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The Fast And The Spurious II

November 15, 2011 by  

The Fast And The Spurious II

Last week, while many Americans tuned in to watch the Democrats’ racist cage match with Herman Cain — not to mention what ought to have been Governor Rick Perry’s final few moments of national prominence — Attorney General Eric Holder stopped by the Senate Judiciary Committee to discuss Operation Fast and Furious and cemented himself as the most corrupt and incompetent (the smart money is chasing the latter) head of the Department of Justice since Janet Reno stumbled back to Florida.

Some of my fellow pundits have pinned the disastrous Operation Fast and Furious on Holder’s (and by proxy President Barack Obama’s) gross ineptitude. Others have gone so far as to suggest that Fast and Furious was designed to create the exact scenario it produced — a flood of untracked firearms and the murder of Border Agent Brian Terry — in order to push gun control onto the table for 2012. I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle: Holder is sinister, but also incompetent. He is cartoonishly evil, a bumbling sociopath.

For those of you who possess attention spans as short as adolescent fleabaggers, Fast and Furious was an integral part of a continually unfolding scandal involving hundreds of millions of dollars wasted by Obama’s Administration. It proved only that the Federal government can funnel illegally obtained firearms to Mexican drug cartels despite warnings not to do so from multiple sources.

Of course, the irrepressible Holder already has been caught lying about his involvement in the ill-fated and idiotic operation. On May 3, Holder said during a Judiciary Committee hearing: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.” Documentation reveals Holder was sent briefings on the operation in July 2010. But Holder (and by proxy Obama) was hardly finished playing his outrageous role in the unfolding tragedy of errors, which infamously included the murders of two Federal agents, including Terry. Holder repeated the lies he told Representative Darrell Issa’s House Oversight Committee, even managing to resurrect the claim that Fast and Furious was a “local” program about which he had no knowledge. Documents reveal that assertion to be entirely untrue.

This afternoon, the 39 Congressmen who have called for Holder’s resignation will hold a press conference to publicly air their demand. Unsurprisingly, nary a Democrat will stand with them. Instead, doddering liberal goon Representative Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) continues his efforts to distract from the scandal with demands for unrelated hearings. Meanwhile, Representative Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) has called the examination of Holder’s misdeeds “politically motivated… a meritless distraction from the important work of the Department of Justice.” Far be it for me to note that as long as a bottom-feeder like Holder is in charge at the Justice Department, distracting him from his “important work” is akin to distracting a bear from eating your child or even distracting Mexican narcoterrorists from murdering Border Patrol agents.

Holder’s tenure at the Justice Department has been lamentable on its best days. He finally apologized to Terry’s sister last week via email, and then he leaked a copy of the afterthought to Democrat-friendly POLITICO in time for the next day’s front page. Small wonder interested parties from the Terry family and friends all the way to Congress have remarked on Holder’s “coldheartedness.” In addition, Holder has ignored invitations to Terry’s funeral and associated memorials. Then, in his latest attempt to shrug off the Fast and Furious fallout, Holder refused to acknowledge that the operation led directly to Terry’s murder — a denial which makes even less sense than the decision to give the go order for the disastrous operation in the first place.

Whether he’s refusing to even acknowledge culpability for what was either active malfeasance or gross incompetence in his handling of Fast and Furious or demonstrating breathtaking arrogance in lying about details of the operation that already have been exposed, Holder has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that his continued presence in the Attorney General’s office is an affront to basic decency. He has proved himself to be an inveterate liar, and he may have committed perjury in front of Congress not once, not twice, but thrice (and counting). Granted, Democrats tend to consider those mild offenses business as usual. But Obama promised the Nation a “transparent” Administration. So why, oh why, does his Attorney General continue to try to hide the truth from us all? And why does this supposedly “transparent” Administration stay silent on Holder and Fast and Furious?

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Vagabond

    eric holder is just as guilty of murder as if he pulled the trigger himself. he should not be allowed to resign. he should be fired with prejudice dissbarred tried convicted and sentanced to 40 years and one day at hard labor, it would do him a world of good to spend the next 40 years making gravel for roadways,

    • Cliffystones

      It would also be his first real job.

    • ernest

      you have as much chance of getting Holder as you have of getting Obama.

      • James

        If everyone would complain about Eric Holder to their congressmen, we would have a better chance. Many congressmen don’t follow this sort of thing at all. Put presser on them.

      • madog2

        Ernest has it right. You have a cold day in hell chance of stopping either of these pitiful excuses. You’re looking at one and a half black racists that believe that ,rightly so, they can get away with anthing their socialist hearts desire. If their brain was as big as their ego they might be able to lie more convensingly.

    • 45caliber

      Sadly Holder (and all politicians of both parties) consider it wrong to convict them and send them to jail for anything. So I don’t expect this to happen (although I most certainly support it!)

    • ChristyK

      Obama won’t fire Holder because He knows that Holder will squeal if he is not protected. I believe that a lot of high level officials, including Holder and Obama were intimately involved with Fast & Furioius. If the full story gets out, they are toast.

      • karel Eekels

        He is one of the many “enemy from within” in this administration. He is a disgrace, fails his duty as AG and needs to be flushed down the toilet yesterday, stripping him from all benefits and above all should never be allowed to practice law again. ChristyK, you are absolutely right in saying that he would “squeal” .The future of free society is at risk and these are all symptoms of an unraveling of civil society.

      • locoowl

        Holder is doing exactly what he has to to protect his boss, Barack Obama. This is all part of a planned chaotic break-down. So Holder is going to stonewall.

        I would hope that the next administration will investigate this and hold these two sleaze-balls accountable for their duplicity.

  • Morton L. Friedman

    As long as Holder remains taking the brunt of criticism, that will be as long as his boss is insulated. Holder is the ‘sandbag’.

    • Michael

      Neither holder or obama will pay a single thing for this travesty. If we thought Bill Clinton was a Teflon man, he has to move over for slick hussain and bumbling eric. As usual, the US Congress is allowing the press and the Dims to sweep yet another crime under the rug.

    • 12AngryMen

      I spoke directly with the journalist who broke this case, and he has received intel that Holder AND Hillary AND Obama were all part of this, and it is definitely a coordinated effort to rationalize gun control as well as small arms treaties.

      I cannot believe the arrogance of this administration nor the complacency of the American people over this! Here is a contrast:

      Nixon resigned over Watergate, which was about PRIVACY and FILES.

      This Gunrunner operation broke international laws, the rights of private US citizens (gun store owners), aided in hundreds of crimes in Mexico and the US, including MURDER, and has been covered-up and lied about multiple times.

      At what point do our leaders get held accountable?

      • Old Henry


        What is that journalist going to do with the intel that was gathered on Holder, Little Barry and the cackling HillabItch?

        • 12AngryMen

          He already sent it on for the formal investigation. The next week is when Hillary made her statements about having no knowledge.

          So typical of all this administration: They were either evil or incompetent. Either way, should they still be there?

          • Old Henry


            I chose EVIL. And no, they should be GONE.

      • Hank, MO

        I believe your statement regarding this as being a furtherance of gun control measures is absolutely correct. For additional information on this issue and discussions of various bills in Congress which affect your 2nd Amendment rights, see the National Association of Gun Rights website and newsletter.

