The Debate Is Over

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Last Friday afternoon, a group of people described by CBS News’ San Francisco bureau as “dozens of undocumented immigrants and immigrants’ rights advocates” rallied to successfully stop a bus. Now, given the nature of most “undocumented immigrants and immigrants’ rights advocates,” I’m left wondering why the bus bothered to stop. Nonetheless, the bus did stop; and its cargo of criminals was delayed in reaching its ultimate destination south of the border.

Stories like this one spur many people to wonder about the state of our border security. I should point out that stories like this one ought to spur many to recognize that meaningful border security is — to put a fine point on it — done like dinner. There was a time when people who deliberately assisted criminals in the commission of a crime were known as “accomplices.” Now, they’re “undocumented immigrants and immigrants’ rights advocates.” Kids, we’re parsing words in order to avoid offending the delicate feelings of people who are brazenly flouting the law just by being here. From where I sit, the point at which actually securing the border was still a possibility has disappeared behind the horizon.

Here’s how CBS San Francisco reported the human blockade: “[D]ozens of undocumented immigrants and immigrants’ rights advocates… blocked what was believed to be a bus carrying immigrants to be deported.”

And here’s how CBS should have reported the human blockade: “Assisted by accomplices, dozens of illegal aliens attempted to block what was believed to be a bus carrying other illegal aliens to be deported. They were promptly arrested, shackled, bundled onto the same bus and given free transportation to Tijuana.”

There is no debate over border security. At least, there is no longer a debate over border security that is worth having. With stories like the one above, the only question I have left is this: How do I say “Bartender, two fingers of scotch over ice, please” in Spanish?

–Ben Crystal

Personal Liberty

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • lokiswife

    If you are black, an illegal immigrant, Muslim or atheist, you don’t commit crimes. They are just little “misunderstandings”, “a few teenagers out of control” or some other whitewashed statement. If you are white and you call someone an unpolitically correct name or otherwise give someone some sass about their lifestyle or their ethnicity, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!

    • Doc Sarvis

      Your statement is COMPLETELY baseless.

      • youcanthavemyfreedom

        Apparently you’ve been living under a rock

        • Doc Sarvis

          Apparently, you are a fan of blanket statements with no basis in truth.

          • youcanthavemyfreedom

            No sir, I don’t rely on the mainstream media. I do my own research.

          • jibbs3

            And you sit there in front on that computer, a tool you could use to find the truth and cut thru the lie’s and bullsh!t comming from D.C. and the MSM.

            I’m thinking that you find that to be too much like work and still you jump at every word, hoot or holler they say and you obay them like a good little socialist.
            What an indoctrunated fool.
            P.S. That bus full of illegals should have made it’s stop at the WhiteHouse and the second pick up should have been the illegal they hired to answer the phone for obamacare.

        • Average_Joe56

          It just wasn’t a big enough rock…he managed to wiggle free…….
          :(

      • janna

        Doc Sarvis
        it also shows a certain mindset,closed and simplistic
        they listen for 10 seconds to the likes of
        Sarah Palin,Michele Bachmann,Louie Gohmert,etc,etc,etc
        then believe something very profound was said
        and buy it “Hook Line & Sinker”
        after that they spread the word,and fight anybody who disagree

  • James Bowen

    We have to do whatever it takes to stop this amnesty sellout of America. Never give up!

  • MargaretJacobson

    I read years ago when Mexicans first came illegally to the USA president Eisenhower used the military to round them and deport them ! Why can’t this be done now? Why did our floundering, crazy government invite them here anyway ? I know for welfare!

  • hippybiker

    If you tried to pull crap like that in Mexico, the Federal Police would Machine Gun you down in the street.

    • Toy Pupanbai

      DHS has the hardware. Why don’t they do a bit of ‘Security’ work for a change?

  • Quester55

    When you Elect a Fuhrer that Calls, ” Good EVIL & EVIL GOOD ” What would you expect from a Bunch of<" I L L E G A L S " To Do Except " BREAK the LAWS ?" !!

  • dan

    en Español: dos dedos de whisky con hielo…although we’ll get rid of all of ’em when they have to pay for Zerocare…unless he already exempted them,sigh

    • jibbs3

      Thats correct, illegals are exempt. The correct wording they used was undocumented worker on the IRS form.

  • Al Chemist

    That border to the south is as open as it has ever been. Terrorists carrying a backpack with a nuke or biological weapons could easily cross. Coming soon to a mall or city near you?

    • Krazy Kenny Krinsky

      It is hard to fathom that since 9/11 it still has not been closed…remember 3 of those Jihadists came here across that border & Hezbollah is working in Mexico with the drug lords right now. I

    • jibbs3

      Nice place for military sniper training, a great deterent.

  • Mike

    I’ve got a better idea than sending them back…keep em here andsend all politicians out of the country.

  • rbrooks

    the author is the reason this will never stop. the border is not the problem.

    go after those that hire them. take their money. seize their business. put the employer(s) in jail.

    stop giving them social services.

    and this will no longer be a problem.

    • FUK FACE HARRY

      You are 100% correct, I’ve been saying that for years…..also, besides illegals there are probably over 2 million visa overstayers still here, some of them have even tried to blow up themselves & others & still the govt. does nothing!!

      • rbrooks

        the govt does what the public allows them. the author is not demanding we change the way we grant work visas. or the easy access an immigrant has to social services.

        • Vigilant

          “the govt does what the public allows them.”

          Where have you been the last few decades? The public does what the government allows them.

  • rivahmitch

    THe bus should have simply run over those “bumps in the road”.

    • Doc Sarvis

      There’s that Christian America I hear so much about.

      • Adolf Schmidt

        Christianity has been all but outlawed by the same people that expect people to act like Christians in these cases.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Seriously??? There are more churches than ever and so many on this site claim that our country is based on Christian principals.

          • Adolf Schmidt

            You can not pray openly in the military, yes I’m serious. I don’t know what rock you live under, but ever form of public expression of Christianity is frowned upon or prohibited.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Total B.S.
            First of all, prayer is not just speaking out loud. Most people know that they can pray within themselves without uttering a sound so ANYONE can pray whenever they want to, including those in the military.
            Secondly, you can’t get much more public in your expression of your faith than going to church and participating worship services – completely open to the public.
            Finally, as I said first; prayer is not just speaking out loud. It includes one’s good deeds/actions like feeding the poor, giving aid to the sick/injured, helping those in need. -It certainly IS NOT running people over with a bus.-

          • Vigilant

            “First of all, prayer is not just speaking out loud.”

            Now Sarvis wants to revise the First Amendment. For what part of “nor prohibit the free exercise thereof” do you need clarification?

          • Adolf Schmidt

            That would be great if that is what the Bible asked of you. The Bible asks it’s followers to be open and spread the word. It’s a little hard to do that if you are praying silently or if you are at church, where Christians go to gather. To do the biding of Jesus Christ, you must confess to the world, not silently or just in church.

          • janna

            Adolph Schmidt
            Jesus also said
            render therefore unto Caesar the things which are
            Caesar’s . Matthew 22:21
            I believe the public square’s are just that
            if however everybody from all possible religions proclaim
            there beliefs out loud in the public square
            where would all us non believers go???
            by all means all ye go to your houses of worship
            and sing your little heart’s out
            I believe ( say it ain’t so ) there is a separation of Church and State
            freedom of religion also means freedom from religion

          • Adolf Schmidt

            He also said ” Go forth and multiply” and to spread the good news, and if any was to reject you, to wipe the dust from your feet. A Christian is not supposed to keep their salvation hidden, it is to be shared with all that is willing to listen. That is part of being a Christian. Separation of church and state was man’s doing, so be it. I quoted the exact same verse as you just did, last week, but when the government tells soldiers they have to hide to pray, or when they tell people they can only exercise their religious freedom behind closed doors, that’s religious repression.

          • Vigilant

            “freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.”

            Not according to the Constitution, my friend.

            “…nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.”

            “if however everybody from all possible religions proclaim
            there beliefs out loud in the public square where would all us non believers go???”

            You are free to remain in the square or go elsewhere, just like everybody else is free to do so.

