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The Federal Reserve’s War On The Dollar

November 12, 2010 by  

The Federal Reserve’s War On The Dollar

Hark! What’s that sound we hear? Why it’s the U.S. cavalry, in the form of 60 new conservative Congressmen riding to our rescue. Just wait until they get to Washington and start changing things.

Oh, wait! There’s another sound coming over the horizon. What is that? Why, it’s dozens of black helicopters, getting reading to fulfill Ben Bernanke’s prediction that he would drop money from the sky, if necessary, to get our sagging economy going again. Watch out! Some $850 billion will start cascading down on our heads.

But enough of the metaphors: Let me make my point as simply and directly as I can. The French have a phrase that applies here: plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. It means “the more things change, the more they stay the same.”

I wish I could tell you that the elections 10 days ago will transform Washington into a place that never spends more money than it takes in; that never tries to bend the Constitution to permit government to do something our Founding Fathers would abhor; that never tries to wheel and deal for another piece of pork.

Folks, if you think that day has arrived, I’ve got some swampland in Florida I want to sell you. It could become your own beachfront paradise. Sure it could.

A few days before the election, I had the privilege of interviewing former Majority Leader Dick Armey. I have admired him for more than two decades. The first time I introduced him at a conference, he was a freshman Congressman who was sleeping on a cot in his office three nights a week; he flew home to Texas the other four nights.

Dick Armey gave up his powerful post in Congress because he was tired of government growing ever bigger and more wasteful, no matter what he did. He describes a “politics of corruption” fueled by billions (and now trillions) of your tax dollars. But while he’s left Congress, he hasn’t left the battle. He currently serves as chairman of FreedomWorks, one of the inspirations behind the Tea Party movement that led to many dramatic victories on Nov. 2.

“When I came to Washington back in the ’80s,” Armey told me, “entitlements came to 15 percent of the Federal budget. All the rest — some 85 percent — was discretionary spending we could argue about changing.”

Ah, but how different things are now. Today, he said, “85 percent of the Federal budget is entitlements — things that are set in law and can’t be changed, except to go higher.”

His next statement stopped me cold: “If we eliminated every single item that is discretionary today — cut all of them to zero — we would still run a deficit.”

Even if Congress wanted to, it will be almost impossible to roll back Federal spending to where it was before Barack Obama took office. But getting back to the pre-George Bush days is a pipe dream. It won’t happen.

Yes, it is true that every spending bill must originate in the House of Representatives, as I said last week. It is the House, not the Senate or the President, that must authorize every single dollar the Federal government spends. If the House says “no mas,” the money won’t be available. It’s as simple as that.

At the same conference where I interviewed Armey, I also had the opportunity to hear Fox News commentator and syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer. And let me tell you, if you think he appears smart on TV, he is even more brilliant in person. The crowd was hanging on his every word.

During a Q&A afterwards, I asked Krauthammer if it wasn’t true the House controlled the Federal government’s purse strings. And that if it refused to authorize an expenditure, it couldn’t happen. Period.

While he agreed with my understanding of what the Constitution says, he made it clear that he disagreed with my suggestion. He thought it would be disastrous if the new deficit hawks in the House simply cut off Federal spending for unpopular measures.

He reminded the audience of the time when the then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich shut down the government during the Bill Clinton Administration. “Republicans lost that battle,” Krauthammer said. “I’d hate to see them try it again.”

I’m not convinced they shouldn’t try. I’d love to see some battles rage over some of the most outrageous Federal expenditures. But I wouldn’t expect to win many of them. Consider: If the House does try to roll back spending, what happens next? The bill goes to the Senate, which will still be under the control of liberal Democrats.

In fact, here’s an interesting footnote to all the conservative victories on Nov. 2: The Democrats who won included some of the staunchest leftists in either branch of Congress. It was mostly the more conservative Democrats who lost.

Yes, while the Republican side of the House will be more conservative than it’s been in decades, the Democrat side of the aisle will be even more liberal. Hard to believe? Just wait and see.

But let’s say enough Democrats can be found in the Senate to join their Republican colleagues in taking a slice or two out of gargantuan government. It hasn’t happened in the past — even the funding for the ludicrous “bridge to nowhere” got 82 votes. But let’s say it happens this time. Then what?

Do you honestly believe that Obama won’t veto that bill so quickly you’ll need a high-speed camera to record it? While our spender-in-chief has apologized profusely for the “shellacking” his party got a week ago Tuesday, have you heard him mutter even one word of regret that it was his policies the electorate was rejecting? Me neither. All I’ve heard is his rather extraordinary defense that the majority of voters were too stupid and too scared to appreciate all that his administration has done for them.

So now what? Well, not only will Federal spending remain at astronomical levels, the Federal Reserve is piling on more — a lot more. Bernanke’s “quantitative easing” is nothing more than “creating money out of thin air.” Just how much will the Fed create? Some $600 billion in new credits, plus another $250-300 billion rolled over from last year.

I used to be naïve enough to believe that the primary job of a nation’s central bank was to defend its country’s currency. Everyone in Washington used to pay lip service to this idea, even though it was an open secret that the Fed was doing no such thing. The Fed was an active participant with the U.S. Treasury in the plot to devalue the dollar. But now it’s not even a secret — Bernanke openly boasts about what the Fed is doing.

Helicopter Ben says the Fed wants to push inflation higher. I have no doubt it will succeed. When it does, what will that mean for the dollar? Its value will fall like a brick dropped off the roof. It makes us want to shout, “Watch out below!”

Yes, watch out. Watch out for the falling dollar. Watch out for the purchasing power of every dollar-denominated asset you own shrinking even more. And watch out for the minuscule interest you’ll earn on your savings.

By the way, we can’t blame Obama for foisting Bernanke on us. Remember who first made him chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers? And later appointed him to the Federal Reserve?

It was none other than Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush. It makes me want to say, “Thanks a bunch, George. Thanks for opening the floodgates to the most destructive wave of government spending history has ever seen.”

That’s enough of the financial wars for today. We’ll return to the political wars next week.

Until then, remember to keep some powder dry.

— Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Dan az

    Gee thanks chip for the high light of my day!Isnt there a square on this monopoly board that says go to jail?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Dan az,
      I think that square is called the constitution!!!!

      • viktor leben

        Hark! What’s that sound we hear?

        It’s the sound of 150 million armed AMERICANS marching on WASHINGTON DC !

    • Al Sieber

      Dan, how long do you think the economy will last? another year or two? regular gas went up to $2.69, up .05 cents. I guess we’ll know when we’re in full hyperinflation, they’re doing it gradually so we don’t know so pay attention.

      • DaveH

        Prices would be skyrocketing, Al, if we weren’t in a recession. People are sitting on their money, afraid to spend it as a result of the uncertainty we now face. But eventually, bad economy or not, they will tire of that and start spending. Once the prices start rising noticably, there will be a panic rush to buy hard assets while their cash money is still worth something, and we will see inflation that will scare even Jimmy Carter.

        • Karolyn

          The retailers reported sales up yesterday. The big chains are hiring more seasonal workers for the holidays than last year. WalMart is offering free shipping with online sales. Sears will be open on Thanksgiving. They are pulling out all the stops and are all very optimistic.

          • Bob Wire

            yea Karolyn, I noticed.

            Doesn’t this Christmas Holiday Retail push usually start the day “after” Thanksgiving?

          • Karolyn

            Bob – They keep starting earlier and earlier. There were Christmas items out even while Hlloween stuff was featured. Actually, some stores had a new “Black Friday” last week or the week before to try to generate sales. Stuff is so cheap anymore with all the sales, it’s nuts.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Odd morning question floating through my head over coffee: What do toasters, fly-swatters, and the Fed have to do with one another?

            I recall I tried to make toast during a visit from my sister awhile back, it came out burnt on one side, cold bread on the other. I simply eat cold bread for breakfast these days, telling myself it saves on electricity.

            “WalMart is offering free shipping with online sales.”

            Yeah, I saw that too, Karolyn. I thought, change one letter–so they were offering “free shopping”–I still wouldn’t get excited. Same with Sam’s Club or Costco, etc.

            In fact, if I had my druthers (I don’t, anymore, it simply isn’t possible) I wouldn’t go into any store selling goods from outside US borders. Except maybe Switzerland, they make good chocolate and knives. And Mexico, no one makes better tequila.

            But “Buy American!” doesn’t make a lot of sense anymore because it doesn’t mean what it used to. I grew up in a family of eight, using the same American-made toaster for 16 years. I defy any family of three to get three years use from any Chinese toaster sold in WalMart today. True American firms aren’t just fighting a price war, they’re fighting a quality war. No American company can any longer make dependable, durable goods here because they’d go out of business long before the warranty on the first item sold expired.

            My family had the same refrigerator for as long as the toaster, no repairman ever came to our house. I actually own a 1956 Jeep, built in Ohio when I was seven, which I use as a work truck, the thing’s unkillable. My father’s workshop was outfitted with tools he inherited from his father, screwdrivers and hammers with solid wood and steel handles, sturdy crescent wrenches, tin snips, wood planes and saws and such. I’ve no idea where my grandfather got them, perhaps from my great grandfather. But they were all made in America, by and for a growing people who needed durable tools.

            No one in this country, it appears, is any longer capable of manufacturing a fly-swatter which works. How can we expect “our” financial system to work if we cannot properly design, engineer, and produce reliable fly-swatters? (I am not kidding, these new pieces of crap work about half the time–the wire bends and the plastic warps.)

            But…our current monetary system was–and is–not “Made in America” any more than my now semi-useless toaster and fly-swatter were. “Our” financial system is a con to keep us crawling back for more, just like these crappy tools keep us coming back to the company store.

            Instead of dependable, independent American solutions, we have foreign, global “solutions” designed to make and keep us utterly dependent. Upon whom?

            Cui bono? Ultimately, European Ashkenazi-Zionist bankers obviously, though we’re no longer permitted to suggest this out loud.

            Between Chinese manufacturing and European financial interests, Americans are being whip-sawed into becoming a third-world nation.

            You can take that to the bank.

          • independant thinker

            Average Joe, You can still find quality American or European made hand tools but you really have to look for them. You can also get an old fashioned fly-swatter from a mail order catalogue I receive. Lodge still makes cast iron cookwear in the US and there are some toys and other things made in the USA but like I said about the tools they are hard to find.

          • REJ

            We should all just cave in and be in a perpetual state of Christmas celebration. Hell, just be on perpetual
            vacation so you can be on the Gubment dole. Its what they are going to do to us whether we like it or not.
            There is no way out of this no matter how much you scream about the Constitutionality of anything. I am so sick of having to take this holiday or that holiday.

          • Granny Mae

            REJ,

            You figured it out ! If they can convince you to do all the things they say then you will end up on welfare quicker and be subject to Soros ! He is the one pulling the strings and it is a game to him ! He says he really enjoys watching people do his bidding ! My determination is not to do his bidding now or ever ! I spend my money the way I want and right now I want to put aside a food supply and make sure my bills are paid. I have enough clothing to get me by for at least a year and before I’m done I will have enough material to make what ever I need after that. I have a family of four and iif the S.H.T.F I may have one or two possibly three extra, so I’m planning now and getting ready. I’m spending but only on the stuf that can work for in the month or possibly years ahead. I am not going to do what the government says because I know they are wrong and I am right ! You just hang in there too and do what you know is right and we will all be lright ! Chin up !

        • Al Sieber

          DaveH, prices would be going up by the day or hour I’m sure.

          • Denniso

            Gas went up a nickel? Have you forgotten that under Bush and a yr or so before the crash we had gas prices up above $4/gal in most places and pushing $5 in some? Was that inflationary and why weren’t you complaining about the Bush administration and their policies? Where was the tea party at a time when the hard working middle class and poor were funneling hundreds of billions of $$ into the coffers of Exxon,etc???

        • Granny Mae

          Dave H

          I don’t know what we are expected to buy? I buy the same things I have always bought. The things I need and pay my bills, but I guess we are supposed to go out and spend foolishly and buy things as though we were rich. What the government is telling us to do is impulse shop ! It doesn’t matter if you don’t need something go ahead and buy it anywat ! Sorry Mr. “O” but that is not the way sane people do things !

          • Richard Pawley

            It’s not a matter or IF but of when. That’s what I wrote in “The Last Days of the Late Great United States.” No one in the know believes it can be stopped but I believe it can be slowed down. The tripling of food and other prices is still coming but as you say, preparation is the key. In answer to your question further down it is possible that we will a new gold standard but it will be an international currency (and I don’t know if it will be the first, only that it will be – in my opinion – eventually a necessity). There will be a lot of suffering around the world as those who play with collapsing countries to remake them to their hearts desire eventually collapse the whole system. It surely seems that they will suffer to but maybe they think their great money will save them. I have read that George Soros has sold much of his American stock holding and bought several hundred million dollars worth of gold. Not much we can do about any of this but encourage those we just elected to not get pulled into the status quo that is congress, and to do as you are doing, thinking like a pioneer, buying in quantity (as it’s cheaper) canning, and making sure you have non-hybrid or heirloom seeds so they will reproduce and make seeds. I have a hunch the world will soon see the difference between those who believe and trust in God and those who figure their own wisdom is sufficient. I think we are on the same page as far as that goes. Are you familiar with making sprouts? I have been reading about sprouts lately and how beneficial they are to rounding out an emergency food set-up for vitamins and minerals. Sounded like worth learning more. Regards, R

          • Granny Mae

            Richard,

            Yes I am familiar with sprouting. I have used sprouts for years. I like them!!! They are wonderful for rounding out a persons health. I am worried though that a lot of those beginning to store food may not be giving enough thought to how much it takes to feed their family a month and how to figure caloric needs and combining foods for nutrition. I wonder if they realize that when they start using their food storage they should begin to ration that food and not try to eat as they are use to. Lots to think about, but I am so glad to hear and see so many finally doing something about it. It is never too late to start. I would like to get your book. I would be interrested in what you have to say and think of all this. We may not agree on everything but that is alright because I am always open to learn from others when ever I can. The problem is I may learn something I don’t really want to know ! I have finally gotten through to my granddaughter. She just got married this year and is expecting a baby next year! All of a sudden the things that granny has been trying to teach and tell her have a new meaning and she is working with a frenzy to stock up for her new family. She told me last night that she fell asleep on the couch the other night and just kept hearing her granny’s voice over and over telling her to stock up. LOL ! She said she woke up with a start and got up and told her husband we are going in to town and I’m going to get some things to start putting away for hard times! Her hubby said Oh granny is getting to you too huh? She said yes and he said me too ! They went shopping and came home and called me to tell me what they got and was it good? I told them they did a wonderful job and just keep up the good work! She is coming over this Sunday for me to teach her how to use her dehydrator and canner ! We just have to keep encouraging everyone to do what they can!

            I hope your wrong on a one world currency because I believe itt would make it easier for people like Soros to control everything ! We will see !

      • Bob Wire

        We were paying 3.68 per gallon as recent as 3 years ago. So I’m not sure what a nickle increase might mean today.

        As far as any Calvary to the rescue from Freshman, forgive me if I question your enthusiasm.

        As it’s recently came to my attention my self proclaimed “Conservative” Governor to one of the most wealthiest states in the Union has ran up a huge state debt as he goes into his second term. In one breath threatening to succeed from the Union and in another begging the CDC with the swine flu outbreak.

        I’m beginning to think these “Self Proclaimed” hard core “Conservatives” don’t know sh1t from shoes polish when it comes to simple math and money matters.

        We need somebody that can walk the walk.

        I know too many conservatives and liberals alike, that are only having to open the open the screen door far enough to reach their hand to the mail box to sustain a comfortable way of life.

        Now , let’s be honest here, some are due and have been earned but I suspect many have been not.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Barb Wire,
          The last time I saw 2.99 a gallon gas, which is what it was here on monday, was right after 9/11.

      • Granny Mae

        Al Sieber

        Gas just went up to $2.96 yesterday in my neck of the woods !

        • independant thinker

          Filled up my truck today for 2.75 a gal. up about .10 in the last week.

          • Granny Mae

            Hope it is just the Holidays ! It seems the gas prices always go up at the Holiday time !

      • Richard Pawley

        Regular gas is over $3 for regular at the cheapest stations here, up about .20 since the dollar has been dropping faster than usual. The supply is abudant, the tankers are full and the tanks they unload them into are full, and it winter (the slower season). The only reason the price is more is because the dollar is dropping. It may not hit $4 next year but there is certainly a chance it might.

    • CJ

      Well, which do you want, recession/deflation, stagflation or inflation? It has to be one of the three. If you want GDP growth, you NEED some inflation. Once the dollar was released from the gold standard, economic growth and inflation go hand in hand.

      And just for those who don’t know, the Fed DOESN’T print money, the Treasury does. The Fed only makes policy allowing banks to ISSUE more thus increasing M2. Just so you don’t confuse the issue.

      • Richard Pawley

        There is one more possibility and that is what my last book was all about, the complete collapse of our entire world financial system of central banks and their wonderful world of paper money. This may take a number of years to bring about but I expect catastrophic inflation here and around the world in the very near future, and those who sell dollars to buy yen or Euros, or sell Euros to buy dollars or Renminbi or Yuan are only playing a game of musical chairs. Many know this and have bought gold, farmland, fuel, and food. All indications are that the 75 thousand million PER MONTH that the FED (or George Soros) has recently convinced the U. S. Treasury to create each month from now until next June is going to cause 10 to 20 percent inflation by this time next year. I only hope it is not worse than that. Of these ‘investments’ the only one ordinary people can afford to buy is non-perishable food and that is the one they will need the most. Learn while you can. Although I’ve studied these things for over 20 years even I cannot tell you exactly how bad it will get although wiser men than I (both in the CIA and those who are spiritually enlightened), have said that starvation is eventually a distinct possibility at worst and that unbelievable food prices are inevitable at best. Forewarned is forearmed. Don’t go crazy over this but begin now to prepare and may God bless all who read this.

        • Richard Pawley

          PS. You only “need” inflation when there is economic growth IF money is not real. We had the greatest growth in the history of the world from 1800 to 1900 with virtually no inflation except around the times of war. It was only when Progressive Woodrow Wilson was promised support if he would back the then mostly European owned Federal Reserve Bank that inflation was built into the system. Income Tax had to be invented to pay this new Central Bank (that some of our founding fathers feared more than a standing army) for all the money they were now creating and loaning to the government and that has been the status quo ever since. Even the Bible speaks in the book of Revelation (in cryptic language) of a future time when the world will be led my a mighty problem solver who will be of Jewish heritage but who will follow none of the revealed laws and principles in the Bible and who come to believe that he is god in the flesh. He will probably be a banker of some kind because the Bible says he will require his mark (or microcomputer) to be inserted IN the right hand of all, and that not even a king will be able to buy and sell without it. Christians call it the “mark of the Beast” and three years following this, the greatest conflict this planet has ever experienced will take place. Only those who have a personal relationship with God will survive this although the how and where of all that remains to be seen. As the Chinese curse used to go, “May you live in interesting times” and we are approaching some of the most interesting times that have ever been. It’s not the end of the world but for those who refuse to do anything to prepare for the really hard times ahead it may well be. Believers know that they can always pray for guidance and help, and I would ask any who read this to do just that, don’t take my word for it. If enough people pray it could be postponed.

          • Granny Mae

            Richard,

            Do you think it is possible to back on the gold standard? George Soros sure sounds like he fits the discription you just made HUH ?

            My suggestion is for people to invest in a few major things. I a pressure cooker canner, a seal-a-meal and a dehydrator and lots of garden seeds, to store in the freezer ! Oh yes and lots of jars to go with the canner ! Do It Now !

          • Angel Wannabe

            Granny Mae _-I’ll add to that, learn to make your own breads and pizza doughs folks. Freeze a few up__Make your own butter & cheese, I’m just getting into that now__Go on line lots of info on the net on cheese making and storage. My Grandmothers all did it!!_ I make tallow candles every year, and I use them too. We Gotta get the pioneer juices flowing again folks!

      • vicki

        CJ says:
        “If you want GDP growth, you NEED some inflation.”

        Maybe we need to measure GDP against a stable currency. Say Gold. Or maybe we need to stop paying any attention to GDP at all.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        “And just for those who don’t know, the Fed DOESN’T print money, the Treasury does. The Fed only makes policy allowing banks to ISSUE more thus increasing M2. Just so you don’t confuse the issue.”

        Um, CJ: Perish forbid we should confuse the issue. The Fed creates debt. Americans pay on it. (I know the Fed doesn’t get their hands all, like, yucky producing anything tangible, like cash or Treasury notes. They produce financial edicts, which is their only stock in trade.)

