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The Drumbeats For War Grow Louder

August 9, 2010 by  

The Drumbeats For War Grow Louder

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Can you hear it?

It’s the drumbeat for war. And it’s beating louder by the day.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Eleven United States and one Israeli warships pass through the Suez Canal.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Former CIA Chief Michael Hayden says a United States military strike against Iran “seems inexorable” because diplomacy is failing.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen says the U.S. military has a plan to attack Iran.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives last week introduced Resolution 1553 which would give Israel the go-ahead to attack Iran. The resolution grants support for Israel to “…confront nuclear threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the use of military force…”

The neocons have never seen a war they couldn’t support, no matter the President’s party affiliation.

Boom. Boom. Boom.

The end is near—so President Barack Obama tells us—for former President George Bush’s incursion into Iraq. He said last week that America’s combat mission in Iraq will end by Aug. 31. But that doesn’t mean all troops will come home. There will still be 50,000 there as August turns into September. And it’s going to be 18 more months before they all come home… if he sticks to his timeline.

We can only hope 50,000 troops are enough to prevent that governmentless nation from descending further into chaos.

For those troops that do come home, it appears they will only be home long enough to change their underwear and restock their ammunition belts before heading off to another Mideast hellhole to die… for what?

To blow up suspected nuclear sites, even though a 2007 U.S National Intelligence Estimate said that Iran had halted work on developing a nuclear warhead in 2003. Meanwhile, an unclassified military report submitted to Congress in April concluded, “Iran is developing technological capabilities applicable to nuclear weapons and, at a minimum, is keeping the option to develop nuclear weapons,” as The Washington Post reported.

A May report by the United Nations’ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran hasn’t sufficiently cooperated to allow the agency to determine if Iraq’s nuclear activities are solely for peaceful activities.

Conflicting stories of weapons of mass destruction: Haven’t we heard this before… during the lead up to the invasion of Iraq?

If HR 1553 were to pass and Israel does strike at Iran’s nuclear reactors and nuclear sites, what then? If Iran strikes back—which President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad has said they would—and is joined by Syria, Lebanon and Hezbollah, would the U.S. then be obligated to intervene?

It would seem so. And what would be the result of such a conflagration?

Obama has pledged America’s undying support of Israel no matter what… even if he did treat Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu badly during his visit to the White House earlier this year. And Israel maintains it is convinced that Iran is working to acquire nuclear weapons.

Much of the international community also seems convinced Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon. The feckless U.N. Security Council has been trying to agree on sanctions against Iran for some time. China and Russia continue to hold out.

But aren’t Americans growing sick of war? Apparently the political class isn’t.

Nine years later we remain in Afghanistan, NATO allies are abandoning us and more and more of our troops are dying. Obama, with no clear-cut strategy to fight what he considers the good war, vows to continue fighting on, and any timelines he may mention mean little.

Seven years later we are still in Iraq, and at least a few thousand troops will remain there for the foreseeable future. Nineteen years later we’re still in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, even though the first Persian Gulf War supposedly ended with a good outcome.

Sixty-four years later we still have troops stationed throughout Eastern Europe and in Japan. Fifty-seven years later we still have troops stationed in South Korea. That war has not ended—no official peace treaty ever signed—and there have even been some drumbeats sounding from there. Just not as loud… yet.

But the recent U.S.-South Korea joint air and sea military exercises in the Sea of Japan intended to send a message to a recalcitrant North Korea—who has been accused of torpedoing a South Korean ship—antagonized China. And who can blame them?

What would we think if China or Russia conducted military exercises in the Gulf of Mexico or off the coast of New York or San Francisco? Either Obama and the Pentagon were naive to the implications of conducting war games in the area, or they conducted them intending to raise tensions in the area.

Boom. Boom.

According to the think tank Foreign Policy In Focus, there were 865 Pentagon-confirmed U.S. troop base sites located off U.S. soil in 2009. But this number doesn’t include all of the bases being used in Iraq and Afghanistan—as many as 150 more.

There are 268 bases in Germany, 124 in Japan and 87 in Korea. Others are scattered around the globe in Aruba, Australia, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Colombia, Greece, Djibouti, Egypt, Qatar, Romania, Singapore and Cuba, to name just a few.

The bases are draining our economy of billions of dollars a year. Isn’t it time we ended Empire America? Isn’t it time we brought our troops home?

There would still be work for them to do. Our border with Mexico is under assault.

But the military-industrial complex might not be as happy about that. Stopping Mexican paramilitary units and drug cartel thugs isn’t as lucrative as dropping bunker busters on Iran and North Korea… and maybe China.

BOOM. BOOM. BOOM.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Al Sieber

    So it’s history repeating it self, again.

    • dan az

      Sounds like world war three

      • http://www.PureHeartsInternational.com Geoff Pace

        WW III ? You’re behind the times, man! More like WWW V. We’ve had Vietnam, and Gulf War Parts I & @ in the interim. What makes a war a WORLD war? Simple. When you involve the WHOLE world in your quest for domination. At this rate, we WILL owe Japan an apology! And it won’t be just Obama-ites who will do it! It will be ourselves crying “Uncle” as the Third World countries amass themselves and gain audience at our doors as they are doing at this very moment to the South West for starters!Unless Providence has mercy on we the sinners, our Goose is Cooked!
        (POST SCRIPT: Do see any mention of the likes of a great “Isle of the Sea” from our hemisphere of the world made mention of in the Bible during this final battle?…didn’t think so…)

        • Mike

          Hey Geoff, First of all get your name changed, please. It tells your sad story before your even begin. You are off the pace buddy. I think you should use something like G.Iamsodumb, it has a nice ring to it, don’t you think? Oh! that’s right, you don’t because you hold on to your myopic like a baby bottle, there… there… everything is going to be alright, just go back to sleep. But first let me help you. First..YES We Have always been At War, SINCE the beginning because the world has always been mostly full of dumb bells like yourself who cannot understand that the (globalist) elite want to use everyone who is willing, as Donkeys while they make lots of MONEY and live the life of Riley while others go off to die “for the cause” because war is hot and heavy. You never see the elite running out into the street with guns do you? Our politicians have learned how to manipulate us and the system, so they can steal from us, keeping the TAXPAYER under their boot heel. As long as the printing presses keep running off Monopoly money everyone is happy when they are exchanging this worthless paper for Gold. Problem is all the giveaways will become go-aways when there are no jobs to feed the donkeys.

          • Loto

            Mike, please make your point without attacking people. It’s not necessary and he has as much right to his opinion as you do – whether you agree with it, or not! Just make your point and go about your business. It is further unecessary to dis someone else’s name – makes you seem immature and trite. Peace!

          • http://Google Emilio

            Excelent coment, almost everything been said, the Mosquitos will continue to suck until there is noire blood. Good day.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Mike, we have always been at war, because the only way to peace is through force. Thats it. You will not get peace with diplomacy. You will not get peace with pacifism and appeasement. You only gain peace through force, and that is the way it has always been, and they way it always will be, until the end of this life on earth. Get used to it. If your not willing to fight for your freedom, I guarantee you, you will not have it long.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Mike, I tend to agree with most of what you said. However, what did Geoff say that set you off so?

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Hey Mike.. I totally agree with youand appreciate the clrity in which you stated the current (and historic) state of affairs. However I don;t really understand the attack on Geoff, but what the hell.
            Now..

            Beberoni.. you can only get peace through force?? WTF!!!! Obviously you’ve never tried to get a kid to eat something they don’t want.. I made my kid eat a chinese dinner she ordered while we were in Disney Land.(read expensive) As she finished it she gave me this look like there was a demon lurking beneath that angelic exterior and proceeded to puke 5 times what she ate all over the table.. yeah I won that round. Sorry Beberoni.. you are so wrong with that assessment. I know it’s a popular one and people have been trying since the beginning of time to dominate by force.. England tried with the States..but show me where it’s ever worked in history. Negotiation has never worked because negotiation was never tried honestly.. It’s typically tried when there is a less powerful group giving a dominant group a real hard time… then the dominant group says “let’s negotiate” hoping to screw the less powerful group under the guise of diplomacy.. look at the US government and the native americans or Israel and Palestine. No Beberoni..that mind set just sucks you into the dominant model the NWO people would love to have you believe..like when they’re using it on others you don’t agree with… however, you’re opinion will change….specially when they come to use force on you.

          • bilbo81670

            Duende says:
            August 10, 2010 at 2:37 pm-I do believe you have a major flaw in your logic. Every major conflict in the history of mankind has either been solved by violence or the threat of violence. Negotiations won’t work if you can’t back them up.

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            bilbo81670

            You say we’ve resolved conflicts with war? We’ve been in one conflict going to another.. we label some of those moment as being world wars or korean wars or what ever but it’s just one continuous conflict with threads from one being taken into the tapestry of the next. The whole mode of thought that we can achieve peace through war is incorrect. One of these days when there’s nothing but nuclear wasteland and people are trying to catch 7 legged rabbits we may get the message that it didn’t work. Wasn’t Christ trying to tell us that? (for the most part). He had two commandments.. love god and love each other. Some will try to distort that and try to convince you war is love, but not on my watch.

          • Michael J.

            Duende,
            To your comment on negotiating peace, I have a two word response, Neville Chamberlain.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to duende. Compare apples to apples please. Im talking about world peace. Peace between warring nations. Im not talking about feeding your kid cats and dogs. You want to feed your kid chinese food, great, go for it. But dealing with your kid, and getting them to understand peace, just isnt the same as trying to get Adoph Hitler, Saddam Hussein, or Islamic terrorist to understand. You cannot deal with them. You cannot talk with them. You cannot barter with them. You either stand back and let them punch you in the nose continually, ala Bill Clinton, or you man up, kick their butt, and hit them with the door on their way out. Thats it man. There is no other way to peace. In all the nations of the world that have had conflict, peace only came through the force of war. You can stick your head in the sand and act like its not true, but sorry pal, you cannot change facts or history. Thats how it is. But you totally turned my statements around, like a good liberal. Have a good day.

        • Tom Greco

          Their is much in the bible regarding the U.S. and England, and others. You need to find the 10 lost tribes. Hint..they are the “People of Omri”
          Named after one of their last Kings. Scotland has a supporting document saying “WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO CROSSED THE RED SEA” Also read Jerimiah, He took the top leaves of the cedar tree and went North and went West.(NW) Check out Midnight call ministries and the Real Truth ministries. Don’t get crazy, our relationship to Christ is the main thing and the plain thing.

        • jimminety bop

          Hey Geoff, I don’t know about you but I am tired of being the nice guy. I am sick and tired of pouring money and man power in to every country but our own. I am tired of fighting limited wars.
          If you and anyone else thinks that we should bring all the troops home, I can go along with that. BUT then we should tell the entire world that we are doing so, and from now on we will mnd our own business BUT if there is one act of aggression against any American interest we will unleash the dogs of war without regard to who we kill.
          I, for one, am sick of seeing this country groveling and crawling because if we do this then so and so may do that. The hell with THEM!
          I would rather take my chance at standing up on my hind legs so that I could live in peace and if I die in that attempt then I have at least done my best, I have tried. Give Me Liberty oor Give Me death may not be such a bad policy.
          But maybe, Geoff, you would rather kiss anyone’s butt just so you could live and take up space that would be better serve mankind if it were occupied by someone with guts!
          You disgust me!

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            It’s time to bring our troops home. It’s time that they stopped dying for people who primarily could care less. Those people have been at war with one another for 4,000 years and it’s not going to end until God calls an end to time. I absolutely do not trust our government to have our best interests or the best interests of our young men and women in the armed forces at heart. Yes, bring them home then tell the rest of the world that if they don’t leave us alone that we can and will make them glow for a thouseand years or so.

          • American Citizen

            Can anyone name a treaty that any of those warmongering countries like Russia have kept? I don’t trust China either. Our present president shows what we have become in relation to countries that don’t have our best interests at heart. I wish someone had kicked his butt when he had it in the air.

          • Vippy

            Buts is associated with being a bully? We are the bully in the world and we don’t spread democracy for we don’t have it at home. We are creating terrorists as we go. Do you really think killing someone’s family gains us admiration and friends? And do tell me why we fought in Iraq or for that matter in Afghanistan or Vietnam, what did we gain? And no one had attacked us.

      • Willie Peet

        The two contenders should duke it out.

        We should leave it alone.

      • kate8

        What could be more perfect for Obama and his NWO handlers than to send all of our troops off fighting foreign wars, out of their way and getting slaughtered, while Obama completes the dismantling of our nation here at home. With our military otherwise occupied, and ever-increasing numbers of foreign troops on US soil (answering to Obama) and waiting for orders, not to mention a thoroghly despirited, discouraged and disenfranchised citizenry…we’re ripe for the picking, so to speak.

        I have no doubt that some kind of havoc is being planned for us here in America. After all, our Muslim usurper and his pal Imadinnerjacket have been looking forward to this opportunity. I don’t doubt for one moment that all the leaders, on all sides, are in on it.

        • http://Google Emilio

          Why blaming Obama for whatever happens to our Country, Just happens that until yesterday no boddy new who Obama was, now poor Obama is getting the blame for whatever is hapening, does some foues, ever got lucky enogh to go to kinder Garden? Cause there we received the most basic par of our education, obviously many did not have the chance to be in Kinder……., good bye.

          • Beepster

            Obama is blamed because he says one thing and does another. HE is SUPPOSED to be the leader of this country. He’s not. His strings are being pulled by George Soros.

          • barbm

            Why (are you) blaming Obama for whatever happens to our (c)Country,(?) Just happens that until yesterday (nobody) no boddy (knew) new who Obama was, now poor Obama is getting the blame for whatever is (happening) hapening,(.) (do) does some (God only knows what this is supposed to be – folks, maybe?)foues, ever (get) got lucky (enough) enogh to go to (kindergarten) kinder Garden? (Because)Cause there we received the most basic (part) par of our education,(.) obviously many did not have the chance to be in (k)Kinder……., good bye.

            Emilio, where did you get your education? Not only are you defending an idiot, you can’t do it with proper English, punctuation, grammar, or spelling.

          • vicki

            Most of us learned about Obama 2+ years ago. Hardly “yesterday” in human terms. Now in cosmic terms the entire planet has not even been here since “yesterday”

          • jimminety bop

            Yeah Emile, and you sound like you were one of them!

          • http://yahoo.com Gisela

            Emilio would you please read up on Obama. He is not what he seems but he sure has a lot of people fooled including you.Please educate yourself about him you will change your mind.

          • mikey

            What the hell is that gibberish? What you posted made no sense at all.

          • Robert

            Until yesterday no body knew who obama was??? He’s been in office for almost 2 years, has been mocked, ridiculed and derided by all governments of this earth as a total farce, the laughing stock of the world of polotics.
            Emilio, get your head out of his ass long enough to fing out the truth of what the world really thinks about obama, “The Chosen One”. he’s a lAUGHING STOCK.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I wont blame him fur huked on fonics not wurking fur you.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And right now, if what he has done isnt bad enough allready, he has Gates closing down the major military command center in Norfolk, and using as an excuse that they are trimming the budget. Sorry, but you dont cut down the military and intelligence when your under attack by terrorists coming out of the woodwork. Look what happened when Bill Clinton did this same thing. They blew up the basement of the World Trade Centers the first time. They blew up the USS Cole. They blew up and dropped the World Trade Centers, pretty much because they were allowed to roam free and set up their plans because Clinton cut our intelligence and military in half, to cook the books and tell everyone how wonderfully he was balancing the budget with smoke and mirrors. Well, thats what you get with these guys, and they are going to make it happen to us again. By the time we vote them out in 2012, something will be pretty close to going kaboom, and the liberal press will blame the next one in office, which will be someone of a different party than democrat, because they have really screwed up bad this time. Shame on them.

          • Kinetic1

            Funny then that the Bush administration was warned about Osama bin Laden when they took over, and that they seem to have chosen to ignore the PDB about the attacks. The failure to act on information leading up to 9/11 was not Clinton’s. Within his first month or two in office, Bush had abandoned peace talks in the middle east and in North Korea. This was the beginning of heightened tensions in both regions. Richard Clarke’s warnings about al-Qaeda were ignored and his position was downgraded. CIA chiefs George Tenet and James Pavitt also warned the Bush administration about al-Qaeda and were also ignored. Tenet then warns the Senate Intelligence Committee that al-Qaeda is “the most immediate and serious threat” to national security. A proposal for a cabinet level Department of Homeland Security is suggested and the administration does nothing.

            Skip forward to April, when the Bush administration finally holds its first deputy secretary-level conference on terrorism. Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz “scoffs” at focusing on al-Qaeda. He’s certain they are under Iraq’s control, besides which he is busy having 600,000 military berets destroyed because they were made in China.

            It’s May and “disregarding the Hart-Rudman report on terrorism, Bush announces that Vice President Cheney will study the issue and that anti-terrorism will be handled by the Office of National Preparedness, under FEMA – but at the same time, Bush proposes to cut $200 million from FEMA’s budget.” What was that about Clinton cutting funds and leaving us unprepared?

            Moving on, “during Bush’s August vacation, alarmed officials at the CIA sent a group of analysts to Crawford to speak directly to the president on the threat of a terrorist attack. Bush was not impressed. After the briefing, he scornfully told one of the CIA men “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.” Minneapolis FBI agents working on the Moussaoui case warn FBI Headquarters that al-Qaeda may be planning to hijack a plane overseas and then use it to attack Washington. French intelligence informs the FBI that the arrested flight school student Moussaoui has “Islamic extremist beliefs.” FBI investigators working on the case begin to suspect that Islamists could be planning a terrorist attack involving hijacker-pilots seizing control of airliners – in a memo to FBI Headquarters one of the Minneapolis agents writes that he wanted to make sure that Moussaoui “did not take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center.”

            How does the Bush administration respond? Come early September, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld threatens to urge a veto if the Senate diverts $600 million from missile defense to counter-terrorism. Attorney General Ashcroft rejects a proposed $58 million increase in FBI counterterrorist funding, instead suggesting a $65 million dollar CUT in local counterterrorism funding. And “After being ignored for weeks, California Senator Feinstein contacts Vice President Cheney’s office to check on the status of urgent proposals for counterterrorism reforms that she submitted on JULY 20. An aide tells her that it could take Cheney another six months to get around to reviewing the material.”

            These are the actions taken by the BUSH administration leading up to 9/11. There is no doubt that the FBI failed on many levels, but this was not due to budget cuts. They had the information, but chose to ignore it over and over. What information did make it’s way to the White House (and clearly there was plenty) was also ignored. The Clinton administration warned the incoming administration about bin Laden from day one. The FBI was aware of the movements of the hijackers months before 9/11. There were warnings that the FBI was not capable of dealing with terrorism. Noting was done for 9 months, despite all the warnings. 9/11 belongs to Bush.

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1,
            Do you use kenetic energy to move the keys without actually touching them? Because if not, your fingers must be mighty sore after such a long post.

            But seriously though, Obama is now president, not Bush. You should focus your investigative prowess on the current administration, or does your super kenetic googling skills only function in left wing mode? In other words, do your skills parallel your ideology or are you interested in pursuing the truth wherever it might lead?
            Set your sights on the current POTUS and you will find a target rich environment.

          • Kinetic1

            Michael J,
            Sorry about the length of my post, I’m just tired of hearing about 9/11 being all Clinton’s fault.
            As for President Obama, I voted for him, I support some of what he has done and I am disappointed in others. I never expect an elected official to be everything advertised, but I had really hoped to see certain things done that have not come to pass. Needless to say, my concerns are likely different than many others on this sight and I do not hold the view that this has all been an elaborate plot 50 years in the making. Still, I do keep an eye on what is going on and look for answers when I have questions. I’m not always pleased, but I continue to look.

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1,
            Sounds like buyers remorse, will you vote for him again?

          • Sea Captain

            Bush can have his other son Jeb continue the contract on America

          • Kinetic1

            Michael J,
            As with most elections, it will depend on who’s running. I’d like to vote for a third party, but I can’t run the risk of another Bush in the White House. I sure would like to see instant runoff instituted. For those who don’t know (though I doubt there are many) this would allow you to pick your first and second choice. Should you take a chance and vote your conscience, no problem. If your 3rd party candidate looses, your vote goes to you alternate. Now Nader or Perot can run without mucking things up!

          • Patsy Cochran

            Kinetic, I hate to burst your bubble, but a good portion of the 9-11 attack does belong to Clinton. While he was in office he had several opportunities to capture bin Laden and did not take them. I believe the number of times he actually had opportunity was six. He CHOSE not to capture him and I believe the reason has to do with the fact that bin Lade comes from a very powerful family in Saudi Arabia. Several of the times that he had opportunity was when he(Clinton) was being publicly attacked for his licentious behavior. So much of Clinton’s time in office was taken up by his lying presense before a grand jury and subsequent impeachment that he did not have time for national security. Even after the attack on the USS Cole and we lost American lives Clinton was pretty much impotent and did next to nothing about the attack.

            Each president in our history had good and bad traits, however, I have yet to see any good traits in our current president.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We knew about and were warned about Bin Laden, far, far before that. In fact, he was offered to the Clinton cabinet 3 different times, and they were scared and wouldnt take him. Clinton is the one that cut intellingence so that there wasnt the man power to keep track of these guys. Clinton was the one that kept letting them punch us in the nose and did nothing. No sir, this is all on him, always has been, and always will be.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Sounds wild but sure has a ring of truth to it. Look for Obama’s National Police Force (read that Brown Shirts) to come on the scene soon – especially if he wins re-election or declare’s martial law. Did you ever think that one of the reasons for not clamping down on the Southwest border is so that terror cells can get established, hit us hard, then allow him to declare martial law?

          • Denise

            I have thought exactly that, Jerry. Funny you should state it here.

          • MikeC

            Jerry, I had a thought this morning when opening my morning stock trader emails…”Capitalize on Mexico’s crumbling Oil Industry”…is the drug war the planned beginning stages of the empire heading south.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            I believe all of this with the border is intended to move us toward the North American Union. Google it and see how it’s being set up. They even have a name for the new currency for the NAU. Ultimately, the goal is to effectively do away with the borders between Canada, the US and Mexico.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Yep, Kate8…your stating it how it is once again. Still blows me away that peeps are still clueless to the truth of what’s going on out there. People, go ahead & read Daniel Estulin’s book, The True Story of the Bilderbergs or even Alex Jones, End Game.

          They are not works of fiction…truth & facts compiled together. They will open your eyes to the truth.

          Wake up, World.

    • refuse2lose

      It’s almost like we are living in an alternative universe….. when was the last time a Nobel Peace Prize winner beat the drums of war? I thought this guy Obama was the anti-Bush, everything Bush wasn’t? Seems to me we have a guy in office who talks out of his anus because his mouth knows better.

      • Dogma-Free

        He still answers to the same people Dubya did.
        I just find it funny how badly the far-right would like you to believe ‘the end is nigh’. So much fear-mongering.

        But then, they were able to use it against their own people so effectively before during the Bush administration…just like Goebbels used it so effectively to control the will of their people in Germany back in the 30′s and 40′s.

        History truly does repeat itself…that is, if we choose to forget the lessons learned.

        • kate8

          Well, Dogma-, if you believe that history repeats itself, then consider that life on Earth gets wiped out every 6 or 7 thousand years, like clockwork. And guess where we are now in that cycle. This is not a Christian concept, although scripture speaks of it in ways few understand. All esoteric teachings speak of these cycles.

          It seems that there are always a few who survive to start over.

          It’s time we stop thinking so small, and thinking that Earth is the center of the Universe. We are an invisible speck in a system more vast, and perfectly ordered, than we can comprehend. Cycles of birth, sustenance, death and rebirth is how ALL things work. We are better off to honor the Laws of the Universe, and pray for safe passage, than to go down that old worn road of massive conflict. It’s all being manipulated, as it always is, and we are all pawns being shuffled around for the amusement of the elite…

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Surely you don’t buy into that uniformitarian crap!

          • Robert

            Kate8,
            Was it you that said the world (Earth)is not the center of the Universe and for all to get a grip? Basically? Love you for that one. Maybe it will put people back into perspective about what is really important. But the truth is, what happens on Earth, in OUR COUNTRY, effects alot of people, so do not go to the celestial age deal and try to triviolize our opinions of obama, he is the scourge of the heavens if that suits you better. He wil steal your bright sunny days and refill them with hazy gloom. Does that work for you? Because that is the “Blossoming Truth” of his universe of america. I refuse to capitalize his america

          • BrotherPatriot

            Yes, Jerry D…what kate8 is saying is the simple truth. It’s so simple and horrible…that people still don’t wanna believe it’s true.

            But it is.

            Go do some research and read up on who the Fuedalist, Elites are that she is talking about. But I will summerize here for you…and perhaps you can research whether I’m correct with the below statement and this may get you rolling on your own awakening.

            Without going into the deeper history of it…I’ll pick up at where the Rothschild got their start w/their enormous wealth. When Napolean was about to be defeated, a rumor got started in London that Napolean won the war. This caused everyone to sell their stocks at pennies on the dollar. Rothschild bought them all up and then 20 hours later when the truth came that Napolean actually was defeated…England found itself with a major new player who owned virtually everything…the Rothschild family. So in essense these Elites established themselves through lies and deceit. That is how they worked then…and how they work things now.

            That above is a very short, abbreviated, synopsis of who the Bilderberg Virus people are…not very pretty, IMO and not who I want to form a one world order to rule us all. I say NO to the NWO…!!!

            Once again, good work kate8…if we keep bantering about this…perhaps it will help wake some people up to the truth. :)

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            I wasn’t referring to the part about the Rothchilds et al, but about the billions of years old stuff. I am fully aware that there is a small elite that runs the economy of this world and that they want a full takeover. But, thanks for taking the time to give the information.

        • Beepster

          If you aren’t the least bit fearful of what’s happening on this planet, then you live in a rosy fantasy world. And that’s not fear-mongering.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Im on the right, and I dont believe the end is real near yet. And it wont be until my Father in Heaven says so. Its getting close, as all the prophecies are fulfilled, except for the lawless one being revealed. When he is, the muslim golden domed mosque in Israel will be torn down. Then you will know its almost time, but by then, for some, it will already be too late.