          • Average_Joe56

            “if however everybody from all possible religions proclaim
            there beliefs out loud in the public square
            where would all us non believers go???”

            Anywhere you want…including that “public square” ….and proclaim your disbelief. That is your right, just as proclaiming our belief is our right.

            Do I detect a bit of hypocrisy?

            By your reasoning…since many of us don’t agree with homosexuals…they should not be allowed to “flaunt” their immoral lifestyles in public…. Nor should “illegal” aliens” be allowed to protest in pubic…or anyone else for that matter….someone may be offended…..or do your rules only apply to that which you don’t want to hear and see?

            Maybe, you weak minded liberals should grow thicker skins?

            I am offended by many things in life…the difference is…I have tolerance for other’s rights…..I don’t cry and whine like a child that my feelings were hurt or that I am somehow offended. I don’t need the government to restrict their “rights” because I am offended….I grew up, became an adult. You folks have remained infantile in your thought processes….and this isn’t “Neverland”…time to grow up!

            You are offended? Your feelings were hurt? Get over yourself…cry me a river. Do anything you want…with the exception of trying to tell me when and where I must acknowledge my God, my savior or my faith.

            While you are entitled to your opinions….you are not however, entitled to MY rights. If you think otherwise, come see me for an attitude adjustment. I would be happy to teach you the error of your ways.

            As for your “separation of church and state….please enlighten us all on where that appears in the Constitution….We will be patiently waiting.

            I do find in plain view these words from that document…

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
            Please take note of the first statement…..

            Education is a wonderful thing…seek some out.

            Where will you go?….I think we all know where you are going……. and it doesn’t look pleasant.

          • Adolf Schmidt

            Janna, you just quoted Jesus, the same man that preached to the masses in public. Jesus did not hide to pray or whisper. You ,as a non believer, may go and speak where you see fit. That is what this Country was built upon. Grant Christians the same courtesy.

          • Average_Joe56

            Janna is not the sharpest bowling ball in the alley…… the obvious eludes……him/her/it…whatever…..
            (just an observation)
            ;)

          • jibbs3

            Everyday I speak/pray to God from my milk tanker asking for a save trip and no collisions with idiot drivers texting, deer or otherwise, I talk to him outside, in public, in my pasture or wherever I want or need too, day or night.
            I even ask for rain when we need it or to please close the valve because we have to much, and to please watch over those who need it.
            I’ve even asked him to save us and our country from the out of control dimwits in D.C.

          • Adolf Schmidt

            I also was a truck driver, and your days sounded so much like many of my own.

          • Average_Joe56

            “Total B.S.”
            We wouldn’t expect anything else from you Doc….it is after all, the only thing you have to offer.

          • Karolyn

            Those who LIVE their prayer are the REAL Christians.

          • Hoosier Daddy

            AS, you are right & as usual, Doc has no clue here….the most persecuted people in the world are Christians, & Obummer, supposedly a Christian himself (HAHAHA), has done all he could to stifle them in USA…heck the homos & Muslims have more rights now & more support of federal govt, for Christians have to worry about being charged with a hate crime if they say homos are living in darkness, etc..but when they have their Pride Parades, (which are like virtual porno movies), they can show Mary in a bikini or Jesus in bondage & never worry about a hate crime. & It is an open fact that our govt. fed & state & military has been kissing the Muslims butts for years, even before OBOZO was in charge…witness the worst case of Ft. Hood shooter, who should have been tried for treason!!

            As Ben Stein has said, The death of God in the public square is the worst thing that has ever happened to this nation. The Founders never meant that people & pols could not talk about God & spirituality & how it informs their opinions, words & actions. The PC secular humanists have taken over

          • janna

            Doc Sarvis
            and yet they feel themselves to be the most prosecuted
            minority in the world
            “we”have taken “God”out of governance
            hence all the ills that has befallen the USA
            that’s why they feel it necessary at all cost to take “back”their country
            before “God”shows his/her displeasure once again
            to them freedom means living under the rule of “God”
            and only then can we all be happy little campers

          • youcanthavemyfreedom

            You’re wrong, this country was FOUNDED on Christian principals (difference) and remained that way for over 200 years. The liberal “progressives” have done everything within their power to destroy those principals including stepping all over the majority of those who feel differently. If you’re speaking about individuals then yeah, the majority still have Christian principals. If you’re speaking about the government or those who want their 5 minutes of fame then Christianity is evil and should be eradicated.

          • Vigilant

            Yes, seriously.

            Adolf Schmidt was not talking about the foundation of the country, he was commenting on the drive by secularists like yourself who would debase and remove that very foundation.

            Progressive secular influences are on the rise, not waning, and anyone with a normal intelligence can see it..

          • Average_Joe56

            “Seriously??? ”

            Yes Doc, seriously.

            “There are more churches than ever”

            What does that even mean? Anyone can build a building and call it a church, that does not make it a “House of God”.

            Hint: If it is a 503c non profit…it isn’t a “House of God”…it is simply…a tax exempt corporation….who gets that status by following the orders and doctrines of it’s master….the tax collector.

            Matthew 6:24

            “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”

            Oh ye of little thought and morals…………

            Doc, what you lack in intelligence…you definitely make up for in ignorance…or stupidity.

            In Bible times the people came from all over to worship in the temple at Jerusalem. So, foreign currency exchange was needed as it is in many countries today. The money changers were taking advantage and becoming rich by shortchanging the patrons with the rates they gave. Jesus became angry at this practice and we can see His frustration in this passage.

            Matthew 21:12-17

            12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
            13 “It is written,” he said to them, ” ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.'”
            14 The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them.
            15 But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they were indignant.
            16 “Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him.
            “Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read,
            ” ‘From the lips of children and infants
            you have ordained praise’?”
            17 And he left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night.

          • Vis Fac

            “For whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian Nation” Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Sotoro

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • rivahmitch

        You do realize that “bumps in the road” is how your Kenyan marxist buddy described the 4 Americans who were murdered in Benghazi?

        • jibbs3

          And Doc goe’s silent.

          • Vis Fac

            You cannot defend what is indefensible!!

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • Vigilant

        …and there’s that progressive Sarvis again with his crocodile tears.

        • jibbs3

          I thought by now he would have dried up and blew away along with 47d.

      • Vis Fac

        “For what ever we once were we re no longer a Christian nation” Barack Hussein Obama

        Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.- Ronald Reagan

        We are never defeated unless we give up on God.
        Ronald Reagan

        Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of
        law under God is acknowledged. Ronald Reagan

        If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then
        we will be a nation gone under. Ronald Reagan

        Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.- Ronald Reagan

        The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Karolyn

          Christianity does not have a monopoly on God.

          • Vis Fac

            Gee Ya Think?? Christianity has the monopoly on Jesus Christ God’s son. America was founded on Judeo Christian values.

            Stop trying to be a KEFT you merely show us what you don’t know !!!

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            You just love showing your vast knowledge by using words most people would not know the meaning of, don’t you?
            Actually, America was founded on UNIVERSAL values.
            And, no, Christianity does not have a monopoly on our brother, Jesus. He is revered by all religions but only seen as God by Christianity.

          • Vis Fac

            I Use words common among high school educated people I cannot help it if your vocabulary is lacking or that you attended one of those liberal one dimensional idiot-ological indoctrination camps that only provide propaganda instead of a well rounded curriculum.

            Too bad you haven’t studied civics or read the Federalist Papers the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.

            Being a LEGAL immigrant and having to study these documents in order to pass the citizenship requirement I have more than a working knowledge of these documents while you were given citizenship by being born here has you at a disadvantage.

            Where do you think Christianity arises form? Christ so indeed Christianity does have that monopoly. Perhaps you should go back and bone up on what you post because most often you are WRONG.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            “Keft” is a word common among high school educated people? I did a brief search and could not find it. Did you attend private schools or were home schooled? If so, you are one of the lucky ones.

          • Vis Fac

            KEFT (an acronym) has been around for longer than I can remember I doubt you know what it means. FYI = Knows Every F-ing Thing. Something you seem to believe you know

            FYI I attended public schools BEFORE they became Liberal one dimensional idiot-ological indoctrination camps. Knowing what has happened since Liberals took over the school system my children were Home Schooled and attended private schools. All are successful professionals and are “productive” responsible citizens!