        The Fed (which isn’t federal) “makes policy” (as you admit) which controls our country’s government (irrespective of the wishes of those who live here).

        Does THAT about sum it up? Or am I confused on the issue.

        The Federal Reserve Bank runs the United States of America. Spell after me, kids: T-H-E F-E-D-…etc.

        • Bleh

          “And just for those who don’t know, the Fed DOESN’T print money, the Treasury does. The Fed only makes policy allowing banks to ISSUE more thus increasing M2. Just so you don’t confuse the issue.”

          Maybe not, but they sure can add zeros to the accounts the Gov holds in exchange for worthless bonds. They can also lend money on all those new zeros somewhat exponentially, which in my book amounts to printing. There is more to it but that is the gist of it in my understanding.

          Do they actually print? No, but they can and do create money.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    TO:DAN AZ,even if there was such a square on this monoploy board,how could you fit all the crooks causing this meltdown into all the jails in this nation? best just put them into space,and let( NASA)put them there to sell property on mars.without space suits.

    • Dan az

      vaksal
      Im for that!

      • Granny Mae

        OH YES ! Good one ! I am all for that one too ! Lets start with Soros and work our way down !

    • KimM

      Vaksal, That would take one hell of a rocket, but I’m behind you 100%

      • Al Sieber

        Kim, a Saturn 5 rocket would do it.

    • JC

      That’s easy. Just replace the pot smokers that are in prison with politicians. I can guard a bag of Doritos much more easily than I can my rights and my bank account. ;)

      • http://personalliberty.com Rolychick

        thanks for the laugh! Doritos!!!! Too funny! Have a great day!

      • Average Joe Patriot

        JC:

        Now, that’s thinking out of the box. Or bag. Whether it be a dime bag or a Doritos bag, I’m, like, toally wid you on this, man.

        Only problem, I’d have to see the actual numbers.

        I know over half the currently incarcerated are there for crap offenses like “crimes against self,” but even though we have the highest prison numbers in the world (a truly entrenched industry, here, providing a livelihood for politicians, judges, lawyers, police, prison guards, counselors, etc.), do you really think we have enough prison cells to accomodate all the @$$holes in America who truly belong in them? (Or even collective brain cells?)

        Git serios, mun. As a nation, we couldn’t afford that many more upstanding community members in the breadlines (however much we’d love to see them there).

  • Anthony

    I like how everyone compares these actions to a Monopoly game. But, I would take you one step further (beyond?).

    How about we look at it from a standpoint of a game of RISK…

    Both games were invented back a long long time ago and to me, they are both a con and a joke in our face(s).

    It has taken 100 years, but our own currency is now devalued (as of 2008) to being only $0.03. What with THE FED now printing an estimated $75-billion, per month until they reach this magic number of $600-Billion … which is random by the way if you haven’t been keeping up … which will, in turn, cause the value of your DOLLAR … to be worth the new and astounding rate of: $0.015 IF you’re lucky.

    Bob Livingston is correct on one thing … and that’s buying real gold right now, is the only way you will be able to stem the costs in your household from spiraling out of control, with this blatant and premeditated destruction of our financial system … YOu can tell the Rothschilds have been savoring this event for a long long time — an estimated 200 years (plus)… especially if you read some of the better, more informed, american historical-economic books that are out there.

    Quote:
    “When I came to Washington back in the ’80s,” Armey told me, “entitlements came to 15 percent of the Federal budget. All the rest — some 85 percent — was discretionary spending we could argue about changing.”

    Now, now, CHIP – Raytheon has to get their chunk o’ change, ya know!

    Queston: When did the amount of fake money go from $600 to $850 (billion)…?

    Not that it matters… like I stated, this number is simply arbitrary and nothing more… the fact that they are printing ANY new money at all is surprising, the real damage is already in effect and has been since Reagan left office – having eaten too many of the heavily aspartame-laden jelly beans which brought on his surprisingly quick alzheimers disease… (JMHO).. you get the point.

    Folks – getting OFF THE GRID is at least one way to stem the tide in your own homes … that, and using the barter system (under the table) as they say. A lot of people are already suffering now and it will only get worse is my sense of things. A long, long time ago I fought hard with myself about having children simply because my Sixth Sense was knawing at me about this very situation … my kids shouldn’t have to be going thru this… yet, they are (as are many of you in the same situations).

    I keep spreading the word, no matter how many laugh or call me conspiracy-minded … I defy them to PROVE ME WRONG .. and if they turn a blind eye, so be it… they prove themselves to be the more fearful.

    I hope I can keep finding more and more who will walk with me…

    • Disgusted

      The government is devalueing the dollar in an attempt to entice foreign buyers to come in and buy, buy, buy America. They are hoping this will save us since we have no purchasing power from within.
      God help America once it is Foreign owned!

      • HFlashman

        Disgusted…please at least take a grade school economics course before spouting drivel

        • Craig

          You should take you own advise. You are an economics illiterate.

          • Granny Mae

            Disgusted,

            You got it ! Thatis how they will force us to join the New World Order ! They bring all the europeans in here to buy us out and then they own us and we no longer have a say in anything ! We need some Impeachment proceedings started immediately ! And somebody needs to put Palosi in a bag and get her back to the land of fruits and nuts !

          • Vigilant

            Granny,

            I think the Chinese and Japanese already are close to owning us. All the Chinese have to do is call in a few of our IOUs and we’re sunk.

            The street word is that Obama is so concerned about increasing US exports that’s he’s willing to devalue the dollar to reach his goal (,akes our goods cheaper overseas). His great economics team doesn’t seem to care about the devaluation vis-a-vis the prices we pay for food, gasoline, etc.

            Our manufacturing base, that which made this country so economically powerful, has been eroding for decades due to high corporate taxation and over-regulation (yes, regulation of the bad kind). The question is, how many attractive goods do we have to export any more?

          • Granny Mae

            Vigilant,

            You are so right. I think everyone owns us today except us ! It may be time to kick all the bums out everywhere !

        • David

          Flashpants…..Anthony and Disgusted have nailed it. We are manipulating our dollar to increase exports but more importantly to drive inflation up so the gov can pay off its dept at our expense. As soon as inflation takes off we will all lock down personal spending, industry will lay off, can you say the perfect ingredients for a depression?

          • HFlashman

            Don’t know about Anthony..but Disgusted I read as sying the foreign entities wouldcome in like japan did in the 80′s and buy up our lands and properties…which ain’t happenin’. As for buying our exports…absolutely that’s one reason for Bernanke devaluing the dollar…

            And you can see secondary evidence by Obama departing from the Bush playbook. Obama is not entering trade agreements just to say he entered a trade agreement…he’s waiting ‘em out and driving a hard bargain. I’d expect anyone with a scienta of honesty would applaud that …

          • David

            I like to see China huff and puff as we manipulate our currency. I just “hope” there is some “change” left over in the end for the American people.

          • Granny Mae

            HFlashman,

            You are so wrong ! Obama got his ass kicked this last week, every where he went ! He isn’t holding out everyone else has told him to get some brains and a life ! He just lost the biggest deal of his presidency and you don’t have brains enough to see that ! WOW ! Hard to believe !

          • Vigilant

            Flush once again shows his ignorance, when he says, “Disgusted I read as saying the foreign entities would come in like japan did in the 80′s and buy up our lands and properties…which ain’t happenin’.”

            They don’t need to, Dummy. They’re holding our DEBT. THAT’s where the problem lies.

          • Vigilant

            Oh, and Flush….when you say, “Obama is not entering trade agreements just to say he entered a trade agreement…he’s waiting ‘em out and driving a hard bargain,” you are, as always, wrong.

            The only thing that’s holding him up is his cowtowing to the unions. The agreement with Colombia has been stalled for months and months for just this reason. “Driving a hard bargain?” Don’t make me laugh! The day Obama gets a smidgeon of business sense is the day I vote for Chuck Schumer.

            and, “I’d expect anyone with a scienta of honesty would applaud that …” What the hell is a “scienta?” Do you mean “scintilla?”

      • BigBadJohn

        OR in an attempt to make US goods more affordable in foreign countries, which would help balance the trade deficit.

        • JC

          What US goods?

          • Bob Wire

            Cardboard

          • Granny Mae

            JC,

            Exactly ! You can’t deal with goods you don’t have, but obviously Obama doesn’t realize that ! He thinks everyone is stupid but he is finding that there is a lot of smarts in some of these foreign countries ! He has made us look weak and now he has made himself look weak so he has lost the game before it even got to a start ! He and Soros are playing games with our lives and for those that can’t see that there will be hell to pay in the future !

          • Granny Mae

            All these American companies that have gone over seas need to get their patriotism back and bring their industry back home to help save this country !

          • Granny Mae

            The banking countries that Obama has gone to see just told him to go home and get his credit straightened out and then maybe they will talk ! He is the biggest moron I have ever seen !

          • eddie47d

            Most jobs went overseas long before Obama became President, sweet little old grannie. So there are few left here for him to save. The rest of the world can do what we were doing years ago so all this free trade has bit us in the behind. We must lure jobs back but it will have to be at a lower wage. Americans will have to do a lot more adjusting than we’ve done in the last 5 years.

          • Granny Mae

            Eddie47d

            Yes I know that all these companies left long before Obama came in. I’m not saying he had anything to do with that. I’m just saying that the companies that did go need to rethink things and come back to help this country out, after all it was here that they all got their big start ! We do need to make it worth their while that is for sure but there are no jobs here anymore unless you want to work for the government ! We got too many young people leaving school before they are ready for this worl and we have way too much drug trafic and corruption here for the good of our people. It is time to address all these things and put the hammer down, instead of creat a division in our states and between the states. We all need to stand together and we never need a president that would create a division between any state and the federal government ! The federal government and the states need to work together and the fed. needs to start doing it’s job on closing our boarders, like it or not ! Got to get a handle on this problem first and then set out to work out a permanent solution ! I don’t care who is president, if he can’t do that then he needs to take his happy _ss out of here and go someplace else !

          • Vigilant

            eddie, eddie, eddie, there you go again…

            “Most jobs went overseas long before Obama became President, sweet little old grannie. So there are few left here for him to save. The rest of the world can do what we were doing years ago so all this free trade has bit us in the behind. We must lure jobs back but it will have to be at a lower wage. Americans will have to do a lot more adjusting than we’ve done in the last 5 years.”

            Jobs left the US for the same reason businesses are moving out of NY and CA to other states: big government. Some day, and I’m not holding my breath to see it, you libs will FINALLY understand that it’s liberal, not conservative policies that have driven businesses away from our shores.

            And when you say, “We must lure jobs back but it will have to be at a lower wage,” you speak the defeatism of the left. And tell me, Mr. economist, name ONE leftist or liberal move that would succeed in “luring” them back. And “at a lower wage,” then you must be tacitly admitting that the inordinately high wages and benefits extracted by the unions in this country are too high.

            Wake up, son, and smell the TEA.

          • eddie47d

            Good grief Vigilante companies have been downsizing for years and there are multiple reasons. They have been trying to downsize wages and benefits and the workforce at least since 2000. Wages and benefits shot up in the previous few years. NAFTA and CAFTA have made it too good for US companies (not the American worker). They won’t be coming back to this country without a lot more concessions. That means American workers better be willing to take lower salaries. These companies that outsourced tasted the good life of paying cheap wages and no benefits. That’s the reality of American companies,not defeatism. I don’t think all union wages were out of line and some workers support unions for the benefits they fight for and better working conditions. Not all unions are Auto company employees. Besides that, many companies overpaid their executives and doled out hefty bonuses and stock options. Some CEO’s paid themselves more than all their workers combined and then some. That in the long run hurt the companies profit margin so the companies moved and fired workers. There are way too many CEO’s who wouldn’t sacrifice their lavish lifestyles for the sake of their own companies. You can call that what you want but I them despicable.

          • Bleh

            “I don’t think all union wages were out of line and some workers support unions for the benefits they fight for and better working conditions.”

            Unions had their time and were once useful. We now have laws to facilitate better working conditions and fair wages.
            Now Unions are just money grubbing useless pieces of excrement.
            They tend to eat up company profits and cause them to go bankrupt or to downsize. Who gets the benefits and wages when the company is toast or the employees are sent the way of the dodo?

            All imhop.

        • DaveH

          If the US Government wants to make our goods more affordable, they simply need to butt out of the marketplace and let companies compete for the consumers’ dollars.
          Sending the cash savings of hard working Americans into the toilet is not the answer to increasing our productivity and economy.

        • David

          BBJ remember the shadow EPA is working behind the scenes to finish off all major industry. GHG regulation is only the tip of the iceberg: Boiler MACT (Maximum Available Control Technology), Utility MACT, new even lower ozone standards – going from 85ppb to the Bush proposed 80ppb (will never be implemented) – to the obama/Lisa Jackson proposed limit of 65ppb! Check the link….probably TMI but worth the read.

          http://www.mapi.net/Filepost/ER-707.pdf

          The carbon tax is also back on the table because there is no way for the gov to raise income taxes enough to support their need to spend. Everything I have mentioned will drive our costs up, making it impossible to compete or to live. Can you say barter?

          • http://none Mike

            Bob Wire Says cardbord is a big export,I think we had better hold on to it we will need it for houses when hyper-inflation hits. My point being this the houseing market is allready in a depression with alot of people just barely holding onto their houses now. Add to that higher food and energy prices. I fear its not going to be a houseing bubble burst but an explosion. We are headed for a perfect storm and this goverment is calling for light showers(of Money)They need to get their heads out of their 4th point of contact and do something about it. And yes Bob I know that was a fecious comment some here take you for what you really mean sometimes.Mike L.

      • http://none Mike

        Didnt we at one time have to put the breaks on Japaneese land buys here in the states? I seem to remember a huge controversy a while back in Montana I think? Where one Japaneese landowner owned 1/4 of the states available land? Correct me if I am wrong here. Mike L. P.s The forsale sign has been up in washington for a while now.

    • CJ

      Anthony, I hope you REALLY don’t think the Fed prints the money. That’s the Treasury’s job. The basic fact is our government has been, since the inception of the Fed, the preverbal left hand/right hand problem. The Fed controls the monetery policies and Congress controls the fiscal. Each tries to adjust the economy without consideration of what the other is doing.

      • Anthony

        CJ -

        Please do not spend the time it takes to SPLIT HAIRS..

        TRUTH – THE FED, in most cases, DOES NOT actually NEED to have our own Treasury go about printing up NEW money…

        IN FACT – what happens, is THE FED (not the Treasury) simply lists another LINE ITEM on their USA CENTRAL BANK SPREADSHEET denoting the fact that NOW, there is more money available, when before it “simply did not exist”.

        Anyone who has read Creature from Jekyll Island, or watched the YouTube FEDERAL RESERVE Videos… already knows these facts….

        Invest energy, folks, on something other than splitting hairs.
        On here, you are supposed to be adults, not children looking for excuses to squirm out of defending a certain stance.
        The rest of us are already looking at ALL comments with that approach.

    • JCF

      I would love to talk to you anthony. I too believe like you do. I have read many books and talked to many people. But, like you, people just laugh or look at you like you are crazy. They always say we are going to pull out of this like we always do. I really do not know what to do. I see it coming and yet I feel hopeless. The few people that I have found that understands what is happening simple does not know what to do. We vote write letters and do the things any citizen would do to express our concerns, but to no avail. It is very apparent the scumbags in DC are not going to listen to the people. It is not in their agenda.

      • Anthony

        The PATRIOTIC stance, for all of what we are experiencing is this –>

        DEFUND THE FED

        To Do That – - one must invest energy with contacting your Reps & Senators, alerting them of how you feel. Whether they ignore you, or not .. you do not have the option of being a quitter or of telling yourself that your actions won’t count, so therefore, why bother.

        IF YOU DO NOT INTERACT, like real pareiots on such public issues, then you are, in essence, aiding those that we never get to elect.

        And, one wonders WHY would you do that, to your own Families and your own Wallets…..

        You give back control of OUR currency back to our Reps… and the pendulum does start working its way back to what the Constitution has already put in stone.

        Always BE CONSTITUTIONAL … know your history and your real rights.

        • Anthony

          OOOPs

          like real patriots

          • Michael J.

            Anthony, I admire your drive but you are leaving out the Fed’s symbiotic twin, the IRS. They both have to go. It’s no coincidence that they were both created in the same year. Evil twins that our government has lied to us about since their inception in 1913.

            You and many others probably already know these things but there is no sin in redundant commentry and it’s not yet illegal so keep spreading the word my patriotic friend.

          • Granny Mae

            JFC,

            I can sympathize with you because I have been trying to spread the word for at least 30 years! I have seen this coming and did my best to make people aware of it but like you they just think I’m crazy, so I have come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is make sure I, myself is ready and preach it to my immediate family and look for like minded people. We all know what is going on and that there isn’t much we can do. The tea party movement has begun but who knows how far they will get ! I will pray for them. In the mean time I will continue to prepare. If people want info on how to get ready I will advise them all I can but other than that I am continuing on with my preparations ! Hang in there and keep doing what you are doing and pray and leave the rest up to God !

          • Angel Wannabe

            Granny Mae, I know its tough, for a long time my kids thought I was going off the deep end_-My son asked me months ago, if was getting ready to dig a bunker in the field, because I’ve been stocking up food & supplies__I snickered, and sadly said, “well it’s funny now, but I guess you’ll have to find out the hard way on your own”__My old man and I said it for years, That there’s no way, prices & Taxes can keep rising, sometime they’re gonna fall, and when they do, it’s gonna hit with avengence!__My God go with us All!

        • JeffH

          Anthony, I am on board and have been sending the Congressmen & women and Senators my requests to “End” the Fed as well as joining with Ron Paul in his quest to End the Fed.

          I have also started sending requests to start a congressional investigation into George Soros’ treasonous web of insurrection against our country.

          • Granny Mae

            JeffH,

            Praise be to God for people like you ! An investigation into Soros is what we really need. They need to get several countries together and take him down like he has other countries ! There is your Anti-Christ ! We can all keep the momentum going by doing the same thing. I have also been doing that for years and getting laughed at for it ! I don’t care I just keep on keeping on !

        • vicki

          Anthony is correct.

          NEVER give up. NEVER surrender.

          And to make writing and calling easier you can use the tools at
          http://www.downsizeDC.org to (amoungst other things)

          Audit the Fed (/etp/campaigns/112)
          Demand a return to Honest Money. (/etp/campaigns/85)
          Defund the Fed (/etp/campaigns/124)

          and a whole lot more.

          Just attach the text in ( ) above to the main link (…downsizeDC.org/etp…) to see the campaign.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      I already am walking with you, Anthony. But don’t start counting footprints in the sand. Stand alone (the tenor of your post says you will).

      It’s every man for himself and his family, now. As it should have been from the start, or we would not have gotten into this mess. We let the bad guys win…or…have they? What if we just said no to their money?

      I think you’re completely on target, Anthony. Let us not be confused by false money concerns. Put boots in the soil, seeds in the ground, and let every civilian keep a weapon handy at all times.

      The good times, they aren’t a-comin’. They’re gone for the rest of our lives, and our children’s lives, probably their children’s lives.

      Prepare them. And deny these ba$tard$ some of their power over us by becoming self-sufficient, and exceedingly dangerous to mess with.

      • Granny Mae

        Average Joe Patriot,

        Amen ! I’m doing my part ! Together we stand divided we fall !

      • Angel Wannabe

        Average Joe Patriot___Amen Buddy, well said!

  • Bob Wire

    Three wars & many battles to fight, Entitlements I’m looking forward too!

    Everything needs to be on the table.

    Glad to see that Dick Armey is openly being acknowledged as one of the driving forces behind the Tea Party movement as some which to dispute my claim months ago.

  • HD Mike

    I say, and have told all of my friends, sell all of your gold and buy lead…… and the guns that go with it. Lead can protect you and feed you. Gold cannot. Buy gardening equipment, seeds and fertilizer and plant your own survival garden. Spend your money now on things that will keep you alive and healthy before everything collapses and the dollar is worthless.

    • Phillip in TX

      That’s what we are doing. Like I told my wife “You can’t eat gold.”

      • Bob Wire

        and not to consider trying to make change !

        If things gets so bad gold becomes pocket tender.

        I plan to be in the fence and fortification business.

        Got the name already picked out “Hard Target” facility support division.

        • Anthony

          Hope ya got that certified … someone may steal it.

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Heck, Barb. What will you run your trucks on, burning currency?

