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The Blind Archer

December 29, 2011 by  

The Blind Archer

From time to time, liberals manage to stumble onto the proper course of action; although their discoveries routinely fall into the “fire enough arrows and you’ll eventually hit a tree” department. Witness Federal Judge John Bates’ decision to turn back a challenge to section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Section 5 requires Department of Justice “preclearance” before any changes can be made to “any voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure with respect to voting” in any “covered jurisdiction.” That means no one in any place dominated by the Democrats back in 1965 can update or modernize their voting regulations without a note from the guys who work for Eric Holder. The challenge was brought to the court as a result of the decision by the Department of Justice to reject a plan by the city of Kinston, N.C., to eliminate party affiliation from their ballots. When the people of Kinston agreed to force voters to learn something substantive about office-seekers, the Justice Department disallowed their plan, suggesting racism was a factor: “The elimination of party affiliation on the ballot will likely reduce the ability of blacks to elect candidates of choice.”

The Justice Department was hardly alone in offering protection to our evidently hapless and helpless African-American brethren. The American Civil Liberties Union — on behalf of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People — predictably raced in to oppose the Kinston nonpartisan ballot referendum. A far-left group that pushes a super-liberal agenda through activist courts uniting with a racist hate group is raised-eyebrow-worthy on its own. The same pair colluding over electoral politics should set off any alarm in range. In the case of the Kinston measure, the liberals have accidentally granted us a glimpse of their real beliefs while doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

At best, the ACLU, NAACP and the bureaucrats who denied the people of Kinston’s right to hold free and fair elections are suggesting that black people are uninformed, ignorant rubes whose minds — and, thus, votes — are as easily corralled as slow-witted bovines. At worst, they’re suggesting black people are literally subnormal; so stupid that they will freeze like headlight-stunned deer if confronted with a ballot that doesn’t identify the contenders with simple, one-letter labels. Either way, the fact that liberals think either one or the other reveals the essential racist elitism that lies at the core of their darkened hearts.

In the interest of full disclosure, I despise non-partisan elections, mostly because I think candidates ought to have to wear their party affiliation like electoral Hester Prynnes. I’m also well aware that simply examining party affiliation is no substitute for actually gathering worthwhile information about those who hope to serve me in a political capacity. Furthermore, I possess limited respect for ignorant voters who rely exclusively on the letter next to the candidates’ names to determine which chad they’re going to hang on the ballot. Beyond knowing that “D” stands for “Don’t vote for this clown, Dummy,” party affiliation is hardly the total tale of the tape when it comes to determining whether an aspiring officeholder has earned your vote. And the Act’s Section 5 not only has outlived its usefulness, but it has deformed into a tool with which the Federal Government and the nanny-staters are actively intimidating Americans. No one in Kinston was suggesting a return to the poll taxes or literacy tests of the Jim Crow era. There are no restrictions on non-felonious citizens casting their ballots. In some Democrat-leaning locales, even the felons and the deceased can vote — twice.

It is worth noting that Bates was appointed to the Federal bench by Republican President George W. Bush, a jarring reminder that there is no shortage of Republicans for whom I would be more hard-pressed to pull the proverbial lever than most of the bottom-feeders masquerading as Democrats these days. But it’s my responsibility to know whether anyone deserves my vote. God save me if I ever become so disconnected from civic awareness that I require a “D” or an “R” to shepherd me through the voting process. And, if any confederacy of hate groups, bureaucrats and lawyers ever mistakes me for someone who does, God save them.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • s c

    Is it TRUE that North Carolina is one of those states where the ‘D’ herd has no way of making it a predominantly ‘D’ state? If that is the case, then THAT is why the #2 criminal – Holder – is flexing his wimp, prostituted muscles.
    Does anybody still need a reason why the ACLU is NOT to be trusted? An old maxim says that an individual or group that divides goals between good and evil will slide toward evil. Is this not a fitting way to describe the ACLU [and most politicians]?
    What happened to people who have the power to stand up to evil? Since when do people have to justify doing good deeds? It is NOT enough that laws get passed, people. There are GOOD laws and there are BAD laws. Anyone who doesn’t know the difference has already chosen sides. And the chief culprit is (like you didn’t already know) our effing federal government.
    Add to that, people who serve it as titular high priests (elected and appointed). A perfect storm doesn’t always refer to ‘weather,’ folks. Are you thinking, or do you merely exist? One makes you a good citizen. The other makes you a willing slave.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “There are GOOD laws and there are BAD laws. Anyone who doesn’t know the difference has already chosen sides. ”

      And anyone who doesn’t understand the requirements to save electricity and attacks only a small part of it (CFLs)) has no idea of what the reall issues are either.

      But then it’s nice to know clearly that the extreme right is against conserving electricity. More for the 1% oil thieves.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        “But then it’s nice to know clearly that the extreme right is against conserving electricity. More for the 1% oil thieves.”

        ….as it is nice to know clearly that the leftists are against conserving trillions of taxpayer dollars. More for the 1% politicians and their crony corporatists.

      • JB

        Typical nitwit blaming and finger pointing, Rob – - labels and “partyists” are fools looking for some cult to agree with

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        Who are we conserving the Energy for?
        And why do we have to do it your way?
        You can’t even figure out that wasting our financial and natural resources, for inefficient energy, is actually diminishing our future, and yet you want to make our choices?

        • Robert Smith

          Hello DaveH,

          You ask: “Who are we conserving the Energy for?”

          Ourselves so we don’t have to worry about importing energy.

          And again DaveH asks: “And why do we have to do it your way?”

          It isn’t “my” way. “The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (the “Energy Bill”), signed by President George W. Bush on December 18, 2007 is an energy policy intended to make better use of our resources and help the United States become energy independent. The law provides important benefits to consumers, industry, our country and our environment.”

          BTW, that’s from: http://www.energystar.gov/ia/products/lighting/cfls/downloads/EISA_Backgrounder_FINAL_4-11_EPA.pdf

          Obama had little to do with the origins of the bill. And! It was the Republicans who gutted it by not voting money to enforce it.

          What it means (again from the same place): “Under the new law, screw-based light bulbs will use fewer watts for a similar lumen output. The standards are technology neutral, which means any type of bulb can be sold as long as it meets the efficiency requirements.”

          Further: “The second part of the law requires that most light bulbs be 60-70% more efficient than the standard incandescent today; this will go into effect in 2020. Many compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs) and many Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) can meet this requirement today, shaving energy usage compared to standard incandescents by 75%.”

          IOW, CFL bulbs are not the ONLY way to meet the standards today.

          And further asked: “You can’t even figure out that wasting our financial and natural resources, for inefficient energy, is actually diminishing our future, and yet you want to make our choices?”

          I have no idea what you are talking about in that. I support nuclear energy along, wind, solar, and other alternatives like natural gas.

          Rob

          • Lee

            Robert, just don’t drop one of those new bulbs. You will need haz-mat (sp?) to clean it up! Talk about bad for the environment!

          • libertytrain

            Unless something has changed in the last few months, and it may have, just flipping a light on and then off quickly, like when looking in a closet, creates no energy savings compared the good old-fashioned kind. In order for those bulbs to save energy, they need to be left on.

          • DaveH

            Yes, your way, Robert, or do you just not get the concept that you elect those pushy controlling politicians with your votes?
            Also, your comment indicated clearly that you support them in that effort.
            And why do you want to avoid buying oil from foreigners? I’m going to assume it’s because you think it’s too expensive. So tell me, how do you accomplish that goal of Cheaper energy by throwing money away on inefficient alternative energies? And that’s money that isn’t yours to throw away. You can invest in their putsy alternative energies any time you want, Robert. You don’t need to vote to spend other peoples’ money.
            Here’s some common sense which I don’t expect Robert to read, but other readers can learn from it:
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-280.html

          • DaveH

            The truth is that certain Crony Capitalists are benefiting from the alternative energy scam, and the rest of us are paying the bill. It’s just wealth redistribution from us to the people Robert loves to hate. Apparently Robert isn’t educated enough to grasp that reality. Or is he a propagandist working for them?

          • DaveH

            One rule of thumb that applies to alternative energies as well as many other fields that Big Government meddles in is this:
            If a choice is indeed desirable to society, people will make that choice on the open market. If a choice is not desirable, people won’t choose it. That’s where the Government steps in, backed by pushy controlling Liberals like Robert, and Forces us to do things we don’t desire.

          • Jaime Dub C

            My CFL’s go to the landfill when burnt out. Is that wrong?

          • Robert Smith

            From Lee: “Robert, just don’t drop one of those new bulbs. You will need haz-mat (sp?) to clean it up! Talk about bad for the environment!”

            An outright falsehood.

            Go to: http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf

            At that energystar website it is easy to see that the mercury released from the coal being burned for an incandecant bulb is far higher than that contained in a CFL including both content and the coal burned to power it.

            IOW, if you are worried about mercury in the environment CFLs are a far safer bet.

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            for something they consider so minor (and that is stated in my link as well) they sure have INTENSE protocol for recommended clean-up :) http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup-detailed.html

      • JimH

        Rob, I consider myself to be conservative. I also try to conserve electricity. Why? Lower electcric bill.
        It might be the companies that supply our electric use nuclear and coal. If they used oil I would have to plug in everything in the house and watch that meter spin.(sarcasm)
        As far as liberals getting something right in a rare occurance, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

        • s c

          Thanks for being so polite, JimH. At my age, it’s more efficient to view a skunk as a skunk. It amazes me how much some two-legged skunks take offense to the idea. Actually, it’s the four-legged variety that should be offended by the two-legged variety. The real, four-leged variety knows when to turn off the stench. The two-legged variety confuses that stench with high-priced perfume or rare orchids.

          • JimH

            sc, I just wish my dog wasn’t so good at finding the four legged ones.
            Pew.

          • firefight

            You’ve posted well this morning. Thanks for your insights and good words. Then there’s Robert Smith who has somehow become the electrical conservationist’s Guru. Where did he and that come from? As a dedicated American, leaning to the right always, I do everything I can to save on my personal power bill. Not because I look at electricity as I do my water which comes from a well, and could, more realistically, run dry, but because I’m concerned about my budget and how I use my dollars. With electricity, we have little electrons running up and down a wire and they make a little wheel spin in my electric meter which tells the energy company how much of their little electrons I have used and thus how much to charge me for that use. I can use my dollars for other things if I don’t use too much of their electrons. Makes good sense. As for my water well, however, turning off the water while brushing my teeth, soaping myself up in the shower or washing my hands helps to make sure the water level in my well stays healthy and I will have more water for tomorrow. That gets really personal. Maybe Rob should have a water well to write about as I do. LOL

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith is a mind-numbed Progressive true believer, to the point where he’s incorporated every part of the Leftist insane non-rationale and has the talking points down.

            There are some who are just too far gone to take seriously. This joker is one of them.

