “pride and joy” failed them not, in his first-term, and the “installation” has made it clear that, 2013, will be business as usual, as the most recent plunder of the middle-class referred to as, “fiscal cliff deal”, confirms!

    Can’t you just picture the big smile on the face of the corporate/elite knowing they have a “sure-thing” in the current white-house occupant, Flashy?

    • Flashy

      That’s why Elizabeth Warren was supported. BTW..with no campaigning left to do, and the backstabbing that Wall Street did … ya really think they’re gonna go scot free ?

      Given the movement in directing the report on Too big To Fail and whether banks need broken up to be smaller and less of a danger to our economic well being, I think this next term will be different.

      Betchya the GOP will do everything they can to thwart any such move…

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Flashy: That’s why Elizabeth Warren was supported. BTW..with no campaigning left to do, and the backstabbing that Wall Street did … ya really think they’re gonna go scot free ?

        Yes!

        Flashy: Given the movement in directing the report on Too big To Fail and whether banks need broken up to be smaller and less of a danger to our economic well being, I think this next term will be different.

        I doubt it! I think the first term was an indication of what we can expect in the second. That being; favouritism of wall-street and rapacious zombie bankers! Take the “fraud-closures” as an example. Even in the final phase of the election, with defeat staring him squarely in the face, Obama proved unable to embrace a golden opportunity offered by the fore-closure crisis. With the bankers using clearly illegal means to steal the homes of Americans, Obama’s thoughts were always with his masters in Wall Street. Other Democrats were not as incorrigibly stupid as Obama: Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Chris Van Hollen, Alan Grayson, Governor Martin O’Malley of Maryland, plus virtually the entire Black Caucus were calling for a freeze on foreclosures. Obama could have made a dramatic Oval Office speech demanding an open-ended halt to these illegal seizures, and he could have tasked Elizabeth Warren with finding some technicality in the new Fin Reg law to make this possible. Failing that, he could have used the Trading with the Enemy Act or the Defense Production Act.

        Instead, the feckless Obama sent out the sleazy and slimy David Axelrod to signal that this was an administration committed to the needs of predatory lenders and zombie bankers, not the American people!

      • Flashy

        ” Obama could have made a dramatic Oval Office speech demanding an open-ended halt to these illegal seizures” WTS

        OK….I’m wondering. What is illegal about a mortgage and foreclosing on the security when the note is defaulted?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        About 150,000 new foreclosure suits were filed nationwide in January 2009, the month Obama took office. They peaked at 203,948 in April 2009 and didn’t dip below 100,000 in a single month until April 2011. And last month, another 97,000 new foreclosures were filed. Crossroads cites the high rate of underwater mortgages as evidence that Obama’s programs failed. In early 2008, the number of underwater homes was estimated at 9 million. RealtyTrac says the current total is 12 million, or 28 percent of all mortgages. Yes, Flashy, Obama’s loyalties are clearly visible, wouldn’t you say?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Flashy: OK….I’m wondering. What is illegal about a mortgage and foreclosing on the security when the note is defaulted?

        In principle, there is nothing wrong or illegal about a mortgage and foreclosing on the security when the note is defaulted. But the lifting of the major banks’ “foreclosure moratoriums”, which had been instituted to investigate the alleged massive-fraudt in the processing of foreclosure documents surely was, wrong and illegal! The federal government having essentially nationalized the mortgage industry, the president had the authority to insist that such a moratorium should stand until the “fraud” was dealt with.

        Bank of America on Oct. 18/2009 announced its intent to resume foreclosures in the 23 states which have judicial foreclosures. BOA had suspended foreclosures in those states on Oct.1/2009 due to revelations of fraud in the processing of foreclosure documents. BOA also announced it would resume foreclosures in a few weeks in the remaining 27 states. This move encouraged JP Morgan Chase and GMAC, who had similarly suspended foreclosures in the 23 judicial foreclosure states, to resume taking people’s homes. Barbara J. Desoer, president of Bank of America Home Loans, stated, “We did a thorough review of the process and we found the facts underlying the decision to foreclose have been accurate. We paused while we were doing that, and now we’re moving forward.” While even bourgeois commentators treated this announcement with the cynicism and derision it deserved, Bank of America was emboldened to make this move with the backing of the federal government.

