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The Faux Conservatism Of Rick Santorum

January 6, 2012 by  

The Faux Conservatism Of Rick Santorum

Fresh off his stunning (a possible ill-gotten) second-place finish in Iowa, former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania is trying to claim the mantle of the conservative alternative to Mitt Romney.

Such a claim would spark belly laughs and derisive hoots and catcalls in a sane world. But in our present-day non-reality of doublespeak it’s simply sad because so many deluded Republicans are glomming on to this lie.

I wrote a complete profile on Santorum last fall that can be read here. But here’s a little reminder to refresh your memory on just who Santorum really is:

  • In 2004, he joined George W. Bush to help re-elect Senator Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. Santorum says no one is more pro-life than he, yet he backed pro-choice Specter over pro-life — and later to become 2010 Tea Party favorite — Toomey in a Republican primary. And by the way, the very liberal Specter later defected to the Democratic Party, giving Obama the filibuster-proof majority he needed to pass Obamacare.
  • Santorum championed No Child Left Behind.
  • Santorum helped Bush push through a new and wildly expensive entitlement, the Medicare prescription drug bill.
  • He voted for the USA Patriot Act, then voted to renew it four years later.
  • Santorum voted in favor of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which established the Department of Homeland Security.
  • Santorum voted for the 2005 highway bill that included thousands of wasteful earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere; and he supported every Pennsylvania pork-laden bill that came up.
  • Santorum believes it’s the government’s job to legislate morality and has no concept of what the 10th Amendment means.
  • Santorum is no friend of the 2nd Amendment either. In the 1990s, he voted for the Lautenberg Gun Ban, which stripped for life the rights of people to own guns if they spanked their children or grabbed their spouse’s wrist. In 1999, he voted for a bill that required Federal background checks at gun shows. In 2005, he voted to mandate locks on handguns. He has campaigned for anti-gun zealots like Specter and New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman. He has refused to return his Gun Rights Presidential Survey to the National Association for Gun Rights and his Gun Owners of America Presidential Survey.
  • He backed the Iraq war and has advocated bombing Iran.
  • Santorum is the ultimate Washington insider. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington named him among the three most corrupt Senators in 2005 and 2006 for using his office to financially benefit those who had contributed to his campaign.
  • Within weeks of leaving Congress, Santorum had a job on K-Street as a lobbyist and his 2010 income of more than $1 million included payments from a lobbying firm, an energy company engaged in controversial “hydrofracking” and a hospital conglomerate that was sued for allegedly defrauding the Federal government.

Santorum is the type of RINO that Tea Partiers would have worked to defeat in 2010. Yet now some of those same Tea Partiers and war-loving neocons are supporting him as the anti-Romney, falsely believing Santorum would stand a chance in an election against President Barack Obama.

They’re forgetting that Santorum is no longer in the Senate because, despite (or because of) 12 years of incumbency, he couldn’t even carry his own State in 2006, losing to Bob Casey Jr. 58.6 percent to 41.3 percent.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    I admit I don’t know much about Santorum. If he’s just another pretender, then what are the inner Tea Party folks doing to ‘out’ him? Don’t we have more than enough posers, pretenders and wannabe megalomaniacs in Washington NOW?
    Doesn’t it stand to reason that the only way Santorum could have blazed to the forefront this fast was via lots of big bucks and “inside” help from RINOs and neocons? Fellow voters, let’s sift and sort while we can. If Santorum is an insider’s insider and doesn’t belong in this race, then let’s GET RID OF HIM.

    • DavidL

      He is, and probably soon to be “was, the latest anti-Romney candidate.

    • Alex Frazier

      I wouldn’t look to the Tea Party to do anything. One strangely interesting fact that many seem oblivious to is that the Tea Party was founded by Ron Paul supporters near the end of his 2008 campaign. It’s impetus was in line with the Ron Paul platform of smaller government, reduced spending, a balanced budget, and constitutionality. Now, we have the news media saying that Mitt Romney is a Tea Party favorite. In Iowa, the “Tea Party” voters predominantly voted for Santorum.

      I think it has become a fad to call yourself a Tea Party member or supporter. People have no idea what that means. Somehow, the Tea Party has come to represent conservatism rather than libertarianism, and the two are clearly not the same thing. If the Tea Party still held to the convictions of its foundation, there wouldn’t be a Tea Partier out there voting for anyone other than Ron Paul. He’s the reason they came to be in the first place, and his message hasn’t changed one bit.

      Santorum … !? He’s as far from a Tea Party qualifying candidate as it gets. He’s a spender, pro-war, anti-gun, and believes in a bigger government to legislate morality.

      But will the Tea Party do something about him? Nope. Because the Tea Party has been usurped by the neocons. The Tea Party exists in name only at this point. I no longer consider myself a member or supporter, because it represents something completely different than it did when it started.

      • Colram

        My thoughts exactly.

      • bud

        What ridiculous logic! Ron paul shares no responsibility for the Tea Party. He is nearly as bad as obuma. the only difference between the muslim obuma who wants islam to rule America and the anarchists paul is that paul wants everyone and anyone to rule over America. Elect paul and America will hasten its demise

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear bud,

          You are quite misinformed: http://blog.al.com/wire/2011/05/ron_paul_president_2012_tea_party.html

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Susan

            Thank you, Bob, for posting this link. And for your good comments on this topic. Just must say: “There you go again, Bob Livingston! LIVING UP TO YOUR CLAIM!”

        • Lee

          I spoke at the first Tea Party event. It was December 16, 2007 at Fanueuil Hall and it was a rally for Dr. Ron Paul. He has everything to do with the Tea Party movement. Lee Button

      • speedle

        Ron Paul supporters “started” the Tea Party movement?? You need to change crack pipes Alex. You are beginning to sound like Algore.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear speedle,

          Please check the link above and rethink your position… and apologize for the ad hominem to Alex Frazier.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • speedle

            Bob, I realize Ron Paul was around when the Tea Party movement got going, and much of his agenda was and is what the Tea Party is about. But what you fail to mention is that the vast majority of people who claim to be TPs don’t want anything to do with Ron Paul’s international politics or conspiracy theories. And these are blemishes that prevent people from making Paul the TP standard bearer.

          • Alex Frazier

            speedle, that was the point of my post. The Tea Party was started by libertarian Ron Paul supporters and was usurped by conservative neocons who now claim it as their own, when it never had anything to do with the conservative, war-mongering republicans.

          • speedle

            Well Alex, you are just wrong about that Neo-con warmongering crap. The quintessential Libertarian that was doing business while Ron Paul was still in medical school would certainly disagree with your isolationism and conspiracy obsessions. Barry Goldwater was the political pioneer, not Ron Paul. It seems to me that you might reconsider who is doing the “usurping”.

          • Alex Frazier

            speedle, I’m not wrong at all. The Tea Party didn’t exist “while Ron Paul was still in medical school.” The Tea Party was formed by Ron Paul supporters at the end of Ron Paul’s campaign for the 2008 election.

            The Tea Party currently boasts pro-war conservative Republicans. So a movement started by libertarian Ron Paul supporters was usurped by neo-con Republicans.

            I didn’t mention any sort of conspiracy. I’m not sure what you are referring to.

            Ron Paul is not for isolationism, and neither am I. He and I are both for non-intervention. We are for minding our own business. We are against the warmongering. If a sincere threat arises, he will do what is needful. If propaganda arises, he will use diplomacy.

            Frankly, I don’t know why you warmongers are so on fire for killing people. That’s what war is. War means bankruptcy and death. It always has and always will. What is it about doubled and tripled food prices and thousands dead that appeals to you so much that you are so anxious to invade places like Iran before we even have iron-clad intelligence that they are a threat? Don’t you want SOME proof of misdeed before you start killing civilian muslims, blowing up their houses, overturning their leadership? Don’t you want to know for a certainty that they have the bomb, or are building the bomb, before you commit your mind to military and beneficent financial expenditures that will cause massive inflation in the United States? Are you that eager for $6.00 a gallon gasoline?

            And let’s not forget that China and Russia are both working with Iran. Are you that eager to start a fight that might draw in much larger opponents? Do you really want to see a combined China/Russia assault on the United States, while our troops are stationed all over the world?

            I’m sure you mean well, but you aren’t considering the broader picture. It’s time for us to stop putting our nose in everyone’s business. Pretty soon Carthage is going to have to call Hannibal home, because Rome is going to invade. And if you don’t understand the reference, it’s just further evidence that you don’t fully understand the ramifications of what it is you think you want in a candidate.

      • LarryH

        I’m starting to think there are now two ‘Tea Parties’. The original, which Ron Paul had a lot to do with, and the ‘Republican copy’ that tried to ‘steal’ the Tea Party momentum for itself. The Media and Democrats insist that they are one and the same, but I suspect that’s more sleight-of-hand by the MSM.

        • DaveH

          That’s what the MSM is all about. They will spoon-feed the pablum to anybody ignorant enough to eat it.

          • APN

            …. and I think you suffer from self deprivation DaveH.

          • DaveH

            For a self-proclaimed Religious person, APN, you sure aren’t very respectful of your fellow human beings.
            Fortunately most of the religious people I’ve known actually try to follow Christ’s teachings.
            You’re not one of them.

          • DaveH

            I think you’re one of those who the catholic schools taught me about — the hypocrites.
            I think you’re a Pharisee.

          • APN

            Well DaveH, I call a spade a spade and you seem to be VERY confused about the term Christianity. We are not TIMID people nor do we tolerate big mouth bullies, as you are. If we did, then we would not be of the Christian faith. In fact, Jesus Christ was not timid at all when he entered the temple and rejected those who defiled it.

          • DaveH

            APN,
            You’re nothing more than a self-righteous bully who wants to push other people around using the name of God to justify your creepy aggressive behavior.
            You lack the very morality you claim others need to acquire.

          • APN

            Well ole Omnipotent DaveH, Once again, I’m simple a MAN, a CHRISTIAN MAN, that will no longer tolerate being bullied by self-righteous people with an earthly mindset, like YOU. Your lengthy an repetitive comments are self-evident of that fact. If you are representative of the “Libertarian Mindset”, NO THANK YOU! FOOLISH is an understatement!

          • DaveH

            Face it, APN, you’re a pushy controlling person who uses Religion as an excuse to force your way on other people. You’re no different than the Islamic fanatics who similarly use God’s name in vain to justify their immoral behavior. And in the process people like you give a bad name to the quiet moral Religious people who actually do live by Christ’s teachings. You should pray for guidance tonight, because you need it badly.

          • APN

            Well which is it DaveH, do you or do you not believe in GOD? You stated that GOD was non-existent so why would you request that I pray, and to whom? Why would you suggest I waste my time?

            Would it not be more appropriate for you to spell GOD with a little “g”. Do you in fact mean your “god”? That is where your “Personal Liberties” flow, isn’t it, DaveH? The ALL-OMNIPOTENT ONE…MR. DAVEH. The one who has all the answers, not to mention a long list of URL’s to sites of meaninglessness.

            Given the aforesaid, you seem to be more of the Islamic faith than I do. I think their god has a little ‘g’ in it as well. It is also based on bullying people, like you do.

          • libertytrain

            APN give it a rest – you are proving all his points.

          • APN

            …and just how is that, specifically?

          • APN

            T libertytrain

            Just trying to get ole DaveH to explain where he gets HIS HIGH moral compass. I find it interesting that he speaks to the issue of morality but stated GOD was non-existent. Then he requests that I pray to a non-existent god, which would be a waste of my time. I would really like to understand where an individual gets this high moral compass without GOD. ie.; Mutually exclusive

            He appears to be a very confused, angry and intolerant individual that “Attempts” to bully people with his worldly ideology. In fact, it is self-evident in a long list of his comments. He is quick to jump at any chance to bully those who speak of a HIGHER POWER but then claims that those who do believe are trying to bully him. As if I would dare impose my beliefs on another human being. His anger and intolerance for Christians are self-evident.

            Given that, never once in my comments did I mention any form of MANDATING my thoughts or principles on anyone much less bullying someone into believing in GOD. That is a personal choice.

          • libertytrain

            I find your posts APN different than you apparently do. Dave has never, in the 2 plus years I’ve been on this site, used his atheistic beliefs to belittle Christianity unless a purported Christian starts acting far less than a Christian should act and shoving it in his face. I found, as a believer in Christ, your posts offensive and belittling.

          • APN

            T Libertytrain………..

            Here is your evidence:

            From DaveH to me:

            APN,
            I would like to know where you get that the Founders wouldn’t have allowed homosexuals to be free?

            (answer: Colonial Law – look it up)
            Did I state in the POST that I agreed with the LAW, No! This was not my opinion just a FACT of how our Founders dealt with the gay issue.

            And even if they did object, I doubt seriously that they would have thought that to be a concern of Government.

            answer: Homosexual activity was punishable by Death ….Look it up

            Who do those gays harm other than themselves?

            Answer: Nobody but themselves and possibly their partner(s)..

            Why do you think your Aggressive Intolerant behavior is more Godly than homosexual behavior?

            Answer: Never said that or implied that. This is HIS intolerant behavior as a negative reaction to A FACTUAL post. i.e.; Anti-Christian

            How does your Religious Morality square with killing people in other countries who have in no way attacked our country?

            Answer: I have never killed anyone, anywhere. DaveH seems to find people guilty of crimes by association. (Assumptive and dangerous mindset.)

            I would seriously like to know why you feel your transgressions on your fellow human beings are any more moral than the actions of those who you consider to be immoral?

            Answer: What transgressions? Be specific, must be another guilt by association deal.
            ____________________________________________________________________

            Now scroll down and read my post concerning this issue and see how this individual could interpret what I stated as anything other than FACTS, not my opinion. Once again, he quickly assaults anyone who would dare invoke the “Moral/CHRISTIANITY” issue or the lack thereof.

          • libertytrain

            I don’t see the same evidence you do and frankly I just made an observation. I’m not interested in playing your game.

          • APN

            t libertytrain,

            You inquired my friend, I did not. You are the game player, just like DH.

          • libertytrain

            I didn’t “inquire” – I suggested you “give it a rest.” Unless the meaning of inquire is different in your world as well……

          • APN

            T libertytrain ,

            Give yourself a “rest” as you wallow around in the mire and the muck of your “Shallow Ground”.

          • libertytrain

            will do, will try and be careful so I don’t step on you below the muck… it’s crowded in the mire these days no telling who you’ll run into.

        • Jusin Rogers

          Larry, you are spot on. Of course, anyone who has followed the news and/or current events over the last five years should already know this, though. The original tea-party was started by RP supporters on the anniversary in 2007 of the Boston Tea Party (the day his campaign had the biggest single-day fundraiser ever). Near the end of his presidential run in 2008, it had swelled to a pretty large (yet very loose) group of liberty advocates fed up with (primarily) our debt and monetary policy. By April 15, 2009, organized groups around the country had gathered enough steam and members from other economic conservatives to launch protests across the country on tax day. A good portion of this group were also evangelical / social conservatives and, with the lack of a nationwide organizational structure (a weakness but also a great strength), various groups tended to take on their own identity, all of them fiscally conservative, but divergent in other areas.

          Then came the mid-term elections, which apparently gave the establishment PTB and neo-cons pause. After doing all they could to try and discredit tea-party candidates, they surely realized it was a force to be reckoned with; or, more to the point, to be co-opted. And THIS is why you now see so many so-called tea-partiers supporting candidates who are anything but tea-party sensitive.

          What began as a liberty movement focused on fiscal issues (the Federal Reserve, monetary policy, bailouts, TARP, national debt, taxes, spending, etc.) has become a hodge-podge of other things, including, quite naturally, many social conservatives and, quite unnaturally, establishment neo-con one-worlders. The result is that, when it seems fitting, any one — meaning any GOP candidate — can effectively claim the label of tea-party candidate and get away with it, because the tea-party has lost it’s limited-issue identity.

          There is a lesson in this for lovers of liberty. Beware. I sense a subtle shift toward acceptance of Ron Paul, even within the mainstream media, as if a new “memo” has gone out. A bit confusing to be sure. But if in fact the establishment sees the writing on the wall and if that writing indicates to them that Paul’s movement — our movement — is going to suceed, then it only makes sense that they would want to begin co-opting it now.

        • Realist

          Perhaps you suffer fron self denial APH.
          There is a lot of truth to prove that the
          Repulican NEOCON machine subverted the true
          tea party intent with the NWO diatribe.
          Check it out…it’s all online for ou to
          READ!

      • eddie47d

        Anyone including Santorum who would even consider voting for the “bridge to nowhere” bill should be suspect in pork barrelling and obviously never read the bill that would have authorized it.

      • Richard Pawley

        I can find things I don’t like and that are problematic with every single one of the people who are running for president. Likewise there are also things I like about the vast majority of those who want to be president. I like most of Ron Paul’s ideas, but there is one thing that he supports (or rather doesn’t) that will cost him millions of votes from Christians who know the Bible. Whether that will make a difference or not I do not know, but I suspect it will. Millions of Americans read the Bible and believe that it is inspired and “of God” and the Bible clearly says that those who oppose Israel will be opposed by God. Sadly it also says that a time will come, before the actual end of mankind, when all the nations of the world will turn against Israel. Many have assumed that that would be in the distant future when Israel expanded to the size that God originally gave to it and which it has never possessed, a land that encompasses many of the countries surrounding it. That, however, is an assumption.

        Others have always wondered why there is no reference to anything that can be construed to be a major nation to the west of Israel, the United States, hidden in the timeless scriptures. (In the world of spirit there is no such thing as time or distance as we think of them. That is why Isaiah could say thousands of years ago, “who ever heard of such a thing, a nation born in a day” but it was not until May 15, 1948, that that prophetic statement was fulfilled). While cryptic references and hints can be found that can be construed to mean the so-called common market countries, the EU, there is nothing that points to the major nation that the USA has become. Some believe that the reason for this may be that the USA will no longer be of much importance by the time the world government and world leader appears to solve many of the world’s problems but to eventually wield an iron fist and demand, under penalty of death, to be worshipped (according to one understanding of what it says in the Bible). Amazingly, some three dozen things mentioned millennia ago in the old and new testament have all come about in the last 70 years.

        None of this is to imply that all that Israel does is righteous or that they don’t make mistakes and do things they later regret, or that there are not rogue groups within their government that tend to exist in every government. In other words they are not perfect, and neither are we. We have spied on them and they have spied on us. By whose authority I have no idea. Some have said that their attack of our spy ship, the USS Liberty, during the middle of a heated battle in 1967 was not unlike Lt. William Calley wiping out the village of My Lai in Vietnam in 1968 and killing every man, woman and child, hundreds of people (He has always said that he was under orders and in 2009 publicly apologized for what happen, something which to my knowledge the Israelis have never done (I could be wrong on this but I haven’t kept on all this). It is possible that President Johnson could have lessened the impact of that attack on our spy ship or the lives lost but on that too, I cannot say. Such things are for God to judge, not me, but the point I am trying to make, is that unless Ron Paul has an epiphany and comes to realize that we must never turn our backs on Israel he will not get the votes of millions of Christians who believe what God instructed mankind in the Bible. Whether atheists or non-Christians believe any of this is irrelevant. Millions of Americans do! Since many Jews in this country have supported the first anti-Israel president we have ever had I have no idea how they might vote.

        It is, however, a distinct possibility that we may soon be so broke that we cannot give money away to any foreign country and that would be reasonable. In fact I think Israel would prefer not to get anything from us if we would stop selling weapons systems to her enemies and those who have sworn to oppose her to their dying day. Is money all our nation cares about? Will we sell weapons to anyone who pays for them? I certainly hope not, but our nation is squandering money in a fashion that may make it necessary right up to the eventual collapse.

        What I do know is that God has spoken to many very diverse individuals, from myself to those much more important than I, and warned us what is coming. To Rev. Morris Cerullo, who is as well known outside the USA as Billy Graham or the Pope, He told of all the world’s currencies losing their value (all today are just paper backed by nothing but political promises). To the late Rev. David Wilkerson he gave a vision which Wilkerson called “The Urgent Message” when he sent it out to all the world in the late 1990′s and again when he had the vision a second time in 2009. Rev. Pat Robinson, founder of the ACLJ, Regent University, and CBN that broadcasts into 180 nations in 71 languages, was praying when he apparently heard the following:

        “Your country will be torn apart by internal stress. A house divided cannot stand. Your president holds a radical view of the direction of your country which is at odds with the majority. Expect chaos and paralysis….This is a spiritual battle which can only be won by overwhelming prayer. The future of the world is at stake because if America falls, there’s no longer a strong champion of freedom and a champion of the oppressed of the world. There must be an urgent call to prayer.”

        “On Tuesday, however, Robertson said that God told him the nation’s downfall would be triggered by an economic collapse. He suggested that God told him this would come about if Obama was elected to another term. (Of this I have absolutely no doubt. I don’t know what anyone else can do to save the country but if Obama and a Democratic Senate is re-elected the tripling of prices may be just the beginning and I do not know who or what can stop that, based on all we owe and all we are borrowing and all we are just printing. If Obama is re-elected then I fully expect that all I have warned and written about for 21 years to begin in a big way. May God help us…Richard)

        Robertson closed by saying “And God said, this is not my judgment, they are bringing it upon themselves.”

