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The 4th Amendment: May It Rest In Peace

August 30, 2010 by  

The 4th Amendment: May It Rest In Peace

In Colonial America it was common for British soldiers, tax collectors and other representatives of the Crown to obtain a writ of assistance giving them the authority to enter any home, business or ship at any time of the day or night in search of contraband goods or to interrogate the residents and owners over payment of taxes or for most any other reason.

Writs of assistance were very vague search warrants and it was a simple procedure to obtain them. They could be had for any reason or no reason from the Colonial governor or from judges — all of whom held their positions at the whim of the King of England.

In 1761 James Otis Jr., the Advocate General of Massachusetts — whose job it was to defend the issuance of the writs in court — resigned his position and took the side of 63 Boston merchants in a court battle against the writs. He represented the merchants for free, and though he lost the case in a court stacked against him, he earned the title of patriot.

It was his five-hour speech in court that served “as the spark in which originated the American Revolution,” according to John Adams, who was sitting in the courtroom at the time.

“The child of independence was then and there born, every man of an immense crowded audience appeared to me to go away as I did, ready to take arms against writs of assistance,” Adams said.

The issue was such an important one to the Colonists that it was mentioned as one of the grievances in the Declaration of Independence: “He (the king)… sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”

Since it was so important an issue to the Founding Fathers it’s not surprising that an Amendment was included in the Constitution that forbids the government from arbitrarily searching people, homes and businesses.

It was the Colonists’ experience with unreasonable searches and seizures and Otis’ speech that planted the seeds that grew into the 4th Amendment which reads:

“The right of the people to be secure in the persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

The 4th Amendment has been under assault before in our nation’s history. And that has been chronicled in other articles on this site. But now that right, guaranteed by our Constitution, is as dead as a hammer.

The most recent major assault on the 4th Amendment came in the wake of 9/11 when President George W. Bush proposed and Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act, which was most unpatriotic.

In the Senate the act passed 98 to one. Democrat Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) was the lone dissenter. Democrat Mary Landrieu (D-La.) did not vote.

In the House it passed 357-66 with nine not voting. Sixty-five of the dissenters were Democrats. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was the lone Republican to oppose the bill.

Without getting into specifics, the bill gives government investigators almost unlimited power to conduct wire taps, eavesdrop, access and search records and enter homes in an effort to root out those it considers terrorists. The bill was couched in a way that led Americans to believe it was to be used only in the war on terror but, like all other government powers, it has been abused and used against Americans. In fact, some Americans have been charged with terrorism-related offenses through the Act even though their “crimes” involved nothing more than making innocuous threats, taking or possessing photographs or drawing pictures.

The travesty is that Americans, for the most part, seemingly don’t care. They’ve decided that government should be allowed to do anything and everything “if it makes us safer.” In fact, many commenters on this subject on this site have said as much. So the heavy hand of government has grown bigger and stronger — as government is wont to do — and the USA PATRIOT Act has been renewed and strengthened.

In the name of safety we have ceded our right not to be searched at airports… almost without a whimper. First we accepted removing our shoes and opening our bags. Then we gave up our lotions, sanitizers and water bottles. Then we accepted being frisked and poked and prodded. Then we accepted having our bodies irradiated and naked pictures being taken and ogled at and saved in the system — in effect allowing government to assume we are all criminals with plans to blow up an airplane — all in the interest of “safety.”

But here’s what really killed the 4th Amendment. Technology and government have taken the next logical step beyond airport scanners. American Science and Engineering, Inc., one of the manufacturers of the backscatter radiation machines now being employed at airports, has made the backscatter radiation system portable.

The Z Backscatter Van™ allows law enforcement to look inside vehicles, buildings and homes just like the airport backscatter scanners allow agents from the Transportation and Security Administration to peer beneath your clothes.

AS&E’s website says the van:

“…is a low-cost, extremely maneuverable screening system built into a commercially available delivery van. The ZBV allows for immediate deployment in response to security threats, and its high throughput capability facilitates rapid inspections. The system’s unique "drive-by" capability allows one or two operators to conduct X-ray imaging of suspect vehicles and objects while the ZBV drives past.

“The ZBV can also be operated in stationary mode by parking the system and producing X-ray images of vehicles as they pass by. Screening can also be accomplished remotely while the system is parked. Remote operation allows scanning to be done safely, even in dangerous environments, while maintaining low-profile operation. The system is unobtrusive, as it maintains the outward appearance of an ordinary van.”

