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The Best Comments On The Worst President

April 30, 2010 by  

The Best Comments On The Worst President

My, my, you are certainly a contentious bunch. Thus far, more than a thousand of you have clicked the reply button to my column two weeks ago on The Worst President Ever. Your remarks have run the gamut from the sublime (those that agree with me, of course) to the ridiculous (the worst president in history was the first one George Washington?).

I just spent the past couple of days reading every single one. Yes, even the ones that ran more than a full page IN ALL CAPS! Oh, the sacrifices I make for my loyal readers.

Hey, folks, I know you feel pretty passionate about some of these issues. And I love that so many of you enjoying commenting on what you’ve read—or what some imbecile before you said. But trying to shout in email really doesn’t work—it just makes your comments hard to read. Please, turn off the all-caps key before you start typing.

But definitely keep those cards and letters coming. Or at least the emails. The comments sections are one of the best-read parts of Personal Liberty Alerts. I wouldn’t change that for all the rice in China. In fact, I’m going to quote from several in today’s column.

What got me started on the subject was a visit my son-in-law and I made to the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, D.C. He pointed out that Franklin Roosevelt laid the cornerstone for that majestic building. I remarked, “Isn’t it ironic that one of the worst presidents in history dedicated the memorial to one of the best?”

This led Micah to ask me who else I would number among the worst presidents ever. I surprised him by saying I wouldn’t include Barack Obama—at least not yet. Let’s let him finish at least one term (hopefully his only one) before guessing what history will say.

That left the rest of my list: FDR, Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton and (to the surprise of many) Richard Nixon. But the absolute worst, I said, was Woodrow Wilson. You can explore my reasons in the original column; I won’t repeat them all here. Click here to read it.

An overwhelming number of you wrote to say I had made one huge mistake in that piece—my exclusion of Barack Obama from my “five worst” list. In fact, many of you were outraged that I didn’t put him at the very top. Lee Ann spoke for a lot of readers when she said “anyone with a brain” would know that.

Interestingly, to many of you he doesn’t even deserve to be called Barack Obama. He’s B.O. Or Barry Soetoro. Or a lot worse. Thanks to a pretty tough spam filter, the most intemperate comments don’t get posted. But there sure are a lot of ways to be (relatively) polite while you say something nasty about our Teleprompter-in-Chief.

You may be surprised to hear that not everyone who reads Straight Talk can be found on the right side of the aisle. Hannington Okello wrote: “Barack Obama? You have got to be kidding yourself! He is and will be the best president America has ever had and one you wish could rule forever.”

Gee, Hanny, I think you kind of gave yourself away there, with your “rule forever” comment. How long before you demand that we serfs gently tug our forelocks as we bow to every bureaucrat and say, “yes, massuh”?

But Mr. Okeno has at least one ally in our comments section. Che King wrote to say, “President Obama will go down as America’s best president even before he finishes his second term.” Hate to rain on your parade, Mr. King, but I don’t think Obama will be in the Oval Office in 2012. Not after Jan. 21—unless he’s a guest of the new president.

Christopher Huber had a perfect rejoinder for the Obama idolaters in the audience. “Whatever drugs you are on,” he replied, “I want some.” Nicely put, Chris.

So who else did our readers nominate for the “worst of all time” list? There was a spirited debate lasting for many pages on the various demerits of Jimmy Carter vs. Bill Clinton. Bill made my original list, Jimmy did not. I will admit there was much the peanut farmer from Georgia did to embarrass me while he wore the title of the world’s most powerful leader. But being a sanctimonious, hypocritical, weak-kneed wuss isn’t enough to make my top five.

Several readers claimed that Bill Clinton wasn’t bad enough to deserve that honorific, either. But Lynette insists they didn’t know what they were talking about. Listen to this lady’s rant:

“Bill Clinton was one of the biggest drug dealers this country has ever known! He has been bringing in cocaine from Mena, Arkansas for years. While he was governor and while he was president. Watch The New Clinton Chronicles for a real eye-opener.”

I didn’t mention any of that. Or Whitewater, or Vince Foster, or even the unbridled ambition of his First Lady. All I know is that I was ashamed he was the leader of my country. I was delighted when he was impeached and sorry when he wasn’t found guilty and removed from office.

I thought my inclusion of Richard Nixon in a “worst ever” list would have many of you rushing to straighten me out. But in fact, most who commented on his appearance agreed with me.

No, the Republican president an extraordinary number of you loathe and despise is George W. Bush.

There are some of you who believe that GW personally conspired to bring down the towers of the World Trade Center. I guess the fact that 27 fanatical jihadists, armed with box cutters and other weapons, took control of those airplanes was strictly a coincidence? I like a good conspiracy theory as well as the next man. But this one is beyond absurd, as far as I am concerned.

RK denounced one contributor with the comment, “You are as stupid as the Tea Party.” (Did I mention that many of my readers enjoy insulting each other?) He then added, “The list of the worst president should read as follows: #1 George Bush, #2 George Bush, #3 George Bush.”

Apparently RK liked his comment so much, he posted it twice. Sharon added that since he only named three, she wanted to add two more: “#4 George Bush, #5 George Bush.”

At least some on the left have a sense of humor.

One who does not is Debo, who wrote that, “You might be watching too much Fox News. You and your ilk are not qualified to question the competency of the president of the United States.” Gee, do you happen to know Hanny Okello, Debo? Maybe I could introduce you.

In addition to George Bush, two other Republican presidents came in for an inordinate amount of reader-bashing. One didn’t surprise me—Abraham Lincoln. Many readers wrote at length, with eloquence and passion, about why they felt the Great Emancipator belonged on the list. Several said he should top it.

Jesse put it succinctly: “Lincoln prosecuted an illegal war against the Southern states… [that] resulted in the deaths of over 600,000 men on both sides.” This was more fatalities than we suffered in every war since then, he added.

You may be surprised to learn that many Americans consider Abraham Lincoln a terrible president. I’m not. I’ve read enough to know that these critics have some powerful facts to buttress their arguments. (See Thomas DiLorenzo’s Lincoln Unmasked: What You’re Not Supposed to Know about Dishonest Abe and The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War.)

So who was the other Republican a number of readers disparaged? None other than Ronald Reagan.

I have to say, the unbridled vituperation many of you exhibited against the Great Communicator did surprise me. I’ll be the first to admit that as president (and before that, as governor of California), Reagan did many things with which I disagreed. More to the point, he did not do many things he promised he would—such as abolish useless cabinet agencies, reduce the cost of government, balance the budget, etc.

But being wrong or ineffectual didn’t make him evil. On the positive side, he brought the United States a new respect around the world. He said many of the right things—and he said them more eloquently than any president since the Founding Fathers. (And unlike JFK, he wrote most of the words he spoke.)

This triggered a provocative question from one of our regular correspondents. Beberoni asked: “Once I saw for myself what Ronald Reagan did, I ran as fast as I could from the Democrat Party to Ronald Reagan’s conservative party. I now wonder why the Republican Party has run away from Reagan’s conservative party. Why wouldn’t you continue a successful thing, when he showed them how to do it?”

Maybe they will, Beberoni, maybe they will. We’ll know this November.

And with that folks, I’ve run out room for this month. So let me close by encouraging you to join this fray once in a while. Read some of the comments at the end of my columns. Or if you’re a real glutton for punishment, read them all. And then join them yourself.

Unless you do, you won’t know why at least some loyal readers want Franklin Pierce, or Rutherford Hayes or James Buchanan added to the “worst ever” list. Or why one insists the top spot must go Dick Cheney.

As I said, my readers are a contentious and cantankerous lot. God bless you, each and every one.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    So the legions of Obummer doubters will have to live with a dash of ‘fair and balanced,’ I’ll simply say that the current prez has distingushed himself by not getting America into an interplanetary war with another civilization – yet. Other than that, Obummer is acting like a closet Republican, as he made so much money for last year that he needs to be seen as filthy rich.
    The best way Obummer can atone for that is to see that his vast wealth is re-distributed so the downtrodden and destitute will know he gives a damn about them. And, he needs to make a serious contribution to help heal Mama Earth. All those long flights he’s made to other countries left gigantic carbon footprints around the world. So is he or is he not a stinking, filthy rich closet Republican? I DEMAND to know.
    {best regards from the channeled spirit of saul alinsky}

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      CLINTON PRAISE-WITH PLEASURE
      GDP–rose from 6300 to 11,600
      NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion–took 20 years to grow 2500B before Clinton
      JOBS CREATED–over 22 million–record by far
      AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS–$360 to $478
      AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED–never hit 35.0–hit that  mark 4 times in 80′s
      UNEMPLOYMENT–from 7.2% down down down to 3.9%
      WELFARE TO WORK—11,533,710 on federal roll in 1996 and 3,880,321 in 2007.
      MINIMUM WAGE–$4.25 to $5.15
      MINORITIES–did exceedingly well
      HOME OWNERSHIP–hit all time high
      DEFICIT–290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS
      DEBT—-+28%—300% increase over prior12 years
      FEDERAL SPENDING–+28%—80% under Reagan- who da true conservative?
      DOW JONES AVERAGE–3,500 to 11,800  all it’s history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
      NASDAQ–700 to 5,000—all of it’s history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
      VALUES INDEXES– almost all bad went down–good went up in zoom zoom zoom
      FOREIGN AFFAIRS–Peace on Earth good will toward each other—Mark of a true Christian–what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
      POPULARITY—highest poll ratings  in history during peacetime in  AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE even 98.5% in Moscow–left office with highest gallup rating since it was started in 1920′s.
      STAND UP FOR JUSTICE–evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught— ONE— very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
      BOW YOUR HEADS–Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton’s character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world.
      THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.

      • Nana44w

        Pres. Clinton was prevented from doing more damage than he (and Hillary) wanted to when Newt’s Republican ‘Contract with America’ was brought into the fray.
        Aside from anything else he did, pro or con, the WORST thing he did was to coarsen our national discourse. Thanks to him, our children came to believe oral sex was alright because it wasn’t really sex..huh?!?! He did more to destroy the morality of this nation than most all the others combined.
        Today, we have kindergartners who use 4-letter words with ease and seem to understand what they’re saying, pre-teens who want to be pregnant by age 13, teens who dress like hoodlums and sluts, and our drop-out rate keeps going up..and up…while our test scores go down.
        You say I can’t blame him for any of this? Well, I can and I do. Our presidents are supposed to set a high moral standard for our nation. If they aren’t prepared to do this, they should stay out of politics.
        Unfortunately, the lack of civility has spread into the halls of our Congress where supposed ‘gentlemen’ can no longer logically address the needs and concerns of the American people.
        Too long..I know..I’m hushed..Praise the Lord and God Bless the USA and Israel.

        • ceberw

          Politicians as our role models for morality? What planet have you been living on?

          • kate8

            Prior to Clinton, presidents were held to a higher standard. All politicians were. (Now, only republicans are.) Not that they didn’t engage in immoral behavior. They certainly did. It just was not made public. The media had an understanding that they just didn’t go there.

            Clinton’s reckless and flagrant behavior proved that the perceived moral character of our leaders IS important.

        • iowaheretic

          You obviously don’t know much about Newt Gingrich. He had more affairs than Bill Clinton did, and also bragged about how much he loved getting “oral sex” and his favorite was having sex on top of his desk(so that would make it sex at work,wouldn’t it?. Clinton stayed married while Newt dumped his wives(married 3 times)saying they were too old and ugly to be married to a person like him! Now he writes books called “Rediscovering God in America”. What a hypocrite!!! As far as damaging these so called “morals” of the youth of America, they said the same thing about Elvis, and leather jackets, and ducktails, and miniskirts, and ect,ect,ect,bla,bla,bla. Maybe we could find an archaeologist that would unearth something a caveman scribbled on the wall of his cave(carved in stone)on how to live your life,and then live according to that,making it into law, teaching it to our kids for generations to come, and pretending it is “ABSOLUTE TRUTH”! And then the “rulers”of us all could keep getting away with the same things that they are getting away with, because everyone is only focused on who is having too much of a “good time”.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            Newt wasn’t the pres who should have been paying attention to the Biin Laden issue instead of getting his pole polished in OUR whitehouse. Any corporate president would have been fired on the spot. The distraction hurt our nation beyond just it’s reputation. Now our kids think oral sex is ok. When 4th graders talk about it, the damage is more than you know. Forget the goodnight kiss, now a BJ is in order, cause it ain’t sex…. SAY WHAT?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            iowa,
            He stayed married because his wife was as bad as he is!!! did anyone hear about Martha Stewart??? Nuf said!!!

          • bb

            “Newt had more affairs than Clinton?” What fantasy land do you live in? I DON’T care about the sex. The government is corrupt and stealing our money.

        • Smilee

          Is it possible to take anyone serious who does not think oral sex is OK!

        • James

          Nana44w, Why would you praise the anti-Christ. John wrote: “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the father and the Son” (1 John 2:22). When John said ‘Jesus is the Christ,’ he was saying Jesus is the Messiah, the promised incarnation of God.

        • eyeswideopen

          Nana44, now you are blaming a President, because parents don’t wash their childrens mouth out with soap when they start cursing? Since when has it been a Presidents job to parent others children? You Republicans take no responsiblity for anything, not even parenting. Doesn’t it seem odd, that everything is always someone else’s fault??? Denial, denial, denial. If you hear a kindergarten cursing, look to the parents not the President. Which President was responsible for your kids cursing, drinking, having sex, skipping school … etc??? Grow up and stop the ridiculous blame game.

      • crystal.glass

        Two names — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

        • Derek Neuhauser

          That comment about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is more ACCURATE
          than you realize. You have to go back to Video Clips of
          Maxine Waters and others to see that THIS was the ROOT CAUSE of
          our Financial MELTDOWN in our country. At the same time Waters and other Democrats were PRAISING the “Wonderful Job” the heads of these two organization were doing … in giving HOUSES to Blacks … WHO COULD NOT AFFORD THEM!! It hasn’t been published as to what percentage of the FORECLOSURES in this country could be attributed to that one campaign … which by the way was helped along by Bill Clinton (our first “Black President). John McCain and other Republicans TRIED to put a stop to it … but were shouted down by the WELFARE STATE champions.

          And look where we are today! Our national economy is in the toilet and going down even faster …while Obama and this Democrat Congress are spending more than our children and grandchildren CAN EVER REPAY!!

          But, minorities can still get housing, and get special incentives to go to schools (that nobody else gets). And on top of that they can NOW get FREE HEALTH CARE!!!!

          Do I hear “Distribution of Wealth!”?

      • refuse2lose

        I think you suffer from “selective memory”so let me add a few more accomplishments that Clinton is reponsible for
        MONICA LEWINSKY….I swear I did not have sex with that woman
        WACO….cost alot of people their lives
        BOMBING SOMALIA,AFGHANISTAN…..cost hundreds of thousands of civilians their lives(who counts when a liberal pushes the button)
        RWANDA,IRAQGUATEMALA…..sanctions Clinton forced on these countries starved children and adults,killing thousands(who counts when a liberal puts a lock on the cupboards)
        I could go on but I think the point was made….Clinton was not the knight in shining armor all the liberals with selective memory like to let us think he was

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          R2L,

          Kudos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • James

          Refuse2lose, I would agree that President Clinton was probably the most immoral president, but he did balance the budget, and even left the next president with a considerable surplus. What is more important, money or morals?

          • dee

            james, if morals are high, money will follow.

      • Wordwaryor

        On the negative side of Clinton….. the First boming of the WTC… Clinton did not recognize it as terror attack, prosecuted it as a normal crime (and invited 2nd attack). The attack on the Liberian embassy. (Clinton did nothing). The attack on the USS Cole (Clinton did nothing). He was too busy with Monica to bother. There were a few other attacks on US interests during his Presidency and he did NOTHING…. NOTHING…. NOTHING….

        Clinton helped push forward the Sub Prime Mortgage crisis. His appointment to head of Fannie Mae was Barney Franks live in lover, and was instrumental in fanning the flames of sub prime mortgages. These were the poison pill, that coupled with Wall Street’s turning them into Mortgage Backed Securities (derivatives) caused the Total Meltdown of our Economy. (Thanks to Bill Clinton and Wall Street)

        He lowered the moral standard and sullied the office of President. He lied under oath. He deserved to be impeached out of office, but at least he was impeached.

        • BigBadJohn

          What did Reagan do when the marine barracks were suicide bombed? He cut and ran.

          Not saying Clintons actions were right, but Bin Laden was not directly implicated until late in his second term. By that time the republicans had his hands so tied that lobbing a few cruise missiles was about all he could do.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            “the republicans had his hands so tied ”

            Uh, no. Monica had his dick tied up.
            Typical womanizer, power hungry ass-hole.

            And he brought it all on himself, and us as well.

          • http://naver samurai

            What about that chemical weapons plant in the Sudan? Oops! It was actually an aspirin factory. What did Clinton do when the U.S.S. Cole was hit by terrorists? How about the World Trade Center, Kobar Towers, screw up in Somalia, our going to Bosnia which wasn’t needed? How about the people that were involved with them in the White Water scandle mysteriously dying because of their involvement?
            Dude, make sure you have your facts straight before you post!

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Mary Thiessen

          I second everything you said about Clinton and his adminstration and what happen during his Presidency.

      • http://microsoft MD

        Is this the same Bill Clinton that was a pot smoking draft doger? Is this the same Bill Clinton that had the morales of an alley cat? Is this the same Bill Clinton that was disbarred for lying? Is this the same Bill Clinton with Janet Reno mudered women and children at Ruby Ridge?
        Oh he was something.

        • marvin

          MD you did not say anything about waco texas where clinton and reno murdered by fire inocent babies [great america]

        • http://?? Joe H.

          MD,
          Yup, and it’s the same Clinton that demonstrated against this country on foreign soil!!! In England when he went to Cambridge!!!

      • Tom

        Please thank the Republicans and Newt Gingrich, who stopped Clinton’s socialist spending and evil continuation of the Roosevelt, Carter, Johnson destruction of the USA. Clinton was along for the ride and forced to balance the budget by good Republicans. We will try to vote them back in with some good independem=nts this year and save the Union from the great pretender; B. Hussein Obama.

        • BigBadJohn

          Agree Tom, too bad GWB wasn’t limited by democrat majorities.

          I have always contended that our government just works better when all of the power is NOT in one parties hands.

          • Jeep

            Is this an actual admission that the current “owners” of the house, the senate and the white house might be screwing up? Or, at least that this is a bad thing?

          • BigBadJohn

            Jeep, yes that is an admission that having all power in one parties hands is a bad thing. Bush’s first six years are proof.

          • Jeep

            ooohhh, good one John…and, you managed to blame Bush too! Well played!

      • Richard Pawley

        Life in these United States has been and is more than just about money. While some might have sung “Happy Days” were here again, at least in a financial sense, during the Clinton years there are other considerations than just Gross Domestic Product in considering who made great decisions and therefore deserves consideration as a great president. To his credit Clinton was more of a realist than some presidents, not an ideologue who forced his will upon the population no matter what. Consequently he will go down in history as greater than Obama when such things are discussed in future history classes (if such discussions are allowed in the future of the Brave New World that President Obama and the 111th Congress are trying to create). That being said there are other things that need to be remembered that are not often mentioned that took place during Clinton’s presidency. Some of the growth that took place was a result of the policies that were established during the previous presidency, that of George Herbert Walker Bush. There always seems to be a time lag for many reasons. The same could be said for some of the spending by Congress during the administration of his son. Secondly, some of the growth during Clinton’s presidency was due to inflation. Sadly, it was also during the Clinton Administration that the banks spent over 300 million dollars ‘lobbying’ and got Congress to rescind generation old laws (in 1999, and Clinton signed off on these) that kept the Federal Reserve and it’s owners from causing another depression. Once freed from the restrictions of things like The Glass-Steagall Act that restricted what some banks could do it took only 8 years for the owners of the Fed to cause the beginning of another much longer Greater Depression that is still being called a recession by those who have little foresight into what their actions will result in down the road of time. What has begun could well last a generation if the current congress remains in power. Presidents come and go but it is Congress who controls the laws and the purse strings. Most forget that while the depression that began in 1929 was essentially world wide it was over in much of the world long before it was over in the USA due to the tinkering with the economy by Roosevelt, Congress and the FED. Their efforts to help were a mixed bag that allowed what became The Great Depression to last a decade whereas the previous depressions of 1907 and 1920 were soon fixed by the economy itself with minimal government interference. Financially times were good during Clinton’s administration regardless of all the distractions. However, aside from allowing the banks the freedom to do whatever they wished and thereby having a part in the present financial difficulties (remember that time lag) Clinton’s minimal response to all the attacks against the United States during his administration was the impetus that persuaded our enemies that we were just a paper tiger (to use a phrase from a previous generation). One of the intercepted phone calls between Osama bin Laden and his henchmen involved a great deal of laughter wherein they joked that if they attacked the United States IN the United States the most that we would probably do is sue them. Since the meaning of life means little to these people they were truly shocked when the new president, George Bush, took seriously the act of war on the US and responded in an entirely different manner than Bill Clinton had done. It is not for me to honor or condemn either of these two presidents. History will judge them as it will us all. Rather than living in the past however, we need to be concerned at how much worse things could get in this country. If we do not replace most of the members of the 111th Congress this November they could get a lot worse. FDR increased taxes a great deal to pay for all his social spending and thereby extended what could have been just another depression into becoming the Great Depression. It appears that the 111th Congress is doing the same and if they succeed in hindering the economy with new taxes (often called something else so as to deceive the public – Cap and Trade called Energy Savings and VAT and many more all cooked up to pay for Health Care and so much more). If we cannot stop this current tax, borrow and spend philosophy then this current recession could become the greatest financial crisis this nation has ever experienced. I said so in my 2006 autobiography and I have seen nothing to convince me that anything has changed.

        • Janice

          Very intelligent, well-articulated post! Thank you! The lag time you mention seems to be the reason we flip flop from Democrat to Republican. Each president gets blamed – or gets credit – for things done by the previous administration because citizens don’t realize that effects of a president’s policies are often not apparent for several years. Clinton is a prime example, as you explained. Just wait a few years and we’ll see the results of Obama’s actions. One thing I can’t understand is how people think the folks who gave us the miserable failure Cash for Clunkers can be trusted with health care!

          • BigBadJohn

            Yes Janice we will have to wait a couple of years to see the affect of Obama’s policies.

            However until then we are suffering the effects of Bush’s policies.

          • http://naver samurai

            BigBadJohn, we are suffering from this president’s ineptness and inability to do his job. How much of the Constitution will he shred before “We The People” stop him?

          • BigBadJohn

            Samuri, I am not an Obama fan, But I do believe he deserves a chance.
            BUSH shredded the constitution also – where was you anger/frustration at that, or do you not realize that he even did it?

            The democrats and Obama are having a difficult time getting anything passed. Republicans have taken the stance “screw the country we need to make Obama look bad.” Politics at its worse. The democrats spent all of their political capital to get health care passed and they did it in spite of the fact that republicans would not take part in serious discussion about it, the only thing they would offer was tort reform.

      • Leonidcat

        NAFTA, free trade with China, repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, the housing debacle where everyone needed to won their own home, Vince Foster, ah – the list goes on so not sure what version of history you are adhering to.

      • Ken

        Think of how much better the stats would have been if we had a President and administration that was actively involved in steering the economy. The old golf addage of “better lucky than good” applies to Clinton. The country is still recovering from the Mortgage crisis caused by Clinton, Reid, Frank, Pelosi policies to push Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to load money to people who had little or no ability/ inclination to repay. I won’t mention the embarrassment of the humidor or the jizz dress, ’cause it would be too easy. Slick Willy has fooled more people than even the peanut farmer.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And if you believe all those fuzzy numbers that the Clinton admin themselves gave you, God help you man. The guy was the worst thing that ever happened to this country. He sold the union’s job to Mexico, which might be a good thing, but I doubt it. He sold our technology to China. He raised taxes more than any sitting president ever. He cut our intelligence agencies down to such a skeleton that Arabs ran all over this country, took flying lessons, and blew up the World Trade Centers because we had no one to monitor or catch them. He cut our military in half and left us vulnerable, and we still havent caught up yet. He sank the banks with his backing bad bank loans via Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae funds, while allowing his top ranked democrats who ran it to write their friends million dollar checks like drunken sailors. He even tried to steal the White House furniture for God’s sake man. What the hell is the matter with you. He is the worst of America, white trash with money. All he cared about was scoring with every woman that crossed his path, and left this country in shambles for George W. Bush to clean up. Get over your anal fixation with Bill Clinton. The guy was a leper.

        • Texas Vet

          Right on Beberoni!

          T.

        • usmadgirl

          Beberoni,

          Well said!!! He is a disgrace to our country!

        • http://none Alex

          Hey, you sure are silly!(offensive words removed)? GWB did not clean up anything! Are you insane? Their are 5000 American families and 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqi families who have lost someone dear to them because W. allowed 9-11 happen despite prior warnings and than attacked a nation that had NOTHING to do with the tragic events of that day. FIVE THOUSAND dead young Americans (and rising, because President Obama has refused to bring them home—but, hey, the corpses still belong to George Bush and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and the evil Chaney) because of the stupidity of our WORST president ever—GW Bush. The next two horrible leaders were also Repubelickers—Dick Nixon and Ronald Raygun. No question about that. But the best or worst presidents of this Evil Empire are of little importance to me nowadays—any of them lead a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, militaristic, class-fractured, capitalist creep cuntry that has visited more ecological harm on our only home than all other nations combined. The only cuntry to EVER drop atomic bombs on sleeping children (and for that Truman and Paul Tibbits & his Enola Gay crew & and everyone else associated with the two most HORRIFIC and EVIL terrorist attacks in history are now burning in Hell—Oh yes, even you know that, if you believe in a Hell)So screw this wretched Evil cuntry– I hate it, and have since I was about eleven and was able to see through all of the b.s.
          Hear’s a poem I wrote for people like you:
          I retch allergic to the rag
          of the White Estates of America
          and to the repugnance for which it scams
          abomination under God
          indefensible
          with Librium and pustules for all

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Alex,
            If you hate this country so much, why not leave? Or did you swim the river to get here?? Why don’t you leave and go to a REAL killer like China, or Russia????

          • kate8

            OMG. Talk about racist hate speech.

            If you love it so much more in the middle east, I suggest you return.

          • bb

            I’m sick of hearing “racist”. BO is out of control. That’s why we need smaller government. Keep the military, FBI, and half the CIA. Don’t put anymore people on social security, medicare, public housing, and get out of the public education. Privatize everything. Maybe then they can find the 150 billion in fraud. Oh yea, eliminate about 1 billion trial attorneys.

          • http://naver samurai

            Alex take your bleeding heart and leave the country! Those 5000 dead aren’t dead, they’re heroes! Did you at least have the guts to defend this country? “Service, honor, and duty to country!”

          • NM

            WHY DO YOU STAY?? CHINA OR KOREA, NORTH THAT IS WOULD WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS.

          • Meteorlady

            He Alex – you speach is an insult to all of us that have to pay for the likes of you with welfare, food stamps, years of unemployment benefits, subsidized housing and free health care. Since you live off of us you could at least show some respect for the hand that feeds your sorry a**.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Alex – I’ll do you one [poem] better:

            I retch allergic to the nag
            Of the Alex brand of America
            And to the repulsion for which he stands
            Abhorrent toward God
            Reprehensible….and
            Without liberty and justice for all others

          • john

            All I can say is don’t let the door hit you in the ass, when you go to where ever you think is a better place.

        • Carol

          You forgot his closing of our military bases on the west coast leaving those of us living here wide open to invasion.

      • KevinBrooks

        Clarence Swinney,

        How about you take a look at Clinton’s policies that caused all that and look hard. Strange they look exactly like Reagan’s policies. I will give Clinton credit for one thing and that is recognizing what works and continuing down that path, but the policies were not his own. He simply duplicated what a greater mind already thought of.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          If you think Clinton’s policies were the same as Regan’s, then you are the biggest idiot in this country, even worse than Biden.

      • Robert Moon

        Sorry Dude, but Clinton did everything in his power to screw things up. The great economy was due to the Republican Congress. The best thing Clinton did was make people despise democrats so much they put the GOP in charge of both houses of Congress after the first two years. Once the GOP passed the tax cut the economy started humming again. Clinton came in with a good economy, slowed it down by raising taxes and started a mild recession. It was the policies of Reagan who lowered the income taxes and Capital gains taxes who started the longest economic expansion in history 1983-2009. Everything Clinton takes credit for was achieved by the Republican Congress. You can look at today’s economy to see what happens when democrats have total control. It happened when Jimmy Carter was president and it’s happening this time only worse.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Clarence, you forget:

        No Less Than SEVENTY TWO Violations of the UNITED STATES CODE:

        The President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, is both responsible for his own personal acts in office and for those appointed by him when he appears to tolerate the misconduct of others under his governance. When apologists for gross injustice insist that the American people are unable to offer “specifics” of laws which appear to have been violated by the President’s administration, the People respectfully submit the following references, publicly known which involve:

        Bribery, Graft, Conflict of Interest and Other Violations of Public Trust:
        (18 USC 3), Accessories After the Fact. The White House knowingly comforted and/or otherwise hindered apprehension of those who violated campaign funding laws, some of whom have evidently fled to foreign countries.
        (18 USC 4), Misprison of Felony (Having knowledge of, and approving, numorous felonies committed by his staff in the White House, i.e. the raiding of Vince Foster’s office after his death, the illegal solicitation of political funds by Gore and others, etc.)
        (18 USC 13), Assimilative Crimes Act (Actions and practices promoting anti-competitive combinations in violation of the appropriate anti-trust statutes).
        (18 USC 201(b)) Offering A Bribe (Hush money to Webb Hubbell)
        (18 USC 201(c)), Seeking or Accepting A Bribe, and (18 USC 1957), Hobbs Act (Though Maggie Williams and others, Clinton and DNC sought and received millions of dollars from Shady contributors like Charlie Trie, Wang Jun, Jonny Chung, Pauline Kanchanalak, and many others in exchange for policy decisions favorable to their business interests in Asia.)
        (18 USC 201(d)), Offering a Bribe to a Witness (Hush money to Webb Hubbell)
        (18 USC 201 (e)), Seeking or Accepting a Bribe as a Witness (Whitewater, Cattlegate)
        (18 USC 201(f)), Offering Gratuities or Graft to a Public Official (Hush money to Webb Hubbell)
        (18 USC 201(g)), Soliciting or Accepting Illegal Gratuities (Vice President Gore)
        (18 USC 201(h)) Offering Gratuities to a Witness (Hush money to Webb Hubbell)
        (18 USC 201(a)) Seeking or Accepting Illegal Compensation (The White House’s campaign through the media to obtain donations to “legal defense” slush funds)
        (18 USC 203(b) Offering Illegal Compensation to a Government Employee (The White House creation of “legal defense” slush funds)
        (18 USC 205) Illegal Activities in Connection With Claims (Whitewater affair)
        (18 USC 207 (a)) Conflict of Interest by Former Employees (Webb Hubbell taking large pay-offs from special interests with ties to US agencies.)
        (18 USC 207 (g)) Illegal Activities by Partners of Federal Officers (First Lady actions in the Heath Care “reform” process banning the publicfrom meetings and participation provided under the Sunshine Act, and the Administrative Procedures Act.)
        (18 USC 208(a)) Acts Affecting a Personal Financial Interest (Whitewater, interference with RTC investigations).
        (18 USC 209(a) Receiving Dual Compensation (Clinton “Legal Defense” Funds)
        18 USC 210) Offering to Procure an Appointive Public Office (The Clinton reelection campaign, indicated its readiness to make government appointments based upon non-merit factors of race, gender, and national original as part of a scheme to obtain votes).
        (18 USC 211) Soliciting to Obtain Appointive Public Office (The Clinton reelection campaign, indicated its readiness to make government appointments based upon non-merit factors of race, gender, and national origin as part of a scheme to obtain votes).
        (18 USC 211) Accepting a Fee for Federal Employment (The Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee appointed ambassadors and others based upon the monetary (“soft money”) contributions made by the nominee. i.e. M. Larry Lawrence, Mr. Hormel, etc.)
        (18 USC 371) Conspiracy to commit any offense against the United States (i.e. all the felonious “foreign” fundraising from White House property.)
        (18 USC 607) Use of a public building to solicit political funds. (Vice President Gore, and possibly others, abused the public trust by political hawking from the White House. President Clinton urged political fund-raisers to offer the Lincoln bed-room as a prize for contributions).
        (18 USC 1905) Disclosure of Confidential Information (Cronies of the White House carried government secrets to foreign interests).
        (18 USC 1916(1)) Unauthorized Employment (Persons such as Roger Altman, a disgraced Treasury Department official, where “‘hidden” in White House jobs permitting them to receive public compensation while performing private, and personal agendas and John Huang, who recieved a dubious security clearance and held a top-level post at the Commerce Department.)

