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The Benghazi Shuffle

October 16, 2012 by  

The Benghazi Shuffle
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It’s probably worth noting that a Vice Presidential debate exerts the approximate impact on a Presidential election as a preseason game featuring a pair of backup quarterbacks does on the Super Bowl. However, following the drubbing former Governor Mitt Romney dropped on President Barack Obama two weeks ago, the proxy match which was the meeting between Congressman Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden offered much more excitement than any early-August NFL tilt — albeit not for the reasons Obama was hoping.

Biden’s bizarre behavior can likely be attributed to the Democratic desperation to regain momentum following Obama’s cowering performance against Romney. However, instead of bringing to mind Lloyd Bentsen making Dan Quayle look like a naughty schoolboy; Biden came off like a creepy old guy with either a serious drinking problem or a manic behavior disorder.

But Biden’s buffoonery paled in comparison to the deliberate dishonesty with which he responded to one of the defining disasters of Obama’s lamentable occupation of the Oval Office. Asked by moderator Martha Raddatz to explain the Obama Administration’s double- and even triple-talk about the circumstances surrounding the murders by terrorists of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three Americans in Benghazi, Libya, Biden didn’t even blink as he proclaimed himself and Obama merely misinformed bystanders: “Because that’s exactly what we were told by the intelligence community.”

Either Biden — and, by extension, Obama — lied through his hair plugs, or he didn’t. If he didn’t lie, then he and Obama are so insulated from the daily disgraces of their own underlings that they’re little more than figureheads. It is possible that Obama and Biden managed to avoid the facts regarding the Islamofascists’ murders of Stevens and three others; but if they did, they did so willfully.

The intelligence community passed along word of an organized terrorist action in Benghazi within hours of the attack. Even Democratic mouthpiece Newsweek reported the terrorist angle before the day was out. By the next day, members of Congress knew the score, including House Armed Services Committee member Adam Smith (D-Washington), who said as much: “This was not just a mob that got out of hand. … it was preplanned.” For Obama to enjoy a little bromance with sycophant David Letterman seven days later without accurate details required either breathtaking dishonesty or virtually complete isolation from his own duties.

Meanwhile, if Biden’s attempt to pin the blame on some phantom failure of the intelligence community stemmed from the same casual disregard for the truth that brought us other Obama achievements such as the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, then Obama’s desperate attempt to avoid responsibility for his own failures includes a willingness to throw intelligence service officers under the proverbial bus. That comes as no surprise, considering extreme disloyalty is a mere stones’ throw from extreme duplicity.

The morning following Biden’s fumble, Obama mouthpiece Jay Carney told reporters that Biden “was speaking directly for himself and for the president.” At least we can rest assured that the Vice President speaks only for himself and his boss and not someone particularly important. Actually, considering both Carney and the corporate media’s failure to acknowledge Biden’s obscene dishonesty in denying his own pro-war voting record, it’s possible that Crazy Joe speaks only to the voices in his head.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • phideaux

    Good points Ben.

    • old goat

      Agree! However, Joe was stoned!

      • old goat

        Drug & alcohol testing is a legitimate workplace requirement in most of America. One would think #2 man, who acts totally out of it, would be #1 candidate for testing!

      • JB

        Old Goat, don’t call me poo!!!!

    • Shirley De

      Maybe if Obama would quit vacationing, playing golf, campaigning on the taxpayer’s dollar and got down to business, (the job he was elected and swore to do), maybe he would know what was going on.

  • Paul Wells

    Lie and deny…that seems to be the democratic strategy. It’s not *me* who is lying, it’s you. A little projection thrown in there for good measure. Good summation, Ben.

    • JuanC

      To top it offf Paul, now Clinton is taking the full blame for that fiasco. I believe this is a ploy to take the attention off of President Obama to make him look innocent, Not! What the Democrats won’t do to maintain the lie and deceit.

      • Robert Smith

        Hmmmm, wasn’t it Olly North who took the heat for Reagan?

        But that involved outright illegal stuff, not just a simple scrambling of information that even Mitler got screwed up in the beginning. How quickly folks forget.

        Rob

      • Paul Wells

        Rob Smith,

        So what, for once, why don’t you stay on this one topic. Bringing up, well so and so did it (whether they did or not) simply sounds like 5th grade playground tactics to diffuse and confuse. The bottom line here is Joe and Barrack knew, so stop with so n so did it.

      • Ted Crawford

        It’s certain that Hillarys taking a responsibility stance, is intended to benefit her with her constituency in 2016! I do respect her for that stance. She is at least partially responsible. To what actual degree we will likely never know, given we will never know what discussions took place between the State Department and the White House!

      • Nobody’s Fool

        There is no doubt in my mind that oBlamer called Hillary in and said, “Look Hill, you take the hit on this Benghazi bump in the road, and after the election I will have more flexibility. I’ll dump that idiot VP, Daffy Duck, and put you in as VP, and you can spend the next four years running your 2016 campaign. Being VP will give you a leg up on the competition.” So Hillary says, “Hand over the talking points, and call the press in.”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Robert’s view is the same as this administration’s view! Always look for someone or somewhere to cast blame and responsibility! They not only act irresponsibly but they justify their actions! They try to divert attention from their own misdeeds by pointing out someone else’s! This is very juvenile behavior, something you would expect from a twelve year old. It saddens me greatly that this is who is running our country! A MAN who accepts responsibility for the country should not then ACT like a child! We need an ADULT who can SEE what is wrong, make clear decisions and then accept responsibility! Not a crybaby who says, “it wasn’t my fault, well, he did it too”!

      • http://yahoo gator

        NOBODY’S FOOL, i think you are 100% correct. we saw the same thing with slickwillies sex scandal. smoke and mirrors, make the real issues disappear.

      • eddie47d

        Is that right Nobody’s Fool? Bill Clinton did not make it an issue it was the Republican Party that did so. They took a minor personal issue and turned it into a national crises for political gain. Something they are very slick at especially in how they got Linda Tripp to do their dirty work for them. The Republicans are very good obfusicating the real issues and in sabotaging the opposition.

      • Soundbiteme

        However, Shrillary takes the blame with a nasty smirk on her fat face!!! A bucket of poop~the more they stir it, the worse it stinks!!! THEY BELONG IN JAIL!!!

      • http://Yahoo.com RR Hermitt

        Hey JuanC: I Agree but will Add ” OK, so 666 H. Clinton is taking the Full Blame AFTER close to a Month of Denials etc.” But will she be FIRED or will her Accepting Full Blame be Just WORDS? & She has said that she will get OUT of Politics at the End Obama’s First FOUR Yrs. as Prez … Regardless of whether Obama gets Re-Elected or NOT… SO, she ONLY has LESS than One Month as Secretary Of State… SO, she is Taking the BLAME cause she will be History SOON. But FACTS Are: Both Her & Obama have LIE to We The People for almost a Month NOW… & Both KNEW what went down. Obama is just as GUILTY if Not MORE. Wake Up We The People. No matter How they SPIN the FACTS…. it comes out the Same which is They are Both LIARS. B. Obama’s WHOLE Life has been a LIE. HOW can Anyone VOTE for him??? “FOOL you once, SHAME on me. FOOL you twice, SHAME on you.” Those VOTING for Obama Again, don’t you have No Honor, No Self Respect, No Integrity??? You are BLINDED by his Nice Pretty Words… which end up FALSE Promises as he has PROVEN them to be… BLAME it on Bush.

      • JC

        Paul Wells says:
        October 16, 2012 at 8:17 am
        Rob Smith,

        So what, for once, why don’t you stay on this one topic.
        ___________________________________________________________________

        Paul they do it because it’s all they’ve got. Rather than admit that something is wrong…they look for another wrong to justify and rationalize…
        Apparently two wrongs DO make a right…if you’re a Democrat.

      • eddie47d

        As usual JC plays the “only Democrats do it” card. Haven’t learned a thing have you!

      • Liberty Lover

        She didn’t really accept responsibility. She mouthed the words and then immediately proceeded to blame the “security professionals” under her. I hope it backfires on her and on the incompetent dilettante in the WH. If her fans feel she is being thrown under the bus by Obama, they might well decide to stay home this election.

        Those wondering about the Romney surge among women voters need look no further than the bizarre behavior by Biden during that debate. However one assesses the subtantive parts of that debate, Biden did irreversible damage to the ticket among women simply by behaving so badly. Can anyone imagine that clown being a heartbeat away from the Presidency? Oh, that’s right, he already is! And who’s responsible for that pathetic piece of bad judgment?