A company video of the van in action can be viewed here.

These vans and a more powerful, fire truck-sized version called the Mobile Search HE (high energy), are now on the roads in America. AS&E sold $242,093,000 of its backscatter imaging products in fiscal year 2010 with 63 percent of the sales in the United States, according to the company’s annual report. The company says 500 of the ZBVs have been sold.

The company’s main contractor — not surprisingly — was the Department of Defense, where the trucks were deployed in war zones. But the vans and trucks have been sold to other government entities — including states and municipalities — as well.

That means that, right now, ZBVs and Mobile Search HEs are prowling around our streets and towns looking into our cars, homes and businesses searching for something — anything — the heavy hand of government finds “suspicious.”

No longer are you secure in your “persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures.” Government agents can peer into your car, home and business and you will never know it until they show up on your doorstep flashing a warrant based on something they saw through the walls.

And not only are you no longer secure in your home, your thoughts — or future thoughts — are being probed as well. A University of Pennsylvania professor has developed software that the developer says can predict which individuals on probation or parole are most likely to murder or be murdered.

According to ABC News, if the software proves successful it could influence sentencing recommendations and bail amounts. It is being used in Baltimore, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.

And, of course, we already have “hate crime” laws in which judges and prosecutors deign to know the thoughts and motives behind criminal acts — giving the impression that a heinous crime is somehow even more heinous because the person harbors some type of grudge or bias.

Folks, we have reached the totalitarian regime foreshadowed in George Orwell’s 1984, where all that we do is watched and where even our thoughts have become crimes.

“The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.” — 1984, George Orwell.

No longer a thing of fiction, government has truly become Big Brother. What Orwell didn’t know is that the technology would advance to let Big Brother watch us even in darkness.

Our nation has become the Oceania of 1984, where history is changed daily, our actions are watched, our thoughts are discerned, our communities are decaying and we are in a perpetual state of war.

Buying Big Brother’s vow to keep us safe we have kicked the Constitution to the curb and if the Founders — who sacrificed so much for liberty — were alive today they would surely weep at our foolishness.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    Is there any doubt that we do not have leaders in Washington? This situation has existed for many years, but its symptoms took generations to become obvious. Is there any doubt that we have elected, domestic enemies who have sold their souls to do what no invading army could do?
    Note the profound silence coming from the White House and Congress. Note the deafening silence coming from America’s ‘media.’
    I can’t predict what will happen, but it does seem fitting that politicians in the near future will find reasons to find other careers and avoid politics. It seems fair.
    They have catered to their own needs and whims and chased fame, titles and money. ‘Be careful what you wish for’ is more than a motto. It may become the double-edged sword that saves America from its “leaders.”

    • sassisalli

      Well, why were conservative R’s so much in a hurry to decimate the 4th but so many D’s (at least in the house) opposed?? I don’t care who is D or an R as long as my rights to privacy are not impaired!!

      • hflashman

        And you fought Bush’s policies and the passages of the unPatriotic Act, Homeland Security, No Child Left behind, unfunded mandates to the states, etc just exactly how?

        • artinthewild

          I’m sorry but I “think” searching at the airports for bombs, etc. is a good thing. When the 4th Amendment was written there wasn’t terrorist, unabombers, people trying to destroy us in veneal ways. I’m an Independent, I own a gun and plan on keeping it…but if I ever fly again, I hope they do the search….

          • Dagney

            Hey, FLASH, tell us how YOU fought against these encroachments, will ya? I’m sure it will be highly entertaining.

            @artinthewild: Problem is, in this day and age, if you vote (R), you’re an enemy of (D)’s and vice versa (though not as likely). So, whichever letter in power will use this new technology more and more against the opposing letter rather than finding the nukes and manure bombs. This is the purpose of the 4th Amendment. It helps keep people more reasonable by making it hard to abridge American’s rights.

          • Wanda

            I agree with you, most of the people complaining about their so called naked bodies at airports being viewed are probaly on the internet on a porn site anyway! These people are vain, believe me they don’t have nothing everyone else has (OR DO THEY). PEOPLE WE AREN’T IN KANSAS ANYMORE. Terrorist, want to kill you and me and my family. We need to profile, x-ray,whatever it takes to protect1

          • Al Sieber

            artinthewild, the “anal” probe is next, are you ready?