        From the onset of the exposure of massive bank fraud, the Obama administration has opposed any calls for a national moratorium on foreclosures. When David Axlerod, President Barack Obama’s chief advisor, appeared on CBS’s “Face the Nation” Oct. 10/2009, he came out against a national moratorium. He was followed by Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan, who published an article Oct. 17/2009 in the Huffington Post that also rejected calls for a national moratorium, saying it would hurt the economy.

        Bank of America noted that the major holders of its mortgages, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, had been consulted during the review and had signed off on the decision to resume foreclosures. Of 14 million mortgages BOA services, one-half of them — worth $2.1 trillion — are owned by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the giant mortgage holding companies controlled by the U.S. Treasury. (NYT, Oct. 18)

        Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were formerly government-sponsored enterprises, private corporations chartered by the federal government to give them enhanced standing to buy or back up mortgage loans. However, in July 2008 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taken over by the federal government due to massive losses they incurred as a result of the record rise in foreclosures caused by the fraudulent and predatory lending practices of the banks. The federal government placed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in trusteeship under the Federal Housing Finance Administration, guaranteeing up to $200 billion in federal tax dollars to back up their loans.That figure was raised to $400 billion, and is now uncapped.

        According to a June 3, 2009, statement by FHFA Director James Lockhart, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac own or guarantee 56 percent of single-family mortgages worth $5.4 trillion in the U.S. When combined with the Federal Housing Administration, the federal government backs or issues a whopping 75 percent of the country’s mortgages. (Associated Press, Sept. 9, 2008)

        What this means is that when a borrower goes into foreclosure, the bank which made the loan gets paid off at the loan’s full value by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. In addition, the government pays the bank to process the foreclosure. Then the government takes over the home, evicts the homeowner and any tenants, places the home on the market, and sells it at a fraction of the loan’s value.

        The difference in what the government paid the bank for the loan, and what the home sells for after foreclosure and eviction, is paid for by taxpayers. That arrangement amounts to a silent bailout of the banks.

        For example, a home in Detroit sold for $137,000 in 2001. The home was then foreclosed and the loan was taken over by Fannie Mae. The home is now being listed by Fannie Mae for $31,000. The $99,000 difference between the $130,000 still owed on the home for which the bank received full value, and the $31,000 for which Fannie Mae is selling the home, is paid for out of taxpayer funds.

        This bailout to the banks, which occurs with virtually every foreclosure, has already amounted to $145 billion.

        While the FHFA estimated that the total cost of this bailout will be $221 to $363 billion, in 2009 the Congressional Budget Office estimated that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would require $389 billion in federal subsidies through 2019. (Bloomberg News, Oct. 21)

        Barclays Capital Inc. analysts put the price tag as high as $500 billion, and Sean Egan, president of Egan-Jones Ratings Co., estimated that the total taxpayer bailout to the banks through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will total $1 trillion. (BN, June 13)

        These figures do not include the additional hundreds of millions of dollars in federal
        subsidies on FHA-backed loans.

        And still, Flashy asks: OK….I’m wondering. What is illegal about a mortgage and foreclosing on the security when the note is defaulted?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Flashy says, ” … ya really think they’re gonna go scot free ?” and “Betchya the GOP will do everything they can to thwart any such move…”

        It certainly looks like they may go “scot free” and of course the GOP will do everything they can to thwart” any attempts at proper regulation and accountability for the financial sector.

        Unfortunately, they will have plenty of help from the bought and paid for Dems. Let’s hope that O’Bama and the few remaining patriots in congress do something in the next four years—-I’m not ready to give up on them yet—-the next few months will be telling.

        As far as what JAY has said here, he is telling truth in just about all of it. It appears that the JAY that appeared in the interval between the “old JAY” of “CO2 is good for you” and the “new old JAY” of the DaveH-JAY-JeffH-Kate8 coalition has decided to make an appearance—-hope this “in between JAY” sticks around for a while.

  • Chuck S

    I think the conservatives in congress should have press conferences and the like – even if – especially if – they disagree with the republican leadership. Even those who voted for the last abomination should be publicly saying they held their noses when they voted for it – that the dems offered them the frying pan or the fire.

