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The Disappearance Of Brandon Raub

August 24, 2012 by  

The Disappearance Of Brandon Raub
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The state tried to make former Marine Brandon Raub “disappear.”

After being handcuffed and carted away from his Virginia home by the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield Police Department on Aug. 16, Raub was confined in the John Randolph Psychiatric Medical Hospital where he was given a mental evaluation. On Aug. 20, he was sentenced to up to 30 more days further confinement and ordered by a special judge to a Veteran’s Hospital more than three hours from his home — far away from his family and his legal team — even though a similar facility is about eight miles from his home.

The FBI, Secret Service and police admit Raub has committed no crime. They simply didn’t like his Facebook posts calling 9/11 an inside job, accusing the Bush family of crimes and warning of a coming revolution.

Raub thought he was protecting America’s freedoms when served his two tours of duty in the Mideast. He’s learning that America is no longer the land of the free and the elites have no patience for dissent.

Speech is supposed to be protected — especially speech that makes people uncomfortable. But that is no longer the case in America.

A judge ordered Raub released yesterday, a week after he was dragged from his home. The petition filed by his persecutors was blank and didn’t list a single allegation against him. The judge said Raub suffered a “deprivation of his liberty” by being held without a clear claim.

Free speech received a temporary reprieve. Raub lost seven days of his life.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    Brandon may have lost 7 days of his life but once he gets a good lawyer he should get paid and if he’s the patriot I believe him to be then he will use a lot of that money to further expose his beliefs, of which NONE are crazy. The PTB really messed up on this one. This went viral by his Constitutionalist valued family before he got in the back of the cruiser.
    The deal here is that most Americans truly appreciate the service that these troops made and when they begin to expose the explosive topics Brandon was speaking of, people start to wonder why. So, here comes the men in black to whisk him so that this “deeply troubled and depressed individual” can’t be heard from again. This time it backfired. Everyone now knows he was a strait A student who served 2 terms in Afghanistan and is of VERY SOUND MIND. The “craziest” thing he supposedly said, nevermind that it was on his private Facebook page, was his talk of governmental involvement in child trafficking. I don’t think it’s so crazy and neither does former FBI Cali. Chief Ted Gunderson. Another true patriot.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpvtTI3w-h8
    Now people will be asking why “they” went after an honorable Marine and this is what they’ll find and the PTB really, really don’t like their business out there. Especially by an intelligent, polite and VERY SANE veteran.
    Thank you Brandon Raub! I support you and your opinions of which we are ALL entitled to, no matter the subject!

    • Robert Smith

      “and warning of a coming revolution.”

      Didn’t a Judge in Texas just get publicity for doing exactly that?

      Rob

      • Whit

        A quote from the Texas judge:

        “…We are talking civil unrest, civil disobedience, possibly, possibly civil war, OK?” Lubbock County Judge Tom Head said Tuesday on FOX 34.”

        http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80037.html

        I do not see any mention of “revolution,” however his comments may have implied as such. What the reader infers from his statement is subjective.

      • Mike in MI

        Rob Smut -
        Let’s see, warrantless incarceration for a week at a location remote from one’s home for exercising one’s primary right as an American: talking about possible impending ignoble acts of the British (or something more modern, like that). Now, what historical rulership that you can recall have ever thought that was a entirely legitimate act to exercise upon non-violent citizens? Which nations that have been deemed exemplary long-term world citizens have committed such things on their people?
        The orders to do such things did not originte locally, but from far up in the pecker order.
        Yet, this is the sort of government and kind of people you advocate as worthy and for whom you will stand up and stand with? Doesn’t spea very well for what kind of specimen you are, does it?

      • Colleen

        Yes, the judge in Texas expressed his concern that a potential civil war may be coming in the future and was wanting more money to hire not novices to law enforcement, but those who have the knowledge and skills required to protect the lives and property of those who would be in danger by such civil unrest.

    • Robert Smith

      Oh, and he’s home.

      Here is a way to his facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/groups/Constitutionalpatriots/

      Rob

      • Mike in MI

        Yah, R.S., but it only takes a second, once you have kidnpped someone to inject things into the blood that ablate specific areas of the brain or affect neurotransmitters or neuromodulators that specify functions that don’t serve the “masters”/”Big Brother’s” purposes and then send you home.
        It would be very interesting indeed to be able to monitor his pre- and post-kidnapping, because that’s essentially what they did – “kidnapping”, behaviors. Or, have close family or associates report what they see/hear in comparison to the man who was in there before Obama’s minions grabbed him.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – Turns out that there are THOUSANDS of vets and others who have been detained in the same manner. Just disappeared.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/08/vets-being-round-up-nationwide-people-everywhere-just-disappearing-2456736.html

        Brandon’s mom knew people and starting calling them, or he would have been just another missing person, too. Forgotten. He didn’t even know people were fighting for him until he was released.

        This is huge. People like Robert Smith will be okay with it, will try to excuse and justify it, for their ideological motives. People like him allowed the same thing to happen under Stalin, Hitler, Mao… They just don’t realize what they are supporting, or don’t care.

        Pete Santilli has brought this to the forefront. He’s been making calls to law enforcement, asking why they violated Brandon’s rights and their own oaths in detaining him. They are all scrambling like rats. Won’t even give their names.

        Thank God Brandon’s mom brought this out. Otherwise, we may not have known until it was too late, which was the government’s plan all along. Brandon could be any of us. We could be next.

      • DaveH

        When people get in bed with the devil, they should be prepared for Hell.

      • Mike in MI

        K8ey and Dave
        I’d like to be around on the day Blobert Smut and such like have to go out and take a tour through the regional gas chamber death camps like the German people were forced to do when we freed those camps toward the end of WWII. (Remember the final episodes of the “Band of Brothers” miniseries?)
        Doubt it not, Blobhead, Hitler was a megalomaniac sociopath and so is Obama. You Buttheads and Bevises follow him with the same fervor the German people did Hitler. Sorry for being so blunt but most of you Libs who come on here need to think about yourselves the worst thoughts you had about those “awful German people” upon viewing such horrors. !!!WAKE UP!!!, damn it. You’re the kind of people who make such things possible!!!

        Unless you snap out of the spell and abandon your idolatrous subservience, at some point in the future, you will end up just like the post-WWII Germans. Obama’s already done financially to us exactly what Hitler and friends did to the Wiemar Republic. Don’t wait til one of his next moves is to go through and scoop up all the weapons they can find in some modern “Kristalnacht” operation – or worse.

      • DaveH

        There’s no doubt in my mind, Mike, that the people like Robert are feeding at the trough somehow, maybe even being paid to disrupt the board with their nonsense. But they are at the least Government Employees or some similar thing where they benefit directly from Big Government. I think the Mainstream Liberals (those not feeding at the trough) couldn’t help but wake up after reading the various articles and books that Bob and others have written or linked to. That goes for the Mainstream NeoConservatives also.
        The fact that many of them (Dave67, Daveh234, Flashman, NC) are getting so shrill lately tells me that they’re running scared because they’re losing the battle for the minds. Peoples’ minds can change rather rapidly when they start waking up and doing some independent study.
        We saw that with Homogenic Global Warming. A large majority of people had bought into the hoax initially. Then as more information got out to the public exposing the scam, almost overnight the tables were turned against the hoaxters, and now the large majority of people no longer believe the hype. I think it has also lifted the blinders from many eyes as to how far people in Power Positions will go to feather their own nests.

    • Big Woody

      Let me know when all this shows up in the national media. Until then few in America will know of Robb’s plight. As far as the general public knows it is another “Move along. Nothing to see here, folks” Unless Robb sues and makes it to a high enough court, or the morning talk shows we will not hear of this again.

    • TIME

      Dear REV,

      What every American should be doing – as well should have been doing is Emailing / Calling and FAXing your state reps and “DEMAND” that this young man be sent home ASAP.
      Look people, its him today, it could quite well be YOU next week!

      Only “”YOU”" can stop this maddness, {if you all keep your mouths shut and sit around doing nothing,}
      thats saying you give your “CONSENT” for this absurd Fascist behavior!

      We would not be in this bloody mess today if the Mass of Americans stood up and spoke up over the years!
      So in fact it has been by our own “CON-SENT” by {saying nothing} we have allowed this cancer to fester and grow out of control.

      To everyone – Do YOU all want to stop this?

      It really would have been quite easy years ago,
      {now saddly its going to get really crazy} as in the world is going to go into a “Massive Global Depression” so vast that you can’t even fathom it’s depths.

      YES – We all are guilty, we also have allowed the .05% to rob and rape the world blind. Its not just us today, this has been going on for countless years.
      Ok so we have that out of the way now, so how do we fix it?

      If anyone really wants to work on this, I have a few ideas as well I am open to any ideas that are within reason.
      BUT – Please {not just kill them, and they kill you etc.}.

      Got any solid Ideas?

      Peace and Love

      • http://bobsmart.com Bob Snider

        We need to go to the root of the problem, which is the lack of a proper education for all of us. Our Government Schools (Public Schools) need to be replaced (bulldozed) with a proper voucher system for everybody. Until we get the government out of our schools, we have no long term hope.

      • Mike in MI

        Bob Snider – Fully agreed!!!

      • TIME

        Dear Bob,

        Thank you, Yes indeed thats a big part of the problem, we need to remove the “English Orphan” system, as thats what our education system has been based on since 1880.

        Education of the Classic’s must be returned to be standard formats, thus people could then understand whats happened in the past thus then see the re-issued platforms over and over again.
        AKA – “if you don’t know your past – you are doomed to repeat it.”

        Also Keeping in mind that the standard definition of insanity is; “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a differant result.”