          • Kinetic1

            We have heard the end times speech so many times that I can’t imagine living my life in expectation of the end. It seems that “religious experts” have come out of the wood work in the last and first decade of the last three centuries, spouting prophecy and pointing to evidence that the end is near. I don’t mean to belittle those who believe in a literal scripture, but it’s not unlike followers of Astrology pointing out how accurate the days predictions are. It’s easy to look around and find world events that fit into prophecy, but that doesn’t mean it’s time.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Everyword of it has been true, and every prophecy was laid down pretty clear, and answered pretty darn clear. Its all there, but I do understand, that if one’s eyes arent opened, they cant see it. I know, I used to be one of them. Have a good day.

      • William

        Didn’t W Bush get a prize for attacking Iraq and Afghanistan?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          If he had George Soros owning him like the democrats, he would have bought him a Nobel prize also.

    • dini

      evil needs to be watched. also do u have any clue. if a nuke is set off in the upper atmosphere over the country . EVERYTHING involving electric etc STOPS PERIOD. the grid destroyed. NO cars, phones tv water food NOTHING . think of that when u want to let these nuts over there do what they want. THE AMERICAN empire as it was put. STANDS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM.
      but i guess we are supposed to be ok with exacutions because u looked at a man or u are christian, or a child texted a boy, or u want to be free and not starve under a tyrant socialist.
      and yes all the libs will be hurt too.

      • dini

        these evil nuts iran etc need to be wiped off the face of the earth

        • kate8

          Yes, dini, but consider this: This grid system that has been set up to control everything, including holding us in absolute slavery, can only be stopped if the grid is wiped out.

          There is no way man can ever build such technology and use it only for good. He will always use it for evil and enslavement, because he can. Nothing built by man is ever permanent. Evil always self-destructs.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Evil men manage to corrupt everything. It’s always been that way and always will be until the King returns.

          • BrotherPatriot

            I agree…we as a Nation should already have put into place the technology that allows the “grid” to survive a EMP and other forms of attack. A redundancy that is both above & below ground, etc., for example. This hasn’t been done because “they” do not want us protected. Proof…they want to reduce the world population and sow discord…not create faith & goodwill.

            These fuedalist, Elites are real degenerates and think they know what’s best for us. The kind of Karma they have been building…I sure wouldn’t want to be one of them when it catches up to ‘em.

      • MikeC

        dini, It’s called an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) and several countries have that technology! Infact, Bob Livingston writes about it in his book. Coronal Mass Ejection(CME)or solar flares do the same thing, but up to 1000 times stronger in some cases. Stop fear mongering! Get prepared, stock up on food and water, and back-up all your files. The US has that technology…would you argue we should be attacked. Get a grip!

    • Duane williams

      Iran like Iraq does NOT have nuclear weapons!! Not anymore than Iraq had weapons of mass destruction…a false flag to take away more of our freedoms…A far greater threat is being considered to be used against us!!! Please have a look, and forward widely!!!

      If you love life at all…you had better see this all the way through!!!!! Your life depends on it!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm3PYZ0N7Dg&feature=player_embedded

      S510 Makes It Illegal to Grow, Share, Trade, or Sell Homegrown Food
      Google S510 to read the extent of the Monsanto bill!!!!

      • kate8

        Duane, I posted this bill on Friday. Hardly anyone bothered to read it then, and I doubt they will now, either.

        It’s unbelievable how people seem to care so little about this. The elites are siezing control of our food, right down to outlawing home gardens, in order to use “food” to make us sick(er). Monsanto has been striving to control crops for years, too, and they now have “insiders” in Congress and the FDA.

        There are groups who’ve been fighting this legislation for years, but WHO wants it done, and the bills just come back faster and worse than before.

        • Halbert

          Kate8 post a link please……….

        • Angel Wannabe

          Kate8, While I don’t trust out Government either, I did read over the bill, s510, and I didn’t notice anything, stating they would stop, home gardens. __It seems to me they’re speaking mainly of imported food. __What I think it is, (I may be wrong), it may be the US authorities are, readying some kind of plan, in case of a food born, bio terrosist attack.-God Bless

        • Al Sieber

          kate8, I read your post Friday and discussed it with the guy at the health food store. I have a big garden, and I’m not giving it up.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Al Sieber, I’m not given mine up either, this Government has plain gone mad__Can anyone say _ROME?!!

      • bilbo81670

        Here is the link through GovTrack-http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-510&tab=summary. This bill will not outlaw homegrown food. In fact, it states implicitly, that farms are exempt. It is about tracking imported and processed foods, not outlawing homegrown food.

  • s c

    America has been a dupe in the redistribution of wealth via ‘international patriotism’ for many years. The world’s master string pullers have been able to pick and choose from an unending list of puppets, including the current denizens of the White House.
    War is a great money maker for central bankers and false religious icons and their chums. It lets them buy votes and pick and choose from an international list of countries to play ‘host’ to the next war(s). It’s entirely possible that a war with Mexico is on the table, done in the name of ‘protecting’ America from the influence of drugs, arms and fast wealth.
    It does seem more than strange, though, since the open borders issue has NEVER been important to our geniuses in Washington. I suppose some will say that Mexico isn’t that far off, so it’s not like we’re involved in another Vietnam (actually, we are, and it’s called Afghanistan).
    If this is the way America will continue to dive into madness, then America is long overdue for a complete overhaul of its leaders and what it takes to get to Washington. How long does it take to understand that it’s not possible to buy leadership or a “good” government?
    When American “leaders” chose to ignore the Monroe Doctrine, a Pandora’s Box was opened. As long as international puppet masters are allowed to pick and choose what America does and where it goes
    to ‘spread democracy,’ we have no choice but to look at America as the world’s ‘cop.’ And, while we can’t yet feel the chains that enslave America, they’re there, and they’re getting heavier every day.

    • Al Sieber

      Afghanistan is Obama’s Vietnam. Iran is not a push over, they have 10,000 “Sunburn Missiles” pointed at Israel and who knows what else. I wonder why Israel never signed the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty? and what’s the Israeli Lobby’s role in this? and what is Israels real relationship with Russia?

      • dan az

        Looks like russia is playing goth sides against the center.guess where they learned that one.

        • Al Sieber

          dan az, weren’t we discussing this very same topic this past weekend?

          • dan az

            hey al
            yep its moving alot faster than I thought

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Al sieber,
        If you were Israiel, would you sign it when almost every middle eastern country wants to see it blasted to glass???

        • Al Sieber

          JoeH, there’s probably few people here that really knows the real story of Israel, and who the Zionists are, and that we have people with dual citizenship running our country. check out the website: iamthewitness. Israel is not who you think they are. I’m done with this comment.

          • Dave

            Nice conspiracy theory. Do you believe everything you read? Why are people so quick to blame Jews for things?

          • Only in America

            Al Sieber, I probably disagree with you more than not, but I agree that things are not how they appear. There are a good number off illegal Israelis and Chinese in the US. They are doing somethings the illegal Mexicans aren’t they are spying and manipulating the government and wall street.

          • kate8

            Dave, it took me a long time to understand this thing about the Zionists. They are not truly of the Jewish people, but are “counterfeit Jews”, if you will.

            Do some research on the House of Rothschild, which began the Zionist movement. Rothschild, aka Braun, are not descended of Jews, but of Edomites. They have always been about wealth and power, and controlling the world through their wealth. They are evil to the core, and are the NWO.

            The Jewish people are not to blame for this. But it’s the Zionists who are in control.

            This is not conspiracy theory. This is known fact. If you care to learn it.

          • vicki

            As a known fact I am sure you can provide links to your research. :)

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I know who Israel is, without a doubt. They are God’s chosen people. And that is why they are constantly under attack and being persecuted, because frankly speaking, just as in the old Biblical times, they are still disobediant to Him. He sent His son, and they rejected him. There are some messianic Jews who now know, but as a whole, they still reject Him who came for them. But God will always save a remnant of them, always. And the minute we turn our back on them, were done. Toast. Finished. And if we do, by the time you figure out I was right, it will be far too late.

          • kate8

            Vicki, I could go back and dig up links for you but, as it was some time ago, I’d have to spend a lot of time finding them.

            What you believe is up to you. If you care enough, you could research it yourself, just as I did. I spent a very long time uncovering this information, because I wanted to know. There is a lot of stuff out there to sift through, and there is still much to learn.

            BTW, where is JeffH? He has many such links. I can always count on him to come to the rescue when someone wants links. Bless him.

          • Vicki

            Thanks Kate8 I will attempt to find out more. I know the problem too cause even though I post links here to backup my points I am very bad about recording them for future debates. I need to make a site or blog or something to keep them in :)

          • libertytrain

            Vicki – if possible for yourself, just open a Word Doc. and post them there – keep it on your desktop so that you can open and add to them easily.

        • Al Sieber

          JoeH, I think every one that has a “Nuke” should be accountable, that’s all. but I guess it doesn’t work like that.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          When it comes to nukes, Israel has the third or fourth largest arsenal in the world. They have an estimated 350 ICBMs – each tipped with MIRVs. In practical terms, they have enough nukes with long enough range to wipe out 90 percent of the Muslim world. Obviously, they don’t want use those nukes unless their existence is threatened. However, if that happens, they have the will to do just that.

      • MsAmericanPatriot

        Why hasn’t Israel signed it? Because they dont want to give up the nukes they have. Thats why.

        • Al Sieber

          MsAmericanPatriot, thank you. if people were to listen to speeches by Mecham Begin, and Ariel Sharon, they would see that Israel wants to rule the world.

          • Verne Simon

            Israel doesn’t want to rule the world. It just wants to maintain its’ own sovereignty within its defined borders. But then I suppose you wouldn’t want you to give up your prejudices for established facts.

          • Al Sieber

            Verne Simon, what the hell are you making this a racial issue for? is that as far as your little mind can think?

          • Keeper

            obama wants to rule the world,

          • Al Sieber

            Good one Keeper.

          • Michael J.

            Al Sieber,
            If Iran gave up the persuit for nukes and Hezbolah stopped revving up the Palestinians to fire missiles into Israel, that would be the end of the violence.
            On the other hand, if Israel were to give up it’s defensive shield of nuclear weapons, that would be the end of Israel.

          • Dave

            The statement that Israel wants to rule the world is ridiculous and ignorant. Judaism is not a race, it’s a religion, so no one is calling you a racist. They’re saying you’re anti-semitic. Unless you want Israel to rule the world then that’s exactly what you are, an anti-semite. Calling you anything else would make me as ignorant as you. Israel is surrounded by enemies. They are only defending themselves. They don’t always make the best decisions but who does?

          • THOMAS STEWART

            Al Sieber Isreal Is Tired Of Other Countries Including USA The Manchurian Pres Obama Whom Is Very Useless, Yikees, He Can Not Tell The Truth And Isreal Has Been Lied Too, So They Can See Thru Our Paperless Pres, Yikees, The USA Needs Isreals Help And Vice-Versa. With The Paperless Pres Obama In Charge Of Our Secrets And In Bed With Every Muslim Country, Yikees, We Our Fighting A War Now With Obama Conditions “If Any Civilians Appear Where We Meet The Taliban, Now Get This, Our Troops Are To Break Contact And Retreat” Yikees, Sarah Palin Has It Right Pres Obama Has No Balls For Anything Military.

          • http://GOGGLE vaksal

            Isreal? wolves in sheeps colthing? look who controls our elected officals in washington.they are ruling this nation as a colony,via aipac and their lobbist nationwide.keep up the truth AL sieber,its wakeup time.for the american republic.

          • Granny Mae

            Thomas,

            What the HELL did you just say? Man I can’t make hide nor hair of it !

          • Al Sieber

            Dave, who said anything about blaming the Jews? you did. you call me a anti Semite? what is a true Semite? do you believe everything you read? apparently you do. you twist my words, saying I blame the Jews, I never mentioned the Jews, did I? the Jews follow the Torah, the Zionists follow the Talmud, read the Talmud, and go to the website: Jews for the true Torah, and Jews for Jesus Christ. do you know how many Jews are against the state of Israel? I grew up in a Catholic/ Jewish family, and when I was growing up a lot of Jews I knew didn’t want the state of Israel until their true Messiah came. listen to the speeches of Ariel Sharon, and Mecham Begin and read parts of the Talmud before you judge me, maybe then you’ll know who wants to rule the world. and thanks to all of you who understand where I’m coming from, and God bless you.

          • Al Sieber

            Oh yeah Dave, you are ignorant because you don’t do the research, I’m not ignorant because I’m still learning, thirsty for knowledge

        • az

          Can you blame them? Without nucleur weapons Israel would be left totally vulnerable.

          • Al Sieber

            az., no I don’t blame them, it goes farther then we know.

          • JRC

            And all the nuclear weapons will not help them if they attack Iran. Iran today is able with what they have to wipe Israel of the map..if they want too. They can simply overwhelm the Israeli anti missile defense and smother it with biological and chemical weapons. They know that Israel will respond..or will attempt to respond with nukes once the missiles come in, so they will make sure that everyone of those missiles count big time. They have how much 20% enriched Uranium? Load it up and explode it above the cities, who needs a active nuke? It will result in WW-3. To the person above that said we are at WW-V, get you head examined please if you believe skirmishes like Iran, Vietnam or Afghanistan would amount to world wars. They are still nothing but localized events.An all out war with Iran will unite the Muslim nations.
            I personally do NOT share Bob’s vision, Israel and the US under Bush had ample opportunity to attack Iran, they did not…maybe they do realize that any attack would be the destruction of Israel and the Zionist cult (something btw a lot of Jews I know would NOT be sad about). More likely than not, they did and do have information that prevented them from doing it. I an of the conviction that as soon as Israel..and by proxy the US attacks Iran, Iranian commandos in the US will start to destroy our infra structure, power, water, bridges, interstates, airports. It will result in an inability of the government to supply the citizens in the US with food and essential services…resulting in rioting and millions of death. My advice to all of you, be prepared, not only weapons and ammunition, but more importantly being able to supply your kin with food, clean water and shelter so you can survive the coming destruction of the US.

          • Bob

            The Israeli spies the Rosenbergs stole our atomic secrets and gave them to Israel and Russia. Fortunately the law had them electrocuted.

          • dan az

            JRC
            I think where on the same page I said the same thing somewhere else here.I think the terrorist that are here will get there trigger call by the bombing of iran then marshal law and the un troops make there move its happening way to fast but I’m ready and have been for awhile now.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          How could they give them up? That would be insanity. Suicide is more like it. That is the only thing keeping these Arab terrorists from dropping one, is that they know without a doubt that Israel would annihilate them. And they know that God’s hand will always be upon Israel and will never let them be depleted all the way. The remnant will always remain. Count on it.

          • jimminety bop

            For all of those that left a post injecting God and what he will and won’t do in to these discussions I ask – Why do you even bother to talk about it, worry about what will happen, who will kill who. You only die once and if you believe all that you preach then you should have no problem with you or any of your loved ones dying ’cause you, like these crazy ass muslims, believe that you are going to a better place. Sure you do, No one wants to think that once your eyes close that that’s it. If bad happens there has to be a reason and if there is a bad then there must be a good! hey, shit happens!
            Check your history and you will find that most of the world’s wars and trouble stemmed from differences between one organized religion against another.
            Who’s right and who is wrong? I for one think that we are more alone than any of you really want to face up to.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            What a hopeless life you must live jimity cricket. To figure you come here, live, die, get buried and thats it? Whats the use then? I know I for one would see no point in living if that was the case. I hope someday your eyes and ears get opened, and when you look at the mountains and the seas, and the plants and the skies, the birds and animals, that you will see the Hand that created all of them. Until then, you wont know. You will have no hope or cause.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Would you want to give up the very thing that, from a temporal point of view, guarantees their existence? I wouldn’t sign it either. No one else is going to guarantee their peace, including the USA; especially with a closet Muslim in the White House.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Like it or not the Jews are God’s chosen people. In my opinion the real Jews live in Israel while the ones here are whantabes. Most of them vote Democrate, which is suicidal to their cause. Look at Moe-Bamma’s buddy, Ram Emanuel. I think America has one foot in the grave with our legal endorcement of abortion. If we turn against Israel God may really turn His back on us.

      • Bob Wire

        >Afghanistan is Obama’s Vietnam.<

        In the sense Vietnam was Nixon's I suppose.

        To The administrations credit ~ a military solution was attempted with arms and manpower buildup. Obama has been pragmatic realist in regards to Afghanistan

        To avoid repeating an "end game" Dunkirk withdrawal, the buildup was necessary, win, lose or draw.

        In today world, any "checkmate" military solution is most difficult to achieve, regardless how powerful our toys.

        The two most recent victories that come to mind.

        Berlin,~ US troops coming in from the west and Russians from the east of a bombed city ~ and the German Supreme command falls on it's own sword.

        or ~ after a hard fought battles of island jumping ~ and the nuking of cities ~ It took a fly over of Tokyo with every Allied aircraft they could muster and put in the air, over a thousand plane , to get Japan to surrender.

        So ~ unless you are willing to kill everything that moves or grows,women ,childern, to lay waste to churches, temples, history museums, art centers, infrastructure, military solutions are few and far between.

        This leaves us to seek political solutions and containment ~ while this fail to offer us much glory or satisfaction, we need to get better at it and learn to live with it.

        These "enemies" will fall from "within" given the time. ~

        Our job is to not fall from "within" first.

        • Larry Gillihan

          Bob: It wasn’t a thousand planes that made Japan surrender, it was two bombs, one on Hiroshima, the other on Nagasaki. They wouldn’t even surrender after Hiroshima, and Nagasaki had to be bombed before they would.
          Few people seem to be aware that our problem is Satan. Obama is just a “tool” Satan is using to destroy the greatest Christian nation that has ever existed on the earth, as well as the most powerful. The only hope America has is to turn back to God as a nation, but they’re not going to do that as long as we have this crooked government and president.

          • THOMAS STEWART

            Larry Gillihan Right-On Our Manchurian Muslim Pres Obama Has No Power, Only Inexperienced For This Office, Yikees, Bully Pulpit The Joker Pres Is A Laugher With All Countries Like Iran, Afghanistan, Russia And China, Etc.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In as much as Israel is constantly persecuted for being dis-obediant to God, the United States is entering that field, where we are going to keep having problem after problem, for our own disobediance. We are the largest Christian nation in the world, and we elect un-godly men who take us down ungodly paths. We murder children in mothers wombs. We promote perverted sex between the same sex and try to present it as normal, when its not, its an abomination to God. It says so right in the Word for crying out loud. We kick the name Jesus to the curb, but allow teaching of Muhammed, Buddism, Islam, and other false religions in colleges and some schools. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see and understand, that God isnt happy with this. Those that dont know Him, dont understand this, but to us whom the cross has opened our eyes and ears, we all hear it and see it all too clearly, and its a sad thing watching this country go down the tubes because mere men think they know better. Thats the bottom line.

          • Bob Wire

            Well, actually no, the bombing alone did not perpetuate a surrender.

            It took the fly-over. ~ The display ~ of what Allied Forces could still get into the air and willing to waste fuel on, telling the Japanese People , “Greeting from Uncle Sam”, we control your sky’s” and there could be “no doubt” in anyone’s mind it being a FacT! No amount of propaganda could change the visual image of a thousand Allied planes flying low and slow over Tokyo.

            Much like the Nazi Tank Commander that realized Germany was doomed when he was going though the personal effect of a dead American GI, and found candy sent to a PFC by his mother. If America still had the ability and capacity to transport a box of candy thousands of miles for a PFC, the “end game” was clear, as the German people suffered so and had given their all to the war effort.

          • bilbo81670

            Bob Wire says:
            August 10, 2010 at 1:45 am-Actually is was only 400 bombers that flew over in the day. Another 300 went at night and the total of over 1000 planes includes all support and fighter aircraft. The bombings were already planned before the atomic bombs were dropped. Probably the most influential bombing was done on 8-13-45. They dropped propaganda. When the government learned what the populace had gleaned from this, they knew it was either surrender or a coup.

        • dini

          i dont get why they dont disable them with a nuke explosion in the upper atmosphere, when they fully know they know they can do that here as soon as they can get it here. they dontr need to youch land and we cxould not fight back. so we need to just do it first.

      • Fighter Pilot

        Would you sign the treaty if you were Isreal???

        • Al Sieber

          F.P., it’s Pakistan we have to worry about, Iran is years away from a “Nuke”. I think everyone should sign that treaty, no exceptions.

          • 1minuteman

            i saw an interview the other day on pj tv with an american scientist that worked on the origonal atomic bomb and he said plain and simple iran has probably quite a few nukes by now so i dont get where you think they are years away from having one. when we fought the first iraq war we thought they were not working on a nuke only to find they were 6 months away from having one. iran i s the number one sponsor of terror in the world. they are also harboring alqueda who last time i looked were trying to kill us. dont get me wrong i hate obama but if iran suddenly disapeared i would sleep alot better.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Pakistan is not our friend, and either is Saudi Arabia. They are both dirty and reek of anti U.S. sentiment. Those damn Saudi’s fund most of this terrorist crap, while we sit there and protect them for the oil. I say lift the veil, let them fall, then go in there and take the stinking oil, and ask if any of the rest of them have any questions. But what do I know, I just think of our country first when it comes to those that want to destroy us.

          • Al Sieber

            1minuteman, it was on 60 minutes,Iran years away from a “Nuke”.

      • American Conserative

        The Lord God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob explains in Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39 Israel’s relationship with Russia.

    • Ellen

      Great post. Sadly — you are right

  • dan az

    not goth =both

  • dan az

    Joe H
    I think I know what the terrorist trigger is know,It will be the first bomb dropped by israel then all hell is going to break loose here with the sleeper cells activated we are going to have our hands full.Marshal law invoked war breaking out on all sides and in this coutry to boot.what do you think?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      dan,
      do they have a choice?? Hell, I’m worried about Iran getting the nuke and they aren’t as close as illinois is to me. I also worry about N. Korea getting a intercontinental delivery system!! when the USSR was in a cold war with us, at least they feared retalitary strikes. Iran would welcome them as it would hasten the end times and their virgins. N. Korea’s leader is feared to be on the edge of insanity. would you have either of these countries be a “super” power??

      • s c

        Joe H, there are always choices. Sadly, North Korea and Iran are headed toward the same destination, though they’re taking different paths. North Korea will get there via atheism. Iran will get there via religious extremism and an unhealthy dose of madness via Hitler’s obsession with all Jews.
        North Korea claims they’re still ‘at war’ with us. Iran has blended Mein Kampf with what they see as an infallible “faith.” I can almost understand the North Korea’s paranoia. Iran, on the other hand, winks at Hitler’s satanic agenda and dares to take religious ‘purity’ to a new, unexplored dimension. Interesting times ahead for the world, Joe H.

        • Tazio2013

          For all you crusading christian conservatives out there in your bubble of ignorance, here is a quote from Protagoras (circe 450 b.c.e.), pre-Socratic philosopher famous for his axiom: “Man is the measure of all things.”

          “About the gods, I cannot say, either they are or they are not, nor how they are constituted in shape. There is so much that prevents knowledge of this kind: the unclarity of the subject on the shortness of human life.”

          And, if you must reply, try to make an intelligent reply and spare US your usual christian zionist, white wing wacko, regurgitated nonsense.

          Wake up sheeple; it’s the fewer than 1/10,000 of 1% of the NWO/GPE/PTB types vs the rest of US!

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Tazio2013… You are rude. Christians are not so different from you. We strive for the best and use the Bible as our standard. It’s obvious you are clueless to what is in the Bible but gain your insight from other sources.

          • American

            You believe there is no truth or substance to the Bible or the teachings of Christ yet you believe in what a “philosopher” has to say? How smart is that? Philosophy is nothing more than opinion. Also, was he not speaking of “gods” meaning the hundreds of false gods worshipped by all peoples of the world before Jesus Christ was born? You’re out of your element here. You really ought not speak before knowing what you’re talking about…it shows your ignorance and stupidity.

          • TIME

            Tazio,

            I understand where your going with your post, 99% of it I agree with you, I just think you need to curb the pattern to get more folks to understand what your saying.

            Folks, he is 100% right on this topic, Iran is no threat to us in any way shape or form. Nor for that matter is North Korea.

            Let me explain this better so its very clear whats being said.

            The facts are very obvious that in Iran the vast majority of people don’t like the radicals in power, as well they feel a strong conection to a “FREEDOM” based governments, not the oppressive radical form they now have.

            If we advance on IRAN we will consolidate the country rather than divide it from within as noted by Tazio, there is only a very small group that controls IRAN now, yet there are vast numbers who oppose this radical gang who has stolen control of the country.
            As well this vast amount of people also understand that the alledged election was 100% rigged.

            Thus if we just stand back and let them have at it themselfs what they now have as a government will fail in time.
            So lets not give them any reason to see it differantly, think of it as when we went to war in 1776 how would it have worked out if the Spanish invaded us at the same time. {{Thats just an example}} I am not saying that the Spanish were going to do so.

            Do we all really want to follow the NWO, One World Government never ending war theory?

            If you really think thats a good idea, then your part of the problem and as well your not really a Christian now are you?

          • JRC

            You are right,
            Religion was invented by men on a power trip to control the superstitious masses. The bible is a “”selective”" collection of unsubstantiated fictional stories. Most of them are plagiarized from ancient pagan texts that existed long, long before Christianity or Judaism..those texts are available and they are hard facts.Anyone that has an open mind without religious blinders can research them. It is only the brainwashed sheep that can’t see the truth. Unfortunately, Religion will be the end of humanity. Religion divides and will be the cause for an all out war between the zealot factions. The christian death wish of rapture will happen, just not like they have envisioned.

          • Ellen

            When you really have nothing noteworthy to contribute — Attack.

          • TIME

            JRC,
            Please don’t confuse my post with I don’t believe in God or Christ, I do in fact believe in both and there is enough fact to sustain both.
            If anyone who has seen Christ Shroud walks away unmoved, they are with out a soul. Thats based on pure logic and non emotive factors.

            The point of this blog is starting a WAR with people that we have no business starting a war with, its not about Religion.

          • Loud and Clear

            Tazio2013,

            Religion has two functions:

            1) to control

            2) to kill

            The Bible is just a story, not unlike like Grimms Fairy Tales. There are morals taught.