    I also think conservatives like Bob Livingston and talk radio hosts should meet with the Koch brothers and other conservative superpacers to come up with good, salable ads on a few key issues that are very effective and logical to a lot of people. I like my slogan – “Democrats tax and regulate your jobs away.” Rush had a very good phrase for a particular issue of “Standard English is the road to success.” This is good – short, self explanatory.

    I think billboards are a good medium – should have a short message and an easy to remember website – like heritage.org.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Chuck S,

      You write: “I also think conservatives like Bob Livingston and talk radio hosts should meet with the Koch brothers and other conservative superpacers to come up with good, salable ads on a few key issues that are very effective and logical to a lot of people.” Most of the goals of the Koch brothers are diametrically opposed to mine. They are part of the corporatocracy. They have corrupted what was once a good, libertarian, laissez fairre capitalism site, Cato, and turned it into just another neocon/Keynesian mouthpiece.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • DaveH

        Cato Institute has always struck me as being middle-of-the-road Libertarians who are afraid to speak too honestly about Big Government for fear of getting their Press Passes taken away.
        But they’re certainly better than many of the other information alternatives.

      • GALT

        Really? wow, sucking up are we?

        The irony being that, despite that attempted “intellectual flailing” that Mr. Livingston
        has stated today that he is NOT a “libertarian”………..

        and you have no clue what you are……….nor does anyone else…..

        YOU need to be IGNORED……..SHUNNED!!!!!!

        That is so religiously cool, don’t you think?

        Sorry……I just got carried away with that “thinking” thing?

      • DaveH

        Galt,
        If your thinking could carry you anywhere, it would be to the bathroom where you could relieve yourself in a more considerate manner.

      • GALT

        I think I got it……..a pattern.

        Functional illiterate see’s word, word takes hold, moronic mind churn’s furiously…..

        wait for it……wait for it……..moron uses word in sentence……….tick, tick, tick,,,,,,

        and then returns, desperately to his glory days of scatalogical fame amongst

        his peers, when he could really laugh.

      • JC

        GALT says:
        January 4, 2013 at 6:19 pm
        Really? wow, sucking up are we?

        The irony being that, despite that attempted “intellectual flailing” that Mr. Livingston
        has stated today that he is NOT a “libertarian”………..

        and you have no clue what you are……….nor does anyone else…..

        YOU need to be IGNORED……..SHUNNED!!!!!!

        That is so religiously cool, don’t you think?

        Sorry……I just got carried away with that “thinking” thing?

        _____________________________________________________________________

        Galt your absolutely right. You need to ignore us.
        You couldn’t possibly be a more obnoxious excuse for a human being…but I know you’re trying. ;-)

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Bob, ignoring DaveH’s typical mindlessness (as shown in “But they’re (Cato) certainly better than many of the other information alternatives), I wonder if you would explain what you mean by “neocon/Keynesian”?

        And considering that you have spoken truth about what the Koch brothers have done to the Cato Institute, would you care to share your thoughts on the Heritage folks as well?

        PS to DaveH—-are you aware of the shared history of Von Mises/Rothbard/Cato? Some interesting twists and turns there.

      • GALT

        JC you are being ignored………continual demonstrations of “willfully ignorant, functional
        illiteracy”……..do not indicate that the “person” being exposed is being paid attention to.

        Why would anyone have to pay attention to them……?

        Of course being a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”, does explain why you are
        confused………

  • SarahR

    To Flashy. President Obama received 62 million votes; 11% less than he got in 2008. He’s slipping in popularity. Romney ended up with 3.3 million fewer votes than the president. That is not a mandate. 71% of the Latinos voted for Obama. American families earning less than $30,000 a year broke big for the president, 62% to 35%. These voters were low information, non-educated people who only wanted handouts. You must be one. Two things were confirmed by this election: left-wing ideology did not win and big spending on federal programs did. Romney won where it counted, white males and independents. Oh, and by the way, if you work I guess you noticed that your paycheck has a lot less money in it even though your president swore taxes would not go up. Wait until ObamaTax hits you. Twenty one new taxes are in ObamaTax. How’s that working out for ya?

    • DaveH

      There is very little doubt that Flashman is a shill who is here to disrupt the board. Like this guy:
      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread826545/pg1&addstar=1&on=13829871#pid13829871

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Flashy is not stupid. He obviously has some intelligence. Why is it that he ludicrously supports President Obama even though Obama has so thoroughly sold out the progressives in EVERYTHING? So what do you make of a guy who is obviously intelligent and supposedly a progressive, and supposedly politically involved who absolutely refuses to accept the fact that Obama is a total sellout and a Wall Street puppet, completely the same as any Republican that Flashy would be quick to ridicule?