        Theft, Loss, Misuse or Wrongful Disposition of Government Property:
        (18 USC 641) Larceny of Government Property (The unaccounted for disappearance of public papers from the office of Vincent Foster following his unexplained death).
        (18 USC 643) Failure to Account for Public Money (The task forces and advisory committees on health care).
        (18 USC 641) Receiving or Concealing Stolen Government Property (Documents were hidden in the White House which belong to government agencies and investigators).
        (18 USC 643) Failure to Deposit Federal Monies (Moneys received for renting rooms in the White House were not deposited in the US Treasury).
        (18 USC 648) Misuse of Public Funds by Custodians (The use of public funds to employ persons who perform non-public duties, such as political advance men, legal staff used to obstruct justice, and public relations).
        (18 USC 654) Conversion by Federal Officers or employees (Taking the funds received for use of Federal property and failing to deposit them in the Treasury, as required by law).
        (18 USC 663) Wrongful Solicitation or Embezzlement or Gifts (Receiving political campaigns in the White House. Solicitation and acceptance of “home owner’s” insurance payments which appear to be gifts from a powerful industry. No other example of the payment of such a “claim” could be found by experts in home owners insurance.)
        (18 USC 1719) Misuse of Franking Privilege (Its use by non-governmental officials at the White House and questionable mailings during the reelection campaign season).
        (18 USC 2314) Interstate Transportation of Stolen Property. (Documents taken from the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas and transported to the District of Columbia).

        Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Practices:
        (18 USC 1962(a)) Investing Racketeering Income (Vincent Foster trips to various off-shore banking facilities).
        (18 USC 1962(b)) Acquiring an Enterprise Through Racketeering (Whitewater, Castle Grande, Clinton “Legal Defense” Fund, etc.)
        (18 USC 1962(c)) Engaging In Racketeering (also Stephanopolis’ Nation’s Bank real estate grab, etc.).
        (18 USC 1962(d)) Conspiracy to Engage in Racketeering (Whitewater, Castle Grande, Clinton “Legal Defense” Fund, Cattlegate cover-up).

        False Claims, Contract Frauds, and Related Offenses:
        (31 USC 1341(a)) Obligating in Excess of Specific Appropriations (Health Care Task Force activities.)
        (31 USC 1342) Wrongfully Accepting Voluntary Service (John Huang fund-raising episode).
        (31 USC 1517(a) Obligating in Excess of an Apportionment (Health Care Task forces).
        (18 USC 443) Wrongful Destruction of War Records (Destruction of Federal records at the universities in Arkansas regarding Mr. Clinton’s shameful evasion of military service).
        (18 USC 874) Receiving Kickbacks from Public Works Employees (Certain labor union political funds gathered on behalf of the Clinton administration).
        (18 USC 51, 54 Taking Illegal Kickbacks (Clinton “Legal Defense” Fund).
        (15 USC 1) Contracts and Conspiracies in Restraint of Trade (Secretary of Commerce and Secretary of Agriculture and Transportation busily promoting private companies, even selling seats on business trips in official aircraft.)

        Obstructions of Justice:
        (18 USC 1503) Influencing or Injuring Officers, Jurors, or Witnesses (Employees of the White House were intentionally set up by the FBI, forced to undergo public defamation, suffer enormous expense. The President failed to see that justice be done to the perpetrators of these vile, cowardly and heinous outrages).
        (18 USC 1505) Obstruct o an Agency Proceedings (Interference in the RTC investigations and the FBI Foster investigation).
        (18 USC 1510) Obstruction of Criminal Investigations (White House actions under the supervision of the President involving the disappearance of evidence, tampering with a homicide investigation, failure to cooperate, providing false and misleading statements in the matter of the death of Mr. Vincent Foster, and Obstructing Ken Starr’s investigation as related to Monica Lewinsky and other women.)
        (18 USC 1512(a)) Threatening Victims, Witnesses or Informants (Attempts to interfere with the actions of Congress in reimbursing the White Travel Staff for their legal expenses, and Pressuring Monica Lewinsky to Lie Under Oath.)
        (18 USC 1512(b)) Harassing Victims, Witnesses, or Informants (Actions against the victim Paula Jones to obstruct her access to justice).
        (18 USC 1513 Retaliating Against Victims, Witnesses,. or Informants (The sole purpose of the Clinton “Legal Defense” Fund appears to have been to smear, oppress and injure Mr. Clinton’s victims particularly so as to deny them the exercise of their rights as victims seeking justice and redress of grievances).

        Perjury, Fraud, and False Statements:
        (18 USC 494) Falsely Making, Alerting or Forging a Public Record (The arbitrary persecution and defamation of the White House Travel employees).
        (18 USC 494) Uttering or Publishing a False Public Record (Few official statements of the President would appear to be fully truthful).
        (18 USC 494) Transmitting a False Record to the United States (Papers made available to the FBI in the Vincent Foster investigation were incomplete in spite of assurances that the White House would fully cooperate with law enforcement investigations).
        (18 USC 494) Falsely Making, Altering or Forging a Document (Clinton income tax-returns indicate factual discrepancies. Clinton fails to report donation he receives for “Legal Defense,” though any other citizen would have to report such income for tax purposes).
        (18 USC 495) Uttering or Publishing a False Writing (Repeatedly the reports by the White House in response to inquiries and disclosures resulting from the work of Independent Counsels have been proven false, misleading or deceptive).
        (18 USC 495) Using a False Writing (Cover-up “ethics” statements issued by the White House counsel).
        (18 USC 643) Concealing or Covering Up of Material Fact (Documents found in the White House which had not been produced in spite of a lawful subpoena).
        (18 USC 1001) Making or Using False Statements (Statements regarding various scandals; Cattlegate, Webb Hubbell, Paula Jones Deposition, etc.).
        (18 USC 1002) Possession of False Papers (FBI frameup documents of White House Travel employees).
        (18 USC 1016) False acknowledgment (Response to the subpoena by investigator agencies failing to disclose that documents were being retained unlawfully).
        (18 USC 1341) Mail Fraud (Fund raising by the White House under various pretexts, disguised as “non-partisan” activity).
        (18 USC 1343) Wire Fraud (The use of the White House fax machines to promote oil and gas schemes by the Tung gang).
        (18 USC 1621) Perjury (Testimony in the Paula Jones, Vincent Foster matters, Monica Lewinsky Affair).
        (18 USC 1622) Subornation of Perjury (Webb Hubbell, Monica Lewinsky Affair, and others)
        (18 USC 1623) False Declaration before a Court *Clinton’s close testimony in Whitewater related trials).
        (18 USC 2071(a)) Tampering with Public Records (As Attorney General of Arkansas, Mr. Clinton’s office obtained Federal military records from an ROTC officer in Arkansas. These records have never been returned to United States custody).
        (18 USC 2071(b)) Wrongful Handling of Public Documents (Documents “misplaced” in the White House. Secret documents provided to political fund raisers, etc.)
        (18 USC 2073) Making False Entries in Public Accounts (The misappropriation of US property to facilitate political party and campaign activity).
        (18 USC 2314) Interstate Transportation to Defraud (Unlawful campaign fund solicitations and activities performed under the guise of “official business.”
        (5 USC 552) Privacy Act of 1974 (Clinton officials Craig Livingstone and Anthony Marceca illegally possessing and disclosing thousands of FBI files or former goverment employees and private citizens.

        Relevant Violations of DC Law
        (DC Code 22-1112) Indecent Exposure & Lewd Proposal—Kathleen Willey, Monica Lewinksy, et. al.
        (DC Code 22-4106) Misdemeanor Sexual Assault—Kathleen Willey, Monica Lewinsky, et. al.

      • lilacnrose

        It was Reagans years that set Clinton up for prosperity. Reagans tax cuts had already started to work to bring us out of the recession, then Clinton got into office. He was forced to bring the welfare moms to working moms because of his GOP dominated House and Senate. Ultimately he was just there for the Monica Lewinski show and tell, and so on….

        follow this link http://prorev.com/connex.htm

        The Clinton Administration takes credit for many achievements during this time. Most notably is balancing the budget. Having come out of the Regan and Bush Administrations where spending was not really monitored, our nation had one heck of a budget deficit. Under Clinton, the budget was balanced. However, history tends to ignore the fact that two years after Clinton took office, Republicans took control of Congress for the first time in 40 years. Think about it, Democrats control Congress for 40 years and the deficit gets out of control. Republicans come in and in 4 years balance the budget. They tried to add an amendment to the Constitution that required a balanced budget, however Clinton exercised his veto.
        Clinton also takes credit for the job creation and economic health that resulted in the 90s. Most of this can be traced to the tech bubble, which popped about the time George W. Bush took office. While times were good during Clinton’s years, they were not because of Clinton. Because of the burst and fallout later, times weren’t even as good as we thought they were. Add in historically low interest rates from the Fed and no president can take credit for economic health.
        Clinton was overall an effective president, winning favors from both sides of the political aisle. He left office with a 65% approval rating, which is very high. While I don’t believe any one person can be responsible for so many things, Clinton should get credit for inspiring innovation, encouraging economic expansion, and cutting taxes for the middle class while raising the taxes for the wealthy.

        • Meteorlady

          Wrong on one point…. per the US Treasury website, on the day Clinton left office there was a 17.9 billion deficit. The budget he signed for the first year of BWB’s term left a deficit of $133 billion and change. So, once again if Clinton and the media say it enough it must be true but it isn’t. Clinton did some accounting magic in which he counted SS money – take that out and rightly so – and you have a deficit.

      • http://naver samurai

        I don’t know where you got 3.9%, but that’s not true. I remember the unemployment rate under Clinton bottoming out at 5.6% and Bush was 5.4%. Please get your facts straight!

      • Mike In MI

        Mr. swiney -

        FEDERAL SPENDING – High under Reagan; Lower under Clinton. Well, duh!
        I remember all of Reagan’s budget proposals being trashed before they even left his office. They were declared,”Dead on Arrival” by the legislaters. Then the Democrats and progressive Republicans in the House and Senate gatherred round the pork barrel in a feeding frenzy. On one hand they castigated him for the tax cuts, which worked immediately to increase business’ activity. That led to increased government revenues which they spent as fast as the money rolled in. Then Dems reviled his administration for a spending spree and being tough on international enemies. They hated to see their Soviet bretheren so quickly dispatched – without a war for them to hoard windfall profits off.

        Clinton, on the otherhand, and Robt. Rubin changed the banking and securities laws. Thus enabling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to become money funnels to various “Community Organizers”. This was orchestrated by Bawnie Phwanque’s boifwend Fwankwyn Wains and together they applied their reprobate minds to MAKE lenders throw prudence and trainloads of cash to the winds. This all ignited the fuse on the ’90′s expansion for Clinton’s Goodtimes Charley Bubbles dance. Finally, the Bubbles all blew all to hell when Bawnie’s deadbeat buddies couldn’t or wouldn’t (Sinniter Chris Dodd) pay the mortgage. (So we paid the lenders for the deadbeats. Remember, mr. swiney? Really makes for good times doesn’t it – Democrat Economics?)

        So, this is the sortta’ sordid Clintonesque Burlesque that up tempoed Bill’s Bubbles dance. Since his whole mal-administration is founded on this your whole set of statistics doesn’t mean squat to me or any other honest person. Maybe that’s why it’s so valuable to you.

        Just as an add on: Bush inherited the benefits of Slick Willie’s foreign affairs finesse – like, attempts to ignore or befriend gentlemen like bin Laden and Al Qaeda, who would as soon cut your head off as do their noon prayer session (and will some day if Barry gets his way). Both are service to their god.

        Like you said, “BOW YOUR HEADS” – at the waist, before Bawnie and Bill

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Clarence Sweeney,

        Being a character, does not make…..a person of character.
        No, Bill didn’t whimper during a crisis……he just lied…..ref: “I did not have sex with that woman”… LoL.
        You just keep thanking God for “characters” like Bill Clinton. I’ll just keep praying to God that he help us all become people of character, integrity and faith.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        ALL IN THE POSTING THAT YOU POSTED IS TRUE ALL GREAT,BUT ALL THE PLUS FACTORS YOU STATED WERE WIPED OUT BY ( NAFTA) THE CROOK GAVE AWAY AMERICAS INDUSTRIES TO THE WHOLE WORLD,SO WHAT GOOD DID HE DO? HIS LEAGACY TO HIS TIME IN OFFICE, MASSIVE UNEMPLOYMENT,THE WORST SINCE “THE GREAT DEPRESSION” THAT GUY WAS NO LESS THAN A WHITE COLLARED TRAITOR TO EVERY PERSON IN THIS NATION.TELL EVERYONE HERE IF I POSTED SOMETHING UNTRUE.I THINK ITS TIME THAT BOTH PARTIES NEED A GOOD HOUSE CLEANING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.BECAUSE ALL THE OVERPAYED MONKEYS,HAVE BURNT THE HOUSE DOWN AND NOW ARE COMING BACK TO RAISE MORE HELL IN EVERYONES LIVES WITH MORE CRAZY IDEAS.LIKE AMNESTY,I NEED AMNESTY FROM ALL THOSE MORONS DESTROYING MY NATION ( THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) . PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT WE NEED TO GO PAST PARTY LINES AND UNITE AGAIN AS ONE PEOPLE IN PROTECTING THE NATION WE CALL HOME.

      • Cathy

        How can you say “Clinton” and “character” in the same sentence?

      • David

        Clarence the Clinton worshipper, all you did is to make the point that “Reaganomics” worked WHEN Reagan said it would, 8 years, and crashed after clintons managed to tax, spend & regulate the rising wave into oblivion. The clintons economy was tanking in the last year of his free ride. Take a look at the charts.

      • http://aol.com John Pickett

        You forgot one thing! It was Hillary not Bill. Remember he was busy with Monica. The rest was the best Trickle Down Economics that Hillary could have asked for! That came from Reagan! Ole Bill, Ole Bill, where has doesn’t even deserve the title! Him or his brothers, Al and Barry!

      • kenneth

        I thought it was the Democrats who said this year that a president doesn’t have the power and control to change everything and that we shouldn’t hold Obama responsible for changing the impossible. Somehow we are to believe Clinton made all of what you said possible. I think what he did was get out of the way so the country could do what it can do when the government isn’t fing it up. If he had his way we would be would of been dealing with what we would of call Clinton care just as we are now dealing with Obamacare. Nice try with the convincing part. He will in my opinion will be the president who toke advantage of a young intern in the oval office. He probably wanted to up one on JFK.

    • William Nealey

      you sound like an idiot,

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        The biggest idiots are those that call people names without specifics.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Oh I don’t know, william, He makes a lot of sense to me!!! Oh,
        And lets not forget theft of siver from the whitehouse and when caught said” We thought those were ours”!!! Yeah right!!

        • kate8

          And the gifts from foreign dignitaries to the WH, the furniture and the piano….what a visual.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            Yeah, especially IF either of them can play an instrument, it’s a wash tub with a stick and string!!!!

    • marvin

      sc less see pelosie multi millionare, reid multi millionare ragel multi millionare i could name a hundred more liberal dens but obama is a left wing liberal multi millionare

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The democrats are all rich guys. Their wealth is huge compared to any Republican. So how they get away with suckering the so called poor into thinking they are on their side, I dont know. And how the blacks vote for them, I dont get that either, especially since the democrats were adamantly against freeing slaves, and even still employ Ku Klux Klansman Robert “Sheets” Byrd, who somehow wins his state with the majority of black votes. How does this work? Unbelievable.

        • Texas Vet

          Beberoni — you are so right. The Democraps are scamming oligarchs.

          T.

        • kate8

          Beberoni, it’ called ENTITLEMENTS.

          Along with a lack of proper education.

        • Kandy D

          Byrd and every other rep. or senator who gets elected in this state (and most others)have had life time jobs. And then everyone cries and laments about the terrible things that are happening in DC. Maybe this year some of the people will finally wake up and actually remove some of these lifetime CAREER POLITICIANS!

          • Meteorlady

            You must be counting on them suddenly getting smart?

        • Cathy

          Poor people have been voting for Democrats for over 50 years…and they’re still all poor, in fact, most likely POORER!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Marvin,

        Funny how that works huh? Very strange how Obama thinks others have made enough money…..hmmmmm…wonder if he plans to return the money from the sale of his books……and better yet…..wonder if he plans to tell his friend Oprah, she’s made enough money and Buffett that’s he’s made enough money…and to just “stop it now”? LoL…..The left doesn’t want anyone but themselves to prosper, be it via money, power or both! That’s why they continually suck up to warped leaders of other countries….(power).

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Fed Up Gal,
          I want to see him tell bill Gates HE’S made enough! could bring the nation to a standstill!!!

        • usmadgirl

          Fed Up Gal In NM,

          I wonder if O-dumbo will make Al “the Earth’s Core Is A Million Degrees” Gore share his newly-purchased almost $9 million house with a bunch of freeloaders? I guess making enough from the “Global Warming” lie to pay $9 million for a house is “not TOO much money” for the elite to earn! Hypocritical thieves!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H / usmadgirl,

            Yeah….let’s all hold our breath on that one…LoL.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Madgirl,
            Freeloaders? How about about 150 illegal aliens!!!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H / usmadgirl,

            A little off topic, but thought I’d just share this “Census” moment that occured this [Sunday] evening. A friend invited me over for dinner and to watch a movie this evening. Let me just set the scene for you: Around 7:15pm, a Census worker comes through my friend’s courtyard gate (never rang the bell, I saw her out of the corner of the window…not sure if she was ever planning on ringing the bell or not). Anyway….I told my friend who did not have the same visual vantage point I had…”Hey….somebody’s hanging around in your front yard.” She thought I was kidding, so I said…I’m not kidding….there’s a stranger just standing in your yard. You’d have to know my friend to appreciate the conversation exchange that ensued. Suffice it to say, my friend opened the door and about scared the bajeebies out of the Census worker. I have to give that Census worker credit…LoLLLLLLLL…she kept trying her best to get as much info as possible from my friend. My friend must have told her 3 or 4 times….”I have company, not to mention 7:00 pm on a Sunday evening…you’ll just have to come back I guess”, and she shut the door. My friend was so ticked….and now she’s going to make a complaint. Let me tell you….now that’s a reality show I’d pay good money to see, and I got to see it for FREE!!!!!!!!!

            I apologize…it was difficult to type this, with a straight face. I’m still busting a gut…

          • Cathy

            To FedUpGalinNM…what exactly is your friend going to complain about? The census worker was only trying to do her job. Is there something off limits about it being a Sunday evening? And also what is wrong with the 7pm thing? Your friend had company? So what?

            Maybe your friend should know that it is mandatory to respond to the census. I know it’s a pain in the butt, but it is in the Constitution. And if she would have mailed it back in, she wouldn’t have had a census worker coming to her home. So whose fault is that?

            Her complaint will go nowhere.

          • Fed Up Gal in Nm

            Dear Cathy,

            Obviously, you mistook my post to think I actually believe her complaint will go anywhere. I believe as you do….her complaint will go nowhere. However, unlike you…I do see the humor in this Census mess. You also must have missed the part about a stranger hanging out in her front yard. Why did the Census worker not ring the door bell? It does not take 5 minutes to walk from a gate through a small courtyard and ring a door bell. Was she planning on receiving my friend’s Census data telepathically?

            Personally, I think the information most people submit is not accurate anyway (reference the POTUS himself); additionally, any stranger going to someone’s home on a Sunday evening after 7:00 pm is not only rude….they deserve similar [dis]respect. I’ve not mailed my Census form in yet either; I will mail it in…on my time table….not Obama’s time table, not the Census bureau’s time table…and certainly not your time table.

            You’re also right about it being the law to complete and return the Census form. Well…..illegal immigration is against “Federal” law…and I don’t see Obama, or anyone on the left actively trying to “persuade” illegal aliens to leave the U.S. and come back when they can do so “legally”.

            As far as I’m concerned, it’s a shame when a U.S. citizen’s failure to fill out a form (timely or otherwise) is somehow more egregious than someone crossing into our country “illegally”….

            That’s why I find the Census “data-dig” humorous on the one hand….and intrusive and needless on the other hand. You apparently completed and returned your Census form timely. Good for you; give yourself a gold star.

          • libertytrain

            Fed Up – excellent response —- I hadn’t thought about breaking the law by not sending in my census on time – (though I did – all right I didn’t answer all the questions) and it’s ok to break the law by coming here illegally – Brilliant.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      Obummer is so good that there is a question as to whether the United States will still exist at the end of his term. Its so close that the odds makers have it even up. Then we will really know who the worst president is. But all you liberals may take heart, for if he doesn’t produce that ‘Birth Certificate’, that he claims he has but has spent over two million dollars in campaign funds for lawyers to keep from having to show it, to back up the ‘Certificate of Live Birth’, that some say is a forgery, then you can honestly claim that he can’t be counted as the worst president since he never was qualified to be president in the first place. So hope still exist in a Federal court in the state of California presided over by a retired USMC judge that won’t throw the law suit out at the request of the Obama attorneys (he has kept some people off the unemployment roles after all), but the judge claims since being a requirement in the ‘Constitution’ to be eligible to become president, the American people have a right to see it and Mr. Obama has an obligation to produce it, since even the state of Hawaii will not accept a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ as to where and when someone was born. To bad it has to be a retired USMC judge to assume the responsibility that actually is that of the Congress and the FBI. We all already know that Congress is inept, but even the FBI can’t seem to do their job either, for to root out forgeries pertaining to the highest office in the country isn’t the FBI’s job, then whose is it? All one has to do to determine if it is a forgery, is to compare it to the actual and mythical real ‘Birth Certificate’ that mr. Obama claims he has. But whose job is that, the FBI isn’t doing anything. And if someone does actually get to see and compare these two documents, shouldn’t the ‘Birth Certificate’ be made public to quell the curiosity caused by Mr. Obama by hiding something that should have been made public and spending millions of dollars to keep it hidden, and for what reason? Does he really have an American ‘Birth Certificate’ and was he really born in the United States, because if not then he can’t be the worst president ever, according to the ‘Costitution’ he just doesn’t qualify.

      • Pat R

        Randy:

        Why would the CIA try to get info on Obama; He worked for the CIA from 1981 to 1983. It is their duty to protect him! (Therefore Obama is above the law,[so he thinks]). There is so much Obama has been involved in; anyone else would have been long extinct!! Training with the Taliban in Pakistan, training Al Qaiada, attending Patrice Lumumba, in Russia. Just some of the things Obama has done!

        http:atlah.org/atlahworldwide?/p=3230

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Pat R.
          Because he and P-lousy made the mistake of trying to make them look bad and even supported charges against them!! He thinks they are powerless to do anything about it!! But if they get the right information, he won’t seem so smug about it!!!

        • Mike In MI

          Pat R – Randy said nothing about the CIA. He said, “FBI”. The ones who protect Obama are the Secret Service officers assigned to his detail.

      • Smilee

        Randy

        NO FACTS, ALL RHETORIC, NO LONGER AN ISSUE, PAST HISTORY,

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Smilee,

          Maybe so, but only in that vast empty cave of a mine….I mean mind, you continually put on display.

      • eyeswideopen

        Randy, you just keep yourself all tied up with that conspiracy, it is good for the rest of us if you are off on some idiot escapade. Please put more effort towards that issue.

      • kenneth

        Amen to that.

    • DI

      it’s the obumbler….. not obummer…..

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Or Odumber

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DI,
        Hey, I’ve been calling him Obummer since before he was elected!!! I’ve earned the right!!!

    • bb

      I hate to say it but there are more rich dems in congress then repubs. The dems earned it by rigging the tax code. Al Gore’s scam has given him 200 million and a non green 10 million house on the coast. Why do we put up with this corrupt large government? How many new government agencies has this chicago hack created so far: 170 ????

    • bb

      I hate to say it but there are more rich dems in congress then repubs. The dems earned it by rigging the tax code and government regulations. Al Gore’s scam has given him 200 million and a non green 10 million house on the coast. Why do we put up with this corrupt large government? How many new government agencies has this chicago hack created so far: 170 ????

    • Anthony

      Apparently, the Writer would rather not disppute the evidence in the Documentary: Loose Change. Personally, instead of avoiding it, I’d like to see his credible evidence that makes the Documentary look silly. Not just a bunch of decoy excuses, either.

      The bottom line on all of this – is the Federal Reserve is teh Monopoly that controls our money supply and without this Central Bank and their secret machinations, this Country held up pretty good from the days of Andrew Jackson until Woodrow Wilson. A comment was made a long time ago, by these Central Bankers:

      “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”

      Even the writer had better give credit where credit is really due. I’ve always been a big fan of Reagan. But, he could have gone to the people when the Bilderberg Group and the CFR told him he HAD TO take Bush 1 as his running mate. A story that is seriously no longer contested unless you prefer to remain sheeple.

      THE FED is a Monopoly. It pays NO TAXES whatsoever (in the Bill).
      THE FED has never been audited. You can google up Greenspans comments about the FED on YouTube – check it out for yourself.

      So, this nonsense that Clinton or Obama brought great wealth to this nation is a total crock. It took a lot of trickery behind the scenes to put the Derivatives into play during the latter part of Reagan’s 2nd term and Bush 1 has his fingerprints all over that. Along with Volker and Kissinger. Talking CFR here. When Clinton re-wrote the Fannie Mae parameters, the Housing Bubble had no where to go but BUST. And, trust me, Clinton did this Country NO FAVORS when he signed NAFTA AND GATT – that’what ran almost all of our production factories overseas.

      Worst Presidents EVER? Those that did the financial damage to this Country. Another sad fact is Alexander Hamilton is now seen as a Pro Central Bank Agent, even though most of us were taught in school that he’s considered the Father of Wall Street (buried there, too). Try reading Hamilton’s Curse.
      Woodrow Wilson brought back the Central Bank – thanks to Rockefeller, Morgan and Warburg. The Federal Reserve Bill was written by Bankers and not Politicians. We’ve been under that boot for a hundred years now. Go check Montana and North Dakota, the only two States who still have Banks that are NOT a part of the FED System. Check what their financial situation is like.
      I’m not a Bush fan – Grandpappy Prescott Bush was a member of the Federal Reserve. His son, Bush 1 and Bush 2 are lifelong friends with the Bin Laden Family and it gets worse.
      But – from my perspective – those Presidents that did the financial trickery are the ones who have destroyed families with job loss and it was LBJ that reversed JFK’s decision to walk away from Vietnam – another situation never meant to be won, only prolonged. Why? For the Bankers to profit from.

      The writer gives tooo much credit to Obama. Waay too much.
      Hard to swallow fact? Bush 2 is one of only three Presidents to ever give the People a tax cut. JFK and Reagan were the other two. Try reading Exec Order 11110 – and not on Wikipedia, either.
      What did Carter (I mean, Paul Volcker) give us? 21% interest rates and gas rationing.
      What did LBJ do? He allowed over 55,000 of our service men to die needlessly at the behest of the Banking Cartel – THE FED, who stood to make billions in profits from loans to the Government. It’s no joke and it’s not conspiracy. Go look over the financial damage LBJ did as well. He was supposed to have two terms. That was the real plan. I’d like to find out why he suddenly walked away. To be a fly on that wall.
      What did Clinton do? He swapped the SS money into the General Fund and then called the Budget balanced. He also raised taxes on those monies. I do not know a Democrat Politician who doesn’t like to think of himself as Prince John of Nottingham. Seriously. That’s all they do is RAISE TAXES, or try to get away with not raising taxes, but leaving in place what is – then try to say that’s a tax cut. Another crock. Clinton restructured FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC with their Mission Statement and allowed Mortgages to be grouped as stock swaps on Wall Street. He did this by negating Glass-Steagall.

      So – let’s don’t go all gaga about the Dems – it’s your wallets.
      I already said I wasn’t a Bush fan – but at least he dobled whatever Clinton gave to Louisiana for the Hurricane protection man-made Reef rebuild. And, yet the DEMs in power down there made sure almost none of those monies went to that Project. They were the Party in Power.

      You want jobs back? It may be too late. I didn’t see one Libertarian name on the Primary ballot this time around.
      There certainly and seriously is.. NO …Left/Right Paradigm
      The only way we get our Country back … is to End The Fed.
      The Constitution says: Only Congress has the right to “coin” money.
      Yet, our Politicians, 100 hundred year ago, outsourced that process – to a Monopoly that they, the same politicians, now have to dance to – no matter what.
      The Writer had better go back to school – a real one this time.

  • American Liberal

    4 decades of Reaganomics put us in this recession… So Reagan and George W.Bush still are the worst ever…Reagan for his economics and Bush for all the deaths he’s responsible for along with tanking the economy…

    • CJ

      Am Lib, face it… no matter how much you say it, you can’t change history. Get over yourself and deal with the current situation. History can’t be changed and complaining about it doesn’t make you a better person. We can only go froward from our current position. By the way… the real problem started WAY before R.R. And, if you knew ANYTHING about economics, well, you would have little to say. Thanks for keeping us entertained. You can’t spend your way out of a hole, and liberalism will never learn that fact.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Well said, CJ… American LIberal can only comment about things that have already happened and cannot be changed. Hindsight is always 20/20. Too bad AmLib can’t have that kind of clarity for the future.

        Obama will go down as the worst president we have ever had. Hopefully we will be able to ‘right’ his wrongs!

        • Doc Sarvis

          History, that is the point of this whole topic. American Lib. got it correct 20/20 by your statement.

          • CJ

            Doc, you’re not looking back far enough. Am Lib hasn’t said anything accurate, only misdirected.

          • Nancy

            why is it that conservative presidents are always the bad guys? Dis you have to actually have to work for a living while we had a conservative president in office? For shame!!

          • DaveH

            Wow, Doc Sarvis rubber-stamps a Liberal statement. How unusual!

            We never had “Reaganomics”, even when Reagan was in office. He had a lot of great ideas (Libertarian Ideas) going in, and he was great at getting on the TV and exposing Congress for what it was, but very few of his ideas ever saw the light of day.
            Of course the Democrats were kicking and screaming at every cost cut he proposed, saying things like he was “cutting the budget to the bone”, when in fact government spending was still growing. All he had been able to accomplish was to greatly slow down the increases in Government Spending. But resistance from the Party of Tax and Spend is par for the course.
            His own party led by Bob Dole (who later tried to sell himself as a staunch conservative) hung all over Reagan like a pile of wet rags. Reagan was almost alone in his efforts to reign in the Federal Government. Considering that, he did an excellent job.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH. you are so full of it. Your own Cato Institute lackeys have made numerous statements about how horrible Reagan was. You are joking. I have posted those statements a total of 10 times, so I know you are aware of the ones I am referring too. Reagan was the beginning of big government for this country, and had the largest deficit, even compared to todays dollar. Just keep pushing that Pres. because you think he was partical to you Libertarians. If he truly believed in the Libertarian ideals, he wouldn’t have grown the government the way he did….. shame on you for exploiting these people.

        • Doc Sarvis

          DaveH
          If you read what I posted you’ll see that I was assessing Robin from Arcadia’s comment. Robin f.A. implied that American Liberal had a 20/20 historical perspective. Quite a compliment for American Liberal.

