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The First Step To Solving A Problem…

June 24, 2010 by  

The First Step To Solving A Problem…

With the recent announcement by the Obama Administration that a Federal lawsuit targeting Arizona’s enormously popular immigration law is nigh, the transparency of the left’s opposition to Arizona’s SB1070 has been made manifest.

During his administration, President Bush talked tough on illegal immigration, but did very little to curb it. President Obama is now going one step further… doing very little to curb illegal immigration while talking tough on those who plan to. Obama seems more interested in developing some kind of Federalized Internal Affairs Division, searching for crime while ignoring the criminals.

The President is trying to recast the debate. It’s entirely reasonable to examine his reasons.

Most of the realities regarding illegal immigration are patently obvious. Virtually untraceable labor pools operating outside the law mean unemployed taxpayers and strained social services. Virtually untraceable routes into the United States mean endangered taxpayers and… strained social and law enforcement services—the presence of abandoned prayer mats along our southern frontier doesn’t mean the coyotes are developing an interest in yoga. A President bent on obfuscating both the latter and former by accusing his opposition of everything short of a return to Jim Crow is the worst of kind of political gamesmanship.

It’s well known that Arizona’s new law—set to take effect late next month—is nothing more than a state asserting responsibility abdicated by the Feds. One would presume most LEGAL citizens would be overjoyed to see a state willing to step in where the Feds are standing down. In fact, SB 1070 is similar not only to 8 U.S. Code Sections 1304 and 1306, but shockingly—CALIFORNIA Penal Code section 834b. The fact that the Brotherhood of Undocumented Onion Pickers has yet to march on Sacramento belies the political realities. The President can hardly risk torpedoing his fellow travelers Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer by allowing his jackbooted legal legions to extend their L.A. Law redux into the Land of La Raza.

To be fair, the broad-based support for SB 1070 doesn’t necessarily prove the quality of the legislation. I could get 70 percent approval for legislation which would constitute extraordinarily bad thinking: Free BMWs for everyone! Federally subsidized beer purchases! National Throw Something Heavy at Keith Olbermann Day!

OK—that last one has real merit.

The problem we have now is that the majority is right. But the majority lacks power. In the worst kind of twist of fate, the minority has the juice to (to paraphrase Interior Secretary Ken Salazar)—step on the neck of John Q. Public.

And the Feds are going straight to the courts to shop for the appropriate neck-breaking footwear. There’s already a class-action lawsuit in Federal court seeking to halt SB 1070. A rogue’s gallery of left-wing groups with close ties to the current administration is challenging Arizona’s endeavors: the ACLU, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Network, the NAACP, the National Day Laborer Organizing Network and the—I’m not making this up—Malibu Community Labor Exchange. Makes you wonder who’s delivering chalupas to the guys trimming Mel Gibson’s hedges. At the very least, it’s nice to see the NAACP doing something other than waging jihad on Hallmark greeting cards.

Now the Feds are threatening to bring in the heavy artillery. Talk about rigging the game: if Eric “the red” Holder’s goons-with-briefcases bring the heat to Arizona’s doorstep in a Federal courtroom, the supporters of SB 1070 get to pay the lawyers on both sides. Beyond the obvious Constitutional violations of Federal tinkering with Arizona’s law enforcement—hello 10th Amendment—there’s the more troublesome issue: Obama and his thugs are trying to get us mired in a spurious discussion on race in order to cow us into ignoring a blatant effort to expand his constituency.

Throwing the verbal hand grenade of racism is clever, if only because people on the left will always believe it, and are redoubtable and vital allies for an administration which seems bent on becoming a political exemplar of ham-fisted authority. Labor Secretary Hilda Solis thinks illegals have a “right to fair wages.” Actually, Madam Secretary, illegals have the right to be Mirandized (and in a language other than English, even!)

With Obama telling Senator John Kyl (R-Ariz.) that he’s going to lean into meaningful immigration reform only if amnesty is on the table, he’s drawing the proverbial line in the dust: no enforcement now, no enforcement tomorrow, no enforcement forever.

Or at least until this column is printed en espanol. Vaya con Dios!

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Ginger Ambrosio

    Hey there! I just want to say that I am proud that I know you! (sort of, hahaha) anyway, I was told there was some kind of poll being taken regarding general opinion regarding Arizona’s plan to enforce the law… I don’t see any links. but I am all for ALL of America taking back our country… not just running out obamas’ hordes of slackers (sic).. but ALL of them in office who we elected, trusting they’d be in our best interests and are really just lining their pockets like most all the others. I guess that’s all I want to tell you, I am 67, I remember an America that had respect for God, respect for women and respect for each other… I guess it’s impossible to hope for that anymore, but I still hope for a return to truth. I know, its a BIG dream….
    Ginger Ambrosio

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Ginger Ambrosio,
      Thanks for your interest in our poll. It can be found at http://www.personalliberty.com/poll/immigration-reform/index.php?SC=BEL1185
      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Kim McGough

        Yesterday on Fox they reported Obama’s plan to grant amniesty by executive order, thereby giving all illegals a fast road to citizenship, and tying the hands of congress where they will not have any say in immigration.

    • Joe

      Well Ginger I guess if you are 67 and remember such fond respect in our country then, you must be white and you must have not lived in the south. I am sure the black americans who lived in alabama have different recollections of respect for women and for each other back then. What will your kind remember 67 years from now.

      • Al Sieber

        What the hell are you talking about?

        • rwnut

          Al Sieber….I’ll tell you exactly what the hell he’s talking about. He’s talking about his black racism and hate whitie mentality! It’s the only security blanket he has.

      • bp

        JOE!!! “Your Kind”! Are you kidding me?! We are all Americans and we are all at risk of losing our beloved country as we know it. If you don’t like it, as I’ve said before, your passport is honored almost anywhere in the world. Love the U.S.A. or leave it. I assume you must be black to make such a statement. I say to you, get over yourself! The Chinese also came here without belly-aching or marching in the streets. Yet, there is now a China Town in most cities! They have assimilated and prospered. Why can’t you?! I am sick and tired of your whining, complaining, and “white” hatred. If this makes me a racist, so be it. I’m an AMERICAN first.

        • Smilee

          WOW

          How many Chinese where dragged here and then sold on the auction block??? Very different history with the blacks. I agree with Joe, Oh and I am white

          • Doug

            Not to many they came on their own, their kinfolk did not sell them like the blacks do. And guess what it still goes on today. Believe me if they knew now what generations of some slaves would become they sure as hell would not have done it unless they wanted us to have millions of slackers living off the rest of us who pay taxes. Get a job be your own person and stop being victim!

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/ben-crystal/the-first-step-to-solving-aproblem/?replytocom=156101#respond Bud

            Man you need to read more history if you don’t think the Chinese weren’t prosecuted racially.. and mistreated.. And maybe you should know that in Africa slaves were really treated harshly by other black slave owners.. slavery and racism is bad in any form.. by any race.. this era was a bad mark on our history as was expansion to the west and taking the native American land and mistreating them.. look at the history of other lands & cultures.. you will see injustice, slavery and slaughter of some kind in EVERY one!

          • marvin

            Smilee your history is of a little black people kidnaped black people and sold them to the european traiders,far as i know my kind the red man owened this whole demn country were they murdered and raped and enslaved you bet can i change that hell no were blacks mistreated you bet have i ever mistreated a black or for that matter anyone not on purpose you have uneducated simpletons in all races so stop being lost in the sixty we have more trouble now, we have a money and power hunger liberal dembocrat, obama,that is acting like a 2 year old by saying if you in the repub party won,t vote for amnesty i won,t close the border and is talking of an ex order to grant amnesty to 20 million illegals their for by passing congress and the american people trouble with a liberal is they will keep spending your money as long as you let them, i will have to say carter he is no longer the dumbest over reaching big goverment loving, hate the poor stuped american citizen power grabber in modern history el pres obama wins hands down

          • bp

            Smilee; My point EXACTLY!!! :-)

          • JeffH

            Smilee always return with a flair for the dramatic…as if waiting for it’s spot of return, the race baiting has begun!

            Way to go…NOT!

          • DaveH

            First of all Smilee, I don’t believe you are white. Sorry, but I don’t believe much of what Liberals say, unless they can back it up.

            Yes, Slavery is wrong. So, tell me why do you stump for a party that still believes in it? Slavery, Theft, and Taking other peoples’ money against their will are all pretty much the same thing. It took time to earn that money. Even the southern slaves of bygone days had time to themselves. They weren’t working 24 hours a day. So, Smilee, before you whine to me that it isn’t the same thing. Tell me how much unwilling labor does a person have to give to cross that magic threshold into being called a slave?

          • Allan

            Why don’t you go to Africa and start harassing blacks for selling blacks? Perhaps you could inform them they are racists as well. There were always two kinds of kids when I grew up. The ones who pointed at others when held accountable, and the ones that actually contribute to society.

          • Claire

            Bud–The Chinese were abused way back then. Now look at the situation-it has turned around. America is in debt to China.

          • TIME

            Smilee,
            I am black so whats your point? The Chinese were killed after they built the brailroads by the “UNION Leaders” who encited the mass of Unions workers to kill them why – just for being differant, AKA RACISM and the Progressives WHERE THE ONES WHO GAVE THE ORDER.

            The Japanese by the way I was brought up by an American Japanese family who spent the better part of 3 years in a Holding Camp during WW II, They lost their Home and business to the Progressive FDR who was a 100% Racist.

            When I see you people who have little to no idea what has happened here in this country it makes me sick, you all think that Marxist are all ok, well lets do simple math on the low side.

            The Marxist by the way of the world have killed and exploited no less than 200 Million people. Now thats sick!

            In Africa alone in the 1970 – 1990 the Marxist trainers from Cuba, China and Russia are responsible for the deaths of no less than 20 million Black Afircians, do you here a single word about it on CNN, or MSNBC, or CBS, NO you don’t.

            Or that aids was invented by the Progressives and injected into countless Black Africians to see how fast it could kill the mass’s.
            Evere here anything about that on your nightly news?
            Hell NO you don’t.

            So learn your history and learn not to repete it.

            But if your a Progressive or a Marxist you are not worth the air you breath, And you are the problem not a solution!

          • kate8

            All this constant talk about who was used and abused and when, how and for how long…and how “whitey” now must pay. Like now it’s our time to suffer and the hands of other races.

            Geez, how long must we live in the past. All races are historically guilty of holding slaves, and some still do today! Why does everyone except whites get a pass? Because they don’t know any better?

            In the middle east, whites were abducted, often by pirates, and taken into slavery. But that is okay?

            Whites also abolished slavery in Europe and America, and shed blood to do it.

            Aside from all that, none of us alive today ever held a slave, or ever was a slave. We had no part of it! But what you are saying is that because we are of a certain race, we either deserve compensation for our ancestors, or we must compensate because of them.

            That seems to me to be even WORSE racism.

            Wouldn’t it serve us all better to stop looking back, living in the past, and look forward instead, to create a world that is better for us all? A world where we all respect one another, regardless of ancestery?

            Can’t we all just be okay, being who we are today?

          • kate8

            Great post, TIME. Tell ‘um like it is.

            Too bad they won’t listen.

          • JeffH

            TIME, as usual, a great post…

        • kate8

          I wonder if Joe is Timr.

        • bp

          From the Heartland of Colorado: America is ColorBlind-by Joyce Schafer
          http://www.youtube.com/v/8LueauGJbJA Patriots- enjoy and pass it on.

          • Jana

            bp,
            Thanks for sharing. That was great.

        • JeffH

          kate8, many names and from same origin…who knows? who cares?
          Any way they spin it, a liberal is a liberal

          bp, thanks for the video link…enjoyed it and very good.

        • eddie47d

          Are you a racist? Maybe or maybe not! The Chinese Americans did their share of suffering. Like most newcomers they were overworked and underpaid and somrtimes not paid at all. Just like Mexican Americans,legal and illegal.They get paid about the same as they did in 1980. They had to pick 4,000 lbs. of tomatoes to make $50.00. Could you live on that? Too many bellyache that they are abusing this country but it could be the other way around.

          • JeffH

            Typical comment from a bleeding heart…?

