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The Celebration of Class Warfare

October 14, 2010 by  

The Celebration of Class Warfare

The weather was perfect — 72 degrees and sunny — for the "One Nation Working Together" rally at the Lincoln Memorial on Oct. 2. I was determined to go with an open mind because I wanted to try to understand what would motivate someone to attend an event sponsored by unions and self-proclaimed socialist and communist groups.

The first time I heard about the rally the thought crossed my mind how embarrassing it was that union bosses and their counterparts in a wide variety of extremist, left-wing organizations would put on an event to counter one sponsored by a television commentator, Glenn Beck. It was like a third-grader trying to one-up a popular rival on the playground.

Of course, the organizers would now deny they were responding to Beck’s 8/28 Restoring Honor event, but that in itself would be embarrassing given that they’ve been talking about it being their answer to his hugely successful rally since they first came up with the idea. On Saturday, I only heard bits and pieces of a few speeches, but at least one of the speakers shouted, "Somebody tell Glenn Beck there are more people here than at his event."

The rally started at noon and, as planned, I arrived in Washington just before 2:00 p.m. As I entered D.C. from the Virginia side, the first thing I noticed was that people were walking away from the rally site in droves. Not a good sign for an event that was scheduled to last until 4:00 p.m.

As I stopped at the first light after coming across the Teddy Roosevelt Bridge, I glanced to my left and was surprised to see a number of vacant parking spaces on 23rd Street — something unheard of in a city where you can drive around for an hour in search of a parking spot. I did a quick left onto 23rd and promptly backed into one of the available spaces.

My wife and I then started walking toward the Lincoln Memorial, an easy trek compared to the exhausting walk we had endured for the 8/28 Restoring Honor rally when the closest parking we could find was at the Willard Hotel on 14th Street. As we walked toward the Lincoln Memorial, people wearing T-shirts emblazoned with logos and wording in keeping with the theme of the rally continued streaming by us in the opposite direction.

On arriving at the site the first thing I did was try to estimate the crowd size, which I’ve become pretty adept at. This particular case, however, was unusually difficult because of the nonstop flow of people leaving the event early. At any given time, however, I estimated that the density of the crowd ranged from one-fifth to one-tenth that of the Restoring Honor gathering.

At the Beck rally it was strictly shoulder-to-shoulder, virtually impossible to walk in most places. That crowd was no less than 500,000 — and perhaps as high as 750,000. But one of the many differences with the 8/28 event was that virtually everyone stayed until the rally was officially over. They were there by choice.

To be as fair as possible, I generously factored in the large number of people who had departed two hours or more before I arrived at the One Nation rally and came up with a crowd estimate of between 75,000 to 150,000 — far more than the 30,000 to 50,000 I had guessed might show up. Clearly, I had underestimated the power of union bosses handing down mandates to their rank and file to attend.

But to me the crowd size didn’t really matter, because they were two totally different events. Beck is just one individual — a radio and television personality — who produced a rally (primarily using his own money) with a theme of restoring honor to America and to honor fallen U.S. soldiers. By contrast, the 10/2 event was a political rally sponsored by a wide array of well-funded, far-left organizations.

The big question is not who had the largest crowd; that wasn’t even close. The more important question is why rally organizers like Al Sharpton would be so focused on trying to show the public they could outdraw a media personality.

To the crowd’s credit, though the signs and rhetoric were brazenly anti-freedom and anti-free market, people were generally well behaved, though clearly lacking in enthusiasm. To their discredit, however, trash was everywhere, which I have found to be a trademark of those on the left — especially the environmental crowd.

Again, by contrast, it was hard to find any trash on the ground at Beck’s 8/28 event. There are many conjectures I could draw from this observation, but due to space limitations, I’ll leave that psychological endeavor up to you.

Tabloid-size "newspapers" were all over the place. One was called The Militant, which featured the headline: "Public education is a birth right, not a corporate profit."

Another one, Challenge: The Revolutionary Communist Newspaper of Progressive Labor Party, sported a logo that read "Fight for Communism." Mind you, this was a rally called "One Nation Working Together" — in the capital city of the United States of America!

Then there were the signs:

  • "Wages that are rightfully ours."
  • "We demand $$$ for jobs and education."
  • "The American Dream promises a free education."
  • "Black Is Back."
  • "Capitalism is failing. Socialism is the answer."

At one of the many tables where books were being sold I wrote down such titles as Bolshevism, What Is Marxism, The Communist Manifesto, Four Marxist Classics and Black Liberation and Socialism. Quite an array of reading material for an event titled "One Nation Working Together."

Then there were the pamphlets, with such patriotic verbiage as:

  • "Fight for a Two-Year National Moratorium to Halt All Foreclosures and Evictions."
  • "Jobs for All! Public-Works Program Now!"
  • "Make the bosses pay for their crisis!"

I could fill a book with what I saw at the rally, but to me the bottom line is this: The Oct. 2 "One Nation Working Together" event was simply a celebration of that age-old disease, class warfare. Unwittingly, the hate peddlers who promoted it provided a public-service by letting us know they are still out there, alive and well. And they are poised and ready to bring down the American way of life — especially freedom and the free-market system.

As I walked back up 23rd Street after my short stay at the rally, the little security guard inside my brain whispered to me, "This was a reminder that America is irrevocably split into those who want to put a stop to the government’s policy of redistributing wealth and those who demand that the government use force to give them even more of other people’s wealth.

The latter group (which I estimate at nearly one-third of the current U.S. population) is fully prepared to sell their souls to a totalitarian regime in exchange for the "stuff" they think they deserve. I’m not sure how they define deserve, but it matters not. What does matter, sadly, is that they are nothing more than pawns in a power game that has existed probably since the Neolithic Age.

These pawns have long been referred to — by everyone from George Orwell to Alvin Toffler to Saul Alinsky — as the Have-Nots. This is what the "One Nation Working Together" rally was all about, nothing more and nothing less. It’s an old theme that will continue to be with us until the last breath of humankind has been extinguished.

And the truth that many people do not want to believe is that there is no solution to the problem. The only hope is containment. Right now, a majority of Americans are poised to push back and try to contain the radical left from bringing down the curtain on capitalism and individual sovereignty. But no matter what happens on Nov. 2, no one should be deluded into believing the war is over. The war will never be over.

Start preparing your mind now for what’s coming after Nov. 2, and teach your children what Ronald Reagan said back in 1964:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

After what I saw and heard in D.C. on Oct. 2, I can vouch for the Dutchman’s words.

—Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • JeffH

    This should be a lesson to think about, “it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog”.
    We’ve got to keep fighting for what is right and good for America, not what is right and good for the world. The fight in all of us must continue through the Nov. elections until we all can declare a small victory in the fight for America’s sovereignty and restore “the American Dream”, not the American handout! The leftist hacks at the DC rally couldn’t get close to the passion and love of the American way of life and I’m sure that a good number of them have no spirit, just a lust for the freebies.

    Keep up the good fight and never back down, even from the “Big Dawgs”.

    • Mike Austin,TX

      We are the BIG dawgs. We outnumber them 2-1. We just have to make noise comparable to our true size.

      • FreedomFighter

        Education is the answer to ridding the world of socialism/communism ideals. History shows splendidly what a complete failure this centralized totalitarian ideal of utopia is for all involved.

        Example: Russia, until shedding many communist foolhardylness ideas and adopting capitalism, Russia was a very ugly, brutish place to live with little god, freedom, nor did they have much happyness.

        Example: China, same thing, an economic powerhouse, they only need become more like American constitutional goverment, then success for China and the world.

        Socialism and Communism failed, get over it liberal lefties.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Linda

          You are so right FreedomFighter. But the scary thing is they have already for years now started indoctrinating our children. We have become complacent and it’s happened right before our eyes. I say to all of you out there with small children: Home school or send your children to private school. We have those in charge teaching our children about the Muslim way of life and even planning field trips for them to go and see a mosque. This is a religion of Death To Infidels. We are the infidels. There should only be freedom of religion when it doesn’t infringe on the rest of us to believe the way we want. Muslims are now asking for us to be Sharia compliant. Whatever happened to you come to this country you assimilate? Where did that get lost? You want Sharia law? You want to build a mosque honoring those who killed thousands? Go home and build it on your own grounds. We have to stop this BS of being politically correct and start getting a backbone. God Help Us All

          • Elle Hughes — Seymour, Connecticut

            You are so right ! Lets hope that enough Americans feel that same way or we will lose everything we have worked for all our lives.

          • Anthony

            LINDA – Indoctrinate your kids BACK to where their heads belong….

            E Z enough cure….. no?

          • http://duke-duquette@sunflower.com Norman Duquette

            Linda, you are so right. Our current Left Wing Administration and Unions are now pushing for “FREE EDUCATION”. As a former communist Prisoner of War, I saw commuist “FREE EDUCATION” and its objectives of sereptitiously “Brain Washing” students and captured personnel into believing that Communism is the cure for all of the World’s shortcomings. Communism has tried and failed as a viable way of governance. “FREE EDUCATION” is another enticing Political promise for our younger generation, with the intent of guaranteeing to gain the votes of our young voters. Left wingers will say and promise anything to gain voters approval and especially their votes. The promises of our left wing Administration have done nothing to improve the lives of the American People. Our Politicians have pushed us to the brink of collapse as a FREE Democratic, Constitutional Nation. Falure is imminent unless we develop a culture of hope, a culture of faith, a culture of freedom, and a culture of survival. Without a steadfast endeavor on the part of our FREE American people, I fear that we are indeed doomed as a FREE constitutional Nation.

          • Granny Mae

            Linda,

            I agree with you gal. Friday my grandson 15, came home and told his grandfather and I that his teacher told the class that day not to bother to vote when they got old enough. It wasn’t worth the effort and they should just leave the voting to someone else ! I don’t need to tell you that the two of us went into orbit ! I called the principal and related the story and she said she would look into it and get back with me on Monday. She didn’t so I decided to give her till Friday just in case she was busy etc. Come the morning I will be at her desk and we will get this thing figured out. It may just be that he was trying to make a point and the kids took it wrong. At 15 that can happen, but I feel this is serious enough to get to the bottom of the matter. I hope it was just a mis-understanding on the part of my grandson. We will see . If not the crap is going to hit the fan !

          • libertytrain

            Granny – hope you update us on the story of your grandson’s teacher telling them not to vote – that’s criminal -if you find it to be accurate -

        • http://newland65@msn.com chick

          Like the saying,life is tuff,even more so when you are stupid.. these people are stupid to think that everything should be given to them.they have recieved thing’s free for awhile, now they want it all the time.. they are too dumb to actually think they should work for a living…This president want’s to make sure that these people think that everything is free, man are they in for a rude awaking.

        • Charles

          FreedomFighter, are you overlooking the fact that the classrooms in America are under the control of communists and socialists? What chance do our young have to ever learn the truth about the failure of the communist “utopia” dream?

          • Jesse

            You can teach your children at home. I point out things about the government and its wrongful ways to my son all the time. I also encourage him to read and learn to think for himself. As he gets older, I plan on buying him specific books to read. There is a lot I do not know, but I figure I cannot go wrong with the classics.

          • Bus

            don’t just bail out of the public schools to save your own kid’s minds, work hard at the local level to get the schools to reflect the values of the community. We have too long allowed the educational bureaucracy to rule and reign with little regard for the needs of the children. Elect some real tea party folks into the school board and effect some change at the public school level that will help all children. But by all means boycott the liberal/socialist dens known as the University. Vote with your dollars on the college level and let those in the Ivy towers know that their brainwashing tactics will not be paid for by your tuition dollars.

      • Dagney

        I believe we actually outnumber them THREE to ONE. The fact that the lame-stream media and academia is dominated by them, makes them seem that much louder. However, it’s a sham. If asked the right questions, a large majority of people in this country want and understand the founding concepts of individual liberty and freedom. Many on the fringes are being re-educated right now as to what “liberal” actually means and they are NOT liking it. I have much hope. But, yes, we must never stop reminding people and not let them go back to sleep!

      • Bob Thom

        Mike in Austin, unfortunately those who support individual Liberty, responsibility, property rights, small unobtrusive government are really only about one third of the population as well. The other third are those who will take the Socialist/Communist programs at face value under the guise of “Positive Rights” like a right to health care, a home, a state funded retirement, etc.

        We face the same problem a did Washington in the middle years of the Revolution. People who would join the fight when it directly effected them and when the fight moved to another area would not go. This is the reason that Washington’s regular Continental Army rarely numbered over 5,000 men; this is the reason that while the British only controlled roughly 5% of the landmass and populated areas a force of about 50,000 took 8 years to be defeated by a population of about 3,000,000.

        Mr. Ringer is absolutely correct in that the enemy will never quit in its efforts to destroy the America founded on Judeo-Christian ethics enshrined in the Declaration and put into action by the Constitution. If we are to ultimately prevail it will have to be by regaining the educational system where Progressive ideology is fed to our youth from day one. It will through ceaseless efforts and not simply one or two elections.

        Just as personal (Spiritual) salvation depends not upon a collective change of mind but an individual change of heart, national (political)salvation depends on a change of heart away from nanny state solutions to individuals working toward securing their own, and in the process their Nation’s Freedom.

        • Wlmitch1

          Your comment is correct and to the point. I must congratulate you, sir, for a very well-written comment!

    • Wanda Murline

      I really wonder exactly how many of these people actually came to this rally without co-ersion from the unions. I know for a fact that a lot of people were bussed there, when everyone at Beck’s drove or flew in on their own. There were students who were given extra credit to attend from one of their teachers at college. So, if you factor in that many of these people did not want to be there, can you really state that there are 1/3 of the populus wanting communism?

      • Steve

        that’s most likely why they left early….they were required, bussed in or coerced into going but once there they were not required to stay till the end so they left ASAP…..

        • ceberw

          Wrong. I have a job and cannot take four hours off in the middle of the day.

          • JeffH

            ???..or otherwise you would have attended? Clarify your comment and help us to understand why the above comment was “wrong”. I’m just asking?

          • ceberw

            I just could not stay for four hours. What about that is hard to understand?

          • Mac

            Ceberw: Who/What are you calling “Wrong?” JeffH – and I – are wondering if you are denying people were bussed in.

          • TIME

            Mac,
            There were bused in and got a Free Lunch too, and thats what many said when I asked them why there were there, most of them wouldn’t know a, Dis from a Dat.

          • JC

            Well, that accounts for “one” persons…wonder what happened to the other couple of hundred thousand or so?

          • ceberw

            Time: They were bused??

    • HFlashman

      Wow…so the Middle Class and working Ame4rica has been under attack since 1980. They’ve taken it on the chin time and again while the welfare for the wealthy contiues to grow and power slips from Amercians to a few elite…there’ a recognition that after 30 years of being atacked, whipped, lied to and raped it’s a small window opening to try and stem the tide of subsidizing the wealthy and paying for the privilge of being poor

      And you guys…self proclamed ‘Patriots’ slam Americans, slam Working Americans…and swallow the ejactulations of your wealthy Masters taking umbrage at the fact that the attacks beginning with Reagan and continuing with every GOP administration and/or GOP Congress are now being recognized as what they truly are..attacks at the very core of our nation.

      Wow … as I said…”self proclaimed patriots’…because you sure as heck aren’t called Patriots by ordinary and working Americans, you know…those who are battling your Masters…

      • John S.

        At the outset here I proclaim myself as a lifelong conservative. More importantly I am honest with myself and review the facts rather than join a lock-step mantra response. Let us look at the facts here.

        The self styled right wing in this country rose up in the 1950′s under McCarthy. It re-emerged under Nixon and Reagan. Again it moved out front during the two Bush eras. With the exception of the 1950′s, each time it has taken a portion of the middle class and there has been a transfer of wealth to the top 1%. Let us also recognize that the increased standard of living in the U.S. started with Henry Ford and his recognition that in order for the economy to be balanced, there was a need for the workers who produced the products to be able to purchase them as well. That ushered in the unions and organized labor. During that era, until the Reagan administration, we had the highest standard of living in the World and it had improved yearly. We are now in a race to the bottom.

        The super patriots of the last few decades are the very same people who have had personal relationships with and business dealings with those totalitarian governments abroad. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and China rank up there as those countries, who have no human rights, endorse and finance radical movements and are against our way of life. These super patriots are the first to either do business with these countries or move there when they break the law here. Haliburton and Black Water come to mind. Their participation in this last war has been simply a transfer of public money and wealth from the middle class tax payer to elite companies with political right wing ties. This happened in the name cost savings and streamlining. No bid contracts were the order of the day and fraud and over charging have been common. Billions of dollars are unaccounted for. No problem, just move the companies and executives to countries who don’t recognize international law. These are the great patriots of our time. People like Steve Winn abandon their country when it gets tough. The Koch brothers rape the land and influence the elections to benefit deregulation of common sense measures in order to make more money for themselves. The Supreme Court rules that corporations, domestic and foreign, have the same right to public influence as do the citizens.

        Take a look at the GINI coefficient and see where we are with relationship to other countries Worldwide. Our balance of wealth distribution is almost that of Mexico now. The plan is to continue to destroy the middle class and erode the wealth in the middle. That will take care of the immigration problem. Nobody will want to come here if their standard of living is as good or better than it is here. This is treason folks and it is engineered. Privatize and deregulate everything and let the banks handle it. Destroy the VA as it has the finest health information system and best practice model nationally. We don’t want any demonstrated success in health care other than the fragmented supply system that the common folks have. Oppose any reinvestment in the infrastructure including the rail system, roads and bridges. It is crazy. This is all in the name of improved wealth accumulation at the top.

        The real enemy here is the utter ignorance of the middle class and the inability to recognize the truth. The Becks, Murdochs and Limbaughs of this World are for their own wealth improvement and have not real empathy for those who have made it possible to this point. The middle class needs to rise up and support, no, demand American production of goods and products. Accountability is in order for the public airwaves, corporations and public office holders alike.

        For the life of me, I cannot understand middle America taking the position of thos who have and continue to destroy what we have all worked for. This Tea Party movement is simply a vehicle of the extreme right. History is repeating itself here. It is like 1938 in Germany all over. The extreme right accuses the left of what they themselves are. Meanwhile the people in the middle are manipulated and the rights are chipped away along with the wealth of the middle class. I am afraid that most people here are misguided.

        • Charles

          John S., I pity you. You claim to be a conservative, but your rant is pure leftist propaganda.

          • Conservative at Birth

            My seniments exactly. Richard Nixon was not a conservative. Neither was Nelson Rockefeller, Gerald Ford, George H.W. Bush, or Bob Dole.

          • http://none Jeff Hanks

            He’s telling it like it is. The truth is ugly and one can only see and understand when they have the intelligence or desire to do so.

          • http://naver sook young

            Jeff Hanks are you trying to say that you are intelligent and have the desire to learn? Then please change your way of thinking and come to the right side of this fight. Thanky you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

        • Warrior

          Well, it is certainly a good thing that now the “Left Wing” is in power, all this nonsense has stopped. Wait a minute, it hasn’t stopped it’s getting worse, they’re just transferring middle class wealth to????

          • http://none Jeff Hanks

            The right has left them literally unable to do much of what they would like. Everyone will pay for the right’s foolishness. Once your real rights are gone you may never get them back. Perhaps you like the fact that the most powerful corportations will be able to buy elections.

        • Anthony

          WOW – talk about half-informed and totally misguided…

          • http://none Jeff Hanks

            can you elaborate?

        • Kathy

          The sad thing here, John, is that both the corporatists’ and the socialists’ agendas are essentially the same…. screw the middle class and give more money and power to the elite in power. I wish that everyone would see this and elect middle of the road fiscal conservatives for office instead of extremists… right or left!

          • Christin

            Thank you Kathy.
            Now that’s a sensible comment.

          • http://naver sook young

            Now that is a statement that I can agree with. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://none Jeff Hanks

            Socialists do not have the same agenda as corporatists. Corporatists are how can I make more money. Socialists are how can we ensure that everyone has access to clean water, food, safety, healthcare, a job, affordable housing, and an education that has quality and allows for everyone to participate in society and help make it better.

          • http://naver sook young

            If I remember right, Jeff Hanks, they attempt to do this with other people’s money and greatly overburden the average person. Can you tell me a successful socialist governemnt? They either become democracies (East Europe and Russia), they become bankrupt and fall into chaos, or they adopt principles of capitalism (China) and improve themselves from within. Can you explain why you would like to see America a country of handouts and not one of hard work? My husband has always told our 4 children: “You’re not entitled to anything you don’t earn.” Handouts are not earning anything are they? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

        • bruce d.

          John S. says:
          “The real enemy here is the utter ignorance of the middle class and the inability to recognize the truth.”

          John S. it is almost like you are talking about yourself. You would have to be right there at the top of the list for failure to recognize truth.

          • http://none Jeff Hanks

            what truth would that be Bruce D.?

          • Michael J.

            Jeff Hanks,
            You said: “Socialists do not have the same agenda as corporatists. Corporatists are how can I make more money. Socialists are how can we ensure that everyone has access to clean water, food, safety, healthcare, a job, affordable housing, and an education that has quality and allows for everyone to participate in society and help make it better.”