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            Well, seems to me like you’re the one that KEFT fits better. I have often stated that I do NOT know everything. Although contributing to, and reading, this site over the past 3 years has greatly enhanced my education; but there is so much I do not know. My philosophy is that once we stop learning, we stop growing and might as well be a rock. I must admit, I do have a well-rounded education, both streetwise and school-wise.

            At 66, I too attended old-fashioned schools.

          • Vis Fac

            At 66 it appears you wasted your time in school and learned very little. Even though toy state you don’t know it all as I have also said your posturing says otherwise.

            I have lived a full and productive life I have been exposed many ideas and had more than my share of personal experiences I am well educated and traveled I have many acquiescences and reliable sources of information. I read, I study, I am involved. So when I post I evoke upon all my knowledge and experiences and you take it an my being a know it all
            Apparently I have more knowledge and”street smarts” than you

            So I suppose the average person would look on my life as a work of fiction! I am not average by anyones definition but my own.

            If you spend your life doing nothing or doing enough to just get by you are a failure life and society will pass you by.

            As a LEGAL immigrant who’s family sought asylum and arriving with nothing but the clothes on our backs.

            I/We were discriminated against and held with contempt and I vowed that I would make something of myself despite the circumstances and was inspired to succeed. I look upon my experiences as “learning tools” which were instrumental in attaining my goals.
            Some people abhor me because I am successful. You may be one of those.

            I am a Constitutionalist I believe we ALL have the same inalienable rights it is the LIBERAL who wished to strip us of our rights You had best get your facts straight otherwise you are a fool!!!!

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            I’m sure there are many subjects which I know more than you and vice versa. This is not a contest. Why do you find it necessary to judge me? Why are you so irascible? You know really nothing about me; however, you have provided enough information about yourself so as to give me a very good picture of you. The problem with people like you is that you cannot accept the fact that not everybody is built the same. We are not all the same. Not everyone is capable of doing what you did in your life. Thank goodness we are not all the same.
            I do not want to pit my experience against yours; however, believe me, I have had my share of learning experiences; and I assure you some of them are far from the “normal” variety of life experiences.
            I admire you and what you have done and have nothing against you. My life took a different track, and I am poor. However, I am rich in many other ways. I am who I say I am. I am primarily a writer, and a friend to anyone who needs my help; and I am happy with that. I am also a peacemaker – have been my whole life.
            It is your belligerence that makes you sound like a know-it-all. Why should people be attacked for having an opinion?
            And I do believe in personal freedom and smaller government. Those are signs of a libertarian, no? You would notice this if you really read my posts and not judged them by their having my name attached.

          • Vis Fac

            Karolyn I have not Judged you as a person I question your agenda. As I have been on this planet for more years than I care to admit and having owned and operated a business that provided products to manufacturing firms on every continent sans Antarctica. I have learned how to read people by not only from what people say and how they say it. This asset has proven to be quite profitable. So I can assure you I know how to read you. Judging by your responses I believe that I am spot on in assessing you. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so vehement in telling me I cannot accept fact. Your trouble is you believe what government and lame stream media reports facts. You are deluded that liberalism is “la voie” and have no idea what reality encompasses.
            Also Having five living offspring who have chosen various careers I make it a point to know all I can of each. Aside from my own engineering background I most likely I have the required knowledge to be granted degrees in each from medicine to geology petro-engineering architecture and clinical biology So excuse me if to you I seem a little irascible. I see myself as passionate in my beliefs.

            I now all too well people are not “built the same” what we do have in common is opportunity and a brain. Liberal tenet demands we tolerate apathy indolence and sloth in fact liberalism rewards apathy indolence and sloth. this is where our philosophies differ.
            I am a doer I abhor indolence and sloth I abhor enabling indolence and sloth Liberal tenet encourages these less than admirable traits.
            I promote constitutional law not liberal interpretation of same. I am for individual rights Liberal tenet prefers to limint or exterminate these rights.
            I am for morality Liberal tenet embraces immorality hypocrisy and does not hold life sacred they embrace sanctioned murder via planned parenthood You obviously embrace liberalism and all it stands for.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Karolyn I have not Judged you as a person I question your agenda. As I have been on this planet for more years than I care to admit and having owned and operated a business that provided products to manufacturing firms on every continent sans Antarctica. I have learned how to read people by not only from what people say and how they say it. This asset has proven to be quite profitable. So I can assure you I know how to read you. Judging by your responses I believe that I am spot on in assessing you. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so vehement in telling me I cannot accept fact. Your trouble is you believe what government and lame stream media reports facts. You are deluded that liberalism is “la voie” and have no idea what reality encompasses.
            Also Having five living offspring who have chosen various careers I make it a point to know all I can of each. Aside from my own engineering background I most likely I have the required knowledge to be granted degrees in each from medicine to geology petro-engineering architecture and clinical biology So excuse me if to you I seem a little irascible. I see myself as passionate in my beliefs.

            I now all too well people are not “built the same” what we do have in common is opportunity and a brain. Liberal tenet demands we tolerate apathy indolence and sloth in fact liberalism rewards apathy indolence and sloth. this is where our philosophies differ.
            I am a doer I abhor indolence and sloth I abhor enabling indolence and sloth Liberal tenet encourages these less than admirable traits.
            I promote constitutional law not liberal interpretation of same. I am for individual rights Liberal tenet prefers to limint or exterminate these rights.
            I am for morality Liberal tenet embraces immorality hypocrisy and does not hold life sacred they embrace sanctioned murder via planned parenthood You obviously embrace liberalism and all it stands for.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            I do not believe I am being “vehement” in explaining myself. I get REALLY tired of being labeled and misjudged., and there is only so much that can be relayed via this conduit.
            “Liberal tenet demands we tolerate apathy indolence and sloth in fact liberalism rewards apathy indolence and sloth. this is where our philosophies differ.
            I am a doer I abhor indolence and sloth I abhor enabling indolence and sloth Liberal tenet encourages these less than admirable traits. ” – I do not support apathy and indolence and have worked my whole life. I consider myself a “hustler” – having had many used many different methods in attaining income – all legal.

            Again – I support individual freedom and believe we have too many laws, and it appears that the police are more and more using gestapo tactics. I abhor what is happening. Individual freedom means to me the right to do what we want, as long as it does not interfere with the rights of another. I believe in “Live and let live.”

            Much of our difference is in perception. My perception is from a more universal view and not limited by constraints imposed by any religious doctrine. I was a Christian up until about 6 years ago, when I found a way that freed me from the fear that had held me hostage for so long. I believe that man is inherently moral but is corrupted by society, and religion is not necessary for morality.

            It really does not matter what you think of me; however, I am passionate in my beliefs also and would prefer that they not be so easily dismissed under some label. It’s like “She believes in A, so lets throw her in the pile of people who believe in A.” Well, what happens when she also believes in B or even part of C? Gee, there is no box for her. Does this mean she should be discounted because she doesn’t fit into a nice tidy box?

          • Vis Fac

            If you cannot stand the heat stay away from the kitchen in other words if you don’t want to be ridiculed I suggest you stop your liberal postings.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Gee Ya Think? Funny I don’t recall my mentioning God anywhere in my post, you the liberal A$$umed I did.

            Christians have the monopoly on Jesus Christ our Savior.

            The Jews believe in God and see Jesus Christ as a teacher and not their savior. Betcha didn’t know that.

            Stop being a KEFT. If I were you I’d stop trying to show everyone how little you know and avoid ridicule.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            “The Jews believe in God and see Jesus Christ as a teacher and not their savior. Betcha didn’t know that.”
            Gee, ya think? Most of we little people are not as dumb as you seem to think, Mr. holier-than-thou.
            It seems you need no provocation to toot your own horn.
            And, once again, I am a left leaning libertarian. Because I do not adhere to everything YOU believe, I have to be a liberal?

          • Vis Fac

            Well if you have the ability to support what you say as I do. I suppose to you it would seem to you that I am (even though I have never said nor implied it) “Mr. holier than thou” so you referring to what I say being tooting ones horn. which I don’t

            You on the other hand have no modesty when showing us how little you know even though you believe you do. .