      • http://heisco.net Patriot II

        Robert:

        “CFL”? , Canadian Football League, 3 Downs, 110 Yard field, Air Game more exciting to watch!

        • JeffH

          :)

  • Mdeva

    Claptrap.

  • No fool

    Yes, I see dumb people and they are everywhere. Regardless of their color, dumb people and those who collect federal assistance / aid (who will vote for more free aid) should not be allowed to vote to begin with. Voters ideally need to pay taxes and be land owners. Otherwise it truly is a conflict of interest. Dumb people put Obama into office.

    • Robert Smith

      From Mr. fool: “Voters ideally need to pay taxes and be land owners.”

      That’s NOT what the Founding Fathers said.

      Rob

      • http://Personalliberty Tony

        To Rob:
        Right on!!

        • DaveH

          Birds of a feather flock together.
          See my reply to Robert.

      • Vigilant

        Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the Founders said, Rob.

        I don’t recall that they said much of anything about voter requirements, leaving that process up to the states.

        • eddie47d

          So why is the author attacking the voter process then? This author has proven himself to be the bottom feeder with this nonsense. How would a Libertarian ever get elected if the L isn’t in front of their name. Some voters would just vote for the first name an ignore anyone at the bottom of the list. That is usually the Constitution Party and the Libertarian party. Ben may be shooting himself in the foot on this one.

          • Vigilant

            “So why is the author attacking the voter process then?”

            I suspect because the Feds have no business inserting their racist bias into the election rules of the states. This is clearly not motivated by DOJ’s sudden enlightenment about the Constitution, but by a purely political motive to find another way to maximize votes for Democrats and minimize votes for the Republicans.

          • independant thinker

            eddie I don’t know about your state but in mine the ballot order is determined by a random drawing. I have seen the democrat, republican, green party, and others at the top of the ballot and either the democrat or republican almost always wins.

          • eddie47d

            I think you are too obsessed with racism Vigilant.

          • Vigilant

            Not at all, sonny. It’s the Libs that have that particular moral squint.

        • No fool

          At the time of the writing of the Constitution, only male land owners were permitted to vote. Liberals, say that although that may have been acceptable in society when the Constitution was written, it is unacceptable today.

          The liberals purely gave the farm away for every irresponsible moron to vote, including those who receive a free income, from those who actually earn an income and pay taxes.

      • Greg T

        Actually Robert you are wrong about history.

        From John Adams,
        Depend upon it, Sir, it is dangerous to open so fruitful a source of controversy and altercation as would be opened by attempting to alter the qualifications of voters; there will be no end to it. New claims will arise; women will demand the vote; lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to; and every man who has not a farthing, will demand an equal voice with any other, in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions, and prostrate all ranks to one common level.

        • eddie47d

          Obviously John Adams didn’t get it right either.

          • Greg T

            You’d prefer Karl Marx instead?

          • eddie47d

            Didn’t say that now did I. I was mainly referring to the women vote so think before you speak.

          • Greg T

            So women are “it”s now…hmmmm

          • eddie47d

            You’re a loony.

          • Greg T

            Eddie you got into a discussion between someone else and didn’t follow what was being discussed. Then you used a broad term that could have meant almost anything.

            In my original reply, I simply stated that Robert was wrong about the founding fathers. I made no attempt to say if I agreed with the opinion or not.

            Not sure why you felt the need to interject yourself, and rather poorly at that.

      • JB

        Rob, the founding fathers believed in small gov’t – in service to taxpayers – - not what we’ve got today.

      • DaveH

        Robert, remember the saying “Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”?
        http://www.ehow.com/info_8314121_property-requirements-voting-early-america.html

        I’m somewhere in between on the voting issue. I think people who don’t pay a certain net amount of taxes (total taxes – total receipts) to the Federal Government shouldn’t be allowed to vote in Federal Elections, etc.
        But the Genie’s out of the bottle and I doubt we can ever put her back.

        If I had my way, every adult would be liable for the same Federal taxes, and those who couldn’t cut the check would be the ones who jumped through the paperwork hoops to explain why they couldn’t pay. The rest of us would just cut the check to the Feds and be done with it. You can bet Government would shrink dramatically almost overnight if all the voters had the same skin in the game. You can bet they’d vote for much more efficient Government when their own money was at stake. And finally, for those very reasons, you can bet that Big Government would fight tooth and nail against that kind of tax system.

        • fedup

          Flat tax. Every one pays the same amount of their income, say like 3%, if I make 30,000 in a year, I would pay 300. just as an example. It would remove the IRS, which is an illegal organization anyway. Then you have everyone paying the same. Saves hassle. and no one will worry about any loop holes in the system. Any one who gets caught not paying on ALL their income can go to prison and rebuild roads, break rock, ect,ect.

          • DaveH

            That’s a Flat Rate Income Tax, fedup. I know, everybody calls it a Flat Tax, but a true Flat Tax would be if everybody paid the same nominal amount. Morally I don’t see how anybody can defend making a person pay more because he/she earns more. It would be like an auto dealer asking you to fill out an income statement before he prices the car.
            Also, a Flat Rate Income Tax would still require an enforcing agency and self-employed people and other businesses would still have to fill out paperwork because they can’t be expected to pay “income” taxes on their gross revenue given that their “income” is revenues-expenditures.

        • WARLORDX

          Dave H.
          Thanks for calling that idiot Robert on this voting issue.
          Also, I agree with you. Voters without ‘skin in the game’ is what has allowed our country to disentigrate to its’ present stage.

          • Robert Smith

            Actually it was a couple of wars brought to you by George Bush and a financial melt-down from the top 1% who were the Bush cronies.

            Rob

          • DaveH

            The unnecessary wars are certainly part of it, but didn’t you indicate in a post today, Robert, that you back up Obama’s war efforts?
            Your morals change depending on who’s in office, don’t they?

          • Robert Smith

            If you got it, post it…

            In fact I really really like the part of the Obama policy that has finally gotten us out of Iraq.

            Rob

      • firefight

        Dear Robert Smith,
        Back in those days, Robert, everyone worked and contributed to the benefit of the group. something that you, as an entitlist seemed to overlook. Today, we have folks that do nothing for a living except try to vote themselves more stuff from those of us who do work and contribute. Something our founding fathers did not foresee and thus did not write about. I totally agree that given today’s vast field of non-contributing individuals, that there should definitely be some stipulations placed on one’s privilege of voting. When the people who vote for a living outnumber those who work for a living, all freedoms can be lost for all. Robert, you don’t seem to be able to grasp that reality. Given the fact that we have transitioned from a nation of hard working, caring individuals in the majority to a nation of way to many who don’t give a s–t about anyone but themselves, we should take a long hard look at just what privileges we give to those who do not contribute a blessed thing beyond more offspring with the same mentality. after all, if the Government can impose restrictions on law abiding citizen’s second amendment rights, why can’t they impose restrictions upon non-working, non-contributing individuals. Seems fair to me.

        • eddie47d

          Would that include the unemployed, apartment dwellers(no property taxes paid),retired citizens who no longer work,stay at home moms,disabled who can’t work? You sir are opening up a can of worms and are an elitist.

          • El Gringo

            Hey Dum-Dum, renters pay taxes through their rent. My rent was raised this past year to compensate the landlords tax increase. (The name is meant in a jocular manner, not as a perjoritive. If it offends you please accept my apologies.)

          • eddie47d

            Yes dum dum but the city doesn’t consider you property owners and thus you wouldn’t be allowed to vote. Only the property owner. Okay dum dum

    • NC

      No fool, you are exactly right that dumb people put Obama in office and the dumbest of the bunch who had the most to do with Obama getting into office was george w.bush. If he had been just “half competent” as a president John McCain would be President and Caribou Barbie would be Vice President.Unfortunately, mr. bush screwed up every thing he touched and America was watching.

      • JB

        Blame is easy for you, isn’t it, NC – - -and you think anything was solved/resolved by this administration of fools presided over by Obama ? ? ?

        • NC

          JB, I’m biased in favor of Obama and shouldn’t answer your question. Maybe you ask bin Laden if anything has been “resolved” since Obama has been President.

          • DaveH

            Why? Is he still alive? Probably he was dead years ago, and some poor sap look-alike took the bullet for the American Propaganda machine.

          • No fool

            Your buddy Obozo refused to decide on that attack. Due to his failure to make a decision, he was then considered by Leon Panetta and staff to make him an absentee president, during most of that theater, which Bush initiated during his term. Obozo didn’t even know the attack was in play until he was pulled of the golf course to attend, where others found him to be confused and dazed by the attack. Obozo did not kill his buddy Bin Laden, although he has tried to steal that limelight.

            One of the many articles on this subject:
            http://talkwisdom.blogspot.com/2011/05/obama-wasnt-told-until-mission-was.html

          • Don

            nc, is that short for NANCY ??? the story i heard was that odumbo didn’t give the order to get Osama Been Living, he was to busy playing basketball or golf !!!

          • Kate8

            DaveH – That would certainly explain why he was “buried at sea”, wouldn’t it? No way to prove it wasn’t him.

            Actually, there’s no way to prove it was anyone, except to take a pathological liar at his word.

        • eddie47d

          Looks like blame is easy for JB also. Blame Obama even if he only farted. Obama was in the same room with his staff and Leon Panetta so FOOL isn’t so correct either.

          • JeffH

            eddie’s the fool here once again…he’s letting his emotions run his mouth!

            Leon Panneta was at the CIA headquarters in Virginia and Obama was in the White House situation room in DC. They were not together or in the same room!

          • JeffH
          • eddie47d

            I suppose it was more photo shopped pictures of them all right Jeff?

          • JeffH

            Gee eddie, does that mean you didn’t read the article? That explains a lot!

          • eddie47d

            Not this time Jeff. I read and saw it back when it was in the real news. I don’t need your downloads to prove what happened or your typical version of events to prove YOUR point of view.

          • JeffH

            If you saw it and read it then why do you have to lie and say that Panetta and Obama were together when Bin Laden was killed?

          • eddie47d

            They were in the same room when it was authorized so once again knock off your continually lying!

      • Karolyn

        Do you really believe that smart people voted for McCain?

        • Brad

          Karolyn,

          Yes, smart people did vote for John McCain.

          • Karolyn

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :-)

          • Vigilant

            Karolyn, you just stereotyped 58.3 million Americans as “stupid.” And we thought you were the proponent of “positive” vibes!

            If those 58.3 were stupid, then the 66.9 million who voted for Obama (minus those who didn’t vote because of ACORN and SEIU voter fraud) are idiots.

          • Vigilant

            P.S. 53.8% of your own state voted for McCain. It’s a shame you have to live with such “stupid” neighbors.

          • Brad

            Just goes to show, you are ignorant and won’t accept the fact smart people voted for John McCain…

          • Karolyn

            What I was responding to was the allegation that everyone who voted for Obama was dumb. Hence my response. McCain was no choice either!