        The System known as the “English Orphan” system is based on moving only a few forward who will repeat what they are told to.
        The rest are left behind.
        This method is not teaching anyone to use your mind as the GIFT it is in any way shape or form. Saddly its only to learn dates, names and to Parrot or repeat what your told.
        Thats not really learning to use your mind, what it does is keeps you in a prison / a small box.

        Come on people what else do you have?

        Peace and Love

    • Theresa Kelly

      The sad thing about this is that it’s not an isolated event. I read a news story this week about a christian gun owner and radio host that was also arrested and taken to a “hospital” for evaluation. That news story brought to light there were sever more incidents of this during the month of August!

      • http://FaceBook Nadine

        As long as obama and such politicians are in office, this arrest of people is going to continue. This is an over reach, illegal type of arrest because he was copying something someone else read. He never wrote it in the first place. Gibson’s Guitars had armed guards come in with rifles and stole their property. One of the businesses who sold guns are in jail with charges that are or will be dropped and they lost everything because they too had armed police come into their business (F and F and made them scapegoats) Many people are being taken away for political reasons and nothing else. This is how Holder runs everything. Look at Fast and Furious for hiding and lying and protecting their own, however, ignoring the Black Panther’s caught on tape with their batons threatening those who weren’t voting for obama. One was a little old lady who was voting for Hillary and she was too afraid to go in and vote. The violence and threats of violence by this administration is nothing more than a military state and so we need this entire bunch taken out of office. I am afraid if we don’t, this guy being arrested for speaking out will be the norm. I hope and pray that God will change the hearts of many and open both their eyes and ears and use the common sense he gave them to protect our Country and our citizens by voting this corruption of politicians out of office, restore our Country and heal the people who are hurting. Being on the “dole” is not healing but dependent and others while stripping away hope, dignity, self-respect and feeling a loss or hopelessness. I think Romney and Ryan will give us back “hope” and “the ability to see a brighter future without the fear of losing our freedoms like speech and religion”. I hope he sues the pants off those who were behind his arrest, all of them including the judge. The judge was also wrong and should have thrown this whole thing out the door.

      • Kate8

        Nadine – Well said, and I agree with everything except your thinking that Romney will put anything right. He won’t.

        I just read an interview with an ex-CIA operative, who got a conscience. When asked, he said that both Obama and Romney are dirty. However, he also said that it’s already been decided that Obama stays. They aren’t leaving that to us to decide. He has a job to finish, that being the destruction and takeover of America by thugs and NAZIs.

        As for me, I live in CA. There aren’t enough Republicans to carry the electoral vote even if every single one of them voted, so for me, it’s moot. (It’s a winner take all state.)

      • DaveH

        I didn’t know you live in California, Kate. My condolences.

      • Robert Smith

        “I read a news story this week about a christian gun owner and radio host that was also arrested and taken to a “hospital” for evaluation. ”

        Excuse me for doubting… I’ve heard christians aren’t supposed to lie, but I’d like to find more about the alleged incident you describe.

        Do you have a name and location?

        Rob

      • Whit

        The following site carried the story of the Christian gun owner:

        http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/6577

        Cheers

      • DaveH

        Listen to Robert (sarcasm). Don’t confuse ignorant statements with lying, Robert. I’ve seen few non-Progressive posters doing any lying. That is almost wholly the realm of Progressives. Note, Folks, that the Progressive category includes both Liberals and Neoconservatives, anybody who thinks Big Government is the answer to our problems, which unfortunately is still too many people.
        Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.
        You see, Robert, non-Progressives don’t need to lie because they’re not trying to sell people on a concept which has failed throughout history, and has no logical basis. The Progressive agenda can only be adopted by people who are swayed by emotions rather than logic. Emotions such as Greed, Envy, Lust (for other peoples’ money), etc.

    • Gordon

      What if he were a nut and planning a mass murder? If the government did nothing and he killed a bunch of people, would the public be yelling, “Why didn’t they do something before the crime?” What about Ft. Hood? Where’s the balance?

      • independent thinker

        There has been NO evidence presented that would indicate he was any kind of threat. You should read the article before you comment you might learn something.

        “The petition filed by his persecutors was blank and didn’t list a single allegation against him.”

        “The FBI, Secret Service and police admit Raub has committed no crime.”

      • Mike in MI

        Gordon -
        There are recognized, legal and proper proceedures in a free country for doing such things. Investigations can be carried out, observation of habits,associations and abnornal behaviors that point to dangerous potentials. Then act.
        Some ding bat dunghead in government just had a sneaking suspicion and the power to come down on Robb like a 100 pound hailstone and sweep him up in a gale of secrecy and confusion.
        As somebody alluded to above: could be you next. Maybe, somebody will report you because you pissed them off or baseless, local gossip was generated because your mistress wants your wife to divorce you (But, your mistress is tied to a local militia person, too. So, they come after you to chemically pick your brain for a few days – then send you home without charges or explanations bout where you’ve been or why. Course your family and boss might want some specifics, but…

        Regardless, they did it for safety’s sake.
        You idiot.

      • Gordon

        MIke are a xxxx. All I stated was a hypothetical situation to make people think. Obviously it was incapable of stimulating your thinking.

      • TIME

        Dear Gordon,

        Your question of; { where is the blanace} is really quite odd.

        As your question has been adressed in a legal doucment known as the
        “Bill of Rights” I understand its no longer valid and has not been for many years, but thats not the issue, the vast amount of Americans still feel its valid.

        Thus the {1st Amendment} allows – {Freedom to express ones self in any form they so choose,| be it Religion, Politics, or even just what you may being think at the moment.
        Thats a “GRANTED RIGHT,” for any American to do so.

        Thus what your asking is why can’t someone just be picked up for any “alledged” reason and held for a ” Crime” that has not occurred yet.

        So Gordon, here’s a question for you, how would you feel if it were YOU rather than Mr. Raub?

        Would you still contend that one should prevent people from speaking their mind, even if you don’t agree with it?

        Peace and Love

        • Daniel from TN

          The only thing Raub’s comments might, repeat, MIGHT have authorized is to place Raub under surveillance, without him knowing about it. That is the way things are supposed to be done, BY LAW, when the authorities think someone MIGHT be doing or planning something suspicious.

      • vicki

        Gordon writes:
        “What if he were a nut and planning a mass murder? If the government did nothing and he killed a bunch of people, would the public be yelling, “Why didn’t they do something before the crime?” What about Ft. Hood? Where’s the balance”

        An armed populace fears not the nut. It’s that easy. No sheep like public bleating for their masters to “do something”

        About Ft Hood. Proof of the point. The soldiers were disarmed at the orders of President Clinton.
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/

      • Kate8

        TIME and Mike in MI – We are entering a time of “pre-crime” arrests and detentions. There will be many people like Gordon who will find a way to justify it.

        They told us about this in “Minority Report”. They always tell us what’s coming, if we are alert. In their world, everything is allowed, all they have to do is tell us what they are going to do to us. If we miss it, that’s our problem.

        We have NDAA, and now this. Under Stalin and Hitler, people who disagreed with them were declared mentally impaired and taken away. Obama is using their strategies, step by step. Of course. He is just the latest in a line of despotic puppets working under the global elite. It works, so why change it. They’ve just gotten smarter and more technologically advanced.

        In spite of all of their efforts to dumb us down and make us docile and unquestioning, they’ve underestimated us. Sure, there are millions on whom it’s succeeded very well: Robert Smith, edduh, truesoy, smilee…to name only a few. But there are also millions of us on whom it has NOT worked, and WE will be the ones who defeat them. They may be powerful, but they are crumbling and desperate, and they will mess up. They ARE messing up. And now we’re on to them.

        • Daniel from TN

          I agree. The people are on to the Liberal agenda, aka UN agenda 21. Liberals now KNOW the people are aware and are afraid of the people. This is why they are preparing for civil war. Preparations?
          1. FEMA camps – They look like POW camps, NOT emergency shelters. Barbed/razor wire is on the fences in a way to prevent people from breaking OUT, not in.
          2. Increased attempts to engage US militry troops overseas. Liberals know US troops, as a whole, will NOT fire on US citizens, the very people they swore to defend.
          3. UN troops practicing door-to-door invasions of US homes for the purpose of confiscating all firearms. UN troops practicing “emergency assistance” drills with police and emergency personnel, on US soil (Videos of both can be seen on several websites). Liberals know UN troops WILL fire on US citizens.
          4. The passage of NDAA, Patriot Act extension, ObamaCare and other unconstitutional legislation. These are all designed to control the people, not protect or benefit the people.
          5. Repeated attempts to limit or eliminate 2nd amendment rights. Liberals know the right to bear arms means the right to bear arms against our own government when that government steps over its constitutionally established limits. Liberals have repeatedly stepped over that line, boldly in recent years. They have pushed the people for years and now the people are ready to push back. That push back MIGHT be as civil war, which is why they are desparately trying to pass anti-gun legislation.
          6. Attempts to pass legislation to control or turn off the internet. Now that Liberals control the mainstream media the internet is the only source for complete, truthful, unedited news.
          7. DHS and other government agencies ordering over one BILLION rounds of hollow point ammunition, illegal in war against countries according to the Geneva Convention, but perfectly legal for use in civil war.
          I could list more, but you get the idea. Liberals would not be making all these preparations unless they thought the possiblility of civil war was real.

          America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        Not related but on the issue of the “TIME Clock,” I am not 100% sure about its meaning, or even it it has any, but I am looking into it, it may quite well be a hoax, but again thats not something I have proven, it’s just a thought. ** But It is creepy!

        ** This info I have found, at some point in TIME the earth did rotate counter clockwise, why it changed is one of the great mysterys, there are a few theories that all can be sustained.