            If you are left leaning you are NOT Libertarian you are a LIBERAL know nothing and The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so. – Ronald Reagan

            I am the furthest from a liberal you will find I am an Independent and Constitutionalist.

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            I am what I say I am. I prefer not to be put into your neat little box, and I do not put people into little boxes unless that is where they prefer to be. Some are comfortable there and do not take into account other points of view.

          • Vis Fac

            You prefer not to be put in a box but your words and actions say otherwise. So apparently you enjoy being labeled. I am often labeled only because I get under people’s skin because I tell it like it is Some people cannot handle the truth so they use pejorative labeling. I relate this as complimentary as I have struck a nerve and exposed the truth.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • Snoopy Sanchez

    This is a very bi-partisan issue, as BOTH sides have betrayed their oaths to protect us over the decades & left that border open…That border has been open because they want it open, case closed.

    The thing is, it is only the DEMs that have gained from it politically.

  • Warrior

    I wonder if Mr. Dimon was first in line at the “fed window” this morning? Oh sure we’ll pay a $13 bil fine (extortion or is it a tax?). No questions asked.

  • Doc Sarvis

    President Obama’s Administration has deported more illegals than any other recent President. I would say the blame is on Americans who hire illegals – drawing them into the U.S..

    • rivahmitch

      Probably because there are more here who came quickly when it rang the “free dinner and citizenship” bell and announced that it would NOT enforce our immigration laws.

    • Vigilant

      “I would say the blame is on Americans who hire illegals – drawing them into the U.S..”

      Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution: “[The president] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed…” The buck stops at the Oval Office, Sarvis.

    • jibbs3

      Thats a straight out lie, and you are a liar!

  • Peggy

    Leave it to our journalist, who always want their freedom of the press and speech protected to NOT use those freedoms to stand up for the very country that gives them their rights. Shame on CBS and anyone else who cannot or will not care for their own country.. Thank GOD for Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, and Sara Palin.

    • jibbs3

      High Five! I cruise with Cruz.

  • Liz

    These people did not come here fleeing from a tyrannical government, therefore they are illegally here and got here by SNEAKING across OUR borders. The only rights they have is to go back where they came from, but of course that won’t happen because sleazy employers look for and hire CHEAP labor and Democrats want votes. Coming here illegally also increases the chances of bringing diseases back that were eradicated years ago with vaccinations. Illegals don’t get physicals, inoculations or treatment when they SNEAK across the Border. Smallpox and tuberculosis are back, my children, now in their 40’s did not need a vaccination or testing because these diseases were gone. Looks like vaccinations will have to return thanks to these people, but the Democrats and those sleazy employers don’t care. Amnesty is NOT the answer!

    • mmt

      You’ll find that most undocumented workers do not work for sleazy employers. They work in the hotel and restaurant industry for minimum wage and move up, as any other worker can. The problem is that the illegals use false documents to get the job. It’s crazy for them too, imagine paying income and ss taxes and then NOT being eligible to receive benefits, ever. They often use a family members SSN.

      When our town adopted everify as an ordinance for businesses within the city limits….half of the employees at local hotels went awol from work, thinking that the hotel would start with existing employees.

      Right now the ‘deportation’ “rules of engagement” are crazy. Because the administration ONLY allows the deportation of illegals if they have committed another crime — We deport only one member of the family, rather than using that information to deport them all. It makes no sense to deport only the criminal, leaving the family without a breadwinner, when we could have had enough info to deport the whole family.

      This anchor baby thing has to be nipped in the bud also. Children fall under the same legal status as their parents. If the parent is undocumented in the US, then so are all minor children. The thought of the children belonging to the state is ridiculous.

      • Vigilant

        “You’ll find that most undocumented workers do not work for sleazy employers.”

        Sorry, I assess ANY business that hires illegal aliens to be sleazy.

      • Vis Fac

        Are you serious?? True Illegals use false documents many use the same document I know because I owned a business and saw for myself. As for paying into SS YOUR buddy the peanut farmer made it possible for the to receive SSA benefits and your buddy Clinton let them have it all.

        Still yet governor Moonbeam allows them total access to public services welfare, driver’s licenses, health care food stamps and education. All WITHOUT paying a dime into the system and NOW we will be paying for them to be covered by ODUMBOCARE. You want to save billions of wasted tax dollars and lessen the deficit ?? The DEPORTATION of illegals is the first step Millions more saved by eliminating crime caused by these CRIMINALS creating employment opportunities by erecting an electrified fence (huge bug zapper)

        The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

        Yes, you are correct. The Citizenship Clause within the 14th Amendment has a 100% pure and grammatically correct conditional clause. The conditional clause “, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” does indicate that simply being born or simply being naturalized in the United States does not grant and does not permit that person automatic U.S. Citizenship, while that person is subject to a jurisdiction that is not U.S. jurisdiction, meaning a person who is simply born or who is simply naturalized in the United States while being a citizen of a foreign country and not a Legal Resident in the United States or being born in the United States as the child of a parent or parents who are officially citizens of a foreign nation and not Legal Residents in the United States and who are not citizens of the United States(as in the example of foreign tourists from Hungary touring the U.S. on U.S. Tourist Visas who just happen to have their child unexpectedly and prematurely born inside an American hospital just after a day of visiting Disney World in Orlando Florida that results in their new born child held under the same foreign government legal jurisdiction of the nation of Hungary as the parents are held under Hungarian government legal jurisdiction with their child included under the same lawful official Hungarian foreign national tourist status as the parents minus the third U.S. Tourist Visa for their new born child). Any elementary school English grammar teacher, any middle school English grammar teacher, any high school English grammar teacher and any law professor will tell you that yes, the phrase “, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” is a grammatically correct and a very obvious and a very commonly used conditional clause within legal contracts and within laws that implies and defines a requirement that a certain condition or certain conditions must be met or must be fulfilled before something else can happen or before something else is permitted to happen or before something is granted. The Citizenship Clause without the conditional clause is simply: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” and this type of unconditional Citizenship Clause would imply and be defined that unconditional U.S. Citizenship is automatically permitted and automatically granted to any person who is simply born in the United States or who is simply naturalized in the United States in a sort of automatic blanket instant unconditional U.S. Citizenship. The grammatically correct conditional Citizenship Clause in the 14th Amendment that includes the very obvious and grammatically correct conditional clause “, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” is: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”. All conditional clauses are always understood and defined in their exact grammatical sentence structure and in their exact grammar content and nothing more because the conditional clause indicates exactly what is legally permitted and exactly what is not legally permitted in a legal contract and in a law. Then the first 2 words at the beginning of the conditional Citizenship Clause “All persons” really means exactly what it says, “All persons”, and that will include everyone including all the adult foreign nationals and all of their children born on U.S. soil of tourist foreign nationals, worker foreign nationals, student foreign nationals, ambassador foreign nationals, business executive foreign nationals, illegal alien foreign nationals, scientist foreign nationals, athlete foreign nationals, etc., etc..

    • Vis Fac

      Does anyone now why Mexico has no track and field athletes competing in the Olympics? Because anyone who can run, jump, or swim is already here in the US

      The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • IBCAMN

    undocumented immigrant means “illegal alien”and always will and that means you get arrested and deported,if you help a person commit a crime you get arrested too!the law is simple to read,but,the gov’t doesn’t want to read it!they want these people here.they want people to help.they want them to be hired and have jobs and buy cars and houses(they even help them)downfall is,these illegal aliens send about 75 to 80% of their money back home to Mexico!they don’t pay taxes so they send it back home!they don’t spend it here!wake up people and open your eye’s!

    • Jana

      ibcamm that ought to be capitalized. Since you didn’t I will.

      THESE ILLEGAL ALIENS SEND ABOUT 75 TO 80% OF THEIR MONEY BACK HOME TO MEXICO! THEY DON’T PAY TAXES SO THEY SEND IT BACK HOME! THEY DON’T SPEND IT HERE!

      I am adding that up to 20 live in a single home dwelling and trash the place. They have no idea of what it is to wash their hands after going to the rest rooms yet, they are hired as cooks in the restaurants we eat at.