        • Jim Beschen

          I also believe a lot of what you wrote and I also believe that there is one more prophesy to be fulfilled and that is the 83rd Psalm. Today is the only time in history that all of the things are in position.
          A very interesting time to be alive.
          Jim Beschen

        • ChristyK

          Why do you think Ron Paul is anti-Israel. Did you hear it stated by the MSM. All Ron Paul has said is that we should eliminate all foreign aid (which is unconstitutional). This would include Israel’s enemies as well as Israel. Right now we give 3x as much aid to Israel’s enemies as we give to Israel. Also, Israel is required to “ask our persmission” to defend themselves rather than act as a soverign nation.

          Ron Paul believes that Israel has the ability and the right to defend themselves as they see fit (like Netanyahu stated in his address to Congress). Eliminating ALL aid and allowing Israel to defend itself and decide for itself, like the sovereign nation that it is, would make them much safer than the status quo. This stance is not anti-Israel.

          • David Heimlich

            Also Ron Paul was one of the few (the only one?) in congress that supported Israel’s right to bomb the Iraqi reactors in 1981. As you say he’s not anti-Israel he just doesn’t want us fighting wars in the Middle East (Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran) on their behalf to better Israel’s strategic position. Just before the caucuses an Iowa Evangelical speaking for herself and her friends said that they will send their sons to fight and die for Israel. THEY’RE DYING NOW! How many more of our sons are they willing to sacrifice in order for Israel to secure their Middle Eastern kingdom?

        • Karen

          Dear Mr. Pawley, with all due respect, I have to disagree with you on the issue of Ron Paul and Israel. I am a born-again Christian and I love Israel, we have to understand what is truly at stake. We have to get our economic situation under control, we have to stop policing the world, we’ve been heading down the path of socialism and the New World order for many many years. We are currently under federal control and it’s only going to get worse. Our federal government has been giving federal aid to Israel’s enemy as well as Israel( money we don’t have) they give Israel’s enemies 10 times or more the aid they give to Israel. We have been aiding Israel’s enemies, Israel said they could take care of themselves, and of course we know that ultimately God will take care of Israel. I am not suggesting that we leave Israel hanging high and dry though. I am suggesting and will help to promote all Christians banding together to give as much as each individual can give, to help aid Israel. I believe it is up to each individual child of God to do their part in every way. From what I have seen from the other candidates, and I have done my homework, they will not get back on track, they are all like another Bush. They are hiding behind their so-called moral values and I say so called because we all know that not everyone who claims to be a Christian is truly a Christian, so we cannot just listen to their words we need to listen to their strategies and when you look at this they all push a social system agenda and policing the world. We cannot shove our democratic electoral system and our Christian beliefs on anyone, our job as Christians is to first and foremost act like true Christians,WWJD, we talk to people and try to help them to understand true Christianity, we pray for people with true belief that God will show them the truth. All right to the point, I believe Ron Paul is the only candidate without a New World order agenda and furthermore I do not believe that Ron Paul would ever allow for Israel to be so dominated with enemies against them that we wouldn’t step in. The only choice I see is to take back our constitutional rights of the people and to get our economic system back on track and under control or vote for those other politicians who believe in dominating the world.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Richard Pawley,

          You write: “the Bible clearly says that those who oppose Israel will be opposed by God.”

          Please site for me book, chapter and verse. Unless I’m mistaken, this is from the Old Testament which was nailed to the cross by Jesus. After the crucifixion, references to Israel were symbolic of the New Testament Church and not relating to Jews or Israel. As I’m sure you’re aware, the nation of Israel no longer existed after the kingdoms divided and the Jews were conquered and exiled by one nation then another. Jesus made it quite clear that the Jews who rejected him were not part of the sons of Abraham. This was confirmed when Peter took the Gospel to Cornelius.

          The current nation of Israel, while on the same land once occupied by the “Children of Israel,” was not established by God, but by the League of Nations/United Nations at the end of World War II.

          Besides, Ron Paul has not “rejected” Israel. He believes, rightly, the U.S. should not control their affairs. He wants to end ALL foreign aid, which includes that to Israel’s enemies. That doesn’t sound “anti-Israel.”

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Richard Pawley

            Dear Bob Livingston,

            You say, “After the crucifixion, references to Israel were symbolic of the New Testament Church and not relating to Jews or Israel.” Well, that is one interpretation but if God is aware of the number of hairs on our head he is surely aware of the rise and fall of nations (to paraphrase Ben Franklin). You apparently have the same point held by the Ultra-Orthodox Jews who live in Israel and refuse to recognize that God usually operates through people, nations, and events. They too don’t accept the current Israel and want God to come down from heaven and set up a country for them to live in and possess. He has but they don’t accept it, even though they live in it!

            You also say “The current nation of Israel, while on the same land once occupied by the “Children of Israel,” was not established by God, but by the League of Nations/United Nations at the end of World War II.” That is a huge assumption. No one questions what the UN declared on May 15th, 1948, but I could never make the assumption that God had nothing to do with it. The Jews had been praying for 2,700 years or thereabouts, and it was the fulfillment of Isaiah’s odd saying, “Whoever heard of such a thing, a nation born in a day?” that took place on that day. If we believe that God answers prayer how can we think that millions of Jews crying out to Him for nearly 2,700 years did not have some value in the current establishment of the state of Israel.

            I believe that God can and does a lot more than we usually give Him credit for, but He usually does it in response to prayer, especially when we pray that His will be done in a particular situation. This is why I repeated Pat Robinson’s call to prayer because I know that only the prayers of all believers united in the spirit (as Jesus wanted us to be – knowing that we would never ALL be united according to political parties or factions or denominations or even various interpretations of doctrines) but by being united in the spirit and praying thusly would we be able to replace the anti-American administration that we have today. It is not a done deal as some seem to think.

            Jesus once told a woman in England that all His early followers knew and loved the simple rules He taught when He lived on earth as a man, but that many of them would be confused by all the rules of the various churches. “In all things, simplify,” he told her. I have seen the power of prayer and experienced it and I have some idea of it’s value, and if the prayers of two women in England could change the laws of Parliament without them leaving their kitchen (as Jesus told them in GOD CALLING) then surely the prayers of all fervent believers on even this website, can have an effect on the laws and people in Washington, and if we can get others who truly believe in Jesus and not just their churches, be they Anglican or Baptist or Catholic or even Mormon, to pray to God that He work HIS WILL on all that is going on, then we can expect a miracle and replace those in Washington who want to replace our great nation and change it into just another failed nation-state as so many in Washington seem to be working to achieve, all for our own good according to them.

            Jesus said to ask and you shall receive. Believe Him, and pray like you have not prayed since the 2010 election. That was a beginning, but this coming election will be far more important than many realize, not just for us but for the whole earth and all it’s inhabitants. Pray every day that God will work His will on all. If you do you will eventually be amazed and grateful and most likely prepared (I would normally say you must be patient but decisions made this year will affect us all for the rest of our lives).

            Incidentally, Jesus said that He did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. The Old Testament is as valid today as the New Testament, it is just that Jesus came because men could not achieve salvation simply by following the law. It took more. It took God’s intervention and Jesus’s work on the cross. The Old Testament was the Bible that Jesus believed and followed. Followers of Jesus who accept the gift of the spirit (ACTS 2) do what is right because that is what God would have us do, not because there is a law somewhere that says do this or don’t do that. I know you don’t believe that simply believing in Jesus is all that is required – it IS required (eventually) but Jesus Himself said that there would be those who faith in Him was so great they would work miracles, but because their hearts weren’t right, He said He would tell them “Depart from Me, you evil men, I know you not!” at the end of days. I’ve seen some who had been a murderers so filled with a spirit of anger that they strangled someone to death, become a quiet and gentle person, and a homosexual who thought he was condemned to stay that way for life be changed by the power of God, and many alcholics cured, and one friend how was a drug addict living on the street for more than a dozen years changed into an honest hardworking American, all by the power of a relationship with a living Jesus, and because someone, somewhere, prayed!

            As far as Ron Paul goes, you and the others may be right. I would certainly vote for Paul if he were the nominee but I wonder about the rest of the country. Of course I love our country to much to vote for those whose mindset is on godless socialism which will remove us from importance on the world stage if they succeed. Barrack Obama has a BILLION DOLLARS to buy ads with and it was money that made the difference the last time and likely will this time UNLESS all believers pray to God that He work His will on all this sordid mess we find ourselves in. I know what will happen if we don’t pray because because God has made it abundantly clear that America today is on the precipice. I absolutely do not believe we can avoid the tripling of prices but it could be a whole lot worse than that. Pray!
            May God bless all who read this.
            Sincerely,
            Richard

        • http://google rose

          I am a Christian and I only listen to Bible prophecy. Pat Robertson and whoever that other guy is that you mention say that God told them these things that you mention. But the only way that you could know if what they say is truly from God is to wait and see if they come to pass. In the mean time, if it is not words spoken of God to them, they will have manipulated people into voting or beliveing what they want them to. How is Ron Paul saying we need to butt out of Israel’s business anti-Israel? Israel is quite capable of defending itself from Iran. Israel has over 800 nuclear weapons. Iran is working on one. Why are so many people who claim to be Christian not have faith in God to protect Israel? From what I read in the Bible, Christ will return to earth and fight the battle for Israel. So why do they(christians) hunger to war with Iran? Ron Paul is more pro-Israel than any other candidate, because we would be butting out of Israel’s business and let them do what they need to do.

          • Richard Pawley

            What you say is true of all prophecy in the Bible and recently. We know it is fulfilled when it happens but even that is not always evident. God gave a gentleman in Los Angeles a vision in 1965 on the last year of his life, of earthquakes and a volcano destroying the city of Los Angeles and when he told his church and three others about it 600 people sold their homes, quit their jobs and moved to Tennessee. I read about this in 1965 in the school library at the University of South Carolina and was fascinated. It hasn’t happened yet but that does not mean it won’t. Our scientists say a major earthquake in that area is overdue and I expect it in the summer of 2014.

            That Israel has nuclear weapons is unquestioned but that number of 800 is surely inflated. Where did you read that?

            Incidentally, if you wish you can log onto your Internet search engine and type in THE URGENT MESSAGE and David Wilkerson and you can read his vision of what he thought could be avoided if enough people prayed. Of course you can always pray yourself and ask God to guide you and direct you about any of these things.

            God bless you.

        • Ann Wilson Kingsley

          Do not vote for a Republican Obama! Vote for a Republican House, and retake the Senate to curb Obama. Then cast a principled Conservative, not Neo-Con vote, for president. I will vote for Ron Paul even if I have to write his name in on the ballot.

      • David Wiles

        SO WHO DO SUPPORT? RON PAUL?

      • Greg

        That’s incorrect. The “Tea Party” was founded in the 1990s during Clinton’s time in office.

      • Mark in LA

        I knew the “Tea Party” would turn into a joke the minute I started getting all the gabgae from bought and paid for Republican shill Dick “smarmy” Armey and his Tea Party group. I think he pays himself 700,000 dollars a year for that gig as well.

      • Susan

        Absolutely… And I worried about the Movement’s being co-opted, and I was a Supporter! Now, are so many ‘branches’, have to ask “Which one?” (And many were taken over purely for the ‘profit’ to be made.)

        And yes, Ron Paul was a moving force! And many “Tea Party at-heart” are strong Paul Supporters.

        They may be sitting at the Computer in the identical shirt I wore to my doc appt today: RECLAIMING *Our Constitution *Our Liberties *Our Sovereignty *The Rule of Law RON PAUL…Reclaiming America

        A couple of other patients gave a ‘thumbs-up’; my Doc said, “That is one powerful message. I like it…a lot.”

      • Aurelio

        If the Tea Party started around Ron Paul, how the heck Sarah Palin got into it?

    • Jonathan

      Well, I’m living in Pennsylvania and I won’t vote for him. In fact, Rick Santorum won’t have the vote of members of his own family. John Garver, the 19 year old nephew of Rick Santorum, wrote an opinion piece for the Daily Caller, in which he states his endorsement of Ron Paul for President. The link below takes you to the piece.

      http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/03/the-trouble-with-my-uncle-rick-santorum/

      • MAJOR DAD

        Paulbots, Paulbots everywhere – and not a brain in sight!

        • APN

          DITTO< DITTO< DITTO!!!

    • B. Hess

      Mr. Livingston,
      I have read your article and the replys. I keep seeing the same thing…we have no other choice. We do have another choice. Buddy Roemer announced his candidacy on the GOP ticket months ago. His campaign headquarters are in NH.I am not sure if this is the man I would have supported but I would have liked to have heard more of what he had to say. What I have heard is that he is sick and tired of the abuse of power and tax payor money is Washington. His campaign will only accept a one time donation of $100 for any individual or company. His says he will not be bought and paid for. This is why his campaign is called free to lead.
      We all know the media shoved Obama down our throat and virtually guaranreed his election. Are they doing the same thing this time around with the GOP field? I have emailed every correspondent at Fox asking why this man isn’t given any air time. No reply. I have left messages at the national Tea Party headquarters. Nothing.Why is this? When the debate was held at Dartmouth the campaign asked we call and request his participation in the debate. I did and the women said the phone had been ringing off the hook. I spoke with one of the news agencies sponsoring the debate. They said their phone had been ringing non stop. Who doesn’t want us to hear what this man has to say?
      Like I said I am not sure if Roemer would have been my choice but if you check out his website and on youtube he sounds like he would have been our most conservative choice. At least he wouldn’t have been bought and paid for by special interest and big corporations.
      Would love to have your input. Do you know of this candidate and why is he being silenced. I believe it is more than his campaign not having enough money. They have let us hear Huntsman. Is that because they know he couldn’t get the nomination?
      Please all check out this man, Buddy Roemer and give me your thoughts.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear B. Hess,

        I admit to not spending much time researching Mr. Roemer as he is a non-entity in the GOP beauty contest. However, from what I have seen and heard he makes no mention of returning our nation to Constitutional governance and only wants to cut a paltry 1% of federal spending.

        As to why he is not getting attention, I can only surmise that it has to with the fact that he has not bowed and scraped and kissed the rings of the NWO.

        During the 2008 election cycle, Ron Paul was excluded from some of the debates and mostly ignored. However, he has spent the last 30 years attempting to educate people on the Federal Reserve and liberty issues and his message has finally begun to resonate. If he fails to secure the nomination, liberty lovers can take heart in the fact that his message is appealing to the younger generation and he is at least laying the groundwork for a return to true conservatism they way Goldwater laid the groundwork for the election of Ronald Reagan.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • Ann Wilson Kingsley

      The now Neo-Con Iowa Tea Party endorsed Santorum in Iowa, Romney in New Hampshire, and Gingrich in Florida. They are all over the place with Globalist New World Order Corporatist Progressive same as Socialist endorsements. The Tea Party is the disaster that is killing the presidency for the Conservative movement. Because Libertarians are strong Fiscal Conservatives as well as avid Social Conservatives (in a way that actually works to promote Social Conservatism), I’m sure you can easily figure this one. Ron Paul won over 21% of the vote in the Iowa Caucus on his own, sans any endorsement. Santorum, with the Tea Party endorsement, came from way behind, an unvetted candidate, and surged to over 24%. Since Santorum made it to less than 16% without the Tea Party endorsement, we can assume the Tea Party endorsement was worth over 10%. So with the Tea Party endorsement, who would have been the Conservative, not Neo-Con winner of the Iowa Caucus? Ron Paul, of course, with 31% of the vote or more.

  • Rick

    All you have to do is say pro-life and throw Jesus in there somewhere and have a pretty commercial with your wife and kids. 99% of people that say they are conservative will fall for it every time.

    • APN

      Rick, Really now? I guess all we Christians are just mind numbed robots. Correct? You assume much and understand very little and obviously you are one of those radical RP supporters that “thinks” that anyone that would not for for him, must be a RINO, NEO-CON, etc etc etc.

      You sound more like a progressive-liberal than a libertarian.

      • Peter

        Why do you call Ron Paul supporters “Radical”? Because we believe in the Constitution, or because we believe in spending more wisely? Or maybe because we don’t want to support undeclared wars of aggression? It seems to me that the anti-Paul people are more radical.

        • APN

          Peter, because what you say is damaging! You are no different from the radical progressives that continually throw around your dumb little divisive words, such as, NEO-CONS, etc etc etc. Keep it up my fellow American and you will be most assured to get the OBAMINATION back in power in 2012.

          Not to mention the fact that I have had numerous people on this blog basically call me STUPID because I wasn’t voting for RP. Or, I just don’t understand the constitution or the facts of the situation. RP is just so smart, I just don’t get it!

          Most of you people can’t see the forest for the trees as you CLING to your PAPER document written by men that RP couldn’t even get an audience with. The constitution is about moral principle as directed by the Holy Scripture, not LIBERTY. In fact, the vast majority of those who claim “LIBERTY” is a tool for nothing more than a license for bad immoral behavior. Liberty is however a result of a peoples GOOD BEHAVIOR driven by moral character. It is Self-imposed, not mandated by a constitution nor by another man or woman. George Washington understood this and so do I, so if that makes me dumb and stupid, then so be it.

          You can take all this talk about the constitution and use it for toilet tissue. That is about all it is worth in modern day America. RP cannot change that fact nor can any other human being on this planet. Until we get back to a morally principled mindset, a CHRISTIAN MINDSET, like George Washington had, then nothing will change. We will however be left to our own devices, as GOD promised.

          • DaveH
          • APN

            Show you what DaveH, be specific, I’m not omniscient.

            …and do me a favor. Stop sending me these dumb URL’s.

          • DaveH

            Oh yeah, that was an intelligent comment.

          • Ann Wilson Kingsley

            “And how is this working for you?” We have homosexuals coming to our schools trying to teach children 5 years of age to be bisexual; 41% of all pregnancies are to unwed mothers in the U.S.; most neighborhoods are unsafe. This is where your way of doing things got us. The Libertarians know how to curb vice and its consequences: The Libertarians do not pay for it. Vote for a Republican House and retake the Senate to curb Obama. Then vote for a principled Conservative for president not a Neo-Con. Do not ever vote for a Republican Obama again. Vote for Ron Paul!

          • Ann Wilson Kingsley

            APN, it is too bad that you have so little self-control that you despise liberty. Maybe you should ask your mother to ground you. If she is no longer living, perhaps your minister will do the job for you. Grow up! Here is the scoop on Israel. Before you rant all over the place about Ron Paul, you should check your facts.

            Libertarians are more Conservative by far than Republicans because they are Constitutionalists. If Libertarians had been in charge of past presidencies instead of Republicans, our country would not be in the condition it is in. Libertarians eliminate federally funding and federal promotion of vice. Have you noticed how morally degraded our country is becoming? Libertarians adhere to a constitutional structure because that is what works. People who are against Ron Paul are afraid of anyone who thinks outside the box, and if the solutions were inside the box we would have an ideal country to live in, but we do not. The same old tried and trite solutions do not work.

            Below is some documented information on Ron Paul’s foreign policy and military strategy. Prepare to be shocked out of your chair!

            The Israeli Mossad says Iran does not pose a threat to Israel.
            http://in.news.yahoo.com/iran-no-threat-israel-mossad-chief-205136026.html
            A former head of the Mossad warned that Iran should not be attacked because it will set off a regional religious war.
            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/former-mossad-chief-israeli-strike-on-iran-will-lead-to-regional-war-1.398537
            Lt. Colonel Shaffer says Ron Paul’s Iran Policy Most Accurate
            http://by170w.bay170.mail.live.com/#n=1259539391&fid=1&fav=1&mid=33ec855b-373d-11e1-a74e-00215ad80c26&fv=
            Israel has 100s of different kinds of nukes. Ron Paul is trying to keep American tax payers from having to spend more money on wars when we are not being attacked.
            Ron Paul is for a strong military:
            Ron Paul receives more political donations from military personnel than all other candidates combined. “The libertarian congressman boasts more donations from military members than any other 2012 presidential candidate. The claim was determined “true” by Politifact, after the fact-checking group looked at Federal Election Commission filings.” Santorum has a grand total of $750 from all branches of the military combined! $750!!! Gingrich has an “impressive” $4,900! Romney has a whopping $13,300! Ron Paul has $95,567! I wonder who’s foreign policy the military agrees with! We actually know what’s going on over seas, and many of us support Paul! If you want to stop the endless nation building wars, support who the troops support!

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/05/santorum-compares-holding-elective-office-to-military-service/#ixzz1ikf5SrQK
            The military supports Ron Paul because he wants to end obsolete bases and military hardware, and he is for advanced technological weaponry research. Ethical American soldiers do not want to fight wars against countries that have not attacked the United States. Ethical people do not attack others without extreme provocation.
            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/04/ron-paul-gingrich-chickened-out-when-called-for-military-service/#ixzz1idb5QBm1

          • APN

            Well Ann, go back and re-read my post and see if your VERY lengthy post has any relevance to what I stated. You seem to be confused. Typical of someone with an emotional mindset.

            Since you have difficulty reading and comprehending, let me spell it out for you. RP is MEANINGLESS and the CONSTITUTION is meaningless until we get back our moral compass. The constitution was written for a moral peoples and will not work outside of that spectrum. RP, NG, MR, RS, MB or King Obama cannot FIX the aforesaid. If and when this country decides to turn back to GOD, then and only then will the constitution have any real meaning.

            Point in case, you can go back in time as far as your little heart desires and replace X Presidents with all the RP clones you can find and the RESULT will be NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. In fact, in all probability, WORSE!!!

            You may be naive enough to put your trust in another man or woman as YOUR savior of the world, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE!

            FREEDOM comes from GOD, not men, and our FOUNDERS understood that fact.