          • JC

            Eduardo…There’s no such thing as an “Illegal” Mexican American.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, did somebody force those Chinese to come here? Is somebody forcing the Mexicans to come here? Both were/are happy to be making as good money as they can here compared to their homelands.
            However, it is obvious that you Liberals hate the immigrants, as you are doing everything you can to destroy our economy, so they won’t want to come here anymore.

        • J

          bp I can’t agree more I love all people until they start there fill sorry for me.

        • Joe

          Hey BP, White boy here with a sense that we are all created equal except those who are racist hateful people. Get over yourself too. I love that you assumed I am black, it just proves my point.

      • JC

        Just another liberal racist throwing just another racist tag around.

      • Joyce

        Careful, Joe, your stupidity and prejudice are showing. Race is not an issue, but love for our country and greatfulness that some politicians over the years have tried to even the racial score is. Ever hear of Sharia law? That’s what’s on tap for America if all of our citizens (black, white, brown, green, polka-dotted, etc.) don’t stand TOGETHER for once and try to beat this fast-spreading cancer of hatred, destruction and “fundamental transformation” being carried out by the enemies both inside and outside our borders. Our own glorious president is taking us back to the good old slavery days with his own brand of racism, but this time black and white will be sharing the same yoke. Once Sharia law kicks in, guess what kind of respect we (and especially women) will get then!

        • Tman

          WELLLLLLL SAID!!!!!!!!

        • J

          Well said Joyce we all need to be reminded once and a while we have to stick together.

          • Joe

            Do you wear your white hoods when you meet?

      • Ruby

        I’ve always said that whoever brings up race first, is indeed the racist! And, no, I’m not white…I’m hispanic/latina.

        • DONTTREADONME

          RUBY IF YOU SAY IT, IT MUST BE TRUE. YOU BROUGHT UP RACISM BEFORE ME SO I WIN, YOU ARE THE RACIST!…. NEENER! NEENER!

          DO YA SEE THE IGNORANCE YET? STOP IT…JUST STOP IT! YOU ARE A SHEEP, OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE REAL ISSUES AND HELP OTHERS TO SEE THEM AS WELL. WE ARE AMERICANS(WELL, MOST OF US ARE)SO GET OUT YOUR PITCHFORK AND GO TO WORK AGAINST THE TRUE ENEMIES OF OUR LAND. FORGET THE WHITE-BROWN SQUABBLE BEFORE WE ARE ALL ENSLAVED. THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT CARE WHO IS WHITE OR BROWN OR WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ONE OR THE OTHER; THEY CARE HOW THEY CAN PROMOTE AND USE THAT FEAR AGAINST US, ALL OF US!! PLEASE, IF YOU VALUE YOUR FREEDOM, OPEN YOUR EYES!!

          • Jana

            don’ttreadonme,
            I think you misunderstood Ruby. She was commenting on Joe’s reply who did bring up race.

      • Delores Smith

        JOE,
        RE: YOUR REPLY TO LINDA – HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THINGS TO BE 67 YEARS FROM NOW?
        Delores Smith
        Delores109@cox.net

    • Debra

      Thank you . I wish ther where more men like you out there . We the
      PEOPLE . sould be able to potest ,Just like the illegal immigration .
      to do something about Obama . he is there to protect us , but he is
      not standing up for us ,but he is for all the illegal immigration .
      I will never learn Spanish or muslum or any other languae . I will
      never stop putting GOD first . I think it is time for Americans to
      start standing up for what we belive in this is our country . I wish i could find a country i could migrat to now .There is no more AMERICA that we use to know . an but time Obama is finished we will
      have some big problems to deal with . we need to take AMERICA back, that is our right . I am WITH Arizona 100%

    • Dorothy Reynolds

      You know I’m a 66 year old white woman, from Virginia, I’m ashamed to say the good ole boy network which ran the country had no respect for women, they believed they should be pregnant and be in the kitchen, and God forbid not think for themselves, they should parrot them. If ypu were not a White Anglo-Saxon Prostant, you should not have a voice in anything. Thank God my father thought we should think for ourselves, weather he agreed or disagreed with how we felt on a idea or view.

      Is the what you want to return to?

      • Smilee

        Dorothy

        I’m 68 and I remember it as you described too. My parents like yours encouraged us to think for ourselves and also showed us that is what they did. Today there is to much programing of the human mind and to little teaching them to use their mind through analytic thinking.

        • DaveH

          Are you attacking the Public Schools, Smilee?

      • Barbara

        I am 60. Like you, my father was always willing to listen as long as you were polite and not obnoxious.
        We live in the north west. So my growing up had different experiences. We had a very liberal pro communist senator who was willing to sell the U.S. out. They preferred “better red than dead”. An attitude still espoused by the liberals.

        • Jana

          Smilee, Barbara, and Dorothy,
          So you see, not all of the women were treated that way. There have always been men that are afraid of a woman gaining any knowledge or having any kind of control over her own life, but not everyone felt that way.In fact, there still are plenty of men around that are afraid that they will lose control. These men are pathetic.
          My daddy took my mother down and had her borrow $300. from the bank under her own name. They put it in a CD at the bank and in 6 months when the CD came do, so did the bank loan. She paid it back and a little extra, but had gained some credit experience in her name. They kept doing that until she had a good credit report.
          When I got married I did the same thing.My husband went with me as I was timid back then, so I have some good memories too. Not everyone is bad, just the same as not everyone is good.

          • Jana

            I do know how to spell, the CD came due, not do.

    • JeffH

      Ginger, welcome aboard, this website contains some very passionate posters and a few liberal poster that will try to race bait, such as Joe’s remarks to goad you in other directions. Joe like some others come here to distract others away from the point of the discussions.
      This happens often enough just through general conversation.
      “Let not your heart be troubled” by them…
      Hannity

    • John Claydon

      IMPEACH a president who will not protect and defend U.S. sovereignty?

      • JeffH
      • bp

        John Claydon; His Oath of Office includes “to protect and defend”; it is his first and foremost DUTY. Yes.

      • bp

        John Claydon; ….and to “uphold”, that is, honor, the Constitution and, therefore, State’s Rights.

  • bill elder

    This issue of illegals has GOT to be addressed.. Whether via individual states, which I currently support, OR via the Fed Govt..I have never, nor will ever accept anmesty.. It happened in the past and never has worked..

    The backlogs encountered by the former INS would choke even the best computers currently in business..

    Best opt, arrest, temporarily detained, then deport without regard for any legalities of law.. Create and operate a national data base which would be filled with current and previous deportees and allow such to be accessed by all lawful enforcement agencies as well as businesses/private persons that may even THINK of hiring an unknown..

    Further, provided for easiest of access to the SSA data base to determine legality of SS information submitted by job applicants..

    Heavily fine businesses found to have hired such and make the fines sting like hell.. Close those business with repeated violations and sequester the funds of the owners to preclude using such in their defense as such may have been gained via this and other nefarious activities.. Such is currently done for drug busts..

    When placing suspects in detention, place them in the most obscene conditions known to exist within our borders.. Any thing better would tend to invite them back as conditions are far worse in foreign lands..

    Prohibite anchor babies.. Those borne here by chance, should NOT be allowed to remain nor be a reason for parents to stay.. For me and many others, it MUST be MANDATORY that your parents were legal American citizens before YOU can be declared likewise.

    There are a multitude of ideas and methods that MUST be used.. WHY NOT DO SUCH??

    Sooner OR later, they’d get the message

    • http://www.personallibertyalert.com Brian zorro

      It is totally obvious that the one world government and or Illuminati/Freemasons all worship Lucifer and want to annihilate all Christian countries. The Chinese Russians and Muslims and one world Government and even the higher ups in government here in America are all apart of this globalist Agenda. Some are of the Illuminati but many are also just plain liberals who are pawns in this one world government chess game. The globalist want the unintelligent liberals and minorities to populate the USA as statistics prove that the majority of the time they vote democratic and or communist or for the globalist Agenda, without even realizing it. The Globalist have the minorities convinced that they are actually intelligent voters with a vision of change and integration when the real vision is theirs destruction of Israel and America. This invasion and deception is phase one of the war and to make us a divided house that cannot stand so that many leaders can stay elected that are traitors to America and Israel. Phase two is when enough traitors are in power and America is disarmed we will be destroyed. Americans are so stupid they can only see the enemy when its right in front of them but due to the dumbing down of America the average American cannot deal with deception. Sun Tzu said the art of war is deception and a once mighty America no one would attack but once they have weakened us enough from within then an all out attack will be launched at us from from Russia and China and a whole host of other nations. The bad news is most of us will die the good news is the Christian God will end up killing all of Israels enemies. There is nothing to argue about for time itself will bear me out to be right just wait and then if you don’t die to quickly you will see!

    • independant thinker

      If O-ham-a would divert just 1/4 of his supposed rage against BP to actualy stopping illegals from crossing toe border the problem would be solved.

      • Jana

        independant thinker,
        And they are already reporting that the drug cartels from Mexico are startiing to threaten the police and Federals ie the Border Patrols in Arizona, the same as they are doing in Mexico.
        They are bringing their illegal activities across the border to our country.
        There are even warning signs on around 3500 acres of American soil that tells us it is not a safe area and not to go there. Now why wouldn’t it be a safe area???? Well duh, it isn’t safe because there are too many illegals comng into this country in this area and the drug cartels are taking advantage of this fact and bringing in drugs AND they are using guns to do it as well as their threats to not only the Border Patrols and police, but to their families.
        Does Obama care?? NO! He does not care about anything but his agenda. He thinks that is why he was elected to office and that is to put through his agenda. To keep this country safe from our enemies was part of his pledge and is in the consitution, but he has no intentions of following the constitution or following his sworn duties. By his very actions he shows great disdain for the United States of America.

  • Bender

    Sadly, nationally subsidized beer purchases are already a reality . . . it’s called Food Stamps. We are in real deep trouble.

    • Laurie

      Beer can not be purchased with food stamps. No alcoholic beverages or nicotine products.

      • Informed

        Yes they can buy alcohol in california with food stamp money. My son work in a grocery store, half of their food stamp money can be spent on cigarettes and any kind of alcohol. The state issues food stamp cards (like a debit card) now, no more coupons. They are issued two cards one for food and household products only, the other one can be used for anything they like.

        • Smilee

          The anything you like card is a welfare card not food stamps

          • Glenn

            only semantics you meat head

          • Jana

            It’s all welfare. We don’t want them wearing themselves out by working now, would we?

      • TIME

        Its trure Laurie the EBT card is only a part of the equation, you also have in NY the $400.00 per month CASH for snokes and beer etc.

        The NY EBT cards pay out about $1200.00 per month for food now, here in GA, they pay out $950.00 per month to EBT and $300.00 cash for smokes and beer, all housing is paid for so is the electric, water, and cable TV, oh and Cell Phones too!
        And now there is the computer program, as well school cloths.

        So a family of one Mom and three kids brings in $3800.00 per month for just food, Housing again FREE and Phone, Cell Phone cable TV, and cloths, and a computer – Plus $300.00 for beer and smokes.

        You may ask how do I know any of this, easy I have been a BIG BROTHER for the last 25 years and have seen it all.

        I just had my 4th little guy Graduate High School, his mother left him after I was working with him for 6 months, as in she left him on my door step at 6 AM on a Sunday, he has not heard from nor seen her in 10 years.

        It cost me many dollars to get him we have brought him up to be a FINE Young Gentleman who by the way will be starting school in the fall at Cal Tec, his grade were so good that he has a full ride. I still set him up with a Trust account over 10 years ago so when he gets out of school he can start his own Biz if he so wishes.

        I have treated him like he was my son and we both love him to death he is a Great kid!

        • Allan

          Hats of to you sir.

        • Jana

          TIME,

          You are a good and kind person. God bless you.

    • Joe

      This is how your message gets whacked. People will believe that statement that beer is subsidized by Food Stamps because they are too stupid to actually seek the truth. Do you really believe your own statement?

      Most of the comments in here bear very little truth. Ignorance breeds the same.

      • Jim H.

        Hey Joe, Have an unsubsidized beer and lighten up.

      • Informed

        Joe read the above facts. Both drugs and alcohol are subsidized in our Country. Were do you live Disneyland?