        On a related note to this thread, I agree with you there is a war for Information and Indoctrination thats been going on for years.
        Non the less there is coming a total collapse of the Money Systems of the world, as thats just way to far along at this point in TIME to be able to stop it.
        As noted they do tell you what they are going to do, and even when.

        Peace and Love

      • Kate8

        TIME – And don’t forget that a year was once 360 days. All of the ancient calendars were 360 day years, including the Hebrew calendar.

        There was an event…can’t recall which one at this moment…that changed the Earth’s orbit to roughly 365 days. Was it a previous passing of Nibiru? A pole shift? I’m tired after a long day, and am a bit fuzzy on it.

        There are many symbols which appear to show a celestial event…the SAME event. Even the Islamic star and crescent appear to be a type of eclipse…as a star passing in front of the sun. It has been assumed that it was a moon and a star, representing Allah, the moon god. But is it? Because there is a star within the crescent, more like an indicator of it being a large star passing in front of what could only be the sun.

        The crescent is in all the ancient symbols, prominently, as is the star. They all appear to depict a celestial event.

        The elite could project a fake event, and then blame a manufactured cataclysm on such an event. Endless possibilities.

        • Frank

          Kate8

          Okay, I am not sure if you are using your comment as a reference to a mythological idea in Islam or not but I just wanted to point out the physics of the fallacy of any possibility of what you pose actually happening.

          First we must consider the size and type of stars. Our star called the sun or Sol is a small yellow star. There are white dwarfs that are smaller but arguably more massive. Let us assume for arguement that the “star” between the earth and Sol is the same type and size as our star. If you know something about gravitational effects you would know that two stars of equal size to our star coming within one AU (astronomical unit = 93,000,000 miles) of each other would have very definate and catastrophic consequences. Assuming that the rogue star was not travelling at or near the speed of light in relationship with our solar system, it would be inevitable that they would collide. Even if the rogue star was travelling at sufficient velocity to avoid a collission, it would rip the solar system apart. At the very least it would destroy the two planets closer to the sun, and fry all life on earth to cinders if it was less than 1/2 an AU from us.

          To posit such an occurance is scientifically unthinkable much like saying that at some time in the past the earth suddenly stopped its direction of rotation and started rotating in the opposite direction (barring the intervention of the king of the Elohim also known as God). I have not done the math for the circumference of the earth but I know it is big enough that we are travelling at almost 1,000 miles an hour around the globe. Imagine what the water in the ocean would do if the land mass suddenly stopped moving from 1,000 miles an hour and accellerated in the opposite direction at the same speed. The water in the ocean would now be flowing across the continents at 2,000 miles an hour.

          Anyway, to your statement about the symbol of the star and cresent moon in the religion of Islam. There are two possibilities for this symbol. 1. Although calling Allah the pagan moon god has been vehemently denied, it is possible if true that the image of the star is Allah shown shining while standing on the moon. 2. It is simply a representation showing the cresent moon during the day with the sun in the background saying that Allah is the creator of everything from the moon to the sun.

          Who knows where they derived their imagery? Maybe a Muslim priest could tell us.

      • DaveH

        Frank says — “I have not done the math for the circumference of the earth but I know it is big enough that we are travelling at almost 1,000 miles an hour around the globe. Imagine what the water in the ocean would do if the land mass suddenly stopped moving from 1,000 miles an hour and accellerated in the opposite direction at the same speed. The water in the ocean would now be flowing across the continents at 2,000 miles an hour.”.
        What made you assume a sudden stop, Frank? That wasn’t very Scientific. Science involves rigorous testing of a hypothesis before it is accepted as fact or not. I don’t think you gave Kate’s hypothesis that rigorous testing.
        Chances are that if such an event occurred it would be over a long period of time, maybe years, maybe hundreds of years, maybe thousands of years, all being a drop in the time bucket of Earth’s history.

        • Frank

          Actually DaveH the earth stopping was not in response to her but it was described to me that it happened suddenly in the past one day one way the next the opposite.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 -
        If I remember right good old Woody Wilson and possibly FDR did the same things to our fellow Americans. Threw ‘em in Bedlam and buried the key (until they were exposed).
        Were they remorseful? Hell no! Those arrests and “judicially” arranged citizens’ confinements were the progressive’s answer to dealing with people who like their rights…straight jackets, drugged, solitary confinement and the indignities suffered at the hands of the same american Mengeles who support Obama and friends.
        There are lots of ego blinded psychiatrists practicing in this country who think proper brain function is established by chemically deadening whole spectra of brain functions in order to get at one target symptomatic function.

      • DaveH

        You addressed Kate8, Frank.

        • Frank

          If you read my response to Kate8 you will see it was to her mention of a star between the earth and the sun and that the part about the earth reversing its rotation was an example of another persons claim that was equaly improbable due to the physics of the event.

      • http://Internetexplorer Ray

        Here’s the balance. You cannot compare a hard line muslum with a USA veteran. A nut job that has been raised to kill Americans is just a nut job….

    • Red Diver

      Brandon is free because folks saw his takedown and kidnapping, and publicized it. How many more have been ‘disappeared’ that we haven’t heard about??

      • http://www.facebook.com/frances.carney.1 Frances Carney

        Re: Douglas Dauntless: Are we talking about these things happening in America??? If so I am scared for the future. The problem is sooo many Idiots are still voting for “you know who” and they are the scarier ones.

        • Daniel from TN

          The ones who keep voting for the Liberals are the “Gimme, gimme” people. Those people are now close to being the majority in the country, thanks to Liberal passed laws designed to increase the number of welfare, food stamp, and other aid recipients, of which illegal immigrants are now a significant part. These laws are specifically designed to INCREASE the number of Gimmes, so Liberals can insure their own presence in Congress.

      • Mike in MI

        Frances -
        Welcome to the real world.

    • CHURCHOFFAITH

      I AGREE!! AND TO CAP ON BRANDON’S COMMENT; IT DEFINATELY WAS AN INSIDE JOB. GWB AND ALL INVOLVED WILL ONE DAY ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE OF THE US AND TO THE FAMILIES THAT LOST LOVED ONES HEAR AND ABROAD FOR WAR CRIMES. THERE IS A DVD CALLED “911 TRUTH” I WANT YOU TO FIND IT AND CHECK IT OUT YOU WILL BE VERY SURPRIZED. GOD BLESS.

    • DaveH
    • Matrix

      Please all good Americans, Lets stand and fight for the America that was, not the thought that is!!!!!

    • Al Clay

      Well the judge was a stellar judge, need to sing his praises, with his own lawyer adding that Raub had some mental issues, the judge could have kept him for 30 days and it appears that the FBI, Secret service, and his attorney expected it. But the only one there that day for Raub was the judge with experence in people and government, and found the defects and let him go, knowing the underlying issue was some sort of retaliation, and abuse of the process, the judge let him go much faster than most would have, as he should have, and that is why the man deserves to be called “Your Honor.”

    • JC

      The History books tell us that other nations have used the same tactic to silence dissent.
      Kidnapping citizens, putting them in asylums and declaring them insane….most notably Josef Stalin. Look familiar?

    • Mark Rybeck

      America in 2012 under Barack Hussein Obama. Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?

  • SASQUACH

    I think that the officers envolved need to be taught a lesson and be charged with kidnappiing including the ones from the FBI and Secrete Service and their bosses that sent them to be charged with aiding and abetting. This would check them.

    • Gordon

      Again I say= What if he were a nut and planning a mass murder? If the government did nothing and he killed a bunch of people, would the public be yelling, “Why didn’t they do something before the crime?” What about Ft. Hood? Where’s the balance?

      • independent thinker

        NO evidence of a crime has been presented. See my reply to you just above.

      • Mike in MI

        Gordon – re: mass murders…
        If you are willing and capable of informing yourself by doing some research on-line or elsewhere you might find how a quite compelling case can be built that elements of your government carried out those actions for very specific reasons…look for “false flag incidents”.

      • Gordon

        responding implies dignifying your ignorant comments. I apologize for doing so.

      • Vicki

        Gordon says:
        “Again I say= What if he were a nut and planning a mass murder? If the government did nothing and he killed a bunch of people, would the public be yelling, “Why didn’t they do something before the crime?” What about Ft. Hood? Where’s the balance?”

        So again I say
        An armed populace fears not the nut. It’s that easy. No sheep like public bleating for their masters to “do something”

        About Ft Hood. Proof of the point. The soldiers were disarmed at the orders of President Clinton.
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/

      • DaveH

        Gordon says — “What if he were a nut and planning a mass murder? If the government did nothing and he killed a bunch of people, would the public be yelling, “Why didn’t they do something before the crime?”
        Only the Liberals, Gordon, who believe that Government really can prevent such occurrences. In fact they are more likely to be the perps.
        You did read Vicki’s comment about Fort Hood, didn’t you Gordon?

      • Matrix

        Gordon,
        Lets say this moron, your entire family is raped and murdered by Obama and the panthers that support him, is that ok with you, you hideous freak?

        • Daniel from TN

          The only thing the government could have done to the Ft. Hood shooter BEFORE the tragedy was keep him under surveillance, IF anything was even suspected beforehand. The same was true with Raub: The only thing his comments on Facebook MIGHT have authorized was surveillance.

          America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

      • bdwatcher

        We can NEVER, I mean NEVER presuppose to give away our liberties or someone elses in the name of fear. Because Raub “might” be a mass murder is not any reason for him to lose his rights. Your permission to arrest, incarcerate anyone in a mental institute then could be anyone, including you. Because ( I assume) you wouldn’t be a mass murderer and abhore this scenerio does not mean you can not can not be arrested, incarcerated and possibly medicated with mind altering meds? Since the laws, or the accepted permissions of them, are acted upon equally, where does it stop? As NDAA surmises, terrorists, associated terrorists, terrorist organizations, support of terrorist organizations all the way down to a Belligerant…. Hmmm… In the court case NOW, the govt could not give a scenerio of enforcing (or not) charges of belligerance..govt even stated no scenerio which would keep reporters, journalists from indefinite detention doing their 1st Amendment rights. And, agreed the three who brought the suit would not lose their constitutional rights, but no one else in the US or the world. So, this slippery slope is possibly a mass murderer all the way down to dissent? Make no bones about it, Govt assumes permissions and rights to do all unless it is expressly prohibited by law.. then it will attempt to circumvent if nothing is said. Lack of action is the same as submission as omission of the truth is the same as a lie.