        • marvin

          robin from arcadia hindsight maybe 20/20 but history is fluid if you are a liberal, by that if you take what someone said or did and only pick what you want to be the truth or a lie or good or bad, then if no one corrects you and take it as fact, then they make history look wrong point being never belive all of what is said or wrote in the case of am lib just take his post with a grain of salt he is a true die in the wool lift wing liberal like obama can not tell the truth and would not know the truth for it is not in them

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Thanks Marvin… Leave it to the liberals to turn things around and make a simple statement into something it is not.

          • ceberw

            Just one thing Marvin. Could you please try writing sentences? You know, those thing that end with a period.

        • Richard Pawley

          But that won’t mean anything if we don’t replace most of the members of Congress who support President Obama’s ideas of socialism. What America has always stood for is “equal justice” not “social justice”. Equal justice is a biblically inspired idea that is illustrated in the Constitution. “Social justice” is the cry of those who support the socialists and Marxists in the UN and in Congress. Congress must stop it’s insane spending and taxing and borrowing all it can. Since it seems as unwilling to do so as it is from keeping, not legal aliens, but ILLEGAL ALIENS from coming into this country, most of Congress must be replaced in November. We must not surrender to the idea that it’s hopeless and Congress knows best. They pass bills written by their masters and don’t even read them. They must be replaced or the United States as we have known it will cease to be. Voting this November could be the most important thing you do this year. May God bless America. No one else is going to do so.

        • American Liberal

          Robin…. Since I can’t comment on future presidents… I’m commenting on past presidents….do you realize how stupid your statement is concidering the title of this artical?… Now take your meds and shhhhhh….don’t you get embarressed being that dense?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            amalib,
            she reads your posts and all doubts in herself disappear! She realizes that she would have a long way to go to be dense like YOU!!!

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        1945-1980= best years of our lives
        1980-2008=best years of Rich Gambler slives
        EMPIRE DESTRUCTION—Rome-Spain-Holland-England-America???

        1980 to 2007

        IMPORTANT—No Reagan + Bush Tax Cuts we enjoy a $14,000 Billion surplus today

        20 years Conservative Presidents
        18 years Conservative Senate
        12 years Conservative House
        6 years Total Conservative Control

        Redistribution of Wealth to top 20%. From 1981-2008

        Folk! It was downhill slide for Middle Class.

        From 1945 to 1980 distribution was even. Each percentile increased in Income-Wealth almost evenly(percentage). Economist called it the Picket Fence Distribution. Reagan began Step Ladder Distribution with top step going into outer space.

        FACTS—numbers rounded-

        Financial Wealth owned by 1%
        1946—30% of Total Wealth
        1980—20%–a 33% decline due to Estate Tax and High Top Income Tax Rate.
        1989—37%–Reagan Tax Cut(60%) got Rich Increase of 80% of Total Wealth
        2007—43%

        2007—BAD NEWS AMERICA–
        1% owned 40% of all Stocks
        10% owned 80% of all stocks
        Bottom 30% owned 18%
        20% owned 93% of Total Financial Wealth
        In people terms–(30 Million=93%– vs– 120 Million=7%) A democracy?? Third World?

        Wall Street history before 1980 was to build American businesses and American jobs

        THENCE COMETH CONSERVATISM roll dem dice– 1920′s Deja vu

        1980-2007—1% Income Increased by 170%. 2500 Billion in Tax Cuts for them

        Most Major corporations are owned by WALL STREET RICH MEN CASINO

        In 1945, Corporations paid 35.4% of federal revenues and 7.4% in 2003
        In 2007, Corporations paid an average of 16% of profit in federal taxes.
        In 2000, 45% of corporations with revenue over 50 million paid NO federal tax
        In April 2010—Exxon filed to pay no 2009 taxes on Billions of profit

        Seven Wall Street Banks control 75% of all Bank Deposits in America.
        Two control 20%.

        Think that is not POWER???

        FACT CHECK

        In 8 years of Bush with 6 years of Total Control by so-called Conservatives

        BAILOUT—enriched Big Gamblers big time
        $120 Billion went to Wall Street Gamblers
        $18 Billion went to working class
        Food Stamp Families–Increased 90% from 1980 to 2005 to 40 million families.
        Shame on you America! Christ is crying!

        They (wall street rich) created a Net New Jobs of 31,000 per month under Bush.
        In the past Wall Street created jobs by using investors money to build new businesses and increase current ones to add jobs. Gambling creates no new jobs.
        Net Job Creation is take jobs created and subtract 2,300,000 sent to China under Bush 8 years

        25 Hedge Fund Managers earned over one billion each in 2009 and paid 15% Tax Rate.
        The income of 25 could have hired 658,00 new teachers.
        This was during Worst Republican Recession in History.
        Each “Significant” Recession in 20th was under R president.

        IRS data shows the effective tax rate on richest 400 is now 16%.
        Coal Miners Rate is 28%.
        Republicans scream cut it cut it cut it!!! Are they dumb or just insane?
        They enriched the Top 1% so much NYT wore-”Today, the Rich do not recognize the New Rich”
        It was not productive enrichment.
        Top 1% got 60% Tax Cut
        Gamblers Tax Rate cut for 28% to 15%
        Ultra Rich Estate Tax took huge cut
        Revenue Sharing tasferred off the Rich to Middle Class
        Killing Industry stock value zoomed for ultra rich
        Credit Card profits off Middle Class zoomed for Rich.

        31,000 jobs.Why? That is NET. You take the new jobs created and subtract the ones sent to China (2,300,000) during Bush 8 years.

        31,000! Wow!
        Twenty Years of Three so called Conservative Presidents created an average of 99,000 Net New Jobs per Month.
        Twelve Years of Carter + Clinton got 222,000 per month.

        Bush took over after Clinton had created 237,000 Net New Jobs per month.
        Reagan took Carter 218,000 net new jobs down to 175,000 per month.

        Clinton left Bush a spending of 1800 B Per Year.
        Bush doubled it to 3600 B.

        Bush inherited a 5700B Debt from Clinton.
        He took it to 11,900B
        His big borowing enriched the ultra Rich..

        Had he not given the rich Huge Tax Cuts he would have had a huge surplus.
        His Tax Cuts for Rich deprived Treasury of $8500B of Revenue.
        No Tax Cuts and Bush would have had a $2300B Surplus.

        20 years of 3 conservative presidents had this Horrible record.
        Took the Debt of less than 1000B after 200 years and added on 8000B.
        In 2009 they are spinning big time to blame Obama for huge debt.
        Conservatives will spend millions to coverup their Big Recession.

        Much of that 8000B Debt add-on went to WALL STREET GAMBLERS.
        How else did we go from 10 Billionaires in 1980 to 1100 (recheck this)in 2009???

        The people do not know what has happened to them.
        Shhh! Do not awaken sleeping Democrats.
        Wearing Wall Street Silencers $$$$$.

        Forbes list of 400 Richest reveals how many became Billionaires via corporate
        takeovers and Hedge Gambling- 403 Multi-Billionaires—Avg Worth 3B
        (1980=10Billionires)—-(1989=51)—–(2009=1100)

        Spectrum reports-7.8 Million families with worth over one million in 2009 up from 6.7 million a year earlier S&P up 68% over past twelve months—roll dem dice
        4,2% pay in top bracket. Earn $372,000 up to 2000 million(2 billion)

        How many Net new jobs created?
        Carter + Clinton=222,000 per month
        Reagan+Bush I+Bush II= 99,000

        2500 Billion in Reagan + Bush Tax Cuts= many Billionaires

        Right Wingers yell— Rich Pay most of taxes.
        Income Taxes!Yes! They have most of the income.
        From 1997 to 2001 the rich 1% took 24% of total national individual income “growth”
        CBO study of 2003 distribution of corporate profits—Top Income Earners-1% took 49%–5% took 76%– bottom 80% took 8%

        2007—1% got 23.5% of total individual income
        In 1977 Capital Gains Tax was 39.8% now 15%
        Republicans look out for Country Club/Wall Street po folks!!

        Tax Cuts have Consequences. Some Good. Some bad. Some Horrible.
        .Yet! Conservatives transferred much of taxation (fed-state-local) from Rich to Middle Class. Reagan elimination of REVENUE SHARING a disaster for Middle Class where taxes were transferred from Rich Income taxes to Middle Class in State and Local Taxes. Five Cent Gas increase. Tax on Payroll (SS)Income.

        Was it a Designed Act of taxation transfer by Conservatives.

        In 2008 the Middle Class paid about 30% of nominal Income in Federal-State-Local Taxes.
        Top 10% paid 30% also. Progressive tax system?

        Social Security Tax Increase in 1983 was it designed to hit the Middle Class and ease on the rich?

        Greenspan + Reagan + Democratic House + Republican Senate. Payroll Tax Increase on Middle Class.

        Was Destruction of S&Ls a deliberate act of wealth transfer from 400 local investors to individual Rich on Wall Street? Could anyone be that evil? Yes!

        Key actor Michael Milken became a Multiple (10) Billionaire with income of 550 Million in one year from raiding S&L deposits (plus) for his Rich Corporate Raiders on Wall Street.

        Raiders like Perelman(worth 10B) and Ichan(worth 10B) became multiple Billionaires.
        Sweat of Brow? Ho Ho. Coal miner pays 28% Tax Rate destructive investors pay 15%.

        Bush I had to borrow 140 Billion on 40 year bonds to pay for the raids on S&L’s by Wall Streeters.
        140B creates many Billionaires and Millionaires. Depositors money was used by those Corporate Raiders and bankrupted the S&L then the government pay off to depositors by Federal Deposit Insurance created Debt for Middle Class. Bush I said “Depositors will not lose one nickel”.
        Most had less tha $50,0 the guarantee by FDIC.. Rich got all. Sound like another Bush 2008 Bailout.

        The Tax Panel estimates that in 2010 the top 1 million with incomes exceeding $500,000 will earn 241 Billion more than 80 Million who will earn under $40,000.

        Three Imperilistic presidents involved in 9 armed conflcits to one for Carter + Clinton
        Invaded two of poorest nations on earth with no planes no tanks no missiles
        Other nations looked upon us the Big Bully..

        CHRIST, WHERE ARE THOU? Poor Poor Poor Poor. Care For The Least. Share Share.

        RAPE OF MIDDLE CLASS 1980-2007

        Same ideology gave us Great Depression now Great Recession.

        It is not a Depression due to:

        Democratic Social Safety Nets such as
        Social Security and Medicare and Unemployment Insurance

        Only the uninformed vote to send conservatives to Washington.

        Some type of Revolt will take place in next decade.

        Democrats will continue to allow Conservatives with their huge right wing talk shows spreading lies to blame them. Rush Dimbaugh is allowed 15 hours per week to spread his lies to gullible people.

        Democrats need a national Megaphone informing all the people as to what has been done and how they have been RAPED by a few million RICH on Wall Street who have taken their Wealth.

        I ask one thing.

        PROVE ME WRONG. With numbers and facts not usual vile name calling
        Political Research Historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush administrations.
        author-Lifeaholic-Workaholic to Lifeaholic success
        author-unpublished
        All American Party-How Democrats created a great successful Middle Class and how Conservatives are determined to destroy it
        Available fo Mean Lectures.
        Old ugly mean honest

        • DaveH

          Sorry, Clarence, but I’m not going to read your entire Liberal Rant. I will only say – what is keeping you or anybody else from achieving those richs? Who is keeping you from forgoing partying, studying hard, investing wisely, taking both personal and financial risks, and working long hours to achieve that wealth for yourself? Only the Government has the power to regulate you and prevent you from achieving greatness. And your kind wants to grow it even more powerful. How misguided.
          Study this list of Countries ranked by their Economic Freedom (that is, freedom from stifling regulations) and ask yourself “Do I want our country to be like Cuba or Zimbabwe or North Korea?”.
          http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

          Stealing the money from those who worked and sacrificed to earn it just to give it to those who didn’t will not improve our economy. It will only worsen our economy. Of course, the leaders won’t care, as long as they are on top of the heap. The real losers in the long run will be the very people who are receiving money for nothing and thus are going to be ill-prepared to take care of themselves in the ugly country that you and your Liberal buddies want to create.

          • William Lord

            If by economic freedom you mean license to defraud and steal from others, such as that Wall St, prefers, I would glady sacrific that “right”. But regardless of how wealth is accumulated a society cannot remain healty with such a disproprtionate division of wealth as seems to be occuring in America today. Remember when we used to criticize other countries as not democratic because of their concentration of wealth in the hands of a ruling class? Now we seem to approve of it in our own society. And by the way, the Heritage Foundation who created your index of economic freedom is not exactly an unbiased organization.

          • Dave

            Dave H. your argument is weak. Do those rich people become poor when they pay more taxes? Does someone who makes $7 Billion suffer from being taxed the same percentage as the guy who goes into the coal mine and gets the coal he makes his money from? Why do the people doing the work have to pay more in taxes than the people who own the company? Why does the rich person deserve to get tax breaks for having a lot of money already. Won’t the middle class person be more likely to spend the money and fuel the economy instead of putting it in the stock market or hiding it offshore? What about a rich person who is rich because they’re great grandfather worked hard to build a company that they just inherited. Then they run that company poorly and what do they do to maintain profits? They lay people off to keep up the bottom line. Then that hard working American has no health insurance anymore and no job. The worker did nothing wrong except not be born rich. Do you really believe that there would be 0% unemployment if those lazy bums would just get off their butts? You sound dilusional. What happens when you deregulate banks? The more you do the more people take advantage. There has to be some government intervention. Most people do not want communism in America they just accept the fact that pure capitalism with no oversight is flaud and unrealistic in the same way that communism is. You always need a mix to keep things moving in the right direction. What are the good ole days in your opinion? What are you afraid of losing?

          • DaveH

            Dave,
            Your rebuttal is weak. Those rich people invest much of their money in capital goods to produce more for our economy, while those poor, as you said, just consume.
            I’m in the middle of a game, so I don’t have time to comment on all your weak statements. Maybe later.

          • DaveH

            Okay, I’m back to address more of your bonehead comment. Of course Rich People don’t become poor when they are taxed. But they got there for a reason – They know what they are doing. They are the ones who give the rest of us jobs, real jobs, not negatively-productive jobs like Government creates with their regulatory apparatus. They may not become poor when taxed, but they very well might quit and enjoy their lives instead of providing jobs for the ignorant Liberals.
            By the way, the top 5% of the income earners pay 60% of the income taxes. That honor starts at $160,000. Hardly rich. The bottom 50% of the wage earners pays only 3% of the income taxes. Yet they get to vote equally for programs which in most cases are just plain wasteful.
            If you want to share their money, instead of stealing it through your Government Gang, why don’t you do something for them and earn it?
            As far as the people who inherit money from the Rich, that includes many of your heros such as Ted Kennedy. But that was their parents money, why shouldn’t it go to who they want it to go to? If it doesn’t go to their kids, and the Government makes the decision, it would just go to some undeserving other people.
            And banks have hardly been deregulated. In fact, it is just the opposite. Instead of Government keeping them on the straight and narrow, it was Government who coerced them to lend money to non-qualified borrowers which played a large role in the bubble and the collapse.
            In a Free Market, the consumer is the regulator. If they don’t like the product or price they shop elsewhere. We haven’t had a Free Market for a long time in this country. Instead Government passes regulations which stifle small businesses which can’t afford the Cadres of Lawyers and Accountants that Big Business can afford.
            Big Government plays right into the hands of those Rich people you envy.
            To call you “dilusional” (your spelling) as you called me would be mistaken. What you are is just plain Ignorant.

          • ceberw

            Dave,

            Having things like national health care does not make us more like North Korea. It makes us more like Canada Notice where they are on the list.

          • DaveH

            The road to Socialism has to start somewhere. What is more personal than the Government being involved in our healthcare decisions?

          • ceberw

            I lived in Canada for seven years (I had a job in Montreal). Unlike here, I never heard anyone complain about the health care. As for the argument that ‘it has to start somewhere’, Canada has had universal health care for decades and still ranks above the US on the freedom index you brought up to make your point.

          • DaveH

            CeberW,
            Kudos to you for at least looking at the index. If you pick the country links you can get more detailed information on each country. This one site is loaded with information about individual countries.

            Each country has its own set of policies and no doubt some positive policies will offset the negative ones. Greece, Portugal, and Spain are in deep trouble right now because of their Socialistic Expenditures. There is no such thing as free Healthcare, and my contention from my years of study and experience is that there is no more efficient mechanism then the Free Market where each individual chooses what is best without interference from any unwanted busybodies. Everything government does is more costly and for good reason. People with protected jobs don’t have to please you. If you think dealing with your doctor is a pain now, wait until he has the force of government behind him. You vill do vhat he says.

            This is the only real solution to the high costs of Healthcare:
            http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dave,
            If you want to champion a healthy tax on the rich that strive to do harm to the country, then I would be right beside you. But get straight in your mind who THEY are. Soross he has done so much to hurt this and other nations by artificially working the money of different countries, thereby hurting the country! The United States is one of those countries. The biggest mistake this country has made is let him get away with it!! Id also like to see a tax based on how much they produce and how stable the money stays from the fed!! Tax the fed out of exhistance!!! There’s two I would over tax!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            DAVEh. 64% OF WORK force is employed by small business. 8% is employed by Federal government (includes military). So, 72% are employed by other than the rich of this country. The rich do not create these famous jobs you speak of, or they would have jumped right in recently and taken care of this country without hesitation. Out of the 100 top companies, 82 DON’T PAY TAXES. Exxon for the second straight year didn’t pay any taxes. 2/3 of all business’ DO NOT PAY TAXES, nor does the rich employ the majority of the work force. You know better than that. The facts speak for themselves. Where are all new jobs the wealthly are creating for us???? Most of the new wealth has been created by dealing in money, not goods. We no longer have a manufacturing base in this country it was outsourced when Reagan started trying to get NAFTA passed. You might be able to con the uninformed on this site, but the rest of us, know our history and can admit that we have been conned by the conservatives/repubs.

        • Russ Kinsey

          Clarence,

          It sounds like you’re just angry because you didn’t invest in the market.

          1. It’s not wrong to invest and seek the best return you can. Jesus was angry with the servant that didn’t invest… The Parable of the Talents Mt 25:14-46.

          2. Jesus also said, “For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good;” Mk 14:7, so it’s up to you personally it’s not up to government to take and give… How much have you given to charity last year Clarence?

          So don’t be angry with people who have worked hard to earn money, invested that money that they earned (putting that money at risk I might add), and then profited from that as if that were evil. What is evil is the lazzy bums (and that’s what they are) who don’t work hard and don’t provide for themselves and their families. People who think they are entitled to what others have earned… now that’s evil!

          A wise man once said, “Make all you can, save all you can, and give all you can”

          • Dave

            So are you saying that anyone without a job is bum that never tried to get a job. I don’t agree with people gaming the system and not working because they’re lazy but they are the minority of people without jobs. Most have been laid off or lack the skills to get a job. There are millions pf hard working Americans without jobs right now. I have worked since I was legally able to. I’ve invested money and profited and lost. The generosity of your fellow man cannot be counted on to support you in times of need. Who decides who is worthy? Since religious intstitutions cannot be counted on to care for everyone than isn’t only right that the government help too? If I paid taxes for 20 years while I worked in a coal minne, and paid more taxes than the guy who owned the mine, then I got laid off because there was an explosion in the mine and it had to be shut down then why shouldn’t I be able to count on my government to give back to me?

        • NM

          They worked for their money, most of them, and worked hard! Some of them were smart in the market. Do you blame them for winning and some others losing? Grow up!! If they work hard or trade smart then let them enjoy the fruits of their labor. Besides, the top 10% pay 80% of the taxes. The bottom 30% pay nothing but the government supports them and tells them they deserve more as they sit and watch tv and make babies that the top 10% support with their taxes.

        • Time

          Clarence – Whats your point? The problem is PROGRESSIVES, Got Any?
          As I have said many times now they are in both partys.

          Here are a few for your to think about;
          Woody Willson
          H Hover
          FDR
          Trumann
          Johnson
          Nixon
          Carter
          Regan
          Bush 1
          Clinton
          Bush 2
          BarryO

          Modern congress and senate

          Chickie Schummer
          C Dodd
          N PigOsee
          H Reed
          B Frank
          Lindsy Graham
          John McCane
          H Waxmann
          J Kerry
          J Edwards
          A Spector

          Just to name a few, as the list is far to long, as in
          nearly all the Demo’s and half the Reb’s.

          Perhaps this is to simple for you to grasp, but Government created jobs make the Government larger, thus making more problems
          but who cares about LOGIC when one can quote Twinkie babble.

          If you have never made money it’s not due to someone who has, its due
          to you and your lacking ability to stay on target.

          When I am asked by folks what I do – when I explain it they all think they can do it to. But they all fail when they try – why?
          They just can’t do the work with out someone telling them what to do and when, they have zero ability to think outside the box.

          It dose not take money to make money, it takes “100% focus,” that means – you can’t go party every weekend, Why – your working,
          You can’t take vacations – Why – YOUR WORKING.
          You don’t spend every red cent you have when you have it, WHY- YOU SAVE IT.
          Then you REINVEST it back into your business and work even harder to make more, and if you have a good idea and work hard enough, in TIME you make money, but you have to love what you do, and do what YOU LOVE.

          I get sick and tired of all the “LOOSERS” that want their cake plus everyone else’s and eat it all too – who then cry foul all the time when those of us who have stayed the course and worked our ass’s off and paid stupid amounts of tax for the likes of the LAZY worthless twinkies that sit on thier BIG Phat Ass’s and want a hand out.
          And yet we still make it dispite the odds.

          The facts are that people like Franklin Rains who ran Fanny Mae, who in just five years stole from the American people $98 MILLION dollars he was hired by Bill Clinton.
          And the whole housing mess we have now was his brain child. And yet he was not brought up on charges nor has he even been noted for the crimes he commited on the main stream media.

          Thats the differance between someone like myself who has made an honest living, and whats been done by a Government employee who has not just broken the cookie jar but stole all the cookies too.
          All during the time frames you noted above.

          That brings me back to the PROGRESSIVES, who not only make the problems they then come up with the idea of how to fix said problems.
          Thats sick.

          Kick out all the Progressives out of the Government, Reduce the Governmets size and scope, Get them out of your everyday life.
          Move back to the bare bones of the Constitution and basic bill of rights.

          So you see no one called you any names, So get over it.

          **Now a question for you Clarence Swinney. As we all know 1/2 of the worlds wealth just went missing in October 2008, where is it?
          Where did it go?
          Why is it that not a single person or group has been brought up on charges?

          I know the answer do you?

          • Dave

            It’s the “hard working and 100% focused on money” bankers that screwed up the economy not Fannie Mae. You didn’t even spell “loosers” right by the way. It’s always convenient to blame poor people and “progressives” for anything you don’t like. There are plenty of hardworking private citizens that steal money from companies every day. Do we hold their bosses liable for that? Why do you think regulation and growing government came about in the first place? When there was no regulation we had people being taking advantage of and bribing, lying and cheating to get what they want. The government has to step in at times to protect society from rampant greed and the power that money can buy. We’re not even there yet since most politicians are funded by corporate dollars and their votes are bought. I don’t think Democrats are always right but or that they always represent my best interested but I support their basic principles more than BS trickle down economics. It NEVER works. No regulations has been tried and it failed miserably. Let’s stop being idealistic and find something that works without only looking out for ourselves. We live in a society here.

          • Time

            Dave, Ever been hired by someone thats dirt poor or on welfare?
            I bet not.

            As to my spelling who gives a blood dam. The facts are it’s all about the Progressive Marxist and thats the facts – like it or not.

            I had every possible negative against me, as in my family was below dirt poor and I am a MUT, and I still made it and I have done very well.
            It was a lot of hard work, now at near 60 years of age, I have made many people a lot of money, most who where just like myself from very Poor backrounds.
            If they made it they pay me 10% of their gross per year, if not it was a loss and they paid me nothing. Many of the people that I have helped to the top you more than likly know of from a CD’s, or Radio station, or you have been to one of their concerts.
            So don’t give me that “do good good BS,” its not going to float with me.

            Why not ask your bubba Al Gore how many Trillions he is planning on making of this “Crap and Trade Bill,” or how many Trillions BarryO is going to make off this same bill from all Americans be they dirt poor or wealthy as the prices of “all products” goes through the roof.
            Or that the poor sit in homes with No heat in the winter, nor air in the summer, as they will not be able to afford it, let alone you will not be able to afford gas to drive your car anywhere, so get used to walking.

            JFtR- I had a plan, I worked the plan, I sold the plan and I bought off each investor with a 20% Profit on their money in less than a few years.
            And I didn’t use TARP money like GM just pulled off – and the press bent the story to fit a mold thats “not the TRUTH.”

            If someone has a business plan thats the real deal they to can make it in a free country.
            But I can gurrantee you in a socilist country or marxist country, thats just not going to happen. Thats a fact.

            I was in Europe after the fall of the wall and the Russians pulled out of Estern Europe, it was a bloody mess over there, uneducated – people that were bound to the State for life with no clue what to do or how to do it.

          • libertytrain

            Time – whilst it’s been about 10 years since I was in the former East Germany and East and West Berlin, and while there stopped and visited with a German plumber and his wife near the East German area who had nothing but horror tales to tell us about the same things you mention, the refusal to work – probably because they no longer knew how. The mentality of the people was shocking for this hard working couple to have to deal with as they went in and tried to make repairs and fix or replace things that hadn’t been kept up since The Wall went up. There was, even after about 12 years at that point in time, a stark difference between everything in the East German sectors of Berlin, and of East Germany than any other part of Germany we traveled. And we traveled by car throughout most of the country.

        • Leonidcat

          Sorry Clarence – but your rant is just that. If you want to write a book I suggest you have it published. Until then, you remarks just take up space and are tedious.

        • Richard Pawley

          So the solution of the “peoples party” (The Democrats) is to come up with an “Energy Tax” (formerly called Cap and Trade – that failed policy that has not worked anywhere in the world it has been tried) and which President Obama has said will vastly increase the cost of electricity. OK, that might make Al Gore pay a bit more since he use’s 20 times more electricity than the average person but it will also make him super rich. Who will be hurt most my this tax? Mostly just average citizens, NOT THE RICH. So what else is our Democratic Congress talking about? A VAT or Value Added Tax that will add 20% to the cost of everything and a huge new bureaucracy. So who buys most of the stuff in this country that a VAT will increase the price of? You guessed it, average Americans not the rich. What we have to do is eliminate personalities and concentrate on facts. If our nation was a company they would already be bankrupt but we just keep printing money and spending all we can borrow. Funny thing, foreigners who used to buy our bonds are getting smarter and buying gold rather than government bonds, the interest on which must be paid for by our slaves, I mean citizens. The price of gold has gone up $75 an ounce in the past 30 days as mostly foreigners who used to support our habit (borrowing, not drugs) are instead buying gold. We have one chance to slow this down and that is to replace most of those in the 111th Congress who will not stop this incessant spending which is already going to cause the price of food and fuel to more than double in the near future and then go higher. Voting in November could be the most important thing you can do this year. If Americans do not vote to replace the 111th Congress in November then it won’t make any difference who is president. ALL WILL EVENTUALLY BE AFFECTED.

        • California70

          Personally, I’m sick of all of them. Ever since the 1960′s the government has been raping the American worker. The colleges in the 1960′s, and now high schools and even grammer schools are teaching marxism to our children. Does anyone care?

          It’s time to vote out every incumbent. And, I don’t even know if that would/will do any good. It’s sad, scary, and completely disgusting that this Country is in this mess.

          My question is: What are you all doing to do about it? Just sit on this site and bitch, or get your behinds out and vote for someone that will get us back to the original meaning of our Constitution?

          God Bless us all!

        • Meteorlady

          So the fact that I went to school, studied hard and got a good job because of the hard work is foreign to you Clarence? I don’t understand – I work, pay my way, get my own healthcare, never line up for government assistance and am responsible. Can you not do the same thing or are you just too lazy or don’t have the fortitude to get ahead in the US? Why do you need to continually suck off my earnings to support ill advised social programs that are full of waste and fraud? Why do you think it’s OK to take my money and give it to someone who is capable of working but chooses to cheat the system? Why is is OK for everyone to take my money when I had no say in their education, work ethic or ability to earn a living through hard work. I DID NOT PUT THEM in their circumstance – THEY CHOOSE not to excel and I chose to excel so does that make me bad? I think I am a much better citizen of this country and you will ever be.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats all Libs want to do, is create re-visionist history, where they write it all they way they think it should have been, instead of accepting how it was. Reagan was so good, Clinton looked good for 6 years. Unfortunately, instead of continuing what Reagan started, Clinton sat on his butt and chased girls for those 6 years, and put us into the tank, until George W. Bush showed up to clean up his mess.

        • Dave

          I hope for your sake that you’re not serious. What did GWB do? Create tax cuts that put us further in debt? Golf for 9 months until a terrorist act happened right under his nose and then he used that to scare everyone into submission. You people talk about tyranny and too much government but GWB exponentially increased the power of the executive branch, increased secrecy, spied on our own citizens without merit, lied to get us into a war over oil and revenge. What did he save us from? It sounds to me like he was acting like a dictator. When a Democrat controls the white house and tried to help working Americans suddenly he’s the communist dictator. What, just because he was born again Christian after a life of carousing and being an idiot he’s automatically the perfect man for the job and can do no wrong?

          • Dr. Mabuse

            Dave, You’re directly on point about GWB.
            There’s no point in trying to enlighten Beberoni…
            let the dead bury the dead.

          • bb

            Dave, that’s the point. gw spent too much and bo has spent 4 times more than gw already. That’s why the government has got to just STOP spending. The GDP just came out and zero was contributed by the shovel ready stimulus plan: $900 billion wasted. Stop funding this government death spiral machine.

          • Meteorlady

            Wake up – your Democrat in office is not helping working Americans. We now own 70% of GM, we have a hugh investment in AIG, we have bailed out bank after bank. These should have all been allowed to fail because we cannot continue to do this. Remember the Savings and Loan bailouts of the 1980′s – this is the same thing only on a larger scale. If you believe that your Democrat in office is there to hep you, you are deluded and need to educate yourself on who exactly gave him the most money during his campaign. Ask how he got his personal money in the first place – he never really had a job.. Ask why Michelle has had her law license revoked. There are a lot of things you need to research. All of you can bash Bush and all prior presidents, but you can find good and bad in each of them. Ask this – we have the War on Poverty and have been paying for it for years and where has it got us – 20% more people at the poverty level. Ask yourself how much you health insurance premiums are going to cost after the new health care plan takes effect. Ask yourself how many doctors will still be around to treat government provided health care – they are leaving right now and a lot of refusing new medicare and medicaid patients.

            Last – ask yourself what the heck you are going to do when all of us providers head out for another country and leave all you takers to fend for yourselves.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Dr Mabuse,

            Then you and Dave….might have to bury each other…..LoL.

          • AirFrank

            Dave,

            Cutting taxes does NOT cause deficits. Every time congress has cut taxes they’ve collected more revenue. The problem is they have spent more than they’ve taken in. Pure and simple.

      • kate8

        And AL isn’t old enough, andor hasn’t been in this country long enough, to know anything except what his handlers tell him. He’s just another product of socialist indoctrination. Not to mention that he gets paid to harrass conservatives on blog sites.

    • pg

      Amen!

    • Barb

      Good Morning AmLib,
      So here we go again! The recession didn’t start until November 2008, right after Osama Obama was so called elected into office! And he is still and will into infinity be the worst and most hated, loathed, and disrespected president ever!

      • Norm

        Let’s see.
        Obama inherited a tanked economy in which major banks and auto companies were about to go belly up. He inherited a failed medical system whose costs were rising at a unsustainable rate. He inherited 2 wars that had siphoned roughly 1 trillion $ from taxpayers out of the economy. Things are now begining to turn around; the stock market has been great. And Obama isn’t a good president??
        As for the Lincoln haters, I guess the Constitution should have trashed, and the traiterous southern gentry should hve been allowed to proceed with state’s rights nonsense.
        Frankly, I would have hung Lee, Davis, and given Sherman more time to continue his march. If it weren’t for Lincoln there would be US as we know it.