        • Smilee

          Not through the food stamp program, if your talking corporate welfare that’s different

          • CT

            Does it really make a difference? It’s all taxpayer money being used/abused.

          • independant thinker

            While food stamps may not be used to buy alcoholic beverages directly those on food stamps somehow find plenty of money to buy beer, whiskey, and wine. By extension food stamps allow the people using them to buy alcoholic beverages.

          • Palin12

            I’ll never forget the time I saw some pathetic creature chewing out a clerk in the 7/11 for not letting her buy cigarettes with her food stamps, calling her every name you can think of.

          • 45caliber

            independent thinker:

            You are right. Several years ago, in Arkansas, there were several people arrested for trading in food stamps. One dealer was even caught selling cars for food stamps. The government got suspicious when a convience store started turning in millions of dollars in food stamps when their total business was far less. It seems a couple of people had bought the store and used it to take food stamps and cash them. They would give cash (about 50 cents on the dollar) for the stamps from people or businesses.

            And I once saw a woman driving a new Caddy wearing a full length mink coat (in July) who bought four baskets of food at a store for food stamps.

      • DaveH

        First of all, Joe, they could just do a trade with a friend to get the cash for the booze.
        But, secondly, if you are going to be so nasty to somebody, how about providing some referential proof for your accusation?

      • Allan

        Have broom and dustpan, and will travel to clean up every time a crazy liberal policy is exposed.

    • bp

      Bender; And this is in reference to what? Alcoholic beverages and cigarettes cannot be purchased with Food Stamps. How does this contribute to the ILLEGAL RESIDENT ALIEN (not immigrants) debate?

      • JeffH

        …good point bp…

        • Jana

          There are a lot of illegals around here and you would be surprised how many have these food stamp cards. They pay with them proudly. They also flock to the free clinic.
          My girlfriend’s Dr. sent her to the free clinic because she needed a shot that only they provided.(This was a surprise to me about that). She couldn’t get in because of so many illegals needing services. Finally she ended up getting an appointment to get in. She had to pay by the way.

      • 45caliber

        Not necessarily true. You can’t use them to buy new cars, either, but I know of people who did and were arrested for it – especially those selling the cars. Further, some states allow a certain percentage of the money they give to be used for cigarettes and beer.

  • s c

    The main problem in dealing with the ILLEGAL ALIEN issue is in the hardened concrete between the ears of the twits in the White House and most of the career yahoos in Congress. The American people understand the roots of the problem, where and when it started, who continued it and who’s continuing it NOW.
    When Uncle Scam REFUSES to do his job [and ESPECIALLY when "God" is in the White House], then you might as well assume that if the Constitution hasn’t been completely destroyed, it’s very close to that point (compliments of the many no-talent sobs in BOTH major political parties).
    When government doesn’t listen, it does NOT exist. It has no credibility. It has NO right to govern. Those who support this non-functioning government knowingly aid and abet it and are just as GUILTY.
    It’s not that hard to understand, unless you’re under the influence of those who have taken part in a long series of Constitution-destroying behavior that stretches back to the early 19th century.
    Some people can be proud of ANYTHING. That’s how a country gets people like Benedict Arnold, Alger Hiss, criminals of every sort and braindead, freedom-hating progressives.
    Et tu, SLIME. Your masks are coming off. Do you really think that a government that hates freedom will protect YOU when YOU have to face reality and STAND ALONE?

    • 45caliber

      The libs believe that the government is all-compassionate. And if it isn’t, since they support it, they expect it to give them a pass while it hammers all their enemies.

      One of the comedy things about this belief is that the military will ALWAYS support the government. And since the liberals believe that all volunteers to the military are prospective/frustrated murderers, they won’t join and dislike all military and vets. 90% of the military are conservatives. One in Eight are from Texas. (Military figures given to “Military Moms” by the Army.)

      Go figure.

  • Jim G.

    I have been in many different nations, including Mexico, and NO WHERE are the immigration laws enforced less than the United States. In Mexico for a long time even U.S citizens who were legal were not allowed to own property. ANY and ALL elected or appointed officials who refuse to fulfill their oaths of office should be at minimum removed, and possibly indicted for malfeasance in office.

    Malfeasance in office is defined as : official misconduct n. improper and/or illegal acts by a public official which violate his/her duty to follow the law and act on behalf of the public good. Often such conduct is under the guise or “color” of official authority.

    That includes the President, and ALL United States Justice Department officials, as well as MOST Mayors and Police Chiefs from the United States.

    • Barbara

      The problem is try to define malfeasance. Those who voted for the current office holders will defend his change polices. We who see the destruction of the U.S. and the ignoring of the constitution; have a narrower definition.
      Unfortunately, this congress has no back bone. Most probably because they could also be brought up on like charges. (Remember how Clinton was charged but was never punished.)
      Until we get a clean sweep of members I do not see any major changes occurring in the federal government.
      The additional problem is the career bureaucrat. His job and retirement is at stake. Actually he has more power than the elected because he was either appointed or passed the civil service exam. He is now in a position to push his personal agenda. Just try to remove an entrenched bureaucrat.

    • bp

      Jim G.; “Malfeasance defined as : official misconduct n. improper and/or illegal acts by a public official which violate his/her duty to follow the law and act on behalf of the public good.”
      Sounds like grounds for impeachment. Where do we begin? The DOJ or the legislative branch will not initiate proceedings against B.O. Hussein. How do WE THE PEOPLE do it? 70% are on the same side of this issue. Sounds like a majority to me!

  • derVenerschnitzel

    Our President ia a ruthless racist… and sees the issue purely in terms of race. Security be damned. This is an issue to deliver a payback to his political adversaries and their families.

    • http://personallibertydigest jim

      Is he a racist against his black father or his white mother?

      • David

        His white mother. Haven’t you read his comment about his mother?

        • http://personallibertydigest jim

          No I haven’t. So he hates half himself? If you believe that, no wonder you can be manipulated into believing all the other conservative tripe. Sounds as logical as the old “The slaves are better off being slaves. They wouldn’t know what to do otherwise” logic. Alot of people thought that type of logic was obvious at the time.
          The conservative movement has some good points. But when it uses silly things like this (with a straight face) main stream America is very suspicious of the rest of the agenda.

          • bp

            Jim; BHO denies half of his heritage, even though he was raised by his mother’s family (!), therefore he is ANGRY! This is not “conservative tripe”; this comes from his autobiography. READ IT! Please.

          • Glenn

            Racist or not, you tell me.
            Obama told Cataldi that “The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a TYPICAL WHITE PERSON. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know (pause) there’s a reaction in her that doesn’t go away and it comes out in the wrong way.”

          • DaveH

            Jim,
            Maybe before you shoot from the hip, you ought to do a little research.
            From Obama’s book: Dreams of my Father

            “I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER’S (WHITE) RACE AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

            ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S (WHITE) RACE”.

            “The emotion between the races could never be pure…..THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART”

            ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S (WHITE) RACE”.

          • JeffH

            Oh DaveH, there you go with the facts again…you know liberals don’t respond to the facts…

          • Claire

            My money will never purchase a book written by a politician, I never bought Obamas books and I sure as heck won’t buy any of the others. I know all I need to know about all of them.

      • JC

        Would he’s a Muslim who is against America be sufficient to answer your question? And did he even know his mother?

  • Al Sieber

    If Fed. law mirrors state law why is Obama gonna sue us saying the Ariz. law is unconstitutional? any liberals care to answer that? I can’t wait until July when the scumbag “Al I’m gonna sue Sharpton”comes here. he’s gonna “cook” up good in the hot July sun in Phoenix, him and George Soros funded, racist La Raza, the Nazi party of the Mexican socialists, Ah…, La Raza, the race, everything for the race, and nothing outside the race. make’s me want to really have these people around. busing in protester’s from L.A., the northern capital of Mexico. I hear the fascist dictator of Mexico is filing a lawsuit against Ariz. too.

    • JeffH

      Al, don’t forget the SEIU…it’s pretty pathetic that the POTUS has to threaten “his” country with lawsuits rather than support existing law…it’s my understanding that Arizona is still waiting for the assigned 1200 NG troops to it’s border. More empty words from the un-American POTUS.

      • angel-wanna-be

        JeffH, yes, the Arizona border is STILL waiting for 1200 troops, one of the Sheriffs from the border appeared on Fox News last night, complaining they hadn’t recieved the help yet__That is Just Pathetic and this Administration is a Political joke, at the expense of the American people!

    • eddie47d

      Your on a racist roll,thanks for coming out of the closet. LaRaza is not a racist organization,any more than the Polish Club or the Irish Highlanders. LaRaza National org. doesn’t believe in open borders just decency towards all who labor and want fair treatment. (no racial profiling). That is against the law in 24 states. A case in point is Eduardo Caraballo who was demanded to show his immigration papers and didn’t have any. He spent 3 days in jail although he is a U.S. citizen. They did arrest him because he looked like an illegal (spanish).

      • JeffH

        fast eddie, ignorance seems to be something you cherish daily.

        The nation’s television screens many days recently have been filled with scenes of huge crowds carrying the colorful green and red flag of Mexico viewers could well have thought it was a national holiday in Mexico City.

        It was instead, downtown Los Angeles, Calif., although the scene was recreated in numerous other cities around the country with substantial Mexican populations. Hordes of Mexican expatriates, many here illegally, were protesting the very U.S. immigration laws they were violating with impunity. They found it offensive and a violation of their rights that the U.S. dared to have immigration laws to begin with.

        Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa mounted the podium, but any hopes that he would quiet the crowds and defend the law were soon dashed. Villaraigosa, himself, has spent a lifetime opposing U.S. immigration law.

        For those who know the truth about the “La Raza” movement, these demonstrations were a prophecy fulfilled.
        For law-abiding Americans without knowledge of the dark side of our current illegal immigration crisis, all this is unfathomable.

        The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for “housing reform,” while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

        Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

        That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

        http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863

        • 45caliber

          Incidently, it is ILLEGAL in Mexico for any person to display the Mexican flag EXCEPT for the Mexican army and government buildings. All those people in LA, for instance, broke the MEXICAN laws.

      • JC

        Thought you saw an opening there didn’t you eduardo?
        Al’s not a racist, but YOU can’t wait to pull that tired old mule out of the shed and trot it around. It’s so old and so boring.
        Al’s right though, when a group who means you harm is flying under a banner of “race”, they’re racists…or maybe “reverse racists”.
        Either way ignoring the fact does not gain you any moral ground.

      • 45caliber

        Boy, have they got you fooled!!!

        La Raza wants the entire southwest returned to Mexico. All Americans are to give up their property which would be divided and deeded to Mexicans ONLY. That includes things like cars, clothes, etc. Their argument is that it once belonged to Mexico and still should – that it was “stolen” from Mexico. Never mind things like the Gadston Purchase, the Californios who bought California from Santa Anna, or that the “Mexicans” in Texas fought for its independence just as much as anyone else did. They even want to deny the Louisiana Purchase.

      • bp

        eddie47d; Impossible. If Eduardo Caraballo is a U.S. citizen, where was his I.D.? If he is LEGAL, he would have a green card or visa. Only an ILLEGAL RESIDENT ALIEN has no documentation. LA RAZA means “the race”; therefore, again, who is the racist?

      • Al Sieber

        eddie47d, you really are a mental midget, and ignorant too. La Raza means the Race, in Nazi Germany they called themselves Der Volk, figure it out. you liberals like to shout down your opponent by calling them racists. thanks for the support you guys, it saved me a lot of typing.I see they passed the “disclose Act”. Obama is now the supreme Dictator, the end of freedom of speech etc….

    • 45caliber

      Al: They are still trying to come up with a reason the laws there are unconstitutional. So far they are still looking. But I’m sure they will find something sooner or later that the liberals on the SCOTUS can say is unconstitutional.

      • bp

        45caliber; POTUS’ argument is that border security is a federal responsibility, and not a state jurisdiction. How ironic is that?!!!!!

        • 45caliber

          I know. Funny, isn’t it – considering he won’t.

          Have you seen the video or heard Senator Kyl of AZ about it? According to Kyl – and I believe him – Oblama told him in a one-on-one meeting that he couldn’t secure the border because if he did Congress wouldn’t be able to pass his amnesty bill. In other words, according to Kyl, he is holding the border hostage to get his bill passed.