          • Karolyn

            APN said “you CLING to your PAPER document written by men” Isn’t that what the Bible is?

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, very good. :)

          • APN

            As I suspected, Libertytrain states he/she is a CHRISTIAN, but? Shallow ground my fiend, just as I suspected.

            The constitution was written by MEN who had a deep and abiding faith in GOD. The BIBLE was written by the HAND OF GOD through GODLY men.

            …and your point is?

            Let’s hear it “Libertytrain”? Maybe you can get the all omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent DH to help you give us your “Wordly” progressive answer. That is what you and DH are, correct?

          • libertytrain

            Good grief apn – your lack of Christianity is showing again.

          • APN

            Maybe, but it pales in comparison to YOUR SHALLOW GROUND, my friend. I I’m not a pretender, as you are.

          • libertytrain

            good grief. Poor soul.

  • Deerinwater

    Santorum has said and done enough that my image of him is more along the lines of suck-up, brown nose, boy child wanna be that is attempting to climb ranks inside the vacuum of stupid that exist inside the GOP.

    Someone has told this boy that he was “bright” (maybe his mother) and he believes it!

    • moonbeam

      The vibes I get from “Sanitarium” is there is a some sort of mental problem going on. Can’t quite put my finger on it yet, but there is a mental problem. I’m never wrong about stuff like this.

      All I can say for now is…”Napolean”. Not sure what that means but that’s the vibe I’m getting. We’ll see.

      But don’t worry, he won’t get the nomination. THAT much I know for sure. Too much like a little boy prone to temper tantrums…dangerous.

      • http://google rose

        That is funny.

      • APN

        …I would suggest you stay focused on the moon, moonbean, and leave the work of serious issues to intelligent people capable of problem solving.

    • APN

      Obviously he is brighter than you are, and given that fact, maybe you should change your name to “Deer in headlights”.

      • eddie47d

        He and Michelle B. were saber rattling for war with Iran so I don’t believe that Santorum thinks about the consequences of his actions.

        • APN

          Sure he does. I have no issue with Rick other than I do not think he is the best candidate to unseat KO. Neither is RP.

          Best chance of defeating AMABO will be NG and that is the reason he has been attacked over and over again. Maybe a NG/RS ticket or NG/MB ticket.

          Works for me.

          • DaveH

            Why?

          • APN

            Logic my friend, something that seems to elude you.

          • DaveH

            I’m awed by your intelligence, APN.

          • MAJOR DAD

            I’m with you, APN. Obrainless will wipe the floor with S-itt Rockhead and most of the others that jumped into the candidate pool from day one. I’m almost positive that it was Rockhead that torpedoed Palin’s intentions to run with his PAC and sought out the bimbos that made false allegations against Cain, whom I supported. Rockhead trashes every other candidate, but he does it on the sly through surrogates and his PAC. I could even almost tolerate RP against MR but he shouldn’t even be running on our Republican ticket as he is a Libertarian of long standing and definitely no Republican – he’s just a spoiler in the race.

  • http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/ Tucci78

    The “social” (more properly religious) pseudoconservatives seem to have no trouble at all with Big Government as long as they’re fed the illusion that such lawlessly intrusive and aggressive governance will embody the religious whackjobs’ hatred in actions against whatever factions the fellahin fear and despise.

    How long has it been since “conservative” meant “constitutional”?

    • rb

      I am a Christian and I am a conservative. I also could not agree with you more!

    • Robert Smith

      Question asked: “How long has it been since “conservative” meant “constitutional”?”

      Since the days of Barry Goldwater.

      Rob

      • Aurelio

        Conservatives respect the Constitution, which is our legal frame. Ron Paul is simply constitutional, but that doesn’t make him automatically a conservative; He is for drug legalization, and against building a wall to stop illegal immigration, and that is not conservatism, and probably unconstitutional.

    • speedle

      Good question

    • APN

      Fact is, the words “Conservative” and “Constitutional” are mutually exclusive in the same way that “Liberal” or “libertarian” are mutually exclusive to the word “Constitutional”.

      I personally have witnessed ALL the aforesaid GROUPS disagree with MY interpretation of the constitution. It is simply an IDEA that no single ideology has a patent on nor was this original IDEA authored solely by those with a libertarian mindset. For all those who claim to be Libertarian, if you had the opportunity to live back in the days of our FOUNDERS, well, you may just find out that immoral behavior, as we see today, would be dealt with quickly and harshly.

      In fact, the constitution came from men of moral principle and character, guided by JESUS CHRIST. They saw our rights coming from a SOVEREIGN GOD, not men. Fact is, the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the HOLY SCRIPTURES were the driving factors in our constitution, nothing more and nothing less.

      Regardless of how many people attempt to deny this fact, it changes nothing. Our constitution has more to do with Christianity than any of the aforementioned ideologies. If you don’t believe that, then you haven’t spent the necessary time to study the comments made by our FOUNDERS……

      Annuit Coeptis GOD HAS FAVORED OUR UNDERTAKING

      Novus ordo seclorum …..look it up and do some REAL research

      Many more examples, just look them up.

      Now, given that, come back to me and tell me what you think would happen to a gay couple back in the DAY. What would happen to a man that would lay with a man or a woman with a woman.

      Our issues today have nothing to do with the constitution but has everything to do with a lack or a moral compass, as we have “Progressively” turned our backs on GOD, the CREATOR. Get the moral compass back and you will see positive change, otherwise, we will be doomed “To our own Devices”. You simply cannot legislate morality and you cannot live a happy and prosperous life without GOD.

      Our constitution WAS NOT written for an immoral peoples nor was it written for those who believe in “Collectivism”. i.e.; Man made social justice, economic justice, wealth redistribution. etc etc etc MARXISM
      ———————————————————————-
      Quote:

      By 1778, George Washington had so often witnessed God’s intervention that on August 20, he wrote Thomas Nelson that:

      The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations.

      end quote
      ———————————————————————
      Another quote of MANY from our founding Father George Washington:

      While encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. In Washington’s response, he first told them that “Congress… will look on them as on their own children.” [4] That is, we would train their children as if they were our own. He then commended the chiefs for their decision:

      You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention. [4]

      end quote

      According to George Washington, what students would learn in American schools “above all” was “the religion of Jesus Christ.”

      _____________________________________________________________________

      Given the aforesaid quotes, just how does Rick Santorum’s “Morality” differ from that of our 1st President, George Washington?

      In summary, I find that most people who claim that we need to go back to our founding document, the constitution, lack the moral compass to do so. i.e.; Mutually exclusive

      Go figure!

      • ChristyK

        Our nation was founded by Christians with a strong moral belief, but Santorum is very far from our founding fathers. Our founding fathers specifically limited the federal government’s ability to control religion and morality (although they did not limit a religious and moral man, who was elected to federal office, from acting on his beliefs). States were allowed to endorse religion and morality. The Federal government was not. This is why prohibition was a consitutional amendment; they understood that the federal government did not have the authority to prohibit the use of alcohol.

        Our founders also specifically stated that we should have friendly (economic) relations with all nations, but entangling alliances with none. They understood that we did not have the moral or legal authority to police the world or interfere in other nations that have not attacked us. Santorum wants to attack nearly every nation that disagrees with us. (sounds like a bully to me)

        Santorum has actively and repeatedly promoted legislation that is diametrically opposed to the bill of rights and the rest of the constiution. He likes to couch his stances on the constitution, but consistently acts contrary to the constitution. He is not an honest man.

        If you want consistency and morality, you want Ron Paul. He has been consisten for most/all of this long life. As an Obstetrician he had 2 rules: No abortions and No federal funds. These were never broken. If a patient showed up that had Medicaid or Medicare, he treated them for free rather than receive unconstitutional funds. This cost him personally. On a truly principled man would live his life this way. A Christian should support this kind of man rather than someone, like Santorum, who wraps himself in the cross, yet acts differently than he speaks.

        • APN

          That is your harsh judgement and opinion of the man, not mine. I do not support him, however, I do not find him to be this evil immoral person, as you do. The same judgement you place on him will be equally applied to you.

          Given the fact that we spend about 90% of our time talking about the VISION of the founders and the constitution, I thought it would be interesting to invoke the comments made by one of our FOUNDERS. I think the comment I posted concerning GW would not be acceptable in our modern day America. You think? Let a modern day politician make this comment and then you will witness a massive REVOLT!

          My point, Ron Paul nor any other human being on this planet can FIX America. It is a moral and spiritual problem, not a constitutional problem. Our constitution is meaningless in modern day America and the current state of our nation proves that fact. Simply put, the document was not designed for an immoral peoples and will not work!

          Our founders understood where our FREEDOMS come from, does Ron Paul?

          I doubt it VERY seriously! He is just another man who desires to be President. Regardless of who the next President is, meaningless, unless that person has the persuasive power to help us re-kindle the spirit of GOD in this country.

          We can either return to our roots or continue to suffer the consequences of our own devices and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the constitution but has everything to do with GOD or the lack of.

          • DaveH

            I don’t know who’s scarier, APN, the Liberals or you.

          • APN

            Well DaveH, Actually I would say you are.

          • DaveH

            Polly want a cracker?

          • APN

            Cute! Now who is the “Intelligent one”??

          • http://google rose

            Wow, APN chill out and say a prayer to God that he will give you peace. Fact is that we will be voting for a president this coming November and there is not a single canidate that is a saint. You are looking for someone who will run this country like Moses or something and it is not going to happen. At least not yet. When Christ returns to earth then we wil have a government that you dream of. Until then let us vote for someone who is willing to stand up for the constitution and abides by it. Our constitution was written by God fearing men. We need a plan to run this country, so let us just stick with the one we already have. Vote Ron Paul and let’s get it done.

          • APN

            T Rose, who said I don’t have inner peace? I have plenty of it by the grace of GOD. I also never said that I was looking for Moses to run for President. If I were then I would not be supporting NG. You people seem to think that RP is Moses, I DO NOT.

            I did say however that RP cannot fix the moral decline in this country nor can some DUMB piece of paper called the constitution. My point is, it will continue to be a DUMB piece of paper until we turn back to GOD, as a peoples, and not turn to a man, like RP or NG.

            Bottom line, our issues are spiritual not earthly, and neither NG or RP can fix it. WE MUST FIX IT.

          • Aurelio

            Religion has a place in a man’s heart; but it can be very dangerous in politics. Throughout the Middle Ages the Catholic Church determined life and death in the whole western world. Its excesses and abuses were extremely cruel. Religion, or a belief system helps a person to build his character, but it should not be the determining factor in a governing body; Freedom should be. The Founding Father’s character was shaped by Christianity, but they made sure that the “business of government” was entirely free of any type of religious entrapping.
            Through out your post, I can smell the veiled rancid stench of tyranny.

          • APN

            MARCUS Said: Through out your post, I can smell the veiled rancid stench of tyranny.

            Show me specifically the “Stench of Tyranny” in what I just stated. Where have I MANDATED anything concerning GOD? I don’t have any issue with GOD, do you? Given your reaction, it would appear that you do.

            Nobody on this planet can force you to seek GOD. It must come from within each individual, a personal choice. You simply cannot legislate morality through a constitution or a President. Our laws come from GOD, not men. HE is our moral compass just like GOD was our FOUNDERS moral compass when forming this Nation.

            My comments were SPECIFICALLY about the STENCH of the moral decay in this country, nothing more and nothing less. Given our constitution was written by MEN OF GOD, of DEEP AND ABIDING FAITH in a HIGHER POWER, then logic would dictate that this document would be meaningless to a immoral peoples. i.e.; Modern day America (The evidence of that fact cannot be denied.)

            In fact, I see it as the “TYRANNY of LIBERTY” from a sovereign GOD. When we turn back to that sovereign GOD, then and only then will our constitution work and we will once again be a FREE and PROSPEROUS PEOPLES. This is a spiritual thing, not an earthly concept.

            Given your assessment, then George Washington, as well as many other Founding Fathers, formed this country on the basis of “Tyranny”. As I stated earlier in this POST, GW asserted that the religion of JESUS CHRIST would be taught ABOVE ALL OTHERS in our public schools and implied that the CONGRESS would back him.

            Boy how things have changed! We focus more today on “Personal Liberties” to do whatever makes us “Feel Good” regardless of the consequences to our family, friends, neighbors or country. It is a selfish self-defeating mindset and it is reflected in the moral decay in our children. Generation to generation. Now, let us continue down this path of destruction through our personal liberty from GOD.

            My opinion of the situation, no MANDATE expressed or implied. The choice is yours.

          • Richard Pawley

            All who believe in God must absolutely pray that He work His will on our body politic this fall or our lives will forever be changed. If we do not seek God for guidance and direction and pray that He work His will in all that is going on in the life of every member of Congress and every bureaucrat and all who are running for president then I can assure you that you will be astounded at all that happens in next few years.

            Only God truly knows who will be best as president. We only have the record of those running but God knows men’s hearts. He can change them, if enough people pray. Many don’t seem to realize (although I suspect you do) that the future of our country is at stake. As things are going now in 10 or 15 years it will not be recognizable. I agree that we are in so deep that men alone cannot save our nation as we have known it.

            We are on a path of destruction and nearly a million people have left this country since the Democrats took over the Congress in 2006. Republicans are no angels either and as Jesus said, “As you sow, so shall you reap!” Well, we have sown the wind and we will soon reap the whirlwind! We have far surpassed the evil that ancient Israel did before God had to punish them. Those who are believers, Christian and Jew, must pray for our country or you will bitterly regret in a few years that you did not. I cannot tell you it will be enough but at least you will be protected in the hard times that are coming. Perhaps they can be held off for a few more years. I really don’t know.

            What I do know is that I was praying last November and I clearly heard the firmest voice I could imagine, a voice like steel, that said, “MY HAND OF JUDGEMENT WILL STRETCH FORTH AND ALL WILL FEEL IT, SOME MUCH MORE THAN OTHERS. FEAR NOT!” And I instantly recalled that when Jesus said, “Fear Not!” to his earliest followers so long ago it was not because there was nothing to fear, but to remind them that God is still in charge. I suspect people are going to be terrified at all that happens as they will know that their lives have been changed forever, and some of them will turn to anger. Believers, however, will need to know what to do, and when, and how, and only God can tell you that. Those who only know about Him and don’t know Him or have some kind or relationship with Him will be torn this way and that along with everyone else. God does not want us to be fearful but he cannot let us or the world continue on the path of evil and immorality that it is on or He would not be God. As a father chastises the children he loves to teach them right from wrong so God must teach us a lesson we seem incapable of learning any other way.

            I have no idea how much longer we can continue on the path we are going. Wiser men than I have said that 24 months from now things will be much worse than they have every been, our nation’s being broke will be evident and food will be one of our biggest concern’s. I cannot say if we have that long or hopefully longer, but it would be foolish to pretend that all our problems will just go away or that we can elect some magician who can undo the natural consequence of all we have done in the past. Jesus said that the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike, and while His people by whatever cloth or persuasion will have peace when all these things happen – I am not talking about the end of the world – the rest may be going crazy or rioting when they realize that all their plans to take from those who have will no longer be possible, because everyone will be doing their best to survive. I offer no solutions except I know that God loves all who are reading this and He will never turn away anyone who seeks His justice and righteousness, but we will all be going through something we have most likely never even imagined. Prayer alone can push off this day (or decade) of reckoning. If millions do not pray, then God help us all. It might even last a generation.

      • kab

        APN – you are ABSOLUTELY correct in your analysis! We are a nation that has turned our backs on God and are going to suffer the penalty for it. WE cannot fix what’s wrong with America. ONLY God can, and we have chosen to follow a path of denying Him and His authority. We think we are so smart in our reasoning God out of our lives – we are so foolish.

        We have been warned, but we choose to ignore the warnings. We are in the last days and our judgment as a nation will be harsh. As Billy Graham said, “If God doesn’t judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

        • APN

          Thanks Kab, our judgement is coming, and soon, and it will not be a paper document that saves us.

  • Candy2

    If Santorum is a Rhino and Romney is moderate progressive – then who is left????? Where are the “real” conservatives? Let’s face it, the big money and party bosses will never allow us to have a real conservative run.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Candy2,

      There is one real conservative (Constitutionalist) in the race. His name is Ron Paul.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • skippy

        Thank you Bob!

        • Minnesota Girl

          NO thank you skippy…Ron Paul is a disaster looking for a place to happen!!

          • LarryH

            Don’t believe everything the MSM tells you. We could USE a ‘disaster’ like Ron Paul about now.

          • eddie47d

            Minnesota Girl must be of the same cloth as Bachmann’s who also tore into Ron Paul.

          • APN

            MG…..I agree completely! RP is not the answer. We don’t have a constitutional issue and the constitution will not solve our nation’s problems. If it could, then our problems would be self healing.

            We have a spiritual and moral decay issue, plain and simple, and no man made piece of paper will solve that issue. When and only when we turn back to the level of FAITH that our FOUNDING FATHERS had, will you see any real positive change. After that, then the constitution will actually mean something again.

            Simply put, our constitution was written for a moral peoples and was not designed to work for anything outside of that spectrum. i.e.; modern day AMERICA.

            ANNUIT COEPTIS

          • Mark in LA

            Well APN getting back to the constitution is a step in the right direction and a major course change.

          • APN

            T Mark in LA,

            …and just how do we get back to the constitution without first getting our moral principles in order? One seems to preclude the other.

            I mean let’s face the facts here. Murder is illegal but it happens everyday in America. Just because you re-implement a form of “Constitutional Governance” means nothing if WE THE PEOPLE do not have a moral compass. Correct? Or I have I missed something here?

          • cawmun cents

            First you ask yourself,what are the root causes of moral decline in our nation?Then you make a list of what kind of conditions caused these issues.Then you make a list of issues,which are directly attributable to our current situation.
            Once you have accomplished this feat,you will as I did,find that it is and has been covetousness,coupled with avarice.
            Greed driven by trying to keep up with the Jones’.
            It is with a heavy heart that you see that credit,has become the American equivalent of heroin to a junkie.Not just for Layman Joe Blow,but for Congressperson Blank as well.You wind up with Party Liners wanting to have their slice of pie and eating it too.Then when it comes time to pay for it,you can somehow pass the buck to future generations.An entire system of banking and loaning monies was created to accomplish just that.
            Now you have those who because they want it all,and want it now,who will defend this system to the death.Because that is what it means,their financial death through debt if it cannot perpetuate itself.
            So you have folks who argue about this and that and cannot agree on how it gets fixed.They(by they I mean me for I am as guilty as the next observant person)say that it is a question of morals,but in fact it has its roots within the very fabric of how finances are currently being handled in our nation.You can listen to what is being said,but remember that of the two types of lies that are told(lies of commision,and lies of omission)the ones you are not hearing are the ones that are much more dangerous.
            But even more dangerous that that is the tendency to say one thing and do another.Any religious person understands this principle.Personally after having watched and listened,I came to this conclusion.
            One man stands out as having done as he claimed he did.
            Not having not done what others claimed he did,which has nothing to do with campaining to fix the conditions which bring about the issues,but having been true to his form,throughout his career.
            Many will toss various incindiary accusations at someone with a plan,but few will look at the plan and say they disagree.
            No person can fix the moral malaise in our nation,except the Lord Himself.Having said that,the person who I have seen as both a disagreeable man and a danger to what I believe is the safety of this nation,I speak of Dr. Paul,has a plan.And though I may disagree with some of his tactics regarding national security,I must say that he is far and away the most honest of the candidtates for president.
            He is the soundest candidate with the soundest plan to reform our nation,who actually does what he says he does.No other candidate could make that claim.Not Romney,not Santorum,not Gingrich,not even and most especially Obama.Dont listen to those who wish to disparage him,look at his record and his pledge to reform our nation first.Then form your opinion.He claims he will take the salary of an average citizen while he is in office,and that is fair,considering the changes he wants to implement.
            I think he should be allowed to at least try to feform government financial procedures and cut back on the time in office and congressial perks.He believes that if cogresspersons have to live as other citizens do,maybe they wont be so daring with other peoples money.I fully support that position.It may not fix anything,but why dont we give it a chance?
            -CC.

          • APN

            CC …………said……….”They(by they I mean me for I am as guilty as the next observant person)say that it is a question of morals,but in fact it has its roots within the very fabric of how finances are currently being handled in our nation.You can listen to what is being said,but remember that of the two types of lies that are told(lies of commision,and lies of omission)the ones you are not hearing are the ones that are much more dangerous.”

            I agree with you but isn’t a lie immoral? Aren’t the things that are being done in secret concerning us in Washington, immoral? Isn’t taking from one to give to another, immoral? I think giving is a personal choice that cannot and should not be mandated by governments.

            I agree with a lot of things RP believes in but I have great difficulty in following him sometimes. I do understand the age thing but this will be a great handicap in the general election. He is just not a good communicator. I do give Mr. Paul tremendous credit for building new planks in the GOP platform. He’s been saying the same message for years, so I do know that he is consistent.

            One major issue I have with RP is the fact that he builds pork into bills and then votes against those bills. Why? To get re-elected? What would be the purpose in doing such a thing and what makes his action superior to those who put their pork in the same bill and then voted FOR THE SPENDING BILL? I would think the later would be more representative of the truth, correct or not?

            In any event, thank you for the best most reasonable post I’ve read lately on the subject of RP. I will give your thoughts great consideration over the next days and weeks.

