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The Dems Went Down To Charlotte

September 8, 2012 by  



 
They were looking for some votes to steal. They were in a bind; Obama’s way behind. But they’re not willing to make any deals. Presented in 1080 hi-def, FOR FREE! It’s The Great Eight, from the Personal Liberty Digest™!

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Jason

    What is really funny is both parties are trying to lose! lol

    • http://thecyberscribe.wordpress.com The Cyber Scribe

      Really…nether wants to inherit the bad economy in 2012! I think the RNC wants the DNC to take the fall for it. lol

      • Steve Jones

        Poor Obama, What a mess he is going to inherit if he wins re-election. OK, I admit I stole it.

      • http:usidiawiagina.wordpress.com UsidiAwiagina

        Steve Jones,
        Poor Obummer…What A Joke, The Good for Nothing Bum :X
        Nothing on you, Calling It Like I See It.

        • Steve Jones

          Hey man, My apologies, I was being sarcastic. I totally blame Obama for his economic failures. He is responsible for the mess he will inherit if, God forbid, he is re-elected. I find it ironic that he is still blaming Bush.

          • Do

            If Obama thinks he is smart, wisdom, intelligence and YES HE CAN. Needs to show out and stop to blame to someone else.
            Obama is NATO means (NO ACTION TALK ONLY)

          • http:usidiawiagina.wordpress.com UsidiAwiagina

            I hear that…It is ” Pretty Ironic ” that Scum Bum is still Blaming Bush…And for what…What he has put on ” The Peoples “. BUM :X

      • johnc

        The economy is in a shambles Obama and his policies have really done nothing to improve the Unemployment situation for 43 months above 8% he has increased the national debt by 5 trillion all on his own in his first term which has caused some of the massive budget deficits of over 1 Trillion each of his 4 years already and it looks to get worse when finally the Affordable Care act kicks in (Obama Care) It is really scary that maybe the problems can not be solved even if we re-elect Obama his track record is not that good..So why not give someone else a shot…This train wreck was going to happen anyway but what we need as a president is someone who will focus on the problem and not pass the blame…there is plenty of blame to Go around for both parties

      • http://firefox wog1

        Steve Jones: Yes, Obama wants to inherit the mess. After all he created it. But then think again he can always blame Bush. I believe Bush tried to destroy America after all he is a progressive and unlike Obama was not enrolled as a Democrat so he had to be more sly.

      • TIME

        Dear TCS,

        The question is:
        Does the dog wag its tail, or is it the tail wags the dog?

        If thats not clear then perhaps this may help;
        If you have a {single solid coin} are there really have two sides if its solid?
        Or is it really just a single coin with two slightly differant themes, yet both themes are of the same thread?

        Is an Iron Fist really – differant from an Iron fist with a velvet glove?

        Google the following: Understaning the nine viels

        Good Luck,;-)

        Peace and Love

      • http://mozilla robert e. lee

        since dems owned the legislative branch from 2007-2010; they got every spending bill they wanted passed to obimbo to sign;; why would you have a problem with the dems owning the mess??????

      • Vigilant

        On a lark, I humored TIME and did Google “Understanding the Nine Veils.” It certainly explained a lot about TIME’s psyche.

        Sample: “The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil.”

        OK……

        Can there be any doubt about the insane gullibility of TIME?

        BTW, TIME, you’ll not get approval from GALT on that one. The “veils” lead to God, according to that website’s waste of bandwidth. GALT’s an atheist.

      • Vigilant

        P.S. I have to change my opinion of TIME. He’s not just stupid and gullible, he’s in dire need of psychiatric help. We should pity him.

      • TIME

        Oh Dear V less,

        Yet agin your sheepness is clearly visible, but I forgive your aggressive ignorance, yet again.
        Perhaps someday you will open your eyes, or let your ears hear.
        As it stands your but a two dimension droid being little more than a simple unit of in and out.
        Thus totaly lacking any ability to expand beyond your {tight closed little mind} – thinking in a Small BOX.

        ** For anyone who can deal with “PURE LOGIC” when your trun off your TV or Radio is the FEED no longer there?
        How about when your phone is not in use, are there no others in the same space with you using a phone?
        Can you see them?
        Can your hear them? So are they not there if you can’t see or hear them?

        When you can grasp the concept – then you can move forward.
        There are far more venues than your “PRE – PROGRAMED” preceptions allow you to see or hear let alone understand.
        Thus if you stay in a one or two dimention platform of thinking, you can never advance to a higher level’s of Comprehension, Now can you?
        Thus you stay bogged down in the mud that you yourself create as you’re own “Comfort Zone.”

        To understand that you have been “PRE Programed” to think and act as well to respond to your programed Dogmas / Doctrines that have been installed by years of programing / schooling / education.
        Really its no differant than adding softwear to your computer so in fact when you hold back your own ability to EXPAND your views / Horizons by closing off your God Given Gifts.

        You have the ability to remove this softwear as per whats noted as your GOD given gift of “FREE WILL” or one can stay in the “PRISON” that you have been “INDOCTRINATED” into by man.

        Your choice, what will you do?

        Questions;

        If you don’t water a plant what happens?
        If you don’t place gas in your car will it keep going?
        If you stop eating will you still be alive in 3 months?

        Your SOUL will never die unless you allow it to, that only happens when you allow MAN to control you, rather than follow the Christ’s word.

        Your GOD given gift’s being many things but the two that have the most benifit to you’re overall well being are.
        Your SOUL and your Gray Matter of what both allow you to learn and prosper let alone garrner Complete LOVE from the Christ.

        Your Choice what will you choose to live in Ignorance and trash your GIFTS given to you by GOD. Or expand, progress as well learn Wisdom as GOD wanted you to do with these Beautiful gifts.

        Live FREE or Not, thats the simple question you must all ask yourself. Is the freedom living in a small box really freedom?
        Is the thinking of a small mind really freedom?
        Are you really alive if you stay in a small box?

        Will you praise Amun Ra? Or the Christ with a simple THANK YOU for his LOVE?
        As every time you say “Amen” you are in fact doing the first of the two noted above, where do you think all the words used today came from? A scrap book of Fun words?
        Nothing ever is with out some form Ritual as in Good V Evil.

        Do you really think that the Christ was born on Yule week?
        Or the month of Anything Goes, such as rape muder, etc?
        Or the month of Fertility?
        Or the REBIRTH of the SUN day Decmember 25th when the SUN starts it move forward to the North sky again?

        Do you really belive that Pass Over is what you have been PRE PROGRAMED to think it is? Or that it is in fact when the SUN pass’s over the Equator on its journey north?
        Or that Easter is really anything other than 3 days of NISSAN?
        Or that the Sabbath is really the 1st day of the week, thus giving praise to Lucifer the Prince of the first light – the “SUN-DAY?”

        Or is the Sabbath really Saturday as it is in over 105 languages?
        Saturday is also Known as the day we give THANKS to our Creator.

        Really learn the TRUTH for yourself, not for others, as the collective can not be saved as a whole.

        But your SOUL can only be saved by {your ACTIONS alone.}

        What will you do?

        I Thank you Christ for the LOVE you bestow on me, may your light of “PURE LOVE SHINE” on others to aid them in waking from the coma they live in.
        Dear Christ I beg you Bless and Forgive all humans no matter what level or depth of Ignorance they now exist within.

        Peace and Love ;-)

        PS: Yes V less, I am Crazy like a FOX!
        I live in a form of pure Joy & Love with no hate in my soul nor heart. Again I forgive you for your ignorance, I pray that the message of PURE LOVE and Peace will someday crack even your shell of hate and fear. Good on ya! :-)

      • Vigilant

        And all this from a person who probably dotes on Art Bell reruns.

        I rest my case.

      • Karolyn

        Vigilant – A closed mind is such a sad thing. How do you know what TIME posted isn’t true? How do you know what you believe IS true? Nobody REALLY knows, and that’s where an open mind comes in.

      • Vigilant

        Karolyn, you are absolutely free to believe whatever you want.

        But if you believe, as TIME does, that “the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil,” then I believe you too need help.

        Psychotic people create their own reality, often drastically at odds with the world within which we operate. TIME appears to be such a person.

        Can you imagine anyone who values their reputation getting up in a town hall meeting and spouting nonsense about lizards, dragons and other monsters in control of government? Those kinds of people are put away in institutions.

      • Karolyn

        As I said, Vig, open mind. What do we really know but that was taught to us over the years by society. I do not necessarily believe what TIME does; however, I discount nothing. It’s a big Universe; and then when you conside quantum physics, it gets even bigger.

      • phideaux

        “As I said, Vig, open mind.”

        The problem is Karolyn a person who has a mind as open as you claim yours is looses more than they gain.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said Time. People need to understand that when we stray from doing things God’s way, bad things tend to happen. Our COOTUS is so lost in mind, he said the recession officially ended in August 2009. Really? I can’t see any real improvements since Obama bin Laden has taken office, has anyone?

        It is the duty of nations as well as of men to owe their dependence on the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow.”

        Abraham Lincoln

        Our nation and our people hava been failing to do this for a while now. We need to get back to the ways of our Christian founding and Christian founding fathers.

        “Providence (GOD) has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty, as well as the priviledge and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

        John Jay

        “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be greatful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

        George Washington

        “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.”

        Ronald Reagan

        They got it right, so why can’t the government and our leaders get it right these days? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Smilee

        Steve Jones says:
        September 8, 2012 at 2:48 am

        You left out the filibusters by the republicans that blocked most bills getting to Obama’s desk as they were never passed because of the GOP control over the final vote. In today’s world it takes 60 votes to get everything you want and the democrats failed over 70 times in this time span even though they were in the majority because of the GOP obstruction tactics. For 6 months they had that super majority and it was then that Obamacare was passed, remember Franken from MN coming 6 months late because of the recount and then Brown coming in 6 months after that and removed the super majority. Sorry they did not get everything they wanted as you so wrongly infer.

      • Smilee

        samurai says:
        September 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm

        Well said Time. People need to understand that when we stray from doing things God’s way, bad things tend to happen. Our COOTUS is so lost in mind, he said the recession officially ended in August 2009. Really? I can’t see any real improvements since Obama bin Laden has taken office, has anyone?

        WE UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEW AS WE KNOW BLIND PEOPLE CANNOT SEE! The loss of 800 thousand jobs per month to a positive number of 100,000 or more per month for 30 consecutive months to name just one of the many you ignore. These are facts Sammie and I know that facts and the truth is something you always deny but never the less they are true. IT WAS THE ECONOMISTS THAT SAID THAT AND HE ONLY QUOTED THEM AND I SUSPECT THEY KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU DO.

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong, wrong, wrong smilee. Need to look at this about unemployment and the real numbers. Since you talk about losing 800, 000 jobs a month from September 2008 – December 2008, that would be 3.2 million jobs, thanks to Fannie, Freddie, and the libs for creating the housing industry bubble. But alas! Obama bin Laden has not improved this situation, but has added on to the unemployment numbers, food stamp rolls, and welfare rolls, never lifting a finger to help.

        http://www.breibart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/08/Real-Unemployment-Now-19

        There are many unfavorable facts about Obama bin Laden and his administration on it. But alas! You will fail to understand. Here is what all Americans need to do and remember.

        “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

        2 Chronicles 7:14

        “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.”

        Psalms 33:12

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • Smilee

          Sammie I guess you think gaining a 100,000 jobs per month is worse that losing 800,000 jobs per month, first your math is all skewed and second you totally do not understand the situation

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong, wrong, wrong smilee. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Where do you see us gaining 100,000 more jobs a month? Since you have no facts or sources it seems that your math is fuzzy math. Need to check this out.

        http://www.lifenews.com/2012/09/12/obama-bounce-gone-poll-shows-presidential-race-now-tied/

        Looks like Obama bin Laden has lost the edge. Must be because of our sucky economy and the jobs picture. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of country to be a patriot.

        • Smilee

          Sammie, again you deny the truth, I’ll pray for you!

      • http://naver samurai

        This coming from someone with no credibility on this board smilee? This coming from someone who accuses someone of lying, even when they quote the Word of God? I don’t know who you pray to, but it isn’t God and Jesus.

        “For evil doers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
        For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
        But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”

        Psalms 37: 9 – 11

        This means that soon you will be cut off and not inherit the earth, for you are neither meek nor are you a child of God. Here is something about your “messiah” in Washington, D. C.

        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/7028/president-supports-islam-but-has-repeatedly-trashed-christianity/

        Sheesh! When wil you and your ilk ever learn? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • Smilee

          Careful Sammie, Judge not least you be judged. God gave no one the authority to do what you so often do here and that is to judge the hearts of another. You have gone way over the line here. Liars can quote the bible and often do, quoting the bible has nothing to do with lying, telling the truth does and you have often be caught and proven to not tell the truth.

          • sam1966

            Quoting the Bible is not a lie. Though it is true that even satan would quote scripture, if it was for his own benefit, but you have not proven me to be a liar. This coming from someone with no credibility on this site? This is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. By you calling others liars, trashing our Christian founding, degrading people on this site, and your arrogance, we both know who the liar is on this site. And it sure isn’t me.

            “One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is part of the Common Law. There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations. I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society.”

            Joseph Story, SCOTUS Court Justice

            “Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe (GOD).

            James Madison

            This means that you and your ilk can never be considered part of our or any civil society on this earth. Sorry smilee, but you just can’t lie good enough for me, or anyone else, to believe you. Do not answer this post if all you are going to do is lie, use rhetoric, innuendo, spew hate, rant, and show just how ignorant and arrogant you truly are. Though myself calling you ignorant and arrogant may not be the right way according to the Lord God Almighty, be he also knows that if the shoe fits, wear it. I’m glad I can earnestly pray for forgiveness. We have a family every day and ask and thank God for the many things He has done for us. But alas! You like about your faith as much as Obama bin Laden lies about his. Here is something else about your “messiah.”