          • DaveH

            Obama is refusing to do his job. That is a flat out impeachable offense. But his fellow criminals in Congress won’t allow that to happen, so it’s up to the voters in November to rectify that situation.

          • JC

            If we make it to November that is.

            Eight Republican senators and an independent group that supports tighter limits on immigration are warning that the Obama administration is drafting a plan to “unilaterally” issue blanket amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants as it struggles to win support in Congress for an overhaul of immigration laws.

            The senators who wrote the White House on Monday say they are concerned that the administration is readying a “Plan B” in case a comprehensive reform bill cannot win enough support to clear Congress.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/23/lawmakers-warn-administration-plan-unilaterally-grant-blanket-amnesty/

            I guess the low life Kenyan is fine with the rape and murder of Americans. Who knows…maybe it’s just a way of life where he comes from, but here it is a shooting offense.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Iran is still detaining the 3 hikers who crossed over their boarder last July. Wow! Other countries have extremely stiff penalties for those who violate their boarders! It is also my understanding that Mexico has much stiffer laws than we do.
    I support Arizona. Those idiots running our country need to start listening to the people. They are so far removed from the average American, that they are clueless. Perhaps they need to camp out on the Arizona boarder, you know, take a vacation with their families. They are much to high and mighty to admit that the problem is the illegals. One foot into America makes them illegal and law breakers. It must be stopped.

    • Bonnie Dishong

      Everybody’s fussing about the Fed’s suing Arizona over their new immigration law. We are all going to be part of the North American Union soon enough already. We don’t need borders then. We don’t need a constitution because a new one for the three us will be formed. Just google it. And by the way, I am sick about all of this and will do all I can to stop this from progressing.

      • http://Personalliberty.com Ben Crystal

        “..We are all going to be part of the North American Union soon enough..”

        Bonnie, I do believe I can speak for most – but not all – of the Personalliberty.com participants and faithful readers of the Bob Livingston Letter when I say:

        No (HELL no) we are not.

        Have faith, ma’am. Change is coming. (The worthwhile kind.)

        Ben Crystal

      • DaveH

        Maybe Obama is going to push that in the other direction. That is the dissolution of the United States since he can’t seem to play by the rules of the land (the Constitution).

    • eddie47d

      National I.D. cards anyone!

      • JC

        Naw, driver’s licenses, birth certificates and passports have worked well all this time, why bother? Let’s just not give those kinds of ID to illegal aliens…or insurgents from the south.

  • J.M.R.

    well when we have a illegal running our great country you can’t expect much from the dick-tater. we need a leader that will enforce the laws with force and conviction. but he’s a spineless ass hole. he want the U.S.A. to become mexico. if gets enough of the lower scum in this country then he will be the supreme one. as i have said before he would not make a pimple on a real preidents ass.

  • Michelle

    To make matters worse, they are actually filing the suit against a law placed into effect in 2007 which Janet Napolitano signed (yes, DHS Secretary). They want to get rid of the provisions that penalize businesses for hiring illegals as well as the use of E-Verify. Arizona used to be part of the Federal task force to assist with the illegal immigration problem, but once Janet Napolitano moved from Governor of AZ to DHS she removed part of the state from that program – the part that Sheriff Joe was involved in. Anything that is working they remove! Other states are now also being to live in the world of illegal immigration that Arizona has been living in for at least 20 years! Those of us in Arizona have been living with this threat for that long while the rest of the country still believed “these were just families that wanted a better life.” WRONG! They have taken over our neighborhoods, businesses, schools – everything. They have not assimilated into our society but expect us to change for their benefit. Just looking around we have to wonder what country we really live in! For CITIZENS to obtain jobs you have to speak Spanish. Billboards and signs are written in Spanish ONLY! My grandson had to ask his teacher to speak ENGLISH. This must stop, but Obama, McCain and rest of the progressive won’t do it. Now even Mexico is suing Arizona! What right to they have? They don’t care about the citizens of the US – they’d rather protect the criminals. Guess they are protecting their own.

  • J.M.R.

    WELL SAID MICHELLE I USE TO BE A OVER THE ROAD TRUCKER WAS IN ARIZONA A COUPLE OF TIMES,LOVELY STATE PHOX. WAS A CLEAN BEAUTIFUL CITY BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT NOW AS ITS BEEN 15 YEARS SINCE I WAS THERE

  • Toni R

    Here’s another website taking a poll: http://world-news.newsvine.com/_question/2010/05/12/4274124-do-you-support-arizonas-tough-new-law-on-illegal-immigration
    I think it’s funny that even though 96% of those polled believe the AZ. law is a good thing, when it comes to casting votes, somehow its not enough to pass the law. Can anyone figure that one out?
    If I lived in AZ, I would vote for it. I live in TX and I could only pray that they put this law into effect here. I feel if they want to come legally, then do so with the understanding that YOU WILL SPEAK ENGLISH OUTSIDE THE HOME, YOU WILL FLY THE AMERICAN FLAG PROUDLY, YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE AMERICAN LAWS, AND YOU WILL ONLY BE ENTITLED TO THE THINGS YOU HAVE HONESTLY EARNED JUST LIKE ME OR YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY. My great grand parents came here legally from Italy. They stood in the long line in NY to get documented. They took the oath of honoring the USA and abiding by her rules. They worked for what they had, they spoke English inside and outside the home. They only spoke Italian inside the home. They did not demand anything from anyone. They earned respect from their neighbors and town. They made an honest living, paid taxes. They saved their hard earned money to buy land and a home.
    What makes these latino’s any different than my Italian ancestors? NOTHING!
    Food stamps and social security are for those who have rightfully earned it by working LEGALLY and paying into it. Scholarships are for those who have earned it because of what they did, not for being a certain nationality. My child was not able to apply for several scholarships because he was not of hispanic race, because his parents didnt come here illegally and he wasn’t having problems speaking English. HELLO??? does anyone see a problem here? He had a gpa of 5.367, graduated 11th in a class of 900+, and yet was only granted 80,000.00 in scholarships. Nothing to sneeze at and we are grateful for that amount, but there was one kid, who’s parents aren’t legals, and somehow he is, received over well over $150,000.00 in scholarships because it was all meant for Hispanics ONLY. I don’t get it.
    I have no objections to anyone coming here LEGALLY. I have a sister in law who came here, LEGALLY, from the Philippines and I dearly love her. She,too, is so amazed at how these illegals can get away with anything and everything they want and that we are catering to their every demand.
    What is our governments problem? I say impeach every one of them in the white house, state and local government and lets get some real, law upholding, same as you and me, who work for me, people there, who will hear our voices and listen to us.

    • JeffH

      Toni R, I guess you are aware that “newsvine” is the liberal website for MSNBC…

    • JeffH

      Toni R, I guess you are aware that “newsvine” is the liberal website for MSNBC…and they have a 96% favorable vote for the Arizona SB1070…that’s amazing!

      • bp

        JeffH; It will be interesting to see how MSNBC misrepresents this poll. I just voted, along with l.5 million others, and 95% are with Arizona! Stay tuned……

        • JeffH

          bp, keep me up to date as I’m no longer welcome on the Newsvine blog…

    • eddie47d

      Good post.I hope you want all those involved in creating this problem impeached also (too be fair).We could go way back and really stir up the history books. Presidents Johnson,Nixon,Ford,Carter,Reagan,Bush,Clinton,Bush and Obama. The ringleader should get the worst punishment. Whoever allowed the most to come over the border illegally. Obama wouldn’t even be in the running. My bet is on Reagan but maybe not.

      • bp

        eddie47d; FYI, Reagan is no longer alive. That means he’s dead.

      • bp

        eddie47d; …..so are Johnson, Nixon and Ford. You cannot rewrite history, but you do have the opportunity to move forward and look ahead.

      • JeffH

        ..can’t we just hang the ones that are still living? Sounds fair to me!

      • DaveH

        It’s one thing for the president not to do his job. But, it’s quite another to actively seek to prevent others from doing the job.

      • Al Sieber

        eddie47d, your president’s a liar, he said during his campaign he would close the borders, he lie’s about everything. he’s also a traitor to his oath of office and the people of the U.S.. is the 47d after your name your bra size, or your I.Q.?

        • eddie47d

          Keep stretching the truth little Al. Obama started the Southwest Border Initiative within his first year. There are now 20,000 border agents which is quite a few more than Bush deployed. His administration has seized more drugs,cash and drug runners than at any time in our nations history.(all past Presidents). That’s hardly an act of a President who is doing nothing. You’re loathing of Obama doesn’t cut it. If you want faster progress go buy some instant tea.

          • planoguy

            Yeah we see how Obama is working the border. SAYing you will do something and actually DOING it are two different things. We see how crime is up, deportations down, drug traffic up, US government refusing to do it’s job…. SOmething to be REALLY proud of!

  • GOP Girl

    I love Obamma. Every day he makes it easier and easier for Republicans.

    • JC

      The Republicans need an overhaul too.

      • JeffH

        JC, simply all of DC needs an overhall…the libs don’t uderstand that and stout Republican’s don’t understand it either…

        • JC

          Absolutely. We need “thinking” Americans. Not “loyalists” to parties.

        • 45caliber

          Actually we need to encourage all our blind libs and close minded Republicans to go to Washington for a big meeting of some sort. Then Iran can nuke it. That would help both countries – at least at first.

          • JeffH

            mmmm, food for thought…

        • Allan

          I’m convinced it doesn’t matter who is sent to Washington. Until Congressional REFORM takes place, there is too much opportunity for corruption. Issues come and go, as do candidates. If we want actual change, we need candidates to sign pledges to change congressional rules and practices.

          • JeffH

            Allan, I can embrace those ideas…

  • Ellen

    It sounds to me as though Arizona needs to seriously consider secession. Why should the people of Arizona be forced to pay ANYTHING in legal fees to be brutalized by a government that is charged with PROTECTING its people?

    This government is not listening and has no intentions of ever listening to the people. They’ve stolen our money, our jobs, our freedoms…..what is left? As someone posted, they have NO credibility and certainly no authority for 95% of what they do. Why pay any more attention to them? If every state seceded (oh, what a dream!), who would the slime have to push around? I think the idea of secession needs to become a top priority for the several states.

    • Barbara

      Careful. That is why Lincoln fought the Civil War. He was ignoring the 10th amendment. He did not care if there were slaves. He did not want the southern states to succeed.
      If Lincoln had cared about the black people he would have freed the northern slaves along with the southern slaves.

      • 45caliber

        You are quite correct. In fact, there were about 1200 slave owners in the South – and far more in the North (except they were called indentured servants). 300,000+ Southern soldiers did not die to make these 1200 slave owners richer. Slavery was used in the North to encourage the young men there to join and fight the South. Several years after the Civil War those Northern soldiers realized what slavery was like in the North and raised enough Cain that they were finally freed. The Emancipation Proclamation was put out to try to encourage the Southern slaves to revolt and cause trouble behind the Southern lines.

      • DaveH

        That’s right, Barbara, but he needed the Slavery issue to rally the people to fight for the Union.
        What are the Liberals going to use to rally their people – The fact that they can no longer ride on our backs? How horrible of us to do that to them.

      • Allan

        Check your history here…state law controlled slavery at the time Lincoln became President. States had to voluntarily abandon it. He detested slavery and worked within the legal framework to create the Emancipation Proclamation. He said: “I am naturally anti-slavery. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel.”

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Allan,

          You are lost in PC history. I urge you to study further because, though Lincoln may not have remembered it (a convenient memory lapse I’m sure), his words are written down for posterity.

          He promised to support the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, saying: “when they remind us of their constitutional rights [to own slaves], I acknowledge them, not grudgingly but fully and fairly; and I would give them any legislation for the reclaiming of their fugitives.”

          He defended in court a slave owner whose slaves had been smuggled away in order to get those slaves returned.

          When asked during the war what he wanted to do with them once they were freed he said, “Send them to Liberia, or their own native land.”

          Finally, his Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves in areas the North controlled. It freed them in the South, which was still under the rule of the Confederate government–therefore freeing nobody.