          • JeffH

            Vigilant, Karolyn reaps what she sows. Yes, she is a hypocrit…positive vibes my arse…
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtxqtBq0uVw

          • eddie47d

            That video was nothing but Republican propaganda and Jeff fell for it line hook and sinker. We know you are biased Jeff but did you have to prove it so clearly. I don’t want to hear any more of this “I check out the facts before I post” crap. You also proved the definition of troll with that video. So king troll how does it feel…. and Karolyn did prove her point and that makes you the mean hypocrite!

          • Vigilant

            JeffH, EXCELLENT!

            Would love to see Karolyn’s response to that clip…but probably won’t.

          • Vigilant

            eddie:

            “Republican propaganda?” You mean they have a Saturday Night Live type who looks just like Obama, railing against deficit spending and forcing the consumer to buy a commercial product (health care)?

            Explain yourself, son.

          • JeffH

            “We know you are biased Jeff but did you have to prove it so clearly.”

            And what do you prove evry day eddie? That you’re “The great liberal defender.”

            eddie, all one needs to do is read your angry comments to realize you’re a troll and an unknowledgable and factless hypocritical name calling liar.

            20-0 ring a bell?

            Polly Troll want a cracker?

          • eddie47d

            That only proves that Jeff and Vigilant approve of dirty tactics. Jeff there is no 20-1 so stop attempting to feed your own ego. I’m surprised it hasn’t exploded yet.

          • Vigilant

            “Dirty tactics?”

            Since when is the truth dirty tactics?

          • Karolyn

            Vigilant – What Karolyn thinks about the video? Big deal! What am I supposed to think? That the Republicans can make cool videos? We get some good ones in in SC from the Democrats about our governor. I don’t really get the significance of this particular video.

          • Vigilant

            You know, I kinda’ figured the significance of it might escape you. None so blind as those who WILL not see.

            ‘Nuff said…..

          • JeffH

            eddie, you’re right! There was never a 20-1…it was 20 – 0 or should I say not one person cast a vote in your favor, not one and not even one liberal stepped up on your behalf…that was TWENTY – ZERO on your lack of credibility.

          • Robert Smith

            Half of all Americans are below average IQ.

            Rob

          • eddie47d

            We have to assume that Jeff is in the lower class with his idiotic puffery! No Jeff there is no 20-0 0r 9-1 0r anything else. You are no Gandhi or Jesus Christ himself so take your ugly and petty comments someplace else.

          • JeffH

            eddie, de-nial is a river in Egypt… :) :) :) LMAO at you!

          • Vigilant

            RS says, “Half of all Americans are below average IQ.”

            …and those are the ones that voted for Obama. How’s it feel being in that group?

          • libertytrain

            Vigilant – I was thinking exactly that…. again, look how the left feels some necessity to put everyone in a “class” of sorts – I feel like I’m in India…

          • eddie47d

            It could be just the opposite. I’m still looking for a little more intelligent life here.

        • http://heisco.net Patriot II

          Smart People voted AGAINST Obama, only one way to do that, Vote FOR McCain

          Duh!

          • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

            There’s never only one smart way to do something.

            *I* voted against Obama by voting for Ron Paul.
            :-)

      • http://www.motorcarsfinancial.com Brad

        NC

        Bush was not allowed to do much for the people the last two years in office with 100% DEMS Congress

        • http://heisco.net Patriot II

          Excellent Point Brad!

      • DaveH

        John McCain, who is also a Liberal, would have been a worse President than Obama. Because, John McCain would have been less clumsy. He would have grown Big Government bigger but more slowly, more imperceptibly, and the people would have kept slumbering until some time in the future we would wake up to the realization that we were in a Tyranny.
        Thank you, Obama, for waking the people up like no President before you.
        We have a chance now to make things right now. Let’s not blow it.

        • http://heisco.net Patriot II

          DaveH;

          You really have your head on some Liberal Socialist Planet.

          McCain is not a Traitor to this country, and would not purposly try to destroy it like Obama and his One World Bosses are doing. Make No mistake, check it out, quit listening to the Marxist Media, and trust your gut for a change.

          I will pray for you, that you will have dicernment in these matters.

          • DaveH

            You apparently have no idea what John McCain is, Patriot. He’s my state Senator, and I’ve written often to the quintessential Politician John McCain. His actions belie his words. You need to do some studying and wake to the reality that John McCain is just another Big Government guy.
            Here’s his rating from gunowners.org for instance:
            http://gunowners.org/2010-arizona-candidates.htm

            So save those prayers, Patriot, to pray for more political enlightenment.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “McCain is not a Traitor to this country,”

            No… But from the number of planes he was in that were wrecked it’s almost an Ace for any enemy we might have.

            Oh well, at least he flew them, unlike Bush who scated out on his flight physical.

            BTW, I’m looking for some venture capital so we can toss folks into prison and keep them isolated for a few years as if that is training for presidental office. (not)

            Rob

      • Paula

        If you think Bush screwed it up, then I would have to say that Obama has complete stripped the treads holding the screw in place and the foundation is now rickety and about to collapse.

    • Karolyn

      EVERY person in this country DESERVES the right to vote, no matter what their circumstance. If they are able to think and discern, they deserve the right to vote. If you put restrictions like owning land on people, you turn this country into one run by the few (which it actually is already). Just because someone opts not to own land does not classify him or her as being unable to make a judgment call. Also, EVERYONE, even the poor, pay taxes. Thos who rent pay taxes via their rent to the landlord. Everyone pays sales tax and other taxes such as those placed on gas and utilities.

      • Mary

        Oooohh. That’s a big problem a lot people vote because they have the undeserve right to vote. Mental challenge people etc. etc. People who’s supposed “disable” vote. When 47% are government dependents. How their vote go?. I don’t think the takers have the same right of the producers. My 9 years old make more sense than a lot of voters that I know. For this and many reasons I believe we are in the point of no return.

        • Michael

          I served 4 in the USAF, I’m now receiving SS disability, if you think I don’t deserve the right to vote and try to take it away, all I can say is you better come loaded for bear.This country is in the shape it’s in because of the liberal agenda. You can’t discipline your own children, build on your own properties as desired, the list goes on and on. The federal gov. has grown itself to the point it thinks it can run your life better than you can. THAT’S pure B.S. as I know what I need better than anyone.

        • Karolyn

          So you would support people being tested and filling our applications before being able to vote?

          • Vigilant

            If nothing else, that would disqualify the liberals. Since liberalism is a mental disorder, it would decimate the ranks of the Republicrats.

        • Opal the Gem

          I see karolyn supports letting illegals and other non citizens vote along with anyone old enough to hold a pencil no matter how young, or senile.

          • eddie47d

            She never said that Opal so you seem to be a senile old fool who doesn’t have a grasp on facts or reality. Your pal Vigilant is the one with the mental disorder and you two should sign into the Institution on the buddy plan.

          • JeffH

            eddie the hypocrit runs around the board chastising others for name calling and “voila”…senile old fool he calls Opal.

            eddie, seems you’re the FOOL now and always will be…Hypocrit!

          • Opal the Gem

            eddie you show me where she didn’t say that. She said ” EVERY person in this country DESERVES the right to vote, no matter what their circumstance.” the emphasis is hers. Her statement includes everyone in the US with no distinction for being a non citizen or younger than the current voting age.

          • eddie47d

            Stick to your angry interpretation if it makes you feel better Opal. Your like talking to a wall anyway.

          • Vigilant

            I agree. Talking to eddie is indeed talking to a wall.

          • JeffH

            Vigilant…I think you’re right…walls can echo too don’t they…?

          • eddie47d

            More original thoughts from two empty heads. That would still make it zero on the IQ scale.

          • Opal the Gem

            A “0″ IQ beats your negative IQ eddie.

          • JeffH

            Well, well POLLY…ironic that Robert Smith mentions IQ’s and now eddie the parrot is too…echoo, echoooo, echooooooooo….want a cracker? baaarrraaaccckkk?

          • eddie47d

            Your the repeater Jeff or is that peter eat*r

      • Congress Works For Us

        @Karolyn – With respect it depends on the election. Why should non property owners have a right to vote to raise my property taxes? In this case they are not paying taxes, yet they have a right to raise mine and my neighbors? There’s another word for this: theft.

        Originally, local elections were all that mattered. It is our error of allowing the Federal Government to usurp powers the Constitution simply doesn’t grant that has created this ill-advised concept of “right to vote.”

        • Karolyn

          People who rent do pay property taxes via their rent amount. I pay property taxes via my rent as well as on my vehicle.

      • DaveH

        No, Karolyn, people do not have a “right” to vote how to spend other peoples’ money. If you want to be able to spend other peoples’ money as your own, at least have the decency to be honest about it, and admit “I am a Thief”.

        • Karolyn

          According to the Constitution they do, Dave.

          • DaveH

            Show me where that “right” to spend other peoples’ money is given, Karolyn:
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/constitution_en.html

          • DaveH

            Okay, Karolyn, I thought about it more and there are three problems with our argument.
            First, when I talk about “rights”, I’m talking about Natural Rights, those that are given by our humanity, or if you’re religious — by our Creator. They can’t be either taken or given by Government.
            Second, up until the 16th Amendment, it was recognized that the Federal Government would be paid for equally by the citizens of the states. So, there would have been no controversy about spending other peoples’ money.
            Third, there is absolutely no Federal Power given in the Constitution which allows the Federal Government to redistribute other peoples’ money — vote or no vote. That power has just been Taken by self-serving Politicians so as to have the ability to buy votes and keep themselves in office.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Obviously, you’ve never read the Constitution. It says nothing of the sort.

            Way to go, DaveH.

      • Joey Biden

        WRONG! Karolyn, Only legal citizens of the United States have the right to vote. Which by the way, the Demorats are trying to change. So much for the Constitution.

        • Karolyn

          Excuse me for not using the correct term, “legal citizens,” but that’s what I meant.

        • eddie47d

          They are only putting words in your mouth to enhance their reasoning Karolyn.

      • SerfCityHereWeCome

        So…that “everyone” who “deserves” the right to vote here includes toddlers? People in comas? On death row? Foreign citizens overseas? Btw, the nonworking poor (and vast majority of working poor through EITC, WIC, section 8, etc.) DO NOT “pay taxes”, through their landlord or otherwise; they merely return a small amount of their received handouts as net tax consumers.

        • JeffH

          …I do like your play on words…in your name… :)

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      So obviously if I pay twice as much in taxes and own more land I get more votes? Otherwise its a conflict of interest?

      Also say I own 17 properties and pay $2Million PA in taxes and you own/pay less. By your logic you are dumber than me so obviously you cannot vote.

