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The 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

September 10, 2012 by  

The 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
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Tomorrow marks 11 years 9/11.

Tomorrow marks 11 years since the 21st century’s “Pearl Harbor,” the government’s attack on the U.S. Constitution, also known as 9/11, that launched the perpetual “War on Terror.”

Government, the mainstream media and an American populace blinded by normalcy bias, cognitive dissonance or faux patriotism — whatever you want to call it — and the powerful mainstream media propaganda machine consider anyone who questions the official narrative of 9/11 a “conspiracy theorist.” But the official narrative — that 19 hijackers, funded by Osama bin Laden and armed only with box cutters and a couple of flight lessons, commandeered four passenger jets and flew them into three buildings and a Pennsylvania field while U.S. air defenses dithered for almost an hour (in the case of the Pentagon) — is, as former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense and retired Marine Col. Ronald D. Ray says, “the dog that doesn’t hunt.”

Examine the meaning of the words “conspiracy theory,” and you see that the official narrative is a conspiracy theory. Merriam-Webster defines “conspiracy theory” as “a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators.”

The official narrative is just that, as the 9/11 Commission report does not definitively state what transpired that day, but does flesh out the theory that the attacks were carried out by at least 19 conspirators (hijackers) or more if you include bin Laden (the purported financier) and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (the alleged mastermind) working out of a cave in Afghanistan. This theory is considered the gospel according to George W. Bush, and even many of those who acknowledge the Bush regime lied America into the Iraq war are unable — or unwilling — to see that the Bush regime likewise lied us into the entire “War on Terror.” To believe otherwise is to believe in miracles, as David Ray Griffin points out in his book 9/11 Ten Years Later.

There are too many questions, some of which I outlined last year, and the answers given are nonsensical, implausible or impossible.

The Bush regime came into office itching to make war in the Mideast. The neocon wing of Republican Party advocated a stronger military and an aggressive Israel policy and needed “a new Pearl Harbor” to bring it about. The main reasons were two-fold: oil (corporatists for years had been striving for a stable Afghanistan in order to run a pipeline from the Caspian Sea region across Pakistan and Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean) and justification for passage of totalitarian, liberty-stealing legislation that would become known as the USA Patriot Act (the bones of which were assembled by then-Senator, now-Vice President Joe Biden in the 1990s) and help to usher in pappy Bush’s “New World Order.”

The official story is a lie. Adolf Hitler’s axiom, “The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one,” is confirmed. Americans can’t conceive that the elites walking the halls of power are evil psychopaths unencumbered by normal mores.

Their evil knows no bounds. So they conceived of a heinous plot to bring down (at least) three New York buildings and one wing of the Pentagon to halt investigations into financial crimes and launch a multitude of wars and use the fear of terror to steal our liberties. It was also a boon for Larry Silverstein, a friend of pappy Bush through The Carlyle Group.

Ownership of the World Trade Center had recently passed from the New York Port Authority to Silverstein with a convenient out for Silverstein. A clause in the contract provided Silverstein with billions of dollars and a release from obligation in the event of a terrorist attack.

World Trade Center 7, which was obviously imploded — admitted by Silverstein in an interview in which he said the decision was made to “pull” the building — as it fell in free fall in its own footprint after suffering only minor fire damage, housed the Securities and Exchange Commission. So we are led to believe WTC 7 was the first skyscraper in history to collapse from fire alone. The collapse, of course, ended any investigations into illegal trading.

The explosion at the Pentagon that resulted, we are told, from American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the building following a remarkable and almost impossible air maneuver pulled off by a terrorist who couldn’t competently pilot a Cessna conveniently halted an investigation into the disappearance of $2.3 trillion from the Pentagon, as announced by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld the previous day.

It was also the least occupied section of the Pentagon and the area the furthest away from Rumsfeld and top Pentagon brass. The idea that KSM would create such an elaborate plan and goof so badly in selecting the area of the Pentagon to target is absurd.

To believe that skyscrapers designed to withstand multiple crashes by airliners and fires would fall so swiftly and perfectly into their own footprint as a result of crash and fire damage requires a suspension of logic and the laws of physics. As Jim Hoffman writes, “NIST’s assertion that the Tower’s intact structure was ‘unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass’ is absurd: It requires us to believe that the massive steel frames of the towers provided no more resistance to falling rubble than air.”

And then there’s the “mid-air miracle” of the South Tower. As the building begins to collapse, the top portion above the crash site begins to tip toward the corner that had been most damaged by the airplane’s impact.

“According to the law of the conservation of angular momentum, this section should have fallen to the ground far outside the building’s footprint… But the rotation suddenly decelerated. Then it reversed direction even though the law of conservation of angular momentum states that a solid object in rotation will continue to rotate at the same speed unless acted upon by torque.

“And then, as if this were not miracle enough: We observe [wrote physicist Steven Jones] that approximately 30 upper floors begin to rotate as a block, to the south and east. They begin to topple over, not fall straight down. The torque due to gravity on this block is enormous, as is its angular momentum. But then—and this I’m still puzzling over—this block turned mostly to powder in mid-air! How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives?” (source: 9/11 Ten Years Later)

The fact is there were explosives, as stated at the time by witnesses on the ground — including New York City firefighters — who heard and saw them.

The 9/11 Commission was set up — as are all government investigative commissions — to whitewash the facts. George W. Bush first attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger to head the commission, but he backed out over requirements to report his lobbying clients and protests by victims’ families. When the commission finally got under way, it ignored the (often changing) timelines given in public interviews by Cheney, Rumsfeld and others, and the testimony of government whistleblowers — including FBI interpreter Sibel Edmonds — with evidence of complicity within government. Once it was finished, Commission Chairman Thomas Kean and Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton both said they had not gotten to the bottom of 9/11 because of stonewalling by the Administration and various government agencies involved. A member of the commission, Bob Kerry, has stated publicly the commission was set up to fail.

Left uninvestigated and virtually unreported was evidence of involvement by Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Recognizing early on that the official narrative may not play well, Bush stated: “Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.”

But that is just what the majority of the public have done.

For more information, go to 9/11truth.org. You can also watch the documentary “9/11: Explosive Evidence — Experts Speak Out” on Colorado Public Television. At the very least, this documentary shows the government is lying about WTC 7. If it’s lying about that, is it beyond the realm of possibility that the whole government conspiracy theory is a lie?

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    AS I HAVE STATED EARLIER, THIS IS A “white folks’ ” STORY – “HAVE AT IT!”

    • Deerinwater

      Well Sir, it’s a world history story and that you see being non-white setting you apart from the rest of the world , one needs to define themselves for I’m unclear of who they are.

      • Robert Smith

        Amazing, just amazing…

        When I suggest Bush was responsible for something my knuckles get smacked.

        And now folks are trying to convince us that Bush was smart enough to pull off such an evil deed.

        It would take dozens of folks weeks, if not months, to bring enough thermite or an explosive into the building and set it to do the alleged damage. And they weren’t questioned?

        BTW, a friend of mine was on a bus in the Mixing Bowl and saw the plane. It was an airliner, not a missile. She knows the difference. Her husband is a pilot.

        Rob

      • Kate8

        RS, Apparently you don’t read any posts but your own, then. By far, most of us here have already gotten that those at the top are ALL IN ON IT. You haven’t seen anyone here praising the Bush’s.

        But Clinton did his part. Both Clintons, that is. And now Obama is putting the final nails in our coffins.

        Oh, wait. Your’re here to keep this R/L fantasy going. Well, like with the rest of you trolls, you are wasting your time. But then, you obviously have a lot of time to waste.

      • Thor

        From October, 1944 until the end of the war 47 Allied vessels, from PT boats to escort carriers, were sunk by kamikaze attacks, and about 300 damaged.

        Aside from a few task-dedicated flying bombs called “Cherry Blossoms,” most of the aircraft used were of the Kate-class (loaded weight=8,380 lb), Zeroes (loaded weight= 5,313 lb) and Judy’s (loaded weight=9,370 lb), each usually carrying one bomb plus a payload of fuel.

        Among the vessels sank were three aircraft carriers and 14 destroyers, all heavily armored and all heavily defended.

        So, according to what I am reading here (and elsewhere), an aircraft weighing less than 10,000 pounds and carrying only a bomb and avgas can sink an aircraft carrier but a Boeing 767 weighing forty times more (412,000 lb) and carrying a payload of more volatile jet fuel cannot bring down a building?

        The Titanic was not supposed to sink either.

        George Bush lied through his teeth about the intelligence community’s not knowing or even conceiving the use of planes as a terrorist weapon because Republicans via a senate subcommittee on terrorism and unconventional warfare commissioned a study on terrorist motivations and methods which came to fruition in 1993 and revealed that:

        Huzang Morteza’I, an experienced Iranian pilot, served as flight instructor for the IRGC until 1983. He described another form of suicide bombings in which pilots crashed Pilatus PC-7 aircraft loaded with explosives into major targets and died like martyrs. The training of suicide pilots started at Busher air base in Iran in the early 1980’s. (Yossef Bodansky, Target America, p. 14).

        You say Griffin…I say Bodansky.

        Come on, Bob, you may indeed have a conspiracy…but, it ain’t because the planes could not do it.

      • Gordon

        Not directed at anyone in particular:
        Most people like a good conspiracy theory. Probably because of the massive movie and media propaganda brain washing they’ve all gotten for decades. Argue if youz want, but simple facts are that the overwhelming majority of structural engineers agree that the towers could be, and in fact actually were downed solely by the planes. It’s really simple how it could happen, but that is what makes it so juicy for a conspiracy theory. I find it actually scary to realize how many seemingly rational individuals desperately want to believe a conspiracy theory. Was it the first communist president Abe Lincoln that stated something like… if you repeat something loud enough, long enough, with enough emphasis, that sooner or later everybody will believe it. Hang in there people, life is like “1984″ and “Demolition Man” and….. their coming to get YOU.

      • Syl

        We, the public, are forced to examine facts that don’t jibe with official statements because we are always “being played” by powers who would enslave us. Then those powers say, “the public loves a good conspracy” but they don’t explain the facts in question. I know the difference between reality and T.V. fiction and prefer fiction to what is happening to us as a nation. We are becoming enslaved but officially, “that’s just a conspiracy theory!)

      • DaveH

        Thor, you being an ex-cop, I understand why you would have a need to be an apologist for your brethren, but 50 years ago most people would have told you you’re crazy if you said that FDR encouraged the Pearl Harbor attack as a back-door way into the War against Germany.
        Now, however, thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, we know better. Read this book, Thor, and quit being a dupe:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        Syl says:
        September 10, 2012 at 12:35 pm
        We, the public, are forced to examine facts that don’t jibe with official statements because we are always “being played” by powers who would enslave us. Then those powers say, “the public loves a good conspracy” but they don’t explain the facts in question. I know the difference between reality and T.V. fiction and prefer fiction to what is happening to us as a nation. We are becoming enslaved but officially, “that’s just a conspiracy theory!)

        The above is the most sensible comment I have yet read on this thread.

        My two cents worth is this: Having conspirators crash planes into buildings seems easier than blowing them up. Having nation-states behind it with trillions of dollars to be made seems like a good reason for making this happen. Certain people made fortunes from this.

        We must have at least one profit-making business to keep our economy stumbling along. Why not our military? Our military needs to work, and they’re good at their job. Where would our soldiers work if they all came home? Why else does our government give foreign aid to countries who are providing our troops with enemies to kill?

        As far as declaring war on our Constitutional rights is concerned; look at how militarized our police have become. We are now deploying the same drones (UAVs) against America and American citizens that we deploy against our enemies. We now have a “civilian” police force, combined with dozens of new Federal agencies, that can charge you with domestic terrorism and proceed to do pretty much anything they want to you. We are now officially presumed guilty instead of innocent.

        An example: One federal agency (FEMA) tells you to be prepared for an emergency and keep supplies at home to support yourself or your family for a week or two; another government agency (Homeland Security) says that such people are to be watched as potential domestic terrorists.

        Our government seems to being going insane, and we just do nothing. Most people can’t even be bothered to vote. I know people who are so certain their votes or voices do not matter that they refuse to even vote. Americans citizens are letting America down. It is our fault for letting things get this bad while we as a people refused to acknowledge the damage our government incurs upon the populace. This state of affairs cannot last forever. We seem to be heading down the same path the Russians went down.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Kurt Van Luven: Oswald was a patsy. His rifle was defective. Someone did shoot from the back but the chances of a hit were minimized not just by the Manlicher-Carcano having a defective scope but there was a tree between the Texas School Book Depository and the Kennedy limousine. There is also information out there that the limousine had a bullet hole in the front windshield. There is an eyewitness from Parkland Hospital and the man who put in a new windshield. Senator Ralph Yarborough saw and smelled gunsmoke coming from behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll. There was a plan to kill JFK by triangulation of fire when he was in Miami but it didn’t happen.
        There were shots from the front because all the Parkland Doctors initially reported a huge deficit in the back of his skull (exit wound) and there were skull fragments from the occipital region found by a motorcycle cop. When the autopsy was performed in Washington, instead of the actual photos, a drawing of the back of his skull showed a small entry wound. The official photographer supposedly committed suicide. Although he was left-handed the bullet wound was on the right side.
        How can you categorically state it was Oswald. He was obviouly a government agent. He had a top secret clearance when in Japan and yet he was supposedly a defector to the Soviet Union. In those days of the Cold War a big propaganda campaign would have occurred when he returned to the effect of “See our system is better, Communism sucks, etc.” Instead, he was brought back quietly at government expense and set up in various jobs. In New Orleans he worked closely with right wingers.
        I suppose you think lone nuts killed Malcolm X, MLuther King, RFK, and shot Larry Flynt and Governor Wallace and in 1980 killed John Lennon. Reagan was shot by the son of a Texas oil Tycoon political supporter of GHW Bush and the case against the tycoon for some kind of fraud was then dropped.. Pappy was then effectively calling the shots for the rest of Reagan’s presidency. His son Neil was in on the billions of dollars theftsof the Savinsg & Loans that cost the middle class dearly. Reagan was the figurehead and delivered his lines just as GWBush did after 9/11. Pappy tried to pret
        end he did not know the Hinckley’s which was a dead giveaway.
        I hate to tell you but you can’t vote them all out. Every election has a winner. It is up to us to vote out the worse of the two choices. That is the best we can hope for. However, Homeland Security, Fema et al are tightening the noose. Did you hear about the dried food packets and hollow point bullets they are stocking up on? In two years the domestic drone program ($68 BILLION allotted for starters) will be in place. Then it will be “Let the slaughter begin.” I’m old but I pity those who have their whole lives ahead of them.

    • BOOKER T

      RACIST

    • Lynnette

      Although you may think this is a “white folks” story, you will find eventually that this is not just a black and white story, nor a national story, but a GLOBAL story. This story knows no party Republican or Democrat. The people who have done this have a world wide agenda and the driving force is greed. The game has been in played for hundreds of years and is almost at end. It ends with 85% of the world population annihilated and the rest enslaved. They have built their bunkers to survive while they release deadly designed viruses to be released on the unsuspecting population of the world. This game encompasses all the major western powers. You can ridicule me in disbelief, but eventually, you will see I am right. You have but to look around you to find that Big Brother is already in place and getting stronger, the latest being the FBI’s facial recognition program. There are cameras at most every street corner in the cities. If you search the internet and start to put pieces together, the picture becomes clear. I do not have to convince you of what is happening, it will happen one way or the other. Short of a major natural disaster, there isn’t a thing we can do. The game is rigged.

      • Old Henry

        Keep an eye on daddy Bush and Shrub. When they bundle up and head for their place in South America it is about to take place.

      • Migdalia Leon

        I agree with you Lynette on everything you just wrote and I wanted to inform you and others this government will want for everyone to be inserted with the RIFD chip. We are headed towards a cashless society for when the economy crashes then the US citizens will be force to have the chip inserted by the government. This chip will be used for your medical records and to buy and sell and work, it will have a account of all your monies in your account. The government will use the RIFD Chip to control every US Citizens, for example if the citizens protest the government on a issued, the government can pick up signals of who was there protesting and therefore the government can turn your chip off. And with the chip turn off you can’t buy food or do anything. We are heading towards a New World Order a One World Government. Most people are not aware the RIFD Chip and it is included in the Obamacare.

      • Kate8

        True, Old H. But how will we know? I’m sure their departure won’t be announced.

        No doubt there is enough pre-recorded footage to run on TV to make us think it’s all business as usual, right down to the big BOOM.

      • Kate8

        Migdalia – They will not only turn off your ability to buy or sell. The chip has the capability to turn US off. Permanently.

        They plan to turn us in to the Borg. Heck, most folks are already mostly there… all that’s left is to make it official. Unless, of course, we all snap out of it REALLY SOON.

      • Tim

        I looked into the 911 conspiracy theories with an open mind and there is one definitive conclusion for me. I can only speak from personal experience and I can tell you this. I have been a Boeing 757 mechanic for many years and a 757 did not slam into the Pentagon. I’ve been in aviation for 25 years now and it doesn’t even begin to add up. Just a few examples of what I am talking about: no seats all over the place, no luggage and clothing strewn over the site, no lengthy body cleanup, no large fuel spill clean up or jet fuel fire. NO convincing 757 parts period, I don’t care what the new outlets have told you. Further, a 757 would have made a much wider hole in the building, the engines (around 14 tons of mass) and the center section of the airplane would no have made a perfectly round hole like the first pictures showed, and they didn’t show that perfectly round hole for long believe me. Bottom line for me, if a 757 definitely didn’t hit the Pentagon then why is it a stretch to believe the whole thing is a conspiracy against every American by the sick global elites.

      • wandamurline

        Being the paranoid person that I am, I have always thought it very strange that the towers would collaspe as if a demolition man had blown them….they fell straight down onto themselves and they were hit at the top of the buildings….I could understand if they were hit at the bottom….gravity cannot explain this and one reporter was reporting on Bldg. 7 being destroyed and it was still standing. Then you get to Osama bin Laden….I believe this guy who was k i l l e d was not bin Laden, I believe that bin Laden d i e d some years ago from kidney disease as he needed dialysis….didn’t see any evidence of that in his house from what photos were released, and that is why videos stopped and only audio tapes were supposedly received. A BBS reporter had an Afghan man saying it was a case of mistaken identity … that they guy used to be his neighbor and called his name. I believe this is why the body was dumped so quickly and all photos were not released … I do believe the Seals were fooled by the guy they s h o t….maybe some realized this and this is why a lone insurgent took down the helicopter in which 16 Seals were k i ll e d. I have gotten to the point that I do not trust our government, they are corrupt, greedy, and will do whatever they can to scare us and control us. We do have FEMA camps right now, with barbed wire on top…what is that needed for, and why is Social Security and NOAA purchasing thousands of rounds of amunition, and why has FEMA ordered 300 times the freeze dried foods they usually order? This country is in trouble and we all know that the Bushes are new world order guys….pretty sure about Clinton…but think Obama is just a puppet of George Soros who want to anticolonialize America….bring it to it ‘s knees and give the countries we colonized what we have in order to fill his numnut, alcoholic, dead beat dad’s dreams of equalization. So, I will get a lot of flack for this, but if you start connecting the dots, it paints a different picture than what the lame stream news medias are painting and what the government paints…..they believe that We The People are stupid and they want us to be servants instead of citizens. Of course, most of us will fight back and this is why all the ammunition.

      • diamond1957

        this is a bible story whose roots run deep and well beyond newsstand variety slop. Its obvious the cover story is just that, a cover story, to get to the true conspirators would require an ability to pierce through the veil of everyday conscious programing we have all been subject to our entire lives. Yes we have all programed ourselves into expecting normalcy, 2+2 must always =4 we take that for granted, and there are those who know this and use it to operate in plain sight, politicians dont even try to hide things anymore, call it
        desensitising or expanding the norm. But its right out of the Bible, failure of right believing, the placing of false gods (ie;homes,cars, money,position etc..) before the one true God, in how many stories is it told that the peoples minds were given over to or blinded from the truth. As a society we brought this on ourselves, we have allowed God to be removed from our daily lives, thus we have become as sheep for the slaughter. But I’m sure the media and writers would much rather have a conspiracy than the simple truth, cause it sells better, and who could compete with the Bible when it comes to the truth.

      • Gordon

        Wandamurline here’s the oversimplified version: Ever see a flue fire. A chimney fire? The center of all the tall buildings are a hole, top to bottom for elevators and utilities. Fuel poured down those center holes runs down while it is flaming, all the while the rising hot air sucks massive amounts of air from the bottom making the center a blast furnace melting the center steel structural integrity of the buildings causing an implosion of sorts as the center falls into itself. Yes Rosie O’Donnel, fire can melt steel. How do you think they make steel in the first place?

      • moonbeam

        wandamurline, when looking a film of the towers during the crashes, you will see explosions taking place on the lower floors that had nothing to do with the plane. All was craftily planned and bushboy knew all about it. If you watch the video of when they told him while talking to a classroom of kids in Florida, his reaction was totally inappropriate. When I saw that I said to myself…”he knew about it before hand!”

        Also, we all know that the bushboogies declined to show up at the repub convention in Tampa, Florida. Why? Because they knew of the citizens arrest planned for them for their war crimes. They even tried to arrest Condi Rice. This is also why bushboy can’t step foot overseas as he will be arrested for his war crimes and rightfully so.

      • Old Henry

        I wondered the same thing as I was typing that Kate.

        I wonder if that may be one reason they have been / are keeping so much out of sight.

        However, in today’s world there must be individuals who are keeping watch on them, or at least one of them.

        As an aside I did not watch the DNC last week, but received an email this a.m. with a link in the story to the speach given by former MI Gov. Jennifer Granholm. It is good for a laugh. I thought she was going to be orgasmic by the end.

        http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/09/10/michigans-governor-looks-like-a-cheerleader-sounds-like-one-and-thinks-like-one/

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Lynnette,”

        MA’AM, NEGROES AND MIDDLE-EASTERNERS ARE NOT ANGRY WITH EACH OTHER; MIDDLE-EASTERNERS ARE ANGRY WITH CAUCASIANS O-N-L-Y.

        • Lynnette

          I do not deny this, what you fail to see is that those with the power see only one color and it is green (or gold/silver/platinum or whatever color greed takes). You will find that your anger is misdirected and always has been. Your beloved black president is one of them, low ranking, but one none the less. When the [expletive deleted] hits the fan, he will go underground and he will leave you here to burn with all the others white, red, yellow, brown, black and every shade in between.

      • Old Henry

        I’m with you Wanda! However, I have not trusted the govt. since they shot JFK and then put the blame on Oswald. I remember telling my parents back in the late 60s and early 70s that LBJ had him shot, or was deeply involved. They were not sure it was Oswald, but did not think Johnson was in on it.

        Of course the govt. lies to us, and we lie to them…. every April. LOL!

      • Old Henry

        Citizen’s arrest moombeam? This is the first I had heard of the plan.

        What happened when they tried to arrest Condi Rice?

      • DaveH

        Gordan says — “Wandamurline here’s the oversimplified version: Ever see a flue fire. A chimney fire? The center of all the tall buildings are a hole, top to bottom for elevators and utilities”.

        Sorry, Gordon, you’re making a lot of assumptions there. First all of the elevator shafts would have to be unobstructed. Even then, you expect us to believe that any updraft would create enough heat for the jet fuel to melt the steel? And if, somehow, the fire was hot enough, the odds for a controlled collapse like that of the towers, would be extremely small. The fires would have to be very evenly spread for a symmetrical collapse.

        I’m more inclined to believe these guys:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6fBlV9o-Y

      • DaveH
      • Gordon

        Well DAVE, thank you for your comment. It is painfully obvious that you have NEVER been inside the utility core of a major building.

      • Wil

        Migdalia-they don’t really even need the chip. They’re already there with the smart phones.Already linked to bank accounts,always-on GPS to track everybody,etc.They will probably be made mandatory for every citizen to carry at all times soon.

      • DaveH
      • granny mae

        Lynnette,
        You are so right. At this point in time I see no purpose in rehashing all this crap. I’m sure there were explosions within the building because there were many pipes of explosive materials throught the buildings. There was even a restraunt at the top of the one building and I’m sure there were other places to go get food throughout the buildings. To think those places did not have explosive gasses and canisters around is rediculous. When there is a fire of the magnitude of the WTC set off by jet fuel you got to know that something has got to give. And yes it is hot enough to melt and weaken steel. The ability of something to fall in a certain direction is influenced by a lot of factors and one of them is the wind at that hight ! Those buildings moved back and forth all the time, they had to in order to be stable, it is part of their design. It is pointless to keep blaming everyone around for what happened. We have the words of those responsible that they did it and they bragged about it so get out of the past and focus on the present and the future so we can stop what we know is happenig right now !

      • grannymae1

        It is plane to see that most of you people wanting to believe in this story that it was planned by Washington to take down the towers are seeing what you want to see and think you are using what you call common sense but I’m here to tel you that the majority of you know nothing about jet fuel or anything else of what you are trying to talk about. You are seeing things that other people want you to see and they are telling you is true. None of it is based on real fact. I worked with explosives and chemicals for years and I know them well. You all are p-ssing in the wind. As for the Kennedy assisnation, that was a conspiricy and I think in my heart that Johnson was behind it but not alone. The group that wanted Kennedy gone also wanted his brother Robert gone. There again it is too late for that story anymore !

        • Lynnette

          grannymae1, I NEVER said Washington was behind it. I said the powers that rule the world behind the major western governments was BEHIND the bombings. And as for the buildings, ones as tall as the Twin Towers were DO NOT implode into their footprint without a whole lot of help of which there was ample evidence to be found afterwards. Please make sure as to who you are actually responding to, because so far you do NOT make a whole lot of sense concerning my postings.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        Hey Gordon…why not put your cognitive dissonance aside and realize that OZ is dung brown when you take off your emerald glasses and that the Wizard is a psychopath that will do whatever it takes to get people like you to believe that he is real. Apparently he has done a bang up job because my 17 year old has it figured out and you still don’t. 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB and had the aide of your buddies over their in IsreaLIE via the MOSSAD. So pllllllleeeeezzzzzeeee get your head out of your …well, fill in the blank. I have NO IDEA how someone could be so stupid when it comes to these obvious lies we have been fed. SHOW ME the JETS in the Pentagon photos or the field in PA. SHOW ME a fire that can be stoked to the temperature necessary to totally destroy 100 story steel and concrete buildings in 10 seconds and I’ll show you that you must have monkeys flying out of your… well fill in the blank again.

      • granny mae

        Lynnette, I wasn’t responding to you in all that I said. I told you that I agreed with you and then I was responding to may others on the same subject. Sorry you got the wrong idea and that is why it didn’t make any sense to you. Yes buildings can implode on themselves when there are explosions going off and with the exploding planes there were a lot of things going on that were unusual. There can be explosions from other things within the building such as gas pipes and cooking surfaces and heating and cooling contraptions that can explode with immediate result from the fire and the movement of the building at the time of impact and it doesn’t have to be done by deliberate setting of devises. I worked with chemicals and explosives and some of them very touchy, and I can tell you for sure that they can do things you would not believe. So don’t be so sure that all that happened was some master plan by Washington. I don’t expect any of you to believe me because you will believe what you want and see what you want, but you could be very wrong. I myself have convinced a doctor, a judge and a jury that something they were looking at was one thing when in fact it was really something else. They saw what they wanted to see and what I told them to see. You people are doing the same thing. You want to see conspiricy everywhere. And you will and just like that doctor and judge and jury you will be dead wrong but you will never know it because you don’t want to know it ! Consider this. When demolition experts want to implode a building they place explosives on certain wals within the building, now consider this when building and designing a huge building pipes and such that carry explosive material are run along the walls for a reason, it is the only place to put them where they are out of sight and most of these buildings are designed to be very open in the living and work space. There is no place to put these pipes except along the berring walls within the building when an explosion of such magnitude happens these volital pipes and such give way just like they do in an deliberate implosion. Down comes the building, and when the force of the upper floors hit the next one on the way down those floors were going to give also. Your talking about tons of weight that most people can’t immagine and explosive power that most can’t imagine. Jet fuel is one of the most explosive sobstances there is. It can be set off by a spark of static electricity from just movement of certain cloths. That is why those people chose to use jet planes of such a size and ramming them as quickly as possible so as not to have used any more fuel than was absolutely necessary. These people were not the stupid third world country idiots everyone thought they were. They knew exactly what they were doing every minute. The only thing they didn’t count on was the intelligence and determination and dedication of the American spirit on those planes. There was also divine guidence and intervention at that time and to rule out the presence of God is a mistake I won’t make. Some say the plane that hit the Pentagon was impossible to have manuvered. Wrong it doesn’t take a genious to let the plane fall and for all we know it may not have hit where it was intended to hit, but it did hit where it did ! There is othig we can do about all this today but we can keep our wits about us and be on guard for what they still want to do to us. If we allow ourselves to be distracted by the pastwe will not be able to see the present and the future. Sorry this is so long. I’m not trying to make anyone feel like an idiot, just trying to point out that there are some very good explanations for what happened the way it happened and beware of others tring to make you see what they want you to see because most of the time they have their own agenda and need support for their views. Don’t fall into the trap.

      • Gordon

        Dave, you are trying to prove yourself right using the wrong premise. This was not open air burning, and steel gets soft and easier to bend at a moderate temperature, long before it melts.

    • RichE

      How does one become non-white?

      • deerinwater

        LOL! being anything but “white” would be my guess.

      • http://yahoo marc lizotte

        LOL, I wonder if human fits in there anywhere!

      • Vicki

        RichE says:
        “How does one become non-white?”

        Get a suntan? :)

        • RichE

          Putting on the lotion,
          laze’n the sun.
          No more commotion,
          only having fun.
          No more notion,
          Of what they all done
          Don’t need Mr. Potion’s,
          cloudy bouillon.
          (chorus)
          Sailing on the ocean,
          I’m not a white one

    • http://McPherson Jarvis

      I’ve heard so many perspectives on scientists stating that it is impossible for buildings to do this. Name another disaster, like this, that happened that you can compare this to. There are thousands of variables that science cannot take into account that explains how the towers fell. How about engineering, materials used in the building of the towers, the loads of flammable materials present in a building that does the amount of business the towers did? What kind of heating and cooling system the towers used etc. Have we forgotten the size of these planes that crashed into the towers and what they were filled with? Can we measure the amount of force that was liberated from the collapse of the buildings and those variables of proximity to other buildings?

      • Old Henry

        Jarvis:

        I’ll bet you also think Oswald shot Kennedy.

        Better re-read Bob’s article.

      • Fireplace

        A good place to start Jarvis, is understanding thatJet kerosene fuel burns at a max 1800 degrees, whereas steel doesn’t even get soft until it reaches the 4800 degree range. One can see multiple people waving from the missle entry points…so tell me; How does a fire hot enough to vaporice steel supports not have the energy to consume mere meat and bone humans? Bush lied when saying in an interview, that he saw the 1st plane crash into WTC and thought, “what a terrible accident”.Later an Aide came in and told him another Plane had hit, so he kwew we were under attack then,,. but stayed and continued reading-putting himself AND all those school kids in danger, Bush even flew off on Air Force One withOUT a jet escort! The reason Bush wasn’t rushed from the building (ignoring protocal) is because if anyone knew they were safe, it was Bush. Oh, and regarding his statement that he saw the 1st Plane hit the frst target on the classroom’s monitor- was a complete lie- The only film of the 1st plane hitting was taken by a rench Film Crew shooting on the streets of New York and wasn’t made available for hours- so Bush lied. If he saw the 1st building hit at all, it was from his secure satillite link onitor in another room where real time visuals would require the satillites be ordered to focus on the trade center because they were expecting the hits and watched in real time. And how does a Jumbo Jet fit trrough the 16 foot hole it supposedly opened? The depth of the destruction has been measured- and would allow ONLY the fuselage into the building leaving the entire plane outsid….so where did it go> At the Pentagon AND Shanksville (ft 93) no fuselage was found; no luggage, no wheels, no cargo doors. no bodies..just a pristine “terrorist’s” ID laying nearby- just as Atta’s pristine ID was found a couple blocks from the WTC in the debris field (how is its survival even remotely possible as the plane/missle was obliterated). Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Meyers, Powell, and Kissenger and others, are monsters who MUST be brought up on treason, sedition, and mass murder charges- on the 3000 slaughted victims here they butchered, but also the million plus civilions that have been slaughted for oil and Nationbuilding, plus land grabs for Israel. The evidences for this being an inside job overwhelm any scenerio to the contrary. AE911truth.org, Bollyn.com, DVD: In Plane Site; DVD: A Noble Lie…are good places to inform yourselves. Remember also, the Repubs and the Dems are the flip-side of the same coin- no change: Wars will continue; False flags will, continue to erode the Constitution, the Federal Reserve will continue the Theft of TRILLIONS of dollars from our economy with the protection of both Obama and Romney; The NDAA will not be questioned and our country will continue to be sold out from under us by the very Politicians who’ve sold their souls to do so… all the while, pundits such as Hannity, O’reilly, and others,will continue to muzzle and denigrate anyone with the cajones to speak out, The facts are alllll there, Folks. Just inform yourself with the truth. Kudos Bob Livingston. YOU have a spine…Thanks.

      • Gordon

        FIREPLACE your numbers are totally wrong. period. Steel gets softer about 600*f and turns to liquid by 2000*f . Ask anybody who has ever used a cutting torch or welder. The blast furnace effect can make even a wooden house (451*f) disintegrate concrete with temps above 1600*.

      • Gordon

        Old Henry. No question about it- Oswald did shoot JFK. The big question is, who else shot JFK? and who ordered it?

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Gordon says — “Ask anybody who has ever used a cutting torch”.
        You’re mixing apples and oranges, Gordon. Different fuels, different environments:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_torch

      • Kate8

        Gordon – It’s plain that you haven’t read much about the JFK shooting. There is actually a great deal of evidence that it was NOT Oswald who shot him. No doubt Ruby was there to make sure he didn’t talk.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        As well, there is ample evidence that explosives were used.

        http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

      • grannymae1

        Fireplace,
        I don’t know where the cat hair you got all your information, but most of it is wrong. There is film of one of the planes going right through the entire building and some of it coming out the otherside. There were landing gear found in several places and not just right below the buildings, as for people not being vaporized that is true. One man lived to tell his story but most did not. As for the plane in Shanksville how much of anyone or anything do you think you would find when a passenger drove nose down full speed into the ground? You are a prime example of what I meant when I said people will see and believe what they want and there is no way you can convince them otherwise. Your common sense is not common at all. Jarvis you make a lot of sense and Old Henery, I don’t think for a minute that Oswald killed Kennedy, there were pictures of him standing in the doorway of the Texas school book depository just moments before the shooting. Even showed a close-up of his watch as to the time, but I do think he knew all about it. He didn’t do it though. Just another case of people beliving what they want when someone is telling them what they want to hear. I focuses the mind in the opposite direction for a very good reason, it makes it easier to cover up the truth !

      • JC

        Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County. (UA93)
        He told author David McCall:

        “I got to the actual crash site and could not believe what I saw. … Usually you see much debris, wreckage, and much noise and commotion. This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise. … It appeared as though there were no passengers or crew on this plane.”

        Local FBI agent Wells Morrison told author Glenn Kashurba what he saw when he arrived at the crash site: “We arrived in the immediate area and walked up to the crater and the burning woods. My first thought was, ‘Where is the plane?’ Because most of what I saw was this honeycomb looking stuff, which I believe is insulation or something like that. I was not seeing anything that was distinguishable either as human remains or aircraft debris.”

        Jon Meyer, a reporter with WJAC-TV, says: “We were so early that they hadn’t had a chance to set up a barrier for the press. … I was able to get right up to the edge of the crater. … All I saw was a crater filled with small, charred plane parts. … There were no suitcases, no recognizable plane parts, no body parts.”

      • Gordon

        Kate, just because you strongly believe it doesn’t make it true or correct.

    • kygator

      WOW!! How does yu’all meke sech a decision???

      • http://na Mike in NE

        Fireplace, very well stated. i put up a sign on a very busy street after this happened calling out for the monsters you mentioned to be brought up on those very charges. We had a small gathering of like minded folks standing by, did not stay but a few hours for it seemed too dangerous from the comments of passing cars. Came back two hours later and the sign was gone, just like the wreckage of the planes, no engines, fuselage,seats etc. i was always amazed at aircraft crashes of the widespread area of stuff from the plane. Did not see that on 9-11. I was and still am convinced that said monsters orchestrated the whole thing, with no doubt.

    • http://keith@paintballpartyz.com keith

      it probally was white fokes–white fokes, good or bad make most all the big decisions. if we did a through and open investigation we might find a black foke to blame. if being involved would make you feel less left-out you should support an investagation–christopher. this race thing is just a stupid deversion. if your brave enough to view the unexplainable with 9/11 type in LOOSE CHANGE 2nd edition

      • Old Henry

        Pick up the DVD “9/11 Blueprint for Truth”. I got it on eBay for less than $5 with shipping.

        It is a recording of a seminar given by a structural engineer. He shows how the guvment story line is not possible.

      • Gordon

        I haven’t seen it, but MOST structural engineers that actually got better than a D- grade realize how the planes caused the collapse. D- engineers…. they’re everywhere.

      • DaveH

        I believe you now, Gordon.
        Yeah right.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Keith,”

        THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, AMERICAN NEGROES ARE CONSIDERED THE “low man on the totem pole” – ESPECIALLY, BY SOUTHEAST-ASIANS ["Orientals"]. WHEN A GLOBAL- OR INTERNATIONAL CRISIS OCCURS, NO ONE BLAMES AMERICAN NEGROES BECAUSE WE ARE CONSIDERED IMPOTENT PEOPLE WHO LACK POLITICAL- AND FINANCIAL POWER.

        “Keith,” I HAVE TYPED THIS BEFORE. IF YOU HAD SURVEYED THE “NEGRO MAN ON THE STREET” ON 10 SEPTEMBER 2001 AND ASKED:

        “What is the World Trade Center?”
        “Where is the World Trade Center?”
        “What goes on at the World Trade Center?”

        THE AVERAGE NEGRO COULD NOT HAVE ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS ON 10 SEPTEMBER 2001. THEREFORE, WHY SHOULD AMERICAN NEGROES BE ANGRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THE FOLLOWING MORNING?

        • Lynnette

          Christopher, if you want to be taken seriously, use capitalization at a minimum, otherwise you come across as some fool screaming his “cause” like those in mobs shaking their fists. No one will really listen becasuse it shows you cannot control yourself.

          Now, as to why the “black man” should be concerned about the towers. On the surface I can see your point and I don’t question it. What is at question here is the agenda as it applies to EVERY MAN no matter what his or her color, by those in power in the world. Those towers represented the WORLD and how every country in it did business with one another. By them being attacked, those powers basically said “We own you.” and they went on to blame the Muslims for the atrocity. The fact is there is an elite government that manipulates the world, not just our government. If you thought the black man was enslaved before, you’re going to have LOTS of company this time. YOU will not be spared, so ,YES, it does concern the black man.

          One last thing, while you are feeling put upon by the white man, I have two points to make. The people who brought down the towers are the very same ones who were behind slavery in the first place. And secondly, many of YOUR ancestors, sold YOUR relatives into bondage. Do your homework before you can feel justified in you attitude.

          • Deerinwater

            Lynnette, 6 weeks ago, in the most gentle of manners, I too addressed Chris about the use of Caps. ~ Obviously ~ he/she or it is obstinate. I’m uncertain as to the character “Chris Horton” intent or motives are but clearly it is not here to learn.

        • Deerinwater

          “THE AVERAGE NEGRO COULD NOT HAVE ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS ON 10 SEPTEMBER 2001. THEREFORE, WHY SHOULD AMERICAN NEGROES BE ANGRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THE FOLLOWING MORNING?”

          Judging by what you are attempting to sell us Mr. Horton, I’m left to believe that I don’t know what an “average American Negro” is. I’ve never considered a negro that requires the use of one hand holding on to his pecker to hold his pants up as “average”. While I do accept and understand there various region of the nation will have a “average” until itself. So are you talking about “Bama” or Mississippi or South Caroline or south Fort Worth, Texas or a Nation of “Averages”?

          I tend to believe you are stereotyping the American Negro and while you may not be wrong, you are not exactly right either.

          Hard economic times hits the under classes of all race, creed and color , disenfranchised, under educated, under prepared, under privileged, under employed first and the hardest and it stays the longest.

          The good news is “crack sells is down ” in some areas of the country and girls are finding it harder to sell tail, supply & demand ~ seems the demand is down.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Lynnette,”

        I DO NOT DOUBT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE GLOBAL “STUFF.” MY POINT IS, NEGROES CAN ONLY DEAL WITH WHAT WE SEE ON THE NEWS. THE NEWS SAID MIDDLE-EASTERNERS “DID IT.”

        WHEN A NEGRO WATCHES WORLD NEWS, WE HEAR CAUCASIAN JOURNALISTS ONLY TALK ABOUT THE BAD COLORED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

        SINCE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LIKES TO “STICK ITS NOSE” IN OTHER NATIONS’ BUSINESS, AMERICAN NEGROES VIEW “9/11″ AS MIDDLE-EASTERN RETALIATION AGAINST A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE [AMERICAN CAUCASIANS] WHO WANT TO STEAL THEIR OIL, DO NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND DO NOT LIKE THE WAY IN WHICH THEY WORSHIP THEIR “god.”

        • Lynnette

          LOL…Christopher Allen Horton are you having a good time? For a white boy, you do like to stir up trouble. If I were you, I’d stop hanging around Gay web sites, makes you look like you might be one. And you were VERY easy to find on Facebook.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I don’t know about anyone else, but I find your point well made.

        I get it. And you do not seem racist to me. It seems that anytime race enters into a conversation, it is assumed that someone is racist. That’s why we can’t have discussions about race in America… unless it’s to condemn the white man. Then it’s not racist.

        BTW, lots of middle easterners are very white. Look at the people in Iran.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        SIR, I AM SO GLAD YOU REPLIED.

        “Deerinwater,” YOU WERE THE ONE WHO TOLD ME ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO I AM FROM THE “Old South.” SIR, YOU WERE CORRECT. WHEN I SOCIALIZE WITH NEGROES, I AM USUALLY THE ONLY ONE WHO IS A HIGH-SCHOOL GRADUATE – NOT TO MENTION, A COLLEGE GRADUATE.

        I AM SURPRISED THERE ARE CAUCASIANS ON THIS SITE WHO ARE OVER SIXTY AND DO NOT KNOW HOW NEGROES OVER SIXTY THINK.

        • Lynnette

          Christopher you are a pink faced WHITE BOY.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH YOUR COMMENTS MEAN TO ME. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITE Personal Libertarians.

        YES – AS A NEGRO REPUBLICAN, I FEEL LIKE AN OUTSIDER. BUT, I WANT CAUCASIAN Personal Libertarians TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE IS LIKE FOR NEGROES LIKE, ME.

        AGAIN “Kate8,” MA’AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

        WITH GREAT SINCERITY,
        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        • Lynnette

          Kate8…If you buy this kid’s crap, you are not as bright as I think you are. Do a search on his name and see what turns up. You will find out that he is a very white pink faced troll who has a good time stirring the pot wherever he goes. He’s on Facebook plain as day, which means he’s really not as bright as he likes to think he is.

      • Karolyn

        Lynette – Do you think there is ony one Christopher Allen Horton in the country? And why would he use his real name if he is a young white boy?

        • Lynnette

          Karolyn, after doing much searching, I was able to find exactly ONE Chris Horton that was black and lived in the Memphis area. Horton is a white name, as is Christopher and Allen. That’s why I think he is a white boy, who is having a terrifically good time making fools of you.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Lynnette,”

        YES – I HAVE MADE MANY COMMENTS ON VARIOUS SITES.

        I FIRST BEGAN COMMENTING ONLINE AS A PRODUCT REVIEWER FOR Amazon.com IN JULY 2011.

        I AM “OLD-SCHOOL.” I PURCHASED MY FIRST COMPUTER IN JUNE 2011. I AM A “LIBRARY-CARD-CATALOG” MAN. TODAY’S CHILDREN MAKE POOR GRADES IN SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY RELY ON COMPUTERS FOR RESEARCH – YET, THEY KNOW NOTHING OF CROSS-REFERENCING.

        “Lynnette,” I AM NOT ASHAMED OF NOT O-N-E WORD I HAVE TYPED ONLINE SINCE JULY 2011.

        A-N-Y-O-N-E IS FREE TO Google MY NAME. I AM NOT ASHAMED OF ANYTHING. A MAN STANDS BY THE THINGS HE SAYS [OR, TYPES].

      • Kate8

        Lynette – As with anyone, I will take Mr. Horton at his word until I have reason or evidence not to.

        It’s not my job to second guess posters. I form an opinion based on things they post. I see no reason to do anything more.

        I haven’t really found anything he’s said to be offensive that I can recall. He’s entitled to his opinion like everyone else. I have no intention of searching out his, or anyone’s, online bios.

      • grannymae1

        Old Henery, A structural engineer was my classifacation when I was working. Now you prove to me that guy was who and what he said he was. You have no proof of that just that he said he was and you believed him ! BS !

    • Randy G

      Don’t ever accuse anyone else as being Racist– YOU should try joining the Human Race.

    • Winddrinker

      CAH, This is an “American Story!”

      Many different colors of Americans died that day….We all suffer when there is corruption in government.

      If I were a cone-headed, radical, I would give you what liberals think is their worst insult …I would call you, “Racist.”

      And, the next time I heard blacks complain, I would tell them to “Have at it” because that is a problem for all you “Black folks.”

      • Old Henry

        Just wait until his dependency checks, provided by the White Folk, stop arriving every month.

      • Gordon

        CAH apparently does not consider himself an American. Thou sayest. He admits that he does not support core American values….. All you hyphenated people out there should consider moving back to your ancestors’ country of origin. Not being hateful, just stating that if you don’t want to be American, then get out and don’t come back.

    • Mikey

      How is it that this racist idiot, with his sticking “caps” button, is almost always the first to respond to these articles? Does anybody know what this fool is saying? He makes little or no sense.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Mikey,

        You write: “How is it that this racist idiot, with his sticking “caps” button, is almost always the first to respond to these articles?” He does not sleep. The articles go live at midnight.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://patriotupdate major

        Mikey I have tried to get people on this site as well as other sites like this one to ignore these Trolls, Liberals whatever you want to call them,they are here just as a diversion so the real issue doesn’t get discussed the conversation is all about them. Please Ignore them and they will go away.

      • Mikey

        Thanks Bob, that explains it. Perhaps his lack of sleep explains some of his strange rants as well.

      • Mikey

        Yes major, there certainly are lots of trolls. How else do you explain these folks, like Robert Smith, Flashy or Doc Jarvis who disagree with everything posted here, and feel the need to try and convince others that we’re wrong. Most of us are Libertarian or at least conservative, and enjoy reading these newsletters. Do they really think they can change our minds? Are they that stupid? They only further the rift between conservative and liberal.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mikey,”

        I AM A “NIGHT PERSON.” “Harold Olsen” AND I SEEM TO BE THE “NIGHT OWLS” ON THIS SITE.

        “Mikey,” CAUCASIANS OFTEN SAY WHAT YOU SAID. REMEMBER, WE WERE BROUGHT HERE AS SLAVES. CAUCASIAN AMERICANS A-S-S-U-M-E NEGROES SUPPORT AMERICA. NEGROES ARE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE THE “BEST” OF A BAD SITUATION BY LIVING HERE.

        “Mikey,” WHY DO YOU THINK Black Entertainment Television [BET] EXISTS? NEGROES LIKE ENTERTAINMENT AND SALACIOUS NEWS. WE WERE COMMENTING THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE EMPTY SEATS AT THE Democratic National Convention. NEGROES DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT – I GUARANTEE, IN THE AVERAGE-NEGRO HOUSEHOLD, TELEVISIONS WERE TUNED TO ENTERTAINMENT PROGRAMMING DURING CONVENTION COVERAGE.

        I REMEMBER AFTER “9/11,” THE MEDIA SAID “America was in mourning;” I DO NOT KNOW ANY NEGROES WHO WERE “in mourning.”

      • Kate8

        Christopher – No doubt. And I know lots of white people who didn’t pay much attention to 9/11, too.

        There are lots of people who don’t get involved in current events. Probably most people, regardless of color. I was amazed at how many people were completely unmoved by the events of that day. Nor did they worry about it later.

      • Winddrinker

        CAH, sounds like you are telling us just what we suspected about many black folks. They are uninformed, blithering idiots and like any other idiots have no business voting unless it is for the next Miss Black America…

        You said it, not me..

        BTW, another of your comments went something like this, “…they are making the best of a bad situation, in this country.”

        WELL THEN, my suggestion is that these idiots should not be hanging around in such a country like ours. I am sure your Negro friends could find a country that would pay all their bills, give them free medical care, free housing, food stamps,free education, pay them to reproduce, and support all their resulting kids. Oh, and lest we not forget that they need to find a country that will put-up with all their B.S., their acting out, their rioting, their gangs, and all their whinning….without throwing them in jail.

        Could you just hurry it up a little, we taxpayers are running out of money.

      • Kate8

        Winddrinker – I understand the point you are making, but in all fairness, it’s the democrats who’ve instilled this sense of helplessness and entitlement in the black population here. They’ve been told from the time the democrats hijacked their votes that they can’t do anything on their own, that they are hopeless without the democrat party to secure benefits for them…affirmative action, etc… and that the Republicans (you know, those evil racists) will keep them in poverty and make them starve.