          In his inaugural address he said, “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

          Lincoln cared not one whit about the slaves until it became politically expedient for him to do so, when the issue would galvanize Europe’s support of the Union rather than the Confederacy.

          I urge you to read “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas DiLorenzo and educate yourself about what a progressive, dictatorial freedom-crushing tyrant Lincoln was. Judge Andrew Napolitano also addresses Lincoln and what he did to subvert the constitution in his book, “The Constitution in Exile.”

          Read those and let me know if you have the same opinion of “The Great Emancipator.”

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Ellen

            Very well said, Bob.

          • Allan

            Thanks. I will be glad do some reading on this. Because there are conflicting quotes, my impression is Lincoln changed with time, much as Jefferson, Franklin, and other founding fathers misgivings about slavery. I recently visited an extensive exhibit of Lincoln’s speeches and Presidential documents, many of which I read. I did not perceive him to be an insincere man. In the final analysis, Lincoln gave his life as a result of ending slavery as the economic foundation and culture of the South.

          • Allan

            Hi Bob-
            I usually don’t write long comments, so I apoligize in advance. I’ve been reading further tonite…I think Lincoln is being oversimplified in this thread, and choices being taken for granted in hindsight. To me it borders on reverse political correctness.

            Perhaps it is easy to pick out certain quotes and say today that Lincoln failed to act decisively and morally to end slavery when he became President. Removing slavery was not a simple matter. There were acts and agreements in place in border and other states, and compromises and ratios to determine whether slavery would be allowed in new states that were being added. Congress was consumed with these events. The South had become stronger economically via the cotton gin, and thus in Congress. The Constitution had originally grandfathered-in slave trade until after 1800. Lincoln came to power during a time of extreme tension between states and within Congress, and competition for influence in the new states.

            As the country headed toward war, Lincoln saw his first priority as saving the Union and the Constitution. That is very clear in his writings. Seems to me most folks on this blog would have agreed with him. He felt that ending slavery needed to take a back seat to saving the union, even though he had said in speeches and editorials back to the 1840′s that he did not personally approve of slavery. You mentioned a case where he defended a slave owner. I note he also defended a slave. He felt he had to walk a fine line within the patchwork of state laws in the days of trying to stave off war, and even once it had begun in order to maximize support. He also believed he did not have constitutional authority to end slavery.

            As the war progressed, as Union generals began to incorporate black soldiers, as border states become more sympathetic to the union cause, and as the tide turned against the South, Lincoln’s writings reveal he felt more empowered to act on his personal feelings about slavery. He changed his position of non-interference to one of emancipation. Emancipation HAD to be limited at first due to existing legal arrangements. Historian Eugene H. Berwanger says: “During his presidency, Lincoln took a reasoned course which helped the federal government both destroy slavery and advance the cause of black suffrage. For a man who had denied both reforms four years earlier, Lincoln’s change in attitude was rapid and decisive. He was both open-minded and perceptive to the needs of his nation in a postwar era. Once committed to a principle, Lincoln moved toward it with steady, determined progress.”

            There had been a movement for many years to send blacks back to Liberia. This was not Lincoln’s idea. It was a widespread sentiment ultimately debated by Congress after the war. Many argued ex-slaves would face more hardships if they stayed.

            Lincoln’s letter in 1864 to politicians who resented the Union’s recruiting of black troops reveals the conflict he felt between his duty and his beliefs (‘the measure’ refers to the emancipation proclamation): “I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel. And yet I have never understood that the Presidency conferred upon me an unrestricted right to act officially upon this judgment and feeling. It was in the oath I took that I would, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. I could not take the office without taking the oath. Nor was it my view that I might take an oath to get power, and break the oath in using the power. I understood, too, that in ordinary civil administration this oath even forbade me to practically indulge my primary abstract judgment on the moral question of slavery. I had publicly declared this many times, and in many ways. And I aver that, to this day, I have done no official act in mere deference to my abstract judgment and feeling on slavery. I did understand however, that my oath to preserve the constitution to the best of my ability, imposed upon me the duty of preserving, by every indispensabale means, that government — that nation — of which that constitution was the organic law. Was it possible to lose the nation, and yet preserve the constitution? By general law life and limb must be protected; yet often a limb must be amputated to save a life; but a life is never wisely given to save a limb. I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful, by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the constitution, through the preservation of the nation. Right or wrong, I assumed this ground, and now avow it. I could not feel that, to the best of my ability, I had even tried to preserve the constitution, if, to save slavery, or any minor matter, I should permit the wreck of government, country, and Constitution all together. When, early in the war, Gen. Fremont attempted military emancipation, I forbade it, because I did not then think it an indispensable necessity. When a little later, Gen. Cameron, then Secretary of War, suggested the arming of the blacks, I objected, because I did not yet think it an indispensable necessity. When, still later, Gen. Hunter attempted military emancipation, I again forbade it, because I did not yet think the indispensable necessity had come. When, in March, and May, and July 1862 I made earnest, and successive appeals to the border states to favor compensated emancipation, I believed the indispensable necessity for military emancipation, and arming the blacks would come, unless averted by that measure. They declined the proposition; and I was, in my best judgment, driven to the alternative of either surrendering the Union, and with it, the Constitution, or of laying strong hand upon the colored element. I chose the latter. In choosing it, I hoped for greater gain than loss; but of this, I was not entirely confident. More than a year of trial now shows no loss by it in our foreign relations, none in our home popular sentiment, none in our white military force, — no loss by it any how or any where. On the contrary, it shows a gain of quite a hundred and thirty thousand soldiers, seamen, and laborers. These are palpable facts, about which, as facts, there can be no cavilling. We have the men; and we could not have had them without the measure.

            ["]And now let any Union man who complains of the measure, test himself by writing down in one line that he is for subduing the rebellion by force of arms; and in the next, that he is for taking these hundred and thirty thousand men from the Union side, and placing them where they would be but for the measure he condemns. If he can not face his case so stated, it is only because he can not face the truth.["]

            I add a word which was not in the verbal conversation. In telling this tale I attempt no compliment to my own sagacity. I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me. Now, at the end of three years struggle the nation’s condition is not what either party, or any man devised, or expected. God alone can claim it. Whither it is tending seems plain. If God now wills the removal of a great wrong, and wills also that we of the North as well as you of the South, shall pay fairly for our complicity in that wrong, impartial history will find therein new cause to attest and revere the justice and goodness of God.” Yours truly, A. Lincoln.

            My point is let’s put ourselves in his shoes, respect him for saving the union, protecting the constitution, helping to end slavery, and even laying down his life for these causes.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Allan,

            Respect Lincoln for saving the union? I think not. His policies resulted in the death of 700,000 people, the destruction of the Southern culture, a war on innocent civilians. Besides, the founders recognized the right of secession (dissolution). As James Madison wrote: “Finally should all the constitutional remedies fail, and the usurpations of the Genl. Govt. become so intolerable as absolutely to forbid a longer passive obedience & nonresistance, a resort to the original rights of the parties becomes justifiable; and redress may be sought by shaking off the yoke, as of right, might be done by part of an individual State in a like case; or even by a single citizen, could he effect it, if deprived of rights absolutely essential to his safety & happiness.”

            The only reason Lincoln wanted to “preserve the union” was so he could preserve the taxes coming in from Southern crops–particularly cotton.

            Protecting the constitution? Suspending habeas corpus, dissolving state legislatures, shutting down newspapers and imprisoning their editors, nullifying the 10th Amendment and violating the Coinage Act of 1792, and the 3rd, 4th and 5th Amendments. I could list more usurpations.

            Again, I implore you to read the references I cited above. You are reading Lincoln apologist historians.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

        • JC

          Lincoln detested slavery? I don’t think so. he simply used the issue as a means to start a war with the legally seceded states and get them under the control of the Feds and the International Bankers.
          Lincoln, despite the way he has been painted as a hero was either a tremendous opportunist or a pawn…but a Great President(?) is merely a propogandist slant of history.
          He never did grant the slaves of the North freedom…so much for your theory.

          • Allan

            Would he be on Mt. Rushmore if he were simply an opportunist or pawn?

          • JC

            Yes indeed. The best lie is a big lie.

        • Allan

          Hi Bob-

          In my opinion, to say it was all about keeping the south’s revenue stream coming to the North is oversimplification, and relies too much on conspiratorial impulse.

          The north bought the south’s cotton, so the economies were intertwined. Average people on both sides did not think much about slavery. Slave owners in the south had become dependent on one crop by choice, and wanted to maintain antebellum culture. Any threat to slavery would undermine their position and way of life.

          This motivation fueled the debate of States versus federal rights. Since the Revolution there’d been two camps. With the creation of the Constitution, states lost the ability to pick which rights and acts they would support, so the debate moved toward secession.

          The fight over new states escalated through the Missouri Compromise of 1820 (when Lincoln was 11), the Compromise of 1850, and the Kansas Act of 1854.

          Northerners became more polarized against slavery with the publishing of Uncle Tom’s Cabin, the Dred Scott case, and John Brown’s raid, and the passage of the fugitive slave act that held individuals responsible for harboring fugitive slaves even in non-slave states.

          By the time Lincoln was elected, things had come to a head. He was not pulled back into politics easily. South Carolina considered Lincoln anti-slavery and issued their “Declaration of the Causes of Secession.” Before Lincoln was even president, seven states had seceded from the Union: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas.

          That was the setting. Picture yourself in this incendiary situation. How would you have handled it? Personally, I don’t think any President in modern times would have fared better than Lincoln.

          Today’s issue with illegal immigration seems eerily similar. We have people talking about secession, even armed resistance. We have people saying give amnesty to the illegals. There were millions of slaves and there are millions of illegals. There are industries dependent on the labor costs of illegals today. The big difference is that illegals are integrated everywhere and surreptitious, and do not abide by the law of our land. Because our government is also not abiding by the law of the land in this matter, I support what Arizonans have duly decided.

      • Ellen

        Barbara: That was NOT why the civil war was fought. See Bob’s post below.

        I still maintain that secession may be a good option. From the top down, they do not listen to us and have no interest in it. Who really has the guts to actually stop paying taxes? Even if we did find the cajones to stop the extortion, they’d just print and borrow more and more and take the rest via inflation.

        I have the very uneasy feeling that obummer will, by whatever illegal means at his disposal, create amnesty for the millions of illegal aliens and continue to do nothing about the wide-open border and pass his crap and rape scheme that NO ONE who has any brains at all, wants.

        They’ve just passed the illegal “Disclose Act” in the House. If this passes in the Senate, what do we do? Continue to roll over and let them finish the destruction of the U.S. before anything MIGHT be done after November?

        What better solution can you come up with? I am interested in what you may suggest.

        • Allan

          There were multiple reasons for the Civil War. Barbara is right that secession was a major issue. As I explained above, seven states had already seceded before Lincoln took office. The alternative was two countries, one with slavery and one without, plus a patchwork of slavery or freedom in new states. I believe America would look more like Europe or the Balkans today if this had happened, and we would not be here talking about how to preserve the Constitution. As far as slavery goes, Lincoln opposed the Crittendon Compromise in 1860, which would have added six amendments to lock in slavery, one of them guaranteeing that slavery could never be terminated. I don’t know how anyone can read Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address or his 2nd Inaugural speech, two of the most important speeches ever given, and have any doubt about Lincoln’s overall position on slavery.

          As far as states seceding today, I see an out of control federal government creating this climate, and my reading of Lincoln is he would be sympathetic.

          One other interesting fact is that the liberal Democrats in the North who opposed the Civil War were not in favor of ending slavery. The push for abolition came from conservative Republicans.

    • bp

      Ellen; There is another way. We could stop the funding for all this madness; STOP PAYING ALL TAXES; a true Tea Party Rebellion. What would “they” do then? They can’t jail us all. :-(

      • DaveH

        Nice sentiment, BP, but most of us don’t pay our taxes directly.
        Even if we did, they would just run the money-printing presses and tax us the inflationary way.

    • 45caliber

      There was a push at one time (and may still be for all I know) to break up the US like Russia did. One of the main offical reasons was that we owed too much money and by dissolving the US the debt would simply vanish.