  • CowboyHerb

    Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder and Obama are traitors to our country. They have reversed a jury conviction verdicts of Black Panthers and the mainstream media and/or FOX NEWS ignore this injustice. Who can we trust any more? There are pictures in magazines of Holder drinking and celebrating with Mexican Cartel members after his “fast and furious” closed deal. We have such a corrupt government and o ur Congress has to be aware of it and they do nothing……just talk, talk and talk about other matters…….ignoring what is really going on right under their eyes. Barry Sotero and Gang are just blantant about it…….knowing that no one will do anything!!! Who can we trust?
    Now Congress has called the ATF an “Accessory to Murder.”

    U.S. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) said that Obama officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be “ACCESSORIES TO MURDER.”

    Rep. Gosar explained: “We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity, where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals, where our livelihoods are at risk. When you facilitate that a nd a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means there is criminal activity.”

    Yes, the government, specifically Attorney General Eric Holder, must be held to the same standards as everyone else.

    Fast and Furious guns were used to kill U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, in addition to HUNDREDS of Mexicans. Holder must be held accountable. In fact, he must RESIGN!

    Gosar continued to say: “We impugn the private sector, we impugn main street America, and the bureaucracy cannot be held to any different standard whatsoever. He insists that DOJ and ATF officials “INTENTIONALLY VIOLATED THE LAW!”

    The Arizona Congressman explained that the Obama administration was “showing an intentional, wanton disregard for the law” and that “there’s got to be consequences for that. Leadership has a price!”

    Yes, the Attorney General is now accused of being an “accomplice to murder.”

    • Lastmanstanding

      a just think about the fact that when they all silently slip out of power, that our tax dollars will go to protect them from harm until the day they die. i’ll leave it at that.

      • 45caliber


        And to make things worse, that protection for the rest of their lives also includes protection from jail for any offense they commit before or after leaving office.

        • combat seabee

          Who said jail??

      • Bell

        Last, When they go to their grave, one will not protect them…God. They will answer to Him, and they may well lose their eternal lives if they don’t change, and mean it.

        • JTB

          They’re not going to change they think they’re above the law! Corrupt politicians!

    • socaldano

      As with Charlie Manson, Saddam Hussain, and Khadaffi…it is not accessory to murder, it is murder when the leader makes the decision to provide arms to facilitate murder.
      But read the Constitution, three choices of treason, this matches two.
      There was an act of war against Mexico, buying and sending military supplies to Mexico for the enemies of Mexico who are in a hot war with the government.

    • Bruce

      Cowboy, As well as all of you………….

      “”Please””” watch the posted youtube feed _ but first “empty” your glass.

      This will explain why not a single thing in DC ever changes other than you being pushed down time after time.
      If you so wish then watch the full 1:58 minute feed for even more intel on why. This all took place over 150 years ago, YOU nor I have ever been under the laws set down in the “ORIGINAL” Constitution and Bill of Rights.

      Folks we all need to wake up, and empty our glass’s as if your just not getting it if you leave any water in the glass.
      Its a complete relearning of the whole system, as what you think is, is NOT what is.

      You must first learn to stand, before you can even walk, and walk before you learn to run.
      If you don’t get the first step as in learning to stand the rest is all for not.

      Get mad as hell, but at please learn why your really mad as hell, then you can like a laser cut the Cancer out.

      But what you are all doing is dancing around the Root and trying to cut off leaves not even branches, so how can you even get to the root of the problem.

      • JC

        The 43rd Congress (Congress of the Northern States) created Washington DC as an entity seperate from “America” and gave itself powers not “inconsistent” with the Constitution.

        Meaning without the Constitution as its legally binding guideline.
        That would explain all the double talk about Constitutional interpretations wouldn’t it?

        Very Interesting Bruce. Thing is we don’t have to recognize what laws they made for their own pretense and benefit…We The People simply need to enforce the Constitution with or without their permission.

      • Average Joe

        I have posted this link on numerous times in the past and will do so from time to time in order to educated those who know that something is wrong, but can’t put their finger on the problem. I’ll start with the Historical outline and then post the link to the site. Before anyone starts whining and telling me that I don’t have a clue etc…don’t tell me, do as they suggest…prove them wrong and then tell them about your findings (I could find no flaws in their outline). Enjoy the read and enjoy the wealth of information on the site.

        Historical Outline

        1st: Martial Law is declared by President Lincoln on April 24th, 1863, with General Orders No. 100; under martial law authority, Congress and President Lincoln institute continuous martial law by ordering the states (people) either conscribe troops and or provide money in support of the North or be recognized as enemies of the nation; this martial law Act of Congress is still in effect today. This martial law authority gives the President (with or without Congress) the dictatorial authority to do anything that can be done by government in accord with the Constitution of the United States of America. This conscription act remains in effect to this very day and is the foundation of Presidential Executive Orders authority; it was magnified in 1917 with The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917). and again in 1933 with the Emergency War Powers Act, which is ratified and enhanced almost every year to this date by Congress. Today these Acts address the people of the United States themselves as their enemy.

        2nd: The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 created a “municipal corporation” to govern the District of Columbia. Considering the fact that the municipal government itself was incorporated in 1808, an “Organic Act” (first Act) using the term “municipal corporation” in 1871 can only mean a private corporation owned by the municipality. Hereinafter we will call that private corporation, “Corp. U.S.” By consistent usage, Corp. U.S. trademarked the name, “United States Government” referring to themselves. The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 places Congress in control (like a corporate board) and gives the purpose of the act to form a governing body over the municipality; this allowed Congress to direct the business needs of the government under the existent martial law and provided them with corporate abilities they would not otherwise have. This was done under the constitutional authority for Congress to pass any law within the ten mile square of the District of Columbia. Follow this link to see the effect of the District of Columbia Act of 1871.

        3rd: In said Act, Corp. U.S. adopted their own constitution (United States Constitution), which was identical to the national Constitution (Constitution of the United States of America) except that it was missing the national constitution’s 13th Amendment and the national constitution’s 14th, 15th and 16th amendments are respectively numbered 13th, 14th and 15th amendments in the Corp. U.S. Constitution. At this point take special notice and remember this Corp. U.S. method of adopting their own Constitution, they will add to it in the same manner in 1913.

        4th: Corp. U.S. began to generate debts via bonds etc., which came due in 1912, but they could not pay their debts so the 7 families that bought up the bonds demanded payment and Corp. U.S. could not pay. Said families settled the debt for the payments of all of Corp. U.S.’ assets and for all of the assets of the Treasury of the United States of America.

        5th: As 1913 began, Corp. U.S. had no funds to carry out the necessary business needs of the government so they went to said families and asked if they could borrow some money. The families said no (Corp. U.S. had already demonstrated that they would not repay their debts in full). The families had foreseen this situation and had the year before finalized the creation of a private corporation of the name “Federal Reserve Bank”. Corp. U.S. formed a relationship with the Federal Reserve Bank whereby they could transact their business via note rather than with money. Notice that this relationship was one made between two private corporations and did not involve government; that is where most people error in understanding the Federal Reserve Bank system—again it has no government relation at all. The private contracts that set the whole system up even recognize that if anything therein proposed is found illegal or impossible to perform it is excluded from the agreements and the remaining elements remain in full force and effect.