      • John Glock

        No, not “Conservative”, but “Libertarian” – big difference. That’s why Paul can hook up with George Soros’ crowd on a military defense cutting plan. Oh, and he has other connections to George (One World) Soros – so much so that Soros sponsored a commercial supporting Ron Paul. Not only is he a foreign policy loser, he can hook up with the Dopers and Sluts and campaign for their “Free Society” and turn us into Denmark.
        Get over the Ron Paul thing, guys, he’s not a conservative.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear John Glock,

          You live in a state of confusion (http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/confusion/) and are either terribly mistaken or just a globalist tool.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • Mushin

          REALLY!?

        • Mark in LA

          What do the establishment Republicans want to conserve other than their consolidation on power? Following the Constitution and conserving our liberties seems pretty conservative to me.

      • Dan

        Could not agree more Bob. I’m voting for Ron Paul regardless of who the GOP nominates. I cannot in good conscience vote for any other person. I’ve done my homework on all the candidates and Dr. Ron Paul is the only person I believe represents the people and the constitution. He is a true constitutional conservative. The GOP and the Tea Party have been hijacked by neocons. Only Ron Paul truly represents those of us who believe in the constitution and the vision of the founding fathers. Restore America Now!

        • speedle

          Yeah, stick to your guns Dan – like Captain Smith going down with the Titanic. I find I resent people with your attitude more than I resent the Obamaites and their cult of progressives. At least their ideology can be excused by ignorance. You understand the importance to the country of getting these Chicago gangsters out of office, and yet you refuse to support the big picture. Rather you choose to act like a spoiled child who is not getting his way. Disgusting

          • Brian

            So Speedle – we should elect whoever when that won’t do a hair’s bit of difference to this country or it’s budget? Somebody that has an ‘R’ after their name? Sorry, Ron Paul it is…

          • Dan

            Any other candidate being put into office from either party is simply propagating the status quo. Establishment endorsed candidates from either party are two sides of the same special interests/corporate/bank/elitist coin. Do you really think it makes any difference to the 1% who is in power? The people in power have profited immensely during Obama’s administration. The transfer of wealth out of the middle class since 2008 has been astonishing. I refuse to vote to keep things the way they are. The country is literally bankrupt. Our fiat based currency system will fail ( as has every other fiat based economy in history )Only one candidate realizes the severity of our financial crisis and the looming failure of our currency system and has a plan to start turning this country around from the brink of collapse. Keeping your head buried in the sand and voting for the establishment picked “us vs them” candidate is my definition of ignorance. Wake up and smell the coffee before you cant afford to buy a cup.

          • speedle

            The problem, Brian and Dan, is that you have sipped too much of the Kool-Aid. Most the the GOP candidates have committed to doing 90% of the things you people want (debt reduction, restoration of constitutional government, repeal of Obamacare, etc.), but it is going to require a conservative take over of both houses and the Presidency. Just because they are more political in their approach (trying to attract the squishy fence riders), does not make them politically Obama Lite.

            So the bottom line is we have to take whatever we can get when we can get it. If Paul gets the nomination fine, I’ll vote for him, but chances are that ain’t gonna happen in which case I will vote for whomever does get it. Santorum? He bugs me because he is a religious fanatic, but I will vote for him. Newt? He bugs me because he has a tendency to drift into the “top down solution” trap, but I would vote for him. Romney? He bugs me because he at one time gave support to the notion of the greatest hoax of the 21st century (man made climate change), but I would vote for him. Why??? Because all of them give us a chance to save the Republic and undo the damage that the Obama Marxists have foisted on us for the past three years. That is job 1 for any thinking patriot.

          • Mark in LA

            Yeah, speedle they have “committed” to saying something with a known history of voting in just the opposite way. Ron Paul is the only one who votes what he says. See the difference?

          • DaveH

            The “big picture”, Speedle, is that I’ve listened to people like yourself spout the same old crap for 40 years now, and the Government just keeps Growing. When are you going to take off the blinders and wake to the fact that the majority of the Leaders aren’t in it for the masses? They are in it for themselves, and enablers, such as yourself, have helped paved the road for their takeover of our lives.
            There is only one brave man left as a Presidential Candidate in the struggle to regain our Freedom from the Oligarchs, and that man is Ron Paul.
            Imagine a 76 year old man, instead of just living his last few years in peace, giving them to the people in an effort to turn the clock back in this country to the Freedom concepts of such great Freedom Lovers as Thomas Jefferson.
            If I was religious, I would recommend Ron Paul for Sainthood.

          • APN

            DaveH said: If I was religious, I would recommend Ron Paul for Sainthood.

            How foolish can one person be? That comment in itself explains everything to me concerning DaveH. No wonder you have so much pent up anger against your fellow man. You are actually naive enough to think that RON PAUL can save the world. LMAO!

          • speedle

            Says Dave, “I’ve listened to people like yourself spout the same old crap for 40 years now, and the Government just keeps Growing.” you know Dave, I will give you that. But we have never had the kind of resolve and awareness in the conservative movement that we now have as a result of the Chicago Gangster Regime. This is a whole new ballgame. It is not Bush 41 or 43 or a congress full of Arlen Specters and Olympia Snowes. We have a whole bushel basket full of Tea Party inspired congressmen that are waiting for the opportunity to get things done. We just need the right President and a few senate seats.

          • APN

            Well said Speedle!

        • Tim

          good way to get Obummer re elected

        • APN

          Dan said: Only Ron Paul truly represents those of us who believe in the constitution and the vision of the founding fathers. Restore America Now! end quote

          Well Dan, just exactly what was the vision of the founding fathers? And, given the fact that you appear to be a libertarian, what will this RESTORING AMERICA process entail? Guns and knives or peaceful protest?

          I don’t think the peaceful protest will work given the current state of affairs, however, Guns and Knives would make you a NEO-CON, not a libertarian, so that won’t work either. Result….status quo

          If we restore America to the vision of the FOUNDERS, then gay is not OK anymore. We will also be teaching CHRISTIANITY in our schools over and above all others, approved by GW and the Congress. Look it up, FACTS.

          Is this RP’s vision of America or yours?

          I have many other VISIONS of the FOUNDERS if you are interested. The original VISION of the FOUNDERS just may not be what you think. Was it libertarian, I don’t think so.

          Annuit Coeptis.

          • Karolyn

            So you are obviously advocating Fascism – teaching Christianity in schools. Everybody do as the big I say – It’s for your and the country’s own good.

          • APN

            T Karolyn,

            I’m not advocating anything, my dear. Maybe you should read my comments a little more closely, specifically those I posted about George Washington. Many people on this site talk about the VISION of our founders, so I thought it appropriate to invoke a few comments made by those founders, as follows:

            Quote:

            While encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. In Washington’s response, he first told them that “Congress… will look on them as on their own children.” [4] That is, we would train their children as if they were our own. He then commended the chiefs for their decision:

            You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention. [4]

            end quote
            ____________________________________________________________________

            According to George Washington, what students would learn in American schools “above all” was “the religion of Jesus Christ.” He also implied that it would be backed by the CONGRESS.

            So, this is just one of MANY VISIONS our founding father, George Washington had. Who would have thunk it! SHAZAAM!!!! GW was a Christian and suggested that it be taught in our public schools, ABOVE ALL OTHERS!

            In contrast, modern day America, you better NEVER mention the name “Jesus Christ” or “Christianity” in our public schools! Now, you can teach the ISLAMIC hate filled faith to our kids but not Christianity!

            So much for the constitution and the VISION of our founding Father, GW! The problem is spiritual, or the lack of, and the VISION of our founders CLEARLY understood where our FREEDOMS flow….from GOD…not men or women.

          • Dan

            The vision of the founding fathers is framed in the constitution. Ron Paul is the only person running for office that has stood his ground both in public and private life in living by and defending the constitution. That is why I will only vote for him. I will not vote for a corporate puppet or worse. Case closed.

          • DaveH

            APN,
            I would like to know where you get that the Founders wouldn’t have allowed homosexuals to be free?
            And even if they did object, I doubt seriously that they would have thought that to be a concern of Government.
            Who do those gays harm other than themselves? Why do you think your Aggressive Intolerant behavior is more Godly than homosexual behavior?
            How does your Religious Morality square with killing people in other countries who have in no way attacked our country?
            I would seriously like to know why you feel your transgressions on your fellow human beings are any more moral than the actions of those who you consider to be immoral?

          • APN

            Daveh, actually, homosexual activity during that time period carried the penalty of DEATH. I would suggest you better educate yourself specifically concerning Colonial Laws against Homosexuality. Many articles have been written on this subject and are available via the internet or your local library.

            You said: Who do those gays harm other than themselves? Why do you think your Aggressive Intolerant behavior is more Godly than homosexual behavior?

            I never said that I personally had any beef with a homosexual. GOD did however I did not.( I can provide you with the Holy Scripture if needed). So, take up this issue with GOD, DaveH, not me. He is in fact who you will answer too, not me. I was taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. Nothing more and nothing less.

            you said: How does your Religious Morality square with killing people in other countries who have in no way attacked our country?

            When have I personally killed any people? Do you know something I don’t? Was I sleep walking when I committed all these murders? Seek help DaveH, your emotions are getting the best of you.

            You said: I would seriously like to know why you feel your transgressions on your fellow human beings are any more moral than the actions of those who you consider to be immoral?

            Never said that, as usual, you assume much with your earthly mindset and understand very little, spiritually speaking. I never suggested that I was without sin. In fact, if I were, then I would be Christ Jesus, which I am not. You have an issue with a higher power, don’t you, DaveH. George Washington believed in a higher power and understood the consequences of rejecting that higher power. I do as well.

            Any more questions from the All omnipotent DaveH?

          • DaveH

            Odd that they didn’t include that in the Constitution, like they did include “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”.
            Can you reference any cases of State or Federal Laws stating such death penalty for homosexuality, APN?
            You surely don’t expect us to take your word for it?

          • DaveH

            When have you personally killed anybody, APN?
            Only when you knowingly vote for somebody who will do the killing for you. Do you somehow think that, just because you didn’t pull the trigger, you’re innocent?
            Do you think that weaselly hiding behind the gang leader makes you any less guilty?

          • DaveH

            God DIDN’T say it, APN. Whoever wrote down the words SAID God said it. God isn’t pulling the voting lever to punish such behavior — YOU are.
            And no, I’m not Omniscient. I never claimed to be. That’s why you won’t catch me forcing my way on other people through Big Government — Like you do.

          • TML

            That was a very nice red herring with a strawman in the middle… you have the arrogance to assume yourself an authority concerning the ‘vision’ of the founders? The constitution itself along with the Declaration of Independence is the written collective vision of those founders.

            And if we restore America to the “vision of the founders” it doesn’t consist of allowing a law against gays (per 1st Amendment), although the “vision of the founders” does not include laws to suppress a person’s choice to hold religiously prejudice views.

            As for your insistence that the founders held such religious convictions to make religious morals into law… I’ll give you one from probably the most prominent founder.

            “Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” – Thomas Jefferson

          • APN

            DaveH…..Both you and TML can deny GOD all you want. You can also deny the fact that it was the PREDOMINANT FACTOR in the founding of our country. It is written throughout our founding documents. In fact, it is part of the SEAL of our Nation.

            Your anti-GOD comments are of ZERO consequence to me personally. That is the beauty of GOD, he gives us, as individuals, the FREEDOM to choose him or deny him. You can deny him at your own peril but I do not advise it.

            Try convincing someone of a lessor level of spirituality that GOD is not REAL or he did not have any influence on the MEN that formed this great nation called AMERICA. A shinning city on a hill top for all the world to see.

            GOD BLESS AMERICA! and you too!

          • metalflyer11

            APN, You are correct in advocating the moral values that have been lost through time in this nation. I belive the Government taking control of education and the constant garbage propaganda from television, magazines, etc. have helped change the way many people think. The main reason we are in such a moral mess is thanks to the elite agenda of destroying the family. The Rockefeller family is all behind this you can look into it.
            People 100+ years ago had stronger moral values because most of the education was done at home or small community schools. I do not think religion has nothing to do with moral values. To me religion is just that religion.
            I believe going back to the Constitution will start getting this country back on track but it will not be overnight. Ron Paul is the only candidate not affraid of the truth even if he knows might not get him the votes. Ever wonder why the media ignores him? Ever wonder who controls the media? The rest to me are a buch of clowns trying to do the nice talk to get the votes.
            If RP does not get the nomination, you can vote for either and it will not matter.

          • APN

            T metalflyer11

            I agree with you concerning the moral decay in our country, however, RP re-implementing a form of pure “Constitutional Governance” has nothing to do with the aforesaid. Simply put, the document was written by and for a moral peoples. Given that, it simply will not work for Modern day America and I witness this fact on a daily basis.

          • TML

            APN says; “Both you and TML can deny GOD all you want. “

            I deny your interpretation of God

            APN says; “You can also deny the fact that it was the PREDOMINANT FACTOR in the founding of our country. It is written throughout our founding documents. In fact, it is part of the SEAL of our Nation.”

            Perhaps… but it is also in those documents that the ‘founders’ found great ‘moral’ value in separating church from state only in the manner for which it is stated in the 1st Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

            So not only does this assert that you have the freedom to exercise any religion you choose, it also means that no law can be made based on the religious moral values that violate the equal rights of other.

            APN says; “Your… …comments are of ZERO consequence to me personally. That is the beauty of GOD, he gives us, as individuals, the FREEDOM to choose him or deny him”

            I agree, and the founders (collectively through the 1st Amendment) agreed to allow that freedom to every American.

            APN says; “GOD BLESS AMERICA! and you too!”

            And you also…

          • APN

            TML…. No argument from me whatsoever! Factual, I like it!

            Thanks for the blessings.

            Have a good day and may GOD save us from continuing down this path of destruction.

      • alex

        when ron paul can’t see the difference between those maniacs from iran and the isreales or russians and he wants to be our president we might as well keep the idiot we have and romney would be the same

        • APN

          Well said! I concur completely!

      • George Somsel

        Ron Paul is a liberal—pure and simple. Of course, the Paul-bots won’t understand that since they’re too ignorant to understand much of anything other than Ron Paul’s talking points.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear George Somsel,

          Thank you for a reasoned, concise explanation of your disagreements with Ron Paul and his supporters. (sarcasm)

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • bud

          You nailed it! Ron paul is a liberal. he wants chaos. a vote for ron paul is a vote for obuma. there is NO way around it. Vote for Paul and you have by proxy voted for obuma.

          • Brian

            THAT may be the case but at least you voted your conscience rather than vote for someone that the MSM wants if not Obama…Why vote for someone that shares with Obama that if Obama would crash the economy in 1 day it would take the ‘Republican’ nominee 2 days?

          • LarryH

            When good people cannot tell the difference between a Liberal and a Libertarian, all is lost. Paul is NO LIBERAL. He’s simply not an AUTHORITARIAN like the rest of the so-called ‘Conservatives’ running.

          • APN

            Well Brian, good luck explaining that choice to your children and grandchildren.

          • DaveH

            Liberals promote Big Government. The Neoconservatives promote Big Government. Conservatives promote Small Government. Ron Paul supports Small Government.
            Alex, APN, and Bud are deluded Liberals.

          • APN

            DaveH……….deluded? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

            you never cease to amaze me.

          • DaveH

            Let me explain that to you.
            You are simply a Liberal who has convinced himself that he’s Conservative.

          • APN

            I’m still laughing DH.

      • Aurelio

        Hi Bob,
        I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ron Paul, as a person and as politician. I also believe that we need many more Ron Pauls in the Congress and in the Senate. But Policy wise, I can’t support the legalization of drugs, nor his reluctance to build a wall to stem the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs. The south border is a curse. Third, I disagree with the idea of turning our back to allow Iran to pack up nuclear weapons. We are the real objective; Israel will be just for target practice. But, if he were to be our next President, he wouldn’t be able to implement most of his agenda because he won’t have the majority in the House nor in the Senate. The system is too intricate and deep rooted to be changed a single man. Regarding to the Constitution his message is necessary, and we should, we the people, to press our representatives and senators to respect it.

    • skippy

      ANY ONE BUT NEWT!!! :)

      • Walt-2

        Including “The Donald”?

      • George Somsel

        Newt is better than Ron Paul by a country mile.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear George Somsel,

          Yes, if you want continued fascism, more wars and more debt.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Brian

            Bob, you are correct sir! And George – learn about the candidates!

          • George Somsel

            Bob et al, Perhaps YOU should learn about the candidates. Ron Paul is a loon who appears to be on the verge of a breakdown. Did you ever notice that when he gets on his lunatic topic his voice rises in pitch and he appears about ready to blow a gasket. The last I heard defense is one of the areas specified in the Constitution, yet Paul wants to stick his head in the sand and take the view that if we’re just nice to them they will be nice to us. Interstate commerce is likewise one of the areas of concern for the Federal government yet Paul wants to contend that the Feds shouldn’t regulate drugs. Well, go take a toke and calm down.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear George Somsel,

            Yes, defense is one of the Federal government’s responsibilities as enumerated in the Constitution. However, there is also a Constitutional method of declaring war, which has not been followed since World War II. The Founders warned us of “entangling alliances.” There is no provision in the Constitution that gives the Federal government the authority to regulate drugs, alcohol or any such thing. I suggest you read the Constitution, pay special attention to the powers enumerated in Article 1 Section 8, and Amendments 9 and 10. Your ad hominem regarding drug use is unbecoming of you and not a basis for reasonable discussion.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Brogan

            Actually if I remember right mister livingston newt and the house were able to pay down 500,000,000,000 dollars in debt

          • DaveH

            Have you seen their plans to cut spending, Brogan?
            Here’s Ron Paul’s plan:
            http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

          • George Somsel

            Bob Livingston wrote: “However, there is also a Constitutional method of declaring war, which has not been followed since World War II.”

            Stuff and nonsense. The Constitution does not require a specific form of words to declare war. Bush obtained the requisite approval from Congress so that is the end of the matter.

        • PATRIOT 101

          Newtie would continue and accelerate the “Imperial Presidency”. If we (by the grace of God) get to actually have an election) we had better take advantage of it to elect a constitutional conservative that will actually shrink big government and big debt. This will undoubtedly be our last chance to change course peacefully. ANY OTHER candidate is a vote for the status quo. The only candidate running that will abide by the constitution is Ron Paul.

        • APN

          I agree George, no comparison. Newt has his issues but age brings wisdom, and if elected, you will see effective leadership like none before him. The guy is smart, very smart, and since getting his life right with GOD, he has a mission to save AMERICA.

          I personally see no other candidate, including RP, that could even stand a chance of getting this country back on track to FREEDOM. If we have ever had a time in our history that requires effective leadership more so than now, then I cannot recall it, and NEWT is the man for the job, without question.

          If elected, he will go down in history as one of the greatest Presidents of all times, the man who HELPED saved AMERICA. As he said, don’t send me to Washington and then forget about our troubles and then go home. GO WITH ME TO WASHINGTON because I cannot do this alone.

          That my friend is LEADERSHIP, without question.

          • DaveH

            Pass that doobie this way, APN, don’t be stingy.

          • http://google rose

            Apn you, really think that Newt has got right with God? He sure knows the right things to say. Newt is full of corruption and is a snake in the grass. Funny what money will make people say.

          • APN

            There you go again Rose with that judgmental crap! Are you the same Rose that suggested that I pray to GOD for inner peace? If so, I would suggest you take your own advise.

  • rb

    Obviously the GOP elite establishment is fully aware that Romney is not an acceptable candidate to true conservatives any more than John McCain. They fully intend to shove a candidate down everyone’s throat that will not rock the boat or do anything but lip service to recreating a government that is truly constitutional instead of the facist regime supported by those of both parties who benefit daily from the current arrangement. First it was Newt, now it’s Santorum. Fortunately they are running out of “new” posers to parade out in front of us and fool the sheeple with. At least Santorum can claim of all the current candidates he has had the fewest number of billionairs dontate to his campaign. Other than than Ron Paul of course who hasn’t had any billionairs contribute. Hmmm.

  • http://google JoeH

    Soooooo, what is the alternative? Romney? The liberals would love to see him to be our not very conservative candidate! Between the two, I’ll vote for Santorum.

    • DavidL

      Romney is a closet liberal. Santorum is the man.

      • Brian

        DavidL – have you REALLY looked into what Santorum has done in his career?

        • APN

          ….and what has Ron Paul done or not done? Has he had any pork barrel spending over the years? Just curious?

      • DaveH

        Now why would a Liberal be promoting Santorum?
        Obviously, DavidL thinks he would be the least likely to beat Obama.

        • APN

          … for the same reason a liberal like you supports RP.

  • Fredsworld

    I knew I should have run for the Presidency! The only person I see who is a patriotic constitutionalists is me, and maybe Ron Paul! I know Paul is out there on foreign policy and he sometimes caters to Islamists, I think I’m leaning his way to help swing the pendulum all the way back to the right side to counter Obumbags WAY left communist, Islamist , Nazi movement to the left. I guess?? Once again we have no good options!

    • Brian

      Caters to islamists? Get a clue. Saying we should not stick our nose where it doesn’t belong is not catering to anyone. You do realize that the US has been sticking its nose into the Middle East since 1953, don’t you? Or are you one of those people who would jab a hornets nest with a stick and then blame the hornets for stinging you?

      • Dan

        Brian, that is a perfect analogy!

        • APN

          Sure is, if you’ve got your head in the sand.

          • DaveH

            You should know, APN.