        This is a worse form of slavery than they had on the plantation. At least there they were able to work for a living, and were, in fact, quite capable of doing so.

        Had they stuck with the Republicans, (had MLK Sr. not sold them out to the democrats), they just might be more prosperous and integrated in our society today.

        Maybe MLK Jr. understood this, and maybe that’s why they took him out.

    • The Resolute Voice

      I hate to break it to you, but a lot of non-white folks were killed that day as well. Does everything have to be a race story these days? How about a “human” story for a change?

    • john

      ….you think sir, that there were no black in that building? what an ASS!!

    • mary beardslee

      The story is Northwoods-when Kennedy was pres. Pentagon went to him wanting to blow up 2 navy ships (with men on board) and a few buidlings in Miami and say it was Cuba-look it up on line came out under infromation act.Do you not remember Cheney was down in White house bunker telling Norad to stand down. While Bushbot was at Booker elemantary school in Sarasota Fl. reading Pet Goat upside down when given the news he already knew.The minute this happened many of us were on our phones-”-Inside Job”Then we go to Iraq because many Americans fell for that story line hook and sinker. It does not matter-repubs or democraps they are all one-taking away our rights using terrorism as their excuse. The terrorists are our goverment. Black and White.

      • churchoffaith

        THANK YOU MARY. I’VE BEEN READING SOME OF THE COMMMENTS AND IT’S VERY SAD TO THINK THAT EVEN WHEN THE PROOF IS RIGHT IN OUR FACES THERE ARE JUST SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN AND RAISED IDIOTS. THE PROOF IS HERE!! FOR THE LAST 60 OR SO YEARS NEEDLESS WARS HAVE BEEN STARTED BY AMERICA ON A MOUTAIN OF LIES. ALL IT TAKES IS A BUNCH OF IDIOTS TO HEAR THE LIES AND IT’S ALL SHE WROTE. I’VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE FOR YEARS ABOUT 911 THRUTH. THESE PEOPLE DIDN’T JUST ACCEPT THE MEDIA AND NEWS PAPER STORIES; THEY RESEARCHED AND CHALLENGED EVERY WORD AND EVERY EXCUSE THAT WAS UTTERED IN THE MEDIA ABOUT 911. THEY DID THEIR RESEARCH AND THORUOGHLY INVESTIGATED THE 911 REPORTS. IT DIDN’T MAKE SENSE TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE COMMOM SENSE. BOTTOM LINE IS; MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE COMMON SENSE. THEY BELIEVE WHATEVER IS HANDED TO THEM BECAUSE IT’S EASIER THAN USING THIER BRAIN TO JUST THINK.

    • david

      Obama could have got us out of the middle east in 2008. Does that make it a black folks story?

    • http://none Charlie

      Horton,,, Honk on Horton ,,, do you mean to tell Me ? you’re not a “honkey” ? Hey! you maybe just the Guy we need to expose the “Treason” of 911,,,since the guy in the WH is also not a honkey … Give it some thought…
      Here’s some visual facts , the twin towers and bldg’ 7 were “demolished” by demolition “EXperts”… The 2 look a like airplanes ,built by gobmint contractors , were drones , loaded with fuel and explosives to disintegrate and disembowel on impact … Now the ,if, and buts and what for ? can be explained by most anyone with Political ,Aviation and Military experience …
      Was 911 an INSIDE controlled event ??? yes, inside USA , Canada, Israel … How do We know the above ? because of Logic ,visual evidence , inside contacts , inside The Bible…
      Now ,IF, Obama exposed these 50 to 100 ,911 Criminals ,that are some where freely spending the money the DAA’s paid them ,,,then Obama would get reelected for sure …
      During the mean time don’t hold your breath ,,,but,,,
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • Mike G

        Charlie, when you know nothing about exolosives I think you should keep your mouth shut about a controlled explosion, I am a Korean Vet. USMC, my job description was “Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician (EOD) my MOS 2336…Do you know what C3, c4. tetryl tetryltol, PETN, torpex, lead azide , murcury fulminate,is ?????I’m surprised that after over 60 years I can remember some of their names, thet are all explosives, with the exception of torpex, I have handled or used all of them , so I consider myself an expert compared to you.. I would suggest to you to contact a demolition company that does controlled explosions and ask how many man hours would be needed to set this all up, plus how many pounds of explosives would be needed, blasting caps , detonating corn, and wiring to do this task. And in the meantime no one would take notice of all this strange equipent going into both buildings, and ithey used plastic exolosive such as c3, that no one would be curious about the strange odor

      • http://none Charlie

        Mike G,,, Well ,,,how about that ? another hero jar head,,,just how old are you sonny? Did I say I was an expert at anything ? and just what is an expert? It reads as you may be knowledgeable of a few Hi tech, Hi speed explosives … How many airplane have you flown, solo or as cp ? how many helicopter can you fly? What do you know about JFK, jr’s airplane crash? what kind of explosive did “They” use to blow the tail off with ? Clue, any
        jar head jerk knows about c-4… So? what’s your point ? did We step on your ego and you
        are venting some grunt technology for some ego stroking by some of us “other” experts…
        Go ahead , I’m listening or reading in this case… But during the mean time ,IF, you have as many years staying healthy and alive as I have ,,,then,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • grannymae1

        Charlie You are sick, sick, sick ! Mike , you know what you are talking about but we are wasting our breath on most of these people. They will believe what they want to believe. And Charlie You think JFK jr. was murdered? You are real sick !

    • http://yahoo Maynard

      Brigadier General Montague Winfield is black. Condoleezza Rice is black. Barry Jennings is black. April Gallop is black. Skin color has nothing to do with it but all four are important personages. The first two contributed to the cover-up. The second two have inadvertently and intentionally tried to expose it, respectively. We know Condi lied as she said “noone had ever dreamed such a thing as suicide hijackers, when in fact one of the numerous secret War Games on 9/11 had just exactly that scenario. April Gallop was urged to come to work before dropping off her tiny baby at his day care. Exactly when she tried to start up her computer, there was a huge explosion. Despite her injuries, she and her injured baby in her arms, escaped through the small hole in the Pentagon. She saw no plane and no passengers. She did smell smoke as given off by explosives. She has been punished for attempting to sue the government for her and her baby’s injuries.
      Winfield gave up his watch command at 8:30 am to Captain Charles Leidig who had never before assumed the duties of overseeing operations for all necessary communications as Watch Commander ofthe National Military Command Center. It was an odd time for Winfield to relinquish the post, just after Fl 11 had already hit the North Tower of The WTC. Leidig may have done his best, but it was not good enough to get jets scrambled from nearby stations. Winfield returned to his post at 10:30. Apparently noone has ever bothered to ask him what he was doing for the two fateful hours when over 3000 died in NY and Washington. It must have been something good, however, as Bush raised his rank two two-star Major General. And Captain Leidig was promoted all the way up to 2-star Navy Admiral. A pretty good pay-off for two hours with ineffective results.

    • Old Henry
    • Attaboyslim

      “A white folks story”? Are you serious? I’ve got to sat that this comment is so irrelevant that ignoring it is the most serious thing to do but as a white man, I feel compelled to make a statement. Sir, I have lived my life, embarrassed by the actions of many whites against blacks throughout history but your comment reveals the truth that a racist can be any color. I loathe racist bigotry and it is from comments like yours that my hatred of that aspect of human nature boils. Racist persons should never be tolerated and a racist of color “must” be included in this list. You should feel shame for making such an embarrassing statement and it is from people, like yourself, that racism has continued to be a part of our society. “Seek the truth and the truth will set you free”.

      • Lynnette

        Attaboyslim….do a search on Christopher’s full name and when you get to Facebook, tell me please what you find.

      • http://none Charlie

        Attaboyslim,,, For you info , God / King Jesus created the “Races”, see that at Genesis 11
        these races were created by “Curses” from God / King Jesus , the people at the tower of Babel were doing their own thing and rejecting God, so their program was rearranged to accomplish His program as called out in The Bible … Anyone that is blessed by God is always superior to others that are “Cursed” by God… But all creations should be treated in accordance with God’s Will ,Laws and Commandments …
        So those that do not know The Bible are going to have problems as most do … So,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • http://yahoo gator

      a white folks story? what the hell is that? what are you, arabic?

      • Lynnette

        Gator….He’s a pink faced white boy jerking your chain.

    • gunner689AI

      Oh, and you’re an AFRICAN american. I guess those blacks who died that day were just collateral damage. you punk; take BO and move to Kenya. We’ll see how long who can live in a mud hut.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “gunner689Al,”

        I DO NOT LIKE THE MONIKER, “African-American.” BECAUSE OF MY INTEREST IN INTELLECTUALISM, I PREFER, “Negro.”

        • Deerinwater

          Good Mr. Horton, because Negro works for me as well. If Negro’s are African Americans then I’m German American while I’ve never be to Germany.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        SIR, THANKS FOR TELLING ME ABOUT YOUR GERMAN HERITAGE. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE SYMBOLISM BETWEEN YOUR MONIKER AND GERMANY. “Deerinwater” BRINGS “Alps” TO MIND.

        • Deerinwater

          hmm? wonderful ! I guess ? Deerinwater is a native American name , I am Comanche/German, a descendant of Cynthia Ann Parker and Herr Von Vinlkstien., call me anything, just call me to dinner.

          Where something comes from is not important, either you see the quality, value and usefulness or you don’t.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        I HEAR YA, “Deerinwater.”

    • http://yahoo Maynard

      Obama has gone along with they myth that Osama did it. Osama denied and condemned 9/11 from the beginning. The video “found” in Afghanistan of him bragging about 9/11 is fake. Al Qaida is an Arabic word meaning “toilet.” Do you think any self-respecting group would name themselves that. Just as the Dem vs. Reps. concept of the world is simplistic, so is the black-white dichotomy. The General that gave up his command for two hours during the WTC attacks,Montague Winfield was black. He got raised to a two-star major general. Condoleezza White got promoted to Secretary of State she did such a great job of lying. She’s black. April Gallop and her baby were injured and got out through the hole in the Pentagon where she saw no evidence of a plane. She too is black. Then we have Barry Jennings a witness to explosions inside Building Seven where he was trapped for several hours before being rescued. He died under mysterious circumstances at age 53 but his interview made right after rescue survives to this day.
      As to Thor’s reasoning that planes took down the WTC. Building Seven was not hit by a plane and videos of it show no serious damage. It was much farther away from the North and South Towers but its damage came from some small fires and the explosions Barry Jennings witnessed. The small fires would have done asymmetric damage and the 42 story building would have fallen over. The videos show it going straight down and it was close to the speed of gravity. That is not going to happen without controlled demolition. Both Brian Jennings and Dan Rather, news anchors, reported it looked just like that. The company that quickly cleared up the debris both at the WTC and at the earlier Oklahoma City Bombings: Controlled Demolition.
      Thor, the difference between a ship going down and a building is that a ship fills up with water when pierced by a torpedo or a plane. That water makes it sink. A plane into a skyscraper may cause fires, but the building does not fill up with water. Many skyscrapers have been burning for hours and the steel structure remains. That is because steels’ melting point is over twice as high as the hydrocarbon fires (such as from jet fuel or natural gas ). That’s why your pans do not melt on the gas stove. The Empire State Building was accidentally hit by a bomber in 1945. It burned but did not come near collapse.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Maynard: How many people do you think were involved in the planning and execution of this ‘conspiracy’? Why have they all remained silent? Isn’t it likely that at least one of them would have had a little too much alcohol and told a buddy, a wife, or a girlfriend?

      • Maynard

        Mike R. It’s an odd thing about human nature. Its called reward or punoshment. If you get to be an Admiral or a Two Star Major General vs. jail time, as happened to Winfield and Leitig, which would you take? If you get to be a war time president, you and your dad mayke huge amounts of money for no-bid war contracts from dad’s investments in the Carlyle Group vs. big time jail time and a reputation ranking right up there with Hitler if the truth becomes well known which would you do: talk or take the money and shut up? Barry Jennings talked and he died of mysterious circumstances at age 53. Bruce Ivins blamed for the anthrax attacks “committed suicide” before even being accused. He was cremated without autopsy. Evidence of how he died – you have to take the government’s word for it true or not. The ashes tell no tales. Family members of the victims were offered money. You can take it if you sign a paper to shut up. Otherwise you get nothing. What would you do?
        In the case of the JFK assassination E. Howard Hunt fessed up when he was on his death bed. Very few paid attention. Did you? His wife was carrying hush money while on a plane to Midway Airport. The plane exploded just before landing. FBI agents were there before the rescue personnel. The money never located.
        People in the know, like Barbara Honegger, an adviser to President Reagan has been trying to explain about the Secret War Games, the fact that White House insiders were secretly taking anti-anthrax antibiotics starting THREE WEEKS BEFORE the first known anthrax threat. People have been programmed not to or are too busy to pay attention.Even though my sister-in-law immediately had her suspicions about the government it was several years later, when I heard for the first time how Building Seven fell at almost the speed of gravity, straight down while turning into fragments and dust,that I started looking into it.
        As Bob Livingston wrote the Securities and Exchange Commission was in Building Seven and many cases of fraud were being investigated. Evidence destroyed. Remember Enron? I was in California when their “rolling blackouts” were scaring customers that their electricity was running out. Proved to be a lie to extract higher rates. Billions of extra profit. Case disappeared with Building Seven. Even the government officials paid to make up cover-up stories could not figure out what to say about Building Seven. Like Bob Livingston said, the lease holder Silverstein said on PBS that the building was pulled. He got over $4 billion for his insurance pay out. The WTC towers were full of that asbestos which by law was going to have to be removed at the cost of billions. Buildings explode no more asbestos problem.
        Huge huge steel girders hurled at such force they traveled hundreds of feet. Some penetrated nearby skyscrapers sticking out like porcupine quills from a dog’s snout. That does not happen from a pancake collapse.
        What about the tiny human bone fragments DNA identified as workers in the WTC? Some were found on top of the Deutsche Bank Building in 2008. The bank is over three hundred feet away and the jet had already passed by it before it hit the tower. So how do you imagine they got there? Only one thing that can fracture and blow bones (the flesh had disappeared from the intervening years of weather and insects) that far: explosions.
        If you look at the WTC buildings as they fell you can see squibs of gases blowing out at REGULAR intervals going all around descending in synchronized fashion. Firemen who survived said they heard the detonating explosions going pop pop, pop all the way around. They are still on videotape telling us about it. Take a look. Since they have been told to shut up or lose their jobs or maybe more. Wouldn’t most of us shut up?
        There was a firefighter who was present when the black box recorders were found. The government has claimed they were never found. He wrote a self-published book describing it. Chances are good we will never see a copy of that book, although thanks to the Internet we can look it up. I think I will do that right after this long answer.
        So, their dual-citizen US-Israeli, Bush insider, co-author with Condolleeza Rice, executive director Philip Zelikow leaves it out of the investigation and report. They spent less time and money on the “Investigation” than the Monic Lewinsky scandal. After all they wanted us know the bad about Clinton but not the bad about Bush. That would have interfered with their increase of opium poppy production in Afghanistan and their war-profiteering and their snapping up of Iraq’s state owned oil companies.
        Mike G. you sound like you know a lot about military explosives and such. Have you heard about thermate and thermite? That can burn a hole in steel beams quick as a wink, or at least a good belch. There are tapes of it burning right through an engine block on the internet. Did you see the photos of firemen standing in front of smoldering debris with huge columns behind them with the rehardened steel on them like candle wax after you’ve been burning it and let it go out? Did you see how they were at an angle. This is so they make the building “walk” in that direction. If you were just removing the beams they would have cut them straight across to save time and money and effort. Straight around is a shorter distance
        Did you hear about how hot the rubble pile was for weeks after? It was still hotter than hydrocarbon fires ever get at their max. Why? Because thermate in the chemicals used in the reaction have their own oxygen and do not need it from the air.
        Did you hear how the Brigham Young professor got forced into retirement (Steve Jones) because he wouldn’t stop writing peer reviewed scientific papers about the thermate. And about how little tiny molten metal spheres were found in the dust all over Manhatten. They were moten iron or steel from the girders.
        Did you hear how Giulliani had all the metal quickly packed up and sent to China before the crime scene had even been thoroughly analyzed. He also bought the site where the first anthrax victim contracted the disease in Boca Raton, FL. That victim’s claim to notoriety. As a photo publisher he had published a photo of Jenna Bush, drunk and
        sitting on another girl’s lap. Who do you think might have been awful angry about that picture? Bruce Ivins the scapegoat? No. There is no known connection whatsoever
        Got more questions. I will help you research them. Then let’s get others to do the same.
        .

        • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

          Maynard: Very well done.

    • Maynard

      Thor. Your analogy of ships in water is totally irrelevant to skyscrapers on land. The Empire State Building was hit by a bomber in 1945. It is still standing. A hole in a ship allows water to go in. A hole in a skyscraper allows air to go in. Here is a list of evidence that the WTC Towers fell from explosions and controlled demolition.
      First, Building Seven was NOT hit by a plane. Videos of it going down show a symettrical collapse at near the speed of gravity, just as in controlled demolition, not as in a structural collapse.
      Hydrocarbon fires in a an open environment for short duration (They were basically out in less than twenty minutes) do NOT get hot enough to melt steel. The Windsor Building in Madrid burned for many hours and the steel structure remained standing.
      Third, videos, eye-witnesses including first responders, and the extreme heat in the debris pile all indicated explosives. The videos show squibs at regular intervals proceeding in a descending synchronised pattern. They show concrete pulverized in mid-air not from impact, they show cast off steel beams and girders thrown violently over five hundred feet some of which then protruded from surrounding structures like porcupine quills from a hounddogs snout, and photos of fire fighters standing in front of huge stumps of columns cut on the diagonal as is done to get the building to “walk” as it enhances collapse. Firemen are on tape as seeing and hearing explosions going pow, pow, pow all the way around. For months the debris pile emitted higher heat than hydrocarbon ever gets from beneath the debris pile. A normally induced fire would go out from lack of oxygen. This heat was because the chemical reaction thermate is made up, of carries its own source of oxygen.
      Kroll Associates, the CIA of Wall Street, was in charge of security. Through the elevator shafts and whole vacated floors, they could install the destructive devices. Furthermore, Scott Forbes reported that there were workmen coming and going the weekend before 9/11. Security cameras off doors unliked. There was a power down and they were supposed to be doing cable upgrades. He notified the authorities repeatedly but was ignored.
      The bomb-sniffing dogs details were abruptly removed on the Thursday before 9/11.
      Jim Pierce, the president’s cousin and Larry Silverstein and his two adult children all worked at the WTC. None of them showed up for work that day.
      Jeb Bush signed martial law for Florida the Friday before 9/11.
      As Bob Livingston pointed out the day after Rumsfeld announced $2,3 missing at the Pentagon where does the jet allegedly hit? Right where the accountants and records were.
      Thor, you seem to know a lot about war. Do you believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam was real or a false flag?

    • Feargy852

      In response to Thors comments !! You can list off all the type of boats you choose however regardless of what a ship is constructed of one thing is for certain, it cannot float with a huge hole in its hull. On the other hand the twin towers were designed to withstand multiple hits from aircraft. Also bringing all the necessary armaments into the building was an easy thing to achieve !! Ask yourself what security firm had the security contract on the twin towers ? It was an ISRAELI company. The most important factor/point you fail to understand is that skyscrapers do not fall in the manner that the twin towers fell under normal circumstances i.e buildings cannot free fall naturally, it is not possible under the laws of physics !! Any school kid doing elementary science can tell you that !!

  • KG

    I don’t think anybody before 1990 saw the entire Zapruder film from Kennedy’s assassination. How could a shot from the back cause him to slump back? I remember that anytime you saw that film they would always stop right before the head shot. I know it was probably out of “sensitivity of the public.” But when you see that backwards motion, you know he was shot from the front. However, for some reason, Oswald shot Kennedy in the back and Kennedy flew back. If you can see that with your own eyes and still “The Powers That Be” can convince anyone otherwise, we know we are dealing with something greater than the sum of its parts. However, we need to ask who would “benefit” and who would “lose” from these actions. My Dad is convinced that Nixon had something to do with Kennedy. Which wouldn’t surprise me.

    My “bogey” man is the Republicans. It was Republicans who wrote up the script we have followed since 9-11. The plan to invade Iraq was written YEARS before. And the only people in place to execute this script were either Republicans left over from Regan’s administration and Mormons who were working at the Pentagon as well as the NSA and CIA.

    Romney is a Republican AND a Mormon. He is “the Beast.” I remember telling some coworkers when Bush was running. They said that they were tired of paying “taxes.” I said “…if Bush gets elected we are going to have another Great Depression. It took 8 years but it finally happened.

    We have lost our revolutionary spirit in America. It’s the “elites” our forefathers fought against. And it’s these “elites’ who have been lying to you about Abortion for the last 30+ years. Because THEY know how decisive an issue it is. However, the LAST thing they want to do is STOP THEIR BIGGEST ISSUE. And that is *truly* evil. To allow something you personally think is evil just so you can have an issue is MORE evil that the evil being perpetrated. Just remember, Karl Rove is an admitted Atheist as well as Ayn Rand. And they follow Maciavellis main lesson “…the ends justify the Means.”

    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      KG,
      Are you really still trying to turn 911 into a Dem/Rep issue?? If you must then obviously you know that Obama has done ZERO to hinder the globalist’s agenda and MUCH to assure it’s continuance, right? Holy crap! There are millions of Americans waking up to the fact that the left/right hoax is an INTENTIONAL distraction! Please join us! If you insist on this falsehood then I’m just going to keep pounding you with this stuff…….
      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/topsecretamerica/top-cia-official-obama-changed-virtually-none-of-bushs-controversial-programs/

      • KG

        When Obama won the Presidential election in 2008, I was in tears. I really thought a “real” person was our President. Not since Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton did I feel a real person was there.

        However, the position of “President of the United States” is a very special place in the world. I recall the movie “The Last Emperor.” The Emperor of all of China couldn’t even leave the Palace on his own. All of the “Emperors” court did all the real policy making.

        Believe me, I thought all the stuff about UFO’s and Area 51 would be opened to everyone. I cut Mr. Obama a lot of slack – at least he had the balls to not only kill Osama, but Quodafy too. I know Regan is turning over in his grave over that one.

        And when you have a “house of representatives” in total rebellion against the President, that is ON PURPOSE jeopardizing OUR ECONOMY for POLITICAL EFFECT, you have to really think about that statement – “They are all alike.” I don’t know what you think, but to me, there is a clear choice between Democrat and Republican.

      • Kate8

        Boy, are you people delusional.

        There are no democrats or republicans among the elite. They use party affiliations because you have to in DC, in order to be part of the game sold to the people. But they are loyal to no one, no country, no party…only their wealth and power.

        How do you explain that there are just as many Leftist elite as there are Rightwing? In fact, some of the wealthiest are Democrats. The elite globalist banksters fund both parties, just like the fund both sides of all wars.

        The Clintons are, and always have been, part of the NWO. That you people still swoon after that derelect is beyond ludicrous. Obama has become wealthy beyond he and Moosie’s wildest dreams while in the WH…, money he’s stolen from US…, and it’s all for playing his part for the NWO. None of these people deserve our respect. They are all bought and paid for by those who are enslaving us.

        Boy, are you Lefties slow. Many conservatives have already figured this out. But then, we have a higher power to look to. For Lefties, government is as high as it gets, so I guess if you were to see them for who they really are…

      • Patriot-Research

        KG, One, you are liberal/Obama/Communist TROLL and now Lets look at the facts, Obama has a fake BC, is using a stolen SSN#, is a Muslim, Belonged to a Communist Party Group in in the early 1990, and on and on it goes! The real thing about Obama is the he is not REAL…!!! Obama is a Communist/Muslim plant in this Country and anyone that follows him is either dumber than a box of rocks, on his team getting part of his Communist action, or is just plain EVIL…!!!

      • KG

        I’m sorry kate8, but the delusion rests with you. Do you really think “God” is on your side? I guess you have contempt for “Liberals” because they are going to hell. So, why even bother?

        Do you really think Paul Ryan is really on “Gods” side? When the Woman he worships thought “…Christianity was the HIGHEST FORM OF ‘LOOTER VALUES.’

        Ya know, I keep forgetting just a few years ago when Conservative Christians in America thought the Catholics were part of “The end time conspiracy.” We know that they always hated the Jews for killing Jesus, but, somehow, Modern American Christianity has allied itself with group it considered “evil.” Now it is a far reach to conclude that the “religious Right” are the real evil ones? It’s not the Gays or the “liberals” that are destroying America, but those evil “greedy, old white guys” in business suits.

      • Kate8

        KG – This is exactly what I’m talking about. Where did you see me defend Republicans?

        THEY ARE ALL PART OF IT. What part of that do you not understand?

        Sheesh. Just keep clinging to your treasonous leaders if that is what you must do. But until you figure it out, you will continue to be a part of the problem, and continue to perpetuate it.

        Sad.

        • Lynnette

          Why is it that everyone keeps drawing lines of distinction? There is NO two party government in this country. There is only ONE government. They are TWO sides to the SAME coin. Those in power will wear whatever guise they must to achieve their agenda. We are but pawns in the game that is being played. We are cannon fodder on which they will tread. BTW, your dissenting trolls here are probably government agents keeping tabs on the riff raff.

      • Old Henry

        No KG, God is not “on our side”. We are on God’s side. His followers, His proponents.

        Kate is correct. The dems and repubs are peas in a pod. It is al smoke and mirrors.

        Better take Rev’s advice. You have been heavily prapagandized.

      • KG

        I know which side my bread is buttered on. And the Republicans want you to think that there is no difference so they can USE YOU. Do you like being used like a prostitute? Then continue believing the Republicans. Remember, it was a Republican who created the largest government agency in our history. And that’s from a group who supposedly supports “smaller Government.” However, the “smaller government” usually meant less for working folks and more for the elite “bourgeois” class.

      • Anthony

        “Not since Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton did I feel a real person was there. ”

        HA!, HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA!

        That sentence sets the tone for the whole message. Obviously, a more serious reply is not warranted.

        HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA!

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Why do you have to bring a higher power into this and say that leftists do not have one? That is ludicrous! You don’t know any spiritual liberals? Just reinforcing the “us agains them” rationale.

      • Kate8

        karolyn – Of course SOME liberals believe in a higher power. Heck, there are plenty of apostate Christian churchs, and then, of course, we have Muslims…and all of these people do vote democrat. Oh, and let’s not forget our long and ever-suffering Jewish brethren.

        However, is is the DEMOCRATS who keep passing laws excluding God from EVERYTHING. As if God has no place in our lives. As if He is separate from everything else. HE IS EVERYTHING.

        It is democrats which continue to promote and legislate things which sould be personal choices, but now carry the weight of “law”. Things which are specifically condemned in many religions.

        There is no doubt that the Left is the party to which it’s been given the work of eliminating God from everything, and to silence Christianity. Well, guess what. Islam condemns those things, too, but you guys defend THEM.

        Belief in a just God is the only thing standing between the NWO and absolute corruption of the people, to which they could then demand (and get) complete subjugation. This is why they MUST villify and eliminate it.

        Belief in a higher power which condones all manner of perverse behavior and enslavement is the NWO’s dream. Many of you have bought it. These are the days in which “men would not endure sound doctrine” and “that which is good is called evil, and that which is evil is called good”.

        Poo poo Scriptures. But they have been right on the mark the whole way.

      • Kate8

        Oh, and btw, Karolyn. The Left’s most cherished sacrament…ABORTION, is not about “choice” at all. It’s a necessary step leading to MANDATORY slaughter of our unborn and recently-born.

        Being short-sighted and uninformed, you won’t see this. But it’s documented, has always been the case, and you will soon see it as fact. Of course, you will come to accept this as okay, too, no doubt.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        KG says: When Obama won the Presidential election in 2008, I was in tears. I really thought a “real” person was our President.

        Do you still think that?

      • KG

        Um, i would like to humbly assert a concept that one of our founding fathers thought especially important in light of what it produced in medieval Europe. Namely the “…wall of separation between church and state.” There is supposed to be no religious test for the office of president. Unlike in Iran, where you have to be a certain religion to be considered for president.

        All of you religious types who want to stop Abortion should become Muslims so you can establish your religious christian “caliphate.”

        I want to know, if Democrats are so evil, then why do Abortions go DOWN during Democrat presidents and go UP under Republican presidents? When Regan was in office, the LAST thing I wanted to do was knock some chick that I couldn’t support. But when I got my good paying UNION job under Clinton, I wasn’t afraid to have children. Economic opportunity has more to do with Abortion than anything Moral.

      • Attaboyslim

        Please people, this discussion was not meant to be about your personal viewpoints on political affiliation or choosing sides over abortion but about the events of September 11, 2001.If you really must be involved in a proverbial “pissing contest” over which party is the most evil, try and remember this one very important item. All, that is correct, every single person, save one, throughout the entire history of the United States is a relative to all the rest. Yup, Obama is related to Clinton to Bush and all the way back it goes. The genealogy charts do not lie and reveal the fact that they are all cousins and every last one of them can trace their roots back to the ancient ruling elites of antiquity. The odds of that happening by chance or by voters choice is mind numbingly improbable. “Seek the truth and the truth will set you free”.

      • KG

        ataboyslim : like 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon? So Barbra Bush is still the “lovechild” of Alester Crowley?

    • D A Y

      I BET YOU SLEEP UNDER YOUR BED TOO… WHAT A NUT CASE….

      • BOOKER T

        YOUR RIGHT, THE GOVERNMENT IS A NUT CASE.

      • http://yahoo marc lizotte

        Yup DAY , he`s a socialist in the making !

      • Maynard

        Calling people names and questioning where they sleep is off topic. Attaboyslim. I agree that this is not about which party is better. Nor is it about geneology. We are al 98% the same as chimps and bonobos. So what? The fact is Bob Livingston has produced a lot of facts and evidence about 9/11 and now I want to point out some of the facts and evidence about the closely related false flag, the anthrax attacks.
        White House insiders, we have learned, SECRETLY started taking anti-anthrax antibiotics, which can have risky side effects, three weeks before the first known threat.
        The first victim, Robert Stevens of Boca Raton, Fl was a photo publisher. His most notorious photo was of Jenna Bush, the president’s daughter, sittting, drunk, on another girl’s lap. There is no known connection between Stevens and the eventual scapegoat, Bruce Ivins. In 2008 Ivins, despite not having been accused, supposedly committed suicide. Yet, his body was not autopsied. It was quickly cremated. Ivins lacked the necessary equipment to perform the screening of the anthrax into a fine powder which would readily disperse the anthrax into the air when the envelopes were opened. If he had tried to do it without this specialized equipment he would have contaminated himself and his lab. Giulianni bought the site where Stevens was infected and had it decontaminated. Why?
        Other letters were sent to leading broadcasters and Democrats. NO REPUBLICANS. This served as a form of intimidation. Would you want to dissent and then get a nice anthrax laced letter?
        The letters were made to look as if they were from a Muslim terrorist group but they were obviously faked. The expressions used and the way they were written showed this. It was stated by McCain and Jerome Hauer, that they probably originated from Saddam Hussein but after the anger in the public had been created, and the attacks launched, it eventually became known that they were from US bioweapons labs right here in the good old peace loving US.
        Wake up Americans, just like Hitler’s Reichstag Fire and his faked Polish attack on Germany, WE HAVE BEEN DUPED. This condition can be rectified. Open your eyes and your minds.

    • Feargy852

      In relation to KG’s comments above; Just as the operation to invade Iraq was written some years before the actual event, so too was the plot/operation to fly airliners into buildings/structures on American soil. This proposal was put forward to President Kennedy by the then joint chiefs of staff so as to gain support and backing from the American public to initiate an all out act of war on Cuba. The proposal in question was named ‘Operation Greenwood’ and President Kennedy vetoed it outright ! This was but one event that marked the end for the President, the withdrawal of troops from Vietnam been but another. So good people, if such an operation could be conceived back in the early 60′s then is it really a stretch of the imagination to think that 9/11 was not an inside job ??

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      Wow, a nut job born every minute?

    • TIME

      Dear KG,

      Your post is very well thought out, in fact is quite valid with the way your evidence crosslink’s .
      Well done please do keep up the GREAT work!

      Peace and Love

    • Randy G

      Not to mentiopn that after Kennedy was hit by the first shot, the Govenor was still moving around- not acting like a man shot yet The “Magic Bullet” would not exsist if a bystander hadn’t been hit by a ricochet.

    • JimboNC

      One wonders why people, like the Bushs and others in government, conspire to bring about these falsehoods, knowing that by the time success is achieved it is too late for them to benefit in a meaningful way? Is it really that important to profit billions of $$ so they can hobnob with the lowest of the low in Basel? The one thing I get from the article is that most American whites lose their faith as they get older and, in the end, regret how they lived their lives. This gives meaning to—Live each day as if it is your last.

      • KG

        JimboNC, you are right on! We have to stop pretending to be Puritans, and enjoy our lives.

      • Old Henry

        JimboNC:

        The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Satan roams the world like a roaring lion.

        As I look back I remember how Shrub seemed to be a religous man, but I guess we do not know who he was really praying to.

      • Maynard

        You don’t think the Bush’s have benefited? Why have they been running the presidency since Nixon,with the exceptions of Carter and Clinton. But Clinton was cooperating with them as has Obama and will Romney if he gets in.

    • boyscout

      Great theory for a small imagination. Think bigger; dig deeper. There was one on-the spot news release shown only once that showed the crowd on the grass on the inside curve startled by and moving away from the direction of fire. Within seconds their response was in the opposite direction as they reacted to shots from another direction and they began to hit the dirt helter-skelter in confusion. HS class was shut down and a school TV covering the events offered this single glimpse: we were released early so I went home and waited to share this footage with family. That never occurred. Take my word or no, I have nothing to site but an indelible personal memory. Conspiracies DO happen.

      Follow the money; follow the reach of power; follow the history that followed. Mr. Livingston’s appraisal of the 911 building collapses is spot on. Again, follow the money; follow the reach of power; follow the history that followed. Whose theory is most credible ?

      • boyscout

        As a secondary note: of all the people on the inside curve mentioned, none survive. Within just a few years there were an amazing number of auto accidents, heart attacks, and sundry misfortunes that took their lives. As Johnson took the reins after our commitment to the Vietnam war intensified and the M/I prospered.

    • Old Henry

      Check out this link. The video runs about 25 minutes and explains who killed JFK, why and who benefitted.

      http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/assassination-studies-1/the-american-coup—1963.html

    • http://yahoo Maynard

      The JFK autopsy shows a drawing of a small entry hole in the back of his skull. However, the Parkland doctors all gesured to the back of their heads to show that their was a large opening in that area with brain matter coming out. In fact a piece, of the occipital region was retrieved by a motor cycle policemat who was covered by the blood and brain blowback. Jackie Kennedy was instinctively trying to retrieve portions of JFK’s skull and brain when she crawled on the back of the limo. Almost one hundred onlookers raced to the grassy knoll, which has been made so much fun of, because they and Senator Ralph Yarborough all heard and saw and smelled smoke coming from behind the stockade fence.
      It is not a Republican or a Democrat thing, because both sides have sought power through collusion. Why do you think NDAA 2012 and the $68 billion for drone missiles is bipartisan? Why do you think they both blamed bin Laden when it is obvious that the man in the video we claimed was of him that we “found”in Afghanistan is an imposter. Look at their faces side by side on images of bin Laden. You will see for yourself. It was a master political stroke for the Democrats to claim they got him in Pakistan although is is reported that his kidney failure was so bad in the early part of this millenium that he could not have survived without dialysis. The man watching bin Laden on TV was supposed to be bin Laden. NOT!!!!!
      According to LBJ’s mistress’s comments on video, many important men including both Nixon and LBJ were present at a meeting the night before JFK was killed. She said that Lyndon told her he would not have to be embarassed by those &%%*^$#$#$ Kennedys after that weekend. You can find her interviews on You-tube. There were two important men who claimed they did not remember where they were when Kennedy died: Nixon and GHW Bush. Both were in Texas although the next day a Hoover memo shows Bush was in his office. Bush claimed it was a different man with the same name, Right!

    • http://yahoo gator

      oswald never fired a shot, and ruby shut him up.

    • Feargy852

      Hello kAY, You raised possibly the most important question of all in your comments !! ‘Who had the most to gain ‘ ?? This I would ask you to apply to the 9/11 events !! There is only one answer believe it or not !! ISRAEL had everything to gain from this atrocity, in fact they are the only country who had anything to gain.

  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    I really hope nobody comes to this thread to try and support the “official story” on 911. Actually, I home some do so we can take a sip of the cointelpro’s version, swish it around a little and spit it out onto the table, or maybe through my nose from laughing so hard! :)

    • TIME

      Dear RMWC,

      Saddly the sheep are really very common in this vast pasture we may note as the 50 states. After all they have their heads stuffed for hours daily in the “PROGRAMING TUBE” so the question is really: what can one expect to produce from such mindless ignorance.

      This massive wave of ignorance will grow to levels that will soon push the apple cart off the cliff.
      Many millions of us who can see and read between the lines, feel this fateful event is NOW long past due.

      When one looks at the average IQ level of a person who has been “INDOCTRINATED” within the noted “American education system” one need not ask what the future holds.
      Thus these freaks of nature are “Indoctrinated” to the “Doctrin’s” prescribed by the Rulers they so idolze, Thus that last push in our decline is quite imminent NOW.

      At one point in TIME I had a solid hope of a “Great Awakening” that would unfold world wide. But – saddly that will not come to pass, thus we will repeat the same path that has come before at least twice.

      Divide and Conquer, saddly thats been done with such elegance its really a thing of beauty.

      Peace and LOVE

      • Kate8

        TIME – Well, I’m not quite ready to throw in the towel.

        Actually, TIME, I’ve been feeling really positive the past couple of days. No explanation, because on the surface things look pretty bleak. It just comes from inside.

        Perhaps there really are cosmic events unfolding which are beyond our ability to hinder. We know that these elite psychopaths will meet their just rewards eventually. Maybe sooner than later. God promises protection and redemption for those who love Him. Maybe all we need to do is trust that.

        BTW, I read a story of a military man who was called to jury duty, and he told the judge he cannot serve because all active duty is being placed on alert for the next three weeks.

        It seems that something big is expected sometime Sept – end of Nov. The question is, WHAT IS IT? And is it a good thing or a catastrophic thing?

        Or maybe it depends on your point of view.

      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        I have not quite tossed in the white cloth just yet.

        But I have come to the understanding that vast numbers of Americans are truly in a “”very {deep / deep – sleep.}””

        Saddly the Dogman’s and Doctrines that have been filled into the minds of persons with higher education have saddly all but turned a lot of these folks into mindless sheep who totaly “IN-Doctrinated” making them like Gumby.
        I could be insulting Gumby with that statment, please forgive me Gumby.

        There is always a strong possibility that many more will Awake, we can HOPE for the best / but plan for what ever may unfold.

        On the note you had about the {creepy clock} I still have come up with nothing, but as you know “TIME & Numbers” have great value to many of these Mystery types, saddly I just don’t have all the intel they have.

        Peace and LOVE

      • Kate8

        TIME – http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2012/09/illuminati-countdown-clock-decoded-urgent-2444504.html

        Quite fascinating, too. Wonder if anything came of it. We wouldn’t necessarily hear about it. You’ll be amazed at the correlations of this and other events leading up to it, such as Aurora.

        I did hear an “opposition” spokesperson mention it yesterday. Apparently lots of people were aware of it and on guard. This is why it is absolutely that things like this are exposed ahead of time. Many terrible plans have been neutralized because the info got out. One was a plan to blow up Hoover Dam last year. The right person in the military got wind of it and set defensive plans in motion.

        Each time a disaster is announced…and averted… it’s a WIN for the A-Team!

        Keep the faith, brother. We’ll emerge better for it.

        Blessings.

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  • Tagaler70

    No thinking human can watch Building 7 collapse or view Kennedy being thrown backward and really believe the official government stories.

    • trw

      i agree with one thing that building was imploded i have seen building imploded before and that building was imploded and there is noway that building would come completely down with just a plane hitting them up high the way they did

      • Winddrinker

        On a movie set in Montana, I saw a huge, vacant building brought down by demolition.
        It imploded upon itself, exactly as did the towers. When I was watching the towers implode, It brought to mind what I saw in Montana…

        Then, it was explained that the heat from the fuel burned so hot that it melted the steel in the building…causing the building to melt within itself. Was there that much fuel carried on those planes. Was it so much fuel that it could melt all the steel girders in these buildings?

      • JF

        trw, Building 7 was not hit by a plane. But it is true what you said about the other two.

      • Old Henry

        And melt them all at the same instant in time?

      • Gordon

        Winddrinker, 30,000+ gallons of jet fuel makes a pretty big chimney fire.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        How do you explain the collapse of tower7, Gordon? No jet fuel burning there, yet it collapsed like a controlled demolition. I’ll understand if you choose not to answer…

        • John Illinois

          At about 800 degrees F, steel looses it’s tensile strength, and bends quite easily. I don’t recall the exact temperature jet fuel in open air burns at, but the number 2,300 sticks in my mind. The way the World Trade Centers were built, there were elevator shafts in the center. Enough jet fuel to fly all the way across the USA went down those shafts, and since the engines were still running when the tanks were sheared off, all of that fuel was available to burn. Given the chimney effect of what 80 floors?, that was like super charging the flames, making it burn just that much hotter. When you take out the center supports, but leave the outside ones, of course it is going to go down the center.

      • Gordon

        John Illinois, at least that is 2 of us. LOL

      • Gordon

        Jay. Maybe the wind rushing to the other fire sucked the bottom out of it.

      • Gordon

        trw, corrrect= yes it did. The inner columns were weakened by the massive blast furnace fire and the multiple collapsing concrete floors pushed it right on down. The ever increasing weight/mass of the falling floors impacting the subsequently lower floors drove the whole center section down just like a massive fence post driver. The outer structure staying intact guiding the mass straight down… just like in a planned demolition.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        I have seen NO evidence presented that shows any proof that the elevator shafts, stairways, and any other service shafts in the WTC was “filled” with burning jet fuel.

    • Old Henry

      Ever wonder why the Warren Commission locked up all the evidence for, what was it, 75 years?

      Like the fraud camping in OUR White House, if there is nothing to hide…. why hide it?

      • Gordon

        Actually NO. But I sure would like to know what exactly they are hiding. Maybe I’ll live until 2040 to find out…….. if I really care about it then. LOL

  • JC

    “The Bush regime came into office itching to make war in the Mideast. The neocon wing of Republican Party advocated a stronger military and an aggressive Israel policy and needed “a new Pearl Harbor” to bring it about. The main reasons were two-fold: oil (corporatists for years had been striving for a stable Afghanistan in order to run a pipeline from the Caspian Sea region across Pakistan and Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean) and justification for passage of totalitarian, liberty-stealing legislation that would become known as the USA Patriot Act (the bones of which were assembled by then-Senator, now-Vice President Joe Biden in the 1990s) and help to usher in pappy Bush’s “New World Order.”

    +

    “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
    ~ Hermann Goering

    = 911, the “official story”

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Nice, JC.
      :)

      God Bless.

    • TIME

      Dear JC,

      DITTO!

      Peace and LOVE

    • Kate8

      JC – Double ditto.

    • JC

      What’s truly frightening about this is that we should all realize by now that the global elites don’t stop at just wiping out a family, or a religious group with impunity…but that they will indiscriminately wipe us out by the thousands if it suits their goals.
      We’re not people to them, we’re cattle.
      Accept for that pesky Second Amendment that is… ;-)

      • Kate8

        Jay – They don’t want to wipe us out by the thousands. They want to wipe us out by the BILLIONS.

  • Chris Condon

    The 9/11 Truth movement is coming on fast! There is no question that the official version of 9/11 is wrong. I have a friend who retired from the US Army with the rank of 2 star general. He has a background in photo analysis and interpretation. He tells me that he has studied the Pentagon crash extensively and is adamant that no airplane ever hit the Pentagon. What happened to the plane that carried Barbara Olson and other passengers? Well, it never hit the Pentagon. Just what did happen to it remains a mystery. Perhaps Barbara Olson is still alive somewhere.

    • R. Ghozzi

      This is the most probable statement and reply to the question: Is 9/11 a conspiracy? 99% of the World population believes it to be the “Conspiracy of the century” – exactly as the lie of Iraq weapons of mass destruction – and the cause of many World conflicts and futile Wars that killed millions and left millions homeless, launched and orchestrated by Bush, Blair and underground secret financiers.

      • Gordon

        So you are convinced that their were NO, NONE, WMDs in Iraq? How much Iraqui sand did you get into your boots?Your body should have been there to see what we did find furried in the sand. There’s thousands of square miles of desert that schtuff is burried in, not to mention the stuff that went to Syria by truck just days before the invasion. Intelligence told the story, and Liberals/Democrats agreed with the intelligence information. Now youze all want to blame it on Bush. tsk tsk tsk.

      • Karolyn

        99% of the world population think it was a conspiracy? Where did that come from?

      • Gordon

        nobody accused the human race of being rational

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Of course there were weapons of mass destruction, Gordon. Everybody has them, US included. So what’s your point?

      • Mike G

        99% of what?? liberals?? your still playing the blame the Bush game just like Pinocchio is still doing in the White House. And God help us if he gets re-elected, I guarantee you as he fails in his second term he will still be blaming Bush.
        And FYI when inspectors were sent into Iraq to look for WMD’s they were NOT pemitted to enter any palaces. After he they kicked all of the inpectors out, he let them back in a few months later, and allowed them to enter palaces for inspection, what a coincidence, of course we found nothing there, he had months to bury, evidence of WMD’s, or sent them off to Iran, or Sytia, how blind are you??

      • Gordon

        Karolyn, support your facts about that 99 percent…….come on now, show us your reasoning.

    • Gordon

      Really? So the conspiracy theory includes tossing jet engines and landing gear into the Pentagon court yard? mmmmm, I have videos of the original news releases. But of course, those news footage was a conspiracy because those engines and wheels weren’t there, were they?

      • Lynnette

        Do you really? Good. Post them on Youtube for all to see. Otherwise you are lying through your teeth.

      • Gordon

        they used to be. One thing I did that morning was plug 6 hr tapes into the machine and let em run… and tried to keep it full.. a bunch of tapes.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        So what you’re saying is; you have nothing to back-up your claim…?

      • Gordon

        OK Bevis, google it= engines and landing gear found at Pentagon…… or start here just for fun, there’s lots of links.

        http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

        No doubt many will say these are fabricated lies. So who cares?

      • Gordon

        Someone that adamant about “facts” and choosing to call people liars, should have ALREADY examined well published information regarding those conspiracy theories. It seems to me that youz trolls are just here showing your ++++++.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      You mentioned a friend who was high in the military. Did you see there’s a group who call themselves something like the Military for 9/11 Truth? Many of the actual higher ups involved in the War Games and Norad received very high promotions. Pretty good considering they put up almost no defense. When the golfer, Payne Stewart, was in that private jet, the Air Force was right on his tail until the plane ran out of fuel.
      Gordon, did you respond to any of the comments that Building Seven was not hit by a plane and yet fell symmetrically at almost the speed of gravity? The video does not show large fires and the reporter for the BBC, Jane Standley, was on site and announcing it was already down about twenty minutes BEFORE it had actually collapsed. Besides the SEC, the Secret Service, the FBI, The Mayors Office of Emergency Preparedness, the CIA, many insurance and bank offices were in there. NIST (the National Institute of Standards and Safety) reported that the oil tank underground was NOT exploded and still had 20 of 23 thousand gallons of oil left.
      There were two men who arrived at the Mayor’s meeting on the 23rd Floor late. One man was named Hess and the other Barry Jennings. When they arrived at the meeting the room was empty and there were still hot cups of coffee and sandwiches on the tables. They tried to leave by the elevators but they were no longer working so they took a stairs. They got down to almost the sixth floor landing and there was a big explosion and the stairs broke loose. They had to go back up to the eighth floor where they were able to break out a window. Eventually, a man down on the street got the firemen up to rescue them and lead them out. Jennings claimed he had heard numerous explosions while he was waiting for rescue. He also said the firemen told him not to look down and he had a feeling he was stepping over dead people. He was immediately interviewed after getting out.; He asked that the tape be held because he was told not to divulge anything. Later, he made a tape for the BBC that somewhat contradicted what he had originally said so the people who had first taped him put his taped interview on the Internet where you can see it. The odd thing is that he died when he was 53 and his family refused to answer questions. A private investigator was hired by the same people who did the first tape and the p.i. quit saying he was afraid to continue. That’s all I know.
      Have any of you mentioned the WTC bombing of 1993? There was a double agent working for the FBI whose last name was Salem. He had worked for the Egyptian Army. He was the contact with the extremist Muslims. The FBI gave Salem real explosives to give the extremists. Salem couldn’t believe they would do this and he taped both groups. After the explosion did a lot of damage and killed five or six people, Salem reported what the FBI had done and it was printed in the New York Times. The FBI was never punished and it faded into the background.
      Then there was the Oklahoma City Bombing. I have read reports that all that damage could not have been done from outside. A ballistic expert said its force would have diminished the farther from the truck bomb and it would not have knocked down the interior columns that were taken out. In fact, it’s on youtube that local news crews filmed bomb squads taking out unexploded bombs from inside several times, but they were soon hushed up about it. The cleanup crew at Oklahoma City and the WTC was the same company, named Controlled Demolition.