            The fact of the matter is that the foot soldiers of the Socialist/ Communist Elite, like yourself who are referred to by these same utopian snake oil salesman as “Useful Idiots” when no one is listening. Useful idiots because the brainwashing you have received from public education and mass media neglected to inform you that when complete Communism has come to fruition, you and your comrades will be eliminated. Once the elite aquire the totalitarian power they desire, the last thing they will want is a bunch of disgruntled radicals who finally realize that there will be no ensured access to clean water,food, safety,healthcare, a job, affordable housing, or education. And instead of participating in society to make it better, you will be ruled by the proverbial “Iron fisted dictator wearing velvet gloves”.

            Read some history, you fool, you fool!

        • Big D

          I agree that we must again start producing goods in America , and stop consuming goods from other countries on such an enormous scale . Only then will our economy be stable . Ford had it right and the unions used to be a far different thing then .

        • http://none Jeff Hanks

          brilliant post John S. Please run for office!

          • http://naver sook young

            I think you have lost your mind. Please leave. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

      • Charles

        HFlashman, it’s obvious you’re a leftist. Your propaganda lacks truth. You cannot deny that the leftist idea is to steal money from the producers and give to those who are too lazy to work. You also ignore the fact that many of the middle-class have moved up into the higher income realm. The number of millionaires has sky-rocketed over the past few decades. Only a jealous lay-about would find that offensive. This upward mobility proves that the foundation of this country still exists. Unfortunately, the leftists are trying to permanently destroy it, thus leaving everyone in poverty, except for their own elite.

        • Karolyn

          Charles, You said “The number of millionaires has sky-rocketed over the past few decades. Only a jealous lay-about would find that offensive.:” I take umbrage at your remark. I am not jealous, and I would not call myself a “layabout,” and I think that the wealthy should pay more taxes. I do not care about wealth because all the wealthy do is worry about having more and keeping it safe. There are certainly more important things than money. I keep saying there should be more like Warren Buffett who wants to pay his fair share. I don’t know if you heard of the story where he compared his receptionists taxes to his own and found such a disparity he was appalled. He and Bill Gates also donate enormous sums of money to deserving organizations. Greediness is the problem I have.

          • TIME

            Karolyn,
            Thats right they both gave to Planned Parenthood, the total sum of $67 Billion dollars, to help with the eugenic’s programs.
            Wow thats really good stuff hey?

          • Karolyn

            Oh, c’mon Time, they’ve given to more organizations than that! Here’s a sample of Buffett’s Foundation grants:
            Sample Grants
            $ 42,640 to Abortion Access Project , Cambridge , MA
            $ 100,000 to Boys & Girls Club of Dalton-Whitfield County , Dalton , GA
            $ 457,000 to Boys & Girls Clubs of Omaha , Omaha , NE
            $ 71,000 to Downtown Tomorrow , Kalamazoo , MI
            $ 140,000 to Engenderhealth , New York , NY
            $ 1,178,148 to Family Health International , Research Triangle Park , NC
            $ 497,532 to Girls Inc. of Omaha , Omaha , NE
            $ 10,000 to Homeless Prenatal Program , CA
            $ 170,943 to Johns Hopkins Community Physicians , Baltimore , MD
            $ 456,305 to Magee-Womens Health Foundation , Pittsburgh , PA For research
            $ 200,000 to Medical Students for Choice , Oakland , CA
            $ 300,000 to Milwaukee Center for Independence , Milwaukee , WI
            $ 10,300 to Ms. Foundation for Women , New York , NY
            $ 170,000 to National Abortion Federation , Washington , DC
            $ 575,000 to National Alliance of State and Territorial AIDS Directors , Washington , DC
            $ 250,000 to National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy , Washington , DC
            $ 10,000 to New Rhythms Foundation , Tiburon , CA Aging; Art & music therapy; Mentally disabled; Performing arts, music
            $ 10,384 to Northeast Community College , Norfolk , NE
            $ 50,000 to Ounce of Prevention Fund , Chicago , IL
            $ 267,357 to Planned Parenthood Association of Southwest and Central Florida , Sarasota , FL
            $ 250,000 to Planned Parenthood of Alaska , Anchorage , AK
            $ 75,000 to Planned Parenthood of Minnesota and South Dakota , Saint Paul , MN
            $ 352,000 to Planned Parenthood of San Diego & Riverside , San Diego , CA
            $ 28,000 to Planned Parenthood of Shasta-Diablo , Concord , CA
            $ 700,000 to Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice , Washington , DC
            $ 250,000 to Second Chance Foundation (NE) , Omaha , NE
            $ 10,000 to Shanti , San Francisco , CA
            $ 100,000 to United Methodist Community Centers , Omaha , NE
            $ 10,000 to United for a Fair Economy , Boston , MA
            $ 15,140 to University of Alabama , Tuscaloosa , AL
            $ 55,000 to University of Puerto Rico , Cayey , PR
            $ 75,000 to Womens Commission for Refugee Women and Children , New York , NY
            Yes, he has given to women’s free-choice groups, which I believe is commendable, but they have also given to AIDS, refugees, schools, prenatal care, etc. Planned Parenthood is not just about abortion anyway. Here are the types of organizations funded:

            Diseases/Disabilities General:
            Education, Classroom Teaching and Learning:
            Education, Higher Education:
            Health Care:
            Health Care, Access:
            Health Care, Prenatal Care:
            Health Policy:
            Health, Global Health & Infectious Diseases:
            Reproductive Health, Family Planning:
            Reproductive Health, Reproductive Rights:
            Reproductive Health, Sexual Health:
            Women & Public Policy:
            Women’s Health:
            Women, centers/services:
            Youth Development, Centers/Clubs:
            Youth/Teen Pregnancy Prevention:

          • Karolyn

            TIME – Where did you get the information about eugenics and Planned Parenthood? Probably from a slanted report like all of the ones I found upon searching for info. Just more stuff to inflame an already inflamed public. Right-wingers just love to drum up more and more hate and anger. True, Margaret Sanger may be linked to eugenics; but she’s been out of the picture for a long time.

          • Conservative at Birth

            The point is that they voluntarily donate the money. For you to steal money from someone else because you think they have to much is simple thievery! So, you admit you are a thief?

          • HFlashman

            Conservative …

            A piece of work you are one has to admit. Requiring the wealthy…those who gained their wealth from the benefits of this nation…and who live here enjoying those benefits…are’t paying their fair share. Plain and simple.

            Instead not only do they continue to reap the benefits..they ask for even more subsidy and welfare programs.

          • Karolyn

            Right-on, Flashman. I don’t understand how these conservatives don’t get it.

      • http://none Jeff Hanks

        well said Mr. Flashman I agree totally!

        • http://naver sook young

          Another crazy answer. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai
          Vote November 2!

  • s c

    So how much money did those scummers have to pay out to get people to show up at that moronic festival? I can’t help feeling that the pathetic bastards who control these groups underestimated our ability to remember history.
    Between union airheads and what sounds like a herd of spectacularly stupid students (what Al Capp used to refer to as Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything – aka SWINE), their combined rhetoric makes a pre-pubescent teen sound like a scholar.
    The idea of class warfare is straight out of Lenin’s Bolshevik pig slop. That b s failed. Socialistic utopias failed. Russia failed. China failed until it adopted and then bastardized capitalism.
    Herr Obummer rants about failed policies, but he’s so busy failing himself that he can’t understand what failure really is. He personifies failure. Russia is thataway, and China is thataway, prez.

    • Paul

      I think you are wrong about China. I am writing this Email from Beijing and I have spent a good many days already in Shanghai. To me this large country of 1.5 billion inhabitants is changing very rapidly for a country of it’s size. They are where we were in the Roaring 20′s under warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge.New businesses springing up all over and the government is staying out of the way. No REGULATIONS and taxations.There are many new European and Japanese cars as well as three wheeler home made motorized transportation vehicles around. Typically these three wheelers have no license plates or registrations.People are selling things on the streets, doorways and small stores. The country is growing of course there is still a large number of their population very poor. They like American things and signs are in many places in both Chinese and English. They will not have SHARIA law in this Country I don’t know about our own.

      • TIME

        Paul,
        Did you know that China is the worlds #1 producer of Organs?
        And I don’t mean Wilitzers I mean, Lungs, Hearts, Kidneys, livers, eye’s etc.. Yes they are changing, that I grant you, but they will never ever be like what we had here in the US ever.

        Oh and just for the record, they harvest these parts while the persons are still alive and have plenty of life left.
        Now just how well do you think that works out for a guy who’s heart is harvested?

        • Kate8

          TIME – I remember reading some time back that human life is not held to much value in China. There is a lot of crime, and not much is done about it.

          I guess there are just so many of them that they are expendable. Not to mention that since under communism there is no God, there is really no One to care about life.

          A country can never be truly great nor free under communism.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/ben-crystal/the-first-step-to-solving-aproblem/?replytocom=156101#respond Bud

            Kate,

            You can’t believe all you read.. crime is very low there haha people are afraid to commit crimes for they don’t put criminals in jails where they get buffed up or get a college degree and learn how to play the guitar. They make it a miserable place to be. There are many Christians as well as Buddhist and other religions.. no one stops them as long as they aren’t some unorthodox religion like the Rev Moon group etc.. but there is a lot of Govt control still .. they don’t enjoy the privacy laws we have.. the govt I believe checks email coming from abroad there.. Just thought I’d mention not waving a flag for China.. great place to visit.. people are friendly.. crime is low but.. wouldn’t want to live there.. Pollution is high and Govt is too controlling since they have 2.5 more people than us approx.

          • Kate8

            Bud, I certainly have no first-hand knowlege of life in China. I have heard stories of Christian persecutions, and of ministers being held in prisons for many years because of being Christian.

            The article I read was written (years ago) by a visitor to Shanghai. I’m sure some places are worse than others, like anywhere else.

            I know that many of them are wonderful people, as I know some of them who have come here. But they also have a history of government brutality, and lack of respect for human life. That is usually the case under communism, and I shudder to see what is happening here in America as we move in that direction.

        • HFlashman

          Time —> Now just how well do you think that works out for a guy who’s heart is harvested?

          I don’t know…we should be asking the GOP leadership that question since they have personal knowledge

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/ben-crystal/the-first-step-to-solving-aproblem/?replytocom=156101#respond Bud

        Paul,

        I agree.. You find out a lot of the conceptions we have of China are just not true also. I believe they are experiencing more than they ever had before .. you see it when you’re there. taxes are low compared to here.. it’s now more a “controlled Capitalism” than old Marxist.
        Politics are not like here. no elections of democracy but I certainly don’t view them as slaves. I enjoy the sites and culture .. leave their politics to them and mine to myself.

        • Lewis Munn

          However, they do persecute Christianity. Freedom of religion is for non-Christians only. Apparently those who really fight for good, honest life are undesirable under the government controls.

          Check the website for “Voice of the Martyrs” for specifics; you may be surprised if you give a fair look.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/ben-crystal/the-first-step-to-solving-aproblem/?replytocom=156101#respond Bud

            I did Lewis… thanks for the link.. I’m open-minded and I know atrocities, persecutions of faith and race/orgins happen all over .. it’s a pitiful shame .. but it happens even here.. by our government maybe in different forms.. we are lucky our constitution give us this freedom of Religion and Speech.. for that we are gifted..

            I think Jefferson said “Government in it’s purist form is a necessary evil” man he wasn’t exaggerating.
            Thanks again for info and site.

        • http://Verizon Bud G.

          Bud:

          My brother-in-law recently returned from China with his wife who is Chinese. He taught English at a University there.

          He said that China is a beautiful place but far behind the United States in many ways. He said it is like the United States in the 50′s.
          One thing he learned is attempting to get anything accomplished in a timely fashion in China is nearly impossible even at the American Embassy there. He left there very disappointed and cheated out of over $10,000 in salary owed him on his contract. They shut down his internet access after he complained about the issue to the Government.
          He paid for the same documentation as many as three times because they would say it wasn’t filed in the right location, stamp was in the wrong place, etc. Thinking about it, though, it is very much like our present Administration and Congress and that would be inept and corrupt.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/the-celebration-of-class-warfare/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_14_PLA&rrid=344228790&replytocom=253609#respond Bud

            BudG…Man that is a real shame that happened.. Yes there are many injustices everywhere we turn.. That just confirms my thoughts about all govt’s .. they’re just a necessary evil.. and they sure do unnecessary things… thanks for your imput.. I was lucky to have some pretty good experiences each time I visited.. Bank of China gave me a bad day once..but luckily a bank teller that wasn’t caught up in the bureaucracy fixed it.

            Take care!

    • Soldier

      Its always hilarious to me that these idiot communist slaves are angry at the millionaire Joe who lives a few blocks to a few miles away, but not FURIOUS at the HYPER BILLIONAIRES like Bill Gates, David Rockefeller (i.e. the New World Order) who live on tropical islands and who control the purse strings of major corporations and arguably, entire countries.

      No one of course is ever mad at the rich union bosses, the fact that Al Gore pumps out more CO2 into the atmosphere in one year than I could IF I TRIED MY HARDEST TO POLLUTE with my means available to me in 10-20 years, or mad at Obama for keeping the Shite house at 90 degrees F in the dead of winter. Gee, wonder why that is?

      • Karolyn

        Bill Gates has given away millions of dollars to charity. He and Warren Buffett are great philanthropists and Americans.

        • bruce d.

          Bill Gates has also done everything he possibly could to destroy free market principles to get that money to give away. A huge portion of which goes to Africa. Gates has been prosecuted and found guilty of fixing markets to keep all competition out. He and George Soros have been bent on destroying the system that has made them their wealth.

          • Karolyn

            Here is a list of Gates Foundation recipients, and they are far from all in Africa:

            •GAVI Alliance, expanding childhood immunization: $1.5 billion
            •United Negro College Fund, Gates Millennium Scholars Program: $1.37 billion
            •PATH Malaria Vaccine Initiative (MVI): $456 million
            •Rotary International, supporting polio eradication: $355 million
            •Intensive Partnerships for Effective Teaching, supporting plans to transform how teachers are recruited, developed, rewarded, and retained: $290 million
            ◦Hillsborough County Public Schools: $100 million
            ◦Memphis City Schools: $90 million
            ◦The College-Ready Promise, Los Angeles: $60 million
            ◦Pittsburgh Public Schools: $40 million
            •Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa (AGRA), improving seeds and soil for African farmers: $264.5 million
            •Save the Children, saving newborn lives: $112 million
            •United Way of King County: $85 million
            •World Food Programme increasing small farmer income: $66 million
            •TechnoServe, helping small coffee farmers improve crops and fetch higher prices: $46.9 million
            •Heifer International, helping small farmers grow local and regional dairy markets: $43 million
            •Alliance for Financial Inclusion (AFI), a coalition of countries from the developing world making savings accounts, insurance, and other financial services available to people living on less than $2 a day: $35 million
            •Consultative Group to Assist the Poor (CGAP), testing and promoting the use of information and communications technologies to deliver microfinance products: $24 million
            •Achieve, Inc. and the American Diploma Project Network, assisting states in aligning high school standards with the expectations of college and career: $23 million
            •Opportunity Online Program, multiple library systems: $22.9 million
            •Ministry of Culture of the Republic of Latvia, supporting the installation of public computers with Internet access, training for staff, and implementation support for public libraries: $19.8 million
            •Opportunity International Inc., developing and expanding a network of commercial banks in Africa: $15.4 million
            •Gateway to College, expanding a program that enables colleges to serve students who need remedial academic help: $7.28 million
            •Building Changes, helping create the Washington Families Fund and supporting efforts in King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties to reduce family homelessness: $17.5 million

            Read the list and see how many organizations within this country are being helped!

            If the rich helped more, the government would not have to do so much for them.

    • James

      S c, China failed because of its socialist structure. It began to prosper when the U.S. granted it “most favored nation” treatment, just before it turned communist. This opened up America’s markets to China’s quasi-slave-labor factories, and the imbalance of trade that followed made China the financial giant it is.

      • Wanda Murline

        You are correct, but China has a problem of its own…its people like the way America works and sooner or later, they are going to want the freedoms that we enjoy. Tennament Square years ago is just the underling message of the people of China. You cannot allow the citizens to learn about freedoms without them wanting to enjoy these also. It will come to China just like it did to Russia. People inheritently want to be free and this is something that is trenched deep within every person, even the Chinese citizens.

        • http://www.personalliberty.com/ben-crystal/the-first-step-to-solving-aproblem/?replytocom=156101#respond Bud

          I agree with Paul above concerning China.. you must see China to understand what’s going on.. (Since my wife is from Guangzhou I have made several trips all over the country) They are experiencing Free Market consumerism with of course a govt that puts a lot of regulation on them… but this govt does like to appease and protect it’s nation. it’s not the old Mao School and Cultural Revolution days Americans imagine.. It’s evolving to become the Top Economic power it’s striving to reach this goal. So yes I think People will demand more freedoms.
          I don’t know about organ taking.. but I know a lot of rumors about China is fabricated here as many are fabricated there about America.. many would not do not want our system nor see us a a nation of freedom. Our system and Government is unique to America and God hope we never loose it totally.. but I do think we ought to not expect the rest of the world to want or enjoy our quasi- Capitalism nor think we’d be better off with their Quasi-Communism.. for we would NOT be.. for neither country now meets those two systems.. I hope I didn’t offend anyone .. I love America… our Constitution and our freedoms but sure fear my own government..

          • ke

            The fact that I just read that a u.s. citizen is scared of our own government, scares the daylight out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/ben-crystal/the-first-step-to-solving-aproblem/?replytocom=156101#respond Bud

            Yeah Ke will I believe maybe some conspiracies have been brewed up to rob us of our freedoms slowly for most of the last century.. and I can’t believe if you’ve never heard “I love my country and fear my Government” a lot of Patriots I know share this same feeling.

          • Nolan

            I not only fear my government, I am scared to death of it. We have let it go unchecked for too long now and I am afraid that it cannot be reined back in. It considers our constitution to just be window dressing and not to be considered whenever the government wants to make changes, usually taking away rights guaranteed us by that constitution.

      • Mac

        James, China was Communist under Mao Tse-Tung long before Nixon gave it “Most Favored Nation” status. It seemed to me like it only took a couple of years for nearly every product to be “Made in China.”

    • royallyangryconservative

      Most likely, it was ‘double time’.

      Never forget the the Teamster President said

      “They ‘have to go’, and they ‘want to go’.”

      Which to me said ……..YES they have to go, and if they don’t want to go … they darn well better fake it if they want to keep their jobs.

    • http://none Jeff Hanks

      Obama was handed a catastrophe and asked to perform a miracle. Bush was given a golden opportunity and he squandered it by starting two wars. Many countries in the world and citizens breathed a sigh of relief when Bush left office and Obama entered. Another 4 years of republicans probably would have led to world war 3.

      • http://naver sook young

        Are you really this crazy? Bush took over and had to correct the mistakes left behind by Clinton. He gave us tax cuts across the board, erased the marriage tax penalty, took out terrorists that were wanting to take us out, so on and so on. Why do you purposely lie on this site. Many of this country’s problems came from the democrat Congress and Senate. Also companies that were supported by the democrats, like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. As far as I’m concerned, this president has done nothing for us “We the people.” He should get over his muslim and socialist views and get back to putting this country first in everything. If I remember my studying correctly, we pay his salary and provide him with the money to take care of our interests first. If his house were on fire and his family in danger, would there be any doubt to where his thinking would be at during that time? Wouldn’t it be common sense for him to “put his nose” to the American grindstone first. He should also remember that we are broke and this insane borrowing has only made our debt the highest in history. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai
        Vote November 2!

        • Michael J.

          sook young,
          It’s a waste of time, Jeff Hanks is just another Obambie Zombie blinded by the light of the messiah’s halo and destined to drown in the water that Obama walks on.

  • Angel Wannabe

    I missed a half an hour of Becks 8/28 rally. But when I did tune in, What I saw was absolutely astounding! FINALLY, people were coming together, unafraid to openly pray and work for REAL change for this Country. Peaceful individuals, coming together as a whole for common good. Who are tired of taking a back seat in this “politically correct” world, who are tired of the march toward Socialism and purposed failed policy. I can’t help but wonder, what Alveda King felt taking the podium, near where her Uncle marched and fought for Freedom & God!__ I watched about 15 minutes of the Socialists Rally and Quite frankly, in the words of Queen Elizabeth, “WE ARE NOT AMUSED”!___I have to agree with this article, which hit the nail on the head that 2/10 was nothing more than Nanny Nanny Foo Foo Politics, “my rally is bigger than yours”. But Sorry Socialists I saw the Becks rally on TV and your attendance wasn’t even close!__If you want communism, I’d suggest taking a long walk off a short pier, and setting your compass for Europe!
    POTUS the self proclaimed Great UNIFER. Is angry man, who demonizes the successful & rich, who hates Capitalism, while “Capitalism” and oppertunity, have made Obama himself, a wealthy man!?_ I fail to see the Ideology here!__The POTUS’s self idolization, arrogance and Socialist policy he’s trying to push, is 30 years too soon! There is STILL enough of us old farts still here, who remember the taste of freedom. I will thank our dear POTUS for one thing, for waking us the hell up, to pass freedom fighting along to our kids! So they too, have Tools and the determination to fight the oppressors of freedom.