      • Blame it on George

        Watch out Juan, they’re working their little lying pea brains over at the WH on how to blame it all on George Bush

      • momo

        @Nobody’s Fool, you’re giving Daffy Duck a bad name.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        October 16, 2012 at 12:45 pm
        As usual JC plays the “only Democrats do it” card. Haven’t learned a thing have you!
        ________________________________________________________________

        That’s right Kamrade Eduardo….it’s the left who play this game like the little children they are….like I said….it’s all they’ve got. Happy goose stepping my Nazi friend. ;-)

      • eddie47d

        Sieg Heil fraulein! Still playing dumb?

    • http://yahoo.com z328

      Typical DemocRATic MO….admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations.

  • Linda

    Joe Biden’s behavior at the debates was an embarrasment to himself and to our country. He is counting on the ignorance of the American people. We will see in a few weeks if he is right or not. I keep praying he is not and people will wake up.

    • Carol J

      Biden was acting childish and seems to be suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer’s. He kept repeating the same thing over and over while Ryan was trying to answer the moderator’s question.

      • Robert Smith

        “and seems to be suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer’s. ”

        Fact: That was Reagan.

        Rob

      • Ted Crawford

        well Robert, it seems that even the Progressive Proliterate has grown weary of the blame Bush mantra! It’s Reagans turn in the barrel I guess. It’s very certain that they will not allow any responsibility to fall to Obama! I agree with them! Obama is, by far, the most irresponsible President in the History of this once great nation!

      • Karolyn

        Ted, did you mean “proletariat?”

      • Ted Crawford

        Karolyn
        I’ve, once again been busted by the Spelling Police!
        Yes, I did. Either that or “usefull idiots” which ever you prefer! Both are equally accurate descriptions !

      • DaveH

        Since Robert insists on bringing up Reagan over and over again, I thought this speech of Reagan’s might be good to post:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T-7BnFo5ao

        Even in his waning years, Reagan had more intelligence than the best of the Liberal Progressives.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Robert’s response is that of a child!

        I was very alarmed at biden’s behavior during the debate. I’d seen his erratic behavior before but had always thought it was more a case of bad judgement. But I have to say, seeing him for an extended period of time, I really think there is something WRONG with him! I think that this is MORE than bad judgement! I think that he is not right mentally! The thought that this man COULD be at the helm of our country, really terrifies me!!! If he can’t control his actions or expressions for an hour or two, how would he run this country and what would be the consequences?!?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Robert Smith, your facts are the ones made up for you by your Dem/Prog/Leftist handlers so you will not believe that there are real Facts.

      • eddie47d

        You may be right Nancy but that has always been Joe’s style. Why do so many Republicans put their feet in their mouths on a regular basis too. Bachmann said some strange things,Aiken of Missouri spoke before thinking,Gingrich is extremely intelligent but his arrogance gets him in trouble too. Maybe it is human nature and we are all built in with faults.

      • moonbeam

        Biden’s behavior is that of a classic drunk. Bush (a so called dry drunk) had the same behavior. Foot in mouth disease every time they part their lips Both of ‘em…drunks. The great LIAR must endure sleepless nights when he knows his precarious VP is about to speak.

    • eddie47d

      Yes good ol’ Joe was rather animated to say the least. The real question is who did the most lyin’. For the most part Biden answered correctly and Ryan fumbled the ball far more often. Romney kept Obama on the defensive and Biden kept Ryan playing defense. Ryan came across as befuddled as Obama. The Secretary of Defense is the one in charge of security and Hillary has admitted the ball was dropped on the Benghazi issue. Biden should have done the same instead of his lame response at the debate. There are over 275 embassies and consulates throughout the world and they are costly to maintain. Considering Ryan pushed for that $300 million dollar cut lets throw a wee bit of blame his way. Not all consulates can be up to standards if there is less money to do so. All the actors involved in this debacle need to come clean instead of looking for scapegoats and excuses.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie47d, because they’re politicians, just assume that they were BOTH lying!!! Now ask yourself WHICH man came across as being more presidential? Who would you want representing our country? The man with self control? Or the man without?

      • http://yahoo gator

        Nancy, i agree, Mitt is far more ‘presidential’, while hussein is the clown, laughed at by the world’s leaders!
        i guess ‘little eddie’ thinks Ryan should take the blame; no surprise.

      • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

        In his right mind Ryan is right to have cut the 300 million $$… it´s rediculous to guard 275 (plus) embassies and consulates with 275 Marine divisions of specialized SEAL units if you guys don´t wanna work for “legal” pay. pay no taxes at all cuzz that ´s the American Dream. So Hillary took the blame and she´s not even heading Ryan´s committe ?? I would do too… you can´t touch me… proof it..!! Ryan didn´t use his left mind….. Donah..//

      • Karolyn

        “mit is more presidential?” What does that mean? Take a look at all of the past presidents and tell me how many were “presidential.” Oh, yeah, Romney has good looks, a good speaking voice and money. Is that what it is

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, isn’t that what O ran on the first time and plans to run on again, no substance but appearance. You and your Leftist bosem buddies have been panting after your enamour O the whole time on this site.

      • eddie47d

        Okay little Gator there are many pieces to the political puzzle and it would be nice if they all took responsibility in putting those pieces back together! If you want a united country all the facts need to be put on the table and the errors corrected.

      • momo

        Biden is the poster child for term limits.

    • Ted Crawford

      I whole heartedly agree with your hopes, however that idea is fighting an uphill battle! With 49+% not paying any Federal Income Tax ( I know “they pay other taxes”, so do those of us who also pay Federal Income Tax! Making that a nonsequitur), over 40% totally, or largely dependent on the Fed. for their income (voting for a living), 47% who feed themselves and their families with SNAP (including illegals)! A candidate that espouses the alien (to them) ideaology of accountablility and personal responsibility, has a difficult road to follow!
      “It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere” Voltaire

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You know what?!? I’m starting to think like a democrat! I want things to be FAIR! If 49% of the people don’t have to pay income taxes, then neither should WE!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

        Oh you did read Voltaire, eh Ted..?? ´From which end ?? Donah..//

      • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

        Wrong Ted… All Voltaire said was:- au voir au voir. avoir y alons enfants… çest moi… le grand père… ´Oltaire….!! Ne me quite pas….. (or something to that extend) Donah..//

    • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

      I enjoyed the show.. had big belly rollovers and tried to douse them with Jack (Daniels, of course)… and uh… yes.. I like Ol´ Joe…. we should have more of him in all departments… that way things get done… Who needs a sourpuss like Ryan… no wonder nobody likes him besides his wife…… I bet she runs the household budget….. Donah..//

      • OneGuess

        You are embarrassing yourself….Donah..//

  • Larry S

    But Hiilary has fallen on the sword: a day before the debate, three months before she retires from her job. Take one for the team? Did Bill wake up with a horses head in his bed? Welcome to Chicago politics?

    • Karolyn

      Well, what she said is true. It is her responsibility as Secretary of State.

      • Paul Wells

        True, but do you ALSO believe what Odumble and Biden are saying about the fact that the two of them had no knowledge of any of this? I believe they did, and of course, there is no actionable proof, so it comes down to what you believe. Still and all though, if Hillary’s plan was to run in 2016, people won’t forget about this, and it WILL get brought up again and often.

      • Robert Smith

        “I believe they did, and of course, there is no actionable proof, so it comes down to what you believe.”

        Believe and you shall see!

        Sheesh.

        I’ll believe AFTER I see.

        Rob

      • Paul Wells

        Robert Smith,

        That was a question for Karolyn, so [comment edited for inappropriate language]! I’m not interested in hearing your leftist opinion.

      • eddie47d

        Paul is back to the name calling again and lowering himself to the low standards that most Conservative commentors have these days. I agree that Obama /Biden deserve a little butt chewing but don’t crow to loudly Paul for the Republicans in charge screw up all the time too on foreign and domestic events. Remember Reagan’s debacle in Lebanon so do you want to go there. Those barracks were totally unprepared for such a devastating attack and they had the man power to stop it. That incident (about 230 dead) didn’t garner near the political attention that this Benghazi attack (4 dead) has. Seems like the Republicans need to move on with this issue instead of currying for votes. I bet if a new Consulate is built in Benghazi it will be more than prepared and lessons learned. That is if they can find the money to do so.