  • John Illinois

    I have no argument with the idea that the government lies to us, but do you realize the amount of preparation it takes to set up a building for demolition? You just do not send a few guys in a couple hours ahead of the event to set it up. It takes at least weeks. It is messy. I just cannot believe that all of the building maintenece personel didn’t ask “hey pal, just what do you think you are you doing?”.

    • deerinwater

      Correct John, ~ Security on these two buildings was tighter then normal due impart to previous attempts to take her down.

      It happened just as everyone witnessed it happened. The JP4 fueled the flames that soften the superstructure enough there her own weight took her down.

      It’s not unrealistic to believe that other conspirators who have yet to be identified was involved.

      As for myself, I see this as an attack directed to the heart of the American Jew and all of their supporters and defenders.

      I accepted it as an a personal attack on me and my countrymen delivered by the hand of extremist from the Muslim World to display their displeasure in American interest activities in their nations bounties that brought about change and the power struggle associated with huge amounts of money being pumped into their realm of the world.

      It was a cowardly act of extremest that would launch such an attack, men that had lost hope for themselves and in their world , found void of moral compass consumed by the fire of hate.

      • http://yahoo Maynard

        Thank you Bob Livingston. It takes courage to contradict the lie that has been told so often people think it is true. Futhermore, although I have studied this false flag for a long time, I did not know Biden was in on the Patriot Act. It is not surprizing though because I have also studied the Oklahoma City Bombing. I have witnessed the local news channels in Oklahoma on videos reporting numerous undetonated bombs being removed and read ballistic experts saying that there is no way a truck bomb could have destroyed interior columns as was observed. I also remember that their were hints in the media reports that the government investigators thought there was a dark, Latin looking suspect. After a while this was dropped and McVeigh and Nichols were blamed.
        I believe with no proof that the dark-skinned man was intended to be scapegoated and would have turned out to be a Muslim. Why? Because the Muslim threat was needed to replace the disappearing Communist threat so that the military-industrial complex would not lose their gravy-train load of support. Also, the Muslims make wonderful “enemies” because going back to the Crusades they have been a target, because they are “dark-skinned,” a different religion (Although they claim kinship with the Jews and Christ as descendents of Abraham) and because they have enormous oil reserves.
        As long as they are not under the control of BIG OIL, they can undercut the price of oil. That is exactly what Saddam was doing and despite the fact that Susan Lindauer tried to report his willingness to do almost anything to stop our attack, we needed to dispose of him to get control of his oil. BIG OIL now controls Iraq’s oil. Saddam was willing to agree to buy millions of US autos, allow us to install telecommunications technology, have the FBI located there and more. For her information, Lindauer was thrown in jail and the government wanted to medicate her against her will. She’s out now and telling the story.
        The WTC bombing in 1993 was perpetrated by “extremist Muslims.” One problem. ‘ . . … . According to the former Egyptian Army Officer Salem, in recordings he made secretly with his FBI handlers, they insisted he give the extremists real explosives the FBI supplied. The bombing did enormous damage and killed six. No one in the FBI was prosecuted. The idea, I believe, was to besmirch Muslims who ignorant people would blame as a group, despite the fact that there are extremists among every people and religion and yet we do not blame all of the practitioners of the religion.
        It has worked. Go on Yahoo for example and you will read statements that all Muslims should be declared terrorists. The WTC ’93 did not get much attention because it was publicly known of the FBI’s involvement so it had to remain under most people’s radar. Next came the incubator babies lie in Kuwait. That unleashed much hatred and of course the false flag of 9/11 was used to justify two wars and some similar setup will be employed, although not as extensive, to foment an attack on Iran for their OIL.

      • Gordon

        Yes Maynard, it does take courage to stand out against differing opinions. Thanks be to them. Just because someone is totally convinced of their viewpoint does not make them correct. There are many adamant dogmatic persons who are just flat wrong in their views. Just because they state them continuously, loudly, and emphatically does not make the views infallible.

      • Gordon

        Many things might happen. One thing we can count on, the muslim jihad will unite against the infidels (and probably cut off our oil). Jihad will come in strength to US homeland.

      • Sheryn

        deerinwater—you really need to get over yourself!!!!

      • deerinwater

        Maybe I should have say, the 9-11 attack was directed against the World banking system and American interest which is overwhelming dominated by the Jewish people. ~ I forget sometimes, ~ that some people “left to assume” will assume the wrong thing “every time” , and stay cocked and really to be offended.

        and I have no intentions of “getting over myself”, you are the offended one and not I. Perhaps you could consider taking your own advise.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Did you know that the towers where shut down a week before 9/11? Did you know all the cameras and monitoring where stopped while Bush’s brothers “maintenance” workers fixed cables.

        Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served.

        According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center “up to the day the buildings fell down.

        The company lists as government clients “the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice,” in projects that “often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites.”

        Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a “single-source” provider of “end-to-end” security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.

        The Dulles Internation contract is another matter. Dulles is regarded as “absolutely a sensitive airport,” according to security consultant Wayne Black, head of a Florida-based security firm, due to its location, size, and the number of international carriers it serves.

        Black has not heard of Stratesec, but responds that for one company to handle security for both airports and airlines is somewhat unusual. It is also delicate for a security firm serving international facilities to be so interlinked with a foreign-owned company: “Somebody knew somebody,” he suggested, or the contract would have been more closely scrutinized.

        As Black points out, “when you [a company] have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything.” And if another company is linked with the security company, then “What’s on your computer is on their computer.” [American Reporter]

        The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY Newsday]

        On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a ‘power down’ condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up… “Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.” [WingTV]

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me0b9P0fIOM

      • deerinwater

        Well No ~ I was nor aware of that until this morning Jay when I read Mr. Livingston article and it spurred my interest to do my own research.

        I confess, it’s disturbing. very disturbing news. I am not sure what to make of it.

        I don’t see our eastern adversaries all that skilled in precision implosion , maybe I am wrong? If they had help, who? We know who commandeered the aircraft and believe we know a money trail that leads to Saudi’s . And while the Bush’s name keeps popping up, I simple can’t see them knowingly involved. While I will confess , I’ve always seen Pappy Bush as a man that knew how to take orders. H. Bush was not a rogue or loose canon, a random threat, but a man that would follow orders and had no great vision that he himself inspired or at least that is the way I see the man.

        Well Mr. Livingston, ~ I have taken the time to viewed much of the material and information that you bring forward and I must say it is very disturbing. I’m not sure if I should thank you or not.

        While clearly, the motive is there; missing money and a cover up .

        It was many years ago, I had read that a FBI investigation into activities of Wall Street was call off due in part to the 9-11 incident. And now I’m being told a few Trillion was missing in the defense budget and that investigation was call off as well.

        Well, Sir? a few Trillion will buy a lot of motive. This was a godawful nasty thing for anyone to do, much worse then the mere sinking of a vessel like the Maine or the Lusitania to sway popular thinking into action.

        Like everyone else , I would like an accounting that I could believe while I question if such a thing is obtainable.

        We have made a bad habit of installing people into positions of power where clearly there been a serious conflict of interest and neutered oversight of any oversight at all.

        Powerful write up,

        best regards,

        Deerinwater.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear deerinwater,

          Thanks much!

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Good job, Bob…even if it’s just one person who begins to open their eyes…how many more people will that one influence?

        Sooo…you did your job, Good Sir. :)

        God Bless.

      • Feargy852

        The security at the twin towers was the responsibility of a particular firm !! Guess what nationality that firm was ?? Bingo…. ISRAELI

        • Attaboyslim

          You may also be interested to know that the company Zimm-Israeli Shipping paid a fifty thousand dollar fine to break their lease at the World Trade Center, one week before 911 and saved all of their employees. This company has been rumored to be a front company for the Israeli government.

        • http://Yahoo Maynard

          The Thursday before 9/11 bomb-detecting dogs were abruptly pulled out of the WTC. Huge amounts were invested in put options gambling the American and Untied stocks would go down the week before 9/11. The weekend before a power down for a “cable upgrade” had workmen coming and going with security doors and locks off. Jeb Bush had a martial plan for Florida signed on the Friday prior to 9/11, The Silversteins (Larry and his adult kids who all worked at the WTC) failed to go to work on 9/11. Jerome Hauer timed his departure from the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Planning for the day before 9/11 and the FBI’s expert on Osama bin Laden took over that day, in time to die the next day although he was scheduled to go in. Hauer was the last to see him alive that am around 2 in the morning and was the one who identified his body, which oddly was not in tiny fragments like most other victims. He would have known the videos of bin Laden were fake right away. Building Sevens’s Fire Alarm system was shut off around 6:00 according to NIST.
          Odd timing by the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to announce $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon the day before it was”hit” right where the accountants were looking for the money. Strange he never coordinated any sort of defense. He left his post and went to the scene of what he called the”accident” and walked along by stretchers instead of preparing for another possible strike. How did he know there would not be one? He had predicted one after the WTC was hit.
          I hate to tell who ever claims they do not believe any conspiracy theories this, but the tale of bin Laden and his boys is also a conspiracy theory. A very unbelievable one at that.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Maynard: By your own account, many people had to be involved in, or had knowledge of, this alleged conspiracy. Most of them probably had spouses or girlfriends. Some of them probably drank too much sometimes. How likely is it that all of those people could keep their mouths shut?

          • Ron Bedell

            Mike I think Maynard already explained it. The globalists had control of the security at the top.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            RB: My question remains the same. How do you explain that so many people have been able to keep their mouths shut?

          • Attaboyslim

            … but I will. How many mouths do you think would need to be quiet Mike? We constructed an entire town and employed 100,000 people and no one in this country or even the world knew about the Atomic Bomb so would it be more that a hundred thousand? A small handful of people would be all that would have been needed to know the entire plan and the rest would have remained compartmentalized. They still may not even understand their part in the project. Understand this also, when Military leaders or CIA persons give an order to remain silent … or else, they typically mean what they are saying and people live their entire lives never uttering a word to anyone … even their spouses.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Attaboyslim: If the towers were actually brought down by explosives planted inside, why bother with the planes?

          • Ron Bedell

            Oh that’s easy, to make it look like the planes knocked down the Twin Towers. What else are they going to blame it on?

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            RB: al Qaeda always takes credit for their terrorism. Why not just blow up the buildings and make a phony e-mail admission to the New York Times posing as al Qaeda? Why bother with the planes? So many things could go wrong.

          • Attaboyslim

            Hey Mike, I’ve never claimed to have all the answers but if I had to guess, I say it gave Bush & Company the necessary alibi for killing a million Muslims, scaring most people into a coma and taking all of our abilities to resist their ever increasing control over our lives.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Atta: How did “Bush and Company” talk Muhammed Atta and Company into blowing themselves to bits?

          • Attaboyslim

            Now, that’s just silly Mike but I’ll still respond. The truth is that I’m not convinced that they had to … convince Atta and the boys to blow themselves to bits. “Why”, I can already hear you thinking, “did the planes fly themselves into the buildings?” Having remote controlled planes that can do fairly impressive maneuvers has been around since the 1970′s but that;s not the most compelling evidence, in my mind. If you recall, they started out, telling us that there were 19 hijackers but a few turned up alive. Then a few more surfaced and … I don’t remember how many were actually dead … was it nine?

            Again Mike, I don’t have all the answers and there are so many variables involved but the one thing I am certain of is that it did not happen the way the 911 report said it happened, period. Had the Towers been hit by a dozen planes … each, there would be death and destruction. There would also be mounds and mounds of concrete and furniture and parts of airplanes scattered all over the frigging place. There would have been twisted metal, a lot of blood and body parts and there would have been fire and most importantly, there would have been a true investigation.

            What there wouldn’t have been was four feet of dust, molten metal that remained hot for weeks and miles of secrecy from the Politicians. The absolute reality Mike, no matter what is believed to have happened are a few things that can not or will not ever be able to happen, they are:
            (1) Aluminum airplanes can not slice through steel, no matter how fast they manage to fly. If a plane flew into the side of a tank, would it rip the tank into or the plane?
            (2) Unless it is carried out in a controlled environment where fuel and oxygen are continuous and over an extended period of time, jet fuel can not melt steel.
            (3) No matter how much force is used, a structure that has been struck near the top is able to remain standing because of the strength of it’s base. A house of cards would be the exception but try it with Lego’s or Lincoln Logs. Build a tower that is six feet tall and make certain it is secure and with a good foundation and then get your favorite Louisville Slugger. Are you tired yet? You can’t destroy the bottom by damaging the top. The only thing you may be able to do with the Lego’s is to pour gasoline on it and set it on fire but you’d still have a big mound of goo and not powdered plastics pellets.
            and finally, even if it were possible to weaken the bottom by hitting the top:
            (4) There will always be resistance when falling unless there is nothing more than air.Buildings, no matter what substance they are made from, will always have their lower levels damaged materials to fall through and so a near free fall speed is impossible

          • Ron

            Actually we were using drone F9′s in the sixties in Rosy Roads PR, for missle intercepts.

          • Attaboyslim

            And corrected, I humbly stand. Thanks Ron. :)

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Atta: Your arrogance, ignorance, and gullibility have formed a very unblessed trinity. You make wild declarations and call them evidence. You seek out opinions identical to your own and you think you have found proof of a conspiracy. For a different opinion, try 911review.com

          • Attaboyslim

            So sorry Mike, I was out of commission for a while but did want to come back to respond to your analogy … no, your attack on me personally. Let’s see … “arrogance, ignorance”, and gullibility”, was it Mike? And,to paraphrase, I am accused of “seeking out opinions similar to my own that are considered fact” and I, “make wild claims and call it evidence?” Pal, you are on the wrong road on this one. I’ve made no wild claims that aren’t already evident to countless people … or should I say, ‘countless people who aren’t ignorant enough to believe the moronic tale given by the government or even those regurgitated by the likes of 911review.com. Any arrogance I project is out of pure frustration in people who are normally intelligent but suddenly believe fairy tales are true.

            If I am gullible for understanding that something that should be mathematically and scientifically impossible because of the factors involved and which produce something that has never been witnessed by any human who has ever lived, then so be it, I am gullible. I will go to my grave as a gullible person until it is physically proven that , five thousand terrorists are able to totally blank our military. Not that they are invincible but they are not stupid and if only nineteen terrorist made them look like the keystone cops then we are in a [expletive deleted] load of trouble. Additionally, until the day that an airplane is shown to have more explosive capabilities than our largest mega bomb, the 5,000 pound Bunker Buster … call me ignorant

            Let me remind you my friend, that we have been pummeling the hell out of a lot of real estate for quite a while now but isn’t it amazing that the people die but the buildings don’t turn to dust? Furthermore, my blessed trinity and I will be standing on the sidelines eating popcorn while we wait for someone … anyone to duplicate the things that happened on September 11, 2001. This is not the foolish words of an ignorantly cocky and trusting individual but … it won’t happen. Would you like to know what will happen Mike? Until the end of all time, there will always be people who have such blind faith in their governments as benevolent leaders and trust that they would never deceive them and every time, they will find horrors. That ain’t me.

            You see Mike, I have no interest in finding opinions that are like my own unless there is a valid reason. Naturally I am more comfortable with people who can read and understand the history of mankind. Those who are capable of seeing how insane it is to allow a tiny group of people to control the lives of the many and who gradually take more and more of their freedoms and finally take away any way of defending themselves as being problematic. Because when people are put in a position to where they have no means of getting the truth other than what is provided for them … something is wrong. That is what happened on 911 and that is the place we are in and so, I’d like to be around people who understand that Superman is only a comic.

          • Ron Bedell

            Ok, let me try to make it a little easier this time. If this was a conspiracy, which more than likely it was, conspiracies are planned and plotted in completely secrecy. For example, the Federal Reserve Act was the biggest conspiracy in American history. And the conspirators, international world Bankers, got completely away with it. Why would any conspiracy against the World Trade Center be any different for them? They can pull that off just like they pulled off the Jekyll Island (Federal Reserve Act) conspiracy, or any other conspiracy for that matter. As long as they (globalists) have control they can do what ever they want. They go behind closed doors and nobody would learn about it until it is too late. And they would only work with people who are faithful to their evil cause. Those people are paid well, so why would they open their mouth and expose anything evil?

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            RB: You wrote “Those people are paid well, so why would they open their mouths and expose anything evil?” To answer that question, I would have to understand how sociopaths think, and I don’t. The scenario that you describe would involve a lot of people – the people who knew it was going to happen and didn’t show up for work that day, and the people who actually committed the crime. You are describing a level of evil that most people do not possess, and you are saying that they were skilled enough to pull it off, disciplined enough to keep quiet, and loyal to each other to a degree that I wouldn’t expect from sociopaths. I’m not convinced, but I would pay to see the movie.

          • Attaboyslim

            Are you guys ready for the newest theory on the collapses? According to a long time employee of the Russian equivalent of the CIA who claims to have heard about the collapse in; are you ready for this … 1996, he claims mini-nukes of about 150 kiloton variety brought them down and that was preplanned. I know it sounds like total horse crap but get this, two states in this country have building codes that state, “Builders of high rise buildings must have a plan of demolition prior to gaining the necessary permits to begin construction, and those states are New York and Chicago where the Sears Tower was erected. Keep in mind that the Sears Tower was the only building evacuated after the attacks.

            Even spookier is the fact that everything this guy talks about, with a lot of proven facts, sounds totally plausible. Just check out this documentary:

            http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/911-the-third-truth—full-movie-part-one.html

            and part two :

            http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/911-the-third-truth—full-movie-part-two.html

            It makes for an interesting watch but it surely makes a person wonder what kind of world we live in if this is all true.

          • Ron Bedell

            Thanks for your article, Maynard. I forwarded this to everyone on my email list.

    • JoeRepublic

      Consider this scenario and it’s something that needs to be asked of employees that were on staff in those buildings. As a person that has worked in both electrical systems and security systems, I have installed a lot of equipment over the years. On many occasions there have been some devices installed by engineer’s request that I did not know what the device was actually for. I would simply install where specified and hardwire it to the system, all the while having no idea of it’s function. Now here’s the scenario.

      If a job like this came in where an electrical installation team was hired to install seismic monitors on the core columns, would these electricians know what they are installing? Would the engineering firm that ordered the installation of the devices know if they were tampered with before installation? Would the manufacturer know if these devices weren’t first diverted during shipping and replaced with modified versions? The answer to all these questions is no.

      The simple truth is, the inside resources required to perform such a thing may seem massive, but in reality only a handful of people would have to be “in the know”. Everyone else involved would be compartmentalized and be serving an ulterior purpose they are completely unaware of. This is how you get something done under the cover of darkness.

      As for this Republican and Democrat nonsense, completely irrelevant. America was usurped long ago by a shadow element. Many have tried to warn the people and many have paid with their lives. If you’re looking at who to blame, you need to look at who benefits. It’s just that simple.

      In the past 11 years we have seen things go from bad to far worse in regards to personal liberty as the jackboot of hot tyranny rapidly approaches. From warrant-less wire tapping, indefinite detention, torture and even secret kill lists. So again, who has something to gain from this?

      I have my answers. I have performed six years of my own research to form my own opinions backed by facts. Hitler burned his own Reichstag in order to usher in the Enabling Act. False flags have been used throughout history to justify the installation of tyrannical measures. Fear is the only tool in the toolbox of evil that comes in many different forms in order to sell tyranny disguised as security to the masses. All we ever get is more death. Again, who benefits?

      • KG

        How difficult it would be to get a typical construction “Gang Box” to the top floor of, say, the First Interstate building in Los Angeles? That could hide a small tactical Nuclear device that would flatten the entire LA basin.

        If someone was doing semic retrofit work, those core walls would have been open for days. Allowing almost anyone access to the structual steel.

      • http://patriotupdate major

        I agree Joe, I too have experience in those things you listed.

      • Gordon

        KG you are correct. Should all things everywhere be scrutinized by gestapo every second 24/7 in anticipation that something MIGHT be amiss? Problem is, all this massive call for security is a massive call for limitations of our freedoms. Like the FEMA schtuff. Plastic coffins and barbed wire enclosures? If something happens and the feds don’t have a plan in place, then the masses will demand to know why not. If the plan is in place, the conspiracy theory freaks will be saying the feds are out to kill us. What would happen if someone loosed a chemical, biological, or nuclear device in a place like LosAngeles, and in 48 hrs there were 1 million dead bodies to get rid of? All things can be applied for good or evil. Just as long as the mayor and governor don’t forbid the feds from coming into their state for 5 days….. (Katrina)… then people can blame Bush for lack of help, when it was the state’s fault. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    • Joe

      CIA op Susan Lindauer explains all the security issues just before and events after 9/11…. http://youtu.be/iGI4jfwOmOk

    • Sandy for 911 Truth

      Yes, it takes a lot of preparation to set up a building for demolition. But guess who was in charge of security for the twin towers…. one of the Bush brothers!

      • Gordon

        B.S.

        • Lynnette

          Look at it this way. We won’t have much longer to wait to see who is right and who is wrong. Whatever is going to happen will start next month, if not this month. I don’t see us having an election. Martial Law will go into place before then. We can bicker all we want, but when the [expletive deleted] hits the fan, In the words of Tom Lehrer chances are “we will all go together when they drop the bomb”, whatever form that may be.

      • Whit

        Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay
      • JC

        Gordon has nothing more than knee jerk reactions that he doesn’t even try to back up.
        YES George’s younger brother was in charge of WTC Security.

      • Gordon

        You Tube = the trolls’ bible of absolute truth

    • JF

      John, Those building went through a ” power down ” approx. two weeks before 911. Men were seen entering the buildings for several days, workers thought they were doing maintenance. The security cameras were ordered off. Google this info and you can read it for yourself. Many believe it was at this time that the buildings were “fixed”. also look closely at the main beams in the aftermath, how they were cut into. Don’t believe me RESEARCH IT.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        I also heard of this, JF. People who were working at the WTC’s have said that people with clearance badges were seen coming into the building in unmarked jumpers carrying blue prints. Some of the people who began to talk have died mysteriously since…along with first responders. I’ve posted links to these unusual deaths before.

        God Bless.

    • DS

      Well, I guess you missed the part in the stories where the entire building was closed for about a two-week span in the months prior to the “attacks” for “infrastructure maintenance and upgrades” so two weeks would have been sufficient time, especially since there was no one in the building except those doing the “infrastructure maintenance and upgrades”. That sufficiently rules out that the planning and setup couldn’t happen. . .

    • Mike G

      exactly what I said earlier today, read my post, I go into far more detail

  • Warrior

    Figure out the force generated when 5,000 TONS drops 15 feet and you understand why the buildings pancaked.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Warrior,

      You write: “Figure out the force generated when 5,000 TONS drops 15 feet and you understand why the buildings pancaked.” So you believe in miracles? Watch the documentary. Open your mind.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        What and let all the brains fall out? Open mind my butt.

      • Retired Army Officer

        Sorry Bob…..but in reference to ‘the dog that doesn’t hunt’, I say…..that crap don’t float….

        Remember…..they more open the mind, the more garbage that can get dumped into it.

      • Kate8

        Retired – Yes. It makes far more sense to just buy the official story.

        Wait. What about the many witnesses who, unexplainedly, died of “accidents” because they saw something not consistent with the official story?

        How about all of the testimony before the Congressional investigation that was simply excluded? How about the threats to those who knew things? Like Sibel Edmonds?

        What about the fact that those promoting the official version are a pack of lying psycopaths? In fact, lying is their primary business…

        But, no. Independent thinking is not encouraged here. Let’s all just go back to sleep… If we were to figure out that events like this are perpetrated upon us for a purpose… that there are those in high places with a lot to gain…

        But, no. Everything is fine. Zzzzzzzzz.

      • Warrior

        Bob,

        I was watching this catastrophe with my wife as it was taking place. After about 15 minutes, I turned to her and said these building will collaspe.

        http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

        http://architecture.about.com/od/disastersandcollapses/a/twintowerfall.htm

      • http://patriotupdate major

        Great story as usual Bob keep up the brave work.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Retired army officer, my a**!

      • Mike G

        I agree with warrior

    • Mike

      So, the chance of 2 planes hitting exactly the same and weakening the structure exactly equally to cause a pancake effect without tilt or rotation? Wow, what are the odds? We should give up now because the math jihadis have, and the ability to execute on it, is far superior to ours. Unless there is another reason…..

      • Retired Army Officer

        Impact was too high on the structures for a tilt or a rotation to occur.

      • JC

        And how about the massive explosions in the basement (foundation) prior to the planes hitting?
        And the molten steel pouring out of the building 10 / 15 stories below the point of impact?
        Or the fact that Jet Fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel and even if it did there wasn’t enough of it to burn long enough to do so.
        It’s all Bull! All of it.

      • Gordon

        JC, I wrote a response to this further up the blog. You know little to nothing about structural design and fuel/fire effects….. You are just wrong in your beliefs Sir.

      • JC

        No, I’m not wrong and they aren’t beliefs, they’re facts.
        And you haven’t backed up a thing you’ve tried to say.

      • Gordon

        JC, thank you for your lucid comments. In an attempt to teach others that yes fuel can easily burn hot enough to melt steel, and the structural overloading of vertical components is possible. Think of it this way.

        You have charcoal in your grille for cooking your tube steak. If you blow on the coals, they get hotter, don’t they? When the hot air sucks more air into the fire, the fire gets hotter, like a blast furnace, like a charcoal fire heating horse shoes using a bellows, etc. When this happens in a forest fire, it is called a “fire storm”. Air rushes to fill the void that the upward rising column of heated air creates, and the additional rush of oxygen into the forest creates temperatures far above the burning temperature of wood (roughly 450*f). When trees fire storm, the adjacent trees explode because the moisture in the wood turns to steam blowing the trees apart, and then the superheated air around them makes them instantly burst into flames. Same thing happens in a house fire when the critical temperature happens.

        If you take the time to study this out, you might change your opinion about melting steel with 30,000 Gallons of jet fuel.

      • Gordon

        To whomever: I’d like to add that thirty thousand gallons is an average load of fuel. Fully loaded 747s (not what hit the Towers) carry 400,000 pound of fuel at 6.7 pounds per gallon= 60,000 gallons. If you take the time to look up what a 757 carries on an average 4 hour flight (plus reserve for weather delays and 1 hr. safety reserve), you will see that 30,000 GALLONS is the likely amount dumped into the buildings after their limited flight times.

      • Whit

        @ Gordon: To whomever: I’d like to add that thirty thousand gallons is an average load of fuel.

        Sorry Gordon, 757-200 – Maximum Fuel Capacity 11,489 gal (43,490 l)

        http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_200tech.html

        Cheers

      • JC

        The twin towers were “designed” to withstand impacts from airliners. The buildings architect also called BS on the planes bringing those towers down. Now, since you seem to enjoy painting picures for those of us you deem too stupid to understand basic science, why don’t you explain the collapse of Building 7 and the complete absence of any 737 parts at the Pentagon, the FBI’s confiscation of all film of that explosion and why was there no fuselage and no bodies recovered at Harrisburg? Chimney fire was it?

      • Gordon

        OK Whit. Acknowledged= Now how many thousand gallons does it actually take to make a hot fire?

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        I agree with Warrior (above Sept. 10, 11:32 am). The sites he referenced are excellent.

    • BOOKER T

      YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT SCIENCE, OR PHYSICS, GET AN EDUCATION.

    • http://yahoo wendell

      Warrior, at last, a responder on this blog that has some sense and comprehension about what really was the truth on how the towers collasped. You can tell by the responses of all the libritarian and liberal nutjobs that think this was done by our own government, are just that, NUTCASES. You can read their responses to tell they are 2 bubbles off center.

    • Feargy852

      I am not arguing that a building cannot collapse, however if you know anything about the basic principles of the laws of physics then you would know that a structure such as a skyscraper cannot collapse in the manner of which the twin towers collapsed !!! By nature a falling building will meet obstructions on its way down, this is due to the many different forces at play in the building structure. Also due to these internal forces a building cannot in anyway fall symmetrically into its own footprint. In the world of professional demolitions all these factors have to be taken into account and calculated accordingly in order to collapse a building in a manner known as ‘free fall’. This cannot happen naturally ! It can only happen with the use of precision demolitions !!

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Feargy852 Good Posts. There are tapes of firemen taken that day reporting the detonations going off around the towers in synchronised fashion and huge steel beams ejected with such force they penetrated some nearby buildings like porcupine quills from a hound’s snout. Tiny human bone fragments were found on top of the Deutsche Bank Building in 2008. The only way they could have gotten there is by explosion. The dust shows evidence of explosives (Steven Jones, Phd. says thermite) and there are photos of firemen standing in front of huge columns cut off in a straight diagonal.
        Kroll Associates under Jerome Hauer’s direction had ample opportunity as in charge of security to have made basic groundwork such as painting with thermite, which is safe until ignated, installing wiring and much else. Bomb sniffing dogs were pulled the Thursday before 9/11 and Scott Forbes reported a powerdown and workmen coming and going with security locks and doors off on the weekend before 9/11. Building Sevens fire alarm system was turned off a little after 6:OO. Who did it and why?
        Kroll Associates was also in charge of security at Dulles where Fl 77 took off from. The Pilots for Truth claim the black box found at the Pentagon indicates that the cockpit doors were never opened on Fl 77 after takeoff.
        Kroll is known as the CIA of Wall Street. Hauer had gotten James O”Neill, a top expert on bin Laden, to leave the FBI and take over Hauer’s job as head of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management while Hauer went to a post related to health at the White House and is thought to be the one who directed the White House Insiders to start anthrax antibiotics three weeks before the first known threat. He also was talking about how bin Laden did it on national TV on 9/11. He is the last person known to see O’Neill alive and the one to identify his body, which was one of very few entire corpses found. The man would have instantly realized the videos of bin Laden were fake.

  • T A

    This theory has to depend on hundreds of people holding back the truth of the implementation of the operation, from the planners to the crews that it would take to set the explosives to the coordinators of the demolition itself. I can not bring myself to believe there would be no one of the hundreds of personel involved that would not come forth to expose such a scheme, this theory is just that, no facts or witnesses to verify that it was a plan of our government, just speculators in an attempt to justify their existence

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      What if all the workers chosen for this job were all part of an Internation Secret Society and they were all working for the same Agenda? Can you fathom the possibility of such an orchestrated even then or is your mind to closed to analyze the evidence out there that says this is Exactly what has happened?

      God Bless.

      • Kate8

        Brother Patriot – One would think that military people would, especially, want to know the whole truth.

        Unfortunately, that is not the case. Maybe because they cannot comprehend that the government they serve is evil. They just cannot accept that and live with themselves.

        My sister, a retired colonel, still believes that our government is good. I’ve tried for many years to open her mind to all of these things, but she just won’t hear it. She was in Viet Nam, and she is still upset with the American people for not believing that they were there fighting for “freedom”.

        But then, how can people accept that what they dedicated their lives to, what they RISKED there lives for, is not as it seemed? That it was all a SCAM.

        Military people are some of the MOST blind. And these are the very people who we must rely on to protect and defend.

        Unfortunately, many of them are being TURNED ON US. they will protect and defend…not us, but the government….AGAINST US.

        • Lynnette

          How very true. Some of the military are aware, but not enough. When the time comes, everyone will be fighting one another. There will be whole sale bloodshed. The Nazi Death camps will become a reality and their name is FEMA. Obama plans something [expletive deleted] and my guess it will be around October 20th (Fall Equinox), just prior to the elections. He will declare Martial Law, mobilizing our troops and police against us probably because the economy finally implodes and all hell will break loose.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Correct, kate8. Many in the military are sheep & very willing to just do as they are told. Unfortunately, the ones that are true to the Constitution are being driven from the military w/such things as the gay agenda & such…thus further decreasing the count of true patriots still serving.

        Just as that fellow said about the world and events…if it happens you can bet it was planned to happen. To lazy to look up the direct quote but it’s out there…lol. Sooo…this attack to weaken our military is on many levels.

        But lose not all faith…there are many patriotic military men & women. I’m still hoping that the top brass not involved will eventually band together & do their duty. I know I would…if I still served and had climbed to a higher position. But that’s the problem…people like me loyal to the Constitution now have qualms sending my children into the military. THEY sure have done their jobs well…now haven’t they?

        God Bless & nice talking to you and the rest of the loyalists, kate8.

      • Gordon

        What if, what if, what if? What if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their butt when they hop.

      • Kate8

        Yes, Gordon. Let’s just all keep our eyes and ears shut tight and ignore the warnings. Better not to listen to our inner alarms going off. Ignore all of the troubling actions being taken, look the other way at all of the lies, the deceit, and under-the-radar moves against our freedom.

        Let’s ignore the facts about those in office, villify those who speak out in warning and protest….Let’s not look at the large numbers of people who are being wisked up and dissappeared…

        I am sure you are probably atheist or something, but Yeshua rebuked those who could not read the signs of the coming seasons. He commanded us to keep watch, and to know when evil is approaching. He condemned those who carried on as if things were normal when danger was approaching. And He told us how to recognize it.

        As it was in the days of Noah… people were busy with their lives, refusing to listen… mocking his warnings… and guess what happened to them.

      • Whit

        @Lynette:

        A small correction. Autumn (fall) equinox is September 22.

        Cheers

        • Lynnette

          Whit…thank you for the correction. I realized it too late and truthfully was too lazy to go back and correct it. I;ve been watching the fireworks instead.

      • Mike G

        your really grasping for straws, to find so many people with the time to set this all up.
        Probably the majority of the conspiracy theory people in here a bleeding heart libeeral Bush haters..
        We have a fairy tail White house now. obama, liar Pinocchio……biden a moron is dopey from snow white. and pelosi, the ugly witch from Oz…………..no wonder this country is in trouble lol

      • Gordon

        Kate8, don’t go there, it is beneath even you. Your lashing out about comments questioning the unsubstantiated statements might indicate that facts are irrelevant. Since you mentioned Matt 24, Jesus always taught using stories commoners could understand. When they asked Him how it would be He spoke plainly. = So who stayed during the whole tribulation period, and who were killed (taken)? Gotta be that way to line up with OT prophecy, so think again…… who was taken? Or was this Bible Jesus a liar? FYI I am a born again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the spirit of correct “Christianity”, big “C”, I believe that Jesus Christ of the Bible IS GOD, just as OT prophecy proclaims. (something that mormons, JWs , and some main stream “christians”, small c, don’t believe.) There are 10 substantial damnable heresies in the modern day churches. Ask a learned Jew why they won’t listen to ‘christian’ preaching.

      • Kate8

        Gordon – I have no idea what your point is with that. Just what did I say that was “beneath” even me?

        So, you believe that you have the REAL truth. Sheesh. Doesn’t everyone. You have no idea what I think and I’m not about to tell you. It’s irrelevant, because what you believe, what I believe…are just what we believe… We’ll find out soon enough, I suppose. Maybe when the time comes we can compare notes.

      • Gordon

        Kate8 I apologize to you. Certainly it is not beneath you nor anyone else to begin preaching Scripture in a vain attempt to substantiate beliefs in conspiracy theories. Go for it!!!!!!

    • Feargy852

      TA, all the evidence is there in abundance however you refuse to accept it !! The only reason the Government did not allow a full scientific investigation is because all the ugly truths would be highlighted !! Also why was all the debris material shipped to China ?? It sure was one way of getting rid of the evidence !!!

  • James

    Reccomend you all check out the bigbamboozle.com concerning 9/11 the author puts forth some very interesting information

    • http://na Mike in NE

      Kate8, that is one of my primary concerns. Trained military doing as they are told. I can hold my own from street thugs and the like, but not from the greatest fighting force on the planet.

      • Feargy852

        I am afraid to say Kate “that is the big difference between real soldiers of conduct and robots” !! Real soldiers will question an unlawful order !!

        • jeff

          I don’t necessarily think it is going to be our soldiers were going to need to worried about.

          • Deerinwater

            ““that is the big difference between real soldiers of conduct and robots”

            You hang on to that comforting thought ~ As for myself, I hated to ride in the same bus with a bunch of what you calling real soldiers.

            Soldiers usually don’t spend a lot of time thinking ~ the thinking is over when you see your first buddy shot up.

            But given the time to think there is a big difference between a platoon of soldiers and a angry armed mob, they are much more deadly for one thing and given the opportunity of time, they will discriminate if they are not pissed off or they might send everyone down range to hell and let God figure it out.

            Have you ever heard of “Recon by fire”? It’s basically, in case of any doubt or question, anything that moves gets a clip. Depending on who you are, is also called “Friendly Fire”

  • Jurgy

    Many Americans just won’t admit that we were duped by what they consider not-so-smart radicals huddled in a cave – after all, we are Americans, and are smarter and more sophisticated than Arabs with box cutters … really? the gov’t line on the 9/11 attacks is generally true – it’s American hubris that got us into trouble – we should have paid attention when the first attempt was made to bring down the WTC

    • Retired Army Officer

      True……true……

      • Karen Moldthan

        I agree with Retired Army Officer. It is what it is and there was no inside conspiracy. The people responsible for 9/11 were the 19 hijackers and those who assisted them. In other words, Muslims. Yes. The war on terror is civilization vs. Islam. Choose wisely and stop with the nonsense.
        If you want a conspiracy, Bob, check out youtube video of Benazir Bhutto on David Frost interview 3 months before she was murdered. She stated on live television that it was no secret amongst them Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Sheik Omar 3 years before her interview! How about those apples? The CIA kept his body on ice in time to pull Obama out of a hole over his faked birth certificate. If that weren’t enough the entire team of seals were murdered midair in a helicopter shortly after. Dead men don’t talk.
        Now we have the Pentagon reportedly doing all they can to stop Mark Owens’ book about a Navy Seals account of killing Bin Laden. Meanwhile I got a newletter from Militarynews telling me not to miss buying Mark Owens book! I think the Pentagon might want to realise we are fully aware this is nothing more than a plug for Obama’s re-election! After all he is the first president in history to order the murder of someone who was already dead for years! Try that one out, Bob. Otherwise, love your articles, keep them coming.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Karen Moldthan,

          You write: ” It is what it is and there was no inside conspiracy.” and “If you want a conspiracy, Bob, check out youtube video of Benazir Bhutto on David Frost interview 3 months before she was murdered. She stated on live television that it was no secret amongst them Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Sheik Omar 3 years before her interview! How about those apples?” These two statements imply cognitive dissonance. By the way, I have written before that Obama did not kill Osama.

          http://personalliberty.com/2011/10/10/cognitive-dissonance/
          http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Gordon

        Bob, I think you’re leaning too far towards ad hominem attacks. Refute the statements, not the persons.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Gordon,

          That was not an ad hominem. I pointed out the cognitive dissonance in her two statements.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Kate8

        Karen Moldthan – So, you are picking and choosing your conspiracies?

        How do you determine which are and… which aren’t?

        My guess is, you choose what to believe based on what your mind can most easily accept. Remember, belief is not truth. It’s only belief. No matter how many people believe a lie, it’s still a lie.

        We see it every day. “Believing is seeing”. If a thing is just too terrible to accept, the mind will simply choose to not believe it.

        And the PTB know this about us, and use it to their advantage. 9-11 did exactly what they wanted it to do… got us all hopping on the war wagon.

        Check into the history of false flags. You’ll be amazed.

        Of course, you can always choose not to believe it.

      • deerinwater

        Katie8 say; “My guess is, you choose what to believe based on what your mind can most easily accept. Remember, belief is not truth. It’s only belief. No matter how many people believe a lie, it’s still a lie.”

        Well , ~ how do you choose Katie? Believe the hardest thing to believe?

      • Kate8

        deer – As a matter of fact, no.

        For a long time I accepted the official story. I believed in America. I supported the war, waved my flag…and, sadly, voted for GWB.

        Nope. I started adding up the things I’d already learned in the past about covert guv activities, and began actually looking at the evidence, connecting the dots.

        I don’t claim to know the whole truth about anything. But you can find common threads if you look, and start putting two and two together.

        It takes time and a great deal of interest, but I am a person who values truth over comfort. Truth at all costs. I’d rather know the truth, no matter how bad, than believe a lie. Truth MUST be exposed if we are to take a new direction.

        Actually, I don’t solidify belief at all. I hold an impression until more information alters that impression. I don’t get attached to things being a certain way. That way I don’t have resistance when new info arrives. I have an inner plausibility meter, and if things seem to add up, they are filed for future reference. I have pretty good discernment for the absurd.

        Again, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…most likely, it’s a duck.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Well said, Kate8…good way to summerize it. Your not alone in your view point.

        I also was a believer in the dream of what America was…all delivered by the public (un)education system and the mass media’s filter. But the truth shattered virtually everything that I thought I knew as I learned that there was a series of dots (of information) that showed what the power elites have been up to during the past. It was horrible to digest it all at first.

        This caused me to start researching and my life has never been the same since.

        I honestly don’t know what I would have done earlier in my life had I known what I now believe is the truth of this world. I just know that I will go wherever the truth leads me…even it’s not a popular topic to discuss.

        God Bless.

      • deerinwater

        “no secret amongst them Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Sheik Omar 3 years before her interview! How about those apples?” These two statements imply cognitive dissonance. By the way, I have written before that Obama did not kill Osama.”

        I would more tend to believe such a rumor of Osama demise would serve Osama better then anyone else. I watched the clip and only the only evidence offered is hearsay.

        If you was the most hunted man in the world, by the most powerful nation in the world what would you do? I’d take my money, women and babies and go hide somewhere while I planted seeds of my demise in fertile soil and lay low , off the radar.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      Jurgy, I know Arabs, Muslims, etc. can be very intelligent. They had beautiful cities with knowledge of mathematics and architecture when Stonehenge was still a pup. Look at the Taj Mahal. Built by Muslims. The reason I do not think they did it is not because they haven’t the smarts to at least conceive of it.
      The reason I think it was insiders in our government is because of too many coincidences. Start with the Project for a New American Century. As David Ray Griffiths, the theologian, who has written so many well-researched books on 9/11 quoted in his “The New Pearl Harbor,” PNAC had written in 2000, that the American public would not go for a big expansion in the US military without a “catalytic and catastrophic event like a New Pearl Harbor.” The signatories included Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush and more neo-cons including many who were dual US-Israeli citizens. They had been influenced by the philosophy of peak oil. This meant that the oil was finite and it was soon going to have been used up beyond its peak. They included a lot of oil people, like Bush and Cheney, and they wanted to get control of the Middle East Oil and gas fields. George W. Bush had invited the Taliban to visit him in Texas when he was governor. He wanted them to let an American group build a pipeline from the Caspian to the Indian Ocean. They did not go for it and wereplaced on the hit list. ‘
      When George got elected, the Afghanis were on the back burner. They had to plan the War Games and they even changed the protocol for responding to a hijacking. Before NORAD could go in and take out the plane directly as before it was changed so it had to go through the President, Vice President or the Secretary of Defense.
      Jurgy, you seem to believe the “box cutter” story. That story came from Barbara Olson who was allegedly killed on Fl 77. Her husband Ted told us on Larry King Live how she had called him twice. One time she described the box cutter boys, he said. She told him the Pilot, Charles Burlingame, a retired Navy pilot and Naval Reservist who had worked on drills of what to do in case the Pentagon was attacked, was forced out of his cockpit and forced to sit in the back of the plane near Barbara. Ted said Barbara asked him what she should tell the pilot to do. One major problem with this story, the FBI testified at the Zaccharias Moussaoui trial in 2006, that there were no connected calls between Barbara and Ted. The other problem is the fact that Chuck Burlingame was a huge powerful body builder and his family said there is no way he would have given up his cockpit if he weren’t dead first. The other aspect was that the alleged hijacker pilot was Hani Hanjour. He was about 5′ tall and about 120 pounds. Furthermore, he had gone to different flight schools and the though he was pathetic. He had tried to rent a Cessna the month before, and they tested him and refused to let him rent it., he was that bad. Yet the airliner was supposed to have flown straight by Rumsfeld and the big brass to the opposite side where the plane made a 330 degree spiral and dive, caught on radar. It supposedly hit the opposite side of the Pentagon between first and second stories. No one saw the wings, motors, or passengers and the FBI showed up at nearby gas station and also ahotel to confiscate their videos, within five minutes of the impact.
      Guess where the damage was? Right where accountants were looking for the $2.3 TRILLION Rumsfeld had announced missing ONE DAY BEFORE! The money was never accounted for to this day. (That would be a lot of hush money, or plenty of hit men wouldn’t it?)
      While all this was going on back at the ranch, I mean the White House Bunker, Norman Minetta, the Secretary of Transportation arrived at about 9:15. Dick Cheney was already there. Minetta testified for the 9/11 commission that he saw a young man coming in to tell Cheney about an approaching jet. Finally, the young man asked “Do the orders still stand?” Cheney said “Did anyone tell you otherwise?” Soon the Pentagon was hit – no evacuations or apparent defences. Later in September, Cheney told Tim Russert on Meet the Press that he was in the Bunker (His wife was there too) when the Pentagon was hit.
      Something really strange happened. Dual US_Israeli citizen and Bush insider, Norman Zellikow, a co-author previously of a book with Condoleezza Rice, and now Executive Director of the Commission EXCLUDED Mineta’s testimony and claimed Cheney didn’t get to the bunker until 10:00. Preposterous. Zelikow also excluded all first responsders and fire-fighters testimony. He toook statemenfts from William Rodriguez, the custodian who had saved many many lives by unlocking the stairwells. He may have been the last out alive and he was honored as a hero at the White House. He refused to change his story, however, that he heard a lower basement level explosion and saw the ceiling tiles fall and a man on fire BEFORE the impact of the plane was heard and felt up high above. He has continued to tell his story to this day. But Zelikow kept it out of the final report. Others also testified the lobby was heavily damaged before people reached it or debris or fire impacted it from above.

  • Framingham47

    Where is government “Block of Bloggers” spreading their “misinformation”,refuting your allegations that you wackos also believe in??

    • John

      They don’t need a block of bloggers(are you one of them?). They own Fox, NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN, and their affiliates. Seek the truth! I did not believe 9/11 was a conspiracy at first either. I knew that Roosevelt was aware of the attack on Pearl Harbor long before it began(we broke their Naval code before 1932). If our government would push us into WWII why is it so far fetched to believe they would not conspire to involve us in 9/11? I suppose you believe that everything in life is serendipity.

  • Doris

    I refuse to waste my time reading such absurb propaganda..I cannot believe that it has come down to this..Democrats attacking Republican’s in such a way thats its cruel,and demeaning..
    Over 3000 people died on 9/11..A day that no American will ever be able to forget,and you want the American people to believe that the republican’s actually set this up,to kill their own people..am I understanding this right ? I refuse to be drawn into such outrageous accusations,and I won’t be..
    There is only one problem that I see here,I know that President George Bush was hated by the democrats, and the democratic party. as I see it,democrats seem to be so totally consumed by hate,judging by some of your past actions and hurtful lies..It seems they will do and say just about anything that advances their parties agenda,no matter who or what it may hurt..This type of hate is,like cancer,the more you hate,the deeper it goes.
    All I have left to say is..Sorry,go peddle your garbage somewhere else,its just not going to work here..

    • John

      This has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans. It has to do with globalists who want you dead. They wish to control the world and they care not how many useless eaters are killed in this endeavor. Bush works for the Rothschilds as does Obama. Investigate for yourself! Do not take anyboby’s word. The answers are out there.

    • mark

      No, you are wrong Doris. All these mad and ludicrous theories that George Bush detonated the Twin Towers do not come from the extreme right. They overwhelmingly originate from extreme right-wing and liberatarian groups and individuals. Mainstream democrats despised Bush’s foreign policy of Middle East invasion, his invasion of Iraq for the non-existent Weapons of Mass Destruction but none of them accuse him of engineering 9/11. That cuckoo-clock conspiracy theory is of the far-right.

      • Doris

        Mark.. let me see if I understand what you are saying here..Are you telling me that all this is coming from the republican’s own party and the libertarian’s, and not from the left.
        Now you cannot expect me to believe that can you ? Give me something solid to go on,or why you believe the way you do….

      • mark

        Dear Doris,

        Bob Livingston who wrote this article is not a Democrat or a leftist. He is a conservative and radical libertarian. (Sorry I screwed up in my first sentence what I meant to say was that most followers of 9/11 conspiracy theories – most but not all – are people of the right who hate the U.S. goverment and its expanding powers – and accuse it of all sorts of conspiracies under both Bush and Obama. Most democrats believe in an expanding and more powerful U.S. federal gov’t)

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear mark,

          You write: “He is a conservative and radical libertarian.” I have never claimed to be a libertarian. And yes, the Constitution is a “radical” document.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Gordon

        AMEN BOB = BRAVO, well said.

      • Blackpitch

        Mark, So you’re saying that Fahrenheit 911 was produced by right-wing libertarian nut job Michael Moore?

      • deerinwater

        Doris; I know it must comes as a great surprise to you but this is global politics and the people working behind the events can and do live anywhere they want too. In fact, they are free to move about at their leisure. Look at it like this , if you owned a coal mine or steel mill why would you want to live there? It not really about money but the power of money. The money is just a way of keeping an accounting.

        That you and many others have been indoctrinated to believe democrats are the fountain head to all evil is only national American partisan politics at work. This “divide” is created as a distraction from the reality of what is actually taking place as personal liberties are eroding while you are being desensitized to notice.

        To such elite people, ~ people are an expendable renewable resource. Until the time comes when there is more work to be done and not enough people to do this work, humans are actually a commodity to be used and discarded.

        It’s never really been science fiction at all, in one way or another most of us are a “Copper Top” supplying the power to “produce the work” as one thing begets another.