    • spike

      Angel-
      I will again parrot the same things I have said over and over again:
      the “old farts” that they got, in addition to the “young idealists” and the black vote were the reason Ol purple lips is now in the White house. I knew as soon as I saw the old man in the VFW hat on the island in the middle of a busy street, with a sign saying “veterans for Obama”..they had people knocking on doors walking all over neighborhoods pressing them to vote. The old farts better get it…but I fear the old farts are sucking on the Government teat now, and they[‘re voting their pocket book because that’s their security.

      • Soldier

        which is funny because the old farts will die before their time when the death panals come out in full force. The obama care board members will be Judge Dredd for the elderly and anyone who is considered a menace to the State… Jude, Jury, and Executionar all rolled into one.

        • Lewis Munn

          Yup, one way to keep your hold on the nation. Already I am having problems making ends meet, and soon I will be frozen as electric heating costs will go up 400%!!

          This so the EPA, etc., can ship our good clean coal East, and ship us dirty coal back…share the pollution!

          The necessary scrubbers, and the transportation costs, will up our electric bills by 400% according the the utilities. And the trains are running, and the bills are going up!

          SS was not generous to me, and taxes and forced help for the illegals are already making it hard to survive. And I have a good earth-sheltered home, even!

          I am afraid my knowledge will stop with me, and my children and grandchildren will be deprived, tho I have taught the children self-reliance, and they are all on the conservative side…will be too bad for them later, I am sure, but they are all smart and educated and should be able to survive.

          Me, Obama’s forces will sacrifice, as I know too much.

        • Karolyn

          That is just such BS! Just another example of the rumor mongering and distortions to geneerate more hate and fear.

          • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

            Why do you trust the Marxists?

          • Karolyn

            It’s not a matter of trust; it’s a matter of faith. I have faith that no matter what, I am taken care of by the Universe. I have faith in the ultimate goodness of mankind. I have faith that the more people concentrate on the good in this world, the more good there will be. I trust some; and I do not believe in the “Marxist” slander.

        • http://none Jeff Hanks

          what death panels…the ones the health insurance companies have denying people care and making it too expensive for the average person to afford health care?

          • Karolyn

            You got it, Jeff. I remember when everybody was up in arms as the “death panels” were being talked about. Even though it was clearly explained to people, and the language is not hard to understand, they still want to believe what they want to believe – what the fear-mongering right-wing media wants them to believe. Rush Limbaugh is a pig!

          • http://naver sook young

            What about this healthcare plan being deemed unconstitutional and a gross violation of the Commerce Act? With the limited amount of care that it offers, it is worse than anything any insurance company has ever done to the people. I’m a nurse and have read it. It is greatly lacking in care given by surgeons, specialists, so on and so on. Why do you think that some people come to this country from Canada to have surgery performed on them? Can you answer my questions truthfully and not have any political nonsense go with it? Thank you?

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai
            Vote November 2!

          • Michael J.

            Jeff Hanks & Komrade Karolyn,
            No sillies, the death panels are where the shovel ready jobs will spring from.

            And as far as health care cost goes, did you really think that the insurance companies were going to eat the cost of insuring pre-existing illnesses, free check-ups, etc. My policy for my wife and I went up 20% this year to a whopping $1,867.00 per month as a result of your messiah’s meddling.

            By the way, do either of you have any 30 year old unemployed children? Wait till 2014 when you’ll have to cover the cost of their health care as well in order to keep them out of jail.

          • Karolyn

            Sook Young, Why do so many people go to Germany, Mexico and South America for surgery? As far as I’m concerned, as long as I take care of myself, I don’t need doctors; and if it ever comes to dying a slow death, I’ll end it. Too many people don’t take responsibility for their own health. That’s why the medical system is in such a mess. Big Pharma spends more money on advertising than research. Well, I don’t need their medicines! Everybody wants the magic pill, and the doctors give it to them, very often to their detriment. I have not read the healthcare bill, but I’m certainly not losing sleep over it!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Spike, Nah, I disagree, I don’t think the old farts are the ones who put him in office!__Women, Blacks and Colleges._The Basics >>_Why Women?–Obama’s a good looking man and a smooth, convincing talker (no matter how you slice it women are attracted to that!), they were in essence seduced.__ Blacks because he has basically the same skin color as they do, to them is another MLK!__ and Colleges, because these kids are the ones who grew up learning REVISIONIST HISTORY and being inexperienced in “everything”, are easily swayed.

        • Angel Wannabe

          spike in essence the Obama Administration also went after special interest__They were all easy prey!

        • American Citizen

          This is one woman who is not impressed with Obama’s looks or speaking style. He gives me the willies every time I even see a picture of him. I also know a lot of other women who did not vote for him. It’s the ignorant and racists (voted for him because of his skin color) who put him in office.

          • Angel Wannabe

            American Citizen, I sure as hell didn’t vote for him either!!

          • Warrior

            AM – I’m male and every time I see that guy, I get the willies too!

          • Christin

            “Willies” just doesn’t seem strong enough… to me he is all that is evil… I can’t stand to look at him… I see darkness.

        • Barbara

          Please. I’m a woman and I find O repulsive-looking. And before you start thinking it’s his color, I’m a 70yr old white woman who’s been happily married to an honorable decent and HANDSOME hunk of a black man for 27 years. O is a scrawny joke of a man. Makes me think of “Peter, Peter, Pumpkin Eater” cause his wife isn’t skinny.

          • Kate8

            I find Obama repulsive as well, but not because of any physical attributes. It is what I perceive from his being.

            This man is incongruent, non-authentic. He is supported by forces of evil. He hides his history, and displays an arrogance toward the American people that can only come from knowing that his power derives from those who care not about America. He does not fear us, nor do the other elite lackeys currently in power who conspire with him.

            I most certainly did NOT vote for him.

      • royallyangryconservative

        At the ‘tender’ age of 50. I could be considered a ‘old fart’. And yes, I get it. I got it when I was Twenty three and a former house speaker by the name of Jim Wright decided I should have social security checks (even though I was 23 and working). I said no. He said yes, laughing as he asked me if I was going to send the checks back?

        As a matter of fact, I got those checks from the social security administration. When the house speaker found out I had sent every single one of those checks back; he cussed me out.

        Because of medical issues, both I and my children qualify for benefits even now. I once again turned those benefits down.

        We don’t need hand outs. We need the Government’s hands ‘out’ of OUR LIVES!

        How’s THAT for a Old fart getting it right?

        • Angel Wannabe

          RAC___54 here!

          • Angel Wannabe

            and well said!!

        • Rob Alexander

          You ROCK, old timer… wish everyone was like you.

      • independant thinker

        “I knew as soon as I saw the old man in the VFW hat on the island in the middle of a busy street, with a sign saying “veterans for Obama”..”

        That old man was most likely from Walter
        Reed and was let out to hold the sign.

        I could be called an old fart and I would gladly give up my SS and medicare if the gubment would return all they have taken from me to pay for it with compound interest like I would have drawn had I invested that for myself. I would have, at aq very very conservative estimate, 10 times what I will ever draw from them.

      • rosina

        I happen to be one of those ‘old farts’ a very impolite way to talk of the people who have worked a lifetime. I prefer to call them ‘in advanced youth” as I feel myself to be.
        We are the ones singled out by this Obarmy to suffer-no increase in Social Security for the second year running. And, as you say, less medicare for which we paid-because he would like to see us all drop dead.
        I am not sitting still, have written faxes, emails-even to the Mad Man himself against Obama ruincare. Signed every petition. Given money-not too much as it is limited, to Conservative principled candidates. I will not put up with being singled out as too old to cure etc.
        Now, it is our savings they want-stealing the 401ks of everyone and your IRA which you and I probably slaved to save so that Social Security (fraud anyone?) can parcel it out to ALL fairly?????? I saved for ME not everyone else! I did without for my later years when there is no work or possibility of work. And NOW these demoncraps want to steal it! MUST WE PUT UP WITH THIS?
        THIS WILL CAUSE RIOTS IN THE STREET AND OPE THERE ARE MANY ‘OATHER’ WHO WILL DEFEND US INSTEAD OF SHOOTING US!

    • Wanda Murline

      God says that if we pray and change out wicked ways, he will save our country. I believe this and have been praying for months now, but the message sent by God at Beck’s event was better than any fly-by that the president refused to allow…a group of gese…a bunch of them…flew right down the middle of the water from one side at the south to the other at the north…it was beautiful, and I believe that it was a sign from God that he will bless us come November 2. I will keep the faith because God is more powerful than any politician with any amount of money, and we are his people…we will prevail.

      • wildwilly360

        What bible do you read? None of your post are accurate about the bible. God gave satan the world to rule because of mankinds sins. Satan rules the earth, untill he thinks he has control. Then the earth will be returned to the paradise that was orgionally created,before sin. Those with hearts that have tried to follow the teachings of Christ will be resrected in paradise. Prayer is but an affirmation of personal faith

        • Margaret

          Wanda is right, you are wrong. God did not give Satan the earth. He has given us the ability to choose our destiny. Faith is the answer, get on your knees and pray for this nation. God will restore it to us, but we will never give it up until Jesus returns.

          • independant thinker

            I would say Willie is half right. Satan does have power on the earth but can only do what God lets him. By being faithful and praying we can influence things for the good until time for Jesus return.

          • MidnightPoet

            “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double-minded.” (James 4:7,8)…That’s James chapter 4, verses 7 & 8.

      • annnort

        I agree with you, Wanda. No human could have orchestrated those geese, so it had to have been the will of God. I took it as a sign he approved of the gathering. My Bible speaks of many miracles and I believe we saw a few on 8/28. I pray we vote the right way on Nov 2 and get rid of those in our government who want to destroy this Nation under God. Then congress will have to work hard to keep Obama from dictating by using executive privilege. He has already said that is what he will do. HE MUST GO!!

  • Gail Marie Florida

    8/28 was a wonderful day, gathered together with like minded people the God Given fly over was a blessing. The People I met were wonderful. I arrived alone and in minutes of catching the Metro met a family and a few additional friends I spent the day with at the rally. God is good and America is waking up. We know what is going on and we will stand in the Light… God Speed America!!! Stand for Freedom in America as the Progressive Left would love to take it all away from us and give to who they feel NEEDS it…. I have worked 3 jobs morning nights and weekends to make my way… I do not think hand outs should be first line of action…. STAND FIRM !!

  • jimbo

    You can BET with all certainty that these entitlement seekers/demanders were all there as PAID protesters. This is the only way these tit suckers do anything is when there is a dollar attached. They are not the people they pretend to be. They are nothing more than parasites living off a host which is you and me and our success and hardwork.

    I say we offer them a free ocean cruise. Then ship them all over to the marxist nation of their choice…ONE WAY.

    • jim

      …now THAT’S what I’m talkin’ bout!

    • slickporsche

      I have a gut feelin,that ship ain’t gonna make it to another country.

  • TIME

    Robert, I also popped in to see this event, as I had been at the 8 /28 Beck Rally, of what there was no trash anywhere after the event, it was cleaner then before it started! Thats rather unique.

    The 10/2 events trash was everywhere, that to me is utterly disgusting I am a clean freak as well a real nature nut, as I have been told by all of my friends who call me MONK, I had no bloody clue why they were doing so until I saw the Telie show MONK, I still don’t think I am that bad, but hey they see the real me. LOL…

    As you noted the crowd size was really small, I would agree with you that even at its peek there were no more than 50K there.
    I don’t know if you talked with any of the people there Robert but they have a bent mind set with no clear reasons as to why they feel the way they do. This puzzels me, to show up to any event I understand many times is for a vast amount of reasons, but a bloody free lunch being the main reason?
    I wouldn’t walk a block for a FREE lunch, my first question would be what strings are attached.

    As you also noted this group seems to feel that everyone owes them, again this mind set I can’t get my head around.
    YOU don’t owe me anything unless we do a business deal – and you have failed to pay me or live up to your end of the deal.
    Otherwise YOU nor anyone else owes me nothing.

    I guess its all in how your brought up, if you have self respect, and learn common sense factors then you will be able to make it on your own.
    But of your brought up thinking that you are special and need not do anything but ask the cookie jar dude for more cookies, Then these people will never be able to make it on their own.

    Now whats strange is “really wealthy kids” also act this way!

    So you have both ends of the scale that act as if they somehow are so special that everyone owes them something. How strange is that?

    I was brought up in a home where we had Love, but NO MONEY, we were Dirt Poor, but the bond I have and had with my two brothers and sister is like “Super Glue.” let alone with the people who raised me, I was not even their kid, and they gave me nothing but LOVE.
    We were never ones to sit around and ask for hand outs we worked from the age of 10 on even if it was just doing yard work or even snow removale, man I still hate snow.

    Anyway, thanks for the blog.

    • marcel duranleau

      Bless your heart. Love your story, I was born in Canada from very poor family but my mother taught early in life about fear of God.Now I
      thank God to be living in USA legal and enjoy living here. I got tears to see what that muslim kenyan marxist professor Obama do to Our Country. Those people need to go live in Cuba or Zimbamwe.Thank God for Our Great Republic.America be strong and be courageous.Don’t be afraid of theirs faces.Stand up for Our Constitution.Vote them out.

      • slickporsche

        Sorry to burst your bubble Marcel, but voting will not be enough.Do you love this republic enough to stand by my side, gun in hand and fight??? Because as our founding fathers knew this is what freedom costs. Are you willing to gamble the price?

        • Soldier

          LOL. Ok, just sit down warrior. One chemical warheard artillery shell will make you want to shoot yourself before you chemically convulse horribly and bleed out from every orifice. Do you have any idea what kind of @#$@#$ our military has?

          If our government ever clamps down with full hard core warfare on the citizens and all pretenses are thrown right out the window, the soldiers loyal to mother government will utilize 50 calibur machine guns, tanks, chemical weapons, and all manner of other horrible weapons. Sorry, but a few red necks in the woods with AR-15s aren’t doing anything. No we must use peaceful means.

          • David

            Really? And what % do you think would be loyal to their friends, family and country? Remember, liberals are not good fighters. I know many military folk active and retired that would not hesitate to protect this country from the elite minority.

            Also to quote Reagan, “Liberals are not ignorant (well except the dumb sheep that showed for the march) they just know so much that is untrue.”

          • BB

            You are 100% correct friend. This conflict within our society must be settled at the “ballot box”. Those who think that there is security in their “Ammo box” are not as engaged as they need to be within their own communities, as that is where this battle of ideals must be fought.

          • TIME

            Soldier, Is 100% right, so please do keep that in mind.

        • truesoy

          Are you on crack, or did you forget to take your medicine today?.

    • Ruby

      So do you now live in an area where it doesn’t snow?

      I hear you about growing up dirt poor. I did too, and I don’t recall ever thinking, “geeeeee, we’re really poor!” We only knew that Mom and Dad loved us; there was always something to eat and clothes on our backs; we had family worship every so often; and we attended church services more than once a week. I don’t ever remember hearing my parents talk about being “po-folk”, just that they didn’t have the money for whatever it was we wanted. IF we received a Christmas gift, it was only one.

      But, you see, these are what I remember, and NOW I know we were poor. But the sad sentiment generally attached with being poor was never there for us. We were actually happy.

      I’m not wealthy, by any stretch of the imagine, but I’m HAPPY and satisfied with what I have. I have food, shelter and clothing – that’s what’s important…the rest is “gravy”.

      • TIME

        Ruby,
        My best Christmas gift ever was when I was 12 I got my Black belt from my Father.
        We just moved down south from Long Island New York, We live in North Georgia, I have been told it snows here sometimes, what that means is anyone guess.
        The facts are that its mors cost effective here in all ways.

      • Kate8

        Ruby – Poor in America has come to mean that one doesn’t have the lifestyle he thinks he’s entitled to have.

        When I was a child we had a home, garden, chickens and fruit trees. We had no TV, but there were great shows on radio. In the evenings we all gathered and visited with neighbors, played guitar and sang songs. We INTERACTED. Those were the best times of my life. Like you said, we didn’t know we were poor. We had each other.

        Now every evening is about what’s on TV for most folks. The ‘poor’ live in 3 BR homes, the rich live in villas. ‘Poor’ is having only one car in a family.

        It seems that we may soon find out what true poverty is about, if these socialist running things succeed. And the thing is, those ‘poor’ who think Obama is going to give them the high-life for free (because they are ENTITLED) are in for a big shock.

    • spike

      You know, Time, I can’t get a handle on you. You talk about all the Left wing people you hang with..over chess, dinner, your wife’s family..etc…but let me ask you this: WHY DON’T YOU GET IT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WANT A FREE LUNCH will destroy a country or walk a mile to get it? The people who want the government to provide for them at someone else’s expense…That’s huge for them…and well in character.
      these are persons who think someone else owes them.

      • TIME

        Spike,
        I have lived many a life times in life, most people would not be able to keep up with me, very few can. I am not your average Joe in anyway shape or form.
        If I want something I find a way to get it, I make things work no matter what it takes. Thats no differant than anyone who has a business. In Business there are no divides, and as long as what I do does not break the law, nor hurt anyone there is no harm done.

        I have worked very hard to raise a family, of what I have now been married three times. I built a business out of nothing but an idea I had when I was twenty years old.
        I have made a ton of money then lost a ton of money, then made it all back.
        I was drunk for a few years feeling sorry for myself that I lost everything, then rebuilt my life, after that moment of pain.

        There is no way to get a handle on me, I can’t nor anyone who knows me, so good luck to you to try.

        My Wife who I have been with for the last fifteen years still has no idea what makes me tick. Yes, I still do business with people who are at best rotten to the very core, but at least I understand what they are and I make no excuses for them.
        I am not GOD, they don’t answer to me, but I answer to GOD so I do my best to do my best.

        I am sure you know someone or have worked for someone who was a total scum bag, I bet you even rubbed shoulders with them at times.
        Well thats what my job requires of me. So now as I get ready to hit 61 in a few weeks, I still love what I do, and I do what I love.

        So as my First wife said when we left the court house, Your a SOB, but I still Love You. Explain that.

        I am beyond the norm, and again I do what it takes. There is not a single person who is alive who can say that they don’t do so.
        I am as I have said many times a TRUE LIBERAL, of what Mr Beck tells me I am a Liberitarian, so I guess thats what I am.

        As long as I am true to myself, and provide for my family and do as much Good as I can as well always keep in mind that GOD is far above me I have no problems doing what it takes to do the do.
        If thats hard for anyone to grasp, forgive me, but hey no one I know can figure me out.

        • steve

          Now, that there – that THERE is a story!! Sorry guys, there’s no glory in growing up dirt poor. Alot of us did it. Alot of us didn’t know it. Whenever I asked how much our car or house cost, my Dad would say none of your business. lol

          TIME is incomprehensible to many perhaps, because his is a true and typical American success story. Many of us did well, lost and recuperated – or not.

          What concerns me most about venues such as this is the coming together of so many people who are opposed to statism, and yet have no unification. Many of us seem to oppose big brother, but we can’t seem to agree on the solutions. As long as we continue without a leader willling to stand on principle – well defined principle – we seem doomed to succumb to the envious desires of those “have-nots” who rally to the cause of free bread and circuses.

          Ron Paul, for my two cents, is the only candidate for POTUS that would personify that leadership ability, and (see The Money Masters on you tube) yet I fear the banking cartel would have him assassinated within a very short time of his taking office. Let’s follow, or try to follow the example of our parents and grandparents and start respecting our fellow Americans and granting them tolerance.Let’s get together and agree to disagree, but to stand united against the collectivist mindset. Let’s get it on!!!

          • TIME

            Steve,
            I agree with you 100% I voted for Dr. Ron Paul, he was the one and only choice as far as I could see.
            By the way he is a really great guy too! I have not met his son, but I can’t fathom that the apple falls far from the tree.

            As for life, its roads are full of crazy twist and turns that many are just not willing to venture. I fear nothing so that makes me crazy enought to try.
            I have done my best to be the best I can be.
            I have only one regret, that I have not done more, but TIME places limits on us.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Time great story!___my Mama was sick and Daddy worked the mill,I was prety much on my own!__I always said_I had the kind of life, Country music song writers just love!

          • TIME

            Angle,
            There is really good money in writing songs, so if you have some work on them.
            You may make more than you can fathom, not in outright pay but its an over time thing, you may get sum up front, then if it hits you will have money coming in for life.

            And you know what I would not trade my youth for anything, I learned leasons that to this day serve me well, also I was a total nerd as a child. I guess thats why I still look so young at near 61, LOL.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Time, I’m hearing that, JeffH, and I talked about growinng up poor a couple times on here,_ I always said, I never knew we we’re poor until some kid in grade school told me, I didn’t look Like everyone else or that my Mothers crippled hands look like a monster hands!___I have to throughly agree, we had it tough, but I’d never, ever trade what I’ve learned from growing up fast!__I made plenty of mistakes, but I’m still here to talk about it!