          There’s nothing funny about any of this. If you cannot do it yourself, or provide something of value to a community which can, you’re screwed. Sure, one might dig a hole and stock up on Spaghettios and Chaucer and flashlight batteries, but the day will come when you have to crawl out with a 30.30 or a decent survival knife.

          That’s when TSHTF for real and the rubber meets the road. Doesn’t hurt to be ready. Just know: things won’t get “back to normal again.”

          They’re not normal now.

          • Michael J.

            Average Joe Patriot,
            Since you mentioned fueling trucks, I thought I would share about a project that my brother and I are working on. It’s called a wood burning gas generator also known as a gasifier. This machine extracts a gas from super heated wood which in turn fuels an internal combustion engine.

          • Vigilant

            Michel,

            My engineer son tells me that was actually done during WWII here, when gas was rationed. Interesting concept.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry, I meant “Michael,” not “Michel.”

          • Michael J.

            Vigilant,
            That’s right, this is a proven technology used extensively in Europe during WW11 as a result of fuel shortages. Detailed blueprints for building these machines are available on-line for free. There are also a few manufacturers gearing up to start producing units to be sold to the public.

            Like most anything else there are drawbacks. Carbon monoxide poisoning and fire hazard among other things are a definite concern.
            As a matter of fact this technology will only be viable in the absence of traditional fuels like gasoline and diesel.

            On the other hand wood is a renewable resource and because I have a whole warehouse full of wood that I can’t sell because of the state of the economy right now, gasifier technology is looking better to me every day.

    • Patriot Dave

      Great advice HD Mike. Hopefully,folks will take your advice. We are in for a long slog. Patriot Dave

    • CJ

      So, you expect to grow everything you’ll need? Can you grow parts for your tractor? You won’t be able to store everything you’ll need to survive. That’s what’s wrong with barter. When you want what the other guy has, you must have something THEY want. That’s where gold comes in.

      • vicki

        Very good. That IS the purpose of “money” To facilitate barter transactions. Our problem is what the US government currently commands us to use for “money”

        • Average Joe Patriot

          So, stop using it. Deny them the power of “company store scrip.”

          Really. Our forebears lived without it. I’ve been a housepainter, fisherman, carpenter, food-grower, store-keeper, general laborer, writer and software developer, among other occupations in a fairly long life so far. I’m a business-owning hermit, nowadays, rapidly approaching Social inSecurity.

          What’s hard about the concept of just saying “No!” to Their money?

          Nothing, really, in concept. In reality you have to work at it. Out where I now live, it’s quite doable. If I take care of my neighbor’s animals and plants, I get food, firewood, and a garden plot, help on my roof if I need it. I paint his house, he helps dig me a new septic system, and so on.

          In the cities? Good luck, pal, you’re exchanging cookies and baby-sitting. Couch repair and rides to work.

          But I still think saying no to “company store scrip” is the ultimate answer. After all, according to the financial news They’re turning it into toilet paper anyway, low-grade quality TP at that. The stuff can’t absorb many more hits from the world economy, let alone bodily fluids. It’s being thrown under a bus by the Fed (aka Eurobankers). They may piss on it, they won’t wipe with it afterwards.

          Perhaps cookies and baby-sitting would make a better medium of exchange, after all. The fundamentals of any economy are, lest we lose sight, human endeavor toward survival, whether serving breakfast for the family or reshingling a roof. Patching jeans or patching pipes, it’s all human endeavor toward continued survival.

          Which is not what Washington or Wall Street do. Yet these “deciders” (decisions are their ONLY product) run our lives, via our money system. What could be more insane? We pay them to buy and sell our productivity? That is the “service” they provide? Nuts.

          Bake some cookies and/or baby-sit a child tonight. Start the revolution. Tomorrow, trade an engine repair for help on a home-roofing job, see what it’s like to feel like a free person, again. Trade with your neighbor and exchange a little equity sweat.

          Equity in freedom. Feel’s great. (Don’t report it to the government, they wouldn’t understand.)

    • e6jr

      yes but that only works until a group of lazy degenerates with/without weapons finds out you have a garden and food and then the 20:1 ratio of men that are fighting you probably take off with your goods. No good calling the police, they will be in on it for their share….

      is anyone worried about these executive orders that have been passed already and are in effect, waiting for the president to just call on them if need be? Or am I just FO4TF (freaking out for the future?)

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

      • Anthony

        FOLKS, FOLKS, FOLKS ……

        Accoding to the Constitution…

        Presidential Executive Orders are to apply ONLY to federal government workers.

        I get it, that they’ve been abusing this specific fact…. I do.

        STILL – this is the reality of it.

        As long as no one speaks up – they will keep perverting the Constitution.

        IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT ???

      • sevenstars77

        e6jr
        you are right and even if these executive orders didn’t exist, the fact is that citizens are only as free as its government allows them to be. This is true in any country, including the good ole USA. Basically, our federal government can do anything when using the “in the interest of national security” BS, from taking your property to taking your liberty to taking your life. Anyone that fails to see and understand that is delusional.

        • David

          That’s why obummer’s boys want to attack the 2nd ammendment. They won’t be able to take over if there is a gun behind every blade of grass.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            I love to think and ramble at the keyboard, but I’ll be succinct.

            You’ve hit the nail, David. Peri-the-freak-ud.

      • BigBadJohn

        Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation. Once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. But under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking martial law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cites simultaneously, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.

        • David

          The debt commission just pissed off every liberal group out there….so maybe you’ll get those riots. Hey just think, we would have them all bunched up together….

      • Granny Mae

        e6jr,

        I think that when it finally comes down to the lazy low lifes coming to get what I have they will be making the biggest mistake of their life because they may just become dog food for my dogs ! I’m not going to just sit here and let someone steal from me and if they come to fight me for it they will be surprised because even if they succeed I will put a hurt on them first !

    • meteorlady

      If we all did that then Soros’ gold would be worthless to him. We would require bartering items, not gold. Can’t eat gold, can’t use is for bate or livestock feed and certainly can’t use it for defense.

  • Phil Sanchez

    Is this part of the attack on our dollar that George Soros advocates for taking down societies or govt’s he doesn’t approve of??

    • Conservative at Birth

      Of course it is part of the game, as he calls it, that they are playing.

      • http://none Mike

        In the case of this game I think we need to take our toys and go home. This guy can only do what he does to economies with help from within. Find out who and what mecinism he is useing and cripple it and he is just another bored crazy billionair. I have said before these people only have the power we give them and its time to pull the plug. Mike L.

        • Granny Mae

          Mike

          His power comes from his control of Obama and all his organizations that do his bidding. To start an insurection all he has to do is send out SEIU , ACORN and all the others and they will raise enough hell and blame it on the rest of us and there goes your Martial Law ! The only way to disarm Soros is to put him under house arrest and take away his toys !

          • Bleh

            There is another way Granny, but it would require some violence.

    • meteorlady

      Soros is a One World Order advocate and he believes in social experimentation. In other words, he believes himself to be smarter than the average people of this planet. He has a huge ego and is very open about his beliefs and what he has done. He’s also a little on the crazy side. He is probably one of the most evil people in the world today. Wish he didn’t live in this country.

      Mostly he believes that the United States is the only country left that stand in the way of one world order and he has said he will do anything to bring us down in order to achieve his goal.

  • HFlashman

    Wow…never fails..when i read the majority of the posts here sometimes I think maybe the lunatic asylum and kindergartens must have had mass escapes. Other times, I know and it’s not a ‘maybe’…

    First..let’s settle on a few facts.

    1. Pre 1980, we were generally OK in our fiscal house. Some problems, not much. Running a small (in todays terms of massive deficits) $63 bil /year. Then came the first disaster…Reagan and his scam against the Middle Class and working America.

    2. Bush I was somewhat successful in stemming the red ink and trying to halt the disasters of Reagan. And Clinton went one better building on what Bush I began.

    3. We entered the new centruy looking fairly good. On the road to repairing the economic ills of Reagan and starting to wrestle the power from the entrenched wealthy and corporate interests which bought thier places of power during Reagan.

    4. Then came Bush II and the corrupt GOP Congress. Welcome to the situation we face today. Bush II and the corrupt republicans sold us out. No way other to describe it. They screwed ASmerica and didn’t even have the good graces to use Vaseline.

    When Bush II appointed Bernanke, the first thing Bernanke did was cease the publication of M3, then..hidden from public scrutiny flush the economy with a HUGE infusion of cash. At the time..i was heavy with my criticism. Looking back in hindsight…I think it was because he and Wall street knew reckless gambles by the Big Box banks and GOP policies had built a bubble and were sitting on a time bomb about to blow.

    Don’t forget, Bernanke made his fame in his studies of Japan’s fiscal policies when they had a bubble burst in the 90′s…and was adament that the 10 year deflationary malaise was to be avoided at all costs.

    When the bubble did burst, and was worse than anyone could imagine…we faced a Depression. A Depression boding to be far larger and more severe than the 30′s. Like it or not..cry and whine and scream as you may…in the first six months of his adminsitration, Bernanke and Obama saved this country’s economy from total collapse. That is a fact. A cold hard fact.

    Thanx to the party of “No’…the past two years every attempt to bring us out by creating jobs, cutting taxes to true small businesses, hiking taxes to where they are fair and balanced on both corporations and the people, reforming health and energy policies to give breaks where they have the most impact…Middle America and the working guy…all have been stymied by the GOP corrupted by the entrenched wealthy and corporate powers. (If you have doubt…look to see the reaction of the GOP leaders to the election…they are “business as usual’ in bending before the wealthy entrenched elite and ignoring even the TPers who brought them back to power.)

    So Bernanke has but one card to play. Failure by the GOP to allow fiscally responsible economic policy means he has to pump up the economy by risking high rates of inflation…and hoping it can be controlled later. And .. currency manipulation to increase our exports.

    I’m not saying the Dems are innocent in all tis…but being objective…the vast portion of blame can be laid directly at the feet of the GOP and the wacked supporters of the insanity and power grabbing corruption. They tout hate, lies, and fear … instead of coming up with anything which will help us.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Fiscally responsible is not in the Democrat lexicon.

      • Bob Wire

        and surly not in the GOP if history is any indication

      • JC

        Big Government and expansion are the disease of both parties. Which is why we need statesmen, not politicians, and why we need to return to Constitutional values and a “justice system”.

        • DaveH

          You’re right, JC. With the exceptions of Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, and a handful of other Republicans, the Republicans have not been shy about Growing Government.
          But it goes without saying that the Democrats are the Kings of Big Government growth.
          There is only one political party that says what they mean, and means what they say. That is the Libertarian Party.
          Folks, if you’re tired of seeing politicians talk Freedom with one hand while they rob you of it with the other hand, then join us at the Libertarian Party. We use the KISS principle. Simply Freedom, no excuses. We respect voluntary contracts. We don’t butt into other peoples’ business practices unless they are being fraudulent (then the courts decide). We don’t burden businesses (or people) with productivity-draining and useless paperwork hoops. We don’t believe in saving people (or countries of people) from their own folly with the money and lives of other unwilling donors. We don’t dictate what a person should do with their own bodies and property, as long as they don’t damage the bodies or property of other people.

          If you agree, join us.

          http://libertarianparty.com/platform

          • Lapsina

            who is the person/persons in charge behind Libertarian Party?…..is this another George Soros funded entity??

          • Angel Wannabe

            Lapsins, google it_ and keep researching info until you work out the puzzle!

          • JC

            Lapsina, Libertarians have been around in North America….since the first one said,
            “I don’t know about you Sam, but I’ve had it with these British Pricks” ;)

          • meteorlady

            We had an almost full slate of Libertarian candidates on our local ballots this election. I voted for all but they were not running for House of Reps or anything federal. When the dust settled after the election the paper printed all the winners of TWO parties and we were left to actually research what the Libertarian party candidates did in each election. If this party, or any other party in existence today, is to grow they need the backing of the press and that’s just not happening. We here, have written our local paper and asked that they publish all the election results, not just the two parties.

    • Patriot Dave

      So, What are your impecable credentials? You write well but you don’t say anything. It’s just an opionated diatribe against Bush II and the Republicans. I could make the same argument against Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Stop preaching and start thinking.

      • Bob Wire

        yes! you could and you have many times, and don’t forget Acorn!

        Somehow, these names are seen as Trump Cards to carry any trick up for grabs. Possessing just enough guilt to Trump a whole political machine with eight years of half baked ideas and poor leadership on domestic,foreign, military and economic matters.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Well Bob, since you folks are hell bent on blaming the predecessor for everything, I guess well have to wait to see who ‘s elected in 2012, then Obama can be held responcible for the mess he created, and the 2012 President won’t have to suffer his consequences, he’ll start with a clean slate. Thats how the Games played, isn’t it?

          • Bob Wire

            if a 14 trillion dollar national debit, 4000 dead American GI’s, 18% unemployment, record home foreclosures, and AIG employees getting “job well done” bonus in the hundred of thousand of dollars while getting Federal Bailed-out~ as being called “a game” Angel, yea, ~ I guess so.

            It’s taken 2 years to stop the fall ~ and we are still slipping into the abyss by the inch.

            Fun and games for everyone. ~ A serious backward slide started under 43 tenure and guidance, one we have yet to fully recover from to this day!

            Life is 90% how people react to it. ~ A country is no different.

            I have a scar of my chin, put there by a jealous man, as I sat and talked across a table to his wife about what each of us was to cook and to bring to Thanksgiving Dinner at her home.

            I’m left to either blame my chin for getting in his way, her for inviting me to Dinner, Thanksgiving in general or myself for considering her invitation. ~ But let us not blame the man that stuck a blindsiding blow, and that’s the position you take with Bush. He wasn’t There!

          • Angel Wannabe

            BW, C,mon bud, we went through this before, POTUS is a figure head with veto power, not much more. If he had total reign he’d be king!__The Constitution forbids a king.___ Although this admin, more so than others, has broken most of the Constitutional laws anyway, so it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if, by executive order, Obama would pronounce himself as king!
            on the other hand__I don’t worry myself with people producing poll numbers, half truths & figures_-They all can be manipulated with ease. Facts with dates, names,source and pages numbers is what counts. Its a matter of wether you believe it or not. Washington and it’s past & present is a gigantic infinite piece puzzle, and it’s coming together gradually for all of us here. You just have to decide which of the fence your on. We can debate AALLL day on Repubs and Dems__It’s the truth were after.

          • Michael J.

            Bob Wire,
            As a small business man myself I can tell you that things look different from my point of view. For thirty years I have been growing a small business that has kept myself and family clothed and fed. Like everything else in life there have been ups and downs, but I won’t bore you with the details. In 2007 and 2008 I enjoyed the most profitable years of my career until a man named Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic party started preaching that the nation was in a recession. They didn’t say we were in danger of recession or that a recession was emminate, but instead that we were already there. Now knowing as I did that it takes two consecutive quarters of negative GDP to declare a recession, (which had not happened yet) plus the fact that my business had flourished as a result of wealthy clientel who have been my bread and butter for three decades, I shrugged off the ranting of the Democrats who I cant remember ever agreeing with anyway. Never the less, their relentless barage of America hating, Bush bashing doom and gloom economic forcasting was beginning to take a toll on the sheeple. Then when Bush announced about one month before the election that the economy was on the verge of collapse and we needed an immediate monetary injection of more money than most people even new existed into the veins of big banks or face armegedon.
            Now up to that point I had agreed with most everything Bush had done aside from his imigration policies and securing our borders. This new move by Bush was so abrupt that it seemed to me to have blind sided the president and he was relying on the inept input of unscrupulous others such as Hank Paulson who by the way reminds me of a snake with legs.

            Next thing you know it’s election day and people like me were hoping against hope that Mc cain would win even though the thought of either candidate made me nauseous. Even worse,the thought of Obama winning made me physically ill, which is exactly what happened to most people I feel because almost down to the hour or even the minute when people realized that Obama was going to be president for sure, the economy shut down like someone turning off a light switch. Clients who had previously signed contracts for work to be performed were suddenly calling to either postpone or cancel. Clients I have worked for for decades told me privately that “this guy scares the hell out of me” and they intended to move their assets offshore until the coast was clear.
            Since I have weathered many recessions here that were hardly even noticeable, I long ago developed the idea that this area was recession-proof and on occasion whispered as much to fellow contractors who felt the same. This time however is different. This time the wealthy have been targeted, although not for reasons you might suspect. As of late the rich have been maligned and denograted relentlessly. For example in the case of extending the Bush tax cuts when Obama said he refused to extend tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires inspite of the fact that people earning $250,000 or more includes the bulk of small business owners like myself. Although these classes of Americans, the job creators are definitely being targeted, the economy itself is the real target, the Holy Grail of Cloward & Piven who Obama worships at the alter of.
            Working from there plan to overwhelm the system through massive government entitlements, demonizing wealth and those who posess it and an unending list of tactics focused on colapsing the system to make way for the ushering in of their utopian dream of socialism.

            So you see Bob, things look a little different from my perspective.

        • meteorlady

          Funny how liberals look at the bad side of things most often. 4,000 dead? Well we could look at the 100,000 or more gassed Kurds and say that the rest are safer than they were before. We could look at the employment rate and other things that happened during Bush’s administration – the stock market was in good shape and the economy was chugging along. Fact is, the Democrats were in power for Bush’s last two years. Fact is, the Democrats and Republicans passed NAFTA, Free Trade with China, repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, and passed Fair Housing – and Clinton signed them all. All these contributed to our economic downfall we are dealing with right now.

          If you actually take time to look at the US Treasury’s website you will find that even with both wars, Bush has the deficit coming down until his last two years with a Democrat controlled house and senate. You will also find that Clinton’s surplus was smoke and mirrors as he counted income from the SS Trust Fund to balance the budget.

          Mostly I guess I would blame LBJ most of all as the worst president next to Carter and Obama. Had it not been for LBJ the SS Trust Fund would be solvent today. Had it not been for LBJ the War on Poverty would have not wasted billions of dollars only to find that 20% more people are in poverty today than when the bill was passed. Had it not been for LBJ we would not have Medicare which is also bankrupt. Now we have a huge expensive health care bill, which still doesn’t insure all the people and it does absolutely nothing for me, my family or friends except drive up the cost of our insurance premiums, decrease medicare payments (every person paid specific taxes for this program), and down grade the quality of our health care system. It will also ultimately force me to either not provide employee health care, lay of two employees or raise my prices (not a good idea right now). Seems that my employee sponsored health care premiums are going up 17% as a result of the “expanded mandatory” coverages in the new health care bill.

          Thanks Democrats – my children now owe an estimated $42,000 in US debt and they haven’t even started work yet.

          • Bob Wire

            meteorlady , the conservative state of Texas is down that much. ~ Obama has legislated to spend some 1.8 trillion to date in deficit “IF” Bush tax cuts are continued.

            I think your numbers off some.(short) So far he’s spending is about equal to 43′s and the wars continue to rage on.

            A lot ! no doubt ~ so let’s back up , are you worried about deficit or keeping your health and the lights on?

            And Micheal, ~ not knowing the nature of your business, I have little to offer you. ~ accept your are not alone and “Welcome” I’ve been on skids a while myself. ~ The wealthy are making their displeasure known and you feel what they are doing is okay, what they should do? ~ They are showing us how powerful they are and how callused they can be as they squeeze us and chock off our air. ~

            I personally think after 30 years they are too powerful and enjoy to much entitlements via government.

            But if your willing to kiss their back sides to get a little relief, I understand completely. You got to do what you’ve got to do.

            At the end of the day, the wealthy will win this battle for there just too many people like yourself. I’m under no illusion. So smooch away.

            The rich have made many chrome plated Negros that love to live in the “BIG HOUSE” and feel they are better then the rest of us field hands.

            I understand. I don’t want to live in the big house, I want to work and provide for me and mine in some self respecting fashion.

            I was hoping for more gains, more equitable labor considerations. But It’s always been a process of dividing the “Cracker” vote and getting special interest operatives selectively placed in the right positions of government to serve their masters.

            I haven’t punched a clock since 78, and it’s always been chicken or feathers. But I’ve had a good run, and learned many things about myself and people that I wouldn’t take for.

            I’m going to come out of this strong ~ and “retire” has never been in my vocabulary. I don’t think of such things. hell! I’m retired now without being retired. I’m going down fighting one way or the other.

            We’d have to speed up to stop around here ~ at the moment. So Micheal if it’s just hit you in 2009, you are one lucky SOB. Again, I don’t have a clue what product or service you provide. But whatever it is, “Market Forces” is not working in your favor is it? ~ so who you going to blame for that ? Obama? ~ This is just Huey Long and Louisiana story played on a national level all over again and will end in much the same fashion.