        Flashy makes no mention of Obama’s inaction on Wall Street prosecution. Flashy makes no mention of Obama’s deficit commission and their recommendations to attack Social Security and other so-called “entitlement” programs. Flashy makes no mention of Obama’s own efforts to feed money to banks and Wall Street while doing nothing to address systemic crises in this country and the states. Flashy makes no comment on Obama’s sellouts on the budget and how he is so ready to attack programs that aid children and families and cut nothing that would affect the “untouchable” elites and super rich. Flashy will only say that Obama is “wimpy” for selling out on the tax breaks extension for the rich.

        There’s a pattern here. Any intelligent person can see the pattern here. Therefore what is one to make of Flashy?

        The answer is that Flashy is a shill and a cheerleader for the so-called progressive movement in this country while continuing to try and paint Obama as a real progressive that just has a few “faults” and if we just give Obama enough time and support he will “come through”. It’s a psychological operation, whether witting or unwitting, on the part of Flashy himself.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        It appears that DaveH is going to throw this link at us on every thread. That makes it necessary to follow him around like the cleanup crew that follows a parade and deals with the horsepucky left in the streets. Here is a comment made in rebuttal to the tag team of DaveH, JAY, and Kate8 when this link was last brought up. It is no less valid today than it was yesterday when first posted. I said:

        DaveH provides us with a wonderful link, one that goes nicely with the “Manual for Trolls” that JeffH posted on another thread some weeks ago (and I have tried to repost that comment two or three times since but it keeps getting “moderated” into oblivion). Dare I try again? Perhaps I will post it separately if this comment is not “disappeared”. (I did—twice—and it wouldn’t “take”)

        I recommend Dave’s link to all—-http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread826545/pg1&addstar=1&on=13829871#pid13829871—-quite illuminating.

        Kate8 agrees wholeheartedly with me, because she says, “That link is a real doozy, DaveH. Great find. Everyone needs to read this. It explains eddie, flush, Robert Smith and most of the others, including Karolyn, who attempts to befriend rather than smear most of the time. But that is just another of their tactics”.

        “As the article states, these shills don’t really know much about any of the things they post about. They are just following a formula. It’s easy to push ideas you don’t even care about anyway, so being absurd is not a problem for them. And they seem to enjoy being [expletive deleted]”

        “I say we just call them all out. They’ve become really tiresome, and they aren’t even legitimate posters. There are some days when I see some of those names and I just don’t bother being here at all”

        My old school administrator’s “crap detectors” started to vibrate as I began to read the second paragraph of Kate’s little essay, and were buzzing madly by the time I finished it. Her third paragraph lit them up even more.

        One of the characteristics of a “right brain thinker” in the sense that I use the term is the ability to gather in large quantities of data and perceive connections and patterns within. The same kind of mental processing that made me good at doing master schedules for high schools—-taking the class requests of several thousand students and the preferences of a couple hundred teachers, and fitting them into a seven period day in a given number of rooms in the school. We had some help from computer programs in trying things out in what we called “simulated schedule runs”, but anyone who couldn’t visualize the “puzzle” in their head was on a long hard journey and likely to need outside assistance before they built a good schedule.

        Why do I bore you with all that, you ask? Because I am starting to firm up something that has been at the back of my consciousness for some time—-a pattern—a vision of Matryoshka or Babushka dolls—-those Russian nesting dolls. Combined with the fun house hall of mirrors where reflections bounce back on reflections.

        Whatever is he talking about?, you may ask. Go back and read Kate’s essay and ask yourself—-”Where better place for a bunch of shills/trolls to hide but in plain sight? What better way to throw off suspicion than to “spill the beans” about how they operate and tell everyone?”. And the REALLY clever thing is to do this while pretending that you’re talking ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE, as Kate has done.

        Well, Kate let ME call YOU out on this—-EVERYTHING you have said is far more descriptive of you, DaveH, JeffH, and the “new” WTS/JAY than it is of eddie, flash, robert, Karolyn, or “most of the others” (unspecified). Nice try, but you’ve convinced me that you, Dave, Jeff, and the “new” Jay are “coworkers” and draw paychecks signed by the same person, whoever that may be.