          • pappy

            There is nothing wrong with being Christian and living by the bible.
            Trouble is many try to shove their beliefs into law and many more just talk about the Bible and do not practice it.
            We have a Christian Taliban in this country.Trying to impose their will on everyone and I for 1 am not having it

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            It’s not the Christians who need to wake up. For us to try to describe what it’s like to know Christ is like trying to describe colors to someone born blind – you have no point of reference. Despite what you obviously believe, you are religious. In our case, we have a relationship with a living Savior. That relationship determines our world view, just like your atheism (or agnosticism) determines yours. So, if we must keep our beliefs out of the conversation, you must do the same. Ergo, there will be no real discussion.

        • Craig

          What North Korea is doing has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism does not tell people how or what to think like most organized religions do. It is simply a lack of belief in infantile god fantasies.

          • Dale on left coast

            Craig . . . athiesm is a RELIGION . . . since you canot Prove the aabsence of God . . . therefore you “Believe” . . . that is a very religeous position . . . believing there is no God.

          • Craig

            No Dale, atheism is not a religion in any sense of the meaning. The onus of proof is on those making the positive claim. I never said god does not exist. I just do not believe those that claim he does. I do not believe. I know for fact that not one of those that claim that god is real has ever produced concrete, objectifiable proof of said existence. Not buying into the claims of god believers is the only logical conclusion, seeing as how those that claim he is real fail to provide proof. And just because you think “believing” is relgious, does not make athesism religious. I believe the starter on my car will start when I want it to, that does not make my starter a religion.

            Don’t get me wrong I am not bashing religions. I do not think religions start wars either. Wars are started in most cases by nutters. But you people that claim atheism or Christinanity start wars are way off base.

          • Larry Gillihan

            There is no such thing as an atheist. Every rational mind in the world knows God exists, but most of them are being deceived by Satan, “the great deceiver” and “the father of lies”. It’s a bit strange that people can accept gods of the sun, moon, trees, rocks, animals or anything else, but will not accept the one, true God. Revelation 12:9 explains that Satan has deceived the whole world. However, only true Christians can see through his deception and lies. The Bible says it is impossible to deceive a true Christian. One who would ridicule that statement is, himself, being deceived. The Bible says when some hear the truth, Satan comes and takes it away, lest they believe it. That’s what’s happening.
            Muslims hate Jesus, therefore Islam is not a religion of God. If it isn’t of God, it is of Satan…there is no middle ground. Obama admitted he is a muslim…what else could “my muslim faith” possibly mean? Muslims have publicly stated many times that their goal is to destroy America and dominate the world. Everything Obama has done is heading us in that direction.
            Do you recall when Obama would not observe the National Day of Prayer, but instead, had a party in the White House for a homosexual group? In muslim countries, homosexuality is a capital crime, yet muslims support Obama. A paradox? No, evidence of Satan’s deception.

          • Craig

            “There is no such thing as an atheist. Every rational mind in the world knows God exists,”

            Yes Larry, contrary to what think there are real atheists, Nobody “knows” god exists, they only think he/she/it does. Knowing requires proof, evidence of said existence. Man has concocted thousands of gods over they years and not one of them has ever been proven to exist. You have a different definition of rational than most people.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Craig, in my journey through life, I was both an atheist and later an agnostic. I spouted the same sad rhetoric to which you now cling. It was rational thinking and logic that actually turned me toward Christ in the beginning, then faith took hold. For you to tell me now that there is no God and no Christ would be more ludicrous than you trying to tell me that there is no sun around which the earth revolves and no moon revolving about our planet. It’s not us who are deceived, but you. But, I will say no more of the matter since this is not the venue for witness, but a discussion about war, Israel, et al.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            You’re wrong, Craig. Just as it takes faith to believe in an omnipotent, loving God and Savior, it takes faith to believe that they he doesn’t exist. Atheists (I used to be one) see mankind or mother earth or some equally assinine entity as the center of their beliefs. There is absolutely no was you can imperically say that there is no God. You might, however, say there is no god “as far as you know.”

      • dan az

        To start with joe who in there right minds would want virgins in the first place thats gota hurt and if I was bordering israel I would running the other way just one degree either way means they miss there target bummer maybe the next one will be right or not. I really have to sleep I’m laughing at my own jokes
        nite all

        • del

          Craig, I have faith that you have a brain. However, I have no tangible proof of this. So one could easily question as to whether or not you do.
          Scientist know what we are made of they say. We are told that we are made from basically dirt. I have plenty of dirt they can use if they ever want to make a person. I don’t see it happening though! I guess we have to have faith in them telling us that we are made from dirt.

    • slickporsche

      Actually it might be a good thing, as people would then revolt and we could win our republic back. It will take an internal war to accomplish that. Our government has gotten very arrogant and pushing all around the globe,as well as at home. We are steadily losing our freedom in the name of such things as safety.

    • Ellen

      A lot of problems could be taken care of if we would just close the borders. Not only Mexicans are crossing the borders. Illegals became criminals when they broke the law by crossing into our country. If you — or I — broke the law we would be subject to penalties for doing so. When the Mexican cartels took over the ranches of two American families the media did not even cover the story. The American Government did nothing to right this outrage. The families had to flee in fear of their lives. Cartels take over the properties of Americans, and America does nothing. Hard to beieve. We have even posted signs in Arizona warning citizens not to enter certain areas because they are dangerous. We have turned these areas over to invaders.

      • THOMAS STEWART

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        • dan az

          what is yikees?

        • michelleo

          AMEN THOMAS AND THAT’S THE TRUTH

        • magjoh

          I LISTEN TO THIS PROPAGANDA. THIS MAN HAS AN AGENDA. HE IS PROBABLY TRYING TO GET RID OF PRES. OBAMA BECAUSE PREACHERS AND CHURCHES IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUBJECTED TO THE IRS AND TAXES. HE IS TRYING TO CONVINCE AS MANY PEOPLE HAS HE CAN TO GET HIM OUT OF THERE BEFORE HE HAS TO GIVE IN ACCOUNT ON THIS EARTH OF THE MONEY THAT HE AND HIS CHURCH HAS RECEIVED. THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF PREACHERS ARE TALKING ABOUT.

      • Willie Peet

        Ellen the Mexicans pose NO problem it is the illegal Israelis and Chinese.

    • American Conserative

      I think the opportunity for Obama to declare Marshal Law and suspend November elections and take over the US Government!

    • Granny Mae

      Good guess, That may be why there is such insistance on the building of the Mosque in N.Y.. Would make a great war room to work from HUH ? That thing needs to be stopped at all costs ! In my opinion.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I don’t know if that will be the scenario, but it’s probably as realistic as any other. But, in the final analysis, the Obamessiah will use any reason he can to declare martial law and take over the country completely.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Gotta go to sleep. have to be up at six. nite all!

    • dan az

      Latter Joe

  • Chris C.

    Wow. Sounds like a good time to be an arms dealer!

  • soldier

    I wonder if congress will at least declare war this time?

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Probably not, unless they believe their Big Business supporters can make money off of it.

  • Dave Gross

    War is the answer to any problem. We do not win any wars anymore. The war on drugs is a failure with billions wasted. The Korean war never really ended and we still decades later are facing off with them and no wonder they hate us. The war on terror has been mostly a boondoggle that has got us tied down in a not win effort in the Middle East. If our military was not so big maybe we would think twice about all these wars we cannot win.

    • soldier

      Wars are not won now for the same reason that the race war can never end and be over with (the so-called post racial America). Elitists’ livlihoods depend on war and division. An end to war and such things as racism means they are put out of steady fat pay checks. Did you actually ever beleive that the drug war could be won? It can’t possibly be won as long as we secretely fund the drug cartels.

      • Al Sieber

        solider, couldn’t of said it better.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Yes and if I may add. The Taliban as much as we like to hate them and for good reasons had managed to wipe out the poppy cultivation but now under our protectorate it is now in full force and bigger than ever. How do we explain that? Maybe Michael Ruppert of From The Wilderness was right. Maybe the CIA has a mandate to keep it alive and well as the cash from that endeavour all ends up fueling Wall St and they would crash should we legalize it and change the flow of money. The bankers certainly are in bed with all of this. After all we are talking about hundreds of billions.

        • james

          Eric where in the world did you get your information about the poppy feilds? YOU ARE WRONG! Over 20 years ago the U.S. was paying the Taliban for the poppy fields and then burning them! Of course they would just replant them and we would buy and burn them again. We were doing that to try and stop the supply of dope. But to say the Taliban was the reason for the decrease of the poppys is just not true. Why would they do away with all that money we were giveing them? You need to check your sorces before you state something as fact! And not just beleive everything you read.

          • Bob

            James you are 100% wrong about the poppy fields. Heroin was almost done in this country but is now making a comeback. Put 2 and 2 together.

          • mickey

            You can search for obama and poppy fields. Also, there was another article that substantiated this that was very good but I lost the link. I think the new economy is drugs. there is more out there on Clinton and Arkansas about drugs. Is it any wonder that AZ is now another drug problem with no resolution coming out of the WH?

          • JC

            Some of the Canadian troops in Afghanistan have been directed to avoid the poppy fields…don’t ask, don’t tell.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          That’s a really good point. The answer is that it keeps some of the locals on our side if we let them continue to pollute the western nations with heroin. It’s a bit hypocritical, isn’t it. I say, get our troops out of there now. Might not hurt to poison the poppy fields on the way out.

      • Keeper

        There reason is to parts. As long as they keep the drugs moving and the money coming they can fund other agendas like maybe the take over of the U.S.A. then other countries. and the second part is it is easier to mentally control people when they are drugged out and in need of them. Drug up people do not have a clue on whats really being taken from them. like freedom, the right to grow and prosper, and every other right given to us by God… The right of there children to grow up healthy instead of terrorizing good honest hard working people. They want what you have and hate you for your hard work to obtain it. and for drugs they will kill you over it.. These people are already dead and being used and the government is aware of its works and continues.

        • Bob

          Simple solution. Anyone caught smuggling drugs should be executed like they do in countries that don’t have our problem.

      • Ellen

        Agree.

      • Halbert

        soldier

        The funding of the cartels is from America’s drug addiction.

        That isn’t a very good secret.

        The cartels are like the gangs during prohibition. They are providing the contraband American’s want.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        True. But as long as the powers that be continue to rule, things will continue as they are until the End.

      • dan az

        the more they try to stop it the more the profits gain.

    • William Darling

      I think you all sound too young to recognize one simple fact about war in today’s era–we no longer wage war to win, but to continue it. The last war we were in that we wanted to win was WWII, and it was run on the principle of ending it. The only way to truly end a war is through attrition–kill your enemy by any and all means available until either he is ready to quit to ensure his survival or he is dead! And, unfortunately, we don’t have leaders with the brains or the balls to follow this path anymore!

      • s c

        William, this approach is known as ‘perpetual war for perpetual peace.’ It combines a continual redistribution of wealth scheme with the abuse and manipulation of those who confuse patriotism with sacrifice. Americans have been asleep for far too long.
        The world’s puppet masters know they can push a few buttons, and our “leaders’ will demand that we sacrifice once again. How long do you think a continual war strategy would last if our so-called ‘leaders’ were forced to ‘volunteer’ to go fight those damned wars?

        • eddie47d

          You should have been screaming against these wars since before Vietnam. These useless,senseless attacks on the rational of the human spirit takes the world nowhere. Our integrity slides back the more we advance our incursions and war making abilities.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        The powers that be don’t want to end wars, they’re too lucrative. There’s a tremendous amount of money to be made from war. Also, it keeps us focused on something else other than the creeping tyranny of the elite few.

    • slickporsche

      Maybe if Washington would allow our military to do its thing, and fight for only one thing, (victory) we could win a war. McCrystal got fed up,spoke his mind got fired. We need to fight in Afghanistan, like we have nothing in mind, but destroying the enemy, no matter where he is.

    • Granny Mae

      Dave , My opinion on all these wars , and not being able to win them is this. We fight what we can see and strike out at words and actions here and there instead of stoping first to ponder where and why it all started in the first place. Then you attack the source, not necessarily where all the action is ! The US tries to be everything to everyone and that is impossible. Some will like what we do and some will not. You just can’t please everyone all the time !

  • Bob Wire

    Yea I hear it.

    Special Interest and the military complex is hungry and their belly growls.

    • soldier

      Soldiers could stand up and just say no and go to the brig unless at the very least, congress declares war. I don’t get it. Sodiers are brave enough to face artillerly, rifle fire, and otherwise brave enough to fight under the most horrifying battle field conditions but they are chickens when standing up to their commanding officer and saying, sorry I swore an oath to the constitution which demands that congress officially declares war?

      • American

        I have to agree AND disagree with you soldier. First, let me say thank you to you and your family. We all owe you much more than we can ever repay for your service to this (once) great nation. I agree with your depiction of bravery among our soldiers. However, I do not agree with the concept of sticking up for your opinion. One of the biggest downfalls of this nation is the lack of self-discipline and disrespect for authority. I may not have always agreed with my employer but, as a subordinate, I either do what he says or take a hike. Doing the latter wouldn’t change the employer’s ways. We now have the worst commander-in-chief the US of A has ever seen (as well as the worst Congress) but soldiers should still maintain discipline. I can only imagine how hard it is to live by the new ROE. Why spend the billions in war efforts if our force has to sit back and wait for someone to shoot at them before they can take any action? What kind of sense does that make? Oh, we can’t kill innocents! How about we go in, bomb the hell out of our enemy, stop them from killing innocents not only within their own people but the enemy’s as well, get it done and over with and come home? What’s so hard about that? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist, or a Congressional panel, to figure that out. If we would do that then the rest of the world would think…”Hhhhmmm, they mean business. Let’s step back and think about it before we screw with them.” I’m sure if we stopped playing around and got the job done this would be a world of much more peace.

        • Carole Howell

          American, wow! you are way out there, our enemies?, these countries we are in never ever attacked us. We invaded them. This military kills innocents all the time, you live in a fantasy.

          Someone here mentioned if we attack Iran, there are sleeper cells here just waiting for that. Yes I believe that is true. And it is believed by others also, Sibel Edmonds,(U S nuclear secrets sold to agent in Turkey, who sold them to Scientist in Pakistan, who then sold them to al Qaeda) that they now have small nukes and can take out 7 major cites.
          Someone here said Israel just wants to protect it’s borders, Israel has refused to define it’s borders, Why? If you were Iran and had Israel as an enemy, wouldn’t you want some nukes for self defense? It goes both ways.

          Someone here said Israel was surrounded by enemies, could this be because Israel is a bad neighbor? Because all these countries have Jewish populations and they are treated very well. So it is not Jewish people they do not like, it is the policies of the Israeli government that they object to.

          If we go to war with Iran, we will be so sorry, very sorry. To even entertain the thought is insane.

          Most of the world believes the USA is the biggest threat to world peace. There maybe some truth to that, the Pentagon recognizes over 870 U S military bases on foreign soil, not including the 150 in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why is this necessary? China does not feel the need to have foreign military bases, and they are managing just fine. Empires fall and so will we if we continue on this course.

          • Tazio2013

            Outstanding reply to faux-american and his ilk; you stated the truth better than I could! It’s encouraging that on a white wing website such as this one there are at least nine of US; i.e., you, me, TIME, Eric Bischoff, JRC, Craig, Dave Gross, soldier and Al Sieber, who are apparently open-minded, clear-thinking, freedom-loving to the degree necessary to understand the big picture of how we have been manipulated and exploited by the war-mongering, xenophobic, glenn beck/fox noise-following, christian zionist, military “intelligence” security technology or MIST complexers who are under the command and control of the very very few NWO/GPE/PTB types. The Revolution will be televised. Semper fi!

          • Sea Captain

            Carole Howell, You are wide awake. ty

          • Eric Bischoff

            Well said Carole.

          • Granny Mae

            I’m guessing that you all are as full of crap as a Christmas Turkey !

          • Jeep

            Carole, way to stand with Pelosi, Kerry and Oman (“our soldiers are air raiding villages” and terrorizing innocent people”). Good job, you nut. Go back to your conspiracy hole and curl up.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Most of these nations certainly do not treat their Jewish populations well and they treat their Christian populations even worse. In most of the Muslim countries it is a capital offence (death penalty) to convert to Christianity or Judaism or to attempt to convert someone to Christianity or Judaism. But, it’s not a capital offense to kill a Christian or a Jew. Good Lord, man, the vast majority of Muslim nations are downright barbaric!

          • Al Sieber

            Tazio2013, stick to your beliefs.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        No, they’re not chickens. Soldiers are trained to do their job and obey their commanders. There are very few among our military that lack courage. They, however, like most of the rest of the average people in this nation cannot see the truth. They are too busy trying to stay alive and get home alive to worry about politics. It’s We the People that are going to have to get this thing turned around.

        • JC

          Agreed. Supporting the Troops doesn’t necessarily mean supporting the war(s) either.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Agreed.

    • Bob

      All of you Rambos that think war is glamorous should go enlist.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        And that’s the truth! But, I don’t believe most of these people believe that war is glamorous. Most of them, as far as I can tell, want us to bring our troops home and stop sacrificing a generation of fine young people for profit.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Bob: Most of us had. many of us are veterans of previous and current conflicts and understand the sacrafice we and our predecessors made to keep America free. That freedom allows you to spout off your anti-American retoric without getting your head cut off, as it would in those 3rd World Hell Hole countries you defend.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Gunner689__Well said!

  • soldier

    Sickening. War is started and maintained by those with everything to gain and nothing to lose and fought by those with everything to lose and nothing really to gain (except maybe a pretty ribbon or medal).

    • JRC

      Today’s war for the US are fought by people who open minded signed up for it, receive a monthly paycheck and for all purposes and definitions can be considered ”mercenaries”. They know from the beginning that they will fight a war and maybe get killed for the corporate military complex. NOT for the people in the US and they’re freedom (that’s just the official BS they give us to make it look nice) but in order for the corporate military to exist.

      Think about this, what would happen to all those carrier personal on the pentagons payroll and all the subcontractors they pay billions too if we would stop wars and bring out people home? You got it….they would be without a job. So wars and actions are what those guys need to receive a monthly paycheck and to stay employed. They will do anything in they’re power to keep wars going or to start new wars somewhere….anything they can legal or illegal…and they have the power and technology to do it.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Yeah! How convenient. Ruin the economy and maintain a high level of unemployment to guarantee a plentiful supply of poor people willing to sign up for a bonus and some benefits that they have no chance of getting from anywhere else. And then let’s not forget the broken promises, If you come home with exposure to agent orange or depleted uranium or from a cocktail of drugs and vaccination, or mental illness from what you did and saw, good luck getting help.

        • Bob

          Does anyone here know of any rich kids that joined the military.

          • Jeep

            As a recruiter in NJ back in the late 80′s, I had the opportunity to enlist many fine men and women from “wealthy” homes. I also had the opportunity to enlist many from “poor” homes as well. Don’t try the progressive tactic of class warfare (pun intended).

      • Jeep

        JRC, you are so wrong on so many things I will not take the time, or space to point it out. However, just go to Fort Bragg and tell a young paratrooper he’s a “merc” and not a patriot. Really, I dare you.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Jeep, don’t discourage him from doing so. It would be a lesson well-learned. It might help him grow up. By the way, when I served, I knew several fine soldiers from wealthy homes.

    • Jeep

      I’ve had enough of your ranting “soldier”…get a new name. If you ever served your attitude would be different. Or, perhaps you were some REMF that couldn’t cut it. Most of our soldiers have a very clear understanding of what the mission is, althought they may not agree with how it is being fought. But, you dance around the edge of disparaging America’s finest men and women, and I will not stand for it without calling you and your ilk (like Carol, et al.) out. Ever hear of “hate the game, not the player”?

      • michelleo

        SAY ON JEEP, NOW FOLKS,THAT’S A REAL AMERICAN TALKING

    • Granny Mae

      That is true !

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I’ve often said that “old men start wars – young men die in them.”

  • Bob Wire

    The Iran has the same problems we do, government controlled by special interest groups and not a true reflection of the will and mind of her people.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      There’s a lot of truth to that.

  • http://yahoo.com AmericanPatrot

    I’ll believe it when I see it…the muslim in the WH is in no hurry to see harm come to his muslim brothers, blessings and peace be upon them…:p

    • http://internet messenger

      IF YOU BELIVE THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A GOOD MOSLEM,I WILL SELL YOU A SCREEN DOOR TO A SUBAMRINE:I LIKE FOR U TO SHOW ME IN THE[ AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE WHERE IT SAY SO]FROM THE THE BOOK OF GENESES TO THE BOOK OF REVELATION SAYS THEY ARE [GODS] SOUL ENEMYS.AND PROPHECY WILL BE FULLFILLED,THE ANTICHRIST IS ON HIS WAY (GETREADY)WHAT GOD SAYS WILL HAPPEN:

      • JRC

        Grow some brain, the Muslim faith did NOT exist during the times of the old testament most of what you talk of was added to “”scripture”" by the rcc during the times of the crusades to have a means to justify they’re actions. The Bible is full of those so called truth and in itself is nothing but a collection of pagan stories plagiarized from ancient texts and changed to fit the political and religious ways of the times. All stories that did not comply with what the rcc perceived to be “”the way”" where suppressed and omitted. Twisting the truth and historic time lines is what Judaism and Christianity…and the Muslim faith is best at.
        Religion is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated by man kind.

        • james

          JRC, where did you get your degree at? As much as you think you know about the Bible I’m sure you had some training. Was it at HELL COLLEGE? We are free to beleive in God or not but this trash you are puking out is prue none sence. It’s real plan you have never really studied the Bible OR any of the science that has PROVED the Bible is stateing facts! Atleast what they have proven so far. And I don’t mean just looking at the cover and then sayu you have read it either.. Beleive it or not makes no difference but one day we will ALL stand before God to be judged. And I will be there watching you trying to tell God how his word, the Bible, is nothing more than a bunch of lies! Good luck with that one!

        • Granny Mae

          JRC
          BUG PUCKY !

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          You’re right about there not being a Muslim religion in Old Testament times. However, the entire Old Testament was intact and complete long prior to the Crusades. The Masoretic Text was complete hundreds of years prior to the birth of Christ. What you’re espousing is a bit of Muslim, anti-Catholic rhetoric. By the way, I’m and Evangelical Christian, not a Catholic.

          • Coast to Coast

            Just another name for radical religious nut.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            How many Christians do you see today going around blowing up innocents like the radical Muslims? There is an occasional so-called “Christian crazy,” but they certainly don’t reflect the true Christian beliefs or worldview.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    I understand our support for Israel, but I don’t understand that they need our ‘permission’ to do anything. If they had asked for our support, I can understand that, but what is with asking for permission?
    Why don’t we bring our troops home? Nobody wants us to help any more and we have enough problems here to deal with, such as our own boarders!

    • Bob Wire

      I agree, ~ I’m thinking it’s time to unchain the dawg, back off and just watch. I grow tied of keeping him tied up and having to feed him.

    • Al Sieber

      Robin, our borders are the most important, that’s where we need protection.

      • dan az

        You got that right Al with all the islamic terrorist crossing the border everyday we dont stand a chance of protecting our cities from mass bombings in high populated area’s.Even if you stopped them now it would be to late with close to 50,000 crossing the borders per day how many of them are from islamic terrorist nations.Knowing this you would have to wonder, why is it being aloud.It dosent take a brain surgen to figure it out.

    • Delzell

      America has been Israel’s foremost ally (and vice-versa) for its entire history. We haven’t always stood up for them when we should have, but if anyone did, it was us.

      Israel obviously does not need direct US intervention to deal with one middle-eastern dictator who’s gotten to big for his coat. They can take care of themselves but they want our approval. Without US political backing, Israel risks an expanded conflict and gives the many Jihadee’s in various European and South Asian countries (some of them world powers) an excuse to turn their country to a more hostile stance.

      Israel doesn’t have the numbers, or the political power to deal with a hostile Europe and still defend itself from the Middle-East. By giving permission for an attack, the United States is essentially forcing any grievance that Europe has against the war to be directed at us, as opposed to our more vulnerable ally.

      PS. We aren’t the ones who go in there. Israel will be the ones doing the extended war (or that’s the story, with “The Chosen One” you never know.) They still fight to win, no pointless ROEs, no nationbuilding campaigns. If Israel is set loose on Iran, even if Iran has a nuclear prototype, the war will be short. (anyone remember the seven days war? Israel wasn’t prepared for that.) This isn’t the first time either, there was another incident where Israel launched an air strike against a Mid-East nation that was believed to be developing nuclear weapons. They knocked-out the facility. The only problem was that no major power had agreed with them the facility needed to go by force. The US was forced to condemn the strike, and cancel several sales of much needed aircraft. We simply aren’t making the same mistake of thinking Israel will wait for our go-ahead until the bombs hit Jerusalem.

      Could it be, I’ve actually found an Obama decision I agree with?

      • james

        Delzell, Thank you for your coment. Finally there is someone else other than me that seems to be willing to stand for Isreal and there decission to protect there own people. Isreal is OUR best allie in that part of the country. Everyone here seems to be all bent out of shape because we have over 800 bases all over the world, but if we didn’t, and if trouble broke out in those areas then it would be much harder if not imposible to lauch a responce in a timely maner if need be. And if we stop trouble over there then maybe we, the people here liveing in the USA won’t have to be fighting a war in our own land. Yes it does seem that we are the ones who step up and police the world, but if we don’t do it who will? What would have happened and what would the world be like today if we would have said Hitler is not our problem? I don’t think ANYBODY would have liked that out come. Everyone seems to be against us being in Iraq but we help to free up a oppressed people. And yes alot of it was over the oil too. But do you really want to pay $30 a gallon for gas? Or $500 a month to just pay for the cost of electric for your house? America would be crippled if that happened and if everyone would just stop and think maybe they would understand it a little better than gripping about some corporations is the only reason we go to war anymore! Even if it is it is STILL protecting our way of life. But I’m like you and can’t beleive I TOO agree with something Obama is saying!!!!! Thats one for the records!!

      • Bob

        You forgot about 2006 when Hezbollah chased Israel out of Lebanon. They want Americans to do their dirty work. They’ve been threatening ti bomb Iran for 7 years but won’t do it themselves.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Hezbollah did not chase Israel out of Lebanon. The US and the UN did that. As a matter of fact, Israel kicked their butts and killed a whole lot more of them than it lost. You liberals sure like to twist history, don’t you?