        • JeffH

          TIME, even though spike can’t seem to understand you, you’ve shared more about yourself and your upbringing than most of us that have been here for awhile. I have the utmost respect for you and your beliefs and your unselfish patriotism.
          I grew up poor and learned at an early age that if there was something I needed I had to work to achieve that goal. My Dad was a carpenter whose work was seasonal and my mom was a stay at home mother, making sure her 4 boys were raised properly, house was clean, laundry done and dinner served. We ate a lot of “hamburger” meals and the Levi’s I wore were “seconds” with the red tag cutoff, but I never thought of us as poor until I began to understand life a bit better. To this day I thank God I was raised the way I was…I’m a better man because of it, not despite it.

          God bless America and keep up the good fight fellow patriots.

          • TIME

            Jeff,
            Many thanks I too respect many who post here’s yourself included as well there are many points of view some I don’t agree with at all, but I am happy that they do post as it really aids others to clearly see what we as a nation face.
            I figure most folks are really unclear about whom they are speaking with so its best to let others know you have been there; and done that.

            The fact that 70% of all High School grads are ignorant of history let alone basic science, zero clue about social interaction is a very telling fact of the state of our nation.
            Thats why the Progressive love the youth, they will eat crap on a stick and think its great. How sad is that?

            Its been noted that history repeats its self, well welcome to the main event folks. You are living in very Historic times and I don’t say that lightly.

      • HFlashman

        WHY DON’T YOU GET IT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WANT A FREE LUNCH will destroy a country or walk a mile to get it? <— Spike

        Spike…good description of the corporate mindset how they are to be treated as well as the wealthy…they want not only everything to be free to them, they want more subsidies as well as increasingly lining their own ockets with more at the expense of the working Americans.

        • http://naver sook young

          You sound almost like Kim Jung Il. Are you a student of his? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai
          Vote November 2!

    • Steve 514

      I agree, in 2001 I left a job that I felt I could not depend on anymore to provide for my family to start a business of my own. I had and still have the mind set that if I can not depend on myself I can not depend on anyone. It has been a stuggle to make it in these trying times but, I still feel that nobody owes me anything that I have not worked for or provided a service for. Nothing is free and I mean nothing.There is a price for everything weather it be your labors or your freedoms or even your sole. I prefer to sell my skills and my labor that allows me to keep my freedom,dignity and my sole which I reserve for my god not to a mortal.

      • TIME

        Steve, Good for you, keep the faith dude, things will work out.

    • marvin

      TIME
      the word you are looking for is liberalism, it is a brain disorder that start at birth mostly from the welfare recivers,and the idea that why work for something when you can get it free, the you owe me mentailty ,a liberal don,t know the differance in a helping hand and a hand out the constitution saz we are endowed by are creator with certain rights persuit of life[not abortion] liberty[not goverment run] and the persuit of happyness[not a placebo of the free free take take give give

    • Richard Pawley

      TIME is what we don’t have a lot of. The 111th Congress, and some of those before it, have spent us into oblivion, yet because we can borrow money, and when others stop lending it to us, AS THEY HAVE, we can just print it, AS WE ARE, we are still afloat, and buying our own debt. Consequently, our debt continues to grow and the value of our money continues to drop, losing an eighth of it’s value since June. At this rate the dollar will be virtually worthless not long after the Tea Party takes office so the Progressive Fabians can have someone new to blame besides President Bush. If this October goes down in financial history, it will not be because gold reached 1375 an ounce but because the United States printed so much money and used it to buy our own debt that we exceeded Japan and leave only China owing more of our debt than anyone else in the world. Very few want to risk lending the USA money for any but a few years. Consequently we have TRILLONS of dollars of debt coming due in this decade. Even if we can elect a congress that cares enough to stop the hemorrhaging of the dollar, we simply cannot pay what we already owe. As I said in my autobiography four years ago and in my most recent politically incorrect book, “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES, and the Great Famine that Followed” we owe more than anyone has ever owed in the history of the world. It can never be repaid. We will either default on our debt which I believe unlikely or keep printing money until there is inflation more than any native born American has ever seen. Will gold go higher? Of course, but I do not think it will go as high as food and imported goods (including fuel). No one can be absolutely sure of the time table on this but it takes no prophet to predict what is coming. Believers can pray about this and non-believers can begin preparing. Those who do nothing will likely live to regret their inaction. Something is better than nothing.

    • Wanda Murline

      Ditto here, my dad was hurt when I was 7 and my brother and I raised a 7 acre garden behind a horse, washed clothes outside on a wash board until we got a washer with a wash and wring/rinse…still outside, outhouse, gather water and heated it on stove for baths, did all the cooking, and still were expected to make no less than a B in school. Mom went to work and we raised what we ate except for flour (the sack was used to sew clothing), coffee, sugar, and sometimes some fruit that we didn’t raise, like an apple. When it rained, you got out the pots and pans cause the roof leaked and we used an outhouse. Raised pigs and chickens for meat and eggs, and had a cow for milk and butter. I was taught a lesson by my father, who was almost killed at his company…rather than file suit or get on disability, he picked up a pencil with an 8th grade education and worked his butt off…he became a superintendent for an insurance company…only in America can you do this if you put enought work into it. I was brought up to work and if I worked hard enough and saved, I could accomplish anything. I married a man 41 years ago who had lost his dad at 13, and we both wanted more…working two or three jobs each…we now have a 230 acre ranch, a nice brick home and all is paid for. These people with their hands out are missing out on obtaining a future for themselves and their children, free of waiting on the government…they are still slaves to the massah.

      • sylviam

        I was born in 1940, juat before we went to war. I did NOT know my dad but had a picture of him in his uniform. My mom did not rely on a soul to raise me, she worked in several jobs, all were to help the MILITARY,sho was “rosy the riviter” and made the silk cloth that went into parachutes, then she worked in the ship yards when the ships were brought in for “dry dock”. EVERYONE had “ration stamps”.
        We were poor also, but it never crossed anyones mind to make the GOV. keep us up. Not then nor NOW. I have lived thru the out-houses, seeing my mom wash clothes on a wash board, had to carry water from hand dug springs, raising pigs chickens, and gardens for food. We had a roof over our heads, clothes to wear, “1″ pair of shoes and “1″ pair of good shoes for church. I never heard the word “poor” come out of anyones mouth. If a neighbor needed something we “all” gave what we could to help them. I was raised at a time when no body knew if their loved one would make it home or not. But the one thing that stands out was “WE GAVE THANKS TO GOD” for being blessed for all our food and our lives, “freedom” included. We had a lot of LOVE, and for that I am blessed. I try to be as good as I can be thanks to my parents and neighbors for the GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BE ALIVE. NO HAND OUTS—-but A HAND-UP is what they should be saying.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • DANNY

    We are at a crossroads in history. Either we stop socialism now or there may be a point of no return for a long long time. This country has been awakened and not it is up to us to stand up to stand up to this threat. November is where it has to turn around. VOTE VOTE VOTE!

    • slickporsche

      THat is what they want all the cowards to do vote vote vote, While the bunch of them stand with hands over mouths chuckling. Yep you have had so much SUNSHINE blown up your butt you cannot even think straight.

      • marvin

        slickporsche
        from your post i take it that you think voting has no effect and the status quo is ok and we dumd ass tea party and conserative , just as well stay home and let obama /reid /pelosie.frank /dodd and the rest of that far left liberals bunch,do what they do best lie cheat and steal, well it an,t happening amigo i speak english,and if push comes to shove remember the 2nd amendment and patrick henry

        • Lewis Munn

          Marvin, does Slick even know any history? A lot of my friends do not.

          Even when I came through public schools “History” was sanforized and sanatized, and chopped off short!

          I learned far more about WWII in a Singaporian historical exhibit just a few years back than in all my government schooling. Which exhibit I understand has been knocked into the sea now to make more land for a Casino!

          I think we are already seeing the truth of the old saw that those who do not learn from History are condemned to repeat it. Looks to me like we are now repeating what Germany did before Hitler came along and started WWII, Everybody ended up with money to burn, as other fuel was too expensive!!

    • THIRD PARTY

      DANNY,socialism started with the federal reserve in 1913,AND ALONG WITH THE 16 AMENDMENT.REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

    • http://poehw@comcast.net Flip one over

      I never worried about my country until now. I had always felt that the “Givers” would always out number the “Takers”, How wrong could I have been? Now I am very worried because the “Takers” can vote as well as the “Givers” and when they take over, it is all over for all of us “givers” and “Takers” alike. There is one ray of light, What is it? It is Obama himself. He is a God sent, He has done what no one person has ever been able to do, What is it? Wake up all the “Givers” and shake them to their cores, He showed all of us that our country of “By the people, For the people, Of the people” was all but dead. If anyone ever doubted we were headed to the scrap heap of history, He and all his puppets and Zars have now made it so very clear. We now can start putting our country back togeather, Starting with the up comming election and Perhaps with all of us voting the Lawyers and their corruption and the “Takers” mentors out of office we can turn this around. This is only the start we will have to be on our toes and keep the fires burning under the people who really work for us.

      • David

        That’s right people. Sit you children around the campfire and tell them the truth, educate them about our history and how we got here…..that is if you can pull them away from the xbox.

      • marvin

        to Flip one over
        bravo well said i agree,obama hates white people and wants to pit one race against the other,but all black people are not stuped only them with their hand out like some white people ,you don,t think obama,s book dreams of my father seeing as he never knew his real dad ,was a nightmare that obama had

  • http://www.rebelforiam.com michael sharpe

    I continue to thank God for Pres. Obama. I am convinced that He has the Spirit of Elijah. The Spirit requires people to choose who their Father is and to take a stand. This President has allowed people to show who they are and their true beliefs. Boy have they come out of the closet,and it isn’t limited to just Dems. This has been a Socialist Country since we have allowed the Federal Reserve to control Politics,Religion,the Economy,and Education. This evil group start wars and finance them. We must stop looking at 1600 Pen. Ave to have the Answer-They don’t. We must take a stand for what is Right,and continue to wake up. Faith T Works.

    • bruce d.

      Michael Sharpe for me President Obama represents and sybolizes the total distrution of this country. I am not sure exactly what he has done for you. If your true belief is Marxism or socialism I would say that he has helped you to openingly show your true beliefs.

      • Mike Austin,TX

        Barry is after the total destruction of the Country and I am glad he finally showed up. 8/28 was a good example or perhaps divine timing showing how to bring people together.
        If Barry was elected any later or earlier, Americans would not be so galvanized and awakened. He is the sole reason we have even a chance to turn things around. In a weird way, he is the best thing to come along for this Country in a long time.

        • bruce d.

          I understand what you are saying Mike. Obama has not showed any middle ground to confuse the issue. With Obama it is just one straight ticket t

          • marvin

            bruce d.
            like obama said i won so set down,he has no soul and was put in office for all the wrong reasons at the right time in history to wake up the sleeping giant WE THE PEOPLE it is hard to hide the truth if ye seek it ye shell find look and your eyes will open hear and you will know the truth from the lies,their was no other reason to elect a empty suit like obama but for we the people to see where we have went wrong it not being awake

    • marcel duranleau

      You are wrong. First muslim kenyan marxist professor Obama is a impostor of USA. I do not understand why christians did vote for him?USA got deceived by that great deceiver. For me this marxist Obama is Hitler in the bunker. Never trust a marxist professor.Get ready for our survival. http://www.obamacrimes.com/ Joint oathkeepers.org

      • Angel Wannabe

        Marcel, the puppeteers pull the strings, and the politicians react. Thats why nothing ever changes, both parties, have become one and the same, the repubs are just a little more saavy about it. Our best defense is prayer. If the politicians in Washington, dare fight back or form an opinion of their own, they are shot down and if they persist, they are destroyed, personally, politically. We are fighting much more than just Socialistic Ideology, we are fighting an evil cynicism as well. God gave Moses the power to part the Red Sea, when it seems it seemed hopeless against Pharoah. I’m certain God provide a way through this evil oppression, that literally had it’s beginngs in Egypt! Prayer and unification is the only way!

        • THIRD PARTY

          PRAYING,if that’s the answer,we are screwed.

          • JC

            TP,
            I am not a religious man. However if people want to gather and pray that is fine by me. Whatever it takes to help people live with a moral code and a sense of brotherhood should not be the object of scorn in the nation where “in God We Trust”.
            So why don’t you do yourself a service as well as the rest of us and stop knocking a major sense of unity that come with conservative values…
            Your certyainly not helping swing people over to any Third Party with that approach anyway.
            Think about it.

          • marvin

            THIRD PARTY
            well hell i just give up,YOU may think that prayers don,t work but will you sign a letter that on your death bed you won,t pray to god to forgive you, but i forgot you are a desendant of a monkey you have no god or soul,and from your post you still think like a monkey,or maybe you went to harvard with the rest of the blood suckers like odumbo

          • http://poehw@comcast.net Flip one over

            TP, It is so clear that you are not of this country. You need to read the Bible before you jump to conclusions. You are just what any decent, law abiding, Hard working, population fights against. Weather they believe or not is up to them, but most will watch the movie first and then give their opinion, To bad for you. At this point I suppose I should say,”I will pray for you” but that is between my God and me,

          • http://naver sook young

            What do you mean by that? That is definately what the country needs now. Sometimes I think that God and Jesus are the only ones holding this country together and not letting it splinter into pieces, like many people in Washington may want to do. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

    • spike

      Michael–
      THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH?????!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What are you smoking? This man is so far removed from Christianity that there is no speaking the word Christ in the same breath as his name….What bible do you read? Are you a Jehovah witness? HE HAS THE SPIRIT OF THE ANTI CHRIST, HE’S ON THE DEVIL’S PAYROLL, OKAY?

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      I thank God for Obama too – HE HAS AWAKENED PATRIOTISM in America. He has paved the way for us to throw a lot of traitors out of office and put many more on notice! This may have a cleansing effect on our system for a number of years. Obama, along with most Progressives, just haven’t figured out the great service they are doing for the conservative majority. My deepest fear was that he would achieve his Marxist agenda through subtle changes. Thank GOD he was vain enough to sucker-punch America and straighten our backbones!

      Now, can someone please tell me why a state like Connecticut would vote for a blatant liar who has no clue how a job is created? Their economy must be in great shape, or they live in a socialist fog.

  • Barb

    Thank you Mr. Ringer for the report and all I can say is I agree with everyone here. God Bless America, God Bless Freedom and Pray that we will prevail in November and beyond! Vote “Dem.” bums out!

    • Barb

      Correction!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree with everyone EXCEPT Michael Sharpe who is anything but sharp! Osama Obama is the Problem MORON!!!! Our Father is God and we have taken a stand, Obama has the spirit of Allah and Satan period!

      • Vigilant

        Barb,

        You may want to read Mr. Sharpe’s post again. He’s not pro-Obama.

        • Barb

          I stand corrected. Sorry Mr. Sharpe I was stuck on your first comment I think! But thanking God for Obama still goes totally against all I believe in and then some! No matter what round about way you think he’s done some good, he’s done a whole lot more damage I think!

          • David

            It’s God’s ironic twist of fate. Maybe he sent the “one” so that we would wake up before it is too late.

          • JC

            The Kenyan has actually done America a great service by “waking it up”. Think about all the records set with the astronomical purchase of guns and ammunition since the Imposter came into power.
            He’s gotten every sensible American good and damned angry…and we needed that.
            Now let’s vote him out and ship him back…

          • marvin

            Barb
            obama has and will do more damage but the other side is he has woke up the people to see where we are headed if we don,t stop and turn around we are doomed as a free nation ,to be ruled by the soros of this world

  • Warrior

    Evidently “The Man” is still holding many of the masses “Down”! Who’s “The Man”? Will the identity of “The Man” ever truly be known?

    • bruce d.

      The “Man” could be Al Sharpton or maybe Jessee Jackson. No two people have done more to keep people in the role of victims.

      • Ruby

        Boy, do I agree with you. And somehow, they’re what is considered “wealthy”. I have African American friends that have great disdain for these two.

  • Jim

    The democrat party has become an openly anti capitalism bunch of socialist marxist communists and any one who is a registered democrat is a closet communist REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER VOTE OUT THE SOCIALIST MARXIST DEMOCRAT PARTY

    • marcel duranleau

      Remember Stalin said in 1928 LIBERAL DEMOCRAT=FASCISM+SOCIALISM.
      First fascist dictator was USA democrat president Woodrow Wilson
      1913-1921.Karl Marx said democracy leads to socialism.Never trust a marxist professor. http://www.obamacrimes.com/ Joint oathkeepers.org

  • Joyce from Loris

    My desire is that once the GOP takes control of the House and Senate in the Nov 2 election, that they will immediately begin impeachment procedures for Obama, begin to deport the illegal aliens in this country, disassemble the welfare system and shatter the dreams of the muslums that are in position to ruin this country forever. My family is poised, stocked and ready for any outburst that may come or result from the election either way, but we must fight for our freedoms as we, the current population, have never fought before. I pray the battle will end at the election polls.

    • slickporsche

      I am sorry Joyce, but it will only end with bullets! Unless they die,there will always be more of the same trouble. Don’t worry, they will die on the run for cover, and not fight. They will try to get the U.N. to do it for them.

      • Joyce from Loris

        You may be right, but I can still hope and pray.

    • THIRD PARTY

      JOYCE,YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT?THE CONGRESS MAYBE THE SENATE NEVER.IMPEACHMENT COME ON,MORE TAX MONEY WASTED,AND NEVER SOLVE ANYTHING,JUST LIKE WITH CLINTON,HIS IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS WHERE LAUGHABLE,AND ONLY PROVED WHAT EVERYONE KNEW.OBAMA IS A FRAUD,NO DOUBT,BUT THE PUPPET MASTERS ALREADY KNEW THIS.THE TWO PARTY PARADIGM IS THE CULPRIT.

      • Joyce from Loris

        No, Third Party, I am not kidding. I do want impeachment. Our Representatives and Senators are being bombarded with emails, phone calls, letters and faxes, demanding that if we support the Republicans to take back the power, that we expect them to impeach Obama. If they don’t, we will vote them out next. I understand the situation, but for the sake of my children and grandchildren, I can only pray that we can fix this mess with votes, and not have to resort to battle. I don’t want my kids to have to live through a horror of this nature.

        • THIRD PARTY

          THE REPUBS ARE A JOKE,THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING TO BE IN SOME KIND OF POWER,JUST LIKE THE LEFT.CONSTITUTIONALLY SPEAKING THE LAST SEVEN PRESIDENTS COULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED.JUST HAVING THE U.N. IN NEW YORK IS GIVING UP OUR SOVEREIGNTY.

          • Joyce from Loris

            I agree! But the Republicans don’t have the power right now. The Democrats do. The power that the Democrats have is tearing the fabrics of our nation apart, and the only alternative RIGHT NOW, is to take that power from them, and the only means is with Republicans. And Republicans want the power so badly, just maybe, right now, they will start to meet the demands of WE THE PEOPLE. The Americans have to start standing up for what is RIGHT for our nation, for OUR people. The gates need to close for a while, and we have to work from within to restore OUR NATION. If not, all will be lost.

          • bruce d.

            Nice blog Joyce.

    • Robert S

      Joyce The Republicans will not impeach Obama. They all have skeletons in their closets that they don’t want to come out.

      • patrick

        It wouldn’t do any good anyway. They impeached Clinton and he wouldn’t go.

        • marvin

          patrick
          here is three more rangels /waters /hastings,,hastings was a federal judge[life time appointment] was impeached and then his people voted to send him to congress,rangel 13 counts of improper conduct[but no trial tell after the nov elet]and his people will re elect him, same for waters handouts work wonders for the elected

          • patrick

            I’m sooooo tired of responders going off subject. You can’t deal with what I said straight on. Handouts, handouts, handouts….. Yall have learned some buzz words and they’ve become acceptable by the movement but don’t quit deal with the real facts.

            Some of the things that are being called handouts and entitlements aren’t. You act as if Obama created UI benefits, Soc Sec (which definately isn’t a hand out, food stamps, welfare. No one wants anyone to abuse the system but there are legitimate needs for these programs. They should have been cleaned up years ago with the generations that were abusing them. I’m more sympathic now I must admit from their situation. When you’re down, that’s where they want to keep you. Name call you and critize you. Sad, I though all men were created equal. You think however that money makes the man.

        • Barbara

          The House of Representatives issued Articles of Impeachment(indictment). The Senate heard the trial and voted not guilty. Clinton did not have any choice to go or stay. Please educate yourselves. This is the reason that Impeachment will not work against the O.

    • http://naver samurai

      I agree with you Joyce. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Joyce from Loris

        Thanks samurai! I will keep up the good fight, and work to make things right by doing the right thing. If that doesn’t work, we all have to be prepared to do the only thing that is left to do.