      • APN

        Well ole Daveh, the only way I could get my head in the sand would be to remove you from the sandbox.

        • DaveH

          Again? You sound more like Eddie all the time.
          Polly want another cracker?

          • APN

            Well DH,if I did, I would go to the local store and buy my own. Eddie however would expect YOU to go buy them and them deliver them to him, personally. Maybe even get him some cheese spread while your at it!

            LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://baersart.com Jane Larson

    Santorum is lke a missionary, he is for fetus-rights but also for all teh goodies for the poor. It is very odd that Evangelicals are backing him since he is soft on illegal immigrantion from mostly Catholic places.

  • JulesV29

    Why don’t we just do the smears for the Left? Oh, wait, we are. I don’t want Mitt Romney as my president anymore than I wanted Obama. Romney is Obama-lite. At least Santorum will stand up for America and if we get enough Conservatives into the Senate and House, we have a chance to turn this Country around and restore the America that is the home of the free. Stop bashing and start campaigning for as many conservatives to get into the house and senate as possible!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear JulesV29,

      We do promote conservatives here. Unfortunately, those on the national stage can be counted on one hand.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Mushin

        I CAN GO ONE BETTER MR. LIVINGSTON – THEY CAN BE COUNTED ON ONE FINGER OF ONE HAND – What’s the cause of this blindness to the Forefathers ideals to the bull of the neocon’s?

        see the links below!

        How To Brainwash A Nation

        Plundering the American Dream: College Students Demonstrate the Idiocy Of Our Education System

        • APN

          Mushin said: How To Brainwash A Nation

          Plundering the American Dream: College Students Demonstrate the Idiocy Of Our Education System

          ….and just what did these so called “Neo-Cons” have to do with this?
          What have I missed? I thought the NEA was controlled by the GOD HATING AMERICAN HATING progressives? Get your facts straight!

          The more and more I read on this blog, the more clearly it becomes to me that the majority of folks posting comments are more so the “Progressive” anti-conservative types. i.e.; LIBERAL not libertarian or conservative

          • DaveH

            Do you support the US as the World’s Policemen?
            Do you support the Drug Wars?
            Do you support Vice Crime Laws?
            If so, you love Big Government as much as those you call Liberals. You just have a different Agenda.

          • APN

            T daveH,

            you said:

            1.) Do you support the US as the World’s Policemen? NOPE

            I do however think that GOOD MEN will not stand by and watch evil be perpetrated on innocent people.

            2.) Do you support the Drug Wars? YEP

            Drugs are a National security issue and probably the primary catalyst for the moral decay in America. It starting in the great state of Ca. and has since spread like the cancer it is across the Nation.

            3.) Do you support Vice Crime Laws? YEP

            Activities that are made illegal because they offend the moral standards of the community banning them. Gambling, pornography, and prostitution are the big three of vice crimes in most states and communities. i.e; Moral issues, nobody in their right mind would want to live in such conditions or have their children subjected to such immoral activities.

            Any more questions from the ALL OMNIPOTENT Daveh, just let me know and I will address them, no problem whatsoever.

            You said: If so, you love Big Government as much as those you call Liberals. You just have a different Agenda.

            I guess that makes me a 66% big gov ernment liberal with a different agenda. Whatever the heck that means. Go take you a nerve pill DaveH.

          • cawmun cents

            First the left right paradigm,now the drug war paradigm.
            Its a question of the money flow fellows.
            If one makes war on something and funds it at both ends,while in a system where you can borrow money from future generations,dont you see the absolute evil that can be had from watching it happen,and not having a voice in the fight?You pour your derision down on one side or the other,never suspecting the the black scientists running the show have you fooled like a dupe from day one.They play both sides of the fence and borrow monies that never get spent while apropriating funds from those who they wish to indict.They make money both ways.
            Ending the drug war would mean that their pie plate would suddenly be empty.Not something they want to happen.
            So they keep you arguing and keep making money on both sides of the fence while you shout your opine at one another.This is similar to what is happening in congress at the finance level.And so you get the same results,nothing changes.
            The only way to change anything is to start to change anything.
            That has not been done.
            While you argue what needs to be accomplished,and have chosen to back someone who will change with the wind if it is to their advantage,instead of having integrity,no matter the outcome,you risk keeping things as they are now.That is not a tenable position.
            NG,is a do as I say,not as I do,politician.
            RP is not.
            That is the difference between having wisdom and espousing ideology through fear.Fear keeps us in line for the way it is now.
            Letting go,and letting God show us the way to keep accurate weights and measures is pertinent to the conditions.
            Any other way of doing things is blatantly foolhardy.
            Continuing on down this road leads to destruction.
            It is possible that we will go down that road no matter who leads us,but if we dont give other ideas a try then we are doomed to go down that road together.
            -CC.

      • alex

        bob as long as you are pushing romney you are not helping this country

        • Minnesota Girl

          I couldn’t agree more, alex! Romney is a snake in sheep clothing!

          • Deerinwater

            Is that anything like “Rocket Surgery”?

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear alex,

          Please point out where I have ever been “pushing” Romney.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • George Somsel

        You claim to support conservatives,but you support Ron Paul—what illogic!

        • Deerinwater

          Would you be so kind as to explain how you fail to see Ron Paul as holding and preaching the most conservative of principles of all candidates running for office today?

          Please share them as I enjoy all points of view. I’d like to know how you arrived at your conclusion.

          You might well be like some of my old hunting buddies I always admired for their directness, making a John Bircher look like a Liberal Art major in Costumes & Design with a whisy walk and a limp wrist.

          • APN

            Well, for one or two of many,

            is legalizing drugs a conservative idea?

            Is sticking your head in the sand when it comes to our national security a conservative idea?

            Just curious?

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear APN,

            Please provide for me a quote in which Dr. Paul has advocated the Federal government legalizing drugs.

            You write: “Is sticking your head in the sand when it comes to our national security a conservative idea?” Read my column next Monday. I address this nonsense in detail.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • APN

            T BobL,

            Answer-1: By default when he ends the war on drugs at the federal level.

            Answer-2: I look forward to your article on RP’s stance concerning our National Security. Thus far, insanity, in my opinion. Or, it could be the case that he needs folks like you to effectively communicate his stance on the issues. The guy cannot effectively communicate thus I do not perceive him as “Presidential”.

            My opinion of course.

            Best Regards,

            APN

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear APN,

            There is no authority in the Constitution for the Federal government to regulate drugs, alcohol or any such thing. I suggest you read the Constitution, paying special attention to Article 1, Section 8 and Amendments 9 and 10.

            As to foreign policy, I address that in depth in my 1/9 column. Stay tuned.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Deerinwater

            “is legalizing drugs a conservative idea?”

            Well Sir. I understand you point and position.

            In criminalizing ‘anything”, you drive it underground and lose even more control and not to mention the taxing potential.

            What we have been doing has failed to be overly effective. Unless you are a bail bondsman or teach and work at a rehab center or make a comfortable living via a predatory court system that has the power to mandate and restrict liberties.

            In the truest sense of the word, I’d say “yes” it is conservative thinking. You are not demanding the protection of government from yourself.

            Does that make any sense at all?

          • Deerinwater

            “Is sticking your head in the sand when it comes to our national security a conservative idea”

            Well if you mean the US holds the right to mow their neighbors lawn just because it thinks that their grass in too tall and might be hiding something.

            I’d say, no, that not conservative thinking.

            Conservative thinking would accept their limits and work to some “joint” accord of all nations and accept the outcome while making your “preferences” clear and known to all. There is millions of ways to “appeal” to someone “sympathetic” nature without blatant gunboat diplomacy. Walk and talk softly, they know the USA has the stick by now.

          • APN

            Dear BobL,

            Not sure I agree with you on the constitutionality of the war on drugs. It is in fact a National Security issue. I personally see no greater threat to our nation than drugs. It is in fact the catalyst to the moral decay in our country.

            Are you suggesting that we allow states the right to legalize drugs and then grow and market these harmful products both here and abroad?

            Does the term BALTICS ring a bell with you?

            Best regards,

            APN

          • DaveH

            National Security. You’re a laugh riot, APN.
            Why is it any of your business what somebody puts in their own body, APN?
            This is your “National Security” at work:
            http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

          • DaveH

            You had best hope, APN, that I’m right about the nonexistence of a God.
            If I’m wrong, you’re going to have a lot of explaining to do.

          • APN

            Well DaveH, I have ZERO issues with the existence of GOD. He is in fact REAL and the judgement you just placed on me will be equally applied to you.

    • alex

      finally some one that can think everyone thinks the president is the whole ball of wax but if we get rid of that ahole ried and his band of 40 thieves the pres is a minor thing

  • http://windows VINNIE

    Now Santorum.I am a registered Democrat ,who voted Republican in the last pres.election.You Republicans better get your act together Get perry out & paul has good ideas ,.but not presidental material.This leaves newt & Romney.Of the 2 I prefer Newt .He can stand up to Obama & make him a loser Every Rep . candidate has under the table problems .STOP NOW forget hurting each other & get to the issues of how to run this country & how to correct our problems!

    • Walt-2

      Finally! The most pragmatic comment posted on this blog, on this subject.

      Let’s realize folks that we will not get a perfect candidate. Based on what most are looking for, the perfect candidate was hung on a cross over 2,000 years ago. So lets get real and accept that nobody that is currently running is perfect. However, anyone of these folks, including Mr. “Oops” Perry, would be better than the Kenyan.

      Pragmatically speaking, I don’t care about how many wives Newt has had, or the specifics of why he got divorced. What I do care about is competence, intelligence, the desire to uphold the Constitution and the bulldog spirit to go toe to toe with the communists/socialists that are determined to “fundamentally change” America into their utopian vision of Cuba.

      While Romney may be “Mr. Clean” in the integrity department and has the business acumen to turn the economy around, I seriously doubt he has the “True Grit” to go up against the Democrats in the manner needed to turn the country around from its current path to socialism.

      Santorum appears to be the darling of the folks more interested in the soft social issues like abortion, gay marriage. While these are certainly important, they are not the overriding dangers we currently face.

      To me, the destruction of capitalism and the Constitution, the massive deficits, currency devaluation and the threat of a nuclear armed Iran weighs much more heavily on my list of concerns.

      The next President must be prepared to fight a ruthless battle on the homefront against the enemy within, as well as making sure that Iran does not become a nuclear state. I believe a mushroom cloud over any of our major cities will pail against the issue of two guys getting a marriage certificate.

      While I’m sure gay marriage and abortion is important to some folks, let’s debate these social issues after we have saved the Republic. Let’s focus pragmatically on who can successfully deal with the real important issues facing our country.

      To me, while certainly not perfect, Newt is the best candidate.

      • Brian

        I disagree. Anyone but Paul will be another big government, more debt, more illegal wars, violate rights in the name of alleged security just like the Kenyan you so despise. Mitt, Newt and Rick are all freedom hating statists like we’ve had for years.

        • Walt-2

          If Ron Paul is selected as the Republican candidate, it will assure 4 more years of the blooming Obama dictatorship. However, I have faith that he will not be the candidate that goes against Obama in November.

          I believe it will eventually come down to either Romney or Gingrich.

          Based on that chioce, the voters will go for Newt. Santorum and Paul will be winnowed out eventually, and Perry will finally get the message much sooner.

          • APN

            Walt-2, Well put, my friend! Newt is the only man I see in the field that can stop the destruction of America. Not only does he have the superior intellect, he has the GUTS and the WILL to take on the Washington establishment and stop this progressive-marxist machine.

            RS will work but Newt is a better choice. Romney is nothing more than a more intelligent copy of Obama and timid would be an understatement. This daycare mentality masked with a pretty little smile ain’t working so you would think it is about time for some REAL leadership. Replacing one slick politician with another will result in ZERO improvement. i.e.; Obamacare or Romneycare…take your choice…no difference!

            Newt has his issues but they pale in comparison to Ron Paul’s. Ron Paul is not Presidential and never will be.

            My opinion of course.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Walt-2,

            Upon what evidence do you base your statement that if Dr. Paul is the Republican nominee, 4 more years of Obama are guaranteed? Or is this merely supposition on your part?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Mark in LA

            APN Newt is the epitome of Republican establishment. Thinking he will challenge it is fantasyland.

          • APN

            Mark in LA, I disagree completely! People change and I am proof of that fact. Newt has changed and he would be a very effective leader in the WH, no doubt in my mind!

          • Brogan

            Walt 2 Alex and Apn are all true american patriots

      • David

        Walt-2, you are definitely misinformed. Of all of the candidates that are hateful towards what our founders created, it’s Newt. His name should have been Python because he’s more of snake than a lizard. Newt is the epitome of big government. You can group Newt, Santorum, and Romney all together and pick one of the bad apples. Or you can go with Perry or Paul…two no so bad apples. (notice I didn’t state ‘good’). It is always sad that we have to select from the lesser of evils versus the best of the best. Realistically with the economic problems we are facing with our country, and I cannot believe I’m stating this since I am very opposed to his foreign and military policies, but Ron Paul may be the only guy to get us on track. How sad is that? Very.

        • Walt-2

          David, Ron Paul’s message of limited government, ending the Fed, strict adherence to the Constitution and “bringing home the troops” are all policies that I strongly agree with in principle.

          However, as I stated, the most important and current danger to the Republic is the aggressive actions currently underway to convert this great nation into a socialist state. These guys now in power are waging a war within to rapidly move this country to the far left.

          While ending the Fed, eliminating Freddie & Fannie Mac, the Education and Energy departments, and bringing home the troops are all laudible efforts, focusing effort on these issues at the expense of the core danger to our nation is dangerous and naive.

          It’s like focusing on repairs to your car on the exhaust system and adding new tires to improve gas mileage, while your engine is belching out clouds of blue smoke.

          • LarryH

            Ending the Fed, Freddie Mac et al, and strict adherence to the Constitution are all part of breaking up the Progressive machinery and life support that must be accomplished if we want to put an end to modern destructive liberalism today. That’s not window dressing, it’s essential to getting this nation back under the control of the People.

          • cawmun cents

            Actually the way it is done now,is like borrowing the money from your grandkids to get the car fixed.The grandkids that havent been born yet.How does that make sense?
            But what do I know?
            Apparently very little…..
            -CC.

        • APN

          Walt-2, Once again, well said and I agree completely. It’s like not being able to see the forest for the trees. What I read that RP will do is euphoric at best!

          What we need to do is STOP OBAMA and the progressives, NOW!!!

          • cawmun cents

            If you believe that lip service will get that done,instead of integrity,then keep going down that road you’re on….good luck!
            -CC.

      • Minnesota Girl

        Amen !! You don’t have to like Newt to give him the opportunity to do what is needed to get this great nation back up and going. He is by far the best in the running!

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Minnesota Girl,

          Really? http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/newt-is-no-rino/

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • cawmun cents

            Ever notice how these dogs just show up in the hunt Bob?
            Kind of like voices in the wind?
            When did they show up?
            When someone said something that made sense about Dr.Paul.
            Make no mistake….these are hired guns.Question is…..who wants you dead Bob?Who wants to make you a non-issue in ths here blog?
            Whoever it is,they picked the wrong Marshall to mess with.
            (spits)Heck,they dont even know about your reputation as a smooth purveyor of personal liberties.If they did,they would just ride into the sunset……..like the mirages their candidates are.

            Yee Haw!-CC.

        • APN

          MG…… Right on target! Newt is the answer, no question!

          • Dan

            Yes, a liar, a thief and an adulterer. Newt is certainly presidential material.

          • Mark in LA

            WYes, Newt is the answer if the question is “Who’s campaign poster gives Obama the biggest woody?”.

          • APN

            Well Mark, If NG is our candidate, well, OBAMA may CRAP in his pants but he certainly will not be jumping for joy!

            Newt would destroy this stupid little immature KID.

      • speedle

        Amen brother. It’s time to start concentrating on the alligators. We can figure out the best way to drain the swamp later.

  • Laurie Tudor

    The more I read about the other candidates, the more sure I am, that I am right about my unwavering support of Ron Paul. I do not fear that Iran will start a war, I fear that we will start one “possibly WWIII”, my biggest fear is that we will be broke and cannot respond adequately to an attack on us. God gave us the freedom to make good or bad choices, so I am a social liberal, do what you want leave me alone. the fed was designed to be small with limited power, lets get back to the constitution, we will all be better off when the feds have nothing else to sell from the white house.

    • Alex Frazier

      Your comments do not describe you as a social liberal. You sound more libertarian.

      • Brian

        Libertarians are socially liberal.

        • John Lilleburns ghost

          Alas Time and time again Alex Frazier has proved that he dosesnt understand this basic concept

          • Alex Frazier

            John, I beg your pardon if I haven’t been able to keep up with every new faction. The word liberal was once used to describe those who are now considered libertarians. The name libertarian was coined to represent those who are for freedom and, in this country, constitutionality, because the term liberal had already been usurped by the socialists.

            So when someone calls themselves a social liberal, when in fact they mean that they are libertarian, they are only muddying the waters by switching up the terminology. I am personally for social freedom, if that is what is meant by social liberal. However, I am libertarian, because that is the term currently in use to describe those who are for personal freedom and a constitutional government.

            So keep your snotty comments to yourself.

    • alex

      and you think WWlll hasn’t already started?

  • Sandra M.

    Yet Santorum doesn’t sounds as bad as Gingrich or Romney. Why is there no article on this site about the other two? Lets be fair and write the pros and cons about each candidate.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Sandra M.

      Much has been written here about all the GOP beauty contestants. Go here: http://www.personalliberty.com/category/election-2012/ to find them.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Robert Smith

        NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!!

        It’s just been confirmed: The Newt Gingrich we currently see running for president is the same Newt Gingrich who being challenged by ethics violations resigned from the House on November 5, 1998, under pressure from his own Republican colleagues.

        And! It’s the same Newt Gingrich who claims he has “family values” and shows it by his commitment to marriage to three different women (of course with appropriate divorces).

        Who else around here thinks same sex couples who decided to marry should appologize to Newt for corrupting each of his previous marriages? Aren’t THEY the ones blamed for devaluing marriage?

        Rob

        • APN

          ….and so much for the apostle Paul.

  • Steve

    What Vinnie says makes sense to me. I’ve been following this whole race with greater interest than I ever have.

    Michelle Bachmann never had a chance, I don’t trust Rick Perry, Ron Paul makes some sense, but other statements scare me, Herman Cain had my interest, but the media smeared him out of the race, and Santorum doesn’t impress me at all!

    Of the two candidates remaining, Mitt Romney appears to me to be the consumate politician, too smooth, too well groomed, and when he answers a question, you never really get an answer, kind of like Obama! So who does that leave?

    Newt appears to be intelligent, he certainly isn’t smooth or well groomed, has answers (but sometimes those answers appear glib) and thanks to the media, he has baggage from previous relationships. I also don’t like some of his past relationships with other politicians and organizations.

    But the GOP better start getting their “SH#T” together or we’ll be looking at four more years of high unemployment, crashing housing, high gas prices, failing businesses, increased governmental regulations, and a LOT more Chicago corruption. Can this country really afford that?

    • Karolyn

      Do you think that changing a President can change all those things you mentioned in 4 years?

      • Steve

        Carolyn, I see the way the current president is side-stepping the Constitution, I see crony-capitalism policies in place, and I see that he’s vehemently opposed to domestic oil production. These things can be reversed or eliminated in one term as president.

        • Brian

          And we saw the same things from the last goon the GOP had in the Oval Office.

        • Deerinwater

          There is no side stepping Sir. We can have disagreements with interpreted. But Considering your position and “ties” he wins.

          Some, you much prove your allegation. If it be so, and as you say, bring it forward so we all might see.

    • APN

      …. I already have my %$^#& in order. I’m voting for Newt without a doubt. He is the only man in the field that can fix this progressive-marxist MESS.

      • Deerinwater

        Well, Good! You can do that! but personally I fail to see any achievements on his ledge and a host of demerits that would make the devil blush.

        Newt has been prolific at selling himself to a “select” crowd. Evidently, you are one such person. But I hope that you have enough loot to gain his attention. As he culls early with a huge qualifier to see if you are even worthy of him and what he might do for you. Otherwise, you are talking to the “hand”

        • APN

          Well, Deer in headlights, actually I look forward to Newt spanking this little DUMB CHICAGO THUG, for all to see, nationally.

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      Except the crashing house prices the elimination of the jobs and the bail out of the banks occured under the same old republicans you think are going to fix it. Stupid is taking the same actions time and time again yet expecting a different result. Thats what voting for traditional Democrats or Republicans is stupid

      I am am a liberal libertaian and I will vote for Ron Paul if I can. Do I agree with everything he says? No! Do I believe him to be a honest principled Man? Yes uniquely so in those seeking office. Do I think he will realistically be able to engineer significant change? No, not really. I do, however, feel he begin the process of fundementally changing the way that Americans look at possible political solutions to the present and future problems that America faces. Thats whats needed.
      Choosing any of the other conservatives in the race is like selecting the fittest horse in the glue factory
      I’d rather have Obama than any of the others at least he can make a speech without Looking like he’s lying.

      • APN

        ………only if he has a teleprompter!