          • Fog of War

            The jews fear Hezbollah.

            The Israeli want to build settlements and expand.

            There is a name for that. Zionism?

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Reference Israel not needing our permission: of course not. However, since we are one of their few supporters, they certainly want our support in such a decision. They will, however, act alone if they feel their existence is threatened.

      • Only in America

        They just want our money and secrets.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Well, as far as the Zionist portion of them is concerned, there’s a lot of truth in that. But the Zionists are really basically atheists, like some of the people in this discussion. They’re not true Jews.

    • Granny Mae

      Robin,
      Isreal doesn’t need our permission to strike Iran. Our government and the heads of several other countries have insisted that Isreal does not strike first for reasons only they know ! I assume it is because of the retaliation that it would cause from all the other middle eastern countries and the oil that we get from them. Also there are countries such as Russia and China that have agreements with some of these countries that would pull them into the war it would cause and that would truly be disasterous for all involved. If you don’t think we are dependant on the middle east for oil just try to get through a cold northern winter without it. Try going to work or the store or the hospital (God forbid) without it. See how long the grocery stores will have food available on the shelves without oil ! How long will you be pounding on your computer or watching the news on TV or turning on an electric light ! How about all the soap you use or the nice little plastic bags you have gotten use to grabing ! How about the microwave you use or the pump you run for your water. If you live in the city how long do you think you would be drinking clean safe water without oil for electricity to run the water treatment plants ? There are a lot of reasons for Isreal not going to war with Iran other than their own costs. Some of are prepared for such things but not most ! Also how long can you remain prepared? How long will your preparations last and then what will you do ? How long have we been in Afghanistan? Will your preparations last that long if you have to start using them for your every day existance ! Think long and hard before you hope for some things.

  • Dr. Mabuse
    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      What a sensless rant.

  • SKY

    I try to enjoy each day as a citizen of the U.S., as I watch White House polititians rapidly destroy this country’s great constitution/Bill of Rights. Don’t know how much longer we’ll ENJOY life in this country. I dread the “fallout” from corrupt polititians’ decisions for the U.S. The present Washington regime is running its own agenda, implementing EVERY program and “change” desired only by THEM as they circumvent our once great democratic process of selecting local, national & international policies – there seems to be no stopping their march toward socialism and the goal of making the U.S.another third-world country run by dictatorship. More war will further destroy our freedoms and national growth. Everything the present regime wants, the present regime gets – they are masters at circumventing legalitites. Can they be stopped through elections?

    • slickporsche

      ANSWER- A RESOUNDING NO!!

    • Jason

      The congress may not be able to be stopped at the election booths as they are like coch roaches that invade a house. You can step on one coch roach and another of the same breed and low caliber will take its place and continue on with their agenda. The only way to get rid of coch roaches in a house is through extermination, the same goes for congress.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        You’re right. The powers that be have it planned that way. They have their folks on both sides of the House and Senate. One of these days, google “Hegelian Dialectic.” That’s been the way the UN has worked for many years. Each decision takes us just a little closer to global federalism (one world government) with a worldwide socialist government run by the elite.

  • http://Drumbeatsforwar Ken Hughes

    We should have listened to McCarthy and Pattison!I fear for N America especially The Big Apple! We are led by imposters and fools now!Beware!! Ken

  • http://goggle jimradford

    how many countrys are looking at war?i thaink it is four,sounds like the four horsemen might be putting there saddels on there horses, if that is wright then would any country be free of then, i dont thaink so, lets take there saddles away that way they wont be able to do anything, the saddles being there abilty to use there rockets, if push comes to shove remind them of the way we used ours on them one at a time so that way they would be able to stop the madnes they are useing to start this unnesary war

    • Granny Mae

      Jim,

      That is a thought but consider this, In our arsenal of weapons, the bomb is now obsalete! We have weapons today that are beyond yours and my imagination ! The bomb is a weapon of the 1940′s and the scientific mind has not been standing still !

      • dan az

        Ganny Mae
        your absolutely right take the neutron bomb for an example only humans would be vaporized not the buildings.You know how they like to test there new toys,example Iraq.

  • Kimbo

    Every nation grows at it’s own pace. We grew through our war for independence with help from others. The French helped us fight their old enemy, the British. Then came our great cival war when we killed each other. Our history is no different than what is happening now in many other areas of the world. Other nations, even though their societies are older than ours, lag behind in education and freedoms. We aid them in their fight for equality and freedom. We are our brothers’ keeper. It would be great if we could all sit down and diplomatically agree to stop all wars and live in peace. Unfortunately there are too many ignorant murderers in the world. We are the good fighting the bad. Let the warriors fight the wars, let the educators educate the people, let the families raise their children and teach them values. We point our fingers at our leaders and accuse them of ruining our great country. The blame rests with us. We elected them. We voted them into their office. If we want rid of them, we need to show up on election day and fire them. If we want a better society we should stop trusting these idiots and become more involved.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Amen Kimbo.

    • JRC

      lol, is that why the US is #100 out of 360 odd countries on education…We may be a military power, but geniuses and highly educated we are NOT.

      • Willie D

        Remember JRC, that education and intelligence are not always the same thing, nor do they walk hand in hand in peace often!

      • james

        JRC there you go again! You calling them ingnorant is like the pot calling the kettel black!!!!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        we can thank the ACLU and the teacher’s unions for that.

    • Willie Peet

      More Mexicans will make a better America.

      There are too many here who don’t support our freedoms.

      • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

        willy peet is a compleate Moron.

      • JC

        What?

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Okay. And when did they let you out of the asylum?

      • Al Sieber

        Willie, it’ll make America like Mexico, why is that better?

      • Granny Mae

        Willie Peet,

        If you are a Mexican then go to Mexico and fight for your freedoms there. Take over your own country and make it what you want but don’t sneak in here and expect me to educate your kids for free and give you food stamps and housing grants and medicade and hospitalization that you never pay for. You come here and make a living while my tax dollars take care of you and then you go back south of the border and get along just fine on the money you made in this country. And don’t for one minute give me that old story that you only take jobs that Americans won’t take. That is horse hockey ! My son is a construction contractor and complains all the time because of trying to compete with contractors that hire illegals for less money and then the contractor with legal employees can’t compete in price for jobs. Illegals cost us taxpayers in so many way it isn’t funny. I don’t mind if you come here legal but don’t sneak in here and then live off me. There are Jiffy type stores around here that the illegals deal with all the time and I will tell you I don’t understand it. They go in and take out a wad of money and pay for their beer and then go outside and drink till they get drunk and come back in and mess with the women cashiers. Their wives come in and buy fast food and soft drinks with food stamps, while the old man is spending their money on booze ! When they get unrully and the poliece are called they are only given a warning and the police go on their way and the illegals are still out under the tree drinking. So Willie take your antagonistic a-s back where you came from.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Absolutely right!

    • Granny Mae

      Bravo Kimbo

  • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

    Does history repeat itself? What happened the last time in history that the world was one big economic mess? Remember the “New Deal”? Wasn’t WW2 the REAL New Deal? I myself have been SOLIDLY convinced that we will never resolve our own county’s problems in any sensible way, and “change” will only occur thru a REAL cataclysmic event FORCING things to CHANGE. Sorry to be so cynical . . . we have a government that willfully REFUSES to act in the best interest of the people, a government who’s well defined strategy is to divide and conquer its citizenry and grab the money, never for an instant motivating that citizenry to pull together! Folks, I hate to SEE it, I hate to SAY it, I’m truly SORRY to say so, it’s gonna take a WAR! It is HIGH TIME we added one more candidate to the ballot, backed by what should be the real third party, the NONE OF THE ABOVE PARTY!

    • Al Sieber

      paul, that could be the only way.

    • Dan Burke

      When I voted in 2008, I seem to recall seeing several names on the ballot. My problem? Only two of them did I know anything about. Several were apparently all sorts of socialists parties since the Republicans and Democrats aren’t getting us there “fast enough….” I don’t even want to go there on that, but there was a glimmer of hope. One looked like it might have been what I would have really wanted to vote for. Unfortunately, I did not vote for their candidate because I had never heard of them before. Not their party, nor their candidate. Were they really a conservative, small government candidate like the name of the party seemed to apply or was it actually a clever name twist and just another progressive group I would find sickening? I didn’t know…. And so I felt like I only had two choices.

      As for this war stuff, I read a bunch of stuff and wonder if we aren’t missing the point.

      Should Isreal be allowed to keep their nukes? Yes. If Iran wasn’t so devoted to destroying another nation (they’ve declared that their goal is wipeout/destroy Israel?), then I would actually be for them developing a nuclear arsenal. I know nukes aren’t good. I am well aware of the dangers. I even fear that nukes getting into the hands of terrorists as the weapon proliferate, but that doesn’t mean I want us to suppress nuclear weapons. We talk about disarming, but the problem is that we cannot go back. Even if you were to disarm the major “superpowers,” the knowledge of nuclear weapons will not go away. Even if you were to destroy all the materials documenting how to, the knowledge that it is possible will still exist. The only difference I see between a nuclear “powered” world and the disarmed world is our ability to detect and deal with the problem. If we disarm, I fear we will become apathetic. We will become lazy and believe ourselves safe…. Take for example, currently, all my car wrecks have been on sunny, “safe” days. I have white-knuckled through icy roads that I should have stayed home and safe. Foolish? Yes. But as I said, my accidents have been when the weather was good, the roads clear and dry. I was lax and my car(s) have paid the price for it. We might want the safe world. I think that is the correct desire. We should want the safe world. But does taking away another’s freedom in the name of peace actual foster peace? In the case of Iran, if we take away Isreal’s right to protect itself, then we are not fostering world peace.

      I know this reads like I am for America and Israel going to war with Iran. I am not. I think we should support Israel. It is our politicians I do not trust.

      Could it be used to justify “martial” law? Perhaps. Would that cause American’s to rise up and “free” themselves? I don’t know. The optimist in me says they should. The pessimist says they are sleep ripe for slaughter so probably won’t. See, the real danger I see here is that Republicans and Democrats are under fire politically going into this election. They are fighting for their “power” base. The Republican party is fighting against a Tea Party takeover from within. They will want to justify their past politics. The Democrats may just want our attention pulled away from all their bad policies from this past year and a half. President Clinton went and started some small conflicts right about the time he was getting scrutiny for some bad personal/political decisions. Things that could have really hurt the Democrats. Were those conflicts things America should have intervened in? Perhaps. Were they done at the right time? Maybe, but there were many like myself who believed they were being done for the wrong reason and at a most convenient time to draw attention away from the President. Did it work? In the overall picture, probably not. In the immediate, oh yeah, it sure seemed like it took the heat off President Clinton and his cronies. So, as I look at this conflict in the Middle East, I understand more than I wish I did but still far too little to know what is really going on. I just don’t trust our government and I am very, very afraid that a clever democratic political system will pull a “fast one” over on the American people–by both the Republican and Democratic parties.

      • JRC

        Iran can destroy Israel TODAY if they wanted to, they do NOT need a nuke to do it. A nuke will help but is not needed. Remember Israel is a small sliver of land and Iran has enough rockets to overwhelm Israels defenses and plaster a rocket every 100 sq yards on Israels cities.
        If they really wanted to wipe em as badly as the Israelis and the press wants us to believe, they would have done so already.

        • james

          JRC, you said that once before so I need to ask you something. If Iran doesn’t need a nuke and can wipe Isreal off the face of the earth then why haven’t they done it? Irans moron of a president said himself that as soon as Iran gets a nuke they will wipeout Isreal so if they can do it now then why wait? Iran HATES Isreal so whats the problem? No Iran can NOT take out Isreal yet and I pray they never will. Everone knows if Iran thought they could destroy Isreal they would do so amd not be waiting on a nuke. I was just wondering why you keep saying what you are saying because if you are right I don’t understand what there hold up is? Thanks…

          • Bob

            Because Iran’s president never said that. He said they have no right to exist because it’s not their land. The Zionist media twisted his words and you fell for it.

          • Jeep

            Bob is correct. Ahmadinejad’s statements were morally outrageous and historically inaccurate, but he did not actually call for mass murder or for the expulsion of the Israeli Jews to Europe.

          • Al Sieber

            Bob and Jeep, you sure know your facts.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Man for man, Israel has the best fighting force on earth, with the possible exception of the US. No, Iran cannot defeat Israel. Israel’s entire air force has pilots the equivalent of our “top guns.” In the last war with Syria, Israel obliterated the Syrian air force without losing a single fighter plane. Syria grounded their planes after moving them to Iraq. Iran cannot defeat Israel without nukes and Israel currently has enough nukes to wipe out 90 percent of the Muslim world, including Iran, and has missles with the range to reach every inch of Iran.

          • Bob

            I still say they were run out of Lebanon. They said the US and UN told them to just to save face.

      • Granny Mae

        Dan,

        I have been there with you and I have the same feelings and mis-givings. For me though I believe that all nuke use should be banned world wide. My feelings for this are this, at this point in time we have no way to dispose of the waste safely. No matter what we do with it there is always the possibly of it coming back to haunt us. We can store it in mountains but who was the smart guy that came up with that? Stop and think how mountains are made ! Believe it or not most of the mountains in the US are here because of volcanic action and there is no such thing as an extinct volcano ! Just a sleeper and who knows when it will wake up ? When it does then what ? Nuclear energy is not something we should be messing around with .

  • http://Yahoo Cody Flecker

    There are justified and un-justified wars, and fighting for the ultimate control of the middle east falls squarely on Israel’s shoulders. No Arab nation has the where with all to confront the Iranians like Israel has. Thus the US must agree to allow the Israelis use their man power plus advanced weaponry to once and for all destroy the Iranians. All this baloney about the Jews controlling the world is pure nonsense and pure anti-semitism. Next some of the morons on this site will blame the Freemasons for wanting to control the world. Wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan are unjustified. Outside of spending Billions of Dollars in a wasteful manner and losing thousands of American and coalition lives both wars net us absolutely zero. They should both end today. These wars are not about Communism taking over the area, but about war lords who want to live in the 7th century. If that is what they want, let them do so. Israel on the other hand are comprised of Christians and Jews who are Gods chosen people. If you want to oppose them, you are opposing God.

    • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

      Please leave religion out of it, STOP using religion as a WEAPON! War is ultimately about resources and money! Outside of that, Cody, you are STONE COLD RIGHT!

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Sadly, religion is the reason for most of the wars in all of time. If you think that the potential war between Israel and the Iranians, Syrians or other Muslim nations is not religious, you’re hiding your head in the sand. Religion, or anti-religion, is virtually always the cause, if you dig deep enough.

    • http://internet messenger

      Think u CODY u are right on track as is said in ROMANSch3verse4 (LET GOD BE TRUE AND MAN A LIER,AS IT IS WRITTEN)All preachers of today are FALSE teachers and man made.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Now why on earth would you say that? You have absolutely no way of knowing the heart and intents of “preachers” today. There are some fakes, of course, but there are many more earnest, God-fearing men of God who have given their lives to serve God. Religion is false, but a relationship with Christ is real. There are plenty of godly pastors teaching just that: a real, vital relationship with Jesus Christ. Since you like Scripture, remember this one: “touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm.” Be careful about condemning men of God whose hearts you have no way of knowing.

    • JRC

      You are basically right, your only mistake is that you have swallowed the religious bait of the Jewish master race hook and sinker.
      Keep superstition out of your political views and you will find that suddenly you see the truth and will see what is really going on.

      • james

        Jewish master race???? Do you even live on this planet?? Were you born this stupid or did you learn it? History shows that the jews have been oppressed and hated for years! Don’t sound like a master race to me! How in the world do you get they are a master race? Oh ya, I forgot in your other nonsence post you said you don’t READ the Bible and apperantly any OTHER books either. Oh well, you can’t argue with an idiot!!

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Spoken like a true Muslim Jew-hater!

    • JC

      The Jews are God’s chosen people? Oh right I forgot about that.
      I guess that’s what makes the rest of us expendable to them.
      And aren’t the radical Muslims of the same mind? That we can all die for being Christians?

      I don’t believe we have any real friends in the Middle East, none.

      • eddie47d

        The Arab/Persian governments use Israel as an excuse to keep their own people down. The old divide and conquer mold which is getting moldier. These countries know they can’t solve their own problems so Israel becomes the scapegoat. The Israel/Palestinian problem could have been solved many years ago,but the division fills a need. Every country needs real and imagined enemies to stokes wars and to keep their citizens in line.

        • JC

          It works the same in every country…always has.

      • Fog of War

        JC we now have a base in Iraq and the Israeli are not necessary.

    • Sea Captain

      We don’t need Israel we have Iraq.

      When the smoke clears we will emerge to exert our leadership.

  • Boo Ewald Taylor, IL

    I just hope that when all is said and done that the truth will be known to all and no one can deny their part in this game they play with us and our children. Looking back at history though, it would seem that truth is always circumvented for the need to prove why our leaders do such idiotic things. This is the standard we have come to accept and expect. Pitiful. One truth I know is that war is beneficial to those that push it, just like Al Gore pushing his green crap, he’s made a fortune off of making people feel bad about using energy when he uses 10 times more. Are things ever gonna be on the up and up? NOT!!!

  • Joseph

    Excellent column Mr. Livingston ! You have pinpointed the rabble neocon menace and its destructive agenda for our America. Idiot Bush did their bidding for 6 out of 8 years and he can be thanked for the presidency of Barrack Obama . We need to reighn in our military spending and shift our troops to our southern border ! Thank god that Mr. Livingston has the courage to call a spade a spade.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      As to the term “neocon.” I believe it means new conservative and is used by the left as a derogatory term for conservatives. Most conservatives I know have been that way for 40 plus years. In your Obama zombie mind is that considered new? A mature adult who is not a conservative is a brain-dead fool with no real life expierience.

  • Joseph

    cody Fletcher. You need to check yourself into a hospital and have your head examined. The ADL and other mainline jewish (mostly zionist) organizations have been the principle lobbyists for open borders since the late 1920s. They want to make Americans of european origin a minority in America. We must not let them do to our country what they did to Russia in 1917 ! We muststop all aid to Israel immiediately and we must place a moratorium on all immigration!

    • Al Sieber

      Joseph, you figured it out, at least someone gets it.

    • coal miner

      Joeseph,

      Amen!

    • JC

      Absolutely right.

    • coal miner

      Joeeph,

      I agree,no more aid to Israel.I believe in the right to bear arms and we could lose that right.When we do,we can resort to making our own weapons.Here is one of the websites.Check it out.

      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread325510/pg1 · Cached page

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Don’t confuse the Zionists with true Israel. While I pray for and support Israel, we must never forget that the present Israeli state is a socialist nation. However, as a Christian, I am commanded to pray for the peace of Israel. Now, as to liberal Jews: liberals are liberals, regardless of their race or ethnic background. All liberals are a sorry lot.

  • Jay Ash

    I agree with muslim in the WH. Be certain he and polosi loose their power in the next election!!!

    • JRC

      And that will change…what?

      NOTHING…do you really believe even for one second that anyone who will get those mandates will be able to “”just”" change everything? Nope if they try they will end up the same way JFK did. Whoever gets the mandate…and it does NOT mater what party he belongs too…will have to dance to the strings of the corporate military complex, the bankers, and the international corporations. The ONLY way to change this would be if there is a total collapse of the US and people strong enough to prevent the international bankers and corporations from taking over afterward.

  • Harry

    It’s time to arm the war profiteers and let them fight the battles they create instead of our children and grandchildren who give their lifeblood in work and fight for this bunch of greed filled Utopians who lack any moral conscience and character. If American’s can’t see this war ploy as simply a way to make a small pack of filthy rich more money, power and control, they need to study history outside our classrooms.

  • http://jenersea@comcast.net jenersea

    You cannot leave religion out of what is going on in the Middle East. That is the only way that any of it makes any sense. Islam has their version of what is happening and what is going to happen. We Christians have our version. It all boils down to what you believe, always has, always will. The Bible has predicted all of this that is happening now for centuries. The whole world will come against Israel, but will not prevail. Get right with God people, this is the only thing that will help you in the days ahead.

    • Eric Bischoff

      And there lies the problem. The my god is better than your god argument. I think you are all misguided fools and you and only you are responsible for this mess.

      But in reality nothing has to be as it is written or prophesied. We can change and we can alter the course of history and rewrite all of the books. All it takes is brotherly love in our hearts, new ideas and thinking, tolerance and humility. But you, and I say you to all of you religious fanatics regardless of your faith, are obviously not willing to choose that path. You would rather be right and see it all destroyed. You think you are going to heaven and you have the nerve to make fun of the other camp who think they will be getting virgins. You are all fools.

      What if the only thing that matters is living your life as Christ or Buddha or Mohammed tried to show us now while alive on earth.

      I just can’t wait to hear the lies they will tell next to get you suckers to sign up for another war.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Actually, Christ is called the Prince of Peace. If everyone received Him as Lord and followed His teachings, there would be no wars. It takes a relationship with Him, not a Christian religion to bring peace.

  • Darell Russell

    It is ode to me that most of what we hear is the draw down of ouy araments and all we hear from the outher side is how much they are building up. Example China’s announcment of a new whepons system that can strike an aircraft carrier 900 miles away, and Iran coutinues to develope it necular program,the Mexican cartels are getting brasin.

    • eddie47d

      There’s a huge difference in having a strong defense and those who want to use these defenses to harm others.

      • dan az

        Fast eddie
        I hate to say it but you are right well said

      • Al Sieber

        eddie damn it, I have to agree also.

  • http://www.worldreports.org/news m2o

    So, how do we FIRE Congress? How is that done? Our voting is corrupted so completely. It does not matter how you vote, but WHO
    counts it.
    Obviously, voting is totally useless. They have not gotten rid of
    those voting machines, even thou the populace demanded it in 2004 & 2006, after the 2000 corrupted vote results.
    .
    Why does humanity want to destroy itself with war & drugs? Mass-genocide in plans. Obviously not by humans, there is a much more sinister agenda playing out. Someone wants this planet earth for
    themselves with just a few humans left for slaves & food.
    Wake up.
    Google = secret covenant.
    3 Million people have & know the inside scoop of the agenda.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Hmmm. What planet are you from? Do you come in peace?

  • Darell Russell

    It is ode to me that most of what we hear is the draw down of our armaments and all we hear from the other side is how much they are building up. Example China’s announcement of a new weapons system that can strike an aircraft carrier 900 miles away, and Iran continues to develop it nuclear program,the Mexican cartels are getting bra-sin along the border, Hugo Chavez working with Sierra and Iran to develop weapons and chaos.
    This is not a good situation.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Let’s get real on what that means. We have and spend more on our military than all other nations combined. So I think we could stand some draw down even as others ramp up. We cannot be hypocritical and tell others what they can’t do unless we ourselves are willing to change.

      • Sea Captain

        The military industrial complex must feed.

  • http://phpico.com UncleAl

    Holy cow! Do we learn nothing? We can’t even spell and yet we think we know everything! Amazing! Education, the weapon of mass INstruction, is yielding to stupidity, the true weapon of mass DEstruction.The Four Horsemen have been galloping through the jungles of Ivy for years producing arrogance and ignorance for the rest of us to shoot at. Close the doors, build walls around our trade docks, and exchange grain and water for oil while our own industrial complex catches up to the rest of the world!

  • Stew

    Israel is doomed in the near future. We know this because Moses is a future story. We also know there is a genetic bomb in the near future that will decimate the civilized war. A solar flare will trigger the genetic bomb that was delivered by the 1 o’ 7

    • JRC

      Simple solution, switch off the radio and stop listening to coast to coast conspiracy radio, stop visiting nutcase conspiracy websites…..switch on your brain….there problem solved

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Stew, are you from the same planet as m2o? Be sure and put on your aluminum foil hat.

      • http://Darwin Only in America

        Oh yeah that tea party will save you.

        LOL

  • George Irrgang

    I agree with SC on his/her comment but one crucial factor was left out!
    The seemingly endless array of idiots that are allowed to vote,limited only by their cronological age,which may influence the future direction of this great country?

    • Eric Bischoff

      That is a problem in a Democracy. If you have an uneducated mob or a mean and stupid electorate then you are not going to accomplish much but worse yet you can easily be manipulated and you can be very destructive as we are seeing more and more.

      • Jeep

        Wow, then I guess its a good thing we don’t live in a democracy, but a Republic.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Right on, Jeep, right on! I wonder who those guys consider stupid: liberals or conservatives?

          • Eric Bischoff

            Stop being so paranoid, Stupidity is not selective it runs across the political spectrum.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            I’d have to agree with you there, Eric.

  • Robbie

    Bob:
    Are you talking about a war with Iran or Civil War at home?
    Obama will never attack Iran,(they are a muslem country) so you must mean Civil War!
    Don’t laugh, read some of the blogs.
    The American people are tired of the socialist adgenda and the destroying of our Constitution.
    They want to take our country back, because you can forget fair elections. It will never happen. Too much of our bail out tax money is being spent on Dummycrat canidates. And the thugs will be out enforce.
    So much for fighting Dummycrat corruption.

  • Average Joe

    Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war in which the folly and wickedness of the government may engage itself? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest right of personal liberty? Who will show me any Constitutional injunction which makes it the duty of the American people to surrender everything valuable in life, and even life, itself, whenever the purposes of an ambitious and mischievous government may require it? … A free government with an uncontrolled power of military conscription is the most ridiculous and abominable contradiction and nonsense that ever entered into the heads of men.

    Daniel Webster

    I think it is time for us as parents and children to say enough. If the politicians want to fight endless war…Let “THEM” fight those wars….

    We need to stand up and tell them ” I WILL NOT COMPLY”. We need to protect our children and our parents from harm. We need to protect our Constitution and the American way of life. It is time to throw off the chains of tyranny and rise up against the usurpers of freedom and liberty. It is time to water the Tree of Liberty with the blood of tyrants once again.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

    • JRC

      You forgot one crucial fact….our children with open eyes and willingly sell they’re body and soul for a paycheck to the military corporate complex to be the mercenaries they need to fight those wars.

      Considering that, your whole post falls apart.

      • Average Joe

        In your own words…”switch on your brain”.
        Enough said.

      • Jeep

        Hey, JRC, then come with me to Afghanistan this fall and I will let you out around Khowst. Let me know how that works out for you.