      • ONTIME

        Many of us keep asking when it was that the Fraud in the WH got a crown and extended his “Kill List” to Americans who oppose his communist ideology and his sure fire way of wanting to make free speech a constitutional elimination to quell his many critics….should he not be in jail also?

  • BruceD

    In defense of the police in matters. I suspect they were contacted by the SS and FBI listing the person as a suspected terrorist. They would obviously be dupped here. Hopefully this will get local law enforcement to examine the details before getting involved. On the other hand, they may provide safety to the suspect given some of the reported cowboy tactics of the federal agencies at times. Oh, like having armed people from the health departments shutting down a dairy farmer for not pasturizing his milk for instance.

    • Tom Cook

      Oh, so you don’t think that the fat stupid police aren’t thugs like all of the other jack-booted thugs. Are you stupid Brucie? How ’bout the stupid cowardly fat police who murdered an upstanding citizen, West Pointer in front of Costco in Las Vegas? And those incidents occur daily but are not reported by the mindless crud that is MSM.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        The difference is this was a federal operation not a local one. The locals were just along for the ride so to speak. If it were a local operation you would have a point.

  • Tom Cook

    Hopefully he’ll get a good attorney and sue the thugs for enough to keep him comfortable for his entire life.

  • http://yahoo rgibbs

    Have you all forgotten that the idiot in chief has signed a law which says that the government can arrest you for any purpose without judicial oversight. NDAA. How many of you know that the idiot sign an executive order in March 2012 that states the government can take you off the street and put you in a labor camp if it is decided for the good of the government. We are in a full blown dictatorship and the American people are idiots. If you do not belief this, go to the HUFF post and read what a liberal writer put in a column.

    • Big Woody

      Don’t give our IDIOT IN CHIEF all the credit. NDAA and HR347 were both passed overwhelmingly by both houses of a very bipartisain Congress. Very few voted against either. Look it up and remember all their names when you vote in Novemfer.
      The 13 senators who voted against the bill were:

      Dick Durbin (D-Ill.),
      Ben Cardin (D-Md.),
      Al Franken (D-Minn.),
      Tom Harkin (D-Iowa),
      Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.),
      Ron Wyden (D-Ore.),
      Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.),
      Jim Risch (R-Idaho),
      Rand Paul (R-Ky.),
      Mike Lee (R-Utah),
      Jim DeMint (R-S.C.),
      Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and
      Tom Coburn (R-Okla.).

      The House released the official vote tally on its website and it shows that 190 Republicans voted for the bill and 43 voted against it, while 93 Democratic representatives voted for and 93 voted against it.
      These that voted against NDAA are the only ones I would consider favorably for re election. ALL that voted for it should be charged with treason for passing a bill that restricts our Constitutional Rights. Including Obama for signing it. I would like to see this topic brought up during the debates. If Ryan wants to be V-P. I would like to hear his explanation for voting for this attack on our rights.

    • Deb

      You got that right!!! Wake up Americans

  • Ken Sparrow

    I hope he files a lawsuit for kidnapping and false imprisonment and gets a big pay out. The FBI and SS who has no charges but just ego and abuse of power should be tried and sent to jail. The police should also be tried on being an idiot carrying a gun. These people should also have to pay.

    • Deb

      That’s all fine and dandy but the tax payers are the one’s who really for these lawsuits.

      • Gordon

        What? Are you implying that the people are the government? You mean the goverment is not an ontonomous entity that has “it’s own” monetary system. If they just print FIAT money, won’t that eliminate the public taxpayers?

  • sabulaman

    They are reading these posts as well. We will all be looking over our shoulders from now on.

    • Gordon

      Welcom to reality. Is this 1984 or Demolition Man, 2036 ?? Naw, this is the New America of 2012, the end of life as we have known it.

  • Gea

    BO is not an idiot! He is a Caliph in Chief who is acting as msot Musloim leaders do: killing oposition, and using taqiyya to decieve masses,. The only difference is that he is not stealing from his people as Arab leaders routinely do.

    As for this dude who was put into psychiatric institution for spreading “inside job” fantasy, he clearly does not have all his ducks in order ;-)! One just has to watch what BO Muslim brothers and Ahmedinijad spout to see that 9/11 was done for Allahu Akbar, and not by US government.

    • Ted Crawford

      Not entirely out of the question. Obama is so narcisissticly delusional that he may actually believe himself to be the 12th. Imam!

      • Gordon

        Let’s not exclude that his homosexual lover has been saying since 2007 that he is a major crack addict and mj smoker. Drug addiction does not promote rational thought.= teleprompter?

    • steve

      not stealing .than what would you call QE1 & 2?

    • eddie47d

      Brandon Raub made his accusations on November 11 2011. How appropriate for a veteran to do so on Veterans Day. His accusations were also against George Bush not Obama. That may be immaterial but all threats or unflattering comments against any President would be suspect in that persons intentions.Lets see if any or all of his Facebook comments will be posted here. That would be real free speech and give us all a chance for better judgement. If there was never any danger to the President (either one) and he was only voicing a little free speech then he should be immediately released. There may be more to this story on why he was arrested so it wouldn’t matter who is President. If he is innocent he should also be given a Public Apology and paid for this encroachment on his liberties.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        eddie why don’t you retake reading and comprehension.

        “A judge ordered Raub released yesterday, a week after he was dragged from his home. The petition filed by his persecutors was blank and didn’t list a single allegation against him. The judge said Raub suffered a “deprivation of his liberty” by being held without a clear claim.”

        and

        “The FBI, Secret Service and police admit Raub has committed no crime. They simply didn’t like his Facebook posts…”

        In other words the feds have NOTHING on him they just do not like him exercising his freedom of speech.

      • eddie47d

        Buster can’t comprehend anything outside of his own voice or what he as been told. You’re such an easy sell Buster.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        I must have hit a nerve huh eddie. You have no rebutal for my proof so you have to make a poor attempt at insulting me.

      • JC

        Buster, that’s all the liberal commies have got…insults and innuendo. And that’s on a “good” day.

  • http://www.cafr1.com/ GrayStroke

    Here is a another great example of what may loom ahead. Since these “government agents” are so wiling to violate his 1st Amendment rights because they are “just following orders”; then the time may come when battle hardened troops (w/o basic educational knowledge such as this leatherneck) will readily knock on doors and carry you away w/o blinking an eye. After all they have been conditioned to recognize a terrorist, right?

    Yep welcome to a reality check. For those that think his parents will sue and get financial compensation dream on. This will stall for years just like the Nidal Hasan case at Ft. Hood.

    The best defense is when this happens again is to make a big public stink thank God it worked this time.

    • Ted Crawford

      That is exactly why they are fighting so hard for Net Neutrality, or any other Bill that will give them total control over the airwaves!

    • Gordon

      Do a quick survey. You will discover that military resignations are way up. Many are leaving our military because of the things they have been asked if they would do, are trained to do, and many are planning on being home defending their families WTSHTF.

    • MLS

      Except this young man was a straight A student – so presumably he did have basic knowledge.

    • DaveH

      For over a hundred years Americans have stuck their heads in the sand while the Leaders take away the rights and lives of citizens in other countries for their own enrichment. How can anybody seriously think that they wouldn’t do the same thing here without conscience?

    • JC

      Kind of remionds you of the Nazi death camp excuses doesn’t it?
      “we were just doing our job”

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    Get all the military home, let them take the jobs that the immigrants have ,deport all immigrants ,elect a white president, and start all over. Definately get rid of Obummer and Holder.

    • Ted Crawford

      Racism is inapproiate at any point on the Political Spectrum! It’s rude, crude and counterproductive! ! !

    • mark

      gottaplenty, at least you are an open racist and hater not like most of the clandestine posters on the site who use all these code words. You come right out and admit your racism, your prejudice, and your hatred. I bet you’re a Christian, too.

      • Doug

        No prejudice either eh Mark? Bet your Ahole or a hot dog catcher!! Or maybe just a lost soul!

      • DaveH

        You don’t do a very good job of masking either your hatred or your ignorance, mark.

      • JC

        And mark joins in with his typical liberal “innuendo”. No proof, no foundation, just spurious accusations…right out of the liberal commie playbook. Still, the deport “all” immigrants comment is uncalled for…just the illegal ones have to go….

        • http://Hotmail,Facebook Jerry Verdugo

          It’s starting to look like “racism” is an issue whenever someone makes a personal comment. Well, buddy, we “all” have a right to choose what pleases us. As long as “we” don’t violate the law, then “amen!” If there’s someone out there who doesn’t like this, then the Bible says “God is not partial.”

    • Paul B.

      gottaplenty… Obummer’s failures have nothing to do with his being black, or half black, whatever… it matters not. He sucks because of his ideology. Being white is absolutely NO guarantee of being any better.

      What would this country be like if either Kerry or Gore were to have been elected, as they almost did? What if Biden, bless his pointy head, were for some reason required to take the seat in the Oval Office. Now THAT would be trouble, probably worse than we have now… what an idiot.

      All us here on PLD would appreciate you refraining from the racist remarks as they are both false and prove you lack the respect and intelligence to make reasoned decisions… and we get enough of the emotionally charged rhetoric already from the left without any help from idiots like you.