        DaveH also says, “Poor, innocent, dishonest Jeremy”, which makes my crap detectors tingle also. Jeremy appears to me to be dishonest only to himself, in that he puts up with all the crap he does in an attempt to “reason” with the “unreasonable”. He is certainly giving the impression of being “innocent”, and painfully so. Jeremy reinforces that impression by saying, “Dave once again you return to an accusation and declare it to be proof. I am not a shill. I do not come on here with others. I come on here to state my genuine opinions. I am not crying poor innocent me. I am simple pointing out I am innocent of what Mr. Livingston is accusing me of”.

        When I peer into the reflecting reflections of the dolls within dolls, I can even see Jeremy as part of the crew—-what better way to keep things stirred up than to have your own “lib-prog” whipping boy on board? I hope I haven’t hurt your feelings because it appears that I am accusing you, Jeremy, but you need to take the advice of an old man and think about your “place” on PLD and how it can be perceived.

        So, Kate, I agree wholeheartedly with you when you say, “I say we just call them all out. They’ve become really tiresome, and they aren’t even legitimate posters. There are some days when I see some of those names and I just don’t bother being here at all” That’s EXACTLY how I feel about your cronies, and you ARE becoming “really tiresome” to those of us who do NOT play games with the truth on this site as you do. (Although I will grant that this little trick you attempted WAS more clever than most of your attempts)

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WTS/JAY goes a bit over the top in attacking Flash.

        “O’Bama has so thoroughly sold out the progressives in EVERYTHING?” says JAY.
        “O’Bama is a total sellout and a Wall Street puppet, COMPLETELY the same as any Republican that Flashy would be quick to ridicule?”, says JAY.
        “O’Bama’s sellouts on the budget and how he is so ready to attack programs that aid children and families and cut nothing that would affect the “untouchable” elites and super rich”, says JAY.

        BIG overreach with all of those statements, JAY. You need not go so far to point out that O’Bama is not perfect when so many here are ready to think the worst of him 100% of the time. Fact of the matter is that O’Bama is all we’ve got for now and we can only “hope” that more “change” will come in his second term. I’m with Flash on that.

        The real reason I’ve replied to you is the statement that “Flashy is a shill and a cheerleader for the so-called progressive movement in this country”. YOU and YOUR COHORTS are the ones that are “shills” and are engaged in “a psychological operation”. Your game is quite transparent and obvious to all who take the time to think about it. See my previous comment in response to DaveH’s posting of the “Shill Files” link.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT: YOU and YOUR COHORTS are the ones that are “shills” and are engaged in “a psychological operation”.

        What “psychological” operation would that be, RBT? As far as me and my “cohorts” are concerned, we made it plain enough that we support neither party, and that a thorough house-cleaning of both, Congress and Senate is in order! You, on the other-hand, agree that the political-machine is corrupt, through and through, and yet maintain, as does your cohort Flashy, that the Obama administration is somehow “above it all”, untainted, corrupt-free and will make things right, despite the evidence to the contrary.

        Schizophrenic much, RBT? Or is it a rather severe-case of “Cognitive-Dissonance” that you are unconsciously displaying?

      • Mike in MI

        Wrong Brain Thinker -
        Nice shot in the dark at some brightly lit and stable targets. I’ve been visiting this site for quite a few years. Some of the wonderful folks you try to trash were here before I was aware of Mr. Livingston’s more than gracious (‘specially in your case) offering of a place to get some really valuable information and insights.
        These folks you attack were here regularly and generously long before Obama started purchasing his propaganda pukes who add the atmosphere, they bring with them, of a settling pond. If you only knew how easy it is to detect your operation and intents.
        But we won’t tell your pimps or your johns – after all you’re a “working” liberal. And that’s got to be a wondrous thing.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WTS/JAY again shows his skill at twisting truth and attempting to put words in people’s mouths so that he can then try shoot them down over something they never said—-nice trick, JAY, IF you can get away with it.

        You ask, “What “psychological” operation would that be, RBT?” As anyone who has read this string of messages knows, it’s the “psy-op” that YOU accused Flashy of conducting. Do you recall saying “Flashy is a shill and a cheerleader for the so-called progressive movement in this country” and using the words “psychological operation” to describe that? Go back and read your own words and remember that I said “Your game is quite transparent and obvious to all who take the time to think about it”. .