      • http://Darwin Omega Files

        JRC so true

        • Average Joe

          Let’s consider the statement:
          You forgot one crucial fact….our children with open eyes and willingly sell they’re body and soul for a paycheck to the military corporate complex to be the mercenaries they need to fight those wars.

          Why is it that our children willingly sell their souls?
          Could it possibly be that the Government, the banks and Wall Street wiped out the economy and there are no jobs availible other than the military as these kids leave high school and enter the workforce …which doesn’t exist? Remember the unemployment rate is still hovering around 10%…higher if you consider those that have given up looking and have no UE left to draw (they aren’t counted in that 10% ).
          Could it be that many of those that joined after 911, did so because they thought they were doing something patriotic for their country? (only to find out that much of the information was based on lies and half truths from our elected officials…where are those WMD’s?…they must be here somewhere).
          Where are all of those jobs that the TARP bill was supposed to create?…OH yeah…in the military.What better way to keep the military stocked with bodies than to keep the unemployment rates high…why else has the president and congress worried about everything…(healthcare bill…Cap and Tax er… Trade etc) except the unemployment situation….create real jobs…and enlistment would fall drastically.
          Can’t have that though…need bodies to fight wars…so that the banks, government (take a gander at who owns what..stocks etc.) and Wall Street can make a ton of cash….at the expense of our children and parents lives.
          Sometimes you have to look past the end of your nose…to see the big picture.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      And the sad thing is that it’s not a declared war, unless you count W’s speech declaring a war against terrorism. I think it’s time to get our troops home and out of countries who really don’t appreciate freedom.

  • Norm

    Just a few observations:

    Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
    Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel . . . And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for “the universal brotherhood of man” – with his mouth.
    Mark Twain

    Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
    Isaac Asimov

    When the rich wage war, it’s the poor who die.
    Jean-Paul Sartre

    I have seen enough of one war never to wish to see another.
    Thomas Jefferson

    • Willie D

      All good points Norm, but don’t forget this one (one of many), also by Jefferson…;

      “A little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storm in the physical….It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.” (letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787)

      …or this one, also from Thomas;

      “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” (letter to William Stevens Smith, November 13, 1787)

      …and especially this one;

      “And what country can preserve its liberties, if it is not warned from time to time, that this people reserve the spirit of resistence? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? (letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787)

      WD Patriot

      • Norm

        Back at you.

        Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.
        Thomas Jefferson

        The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking… the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker. ~Albert Einstein

        The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living. ~Omar Bradley

        The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

        Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime
        ~Ernest Hemingway

        The era of true peace on earth will not come as long as a tremendous percentage of your taxes goes to educate men in the trades of slaughter. ~Reginald Wright Kauffman

        No country can act wisely simultaneously in every part of the globe at every moment of time. ~Henry Kissinger

        • eddie47d

          War = crime,so let’s stop trying to become criminals.

          • Jeep

            Tell that to 3000 Americans from New York. Or, maybe those 1500 at Pearl Harbor would like to hear that. Perhaps those 9 Americans murdered over the weekend. Oh, just screw ‘em all. Right?

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Until the day comes when we can all lay our armor down, we will need strong men willing to do violence on our behalf to keep us free.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Methinks your logic is a bit skewed.

          • http://Darwin Fog of War

            Are you saying America is a rogue nation?

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Ah, apt replies. Well said.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      tell it to the Muslims.

  • http://charter howe

    The leadership in our great nation for the most part, really sucks, having said that, I spent 29 years in the military and have particpated in some really unpleasant duties, but at the end of the day I was committed to supportingg the Constitution of the United States and the lawful appointees over me. Thats the way the Republic works, anything less creates deviseness confusion loss of people and eventually losing the battle or war. You can’t ever believe your smart enoug to second guess what the commander in chief or commanders are planning. Having said all that if I did not believe in the participation of a particular military action, I would declare myself a concientious objector and take a bad conduct discharge which later could be upgraded if I had justifiable grounds to do so. I would never in any case take orders to harm United States ciizens on American soil because the govt decided to declare martial law for lame reasons that would jeaopardize Constitutional rights. Let me be clear, I would never follow an order that would take a human life that I was sworn to protect under our U.S. Constitution and only cowards would commit such a heinous act.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Just one comment: thank you, Howe, for your honorable service.

    • Granny Mae

      Howe,

      Thanks for the chance to say THANKS ! We thank your family too for enduring while you were off protecting the rest of us !

  • Virginia Tranbarger

    Hi, Alison and Stevie,

    Just thought you might like to read these comments.

    Love, Mom

  • Wade

    Bible Prophecy is being fulfilled people. Its time to get ready to leave this earth. Make sure your name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

  • Cliff Woods

    Saddam Husien Obama when he “Pledges Undying Suport To Isrial” it reminds me of when he said “Unemployeement Will Not Exceed 8%”, “I Will Not Raise Taxes” etc. If Isrial does attack Irans Nuclear Production Facilities Iran< Lebanon ec will attack Isrial and Obama will go to a Ball Game or Fund Raiser or Does He Play A Violin! If The U.S. and the rest of the World believes our "Surper Prez we are in a HELLUVAMESS and as one commenter stated DOOMSDAY is in sight!

  • Hans Brinkhuis

    Im Think the best way to save America and its people is to gt rid of
    all muslims and all islamic nations they are the real threat in todays world ,and maybe the muslim in the White house is the blame,
    he said that America is not a Christian nation any more so now they want to built Islm temple at ground zero in New York,because Obama
    had made a islamic temple in the white house “what a shame”.
    We sould remove him out of the Oval Office as soon as possible and hold special election at the end of September and put all new people
    in Washington DC. Thank You.

    • Hans Brinkhuis

      God Bless America and the brave who have lost their lives for our freedom

    • eddie47d

      There is no Islamic Temple in the White House so nothing is served by your smoke screens.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        No, you are correct. However, Obama did completely ignore the National Day of Prayer, yet later honored a Muslim holy day and publicly prayed with Muslims. Hmmm. That’s kind of telling, don’t you think?

        • Darwin

          Keep drinking the kool aid.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            I prefer a good glass of wine or a good lager.

    • Norm

      Hans Brinkhuis
      Extremist christians are no better than extremist muslims.
      Hans you sound pretty extreme.

  • http://www.navigatingthroughprophecy.com Rav James Talbott

    Please follow this recumbent scenario. Country #1 hates Country #2 & seeks to kill their army and win their hearts & minds. Country #1 has a Constitution and religion as does country #2 whose constitution and religion is opposite to country #1. This cannot be allowed, sez the big dogs of these countries. We are going to change you and fill you with hope, stupid, by shedding your blood! Country #1,s wise Congress forgets the Constitution and hides under their desks while the current “great leader” declares war for them. The worshipful pew puppies also forget their constitution & do the great kings bidding. The military seizes the chance to do their job & kill the enemy to win their hearts & minds. However, nothing seems to work? but the hatred infecting everybody on planet earth does work quite nicely. Psalms 2 says that the Almighty laughs at them and holds their leadership in derision. I think that I will stick around and watch His reaction to all this insanity.

  • Willie D

    Jim,

    Great story, but if you have read, and understand Revelation in the bible, you would see that all of this is exactly what the book of God has warned of since it was first recorded.
    Don’t be fooled by names of areas in Revelation, but researcha nd you will find that this battle shaping up, will happen, and it will be terrible! Thee will be blood flowing in the streets, as never before!
    Helecopter attacks with terrible “stings in their tails” will reek havoc amongst many millions of people.
    But if I understand it correctly, then those of us who believe that Christ came to earth as God in living flesh, and was crucified, and rose again from the dead to pay for my sinful ways, will not have to suffert his, but will watch the un-willing to repent suffer and die for eternity.
    Sound bad? It is for those who will not believe. For us though, it will be peace and beauty for the rest of eternity!

  • Bailey

    If we were living in a dream world, where all humanity loved each other, respected their God given rights, there would be no need for any effort to preserve our form of government or life style. However, we live in the reality that real forces exist out there to destroy us…for whatever reasons. To ignore this, is not only stupid, but points to an insight that is two inches from our noses. Israel is a small democratic country populated by a people who have been persecuted throughout history, to the tune of losing millions in concentration camps. They have learned that the enemy understands one simple thing…massive force and response to a well thought out and intelligently evaluated threat to their being. Israel does not seek war but protection. If it means going to war to protect the lives and health of its citizens, they will do it. Unlike us, we have elected the enemy and he is among us. We are losing from within. The very threads and core of our being have been attacked, demeaned, marginalized, and made to appear unworthy. Delusional thought, unreal utopian Marxist promises, have fooled the majority into believing that something for nothing, collectivism, redistribution of wealth by deceitful taking from and demeaning achievers, is the answer to the problems that have made us sick. I strongly disagree. War is a necessary evil that sometimes requires the ultimate sacrifice from men and women who see liberty and freedom as the only framework to life, with all its problems, and the pursuit of happiness. God Bless our men and women in uniform, no matter where they are stationed.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    “They” = Control all Communications
    “They” = Control all electricity
    “Yhey” = Control all fuel
    “They = Control all interstate Transportatioon
    “They” = Control all Military
    “They” = Control all Monetary policies
    “They” = Control all police.

    We = Control Our Vote (unless eletronic voting machines are used.)
    We = Control our Lead emitters (if you own one)

    I dont paint a Pretty picture, perhaps I am in error looking at this this way, but as I see it we are backed into a corner. Not too many ways out either.

    • Only in America

      Yes, you live in a police state and gun ownership does nothing to ensure freedom.

      All you had was the constitution but after 9-11 so many gave it up.

    • Norm

      Bitter Libertarian
      You’re backed into a corner of your narrow mind.

    • Eric Bischoff

      You forgot our biggest weapons. Consumerism and Tax revenues without them they can’t do squat. One only takes discipline, the other takes real guts.

  • http://internet messenger

    The young of this country does not know history,are or they conserned about god,all they are interested in is having Sex,taken Deugs,and having being party hounds,they are the ones that help put this muslim president in office.Why !!they do not know anything about GOD AND dO NOT CARE.

    • amerikanhero

      It is the young that fight and die.My guess? You are to old to serve.

      • Only in America

        You are never too old to serve.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I know quite a few really wonderful young people who do not fit the mold of which you speak. Don’t fall into the trap of grouping all young people in the same pit. Besides, all young people make some bad decisions. I remember making quite a few of them myself when I was young. Instead of putting them all down, try making a difference: be a voice of love and reason in their lives and stop condemning them.

    • Granny Mae

      messenger,
      I don’t agree with you an all young people being drug users and not caring about anything. Some of still raise our children with love and teach them to reason and think for themselves. We just had a wedding in this family and every young person there was great. At the father daughter dance, our littel girl fell into her daddy’s arms and they danced and cried together for 5 minutes. There wasn’t a dry eye in the place including the young people there. They prayed for the newly weds and joined in their celebration and there wasn’t a druggie in the place. I love the young people in my life and family.

  • bobinpa.

    We had better “Take Care” of Iran NOW. The sooner the better. This Muslim, Marxist, in the White House is CLUELESS. His whole Regime is, as it’s made up of Mslims/Communists/Marxists/And America HATERS. {I thought I’d borrow those Left Wing Scumbags term “Haters”}.If Iran gets a Nuke, Israel is going to be in trouble, and we are going to be like we were in the “Cold War” with Russia. Those Ragheads in Iran will give Nukes to every “Muslim Raghead Nation in the world. What will happen will make 9/11 look like an “Incident”. Is Obama an American?? Do you know for sure??.Remember, Nukes don’t have to be delivered by Air. Are our Borders Secured?? A lot of Japanese died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, BUT a lot of American lives were saved. Tehran and that Regime can and should be taken out for the same reason.

    • eddie47d

      Your extremisms are always trying to light the fires of hell on earth. I don’t want your anger ruling the world.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        While that may be true, neither do we want your pacifism getting our throats cut like sheep at the slaughter.

    • Norm

      bobinpa.
      When it comes to hatred, your right up there with the best. Get a grip and try to act like the Christian you think you are.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Israel is perfectly able to take up for itself. Don’t worry, Israel will do what it has to do to survive, including using its nukes.

      • Bob

        You must be one of those Evangelical Christians that kisses the Israeli flag.

        • Fog of War

          Well put Bob

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          No, I’m one of those Christians who tries to be obedient to the command to pray for the peace of Israel. I also have enough background in the military to know that Israel has the firepower and will to take care of itself that includes having the nuclear capacity to make most of the Middle East glow for a thousand years, if pushed to the brink.

          • Al Sieber

            Jerry D, spoken like a true “Zionist” Christian.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Al, I refer you to one of my earlier posts. Zionists are primarily atheists, not true Israel. But, as a Christian, I’m under mandate from God to pray for the peace and prosperity of Israel. I pray for true Israel.

        • Al Sieber

          Bob, good one, I owe you a beer.

          • Bob

            It’s very hot here in New Jersey. Maybe I’ll have 2

      • coal miner

        Jerry D,

        You are out for lunch.Israel is a bigger threat to us than communist China.They have being caught stealing our sensitive technology and spying.Not once,but a number of times.Bring our troops home now.Let Israel fight their own battles.

        • coal miner

          JerryD,

          I meant have been.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Hey, I’ll be the first to say that Israeli espionage is a threat to us in some ways. On the other hand, they are not a viable threat to us militarily. The espionage of many other nations is far greater and, militarily, there are also many others, including Islamic terrorists, who are greater threats. It wasn’t Israel who brought down the twin towers. Israel knows we are their greatest and most powerful allies, they would never provoke us militarily. Use your noggin for something more than a place to hang your hat.

  • http://www.navigatingthroughprophecy.com Rav James Talbott

    Willy D,
    Right on, bro. Yes, I have read revelation for the last 48 years and have written on it extensively on my website, navigstingthroughprophecy.com. The Almighty is judging a sinful and gainsaying world and Yeshua/Jesus will do a sure course correction to this wandering ship of state. As an old war veteran, I am just going to sit and watch God work through this mess. I do not expect the swells to pay attention until it is too late. LOL.

    • Hans Brinkhuis

      You know that GOD is the best inventer of all times.
      He took a Rib out of Adam and made it a loudspeaker.

      • Oh No

        Then Cain killed them all.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Sadly, James, I believe you’re right about the swells of humanity. They will not recognize the terror that’s coming until it’s too late. This world will go the way our Lord has prophesied.

  • Hans Brinkhuis

    Why our governmet can not force Obama to sow his real Birthcertificate
    and his original Passport and his school/university records to our nation,maybe he is afraid of being sent back to Kenya.

    • Norm
      • ValDM

        Note the title of this document “Certification of Live Birth”……..
        is NOT a Birth Certificate, at least the same kind of Birth Certificate I had to show in order to claim Social Securtiy.

        • Norm

          ValDM
          Were you born in Hawaii?

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Hopefully he wasn’t born in Kenya, like our President.

    • William

      Because he has and the nuts don’t want to see it.

      • JC

        The certificate of live birth he showed is first of all a forgery and secondly, a real one can be obtained by tourists who happen to give birth in Hawaii. It is NOT proof of citizenship.

        • Norm

          JC
          If you’re born in the US, and are alive, you are a US citizen. Read the Constitution.

          • JC

            was he born in the US? I don’t believe that for a minute.
            there is WAY too much eveidence that he is hiding EVERYTHING about his past. The guy is an imposter who’s whole persona is built on lies, plain and simple.

          • JC

            No birth certificate among passport documents

            Conspicuously missing from file stating Obama born in Hawaii

            View Source: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=188769

          • Claire

            Don’t you think the Republicans would have found out the truth by now regarding a birth certificate? Don’t you think the FBI, CIA would know the truth? If there is no birth certificate I think someone somewhere would have found out the REAL truth by now. How in hell will the real truth ever be found, if it hasn’t been found out by now? How will there be a reliable source?

          • Bob

            Obama vs Schwarzenneger in 2012. Aprecedent has already been set.

          • JC

            Claire, the Republicans work for the same cartel that the Democrats do. They aren’t going to say anything if they ever want to be at the front of the gravy train again.

          • Claire

            JC–I know they are from the same “cartel.” But still, I would think the Repubs would have come up with some proof that there is no birth certificate–that would mean Obama would be out and they would get in??!! Nothing makes sense anymore. The entire political system and both parties are nothing more than a sham.

        • Norm

          JC
          As far as the birth certificate being a forgery – prove it.
          You right wing nuts always feel everyone lies and cheats like you do.

          • JC

            Oh, I’m back to being a right wing nut again huh? LOL
            You delusional morons have one thing going for you…name calling, like little kids.

          • dan az

            no norm I think it is up to elmoron to prove it

          • Norm

            Guilty until proven innocent. What part of America do you come from?

          • Bob

            The birth certificate BS is just a diversion so they can steal all of our money.

    • THOMAS STEWART

      Hans Brinkhuis It Is Called Chi-Town Mafia Style Politics, Yikees, However Read “The Manchurian President” A Great Read For Both Sides, But Remember The Truth Hurts So Our Paperless Pres Obama And His News Media Will Turn There Back On Facts Like Spending Over A Million Tax Dollars Hiding Such Things As School Records, Passport, Social Security Card, And Of Course Long Form Birth Certificate, Yikees, Google Rev James D. Manning PhD A Very Honest Black Proud American, Yippee.

    • William

      Perhaps you should show us yours and your IQ.

  • Paul

    This website and its comments are usually very clever and deep and go to a level that the mainstream media often doesn’t.

    It is therefore disappointing to see it completely fall apart whenever Israel is mentioned. It is a shame to see that world back into the its-all-the-Jews-fault nonsense.

    Quite frankly, Israel is a sovereign nation and does not need the go-ahead from America to do anything. I can understand that the Americans don’t want to get tied up into another war with Iran. I say let the Israelis give the Iranians a real pasting. America can stay out of it and keep out of the way. Israel would be badly bloodied, but in the end, probably victorious.

    I think it has been an error on the part of Israel not to go public with the fact that it has nukes (which it is almost certain to have). The fact that they long have had to ability to wipe out the Arab countries (and Iran) and send them back into the stone age – yet have not done so – is further evidence to the benign (perhaps too benign) intentions Israel has toward their mortal enemies.

    • Raggs

      No, actually I thought this was going to be blamed on Bush….

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Well said. But, hey, you’re not going to convince the anti-semites. They don’t listen to reason.

      • Only in America

        You need to know that the Arabs are also Semites.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Actually, they’re part semite and part hamite. As a matter of fact, the Israelites are also kin to the Persians/Iranians. This is a religious war, not a racial war.

          • Bob

            There are a million Jews living in Iran and they are not persecuted like the Israelis persecute the Palestinians.

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Ageed as far as physical persecution in Iran goes. However, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it the President of Iran that said he wants to wipe Israel off the map. And, who lives in Israel: Seventh Day Adventists? No, Jews. I’d certainly have to conclude that threatening the extermination of millions of Jews to be a form of persecution, wouldn’t you?

  • Bill

    This administration will not go to war with Iran. No way. Obama is a Muslim. Obama is at war with the American people and he will sick FEMA on the American people and put Americans in concentration camps before he does something about a nuclear Iran. Obama is probably working secretly with the Iranians to help get them a nuclear bomb.

    • Soma

      First we will send the Mexicans there. Then we can send you.

    • eddie47d

      Here comes the conspiracy nuts!

  • Bitter Libertarian

    If OBAMA is indeed a Muslim which is he? Sunni or Sheite?

    • G-Jean

      Sunni

    • All Clear

      Baptist

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Oh, that was a low shot.

    • JC

      Swahili?

    • THOMAS STEWART

      Bitter Libertarian Lets Call Him A Chi-Town Mafia Muslim, Yikees, Tom Fife In The American Free Press Was In Moscow In 1992 Where A Member Of The Russian Academy Of Sciences, Stated They Had Trained A Barack Abdallah Husein Obama As A Communist And Atheist, Yikees.

    • Norm

      Bitter Libertarian
      He seems to take all religion with a grain of salt. My kinda a guy.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Truthfully, I agree with you.

  • Raggs

    You have to remember that China is next door to Iran, China has just produced a missle that will sink aircraft carriers with a range of 900 miles.

    • patrick H.T. paine

      Whew, I am relieved…….most of our carriers have a
      range far greater than 900 miles.

      Is our children learning?

      • Raggs

        Retard!

    • dan az

      Raggs
      china dosent produce anything of there own design,so that means they stole it just like every thing else. have you ever had anything from china that worked?I just petty who ever is near that thing when it goes kaboom on the launch pad or in line of site. If it was me I would be on my camel running for my life when they fire it.

      • Norm

        dan az
        That’s exactly what they said about Japan about 40 years ago. Think about it when you drive your Panasonic electronics home in your Honda.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Guys, Norm has a point. It doesn’t matter where you got the technology, only if you know how to use it. China is becoming a world military power – there’s no denying that. Yet, our President want’s us to unilaterally lay down our arms. Idiot!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Remember, Clinton allowed the sale of guidence system equipment to China. Remember his little end run around National Security?

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          I rest my case.

    • Norm

      Raggs
      Guess who financed China’s progress?

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Hmmm. Let me guess: Israel? No, just kidding! Must be us.

  • carsuna

    What would happen if, for example, Los Angeles pulled out all of its police officers and closed all police stations in the county? Hmmmm? Go figure…

    • Eric Bischoff

      What would happen is chaos and mayhem, but the rich would be protected as they would be ready to hire and could afford Blackwater/Z to cover them. That’s already in the works suckers.

  • Ricky Roo

    To find out where we are headed just look to George Soros. He hates what the US stands for even though it is because of us that he has amassed his billions. They will embroil us in another war to drain us to the point that we have nothing left then come in and pick up the pieces. and that my friends is what we have to worry about more than some idiot in Iran beating on a table top trying to emulate Russia’s Khrushchev beating his shoe on the table at the UN.
    We could have been out of Afghanistan 9 years ago with one well placed tactical nuke and sent all the terrorist up to see another dead ghost named Allah and buried those mountains in rubble.
    But the powers that be were and are afraid of the political outcome of such an action not that what we did has been any better. Just think of the money and manpower we would have saved. This whole thing would have had some political repercussions but in the end just like with Japan they would have known that it they want to play with the big boys, the big boys will play with the big toys and that they on all fronts will lose for the betterment of mankind. And this time you don’t tell them two weeks in advance that we are coming, you just lock and load it in and go and don’t give them time to do anything but look up and say OH SHIT!! Allah here we come.
    What are we afraid of…Soros and his big mouth who works diligently behind the scenes to the downfall of our way of life or what some little big mouth in Iran or some other country in the world says who hasn’t enough brain cells to figure it out that his day is coming if he continues this kind of rhetoric. The world is getting too small to listen to the BS. What happens in any one part of the world is broadcast on every TV in the world before the dust has a chance to settle. They don’t like us anyway so why not give them a reason to really be afraid and not like us? The Muslims were thrown out of Europe once and that day is going to come again once the Europeans and the rest of the world get fed up with being pushed around by some rag headed terrorists and burqa wearing woman who are probably too brain washed to realize that they are human beings and not subject to some inverted rules from antiquity.
    Will the next war come …only if we allow ourselves to be drawn into it! Bin Laden had it close to being right by attacking the US at home us he knew that we would retaliate and he thought, but wrong, that the whole of the Muslim world would come down on us because of it. Now what they are trying to do is to draw us into attacking them for what they will say to the high heavens was unprovoked aggression and that the whole world should be against us and it might work if we allow ourselves to be drawn in with this over blown we are right ego’s that prevails through Washington DC.
    If we are going to do it, screw the 4000 lb bunker bombs. Go for the gusto and give everyone a taste of what a real war is and the devastation that follows to their way of life not ours.
    The world is changing and talking to camel jockeys is like talking to your kids, they don’t listen till you get their attention.

    • All Clear

      Give War a chance. Bush did.

      • Ricky Roo

        Yes and 9 years later look what we have.

        • Claire

          Another Viet Nam.

          • Bob

            MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

        • Sea Captain

          “Heck of a job Brownie.”

      • Norm

        What’s 4000 dead, God knows how many maimed, and a trillion dollar IOU.
        Oh yeah and we won 0. If you think Iraq is a success. wait til the 100,000 US troops leave.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Again, Norm has a point.

        • Bob

          We got the oil. Mission accomplished

    • THOMAS STEWART

      Ricky Roo Great Idea For A Sarah Palin Pres, Yippee, However You Better Not Tell The Obama Zombies Or There Leader “The Manchurian Muslim Pres Obama, Because He Will Want To Talk The Enemy To Death, Yikeess, Everything This Longlegged Mack Daddy Has Touched Has Turned To Sh-t. Google Rev James D Manning PhD Great Videos.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Rather crudely put, but he makes a point.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Its amazing that those here that would condone an attack on another nation. Do you not UNDERSTAND that is in direct VIOLATION of the VERY CONSTITUTION you Complain OBAMA VIOLATES!! Do you not understand thats called HYPOCRACY?

    You are a Bigger Problem then Obama because you actually “hold’ the Constitution in one hand as you wipe your arse with it in the other!

    Wake UP! PLEASE

    • Steve

      what you all need to understand is that the masters of the universe (the Bilderbergs) are pulling Obama’s strings the same way they pulled Bush’s, Clinton’s, Bush’s father and all the other presidents….all of the wars since before WW2 have been all about making money for bankers and industrialists….the miltiary industrial complex will never allow the wars to end, they are making way too much money….the wars it will go on forever at the expense of our brave soldiers and our countries treasure and currency….People need to realize this and send a message….bring our troops home and have them protect our borders….

    • Only in America

      Most here don’t respect the freedoms offered by the constitution. They watch too much tv news and thump their holier then thou bible.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Why don’t you call it hypocrisy when Obama does it! I certainly don’t advocate attacking any nation that doesn’t do anything against us. However, if they are harboring our enemies, then this simple principle should prevail: any friend of our enemy is our enemy.

      • Fog of War

        Why can’t Obama have his own war.

        Instead of 2 handed down wars.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Just give him time.

  • Marcus Aurelius

    Iran will be the next surrogate war between the superpowers. China and improved silk worm missiles. China needs us less and less.

    Look for Korea to escalate and Taiwan return to the fold.

    If you didn’t want to pay taxes you should say no to military build-up. Since you can “better spend your money”.

    Seems to me this is what YOU conservatives want. War!!

    While you fight in Afghanistan China mines their strategic metals.