    • Mike

      Not believing is your right. Just dont stick your head too far in the sand. It 9/11 a conspiracy theory or not? I cannot say yet.
      Do you really trust the Gov’t to do what is in your best interest? Or for theirs?
      Keep an open mind and open eyes. I just hope more see the feal face of gov’t before it is too late.

    • eddie47d

      Pray tell Doris where does this article state the the Democrats are attacking Republicans within this article.

    • deerinwater

      While Lee Atwater has turned politics into some sort of a “blood sport” Doris is true. Most democrats didn’t “hate” W, they hated what he did and was doing and for good reason but they did “hate” the man.

      To not play this “blood sport” is to lose to an opponent that is “willing too” ~ To just lay down and allow the GOP to kick our ribs in, might be what people like yourself and the GOP would like to see happen. Clearly you’d enjoy attacking another well mannered Jimmy Carter and expect some timid Christian response. ~~ well, those days are over and you have Lee Atwater and Karl Rove to thank for today’s political rancor.

      While our democratic leadership might elect to take “the high road” it is for pundits to do the trench fighting and willing to match hate with hate , fire with fire and blow for blow.

      That Lee and Karl started this “rock fight” clearly has long been forgotten as “selective memory” can a does ~ work both ways.

      Politics has became an “Industry” of “media” in much the same way bail bondmen, attorneys, probation offices and the court systems are a “Industry” spin off of “Crime” ~ One thing begets another.

      By posture & proclamation each affiliate fights for position to win the hearts and minds of the ” voting public”

      To not play, ~ wear strange outfits that offer flare and draw attention, to not dance about and show your authority, to not make outlandish comments and launch absurd verbal attacks the voters attention will wane.

      I suggest, ~ you step back and take a deep breath and view it for what it really is ~ A Political Drama that employs all the stage craft that money can buy to create illusions that your guy is the right guy! And if he is not the right guy, at least he is better then the “other” guy.

      Democrats really don’t have two heads and a long pointed tail.

      • Mike G

        The democrats picked the right animal to represent them, the shoe fits perfectly

      • deerinwater

        LOL! an animal with a tail at both ends is equally most befitting a Republican.

    • Antirino

      The Democrats hate George Bush. Therefore, George Bush must be a great man.

      • deerinwater

        A great day for the snake is a bad day for the frog.

      • Kate8

        I’d say that they are all a den of vipers.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        No, Democrats hate Bush because he’s not a Democrat. It had nothing to do with his policies. If he had been a Democrat, they would have championed his policies to the letter!

      • Kate8

        Jay – Ain’t that the truth.

        Obama’s not much different, really. Only worse. And they champion him all the way. In fact, he’d have a harder time doing many of the things he’s doing had W not paved the way for him.

      • deerinwater

        Jay say; “If he had been a Democrat, they would have championed his policies to the letter!”

        You can say that all day, every day for the next 100 days and it will be just as untrue the first day and the last day Jay. “W” simple was not now or ever being Democrat material in any shape , form or fashion. ~~ When you hear a democrat president proclaim to the nation , “I am the decider” hell will freeze over. “W” didn’t really have “social policies” as I recall, unless it was a tax break or a nice fence contracted out to the Minority American ( North American Indians) that employed Mexican day labor to keep Mexicans and indigenous Indians out. An amazing feat that offered greater value to the services offered by the Coyote that traffics in human cargo.

    • George Washington

      Did you know that OUR government flew planes over metro areas years ago and dropped VIRUSES ON THE PUBLIC WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, just to see what would happen? Did you also know that small southern towns were also forced to be injected with viruses that caused flu-like symptoms and worse?
      Do you recall reading about the blankets the military handed out to the indians during their marches that were PURPOSELY INFECTED so the indians would DOES from that?
      Are you REALLY that IGNORANT to believe that our government would NOT conspire AGAINST US for its own greedy goals? Oswald could NOT have shot Kennedy, NO bullet causes REVERSE KINETIC ENERGY, it is OPPOSITE and REACTIONARY. The bullet HITS, the BODY being hit, moves in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION, it is called the LAW OF EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION. A stone hits your car door, it makes a dent, THAT is a REACTIONARY RESPONSE, it MUST OBEY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, it can NOT be negated simply because you want it to be that way!

      • George Washington

        CORRECTION: Too bad there is no way to stop a post once you hit enter.
        Reactionary means that the force applied causes the affected body or bodies to move in the same direction when hit by an object. The more mass used, the greater the effect(usually) Except in the case of tissue, as in the human body, which absorbs a ot of the shock from the bullet striking and then expanding, spreading out the shock as it expands, expending its energy into the tissue. Kennedy’s HEAD moved in the same direction as the incoming round, the film clip shows this clearly. The bullet HIT the BACK of his head, causing his head to rotate FORWARD, in the SAME direction as the bulet was travelling, it could NOT rotate AGAINST the force of the bullet, that violates the laws of physics, and is impossible.
        Thos that explicitly trust everything the government tells them, is a FOOL, and will always be misled by those with an agenda to goad us into accepting their excuses, because we WANT TO BELIEVE, and THAT, is our problem. The willingness to believe allows us to blindly accept ANY somewhat logical explanation as to what, when, how and why things happen or occur. 9/11 is no different, ESPECIALLY since the ONLY people telling the stories were ALWAYS some government official, and NEVER asecondary source, such as the designers of the buildings, the architects, the steel workers that BUILT the towers…You guessed it now…NOBODY THAT REALLY KNEW had ANYTHING to say, it was ALWAYS a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, who KNOWS NOTHING about HOW those towere were designed, or their structural integrity…NOTHING was known by these officials, but THEY were the ONLY ones doing the speeches….A little more than absurd, wouldn’t you agree?

        Government mouthpieces become ENGINEERS OVERNIGHT….AMAZING!!!
        Government LIES, they ALWAYS LIE, and ALWAYS WILL LIE when it SUITS THEM!

      • Kate8

        George, government has been spraying us for decades. It really began in full swing during the mid ’90s, and continues to this day. Chemtrails, and now, chembombs which don’t leave so many streaks and Xs.

        This, and poisoning our water, our food, our medicines, cosmetics, clothing…

        Not even to mention lightbulbs, TVs, cell phones and smartmeters…

        Are we all beginning to see a pattern here? Like, maybe they want us all to DIE?

        Of course, I’m just a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Tin foil hat.

    • Gordon

      Doris, you state something like nobody will be able to forget 9/11.

      FACT is that 99.9% of America has forgotten a long long time ago. All the flag waving, etc, that happened for months….. then disappeared after 3 years……. out here in middle America nearly every year I have the opportunity to travel 30 to 300 miles on 9/11 day. NOBODY, I mean NOBODY flies OLD GLORY any more, except the ususal suspects who the last 3 years did not even have The Flag at half mast. I am betting that this 9/11 that I have the only vehicle with OLD GLORY (and POW/MIA) flags displayed. I saw one flag displayed 2 years ago, and none last year on a 300 mile trip.

      Sorry Doris, America has forgotten, and except for a few conspiracy threorists, nobody actually gives a xxxx.

      Ya, I am the FLAG waving guy who still puts my hand over my heart when the Star Spangled Banner is played. I AM the guy who shouted very loudly and told several people last month to STOP TALKING during the Anthem. Disrespectful bunch. Typical of the under 50 generation. Ya there were no old people talking, and they saluted in respect.

      • Gordon

        Sept 11 has passed. NObody here flew their flags. Some “usual” residences and businesses did not even put it at half mast…… including the local WalMart. Casually mentioning it throughout the day, few even remembered the date. Typical as expected. I hope your area of the USA is more “patriotic”.

    • DAVE

      WOW! I’ve seen more hate directed at Dems and Obama than was ever directed at W. Those of us who despised W did so because he was wrecking the country. I was OK with him at first until 9/11 happened and I realized what actually happened. A president participating in the murder of 3,000 of his own citizens to justify the murder of millions abroad for the sake of his Caryle Group buddies and Cheneys Haliburton boys deserves to be hated by ALL Americans. If people would turn off Rush, Hannutty, and Faux news, they would realize that Obama is just a 3rd term of GWB.
      Hats off to Bob for writing this fine article. It’s nice to see something truthful here directed at an R!

    • Operation Mindcrime

      You really should take a look at Carroll Quigley. He was Bill Clintons mentor and he was also insider to the Elites. His quote from his book “Tragedy & Hope” is very telling. this myth that either side is really doing anything different is just a scam to keep opposing sides fighting so that they can always be in power rather than kick them out. There is a reason we do not have a 3rd party system. Here is the quote, you should look him up.
      ——————-
      The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.

      – Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

    • Mike Eck

      Where Did The Towers Go?
      http://www.amazon.com/Towers-Evidence-Directed-Free-energy-Technology/dp/0615412564
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4N3Y4Jj6WU

      Sure, it is much easier to believe everything the government you worship tells you, but if ya want the truth, ya gotta do some digging. I admit that I still do not know exactly what happened, but I am 100% sure that what we were told was a fairy tell.

      Mike

  • Baloney Toney Mahoney

    The Mahoney Man says; While nothing the govt. might do would surprise me, I’m still a bit skeptical, but will go forward with an open mind…but, what has come to me is the actual Islamists who were charged with the crimes…they admit they did it, so how come none of them has come forward & thrown our govt. under the bus? What do they have to lose, if this theory is true someone had to get to them, right? Maybe this is why we tried to kill bin-Laden instead of trying to capture him live…what secrets could he be harboring?

    • Karolyn

      I don’t often afree with you Baloney, but you do make a good point Of course, they could just bemaking points for being martyrs. However, of course, they know that Allah knows the truth.

  • Wayne Springer

    Jesus Bob, did you bang your head, you give all wonderful stuff about inertial momentum but where are the facts. Could the rotation have been stopped because of specific beams that had not been as damaged? Was someone sitting on top of a building with a Remote Control to explode certain explosives to make everything go “AS PLANNED”? Who rigged WTC1, 2 and 7 to blow, any video of suspicious folks entering the building days or weeks before the attack? Watching building demolition, the setting up takes weeks to months just to topple a building. So now I have to believe that this was in play that long before the attack. And that these folks were better than the experts to drop WTC7 in its foot print with little or no setup time? I do agree however that the government lied but it was the lies about how well our surveillance was and that all branches CIA, FBI and NSA and possibly others Americans are unaware of, were working together in America’s best interest. At least in the Kennedy video one can see Kennedy get hit multiple times. Now I’m to believe that the “conspirators” have perfected their game to eliminate blatant evidence. Come on Bob give us something! All we have right now is JUNK. One says this happened because of A, B or C but without a picture or a video image or an email, a memo, a letter or even a tape of “A” conversation. Have you taken to drinking the toxic Kool Aid?

  • Ted Crawford

    This constant disingenuouse America Bashing will win NO quality converts to your Libertarian cause! While it’s certain that all conspiracies are not theoretical , and that we were not told the entire truth of the response to it, it seems that Bush and most of his advisors were always intent on attacking Iraq, the attack itself was real!
    The Terrorists had many options, including the one they chose, to take out many targets! It was and is still, impossible to defend against everyone of these possibilities, without declaring Martial Law!
    I’m certain that everyone, in the Administration and the Intelligence Community, expected ‘something’ to happen! The wise still do, because it most certainly will! Hindsight is 20/20. If you guys are truly so wise, do us all a favor, tell us when and where and how the next major attack will occur! Mr. Wilson explained the philosophy of the Cycnical Idealist!
    Good Day

    • John

      Who is “The cynical Idealist”. Surely not Woodrow Wilson the wonderful drug addicted president who gave us the “Income Tax” and the “Federal Reserve Board” and abolished the only constitutional way the Fedral government can generate revenue hte woodruff tariff? You must be speaking of John Lennon. He is the only cynical idealist I know of.

      • Ted Crawford

        Clearly! ! I wasn’t quoting Woodrow! !
        Her is the quote I was refering to by Robert Aston Wilson; “Cynics regard everyone as equally corrupt…Idealist regard everyone as equally corrupt, except themselves”

  • Mike W.

    I will always ask this question for the rest of my life. How could a nation that spends over $50 billion on “intelligence” ever let something like this happen? For the most part, any answer will never be sufficient, even if it were the honest-to-God truth.

    • KG

      “You want THE TRUTH? YOU CAN”T HANDLE THE TRUTH!” – Jack Nicholson

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Good question, Mike! But your question is for thinking people. It is not a question for liberal algae.

  • Larry B

    Bob, what a load of crap, I think you are losing your mind!!!

  • Sirian

    As to the actual full truth concerning 9/11, we will never know. The “conspiracy” and the theories that abound are no different than those that have, over the years, done the exact same thing in ref to JFK’s assassination. There may be evidence – both factual and theorized – that have flowed forth on a regular schedule. THEORY. . . “a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles of the thing to be explained”. In simple terms – it’s wide open to an untold number of explanations, supposed or not, ideas as to both who may have been behind or involved and the basis thereof. Yet will it ever be brought into the light of the public’s mind that will in the end demand arrests and trials? Don’t count on it. Over the coming years there will be who know’s how many new books, films and video’s that will be produced and at times run rampant since “there has been new secret evidence uncovered and boldly revealed”. Sound familiar? It’s been eleven years – how long will it be before we know absolutely for sure one way or another? Is an answer necessary?

  • Michael

    This article is absurd – a fantasy that destroys credibility of author. Please discontinue my subscription as do not want to waste time reading rubbish when there are so many important and real issues to deal with.

    • Jibbs

      WTF, you don’t even know how to remove yourself from this mailing list and you judge others…..If I were you, I would stay indoors.

      • Gordon

        good retort… think just a little and you can turn this into a real ad hominem attack.

      • deerinwater

        So? only select people are entitled an opinion? If you people never heard a descending opinion ,you’d be convinced that you were dead on the button and make matters only worse.. We’ d have to break out the Kroptonite to calm you down.

  • moses

    you fools who dont bleave the truth ,are you freer today then you were before 911 ,you got hitler in office.so wake the hell up

  • BOOKER T

    THE NWO LOVES THIS STUFF, THE CFR, ARE THE WAR MONGERS, TRILATERAL COMMISSION, ARE THE ORGANIZERS, THE BILDERBERG GROUP ARE THE FUNDER’S, VERY EAST TO FIGURE OUT, TOTAL INSIDE JOB, BOX CUTTERS, PLEASE, MY 9 YEAR OLD IS NOT AFRAID OF A BOX CUTTER. 5 OF THE SO CALLED 19 ARE STILL ALIVE TODAY, WORKING AROUND THE WORLD IN DIFFERENT COUNTRY’S.

  • http://none Carter

    Kennedy was shot for printing none fed,but Govt. printed paper money based on silver.Watch Change is on the Horizon part 3 of 3 on u-tube. It tells why 9/11 was done.It tells a lot of things.And both Dems and Repubs are in these things together,but it also tells there is a small group within the Govt.trying to go back to Constitutional law and the Gold standard.It also tells if Obama is re-elected he will try to end elections.If your mind is open to 9/11 being an inside job.This expose will frighten you.The non-white guy needs to watch this too.

    • Sirian

      Carter,
      You’re referring to JFK’s exec. order #11110. That effort to limit the Fed was pulled directly after his assassination – by Johnson. Kinda makes you wonder doesn’t it? Trust no one!

      • Jibbs

        http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

        John F. Kennedy
        vs
        The Federal Reserve

        John-F-Kennedy.net Message Board
        Post | Read

        On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

        When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy – the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money – without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy’s Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: “to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.” This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury’s vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America.

        “United States Notes” were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury. We compared a “Federal Reserve Note” issued from the private central bank of the United States (the Federal Reserve Bank a/k/a Federal Reserve System), with a “United States Note” from the U.S. Treasury issued by President Kennedy’s Executive Order. They almost look alike, except one says “Federal Reserve Note” on the top while the other says “United States Note”. Also, the Federal Reserve Note has a green seal and serial number while the United States Note has a red seal and serial number.

        President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper “currency” circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.

        Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new “money”. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something.

        Again, according to our own research, just five months after Kennedy was assassinated, no more of the Series 1958 “Silver Certificates” were issued either, and they were subsequently removed from circulation. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve’s control over the creation of money. It seems very apparent that President Kennedy challenged the “powers that exist behind U.S. and world finance”. With true patriotic courage, JFK boldly faced the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt:

        1) war (Viet Nam); and,

        2) the creation of money by a privately owned central bank. His efforts to have all U.S. troops out of Vietnam by 1965 combined with Executive Order 11110 would have destroyed the profits and control of the private Federal Reserve Bank.

      • Sirian

        Jibbs,
        I would reluctantly assume that, more or less, 99% of the American public are totally unaware of this – Exec. Order 11110. Even more so, at present, it presents itself as if in all honesty, they could care less. I personally ran across this about eight years ago. Have mentioned and directed friends to look it up and read about it. Since then, only a couple have followed through which resulted in nothing more than a quick glance, let alone allowing it an actual period of serious thought.

  • cpa

    Government lies – happens all the time.

    But 9/11 truthers – come on. Our government did not set in motion 9/11. Muslims did.

    • Doris

      That is absolutely right,No one could ever make me believe such garbage..I realize whats going on here..Its proganda if I ever heard it..When I read this I felt so angry,because I cannot believe that people have nothing better to do,than to flat out lie,and put this kind of crap out there..

    • JC

      The New World Order Banking Elitists that own our Government set this in motion.
      Half the Muslims on the list of t911 errorists called the FBI after the attack and said they were alive and well and would the FBI kindly take their names off the list…they were no where near the place.

  • mark

    Yeah right, Bob,

    And Ruby Ridge and Waco were actually carried out – not by the U.S. gov’t – but by Libertarian conspirators within the U.S. gov’t determined to undermine Washington. But you and your followers have fallen for these obvious “false flag” operations and foolishly accept the canard that the U.S. gov’t was behind them. What dupes you are. What child-like naivete you all have for the “official,” media whitewash story that blames Waco and Ruby Ridge on the U.S. gov’t. It’s laughable that anyone would fall for such an obvious and media-manipulated ruse.

    We also all know that the Oklahoma bombing was carried out by the Chinese and brilliantly blamed on that dupe McVeigh. But the greatest hoax of all which practically everyone on this site as fallen for is accepting Ron Paul, a longtime U.S. government agent and paid-spy for the Russians and Red Chinese, as some kind of champion of liberty. The useful idiots have all fallen for that one. Sol Alinsky’s greatest disciple is actually Ron Paul, as everyone in the know – excepts for the dupes on this website – have long realized. Keep up the good work Ron, you more than anyone else on the planet are helping the UN achieve its goal of one-world government with your constant, secret, and welll-financed undermining of the liberarian cause.

    • American Girl

      Take some medication and go back to sleep, Mark

      • mark

        Yes but this is what paranoid conspiracy theories are all about, American gir. Not trusting anyone and being suspicious of all political activities and operatives. Maybe Bob Livingston is actually a one-world communist paid by the UN to write these articles that bring scorn on anti-gov’t movements. I certainly don’t believe that but conspiracy theorists construct this whole cuckoo-clock world in which you cannot trust anyone. So why trust Bob Livingston? Maybe Ronald Reagan was secretly a communist? I think that’s nuts but go talk to the John Birch Society or numerous of these far-right and far-left wingnut groups. They spout this nonsense morning, noon, and night. And paranoid, gullible types fall for it.

    • George Washington

      Oh Mark, you are such a COMIC!
      Do you actually beieve that those men wearing FBI uniforms were NOT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ASSASSINS?? Really? I suppose Vicki Weaver was NOT MURDERED by RON HORIUCHI of the FBI, either, was she? How about Randy’s kid being MURDERED?
      That NEVER happened either, right? Sherrif Deagan was also NOT part of that ILLEGAL RAID, was he? But then again, in YOUR eyes, this raid, NEVER happened, and WACO was NOT burned to the ground by Janet ‘baby burner’ Reno…were they?
      We all know they did THAT to themselves, as we ALL PREFER TO DIE BY FIRE…

      YOU Mark, are a CLASS-A MORON..GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEAR HISTORY THE RIGHT WAY, FROM THE RIGHT PEOPLE!
      Romper Room is NOT COLLEGE!

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear mark,

      You write: “And Ruby Ridge and Waco were actually carried out – not by the U.S. gov’t – but by Libertarian conspirators within the U.S. gov’t determined to undermine Washington.” This is for you.
      http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/08/ruby-ridge-age-of-state-terrorism-begins.html

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • cpa

    And as for oil – if that is the reason for the wars – then why isn’t the USA rich from oil?

    In past history, conquering nations are paid tribute / tax / or other benefits from having conquered another nation. They take over and run it. They receive revenues from it. If the USA went to war for the purpose of taking over the oil and resulting revenue flows from this asset, and particularly if the USA spends its own resources in “rebuilding” efforts, then the USA is rightly due tribute from these nations at least until the cost of the war and rebuilding is paid for and beyond if the USA wants to. That’s how history works post wars for “conquering” nations and those wanting to expand their rule over others.

    But that isn’t what you see when you look at the USA and the wars we are in and the way we are fighting them. Instead I see oil money only funding the middle east and a few other nations producing oil. We spend our own money (and valuable military lives) to “rebuild” other nations who don’t want us there, and we’re still waiting to rebuild our own country which is currently in economic disaster (in part due to funding the rebuilding and aid work to everyone else). As for oil – no, we’re shutting down our own production and building other nations by being their best “oil customers” (Brazil, the middle east, and more). We’re also forgiving the debt for multiple other countries of what they previously owed us and in addition sending them money as foreign aid (to just about everybody). I don’t see China forgiving our debt or anyone sending us “free” aid money.

    So what is the “oil” benefit we are getting for the USA by going to war?

    • John

      You must be a lousy CPA. We spent our money, and our resources, and our Lives to benefit global interests. We paid, they gained.

      • cpa

        John, we’re saying the same thing.

    • KG

      We are! It’s just the ELITES HAVE KEPT IT FOR THEMSELVES! Mike Moore is right when he said “America isn’t broke. It is awash in cash,” it’s just in the hands of a few who benefited from our wars and corrupt Bush administration. The most profitable entities on earth are EXXON/MOBILE and BP. But, you see, they need help to be that profitable so they get money FROM US. That is the biggest crime of our time.

    • Gordon

      What was the main reasons for every war in the 20th century? Why did Japan attack Pearl?

      • JC

        Japan attacked Peasrl Harbor in retaliation for 8 months of US blockade which kept them from importing food and fuel. Whether the blockade was justified I do not know.

      • Gordon

        That’s one viewpoint. The oppressive USA. = How about Japan was waging war throughout the region to gain control of the oil and the only thing that could stop them was the US Pacific fleet. That’s what Japanese historians say. And who took over all the European oil from the North Sea to the Balkans?

      • JC

        Listen dipstick…I did say I hadn’t researched the reasons, so don’t put words in my mouth…oh wait! That’s what liberal trolls do isn’t it?

      • Gordon

        JC, calm down and think for a minute. If you carefully consider what you want to say beforehand, then you can turn this into a really sarcastic ad hominem attack and show everybody what a total zzz you really are.

  • a Robisnon

    I have read a lot of these things and do believe our goverment has been lieing to us for years.. Why do they say one thing and do another..
    We will wake up one morning and find we do not have any freedom at all.
    Talk about a lier is Obama.. he is not my prest.
    look how many freedoms are already gone..Health care will do more..

  • Thinking About

    If there was a conspiracy perhaps the Bush family ties with the bin Laden family produced the person many believe was responsible for the 9/11 attack. Bin Laden, a half brother to Osama bin Laden, money financed the Bush family with Salem bin Laden as a representative of the family. Salem died in a light aircraft in West Texas. Saddam was backed by George H W to return and rule in Iraq. Saddam “threatened my Daddy” and resulted with George W attacking Iraq by stories of WMD’s. What did George W do after 9/11, commerical flight was halted in the US air space, but not for the bin Laden family, George W arranged for them to leave the US.

    What has happened to the USA economic collapse was a repeat history of George W, it followed his two companies results. Future behavior can be predicted by past behavior and in the case of George W it did not fail, he drove the boat to economic collapse. We got what was predicted.

  • Howard

    I can believe that our federal government has conspired for many years to keep us enslaved to them, and totally have us tied up to the point where we can’t do anything about it. I do not believe they conspired to the attack on 9-11, as they didn’t need to. They can do whatever they want, and you and I can’t do anything about it. They allowed an unvetted jack ass to become president. Whether that was so he could be a scapegoat or not remains to be seen. I would rather think it was done as an experiment to see how far they could push the public, and still remain in power. As long as they can hold the political arena to just two parties, they have us totally under their control. They will self destruct eventually, but unfortunately the whole country will pay the price.

  • http://yahoo kygator

    No wonder something like Obummer got in the White House!! The total nutcases are
    in the majority!!!

  • Ron Bedell

    Thank you for this article. I have never believed that nineteen people with box cutters took over two planes and flew them into the World Trade Center, and of course the third building collapsed all by itself. Back in 1990 and 1991 Bush Sr said there would be a New World Order meaning world government, a one world currency, etc. Anyway, I, immediately, new that 9/11 had everything to do with the New World Order. I NEVER TRUSTED A BUSH! Lastly, 9/11 and this attack on the American people was well planned by the elites, the international world bankers namely the Rockefeller’s, Rothschild’s, etc.

  • http://Chamberlain James

    I don’t know if it was a conspiracy or not. I do know for certain that God will judge the guilty. The only way the guilty can be saved is through confession and repentance for their sins in this matter. Will there ever be confessions in this incident? I don’t know. Whether or not we ever find out the truth doesn’t really matter. What matters is that we all believe on Him and put our trust and love in Jesus Christ so we can all be together in Heaven. This world will pass away like the WTC and God alone can rebuild. Praise God!

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    I usually dismissed all conspiracy theories as “nuts”, until . . .

    Climategate emails and documents revealed fraudulent global temperature data in Nov 2009 that leaders of the world and leaders of the scientific community tried to justify.

    Then I read the book Czech President Vaclav Klaus wrote in 2007 describing the tyranny engulfing our entire planet [Blue Planet in Green Shackles (Competitive Enterprise Institute, 2007, 100 pp.)] http://tinyurl.com/5z4j6g . . .

    And traced the history of this deception back to the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Aug 1945, to the formation of the United Nations in Oct 1945, and to false reports on energy (E) stored as mass (m) in cores of atoms [1] and stars [2] in 1946.

    The rest of the story is being written here: http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

    [1] Hideki Yukawa, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics (1946); Introduction to the Theory of Elementary Particles (1948) http://www.nndb.com/people/759/000099462

    [2] Fred Hoyle, “The chemical composition of the stars,” Monthly Notices Royal Astronomical Society 106, 255-59 (1946); “The synthesis of the elements from hydrogen,” Monthly Notices Royal Astronomical Society 106, 343-83 (1946)

    I couldn’t start “connecting the dots” until Claimategate in Nov 2009 !

    Regretfully,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com

    • TIME

      Dear Oliver,

      Its all been done in a way that has even people who are really quite smart totaly fooled for many – many years.
      When one scratching only the surface in most cases the OFFICIAL story lines start to fall apart.
      So when really digging is when the real SHTF.

      Keep digging, look in to just the issue of “ROCKWALL” in TX alone for a real wild ride.

      Try these sights for intel that you may find of help;
      Steve Quayle
      Before its news
      Redice Creations
      Solarham / for weather related issues.
      Prison Planet / Info Wars.

      Best of luck, Peace and LOVE

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Thanks, TIME.

        Coincidence is the enemy of liars.

        By coincidence the talented scientist who became my research mentor in 1960, Professor Paul Kazuo Kuroda, was a faculty member at the Imperial University of Tokyo, Assistant Professor Kazuo Kuroda who was sent in Aug 1945 as the first scientist to visit the ruins of Hiroshima.

        Leaders of the Western scientific community tried to hide his findings:

        1. P. K. Kuroda, “My early days at the Imperial University of Tokyo” http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts2005/PKKAutobiography.pdf

        2. P. K. Kuroda, “On the nuclear physical stability of the uranium minerals,” J. Chem. Physics 25, 781 (1956); “On the infinite multiplication constant and the age of the uranium minerals,” J. Chem. Physics 25, 1256 (1956).

        3. P. K. Kuroda, The Origin of the Chemical Elements and the Oklo Phenomenon (Springer Publishing, Dec 1982, 165 pages).
        http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Chemical-Elements-Oklo-Phenomenon/dp/3540116796

        4. P. K. Kuroda, ”The Oklo phenomenon,” Naturwissenschaften 70, 536-539 (1983). http://www.springerlink.com/content/n556224311414604/

      • TIME

        Dear Oliver,

        I will look over the noted sights later today.

        I Thank You so much for the intel I do so enjoy the learning curb. Daily I try to learn at least ten new things, its not easy but then again nothing of great benfit is ever easy.

        Just for the record, I ask anyone who’s been in any form of aeronautics this same question. To date no one can answer it.

        On March 13th – 1997 – going north on I 17 to my home in Flaggstaff AZ. I observed along with a groupd of about 40 plus people who all stoped their cars and got out to watch a what can only be noted as a “massive flying wing” with five bright light units under the wings.

        This bloody thing was so large it blocked out the sky – as in you could not see anything but this Massive wing like unit for some time.
        It made NO sound, and it was going so slow that I can’t understand what was keeping it in the sky.

        So my question is; Do you know if we have ever made any aircraft like this, or has any other nation on the planet earth made such?

        Peace and LOVE

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        TIME, I do not know the answer.

        I cannot afford to be sidetracked or I will never be able to decipher all of the deceptive science that has plagued government science since the United Nations was established on 24 Oct 1945 and deception started in 1946:

        See: http://omanuel.wordpress.com/
        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-720
        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-818

  • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

    Wow!

    Bob’s laying out the dots again and the math adds up! Good job, sir. Thank you for your courage & continued service to the American People. We are in dire need of a free & independant source of news willing to lay out the dots as they are.

    However, Bob though you include George Bush & simular people in the equation you don’t mention the secret society they are involved in. I think the Root level of this equation involves Them and we can’t begin to truthfully unravel this equation unless they are included along with their Agenda. We speak of the New World Order.

    I would like to mention also that the area struck at the Pentagon was just recently renovated and reinforced. The only location to recieve this treatment. Coincidence? The dots say otherwise.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_renovations.html

    God Bless us all and this site for the chance to read the truths. No wonder they want to sensor the net, right? They will succeed if we continue to let them. Look at what they have managed to do so far to us.

    Time to change the government’s diaper and bring in loyalists to the Constitution. People who have loyaly served the country in some fashion, who are NOT connected to the mentioned secret society and who’s belief’s are inline with what our Constitution, Bill of Rights & the Declaration of Independence says.

    I also believe that we need to ratchet this up a notch higher Bob, and include an investigation into the secret society’s involvment & prossecute if necessary. We speak of the secret society of the Free Masons, the Rothschild, Rockerfeller, Illuminati equation as a whole. The New World Order exists as proven by History and It is diametrically opposed to what America stands for. We should treat them as the Enemy because They are. Their influence on this world is heavy and we as a people shouldn’t tolerate it. They have been tampering with the evolution of the human species as a whole and this needs to stop. Perhaps unmolested we might actually coexist without so much negative energy enfluencing this world of ours.

    Again…God Bless us all.

    • Ladybug

      I am glad to finally find some more people who know about the secreat society which I have known of for years by the name ‘Students’ Circle’. I read a little book way back in 1973 that was written by an insider of this secret society; he had resigned his membership when he became aware of what the secret society’s real intentions were; he was a very wealthy man, and only very, very wealthy people are ever invited into this secret society which has only 13 members and yes they want to rule the world and they consipre and manipulate events to get their way. Apparently this has been going on since the early 1800′s. The man who wrote the book was assassinated and his best friend, who remains anonymous, managed to publish the book in a secret printing shop, way back in the 1800′s, there were only about 100 copies and given to a chosen few to enolighten other people. I happened upon one of these copies and I read it. I spoke about it to my then-husband and a good friend, to inform them. The book disappeared from my house within 1 week and I never found it again. I have spoken to some people about it, telling them that I cannot substantiate what I am saying, but that I know this almost first hand. People never believe me, maybe someone here will. There is also a reference to this secret society in a book written by a popular author.
      Since then I have kept my eyes open and I see ‘between the lines’ of the events taking place in the world.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        You are partially correct, Ladybug. At least from what my own personal research has led me to believe.

        You speak of Capt. William Morgan and his friend David Cade Miller who published his book. If you wish to know more about them then remember to cross research your research in order to try & triangulate the truth. Once you take in all the information it’s a matter of math normally to deduce what really happened.

        I’ll not spoil your or anyone elses research here but these events did lead to the Anti-Masonic movement back in 1827 & such. If you are unaware of such a massive event then the (un)education system has already done it’s job to you and perhaps if you research this movement and find that indeed it was true…perhaps now you’ll lead more credence to what others & myself have been trying to relay to you.

        We as a people, a society & a species can NOT pull any punches here. We MUST have the truth no matter where it takes us in order to right these wrongs.

        May God Bless us all as we begin to learn the truth & take action. I call on my military representatives to begin talking about all this. I know if I still served I would follow the tracks of Lt. Col. Terry Lankin as I would not be able to obey orders knowing the chain of command is broken at the top. (Not including all the ones who are complecent as well).

        God Bless all those in harms way & willing to risk everything to save us. Such folks are out there.

      • TIME

        Dear Ladybug,

        For more info on this topic you may want to look into whats called the “Mystrey Schools.” You want to go back a long way, as in all the way back to the Sumerians and Egyptians, and even back many thousand of years before even the Sumerians.
        Much of what you will find is what the Templar’s and Mason’s in many cases are based on, as well as Skull & Bones, The Groves Moloch, as well many others.

        A note of caution: ** Please be aware that you will also find the origins of what is known as the “MODERN Christian” religion’s, note I said MODERN, what you will find will make you ask a lot of questions as well challenge everything you think you know.

        Just the simple learning the words used today and what there true meanings is, where they come from – thats a major pivot point to understanding everything that is, as nothing is new its all just a rerun.
        Saddly non of these topics are not found in the modern Education System.

        { Any Social network that holds “secret knoledge” is Repugnant in a FREE society. } John F. Kennedy

        Good Luck.

        Peace and LOVE

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Nice added information, TIME…but really, I wasn’t trying to scare her. lol

        But yes, you are correct. Once you go far enough down the rabbit hole…you begin to learn that the modern christian/cathlic versions of religion are but a regurgiated ancient pagan religion that was in use 1000′s of years ago by various cultures. This perhaps helped in it’s propigation by Aliens. These aliens may actually just be the spirit entities of the Dark one. Entities that we know as Demons/Devils but other cultures knew as Djinn or Archons.This story has been propigated across the glob in various forms all down through History. History is litterly “littered” with previous societies that had simular stories to those in the Bible. The Council of Nicea is where the most recent spin came out of and what is still influencing this world today.

        I have been on the pursuit of truth no matter where it takes me and this is what History is telling me is the truth. So good luck in your own research those of you who are first hearing this & willing to open your mind to other possibilities. Find out what the evidence in History is telling you. Not just what some “clergy man” is saying…

        However, knowing all this doesn’t make God not exist. Infact it heavily influences the factor that there is a divine structure to the universe. For I do believe that He very much exists in us & all things. In my humble opinion, there is no wrong way to worship Him unless you do harm to others or yourself, I suppose. For is not church in session if two people speak of God? I think the Bible has good merits and stories in it. Especially if we read between the lines of what the religion it’self is trying to do with & to the people.

        I love God. I worship & pray to Him daily. I do so from my heart chakra and my life is blessed. I stand in His Light and need no one to tell me that He exists. I feel Him daily.

        May you all be blessed by God as well.

  • LIBSLIE

    Wow, who knew such lunatics existed. How do we KNOW what REALLY happened? Maybe from the CALLS FROM THE VICTIMS DETAILING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING. Do you QUESTION their STORY? THEY are the ones who said the terrorists used box cutters & took over the planes. Are you saying the poor people on the flight headed for the White House that took the plane down lied?

    [expletives deleted] keep telling yourselves Bush at tacked his own country. Don’t pay ANY attention to Fast & Furious, The NUMEROUS green energy scandals wherein 100s of BILLIONS of $$ were given to ObaMAO’s top donors & green energy Wall Street pals, the 16 TRILLION $$ DEBT, the $5 TRILLION $$ DEFICIT, the 18% REAL UNEMPLOYMENT, $4 a GALLON GAS, the UNCONSTITUTIONAL APPOINTMENTS & EXECUTIVE ORDERS, the REAL ILLEGAL WA R in Libya, ALLOWING TERR ORIST ORGANIZATIONS like CAIR into the White House, I could write a book & many have. These are not the THEORIES of a bunch of nutjobs, THESE ARE FACTS!!

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear LIBSLIE,

      You write: “How do we KNOW what REALLY happened? Maybe from the CALLS FROM THE VICTIMS DETAILING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING. Do you QUESTION their STORY?” Yes. The technology did not exist for cell phone calls to be made from airliners at altitude. Deena Burnett told the FBI she received 3-5 calls from her husband because caller ID showed his telephone number. At the time, UA93 was flying at 34,300-40,700 feet. Technologically impossible. In her book, Burnett, a former flight attendant, wrote she “looked at the caller ID and indeed it was Tom’s cell phone number. I didn’t understand how he could be calling me on his cell phone from the air.” In the Moussaoui trial, the FBI’s report stated Tom Burnett called his wife on a seatback phone. Either the calls were faked, or the FBI lied. Ted Olson told CNN that his wife called him twice on her cell phone. In subsequent interviews he changed his story back and forth. Sometimes it was a cell phone and other times it was a seatback phone. In its report in 2004, the FBI stated all calls from AA77 were made from seatback phones. In 2006 AA admitted flight 77 did not contain seatback phones and all calls from the plane were made on cell phones. AA pilots and flight attendants have also testified that seatback phones were nonexistent in most planes and deactivated in others prior to mid-2001. The “official story” of the calls is a lie.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Sirian

        Bob,
        I understand where you’re coming from but don’t you see the implicit opposite of what you, and so many others either have said or at least claim to be the truth? Be any of the evidence, this/that or the other, presumedly backed, or appears as so, from a variety of different sources, testimony, scientific studies or otherwise, that in the end this tragedy too holds a very, very similar resemblance to the on running hoopla over JFK’s assassination? Does it not all depend upon the individual belief that it was a sole terrorist attack or the exact opposite, a government backed attack? Being it as it may, which can be proven without any “reasonable doubt” that would survive the questionable workings of today’s courts? How many times has the evidence mentioned ever been pushed full force before a Federal Court and has won? Obviously, none. Can it? Yes, of course it could. But again, would it stand any chance of being first of all heard let alone accepted? Doubtful, very doubtful. Am I discounting the possibilities that may exist to substantiate what you’ve written about? NO, it’s merely understanding that no matter what results may be desired, no matter what level of effort is applied, the end result will continue to be the same. Correct? YES – unfortunately – YES!

  • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    Excellent work and then there is also the Disappearance and DEATHs of important witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTWUQoac1uo

    • Lynnette

      VERY INTERESTING watch. Thank you! Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We’re screwed.

      • Kate8

        Lynnette – No, we’re not. Information is what will save us. If people will look and listen, that is.

        That is why it’s so necessary to expose everything that’s been kept hidden. Secrecy and deception are the means by which the PTB are able to move forward with their agenda. That’s why it’s so frustrating that so many people just don’t want to know the truth.

        Their power is illusion, and it’s only there as long as they hold and control all of the wealth. If they can’t pay people to do their dirtywork, THEY’RE screwed.

        And guess what? There are lots of people out there, in many countries, who don’t want to see the NWO succeed, and who are working to separate the elite from the source of their money.

        I can’t wait to see them cuffed and brought to justice. I wonder how elite they’ll feel when they’re stripped of everything they own and are sitting in a prison cell.

        We all reap what we sow. And look at all of the misery they’ve sown.

        • Lynnette

          Kate8….I really do hope you are right. I do know a lot of people are waking up and on the move. I’m just afraid we may run out of time is all before we can get the upper hand.

      • Kate8

        Lynette – I know what you mean. But remember, the #1 method of modern warfare is psy-ops. “It’s hopeless”. “Resistance is futile”. “It’s already done…too late…” etc. etc.

        Then we read about all the foreign troops, the deadly ammo, how we can’t sneeze without being recorded… how we have no rights, no defense… How if the terrorists don’t get us, the government will…

        These are things which are intended to terrify us into submission.

        Opposition is growing. Nothing is ever hopeless. Not as long as we have breath.

        Evil doesn’t get to win. That would violate all of the Laws of the Universe.

  • WayneC

    Well Mr Bob Livingston On this topic “The 9/11 Conspiracy Theory” we will have to disagree. You posted this same column last yr & to keep fanning the flames is not doing anything to prove this theory one way or another. Plus promoting the idea that President Bush had planed this is sheer nonsense.The last time I look there is to many to count and not enough time& space to list them all. But one stands out http://debunking911.com/ & hope it helps to explain how it could happen the way it unfolded in 9/11/2001

  • Wyatt

    I can see we have a lot of “Koolaid” drinkers in here . People blaming political parties and others blaming the religion of someone who wasn’t even a political candidate at the time . Obviously , there was some sort of conspiracy . Be it Al Quida or One World radicals . Truth be known , We Will Never Know in our lifetime or that of our children . Its easy for people , with no more knowledge other than what they read in the press or gleen from TV news broadcasts to suddenly see all sorts of dark and devious plots in any event . They spout all sorts of theories with no proof . I have even heard one that it was a nuclear device .
    Until we are all dead and gone , I seriously doubt the full truth will be known . And even then , it be only a theory . Just as the true identity of Jack the Ripper is only speculation , Pearl Harbor has speculation . So to will the events of 9/11 always have speculation even when truth is right under our noses , we will never know it .

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      I remember that article last year and it’s as true then as it is now…even more so now as the 9/11 architects & engineers investigation along with so many other independant investigations are proving.

      Time to wake up & smell the reek of truth. Now…let’s do something about it.

      God Bless.

      • Kate8

        Amen, Brother.

  • American Girl

    As usual, the comments display emotional ignorance. Last fall, when I “stumbled” on the truth about 9/11, my initial reaction was also one of vehement disbelief. However, I was determined to investigate and spent months doing just that. I have watched many hours of video footage, read dozens of accounts from experts in various fields… architects, engineers, pilots, demolition, firefighters, scientists, etc. While they may not all agree on exactly “what” happened that day, thay all agree on what did “not” happen. As all evidence was quickly removed (unheard of in even the smallest crime scene), thwarting any real investigation, we may never know the exact truth.

    Bob has given only a capsule of what he knows about 9/11 and has provided readers with links to discover the truth for themselves. He ends the article with this;
    For more information, go to 9/11truth.org. You can also watch the documentary “9/11: Explosive Evidence — Experts Speak Out” on Colorado Public Television. At the very least, this documentary shows the government is lying about WTC 7. If it’s lying about that, is it beyond the realm of possibility that the whole government conspiracy theory is a lie?

    What scares me more than knowing that our government was complicit in the 9/11 attack and is covering up, is knowing that they accomplished their goal of fooling the people, because they are simply too lazy to take the time to investigate. I mean… you’re taking time to read articles such as this and leave ignorant comments… why not dig a little? If you disagree, DISPROVE it with verifiable facts.

    Good article, Bob

    • TIME

      Dear AG,

      Great Post!

      Saddly its just to easy for the Sheep to “Go along to get along.” Afterall thats what they have been told by the special magic wizzards on the TV daily.

      Thats also why when March 2013 comes along with the special health care package the hidden part about {RFID Chipping} of what will begin at that time these same special sheep will just go along once again to get along.
      Yet claim all the while they so LOVE their naition as well the freedom they think they have.

      If everyone would turn off their TV for even three months they may start to come out of the hypnotic TRANCE they live within.
      As well turn off their Smart Phones, and Games made for compliance in their own “INDOCTRINATION.”

      But then again today is Monday so there’s that special “Monday night FOOTBALL” as there’s always a nice cold Beer made from GMO Hops and floride water in a can that has been sprayed with formaldehyde.
      Plus that BIG phat bag of chips made from GMO’s to dig into with their special dip made from other Chemicals that induce stupidity so they never have to do any thinking on their own.
      Then they can brush their teeth with some nice wholesome FLORIDE to top off the day.

      There nothing quite as special as great thinkers who are but ignorant indoctrinated sheep.
      Oh well its all part of a cycle thats really quite well know, {Slaves, to FIghting for Freedom to the next step, creating, then enjoying the fruits of their labor, to Compliancy, and then back to being Slaves.}

      One would like to think that the lesson would have been learned by now.

      Peace and LOVE

      • Lynnette

        Right on!!!

  • steve

    Up until this thread I found a reasonable amount of intelligent discussion here. This thread leads me to believe there are a bunch of 911 truthers here that are dumber than owl crap and bat crap crazy.

    • American Girl

      All you have to do is prove the truthers wrong. I mean the fake 9/11 commission couldn’t even do it, but have at it! Again, a comment of no substance…

      • TIME

        Dear AG,

        How super Steve has clearly displayed he is one of the very sheep I noted above.
        Just goes to show when you need a good example one pops up.

        Peace and LOVE

  • will charles

    It was Deputy Atty General Jamie Gorelick ,who in in 1995, erected the wall between agencies that prevented sharing information,that could have prevented what happened on 911. We will never hear anymore about this because we have left wing wonks running our news,who will do nothing to upset the Democrats chances to win at all costs.

  • dan

    Gee kiddies: the building was DESIGNED to fall in it’s own footprint and withstand jet impacts and av-gas fires…..not the weapons that were brought in via the basement when the gold was removed in the weeks prier to the demolition. Building seven was stripped and wired for demolition but was thrown in and blamed because it got around the asbestos abatement.”Painting crews” and “art students” were all over 1 & 2 for weeks prier to the demolition.

  • dan

    aw ,gees…prior…shakes his head and curses spell check

  • http://yahoo Maynard

    All of you who wish to call people nuts remember name-calling is not refutation. So try to use evidence, logic and reasoning to explain the following: PNAC signed by Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush and many other neo-cons in 2000 said the American public would not support a big expansion in the military without “a catstrophic” incident like a “New Pearl Harbor.” The night of 9/11 GWBush wrote in his diary “the Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century happened today.” The week before 9/11 Jeb Bush had signed a bill creating Martial Law in Florida. The Thursday before 9/11 bomb sniffing dogs were pulled from the WTC. The week-end before 9/11 workmen were coming and going installing “cable.” Security cameras off, doors unlocked. (Scott Forbes observed this, reported it and was ignored.) Jim Pierce, the president’s cousin moved his business meeting out of the WTC on 9/11.
    The CIA of Wall Street, Kroll Associates was in charge of security and had access to the entire building through elevator shafts.
    Larry Silverstein and his two adult children did not go to work in the Towers on 9/11. Building Seven’s fire alarm system was turned off shortly after 6:00 am. Why?
    Mayor Giuliani abandoned his post in Building Seven before the collapses because someone “told” him they would fall. Who told him and why didn’t they warn the Towers? Barry Jennings, a NYC Housing Dept. worker had arrived late at an emergency meeting in Building Seven. The room on the 23rd floor still had hot coffee and sandwiches on the tables but was empty. He and a Mr. Hess tried to go down but the elevators were now off. They tried to descend by the stairs but there was a big explosion and the stairway was out at the sixth floor. They went back upstairs, broke a window and called for help. Eventually, firemen got them out but all the while he heard explosions. He was taped right after getting out but soon after he was warned not to talk or he could lose his job. He died at 53 under undisclosed circumstances.
    There is so much more but I will have to leave it for later.
    Stop calling names, like the sheep in Animal Farm, and open your eyes.

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  • Lastdaysgirl.

    The only thing that really matters now is the thousands of souls that were Lost! Theories are guesses and personal oppions at the best. And I try to stick with the facts that can be verified. Terrorist who trained in Pakistan and Afghanistan then met in Germany, England, and Spain waiting for their funds. They had the agenda to take down the Towers, and kill as many as they could and God only knows what else! They came to Florida and ‘learned’ to pilot a commercial plain. Then they went to Boston and New York got on the planes and flew them in the Towers and the Pentagon. The Heros of that day, were on the pland that crashed in Pennsylvania! As far as building 7, that may have hae explosions in it. I don’t know. I am no expert. Everyone love Bush 9/11 until Nancey Pelosi came in with her Lies! And I am Voting for the Romney/Ryan Team! I am so tired of the Blaming, Lies and attacks with This group or that one! None of that Is appropriate for a standing President! Peace Be Unto You All and God Bless! Jane.

    • American Girl

      Just a few salient points, Jane;

      “The only thing that really matters now is the thousands of souls that were Lost!”

      What really matters is the “millions” of souls who will end up dead or enslaved because of the unconstitutional Patriot Act and NDAA, signed into law on the back of a contrived “war on terror”, brought about by a false flag event on 9/11/2001

      “Theories are guesses and personal oppions at the best. And I try to stick with the facts that can be verified… They came to Florida and ‘learned’ to pilot a commercial plain.”

      Before you can ‘stick with facts that can be verified’, you have to actually know those facts. the pilot who was supposed to have flown into the pentagon could not even control a cesna, let alone a commercial jet. There is absolutely NO proof that an commercial airliner hit the pentagon OR that a commercial airliner (or ANY plane) crashed in PA.

      There are many disturbing facts about 9/11… theories are unnecessary. Visit 911truth.org.