            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2012/09/obama-admin-disgards-law-new-policies-releases-illegals-into-us-population/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Smilee

            Sammie, it is you whom has proven yourself a liar not me, it was not me who did not tell the truth that was you and your so deep in denial of it that one must wonder if you are even aware of so much of what you spew out here is not true. You are not my God and you will not and can not determine if I am a Christian and neither can you determine that Obama is not either. The real God and oneself can only know that, many whom claim to be followers of Christ will not be known to him in the judgement and that is why I believe he said Judge not least you be judged. Quit playing God, Sammie. Your rhetoric is getting too toxic too. Is that the behavior of a real Christian??

      • sam1966

        SSDD, eh smilee? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Old Henry

      That may be good news for Gary Johnson.

      • http://mozilla robert e. lee

        gary johnson voters equal obama voters ;;;;;;;;;good thinking ;;you people have no long term planning abilities.

      • boyscout

        Yes Henry, we are stupid dupes and should relish the name calling coming our way. To foolishly cast a vote for real change in stead of the flip side of what has proven to fail must be inane as it couldn’t possibly send a message to anyone. Oh, Look.It’s a Rino !

      • Old Henry

        boyscout:

        People like robert are heavily propagandized.

        I posted this earlier this week.

        Why voting the lesser of two evils is wrong.
        Pragmatic voting always results in a downward trend in the quality of candidates.
        Politicians won’t change if they know we’ll vote for them anyway.
        Good candidates seldom receive the support they need to become viable.
        The problem of bad choices is thereby perpetuated, and the nation continues to deteriorate until the day when our choices will be an Adolf Hitler or a Joseph Stalin.

        That day may have arrived.

  • Do

    Dear,Americans..!

    Do you know the real Obama’s last name? his name is blame.
    because 4 years ago, Obama say ” Yes we can “. and after 4 years he can not and then he turns to blame someone else….hehehe…

    • Warrior

      Modern economists never imagined a scenario in which a country with as much wealth, power and innovation as United States could stretch out a jobs recession as long as the country has under Obama.

      Economists please meet Barack Hussein Obama, record-setter. More debt, more spending, more regulation than ever before- and fewer jobs.

      We have a record amount of money in the system doing a record amount of nothing right now. And still the government policy wonks keep thinking that by injecting more money into a system already over-burdened by its money supply we will eventually get different results.

      Only Obama could preside over an economy with so much money that has produced so little return as our economy has since January 2009.

      Clower-Piven at work. Collapse the system. Mr & Mrs “private sector”, meet your future under the control of the socialist democrapic party. This is as good as it gets with them kids. And the best part is they expect you to pay for all of it.

      You know in your heart what needs to be done in Nov. Identify and vote out every progressive and that in ALL likelyhood means NOT a single demonrat should receive your vote. Last chance.

      • bsg

        He’s right on track for what HE WANTS to do to America. Four more years and he’ll weaken us so the Muslim Bro’s can have a fair chance to take us out.

      • KG

        Why do you place so much blame on the President? What about a HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES co-opted by a bunch of Ayn Rand acolytes? How many people do you know on your local school board?

        “All politics is local.” Tip O’neal

      • eddie47d

        BGS is another goof ball with fairy dust between his ears. There is no grand plan for a Muslim take over but please feel free to peddle your poop.

      • Rosemary

        Warrior, can I have your permission to copy – paste part of your post?
        I want to put it my pack, I go bother the Progressives daily on the net. :}

      • Max “original old Blue” Boliek

        arrior, this was very well stated, wish you would post this on Facebook where at least 45% of Americans could see it. You never know maby you would hit a nerve in 10% and change their minds about the Anoited One and Vote against him.

      • Palin16

        edduh, go watch 2016 Obama and then tell me there is no Muslim plan for a takeover. I’ll give ya a little hint…why did Obummer tell the Russian president “I’ll have a little more flexability after my election”? Because as Obummer disarms the US, the Muslims and the commies will grow more powerful. Both of them hate capitalism.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t put so much faith in one sided propaganda movies Palin16. If you do then you have your own gullibility problem.

      • Palin16

        Fine, edduh…why don’t you explain to us what Obummer meant by “I’ll have more flexability after my election” regarding nuclear warheads.

      • Palin16

        edduh, I should also like to mention that a lot of the movie is Obama in his own words. “Dreams from my Father” is also available as an audio book with Obama reading his own autobiography. Some of that audio is used in the film. Others are videoclips like his meeting with the Russian president when he thought the mic was off. So that disproves your theory that it’s right wing propaganda and you haven’t even seen it so your opinion is baseless.

      • eddie47d

        I said “one sided propaganda” dufus if you can comprehend Pain 16. No wonder you are confused with all that making up your own stories. Now go run off and play!

      • Palin16

        I think it was JeffH that said edduh is the dumbest person who posts here. This proves it.

  • braxos

    Ben Crystal – what a loser you are. Your picture makes you look like the court jester. You should join a circus.

    • Die free

      typicla left nothing to say but name calling. Make fun of u instead of a replay that deals with the arrival. The left hard at work.

    • http://yahoo fred frye

      Typical idiot ,new world order, bankster hired hack comment, attack the messenger,not the message.

    • http://mozilla robert e. lee

      of shucks; just because he is smarter than you , you go liberal on him and dish out vitriolic slang

    • Ted

      Braxos – Don’t be so hard on old Benji. He’s more to be pitied than censured. He’s trying to be a good and funny political pundit. But his only source of information is the right wing blogosphere, so he bases his material upon allegations that have been proven false.

      Its not hard to get approval from people who agree with you already. The hard part is to change people’s minds. But that’s too hard for our Benji.

    • S.C.Murf

      My wife grew up on different circus’s, Carson and Barnes, Cardan and Johnson. When I met her she was getting ready to leave for the blue unit of Ringling Bros. Also from this relationship I have met a lot of entertainers from a lot of countries, very GOOD people, and I’m sure none would object to bringing on board Big Ben. You would even find a home I am sure, it would involve carrying a grain scoop and following the elephants but don’t worry they won’t care. A closed mind equals a dead heart

      up the hill
      airborne

    • sam1966

      The personal attack. Classic 5th colum strategy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • http://emariaenterprises.wordpress.com emariaenterprises

    I like :) They can dish it out, but can they take it. :)

    • http:usidiawiagina.wordpress.com UsidiAwiagina

      So, so True. :)

    • eddie47d

      So, So False!

  • adj

    Hey guys why dont you leave Obummer and his Commie Liberal to finnish the crap they started. You must try living in South Africa where the Commie Liberal goverment stll blame the previous white govement for the murders and thefts after nearly 20 years in power. they should blame Clinton and his cigar for all the crap the country is in and he is not doing a bad job in the USA by endorsing Mr Obummer

    • http://mozilla robert e. lee

      that’s what lib/blacks do. blame game is so tired, grow some and act like real men

      • KG

        Do you wash your white robes before burning the crosses or after?
        You guys lost. Get a clue.

    • eddie47d

      Well Robert Lee but no Robert E Lee then stop blaming gays for all your troubles,stop blaming blacks for all your troubles,stop blaming women for all your troubles,stop blaming Hispanics for all your troubles. Be a man and take responsibility for yourself and stop being so jealous of those who want an equal share of the American pie. Some folks just don’t want to be your step stool anymore. Yes it works both ways but I think you get the message.

      • Frank

        Ah, to take on the poster child for abortion, eddie47d.

        I read all the posts in this blog site. I have seen many many stupidly exagerated claims by both side of the fence here. Extremeism is bad no matter where it comes from. Ignorance is to be forgiven and assistance given to educate. Stupidity because of medical issues (mental illness) is to be tollerated. Stupidity by choice is to be condemed.

        No matter where you stand on the issues (and you rarely give us your personal stance), you need to avoid stereotyping (saying that everyone in a group is the same).

        With that said, I have seen a couple of participants blame women and blacks for these problems. And, by this I mean they said “blacks did this” or “women did this”, but the great majority here dont use this type of grouping.

        On the subject of welfare and abortions, it is not just a problem with women. It is a problem with people who dont take responsibility for their actions.
        on welfare: To say that women who make babies and neither want to care for them or provide for them is a problem is stating a fact. It is not unreasonable to expect them to pay for their children. The same is to be said for the men who were involved in making that baby.

        on abortion: The same holds true here. If a man and a woman get together for the pleasures of the body and engage in unprotected sex, which results in the woman getting pregnant, they have no right to say “OOPS WE MESSED UP SO WE HAVE TO KILL THAT THING INSIDE YOU”.

        These two common sense rules apply to everyone regardless of skin color, religion or ethnic background.

        Now to blacks. A touchy subject because so many missguided people blame racism on everything a person says that is against a minority.

        I have encountered at least as many black racists as I have white. I even met a black man that was very bigoted against Mexicans.

        I will speak the truth with no bigotry involved, just observations.

        In the military, I encountered many blacks who were extremely racist. I watched as they broke rules and got away with them just because it was considered unwise to reprimand them.

        I have been treated with disrespect by blacks in public places (either because I am an old man or because I am white).

        The vocal blacks always say that they get harsher prison sentences for comparable crimes of white people. Well I can not argue this point without knowing the specifics however, I can say that poor white people get harsher sentences than wealthy ones. So maybe it is a matter of economic standing that causes the criminal disparity and not strictly color of skin.

        I have had black people tell me that I owe them because my ancestors had thier ancestors as slaves (not true since my ancestors came from Germany after WWI).

        Now the examples I have given of the actioins of some black people shows that there is cause to dislike them. I am talking about the ones who do what I described, not all blacks.

        Now Hispanics. Not the correct word, they are Mexicans not hispanic anymore than blacks are African Americans. Where to start on the problems with Mexicans.

        We need to unwind the grouping here, not all Mexicans are illegal aliens, not all mexicans cheat the welfare system, not all Mexicans are criminals who sell drugs and kill people.

        It is a fact, or at least it was in the past, that many pregnant Mexican women come here illegally so that they can milk the U.S. welfare system by having a baby here making it a citizen. This gives them access to all the welfare system such as food stamps, welfare checks and housing assistance. This is objected to because it is the action of a lazy freeloader wanting something for nothing (and yes I know some people say it is not, it is wanting to escape the hardships of Mexico but that is really the same thing).

        On the migrant workers (illegal aliens) taking jobs from U.S. citizens, I hear the garbage about us not being willing to do that menial task but I also read reports about how the employers refuse to hire us.

        Non-citizens working in our country get a special type of taxpayer ID so they can pay taxes. These Illegal aliens get this to file tax returns so they can once again get money from the government.

        A recent expose on this showed how they (Mexicans) use the extended family tax credit to add as many as 10 dependents (often the dependents live in Mexico). They get a refund for every dependent (not sure the amount but lets say $600). This is similar to the earned income credit given to poor families where they get more money back than what they paid in.

        I watched migrant worker families go into the welfare office for their bennefits. I was shocked to see them driving a brand new high end SUV.

        My aunt was a supervisor in the welfare office and she found out that her assistants (many being Mexicans) were allowing these migrant worker families to have multiple benefits which was against regulations.

        When I was living in Tucson, Arizona, they discovered that Mexican employees were giving Arizona drivers licenses to illegal alien Mexicans so they could get other bennifits of citizenship.

        So, knowing these facts for myself gives me reason to say that yes some Mexicans are a problem.

        You left out the Indians (not native americans because they emmigrated here from the Eurasian continent). For some strange reason, my ancestors stole all their land so I owe them a living. Once again my ancestors were still in Europe when that occured. Our government gives all adult Indians living on a reservation a monthly check.

        When I was stationed in Guam I found out that the U.S. government gives all the native inhabitants of Guam a subsistance check also. Why, because the Japanese devestated their island in WWII. So we owe it to them?

        Our government has an agreement with Russia that says we will pay them Social Security compensation if they emmigrate to the United States. Does not matter that they did not pay into it, they get the maximum allowed. I have to make big bucks for a year and a half to qualify for that.

        Now I got a little off the subject but in the first part I was explaining why we say some members of the groups you mentioned are said to be the cause of the problem.

        In the second part I was explaining why ENTITLEMENTS is a major problem with the deficit in our country.

        So now Eddie, where in this is it my fault, where should I MAN UP and take responsibility for the problems I talked about?

        Please dont try to say I said those things because I am racist because that is not true and is just a pathetic way of dismissing reality. I dont hate minorities, women, Indians or Guamanians, I only hate stupid. And, believe me I have met plenty of stupid people of every race, religion and ethnic background.

        As a side note, since I know you will all be reading this, the word Negro is not the “N” word that is derogitory. Negro comes from the latin for black. As a matter of fact, when I was growing up black people wanted to be called Negro. Then black and finally African American. I stopped at black because I was tired of changing the word used to identify them and I have only met about 10 black people from Africa living in America tha might be qualified to be called by that term. I believe that diversity is good but only if it is not devisive. If you are a citizen of the United States you are an American, why do you want us to constantly pidgeon hole them as black americans. And God save us, when did it become racist to dissagree with someone just because you are white.

      • Shelia

        amen to that Eddie, Obama up in the polls by 4% since DNC. Obama/Biden 2012

      • S.C.Murf

        Hey fast eddie how you doing? If they want a piece of the pie tell them to get a job and earn it like the rest of us Americans, oh I forgot obamanation can’t develop any jobs.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • sam1966

        I see Shelia is drunk on kool aid. Romney/Ryan were up by 6 points when the RNC was in progress, so what’s your point?