      I might be willing to bet that are actually a lib in disguise posting as such in attempt to give your buddies a chance to comment on how racist this site is. Nice try but ineffective for liberty knows no race or creed, and true patriots fight for all citizens.

      • Martin Tousignant

        I strongly agree. These are cheap rhetorical tricks to poison the well (using the race card) or change the subject. Stay focused on liberty!

      • DAVE

        What would this country be like if either Kerry or Gore were to have been elected, as they almost did?

        It would be like it was under that horrible Bill Clinton. Thriving economy, budget surplus, no wars to speak of. Wouldn’t want that though would we.

        And BTW Gore was elected. I didn’t hear any champions of states rights going nuts because the SCOTUS stepped on FLs court and appointed Bush Jr.

    • Gordon

      Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder?

    • eddie47d

      Paul B that is typical of Gottaplenty’s comments and he was outed by Mark. We all know Mark is a Liberal and Gottaplenty is a racist troll so Mark was only stating an obvious fact.

    • rocketride

      Bigoted fool.

      Doesn’t have to be a white president, just has to not be a red one.

  • Gatlin2

    How do you use the legal system to control the lawless?

  • Dick Grace

    How much longer will free men tolerate this garbage. Where in agreement we as individual members of free states, the constitution, did we pledge to go into bondage and financial slavery to satisfy the desires of those with which we vehemently disagree. If the president and his socialist buddies want to exclude God then let them do it but to force those of us that believe in God to shut up and by our silence acquiesce to religious intolerance is unthinkable. Free men will not go quietly into bondage. Just because the lunatics in congress, the supreme court and the executive branch have decided to declare themselves kings and lords dammed sure doesn’t mean I agree with them or will submit to their bondage.

    • DaveH

      Once you realize that Government is the Biggest Gang in the Land, Dick, everything they do will become clear.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        “Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as their power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate”.

  • Dale

    Sign of the End Times for America!

    • Ted Crawford

      We’ll know on November 7, if that time is now or at some later date!

      • Gordon

        Ted, you are an optimist. The inevitable end is here. period. LIfe as we have known it is over. done, kaput, nada. Everybody open your eyes and look at the entire encompassing world situation. Drought, famine, global warming (it is much hotter), wars, massive inflation, socio-economic collapse, jihad, etc.. YOU might live a sheltered existence for a while, but life as we have known it is done. Welcome to the new “third world America” coming to a street corner near you.

      • Dennis

        @ Gordon,
        You ain’t seen nothing yet, bad times, real bad times are on the way, like never seen before, brought on by Governments around the world.

  • mark

    “Raub thought he was protecting America’s freedoms when served his two tours of duty in the Mideast.” Well, Raub is a complete idiot like so many of our service personnel. The U.S. wars in the Middle East have zero to do with our freedom. Just like the Vietnam War, the Korean War, and so many of our Cold War and War on Terror interventions. Absolutely zero. Don’t tell me you are fighting for my freedom, all you Marines, GIs, airmen, and sailors, because you are not – and when you and your commanders say so you are all absolute liars. Just like they all lied about Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, and the famous weapons of mass destruction – congenital liars.

    At least they checked this nut out in a sanitarium before he walked into a movie theatre and machined gunned down dozens of innocents like I’m sure he and his buddies did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    • Chester

      Sir, if YOU do NOT believe our troops are working to protect YOUR freedom, then, SIR, I kindly suggest that you move to a country where you CAN see and feel the protection provided by OUR troops, such as Afghanistan, or Iraq. Of course, they will not be able to protect you from the Iraqi or Afghani who decides you are a threat to THEIR preferred way of life and/or religion. Have you seen a suicide bomber walk into a chapel or a market here and blow themselves and a hundred or so other people straight to the otherworld? I thought not, and you can thank our troops in large part for not having seen such as that. There have been a few nutjobs, such as McVeigh and all these idiots going off here lately with guns in crowded theaters and the like.

      • mark

        Yes Chester but we invaded their country and we are over there on their soil. The Iraqi and Afghani armies never invaded our country and occupied our streets and towns. The 9/11 terrorists were all Saudis and Egyptians – our allies in the Middle East. I’m not leaving my country but I would like to see the politicians and the military commanders who concocted the illegal and criminal invasion of Iraq brought up on war crimes and put in prison. I’m not going anywhere but they should all go to jail.

      • Gordon

        Mark, this middle east thing is always about OIL. WE as a society have to help the possessors of oil be our friends and sell us oil. IF we do NOT, then sooner or later the muslims will get together and control 70% of the world’s known oil reserves and THEN, where do you think the “free western nations” will be economically and socially when they turn off the valves? Picture it. No electricity, no transportation, no heat, etc. Most people just don’t comprehend it.

      • Gordon

        NO OIL =NO FOOD= bringing us to our knees in every sense of the word.

      • mark

        Gordon, they will all sell us oil. They have no choice. And when one individual country refuses to sell us oil, it does not matter. They sell it to other countries and then these countries need less from other sellers. So the total amount in the oil pool availbable to us does not change. We deliberately boycott Iranian oil. We don’t buy it. They sell most of their oil to China. This means China buys less oil from other Middle Eastern, African, and Latin American producers. This makes more oil available to us. Our boycott of Iranian oil has zero effect on the global reserve and the global price. If Iran on its own cut all oil sales to the U.S., the same situation would hold. All these countries desperately need hard currency revenues, so they will all sell oil to either to us, our allies, or our competitors/enemies. As long as they sell, it does not matter to whom. It all goes into the overall oil pool and keeps plenty available for us.

        No can sit on their oil for long. For a short period to make a political point, yes (this is why we keep a one-year supply in our strategic oil reserve) but never for long. They would starve, riots would break out, gov’ts would be overthrown. We actually already have all the oil producers over a barrel. They desperately need our or other importers markets. They would starve and die without them. This myth that we have to occupy every country that sells oil to us to guarantee the supply flow is a neocon canard. We have zero U.S. troops in Iraq today and their global oil sales are actually rising as their infrastructure and oil pumping improves now that U.S. troops, who brought an horrendous civil war to the country, are gone. When we had 200,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, their oil sales were a trickle. So much for the theory that we have to invade countries in order to ensure that they will sell us oil or sell it in the overall global marker.

      • Gordon

        LOL Holy cow, no wonder our nation is in a mess. You just flat do not comprehend it, do you Mark?

      • DaveH

        Damn, I hate agreeing with mark, Chester, but he’s right on this one. The Soldiers AREN’T protecting our Freedom by meddling in other countries’ affairs around the world. In fact they are endangering it by increasing the amount of enemies who aspire to someday wipe out the US. But mark is wrong about the soldiers doing it knowingly. Most of them have been duped the same way most of us have been duped by the Bankers and Corporatists who are using our soldiers for cannon fodder to achieve greater Wealth and Power.
        Read this, Chester, and figure out what’s really going on:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Wall%20Street,%20Banks,%20and%20American%20Foreign%20Policy.pdf

      • DaveH

        You have been duped, Gordon. It isn’t about the oil. If all they wanted was the oil they could just open up drilling in the ANWR.
        Hint:
        Iraq decided to stop pricing their oil in dollars — 2000
        Iran decided to stop pricing their oil in dollars — 2009
        Libya decided to price their oil in gold-backed Dinars — 2011

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqZfaj34nc

    • eddie47d

      You are correct Mark but please don’t call Raub an idiot. Many GI’s speak out after coming home from these wars. We need to know the whole truth about these conflicts from both sides so respect his exposing those who sent us over there. Thank You

  • General ” Bull ” Shipper

    The local police and Sheriff’s offices should not assist foreign agents, FBI, ATF,and others, with out proper paper work in their hands. If these foreign agents do not have proper paper work for what they are doing, they should be escorted from the property and told not to come back without it.

    • mark

      Hate to inform your General, but the FBI and ATF are not foreign agents – neither is the Coast Guard.

      • Gordon

        Mark that is not what he said. He might have been referring to the fact that Interpol now has full and unrestricted access to USA records and citizenry…….. oh yes, check it out.

    • Gordon

      WE need to just keep them out of our country completely. period. The USA should be the USA, not the United States of the United Nations.

      • DaveH

        Get US out of the UN!

      • DaveH

        For those who don’t know, the UN was set up By Leaders For Leaders. UN Leaders are not even chosen by democratic vote even though they profess to be spreading “democracy” around the world. It’s a joke. And even if the UN Leaders were democratically elected, their actions are just that much further from the watchful eye of the people they supposedly represent.
        For a good example of how Central Government grows uncontrollably even with “democratically” elected Government, we need look no further than the US Federal Government, which has far exceeded its allotted Constitutional Powers, even under the “watchful” (that’s a joke) eyes of the citizens.
        The more Power the UN acquires, the less control people will have over them:
        http://mises.org/journals/scholar/Stromberg.pdf

    • eddie47d

      See how Bull and Gordon changed the subject and brought in “foreign agents and the United Nations” when they weren’t even mentioned. Is that to enhance the stories plot by making it a world wide conspiracy?

  • Larry

    I know it will not happen but I hope the folks that did this to Raub are made to pay for their arrogance and immorality.

    • mark

      I hope that Raub is ALSO made to pay for his arrogance and immorality

      • Gordon

        Mark your statements reveal that you are a hate filled and vindictive person.

  • Lawrence Hayes

    God blesses a nation because of its prayers, not its power. God blesses nations who humbly seek Him. “…if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).

  • Bev

    So now we have proof that big brother is trolling through facebook to see who they can arrest. Outrage doesn’t begin to express what I feel about this incident. Cancel your facebook accts and give up your smart phones.