        • http://naver samurai

          I stand next to you and the other patriots on this site. Take no prisoners and keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • THIRD PARTY

    WARRIOR,the man is the CFR,TRILATERAL COMMISSION,THE UN,THE ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION,AND THE WORLD BANK,ALONG WITH THE FEDERAL RESERVE.These corrupt entities should all be audited,also the U.N. needs to go away,AMERICA IS LOSING IT’S SOVEREIGNTY JUST showing up at those anti capitalism bashing meetings.PRESIDENTS are just puppets for the new world order for decades.BOTH party’s are mindless shills working for their own interest with ill contempt.Term limits need to be enacted for all congressman,and senators,judges.ALL need to be accountable for their treasonous acts towards the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    • Warrior

      3P – could you explain this to 10/2 group? Would they understand? Possibly, they keep themselves “Down” and don’t even realize it.

      • THIRD PARTY

        THEY big time keep themselves down,through ignorance and lack of research.THEIR BATTLE CRY IS RIGHT OUT OF ( THE ART OF WAR).IT’S ALWAYS EASY TO POINT A FINGER,AND CAUSE BLAME ON SUCCESS,FROM WHERE I COME FROM,THOSE PEOPLE ARE CALLED LOSERS.ON A FAIR PLAYING FIELD THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WOULD EXCEED HIS OR HER OWN EXPECTATIONS WITHOUT DOUBT.BUT THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM HAS CORRUPTED A FAIR PLAYING FIELD.THE 10/02 GROUP WAS NOT EVEN A BLIP ON MY SCREEN,ANYTHING BASHING HONEST CAPITALISM IS PURELY ANTI AMERICAN,AGAIN HONEST CAPITALISM,NOT KRONE CAPITALISM,THAT’S WERE THE TWO PARTY COMES INTO PLAY.

    • JeffH

      THIRD PARTY, good call but one name stands above all the rest. Can you say “House of Rothschilds”?

  • slickporsche

    I think I m gonna puke!!! My fellow Americans are for the most part a bunch yellow belly sissy’s Yes, you are REAL PATRIOTS.You are gonna vote them suckers out come November and that is that. THEY have more tricks up their sleeves to beat your asses down,and there isn’t enough time left to count em all.

    • JeffH

      slickporsche, why don’t you cut through the crap and fire the first shot. That seems to be your only solution, so put up or shut up, or are you the typical loudmouth who can’t do anything on his own but talk.
      Or maybe, just maybe, you’re an Obama plant whose paid to push for a violent start by the masses.

    • http://poehw@comcast.net Flip one over

      Hey slick, I have to let you in on a little secret, the only people who think like you are those that pretend the repubs get all there money from foreign sources just like they do. The folks that I know are true Americans, They will put up and put up and put up,
      And then all hell is going to break loose and I think you are going to be long gone.

  • http://privatehomeinspection.com Martin

    In response to Jim’s remark for voting out the ‘Socialist Marxist
    Democratic Party’ this November: Sadly, this will only extend the
    current state of affairs. In order to return the USA to something
    resembling what the Founding Fathers intended, we must start from scratch. Ironically, it is the aforementioned Party that will hasten
    our return to an America based on ‘Rugged Individualism’ (a term not
    often seen in textbooks these days).

  • Ray

    We must put an end to the unions and the socialists. The unions were good years ago for what they did for the unfair work practices, but now the tide has changed. The unions are now a destructive force that has teamed up with the liberals and other scum determined to bring this country down. What most liberals don’t see (or don’t mind?) is that the politicians and unions working together just want to garner more power over the people. They use class warfare and other leftist methods to accomplish this. It is time to put a cease and desist into this country against liberals, unions and lifetime power hungry politicians.

  • patrick

    There’s class warfare alright, but rich against the poor. This story is slanted to the extreme. There are real hurting people out there due to the financial crisis that politics created that need a hand up and for the rich to create some industry again instead of just wanting tax cuts to pad your pockets more. All people who need help for a period of time. UI benefits needed during this time, but you protest. Food stamps just to feed our family, you protest. Halting illegal foreclosures, you protest. It’s greed. This country used to care about all Americans. When we get back to that, then we’ll be a great nation again. Stop the political games. Both sides are playing it.

    • David

      Pat, not everyone is smart enough to innovate aka build a company from the ground up and hire lots of people, thereby feeding the middle class.

      Wellfare has made the problem worse because the stupid remain stupid and breed stupid. It’s a wonderful miracle for one to break through those chains to become properous. JJ & Sharpton are the problem not the solution.

      Stop the foreclosures? Why to prolong and make it worse? Even DC is figuring out that this is a stupid economic idea.

      • patrick

        Well you’ve made my point. You think all poor are stupid? You and the party are out of touch.

        Many mortgages are behind because of unemployment. The gov. program for mortgage modifications got many in a mess. They qualified, which there were some strick qualifications, and were led to believe they were approved and started paying a lessor amount and the mortgage co did not process their paperwork and they were paying the lessor price and after they were 3 months behind, they started foreclosing. And many other senerios. I’m my case. I qualified for a different kind of modification, and it’s been on someones desk for 14 months. It allowed me some protection from further economic hardship. They’re just sitting there waiting to foreclose if I miss a beat. And on top of that with all the payments I paid last year, they applied none of it to interest so I had to pay extra taxes. And I believe I was accumulating interest also on money just sitting there. I don’t have a leg to stand on. And yet the rich are saying we don’t pay any taxes? Inevitable, not if I can get a good job which I’m very much qualified for.

        Class wars, thanks for proving it. You don’t care of anyone outside your circle. I used to be middle class too.

        • David

          What is considered low unemployment? 5-6%? When times are great there is a large portion of our population that will not work because they prefer to sit on welfare. Yes right now the “poor” is growing and I do agree with helping those out who do try.

          This country is coming to a point were the entitled will outnumber the working class….who pay their taxes so the poor can remain poor. They are taught that there is no way out unless you become a super star NFL player, etc.

          Our country is now even having to outsource engineering type jobs because technology today requires it. So we may have jobs available that we can’t even fill.

          BUT back to my point. The average blue collar manufacturing job is being chased out of this country via legislation. If that doesn’t work then they use regulation (epa versus cap/trade). What do you think this will do to industry? Bye Bye suckers…..and can you blame them? Stop killing the ones who want to pay you very well for an honest days work. But wait don’t the liberal dems prefer you to be dependent upon them? I think yes.

          • patrick

            Good Grief! We’re not talking about the ones that have always not wanted to work. There are millions of people who are unemployed due to no fault of their own who cannot find work, who the rep. have been badmouthing, calling lazy and everything else. The first thing that Joe miller said he would do is investigate Unemployment INSURANCE benefits. Out of touch = the Republican party. They totally cannot relate to what is going on in this country.Cut radical spending. But they’d rather pick on the weak that to take on the radicals who are really out to destroy this country. They’re so preoccupied with UI benefits and food stamps that they can’t see the forest for the trees. Stop the radical spending and those that are trying to destroy this nation. You’re gonna have to separate in your mind the fact that poor Americans aren’t the cause of this, they’re just the victims. The need help. You can’t dig out of a hole in the situation. I would hope that you would come to grips that you don’t really want Americans to starve to death. These are different times. There’s been still plenty of money to throw away and there’s enough to help these Americans. How do you think they’re gonna survive?

            If you were on the battlefield and your fellow soldier was shot would you just leave him laying there or would you stop and help him out. Same in this situation. Except in this situation it’s like people in a burning building. They’re all running toward the door and some fall down and the rest just have to step out over the top of them to save themselves. They’re kind of sorry they stepped over them, but they figure they are important enough that is was justified.

            You better be glad it’s not you, and I’m sure you are. You think if you’re still standing, you’re so much better than the ones that aren’t.

          • David

            One last time. If gov would stop trying to run everything aka nationalization, then there would be plenty of jobs. If gov would stop spending trillions??!! on empty programs, then there would be plenty of jobs.

            That’s why I do agree that if repubs screw up this time, then they will have to move on. The coming elections are just the first step. We still have “o” in office and he will veto any non-socialist bill. The following 2012 elections are the key to our future.

          • patrick

            David, in response to your post below, sure if corrupt gov would get out of the way, there would be jobs. My point is the party should be more understanding of the situation the poor and unemployed are in because of it instead on attacking them all the time. That’s something that you (all of you) don’t seem to be able to address with any compassion. You just either say mean things to us or avoid the subject. You know all the candidates are slamming us right now instead of concentrating on the real issues. I’m very upset about it because I’d waited and counted on them to fix it after Nov. elections and now I know that they could care less about us.

    • bruce d.

      This country use to care about achieving excellence and thereby creating oportunity. Now it looks to be all inclusive by lowering the standards to a point where those who achieve are looked on as the problem. We will all end up with very liitle equally if this trend continues.

      • patrick

        I’m not sure which side you’re arguing. The rich is afraid of distribution. I don’t see it being equal. There’ll always be very rich and poor. The middle is disappearing. The rich could help if they would. If the poor and unemployed weren’t being starved and made homeless right now. End the tax cuts. Help our economy. It’s what used to be paid. The tax cuts did not help the economy evidently during the years it existed, it just made the people more greedy. You’ll be name calling me at this point. I’m a life long Republican who’s tired of being called names by my party due to the fact they they are so out of touch with part of their people. I haven’t jumped all the way over to the other side, they have problems too, but I will not be insulted and put up with it. All my life I heard people say that the Rep. was the party of the rich and I did not believe it. I think they got away from that for a while, but not now. I hope they’ll wake up before it’s too late. You should care about all the people not just the rich ones. And your policies that you’re proposing to supossedly help folks, will starve them to death and put them out in the street before the effect can be felt. Give them a hand until you can get this under control.

        • David

          Exactly! Maybe you are a conservative like many of us. If the republicans screw up after the sweep, we will replace them with true conservatives that believe in small gov, strong defense, and liberty.

          • patrick

            True conservatives? Any conservative would have to be a true conservative I think. It’s just that this new breed is greedy and only cares about themselves. The ideals they speak of have merrit but it would take time. You want to get the cart before the horse. Lets starve the poor to death, justifying that they’re lazy and they must not be a true conservative or they’d have a job or not care if their starving or their kids? You’re living on fantasy island brainwashed by Beck and the like. I liked him too until I realized how much he was saying against me as an unemployed American. When he said we should be ashamed to call anyone who is unemployed over 99 weeks an American and more has been said. Some of this stuff has gone too far, wake up, compassion is important.

          • David

            I hope for your sake that you are not truely poor which begs the distinction again between the 5-6% who plan to be poor and the 3-4% (at the moment) who are having tough times. So there is nothing at all out there for you? What’s your background?

            So what’s it going to be? Are you going to become a hateful liberal and give up your liberties because you have no job?

          • patrick

            David,
            What a jerk you are. I hope republicans are looking at you to see the new breed of the party. I’m not a percent, I’m a person. How dare you suggest that I “plan to be poor” or having tough times and that would be more than 3-4%. It’s amazing how your kind throw statistics around that they can’t back up. John Stossel said on O’reilly about a month ago that (I forget the %) but a large % of the unemployed find a job within a week after running out of benefits, he said there were studies showing that. What a crock. Stands to reason, there are millions of long term unemployed and not enough jobs for them. You can’t find jobs in a week anyway. Those times are past.

            My background is none of your business but I can tell you it’s not out of date or unskilled, I’m sure that’s where your headed. Another thing that you people do. You get on to us in one instance that it’s our fault we’re not employed and in the next your slamming Obama that they killed the job industry and not created any. As a matter of fact that’s what you’ve been doing here all day. Talking about how the condition of the gov. has caused there not to be any jobs. You can’t have it both ways.

            I’m not hateful just speaking truth and not walking mindlessly in step with those that could care less about me. If the party gets back to where it was 15 years ago, I’d love to be back in. And I’m not a liberal. How dare you condemn me because I don’t have a job. I worked hard for 35 years building for a future and will again if my party will get over theirselves and start looking out for the people, all people again. I have too much to do to continue with this. I have to work, and do all kinds of things to make ends meet so I have to get after it. And don’t be judging that. Like I previously said, I’m sure you wouldn’t have done some of the things that I have to earn money until I can find a job. You’re the hateful one. You just want to be right not listen. You think you’re better than me. I doubt it.

    • http://poehw@comcast.net Flip one over

      Patrick, You just simply don’t get it. We Americans are the most generous people this world has ever know save the Romans who failed due to being every thing to every body. Which is were we are headed if we take your tack.

      • David

        I’ve been trying…he is slipping to the dark side. Liberals will welcome him with open arms.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Dream on!

      • patrick

        Yall are just slow. I know this has always been the most giving country. That’s why it angers me that now when your own people need some compassion and some help all you can do is call them liberals and worse. I’m not on the dark side either. You’re really showing the love. I have my eyes wide open to this new republican party way of thinking.

    • Lewis Munn

      That is precisely why we need to stop persecuting the 3rd parties, and vote for the honest one or ones!

      As long as the DemoPublicans are not seriously challenged we will have more of the same from the two-headed single party monster.

      But we have been indoctrinated, as is obvious, that we have to have 2 and only two parties always fighting until they will suddenly agree and the jaws of the trap close and we are done for.

  • Vigilant

    “Four Marxist Classics?”

    Would that be Groucho, Harpo, Chico and Zeppo, or would it be Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Van Jones?

    • JeffH

      You missed the fifth Maxist brother…Gummo Biden.

    • Lewis Munn

      “Chuckle” Art least those 4 Marxists were humorous, and the good moral was usually there, if artfully concealed!

  • Clifton Lee West

    Individuals born after 1945 missed a great deal of watching America climb out of a depression, fight a world war and charge into the future with renewed hope of a better tomorrow. To individuals like me, discussion of the “haves” and “have-nots” is laughable. In the 1930s you were wealthy if you had a job and could provide a roof over your head and buy food. Soup kitchens were all over the nation and provided the only food some would have and more often than not ran out of food long before they ran out of people. At that time, if you were willing to do labor work, any kind, there was work available. Now, all too often, our young consider menial work beneath them. Most want to be highly paid professionals overnight. Unions and the like can never guarantee work because they don’t create it, all they usually do is make it more difficult for the business enterprises who do hire people to work by trying to control the enterprises. Rather counter productive, isn’t it? I would rather work for $10.00 an hour and work all the time, than $50.00 an hour and work now and then and maybe never! I like to think of this is exercising common sense, a fading asset in too many people.

    Clifton Lee West

    • patrick

      Hold on. Here you are lumping some into one group.

      The point I’m trying to make, back them there WERE people who were very understanding that the poor people need food.

      Many unemployed now ARE willing to work. I for one have done very hard work that I’m pretty sure things YOU would not have done.

      The system has been set up for 75 years to help with UI benefits and food stamps in times like these. Quit demonizing those who need a hand up. It could be you and anyone.

      That’s what I’m saying, you’re blaming the victims of this recession. There aren’t jobs out there enough for all. There are a lot of factors in this for each person that I won’t get into here. But rest assured that the unemployed of the last 2 years would much rather be working a job that they could afford to get to than to be name called the way they have been.

      • David

        Sure many people want to be working right now but it’s the current admin that is keeping every industry on high alert. We have been legislated and REGULATED to the point of no return. Liberals wonder why companies move offshore…..can you blame them?

        Businesses are in the business of making money. If they can’t they will not hire nor spend any capx monies to grow. We need to cut the legs out from under epa and all of his wack czars…

        • Warrior

          Bingo – you get the prize.

      • Jesse

        I think you may be a little defensive. I have used food stamps in the past. I have used UI in the past. I also know that there are others who abuse these programs. If you are really on these programs, you should have seen the abuse for yourself. I think it is wrong when people sit at home and do not go job hunting, but collect UI. I have seen this many times. I have seen many women drawing food stamps and insurance and cash for their children while in public assistance housing. Unfortunately, they do not report that the father of their children live there to. He also makes extremely good money. Her job paid decently too. If both incomes were reported, there would not have been free food, insurance, or cash.
        I am NOT accusing you of these things. BUT it does happen and it is not right. The programs were set up to help in a time of need, but some people never stop needing.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        You’re focusing your frustration in the wrong direction. Government overreach is not your friend.

        • patrick

          To all you people who are picking me apart rather than dealing with the bigger picture:
          I’m not drawing on anything right now, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I was on unemployment til it ran out. That was my situation, unemployed. I will be going very soon for Food Stamps and welfare if I can’t find a job in a week or so. There are many regulations on UI more so than the other things. It should be extended to help these folks.

          It someone is on the take, it should be policed. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t have these programs for those who need them. You’re mad at the wrong people.

          It’s polically correct to say Radical Muslem rather than Muslem. Look what happened to Bill Orielly yesterday. It’s ashamed that it’s totally acceptable to lump all unemployed and poor into one mold. I’m hoping to raise some awareness to this. I expect until it hits YOUR dinner table, you won’t care.

          The republicans need to realize that other republicans are in this situation and you’ve deserted them. Writing them off as a liberal.
          God’s gonna judge this country for how your treating these people.

          • libertytrain

            Watching the replay of the “View” only showed that a couple of women were very unprofessional and much to Barbara Walters credit she expressed the same opinion to the viewers of that “show” that the women were indeed unprofessional.

          • patrick

            Well as usual you see what you wanted to. You think if you ignore something it doesn’t exist. Another out of touch Republican.

    • Lewis Munn

      “Common sense” is not taught in our schools, and seldom our homes.

      We do not want anything “common”!! Not even sense.

  • Jack

    The people who attended the Oct 2d event are what Lenin referred to as “useful idiots.” If and when they should achieve their objective, these “useful idiots” become cannon fodder.

    • s c

      Right you are, Jack. Now, please help us convince the wannabe Bolsheviks who come to this website that they can’t be free or responsible unless or until they help to correct the damage they’ve done to America.
      Lenin, that evil bastard thug and spawn of satan, would be proud of his robot sons and daughters who infest America (including the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court).

    • Angel Wannabe

      Yep Jack_ useful til’ the masters have gotten ahead, and then they are tossed to the wolves__Til another hopeful passes buy!

  • http://com i41

    All unions are for, is the no minded midgets who need a suypervisor over them at alll times. To f–king dumb to understand how jobs proceed in stages. Unions protect screw ups and keep incompetent, worthless pukes that should be fired. If it teamsters, chemical workers, teachers, or any other union, if they are kicked out of the company operations, productivity goes up with less people, and job is done better. Union workers only will be a one job wonder, unless the shop steward says it is OK. By the time you are 25 yeas old you had better have learned a few different jobs.

    • David

      That’s why this country is at the tipping point…..they know that we know they are useless and will fight to stop any bailout of their pensions, etc.

    • Eric Bischoff

      So explain this you dummKopf.

      Germany has somehow managed to create a HIGH WAGE, UNIONIZED economy without shipping all its jobs abroad or creating a massive trade deficit, or any trade deficit at all. And even as the Germans outsell the United States, they manage to take six weeks of vacation every year. They’re beating us with one hand tied behind their back.”

      • libertytrain

        Have you talked with any German business owners of their opinion and reality?

      • Vigilant

        And Germany reflects pretty much what we see in the rest of Western Europe: Traditionally and chronically high unemployment and very anemic GDP growth.

        And what’s the mehrwertsteuer (VAT) these days? Still 18%, or has it gone up?

        • libertytrain

          It’s 19% for the moment, but am sure Eric could easily afford it —

    • Lewis Munn

      I was fired from a teaching job by the teacher’s union, for teaching too well! I had to laugh as I looked for other work! My other teacher in the department capitulated and got off keeping his job with a severe reprimand!!

      C. S. Lewis, in one of his books, I think “That Hideous Strength” talked of socialism in England way back when, where in a wheat field the shorter, sparsely-bearing stalks were encouraged to pull down the tall, fruitful ones, until even the good stalks were cutting their own heads off to be no better or fruitful than any other.

      We are not making much progress!!

  • James

    I would suggest that our biggest bugaboo is “Free Trade,” it has a nice ring to it but allowing near slave-labor China, and others, unlimited access to our markets has made them rich and us poor. Our free labor couldn’t compete with that, and communist unions here, ever crusading for higher wages, just made it worse. When Chinese workers struck for higher wages, they were simply slaughtered. China views that as population control, they have a law limiting families to one child but that’s impossible to enforce.
    Free Trade used to mean swapping metal tools for blankets and corn (with the Indians) both parties benefited. Allowing nations to sell their wares here isn’t free trade. It’s just forcing our wages down to the third-world level, a necessity for the New World Order to work.

  • Warrior

    So now it is being reported in the great state of ILL that green candidate for Gov, Rich Whitney’s name has been misspelled on the ballot. It was mistakenly spelled Rich Whitey. Do tell! And it gets better. The absentee ballots sent out to US service men were sent out late so they may not make it back in time and will possibly miss the return cut off date in order to be counted.

    I’m positive this is just an innocent little mistake by the ones that control the elections. Oh by the way, that would be the wonderful democratic socialist party of ILL.