            The “entitled” and “privileged” have us by the short hairs and they are laughing their asses off.

            Yie-sur, I’z bees ah comm’n ta fetch yu’rn slippers maz’ter.

      • CJ

        Dave, Flashmouth can only put down others. He attacks to minimize those who he fears, hoping to bring them down to his level. He writes volumes, hoping to confuse the reader that he is knowledgeable. He is nothing more than an average, long winded liberal who looks for an audience in shallow mainds. He has none here. He’s just a troll.

        • HFlashman

          Yo CJ….got anything to add or are you just showing envy and trying to diminish what you know is truth?

          • Anthony

            WOW – who’s being childish and immature?

        • Angel Wannabe

          and no threat to anyone!!__The Progressives just like to think they are!__

          • independant thinker

            HF is a flash in the pan trying to blind you with his drivel.

    • Karolyn

      Bravo! People do not give credit where credit is due. Obama and Bernanke did stop a depression. What was done was necessary.

      My belief is, and has been, that fear generated by propagandists has stymied the economy by keeping ordinary people from spending money. And don’t tell me it’s not out there! It’s even here where I live in poor, rural SC. Then, when I go to the “Big City”, Charlotte, the amount of wealth apparent is staggering. There is enough money for everyone!! What goes around comes around applies to money also. Look at the people making big bucks online. It is a state of mind. There is way too much fear out there, perpetrated by the right. ‘As ye think, so shall ye be.” Also, “As ye think, so shall ye live.”

      • DaveH

        Sure, Karolyn, and the Republicans stopped the terrorists from nuking us out of existence. Anybody can project “what might have been”. But the truth is that there is no way to prove such statements.
        I say that if we got Government completely out of the marketplace, we would have only short term calamities which would be quickly corrected by Free Markets. But can I prove it? Hardly. Since people have been so successfully brainwashed to believe that Big Government is the solution, it is doubtful that we will ever experiment with Freedom again until the country completely collapses.

        • Warrior

          And that my friend is probably the most accurate statement of our future.

        • meteorlady

          I believe that is true. We will probably collapse like Russia and then the rebuilding will start again. Hopefully Soros will croak and the Bildeburg group will silently disappear and we can all start over without their interference in our daily lives.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, I’m sure Washington is pleased when they hear they’re sheep defending them, it means the Progressive media, radio, news papers & blogs have done they’re job. You’ve trolled well, and like a sucker fish, you’ll stay and feed.

        • Karolyn

          Angel – I believe what I believe. Contrary to what you may think, there are two sides to every story. There’s no way of proving anything until the fat lady sings.

          • Anthony

            Maybe you need to take a class not paid for, by those that you defend. It can be said they have a stake in what you believe, ESPECIALLY since they have funded those things you say you believe so heartily.

            It comes out more like you were BOUGHT OFF, so now you have an investment concern surrounding what you believe.

            Do you ever give credence to the known INDEPENDENT NEWS SOURCES? ..EVER??

          • Angel Wannabe

            K_-theres is plenty of “PROOF” in video quotes of the words(lies) spoken by the authors themselves___It’s ill relevent to people like you who do the masters bidding and make a comfortable living rallying for the cause & continue the propaganda your masters set forth___If your going to debate politics with your opposition, you have to know HOW the opposition thinks__Most of us here do!

          • Karolyn

            I resent that remark. I haven’t been “bought off.” I am very grateful for the help I have received from the government, but that has nothing to do with my political views. I had help in 2004 from the state of NJ for medical reasons; Bush was in office then, but I still didn’t like him! I ALWAYS listen to both sides of a story and read and surf the net a lot. I think you and others like you just don’t get it. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; there are always at least two sides to a story and both should be heard with respect and allowed to hold their opinion without being called names or treated badly. I can give credence to things that the “other side” is claiming, while still maintaining my independence. I’m sitting here shaking my head trying to figure out how you can’t get that. It’s the black and white issue again. It’s not all black and white; there are shades of grey.

          • Angel Wannabe

            K__The Government propaganda has done they’re job by making you dependent on them in a time of need, in return you feel you owe them a debt of gratitude, like that of a parent caring for a sick child._-plus, they ensured another vote!__We’ve all had trouble in our lives, we get through it, pick up and go on._-What good is repaying the helper, that helped you, nothing is learned?_If you feel you owe a debt for someone helping you, then help others as you were helped?!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – What on earth are you talking about? I don’t feel like I have to support anybody because I received, and still receive, money from the government. That is the furthest thing from my mind and has nothing to do with my thinking. I thought the same way long before I ever received any kind of help. I feel that, as an American citizen having supported this country for so long, I deserve it. You are way off-base.

          • vicki

            Karolyn writes:
            “I received, and still receive, money from the government.”

            Ummm.. You receive money from US. The government has no money it does not take from us. By force if necessary.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – I have paid taxes for 45 years. Don’t tell me that if you were on your own with no family and no income you wouldn’t accept $150 per month in food stamps. I am receiving money from AmeriCorps right now as a living expense while working for a nonprofit that works with domestic and sexual violence and child abuse. This volunteer position is providing me with an education while assisting the deserving organization and helping my fellow human being. I could only have goten this position if I were in school, which is being paid for with Pell Grant. I’m proud of what I’m doing, and I know that my education will help others, which is what I feel we are all here to do.

          • Angel Wannabe

            K,___ none of us deserve anything!

            “If you’re not liberal when you’re young, you have no heart. If you’re not conservative when you’re older, you have no brain.”
            attributed to Winston Churchill

          • Karolyn

            Angel – We all deserve the best because we are all One and the children of God. That’s what He wants for us.

          • vicki

            And God provides. Are you saying that God provides thru government. I rather thought that God provided by showing us how to live (teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime) and encouraging us to of our own free will provide training and help to others thru church and charity.

          • Karolyn

            That reminds me of the story of the man on the roof of his house during a flood. He was calling out to God for help when a boat came along to rescue him. He told the boat to go away; he was waiting for God. Soon another boat came along, and he said the same. Eventually, he was washed off the roof and drowned. When he faced God, he asked him why he hadn’t saved him. Of course, God’s reply was “Well, I sent two boats.” When floundering, God send us help in many ways. It’s up to us to grab on and jump into the boat, be it public assitance, a job or anything else.

          • Vicki

            I remember that story. Though when I heard it there were 3 different things that came. One was a neighbor in a boat, and the last was a TV News Helicopter. What they all had in common was that they were people in the community banding together of their own free will and charity to help each other out. Now for the story to work obviously the people prayed to God for guidance before they went into the storm to help their neighbors but that is how it would work.

            It was still a good story about Gods grace. :)

          • DaveH

            So, Karolyn, you believe in God? But you don’t believe in the Ten Commandments?

          • Karolyn

            Geez, Dave, how much more am I gonna be taken apart. Not that I mind, really. My life is an open book, and I don’t hide anything. Of course I believe in the ten commandments!

          • DaveH

            One of them is “Thou Shalt Not Steal”.
            It doesn’t say ‘unless the person you steal from is rich’.
            It doesn’t say ‘except when your gang is 100 million people large’.
            It doesn’t say ‘unless you only participate in theft by voting for others to do it for you’.

            It just says “Thou Shalt Not Steal”. Get it?

          • DaveH

            And it doesn’t say ‘unless you are using the property for a truly noble purpose’.
            When you take property (that includes money) from an unwilling donor, that is stealing. It doesn’t matter what group you join. Whether it is a small gang, or a very large gang under the title of Government. It is still stealing.
            That includes murder, by the way. Like for instance non-defensive military actions undertaken by Government.
            Our Founders frowned on the concept that immorality was okay when practiced by Government.

          • Michael J.

            Karolyn,
            You said:
            “That reminds me of the story of the man on the roof of his house during a flood. He was calling out to God for help when a boat came along to rescue him. He told the boat to go away; he was waiting for God. Soon another boat came along, and he said the same. Eventually, he was washed off the roof and drowned. When he faced God, he asked him why he hadn’t saved him. Of course, God’s reply was “Well, I sent two boats.” When floundering, God send us help in many ways. It’s up to us to grab on and jump into the boat, be it public assitance, a job or anything else”.

            Karolyn,
            Humorous and heart warming.
            I’ve had you figured all along as a woman who worships a little man in a boat.

      • CJ

        Karolyn, we could stop drunk driving by banning cars, too. The end does NOT justify the means. Get a grip on reality. Putting our grandkids deep in debt to save ourselves is not a plan. If you overchange your credit account, eventually you have to pay it off. You can’t force on others for your own greed. Stop the entitlements and take our medicine. When you’re in a hole, STOP DIGGING!

      • alpha-lemming

        “…. the amount of wealth is staggering. There’s enough money for everybody”!!

        To be given away?? Glaring in its’ omission is your failure to mention people EARNING their money. No disrespect intended to you (the nice old lady down the road), but the only perceptable conclusion from this statement is you expect to sit on your duff and have me mail money to you. Please be honest and let me know how many of you and your relatives I’m expected to support so I can calculate how much more of my meager middle-class existence I must sacrifice so you guys can get satellite TV.

        • Karolyn

          Alpha – I’m talking globally, in a bigger context than I guess you can understand. “As ye give, So shall ye receive.” And don’t worry; I have no family to speak of – no kids or husband. My 2 brothers do well. (And one has worked for nonprofits his whole life.) I have asked for little from them, but they are there for me should I really be in trouble. They have families.

          • vicki

            As the government takes so shall it give? Only to governments chosen.
            How about we get back to the giving part. 30-50% to government doesn’t leave us with much to give :(

          • alpha-lemming

            I have NO problem at all seeing any “big picture” you can imagine. Here’s the dirty little secret the one-worlders will never grasp/accept… there’s not enough money in the entire world to make everyone in it “middle-class”. Ergo, to make everyone the same, (elimination of disparity is your goal… is it not??) the ONLY option is to make us all poor. Everyone, that is, except for our “most benevolent and gracious masters upon whom we all depend, whose existence causes the sun to shine and rain to fall, and whose noses we are not worthy to pick” (M. Python 3:16). Helluva societal utopia you’ve planned out for me. Forgive me if I don’t share your enthusiasm.

          • Karolyn

            I beg to differ, Grannie. There is enough of everything in this world for everybody. I don’t know about class, but there is enough. If you look from the point of view of lack, of course there’s not enough. But if you truly see the abundance in the world, you can see that there is plenty.

          • Karolyn

            Oops! I was addressing Alpha.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn writes:
            “There is enough of everything in this world for everybody.”

            Indeed there is.
            From the book of Matthew
            “6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much better than they?
            6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
            6:28 And why take you thought for clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
            6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.”

            God provides. Not government. Taking Gods gifts from people (at gunpoint if necessary) and giving those gifts to others is just plain WRONG.

      • meteorlady

        Because you see people driving expensive cars and living large, doesn’t mean that they still have money to spend. They don’t for the most part. A lot of people lost a lot of money in 2008 and it’s not coming back anytime soon. That’s why they are cutting back on spending. I know, I own a small business and it has never been as bad as it is right now. I see fellow business associates go under while watching GM suck up government money so union workers and executives can have huge wages and bonuses for providing a poor quality product.

        I’m going to assume that somewhere along the line you must depend on some type of federal assistance because you so adamantly defend the federal government. I worked hard, paid my own way through college, started my business – all without government assistance. So, I have no respect for crybabies that “need” help getting what others have worked so hard to get.

    • BigBadJohn

      I always likened GWB and the republicans to a carny magician.

      Keep your eye on the birdie, Keep your eye on the birdie, as they pick your pocket. The birdie of course was fear mongering about terrorists. I heard over and over and over again that they were coming to get us, If you are reading this in English, thank a serviceman, if not for us invading Iraq all women would be wearing burkas, etc,etc,etc. Which of course completely overlooks the facts that there is less than 1% Muslim in the USA and not a single middle east country could raise an invasion fleet.

      Then there comes the money – which is what it really was all about. First there was 12 billion that the pentagon made disappear, which was announced 9/10/2001 and forgotten about. Then there were the no bid contracts to a convicted embezzler – Neil Bush, no bid to Haliburton which made Cheney’s stock option worth a lot more. Then came Iraq war and flying 10 Billion in CASH to GWB’s supporters, of course all of this money vanished.

      It is a simple matter that the republicans showed how easy it was to steal 5 trillion dollars – now the democrats want their share!

      In a twist of irony, the party that did the most damage to the constitution by holding people without charging them, eliminating Habious Corpus, civil asset forfeiture laws – Seizures of property with no conviction, wire tapping with no court order – now claims they are for restoring the constitution.

      • Lapsina

        correction according to the 2009 stats (and Obama, as he stated it himself in one of his blah blah telepromting speeches….) there are at least 7 million muslims in the US. (other stats you can google, average muslim family has 4 children, most have more and some have up to 8)

        census stats from 2010 could not identify the 2010 muslim population becuase of religious categories are not on it and there is no Arab/Persian box for them to check- according to several muslim organizations “a real sore spot” for them.

        • BigBadJohn

          OK that still equates to only about 2% of the total population of the USA. I do not know if this takes into account “black Muslims”.

          • JeffH

            BBJ, a muslim is a muslim no matter the “color”!

          • vicki

            We don’t much notice skin color around here but you can always depend on a liberal to bring it up.

          • JeffH

            vicki. Yep!

        • Bleh

          BigBadJohn
          “In a twist of irony, the party that did the most damage to the constitution by holding people without charging them, eliminating Habious Corpus, civil asset forfeiture laws – Seizures of property with no conviction, wire tapping with no court order – now claims they are for restoring the constitution.”

          In another twist Oblamo wants to hold people indefinitely, wants mandatory civil service trained like military and none of the Democrat heroes have repealed any of the legislation that has damaged the Constitution. They owned the House, Senate and Presidency yet did nothing. They had the House and Senate during Bush’s last 2 years too and Bush IIRC vetoed nothing.

          It is all good though perhaps some of these new Republicans are not RINOs, certainly the Democrats are not going to do anything..

          • BigBadJohn

            ” They owned the House, Senate and Presidency yet did nothing. ”

            Hmmm Democrats owned all three branchs for 2 years, Republicans owned all three for 6 years, and both house for 12 years – and created the constitutional damage.

      • meteorlady

        Well – that was well said, however, dig into Pelosi’s investments. Dig into Al Gore’s investments in global warming. Seems the boy is set to clean house from his investment in the Chicago Climate Exchange and Cap & Trade hasn’t even passed. Seems Obama, the Clintons and a few more close friends are also invested.

        It’s all the same – both parties…..

    • DaveH

      And when I read your comments, Flashdunce, I see that the inmates are trying to run the asylum.

      • Bob Wire

        D- comeback and I’m being most generous

    • Concerned American

      You have a point about Clinton and G.W. Bush, but Obama has spent like 3 times the money Bush ever spent. A lot of people say that its necessary. That we have to go way more in debt to fix our debt. This is stupid and doesn’t work for any individual. Why would it work for government?

      Of course, hardly anyone from the right or the left talks about one of the true evils in our system – the Federal Reserve. Until we abolish the Fed, all this talk about spending cuts, tax increases or decreases, etc., are child’s play. I know liberals, who hate big banks and big business would get behind the idea of ending a private gaggle of elite bankers controlling the issuaince of currency through the federal reserve.

      I understand now why the US army was monitoring end the fed rallies. Ending the Federal Reserve would give us TRUE ECONOMIC REFORM. It would be the first step to ending the elititst power over us. Congress needs to issue money as per our consitution!!! Not a gaggle of ultra fat cats!!!

      • Bob Wire

        “but Obama has spent like 3 times the money Bush ever spent.”

        Not yet he hasn’t, but it is “feared” he will.

        He’s started out of the gate as a big spender for sure !

        That 43 threw him the keys to the White House, January 20th 1999 with bills past due, credit cards maxed, trash not taken out in weeks, lawn not mowed, and all gas tanks setting on “EMPTY” and a turd floating in the bowl. 44 has had some “expenses” you would think most incoming Presidents wouldn’t be required to address.

        But you are right! this National Debt is most concerning. he’s is responsible for 1.8 trillion of a 14 trillion dollar debt as of a few days ago.

        • BigBadJohn

          “He’s started out of the gate as a big spender for sure !”

          Absolutely true. But he INHERITED a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit.

          • Karolyn

            He also went gung ho into his presidency trying to get things done rather than hang out and confer with advisors for a year without addressing anything meaningful.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, getting things done as in “redistrubuting the wealth”?
            Health Care bill…need I say any more?

          • David

            Added $3T in two years…..

          • Bob Wire

            the numbers are bad enough without your x 2 embellishment

    • e6jr

      HFlashman…

      I see your points until
      #4 “…Then came Bush II and the corrupt GOP Congress…”

      please remember that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD THE MAJORITY IN CONGRESS THE LAST 2 YEARS OF BUSH’S PRESIDENCY.

      to be fair you must be accurate..
      thanks

      • Anthony

        THe DEMS also owned Congress during GW’s first TWO years in POTUS, as well.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Anthony and they were hijacked then as well. Nothing gets done!!!

        • BigBadJohn

          I think you better check your beliefs against historical fact. Republicans took control of the congress in 1994 and held continuous majority through 2006.

    • Dave in SoCal

      Flashman,

      You left out the fact that Clinton’s government was controlled by the Republican congress and senate during the time he posted the best financial years of his adminstrations.

      Slow down and look back in history. Raising taxes never helps a country climb out of a recession. Lowering taxes / creating business incentives promotes more tax revenue because more people make more money that they can pay taxes on.

      Also, Clinton’s administration is the one that allowed the banking industry to enter into the dirivitive market which initially spurred business on pour financial deals which ultimately caused the real estate bubble to burst.

      • BigBadJohn

        In 1993, conservatives unanimously predicted that Bill Clinton’s tax increase on incomes over $200,000 would slow growth, reduce tax revenues, and likely cause a recession. Instead, of course, the economy boomed and revenue skyrocketed. Then George W. Bush cut upper-bracket tax rates, and conservatives predicted that this would cause the economy to grow even faster. Instead, the economy experienced the first business cycle where income was lower at the peak of the business cycle than it had been at the peak of the previous business cycle. It is rare that events so utterly repudiate an economic theory.

        None of this evidence has penetrated the conservative mind to the slightest degree. Reading the right-wing press, it is exactly as true today as it was 18 years ago that reducing Clinton-era upper-bracket tax rates holds the key to economic growth. (The latest Weekly Standard editorial: The best place to combine fiscal rectitude and pro-growth economics is the tax code. “After repealing Obama-care, the second agenda item for the new GOP Congress is extending current tax rates.”)

        • HFlashman

          They like to say the same about JFK and his tax reductions. Again..JFK’s tax decreases were cetnered on the middle class. It’s not the wealthy that carry this nation…it’s the Middle Class. Under both reagan and Bush II..the wealthy became subsidized way past their value to this nation. Erasing the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy…remembering they were touted as ‘temprary’ merely brings them to the levels of the Clinton era…ad I don’t believe they were suffering back then if memory serves correct.

          Why pile on more debt by giving the wealthy more subsidy? Why should WE pay more in the overal national debt because they cry and whine about having to pay thier way?

        • Anthony

          John -

          You are slightly mistaken … there WAS a recession in themaking in 1993. The Clinton Tax Hike was RETRO-ACTIVE. meaning that people who thought they had their taxes all paid up, were now owing back taxes.

          Two things occurred within the next year, which interfered with the actual Recensson that was gaining momentum at the beginning of 1994…

          1. The Internet was becoming more than a bouncing new baby…
          2. The Gingrich Repubs tookover blocking most of what Clinton wantd to get away with.

          Clinton also brags about paying off the National Debt – bogus claim

          Instead he moved money around – taking $$$ out of the Social Security Fund, for 24 hours – to do the photo op – and the next day, put it all back, leaving us with the same debt we had all along. While the $$ was missing from Social Security – people did not get paid as they normally did.

          Clinton had the right attitude about our Debt – but he had a Rhodes College mental approach to how it should be handled – he did NOT promote less spending by his own Party. Instead, he just spent time blaming the other Party for tht which his Party was up to. Normal “Mommy, johnny won’t play nice” type stuff, that ol’ Slick Willy was always famous for .. like the momma’s boy he has always been.

          Cheers

          • BigBadJohn

            “You are slightly mistaken … there WAS a recession in themaking in 1993.”

            Correction in 1992 we were already in the middle of a BUSH recession – which is the reason Clinton won. Just like now, even though the recession is officially “over”, the jobs still had not come back. It took the first 2 years of Clinton presidency for the jobs to come back – which is why the republicans won majorities in both houses in 1994.