        Here is a classic example of you putting words in people’s mouths, Jay. You said,
        “You, on the other-hand, agree that the political-machine is corrupt, through and through, and yet maintain, as does your cohort Flashy, that the Obama administration is somehow “above it all”, untainted, corrupt-free and will make things right, despite the evidence to the contrary”. I’m not going to speak for Flashy, but that is an outright lie as far as what I have said. I have NEVER said that the the political machine is corrupt through and through, or the O’Bama administration was “above it all” and corrupt-free or would make things right—-what I HAVE said is that it is far more likely that they will do better things for the country than the R&R team and the Repugs would have and are now doing. BIG difference. Take your straw man down and use him to soak up horsepucky in the stables, JAY.

        And your comment “Schizophrenic much, RBT? Or is it a rather severe-case of “Cognitive-Dissonance” that you are unconsciously displaying?” is not even worthy of much comment, JAY. YOU are the one displaying the schizoid tendencies here, not me. Who ARE you? The “old” WTS(JAY), the “new old” WTS/JAY, the “in between new and old” JAY—-I have pointed out to you for many days now on separate threads that you are “fragmenting”. This latest comment shows that.

        And the comment directed to Wrong Brain Thinker by some fool who thinks it’s cute to not use proper “handles”? As if not using mine is going to get my goat? LOL EVERY TIME some fool does that is proof that I have gotten THEIR goat and they can’t find anything more intelligent to express their distress.

        Nice suck up, too—maybe Mr. Livingston will give you one of those $99.95 books (marked down a bit lately) as a reward for your “loyalty”. I haven’t been visiting the site very long but “wonderful folks” seem to be in short supply. I would appreciate it if you would list them out for me by name so that I do not inadvertently “trash them” by pointing out their failings to them. Is DAveH one of them?

        And I suppose that this comment proves that you are a “wonderful and generous” person yourself? You sure fooled me—-sounds more like the words of a self-deluded and ignorant O’Bama hater to me. Or maybe you’re just a closed-minded “conservative” that thinks tearing down the country is somehow saving it?

        “These folks you attack were here regularly and generously long before Obama started purchasing his propaganda pukes who add the atmosphere, they bring with them, of a settling pond. If you only knew how easy it is to detect your operation and intents. But we won’t tell your pimps or your johns – after all you’re a “working” liberal. And that’s got to be a wondrous thing”.

  • ONTIME

    Ladies and Gents,

    There is a rather unnerving set of circumstances that are proving out as we move into our uncertain future in this nation. Our once free elections, where the pride of one man one vote was the point of voicing your free speech and opinion is now and will be in the next election, in the hands of “HE” who counts the votes, no questions asked, no recourse, NO Representation.

    The health scare scam is one huge tax law that carries a death panel decision, I fear that free speech will become a disease to use to condemn you by a government we cannot control. The act destroys free enterprise, inalienable rights and the pursuit of happiness. The government says, you have a “right” to abortion but then encourages welfare births as if it were a pimp…the moral compass has spun out of control, we now are subject to a politburro and a despot..

    What I am saying is that WTP are paying a stalwart price for our diminishing representation..that is not good for a inherited Representative Republic that we were told to fight for…

  • http://midcontent rannge rider

    Keep voting for the socialist/marxist demorat party, and everyone will be getting free food , health care, housing and a steady job, and a college degree. The job will be picking cotton or any brain dead job, The free health care will be plenty of water and all the Tynal you can take, unless a of hand picked friends of UN dictators on a panel of drug heads that needs your meds. The mandated approved food will be all the pound dogs and cats that have been reconstituted in to hot dogs and kitty,burgers, holidays you will get a rack of St. Benard or the choice of a roasted Pussy and a half of rat, all organically raised. Greenery will be any weeds or roots you can dig up. Since oil will not be used, all the oil tank farms will be converted in to round housing, so everyone can be confused when told to use the bathroom, the one in the corrner, no corners because it is a round tank. Your college degree be received after coming out of the reeducation camp’ will be printed on a square of toilet paper, After you have learned stick your rear in the air and shag the rug. Also learned in the special education center to say, ” I’ll not question the great idoit who is the head master and, who thinks that they know what is best for everyone” You know the one in the WH, (Whore House on a Hill), the idoit that was a drug dealer/user, and always lived off of someone else. Your housing prefab double walled card board, packing box. Last but not least a supervisors and bosses from the WH on down will be congential liars and pervert, the more abhorrant behavior the high in theparty you will rise in the group of pervs. All heiarcky must lie at least 6 times an hour, have not a principile, or and standrads, and morals of a dog, ordor of a goat, and will no loyality to any one, even family There you have the the neesed qualififacations to be a socialist/communist democrat!