  • csiebert

    You mention the “Have Nots”, dont forget the looters from Ayn Rand :).

  • Rick

    I am amazed at these people with a Marxist agenda who do not think they represent any kind of “SPECIAL INTERESTS”, which is as ludicrous
    as thinking Ajhmadenajad is a sweet, tender, lover of America. Obama
    has not entertained more than a handful of business people, while he
    has had hundreds of these apparatchiks at the White House.

  • Buster

    The rich have been waging class warfare against the poor an middle class for over a century. You people are blind to the truth.

    • patrick

      So true

    • Vigilant

      Buster:

      Afraid you got that completely ass-backwards! The rich (producers and entrepreneurs) in this country have been on the butt end of the war waged against THEM. It’s useless to try and explain to a “true believer” like you that the rich have no stake in making the middle class poorer. On the contrary, the more consumer $$$ that’s available, the better for industry. But logic doesn’t penetrate the Neanderthal skulls of Darwin’s finest.

      Only a Marxist propagandist could turn that “class warfare” BS on its head and make out the capitalists to be the ones waging the “war.” You guys are worse than pitiful.

    • http://poehw@comcast.net Flip one over

      This is to Patrick and Buster.
      I can’t help but think you two have never in your lift created a job and the liklyhood of either of you doing so is like, impossible. You guys are the ones who never, ever appreciate anything, I bet neither of you have ever picked up a scrap piece of paper and put in in the garbage can. This is the message you are sending, sorry but the truth does hurt sometimes.

      • patrick

        I’ve done lots of hard work. Just because I can see a cause outside of the reach of my own arms doesn’t mean that I’m lazy. How in the world do you get that? Point the finger back at yourself.

    • Jesse

      The corporations would cut their on throats by doing away with the middle class. If everyone but them is poor, who will buy their products?

  • EltonJ

    They trashed the National Mall. They have no respect for our Nation’s capital.

    • Vigilant

      You’re right, EltonJ.

      Where are all the usual leftist environmentalists who like to run off at the mouth except when you mention this fact? They are so shamed by their own hypocrisy, they wouldn’t deign to answer.

  • Elissa

    Hi Clifton! I was born in 1949, so I CAN relate to what you are saying since my parents were teens during the Depression, while at the same time the ’50′s and ’60′s it seemed like nothing was impossible if a person was willing to study hard, work hard, and save money to invest in your dream. I agree with you too about the changing attitudes in our young people. I used to work in an alternative school for teens, and they always seemed to have the latest electronic gadgets, Nike shoes, etc. even if it meant that their parents had to work two or even three jobs to provide them, the kids had the attitude that they had a RIGHT to have neat stuff. I used to laugh when the students would get their “first” job, the shock on their faces when they learned that they actually had to WORK instead of just going to a place where they could hang out with their friends and pick up a paycheck for doing it! Unfortunately, those “teens” are now the generation which showed up for this Union/communist get-together, and they are sucking up the “gimmee” philosophy like it is candy, which in a way it is. But you need more than “candy” to survive and be healthy – you need meat and potatoes and vegetables.

  • Dan Gamache

    Beware of Democrats and Republicans!! They are all PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS. Millionaires and lawyers looking out for themselves and their kin while screwing the average American. Americans can never be free until they rid themselves of CRIMINAL GANGSTERS who have to band together in bands called parties which are no better than MS13, The Latin Kings, or any other number of other illegal criminal enterprises that prey on the weak and unwary.

    Americans need to elect CITIZEN STATESMEN who are not beholding to criminal gangsters who give them backing and financing. CITIZEN STATESMEN who are not PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS and who love America more than they love power and money. CITIZEN STATESMEN who will represent us instead of Lobbyists for corporations who ply them with under the table cash and benefits. CITIZEN STATESMEN who will represent us instead of RULING OVER US.

    Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. It is a dirty, soiled currency backed by graft and greed that will no longer purchase honest representation for the American voter and taxpayer.

    • Lewis Munn

      Dan

      We have these people.

      They are in minor parties, that most folks have been trained to ignore in our public schools and on the airwaves!

      Are YOU voting for the good folks in a minor party so they can become a major influence for good government?

  • Polski

    The usual pay for a corporate CEO is $16 million a year. That’s much more than union bosses get. Who do you think makes the decisions, a corporate CEO or a union boss? Sure isn’t the union boss. But then you get into the good person/bad person. Not every boss is Jimmy Hoffa, but there are several like him. But this is the era of the CEO. BP, WAMU, Enron, Tyco, Exxon,…….But then there were the “robber barons” in the late 1800s, well actually, throughout the history of mankind there were the versions of the CEOs. And they caused everyone grief. Have you ever heard of the Rothchilds?

    • JeffH

      Polski…could you tell us about these “Rotschilds”?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Polski, how about the Warburgs?

  • marvin

    here is a stuped question for you, are their any place in goverment other then federal goverment where you can be put in to a none elected life time job with no way to remove but impeachment then only by two thirds vote

    • THIRD PARTY

      YA,IT WAS CALLED A KING.

  • Howard R Gray

    I don’t believe the fight is necessarily perpetual, the balance can be shifted, even the most stupid of the left are aware of the fact that this is the last time they will have a fighting chance of communizing the United States of America. The balance will shift permanently for all practical purposes, the left this time have chosen to follow the Fabian creeping death model of imposing their ideas on us, they have been outed, and increasingly they will have to paper over their ridiculous policy nostrums that have brought down a huge economic failure on their own heads. Communists and or socialists, all the same to me, are like dogs chasing cars, they get up to the car and haven’t a clue what to do next when, in the dogs case, they grasp cars are inedible and stop the chase but the left on the other hand when in government, don’t understand why all their silly prescriptions, time and again, don’t work.

    The advent of the Tea Party movement is the antidote to their fantasy communism. To repeat the point, without the Tea Party, the left would have had a chance of success in their totalitarian project. The simple fact is they have lost the debate for a number of reasons, and the more astute of them know this to be true, and it hurts no end! Communizing this country, as likely as not, won’t happen for very good reasons; the left are now at last having their noses rubbed into their own foul history let alone the manifest policy failures too. Violence, mass murder, haughty intolerance, to name a few features of the elitist socialists is emerging and being understood. The extraordinary receptivity of the Tea Party to reading and updating their education about the politics of the left as well as improving their appreciation of the constitutional history of the most successful nation on earth.

    The United States, founded by British secessionists, is an extraordinary entity, running a nation such as this is far too complex for the absurd narrow doctrines of the left, it will take centuries to understand how this country works so much is tacit in nature and very hard to comprehend. The study is rather like astronomy, there is a never ending complexity to reckon with, we can learn more each day but there is always more to learn and always will be. Communists and socialists try to settle what can never be settled, there is more to learn and more to correct and fine tune, their ideas predicate a solution in its entirety leading to a fool’s paradise.

    Libertarianism was the antidote to communism on an intellectual level, though it is still a minority sport in the political fabric of the nation. I recall as a child, the sobriquet that “communism was alright in theory but not so hot in practice”, we now know it is not OK in theory either. The left no longer have the fall back of saying that it will be fine once we get the bugs out of the system. Nowhere on earth has a communist government succeeded in providing adequately for the masses, nor will they ever be able to do so. This is the one fact that will always defeat them. Reality bites, no more so than those who ignore it as the left does. To date, millions have been snuffed out by supporters of these poisonous communist and socialist ideas, not even Torquemada of the Spanish Inquisition killed even remotely as many as these fools have managed to achieve. Estimates of the Spanish Inquisition vary from 2,000 to 5,000 killed a far cry from Over 100 million plus who have been extinguished by various forms of socialism. It isn’t accidental that left wing demonstrations devolve into violence more often than not, to cast the Tea Party in the same mould as innately racist and violent is merely a projection of their own ailing minds onto a peaceful movement that they just refuse to understand or even consider seriously. More fool them!

    Ayn Rand understood the nature of communism; she lived through the Russian Bolshevik revolution and took flight from it. Atlas Shrugged, often condemned by leftists as a poorly written book, completely leaving out the message the book had to pass on which it did despite critical abhorrence. That message has come down to us in part by providing an entry portal for many of us to ideas that have intellectually destroyed the left; they don’t have answers to their failure.

    The Tea Party exists to promote ideas that for the longest time had no real champions, thanks to Ayn Rand and others there is a libertarian movement, and now the Tea Party movement, bringing a sense of independence amongst voters that won’t change any time soon. The Republican Party should be aware that their record in government isn’t exactly pristine, for so long the GOP has gone along with the excesses of big government, this won’t be an easy choice for them anymore.

    The trade unions were designed to assist labour in protection of their members from rapacious business owners and shareholders; to that end they did have some success. However, over time the union bosses have set up mini nomenclaturas within the unions to benefit themselves. The bosses pay themselves staggering salaries and skin the fee paying membership. How nice. Over time the unions acquired protections and political patronage, in short the usual well understood progress to guild socialism akin to that of other professions and trades that amounts to stiffing the public and feathering their own nests. As organizations their legitimate functions have largely passed into history, now they are in bed with the establishment and, where appropriate, the government when the Democrat party is in power. The unions are run in a fashion that should be very instructive to those who advocate communism or socialism. The corruption, nepotism, sheer bad management, to say the least, should be a warning to those who seriously think leftists can organize a booze up in a brewery or distillery with any chance of success.

    Class war is stupid, even on a cursory view, when was the last time a poor person offered you a job? Robert Ringer is a great commentator, I’m not so pessimistic about the future, I do believe that the left have only this one chance for the foreseeable future to get a hold on the nation, it will slip away from them simply because they don’t deserve to succeed, history isn’t on their side there are too many dead people in their wake as they supposedly progress their ideas of their future not ours. Fortunately we don’t have to follow them.
    Political correctness, social airbrushing, all techniques to prevent free and fair speech and sharing of opinions, unpopular or otherwise, aren’t going to cut it either. After all, what do they offer even on a good day? The debate about how to run this nation will take many years to work through the system, much like the Fabians we must enjoin the discourse and never let up, we have history on our side and a better model of how the world works, though that will always require amendment.

    Social burglary and peculation of the most creative among us in high taxes, blatant redistribution of other peoples’ wealth, is that the best they have to offer? Wealth is very subtle in how it arrives and how it works, hit those who create it and the goose that lays those golden eggs just gets up and flies away. Class war works to defeat those who promote it, scare the goose and the wealth leaves town, much like the elusive John Gault wealth creators just stand down or disappear. There was an ironic moment when Obama’s father was asked about 100% taxation as being OK when applied to the rich. He seemed to have no problem with the idea. Here’s the irony, isn’t 100% taxation directly equivalent to slavery? You have to be stunningly unintelligent to assume class war has any chance of success, those who sponsor it are either fools or mendacious with a less than acceptable agenda in mind. Beware!

  • ONTIME

    The oldest style of psychological warfare in the world is to divide and conquer, the communist, even ours, love the use of this tactic, drive the wedge and when the time is right, strike it hard and beak the unity. Barry and his mob are using the blacks as pimps to drive the wedge, the unions and the supporting MSM are right in there with them. The motto: “Lie, cheat, avoid and shill, that’s the way we make the kill.” So tell good people, how’s he doing?

    This goon wants to rule by decree, he is using his agenda to make his goal and earn that big stipend from Soros, he is wedging energy, classes, business and soon, probably before the upcoming election, information. Yes he is going to try and intrude on the internet in a desperate move to stop the information that is flooding the voids he has left, he is a desperate man and his thuggs are shaking in their boots because they know what success means for the opposition in this election.

    Keep your knives sharp and your powder dry folks, were in for a bumpy ride.

  • Nancy Williams

    If eligible voters continue to NOT exercise their voting rights,they will make it a LOT easier for Socialism or COMMUNISM to overthrow our government. People must get OFF their DUFFS and VOTE. Democracy is a CONSTANT EFFORT, not a place of COMPLACENCY.

    • patrick

      Vote for what, there are no good choices. The republicans would have had my vote if they hadn’t have decided to turn on the poor. They are so out of touch that they didn’t realize how that would effect their own party members.

      • Eric Bischoff

        I believe it’s time to have guts and finally vote for the real bold progressives and independents, the ones willing to put the people and the country first and above the party. The ones who have ideas that people are always afraid to try. The ones who get blamed for ruining things when in reality no one is listening to them and they do not control and therefore cannot be blamed for all that is wrong now. What have we got to lose? We don’t have much left I am afraid.

        Don’t be fooled into believing that the Tea Party are these people. Most of them are republicans in disguise and they are funded by the Radical right Koch Billionaires who made their money in oil from the Socialist Communist Bolsheviks. And they are promoted by Fox which is partly owned by a Saudi Prince and a right wing nut case from Australia.

        We need some new and intelligent ideas not the old bull that lower taxes will bring jobs. The rich have had their lower taxes and they are laughing all the way to the bank. They are not creating jobs and they are paying us less and less for our labor for 30 years now.

        Want to balance the budget and defuse the hatred around the world for us, Vote for the antiwar candidates. What are you all so afraid of?

        • patrick

          Thanks Eric, more common sense.

        • Craig

          Uh, no thanks, progressives are low life socialist scum hiding behind a nice sounding name.

      • Lewis Munn

        Vote for the Libertarians; small party but very conservative.

        And there are others to vote for.

        But if you people are really serious, and not just talking to hear your own voices in print, move outside the 2-party box and vote for a 3rd party that reflects your important views most closely, and tell others of like mind there IS a way out at the ballot box. If they are willing to forget the propaganda we get all the time.

        Remember, our major parties started small once, but people believed in them and voted them into major status. It could happen again if enough can break the shackles of “conventional” ?wisdom? and indoctrination.

        • Jesse

          YES!! Vote 3rd party and split the vote. this will work. The DEMs must win. this strategy will put the DEMs in.

        • Jesse

          I apologize for my saecasm – I could not resist, but I admit it was uncalled for. As others have stated, Vote for the most qualified candidate, not the party.

          • patrick

            I wish there were some.

  • Concerned American

    These radicals feel emboldened by our Socialist leaning President, his entire college career and his background all make them feel they have an adversary in the White House now, someone totally committed to a “fundamental transformation” of our country, starting with spending us into oblivion.

  • Mac

    All this talk of impeachment means little. Impeachment does not necessarily result in removal from office; Clinton was impeached and look where it got him. Seems to me that Obama could be impeached for not showing his real birth certificate. Without doing that, nobody knows for sure if he is legally President. If he has nothing to hide he should show it.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Yeah that’s brilliant. Impeach a black guy because you just can’t stomach that he is actually born here and was elected. And the other one Impeach him for a blow job. But the 2 that should have gotten impeached for stealing elections, lying and starting wars based on lies, they get a free pass.

      • Lewis Munn

        Eric, first off you throw in racism. That is unpalatable.

        Secondly, you try to minimize the issues of his qualifications. We really have no hard data to go on, since so much is concealed, but the very act of Concealment is suspicious.

        What is there that he does NOT want us to know about him? I have never seen anybody who was honest and sincere who would spend millions to conceal his grades, his papers, etc. My records, for what they are worth, are open to anybody who wants to check me out. And would be if I was running for President.

        He didn’t even participate in the Democratic Process when in the Legislature…merely voting “present”. Wishywashy, taking no stand, concealing his opinions. That is very disconcerting. Why did he not participate when he had the chance? Not just disconcerting, suspicious!

        Was it because he had no teleprompters to his “control” so he would know what to say and do??

        I have never been concerned about colour, and I have friends of many types and colours. But they are open with me, and I in return with them. And they have proven honesty also. No hidden late-night dealings against me!

        I thought it would be nice if we had a good, honest, coloured person for President. I did not vote for him, because of his political philosophies, but I did not run him down, either. I am now glad I did not, since his actual actions are just plain wrong, and getting worse. And he seems to be tied to his teleprompter!

        Historically, we had a President who came in and delivered a false Birth Certificate. Chester Arthur, noted for being one of our worst, most corrupt Presidents. His real certificate was recently discovered, where he had been in Canada!

        The precedent is a President whose birth certificate is in question is one to be very wary of. And the vast amount of paperwork relating to his life and principles, or lack of same, is hidden, which says there are many things he is keeping from us that should be publicly available. His college work impacts on his qualifications to be President.

        Many other loose ends that he refuses to clarify, and that by itself makes me feel his qualifications to be President are very shaky, and there is a need to clarify pronto!

        How can a thinking person not want our leader to be open and transparent? Especially when he said he would be to get elected!!

  • Patriot

    This is why there is class warfare. Our one-sided trade policies need to be renegotiated.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/category/unemployment

  • American Citizen

    Once the welfare state became a reality, all that spineless people can say is, “gimme, gimme!” like a bunch of children. Why they want to become slaves of the government is beyond my ken.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Which welfare state are you referring to, the miniscule one for the poor and disabled or the rather hefty large one comprised of bank bailouts, subsidies and special tax breaks to corporations and the lower tax rates for the wealthy? I believe that you will be surprised once you add them up and compare them. It’s so easy to blame everything on the powerless.

      • patrick

        So well said. You nailed it.

  • Eric Bischoff

    I think that what pisses the racist bigots off the most and has only recently woken their fat asses out of their fast food and sugar drinks stupor is that they can’t understand how a black man could be elected president while most of the illiterate dumb-ass whities couldn’t even hold a candle to him.

    That’s got to be twisting their panties and now they are all regurgitating Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly et al and spewing out labels, they obviously have no comprehension of, like pinhead squirrels who just realize that winter is coming and they better get to work.

    Sadly they are only going to get more of what they all deserve!

    Pathetic!

    • patrick

      Maybe you could run for office. You’re seeing it.

    • http://poehw@comcast.net Flip one over

      I no longer subcomb to your racis attitude, But just so you know and will very soon understand.
      The only raceism in this country is from the likes of you. I believe with all my heart that most minorities as well as most all others in this country are not and are very pleased to have your opinion reflected back into your cute little face.

      • eddie47d

        Can you read?

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      It’s people consumed with white guilt that do the greatest disservice to minorities.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    A Big Reality is this; The US has lost millions of Jobs, and THAT unemployed number is increased by the people entering the job market for the first time(125,000-150,000 new jobs needed). The US also needs to create 15 million MORE jobs over 10 years in order to stay even with population growth! When you look at the whole picture the US is NOT going to be able to fully employ around 25 million people (thats right now!) So……

    Where are they gonna Live?
    Who’s gonna feed them?
    Who’s gonna pay this bill?
    Taxes Increased?
    Print more Money?
    Hyperinflation?

    Thats ALOT of people…….Keep the Powder dry friends….

    Store Food-Fuel-Firearms-Farming

  • ’53 Korean Vet

    While we’re looking at ‘Class-Warfare’–Let’s see what U.S. History
    books were diverted from showing our High School students from the American Revolutionary War-! Did you know that 400 men Saved an Army at the Battle of Brooklyn-!? At the same time they “Saved” Washington,
    from being Captured or Killed! Wow! They’d also save “The Revolution”!
    Being military, I know that 400 troops against 4,000 ‘crack’ British
    Troops–that’s not bravery, that’s not courage–IT’S SUICIDE-! I saw a photo in an old book, which I didn’t believe–so I researched it & found that it was True! A 35 ft. monument in King’s Co, N.Y–honoring
    the “Maryland Four Hundred” for having “Saved” the Army at Brooklyn-!
    I knew that no small group of men had ever gained ‘Credit’ for saving
    an Army, any where in the world-! (’cause I asked–”Why can’t the Army
    “SAVE ITSELF”!) That’s why no one ever had “that Honor”! That was 14 years, ago-! Type in– http://www.nyfreedom.com/oldstonehouse.htm –and see for yourself–it was placed on the web, just 5 yrs ago! Enjoy seeing True History again.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Yes but you can only blame right wing conservative christian republicans from Texas for this. They control the school book curriculum for the entire of the country. And this year they decided that we should not teach about Jefferson. Keep dumbing it down!

      • Lewis Munn

        Eric,

        Have you looked at the Christian private school materials on History? I think you need to look at what real Christians actually believe and teach. And do.

        Make sure, however, they are real Christians, following ALL the teaching of Christ, before you slander the Righteous!! You really do not have a right to speak as authiority to what you do not know!!

        • HFlashman

          Ahhhh…now we have “real” chrstians and those that are presumably not “real” christians.

          Fill me in….who decides what is a “real” cristian?

          Were th nuns and priests slaughtered by the Contras…those ‘freedom fighters’ aka thugs that Reagan and North gave funds to illegally…were those nuns and priests “real” christians? Was Mother Teresa a “real” christian? Was Jerry falwell or Pat Robertson…are they ‘real” christians?

          Kind of like deciding who is a “real” Muslim ….

          • libertytrain

            HFlashman – I’ve seen that on both sides “the real Christian” argument and I have to agree with you – I don’t get how anyone can decide who the “real” Christian is unless perhaps they are Jesus Christ -

    • Eric Bischoff

      Have you seen the article”Why Germany has it so good — and Why America is going down the drain”?