    • John Galt

      Econ 101: The government cannot create jobs. Not under any context. A job consists of a job description and compensation package. That Comp package consists of funds that are taken from the pockets of real working individuals. The quantity X, taken from working individuals is strictly greater than quantity Y, paid in compensation for Govt. jobs. The long inefficient pipeline of govt extracts a large percentage of the initial X that is expropriated / taxed. The original X would have been saved, invested and otherwise ‘put to work’ in the creation of jobs as the Effect of an individual need being satisfied. A job is an Effect; it cannot be created — ‘creating jobs’ only results in net deficits.

      Morally speaking, it is also unconscionable for the government to take money from the producers and those that have clearly demonstrated an exercised ability to Earn money — and redistribute that money to those whose sloth, incompetence, lack of motivation or other debilitating characteristic has amounted to their inability to secure meaningful employment on their own.

      One man’s need is never a lien against another man’s life.

      To believe that the government can create jobs is to have the comprehension of economics equivalent to that of a three year old. The toddler does not think; the toddler only perceives. To see the ‘new jobs’ with workers grading a new road or similar, is to perceive the worker – the job.

      Consider mommy and baby, in the car, driving to the supermarket as baby makes an observation while looking out the window:
      “Looky mommy, peoples workin!” says baby to mommy. “Yeah baby, peoples workin, Bommy said he would create jobs, and look, peoples workin. How can those nasty Pubkins says govment cant make jobs? Lookit those peoples workin!” says mommy.

      The thinking adult will be able to ‘see’ that which cannot be perceived; to comprehend that the govt. job could only be ‘created’ as the result of taking from the real creators and producers – the individuals that made the rational decisions in self-interest to provide something – a product or service – that would be valued by another individual – and that through a mutually beneficial exchange, both parties end up winning. Jobs are only created as the result – the effect – of a recognized need where freedom of exchange can take place. Government cannot create jobs.

    • David

      Hey Flashpants, it was Bush 2 that bailed out the banks and avoided the depression with TARP….Most of which has been paid back. You are a typical liberal – screwing up the facts.

      I think it was your people’s stimulus bill that created the beginning of the end and now to get out lets let Ben Ber-yank-me run with QE2? Looks like they are trying to cover thier tracks.

      • Bleh

        Oblamo voted for TARP as well in his other office, lets not forget.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      For an apparently informed person, you’re amazingly obtuse. You think some paid-for political party-or-other is actually responsible for anything? Stop all this MSM nonsense and grow some political pubic hairs. (Sorry, I forgot for a second you were a shill-troll.)

      People, NOTHING you read is true except that which you discern between the lines. Or don’t they teach this fact in school anymore. They actually did, in my day. Though I didn’t need to hear it (delivered ‘em, didn’t read ‘em), anyone capable of sifting through bullshit looking for nuggets of truth could do this.

      It helps to remember one mantram: “Who is saying this? Why do they want me to believe it (cui bono?)”

      Answer both of those questions, and you have a primary lens through which to examine and judge the supposed truth. There are certainly others, but these should be your very first.

      “Who said it? And cui bono?” Follow that up with an examination of means, motive, and opportunity like cops do, and nine times out of ten you’ll nail the reality of it: the Who, Why, When, Where reporters supposedly seek and report. Naturally the How will be obfuscated by MSM, as will the Why, so throw a little Kentucky windage into the equation.

      Nothing in MSM is as it seems (even the cooking channel) but sift out the reality. If you’re too dumb to get it, return to your knitting and soap operas, please stay away from cars or voting machines. (I know I do…well one of those.)

    • meteorlady

      Do you ever give up on you blame rants? We can do that forever but the fact is things are they way they are because we have been creeping toward socialism for years and years. Perhaps the most damaging were the LBJ Great Society Programs as they are full responsible for the entitlement debt we have today. They are responsible for the Social Security Trust Fund being broke because LBJ passed Medicare by dipping into the SS trust fund in order to make Medicare “appear” revenue neutral. We didn’t need medicare or any or that. We need that responsibility to stay with the states. The federal government has ruined most everything it has touched.
      Take the war on poverty – since it was enacted there are 20% more people per capita in poverty than at the inception of the program.

  • BigBadJohn

    Here is another POV from an investment news letter – NOT Agora.

    Friday’s employment report had plenty to cheer. First, revisions to numbers from August and September were positives. Second, job creation picked up, although the overall unemployment number, at 9.6%, remained at the same level it’s been at since August.

    What we’re seeing, incrementally but inexorably, is improvement in various economic measures, suggesting that the U.S. economy is ever so slowly digging out of its deep hole. That isn’t to say we’ll be hitting the pace last seen in 2007 and early 2008, but it isn’t the doomsday scenario that the bears like to promote.

    Currency bears, however, are looking smart for the moment (how long that lasts is anyone’s guess). Gold topped $1,400 per ounce on Monday and hit $1,414.85 on Tuesday before retreating. What’s driving it? Revived fears of banking problems and sovereign debt issues in Europe have made investors skittish. But really, gold is becoming a proxy for the dollar, rising when the dollar declines, as it has with the continuous cutting of interest rates here at home. But as gold goes up, cooler heads are warning that the exit will be extremely painful. Dan likens it to a movie theater that slowly fills with patrons waiting patiently for the movie to start. Yet, if someone yells “fire” the mad rush for the exits almost certainly will mean someone gets hurt, badly. That’s what will happen to gold investors who think they’ve latched onto a one-way ticket to vast riches. By the way, given all of the talk of gold crossing $1,400 per ounce, the fact is that its price is up about 28% this year, which is good, but hardly astounding given the stock market’s 12.5% rise. It’s not as if gold has rolled up huge gains while leaving all other assets gathering moss.

    • Conservative at Birth

      The stock market is up, only because the Fed is printing money and loaning it to Goldman Sachs and their ilk an near 0%, and they in turn are buyin stocks. The crash is coming, it is only a matter of when, not if.

      • Bob Wire

        screw the stock market !

        that’s where one of our biggest problem resides

        a game of chance, why don’t we just all go to Vegas and give the mob our money and cut out all the middle man.

        • JC

          Better yet, why don’t just let the mob run the country. They’re probably less corrupt than what we have and they make no bones about it. That and they only want 10% of the action.
          I think I could do a whole lot better in those circumstances. ;)

          • Bob Wire

            that’s what I’ve always thought ! Get this “disorganization” out of crime!

        • DaveH

          Bob,
          Stock markets serve as a vehicle for ordinary folks to ride on the coattails of the movers and the shakers in our society. When people invest their money in stocks, it gives good companies a chance to buy more capital equipment to become more productive and grow their market share. Of course those investors should first do their homework and make good educated guesses about which companies are doing the right things and which aren’t. Yes, it is a gamble, especially for those who aren’t willing to put in the necessary study time.
          But I would rather take a gamble with capitalism than face the certain bad economy that results from socialism.

          • DaveH

            The most important thing to take away from this is that buying financial instruments is Voluntary, Taxes aren’t.

          • Bob Wire

            Thanks for explaining that Dave ~ and it was pretty much as I thought !

            After your explanation of it, I still believe it to be a screwed up system of conducting business and not rooted into solid or sound business practices but the hopes and joy of possible gains via luck and personal intuition into matters you are not privileges to see, understand or know all the facts, leaving you to “chance” your loot while predicting in the blind.

            I see it as swimming with sharks ~ swim with friends and never swim alone. ~ and that’s exactly what is taking place.

            Why should a whole institution of business be founded on such practice?

            Such coattails, I see no interest or amusement as I know it to be at my expense now or later.

            What happened to the notion of creating something besides a vehicle to screw people out of money in this country?

            Selling cars with see-thu windows and rotating tires?

          • Bob Wire

            voluntary to play? good point!

            so was these bailouts seen a voluntary as well? I suppose they were.

            There’s no requirement to pay ransom money, it’s purely voluntary if looked at in the right light.

            I understand your point and argument. We’d be swimming against a strong current of activity to do otherwise. It’s your freewill to do with your money as you wish, a gun is not being put to anyone’s head.

            But a gun is being places to people heads that are not engaged, ~ to support and defend the people that are engaged, with notions and threats of “Too big to Fail” and “Eminent Doom” if we don’t!

            Crazy world we live in. There is many ways to fall victim of others, it’s not just the poor or underachieves we must look out for, but the Tycoons and Joe Potatoes as well.

          • vicki

            Bob Wire writes:
            “But a gun is being places to people heads that are not engaged, ~ to support and defend the people that are engaged, with notions and threats of “Too big to Fail” and “Eminent Doom” if we don’t! ”

            Nope that is just fear mongering. The gun comes out when you refuse to pay tax to support the bailouts.

            Or soon when you refuse to buy Obamacare and refuse to pay a penalty.

          • DaveH

            What’s the alternative, Bob? Giving the Sharks the power of force? By giving the reins to the Government? Are they somehow more trustworthy?
            It has been my observation throughout life that people who don’t trust anybody are generally not trustworthy themselves.

          • Bob Wire

            “DaveH says:
            November 12, 2010 at 9:47 pm

            What’s the alternative, Bob? Giving the Sharks the power of force? By giving the reins to the Government?”

            Good question DaveH , I glad that you ask it!

            How about people working inside their means ! You know , like all the rest of us must do?

            Get the speculation out of business. ~ If a concern has a project interest and short funds. ~ Do like everyone else must do when you are short the water to float your boat. Borrow it! leverage something real! not something “projected” If it’s a solid business idea why should this be so impossible to do?

          • Vicki

            How is borrowing NOT speculation by the lender? Are you saying cause the loan would be secured by hard assets?

            If so perhaps you can describe speculation better. Also explain why a free people would not be allowed to make speculative investments.

      • BigBadJohn

        I guess you are missing what this guy means. If you are buying gold now at $1400 an ounce – you are too late. Just like in a stock market crash – you will be the bag holder. You will own something worth a lot less that you can not eat or trade for food at the grocery store who’s shelves are empty.

        • DaveH

          John,
          That would only be true if you were talking about the “value” of Gold, that is, how many other goods and services can be purchased with that gold. The “price” of Gold (in Dollars) is a whole different animal. The Price of Gold will only quit growing when the supply of paper money quits growing. Short term, it indeed may be overvalued, but good investors allocate their money based on educated assumptions about probable future events. Typically, they are investing months, maybe even years, ahead of their probable occurances.
          Of course they aren’t always right, just as a good card-player doesn’t always win. But if they follow the probabilities, in the long run they will prosper. And the probabilities are now that excess money creation is going to go on for a very long time because there are just too many ignorant voters lined up at the trough.
          Read about the experiences of Argentina in the 1980s. There are many historical examples of hyperinflation. Read this to learn:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

          • BigBadJohn

            Yes I am quite aware of Argentina. This was one of my main problems with Bush, he destroyed the value of the dollar more than any president since Nixon.

            But the same thing that always happens, will happen again. The “Haves” will make money off of it and the “have nots” will get crushed.

            Gold is a good idea, but ANY commodity is just as good.

          • DaveH

            Okay, John, here are the facts:
            In Jan 2001 the Australian Dollar cost us 56 cents.
            In Jan 2009 the Australian Dollar cost us 67 cents.
            In Oct 2010 the Australian Dollar cost us 98 cents.

          • DaveH

            In Jan 2001 the Canadian Dollar cost us 67 cents.
            In Jan 2009 the Canadian Dollar cost us 82 cents.
            In October 2010 the Canadian Dollar cost us 98 cents.

            As you can see it took Bush’s entire presidency to weaken the dollar as much as Obama has in just 2 years.

            If you want to learn how the dollar fared against other currencies, go here:
            http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/CAD/hist2001.html

          • Bleh

            “Yes I am quite aware of Argentina. This was one of my main problems with Bush, he destroyed the value of the dollar more than any president since Nixon. ”
            The value of the dollar was destroyed long before Bush. You just did not notice it. Your parents surely did I am sure.
            Here is a nice Graph that leaves No Illusion as to what is responsible:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dollar_value_chart.gif

          • BigBadJohn

            Thanks for the link Dave, I always use the Commodity charts which are not as acurate as currency exchanges.

            My comment about Bush was in the past tense, Bush drove us to the brink, but the current administration is not putting on the brakes.

            My opinion is that we need to balance the budget at all costs! If it means pulling all of our troops home and cutting military spending to the bone, cutting entitlement programs to the bone, raising taxes – whatever it takes.

            We are paying 400 billion per year on interest on the debt alone even at the current low interest rate. If we get into inflation and the rates double we will be paying a trillion dollars a year in interest.
            That would be a trillion dollars that could be put to good use.

            POLITICIANS are the problem, raising taxes is unpopular so most politicians refuse, cutting military is unpopular, cutting entitlement is unpopular, etc, etc, etc

        • Al Sieber

          BigBadJohn, I would rather hold a bag of gold and silver, then worthless paper printed up by some govt. gold and silver always holds it’s value.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I keep hearing in all kinds of post, about buying gold. Take you money and buy gold. Why wouldnt history repeat itself on this? In 1933 Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order and confiscated gold from the citizenry of this United States under penalty of large fines or jail, and the only exceptions were gold coins having a recognized special value to collectors of rare and unusual coins. After the gold was received, the government melted the majority of the coins, then the government raised the golds value by nearly 75 percent. Sweet for them eh? These actions helped Roosevelt inflate the U.S. economy during the mid and late 1930′s. These actions also led to a loss of a number of important freedoms for the American people – freedoms from long-term inflation, expanding government, gold confiscation (except collectors) and government intrusion into our private financial matters. Even more significantly, American citizens lost the substantial benefit of having a dollar as good as gold when Roosevelt took the United States off the gold standard. By 1950 the U.S. government owned almost half of the worlds gold supply, and the dollar was as good as gold. Pretty much, now its all gone, shipped off to Swiss and German bnaks, and credited to the account of the Vatican Bank. During World War II, Fort Knox was modified to allow easy access to the Main Storage Vault. Beginning in 1961, gold began to flow out and was taken to the Federal Reserve Vaults in New York City. 33 Liberty Street in downtown New York City, 2 blocks from Wall Street, is the home of the Federal Reserve Bank. All the stolen gold was taken here and stored in the basement. Now the Fed plays with it. So what makes everyone so certain that you can put all this cash into gold, that the old government aint going to come around and take it all again? If it was looking into, its probably this same Fed selling you this so called gold, taking your cash, and then selling this same gold over and over and over. Unless it was delivered into my hand, I wouldnt consider myself as owning the gold. And even at that, say you get you a good stockpile of gold, what good is it when for one, you cant cut off a piece of it and go shopping for groceries with it, and and two, when they come to take it, what you going to do? This is my question, if anyone can answer it, because it just doesnt seem like a trustworthy investment to me. Not when those that took it before can come take it again.

    • Conservative at Birth

      The gold issue is addressed in the Obamacare Health fiasco. Check it out.

      • Linda Jackson

        Conservative at Birth: You are exactly right! Hidden with the so-called ObamaCare Bill, there is a provision to allow the feds to confiscate all gold from US Citizens. If you refuse to relinquish it to them you can be imprisoned and fine a chunk of money. Now why would anyone put this kind of provision in a health care bill? Perhaps so all oblivious Americans will never suspect?

        • Concerned American

          I would just say somebody stole my gold many years ago.

        • Bob Wire

          Linda , it’s redundancy. ~ What laws we have on the books today, already does that. The Government is just waiting for you to die is all. Your estate to be divided as per committed obligation, indebtedness and assets~ or pasted on to your survivors. ~ The government clean up the mess and any left overs, sometimes absorbing short falls. Where you are headed, you have little need of it.

          If you plan to give something away ~ do it before you die! You get the reward of seeing your wishes served and maybe even some appreciation.

          If we allowed/let/ people to have final say, the final word on such matters of wealth, estates and transfers of responsibilities. That’s what “WILLS” and “LAWS” are all about on such matters.

          Can you stop to ponder the circus that might provide without them?

          It’s a hard truth, that none of us like to think about. Many family’s might do it well ~ but it’s got to be done and government has stepped forward to see it is carried out and cleans up like a flock of sea gulls.

    • Al Sieber

      Beberoni, first of all they didn’t just come and take it, they paid you $20.66 a oz. for it, and they were after bullion. 6 months later they raised the price to $35.00 a oz. making a hefty profit by selling it to Europe. they didn’t go door to door taking your gold. they gave you paper for your gold. so they stole it out right.

      • vicki

        And if executive orders are supposed to be only for federal employees as someone else said on a thread here in PL then stole is most certainly the correct word.

        I wonder if people would fall for it a second time. Probably not. That is why there may be something hidden in the 2000+ page health care bill.

        Does anyone have a list yet? I want to torment my liberal friends who voted for Pelosi.

      • Al Sieber

        I forgot to add that with this administration anything can happen, Obama’s world wide trip wasn’t successful, every nation turned him down.the only good thing we have left is the 2nd amendment. we’re in for a hell of a ride.

    • Concerned American

      Your argument against buying gold could apply to not hoarding anything. Afterall, the army could show up with a M1A1 main battle tank and 50 calibur machine guns to take gold, food, your first born, your video games, your DVDs, etc.

      Better to hoard food and supplies and at least have them for a few days before the army takes it all away.

      I have said many times that our lives are in the hands of police and military. The elitists themselves can’t be bothered from their cocktail parties. Tyranny will come from those we mindlessly thanked and praised yesterday during veterne’s day.

      • Tony

        Concerned American,
        Our military is sworn to protect us from from all enemies foriegn and domestic! Do you know what that means? For the most part our military is our children, brothers and sisters and they will not turn against the American people. Your fears are from ignorance!

      • Karolyn

        Then how was it that the National Guard fired on protesting students at Kent State?

        • Tony

          Are you talking about the communist student protesters that were throwing rocks at them and calling them baby killers?

          • vicki

            I’m not sure that constitutes a clear and present danger. And their aim was atrocious. The 4 people actually struck by gunfire were not particularly close to the NG.

          • Karolyn

            Tony – They wee just students voicing their opinion. They didn’t deserve to be shot no matter what they did.

          • Craig

            All communists deserve to be shot. Same goes for socialists.

          • Vicki

            Actually Craig they do not deserve to be shot mearly for having a different opinion from us. It is their albatross and it is their right to have those opinions and to express them. Peacefully. Throwing rocks is not peaceful.

            They deserve to be stopped (shot if necessary) ONLY when they try to force us against our will to live the way they want us to. Note: they rarely plan on living the way they plan to force on us. (See the old Soviet Union for an example)

            Our forefathers were well aware of the kind of thinking that spawns communists and socialists. That is why they wrote the Constitution to LIMIT government and LIMIT the powers that we the people could delegate to government even if 100% of us wanted to.

            Communists are welcome to form little communes and as long as everyone there is there by free choice we have no reason to care.

            Most or all of the communes I ever heard of have of course disappeared but we know that is the end result of such places. They don’t sustain very well. Ask anyone from the old Soviet Union. Of course that was actually an oligarchy pretending to be a commune.

            So even with the force of government a commune will only last a short time.

        • JeffH

          K, OK, how about the Feds killing innocents at Ruby Ridge and Waco?
          Now I’ll trust the National Guard before I’ll ever trust the feds.

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, also what about gun confiscation by the National Guard during Hurricane Katrina?

          • Angel Wannabe

            JeffH and AL, thats what these so called Washington elitest bastards do, wait for a catastrophe, then show up & claim they’re there to help!

          • JeffH

            Al, You’re correct and they did take their marching orders like good little soldiers didn’t they.

            Have you heard about the “Fusion Centers” that are information gathering and sharing centers scattered arount the country? They’re not just looking for, intruding and collecting information on terrorist activity, they’re collecting info on anybody “THEY” have deemed a threat. Got a favorite anti-Obama bumper sticker on your car or a Down with big government decal in your window or even typing on these websites get you landed on a watch list.

            How about the CDC/FEMA “Residential” compounds that are all over the country, surrounded by double wide high fences with razor wire pointed inward rather than out and the FEMA coffins that were patented as “multi-functional cremation containers” for dead bodies, in case of a pandemic outbreak. All of this in co-operation of the UN/World Health Organization.

            There have been credible reports and video of 500,000+ FEMA coffins stacked in Georgia, close to FEMA IV’s regional headuqarter’s in Atlanta. DHS has a free rein and is in complete control without any oversight.

            http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/fema-coffin-patent-multi-functional-cremation-container-for-a-cadavar-fema-coffin-ownership-traced-back-to-cdc-and-who/

          • JeffH

            How about the little kown tool of the FBI – INFRAGARD?
            Turn In Your Friends, Your Neighbors, Your Relatives, Your Children.. Join Infragard Today!