  • http://personallibertydigest tina

    Brother Patriot-you are right. Thankyou Bob Livingston. Ten years ago,I would have totally disagreed. After doing my own research for years. The dots all connect. GHW Bush whom refers to Americans as “useless eaters” is one evil being. “money and power”. America’s Patriotism has sorely been taken advantage of. The goal, a “One World Government with a universal religion” (Islam) why? they can control them. Do you honestly think muslims could design this entire attack? No.

  • bless2live

    Yes,and Rod Hamster Clinton is still ducking real bullets in Bosina! Give me a break!
    Yes, and your president showed the world a real birth certificate from Hawaii! Yes, and it is real! Give me a break!

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  • Gary Pollard

    There was a movie starring George C. Scott called “The Formula”, it reveals the OIL COMPANIES….watch it if you haven’t seen it, and if you have seen it watch it again…..

  • http://na Mike in NE

    When I saw bush being told about the attack while reading to school children in Florida, my VERY FIRST thought was ” that [expletive removed] was already prepped for this.” Plus the day before rummy admitting about the “lost ” money, and tha was the area of the pentagon that hit, I’m behind you all the way Bob, that dog just don’t hunt.

  • Phil

    You people are all mental and need to get a job or something constructive to do.

    • Lynnette

      Nice for you to say. Apparently you are one of those that still has a job.

  • Operation mind crime

    Lots of opinions here. I will try to post what is generally known by people in other countries as true: false flags are real. Used by governments if all countries especially Great Britain and USA. Anyone in the military who doesn’t know this is a perfect example of the problem. And an answer to why things can happen within a massive organization and people do not know( it’s called departmentalization) duties are broken into chunks and alone they mean nothing so that makes it hard to know the end result. You know only what you need to know in order to do your part but that doesn’t mean you know the entire plan.
    Gulf of Tonkin is widely known as the reason we got involved in Vietnam war . It’s also been proven to be a lie and a false flag. If you don’t think it’s true look it up and decide.
    In both wtc bombing it was reported that unusual men in unmarked vans were there for extended periods for unknown reasons. I do not have the link at the moment. But both events had multiple similArities between them.
    It is also known that Hitler did kill his own guys in order to blame someone else. The exact purpose of false flag.
    Operation Northwoods lists very clearly things such as blowing up buildings with airplanes , mass murders at large events. Things that are always blamed on “terrorist” but actually were suggested by our own military on its own people in order to go to war with Cuba.
    It sounds insane but it is history. Not conspiracy . It has happened since the Roman times.
    Plain and simple , men are evil and men in power will stop at nothing to keep that.
    All you people who refuse to accept that your precious gub might be as bad as all the foreign gub that we so muck like to destroy.
    All these wars we go into. All these countries we have been invading over the last 12yrs.
    None of you think anything over the fact that Dick Chenney clearly stated years ago on video that we had a plan and the plan was to invade Iraq, Libya,Syria, Egypt, Iran etc etc and that is exactly what we have done. Like clockwork. We go in to a foreign country, overthrow the leader and leave it in the hands of a bunch of extremists that we then have to go kill later. Have any of you seen the state of Libya? Yes quedaffi was not the best person but everyone had a much better life before we blew that place off the map. Now they don’t have anything . The country is destroyed. Thousands of black people have been executed by the people we put in charge and for no reason other than color. People look it up. That place is hell now and for what reason? To take the tons of gold he had , that is why.
    Psyops , false flags , disinformation etc all military tactics used to get the people to fall in line and be passive towards its government and aggressive to some other group in order to meet their agenda.
    I am not 100. % sure on 911 enough to say exactly how or who but there are way too many things involved to just believe that 911 happened the way it did. Too many things that happened before and as a result to overlook.
    People call others lunatics for stating anything other than standard gov story . They say it’s crazy. But at same time they are so willing to overlook what amounts to 100′s or thousands of coincidences in order to stick to that safe story.

  • uvuvuv

    if you take those hollow core concrete blocks and stack them 6 feet high and then pour on a gallon of gasoline and light it, your tower will not collapse. see what i’m getting at? cement doesn’t burn. but let’s say one of the blocks cracks from the heat. now your tower will fall, but it won’t make you a neat little pile of rubble, it will topple over, going to one side or the other. better move your chaise lounge. those buildings were pre wired but the question is, how did they manage it? they had staff in place around the clock because of the inconvenience of the world’s time zones. people get suspicious when they see a cart in the hall with boxes labeled dupont de menours or olin matheson.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Not to mention that the concrete was pulverized…into dust.

      This due to the nano-thermite military grade explosives used. This found in the dust by the independant investigators.

      God Bless.

      • Mike G

        I still believe that only terrorists from the middle east did this job. I don’t buy the thermite bs either, explosives work so much faster

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Actually called “Super Thermite”…not nano-thermite. They must have changed their term.

        Oh…and it’s your right to not believe that the thermite is in the dust. But your wrong if you do so as he indeed did find it in the dust. Believe what you want…you can lead the horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

        God Bless.

  • Colleen

    My parents saw what was left of the jet, at the Pentagon. My step-dad had recently retired from the Pentagon, and he said that a friend, that still worked there, saw the jet headed towards the building. Jet, not missile.

    • Lynnette

      Colleen, how old are you? How much wreckage did they say they saw…a whole plane? Or was it just little scraps placed here and there? And a friend of your step-dad’s? Please, just how gullible are you?

      • http://yahoo wendell

        lynnette, the question is, how sane are you to believe this garbage about conspiracy on 9-11. Do you insane people even have a brain that can make intelligent decisions on any thing. I didn’t think so.

        • Lynnette

          Actually Colleen, I’m quite sane and quite intelligent. I did do my homework and I didn’t take someone’s word as to what happened. More than I can say for you who is taking someone’s word for it, even if it is your parent’s. They had/have a lot to lose if they speak out, especially if they work/worked at the Pentagon. All that shows is that your parents weren’t stupid.

      • TIME

        Dear Wendell,

        And you base you’re opinon’s on just what again?

        Peace and Love

      • Mike G

        maybe Colleen is a little smarter than you are, at least someone she knows saw something, what do you have??

    • Operation Mindcrime

      he saw the plane or he saw something that he thought was the plane…like he saw something then later heard it was a plane and so he now thinks what he saw was a plane. planes are pretty fast. unlike in cartoon land, this so called plane would have had to fly through a bunch of poles and lines across the street or something in order to hit the way it did. I could be wrong but I read that it was next to impossible for this plane to hit where it did without hitting a lot of stuff before which it did not.
      but my point is how clearly did he see “it”

      • Mike G

        you hit the nail on the head when you said “I could be wrong”
        have you seen the area?? do you know thespeed and angle of the plane and was the anything in the planes path?? Engage your brain before you open your mouth ,otherwise you may put your foot in it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        OH, I SEE WE HAVE A Queensryche FAN IN THE HOUSE!

    • JC

      Well Colleen, if your Dad says so…
      But I’m still confused as to why the film shown to everyone of the moment just before the plane hit…didn’t show an airplane? I mean a plane that size would be a little difficult to miss wouldn’t it?
      And why was the FBI in such a hurry to collect the data from all of the surveillance cameras in the area? And why haven’t we seen any of those films? Why do we only get the one film from the one angle that still doesn’t seem to show an airplane hitting the building?
      And since the tail fan is is taller than the 4 story building, why is the roof completely in tact for several hours until it collapsed?

      Hmmmm….

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      I have seen a published photo of a missile dressed up with a camouflaged American Airlines fuselage and tail wing to appear to be a plane when in fact it is not.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Sic: I once saw a photo of a transvestite with three boobs. So what?

      • Attaboyslim

        With respect to the Pentagon specifically, a group called Citizens Investigation Team has put together the most comprehensive and detailed investigation into that strike. There is a documentary which includes interviews with Pentagon employees, military personnel, Police Officers, the citgo (or was it Chevron?) gas station where the security tape was seized and even the driver of the infamous Taxi Cab that was seen sitting sideways across I-395 (I think it was the Shirley Highway but it was the black and orange taxi) and it isn’t laced with wild eyed opinions. I recommend it if you’re interested. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/national-security-alert/

  • Dwight Mann

    HOUTON- WE HAVE A PROBLEM. . .
    And it stinks to high heaven.
    I beleive this to be an operation of UN, the NWO, The BANKSTERS, THE list is a long one.
    They need to be held accountable. . .

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Agreed…held accountable by people not linked to the secret societies mentioned above.

      Independant investigation by loyalists to the Constitution without ties to Them. Such people do exist but the panel would have to be researched to prove no ties first in order to ensure a unbiased result. Most would have military service…imho.

      God Bless.

    • JC

      Yep, I believe you’ve nailed it.

  • Chris

    What this country needs is an organization that keeps continual tabs on what the government does and investigates EVERYTHING and reports back to the people.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      You echo what I’m saying above…but the panel must be unbiased & not connected to the NWO. Unfortunately, the NWO & UN does involve the Free Masons/Illuminati.

      God Bless.

  • Robert G. Perrin

    This makes for stimulating reading–conspiracies always do. But is there any hard evidence to support this line of thought?

    • Lynnette

      Spend some time in the deep end of Youtube. It’s a good place to start. Some is whacky, most is not. Eventually you will find yourself tracking down info all over the internet. Do your homework.

    • Operation Mindcrime

      well that is the point of people telling you these things. to stimulate your mind and break out of the trance. what you believe is up to you but until you attempt to find out then your just a programmed voting machine. the info is out there and believe me there is a lot

    • American Girl

      Two very comprehensive sites;

      911truth.org
      letsrollforums.com

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      ae911truth.org
      pilotsfor911truth.org
      septemberclues.info
      Christopher Bollyn’s website is very comprehensive too about the unreported evil behavior of the Mossad presently running the State of Israel

  • Robert “Mutley” K.

    In reading the comments and the article I have to wonder a couple of things. If, and I say if, the article is true and George W. Bush did indeed conspired to have planes crash into the Towers and the Pentagon, then he has committed clost to 3000 murders. Would someone care to comment on why he and his conspirators have not been arrested and tried for mass murder? All comments welcomed, even those from idiots.

    • Lynnette

      He is one of the members of the elite families that is conspiring for global dominance. Do you really think a fair haired child would be subject to the laws of “the common”?

    • Operation Mindcrime

      you cant touch the government with a 10 foot pole. do you ever see them lose a case in court? not really , cause you cant take them to court. GWB passed legislation after 911 that prevents him and anyone else he worked with from being prosecuted. look it up. even if he didnt people are scared and that is why people who may know something never talk. there are plenty of people who worked in the government/ CIA/ FBI etc that are speaking out. you have to look for them. Youtube is a great place to find info but the government is pulling videos off daily to keep the info from people .

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Oh…We the People will indeed touch them once we get galvanized and on the same sheet of paper. Only the truth sets us on such a path and this is why THEY want to sensor the internet.

        The Dots add up like math.

        God Bless.

    • Operation Mindcrime

      oh and GWB is related to the old English Royalty….Robert The Bruce actually. lol..

    • Mike G

      only idiots with an answer will reply..lol

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      All of our MSM are controlled by the CIA and likely also Mossad agents.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    What occurred on September 11th, 2001 is a matter of
    facts, physics and unprecedented violations of national
    protocol by American officials themselves.
    Here are 10 points to consider.
    There are hundreds more.

    1. No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.

    2. No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11
    passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the hijackers.

    3. On September 11th, 2001 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft-–an
    unprecedented operation. Yet it could not successfully scramble any jet fighters that
    day-–a normal procedure occurring over 100 times a year.

    4. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was
    not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September 11th, in
    the exact manner of a controlled demolition.

    5. There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in
    Pennsylvania-–only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.

    6. Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 degrees F. Steel melts at 2750 degrees F. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 degrees F in open air. Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents of the buildings could have caused the towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail.

    7. Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to
    8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airplanes fly at
    30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help
    by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.

    8. 9/11 was immediately declared an “act of war” by President Bush. The rubble from
    Ground Zero was carted away and the steel sold off without examination.

    9. Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two
    airlines involved in 9/11-–American and United. Federal law protects their identities.

    10. Accepting victims’ compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery
    through litigation.

    Yep, those 19 box cutter armed “Arabs” did it…and anyone who believes that must also believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and that the world is flat with big monsters that will eat your ship…I get SOOOOO sick of the brain dead lemmings that swallow anything the “government” tells then as fact. FOOLS to believe that PSYCHOPATHS that run this country and every country on this planet wouldn’t do what PSYCHOPATHS do best. LIE, MURDER, CHEAT, STEAL, ROB, RAPE and would do it to you in a heartbeat. So, Mr. and Mrs. Cognitive dissonance numbed down American…have at your kool aid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    Oh, and for all you “Christians” who have a love affair with the bastard state of Israel, go to Veterans Today and search for Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Jewish-US War College Professor) who claims that the MOSSAD was the main mover in this catastrophe. I just KNOW you wouldn’t believe him because after all, “IsraeLIE” is full of “God’s” chosen…gag me with a place setting.

    • http://na Mike in NE

      Mark Are Reynolds, finally a comment about Israel that I totally agree with. They are in bed with the same monsters that we’re finding out about here, no difference, none, zip. OK, have at me.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        I make the effort to share this information because it gives me, at last, a plausible answer to a long-unanswered question: Why, no matter how much intelligent goodwill exists in the world, is there so much war, suffering and injustice? It doesn’t seem to matter what creative plan, ideology, religion, or philosophy great minds come up with, nothing seems to improve our lot. Since the dawn of civilization, this pattern repeats itself over and over again.

        The answer is that civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been built on slavery and mass murder. Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, cheat, steal, torture, manipulate, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse, in order to establish their own sense of security through domination. The inventor of civilization – the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers – was almost certainly a genetic psychopath. Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies – especially military hierarchies.

        Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as their power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld – the overlapping criminal syndicates that lurk above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it.

        During the past fifty years, psychopaths have gained almost absolute control of all the branches of government. You can notice this if you observe carefully that no matter what illegal thing a modern politician does, no one will really take him to task. All of the so called scandals that have come up, any one of which would have taken down an authentic administration, are just farces played out for the public, to distract them, to make them think that the democracy is still working.

        Continued:
        whale(dot)to/b/callahan1(dot)html

  • http://none Hughes

    Simply watching with an eagle eye and focusing on the videotape of the burning WTC is self-explanatory of GWB’s big lies to cover up lots of things known and unknown. Key word is money… an obscene love of money… greed here at home and in Iraqi oil by GWB and Dick Cheney, billionaires incognito. Am sick and tired of deceptive Republican supply side voodoo economics and countless trickle down lies. We’ve had voodoo economics since Ronald Reagan, for more than 30 years until the worst 112th Congress currently and look where it’s gotten us.What this country and our economy really need is bubble up, demand-side economic policies, the kind that will give the poor and the middle class more money to spend and less to the already rich. Try that for a change and watch how fast the economy will pick up just like the boom-years immediately after World War II. Not these stupid crazy Romney/Ryan ideas of making the rich, richer and the poor, poorer. Have you not had enough of Romney/Ryan lies, flip-flops, deceit and falsehood? We the people should be sending Romney packing to stay permanently in the Caymans and Switzerland where this Mormon bishop Willard Mitt Romney has been hiding his millions if not billions of dollars offshore in order to evade paying taxes since his founding of Bain Capital 29 years ago in 1983. Tax evaders like Romney are the same as draft dodgers and traitors to the USA; definitely he is not a patriot in having fled to France to dodge the draft, and have no business trying to lead 350 million Americans and tell “we the people” deceitfully how much more taxes to pay while exempting himself, Paul Ryan, the dishonest, and their fellow millionaires and billionaires to pay zero taxes at our expense. Having fooled 99% of Americans in a bogus claim of tax return theft, slick Mitt has adamantly refused to release 23-year tax returns shown to maverick McCain, ten-year tax returns of which he paid zero taxes with IRS amnesty included and foreign sources of income. Would you want a tax fraudster and a tax cheat as your president against your best interests? Is this how low, dumb and stupid we Americans have stooped and become to even consider unprosecuted criminals, both rotten to the core: a deceitful flip-flopping ex-governor and a corrupt, dishonest congressman for the highest positions in the USA and the world at large?

    • chris

      How do you really feel troll?

    • Mike G

      If you had anything important to say I would reply to your stupidity BS..

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Naaaa…it’s better to have a communist illegal alien as president.

  • MarathonMan

    The Kooks are out in force today, and Ben is laughing his ass off!

    • JC

      Are you at an Occupy gathering? LOL

  • GW

    ATTABOY, BOB!!! Once again you do a great service to humanity and mankind with the presentation of this article. You sure stirred up a hornet’s nest! I can’t remember being so entertained by the frothing sociopathic rantings of the omnipresent elements of obfuscation divisiveness and misdirection that haunt this site- their eyes must be bulging halfway out of their sockets and their veins are fit to burst! This story WILL NEVER DIE!!! As stated so eloquently by the vast majority of great Americans on this blog who call the 9/11 false flag operation correctly, 99% of the world now do not believe the official government story- and there’s no wonder as to why that is- AND THE MOST OBVIOUS CONCLUSION TO BE REACHED IS THAT THE PERPETRATORS OF THE SCHEME ARE UTTERLY INCOMPETENT BUNGLING FOOLS WHO ARE INFERIOR IN INTELLECT AND MIND AND UNWORTHY OF THEIR SELF APPOINTED STATUS OF UNASSAILABLE SUPERIORITY. THEY FOOL NO ONE AND I FEEL THEY WILL [PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES. Their ranting is due to their smelling blood in the water- AND THE BLOOD IS THEIR OWN.

    • Lynnette

      GW, your last name isn’t Bush by any chance, is it?

      • JC

        hahahahaa Good One!

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        For some reason I sure miss the connection…

  • Operation Mindcrime

    so you acknowledge FALSE FLAGS are real? cause wether or not you believe what kooks are saying, they are real military strategies. Its not something made up.

    Patriot Act, it was sold as a way for the gub to listen and watch them brown people. They said it was not going to be used on Americans. Well it is . they lie.

    NDAA Act of 2012 . Supposed to be for allocating money to military but it also states in there people can be killed by the gov. or imprisoned without legal trial or anything.

    Just like the Patriot Act , it will be used against us.

    you people not paying attention will not think its funny when its too late to speak out.

    Wether you believe theories or not. You need to realize that the gov. does all kinds of things we do not know. they have plans and strategies and none of it is for your benefit.

    you think that the government would not come up with the plans if they didnt intend to use them? and you think its only for muslim or brown people? naive.

    it would be wise of people to start looking at things in different way because the info is right in your face.

  • mary beardslee

    Remember Cheney was down in white house bunker telling Norad to stand down, Cannot forget Bush reading Pet Goat upside down when given the news he already knew. Check out Northwoods-Pentagon went to Kennedy when Pres. they wanted to bomb our own Navy ships and a few buildings in Miami and say it was Cuba. The minute 9/11 happened many of were on our phones saying “Inside Job” But American sheeple do want to think their own gov’t would do such a thing. The greatest threat to us is our gov’t. It does not matter if it is repubs or demo’s they are all on the take for themselves greed and taking away our rights everyday, using 9/11 as their reason. Cheney-Bush-did this along with many others. Why was Jessie Ventura taken off the air? Simple he examined 9/11 and their was so much proof-he was removed recently from tv. Every other country has stated inside job so why has it taken so long for Americans to wake up? Dumb down?

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Let’s go back to 1898. The Battleship Maine blew up in Cuba because of where gun powder was stored letting it get hot and explode. An advocate of war with Spain, the owners of Cuba, were accused by William Randolph Hurst, an advocate of war, for doing it, War ensued.
    WW1 The ocean liner Lusitania was deiberately sent into sub infested waters without an escort. Because it was loaded with ordinance for England, the Germans torpedoed it, not without letting us know it would be sunk. War ensued.
    WW2 FDR deliberately put an oil embargo around Japan with the intent of goading the Japanese into War. War ensued
    Korea? That was the first time America went to war without a declaration of war
    Viet Nam We were lied to president Johnson about a Vietnamese torpedo boat attacking one of our ships. War with Viet Nam ensued
    1967 war between the Arabs and Zionist. The Zionist attacked the USS Liberty for the purpose of sinking it and blaming the Egyptians to get us into their war on Zionist side
    9/11 There is much evidence showing Bush knew the attack would coccur. Even the THREE buildings that imploded coming down is very suspicious. 9/11 Got the government TSA, HS, THE PATRIOT ACT, the war in Iraq.
    War with Iran? The bogus Iranian nukes will get that.
    Syria? The propaganda about humanitarianism will get that

    Over one hundred years of lies and deception. When are we going to wake up?

    • Operation Mindcrime

      Good examples. some of which I did not know. thx

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Oops! I forgot the wars with Iraq. Bush Sr.’s. war in 1991 was because Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraq and stealing oil and Saddam did something about. At the same time Saddam started selling oil for EU’s, not dollars Bush Sr. punished him.
      Bush, the shrub, Jr. started his war using 9/11 as the pretense. Bush’s base in Saudi Arabia was in jeopardy and he decided to takeover Iraq. We’d been bombing Iraq for 10 years so they were softened, he thought.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Excellent post, The Christian American. Excellent…

      God Bless.

    • TIME

      Dear Christian,

      Great post! Simply great, you get it. Thanks You!

      Peace and LOVE

  • Chris P

    You should remind people that it was a Republican government in power at that time. A government that lied all the time. This story is written by a Republican and is therefore suspect too. Thanks for confirming that Republicans are nothing but conspiracy theorists.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      The war in 1898, WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam— Democrats
      Iraq, Libya—Republican They’re REPUBLICRATS all. Read “War is a racket” by USMC Major General Smedley Butler, a two time Congressional medal of honor winner. It’s on the net.

    • American Girl

      When will you morons get it? Republicans/democrats… left/right… exist only in your mind. This is a false paradigm brought to you by the same controllers responsible for 911. Hmmm… fascism/communism… which would you prefer? In either case, you’re screwed! The idea of a constitutional republic is just that… an idea. The constitution was being undermined and systematically dismantled before the ink was dry on the document.

      • TIME

        Dear AG,

        Great post again!

        I use the {Iron First, or the Iron Fist in a velvet glove} They are the very same, one just hurts a tad less.

        Peace and LOVE

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Bob Livingston is not a republican(I see no reason to capitalize the “R” any longer), and I highly suspect he would be offended at you accusing him of such. He is something I suspect you cannot perceive – a Constitutional Conservative Libertarian.

  • marsupial

    I knew the day it happened that it was a hoax. Why? Because I was a regular Alex Jones listener (at Infowars.com) and for months he had been begging people to call their reps and insist that the govt.(sic) not fly planes into the wtc and try to blame it on their asset, Bin Laden. How did he know? Says he’d been reading govt.(sic) docs. All I know is what I heard on his show prior to the event.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      America built a base in Saudi Arabia right near holy ground. Soldiers brought Playboy, Hustler and their like into the country. It caused such a furor for bin Laden and his like that it caused 9/11. Bush had to get out of Saudi Arabia and was looking for a base of operations, He killed three birds with one stone. Greatly expanded DC’s power over the people. Made Iraq as the base he needed. Got Iraqi oil sold for dollars, not EU’s

      • Karolyn

        Where do you get this stuff?

      • Kate8

        Some people actually dig for the truth, Karolyn. Ferret it out, spend time looking. They don’t just accept what comes over the alphabet channels on TV.

        No mystery about that.

  • Rebecca

    When the hijackers of the planes on 9/11/2001 crashed the planes into the World Trade Center, and the Pentegon the cries of Allahu Akbar were heard by the Airtraffic Control Tower workers. The Conspiracy is not that 9/11 was an inside job. The Conspiracy is that the Islamist and their allies are using this Conspiracy Theory along with Political Correctness as an excuse to take away our freedoms. Instead of being truthful and naming the enemy by what they themselves have called themselves, Islamist Jihadist we have to watch what we say, and go through security screening when we board a plane. A so called security screening where if you are Moslem they do not dare screen you too closely least they offend. In other words, it’s not about being safe-it’s about control!!

    • Lynnette

      You just keep thinking that little Lady. Although the Islamic pot is being stirred to a boiling point, it is being manipulated to the benefit of the NWO. It has from the start. They are the scapegoat and they are stupid enough to take to the bait just as a dog will to a game of tug-of-war with a bone. Our CIA has done a very good job indeed. Wake up and do your homework.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Stupid enough to take the bait? What about us?

      • Kate8

        Christian – Touche!

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Five members of the Zionist Mossad were caught on top of a building in New Jersey laughing and cheering as they watched 9/11 taking place when they were caught.

      • Karolyn

        Do you have a cite for this info?

      • Kate8

        Wow, Karolyn. I saw such videos. Where were you at the time?

        I’m sure a search would turn up something if you are interested.

        It blows me away of just how little you are aware.

      • Whit

        REF: Five members of the Zionist Mossad were caught on top of a building in New Jersey

        Numerous sources available:

        http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

        Cheers

    • MarathonMan

      Rebecca;
      You are correct about “favoritism” toward muslims. It kind of an affirmative action for another minority group as evidenced by Major Nadil Malik Hasan.
      Now who in the heck is this guy????
      The Ft Hood Muslim Murderer…… undeserved promotions in rank, was never questioned about his ties to muslim extremists, and OBAMA of all people tried to cover Hasans Muslim terrorists sympathies . Now that is PC in action, isn’t it?

      Gee, I wonder who stirred Nadil MalikHasan’ pot?

  • jopa

    One of the main points most of the engineers are missing out on is the towers were a first in how they were constructed.They did not use conventional building techniques so when the towers did collapse they would not fall as expected.One of the main features within the towers were the elevator shafts that were located exactly within the center of the structure making that the strong point.One way to picture this is a stack of cardboard boxes with a flag pole up the center.After the fires burned for a certain amount of time the steel would be overburdened and finally give in to the weight of the floors above.Then it was just a matter of gravity taking over and the floors just took the easiest route down and basically followed along the elevator shafts.However if the above conspiracy theory is true then Romney must also be planning an attack on America to get us into Iran and Syria..The choice should be clear Obama 2012.

    • MarathonMan

      JOPA; This is one of the most non-partisan posts you have ever offered on this site. That is until your last sentence. Had you left that out you might have gained some respect . To bad you destroyed a decent explanation with a partisan blurb.

  • Lynnette

    LOL…we’re pretty dumb too. They’ve had lots of practice doing what they are doing.

  • Jenasus

    9/11 was a conspiracy to take away our rights of privacy and start a world war on so called terrorists.
    Dick Cheney ordered the imploding of the twin towers and building 7 in New York on Tuesday September 11th 2001.
    The people in power want to go to the New World Order.
    After we go to war with Iran, in a few weeks, Obama will declare Martial Law and life as we know it will end in America.
    There will not be an election this year.
    The dollar and the Euro are doomed.
    The governemnt will try to make it seem like the world is ending according to Revelations in the Bible.
    The elctrical grid will be knocked out. There will be food shortages. People will be taken to FEMA Concentration Camps and killed by the governnment just like in Nazi Germany.
    It is coming people whether you face the truth or not is up to you.
    Be prepared America. Expect the worst but hope for the best.

    • Karolyn

      I just can’t wait til you’re proven wrong! :-)

      • Kate8

        We all hope this does not come to pass, Karolyn. That is why there are opposition factions feverishly working to prevent it.

        Unfortunately for us, this does appear to be the plan. It’s all documented and available to anyone who wants to seek it out.

      • JC

        Buy a gun and some food, water and medical supplies anyway Karolyn.

      • Deerinwater

        I’m not sure what good a gun would be, 500 hundred guns maybe but one or two guns?

      • JC

        deerinwater, unless you plan to arm the neighborhood, you can only fire one at a time accurately.

        • deerinwater

          And that is what must be done, build an army. A single person is only buying minutes while an army buys days and years.

          Myself, my hobby is crafting canons. I have tiny ones and large ones. They are fun to build.

      • JC

        Cool. :)

  • MarathonMan

    To much emphasis on Bush and conspiracy, and to little on the physics of the event.
    A post above cites the melting point of steel and then says, “the fire did not get hot enough”.
    O well I suspect he has a point about “melting steel” and that justifies the
    “Rosie O Donnel ” conspiracy theory buffs. So let try to put this in layman’s terms. Fact is the steel did not have to melt, it only needed to become ” plastic” enough to lose its compressive and load bearing strength. And that indeed did happen. The collapse was a cascading event which for most is a difficult physical event to understand; especially trying for those who lack knowledge of “beam design” and “strength of materials”. And yes, theorist from both from both camps will camps argue this forever based on political bias. However, most all (non partisan) structural engineers disagree on the conspiracy theory as related to the building collapse.

    So, if there is ME (SE) out there that wants to take this building collapse subject further it would be great to hear a more rational discourse.

    • John

      The building accelerated at the speed of a free falling object though structure that was not exposed to Jet fuel. Only a small area of the building would be inclined to deform due to heat. The top section should have fallen over, as the impact damage was asymmetric, and the lower section should have remained mostly intact.

      If you can’t see this type of collapse is impossible without demolition, then you don’t understand basic dynamics and should not comment.

      Furthermore, Building 7 collapsed in a similar free fall manner and was not even hit by a plane.

      JS- BSME, UCLA

      • jopa

        John: Building 7 had nowhere to go but straight down in a similar fashion.

      • John

        Your writing that Building 7 “Had no place to go” shows a total ignorance of basic physics. Why did you even comment?

        For a building to collapse symmetrically, at free fall acceleration, ALL SUPPORT COLUMNS must release ALL support simultaneously. This could never, ever, ever happen in the real would due to asymmetric damage.

        JS – BSME, UCLA

      • TIME

        Dear John,

        Great Post!

        I recall speaking with an engineer about the towers years ago 2004 ish, as I recall he stated that these uints were disigned to take hits from at least four much larger planes per unit.
        I recall his saying that all Tall buildings also have a “flex point” built in, so they sway in high winds etc..

        Peace and LOVE

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear MarathonMan,

      You write: “However, most all (non partisan) structural engineers disagree on the conspiracy theory as related to the building collapse.” This is not true. See http://ae911truth.org/. Watch the CPT documentary linked to at the end of the column.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • MarathonMan

        Hello Bob:
        Thank you for the website WTC referral. After 1:31 hr’s I came away same skepticism as from viewing an earlier version. I acknowledge the15,000 AIA membership and I fully appreciate the Hi Power Technical folks too. I respect their opinions however as stated early in the video, “there was no forensic evidence gathered, maintained, and or examined….” 400 truck loads a day carted off to the scrap where it was sifted for remains and the scrap metal sold to China”. (Wonder if the did the forensics. )
        I admit 1:31 hrs of circumstantial evidence makes for great entertainment TV is compelling but still lacking in irrefutable evidence which is necessary before I pin this on our government; and believe me, that would be so easy and comforting, based on how the government can screw over it citizens.

        The fact remains, for these buildings to have been intentionally destroyed it would take a team of demolitionists and many hours to rig the charges. So, when did this all happen? Certainly not on the same day as the attack. If this were a conspiracy the government would have had to orchestrate this well in advance and then set the stage with muslim hijackers and then get Osama to take all the credit, What a masterful operation that would have been.

        Had our government wanted to create a crisis for war there were far easier options that could have served the same purpose . They did not have to destroy the WTC, the Pentagon and put a plane down in Pennsylvania to justify starting a war. The “Gulf of Tonkin” is an excellent example.

        On a personal note: Building Manager, Mr Rick Rescorla, of the WTC was personally responsible for saving 2,700 occupants on that fateful day. He knew every inch of the buildings, and controlled them with tight security. Sfter the first attack ,n othing happened in those building that he did not know about. He and would have never stood to have “his buildings” pre-wired for demolition and certainly would have blown the whistle on any pre-wiring of demolitions. Rascorla was considered by some to be extreme in protecting the building and its occupants. In actuality, he was a visionary in that he alone was fully aware of risks and stated: “that the towers represented an attractive target” and took measures to have mandatory practice drills for building evacuation every three months. Mr. Rescorla died when he went back into the building looking for stragglers. He have not done that knowing that the building was on fire had been pre-wired with explosives.

        If the WTC is a government conspiracy, we will only know for sure when the next “Deep Throat” (as in Watergate) comes forward and leads the NYT to the biggest story they will ever publish. All that is needed is one person to blow the whistle with incontrovertible evidence. Till then, the physics of the conspiracy theory makes for interesting debate just like theKennedy assignation or the Mayan Doomsday Calendar fables. In conclusion, if you haven’t done so read/ google: World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories. ( wikipedia) There you will find as may counter points to the conspiracy, as you will find in favor. So, pick you side; knock yourself out.

        Thank you for your work, its always stimulating and the postings always interesting if not sometimes bizarre.

    • Mike G

      the only degree most of these know it all idiots have is a BS degree, and I don’t mean bachelor of science

  • T. Jefferson

    Did the planes hit the towers? Yes, the video from several sources shows they did. Were the buildings brought down by controlled explosions? Yes, most if not all of the tallest buildings in New York are wired to blow to keep them from falling sideways. This is done to minimize damage and loss of life from the collapse of a building that would send debris out for several blocks depending on how it fell. As tall as some of those buildings are, the domino effect could literally knock down several in a row.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear T.Jefferson,

      You write: “Yes, most if not all of the tallest buildings in New York are wired to blow to keep them from falling sideways.” Please provide proof of this.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • jopa

        T. Jefferson;I don’t know if you are serious or not but that is truly funny in a way.Are you a writer for Steven Colbert.I would expect to hear something like that from him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    Nearly 50 years later the Warren Commision Report is still the official government version of the JFK assassination…

  • John

    9//11 was an IQ test for America and America failed. The official story is a lie based on physics, period. If you are not smart enough to understand the physics of the building collapses or use critical thinking to evaluate the other inconsistencies in the official 9/11 story then stay out of the argument. Don’t just make some general statement to make yourself feel better. If we don’t expose 9/11 to at least 30% of the population, free America is finished.

    • Gordon

      John, ignoring the 9/11 controversy, If we take a good solid look at The United States of America as we have known it to be for 200+ yrs, all intelligent people will assert that this Republic is on a downward spiral to collapse. Regardless if an asteroid hits, solar flares wipe out everything, drought causes famine,, etc., or even Jesus comes back; The great liberal social experiment of the ’60s has come to fruition. Life as we have known it is coming to an end. Grandpa often said, “The next depression will make the 1930′s look like a church picnic.” Grandpa 1886-1966

      • Mike G

        grandpa was a smart man, he saw it before we did.

      • john

        …regardless what you conspiracy nuts think, it’s still hard to believe, (the story), and full grown adults falls for the b.s…….and waste of time. i’am more concerned about the communist, in the oval office!!

      • Gordon

        Lots of people foresaw the downfall of society implemented by the hippies values and the liberals.

  • jopa

    John;All here agree to fredom of speech and I always felt comments were welcome by all.This is not an engineering symposium however engineers are even welcome.Sometimes general statements are the wisest.

    • John

      This discussion is critical to the future of our nation and the world. People must become aware that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth base their conclusions solely on science and engineering. One should try to understand the science before confusing the issue with incorrect generalizations. It’s just too important of an issue. People are finally seeing how criminal those in power really are. There is hope.

      I asked why you commented. I did not say you aren’t allow to comment. Most of the time general statement are the most invalid and destructive.

      JS – BSME, UCLA

  • dan luster

    Whenever someone posits a theory ,turning conventional opinion on its head,and another questions their conspiracy, the response is always, “Open your mind!” Anyone who can operate a mouse and use a search engine becomes not only an engineer, physicist, architect and foreign policy expert all at once ,because, after all,”Open your mind.” “Do your research.” “It’s on the internet you rube!” Much of the science behind the 9/11 conspiracies has long ago been debunked by none other than Popular Mechanics. Are they part of the Trilateral Comission or Bilderburger Society?Maybe the theories about 9/11 were created by the Bush administration to cover up its own incompetence that day. I’m sure that conspiracy is out there as well. I’ll neither waste my time finding out, nor waste any more time reading the bilge on this site.

    • John

      Popular Mechanic’s arguments are a smoke screen to cover the truth and in no way invalidate the hard science of Architect and Engineers for 9/11 truth. It’s just so much less scary to accept PM’s false conspiracies theories, isn’t it.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Dan,

      The PM Article you are referencing defending the government’s absurd position was written by none other than Benjamin Chertoff, a cousin of Michael Chertoff, Bush’s US Deputy Attorney General who oversaw the destruction of all of the evidence of 911. All of the steel was shipped off overseas and smelted in Chinese and Japanese factories. Michael Chertoff is a dual Israeli/American citizen like many of the perpetrators of 911. His father is/was a rightwing Orthodox rabbi and Mossad agent who likely preaches and observes Halakhah from the Talmud when it comes to Gentiles, meaning he likely has no qualms about killing and using Gentiles for the greater good of Israel. In Jewish Halakhah, Gentiles are perceived as nothing more than servants and cattle to be used by Jews as they see fit. Halackah justifies usury and even murder of Gentiles. It is taught routinely to Israeli IDF as justification for treating the Arabs and Christians harshly.

      http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm

      http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis.htm

  • L D

    It takes weeks if not months to set up a building to implode. Girders, support coulumns would have to be weakened, exposives would have to be placed at many many spots throughout the building and would have taken weeks if not months and no one noticed or observed that?
    Also the number of people having to be involved would be so massive that not everyone could be silent.
    They also said that no plane hit the Pentagon yet the tail of the Amewrocan Airline plane was promanent in the photo. The Bush haters are kooks who will believe anything

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear L D,

      You write: “They also said that no plane hit the Pentagon yet the tail of the Amewrocan Airline plane was promanent in the photo.” Please provide a link showing this.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • TIME

      Dear LD,

      Do you have any idea how many people come and went in the WTC buildings daily? Any idea at all? Many Thousands per day.

      There, was a Great Restrurant known as; Windows on the World that would have tons of people every day by its self.

      There were always workers in the buildings, as in hundreds per day! That equals Thousands of sub contractors per year, let alone the people just walking around looking at the art works, or going to a law firm, stock broker, Banks, Accountants, Restrurants, etc. etc. etc.. It was called the “World Trade Towers” for a very good reason, there were tons of offices with people from all over the world in them!
      Get it?
      World Trade…

      My God man – these building were not closed up to the public.

      Peace and LOVE

      • John Illinois

        While it is true that probably hundreds of thousands of people come and go through a building like World Trade Center, but none of them are stripping protection off columns, wrapping explosives around columns, stringing wire, etc like would have to be done to explosively demolish the building.

      • TIME

        Dear John,

        You have no idea what was done within any buildings, let
        alone the WTC building. Thus your post is Null and Void by that alone.

        let alone the CIA, the NSA and the FBI all hade offices in WTC #7.
        So how can you even begin to think they would not be able to allow anyone they so wished into these units to do what they needed done.

        Within what were my offices we had work persons doing stuff all the time, to be quite frank about it, I nor anyone else had the time to watch what these workers were doing. Yes, they were using tools of all kinds making all kinds of noise, painting cutting replacing and what ever construction people do.
        These units are not your home, they are “massive building structures” that held thousands of workers who all had jobs to do, of what one was not follow around subcontractors doing their work.

        All that aside, if you have the leasse contract on the #1 place in New York City – known as the ICONS of the NYC let alone the world, Why is it that Larry Silverstein’s office was not in the WTC units top floors were the views were to die for?
        Think about it, you are alledgely the Owners / Lease agent of these Units, and yet your office is not in them? REALLY, come on people!

        I pray that Americans start to think out of the box soon.

        Peace and LOVE

      • JC

        John, I saw an interview conducted with an office worker who had been in the WTC for some 25 years. The interview was on youtube. The worker said that his entire office had been cleared for some 10 days while “security” guys with duffle bags and other equipment were apparently conducting an inspection of some kind. This happened some 3 weeks before the planes hit. Make me wonder that’s for sure…especially since Marvin Bush was involved with both WTC and Airport security in NYC.
        http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

    • gene r

      To the contrary it would take a massive conspiracy to be carried out successfully. A small coterie of conspirator such as the Lincoln conspirators could be tried and prosecuted.
      The Kennedy assassination was massive and no matter how many have tried to talk none of the real assassins were ever prosecuted. The Warren Commission tale is still the official account.
      9/11 is indeed massive. The perps were none other than the State Of Israel which as Ariel Sharon says “owns America”. Their spies and agents have access and are in positions of authority in every sphere of our government and society. Working with our zioinst leaders it was a “slam dunk” that their treachery would never be prosecuted.

      Our government would cover for them just as they did in the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty

      As Lyndon Johnson said, he was not going to embaras our friends over a few sailors.

      This conspiracy will never be exposed by any of our three branches of government or the 4th estate for the very reason that it is so massive. It would bring down, in all probability the enrtire western alliance.

    • Mike G

      Glad to see someone here with a little sense, I posted several hours ago about the time and effort to do this. I never worked for a buildings domolition contractor . I have extensive explosive experience as a Korean vet USMC, I was an “Explosive Ordnance disposat Techiician. You are absolutely correct in saying it would have taken many weeks, if not months to set up both buildings, and at the same time no one would question what is all this stuff coming in here. this conspiacy thing is pure BS from beginning to ent perpetuated by the liberal Bush haters(not that I am a big Bush fan, lets get rid of the hype and politics and stock to facts.

      • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

        Mike,

        The over 200 Israeli Mossad agents in NYC had easy access to the Towers because the two principal owners of the security and miantenance firm for the Towers were none other than Marvin Bush, the President’s younger brother, and Wirt Walker II, their first cousin. Many vans were seen at graveyard shift hours coming tothe towers for “maintenance”. There were scheduled power shutdowns for several weeks prior to 911. Cameras were also powered down during these power shutdowns to hide evidence on camera. There was ample opportunity to plant these explosives contrary to the offical line of bullbleep coming from the CIA-controlled MSM. If you are ex-military as I am, do yourself and your Brothers-in-Arms a favor and wake up andf sprwad the word far and wide! Our Brothers-in-Arms are dying and being maimed needlessly over nothing more than a hideously evil lie.

  • SJJolly

    Q: Who in the G.W. Bush administration was smart enought to have set-up such a conspiracy, successfully? “The proof that George W. Bush didn’t do it is — it worked..”
    As to hanging all kinds of “Christmas orniments” on 9/11 after it happened, yes, they did.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      George Bush was like the guy riding in the back seat of a getaway car used for a liquor store holdup…once he realized what he was involved in, he just shut up. Anyone evil enough to kill 3,000 plus people is evil enough to kill him in an instance…Kennedy? Garfield? Lincoln? Attempted on Reagan?

      • Lynnette

        Mark, you just keep believing that. Bush is proud of what he did. He did not get caught up in it and be along for the ride. Watch his hands in all his videos, he makes a gesture that is the salute, so does darling Hilary. Keep an eye on all our politicians, royals and celebrities and see how often that gesture is made. Coincidence? I think not.

  • donna

    I also have a problem with 9/11. but, iam also tired of all these conspiracy theories and scare tactics. and it is getting old. sorry.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Isn’t it soooo much easier NOT to know this and live in ignorant bliss?

    • American Girl

      The “conspiracy theory” goes like this;

      “19 muslims, being directed by a sheepish terrorist from a cave in Afghanistan, (who just happened to be in the hospital under cia surveillance) using box cutters, overpowered 4 seasoned (ex-military fighter) pilots and, although they couldn’t control a cesna, pulled off incredible maneuvers at speeds and altitudes that would have been impossible for the original seasoned pilots. Even though all 4 planes vaporized on contact (no plane wreckage), 1 of the hijackers was identified, as his passport somehow managed to get out of his pocket, out of the plane and survive on the NY street below. Even though an investigation into a trivial crime may take weeks, we were able to discern, in a matter of a couple of hours, who all the hijackers were and who was behind them”

      Donna, I know you are scared… so am I. The scare tactics, though, have been brought to you by this corrupt government. And, it is working, as we have been conditioned, over the past 11 years, to submit to unthinkable personal intrusions, especially as offered up by the TSA… which is already making it’s way to bus/train stations, malls, and even highway checkpoints.

      Just because information is uncomfortable, does not mean it is a conpiracy theory. If you are CERTAIN that what has been presented by the 9/11 truth movement can’t be true, please, bring some proof, so we can all get it right. God less you!

  • http://msfraud.org Greg Collins

    I filled Federal RICO racketeering suit case 06C 0545 Il. NE district alleging massive nationwide securities based mortgage fraud. With the help of Nye Lavalle and I developed the money trail of fraudulent mortgages designed to fail due to my real estate investment and investment experience inclusive of options and futures .In Sept 1999 Ameriquest sent me a check in the mail for a cash out refie I never agree to or signed for and 30 days later sent me a 90 days late foreclosure notice, I had several hundred thousand in equity and all my late model vehicles and construction equipment were paid for cash. I would never get 14% juice loan. Soon police began following me arresting me on false charges harasing me intimidating me, and judges began physically destroying evidence in the court room and county officials hid and destroyed my property records. The criminal I subpoenaed to Fed court was Roland Arnal who set up 53 shell corps to illegally fund Bushes 2004 election and run John McCain’s 2008 campaign. Bush made Arnal the ambassador of the Netherlands to evade my subpoena and all the law enforcement and civil action agianst him and to cover up the massive looting of the nation though securities and insurance based fraud. What is less well know is that most of the anti-Islam hysteria, homegrown terrorist, Patriot act, NDAA type legislation and action were promoted by none other than Roland Arnal the primary perpetrator of the current economic collapse actually the straw that broke the camels back since the FED/IRS fractional reserve system doomed to self implode had been in place since 1913. As far as the physics and science behind 911, I was ranked in the top 1/2 of 1% for scientific aptitude through SAT and ACT and have been welding brazing and fabricating metal mostly steel since the late 70′s. I was a North shore Chicago are contractor and real estate investment partner and did all my own structural and architectural drawings, and went to college for 2 ½ years for mechanical engineering technology, and have a trade school degree in HVAC including oil combustion technology and many years in construction and demolition of commercial and residential buildings. I have been held “under investigation” since Jan 2005 when Ventura county sheriffs tried to ram my vehicle off the road during and rainstorm and have never been charged with any crime other than a bogus unlicensed driver charge and I have a safe driving award and no moving violations. The whole Terrorist Patriot act is a smokescreen for the financial crooks looting the country because they were the ones behind both.
    DO the people who belive the official conspiracy theory really think the government would open up the illegal immigration floodgates when we were supposed under attack but sexually molest grandmothers and children for the sake of security at the airports, would it not be simple just to ship a semi-full of terrorists dirty , bombs etc. than to sneak them on an airplane. You have to have some common sense and knowledge and use them to arrive at logical conclusions based on evidence. May God Bless you Bob Livingston. The government’s conspiracy theory is a Jack in the beanstalk absurdity when the simple evidence supported reality is at the least the government allowed the attacks to occur as an excuse and smoke screen for martial law and spying and in my opinion the looting of the country by bank, securities and insurance fraud.
    Let me tell you something and I hope this is crystal clear to a non-engineer two buildings did not fall down at WTC there were 5 self supporting structures that fell the two central elevator core structures, the two external metal birdcage type structures and WTC 7 that would all have completely different collapse charateristics the main towers were self supporting structure inside structures that could not collapse at the same time from a fire.

    • Lynnette

      Well said, Greg Collins!!!!

  • 4204life

    Good article Mr. Livingston. The annuals of history have been bowdlerized by the overseers and their minions. The stranglehold permeates throughout society and renders many from critical awareness. “Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past.” O.W./Blair

    • 4204life

      G.O.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    9/11 breakthrough: PBS airs explosive 9/11 documentary which goes viral

    http://home.topnewstoday.org/home/article/3280392/

  • gene r

    How can anyone look at the videos of a plane flying into a building and entering intact and no part of the plane breaking off on contact and not know that he is looking at a cartoon?
    Phew!
    Those planes were computer generated as sure as the logos and first down markers on a live ESPN football broadcast.

    • Karolyn

      You ARE being facetious aren’t you?

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      He is actualy correct. Look at septembercluesinfo to see how the CIA and Mossad-owned networks pulled the wool over your eyes…

      http://septemberclues.info/

      Notice how these videos prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the MSM would have you believe the aluminum airplane passed COMPLETELY THROUGH SEVERAL COLUMNS of 2″ thick steel without any deformation whatsoever. If you look closely, you’ll see they goofed and actually show the nosecone of the plane completely intact as it exits through several columns of 2″ thick steel – UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE AND RIDICULOUSLY ABSURD NONSENSE!!! The planes were all computer-generated graphics. Notice how the anchors see the graphic feed, but the reporters on the street at the scene of the Towers NEVER SEE THE 2nd PLANE!!! The bombs that were planted were coordinated with the video feed. Notice how they show clearly the aluminum airplane sliding effortlessly and without any deformation whatsoever through 2″ thick steel columns like a hand sliding into a glove. ANY ENGINEER OR ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS THIS IS A CARTOON.

  • SSMcDonald

    More HORSE HOCKEY. Who writes this drivel?? Worse, who believes it??
    1. If no airplane crashed into the Pentagon, how come the remains and DNA of my Naval Academy contemporary, Rear Admiral Buddy Flagg (USN ret.) was found in the wreckage area at the Pentagon AFTER he had boarded that American Jet for his trip home? Not to mention the remains of the Captain of the flight was also recovered in the wreckage.
    2. Has anyone mentioned that the upper floor main foundation of the WTC was not protected by asbestos as were the bottom 1/2 or 2/3 of the buildings? Had asbestos been insulating the foundational supports as the lower floors, the buildings would likely not have collapsed. And why was the asbestos ceased to be installed in the upper floors during the construction of the WTC? The EPA put a stop to it, one of EPA’s first restrictions against private enterprise.