        6th: Almost simultaneously with the last fact (also in 1913), Corp. U.S. adopts (as if ratified) their own 16th amendment. Tax protesters challenge the IRS tax collection system based on this fact, however when we remember that Corp. U.S. originally created their constitution by simply drafting it and adopting it; there is no difference between that adoption and this—such is the nature of corporate enactments—when the corporate board (Congress) tells the secretary to enter the amendment as ratified (even thought the States had not ratified it) the Se3cretary was instructed that the Representatives word alone was sufficient for ratification. You must also note, this amendment has nothing to do with our nation, with our people or with our national Constitution, which already had its own 16th amendment. The Supreme Court (in BRUSHABER v. UNION PACIFIC R. CO., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)) ruled the 16th amendment did nothing that was not already done other than to make plain and clear the right of the United States (Corp. U.S.) to tax corporations and government employees. We agree, considering that they were created under the authority of Corp. U.S.

        7th: Next (also 1913) Corp. U.S., through Congress, adopts (as if ratified) its 17th amendment. This amendment is not only not ratified, it is not constitutional; the nation’s Constitution forbids Congress from even discussing the matter of where Senators are elected, which is the subject matter of this amendment; therefore they cannot pass such and Act and then of their own volition, order it entered as ratified. According to the United States Supreme Court, for Congress to propose such an amendment they would first have to pass an amendment that gave them the authority to discuss the matter.

        8th: Accordingly, in 1914, the Freshman class and all Senators that successfully ran for reelection in 1913 by popular vote were seated in Corp. U.S. Senate capacity only; their respective seats from their States remained vacant because neither the State Senates nor the State Governors appointed new Senators to replace them as is still required by the national Constitution for placement of a national Senator.

        9th: In 1916, President Wilson is reelected by the Electoral College but their election is required to be confirmed by the constitutionally set Senate; where the new Corp. U.S. only Senators were allowed to participate in the Electoral College vote confirmation the only authority that could possibly have been used for electoral confirmation was corporate only. Therefore, President Wilson was not confirmed into office for his second term as President of the United States of America and was only seated in the Corp. U.S. Presidential capacity. Therefore the original jurisdiction government’s seats were vacated because the people didn’t seat any original jurisdiction government officers. It is important to note here that President Wilson retained his capacity as Commander in Chief of the military. Many people wonder about this fact imagining that such a capacity is bound to the President of the nation; however, When John Adams was President he assigned George Washington to the capacity of Commander in Chief of the military in preparation for an impending war with France. During this period, Mr. Adams became quite concerned because Mr. Washington became quite ill and passed on his acting military authority through his lead General Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Adams was concerned that if war did break out Mr. Hamilton would use that authority to create a military dictatorship of the nation. Mr. Adams averted the war through diplomacy and the title of Commander in Chief was returned to him.
        (See: John Adams, by David McCullough, this book covers Mr. Adams concerns over this matter quite well. Mr. Adams was a fascinating man.)

        10th: In 1917, Corp. U.S. enters W.W. I and passes their Trading with the Enemies Act.

        11th: In 1933, Corp. U.S. is bankrupt, they force a banking holiday to exchange money backed Federal Reserve Notes with “legal tender” Federal Reserve Notes the Trading with the Enemies Act is adjusted to recognize the people of the United States as enemies of Corp. U.S.

        12th: Some time after 1935, you ask Social Security Administration for a relationship with their program. With the express purpose of generating Beneficiary funds to United States General Trust Fund (GTF) the Social Security Administration creates an entity with a name (that sounds like your name but is spelled with all capital letters) and an account number (Social Security number). They give you the Social Security card and let you know that the card does not belong to you but you are to hold it for them until they want it back. If you are willing to accept that responsibility over the card you activate the card by signing it, which gives you the ability to act as the fiduciary for the cards actual owner Corp. U.S. and you can use the card’s name and number to thus transact business relations for the card’s actual owner. You are also to note that though the card verifies its agency (you as the single person with authority to control the entity so created) it is not for use as identification. On review: notice the Social Security Administration was the creator of the entity, they offered you the opportunity to serve its Trustee capacity (by lending it actual consciousness and physical capacity), they gave you something (the card) that does not belong to you to hold in trust and they reserved the actual owner of the thing (Corp. U.S.) as the beneficiary of the entity—by definition, this only describes the creation and existence of a Trust. More importantly: the name they gave this Trust is not your name, the number they gave the Trust is not your number and your lending actual consciousness and physical capacity to this Trust’s Trustee capacity does not limit you or your capacity to separately act in your natural sovereign capacity in any way—what you do, when you do it and how you do it is still totally up to you.

        13th: In 1944, under the Bretton Woods Agreement, Corp. U.S. is quit claimed to the International Monetary Fund, and becomes a foreign controlled private corporation.

        14th: In 1962, considering the states were forced to carry out their business dealings in terms of Federal Reserve Notes (foreign notes), which is forbidden in the national and State constitutions, out of the necessity the states began protecting themselves from the people by forming corporations like Corp. U.S. Accordingly, those newly formed corporate state administrations began adopting Corp. U.S. suggested uniform codes and licensing structures that allowed better and more powerful control over the people, which thing the original jurisdiction governments of this nation had no capacity to do. Our Constitutions secure that the governments do not govern the people rather they govern themselves in accord with the limits of Law. The people govern themselves. Such is the foundational nature of our Constitutional Republic.

        15th: By 1971, every State government in the union of States had formed such private corporations (Corp. State), in accord with the IMF admonition, and the people ceased to seat original jurisdiction government officials in their State government seats.

        Now, having stated these historical facts, we ask you not to believe us, but rather prove these facts for yourself. We then ask you to contact us and share your discovery with us.

        When you find there is no error in this historical outline, then remember these simple facts and let no one dissuade you from the truth.

        The Bottom Line: when you speak about these private foreign corporations remember that is what they are and stop calling them government.

        Further, it is very important that we cease to attempt to fix them. It is far more important that we learn how to reseat our original jurisdiction government and spread the word about the truth. By reseating our State and national governments in their original jurisdiction nature, we gain the capacity to hold these private foreign corporations accountable. They owe us a lot of money, in fact they owe us more money than there is available in the world. In fact it is impossible for them to pay and that gives us the leverage we need to take back our nation and put things right. The process is a simple one. The difficulty is in getting our people to wake up to the truth. That’s why we ask you to prove the truth for yourself and contact us with your discovery.

        That means that you must stop acting and communicating like you are anything other than the sovereign that God created you to be. And, stop referring to Corp. U.S. or the STATE OF ‘X’ as anything other than the private foreign corporations that they are. And, finally, stop listening to the Bigfoot Patriot Mythology that is espoused by those that only give these facts lip service.

        It’s time to wake up and follow the truth, time to repent and become a moral and honorable society instead of lauding our Piety while we stand guilty of:
        a) not knowing the truth;
        b) not living the truth;
        c) believing God will save us even though we have the tools to know the truth the ability to use the tools but we refuse to live by the truth and use the tools we have to save ourselves and thereby become free.

        The biggest problem with that get all excited about uniting against the tyranny of Corp. U.S. is that they are blind to the truth having no remedy so they bail out of “the system” hell bent for a rebellion even the scripture says cannot be won with conventional weapons of war. Would that we could instead follow the admonition of the King of Kings and unite with truth to legally, lawfully and peacefully reseat our original jurisdiction government thereby taking back the control our nation in accord with law.