    • Gordon

      Well welcome to reality. Did you actually believe that this internet and phone things are private? Phones are radios sending signals through the air for anybody to grab…… and anybody can tune into the net. DUH

    • Vicki

      No need to worry about facebook. This is one of the most popular conservative sites on the net. We are being watched. They even send agents Provocateur to try and get us to say mean things.

    • DaveH

      I think I read somewhere (maybe here?) that his parent(s) got him freed by posting the events on Facebook. So maybe, it’s a double-edged sword.

  • rick

    The current parallels to pre-Revolutionary War America are frightening.

    • mark

      Yeah, he spent a week being evaluated at a medical hospital. Wow what an incredible atrocity. It tops anything Hitler or Stalin ever did. If he had not been evaluated and had committed some crime, killed some innocent people, everyone would have condemned the miltary for not giving him an evaluation and medical treatment after he returned from combat duty. What a non-story this is and more of this endless attempt to pump up paranoia and hatred toward the U.S. government.

      • independent thinker

        Well lets see mark.

        There has been NO evidence presented that would indicate he was any kind of threat. You should read the article before you comment you might learn something.

        “The petition filed by his persecutors was blank and didn’t list a single allegation against him.”

        “The FBI, Secret Service and police admit Raub has committed no crime.”

      • DaveH

        mark,
        Your zealotry is so obvious. Only the most brain-dead people would not be concerned about his treatment.

    • eddie47d

      Good point Mark . Several in earlier posts (different days) have said why the Ft Hood shooter wasn’t evaluated better to stop what he did. I’m more inclined to be on Raub’s side but do we know what his real intentions were?

      • Vicki

        An armed populace fears not the nut. It’s that easy. We wouldn’t have to worry about his intentions cause if, like the Ft Hood shooter, they were dishonorable he would have been neutralized by his intended victims.

        About Ft Hood. Proof of the point. The soldiers were disarmed at the orders of President Clinton.
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/

        Had they been armed as they should have been there would not be a need for a trial and the shooter would be chatting with Allah directly.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        ” Several in earlier posts (different days) have said why the Ft Hood shooter wasn’t evaluated better to stop what he did.”

        While perhaps a few have said that eddie many many more have questioned why the information available (which the FBI admits was ignored) was not followed up on.

        • Daniel from TN

          Why people are wondering why the Ft. Hood shooter was not evaluated are overlooking one crucial point. The shooter is a psychiatrist. First, he is one of those CONDUCTING mental evaluations., Second, because he conducted evaluations he knew exactly how to answer the questions he would be asked to avoid suspicion.

          America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

      • DaveH

        Speaking of brain-dead zealots.

      • eddie47d

        Hey Buster don’t let Dave smack you like that!

      • DaveH

        Nice try, Eddie, but you know my comment was directed to you.

  • El Love

    I wonder how “disappeared” he would have become if he was making allegations against obama and his administration and ALL the crimes obama and his creepy cohorts HAVE committed. Bet he would never have been found.

    • mark

      Only problem with this ridiculous conjecture, is that it can never be proven since it never happened. When you spend a week in a medical hospital and all your familiy knows about it, that is not being “disappeared.” Talk to the people of Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Guatemala, etc about being “disappeared.” They were all horribly tortured and murdered by the tens of thousands and never heard of again. They didn’t spend a week being examined in a first-class, medical hospital where they were never brutalized and let go after 7 days. By the way, the horrendous atrocities against Latin Americans in the 1960s-1980s in the countries I mentioned were fully supported by the U.S. government and military. Again this is another non-story designed to spook all the Chicken Little, fraidy-cats who read this site

      • Gordon

        Mark, once again you missed the entire point. HE was never officially charged with anything, yet his Constitutional Rights were taken from him without any due process at all. Pretty much every one of his rights, just name them: 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th, ah shoot, you just look them up you obviously need the education.

      • El Love

        I don’t think we can talk to anyone who really disappeared…

      • Doug

        FBI, CIA please pick up Mark you can tell this one is really off the reservation! He needs a wonderful week in a top medical facility to see if there really is anything between his ears! I vote no but a good week inside on should let us all know so we can feel save that Mark does not go on a killing spree!

      • mark

        Gordon, in the U.S. military, you are constantly denied due process. Your rights are constantly violated. Have you ever served in the military. I have. When one stupid item is missing from the barracks, they tear the place apart, open up all everyone’s locker, toss their personal items on the floor. All without a search warrant. They haul people into detention cells and grill them for days on end trying to find out what happened to the stupid sergeant’s radio. I saw this crap happen all the time. What about your Constitutional right to assemble and petition your government for a redress of your greivances, the 1st Amendment? Try that in the military! Try to have a strike or a protest action. They call that mutiny and it is punishable by death. While you may not give up these rights theoretically, in every practical sense you lose most of your rights when you join the military and take that federal paycheck. Try exercising your freedom of speech in the miltary. When a general or mid-level officer gives you an order, question it openly, exercise your freedom of speech guaranteed under the Constitution you are supposedly fighting to preserve, and see what happens to you? The military stockades of this country have been full of soldiers who exercised their right to free speech to their superior officers for two and a quarter centuries! Do you live in the real world or some kind of La-La Land?

        Do you think you get a formal trial when they accuse of some stupidity without proof or witnesses – and make you work KP for weeks on end? C’mon Gordon. Our military is an a thoroughly authoritarian organization, undemocratic and unconstitutional in every way. Our military even goes to war, to war, Gordon in clear violation of the Constitution, without a Congressional Declaration of war. Don’t talk to me about our military and the Constitution because you just come across like some kind of naive fool with no practical life experience if you think that killing machine has or ever has had any regard for the U.S. Constitution. And I’m only talking about how they white soldiers! How do you think black soldiers, immigrant soldiers, and Latin American soldiers were treated in our sanctified military over the past 2 centuries? Do you really think they were all afforded due process by their superiors? Do you really think what happened to Raub is anything new. It has been going on from the first day of the Republic. Even before in 1775 when the Continental Army was first formed.

        • Daniel from TN

          Let me guess! You forgot to take your medication this morning!
          Yes, things are different when you are in the military. That’s because if the military is goimg to do its job properly then soldiers HAVE to obey orders without question. In a combat situation there is no time to explain an order. The only order a soldier can question or legally refuse to obey is an unlawful order, an order that instructs you to do something you know the law prohibits.
          The military is NOT an unconstitutional part of the government. It’s existence is assumed and providing for it is authorized in the Constitution when it uses the militia.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        mark HELLO Mr Raub was posting as a civilian not a member of the military. He had been discharged from the military (I read somewhere he had been out for two years). The military rules DO NOT apply here.

      • DaveH

        mark says — “Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Guatemala, etc about being “disappeared.”
        The biggest purges in history have been at the hands of Socialists, mark. You are a Socialist aren’t you?
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

      • DaveH

        Daniel say — “The military is NOT an unconstitutional part of the government. It’s existence is assumed and providing for it is authorized in the Constitution when it uses the militia”.
        Now why would you equivocate like that, Daniel? You obviously know what the Constitution says or you wouldn’t have added the “when it uses the militia”.
        From the Constitution, Article I, Section 8 :
        “The Congress shall have Power … To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years”.
        https://www.cato.org/constitution/article1_en.html

  • ALVIS JENKINS

    The Miranda warning, DON”T post your comments on Facebook. This is where the Government gets info on you.
    If you’re fired up, then be ready to fire up that device you have in hand when the Gestapo comes knocking, because the Gestapo will not be ordinary Americans.

    • mark

      When you are a government-paid, federal employee like Brandon Raub was, and you publicly accuse the same government that is paying you of criminal activity without proof, you have to expect that there will be consequences to this – like being questioned, evalutated (since you are an armed employee of the federal goverment and a trained killer), and then fired. This does not take away your freedom of speech. If you work for IBM and then go on Facebook and accuse IBM of criminal activity without any actual proof – just some nonsense you found on the internet – IBM executives with their security guards are going to call you into an office, question you, and perhaps call the local police to arrest you for harassing them and filing a false criminal report against them, for instance. Then you will get fired. You still have your freedom of speech. You can still go on Facebook and condemn IBM everyday until the cows come home. But you are no longer going to work for IBM despite your past record of good service there. Surprise, surprise. I don’t see the story here?

      • Bev

        You don’t see the story because you’re too busy swilling the kool-aid. Give it a rest. Wake up and see what is going on around you.

      • Gordon

        once again you missed the entire point. HE was never officially charged with anything, yet his Constitutional Rights were taken from him without any due process at all. Pretty much every one of his rights, just name them: 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th, ah shoot, you just look them up you obviously need the education.

      • eddie47d

        You think repeating your comment will make YOU any smarter Gordon? Sorry you failed!

      • Frank

        AH MARK THE LOST ONE

        Maybe, just Maybe some here on this blog are not VETERANS, but I am. I served 4 years during Vietnam and 4 more years in the 80′s. I find your statements about the military to be very insiduous. You put the most extreme spin on actions in your earlier post.

        Yes, by definition, insighting a group of fellow soldiers to undermine the LEGAL military authority is called Mutiny and under extreme circumstances (usually during war or military actions) it can carry the death penalty. I would like it if you can cite any time when the death penalty was used outside of war or military policing actions.

        However, if you don’t insite sedition with a group of your fellow service members, you have not only the right but the obligation to question orders that appear to be illegal.

        While living in the barrackss, someone missappropriated (stole) some 50cal machine gun ammunition. During the subsequent search of the barracks, my room (a two man room) was searched. I was allowed to be present and witness the search, which was done according to propper procedures. My room mate was a suspect so it was his locker that was searched in a methodical fashion, not just throwing everything all over the place. Since I was not a suspect in the theft, none of my possessions was searched.