    • JC

      Sorry about your friend…but there doesn’t seem to be any physical eveidence of a 737…no film…no parts…

    • Karolyn

      See my link below for an impartial analysis of the Pantagon crash.

  • http://yahoo.com hugh

    Dear Sir; President Lincoln did not say what you attributed him. He said to paraphrase: You can fool most of the people,most of the time; you can fool some of the people,some of the time,but you can’t fool all the people all of the time.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    NOW, DO Y’ALL SEE WHY I SAID THIS IS A “white folks’ story?” I HAVE READ MOST OF YOUR COMMENTS. Y’ALL ARE ARGUING AMONGST YOURSELVES ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT DAY.

    Y’ALL ARE LIKE NEGROES DURING Court TV’s COVERAGE OF THE “O. J. Trial.”

    • Lynnette

      You really are stupid, aren’t you? Are you even BLACK or are you a mole here attempting to stir the pot with your po’ down trodden oppressed NEGRO attitude portrayal? GET OVER IT. ” WE” did not enslave “YOU”. While our ancestors may have enslaved your ancestors, you are as free as you are gonna get. I’ve personally known many black educated people, so what’s your excuse for your lot in life? Stop the whining and DO something about it if you don’t like it!

    • Gordon

      CAH that is actually a very profound statement.

  • http://na Al

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
    -Abraham Lincoln

  • carl smith

    thank you Bob Livingston for speaking out about the 911 conspiracy. for any of those doubting what you’ve said, I’d recommend they get the DVD architects & engineers for 911 truth. in the video, it’s proven scientificly beyond a shadow of a doubt that the buildings(all 3 of them) were imploded with explosives. 1700 architects & engineers have signed on to this (+over 15,000 others). these people don’t even claim it was a conspiracy; they just simply understand that the story the gov’t is telling about this is impossible.

  • James

    This is the biggest bunch of BULL I have eveer heard! You are insane.

    • carl smith

      is that all you have? you might as well quit for the day.

  • dan luster

    I’m fully convinced now. This site is dominated by the lunatic fringe who cling to their beliefs with religious fervor. We even have the token toe-tagged-Hebrew-hater who blames Israel for 9/11. I’m a conservative because I believe big government cannot do anything without bumbling incompetance. Leakers exposed the ATF and Justice Department for Fast and Furious. If the government can pull off 9/11 and blame it on angry Arabs, our economy should be fully recovered and graduates of public schools would have I.Q.s in the stratasphere. If the government were competent enough to rig the attacks of 9/11, I should be voting for the damned Democrats, who believe in statist infallibility. I’m no longer subcribing to this site. Good luck in the rubber room.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Hey Dan,

      While you are enjoying your cognitive dissonance and suspension of reality, do yourself a favor and research the attack by Israel on the USS Liberty and then tell us all with a straight face that Israel was not capable of 911. Research the over 200 Mossad agents arrested who were in NYC before and after 911. They were subsequently released to protect the coverup. Israel loves to take advantage of its publicity campaign in America. It used its connections through B’nai Brith (the Jewish Mafia)and its total control of the US MSM along with their allies in the CIA to perpetrate 911 in order to wage a campaign of war to surround Iran with America’s and NATO’s troops.

  • RevNowWhileWeCan
  • Cindy

    Seems old George was covering his ass!

  • Karolyn

    Bob – Why doesn’t PLD ever report good news? Like this
    http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/retiring-boss-surprises-employees-big-thank-checks-180021784–abc-news-deals.html

    These little stories are inspiring.

  • Karolyn

    Interesting non-biased analysis of the Pentagon crash.
    http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    The official government version of how the World Trade Center collapsed has been well-established. Due to excessive heat created by airliners crashing into each tower, the building’s support beams melted, subsequently causing each structure to pancake to the ground.

    But is this the way it really happened? The laws of physics seem to contradict this account. How so?

    Well, to begin, construction-grade steel (and I think we can all agree that the WTC engineers would have used only the highest grade steel possible) melts at 2795 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s a proven fact, as can be seen from the website: http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/fe.html .

    Meanwhile, according to a BBC report on September 13, 2001 entitled How the World Trade Center Fell, the WTC steel cores reached a temperature of 1472 degrees Fahrenheit, which, coincidentally, is the maximum temperature of jet fuel, but nowhere near the 2795 degrees needed to melt steel.

    Now, of course, we need to look for other sources of information, but instead of quoting “conspiracy theorists” (which the establishment media always seems to sneer at), we’ll stick with the government’s own sources. FEMA itself said that temperatures inside the WTC towers reached 1700-2000 degrees Fahrenheit – somewhat higher than the BBC’s estimates, but still not nearly enough to melt steel.

    As you can see, we’re beginning to have a problem trying to coincide how jet fuel can melt construction-grade steel. So, let’s ponder this question: what do welders or factory workers use to melt steel?

    Answer: acetylene torches, electric arcs, or bottled oxygen. And do they ever use jet fuel as their energy source? Never, because jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough. It has an ignition temperature of 410 degrees Fahrenheit, and if they tried to cut or melt steel with it, they’d sit there all day because it never reaches a high enough temperature.

    What jet fuel (or a similar derivative) is used for is lamp oil, charcoal starter fluid, or to run lawnmowers – not to cut or melt steel.

    Now, if the laws of physics aren’t enough to convince you that something is awry, consider these words from author Eric Hufschmid in Time for Painful Questions:

    “Fire has never caused a steel building to collapse.” Ever! In the history of the world, fire has never caused a steel building to collapse, yet on the morning of 9-11, TWO of them did! Even Philadelphia’s raging 1991 Meridian Plaza fire (often called the most significant fire of the 20th century) which blazed on eight floors for nineteen straight hours and was countless times more extreme than that which affected the WTC towers, still didn’t cause that building to collapse. But we’re expected to believe that these two relatively smaller fires on 9-11 reduced the world’s two tallest structures to dust.

    Further, in the mid-1990s, the British Steel and Building Research Establishment did an experiment on the affects of fire on steel buildings. During these tests they raised the temperatures well above those produced by jet fuels – up to 1700 degrees Fahrenheit – yet not one of these buildings collapsed in any of their six experiments.

    With this information in mind, let’s return to the morning of September 11th. As we all remember, when the second jet crashed into the South Tower, most of its fuel splashed outside of the building upon impact because it struck the corner.

    Now, ponder this point – this tower was hit after the first tower, most of the fuel splashed outside the building, and the fire was significantly smaller. Yet, the government wants us to believe that the construction-grade steel beams collapsed first. How?

    The North Tower was hit first, and its fire burned more rapidly. Establishment media “experts” realized the inherent problems with this scenario, so they explained that the support beams got “soft” from the fire; then collapsed. If we accept this thesis, then logically the North Tower should have fallen first; yet it came down twenty minutes after the South Tower despite having a much larger fire.

    But we need to return to the laws of physics once again, for after each airliner crashed into the WTC towers, the great explosions consumed most of the jet fuel within minutes. In a report entitled Jet Fuel: How Hot Did It Heat the World Trade Center that was posted on Hawaii Indymedia, we find this scientific observation: “The time to consume the jet fuel can be reasonably computed. At the upper bound, if one assumes that all 10,000 gallons of fuel were evenly spread across a single building floor, it would form a pool that would be consumed by the fire in less than five minutes.”

    Of course, other items were also burning, including the cabinets, carpets, walls, paper, and furniture inside the WTC towers. But even then, if all of these items burned with perfect efficiency, the temperature could still not reach that needed to melt steel. Try it sometime.

    Plus, after the initial blaze, we could see on TV that by 9:03 am – only eighteen minutes after the first tower was struck – most of the fire was reduced to black smoke, thus meaning that it was starved for oxygen and was by now just a smoldering, low-temperature fire – not a continual rip-roaring blaze. What this obviously implies is that liquid fuel doesn’t burn hot for long, and it evaporates or boils as it burns.

    So, two huge questions remain: (1) what actually made this construction-grade steel melt when it obviously wasn’t jet fuel, and (2) how could the South Tower collapse in just 47 minutes – half the time it took for the North Tower to come down – when it had a much smaller fire?

    Maybe the 9-11 Commission should start finding answers for these questions.

  • lone wolfe

    i just say: i saw the people who commited the terrorist attack on september 11, 2001 but the only responsible for this misstake is the F.B.I……………. i made the call at approximately 23:00 hours in LOS ANGELES,CA. they did not believed me becuase my nationality, i was in 3 attempted murders in 11 years, i am not liying, but to you people belived was our own govermmnet did this to us, all of you are wrong, his name:OSAMA BIN LADEN he is the responsible, the black people was happy saying: the terrorist want the white not the black, and people put a black man as a president.
    what the President was doing around Los Angeles California on Septemeber 10 2001?

    • Operation Mindcrime

      not sure what you are trying to say there sir.

  • Gordon

    As for those lower level explosions that look from the outside like well placed detonation charges, the sudden catastrophic failure of support structure due to excess load causes stuff to blow like a bomb going off. Like too much vertical load on a 2×4, a sudden pop. In a way, kind of like pressing on a sugar cube with a spoon until the cube suddenly explodes. (If you do this in a totally darkened room, you will see a flash of light emitted from the sugar, really, try it.) I have seen concrete “explode” from excess loading. Talk about bomb fragments flying around. wow.

    Sorry folks, just because someone believes this can’t happen, that fire can’t melt steel, that massive intensive fire can’t suck air around the outside/unobstructed sides of elevators (there’s room for a human like in the movies), and the utility shafts. Elevators at lower levels don’t block the upwards tunnel, and air will be sucked into the shafts from every available crack, and suck the doors off the tracks. Surviving rescuers reported massive air currents sucking through the lower levels. Similarly it is difficult to conceive of the power of a tornado until you have been actually hit by one. Just looking at the after-mess is nothing compared to having been in one. I hope you never wake up to the sound of breaking wood.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Gordon, above the thread i asked you a simple question. Perhaps you didn’t see it. So i’ll ask you again: What made building7 collapse like a controlled demolition? It wasn’t hit by a plane, nor was it on fire. So why did it collapse? I’ll be very surprised if any of you nay-sayers will respond to my question, but i seriously doubt it! The ball is in your court ..

      • Gordon

        Building 7 committed suicide due to its sympathetic nature by seeing the horrible situation that its siblings endured.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Gordon, steel melts at temperatures immensley higher than jetliner fuel (mostly kerosene). Most of the smoke clouds observed from the burning were black indicating poor oxygen availability. Check out ae911truth.org (architects and engineers for 911 truth) to learn more about this if you have an open mind. It is typically melted in blast furnaces where oxygen is injected to create super hot temperatures in very confined spaces. Supernanothermite, a military grade high intensity explosive, was proven by scientists and chemical engineers to be at the site. Many vans were observed in the weeks before 911 doing nightly “maintenance” on the towers. Who owned the maintenance security firm for the towers responsible for letting these Mossad agents in to do the dfirty deed??? None other than Wirt Walker II, a first cousin of George Bush, and none other than Marvin Bush, President George W. Bush’s younger brother. You can persist in your cognitive dissonance and patriotism Gospel of warmongering bloodshed based on lies straight out of the pit of Hell or you canchoose to embrace the truth and cold hard facts. I once was blind, too, but NOW I SEE!!! Freedom begins with TRUTH. The 911 Lie must be confronted with an all-out assault with the TRUTH. Please educate yourself, my friend.

    • John

      A massive, vertically supported skyscraper, accelerating at the speed of an object free falling though space, though the path of greatest resistance, is nothing like and over loaded 2×4. It is impossible to achieve free fall acceleration (outside of your creative imagination) without simultaneous demolition of all support columns.

      Can you give any example, in history, of a building free fall accelerating, though its structure that was not demolished? You can’t because it has never happened before. Oh wait, it happened 3 times on 9/11.

      JS- BSME, UCLA

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    8 of the alleged 19 “hijackers” have been reported to still be alive and well and working. They were all CIA assets too like bin Laden himself. Any commercial 757 pilot on pilotsfor911truth.org will tell you that Cessna-trained pilots, such as the hijackers were, are completely incapable of flying 757 commercial airliners. Their “training” was part of the coverup. The government intelligence reports about them were also part of the coverup. Numerous aeronautical engineers, test pilots, and commercial 757 pilots including the pilots themselves who have flown the jets that allegedly crashed have attested that it is aerodynamically IMPOSSIBLE for the 757 that crashed into the 2nd Tower to travel at the observed speed of 550 mph at a low altitude of 700′ above sea level without completely imploding upon itself from the overwhelmingly immense aerodynamic pressure. Air doesn’t even really begin to thin out until you get to approximately 18,000′ above sea level.

    • Gordon

      I am an aeronautical engineer for decades. I was also a commercial pilot with several thousand hours.

      I don’t have priority knowledge of that particular 757 airliner, but your comments about 550 mph and imploding is incorrect. You can actually dive an airliner to speeds approaching Mach 1 at sea level (761 mph), but the aerodynamic consequences would be devastating… probably violent shaking and disintegration @ .88 mach.

      Maximum CRUISING speed of 757 at 35,000 ft is mach .80/ 530 mph. Roughly speaking, the at altitude cruising speed roughly approximates the down low maximum speed at full throttle….. add a dive to that and 600 mph comes up pretty darn quickly.

      Diving an airplane while holding the throttle at cruise setting is like driving down a big hill in your car without taking your foot off the gas pedal. Things get pretty exciting near the bottom. An airplane gets faster even quicker. Pointing the nose down is NOT what you ever do. period.

      I also believe that many neophyte pilots can “guide” an airliner. Just like those who have never flown before can “drive” a Cessna trainer around on their first flight. They don’t have to know anything about 757 systems, functions, or radios, etc. All they have to do is flip off the auto pilot and drive the thing just like any little trainer. True things happen pretty quickly at 500 mph (340 ft per second) and you had better be thinking way ahead of the airplane because it takes “more than 40 acres to turn that thing around”. One Tower aircraft was correcting his path and was in a shallow turn when it hit.

      Surely the explanation of terrorists doing all the stuff alone is plausible.
      Okkums Razor.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Hey professor, what was the cause that brought down building7? It was not hit by a plane, nor was it on fire. Care to answer, or are you afraid that your non-sensical, “jet-fuel meted the steel” theory, just won’t pass mustard? Come on you gutless genius, answer the question.

      • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

        I encourage you to go to pilotsfor911truth.org to get a more thorough education. I am a chemical engineer. You will find the testimony of Mr. Leer himself, the owner of Leer jets and a NASA Flight Director and numerous fellow commercial jetliner pilots, many of whom have flown those same jets that allegedly crashed on that day. ALL OF THEM SAY EMPHATICALLY AND UNANIMOUSLY THAT IT WAS AERODYNAMICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A 757 TO FLY AT 550 MPH at 700′ ABOVE SEA LEVEL. Yes, we all know they can hit 530+ mph at 33,000′ above sea level, but they will implode at 700′ above sea level at such speeds. You’re talking two entirely different EAS’s (equivalent airspeeds).

      • Whit

        @Gordon: Okkums Razor.

        If quoting a principal, best to spell it correctly:

        Occam’s razor (also written as Ockham’s razor, Latin lex parsimoniae)

        Cheers

      • gene r

        Gordon, you sound like the murderer on Columbo trying to give the good detective a plausible reason for the accident. But Columbo knows it was a crime.

      • Gordon

        Jay it was suicide

      • Gordon

        Whit, spell gooder, just type badder. What the heck homey, youze knowed whatz the meaning.

      • Gordon

        the involvement of Leprechauns

      • Gordon

        looters stole the foundational supports?

        • Maynard

          Gordon, why did the plane fly straight past an easy strike on Rumsfeld to make a 330 degree turn and rapid descent then pull out of the dive and fly horizontally to impact between the first and second levels whereby its engines under the wings would have dug into the lawn yet the lawn was not damaged.
          How could its aluminum nose penetrate throught to the C-ring moaking a small round hole there passing through five heavily reinforced walls? Where were the passengers and luggage.? Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkoski saw the impact right away as she worked at the Pentagon. She said the damage is what she would have expected to see from a missile not a jet liner. How did April Gallop, injured and carrying her injured baby walk out the hole and not see any passengers or plane debris?
          Why did the plane hit right where accountants were pouring through records looking for the missing trillions Rumsfeld said was missing at a press conference one day before? Why was the best-defended building in the world undefended? Why did Rumsfeld silently leave his post and go to the scene of what he called an “accident” to carry stretchers briefly in a photo-op instead of assuming his role as leader of our defenses, unless he knew the scheduled attacks were over?
          Why did the FBI immediately have agents collecting the hotel and gas station videos that would show the point and time of impact?
          How could a plane knock down light poles without ripping off pieces of the plane and being diverted off its flight path? Why did the Pilots for Truth discover the black box recorder showed the cockpit was never opened during flight?
          Why did Ted Oson say his wife Barbara called him twice when the FBI reported no connected calls from her at the 2006 Moussaoui terror trial?
          Why would the burly pilot Charles Burlingame give up his cockpit to the tiny Hani Hanjour who had been rejected a month earlier when he tried to rent a Cessna, because his skills were so poor? Burlingame as a Naval Reservist had helped formulate a plan for the Pentagon to react if a hijacking attact were to happen.
          Why did Cheney not order evacuations?
          Why did jet fighters start from distant air stations and fly out to sea?
          Why did the 9/11 Commission contradict the time of Cheney’s arrival by saying he got there at 10:00. Cheney admitted on a Meet the Press show in late September that he was in the Bunker when the Pentagon was hit. Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation reported seeing Cheney getting updates from a young man that a plane was approaching D.C. and yet Mineta’s testimony was withheld from the Commission’s report. It still can be seen on the Internet?
          Why were no first responders allowed to testify and William Rodriguez’ testimony get withheld? He had been recognized as a selfless hero at ther White House and one of the last at the WTC to get out alive. He opened locked stairway exit doors saving many, many lives. But he also testified to hearing and feeling a huge explosion deep in the sub-basements about 15 seconds BEFORE the first plane impact on the North Tower. After that attempts to discredit him poured forth.
          Why was the initial hole at the Pentagon much too small to allow the airliner to penetrate completely inside and yet the wings, the engines and other parts never located?
          Why were the times on the black box recorder and the explosion not the same?
          Why did the black box recorder indicate that the airliner never flew low enough to hit the Pentagon?
          Why did the only released government video show a streaking fire ball when the planes engines would not be on fire until after the impact not before?
          Where did the missing $2.3 Trillion or even portions thereof go. This question has been ignored by the mass media?
          Why does Ted Olson’s new wife look so much like Barbara?
          Why did Rumsfeld call 9/11 ” a blessing in disguise?”

          • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

            Dear Maynard,

            Careful. Gordon’s head will explode.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

      • Gordon

        Thanks Bob, LOL, this thread is funnier than a rubber crutch.

        Hey, I don’t have many answers, but after seeing many things the conspiracy theory people have presented, I decided that wasting any further time on such trivial BS is just that…. wasting hours of my life on nothing. All I can say is that I see plausible reasonable doubt that the towers were blown by specific detonation charges…. that someone in OUR government planned or conspired to produce the towers’ attack. When substantial doubts appear in substantial situations, why should I personally invest any more of my valuable life examining other trivial conspiracy theories. Yes I believe that Osward shot JFK at least once, but the real question is who else fired into JFK. Yes I believe that Ruby eliminated Oswald and that Ruby died of lethel injection.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Maynard…Wow!

        Simply amazing piece of work you wrote above!

        God Bless your gift of words!

  • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

    My problem with conspiracy theories is this: If more than one person knows something, it is not a secret. How many people do you think would have been involved in the 9/11 ‘conspiracy’? A dozen? Several dozen? Most of those people would have had wives or girl friends. Some of them would have had alcohol problems that would have loosened their tongues. How many of the wives and girl friends are now ex-wives and ex-girl friends? I think it is extremely unlikely, that in eleven years, someone wouldn’t have come forward, motivated by money, rejection, or revenge, and told his or her story to a Pulitzer Prize seeking journalist.

    • Karolyn

      Exactly. Althoug many would say that they were threatenec into silence. I still find it strange that of so many people, there is not one who has come forward. I also wonder about all the politicians in high places. I would think that many of them would have knowldge of it, even people like the honorable Ron Paul; and why would jnot ust one honest person come forward.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – There were some people who came forward about what they saw, and they met with accidents. Just like witnesses on the “grassy knoll” who saw how many bullets hit JFK and from where. Just like witnesses at Aurora, and the ER nurse. And thousands of other times, as well.

        Some DID come forward. Some warned prior to the event. They were ignored.

        Some, like Sibel Edmonds, a translator, heard the whole thing being planned out. She, among others, testified at the congressional hearings. Those testimonies were deleted from the official report. Her life was threatened, too, so she went public to protect herself. Well, as public as she could get, anyway, since the media gives cover to the guilty.

        People who are members of the elite groups are under threat of death…not just of themselves, but their families, their children. They don’t talk. If they do, it’s anonymous. Perhaps one of the callers. And perhaps wives and kids don’t hear about it, anyway. I’m sure it’s not something these top secret meetings want discussed outside the room.

        Info does leak out, though. People DO talk. The issue is, will anyone listen? Their voices are drowned out by the official hyperbole, and the media is careful to warn against “conspiracy theorists”. Remember that GWB warned us about this. Well, you probably didn’t see it. But he did warn us not to listen to “conspiracy theorists”.

        Again, this is to protect the guilty.

      • Kate8

        Oh, and btw. JFK probably spoke to Marilyn Monroe about the secret cabals, and their plans to takeover America and form the NWO. You know, pillow talk.

        She was part of the clean-up after he was taken out.

        • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

          Kate8: I wish someone would tell Nancy Pelosi a big conspiracy secret.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      This is the same government that tried to tell a roomful of Boeing engineers and the American public that TWA Flight 800′s crash was caused by a leaking fuel tank conducting electricity from the ground, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF IS BEYOND PREPOSTEROUS with wind currents that would scatter the fuel from a plane travelling at around 200 mph all over Kingdom Come and aerate it almost instantly. The animated FBI film shown to the Boeing engineers caused an uproar of laughter when they stated it was caused by a leaking fuel tank and when the FBI idiots showed the plane lunging upward after the explosion, which all of the Boeing engineers knew was aerodynamically impossible.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Sic: The fuel leak was INSIDE the wing.

  • Nancy Drew

    All you people that believe what they told us is true. Explain this: The first Tower had already been hit. They had live coverage on the major networks. There was a woman, but dont believe it was Diane Sawyer, but some commentar yelled out. Oh no. A second plane just hit the other building. AND “it went all the way through to the other side.” which is impossible. When the CNN or ABC knew there had been a mistake in the film, a big mistake, the film was edited and next time they showed it from that angle, the plane going all the way through was erased. How about that?

    Also, I just discovered this the other day. Dick Cheney sstated, we never said Bin Lauden was in charge of this (2006 he said it i think: Google this you tube and you will find where cheney admids it was not this man in the cave that was in charge of this.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      You’re exactly right, Nancy. All of this information can be learned from http://septemberclues.info/

      Now, remember, all of you neocon nutjobs out there that Faux News was also part of this conspiracy, too, along with all of the other networks. The networks are all run by CIA and Mossad agents in strategic positions. Both former CIA Directors, William Colby and William Casey, have made statements to this effect as far back as 1976 and 1981 respectively.

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    If you are a Christian, it is your duty to learn this critical truth about the evil of the District of Criminals. We are first citizens of Heaven, not first citizens of America, a country that is run by a hideously diabolically evil government. George H.W. Bush, the former CIA Director, has been connected in several photos to the CIA and Secret Service assassination of President John F. Kennedy. In fact, George Sr. was pictured in the photo standing in front of the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building likely because it was possibly his job to tail the CIA’s patsy, Oswald. The Zapruder film has been proven to have been confiscated and altered by the Secret Service and CIA before it ever hit the US media. It was altered to reflect the government’s official lie that it was Oswald and no other shooter on the grassy knoll. Many frames were found to be missing and the blood shot showing the exploding head was completely faked. Police escorts said no such thing ever happened and they only observed an exit wound at the rear of Kennedy’s head. One such officer immediately behind the Presidential limousine was splattered with a part of Kennedy’s flesh. Photos have been uncovered showing the bullet hole in the front window of the Presidential limousine that was a dead giveaway that the killer was on the grassy knoll. The CIA had this windshield removed and replaced to hide the truth. E. Howard Hunt who was a contemporary of George H.W. Bush Sr in the CIA said on his deathbed confession to his son that it was a CIA hit orchestarted by LBJ. It was originally planned for Miami, but LBJ, being a Texan, was more comfortable with it taking place in Dallas, so it was moved to Dallas. E. Howard Hunt was one of the infamous “3 Tramps” at the train tracks beyond the grassy knoll.

    Now, if this government was capable of killing JFK, RFK(knew LBJ did it and was determined to prosecute him for it), Marilyn Monroe (found out about the plot and was going to tell JFK – died one year before Kennedy was assassinated), MLK, JFK Jr (determined in George magazine to expose who killed his Father), Princess Diana (was told by JFK Jr of his intentions to expose his father’s killers), Vince Foster(was going to testify against Clinton in Filegate the next day – was “suicided”), Ron Brown(told Clinton he was going to have to testify against him in Chinagate – died in “plane crash” but found with .40 caliber perfectly round bullethole in the back of his head), Senator Paul Wellstone(plane hit with high intensity microwave laser that fried the circuitry approximately 5 miles before landing – white van seen speeding from scene after plane began crabbing(flying sideways) – told Dick Cheney he was going to challenge 911), Jeannette Palfrey, the DC Madam(“suicided” after revealing she was going to go public with damning information about the government’s involvement in 911 revealed to her employees), 22 SEALS in a planned chopper crash to cover up the faked death of UBL, and many many others and covering all of it up to no end along with the Ineligibility coverup, the Fast and Furious coverup, the Watergate coverup, the Chinagate coverup, the Filegate coverup, the USS Liberty coverup, the TWA Flight 800 coverup, and on and on and on ad nauseum et ad infintum, then why on earth is it so hard for so many of you sheeple to believe this hideously evil government committed 911 and covered it up??? Is it because you are worshipping all things military instead of your Lord Jesus Christ???

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Here’s the Zapruder film coverup by the Secret Service and CIA…

      http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/horne-d1.1.1.html

      Many of you need to understand just how evil this government truly is. It truly is the District of Criminals. Bad criminals go to jail; the best go to Washington, DC. They have been encouraged to go to greater and greater heights of deception and evil by their success in not being challenged with the TRUTH. They are in the media, too. The goons in the CIA currently operate beyond the reach of Congress. They haven’t been accountable to Congress in YEARS!!! They make their money completely illegally and many are even satanists in the CIA. They were the same ones who devised the FEMA camps, which are equipped with guillotines.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Until world leaders and leaders of the scientific community address fraudulent global temperature data identified in Climategate emails and documents in Nov 2009, nobody will know how many other intentional acts of deception they have initiated.

    With kind regards,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

  • Smithkowitz

    Here’s a thought; Obama’s rapid path to the White House is part of the coverup. It took the minds of the average USA citizen off of 911 and focused their attention on Hope & Change. When will the real truth be revealed?

  • Bud

    It seems that people that have money, have connections, and or have a high postion that can usually get away with most any crime they so desire.
    People that can bear witness and or postive evidence are dealth with death, being bought. ridicule or some how the postive evidence disappears or court officials are promise somethings, in return a negative comment/s. Let’s us get the truth out and get the gulity behind bars! Have the Court Trial televised so everyone can see true justice in action!

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    Doug Hagmann has already revealed that his contact in the upper echelons of the Department of Homeland Security has told him recently that another false flag like 911 has been greenlighted for before the election that will likely lead to martial law and keep Obama and the Commies in power. It was recently greenlighted by supreme Communist White House Advisor, Valerie Jarrett. With the government and their propaganda arm, the MSM, thoroughly confident in their abilities to pull off big lies like 911, God only knows what other hideous evil they have planned for us.

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    The Crash at Shanksville was a complete hoax. Images from Google map before 9/11 clearly showed the same indention in the Earth that the government would have us believe was a bonafide crash site. No bodies or debris were even found at the site.

    • Karolyn

      So what happened to all those people? I suppose their families are all complicit too? They never received those phone calls?

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Karolyn: Your logic is a rare and welcome addition to this site.

      • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

        The calls were faked using voice simulator technology that was highly developed even in 2001. Cellphones could not work on airplanes above around 5,000′. This highly sophisticatedtechnology could take only several words taped from a recorded conversation and literally recreate a fictitional voice that sounds just like the real person. This same technology was employed by the CIA/Mossad when they playedthe bogey-man UBL fictitional tapes. The plane landed in Cleveland as the Mayor of Cleveland stated originally on live tv. It actually had 200 passengers, NOT 33. The passengers were escorted off the plane by goverment authorities. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AFTER THAT IS A MYSTERY, but knowing this government’s penchant for evil, they were likely all killed. The downed plane was a drone doing a “plane swap” somewhere over Pennsylvania. It was shot down by the military to cover up the ruse likely with a Sidewinder missile. Susan Lindauer, the CIA asset, who has blown the whistle on 911 has stated that the pilot who shot this drone down is currently in a prison in Florida silenced and sequestered from getting the truth out to the American People. See this account for an explanation of how aq plane swap is conducted, and what the flight path of the other plane was. This was precisely how the CIA goons in the government attempted to conduct Operation Northwood when JFK told them they were pathologically insane!

        http://911review.org/brad.com/Woodybox/Plane_Swap_Over_Pennsylvania_Flight_93.html

        Christopher Bollyn is perhaps one of the best reporters of 911. Israeli Mossad agents have even tried to kill him and broke his arm when they attacked him once. He now lives abroad. He has an excellent article about Flight 93 here and talks about the original newscast about flight 93 landing in Cleveland being scrubbed from the record to hide this critical piece of evidence against the government’s official bunk because it was deemed to be “factually incorrect” – in other words, not politically correct. United Airlines personnel AND the Mayor are quoted in the story, so I smell a rat. An Airline would not make such a public statement to the media without carefully researching what it is talking about…

        http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=67428

        • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

          Carl Manning: You sir, are an idiot.

      • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

        Aw shucks, Mikey. Is your little make-believe fantasy world falling all apart??? You are suffering from not only cognitive dissonance but apparently also laziness with your ad hominem attacks backed by nothing but thin air – you know like the government’s 911 theory. Come on, Mikey – BACK IT UP OR SHUT UP!

  • sesame

    The level of Paranoia on this site never ceases to amaze!

    • Kate8

      sesame – People said the same thing when Stalin and Hitler were rising to power.

      Even when the Jews were being rounded up and put on trains, those who hadn’t witnessed it themselves refused to believe it. They called those who spoke of it “paranoid”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    I am really thrilled to see so many of my fellow human beings realizing that the TWILIGHT of the PSYCHOPATHS is upon us…their days are numbered and the TRUTH shall prevail. As agents of the most high, we were sent here to establish JUSTICE and we shall not leave until JUSTICE prevails.

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    All of you should read this eye-opening article from pilotsfor911truth.org. It shows that the planes that allegedly hit the towers were not anywhere near the towers when they were “struck”. It proves this by communications ACARS records, which is how planes communicate with each other and with the ground control. It is sort of a cellular network if you will for planes. It shows the planes were over Pennsylvania when the towers were hit – nowhere near the NYC area.

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ACARS-CONFIRMED-911-AIRCRAFT-AIRBORNE-LONG-AFTER-CRASH.html

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      It also shows the planes were still communicating AFTER the alleged crash into the Towers.

  • William Ledford

    This is the bigest pile of crap I have ever read!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jhk65 John Kissel

    Not that it Matters to the Idiots at personalliberty (im sure) But after giving this comment I will be removing myself from the mailing list… & I suggest that anyone that is as offended by this LOAD OF BULL do the same. If anyone that is ignorant enough to think that ,in this age of Internet Bloggers & Wiki Traitors Hacking or Photoshopping these Lies…I Saw the Planes hit with my own eyes…Saw the Innocent People jumping to their Deaths … & Finally Why Whould Osama Himself Brag about How the successful his Attack had been if the Government did it? Personally I think that this so called News page is just trying to gain some sick recognition just in time for the Anniversary of the Most Tragic Attack on our PersonalLiberties (Life,Liberty,&Persuit of Happiness) In this Century (SOFAR) Good Riddance & Get Your Priorities Straight

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Goodbye!!! Enjoy your fairytale dreamworld of suspended reality and your eventual chains in Camp FEMA!!! Of course, your government could NEVER tell a lie, now could it???

  • http://aim.com Vee White

    Dick cheney planned 9/11 Disaster
    And they used Drones planes that could be controled by remote
    situations, and block the air waves , so that it would give them
    time for the planes to do their damages.
    But the demolitions were set up in the lower part of the buildings, to bring the rest of them down later.
    New york city had that area blocked off with ropes around it for several blocks for several weeks and that when the demo’s were put in place.

  • Luke

    I’m scanning through these comments, and I am detecting a clear telltale sign of an effort to replace the discussion of 9-11 and the mountains of hard evidence that point to Israeli complicity with a heated argument about racial issues. Now, I see this – and I immediately recognize the fingerprints of one particular tribe who have a long history of engaging in divide and conquer tactics, and who are famous for their propensity to stir up racial and ethnic tensions and to sow seeds of racial hatred between the tribes of people who aren’t members of their tribe. This tactic is designed to shift the discussion, to switch the debate away from the evil that they have done and instead to pit competing racial groups against each other, while they are then able to slink away and escape the punishment that they so richly deserve.

    Anybody else know who I’m talking about?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003296078775 James Hill Jr.

      Absolutely, it’s the tactic of our current administration. People commenting here spend soo much effort smoke screening the real issue here by twisting it into something else. It’s typical when the truth hurts you, your first response is to be defensive, and to attack the other party by changing the argument into a personal attack(that has nothing to do with the current debate).

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “James Hill Jr.”

        YOU SAY THERE IS A “TACTIC” BEING EMPLOYED WHICH CAUSES DISCUSSIONS ON “COVERT” TOPICS TO BE TWISTED INTO MEANINGLESS RAMBLINGS ON OTHER ISSUES – LET US SAY, LIKE RACE.

        OVER 95% OF Personal Liberty IS CAUCASIAN. ON 6 JUNE 2012, I ARRIVED AT Personal Liberty.

        THEREFORE, “James Hill Jr.,” DO YOU THINK IT IS LOGICAL TO ASSUME CAUCASIAN-Personal Libertarians ARE READING MORE ABOUT RACE ON THIS SITE BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF COLORED PARTICIPANTS IS GROWING? NOW, CAUCASIAN-Personal Libertarians ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCE, RESULTING IN A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW.

        “Mr. Hill,” I MADE THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD. THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT. THIS “TACTIC” YOU REFERRED TO WAS MY WAY OF SAYING I DO NOT CARE IF THE TOWERS FELL TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT OR “PANCAKED.”

        BUT, Y’ALL DO!

        • deerinwater

          Mr. Horton say; “,” I MADE THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD. THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT. THIS “TACTIC” YOU REFERRED TO WAS MY WAY OF SAYING I DO NOT CARE IF THE TOWERS FELL TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT OR “PANCAKED.” BUT, Y’ALL DO!”

          Yes you did Chris, you said that it was a “White man’s Issue or concern and the average American negro was not overly concerned” While I still am not certain what constitutes “average” to you. and look for you to explained on the term so to understand your statement and what qualifies you to be in the position to do so. How is it that Mr. Horton can speak for the average American Negro?

          If we are to assume that you do indeed have this entitlement and vision to speak on behalf of the “average American negro” do you believe this complacency is a good thing and justified?

          The problem I’m having is that, while I consider myself an average American Anglo male, but for the life of me , in no way can I speak for them all. That would be very bold of me to assume.

          Then too, to expand father, the Negro race of people as I understand it , is one of the oldest to inhabit this planet, yet what recent achievements they have contributed to mankind are so distant they were written centuries ago in a place that is now modern day Spain while today their mother land is an arm pit of human strife and suffering as one faction inflicts it’s will on another just because they can. A place where they would cut off someone’s lips just to make a point, a place where Aids runs unchecked and people go hungry and clean water seen as a luxury.

          I’m slow to accept that the “Average American Negro” as you call them has much to add to the discussion of National discourse and perhaps accounts for your observation. There are times that I too feel very disfranchised, under represented and helpless to the winds that blow. But my interest and concern is not diminished by failure.

          What we are looking for and need today is the “Above Average Mind” in whatever body that might contain one. And while there are many “wrongs” and much “injustices” in this world that we share, pick one and stay focused. Any attempts to right all wrong is far to overwhelming to consider.

          So what is it Christopher Allen Horton that you are attempting to share with us today? I would like to know. So I ask for a clear answer.

          • Maynard

            It does matter that the WTC towers did not fall to the right or the left nor did they pancake. They fact that they were pulverized as the fell straight down does matter. These are signs of explosive force and controlled demolition. Only our government or representatives of parts of our government could have done that. What could be their motives:
            Turn hatred to the Moslems where the huge oil reserves are; feed the military-industrial complex; install the basics for a policed state by suspending constitutional rights, funding FEMA camps and passing legislation such as $68 billion for domestic drones to spy on, photograph and even arrest and kill us. If you do not think that effects everyone regardless of race, creed, color, disabilities or lack thereof, religion, national origin, sexual preference or lack thereof, you “Gotta ‘nother think commin’ Mister.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        I CAN NOT GIVE YOU AN ANSWER BECAUSE YOUR PREMISE IS FALSE. YOUR MINDSET AS A “white man” IS GETTING IN THE WAY.

        “Deerinwater,” I KNOW YOU HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERUSE A VARIETY OF MY COMMENTS ON THIS SITE. YOUR PROBLEM IS, YOU WANT TO SAY THE “AVERAGE-AMERICAN NEGRO” SPEAKS GOOD ENGLISH, HAS A JOB AND CONTRIBUTES TO SOCIETY. I SAY, THE “AVERAGE-AMERICAN NEGRO” EITHER LIVES IN RURAL AREAS AND HAS LITTLE EDUCATION, OR, LIVES IN AN URBAN AREA AND HAS A USELESS HIGH-SCHOOL DIPLOMA [THAT IS, IF HE/SHE GRADUATED].

        “Deerinwater,” YOU JUST WROTE A LONG COMMENTARY. THE “AVERAGE-AMERICAN NEGRO” WOULD SAY THAT IS, “white folks’ s–t.”

        “Deerinwater,” SIR, PLEASE UNDERSTAND I AM AN ATYPICAL NEGRO. 99.9% OF OTHER NEGROES ARE NOT LIKE, ME – I AM RARE. FURTHERMORE, “Deerinwater,” REMEMBER I LOVE CAUCASIANS – MOST NEGROES DO NOT. Y’ALL ARE E-V-I-L IN THEIR EYES.

        “Deerinwater,” IT SEEMS YOU ARE TRYING TO “ENTRAP” AND “EXPOSE” ME – I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATION. AS I TOLD YOU EARLIER, I AM QUITE FOND OF YOU.

        • Deerinwater

          “. “Deerinwater,” IT SEEMS YOU ARE TRYING TO “ENTRAP” AND “EXPOSE” ME – I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATION. AS I TOLD YOU EARLIER, I AM QUITE FOND OF YOU.”

          Well Christopher, it might seem that way Sir. but what I’m attempting to do is “qualify you:” and understand the perspective that you are attempting to bring forward. I need to understand the eyes I am seeing the world through.

          If the “average America Negro” is as you say, ~ I do not see this as a good thing for them or America. I see the people that you describe while I would hope they are not average but something much less. And while I’m not convinced that I am wrong, I will hear you out.

          My personal experience with Negro’s and their culture is long and mixed, I have been both genuinely loved and genuinely hated while the love was for sound reason but the hate was a racist hate and not rooted in my actions or behavior but my blue eyes and German skin and what I represented.

          As a child I was not exposed to racism in my home, it was not taught by word or example. We were poor sharecroppers much like the Negro’s and bearing getting by, I did wear store bought cloths until i got some hand downs after the school children made fun of me.

          My first awareness of racism, I was barefooted child of 4 or 5 , given a nickle and permission to walk 100 ft across a parking lot of hot rocks to buy candy. I remember my feet burning and the welcome coolness of the little country stores concrete floor. Being 1953, there was no air conditioning but compared to a parking lot of sun baked river rocks, the cool floor felt wonderful!

          I got busy “shopping” , I had a whole nickle and all the pretty candy in the world before me. While I was busy shopping I seen an old negro gentleman , grey and bent over by age, crack the front screen door and stick his head in.

          ” Black man, you are not suppose to be in here” shouted the clerk behind the counter. I wondered, why? What did he do? Why can’t he come in? I could not understand it, it was outside my realm of understanding at the time.

          Needless to say , I have learned and experienced more about racism since. It’s real, it’s ugly, it dangerous and it does not need to be fed or it will grow.

          Later in life, I found myself in the big middle of a race war during advanced Infantry training, it wasn’t pretty, people got hurt and I found myself required to choose sides and fight, ~ and I’d do it again if placed in those same circumstances. It was a fight that took weeks to start and was over in single all night fight with sticks, rocks, sock mace, blades and hammers. And of course the Army will deny it happened.

          Let us not allow that happen again. Do what you personally can do to stop it and i will too.

          warm regards,

          Deerinwater

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Maynard,”

        I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS. MY POINT IS, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD [CAUCASIANS] WHO GOT VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD
        T-R-U-L-Y TAKE TO BRING THOSE TOWERS DOWN.

        THIS SPECIFICITY EXPRESSED BY Personal Libertarians IS BASED ON FEAR. PEOPLE OFTEN LAUGH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACE WARS. THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF EARTH, HUMANS HAVE “WARRED” WITH EACH OTHER AND DESPISED EACH OTHER. YET, SINCE THE FOUNDING OF CHRISTIANITY, HUMANS ON EARTH HAVE COLLECTIVELY FOUND ONE COMMON ENEMY – CAUCASIANS.

        OUT OF EGO, CAUCASIANS DO NOT REALIZE HOW WRONG IT WAS TO EXPLORE AND COLONIZE EARTH IN THEIR OWN IMAGE. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT HATED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD BECAUSE ITS’ CITIZENS LOVE DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS HATED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD BECAUSE OF CAUCASIAN POWER AND ARROGANCE.

        THOSE TOWERS FELL BECAUSE A GROUP OF COLORED PEOPLE HAD DECIDED THEY HAD HAD E-N-O-U-G-H!

    • Lynnette

      Luke….The person in question who started the ruckus, I truly believe and maintain is NOT black and is indeed a white man having a very good time making fools of those that come here. He is a mole as well as troll. He has a very good education and an excellent command of the language WHEN HE CHOOSES. He is NOT who he makes out to be. He spreads his rhetoric to other sites as well and can get exceedingly childish and gross. Should you think me racist, I assure you, I am not. My daughter is hispanic, I have friends that are black, and there are blacks in my extended family. To me, they are people first, not color. And as to the topic at hand, we live in very dangerous times. While I do not know if it is Israeli in origin (Which is it’s own form of racism), I do believe there is a shadow government behind the major western countries which is attempting global overtake and domination.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Luke,”

      YOU ARE PARANOID.

      I MADE MY INITIAL COMMENT BECAUSE I DO NOT CARE ABOUT 11 SEPTEMBER 2001. OTHER Personal Libertarians WHO DO CARE HAVE DISCUSSED THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS AND REASONS THOSE TOWERS COLLAPSED; THEY HAVE ALSO SPECULATED ABOUT WHO IS TO BLAME. ALL OF THIS IS THEIR PEROGATIVE.

      “Luke,” FOR YOU TO “COME-UP” WITH THIS “COCK-AND-BULL” STORY MY COMMENTS ARE A DIVERSION TO SURPASS ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT IN THE ATTACK TELLS ME YOU LONG FOR YOUR TEENAGE YEARS AND OLD “SCI-FI” MAGAZINES.

      “Luke,” WITH A MIND LIKE YOURS, YOU NEED TO BE MAKING SOMEONE RICH.

      • Maynard

        Dear Sir Christopher Allen Horton, It is true that the inhabitants of Africa appear to be where the tree of life first branched off into primates, then anthropoid apes and man. We share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees and bonobos, our closest relatives. All races are one species and can have fertile offspring – too much so if I may make a comment on our over-fecudity.
        The false flag of 9/11 is important for all mankind because it has permitted insiders in our government to lead us down a very perilous and immoral path. “Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord,” yet our land and many others is filled with arm-chair generals who send young men and women out to do their bidding: Kill, destroy, maim, obliterate. This is an outrage and must stop. The first step toward getting the halt brought to these horrible proceedings is to see through the lies Massa has beset upon his Chillun I mean no disrespect but slave talk is all our own Chillun will know if we do not wake up to de Truf.

  • http://hotmail Chris Phillips

    Israel’s involvement goes undiscussed by the :”American” media. I guess this is because If the average dumb Gentile/Goy American (98% of the population) knew the past and present history of Israeli treachery against the United States, there would be anti-Israel rioting in the streets. If the average dumb Gentile/Goy knew the depth of Jewish disloyalty towards his own country in America, and the terrible price we all pay for that fact, then there would be anti-Jewish rioting in the United States.

  • Gea

    The 9/11 terrorist attack was a result of the conspiracy of the Muslims who were the followers of Osam bin Ladin, Alquaida and Muslim Brotherhood to destroy Western civliztation. They ahd been working on int ever since French and British were foolish to let high ranking Nazi was crmiinal, the Mufti of Jerusalem (Amin al Husseini) go to Cairo, Egypt in 1946, rather then putting him on trial in Nurnberg. Majority of Muslim leaders in WWII were hoping thta Hitler will wind, since the ideology of Islam is very similat to supreamcist ideology of Nazis, including its dellusional Jew hatred.

    We have now a conspiracy in the Whitehouse with Obama hosting Muslim Brotherhood in Oval Office in white washing Islam and financing the Islamists of Muslim Brotherhood. This threat is REAL and therefore Americans must vote this man out of office before he causes even more harm to US and entire Western civlization. We need a Commander-in-Chief and not Caliph-in-Chief, who is conspiring to wshite wash Islam, shich is similar to supremacist ideology of Nazis, and promotes pedophilia, polygamy, dhimmitude, misogyny and murder for Allahu Akbar.

    One shoudl not forget that the Suadis plunging planes into Wto DID NOT shout Hail Mary, Our Father, Shema ISrael, or OM but Allahu Akbar, which had become a war cry of all Muslims committing terrorist acts, including American born and higlhy educated Muslims such as Dr. NIdal Hassan who murdered 13 of his collegues at Fort Hood while extolling Allahu Akbar. Islam MUST REFORM or has no place in any country taht cherrishes freedom and human rights. It is incompatible with eigher US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    • Maynard

      Not true Gea. You believe the lies. Look into the facts as Bob Livingston has put forth in this article. Buildings do not fall straight down from relatively cool hydrocarbon fires. Do your metal pans melt on your gas flame????? Open your eyes, Awaken and Arise.
      The Truth Shall Set You Free, even if as I read recently it makes you miserable first.
      They started the hatred of the Muslims back in the Crusades and reawakened it in America in ’93 when the FBI gave extremist Muslims REAL explosives. Enormous damage, six people killed and the FBI got off scot-free. We know because an Egyptian Army Officer, Salem, was their go-between recorded the FBI’s outrageous sting operation.
      9/11 was planned and Oklahoma City was a dress rehearsal. We know that there were more undetonated bombs because we have local news footage of their removal and rapid disposal by the same company that performed this operation at Ground Zero, aptly named Controlled Demolition.
      How Ms.Gea do you explain the removal of bomb-sniffing dogs from the WTC on Thursday September 6th or Jeb Bush installing martial law in Florida on September 7th or the Power Down on September 8th and 9th permitting the finishing touches that Kroll, the CIA of Wall Street could and probably was having put in for years through the elevator shafts? Whole floors were unoccupied and Scott Forbes heard heavy materials being pushed and banged around as he performed his duties at his workplace in the WTD. Also, Scott Forbes observed workmen coming and going through unlocked security doors, cameras off on the weekend prior to 9/11. He reported it after 9/11 repeatedly and was ignored. There is a video tape of his statements on the internet. Seek it out. Open your eyes, Awaken and Arise.
      The Jewish people are fine, intelligent people and have suffered much. This does not allow their Zionist extremist leaders to impose terrible penalties on the people who have been the continuous inhabitants of the land around Jerusalem for millenia until the terrorists like Irgun and the Stern Gang killed and expulsed so many of them. The idea that criticism of the Jews is anti-Semitic I answer thusly: I am not criticizing all Jews. I am criticizing their Zionists leaders whose bloody deeds may even cause some of them sleepless nights filled with terror for their fate should Justice be done. Secondly, the beautiful Palestinians, Lebanese and other Arab peoples are all Semitic! The juices of Abraham flow throught their bodies just as they do the beautiful Jewish people. Open your Eyes, Awaken and Arise. Let Brotherhood, Love and Truth reach out from your heart to uplift the Spirits of All around you.

  • AngelStar

    We all need to call for the arrest of the Bush, Obama and Clinton administrations.
    Charge ‘em, Try ‘em and CONVICT THEM for the treasonous felons and murderers they truly are.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      To do such a thing, we would find that it spiderwebs out into a massive world wide influence. The perpetrators are involved with variously named organizations, secret societies and even foreign governments. To do such a thing would require an independant investigation with people who are handpicked, have some form of previous service to the country and who are not involved with the local power structure. We would need true patriots to the Constitution and who can see the big picture of what’s at stake. This would be difficult but I believe possible.