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Pretty good article, Bob, once one strips out the obligatory anti-O’Bama horsepucky.

    The language is somewhat “formal”, but Bob is dead on target when he says, “People with system blinders on cannot see the axiom that, “things that are equal to the same thing are equal to each other.” If there are two politicians each under different party labels but upon objective analysis they have the same philosophy and the approximate voting record, they are the same in reality”.

    Bob also says, “This transfer of wealth cannot be hidden and cannot go unnoticed. Even the ever-sleeping, beer-swilling, “Monday Night Football”-“Here Comes Honey Boo Boo”-“American Idol”-watching crowd will notice their paychecks are smaller and begin to inquire as to why”.

    I’d like to believe that, Bob, but “paychecks” for the 99% have been getting “smaller” for 30+ years now and people don’t seem to have noticed a whole lot during that time.

    For instance, look at the figures for 1982. The richest 400 families in America owned $92,000,000,000, but by 1995 this had jumped to $480,000,000,000, a 520% increase. In the 90’s, the wealth of the S&P 500 corporations had increased by 335%, and the Dow Jones average had gone up by 400% between 1980 and 1995 while the average wage of workers had DECLINED in purchasing power by 15 percent. In 1998, one of every three working people had jobs paying at or below the poverty level. (from Zinn’s “People’s History of the U.S.”)

    Jumping ahead to today, the picture doesn’t look any better.

    The latest census figures (2011) show that a record number of Americans, nearly one out of two, are either in poverty or barely getting by on earnings that put them in the “low income” category.

    The poverty rate spiked to 15+% in 2010, the fourth straight year of increase, with 46.2 million Americans in poverty (including one of every 5 kids), and one out of every seven households didn’t have enough food to put on the table (as evidenced by the increase in SNAP participation and food bank activity).

    The number of people living in poverty is now at the highest level in the 52 years we have kept such records. The median household income fell by 2.3% between ’09 and ’10, with the worst-off 10 percent seeing a decline of 12.1%

    And the poverty rate is increasing faster in the suburbs than anywhere else in the country. For the first time ever, there were 2.7 million more suburban households below the poverty line than city households, and that number has shown a 53% increase over the past decade.

    Some other figures of interest: (from the work of David Degraw, published in 2011)

    Overall, the richest 400 people in America possess as much money as the bottom 50% combined (that’s 155 million people)

    Note that the six Waltons alone, heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune, are on the “top 400” list and have a combined worth of almost $70 billion, which calculates out to the total wealth of the bottom 30 million Americans

    The top tax bracket for income starts at $50,000,000 and up…only 74 Americans were in that group. In 2008, their average income was $91.2 million, but in 2009 that soared to $518.8 million each, a 570% increase. And that during a time when middle class incomes were dropping rapidly.

    Did anyone notice all this and begin to “inquire as to why”? Some did, some didn’t. Those who sent the Tea Party obstructionists to Congress in 2010 obviously didn’t—they drank all the “cut spending—starve government—cut the taxes of the “job creators”—trickle down works” koolaid that the lackeys of the plutocracy and corporate oligarchy poured out for them. Don’t forget the topping on the koolaid—the “America is the land of opportunity—anyone can get rich if they work hard—it’s just class warfare” horsepucky that seems so convincing to the ignorant.

    Those who voted against Romney perhaps did ask themselves “why?” and rejected the Repugs yet again because they have figured things out a bit. That trend of “figuring things out” is likely to continue, especially if the Repugs are foolish enough to double down and do a W.A.R on us with the “sure bet” of getting even “more conservative” and “going back to basics”.

    That still doesn’t solve the problem, because as Bob points out, The DemoCrips and ReBloodLicans (read Jess Ventura’s book of that title) offer us no real choice. If O’Bama and the remaining Dems who are not bought and paid for shills for the special interests don’t get it together in the next four years and really start to move things “forward”, the country is in for very hard times.