      • Ted Crawford

        Robert, you are in serious danger of being censored by the Progressive Community here, everyone knows that the proper sequence is to pass it to know what’s in it! I doubt that they will tolerate someone with such a hughly diametric method of decision making!

    • Warrior

      I wonder, will billary take the fall for global warming too? This “progressive group” is truly a dispicable bunch. Some display of leadership…..NOT! Get the hook out. These destroyers must go. I’m disgusted even looking at these creatures. Time for Americans to take back America. I for one have seen more than enough of this act.

      • RAB

        You are so right…

      • eddie47d

        Are you saying Republicans don’t do their share of destroying Warrior? There is not an oil project they won’t approve of no matter how much damaged is occurred. There is not a river they won’t pollute in the name of progress.There is not a aquifer they won’t decimate to achieve that last drop of energy out of the earth. There’s not a mountain top they wouldn’t destroy and gleefully say the environmental damages are their right and then the taxpayer has to come in and clean up after them. Its the Republican Party that is champions of beef hormones (beef industry) which have changed the human body. The Republican voting states have allowed Monsanto to take over and push their GMO products on the rest of the American consumers. They have also been in cahoots with Republican voting farmers as they drove out the little guy and turned Monsanto into a monopoly. You are right these destroyers must go for they are truly despicable.

      • elba schmitt

        Warrior, I agree with you. Is time for the American public to see the liight, and vote for a new administration. Obama and his chronies will just give us more of the same, and maybe worse. e schmitt

      • Paul Wells

        Right on target, Warrior. Hook ‘em all to the curb!

      • eddie47d

        The Republicans have their own blind sheeple! Are you in charge of the count Paul?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The REAL question is this: IF obumass didn’t know, WHY didn’t he know?!? Is it a case of Captain Schulz, “I see nothing, I know nothing!”? It’s alarming to have a president who doesn’t WANT to know what is going on OR who can’t be trusted to know what is going on!!! And then for him to hit the campaign trail as if nothing has happened!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Oh, I forgot, it’s sergeant Schulz!

      • http://yahoo.com bobdavidson

        I agree , where did they find this idiot? The Kenyan and the hyena ,what a pair of clowns.

      • JON

        [personal attack comment removed]

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Jon,

          You just got yourself placed in moderation.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://Yahoo.com RR Hermitt

        Hey Nancy in Nebraska: But just Ask Obama WHAT is going on in David Lettermans’ or The VIEW SHOW & he does KNOW.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        JON, you are the one who appears to be in heat over O.
        Keep on posting about your enamour with O.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Wow, Jon. You are SICK!!! Your personal attack on me doesn’t change the facts! You should seek help! You definitely have “anger management” issues! But then, you knew that, didn’t you? People who know you, have told you the same thing, haven’t they? REALLY, GET HELP!!! You NEED it!!!

      • JON

        OH! So I guess you feel it’s perfectly fine and appropriate to personally attack the president and call him names and makeup lies about him over and over and over, as well as slam others who you happen to disagree with.
        You are one of the rudest people on these forums. I thought I would give you some of your own medicine. Evidently, you can dish it out in huge helpings but can’t take it!
        You’re a self-centered joke.

      • Jibbs

        JON says:
        October 16, 2012 at 2:05 pm
        OH! So I guess you feel it’s perfectly fine and appropriate to personally attack the president and call him names and makeup lies about him over and over and over, as well as slam others who you happen to disagree with.
        You are one of the rudest people on these forums. I thought I would give you some of your own medicine. Evidently, you can dish it out in huge helpings but can’t take it!
        You’re a self-centered joke.
        —————————————————————————————————————–

        How can it be called a personal attack on the president, accourding to the Constitution, obummer is not legal to be president. His father named on his BC is a British citizen.
        You have too many marbles and not enough grey matter in the globe on top of your head.
        Your running a close third behind 47d and karolyn.
        But then again, it was you placed in moderation

    • daniel

      Larry I have been waiting for Hillary to do just as she did. That is scary when I am right. Next will be she will excuse herself from service to the administration. She knows she needs to distance herself honorably from Obama and this would be the most statesmanlike way to do so. In four years when she runs it will be history and she will look good to go.

      • Gea

        Hillary is in a personal pickle too, since her grandchild will be a half-Jew (unless her Chelsie had converted to Judaism when marrying her Jewish husband). Since islam considers Jews subhuman (Sons of pigs and apes, http://www.potomacbooksinc.com/Books/BookDetail.aspx?productID=271884). Having her boss Barak Hussein Obama living to his middle name and giving US taxpayers money to his Muslim Brotherhood for war on women and Israel, makes it very difficult for Hillary.

        She should run as fast as she can to disassociate herself from the traitor of the American values (her boss) and ideology of Islam which condemns her future grandchildren to a submissive role to supremacy of Islam, which is out to conquer the world (if it could). She was right about him that he was not competent to lead US! She however did not understand that he is a great story teller and promoter of supremacist ideology of Islam which is incompatible with US Constitution and the Universal declaration of Human Rights. Islamic teachings of superiority of Muslims over all other people is the ROOT cause of terrorism around the world, and unless Islam reforms it has no place in any society that respects liberty, justice and human rights.

        BTW, her chief of staff Human Abedin, who has links of Muslim Brotherhood, is also in a pickle since she married a Jew (albeit a strange duck, Anthony Wiener) and her baby son, Jordan Zain Wiener, is also half-Jew, therefore a son of a son of pigs and apes, a former US Congressman Wiener. who had to resign because of his wiener pictures ;-)!..

    • Steve E

      Find out who initiated the response in the Libya situation to say that it was a stupid movie that caused the violence, and that will lead you to the facts of who knew what.

  • Bernard England

    Just arude assinine bully who thought he could overshadow Ryan, but the people know the truth, at least those that are smart enough to walk and chew gum at the same time do.

    • Robert Smith

      Walk and chew gum… Multitasking.

      I was walking, chewing gum, reading a newspaper, answering my cell phone, and getting hit by a car all at the same time once.

      That’s multitasking.

      Rob

      • Nobody’s Fool

        Rob, I believe you when you say you were hit by a car while multitasking. I’m so sorry for the serious brain damage you are suffering from that hit. I had thought you just had early on-set Alzheimer’s, but now I understand. No one could be as stupid as you unless they had 1) been hit by a car or 2) had Alzheimer’s. This just leaves me wondering if Karolyn, Eddie47, Doc Sarvis, and the other left wing commies that skulk on this website, were walking with you (and of couse, drinking the kool-aid) when that car hit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

        voddiddyado on za highway or zuh car on za sidewalk ?? Eitherway.. people and traffic are hilariously dangerous these days… Donah..//

  • Corkey

    Another non event discussion last night between two Flat Earth proponents. They both did a great job avoiding anything of consequence with their bipartisan stooge moderator heaving change-up softballs at both of them. What debate?

    • Paul Wells

      Corkey,

      What debate were YOU watching? The one I was watching showed Joe Biden appearing unhinged, and off his meds, interrupting Ryan 90 some odd times before Ryan could complete his sentences, and a “bipartisan” moderator who interrupted Ryan nearly as much! I know the dimwits er..uh…democRATS won’t see it that way, as they are all frothy at the mouth for that kind of debate, but the debate I saw had Ryan winning by default due to rude, insolent, childish behavior coming from a man who should obviously know better.

      • JuanC

        Good point and answer Paul. Dems just won’t accept that what they have for a prez and vice-prez aren’t worth a damn.

      • RAB

        Paul, you are so right………when you play dumb, you are dumb. :)

    • Ted Crawford

      I have no idea what you were watching ! It clearly wasn’t the debate! The topics of Entitlements, (SS & Medicare), the subject of Taxes, the subject of the catastrophic Intelligence failure in Lybia, ETC. were on the table. Therefore, either you were watching some other broadcast or you are the single most uninformed person on this Planet!

      • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

        Hold it Teddioh… I followed it all while nodding meself back to sleep…. Donah..//

  • Tom Cook

    One of my good friends–my pipemaster–believes that Bitten is crazy; I just think he is so morbidly stupid that he is completely incoherent.

    • RAB

      amen…Tom, is stupid taking up for stupid… :0

    • Karolyn

      Smart enough to have gotten to be VP. That doesn’t count. I think you’re mistaking a kind of simpleness with being stupid.