      And while we are all sitting around arguing our stupid and not well thought out, mean spirited ideas, It appears that Germany, a SOCIAL DEMOCRACY is kicking everyone’s butt! It’s sad that we are now acting like they were in the 30′s racing towards fascism while they have grown up and gotten more humane and social.

      Here are some passages

      While the bad news of the Euro crisis makes headlines in the US, we hear next to nothing about a quiet revolution in Europe. The European Union, 27 member nations with a half billion people, has become the largest, wealthiest trading bloc in the world, producing nearly a third of the world’s economy — nearly as large as the US and China combined. Europe has more Fortune 500 companies than either the US, China or Japan.

      European nations spend far less than the United States for universal healthcare rated by the World Health Organization as the best in the world, even as U.S. health care is ranked 37th. Europe leads in confronting global climate change with renewable energy technologies, creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs in the process. Europe is twice as energy efficient as the US and their ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is about half that of the United States for the same standard of living.

      Unemployment in the US is widespread and becoming chronic, but when Americans have jobs, we work much longer hours than our peers in Europe. Before the recession, Americans were working 1,804 hours per year versus 1,436 hours for Germans — the equivalent of nine extra 40-hour weeks per year.

      In his new book,amazon.com/Were You Born on the Wrong Continent?, Thomas Geoghegan makes a strong case that European social democracies — particularly Germany — have some lessons and models that might make life a lot more livable. Germans have six weeks of federally mandated vacation, free university tuition, and nursing care. But you’ve heard the arguments for years about how those wussy Europeans can’t compete in a global economy. You’ve heard that so many times, you might believe it. But like so many things, the media repeats endlessly, it’s just not true.

      According to Geoghegan, “Since 2003, it’s not China but Germany, that colossus of European socialism, that has either led the world in export sales or at least been tied for first. Even as we in the United States fall more deeply into the clutches of our foreign creditors — China foremost among them — Germany has somehow managed to create a high-wage, unionized economy without shipping all its jobs abroad or creating a massive trade deficit, or any trade deficit at all. And even as the Germans outsell the United States, they manage to take six weeks of vacation every year. They’re beating us with one hand tied behind their back.”

      Thomas Geoghegan, a graduate of Harvard and Harvard Law School, is a labor lawyer with Despres, Schwartz and Geoghegan in Chicago. He has been a staff writer and contributing writer to The New Republic, and his work has appeared in many other journals. Geoghagen ran unsuccessfully in the Democratic Congressional primary to succeed Rahm Emanuel, and is the author of six books including Whose Side Are You on, The Secret Lives of Citizens, and, most recently,amazon.com -Were You Born on the Wrong Continent? 

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        Sounds like you and Thomas might prefer to live in Germany.

        • Karolyn

          Standard response rather than address the issues and learn lessons from other countries. The arrogance in this country is what makes us hated by so many.

      • truesoy

        Sad enough, you are probably wasting your time. There is a large element of our society that is in denial. They don’t look at the facts, but rather, have the facts explained to them by talk shows hosts in mostly right wing radio. Because lack critical thinking they become a ‘repeater’ of whatever information they are fed. Point in case are the Tea Party candidates, they ‘parrot’ talking points and slogans, they oppose to things without any understanding of the issues as it was the case with O’Donnel, that when asked during her debate about Supreme Court decisions she did not agree with her mind went blank; you’d thought she was being ask the population of Mars. And she wants to be a U.S. Senator.!

        • Michael J.

          truesoy,
          So smug and so wrong to the point of being naive. I am sure Christine O’Donnell knows there are 50 states instead of 57 and also knows the difference between “Corps and Corpse”.

  • Nancy P.

    Friends of ours attended Beck’s rally, and said that there were black folks there, who were just as interested in what Beck was saying as everybody else. The main thing that they noted, was that since this was their second time in Washington, when the rallies were over, the park employees didn’t have anything to do except empty the trash cans. They said there wasn’t one piece of paper, nothing at all, left on the grounds, so you can see from that description, that these were responsible folks that took responsibility for who they were. Nice!! And very telling…

  • Eric Bischoff

    Capitalism and the so called free market is the problem. Why? Because the premise is flawed. It is based on perpetual growth and that is not possible because it is not sustainable.

    That’s why they acquire and merge and lay your asses off every chance they get. They need high unemployment. Unfortunately they’ve pushed us too far and now we aren’t spending, we can’t spend anymore. We have no savings, no equity in our houses and no more room on our credit cards.

    So they illegally print fake monopoly money and devalue our hard earned dollars while we sleep. We are flirting with hyperinflation.

    Mondragon’s Cooperative Corporations is a better model.

    It’s time for more equality and fairness. We don’t need 2% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth while the rest are now fighting for the scraps, for jobs, getting thrown out of their houses and filing bankruptcy after getting sick and not having universal healthcare. That’s us, we are the rest!

    You can all sit around and blame it on the immigrants and the black man all you want. That just makes you stupid and it’s not going to solve anything.

    We are headed straight into fascism and Fox, the most watched network in the US is making sure that we get there.

    Stupid white men whose only ideas for solving anything is perpetual wars.

    • eddie47d

      That’s why Mexico has dumbed down and is riddled with poverty. All the wealth is in the hands of a few.The welthy in America are trying to do the same and the middle class is falling fast.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      Three cheers for the greatest country in the world and its “flawed premise”!

  • Wayne

    Since I see new names in here I will post this message again. I still believe in this statement I made:

    I have always been told to stay out of debt, and save up for a rainy day. We know that Congress members do not do this when it comes to the taxpayers money. I am a registered Republican, but I consider myself a conservative. I grew up poor and that has a tendency to make a person conservative. This is the way I see it. We have Communist, Socialist, Liberals, and many other people in our government. Think of it this way; the two main parties are Republican and Democrat. Now the people who would like to change our system of government cannot run on a ticket of being a Communist, Socialist, or a liberal, or they would never get elected. So, they have to either run as a Republican or a Democrat to be able to get elected. This is why you have bad people in both parties. This could be stopped, or slowed down considerably if the idiots of both parties would vet their candidates better than what they have in the past. Just think, if the Democrats would have vetted Barack Hussein NObama we would not be discussing his birth certificate issue, or whether he is a Muslim or not. When a person applies for a law enforcement job he is thoroughly vetted. Even when I was in the military I was fingerprinted and had to name what religious denomination I was. Now, since this applies to these jobs, you would surely think it would apply to the position of being a president of a nation who will be in charge of all the nations security. Our Nations debt has been building up for the last 30 years, but it has really gained momentum under NObama. I’ll tell you exactly what our trouble is; it is the peoples failure to know what in the hell their law makers are doing on Capital Hill. We vote them in, and then we never see them again until they come back and start begging for their job back, again. After they are elected to Congress a lot of them come out rich. Do you suppose they are taking money under the table from some of the lobbyists that go to Capital Hill. I would almost bet my life this is happening. People are going to have to wake up and start watching their representatives in Congress like they watch their favorite baseball game, football game, basketball games, and etc. Until this happens, there will never be any change on Capital Hill. There are good and bad on both sides of the isle. Instead of voting Republican, or Democrat, let’s vet our individual candidate, and vote for the individual instead or the party. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

    Wayne

    LET’S ALL VOTE ON NOVEMBER 2nd.

    • Leo

      It is VERY doubtful those who decided to promote this community organizer without any useful experience to the presidency did not know that he was not eligible.

      My take, this is exactly why they did it.

  • Leo

    I think it could be a very farsighted move to install a black president at this time of total collapse of the serial bubble economy.
    This is not a garden variety cyclical recession. We have a VERY long road down to fall until we are able to compete with the Asians including salary-wise. And we will do it! It just takes some time.

    According to current data blacks suffered the biggest fall in income.

    But it is more difficult to riot when it would hinder your brother first POTUS for whom you almost certainly voted.
    For whits to riot also does not look nice because it could be interpreted as a manifestation of vulgar racism.

    After the POTUS communist who managed to scare majority of Americans it is MUCH easier to install a realist. And we very much NEED one!

    • Lewis Munn

      Do you mean we hould hire Asians, or Hispanics, to riot for us?

      • Leo

        Yeah, at this point only they have no politically correct agendas that could prevent them from free expressing some righteous indignation.

        It was a good one. :)

  • http://aol nancy says

    I’m not republican or democratic but right now, It is a sad what the democratic party has done, this
    last year. Wake, I believe all the stimulus money, went to other countries.

    I believe demcrats or republican need believe in constitution, Question, sharia law why in AMERICA.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA.

  • http://FarTooMuch.Info Russ Lemon

    In the schools we have lost a generation under the “No Child Left Behind” where those trying to get ahead, were forced to slow down and wait for those who refused to do homework, class work, or even study to ‘catch up’. They have now graduated and expect “No Worker Left Behind”. I use the term “worker” very loosely. Now we have a president following the dream of his father of “No Nation Left Behind”, and has successfully redistributed much of the wealth of the United States to third world nations.

    The concept of “No Spirit Left Behind” has been around since the beginning. Attempts to force us to accept this damning philosophy will continue until the final judgment.

    • Lewis Munn

      I agree. The “No Child Allowed Ahead” was a terrible philosophy, but few educators complained, at least publicly, until our education was in tatters.

      This was I think a tribute to the heavy use of alcohol by those in positions of power! And the willingness of the Sheeple to tolerate the resulting scrambled policies and statements.

  • eddie47d

    Germany sells more to China than we do so their trade deficit is Zero. How sweet! Their CEO pay is 12 to 1 and ours is 350 to 1. American greed is mind boggling!There unemployment is very low and they do this by keeping workers on the workforce even in down times. So they are job ready at all times. They also have Social Security at a 65% rate of payment and ours is only a 39% payout. But no need for pension bailouts in Germany.We love keeping certain segments of America in dire straits and that increases the profits of the wealthy. What a sad way to run a country.

    • Lewis Munn

      Eddie,

      And the trains run on time, too!

    • Lewis Munn

      Eddie,

      Germany also is a small, quite homogenous country. Been in various parts. The have a great historical heritage that they keep up. They also have a firm religious heritage, in most areas, while we have relatively little of either, in comparison.

      Germans, also, have not yet forgotten their long history, their uniting faith, their fall into runaway inflation, and the despotic regime of Hitler. We do not recall our history, seemingly, nor learn from our mistakes. Nor have we experienced a Hitler, quite yet. Nor losing a war with the world against us on all sides. Though we may be working on such now, too!

      You have some real problems drawing parallels between staid Old Germany, and the brash fairly young USA. I recall an older saying: “You can always tell the Irish, you can always tell the Dutch, You can always tell a Yankee, but you cannot tell him much”!

      I do not think drawing a parallel is very accurate. And I suggest you think a little, no, a lot, deeper.

      • eddie47d

        Eric and I were trying to point out that some nations work out quite well.We complain too much on some issues and ignore others. Germany also has a huge immigrant population yet it doesn’t let it drag them down the way we do. We could learn lessons from other countries just like they learn from us. Too many closed minds.

        • libertytrain

          While I agree that we can always learn some things from other countries, I believe if you actually talked with Germans you would learn they have the same feelings about some of their immigrants as we do.

          • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

            Amen. I lived there. Eddie simply has no idea what he is talking about.

        • Craig

          Our LEGAL immigrant population does not drag us down, idiot. It is the ILLEGAL ones that do. Germany does not have an illegal problem anywhere even remotely close to ours.

          • eddie47d

            Put down that mirror mr name caller you might crack it;opps! too late.

  • http://com i41

    Eric Blowoff, are you a poor minority smuck. Every piss ant minority whiner is a welfare special needs slug in their minds like you. When you marxist communist government clowns bitch about mega corporations and high paying CEOs, what bunch of simple minded bastards were creating and dreaming up ways to impede and stifle self suffiency, The National Marxist Democrat Communist Union Party wants every one to only make so much money and government to control every detail in the USA. Find a democrap Congress person or as the President is, who isn’t a multi degreed overeducated smuck. They never worked a real job, produced any thing useful in life, have always lived off of taxpayers! Democraps are going bug house nuts over the Tea Party canidates, I see there are several non degreed business owners running, not like the elitist a$$wipes in Congress and in the WH. There might actually be some real people getting elected. I vote either party if they are non degreed canidates. I have been in unions and the common thread of the members are that they don’t venture from their doorsteps, they cann’t solve a problem if the standard methods doesn’t work, thinking out side the box is impossible for the members. A static method of keeping the same morons in one position for years on end, kills new ideas, 8 years ago Wal-Mart’s head office was told to get new people in managing positions, they kept hiring from within and wanting degreed students to stay working for a life time at Wal-Mart. Problem is these kids have not a clue of real life experience except school, or are able to use other methods of getting the same job done only faster, but the sand box players only have book trained solving methods. When I worked at an machinist shop for a manufacturing firm, it was open shop, even though there was a union, you didn’t have to join. When I learned how to operate a multi purpose milling machine there was a base wage, when I asked if I could get bonus for peice work, after a max number of parts had been turned out using the machines records as a base. In 2 months I had the machine turning out 4 times more parts in the same time frame, a welder assembly station worker teamed up with me, and we had enough machines turned out, that they had machines for over a year, after I left and started another business in an other state. Since the union supervisor who had been there for 20 years wouldn’t let me cross train some one or show what steps I took to speed up production, the company fired several union drag behinds and got rid of the union. When the company asked if I’d come back, the wages were not what I wanted and they eventually down sized from 1000 employees to less than 250. could supply products when needed. That is what should of happened to GM and the overpaid union slugs. I realize USA has a lot of pusified wimps that cann’t negoiate for themselves or have a backbone to play hard ball with company smurfs. Democraps and unions have made it harder for brave indiviuals to try something or get money for new products, unless the government has its crap covered claws in all business.

  • XDM

    Trash was everywhere…..yes and the trash included the speakers, the vendors, and all the union/communist puppets

  • Anthony

    HOw about a remedial re-primer course for the half-educated…

    Go to Google Videos and search for: The Money Masters

    Take Notes…….

    Many here have a convoluted concept of Politics. (not you, S.C.)

    After that, search up: Federal Reserve

    No matter which side you take – we all live in a Money Paradigm.
    That being the case, just where do you figure to get your cut of the action that Wall Street and the Central Bank Zioinsts are cashing in on, now?

    Flashman?
    Eddie?
    Eric Bischoff?

    This goes for all of you, actually. Just where do you figure to get your cut … your percentage? Many here talk about Capitalism being the problem.

    Try reading: HOW CAPITALISM SAVED AMERICA (don’t run from the chance)
    Then…. remember what year you were born in… and review what’s listed.

    One person said CHINA is in the throes of their own Roaring Twenties.
    This means, that at any time now, the Central Bank will pull back the easy money.
    Yes, they do have a Central Bank – have had since Mao was sponsored by one, just like Hitler and Obama/Soetoro….

    I can’t beieve ….. with all the evidence Bob Livingston gives every reader… how many of you STILL buy into the Left-Right Paradigm in politics. Maybe it’s because you can’t stay away from the ASPARTAME… who knows.

    Seriously… wake up and get a grip, already!

    Put up a bulletin board and start cutting out articles like a Detective chasing a serial killer… keep yourselves on point for a change. For cry iy iy….

    • Lewis Munn

      Don’t worry, Anthony.

      Public education has spent 100 years dumbing the nation down and limiting the channels of thought to the PC thoughts only. Everything is under control!

      ***************

      I have found the comments quite interesting: There seems to be a common thread in the success stories.

      My kids have been home schooled, sent to a Protestant Parochial school, and been educated in Public schools also. Including sports. As parents, we have good technical educations, good general college educations, and taken other broadening courses, including in education.

      We both worked in our fields, and encouraged the kids to try lots of different things, including music. We were not rich, but we did talk with the kids, and worked to give them a wider range of exposures. Including fishing and gardening, and making jelly from wild berries, among other things.

      They have all done well for themselves, but they have all complained…they know ever so much wider a vocabulary than their contemporaries. And the contemporaries have been taught to snub those who have rich vocabularies!

      I guess it is the idea of nobody is supposed to go ahead.

      I have however never regretted training up the children as deep and wide as they were willing and able to go, and giving them religious training also, so they know what it is.

      I am glad we released into the world children who knew how to think and how to think their own thoughts. And I am proud of the contributions they are already making to our society.

  • Linda

    You know everyone I was going to respond to Anthonys pathetic post but I’m not. I see that there are alot of wonderful people on here that feel the same way I do and even if they don’t they know how to express their feelings with respect for the rest of us. I don’t have the time or inclination to talk with Anthony who obviously has a limited mentality. As for my two sons they will graduate college in 3 months then on to law school. So just for your information Anthony my sons heads are in the right place and they weren’t taught by schools who wanted to indoctrinate them. I’m sorry everyone. I wasn’t going to do this but wanted to try and educate poor delusional Anthony. But it’s okay Anthony your in good company: Obumma,Reid, Polosi, Boxer, Rangel, Frank and the list goes on. You do know who they are don’t you?

    • Lewis Munn

      Go ahead, Linda. We can all learn, I am sure.

    • Lewis Munn

      Oh, Linda, congratulations on your two sons. I suspect they will, with your backing and training to draw upon, each become that rare bird, an honest lawyer!

      • Linda

        Driven by our Dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ I believe they know how to do the right thing and will. They have a very strong belief system Lewis it’s just ashame you have such a negative view of people and such a negative view of certain groups of people. What is your claim to fame Lewis????? Graduated Kindergarten??

  • http://naver samurai

    Hey everyone! I just heard that a federal court has allowed the 20 states that are taking Obama bin Laden care to be able to take their case to court. The federal judge ruled in their favor and will be able to pursue 2 areas against it.

    1. The federally mandated expansion of medicaid will run states budgets off of the cliff.
    2. The individual mandate requiring people to have healthcare insurance exceeds the federal governments authority, under the commerce clause, to regulate interstate commerce.

    This is a major victory for we patriots and WE THE PEOPLE against the socialist tyrannical policies of Obama bin Laden. We are winning this fight and let’s keep up the pressure. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • DaWitchesBroom

      If the courts are involved, they can decide any way they want which has been mostly liberal for the last 80 years. The higher the court the more liberal the court rulings have been.

    • patrick

      When you say GOD AND COUNTRY you do realize that God said to take care of the poor and weak? I’m a christian and hoping the folks will realize this. Right now this is a group in this country that is under attack. God will not look kindly on this country for turning our backs on the poor and defenceless.

      • http://naver sook young

        I beg your pardon! How is what my husband said worthy of such a remark? We give money to the church, poor, and do what we can to help people. Just because something sounds good doesn’t make it right. If a judge says that there is something really wrong with this insurance thing, who are we to question? How do you help out the poor patrick? My husband and I will even give money to beggars on the street or sometimes stop at Dunkin Doughnuts and give them some coffee. I know that this may not be much, but this is how God and Jesus wanted us to be and not have people rely on government. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • patrick

          I apoligize for offending you. Sounds like you are a good hearted person. I wasn’t directing what I said directly at you, although I know that’s exactly how it sounded. I’m upset at the Repulicans, there’s a disconnect between being a christian and private and being a christian in gov. It seems that they’re as cold hearted as anyone when it comes to that. And you may be giving to people but most churches aren’t. I attend a great church, they haven’t helped me one bit. I’ve received a few boxes of food from one church of which I’m very thankful but in my area, there’s no help. My church has a huge food drive but I live in the next county and can’t get food from the organization they give to. So all these that think people will help, they don’t. Folks that have fallen thru this time need help until it passes. Not just for me, there are millions.
          There are other issues that would normally be a priority for Republicans but not this election. Perhaps if you take God out of it, even in crisis, its not gonna work anyway. Neither party can fix this without God’s help.
          Again, sorry to offen. Nothing wrong with you saying God and Country, I just want people not to loose that connect.

          • http://naver sook young

            That’s OK Patrick. I guess I should think more before typing something. We understand what you are saying, now. No apology needed for a little misunderstanding. Have a good weekend! Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • http://www.ladybugcreations.com Jam

    I have read so many posts here tonight, some I agree with and others I do not. My point is the words can go on forever, so why not put action behind them instead. By this I mean, why not figure out a way to have write-in when we vote, such as: 1- Demanding limited terms for all who get voted in (like 2 terms). 2- Doing away with the Federal Reserve. 3- 12% tax across the board for EVERYONE (no exceptions.) 4- Demand that the borders be secured. 5- Outlaw all who lobby.
    6- Strip representative of all benefits once they leave office. 7- Lower the taxes for businesses so they are equal with others world wide. 8- Clean up the health and welfare programs.

    If we achieve all or even a few of the above, we would at least be headed in the right direction. But unless we can change some of the rules and can vote on them, we will never make changes.