      Be careful what you wish for Bill Gates is a liberal

  • CP

    No Fool Says, more fool you. You do need to take a good look at those you so blatantly dispise. For sure I can see you holding office and throwing the retirees out on the street because they “depend on the government for support.” A good many of these people voted for other than Obama, and will again, offered a decent alternative. So far, all we have seen are open mouths and little else. If we start eliminating voters because they at some time or other took government money, that would mean no military or government contractors would be allowed to vote, and the same could be said for anyone who ever filed income taxes and got a refund. Sound familiar? At one time, the only people allowed to vote WERE the very people you want to limit the voting to, business owners and major land owners.That thoroughly eliminated over ninety per cent of the population. Of course, in that time, if you didn’t like how things were being run where you lived, it was relatively easy to pick up and go someplace you couldn’t be reached by the troublesome authorities. Try it now and you will quickly find said authorities snatching you back where you came from just to have a nice long talk with you about why you wanted to leave their fair whatever.

    • Vigilant

      CP says, “If we start eliminating voters because they at some time or other took government money, that would mean no military or government contractors would be allowed to vote, and the same could be said for anyone who ever filed income taxes and got a refund.”

      Sorry, CP, an income tax refund is NOT getting money from the government! It simply means the Gov’t withheld too much money from your paycheck. They withhold $100 and give you back $10 doesn’t mean you took $10 of government money, it means the government took $90 from you.

      • eddie47d

        CP sure made a good point about contractors who take bids from the government. That would be a conflict of interest and all employees should not be allowed to vote.Right? What a slippery slope some of you take in denying others the right to vote. You could be next Vigilant!

        • Vigilant

          Oh Oh! eddie just played the “slippery slope” card.

          Well, there’s no satisfactory answer to the slippery slope ploy, so I’ll just forever hold my peace! (NOT)

          Just out of curiosity eddie, I could be next? Upon which fact do you base that specious argument?

          • JeffH

            Facts? eddie don’t need no FACTS! He still thinks “opinions are facts”!

            Proof in point:

            eddie47d says:
            August 21, 2011 at 11:30 am
            An opinion can be a fact or just an opinion on a subject. What should we call your “opinions” Song? Maybe you are too “opinionated” to answer that.

          • eddie47d

            Your too funny Jeff try laying off the commie propaganda for once will ya!

          • Vigilant

            Still waiting for an answer, eddie me boy…..

          • JeffH

            Sorry if you don’t like the facts eddie…your problem, not mine…

          • eddie47d

            Vigilante: When the phony self righteous come for certain people they eventually work their way down to the next person they hate and so forth and so on. Putting up roadblocks to stop folks from voting is once again in full swing and is being done from the right.A very slippery slope indeed.

          • Vigilant

            Well, just as I thought, you couldn’t provide a single fact to support your argument.

            Then you compound your error (when will you ever learn?) by saying “Putting up roadblocks to stop folks from voting is once again in full swing and is being done from the right. A very slippery slope indeed.”

            You mean like the Black Panthers intimidating voters? How ’bout ACORN submitting fake voter registrations? Or perhaps you were talking about the Democrat-inspired fraud in Indiana? Locally, we have a city council (Democrat, of course) just shown to have forged voter registrations.

            And the list goes on and on….sure looks to me like the “roadblocks” are being placed by the Dems.

          • eddie47d

            No voter intimidation by the NBP…more right wing swill and you are another disgusting troll.

        • eddie47d

          When you stop lying about others Jeff then maybe you’ll get your credibility back until then you’re still despicable.

          • JeffH

            eddie, again you’re just parroting like a wall…echo, echooo, echooooooooo…..want another cracker?

          • eddie47d

            Cry me a river Jeff Boo Hoo Hoo!

    • Greg T

      Social Security would not be included because we paid into it first.

      Those that receive their sole income from government while giving nothing to support it, to include federal employees and those do not work are too interested in maintaining their own income at the expense of the very system that gives them their subsistence, they should loose their right to vote for receiving the benefits of the state. It should cost something for being on the doll. To say otherwise will be our downfall as current events in Europe and history prove over and over again even going back to the Roman Empire.

      • Karolyn

        The majority of people who live off public assistance DO NOT VOTE! They do not know what is going on and believe that they will always be taken care of no matter who is in office. Talk to a few.

        • No fool

          Majority? Do you have an actual percentage number? I personally know several that do vote.

          • Karolyn

            I live in SC in a pretty economically depressed area and have exposure to many on public assistance and can tell you from experience that they live in their own little bubbles and have no clue what’s going on in the world let alone who’s even running for President.

          • DaveH

            References, Karolyn. Your limited personal experience is not valid proof of your statement.

          • Karolyn

            My “limited” personal experience includes a great deal of exposure to such people throughout my adult life as well, Dave.

          • DaveH

            Not good enough, Karolyn. However this rather exhaustive study does back you up. Note though that while the number of welfare recipients who vote is small (about 29%), the number of non-welfare recipients who vote is also pretty low these days (about 47%):
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771575/

        • El Gringo

          Karolyn, while it pains me to do so, I will have to agree with you that many, perhaps a majority, of low income (those on the public dole), do, indeed, not vote. However, I am also aware that some of my right-wing neighbors who piss and moan about the Governments largesse to all the ne’er do-wells don’t bother to vote either. While I am no longer physically able to go to my local polling place, I vote by absentee ballot for which I am compelled to re-register each election cycle. Voting is too precious not to vote.(Acorn has never bothered to enlist my vote, LOL.)

          • Paula

            One of the things that ticks me off the most is people who pay no attention to the candidates, do not listen to any of the debates. Listen only to their stupid friends opinions and then march down to the polls and cast their vote. In 2008 a group of women I work with stood around and talked about how ugly McCains wife’s hair was, as if that had anything to do with anything. But believe it or not that is how some people choose their President. I tried to talk to them, because what I saw about Obama scared me. But would they listen, heck no. 3 years later they are singing a different tune. Have I told them, I told you so, no I am to nice for that. :)

    • RivahMitch

      Only a liberal fool is unable to differentiate between earned entitlements (those paid for with blood, service or taxes) and unearned entitlements (those given to parasitical members of society by congresscritters to buy their votes).

      • Vigilant

        Well put!

      • No fool

        Perfect

      • Paula

        Finally, someone who is making some sense.

    • No fool

      CP.

      You are so wrong. “that would mean no military or government contractors would be allowed to vote”. Presently military & especially military contractors presently pay through the nose in taxes. I can safely assume you were neither as you would otherwise know this. Retirees collecting SS presently pay taxes. What kind of free ride are you on and what are you smoking?, so the rest of us can sign up.

    • http://www.motorcarsfinancial.com Brad

      CP actually the tax refund is money comiong back to you without interest, borrowed be the government from the tax payers.

  • NC

    SC, are you referring to the same ACLU that appeared in court on behalf of ultra conservative Sean Hannity to protect his constitutional right of free speech? And on behalf of ultra conservative Oliver North for his right to a “fair trial”? or the ACLU that appeared in court on behalf of ultra conservative Rush Limbaugh to protect his right of privacy?? Is that the ACLU you can’t trust to do the “right” thing?

    • s c

      NC, assuming that you are smart enough to REASON and understand common sense, here’s the central, #1 FLAW in your ‘stance.’ Al Capone, a Chicago gangster, dished out big bucks for bread lines when times got tough. He also divided his time between charities and MURDERING people and getting rich via booze, women and corrupt politicians.
      According to your “logic,’ Capone was a swell dude.
      A gangster is a gangster is a gangster, whether that slime is in Chicago or the White House. GET IT? If you graduated from high school, it’s because you BOUGHT your diploma, comrade.

      • eddie47d

        Your “logic” needs a Clorox bath SC plus a little deodorant. LOL

        • JeffH

          …just more brilliant commentary from eddie…Are you related in any way to Chris Matthews?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh1xF9XFW70

        • eddie47d

          By the way Jeff could use a little Lava soap.

          • JeffH

            …and you could use a lot of “lie” soap… :)

          • eddie47d

            Not bad Jeff for a come back. Then again I didn’t lie about SC’s comment so that makes you as pathetic as her.

          • JeffH

            Gee eddie, in you own words…I never said you did! But keep thinkin’ that way…you know you’ll lie again and again.

          • JeffH

            …and eddie, you’re not very bright are you…just sayin’…

          • eddie47d

            Say what you want troll it doesn’t make you right.

    • Tim L.

      Well said, NC.

    • DaveH

      No, NC, I think he’s referring to the ACLU that pushed Forced Busing for school children, and the ACLU that fought against Educational Choice, and the ACLU that is fighting for “Net Neutrality” (anti-Freedom-of-Speech).

      • eddie47d

        The ACLU fought for busing because the right wing didn’t want to give minorities ANY CHOICE. I wouldn’t be gloating about that Dave!

        • libertytrain

          Oh I do so recollect that extremely lib center of the country, Boston, had the most difficult violent time when it came to busing…they talk the talk but can’t walk the walk….

        • DaveH

          I was gloating? Where do you come up with that crap, Eddie? Personally, I think you are mentally retarded.
          And since when (except in Union minds) is taking peoples’ Freedom away a good thing? Methinks you have a few loose screws, Eddie.

        • Paula

          You completely misunderstood Dave’s post. He was finding fault with the ACLU, not defending it.

        • eddie47d

          … and I’m finding serious faults with Dave H.

  • Disgusted

    The fact that they could tie this change (removal of the D and R) from the voting ballots to racism is unbelievable. If it can be called racism agains the african americans then it can be called racism against any race: white, yellow, brown, black, green, blue, red. The only people that will be effected by that change are those that don’t know anything about the candidates and only vote based on the D and R – that could be anyone – not just african americans (who by the way are Americans and should not be called “African Americans” – you either are or your aren’t – period).
    I am so sick of the race card being played. It needs to stop!

    • Robert Smith

      It will stop when all real and percieved racism stops.

      But sadly there are just too many people willing to use any excuse for a them / us mentality.

      Rob

      • s c

        r, if you’re really concerned about us/them losers, talk to Jesse Jackson and his side-kick, Big Al Sharpton. They seem to have the marketing rights to ‘perceived’ racism.
        While you’re at it, talk to your plastic, power-mad, false W H god about the downside to perceived racism and especially an US/THEM mentality.

      • JimH

        Are the racists the ones who want to take away the party affiliation from the ballot, or the ones that believe, falsely, that a certain ethnicity doesn’t have the brains to know who they are voting for?
        The ones screaming racist, are the real offender’s.

        • http://www.motorcarsfinancial.com Brad

          yes the love to twist around just to cofuse the same people needing a D or an R

        • Karolyn

          See my post below. Facts are facts. In SC a law was passed requiring photo ID for voting and was just overturned. The primary reason it was overturned is because so many in this state have no way to get photo ID or even know what to do, how to get there, etc. and the majority of those people are black.