      First however…it would require the combined voice of We the People to get galvanized and on the same page.

      The truth Will set Us free.

      They have us so divided I’m not sure if we can do this but again…I call for loyalists to the human species in the military’s of all the world to begin investigating this. What does History tell us? Find out…

      God Bless.

      • Hurt Burt

        Spot On! Brother Patriot! The real perps would shock most of those thinking that some desert negros did this autonomously.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        LoL…Burt. Funny way to put it.

  • nnicko

    To..bob livingston……so am I to believe that maybe from the beginning (200+) years ago, that our whole country was a conspiracy? World wars were started to bring immigrants into the US so we would have a blend of ethnicity to our population and than other wars showed our mfg. might to make weapons and destroy. Korea was a side-bar….had to train our military so they wouln’t be rusty, nam was to clean out our inventory;leftovers from wwII and more training for the military. So all these rich families are pulling the strings? So with Obozo, he is a piece of the puzzle? What great event can we expect in the near future ? United with the UN or maybe the second coming of Jesus Christ !!

  • Tom Santos

    911 was just another lie and THE PEOPLE need to stand up and take control so this never happens again. We are the people please all dont forget this. Dont let them pull the sheets over your head. They are brain washing you all. They work for us they need to remember this!

  • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

    Bob Livingston: Your outrage would be better directed at islam. Islam is a stupid, violent, misogynistic religion. It doesn’t deserve to be considered an equal among other religions. All religions are stupid, but not all are hateful and violent. Islam stands alone as being a terrorist organization disguised as a religion. It is a threat to humanity, and will continue to be a threat until non-muslims recognize it as being a terrorist organization. Not all muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are muslim. All muslims are complicit in terrorism by accepting the hateful verses in the koran as being the word of God. The world should have contempt for islam and everyone stupid enough to follow it. I have no respect for non-muslims who stupidly accept the b.s. that islam is a religion of peace. Islam is the KKK on steroids.

    • gene r

      In contrast the jewish religion only wants to enslave the world whose people they regard as cattle.
      Whereas the muslims operate openly and you know where they stand, the jewish masters operate clandestinely. Their motto being “By deception shall we rule.”
      See The Jews Are Not God’s Cosen People.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        gene r: As I said, I think all religion is stupid, including Judaism. However, there is no evidence that Judaism wants to “enslave the world” as you said. That would be impossible, even if they wanted to do so. Israel is a tiny country trying to survive while surrounded by countries that are becoming increasingly hostile to it’s existence. Islam is the biggest threat to world peace. Muhammed was an illiterate thug, and those who follow him are brainless lemmings. Islam is the KKK on steroids. If George Bush or Obama would have dropped a small nuke on Afghanistan and another one on Pakistan, 1,980 American military personnel would be alive today, and many more would not have sustained life-changing injuries. Our policy of trying to fight wars without killing civilians only empowers our enemies. When the muslim brotherhood gets nuclear weapons we will all be dead.

        • Deerinwater

          Don’t confuse people with nations Mike.

          This news is not doing Muslims any good.

          “The White House has confirmed that Ambassador John Christopher Stevens and three other American diplomats were killed Tuesday in an assault on the American consulate in the eastern city of Benghaz”i.

    • gene r

      Mike, if it”s so impossible how is it that Israel already owns America?
      Once we destroy all their enemies, as is their wish, the whole world will be easy pickins.
      Dont say there is no evidence that jews want to rule the world until you ca say you’ve done a little study on the matter.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        gene r: Israel is about the same size as Massachusetts in square miles. If you think that MA could rule the rest of the world, then I guess it’s plausible – in your crack ravaged mind. I suspect that a few Texans might object.

        • Attaboyslim

          The one … kind of important difference between Mass and Israel is that Israel has a huge Nuclear Weapons horde which, coincidentally, they have hidden from inspection under the Nuclear arms treaty. But it’s cool. They got most of them from us … oh, and nearly 4 Billion Dollars every year just for being our friend plus, we don’t seem to mind if they attack our ships and spy on our citizens or even if they steal our classified secrets … they’re swell friends … God says so. :)

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Atta: I never said that they are our friends. I said it’s absurd to think that Israel could rule the world. It’s insane that we borrow money from China and then send it to Israel and other countries, including countries that would destroy us if given the opportunity.

          • Attaboyslim

            Very well said Mike and, thanks for the correction, my bad. :)

      • gener

        Dumb old MikeR has never heard of ancient greece or Rome. A very small country and a city that ruled the world.
        He spends too much time on the phone with Netanyahoo.

        • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

          gener: Ancient Greece and Rome? That was then, and this is now. The difference is population growth and technology. Today Rome (Italy) is a place where you are considered guilty until proven innocent. Ask Amanda Knox. Greece is bankrupt, and their economy is on life-support from the European Union. If you think ancient Rome and Greece can be compared in any way to modern day Israel, you are a bonehead. Israel has neither the ability or the desire to “rule the world”. They just want to be left alone.

          • Attaboyslim

            Oops Mike, you forgot something. Sorry for being a knit picker but you forgot about their (Israel) stock pile of Nuclear weapons and their murderous occupation of Palestinian land along with the constant brutality so saying, “they just want to be left alone”, might be a bit too simplistic. You may also want to look into the attack of the US Liberty and the Six Day War. To give you a heads up … Israel attacked one of our ships with white phosphor, napalm, machine gun, missiles and torpedo’s and even shot the wounded trying to flee the burning ship and those in life rafts, oh … and this was an unarmed intelligence ship with a Fifty foot US flag

            Oh, and the Six Day was is interesting as well. I think it goes like this … Israel and Egypt were at was over … sand, I imagine but the point is that there was fierce fighting. At some point, Israel began to capture Egyptian POW’s … you know, like every other war. Well, the difference here is that once they got so many that it became difficult to take care of them, the Israeli’s came up with a plan. Simple, they marched them all into the desert and killed them which seems a bit harsh, unless you just wanted to be left alone in the first place. The thing is that it is speculated that the Israeli’s thought the US Liberty might have witnessed the violation of the Geneva Convention for the rules of War which would make them International War criminals and no different that what Hitler had done to the Jews and had to stop the news from spreading.

          • http://Yahoo Maynard

            Your information about the Israelis marching Egyptians to their horrendous slaughter was something I did not know (The Nazis taught them well) but I do not think the Israelis were trying to hide war crimes by attacking the USS Liberty. Instead, I believe it was collusion between the Israelis and the Johnson Administration. Someone from high up in the US recalled a mission to assist the beleaguered Libertarians. The whole incident was put under wraps using Top Secret designation. The Israeli’s, at that time anyway, did not have that kind of control over our government. I believe the whole thing was an effort to try to pin the hoped-for sinking on the Egyptians so the US could lend a hand to their slaughter. It was foiled when a Soviet spy ship caught the irascible Israelis doing that dastarous deed. Fearing apprehension they withdrew from their awful assault, their ignominy hidden by time, but not forever.

          • Attaboyslim

            Yes Maynard, you are absolutely right and perhaps I misspoke by suggesting that that is why the Liberty was attacked. From what I understood the situation to be, the Johnson people wanted to blame it on Egypt as you mentioned but the reason was to completely back Israel in a full fledged war with them or that we may get involved in order to secure their oil reserves. In fact, Johnson was overheard saying, (about our assisting the Liberty while being attacked), “Call back the wings, I want that GD ship going to the bottom” Wait, take a look at this documentary about the incident.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDif6iJQ6Zs

      • gener

        Atta, The ruling jews believe that it is their destiny to rule the world. Regardless of the opinions of the ignorami, This is the essence of what they believe is their destiny as offspring of Abraham. Genesis 13-14; 15-18.
        This is why it is so urgent for them to bring the U.S. against their enemies, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. All these nations possess what Israel believes is their inheritance.
        Once they expand their territory they will indeed be a world power to be feared and the U.S. instead of being their benefactor will be among the slave nations.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Attaboyslim…

        I knew some of the information about the USS Liberty but that film & the words spoken by the survivors…BOILS MY BLOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        To me this adds into the equations that I have been researching & helps provide proof of the corruptness of LBJ. This is proof positive to me even of his involvement with the Kennedy assassinations as it shows his character.

        One of the most powerful items I get from it also is when the feller said that Isreal believes that they can get away with virtually anything against the American public as our leaders won’t retaliate against them. This entire mentality is further proof of Isreals involvement with 9/11…at least for me.

        Can not all of you see the whole equation yet? WE HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED…!!!

        I respectfully request all true American’s & loyal patriots of the world to not only take the 50 odd minutes to watch this short presentation but encourage everyone to inform your family & friends about this horrible crime. Please help pass this information on so perhaps one day justice can be done.

        I’ll link it one more time to ensure you can see the information presented…
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDif6iJQ6Zs

        God Bless the USS Liberty and all her crew!

        • Attaboyslim

          BrotherPatriot, if it is information on LBJ that you seek … look no further. I’ve just finished (2nd time) watching a quite long documentary called “Evidence of Revision” and this puppy covers everything. Give it a look and let me know what you think.

  • deerinwater

    Well Sir., I don’t want to believe it either and I’m not willing to believe it all but clearly these building had help in coming down if you will take the time to view and study the video clips. Especially this building #7.

    My guess would be there were several teams working Independly and unknown to each other. I feel that L Hardy Oswell was done must the same way, he was unaware that he was a small part of a bigger plan. If he had managed to escape that day, in all likelihood he’d just come up dead later.

    To use Osama and his crew of assassins in much the same fashion, to offer a hot trail of diversion is not outside the realms of possibility.

    This day changed Osama’s world up until the day he died. I’m not sure any human would want such a change, to live a life of the living dead. This man disappears off the radar after 43 allowed him to escape in the Bora Bora mountains as US troops were “redirected” and as I understand it , an attempt to “outsource” the skirmish was made. ( this change of orders has never made since to me)

    http://youtu.be/4PGmnz5Ow-o

    If that was not Osama Bin Ladin that our special forces killed but someone else. Someone else , a wife, a father or mother would come forward with it and the protest would be loud.

    motive?

    http://youtu.be/H_p92dECEpQ

    http://youtu.be/4rj4psi6-YA

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      I believe that Osama Bin Laden died from kidney failure & he was on dialisis at the time of the twin tower attacks. He never went into hiding in the caves & that’s why he wasn’t found. He already was dead & put on ice…

      Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik speaks the facts…listen & mourn the lost honor of our government.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs

      God Bless the patriots who come forward against the odds…such as those who finally began speaking the truth of the USS Liberty’s attack.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        BP: I’ve heard the interviews with Dr. Steve. I haven’t heard him explain the 9/11 suicide hijackers.

  • deerinwater
    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      Dear Waterbuck, AKA deerinwater, The Towers demolition is just as obvious. Pancaking buildings do not eject massive steel at high velocity to cause it to, in some cases penetrate nearby structures as porcupine quills do dog’s snouts. Nor does pancaking fragment human bones and expulse them for over five hundred feet as was discovered atop the Deutsche Bank in 2008. (Deutschland Uber Alles, Heil Hitler!). Nor does jet fuel remain ignited beneath a debris pile for months unlike thermite which contains its own oxygen supply. Nor can demolitions be anticipated without forewarning in order to cause Mr. Paul Bremer and Mr. Jim Pierce of the Bush family or Mr, Larry Silverstein and his two adult offspring who all worked at the WTC to avoid their workplace as they all did miraculously (?), sparing their lives that fateful tragic day.

  • Jeff

    A friend shared this yesterday and I felt it was of dire importance to get the word out. I’m not going to comment on this video, other than to say I found no factual or historical inaccuracies in it. The rest of the message, I leave to you to draw your own conclusion.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4&feature=player_embedded

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    A good friend told me the President of UK’s Royal Society is now concerned about loss of trust in government science.

    I replied that he should have been concerned three years ago when deceit was documented in global temperature data:

    http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/climategate-30-year-timeline/

    Now nobody know where the deceit ends and honest science begins.

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1007

    On The Eleventh Anniversary of the 9-11-2001 Tragedy

    Events leading to Climategate in Nov 2009 may explain today’s

    a.) Deep mistrust of governments http://tinyurl.com/96y276q

    b.) Impending economic collapse http://tinyurl.com/cyhp2hf

    c.) Worldwide religious violence http://tinyurl.com/9st3qsu
    _ _ http://tinyurl.com/8nj7xdj _ http://tinyurl.com/9gtsohu

    From United Nation 24 Oct 1945 to Climategate Nov 2009

    Leaders with no compass took control on 19451024
    Climategate exposed the Ship of Fools on 200911

    Preaching basic conflict between science and religion
    Converting consensus sciences into dogmatic religion

    Living in the “sphere of influence” of our Sun’s pulsar core
    Is like living on an electron orbiting an atom’s nuclear core

    Earth, Venus, Mercury, Sun are electrons 3, 2, 1 and nucleus
    The Sun – like an atom’s nuclear core – exerts total control
    Niels Bohr reported in 1915; Nobel Prize received in 1922

    This Reality, Truth, God (RTG) can be realized by
    Humble measurements, meditation, observation

    Reality, Truth, God (RTG) are totally obscured by
    Selfishness, arrogance or false illusion of control

    We are humbly connected to RTG (Reality, Truth, God), or
    We are arrogantly connected to false illusions of control !

  • Maynard

    Since the great men Eisenhower and Kennedy, our beautiful land and Constitution have been beset with violent, cruel, and heartless leaders with one exception or perhaps two. Definitely Jimmy Carter was a leader who thought about Human Rights everywhere and cleaning our beloved earth with natural renewable abundant energy: wind, water, sun and hydrogen.
    Since Prescott Bush, the Nazi Banker brought forth Richard Nixon to power, we have been beset. His son HW brought was in Texas the day of the death of JFK. And he said he couldn’t remember where he was when JFK’s brain and bone and blood splattered the uniform and face of the motorcycle policeman behind the limousine. He was in J. Edgar Hoover’s office the next day but says it was another George Bush of Texas. He became Director of the CIA but claims his appointment was his first day. He prearranged the release of the Iran hostages by secret dealings with the hostage takers and their release coincided with Reagan-Bush’s first day in office. His political supporter, Texas neighbor and fellow oil tycoon had several sons. One of them sought the draining of Ronald Reagan’s life out on the cold city sidewalk. He was denied that achievment but Reagan knew from that day forward who called the shots. In his mind he knew it had become Bush-Reagan. He really was out of the loop on Bush’s illegal arms dealings with Iran we came to call Iran-Contra. The Contra part was the support for the Contras, blood thirsty rebels who removed Daniel Ortega’s rightful place as the democratically elected leader of Nicaragua. He was behind the CIA operative who funneled drugs and money from Colombia to the US. He was also behind Noriega’s demise as innocent Panamanian civilians were left to die on Panama’s streets. It was he that engineered the Savings & Loans takeover as the middle class lost homes and savings in its wake. It was he who brought forth the young lady of royal Kuwaiti blood to assume the role of the tearful nurse who saw tiny babies ripped from their incubators by ruthless Iraqis. It was he who buried thousands of surrendering soldiers with carpet bombs. Then his son took over on 9/11. Remaining for a half hour like a deer in the headlights while people jumped to their deaths and their lives ended in an Instant in the best-defended – until then – building in the world. This son has twice said publicly that he saw the first attack at the WTC before entering the school, yet it was not on TV for more than twenty-four hours. . . . to be continued.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      There are pictures of a young George H.W. Bush when he was a CIA agent standing directly in front of the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building on the day they assassinated Kennedy. He was likely doing patsy duty to follow Oswald for the arrest and setup.

      • Attaboyslim

        Take a look at the documentary, “JFK II, The Bush Connection” and the follow up called, “The Assassination of John Kennedy Jr.”.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        When we lost John Kennedy Jr…I felt like we lost a positive light for the Good side.

        I was greatly saddened by his loss and feel strongly that it’s just more proof of the Evil that needs to be revealed. We must be brutally honest with ourselves.

        God Bless us all as we piece it together and reveal the truth for the masses to see.

  • Attaboyslim

    I can imagine that some of you will attempt to excuse this list and will discount as many as you see fault with and this is unavoidable but I’m only guessing a total of fifty percent loss. This still leaves 15 items on my list and these aren’t all of the strange things that came about from September 11, 2001 but this is a start. For those who believe the official story, no matter how flimsy it is then perhaps you are better identified as Coincidence Theorists but there are millions of people around the globe who dispute their story as being irrational and improbable, at best. My strongest point is this; if there is any part of the story that is questionable or if there have been any lies told in response to the way it happened then isn’t it logical to assume that there may be more untruths? Isn’t it worthy of an independent investigation, out of respect for the lives lost, for our own Liberties and for the good name of the United States? If there is nothing to hide then why try and hide from the truth?

    (1) Several Israeli Art students, living at the Towers … rent free, for a time prior to the attack to write a Book called, “The Bee Thing”. Had enough freedom in the buildings to construct a temporary balcony on one of the floors.
    (2) Multiple power outages, security cameras deactivated, bomb sniffing dogs removed and an army of service persons moving about the structures freely.
    (3) Several Middle Eastern men caught filming the plane strikes … as they happened. Giving each other, “High Fives” and turned out to be from Mossad and Israeli military explosives experts.
    (4) An individual with a Middle Eastern accent, detained by Police for having a mural of a plane hitting the towers painted on the side of his van.
    (5) Israeli companies vacated their Tower offices, paying $50,000 Dollar fines just prior to the attacks.
    (6) Certain high ranking officials warned not to fly on September 11 because of security risks.
    (7) The massive amount of, “Put Options” that were purchased as bets that American and United Airlines stock would fall which made some very wealthy.
    (8) Osama Bin Laden’s job as a CIA operative named Tim Osmand.
    (9) The 19 accused who were trained at various US Military and Intelligence agencies who failed to fly small planes but supposedly mastered Jumbo Jets and then, many turning up alive after their fiery deaths.
    (10) All planes forced down and a no fly in effect except for the Bin Laden family.
    (11) The numerous military exercises on 9/11 to train for the emergency situation that was actually occurring and using the WTC and Bin Laden as potential strikes and guilty party.
    (12) The Empire State Building being hit by a similar plane without collapse and no other high rise building in history having ever collapsed due to fire and three happened on 9/11.
    (13) US Military response time and success at arrant intercepts at 100% success yet failed four times on 9/11/2001.
    (14) George Bush’s brother’s responsibility for security at the Towers.
    (15) The Bush/Bin Laden lifelong friendship.
    (16) Bush Senior in a 9/11 meeting with the Bin Laden Family.
    (17) The fireball explosions at the WTC and the lack of one … and a plane or any footage of a strike at the Pentagon.
    (18) Cheney telling NORAD to Stand down.
    (19) The cover ups and an Investigation that was destined for failure.
    (20) Larry Silverstein and how he obtained ownership with the lowest bid, paid only a portion down but then collected a massive amount on insurance as well as putting a cap limit on victim’s compensation.
    (21) Bush putting up permanent roadblocks to prevent any further investigations.
    (22) Multiple laws of gravity and motion altered on 9/11 to produce unscientific properties.
    (23) WTC seven housing the SEC and the Wall Street insider trading investigation and many other super sensitive documents that were coincidentally destroyed and without being struck by a plane.
    (24) Bush’s troop build up along the Iraqi border before 9/11, the lies to Congress and the American people to begin an illegal war.
    (25) The missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars from the Pentagon.
    (26) Haliburtons, “No Bid” contracts
    (27) Chertoff’s full body scanners.
    (28) The Project for the New American Century
    (29) The expedient removal and destruction of ton’s of WTC steel prior to investigation for bomb residue.
    (30) A fire, below ground that was hot enough to be seen from the Space Shuttle … six weeks after the towers collapse and described as having molten metal running like you would see in a foundry … from jet fuel?

    • JC

      Well done

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Nice.

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    Isn’t it awfully strange that many Neocons drinking their government and GOP 9/11 Kool-Aid and raging against us 911 Truthers as “Conspiracy Theorists” as they get spoonfed their bs from Sean Insanity and Rush Bimbo and the MSM will acknowledge thatthe government has been lying to them about Globull Warming all this time, but they just can’t wrap their head around being lied to by the government about 911 and so MANY MANY other hideous crimes like the JFK assassination, USS Liberty, TWA Flight 800, The FBI Murrah Building Bombing, the shooting in Aurora, Colorado, the attack by Israel on the USS Liberty, the faked Apollo landings on the Moon, Obama’s fictitious Birth Certificate, SSN, and Selective Service registration, Obama’s homosexuality well-known in gay circles in Chicago, CLinton’s cocaine drug planes in Mena, Arkansas, profits from which he used to run for Governor of Arkansas, Obama’s murders of Bill Gwatney, Donald Young, Larry Bland, Nate Spencer, and Lt. Quarles Harris of Passportgate coverup fame, Clinton’s murder of Vince Foster (filegate) and Ron Brown (Chinagate) immediately before they were to testify against him, Cheney’s murders of Senator Paul Wellstone, the DC Madam Jeannette Palfrey, and many other 911 whistleblowers, LBJ’s and the CIA’s hits on RFK, MLK, JFK Jr., Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana, Clinton’s murder of former CIA Director William Colby who was discovering too much about the Vince Foster murder, and the list goes on and on. Some of you are looking the government cobra right in the eye and admiring it immediately before it kills you.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      They also lied to you about UBL’s assassination by SEAL Team 6 becaused they know you worship the military right or wrong with blind ignorant and I might add perverted patriotism to the point of being gullible dupes.

      • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

        Then they killed SEAL Team 6 and dumped the patsy’s body in the ocean to “seal” the coverup. Then, they praised SEAL Team 6 as “HEROES” after they murdered them. IS THIS WHAT YOU IDIOTS CALL PATRIOTISM??? IT’S WHAT I CALL MURDER AND HIGH TREASON!!!!

        • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

          CM: Murdered Seal Team 6? What is your source for that steaming pile of bravo-sierra?

          • Attaboyslim

            You know Mike, having rock solid proof of something like that would be next to impossible. It is like I was taught as a child, “If it walks like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck … you can probably rule out thinking it was a cat”, and from what we have all witnessed from these people … I’m leaning towards the Duck.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Atta: That’s absurd.

      • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

        MikeR,

        Have you forgotten the “downed” chopper carrying SEAL Team 6 members (22 of THEM!!!) that was allegedly shot down in Afghanistan shortly after the made up story about the UBL assassination which served to provide cover for the flack coming back at Obama about his just released forgery of a Birth Certificate that every single intelligence agency around the world immeidately recognizedto be the work of a rank amateur??? JFK Jr was about to reveal just exactly who killed his father – LBJ, the CIA, and Secret Service – and the CIA rigged his plane to crash. Senator Paul Wellstone opposed Dick Cheney and was about to go public against 911. His plane was shot with a high intensity microwave radar which fried the plane’s wires and circuitry. It was observed crabbing (flying sideways) approximately 5 miles before the airport it was to land at. A white van parked in the woods was seen by eyewitnesses to suddenly speed away like a bat out of Hell shortly after the plane began to crab. Princess Diana, who was told by JFK Jr. about who killed his father, was murdered in a staged car crash. Ron Brown, who was Clinton’s former Commerce Secretary, told Clinton he would have to testify against him in Chinagate. Clinton was pissed. Ron told his mistress that if he is “suicided”, it won’t be from his own hand. He knew Clinton was out to get him. His plane was crashed in Dubrovnik, Croatia using adecoy beacon to run it into a mountain. For good measure, a .40 caliber perfectly round bullethole was found in the back of Ron Brown’s head. This was suppressed by the government. The only survivor of the incident died from a 3″ slice to her femoral artery after she was able to get aboard a chopper with no assistance whatsoever. The Maintenance Chief who turned off his NDR Beacon to facilitate the crash with the promise of mucho dinero is “suicided” afterwards by the CIA. For the CIA, KGB, MI6, and Mossad, staged suicides, car crashes, and plane crashes are Standard Operating Procedure.

        http://www.dangerouslogic.com/ron_brown.html

        http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/06/world/la-fg-afghanistan-chopper-20110807

        Remember, the CIA created al Qaeda. They fund the fictitious enemies our troops are fighting in the fictitious Global War on Terror. They are profiting immensely off the drug trade in Afghanistan to finance all of their dastardly deeds just as they finance off the drug trade in Mexico, the human trafficking, even sex trafficking, arms sales, and of course money laundering and bank wire tranaction fraud. They do not give any accountability to how they raise their funds to Congress. They are a completely 150% rogue criminal operation now. 911 was one of their finer masterpieces when it comes to false-flag ps-ops. It went off without a hitch because they control the MSM, too.

        If you recall, there was one chopper that was blown up at the compound where the raid took place. It was intentionally blown up to try to kill off the SEAL Team 6 members by the CIA. The 2nd blown up chopper with 22 SEAL: Team 6 members on board was blown up by the CIA in Afghanistan a mere 3 months later to tidy things up for the coverup. The CIA is completely running al Qaeda. This is what most of you idiots can’t wrap your brains around. 911 WAS ALL A BIG SETUP for the Military Industrial Compex, the Globalist Elites, and the Saudi and Israeli governments whereby their common enemy, Iran, could be completely surrounded.

        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=825_1312770631

        • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

          Sic: I’m sure that your information source is a nut-job internet site that incites loonies like you, but provides no evidence. You should be more concerned about Obama’s intimate hand-holding moment with Soviet Prime Minister Medvedev, the cancer of islam, and the destruction to our liberties that would be the result of four more years of a Obama ignoring our constitution and weakening our military.

      • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

        Mike, one of my sources, as you can see, (IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ THEM AT ALL, WHICH I CAN TELL YOU DIDN’T BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CLOSED MIND OF A SHEEP) is the LA Times, an Establishment newspaper. The other sources are Infowars.com. If you are expecting any of the MSM to publish the truth, you are batbleep nuts! The MSM is owned by the CVIA and Mossad. Two former CIA Directors have stated this: William Colby and William Casey. LOOK IT UP OR SHUT UP.

    • Attaboyslim

      Touche` … Amen and Amen! You left out the Murders of David Koresh and his followers in Waco Texas and the Murder of Vickie Weaver at Ruby Ridge and the fact that they have been sending economic hit men into third world countries to assassinate Democratically elected leaders, over throw governments, murder innocent civilians and then steal all of their natural resources. And lets not forget the false flag operations which caused the deaths of 58 or 78,000 American lives in Vietnam, the use of Depleted Uranium in Iraq which is an International War Crime as well as using Torture which is also an International violation. And how can we possibly overlook the fact that Oliver North and Company were using drugs and weapons to subvert the US Congress and Constitution to fund their own private little war and Bush’s CIA drug smuggling wired out several generations in this country through Crack Cocaine First and foremost are the atrocities they are perpetrating against the American citizens on a daily basis. What angers me more than anything is this: We have certain inalienable rights that are guaranteed by the Constitution and these rights Can Not Be Taken By Anyone or Any Government entity because They Do Not Have The Authority and yet, we sit around and allow them to do so without a word of protest. You are right, so many people continue to praise these criminals and ignore the horrible things they do and in our name and reputation and that snake will eventually bite the handlers, you can guarantee that will happen … it always has, throughout history and we are no different.

    • Chris Condon

      The September 11 attacks are really a hot-button issue! Anybody who dares to question the official version must be prepared to be treated rudely and otherwise insulted, even by the most polite people otherwise. I admire Carl Manning for speaking out, but I hope he has a very thick skin!

  • Gordon

    CAH, for a liberal racist who advances opportunities to imply that you are not an American and are concerned with American values and happenings, and that said this is whitey’s discussion, you certainly have contributed to the profitable outcome of the thread. Buenos Nachos guacamolie comrade.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Gordon,”

      THIS “profitable outcome” I HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO IS BECAUSE I LOVE CAUCASIAN MALES. I AM A “CREATURE OF THE FLESH.”

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore 124andmore

        CAH: CONFIRMED! I suspected that you are a flaming fairy.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “123 SOMETHING,”

        I FORGOT YOUR MONIKER AND CAN NOT FIND YOUR COMMENT. I OBJECT TO “flaming fairy!” IF YOU WANT TO CALL ME HOMOSEXUAL, OR, “gay” – FINE.

  • http://jeffmainstory.wordpress.com jeffmainstory

    Waco and Ruby Ridge, Really? Now we really are dealing with conspiracy Theories! Seriously a person would really have to be a complete idiot to believe our government is capable of all these things. They really aren’t that smart right? Aren’t we talking about Bubbah Clinton here? He doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tack in the box. And as far as the Iran Contra; wait a sec, isn’t that a situation that the actor resided over. Oliver North wasn’t he just a guy that sold some stolen US guns to someone in the middle east? Wasn’t Bush Sr. heading up the CIA at the time. My uncle used to spend time in Afghanistan teaching those Arabs how to use the guns we were selling them. Why would oBut wait; why would our government topple a democratic country and put a dictator in place. Aren’t were supposed to be over there to spread democracy. Then wait a sec, what gives you and I the right to question what the government says. Really, isn’t it much better here since we can actually go online and express our opinions. Unlike many other countries. I bet you all would like it if we eliminated having our military over seas at all? What would we do about money? Would we tell the banksters to just go screw? Wouldn’t that topple the world and national economies. But oh yea, we really don’t have the ability to make our own currency at this point do we? I mean really, the banksters took all our gold away didn’t they? What do we do now? How to we effect change? Instead of bitching in here about it, what are we going to do?

    • Attaboyslim

      Absolutely, it is better to be here so we can say what ever the hell we want but, No Sir, we should not just keep quiet and not question the government because we are supposed to have an equal say in how things are ran in this country and we are supposed to throw off the people we have elected who abuse their power. The founders made it crystal clear that this government was to have limited powers and had no authority to grant themselves more and these people have been out of control for a while. As far as Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City and the first bombing of the WTC … yes, yes, yes and yes. The level of intelligence in any one person didn’t matter and it should be quite obvious that our Presidents take orders from some other authority but we are still the dangerous ones. We are barely hanging on to our 2nd amendment rights but wasn’t it the ATF at RR, Waco & OKC? Indeed, they are desperate to take our guns but the first WTC bombing was so they could pass Patriot … etc acts but too few died. OKC’s Murrow Bldg had enough deaths that the Anti-Terrorism Act was approved … etc.And as far as it being a Conspiracy Theory, it is all documented which makes it a fact. Finally, you’re right about the actor President but misinformed about Ollie. I lived in DC during those times and Mr. North was a shot caller and even instituted a Contingency of Government plan that would suspend the Constitution, create Marshall Law and forever alter our Federal Government. Daniel Innoway chaired the hearings and when Rep. Jack Brooks asked about these plans, he was silenced. Finally, we, (CIA) have overthrown many governments. To name a few … Mosedech in Iran, Pinochet in Chile, … it would be best for you to see it for yourself. John Pilger’s award winning Documentary called “The War On Democracy” will answer all of your questions on that subject. It ain’t pretty though. :)

      • http://jeffmainstory.wordpress.com jeffmainstory

        Attaboy, I was being completely goofy, I know the whole deal and have been following and subscribing to the liberty movement since age 16 when at my very first job and my very first actual paycheck I was severely shorted on my paycheck and was pissed. Went to my boss and he explained how taxes are taken out. I immediately quit, got a new job and marked exempt on my hiring papers. WHO THE F.. .said they can take my money, They didn’t work hours for it? So from then on I was exempt. I knew about the Iran Contra issue, Waco, RR, and a quite of few other actions which have eroded our liberties, taken an untold # of human lives. Now is the time that we the people need more than ever to recreate our government from the ground up. It is our right according to the constitution because without doing so I’m afraid it is too late. It may be too late already because there are too many sheeple who have bought into the state sponsored lie the banksters and their cronies have perpetrated on the American dumbed down population. To the point where it is probably impossible to stop the coming catastrophic events and following round up on cattle cars of freedom loving American citizens who know the truth, We are at the point right now where there is no possibility that the government will protect us from the upcoming events planned by the world’s ruling elite unless we move very quickly in a very organized fashion to share the truth and get as many like minded people on board. I am usually an eternal optimist but I think we have been at the point of no return since Kennedy and actually Vietnam or some could argue the Korean conflict When the people bought the official story en-mass for all of these atrocities and went along with the murderous objective so they could secure their weekend bbqs, nice recliners, big houses and cheap products from slave labor i believed our fate has been sealed for a while. Maybe we can stop the train wreck coming for our country but I highly doubt it at this point. maybe 10-15 years ago, but there is way too much apathy and lack of understanding as to where we are heading. Sad but probably true. As for me and my family, I think getting off the sinking ship is probably a wise choice at this point since once martial law is implemented and i promise you this is months not years it will be too late to get out.

        • Attaboyslim

          Hello, My friend. It is often hard to admit but the reality is that I am not as perfect as I’d like to imagine so I do hope you’ll accept my apology. I had a kid who tried to bring some of the craziness to my attention when I was about 16 or so but had no interest or was too lazy to look further. The 1980′s in DC and the 1990′s in and around Houston Texas with “W” as Governor and the Enron debacle unfolding, redirected my thinking. Ten seconds after being called into the room to see the news reports on 9/11/2001 was all it took for me to verbalize, “Those sons of Bitches!” I understood what it was and it was no surprise attack from a tiny group half way around the world.

          Since then, I have been a voracious student even though I was a pitiful student when I attended school and I thank God for the Internet because it has been my only source of information. No Television, Radio, Newspapers or Magazines to tell me the way things are but instead, I choose the direction and search for the reality and not just a perceived truth. I too, am convinced beyond any doubt that the proverbial [expletive deleted] hitting the fan, is not too far away. When they remove our security, (The US Dollar) via total collapse and it leaves everyone with nothing and I mean nothing; no savings or retirement or any liquid cash, no property or any meaningful possessions and probably, forcefully removed from their homes as well as no means to travel and not enough food to survive … the mass awakening will occur but it will be too late.

          At that stage in the game, all it will bring about is their phase II and Marshall Law, mass relocation into FEMA camps (for our protection and our survival against the Anarchists) and their recommendation to fix all of our problems. It will be such a simple request and after all, how many choices will there be for most people. I’ll bet there is only 5 – 10 percent of the people in this country that could deal with a sustained camping trip for more than a week. Thrown into a situation where there are no means to bathe, take a crap with privacy, wear clean clothing, sleep inside and provide food without a grocery store for a month and they’d join the swear to be loyal to the Russians.

          All they’ll ask is for us to surrender our allegiance to the United States and accept the implanted RFID chip, thus becoming a citizen of the World … we’ll never need to worry about Wars or not having money to pay for food and live without the fear of criminals with guns and probably something like, “Trust Us, we know what’s best for you now” and then they’ll promise to get us all back into a home. The people will go mad and try to kill one another just to be able to sign up first and then … it is Checkmate. All will be lost forever and we will be totally and completely controlled and at their mercy. They will effortlessly implement Agenda 21 and begin the process of bringing Orwell’s book to life right before our eyes.

          You and I both know that I have sugar coated the way I’ve described the scenario because the reality is that the horrors people have read about and discussed throughout their lives regarding Adolph Hitler will be staring them right in the face. The only difference will be that they will be praying for it to only be as bad as the Nazi rule because these people are the ones who gave him his power and their evil will surly surpass anything he could have ever carried out against humanity

          My apologies to all for the doom and gloom and for monopolizing so much of your space.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Atta: You can worry about a lot of crap you can’t do anything about, or you can focus on the present. We have a State Department that had credible information that attacks on our embassies were imminent, but DIDN’T NOTIFY THE EMBASSIES. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s top aide Uma Abedin has family ties to the muslim brotherhood (her mother and brother). Our government is ignoring the Constitution and weakening our military. Our enemies clearly recognize that we have the weakest President in American history. Fire the smiley-faced marxist thug on Nov. 6.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    OKAY, “Deerinwater,”

    SIR, IT IS NOT MY GOAL TO DISRESPECT ANYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT YOUR LIFE – I HOPE YOU BELIEVE ME. [12 SEPTEMBER; 6:43 PM].

    YOU SAY, “I was a barefooted child of 4 or 5, given a nickle [NICKEL] … to buy candy … Being 1953, … ”
    1953 FOR NEGROES IN RURAL-NORTHERN MISSISSIPPI – Mothers made homemade candy for their children out of molasses. For dinner, mothers took flour and one small can of mackerels and STRETCHED them in order to make fourteen small patties for her twelve children, her husband and herself. [ONE PATTY PER PERSON]. Mothers took a small “mess” of peas or beans and STRETCHED them with water and hog “fat meat” which produced “pot liquor.” [THE SALT AND GREASE FROM THE "POT LIQUOR" WAS FILLING TO THE STOMACH]. These food items were usually acquired by begging someone who had a garden and “put-up” meat. A few Negroes – WHO WERE TRUSTED BY CAUCASIANS – were able to “take-up” groceries; i. e., pick-up a few things at a little store and pay the owner next week when the Negroes received their next pay.

    YOU SAY, “We were poor sharecroppers much like the Negro’s [NEGROES] and bearing [BARELY] getting by, … ”
    FOR NEGROES – Yes, Negroes sharecropped. If it was not field season, children walked to school [THE NEGRO CHURCH; NOT, A SCHOOL-HOUSE]. Caucasian sharecroppers DID NOT sacrifice their children’s education. [A REASON NEGROES IN 2012 DO POORLY IN SCHOOL IS BECAUSE OF THE OLD "FIELD MENTALITY" WHICH DICTATED AN EDUCATION WAS NOT NEEDED].

    YOU SAY, “I did wear store bought cloths … ” ["CLOTHS," IF REFERRING TO FABRICS; OTHERWISE, "CLOTHES"].
    FOR NEGROES – ALL clothes were “hand-me-downs.” Those “hand-me-downs” which were in the “best” shape were saved for church on Sunday.

    YOU SAY, “I got busy “shopping” … ”
    FOR NEGROES – The concept of shopping was unheard of by most. There was no bus or car to carry Negroes to Memphis. Most Negroes did not even own a mule.

    THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU SAID WAS, ” … but the hate was … not rooted in my actions or behavior but my blue eyes and German skin and what I represented.”
    FOR NEGROES – Those blue eyes and German [ANY "white"] skin are the reason World Trade Center no longer exists.

    “Deerinwater,” IF YOU NOTICED, I CORRECTED YOUR GRAMMATICAL MISTAKES – NOT, BECAUSE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO MAKE MISTAKES. I CORRECTED THEM BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF OUR DIALOGUE. YOU ARE A “white man.” I AM A “black man.” I WEAR MY HEART “ON MY SLEEVE.” MY EDUCATION MEANS
    E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G TO ME. ALTHOUGH HE IS NOT IN THIS THREAD, I WILL UTILIZE HIM, ANYWAY – IN ANOTHER THREAD, “Vigilant” ATTACKED MY EDUCATION BECAUSE I TOLD HIM HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WRITING. ["Vigilant" often criticizes the comprehensive meaning of article titles written by Personal Liberty Staff Writers].

    A BULLET TO MY HEAD IS A TRILLION-TIMES MORE DESIRABLE THAN AN ATTACK ON MY INTELLECT AND EDUCATION.

    “Deerinwater,” MY FEELINGS FOR YOU HAVE NEVER CHANGED. YOU REMAIN ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • Attaboyslim

      Gentlemen< would like to say something but first, I'll apologize. One of my first comments was to criticize your discussions on race and it was wrong of me because this is your discussion as much as it is mine so, I am sorry. The comment I wanted to make was that I can't remember when I've read so much genuinely fiery passion that still remained so calm between any two people and it is amazing to see it unfold. You should consider collaborating on a creative project.

    • deerinwater

      Okay ~ Chris, ~ you have passed my test, it’s for you and I to work to be “one” and spam the great abyss. To me, it’s nothing but a “thing” ~ something that I take great pleasure.

      Do you have a :test for me?”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “deerinwater,”

        SIR, I HAVE NO “TEST” FOR YOU. IF I PASSED YOURS, THAT IS Y-O-U-R GAME.

        WE ARE MEN. IF YOU AND I AGREE, “COOL;” IF YOU AND I DISAGREE, “COOL.” WE OWE EACH OTHER NOTHING.

        I KNOW PEOPLE ONLINE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT “RESPECT” – THAT IS SILLY; WE ARE IN CYBERSPACE. IF WE WERE TO MEET FACE-TO-FACE, WE MAY NOT CAN STAND THE SIGHT OF EACH OTHER.

        I HAVE ALWAYS TOLD YOU I HAVE NO “BEEF” WITH YOU.

        • Deerinwater

          It’s not respect but “recognition” that you want from me Chris, while the respect is welcome, I ‘m sure.

          To share with you of my earliest remembrance of “Independence” ( for mother never allowed me out of her sight) and great “wealth” ( for I never had a nickel before) and while on this solo of wealthy Independence, come face to face with the ugly face of “racism” ( that was alien to me)

          and you “up-man-ship” me with a English grammar lesson and a pissing contest about being “poor” and mother’s making candy? ~ and that is what you got out of it?

          Like I said, you passed, ~ you are a black man. My respect you have on meeting, ~ recognition takes longer.

    • deerinwater

      And on a side note Chris, ~ I am a self educated person that has “dabbled” ,~many college hours, from human anatomy and physiology, chemistry to lesser demanding things like history and English,Lit and composition ~ I;ve failed them all!!!! ~ many seminars, many continued education hours ~ in many things, while today , I run a very small empire that requires me to budget my focus. That my grammar, Semtex and spelling does not supersede my thought process, I ask you to bear with me. I do have my “brighter moments” when I’ve the time to develop them. ~ while Time! have little of.

      In any case, I sift thought tons of BS looking for anything shinny and this is why I dig on you so hard, forgive my nature.

      Respectfully,

      Deerinwater

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Society is gradually awakening to the fact that George Orwell’s nightmare prediction, “1984″, slipped quietly into control of the world’s governments after 1945:

    http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

    This conquest of democratic governments was assisted by scientists, educators and news reporters who openly promoted items (1-4) of the common interests of ordinary citizens, while their paymasters quietly took away items (5,6).

    1. We all want world peace.

    2. An end to racism and nationalistic warfare.

    3. An end to the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation.

    4. Cooperative efforts to protect Earth’s environment and bounty.

    5. Governments controlled by the people being governed, including.

    6. Transparency and veracity (truth) of information given to the public.

    Regretfully Eisenhower (1953-1961) and Kennedy (1961-1963) seem to be that last two US Presidents to represent the interests of the American public rather than the interests of those seeking to establish a one-world tyrannical government.

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-818

    With deep regrets,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com

  • Vigilannie

    Great article…..glad someone is facing/printing facts………(Dr. Judy Wood has some VERY interesting facts you should look into…) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWjktDuIhR8&feature=player_embedded

  • HeavyDuty70

    After reading the majority of these posts I am amazed at how many of you are still wondering around with your eyes closed in a fantsy world where you belive everthing the powers that be tell you is the absolute truth. You are the very people who don’t know your history and are condemened to repeat it. WAKE UP!!! For goodnessake people, it’s about time you do your own research and discover the truth that you can’t belive any of what they say because all they want is your cooperation to bring in the NWO or global government or what ever you want to call it. Read the books they publish, read the articles they write, listen to what they say in interviews with a meadia that is sympathtic to their cause. Eventually they screw up just like their VP and let slip some ensight to their real agenda. These people in power around the world who join such “benign” groups as the Council on Forign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the UN, are the very people (elitiest) who want nothing better than to control every aspect of your lives. How is it that when it comes to passing laws that would increase the freedom(s) of the people it takes govenment forever to compose and pass such a bill, but when it comes to limiting or taking away your freedoms they are “Johnny-on-the-spot” with such bills as the Patirot Act I and II? Remember how soon after 9/11 took place that the Patirot Act was pushed through Congress with a number of Senators and Representatives voting for it after never reading it? They didn’t need to read it, they were already told to vote for it by the powers that be.

    I think that alot of you have lost your common sense the Good Lord gave you. Remember, you must stand for something or you will fall for anything. Ike said in his last presidential speech that we should beware the “military industrial complex” and it is these powers that be who run things. The secret meetings these people have conducted in the past have brought us such things as the Federal Reserve, the Patirot Act, and ObamaCare. What’s next on their agenda? If you don’t know then you are already lost.

    • HeavyDuty70

      After reviewing my last post I have discovered a number of spelling errors for which I apologize. Sometimes my brain moves faster than my fingers, especially when I get worked up about such an important subject. Thank you for barring with me. HD70

      • Deerinwater

        No problem! as a dyslexic with a 142 IQ, I understand ,$hit happens. Composition and air traffic control is not our profession. ~ Thank God !

        You lay down and i will figure it out, if there is questions ~ they only need be asked.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Deerinwater: 142 IQ? No kidding? Holy Crap!! I apologize. You had me fooled. I thought you were an idiot!

        • Deerinwater

          Depending on who you talk to, if I agreed with you would I appear bright?

          • Attaboyslim

            A three point shot from the outside and … yes, he scores! :)

        • Attaboyslim

          Bu-dump-che … he’s on a roll folks. :)

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        WELL NOW, “deerinwater,” I NOW UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SO “NOSY.” YOU THINK YOU ARE ENTITLED TO “POKE” IN OTHERS’ BUSINESS BECAUSE OF YOUR “I-Q.”

        • Deerinwater

          Oh! Gee! I’ve been “exposed”. LOL! Nothing will ever be the same again!

          Having a high IQ doesn’t make one bright or “nosy” but the capacity is there for both.

          So 9-11 was some kind of racial “paybacks” was it Chris? For all the injustice white people inflicted on people of color?

          Is that your final answer or would you like to reconsider?

          For you to believe that yourself, why would you offer us earlier that the average negro had no interest in 9-11 and it was a white mans issue?

          It could be one or the other, while I find it difficult to be both, don’t you agree?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        THAT WAS MY FINAL ANSWER; NOTHING TO RECONSIDER.

        “Deerinwater,” YOUR “ONE-UPSMANSHIP” AND SILLY OBSESSION WITH MY VALUES IS OUT-OF-CONTROL. “FACE THE FACT” – UNTIL YOU HAVE CONCRETE PROOF OF MY RACE, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE CURIOUS ABOUT ME. I GUESS, YOUR “I-Q” DEMANDS YOU ALWAYS FIND DEFINITIVE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS – THAT IS SAD.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      HD70…take heart, brother.

      People are waking up all the time. It’s coming on like a growing wave. I have seen a great deal of changing opinions by people around me. Those who a few years ago were thinking I was nuts…are now going…”Oh my GOD!”…as they start understanding the equation as it really is.

      This gradual awakening will eventually turn into the tsunami that will crash against these crooks who have committed so many crimes against humanity. All it takes is an open mind to review the facts…and the facts add up like math and point directly to the Bush’s involvment with everything from Marilyn Monroe’s death, JFK, 9/11 and…well…pretty much everything else for that matter. All tied into the same secret society that keeps popping up down through history.

      I say enough is enough and it’s time to change Washington’s diaper.

      God Bless.

      • http://jeffmainstory.wordpress.com jeffmainstory

        “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe that there would be a revolution before morning. And that revolution would be based around the Federal Reserve.” –Henry Ford

  • Attaboyslim

    How odd it is to be the only person to have a comment marked, “Your comment is awaiting moderation”? I’m not real sure I enjoy being moderated so, I’ll talk to you fine folks another time. . Slim …

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      Atta: Why do you assume that you are the only one? Paranoia?

      • Attaboyslim

        … ah, any reason not to be?
        thanks for asking. :)

        • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

          Atta: It’s happened to me several times. No big deal.

      • deerinwater

        Hmm? ~ It has only happens to me when I offer more then one link. Atta, moderation is very lax and forgiving on Bob Livingston Forums. If you experience excessive moderation here, you will experience it everywhere you go.

        All views and opinions, right or left are displayed, If your are being subjected to moderation , it is not for your “Opinion”

        • Attaboyslim

          Thank you Sir, I understand and MikeR also pointed out the fact that it happens. Perhaps I did jump the gun a bit on that and should have waited to see what happened. This is the first topic I’ve been a part of on this forum and it has been a good experience. Thanks.

  • jopa

    Atta;Do you think perhaps there is a conspiracy out to get you?If so stick around, this place is for you.

  • Attaboyslim

    Now, jopa, that is taking it a bit too far. I’m just not too fond of censorship of any kind within reason. Ever posted to the Huffington post? From my experience, it’s all good until you get too close to the fire and then they start claiming, “it hurts, make it stop!” My comments here are no different than at Huff and I only take an offensive stance at those in power who don’t play by the rules like we do unless someone attacks me or my opinions and then I’ll become defensive and may counter attack but without vulgar insults. I mean, I could have called you an asshole for making such a smart assed comment towards me but, for the most part, everyone here seems to be on the same wave length and I’d like to think your comments was meant to be satirical. If I was wrong, well … you know the rest.

  • Dave

    ANYONE who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy or an inside job is a few bricks shy of a full load. Just like the global warming nuts…Crazy crazy crazy!