    • fenix1

      This is true “IBCAMM”! They say we cannot just deport 13 million “Illegals”! I say, why in hell not? It would be alot “cheaper” to deport them than to allow them to stay! And that IS a fact! It’s also a fact that IT’S the Law! The only thing “Broken” about our ”
      System” is it’s NOT enforced!

      • KennyLLC

        “Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.” – Larry the Cable Guy

        • fenix1

          Good point! Guess it’s cause they all haven’t “Came out of the Shadows” yet! Ha Ha Ha Ha…NSA can find information on ANYONE in this Country…but can’t find them! MY ***!

      • jibbs3

        We could also employ a lot of bus drivers to clear them out. This would put money in their pockets, they would pay taxes and spend that money right here .

      • Vis Fac

        What and eliminate their voting bloc? NEVER HAPPEN

        The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Scott

          NEVER HAPPEN – Unless the people stand together – Just like Vigilant, Giving up before it’s over. Sounds like what I was saying before – Americans are lazy. Ohhhh – its to much work – I’ll just go home and have my Latte

          • Vis Fac

            It’s called apathy they is until they are affected than listen to them bellow!!!

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            Can’t wait until all those Obummer voters get the bill for thier new insurance plan – Really – It’ll be cheaper ! You’ll never here me ask our government for anything. Leave me alone and I’ll take care of Me and Mine.

          • Vis Fac

            Sticker Shock. As I am one of those 47% who don’t pay taxes I don’t fear the IRS I paid taxes for 45+ years and am now retired. I don’t have money in any US banks and all I have are “expenses”.

            ERGO I will NOT enroll in ODUMBOCARE And I cannot be taxed (fined)

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • Scott

    People – We are all Imagrants !. I respect anyone who works hard to make a better life for themselves and their family. However – Until they are US citizens – They should not be able to vote. No SSN = No drivers license, No right to vote,
    No free healthcare, No benefits until its earned – period.

    • Vigilant

      “People – We are all Imagrants [sic]!.”

      Correction: my ancestors were immigrants in 1754. I believe after 259 years we ought to stop using that ridiculous doublethink logic.

      Secondly, English may not be your first language (and it’s certainly not your forte), but there’s an adjective before the word “immigrant” you seem to have ignored. It’s the word “illegal.”

      Respect people for whatever reason you like, but respect for the Constitution and Federal law trumps your progressive proclivities.

      • Scott

        I know, Let have a spelling contest. I think it Highly unlikely your ancestors came here in 1754. Even if they did – I’m confident they weren’t some Euro, snot nosed elite like you seem to think of yourself. Get over yourself. I’m surprised your on this string – you sound like a Berkeley lib.

        • Vigilant

          “I’m surprised your [sic] on this string – you sound like a Berkeley lib.”

          Sounds like you’ve got an IQ problem as well. Hint: “Berkeley libs” don’t extol the virtues of the Constitution or inveigh against illegal immigration..

          My great (x4) grandfather was an officer in the Albany County Militia during the Revolution. My ancestors have fought in every war of the US, including 19 in the Civil War. You are free to believe or disbelieve that, as you choose.

          Considering your high dudgeon over my recognition of your spelling errors, I think you are the one who needs to get over himself. At a minimum, take a basic English course.

          • Scott

            Snobbery – Still not accounted for.

          • Vigilant

            Ignorance – probably attributable to a public school “education.”

          • Vis Fac

            Don’t you mean Liberal one dimensional idiot-ological indoctrination camp??

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            Snobbery – Probably attibuted to private schools and a liberal arts degree from Berkeley. Free Leonard my friend

          • Vigilant

            You don’t take hints very well, do you? OK, one more time: “Berkeley libs” don’t extol the virtues of the Constitution or inveigh against illegal immigration.

            Second hint: the up and down arrows show who is the real Conservative and who is the real progressive pretending he’s not. If you’re attempting to convince anyone that you are a Conservative, you are failing badly.

            P.S. NONE of my degrees are from leftist colleges, and my public high school education (grad. 1964) took place before they turned into socialist programming arms of the government.

            Ever been in the service of your country, sonny?

          • Scott

            Define Service – Lib

          • Vigilant

            Military Service.

          • Scott

            Military – nope. Wouldn’t take me. I had an ASEE – but no high school diploma at the ripe old age of 18. So there’s your answer for my lack of spellchecker use. However – anytime you want to debate service to my country – let me know and I’ll enlighten you. Your experience may be different than mine – but no better or more patriotic. ps – you’ve got about 18 years on me – so I guess you’ve earned the right to call me sonny,

          • Vigilant

            Scott, I wish no debate on your service. I was just curious.

            With your permission, let’s call a truce. We got off to a bad start, and tempers can flare. I apologize if I went overboard.

          • Scott

            Vigilant – I’m not immune to emotional responses, that’s for sure. I participate in these discussions because I like to see both sides. IMHO – This debate is long overdue. Were it up to me and only me – Immediately after 9/11 – we should have effectively secured our boarders, Shipped anyone out that is not a US citizen or well on their way to becoming one. If in process – You are run through a gauntlet to determine if your true allegiance is to the US.
            My apologies as well and hope to run into you again – I’m always learning from these discussions and
            never to late to learn from others. Sincerely.

          • Scott

            Vigilant – I’m not immune to emotional based responses – that’s for sure. I participate in these discussions to learn, as much as anything else and hope to see your comments on other subjects. My apologies as well. Sincerely, Scott

          • Vis Fac

            You see snobbery I see truth truth trumps snobbery any day.

            Being a “legal” immigrant I take offense at those who support and abet illegal entry into MY country. As my family and I had to follow protocol (jump through hoops learn English and either have a sponsor or a tangible trade) in order to seek asylum and be granted entry I find your attitude disgustingly liberal.

            In short your condescending attitude leaves much to be desired.

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • jibbs3

          Go pound sand, what part of illegal do you not understand?
          In Mexico, the sentence is six years for helping an illegal. Why don’t you sneak into Mexico and let us all know how that works out when you are released in several years.

          • Vis Fac

            They’re not liberal down there and the government doesn’t hand out ODUMBOPHONES !!

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • jibbs3

            Yep, I live in Southcentral Missouri, I came here from Chicago three years ago and love it!
            BTW, my great grandfather came to this country in 1886 thru the front door.

          • Vis Fac

            We were a bit later early 1940’s

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • Motov

        Use Mexican laws on how they deal with illegals, that sounds fair to me.

    • KennyLLC

      Portions of my ancestors were immigrants. The indigenous portion survived the systematic genocide of immigration theology called “Manifest Destiny”.

    • Vis Fac

      Tell that to governor Moonbeam of the PRCM (Peoples Republic of Commie/Mexico) He has signed legislation granting Illegals drivers licenses

      I guess since they receive free education health care (not ODUMBOCARE because we will pay for them) welfare and food stamps governor Moonbeam thinks why not licenses to kill people then flee to Mexico they did that before but let’s make it legal sort of.

      They vote because we have no voter ID and each one can vote multiple times under multiple aliases more liberal agenda lie cheat steal liberal credo. It’s all good right??

      The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Scott

        I can’t speak for all californicans – But I can say that I agree completely with your comments. No SSN=No voter rights. Not on your way to citizenship = no drivers license. No SSN = No benifits.

        • Vis Fac

          As far as I am concerned if you are illegal you are breaking the law you are a criminal PERIOD. Those who support these criminals are guilty of aiding and abetting a criminal.

          The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            I don’t disagree with your comment – But I can tell you personally – there are many who are illegal and have stronger american values and belong here more than many leaching legals.

          • Motov

            I was fired from a job once, because (officially) I failed to communicate with my fellow employees.
            Fact was I did not know Spanish, and I was the only non mexican in the area they assigned me to work.
            I wasted all of my school years learning english, because it was required. I have a problem with the double standard. If we wished to live in Mexico, we would be required to learn spanish, so why are we being required to learn spanish to work in the USA????
            MAKE ENGLISH THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE FOR THE USA!!!!

          • Vigilant

            No doubt they all have a serious mental block when it comes to a fundamental tenet of the Constitution. It’s called the “rule of law.”