  • cawmun cents

    Look….its about time we see the rap for what it is.
    Santorum is probably a good guy,but he lacks the ability to draw in the finances for a strong campaign.
    Fox News has him labled as the anti-Romney candidate.But in effect,his numbers have only hurt Dr.Paul.You see dear children,the hoax out there is believeing that this man is going to make it all the way.They call his backing the evangelical voters.What a crock!
    He is still there,solely to take numbers away from Ron Paul.
    Notice that Romneys numbers remain the same,no matter the outcome for the rest?
    The worlders are banking on that fact.They are intending to run Romney no matter what the outcome is.They ony need to convince us that no one elses numbers are sufficient to make the grade.
    Fox News is run by the worlders,in case you havent figured that one out yet.
    Santorum merely takes numbers from Dr.Paul,and you are left with Romney as the steady candidate.Cant you see that?
    That is the only reason Santorum is still in the race.He doesnt have the finances to go all the way,so he is a block for the worlders to keep down Dr.Paul’s numbers.Havent you noticed how the game is being played yet?Coffee up and wipe the sleep from your eyes.
    -CC.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear cawmun cents,

      Well said.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • cawmun cents

        It’s high time that someone spoke up about the social engineering being done here in America.
        Thank you very much Bob for giving me a voice to speak with.
        Couldnt do it without you.
        High Regards,-CC.

    • John Glock

      Correct – to a point – Romney has his SMALL base that does not change, while the “Anybody that’s not Romney” group is dividing up the MAJORITY of the votes, making them all look like “also-rans”. Once this group gets winnowed down, the last one standing can take Mitt out before Obama does it in the election.
      Ron Paul is like every other “Outsider” candidate, left (Nader) or right (Perot); in the end they cannot win a national election and they just muck it up for everyone else.
      If Santorum is “taking votes from Dr. Paul” that should tell you something about Paul, shouldn’t it?
      Paulies amaze me with their overlooking of every defect in him while screaming about any defect in the other candidates. A Ron Paul nomination is a defeat for the Nation.

      • Bob in Boston

        If what you’re saying is true, then why does Ron Paul do better then Romney (7pts) and Gingrich (10pts) in a head-to-head matchup against Obama? If what you’re saying is true, then why did Dr. Paul get 8x more independent votes than Romney in Iowa?
        Sorry but you’re completely wrong – Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who can beat Obama, because he will pull the exact same voters that Obama won with last time. No other Republican candidate will get those voters. If we nominate a neocon, you can look forward to 4 more years of Obama, and it’ll be the fault of everyone who said Ron Paul was unelectable.

        • Brian

          Exactly! Either the GOP nominate Paul or I will do as I have always done and vote for the Libertarian. If its anyone else we wont even have a lesser of two evils choice as the rest are as evil as Obama.

      • Karolyn

        I don’t think the young voters for Paul can be discounted. There are many who voted for Obama who are backing Pual, as well as dems like me who voted for Obama who are backing Paul. Those voters will more than likely not vote for Rommney or Gingrich and never vote for Santorum.

        • Doug

          Wow Karolyn that one the most inteligents things you have posted! I am not trying to be mean but it does tell me that some people in this country are finally paying attention to elections and what these swamp critters have been doing thumbs up my dear!

        • APN

          The choice will come down to Newt or Obama. Based upon my conversations with NUMEROUS young people, Obama is not a choice period. So, when you say “young People” just what category of young people do you speak? The lazy dope smoking juvenile crowd or young folks who love their country and want opportunity and economic freedom?

          • Karolyn

            No, I’m talking about the young people who voted for Obama and are campaigning for Paul. The lazy dope-smokers are not likely to vote at all!

    • Mark in LA

      Santorum is doing the job assigned to Huckleberry Hound in 2008 – bleed off any of the religious right that might go for Paul to help kill any chances he has. Santorum cannot beat anybody and the Republican establishment won’t allow him to beat Romney. However, if he wants to make money with the “conservative” media and think tanks he will do what needs to be done to derail Ron Paul. Notice the hound is much happier with his TV gigs than running again.

      • APN

        Mark….Anybody ever point out to you that you talk in circles.

        You sound like a liberal-progressive that wants Romney as our next President. I’m a Christian and do not support RS or Romney. How do you explain that?

        In fact, until it is my time to vote, I will continue to follow all candidates and weigh their thoughts on the ISSUES. We vet out candidates! Besides, if you are speaking of RP, well, he is not a conservative, he is however a libertarian, BIG DIFFERENCE!

  • Karl

    Rick Santorum is still better than either Mitt or Newt. If either Mitt or Newt win the nomination then BHO has a very good chance for re-election. He (Rick Santorum) is also more electable than Ron Paul against BHO.

    • Mushin

      More ELECTABLE than Ron Paul? did you read the article above?! (offensive word removed) no wonder your superiors in Washington call you and others like you “sheep”! (You voted Obama in, didn’t you?!)

    • Karolyn

      See my post above.

    • Justwhistlingdixie

      Some of the comments on here and other sites is proof positive that some type of aptitude test or reality check should be required before being allowed to vote. I have grave doubts whether or not a lot of the people commenting actually understands or knows the difference between conservatism, Libertarianism,Fusionist, R.I.N.O., republican, democrat , socialist, Marxist, progressive, liberal, Neo-Con, Constitutionalist, Federalist or Confederation. I believe lots of people just latch on to some label even though they don’t really know exactly what the label truly means as to it’s political ideology.

      Probabaly the most abused label of all is Conservative, as most of them do not truly believe in less government and more independent liberty and freedom, but just the opposite. That helps explain their otherwise incomprehensible attraction to those candidates who are big government types while still claiming to be conservative. To call Santorum a conservative is ridiculous.

    • Doug

      Santorum is a child! He should have never held any polictical office look at his voting record. His is as unprepared to be the president of the USA as Obozo is probably the only difference is that he will not bring in a bunch of fring radicals and communist into his cabinet! You can say what you want but his voting record says it all. A vote for Obama Care? Please One question when did the people of USA start allowing Communist to hold office and think that communism is a good thing! I can’t believe that people can be so out of touch with reality!

  • Larry

    So Newt has some baggage. So do the rest of us. Now let’s get past all that and get the most intelligent, creative, and aggressive conservative we have. That’s Newt! Newt not only knows how government works, he knows how to put government to work. He ain’t poifect, but he’s more poifecter than ObamaKahn. And he can kick his a** in debates. Newt has balls!

    • Robert Smith

      Larry says: “That’s Newt! Newt not only knows how government works, he knows how to put government to work.”

      Yes… Does anyone else remember his contract on America?

      Oh… And for every kid that gets “hired” to clean up a school an ADULT will be out looking for a job. Does anyone really think that getting kids to clean schools will solve any problems? The FACT is that other kids will trash schools even more because they aren’t being paid. Kids are a spiteful little bunch of terror when circumstances permit.

      Rob

      • Karolyn

        That’s a rather strange view, Robert.

      • APN

        ….only when kids don’t have adults raising them. Well heck, that might just be the problem in America, you think! People ever wonder why GOD made parents bigger than their kids? So you can CONTROL them when they misbehave!

    • Brian

      Newt is a dyed in the wool PROGRESSIVE.

      • APN

        BALONY!

  • Kelly Jerome

    Rick Santorum is not of the establishment and is not a progressive. He unfortunately got caught up in the old school progressive politics of the Bush and Clinton years. He attempted to do what so many other new conservative Republicans do, compromise. He found out that compromise only allows the progressives to further their agenda and doesn’t defend “We the people” from the progressives attacks on American’s freedoms.

  • Bob in Boston

    I agree that Santorum is no conservative – standing up in front of the camera and talking about how “Christian” you are doesn’t make you a conservative. Ranting about how you need to bomb everyone is certainly not conservative either.

    But honestly I think the “surge of Santorum” (roflol) is more an issue the grassroots republicans have been going through the list of “not Romney” candidates one at a time, promoting them to “temporary front-runner” status, then realizing how awful they are, and moving on.

    Santorum just happened into good timing because his turn (last one to pop) was right before Iowa, but he’ll go down just like everyone else. If Tim Pawlenty had stayed in the race, we’d be looking at him as the front-runner now.

    And Romney is stuck at 25%, and won’t go any higher because let’s face it – only the diehard establishment GOP supporters who believe in the whole “it’s his turn now” approach to picking a candidate support him semi-enthusiastically.

    The only candidate with a slowly increasing level of support the entire race is Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate who brought new voters to the caucus in Iowa, and he got more self-identified evangelicals than Santorum, and 8x more independents than Romney.

    So why isn’t Ron Paul leading the polls? My theory is that the media and GOP establishment have said “Ron Paul is unelectable” so many times that people’s instinct to back a winner has got them hesitating to back Dr. Paul until they see how he does, and that’s why we have so many “undecided” voters. Because the reality is once you actually understand Dr. Paul’s platform (as opposed to what the media *says* his platform is) it conforms with the feelings of the majority of voters. People don’t really want to send our troops over to get killed over oil, so once the whole “Iran is getting a nuke” propaganda loses it’s scariness, the foreign policy issue will go away for Ron Paul. I think the number of people with their fingers in their ears repeating “they hate us for our freedom!” is decreasing on a daily basis too. So it’s just a matter of time – Ron Paul will continue to rise, especially once Santorum and Perry drop out and people realize that Ron Paul was the true conservative the whole time. Gingrich will drop out after a poor showing in NH, because he won’t be able to raise any money. And with each person who drops out, some small number of supporters will go to Romney because they keep saying “he’s the one”, but more people will actually look at Ron Paul and research his positions and realize he’s by far the better candidate. So his slow and steady increase will continue until eventually it’s just Paul and Romney. It may go right down to the convention, but I think Ron Paul is going to pull it out!

    • John Glock

      “And with each person who drops out, some small number of supporters will go to Romney because they keep saying “he’s the one”, but more people will actually look at Ron Paul and research his positions and realize he’s by far the better candidate.”
      NO they won’t – they will be scared spitless by the Obama machine’s depiction of Paul handing the world over to our enemies with his foreign policy/defense position.

      Obama already pre-empted Paul, yesterday, with his GIGANTIOUS defense spending overhaul plan – now anything Paul could offer would be seen as “surrender.”
      Watch O’s Machine, they are taking out every potential candidate with their pre-emptive strikes – oops, shouldn’t say anything so “military” to a Paulie, should I!

      Santorum ain’t pretty, but when you’re hunting for your starving family, you don’t look for the Boone and Crockett Buck, any healthy doe will do; and Ron Paul (baggy suit and oversized shirt collar) is a diseased buck if you get him up on stage with Barack (perfect crease in his trousers) Obama. Paul will look like a pathetic loonie up there to the majority of Americans. Wait around for Rand Paul – he’ll have far more voter appeal.

      • Bob in Boston

        I disagree – I think in a debate with Obama, Ron Paul would clean his clock. Why? Because Ron Paul doesn’t “formulate” answers during debates, he follows principles and the constitution. And people (especially young people, independents, and disenchanted democrats) believe him. The fact that he stutters sometimes and isn’t as polished actually makes him much more believable.

        As for democrats and independents, many of them fell for Obama’s rhetoric in 2008, even though he had no history of doing anything when he got elected. But Ron Paul is saying something similar and he has a 30 year voting record that is without reproach proving that he’ll actually do what he says. Everyone who voted for Obama in 2008 and is regretting it now will be voting for Ron Paul this year. None of them will vote for someone like Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich.

        I like your hunting references though. I really wish I had taken the shot I had on several does because waiting for a 150+ class buck got me an empty freezer this year. ;-)

        • PATRIOT 101

          Iowa is a great state! We get to have a huge impact on who gets to be president and we get to fill the freezer with deer until Jan. 20th (or something around there).

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Appears to me to be another year of pick between the least of two evils.
    Sad state of affairs for the USA that we can’t get better candidates from both parties to seek the highest office.

    2008 was a water shed year where so many people out of frustration tried an untested and unprepared guy with no real work experience, a slick style and silver tongue in the the most stressful and powerful job in the world. Well that was a bust!

    If these Repubs are all we have…if a better candidate does not make a surprise entry, then Ron Paul appears to be the best choice, as long as he picks a good VP. With a good staff and advisers, I think we could get comfortable with his foreign policy views.

    At this point, any body but Obummer has to be an improvement!

    • Alex Frazier

      I’m already comfortable with his foreign policy views. People who aren’t are not properly educated. They think they are, but they don’t understand the full ramifications of military action, whether financially, as it relates to blow-back, global sentiment towards the United States, the massive inflation it creates, the lives it costs, etc. War is bad. Seeking war before diplomacy is foolish. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to do some reading.

      The GOP doesn’t need to get anything straight. We have the best possible candidate running. Ron Paul. He is a strict constitutionalist, and is, without question, one of the only elected officials in Washington who isn’t an oath breaking perjurer.

    • Robert Smith

      Power says: “Sad state of affairs for the USA that we can’t get better candidates from both parties to seek the highest office.”

      Yup, a ticket on the “Swift Boat Express” isn’t the best way to select our leaders.

      Too bad we can get candidates to run on issues rather than who can smear the other one the most.

      Rob

      • cawmun cents

        But then lets face it….Obama never could have gotten elected.
        He never did anything to be able to debate over.
        Other than Obamacare,I am not quite sure that he has anything to debate over right now…..and he loses that debate to the folks with half a mind.
        I really would like to see a true statesman in the White House.
        Unfortunately for me,I dont see one on the horizon,so I must say that after having approached the situation from every conceiveable angle, IMHO,Dr.Paul is the closest candidate to being a true statesman.
        The current POTUS in no way,shape or form,relates to any kind of a statesman.Therefore I am fully supporting Dr.Paul as my candidate for President of these Untited States.
        -CC.

  • Dr John Galt

    While each American citizen is entitled to his/her liberal/conservative/socialist/communist/religious/atheistic/agnostic or other beliefs, what we should be looking for in the politicians we allow to serve in elected office is their understanding and adherence to the U.S. Constitution, which is meant to be a constraint upon them,limiting their powers to only what the people have given their consent. Most every election is won by achieving a simple majority of those who have voted, and that in no way provides a mandate for governing outside the bounds of the Constitution. Sadly we have seen the courts filled with justices who also exercise their own political agendas in reinterpreting the Constitution rather than allow changes to occur as originally intended via the amendment process which requires the consent of the governed by ratification of 3/4 of the States. There’s but one candidate who might begin to return government to the people, and I think his name should be obvious to all.

    • Robert Smith

      From Dr John Galt: “There’s but one candidate who might begin to return government to the people, and I think his name should be obvious to all.”

      Finally someone else who recognizes that Obama is the obvious choice.

      Rob

      • libertytrain

        sorry rob – nice try but that fella has the job and has only proven he’s not capable -

    • Buddy

      Very well said, Dr. Galt

  • Ted Crawford

    Mr. Livingston you, an indeed most other supporters of Dr. Paul, have a serious handicap! It’s not in the fact that you support Dr. Paul, if you truly believe in his platform that’s just what you should be doing. I even applaud your passion, even if it is eerily reminisant of the followers of Obama in 2008, the problem is in target identifcation. The opposition is currently occuping the White House, pun intended!
    On all the blogs, and in nearly every case, when Dr. Pauls platform is critized a supporter will flash an insulting, namecalling attempt to intimidate and belittle The other blogger!

    If Dr. Pauls platform is as wise, wonderful and problem solving as you guys suggest, why the need to destroy any other candidate, especially those from your own proported party?
    The very viciousness and senselessness of these constant attacks, has caused some of my friends, still uncommitted ones, to disregard Dr. Pauls message, much of which I agree wholehearted with! Winston Churchill may have said it best “However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results”.

    • Mushin

      You’d like a rational answer for NOT supporting this scumbag?! did you read the list of reason’s above?! If THOSE aren’t enough, you just need to get one thing – he’s a RINO, a liar, and another elite ass-puppet.

      • Ted Crawford

        That’s not even close to what I said! What I want to understand is why we can’t “disagree without being disagreeable”

    • Alex Frazier

      Ted, to address your concern, let me say first of all that on this forum in particular, the name calling usually comes from those who oppose Paul, not those who support him. If we are ready to come to Paul’s defense, no matter the negative comment made about him, it is because we do believe in his cause.

      If someone feels belittled by solid information, there’s not much that can be done about that. If someone says, “his foreign policy is dangerous,” there isn’t much choice but to explain why they are mistaken. When you essentially tell someone that they are wrong, regardless of your motives, it is never received well. And most of what is said negatively about Ron Paul is false information to begin with. The only issue that has any teeth is the foreign policy issue. All the rest fades quickly with a simple explanation. The foreign policy issue requires a little more discussion, because most do not have a comprehensive view of war and the consequences of war.

      Why do we “attack” the alternate candidates?

      Myself, I weed out the alternates because I despise any candidate who is a liar, oathbreaker, panderer, or fraud.
      I heard that Gingrich served his wife with divorce papers while she was in the hospital with cancer so he could marry his mistress. I simply can’t vote for a man with those sort of moral credentials. There are also many other issues, not the least of which that he voted for the Patriot Act, stripping me of my fourth amendment rights.
      Romney was first pro-choice, then pro-life, for the second amendment, but for the assault weapons ban and other gun control laws. Romney believes that protectionism is destructive to American productivy, but he supports tariffs on Chinese goods. The fact is, he’s a panderer. He has given me no evidence whatsoever to know what his own real and personal convictions are. I suspect that if the general opinion of the GOP was that everyone should have access to powdered ox penis, he would promise to set up ox penis plants up and down the coast, “on day one in office.” So I just can’t believe anything he has to say.
      Cain is no longer an issue, but his 999 plan would have raised my taxes to 42% with my present state taxes included.
      Santorum and Bachman also both voted for the Patriot Act, so they are both betrayers of the public trust, oathbreakers, and perjurers. They should be impeached and imprisoned for the felonious act of perjury by not keeping their oath to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution.
      Perry has done a few questionable things, but I’m not all out against him. Should he end up a contestant as things progress, he’s not out of the question as a second choice.
      Huntsman … I don’t have much to say about him. Since I don’t consider him a likely candidate at this time, I haven’t done much research into him.

      So there are reasons to not like the other candidates. I have no loyalty to any party. I have loyalty to the United States. And if the citizens of this country don’t pick apart their candidates and insist on only the best, most moral, most ethical, the wisest, etc., then we end up with someone like Obama.

      People lined up to vote for the man without even knowing what his platform was. It was blind support. And I will refrain from mentioning the reason I believe he got that support.

      • Bob in Boston

        One thing you said is very important I think, and I feel the same way. I honestly could care less about “party”, I am loyal to the country. If you look at the definition of what the Republican Party is supposed to support, then it’s what I believe in. (and not coincidentally it very closely matches the platform of Ron Paul) But I absolutely will not support a candidate who supports the neo-conservative platform that the Republican party has taken on.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Ted Crawford,

      Sorry, but you are trapped in a false left/right paradigm. The opposition is not just occupying the White House. It infests the Federal government at all levels and makes up the majority of both parties.

      I am not responsible for the actions of others.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Ted Crawford

        I’m unsure of which paradigm you prefer. I can assume something like Constitutionist V noneConstutionalist. By reading the document along with the personal correspondance between many of the Founders and contemporary publications of the time, I’m made aware that there were differences even between them as to it’s exact meanings.
        It seems very presumptuous of any one of us today to assume that we alone have the only complete understanding of it.
        I, therefore refuse to allow the perfact to become the enemy of the good. I call it Progressive V Conservative!

    • Mark in LA

      Well ted it does happen but a lot of come from knowing that the other side is constantly pushing out the same lies over and over again even after they have been refuted with fact and logic. Take the “isolationist” canard or the “wants Iran to get a bomb” the same “people” will post this lie day after day, week after week. They never say anything with any facts or any argument about why we should listen to them. No they just repeat the big lie over and over again hoping that it will sink into the brains of uninformed gullible people.

  • George Somsel

    At least he isn’t a liberal like Ron Paul.

    • Alex Frazier

      Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Ron Paul isn’t a liberal. Do some research and get back to us when you’ve learned some facts.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Alex… What’s this?: “Do some research and get back to us when you’ve learned some facts.”

        Ron Paul and Barny Frank cospoonsored pro pot legislation together.

        Either Ron Paul went liberal, or Barny Frank went conservative.

        Which is it?

        BTW, I consider decriminalizing pot to be conservative. What business is it of our government what folks do for recreation?

        Barny Frank is a conservative!

        Rob

        • Bob in Boston

          I personally think we shouldn’t try so hard to label everything. It’s like we’re walking around with one of those supermarket price guns, labeling everything in sight, but doing that doesn’t really add any value to the discussion. An idea is either right or it’s wrong – whether you call it conservative or liberal is irrelevant. And to tell if something is “right” or “wrong”, the first litmus test is to see what the constitution says about it. If the answer is “nothing”, then it’s wrong and the Federal government shouldn’t do it.

          • Alex Frazier

            Amen to that.

  • Norm

    In a choice between Santorum and Romney – Obama wins.
    It’s truly amazing how screwed up the Republican party has become.
    The choices are (were) pinheaded idiots like Perry and Bachman to extremists like Paul, to corrupt has-beens like Santorum and Gingrich, to a flip-flopping egomaniac Romney. The quantity is large but the quality is pathetic.

    • Alex Frazier

      You know Norm, if you put Ron Paul in a room with Washington, Jefferson, and Madison, he’d fit right in. They wouldn’t consider him an extremist. They wouldn’t call his foreign policy dangerous. They wouldn’t think that he was a nut job. He might have some bitter discussions with Hamilton, as Jefferson did, over borrowing and central banking. But in terms of freedom, constitutionality, foreign policy, and the other aspects of Paul’s current platform, even Hamilton would have agreed with him whole-heartedly.