            InfraGard is supposed to be a partnership between the FBI and the private sector.
            They’ve recruited regular citizens to “spy and report” suspicious activity to their FBI Special Agent Coordinator of their region.

            You don’t like your next door neighbor, he’s an a$s h0le and you participate in Infragard…so you report him as suspicious, just because you don’t like him and then the intrusions start, bank accounts, Boy Scouts, work, your private life can be turned upside down…essentially a government controlled citizenry…I’m gonna do more research on it.

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, thanks for the links, I’m glad you’re aware of this, I haven’t seen too many people on website discuss this. people think I’m crazy if I talk about it.

          • Michael J.

            JeffH,
            A tisket…
            A tasket…
            A Fema plastic casket…

            Plastic casket = Plasket?

    • coal miner
  • http://purple50.org Gregory Zorn

    Freedom!!???? The pointey headed politicians and their evil minions on Wall Street have us all in a string. Will the newly elected represenative’s make a diference? I dought it, and the public will continue on like week minded simps oblivious to the dollar distruction and then wonder what happened. Then what? Look to DC for answers??

  • yoohooti

    It’s time for the people of this great country to wake up. The government that our fore fathers forseen no longer exists. We keep electing the educated idiots who ruin this country. We as a people need to demand the immediate reduction of salaries of every person in the government. Do away all (bribes)and under the table money that the pharmacutical and all lobbiest’s make to our elected people. There should be term limits imposed and all government employees retirement should be cut drastically reduced immediatally. The retirees living on SS in this country have worked all their lives to receive a pittance while the idiots in Washington retire millionaires. Are they any better than the average citizen. NO-Way
    Th FDA, IRS, And all other Federal agencies need to be reduced by 1/2. Return our armies from foreign soil and let them protect this country.

  • Mick

    Bob Wire says:
    November 12, 2010 at 11:09 am
    We were paying 3.68 per gallon as recent as 3 years ago. So I’m not sure what a nickle increase might mean today.

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    Bob Wire……I AM IN ACCORD WITH YOU, THE GAS WAS VERY EXPENSIVE THEN BUT THE GROCERIES WERE CERTAINLY MUCH CHEAPER UNLESS YOU DIDN’T PAY ATTENTION…….

  • Mick

    yoohooti says:
    November 12, 2010 at 11:15 am
    It’s time for the people of this great country to wake up. The government that our fore fathers forseen no longer exists. We keep electing the educated idiots who ruin this country. We as a people need to demand the immediate reduction of salaries of every person in the government. Do away all (bribes)and under the table money that the pharmacutical and all lobbiest’s make to our elected people. There should be term limits imposed and all government employees retirement should be cut drastically reduced immediatally. The retirees living on SS in this country have worked all their lives to receive a pittance while the idiots in Washington retire millionaires. Are they any better than the average citizen. NO-Way
    Th FDA, IRS, And all other Federal agencies need to be reduced by 1/2. Return our armies from foreign soil and let them protect this country.
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    yoohooti,,,,Here is a letter from a former Marine and Senator, it’s been around before but in my views it needs to circulate again, it’s a bit long but worth the read.
    Many citizens think the same way this gentleman does but won’t dare admit to it,
    How many of you agree with Robert A.Hall.???

    “I’m 63 and I’m Tired”
    by Robert A. Hall

    I’m 63. Except for one semester in college when jobs were scarce and a six-month period when I was between jobs, but job-hunting every day, I’ve worked hard since I was 18. Despite some health challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven’t called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn’t inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there’s no retirement in sight, and I’m tired. Very tired.

    I’m tired of being told that I have to “spread the wealth” to people who don’t have my work ethic. I’m tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.

    I’m tired of being told that I have to pay more taxes to “keep people in their homes.” Sure, if they lost their jobs or got sick, I’m willing to help. But if they bought McMansions at three times the price of our paid-off, $250,000 condo, on one-third of my salary, then let the left-wing Congress-critters who passed Fannie and Freddie and the Community Reinvestment Act that created the bubble help them with their own money.

    I’m tired of being told how bad America is by left-wing millionaires like Michael Moore, George Soros and Hollywood Entertainers who live in luxury because of the opportunities America offers. In thirty years, if they get their way, the United States will have the economy of Zimbabwe , the freedom of the press of China the crime and violence of Mexico , the tolerance for Christian people of Iran , and the freedom of speech of Venezuela .

    I’m tired of being told that Islam is a “Religion of Peace,” when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family “honor”; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren’t “believers”; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for “adultery”; of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur’an and Shari’a law tells them to.

    I’m tired of being told that “race doesn’t matter” in the post-racial world of Obama, when it’s all that matters in affirmative action jobs, lower college admission and graduation standards for minorities (harming them the most), government contract set-asides, tolerance for the ghetto culture of violence and fatherless children that hurts minorities more than anyone, and in the appointment of U.S. Senators from Illinois.

    I think it’s very cool that we have a black president and that a black child is doing her homework at the desk where Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation. I just wish the black president was Condi Rice, or someone who believes more in freedom and the individual and less arrogantly of an all-knowing government.

    I’m tired of a news media that thinks Bush’s fundraising and inaugural expenses were obscene, but thinks that Obama’s, at triple the cost, were wonderful; that thinks Bush exercising daily was a waste of presidential time, but Obama exercising is a great example for the public to control weight and stress; that picked over every line of Bush’s military records, but never demanded that Kerry release his; that slammed Palin, with two years as governor, for being too inexperienced for VP, but touted Obama with three years as senator as potentially the best president ever. Wonder why people are dropping their subscriptions or switching to Fox News? Get a clue. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000, but the media and Kerry drove me to his camp in 2004.

    I’m tired of being told that out of “tolerance for other cultures” we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and mandrassa Islamic schools to preach hate in America , while no American group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance.

    I’m tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate. My wife and I live in a two-bedroom apartment and carpool together five miles to our jobs. We also own a three-bedroom condo where our daughter and granddaughter live. Our carbon footprint is about 5% of Al Gore’s, and if you’re greener than Gore, you’re green enough.

    I’m tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses while they tried to fight it off? And I’m tired of harassment from cool people treating me like a freak when I tell them I never tried marijuana.

    I’m tired of illegal aliens being called “undocumented workers,” especially the ones who aren’t working, but are living on welfare or crime. What’s next? Calling drug dealers, “Undocumented Pharmacists”? And, no, I’m not against Hispanics I’m willing to fast track for citizenship any Hispanic person, who can speak English, doesn’t have a criminal record and who is self-supporting without family on welfare, or who serves honorably for three years in our military…. Those are the citizens we need.

    I’m tired of latte liberals and journalists, who would never wear the uniform of the Republic themselves, or let their entitlement-handicapped kids near a recruiting station, trashing our military. They and their kids can sit at home, never having to make split-second decisions under life and death circumstances, and bad mouth better people than themselves. Do bad things happen in war? You bet. Do our troops sometimes misbehave? Sure. Does this compare with the atrocities that were the policy of our enemies for the last fifty years and still are? Not even close. So here’s the deal. I’ll let myself be subjected to all the humiliation and abuse that was heaped on terrorists at Abu Ghraib or Gitmo, and the critics can let themselves be subject to captivity by the Muslims, who tortured and beheaded Daniel Pearl in Pakistan, or the Muslims who tortured and murdered Marine Lt. Col. William Higgins in Lebanon, or the Muslims who ran the blood-spattered Al Qaeda torture rooms our troops found in Iraq, or the Muslims who cut off the heads of schoolgirls in Indonesia, because the girls were Christian. Then we’ll compare notes. British and American soldiers are the only troops in history that civilians came to for help and handouts, instead of hiding from in fear.

    I’m tired of people telling me that their party has a corner on virtue and the other party has a corner on corruption. Read the papers; bums are bipartisan. And I’m tired of people telling me we need bipartisanship. I live in Illinois , where the ” Illinois Combine” of Democrats has worked to loot the public for years. Not to mention the tax cheats in Obama’s cabinet.

    I’m tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of both parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I’m tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor.

    Speaking of poor, I’m tired of hearing people with air-conditioned homes, color TVs and two cars called poor. The majority of Americans didn’t have that in 1970, but we didn’t know we were “poor.” The poverty pimps have to keep changing the definition of poor to keep the dollars flowing.

    I’m real tired of people who don’t take responsibility for their lives and actions. I’m tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.

    Yes, I’m #@*% tired. But I’m also glad to be 63. Because, mostly, I’m not going to have to see the world these people are making. I’m just sorry for my granddaughter.

    Robert A. Hall is a Marine Vietnam veteran who served five terms in the Massachusetts State Senate.

    • Karolyn

      WAH! WAH! WAH!
      No wonder things look so bleak. With all the people complaining like you, the vibrations going out into the universe are totally negative and are attracting more negativity. “As ye think, so shall ye be.” Try looking at how good you have it and being grateful.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        It strikes me as funny that those of you who have their hands in other peoples’ pockets, have the nerve to whine when they try to extract your hands from their pockets.
        We wouldn’t be here now if the Liberals weren’t crying “Feed Me”, “Clothe me”, “Shelter Me”, “Give me Free Healthcare”. Wah, Wah, Wah.

      • Anthony

        Just curious – but how do you feel about the premise that the 16th Amendment was ILLEGALLY said to qualify for ratification ?

        Pending this does seem to be the case – and you were to somehow agree – based on your current stance, would you “avoid” requesting all of the income tax you have paid out, be returned (??) for the good of the Country ???

      • Tony

        Karolyn,
        Wake up! I worked hard my entire life to have it good. I served my country and lost a son in Iraq so that worthless people like you can complain when we don’t GIVE you and those like you enough!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Well said Tony, and thank you, for you and your sons service. So Sorry for your loss___God Bless

          • Tony

            Thank you Angel. Real patriots are few and far between.

        • Karolyn

          Hey, Tony, I worked my whole life too; and I ain’t the one complaining. I am 63 years old, and have worked for everything I have too (which isn’t much). I have never cared much about money, so I have worked for nonprofits and myself most of my life, but I did work. It was only in recent years I needed help. I bet you have plenty of family. Well, I don’t; so I hustle and do what I have to do to survive. Since my early 20s, I have been into creative ways to make money. These days everything’s changed. If I have to take help, so be it. I’ve contributed to this country in more ways than taxes. So, don’t tell me you’re better than me.

          I am also sorry for your loss.

          • Tony

            Karolyn,
            Socialist non-profits? You didn’t care much about money so now I have to pay to support you? I placed my family and my country before money but was intelligent enough to know that I would need to produce enough money for the future. I, unlike you, never expected a handout from anyone. I worked and I saved and refused to live beyond my means so that no matter what happened, I would be able to support myself and my wife after we reached the age where we would be unable to continue to work. That Karolyn is the true American way!

          • Karolyn

            At least I have spent a large part of my life in service to others, whether in a position held or in my daily life. I certainly have nothing to apologize for. I am so tired of self-righteousness. You should try seeing things from another’s eyes. “Walk in another man’s shoes.” before casting aspersions. So narrow and small-minded. We are all ONE.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karaolyn, alot of us have walked many a hard mile, I was suppose to have been an abortion, but I lived,_ my mother was sick(not suppose to have children) and had three of us_ two lived_she was ill, all of my life and all but 11 years of hers__I Cared for her up until she died in 96!___Me and God taught her how to walk again three different times!__ My Father who was also ill, died 7 years later__At the same time my daughter was on heroin_3 years_Stole us blind!__ until I had an APB put out her, arrested and thrown in Jail for stealing my Fathers car___In between time, I found out I was going to go blind!__Five surgeries and seven years later, I can still type this to you!!___I raised my Grandaughter until she was 5 while my Daughter got on her feet financially__Our daughter now, is clean for 8 years and a happily married mother of two. __Through all this, We damn near lost lock, stock, and barrell, trying to care for my family___I closed and re opened my business trying to make it work___I couldn’t work outside the home, my mother needed 24/7 care___NOW, The banks tried to foreclose on us 7 times in 20 years__It’s just been the last three years we’ve been able to see daylight and were still paying off bills & A MORGAGE___I’m happy to report, that through all this__we NEVER ONCE WENT TO THE GOVERNMENT on welfare or foodstamps!___ and what youve read here is only a portion of what we’ve been through___AND STILL_____I/WE DO NOT FEEL, WE DESERVE ANYTHING, MAKING IT THROUGH THIS KIND OF LIFE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH__ AND WE DID IT ALL THROUGH PRAYER AND THE BLESSINGS OF CHRIST!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – Good for you, Angel I’m not gonna play tit-for-tat and try to one-up you. Sufficeth it to say – WE ARE NOT ALL ALIKE! Wouldn’t it be a boring world if we were?

          • Karolyn

            PS – So, Angel, sounds to me like you wear your suffering and hard times like a badge to prove yourself. Kind of like the more you suffer, the harder you work, the more worthy you are, the better your chances of getting to heaven. Oh, I forgot, you believe you are not worthy. What a sad way to live life.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, my point is ALL OF US ON THIS SITE, HAVE STORIES TO TELL, But it’s our reaction to them, that makes the difference. We can’t roll over and let someone else pay our way. We can’t become part of the problem here in America!___That’s a Conservative way!

          • Angel Wannabe

            K__Whats the matter, Karolyn, didn’t you think loooong enough before you typed your first answer???__You second guessed yourself, and came back with a cocky smart assed answer???__You and your Liberal ilk mindset is part of the problem____ BTW__If you think I wear my past on my shoulder as some kind of badge of honor__thats pretty funny, LMAO___ cuz if I was that full of myself__you’d know my name!__I normally don’t bring it up unless its to prove a point, and I did.__that All things are possible through GOD!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – You never answered the question: If you were all alone, with no family around you, some great friends that did help all they could, with no income to speak of, would you accept $150 in Food Stamps? We all have our own paths to walk. Some of us are strong, some are weak, some smart, some mentally challenged, etc. We all come from different walks of life with different backgrounds and different crosses we bear. Why would I deny myself something that is readily available? I’m proud to be able to go to school at my age. I get feedback from a column I write for the school that I am encouraging others to get an education. I’ve read much here from people who denigrate education. Believe me, here in a lower socio-economic area, people getting a government-paid education will be able to get off the public dole once and for all. It is happening. Mostly for women. Sure there are those who take advantage. There will always be those kinds of people. What are you gonna do? Open up poor houses again?

          • Karolyn

            Actually, Angel, I am sorry for the second post. It was very small of me. I am better than that.

          • vicki

            Karolyn says:
            “At least I have spent a large part of my life in service to others, whether in a position held or in my daily life. I certainly have nothing to apologize for. I am so tired of self-righteousness. You should try seeing things from another’s eyes. “Walk in another man’s shoes.” before casting aspersions. So narrow and small-minded. We are all ONE.”

            Once we have walked a mile in your shoes can we stop having our money taken at gunpoint to feed you? Just sayin.

            None of us here are saying you should not get help from others when you are in need. What we ARE saying is being forced to help and with a bureaucrat deciding how much we are to help is just WRONG.

            And on your rather self-righteous proclamation that at least you have spent a large part of your life in service to others seems to totally negate that even the “evil” Bill Gates spent a large part of his life in service to others. He built a big company so that people like me could work (I’m not all that good at auto mechanics or rocket science). He created or helped thru his company to create hundreds of software programs that make most EVERYONE’s lives easier.

            In the good American and libertarian way he was well rewarded for his efforts.

            Firemen and policemen spend most of their lives in service to others. And they get paid. You worked at non-profits. Did you work for free?

            Every entrepreneur that has EVER been successful had one thing in common. They had a dream to create something that others would want. How is that not being in service to others.

            Tony I grieve for your loss and thank you and your son(s?) for your service.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – I have nothing against Bill Gates. As a matter of fact, he and Warren Buffet are my heroes for giving away so much of their money. And Warren has even volunteered to pay more taxes. Have you seen the way some people still live in Appalachia? The Christian Appalachian Project does not get enough money from private donations to help them all. People are NOT born equal in their station in life, mentality, background, intelligence, and then they are influenced by their environment. Some people can create millions, some people can live comfortably, some people just get by; and then their are those that just don’t have what it takesm however that came to be. They don’t deserve to be thrown in the garbage heap. I’ve posted that I’ve been a hustler since my early 20s, always coming up with ways to make money. I still do; only today is not the same as 20, 30, 40 years ago. When I’ve told some people what all I have done in my life, they are astonished. They could not do what I’ve done; and I could not do what they’ve done.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn writes:
            “People are NOT born equal in their station in life, mentality, background, intelligence, and then they are influenced by their environment. ”

            So do you believe in God or Darwin.

            Station in life is class warfare. Stop it.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – All I’m saying is that we are all different!!!!! We cannot all rise to the same things!!!

          • Vicki

            Karolyn our forefathers made the following observation.

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

            So I presume that you do not find these truths to be self-evident?

            We are all different because we CHOOSE to be. We stay in the ghetto, or not, because we CHOOSE (Look up Ken Hamblin and his story sometime).

            How we handle the seemingly random events around us is what defines or develops our character.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – Of course I believe “all men are created equal” in the respect that we are all children of God and should have the same rights. However, each person on this planet is a unique individual; and as such, has a unique role to play. Don’t you get that concept? It’s like my ex telling me it’s easy to do certain mechanical things, and anybody could do it because he is so adept at those things. Not everyone can do those things. Just like not everybody can think or reason the same way.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn writes:
            “However, each person on this planet is a unique individual; and as such, has a unique role to play.”

            Then why do they resist their role by getting the Government to take wealth from the producers (at gunpoint if necessary) and giving it to themselves first (Unions) and then allowing those they claim to help have little drips and drabs. Redistributing wealth thru taxation is still theft.

            Let us play our roles by free will choice. Let government do what it was intended (protect our freedoms from aggressors) and let us take care of people thru the proper institutions of Church and Charity.

            Maybe those who fall thru the cracks of the above institutions have turned away from God and thus fallen out of Grace.

            God is there. God will answer their prayers when they turn back to Him.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    That is an excellent analysis by Chip Wood. I get very gloomy at the prospect. History tells us the most likely course of events going forward. We (the people) could make a difference, but we have to be educated in the TRUTH. We, as a people, do NOT understand what is really happening and as a result are paralyzed. To preserve their power, those that have the power will use it in every way possible to do so. Use what money you have, if you have any, to buy land, commodities, etc. so you will have something of value when the crisis hits home.

  • Michael Carrigan

    If Washington can’t control the spending, the bond markets will. There will come a point when US interest rates need to shoot up to attract lenders given the risk. So even though it may be next to impossible to reduce non-discretionary items now, reorganization/restructuring is not that far away. It will be a rough ride regardless of who is in the front seat, the back seat, or who puts a semi in front of the reckless car before it heads over the cliff.

    • HFlashman

      Shoot Michael….there’s a bubble building in the bond market…that’s plain as day. I expect mid term and long term bonds to be selling beow par around mid Spring as the economy picks up and we start seeing mild inflation beginning ..

    • sevenstars77

      yes but even if this happens, and we raised interest rates, there will be NO buyers. No one trusts this administration, no one here and no one abroad.

      • HFlashman

        ?? Obviously you haven’t studied the premise of realpolitk or read Thucydides…

  • PatriotSara

    Well, when you don’t set your expectations high, what do you think you’re going to get? I’ll do what I can to prepare for a likely collapse, but maybe G-d will help us through this, and we can avoid armmegadan. In the meantime, I’ll also trust some of our conservative representatives to work to turn this disaster around. Doubtful? Then you don’t know about newly-elected Col. Allen West. And let’s get the Fed’s audit done.

    • sevenstars77

      Yes and I would like to hear that Fort Knox has been inventoried-apparently this hasn’t been done since 1954…perhaps there is no gold there anymore…

  • Angel Wannabe

    I had to snicker when Soros sent one of his henchmen to speak with Glenn Becks executives to tell him, “That Glenn Beck is hurting his boss?!”__One of the wealthiest Americans in the World, is worried about GB. A man who’s Broke the Bank of England, who selfishly breaks economies and calls it fun!___A man who has either created &/or donated millions of dollars, to several hundred left wing organizations. The most recent being, an organization, to solely to fight & bring down Glenn Beck__Brings to mind the TV show “Man Tracker”. How about Greece?!_ It also brings to mind, the animals that sleep during the light of day & only come out at night such as, Bats, Opossum, Raccoons. Predators, feeding on the flesh & blood of they’re victims, in Soro’s case, we are the victims. These organizations control everything we see, hear and read. They’ve controlled the Saturday Evening Post, all major news stations, Newpapers. The banking system, media and Washington are all intertwined. It’s beginnings can be traced as far back to egypt. There is so much information about this organizations now it’s sickening. Google it!_ I’ve ben reading for a year and a half and still not done.__The info is out there. The problem is that the fingerlings of this empire are spidered everywhere, in our own back yards. Our only hope is the God’s Annointing upon us and getting and staying informed.