        • Norm

          typo
          would not be a …

        • DaveH

          Sure, Norm, hang people for expecting their fellow citizens to obey the contract that was created to bring the states together. That speaks volumes of how Liberals think. Of course, I didn’t need your statement to know that. History is replete with Socialist Purges. Your kind allow no room for freedom of choice and integrity.

          • Leonidcat

            You can lead a liberal to the truth but you can’t make them smart.

          • kate8

            Leonicat, I love it!

        • Barb

          Normy,
          The economy that Obama inherited was from his own party- the Democratic Congress namely Barney Franks and Co. in charge of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. They should be in prison for the atrocities they pulled! And hopefully one day they will be!

          • Norm

            Barb
            Bush had a Republican congress for 6 of his 8 years.
            And there is the Truman adage “The buck stops here”
            Why is it that Bush was never responsible for anything and Obama is responsible for everything, even events from the Bush years?

          • Save America Susie

            I SO AGREE with you BARB on Barney, Fannie and Freddie & the DEMS.

            And…

            NORM, the REASON why we say the ECOMONY went down hill due to the Liberals is because during the last two years of Bush’s presidency, the Dems were in charge. There is a direct link. The economy was not that bad until that point. And then it started to plummet! Gas prices rose and housing market was effected negatively. Everything changed at the point of the Dems take-over….That is why we say that.

          • Shasta

            you got that right Barb, How quickly the BLINDED LIBS FORGET WHO REALLY RAN THE SHOW WHILE BUSH TRIED HARD TO STEER US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION………..

          • BigBadJohn

            Suzy – correction the democrats were not in charge. There are THREE – yes THREE branches of the government, Democrats had a very slim majority in ONE branch and could not do anything that the republicans did not go along with…..

          • American Liberal

            Barb… Youre the nutcase that thinks president Obama spent 13 trillion dollars since he took office a year and a half ago…. Does your head hurt?.. How can a person be that stupid without any pain?… Barb.. You really shouldn’t get involved in any conversations that require thought… You just aren’t ” equiped”..maybe you should take a nap

          • bb

            gw was a wuss!!! He didn’t veto one democrat bill. We need people with a spine.

          • DaveH

            American Liberal,
            If I called 30 years 4 decades, I would be a little more careful than you about calling anybody else “stupid”.

          • eyeswideopen

            Barb, you need to check who had control of both houses of Congress prior to Bush, yep, it was the Repubs, don’t you remember them getting control right after Clinton was elected?? They kept control from 1995 right up to Jan of 2007. Yes, it was a long, long time, and they didn’t address immigration, energy, taxes, healthcare….etc.Denial is the new mantra of the conservatives and repubs. Fact checking is a wonderful thing. If you need site, to show you the facts, let me know.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Truth is Norm, the economy was doing great until the inception of Obama, and everyone with a business knew that 150 year old John McCain wasnt going to win. What did that mean? It meant the democrat tax monsters were coming. It meant stop expanding, stop hiring, and start laying off people, to build up cash reserves to pay the soon to be in power democrat tax monsters. Yes Norm. You know it, I know it, and God knows it. Things will pretty much suck until 2012, and when these losers are all voted out, it will be good times that are prosperous for all just like when Reagan was president. And hopefully, the guy will have the guts Reagan had and tell these terrorist Arab’s to knock it off or else, and mean it. Or we could keep doing like Obama, and just spin our wheels with no intentions of winning. You know they are doing all they can to make Iraq fail, so they can continue to point fingers. You know it Norm. You know it for a fact. But unlike you, Im not going to sit here and say Obama, Obama, Obama. No, Im going to say Democrats, democrats, democrats, because one guy cant do nothing. It takes congress, you know, like the democratic congress that voted to go to war in Iraq in the first place. Yeah Norm, its like that.

          • Norm

            Beberoni
            The dems started the Iraq war? I’ve heard of rewriting history but that’s ridiculous.

        • Meteorlady

          Actually the stock market will go down again. As for GM and the rest – we should have let them fail – they were poorly run and managed and should have been left alone. You paint a perfect picture of your messiah, but he is doomed to failure as history does repeat itself. Study Argentina for an eye opening experience.

      • Dave

        What world do you live in? Fox news is not the American bible. The TARP act was already under way when Obama was elected. GWB did nothing to help the economy of this country. He was given a surplus and turned it into a record deficit, an endless war and the brink of a new great depression.

        • Texas Vet

          Dave, you idiot. In 2006 the Democraps got control of Congress thanks to uninformed nutcakes. After that it was a mere matter of time before they created the 2008 financial crisis — isn’t that amazing, just in time to remove McCain’s lead in the polls. Power is all that is important to political democraps, not the American people’s well-being.

          T.

          • American Liberal

            Tex… Do you know that republicans called the 2006 democrats in congress ” the Do nothing congress”?… And that’s because they passed the least bills of any congress in the prior 20 years… Also, Bush had veto power…the democrats spent most of their time arguing with Bush over his budget because he hide the cost of the wars….I don’t expect you to know about this because your from Texas…the economy was already tanking when the republicans were thrown out over the economy… Remember, it’s the economy stupid… They used that same slogan…so don’t be so ignorant as to blame the democrats because Bush and the republicans tanked the economy… Why do you think the democrats took congress?… It wasn’t because the economy was good.. It’s amazing how” slow” rightys are… I didn’t want to say dumb so I used slow

        • Meteorlady

          If you cared enough to actually fact check you would know (from the US Treasury’s own website) that Clinton left Bush with a $17.9 billion deficit the day Bush took office. Also, the budget that Clinton signed for the following year – Bush’s first full year in office – left Bush with a deficit of $133 billion and some change. Once again – if you want to argue a point get the point correct.

    • Al Sieber

      Amer. Lib., actually the Federal Reserve put us in this recession. Obama’s just continuing the agenda.

    • omandm

      and the name of your planet is…

    • William Nealey

      another idiot

    • Grey Wolf

      Lib: The current economic crisis actually goes back to 1964. The US tried to fight a war, began the welfare state & honor JFK’s tax cuts for the middle class & small business simultaneously without any respect to the consequenses or its future impact in the long term. What we have had since then is false prosperity based on big time borrowing & plastic credit. You liberals can’t be exonerated in any way since your were the impetus for much of this since then. I have spent over 40 years of my life studying economics. Statistics in the dismal science are relative. If the government had stayed out of the economy to begin with, we would not be in the mess we are today. Just remember when all systems, social, economic & political finnally implode, it’s highly unlikely that you’ll survive.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        For some reason, the dems believe in the trickle up economy, and it just has never worked yet. If those people receiving all these government handouts would just expand their business’s and hire more people, I mean since they are allowed to keep all their money and pay minimal taxes, and receive handouts also. Geez, just think if we treated our business’s in this country this way. Let them have their money they earned, and give them help. They would out produce any nation hands down, and would hire people by the thousands. But instead, government, especially the democrats, punish them for being successful and tax goughes them to death. Unless your GM or Chrysler and show you dont know how to properly run a business, then they reward you. Now tell me, whats wrong with this picture? If I can see the ills of running things this way, why cannot the government see it?

    • Jim Lehman

      It was Carter, Clinton, and Barney Frank who were responsible for tanking the economy. Ever hear of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae? Bush told them to lighten up on their liberal lending policies and Frank assured him everything was alright. He and all of his Demo cronies made millions trading all the junk securities.

      • Leonidcat

        You need to also add LBJ and his great society programs for the major expansion of government.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Oh yeah. Barney said no investigation was needed, that everything was just ok. See, that way, Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick could write some more million dollar checks with these funds to their other democrat top ranking friends. Why after this bank collapse they caused with this, that these people were not investigated and thrown in jail, I do not know, because this is Madoff-ish as to what they did. It was a scam from the word go. And the liberal media gives them all a pass, instead of digging and revealing, they hide it under the rug. What a shame.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      Boy, what world do you live on. You are so eaten up by your loyalties to your liberal party and ideals that the truth completely escapes you, are you truly that blind or are you just sent here to infiltrate a conservative blog site to try to convice us that we don’t know what we’ve really seen. For if so, then you ar stupid as well as blind, we know what we’ve seen and we know the real truth, you’re wasting your time.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Dont you know Randy. The liberals will decide for us what we should do and what we should think. They know whats best for us. If we dont like it too bad. Its always somebody else’s fault with them, usually Bush is what I hear from them. Rules are for other people, not them. The truth is for other people, not them. We should ignore all the wrong they do, and give them a pass, you know, like the media does. And this my friend, is how they think. Quite a shame isnt it.

    • gregory

      THAT SOUNDS like a bunch of crap spiil’d out of your commie proffessor, am i wright? GO TO THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS and look up the subjects you just spew’d from you bumbersticker ass, because the facts are documented at the library of congressFOR ALL OF US FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS TO SEE.. we laugh at your breed and know your ilk is on the ropes, good luck to ya in nov, and 2012, we all see what your about.. it doesnt work here for verry long, and you and your commie professors can see the truth at the library of congress, you cant hardly find more accurate imfo than that! all the rest is just your missguided opinion..

      GOD BLESS YOU
      AND TRUST IN JESUS

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      You need to look at the trail that started with Carter that tanked our economy. Here are a few facts to help you understand it wasn’t all Bushes fault: :

      The housing crisis and the cause of Americas Economic downfall.

      Sung to the tune: “It was all Bush’s fault.”

      The Democratic Party also gave America � Jimmy Carter. Our recent economic crisis began with the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. America had just gone through the turmoil of the late 60�s and early 70�s, a period in which the anti-American Leftists/Fascists/Communists gained much political power as they took over the Democratic Party. Jimmy Carter was just the right weak white man that the anti-American Leftists/Fascists/Communists wanted. He was easily swayed towards anti-Americanism dogma, and his anti-Americanism is still prevalent in his actions today. I contend that Jimmy Carter is clearly the �Father of Modern Terrorism�.

      The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977:

      * The Community Reinvestment Act is a United States federal law that requires banks and thrifts to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as “redlining.” The purpose of the CRA is to provide credit, including home ownership opportunities to underserved populations and commercial loans to small businesses. It has been subjected to important regulatory revisions.

      * The bill encouraged the Federal National Mortgage Association, commonly known as Fannie Mae, to enable mortgage companies, savings and loans, commercial banks, credit unions, and state and local housing finance agencies to lend to home buyers. It also encouraged the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, commonly known as Freddie Mac, to buy mortgages on the secondary market and sell them as mortgage-backed securities on the open market. Due to massive financial losses, on September 7, 2008 the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) put Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under the conservatorship of the FHFA.

      * Clinton Administration Changes of 1995 � In 1995, as a result of interest from President Bill Clinton�s administration, the implementing regulations for the CRA were strengthened by focusing the financial regulators� attention on institutions� performance in helping to meet community credit needs.

      * George W. Bush Administration Proposed Changes of 2003 � In 2003, the Bush Administration recommended what the NY Times called “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” The Bush administration recomended changes were generally opposed along Party lines and eventually failed to happen. Representative Barney Frank (D-MA) claimed of the thrifts “These two entities � Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac � are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

      Summary:

      Jimmy Carter created the ‘Foundation Block’ of this economic crisis, the Democratic Party then started building upon it, and Bill Clinton “strengthened” the entire disastrous process by giving even more power to anti-American Leftist/Fascist/Communist groups like ACORN.

      When President Bush “43″ offered Congress a chance to fix the looming economic crisis � in 2003 � Democrats like Representative Barney Frank and Senator Chuck Schumer said there was no problem. Then � in 2005 � John McCain Warned Of Mortgage Collapse, and Democrats like Senator Barack Obama blocked the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005.

      Yeah, it was all Bush’s fault.

      Remember, it was Jimmy Carter that claimed Bush to be the worst president, which became the mantra for the democratic party, and shouted repeatedly during the 2008 Obama campain. It is my contention that Obama was running against Bush, as perceived by the many ignorant Obama worshipers, and helped him get elected.

      • gregory

        I Think you know as well as i do what is comming!!! a wise man should be preping now with the storage of dry goods and water…
        free people like there freedom by all means..

    • http://naver samurai

      Jimmy Carter for his traitor brother, Billy. Clinton for his many ladies of the evening and taking out Bin Laden when he had the chance (3 times). “Osama” for shredding our Constitution, healthcare bill most Americans didn’t want, closing down Guantanamo, not wanting to wear a flag pin, etc. Are you getting the picture yet?

    • kenneth

      And how blind and dumb are you really.

  • Barbara

    I would suggest you pick up a copy of John Daniel’s Scarlet and the
    Beast to understand the depth of this plan to bring the US in line with
    New World Order plans. Or check out the website http://www.crossandcompass.com
    to begin to understand the power behind the power. Way beyond US and
    one bad president. One thought — the EU Building is modeled after a
    drawing of the tower of Babylon!
    b

  • Bill Ford

    The worst President is the last President. Is Obamam the last President?

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Probably.

  • Bill Ford

    The worst President will be the last President. Is Obama the last President?

  • Pete

    Obama tops the list and will for a very long time.He is taking the country into a European syle of tax and entitle. The libs either can’t see this or they want this. Either way it will bring this greatest nation on earth to it’s knees.
    Obama and his criminal cronies need to go live in France and never return.

    • CJ

      By definition, this point could prove liberals are insane. They keep repeating what Europe has done… and expect different results. It would be easier if we had options like they did in the 16th and 17th centuries. Thank goodness our Founding Fathers had enough vision to give us the tools to keep the Republic. We just need to keep them from being misused, or eliminated.

      • DaveH

        That’s right, CJ, but we aren’t going to achieve that goal by putting more RINO’s in office. Here we are at a crossroads, with the unemployment rate sky-high, the economy struggling, and the Tax and Spenders going wild. And yet, who do the Repubicans choose? People like Scozzafava, Scott Brown, John McCain. The truth is that Republican leaders like Big Government as much as the Democrat leaders. We aren’t going to see the light of freedom again until we can wake those voters up who think that RINOs are going to save us.

        • Rob Alexander

          Hear hear!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          lll tell you what Dave. If the Republicans try to shove John McCain down my throat again, I dont care who your Libertarian candidate is, he or she will get my vote. Cardinal sin of politics – dont run a career politician, and dont run a guy that is 150 years old.

          • DaveH

            Beberoni,
            According to the latest polls McCain is well ahead of the Republican challenger.

          • American Citizen

            It’s time the Republicans ran a realistic candidate. Running Dole and McCain “because they deserve it” was a huge mistake. They were both too old and too entrenched in D.C. politics, Washington insiders, to be viable candidates. They may be good men, but that’s not enough. We need a true conservative to vote for, whether Democrat, Republican or Independent voters. Yes, there is such a thing as a conservative Democrat, but not enough of them. I began my voting as a Democrat, switched to Republican, then became an Independent. I was really conflicted the last election. There was no way I was going to vote for Obama (knew him for what he is) so held my nose and voted for McCain. I won’t vote for a third party candidate as that lets the liberals in. The third parties need to become strong at the state level before they’ll get elected at the national level. I have voted for Libertarians at the state level.

        • kate8

          RINOs are nothing more than progressive infiltrators. That’s why we can’t just vote for the one with the “R” by their name. They count on conservatives being trusting enough to do that.

          They left are a lying, deceitful lot. Any means to an end.

      • omandm

        I second that. It is my point when I try, less and less often, to civily dispute a point with my Liberal friends. How is it possible not to have learned anything from Europe’s distructive policies? The ones that Europeans are trying so hard to distance themself from now?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Everyone makes mistakes. A wise man learns from his mistakes. A fool repeats them. Anyone that would have the audacity to vote for Obama and the democrats in 2010 and 2012, is indeed a fool, because they should see the mistake right in front of them.

          • DaveH

            They can’t see through the visions of sugar-plums dancing in their heads.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            They will vote for him in droves, because he promises them entitlements.

          • kate8

            Entitlements. That is the bottom line for most libs.

    • marvin

      pete what most people over look is a lot of liberals, have a hand out, not a helping hand, they have been raised think it is perfectly allright to put there hand in your pocket and help them self, not put a hand out to help it is sad when a president or anyone calls it misguided when 70% of the voting people of a state are being second guessed and called stuped for standing up for there rights history will tell but BHO gets my vote for #1 on the list

    • Richard Pawley

      But Obama could do nothing without the complicity of Congress. Replacing him in 2012 will change little if we don’t replace the 111th Congress in six months!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That is correct. It isnt Obama, he is just the figure head. Its the democrats that got to go. Pelosi, Reid, Shummer, Dodd, Biden, Boxer, Feinstein, Newsome, Daschle, Rangel, all of them. Yeech. My gosh man, that is one horrible collection of people. Wow. Now say goodbye dems, your on your way to the unemployment line. Hey wait a minute. Now I know why they expanded unemployment, they knew they were heading that way.

        • kate8

          If the dems succeed with their push to give the POTUS dictatorial powers…I think they are trying to cover all their bases.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          “That is correct. It isnt Obama, he is just the figure head.”

          And the talented snake-oil salesman for the history-proven failure policies of Reed/Palosi. He has sold the ignorant voter, but not those that look at history, or facts, and learn from it. Unfortunately, Obama has more followers because we have more ignorance than ever before. (Since the Federal government took control of our schools.)

          Remember Lenin? The father of Socialism?

          Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. — Vladimir Lenin

          Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. –Vladimir Lenin

          Democracy is indispensable to socialism. – Vladimir Lenin
          (That is why we were a Republic, NOT a Democracy.)

          Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism. –Vladimir Lenin

          The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. –Vladimir Lenin

          The goal of socialism is communism. –Vladimir Lenin

          The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses. –Vladimir Lenin

          The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. –Vladimir Lenin

          Get the picture Mr. Obama?
          Your game is obvious.

          • kate8

            JR, great quotes. One would hope the libs would find them enlightening and even frightening but, sadly, those you quoted are their idols. That’s how far we’ve sunk.

  • David

    Worst President? W. Bush! Buchanan is now smiling in his grave.

    • NM

      Poor GWB. He was and will always be a good president. He is a good man.

      • Texas Vet

        Thank you NM. T.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree. The man didnt care which way the wind blew. He sacrifice his own well being and popularity, to do what needed done. He told us when he was running for office what he was going to do, and he followed through and did what he said. The democrats should learn a lesson from that, but they wont. They are concerned with their popularity only, so they float around which ever way the wind blows. I miss George W. Bush now. Man did we ever take a step backwards this time.

    • http://naver samurai

      There is no way in hades is Bush worse than Clinton, Carter, and “Osama!” These 3 pukes didn’t serve this country or care anything about it.

  • Pete

    Am lib said 4 decades odfReaganomics put us into this mess ? So now he wants us to believe Reagan was president in 1964 ?
    Yikes ! AM, I didnt realize that. I thought ,like everyone else on Gods green earth, that he was president during the eighties…..
    You are a gem, AM.

    • Barb

      Way to go Pete! I was too anxious to talk to Amlib to notice this gem, just shows how far out there he is doesn’t it? Great catch Pete, I’ll be more observant next time!

    • DaveH

      Pete,
      Am Lib was attributing all politics during and after Reagan, including Clinton to Reaganomics. But even at that, it has been only 3 decades. You really don’t expect a Liberal to know how to count, do you?

  • JPW-

    When it comes to drug dealers you forgot to mention George & Laura they were the undeniable go to people for drugs when they were in college.For eight years I wanted to see if GW had a high school diploms but was denied access to such information.A fter hearing about his choice of drug I realized what happened to his brain matter.Makes you wonder what drug Laura was on when she killed that guy with her car running a red light.

    • omandm

      HS Diploma? We can’t even get a birth certificate these days. And have you forgot, in your infinite wisdom, that the current President was high through all his years at Columbia?

    • libertytrain

      JPW – what a fine fellow/gal you must be – At least Mrs. Bush hasn’t hidden from her youth, and the tragedy she felt responsible for – (no drugs involved just a teenager unfortunately in a hurry to get to a movie). More than I can say for the current fellow in the president’s house – so many secrets -

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Libertytrain,
        Mrs. Laura Bush was a teacher as well, which means she unlike Michelle, has held a true job!!!! One of the most important jobs in the world. A good teacher can turn on a childs need to learn or extinguish it!!! God Bless the Good ones that look at it as a carreer and not just a job!!!!

        • libertytrain

          Yes I remembered that from interviews long ago. Hadn’t realized that she didn’t marry until she was 36 – so she had a pretty long run in her career etc., before she married and the girls.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        LT,

        You are absolutely correct. While Laura Bush had or made a terrible accident / mistake, she should at least be commended for even discussing it in her book. Mr Transparency….I mean the current POTUS and his band of thieves…do their best to keep all their misdoings under wraps. I bet the POTUS’s and Congress’s staff keep the new owner of White Out [Liquid Paper] in business….LoL..

        Actually, there’s an interesting read on-line, about the inventor of White Out(Bette Nesmith Graham, 1922-1980). Seems she was a single parent, secretary, and artist (you’ll like that LT :-)) who came up with her invention [called "Mistake Out" initally] in her kitchen blender. What a creative lady she was, as well as very wealthy by the time of her death. I just think it’s rather uncanny…how “Mistake Out” is the product of choice for our so-called transparent leaders today :-).

        • libertytrain

          Ah the same lady was the mother of michael nesmith of the monkey’s – all right useless info, but interesting.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You are just filled with hate, and that is so sad. Laura Bush is the kindest, warmest, most caring woman to ever sit in the White House. I would gladly sit in church with her and George. I would feel most uncomfortable sitting in church with Barack and Michelle, as the Rev. Wright attacked me for my skin color only.

      • kate8

        Laura Bush was a refined, warm, classy lady. Unlike the likes of Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Obama. Sheesh. Talk about your controlling, spiteful women.

        BTW, is it not a fact that Laura Bush was a democrat before marrying GW? A school teacher. She just got smarter.

  • Lynn

    Who brought this country down?? Blinders fit you well. No tax, but spend spend spend Bush!! Greedy Wall St, banks, dorporations, who care only for profits – not this country. Who are the criminals – amazing that people think like you. It will take a long time for us to undo the harm done by Bush.

    • CJ

      Lynn, you’er obviously very young and haven’t studied your history or economics. The roots of the problem go way back nearly 100 years. I’d say you’re the one with blinders… can’t see beyond your own experience. You forget elections are not about choosing the best person for president, but eliminating the worst of the contenders. If you REALLY think GW was all that bad, you would be astounded at the damage we could be in if he lost those elections. Again, you lefties need to stop complaining about where we’ve been and offer ideas that have proven to get us out. Here’s an hint, nowhere in history has increasing taxes or government ever done it. Economics proves people avoid control and taxation.

      • Save America Susie

        Amen to that! Great last thought!

      • kate8

        All the railing about GWB. I have always wondered, does anyone honestly think we’d have been better off with that hippocritic, lying, greedy, do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do, arrogant bozo Al Gore?

        I can’t even imagine how dreadful that would have been. Mr. get uber-rich pushing global warming hoax. He makes Bush look like a genius.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          And, the scariest thought is that if Clinton was removed, (after being disbarred and impeached), Gore would have been our president…..

          • http://naver samurai

            Oh God! Don’t even think like that!

    • Nancy

      some day lefties will be amazed at the fact that (GASP) we were safe while GWB was in office. Just since nobama got in has there been terroist attacts actually in America.

      • Save America Susie

        NANCY, I have noticed that too. “Dubya” wasn’t the best President and had many flaws, but what he was strong in, was good. I hated that he left the borders wide open, but its true we were safe after 9/11 because people respected our strong Military presence–unlike the Libs want you to believe. Now we are facing a weakened military with BO, and you notice the walls are tumbling down! We have had several terrorist attacks.

        • Dave

          What are these “several” terrorist attacks you mention. We had our biggest attack ever under GWB. Just because there were no other big ones since then doesn’t mean he was all that great. One 9/11 every 10 years isn’t so bad for the terrorists. The shooting at the military facility had nothing to do with out army not being feared. It was a member of our armed forces, who was overlooked as a risk by the military under GWB t hat committed that attack. The Christmas bomber was unsuccessful and was no worse than the shoe bomber that also happened during the GWB years. I guess we all just see what we want to see. I know I can’t change your minds but we are in an age where people are polarized and they only go to websites and watch news that reinforces their beliefs. I hear people saying that everyone of course agrees with their view. Well, I’m here to let all of you know that there are hard working Americans out there that don’t agree and I urge you to look outside of your little world and be open to other ideas and information. I’m sure you know things I don’t but I also may know something you don’t. If you do have all of the answers to the ills of society then PLEASE run for President or congress or something. Just don’t incite violence and don’t ignore someone because they don’t agree with you.

          • flasho

            We don’t ignore you because we don’t agree with you, we ignore you because you’ve been drinking liberal KoolAid. That means you are seriously infected with the “gimme” attitude. That’s all.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            Our biggest attack, on 9/11 was due to Clinton too busy soiling a blue dress than dealing with presidential duties of protecting us.

            Our big attack on Waco was also his and Janets doing. Disgusting.

            Bush was not disbarred nor impeached, but Clinton was.

            Maybe bush was not as strong on domestic issues or holding back the Democraps plundering of our country, but at least he wasn’t a scumbag like Clinton. A very refreshing change.

            You also forget that it was Reganomics and the dot com’s that gave us prosperity during Clinton. Clinton handed us 9/11 and Obama and Waco and the housing debacle to Bush as he left office. If it wasn’t for GWB’s tax cuts, we would have been then, where we are now.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            BTW, Reganomics actually came from John F Kennedy.

          • Save America Susie

            Dave, You asked for what terrorist attacks occurred against the USA in 2009 and 2010. At least 7 that I known of were reported in the news.

            4-8-09–U.S. Capt. Richard Phillips Maersk Alabama (boat)taken by Terrorist Pirates off the coast of Somalia. Navy Seals had to sent in to rescue him.

            6-1-09 Little Rock, Arkansas–Soldier is shot by terrorist at U.S. Recruiting Center, stated as an act against the USA.

            11-5-09- Fort Hood Texas–Shooting spree by embedded Terrorist, killing 14 (uincluding almost full term unborn baby). This Perhaps the most well known & obvious recent one.

            12-4-09 Binghamton NY–Terrorist Gunman kills 13 and wounds 4 at US immigration center.

            12-25-09-Botched Christmas day terror attack on U.S. Airline headed for Detroit

            1-3-10 US shuts Embassy in Yemen as Al Qaeda plans attack there. Same group takes credit for the christmas day botch bombing.

            1-25-10–Bin Laden verifies and claims credit for Al Qaeda botched bombing of the Christmas day attack. And he vows to do future attacks on various US targets.

            You just need to watch the news sometime and you would be more aware of what is happening. Have you not noticed these?

          • NM

            The attacts don’t have to be big, to be terrorist attacts. They just have to be there. I can think of at least two that happened and several that were stopped before they happened. But they were close.

          • Meteorlady

            I believe the attacks started with Clinton – US Embassies, USS Cole, the first world trade center bombing. Clinton had three chance to get bin Laden and failed.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Lynn… What are you on? We have never seen spending like we have seen in the past year. Wow! How can you bring up the Bush spending years when we are so far in debt and headed totally in the wrong direction by our present administration. How can you even compare it?

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Blame it on Bush…..

        Nothing but proven-failed-socialism and Blame-it-on-Bush.

        I get so sick of this crap.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      If your liberal media tells you so. You have no clue of what is going on, or how things are even done.

    • Shasta

      ovomit has TRIPLED THE SPENDING IN ONE YEAR, as compared to all of Bush’s years, ROSE COLORED GLASSES ARE BLINDING U LYNN

  • Michael Scheaffer

    Obama bashing seems to be the scap goat these days. Congress runs this country. The United States is the greatest country on earth but if you think one man elected for four years caused all the issues your mistaken.

    • Barb

      You are right up to a point. The Democratic Congress was to blame since 2002 and now they are willing participants in turning our country into a third world dictatorship with Obama at the helm and make no mistake with him as dictator he is in charge or at least his puppet master is!

      • Dave

        Barb, I’m not trying to be mean but I can honestly say that I’m concerned about you. Do you really think there is a conspiracy to make Obama into a dictator? Can you join please join my pledge to meet somewhere in 2012 so we can all decide if the world really ended and we live in a dictatorship? If you’re just using hyperbole can you please at least tell me that?

        • Rob Alexander

          The problem with “useful idiots” is you think, or pretend to think, that everything has to happen in one step and if not, then the whole premise is ludicrous – in this case your logic is if we will not be living under an Obama dictatorship by 2012, then Obama couldn’t possibly be out to increase the power of the government or destroy rights of the people and therefore he must be looking out for us against the big bad “corporate interests”… which is funny because like all mainstream-media supported politicians of BOTH parties, he purely represents those interests to the degree that he can conceal from the general population.

          The goal of Obama and his ilk is not a single-leader dictatorship, it’s an oligarchy. For the vocabulary-challenged, an oligarchy is “form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society”.

          Obama’s role is not to become dictator, it’s simply to increase the power of the government and destroy whatever protections of the people FROM government exist. As a member of the the “ruling elite” class, which he will be for life, he and the rest of the class will always benefit from this transfer of power while the rest of us suffer (and work to pay) for it. It doesn’t really matter which of them is actually in office.

          We will probably never live under a Castro-style single-leader dictatorship in the US, but we are constantly moving, little by little, to where our government has a constantly increasing degree of power over our lives, while individual rights of the people are dwindling – call it a group dictatorship if you want. This has been the case since before the ink dried on the Constitution, and will continue until and unless the “useful idiots” wake up and figure out that government power is ALWAYS in direct conflict with individual freedom and economic independence (which are really one and the same thing).

          If you honestly doubt this, try to think of the last time the government actually conceded power and the people gained individual rights against government (not against other private citizens and businesses).

        • kate8

          Just to clarify one thing: 2012 is not a date that Christians adhere to. Christians do not assign a date, just a time-period. December 21, 2012 comes from other traditions, and is only one possible scenario. And no one really knows what to expect with 2012, anyway. There is only speculation, and it comes from many quarters.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            And what people don’t realize is that we have a calendar that ends on December 31st, but the world doesn’t end, it’s just the end of a cycle. Just like the Aztec calendar that ends in December of 2012. IT’S NOT A DOOMS DAY, that was the day Obama got elected.

          • kate8

            Yes, JR. We are at the end of one of many, many 6,000 year cycles. In fact, we are also at the end of a 104,000 year cycle, and even greater cycles. But this does seem to be an especially auspicious cycle ending.

            I laugh when I see people argue about whether the earth is 6,000 years old or millions (billions?) of years old. In a way, they are both right.

        • Barb

          Dave,
          Sorry I’m so late answering this but I have a busy life outside of this, I just hope you see this. The answer to your question is yes I do believe he is trying to become a dictator! In fact I think the smug SOB already thinks he is! You may think I’m nuts but I’m not alone and I would love to see your face when it finally dawns on you. Why do you think he keeps saying he’s a one term president? He intends to be a full time dictator that’s why! Wake up! Look around, see what’s going on and yes when you add everything up including all the spending in the health care law it is 13 Trillion and counting! Oh and by the way how about the great job he’s doing with the oil spill in the Gulf? They need help cleaning up so he sends in the justice department to find blame sure hope Salazar can clean up oily birds! What a crock!!! You Obama worshipers make me sick!

          • NM

            Thank you!! You are correct. He is a one term and that term is forever. There is a reason the dumbocrats are pushing things no one wants. They know they will be in office FOREVER

    • Rob Alexander

      If he signs the bill, he’s complicit and shares the blame.

      Before you exempt a president from blame, you better see a bunch of votoes on legislation and congress passing the bad laws anyway by 2/3 vote over the president’s veto.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Good point.

        That is where GWB failed us.
        I do believe he had a “gun to his head” when signing them tho.