        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/6949/are-democrats-stupid-dumb-or-ignorant-maybe-its-all-three/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • http://emariaenterprises.wordpress.com emariaenterprises

        Eddie,
        The coal companies re-invented themselves years ago./ Coal can be burned Very cleanly, but the permits and such needed haven’t been being granted by the EPA during this administration. they are being regulated to death. literally. You really don’t know what you are talking about where coal and coal fired electricity are concerned. Broaden your reading lists. Check out some different material. Stop letting the party of propaganda spoon feed you your education. You’re limiting your self to pablum.

      • Smilee

        Your dreaming sammie, WAKE UP!

      • Peter 10-nov-1775

        The United States gives everybody equal opportunity, not, as the president and most libs think, equal results. Also, government was formed by the people, not the other way around, you can say “yes, WE built it!!!”

      • sam1966

        Read what Chris Christie said in his speech, for it is the opposite of Obama bin Laden and you progressives.

        http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2012/08/chris-christie-made-obama-look-small-without-every-mentioning-him/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • mrrzk

      Can u afford a trillion/per yr. Nothing was said about decreasing the spending. 1billion dollars just went to HAMAS (A terrorist group)by H. Clinton. WHY?? When our people are hurting for JOBS NOT HANDOUTS.
      THE WASTE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IS UNBELIEVEABLE. O has NO business experience and the WORST PART—HE DOESNT WANT TO LISTEN TO THE BUSINESS MEN that do know how to spend and BUDGET.

      You need to see 2016 OBAMA’S AMERICA. By his OWN WORDS, he is in
      CAIRO speaking to Muslims and the infiltration of America. HIS OWN
      WORDS, NOT AN ACTOR……………

      GOD BLESS EACH OF YOU AND AMERICA.

  • Peter Sagi

    Both Obummer and the RomNut are totally putrid, bought and paid for by the same interests, socialized medicine promoting, abortionistic, gun grabbing, new world o’der loving carbuncles on the backside of American politics. I couldn’t live with voting for either of them. Obummer may be more dangerous due to not facing reelection after 2012, the RomNut might be more dangerous if is isn’t faced with gridlock, if the Repukelicans win it all, and, because he is a Repukelican and will put out some artificially flavored Constitution sounding rhetoric consisting of 99% road appled derived fillers, which may put people to sleep thinking everything is OK. I will remind folks here that the great so-called Conservative Ronald Reagan did exactly that … first passing a minor tax cut and then passing a huge tax increase, only the huge tax increase was called “saving social security.” During his tenure, the US came dangerously close to a constitutional convention, with the Rockefeller funded Newstates constitution waiting in the wings, that would have done away with the Bill of Rights, concentrated power, done away with private gun ownership, etc. So don’t buy into the Repukelican party crapola as being better than the demo’rats.

    I will cast my vote for the first candidate that tells the truth about social security and the income tax, how they are linked, etc. That makes for an easy choice, since none do.

    Pete

    • Shane

      But at least you live in your own perfect world. You should vote for Peter Sagi.

    • http://mozilla robert e. lee

      how does some one get in the mental condition you are in???? mushrooms?????

    • Shelia

      go to barackobama.com and the get the facts

      • sam1966

        Obama bin Laden and facts are a contradiction in terms. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • KG

    BC is kinda funny. I wonder how many Girls he slept with at college? And i wonder if any of them thought about getting an abortion if BC knocked them up? Cause in college, you are thinking about your future, as well as having a good time.

    I just love it when he has that “my little pony” with the hammer and sickle like as though the Democrats are communists. How about a Swastika for the Republican party? Or a screwball for the Libertarians?

    Payroll taxes are supposed to pay for Social Security, and Income taxes are supposed to pay for the rest of Government. But with the current tax code, it’s the working people who are paying the bulk of taxes. And yet, the people who benefit most from our wars are paying almost nothing. Regan took away most of the middle class tax exemptions, so working people are paying the most taxes. It’s time to get back to what works – tax the rich and feed the poor. And I mean feed the poor by allowing them to collectively bargain for decent wages
    and working conditions.

    The reason why Conservatives hate Public Employee unions is not because of some economic concern. If they were really concerned about our economic well being, then they wouldn’t have invaded Iraq. So, what’s the real reason why conservatives hate Unions? CAUSE THEY ARE JEALOUS! If “God” was talking to you, then why are you working without health insurance? Or for “substance wages”? The Democrats live in the real world. We know we have to work for a living. And if you want something, you have to pay for it. You want this “great country” of ours, and yet you don’t want to pay for it.

    • jed klampit

      pardon me but my family has paid by service in ww2 and paying taxes all their and
      my life so the ones who have not paid should not be allowed to offer there 2-cents
      as the matters are not involing people here who cant speak english and are not
      here legally if they were silent there would be alot less people complaining….

      • Frank

        Actually your spelling (typos) and grammar are not perfect but aside from that the 1st ammendment to the constitution gives all citizens the right to put their 2-cents worth in.

    • johnc

      The rich don’t pay their fair share…..wrong…the top 25% of all wage earners this includes the top 1 % pay 87% of all the revenue collected in taxes…Source OMB of the US Government….
      Unions have raised wages and reduced efficiency, the net effect has been to make our products less competitive…you would not want to pay $2000 for a LCD television you can buy made elsewhere for $600 you would not want to pay $600 for a pair of American made shoes..High cost Union Labor has caused the closing of many companies so yes your wages are extremely Good for the short term, but at the cost of loosing the competitive edge and eventually loosing your high paying job because the company closed…who really is to blame the company or the Union
      I have driven a GM made care made by union workers …the quality of that product sucked…. I bought a Nissan made in the US by non-Union workers…quality top notch and the price was relatively the same …Unions need to change ..there is one example of an American car company that I would buy from and that is Ford …they have moved with the times and in the long run will stay in business …GM on the other hand looks like it might be heading again to bankruptcy and the Government should let it it would come back leaner and stronger and able to compete after getting rid of the dead wood

      • KG

        How much of that income the 1% are reinvesting in America?

      • Vigilant

        KG says, “How much of that income the 1% are [sic] reinvesting in America?”

        Given the absolute uncertainty in the business world, thanks to Obama, not nearly enough is being reinvested. Hundreds of billions are waiting on the sidelines for Romney to be elected.

        Confiscatory taxation under Obama is heading right at business, along with the additional taxation of Obamacare, and explosion of onerous regulations that prevent development of energy resources.

        Insane government “investment” in alternative energy is getting no where and simply wastes taxpayer dollars and increases the deficit.

        How hypocritical of the left to say that Conservative policies seek to take us back to the past, when the socialist assault on America will result in a financial debacle so huge it will take us back to the Stone Age.

      • Old Henry

        What all businesses across the nation should do it post a sign stating: Will be hiring on November 7, 2012 if Obama LOOSES.

      • eddie47d

        That’s probably truer than you think Old Henry. The Republican business owner have been waiting for THEIR Messiah for four years now and won’t hire until he is elected. If Obama wins then the economy won’t change because there will be plenty of Republicans who will continue to hold out until 2016 for a “better deal”. As Mitch McConnell said 3 years ago that the Republicans will hold fast in sabotaging the Obama presidency.They have been true to their word. I did watch that video last night you posted about why we have wars. A little edgy but so true in many aspects. Thanks.

      • Old Henry

        eddie:

        If I were a business owner I do not think I would invest in expanding with equipment / personnel with all the uncertainy of what this communist foreign national might do with taxing, regulations, etc. Look what he has done to the coal industry during his short tenure.

        Any good business person of any stripe would be hesitant to spend capital in this environment.

        Glad you were able to watch the video. Much of it was stuff I was aware of, but much of it was new. The problem is that it opens so many doors that people are over-whelmed and blow it off.

        As the old saying goes: “Follow the money”.

      • eddie47d

        Coal has to reinvent itself if possible and stop being such a health and environmental problem.

    • jed klampit

      the unions in this country are no longer needed….they increase cost of goods and
      services by 30% that and the governments taxes on every thing means we pay
      double or more for what we need too much government and unions we dont need…

      • KG

        Unions are no longer needed like ladders are no longer needed to reach a higher level. Open your eyes and learn the history of our country. A hundred yeas ago, most people worked 12 hours a day just to eat. It’s the workers who provide the labor necessary for capitol to exist. So why shouldn’t we recieve our fair share? I’m willing to negotiate, are you?

        Solidarity forever.

      • Old Henry

        What exactly KG, is your FAIR SHARE? You communists love to use that term as it is undefinable and completely arbitrary.

        How about the 47 percenters paying their fair share?

      • Vigilant

        Laughingly, KG(B) says, “Open your eyes and learn the history of our country. A hundred yeas [sic] ago, most people worked 12 hours a day just to eat. It’s the workers who provide the labor necessary for capitol [sic] to exist. So why shouldn’t we recieve [sic]our fair share? I’m willing to negotiate, are you?”

        Suggest you open your eyes to recent history. Union membership has declined in the last decades for a good reason: they’ve not only reached the top of the ladder, they’ve built ladder extensions to the point of never-ending demands. It was the union that bankrupted GM, and nothing else.

        And any idiot should know that union membership has decreased in the private sector because members achieved the benefits of (excessive) living wages decades ago.

        The efficacy of today’s unions in obtaining luxury wages and over the top benefit packages for their members has NOTHING to do with the historical sweatshop days. They now seek to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

      • KG

        So, a Union guy who makes Prevailing wage and has good healthcare is killing the economy, but a CEO who makes billions earns every cent?

      • Vigilant

        “So, a Union guy who makes Prevailing wage and has good healthcare is killing the economy, but a CEO who makes billions earns every cent?”

        Without that CEO, there is no work, idiot!

      • eddie47d

        Without the workers nothing would get produced. How many CEOs do you see on the workroom floor?

      • Old Henry

        Vigilant:

        Have you noticed that these union goons never bring up the outrageous salaries their dear leaders receive? Swimming pools, limos, parties, vacations. When the “little people” go on strike the dear leaders still receive their paychecks.

      • Vigilant

        eddie says, ““Without the workers nothing would get produced. How many CEOs do you see on the workroom floor?”

        eddie, you may finally be getting it. Yes, it takes workers AND management to get the job done.

        As for CEOs on the workroom floor, you remind me of Dr. Zhivago’s USSR, or perhaps N. Korea and Red China. Are you a commune guy?

      • Vigilant

        Old Henry, you’ve hit it on the head. The union rank and file are more under the thumb of their leaders than they will ever be under management. When it comes to perks and expense accounts, the union lackeys have a sudden brain fart.

      • eddie47d

        Where I worked union leaders were for the most part rank and file and didn’t have big paychecks. Those in this country who might make $300,000 have thousands of members and have large travel expenses to cover. It’s up to the union members if they want to pay them either way. Besides we union members are not goons so go fly your kite someplace else.

      • Old Henry

        From eddie: “It’s up to the union members if they want to pay them either way.”

        So, your dues a voluntary? Besides, their business travel expenses are footed by the union, not out of their pockets.

      • Smilee

        jed klampit says:
        September 8, 2012 at 6:13 am

        Low wages and these are not union wages require us tax payers to subsidize child care, wages (earned income credit) food stamps, section 8 housing etc. thats what your taxes go for and if Unions were strong and wages were a living wage then these programs would not be necessary for employed persons, wages are now so low that almost half of those filling income taxes no longer make enough to have to pay any, they file to get back their withholdings and to get their wage subsidies which is the earned income credit, this is in large part because Unions workers are few in number. Companies move their businesses to other locations mostly rural and right to work states and overseas to kill the unions and then shift a large portion of their employees living expenses unto us the taxpayers. We all would benefit from more unions not just union members who today still earn much more that non union personal.

      • Smilee

        Vigilant says:
        September 8, 2012 at 2:20 pm

        You know little about unions, I was a union member for 40 years and the union never dictated to the members as you infer it was management members they feared and usually with good reason. It was us members that dictated to the union leadership what we wanted and they represented our concerns to the company on our behalf, not the other way around and they do not vote on your contracts and hold elective offices and need our votes to keep their job. Union leadership is not payed all that well, in fact I get more pension than my business agent will get when he retires. Our international leader in the Teamsters when I retired nine years ago was getting 250,000 a year and my company ceo was getting 6 million and the skill sets for both jobs are similar, This man is an attorney and could make much more practicing law, your beliefs are based on the rhetoric of those whom have a vested interest in killing unions and not on the facts in the real world.

      • Smilee

        Old Henry says:
        September 8, 2012 at 12:47 pm

        what you call “little people” and I take that as an insult are the only ones that vote to strike, no union leader makes you strike and have no say so what so ever in that matter as the decision is by secret ballot and the union leaders have no vote in that. In fact often they have a strike imposed on them over their objections to a strike as they feel it would not benefit the employees. Every contract I was involved in over a 40 year period and I was the steward in all but two negotiations and it was always me on behalf of my fellow employees whom told them what to fight for they never told me or my fellow employees what we should fight for. Your statements are based on pure poppycock and falsehoods.