      The idea was not that each state would leave; it was that regions would. The breakup was something like: New England, the South, the Mid-West, the Southwestern states, the West Coast, the Northern states, and Texas. Several groups would also get their own countries; Alabama was suggested for the blacks, Florida for the Cubans, Arizona for the American Indians, etc.

      It takes three things for a country to be prosperous in our time now. Those are: a strong population, raw materials, and a strong military presence. Only Texas has all three although California does come close – just not as much raw materials.

      Luckily, I’m in Texas.

      • Allan

        How about we give progressives their fair share of land and money, take all their weapons away (since they believe in that), and then finish the border fence around their land, so that when they run out of money and ideas, they can’t steal any.

  • http://Personalliberty.com Ben Crystal

    Good morning all:

    Another salient point worth examination (another column begins to spin amidst my cobweb-cluttered mind, perhaps?)

    Illegal immigration contributed to a monstrous jump in the Phoenix/Tucson crime rate. Sheriff Joe Arpaio, for whom I have nothing but respect, engaged with every legal method at his disposal. Arpaio’s efforts were well-rewarded and deservedly celebrated.

    Except by the same wingnut leftists who now decry AZ1070.

    Food for thought, my friends. Dig in.

    Ben

    • JC

      Ben, that seems to be what too many overlook…Crime.
      The crime rate that comes with the Mexican Insurgency is overwhelming.
      And sinse when do Americans not have the right to live in a law abiding society? Sinse when do States not have the right to enforce law?
      The drug gang Zetas, is operating with impunity and we’re supposed to sit back and chant “Yes we can” and wait for the appearance of Hope and Change?
      I don’t think so.
      We Americans need to take charge of the situation as the White House
      has become an institute of the bizarre and the ridiculous.

    • bp

      Ben; This crime has seeped into all walks of life and all states. A friend of mine went to prison on trafficking/smuggling charges because the Mexican’s threatened to kill extended family. It is no joke. They have been filmed (hidden cameras) walking over the border with drugs strapped on their backs. Thank you for your articles and time.

    • eddie47d

      Ben: People who aren’t allowed to work and can’t collect unemployment will eventually become desperate and turn to crime. I’m surprised it’s not worse! You also mentioned prayer rugs in your original comment. Where’s the proof of this for if it is true then the border patrol or private citizen would have such evidence. Was it one or two or none? Is it a hoax,hype or recorded fact? Thank You

      • 45caliber

        People who DON’T work and draw welfare turn to crime to get extra money that won’t affect their welfare payments. Those who don’t now probably wouldn’t if they didn’t get paid. They would go to churches or family for help like they used to do. So I doubt if it would get any worse than it is now.

      • JC

        In a total fog.

      • JeffH

        fast eddie, just because you won’t or don’t know how to do research…this bud’s for you…catch up with the times my man…step up!

        TIJUANA, Mexico, Oct. 26, 2005
        Stopping Terror At The Border
        Officials Wary Of Illegal Immigrants From ‘High Risk’ Countries

        (CBS) The United States projects a record 4,000 immigrants from so-called “high risk” countries in the Middle East and Asia, will be arrested trying to enter the country illegally this year.

        Far more will get through. Add to that Mexico’s recent seizures of high powered weapons, including rocket launchers found in Tijuana, and U.S. officials fear a troubling new threat on our porous southern border, reports CBS News correspondent Bill Whitaker.

        “If it’s so simple for an uneducated, impoverished laborer to come across the border, think about how much easier it is for a highly trained, well financed terrorist,” warns T.J. Bonner, president of the Border Patrol union.

        Wouldn’t a terrorist know this is a porous border?

        “Of course,” replies Janice L. Kephart, former counsel to the 9/11 Commission.

        “Terrorists will use any means to get here. They are using alien smuggler and document forgers to help move people through Iran and Pakistan and it would only make common sense they would use it again to get in the United States,” Kephart says.

        On a visit to the Arizona border, Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo got a firsthand look at smuggling routes.

        “We’ve found copies of the Koran, we have found prayer rugs, we have found a lot of stuff written in Arabic, so it’s not just people from Mexico coming across that border,” Tancredo, a Republican, explains.

        The red flags are there. One Lebanese native living in Tijuana, convicted of smuggling 200 Lebanese into the United States, some with known ties to Hezbollah, which the United States considers a terror group.
        http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=983951n

        And after shutting down more than 30 drug tunnels under the Mexican border, authorities recently discovered the first ever under the Canadian border.

        • JeffH

          …just so you know, this is a CBS report…

          • eddie47d

            But Jeff, You never believe CBS or the other networks so why would you believe them now? Or are they your useful idiots when it suits you? As for Tom Trancredo there is nothing he says that I believe.Cow dung is more believable! Now I’m not dening the CBS report so don’t get your panties in an uproar.

      • Allan

        How in the hell do you function as a parent or leader of any kind if you can’t stand up for right and wrong? And how many prayer rugs would it take to change your world view? Answer: 0 x 0 = 0.

      • rwnut
    • 45caliber

      Many of those sneaking in come here with the intent to rob until they get enough money to retire and then go home. A friend of mine had his house robbed. About a month later he was asked to come and see if he could identify any goods of his. There were four large boxes of gold jewelry they had to go through. The crooks were saving the gold to take home with them.

      He was told that the criminals would be kept for about six months to close as many burglaries as possible and then sent back to where they came from at our expense. And they would immediately be turned loose. They would take a month or so to visit family and then sneak back across the border again. The police for forbidded to do anything else – unless they killed someone.

  • james

    Just put a couple of apache helicopters on the border to patrol it, that would scare anyone trying to cross.

    • JC

      The Kenyan, says “No we Can’t”

    • 45caliber

      Only if those helicopter pilots had permission to “discourage” anyone trying to cross. And at the moment, they can’t get that permission.

  • Wlmitch1

    The State of Arizona should assemble a well-regulated State Militia and place it under the control of Governor Jan Brewer. The Arizona State Militia should then overrun the section of Arizona that the Federal Government has advised U.S. Citizens not to enter. All the illegals should then be captured if possible. The Arizona State Militia should have orders to shoot to kill any illegals who threaten or attack them, since that would be an act of war against the State of Arizona, and ultimately, the United States of America. The Arizona State Militia should also patrol Arizona’s southern border with Mexico, and vigorously enforce border security.

    Those illegals who are drug dealers, drug runners, human traffickers, and gang members, should be tried for felonies in Arizona State Courts, sent to prison if convicted, and then bused to the border after they serve their sentences, and sent back across the border to Mexico. Illegals who are convicted of murdering U.S. Citizens should be executed. Terrorists should be handed over to the U.S. Military. All other illegals should be temporarily placed in detention camps until they can be sent back across the border to Mexico.

    If U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder sues the State of Arizona, then the State of Arizona should counter-sue the Federal Government for at least $250 billion for violating States’ Rights. If all four border states did all of the above, the Federal Government could potentially face lawsuits totalling $1 trillion.

    • 45caliber

      First, it is only money and the feds don’t worry about money. They just print more of it.

      Second, the Feds take the stand that if the person is from another country, it is illegal to defend yourself from them. The only one who can arrest and prosecute is the Feds – and they won’t. If you shot one of them, you can bet your least sentence would be life. They MUST show the other countries of the world that they have a great justice system here and that they are willing to protect the citizens of other countries should they “visit”.

  • thefedupamerican

    Well according to the news this week the whole point of the AZ law may become moot as Obama is apparently considering giving amnesty to all illegals via Executive Order. If that happens, the country is lost….

    • Barbara

      Well if the current occupier of the oval office does grant amnesty where will they live?
      The only place the illegals could live would be on federal lands.
      Unfortunately all federally owned lands are in the western states. Have you noticed that after a certain date all newly incorporated states had to give the federal government all lands not owned by private citizens. Which is why the eastern states do not have any federal lands. I digress.
      If amnesty occurs congress must immediately vote and rescind the executive order. Is this do able; I don’t know but it would an interesting case.

      • eddie47d

        They would live in the cities where they now reside or on the farms where they work. If they still have jobs.

      • 45caliber

        One of the big government costs each year is buying more land for the government. Guess why.

        • JC

          And sinse the government is in place merely to represent we the people…the land belongs to us. It’s public land.

          • 45caliber

            Not entirely. There are several “Wildlife refuges” in our area. Only special “volunteers” can enter. One group tried to get the government to buy up an additional 50,000 acres of “old timber” in this area and set it aside so ONLY their bird-watching club could enter it. They could more easily see the birds and could increase their club enrollment.

          • JC

            Hmmm…well,If the government, which produces nothing, uses our tax money to purchase land…they must be doing it on our behalf!
            There! lol ;)

  • Ms. Jones

    Bobby Jindal (Louisiana Governor) needs to take a page from Arizona Governor Jan Brewer’s playbook, instead of waiting for any help from this Administration. Until Obama stacks the Supreme Court, the nine Justices must uphold a state’s right to protect itself from federal incompetence and indifference.

  • Marilyn

    All November 2nd’s, VOTE! All American Citizens still have that FREEDOM. Some Citizens will vote for some senator who has been in office far too long and thinks he/she lives there. We NEED terms of office for all offices. The President’s office was limited to two terms. We can do the same for all who are supposed to represent and protect the people’s rights. No more wheeling-dealing Fat Cats on “Capitol Hill.” These people create legislature then expect the American Citizens to bail them out.

    I personally support Arizona’s new law! If other States do not have similar laws, then they need to get on board and follow Arizona’s lead.

    • 45caliber

      Just to make you happy, one of the Democratic Congressman has a bill in Congress to do away with the term limits on the President. He said that Oblama was doing such a good job that it was only fair to give him the opportunity to serve as long as he wanted to serve.

      • libertytrain

        Oh Lord, what a frightening thought.

      • JC

        Names Man! We need names!

      • angel-wanna-be

        45caliber, I heard about that sometime ago__May God Be With Us on that one and May he Forbid it!

  • hoss

    Debt we have and debt will increase! Sorrows we have and Sorrows will increase. Illegals and Liberals will continue to bleed the coffers of Government until America declares bankruptcy as a Country! Then our “beloved” government can re organize our currency to align with the rest of the world and enjoy their reign of the New World Order! right up until God wipes the smirk off the smiling faces of the infidels who have chosen mortal MAN as their king and saviour. While I and others who have trusted in a risen Saviour (Christ) should not be here for the destruction. Have hope! be glad! the end is near! Look up! for your redemption draweth nigh.

    • Jean

      Dear Hoss, I agree with all you said. This is Gods country and he is not going to let it fall completely. Yes there are hard times coming but if we trust in the Savior and do our best to please him, he will protect us and we can be happy no matter what happens. After all he is with those who love him.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Amen.

      • bp

        Jean and Angel-wanna-be; There are Christians committed to daily prayer for five months to “Turn The Tide”. Will you, too? II Chronicles 7:14

        • angel-wanna-be

          bp, I pray all the time, especially for America!

    • Dan-o

      The destuction is moving swift and we don’t like it. events are being put into play where there will be no turning back and we will complain, do what we can to slow the process, but in reality we are buried with debt and are so busy working long hours just to keep are heads above water, so yes all we can really do is pray that through this God will protect us from going through more than we can handle.
      As the end times may be near, the only important thing is to know where eternal life will be, so get your house in order and pack bags.
      oh ya you can’t take anything with you from this world so forget the bags.

      • 45caliber

        The indentured servants (slaves in the North prior to the Civil War) were kept as slaves until they paid off their “debt”. Supposedly it was seven years but the owners could go to court with faked up costs and get it changed. The servants were to pay off their costs of transportation to the New World – even if they didn’t volunteer to come here. And most didn’t. In actuality, they also had to pay off their food, clothing, shelter, etc. which the owner priced at 10-20 times the real value.

        We are basically in the same fix now. Either due to the “easy” credit that encourages us to borrow more now or to the government running us so deeply into debt and then telling us we have to pay it off, we are basically indentured servants.

        But only the workers are. Those on welfare or who work for the government in guaranteed jobs for the rest of their lives are not the ones who have to worry about it. The ONLY secure place to work is for the government since that is the only place you know they won’t fire you unless you shoot your boss.