      • daniel

        Karolyn one must wonder why Biden? You see Obama was historic and any politician would want to be part of that kind of team. It makes a career and reputation a lot easier. So I would ask if Biden was first choice or last choice. I am sure others ahead said no.

    • Patriot

      Tom, could not agree more! Biden is the perfect reasoning for term limits, if this is all the guy has leanered after 40 years in the Public Sector, then Joe “my friend” you need to go! I am also sick & tired of these guys acting Civil with one another, I was so waiting for Ryan to say “Joe we are not friends, never have been, never will be” for a whole host of reasons! We need to change course with Mitt & Ryan this is what we have now and then change over most of the dead weight Republicans, lets’ start with that spinless Speaker of the House!

    • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

      Vodzzad Tom… I got so tangled up in your word play I lost track or got confused…. Donah..//

      • Jibbs

        Robin Donald DeVallon says:
        October 16, 2012 at 10:44 am
        Vodzzad Tom… I got so tangled up in your word play I lost track or got confused…. Donah..//

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        Looks like that didn’t take much. Those that are easy to confuse, should not be voting

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    Look, both candidates, excuse the phrase, sucked the big one and you’ll know it. Biden acted like the joker, Ryan looked like a mixture of Eddie Munster and a hung over frat boy after a night of debauchery. We have to face the facts. They both, in general, were bigtime phony turkeys. Not to sound like an ad promotion, yet, the best bet is to vote third party. That’s Libertarian candidate-Gary Johnson. Have a good day!!

    • Paul Wells

      Again…I don’t know what debate you were watching, Tony…but I didn’t see Ryan acting like a “a mixture of Eddie Munster and a hung over frat boy after a night of debauchery”, I just have to hear what makes you say that (aside from unabashed left wing demagoguery) . I thought Paul Ryan was respectful, in control, thoughtful, and made his points without name calling, laughing, acting like an ignorant ass. So do tell, what is “acting like Eddie Munster” or “a hung over frat boy after a night of debauchery”? Geez, the low that the left will stoop to!

      • http://liberty Tony

        To paul and Nancy: Look Paul Ryan told about four different lies in the debate. The first one about the G.M. plant in his district. Then, the fact he lobbied for stimulus money for “green pork” jobs, then about saying he’s not going to cut taxes for the rich, and then denying that he cut funding for security for our embassies abroad. Now, we’re going to have to be honest here. The reason why Joe Biden could put on his “Joker” act is because of all these fibs Ryan told. The best bet is, as i will keep re-emphazising, third party. Libertarian-Gary Johnson. BTW, both candidates would be scary as President and you’ll know it!! Thanks!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Do NOT take this as an endorsement, but I thought that Ryan’s behavior and demeanor were very professional! (He said a lot of words but didn’t impart much REAL information) He was patient and expressed an enormous amount of self control. Biden on the other hand, was rude, impatient, and lacked ALL self control! His facial expressions betrayed ALL of his words! They convinced me more than ever, that there is something wrong with him!!! VERY SCARY!!!

  • Ted Crawford

    It seems eminently plausable that Obama and Biden were uninformed! It seems that, given ( in his mind) he is always the most intelligent individule in any room, he can make far better decisions, absent the minutiae of the lessor individules in his Intelligence Organizations! He, therefore need not waste his time attending his Intelligence briefings, except occasionally, to soothe their hurt feelings!
    The Security of this Nation is far better served by his association with Beyonce, The Pimp With a Limp and his appearences on ‘ The View’ and ‘ The Letterman Show’! His extremely limited time is very valuable and must be spent in important endevers!
    The value of these encounters are well beyond our very limited comprehension ! Therefore any critcism is unreasonable and certainly racist in nature!

    • Warrior

      Tens of millions of Americans, in the “private sector”, get up each day and go to work to support this? Maybe “we” need to have our heads examined! Just ask yourself this question. Do you believe your investments (theft) is paying dividends? Absolute buffoonery! Here in “utopian” crook county, our feckless leaders are coming up with grand ideas like taxing bullets, guns, a tax on poker machines? Really? We have a US Congresscreature that’s bi-polar and under investigation for misuse of campaign funds. His wife is a chicago aldercreature. Suprise, suprise, suprise. And he won’t back out of the election and he will win again because he runs opposed. This is your 2012 democrapic “progressive” party. The party of degenerates, thiefs and misfits.

      • Warrior

        Sorry, “un-apposed”.!!!!!

      • Karolyn

        Try again, Warrier. :-)

      • Jibbs

        Get out of that sewer of a state! Lived in Wheaton. We left two years ago, and life is great

    • Patriot

      We are to believe that the Adminstration was on top of every detail as to the Bin Laden raid, but had no idea what was going on in Syria! I am sick of these fools blaming everyone else but themselves! I could not care less whose fault this is, to me, Obama or Clinton they are the same, both complete fools! Read how the both of these people treat our military and how they despise and disrespect our troops! Not to mention all the security leaks that come out of this White House putting our troops and people at risk, all these folks need to go before it is too late! Obama is more comfortable raising money then running our country! ASK YOURSELVES HOW DOES A GUYS NET WORTH INCREASE FROM $1.3 MILLION TO OVER $11 MILLION WHILE HE IS PRESIDENT? You steal it that’s how! This guy, his czars and all these despicable people need to go and now!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The REAL question is: if he didn’t know, WHY didn’t he know?!? THAT is where the focus belongs!!!

  • Dussty1

    With pride it was reported that Obama usually skipped his daily face-to-face intel briefings, preferring to read and digest this information privately. It’s certainly no surprise that his isolation from the intelligence analysts left Ambassador Stevens and the three other Americans vulnerable. Hell, we’re all vulnerable here at home, as well. We have a president who refuses to acknowledge terrorism when confronted with it and is more comfortable calling it something else. The enemies of the US sense weakness in the White House and will act accordingly. What is most disturbing is the lack of concern in the mainstream media to draw attention to all this. They are complicit in placing the country in danger from the enemy within.

    • 45caliber

      Hey! Oblama is only doing what he has done since day 1. He is alibiing his friends! What do you expect?

      • RAB

        Right on 45caliber…. HIS goal to destroy USA!!! while he & stupid Biden get $$$$$$$…..In God We Trust; GOD BLESS AMERICA…

    • eddie47d

      Apparently Dussty1 want to play the Four Horseman of Apocalypse and is encouraging America to troll for more wars. How exactly would you fight terrorism if we don’t belong in some of these countries in the first place. We helped to create terrorists all over the Middle East and then we whine and cry that the government isn’t protecting us from those terrorists that we helped establish. Americans complain about not having enough protection against said terrorists. Then those same people vigorously complain about TSA,camera security and armed SWAT teams running all over this country. Security is everywhere but do you feel safer or do you just like to complain? How much doublespeak is enough for you?

    • Patriot

      After these folks are ousted in November, can we go after the admnistration and the media for aiding the enemey? I for one, would like to see them all in prision!

      • eddie47d

        If Romney is elected he will be the next administration and we should go after him. Yes and charge the FOX network with tyranny!

      • Steve E

        Patriot, I hope they do go after them. I would rather see them have justice in this world, so I can see it and enjoy it, than to wait for them get justice in the next world.

      • Jibbs

        Prison costs money, a tall gallows and a short rope for all of them, six at a time.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      obumass skips his daily briefings because he wouldn’t know what to do with the info. he is in over his head! valerie jarret makes the decisions. He is nothing more than a figurehead!

  • Marvis Bosarge

    Obama has really got away with more crinal acts He needs be Impeached Letting our Ambassador get killed and all of the other three murdered , and Fast and Furious ,that he got by with, Russian when he told Latimeier Puttin that he can be more flexible to deal soon he gets reelected He has got by with Stealing money 716 Billion Dollars and out of Medicare throw into Obama Care in Obama Care overnight That Bill will Kill of half people in this Country What in The world can we do to stop this person from running This. Country

    • JuanC

      Go out on Nov. 06 and vote against him. Let your family and friends know all of this so that they can also vote against Obama.