      • sam1966

        I don’t know what union you belonged to, but the NEA takes more than $50 a month from my check. I’m glad Indiana is a right to work state. As many of the pensions and legislation dealing with unions are bankrupting the states. No one needs a pension of $100,000 or more a year just by working for the unions. You talk a lot of crap about unions, but what about the teachers in Chicago? They are striking for benefits and other wacked out reasons. They worry about them more than they care about the students. Maybe Chicago ought to do a Chris Christie on their unions.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

        He speaks the truth about unions, but do you really know the truth smilee? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Smilee

        Sammie Sammie, there you go again, I said an average of $50.00 a month in dues, certainly there are higher dues per month. $100,000 a year in pensions is an outrageous lie, state employees here in MN get $14,500 a year in pension and some of that is their own money, there are pensions of $100,000 but mostly in management very rarely in unions. Unions do however have much better pensions than non union personnel, I receive $17,000.00 a year from my pension and I never paid into it out of my wages. My non union friends where I worked get about $5,000.00 per year and that is more than most of our sister division personnel get. Because of higher wages my SS is on average $200.00 a mo more that the non union. I have read hundreds of union contracts over the years and been at the negotiating table many times with highly skilled corporate attorneys across the table from me over a 40 year period of time. How many have you read. Your outrages statements here say very little and suggest you may have even made them up. The Chicago strike is over working conditions, wages have been agreed to. Why not go on the Dept. of Labor website and get real figures and you will find out the truth but then it is sad how little importance the truth is to you. Also read history and you will find out that from Plymouth rock to 2012 the best years for labor personnel in this country was during the years unions were the strongest and guess what during those same years the economy was real stable and prosperous for most. It seem you care little about your fellow man’s conditions and suffer from a lot of jealousy and greed.

      • Smilee

        Sammie, two other things is that no one represented by a union works for them they work for their employer, no union pays your salary or benefits. Unions do not bankrupt states the state employees receive nothing for their members that the state does not agree to. The problem is the legislators today often refuse to fund them as they have agreed to, their goal is to deliberately bankrupt them as is true with Medicare and SS, we have to learn to pay for what we legislate. Tax and spend is much more preferable than borrow and spend which has been common place these days by Congress and the states and thus they have created these problems which are manageable. We have to learn to pay for what we legislate and once we do legislate we should do that rather than continually under fund. Clinton said the solutions was one word “Arithmetic” its really that simple if the systems were not gamed. Per capita spending and taxation is now as low as it was in the fifties. Trouble is so many want us to believe that we are going bankrupt and the real problem is we do not want to pay our bills we just put them on our state and national credit card. It is sad.

        • Frank

          There are a couple things wrong with what you say.

          First, yes it is not the Union that pays wages and benefits, but they do demand higher wages and bigger benefits for their members. It is those higher amounts that bankrupt the employer. As to the legislature agreeing to pay those inflated demands, you say it is their fault for agreeing to pay then complaining they cannot afford it. Well if I sell you a car and hold a gun to your head to force you to sign a contract for 4 times the value of the car, will you gladly pay without complaining?

          I can only assume, by your comments, that you are a liberal / democrat. Your statement of “it is manageable” comes from some DNC mantra. If you do some research, you will find that the current deficit and accompanying debt is far beyond manageable. And your borrow and spend words or tax and spend words is backwards. Our government works on the theory of SPEND and TAX/BORROW. It is not the level of taxation that puts us in debt, it is spending more than we make.

          If we follow your theory that it is not the unions that are the problem, then it follows that it is the government. Well I agree with you, the government needs to stop promising to pay money that they (we the tax payers) cant afford.

          Paying union level wages is a way to get richer, which is a type of entitlement. For a union worker to be untouchable, not forced to perform to acceptable standards to keep their job, makes that position an entitlement. Government should keep out of increasing, or helping organizations to increase, entitlements to our citizens.

          It won’t completely eliminate the deficit but it will help reduce it if entitlements are managed properly to eliminate waste and unnecessary payments.

          • Smilee

            Frank says:
            September 14, 2012 at 10:46 am

            There are a couple things wrong with what you say. I DO NOT THINK SO!

            First, yes it is not the Union that pays wages and benefits, but they do demand higher wages and bigger benefits for their members.

            UNIONS NEVER SET THE DEMANDS THIS IS DONE BY THE EMPLOYEES AND GIVEN TO THE UNION BUSINESS AGENTS TO REPRESENT TO THE COMPANY ON THE EMPLOYEES BEHALF, IN 40 YEARS I NEVER SEEN WHAT YOU SAY AND IT IS COMMON RHETORIC FROM THE UNION HATERS.

            It is those higher amounts that bankrupt the employer.

            IT IS NOT, UNIONS DEALING WITH COMPANIES WHOM ARE HAVING FINACIAL DIFFICULTIES ACCOMIDATE THEIR PROBLEMS AS THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE THEIR MEMBERS LOSE THEIR JOBS, AS THAT ALSO EFFECTS THEIR DUES AND ABILITY TO REPRESENT OTHER MEMBERS WHOM HAVE NOT LOST THEIR JOBS.

            As to the legislature agreeing to pay those inflated demands,

            INFLATED IS BUT AN OPINION ON YOUR PART AND MY FIGURES DO NOT COME TO THAT CONCLUSION BUT AGAIN THIS IS THE BS YOU HEAR MOSTLY THE GOP WHICH YOU SEEM TO ACCEPT WITHOUT DOING YOUR OWN CALCULATIONS.

            you say it is their fault for agreeing to pay then complaining they cannot afford it. Well if I sell you a car and hold a gun to your head to force you to sign a contract for 4 times the value of the car, will you gladly pay without complaining?

            YOUR WAY OFF BASE ON THIS NO UNION GETS FOUR TIME THE AMOUNT AND NO ONE HOLDS A GUN TO THEIR HEAD MOST TIMES IT IS THEM NOT WANTING TO PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES A FAIR SHARE OF WHAT THE EMPLOYEE HAS EARNED THE EMPLOYER,

            I can only assume, by your comments, that you are a liberal / democrat. Your statement of “it is manageable” comes from some DNC mantra.

            WRONG, MY CONCLUSIONS COME FROM ME DOING MY OWN ARTHIMETIC AND FOURTY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT BRINGS ME TO THAT CONCLUSION AND THE DEMS SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER THAN THE GOP WHOM TODAY ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE TOP FIVE PERCENT OF THE WEALTHY AND WILL TELL ALMOST ANY LIE TO SUPPORT THEIR POSITION

            If you do some research, you will find that the current deficit and accompanying debt is far beyond manageable.

            NO IT IS NOT THERE IS PLENTY OF WEALTH IN THIS COUNTRY TO MANAGE IT THE PROBLEM IS THE UNWILLINGNES TO DO SO. YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE IT BUT WE ARE STILL THE WEALTHIEST NATION IN THE WORLD BUT SINCE ABOUT 1980 HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO FROM THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS TO THE WEALTHY AND IT IS THIS LACK OF BALANCE WHICH WE HAD BEFORE 1980 AFTER THE UNIONS GOT STRENGTH AND PROVIDED A BALANCE IN THE ECONOMY WHICH WE SO BADLY NEED AGAIN IF WE ARE TO SOLVE OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC CRISIS.

            And your borrow and spend words or tax and spend words is backwards.

            ARE YOU FOR REAL YOU THINK IT IS BETTER TO GO DEEP INTO DEBT RATHER TO PAY YOUR BILLS WHICH WE COULD ALSO DO BASED ON THIS NATIONS WEALTH APPARENTLY YOU ARE OK WITH PAYING ALL THAT INTEREST PAYMENTS AND JEOPORDIZE OUR ECONOMY

            Our government works on the theory of SPEND and TAX/BORROW. It is not the level of taxation that puts us in debt, it is spending more than we make.

            ARE TAXES PER CAPITA FACTORING IN INFLATION IS AS LOW AS IT WAS IN THE FIFTIES THERE IS PLENTY OF WEALTH TO PAY OUR BILLS IF THERE WAS THAT WILL.

            If we follow your theory that it is not the unions that are the problem, then it follows that it is the government. Well I agree with you, the government needs to stop promising to pay money that they (we the tax payers) cant afford.

            YOU ARE WRONG WE HAVE PLENTY OF WEALTH TO DO SO BUT THE GOP WANTS TO PAY FOR IT BY BORROWING MONEY (REMEMBER THOSE TWO WARS AND TAX CUTS THAT THEY BORROWED TO PAY FOR IN ADDITION TO OTHERS)

            Paying union level wages is a way to get richer, which is a type of entitlement.

            HERE YOU GO AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG IN 1986 WE CREATED THE EARNED INCOME CREDIT A GOP CREATION AND SIGNED INTO LAW BY PRESIDENT REAGAN WHICH STARTED THE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZING WAGES OF LOW PAID WORKERS THAT GAVE A BIG INCENTIVE FOR BUSINESS TO LOWER THEIR WAGES WHICH THEY HAVE NOW DONE FOR 30 YEARS AND IN THE WELFARE REFORMS OF THE NINETIES WE MADE PEOPLE WORK LOW PAYING JOBS SO THE GOVERNMENT STARTED SUBSIDIZING CHILD CARE BIG TIME, PUT MORE WORKING PEOPLE ON FOOD STAMPS, ETC. AND THESE WERE ALL CREATIONS OF THE GOP, UNION WAGES REDUCE YOUR TAXES AS THESE EMPLOYEES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THESE BENEFITS DUE TO LARGER WAGES WHICH SAVE THE TAXPAYER A LOT OT MONEY AND WOULD SAVE IT A LOT MORE IF THERE WAS MORE UNION WAGES, UNIONS ACTUALLY PROVIDE YOU LOWER GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND LESS NEED FOR THE TAXES THAT ARE USED TO PAY FOR THEM.

            For a union worker to be untouchable, not forced to perform to acceptable standards to keep their job,

            BS, WE HAD FOUR LOCATIONS IN OUR COMPANY AND OURS WAS THE ONLY UNION ONE AND WE ALWAYS HELD THE HIGHES STANDARDS IN QUALITY AND QUANITIY AND WERE CONSIDERED THEIR BEST PRODUCTION EMPLOYEES BY THEM AND THIS TRUE MOST OF THE TIME BUT THE RHETORIC FROM EMPLOYERS MOST ALWAYS SAYS OTHERWISE BUT THEN IT IS NOT INTENDED TO REVEAL THE TRUTH

            makes that position an entitlement.

            MORE BS

            Government should keep out of increasing, or helping organizations to increase, entitlements to our citizens.

            YOUR RIGHT HERE THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDES MORE HELP TO THE RICH AND THE LARGE COMPANIES THAN TO ANYONE ELSE AND THIS SHOULD BE STOPPED AND ONE WAY WOULD BE TO EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD BETWEEN EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES BY ENCOURAGING UNIONS WHOM WOULD PROVIDE AGAIN FOR A BALANCE ECONOMY THAT WE HAD WHEN UNIONS WERE STONG AND THEN WAS THE BEST LABOR CONDITIONS IN OUR HISTORY BAR NONE, STUDY LABOR HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY FROM PLYMOUTH ROCK THROUGH 2012 AND YOU WILL FIND THAT TO BE TRUE.

            It won’t completely eliminate the deficit but it will help reduce it if entitlements are managed properly to eliminate waste and unnecessary payments.

            LIKE THOSE SUBSIDIZED LOW PAID WORKES BUT THEN HOW WOULD THESE PEOPLE EXIST WITHOUT UNION WAGES, YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. iT IS YOU WHOM SEEM TO HAVE SWALLOWED ALL THE FAR RIGHT AND GOP RHETORIC AND USE IT TO SUPPORT ALL THE BS YOU BELIEVE IN. IF YOU WOULD THINK FOR YOURSELF THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. THE BIGGEST AND MOST LOBBIES IN THIS COUNTRY ARE THOSE OF BUSINESS AND THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY SPENT THESE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO INFLUENCE ELECTIONS AND .LEGISLATION SO THAT BOTH ARE TO THEIR BENEFIT AND THEY HAVE BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL IN THIS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION AND THE SHIFT OF WEALTH AND TAXES TO THE MIDDLE CLASS WHOM THEY CAN BETTER CONTROL BY THESE WRONG ECONOMIC PRESSURES.

      • Smilee

        FRANK, THAT LAST PARAGRAPH SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHIFTING THE TAXES TO THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE WEALTH TO THE RICH . THE MIDDLE CLASSES HAS LOST WEALTH BIG TIME AND LOSS OF UNION REPRESENTATION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CAUSES IN ADDITION TO THE LOBBING BY BIG BUSINESS TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE THRU LEGISLATION WHICH HAS MADE THIS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO SO..SOME CALL IT LEGAL THEFT AND THIS IS CLOSE TO CORRECT.

        • Frank

          Just got through reading all your screaming, ranting and raving about how stupid you are.

          Your ability to understand anything real is below the standards associated with the mentally handicapped.

          Unions DO DEMAND HIGHER WAGES AND BENNIFITS. You spout BS about it is not the UNION LEADERS, I did not say union leaders. I have been around at least as long as you, I have worked for and observed UNIONS. We could not be fired without the consent of the UNION. I was fired for driving home for lunch one night and the union threatened to strike if I was not re-instated.

          Yes unions do hold a metaphoric gun to the heads of business owners. If you don’t give us what we want we will strike and you have nothing to sell.

          I am not now nor have I ever been a republican, I dont care who votes for stupid wastefull spending. It is wrong. All entitlements are wrong if they are abused. The earned income credit is theft. But so is union wages. And, unless you are old enough to be my grandfather you were not around to be involved in the need for unions. Unions dont improve the quality of production, people do. The harder you have to work to keep your job the better you do.

          As I have stated before, I dont give a rats behind about the whining of the middle class. They already make more than they need to live a comfortable life. And if you had any idea about reality you would know that it is the inflation caused by the fed printing billions of new money that corroded the value of all Americans wealth, not just the middle class.