      • Old Henry


        Thank you for posting the link again. I started it yesterday, but had to leave. VERY interesting take, and i DO get it. (Had a lot of problem with the echoy audio quality due to bad hearing)

        Do you think we can get a majority of the 170M to no longer consent?

    • CJM

      The incumbents under 2008 obama win have made it a law that protects them from ANY illegal act–as pelosi showed when exposed for insider trading activities. Unfortunately, these shysters who liken themselves to lawmakers have found a way to protect themselves from criminality and go about their law-breaking activities as long as it brings them ready cash to fatten their bank accounts. Now, isn’t that interesting when the US Constitution holds elected officials to the same law-abiding standards the rest of us are honor-bound to follow?

  • Dr. smith

    “Representative Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) has called the examination of Holder’s misdeeds “politically motivated”

    how do these folks get elected? where’s the “fair and balanced” media on this travesty?

    When are we going tp hear that that Republicans ae racists for calling light to this criminal activity by holder?

    paralyzed by political correctness as the Injustice department gets away with murder.

    • beverly

      Eric Holder wasn’t elected, he was appointed…by Obama

      • skyraider6

        Beverly, Holder goes all the way back to the Clinton’s. Remember Mark Rich.


      I am proud of the fact that my Senator Jeff Sessions was one of two Senators that had the good sense to vote against confirming Holder.
      The other one, Shelby, voted for this clown, as well as voting to exhonorate Clinton. I am ashamed of him.

  • CowboyHerb

    Obama and the Attorney General Eric Holder would eat their own young for breakfast and ask for a second helping if they thought it would help them and there friends.confiscate and destroy our firearms so they can create a United Nations controlled utopia where all guns would be wiped off the face of the earth.

    Imagine for a moment what that would look like. Not only would they snatch away your firearms freedoms, but they would likely disarm police, security personnel and our military!

    The UN’s ultimate goal is to disarm the world so we can all hold hands and sing “Kumbaya.” We must make sure that does not happen.

  • SammysDad

    Holder is an excellent symptom of a virulent disease that has permeated the White House and the total Obama administration. Lying, corrupt under the table pay-offs to supporters which have now become so common place, and being allowed to get away with “murder” by getting a pass by the heinous and vile media combine to spread this disease throughout America. If 2012 does not come up with a medication to destroy this disease, America will decompose and be contaminated forever.

  • sean murrey ILLIniois

    holder and obummer are acouple of murderers.

  • CowboyHerb

    If we don’t get these BASTER out of the white house we all are gonna be in FIMA camps.

  • CowboyHerb

    Screw up, move up, cover up: Fast and Furious.. I so hope and pray that this investigation leads all the way to Obama!! They both need to see the inside of a jail cell, and be the bitches of cell block C.
    This was a lousy attempt to get stiff gun control laws passed in this country and dis-arm the law abiding citizen. OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!!

    • 45caliber

      This whole thing is typical of Waco and Ruby Ridge as well as other things. It will be covered up just as they were. Those involved will be promoted and those who blew the whistle will be fired and – in some cases – found guilty of something so they can be sent to jail.

      • Old Henry

        Or just found at room temperature 45.

  • CowboyHerb

    Operation Fast and Furious and the Occupy Wall Street’ Was Organized From Day One by SEIU/ACORN and all the Unions Front – The Working Family Party, and How They All Tie to the Obama Administration, DNC, Democratic Socialists of America, Tides and George Soros
    It’s simple: amplify this class warfare with race wars, call in the national guard, BO declares martial law and cancels 2012 elections. This was already suggested by one governor… Bingo! You have your dictator and communism in place.

  • Monroe Riddle

    Holder and Obama are egually guilty .Holder lied to congress which in the past has been the end of the line for that person.So why is he not being indited and tried. I remember when Janet Rino went of TV and said that if a person who could not qualify for a loan and the bank turned them down ,then she made some remark about what she would do to that bank. She brought down the economy for the whole USA . It looks like DOJ people are way above the law and also presidents Monroe PS we must have someone who can rise up and stop this madness

  • Dean Behrens

    I agree with all the above

  • CowboyHerb

    You all gotta see this…If you go onto youtube and look at all the FEMA concentration camps built across the country along with railroad cars built to carry large amounts of people you could have a clue. Incite the people, declare marshall law, round up all the people who rally and ship them off to camps, install a true dictatorship….sound far-fetched? Ha,ha,ha…..what’s already happened seemed impossible hadn’t it?

  • http://liberyalearts john p.



      Did you ever consider that Obama and Holder might be in the pockets of the Mexican Drug Cartels? The number of guns involved in “FAST & FURIOUS” are sufficient to take over the Mexican Government.

      • Patricia Martin

        If those guns from Fast & Furious are “enough” for the cartels to take over the Mexican gov’t, then I would suppose the number of guns are enough for those who think part of the US still belongs to Mexico, those people could use them to “take back our South Western States”
        Do you suppose? HEAVEN FORBID!

        • 45caliber

          Don’t worry about them trying to take back the SW. The citizens have guns of their own. I don’t know a single family in this area (Texas south of Houston) that doesn’t have at least one gun. That includes the preacher. And most women have their own. My wife does. The real problem – if they try – will be the ones who are innocent of the whole thing. They are liable to be shot at too.

          Actually, I believe that the real problem in this whole affair is the US government trying to prevent any American from causing harm to the cartels. Just check out the BP agent who is now convicted (by a judge) of hurting a drug smuggler – who they gave amnesty to so he could testify against the BP agent. If the Americans were left alone by our government, there wouldn’t be ANY cartel members on this side of the border and no smuggling. But there would be some fat buzzards.

        • JUKEBOX

          Evidently, you don’t have any concept of how many people could be killed in a crowded area with that amount of guns with their potential firepower. Thirty men with AK47s could kill a thousand people in a few minutes.

        • Winston Smith

          From the way it looks the cartels won’t have to invade California – their Governor and Courts are practically begging Mexico to take it back!

  • Jim

    Many are fiddling while the USA burns. Remember, Nero started the fire that burned Rome so that he could justify building a new palace. What’s so different is that there are many Neros in power today. I guess that they are burning it down so that can build it anew according to their vision, or lack, thereof.


      That’s why I call him NEROBAMA!

  • Samuel Lipari

    The House and Senate Judiciary members approved AG Holder knowing he was going to protect the lawless DOJ, FBI and DHS activities and cover up’s. The House and Senate Judiciary had notice after notice and did nothing to hold public officials accountable for the billions in Medicare fraud and civil rights violations. On this very day the lawless DOJ and FBI in Kansas City continues to target Senate Candidate Samuel Lipari and his associates while US Attorney Beth Phillips still has her job. Prior US Attorney’s were even promoted for there lawless work! The Movie “Puncture”show why

  • Samuel Lipari

    Why is Personal Liberty Digest censoring comments?

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Samuel Lipari,

      If you are referring to your post from 8:15, it was caught by the filters because it had more than one link. Those automatically go to moderation.

      Best wishes,

    • Ted Crawford

      Further explaination is needed, where, when, who?

  • Rich

    This whole thing is nothing more than an attempt to justify gun control. Obama know that so long as the public is armed he can’t establish his Marxist dream world on the US public.