          • Brad

            Karolyn,

            What your saying peolpe in S.C. can’t go to the DMV and request a state ID card, how much does it cost 25 bucks and good for 5 to 10 year’s. In turn what do those individuals use when cashing a check or have to show proper ID when carded for smokes or alcohol.

          • Opal the Gem

            Nope Brad, what Karolyn is saying is she should be tared, feathered, and runout of the state on a rail because she considers the people of South Carolina so ignorent, backwards, and stupid they need someone to do everything for them.

          • Karolyn

            You don’t live here. You don’t understand. It’s all well and good for those who look from afar and make judgments. There are a great many old people who never leave their homes unless a social worker takes them grocery shopping. Those are the people who would be adversely affected by the law. Gov. Haley originally scoffed and said (more or less) “If they need a ride, I’ll drive them.” These people in rural areas are spread out, and their families don’t necessarily take as much interest as they should. There is basically no public tranxportation. Of course, there is some minimal transportation by the Office on Aging and social workers, but they don’t have the resources to be running people around everywhere. I am sure there are many who do vote and appreciate being given a ride to the polls. Getting to a public agency to get ID is just one more hassle, given they have to go so far and find the ride to get there. It isn’t as simple as you make it out to be.

          • eddie47d

            Poor backwards people have no rights Karolyn and apparently the Republicans want to make it even harder.

          • libertytrain

            who are the poor backwards people – maybe they are not so backwards as you all have judged them to be… labels always so convenient for the left…

          • Karolyn

            liberty – Whether you want to believe it or not, there really are poor backwards people, and that’s not saying anything against them. It is what it is. Have you worked with (meaning assisted) people in lower socio-economic levels? Have you had extensive exposure to them? Have you been friends with them and visited their homes? Lived in their neighborhoods? Somehow you have the impression that because of the way I speak of people I am being condescending when that is not the case. I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em. They are good and bad just like everybody else. I really do love everyone, and I don’t care if you snicker. I have actually led several different lives through my adult years and have been exposed to things you would probably not have the slightest clue about, so don’t sit there on your high horse and judge me. I know how you see me, and I know that you also have no clue.

          • eddie47d

            I wasn’t judging them libertytrain but mocking the fools who think they don’t have any rights.

          • libertytrain

            Actually, I’ve worked and more importantly been friends with many people from the poorest in the land to some of the richest in the land in my life Karolyn, enough to know that I shouldn’t judge them intellectually or class them all in one group by clothes, by the poverty, by their wealth. I’ve known ignorant rich folk and incredibly intelligent poor folks. You and Eddie lumped them into a perceived class.

          • eddie47d

            You didn’t get the jest of it libertytrain …so why bother.

          • libertytrain

            I did get the “gist” of what you were saying – it just wasn’t accurate. So why bother….

      • DaveH

        The people, who refuse to let the racism card die, are the true racists. Even Martin Luther King advocated for a “color blind society”. How can we have that when we are constantly reminded that people are somehow different because of their skin color, Robert?

        • DaveH

          I grow really weary of the double standard.
          Who’s more prejudiced — Blacks or Whites?
          http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/whos-more-racist-black-people-or-white-people/question-59773/

        • libertytrain

          I couldn’t agree more and do recall listening to Rev. King state that lovely concept. And about what he expected should happen. He’d be terribly disappointed to see what had become of his ideal.

          • DaveH

            I believe the blacks would have been absorbed in society long ago without the Government interference. I myself am reverse prejudiced. When I see a Freedom-loving black on TV, I find myself wishing I could know them personally.
            The Leaders are simply buying votes on the backs of ignorant people.

          • libertytrain

            I couldn’t agree with you more -

          • JeffH

            Daveh and libertytrain…both comments are well stated and honest and true. Moral and honest people know the difference.

          • eddie47d

            Moral and honest people also know when others are denied rights and are willing to fight for another persons rights without selfish desires for self.

          • libertytrain

            I guessed if the left was moral and ethical it would not keep distinguishing that people have different colors so all the peoples would long ago risen to be the lefts equal in the lefts eyes rather than something “different” — needing fixing all the time and having to keep those folks in some sort of different place to keep reminding them they are different than the white left.
            My friends and I don’t refer to our “separate” colors. They are my equals, I am theirs and you can’t separate them from me because of your need to distinguish our race and color.

          • Karolyn

            liberty says: “My friends and I don’t refer to our “separate” colors.” Does anybody who are friends or even coworkers?

          • libertytrain

            Yes, I’ve heard that oftentimes up North when visiting..the demo left I’m forced to spend time with up there distinguishes the race of their co-workers. Like a badge of honor – that they can do notches in their proverbial belt for the different colors, race, or gay and color gets two notches…. I don’t experience that here in the South.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            You don’t know anything about morality and honesty. So chime out.

          • eddie47d

            Your playing a foolish game libertytrain. I could bring up the fact that it was conservatives who kept minorities in their place and didn’t allow them to vote in the first place. That was not the doings of any liberal.

          • JeffH

            Big talker eddie, big talker. If you make a threat at least be ready to back it up…that means proof eddie, not your opinion, not your conjecture…PROOF! But we all know you quite well and no one should expect anything more than a fifth grade retort from you.

          • DaveH

            That’s not a “fact”, Eddie. That’s a LIE.

          • libertytrain

            I expect ed, you keep trying to elude the simple truth. You all bring race up and up and up so no one can be allowed to forget their places perhaps? I don’t know… My friends and I do not. We are just people trying to live our lives without the constant reminder of skin tone thrown at us and celebrate each others successes and help each other in times of sorrow.

          • eddie47d

            Where’s the lie Dave H.? Blowing more hot air are you. It was the Southern CONSERVATIVES who demand separate facilities,no schools for blacks and few if any voting rights for them. You sir are the liar and a damn lousy one at that!

          • eddie47d

            You wouldn’t know the truth Jeff if it hit you in the pie hole. Enough said on your dumbing down to impress the “ladies” with your snippity comments.

          • eddie47d

            I believe it was Dave that brought up race libertytrain and he is a conservative …so that automatically can’t be according to your version..right!

          • JeffH

            eddie, ya gettin all upset now? You reap what you sow as I like to say and you deserve every bit of it 10 fold.

          • libertytrain

            jeff – yepper. Old Eddie47d Haskell can’t quite squirm out of it though he always tries….silly kid.

          • DaveH

            If I did lie, Eddie, you’re right that I’d be lousy at it. That’s because, unlike yourself, I am not accustomed to it.
            Show us some references, Eddie, that it was Conservatives who promoted Segregation. As I recall, the South had been heavily Democrat since the Civil War. And one of the lead segregationists was George Wallace — a Democrat.
            What kind of deranged mind, Eddie, allows you to just say whatever crap you feel like saying? Does it make you feel good to have NO Credibility?

          • libertytrain

            the lib left seems bent on making sure the folks of color are kept beholding to them and in some sort of “place” – some sort of class separation — I wonder why exactly that is….

          • eddie47d

            Dave is like a cockroach scurrying around in his denial . Democrats in the “old” south were Conservative ..get it Dave Conservative! Who cares if they were Republican or Democrat. They believed in segregation and blocked voting rights.

        • Paula

          I am sure glad I am not a poor black person in S.C., because I would get awfully sick and tired of being called stupid by the people who think they are protecting my right to vote. Come to think of it poor doesn’t even enter into it because S.C. offer to provide free ID. So I guess what the Justice Dept was really saying was that black people are stupid. Now there’s a treat, because Eric Holder is black and he really is stupid.

    • No fool

      Obama and Holder are constantly playing the race card against anyone who opposes them. You want it to stop? Start by throwing these two out of office.

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    A good subject to get some more liberal buttons pushed…….

    • Robert Smith

      Why is button pushing more important than solving problems?

      • Vigilant

        Its not more important. It’s just FUN to watch the knee-jerk reactions of liberals, long on emotion and short on logic/common sense.

        • NC

          What is not fun is watching conservatives try to solve 21st century problems with 17th century positions.We did not get this great by NOT paying our fair share of taxes. We did not get this great without the government affording the less fortunate the opportunity to rise above their status.The Democrat Party, with it’s many many liberals, has lead us through two world wars and to the strongest economy in our history.Not bad for a group that doesn’t know how to get things done.

          • Vigilant

            HA! HA! I rest my case.

          • eddie47d

            No he put your case to rest!

      • JeffH

        Rob, you’re the expert here so you tell us. Huh?

      • DaveH

        You’re a long way from being a problem solver, Robert.
        I wouldn’t trust you to walk my dog.

        • Robert Smith

          I’m sure you and your dog will enjoy each other in wedlock now that gays can marry in so many states.

          Isn’t that the slippery slope we keep hearing about?

          Rob

  • Gary

    NC
    Just because the ACLU is involved in some noble causes does not negate the fact that they are often to ready to take away certain liberties because some people don’t like those liberties. The certainly should not be called “The AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union” and thats for damn sure.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Gary,

      Can you show us a specificl liberty the ACLU is responsible for anyone not having?

      Rob

      • DaveH

        I can, Robert:
        http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/the-blind-archer/#comment-690254

        And that list is by no means exhaustive.

      • Brad

        RS,

        Sure can when the ACLU fights for speacial rights for the LGBT community at large; a group has no individual rights only one person has rights under the bill of rights. In turn when the courts/legislators give spacial rights to minority groups it effectively undermines our rights as defined by the bill of rights.

        • eddie47d

          Equal rights is not special rights and that is all they are asking. I will agree though that laws go too far at times and make some too dependent on those laws rather than their own strengths.

      • Dennis48e

        The ACLU’s refusal to support the Second Amendment.

        • eddie47d

          The ACLU certainly does support the 2nd Amendment so look it up.

        • JeffH

          eddie, maybe yo should reall fact check yourself…directly from the ACLU website.

          ACLU POSITION
          Given the reference to “a well regulated Militia” and “the security of a free State,” the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court’s 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view.

          The Supreme Court has now ruled otherwise. In striking down Washington D.C.’s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia.

          The ACLU “disagrees with the Supreme Court’s conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment.” We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.

          • Dennis48e

            Thanks JeffH you saved me from having to look it up. That is exactly the response they gave me when I inquired of them about the 2nd amendment.

          • JeffH

            Dennis, then maybe it is eddie who should look it up…ya think?

          • DaveH

            We all know that Eddie plays loose with the truth.

          • eddie47d

            I did and they do support the 2nd. They differ on some gun issues but not the Amendment itself.

          • JeffH

            eddie, you’re either a liar or you can’t comprehend their statement which was posted word for word.

            The ACLU stated that they “disagree with the Supreme Court ruling”…comprende?

          • DaveH

            Well, we know he’s a Liar, Jeff. But we also know that his reading comprehension sucks majorly. So, it could be either or both.

          • eddie47d

            Your confusing your own extremism’s on gun rights with the opinion of others. Anything you don’t agree with constitutes being against guns. Your mind is bolted closed on that issue so I wouldn’t expect any honest answer from you. So throwing liar around is easy for you because you can’t think beyond your own preconceived notions.