          And, asside from you spouting your pathetic rediculous statement that we have the money to pay our total debt, give me some real numbers. Show me the total net worth of all Americans combined that would pay off the entire 16 trillion dollar debt tomorrow. Show me how you can suck 1.4 trillion dollars out of the economy each year to pay the deficit and still have money left over to grow the jobs needed in this country.

          Show me the numbers with adjustment for inflation that shows we have the same government budget that we had 50 years ago.

          You say I spout mindless GOP retoric but the truth is that you are spouting Democratic retoric.

          IT IS SPENDING THAT IS THE PROBLEM NOT TAXES. IF YOU TAX EVERYONE 100% IT WILL NOT COVER THE CURRENT BUDGET. YOU CANT USE INTEREST AS AN EXCUSE FOR IT EITHER BECAUSE THAT HAS TO BE PAID. IT WILL NOT SIMPLY GO AWAY BECAUSE THE CHESHIRE CAT (SMILEEE) WANTS IT TO.

          AND THAT IS NOT GOP RETORIC, IT IS REALITY. IF YOU SPEND TWICE AS MUCH AS YOU MAKE EVRY YEAR, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY YOUR BILLS, AND EVENTUALLY NOT EVEN THE INTEREST ON WHAT YOU OWE. THAT IS PERSONAL ECONOMICS, THE GOVERNMENT IS NO DIFFERENT.

          SO BLOW IT OUT YOUR A$$ ON THAT IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN SPEND ALL IT WANTS, WE JUST HAVE TO SUCK IT UP AND PAY THE BILL. IF THAT IS HOW YOU REALLY FEEL THEN I AM SURE THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR MONEY IF YOU SELL EVERYTHING YOU OWN AND TURN THE MONEY OVER TO THEM.

          I APPRECIATE IT IF YOU DONT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE AND CALL EVERYTHING I KNOW TO BE BS. I WILL NOT DENEGRATE YOU IF YOU STOP DOING IT TO ME

          AND STOP WHINING ABOUT THE 1%, THEY DIDNT STEAL THE OVER INFLATED WAGES YOU ARE MAKING BY BELONGING TO A UNION.

          • Smilee

            You are one angry and rude dude whom seem to get off on hurling insults and neither understands unions or government. I will not respond to all your post as the most of it is pure garbage that makes little sense coming from a very out of control angry person .

            In response to your statement: YOUR STATEMENT:

            We could not be fired without the consent of the UNION. I was fired for driving home for lunch one night and the union threatened to strike if I was not re-instated. Yes unions do hold a metaphoric gun to the heads of business owners. If you don’t give us what we want we will strike and you have nothing to sell.

            MY RESPONSE: First I have never seen a contract that does not define how and when you can strike very few have contracts allow strikes when a contract is in force. Your reason for being fired does not make sense unless you were late returning or did not return and had a habit of doing so, you certainly were not a favorite of the company. These type of things are usually resolved by negotiation and/or arbitrations were in a third party decides the dispute based in a hearing determining weather or not your were fired for just cause which is a precedent developed over years of practice. No union has the power to approve or disapprove a firing but management is the only one whom can fire and if they have valid documentation to support it and in forty years being involved in many of these matters where management has valid documentation they will win the arbitration or the union drops the matter because of it. My experience was that 90% + stayed fired when management did their job right and correctly documented the matter, Unions are required by law to represent an employee much the same as a lawyer would represent you in court if you are charged with a crime and the union does hire a lawyer in most cases to represent you. It is a balanced process which you seem to hate, the alternative is to give absolute power to management of your employment which leaves the employee powerless and most union haters deny this at least until they get fired and can do absolutely nothing about it.

            YOUR STATNENT: The earned income credit is theft. But so is union wages. And, unless you are old enough to be my grandfather you were not around to be involved in the need for unions. Unions dont improve the quality of production, people do

            MY RESPONSE: Earned income came about by lobbing efforts of employers to enable them to cut wages and pocket the savings,, I agree this is theft. Union wages on the other hand work with employers so that the earned income is off limits to them due to living wages and apparently you are ok with paying a portion of the employers wages through the earned income for these companies whose employees collect the earned income credit because of being underpaid by their employers. Why should taxpayers have to support the employers employees???? I will not respond to the rest of your post as it is pure garbage and I see no point in wallowing in it.

          • Frank

            All of your post is garbage, you put words in my mouth and try to state my opinion in opposition to what I said. I said that the earned income is theft, that in no way says that I support it.

            Unions are worthless crap that always works to overpaying the members by the employer. They have no rational reason to exist in the modern economy.

            I am not an angry person, I just hate stupidity. You sir enrage me by your lack of the smallest amount of intelect. In other words you are stupid. You are a liar and a hack. Idiots who think like you are the problem with this country because you cant think and solve problems like a normal person.

          • Smilee

            WOW, your so angry and rude it is pathetic, no one put words in your mouth. You hate stupidity then you are not only angry you hate yourself. If your not part of the solution they you are part of the problem and all your suggestions and beliefs would create all kinds of problems. Your a problem maker not a solution solver. Why is it you hate unions and poor people so bad and I guess you even alluded that you hate the middle class, you said nothing about the rich. Do you hate them too? is there anyone you do not hate???????

          • Frank

            I said I hate stupid, you are stupid therefor I hate you. All other things you try to put in my words is lies. I dont hate the rich, middle class or poor. Guess you are special. And, RUDE, you are rude, crude and so ignorant it stinks. All my ideas are worthy of coment and discussion. You are the most close minded idiot I have encountered here and that is something considering there is flashy and eddie to contend with for you

          • Smilee

            Frank, Go take a real long cold shower, maybe it will shock you back to reality

    • Shane

      Nearly 40% of union members support conservative canidates. I know I did during my 12 years in the union.

      When individuals speak absolutes, such as KG. They have revealed their intellectual and moral compass.

      • Shane

        KG, you’re right. Union are not needed in todays times. Unions are a hinderence, not a help.

      • Old Henry

        Speaking of raiding pension funds KG. How ’bout those democrats emptying out our SS Trust Fund? How about those dems robbing 716 Billion from your grandparents Medicare and pushing them off the cliff?

        Any CEO who robs pension funds – unless they are in Congress – should and will be put in jail once convicted.

        As far as their salary, that is up to the stock holders.

      • Old Henry

        KG:

        Your union did not “pay” for your schooling, you did. Think union dues. They simply propagandized you into thinking “they” paid for it, just as all liberals shovel that “free lunch” crap. There is NO free “lunch”, someone somewhere pays for it.

        I would rather attend a “fly by” voc ed than one of the fly by over-priced universities run by liberals who con young people into believing their degrees will absolutely ensure them of “X” amount of money – and a job.

      • Smilee

        Shane says:
        September 8, 2012 at 8:35 am

        KG, you’re right. Union are not needed in todays times. Unions are a hinderence, not a help.

        WOW!! I recently retired and was represented by a Union, my pension is $1,000.00 more per month than my non union coworkers where I worked and my SS is $200.00 more due to higher wages than my non union coworkers. Unions were a big help to all of us there and when they slashed the non union workers pensions and medical they did not touch ours. We were better paid and had better benefits but the big difference now is I receive every month for the rest of my life $1,200.00 more than them. They were not happy with this and wished they could get enough support to be Union. Labor dept. statistics show the national average for union wages is $800.00 per month more than non union and the average dues about $50.00 per month. If you could deposit that $50.00 in a savings account at the first of the month and by the 1st of the next month your balance would have increased to $800.00 would you also see that as a hindrance to your financial bottom line?? Are working conditions were also much better. You also are not paying near as much child care subsidies, food stamps and earned income credit which subsidies the so many non union employees that are so often under paid and these are all paid for from all of our taxes. Just think Union wages would automatically lower your taxes if there were more Union shops. Still think Unions are not needed??

    • Old Henry

      Spoken like a true union goon 47 percenter.
      Democrat is just another way to spell communist. Their ideals and goals are identical.

      You want better wages? Go where they pay better wages, or start your own business. Work a little harder / think of improvements to benefit your employer and make yourself more valuable. Unions simply want more, more, more for less, less, less.

      I started 40 years ago at an entry level job, worked hard, used my head for something other than a hat rack and over the years moved up.

      Try it KG and quit your belly aching and whinning.

      • KG

        My Union has invested many millions of their dues on training facilities to teach future Journeymen a trade that could feed their families. The Republican ruled non-union depend on people to take loans and go to some fly-by nite Vocational school. So they get the money both ways.
        BTW, I have a stack of certificates from Journeyman classes I took at my local Union. How many non-union workers been back to school since high school? The Union is competitive in that area because we have invested in the future. America WAS successful until big business (read Republicans) lost faith in America and started to “scour” the Earth for bigger profits. Do you really think a billionaire who made a living by raiding company’s for their pension funds is a good choice?

        Solidarity forever

      • eddie47d

        Working in an auto assembly line is hard work,very tedious and hard on the body. To say they don’t deserve good wages is false egotism. You need to pay attention who made the real obscene wages for doing little in the auto industry. Upper management who paid themselves very handsomely. They also were in charge of controlling costs and designing good products. If some of you think American cars are crappy blame management and the designers not the workers who labor to put those vehicles together. Those workers put in the same sweat and equity whether the car is a cheap model or an expensive one. Maybe if the CEOs didn’t pad their salaries with golden parachutes and huge GUARANTEED stock options then the companies wouldn’t always be in the red. Those sweet management deals where they get rewarded whether they make or break a company is a huge factor in these over bloated companies.

    • Warrior

      Taxpayers give GM $100mil. And now under gubmint control gm builds plants in europe and china. I bought a buick in 2010 that was made in germany.

      KGB, this is how your handlers reward your union buds? Maybe you should jump on the next “high speed” train to china. Possibly the chinese will appreciate your loyalty.

    • KG

      Which country would you want to live in – Sweden or Mexico? You should start a business in Somalia – I hear they have complete freedom of arms, and little regulation – Why, you should make millions there!!!!

      Solidarity Forever

      • Old Henry

        Well KG, you’re always whinning about being a poor boy, so why don’t you take your own advice? Become a millionaire.

      • KG

        That’s the thing. I know I could be a millionaire in America, but could I sleep at night? To be a successful businessman you have to be ruthless – especially if you want to be a millionaire. I’d rather work hard and make a decent wage. Oh, is that greedy?

      • eddie47d

        Sorry Old Henry not everyone wants to do it the Romney way. Making millions off of a company that has little if any assets. How exactly does that work where a company can’t make it ,lays off hundreds but the raiders come out with 92 million or more? What kind of Orwellian world is that? No different than those Hedge Fund managers on Wall Street who made Billions(yes billions) off of our collapsing economy. That casino economy needs to be stopped where the Middle Class takes the hit and the millionaires pad their bank accounts and even hide assets in foreign countries. That’s bull sh*t patriotism if there ever was any to begin with.

      • Old Henry

        It sort of goes back to what was laid out in that video eddie.

        Many stock holders are negligent in holding upper mgt. accountable – much like our electorate. Simply lazy. In my opinion CEOs should be compensated comesurate with the company’s success, or lack thereof.

  • jed klampit

    he said he would not kick the can however that is all he has been doing…
    so now we must kick his can out of the white house

  • dan

    just watching the RNC and the Dims play hot-potatoe (yeah ,I grew up in Indiana) with
    the disaster which is our economy….
    what…they couldn’t get Juan McCain yo run again ?

    • Old Henry

      dan, Juan is running again, he simply wearing his Romney suit.

  • http://firefox wog1

    Clinton says that it would take anyone more than one term to straighten out the mess the Obama has inherited. But you have to remember where Clinton is coming from. He likes a destroyer of America in office. He wants to change it too. Just look at the actions of Hillary. /but lets us give Clinton the benefit of the doubt, at least for just a minute. If what Clinton says is true, he thinks Obama needs four more years to straighten out the mess. But Obama is going in the wrong direction. His idea of hope and change is to destroy America. He hates America that is why he wants to change it. He does not like freedom. He thinks he is God. He hates the Constitution. It gets in his way and he cannot be total dictator. If Obama was trying to straighten out the problems we should have seen some improvement, somewhere. OK name one place he has improved the country. Go ahead name just one. The only thing he knows how to do is campaign. He is the great campaigner. His speech was pathetic. He says we need to create more jobs and do it quicker but he gave not solutions. No plan, no ideas just rhetoric.

    • KG

      Tell me, how many of us would like to be in late 90′s now? Oh yea, tell me someone who was not doing well then? That was under Bill. And don’t forget Al – he “invented” the internet. Well, actually by funding the projects to wire all the schools, he did “invent” the environment for our modern communication infrastructure. I can remember Gingrich et.al. saying that “wiring up the schools was a waste – who’s gonna use the internet?” Well, thank God Al and the Democrats had the faith to invest in the future. If we depended on the Republicans, we would still be using chalkboards and slide rules.

      • Shane

        Check the test scores and graduation rates latey of public schools? Do you deal with young people on a daily basis, and observe just how little they know. Other than self esteem, which is growing at an alarming rate.

      • Shane

        This is a fun, but sad exercise. To be used on public school students are even recent graduates. To be fair, start at age 13 and up.