        • kate8

          I agree. All this arguing about the worst president is just distraction. At least in the case of recent ones, they take their orders from higher up. All we have is a puppet-government.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            And Obama is the best puppet to date.

          • kate8

            Yeah. His assignment is our final destruction.

  • http://www.pacificsynergy.com John

    I grew as an adult (in the US Army) with President Ronald Regan as President and I could not be prouder! He molded my life and now I am a very proud US ARMY Retiree.

    • CJ

      Dito John. 22 years Navy! And proud to say Mr. Reagan was my C-n-C! Thank you for your sacrifice! We’re stonger for it!

      • Barb

        Thank you both for your service to our country!!

      • http://naver samurai

        I did 20 years with the Army. Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other places. I’d go back again if I could.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          John / CJ / Samurai,

          Ditto Again…..I’m retired military and although just a young troop at the time, I was soooooooo thankful when Carter was out and Reagan was in; what a morale booster that was to the military then!

          Fed Up Gal
          Retired AF / ANG

    • Texas Vet

      Thanks guys.

      Texas Vet, First Cav, Korean DMZ, Ho Chi Minh Trail, Laos

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Texas Vet,
        Welcome home brother!!! Vihn Long VietNam 114th Assault helicopter co. Cambodian war games. Thanks to all of the other vets here as well!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Texas Vet / Joe H,

          OoooooooooooooooooooRAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Fed Up Gal

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      The democraps complain about Regan, but name a time when people were so proud to be an American. Certainly not when Clinton was pres, and the only people that like Obama are those that believe his promises about helping them out with the freebees they will never actually see.

  • Eric Seyferth

    In my personal opinion, I think Obama is the best president we could have right now because he is going to show everyone just how seriously flawed the liberal agenda really is. Then, hopefully, we can get back the real America.

    • CJ

      Eric, you are probably (unfortunatley) right. It takes a major catastrophe to wake people up to reality. I just hope we can recover without too deep of a scar.

    • Bernard Richardson Jr

      Eric, I like your logic. Works for me!

    • Save America Susie

      Ironically & sadly, its true! I often wondered why God allowed this man to become our president,a man who really did not earn it & would take us down the wrong path….But Sometimes you have to see “empty” to know what “full” is, or see “Tyranny” to know what “Freedom” is! We have lost our appreciation for our Freedom; and therefore, we need an instruction about what we have lost. That is how I see it now. Then we will again fight to get it back either by ballot box or revolution. We better hope & pray the ballot box will be enough!

      “This is the Last stand on Earth. If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to.” –Ronald Reagan

      FREEDOM is what America is all about. I see the shadow of “Big Brother”, but it doesn’t have to be that way. We CAN turn the tide in NOVEMBER!

      • Eric Seyferth

        This country was built on Christian principles and is the longest lived truly free country/culture in the history of the world. If Obama and the liberal agenda succeed, God help us all!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      He has served his purpose as a wake up call, that maybe voters will look into who they vote for before they pull the lever and find out later.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      “I think Obama is the best president we could have right now because he is going to show everyone just how seriously flawed the liberal agenda really is.”

      EXCUSE ME?

      Are you that blind?

      Or is this in jest?

      Ha ha ha, yeah, hopefully he will show the freeloaders the folly of this agenda.

    • kate8

      Yes, Eric. He’s certainly awakened a lot of Americans to how perilous our situation is.

      I just hope we survive it.

    • Rob Alexander

      I agree partly, but the sad thing is while the sheeple will probably wake up about Obama and maybe about even socialism itself (when dressed plainly anyway), but it is unlikely they will wake up to the fact that the mainstream media corporations who control what the people hear are complicit in the Obama / big government agenda.

      So with that in mind, the media will direct the sheeple toward electing another Bush style neo-conservative who will campaign as a conservative but actually be a closet liberal puppet and grow the government when in office, when what we really need is a Ron Paul / Peter Schiff style REAL conservative / libertarian in office.

      We REALLY need to undermine trust in the mainstream media if we want to see good people who aren’t puppets get elected.

      You know how to tell an honest politician (whether or not you agree with his political philosophy)? He’ll be the one the media marginalizes.

      • kate8

        Since no one even gets the nomination to run from either side without the approval of the global elite, you can be sure that the final candidates are not for the people.

        I have my questions about Ron Paul. He is a freemason, which makes him
        a brother to the rest of the gang.

        We need to thoroughly investigate whomever is running. I actually doubt whether an “outsider” could be elected, since it’s too easy for election outcomes to be manipulated. (I read that there is a computer virus that can change votes cast and disappear without a trace. I think that was the purpose of electronic voting – greater control with no paper trail.)

  • Shasta

    OVOMIT THE WORSE PRES EVER!!!!!! He Steals from YOUR children, He is taking $$$$ right out of your wallet, He is sinking us in the quicksand, I would take Bush back 100% over this radical Fraud
    GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • Nancy

      ME TOO!!!!!

    • omandm

      Well, on this note, there was a poll conducted not long ago that asked if elections would be held today between BHO and GW, who would you vote for. 48% Obama, %46 Bush. That was before the Thief in Chief said that you shouldn’t make too much money, before he refused to protect our borders from murder, before he dissed our greatest friend in the Middle-East and kissed terrorists behind. One has to wonder what the results would be today

      • Save America Susie

        Yes, Omandm…That breaks my heart that ISRAEL is so dissed by this administration! God help us now! The Bible says whoever sides with ISRAEL God will Bless. Whoever is the enemy to ISRAEL God will be against. Because ISRAEL is part of His plan. Israel is only defending herself.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You got that right. When we turn our backs on them, we are in real trouble. I dont know why the libs think that their arms are long enough to box with God. I think its because most of them dont believe at all. I mean if they did, could they really agree with murdering unborn children in their mothers wombs? I would think not.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            Libs have no clue to foreign affairs, only whitehouse affairs.

        • Weavi

          Finally a smart entry!!! Right on Save America Susie!!!! I have no idea why all you guys spend so much time blaming and blaming…Our country is in a terrible mess and instead of all thid blame stuff we need to be thinking how we are going to save our wonderful America. We have all voted for presidents and sometimes we lose our vote and sometimes we win, but we need to stay right in there ant try to keep America great. I have always voted and when I lost I didn’t diss the winner I simply said we have a new presidet, not the one of my choosing, but non the less he is still president. Not this time because I feel this one is taking us to “hell in a hand-basket” and I can not keep from saying what I feel. We have never had a president before that was blind and deaf like this one. He can not hear us say we do not want Obamacare and he also can not see the signs the tea party are carrying. He bribed other liberal Democrats with taxpayers money to vote in the worst health care possible. I knew when they were arm twisting that it was going to cost far more than they were letting on and now they admit this and it appears they had a report confirming this BEFORE the bill was voted on. It is time for us to take back our country and when November comes along we must REMEMBER to not vote for anyone who voted for this bill. They voted in the bill before it was even written……about as intelligent as signing a blank check (and how many of you would do that?)Remember Nancy sayig “we must pass the bill so we can know what is in it” Now that is REAL intelligence!!!!!
          The mess we are in now is just that– NOW!!! And NOW it needs to be fixed. If Obama puts through an amnesty bill he might just as well make out a deed to America and sign it over…I love America and this can just NOT HAPPEN!!! An awful lot of the high health care and economy problems is because government spends so much of our taxpayer money to supplement the illegals!!!! It is high time the Citizens of America are protected instead of the illegals!!!

  • Pete

    Eric Seyferth says:
    April 30, 2010 at 6:35 am
    In my personal opinion, I think Obama is the best president we could have right now because he is going to show everyone just how seriously flawed the liberal agenda really is. Then, hopefully, we can get back the real America.
    ——————————————-
    You have a very good point , there, dude.
    November is just around the corner !

  • H Courtice

    Worst president? Geo W. Bush, hands down. Best president? FDR, no contest there, either. Jury is still out on Obama. So far so good though his environmental agenda seems alittle short-sighted.

    • Norm

      H Courtice
      Amen, although I’d put Lincoln before FDR.

    • DaveH

      If you think a man who presided over 10 years of Depression is the best president, I will not waste my time trying to remove your blinders. It is obvious that Obama can completely destroy our economy and the people lined up at the trough will still worship him.

      • DaveH

        Am I the only one who sees the Irony of the Liberals who think they are the intelligent class and yet can’t survive on their own without riding on the backs of others?

        • Barb

          I’m with you Dave!

        • Leonidcat

          No – you aren’t the only one. I’m with you too…… but it is just useless to comment on their selective memory or their lack of knowledge about history.

          • American Citizen

            As the saying goes,”You can’t fix stupid.”

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            Yup, further proof that the federal takeover of our schools, and their dumbing down of America program has been a resounding success.

        • H Courtice

          Bottom line, the “Right” stands in the doorway of today and looks back to where we have been. The “Left” stands in the same doorway and looks ahead at the furture before us. Your choice.

          • libertytrain

            Haven’t seen much of the looking ahead, only that everything since time began is one Bush or the other’s fault – or that anyone that disagrees with this current president is a racist – not looking ahead that I can tell.

          • DaveH

            You mean a future like North Korea has? Or Cuba? Or Zimbabwe?

          • American Citizen

            I think you got it backwards.

          • Save America Susie

            Yes, LIBERTY TRAIN, I agree….To me, the left doesn’t seem to be looking ahead, when they always keep looking back to “Dubya”. Why is that? You know what happened to Lot’s wife in the Bible when his family was escaping God’s destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? (And people think men are the only ones who know how to create bomb blasts.) She looked back and turned into a pillar of salt. Don’t think she could think very clearly at that point. Thus the phrase “Don’t look back!” became popular real fast.

            If the left were truly looking ahead, they would “move on” and stops attack “W”. They are beating a dead horse. But I know it is true, when politicians can’t come up with real answers, they tend to do that. It is also true that the True America is in the eye of the Beholder. Each side of the spectrum holds a different view of what she stands for.

            Therefore, Americans need to go back to the FOUNDING FATHERS for a CLUE, remember them? George Washington,Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin,Thomas Paine. They were the originals. If we keep trying to copy a copy of something, the real image gets fainter and fainter, doesn’t it? We need to get back to the Originals. If anyone is looking backward, it should be to look to the FOUNDERS to jog our memories!

          • kate8

            H, bottom line: the left never accepts accountability for anything.
            The party of blame, blame, blame.

            You look toward a future of control, servitude, and equal poverty.
            Except for the elite, of course. Wow. How enticing.

          • Meteorlady

            I’ll take back – because the “future before me” is like looking at the history of Argentina.

        • Dave

          I’m a Liberal and I have never taken a government handout in my life, except for the check I got from GWB after he was elected that took the surplus he was left and flushed it down the drain. I’d rather he had saved that money and done some good with it. Don’t YOU think it’s ironic that it’s a fact that more Liberals are highly educated than Conservatives? It’s also ironic that the conservatives are the ones who always complain about taxes and government intervention but they are the ones who have no problem receiving farm subsidies, checks from the government for tax cuts, shop at Walmart which all but forces countries to outsource to China, and are the first to complain abuot why there isn’t a 50 foot wall with electronic monitoring on the border with Mexico? How do you think they would fund more border guards? Are you willing to pay higher taxes to have the government expand the INS, which is a government agency, so they can stop illegal aliens from crossing the border and make it possible for you to afford to eat Chicken, Steak and Strawberries that you buy at your beloved Walmart.

          • DaveH

            Educated in what? Certainly not Economics. Have you perused that link I gave you (Economic Freedom Rankings), or does your great education preclude you from learning?
            By the way, I have 2 four-year degrees. One in Biology, the other in Math. I graduated with honors in both. I also took a year of Computer Science recently. Mostly, in that year, I learned that young people are largely cocky little butts that think they are vastly superior to the older folks.
            I don’t think my education makes me superior to those with no college, but it sure doesn’t make me inferior.
            I have spent much of my adult life learning about market forces and other economic matters, so as to invest my money more wisely.
            But I didn’t have to have any education at all to know that if you give somebody something for nothing, they generally don’t respect it.

          • NM

            Bull Pucky and I rarely shop at walmart and when I do, it is AMERICAN MADE.

          • Meteorlady

            Dave – I have one or two questions for you…

            When was the last time you spent your actual own time working for a charity?
            When was the last time you actually gave your money to support a charity?

            If all you liberals would get off your lazy butts and start working in your community we wouldn’t need to government to take our money by force and redistribute it.

          • DaveH

            The Liberals I’ve known in my life have been very stingy with their own money. They just like to give the money of others away.
            I will say that my son knows one that actually walks the walk, but I have not known any myself.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      FDR. The dude introduced lying as a way of life for politicians. He lied to the people, he lied to congress, he lied to his wife and friends to get his way. Remember his instituting the voluntary act of paying federal income tax? How is that working out for you these days? We are still paying today for the handout systems he put into place, and we will be paying for them forever. Ever heard of the Fed? Yeah, real nice.

  • http://mikeutley.wordpress.com/ Michael Utley

    Don’t stop, thinkin about November, don’t stop, it’ll soon be here…

    • Norm

      Michael Utley
      I hope you are not too disappointed, but I think you might be.

      • HotRodTom

        I’m with you, Norm. The American voters are far too stupid to listen to reason, especially the “under 40″ crowd. They just didn’t have good teachers, and don’t know anything about how government should be run. Their canned answer is “at least we know what we got” with the democrats.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          At least we know what we were promised, you mean.

          More proof that the dumbing-down of America
          has been a resounding success.

      • NM

        I just think there will be a lot of dead people voteing, just like in the last election.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You have got to be kidding me Norm. You actually think there is a snoballs chance in hell of Obama getting re-elected? Your smoking what? Shoot man, I can still see the democrats forcing him out and trying to run Hillary or someone else by then, as everything they are doing now it turning to dung, and they will distance themselves and hang him for it. But no way at all the democrats are going to be elected Norm. I refuse to believe that American people are that stupid. I just refuse to believe that. We are better than that.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Maybe my prediction of a “Queen Hillary” will be realized yet.

    • http://none Charles Higgins

      Because of Bill Clinton’s fairly good record (thanks to Newt Gingrich and contract with America) he does not belong on this list, even though I consider him a very low person ethically.
      FDR should be rated as the worst because he started the move toward socialism with Social Security.

      • DaveH

        Big Government is the Problem, and that started long before FDR.

        • Save America Susie

          Big Government, yes, and the Federal Reserve!

  • HotRodTom

    Some of the posters have confused “worst” with “ineffective”. Mr. Peanut was certainly ineffective, but not one of the worst.

    • DaveH

      I don’t know about that. Even in the midst of nasty Stagflation, that snake-oil peddler was trying to sell the citizens on more poison.
      http://millercenter.org/scripps/archive/speeches/detail/3402

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Uh, Carter started it all….

      The foundation of the economic time bomb was designed by none other than Jimmy Carter.

      You remember the peanut farmer, Jimmy Carter; the double digit inflation, double digit unemployment, and gas shortages president that couldn’t get elected for a second term because he was so bad?

      The one that coined the phrase indicating that “Bush is the worst president we ever had.” Which the leftmedia loves, and parrots so much that he recieved a Nobel Prize for meddling in foreigh affairs that weakened the US internationally???

      Seems the lying, deceitful, Marxist agenda, Obama loving, media did a good job of convincing everyone that it really was all Bushes fault.

      • DaveH

        I remember Jimmy. After trashing our economy, he had the nerve to tell the citizens that they needed to tighten their belts as if they were the cause of the Stagflation. What a Liberal Doofus.

  • George McMurtry

    You are all missing the point, Washington understands only one thing, power – and money is that power. Money drives DC and nothing else since both parties have wandered so far from the original intent of the Constitution. Each president must decide how much he is going to be swayed by money and that pretty much determines how history will look at him. The ultra rich pull the strings in DC and if you think Congress is going to kill their golden geese then you are either stupid or naive. Case in point, the most frequent visitor to the White House is George Soros, a billionaire many times over and Obama’s very close friend. Obama just signed an executive order that loaned $2 billion to the 8th largest company in the world to drill off-shore in Brazil with ALL the oil going to China (yes, we get NOTHING from this) and the principal stockholder of this company is – George Soros. So, Obama wants to play in the land of the ultra rich and pretend he is going to tax them heavily to “redistribute the wealth”. Give me a break! If one can be judged by how corrupt he is to what he preaches, then maybe Obama does make the top 5 worst. (I have no problem with Wilson, FDR, LBJ and Tricky Dick; #5 is up for grabs.) But he is just another puppet to the ultra rich and the only way out is not to pull a Robin Hood with a socialist agenda as every socialist regime has failed miserably. It is to return to the original intent of the Constitution, small federal government with the States responsible for most of what the feds are now doing. DC is horribly broken (both parties) and there is no other non-violent way to fix it than for the “not so silent any more” majority to return the country to the original intent of the Constitution and it will probably take 100 years to undo the last 100 of the progressive movement. But, it has started.

    • DaveH

      There is only one Political Party that can guide us to that goal. Only one party advocates real Personal Freedom, Individual Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Markets. That is the Libertarian Party. Help us grow. We are the only party that believes Government should be held to the same moral restraints that individuals are held to. That is, stealing is wrong no matter how many people vote for it. And killing is wrong (except in self-defense) no matter how many people vote for it. There is no reason for Government to be exempt from these moral rules.

      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        I agree, but you don’t have the power to get it done… yet.
        You MUST work with the Tea Parties and replace the religous-right in the Repub party to get it’s act together and turn us away from a socialist ‘democracy’ back to a Constitutional republic.

        • DaveH

          Our main problem is that very few people have any idea at all what Libertarians stand for. John Stossel showed several people he talked to on the street that had no idea what Libertarians were.
          We can thank the media for that. Both major parties are afraid of people learning about the Libertarian principles. And the MSM has ignored us for decades.
          Entrenched Corporate leaders do not want the kind of competition that Libertarian Free Markets would bring. They much prefer their cushy million a year jobs without having to put up with upstart competitors.

    • JLC

      George, at a mere eighty-plus years old, I am far too young to rmember anything about Woodrow Wilson. Of the rest, FDR, LBJ, and Nixon, I remember only too well. I’d say that you have a pretty good line-up. I have deliberately omitted the current pretender to the throne. My opinion of Obama is not printable.

    • Reymone

      I agree 100% George McMurtry, I hope you’re right, I hope it has started and hope it snowballs, For the sake of my grandchildren.

    • Save America Susie

      The problem with this “ROBIN HOOD” (as you call BO)is he is NOT the true Robin Hood. BO steals from those who earn their money and gives to those who didn’t.

      The REAL ROBIN HOOD stole from the Rich rulers, because they originally had taxed the common people too much, and it was their money in the first place. He was simply RETURNING their money to them!

      BO is the opposite. He’s not returning anything. Just stealing and redistributing. Huge difference.

      • kate8

        SAS, the only ones I’ve seen receiving the money Obama has stolen from the taxpayers is the bankers!

        I don’t get why the libs haven’t noticed that.

        Wait. What am I saying.

        • Save America Susie

          What I meant is, this was his stated plan in the campaign. Redistribution of wealth. So far he hasn’t had a chance to redistribute much.

  • AJOHN

    Worst Presidents?? How does one decide? Every President since Eisenhower,(except for RR, maybe) WW and probably FDR before him all were advocates of a global government. It has crescendoed (is that a word?)to the point where it is easier for BO to forge ahead with this agenda. It has been a building process and we really have no one to blame but ourselves for being asleep and letting it happen. After all those government handouts are pretty tempting and then they become necessities – think healthcare. I’m reminded of King Hezekiah, who when told what would happen to his kingdom because of his stupidity, replied, “At least things are good while I’m here”.

  • Oren

    Worst president, unfortunately all democrats, take your pick.

    Best President Harry Truman. Loved that crusty old Missourian. Yes, I know he was a democrat. Good or bad does not come with labels of origin, just labels of incompetence.

    We haven’t had a president since George W. Bush. Man, I miss that guy, he could take a lickin’ and keep tickin’. Office is presently vacant, major squabbles going on as to who’s manning Congress too. I’m delighted when they go on recess, I know nothing stupid will happen while they’re there.

    • American Citizen

      I’m with you here. HST was also my pick as one of the best. At least he knew who was supposed to be in charge.

  • marvin

    to the people who live in fla a vote for charlie chris is a vote for the dem canidate my point is i have nothing agianst christ and think he is a good man but he can not win and will take votes from rubio just do the math say 100,000 vote christ gets say 20,000 votes rubio get 35,000 thats 55,000 the dem gets 45,000, now far be it for me to tell any voters in any state how to vote like the voters of arizona i think they had the right to and did 70% voteed for the immigration law but back to fla ether chris or rubio would make a good sen for fla but if chris stays in 2 more years of a dem in the senate but the voter of fla will speak and be heard but i just hope they look at what can happen and most likly will if christ stay in

    • DaveH

      So we should just keep electing RINOs, and then wonder why Government just keeps growing?
      The split vote fear-mongering is a sure way to perpetuate mediocrity. If we really want to get our country back to what our Founders envisioned, we are going to have to start voting for the people who can get the job done, and nobody else.
      I consider anybody voting for RINOs as splitting the votes away from the people who can get us back to Limited Government. So quit splitting the votes on RINO Republicans. Republicans haven’t been much better at reducing Government in my lifetime than have the Democrats. I make an exception for Ronald Reagan who gave it his best, but unfortunately had to contend with too many RINO Republicans to get the job done.
      I had to listen to the same tired mantra of “don’t split the votes” even back then.
      Republicans want to control our personal choices and Democrats want to control our wallets. Different agendas, but the same results – Big Government.

  • Don Boyer

    My candidate for the worst president is Jimmy Carter or have you forgotten the 20% interest you paid for bank loans. Also the USA not going to the Olymphic games because Carter was miffed about something.
    This will surprise you. My first choice for best President is Harry Truman—he had guts enough to end the war with Japan with two atonic bombs, By doing so he saved the lives of thousands of American lives.
    The next best President was Reagan’ he started the longest run of prosperity the USA has ever had. Obama is the second worst President unless he is provento be not eligible to be President—-still no certified birth certificate, but proven to be a socialist and probably a “closet” Muslim.

    • Torch

      I think if you look hard enough, that Japan was trying to surrender right after VE day in Europe. But the powers to be wanted to be able to drop the bombs to show the rest of the world how horrific an atomic bomb was. Without a good demonstration the bomb would not have any propaganda value.
      Al Ge

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I guess they should have tried a little harder then.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Better had they not attacked us at all, but then we wouldn’t have saved France’s ass from Hitler.

          • Torch

            You miss the point. The bomb killed 100,000 people, not military targets, just two cities full of civilians. But the propaganda was and still is in use to day.
            Al Ge

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Torch,
            By any chance are you Japanese or of Japanese decent???

      • Meteorlady

        WOW – I’ve read a few different version of history and haven’t found this one yet. Where did you get it?

      • Jeep

        That’s a big load of crap…The decision to use “the bomb” was based on the casuality estimates of Operation Olympic (the planned invasion of the Japanese home islands.) Figures were as high as 100,000 casualities with an estimated 10,000 dead. Further, there was six months of strategic fire-bombing of 67 Japanese cities that the Japanese government ignored. And, an ultimatum given by the Potsdam Declaration was rejected by the Japanese govt.

        As for civilians, first the targets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen for many reasons. Second, it worked!

        You libs are always trying to rewrite history to show how bad America is. I, for one, have had enough! Stop hating America, you jerk!

  • http://Compuserve Daisy & Ginger

    To us…The present one in our White House is the worst EVER… he makes no bones about it ..how he is determined to destroy the United States of America…We are flabbergasted that the Democrats go right along with him…Aren’t there any Patriotic Americans left in the Democratic Party ?? looks like the ans. is NO>.They follow him whatever he says and wants done… like blind followers. He is determined to bring us down..to a third world country…and give our wealth and power to commies and socialists..He is ( in our opinion ) a Communist ) and we do not believe he does anything to hide it….and we do not believe he is a bona fide American citizen….First we get rid of his comrades in the Democratic party in 2010 and out he goes in 2012…It will not come fast enough for us…

  • JPW-

    Pete and Barb; Do you two ride the school bus together.Am Lib said there was a reaganomic policy in effect for four decades not Reagan in office for four decades.You both should be tested for reading comprehension evaluations.

    • Barb

      So let’s see your saying that LBJ, Carter and Clinton also had Reagonomics? Really? HMMM?

    • DaveH

      Duh, have my math skills gone away? I was taught that 2010-1980 would be 30 years (3 decades) not 4 decades. But then that was only 33% overstated. In the Liberal world, that is right on target.

      • DaveH

        It’s obvious that Am Lib and JPW rode on the public school bus.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Yeah, Democrat designed bus.

  • Darrel

    I really marvel about how many folks still equate riches with Republican. You need to look at the facts about who is and was in Congress and the White House. And which party does one of the richest men in the world support? Soros -> democrats).

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Fact: More Democrat millionairs after being in political office than Repubs. The need for power and control blinds them to understanding that their job title is ‘representitive’. When Teddy Kennedy said “the hell with what the people want, I’m going to vote my concience…” I wanted to know why he wasn’t impeached on the spot. All of the borrow and spend by Democrats have been to bail out big companies that should have been allowed to fail for their crappy business practices. Now tell me again that the Dems are for the little guy? Bull crap.

      What we need is to start doing our homework and re-electing or voting in the better candidate. Even if we have to hold our noses. Throwing everyone out is like term limits, you also lose the better candidate. Once we start “improving” our representitives’ in Washington, we can make some progress. Throw them all out? DUMB! Flat Tax? Ignorant.

    • DaveH
    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The democrats are much richer, and are in bed with their own big insurance companies that are going to reap billions with this new health care scam they got going on. They gave billions to Goldman Sachs but are now after them, how that works I dont know. They give little handouts to those who dont want to work, to keep them poor, and convince them that they are for the poor, when they are the reason that they keep being poor. But the democrats are for sure the rich guys, million and billionaires all over the place. The so called poor people just dont know it, because the liberal media wont tell them, and they believe the propaganda the democrat run liberal media tells them. Thats just how it works.

      • DaveH

        Yep, all they have to do is hang that green carrot in front of their faces and their votes are bought.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Democraps don’t give a rats ass about money. The want the POWER that the idiots give them in exchange for the promised entitlements which they never get, but keep voting for them.

  • Torch

    In your article you down play Bushes involvement in the Twin Towers by saying it was the Jihadist on the plane and I agree. How ever, I believe that when they first tried in ’93 to bomb the towers that our government prepared for the next attempt. To set the charges to bring down the towers and Building 7, which was not damaged by the planes; they used the total replacement of the elevators as cover. There are many experts who found thermite in the residue after the collapse indicating it was preplanned. Also, the almost immediate removal of the debris before forensic experts could study the scene shows some complicity. Note the same thing is true of the Oklahoma bombing, the scene was cleaned up too soon to really determine the true reason for the collapse.
    So yes, I do believe that our government was just waiting for the Islamics to trigger the event.
    Al Ge

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Yeah, uh huh. And Obama’s Birth Cert is legit too….

      • kate8

        As disheartening as it is, after a great deal of research I’m convinced that our government, working with global powers, has been involved in a series of “false flag” events over the past century. As much as I didn’t want to consider the possibility, after looking at the evidence and investigation into 911, I can only conclude that this was, indeed, another false flag. It was an announcement to us that our way of life is over.

        Before dismissing those who question “conspiracies”, look at the evidence, and form your own conclusion. But don’t just assume that the PTB are telling us the truth.

        “You never know if a thing is true until it has been officially denied”.

    • DaveH

      While my jury is out, I do believe that Government is capable of such atrocity. I just find it hard to believe that there wouldn’t be those who would come forward with the truth in such a case.
      Interestingly enough, I was listening to a radio talk show in Arizona shortly after the Oklahoma bombing. A lady caller said that months before the bombing there had been some people setting off blasts near her ranch. When she questioned them (brave lady), they identified themselves as Government Officials and said there were testing the effects of fertilizer bombs on cars for forensic purposes in the case that such were used in future bombings.

      • Save America Susie

        I am thinking that just because someone identifies himself as a Goverment Official, doesn’t mean he is. It could have been a COVER for a terrorist group. Couldn’t it?

        Same goes for circumstantial evidence at Ground Zero, NY. I don’t think the Government had a motive to destroy its own country. To think that is crazy to me. That would be pretty evil stuff. Innocent until proven guilty is supposed to be the American Way, is it not? And if we can’t prove that, then it shouldn’t be held up as truth. Investigated yes, but not held up as true.

        While I wonder about BO’s Birth Certificate, it has not been proven, because it has not been produced! That needs investigating too. I believe ALL Presidents should have to show their long form birth certificate. Call be American. They should be posted from every corner for the citizens to see as proof. Transparency? Hardly. A CEO of a major company needs more proof than Bo gave, to get his job.

        • DaveH

          Our involvement in most of the wars we have gotten into was based on exaggerated events. When the power brokers want something, it is not hard to pull the wool over the citizens’ eyes.
          As I said, my jury is out, but I just think Government involvement in the Oklahoma bombing is possible. Clinton was trying very hard to get us to accept gun-control and it is very coincidental that Ruby-Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma City all happened during the Clinton administration, not to mention the vast number of Clinton associates who died during those years. And the Clinton administration was illegally wire-tapping many citizens for the terrible crime of buying too many guns.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            And was all that Bush’s fault too?
            I think not, it was just more of the Democraps.

          • DaveH

            JR,
            I think it is just Big Government in action. Most of them probably believe (or want to at least) that they are doing best for the country. But when anybody has a vested interest in an outcome, it is natural for them to put the blinders on and slant their views to what’s best for themselves. And what is best for them is to grow Government larger. It is up to the voters to get educated in that reality and insist on politicians that will shrink the size of government.

      • kate8

        There is a reason witnesses do not come forward. The tend to have a high rate of “suicides” and “accidents”.

        Ever hear of Sybil Edmonds? She was an interpreter who heard talk by CIA and other officials about the impending attack on the 911 WTC. She came forward and testified at the Congressional Investigation, was thanked, and her testimony expunged. She also went public, which is probably why she is still alive. Instead, she was simply marginalized.

        There is way more going on here that most people can comprehend.

      • Jeep

        DaveH, I gotta tell ya, I have put together and detonated many differing types of “bombs” for much of my career. Why? For a variety of reasons to include a number of demonstrations for congressmen, law enforcement and even foreign military. This kind of thing happens all the time as we try to understand the enemy, not because we are planning to kill Americans. Get a grip. A conspiracy of that size and magnitude without one whistleblower? Really?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yeah right. And I can fly.

    • American Citizen

      That thermite could have been there from the first bombing.

      • kate8

        There is a whole lot more evidence than just traces of thermite. Don’t expect to hear about it in the MSM. It’s not too hard to look at the evidence. Some people have done a pretty thorough job.

        There are major player within our government who are working to destroy America. They also know that the best way to influence public thinking is through crisis and fear. “Don’t let any crisis go to waste”. They are nothing less than pure evil.

  • Rick Bowen

    I am 64 ears old and during my lifetime I have been a democrat an independent and finally a republican. I am now leaning back to Independent. I am throughly convinced that the only thing that will bring America back to it’s former greatness is the “Fair Tax”. That will dramatically change the dynamics of our economy overnight. It will bring about the greatest era of growth most of us will have ever experienced in our lifetime. The only reason It will not be passed is that the Government will have to give up their most powerful weapon of control the IRS. The tax code is the greatest divider of the masses. Less ambitious people will fall in line to vote for people that would have them live with no taxes and income redistribution. This will kill the incentive of the more productive and drive an underground economy. All which will keep us in the boom and bust cycles. I have instinctively understood this most of my life. I have always supported the presidents that campaigned on drastic tax reform, only to be disappointed after the election. Our country has been consistently changing making us despise success and adore looser’s. All that being said I have graded the presidents during my lifetime by how at ease I felt during their reign. Reagen was the best. Johnson was the worst. Clinton was an embarrassment. Bush was a disappointing.
    Carter was a hick. Obama is a horror story.(by the way who the hell is running the country. He is never in the White House.) John Kennedy gave me hope and pride at that time. Eisenhower was boring. Nixon tore the country apart and left us with Ford, who could not walk and chew gum at the same time. He was left brain dead by leather football helmets. Politics had become so dirty no self respecting person wants to get involved that must change. DUMP THEM ALL!