          • Al Sieber

            And art, when the 4th amendment was written, the “British” were the terrorists. you think the 4th amendment is out dated?

          • Wanda Murline

            I believe that we could install a bomb encased booth where the doors close after you enter. If you are carrying a bomb, it can be detected and it causes the bomb to explode. That way, we can save the tax payer monies for court costs, etc. and I do believe that the terrorists would rather find another way.

          • DaveH

            Waah, keep me safe, at any cost. I will submit to cavity searches or whatever else you deem necessary to give me the illusion I will live longer. I will ignore the fact that all of our technology still doesn’t keep afghanis and iraqis safe. I will ignore the fact that though I could simply quit flying, I would rather impose my way on the other passengers for the slim chance that I might die.
            Please, Big Government, put us all in well-padded rooms so we might all be safer. At least if we don’t live any longer, it will sure seem like it.

            Those who give up their freedom for security will get neither.

          • DaveH

            Waah. Give me free healthcare. Give me free food. Give me free sheltor. I don’t care who has to pay for it, I am important. I don’t care that thoughout history Big Government has impoverished countries.

            http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

            I want to be protected, like the Haitians are, like the Cubans are. I don’t care whose toes are stepped on, just keep me safe and happy.

          • Freeme

            You’re part of the problem, not the solution. I pray to God there are very few who think like you.

          • John

            @artinthewild, there absolutely were ‘terrorists’ at the founding of this country. I do not have a problem with the airport scrutiny as if you don’t fly, you don’t have to deal with it. I do however have a problem with portable vans that scan me. The biggest problem is that we don’t really know what freedom is. Freedom is the ability to make a bomb or whatever. The government should not be able to do anything to you until you use the bomb. as long as we allow or have the mindset that the government should be proactive in stopping crimes then we give ALL freedoms up. there is no middle ground, no gray areas. We are either free or not, give an inch they take a mile.

          • Denniso

            Why didn’t the conservatives complain about the Bush surveilance programs,airport security,monitoring phone calls and more? He was in office for 8 yrs,plenty of time for the ‘patriots’ here to have fought
            for our freedoms.

            Airport security takes place on private grounds…no one actually has to fly…a single bomb on a plane can shut the whole system down and w/it a sizeable % of our economy. There is a case to be made for airport security but the difficulty is where to draw the line w/ invasion of privacy.

          • http://comcast danl

            I think Art is correct. What other means do we have to stop terrorist?

          • Richard

            I am 100% certain there would be no need for anyone to give up the 4th amendment should we simply choose to honor the 2nd amendment. But there would have never been a 9/11 with a well armed citizenry on those planes. Ergo, we have the leftist fight to disarm us to thank for the patriot act.

          • Bob

            John McCain introduced S3081 that would allow the gov’t to imprison Americans indefinitely without ever going to trial.

          • Chris

            Hi Art & All,
            All these devices used to keep us safe from terrorism is “ironically” forbidden to be used on Arabs(Islamist) for religious reasons. That also includes the men. So, what is the security systems actually used for, infringement on privacy. It does nothing to protect us from the terrorist, because they don’t have to go thorough the intensive screening process as we do. Just food for thought the next time you fly…

          • DaveH

            Why didn’t you complain about the Clinton phone taps, Denniso? He was in office for 8 years. Why didn’t you complain about the Sexual Harrassment by the Sexual Harrasser in Chief? Plenty of time for the Liberals to stand up for their supposed beliefs.
            I’m just saying dumb things like you are, as I have no idea if you did or didn’t, just as you have no idea if we did or didn’t.
            And there is nothing private about the Airport Security. If it was a private issue, I would say more power to them. And you could bet there would be airlines that offered different choices.
            Keep in mind that there wasn’t a bomb on any of the planes on September 11. And also, keep in mind that two bombs did get by the beefed-up security after 9/11. And I doubt that the porno cams would have caught the underwear bomber unless he had something else in his underwear that caused the security voyeurs to look harder.

          • kate8

            John, body scanners in airports today, in public buildings tomorrow.
            A few well placed bombs, maybe some people killed, and everyone accepts scanners everywhere they go.

            Is it worth that much to feel safe?