            Unless, that is, you consider the flouting of the Constitution to be a “strong American value.”

          • Vis Fac

            Scott These criminals are here for one thing OUR MONEY They have no American values they will cram themselves in garages storage lockers sheds etc to save money to send to MEXICO. I’ve seen as many as seven families living in a single family residence completely destroying everything they touch.

            Don’t ask me about Illegals who drive into your property car house etc if they are able they book after they stop. None of them have insurance so we absorb the loss.

            When they have what they need they book because it’s cheaper to live in Mexico especially if you are a native I have YET to see one with True American Values as they continually display their red white and green flags.

            As I am form Germany I do not display the German flag Old Glory tops my flag pole. I don’t label myself as “Germen-American” I am an AMERICAN yet these people proclaim themselves to be “Mexican American or when discussing values they always pipe up with “well in my country” further confirming my contention they have no allegiance to the US other than our money and benefits.

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            I think I’m using personal friends that I know, that came here illegally back in the 70’s and 80’s as examples. They are legal now and have been since then. They have raised their families well and most of their kids are educated and contributors to our/their country. They own their homes, Work for a living, pay their taxes and don’t leach off of us – Not a direct comparison with the current flock of illegals coming to our states. But I still believe there are some ( small percentage ) that are looking for the American dream. your point = Immigrate legally and earn the privilege to be here and last, but not least – pledge your allegiance to the United States of America. Got it.

          • Vis Fac

            Please indulge me for a minute. Yes I know not all apples are bad, but would you admit that a crime is a crime and each crime be prosecuted to the nature of the offense?

            Now Liberals have this Zero Tolerance initiative in our public schools that states that no one is exempt from the rules we enact. Wouldn’t the same hold true for illegals who enter this country as well? If not we have nothing less than a case of hypocrisy.

            Even though they might be productive and pay taxes and are not leeches they are still here illegally, they have taken the place or a job of/from a legal immigrant or an American citizen. So I suppose you are fine with this. I am not I had to jump through the hoops all they did was sneak across the border and enjoy the liberties and freedoms I fought to attain.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            Again – I’m using personal friends that eventually navigated the Immigration process. I guess I’m swayed by their unusual success. I agree – A crimes is a crime and those that commit them should be punished. It appears some self reflection is in order – Our current government has for many years and continues to selectively enforce laws as it suits them. This in turn, becomes the norm and is accepted. Hence the reason why I participate in these discussion – Not offended to be reminded of just because its that way – doesn’t make it right

          • Vis Fac

            There you have it “eventually” I was not given the option of “eventually” So what am I to think? it’s OK to break the law and sneak your way in and “eventually” go through the process?

            Apparently you care little for the law and more for your own agenda. You and I (and everyone else) there is no “self reflection” otherwise we’d be living in a Utopian paradise There would be no crime and everyone would get along.

            Out current government is full of hypocrisy The only place hypocrisy doesn’t come into play is in our public schools ZERO Tolerance has removes any common sense from the equation the law is the law no matter what Funny the law is the law is not applicable when and where it counts!!

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            Harsh Mr.Recon. I think your wrong on one point though. I care very much about the law and will challenge anyone who contends that – Simply saying I ( keyword ) WAS using personal experiences to base an opinion – rather than the masses you speak of. If it were up to me – as soon as 9/11 happened, I would’ve rounded up everyone who is not a US citizen and booted them out – period. Anyone who was on the way to becoming one – would be put through a gauntlet to determine their true allegiance. Only then would they earn the privilege of becoming a US citizen. Obviously, Secure our boarders to prevent additional intrusion. Maybe instead of the world laughing at us – they would call us separatists – I’ll take that.

          • Vis Fac

            Why do you feel I’m being harsh? You don’t know what harsh is. Harsh is having your son murdered by a career felon who should have been locked up under the current law.

            You are sounding like a bleeding heart liberal who is afraid to follow the law lest it hurt someone’s feelings. Life is harsh and is not a game.

            Let me tell you life is harsh and you only go around once
            so yes I am harsh we either follow the law or we follow none and fend for ourselves.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            Because I already corrected my mistake of basing my opinion on personal experience and not the overall big picture of masses of illegals – well before your last comment. You don’t need to explain harsh to me – I was out at 16 and made myselft who I am with no help from my family. I’ve slept on the street and scrounged for food without asking our government for anything. I did it on my own, standing on my own two feet until I got what I wanted. I also didn’t need to commit any crimes in the proccess – Different kinda harsh from yours – nonetheless.
            Don’t give me this Liberal crap either – Many of my neighbors will tell you I don’t put up with any BS around my house. Others will tell you i’m racist. I disagree – I’m definetely prejudice. We have laws and rules around here and I don’t give 2 [expletive deleted] about your skin color – You violate the rules, and I’m gonna call you on it – I’m called racist, because most of the offenders are Black. They also no I’m the first to help in any emergency – if at my own personal risk. So save the Lib [expletive deleted] for someone else

  • McHale72

    Throw fence jumpers over the fence the same way you do with the neighbor kid’s ball.

    • Vis Fac

      Or let your dog chew it/them up

      The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • Hank

    ALL ILLEGALS should be transported back to where they came. We cannot afford AMNESTY!

    • Average_Joe56

      “ALL ILLEGALS should be transported back to where they came (from).”
      They “came” here.
      A small correction, but a significant change in meaning.
      ;)

    • jibbs3

      Pres. Eisenhower bused them 500 miles past where they came from during the 1950’s in Operation Wetback.

      • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

        Hopefully there will be an Operation Wetback II.

      • Motov

        Load ’em up in a bomb bay of a bomber then release them over Mexico?
        ;)

      • Robert Messmer

        Well maybe since actually they used ships and planes as well. The really sad part about the whole thing is that the program was a result of the Mexican Government applying pressure to stop/slow down illegal immigration into the US.

  • Incredulous

    The full bus should be followed by a bus full of armed guards who would “escort” all the illegals in the street into the 2nd bus (after all forms of fake ID are confiscated) and the two buses allowed to continue as far south as they could go.

  • jdmurchie

    The leftists constantly use the word immigrant when they should, in fact, use the term illegal alien. To me an immigrant is someone who came here legally verses the illegal alien( does that make them federal law breakers and therefore felons) which should automatically preclude them from remaining here at all. To use these terms interchangeably is to soften the stance taken against the illegals and attempts to equate the legal with the criminal. This should be talked about all the time. The liberals believe that if you tell the same lie often enough people will begin to accept it as truth so maybe if Conservatives tell the same truth often enough people will be able to see through the deception

    • Vis Fac

      It’s called Political Correctness anything that disallows labeling things as they truly are. liberal double speak and a vehicle for denial and not being held accountable. If they can’t dazzle us with their assumed brilliance they try and baffle us with BS

      In the end if it is green has warts and croaks it’s still a frog; and not the prince they’d have us believe !!!

      The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Scott

        Frogs don’t have warts – Toads have warts. In which knowone accepts as a prince

        • Vis Fac

          The frogs in my pond do. I took a class in herpetology and there is little difference between toads and frogs both are amphibians lay eggs in water and the young are tadpoles. The main difference is that toads have a drier skin which makes their “warts” stand out.

          The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            I guess I’ve eaten warty Frogs then – Wiki is the best – Huh ?

          • Vis Fac

            Anyone who relies on Wiki is lazy and a fool! Wiki excepts contributions from anyone in short you never know the validity of what has been posted. There is no staff to confirm the sheer numbers of submissions so as with anything that is free you get what you pay for.

            I used Wiki ONCE and regretted doing so If you use Wiki it’s best to confirm from at least two sources.

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • jibbs3

      I still prefer wetback.

      • Vis Fac

        Now Now if you going to use pejoratives Political Correctness evokes we use the proper terminology of LUBRICANOS

        The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • Robert Messmer

      Just love the “undocumented” part. So why doesn’t Obama legalize all the “undocumented” pharmacists (drug dealers, after all he has already armed the Mexican drug cartels) and “undocumented” sex therapists (prostitutes)?

  • KennyLLC

    They must have successfully accessed the Espanol portion of the Obamacare exchange site, and were just hitching a ride.