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Fair tax my ass. This country screwed up when it started to tax its own people instead of tarrifs (which paid for the entire budget) when Washington forced us into the third world marketplace. You CANNOT tax a country into prosperity, only into slavery. The Government needs to live within it’s budget, and adding a new tax is ignorant economics. Less taxes gets the government more money to spend, proven by Bush Jr effort to delay the recession. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Since the government get’s a piece of the action in everything done in this country, no taxes on the people in any way would give them a bigger bottom line. The Repubs need to take the Tea Party planks into thir own, and NOT have a third party candidate. The Tea Party needs to replace the religous right, and remind everyone what made this country great and return our country to the Constitutional government of the people as designed.

      • DaveH

        JR,
        The Republicans have shown throughout my lifetime that they are incapable of returning us to Limited Government. Quit wasting your time with them. It isn’t going to happen.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Ok, then lets succumb to the democraps….. NOT!

          We need to work with what we have, and we have a better chance changin the republicans back into Consitutionalists than the Democrats. Get the Tea Party to show them the return path. To do otherwise is beating a dead horse as the Demos can’t stand seeing us return to our roots. A third party only dilutes the other one closest to it. Learn how to use what we have to get it done. Education is the key, and the basics of this country is what the people have forgotten.

          • DaveH

            Pigs will fly before Republicans get us back to Limited Government.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            David…. Are you really that stupid?

            You dis the Repubs and thereby promote the Dems who are stealing our once great republic right out from under your nose.

            Yeah, vote Dem cause the Repubs aren’t perfect.

          • DaveH

            JR,
            Don’t behave like a Liberal. If I was stupid, I might believe that the Republicans who have not headed us in the right direction in my entire life would somehow magically change their ways and start shrinking the size of Government.
            Remember Einstein’s definition of insanity:
            “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

          • DaveH

            By the way, even if the Repubs did magically become government shrinkers, they just don’t represent my beliefs like the Libertarians do.
            I will go to my grave voting for the Principled Party – The Libertarian Party.

  • marty martinson

    In the short term, Clinton was an awful Chief. He introduced our society to the deeply destructive concepts of a BJ is not sex, lack of shame of impeachment, ignorance of the 800lb gorilla of “don’t ask don’t tell”, and of course taught our kids that “is” doesn’t mean is. He left the next president with a recession, played number tricks to feign a budget surplus, so much more. In the long term, Lincoln divided our nation in an unjust war and layed the groundwork for Income Taxes. Hussein Obummer (thanks s.c.) divides our country like none since Lincoln, promotes racism, and is financially destructive, but we won’t know the full extent of his destructive reign until he’s out of office.

    • Leonidcat

      Amen to that.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And the division thing is the big one. The democrats have sought to divide this country for years, as I believe they believe in divide and conquer. Thank God American’s arent as dumb as they think, even though a lot made the big mistake in 2008, but they realize it now.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        God, I hope so.
        But don’t hold your breath, cause the dumbing down of America
        is quite successful.

  • Mr. Know it all

    All of you people need to realize something. It is the “congress” that mekes the rules, not the President. If you replace the name “President” with the word “Congress” that is were you you will define sucess or failure! Clarence wants to praise Clinton for all of the wonderfull things that happened during the Clinton years. What he does not understand, or will admit, is that congress made it all happen. NOT CLINTON! Mr. Clinton fought tooth and nail against all the changes that CONGRESS made. It was the “contract with America” that was sucessful, not Clinton. If you all remember your history correctly, Clinton himself was a joke! He was impeached and dis-bared for lying under oath!

    Please stop trying to revise history and what actually happened. This seems to be a favorite pastime of the socialists. You lefties are nothing but a bunch of revisionists/liers/thieves, and the only way you can get elected is to act like a concervitive. I can’t wait for November!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Liberals have to revise history, because the truth scares them. They avoid it at all costs.

  • A.H.

    My vote is for Obummer, the telepromter king, as the WORST. Does anyone question where his 5 million income for last year comes from when he is virtually UNEMPLOYED? He takes up space in the White House and also frequently on Air Force One. I suppose you could clasify destroying our economy and inforcing a socialist/marxist agenda as “work”. Come on America, let’s vote for “change that we can endorse” in Nov. 2010 and 2012!

  • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

    Carter got this all started, Regan’s plan was good, but Bush Sr. delayed it, and Clinton squandered it. If it wasn’t for the dot coms we would have been in the toilet during Clinton. Bush Jr was a refreshing change to Clinton who was too busy staining a blue dress instead of using his half dozen chances to have Bin Laden. The Media convinced the people of many lies, and much of what Bush Jr was good, but he didn’t have the balls to stand up to the democrats that took us all to the financial cleaners, thanks to Carters lead and Clinton’s support. Our current president, Obama, the Muslim mobster, unqualified to hold that office, has sold us all out by promoting the Reed/Palosi way to socialism, and the unions are loving the ROI (control of the healthcare industry) of their illegal efforts that got Obama elected. Worst? There is a lot to go around, and we could also go back to Johnson who sold out our monetary policy to the Fed. I just see a whole lot of power in the control of those that want this country made into third world status, and Obama is sure helping them by being a very effective mouthpiece for that. My vote is for Obama, as our children and grandchildren will see a huge debt before they are born, that they will never be able to repay. His support of big business and the Chicago mob, who ruined our automotive competitive edge with Japan, links him to providing control to those that hate Americas progress, and now have the power and control to bring us down. Yup, three more years of the same by Obama, like what he has done so far will cinch his position as the worst, right after Carter.

  • Mr. Know it all

    FDR was the worst…and most corrupt. He is the socialist that started the downfall. Every time this country elects a Democrat the country goes down hill. No one wins and everyone looses. Friends don’t let friends vote democrat. I’m sure the are some good Dems out there, but you just can’t trust them

  • http://gmail i41

    We haven’t seen high interest rates yet! Under Carter, the enviormental simpletons wanted everyone to graze, our education system got hooked up tighter to the government, thought he could just talk to the muslim thugs around the world when they held Americans, and was a one term prez! Osimple-azz spends more taxmoney than ever, giving billions to foreign countries and their banks, there is higher unemployment than even under FDR, he will have the US in several wars, unless, as he wrote in his book, if it came down to a conflict, “he would back a muslim nation”, he is showing his colors, more every day. Now the UN has put Iran on “womens right board”, didn’ have Susan Rice, the anbassador even vote or make a comment. Oh well the stupid bleeding heart broads wanted changes when they marry a muslim, they can be stoned or klled freely. We have a phony muslim in office that cann’t prove where he was hatched. I could care less if Bush had school records, but he was born in the USA, as all of the past Presidents. The USA will be in a fight with the dictators all over with the hold hands, bow, and make nice. We peed away 15 months playing patty cake with Calipsyso Al-Babaa, and helped them get closer if not already having a nuce, gave into Russia in return for nothing. Get negoation skills, his socialist communist advisors got him his desired results. Ruin America!!

  • brownyj86

    We don’t expect anyone from the right to say anything decent about OBAMA, it’s just politics. But a fair minded person will realize that when ever you have Democratic President, there is always a culture war within the country. Democrats like Clinton and Obama tend to focus more on the issues like healthcare, jobs, and the economy, this is where the working people are. Conservative worry more about foreign affairs, domestic issues are not important (only when you get information that suicide bombers has hijacked american planes and you failed to act). Conservative people are afraid, they are greedy, concerning more about culture, class and if their money is going to those people. It’s OK conservatives, Pres Bush received a surplus, no wars and great economy. If Pres Bush had giving this mess to JESUS, he couldn’t fix in 4 years.

    • DaveH

      When are you Liberals going to learn the fact that taking from the producers and giving to the non-producers does not make a better economy? The producers quit working hard (I’m one) when taken advantage of, and the non-producers, who didn’t work hard before the support, sure aren’t going to work harder after it. So by design, the economy suffers. Not only that, but taking money from the people who earned it, just to redistribute it to those who didn’t is just plain theft no matter how you paint it.
      If we got the Government mostly out of our pockets, the resulting prosperity would do much more to help the poor than any redistibution of wealth is going to .
      The one’s that benefit from Socialism are the leaders and their gang members (Government Employees). Everybody else loses in the long run.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Yeah. Will the last person getting on this cart, when it will no longer move, please appologize to the rest of us for helping get your sorry asses this far?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        For some reason they believe in the trickle up economics, which cannot and will not ever work.

      • American Citizen

        Under socialism you have two classes, the rich fat cats in power and the rest who are all in the same boat, the poor. Socialism destroys the working middle class. All you have to do is study recent history to see it doesn’t work.

        • DaveH

          Good point, Citizen.

  • kenneth bay

    If we eliminate the FED and uphold the Constitution,
    we could balance the budget and cut personal income tax to almost nothing. In Congressional hearings on September 30, 1941, FED Chairman Eccles admitted that the FED creates new money from thin air (printing press), and loans it back to us at interest (Reference 17, P. 93). On June 6, 1960, FED President Mr. Allen admitted essentially the same thing (Reference 22, P. 164). If you or I did this we would go to jail

    More ominously though, with Obama’s plan to take on the Federal Reserve Bank he becomes only the second US President to attempt to break this insidious creatures stranglehold over the United States after President John F. Kennedy, on June 4, 1963, signed Executive Order No. 11110 to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest

    Consider the facts: In 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt issued an edict that recalled virtually all gold in the U.S.—and forbade Americans from owning it for investment or speculative purposes.

    • Leonidcat

      I have read EO 11100 and believe it to be still in effect because I cannot find where it was negated. JFK died 5 or 6 days after signing this order – LBJ purposely did not enforce it.

      • Leonidcat

        Ops – EO 11110. Sorry

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      We could balance the budget on one year if WE THE PEOPLE demanded of OUR government, when THEY spend OUR money on OUR behalf to ONLY buy AMERICAN goods and services. The math has already been done.

  • John Hunley

    Before it is all said and done, Barack Obama will be the very worst ever, and may well be the second who is ineligible to be president. The first was Chester Arthur, whose father was a British subject, of course, Mr, Arthur destroyed or hid his family records to prevent his impeachment, as has Obama. Obama’s father was not an American, Obama has said he was a Kenyan.

    A Supreme Court decision (1874 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162) addressed the issue of a person born in the United States where one of the parents is not a U.S. citizen at the time of the birth of the child. The ruling noted that in such a case, the child’s natural born citizenship status is “in doubt.”

    Ruling also states: individuals born in the United States or elsewhere by one or more parents who are not U.S. citizens are not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States absent of federal statute affirming their eligibility.

    Therein lays the current situation of Barack Hussein OBAMA II (aka Barry Soetoro) and the need to establish his citizenship status through authenticated documents. It is not all about WHERE he was born, it is to WHOM he was born.

    Is that is why he has spent over $1 million to prevent the release of his certified birth certificate? But the lame-stream media will not investigate the man who sends “chills up my leg when he speaks”, that would make them look bad.

    Just as his buddy, Hugo, did to Venezuela, will Obama be able to change the laws to “affirm his elgibility” to be dictator for life?

  • Pappy

    Take a deep breath folks.

    What makes a great country? What makes a great president? Isn’t the answer to both closely related? Is a country great because it ladles it wealth onto its poorer citizens?

    Today about half of us pay no income tax. Using that standard, we would be greater if the country could change that “non-paying” figure to 75% – with 25% paying tax. Of course that would mean the 25% would have to learn to live on much less.

    Would a person earning a million dollars be willing to live on $30,000? Maybe not; would you be willing to let someone take 97% of what you earned? If this happened to you, wouldn’t you try to do something about it? I leave the answer to you.

    That does not seem to be a workable solution to making a country great, does it?

    Isn’t a great country a lot like a great person; someone who has wisdom, power, influence, financial stability and the strength to protect and defend himself? So if a president improves these traits in the country, isn’t that what should make him great too?

    It seems that too many writers here use emotion when looking at a presidential record. If we want to influence others, shouldn’t we use universal logic that all understand? Was our country stronger, safer, wealthier? We can’t measure this by individual status but only by the country as a whole.

    OK, exhale. And thanks for listening to an old man.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I would say Pappy, that a man should be responsible for taking care of himself, not have a bunch of kids he cannot support and take care of, and not expect someone (the government) to take from someone else (me) and give it to him so he can be irresponsible and have fun and play while I work to make a better life for me and my family. We do not need a government punishing me for working hard and being responsible, and rewarding Joe Crack dealer for not working and popping out 7 kids with 5 different woman. This may sound preposterous, but I guarantee you it is prevalent all over this country. The liberals support this life style, they reward it, and they never speak out against it. We dont need big government taking care of us and taking from us, neither one. We need smaller government, and for individuals to be more responsible. What ever happened to a man being a man?

  • kenneth bay

    9/11 was a inside job

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      You are too ignorant to be part of this discussion.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Get real, and put down the crack pipe allready.

  • Mr. Know it all

    Browny is pathetically wrong!

    1) Obama has done nothing (not one thing) to create a job, The only job he has created is a government job. You know, the jobs that us tax payers have to pay for!

    2)We are in a recession and can’t afford Obamacre. After November, hoefull we can start the process to repeal it.

    3) Consertive people are not greedy, they give more to charity than any other group of people. Did you see I said “Their” money? Not other peoples money.

    4) I am also a bit disappointed in Bush. However, it was Newt and HIS congress that balanced the budget. Not Clinton.

    You are a revisonist!… or a idiot!?!

    • Leonidcat

      Clinton did not balance the budget – if you don’t believe that go to the US Treasury website and see for yourself. On the day Bush took office Clinton had a $17.9 billion deficit (taking out SS money). Clinton’s budget – passed by congress – for the first year Bush was in office left Bush with a $133 billion dollar deficit. Clinton has put such a spin on this that people actually believe it now.

  • Homer

    Here are “MY” thoughts! The worst president, even though he has not finished his (illegal) term is OBAMA! Why do you ask, just because he is not a legal president, he is a usurper, and he got in w/no experience and no creditability and he came from no where and is an empty suit and has PROVEN he is untrustworthy and he desires to destroy this country! The 2nd worst would be FDR, he took America off the gold standard and he started this socilaized mess we are in along w/all the programs to increase the fed govt! the next would be Lincoln, due to his making the states less important than the govt. He gave more power to the govt, states rights were reduced. The best presidents were those forefathers who wrote the constitution and set upi this “once” great nation! To God be the “GLORY” great things HE hath done!!!

  • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

    We are a Republic. The Democrats want a democracy, by definition. Democracy is defined as mob rule. The Democrats are guilty of treason by definition, when they promote and change our Republic into a socialist democracy. It it that simple. For the little people? Uh Ok, and they are making more little people out of the middle class than you can count, all the time giving the peoples money to big business and the mob, all the while claiming to helping us. Sorry, but your excusing Obama is hollow when you look at what made this great.

    Nature has a basic rule, and our country followed that rule. It’s called survival of the fittest. Capitalism is that kind of policy too. Our country grew because we were given the liberty to rise to the occasion. To take risks for the reward of success or failure. When you introduce socialism, as Democrats do, you remove the incentive for risk takers, and people that believe in themselves.

    Dammit, the weak and the poor are supposed to die off, it is natures way. Continue to promote the weak and gutless spongers and you will have a country of nothing but that, and the Democrats will have won, because that is what they need to control the majority.

    Go look again at history, and what has worked for other countries.
    Go look at nature and realize that thousands of species are going extinct every year for a good reason. Without the incentive to do good, as the democrats loath, we will all become slaves to the new world order. Is that what you want? Go look at history, we are on the path to our own distruction, by definition.

  • Pappy

    I forgot to mention; when using statistics, back them up with facts. Most of those trying that gambit come across as rather silly.

    Yes I know; “Statistics are like a girl in a bikini very revealing but concealing the most important parts.” Successful politicians have a command of the technique but most of us would be better off staying clear of that tar pit.

    I’d better shut up for now.

  • eugene

    Like it or not assassination can be a good thing

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Not really, look at what would happen…..

      We would have an idiot as pres, then we have to do him.
      Then Nancy Palosi would be pres, and she would be next.

      The list is so repugnant, that we would have to assinate
      a dozen or so before we got to someone that even knew what
      our Constitution and founding Fathers designed, or how to
      even implement it again.

      • Save America Susie

        I AGREE….A good saying is: NEVER make someone a Martyr who you cannot bear. It will come to bite you in the butt. Then they will be worshipped bigger than life.

        Not a good idea….No to mention breaking the law.

        We are better off to just wait out their term, and then their time in office will be forgotten as a wasted presidency & a learning experience for US. (Ala Carter.) Otherwise their follows become up in arms. If we just leave them alone, their own followers will realize they have not even kept their promises to them, and will leave them of their own accord. They might even be converted to see the light then.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Why do you think he made Biden number 2 and Pelosi number 3. Pretty darn good insurance policies, dont you think?

  • toLakewoodWA

    Acronyms. TIC for Teleprompter In Chief is apt if BS is the party line. But if BS is Bailout & Stimulus then maybe better BO be titled an ATM rather than a TIC.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    The only thing that I wanted to add is that America is actually the true Israel described in the Bible! The son of Joseph, not Judah! The Bible says so! While I’m on it, the Bible also says(and I’ll give you the verse for this(Deut. 17:15)) that Israel is forbidden from putting a foreigner(non-Israelite) over it(Israel) as it’s leader! My last point is that this will bring about the “Two Witnesses: described in the bible that will punish Israel for just this act for 3 1/2 years(Jacob’s trouble)! They(Americans) will pray for death, but can not find it! It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Two Witnesses come to punish Israel as early as this September! PS: Anybody that tries to stop them, the bible says that “fire” will come down from the sky and destroy them! Watch!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      In case your interested, the two witness’s are Eli and Enoch, who were taken up and never died an eartly death, but will when they come back.

  • eddie47d

    George McMurtry 7:11 am; You say George Soros has an oil deal in Brazil with our money? Your comments just might prove why we need more transperancy in Washington and more regulations to stop corporations from pulling the wool over our eyes. Too many corporates make deals nobody knows about and we all pay dearly.

    • JeffH

      eddie47d, unfortunately, Soros is beyond the transparency as is our whole government. The Rothschilds and Soros of the world have seen to that. Most of the political elite are a part of the “One World Order” ideology pushed by the billionaires in the shadows.
      He who controls the worlds finances controls the world. The Rothchilds have influenced and controlled the power of governments since 740 AD. We, the people, just can’t grasp that thought and brush the idea off as just a lunatics conspiracy theory. Obama is just one of a long line of presidents, Republican and Democrat, that pay homage to the “shadow government” pulling the string of the worlds leaders.

    • Meteorlady

      Soros, among other elites, pulls Obama’s strings. Many of the liberals here need to get an education about Soros. He runs a hedge fund and bets on a country’s currencies to devalue. In October 2008, McCain was ahead in the poles. When Lehman Bros. started to topple there was over $550 billion that disappeared within two hours. Soros bet against the dollar and made billions. The feds tried to pump money back into the system, but when they saw what was happening they quit because it was of no use. 5 days later Obama was ahead in the poles.

      Soros has been indicted many times in many countries, most recently in France for insider trading, almost brought down the Bank of England, has engaged in the destruction of some third world countries. If you dig enough you will be appalled at what you will find about this man.

      Soros gave Obama’s campaign well over $10 million through his various funds and companies. Many of his companies operate off-shore so he is not accountable to the US even though he lives here and is trying to bring us down to third world country status. He is an avowed one world order person and a strong supporter of socialism.

    • JeffH

      Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
      Too bad it’s not in U.S. waters
      Wall Street Journal
      AUGUST 18, 2009

      You read that headline correctly. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil.

      The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.

      George Soros stands to make hundreds of millions in profit from a loan by the U.S. to Petrobas for offshore drilling. Why is no one surprised? Perhaps as a thank you gesture, George Soros has been pouring millions of dollars of his ill-gotten gains into the Obama Hell Care racket.

      Soros Hedge Fund Bought Petrobras Stake Worth $811 Million
      By Jeb Blount and Miles Weiss

      Aug. 15 (Bloomberg) — Billionaire investor George Soros bought an $811 million stake in Petroleo Brasileiro SA in the second quarter, making the Brazilian state-controlled oil company his investment fund’s largest holding.

      As of June 30, the stake in Petrobras, as the Rio de Janeiro-based oil producer is known, made up 22 percent of the $3.68 billion of stocks and American depositary receipts held by Soros Fund Management LLC, according to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

      • Save America Susie

        Liberals just do not want to believe this is true. They want to believe BO is altruistic. But sadly, that is like being “Ostriches with their heads in the sand”. But sooner or later they will have to come up for air.

        • JeffH

          Save America Susie, they won’t come “up for air” until they’re discarded, tossed aside because they are no longer usefull to Obama and his handlers.

          • Save America Susie

            Good point!

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            Look what it took for Germany to realize that Nationalism is NOT a good idea. BTW, that is where the term Nazi comes from. While the Democrats continue to nationalize everything they call the Republicans Nazi’s. Boy the press shure loves to hear the idiots parrot that misnomer. It proves how debauched they are, and how ignorant the democraps are..

          • Save America Susie

            JR, Interesting bit of history about where words come from. That is a curious thing about why the right is called that, when its the left who wants to put America in a straight jacket.

  • http://walnut39@tds.net Edwin E Mack

    What you all tend to forget is that the President was not intended to RUN our government. Has anyone ever heard of CONGRESS? We have 100 Senators and 435 Representatives who aren’t any better for the American people than what I just flushed down the toilet. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHECK POINT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR GOVERNMENT. We have 3 branches of government; one to check the other BUT they are all corrupt. It takes but 2/3s of those people to over-ride the President. Where in hell is their leadership abilities? It’s all in their arrogance, money, greed and quest for power. The way we’re going it won’t be long when there is no power. The American people have the power but don’t know how to use it in November. Now the Supreme Court has given all of the future elections to the Corporations power of MONEY. Is the highest Court in our land corrupt also? Looks like it!

  • eddie47d

    JRBeaman; Clinton didn’t go after BinLaden? What a crock!He authorized strikes against Ladens compound (missed).The Republicans stepped in and took away all funding to go after Osama .They said it was a waste of time. Kind of like what Republicans are doing now. Always trying to sabotage any positive efforts.

    • JeffH

      I recall reently watching a NG documentary about the hunt for BinLaden and vividly recall that Clinton, as president, had close control over the blackops/CIA project to KILL BinLaden. He was hunted for several years and when the CIA finally had him in their sightes he was with a Saudi prince. The project was halted because Clinton recinded his authorization to shoot BinLaden because he was with the Saudi prince.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      YOU ARE IGNORANT. Here is a bit of education for you.

      BILL CLINTON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11:

      “The results of a special investigation – examined how a nation and an administration, through a combination of inactivity and massive failure in the intelligence community, were asleep at the switch during the Clinton years. And how, without warning, those seeds of terror reaped a bitter harvest on America’s second and even bloodier day of infamy, September 11.”

      “It’s the economy, stupid,” was the buzzword that many pundits acknowledge catapulted Bill Clinton into the White House in 1992. During the Clinton years, the deficit plunged and the stock market soared. It was a time of peace and prosperity in America with the Monica Lewinsky affair providing a comic sideshow along the fodder for late-night TV Hosts. But while the economy roared and the latest Monica jokes made the rounds, the seeds of terror were blossoming around the globe. In 1993, Americans were horrified to see the bloodied corpse of a U.S. serviceman dragged through the streets of Mogadishu by a mob of rabid Somalis.

      Then came 1998 and the lethal bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. Still, the administration did little but lob off a few cruise missiles now and again. And the seeds of terror kept growing. The results of a special investigation – examined how a nation and an administration, through a combination of inactivity and massive failure in the intelligence community, were asleep at the switch during the Clinton years. And how, without warning, those seeds of terror reaped a bitter harvest on America’s second and even bloodier day of infamy, September 11.

      The Clinton administration repeatedly mishandled major opportunities to kill or capture super-terrorist Osama bin Laden, the man who declared war on America. On at least two occasions, foreign governments actually offered to hand him over on a silver platter – but the Clinton White House refused to accept him.

      At several other junctures, a 60-man unit of specially trained commandos had accurate information on bin Laden’s where-abouts and were eager to attack him – but the President never gave them the final go-ahead.

      These are among the stunning revelations of a special probe of secret files on the events leading up to the terrible tragedy of September 11th.

      Kept by key operatives in the U.S. war on terror, the files produce a chilling picture of top government officials so blinded by arrogance, self-interest and indecision that bin Laden was free to carry out his murderous schemes despite being clearly marked as a dangerous international killer.

      “Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States many years ago, but unfortunately he wasn’t take seriously by U.S. officials,” Yossef Bodansky, director of the U.S. House of Representatives Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, told the special investigators.

      “It took a horrible tragedy, a horrible attack on American soil, for the nation and its leaders to see what has to be done,” said Bodansky who is the author of the best-selling book “bin Laden: The Man who Declared War on America.”

      The shocking lapses of the Clinton administration’s policy toward bin Laden can be most clearly seen in three separate incidents.

      In 1996, when bin Laden was living in Sudan, the Sudanese government offered to extradite him to the U.S. or allow U.S. forces to seize him there. But the Clinton White House failed to accept the offer, believing there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute bin Laden.

      In 2000, while bin Laden was hiding in Afghanistan, an Arab official made a back-channel offer to produce the wanted terrorist en exchange for the U.S. setting up an Afghanistan relief fund. Again, after a series of diplomatic gaffes, the Clinton administration declined.

      Throughout the late 1990′s, a secret Special Forces team was prepared to attack and kill bin Laden and often had accurate information on his whereabouts. Nevertheless, Clinton never gave the group a go-ahead, choosing instead to launch a botched attack with unmanned cruise missiles.

      The 1996 incident took place while bin Laden was living in Sudan, having bought his way into the country with his personal millions. Meanwhile, the Sudanese government came under intense pressure from the U.S. “Sudan’s President Omar alBashir was eager to end U.S, sanctions against his country for harboring terrorist and I persuaded him to offer to arrest and deport bin Laden,” Mansoor Ijaz, chairman of a New York investment firm told the investigators in a exclusive interview.

      It took me months to persuade al-Bashir to make the offer – but Clinton rejected it almost immediately because the administration didn’t believe it had enough evidence to prosecute bin Laden effectively and would thus create an embarrassing international incident if he was released.

      “I still believe that was one of the biggest mistakes Clinton ever made!”

      Again in July 2000, Ijaz approached the Clinton White House with a plan to get bin Laden into U.S. custody.

      “A friend who was the head of counter terrorism for an Arab state called me with a plan to get bin Laden out of Afghanistan and I passed it along to Clinton and his people,” Ijaz told the investigators.

      The scheme involved stetting up an Islamic relief fund to aid Afghanistan in return for the Taliban quietly handing over bin Laden to the Arab country, where U.S. forces could apprehend him.

      But again Clinton balked and sent an envoy to ask the rulers of the nation involved, the United Arab Emirates, about the plan. This front-door approach embarrassed the rulers of the Emirate and scuttled the delicate operation.

      “These guys in Washington were completely asleep at the switch,” Ijaz told the investigators. “I feel that their policies actually helped fuel the rise of bin Laden from an ordinary man to a very powerful figure. When the horror of September 11 took place, I thought, “My God, this is the result!”

      Clinton himself at a dinner in New York recently confessed his failure to respond to Sudan’s initiative as “the biggest mistake of my presidency.”

      In the late 1990′s, Clinton signed a secret order authorizing the use of deadly force against bin Laden and an elite Delta Force unit of more that 60 men was specially trained to attack him.

      On several occasions in 1998, 1999, and 2000, the force had reliable eyewitness or satellite information about bin Laden’s whereabouts and was ready to move into Afghanistan to go after him

      However, unwilling to risk American lives, President Clinton never gave them the order.

      “We were ready to move,” said a former Army Special Forces officer who helped draw up plans in 1998. “We failed to receive an execute order from the President. The only way you can do something like this is to put people on the ground, and we were not allowed to do it because of this stubborn policy of risk avoidance.”

      “So out of concern for 60 Delta Force operators and SEALS who are ready and eager to perform the mission, we lose thousands of people in the World Trade Center. It is a disgrace!”

      Eventually, President Clinton did try to take out bin Laden – but the result was an embarrassing failure that ended doing more good that harm to the terror master.

      Instead of putting men on the ground to go after him, in 1998 Clinton responded to the U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania by ordering an attack of 66 Tomahawk cruise missiles on a bin Laden training camp in Afghanistan.

      Unfortunately, bin Laden was not at the camp when the missiles hit, and the effort backfired.

      “I think that raid really helped elevate bin Laden’s reputation in a big way, building him up in the Muslim world,” said Harlan Ullman, a Washington defense analyst.

      “My sense is that because the attack was so limited and incompetent, we turned this guy into a folk hero.”

      Other experts believe Clinton’s domestic political problems had much to do with these lapse in the war on terror.

      “Clinton was pinned down by the whole impeachment and the Monica Lewinsky affair,” Washington-based intelligence expert Jeffrey Steinberg told the special investigation. “Others in the administration were running the show. The Lewinsky issue took Clinton out of the equation from September 1998 when the scandal broke almost through to the end of 1999.

      This is why Presidents shouldn’t fool around while in the peoples White House. Any corporate official would be fired for such an activity. Why was not our president discharged forthwith?

      Without understanding the full scope of the actual situation, the people of the world, and particularly this country, have no clue to what really caused this tragedy. Bill Clinton’s blatant offensiveness, as a representative of the free world provoked the Muslims into attacking that which offends them so much… The decadence of the West. Do your homework, for with out it, your opinion means nothing.

      Because of the above facts, I believe that Bill Clinton is fully responsible for the attacks on September 11th and the deaths of 3000+ people, including the cost to the taxpayers for the war on terrorism.

      • Save America Susie

        After the Impeachment hearing, Clinton would have been removed from office EXCEPT for one vote. He dangled by a thread.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          And you know why?

          Because then Gore would have become president,
          and Gore is not a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

          Follow the dotted line there….

          • Save America Susie

            Wow! Chilling!

  • Gymbo

    During the campaign Obama pledged to be a uniter and govern from the center, yet that is exactly the opposite of what he has done. However this is no surprise to any of us, as this is a man who held the most far-left voting record in the US Senate. This is the man who went to an islamic madrassa as a child, married an America-bashing wife, attended the extremist anti-white preachings of Reverend Jeremiah White for two decades and is friends with a domestic terrorist and Communist revolutionary Bill Ayers. The man spent his years before the Presidency immersed in corrupt Chicago politics alongside his ‘work’ as a ‘community organizer’; whatever that is. Obama held no executive experience prior to assuming the Presidency and frankly is not qualified for the job. And it shows.

    During his first year in office Obama has been indecisive, weak, useless and spiteful. He is a smug character who enjoys using the power of the Presidency to increase his own celebrity by appearing on chat shows and magazines. He has spent the past year appeasing moslem terrorists, appeasing Iran, appeasing North Korea, appeasing France, appeasing Russia, bowing to the Emperor of Japan, bowing to the moslem King of Saudi Arabia, and brought socialism to America. And that’s not all!

    The media mocked President Bush for being an idiot who couldn’t talk. Yet Obama can only speak when he has a teleprompter in front of him. He has also tripled the US budget deficit through reckless spending, took six months to decide what to do with Afghanistan while his military chiefs begged him to make a decision, snubbed his country’s allies Great Britain and Israel, ordered the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention center for enemy combatants and granted the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks a propaganda coup with a civilian trial in New York. He has all but ended the War on Terror and suffered three islamic terror attacks on home soil (the latest in Detroit thankfully unsuccessful). All in all Obama has been incompetent and utterly clueless.