          • james

            There is a difference from searches at airports and going to a mans home or rideing by his car and invading his privace without just cause.

          • c lee

            I dont even know you but I can tell something about you by the short writings. You are a gullable fool. We wouldnt need all the scanning and searching and privacy infringements placed upon us of late if we would simply seal our boarders and control who we allow into our country just like all the other countries do. And dont give me that bullsh?? story about thats how america was founded, that was then this is now. As far as anyone infringing on my privacy let it be known they better tread litly because I for one do take the constitution litterly.

        • James

          Remember that in November and don’t put them back in.

          • Buzz Breslin

            Denniso: Glenn Beck began his warnings when Clinton was in office, and became louder while Bush was in office. God bless America.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Buzz,
            Hell of a good size crowd Beck had at the Lincoln Memorial, huh? Estimated at over 300,000 strong!! Blacks, Whites, Latinos, orientals, people from ALL walks of life!!!! Hell of a big crowd!!!

          • truesoy

            Yes, remember in Novenber that it was a ‘republican administration’ that put this nation in the path to a ‘technologically advanced communist system’, in which the government knows and controls your every move. But, as with everything else, there’ll be those that will love it because it makes them feel safe and secured, thus, destroying our freedom along the way.

        • DaveH

          How are you and Obama fighting it, Flash?

          • hflashman

            Don’t know what Obama is going to do about it. Whatever he proposes though will be attacked by the wacked Right and the GOP leadership. I repeat..whatever he proposes.

            For me? I’ll continue as I have been. I do ask questions at the town halls I attend. I do send funds to those who opposed the unPatriotic Act FROM THE BEGINNING. And i do state my case to anyone and everyone…as a citizen who knew from inception the ramifications. Just like the WTC mosque….those who oppose that are asking for huge problems later on. But what the heck…they can always forget they caused the problem and blame others later on….just like what is ocurring on this board/thread today.

          • DaveH

            Do you honestly think Obama opposes the Patriot Act, Flashman? It falls right into the kind of things that a budding dictator wants. He can’t even get us out of Iraq or Afghanistan and he promised to do those things 2 years ago.

          • Average Joe

            hflashman says:
            August 30, 2010 at 12:49 pm
            Don’t know what Obama is going to do about it. Whatever he proposes though will be attacked by the wacked Right and the GOP leadership. I repeat..whatever he proposes.

            This is what Obama “did” concerning the renewal of the Oatriot Act as senator.

            March 2, 2006, U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D – Illinois) voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act [Source: 3/2/2006 Senate Roll Call Vote #029].

            What he “didn’t do” ….Veto the renewal of the the Patriot Act in 2009…as president.

            The US House of Representatives on Thursday approved a measure to extend expiring provisions of the USA Patriot Act with no new privacy measures. Representatives voted 315-97 in favor of the measure, which would allow federal authorities to conduct “roving” wiretaps, to compel the production of business, medical, and library records, and to track so-called “lone wolf” suspects who are not affiliated with an organization or country, so long as they are not US citizens. The vote came just one day after the Senate approved the extension The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU0 criticized the extension, with Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office Laura Murphy saying:

            Congress refuses to make reforming the Patriot Act a priority and continues to punt this crucial issue down the road. Once again, we have missed an opportunity to put the proper civil liberties and privacy protections into this bill. Congress should respect the rule of law and should have taken this opportunity to better protect the privacy and freedom of innocent Americans. We shouldn’t have to live under these unconstitutional provisions for another year.

            Even though they may have overridden his veto…Just doing so would have shown that he was against it as written….alas….no veto…no proposals……

        • dmp says :

          hflashman :

          You have nothing to say but to critizise President Bush who saved America from the Terrorists and the muslims invations as we are having now under a muslim-illegal and muslim plant president. People who are afraid to be searched are those people who are hiding something illegals and with criminal-mind. America MUST WAKE UP NOW and go to the polls this November to change the abusive muslim and illegal kenyan president and his Demonscratic Congress.

          • Carole Howell

            I am very disappointed in Obama, he is mostly following what the shadow government has all laid out for us like it or not.

            I do not think any President has much real power. Do you really think Bush was in charge?

            We have lost it, it is gone. Can we can it back? Don’t know. Maybe if we get big business and special interests out of government. Completely out.