    • eddie47d

      Tasteless comment for you really don’t know your Bible and are using it to mock others. The Bible says “to welcome strangers from other lands into your homes (community) and even feed them”. The Bible isn’t talking about someone who assults you or steals from you but for those in need. Liberals are Christians too and Jesus wasn’t so biased. So please don’t poison the well.

      • JC

        It also says an eye for an eye…

        • JeffH

          an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot

          • Kim McGough

            JC and Jeff H but, Jesus changed that teaching, and taught forgiveness even for your enemies

          • JC

            And I WILL forgive them…just as soon as they get back on their side of the line. But for now, I’m tired of the crime rate that arrived with these people and I think God should help sort them out…in Mexico.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Kim, as Christians, we are to pray for our enemies first.

      • 45caliber

        I’m sorry but I think you are NOT a Christian. You are just trying to belittle real ones. Go away.

      • bp

        eddie47d; What “tasteless comment”? What is the Bible reference? As always, you are short on facts.

        • eddie47d

          I quoted that verse about a month ago so it really doesn’t matter since no one pays attention. I’ll be in church tomorrow how about you?

      • Kim McGough

        Well Eddie you say liberals are christains too. Only God knows for sure, but when a person does not stand for what is right, and votes for things that the Bible teach against, or a political party that is opposed to Biblical princables, it would be very hard to consider them Christain

        • eddie47d

          Alot of Conservatives (dems and reps) vote for destructive wrong headed wars,corporate greed,abusing illegals in their business for profit,and look at all the environmental abuses.I don’t think any of those are supported in the Bible.

      • Allan

        Criminals and those in need can’t be separated when both ignore the law.

  • Ms. Jones

    “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

    2 Chronicles 7:14

    Is it too late?

    • Ruby

      I certainly hope not.

    • Ellen

      It is not to late, Christ even saved the one who repented on the Cross. I to know with Christ, we always have hope & salvation. Our lives/world need Prayer, we are not alone.

    • bp

      Jones; No. See comment to Jean and Angel-wanna-be; There are Christians committed to daily prayer for five months to “Turn The Tide”. Will you, too? II Chronicles 7:14

  • bob pa

    amen, but God determine when the end. and in his time which could be centuries or days. Till he does come we need to do what is right. when we stand up and throw out the quizzlings and traitors in office and return to operating under the constitution nothing is revlent because the constitution is a document written by God through the founding fathers. we have let God be removed from our government and we let it happen by voting for antiAmerican and antiGod politicians. November we need to do the right thing and throw out the bums. And impeach obame the pre antichrist.

  • chuck b

    anybody interested in barry soetoro’s religion should go to google type in: “egyptian foreign minister gheit/obama”

  • marvin

    Until the 1950s, there were no rules or guidelines outlining what the president could or could not do through an Executive Order. However, the Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution. Presidents since this decision have generally been careful to cite which specific laws they are acting under when issuing new Executive Orders,way i read this is the president can not make law

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. But that doesn’t mean he can’t try.

    • bp

      Marvin; Thank you. Best news/information I’ve heard in a long time.

  • Abisola

    Since the history of time, Africans and by extension African Americans have always been their own worst enemies! The only people who will suffer under this unfettered illegal immigration are African Americans like me who find it hard to obtain employment, because in Miami, the fact that I have a Master’s degree and I’m intelligent does not matter, I still have to be bilingual to get for a job that has nothing to do with dealing with Hispanics. SO I SAY TO ALL YOU STUPID AFRICAN AMERICAN BIGOTS OUT THERE, YOU ARE ALL FOOLS!

    I know that you are all bitter about the slavery thing, but if you know your history, you will know that slaves exist in Africa before the white men came Africa; Africans own fellow Africans and they sold them, just like the in times of Romans, etc. That is the history of Humanity. So get over it already!!! We are here now, and white Americans are making the effort at reconciliation and that is the only reason our incompetent brother got elected. And as you all accuse others of racism every time he is criticized (forgetting, that these same people voted for him) you make it impossible for another black man (including my son)to get elected president ever. And you are all complete idiots if you think that an Hispanic will ever vote for a black man over an Hispanic if that is the choice, unlike white people who picked our brother over the white candidate. You are bigger idiots for actively participating in the destruction of a country built on the the free labor, free blood and free sweat of our slave ancestors. YOU ARE HERE NOW, ACT LIKE YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND BREAK THE YOKE OF HATRED, UN-FORGIVENESS AND IGNORANCE. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

    • Ellen

      Oh I am so sorry for the picture that has been shown to America by what we are now seeing! Grudes, Hated, Racism, it is ALL so wrong. Yes, be THANKFUL for what you have and where you are at! Color? don’t look twice, it is what a personis on the inside that counts.

    • 45caliber

      Abisola: Bless you and I hope you can find a job soon. You are correct. As one history professor told my class – before PC – the slaves here were slaves in Africa for as much as 3000 years before they were sold to come here. And, since they came here, they were taken care of by their masters, then by share-cropping, and finally by welfare. The sad thing is that too many of them have NEVER made an important decision on their own.

      • bp

        Abisola and 45caliber; Slaves were given the option to return to Africa after the CIVIL WAR and made the decision to stay here. So I say, get over it already! It’s not always about you.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Abisola__Truley a Great Post!__ God’s prayer & Speed in finding a job my friend!

    • Ray

      That sounds sorta Uncle Tomish to me. I don’t know who made you the voice of black America but you have a lot of nerve defending a race of people who committed some of the most heinous and atrocious crimes against humanity in history. Sure I’ll forgive them for they know not what they do, but until I’m regarded as an equal human being and racism and discrimination truly disappears I ain’t forgetting a damn thing. Let me rape, beat, whip, torture and dehumanize you and after a few weeks ask your children to forget all about it what I did to you. Er, sorry I was wrong. Didn’t mean. She was just another Nword. No big deal. Riiiight.

      It should have never happened. Since it did don’t tell me not to mention anything about slavery and its repercussions, especially when I am not truly fully accepted to participate in this society. Oppression still exists today for black folks. Our civil rights were supposedly fully granted about 50 years ago. Really! Oh, and that “You can go to Africa” garbage isn’t a solution either. Miss me with that. My ancestors helped build this country with their blood, sweat and tears without pay. It’s just as much my country as it is any other race.

      Tell me that everything that has happened to black folks up until now is our own fault and I’ll tell you a liar and the truth is not in you. You have no idea how despised we are by some people in this country. Stop blaming black folks for all that is wrong in America. Hypocrites. According to you I guess we need to stop talking about Jesus Christ too, and forget about him being crucified and dying on the cross for all of our sins. Remember this while you’re trying to forget American history. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. What goes around comes around.

  • marvin

    any lawyers out their ready to file suit in the courts agin,ts the know it all do nothing blunder in chief i an,t rich but less get it on, i will give,we can talk a good talk but will we put our money were the fight is,if obama, holder, and nepolitano won,t enforce our law less take them to court,sometimes you got to do more then talk and vote

  • marvin

    come on people don,t put of tell nov 2010 what we can do to day, email, call or write fax your rep ever day,if they are doing what you like thank then if not let them know and don,t beat around the bush say you vote yes for something i don,t like i vote no for you in nov, i call or email or fax all 3 my of my reps just about ever day speak up be bold be heard

  • Rsgoeman

    It’s time to remember history. In the 1700′s & 1800′s the Mexicans owned this territory & we white people came in & bought land in this god forsaken desert. The mexicans started to steal it back even then, which is why we had a war with them. ( REMEMBER THE ALAMO!) we won that battle, then bought the land ( desert) from the Mexican government. NOW after 100+ years America has developed the land into something useful & Mexico is now trying to steal the land & buildings back to them. IF we do end up giving it back to them, it should be in the condition we got it, burned to the ground!!!

    • eddie47d

      Too many are still fighting the battle of the Alamo.That may be good for feeling patriotic and yes it was an amazing fight. Unfortunetely neither side can claim too much moral victory. Mexico owned or controlled 11 states and allowed Europeans and Americans to settle on their lands. They even gave newcomers citizenship. These newcomers kept on coming and overwhelmed the few services that the Mexican govt. had to offer. Some pioneers took land and even killed Mexican landowners. This went back and forth until a war started. Most of America was forged by taking other peoples land,except maybe when we bought Alaska from Russia. The French took the Louisiana Territory from the Indians and we ended up buying that too. So we bought stolen land and that’s the way it was done. Like most Countries we have an ugly side to our history and frame it to our own goodness. I don’t see any sign that Mexico wants to take those 11 states back and even with Mexican Americans and illegals living in those states. These states will always be apart of the U.S.A.

    • Barbara

      What is funny about this is the Mexican is a mix of different ethnic backgrounds. He is Native Indian, Spanish, African and Chinese. Oh yes. This part of the heritage is very well document in Gavin Makenzi’s book “1421″.
      So for the Mexican to demand that his homeland be returned to him, which one?
      Texas fought for its independence from Mexico and was an independent nation for 11 years. If Texas wanted they could reinstate it’s independent sovereignty. They have precedence for that. That would be a kick LOL! ! !

      • 45caliber

        As a Texan, we fought and won. BUT that ALSO includes all those who were known as “Mexican” prior to the war. If you ever visit the Alamo, read the list of names of those who died there defending it. Nearly half have Spanish surnames. These people for the most part retained their lands. In the few cases where others came in and killed them for it, those people were shot or hanged as needed.

        But Texas, despite stories, has no more right to leave the union than any other state. The right to do so was on the original papers sent to Washington, but when Washington made a counter offer it was WITHOUT that clause – and most of those in Austin at the time accepted payment to sign them without that clause. Saddly. Otherwise I think Texas would have long ago gone its seperate way. And I suspect it will sooner or later in the future.

  • DaveH

    Speaking of the Federal Government not enforcing legitimate laws, I am wondering if others notice how the Liberals have turned morality upside down? For instance, they will pass laws to protect us from ourselves (healthcare for instance), but they will ignore situations where other people are trespassing on our bodies and property.
    The reason that comes to my mind is that somebody recently tried to charge something fraudulently to my credit card account. While talking to the credit card agent, the subject of Identity Theft Protection came up. So they have this whole industry set up for us to pay for protection from trespassers on our accounts and lives. So where are the Feds in all this? We pay a fortune in taxes and they can’t even catch and prosecute Identity Theives. How hard can that be? I mean the thieves must have to give their delivery addresses for many if not most purchases (especially online purchases) or other such fraud.
    In my mind, Government has become all about pushing around the good citizens and going easy on the bad ones.
    Vote Libertarian!
    http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • DaveH

      After reading Ben’s article, another thing came to mind. Here is Obama not performing his real duties as President (executing the law) but performing things that aren’t in his job desription as President (being judge and jury to BP).
      Welcome to the upside down world of chaos prescribed by Liberals.

      • Elle

        AMEN!! He is a disgrace & HATES America.

      • JeffH

        High treason for crimes against America!

    • 45caliber

      Dave: Laws are supposed to be inacted to protect us from the aggression of others. That may be other countries or someone who breaks into you house to steal.

      They have NEVER been supposed to protect you from yourself. But the helmet law (which keeps getting overturned due to this) and the seat belt law are designed to do just that. In fact, they can be used to provide a procedance. And if they can prove they have the right to protect us from ourselves, they have the same right to decide where we shall live, where we shall work, and who we shall marry. After all, aren’t those the three biggest problems you have during life? And we all make mistakes sooner or later.

    • Kim McGough

      Yes and they call good evil and evil good

    • Allan

      Yes. It is upside down. It was very eye-opening for me to deal with an employee lawsuit in California. The employee committed several kinds of fraud against my company. California law gave the employee the advantage at every step. The same happened in the 70′s, when I tried to fight for child custody in California. A vast percentage of the law is there because the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Unfortunately, good, traditional, law-abiding Americans were generally raised not to complain. But progressives have awakened and reminded us that we now need to emulate our forefathers.

  • Rick

    Bob,
    The link in your email letters to be removed is just text and not a link at all.
    But if you’d rather not receive them, click here.
    This was cut and pasted from the email.

  • 45caliber

    The first step to solving a problem is identifying the problem. Our problem here are the number of illegal aliens from ALL countries slipping across the Mexican border into the US. A secondary problem is what to do with the ones who slipped across.

    I heard one story about the number of prayer rugs found thrown aside just this side of the border. Each prayer rug represents a Islamic worshipper who is sneaking in.