  • Ted Crawford

    I must be missing something here! Not to take anything away from the terrible fact that this action by Holder and company caused the deaths of at least two of our officers, wasn’t it also a violation of International law?
    If I understand the missions intent, it was to get guns into the hands of Cartel members in an effort to track them. The Cartels are headquartered in Mexico. I fail to see how they could argue that the intent, therefore, wasn’t to have these guns cross an International Border, without the knowledge or permission of the affected nation.
    Interestingly enough Caldron isn’t complaining half as much about this as he is about our own sovereign states passing immigration laws that have no effect in Mexico!

    • 1911man

      Yes Ted that is correct, this could be prosicuted as international gun trafficing, so why isn’t it being persued?

      • JUKEBOX

        Too much money is being sent to Obama & Holder’s offshore bank accounts.

        • 45caliber

          That wouldn’t surprise me at all. I’ve heard rumors that Oblama has become a billionare (in off-shore banks) since he became President.

    • 45caliber


      They insist it was meant to “track” the guns. How do you track a gun? None had any tracking device and no one followed the guns.

      The only thing intended was to find the guns after they had been recovered from a crime scene. So they EXPECTED the guns to be used to commit a crime and wanted them used so.

  • CowboyHerb

    Fast and Furious” — the ATF was actually smuggling weapons to them, all in an attempt to get public support for the passage of the anti-gun UN “Small Arms Treaty.” These anti-gunners tell us that their gun control agenda is “reasonable,” but just wait, you and I will wake up one morning, read the paper and find out that they want to implement gun control on the rest of the country.
    I know these guys like the back of my hand — they have to kiss Barack Obama’s ass to get gun control pals like billionaire New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Time is getting short on this administration. I would expect more of this bull in the weeks and months to come.

    Obama is issuing new anti-gun laws via executive fiat. That’s right – instead of doing his job – i.e. fixing the economy and creating jobs – Obama is pouring all of his energy into a massive campaign TO GRAB YOUR GUNS!
    Obama used the ATF to pass new restrictions on the sale of certain guns in border states. He is also increasing the punishments for violating gun laws. If you think Obama will stop at only two anti-gun laws, you are wrong. He could pass more punitive gun control laws via executive order- soon!
    The second part of Obama’s subversive plan is to pass many smaller anti-gun laws via executive order so we won’t know what hit us when we have an all-out gun ban! So far, Congress has blocked the most radical of Obama’s freedom grabbing plans. But, by using the “executive order” loop-hole, he can get away with passing even more oppressive anti-Second Amendment laws… without a vote from Congress!
    That is unless the Congress blocks him by overriding his anti-gun executive orders.
    Obama administration was responsible for trafficking firearms across the border.
    Obama’s accomplices are defending his gun control orders by claiming they are “minor” adjustments of the law. If Obama’s reforms are so miniscule why can’t he pass them through Congress…?

  • socaldano

    We have to go back to where Obama Hillary and the leaders at Justice and ATF were saying with absolute certainty that American Gun Dealers were supplying the mexican drug lords with Guns. I was saying “that is insane”, the ATF has the absolute power to track and shut down any such gun dealers.

    THEN we find out that ATF under the supervision of Justice/Holder WERE ordering the gun dealers to sell guns to the Mexican drug gangs…That is why Obama and Hillary KNEW where thousands of guns were coming from.

    Holder, Obama, Hillary and other anti gunner democrats believe this political, as if we would only shut up and let them ban private gun ownership the act of war against Mexico and the acts of Treason would never have occurred.

  • Stunned at sunset

    LOL! “…Attorney General Eric Holder stopped by the Senate Judiciary Committee to discuss Operation Fast and Furious and cemented himself as the most corrupt and incompetent (the smart money is chasing the latter) head of the Department of Justice since Janet Reno stumbled back to Florida.” Ha! “…since Janet Reno STUMBLED back to Florida.” I love ya’ Ben! Boy, you must be a great carpenter too because you’re always hitting the nail right on the head!

  • CowboyHerb

    Soon, flash mobs will target our HOMES! Imagine what would happen if your home was invaded by a group of teenagers. The scary fact is; this could happen here. The economy is in the dumps. Because of Obama’s FAILED economic policies, people are out of work and they are angry. We are starting to see the beginning of what could turn into England-style riots and nation-wide pandemonium… This is why I am advising everyone to invest in the most precious metal, lead ammo.
    It’s scary the direction Obama is forcing us to go with his gun regulations. Stick to the 2nd Amendment, don’t let his Socialist agenda happen. We stay with the Constitution.

    • 45caliber

      I need to buy a back hoe. It is hard work digging graves in the back forty by hand.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Amen…just dig one hole and keep the fire burning.

        those that cannot support themselves and live civilly must be the first to go.

  • skyraider6

    We need justice today not someday. Where’s our FBI?


      They’re probably still looking for Obama’s “REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE”.

  • Bev

    We just demand that the Dept of Justice be called the Dept of Injustice, because that is exactly what is going on here. Laws are only followed if they help with all the politics, if not, throw them out the window. This is how Obama uses the Dept of Injustice and he has just the man Eric Holder to help him.

  • William L Collins

    if you witched c-span on Holder you would seen and heard how Holder sliped in H.R.822 gun control in his and all his order’s came from the higher up’s from the top testifying Obama and all his addminastration need’s to be held accountable including F.B.I.,C.I.A.,H.L.S for saleing guns and our enemys like drud cartel guided miseles to the U.A.E to commite crime’s and murder aganst law abiding citizens all congress men women, sentors men ,women need’s to stand togethere and show that they are not above the law of this type of crime’s pirod

  • Doug Wombacher

    Don’t be surprised if Rahm Emanual’s name doesn’t show up in this eventually. He was one of Obama’s “engineers” of capitalizing on crisis beore he left to be coronated Mayor of Chicago….just a small step to begin creating them for these sinister purposes.

    • CowboyHerb

      I’m with u on that Doug.

  • Barbara

    Why is Holder and Obama getting away with all of this? Poor Terry….he never had a chance to enjoy life like these two goons have been doing. Is it because they are black that nothing is being done? I am tired of all this race card…politico correctness and all the other crap that goes with it. It seems that honesty doesn’t pay now days…you have to be a crook and a murderer to get the respect from your party. We are being flushed down the toilet by a black imposter that doesn’t even belong in this country. GOD HELP US….WE MUST KEEP PRAYING TO THE ALMIGHTY FOR HELP.


      Obama & Holder are only BLACK when it is convenient to be. Both of them are as white as they are black, making them both BI-Racial. If they are ever prosecuted, they will probably blame their white racist genes.

    • http://html Bob

      POTUS is not black, he is MULATTO, I have no idea who Holder is except he needs to be tried for treason.

      • JC

        Whatever he is..he behaves like a nasty liberal white woman.

  • kodster

    My opinion? Like begets like. They are guilty by association. Obama selected someone just like himself for the head of the DOJ. Same with the head of Homeland Security. They’re ALL incompetents, and they have surpassed their Peter Principle levels, and should be fired. Only we have a bunch of gutless representatives and senators in Congress who are more interested in padding their pockets than doing the right thing for their constituencies. We have all these freshmen representatives and senators who go in there, after campaigning saying they’re going to clean it up, which is why they were elected in the first place, and they get assimilated in no time. Toe the line, guy (or gal), or we’ll make life miserable for you and smear you to hell and back. The whole house needs to be cleaned out and started from scratch again. Remember, a little leaven ruins the entire batch, so you must have none.