          • JeffH

            eddie, eddie, eddie…it’s been easy to prove your continual lying…you accuse me, I(and others)ontinually prove you to be the liar…you even have to lie about that. Give it up eddie. You can parrot all you want(echo, echooooo)but no one believes you anyway. i.e. you have none, zero, nada, zilch credibility on this website.

          • eddie47d

            What Klan militia did you say you belonged to Jeff? Your a sick rabid dog!!

        • JeffH
    • NC

      Sir, every cause is “noble” if it involves the surpression of a Constitutional right and it is the Court,not the ACLU,that makes the final determination as to what is just.That Court, for some years now, has had more Republican nominess than Democrat. Presently, it is 6-3 Republican. Not a real friendly atmosphere for the “liberal” ACLU but they continue to vigilantly watch for violations of the Constitution and they move without regard to the political persuasion of the parties involed like Hannity, North and Limbaugh.P.s. They have a very nice success record in all kinds of courts.They are experts on the Constitution. Ask Ollie and Rush!!

      • Vigilant

        Sorry, 6-3 Republican is a meaningless statistic.

        The SCOTUS is 4-4-1, evenly divided between conservative and liberal (activist), with one swing vote.

      • s c

        NC, if you can find some time, there’s another article on this website that’s titled ‘Michigan May Link Welfare to Drug Tests.’ The ACLU has already been involved in trying to screw up having FUNCTIONAL standards for welfare recipients.
        Once again, the ACLU is dividing itself between playing good cop-bad cop.
        It is a prostitute that uses lawyers for politcal agendas. It is no damn good, and is inherently anti-American – as are all utopians. Screw the ACLU.

        • Joey Biden

          It’s about time for the welfare/drug test. We needed it a long time ago.

        • NC

          A trait I find that runs through the conservative mind-set every where is “do it OUR way every time or it is no d**ned good ANYTIME” Can you think of anyone who is right everytime especially as to what the Constitution really “says” and ‘means’? Do you have any idea how many hundreds of cases went to the US Supreme Court BEFORE the LIBERAL ACLU was ever formed? Could some conservatives have been confused as to what it mean???

          • Vigilant

            “Can you think of anyone who is right everytime especially as to what the Constitution really “says” and ‘means’?”

            Answer: Ron Paul.

            Next question.

          • Vigilant

            BTW, NC, you don’t need to be a legal eagle to read and understand the Constitution. It was written so that even people with a marginal IQ like yourself could understand it.

            You should try reading it some time.

        • eddie47d

          People who use drugs have problems and probably need welfare more than anyone. Welfare is for folks with problems so it’s an oxymoron to deny help to people who need help. My concern is to make sure that the benefits are properly used whether you are on drugs or not.

          • Karolyn

            eddie – I disagree with you there. Welfare is a handy enabler. It has it’s place, but when abused does not help anybody. A drug addict will only get help when he or she reaches a bottom and that won’t happen if he/she keeps getting helped.

          • eddie47d

            If they have no means or money to seek help then they will probably steal more which would make them even more addicted since the money they steal will only go for drugs. Not food or in seeking help. The welfare dept and the detox dept should be working together in providing that help.

          • Vigilant

            eddie, I have a problem, I smoke too much. Do you think I can qualify for welfare on that basis?

            Lots of people have problems. It’s not Big Gubment’s charter to help them all.

          • eddie47d

            If you have a smoking problem then search out what your insurance offers you to help. I doubt if welfare folks have that insurance that you may be blessed with.

          • Vigilant

            Nah, screw the insurance company, I want and am ENTITLED to taxpayer dollars to cure my addiction. That’s what Big Government is there for, isn’t it?

            Let’s see, I can think of quite a few things that might be perceived as “problems” in my life – do you recommend I seek taxpayer dollars because traffic and local dogs prevent me from getting a good night’s rest? Or maybe I could get a subsidy to feed my dog because he eats more than the average canine (Siberian Husky)? It’s only fair, don’t you think?

            Some have “problems” with low-intelligence bloggers coming on this site without a shred of facts to back up their leftist rants. You think we could get Bob Livingston a Federal grant to do preliminary IQ testing of prospective bloggers? That would keep anyone with an IQ lower than say, 50, from making frivolous postings. Of course, that would disqualify most of the leftists immediately.

            Whatcha’ think, eddie?

          • libertytrain

            gosh, those on welfare usually have free medical and get the stuff the average Joe or Jane’s insurance tends to deny….

          • eddie47d

            What makes Vigilante think he has a sharpe mind. LOL

  • Stanley

    Only a person who pays taxes should have the right to raise taxes. Then only the important functions of government would be funded. Voting to raise someone else’s taxes is just theft on a grand scale.

    • Robert Smith

      Making money on “deravatives” and other exclusively paper transactions without producing a product is also stealing. If one can’t stop it at least we can demand that they contribute to society for their theft.

      Rob

      • s c

        Good morning, comrade. You should have avoided derivatives. Not too long ago, there was a schmuck who ran the Fed, and HE was the one who “blessed” America with the idea of derivatives. His name is Alan G________. As soon as HE did that, UNCLE SCAM said it was a great idea and the floodgates were opened for criminal politicians and other wannabe criminals to rape America via derivatives. By the way, an agency called the IRS also ‘blessed’ the idea.
        Apparently, no one told you (or you ‘forgot’).
        Using YOUR words, if pushing derivatives makes one a criminal, then WHAT is the former Fed head? Can you say WORLD-CLASS CRIMINAL? Is he behind bars? Try and find ONE elected twit who would like to see Alan G behind bars, comrade.

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        I doubt you even know what “deravatives” are. You can’t even spell it right.
        Please tell us what a derivative is, and why it is stealing from anybody.

        • JeffH

          “deravatives” …bet he stole that one from eddie’s talking point list.

        • eddie47d

          Obviously they are not something you understand either Jeff so stop making a fool out of your self. You seem to support all the shenanigans on Wall Street lock stock in barrel. Since you defend their thievery… just maybe that makes you a thieve or waiting to have a deal cut for yourself. Someone yesterday pointed out that 1000(actually it’s 800) bank CEOs or affiliates went to jail during the S&L crises in the 80′s for their misdeeds. I am sadden that very few have been punished in laying ruin to our present economy. That would include Greenspan.

          • JeffH

            You can’t be fixed…there’s no cure…
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7QMo5tCA8c

          • DaveH

            So, Eddie, then I guess you’re implying that you DO know what derivatives are? Please explain to us, and tell us why they are bad.

          • eddie47d

            You and I already had that talk Dave so if it didn’t soak in the first time what makes you think you will absorb it this time?

          • DaveH

            Do you think you’re fooling anybody, Eddie?
            We’ve never had that discussion. You always evade the question just like you just did.
            Wouldn’t it be refreshing if you just admitted you don’t know what the flock you’re talking about?

          • eddie47d

            Actually we did Dave and you were surprised that I knew the answer so quickly. Then as per usual you coyly dismissed what I said. Heck I don’t remember some thing that you say but I’m not repeating what I said just for your pleasure.

          • DaveH

            Still no answer. And no I wouldn’t be surprised because just about anybody could look it up on the net and learn something, even you Eddie.
            Seek Help, Eddie. You need it badly.

          • eddie47d

            You got your proof sicko Dave. Your drool is showing fool.

    • NC

      Stanley, Those we elect have been voting to raise taxes and collecting those taxes for some years now. You may call it grand theft but it sure went a long way in making us the Number One Nation in the world. How many relatives of yours have ever died of starvation from paying taxes in the greatest country in the world?
      We didn’t seem to have these problems before bush,the incompetent, changed Slick Willy’s surplus producing fiscal policy to his “trickle down” policy with a promise of a surplus of 5 trillion in 10 years. How did that work out?

      • DaveH

        A lot of conjecture there, NC. Can you show us any definitive proof for those assertions?

        • DaveH

          Please pick up a copy of “How Capitalism Saved America”, and educate yourself beyond the Public School Propaganda.

      • Vigilant

        “Those we elect have been voting to raise taxes and collecting those taxes for some years now. You may call it grand theft but it sure went a long way in making us the Number One Nation in the world.”

        Taxes made us the greatest nation? I hardly think so! You’ve been reading Howard Zinn or some other communist’s anti-capitalist dross.

        It was the free market and capitalist entrepreneurship that made us the greatest nation in the world, based on a Constitutional Republic that fostered individual freedom.

        Your love of tax-collecting is what’s driving the nation to ruin, along with fiat money and deficit spending.

        “We didn’t seem to have these problems before bush,the incompetent, changed Slick Willy’s surplus producing fiscal policy to his “trickle down” policy with a promise of a surplus of 5 trillion in 10 years. How did that work out?”

        You must have a physical (and possibly mental) age of about 10. Slick Willy produced no surplus, he raided the Social Security fund in a devious shell game that made it LOOK like there was a surplus. Moreover, it was the adamant refusal of the Democrats to place some restraints on Fannie and Freddie that precipitated the mortgage crisis and launched us into this financial abyss that Obama is making worse rather than better.

        • NC

          Have you never seen the videos of george bush, after Slick Willy was history, PRAISING and THANKING Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for assisting in the mortgage program for his beloved program OF housing for low income folks? NEVER SEEN THEM? TRY YOU TUBE!!!
          Not only did he praise them for that, he specifically thanks them for their help with people with bad credit! This was in 2002 AFTER 8(EIGHT) full years of Republican control of both houses of Congress CHARGED with oversight of government involvement in the financial markets.
          ALSO, two years later bush asked for and signed into law a bill that allowed THE GOVERNMENT to USE TAXPAYER’S MONEY TO MAKE the DOWN PAYMENT FOR FOLKS GETTING LOW INCOME LOANS.

          YOU DO REMEMBER george bush DON’T YOU? A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES DON’T. IT’S LIKE 8 LOST YEARS OF REPUBLICAN HISTORY? They never mention him at the Republican debates. While on that subject, can you explain why Republicans screamed at the so-called “lame stream media” for UNFAIRLY accusing Republican leaders of the same things they are now being accused of by other Republicans who are being applauded BY OTHER REPULICANS when they do it??????DOUBLE STANDARD???

          • Vigilant

            Standard idiotic reply from someone who will never understand that Goerge Bush was NOT a Conservative. He was a big business Republican whose LIBERAL moves, such as the bailouts and his support for amnesty, forever branded him as a traitor to the Conservative cause.

            Notwithstanding your abject ignorance of what a Conservative is, I guess you were not around for the Congressional hearings where the Bush administration on something like 10 times warned about the impending dangers of the financially irresponsible actions of Fannie/Freddie. Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd and other Dems kept extolling the virtues and financial health of those activities. They were lying through their teeth, and they knew it.