    • eddie47d

      You’re so full of it Marvis and I can’t personally solve your anger and comprehension problem. With your analogy then Ronald Reagan’s body should be exhumed and put on trial. Now if 4 dead in Benghazi and 2 in Mexico gets you all ruffled up then then those 230 Marines in Lebanon should have really got your blood a boiling. If those 6 dead are being used for your political purposes then how about those 825,000 that died in Central America because of Reagan’s policies? Heck Bush/Cheney are still alive lets have a war crimes trial for those two. Would that please you since their policies killed even more than Reagan. Now we can slice and dice this anyway you want so feel free to write back Marvis!

    • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

      how glad I am not to be on the Medicare or Obamacare receiving end since I live overseas… that´s right and w/o private health insurance available (too old) The spanish government took the tab… and I´m still healthy… at 90 plus…. Donah..// Neffahminduh… I helped build the meanest Navy on Earth… CVNs and SNNs… just look around… no Ruski or Chino would dare touch me babies…. Awright… so the enemy did not leave a tell tale lead… voddooyoo expect ??? a mothers´help in your playpen..??

  • http://www.facebook.com/brtexan Victor Landry

    Who to believe? Biden or my lieing eyes.

  • Dad

    So much for integrity…

  • http://www.facebook.com/baydolphs Bill T Smith

    they just think the people listen and believe the lies are stupid and cant see past their own nose, also if ya look they know they are liars due to the fact none of them have yet to give proof that they didnt know, and the excuse was a movie and then the o taken and spending money to appoligize for a false movie think the movie was just a way to cover up.

  • 45caliber

    The real reason that Oblama told Letterman what he did was not due to him not knowing what had happened. It was due to his desire to make the attack appear to be America’s fault (the movie) than the acts of terrorists. He has ALWAYS tried to make all these attacks appear to be America’s fault.

    • eddie47d

      Its really fairly simple Caliber and others. We overthrew Gaddafi and intruded into someone elses land. That makes it an American problem and we have to pay for the consequences. We also had/have the false flag Iraq War which was hatched by Americans which puts the damages done mostly on our shoulders. There are still so many that can’t grasp that if you poke someone you get poked back. al Qaeda didn’t think we’d respond after 9/11 with the force we did in Afghanistan. The point is that al Qaeda needs to take responsibility for their actions and we Americans need to take responsibility for our empire building. If you can’t take the blame for what you cause then don’t do it!

      • alpha-lemming

        I’m not buyin’ it…….
        If Momar is your example….. after Pan Am 103 Lockerbie and he got his nose bloodied from Reagan….???? You didn’t hear a peep from this guy until Bush 43 got serious with Iraq and even then it was to say “Here’s all the bad toys we’re not supposed to have… take ‘em”!!! Now all of a sudden Momar grew a pair??? You don’t suspect Libyas’ new found bravado is the result of an appologist milquetoast @ 1600 PA Ave.?????

      • 45caliber

        alpha:

        Good answer. General Black Jack Pershing (probably misspelled his name) once had a serious problem with Muslims in the Philippines about 90 years ago. He ended it by lining up fifty prisoners. He let them watch as he had a number of hogs killed in front of them and then had his men dip their bullets in the pig blood. 49 were then shot. They were dumped into a pit and the dead hogs were cut open and chopped up before being dumped on top of the bodies. The 50th man was released. There was no more problem with the Muslims anywhere in the world for over 50 years. Now? We can’t do that! It is wrong!

      • eddie47d

        That story is totally bogus Caliber. Dr Frank Vandiver a Professor of history at Texas A.M. investigated that very story a few years back said it it nothing but urban legend and Jack would never have done it. I’ve heard some whoppers from you and I’m glad i looked it up.

  • Smitty

    Sadly, some may be stupid, but others are not – just duped. Still drinking the Kool-aid. Difficult to get the truth to them because they are hypnotized, or brain-washed. Won’t listen to any reasoning, and the media is playing up to them.

    • eddie47d

      Are you speaking of Conservatives or Liberals?

      • http://yahoo.com bobdavidson

        I think he is talking about you.

      • Paul Wells

        I’m also pretty sure he meant you, eddie…know when you are whipped (like the family pig!) :)

      • eddie47d

        He wasn’t very clear but sounds more like a Republican tongue lashing. LOL!

      • OneGuess

        It is for you, eddie47d, all for you.

  • Marc

    As long as we are the policmen of the world incidents like the Benghaze attacks are going to happen. We keep sticking our noses in everybodies business, and one has to expect a bloody nose from our actions. There are those of us who want war and those who don’t. I blame our Federal Government and military for making our country a war machine. I also blame the American people, including myself, for allowing war to continue on. We, the American people, have to ask ourselves are we a peaceful nation, or a warlike nation. In my life, age 64, there has been the Korean War, Cold War, Drug War, we are still at war with, Vietnam War, Iraq War one and two, Afghan War against terrorisim, which we are still engaged in. We stuck our noses in Lybia, now with our feet in Syria, Iran is our biggest threat and it’s just a matter of time Israel is going to drag us into that war. I don’t know about you but I have had about enough of war. But I keep reminding myself that we are the policemen of the world and war is endless for this country and its people. How long is it going to take you to decide when enough is enough. NO MORE WARS! Terrosim can never be defeated we can only try to control it from spreading. A concerned Vet in the Vietnam War Era.

    • Karolyn

      Thank you!

    • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

      hear hear….. Donah..//

    • Alex

      Don’t forget Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic (twice, at least), Panama, El Salvador, Somalia, Grenada, Laos, Cambodia, Bosnia.

    • Jibbs

      Very well said Marc, I’ve just about had all I can stand from washington myself.

  • Enrique

    BHO & Biden should have watched Fox News. I knew the first day when they where reporting on the weapons used that it was a terrorist attack. I guess killing old Bin didn’t disrupt the radical Islamofascists all that much.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

      Sure.. it did not… Bin was no Islamofascist…. he was just fed up…. with Zionist… and his own King and Princes taking the loot…. who you think pays for the oyl and sucks us ??? Donah..//

  • Gea

    Obama is a traitor of American values. One does not expect US President to extoll a religion (Islam), which is incompatible with the US Constitution and rather then telling Muslims to REFORM their hateful supremacist ideology, Barak Hussein Obama is living up to his middle name and helping them subvert US Constitution so that the truth about Islam and Mohamed (a pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer) would not be revealed to Americans.

    Obama is directly and indirectly responsible for the gruesome rape and murder of the US ambassador in Libya by Muslim mobs who shouted Allahu Akbar, just like the terrorists of 9/11. Both Obama and Biden have no business being in any position of power in American since they are traitors of American values. By not allowing US Marines to carry live munition in Arab countries, Obama had made US diplomats sitting ducks for Muslim mobs who are taught by their “holly” men that their miserable situation all the fault of Jews and America, rather then recognizing that Islam and sharia cause tyranny and corruption by banning reality to be dealt with..

    Biden in particular, was a Senator from Delaware where he had a cozy relationship with insurance and pharma corporations, and thus Obamacare is another swindle on Americans to increase the incomes of the top dogs of those companies and not to help improve health of Americans.

    They should resign immediately and be gone. Obama can go to his Muslim Brothers in Egypt to whom he gave 1,500 millions for war on women and Israel or to his Saudi king to whom he bowed even though the subjects of this king had committed crimes of 9/11!

    • Karolyn

      Don’t you ever get tired of spreading rumors and conjecture? It’s as if you really KNOW all this to be true. Hey, maybe some of it is. However, NOBODY knows other than the subjects of the talk. Maybe you can tell me what is it that people get from spreading rumors that they take as gospel from other parties, who get it from other parties, who get it from other parties ad infinitum. Honestly, I don’t get it. What do you get out of it? It appears that those at the top of the information food chain have an easy time of it influencing those at the bottom. And before you go off on me, I am not a blind follower (though some might “believe” otherwise). If I were a blind follower, I would not be a contributor here for over 2 years. Believe me. My eyes have bee opened about a lot; however, I blindly follow no side.

      • Patriot

        See Obama for rumors, lies and innuendo! When things seem complicated, they are actually very simple. The Obama/Biden plan: When things go wrong for your ideology – Plan: is to lie, distort, deny and blame! That’s it!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, but that is exactly what you and your Leftist Buddies have been doing, spreading rumors and conjectures about what a man O is.

      • Bob Robbins

        UR EYES SURELY WEREN’T VERY OPEN WHEN THE MUSLIM BOWED TO THE MUSLIM KING, SHAME ON U IGNORANT PEOPLE FOR HOLDING UP FOR THIS PIECE.