      I know you are just parroting the garbage you hear on TV, or that you’ve read on other forums, blogs, or in articles. But Ron Paul has the potential to be the best president since Washington or Jefferson. And I really wish people like you would stop spouting that ignorant nonsense.

      • Norm

        Alex:
        Ron Paul is an extremist who’s ideas are unpopular among both Democrats and Republicans. There’s ABSOLUTELY no way in hell that he could/would be elected or even nominated for president.
        I do support his antiwar views but I am amazed by his simpleminded logic.
        This isn’t 1776 – the world is a completely different place. We have seen astronomical changes in communications, transportation, medicine, and every other area imaginable. To use Jeffersonian ideas, verbatim, is nonsense. He (Jefferson) was always an advocate of changing the government to suit the times.

        • Bob in Boston

          Wait, you think that Ron Paul’s platform is unpopular with the public? Like what?

        • Alex Frazier

          Norm, Ron Paul’s ideas are not unpopular. The media just tells us he’s a nutjob, and so people decide they don’t like him. But if you ask individuals about Ron Paul’s policies in a non-Ron Paul format, with no obvious political agenda, you will find that virtually everyone in this country finds his views popular, barring only a few.

          Before Ron Paul started campaigning, I can’t tell you how many times I had conversations with people, from the most liberal to the most conservative, saying how pot should be legal. It’s no different than alcohol in effect. It would be taxable if it were legal. And the crime associated with fighting the illegal trafficking would be displaced. The labor and man hours necessary to fight it would be done away with, or put to more useful tasks.

          Ask anyone who actually pays taxes how they feel about the fact that they work, pay in taxes, while someone else sits at home and collects. My mother, who is an extreme liberal, gets angry, and says, “I shouldn’t write a check to the IRS. I should just go hand these other people the money. That’s all that’s happening anyway.”

          Ask anyone how they feel about the fact that government spending has gotten so excessive that our utilities and grocery costs have doubled in ten years.

          Ask anyone how they feel about the idea that the government, through the Patriot Act, can look at your bank account, or that they have to be informed of your banking activities, or that the government has given itself the authority to know the contents of your safety deposit box. Ask them how they feel about the idea that the government can seize the contents of that box and freeze your bank account in the event of a national emergency.

          Ask anyone with a son of the appropriate age how they feel about sending them off to police another country where they can get their legs blown off, or get killed, because we need to stick our nose in everyone’s business. See how they feel about it. I for one have four boys, all about the right age. If they want to fight for our country, great. But if the government wants them to police the middle east, I have no desire to bury my children for a war that has nothing to do with us, our defense or protection, or our direct interests.

          Ask anyone who believes in their rights how they feel about the government slowly but surely taking away our right to keep and bear arms, to be secure in our persons, possessions, homes, and papers, to be properly charged and have a speedy trial with the confrontation of witnesses, to retain the authority not given to the congress and prohibited to the states.

          Ask anyone how they feel about the idea that the USDA can fine someone $90+ with penalties for selling $500 worth of rabbits.

          Ask anyone how they feel about the idea that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service can raid the home of a 66-year old retiree with SWAT assisstance and imprison them over a paperwork error … because the man sold some unlicensed orchids.

          Don’t tell me Ron Paul’s idea are unpopular. Ron Paul is unpopular, because the media has made him so. But his ideas strike at the heart of the problem in the United States. The government is too big. It spends too much. It is too invasive. It starts too many wars. It is stripping too many rights. It has imposed too many regulations. It has completely run amuck.

          This is supposed to be a free country. Don’t tell me his ideas are unpopular. People just need to be educated on what his ideas are, and what they mean. Negativity from people like you doesn’t help that goal.

      • Dan

        I agree 100% Alex.

    • Walt-2

      Excellent and concise dilution of the candidates Norm. Now, with that said, which one is the least imperfect, considering the massive problems that our Republic is facing.

      After all it’s going to boil down to voting for one of these guys or watch the country quickly spiral down into a communist state with Obama.

      • Norm

        Walt-2:
        If I were a betting man, I’d say the race will be between Obama and Romney. It seems to me that they are cut from the same cloth, although Romney has been on both sides of more issues.
        It looks to me that Obama is the better of 2 evils.

        • Walt-2

          So you are fine with Obama’s goal to “fundamentally change” our country into a Marxist state?

          You would rather vote for a fellow that follows Saul Alinsky’s rules, surrounds himself with advisors who openly declare themselves communists and anarchists?

          Fool me once…shame on you. Fool me twice…shame on me.

          • Norm

            On many issues Obama is to the right of Romney. This communist BS is the product of guys like Hannity, Limbaugh and Faux news.
            Obama has been beat up from before he got elected until now. He is an American citizen, not a Muslim, and surly not a communist, although he is a progressive Democrat.
            Romney invented Obamacare. I belive in the concept but I think the details need work.
            The economy is beginning to show signs of life and think Obama’s policies helped.

        • APN

          Norm…..and just what is the difference between a progressive and a communist?

          Just curious?

          • John Lilleburns ghost

            Well in evolutionary terms the conservatives are the ones who stayed in the trees and the progressives got down and walked.

            So whats the difference between a conservative and a monkey?

            Answers on a postcard (once you have developed an opposable thumb)

          • APN

            So Mr. Ghost said: Well in evolutionary terms the conservatives are the ones who stayed in the trees and the progressives got down and walked.

            So whats the difference between a conservative and a monkey?

            Answers on a postcard (once you have developed an opposable thumb)

            OK, So once again your moron,

          • APN

            I guess that last entry was due to the lack of a thumb! LMAO!

            So once again you moron, what is the difference between a communist and a progressive? I mean BO has connections to known terrorists and jack booted communist thugs, so what is the difference?

            Once again, just curious?

          • Norm

            com·mu·nism (kmy-nzm)
            n.
            1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
            2. Communism
            a. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
            b. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.

            The Congressional Progressive Caucus has the progressive promise(their legislative agenda) which is rooted in their 4 core principals:
            1. Fighting for economic justice and security for all;
            2. Protecting and preserving our civil rights and civil liberties; and
            3. Promoting global peace and security.
            4. Environmental Protection & Energy Independence

          • APN

            Progressive platform…….i.e.; Facade……Cute little catchy word
            for a form of communism or marxism

            1. Fighting for economic justice and security for all;
            2. Protecting and preserving our civil rights and civil liberties; and
            3. Promoting global peace and security.
            4. Environmental Protection & Energy Independence

            Operative key words:
            1.) Economic Justice marxism through wealth redistribution

            2.) Civil rights and liberties Mutually exclusive to subjects of
            system i.e.; only benefits those in power

            3.) GLOBAL PEACE and SECURITY alias NWO/UN, etc etc etc
            Will negate our constitution completely.

            4.) EPA Violates our civil liberties on a daily basis so would be mutually exclusive to platform item#2. Specific function is designed to “Control the Peoples”, as the subjects they are, and, making our elected representatives in CONGRESS powerless. i.e.; WE THE PEOPLE are made powerless and are subjects to the RADICAL FOOLS in charge, at the end of a GUN, if necessary.

            Thank you for the confirmation. I already understood the definition of both progressivism and communism. i.e.; Same system, same results

  • AJ

    He’s a NWO patsey. Get rid of him and don’t be fooled by his NWO lying mouth.

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    If the RepubliRAT insiders pick Santorum, Romney, Newter or Perry I will write in Ron Paul he has a plan and the only one to write it down explaining how and what he is going to do. He has a few wild ideas but we should be agle to slow down or stop some of it but reducing 10% of the government work ( LOL) force and close 5 Bloated Government Agencies close the doors on the I.R.S. ( because of my stance against Congress and the Illegal Muslim Half Breed Communist President) I am being audited, I make $1600.00 a month on S.S. and VA disability and they want $9900.00 for the loss of three houses that they the Democommies produced this fiasco that ruined the Housing market and took my retirement away. Anyone else being harassede by the IRS??????????

  • Dr John Galt

    Words which most accurately describe the principles of Ron Paul would be constitutionalist, libertarian, and conservative, definitely NOT a liberal.

    • http://google Helen

      You are exactly right. Has anyone asked why the Liberal Democrats and the very young support Ron Paul? How on earth he ever managed to convince the Rublican Party he was one of us is beyond me. Ron Paul still talks like the Libertarian he is and will always be. I noticed that Mr. Paul has never, in his entire career in the Senate, put his vote behind any Republican. As one news person said, a vote for Ron Paul will ensure Obama’s second term. First, Ron Paul is too old.
      Second, he seems to have a memory problem (maybe Dementia?). When confronted about some of the articles he wrote he claimed he didn’t write them. I guess someone forged his name just like Obama’s forged BC? What about the comment Paul made several weeks ago, “Pfc. Manning is a hero for exposing our military secrets.” “America was to blame for 911.” He wants to lealized drugs? What about the thousands of newborn babies born every day in this country who suffer withdrawls from their mother’s drug addiction? Ask any nurse or doctor and they will tell you how these newborns suffer from withdrawals. How many mothers sell their food stamps for their drug habit? How many men and women have murdered there own children due to their drug habit? And Mr. Paul wants that? No, America needs someone who is younger and has the courage to stand up against tyranny and clean the scum bags out of Congress. Mr. Paul didn’t do anything while he was in the Senate, he certainly doesn’t have what it takes to run this nation. Ron Paul has a 60′s mentality that’s why the young, who know very little about the Constitution, will vote for him. The Liberals want him because he is still one of them.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Helen,

        You are victim of the corporate media and your assertions aren’t grounded in reality.
        1. Ron Paul is not and never has been in the Senate.
        2. Please site for me, verbatim, any racist remarks Paul has made or written.
        3. Manning may or may not be the source of the WikiLeaks documents. However, they uncovered illegal activity on the order of the My Lia massacre, in which a U.S. helicopter crew slaughtered innocent and unarmed Iraqis as if they were playing a video game… and laughing while they did; and other illegal activities by the government and members of the military. Manning, though not convicted, was held in solitary confinement for months before his trial even began.
        4. There is no evidence Ron Paul is suffering from dementia. His lone communication problem is he talks over people’s heads because most have no knowledge of the Constitution, the Federal Reserve or the history of our nation.
        5. He has never said he wants to legalize drugs.
        6. As an obstetrician who delivered hundreds of babies, Dr. Paul is well aware of the ramifications of drug use by pregnant mothers.
        7. Dr. Paul has more courage than any other politician because he states his positions without equivocation, regardless of how the audience feels or how it affects his standing the polls.
        8. Ron Paul has never voted for a tax increase nor any bill that violates the Constitution and does not “toe the Party line” regardless of the pressure that has been exerted on him to do so.
        9. The young, who understand liberty—which you obviously do not—are flocking to him and his message and that is the most encouraging thing about his candidacy to date.
        10. The “liberals” want him because of his opposition to unConstitutional war.
        11. Go here to learn the truth about Dr. Paul’s stand on the issues: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Alex Frazier

        “You forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful …”

        Why don’t you accuse him of wanting to dump mercury into the water while you’re at it. After all, he wants to do away with the EPA. Lord knows that anything he proposes is done with the worst possible intentions and the expectation of disaster. No chance whatsoever that people will take responsibility for themselves.

        Try doing a little research on when and how most of our drugs got banned in the first place. You might find it interesting when you learn that the problems with drugs didn’t actually manifest themselves until they became illegal.

        It’s also worth noting that, as you say, there are crack babies and such even now. So what’s the point in the war on drugs? It hasn’t stopped a darn thing.

        Don’t be naive. If you don’t like Paul, just say, “I don’t care for his particular policies,” but don’t demonize him like he’s a left wing freak when he’s not.

  • Brogan

    ROMNEY!!!!! 2012

  • messup

    No matter how this election all shakes out it will symbolize enslavement. Yes, enslavement. With Mr. Obama legislating from the White House and a Judicial branch complicit with and enacting, enforcing both Administration edicts and creating “new Law,” only one conslusion can come of this New Union, We The People’s United States is no longer a nation “endowed by our Creator.” nor one under the “Rule of Law.”

    We The People are now “subjects.” We The elite People of culture of corru[tion Washington DC are the new “Uber” Klass.

    Ultimately, no matter who is eleted in 2012, The United States of America will perish, sink just like the Titanic…the experiment will have ended, just like the Fall of the Roman Empire. A worthwhile read.

    Unless, of course, if the States decide to seceed. Then just like the life boats of the sinking Titanic…will save themslevs and the rest, go down with the ship.

    No way out! The USA has hit a brick wall. Period. Or Accept a culture of corruption , repression subjugation and endless years of bearing the weight of a non-responsive culture of corruption of We The Elite People of Washington DC. Amen.

  • An American Patriot

    It can all become very discouraging if we allow it to get us so confused that we leave the door wide open for that dirty Marxist occupying our White House.
    I would love to see Sarah Palin jump in but real soon. I believe she is the genuine article and she is a proven conservative. She will destroy her credibility if she delays too long. It will appear she waited till the rest of the field self destructed before she had the courage to enter the fray.
    We do need to keep in mind that Obama is shredding our constitution just like Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela. After his re-election, he effectively became dictator for life. Hopefully, his cancer will give the good people of Venezuela a good chance to return to democracy.
    I fervently wish the republican field was much more conservative, but we need to face reality. It is what it is though any of those currently running is a million times better than Obama and they are much stronger supporters of our constitution.
    Here’s an idea…Why don’t we try to discuss the strong points each of the current field has instead of shredding them all to bits. We are just helping Obama and he is probably rubbing his evil hands in glee.
    America is in deep trouble and we desperately need to unite and build up a candidate instead of tearing them all down.
    We have to save this country for our children. Dictators arise because the people are too timid to stand up to them. While we wait for the perfect hero to save us, it could very well be too late.
    So people, please think. This is the most important election of the country’s short history. I don’t think we’ll have another chance if Obama wins again!

    • Larry

      I agree that Sarah is tougher then all of them put together. For people who believe she is hated by so many, consider this: How could ANYONE be more hated than His Highness ObamaFriendOfIslam? And also consider that IMO most of the folks who hate her are liberals who actually fear her. In addition, the libs have been attacking her for years, and what have they found??? Zip, nada, nothing. She is a remarkable human being. And she would eat Obummer for lunch in a debate. Picture it. Wouldn’t it be cool if she chose Michele Bachmann (sp?) as her running mate? What fun!

      • John Lilleburns ghost

        She can’t even bring up a child properly! Bad enough a daughter gets pregnant at 17. Horrific that she would then get “pimped out” to crap, brain dead reality TV shows.
        As for debate, you really think a woman who has to write Tax cuts on her hand would defeat Obama in a debate? She would have two hopes of winning! Bob Hope! and no hope! Bob Hopes been dead awhile now. One of the things that characterize the stupiity of social conservatives god botherers is that you continually underestimate your enemy.

    • Walt-2

      Well said American Patriot. Let’s focus on the real danger to our Republic. Freedom itself is at stake here. All this bickering about who has more baggage, who is a RINO, who is the real conservative.

      All nonsense. The real issue is defeating the growing tyrrany within.

    • PATRIOT 101

      This campaign is going to get rougher yet! Ron Paul is in 2nd place in NH and is going up in numbers. Santorum may rise and get clsoe to Paul, but very quickly, Santorum is going to have his liberal record come out (expsoed) and he will be the next to fall on his face!
      Ron Paul is the “NOT-Romney”! In a one to one, Ron Paul would kick butt on Romney. He also beats Obama as he brings a lot of democrats and Independents to the Republican Party! If Ron Paul doesn’t beat Obama as a Republican, It will be because

    • Brogan

      I like Palin but she says a lot of dumb things, which people people will target

      • APN

        I agree, Palin is a GREAT person with great ideas who loves America. She just has difficulties communicating and that was her primary demise as a Presidential candidate.

  • richard

    Quit the in-fighting people. We all know that a potted plant would be better in the white house than Obama. Obama is sinister and out to destroy America. History only will show why he is doing this because the media just doesn’t want to know.
    As far as the GOP is concerned we obviously need a candidate that can wipe the floor with Obama on his record and can debate Obama under the table. Taking the white house is the only thing that matters. Don’t spend wasted energy degrading every GOP candidate that comes forward. Isn’t that the job of the Democrats. Lets talk about the attributes of the proponents.
    Just to be clear about my position……..I am a Canadian, living in Canada, watching the destruction of the greatest country in the world….that is the USA.
    thanks for listening.

    • Walt-2

      I agree with your assessment with one exception. The media DOES KNOW.

      They are in collusion with the far left, because the folks who run the majority of the newspapers, magazines and TV networks are all far left. Just look at the ownerships.

  • Paul

    Who is RICK SANTORUM really????

    What does he and who does he stand for?

    Why in the world are the Republician Party creating all of the confusion amoung the contenders???

    Everyone in the USA know about Mitt Romney & Newt Gingrich why in the world would the party continue letting everyone else join in the race when the should focus on these two individuals.

    Let them provide the public with their prespective plans to manage this country back to where it was once before Strong & Respected by other countries.

    So I say bounce Rick Santorum right out of this selection and lets truly hear what the other two will do for everyone..

    • PATRIOT 101

      Paul,
      What’s the matter? Can’t keep up with 3 candidates? I would seriously suggest if you want Santorum “bounced” so you can decide between two, you just stay home!
      I doubt you could name one thing that Romney and Gingrich have in common. Now for a much harder question why are they any different?
      Steal a Quarter and buy a clue! Ron Paul is the only alterntive to Obama, Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum!

      • APN

        …if you would take the time to get your head out of RP’s arse, then maybe you could go to Newt’s website and see what HE plans to do.

        His plan makes perfect sense to me. In fact, he has the most aggressive plan on the market to date! He also has the BALLS and the communication/leadership skills to implement it! RP has neither!

  • An American Patriot

    Thank you, Richard from Canada. You are a voice of sanity watching us from across the northern border.
    I think you probably have fears for America’s future even though it doesn’t yet affect you directly. That’s probably because you know that if America goes, Canada will follow shortly then so will the rest of the world.
    That’s why I say this is the most important election ever!
    God bless you.

  • James

    Thanks Bob Livingston! I didn’t know much about Santorum either, but he was coming across as a younger, better looking, more vibrant version of Ron Paul. He was defeated in the 2006 mid-term election and I wondered why, now I know. Thanks again.

  • Steve Edwards

    I don’t believe this country has the intelligence nor capability to elect someone with REAL Constitutional values. We are Doomed.

    • Alex Frazier

      Steve, I hate to have to agree with you.

      “People, let’s be free!”

      “Boooo, hisssss. Get off the stage you crazy nutbag!”

    • James

      Steve, You’re probably right. The problem is, candidates say what voters want to hear, then when elected revert back to their true nature, or obligations to whoever. A better way to judge candidates is by their facial expressions. If one smiles continually, moves quickly and almost constantly, and agrees with every voter’s point of view, like Romney, then don’t vote for him. If a candidate has a concerned look on his face, speaks slowly and clearly about the mess we’re in, and doesn’t seem to be especially anxious to be in the Oval Office, like Ron Paul, then vote for him.

  • R Hill

    I wish you guys would just let the rest of us know who you consider the real conservative is? Everytime a new leader rises to the top, you guys sit around and bash them to death. Well, why not just make is easy for the rest of us and tell us who the real conservative is and WHY? This is getting so darn old . . . .

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear R Hill,

      I have stated it many times. The answer is Ron Paul.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      P.S. Ron Paul

      • Walt-2

        Bob, the man asked who the real conservative is ….not who the real Libertarian is.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Walt-2,

          I answered the question.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • James

          Walt, No one is perfect, but Ron Paul is the closest to it. Libertarians may endorse a few things we wouldn’t agree with, but as far as the really important things, ending our warmongering, defunding Obamacare, keeping taxes low and government smaller, he’s our man.

          • Alex Frazier

            What things do libertarians endorse that you would disagree with?

          • James

            Alex, They strive for a free, peaceful, abundant world; their goal is to bring lierty to the world; the only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force…like murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping and fraud; they oppose any form of taxation and favor a laissez-faire economic system.
            While these beliefs aren’t particularly offensive, they have no allegance to any particular country.

          • Alex Frazier

            Well, I can’t be upset with you for choosing to disagree with valid points. That is exactly what libertarians are for, barring the laissez-faire, which is actually a misrepresentation of what we believe.

            Now, you realize, I hope, that the constitution was based upon the very same thing that libertarianism is based on, yes?

          • James

            Alex, Yes, I believe the world visions of Libertarianism, in this world, are pipe dreams and don’t stand a chance of being fulfilled. I would vote for Ron Paul in a minute. He promised to secure our national borders immediately after being sworn in, that doesn’t sound very one-worldy to me. Libertarians may see the United States as a base for their worldly aspirations, but they have to secure it first or cease to exist.

          • Alex Frazier

            They are pipe dreams insomuch as to say that the powers that be, regardless of the country or time period, forever seek to rule their people. There has to be a revolution every so often to maintain the dream of freedom. But the revolution gives birth to a freedom governed by elites who always believe themselves to be above the average man. And it’s a matter of mere generations before the problems that started the revolution come back around to provoke the next one.

            To say that they don’t stand a chance of being fulfilled is not correct, though. They can be fulfilled. They have been before. The question is, how long can we hold on to the dream once it has been obtained? In this current experiment, full freedom lasted less than a hundred years. It was gone by Lincoln.

            Maybe next time we’ll be a little more specific with the wording of our constitution so there isn’t any wiggle room for the politicians to get around.