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      Dave: Ditto (from a dittohead)

  • http://www.facebook.com/whole2th John Edward Kendrick

    Nearly half of the Dept. of Naval Intelligence accounting staff were killed in the Pentagon explosions. Rumsfeld announced the day before 9/11 that $2.3 trillion (1999) was missing. In Congressional hearing, it was disclosed that an additional $1.1 trillion (year 2000) was also unaccounted for. Rabbi Dov Zakheim was the Pentagon Comptroller. He came from private industry (Systems Planning Corporation)–a company that manufactured and installed fly-by-wire systems for Boeing. Watch the pilot episode of X-Files which aired March 4, 2001 (YouTube “x-files 911″)

    And, the best is to ReDiscover911.com

    • http://www.facebook.com/whole2th John Edward Kendrick

      ReDiscover911.com

      Knowing WHO really did 9/11 is infinitely more important than arguing about how they did 9/11. Google: It wasn’t muslims. It was a Jewish plutocracy.

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Joker

        it wasn’t the muslims or the Jews it was DUVHOC I saw him do it, he did it

  • DUVHOC

    I can’t beleive this complete stupidity still gets printed.
    If you want to debate the possibility that those who should have been watching missed obvious signs or failed to take the looming threat seriously, fine.
    But to claim 9/11 was a coordinated plot from within our own government is as stupid as stupid gets.
    Lets just ignore the more complicated flaws in the conspiracy like the shear number of people it would require and look at some more obvious holes in this twit’s assertion.
    Does the author even know what a building footprint is? Perhaps he hasn’t viewed any photage of the buildings falling. In both images of the collapse in progress and after photos, it’s clear the towers engulfed at least twice their footprint.
    In one image I’ve seen dozens of times, a nearly ten story section falls apon WTC 7 and cuts a ten or fifteen story swath near a corner of WTC 7. You don’t need to be an engineer to understand how critical corners are to any stucture.
    The author further establishes his ignorance by talking about rotational forces acting on the upper portion and the mistery that portion suddenly crumbling as it falls.
    Buildings are designed to handle VERTICAL loads. The truely suprising aspect of that occurence is that it held together as far out of plumb and as long as it did.
    The artical makes no mention of natural wind acting on the building or the increasing air pressure acting on the stucture as it accerated down or the shear forces of the two sections (that which is falling and that which is being fallen apon).
    The outward wind force at ground level of both collapses was about 150 mph.
    I realize not eveyone is a forensic surveyor who works chiefly on retrofitting tall buildings in LA (like myself) but come on, think about this just a little!
    The one nice thing about the 9/11 conpiracy theory is it provides yet another voluntary moron test like space aliens built the pyramids or the Myan doomsday. Anybody who brings this stuff up voluntarily is a moron who can only be concidered for entertainment purposes.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      To call those who realize 9/11 could not have been merely the result of plane impacts morons defies logic, evidence and reasoning. Many architects and engineers, pilots, former government officials, military personnel, scholars and ordinary citizens are morons according to your statement. One of three buildings that fell at the WTC was out of plumb. What about the other two. Videos show them falling straight down. Furthermore, an out of plumb building would be expected to fall over to the side, not right itself. This was possible because the buildings composition was exploded below at a rapid synchronized rate. This was observed by surviving Firemen who heard pow, pow, pow detonatons all the way around.
      Furthermore, concrete is not totally pulverized in midair without explosive devices. nor ARE HUGE STEEL GIRDERS thrown over five hundred feet to stick out of nearby structures as some were proven to be by the videos taken that day, without explosive force. And what about the fragmented bones, found in tiny pieces on the Deutsche Bank Building roof in 2008. DNA showed them North Tower offices were directly hit? Did you know that Jim Pierce, the President’s cousin changed his meeting the evening of 9/10 out of the South Tower where he had his offices and failed to notify ten of his colleagues who died in the South Tower which also was a direct hit on his offices? Did you know that Larry Silverstein and his two adult children all failed to go to work that day at the WTC as did Pierce and Bremer? Did you know that Marvin Bush was an important member of the Security Company that controlled the access to the buildings as was Jerome Hauer for Kroll Associates, known as the CIA of Wall Street? Hauer and Bremer were both talking head experts on national TV that day and had conveniently avoided being in the buildings. Both immediately directed suspicion toward Osama bin Laden who quickly denied involvement and condemned the attacks as being contrary to his Moslem religion to kill innocent civilians? Did you know the videotape supposedly found of bin Laden bragging about 9/11, the one we conveniently “found” in Afghanistan clearly shows an imposter pretending to be bin Laden?
      Who pulled the bomb-sniffing dogs on the Thursday before 9/11?
      Why did Jeb Bush have a martial law plan for Florida ready and signed on the Friday before 9/11?
      Why didn’t the investigators respond to Scott Forbes when he reported that cable upgrades were taking place on the weekend before 9/11 with Security Cameras and Security Locks turned off?
      Who shut off Building Seven’s Fire Alarm System a little after 6:00 am on 9/11 as reported by NIST?
      Why did Building 7 fall as in controlled demolition when there were only small fires? Why did Giulliani have the building evacuated a little after nine? He said someone told him the North and Towers would fall yet did not order their evacuation. Wasn’t it coincidental that there was a biowarfare wargames site set up the night before and was conveniently nearby. Why would Barry Jennings get stuck in Building Seven after he was late to the emergency meeting and everyone had already evacuated? Because an explosion knocked out the stairway on the sixth floor landing after he was trying to leave and he had to go up to the 8th floor and await firemen to eventually rescue him. He died mysteriously at age 53 but his original interview is still available on You-tube.
      Why did Wolfowitz at West Point’s graduation in June, 2001 warn of an unexpected Pearl Harbor type event?
      Why did Bush say he saw the first plane impact on TV before going into the school (He said this publicly on two separate occasions) when it was not on TV until the day after? Why did he stay in the school for another half hour when he should have gotten out immediately as his location was publicly reported and the people inside, including those excellent little Goat story readers and his staff were also endangered by his presence, UNLESS HE KNEW THERE WOULD BE NO ATTACKS ON HIS LOCATION? He wasn’t so nonchalant during his August Texas vacation. He had 24 hour jet fighter protection then.

      You, Mr.DUVHOC, are obviously not a moron. Therefore, I think you will agree with me that even a few of these questions and facts point to an inside conspiracy. I could go on about war games and the temperature of hydrocarbon fires, and satellite infrared photos showing the heat coming off Ground Zero hotter than jet fuel ever gets for TWO MONTHS, and much more. And we have not even begun to describe the anthrax attacaks or the failure of the best military air defenses in the world flying from distant airbases or out to sea or at very slow speeds, or the hit on the Pentagon which defies logic since Hani Hanjour could not fly a Cessna let alone make a 330 degree turn and dive right where the accountants were as John EdwardKendrick documented above. The over two TRILLION dollars is still unaccounted for. Please respond Mr. DUVHOC

    • Attaboyslim

      Since we are on the subject of stupidity and morons, are you suggesting that this flawlessly planned and executed attack on the most powerful military and most technological advanced country on the planet happened at the hands of 19 … no wait, 16 … just a minute, it was 11 …. I’m sorry it may have been six because they keep turning up alive (those pesky terrorists) Muslim extremists with box cutters? And are we talking about the same 9/11? I mean, I must have watched the collapse of Building 7 and listened to the analysis of the damage prior to it’s demolition a hundred times and there must have been a dozen different people doing so and … geez, I haven’t ever heard of this fifteen foot swath being cut out of the building. Maybe you need a break from the LA smog because 1,500 Professional Architects and Engineers, firefighters, demolition experts, eye witness testimony and my very own eyes witness an entirely different scenario and have come to a very different conclusion. Oh, and for the record … the number of people in the know, would be infinitesimal. Remember the Manhattan Project? An entire town was built and 15,000 employees worked on, designed and produced the first Atomic Bomb and it remained a secret until the idiots decided to use it on innocent civilians. You may have heard of the CIA and their invention of compartmentalization?

    • gener

      You really must change your t.v. channel. No more Roadrunnr for you. Now go to bed.

  • Gloria Miller

    To Christopher Allen Horton. There are Arab Moslims coming from Chad committing genocide against the negroe Moslims in the Sudan, Dafur and what few may have remained in Chad as we type..

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Gloria Miller,”

      I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH COLORED PEOPLE FIGHTING AMONGST THEMSELVES – IF MONGOLOID MUSLIMS IN NORTHERN AFRICA ARE FIGHTING NEGROID MUSLIMS IN THE SUB-SAHARA, MAY THE “BEST MAN WIN.”

      IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, PROBLEMS START WHEN CAUCASIANS FIGHT COLORED PEOPLE AND THOSE COLORED PEOPLE RETALIATE.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Gloria Miller,”

      I AM ANTI-AMERICAN – MOST AMERICAN NEGROES ARE. BUT, SINCE I WAS BORN HERE, I “PLAY THE CARDS I WAS DEALT.”

      AMERICAN CAUCASIANS NEED TO REALIZE PEOPLE OF COLOR THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHO WANT TO COMMIT A TERRORIST ACT AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ARE MERELY, “FIGHTING BACK.” World Trade Center FELL BECAUSE OF A NEED FOR “PAYBACK.”

      • deerinwater

        You can play the cards that you are dealt just like everyone else Chris, but most people understand the nature of a bluff, and they don’t write checks their ass can’t cash. This “all or nothing” is the act of desperation and is not a virtue but a curse. Terrorist are people left with little means to fight and but a Nat attempting to fly up societies nose as they only prepare for failure and claim it a victory.

        We don’t fail because of our race, we fail because we were not prepared to win.

        A constant winner is not lucky, but prepared to win. While I’ve never met a winner that hasn’t lost, it is true that winning begets winning, as does losing.

        To apply for a job that require a man with two hands, while using one hand to hold their pants up the final out come rather certain.

        Why must winning be seen as an exception just because we can find more reasons for failure?

        On a different note, I’ve pulled most of the families holding and investment months ago with the belief that “the power that be” will do whatever is necessary to offer 44′s leadership a challenge that he cannot recover from in an effort to bring him down. I hope that I am wrong for it will not be pretty. So we also can also prepare for possibility of failure and learn to lost less.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “deerinwater,”

        THIS WILL BE MY LAST TIME DISCUSSING THIS TOPIC WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND THE NEGRO MIND. SO, TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, I WILL SAY THIS PLAIN AND HARSHLY.

        IF MIDDLE-EASTERNERS HAD KILLED EVERY CAUCASIAN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, 99.9% OF ALL OF THE NEGROES IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE HAPPY.

        BECAUSE OF SLAVERY, AMERICAN NEGROES DO NOT SUPPORT, NOR, OBEY LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL. SLAVERY WAS A LEGAL INSTITUTION – AS WELL AS – “Jim Crow.” BECAUSE MOST AMERICAN NEGROES HAVE NO MONEY, THEY CAN NOT LEAVE THIS AWFUL COUNTRY; THEREFORE, THEY ARE “STUCK” HERE. THEIR ONLY OPTION IS TO LIVE THEIR DAILY LIVES, AS “STRESS-FREE” AS, POSSIBLE.

        SINCE MANY PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY I “GENERALIZE,” I WILL SAY THIS PLAINLY.

        I AM FORTY-FIVE-YEARS OLD. I HAVE NEVER LAID MY “EYEBALLS” ON A NEGRO – WHO IS NOT MY RELATIVE – WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH ONE WORD IN THESE COMMENTS. IF THAT IS A LIE – I HOPE I FALL DEAD BEFORE I FINISH TYPING.

        • Attaboyslim

          I really didn’t want to get in the middle of this discussion but I think this is way over the top and is totally baseless. I’d like to know where your information comes from to substantiate such a claim.

        • http://Yahoo Maynard

          Your Negro story is ridiculous. I have told you about black people on both sides of 9/11. Many of my ancestors were starved out of Ireland by the potato famine & Englandd’s confiscation of Ireland’s other food sources. Do I carry a grudge and still hate England. NO! Get over it. Blacks are doing well in many fields. Do I hate the government that perpetrated 9/11. Yes. But it is not because of racial identity which is false anyway because a large percentage of American blacks have many European ancestors. Obama is called black as if he is not also half white. Race is a fallacy. We are all one species.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        CAH: You are not a black man. YOU ARE A WHITE RACIST.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Attaboyslim,”

        MY INFORMATION COMES FROM NEGROES WHO PICKED COTTON AS CHILDREN AND YOUNG ADULTS. THEY WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FACTORY JOBS WITHOUT A HIGH-SCHOOL DIPLOMA; THEY WORKED THESE JOBS THIRTY OR FORTY YEARS AND SAVED ANY EXCESS MONEY FOR THEIR “GOLDEN YEARS.”

        THESE ARE THE “REAL” NEGROES – NOT, YOUNGER ONES WHO ARE COLLEGE-EDUCATED AND HAVE “WHITE-COLLAR” JOBS BECAUSE OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

        • Attaboyslim

          Whow there big boy, not trying to change direction in mid stream now are you? Your statement, and the one I have argument with is that 99% of all blacks in this country would have been happy if the towers had been full of Caucasians. Those are the words of insanity speaking and I consider it pitifully presumptuous of you to consider yourself the “Official voice” of any race.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Attaboyslim,”

        THOSE COMMENTS I MADE REFER TO THE 99.9% OF NEGROES I MENTIONED EARLIER.

        CAUCASIANS DO NOT UNDERSTAND NEGROES’ DESIRE TO BE SOCIALLY ACCEPTED. WHEN A MICROPHONE AND/OR CAMERA IS PLACED IN A NEGRO’S FACE, HE/SHE WILL LIE AND SAY WHAT THEY THINK CAUCASIANS WANT TO HEAR.

        WHEN A NEGRO GETS A “WHITE-COLLAR” JOB, THEIR FIRST “MOVE” IS TO BECOME “STRUNG-OUT” WITH MORTGAGE- AND VEHICULAR-PAYMENTS THEY CAN NOT AFFORD. THE LAST THING THEY WANT IS TO “PISS-OFF” ANY CAUCASIAN WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO DESTROY THEM.

        OF COURSE, “Attaboyslim,” I DO NOT KNOW THE RACE OF MOST Personal Libertarians. YOU AND “Deerinwater” HAVE IDENTIFIED YOURSELVES AS CAUCASIANS. “Attaboyslim,” IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO NOTICE THAT NO Personal Libertarian WHO HAS PUBLICALLY IDENTIFIED HER-/HIMSELF AS NEGRO HAS CHALLENGED MY COMMENTS. THESE NEGROES ENJOY THIS SITE AND WANT TO BE ACCEPTED BY CAUCASIANS HERE; I ALSO ENJOY THIS SITE, BUT, I AM NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK MY MIND.

        • Attaboyslim

          Hey sport, it’d be cool if you could put that hostility to work in a positive manner but I ain’t your enemy so please stop yelling at me … my hearing is fine. Secondly, what in the hell do Libertarians have to do with you and I talking while we throw a game of shoes? That is probably one of my favorite pastimes but if you think I am affiliated with ANY Political party then pardner, you are way off base but I’ve got to admit it, you busted me red handed. Maybe I should say, Red necked? I’ve been called, “whitey”, “Cracker”, “White Boy”, “Caucasian”, “White Trash” and “Coon Ass” even though I ain’t from ‘Luzianna’ (that’s how it is pronounced) and Red Neck because I am from South Carolina but non of that seems to matter to anyone except, ‘You’. Why is it that you seem hell bent on insisting everything be about racism?

          Even that question has no purpose and you still maintain the arrogance to suggest that you have the authority to speak for every black, Negro or African American on the planet and I just don’t think you qualify. But seeing as though you want to pick a fight then let me set you straight on another item. That horse [expletive deleted] about every Negro getting a job and then getting themselves in debt … etc? Pal, in case you haven’t noticed, that aspect of life represents nearly every person in this country and while we are at it, you should try and get out a little more often. I mean, if you think that it is only Negro’s who are the only ones with a desire to be socially accepted and freeze when a microphone or camera is shoved in their face then you are wrong again. Lastly, you proclamation that no Negro’s have gotten into this debate is because they want to fit into this forum or what ever knuckleheaditis struck you in the moment you were typing, I say you are wrong, still again.

          Did it ever cross your mind that you may just be an embarrassment? Of course it didn’t because you are the voice of an entire people. Well, I’ll admit it to any body that will listen that when I see a bunch or Rednecks … I mean, real Redneck … being Redneck, I feel shame and maybe … just maybe, you bring about the same emotion which explains the reason no one … and since I’ve been participating in this Blog … Not a single person has joined your fight. Think about that Mr Christopher Allen Horton. Perhaps, spreading racism just isn’t as important to the other, “Negro’s” who participate in this discussion about September 11, 2001. You’ll also notice that I haven’t yelled once so kindly show the same respect if you intend on addressing me further.

          • MikeR

            Attaboyslim: It’s clear to me that Christopher Allen Horton is not a black man, he is a white racist conning everyone who will take the bait.

          • Attaboyslim

            Yea, I know Mike. Someone mentioned that early on and I patronized him with a few comments in the beginning. The thing is, I’ve dealt with children all my life … hell, I try and stay as young as possible but some children require a little more attention and it seems, our Mr. Horton needs it to feel alive or to fill an empty spot in his life so, how can I get too angry? The last comment I received from him had that tone of … “I’m taking my toys and going home to play with ALL My Good Friends but you never know, he may resurface as a Muslim or maybe Chinese. A strange brew, with a hint of schizophrenia that is for certain. And, Thanks Mike. Oh, wait … before I get attacked from a blind side by someone unexpectedly, the disclaimer reads as follows:

            FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND LAUGHTER-
            I am not a physician and am not qualified nor have I been trained in the method or procedures necessary to judge a persons mental health and well being on a clinical level. I base my personal diagnosis; in it’s entirety, on nothing more than an opinion. An unscientific hypothesis which declares that a white man who pretends to be a black man in order to disrupt a serious discussion on a very serious topic for no more reason than his own personal enjoyment would be a prime candidate Strange Brew Schizophrenia. I’ve reached this decision because in most cases, a racist shows hostility towards the race of their disliking and yet, this case has a racist who shows hostility towards his own race. If, however, there had been one or more redeeming qualities behind such behavior or there was a more plausible definition for this behavior, then, naturally, there would have been a different diagnosis. :)

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Atta: For a guy who doesn’t have a degree in psychiatry, I say that you diagnostic skills are absolutely excellent!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        WELL THEN, “Attaboyslim,” I HAVE NO NEED TO, “address you further!”

  • Gloria Miller

    As for those who deride conspiracy theory, there has never been a time in recoreded history when great concentrations of power did not bread conspiracy, intrigue and murder.

  • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Jose

    mr. DUVHOC there is proof that the building had explosives, the firemen witness it and the building janitor said as well. this nice lady won’t call you a moron, But I Will MORON!!!

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      Jose, I wrote a long response th DUVHOC and I did not call him a Moron even tho he called Bob Livingston, and anyone like you or me who believes there had to be government involvement because of the evidence of explosives morons. That is because I believe there are many quite intelligent people, including some of my own family members, who just find it incomprehensible that our government would use false flag operations like 9/11 and then keep quiet about it.
      Well, of course, you and I know about The Spanish-American war where the USS Maine was blown up in Havana’s harbor to get US citizens to go along with that war. We know about Operation Northwoods where Lemnitzer tried to get attacks made here and then blame them on Castro but Kennedy refused. We know about the Gulf of Tonkin where we falsely claimed our ships were attacked by the North Vietnamese. We know about the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty which we tried to allow to happen so that Egypt could be blamed and we would enter the war on Israel’s side. We know about WTC “93 where the US FBI insisted Egypt Army Officer Salem give real explosives to Muslim militants. Six were killed and enormous damage. Salem’s statement was proven by the fact that he recorded both sides’ discussions with him. It was kept quite quiet and no FBI punishment. Then we know about the incubator babies lie to get us to back the Gulf War. Then the Oklahoma City Bombing involved interior explosions and undetonated bombs as reported on local TV. Kept quiet to blame one lone militant group AND pass legislation to limit US citizens’ freedoms. Then 9/11 planned for as early as 2000 as shown by the PNAC statement that what was needed was a catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor. Signed by Wolfowitz, Perle, Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and many other neo-cons (empasis on CONs). Then the anthrax letters. Why did White House Insiders start anti-anthrax antibiotics that often have risky side effects THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE first known threat????? The first victim, Robert Stevens just happened to have published an embarassing photo of Jenna Bush, drunk and sitting on another girl’s lap. The leaks that Saddam Hussein was involved, which later proved false, got the US public mad enough to back the sensless, war crime, Iraq Attack.
      Mr. DUVHOC may not be aware of all these facts, Jose. Pero si usamos palabras como bruto para describirle es muy probable que nunca va a abrir sus ojos, ni cambiar su posicion. Por eso, no me parece buen idea llamar a los que son ignorantes, brutos. Son capaces de aprender si reciben la informacion y la evidencia que los investigadores han producido.
      Pero, gracias por expresar su posicion y vamos a seguir para cambiar la falta de comprension.

  • SJJolly

    Mr Livingston should bother to get his facts straight. I.e., “… the massive steel frames of the towers …” There were NO massive steel frames in the Towers. The vertical columns, on the outside of the towers, were the load-bearing members, and they were build of something other than massive steel. (Reinforced concrete?) Steel trusses — steel spiderwebs — held up the floors, and tied the verticals together. When the fires in the towers, and in the much smaller building 7, softened the steel trusses, they parted, allowng the floors to drop and the verticals to bow out, and the tops of all three buildings came down like Titan-size zippers. What killed the towers was an individual with some civil engineering knowledge (Osama bin Laden) and malignant intent, spotting the weakness in the tower design — it’s vulnerability to fire.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      Ridiculous! There are many true drawings of the structures. You have probably seen one of the inaccurate ones initially put out by our government lackeys. They were some of the most overbuilt powerful structurally supported buildings in History. There were over fourty two huge columns including a central core that would have stood independently if they had not been taken out by explosives. These explosives were easily placed because the central columns were surrounding elevator shafts. I’ll be back with a site where you can see the true structure.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        To see a TRUE depiction of the WTC structures go to htt//:911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html. Or just go to internet using WTC building structures to find the same source. They not only describe how overbuilt they were they also show a photo of the central, core construction which made pancake collapse IMPOSSIBLE. Building Seven had only small fires, was not hit by a plane and fell as if with controlled demolition. BBC, CNN and others announced it had fallen BEFORE, by about twenty minutes, it had already actually collapsed. Quite embarassing for them.
        The company that rapidly removed the debris before a proper forensic examination: Controlled Demolition. This was the same company that did the rapid removal at Oklahoma City.
        The Empire State Building was hit by a bomber in 1945. Did it collapse? the Windsor Building in Madrid burned for hours and the steel structure was still standing when the fires were finally burnt out. No steel-structured skyscraper has ever fallen except the three on 9/11. If this defies logic, IT SHOULD!

    • John

      The designers of the towers should have consulted a structural engineering genius like you before building such poorly designed structures. The structures were actually so poorly designed that the lower, undamaged stucture offered no resistance to collapse and allowed near free fall ACCELERATION of the structure into the basement. Just like controlled demolition.
      By the way, did you figure out how WTC 7 free fell into its basement while having not been hit by a plane? NIST can’t, but somehow I’m sure you can.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        John. The geniuses are not myself, and obviously not you. They are the hundreds of Architects and Engineers for Truth who have tried to convince the public of the facts. But you do not have to be a genius. Look at the photos of steel beams projected four or five hundred feet some of which remained protruding from nearby structures like porcupine quills from a dog’s snout. Or look at photographs of firemen standing in front of huge columns with resolidified metal that when molten dribbled down the sides of the columns like wax on a candle. These are at the base of the structure far from any hydrocarbon heat that cannot melt steel because it is not hot enough. The key to observing these columns is the fact that they have been cut in straight lines on a diagonal. This is exactly how the underpinnings of a steel frame structure are cut in CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
        What about William Rodriguez.? He had been a janitor at the WTC for almost 20 years. He was invited to the White House and feted as a hero because he had selflessly gone up and down the stairways with his key, opening locked exit doors. He was one of the last to escape alive. He reported hearing a huge sub basement explosion about 15 seconds BEFORE he heard the jet hit far above his location on or near ground level. Suddenly he was no longer treated like a hero and his testimony taken by the 9/11 Commission was WITHHELD from its report. No explosions were reported in their report despite eyewitness, visual and thermite residue in all the dust.
        You should know that the executive director was a dual US-Israeli citizen, a Bush insider and a co-author prior to 9/11 of a book with Condoleezza Rice. (Phillip Zelikow) It was like having the lawyer for the perpetrators being judge and jury. He also left out the testimony of Norman Mineta, another hero. As Secretary of Transportation he called for all planes to be grounded. He also testified he saw Dick Cheney in the White House Bunker when he arrived at about 9:15. He observed Cheney getting updates on an approaching hijacked plane. Yet Cheney obviously called for no evacuations or defenses and the Pentagon was hit. Later in September, Cheney admitted on Meet the Press he was in the bunker when the Pentagon was hit but by the time the 9/11 commission came out, guess what? Cheney did not arrive according to them until 10:00. And Mineta’s testimony was LEFT OUT OF THE REPORT! It is still on the Internet if you doubt me.

    • Attaboyslim

      Oop’s, it looks like you missed the meeting. There were 47 massive steel columns in the center of these buildings and the perimeter is where the steel framed and tightly woven mesh was installed. You really should avoid the Bars the night before a big meeting because we can’t keep covering for you on these important issues.

      • jopa

        Atta; Boy slim, what makes you think the poster was in the bars the night before he made his comment.Or are you trying to be a smart ass?

        • Attaboyslim

          smart ass.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    9-11 The Most Important Video Ever What Happened to WTC Building 7

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWZELJA_fSU&feature=player_embedded#!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    911 cover up condensed to 28mins :mainly info on the Israelis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8EweNlo8LA&feature=player_embedded#!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay
  • vic tab

    The steel was not up to code as Port Authority did not have to comply w NYC regs, the chief engineer tolr me. Is it true G.Bush’s brother was on the board of the company in charge of security at WTC? Osama was involved in CIA resistance to USSR maybe we turned on him like we turned on Sadam? who knows. Awful thought if gov’t was involved but they lied about JFK who knows what else.

  • Bob Weir

    Amazing!! GW Bush, supposedly the dumbist president according to you leftists, planned and implement this, killing 3000+ Americans? He must be the cleverst guy on the planet. And lots of people involved all keeping quiet? Did he threaten their wives? Church? Pension? The people that did this were dupes of GWB? Why cant I grasp your cleverness?
    We are on a parallel universe.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Bob Weir,”

      ARE YOU THE SINGER, GUITARIST AND FOUNDING MEMBER OF, Grateful Dead – BORN IN 1947?

      • Bob Weir

        Chris
        Unfortunately not, but I did go to one of his solo concerts in Minneapolis about 35 years ago. Me–1943, But I like the Dead and have several Gerry Garcia ties if that counts.
        Bob

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Bob Weir,”

        I HEAR YA! WHEN I SAW YOUR NAME – AND, SINCE WE ARE WORLDWIDE – I WANTED TO ASK. Grateful Dead IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BANDS.

    • Deerinwater

      Bob Weir say; “Amazing!! GW Bush, supposedly the dumbist president according to you leftists, planned and implement this, killing 3000+ Americans? ”

      Left”ist”? Is that what you think these people are? ~ Maybe more reading and research on your part would help, I don’t believe you are getting the full picture. While there might some lefties in the bunch, this conspiratorial theme is not being hatch from the left, but from people that relish in fears and conspiracies.

      I would not go so far as to say that the Bush’s were “knowingly” involved, while their name does keep popping up. I can certainly see a “puppet” Bush being used. H Bush was a man that knew how to take orders and never was a big picture man while his son W was of much lesser character and actually believe he deserved his success.

      “W” was one of the dumbest speaking, acting and arrogant behaving presidents that I know of and have personally.met. If it wasn’t for being born into privilege, W could not have got himself elected dogcatcher of a small Texas town. W was all hat and no cattle. Well ~ he probably has a small herd long horns by now ,

      • gener

        What “W” lacked in smarts he made up for in cunning. Remember when he said he spends all his time thinking of ways to harm the American people? And no one on the lectern with him batted and eye? That’s because they likely knew he was speaking his heart.
        In a similar veinJoe Scarborough admitted to Don Imus to killing his secretary which evoked a half hearted laugh from Imus.
        These people love to acknowledge their evil deeds in a way that will be fluffed off as misspeak.

    • Attaboyslim

      I’m not sure that anyone is suggesting that “W” planned and implemented this attack and God knows, I’m not suggesting anything of the sorts. Not only would he not be able to coordinate it but he doesn’t have the stomach for it but he does have the caliber to know about it and not have the courage to say anything. He is still guilty and his actions before and after the events of 9/11 are proof enough for him to be charged with the crime.

      • Bob Weir

        Dont you think 99.999% of events can be explained by incompetence and stupidity, as opposed to conspiracy?
        If not perhaps GW Bush was responsible for the plague and sunspots. He can do that, you know.

        • http://Yahoo Maynard

          Jeb Bush signed the PNAC statement in 2000 that virtually called for a New Pearl Harbor. He signed martial law for Florida just before 9/11. Incompetence might have caused George to say, on two separate occasions, that he saw the first jet fly into the WTC before he entered the school when it was not on network television until the next day. The Gaudet Brothers just happened to be filming it. (Right!)
          But Bush did not OK numerous Secret War Games on 9/11 out of incompetence. How did he not realize that there could be more dangerous attacks including his location in Florida unless he KNEW there would not be more attacks? His advisers told him to sit there until it would be feasible to consider he was out of the defensive decision-making loop. Why did he write in his diary the night of 9/11 “The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century happened today.”
          Did you see the speech he made that was shown in the movie Farenheit 9/11 that revealed he thought the failure to find WMD’s was funny? He was joking about death and destruction as a result of false pretenses. What makes you think “He didn’t have the stomach for it?”
          Was it coincidental or deliberate that bomb-sniffing dogs were pulled from the WTC on the Thursday PRIOR to workmen “installing cables” with a power down and security cameras and locks off the weekend BEFORE 9/11? Was it incompetence that caused Rumsfel do say 9/11 was “a blessing in disguise when the destruction at the Pentagon took at the accountings section that was looking for the $2.3 Trillion he had announced missing JUST ONE DAY EARELIER?
          George W is part of the Bush crime family and if they get back in power you and I will see death and destruction that makes 9/11 look like a two car crash.
          It was deliberate that there would be false radar blips to confuse air traffic controllers. It was deliberate that jets did not take off quickly, flew well below their maximum speed, flew out to sea, and were originated from distant bases. It was deliberate that a Bush insider was put in charge of the 9/11 Commission (Executive Director dual US-Israeli citizen Phillip Zelikow who had earlier co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice). It was deliberate that they changed the time of Cheney’s arrival at the Bunker until 10:00 leaving out Norman Mineta’s testimony that Cheney and of all people, Cheney’s wife, were in the Bunker when he arrived and that Cheney received updates that a jet was approaching and still did nothing. Cheney even admitted he was there on Meet the Press in September. Was it coincidental that Peter Jennings and Tim Russert both died soon?
          It was deliberate that FEMA was in town the night before and had a place for Giulliani to relocate out of Building Seven which was conveniently “pulled” in Silverstein’s words destroying SEC, CIA, FBI, banks and insurance companies when it fell straight down which it would not due if it had uneven structural damage as was claimed since the part on video looked quite intact. It was deliberate that the fire alarm system in Building Seven was turned off around 6:00 am. What was unexpected is that Barry Jennings would arrive late, get trapped inside by an explosion destroying the stairway at the sixth floor landing and he would be rescued only to tell the truth about explosions BEFORE he could be threatened to keep quiet. Was his early death at age 53 deliberate? His family is not saying.
          Was it accidental or deliberate that the scapegoat for the anthrax letters, Bruce Ivins, supposedly committed suicide BEFORE being accused and was CREMATED before an autopsy could prove why he died? The problem is,, he did not have the necessary equipment to turn the anthrax into a fine powder that would be readily dispersed when the envelopes were opened. Without that very special screening equipment, Ivins would have contaminated himself and the entire lab. Was it deliberate that Giulliani bought the site of the first victim’s contamination and then had it decontaminated. Was it coincidental that the only politicians to receive anthrax letters were Democrat leaders who had been against the Patriot (sic) Act?
          What about Giulian’s decision to quickly send Ground Zero steel to China?
          There are too many indications 9/11 was not accidental or bumbling.It was a deliberat false flag and it worked like a charm, but the fact-finding revelations ARE NOT OVER and the already revealed facts, thanks to people like Bob Livingston are beginning to be understood.

        • Attaboyslim

          Not at all Bob and based on the historical facts as well as the proven track record of the criminals in power, I’d think it easy for anyone to recognize. Let me say this, if the Government thinks you have committed a crime and charge you with it, then forever more, they will use that charge against you and yet, we simply look the other way when their crimes are continually reproducing themselves in more and more devious scenarios. During the first 100 or so years, I’d agree that accidents can happen but these guys have the game down to a science and they know how to play it because we are totally clueless about the rules. I would like to change my earlier thought about “W” after reading the post that provided enough evidence to do so because he must have been as involved as any of them and when considering that there have been five generations of Bush criminals in the spotlight and more on the way, it ought to be another obvious point. Too bad about Garcia :)

          • Bob Weir

            The Bush family owns and runs America?

          • Attaboyslim

            No no Bob, that is not what I am saying at all but they have played a major role in some of our histories biggest situations. Samuel P. Bush was close to the Rockefellers and was a board member of the Federal Reserve and then Prescott Bush gave aid to Hitler and was involved in attempting to overthrow FDR and institute a Fascist Dictatorship, George H.W. Bush was totally involved in flooding the streets of America with Cocaine and may have had a hand in JFK’s murder, George W. Bush – AWOL in Vietnam,defrauded the citizens in 2000 & 2004 with vote tampering, involved in 9/11 and may have been involved in the JFK Jr. murder, Jeb Bush – voter tampering while Governor … they are just an evil bunch

  • http://www.facebook.com/kurt.vanluven Kurt Van Luven

    The elites WANT US TO BELIEVE THEY DID IT WITHOUT saying it. Look, hate to tell ya, Kennedy was killed by Oswald. The real question is, they used the crisis to take freedom that is clear. The crime being covered up goes back to the Reagan era and the financial collapse of the Soviets. The CIA, the Federal Reserve and a few bankers made 17-23 TRILLION Dollars! Off the books. Why do you think Ron Paul wants to audit the FED? He would not be allowed to be President, no matter how many votes. There is precious little time to take our country back. Vote them all out and keep doing it until we flush them out of Washington! By the way all presidents since know about this!

    • Attaboyslim

      I disagree with you on the Oswald thing and on one side, the documentary JFK II, The Bush Connection offers compelling evidence but there is also the very long documentary, Evidence of Revision and either way, Oswald didn’t act alone. Now, on your assertion that the 9/11 event has a much longer history, I tend to agree. Has anyone here ever heard of the Black Eagle Trust Fund? Trust me when I tell you that this is some very disturbing information but it contends that this was the culmination of coverups that began back before WWII, if you can believe that and the PDF I received was entitled Collateral Damage. Google either title and have a look but it seems plausible.

  • Ron Jobst

    My initial reaction to the 9/11 events at the Pentagon was and still is “where is the plane debris” from the jet which crashed into the Pentagon? Sadly I wonder what really happened to the plane, its passengers and crew.

  • http://Yahoo Maynard

    To those who think gas blew up in the towers. Gas was not allowed. Watch the videos. You can see the puffs of hot air and gases from sychronized explosions at regular intervals, called squibs.There is one shot taken with a telephoto lens of a man being blasted out of the window like he was shot out of a cannon.
    Huge metal columns cut off at a diagonal at the base are photoed and visible on images. Just google WTC Metal Columns, images, and you will see them with firemen in front of them. Heavy steel beams were shot out of the towers at such force some even penetrated surrounding buildings like quills from a dog’s snout. Those photos are also on images. Fragmented human bones identified by their DNA from the towers were found on top of the Deutsche Bank Building in 2008. The jet had passed the bank before it hit the WTC.Human bone does not fragment into tiny pieces without explosives.
    Heat hotter than hydrocarbon fires ever get emanated from the debris pile for months because thermite has its own oxygen supply in the form of iron oxide. Hydrocarbon fires down under the pilewould have gone out instantly from lack of oxygen.
    Kroll Associates, the CIA of Wall Street, was in charge of security. Acting director was Jerome Hauer. He was a busy beaver because he had just (coincidentally) got James O’Neill and FBI expert on Osama bin Laden, to take over his job as executive director of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and had assumed also the job of Health Adviser (not the real title) at the White House. O’Neill was with Hauer the night before and oddly his body was found whole, one of the few that were. Hauer identified the body. O’Neil would have known instantly that the video supposedly found in Afghanistan was not the real Osama. Images of the real and fake Osama are also available. Google Fake Osama on the Internet images. Hauer was also seen on national TV broadcasting the notion Osama did it before anyone could know and claiming the collapses were because of plane impact and fires ignoring the fact that the buildings were highly pulverized and fragmented and not mentioning Building Seven was NOT hit by a plane and largely intact when it fell at the speed of gravity, symmetrically into its own footprint. The fire alarm system had been turned off a little after 6:00 am. Who did that? Who “told” the Mayor to abandon Builing Seven at 9:00 without warning the Towers.
    Hello! The Empire State Building was hit by a bomber in 1945. It is still there unless Chris Angel is just working his magic.
    Strangely, White House insiders were secretly given anti-anthrax antibiotics which are risky .THREE WEEKS BEFORE the first known anthrax threat. It is believed Hauer told them to do that. The first victim, Robert Stevens in Boca Raton, Fl. had published a photo of the president’s daughter, drunk and sitting on another girl’s lap. Who would want Stevens dead. (DUH!) ? Why did Giuliani purchase and have the building where Stevens was infected decontaminated???????
    Why did Jeb Bush sign martial law for Florida on Friday, September 7th????
    Why were bomb-sniffing dogs removed on September 6th?
    Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory shows how thermite can be added to paint and the painter would not even know it was going on. It is safe until a fire ignites it. The planes may or may not have had passengers but they were probably drones or on automatic pilot. The black boxes were found at the WTC but the government claimed they weren’t. Ventura’s documentary is available on You-tube. Don’t hesitate to watch it. A mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.
    Why was so much evidence excluded or changed by the 9/11 Commission under the control of Bush insider dual US_Israeli citizen Phillip Zelikow?????

  • Ron Bedell

    Great article, Bob. Thank you. I have always believed that 9/11 was well planned by the internationalists. Their conspiratorial handiwork is all over this disaster.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    In general I dismissed all conspiracy theories as paranoid nonsense, before world leaders and leaders of the scientific community tried to whitewash, ignore or justify the fraudulent global temperature data that surfaced in Climategate emails in late Nov 2009.

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2011/04/climategate-timeline

    The decision to form the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 (a decision I personally support) apparently included an unreported decision to hide energy (E) stored as mass (m) in the cores of atoms and stars (an abhorrent decision that destroyed the integrity of science and confidence in world leaders).

    Unless world leaders and leaders of the scientific community address these documented cases of deception, their credibility will continue to decline as society slides toward chaos and disruption.

    With deep regrets,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

    • Ron Bedell

      The United Nations building was bought by the Rockefellers. The Rockefellers are part of the conspiracy. Get the U.S. out of the U.N. And move the U.N. to a communist country where it would be a lot more welcome.

      • MikeR

        RB: Are you sure? One video showed a bushy haired red-headed guy running from one of the towers before the collapse. I’m sure it was Ronald McDonald. He has been uncharacteristically silent on this issue.

      • Ron Bedell

        Hi Mike. I was responding to an earlier comment about the U.N. not the Twin Towers.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Citizens of former communist countries were among the first to see the danger, Ron:

        Vaclav Klaus, Blue Planet in Green Shackles (Competitive Enterprise Institute, first edition, 2007) 100 pages, http://tinyurl.com/5z4j6g

        My summary of joint actions by Al Gore and the UN’s IPCC on AGW (global warming):

        AGW dogma is the latest action to implement a 1945 decision to save the world from nuclear annihilation by forming a tyrannical one-world government and denying the force that made our elements, birthed the Earth and the other planets, sustains our lives, and extends outward at least 100 AU from the Sun’s powerful pulsar core ! http://www.nature.com/news/voyager-s-long-goodbye-1.11348

        Oliver K. Manuel
        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Fortunately for society, tyrants have a built-in talent for self-destruction – a false illusion of control, arrogance, self-centeredness. Explained in detail here:

        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1369

  • Ron

    avgas used by the Japs is more volatile than JP4 of 5. A bomb set with a 10th of second delay will do more damage than gas alone. Aircraft carries carry a lot of explosives below deck. As for the Pentagon, where where the parts and bodies?

  • http://twitter.com/umbrarchist umbrarchist (@umbrarchist)

    This is a physics story. There are 200 skyscrapers around the world over 800 feet tall. If airliners could destroy skyscrapers 2,000 times their own mass in less than 2 hours then physicists should have explained it in 2002. But if airliners could not do it then they should have explained that in detail also.

    But Isaac Newton was a White man. Do Europeans have a monopoly on understanding physics? If not why aren’t nations all over the world accusing the US of lying if that is the case? Is everyone supposed to believe what palefaces say?

    What does this say about global psychology after 11 years?

    • http://Yahoo Maynard Runkle

      This site has aired the 9/11 false flag better than any that includes right wing “thinkers.”. However, I wonder how many responders have accepted the truth and feel the need to question our government’s stranglehold on rational behavior. I am talking about both major parties because they have both gone along with the deceptions and cover-ups.
      Obama made no attempt to become even more controversial by exposing the travesty. He is as in love with increasing his power as most leaders. He just does not have the popularity to get away with it. He has used drones against US citizens and he claims the right to arrest and use prolonged incarceration without a trial. This has been rejected by a judge but the case is far from over. As to the recent spate of shootings, does anyone else think it is possible that any of the perps were brainwashed in order to provide public approval to remove our guns? You may realize Sirhan Sirhan acted drugged when he shot RFK if you are as old as I am. He had eight bullets and even the Military Channel presented a strong case he did not act alone. He had three bullets enter from the back and counting the bullets that went into others and the ones in the ceiling and double door divider, there were more. Acoustics proved the same.
      Personally, I believe Reagan’s shooter was also brainwashed even though he was Papa Bush’s good friend’s and fellow oil tycoon’s son.

      • Ron Foreman

        The same thought came to my mind. Why would someone kill when there is no reason or knowledge of the other person or persons. No robbery in play, just nothing. People should watch Borne and read Manchurian Candidate. Something just does not add up. Another four shot in Penn by drive by. Happens every day in southside of Chicago. Someone or something is controling these people.

      • Attaboyslim

        Maynard, you are correct on all counts but what you missed was the fact that Reagan wasn’t supposed to live. Bush Sr was all set to take over only a few months after Reagan took office. Take a look at the video JFK II The Bush Connection and The Assassination of JFK Jr. to see just how sinister these people are in their bid to rule the world.

        • http://Yahoo Maynard Runkle

          Thanks Attaboyslim for the update. I had heard that JFK, Jr. had been almost at the airport on Martha’s Vineyard and the search was delayed for many hours. I will look at it further. The value of learning this depressing information is that it gives us a clearer focus when we observe other government actions. The major factions of each party go along with the constriction of our rightsl Look at how they agreed on the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, NDAA 2012, the $63 billion appropriation for domestic drones,the FEMA camps, the billions of bullets for agencies including the Social Security agency and cutting back Social Security even though it is overpaid until about 2020. Note also how they have forced the Post Office to overpay by billions into their pension, for about forty more years. No one else has to do this. Then they complain about the Post Office’s inefficiency.
          Papa Bush and the boys ended up getting their shott but they messed it up. But as you say the people in control are going to keep trying for more and more power. By the way, I believe our political problems go hand in hand with our energy problems. We are in great need of cutting drastically back on filthy fossil fuels but because the power-brokers in our government and economy are making outrageous profits, they are not going to willingly change emphasis onto clean renewable sources. The first thing Obama’s energy czar, (Chew or Chu, I think) did when he took office in 2008: ditch the hydrogen powered car research and development under Bush.
          Now, EARTH SHATTERING NEWS that you probably will never hear about in the main stream media:the University of California at San Diego has developed a 3D branched nanoware array that could develop hydrogen fuel on a mass scale. Others have developed new techniques of storing hydrogen which is now less difficult to compress without spending extra energy. Believe it or not there has been substantial progress using CHICKEN FEATHERS.”
          You won’t see the filthy fossil fuel folks and their lobbyists and legislators mentioning any thing about this. It is so much more fun to blast forests and mountain tops and pollute water supplies and oceans, because it makes them $$$$$$$$$$$$. and $$$$$$$$$$$$ helps get them even more power and control.
          Hydrogen when it is burned has ONE byproduct: Clean, Pure Water Vapor. We have at least four major manufacturers making hydrogen cars. Do you thing the hydrogen producers will get any help setting up filling stations, which will take no longer for motorists to use than gasolinefilling up with gasoline.
          By the way, hydrogen is not as dangerous as gasoline because of its light weight. In an accident, the hydrogen leak will fly high above the victims whereas gasoline is heavier than air and hovers right close to the ground and the victims.
          If we do not stop heating the earth (It has gotten hotter each of the last three decades), we will melt a lot of ancient polar and glacial ice. That contains a lot of methane which will be released. Methane is about 30 times as efficient ant trapping the rays of sun that come in our atmosphere. In other words, things will get far worse and our coastal cities will first have their fresh water compromised by salt water and then will have their land gobbled up during and storms and eventually for good. Do the filthy fossil fuel people care? Did they care about the Gulf, the tar sands in Canada, the Appalachian mountain tops, the fracking causing ground water pollution, the mercury when coal is burned? The particulate matter, the lung diseases? Will they care when their pipeline that UN Ambassador Rice has invested a million bucks of her own money in, leaks into our nations biggest aquifer? Not!

          • deerinwater

            “The first thing Obama’s energy czar, (Chew or Chu, I think) did when he took office in 2008: ditch the hydrogen powered car research and development under Bush.”

            Maybe so ~ I can’t say ~ But the focus is on Batteries and Battery research. ~ that has been the “bottle neck” for years.

            Here is an article you might enjoy;

            U.S., state to fund battery research at Argonne
            Coordinated effort will include universities, private companies
            November 30, 2012|By Julie Wernau, Chicago Tribune reporter

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            The U.S. Department of Energy has chosen Argonne National Laboratory, in suburban Lemont, to become America’s capital for battery technology.

            The announcement, to be made Friday, will include building a research facility to coordinate the clout and brainpower of five Department of Energy national laboratories, five universities and four private companies that independently have been working to advance battery technology.
            Funded with $120 million from the DOE and a $35 million commitment from Gov. Pat Quinn, the Joint Center for Energy Storage Research is expected to develop lighter, cheaper batteries for everything from smartphones to electric vehicles that store more power and charge faster.

            Chicago would be the fourth so-called Energy Innovation Hub that the DOE has established since 2010. The concept is modeled after research and development programs that spurred breakthroughs in the past, such as the Manhattan Project, which produced the first atomic bomb.

            Other hubs have been devoted to modeling and simulating nuclear reactors, developing fuels from sunlight, and improving energy efficiency in buildings.

            Like the space race of the 1960s, the U.S. is battling other nations to be at the forefront of a rapidly growing $42 billion worldwide market for rechargeable batteries that’s growing 8.6 percent per year. That number comes from research and consulting firm Frost & Sullivan, which predicts the industry’s growth rate and revenues to double by 2018.

            A breakthrough in battery technology would have major implications for the auto, wind and solar industries. In particular, the wind and solar industries are looking for affordable batteries to store intermittent power so they can provide power even when the wind isn’t blowing or the sun isn’t shining.

            Batteries that store electricity from the electrical grid are also in demand in countries where outages are frequent or in the case of natural disasters that black out cities for days.

            “We’re going to be the center of the universe when it comes to charging batteries and storing energy,” Quinn told the Tribune in an interview Thursday.

          • http://Yahoo Maynard Runkle

            Deerinwater. Battery technology is important but they also now have vehicles with their own hydrogen fuel tanks. For buses there is one that goes across the roof. As I mentioned above, there is development in storage. I saw it on NOVA on a show called “Making Things Cleaner.” It uses processed feathers. There are also fuel cells that are right in the car and the companies I remember already in operation are Fiat, which says they well install refueling stations for free in a stretch of California, to try to get some interest going. Also, Volkswagen, Toyota and next year General Motors. All of them will be able to cut costs if they could get mass production going.
            Another way to perform electrolyis is using solar energy and there are certain types of bacteria that can produce hydrogen from water in their natural process of acquiring food. The one I mentioned above was reported by Gizmag Research Watch by Darren Quick writing about U of Cal San Diego. The nanowires are made of abundant natural materials such as silicone and zinc oxide and they mimic the structure of a forest of trees with individual vertical “trees” sprouting hundreds of nano-size ‘branches’ Like forests. the structure maximizes the amount of solar energy that can be captured with the vertical structures trapping and absorbing the light while the flat surfaces reflect it. Using this nanostructure, the researchers were able to maximize the amount of solar energy captured for use in producing hydrogen fuel more efficiently.”
            Apparently a lot of developments would be furthered much more quickly but the power structure is making too much money wrecking forests, polluting ground water, ocean water, blowing off mountaintops and polluting land, air and water. Hydrocarbon production is going to not only continue to dump CO2 it is also going to make horrible messes all over. AND IT IS TOTALLY AVOIDABLE WITH THE MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT ON THE PLANET, H Y D R O G E N!
            It’s up to the people to educate themselves and then force a change. We got a man to the moon didn’t we? Some doubt that and I really do not know. But this is totally doable. They move heaven and earth, creating hell on earth, to get the filthy fossil fuels, don’t they?

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