    • DaveH

      The Phony George Soros may just be sorry when he gets what he wishes for. Those same Socialists/Communists that he encourages now will have no problem turning on him later.

      • Angel Wannabe

        DavH, One piece of it crumbled the other day, when CCX collapsed, Chicago Carbon Exchange_-Which I believ is on of Al Gores Babies?!__A piece at a time if we must!

        • David

          Cap & Trade is dead indeed but the carbon tax is not. The carbon exchange will not work with carbon tax so things are lining up nicely for those who wish to finish us off in the name of climate change.

          • Angel Wannabe

            David, I’m not so sure about that__”Skeptism” is the word of years to come___too many people any more, believe this all this carbon emissions and global warming crapola to be a hoax__I never bought it either, its nothing more than a scam.

    • Anthony

      A Man Who Broke The Back … of the BANK OF ENGLAND….

      Interesting opinion… and a totally false premise…

      The House of Rothschild, took over the Bank of England, at the end of Waterloo. End of debate.

      I can tell you with GREAT CERTAINTY, that the House of Rothschild, would NEVER allow a goyim like Soros to have ANY detrimental affect to their 60% control over the monetary supply of Europe, which almost ALL of Europe routs its daily machinations thru, without fail.

      It cannot be repeated often enough – the Rothschilds (and no one else) set the GOLD price, twice daily. One should never discount this glaring fact.

      Rothschilds have controlled all of the Banks of Europe for almost 200 years now … and if given credence .. it is going on 250 years straight.

      Amschel Mayer Bauer had FIVE sons and all five were sent out all over Europe to be consultant to, or take charge of, every major Nation Lead Bank. Whether that’s England, France, Italy, or Spain or anywhere else .. representatives were sent, with the message THOU HATH BETTER CONFORM, OR ELSE.

      Maybe all of you need to re-review the History of the Rothschilds, yet again.
      They are now – as a singular family – worth over $2.5 Trillion.
      By themselves, they could… end world hunger and stop all wars.

      They also, NEVER send any of their offspring to go and actually fight in any of the Wars they themselves FUND.

      • Angel Wannabe

        No they work through the Banks and other organizations, like Soros.__they have useful idiots to do there bidding.

      • sevenstars77

        Soros, or should we highlight his Jewish roots (which like his mother did, he abhors)-george schwarts….
        a man who at 14 denounced personally his Jewish roots under the cover of a new german life and helped marched his fellow Jewish brethren to the chambers after ordering them to hand over their possessions….oh yes and how did he reflect on that….
        yes here it is:
        “…one of the high points of my life…”

        According to the Wall Street Journal he is at it again…
        http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/11/08/george-soros-opens-hong-kong-office/?KEYWORDS=george+soros

        • Angel Wannabe

          sevestars77, Soros said it was fun?!

          • sevenstars77

            yes if you do some review of more articles, he not only said it was fun, he said it was the high point of his life. Besides the fact that he also stated interferring with countries experiencing economic crisis and the sometimes unintended consequences that followed brought him “great joy….that was a lot of fun”. Glenn Beck played a few short clips of interviews from George Soros’ past, as well-you can probably find some links on Glenn’s site or just google

            read some of his books to experience the level of “twisted” that exists out there.

          • Angel Wannabe

            sevenstars77, the Soros vids(in his own words) were on beck yesterday and the day before.

          • sevenstars77

            Angel,
            not sure why you are arguing with me…
            please READ some of Soror’s books, and many of the articles (actual articles) that you can find on the internet. I am sure if it were on Glen Beck then he has been thorough enough to give you references of some of his books-please enjoy them and find my quotes accurate. I am not discounting your statements, Glenn’s statements or his show. Soros has offered many interviews, written many books and even participated in meetings where the transcript, though difficult can be found…

          • Angel Wannabe

            I’m not agruing seven, I believe I’m adding what you don’t say and’or agreeing with you???_whats the problem??__I just don’t worry about whos gets the credit for the infomation, I just jump in.

          • David

            SS77 – Angel is good people

          • Angel Wannabe

            Thanks David! :)

      • JeffH

        Anthony…just a note to add, and I’m sure you know this, that Ben Bernanke is a cousin to the Rothschilds which explains his position as the head of the Fed.

      • DaveH

        So, Anthony, are you trying to say that this article is not true?
        http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/george_soros_and_the_alchemy_o.html

        • JeffH

          DaveH, informative and matches up with other article written on Soros. The guy is commiting treason against the US I would think, yet those in his pocket refuse to investigate and prosecute him…that’s where money is power.

          Congress is harassing Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds for possibly lying to Congress about steroid use in sports but they can’t look at a guy who admits to manipulating governments and monetary systems. Now go figure!

          • Angel Wannabe

            jEFFh, it goes to show just how twisted Washington is!

          • DaveH

            The whole drug thing amazes me, Jeff. They spend Billions trying to save us from ourselves but at the same time allow drug companies to advertise their prescription drugs on TV daily.
            It’s okay to do drugs as long as Government are the ones who choose the drugs for us.

  • Danny Kirkpatrick

    Bob, this is very sobering news, nothing we did not already know, but hearing it makes it real. Now we need a battle plan, i for one do not meekly except this. America has awoken unlike any other time in all my 52 years. We are no longer alone, together we can move mountain’s. Now lets get start thinking what we need to do to change things, make D.C do what is right.

    • Vicki

      Libertarian party (www.lp.org)

    • Vicki

      And while preparing for the next election consider writing daily to your congressmen using http://www.downsizeDC.org or other means if you like.

      DownsizeDC.org just makes it easy.

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair

    The American public on the whole really has no idea what is happening and why. They don’t know American history on our monetary history or much at all about the difference between monetized precious metal-content currency and monetized “fiat (no precious metal backup)” currency. Very few have even heard about Jeykll Island, GA or the 1910 “redistribution of wealth” concepts hatched a decade ago that brought about the Federal Reserve and the 16th Amendment to the US Constitution (a/k/a the “federal income tax approval amendment”).

    I love my country, but I detest socialism and facism concepts that will sooner or later undermine the financial futures of 95% of all Americans for generations to come…or the utter failure of our so-called “greenback” fiat currency, and the resulting collapse of the financial freedom America used to enjoy.

    Until the currency failure reaches 100%, I am “laying by and storing” those items that will command exhorbatant prices during hyper-inflation: Bullets, canned and freeze-dried food, medical equipment and medications, transportation fuels, water purification tablets, weapons, etc. I am also recommending to everyone that is willing to hear and learn that one must “go back to the future” and store up a household “cache” of “survival silver” (pre-1965 US and Canadian coins (90% and 80% silver content respectively) when other barter efforts won’t work during a severe financial collapse I am trying to prepare for as if it was going to happen next Monday morning.

    “Entitlements for a heartbeat” won’t work anymore. Our nation is broke and the public faith with Washington D.C., Wall Street and the banking system is trashed beyond repair. Those who never bothered or had a chance to learn a fundamental “utility” profession will starve or become criminal in their efforts to survive…those who have and do work today must be prepared to defend their own homes, food and property themselves, with lethal force if necessary, and will have to do so with little or no substantial government assistance.

    I love America…but now the time has come for us all, at least 95% of us that is, to take “the bitter medicine” for permitting our basic institutions to become corrupted and then allowing them to even remain that way for decades.

    The USA as we know it (or as we almost thought we knew it) will not survive…but perhaps with a new effort that involves public blood, sweat and tears we can rebuilt our society into what our founding fathers invisioned: A true and fully operational republic (not then, not ever, a democracy).

    If we need a date of the final collapse, perhaps setting a date for the “celebration(?)” might be set somewhere around December 22nd 2012 while at the same time we plan for the worst and continue to hope for the best? Honestly, I hope we have that long…but I seriously doubt it myself.

    Respectfully submitted as “food for thought”

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

    • sevenstars77

      Thomas you are wise and in tune with those of us out there trying to prepare for the societal breakdown that will ensue until everything crashes. If you want to comment/interract with some like-minded folks who have survival and prepping knowledge on every facet of life, and who are informed of up-to date happenings…come to http://www.offthegridnews.com

      there are a great bunch of folks from all over the country who are exchanging their prepping secrets/ideas and some even banding together in locations. No matter where you are, you can check out this website and get informed on things like solar living, gardening from home…well everything to survive in a mode of life without government or society as we know it.

      like-minded folks welcome

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair

    Error correction: I said “decade” and meant “century” in my former comment. Reference to the book “The Creature from Jekyll Island” expose’ of those bankers, millionaires and politicians plans in 1910 that are visiting us financia misery in 2010.

  • Ken Brinzer

    How is it that where Obama-Bernancke are now taking us is Bush’s fault, which is what you imply?

    Bush got some things wrong, no question. But his Presidential efforts are in no way to be confused with those of the current President. Further, you do all a great disservice in suggesting that Bush is responsible for what Bernancke is up to at this point. You do not know that Bush would not have, were he still President, be now asking for Bernancke’s resignation.

    Have a nice day.

  • stevor

    The WHOLE problem is due to the Federal Reserve. If we didn’t have it (which is just a banking cartel and NOT “federal”), we wouldn’t be “owing” our “national debt”. Instead, we’d have the Treasury print INTEREST-FREE money (still causing inflation but not a “debt” that we “have to” sell to China).

    Get rid of the Federal Reserve. If there were ONE CHANGE that Obummer NEEDS to do is to get rid of it. Of course, he won’t because when Kennedy wanted to do it, he “departed” from us.

    • Angel Wannabe

      stevor, Obamas doing the Reserves bidding.

  • Sam

    The only bright spot will be those Americans who will have learned from the Argentinians and who will pay off their homes and taxes with grossly-inflated dollars. The real losers will be the bankers – the very ones who pretty much started it all.

    • DaveH

      Sam,
      Government is the only entity that really benefits from inflation as we get pushed into successively higher tax brackets.
      Even if we pay off our homes with cheaper dollars, the peripheral costs of the home continue to escalate (taxes, maintenance, utilities, etc.). And once the house is paid off there is no further real gain (a house is a house no matter what the dollar price). Then when we sell eventually, we will probably be socked with a capital gains tax that will take a portion of our asset away. Sure, they have a floor currently (about $500,000) on the gain (for personal residence), but that would quickly be exceeded with big inflation.
      And as people see their hard-earned cash savings erode away they lose their incentive to work hard which adds to the collapse of the economy.
      There is nothing good about inflation for the common citizen.

  • Dale Weaver

    These are all god comments, But sitting around reading these articles and posting comments is not getting job done. We the people are at fault for letting our country get in this mess. We all were to busy with thing we wanted to do and not paying attention to what was going on in Washington. The only way to change things now is for all the Citizens of this country to band together with one common goal To put our country back under Constitutional Law, The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land and any one who violates it is breaking the law for example it is the constitutional duty of the President, Congress and the U.S. attorney general to make sure our borders are secure and the citizens are safe which they have not done in the last 50 years, And yes Ladies and Gentlemen that is an impeachable offence but WE the PEOPLE have got see to it that this is done, There are a lot of things that is going on that they can be prosecuted for.We have got get rid of the likes of Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Eric Holder, Chuck Schumer And Joe Biden and any else who caters to the NEW WORLD ORDER ELITES agenda. So wake up and start doing our duty and put a stop to all the coruption in Washington, We the people have got to educate our family, freinds and neigbors to their rights and their duty to our country. Watch Freedom watch on FOXX BUISNESS saterday mornings @ 9 and 9 saterday night and 9 sunday night he is going to be on prime time starting Monday check your listings for time. I have some articles that i have been sending to every one I can they will realy make you mad if you want them E mail me at deweav42@yahoo.com

  • The Fed Must Go – Get educated!

    Ellen Hodgson Brown describes a real solution to the money problems and to getting rid of the Fed. Her book is “Web of Debt”. Read Excerpts and buy it at: http://www.webofdebt.com/
    Also
    Eustace Mullins wrote the first history of the Federal Reserve. His whole book “Secrets of the Federal Reserve” can be read on-line or downloaded from a number of places on the web, such as:
    http://ineedfile.com/download/13116407-eustace-mullins-secrets-of-the-federal-reserve-bank-pdf
    or
    http://www.barefootsworld.net/fedsecrets_00.html

  • Paul Revere

    The solution that would even beat the Globalists at their own game would be to put high Tariffs, on products coming into North America, USA and Canada from countries such as China, Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, India, Thailand so that the cost of their goods would rise considerably in our markets!Thereby, creating a need once again in North America for our own manufacturing re-development! Once a new manufacturer of certain commodities is established in the USA or Canada, the ability for such a similar manufacturing company to move back from the third world country, into the USA or Canada should be forbidden! The price to be paid for a company that is only interested in following it’s own self interest of profits, rather than carrying the interest and patriotism of the quality of life for the people or customers they are supposed to be serving!This also allows a company patriotic to the USA or Canada, starting out and taking the risks of the manufacturing business in these times when Globalists have a goal to de-industrialize North America!Hopefully the newly elected Representatives are Patriotic Americans and won’t be bought off, blackmailed and extorted to the degree the tyrants we have just voted out were!Globalism has to go as it is only beneficial top 1% of wealth Oligarchs in the world and as far as they are concerned the rest of the 7.9 Billion people can curl up and die!Personally I prefer if it was the other way around ! How about you?

    • David

      It would also trigger massive inflation because we wouldn’t have china’s cheap shite to keep our costs in cheak.

      It would also cause china to pull the plug on our debt…..very bad juju.

      We have to cut out the transfer of wealth to unions and other dumb a$$es you want to work little and reap a lot unitl they die.

    • vicki

      And tariff money goes to……… The government. How is that helping? Unless you have a plan to reduce the income tax to match the increase in tariffs. Still sounds like government meddling in economics.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Reminder, Bernanke said they’ve never monetize the debt__ He lied!

    http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2010/11/bernanke-fed-will-not-monetize-debt.html

    if link doesn’t work go to Fox

  • karl koebke

    Since Reagan left office we have been governed by political misfits and morons. Don’t expect miracles for the present fool and his incompetent Zars. Get rid of the entire bunch in Washington, including the old fools in the republican party as well. Gridlock works well, they can’t do more damage. We need home production, not idiot to tell us what to do and how to do it whit more regulations.

    • HFlashman

      Shoot..Reagan was the Orginal Misfit. More evil was never done to this country by any other person with the exception of Bush II….

      • Angel Wannabe

        Yeah FlashPan_you just keep dreamin’!!

        • HFlashman

          Fact Angel…fact

          • Vicki

            If it is fact I am sure you can provide proof. I will not of course hold my breath. Sorry :)

          • Michael J.

            HFlashman,
            You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you.

            Somebody hand me a flashswatter.

      • David

        Flashpants were you born after the Carter days? Hell-O I was young then but still remember. Worthless. Reagan patched or repaired the major wounds, Clinton rode “high but didn’t inhale” on the effects of Reganomics.

        • HFlashman

          David: My first presidential vote was cast for Nixon.

          I was a tad older than you during the disaster of Reagan. Carter wasn’t one of the best, but he was dealt a raw deal in the oil energy crisis and post Vietnam inflation/recession period.

          Reagan was an actor, he sold the public on his voodoo economics scheme, violated the Constitution, his negilgence cost us 260 lives in Beirut, and he traded and dealt with sworn enemies of the US so as to hide money and weapons support ot thugs who killed nuns, priests and civilians. Not to mention his screwing of America for decades setting the stage for the war criminal Bush.

          I had thought we could never have anyone worse in the WH. Bush II proved that wrong. may they both burn in the fires of hell forever for what they did to this Nation.

          • Michael J.

            There’s that buzzing noise again, a flashswatter would make short work of these pesky annoying nusances.

          • Vigilant

            “Carter wasn’t one of the best, but he was dealt a raw deal in the oil energy crisis and post Vietnam inflation/recession period.”

            Men with a potential for greatness are made by the times they live in. Washington, Lincoln, Reagan come to mind. Men who have no potential for greatness are destroyed by the times, and Carter squarely fills the second category.

            Washington had to “invent” the presidency during exceptionally dangerous times for our country. Lincoln was dealt a “raw deal” of epic proportions and came out of it with a people forever in debt to him for his wisdom and compassion.

            Carter’s apathetic handling of the crises of his time will forever mark him as a defeatist and blame-shifter. Reagan took a hostage crisis and double-digit inflation and whipped them both. His “voodoo economics scheme” ushered in the longest sustained period of prosperity in the history of the US, and his military spending ultimately defeated the USSR, no small accomplishments.

            To this day, Carter remains a defeatist, capitalism-hating anti-Semite. He has done more damage out of the presidency than he ever did while he was president.

            To borrow your words, I had thought we could never have anyone worse in the WH than Jimmie Carter. Obama proved that wrong.

  • JProxu

    Great insights and suggestions from so many of you that really care about what happens to our country. I just wish people would stop arguing from both sides of the left/right paradigm because this is what the global elite who control BOTH parties want us to do while they continue to push their agenda. We need to raise our voices to get rid of any people and institutions that perpetuate the globalist agenda and not be concerned about whether they are democrat or republican. Bush and Obama have proved that it’s the same agenda with different rhetoric ultimately serving the same puppet masters. Always follow the money. The global banking elite never found a government they couldn’t control. If they did, they sent our boys and girls there to destabilize it. We must replace establishment politicians with new faces and force them to obey the laws that they expect us to follow.

  • Prentis
  • e6jr

    We could list a whole string of laws and Constitutional amendments/articles that Barack Obama has violated ALONE. That’s not including Geithner, Pelosi, Bernanke, Reid, Maxine Wa-wa-waters, Charlie Rangel and probably 90% of the rest of the DEMOCRATS in the legislature, George Bush Sr. and Jr and about 90% of the REPUBLICANS in the legislature, Al Gore…etc…etc…

    Come on people. Wake up. You REALLY think the media and government are being honest with you after what we have seen over the last 60 years? How many times is it going to take? When are you guys going to learn that there is no democrat and republican? There is ONLY the ELITE Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission…etc… This party garbage is just something to keep us distracted and infighting while they carry out these horrifying plans to remove the sovereignty of the United States and other countries. If you think this guy should be tried for treason, have you taken a step back and looked AT YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT LATELY?

    This is just a SHORT list of laws just broken in the last few months by OUR so called representatives.(congress and house)

    Article 4 section 4
    Article 1 section 9
    Article 1 section 8 in several ways
    Article 1 section 10
    1st amendment
    2nd amendment
    4th amendment
    5th amendment
    6th amendment
    7th amendment
    8th amendment
    9th amendment
    10th amendment
    13th amendment
    14th amendment
    Title 8 USC section 600
    Economic Espionage Act of 1996
    Almost ALL of the INA laws are being overridden
    Title 8 USC 1325-1326
    Title 50 USC chapter 3 sec. 21-24

    Does our government FAIL TO REALIZE that this is the UNITED STATES. If those STATES start revolting against what the national government is doing against the will of the people and the Constitution, we are going to see a movement for states to secede? We are already seeing it now. People are tired of the abuse we are seeing in D.C. and it WILL stop or the states will just secede to avoid it. These people ruining our country and doing things like this to people are going to be stopped one way or another. If it takes all of the states claiming their rights in order to discontinue the abuse of the Constitution by the federal government, then that is what we will do.

  • sevenstars77

    well said e6jr

    The budget should be balanaced;
    the treasury should be refilled;
    public debt should be reduced;
    and the ARROGANCE OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS should be controlled.
    -Cicero 106-43 B.C.

  • TIME

    Ok lets see, way back in the 1960′s we started with copper based Dimes and Quarters with 3.5 microms of silver plating per side, And that failed to get any ones RED Flags up. AKA – Amercians SLEEPING

    Then in the 1980′s the same two coins were droped to 3 microns of silver plating per side. Again without any red flags. Still Sleeping.

    Then the 1990′s the copper base weight was dropped, and now down to 1 3/4 of a micron of Silver plating per side, Still sleeping.

    Then in the 2060, the copper weight again drops so much so that the tumblers in coin machines need adjustments, silver plating down to 1/2 of a Micron in total, Still Sleeping.

    And in 2009 the copper weight has dropped again, and now the silver plating is not even silver anylonger its Nickel plating and only 1 micron per side.