    Which brings us to the main question, is Barack Hussein Obama the worst President ever? Obama is certainly going the way of his modern Democrat predecessors Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, both of whom were spectacularly useless and severely weakened America and the West. His approval ratings are down at 46%, the worst for any President at this stage in modern history. There are three years left of Obama’s first term in office, and if he is going to make a success of his Presidency he will have to start acting like a President. His current obsession with childish partisan attacks on opposition politicians and the media will have to stop. Yet I doubt they will. That gives him three years to cement his position as the worst President ever. And the most racist and prejudiced.

    • Mike In MI

      Gymbo, and anybody reading this -

      If Obama ommitted to Islam while he was at that

      • Mike In MI

        Sorry about my wandering thumbs. Anyway:

        - at that madrasa, anyone who believes a word he says is foolish beyond repair. Why? -

        The Koran stipulates that if an Islamic makes any promise to any non-Muslim, no matter how solemn or binding or legal, he may at any time
        reneg on his word without guilt, sin or sense of wrong doing.

        }”+

  • eddie47d

    Clarence Sweeney; Folks on this site never let facts get into their way. This is not the UNITED States, it’s every man for himself and then they wonder why we aren’t UNITED. We do as we darn please and then expect people to come together. We all think we’re the smartest person at the party and constantly berate the person who is really in charge. Then they demand respect and morality in a decaying nation. Unemployment was a big issue in your list but our CEO’s don’t care about employment,seldom has. The more they lay off the more they pad their own pensions and bonuses. Those who “worship” wall street love unemployment too. Their stocks go up. What an evil sickness! Too many on wall street didn’t earn a darn thing. They expect huge salaries no matter what they do or what the performance is. They manipulated our economy for their own lifestyle and we have all been misguided by this travesty. Alot of Americans ride on the back of our casino economy no matter how far it takes us down.

    • Meteorlady

      I for one, like being able to invest in the Stock Market. It has allowed me to save for my retirement. I also like most of the corporations as I work for them and make a good living doing so. I think CEO’s are paid too much though and that their salaries should be based on performance. The company that I work for allows me to put away 13% of my salary into a 401K and they match .50 Cents on the dollar up to 10% so they are helping me save for my own retirement which will be handy when SS goes bankrupt because of government theft from the trust fund.

      If we had quit interfering in free enterprise years and years ago, not allowed the creeping socialism programs passed by our government, and saved our money for the future, we would be a much better country with more jobs and a healthier economy.

  • gregory

    Would it be possable to rally as many people from around the u.s to arizona to support there brave new law? to counter the critics of this new law who appear to be of the progressive ilk, i would suggest talking to the bikers who have loud exaust pipes on the harleys, they seem to drown out the chants of the usual law breaker voices, maybe a biker rally in those locations were pro law breaker rallys are going on would be good stratagy. remember that illeagles cost all of us tax paying suckers, i would suggest that if you support the illeagles way then you need to pay -for them-not me,i vote to just say no to supporting law breakers by inducing new state laws, do you understand what the 10th amendment means about states rights? i understand that the gov of texas and other states like ohio of all! understand that the tax paying citizens are sick of the crimes and cost to the tax paying citizens that these illeagles are costing us, enough is enough! the federal govmnt is not doing its job and its time to close the candy loophole. To the progressive-we understand that you wont see the light until you feel the sting of crime from these crimanals in your own little word made up of gumballs and lollypops, we pray for you,the hardest lesson learn’d is the lesson learn’d the hard way!!! if you support these law breakers then sell everything you got and give it to the illeagles, and give them every thing you own to further your utopian idealog mission here in my free country, yes you guessed it-im a native american!!! maybe one day we might concider you the progressive a crimanal as well, untill then make stupid laws for your selves not us the true free, we dont live in your little circle of commie controll run by your master commie obamie. weve been pretty quiet up until now, our survival skills are unbleavable to you snot nosed commie progressive punks, think about it-do you people know us verry well since we became educated and have managed to keep our traditions and way of thought alive, we belive in a one higher power who is our master, we wait and watch as you progressives implode under your own lack of common sense, remember the progressive offers nothing to society other than controll of other peoples hard earn’d money,energy,and anything else you can steel! you commies live in a little circle of ideals without common sense, we live way outside of that sick and ill circle and we surround you with our common sense and wisdom, in the end who do you bet on to survive?
    I SAY FIND JESUS!! AND YOU MAY JUST SURVIVE.
    food doesn’t grow at the grocery store, and there will come a time when you will be begging us for food and other life essentials, jesus helps us because we have faith in him, who do you progressives have faith in? commie obamie and his band of utopian idealog pirates!!
    REALLY?

    UNCLE GREG

    • Meteorlady

      A lot of bikers might just sign on – they are already believe in freedom and less government control. Maybe during Arizona Bike Week we could all just rally around the governor for signing the new bill.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Pass the word!

  • eddie47d

    Clinton made his share of mistakes but too many citizens focus on what he and Monica did. They love the soap opera drama (smoke and mirrors) and then ignore the financial health of America. Who’s making America stronger should have been the focus. Military power is only a small part of that and certainly isn’t what makes a country a great nation.

  • gregory

    hey ed, the state run media uses the tail wagging the dog trick every chance they get, case at point is the bj issue in our white house, this was just a sacrifice by clinochio to cover up some other scam that drug dealing punk was getting caught at, ask his scum bag drug dealing brother rodger the dodger, O thats right clinochio was a draft dodger as well. his white trash old lady is a little smarter than he is by 2% because she just barly doesent get caught at all her indescretions, ask janet reno, it apears now that there is a book comming out by an ex secrete service agent who spells out the freaky relationships between slick willy, his ol lady, and juicy janet and some high dollar fund raising cocaine partys,

    • Meteorlady

      Hey don’t forget Vince Foster and also the fact that Clinton received monthly payoffs from Tyson while governor of AK.

  • Marcia

    I am reading a book called After Shock and it is saying to me that we never before had a bubble econony but now we do. With the healhcare and the fix for Banks and the Audo industry and now the economy is
    in a Bubbles economy. That means that we do not expect to be paid back the the bubbles will burst at some level and we will be a bankrupt nation. The resessions we had in the past the Government did not do a thing to stop it. So we crashed in 1929 was the great depresson and the governement could not help the people in the bread lines but we did recover and the money layed out was paid back.
    Under Obama we do not get to be paid back we have serious problems in the economy. And we will not recover.

    • Meteorlady

      You are correct. Even GM is running an ad campaign about paying us back. They didn’t – taxpayers still own a hugh percentage of that company. What they are doing is called “false advertising” and it should be taken off the air as such.

      • Save America Susie

        Yes, my husband and I were outraged when we saw that phoney GM ad!!

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          And Ford, who refused the federal money, because of all the corrupt entanglements, has shown the third straight quarter of honest profit.

          Imagine that?

          Oh, I forgot, Obama, and the Democraps, are not for big business, but for the little people?

          • marvin

            ABinGA and i have a gold mine in my back yard

      • marvin

        Meteorlady gm made 2 billion and paid the tax payers 5 billion but the 5 billion came from a loan set aside from tarp money they got about 60 billion in tarp money so here is what they owe about 65 billion give or take a few billion but in liberal counting you get 60 add 5 and your paid in full if you can figure that out your smarter then i

    • gregory

      hey marcia, you are correct, these progressive movement pirates have been planning this take over of a free society sinse around 1905, ask charlie chaplin, the 1929 crash can be track’d to these commie progressive thugs as a means to take controll of a free society, and enslave them with freedom fees, read the book by carl marxxx the commie manifesto, it explains in great detail like a well crafted war plan how to take over a free society by tearing them down first to make them wards of the state and realiant on big overreaching government, ther goal is to put us in so much debt and to create as many hardships as possable as to make society want to relie on them –thus they have a class of slaves to take the power from the people and make the pimps kings and queens , ask nancy lalapalosie, these people are just modern day pirates, they only seek power,and controll over you and everybody else, to be honest i have come to the conclusion that most politicians are in on the scam as well-in one way or another.read carl marxxx book to see what there next steps will be.

      • Meteorlady

        Government creates chaos so they can pass laws to stem it. Control………

    • Save America Susie

      …And our Great-Grand kids will have to be on the Barter System!

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Yeah, if the Muslims don’t kill them first for being Christians.

        • Save America Susie

          JR, Interesting Irony here…Have you seen that Youtube video about population numbers on each ethnic group? In 30 or 40 years, whites will be outnumbered due to their low birth rates. Americans produce about 2.1 children per couple. Muslims/Arabs will be the majority, because each couple has 8 kids–UNLESS we let the illegal Mexicans in, and then they will be our “salavtion”, possibly. There is no way that whites can catch up to the birth rates now, except in 100 years or some such number. Unless they start having 10 or 15 kids again–like they did in Revolutionary days in 1700′s. And they are just NOT going to do that! Europe is in a similar boat. We will go one way or the other. You won’t recognize the America or the world in 50 years. Demographics of Denmark, France and Germany for instance are: about 50% Muslim births now. The world is changing.

  • Mike In MI

    Well, Well done, AJOHN – Interesting you bring up King Hezekiah.

    There might not be any way to stop the world slide into One World totalitarianism from this point – except for the unlikey event that a sudden world wide conversion to an accurate and faithful application of Apostle Paul’s teaching and example. Sadly, I think that opportunity came and went.

    The reason for that opinion is that the other day I realized that an ancient belief held by the Biblical prophets and Rabbinical traditions has come to light. They held that Noah’s Ark should come forth just prior to the beginning of events portending the battle of Armeggedon, the establishment of the Messiah’s Kingdom in Jerusalem and binding of the Devil and his underlings. The Ark was found in the mountains of Ararat (18.2 miles south from Mt. Ararat) in 1977 by Ron Eldon Wyatt (see http://www.ArkDiscovery.com). For some reason, probably God’s timing, this discovery has been knowable, unsuppressed, since 1987 when the Turkish government established a park at the site.
    Another discovery purporting to be the Ark made msnbc news this week. This find, however, can not be the true site because the ne find was on Mt. Ararat. Trouble is according to records Mt. Ararat, a volcanic formation, erupted long after Noah’s little float trip came to rest “on the mountains of Ararat”, not “on Mount Ararat”. (Looking for this I found the ArkDiscovery site. Lots of other great Biblical information at the site, some accurate, some ???.)

    If any inquisitive liberals decide to take a peek you better take a couple stiff drinks first.

    God Bless you all. I feel like Chip Wood…lots of great hearts represented here.

    • gregory

      hey mike i believe you have somthing here, ive been studding this type of stuff all my life trying to gain as much wisdom as possable. im starting to come to the conclusion that in a world wide effort by the evil powers that be in controll, it is verry likley that these folks have had a plan in place to utilize a few verry evil technologys on everybody on earth using the alpha frequency at 10 hrtz through a navy project cal’d project haarp, in concert with nasas project blue beam as to convince the masses that jesus budha mohamad etc are all in one as to get everybody on a one world way of thinking and excepting a new boss as master through the united nations , keep in mind that i fall verry far from consprcy theory beliefs, i never intended to give this subject a thought untill i accedently stumbled on some non classfd imfo that lead me to some other locations wich got my curiosity up and i became consumed in solving the puzzels, all roads lead to unhappy athiest whos pride and ignorance wont set them free no mater what, i say to them time is running out quickly and they need to swollow there pride and return to the light, remember DARKNESS IS ONLY THE ABSENSE OF LIGHT

      • kate8

        Remember a while back – last fall, I think – world religious leaders met in Australia to discuss the formation of a “world religion”?
        This is also foretold in Revelation.

        • marvin

          kate8 they can make up all the religion they want but remimber what paul said to the corinthians ya i know you have a lot of religions what paul was telling them you have a lot of superstitions god is not dead he is still in control and gave man free will chose ,to follow him or the fallin one of evil, be ye not deceived it is best to go to heaven in rags with a clean heart then go to hell rich and a black heart jesus said the only way to my father is thru me and the blood i shed on the cross that is why it is call christianity , christ like belive in me and you will never perish what i am saying is obama is not the antichrist but that day will come when you ask no man knowest, no one but the father in heaven if you belive they may take everthing you have and your live but can not destory the real you your soul, obama is just a left wing power hungre liberal thats drunk on power and money

      • marvin

        gregory read my post to kate8

        • gregory

          marvin i read it and i agree with your studdy, as im familar with it as well , it is my belief and nothing can take that away..
          your wisdom i reconize..
          DARKNESS IS ONLY THE ABSENSE OF LIGHT.

    • Save America Susie

      INTERESTING STUFF! As of now, Most Bible Prophecies have already been fulfilled before the “time of the end” comes. Jesus fulfilled 300 of them in his own life on earth. So to turn away from those facts is to not want to know the truth. And unbelievable that anyone would willingly not want to know more, is it not?

      Yet somehow, I think this old world is on a collision course, never to be the same. Like someone in a speeding car when the breaks go out, who covers their eyes before impact. They don’t want to see.

    • Jeep

      Sorry, Mike, but it looks as though this “discovery” will go down with the last dozen, or so locations purported to have been found. As with most of these “discoveries” this one appears to be a hoax.

  • Meteorlady

    Since people here are talking progressive, liberal and conservative I might add this comment.

    I am a Libertarian I guess – I believe that the federal government should get out of my life and my family’s lives. I believe they should let the states make their own way – no more revenue sharing, it’s unfair. I believe that people should have to make their own way in this world and that if they are able to work, they should. I believe we are paying too many people to do nothing in this country and it’s eating into the very economic stability we once had. I believe that we are in the mist of an invasion of illegals that bring with them drugs, crime, guns and money laundering, plus taking jobs Americans should be able to get. I believe that there is corruption in this country, but for the most part people are honest and hard working.

    I have been called all kinds of names – including selfish because I believe as I do that people contribute to their own circumstances and should make their own way in the world. With that said, and my stance clear, I will make the following observation.

    I work for a couple of charities in my county. One is Habitat for Humanity and the other is a children’s fund. NOT ONE TIME have I encountered a liberal or socialist or progressive working beside or with me. Not ONE time have I been there when they have contributed their own hard earned money to our causes. Most all of our money comes from the local churches and our local banks. If we had all the tax dollars that go to support useless people that are able to work but won’t we would be able to double our efforts to bring people out of poverty and help them reach above the poverty level.

    Most liberals and progressives believe that it’s good to take my money against my will and give it away to others “less fortunate” – but who decides who is “less fortunate”? The federal government certainly cannot since they have allowed waste and fraud into all social and health care programs. They have squandered my money and I reset that I don’t have it it help the truly unfortunate in my community.

    • marvin

      that metorlady is the way most conseritives and christans think it is called a helping hand but a liberal way of thinking a handout is the way to gain power what you do is out of love and caring what a liberal does is out of gread and control

    • http://personalLibertyDigest Judy

      right on. God bless you

  • chuck b

    i don’t know much about ancient prophets from the bible, i don’t cater to a lot of the conspiracy stuff, however, you don’t have to be a genius to figure out whats going on with the muslim in the white house. he ans his cohorts are jumping from one issue to another, first healthcare, then wall st. and next will be energy, cap & tax” immigration reform lurking in the shadows and when the focus gets to hot on any one subject they chabge the focus to something else, you notice when this arizona bill came up and the muslim is confused on what to do, “walla” we have puerto rico in the spotlight to become a state. he would love this one, look at the proximity of puerto rico to haiti and the dom. rep. you think we have border problems here wait until they start hitting the shore there. and at the same time the muslim picks up a senator or two and a few congressman to bolster the democratic party. the christian right doesn’t have to wrry about biblical catastrophe, god has taken a look at this mess and went back home.

  • JihadaGilcrease

    Why should you be concerned about Texas issues? ‘Eminent Domain’ under the control of such districts and the secrecy related to out-of-control spending of the Tarrant Regional Water District.
    TRWD is preparing to seize over 100 business properties in Fort Worth and transfer these properties to private developers via ‘Eminent Domain’ for a commercial enterprise. Old established businesses for 50+ years were privately developed/owned by individuals hiring workers, paying taxes and increasing the county’s tax base. The new Trinity River Project will cost a minimum of 909 million. It is estimated that the Texas Tax Payers will end up paying the cost.
    Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that the TRWD’s board members routinely hold discussions, debate, receive briefings, and make decisions in committee well before their vote in an “open meeting”. I question the legal issues regarding these board members ignoring the Texas Open Meetings Laws. This is important because this board has acted as a “RUBBER STAMP” for all decisions coming before the board over the last four years.
    We are in an out-of-control “Culture of Corruption”. Clyde Picht, former Ft Worth City Councilman, believes the water district operates with too little public scrutiny.
    Please investigate the Ft Worth situation realizing that the ‘Culture of Corruption’ is expanding throughout our great land. Please help us inform others.

    • gregory

      AMEN ON THAT CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, there isnt to many leagel ways to stop these thugs, so i ask you by what means do you think we will eventually get to to stop the corruption? look at the history of man and the cycles of man and ithink your answers await, you know were we are headed but like me we store this thought in that corner of our brains because the thoughts are verry frightning.

  • Boyce Robbins

    It amazes me how many people think the person in the White House is solely or primarily responsible for the economy. The digital revolution, globalization, the democratization of credit and many factors led to the economic boom of the late 1990′s.
    What a great President could have done was to investigate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and stop the cancer before it nearly killed the world financial system and act decisively to thwart terrorists. Clinton did some good things- NAFTA and helping Mexico through its financial crisis- and, otherwise, acquiesced in the actions of a Republican Congress. Congress makes the laws and passes the budget- not the President. Giving Clinton credit for these good things is a bit like praising the organizer of a golf tournament if the weather is good.The world financial crisis of 1997-1998 led to a flight to quality and hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign capital coming to the U. S. and driving the stock market up so fast that the taxes on the profits grew faster than Congress could spend the money- hence, a “surplus”, that is, if you don’t count the ongoing raid on the Social Security trust fund.

    • Meteorlady

      I keep trying but……… maybe someday.

      CLINTON DID NOT leave a budget surplus. When he left office there was a $17.9 billion deficit and the budget he signed for the following year (Bush’s first year as President) left a $133 billion deficit – taking out SS. You can find these figures on the US Treasury’s website.

      NAFTA was good for this country? How was that when we lost more jobs to Mexico?

    • Meteorlady

      Now lets talk leadership. A President leads – congress should follow. A President signs bills and budgets – they have the authority to veto. This president has proceeded to divide this country like I have never seen in my lifetime. Reagan was good at communicating – he took his arguments to the people and he exposed a lot of bad ideas that congress had. Obama lectures – condescendingly I might add – and does nothing to bring the two sides together. He has his agenda and will not work for consensus because he chooses not to. It’s good for him to keep the Republicans out of the equation and he does that very well by down playing their role in this administration. If you watched the health care summit you would have seen no equal time accorded to the Republicans – you would have seen Obama defending his position and the Democrats were then allowed to defend theirs. Meanwhile the Republicans were given not 1/2 the time, but 1/4 of the time. Their actual figures and numbers were ignored by off the subject arguments. A true leader leads and gains consensus, obama patronizes and lectures but does no real leading.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        You have to admit that Obama is the best snake-oil salesman for the Palosi/reed crap. It just makes me sick that his talent and mafia background is being used against such a great country. (was)

        • Meteorlady

          I do agree to that …..

  • Frank

    Boyce, I got 2 words that thwart your idead that the President is not responsible…Executive Order. Every president is responsible for allowing the Federal reserve to continue to destroy our economy as far as I am concerned. Yes..Congress is just as Guilty for their cowardice and treachery for allowing the FED to exist as well!

    • gregory

      BINGO FRANK! we are verry quickly running out of options to stop all the madness and corruption, in the near future how do you or anybody else for that matter think we will beable to stop this verry fast moving train? look at history, all societys on earth have let the evil ones slowly take controll of everything by trusting them at there words, many years later they noticed when it was to late that there idea of free life has slowly been taken away by the evil ones they trusted at face value, they were faced with the facts at those times that they were beat in a game of chess, and had no other options left to beat them so it came down to what?
      thats wright, and you know as well as i do that what is comming around again, what is the only way the corruption goes away for another 100 years or so, then the evil ones make there appearance again, its a neverending cycle that will always repeat its self, maybe after what we will have learn’d our lessons and know what to look out for next time….

  • Texas Vet

    The Best President ever? My great, great, great….grandfather Thomas Jefferson.

    Second Best? My great, great Uncle, U.S. Grant (so he drank a little bit and was cranky — that’s the family hand-down rumor anyway.

    Third Best? G.W. Bush (take that you liberal wackos!)

    The Worst? Carter was pretty bad. Sadly, One term Obummer is heading down the same path. Clinton was bright, but nuts (or focused on his nuts). I voted for JFK, but in today’s world, he’d never make President.

    T.

    T.

    • Meteorlady

      I’m not a “liberal wacko” and just can’t agree that GWB was a good president. He was adequate and didn’t really do a lot of damage. His Iraq war was a bad mistake but some good did come from it as the Iraqi people now don’t have to fear getting gassed because of their ethnicity. But one of the best Presidents – not – he listened too much to Chaney and he was not tough enough on a lot of issues such as taking the Fannie and Freddie debacle to the people when the Senate Banking Committee refused to listen to him. He also could have enforced our immigration laws and worked to bring down terrorists. I will admit that even with the wars and the deficit he got from Clinton he did well in controlling the deficit until his last two years in office.

      • Texas Vet

        Hi Meteorlady, Good ‘sponse. Note however, that in Bush’s last two years, the liberal media financed the democrap takeover of the Congress, then pushed their financial agenda set in motion by Clintonocrat forward. That includes Barney da’ Thief.

        The really good news abut GW, is he was blind to race, color, and sex within his Admin. He just wanted people who could perform. That’s exactly how he governed Texas so successfully.

        One of the folks above did mention someone who is on my list for the best. Harry S. Truman. That guy was a man’s man. A tough, no-holds- barred decision maker.

        T.

        • Meteorlady

          I agree – I think that if historians are honest in their assessments they will be kinder to W than the news media. He did get a lot of bum raps when he didn’t deserve them. I believe he was basically pretty honest and he certainly was family oriented and believed in his faith.

          I really cannot say who I would nominate as the best president – maybe Eisenhower for his courage to do the right thing for America not for his party of the congress.

  • psutopgun

    I said March 5th 2009, in an e-mail to my senators, that the Obama administration presented the biggest threat this country will faced in my life time. THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED…THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT E-MAIL IS OBAMA IS THE MOST DANGEROUS THREAT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER FACED IN MY LIFE TIME. I originally thought he would not intentionally do what he has and continues to do…the systematic destruction of our great country. This man has set out to destroy this country and so far he is getting away with it! We are coming, starting in November of this year, and will continue even after every last progressive is out of our education system and local, state and federal government.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      What else could you expect from a Chicago Mobster, hate America, Muslim, userper, illegally our President?

      It’s funny (strange) that it is a black(?) man that will return the citizens of this country all into slaves……

      • kate8

        That is a very good point, JR. Another thing I find interesting is that Osurper is working for the same people that have always been behind eugenics. And who have they always wanted to eliminate? The black population, for one. For all that they worship his as their “savior”, he will betray them.

        The main target of the abortion agenda has been blacks. Margaret Sanger (whom Hillary so admires) thought dark races inferior.

        “He caused a great delusion to come over them because of their rebellion and refusal to repent. The delusion was so great that even the elect would be deceived, if it were possible.”

  • http://none Monique Tyler

    So there were some Presidents better than others in the past, I am more concerned about the present one which I believe detest this country and will do whatever he can to destroy the constitution which he already by-pass wiht his non appointed or elected Czars, I believe they are all communists, socialist is not strong enough. My hope is the mid term election will save us from more damage by throwing out all the Obama drones in Congress and hopefully reverse some of the
    damage he is doing to the my beloved country.
    M.Tyler

    • gregory

      hey m.t, i agree with you, part of the evil ones tricks is to divide people by calling them raciest, or tagging them with some other negetive bumpersticker names as to try to shut them up because they know that it is not in most christian folks nature to fight the evil fight with them and at that point they become inpower of the situation, ive been getting as many people as i possably can to agree to come out of there frightend shell and not roll over any more and take this bs lying down and get out and vote in nov. vote them all out, then in 2012 vote out commie obamie, it will take every freedom loving citizen starting right now to get out aand talk to folks and be armed with all the provable facts to back them up to convince people to vote these evil souless bastards out, and put in some real moral replacements, unfortantly most folks wont do this because they are afraid of being call’d raciest, this is the only thing these cowards can come up with—-REALLY? so what if they call you raciest, its just a word. your friends and family know your not a raciest, so what does it matter if a bunch of POVERTY PIMPS call you a raciest, are they not raciest for accusing folks of being raciest givin the things that they do? these elections will be the most important elections we will ever vote in in our life time-they determine our great grandchildrens future, call me anything you want i just look at the sourse that that type of bulling comes from and laugh because they know thats all they have left, people are starting to figure out just how evil these commies are, and i believe we will see records broke at the voting booths in nov. im not a member of any group, im just responsable for my self and the well being of my family, but i feel i owe our service members who have fought to secure my freedoms a large debt of gratitude by being one of the people who go to the polls and vote for morallity and freedom, and tell the progressive pirates to go BACK YO HELL..

  • http://none Monique Tyler

    worse President ever

  • chuck b

    monique tyler

    we need to replace quite a few of the republicans at this same time. in fact the biggest part of the old guard repubs should be voted out along with the communist left demos. if we don’t make a big change why bother.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Carefully pick the best candidate, even if you have to hold your nose, untill we get back on track.

      Childish “Throw them all out” is a guarantee to our continued path to failure.

  • Truth-Seeker

    JeffH-9:56 am–
    You’re absolutely right–and apparently one of the few people here who understands what is really going on.
    As to who is our worst President–Woodrow Wilson, FDR and G.W. Bush are all good candidates. During their campaigns, Wilson and FDR both promised to keep America out of war, but when elected, they turned around and deliberately took us to war. Wilson championed the League of Nations, the first Rothschild attempt to create a world Government. Later, he realized he had betrayed his country–and said so. FDR confiscated the gold of American citizens, officially recognized Stalin’s Russia, created a number of unconstitutional Gov’t agencies and had an administration riddled with Communists. At the end of the war, he allowed Stalin to take control of most of Eastern Europe.
    Bush was with little doubt involved at some level in the greatest crime in American history–9/11. No, he certainly didn’t plan it–he isn’t smart enough! But obviously he knew what was happening and it was his job to stay out of the way in that classroom in Florida and let it proceed–while Dick Cheney took charge. Based on 9/11, he then instituted the phony “War on Terror”,got the unconstitutional Patriot Act passed and set up the unconstitutional Homeland Security Dept. Again using 9/11 as an excuse, he took us into undeclared wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, both based on lies–which have now cost us around a trillion dollars and many lives. Talk about impeachable offenses! Also, he failed to protect our borders as he promised to do.
    Washington and Jefferson would certainly be among the best Presidents–and Andrew Jackson was a good President–if only because he recognized the great danger of having a central bank (controled by foreign banking interests)in control of our money supply. He fought to abolish the Second U.S. Bank and succeeded–and he was nearly assassinated as a result. Of course, now we have the third U.S. Bank–the Federal Reserve.

    • Cathy

      I’m all for Jefferson. But Jackson? He treated the Native Americans like shit.

  • Willyg

    I used to think there were only 2 sides to every issue and the debate on “What Is Is” was contentious. Boy was I wrong.

  • Mark D.

    “Please, turn off the all-caps key before you start typing.”
    Spoken by a true, literary purist. My retired English teacher mom would be proud of you, Chip. (As am I.)

  • BonnieMW

    Clerance, I agree, I liked the Clinton Years. Business was good. People were happy. The very best thing he did was get rid of 10,000 IRS agents and then Mr. Bush hired them back and of course Mr. Obama has and is hiring as many or more than 60,000 IRS agents to Harass, Intimidate, Treaten, Lie and steal. I am quite sure if you lined up the conservative men and the liberal men the adultery would be about equal. I will admitt drug dealers are worse than IRS agents, maybe but I am not aware of that side of the Clintons.

    I will say, Barak Obama, no doubt, will go down as the worst president ever!!

  • JeffH

    Mat Staver, Founder and ChairmanLiberty Counsel +++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi! I urge you to take a minute to read this and join me in taking action.

    The Obama/Reid/Pelosi axis of power continues to ram its socialist agenda down our throats, while ignoring the citizens.I have joined a “Don’t Tread on Me” campaign that I believe you would like to participate in. ++Cease and Desist! The “Don’t Tread on Me” petition will mobilize tens of thousands of like-minded concerned citizens like you and me. The messagewill be sent to the media, our elected officials and into the courts of public opinion. Plus, you’ll get a free “Don’t Tread on Me” campaign sticker. Join me in this campaign. Let’s send a “Cease and Desist” order to Congress and anyone else participating in their socialistic movement by shutting down one of the most corrupt socialistic legislatures in American history. http://www.grassrootsaction.com/216/petition.asp?PID=24490257&NID=1

  • http://none Barb

    I just want to respond to your comment that Obama will probably not be re-elected. (I pray you are right) But do you not know how corrupt he and all those with whom he associates are? Do you not know why he is trying to give the illegal alians legal status? Do you not understand why he is sneaking Puerto Rico in as a state so fast? He is buying votes. He is the king of bribary. God help us all.

    • marvin

      barb don,t forget was dc tring give them house reps and mabe a sen

    • DaveH

      What’s next? Statehood for Venezuela maybe?
      http://gunowners.org/a043010.htm

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveH,
        Nah, it’ll be Iran!!!!

  • Craig

    What a silly article. All presidents, generally speaking, represent the predatory ruling class, ranking them is pointless since they are all shameless globalists and are united in bringing in their 1-world tyranny.

    And of course 911 was an inside job, don’t be stupid. NORAD failed 4 times in 1 day, WTC no. 7 wasn’t even hit by anything and it tumbles into dust, we can’t find the 4 black boxes but the paper passports appear on Ground 0, etc. etc. I’m not sure about Bush’s role in it, he at least knew about it if you gauge his reaction at the school and Rice’s memo to him a month earlier.

    You people better wake up and realize neither the neocons nor the neolibs are your friends.

    • Texas Vet

      Craig, you are a nutcase conspiracy theorist. Each of your 911 claims are easily proven to be absolutely false from a hard science standpoint. Sorry to pop your fake balloon

      T.

    • Jeep

      You may be onto something about Bush’s reaction to the news about 911…he should have jumped up at the news and ran around screaming in front of those children. That would have been REAL leadership…sheesh…

  • chuck b

    texas vet

    craig has his conspiracy date wrong, it was 118 (nov 08) that was the day the tower’s were blown away, the towers of freedom and the state of the republic. the inside job done by the muslim in chief.

  • marvin

    here is a bit of info to the people of arizona as obama call misguided from the sup court on 10th Amendment’s federalist principles in Plyer v. Doe. The court held
    that, “despite the exclusive federal control of this Nation’s borders,
    we cannot conclude that the States are without power to deter the
    influx of persons entering the United States against federal law, and
    whose numbers might have a discernible impact on traditional state
    concerns.” so to all that think you can pick and choose the laws you thank are unconstitutional the states have a right to enforce there laws and all you liberals and obama need to read the law /laws befor opening mouth and inserting foot

  • voted against carter

    It’s ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
    Can we say “Cloward-Piven Strategy,”
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967
    Other wise known as the Alinsky solution.
    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
    End game reveled:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHXLA&feature=player_embedded

    And If you disagree with me, you must be a homophobic, BABY EATING CANNIBAL, NUT JOB RACIST!” So there.

  • DB

    In the end all the name calling gets us nowhere.

    If I could say something to the whole country it would be:

    #1. Read the Declaration of Independence and Constitution every 4th of July and before national elections if you have to. Remember all the federal officials we elect take oaths to support it. We should put those in power who actually will. Now who on the left or right can argue with that?

    #2. Every credible financial adviser since the beginning of recorded history has told us three things: 1) get out of debt 2) live within your means 3) save something for a rainy day. Now who on the left or right can argue with that?