      • Karolyn

        Bob – So it’s OK if he bows to a European king or Queen but not to a mideastern monarch? It’s called proper protocol.

    • eddie47d

      I see GEA is still spreading his insanity without any intelligent reasoning. If we are to believe you and your attacks against Obama and in the viciousness you employ. Then Reagan and Bush/Cheney should be banned from our history books. Since they caused far more deaths and damages in building the American empire. I get a kick out of GEA mocking Obama for going to Saudi Arabia although Bush went there and held hands and kissed the King. Now that is immaterial to me who bowed and who kissed but your callous and ignorant hypocrisies are there for all to see.

      • http://yahoo.com bobdavidson

        L..B.J. sent over 58,000 troops to die in Viet Nam for his stupid war.

        • Gea

          War in Vietnam was against spread of Communism which at that time in history WAS on the move to take over the world, believing in supremacy of Marxist ideology. Eventually, Communism could not feed its people (no society that blocks freedom of speech and thought can be functional) and people saw what an evil empire Soviet Union was, where Stalin murdered and starved over 70 millions of Russian and other people during his long reign of terror. The Siberian camps for those who were randomly selected as “enemy of state” were almost as bad as Nazi concentration camps except that they did not have gas chambers.

          Islam is another supremacist ideology, similar to Nazi ideology, including its delusional Jew hatred where Jews are considered as “The Sons of Pigs and Apes”: Muslim Antisemitism and Political Correctness of Liberals (http://www.potomacbooksinc.com/Books/BookDetail.aspx?productID=271884). The danger of Islam, which is incompatible with US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human rights is real, and having a US President financing and supporting Muslim Brotherhood is a treason of American values of liberty and justice of all. Islam is a supremacist ideology similar to supremacist Nazi ideology and must reform or has no place in any society that respects liberty and human rights…..

          Read Koran and Hadith and study the bloody history of Islam and Mohamed (who was a pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murdere according to Arabic sources) to see for yourself. Jerry Sundusky should have gone to Saudi Arabia or to some other sharia-run country where pedophilia is legal and he could have up to 4 wiuves and unlimited supply of prepubescent boys legally. Adult homosexuality between consenting males is punishable with death while molesting of little boys is OK.

      • Karolyn

        Right, GEA, and we sure did end communism in Viet Nam, right?

        • Gea

          Actually Communism fell under its own lies and incompetence and Marxist ideology could not feed people. China had changed as a result ot Nixom trip opening it and the realization of its leadership that they need to open their economy. Thus they are communist only in name.

          Islam on the other hand is on the move, since their procreation is largest in the world and Muslim now comprise 1,6 BILLIONS (or 23% of people). While Muslim majority countries that are run by sharia, which is a medieval evli rules based on Koran and Hadith and are not suitable for human consumption are corrupt and failed economies, they send their poor masses to Australia, Europe and North American where they bring their “culture” with them and demand sharia, which is incompatible with US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

          US shoud stop this onsluaght o this supremacist ideology, similar to Nazi ideology and prevent genocidal, supremacist misogenyst Muslim leaders from coming to US and UN.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

      Now that´s a mouth full, Gea.. !! I couldn´t do better…. I wasn´t born yet…. Donah..//

  • Melissa Mott

    Maybe if Obama attended his daily security briefings he would know what is going on!

    • http://www.facebook.com/robin.donalddevallon Robin Donald DeVallon

      He certainly would NOT…. NOBODY told us….. Donah..//

  • johnC

    I remember in Civics class back when it was a requirement in High school to be educated about our government….Lie and Deny was a tactic used by the communist leaders and most tin horn dictators

    • eddie47d

      Apparently those tactics are used by Republicans too since Bush/Cheney lied and denied all the time. Should we then call them Fascists tactics.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Bush/Cheney are no longer President/VP or haven’t you heard?
        If O was doing the job he was hired for, you would not be constantly trying to divert attention from him. So you are admitting that your O is worthless as President.

      • Bob Robbins

        Let me ask u again, how do u receive ur welfare payments. Please don’t tell me u are not on welfare.

      • eddie47d

        No Mr Robbins, Nadzieja is not on welfare unless she is keeping it a well hidden secret. Still trying to hide from the Bush era Nadzieja? Sure seems like your one of the deniers. If Obama loses I won’t cry about it as long as it is a fair and square election.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Robbins was commenting to you, eddie47d. Your reading comprehension has slipped since you are in a desperation dither.

      • eddie47d

        I’m not on welfare so it must have been for you!

    • Alex

      You, like so many others, johnC, were simply brainwashed. Do you seriously think your teacher would say anything good about “Communism” or “Socialism” when people were losing jobs for just that reason? Your teacher told you thisand that so you believed it, and never went to investigate on your OWN. The more intelligent amongst us grew up, kiddo—maybe you will some day, too….

  • http://twitter Concerned67

    I see we have many foreign backyard experts on here. First point all I hear from the right is ” It appears” or It seems ” or ” I believe ” or ” I know he/she is lying” seond point I remember 3 to 4 months ago the deaths in a movie threater showing ” Black Knight “. They are still investigating and finding more evidence. The right thinks we should within hours know the names of the people who did it and how many and ages and what group they were with. The CIA and FBI is investigating and I want to know what their reports has to say. No opinions, but facts. Don’t forget the building was totally destroyed and the witnesses won’t talk because they are afraid and the government is not putting forth their best effort to find these people. It was at night and with mortors and machine gun fire and grenade launchers. It takes time to find out what actually happened. Everybody on the right is guessing. Of course anyone over 100 miles from home are experts.

  • http://twitter Concerned67

    When the right has no substance or facts then they start with the same old garbage. Biden was laughing or he didn’t have his hair comb or he didn’t look at Ryan. Look folks this wasn’t a beauty contest. I want facts and figures and the truth. I don’t care what they look like or if their hair was on fire or if they wore a purple suit. I don’t know how many times I have been on twitter and facebook and newsvine and made my point with facts and figures and the right comes back with you mispelled a word.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Since you have no Facts about what your ideological opponents believe, you are the one making up facts and conjectures about Ryan and the people who may agree with his ideology. Very fancy dance footwork of not admitting that you are a liar alongside VP Biden.

      • eddie47d

        The Ryan family has received government subsidies for over 100 years Nadzieja in their railroad and construction business. They became somewhat wealthy over this government largeness. He now attacks infrastructure projects when his family benefited greatly from them. That is some slick foot work on his part.

    • Bob Robbins

      Let me give ur ignorant [expletive deleted] a figure. We are trillions, that’s with a T, more in debt since [racial comment removed] came to be the POTUS than in all of history.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Concerned67, very few facts were exchanged during the debate! I didn’t notice or CARE how biden’s hair was combed or what his suit looked like! What concerned me was his lack of self control!!!

  • TML

    “Biden didn’t even blink as he proclaimed himself and Obama merely misinformed bystanders: “Because that’s exactly what we were told by the intelligence community.”

    If he didn’t lie, then he and Obama are so insulated from the daily disgraces of their own underlings that they’re little more than figureheads. It is possible that Obama and Biden managed to avoid the facts regarding the Islamofascists’ murders of Stevens and three others; but if they did, they did so willfully.

    The intelligence community passed along word of an organized terrorist action in Benghazi within hours of the attack. Even Democratic mouthpiece Newsweek reported the terrorist angle before the day was out. By the next day, members of Congress knew the score, including House Armed Services Committee member Adam Smith (D-Washington), who said as much: “This was not just a mob that got out of hand. … it was preplanned.””

    Since when does Newsweek and other speculation constitute ‘knowing’? I think it’s clear than in such a situation that some kind of investigation must ensure to acertain the facts of the incident, along with motives, in order to correctly identify the crime. This would take longer than the warmongering trolls anxious to spoout “terrorist” even allowed. And even then… what does calling it a “terrorist” attack really mean? It’s a relatively meaningless term as one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter – I’ve come to realize that any violent crime these days is called “terrorism”. It’s a scapegoat for weak minds.

    While Biden’s performance during the debate was indeed bizarre, I hardly think they are misinformed bystanders. They rely on information from other agencies, naturally, so to say they are misinformed bystanders is to say that every President is exactly that.

    And to go off the speculation of Newsweek, is the same as a media conviction of a criminal even before the trial.