        • eddie47d

          Nice spin Vigilant and yes you are entitled to your opinion too. Actually it was private banks and mortgage companies that brought down the economy. Freddie and Fannie never gave them the go ahead on any of their schemes.They only told these entities to find ways to make housing more affordable. What these mortgage companies did was just the opposite when they enticed buyers into ARMs which made the cost of housing go up and the cost of financing go up even higher. If Freddie and Fannie would have stopped them you would be the one to scream that government was interfering into private business. To me they are all guilty because none corrected or stopped this behavior. I believe Freddie and Fannie could have intervened if they saw the laws were being broken in these mortgage frauds. Robo signing and forged signatures should have sent up red flag to many more people in the mortgage business. Apparently the money was too good for anyone to stop it. How about those bundled loans that were sold on Wall Street ..more red flags. Those sub prime loans were called ghetto loans by Wells Fargo because they knew many of them would fail. Why would these companies or banks allow that to happen? Because the people would lose their homes and the banks would have that asset in their portfolio. Remember home prices were going up and everyone was making a killing on housing including those banks. So they didn’t care if someone lost their house. Before we had mortgage fraud and the banks made money and now we have foreclosure fraud where the banks still make money. In both cases the homeowner loses.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            You don’t know what you’re talking about. As usual.
            Without the complicity of Big Government (Community Reinvestment Act and other government actions), and the Federal Reserve’s easy money policies, and Fannie and Freddie’s loose acceptance standards for mortgages bought from loan originators, the boom and bust would never have happened.
            Read this and learn something, Eddie:
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj29n1/cj29n1-3.pdf

          • JeffH

            DaveH, this was also brought up yesterday and another link from Mises was posted…but I guess eddie doesn’t know how to open them or he just isn’t too…??? :)

          • DaveH

            Well, they do use some big words at mises.org, Jeff, like “options”, or “futures”. Eddie would be wearing out his brain trying to figure out their meanings, lol.

          • eddie47d

            It’s unfortunate you boys don’t want to know the whole truth and bury your skulls in the sand to hide the other side of the story. CATO (not a bad organization)but has to print what makes the free enterprise system look good. If they didn’t they would lose their readers or benefactors. Now go back and point out what is untruthful in my comment and tell me why you think so. If you can’t you’re not worth a plug nickle and your downloaded information is suspect.

          • JeffH

            That’s easy enough…”Actually it was private banks and mortgage companies that brought down the economy.”!

            Crony Capatalism eddie, crony capitalism… Washington has built a system based on favoritism and patronage. Look at “Too big to fail.” This should be translated into “Our Friends are the best.” Hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of taxpayer dollars, have gone into bailing out companies that in return can be counted on to contribute billions of dollars to Republican and Democratic campaign coffers. The rationale we were told is that if any one company went under our economy would fall off the cliff. Really, I don’t remember being airborne when Lehman Brothers was allowed to go belly up. “Too big to fail” was a hoax perpetrated on the American public so the politicians could repay their campaign benefactors. And they are at it again with their attempt to institutionalize “too big to fail” in financial reform legislation before the Senate.

          • JeffH

            …and an FYI about CATO…(“CATO (not a bad organization)”)
            How could you even say that unless you weren’t aware of the evil Koch
            connection, one of your evil environmental nemesis’.

          • eddie47d

            I’m aware of alot of organizations dufus and you said nothing to dispute my other comment. Weirdo is too kind a word for you Jeff.

        • NC

          In the same post that you condemn bush as a turncoat conservative you praise his administration for questioning Fannie and Freddie. My bet is you voted for him TWICE.Tell me how bush planned to finance his beloved “a home for everyone” without fannie and freddie?
          Do you really not understand that his bail outs were trying help his big business campaign contributors and his amnesty policy was to provide cheap labor to big business contributors! Make sense??
          I am so glad to see you write so glowingly about our free market society and capitalist system because we Democrats have a wonderful record in that area! Pull up on your search engine “bulls, bears, donkeys and elephants” see just how well the stock markets have done under Democrats as opposed to Republican administrations. THE NUMBERS ARE AMAZING!!! There is a reason they say “THE STOCK MARKET LOVE THE DEMOCRATS” AND THAT ARTICLE SAYS IT ALL> LOOK IT UP FOLKS!! “BULLS,BEARS,DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS.”

  • Karolyn

    I just spoke about this to a black woman I work with. She opened my eyes to something I did not think of. Older people, whether black or white, will vote for the party no matter what. As far as those who are poor, many cannot even read, but they can make out a “D” or “R”. On the other hand, when they see someone on TV they like, they may be able to discern his name on the ballot, since party affilication is not necessarily that evident in TV commercials. It is not as cut and dried as many might think. She told me she won’t vote next year, because she is fed up with the usualy crap. I planted a Ron Paul seed in her mind.

    • DaveH

      Good for you, Karolyn, for planting that seed. Freedom would float all boats. Well, maybe excepting the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists.

      • Dennis48e

        Dave, I see where Rick Santorum is gathering steam in Iowa. Be interesting to see if he can maintain the momentum.

        • JeffH

          Dennis48e, whatever momentum he gains and the higher he climbs the ladder just means he’ll become the next target of. a smear campaign.

          Vote Ron Paul 2012

          • Dennis48e

            I agree with that Jeff.

        • eddie47d

          That would be Republicans smearing Republicans.

        • DaveH

          Rick Santorum is an establishment Republican.
          If he’s rising in the polls, it’s only because the Establishment Republicans are desperately seeking Susan, oops, I mean — anybody but Ron Paul.
          Ron Paul is scaring the plaid pajamas off of the Republican establishment. One man could end 150 years of Crony Capitalism, and they don’t like it. What are those Leaders going to do without all those generous campaign donations? Maybe give us back our Freedom?

    • independant thinker

      “Older people, whether black or white, will vote for the party no matter what.”

      How wrong you are karolyn. I would be considered an older voter and I always vote for the candidate NOT the party.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    After reading some of the posts here today, I have come to the conclusion that many of you have too much time on your hands. Is this all you have to do? Sad, sad, sad.

    • DaveH

      Crony Capitalist,
      Why do you keep posting your useless and uninformative comments? Are you trying to outdo Eddie?

      • JeffH

        I guess CaB has an addiction problem…wasn’t he leaving this site yesterday.

        • DaveH

          And the day before.

    • eddie47d

      Get a life Dave. If you don’t like my comments don’t read them. Better yet read them and learn something. Why do you insist in continuing this argument? Are you afraid someone might read mine and ignore yours? Well Boo Hoo!

      • DaveH

        Read them and learn something? Are you trying to get me to laugh myself to death, Eddie? Shame on you.

      • eddie47d

        Yet we are to bow down to you in everything you download. You seldom think on your own and mostly rely on what other organization have to say. Time to do your own thinking Dave. Then we can all have a chuckle.

        • JeffH

          eddie, as if you are a good example of one “who thinks on their own”. You just ooze with envy…envy must be your lifes blood, your motivator…But you keep on with your own independent thoughts, they certainly provise an insight into the mind of the mindless.

        • DaveH

          Seek help, Eddie. You are one seriously deranged Troll.

        • eddie47d

          Danger is not being able to think for yourself. Try it sometime Dave and you won’t be so brainwashed by Conservative flap!

  • FreedomFighter

    Eric Holder should be behind bars serving 20 years for TREASON.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Joey Biden

      Guantanamo Bay would be too good for that sap.

    • Jim Tate

      You can not be taken seriously. Statements like that are foolish.

  • Karolyn

    Why do they need to remove the D or R anyway? What really was the motive?

    • DaveH

      Because they’re both the same party these days, the Big Government Party?

    • Brad

      Karolyn,

      I live and work in SoMD, when we vote for state and local officials the D or R isn’t present. The people learn about their candidates through mailings, T.V., radio and other means of communication, hence we know which candidate (by name) we are voting for before entering the voting booth. I agree, what’s the need for a D or R, we the peolpe should know each candidate before we vote and yes there are those on the left and right which use party affliation to cast their votes, but know the persons name and what they stand for before searching for the D or R at the end. The motive was to have an educated voter voting for the candidate of their choice not based on a D or R.

    • independent thinker

      Karolyn I do not know how many times I have heard someone say the following or words to that effect. “I have always voted democrat and I am not going to change now.” I live in a traditional democrat stronghold and am sure you could hear similar in a traditional republican stronghold. That is the one reason I would support the idea.

      • Karolyn

        I agree. However, as I stated above, what about those who can’t read? Should their vote be taken away because they always vote the party line? Should we have a literacy test for voters?

        • libertytrain

          I can’t speak for the other 49 States and their individual precincts but I have witnessed at my precinct a person being read the ballot that could not read whether it was because he was illiterate or because his eyes were not so good I don’t know – but I don’t see that as a pertinent newly discovered issue to validate your point.

          • Karolyn

            Interesting point.

          • independant thinker

            my state provides paper ballots for those who do not want to vote electronicly and also provides help reading the ballot for anyone who asks for it.

        • DaveH

          A literacy test wouldn’t be enough. No test could be designed that could determine if people were capable of voting intelligently. Unfortunately.
          But one thing we could do is get back to respecting peoples’ private property (that includes money), and start expecting Government to abide by the same moral rules that the rest of us are expected to abide by.

      • eddie47d

        There are dozens of names on some ballots and not everyone remembers who stood for what. It’s alot more than just those running for President so there is nothing wrong with using R or D for a little clarification. I bet MOST Americans wouldn’t be able to name one Libertarian who is running on any ballot. Even Ron Paul is running as a Republican.

        • DaveH

          A simple solution — Don’t vote if you don’t know what their agenda is.

        • Paula

          He shouldn’t be though. He is far more liberal than even Obama. He is only running on the Republican ticket, because he know he would never stand a chance running as a libertarian. He has not change any of his ideas in 60 years (and some of you probably think that is great), but the world has changed a whole lot in 60 years. His idea on foreign policy and national security really frighten me. If you think the terrorist attack on the twin towers was bad you haven’t seen anything yet if Paul become president.

    • JeffH

      K, what difference will it make? If a person is going to vote “stupid” it really doesn’t require a “D” or and “R” to do so.
      If a person can’t read then they probably don’t know the alphabet either.

      Could it be that the Democrats are afraid…or the Republicans? A 50/50 proposition or a crap shoot at best.

      Stupid is as stupid does.

      • eddie47d

        I guess those Libertarian candidate will lose out again if no one knows who they are on the ballot. Since few third party candidates can afford much advertising no one will even pay attention to their name on the ballot and ignore them. Think for a change Jeff so who is really the “stupid” one? Why do you insist in calling people stupid? Does it enhance your standing??

        • JeffH

          eddie. with each passing comment you epitomize the meaning of “stupid”. You can’t be fixed because yours is foevah!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7QMo5tCA8c

        • JeffH

          …and speaking of “stupid”…what does this comment by you have to do with anything I said?