  • Nap Time Is Over

    A lot of people don’t understand what’s really going on in this country and who’s giving the orders. Obama and Holder aren’t at the top of the totem pole. They’re only hyponized puppets who are controlled by Rupert Murdock, who btw, is one of the most vile, evil beings on this planet. Murdock has placed every one of his ‘puppets’ at the head of this government and has been doing so for over 20 years. His people are Israeli Zionists who are heads of the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI, Homeland Security, etc., and they make all the decisions concerning America’s future.

    The American people need to pull the plug on the pool and allow every one of those scumbags to be drained back into the sewer where they came from. If you read the Zionist’s ‘Bible’ the Talmud, you will know who those people really are. They would make Satan or the Antichrist look like cub scouts. Hell was split wide open thousands of years ago and they are the outcome of what lies in the Devil’s bottomless pit of Hell. They have caused carnage on Earth ever since Satan set them free and sent them here.


      You neglected to mention the anti semite billionaires Soros & Kaiser.

  • Harvey

    Wonder how much money the drug cartels paid for his corrupt and murderous actions? He is protecting someone. Guess who? Who made the statement he would work behind the scenes to enact gun control?
    These and others are working their plan to destroy the USA and make us a socialist or communist third world power with a dictator incharge. At least looking at Holder does ‘t
    make me throw up like looking at the other queer AG. He looks like everything we are trying to defeat. He he a citizen like the prez is?
    If we let these progressive people take away even one constitutuonal Admendment, then They will take away the entire constitution as fast as possible. They have to take away our guns first to enable them to have total control over us without any resistance.
    Follow the money!

  • Jim W

    I do not want Holder’s resignation. I want him and his boss Mr. Obama charged, convicted and jailed. I guess it doesn’t matter though, their is no one in congress with the guts to do their job.

    • 45caliber


      It is not that no one in Congress has the guts – it is the fact that most of them are equally guilty of something and they don’t want to risk setting a preceedant that they can go to jail too.

  • CowboyHerb

    The DOJ/ATF “Gun Walker” scandal isn’t the first time Eric Holder’s name has come up in association with gun runners and terrorist organizations. Just a few years ago Holder acted as defense attorney for one of the largest gun running scandals in recent history.
    In 2007, then private attorney Eric Holder defended the group that funneled $1.7 million into the Columbian group AUC (Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia) – a U.S. designated terrorist organization. In addition to funding, Chiquita International Brands (CIB) helped the group illegally import over 3,000 AK-47s and 5 million rounds of ammunition into a country ripped apart by drug wars. And Eric Holder not only defended CIB, he initially argued to the court that CIB had done nothing wrong. When that did not work, he helped CIB negotiate a relatively small fine and eliminate legal penalties for the CIB employees who facilitated the illicit weapons transactions.
    Now it comes to light that Eric Holder’s own U.S. Department of Justice, through its reporting agency the ATF, instituted a policy of assisting in the illegal export of guns to Mexican drug cartels. ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) agents reportedly not only turned a blind eye toward illegal gun sales, field agents were forced by superiors to actively facilitate the transfers. And in at least one case, that of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, the cartels used those “gun walked” weapons to murder U.S. officers.
    In his recent testimony before Congress, Eric Holder claimed absolutely no knowledge of the “Gun Walker” program. But given his previous work with gun runners, it is not far-fetched to imagine that Holder not only knew, but had a large hand in the program.
    Frankly, the ongoing DOJ/ATF “Gun Walker” scandal represents only the latest in a long line of disgraces associated with Attorney General Eric Holder, including numerous instances of his refusal to enforce or even abide by the law, such as the New Black Panthers voter intimidation case, the ACORN Voter corruption and funding scandals, federal court orders regarding “ObamaCare” and Congressional subpoenas, and his shocking dereliction of duty regarding the Defense of Marriage Act. Rather than stand as the “top cop” and ultimate sentinel and protector of our nation’s rule of law, Holder seems to be far more interested in traducing the law to suit his own cronies, radical friends, colleagues, business associates — plus random “clients” and high bidders. How much longer will we tolerate corruption and outright trampling of the Constitution from America’s highest law enforcement office? Our current Attorney General is not fit to lead the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice must be cleansed of the cancer destroying it from within, ERIC HOLDER MUST GO!


      Holder probably would swear that he doesn’t know who Marc Reich is.

  • john

    This illegal,lying,treasonous, ineligible to be
    president, “pos”,should be indicted by a federal grand jury and tried for treason. Then,since he loves to tout himself as commander-in-chief of the armed forces,should be court martialed by a mitilary court, found guilty of treason, and sentenced to death by firing squad. I am 68 years old,a military vet(6 years) and a police officer of 27 years. I have lived thru every president since 1943, and this jerk is by far the worst president in every way. OMG, (obama must go)

  • 45caliber

    Like many others have stated here, Holder needs to go (to jail).

    • Lastmanstanding

      A day will come when the citizenry will handle all of these corrupt bastards…It will be a “run” on politicians who have defiled the constitution…The citizens of America will set a precidence of what to do and what not to do while you are an elected official.

      Most get the just of what I am talking about.

      • 45caliber

        They get invitations to a party where they get to be the guests-of-honor but must wear neckties?

        • Jibbs

          Hemp neckties!

          • JUKEBOX

            Haitian neckties would be more appropriate!

  • EdinNola

    The assertion that “fast and furious” was begun to track firearms into Mexico and somehow track them to drug cartels is absolutely absurd. If that could be considered to be truth in any degree, the authors of such a program would have to be considered to be incompetent in the extreme. Incompetent far beyond belief!

    There was no method set up to track the weapons. It’s Mexico, another country, and no coordination was even suggested between “fast and furious” and the Mexican government. There just was no attempt to track these weapons, so the assertion that that was the idea is simply a lie.

    The “fast and furious” program was set up exclusively to bolster Obama’s plea for gun control. He and Holder, in their arrogance are still trying to use the program for that purpose. This administration will go to any lengths to dominate and control the American people. OMG – Obama Must Go

    • 45caliber


      The goal of “Fast and Furious” was to place guns from America into cartel hands. Then when found at a crime scene, the DoJ would express horror and use it to pass laws that banned gun shows and charged the dealers (who were acting under orders from the BATF) with criminal actions. I suspect they also intended to make it illegal to be a dealer in the border states (after all, dealers couldn’t tell a cartel member from someone else when all they want is profits) and confiscate guns from the citizens on the grounds that they could (but not necessarily would) sell to cartel members. Then that could be expanded to the rest of the country as desired.

  • Chuck

    Obama and Holder are in this together!

  • JeffH

    Sign the petition to fire Eric Holder

    Holder: “”Fast and Furious was a flawed response TO, not cause OF’ the problem of U.S. guns going to Mexico.” Setting up for more gun control, Holder says the solution is more money for DOJ and more enforcement “tools” for the government.

    Instead of exercising more control over lawless bureaucrats within its own agencies, the Obama administration is tightening its grip over law-abiding gun shops.

    • 45caliber has a petition to fire him too.

  • jerry sweet

    i really believe obama and holder think when they declare all guns to be confiscated,we the people will just comply.we might, but unlike autrailia and britain we the people are armed to the teeth.knowing this they would have to call in chinese and other nato allies to help accomplish this.but in my 63 years and a person who once wore a badge,believe me the law will shoot its own citizens in a heartbeat.look at katrina.murder by cops and illegal gun seisures.just another cling to my God and my guns sorta guy,get over it.we do have God given rights and owning a gun is just one of many

    • 45caliber


      The libs believe that if the President issues an order EVERYONE MUST OBEY! Even if the order is illegal by any measure of the word. They believe that if the President orders the military to shoot protesters – even if they are family members – the military must and will obey.