    Oblama and friends, on the other hand, consider the main problem the people who are here who can’t vote for them legally. So whatever they do to solve that problem is far more important than stopping other prospective voters from entering the country illegally – even is some of those “prospective voters” are actually terrorists hoping to leave holes in pavements around the country – such as New York City.

  • Delores Smith

    BILL CHRYSTAL – EXCELLENT ARTICLE – THANK YOU…

    AMERICANS: I live in Arizona. It has just been reported on the news that the drug cartel in Mexico have rifles pointed at our Border Patrol. They intend to sniper fire the Border Patrol.

    Mr. Obama, if any of your staff is reading this, they need to let you know, you are totally out of line. You will never instill fear in American citizens. Keep in mind that this will all be a part of your history that your children will have to read. Can you justify to your children what you are doing…here in Arizona and in the Gulf?
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

    • Barbara

      If I were the governor of AZ I would have the military go out with the boarder patrol with bazookas. Machine guns work good also.

      • 45caliber

        I prefer the drones armed with missiles. Preditors, I think they are called. Then the pilot can sit somewhere in an air conditioned office and take care of them without ever going outside.

        • JC

          You know what I don’t like about those 45? They can be used on Americans too.
          I’d rather see some of our best and well trained out there whispering in their ear just before the lights go out.

    • WarriorH

      Go Dolores!

    • angel-wanna-be

      Delores Smith__You Go Girl!!

  • WarriorH

    Anyone see New Jersey Gov Chris Cristy on Cavuto last night? That guy is impressive!

    • angel-wanna-be

      WarrorH, Been listening to him every chance I get__He’s got a lot testicular fortitude and I love it!___I hope I see a future President there?!?

  • JeffH

    WarriorH, Gov. Chris Christie got a good bit of views during the election and a real man of and for NJ and the citizens of NJ…can stand up to the scrutiny and meet it head on. I’ve heard him say…”bring it on” several times, most recently to an upset teacher’s union member in DC more concerned about future pay increases…New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says he plans to cut the state’s education budget by $820 million. His big target: teacher pay and benefits.

    “Is it fair to have any public employees getting 4- to 5-percent salary increases every year, even when inflation is zero percent, paid for by citizens struggling to survive?” Christie asked. “Is it fair to have New Jersey taxpayers foot the bill for 100 percent of the health insurance costs of teachers and their families from the day they are hired until the day they die?”

    • WarriorH

      And he also brought up one of my favorite issues (that I have previously commented on) regarding these clowns that get elected to congress that believe the reason they are there is to create and pass new laws. Cristy says there are already sufficient laws on the books, we just have to enforce them.

      I freaken agree 100% – There should be a damn moratorium on any new laws until every freaken law currently on the books is reviewed and jettisoned, left alone or amended. And they can start with the stupid insane tax code.

      • JeffH

        Might make a wonderful president someday soon…?

      • Ellen

        I’ve been saying that for some time. I went to the Colorado state gov page and looked at the astounding numbers of laws that are continually passed……and this is just at the state level. There are so many laws that every day we break laws just doing normal everyday things. This is utter garbage. I second the idea that every law needs to be examined and compared to the Constitution. Dump most of them because they are not legal. These so-called representatives of the people have the idea that it is their right to continue this charade that passes for governing.

        Get rid of all the parasites.

  • FreedomFighter

    A country without borders is not a country.

    A country without a central- single language fails … always. Tower of Bable example anyone?

    IMHO:
    Mass migration into the USA is illegal, and unwanted because it circumvents integration into American Culture. This mass migration has also given Marxist Progressive Liberals and Communists a platform for spewing hate under the guise of “social justice”, because the focus group is scared and will flock to anyone helping them get what they want.

    Our illegal friends would be wise to remember why they came to America:

    Freedom, opportunity and the American Dream, by supporting the Marxist Progressive liberal/Communist they will destroy the very system that convinced them to come here.

    They could bring about a change in America that will enslave them and destroy the very Freedom they seek.

    FF

    • 45caliber

      You are wrong about most of them coming here. They come to get rich (by the standards of their country) and then go home to retire. The goal for most Mexicans is $100,000 in a bank on the American side of the border since they can cross readily to do business there. It generally takes them about 7-10 years since they buy TWO sets of ID papers – one to work on and one to draw welfare. They switch papers every six months and file two income tax returns at the end of the year, both showing being on welfare for six months. That way they not only get all tax back but also get Earned Income Credits.

      This will give them enough money to get a nice villa and retire while hiring a maid/cook and a gardener. And the more the peso inflates, the more money they have.

      • bp

        45caliber; How do you know this?

      • Allan

        True. And there are plenty of lawyers who make money counseling illegals in these practices.

  • http://PersonLibertyDigest Dee

    We have laws in this country regarding immigration and this damn government is doing nothing about it. The majority of the people do not want ANOTHER amnesty. This administration does not seem to care that these illegal immigrants are killing our citizens, killing their livestock, bringing illegal drugs into this country. When is it going to stop. I could go on and on, but it would take too long.
    What part of illegal doesn’t the damn government understand?

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Andrea

    Ginger;

    See no reason why The Americas cannot go back to a more American
    time if united we stand. Due to so much diversity, America has
    become divided. Not the plan of our founders. Probably would
    work out better if states governed themselves. Fed gov too big
    and complicated and most definitely corrupt.

    GOD, GOD, GOD, bless America and it’s citizens and wildlife.. Biology
    professor told me once, when one species disappears from the planet,
    upsets the whole balance of nature and we are part of the balance.
    The masses. Vaguely recall your time. Good times. Happier times.
    Family albums corroborate the facts.

  • http://twitter.com/shose4568/ Lillia Genga

    After receiveing the $eighty five quote to restore my aging Polaris cleaner I knew it was time for a new one. With all of the incentives on the 380 or 3900 I used to be going to go along with the 380 which was truly cheaper (after incentives) than the 280 but I started asking around – mostly pool professionals – and all (8 for eight) recommeneded the 280 even when the worth have been higher.

    • bp

      Lillia; what?????????

  • http://n/a J. Escalante

    Wow: I can smell the racism on some of the articles I just read, Eduardo do you noticed some of them call the Latinos Mexicans ignoring there are some more Countries beyond Mexico, but I tell you when they go for a out Dinner ( even at Taco Bell or others places ) they ask for Couple Carne Asada Tacos. don’t worry Eduardo you are right; I’m really glad is just a few people on this Country like them.
    My intention is not arguing, just making an short comment.
    Everybody have a good night.

    • bp

      Escalante; Please go home!?

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Andrea

    No tacos or whatever for me. Do not eat GMO.

  • Bob Wire

    darn right, it’s a racially charged issue.

    Not all American’s are like myself, use to working in a multicultural working environment or setting. Having to listen to as many as three separate languages spoken all at once. While I’m use to it, it’s still a pain in the a$$ets.

    and it only works well in degrees.

    I was just reading the GOP is still blocking any and all legislation addressing unemployment while far too many Americans are out of work.

    Leaving Americans to compete with undocumented labor and that creates racial tension.

    People will say, Americans don’t want these jobs!

    I say, True ! But someone has got to do them!

    and if undocumented labor wasn’t there! was not an option, these jobs would be made “MORE DESIRABLE” by the people who offer them. Creating a meaningful employment.

    Today, we can all go get three jobs! and enjoy working while you starve to dead.

    It is in this fashion, undocumented labor brings down labor prices across the board, making everyone share the burden of social inequality.

    Then to add insult to injury, undocumented labor strains local social services that often times they’ve contributed little too.

    It’s a hell of a pickle we find ourselves in today.

    It’s going to reach a point that it will start Americans to migrate, looking for some place better, just like their undocumented counterparts.

    SB1070, is something I hate to see happen and don’t agree with but it is a place to start the engines of change. I just don’t want to see racist mob rule. If these does happen, I too will oppose this bill.

    Our problems today are many. ~ But I just want to ask everyone one thing!

    Federal taxes today are as low as they have ever been. The most wealthy have enjoyed tax cut starting with Reagan and then with Junior claiming these cuts would increase private growth and create “JOBS”

    I want to know where are they! If you don’t want government to lead us out of this mess, with incentives and programs, ~ that leaves it to the private sector to do!

    Where are they? and why can’t they step forward today? There is plenty of work that needs to be done. Why aren’t we doing it?

    The GOP/ RNC, needs to lead, follow or get to heck out of the way ~ doing nothing and preventing “action” is not leadership.

    That they think, they can stall any progress, hoping for later political gains while America burns to the ground really chaps my butt.

    It is urgent that American’s become engaged in meaningful employment Today! Not next year but today.

    This SB1070 is just part of a bigger picture.

    • Allan

      Bob-

      The jobs are waiting until businesses feel it is reasonable to take risks. When they see more spending, taxes, and debt looming, the uncertainty makes them cut back. No speeches are going to change this. The “action” that is needed from Congress and the President is restraint, and sufficient evidence that government can manage its own finances.

  • GRAMSEY

    I AM BOYCTTING TACOS AND ANY TRIP TO MEXICO

  • Marsue

    Bob Wire wrote: “People will say, Americans don’t want these jobs! I say, True ! But someone has got to do them!”
    Actually, you are wrong, Bob. There are no jobs Americans or Canadians won’t do! Horrendous, poisonous, dangerous, dull, pointless jobs–we’ll do ‘em. The only thing is: we want to be paid a liveable wage for doing them. I feel sorry for economic refugees, but they have to stay in their own countries to solve their problems. When they come into ours, they lessen our opportunities to get decent wages for those jobs we refuse to do until we do get those decent wages. By taking those jobs at the wages we won’t work for, they have effectively stymied any chance of decent pay for them. Immigrants who will work for poor pay are ruining the chance of decent pay for all. They are scabs–job stealers. The world is overpopulated, and we in North America cannot continue to take the overflow from places where birth control is not practiced. The planet is finite. Humans are taking up space other species need to exist for us to exist, too.

    • JC

      Absolutely agreed. If the Feds would get their mitts off of industry and do the job they were mandated to do, there would be a whole lot more money to pay Americans.
      It is this way because they “want” it this way.

  • http://www.americansoldierswife.com Ann Lindholm

    Ben, great article and so well written. I always enjoy a little humor on the side with the plate of BS handed me each day by this socialist government, forcing me to eat it. The humor makes me feel a little better about it. In all sincerity, excellent work. Thank you for all you do.

    Ann Lindholm

  • Angel

    If Obama tries the race card, he will be sticking his foot in his mouth again. He says united but divides. Under his presidency, he has succeeded in dividing States. And if he tries the race card, he will be diving again, however he can’t use the race card – which race is he going to use? The race card was not played during the election. Is he going to use the race card as a tissue because he didn’t get his way. Who is Obama working for? Mexico has been invading us since the 70s and now that we have been invaded, they intend to fight us for States that they feel we stole from them. I am glad to read that Obama cannot issue an Executive Order. We as Americans, no matter what race, need to stick together. A war would be a rude awakening, however it will be karma. Perhaps, the problem with the boarder along with the illegals is what we need for our Country to finally do better for us.

  • eddie47d

    Dave H. 6-24 1:36pm; Did anyone force your ancestors to come to America and exploit those who were already here. Original Natives didn’t ask you relatives to come here either.So what’s your useless point? You’ve been bashing immigrants for quite some time now and even Chinese,yet you say liberals hate immigrants. Nothing could be farther from the truth so that must be more of your Orwellian World double speak.

  • eddie47d

    Time,June 24 5:59pm; Your quote “aids was “invented” by progressives and injected into blacks” Your way too busy rewriting history with your wild dilusional stories. The 1st case of aids was found in Kenya back in the 60′s. So your saying someone in America went over there and injected blacks and caused the aids epedemic!!? Your brain has turned to mush and that happens to aids patients. Then again you denied your ancestrial history because “you are only an American and have no past”. To bad you’re so ashamed of where you came from for it is never wrong to look back on the struggles and history of where are relatives came from. My grandparents don’t hate “old” Sweden, Denmark and Germany it’s just that circumstances brought them to America and they became very grateful for that. They don’t deny their past and act like it never happened but still look forward to the future.

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