  • Scott

    So we ship them all out and Secure our borders – Then what ?
    The USA is no longer an industrialized nation. Were left with citizens who are generally lazy and think they should get paid $10.00hr for taking your Burger King order. Who’s going to dig those fence post holes, do your landscaping, clean your hotel rooms, pick the fruit n veggies when their ripe ?. Not a single one of you or your kids. Which leaves us with developing a way to prevent future ( Illegal Immigration ) Provide a pathway so those that are here – can start to pay their way and legally contribute

    • Vigilant

      “Who’s going to dig those fence post holes, do your landscaping, clean your hotel rooms, pick the fruit n veggies when their [sic] ripe ?.”

      Americans. What a novel idea!

      • Scott

        Bubble about to pop Mr. Vigilant (sic). I’m sure you think you built this country and your verbose witticism is inspiring – But YOUR family came here uninvited and decimated the natives – What say you now.

        • Vigilant

          What I say Is this:

          (1) Your use of “sic” was incorrect.

          (2) “I’m sure you think you built this country…” Your complete ignorance of history is astounding. I was born in 1946, long after the foundations of our great nation were put in place.

          (3) We did not receive an engraved invitation to immigrate, but we were welcomed (and took loyalty oaths to the state)..as did many millions of LEGAL immigrants in the 18th and 19th centuries.

          (4) “decimated the natives?” From what source do you glean that bit of inaccurate info.? My ancestors did own slaves, but that’s a different argument.

          • Scott

            1) Vigilant (“sic”) errors have been repeated intentionally ! – Look it up

            2) “I’m sure you think you built this country…” Your arrogance states it all
            3) 1754 – Who welcomed you ? The Brits – How reasuring – How American ! They accept anyone and even to this day – 50 years, and they’ll be a Muslim nation too.
            4) Now its time for you to do a little research – If in fact your family came here in the 1700’s – Most certainly ( Mr we served in all wars since the biggining of time ) they participated in the decimation of native americans.
            5) The banter is simply amusing.
            6) Sorry – I don’t use a thesaurus or spell checker prior to responses

          • Vigilant

            Your hasty, desperate responses are becoming more and more emotionally based, the sure sign of a progressive when painted into a corner with facts.

            Good night, dear Scott.

        • Robert Messmer

          And that is “decimated the natives” exactly why we want illegal criminals out. The supposed “natives” (they were actually immigrants just that the land had no people when they got here) allowed the illegals to stay and not join the existing society and look what happened to them.

          • Scott

            Can’t refute that.

        • jibbs3

          I’m thinking the only high tech work you do is when you get and are a paid troll on here and other blogs.
          About 25-30 years old.

    • Vis Fac

      The US is an industrialized nation the problem is; thanks to our liberal one dimensional idiot-ological indoctrination camps that masquerade as public schools, and political correctness, we no longer have anyone smart enough or motivated enough to attain the skills necessary to perform as needed.

      Instead these indoctrination camps have produced a society of functionally illiterate dependent on government for everything. If the liberals were well intended that shot themselves in the foot. but knowing their real intent (people control for political gain) this is sadly not the case.
      Immigration reform is not in the liberals best interests because they have a loyal voting bloc from the illegals that will last a lifetime! Not rocket science as the casual observer would recognize this as fact

      Unless a quick reversal occurs we will be a nation dependent on other nations while our elected elite bask in luxuries they promised to share with the people.

      The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Scott

        Your blame of public schools is weak at best – it starts with your parents – Your value system, work ethic, family, religion etc are not determined by our schools, there built at home.

        • Vis Fac

          What are you going to do when all you have is public schools? A parent can only accomplish so much instill proper ethics study habits morality and responsibility then your child attends the liberal one dimensional idiot-ological indoctrination camp and all that you instilled in your child has been undone and your child re-programmed?

          The only other options are private religious and home schooling out of the three home schooling would offer an environment free of propaganda. How many people are 1) well off enough to pay for private school or a tutor or 2) have the necessary skills for homeschooling their child. Chances are if you graduated after 1970 you don’t have enough knowledge to teach your children

          If truth be known all the credentialed teachers don’t have the necessary knowledge or tools to teach either.

          The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            You Keep your thumb on your kids. I have enough money to send my kid to private school – I choose not to. Anything I feel my kids need to be checked on – gets checked. I continue to be involved and debate them of anything I feel is BS or preached in schools I disagree with ( PolySci and History stuff ) mostly. Get good grades, be repectful, Learn everthing you can, take advantage of your contacts, Be independant, Family is everything, Always tell the truth – Even if it hurts etc… Americans are lazy and this is why were here.

          • Vis Fac

            News Flash your kids friends have five times the influence on them than you do. Your kids will act one way in front of you and morph into a completely different monster out of your line of sight than just as quickly back again when you are near.

            If you trust the NEA organized teachers that is on you Teachers never say anything contrary as this makes them appear incompetent so of course you’ll never know what;’s really going on. Not to mention the programming they receive instead of a quality education. Try no to be too disappointed if they don’t know what’s necessary to pass a college entrance exam . What might be viewed as a high standard one place might be seen as mediocre elsewhere

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            Right back at cha – My son is 17, a junior in publics scholls and smoked the colledge entrance exam. News flash – Anything I could give him is already done – we can only hope they take that and move in the direction we would approve of

          • Vigilant

            We can only be supremely grateful that he didn’t study English under your inept tutorship. I counted a minimum of 4 errors in that response.

          • Scott

            Only 4 ( four ). To bad English is your only strength. PS – We can only be supremely grateful you’ll be gone before me

          • Vigilant

            I’LL be supremely grateful to go before you, son. The world you youngsters are creating is not a world in which I wish to live.

          • jibbs3

            What arrogant little pr ck!

          • Ron

            what did he put in the exam when he smoked it…musta been real good stuff!! Did he get in trouble for smokin it?

          • Vis Fac

            Scott I hate to be the bearer of bad news but college entrance exams are not what they used to be.
            After I graduated High School I enlisted in the armed forces during which time between duty stations I was able to attend Annapolis (long story). After separating form government service (another long story) I was able to complete my major studies and earn my degrees(concurrently).

            When it came time for my children to attend college, since they were home schooled they needed to take the entrance exam. All my children pretty much Aced them. Curiosity became the better of me so I tried to enroll in a junior college to take a science course I must tell you I was shocked at the entrance exam the material was what I would have expected a sophomore in high school should know.

            As I am a professional and to keep current I am continually taking classes. I am saddened to see that standards have been lowered so that certain people can be granted entry and that an A in the course is what I would consider to be a C- there is an absence of diction and sentence structure and updated math skills are not what I consider to be adequate.

            Tell your children to forgo any parties and hit the books because you never receive what is truly relevant and important in any lecture.

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            Our paths were very different. Never graduated High School ( long story ) and received a Electronics degree from a trade school at 19. Tried to get into the AF/Navy and they told me no thanks because of the diploma. Even though I could probably teach most of the classes in their electronics program. Your not the bearer of bad news – just stating the facts as they are. I keep watch on my kids and do the best I can to influence their futures. You can’t force kids to be you – I push for them to be better. In this day and age – An ASEE or even a BS doesn’t do it anymore. I would not want to be coming out of high school – the opportunities aren’t there like they were in the 80’s on up. We’ll see. We digress though – The issue we really face as a country – is our government – Term limits need to be implemented ASAP

          • Vis Fac

            I agree however with the over abundance of qualified personnel that sheepskin is more important than ever.

            In regards to these “trade tech schools”; one of my daughters is an Orthopedic Surgeon. She has told me that the numbers of applications for RNs is astronomical. Hospitals have their choice of a vast pool of qualified individuals and won’t even look at anyone who doesn’t have at least a Bachelors Degree. You can imagine what chance the graduates of these tech mills have.