  • The Ducky

    The “Tea Party” is a mindset. They (we) have chosen to remain silent and let the media, “big government apologists”, “one worlders” and “mulit-corp” authoritarians stew in their own lies and attempts to dictate the outcome of our reaction to what they have done to this country so far … but only for a little while … … that is until the next election at which time you will then see a reaction to the garbage that the last 6 presidential terms of “One World Globalists” stooges have vomited up on us … the reaction will be of historic proportions. There is only one candidate that has never wavered in his battle against the authoritarians in Washington DC and has stood up for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the sovereignty of the U.S citizen. … would you like me to spell it out for you in large print? .. R O N P A U L !!!

  • http://none ED

    Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum.Mitt Romney, and Obama,they are,all means for the END of AMERICA, they have lied and cheated americans, by there corrupt ways same as ,Carl Rove,G,W Bush, D,Cheney,What we need now,is a person for the people, and with the peoples well being, in hand that is ,RON PAUL the most truthfull presidential canidate campaining after 25 years of deceit, its time for Honesty in the White House NOT ANOTHER LIAR.

  • Dawg

    Now that Santorum has been exposed on here for what he is, It doesn’t really leave anyone that will return us to constitutional government except for Ron Paul. I have to admit that he wasn’t even on my radar out of the big pack of GOP candidates, but now that it has thinned out, he is my guy. I wish there were a candidate that would slash government spending and bloat, and yet be a little more realistic to the threat our enemies abroad pose. This world isn’t a friendly place and Paul needs to wake up to that and be ready to defend us and our interests. I am not looking to be the “world police,” but we absolutely must defend our interests like water ways, etc. My 2 cents.

    • Walt-2

      You said: This world isn’t a friendly place and Paul needs to wake up to that and be ready to defend us and our interests.

      Precisely! That danger to America is now within our gates and I have heard nobody state that danger except Glenn Beck.

      Neither Paul, Santorum, Gingrich or Romney have specifically spelled
      out that the real danger to our Republic is the Marxist ideology of
      Obama and his followers. It’s all about jobs, end the Fed, bring home the troops, social issue about abortion, gay marriage, limit government, etc.

  • Lisa S

    What is one person perfect candidate, may not be another. There is no perfect candidate, we just have to make a choice with what we have and these choices is still better the than the alternative (obama)

  • PATRIOT 101

    The Big Government parties are ruining our Nation. Ron Paul has infiltrated the Republican Party to peacefully turn this nation back to Limited Government. The Demon O Crat Party is totally gone (to outright communism) and the leaders are even bold about it. WE can’t “stand still” where we are! We must roll back big government or BIG GOVERNMENT WILL ROLL US ALL!
    Only one candidate will return us toward constitutionally LIMITED government, RON PAUL.

  • Larry Castle

    I read these posts over and over and they are always the same. For me and a great number of true Americans I believe that with both parties being the same, putting a D or R after a name means nothing how many republicans have switched to Democrats after they were elected. In my opinion we have no Republican running in this race, that has shown that they will stand against all odds and parties and restore the constitution as it was written not how they want it interpreted. I say we need a independent president, now I did not say a libertarian, I mean a true independent that will take on both parties and put them in their place (hole in the ground would be nice) these candidates if you want to call them that are nothing but self serving politicians. What we need is a person that is so committed to the cause of protecting the constitution and the bill of rights that they would be willing to die for it, then we have a candidate for president that I can vote for as it stands right now, we have trash from Democrats we have trash from republicans and we have trash libertarian. when are we the people of the united states going to demand that a true person of substance becomes president. anyone that has been in the cesspool called washington d.c. has already become tainted and is unreliable to do the job they were sent there to do. Which one of you that go on and on about this candidate or that will stand up and live by these principals I have stated and run for President of the Republic of United States? Do it with a true heart and mind and you have my vote all the way.

  • Bruiser

    Rick Santorum is more social conservative than fiscal conservative. A conservative who is fiscal-only is a Nazi, so I’m glad he is a social conservative. The people that hate Rick Santorum the most are the abortionists and the homosexual agenda types. I bet many of the posters here that hate him are faux conservative GOPproud types that lurk and hurl, never confessing to their own baby-destroying or sodomistic habits. The reason Rick lost the last election in Penn was the money injection from billionaire homosexual Tim Gill.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Bruiser,

      You write: “A conservative who is fiscal-only is a Nazi… ” That is, to paraphrase Newt, a profoundly ignorant statement.

      The rest of your diatribe is nonsensical supposition with no basis in fact.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Richard Pawley

        I won’t comment on the rest of this but my sources indicated that Tim Gills foundation spent millions defeating representatives and senators in the past who were opposed to the Gay Agenda, now being supported by our state department, at taxpayer expense, overseas. Type in “Tim Gill, The Atlantic” in your search engine for a good story about this from four years ago.

  • Jeff

    He is by far the best going in. He is heads above the rest on all the issues. You can take anyone and pull hair after hair on things they have done not knowing the reasons behined it. He has explained himself on all of these matters and makes sense, not just a wiggle out. Rick Santorum is a true patriot. Him and Michele Bachmann were the only TRUE conservatives in this race.

  • Rob

    With nuts like Santorum – Obama is sure to win re-election. So Go Santorum! Right wing Christians will be the downfall of the GOP. Fiscal Conservatives should stick to their talking points and leave social issues alone. Who cares if same sex people marry? Sodomy laws? Give me a break. Santorum needs a good romp in the hay.
    Google Santorum!

  • Maxine

    Rick Santorum and Romny suck I will not vote for eather one we dont need anymore Rinos in washington we need to weed out Rinos I cant belive Iowa was so dumb to pic romny and rick I think someone was messing with the votes

  • Kris

    The only thing I have to say is that I am going to have to hold my nose and vote like I did in 08! I don’t like any of these candidates with the exception of Bachmann. There are to many stupid people and leeches who will vote Hussain back into power so they can get their free “chit” and he can finish the destruction of this country and put us all into slavery! Once again the republicans are eating their own and giving Hussain the white house. So sit back and watch the show!

  • Norm

    By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
    Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
    Adolf Hitler
    Sounds light right wing extremists (teabaggers?).

    • Norm

      Sounds LIKE right wing extremists (teabaggers?).

  • Karolyn

    I guess anyone who drives his pickup truck around campaigning and talks about God is a shoe-in as far as many are concerned.

  • jopa

    I did find a couple of things humorous listening to Perry, one was when he accused Santorum of supporting the bridge to nowhere in Arizona.The second one was ahh hmm,I just can’t seem to remember what it was,I will have to call Ron Paul and he can clue me in.

  • emcfillin

    you establishment republicans tried to stuff Romney down our throats 4 years ago and as a result we got McCain. Tell me what is Santorum proposing that turns your stomach. I will not vote for Romney . He’s just another McCain.

  • http://none R Paul or status quo

    To anyone whom does not think Ron Paul is the right choice, I’ll just repeat what Bob Livingston said in reply to Helen…”You are the victim of corporate media” I also have to agree with Steve Edwards comment above of the country having the intelligence to elect someone with true/real Constitutional values, I think the dumbing down of the people, actually believing what they are told in television and newspapers has been very effective and so very sad. I would also like to thank richard from Canada for his observation from the north. If you still refuse to see what Ron Paul true beliefs are, please follow Bob’s link to http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/…there lies the answers to what the media does not want you to realize, that is the only reason I need to eliminate all others from even a remote consideration. I do what I can to enlighten people I converse with but I am simply awestruck by what they use to base their decisions on. cattle going to slaughter, and happy to do it because they can’t see the bullet coming. Just look at them cheering their demise. Truly frightening. My dream is to see Ron Paul shred obama in a debate without teleprompters, that would be classic!

    • Carol Fryer

      I have come to the conclusion after watching Ron votes get stolen right off the charts in front of my eyes last time, that a few rich peoples votes control the nation. I support Ron Paul. I want my nation back. But I think the votes are rigged.

  • G

    Santorum would not stand a chance! He would not even carry PA. He lost the Senate race in Pa as an incumbent because he was two faced and arrogant. One situation that he still has never apologized to the PA voters, was his arrogant stance on educating his children with tax payers dollars. He had a large home in Virginia where his whole family lived with him, but had a “residence” in Penn Hills, Pa. He had to do this to be a PA Senator, but also he could get PA funding for educating his children(who lived in Virginia ). Pennsylvanians can get school vouchers($) for home schooled children. He had this little dinky house in an area where he would never live(and never did live), to meet the residency requirements. It was a complete charade that he never thought the voters would find out about. When the voters did find out he still would not back down. He actually felt that it was completely his right to have PA tax payers fund his children’s education even though the whole family lived in Virginia 365 days a year. I’m sure if you asked him today, he would still think that there was nothing wrong with his decision. The Voters thought otherwise!

  • jopa

    Santorum lokks like the guy bagging at the checkout and has a hard time trying to decide on the papaer or plastic.G says;the post above is right on.

  • jopa

    Should be paper or plastic.

    • APN

      I thin we got your point the 1st time Jopa.

  • Carol Fryer

    They will not allow anyone who makes sense to get to the white house. And they will say you voted for their guy while they look you right in the eye…on TV of course…lol.

  • chuckb

    leave barry in the white house, the bolsheviks deserve him. wait until his obamacare hits them in the face and the taxation that goes with it.
    the illegals can’t lose either way, they are used to socialism and won’t expect anything different.
    the fed and state workers will be happy, they can eventually eat themselves up with unionism and most will be looking for a wpa job.
    pelosi and reid will be back in power passing legislation they don’t read, moochella and barry will be vacationing somewhere exotic.
    karl rove and the republicans will be scratching their heads and trying to figure out why their boy romney failed.

  • Susan

    I’be been fortunate to join a Membership/Reading Group – Combat Vets for Ron Paul. (I am not a Veteran.) Their posts are articulate, insightful, eloquent…and have often moved me to tears, to be quite honest. I do not feel I have the right to copy/post them anywhere, but if I were to do so, Dr. Paul’s Foreign Policy stand would no longer be an issue for you; nor would his general platform, in my opinion.

  • chuckb

    susan, you are backing someone who cannot win the republican nomination.
    the republican hierarchy has chosen their candidate, mitt romney, and he is about un-electable as paul. pauls stand on drugs along with his cranky demeanor makes him a poor candidate. i agree with a lot of his concerns for the country and would prefer him over romney, however, the media and big money republicans will never let him have the chance, the same as sarah palin.

    • Susan

      chuckb: So, you are saying that our Legitimate Votes FOR a Candidate don’t count? That it’s all up to GOP CORPORATE?

      I will never again vote for the lesser of two evils; my Conscience simply will not allow it. And if the “FIX” is already in? I’ve not been complicit regardless.

      I’ve seen the “Anybody BUT” people – and wonder how they’ve missed it… that it does NOT matter who’s in the Presidency…if we do not reverse course forthwith. If we do not do so? I do believe We are Witness to The Fall of the Republic.

  • TML

    Voted for the Patriot Act
    Proposes zealously to legislate morality, especially concerning gays
    Refusing to acknowledge, much less respect, the 10th Amendment
    And the most dangerous combination; pro-war (specifically against Muslims) while being anti-gun rights.

    It’s obvious his following are the Radical Crusader Christians

  • Wil

    Does the GOP have a candidate that actually is conservative?My biggest problem with Romney is his Romneycare bill.Seems like he would be too much like Obama on health care.

  • chuckb

    newt gingrich is the smartest one of the bunch, now would you have someone else fighting the bolsheviks over obamacare or someone who knows all the tricks. romney will fail in a debate with barry, not over intelligence,but, when he is cornered on anything he starts stuttering and loses his balance. newt will take barry apart in any debate, he will only have the media to fear. newt started his career as a southern red neck conservative, after getting to washington he became a politician instead of holding to his principles. hopefully he will go back to his original roots. the personal affairs of gingrich pales to the clintons, that didn’t seem to hurt bill at the polls. newts failings have all been layed out for the public, the clintons are still hiding most of theirs. the media still doesn’t want to expose barry or his background, i wonder why, the worse president to ever sit in the white house.

    • Aurelio

      Yeap, but the only problem that Gingrich is going to have when debating the community organizer, is Gingrich himself: the debate will center on his many mistresses; his commercial with Queen Pelosi,supporting Al Gore; his jaunt on Freddie; his awful ethical record in the House,where he bounced over 20 checks, and many more that we don’t know but that the media does. On the other hand, the community organizer is going to have a field day when he tell the audience that the former Speaker wants to become the first president in history to turn his mistress into a First Lady. Yes, I agree with you the debates with Gingrich are going to be very explosives.
      Wake up, the man is a fraud, an opportunist of the worst ilk, and with an ego, and an arrogance fatter than his stinking belly. The man looks like a hippo, he can’t even walk strait; Ron Paul who is even older, I’ m sure will beat him in a marathon. Ah, don’t forget Callista’s ironed-clad hair and half a million bucks hanging from her neck and ears. Get a life!

    • Susan

      So, chuckb… You’re gonna ‘hopefully’ believe that Newton will drop his NWO Agenda.

  • APN

    Bottom line, Vote Newt! He is the only individual that has the intellect, WILL and the GUTS to face and FIX this progressive-nightmare.

  • Dr John Galt

    One thing becomes quite obvious when viewing the posts on nearly every site discussing politics in the U.S.A., and that is NOTHING is going to change for the better until the effects of socialism have been imposed upon a much larger portion of society, and by then it may be too late as the major issue will have become little more than day to day survival. Individual freedom and liberty have been, and will continue to be, but short lived existences in human societies.

    The U.S. Constitution was meant to be the tool by which people would be in control of their government, confining the powers of politicians elected by a simple democratic process to what a super majority of the people accepted and empowered additionally through the process of amendment, NOT reinterpretation by justices with their own political agenda. Think about it, we elect politicians to govern within the laws that a super majority of “WE” the people, both rich and poor, have given our consent. Without our implicit consent our elected representatives have ignored us and created many laws which while sometimes appearing to be beneficial to many, are most always much more beneficial to those who fund them financially and themselves.

  • chuckb

    dr john, it must be really close now, most of this nation has been exposed to socialism. the education system has promoted marxism for years and the illegals pouring into the country know nothing else.

    our politicians are scrambling for the illegal vote and are willing to sell the country out to be elected to power. they don’t care what form of government you live under as long as they can watch you from their ivory tower.

  • Aurelio

    Politics is business; you pick the candidate with the largest appeal, because you want to win and make as many changes as possible. Nobody will ever get the candidate they want, because to win you need to bring people that don’t think like you do. If we don’t bring on board the independents, and disaffected dems, WE WILL NOT WIN, AND IF WE DON’T, DARK MANURE IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN FOR FOUR MORE LONG YEARS. This is the last chance we have to get this man out of the White House if want to restore this nation. This liking or disliking of candidates is simply stupid. Gingrich cannot win, he can’t even sign autographs, his wife signs them for him. Paul can’t get the whole pack together and doesn’t have the blessing of the whole establishment. Santorum is a sham, and too radical for independents. Perry, who I like a lot, intellectually is not there. The only one is the fixer, like the cleaner in Pulp Fiction. He knows how to fix troubled companies, he fixed the Olympics, and he appeals to independents and democrats. Later, once the country is back in the right track, you can choose Barry Goldwater, now content yourself with what is possible; or bite your nails for four more years!

    • Ann Wilson Kingsley

      Aurello, Romney is unelectable. Why? Because he is too Liberal. He cannot pull the Conservative base. While Romney may be able to turn companies around, he will not do anything substantial for our country because that is not part of the Socialist New World Order agenda, and he is a Neo-Con who is part of the NWO. Did you notice that Romney did not say he would repeal ObamaCare? Romney said only that he would grant waivers to all 50 states. That is a far cry from repeal, and a year later, he can decide not to provide waivers, or the next president could refuse waivers. Romney is a flipping weasel. Electing a Republican Obama will do more harm than good. Vote for a Republican House, and retake the Senate to curb Obama. Ron Paul has a better chance of pulling the Conservative base together than Romney because Paul voters are completely committed and will not switch. If Ron Paul is not on the ticket, I will write his name in.

      • Aurelio

        Ann, the wide conservative base, and I’m one of them, can not by itself vote a president into office, period. We are not a majority; if we were, McCain would have been elected four years ago. This is why we have to vote, and swallow the republican candidate, whoever he might be.Second, the president doesn’t have the power under the Constitution to override laws enacted by the Congress, all he can do at that point is to grant waivers to stop the law from being applied, then go to the Congress to repeal it. It is imperative that none of us are going to have a candidate tailored to our taste, it doesn’t work that way, I wish it did.

      • Susan

        I will, as well, Ann. People underestimate the Legions of Voters who are for Dr. Paul. Certainly not a ‘scientific method’ (haha), but interesting to hear and see the positive responses to my Ron Paul RECLAIMING AMERICA shirt when I’m out and about in this city. Even in Doc Ofc yesterday, several thumbs up, and my DOC asked me to stand so he could read the last line…”The Rule of Law”…and he said, “That’s really good! In fact, I like that! (And I like him…)”

      • APN

        Ann, RP will pull the votes of Libertarians and a small portion of TRUE conservatives. You people may think you can HIJACK the conservative movement…..ain’t going to happen!

        • Realist

          Let’s be truthful about this whole thing. It will be difficult, if not impossible to hijack the conservative movement. This election, people who are tired of the NEOCONS and the new world order will vote for Ron paul and they are a force large enough to derail the NEOCON movement and
          Obama will remain because people such as yourself hae chose to remain ignorant to facts and rality. I just pray that more of your ilk will awaken to keep the big government, big speding NEOCONs out of the presidency or another Bush clone will spend big bucks on more bailouts,
          build a super military budget, Cut social security as an “entitlement”
          cut Obamacare but keep the Illegals on walfare and bill the middle class.
          Well,I don’t like your so-called conservative movement because there is absolutely nothing conservative left about these Zionist NEOCONs and you are not educated well enough to recognize that fact. Study man, study!

  • Tom W.

    Rick was shown out hunting while in Iowa, all dressed up in his hunters garb, giving the impression that he is pro-2nd Admendment. But is he really?! Supporting anti-gun legislators like Arlin Spector, and refusing to return the NAGR’s (National Association for Gun Rights) signed commitment form confirming that he will unabashedly stand for the 2nd Amendment.

    • Richard Pawley

      Actually Ron Paul is the ONLY ONE who has signed it. Although the others have been asked to sign it by hundreds of callers, so far not one of them has.

  • Eli

    We are on the verge of being duped again, which we swore we would not allow. We’re allowing the media, and even the conservative talk-show hosts pick a candidate for us. The media is telling us Romney, while Glenn Beck, (who did a masterful job of revealing Gingrich’s Progressive bent) seems to be pushing for Santorum, thanks to his buddy Pat Grays disdain for Ron Paul and love for Santorum. Beck influences a lot of people, as does Rush ( I never listen to him, so I don’t know who he favors). But my point is this: just because a man is elected president doesn’t mean that he has totalitarian power to execute all of his positions. If that were the case we’d be under totalitarian rule right now. So if Ron Paul is elected, that doesn’t mean that he will automatically be able to exercise all of his foreign policies(that so many conservatives seem to hate), but if Romney, or Santorum, or Gingrich get the nomination, we are certain to have “Business as usual” Big Government, just as if McCain had won the last election. We somehow have to change the minds of the big conservative talk hosts who claim to hate big govt. They wield too much influence over conservatives to be ignored. They have to realize we’d be better off with a Ron Paul who would do everything in his power to stop big govt. than to have someone who under the cloak of conservatism will continue down the current path of destruction.

  • http://n/a HgB

    01/09/2012

    Dear Dr.Paul;

    I am surprised that NONE of the Republican candidates have made mention of RICK SANTORUM’s attempt to raise Senior Citizens’ retirement age from 65 to 70 when he was a Senator. There are many Seniors who took gross offense to this callous attempt to deprive them of the retirement which they earned and paid for. Why not raise the age to 75 or 80, and thereby ensure that a large percentage of Seniors will die before collecting a dime ? Some of these people can hardly get out of bed anymore, let alone put in a full days work. What do they do if they can’t work and they can’t retire ? Senior Citizens have to be reminded of Santorum’s attack on their retirement ON STAGE during debates, so this narcissistic hippocrit is knocked out of the primaries. As you know, Seniors represent a huge block vote, and many of them will show their appreciation for being reminded of this information, by voting for you. Please interject this as a talking point when you are debating this self-serving egotist. Thank you and good luck in the primaries and the General Election. Hans W. Bottesch
    P.S.: I have not been able to electronically send this to Dr.Paul’s campaign staff.
    P.P.S.: I met Santorum at a local meeting some years ago, when he was a U.S. Senator. I’m an inventor (US PAT #5,747,719- Armed Terrorist Immobilization System) and approached him after the meeting to ask for his help in bringing it to the attention of the government. His eyes immediately glazed over (something like those of a dead fish in a fish market). He looked at me as if I was a piece of garbage, and told me to give my info to his assistant (who, I’m sure, disposed of it). This man is only concerned about himself, and as such, is the last person, next to Obama, that the country needs asw President. HgB

  • J.Bettis

    o Yes He’s a spender, pro-war, anti-gun, and believes in a bigger government to legislate morality but also he’s The sometimes frothy, usually slimy, amalgam of lubricant, stray fecal matter, and ejaculate that leaks out of the receiving partner’s anus after a session of anal intercourse.

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