        1) Within ten years, when did the American Civil War start?
        2) Who was Teddy Roosevelt? What was he known for before (you supply the answer of president in the earlier question) before becoming president?
        3) Who is Lindbergh? After a period of time mention “the Spirit of St. Louis” and airplane. After a period of time when they don’t know what you are talking about. Explain the time period and that he was the first to cross the Atlanta by himself in an airplane to europe. Ask them where he landed?
        4) What continent is India?
        5) What continent is Bolvia?
        6) Who was Harriet Beecher Stowe? After a long silence, explain she was a novelist and what she wrote that made her famous. Ask why the book became famous, to this day. What event did it help lead to?
        7) What decade did the U.S. involvement in WW2 take place?
        8) What decade is known as the heart of the Great Depression.
        9) Who is Charlie Chaplin?
        10) There are fifty states. Can they name ten out of the original 13? Can they name five out of the last ten states admitted?

        There are many more simple questions that even the dimwitted students in elementary school knew decades ago.

      • KG

        Is that the schools fault? How many School Board meetings did you go to last year? What about the families where both parent work full time JUST to survive? Or the single parents who have to work and take care of their kids?

        “I have seen the enemy, and he is us.” Pogo

      • Vigilant

        KGB says, “”Well, thank God Al and the Democrats had the faith to invest in the future.”

        No, sonny, they are wasting our money, as they always have, to create a socialist Utopia that cannot exist in reality. THEIR future is a future of enslavement by government dependencies (food stamps, welfare, overregulation and taxation, and complete reduction of individual freedoms to a point of tyranny).

        That may the future you want, it’s not the future America deserves.

        And shane, the problem with self esteem is that any idiot can claim to have a valid opinion and expect people to agree with it. KG is a perfect example of the bigotry and smug ignorance created by the self esteem movement. Good catch.

      • Old Henry

        Shane:

        Godd questions, but #10 has a “typo”. There are 57 states!

      • KG

        I just love it when you say “Utopia” like it’s a crime to want a better world for your children. How about the “Utopia” you guys want – where there are no abortions and we kill Gay people – sounds like the Dark Ages to me.

      • Vigilant

        KGB says, ““I just love it when you say “Utopia” like it’s a crime to want a better world for your children. “

        Kind of out of touch with reality, are we? NAME ONE economic system in history that has done more good for more people than Capitalism. Your Utopia fails when it runs out of other people’s money, always has, always will.

        “How about the “Utopia” you guys want – where there are no abortions and we kill Gay people – sounds like the Dark Ages to me.”

        Tell me who wants to kill gay people. You’re sniffing in the wrong bushes here, sonny.

        As for abortion, you might refresh your awareness (or learn for the first time) of Jefferson’s famous statement in the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

        Now, what part of “Life” don’t you understand in that statement?

      • eddie47d

        Come on Vigilant you been around long enough to realize there is no true capitalism. Its almost 100% crony deceitful capitalism. American capitalism does pick winners and losers all the time with and without government help. Very few super wealthy have earned their riches in the last few decades. They all game each other leaving the rest of the markets to suffer or become like them. The greedier they become the harder the small businesses have to work to gain a piece of the market. On top of that the American worker isn’t the envy of the world anymore for the super wealthy have also turned them into a cheap labor commodity and no longer a partner in their businesses.

      • Melody

        It is a good thing-but it has it’s drawbacks too. Kids use the internet for a lot of disturbing things like posting videos of kids beating other kids, embarrassing others with pictures that sometimes lead to another commiting suicide…..

      • Vigilant

        “Come on Vigilant you been around long enough to realize there is no true capitalism. Its almost 100% crony deceitful capitalism.”

        You say. “Almost 100%” is a pretty radical claim, eddie. I think the millions of small business owners in this country may disagree with you.

        No one, myself included, is extolling the virtues of crony Capitalism. When did you see anyone do that on this site?

        And you will not dodge the all time question that NO ONE has ever answered on this site: NAME ONE economic system in history that has done more good for more people than Capitalism.

        The floor’s open.

      • Old Henry

        Well eddei, Soetoro is a communist, he is a foreigner – Kenyan / Indonesian, he is a criminal. Think fraudulent birth certificate for starters. Plus just being in our WH makes him a criminal due to his non-eligible status. He is NOT a Natural Born Citizen as required by our operating manual. It amtters not where he was born. His purported daddy was a British subject, not a U.S. citizen. Now, if his daddy was shown to be Frank Marshal Davis, his communist mentor, then Barry’s place of birth would come into play.

        He is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the U.S.

      • eddie47d

        I’ll allow you to believe what you want Old Henry but you seem to do alot of mental masturbation to come to those conclusions. Since few are proven and only conjecture.

      • eddie47d

        I won’t dispute that Vigilant but if it is so good why do you allow so much corruption to permeate the Capitalist system and then nothing is done about how the crooks achieved their wealth. If it keeps happening then you either don’t care or are a willing participant. Best doesn’t mean it can’t be improved upon.

      • Vigilant

        eddie, your points are well taken.

        I’ll grant that there is no perfect economic system, if you mean by perfect that everyone must be satisfied with its outcome.

        But I think we go too far in blaming the type of system for the corruption and undue influence on government. Inspect socialist or communist nations and you’ll find that an equal or higher level of corruption exists. And history has shown conclusively that the more a government controls the system, the less well off are the populace, not only materially but in terms of individual freedoms as well.

        Marx was correct in saying that Capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction, but in his diatribe against it, he forgets that so do other economic systems.

        The basic morality of the populace in each nation is a great predictor of success or failure of its government. The marriage of Capitalism with our form of government resulted in a long honeymoon. But that honeymoon lasted only as long as the people were “worthy” of the gift.

        Moral relativism and the grinding down of traditional values such as selflessness, charity, honesty, toleration, the golden rule, civic responsibility and the bulk of values identified with Christian thought (though not exclusive to it), have brought us to this pass.

        While crony Capitalism and neocon insensitivity to it have our freedoms through increased government favoritism, I detect too often the edge of envy and avariciousness in the diatribes against the wealthy.

      • Vigilant

        Sorry, my last sentence should have read “While crony Capitalism and neocon insensitivity to it have reduced our freedoms…”

      • Old Henry

        Well eddie, Marxist, Communist, there is no real material difference.

        He was spawned by communists, raised by communists, educated by communists, mentored by communists and began his political career in the home of communist domestic terrorists.

        No one spends 2+ million dollars to keep his entire life secret, unless there is something that needs to be kept secret. If you wanted to get a janitorial job you would have to provide more info than Little Barry has provided.

        If this guy were a Republican the press would have had him in prison by now.

    • Old Henry

      wog1, as near as I can tell the Constitution has never gotten in Obama’s way. Just having that communist foreign national criminal Kenyan camped in OUR White House is proof of that, not to mention all his end-runs around the spineless outlaw eunuch Congress.

      • eddie47d

        You got the spineless Congress right but please lay off the other lowbrow chatter Henry. You sound kike a Joe McCarthy in a cheap suit. To answer Vigilants comment about gays how about the American Family Association and then there is also Pat Robertson in advocating the demise of gays. Funny how Pat Robertson bashes Muslims but take the gay killing right out of their playbook. Now there is a common denominator that is frightening.

      • Vigilant

        “To answer Vigilants comment about gays how about the American Family Association and then there is also Pat Robertson in advocating the demise of gays. Funny how Pat Robertson bashes Muslims but take the gay killing right out of their playbook. Now there is a common denominator that is frightening.”

        Feel free to provide a definitive quote and linkage on that one, eddie. Put me on record as advocating the incarceration of anyone who says gays should be killed.

        Stereotyping of Conservatives in such a way is absolutely wrong.

      • eddie47d

        Lets put it this way Vigilant. The AFA sent religious delegates to Uganda to enact laws that gave their government the right to give gays the death penalty. Not only that anyone who is caught associating with any gay would receive time in prison (even family members). That law was put on hold but do you really think this American organization wouldn’t attempt those same laws here.

      • Vigilant

        “but do you really think this American organization wouldn’t attempt those same laws here.”

        I do.

  • boo

    the party of death, hate and godlessness…..actually voted god down along with jerusalem 3x……geeez:
    The Democratic party truly is the big tent party! That is unless you are: white male, own a gun, religious, a Tea Party member, believe in small government, pro-choice, high school educated, believe in Creationism, anti-union, live outside of New York, live outside of California. You know, maybe they aren’t really as big of a tent as they pretend to be. In fact, their hypocritical intolerance of anyone who disagrees with their beliefs was so bad that even Jon Stewart and the team at The Daily Show had to mock it!

    • KG

      Do you really believe the Republicans are closer to God? The patron saint of modern conservative thought thought Christianity was the “Highest form of looter values.” The sacrifice of a superior being for the benefit of inferiors is a “sin” in the eyes of this saint. “Selfishness is the highest value”. All by a crazy lady who wrote novels about selfish people getting what they want because the thought of themselves as “important to Society.” Just because they had a lot of money.

      Karl Rove is an Atheist. Romney is a member of a religious cult. And Ryan is a Ayn Rand worshiper. Oh yea, God is on your side!

      • Sirian

        HA, your comments are truly adding to the comedy – keep ‘em coming! Enjoy your kool-aid? Sure sounds like it. Just for fun, tell ya what, to reinforce your indoctrinated mind in ref to Romney’s “cult”, just for the heck of it, jump to the link below and read. Yes, I know, it will probably stress you to no end to even attempt to look at it from somewhat of a different stand but really, what ya got to lose? Give it a shot.
        http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng

      • KG

        I didn’t call the Mormons a cult, it was conservative Christians just a few years ago. Besides, does it make you feel better when you wear your “Magic Underwear?” And do you have enough cans of Tuna fish in your pantry to qualify?

      • Sirian

        LOL!! Typical, typical by all means! Let’s see . . . “I didn’t call the Mormons a cult”. Yet you did say in your post above that “Romney is a member of a religious cult.” So just what is the religious cult that you are boldly, specifically, well understood referring to? Hummm, some new tree hugger religion that I’ve yet heard of? Or was your well hidden intent directed at, Oh My God. . . MORMONS!?!?!? Wait a sec, what did you just say, “I didn’t call the Mormons a cult, it was conservative Christians just a few years ago.” Oh, so now it’s diverted off to Conservative Christians? Uh, you mean the “cultish” type Evangelicals? Their SO much more Conservative, when spoke of, aren’t they?? Nope, can’t be that group since they don’t have “Magic Underwear”. This is so confusing as to what you’re really trying to say or specify. . . :) So who or what is it KG, come on, fill me in.

      • KG

        You know EXACTLY what I’m saying. It’s just your psyche that can’t accept the truth. “Cognitive Dissonance” which is what many people suffer from – especially those who have a vested interest in the current “Conservative Christian Community” who “claim” to follow Christ, and yet they wouldn’t recognize Him if they saw him.

      • Shane

        So your defense is! They’re doing it, so i can. Everybody is doing it, mom.

        KG, your premise even if it was correct, does not absolve you from doing what is right. So regardles of what conservatives do, what republicans do, leaves you no wiggle room from which “not” to do the right thing.

        One only has to study the typical liberal, to realize that the answers to civil society do not lie there. So KG, where do you stand on decency and civility?

        Just one question for you at this time. KG, how can a decent human being support someone, and vote for someone, that support and votes for the killing of a live baby that “HAS” been born, vible and laying on a cold stainless steel table, to die. We are not taking about abortion. We are talking about a baby with the cord cut, surviable, completely outside the womb. A baby. A live baby. What justification can you give for yourself and to those that support infanticide? I will take your non-reply as an admission that justification is not possible, and that infanticide is just what you believe in, and you accept and support those others that do.

      • KG

        Like the “smart bombs” in Iraq? Or when our soldiers aimed radar dishes at houses and “Microwaved” people alive? Which “baby’ is more important?

        There are two stories of infanticide in the Bible, and God never told anyone to stop it. Because God is going to have His plan anyway. That’s how he got to be God.

      • Shane

        KG, war is war. I suppose you wish to place more american service men in harm. Very patriotic of you. Remember, the service man does not make policy.
        Second, what others do or don’t do, absolve you from doing what is right. You have answer the question of infanticide and your support of it, by your reply and lack of denial. You KG are a murderer. Which cannot be justified by what others do or don’t do.
        Pity. Pity to be you KG. Must be icky to be in your skin.

      • Sirian

        Yes, I know exactly what you’re saying. LOL!! You can’t handle sarcasm can you KG? Especially if it’s directed at you. LOL!!! Now then, jump to the website I posted and read. I promise, it won’t give you warts or cause cancer. If you get a headache, take two aspirin and call Obummer in the morning.

      • eddie47d

        Shane since Romney and most of the other past presidential candidates advocated for more wars and were eager about it I think the shoe is on your foot. Romney has already gulped the kool aid from Israel and has let them call the shots. Will he be our President or that of Israel.

      • eddie47d

        I never understood Infanticide or the killing of a baby once born Shane. I didn’t approve of Herod allowing it or anyone in todays world. Yet I’m going to assume it is the mothers wish and the hospital has to go along with that wish.It may or may not be because of severe deformities and the child wouldn’t have survived anyway. I know the Republicans will never tell the whole truth about these matters and even modern medicines can’t cure all severe deformities. I’d like to hear more evidence about the killing of a healthy child who was born and left to die. (If their are really any cases like that within our hospital systems)

      • Melody

        Do you know any Mormons? I do–whenever I needed help they were there. Don’t believe what you hear, think for yourself that is if you can.

      • Carol J

        KG wrote that Romney was a member of a religious cult. Romney is a Mormon. Then he says he didn’t call the Mormons a cult. ??????? It’s obvious he can’t even remember what he says from one minute to the next.

      • Palin16

        KG, FYI…Harry Reid is also a Mormon.