          • hflashman

            I will take every opportunity to remind everyone and anyone what Bush did to us. And he didn’t even offer us vaseline to ease the pain. Without doubt or equivication, Bush was the worst most eveil occupant of the WH in our history. I never thought I’d live to see the former “wost’ be replaced from that list…but Bush managed to top Reagan…and thus, having the two worst in 20 years slap us around, we have gotten where we are….

          • Denniso

            Bush was not only incompetent,he couldn’t even articulate his incompetence. What a bumbler and stumbler! The rightwing supporters of him want us to forget that he and Cheny set the table for the mess we’re in now on all fronts…2 unfunded and unfinished wars,one contrived for his own purposes…unfunded tax cuts mostly for the wealthiest,an unpaid for trillion $ drug plan,deregulation of the oil industry that lead to the gulf disaster,broad surveilance of American citizens phone calls and ineptitude before 9/11 when we had warnings that bin Ladden wanted to attack here. The list of Bush’s incompetence goes on and on…then the economy collapses near the end of his reign and the rightwingers go on the attack against the man elected w/ the largest mandate in decades,for the very problems brought on us by Bush/Cheny…

            Amazing!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            dmp, is this the same Bush who stated after he was warned about a probably attack, “ok, now that you have covered your arse, you can leave”? Ya think he could have issued some kind of alert, warning, just a little something to protect us?? LOL you people are living in denial.

          • RicSeag

            DMP = idiot dupe who believes anything if it aligns with his wont……even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

        • RicSeag

          I voted against Bush and his lapdogs at every turn…. I blogged regularly about how the corporatists have taken over our country, wrote commentaries for the papers and begged people to stop and look at what these guys were doing.

          Unfortunately – most of the people on your site here did EXACTLY the opposite – all in the name of partisan parochialism.

          Sad, really…….

      • Hannibal Smith

        Unfortunately it’s rather late for privacy sweetie ; this is only the technology made public.. You don’t even want to know how many people have witnessed you being naked or getting laid over time..

      • http://yahoo.com robin

        Folks… Quit blaming the parties… YOU have only your selves to balme.. Its a shame that the American People are spinless and Let big Gov, have the Power we gave p your rightsIT… NOONETO BLAME BU your selves People….. How does our constitution start out??????
        Hummmmmm i think like this .. WE THE PEOPLE .. My point made.. you give up your rights every time you go to vote.
        STAND UP AMERICA. dont think its to late yet because he hasnt come back yet !!!!!!!

        • Carole Howell

          Robin,

          You are right, the government for the people, of the people and by the people does not work because the people are not paying attention and are not working to preserve our freedom. It is our fault.

          We should have woke up when our government decided we did not have the right to know who killed JFK our president. All records were sealed, WHY? Why do the people not have the right to know everything about the assassination of OUR President? Democrat, Republican, Independent we all have a right to know.

          We should take some lessons from the people of France.

          • Paul

            This is no longer a government of the people, by the people for the people any longer. It has become a government of the government by the government for the government…….

          • Bob

            The Warren Commission report will be unsealed in 2039. I’ll only be 98yo but I’ll be sitting in front of the tube waiting.

          • eyeswideopen

            Paul, you almost got it right, it is now the United Corporations of America, run and owned by Koch Industries and the Wall Street Gang.

          • Denniso

            The Koch brothers are funding most ‘conservative’ movements and think tanks, the tea party included. Papa Koch worked for Stalin in the USSR’s oil industry and made his fortune. Seems a little ironic that the suns are pouring hundreds of millions into ‘conservative’ groups…

          • libertytrain

            Denniso – sounds very Soros-like to me —-

          • Denniso

            The Koch brothers have spent far more than Soros in supporting and funding rightwing politics,and usually well hidden. Soros doesn’t hide what he does as he’s proud of being able to support the politics he favors.

          • American Son

            Carole,

            You are right about the people have a right to know. Perhaps the majority of the people are just not that interested in knowing anymore because they are too “dumbed-down” with attention diversions from the mainstream news media and idiotic television programming. The majority of people are only concerned with details of their petty lives and feel content to let numerous government welfare and benefits programs take care of them and show no interest or participation in what the “shadow government” controllers are doing to them. And the “controllers” know how complacent they are — else all the things happening would not have happened.