    Remember wars aren’t free and not everyone supports your view on the necessity and that Israel is anybody’s ally.

    I suppose the FED can print more money and fund the war.

    Gee wasn’t it last week when you hated the Hispanics?

    Or was it BP?

    Or Obama?

    Or medical care?

    Or taxes?

    Fear and anger leads to war. It seems like it is the only thing the party of NO supports.

    • Steve

      I thought the democrats controlled congress the last 2 years….

      • pappy

        The last 2 years have little to do with our situation ,it’s thirty years of Freidman “Reaganomics”that has put us here.

        • Only in America

          Reagan deregulated the Banks and Wall street.

          Reagan gave illegals amnesty.

          Reagan ended the sky marshal program.

          Reagan ran up a such a huge debt with trickle down that Stockman resigned.

          • dan az

            Holy Sh&t now its regans fault Now i understand where obumer gets it pointing fingers and blaming every one for his stupidity.Cant any of you liberal whiners grow a set of balls and admit that your wrong?I’ll bet when you fart you blame the guy standing next to you dont you?

          • Darwin

            Reagan is no longer considered a republican.

        • JC

          And the left/right blame game goes round and round like the hamster wheel that it is…When are folks going to wise up? It’s the “Federal Reserve” and “Keynesian Economics” that are doing us in…doesn’t matter who’s in office or what color their tie is.

      • Jeep

        Steve, congress has been in Dem hands four yrs.

        • Only in America

          Gee when it was republican they could have fixed things, but they made them worse.

          • Jeep

            I get your point…the problem is that most conservatives will call it for what it is, libs tend to make excuses. When the Reps messed up, conservatives made note, and independants voted the other way. However, when lib dems mess up, most dems tend to make excuses.

    • JC

      I don’t get it…are you making a point of some kind?
      Pointing a finger at someone? Just generally angry?
      You might want to sit back and breath a little before
      you attack your keyboard.

    • George

      So many drank the kool aid and remain ignorant even now.

    • THOMAS STEWART

      Mr Marcus Aurelius Sounds Like You Might Head To Canada If We Have Another War, If So Just Stay There You Yellow Belly Muslim.

    • George

      Well spoken Marcus

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Hey, Marcus, when were you resurrected? By the way, Marcus Aurelius wasn’t exactly a peaceful emperor, you know? Have you libs ever considered the idea that sometimes a war is the only way to lasting peace? War is horrible; war is devastating; innocents die in war. But, a little research will show you that the socialist nations killed more people in “peace time” than America has ever done in war. Socialist nations, from Germany to Russia to China and all in between, have killed untold millions in the name of building their socialist utopias. If you libs don’t like this country, move to one of those and be activists. But if you do, I won’t promise to come to your funerals.

    • Darwin

      Marcus Aurelius you are right.

  • Harriette

    If Isreal bombs Iran, Russia will come to aid of Iran. They have been supplying Iran plutonium for their bombs. And all hell will break loose. Col. Stanislov Lunew , top CIA Agent defected to US when Russia collapsed in 1992. He said Russia and China have plans to invade us. There is more than problems from Iran and Isreal.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Yep, you’re right. That’s what the Book of Book says.

    • Bob

      China gets most of their oil from Iran. If Iran is attacked there will be no Mideast oil. Venezuela will stop shipping oil to the US. What are you bad ass warmongers going to do when gas is $10.00 a gallon. No fuel no tv or computers.

  • Deborah

    Well done! Good job as usual.

    This is not worth American lives.

    Obama lies and will leave Israel out in the cold.

    More war possible with China, N Korea..where next….America.

    • Jeep

      You are so right Deborah, let’s bury our dead, push dirt into ground zero and build a mosque there.

      • dan az

        Easy on Deb shes just freaking out again.

      • Only in America

        Yeah a evangelical one.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          What’s your point: Evangelicals can’t have an idea? Actually, I’ve rarely heard a good idea from liberals. All they can do is spout rhetoric.

  • atlas reborn

    The best thing to do is 1st we either send troops to our southern border and execute all border crossing illegals, and at the same time send our remaining troops to the states overloaded with illegal alleina and remove them from our country. then if calderon and mexico decide that they want war with us we annex mecico after we defeat thier invasion. then we can deal with the rest of the world on a sound footing. one without fear of internal revolts and an insolvent natiion. then we would not have to worry about Iran because Iran would know we would be able to carry out whatever we would have to do if Iran tries to attack our allies. You need to work from a position of strenth. and Iran would know we ment business. you can not bluff a nation that has capabilities and determination. we also need to balance our finances so we can pay for that that we need. that is what Reagan did. he was successful. nuff said.

    • Wendy

      Id like to execute the illegals from Canada, Europe, Africa and Asia too.

      • JC

        Kinda bloodthirsty aren’t ya?

    • JC

      You want to annex (invade) 100 million people? I thought we couldn’t afford the 18 million or so we already have?

      • eddie47d

        Well said.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Whoa, there, Atlas. I’m definitely in favor of shutting down the border, then packing up all illegals and sending them home. However, let’s not shoot down people who are simply trying to find a better life for them and their families. Now, I am defintely in favor of executing every drug runner and cartel member who wanders across the border, though.

  • Danny Buckles

    I do not know where Bob is getting his information of Obamas support of Israel. But I think he is terribly mistaken. I only wish that Obama was for supporting Israel in every way possible. But instead His focus and interest is toward the support of muslims. God said I will bess them that bless Israel and curse them that curse Israel. Watch the facts people take care what you read. I believe we should pray that america fully supports Israel in any endeavor that God leads them into. God Bless.

    • JC

      Zionists own the Federal Reserve…the Federal Reserve owns the White House…you do the math.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Spot on. And for the record, It matters to me not, who per say, but it does matter that they are not US Citizens! In other words their “ADJENDA” has nothing to do with our Rights, Freedoms, or our Way of Life as we desire it.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        And you talk about Conservatives being conspiratorialists?

        • JC

          Jerry if you feel like doing some home work on the subject instead of just rolling your eyes at it…you will find that this is real.
          And I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about…are you saying “I” accuse people of being conspiratorialists? (Is that even a word?)

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Well, I’ll do that. Thanks for the challenge. On the other hand, it really doesn’t matter if they’re zionists or not, they’re pure evil either way. It’s been a long time since good people really had control of this country.

    • eddie47d

      Danny; There have been Christian nations that were/are despicable and many Muslim nations that are despicable.Obama is not anti-Christian or anti-Israel or pro-Muslim. He sees the reality of the world and all it’s people and knows we can’t continue as we have been. Trying to please too many sides at once brings out allot of distrust and hurt feelings but somebody had to make that move. Muslims and Christians are spread out all over the world so neither side is playing with a full deck in wanting to annihilate the other.I certainly hope Christianity survives and thrives but not by destroying someones elses religion. That’s why so many say religion is the root of all evil.

      • Shine like a Beacon

        eddie47d

        We were never a christian nation.

        Less that 10% of the colonist even attended a church.

        Unless you think the witch dunking Puritans were a christian lot.

        • RABBI MAC

          SIR, I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU DO NOT REALLY KNOW YOUR AMERICAN HISTORY OR THE CHRISTIAN NATURE OF AMERICA. MOST OF THE CITIZENS DID GO TO CHURCH AND IN SOME OF THE COLONIES THERE WERE STATE (CHRISTIAN) CHURCHES AND MOST ATTENDED. YES I HAVE A DEGREE IN HISTORY AND RELIGIOUS HISTORY. I AM SORRY THAT YOU DON’T REALLY KNOW YOUR HISTORY.

          • Norm

            RABBI MAC
            The was never a state church in the Unitrd States of America.

          • Only in America

            That sounds like the USSR

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Actually, once in the Supreme Court and once in the New York Supreme Court, the US was ruled to be a Christian nation. Just a point of information. There is no realistic argument, however, against the fact that this nation was founded upon Judeo-Christian principles. A reading of the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence and the Northwest Ordinance will clearly indicate that they are primarily Christian documents. The principles of the Constitution are clearly based primarily on Judeo-Christian principles.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Have any of you guys ever read the UN Genocide Treaty? Genocide is considered a capital crime. If we were speaking only of killing a particular people group, I would certainly agree. However, it is also considered genocide if you convert enough people in an area from one religion to another to change the culture. That could pose a problem for Christians in the future. It should pose the same problems for other religions, but don’t count on it.

        • Sea Captain

          In other words Ethnic Cleansing

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            I suppose.

  • Beans

    And I thought the war mongers were commentng on the Yahoo site,wow, you guys a really sabre rattlers. I hope you all know what war is and means to people in its path. Death and Destruction. Y’all want a piece of that.

    • Norm

      Beans
      They love to talk about war, but ask them to pay for it or fight in it and the picture quickly changes.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      war is terrible. but there are worse things; like the loss of freedom.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Well said.

  • Howard R Gray

    The drum beat for war never ends, the warrior class has to do its business, and fortunately in the United States, there is some limit on the ability to levy war. Doing war is simply another stimulus plan, perhaps a more directed one, but a stimulus plan none the less.

    Does Iran have the bomb yet? Possibly is the answer. The one fact that is close to inevitable is that Iran will have a functioning nuclear weapon soon. The only question to consider is will they use it? Unlike the communists, radical Islamics don’t have a problem with killing infidels. Why should they? Their religion espouses Jihad as conversion or elimination of infidels by the sword. Exchanging a rusty scimitar for a low yield nuke has possibilities to game change the whole Middle East and the balance of power worldwide.

    How would the nuke be delivered? By a missile from old Byzantium or by mule across the southern border of the USA? It is reasonable to assume that mass warfare is being planned based on weapons that have the power to trump one or other of those who are targets for such weapons. There is a dire need to deal with this sort of threat without starting major wars to do so.

    You don’t have to have a hotline to the Pentagon to see possible scenarios. US Naval power is projected by huge aircraft carriers; it doesn’t take an Einstein to understand that these are an A1 targets. The recent news tells us of a new missile that can take out one of these ships. Are we surprised that this might be the case? The Royal Navy was forced by a Labour government to phase out aircraft carriers in the 1960s. The response was to develop tiny through deck carriers and jump jet aircraft to project power at sea which does at least limit the size of any one carrier as a target for antiship missiles. On the other hand the Falklands war saw the French Excocet missile, for which at the time there was no antidote, destroy a number of ships. It was good fortune that no carrier was hit. Merely being in the Persian Gulf is an invitation to attack one of these monster carriers, doing so would be a huge 9-11 symbol, every bit as potent as the attack on Pearl Harbour. Massive military power may not be the way to go in the near future let alone in the long term.

    Size and mass of power will not be enough to achieve hegemony. Iraq and Afghanistan chew up huge resources in a never ending struggle that seems to achieve precious little. The government of Afghanistan is accepted to be deeply corrupt yet nothing is done to deal with that fact, nor will anything be done. The objective of democratizing of modernizing this nation isn’t working.

    How much worse can all this get? Imagine, if you would, a scenario where 4 or 5 nukes are smuggled across the border and placed near the center of 4 or 5 major US cities. If those who placed them chose to announce an ultimatum “convert to Islam or die” what would our government do?

    The war in Afghanistan isn’t going well, nor will it. It is yet another war that precludes crossing parallels and borders, as was the case in Korea and Viet Nam. These wars are not winnable in the classic sense; because there is no resolve to levy all out war and win come what may. It is inevitable, at some point, that the troops will come home. The nation cannot afford to project power without intent to win. The Romans wouldn’t do it, so why should we?

    Exporting democracy won’t do it either. Tribal lands do not respond well to Westminster or Congressional democratic forms of government. Some type of cantonal government would have been a better structure, in short to create government analogous to the Swiss model. Without recognizing tribal forces, the unitary state is a non starter. However, in the final analysis, without an intention to remain in Afghanistan indefinitely, there is no real hope of a worthwhile outcome either. The day the US troops leave, it will only be weeks before the old order of pre feudal war lords will assert their age old power over the population. The inanity of the Taliban is not recognizing that merely waiting is all they need do.

    There is a need for asymmetrical politics and or warfare applied in reverse to the Taliban or any place on this earth that needs management. It is high time that regular forces were removed from democratization duties in these benighted nations, in their place there should be irregular forces designed to neutralize political and physical threats to the US.

    Rather than worry about democratizing nations, it would have been far better if the policy objective was to find ways to remove nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction with methods short of all out war.

    Asymmetric methods of warfare should be applied in reverse to terrorism as mentioned earlier. The solution, in outline, would include a massive increase in human intelligence in the remote hostile areas of the world, followed by highly mobile surgical forces that can intervene with superior power coupled with surprise stealth and other technology to destroy the offending weapons of mass destruction or other more political objectives. The future should be to concentrate on creating power projection in novel ways; the solutions to problems will require originality not the same old mass warfare methods.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “Asymmetric methods of warfare should be applied in reverse to terrorism as mentioned earlier. The solution, in outline, would include a massive increase in human intelligence in the remote hostile areas of the world, followed by highly mobile surgical forces that can intervene with superior power coupled with surprise stealth and other technology to destroy the offending weapons of mass destruction or other more political objectives. The future should be to concentrate on creating power projection in novel ways; the solutions to problems will require originality not the same old mass warfare methods.”

      Spot on!! I only wish your policy would be our Foreign policy…Oh thats right the US does not HAVE a foreign policy..its do whatever Big Business and tratiorous politicians want.

      • Darwin

        The supply siders think wars are free.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Huh?

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Well said. However, it’s obvious from all of the stupid mistakes our government makes that they have no intention of spoiling their well-laid plans by actually using intelligence (the personal kind).

  • Delores Smith

    BOB LIVINGTON – A TERRIFIC ARTICLE Thank you….
    I was opposed to Obama doing his war games at South Korea, and I dislike even more his eleven warships moving with Israel toward Iran. The resolution set up in the House to support Israel needs to be looked at closely…as to our involvement. Is is possible that Obama is leading Israel to the wolves? Is it possible that Obama is trying to prevent the election from taking place in November?
    I plan to go the polls in November, and it will be:
    BOOM BOOM BOOM
    Take care, Bob.
    Delores Smith

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Mr. Livingston:

    After reading your article, I wondered if you had ever served in the military.

    War games are necessary in a specific theater to insure everyone is up to speed and prepared for military action. The cost in lives of not being prepared could be great.

    I am not a supporter of the wars in the middle east and do not believe we should have gone there to begin with. Many years in the intelligence field brought me to this opinion. When we finally leave Iraq, it likely will return to way it was before we got there. The fighting between the various religious groups and ethnic differences
    has been on going for several hundreds years. The same holds true for Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    You can’t place much faith in proclamations regarding whether Iran has or has not stopped production. My personal opinion of the announcement you mentioned is they said this to get their rears out of a situation they did not know how to deal with. Know one thing, you cannot trust anything Iran says and don’t believe for a minute their production is for peaceful purposes only and they did not stop production of nuclear grade material.

    I totally agree with you about the consequences of a strike on Iran by Israel. Israel does not and should not trust the present administration because their support has leaned more toward the Arabs. You are correct in your assumptions about who supports Iran but I believe that Israel has the tacit support of the other countries in the middle east. They know what a nuclear armed Iran means to them and they don’t want this. It comes down to the
    “what if” if they do strike. This is where France, England and other western countries has to become involved. They have let things get out of control in their own countries and have looked the other way on Israel. They will have to decide who they support. If they announce pledged support to the United States in backing an Israeli strike, the game is over for Iran and believe they will suddenly become more cooperative as their leader is just crazy, not stupid.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Yes let’s see who would support Israel attacking Iran? Could it be those wonderful dictators of Saudi Arabia. The very country from which the 9/11 High jackers came from. The Country Osama Bin Ladden is from. The country that Bush and Cheney and the Neocons so love.

      • Norm

        Eric Bischoff
        Oil is a many splendered thing. There is nothing like money to cause one to change his stripes.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        And the same people that paid for Obama’s college education.

  • http://aol.com dave z

    we and england are of the tribes manasa and ephraim, forgive the spelling. only 2 of the tibes are jews. when the bible talks about israil it means us to.iran says the us is the big satan. the only hope i saw as to iran ,was our missle defence system. obama did away with that.i dont know how we can stop those idiots from launching nukes when they get them.anyway enjoy your unemployment.we all just have to wait till this nut job puts us in the new world order. then the solutions to all our problems will magicly appear.how nice while we all stand in line to recieve there mark.wake up or we will be sheep to the slaughter.

    • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

      dave z wrong God will come back and settle up with Obumer and his sidekicks it will End all Wars once and for all then He will Restore the Earth Better then beforit will take 1000 years to fix what man Has destroyed see Rev 20:4 through 10 then go to 1 Corn 15:50 through 54 this is part of the resteration duringat Christ,s Return NOW go to 1 Corn 15:22 through 28. read your Bible.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Robert, there will be huge wars and literally billions of deaths before the Lord returns to end war for good. Of course, war has been used by God in the past to execute judgment on the nations of the earth.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Larry H

    Mr Livingston seems to believe if we just look the other way everything will be alright, just like many in the US in late 1930′s and 1940. Iran is the one forcing a war. Their religious ideology and nuclear weapons don’t bode well for the rest of the world. Nuke em and get it over with.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Sadly larry H that is EXACTLY the mentality and stance that a FEAR RIDDEN COWARDICE POLICE STATE takes. “We better take away the people guns “in case”….preemptive = tyranny.

      Ideas like that its no wonder people like OBAMA got into office.

    • JC

      Before we go around “nuking” folks…maybe we should clean up our own back yard and foreign policies. We have some serious threats right here in America.

      • Claire

        JC–I agree with you 100%. We have serious threats in our own backyard. I say clean house here in America first, then we will see what we have left to do. We do need a game plan as far as this matter is concerned.
        Okay, Mullen said there was a plan to attack Iran. If our government has any sense at all they would have “plans” for all our enemies in case of an attack. That is common sense strategy. This is called preparedness. However, this does not necessarily mean we will attack Iran. If we do, we better have damn good reason. Nukes? It could very well be the end of the world. Nothing/no one will come out unscathed. We have no idea what and how much arsenal Iran has, including North Korea. We could very well bite off more than we can chew. Like beef jerky, the more we chew the bigger it gets. I would suggest beefing up our military and weaponry right here at home. And KEEP OUR MOUTHS SHUT ABOUT IT. We do not need to advertise to the world what we stockpile. We always tell the world about the military bases we close, the war planes we quit manufacturing, etc. I always think other countries (enemies) will think we are weak when our government tells this stuff. Hell, our enemies already know the bind America is in. But of course, people would scream about not being told everything. There is a lot of truth to the old adage: Speak softly and carry a damn big stick. (I added the extra word for emphasis.)
        BTW–the Boom Boom was an added “clincher” to this article. Good “sound effects.”

        • JC

          Right. We should fortify and learn to mind our own damned business.

        • JC

          I should qualify that as – until these damned “Globalists” are dealt with.

    • Norm

      Larry H
      They can’t have nukes, but we can, and it’s fine for us to premtively use them.
      Try thinking that one over.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        I’d rather be on the side with the nukes than the other. And, I certainly don’t advocate giving ours away while the Irans and North Koreas of this world keep theirs. That would be a fool’s path to destruction.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Larry H

    Where did the idea of neat clean warfare come from? What I call tit for tat warfare, guaranteed to create unending conflict, you bomb my house and I bomb yours then next week we do it all over again.
    How about if you bomb my house I use every thing I have to kill you, your neighbor, your family,your city, your country so that you will never be in a position to attack me or anyone else again. And the next time someone thinks about attacking me they will say to themselves “you know that might not be a good idea”. War is supposed to be horrible, the worst possible conditions. That causes everyone to try and avoid it

  • http://www.dancollins888.info&http://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

    Reports say Obama admitted he’s a Muslim
    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1053338

    Two major Middle East media outlets – Nile TV International and Israel Today Magazine http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=2041 — are reporting that the president has admitted in recent months that he is a Muslim.

    Those outlets say Obama, in a one-on-one meeting with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Gheit,
    told Gheit that he was still a Muslim, and he was sympathetic towards the Muslim agenda.

    Half-White — All Radical Muslim Presidential Candidate Obama said in interviews & his books…

    “It’s my intention to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren.”

    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

    [ "Obama mis-spoke." aka. Freudian slip ] “I am proud of my Muslim, er, uh, my Christian faith.”

    “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides.”

    ‘There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression.”

    “If we as a nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails, perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments.”

    “We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice.”

    • Bitter Libertarian

      So by that It would seem Obama is a Sheite Muslim?

      I know its a pretty twisted & confused one but it does make a big difference which he is..

      • Sea Captain

        I was under the belief that we had religious freedom in America. Did that end with 9-11?

        • dan az

          Of course just look for it in the Koran.

          • Fog of War

            After 9-11 is that all you left us?

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Of course not. However, lying to the American people, who are predominately Christian, is a serious offence. Of course, progressives are more than willing to lie to further their agenda.

          • Bob

            Jerry You seem to know alot about Israel. Who is Mordecai Vanunu?

          • William

            Mordecai Vanunu a political prisoner?

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Mordecai Vannunu is a former Israeli nuclear scientist who revealed Israeli nuclear secrets because he objected to nuclear war. He was arrested and spent nearly 20 years in prison. Since then he has been somewhat persecuted by the Israeli government. While I applaud his passion, he has no more right to reveal his country’s secrets than the soldier who recently released more than 9.000 of our military’s secret documents.

          • Bob

            Israel is persecuting someone.?

    • Norm

      Dan Collins

      Some facts, some misstatements 1/2008
      Obama’s middle name is Hussein. His father and stepfather were Muslim. And he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, a largely Muslim country. But he attended secular and Catholic schools, not a radical madrassa.
      His campaign has been pushing back against the false rumors all year. His aides decried an incorrect news report that Obama was educated in a Muslim madrassa and a section of his Web site is devoted to correct that and other false rumors circulating on the Internet.
      But they are stepping up the effort now that the campaign has hit South Carolina and soon turns to other southern states where religion is so important to voters. The campaign distributed an open letter from seven Jewish senators this weekend condemning the attacks; aides are planning an event this week to respond directly to the e-mails; and campaign representatives blanketed South Carolina churches Sunday with literature that touted Obama’s Christian faith.

      • Only in America

        So what religion was little Timmy McVeigh?

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Actually, Little Timothy had connections to Muslim extremists. That’s never been made public, however, because they choose to claim that he was a Christian. However, no true Christian would perpetrate such an atrocity. And, by the way, 90 percent of all terrorists today are Muslims.

          • Darwin

            Oh yeah right like W wasn’t really a republican.

            What mosque do you attend?

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            Touched a nerve, did we? But, it’s the truth.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        How Many Times Must A Person Lie To You Before You Call Him A Yellow Belly Muslim Liar. Read The Manchurian Pres Obamacare The Man That Keeps His Zombies Full Of That New Obama Kool-Aid, Yikees, But It Has Bad Side Effects, Could Cause Lying And You Will Believe It. Here Is A Man That Lies So Much He Believes It, Like His Father Fought In WW2, Impossible Buckwheat, Better Get A New Telepromter, Yippee. Plus Barry Sotoro #203 In Jakarta 1/1/68 Thru 1/1/71, Yikees Was Enrolled In Class 1R As An Indonesian Citizen Whose Religion Was Muslim. Now You Obama Zombies That Trust This” Born To Lie” Another Good Read Than You Deserve Him Barack Abdallah Hussein Obama II AKA Barry Soetoro

        • Fog of War

          Drink the Kool Aid.

      • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

        Those F-15′s going to the Saudi’s are minus critical avionics. Not to worry, because Obama knows the Russians, and Chinese will supply the missing parts.

        Look for those F-15′s to be used in support of Iran against American and Israeli ground troops. Ever heard of cluster bombs? Come in 50 feet off the deck, go to quick altitude – drop the clusters.

        As to those subversive elements attacking anyone who opposes Obama — Shame on you.

        Obama’s “live-in” spiritual advisor is not Catholic — he is Muslim.

        Presidential candidate Obama told everyone he would destroy America, and because he is half-white no one listened to what he was saying. Now he is keeping just one promise of dozens he made. He is keeping his promise to destroy America.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        The man is in no way a true Christian. Get real.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Actually, that’s no surprise. However, thanks for the links.

      • Omega Files

        Thanks for the RANT

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          My answer was a little short to be called a rant. I have ranted before, though. Just trying to be like the libs a little.

  • ChuckL

    Why has no one, media or government mentioned that Obama has been in the process of emasculating the U. S. Military equipment supply. The Navy has had new ship capability reduced. The Air Force has had the F-22, our only fifth generation fighter terminated at a number that is insufficient for defense of the country.The F-22 is capable of supercruise, supersonic flight without afterburner, at Mach 1.5 or better. It carries 8 air to air missiles. It is truly stealthy. It is likely to be able to penetrate computer controlled air defense systems for another ten years. It has been replaced, according to Obama and SecDef Gates by the F-35 which is a ground attack fighter that has a radar cross section that is at least 10 times greater than the F-22, is incapable of supercruise, has a top speed of only Mach 1.6, and carries only 4 air to air missiles. The F-35 does not deserve the appellation “Fifth Generation”. (The F-106 in 1956 did have supercruise capability and set a single engined speed record of Mach 2.31. It carried more air to air missiles than the F-35) The F-35 can not evade detection by any modern air defense network. The F-35 is just a target drone for these systems.

    Obama and his Progressive cohorts have set us up for a major war to recover from his intended depression, just as Franklin D. Roosevelt did to end the “Great Depression” which was extended by his “Great Society”.

    You might want to read this Air Power Australia report and some of the links.

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-230209-1.html

    Obama and the Progressives (perhaps we should call them “Regressives”) must go.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Right on!

      • Only in America

        Obama plotted so well that he started the depression before he ever got into office.

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Oh, come on. It’s fact that Obumma has outspent any President in the history of our country and he’s only been in office two year. Oh, that’s right, it was really George Bush signing all those checks. Give me a break.

  • ONTIME

    Quite right, the FDR playbook coupled with Cloward and Piven is what the worst leadership we have had since Carter is using to plan the future of this nation. Kind of chokes you up with bile doesn’t it?

    mr. Sotero(socialist) who is turning out to be more economically inept than Jimmy the peanut Carter, less politically astute than Nixon and even more crooked than the Clintons is now plotting a course to another quagmire like the one LBJ did only we are now really short on guns and butter. The dope in the Whitehouse ignores the Federalist papers and the Constitution as if America has no idea what they are but soon the Novmeber Tsunami is coming, this I fear is his launch date to make another crisis come true and impose martial law.