      • http://emariaenterprises.wordpress.com emariaenterprises

        Eddie,
        You asked to see information on Dr’s allowing babies that had been born to die? Here’s a link to a story about a baby born in the UK. Under their National Health Care guidelines, they were not allowed to offer it any support, in spite of the Mother’s pleas. If it had been born Two days later, they would have helped it. It lived for two hours on it’s own before succumbing.

        http://www.lifenews.com/2009/09/09/int-1317/

    • Old Henry

      boo,they have to have a large tent. Horses asses take up a lot of room.

      • eddie47d

        It takes fewer elephants to fill up that same tent and they leave bigger messes!

      • Old Henry

        LOL! That’s a good one eddie.

        However, have you ever looked at the gathering areas after, say TEA Party folks leave, compared to, say, Soetoro’s inaguration? How many TONS of garbage did they leave behind?

      • Karolyn

        OH – I live 50 miles from Charlotte and get the Charlotte news on TV; and nowhere did I see mention of tons of garbage. All people were talking about is what a great thing it was for Charlotte. Also, a group of conservatives had planned a big concert thing, including Arpaio, but couldn’t sell enough tickets, so they had it under a tent.

      • Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        I would guess that the attendance problem was due to good Americans not wanting to be anywhere near that many anti-America, anti-God, pro-death communists.

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    The sewer that runs through the viens of the liberals is thier hope and try to change everyone to suit them. . we must spread the true problem out to be seen, then if they still buy into it ,so be it. Push for a complete open book on the Obummer commie , All his records , birth certificate on down. And read his (obummer care )rules ,laws, and all his Marxest control sceme,, publicly. The libs are satisfied ,as Nancy Polucy said ,just pass it ,then read it , . Any one that stupid is what has become of our country. Read the crap in his bill and if you still agree , you do not belong in america. Kenya yes but not America. How many continue to complain about the ones not paying thier fair share even stop and consider how many dont pay anything at all? That is the ones that produce nothing but kids for the paying half to feed to produce more to feed , for votes More than 50% . The other half have to carry the load . But that isn’t good enough. . With the mentality we’re faced with I’m fearful of our future. Commie . and the libs are enthusiasticly pushing for it….

    • eddie47d

      You must be one of those elephants in the room (err.. tent)! Did you fall out of bed this morning Gottaplenty or are you always this cranky?

  • Arthur Fonzarelli

    When I accidently stumbled upon the DNC while looking for the NY Giants-Dallas Cowboys game….all I see in the audience is people who want their ENTITLEMENTS and special interests groups…..Union thugs, gays, muslim-rights groups etc…

    If the dopey Republicans would stop proteting the uber-rich and worry more about WORKING Americans (who pay the taxes that allowed that Democrat in Tennessee to have 30 children with 11 different woman) they’d never lose another election.

    The Democrats are so socialist that the ‘poor’ in America have it better than working people….Democrats SUCK..

    • KG

      The audience at the Republican convention looked “human.” So, they all needed to take a crap that day. Hmm – I guess there were no selfish “special interest” groups there? How about the business people who want to destroy their Union competition – not through competition, but through the courts and legislature. Wow, sounds like they took the same tactic as the so called “liberals.”

      • Shane

        KG, KG, KG! All your previous talk about civility, and the lack of it on the right. Yet that is almost all that you do on your comment. It would seem that even if your premise is correct on the conservative, that you are right along in the sewer with them. Or maybe you just wish they were in the sewer with you. Lonely are we?

      • KG

        (Inappropriate comment removed)?

      • Vigilant

        How typical of the left to ask the famous loaded question. It’s their stock in trade.

      • Vigilant

        KGB once again reveals his communist roots with “How about the business people who want to destroy their Union competition – not through competition, but through the courts and legislature.”

        Two points:

        (1) Casting unions as “competition” with business is classic Marxist provocateurship.

        (2) Courts and legislatures are the legal means in this country for redressing ills. Do you have any respect for the Constitution?

      • eddie47d

        How come Vigilant didn’t comment on Arthur’s loaded comment? Far more decisive than KG’s. Play favorites much?

      • Vigilant

        Enlighten me, eddie, I don’t have the vaguest idea of what you’re talking about.

        Apparently you’ve never heard the phrase “loaded question.” It’s a question that is truly rhetorical because it contains an assumption that makes the answering of the question impossible. The question KG asked (and for the life of me I don’t know why it was removed) came from Lincoln’s famous courtroom story as I recall.

        It is impossible to answer that question (“have you stopped beating your wife?”) without incriminating yourself.

        Now, a “loaded comment” is a construction in English I’ve never heard. Perhaps you can refer me to the particular lexicon from which you gleaned that one.

      • eddie47d

        Hmmm! Arthur Fonzarelli’s comment a wee bit above yours and KG’s . Not sure how you missed it!

  • Cari Solo

    You all should support Obama and let your children afford an education so in the future they wont sound as stupid and ignorant as you all.

    • Warrior

      “and let your children afford an education” What is that suppose to mean?

      • Sirian

        Warrior,
        I believe she’s referring to a better form of, shall we say, “statism”. You know, standard issue Obummer (anti-colonialist) socialism. She’s been very well indoctrinated, without question.

    • Vigilant

      Cari Solo has not a scintilla of an idea when it comes to education. Get this straight: Obama and the socialist minions want to make “education” more affordable to the masses for ONE reason only.

      That reason: because they know that education died some time ago in this country, thanks in large part to their own efforts. Schools are in place for one mission: to program the children to become good little socialists who despise Capitalism and will vote Democrat.

      • Sirian

        Vigilant,
        True, very much so. Cari Solo is quite openly a prime example of the rewards they’ve strived for. Refreshing, isn’t it?

  • http://yahoo jeff

    What do U expect from obummer? He has never had a real paying job untill now, and no EXPERENCE, I say send him back to muslum land period

    • KG

      Anyone who calls OUR president a “muslim” is retarded or inbred so much that their family tree is a stick! Stop stroking your gun and put your bible back on top of the toilet. Wipe the bar-b-cue off your face and turn down the NASCAR race on the tv. Jerry Springer is NOT a good example of learning about family relations!

      • Shane

        KG, KG, KG. Have you always had a problem getting along with others. It seems like your issues are long term and deep.

      • KG

        There were two Cajuns walking across a bridge. One needed to piss, so he leaned over and said “Man, dat watter is cold.” Then his buddy leaned over and said “….and it’s deep too!”

      • Old Henry

        Sounds like you are a racist profiler KG. I thought you people were against labels.

        Oh, by the way, the communist foreign national criminal Kenyan is a Muslim. Time to make that popping sound KG.

      • Vigilant

        KG, there are too many comedians out of work already. Don’t quit your day job.

      • KG

        I told you to turn down the NASCAR race on the tv. And BTW I am a “coonass.”
        Also known as a Cajun. There’s nothing wrong with a label – just so long as It accurately reflects what It is representing. You see, “Republican” used to mean one who supported the Republic, or representative form of government. But now, it means support for Business over working people, more welfare for Business and more misery for working people. And Libertarians are no better. There is a clear choice this election – Rich, business types get what they want, and working folks keep quiet, go to work, and pay your taxes.

      • Vigilant

        A commie Cajun…well, that’s a new one.

      • Vigilant

        “You see, “Republican” used to mean one who supported the Republic, or representative form of government. But now, it means support for Business over working people, more welfare for Business and more misery for working people.”

        Revise that as follows: “You see, “Democrat” used to mean one who supported the Republic, or representative form of government. But now, it means support for unions, the lazy, the indolent and the avaricious over working people, more welfare for those same people and more misery for everyone.”

        There, that’s just about right.

      • KG

        Democrat may refer to:A proponent of democracy,
        Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.

        Plutocracy (from Ancient Greek πλοῦτος, ploutos, meaning “wealth”, and κράτος, kratos, meaning “power, dominion, rule”), also known as plutarchy, is rule by the wealthy, or power provided by wealth.

        You tell me what government Republicans support and which one Democrats support?

      • Vigilant

        “Democrat may refer to: A proponent of democracy,
        Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.”

        This is like shooting fish in a barrel. You don’t have a clue as to the meanings of words you bandy about.

        Neither the Founders nor the Democratic-Republican (anti-Federalist) Party that came later EVER envisioned a democracy for the USA. They gave us a Constitutional Republic, and for good reason. The natural course of democracy, the Founders knew, resulted in a government where politicos would pander to the greed of the masses for votes only, thereby suborning the nation’s interest to only the self-interest of the politicians and “takers” in society.

        It has been the tendency, under progressive pressures born in the early 20th century, to “democratize” this nation. The natural outcome of that accelerated process is now dominant.

        “You tell me what government Republicans support and which one Democrats support?”

        My sentiments are as a Conservative Constitutionalist, neither Democrat nor Republican. BOTH have been guilty of plutocratic tendencies, and both have squandered the blood and treasure of this nation for their own greed. The Democrats will undoubtedly take us to Perdition faster than the Republicans, it’s just a matter of time.

        YOUR answer, more in line with the Dems, is the socialist Utopia which never was and never can be. Your profound misunderstanding of the Constitution, along with other socialists, results in positions that are precisely the wrong direction.

      • eddie47d

        It’s odd Vigilant how you step over each other and accept the authors humor and take turns bashing the opposition because of it. Yet when the “opposition” throws a little humor out there you all freak out. So telling!

      • BUTCH

        OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. A MUSLIM, A MUSLIM, A MUSLIM. THAT’S RIGHT KG A MUSLIM !!!!

      • KG

        Those of you who claim to be “constitutionalists” have never read the constitution. That’s a code word for “plutocratic bootlickers.”

      • Vigilant

        eddie says, “It’s odd Vigilant how you step over each other and accept the authors humor and take turns bashing the opposition because of it. Yet when the “opposition” throws a little humor out there you all freak out. So telling!”

        Odd, eddie? I think not. You might want to take a gander at KG’s ad hominem stereotypical insults at the top of that thread before you start talking about “humor.”

        Besides, if you can tell me what a Cajun’s penis length has to do with anything relating to this site, I’ll stop hurling the ad hominems myself.

      • Vigilant

        KG says, “Those of you who claim to be “constitutionalists” have never read the constitution. That’s a code word for “plutocratic bootlickers.”

        Sometimes it’s a joy to watch the desperation of the fact-challenged lefties as they begin to melt down. That’s what you get for testing the depth of the water with both feet at the same time.

      • Old Henry

        “coonass”??! Holy Cow KG! Yer gonna have Revie Jack sun and the racist Shaprton chasin’ ya down!

        I bet you don’t need to read the sub-titles on that History Channel show where dey hunts alligaters.

        The word for the day boys & girls: coonass.

      • eddie47d

        This site can be one constent stereotypical insult to the senses on any given day Vigilant. Besides there are more than pickles that get thrown over the bridge.

      • Carol J

        You? A Cajun? I doubt it. Cajun is the corruption of Acadian, the French who were thrown out of Canada because they were Catholic. Not all were Catholic though. My family was Protestant, and only went as far as Michigan. The Catholics pretty much migrated to Louisiana, and I have known several and worked for and with them. “Coon-ass” is not a Cajun description. It is a slur used on Creoles.

      • Old Henry

        Carol:

        I’m guessing that you can understand what they are saying when ever they speak…

  • Yukonjack

    Obama talks about finishing what he started. How many of you really know what that is? His admitted goal is to turn this country into a socialist pit based on the principles of Marxism where theoretically no one has more than anyone else. If you work, you share with those who can’t or more importantly, won’t. Raise the taxes on the rich, that’s all you hear from him. OK, let’s say that happens. What then? That won’t put the slightest dent in this huge debt he’s created. Next up… Raise taxes on the middle class and finally on the poor then hand it out in entitlements. Why work at all. The dem idiots in congress have been drinking the Obama kool aid for so long now, they are blind to the reality of what he’s trying to do. But I guess they can always blame Bush or Reagan, can’t they.

    • KG

      I actually blame all of those idiots who keep falling for the “…but, one day I’ll be rich, so I don’t want to pay ANY taxes – I want it ALL!”
      Just admit to yourself that you ARE in a “socialist” Democracy, stop complaining about “illegal aliens” stealing the jobs you don’t want. Vote your pocketbook, not your “faith.” Realize that we are ALL in this together. See the true “evil” in the world – Selfish, rich, greedy, old white guys.

      • Shane

        Do as KG does. Support infanticide. KG is such a respectible individual. KG supports the killing of a live, born, viable baby. Laying on a hospital table, to be killed directly or by neglect. Lets all be like KG.

      • Vigilant

        KGB: “See the true “evil” in the world – Selfish, rich, greedy, old white guys.”

        Ah, the usual palaver from the communists. And these union lackeys will always deny the communist roots of labor unions. And, as always, they bite the hand that feeds them.

      • KG

        I don’t deny the communist roots of the Labor Movement. It’s just many people confuse that with Communism. You see communism is in the Constitution – “We, the People…” And “…our common welfare….” However, Communism as a form of government is a failure. Mostly because of our Human tendency to want power and influence. However, If your a Christian, you are looking forward to the most perfect communist enclave – Heaven.

      • Vigilant

        Unbelievably, KGB says, “You see communism is in the Constitution – “We, the People…” And “…our common welfare….”

        ROFLMAO!

        Yes, we all know that the Founders wanted to create a government that owns the means of production(!). You’re not just a commie, you’re certifiable.

        ANYONE who hasn’t been subjected to the programming of government-owned schools knows that the Constitution was developed, among other things, to PRESERVE our differences, not guarantee equal outcomes.

        Moreover, the Creator-endowed Natural Law right of private property ownership was ESSENTIAL to our system of government. You need to read the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, sonny.

        Jefferson’s iteration of Natural Law in the Declaration was the very foundation of the Constitution. Locke even went so far as to say that the MAIN purpose of civil government is to PROTECT private property.