    Now ask yourself what the person you voted for has done with these issues, because in the end if we don’t keep the constitution and we rape the economy with debt and inflation where will we be?

    In all fairness there are republicans as well as democrats who come down on the wrong side of these issues. Now who on the left or right can argue with that?

    • Meteorlady

      Oh gads, but our government tells us to accumulate debt, spend more than you have and NEVER save for a rainy day because to them the sun always shines.

      • Jeep

        Yep…According to libs the sun shines right out of Obama’s…well, you know.

  • chuck b

    db

    that kind of attitude about name calling sounds like gwb, if you have been reading most of these posts calling names are from the communist left. not standing his ground and giving in to the liberals is where georgie fell down.

    my congressman has voted exactly the way he promised except one bill, he voted for the bailout.
    i haven’t seen any of the so called conservatives on this post siding with the rino repubs and most agree they should be voted out come november.
    the liberal’s think anyone showing consideration or courtesy toward them is a sign of weakness and their predatory sense kicks in.

  • American Liberal

    4 decades of Reaganomics tanked this countrys economy…. Then you add the moron from Texas ( Bush) and that’s a disaster in the making…

    • Jeep

      …and then multiply the debt times three under Obama…yep, a disaster alright!

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    its bed time, oh! i forgot today is friday and you don’t have school tomorow.

  • eddie47d

    Save America Suzie; Your list was insulting at best.4-8-09 was a win for Obama if you are keeping score or just trying to make points. That wasn’t even on American soil so what a stretch.6-1 Gee Obama is responsible for a p.o.’d soldier,not hardly. Maybe he shouted out to the guy, Obama made me do it! 11-5 As bad as it was are you saying we should have mind control in America and know what each and every one of us is doing or thinking at every moment? Nobody else knew what he was going to do that day either. Do you know if one of your neighbors is going to commit a crime tomorrow? !@-4 I didn’t know Obama was in N.Y. that day (Not!) Was that a terrorist attack or just a looney AMERICAN going biserk. Maybe your related to Harvey the rabbitt and his imaginary mind. 12-25 That’s a real kicker!Now Obama is responsible for someone boarding a plane in Holland. You don’t want National I.D.’s in America so that would require a World I.D. and even more airport scrutiny. You can’t have it both ways Suszie. 1-3-10 Embassies have guards and they did what they were supposed to do. Another big win for Obama. 1-25 Looks like an imaginary attack to me if nothing happened on that date.Come on,pull another rabbitt out of your hat!

    • American Citizen

      It all happened on his watch. They keep blaming President Bush for 9/11, so what’s the difference?

  • soterusa

    Go to: “Tranceformation of America.com” to learn who the worst modern Presidents, and other politicians are, or do a search for: “Cathy O’Brien, MK Ultra.”

  • Lee Wacker

    I said it once, and I shall say it again! Americans have opinions on everything, and are quite willing to discuss it—-radically, sometimes! Sometimes civilly, but there are plenty of thoughts on the subject—whatever it might be!

    As for the worst five presidents: Still thinking on it. Haven’t made up my mind, but Woodrow Wilson is at the top. And, Jimmy Carter is up in the top three, too, just haven’t decided whether to make him #2 or #3. My biggest beef with him were the failed “rescue” attempts. Those soldiers were from the 101st, and the post. Fort Campbell, is just down the road from me! They’re MY kids! And, he hurt them——
    I’m still working on the others, and I have thrown out the question to the rest of the family. Some of their comments should be interesting! I think I’ll keep this article, and let Chip know some of our feelings on the subject. Great subject, though, very thought provoking!

  • eddie47d

    refuse2lose, “clinton bombed Somalia,Afghanistan and cost hundreds of thousands of lives”. Did your brain receive signals from outer space for those numbers? A few hundred would be more realistic. Rwanda,Iraq and Guatemala. You got me on Guatemala,I didn’t know it was an issue under Clinton.It sure was under Reagan,3000,000 were killed by his policies (are you crying for the women and children killed under his watch?). That short wave radio you have for a mind must have lost it’s signal again. Rwanda was a U.N. operation under the French not Clinton. In Iraq he only enforced the No Fly Zone after the Gulf War.

  • ABinGA

    Lee Wacker-I agree Jimmy Carter s/b in the top five. He sure made a mess of GA as governor.

  • Clement Williams

    i can’t believe that I actually bothered to read all of this ranting and raving which doesn’t seem to have any clear through line. I hope nobody writing on this blog ever becomes president because then we really would have the worst president ever. Yes I do include myself in that too.

  • Drtiminer

    Chip… Your asinine statement “…the fact that 27 fanatical jihadists, armed with box cutters and other weapons, took control of those airplanes was strictly a coincidence?” certainly indicates to me that you know not what your talking about, for there were 19 alleged hijackers… I believe your rose colored glasses are smeared and you have sold your soul to the government media… There is WAY to much evidence that has been forsaken by the oligarchy fox guarding the hen house..

  • ’53 Korean Vet

    Mike in MI & others– You do type in– arkdiscovery Red Sea Crossing– Then, click on (Red Sea Crossing, with “Chariot Wheels found”…) We see that Pharaoh led his Army of 200,000 men between 2 walls of water over 1,000 ft. deep, and all were drowned when the Sea returned to fill the gap! In Num. 2-32 is a Bible Census count, that said they had over 600,000 fighting men between 20 to 50 yrs-old–so we count nearly three times that number, if we included women & children-! We’ve counted nearly 2 million Israelites that crossed the Red Sea-! To retake Kuwait–you saw U.S.Forces at their Arabian Desert & Sand borders–literally, nothing else was seen, no trees, bushes, weeds, nor grass–a ‘True Desert’-! Water-Trucks fulfill our troops’ needs! Think–what would you do with 1,000 persons in a desert like this, & each person was given only–a 2-gallon canteen! How many would be left alive at the end of 40 days-!? Can you see the big problem-!? Now, type in– Coronation Stone, Jacob’s Pillow…this takes you to a ‘Red Page’-thus-we see a history of the fabulous “Stone of Bethel”–read all of it. It’s the’Only’Stone in the Bible–that’s “anointed with oil”–carried to Egypt, given to ‘Joseph’ & in the “Exodus”, it left with 2 million Israelites, plus 200,000 animals–in the middle of the Arabian Desert-where they ran out of Water! By God’s blessing, they’re provided with ‘Manna from Heaven’ for the next 40 years. Some will say that Moses tapped one Cliff, & water flowed out–but you cannot “Drag that cliff” around for 40 years, as you wandered-!! But tapping”The Bethel Stone”in this desert & sand country, provides them over this 40-yr period–with “More than 110 Billion Pounds of Water”-! (Which there’s ‘No-Way’–they might have carried even one- hundredth of that much with them!) But like a suit-case–this stone weighed 342 lbs, & was carried with a pole, slid in between 2 metal rings on ‘The Stone’, & was called “Their Rock of Salvation”, and God provided “The Water” They Needed!! (Go to ‘Subject-List’ at Bottom of Page) I know when you saw the movie of “The Ten Commandments”, you saw Charlton Heston as “Moses”, “Parting the Red Sea”! You thought that was a ‘Great Miracle’, & it Was! But that was Only–a minor miracle, compared to “Providing 2 Million People–and their Beasts–with Water, in the middle of a forsaken Desert!!” Only God Could Have Done THAT–During those Days-! But using this 342 lb.’Stone’ for an example–with God’s “Command”-! “I want you to look at “Our Rocky Mountains” here in America, or the “Andes” in South America, & the “Alps” in Europe’! (How many more of Billions of Tons are THEY–than this 342 lb. “Bethel-Stone”!?) If God so-wished that THEY should “All” Produce “Water” of that Quanity–It Would Happen! (All Things are possible with God–but with men? They are still Blind!) Just like–with Pharoah–Egypt’s “man-god”, He couldn’t stand the “Real Power” of Israel’s God!! Incidentally, Queen Elizabeth II, had the “Bethel-Stone”-set ‘under’ her chair, when she was crowned! In the photo–please note–that the hardwood pole bending from the stone’s weight–& being carried for 40 yrs, wore a ‘grove’ in the top of the “Bethel-Stone”-!

  • ’53 Korean Vet

    Oh! If you think “You need to decide, who was “Worst or Best”, I say we’re wasting too much time, giving credits to “Has-Been’s”-! What we need–is more people deciding–”What Do ‘WE’ Do to correct “Our Present & Future Politicians”-!?

  • Dave @ oak beds

    That’s not possible, I would much prefer a raging ranting madman than Bush, at least then every single person wouldn’t doubt what went wrong.

    • Meteorlady

      Step back – take a deep breath and really study history. You might find something interesting instead of listening and absorbing all the swill the media throws at you.

  • Russ

    You will never convince some people that their favorite president was the worst and should that president be named, the untruths will flow to no end. Every president has to deal with some in congress that do not agree with him, or her. Every president has to deal with some voters that do not agree with the president. I am the only person to announce who the worst and the best president was, but not everyone will agree with me. Jimmy Carter and Lynden Johnson were probably the least effective presidents. Ronald Reagan was probably the most liked president because of the type of person he was. Richard Nixon was probably the most disliked president even though he had the democrats running in circles prior to Watergate debacle. Neither of the Bush’s were as bad as the democrat lies and half truths would like you to believe. Obama, while I thought he might be a good president and was a good looking man, turned out to be really good at telling lies during the campaign, a habit he couldn’t shake while in office. Time for a change, he never actually said what kind of a change he had in mind until it was too late. The worst? Even the worst sometimes did a few good things occasionally, and the best even did a few stupid things occasionally. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and the most beautiful next president will be a Republican beyond any doubt in my mind.

  • chuck b

    it looks like the muslim chief barry could be having an affair with one of his campaign workers so the national enquirer is reporting. maybe he was trained by bill clinton for the job. drudge reporting

  • Robert

    Worst Presidet? Has to be Boris Yelstin. Thank God he wasn’t re-elected.

  • Jack Wallace

    Just on very un-contentious comment on you “The Worst President Ever” post:

    The Pantheon is in Rome, not Greece.

  • JPW-

    JeffHate;You repukes are crazy.Who protected the Saudis more than Bush.Right after 911 he had the rest of Bin Ladin’s family flown out of the US so no one would harm them.Then when I see him French kissing the Saudi prince and their walking hand in hand that is pretty sickening after what they did to our country.I’m not knocking his exit out of the closet it was just the wrong dude.Do you know who really attacked this country on Bush’s watch?The Saudi’s

    • http://?? Joe H.

      JPW,
      If you murder say 15 people, should we let the people lynch your family kids and all? Or use them as hostages to try and get you to surrender? Are they guilty of the crime or is bin ladin? Do you have a clue as to what people would have done to them right after 9/11? It was his responsibility to get them to safety! don’t be an ass!!!

  • Frank

    Its prety simple. Obama is overthrowing America and the US Constistution. As far as the progressives/communists,and the Lib Republicans/RINOs, GET OUT OF OUR AMERICA..

  • DaveH

    For you bleeding hearts. This is how it is once you allow the welfare state to give people money for nothing. You would think the recipients would be thankful to the taxpayers for giving them the free support. You would think wrong. Instead when you can no longer afford to give them something for nothing they turn on you:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Greek-unions-protest-expected-apf-4127633637.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

    • DaveH

      By the way, for those of you who want to learn, I want to point out how the media gives a bad name to lesser government. Notice the statement in the article “groups of black-clad anarchists”. They are “anarchists”? Bull. These are people who want Big Government, the kind of government that supports the non-workers with the stolen money (taxes) of the workers.

  • http://gmail i41

    JPW, Bush at least stood up as an equal, not bowing low to check if there was a speedo or not. Odork is still the worst, we never had a President, besides Wilson that made no doubt about crushing or strong arming anyone who wasn’t supporting his policy. Of course his dream team of thugs and socialists taking government control of everthing, see if goes like this, media or free press, manufactoring, and now banking. Second phase, legislative, judicary, and of course a muslim fake non American President. We now have a socialist, communist, dictator running the land mass and its people. And it only took the progressive democrats a 100 years, so I guess we have endured a hypersocialism wave in the last 15 months. USA has had its 100 year war, with dems controlling the press, media, manufactoring, legislative, Presidental position, banking, and soon the judicary. Welcome to democrat dream country, of complete control, regulation, corruption out in the open, eleit class of, the controllers that go to college non-stop and produce only theories. To learn about the socialist styles of, Marxist, Alenski, Hitler, Castro, and Chavez, all these wonks will either adopted styles, forced feed crap and loved by democrats, and make USA a third world wonder!

  • Save America Susie

    Once we truly lose Freedom, it will be almost impossible to VOTE it back in…

    “This is the last stand on Earth. If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to”. –Ronald Reagan

    However, as long as we have the VOTE, there is a chance to regain it.When that disappears, we’re “gonners”.

    • Time

      Susie,
      Lets all HOPE we can find good Honest persons that have the
      USA in their hearts and not thier back pocket like what we have
      so many of now.
      We do still have a chance but we will have to be really on guard
      to never let anymore Progressives in the congress of senate
      and new in the WH ever again.
      So after the November elections we are still on guard forever more.

  • http://personallibertydigest Ron K

    CHIP, I don’t think the masses would be electing a pres. like B.O. if we had a free press in this country. SO you have to put the blame on the main stream lap dog gov. owned, and the mouth piece foe the govt. press. Thank god for conservative talk radio and web sites like this,or there will be no way to keep up with what is really going on. Thanks RON

    • Time

      Ron,
      There are many here that favor your view point to a tee.

  • Fred R

    There are claims about the Bible being just man’s ideas and about it meaning something other than it actually states but most who have seriously tried to prove the Bible wrong have become Bible believers in the process. More and more archeological discoveries are being made to disprove many criticisms. Believe it.

    The religion of secularism is less believable. It doesn’t require as much faith to believe God created than to believe that 15 billion years ago a little bit of nothing exploded and created everything.

    All Darwin proved was that finches evolved into finches.The dog kind has evolved into collies, setters, terriers, Labs, and many more whether naturally or through selective breeding by eliminating the genes that select for other traits, but dogs will not or could not evolve into horses or any other kind of animal. That would require the addition of new genes.

    There is no proof of evolution but there is lots of proof that assumption that evolutionists make are false.This includes the assumprion of long ages. Radiometric dating, for example, does NOT give the age of the rocks. Potassium/argon “dating” analysis tells how much potassium and how much argon are in the rock, not its age. It is a false assumption that there was no argon in the rock when it formed. That is proven by the fact that evolutionary “dating” gave millions of years for rock formed in Hawaii in 1801.

    Dinosaurs did not die out millions of years before man came on the scene. Dinosaur tracks and man tracks have been found together in many places worldwide. They lived at the same time.

    Canyons were not formed by rivers flowing for millions of years. In l980 when Mount St. Helens erupted in Washington State, Spirit Lake overflowed and formed a canyon in a day.

    Many other fact would point to a young earth. The Biblical age would seem to be scientifically correct.

    By the way, we are not responsible for climate change. Yes, it has been warming but there have beenwarming trends and cooling in the past. The warming may now be over for a time. It has been linked to solar activity. NASA has stated that the temperature of Mars and Earth rose about the same in the last 100 years. Now I don’t think our SUV’s affectwd Mars. The ice core samples that showed a relationship between CO2 levels and temperature actually showed the temperature rise coming first, meaning that was the cause and CO2 increase in the atmosphere was the effect. That’s logical, for the oceans, which contain more CO2 that the air, give it up when they become warmer. The CO2 we create is insignificant in warming. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It’s plant food.

    • Time

      Fred, Great post dude. Thanks for posting it.

    • Save America Susie

      “Go” Fred R! Yes, it is still called the “THEORY of Evolution”. A Theory is something not proven. But Professors still say: “This ‘May Have’ occurred….” Whole skeletal structures are recreated by the experts using a single small bone or part of a skull cap. Someone’s idea of what the being might have looked like. I saw it in Anthropology class over & over! And then there is the “Cambrian Explosion”, which seems to shout “CREATION!” A sudden layer of fossil evidence where before there was NONE. No links leading up to it either. The Bible also says the World is ROUND in the Psalms, when people were saying it was flat! Cool Fact about Mt. St. Helens! Yes, every high school student learns about plants needing carbon dioxide for food. Why don’t the global warming people remember that? I agree that climate is a cycle. Sometimes it warms and sometimes it cools. And right now, it has not warmed for over 10 years. We seem to be in a cooling trend. I noticed the freezing snow storms in the east this winter that broke all records and the rains in California like never before….Just Food for thought.

  • Charles

    I still agree with you that Woodrow Wilson was the worst. The things that most of the responders have said about Wilson’s successors could not have been done by those successors if Wilson had not given us the Federal Reserve, the income tax, the direct election of senators (who were supposed to be the representatives of the States), the Prohibition amendment, and our involvement in World War I (with its institution of the draft – conscription slavery – as well as his rounding up opponents of his administration’s involving us in the European war). Wilson claimed to be a progressive leader, but these (and other) actions by his administration show that he and his administration were leading America away from Liberty and back to the Dark Ages (or at least to Mercantilism). In addition, he (and they) were racists and were in favor of “cleaning the American gene pool” by neutering or killing those they thought to be “unfit” (probably including many who opposed them, though it never got that far); in fact, the Nazis borrowed some of their genocidal ideas from some of these so-called “Progressives.”

    • Time

      Charles, Your post is very strong on points, and well done. Thanks

  • DaveH
  • Claire

    There is no such thing as a “perfect” president nor a “perfect” administration. They all have their warts.

  • American patriot and fighting man

    Chip Wood on The Best Comments On The Worst President: you show your true Republican colors. The worst president is surely Geopge W Bush (Mr I was lied to when told of weapons of mass destruction, but I never said those words). As I recall, all I ever heard from Cheyney, Bush and the other warmonger (deferment seekers) is WMD this and WMD that, which stopped when the country found out the truth and that WMD’s never existed when we went to war.

    • Claire

      When the Bush administration announced to the world we were heading for Iraq, don’t you think that gave Iraq plenty of time to hide the WMDs? Of course it did. We announce to the world every time we close a military base, we announce to the world every time we cut back on military, etc. We announce to the world that we have cut back on weaponry. Do the other countries do this? Rarely. Personally, I think there is something to gain in secrecy, especially when it comes to America’s military might, weapons, planes, etc. I am not promoting any deviousness here, I am just stating my thoughts. Sure, I believe in transparency within our government but sometimes there is merit is speaking softly and wisely and carrying a big stick, especially when it concerns our military.

      • Claire

        “merit IN speaking….
        Sorry.

        • Claire

          Excuse me, the point of my message was that we should not tell the whole world what we do concerning our military!
          If there were WMDs they were hidden or done away with so that they could not be found. No, we should never have gone into Iraq. It was a huge mistake. Our involvement in Iraq was caused by both parties. Now it appears it will drag on forever. Remember, the Republicans agreed with sending additional troops, didn’t they? Correct me if I am wrong. Again, both parties are acting with idiocy.
          Republicans and Democrats are both screaming “unconstitutional” about our southern borders. There are quite a few Republicans as well as Democrats that do not agree with Jan Brewer. I am all in favor of literally closing our borders, but I would do it with more force and action. I would not pussyfoot around about it. But I am not in charge. I can only express my opinion.
          As I have always stated in the majority of my posts, both parties are at fault.

      • James

        Claire, The WMDs President Bush assumed Iraq had, were the chemical WMDs that we sent to Iraq back in the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran. We armed Iraq with all sorts of weapons, and Israel was arming Iran likewise, the ploy was to keep Iraq and Iran warring with each other, to prevent them warring with Israel. President (W) Bush assumed some of those chemical WMDs were still in Iraq, but they had all been used up. The reason he never mentioned that, is because most Americans didn’t know the U.S. and Israel were arming both sides in that Iraq/Iran war, and he wanted to keep it that way.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          “The WMDs President Bush assumed Iraq had, were the chemical WMDs that we sent to Iraq back in the 1980s, when Iraq was at war with Iran.”

          Uh, what about all the yellowcake from Africa that was given to Canada’s nuke power industry that Bush got from Iraq? Oh, I forgot there was no WMD…. The cool-aid will kill your brain cells, what’s left of them.

    • Save America Susie

      While I was equally shocked when I heard “Dubya” say we were going to war with Iraq, 2 years after 9/11, and he was not a perfect Prez by any means…If you look up verification sites like TRUTHORFICTION.COM you will realize that before George W. Bush even left Texas, or stepped foot in the White House as Prez, most of the left was already convinced there were WMDs in Iraq. It lists quotes from Gore, Bill Clinton , Hillary Clinton and many others there. They are in the newspaper archives & on video. Can’t escape that! GWB was just a “scape goat”, so they could wash their hands. He went on what he knew from his contacts. How quickly we forget…the archives still exist to prove this!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      American Patriot and fighting man
      I know, Saddam just convinced those khurds to suck on exhaust pipes and commit suicide, right? Oh, you may want to check out the yellow cake that was taken out of Iraq and flown to Canada. Also the spent bio war heads they found buried in the desert!!!

  • chuck b

    most of the senate and house agreed on the wmd’s before we went into iraq, even hillary and bill. they had the same info bush had. with a muslim as president of our country we can be assured iraq will end up in the same condition as before we went in. we will lose a lot of our young men and women for nothing just like vietnam. the democrat (communist party usa) under harry s truman started our country on this slide during the korean war, (it has never ended) they lost 54,000 of our troops under the mandate and conditions set by the un. so harry ranks right up there with the worse presidents. they didn’t stop there, when we entereed the fracas in vietnam, we got 53.000 more of our young man and women killed for nothing, mostly thanks to the democratic party, ted kennedy and the other liberals in our congress and our rules of engagement, they celebrated our loss there, so you might add johnson to the worse list. i believe the only reason we went into iraq was to protect israel. it was a mistake and if we did not intend to all out conquer the country we should never have gone in.
    police actions end up in a stalemate and we should never be the worlds policemen, look at our southern border we are being invaded and the liberal democrats are screaming foul when we try to secure our border. they start crying out un-constitutional when we make any attempt to stop or check out the invaders. so my contention is our biggest enemy is the democratic party.

    • Claire

      chuck b — I will agree with you on this–if we start a war, we should conquer, and get the hell out. Simple as that.

  • chuck b

    claire

    i like your political thinking. unfortunately i’m not smart enough to
    say what can be done to cure our problems, but, i do know it would help if the politicians would consider the country more than there party it might help. and people should know who the man is they are voting for

    • Claire

      chuck b—I truly believe that the so-called “two party” system is what has caused most of this nightmare. Some people remain with one party or the other for life, and vote accordingly. I repeat myself, but I have been a registered Republican probably for more than 30 years–in between times I voted for the person I thought would be best, however, this last time I screwed up. I will certainly use good judgment the next time around, providing there is a decent honorable candidate to vote for.
      I am not smart enough to know the answers either. All I know is that we better get someone in our government that will work for the people of America, not for themselves.
      People will probably think I am a warmonger, but I have always believed that if we go to war, we go to win, get it over with and come home. The killing of civilians? That is a part of war, it always has been. I don’t like it. But it cannot be prevented at times. If America was attacked, would our attacker worry about our women and children? Hell no. They would be out to kill all of us. I do not believe in dragging it on and on.
      Furthermore, we should pull out completely, these countries have fought amongst themselves since the beginning of time. Most of them aren’t going to change, they don’t want to change. They will go back to their own ways once we do leave, if ever.

  • chuck b

    claire:
    exact sentiments

  • Give me a Break!

    Worst President ever, Barack Obama! Everything the Liberals have accused Bush of, Obama has done twice as bad. High unemployment, passing laws against the peoples will, taxation without proper representation, campaign promises that were broken (Immigration reform) which has now erupted into a racial battle that has been fueled by the main stream media, and now the gulf oil disaster which will be Obama,s Katrina. This in just a short period of time, and Liberals and the main stream media continue to praise this failure of a President as though life in America is doing nothing but getting better. Day after day, and speech after speech, Obama is digging himself a deeper grave with his lies and deceptions and only the ones who are ignorant think life is bliss. How many more rights of the people or disasters, man made or natural do we have to endure before people realize this isn’t the way America should be?

  • Derrick

    George ‘draft dodger” Bush, the worst president in history on any planet

    • Cathy

      And Obummer served in the military…when? Hell, he won’t even disclose his college records…or ANY records for that matter.

      Apparently, you know nothing about history. This “worst” title covers ALL the presidents, starting with Washington. How you could miss Wilson, LBJ, and Nixon is mind-boggling.

    • Right Wing

      Especially on your planet. But its okay…they all know you there.

  • June Gagnon

    Chip-Always enjoy reading your articles; consider me one of the “contentious” ones!! As for “best, or worst”- -the only really “good” president, I recall was Reagan. In my book, the worst IS Obama – -as far as I’m concerned, he is NOT the president- -he is a fraud and a sham! Show me “authentic, factual” proof and I might admit I’m wrong- -but the faker has kept all that hidden. What does he have to hide? A great deal, I fear. At age 73, I’ve learned to be a relatively “good judge” of character and when I see a “rotten apple”, I know it’s a rotten apple. As for the nitwit, who claimed we are “unqualified to judge the competency of a president”- – wonder if nitwit holds some kind of degree in psychology, sociology, etc. If not, maybe nitwit should shut up, since he has nothing useful to contribute.

  • JPW-

    James; You are 100% right about the US arming Iraq back in the 80′s but I did’nt know about Israel arming the Iranians.Very interesting.When our weapons inspectors were in Iraq I was sure they would find the mustard gas or whatever it was we supplied Saddam with.

    • Jeep

      It is true that America supplied Iraq with weapons grade anthrax and botulinum, and authorized Dow and other companies to send “chemicals”. Eventually we supplied the know-how and materials to make mustard gas. We even sent bio experts and anthrax in 1986 to aid the Iraqi war machine. Later we even refused to sign on when the UN wanted to condemn the use of chemical weapons by Iraq. In 1987 the Iraqis began to use chemicals on the Kurds.

      So much for the sordid history lesson. The fact is that when America invaded Iraq in 2003 there were many stockpiles of chemical weapons found in several locations. There may have been more, but we destroyed numerous weapons depots without investigating their contents (better to just blow them in place than to place American soldiers in further jeapardy with their unstable contents).

      As for the nuclear threat, it was amazing that just last year we pulled 20,000 lbs of enriched uranium out of Iraq that received little press; probably because it flew in the face of the liberal media mantra that “Bush lied!” We also know that Iraq had plenty of time to get their scientists to Syria and that Russians were supplying technical support.

      And, we ran across plenty of terrorist training camps along with plenty of evicence that Saddam was exporting extremism world-wide.

  • Sheila Simmons

    OMG! “Obama…rule forever…”? What a nightmare.

  • severio nesich

    THE WORSE OF THE WORSE ,NO ONE BEAT BUSH, AND CHENEY ,THIS TWO
    ARE THE WORSE, THE WORSER , AND WORSSSEEEEEESY
    TODAY THE WHOLE WORLD IS PAYING WHAT BUSH DID .NOT ONLY TO US, TO THE WORLD TOO.

  • Shibamom

    This post is for Alex who posted remarks way back on 30 April 2010. I just found this site and was reading various posts on various topics when I ran across Alex’s post. So, here goes:

    Alex,

    Who the hell are you??? If you hate this country so damn much, LEAVE!! Do you need financial aid to buy a plane, bus, or train ticket? If so, let us all know because I think many would willingly contribute to a fund to get you the hell out!! Also, perhaps you should go back to school because it’s obvious by all the misspelled words that either you didn’t pay attention in school or you didn’t go at all!! Your little play on words didn’t go unnoticed either. For example, when you used the word “country”, you purposely spelled it “cuntry”. Oh…aren’t you so cute and smart! NOT! You are a true dick head that needs to go away. There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating your likes and dislikes but to refer to YOUR COUNTRY…you know, the one that gives you more opportunities than any other, in such disgusting and trashy way is repulsive. Then, of course, you begin to bash GW Bush saying that he did nothing to stop the 9/11 attacks. Then, you even go as far as to bash those who dropped the atomic bomb to end WWII. Geez…what if that bomb hadn’t been dropped??? Well, we may be speaking Japanese now because the Japanese were not going to stop fighting…ever!!! Something had to be done. Then you go as far as to rewrite the Pledge of Allegiance into a hateful, disgusting rant. What an ass you are! And to think that I served honorably for 27 years in the US Air Force so that asses like you can trash talk my country. The US is so far from perfect, mainly due to our corrupt and power hungry politicians, BUT…it is my home, it has given me more opportunity than any other country would have, and it certainly is a more stellar place to live, as a woman, than hell-holes like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, etc. So Alex, to sum everything up…you are a truly disgusting a—– that doesn’t deserve to even be here so pack up and get the hell out!!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The Obamination cannot be included yet, because he has to finish the destruction he has started, before we can possible understand and know the scope of the damage he has done to this country. But he could declare martial law and start rounding up all those that oppose his socialistic views, and still blind uneducated folks like American Liberal above would say how wonderful he is, because of the liberal agenda they push. When Obama has us to the point where people like American Liberal are being rounded up by Arab death squads, he will somehow tell the others in there with him, that its all Bush’s fault. Thats how these lefties see things. They can never admit they are wrong.

  • Dave

    How about a proposition for all of you conservative end of times people on here. Let’s make a pact that just before the next presidential election in 2012 we all meet somewhere. If the world is still alive and America has not become a Communist country, if no martial law is declared and people are rounded up, if Obama does not make us a Muslim country and if the world doesn’t implode you all apologize to me and vote to reelect Barack Obama. If you’re so certain you’re right then you shouldn’t have a problem with that, right?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Hey dipstick, dont you get it? Thats the whole point of why he isnt going to be re-elected, because us Real American’s that love this country, do not want these things to happen. To re-elect him, would definitely get us that much close to all these things happening. But rest assure Pal, America has woke up, and these democrats are going to be voted out in large numbers in these upcoming elections. If you care to see a preview, look at what just happened in New Jersey, Virginia, and Massachusetts. Yes, in Massachusetts also. Three in a row voted out. Thats just the start. Get the picture yet? I guess you missed the idea that what he was doing was leading to all these bad thing. Him and his boys couldnt possible deliver us to the enemy in just 4 years, they need longer, and that is exactly why they arent getting it. A lot of folks in the U.S make a stupid mistake in 2008, but they arent going to repeat it. Understand?

  • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

    But haven’t you heard?
    Obama IS making us into a Muslim country.

    Why do you think all the Muslim countries just LOVE Obama?

    Why do our schools not allow the pledge because it says “under God” in it, and yet we have to provide foot baths in the rest rooms for the Muslims?

    And don’t for one second think it won’t get a lot worse with three more years worse than the first one of this Obamanation.

  • kate8

    Beberoni, you go!

  • kate8

    JR, haven’t you noticed? The libs LOVE Muslims! They only hate Christians.

  • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

    Every Muslim nation publically supported Obama as our next president.

    Yeah, when all our enemies love a candidate, it should give us a clue who NOT to vote for, but then the Libs don’t listen to logic, or facts.

    They only look at how they can get the same income for less work.
    It’s all about the entitlements for the freeloaders.

    This little story explains it well:

    The Fishermans Delima

    A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, ‘Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.’

    The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, ‘You’re in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above at a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.’

    She rolled her eyes and said, ‘You must be a Republican.’

    ‘I am,’ replied the man. ‘How did you know?’

    ‘Well,’ answered the balloonist, ‘everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.’

    The man smiled and responded, ‘You must be a Democrat.’

    ‘I am,’ replied the balloonist. ‘How did you know?’

    ‘Well,’ said the man, ‘you don’t know where you are or where you’re going. You’ve risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem.

    ‘Furthermore,’ the man continued,’ you’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met; but, somehow, now it’s all my fault.’

    The last part could be a quote from GWB.

  • JLC

    JRBeaman — I saved “The Fisherman’s Dilemma” to My Docs. I would like to use it sometime, if you don’t object. It tells the whole story.

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