            Due to the current job situation under ODUMBO’S economic plan the same can be said for all industry. Supply and demand dictates who is hired and what the prevailing wage is set at. Sad to say that the situation will appear to be getting better any time soon.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Scott

            I had 20 successful years in the tech industry and in 2002 – it all went kaboom. I looked for jobs ( half heartedly ) for about 12 months – had many offers, only problem was 1/2 the pay and still required excessive travel. I’m now an automation tech and I never look back. I tried the University route, but with a child, bills and responsibilities piling up – just never got to it. Those days are over. Wish you the best

          • Vis Fac

            Thanks for your wishes but in my mind I already have the best. Married my best friend more than 45 years ago have a wonderful family had a successful business am financially morally and mentally secure and in good health. I have a truckload of experiences and memories. I am self sufficient live out in the boonies and don’t have to put up with obnoxious neighbors. What more can one ask for except having my son back with us and a nation full of patriots who are responsible and have common sense!!

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • manstrom

            Our military schools are outstanding! You could teach those classes? Thanks for the laugh of the day. You could not carry the shoes of a US Marine. Arrogance like yours is a bit like Obama’s. Not anchored in reality but impressive none the less. Semper Fi USN/USMC 1965 through 1970

          • Scott

            I’m honored I could give you a laugh. Even funnier for you – I ended up teaching for a living for 5 years in the tech industry – Not only did I teach advanced electronics ( realworld, with experience to back it up ) as well as adanced netoworking – Including every topology to current. I’ve installed and diagnosed networks for the Military, Most major banking institutions as well as many education facilities. These were Mission critical with 5 9’s required. But I wouldn’t expect you to know any of that. I’m proud and just confident enough to state – I’m probably 1 of 10,000 people in the US that made your very web connectivity possible ( actual installation and testing )- Who did I train when I diagnosed issues for the services – Well – I set the marines boots down and tought them how to Install, maintain and troubleshoot their/our networks. ps – I’ve forgotten more about electronics and networking than you’ll ever now. SO laugh some more while your using the netork that I and others built so you could make stupid assumptions and post them on the web.

          • Scott

            I’m honored I could give you a laugh. Even funnier for you – I ended up teaching for a living for 5 years in the tech industry – Not only did I teach advanced electronics ( realworld, with experience to back it up ) as well as adanced netoworking – Including every topology to current. I’ve installed and diagnosed networks for the Military, Most major banking institutions as well as many education facilities. These were Mission critical with 5 9’s required. But I wouldn’t expect you to know any of that. I’m proud and just confident enough to state – I’m probably 1 of 10,000 people in the US that made your very web connectivity possible ( actual installation and testing )- Who did I train when I diagnosed issues for the services – Well – I set the marines boots down and tought them how to Install, maintain and troubleshoot their/our networks. ps – I’ve forgotten more about electronics and networking than you’ll ever now. SO laugh some more while your using the netork that I and others built so you could make stupid assumptions and post them on the web.

          • manstrom

            I stand by my post you arrogant fool !!!

          • manstrom

            I stand by my post you arrogant fool !!!

          • Scott

            Of course you do – its called pounding sand. Fact are facts and just because you know nothing of electronics – its easy to shoot your mouth off. Anytime you want to debate me – feel free to embarass yourself idiot.

          • jibbs3

            Please stop, you are making me cry from laughing so hard. ahahaha, lol Damn kid, like I said before…what a moron.

          • jibbs3

            I just fell over laughing, what a moron. Or should I call you Al Gore…father of the internet. I guess you were too stupid to get a GED to join the service.

    • jibbs3

      Where I live white people do all these jobs. Why not put all the people on welfare to work!
      Pretty simple, eh.

      • Vis Fac

        Now THAT would be cruel and unusual punishment !!!
        Liberals would never allow punishment of any kind especially anything considered cruel or unusual !!!

        The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • Scott

        Hah – The only legit comment so far.

        • Vigilant

          That makes one more than you have uttered.

          • Scott

            BooHoo – my fealings are hurt

          • Vigilant

            Perhaps, but what about your feelings?

            My God, I thought smilee’s English was bad. Yours is atrocious.

          • Scott

            As stated before – Good thing English is your forteee’ – Go look up more stuff on Wiki, Collect your social securetyyyyy’ check and wait for your new obomacare bill.
            Sidenote – Not in complete disagreement with you – Just don’t like your Snobbery.
            Sincerely,
            Dear Scott

  • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

    The Democrats, RINOS and pro-big business slave labor advocates are knowingly voluntary, willful, intentional and deliberate criminal accomplices and criminal accessories to the international crime of illegal migratory invasion across the U.S. Border from Mexico into the U.S., aka illegal immigration, by knowingly, voluntarily, willfully, intentionally and deliberately criminalizing themselves by committing high treason against the Constitution(in particular by committing high treason against the Citizenship Clause within the 14th Amendment) by knowingly, voluntarily, willfully, intentionally and deliberately aiding and abetting millions of illegal alien foreign nationals by willfully, intentionally and deliberately immorally, criminally and treasonously placing any and all illegal alien foreign nationals ABOVE THE LAW, also surreptitiously known as “Comprehensive Immigration Law Reform”. “Comprehensive Immigration Law Reform” is immorally REWARDING immoral STEALTH AMNESTY to illegal alien foreign national IMMIGRATION LAW BREAKERS for the purposes of immorally, criminally and treasonously BRIBING millions of illegal alien foreign nationals to become millions of future Democrat U.S. Citizen VOTERS to outvote all native born U.S. Citizen voters(including U.S. Citizen TAX PAYERS and Pro-Constitution Law Conservative U.S. Citizens) and to VOTE for anything and everything that is a Liberal, Leftist Elitist Progressive Socialist Closet Communist/Marxist Democrat in sheep’s clothing to completely disenfranchise U.S. Citizens from their own nation who have Legally and Lawfully EARNED the privilege of U.S. Citizenship by OBEYING all U.S. Federal Immigration Laws as Legal and Lawful Residents and who Legally and Lawfully and Constitutionally inherited Legal and Lawful U.S. Citizenship from their original Law Abiding Legal and Lawful Resident immigrant ancestors as defined, dictated and mandated by the Citizenship Clause within the 14th Amendment.

  • Vis Fac

    “El camarero, dos dedos de whisky sobre el hielo, por favor”

    LIBERAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has dome more to ruin this nation than any terrorist act. Open your eyes and see the amorality depravity and hedonism and how fast we’ve been corrupted in the past 30 years or so. I Include those RINOS who agree wit those who would destroy this nation

    “Politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.” George Orwell

    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

    Libertas inaestimabilis res est
    Semper-Fi

    • joe1cr

      The justice dept. and the courts have turn a blind eye to the crooks who walk the hall’s of congress and have give them a free pass to rob and gut America. Political corruption is the use of legislated powers by government officials for illegitimate private gain. Forms of corruption vary, but include bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement.
      For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed while citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform… in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. Their self-serving must stop.

      EQUAL LEGAL JUSTICE
      Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political. President Thomas Jefferson (First Inaugural Address) (Justice” here means legal justice.)

      Proposed Amendment to the United States Constitution: “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .”

      • Vis Fac

        Now get these thug congressmen to vote for it. As if that’ll ever happen!!!

        No government entity ever voluntarily imposes limits or reduces itself in size or funding. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. A government bureau like congress is the
        nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!

        The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • joe1cr

          “Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.”

          Thomas Jefferson

          • Vis Fac

            Good Post — And people think this is outdated INDEED!

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Good Post — And people think this is outdated INDEED!

            The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • Paul

    I have a suggestion! Build a large border fence to separate California from the rest of the US! Wha la, problem solved.

    • Vis Fac

      Ah yes the PRCM (Peoples Republic of Commie/Mexico) the land of fruits and nuts and governor moonbeam

      The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Motov

        Or more commonly known,…. “Mexifornia”

        • Vis Fac

          That too!!!

          The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • Average_Joe56

      Actually, I keep hoping that “The Big One” will hit and Mexifornia will become a very small island…a few hundred miles off the coast of Nevada…………..

    • Scott

      Sorry – My cousin in Alaska say’s thier up there too. Obviously hiding in the cold

  • Motov

    Ok we should treat “undocumented immigrants” just like Mexico treats their “undocumented immigrants”

    Enough said

  • laura merrone

    “Carmarero, necesito dos dedos de Escoces sobre hielo, por favor.” Translated for Ben Crystal. All of us better learn our Espanol…(Spanish)…