    • DaWitchesBroom

      Nice ideas. But, your ideas have entrenched counter parties that will fight like they were going into slavery to prevent each idea from becoming reality. They have the numbers now. Numbers rule in a Democracy. Sorry.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    As a personally belief I have always tried to value the equality of everyone. I feel a person who works deserves to have a say. I personally think highly of Unions. I certainly dont want Unions to have to much power, just as I dont want corporations to have to much power. I am a Social Democrat. I support moderate socialist policies to reform Capitilism to make it more fair and equal for all. I am certainly not a communist though technically I am a socialist. I certainly love capitilism since I like money as most people do. But sometimes to little government involvment allows corporations and the rich to take advantage of their workers and those who dont have the same resources. For instance Mr Ringer you pointed to a headline that said Public Education is a birthright not a corporate profit in a way that made it seem like public education was a bad thing. People trying to better themselves through education isnt class warfare, its people trying to better themselves. I guess my view is people wanting better wages and working conditions arent engaging in class warfare. I believe they want more equality and liberty in the workplace. I disagree with getting rid of capitilism but I wont deny I feel capitilism without enough restraint was a major factor in causing this recession.

    • DaWitchesBroom

      Yep, everyone is equal in one way. At some point in time, they embrace some outlandish idea about the betterment of their fellow man through group action rather than just leaving him alone. Formost amoung those ideas is the “we are all equals” mantra. None worse. Tell me one situation where that fellow traveler of communism will work. Equalartarism is the and the search for fairness are the beginning of a sad end.

      Union. A name for a pipe fitting and gang like extortion of centers of wealth. JL have a few thoughts on this predicament. You have just invested 25M in a new plant and borrowed the same. As your workforce stabilizes, the plant is making money and the workers decide to do a few union tactics on you. They want more money across all pay levels, more benefits, and less time at work. These perks will come from profits or cause higher prices for the product. Also, you have the problem of being put in a position of not being able to repay your lenders if union demands get too high. You might say no union would do this because they would all loose their jobs. GM’s workers did this. Many other corps were forced into the decision of being manufacturers of american made goods or just branders of overseas products by efforts by workers to get more and more pay.

      Now, we have very low interest rates being paid on deposites by the financial institutions. Savings are low because the return is low. Money is also loosing value against staples. Banks are borrowing from the government and using the money against the citizens by making speculations against the US economy. The situation was brought on by an attempt to make everyone moderatly well off. When ones own merits did not raise him inflationary policies would. An individual can have all that is required to make a fortune and just not have any such luck. The socialist wants a floor to disaster. However, the floor has been rising to meet the roof. A squeeze occurrs.

      Investment in US business by US money has been dropping for years. Unions have turned to the service economy for members. Teacher’s unions are a cancer on a cancer. If you do not see the circle that goes nowhere and provides real gain for no body, no need to try to see the larger view. Stick to your heartfelt convictions.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Dawitches broom: You make a very good point. The best response I can think of goes back to your example of me as a buisness owner. If a Union resorts to greed and makes unreasonable demands that place the welfare of the company and its employees in jeopardy then that Union is no longer in the right. However just because we must limit the powers of Unions dosent make them inherently bad. After all without Unions workers would have little protection from bosses who place the value of profits from their products and their lenders above that of the workers and consumers. As to the cause of the recession I partially agree. The primary motivation was to help everyone get wealthy. I like to think all economic systems-capitilist, socialist and communist want that. The problem in my view happened when a few greedy bankers, corporate executives, lobbyists, congressmen, perhaps even our former president became so caught up in their own wealth and the desire to become more wealthy that they decided to ignore others and bet other peoples money without their knowledge or without letting them know the whole story. Your right that we need more investments to get our economy strong again but we have to make sure corporations cant lie to us and tell us their stocks are worth something when in fact they’re not.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      You will make the most positive impact by developing yourself instead of controlling others.

  • Craig

    “Capitilism to make it more fair and equal for all.”

    Capitalism is the most equal and fair system there is. It is only when we let the liberal scum change it that is get less fair and less equal.
    Shoot the liberals and things will be equal and fair again.

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Craig,your right that Capitilism is very fair and equal. The problem is when there are no rules or regulations. No government overcite to prevent the rich from taking advantage of the less rich. Please bear in mind that many liberals speak out against Capitilism’s inequalities, not capitilism itself. They only want people to have to pay their fair share but they want everyone to have some say. A game with no rules is not a fair game. A few more rules and a little more regulation on how we spend our money seems fairly reasonable given the circumstances.

  • Joe Fedup

    It seems to me that it is no longer left or right, Republican or Democrat, etc., It is how much money can I make while I am in office. Things in government are so corrupt now, that even a good man/politician can not make any kind of change or impact, for if he tried, he would surly be assassinated. Everything flows with the money, what ever the elite rich around the world (yes I said around the world) want they will get.

    There are only two things in history that make real change when a government becomes as corrupt as, “we the people” have let it.

    1) Of course the first is money, and this obviously needs no
    explanation.

    2) The second is violence, and this to needs no explanation.

    Just look up history, for the clarification of both, if needed

    I think that the only way to fix our country now, is to throw out this extremely immoral and greedy…if you can call it an government now. And I mean everyone of them, and start all over again.

    As all of you should know, it says in the constitution that,

    “we the people” have the right to through out a corrupt government and replace it with a new one.
    If you have not read the Constitution, I strongly urge that you do.

    I am new to this site, so forgive me if you already know this. But we do need to do something, such as march on Capitol Hill, and demand they step down, and take their ill gotten booty from them too,
    then start all over again.

    I do not believe that elections mean anything anymore (but I still vote). And I truly want my children and grandchildren to have faith in the voting system as I once did. If we continue to sit back and do nothing, the problem is definitely not going to fix it’s self.

  • chuck b

    joe fedup

    you are so right. i think the country has gone too far down the socialist road and too many people seeking to feed off the government teat. there’s nothing that convinces me that will change. the illegals have saturated the country and they believe in socialism and our politicians are promising them anything for their vote.
    the unions with their greed have given the manufacturing companies the excuse to move their operations out of the country, the politicians with nafta sealed the deal. they have lots of political robots marching to their tune with the maestro barry soetoro leading them. there is a large number of people so inclined to go along with the socialist crowd i don’t think we can change this course even if the repubs win back congress, they have always compromised the country back to the the socialist side when it gets right down to the nitty gritty. so you may be right, the people are going to be forced to remove the crooks by demand not by vote.

    • patrick

      You left out all those Americans that need food. What are you gonna do about that? I think the latest # is 14.5 million out of work. Do you think they can just “poof” have food and shelter until this gets straightened out. Not entitlement, we could use a little compassion from our fellow man.

    • Karolyn

      “The illegals have saturated the country.” More propaganda. Sure, maybe in a few border states there are more of them, but I would call “saturation” inapplicable. FYI – Just heard the stats this morning about the division of the population, and contrary to what many think, caucasians still FAR outnumber hispanics and African-Americans. I didn’t write down the numbers. I have heard alarmists saying that caucasians will be in the minority very soon. Just another ploy to get American ire up against Hispanics.

      • libertytrain

        It’s funny Time Magazine had a front cover and article based on what the majority of Americans would look like in something like 30 or 40 years – mostly Hispanic features – The article ran sometime between 1990 and 1996 -

    • Eric Bischoff

      Wrong again. You can’t call bailing out bankers Socialism, it’s Fascism.

  • patrick

    To all you people who are picking me apart rather than dealing with the bigger picture:
    I’m not drawing on anything right now, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I was on unemployment til it ran out. That was my situation, unemployed. I will be going very soon for Food Stamps and welfare if I can’t find a job in a week or so. There are many regulations on UI more so than the other things. It should be extended to help these folks.

    It someone is on the take, it should be policed. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t have these programs for those who need them. You’re mad at the wrong people.

    It’s polically correct to say Radical Muslem rather than Muslem. Look what happened to Bill Orielly yesterday. It’s ashamed that it’s totally acceptable to lump all unemployed and poor into one mold. I’m hoping to raise some awareness to this. I expect until it hits YOUR dinner table, you won’t care.

    The republicans need to realize that other republicans are in this situation and you’ve deserted them. Writing them off as a liberal.
    God’s gonna judge this country for how your treating these people.

    • Karolyn

      Good post, Patrick. Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. I make no apologies for receiving Food Stamps and a Pell Grant to go to school. As far as my Social Security goes, I worked all my life. I am already using my education to help others in a job I got with the government through AmeriCorps, which pays volunteers living expenses each month for 10 months, during which time the volunteers, while helping the nonprofit they work for, also learn and help others. It is a great program, and I am proud to have been chosen to participate. Yes, there should be a closer watch to find those who take advantage of the programs. However, when it comes to kids, how can anyone say “Starve because your mother is a whore.”?

    • libertytrain

      patrick – you felt the need to run this same comment twice, so I will answer it twice:
      Watching the replay of the “View” only showed that a couple of women were very unprofessional and much to Barbara Walters credit she expressed the same opinion to the viewers of that “show” that the women were indeed unprofessional

      • patrick

        The reason I posted it twice what that I had intended to post it at the bottom so it would get lost. I mean what I say.

        And I’ll say this twice, you only saw what you wanted to if that was what you saw. MORE OUT OF TOUCH REPUBLICANS

        • libertytrain

          How funny you are – I saw what Barbara Walters said —-did you?

          • patrick

            I watched from beginning to end. The difference in you and I is that I look at things with clear view, you look at it to get your point of view satisfied and then walk away thinking what you want. Even on O’reilly tonight they were talking about the same thing that you are wanting so much to waste time arguing about. You just want to argue to change the subject and to discredit. That’s a tactic thats being used now that’s getting more and more transparent.

            This selective listening is what concerns me now about Republicans. There are good ones out that that aren’t really hearing and understanding the corruption that their party is getting into. This is not the party of old. If they could clearly see the direction it was going you would be loosing even more votes. You’re riding a wave of anti Obama. It’s just what you’re embrassing may hurt things even worse.

            Greed is an ugly thing. The bible warns against it. The christian conservative needs to check the politicals views with the bible and see how far off they’ve gotten.

  • truesoy

    Hey guys, I have a suggestion. Why stop at going back to medieval times? Lets do one better since government is at the root of the problem you say, then we should reduce it to the bone, just big enough to protect the interest of the selected few and to fight wars. Or even better, since the smaller the better, lets get rid off it. Other countries have done it. Think Somalia. Though they remained very religious; thought you like to know.
    So, there you have it, feudalism or anarchy. It’s your choice.
    Ps.- Though the reality is that you are only against big government for the things you don’t want the government to do, while you are for big government for the things you want. But you can’t have it both ways. Remember that Bush increased the size of government beyond anyone’s imagination and you all went along with it, without a peep out of you!

  • Wayne

    This is an interesting piece of information:
    When you are a phoney it’s hard to keep facts straight.

    Big surprise!!!

    Former Constitutional Law Lecturer and US President Makes Up

    Constitutional Quotes During “State Of The Union ” (SOTU) Address.

    Consider this:

    1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review,

    is no longer a “lawyer”. He surrendered his license back in 2008 in order

    to escape charges he lied on his bar application.

    https://www.iardc.org

    Stands for Illinois Attorney Registration And Disciplinary Committee. It’s

    the official arm of lawyer discipline in Illinois .

    A “Voluntary Surrender” is not something where you decide “Gee, a license

    is not really something I need anymore, is it?” and forget to renew your

    license. No, a “Voluntary Surrender” is something you do when you’ve

    been accused of something, and you ‘voluntarily surrender” your license

    five seconds before the state suspends you.

    2. Michelle Obama “voluntarily surrendered” her law license in 1993.

    3. So, we have the first black President and First Lady — who don’t

    actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.

    Source: jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/pres-barack-obama-editor-of-the-Harvard-law-review-has-no-law-license/

    4 A senior lecturer is one thing… A fully ranked law professor is another.

    Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University

    of Chicago .

    5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) “served as a professor” in the law

    school—but

    that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a

    spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

    6. “He did not hold the title of professor of law,” said Marsha Ferziger

    Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at

    the University of Chicago School of Law .

    Source:blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html%A0%A0

    9. Free Republic: In the State of the Union Address, President Obama

    said: “We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise

    enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal….

    10. Um, wrong citing,

    wrong founding document there Champ, I mean

    Mr. President. By the way, the promises are not a notion, our founders

    named them unalienable rights. The document is our Declaration of

    Independence and it reads:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,

    that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

    that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    11. And this is the same guy who lectured the Supreme Court moments

    later in the same speech?

    When you are a phoney it’s hard to keep facts straight.

    • Big D

      I could not agree more . He is very good at telling stories and 1/2 truths.I think we should put ALL politicians on social security for retirement and the same medical system that is serving us and make them pay for it as we do . They are not special . I have more respect for those that served in our military than most crooked politicians who are out for themselves .

      • patrick

        You’ve got that right, both parties.

  • Karolyn

    Regarding the Obama’s inactivation of their law licenses, I foundthis post written by a lawyer on an “answers” type site. It is a very logical explanation. Why would they not inactivate their licenses if they were no longer going to practice? And they could activate them at a later date quite easily.

    Her license was never ‘revoked’. She volunatrily put it in ‘inactive’ status because she was not practicing law. In Illinois, an attorney who voluntarily puts their license in an ‘inactive’ status requires a court order to cancel malpractice insurance, annual licensing fees and the continuing education credits otherwise required by law.

    I hold licenses to practice my profession in several states. In two of those states my licenses are ‘inactive’. I’m not practicing in those states but may do so in the future. Inactivating my licenses, rather than just have them lapse will make the reinstating process less cumbersom. In addition, it’s quite expensive to keep a license active. For professionals who are required to have licenses and who are not currently working in said profession or in a particular state this is a common practice

    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/773018-first-ladys-law-license.html#ixzz12WqF9kGt

  • chuck b

    karolyn
    read more:
    so what! the answere there are hyperthetical. that’s the problem with that jerk in the white house, everything about him is controversial, so i would say a lot of it is true, there’s too much for all of it to be false. the democratic party could clear a lot of these actuations up by producing certified records. at this point i don’t think they can produce anything but controversy

    • Karolyn

      Well, Chuck, it could just be that they think it unnecessary to even give attention to any of the allegations because they believe them to be false. I think that would be Obama’s reasoning. I know that if I know that I’m right about something or I know something is absolutely true, I do not defend myself against naysayers. Of course, you would argue that this is a whole different situation, being the President. However, can you think of any President who has had to defend himself on allegations? I can’t. Also, I just cannot imagine that he would even run if he had so many skeletons in his closet. Come on, the guy is not dumb!

    • Karolyn

      But who started the controversy? People like Rush Limbaugh for his own pocketbook.

  • http://none Jeff Hanks

    What about the several trillion dollars given to banks on wall street that were too big to fail. None of that has changed. America is still being sold its money supply from a rich banking cartel. It is not 33% of americans but more like most of americans that were given the shaft by big business. Einstein was in a union. Obviously he was not stupid. Any article put out that says the left is all bad need only watch as the elite use money and power to screw the rest of us over. Try living on minimum wage for a year and you can see some of the real life issues people deal with. Let’s hope you don’t get what you want but if you do there may be a big backlash where people rise and rise again until lions become lambs. Markets need to have regulations. The federal reserve need to be publicly owned as well. They pretty much have a monopoly and since they are not transparent they will continue to screw all but the wealthiest americans. You just want people to be quiet and accept the whims of the powers that be. No health care for the poor unless they can afford it. No safe decent jobs. No voice for the poor. It is ok for the banks to get billions but God forbid if you give a young black man a job or a handout. The havenots and the middle class built the U.S. and for him to say they don’t matter and are just advocating class warfare is so ignorant. I hope he is in for a rude awakening.

  • chuck b

    karolyn

    he may not be dumb in your estimation, in my view he’s nothing more than a con man. his color gets him more adulation than his ability. the man speaks good while reading off the teleprompter and that’s where the conversation ends. you may be beguiled by him, i have little respect for him for the simple reason he is not a true patriot nor is his wife.
    and i certainly don’t like his socialist agenda. every past president’s life was an open book, where’s barry’s records???

    • Karolyn

      I was sold on Obama after I heard his speech at the Domacratic National Convention in ’03 was it? Very inpressive; and despite what you all believe, I believe he is a principled man who really does want to change things and better the country. It seems that all this hate business is the by-product of the usual politics and big business – big business as in the media – Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh making money off it. Business as usual doesn’t cut it anymore. The US has to keep up with the rest of the world. Virtually nobody who comes into the President’s office is able to do what they promised to do because of politics and the way Washington runs.

      • Karolyn

        Oops! I did mean “democratic”!

      • THIRD PARTY

        OBAMA IS THE MOST UNDER QUALIFIED PRESIDENT IN HISTORY,FACT:AS A SO CALLED CONSTITUTION LAWYER,NOT ONE CASE WAS TRIED,NEVER HELD A W2 TAX FORM,KISSINGER HIRED HIM UNDER A DUMMY CORP,GAVE LEGAL ADVICE TO ACORN FOR YEARS,WORKED AT A BASKIN ROBINS IN 1975 UNDER A FAKE SS # LISTED UNDER THE STATE OF CT.

        • Karolyn

          I’d be curious to hear where your facts come from.

  • Rose

    Just love it when you all call each other names so you must all be really liberals in sheep’s clothing. I am not a right-winger, nor a super conservative. I am an American who has lived under socialsm and my spouse escaped communism. What we see here is Obama, his cabal and whoever is pulling his strings are trying to bring this country down and into communism or some other “ism”. If you spend your time calling each other names, then we are not going to keep America and our values and laws. Yes, our education under federal guidance is the pits, so home school or get out there and change things. Yes, we have lazy people who want someone else to take care of them and tht has to stop. A working mother off welfare needs support, but not someone else who spawns every year for more of my money. I am not rich; I have worked for everything I have and I expect the same of everyone else. Let’s get back to American-made quality items, get back to ethics and morals, and golly gee, I bet we get what we truly want: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Nevertheless, the first thing is to pull together, vote as many out of office as we can on 11/2 and again in 2012. Use our heads, not our butts!

    • Karolyn

      unfortunately, I don’t think there’s any turning back. The US can’t suddenly become isolationist.

  • chuck b

    karolyn

    you of the liberal persuasive are hoping for change, your messiah is promising that. now tell what do you expect to change? what has he changed other than taking more of your liberties away. he is spending this country into bankruptcy, is in the process of destroying the best medical system in the world, by rewritting the health care law, a bill he and most of the democratic congress have no idea what’s in it, however, they do know there’s tons of new tax. trying to sell you on fantasy energy such as solar and wind and it will take years if ever to make this type of energy affordable and they have been trying for years and so far it’s nothing more than a conservationist dream. so how do think we will compete in the world? we need oil and will for many many years to come and so far your president is doing everything possible to refrain us from obtaining the huge deposits we have available in this country, so it’s obvious to me he is trying to turn this country into a third world nation and he’s well on his way.
    i see him as a race activist (kill whitey) and at the same time he himself is being used by powers of big business (george soros, peter lewis) both communist and two of the most wealthy people on earth. so you talk about big business, if i were you i would take a long hard look their way.

    • Karolyn

      Where on earth did you get the impression that the President wants to “kill whitey.” That’s ridiculous. He’s half white and was raised by his white grandparents. Conservation must be addressed. It’s taken far too long because of big business. We are ruining the Earth, and nothing we do will change that, but we can take steps to impede the ruination. There are also people who are for the healthcare law. I don’t know that much about it, but I’m sure not worrying about it.

      • Big D

        Unless your a politician on the GOLDEN FLEECE plan , you had better worry about it .

      • FireMall

        Karolyn

        Ok , Now that you admit that you haven’t a clue what’s in the Healthcare Bill , Please explain to the folks here that DO Know what’s in the HC Law how it is Not a Socialistic tactic [as “O” calls his agenda } .
        IMO, You need to read some world history before coming on here and revising the History that You never read to begin with.
        Just as you haven’t read the Healthcare bill but simply take the word of a Used Car salesman that the car is what “HE” says it is.
        In other words, THINK / LEARN FOR YOURSELF , Before telling others what to think & How to Live .
        BTW: I believe you mentioned receiving food stamps & Entitlement benefits, then say you have a Dot Gov Sponsored job. I suggest you clear up the obvious questions some here have about this if you expect to have some degree of Respect in lieu of being labeled as Just one more Liberal Hypocrite that thinks Dot Gov paid for your entitlements , schooling & Job , food & housing.
        Then again, I will not expect any more from your side than exactly the same reactions as Whoopie & ? Joy ?, when faced with the cold hard facts about Muslims & 9/11.

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair

    Over all, I would say that the American people on the whole have abicated from their obligations as citizens in return for food stamps, “free” education, entitlements based upon whether or not one simply has a heartbeat or not, and a quite effective “dumbing down” of the American consumer, at least since 1913 (reference to both the Federal Reserve system and the 16th Amendment to the US Constitution that lead to our present tax code and the IRS).

    We have exactly the kind of government we deserve for letting down our guard as we permitted congress to continually violate the US Constitution. I am ashamed of what America is becoming, but I am also just as liable for my own failure to stand up and “Just Say No To Organized Crime” on Wall Street, our banking system and to the federal government. I furthermore beg foregiveness from the future generations that will suffer as Americans because my generation failed to be responsible in the selection of the low-life self-centered socialists people we have permitted to govern us.

    Respectfully submitted,

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair

    I meant “abdicated”

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