    Now Gold is at $1400.00 Plus, Copper is bring good enough money that thieves are steeling the copper out of air conditioners at people’s homes and Business’s.
    Still sleeping Americans think nothing is wrong and why is that again?

    These same units are going to drop to even 1/2 of a micron of nickel plating in 2011, and now the copper vase is going to be reduced to a mix of copper and lead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and yet – STILL NO ONE IS AWAKE.

    I can’t say I blame them hell the media fails to tell the truth, and distorts all intel for that “”Warm FUZZY little feeling”" it seems everyone needs to get along.

    Yet Politicians keep spending like drunken Frat boys on a gang bang party with a wild Whore.

    Yet Americans are still sleeping at the wheel, they still have their cell phones so they can text thier bubbas, and plant their fat butts in front of the tellie and be told what to think and what to say all by way of a 2 second sound bite,
    And now with i pads they feel the world is just fine after all the kids are full of Legal drugs oked by the Politicians as your kids are to crazy and need to be calm while watching a movie in your little warm and FUZZY Honda Mini Van.

    While Mommie and Daddy are popping down legal Scripts for Depression and other mood related issues like Stress etc. all the while yacking away on the blackberry and texting their bubbas next door.

    Did I miss anything?

    • Angel Wannabe

      NUP TIME, I think you coverned it quite well, m’friend!! :)

      • TIME

        Angel,
        I do try.
        Over the last week I have been on my lap top with the small keys with my every growing long, longer, and yet ever longer than normal fingers, its been pure hell.
        Now I have my Phat old big board back.

        Please forgive the areas where I missed countless words.

        Its Great day.

        • Angel Wannabe

          No worries, I’m always scewin something up typing too___Lets blame it on too much passion or we can alwasy blame George Bush!!!!!___lol

          • Angel Wannabe

            awb__Times see, I did it again!

  • Sharon

    They need to increase the tax on imports coming into the U.S. from China, etc. to stop U.S. businesses from manufacturing overseas and bringing back to the U.S. to sell. We also should consider and make a move to buy only U.S. made products.

  • ONTIME

    Right now there is some brilliant people in the media exposing this scam the Fed is trying to pull off and for that we should be grateful. Beck is just one who has done a great job of show and tell on his program and if history was taught this way in high school today along with civics then this might not be occuring and maybe we would have a adminstration that had some integrity, that’s a big maybe.

    The Fed needs to be publicly audited, there is little reason not to, if it were so we could see it’s inner workings and be able to question the wisdom. Bernake says, that the Fed is independent, so why is it they are working with him and this administration to monetize after Bernake swore in public that this would not occur? I would venture a guess and the guess would be George Soros, the man I would also guess to be at the other end of the Un-Credentialed Dude’s blackberry he refuses to give up and with a man like Soros having any kind of foot hold on this country’s fiscal and economic ability, it will lead to absolutely no good for this country and great gain for a very corrupt man like Soros and his ilk. If your not worried or concerned, then you have to be a fool and as the saying goes, “a fool and his money are soon parted”.

    I say a PUBLIC AUDIT of the Fed is a needed tool to make it accountable and keep it in the view of the public. Probably would not hurt to publicly audit all those who hold public office every year while they hold office.

    • Vicki

      Use this link daily to ask your Congressman to support a bill to audit the fed.

      http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/112

      Keep in mind that accountants have lots of practice cooking books. So make sure that it is an open, peer reviewed, public audit.

      Then demand an end to the fed. :)

  • JProxu

    Amen on auditing the Fed! Ron Paul made significant gains in getting his audit the Fed bill passed in the House before the Senate diluted and dismantled it. Now that Rand Paul is a senator elect, perhaps another attempt will get through. Bottom line, THIS HAS TO HAPPEN or this unconstitutional rogue central bank will continue to destroy our country.

  • http://com i41

    The Soros Socialist Party a.k.a. The National Marxist Communist Democrat Union Party only makes a move when ever the socialist wanna be dictator tells them what to do. It wasn’t to hard see the connection,to connect Soros and the dumbocrats. After watching Beck’s show a couple of times this week, to see how tight George Soros pulls the choke ropes on the democrats necks, to accomplish the ruin of the USA. Why any of these mental midgets want to admit they are dumocrats socialists is a big question. Of course from the start of the socialist democrat party to now with Soros’s meddling these last 4 years have been a traitor’s dream world!

  • Anthony

    Just so everyone knows …

    I do not trust Glenn Beck
    I do not trust Sarah Palin
    I do not trust Jeb Bush, either
    I do not trust my own State Senators

    I do trust Ron Paul (jury;s out on his Son, so far – no tenure)
    I do trust this guy named Mike Pence – he’s earned it.

    Most of Congress only cares about whether they will keep getting audiences with those who control the Money Supply – obviously they know where their bread (?) is buttered…

    Mitch McConnell is a hack, as is Harry Reid.
    Michael Steele is not to be trusted, nor is his DEM counterpart.

    Before you ever vote – from now on – you should always make time to ask the people you want to vote for – whether they will END THE FED (or not). Then, vote accordingly.

    All of our evils start with the FED and to end this nonsense, you MUST first END the FED…

    There is no other answer, period ! !

    • JeffH

      I also like Paul Ryan a lot!

    • Richard Pawley

      I’m guessing you might be an atheist. The first three people you mention not trusting, although they all have different church affiliations are committed to the same God that were the majority of our founding fathers. They have faith and it goes beyond belief to knowledge. Ending the FED is a nice idea but it’s like declaring peace in the world and bringing all our soldiers home. Wonderful to think about but the chances of either happening in our lifetime are about the same as winning a lottery, maybe less. One issue politicians seldom get very far regardless of what the issue is. I liked Sarah Palin when she was virtually an unknown, before she had been picked as a VP candidate because I trusted that she was real, and an outsider to boot. As for Glenn Beck he too is genuine. Perhaps it isn’t their faith in God you don’t trust but their uncomplicated politically incorrectness you don’t like. I’m reminded of a student who was thrown out of school in the old Soviet Union. The teacher was talking about her former star pupil and said words to the effect, “and to top it all off he was A CHRISTIAN”. What this communist teacher could not grasp was that he was the star pupil BECAUSE he was a Christian. We are in for some very hard times in the future (far worse than what we are going through now) but I suppose it’s politically incorrect to say that. However, that changes nothing, and things are still going to get much worse before they get better. It’s why gold and food and fuel are going up, and I have no doubt that at least food and fuel are going to triple because of what congress has already squandered. All I can suggest is that a prudent person will prepare for what is coming as best they can. The world is about to go through a once in 500 year change, and things are going to be very different a decade from now and so different in 20 years that I wouldn’t even hazard a guess. Americans are beginning to wake up but I agree with Glenn Beck on another point and that is that nothing can save our nation but enough people, regardless of their belief or denomination, turning back to God and calling upon Him to guide us. Ben Franklin said words to the effect, that “If a sparrow cannot fall from the sky without Divine Providence knowing of it is it possible for a great nation to arise without His help” Most don’t even know our ship of state is sinking or they imagine just a few minor leaks but as Franklin also said, “Beware of little expenses. A small leak will sink a great ship!” Alas, our expenses are no longer little. They are greater than any nation that has ever been. As it is tens of thousands leave this country every season and those I’ve interviewed have told me the main reason was the economy (and this was before the crash). Now with Pelosi-ReidCare unless it is repealed thousands of doctors will also be leaving, or changing professions. I’ve even heard someone in Washington say to me that we NEED a world government to really run things properly. Call me old fashioned but I believe that God created nations long ago and any attempt to do away with them is actually opposing God. That’s getting down to brass tacks but that is how I see it.

    • Al Sieber

      Anthony,I have to agree with you, all our problems are because of the Fed. Reserve, end the Fed. and give us back control of our money, people don’t understand. once people get away from the right left, demo- rep. bull$hit they’ll know.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Right Al, it’s a hard shift to make too, to change your THINK!

        • Al Sieber

          Angel, it use to be hard to change my THINK, but, it’s getting easier every day.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      I would not trust Superman or Batman or Spiderman, either. The only obivious answer is Revolution (comma) Man. Are you him, Anthony? Or is this just a mask I see before me?

      Let’s be honest. Voting won’t fix $h!t and we all know it (in our heart of darkness). The only true freedom (such as it is) is here on the Internet, for just a little while longer.

      Then the charter becomes Charter Arms. Scary, isn’t it? To finally consider we can’t flash a Bat symbol on the nearest cloud over the city politic?

      • Vicki

        Fee fie fo fum. I smell the blood of an agent provocateur.

        4 boxes have we to defend liberty
        Soap box
        Ballot box
        Jury box
        Ammo box.

        The first 3 are still functioning though all have taken hits. Not time for “traditional” revolution. A revolution in the American peoples understanding of the Federal Reserve yes but we are not in need of the 4th box. Keep it in good shape though.

  • viktor leben

    I read this book called “Atlas Shrugged” when I was a college student. I was a real live laizzez-faire capitalist (conservative) back in those days ! HA HA !

    You conservative folk should start a radical capitalist military organization, just like in Ayn Rand’s book. Get all the producers to quit producing – have them go on strike.

    You need a capitalist pirate navy (just like in her book) that destroys all the communist/socialist trade on the seas. Start with sinking all them freight ships from commie China ….

    It’s time to go on strike …. right ?

    Who is John Galt ? – you got to read her book to find out …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

    is the Wiki link .

    • Greg

      Actually, a lot of small/medium business entrepreneurs are rejecting the criminal looter system in the US and moving to what they perceive as a Galt’s Gulch – just like in Atlas Shrugged. However, in the real world, Galt’s Gulch isn’t in a hidden valley in Colorado. It’s in places like Singapore, South Korea and a few other increasingly business friendly locations in Asia and elsewhere. Although government definitely interferes with the market in those countries, they are slowly moving in the correct direction.

      Unfortunately, America is rushing towards the socalism/fascism cliff and the entire world is threatened since we have the world reserve currency. Despite what some may believe, I think the central bankers will fight to the death, and will trigger World War III before giving up their ultimate looter tool, the debt trap US Dollar.
      This is going to get very ugly before it ends. Ultimately the central bankers will lose the battle – as they eventually always do, but the casualties along the way will be enormous. If only we could learn from history and remember those lessons for more than a few decades. Then, and only then, will we have finally won the overall war that has been going on for centuries.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      You read this in college? I read it just before I dropped out of high school. (Seriously.) Um, like, you know it’s in the fiction section, right?

      John Galt is Batman, but no, unfortunately we don’t live in Gotham City, Dorothy. Kansas doesn’t read here anymore.

      • Viktor Leben

        Good for you Average Joe Patriot ! I discovered Ayn Rand’s writings at good ol’ college. She must have been a very interesting person to talk to, what an intellect ! What a peculiar personality ! On one hand she’s and atheist, born in Russia, lived thru the Bolshevik Revolution. On the other hand she has a Jewish heritage, she advocates extreme capitalism and writes about (in Atlas Shrugged) a worldwide Capitalist Revolution ….

        She seems to not totally understand Kant ! But at the same time she paints an extreme Black and White world based on Aristotle’s Philosophy.

        She’s extremely Philosophical but not to Theological ! If you are an advocate of Reason/Logic – you need both. Theology and Philosophy are sisters.

        A peculiar Philosopher/Writer was Ayn Rand. On a scale of 1 (being the lowest) and 10 (being the highest) I would rate “Atlas Shrugged” a “8″ for a good summer time read. It’s a romance novel with alot of Philosophical “meat”. If you can stand some atheistic monologues ..

  • viktor leben

    One more thing … stop using “dollars” and start using gold/silver coins to pay all of your bills ….. Then you won’t have to worry about dishonest bankers …..

    • Average Joe Patriot

      Who’d believe you, Vik? They’d probably call the police. (Man trying to pass “funny money.”) Still, I’m with you on this.

  • DaveH

    I wonder how long it will be until the dollar is worth less than the paper it is printed on?

    • Average Joe Patriot

      DH: It already is, which is why the Fed doesn’t actually “print” them. The “Federal” “Reserve” “Bank” simply says: “Here’s how much ‘money’ there is!” And poof! There it is, in bank notes someone else prints. If anyone wants to cash in, they smile and point at us.

      You or I could also do that, but who’d believe us? (Unless we changed our names to the Dave & Joe US Bank Note Reserve Trust, or something.)

      I’m sick of being told “we” did this to ourselves. Slaves were gathered at spearpoint for shipment to Jamaica, by Jewish ship owners. They didn’t “do it to themselves” either.

      They never saw it coming.

      • Denniso

        Now that’s an unintelligent remark,DaveH…play along w/ the dummies.

        • http://N/A wILL

          You are right -and what about hyper- inflation= that would make us a 3rd world mess in a hurry! The average American has no clue of much more than the upcoming sports game. They have their heads buried in the sand! or a majority still have their head up their you know what!

      • Vigilant

        I’m rapidly tiring of all the not-so-veiled antisemitism I often find on this site. Oddly, that idiotic and unfounded sentiment is found on both the left and the right.

        • libertytrain

          I have to agree with your comment however, while I’ve noticed it on both sides, I find it more on the left in society as a whole.

          • Denniso

            There is NOT usually anti semitism on the left,most Jews are members of the left. What some may think is anti semitism is only people standing up for the plight of the Palistinians who have had their land confiscated and their people forced into terrible living conditions by the battle going on between the 2 sides. It is not anti semitic to care about the downtrodden who have been displaced.

            Most of the right ignores the plight of the Palistinians and resists any policy that can help them and the situation in general. If the sides don’t come to a peaceful agreement then the suffering will continue.

          • Bob Wire

            Hmm? don’t like it hmm?

            well, being critical and antisemitic are two different things.

            and how do you know who is right or left and right or left of what?

            You ask Heir Von Vinklestien such a question do you now?

            The interesting thing about bigotry, the inflected, is the last one to know or see it’s presence. That’s the very nature of bigotry and why it’s so darn hard to confront and address , to ever attempt to correct.

            Much like the ones that enjoy generations of living inside the protection of “entitlements”, they know little else. The Lord Fauntleroy of the world are few and far apart to show us the deeply rooted inequities in our thinking process.

            It’s just a bias ~ predisposition and not always rooted in hate, evil or mean spirited.

            I can overlook a persons race or creed but sooner or later they will make it a point to remind you that you forgot their gene factor or beliefs.

            Strange truth ?

            A light heart and a open mind goes a long way in solving such issues.

          • Michael J.

            Denniso said:

            “There is NOT usually anti semitism on the left,most Jews are members of the left. What some may think is anti semitism is only people standing up for the plight of the Palistinians who have had their land confiscated and their people forced into terrible living conditions by the battle going on between the 2 sides. It is not anti semitic to care about the downtrodden who have been displaced.

            Most of the right ignores the plight of the Palistinians and resists any policy that can help them and the situation in general. If the sides don’t come to a peaceful agreement then the suffering will continue”.

            Hey, how about that George Soros, now theres a contradiction in terms for ya. A young Jewish atheist, Nazi collaborator who helped confiscate the belongings of Jews and then assisted them in boarding the train to the death camps. A far far left zealot even as a child practicing extreme anti semitism kind of blows a hole in your theory.

            As far as the plight of the Palestinians goes, their worst enemies are their own leaders by their actions and decision making. They have created and industry around keeping their own people down despite monetary contributions that would raise living conditions but never seem to trickle down to the people themselves. For example, Yasser Arafat who started out with nothing more than a jeep and one AK47 died and left his widow with $150,000,000 of squandered contributions while convincing the downtroden Palestinians that the west was the source of their misery. That the missile attacks and suicide bombings against Isreal was the only way to defeat the enemy. In reality the persistent violence against Isreal assured only one thing, continued donations that enabled the lavish lifesyle that Arafat and his wife had grown acustomed to.

            The inheritors of the PLO carry on this tradition of treachery. Globe hopping in a fleet of lear jets to solicit yet more contributions while their fellow countrymen live a life of poverty desperately awaiting help that never reaches them.

            The fate of the Palestinian people lies in the hands of their own tyranical leaders who prosecute this assault upon a perceived enemy who seeks only to protect it’s own people.

            A middleastern statesmen whose name I can’t recall said recently that:

            “If Palestinians today laid down their weapons, it would put and end to the violence.
            On the other hand, if Isreal today laid down their weapons, it would put and end to Isreal”.

          • libertytrain

            Michael J – nicely said. I have to agree to disagree with Denniso and Bob Wire on this. This is how their elimination has always begun….a little disagreement then the drumbeat of extermination begins….and who knows why many Jewish folk in this country are demo’s and who knows why many Black folk in this country are demo’s. Force of habit perhaps.

          • Denniso

            Because most Jews are educated and open minded,thus they are by definition liberal. Blacks have known for 50 yrs that the Dems try to assist them in reclaiming their status as people,while conservatives fight issues that are important to Blacks. Simple…

          • Vigilant

            Denniso:

            “Because most Jews are educated and open minded,thus they are by definition liberal. Blacks have known for 50 yrs that the Dems try to assist them in reclaiming their status as people,while conservatives fight issues that are important to Blacks. Simple…”

            If there’s anything simple, it’s your mind. Sonny, by the above statement you are guilty of racial stereotyping. Don’t think so? Read it again.

          • libertytrain

            Vigilant – excellent point —- but of course, he could not possibly be doing a form of racial profiling could he?

  • TRUE PATRIOT

    We will see if it will be business as usual after the elections! When the banksters and gangsters on capitol hill don’t change their game plan let’s see what the people decide to do then! This is nothing more than a chess match and it is their move! They better choose their moves wisely because All eyes are on them now! If they don’t repeal the Patriot Act, Obabma Care and the other Anti-Constitutional Bills then I belive it is the peoples right to personally take their country back! Ben Bernake, Barney Frank, Timmmy Geithner and Paulson should all be in court by next year facing charges of Treason and Grand Larceny at the very least!

  • Michael J.

    There’s that buzzing noise again, a flashswatter would make short work of these pesky annoying nusances.

    • Michael J.

      Don’t know how this post ended up here, cyber blonde moment perhaps, please disregard.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Michael J there is such a thing as slander as well. What right or responsibility do we have to tell the truth and not spread lies on the internet about people. Or is everything OK since now most people hide behind a cute moniker. You may want to fact check your comments on Soros.

        I personally don’t undertand where the anyomosity towards Soros comes from. Especially from this libertarian group that claims to be for free enterprise and making wealth but I guess only conservative wealth is OK. This guy has made a fortune but he likes to support the progressives so he must be the wrong kind of capitalist. It’s all pretty hypocritical.

        And since you can’t really find too much at fault with his beliefs you guys make stuff up or twist the truth to try and fit your twisted moodel of the world. Again more hypocrisy from the group that gives a free pass to liars like the Koch brothers or Hannity or Beck or Limbaugh.

        • Denniso

          There is no logic or consistency to the hard right’s positions. They will do hypocrital flips just to attack the people they loathe…all Dems,liberals,progressives. That is there political stategy;attack,smear,hate,lie,hypocrisy…

        • Vigilant

          Eric,

          “I personally don’t undertand where the anyomosity towards Soros comes from.”

          That tells me a whole HELL of a lot about you. How can ANY sentient member of the human race have isolated himself so much as to not see the nefarious and destructive schemes of George Soros? What is your reading material?

          Eric, I believe there is truly no help for you.

  • Viktor Leben

    So Prez Obama, Congress and the Fed Reserve have a plan. Inflate the dollar (Fed Reserve Notes – y’know , the green stuff) before China and Japan can cash in their Bonds — What Genius !! HA HA HA !

    But on the flip side if Joe/Jane American has all his investments based on dollars — then he/she is screwed.

    Does it ever occur to any of you ultra-conservatives that America is getting what it deserves ? You got to look at the total picture. The majority of Americans are a product of TV watching – we have mush for brains.

    I think the bottom line is have some gold/silver coins. Just in case.
    Money is a means of exchange. Hopefully the Fed will die. Hopefully Congress will get into minting coinage, rather than paper.

    • Vicki

      “But on the flip side if Joe/Jane American has all his investments based on dollars — then he/she is screwed.”

      Well…. Actually if your investments are in commodities/stocks etc you will be fine. Their value will be unchanged but their price will go up and up. It is Joe/Jane American who is on a fixed income or has most of their investments in dollar denominated securities (Like bank savings account or treasury notes or bonds.) that will be screwed. They will be in good company. China isn’t happy either.

  • jopa

    Michaelj: When you were mentioning George Soros’s bad deeds against the Jews you omitted some facts.He was 14 years old and it was a situation that if he didn’t he would be shot.Put yourself in his shoes and your being 14 years old with a gun at your head.What would you do??I believe I know the answer.

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