    • Rob

      TML,
      Don’t forget that it was this same intelligence community that informed them that Iran does not have a weapon that can carry a nuclear warhead. Did they forget that the Iranians developed and successfully tested the Sejil ballistic missile over three years ago? It has a range of 1200 plus miles. Plus, they just tested the al Fateh a couple of months ago, that has a range of over 200 miles.

      • TML

        Well, I think you mean that it was the same intelligence community that informed them Iran doesn’t have a weapon that can carry a nuclear warhead to the United States. Although such facts are negligible since it is confirmed by IAEA that Iran isn’t developing nuclear weapons.

        But I agree with your implication that one can only be as good as the ‘intelligence’ one has on a given matter.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        The intelligence community is more closely tied with the “elite”. I think they’re throwing obumass under the bus!!! I bet we’ll be hearing more and more negative things about obumass as “they’ve” decided to back romney!

    • Bob Robbins

      If ur POTUS would keep his ass in the oval office as much as he does on TV he might learn some of the facts he is paid to know.

      • TML

        Although ‘our’ president does seem to be a bit preoccupied with the election. I think you’re talking about the White House Situation Room, started under Kennedy, rather than the Oval Office. Still, such room is run by the National Security Council staff and the President’s advisors (including the National Security Advisor, the Deputy for Homeland Security and the White House Chief of Staff). If he isn’t learning the facts he needs to know, when he needs to know them, I’d look to those individuals.

    • gunner689AI

      There is a major difference between not knowing and not wanting to know. BO attends less than half of his daily security briefings. BO and the HAG are both criminally neglegent.

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  • Alex

    At risk to her chance of becoming our first woman president, Hillary Clinton steps up and
    accepts responsibility. Such a refreshing change from the usual GOP murderers and
    thieves (Ollie North, John Ehrichmann, Dick Cheney, etc) who need to see a subpoena before they will “come clean”—and then step right up and lie to Congress! HAA!

    And to the posters who took such offense, yesterday, to some of my comments about female GOP voters, let me just remind you: the GOP is currently running candidates who believe that some women are “easy to rape”, who find some rapes to be “legitimate”, and empanel a group of “experts” on women’s health issue and do not invite ONE woman to participate!

    Over the objections of the Grand Old Party, President Obama passed the Lilly Ledbetter
    Fair Pay Act, insuring that my grandchildren will live in a place where people are rewarded
    equally for EQUAL work—something the GOP fights tooth and nail.

    Women voting GOP, like I wrote yesterday, are like German Jews extolling the Nuremberg Laws—working against self-interest. The GOP is in the dark; it is terrified of science and recoils at truth. The GOP is lost in the past, and the Democrats will soon follow them into History’s wrecking yard. No matter what happens this election, or in 2016 and beyond, young people grow wiser every generation to the Idiocracy we live in—today’s youth are more tolerant, more open-minded, less religious, more aware of the consequences of industry on the Earth, more concerned about people around the world and not just the people at the mall.

    Look at History—every decade and a half, or so, a group of young people defines itself by
    its testing of and challenge to social mores. Then, after things seem to “get out of hand”, the dominant society reels them back—-but it never reels them back IN!! So society shifts a bit and the process is repeated. In post-WW2 America we see this accelerating—the Beats of the Fifties, eschewing American consumerism as fungus, gave way to myriad social progress movements in the Sixties and Seventies—for women, for Blacks, for the poor. Today’s youth, aided by the rapid exchange of ideas—world-wide ideas—courtesy
    of a vastly-more inclusive entertainment and information matrix, are light-years ahead of previous generations in their views on gender, race, and class. In short, your youth is lost
    to you. There will be stops and starts, certainly, but the days of Empire are running out,
    thank God, and the Earth, in time, will once again be marked with lines of human connection, rather than borders drawn on God’s earth by the greedy and power-hungry.

    • http://yahoo.com bobdavidson

      Alex the white coats are taking aim….here comes the net. Bye Bye sicko.

  • http://att.net Janie O

    Wow what comments? YOU ALL SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT- jANIE

  • Netterella

    I find it very interesting that Hilary is now taking full responsibility….trying to take it off Obama’s back. Give me a break…we ALL knew that it was a terrorist attack from the get go! You can’t convince me that Obama and his administration knew nothing. Hilary may be the Sec of State, but she reports directly to Obama. She’s not there to handle everything by herself…she’s there to report to the Kingpin what’s happening. They’re just adding more to the cover-up and trying to shift the responsibility away from Obama until AFTER the elections! I, for one, am not as stupid as this administration thinks Americans are!

  • jstrightothepoint!!!!

    The blame should go to o-DUD-a,There is no reason for this to have happen,The president should have been at his post,instead of being on the ”View”,and taking so dam many vacations,and missing about thirty % of his high-level meetings that he should have attented !!!This in itself proves he is not a good leader.Even if Mrs.H does take the hit,the blame should still be laid on o-DUD-a, after all,isn’t he the person in charge??????Any body with”good common sense should be able to see what they are trying to do,which is to protect the President!!what a bunch of dummies they are,to think that most Americans are going to belive that Mrs,H.is alone is to blame!!!!!Get real!!!!

  • jstrightothepoint!!!!

    I Agree STrightothepoint-and you’ve made some very interesting points!!!o-DUD-o,as you call him,is no President,and Biden is a clown !!!!

  • YOUNGATHEART

    My comment should have been send under”YOUNGATHEART”,Not”jSTRIGHTOTHEPOINT”Sorry about that!!!!!

  • NowAndThen

    Vote Romney/Rayn 2012. Time for a ”CHANGE!”

  • chuckb

    it will be interesting to see if the admittance of failure by hillary will cover barry for the debate. if he shows up tonight and isn’t a total loss the bolsheviks and the press will claim victory and tomorrow the media polls will have him back on top.
    hillary must be doubled over in laughter, she pulled off another one.and got away with it, even if her failure is seen as complete incompetence, she will not be replaced nor anyone else who are lying about benghaz., i

  • Wily

    These goony freaks are so predictable! Here in the mid-west our local Fox Station has an app that people can go to in order to get the Obummer interp on what he says, ‘on what he meant to say’, unbelievable but what can a person expect from a total SS media!
    Also, in Kc a young buck hit a much older public bus driver and this same station had a clip where the buck was just having a bad day! Yes all loving America citizens need to do what they can in protecting themselves and loved ones, this is Satans last hur-rah, it may get ugly but i do see the Lord playing some hold cards, we’ll see! One thing i do know, the elites want civil unrest in reducing the populace, then ML, you bet!

  • ONTIME

    Last night, Hellary, our female equivalent of the garden gnome and fashion misstatement extrodinaire, has again decided to be the victimized trampled woman she has always been and take the hit for this regime’s utter incompetence. She, Hellary, a cogenital liar if ever there were, is going to take the hit for the fraud in the WH, the deaths of four good americans are now on her head, we know she is a part of this overall but the “buck” stops in the Oval Office, she couldn’t hang onto a buck, even her own Billy Buck gives her fits.

    People tend to call that atrocity in the WH a POTUS, I and millions of others refuse to give him the honor simply because he is a unqualified con artist practicing fraud successfully and daring anyone to present the massive amount of proof accumulated..Hellary and Bubba, have a library on the Fraud in the WH and I imgagine that this skid mark in her shorts is going to cost us the taxpayers a great deal of money, it is just a matter of how and when. These snake oil salesmen we managed to employ are only there to enhance their own personal gain in whatever way is opportune and we Americans just never seem to learn that blindfolds are not all they are cracked up to be…

    • 45caliber

      ONTIME:

      When Bill and Shrillery were in the White House you could pick up $3 dollar bills with Bill’s picture on it and $6′s with her picture on it in AR. The reason was that she was worth twice what he was but neither were worth anything.

  • chuckb

    what better fall guy than hjillary? this gal slipped thru the hands of special prosecutors, got away with wiping out vince foster, trampled the law on many occasions and stayed out of jail, you think benghazi is her waterloo. i think not, i think she will walk away just like she has every other crime her and bill committed, this is the new bolshevik party, these are meaningless happenings, if people get killed, so what, let’s move on. the sad part of this, there’s lot’s of people who don’t care what they do.

  • JON

    I could care less if my comments are now moderated.
    Question: Mr. Livingston why don’t you react as strongly when someone uses words such as, faggot, queer, nigger?
    You seems to ignore those words as offensive. Why is that?

    Respectfully,
    JON

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear JON,

      You write: “Question: Mr. Livingston why don’t you react as strongly when someone uses words such as, faggot, queer, nigger?” Those words are moderated.