      • KG

        What in Nature gives you the right to property? Other than the use of your own force to acquire it. And did you acquire it in a vacuum? Or like they said about G.H.W Bush “…he was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.”

        We are all in this together. You. Me. Them. The sooner we realize that, the better it will be. But, of course, you have an Apocalyptic outlook, so, why even bother?

      • eddie47d

        Most Christians strongly believe in doing right yet some Christians eagerly await the end of the world and purposely support those who take all the wealth and bring down environment ruin. (get their share before Armageddon happens) I don’t think God would approve of their behavior and might even lock the door on them when they attempt to enter the Pearly Gates.

      • Vigilant

        KG’s complete and abject misunderstanding of the basis upon which this country was founded would seem to be the outcome of public so-called “education.”

        He/she says, “What in Nature gives you the right to property? Other than the use of your own force to acquire it. And did you acquire it in a vacuum?”

        You might want to get smart and read a little John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, the Federalist Papers, or take a “Constitution for Dummies” course. It’s obvious you don’t have a clue. As I said, respect for private property is the absolute foundation of our government.

        Natural Law as explained by Locke (Second Treatise on Civil Gonernment) indicates that we obtain the rights to property by our labors. We take what Nature offers in the raw, and apply our talents and abilities, as well as physical labor, to obtain it.

        Civil governments are established to protect that property from the very “force to acquire it” by others. As a side note, Jefferson took from Locke the words “life, liberty and property” in his famous statement, revising it to “pursuit of happiness” only to prevent slaveholders from claiming an unalienable right to slaves as property.

        KG Marx then says, “We are all in this together. You. Me. Them. The sooner we realize that, the better it will be.”

        Well, fine then, the money you make (property acquired by your labors) should be redistributed to the masses. Now, you may voluntarily do this at any time, but for government to tell me I must do so is repugnant to everything upon which this nation was founded.

        Then, “But, of course, you have an Apocalyptic outlook, so, why even bother?”

        I am not a Christian. I have no such outlook. You know what they say about ASSuming, don’t you?

      • KG

        Dont tell your buddies at the shooting range you are not christian, they might use you for target practice.
        So, you must be an Ayn Rand sycophant?

      • Vigilant

        “Dont [sic] tell your buddies at the shooting range you are not christian [sic], they might use you for target practice.
        So, you must be an Ayn Rand sycophant?”

        Two points, oh ignorant one:

        (1) You find it more suitable to adopt the Alinsky method of ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the subject matter of the thread? It’s a shame when you prove someone wrong that they revert to the tactics of a fourth grader. How about replying to my comments? Cat got your tongue?

        (2) I am not an atheist. And what religious persuasion do you hold, if any? Show me yours and I’ll show you mine.

      • KG

        Ad Hominem attacks are purely for the entertainment value. I am perfectly aware of “political” theory. I understand the concept of “private property.” However, just as i said, these things don’t happen in a vacuum.
        If you earned some “property” from a forest, for example, you feel the need to claim it all for yourself. You acquired it, you possess it, and you took the energy to make it. That’s all fine and dandy. However, when you wish to acquire more, you expect the forest to still be there. But the forest is gone. Someone else came and got it before you did. Gee, maybe if I paid someone to watch the forest, then when I want some more it will be there. Unfortunately, I would have to give him some of my property in exchange for that.
        You don’t get nothing for free. And that includes Government. I have to exchange some of my property for someone to help protect what I have. I CANNOT DO IT ALONE. I “give up” my right to violence to another entity – The government – so I can live in peace.
        Ronald Regan said the worst words you will hear is “I’m from the Government, and I here to help.” how many people in New Orleans after Katrina would have LOVED to hear those words. The next tornado that touches down in “flyover” country shouldn’t get any of my money cause I earned it. Screw those Americans who supply our occupying military with fresh bodies. I earned it, I should keep it.

  • Marilyn

    Ben: I loved your skit today. Keep up the good work – in these troubled times, we all need a good laugh.

  • RT

    Your clown junior college must be incredibly proud. Maybe even your parents. Maybe. If you know who they are and they still talk to you.

  • http://yahoo Salty Sailor

    Obama is great at taking credit for things that others do. It has been said watch what Obama dose not what he say’s . In the past 3+ years i now know that statement to be true. ( EXAMPLE ) I got Bin Loden no the Navy Seals got him not you Bush made it possible by a method called water boarding , you called that torture but you ran with the onfo you got from it. , Bush made that happen not you! In fact what you did in the last 3+ years is very little and not really enough for you to ask the people of the U.S for anther term. with Mr Obama can guess what you would do with that.

    • KG

      At the end of WW2, german soldiers were running towards the Americans because they knew they would be treated relatively well. But they ran from the Russians because they knew they would be tortured. So, I wonder how much good intelligence has been lost due to Americas decision to torture?

    • eddie47d

      Good call KG and Salty Sailor if Bush did so good and aligned all the stars in capturing Bin Laden then how come he didn’t do it in his 8 year term? Now if he had killed or captured Bin Laden then he would be given credit in doing so just as Obama did under his term.

      • Jim Stradling

        Really eddie? We got Bin Laden? Do we really know this as fact? I sincerely hope that our government is telling us the truth here, but seriously, if your child came to you with such a story would it not be suspect? Let’s see: Seal Team Six (God Bless You!!!) Slip into Pakistan (not our friends regardless of how much bribery, er ah, financial aid), with three hellicopters, (quiet little birds), blow one up in the process, storm Bin Ladens compound shooting everybody in sight. Blow up the bad guy because he refuses to be taken alive. Grab his bloodied body and some terrosist secret documents and fly off to an awaiting ship, take a photo op, then honor this vilian with a “customary arab” Burial at Sea. Wait, it gets better. Before even examining the intellagence obtained in this raid we go on national TV and break our arm patting ourselves on the back making anything we obtained useless. There’s more; Within a couple weeks a number of the members of Seal Team Six (RIP), are blown out of the midnight sky by a rogue terrorist while on a rescue mission that should have never taken place. Within 24 hours we have a confirmed kill on “the man” who fired the pocket rocket killing our brave men of Seal Team Six. Wow!!! Sounds a bit like “the dog ate my homework”.

  • no one

    . A really good book on the whole thing is Jim Marrs “Rise of the Fourth Reich”. It tracks history to back before WWII, up to 2007, when it was published. I don’t much care for history books, as I find them boring, but this book was fabulous. It isn’t written in typical fashion, and it connects what happened back then right up to today. He goes into so much that we see right now, including things like flouride. Did you know the Nazis fed it to prisoners to keep them managable? Or that Bayer was a subsidiary of a German chemical company called IG Farben, and that they held the patent on Zyklon B, the gas Germany used in the “showers”? Oh yeah, there was LOTS of ‘talent’ brought over here at the end of the war, a lot more than just Werner Von Braun, and Marrs documents what he writes about.You may not like what you learn, but at least you’ll know what happened, and it goes a lot deeper than what the American public was fed by the mass media.
    There are estimates that well over 150 thousand Nazis were brought over ‘under the table’, some of them those who were found not guilty at the Nuremberg trials, and some who just flat escaped into the wind.
    Hitlers Reich was the third, and Marrs names this book as he did for a very good reason.
    Without knowledge of the past, what we see happening in America today seems like insanity, until you realize it’s a path that was laid out at least a hundred years ago.
    “Our” media has been owned pretty much from the get go. Like the song says, “When they own the information, they can twist it any way they want.” Look up David Rockefellers book, “Memoirs”. In it, you’ll see a quote from him thanking the media for keeping the secrets of him and his buddies for the past forty years. The book was published about ten years ago, so that takes what he was referring to back fifty years from today.

  • jewel4america

    There’s nothing like a little hot sarcasm dribbled over a very large bowl of ”demoncrap”…. yummy ….

    thanks.. I really needed a good laugh… GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • uvuvuv

    i didn’t watch but it sounds like the dems were trying to hold onto the voters they have instead of reaching out to voters they have to convince. obama’s speech reportedly attacked the repubs, which isn’t a good way to invite them over. he should have enunciated a vision of a wonderful future, where discouraged people can take heart, there will be better days. this would attract those voters who aren’t sure yet. but he can still win if the dems all vote because they seem to be the majority. but if the dems slack off then they will need the independents and cross-over repubs. but this isn’t likely, so that’s why they brought on sandra fluke, to remind the libertines who is watching out for their vaginal needs. in years past they wouldn’t even let her in the freight elevator, but now she’s an honored guest. so in effect the dems have given up on the evangelicals, and in this vein are promoting gay marriage because they have nothing to lose. a problem for them also was that clinton deliberately upstaged obama, he irresponsibly hyped their energy to a level that couldn’t possibly be exceeded or even matched the following night. there were 3 embarrassments: God, jerusalem and the moving obama’s speech from the 78,000 seat bank of america stadium to the 20,000 seat indoor arena, because of the “weather.” now you don’t need to actually fill the stadium seat by seat, if you just have 40,000 they can spread out and still look like an avalanche. so i think the dnc was facing trouble even getting that many in and so they moved it inside.

  • Jimmy Pat

    “Attacking” a Republican these days is as simple as stating facts. hahaha.

  • Robert Smith

    Obama would never make it in the Business World … success is measured by results … leadership is measured on how ones’ executes their responsibilities … in the Business World people are held accountable for their out comes/results … Obama would have been let go a long time ago.

    • jopa

      Robert;We haven’t had a businessman President in almost four years.Yah the guy that drove us off the cliff, Dubya.The guy sleeping on the job when we were attacked on 9/11 and couldn’t find the guy that did it.The guy that gave oh so much to Wall Street, Haliburton, Iran Iraq,and was responsible for the death of thousands of Americans,hundreds of thousands of men women and children overseas.Then his brother Jebb comes on TV and tells us not to talk about the Dallas Devil.He wants us to forget about all those crimes against humanity so he can have a better chance at the Presidency. We must keep this fresh in everyones mind so as not to repeat this mistake and Romney is on track to do just that.

      • http://naver samurai

        SSDD, eh jopa? OMG! I can agree with Rob Smith on something. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Palin16

        The Dallas Devil….would that be Lyndon B. Johnson?

  • Palin16

    The five founding fathers according to Obummer: Frank Marshall Davis (communist activist), Bill Ayers (terrorist), Edward Said (anti-Zionist professor at Columbia), the most Rev.Jeremiah Wright (God damn America), and Brazilian communist professor Roberto Unger.

  • swampfox

    Question for yall,anybody seen 2016 yet?
    is it any good and does it have anything in it I don’t know,I have been watching this moron for foir yrs now and have researched a lot on him.
    I have heard its pretty good,anybody care to give me a heads up before I drop twenty bucks for me and another to go see it.

    • Palin16

      swampfox, yes I’ve seen 2016 Obama movie. I liked it a lot. The theater was packed and people behind me were gasping at some of the revelations such as all the marxists and communists that Barry has associated with…such as Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, rev. Jeremiah Wright, and all of Obummer’s marxist professors at Columbia and Harvard. An important point is made to show how Barry will disarm the US during a second term, while doing nothing to stop Iran from increasing theirs.

      • Palin16

        PS There is also an interview with George Obama, Barry’s half-brother in Kenya who makes $1 a month but receives no assistance from Barrack.

  • http://persona;lliberty Brandi

    romeny/ryan 2012

    • Palin16

      I agree. Romney was not my first choice but we need to get the communist dictator out of office before he destroys everything that makes America great.

  • Roger

    Obama is so out of touch with reality! Anyone that thinks he can straightened out his own mess I have a piece of ocean front property in Arizona to sell. After nearly 4 years as President what do we really know about him other than he is either delusional or his ego is that large, Or maybe he is smarter than we think using the UN to mandate small arms, Yea they want to take my bird gun! The difference between democracy and tyranny is who has the guns, In reality my thoughts not anyone else is that was the plan if Obama and Hillary all along as they both want complete control. I swore to myself that I did not vote the last election for my health issues so in a way I blame myself for not doing my obligation to vote, Do not worry that is taken care of and I will not vote for Obama and Romney is not an ideal choice but the only one we have, If we vote for a third party that only decreases the vote for Romney. And there is no way this country can survive four more years of him. I just found out one day last week that the State of Illinois has not increased the pay even though they agreed to the increases and now it is time for another contract, Not only have they not paid as agreed but have not paid one penny for overtime. To say the least I was infuriated and my language did not belong here, As I have a sister in law and a son in law that are both affected, We need a Harry Truman that will make a decision and if it is wrong take the blame for it, But try something and not sit there and do nothing, I have said this many times I probably would have voted for Obama and that vote may have been my last as if elected it will become a tyranny not a democracy, Believe me how many times that Hillary is the only one that has balls sorry ladies and all she wants is more power, A new President can stop that.

  • Rick

    I thought the subject title of this email looked familiar. And I saw the paragraph beneath the video.

  • Charles Bill L.

    Ben is a real cool guy.

  • TerriG

    Why would anyone want this. It’s not only mocking and childish, it’s badly done.

  • http://yahoo.com organicroseski2

    Ben Crystal is funny; but, I wish the political situation was different and he was really joking. With so many peoples head in movies 24, music 24, sand 24; more people need to hear him. His video is better than Dave Letterman‘s jokes by 140%. Also, Ben Crystal is “right on.”

  • http://PersonalLiberty Vickie

    I want to say that really you would have to blame several presidents for the economy.Bush Jr.,Bill Clinton & Obama. By the way I forgot somebody Bush Sr. Mr.New World Order himself. Thank you for destroying America! We once was a Republic & now we are a democracy.

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