    • Mike in MI

      Mesencephalon Brain Processor
      Almost all of the statistics, changes and negative developments you cite are very much directly attributable to the programs, economic impoverishment and government growth planned and instituted by liberal/progressive idolaters who had control of the spigots in the House of Reprehensibles in Washington, DC from the time of LBJ to the mid-90′s, and from 2006 to today

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Mike in MI uses, “Mesencephalon Brain Processor” as a greeting. What the heck ARE you talking about, Mike? Are you trying to use “midbrain” (the more general term for mesencephalon), as some sort of “play on words” to show that you can look up brain parts and find one that’s between “right” and “left”? What? Lots of others on PLD have “looked things up” on Brains’R’Us, and none of them met with any more success than you. Stick with the simple name calling like DaveH if you’re not willing to really educate yourself on “brains”.

        Anyone who makes the following statement needs to get educated on many things, the first of which is to stop drinking the right wing koolaid (and “house of reprehensibles” is SO cute). I am glad that you DID say “almost all” and “very much directly attributable”, though. Shows that you have an “open mind”. LOL And if you reply to this, please explain the thinking behind how “directly attributable” needed to be qualified by “very much”—-are you saying that there were OTHER things that we could directly attribute the “bad things” to? (to what degree?, i.e., how much?) Maybe like what the plutocracy and the corporate oligarchy have been working on since LBJ’s time? (At least you got that much right—I refer to the time line—although Ike saw it starting and commented on it as he left office, and he predates LBJ).

        “Almost all of the statistics, changes and negative developments you cite are very much directly attributable to the programs, economic impoverishment and government growth planned and instituted by liberal/progressive idolaters who had control of the spigots in the House of Reprehensibles in Washington, DC from the time of LBJ to the mid-90′s, and from 2006 to today”

  • Gary Belote

    Flashy
    All of the House members were re-elected this year. Since the majority were Republican do they have a mandate too? As I recall our Gov’t is made up of 3 co-equal branches and
    Obozo was not elected King. All the polls say “cut spending”. How about Congress doing something responsible like obeying the peoples will.

    • jopa

      Gary B;All this talk about mandates, I wonder if Senator Larry Craig(R) has scored a mandate yet now that he is retired.He’s probably toe tapping in his local airport now since he can’t fly around on our dime.

  • jopa

    Well folks I think it’s time to take down the Ron Paul and Romney signs, you may be scaring your neighbors.Just get it into your head that the majority of the electorate chose President Obama for another four year term and he is doing a fine job with a 63% favor ability rating.We should all stand behind our great leader and make this country as great as it was during the Clinton years.Never ever forget what happened when the Republicans last ran the country with terrorist attacks with airplanes on our Homeland, the bank failures, we almost lost our most precious auto industry, guys like Bernie Madoff free to run Ponzi schemes without regulation and just about causing a financial collapse worldwide.I know you don’t like the reminders of the Dick Chaney and Tator Bush era but we must remember so as not to repeat that black moment in American history with torture chambers, wars being started around the world and for what?

  • Dad

    I, for one, do not have to be convinced. I ripped my Senators a new one… suggest you send your emails as well.

    • jopa

      Dad ;Washington doesn’t work that way.The only way they will listen to you is stuff an envelope with cash for their re election campaign.No less than $10,000 Please.

  • Terry Bateman

    O.K. Bob, i get it. You want to end Social Security as we know it and for that reason
    will give no opinion on keeping it solvent. I want to maintain and improve Social
    Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Chips, so we can just disagree on that issue. To
    answer the question why would I want a ponzi scheme that steals money from paychecks
    to continue is this:

    I am not going to let republicans, libertarians, or anybody else end the social programs
    Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Chips THAT MADE AMERICA GREAT.

Bottom
close[X]

Sign Up For Personal Liberty Digest™!

PL Badge

Welcome to PersonalLiberty.com,
America's #1 Source for Libertarian News!

To join our group of freedom-loving individuals and to get alerts as well as late-breaking conservative news from Personal Liberty Digest™...

Privacy PolicyYou can opt out at any time. We protect your information like a mother hen. We will not sell or rent your email address to anyone for any reason.