      But then, they also believe that if they give an order to kill someone and that person is then killed, they are innocent of the murder too since they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.

  • JeffH

    Has anyone heard of the Tampa/Honduras gun walking scandal in Florida…”Operation Castaway”?

    “In recent days, it has come to light that the ATF and DOJ have participated in the act of ‘gun walking’ beyond the acts conducted within the scope of ‘Operation Fast and Furious,’” Bilirakis wrote to Holder and Melson.

    “Recent reports have suggested that Project Gunrunner may not have been limited to weapons trafficking to Mexico and that similar programs included the possible trafficking of arms to criminal gangs in Honduras with the knowledge of the ATF’s Tampa Field Division and the Department of Justice’s Middle District of Florida through an operation known as ‘Operation Castaway,’” the letter read.

    • Old Henry

      I had not heard of this one.
      Thanks JeffH.

  • CJM

    Corruption has run rampant in every Nation on earth…we, in America, have finally uncovered the corruption that exists here and are appalled at the magnitude that we have found. Apathy, complacency have taken hold and we now are confronted with remedies that will correct this horrid situation. We will not correct it as long as the corrupt are returned time and time again to office. Term limits and a LIMITATION ON CAMPAIGN FUNDS are in order. Term limits help to prevent careerists in the political arena and Limitations on Campaign funds to be used in the election process will eliminate the ‘Position for Sale’ attitude that exists among the current incumbents. It’s time the American people put a cap on both areas–and the rest of the world will realize that AMERICA IS NOT FOR SALE.

    • 45caliber

      When Clinton was President there was a push to get rid of him for criminal actions. These were cancelled because they would also require trial and jail. It was felt by the Powers-that-be that if they did this, it would “emberass the US” in the world so it was better to overlook the actions.

  • Monte

    A couple of questions: If we truly had a functioning government, wouldn’t these dirt-bags (Obama and his whole evil band of misfits) be awaiting trial, instead of planning their next assault? And why would the Supreme Court side with this commie trash?

    It’s all about the money, boys and girls.

  • Evermyrtle

    We must not give up in our efforts in stopping Holders savage anti-GOD destructive hold on America. We need to get rid of him so that we can get started on the many others, who need to go the same way.

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    The feds have long been corrupt, but the current administration, or should I say regime is the apex of all that is broken in our legal system. The FBI should be investigating the AG now, but will not as they answer to him. Obummer keeps issuing Presidential directives from the White House to end run Congress and they sit silent. The entire system is broken. No accountability, no checks and balances. We are crazy to think going to the polls voting for recycled politicians on either side will fix any of this mess we have today.

    If Obummer gets another term, count on this, gun control, censorship, tracking of on-line sites such as this, much larger government, fewer freedoms.

    • Raggs

      They can have my guns one bullet at a time.

    • 45caliber

      I think Congress is sitting quiet because they don’t want the voters to think they had anything to do with what Oblama wants. The problem with that is that if you don’t do anything then you are automatically approving what he wants – which means you support him.

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Agreed, we have to limit terms and should be working on getting that done now.

  • Rod Roberts

    Criminal Intent!

    Eric Holder should be indicted and tried for lying to Congress. He should first be fired because it was his business to know (and documentation says he did know) about Fast and Furious. If he didn’t personally read the memos and emails, his deputies should have and reported to him. What a conspiracy! What a bunch of Chicago gangsters we have in DC.

  • Raggs

    If congress doesn’t remove him I think that America should force him out…

    • Mark Are

      Maybe a public hanging would send the message to other psychos that would do the same thing?

      • Jibbs

        I’ll bring the hemp rope, it’s strong and reuseable many times.
        BTW, I’ll also be selling popcorn, beer and post cards.

  • Buck

    The demon rats , all of them , have among them as much honesty as you might find at an international liars convantion , almost . They are all responsible from Obamass right down to the last 18 year old voter that voted him in office . THERE ARE NO HONEST DEMON RATS , they even lie to themselves , if not they could not vote for this filth even holding their noses .

  • Angel Wannabe

    Holder has his butt in a pickle, Fox News just has a Conference on a little bit ago, calling for Holder to step down…one by one Obamaites are falling!!!

  • James

    Two of the Fast and Furious weapons were found at the death scene of Deputy Brian Terry. Senator Cornyn asked Holder: “Have you apologized to the family of Brian Terry?” Holder answered: “No.” “Would you like to apologize to them today?” Cornyn added. Holder said: “I have feelings of sympathy and regret.”
    It’s time to stop thinking of the Fast and Furious project as a collossal mistake. Even Bush had a “Wide Receiver” “gun-walking” plan.

  • Mark Are

    Just another day at the office with the psychopaths in control, losing control by the day.

  • Kevin Beck

    Just remember that the buffoon Eric Holder was the Assistant Attorney General when the boob Janet Reno was Attorney General!

    Only a buffoon like Holder can make Reno seem mildly competent. Holder would even make the Three Stooges seem like geniuses in comparison.

    On second thought: The Three Stooges WERE geniuses–and I don’t mean Obama, Holder and Napolitano.

  • tjeffries

    Holder must be held accountable for this crime, and it IS a crime.

  • Alex

    While Holder’s use of the terms “not sure” and “probably” are lamentable and quite likely meant only for obfuscation, they also serve to shield him from the charge of lying. The Davidson education Ben Crystal received obviously lacks an credible examination of the subtleties of the English Language. Whatever.

    Like its motion picture namesake, ‘Fast & Furious’ is a disatre—no argument here. It looks like a bunch of people were careless, sloppy even. But the thrust of the program is true—-the Mexican drug wars are being fought with guns from our country. That Conservatives can point out that, yes, indeed, our guns are killing Mexicans because WE SENT THEM THERE in a failed operation is quite problematic for Second Amendment foes like myself.

    Yet the truth is that the blood running through the streets of Mexico is spilled by bullets fired from guns that have crossed the border.

    Gun freaks point to this as proof that Gun Control does not work, that the daily carnage shows that people intent on gaining weapons will get them, legally or illegally. The problem with this simplistic equation is that the numbers are obviously skewed in that the country WITH gun control shares a wide border with the largest gun cesspool on Earth.

    Since our wretched 18th Century mentality of theft and its consequent fear squash any attempt at sensible gun legislation, Mexico should adopt a similar attitude to drugs: the Mexican government should decriminalize the possession, use, and transport of all drugs. This will immediately lessen the current Mexican bloodbath. We, in turn, will learn to deal with a flood of imported Death.

    When will you imbecilic, fearful sheep reread the worst amendment to the Constipation, the amendment MOST in need of updating, and see in it the words WELL-REGULATED MILITIA?

    • 1911man

      they’re getting more and worse weaponry from their partners in commie countries farther south. They wouldn’t be getting any from the U.S. if the govt. wasn’t sending them there. I think if you don’t beleive in the 2nd ammnd. then you are for abolishing all other ammends. protecting the rights of the people?At the time of the writing of the constitution the militia was EVERY able bodied person,not a national guard establishment.