        You may not like it but all members of the military come under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Because of the nature of the job, there are some liberties that are not allowed in the name of security. You might say that our right to freedom from unreasonable search and seizure is taken away but that is not true by definition. If you read the sign posted at the gates of all military reservations you will see the statement
        “You are subject to search at all times while on this installation.” That warning gives them the right to search, not only members of the military but, everyone including civilians that are on the base.

        Now to the racist accusations about the military.

        I have researched the history of blacks in the U.S. military. I know that the best fighter escort for the bombing missions in WWII were the Tuskege airment (black fighter pilots). Yes, they were discriminated against in that they were a segregated unit of the Airforce, but they were appreciated and honored by the “white” bomber crews whos lives they protected.

        One of the things that burns me up is when someone pulls crap out of the distant past to prove a current point. I am sure that there may still be artificial roadblocks put in place to make it more difficult for minorities, including women, to attain the highest ranks in our military. I am also aware, by personal experience, of the apparent application of equal rights legislation on the current treatment of minorities in the military. I never witnessed any racist behaviour against minorities by the people in charge of the military in the 8 years I served. I did however note obvious racist attitudes and behaviours by some minority people. In one occassion on the base I was stationed at in Guam during Vietnam I observed a group of about 10 black men (that is what they wanted to be called at that time) give the Black Power (fist raised) salute to the U.S. flag during retreat (lowering of the flag). Although I am aware that this is considered a form of freedom of speach, it is also a sign of disrespect and illegal under the laws of our country which require military personal who are in uniform to salute (in accepted military fashion) the flag when it is raised or lowered.

        Is our military totalitarian? NO, not really, it is goverened by laws that are in place to ensure the successful operation of our military. If you violate a military law you have all the rights you have in civilian life, such as legal representation by JAG (for free) and trial by your peers. If it was truly totalitarian they would just lock you up for as long as they want and you would have no recourse to the legal system. If you commit a minor offense by breaking a rule (misdemeanor) you will receive non-judicial punishment (article 15 of the UCMJ), this will include KP duties or other physical tasks. Even an article 15 can be appealed and taken to formal charges if you want a courts martial instead. However, if you take the courts martial you risk greater punishment like loss of pay or even loss of rank.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “You think repeating your comment will make YOU any smarter Gordon? Sorry you failed!”

        Nope you fail eddie. Gordon was just responding to a repeat incorrect post by mark so a repeat response is in order.

        • Daniel from TN

          Here’s another point you missed. Raub had already been discharged when the comments were posted on Facebook. He was no longer a government employee at that time.

          America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

      • DaveH

        mark says,
        “When you are a government-paid, federal employee like Brandon Raub was, and you publicly accuse the same government that is paying you of criminal activity without proof, you have to expect that there will be consequences to this”.
        So, in other words, don’t sell your soul to the devil?
        You work for the Government, don’t you Mark?

        • Daniel from TN

          Please pay attention to details. Raub was discharged for several months BEFORE he posted his comments. Your argument would only have some validity if he had posted it while still in the military.

          America or obama in November! You can’t have both!

    • El Love

      so agree — Facebook, Google, Yahoo and others (AOL now owned by Huffnstuffpo) – are going to become (if not fully yet) a source of the government gaining info and spying on you — Nazi style – if this joke of a purple lipped Muslim Amateur stays in office. Cling to your guns and bible because the only way they will take them away from us is civil war (which is seems our dear leader and government are preparing for…..). We can only hope barry goes the way of other tryanical despots

  • Christopher Romero

    No, I don’t think it is the end of the time for America, unless we turn our heads to the other side and ignore what the top four head bananas in Washington in partnership with some members of the disgraceful Senate and Congress are trying to do to destroy our Country, trying to change our system of government for a Socialist/Communist System, like Cuba, Venezuela, China. Remember that this next election it is about GOD. Think about it, if you believe in GOD, don’t vote for any one who brakes even one single word of GOD.
    Stealing
    Abortion
    Lying
    Same sex union
    Freedom of speech
    Taking GOD away from our schools and graduation ceremonies

    Your vote can make a difference.

    • Gordon

      You said “Remember that this next election it is about GOD. Think about it, if you believe in GOD, don’t vote for any one who brakes (sic) even one single word of GOD.” Well Chris, Mormons do NOT believe the very first founding principle of Christianity in that Jesus Christ IS GOD.

      • Gordon

        By the way, the term “Son of God” is understood in Hebrew text to mean something entirely different than the modern day church hereseys of Christ and Trinity. That is a couple of the main reasons that Jews have a real difficult time dealing with “christians” who try to preach to them. The “christ” of the modern heretical church could not possibly be their messiah. Christianity cannot be understood without a thorough understanding of the Jewish culture and religion. I am not going to turn this into a book, so I will stop here.

  • DOJ a Criminal Enterprise

    Very much like Gestapo and SS tactics used by another vicious dictator in the late 30s and first half of the ’49s. The Obozo administraton and his joke of a criminal Attorney General and all the rest of his radical cabinet stooges has adopted Hitler’s tactics. And, folks, they’re coming after your guns, or maybe they’ll just let the UN come and take your guns. That way Obozo can blame someone else again for his abject and monumental failures.

    But what do I know, I’m one of those filthy, rotten Americans identified by Obummer who clings to my guns and religion….

    • Gordon

      Helles Bells. More and more I wish that I could live on 10,000 acres in the middle of no where and ignore the entire national events…… but patriotism disallows that.

      • http://none Charlie

        Gordon,,,don’t forget “They” have spy in the sky ,,,better buy a submarine,,,better yet………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • CBUETT

    To tell you what kind of Leftwing Stiff Robert Smith is; an article came out telling of how a American Citizen was kidnapped from his home by federal agents and local police; committed to a mental hospital, away from his family for exercising his 1st amendment right to free speech. And Robert Smith cant even say how horrible and despicable it is because A. it happened to a Marine, and B. it was a article on this website.

    • eddie47d

      Robert had no obligation to be for or against anything in this article so why are you assuming that? Raub may be as innocent as a new born baby but he also could have had ulterior motives. The Ft Hood shooter was a military official and a citizen yet few if any questioned him. You assume too much CBUETT.

      • DaveH

        Unless viewed in the light of Trolldom, Eddie, you make no sense.

      • eddie47d

        What’s the matter Dave did you leave your thought process in your sock!

  • Fedup!

    How much real terrorism is there when our people have enought time to fiddle with this BS??

    • Gordon

      You are correct. I think I’ll cancel my newsletters.

    • SJJolly

      Amen.. Our national anti-terrorist organizations are akin to using elephants to hunt mice.

    • http://none Charlie

      Fedup ,,,good one . ha ha ha … most have no job,,,BUT,,,should spend more time Praying
      Matthew 6:9—13… Then…………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Daniel from TN

    The government has now admitted there were no grounds to take Raub into custody. Raub now has grounds for a lawsuit which will probably be settled out of court. Here’s an interesting question. Since there were no grounds for taking him into cutody, can those officers be charged with kidnapping?

    America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

    • SJJolly

      Daniel: Do you think things were different under GW Bush? Or will be different under Mitt Romney? Some national policies are beyond the control of the occupant of the Oval Office.

      • Daniel from TN

        You have a good point. I do not doubt this type of unlawful activity has occured for decades. What I am wondering is, since the governemnt has now publicly admitted its actions in Raub’s situation were unlawful, can the officers involved be charged with kidnapping. After all, their conduct falls WELL outside the “faithful performance” requirement stated in many state and federal laws.

    • DaveH

      Haven’t you heard, Daniel, that it’s okay for Government people to break the laws?

  • http://www.dauntlesspost.com douglas dauntless

    Now we see what that great Traitor John McCain and his Traitor pals in the Senate passed as a law. You can be draged from your home for any reson the Communist Government sees fit. Freedom of Speech aganist the Communist Government run by Obama and his gang. Or anything else that the Obama deems. Look out the G might want to put you away if you don’t for Obama in Nov. Hey I forgot to mention the Other Traitor, McCains friend Joe Libbermen, he had the add on law tacked on to McCain’s.

  • northbrook

    Likely to be repeated if Obama is re-elected

  • skippy

    I believe the real story here is….now, his right to own a gun will be taken away. He was confined to a ‘mental hospital’. That’s the “new wave” that the left has begun. Any veteran that claims PTSD is not able to own a gun!

    • Daniel from TN

      “Confined to a mental hospital” only applies if you are confined for treatment of a diagnosed mental problem. PTSD IS a recognized mental illness. Raub was only evaluated and then released, albeit by court order, because there was no diagnosis of any mental illness. On a gun permit/sales application the question looks similar to this – “Have you ever been confined to a mental hospital, or similar facility, for the treatment of a diagnosed mental illness or disorder?” Some applications even include the words “Confinement for the purpose of observation/evaluation of suspected mental illness that did produce a diagnosis of that illness does not apply.” This means if Raub wants a firearm, then he cannot be denied one on the basis of what happened to him these past days.

      America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

  • SJJolly

    I really have to laugh at some commentors calling BH Obama “narcisissticly delusional.” Pots calling the kettle black.

  • Riki

    They implanted neuro transmitter device and put cameras in his eyes to monitor him in case he goes postal ;)

  • Riki

    Skippy you are wrong. I own one legally and I have PTSD ;)

    • Vicki

      He is not as far wrong as you would imply.
      http://www.jaapl.org/content/35/3/330.full

      • DaveH

        One of the questions in California to obtain a handgun permit was “Are you currently under a restraining order?”. If you know anything about restraining orders, the courts issue them to ex’s like candy with little or no proof of wrong doing by the ex.