    Keep your knives sharp and your powder dry and RE-PARE AMERICA’S GOVERNMENTS.

  • Keith

    The date for the war should be some where around November 23, 2010. This is after the election. Also, the countries which will be attacked are China, Russia, North Korea and Iran. Rothschild does not have control of these countries and he wants to get the wealth out of Iran as in gold. He is sick. Great article though.

  • Johnny

    The trouble with our President and Congress is they are being led
    and bought and paid for by Zionist collaborators. There is no existential threat to America from Iran. In addition, there is no beneficial interest or intrinsic security for the United States in fighting Israeli wars. The true moral imperative is to cut ties with Zionism and condemn the sociopathic arrogance that adheres to the superiority of the “chosen people” over the rest of humanity.
    Also watch out for a false flag attack on US soil as an excuse to
    start a war against Iran.

    • RABBI MAC

      I WISH FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT THE ZIONISTS ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE JEWS OR HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE. AS A MATTER OF FACT MOST OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF GOD IN THE SCRIPTURES. I HOPE THAT YOU DON’T MAKE THAT MISTAKE LIKE MANY DO THAT THE JEWS WANT TO CONTROL ANYONE OTHER THAN THOSE IN ISRAEL.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the anti-zionists have no real idea of this. They lay zionism on all of Israel.

      • coal miner

        RabbiMac,

        What Jewish sect do you belong too?

    • Fog of War

      Some really good points and well taken.

  • barbm

    Good article. I hear what all you folks have to say, but my question is, for whom did you vote for potus? If you voted for McCain, he’s just another neocon and never had a chance to beat Obama. I voted for Ron Paul who said he’d close all those military bases and posts around the world and stop the war in Iraq. Where were all you folks during that election?

    • Bitter Libertarian

      I agree 100%

  • 45caliber

    I hope this time if we do go to war with Iran, we simply trash the place enough to put them back into the 5th century where they think they still are and then leave without trying to spend trillions of dollars we don’t have to put it back together again.

    • J.Michael

      We tried that once. Here comes the Shah. I think he’s dead, but I’m sure they could find a relative, oh wait, we have to set-up a democracy.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I’ll vote for that. If we had made a deal with the Iraqi Army rather than disbanding it, we wouldn’t be fighting them now.

      • Omega Files

        Mission Accomplished.

  • Rennie

    They compare Obama to Lincoln, Wilson, or FDR, what similarities did those three Presidents share? Some big liberals speculate a “big” or “good” war like WW2 would get us out of this economic crisis just as it did the Great Depression, which incidentally I’d say was an admission FDR’s policies failed. I would say Isreal is on the chopping block as the scapegoat, they will gain nothing from such a conflict, and apt to lose everything. The issue for war is sunni vs. shia and our sons and daughters are being used as pawns, other places it is islam vs. communism, again our people are the pawns, the mercenaries for foreign rulers our great elected leader bows to.

    • William

      All were Muslims

  • atlas reborn

    for those of you who do not believe in God I have something you should think about. Knowing everything that you know I want you to think clearly. If you were on a space ship traveling through space and you came upon a planet totally devoid of any life and landed on it. and you found an advanced computer on this planet. you would have two possible things to think. one would be who put this computer on this planet, or two who made this. when you look at how perfect the earth is you have only two choices one who made this planet, or two who put this planet here. there are no other answers.

    • Tazio2013

      Yet another simplistic, illogical, irrational, unreasonable, crusading christian, glenn beck-following argument for warmed over creationism. Try reading/understanding something other than the bible (which is more absurd and irrelevant , the new testament or the old?) Suggest books from Hitchens, Dawkins and hundreds of other educated scientists and philosophers who require objectivity, clear-thinking, open-mindedness and not drinking deeply from the cup of creationism cool-aid!

      • 45caliber

        These books discuss the THEORY of evolution.

        If you look it up, “theory” basically means an “educated guess.”

        It is NOT yet fact so don’t consider it that.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Order and arrangement demand an intelligent originating cause. Order does not arise out of chaos. For instance, start off with a reasonable, orderly Judeo-Christian republic and eventually you’ll come up with a chaotic pagan democracy led by a total idiot, as we have now. ‘Nuff said.

    • Darwin

      That is very dumb.

      or

      Are you insane?

  • J.Michael

    Those 50,000 left in Iraq are now called TARGETS. You might as well put a “bulls-eye” on their backs. AHHH, 1948 the day GOD,… er, who created Israel? And let the fun begin. I don’t hear anybody talking about nuke’s in India,Pakistan or Israel, oh, that’s right they’re on our side,right. So, we sell F-15′s to the Saudi’s, but not the new ones. We run Naval skirmishes off the coast of North Korea(China) and we are back in Vietnam(China). What next? The Saudi’s have already given the go ahead to Israel for a clear fly zone to attack Iran. Does anybody smell a set-up?

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Most, not all, of the members of the nuclear club are either friends or at least non-beligerent. I, for one, want to keep it that way. Why would I want a nation that hates us to get its hands on nukes. Some of you progressives really don’t have many brain cells working, do you?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I seriously hope not, for one major reason. Right now, those in charge havent a clue what they are doing. My gosh, they just cut the major military command center in Norfolk, as a way of re-couping all the money they gave to GM, Chrysler, the banks, welfare, food stamps, unemployment, third world countries, and all of their other mistakes. Next I suppose, ala Bill Clinton, they will cut the intelligence agencies in half, so that more middle eastern terrorists can roam freely about the country setting up their next 9-11 type target. This is what these people do, and when their butts are thrown out in 2012, these terrorists will allready have had the last 4 years to set up their evil deeds, and kaboom, something will get blown up, and whichever Republican is in charge will get the finger pointed at him. Then will say how Bush was in office when 9-11 happened. Of course, it had nothing to do with terrorists freely roaming about for 8 years of Bill Clinton’s cut military and intelligence capers now , did it? Unbelievable. They are setting us up for an attack, and they know they are going to be out of office when it happens, but they know they have the ace in the hole, the liberal media to cover up for them while they point fingers at others. These guys are a castastrophy waiting to happen, and they will make it happen.

    • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

      Deja-Vu.

  • Ron

    Of all the countries we have become involved in I do think IRAN is a threat….they are trying bring about armagedden (SIC) to bring about Islam’s savior….but of all the countries ready to be democratic at least Iran’s people would probably support an open society. Iran will try to destroy Israel. Isreal knows this and will not wait till the first bombs are launched…so I am all for this war if they take any 51 year olds I would actually volunteer to help out. Sadam hussein had to go he was always gonna be involved in our destruction and israel’s. But his sons were evil from the pits of hell come to life…and if they had ever gotten in power all bets were off as to what they would have done. Our troops volunteered for their country…they have volunteered their blood. They have gone above and beyond…if we go to war with Iran I would be for a draft to give our stretched volunteers a break. I also believe if drafted and you really can’t go to war for personal religious whatever reasons then you should still serve stateside but those who go to combat should be rewarded dearly. I firmly believe what Benjamin Franklin said that if you sacrifice liberties for security then you neither deserve liberty or security. If we do not defend overseas it will not be long in this electronic age for our enemies to be at our door. Obviously they already have been. I also don’t buy in to Islam being a peaceful religion..it is NOT if it’s peaceful then the followers are like some of our christians picking and choosing parts to fit their lifestyle…if the Koran is followed..then it is EVIL..all evil needs to prevail is for good people to do nothing. Freedom costs it is not free…and sitting on your duffs hopeing things would just go away won’t ever be effective. Until other countries incur their own 911′s we are pretty much it..I think that stinks but it’s fact.

  • BonnieMW

    America needs to stop being co-dependent to the rest of the dysfunctional world. It is dragging us down, just like it does any person who is co-dependent. We need to come home and repair our selves and become healthy from with-in. American’s can withstand anything except what we are experiencing at this present time the destruction of our nation from with-in. We need new leaders. leaders that represent the American people and not their own interests. Leaders that want to preserve our Constitution, preserve our free enterprise system and our freedoms. Leaders that want to end the pay-offs, the bail-outs, the corruption. We are turning into a nation that our forefathers and fathers and brothers and now sons fought against. They gave or risked their lives so we would never become what we have become. Vote this election and make sure it is not one of the ones who have sold us out.

    • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

      Voting in November will solve nothing.

      Congress came under Liberal control for the last two years of the Bush administration. Does anyone remember that for the first 100 hours Democrats excluded Republicans. They did the 100 hour exclusion a second time when Obama took over.

      Democrats lose in November – they will make those previous two 100 hour exclusions look like garage sales.

      Between November and December they will push through so many new laws without Republican support… come January we will wake-up to martial law under an Obama dictatorship.

  • BonnieMW

    I would vote for Ron Paul if he runs again.

    • JC

      And I would buy you a cocktail just for saying that. :)

    • 45caliber

      As someone living in Ron Paul’s district – he is a wonderful Congressman but he’d make a lousy President. Some of his ideas are okay, such as a closed border but most of them are outside of what I think America should be. As long as he keeps running for Congress I’ll vote for him.

    • dan az

      So would I and I think he will run if push comes to shove

  • bobbie

    Of course they dont care if we go into war again or not. (or is it still?) they arent the ones who have to fight it. Im just surprised that they dont say “we have to get all able bodied women to join up and fight.” you know,the whole thing is sickening. It just goes on and on and our soldiers come back with physical and mental problems, if they come back at all. Arent we tired of our loved ones leaving and wondering if they are coming back to us? we wont have anyone to protect our country when they do start their invasion.

    • 45caliber

      That is the whole idea. If our military is tied up elsewhere they won’t interfere if someone does try to take over. (Now I wonder who that might be …?)

      • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

        Obama wants his own [ shades of SS ] personal 400,000 man army, equally trained, equally equipped as our regular military forces.

        Obama is maintaining constant rotation of troops in large numbers overseas.

        Liberal political operatives are in control of our military, intelligence community, national, state, and county police.

        When you add those three facts you will realize the American people are frogs in a pot of water – slowing heating-up, slowly coming to a boil. America is already dead – we just haven’t realized it yet.

        Liberal operatives, and liberal politicians control everything that happens. Liberal controlled classification authority invents reasons for “Classified in the interests of national security” to cover-up their crimes committed against the American people.

        This became crystal clear when liberal operatives swarmed out from under their sewer grates in 1981 to protect liberal careers, cover-up murder of seven Rangers in a Russian mole operation.

        I am speaking as an authority on these matters.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Ah, a man after my own heart. But, they just won’t listen, will they?

        • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

          To Jerry D: Hang in there. My web sites really [ x@# oops ] had to clean that up – but you get the idea. Dan

          • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

            yes, I noticed that when I tried to go to it. When will it be back up?

  • Thomas P. Young

    1)I would pull out of the U.N. using this money to help pay of the national dept.2) I would tell our NATO allies do it our way or we would stop funding them using that money to help pay off the national dept. 3) I would have a round table meeting all allies telling them ore they would be cut off from any aide. 4) I would tell a waring people that if any allied or Americans were heart or killed they would have to pay the price. As long as no Allied or American people were hart or killed we would let them kill one another and then pick up the peaces. 5) States should be given a some time with in reason to start cleaning up crime if they did not bring in the troops. Crime castes states billions. 6) Billed up the armed forces by at least 25% to show waring people we mean what we say. President ROOSEVELT said something like this walk soft and have a BIG STICK. President REGION took those words to hart when he billet up the armed forces. 7) The postal service should stop delivering Saturday delivery and close the post offices to save money and not charge more for postage. 8) The supreme court , America is one Nation under GOD so they should leave GOD alone we need GOD more than GOD needs us.
    Why am i writing this? I,my brother John were in service for this country,after over 50 years I am seeing nut doctors. My son Matt is on active duty in the Navy. He was in Gulf waters. I rote most of this on 8/12/2003 under the heading if I were president. I hope you like it. Reply if you must. Be nice. Thank you.

    • 45caliber

      I will try to give you an idea of your ideas.

      1) the ONLY reason I think we should stay in the UN is due to information gathering. It’s a nice gig for a spy. I do believe that the UN headquarters should be moved to some island somewhere instead of being here, though.

      2)I think the NATO is basically useless. Since USSR disbanded and Russia is so bad off under criminal elements, I’d just leave.

      3)We need to cut all aid to any other countries except for emergencies anyway. Why do we need to pay every country in the world something?

      4)If countries went to war, I’d first ask that all Americans be allowed to leave. If that happened then any Americans staying were on their own. If they were not allowed to leave, then I’d issue the order to leave them alone or else. No hostages. And if they kill each other, who cares?

      5)Troops are unable to find criminals because they aren’t trained to find them. So bringing in troops only institutes a police state which deprives everyone of freedom instead of solving crime problems. I would, however, insist that a good percentage of their taxes be used to hire and train police.

      6)I definately believe in building up our military. But I suspect it is as weak as it is because our politicians fear them.

      7)I think we need a good audit of the Postal Service (and the rest of the government for that matter) and discharge everyone who isn’t needed. (About 60% of them from what I understand.) Like most agencies, they hire to give themselves raises instead of because they need the people.

      Hope that makes you feel that you aren’t alone in the world.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        45, you are a voice of reason. Keep it up.

      • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

        To 45caliber: Dan Collins retired US Army SFC [ MI/MP ]. You said: 6)I definately believe in building up our military. But I suspect it is as weak as it is because our politicians fear them.

        Our military is weak because since 1944 there has been a Russian presence ( moles ) supported by Democrat/Liberal/Socialist conducting operations against loyal, patriotic members of our military.

        The Russian/Liberal cooperation [ the enemy "Republicans" of my enemy is my friend ] is treason – and arrogantly ignored, because politicians from Democrat/Republican parties continue to look “the other way” as politically expedient.

        Beware the Democrat or Republican politician who goes political on a critical issue of national security with the “avoidance” answer to a question on FOX News – “My good friend on the other side of the isle.”

        Urgent: Fire both of those politicians.

  • Randy

    I don’t know how I got connected to this site, but some of the comments would be laughable if they weren’t so disgusting, from calling Obama the worst president ever to blaming him for so many bases around the world. Obama was handed a disastrous economy and foreign policy nightmare that no one short of FDR or Jefferson could repair in a few years. What makes me particularly sick is the notion that Junior Bush is anything other than one of the three worst presidents in American history. The one thing Obama is still doing and something I should have recognized when I voted for him but didn’t pay attention to is his attitude on illegal aliens. I always thought that representatives and even presidents were supposed to listen to the people and vote for what the majority believes. Over 70% of Americans want illegal aliens out of our country, period. The fact that illegals anchor babies are born U.S. citizens is not what the 14th Amendment was passed for. Illegals are far more dangerous to America’s national security and health than a few thousand Muslims in a country 10,000 miles away. The vast majority of illegal aliens are from Mexico, a country where anything can be had for a price, hence their complete disregard for American laws from the moment they burglarize our country by breaking into it to their open contempt for our institutions, laws and generosity. To them breaking the laws of a country they hate means nothing, and to take advantage of every illegal and immoral opportunity or loophole available to them means even less. In fact, their own government, Mexico, provides them with paperwork and even dvd’s showing them how to evade the U.S. Border Patrol, get free healthcare, how to enroll their children into American schools, how to evade INS and ICE, and provides their citizens with paperwork from their embassies to help them get drivers licenses and other privileges not allowed anyone illegally in America. They’re taught how to send money from the U.S. to their relatives in Mexico, so that not only are they destroying the wage scale here in construction and other work, they send between 30-75 billion dollars per year to Mexico. That’s money not spent here but in Mexico. Most people in states with little or no illegal aliens are blissfully unaware of the drag illegals pose in health care, their gangs, drug running and sales, I.D. thefts, using fake drivers licenses, stolen or made up SSI#’s, and other fraudulent crimes. If President Obama doesn’t change his stance on illegal aliens, anchor babies and uprooting each and every illegal I’ll either not vote, or God forbid, vote Republican! I have been personally affected in ways by illegals than most people could even fabricate. We should get out of South Korea, Japan, Germany, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere else, put our troops at the U.S.-Mexico border and shoot every illegal trying to come here. The next war we should have is against Mexico if their government and people don’t stop violating our national borders and integrity. In fact, we’re already in a war, a war that Mexico has long craftily waged, now fighting us in open hostility and we haven’t even taken aim. Mark my words, unless there is a 180 shift in words and deeds from the Mexican government, war against Mexico is not only inevitable but necessary.

    • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

      US and Mexico: Obama is using the American people and Mexican illegals as pawns under a smoke screen to mask a much darker [ Muslim ] agenda.

      History: 1824 Mexico invited Americans to settle what is now Texas. In 1836 Mexican dictator Santa Anna increased taxes, sent soldiers to murder settlers.

      After 460 Texans surrendered at Goliad they were executed.

      Santa Anna had spies in San Antonio with orders to infiltrate the Alamo as refugees.

      March 5, 1836 Santa Anna “allowed” some refugees to leave the Alamo. Among those refugees were his spies.

      March 6, 1836 Santa Anna’s force of 3,500 easily overran the small Alamo garrison, killing all 157 defenders.

      A few weeks later Santa Anna’s army was defeated by a much smaller Texan force in an eighteen minute battle. Santa Anna was captured, and in exchange for his life signed-away all Mexican rights to Texas.

      1837-1845 Mexico remained in conflict along the borders. Texas became a state in 1845, and armed border clashes continued.

      1847-1848 The United States declared war on Mexico.

      1857 Santa Anna “sold” Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and California to the United States.

      During WWI the Germans promised return of all of those lands, including Texas if Mexico waged war on the United States.

      During WWII Germany again advanced their offer to Mexico.

      During the Cold War [ never ended ] the Russians were a heavy presence in Mexico City.

      Present time: Obama [ Muslim/Socialist ] and the Liberals continue to conspire with Mexico. The American people have been at war with Mexico since 1836.

      • JC

        Excellent timeline, thank you.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Hey, folks, Randy is drinking the Obama koolaide!

  • 45caliber

    Actually I’ll be very surprised if we ever go to war with Iran. About a quarter of our oil comes from there and they would be certain to cut it off if we tried to go to war. Our government wouldn’t allow us to offend them.

    • JC

      We’d have to start drilling in the Baken Field. Montana, N. Dakota.
      And expand operations in Alaska. We can look after ourselves.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Are you referring to the vast shale oil reserves we have? We really don’t need foreign oil, but the leftwing nut jobs keep our own oil tied down so we won’t displace a minnow or step on a field mouse.

  • djust

    Obama and his enablers would love to have the conversation changed away from his communist-socialist agenda so his unconstitutional bills and exec. orders would slip through. That’s what really scares me. He will do ANYTHING including a world war to bring this country to its knees.

    • Darwin

      woo woo woo aliens

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Which kind you referring to: legal or illegal?

  • atlas reborn

    Another thing for all you people to think about is if we do not reclaim our country and its sovreignity by expelling the illegals and returning to constitutional rule we will turn into a 5th world power and a dependent country to either russia or china (most likely china). when you are disunited and unrully and in depression you will be overtaken and squashed. that is the fact of history.

    • JC

      I’m with you on that.

    • viktor leben

      I’m not really concerned with what happens to the USA. I’m just concerned with what will happen to myself. I could always move to another country and start over again. What’s so great about 21st century USA ?

      The majority of people here just want more socialism. The Republicans are playing with the conservative minority vote again.

      “You people” have to just “let go”. The apostates have won, now you have to “Shrug” and stop enabling them….

      • Norm

        viktor leben
        Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

  • OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE

    It is time to read and re-read history as found in the Old Testament of the King James Bible. Wars have been going on for thousands of years in just about every generation. There have been good leaders (Kings & Prophets) and there have been bad ones.

    We have been allowed to succeed and fail in all of our wars with humantiy depending upon the righteousness of the leaders and in some few cases upon the righteousness of the people in spite of the leaders.

    It is prophesied that Israel shall never be wiped off of the face of the earth or close to that effect. I believe that Israel is a basically a good nation, and that somehow, someway, Israel will prevail if they are attacked. It may depend upon their depending more on prayer than on their might or both, but they will prevail.

    Likewise, we in this nation shall prevail. God did not create all of these outstanding founding fathers such as Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Washington and many more to exist all at the same time, in the same country for the same cause to such an extent that they sacrificed their lives, their fortunes and more for the cause of liberty and freedom and the perfecting of a constitution, just to see some would-be socialist dictator by the name of Obama take these freedoms away from us.

    Yes, we have to yell like hell, but peacefully. We need to let this evil little man know that we love freedom more than he loves being a dictator, and we need to pray in our homes, in our churches, and show God that we do have the faith that He will answer our prayers.

    It will happen for Israeil as well as for the United States of America a Free Nation Under God, if… we do it right.

    Right now, the only man who seems to be making any sense in recommending the right course of action is Glenn Beck. He doesn’t always get it right, but I trust him more than any other would be leaders that have stepped up to the plate. Mr. Beck is not looking to be our leader. He is looking to help us know what is right.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Well said. However, it just may be that we’re in the End Times. If so, it’s not going to get better, it’s going to get worse.

  • sgtgshel

    America has not won a war since World War II! With the wars that our country has been involved in, from Korea to now, our country did not know the type of enemy we were facing. We have fought against countries where human life is given no regard, where our enemies had the support of other ‘silent countries’ (China, Russia etc) an still do. And worst of all, we have a president that bows down to them!
    This may lead to WWIII—-but—it may very well happen on American soil! It’s time to bring our troops home! Home, where America will really need them in the months ahead. It’s time we thought about defending America—on our ground! GBA (God Bless America–I think I can still say that)

  • RABBI MAC

    CAN I SUGGEST YOU GET A “COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE” BY DAVID STERN FROM YOUR LOCAL BOOK STORE OR ONLINE. I HAVE FOUND IT TO BE MUCH BETTER AT UNDERSTANDING THE TEACHINGS OF MOSES AND OF JESUS (YASHUA). REMEMBER THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN TO AND BY JEWS AND FOR JEWS AS WELL AS THE GOYEM (NATIONS). I AM A MESSIANIC RABBI AND A RETIRED BAPTIST PASTOR OF 35 YEARS SO I BELIEVE I CAN SAY THAT THE KING JAMES TRANSLATION IS NOT THE BEST FOR UNDERSTANDING THE TRUTH OF GOD AND HIS COMMANDS FOR US TO FOLLOW. AND OH YES, I TOO LIKE GLEN BECK AS HE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS BETTER THAN MOST OF THE “NEWS” COMMENTATORS.

    • Bob Wire

      Sorry, I can’t hear you ~ can you speak louder?

      That what? ~ The Jews have got the “inside skinny” on the Lords intentions?

      Hmm? ~ I’d think it would have served them better if that be true.

      The chosen ones, ~ makes one wonder, what other chooses were there?

      When you are the one writing the book, being the “hero” of the story comes easy.

      let’s face it ~ Abraham had women problems and quit glossing over it with sanctimonious BS.

  • http://gmail i41

    Well if the drum beats from the democrats are sounding it will be fought by this break down, whites the overwhelm majority, next the Indians, Latinos, followed by the blacks. It takes people who follow orders, can handle highly teckno equipment, and speak and understand English. If you want an affermative action desk jockey like Colin Powell who advised to quit, it caused us to go back and return to the fight. I wonder if Onumnutts will really have some serious tea time with the terrorist muslims or just bow and let his nappy head roll on? This clown and his idoit crew don’t know what to do but theorize a problem till it is too late.

  • bobinpa.

    “All MUSLIMS are not TERRORISTS, –BUT–, All TERRORISTS sre MUSLIMS”

    • Darwin

      Stupidity is forever

      Ignorance can be cured.

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Well, not quite, but about 85-90 percent of them are.

  • Ron Towle

    Should we fight the politition’s wars and starve our senior citizens? We are sick,really sick

    • Claire

      Ron Towle–There are some people out there in this world that could care less about senior citizens. They seem to forget that they will be old one day too if they live long enough.

    • William

      Sick or not it will come.

    • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

      Obama’s Czars are so arrogant they go onto college campuses and boldly declare more than 40,000,000 Americans will die [ in the purge after we go to a dictatorship ].

      They go onto college campuses and announce anyone over 40 will pay into “Obamacare” however they will not receive medical treatment… thinking… give me a moment… right – it just occured to me I am over 40 – pushing 64 actually.

      Oh well not a problem… the VA has been screwing seniors for years.

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Some of those 40 million just might be some of the idiot socialists trying to make the purge, if what you say is true.

        • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

          History shows that when Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Castro [among others]came to power they purged [killed] thousands of treasonous operatives who aided their rise to power.

          The Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Castro philosophy has been exercised in every dictatorship throughout history.

          “Commit treason once – commit treason twice” so they kill their enemies [ie. American patriots] kill their supporters, and keep key supporters on a short leash.

          Opinion/Prediction: Obama seeks a Socialist/Muslim Sharia one world government. He will undoubtedly become the dictator of policy in the “former” United States, and he will conduct purges.

          So then Obama expresses his immediate “concerns” about 11,000,000 hapless illegal Mexicans. Ask yourself where do 11,000,000 mostly Catholic Mexicans fit into Obama’s Sharia Muslim plan?

          The border issues remain a “distraction” and a “smoke screen” for a darker political agenda.

  • Willie Peet

    God Bless the Mexicans for coming to America to feed and build us.

    While the conservatives type on their keyboards hate messages.

    • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

      Willie Peet: This ain’t no high school football team lifetime loyalty we are talking about. The attitude of “I’m a Democrat no matter what” is not a good sense of reality.

      I previously replied to another writer what I am about to pass to you.

      Bear in mind that the Mexican government publishes a pamphlet with instructions on how to infiltrate through America’s borders, who to contact for ID cards, social security, medicare, employment, and so on.

      Bear in mind that for every 1,000 illegal Mexican immigrants one may be a terrorist. With 11,000,000 illegal Mexicans that places approximately 11,000 terrorist inside the Continental United States.

      History Lesson:

      US and Mexico: Obama is using the American people and Mexican illegals as pawns under a smoke screen to mask a much darker [Muslim] agenda.