      You write: “You seems to ignore those words as offensive. Why is that?” It’s all about context.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • OL504Troop

    Richard Nixon was impeached for trying to cover up a break-in at DNC headquarters and then lying to Congress and the American people. Bill Clinton was impeached for getting a BJ in the Whitehouse, trying to cover it up, and lying to Congress and the American public. Our embassies and consulate overseas were attacked by terrorists and four Americans killed due to negligence on the part of this administration. It has been proven that there is an attempt to cover up the circumstances for this negligence, and Obama has lied to Congress and the American people. No one died under Nixon or Clinton, yet impeachment proceedings were brought against them. Obama lied and four Americans died. Why haven’t impeachment proceedings been started against HIM???

    • Karolyn

      Unless a lie can be proven, there is no basis!

      • gunner689AI

        you’re right; it was the janitors fault. He kept throwing out the increased security requests from our ambassador in Libya. Being illiterate he thought they were reciepts from Pizza Hut.

    • 45caliber

      OL:

      There are at least 50 suspicious deaths that occurred during the Clinton administration. Paul Foster was only one of them. There was also the highest rate of deaths (accidental?) among the Secret Service personnel during the first year of his office (27 people). Just to let you know.

      Karolyn:
      I suppose you always assumed that your children were telling the truth? Really? A lie is a lie. Many of those told are so obvious it is stupid to assume they aren’t lies or that he believes you are stupid enough to believe them. For instance, he stated that the attack on the embassies was due to the movie 7 days after it occurred when everyone else was already aware that it was terrorists who had organized them. If he wasn’t lying and really did believe that, then he is too stupid to be President. Actually, I think he was simply trying to redirect attention away from his friends.

      • gunner689AI

        gee, don’t we all know at least 50 people who have died under mysterious circumstances ?

      • Netterella

        Uhhhh….Not only was Obama lying 7 days later, but he was still lying 2 weeks later saying that the attacks were from a video. He said that 6 times when he spoke at the UN. And did you hear his out and out lies again in the debate last night?! He refuses to take responsibility for anything. Totally narcissistic. I believe he doesn’t understand what the word TRUTH means!

    • TML

      Nixon wasn’t impeached; he resigned knowing he would be, after investigations revealed the Watergate burglars were employed by the Committee to Re-elect President Nixon.

      Clinton wasn’t impeached for getting a BJ, he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice… all of which people seemed to care more about than the fact he was waging war (bombing Iraq) without congressional approval.

      It has not been proven at all that there has been any attempt to cover up anything about the attack on the consulate… it’s only a matter of determining if it was a riot gone deadly, or a planned revolt. People like you might call it, “terrorism”. … nonetheless, since when is a coverup NOT part of government practice, right or wrong?

      • gunner689AI

        no one died because of Nixon’s coverup.

  • chuckb

    ol504troop, there was no impeachment proceedings brought against nixon, nixon did not lie under oath he resigned on his own. bill clinton lied under oath, thus his impeachment.
    you would have to impeach every one in this administration that have lied on every occasion, from barry on down. and yes there were deaths of innocent people here..

  • marcjeric32

    I watched the debate between that bloviating gasbag Biden and the Congressman Ryan. The continuous smirks, guffaws, eyebrow raisings, phony laughs showing his bright dental implants (typical behavior of a union goon), 82 interruptions, and a total lack of respect shown by that low-IQ functional moron Biden toward Ryan, as well as the repetitious socialist sloganeering issued by the former have totally tired out this former refugees from a communist hell who had had enough listening to the same cretinous pabulum that had poisoned my youth for too many years. Biden’s one message throughout that debate was “tax the rich!” accompanied by the statement regarding the terrorist attack in Benghazi that the Obama Administration followed the assessment of our “intelligence community” in stating repeatedly that the attack was the result of some obscure film trailer critical of the Prophet Mohammed. Repeated requests by the intelligence agents, as confirmed in sworn testimonies, to Congress, for increased protection were purposefully ignored so that Obama’s Libyan Muslim friends would not be offended. Biden also lied when he stated that the budget limitations imposed by the Republicans prevented Hillary Clinton to send security enforcements to Libya. What a miserable, lying, and disrespectful performance especially towards us the audience! We shall retire you, comrade Biden, in a few short weeks – do not worry!

  • marcjeric32

    Hillary – under the bus, please! Meet there Rev. Wright!

  • gunner689AI

    An historic first just occured; a Clinton took responsibility for something. WOW !!!
    Hillary the Hag takes responsibility but there are no reproccusions for her negligence. I remember Janet Reno taking responsibility for Waco but that bull dyke is still running around loose.

  • chuckb

    gunner689al, don’t get too excited, remember janet reno wiped out over one hundred men, women and children at waco, texas and took the blame, she walked.
    this is mere childs play for the hildabeast.

  • Gea

    President Barak Hussein Obama had been living up to his middle name and had been working hard on subverting US Constitution in order to hide that the
    religion he had been promotging is icompatible with US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Barak Hussein Obama is incompetent in all other issues but when it comes to subverting the Free sceeh guaranted by the US Constitution he is a traitor of American values and should resign. He is a danger not only to US but the the entire Western civilization that had been under attack by Islam, a supremcist ideology similar to supremacist Nazi ideology, including desluational Jew hatred, which led to Holocaust in WWII. IF Muslims could they would commit another Holocaust in Israel, as Iranian top dog Ahmedinijad keeps telling the world.

    [racist comments removed]

    Barak Hussein Obama gave money to genocidal sypremacist misogynyst Muslim Brotherhood which had started a war on women in Egypt and threatening annihilation of Israel just as their other Muslmi brothers do. Birds of a feather stick together. Thus Obam a does not belong to any position of power and should go to his Muslim Brotehrs in Egypt or his Saudi king, to whom he bowed,, even those the subjects of that king had committed terrorist attack on 9/11/2001 while shouting Allahu Akvar.

    • Well-Informed

      Gee, Gea. What an ignoramus and mental midget (with all apologies to little people everywhere), you are.

      • Gea

        I have voted for Obama in 2008 but since had seen him in action. I had also read all major religions books and only Islam is INCOMPATIBLE with the UN Constitution, which Obama is helping American Muslims subvert in order to hide that Islam teaches misogyny, dhimmitude, polygamy, pedophilia and murder for Allahu Akbar. Mohamed was a pedophile polygamist (married Aisha, one of his 12 wives when she was 6 and he was 51), a rapist, who raped a 17 year old Jewess whose husband he got beheaded a few hours earlier with 900 Jews from Medina, who did not want to accept this vile man as THEIR prophet. In any decent society such a man would be tried as a criminal he was and not emulated as a role model by 1,600 millions of Muslims around the world (23% of all human beings on Earth).

        After all, the Saudi terrorists of 9/11 did not scream Hail Mary, Our father, Shema Israel or OM when plunging planes into WTO, but Allahu Akbar, which had become a war cry of all Muslims when committing terrorist acts, including American born and highly educated Dr. Nidal Hassan who murdered 13 of his colleagues at Fort Hood, while screaming Allahu Akbar. Read Koran and Hadith and learn about bloody history of Islam and Mohamed to understand why Obama is a traitor of American values ever since he came to White house. Islam MUST REFORM and not be white washed by Muslims to cover up its teachings, which are incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which most Muslim majority countries (57 at UN) refused to sign since sharia does not recognize human rights. Go and study!.

  • Well-Informed

    Biden ripped you another hole. This time Ryan and Romney showed themselves to be total [comment has been edited].

  • needfulthings

    Well there JOE1CR ? this country was NOT founded on the “Judeo-Christian religion” Most ran from Christian controls. Dats what you will NOT find “gawd” in MY Constitution …. Sorry about yours !!!!!!!

  • needfulthings

    NO JOE1CR …… Dats “BULL” capital “S” with a “HIT” on thee end !!!!!!!!

  • needfulthings

    No Joe1cr .. How I see FASCISM

    FOURTEEN POINTS OF FASCISM AND CONSERITIVES

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.”

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe

    4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread
    domestic problems,

    5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. (WITH OR WITHOUT BINDERS)

    6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople

    7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion.

    9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability (TARP)

    14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns ( not born here)

    YA GOT IT JOE/ YOU RIGHT WINGNUTS FIT THIS BILL TO A “T”

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