  • Tunaman

    FOLKS IT IS TIME TO PRAY TO THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR! “GOD” THRU HIS SON “JESUS CHRIST” DIED ON THE CROSS FOR EVERYONE’S SINS AND PROMISED FORGIVENESS TO ALL WHO RENOUNCE SIN AND ACCEPT FORGIVNESS THROUGH HIS SHED BLOOD! “JESUS CHRRIST” IS COMING AGAIN, BE READY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Paloma.Falomir Lydia Paloma Cagle-Falomir

    911 was not an inside job. That is just insane and ridiculous. Laden was way to proud of himself and his insane followers.. This guy is allowed to say what he wants. Its better to check these extremist out than to ignore it and then everyone is angry for the FBI not doing more,, either way the Secret service/FBI are going to be crucified..

  • RevNowWhileWeCan
  • http://personallibertydigest deb

    He is not someone who had the power or authority to start a revolution. He had as far as reported not threatened to do so, just thought like I think that it might take a revolution to remove the government that is for the government that should be. Someone should interview the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield Police Department people who participated in that farce and see if they didn’t feel a wee bit uncomfortable with what they were doing, and who ordered him incarcerated to begin with, and were there any other posts made to any groups that could start a revolution. Or did they fear he might Rambo them.

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  • rachel

    Civil Rights lawsuit! Take the Feds to court, Brandon and make them pay through the teeth. Those would be well spent taxdollars for a change.

  • Nancy

    I would like to thank Brandon and all of those fighting for our rights! Not a day goes by I don’t miss my dear ole Dad who was an 82nd Airborne Korea ! But I must say had he survived until now he would’ve died from a broken heart instead of cancer!
    We must all be willing to stand up and be heard!
    Out with Obama for starters!!
    God Bless America!

    • Daniel from TN

      America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

  • http://Hotmail,Facebook Jerry Verdugo

    Did anyone find out if he violated the law? If no, then all this talk is for NOTHING!

    • DaveH

      Did you read the article?

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  • http://Yahoo George

    The ” POWERS(?)” only THINK they can control us Patriots! Thinking people do not FEAR! We obtain information, then we STRIKE. We go to the COURTS! If we fail there we go to the COURTS AGAIN!!
    The “AMERICAN SPIRIT” has shown the world that puny controllers are just THAT!!
    Somewhere, back in the faulted “training” the false premises were instructed to the minions.
    We Patriots are the “Instructors”. WE, I’m REPEATING, WE are the POWER in AMERICA. The controllers only have a place around the table unless WE grant them a chair!
    Some, in the past, who have come from another country and “slithered” into our midst, are very soon going to learn that their faulty “training” will embarrass themselves and their “trainers before the World.
    Have a good trip as you return from wherever you came from.
    Good Riddance!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/philip.beck.982 Philip Beck

    I can’t grasp why so many otherwise hinged Americans can become so un-hinged when it comes to what happened on 9-11-01. Islamofascist dead-enders all whipped up into suicidal frenzy by Osama bin Laden and his butt-buddies planed and carried out the worst deadly attack on mainland USA. The terrorists used liberal civil rights laws for cover and they will never be able to do it again. There is absolutely no way that this could have been an inside job. The people involved in the “inside job” would never be able to keep it a secret. It is the Muslim world that is the threat to the security of our soldiers and our non-military citizens. Political correctness will destroy this nation, but 9/11 was a Muslim project.

    Qur’an 8:59
    “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us.
    Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster
    so that you may terrorize them.”

    Are there any questions regarding their motives? I would hope not.

    • Daniel from TN

      You raise a valid point. If it 9/11 was an inside job then the ones who planned it would WANT others to know it. If for no other reason then they would want the bragging rights.

      America or obama this November! You can’t have both!

  • DaveH
  • Gman68137

    I’m glad to see he was freed. but…

    So where is the accountability here against the illegal and unconstitutional actions by the police and FBI agents involved with this. They need to be arrested and charged for civil rights violations. People should be screaming to their Congressmen and local representatives for accountability here. As long as faceless bureaucrats can hide behind the faceless front of “gov’t”, these types of acts will continue.

    • http://Hotmail,Facebook Jerry Verdugo

      You don’t “arrest” FBI, police, whatever. If you have a serious problem, take them to court. Duh!

  • http://twitter.com/therighttofight macktheknife (@therighttofight)

    Wasn’t the former USSR (soviet Union) the master in this ? Using psychiatric institutions as a way of shutting up people who disagree with those in power … Somebody read Thomas Szasz’ ‘ Psychiatry is a lie ‘ well it was always a tool for those in power.

    • http://Hotmail,Facebook Jerry Verdugo

      He wasn’t sent to the “funny farm!” This is still the greatest country in the world!

  • bdwatcher

    I just found this website today. I used to listen to infowars and like stations and found them to be a little more extreme for my conservative thoughts. I will have to admit, many of what I thought was extreme seems to have been found real. Maneuvers with foreign military, check points, tsa outside of airports, training exercises in major cities with military, black ops, FEMA renovations of their facilities… It sure makes me wonder…. Knowledge is power. I have been reading, researching for the last several years and there is surely more going on than what 99% (smile) of the population is aware. Sometimes I don’t know if I am connecting the dots or the connections are already there and I just find the dots. Too much is interconnected, related to not conclude to massive take over of the US, the world with NWO, World Bank, Agenda 21.. etc..Perhaps I am a belligerant? I still believe in God and a Christian. The latest is Obama taking the chair as the Head of the UN Security Council? Little has been said of this or even if it is Constitutional… What is going on?

  • kellys

    obamney 2012 No hope for change

  • Benny

    This is our new Communist Government under Obama , they want everyone under Gov. control , our freedom and rights are being taken away, who will be next to have the FBI , secret service and local police coming to your home and taking you away for saying what you believe and know to be the truth ??????? but our present so called president and Dems. , liberals don`t like the truth. Its time We the people stand up and FIGHT this communist Gov. and STOP their fear tacits and un – necessary actions . We have rights and freedom of speach under the Constutition which is still the law of America.
    SPEAK out and have NO fear, This has to STOP NOW.

  • bdwatcher

    I posted this as a reply above, but I think I should post it as a new post…

    We can NEVER, I mean NEVER presuppose to give away our liberties or someone elses in the name of fear. Because Raub “might” be a mass murder is not any reason for him to lose his rights. Your permission to arrest, incarcerate anyone in a mental institute then could be anyone, including you. Because ( I assume) you wouldn’t be a mass murderer and abhore this scenerio does not mean you can not can not be arrested, incarcerated and possibly medicated with mind altering meds? Since the laws, or the accepted permissions of them, are acted upon equally, where does it stop? As NDAA surmises, terrorists, associated terrorists, terrorist organizations, support of terrorist organizations all the way down to a Belligerant…. Hmmm… In the court case NOW, the govt could not give a scenerio of enforcing (or not) charges of belligerance..govt even stated no scenerio which would keep reporters, journalists from indefinite detention doing their 1st Amendment rights. And, agreed the three who brought the suit would not lose their constitutional rights, but no one else in the US or the world. So, this slippery slope is possibly a mass murderer all the way down to dissent? Make no bones about it, Govt assumes permissions and rights to do all unless it is expressly prohibited by law.. then it will attempt to circumvent if nothing is said. Lack of action is the same as submission as omission of the truth is the same as a lie.

  • kathie

    Please America believe this Obama is a very dangerous man. People in this country are willing to re-elect him because they think he is a nice guy. Doesn’t competence have anything to do with it anymore. I am a senior and when I was a teenager, my dad had a man working for him who drove the equipment that shoved all of those poor soul’s bodies of the Holocaust into those mass graves. He never got over that horror. Obama is such a weak self-serving man who will lie, cheat and deprive us of our rights one-by-one.when he gets in. It is all about “executive order”. He will use it because HE CAN. PLEASE WAKE UP!!

  • http://yahoo.com justjim65

    Some very good posts on here today,.
    And many of the I agree with.
    THE SAD PART? Our Repub. convention did not even mention that we have an illegal president, who was never vetted.
    AND CONGRESS IS A TOTAL DISGRACE, DOWN TO THE LAST MAN AND WOMAN.

    THEY DESERVE TO BE TRIED FOR TREASON TO ALLOW THIS GARBAGE TO CONTINUE.
    Ex. orders allowing some one to be jailed, no proof, no charge, just because some thug with a badge and gun does not like what he or she said on a blog or social site, like face book?

    The USA has become pre war two germany and its getting worse.

  • Charlie

    I think for the great majority of the American People our Constitution and the rule of law still remains paramount. We are witnessing and tolerating things thus far. Passivity only encourages further action. But, IF things come to “push and shove”, and sadly i think they will…you’ll see what the American People are really made of! Just like Admiral Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor. “I fear we have awoken a sleeping giant”. He knew this. He attended a University here in the States long enough to come to know our culture. The Emporer and others wanted to also attack the US on land…he advised against it. His words were, “they would be shooting at us from behind EVERY blade of grass”! That was true then and i’m sure that is true now. The American People will prevail from enemys foreign AND especially from the treasonous BASTARDS from within!

  • gemmom

    Why should he have been arrested for saying it was an inside job? A Muslim straight from a Mosque told me it was, right after it happened….and I didn’t believe him….at first. It took me all this time and doing research to finally decide it is possible. I do not feel it is treason to say it was an inside job when it happened on American soil. I do not think anyone was referring to the President when they said it. The only ones who will be threatened by this are those who were a part of it, who have been privileged to have alot of information concerning our national security. I do believe there is someone who does plan to take the U.S. down, who is foreign from across the ocean, yet who now lives here, who hates Jews and Christians. Read “Revelation” of the Old Testament.

  • Rick Heaton

    I think it would be helpful if everyone would look up Agenda 21. It is about the UN Sustainable Development. Then look at the Nat’l Defense Authorization Act. Also Obama has EO13575. These are all laws that are in place. I don’t believe many people have heard of them, but any source you use to research them should be very enlightening.

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