  • hitthedeck

    The Obama Gestapo doesn’t even try to justify their failures. This fast and fools operation is so devious that I would not doubt that Terry Salvo could have been sit up as a sacrificial lamb to make the American people furious about American gun dealers selling guns to the Mexican cartel. The plot by the architect who cooked this scam up backfired because of the loyalty the ATF agent’s shared with their fellow agents. They would not allow their friend to die with a lie as an excuse for his death. If these brave men had not stepped forward there would have been numerous arrests of innocent gun dealers who would have had no evidence that Government agents had ordered them to sell hundreds of guns to Mexican gunrunners. They were set up also to further the political plot to override the second amendment. I can only say from Holders pass history and his in your face deception and lies he could very well be the architect of this evil act to a gain political power. It is almost to pry this man away from the protection of his boss. The president of the United States.

  • hitthedeck

    corrected post:
    The Obama Gestapo doesn’t even try to justify their failures. This fast and fools operation is so devious that I would not doubt that the murdered boarder agent Brian Terry could have been sat up as a sacrificial lamb to make the American people furious about American gun dealers selling guns to the Mexican cartel. The plot by the architect who cooked this scam up backfired because of the loyalty the ATF agent’s shared with their fellow agents. They would not allow their friend to die with a lie as an excuse for his death. If these brave men had not stepped forward there would have been numerous arrests of innocent gun dealers who would have had no evidence that Government agents had ordered them to sell hundreds of guns to Mexican gunrunners. They were set up also to further the political plot to override the second amendment. I can only say from Holders pass history and his in your face deception and lies he could very well be the architect of this evil act to a gain political power. It is almost impossible to pry this man away from the protection of his boss. The president of the United States appointed Holder and commands him.


    They were going to Impeach Clinton over sex in the Whiye House, but with all of the ” going on now, I don’t hear any talk about IMPEACHMENT of OBAMA’S TOMFOOLERY”. In this case the word TOMFOOLERY might include things like the way that Obamacare was illegaly rammed through. The way the BailOuts were handled(There may be a try at giving more of them out, & I wouldn’t be surprised). He wants to get the U.S.A. on it’s knees financialy before he and his(OTHER COUNTRYMEN
    can try another ATTACT…

  • Dan

    What everyone is missing her is that the “Gun tracking” proposal came from the bottom up, with good reason.
    The Gun Rights/States Rights/”From My Cold Dead Hands” crowd has prevented any realistic control of military weapons within the U.S.
    Guns are and have been flowing across the southern border at the rate of 2,000 to 5,000 daily. The “Trace Attempt” involved about three hours traffic on a slow day.
    Virtually every weapon seized by the Mexican military originates in the U.S. Those seized to date fill several warehouses across northern Mexico.
    The guns you people are screaming about could fit in a small pickup truck. Every electronic tracing device available had been imbedded in those weapons.
    Clearly the drug cartels had sophisticated detection technology to locate and remove those devices, effecticely breaking the trail.
    From there it was simply a matter of moving those weapons singlly or in small packages 1,000 or 2,000 miles to a distant secure crossing.
    Getting contraband into Mexico is much easier than getting it into the U.S. Fly a light plane, or a large cargo plane along a remote section of the border on a legal flight between Brownsville, Laredo, Galveston or Houston to El Paso, las Cruces, Tucson, Nogales, or San Diego, or any other of the many airfields along the border.
    Drop to “Hedge hopping” altitude, swing below radar across the border and parachute the cargo to a group of waiting vehicles, or into a report house.
    With the resources of the U.S. we cannot totally seal our side.
    There is no way the Mexican army can seal off southbound traffic.
    With the drug cartels effective “Lead or Silver” system. “Take our Silver and join, or we will give you lead,” is how they deal with the police. Anyone who openly opposes them, they use the $2-BILLION annual income to kill all. Mayors, judges, police chiefs, priests, journalists, editors, publishers, broadcasters — everyone.
    Yes, the first attempt to trace the stream of weapons into Mexico failed, just as initial attempts to stop “Cocaine submarines” failed.
    Much of today’s problem can be traced back to Bush/Cheney’s ignoring of this problem for eight years as the Mexican cartels became established. $4-Trillion plus wasted on Iraq, while the drug trade exploded.

    • John Hand

      Another liberal saying ‘BUSH DID IT.” Look Dan, the Obama admin’s claim that they were going to track the guns back to the Mexican gangs was a fantasy claim from day one. There is/was NO WAY that anyone would be able to track those guns once they crossed the border. Visualize yourself as a plant, taking the guns across. You hand them off. Are they going to let you tag along, all the way back into the interior to some gang? No way. So how in the world could there possibly be any so called ‘operation.’? It is obvious, without a doubt, that this was a subterfuge to start a gun control program, first on the border, then nationwide. And you…you defend them boy as they take away your rights, one by one. Go on, say it again, BUSH DID IT!”

  • Mutantone

    I have to love the way as long as it were Mexicans it seems okay to Obama to do such an illegal act, for I am sure that Holder was acting on orders from higher up. It is all part of the Obama administrations efforts to ban guns inside the United States just look at Holders complaint that it was the lax gun laws that allowed it to happen not his agency’s doings but then what about the others in the administration knowing about it as well Rahm Emanuel reports that he knew about the operations while he was at the White House. Not only high caliber weapons but conversion kits to make semiautomatic weapons full auto, and explosives as well and the makings for grenades and an uncounted number of rocket launchers.
    Operation Gunrunner–in which the government authorized the sale of weapons with the intent of letting these weapons fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, which were used to Kill an American border agent, is just the side show the real action is in the other two operations that released three times as many weapons on to the streets, all in a concerted effort to usurp citizens rights.

    Operation Castaway–in which the government authorized the sale of weapons knowing they would fall into the hands of Honduran gangs, such as MS13 and the Mara Salvatrucha and the rival Mara 18, An estimated 20,590 people died violently here in the last five years, according to the Madrid-based nonprofit Observers of Violence in massive shoot outs to control the drug industry.

    Project Gangwalker the ATF and the DOF allowed the straw purchases of weapons which eventually ended up in the hands of United States gang members in Indiana” Operation Community Shield,” individuals are from El Salvador, three are from Mexico, one is from Honduras and one is from Haiti. ICE said the individuals are members or associates of the following street gangs: MS-13, Sur-13, and Zoe Pound.  Charged in connection with the shooting of an Indianapolis police officer last week are gang members, the Marion County Prosecutor’s Office Gonzalez-Ramirez is a member of the Puros Vatos Locos street gang, and Taboada-Perez is a member of the SCT-13 gang. Both have tattoos that express allegiance to those gangs, authorities said. and other weapons have been found at crime scenes in that state and surely have spread out from there to other gangs.

  • John Hand

    Too bad, because the liberals in the WH control the press. Remember Nixon and how they ran him out of office? Compared to his Watergate and the destruction of 13 minutes of tape, etc, they forced him to resign. But this gun scandal is much more serious, and from the liberal press, virtually nothing. And let’s not leave Hillary out of this. While she was making speeches a while back before this all came out about how the guns on the border needed to be controlled, the El Presidente of Mexico also made a speech on the subject, saying we were to blame for Mexican drug gangs having guns. Hillary might not have known all the details of Fast and Furious at that time, but she was complicit in the gun control attempt for sure, just as she and her husband were back in the 90s.


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