          “I guess those Libertarian candidate will lose out again if no one knows who they are on the ballot. Since few third party candidates can afford much advertising no one will even pay attention to their name on the ballot and ignore them.”

          As usual…NOTHING!

        • eddie47d

          You also prove that ignorance is bliss Jeff. Are you contemplating another brain fart to impress your already inflated ego!

          • JeffH

            Leave it too you to go directly to the potty…and immature fifth grade responses…carefull, you just might get another “offensive comment removed” POLLY!

          • eddie47d

            No more than your offensive comments and they are almost always in response to your replies to me. But you haven’t figured that out yet have you?

          • JeffH

            eddie, I figured you out over two years ago. You’re a child and your idiotic comments demonstrate that along with you potty mouthed retorts. As I said before, you deserve everything that’s heaped on you…heck, it’s as if you like the attention(which you must)negative as it is. In other words, you’ve earned everything that’s thrown your way. Make all of the excuses for your behavior you want…excuses are for losers.

          • eddie47d

            Your a very poor excuse for a human being so does that make you a bigger loser?

        • DaveH

          Actually, that would probably work for Libertarian Candidates. Since many of the voters have been propagandized to believe Libertarians are nuts. We aren’t. We’re just a huge threat to the gravy boats of the Leaders and their Pals.
          Vote Libertarian!
          http://libertarianparty.org/

    • NC

      I just did a little research of the Kinston case and Kinston itself. It seems that one issue was that the resolution passed by the city voters had no provisions for dividing the city into wards or precincts which, according to one councilman, would be detrimental to blacks gaining a seat on the council even though they has majorities in areas within the city. The census reports a large majority of black people in Kinston but I do not know their distribution or voting habits.What else may have caused the Judge to strike it down for now I was not able to determine. I am sure that if the Judge’s decision had any saving graces it would have killed Ben Crystal to admit them. He is so to the right he makes Sean Hannity look like Chris Matthews.

  • Brenda Choate

    Evolution is a funny thing. It seems we can evolve in many things that were nonexistant in earlier years, but are stuck with such out dated concepts of racial equality. The NAACP, ACL, and unions hang on even in an enlightened age. Racism for some reason remains the god of many. I have found that the true racist are the ones that continue to raise the issue. People, racial segreation went out fifty years ago and was replaced with reverse discrimination that continues today. There are no valid reasons to “protect” the “minority”. This very protection subjugates the very people the NAACP, ACLU, and other alphabet organizations claim to defend.

  • AK Tom

    A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

  • James

    I remind again, there is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for the popular election of the President and Vice-President. They are rather chosen by the Electoral College, as they will be this time.

  • Jim Tate

    You guys will probably want a poll tax next.

  • eddie47d

    I T: I have seen that too but usually it’s by who get’s the most votes in the last election which is either the R or the D.

  • Don

    Karolyn, you seem like a really nice person, but with your rhetoric i think the people of SC are just to stupid to vote !!

  • Don

    Only joking of course, but had to say it ,,, lol

  • John Lilleburns ghost

    So what we have here is that one group of scumbuckets want to get the D or R removed because it gives them a percieved advatage and another doesnt for the same reason?
    Personally I think their should be no party affliation attached to a ballot because its your responsibility to think about your vote and besides the current 2 party system is a pale imitation of a democracy anyway.
    As for the right to vote issues theres an alternative. Voting should be compulsory if you dont vote you are fined and lose your rights (entitlements whatever). If you get to the voting booth and you dont like any candidate there should be a “none of the above” category

  • Idylewylde

    What Ben said was …”I despise non-partisan elections, mostly because I think candidates ought to have to wear their party affiliation like electoral Hester Prynnes.”

    Like Ben, I despize non-partisan ballots. I think we need to know what political vent every candidate holds on every political issue. That’s the whole*damned point of an election.

    But Ben also stated that a person should know more about the candidate than just the label. So, yes, he was knocking the Libs, and their RINO buddies, who spaz out over the label thing.

    An informed electorate is critical to democracy.
    An uninformed electorate gives us Dumbocracy.

    Know you candidates, or we end up with imposters in office .. you know, like Barry Soreto aka Barack Hussein Obama.

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      This is where I disagree with you. ” I despise non-partisan elections, mostly because I think candidates ought to have to wear their party affiliation” Why should they have a one of 2 “Party” affliation? You are saying you want the label so you dont have to think?
      “Like Ben, I despize non-partisan ballots. I think we need to know what political vent every candidate holds on every political issue” Again, instead of looking at their label why not look at their words and more importantly their actions. A congress of independent thinkers is what this country needs not the current group of lazy overpaid cabal members we have now. Lastly the whole point of an election is to select person(s) who best represents the majorities views on what they consider best for them, their family and country Nothing more.
      If you are in the minority after the vote either suck it up or move on.

      Your last 2 sentences of nonsensical ranting indicate you dont like this last principal.

      • Idylewylde

        Ghost of Lilliburn ,,

        Are you illiterate? Or pre-literate? You obviously graduated at the top of your bell curve in the no child left behind progream.

        I agreed with Ben that you should know everything you can about a candidate aside from party label. I research everyone before I vote.
        I also agree with Ben that a candidate should declare his/her political philosophy/party .. that way I can measure job performance.
        How is that not thinking?
        Yet, that is what you acuse me of.
        Clearly, you are the one incapable of thinking something out reasonably, logically, and rationally.

        You want a Congress of independent thinkers without political affiliation?
        What complete hogwash. Only an idiot buys into that fairytale.
        A politician who claims to be an ‘Independent Thinker’ is just sidestepping responsibility to the voters … no accountability at any level .. and a gullible moron falls for it every time.

        I’ve probably been voting longer than you’ve been alive. I’ve seen all of the promises. I’ve seen all the frauds. I want up front party affiliation and accountability from anyone who runs for PUBLIC office.
        That’s not asking too much from people who want my vote.
        Why should they hide anything from me? Why would they?

        As to Independent .. that’s what I am.
        I’m not Republican or Democrat. I vote for the candidate based on qualification.
        If they run as an Independent, I research to see exactly what that means in their specific case. I check their track record and affiliations.

        If I find myself in the minority suck it up and move on???
        That was your remark, was it not?
        You contradict yourself at every level with that remark.
        How can there be a majority or minority without party labels, if everyone is a Free Thinker with no labels?
        That is political chaos.

        You are a moron. I dread to think what you base your vote on.
        Fortunately, you are the minority .. so suck it up and move on.

        • John Lilleburns ghost

          Sir you are querying my comprehension not my literacy. Literacy pertains to my ability to read which I can obviously do. Do yourself a favor and stop using words you dont understand especially when calling out names. I may or not be a moron but I know what it means to be lierate unlike you. Your own combination of ignorance and arrogance reveals you to be a f**kwit. I suspect that investigation would reveal a link between the length of time you have been voting and the decline in American political sense. All being old means in your case is that you have been stupid a long time. Congratulations you must be very proud
          As to the minority comment that was related to your comment about the illegibality of the president, whom you want to call Barry Soweto( a pathetic childish comment at best) You didnt vote for him so he is an illegitimate choice seems to be your point. This indicates that you either fundementally fail to understand the democratic process or are so delusional that you think you are the majority of the american people

          • Idylewylde

            Had Barry Soweto been vetted properly, there would be no Barack Hussein Obama in the White House.
            That failure falls not only upon the DNC and the media, but upon the RNC RINOs .. the clique that held power before the Tea Party started changing the power structure in the Republican Party.
            Parties are there so that politicians can be vetted. We, the public, don’t like surprises, and Obama was certainly a nasty surprise.

            In a very short time span, the Tea Party has redefined RNC politics. It will continue to do so because the Tea Party vets the candidates.
            This means that it is not a hodge podge of ‘independent thinkers’, but a united force with a solid platform, coherent goals, and an eye to the future.
            This means that, even if Obama wins the presidential election, he will likely be facing an RNC majority in the Senate and the House.
            As an Independent, I have sense enough to vote for this outcome.
            This means that, despite your furvor for your own candidate, it is not the end of the world if Paul isn’t nominated.
            This means that, if your candidstae is nominated, it is not the end of the world for me.
            Even with that one flaw I mentioned, even if I wrote him off as my own choice, if he emerges as the Party candidate, I’d vote for Paul any day of the week before Obama.

            What I find interesting is that, despite Paul’s one weakness .. the only one I listed .. that you question my judgement in this one, and only one area. I did not criticize any other point about Paul. But, rather than posit anything like a sensible, factual rebuttal that would diprove my opinion, and sway me to Paul, you went on the attack with a childish snotty remark.

            You do not comprehend the forum of debate based upon the rules of reason, logic, and rationality, or you would have applied them.
            You are all opinion, and no fact, backed by zero experience in the one area that I criticized Paul.

            Of course, I might be wrong. It may be that you are simply young, inexperienced, over exuberant, and disrespectful of adult opinions … which is far more typical of the Left these days.
            You have no sense of political balance.

            If you are young, I excuse you.
            If you are not young, there is no excuse.

          • Idylewylde

            Darn it .. posted the wrong one for you Lilliburn .. I was arguing with someone else … That’s the trouble with paste and post.

            However, everything I said about vetting Paul actually applies here.
            It’s esentially the same argument.
            Labels are important because they clarify positions.

            Without commitment to labels, it’s like buying something that claims to be generic, and maybe isn’t. Like Paul pretending to be a Republican and failing to prove it.

            Without party affiliation, the ‘independent thinker’ can blame it all on everyone else if he/she doesn’t get their way. No accountability at the personal or party level, or to the public.

            Your argument is the argument of the Anarchist.
            This is the same argument I’m having with a Paul supporter on another blog.

            You are either very young, with no life experience, so I can excuse you .. or you are not young, and there is no excuse.

            You preach Anarchy.
            Labels preclude Anarchy.

  • Patriot II

    abd

  • FWO21

    I find it hard to understand why there are people on here that will defend Obama when he hasn’t even given us the respect we deserve by proving to us, he has a “right” to even be in the White House??? He has spent millions of dollars fighting that so he doesn’t have to prove anything to us… NO ONE else would have gotten away with this. Is it because he is “black”???????????? McCain did not hesitate when he was asked to prove he was an American citizen.

    • Paula

      Just the other day Obama admitted that deep down he is lazy, gee you think.
      They added up all the rounds of gold he has played since becoming President and it came to 3 month (that’s one month for each year).
      In his interview with Walters, he blamed congress for why he has not been able to get anything done. What a lie, and Walters sat right there and never called him on it. In his first 2 years both the House and Senate were controlled by democrats and Obama had free reign. Oh he got a lot done. He gave away trillions of tax payer’s dollar. He got Obamacare passed even though more American do not want it. He loves playing the blame game, I bet in his whole life he has never taken responsibility for any thing.

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