      History: 1824 Mexico invited Americans to settle what is now Texas. In 1836 Mexican dictator Santa Anna increased taxes, sent soldiers to murder settlers.

      After 460 Texans surrendered at Goliad they were executed.

      Santa Anna had spies in San Antonio with orders to infiltrate the Alamo as refugees.

      March 5, 1836 Santa Anna “allowed” some refugees to leave the Alamo. Among those refugees were his spies.

      March 6, 1836 Santa Anna’s force of 3,500 easily overran the small Alamo garrison, killing all 157 defenders.

      A few weeks later Santa Anna’s army was defeated by a much smaller Texan force in an eighteen minute battle. Santa Anna was captured, and in exchange for his life signed-away all Mexican rights to Texas.

      1837-1845 Mexico remained in conflict along the borders. Texas became a state in 1845, and armed border clashes continued.

      1847-1848 The United States declared war on Mexico.

      1857 Santa Anna “sold” Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and California to the United States.

      During WWI the Germans promised return of all of those lands, including Texas if Mexico waged war on the United States.

      During WWII Germany again advanced their offer to Mexico.

      During the Cold War [never ended] the Russians were a heavy presence in Mexico City.

      Present time: Obama [Muslim/Socialist] and the Liberals continue to conspire with Mexico. The American people have been at war with Mexico since 1836.

      • Bob Wire

        You are so full of it! I bet your eyes are brown.

        • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

          Bob Wire: Before everything becomes totally politically correct read Texas/US/Mexico history.

          Obama refuses to secure our borders, even with the probability that 11,000 terrorist have already crossed the Mexican border.

          Perhaps Obama should move the entire United States Government to the border of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Mexico.

          Obama could establish a route through the middle of the oval office for illegal’s to enter the United States. The office could have three exit doors, one for illegal Mexicans, one for the drug cartels, and one for his “Muslim terrorist brethren.”

          Candidate Obama said, “It’s my intention to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

          Reports say Obama admitted he’s a Muslim
          http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1053338

          Two major Middle East media outlets – Nile TV International and Israel Today Magazine http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=2041 — are reporting that the president has admitted in recent months that he is a Muslim.

          Those outlets say Obama, in a one-on-one meeting with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Gheit, told Gheit that he was still a Muslim, and he was sympathetic towards the Muslim agenda.

          Half-White — All Radical Muslim Presidential Candidate Obama said in interviews & his books…

          “It’s my intention to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren.”

          “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

          [ "Obama mis-spoke." aka. Freudian slip ] “I am proud of my Muslim, er, uh, my Christian faith.”

          “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides.”

          ‘There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression.”

          “If we as a nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails, perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments.”

          “We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice.”

          The frog [ American citizens ] are complacently sitting in a kettle of water. [Liberal/Socialist/Muslim] operatives and politicians are slowly heating-up the water, and “Froggie” doesn’t realize anything is wrong with his philosophy until the water is boiling.

          Deja Vu.

          • Bob Wire

            I think you need to set your books down and go spend so time on the border.

            This President has been in office 16 months and this activity has been taking place a good hundred years.

            I’ve lived on both sides, ~ from El Paso to Eagle Pass to Matamoris/ Brownsville.

            I know the people and the problems both sides confront. ~ The problems are huge! the people small but their numbers large.

            You are attempting to make “Politic Hay” of a bad situation at someone else expense.

            That all you are doing ~ we all have access to history books!

            Just quit tiring to lay some Blame somewhere!

            That’s all many of you want to do! the blame game is a lame game mister ~ There is enough blame to go around for everybody.

          • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

            Re: Bob Wire [below] Any particular reason your comment below is missing the “Reply” button?

            There are two military whistle blower web sites – CAMI [Citizen's Against Military Injustice" and "Military Corruption" - both are Department of Defense [Liberal operatives in uniform] operations.

            Rather than “support” a soldier’s or veteran’s issue the moderators attempt to “shout” you down, attempt to “discredit” the source.

            Bob Wire – You have a tendency to remind me of those other folks.

            I have no political agenda other than my own personal reasons for identifying Liberal treason [1981-2010].

            Liberal’s might consider you to be an “expendable” asset [been there].

            Dan – SFC MI/MP (retired)

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      Hey, I’ve been eating TexMex for years now. No one says their food isn’t good. But, legals can cook just as good as illegals. Furthermore, I’ve never had them build anything for me. But, if it’s like the painting they do, I don’t want them to build anything for me.

    • viktor leben

      The discrimination has to stop ! President Calderon should allow us gringos to settle in his country ! With all the freebies the illegals get here in the USA !!!

      Spanish speaking countries are selfish and bigotted. They refuse to reciprocate to the Yankee/Johnny Reb “Gringo”. I would like to live in warm, beautiful Mexico. I can’t because those bogotted Mexicans won’t give me free healthcare, welfare and financial assistance ! Aren’t they required to do this because of NAFTA ?

      • Bob Wire

        I’m with you on that. I’ve brother in Brownsville ~(sea captain) ~We sure enjoyed Mexico and all she offered us for several years. ~ We were most willing to pay for our fun. ~ Invested both time and money there, building relationships with “families”. It’s a nice life to be considered a Patron.

        Today, we won’t even drive across anymore, left to walk across the bridge and met our friends at Garcia’s, an upscale “eatery and shop” just two blocks from the bridge. The concerns of being mugged or kidnapped is just too high anymore.

        We met and visit, buy a machete and walk back across with the handle sticking out for all to see that we’ve been “shopping” and not completely defenseless.

        The machetes are piling up! Anyone in the market for a machete?

        I’m glad I didn’t buy that Villa on the road out of town and 10 minutes from Bagdad LaPlaya surf side a few years back. I dreamed about it a lot, it’d be a nightmare now.

        This unrest in Mexico is not improving at all and will just get worst with time.

        I wish America would have diverted some of it money, attention and concerns for the welfare of Iraqi’s and Afghan’s toward it’s closest neighbor, Mexico.

        Things can’t continue at the present rate without some kind of major incident. It’s coming, BOOM BOOM BOOM

  • T.H. Asgardson

    Great article. I am sure the great Patrick J. Buchanan would agree with this author’s assessment.

  • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

    Folks, this has been fun, but I really do have a life. God bless all of you, even you leftwing nut jobs. Good night.

  • Bob Wire

    All drunks are not painters but all painter are drunks!

    sadly ~it’s true, not an embellishment,but fact. I know many, 2nd and 3rd generation painters. Is it the “paint” or the Gene? My guess, it’s the paint, what they have had prolong “exposed to”. What’s entered their bodies and short circuited their brains. Much like religion, it’s paint too! Screws up the brain if exposed long enough to heavy doses. ~The prolong exposure creates sub-species, sub humans, different from the rest. Better then the rest! Enlighten!

    Humm? Rabbi Mac and Glenn Beck are telling it like it is. ?? Glenn is a produce of his raising and has got a undisciplined, hyperactive mind, it goes “everywhere!” and he tells all! He has little control over his mind, the results of a twisted life, a mother and a step mother both committing suicide is bound to make a “lasting impression” on anyone.

    so how is “it”? according to Glenn? ~ Is the boggie man is coming?

    And the Jew bible and the Jew story is the best understanding of Gods will? ~ Well? hmm? ~ I’d say, the person writing down the story clearly has an advantage, don’t you think?

    If you can’t win while you are dealing ~you need to go back to herding goats!

    The “chosen ones” always made me chock as well! I suppose if I was writing the story down, I’d be a one of the “chosen ones” too!

    I for one, ~ don’t give a hoot about your Jew bible ~ and think you wise to enjoy your freedom to worship with “like minds” and spare the rest of us the BS.

    I’ll keep the gospels, Matthew, Mark ,Luke and John, I find them hand, useful, teachings that really “work” and you keep the balance and be a self righteous biblical a$$hole.

    There’s a lot to be said for “planned parenthood”

    It’s all a “JEW” or an Arab story Mister, some is just diluted more then others for mass consumption. So don’t talk down to us with the “perfect” Jew story. ~ You two brothers can’t live in peace ~ why should we listen to you, son’s of Abraham? You can’t live and practice the teaching, there is no peace for you! Many of us want no part of you and we look at you as spoiled children. ~ ~try to get over it!

    But I know ~ that’s impossible for you to do.

    If the American Indian had written text that endured time~ I’d think it would have been a greater and more profound, truer read of matters of spirit.

    Many get lost in the passage of time, cultures, human development and discoveries.

    If this God, you are telling us about is as you say ~ he’s God to all of us or God to none.

    So which is it? You know, more people have been slaughtered over religion then money? So are you sure you want to stir this pot?

    Just understand American’s are willing to die defending your rights of free expression and to worship as you choose. ~ But we not going set still and let someone cram their brand of religion down our throats.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      All conflicts are about controlling wealth/natural resources. Very few if any wars are truly about religion. What is it exactly that you don’t like about the Jewish People? Are you anti-semitic?

      • Bob Wire

        no, not at all ~ I prefer them over their half brother.

        But I take exception to anyone that offer us they have an “inside track” to “God matters” and if we really want a “TRUE UNDERSTANDING” we need to read “Jewish Text” in their original form.

        If memory serves, it was Jewish Clergy and the Representative government of Rome that condemned the Christ envoy. So I’m not to preachy keen on hearing such talk of God Matters from the Jewish community even today.

        These notions of eternal guilt,sin and martyrdom wears me thin ~ I’ve no patience for it.

  • http://none Raleigh

    Our fallen leaders are heading for spiritual death (their souls cancelled out) so they want revenge on the living.

  • RON HERT

    We don’t need for Obama to have an excuse to create a situation for Martial Law and to influence the elections coming in November. The naive RINOs had better be a little more suspecting of Obama and not jump in so fast to go along on Iran. Obama has many connections to Islam, so it is good to be very weary of any activity involving a Muslim country. I hope that we don’t get side-tracked into thinking that we can handle anything, and then get into something that may drag us into something that we really aren’t prepared for.

    • Norm

      RON HERT
      Martial law? Your going to have a red face when nonsensical “facts??” turn up false.

  • Bob Wire

    >> But the military-industrial complex might not be as happy about that. Stopping Mexican paramilitary units and drug cartel thugs isn’t as lucrative as dropping bunker busters on Iran and North Korea… and maybe China.<<

    ~ Hell no ,that's were some of their support businesses is out-sourced from. ~ Cheap labor ~ that be like shooting yourself in the foot!

    Well let's us hope the next war ~ has prettier women and better whiskey.

    Talk about some hard times and bad duty! No booze, no women? Don't sound very American to me!

    I thought I was being all but cut off in Nam. ~ Tiny little girls ~ and Tiger beer! Ugh! stuff was awful!

    If we are going to start another war ~ we really need to think this though.

  • viktor leben

    I don’t know if it’s worth commenting ! Since 9/11, when the twin towers were destroyed, the capitol of the world is switching from NYC to a future, soon to be rebuilt, Babylon.

    Babylon will re-emerge as the next capitol of the world. The center of the word commerce will be in Iraq, in Babylon. A super city will be built, one big metropolis, bigger than Manhattan Island….

    The reduction of Islam will continue in this region of the world. A new occult “world Religion” will emerge replacing Islam’s dominance. Just as the New Age religion has replaced Christendom in the USA.

    So just keep singing “We are the World” all you world government enablers — I won’t see you in Hell, I had my reservation cancelled…. Clarence Larkin was right on this one ….

    • Norm

      viktor leben
      Get real. Fantasy Island was only a TV show, not a place to make your home. Lay off the hallucinogens.

      • viktor leben

        Norm,

        The Plane ! The Plane !!!! Just jokeing.

  • Roth

    War is always planned very carefully by the International Bankers to reduce popullations and make money. Their purpose is to take over the power of each nations completely. One world government.

  • Vippy

    People keep saying we are fighting for our freedom! What freedom. The USA is just about in the last place of so called “freedom.” Just because we get up for the flag and pledge allegiance does not mean we are free. Think about our telephones, internet, everything is being watched, you get screened at airports, etc. we are not “free.” Enough with this empty slogan, learn from the Germans, they did all that back in the 1930s. We have slipped into a third world status, if you don’t think so, open your eyes. If it was not for the wars, we would be totally broke, at least someone is making money though we don’t want to admit this, we call it spreading democracy when we don’t have a democracy here at home but corporatcracy!

    • viktor leben

      Vippy,

      You got to grow where you are planted !! Here is where you are ….

    • Bob Wire

      So did you think Janice was jiving us when she made the observation that true “Freedom” meant ~ “having nothing LIFT to lose”? Or are you too young to remember my dearly departed friend? She was a free as they come and still only now is she free.

      You don’t want to be totally free !

      Freedom comes and goes in degrees and is the rewards of responsible behavior. ~ in theory!

      In practice Republicans want to dispense responsibility to others while they maintaining sole heirs of authority. Finding themselves above being responsible and held in account.

      Democrats are willing to take the responsibility without the authority and when things goes bad, Claim, “Well everybody else was doing it too!”

      These three things are the “parts” that make up Freedom,

      Authority,Responsibility and Desire.

      The question before you is , “Just how free do you want to be?”

      • Bob Wire

        I kept looking at that and knew something wasn’t right!

        That was “Nothing Left to lose” darn dyslexic acting up again ~

  • Tazio2013

    Doesn’t matter what it called whether its executed by Joseph Stalin, Wesley Mooch, Phillip Drew, Woodrow Wilson, Adolph Hitler, Bennidito Mussolini, Mao, Greenspan, Vladimir Lenin, John Maynard Keynes, Mayer Amschel Rothschild [BAUER], Lucifer, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, Satan, Barack Hussein Obama, Benjamin Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Jacob Schiff, Edmund Mandel House, Esau, Pharaoh, Marie Antoinette, Nimrod, Paul Volker, Sir Francis Bacon, Pluto, Aristotle, Henry Kissinger, Pythagoras, Castro, Cain, Chavez, or Caesar.

    They all demand the same payment and exact the same consequence. To deny man’s birthright of freewill in exchange for a bowl of porridge. To trade freedom for force. Independence for dependence. Truth for delusion. To trade courage for cowardice. To trade compassion for malice. To trade eternal life for certain eternal death. Call it whatever you will. It’s all from the same iniquitous seed borne in the same garden.

    • viktor leben

      It’s a council of Fallen Angels !! They are CorporeaL ! They are running the show !!! The gods !!! They want us to go to war !!! The gods are crazy !!!!

  • Sid

    God is the one who started the war in the middle east, and it will be only God to stop it. Why every year we get the same promises over and over that in no way can come true because ( especially nowadays) GREED is leading the full charge!!The three biggest lines of crap we”re given every election year are : no new taxes, Bipart., and peace in the middle east.?? What a load! We The People really don’t know what go’es on behind closed doors; We don’t know the back door deals and the shadowy sneekns going on.. but as Americans we’re the ones paying for it emotionally, phycologicly, physically, financally.

  • Da Coo

    I always thought that Republicans and Conservatives never saw a war they didn’t like.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      no, it’s just they’re the ones who fight the wars.

  • Bob Wire

    gods ~ republicans ~ same , same

    • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

      Bob Wire: Democrats got us into WWI and WWII followed by Korean War, and Vietnam. In 1967 prior to going to Vietnam I was briefed by a CIA officer on the how and why [later known as the "Pentagon Papers"].

      Vietnam was planned in 1944. After WWII the Democrat administration setup Republican President Eisenhower, with no option but to setup the French to fail, so the United States under Democrat leadership [Kennedy] would “have” to “rescue” South Vietnam.

      Kennedy, just as in the “Bay of Pigs” got cold feet, and backed out of Vietnam planning to “withdraw” 1,200 advisors.

      Two days after Kennedy was murdered [not a loss] Johnson sent an additional 1,500 advisors to Vietnam.

      Johnson was a major stock holder in “Bell Helicopter” and made a fortune on 5,000 [+] Bell helicopters destroyed in Vietnam.

      Johnson and his Liberal Congress/Senate turned Vietnam into a quagmire, sluffing-off 58,000 killed, and raking-off tremendous profits, while at the same time sabotaging any chance of a “clear” military victory, and blaming it on Richard Nixon.

      The Democrat party aka. Socialist/Traitors, have turned the war against terrorist into a “quagmire” killing our soldiers with excessive “rules of engagement” that gives the tactical advantage to terrorists [ aka. treason ].

      Politically Correct: We are engaged in two wars.

      Political Truth: WWII was fought on a “dozen” different fronts – yet was “one” war, not a “dozen” wars.

      Political Truth: The War on Terrorism is fought on “many” fronts, but it is “one” war.

      As “usual” the Democrat/Liberal/Socialist/Progressive politicians are sabotaging [aka. treason] the war effort, and many American soldiers are being killed.

      Bob Wire, you still come off as a Liberal/Socialist/Progressive agent provocateur. Give it up.

      You are not capable of honoring the 1960′s Military “Code of Conduct.”

      Dan Collins SFC MI/MP (retired).

  • Bob Wire

    I beg to differ, you are failing to take in account the transition of the GOP that started in 1981. As the GOP has see fit to pander to the military complex, mining mineral extraction interest while ignoring American backyard issues preferring to affect and develop global ambitions instead. ~

    Short the threat of the great northern bear, a new “threat” had to be created to justify military expansion. The office of president has surcome to the will of military complex in-spite of President Eisenhower’s stern warning.

    The military complex must eat ! It’s more of a matter of who is sympathetic and who’s willing to be a team player, Today it is the GOP.

    Tomorrow, it might well be someone else.

    These most recent “wars” are a ruse and serve few Americans.

    This process is powered by political pressure and nature selection at work ~ it can make us strong but offered no resistance could well be our demise and the very foundation and unpinning we stand on crumbed in under of feet.

    Rome fell and so shall we if we stay on the present course.

    I lived and thrived under the military code of conduct from 68 to 71 and have the mahogany and the DD214 to prove you wrong regarding your personal assessment of what I can or cannot do. I was willing!

    It’s not that hard to be good soldier, one only has to “accept” the position, your purpose, be loyal and committed and that has little to do with being a statesman, it’s personal. If you ever question your purpose as a soldier there is plenty of support in the rank and file to get your head right and guide your feet.

    The American soldier and the Will of the American people have been used by Global interest while any benefit to the American people has been small compared to the great cost they bear.

    I’m not a soldier anymore ~but a free agent, not restricted in my thinking process, no vested financial interest and my views are different from a military view you seem to still embrace. This is most understandable.

    We can disagree

    We all thank you for your loyal service and commitment to country.

    Darwan Winkler US Army 25th Infantry ( done )

    • http://www.dancollins888.info,andhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

      Darwan Winkler US Army 25th Infantry: Thanks for your reply. I enlisted in Army Security Agency for untimate assignment to live as a Military Intelligence mole in Russia.

      Security sucked. I refused the assignment. KGB arrested all of the Army moles, because Russian moles were processing security clearances and assignments for Military Intelligence.

      I worked in eight or so occupational specialties, in and out as an expendible asset.

      In Vietnam I was a medic flying with 3rd Platoon, 45th Med Company [Dustoff] 68-69.

      Long story – short. In 1981 seven Fort Lewis Rangers were murdered. I transferred from Military Police to replace a dead medic. An individual came to my office twice, once as an SFC, and then as a Major. The third time I saw him was aboard a C-130 on a night jump. He personally hooked-up my static line, and I took the “express” elevator down in a bad parachute. The long-version is in my web site.

      Eventually I was framed to ruin my reputation and credibility as a witness, to protect careers, and because I disturbed a Russian mole operation in the Ranger unit.

      For the past twenty-seven years I have had no closure on my forced retirement [in confinement] and have been a thorn in the side of as many corrupt politicians as possible.

      For the past thirteen years I have been denied my right to be represented by an attorney.

      My web site has been read in twenty-seven states, eleven foreign countries including Pakistan, and Russia [Moscow].

      Regards, Vet to Vet.

  • BrotherPatriot

    In my opinion…we have NO right to have our military out and abroad since we are learning how infected our Government is with the Bilderberg virus and their puppets (Obummer down to Isenhower, pretty much for example).

    The false flag twin tower incident is proof of this. These people MURDERED everyone in them and the first responders. They are barring the independent investigation that the 9/11 Architects & Engineers are petitioning for. The proof that they have accumilated is irrefutable and once revealed will show that the nest of vipers run deep and into virtually everything. All with connections towards the Bilderbergs, CFR, UN and their other connecting organisations. *cough Masons cough* We need to get to the bottom of the corruption and clean ourselves up instead of pushing their agenda for them…I’m so angry at America for letting these social degenerates use us to further their evil plans!

    Get rid of the Fricken Federal Reserve! <— Not Federal and not our Reserve! Who owns it? Where is OUR money going? Why no audits! Why do we allow it to keep us down!

    Get rid of the behind doors, policy making, career polititions! Set term limits on congress! Everything that applies to us applies to them also…no special retirement package…or health care plan! No pention until 20 years spent serving the people…etc, etc, etc…!

    Common sense people! Bring our troops home until we fix our own country! What right do we have? We don't…it's the Bilderberg Agenda being played out and we are the pawns! Obummer only had ONE parent who was American. This makes him unfit to be our President…that alone aside from all the other lies…no need to IMPEACH him as he never was a qualified candidate. Kick him out and then rip out everything that he has passed. COMMON SENSE!

  • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

    Liberals just don’t seem to understand that war is part of human nature. While we can debate to eternity which side was right or wrong, war has always existed and will always exist. Many wars involving the U.S. came during liberal administrations that obviously couldn’t negotiate the inevitable away. Every war the U.S. has been involved in was complicated or protracted by the actions of unrealistic liberals. Thus more people died than necessary. From the beginning of the Revolutionary War, liberals have never appreciated how their freedoms have been preserved. And, like war, that will never change.

  • FreedomFighter

    If we goto war with Iran.

    Nuke them to oblivion, dont waste our military men. Make them surrender unconditionally.

    Take over the country, remove the oil as payment and give the country to Iraq as a prize.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • http://www.dancollins888.infoandhttp://www.dancollins888.com Dan Collins

    No adverse comments on my last comment [odd].

    Courtesy Check: No hits on my websites for past three days. I have been shut-down in the past.

    Tacoma News Tribune has refused to publish my comments since 2006, and runs a “dual” screen. I see all “other” comments to articles, and only after entering my screename, and password do my comments appear.

    Twewnty-seven states and eleven foreign countries, including Pakistan, and Russia [Moscow] have visited my web sites.

    November elections coming – may be experiencing another election year shut-down.

    The following information may violate comment rules, but I need to know if my sites are being blocked.

  • http://toast.net Lous

    THERES BEEN SOME OF THE PROPHETS IN THIS NATION, STATING THAT THERE WILL BE ABOUT A FIVE DAY WAR DEALING WITH IRAN. BUT WHEN WILL IT TAKE PLACE IS YET TO BE DECIDE UNTILL THE CONDISIONS ARE RIGHT. WHEN THIS DOES TAKE PLACE, THERE WILL SOME OF THE SPIRITS IN THE HEAVENLYS THAT GOVERN THE NATION OF IRAN WILL BROUGHT DOWN. THIS BATTLE IS PHYISCAL AND SPIRITURAL AT THE SAME TIME.

  • http://www.oathkeepers.org Martin Fee

    Some people are praying for this war for the following reasons… This war with a little luck will be the beginning of the end for both Liberals and their lapdogs.
    Libs use law and order to further their agenda when the population opposes them (Gay marriage, immigration welfare, hate crime laws, as example) But where will they turn when there is no court system to turn to? No welfare office to get a check from or foodstamp office to get food paid for my me from?.
    What will they do when degenerates are stopped from spreading their disease to our children and there are no courts to force our children to be indoctrinated into the false ideology that homosexuality is the same as heterosexuality?
    What will happen when people are free to repel the enemy that is islam? When we are no longer forced into the idiotic belief that islam is the religion of peace? when in reality it is the religion of terror murder, subjugation, rape and child mollesting?
    In other words what will happen when people are not only free to know the truth but are able to exempt themselves from the liberal indoctrination of lies?
    Some people have seen this comming, some people have prepared themselves for this. Some people have food, fuel, and ammunition stockpiled and are awaiting the war with Iran or N Korea to kick off the rebellion here at home.
    Some people will be sitting back bbq-ing, watching the welfare state starve to death. Ahhhh… Good times are comming. A year or two of anarchy followed by many years of keeping what you have earned and no longer being a slave to the state or a subject of the court.
    As popular war advances…peace is closer

  • codger

    Yes this is an excellent idea we are already in two wars we cant afford the nation is about to go down the drain econmiclly we need another war. I really think we should win one before we start another. We wont win in Afganistan the Russians tried for masny years and got nowhere why does anyone believe we will be successful with a half hearted effort. WE trained the fathers and uncles of those fighting us now they were trained by yhe best our CIA. The Russians dumped everything they had on the Afganis and gave up. Name a gorilla war that we ever won? leaver the dam iranians alone let them build there little bombs lets get the other wars over with and then level on iran if they are still causing trouble.

  • http://google mike b.

    Hussein Obama is a muslim THUG!!!! He should have been impeached when he was a senator from the THUG political machine in Ill. Maybe Hussein Obama’s next great plan for america is to build a mosk for the bum-slims in the white house. Just to show the world we are tollerant and want to be attacked and destroyed and become a 4th world nation. This is Hussein Obama;s ultimate goal, like every other muslim terriosts Hussein Obama is intent on destroying america and christianity for good. I just pray God almighty that maybe Isreal can protect the US somehow until we get a real american back in the white house who loves america. This THUG Hussein Obama needs to be sent back to the middle east and arab world where he was born and worships and stay there for good. Maybe he can join the taliban. He has many, many americans scared and nervous, divided and anxious and is simply put; Hussein Obama is a all-out muslim, THUG!!!!

  • Carol Lewis

    In my opinion, we need to bring all our troops home from all those countries where they have been since the very first war began. We don’t need them in England,Japan,Germany,France,Italy, and so on. We need them here at home guarding our borders.
    Obama bin Laden doesn’t give a rats a** if our borders are secure or not. He wants to give amnesty to all those damn illegals and make them citizens so they can vote for him in 2012 in hopes that he will be in the White House another 4 years. People, we cannot afford another 4 years with this Muslim-non American. He needs to be impeached and held accountable for treason. THIS MAN NEEDS TO GO!!!!!

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