            But first you need to understand that the real “controllers” are the ones who control a nation’s money system. And who is that? The coalition group of private bankers who own and run the Federal Reserve banking system. History has proven many times that the fall of any nation (such as the old Roman Empire),as one example, was preceded by an economic breakdown caused by debt. And the economy of the U.S. and its debt is worse than that of Greece. We have passed the point of no return. And what are the American people doing about it? Little to nothing.

            Fourth Amendment rights are being infringed upon? Yes. But those infringements did not apply to President Obama. A man who has admitted several times in public forum speeches that he is “not American” and was “not born in the USA.” You can see that with your own eyes on taped videos now on YouTube. See and hear him admit those things. So he has broken Constitutional law requirements to be President of the United States with fraud and nobody is doing anything about it. Why is that? Federal laws should have been in effect from the beginning — and even covered in the Constitution — to automatically remove and prosecute government officals, especially high-ranking government officials for such law-breaking frauds — and no formal impeachment proceedings requiring a majority votes from both Houses need be necessary. And, Carole the president does have powers. One of the most misused ones is the power of Executive Orders which the current president used immediately after he was sworn in to write an EO that prohibits anyone having access to his personal records (school records, birth certificate, etc.). Now, presidential EOs equate to the power of dictatorship, which a president should not be. An important question that should be fully investigated by a Senate Hearing (if those mean anything anymore) is how was this man allowed to run for the office of Senator, much less the Presidency in the first place. Are there no validations done to qualify candidates for such high offices. This president admits he was born in Kenya, had citizenship in Indonesia growing up arranged by his step-father, and is not American but is Muslim. How did he become a candidate for public office in the first place? Did the “shadow government” puppeteers put him there? His presidency is
            invalid now and from the beginning! Why doesn’t the State Department or the Justice Department or the Supreme Court or the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the Pentagon, or all of them collectively, just send in a military guard and escort him out of the Oval Office and out of the White House. His fraud violates the highest law in the land.

            Carole, did you see the movie, “W.” directed by Oliver Stone? You can be sure that Stone does detailed research when he makes a movie like this. When you see this film, how can you help but ask yourself, “How did such a flawed, misguided, father-complex individual like George W. Bush get elected to the presidency of the United States. The same applies to William Jefferson Clinton. Clinton and Obama (his made-up name) were simply good public speakers and could impress the “dumbed-down” American public and the “puppeteers” know that is all it takes to fool the people.

            Well, “fellow americans” as LBJ used to love to say, we are already in big trouble. America has been thrown into the toilet and the handle was pushed and the swirling waters are on the way down….because American citizens became too complacent since the end of WWII and do not bother to keep themselves concerned and informed about what is going on home and in the world. Speaking of the world, are you not aware that those real “bad” guys we called Nazis who initiated WWI and WWII are rapidly rising again. Now we do not call Germans “Nazis” anymore do we, even though the American Nazi Party likely still exists. Nevertheless, people Germany is again the strongest economic power in Europe and have managed to position themselves in authority control of NATO and the European Union (EU). Watch them start flexing their military muscles again in the future.

            Carole, do you have any advice as to what we Americans can do to reclaim our country? Perhaps we need some very, very strict processes of qualifications to run for the office of the presidency? We have had enough bad presidents, haven’t we? Seems like everything really went to “hell” during the last election.

            Have a good day, America! May not be many of them left.

        • Doug

          Robin hit the proverbial nail on the head. The Deceleration of Independence does start with “We the people…” When are we the people going to wake up and head off the disaster that is Washington DC. We the people have to take back the United States and back to where the founding father envisioned it. Those people in Washington have forgotten their oat to “defend and protect the constitution of the United States,,,” What they are defending and protecting is their power. Each and everyone of them at one point or anther come to the realization that they are powerful and they come to enjoy that power. Unfortunately we the people do nothing to stop it as exemplified by Mass. continually sending a person who committed a homicide to be their representative. We the people failed in our responsibility to ensure those who govern are beyond reproach. The only way to stop that is by limiting the time these corrupt people have in Washington.

          • LimestoneFreedom

            Doug… Not only limit their time, but cut their salary, expense accounts, office budgets, perks, and pensions! Most everyone says this can’t be done because they vote their own benefits. Well, it seems to me that congressmen work for the states they represent, so why can’t the States set the pay and benefits? Set at a reasonalbe amount, this might eliminate the greedy ones and bring out the real patriots that want to serve their people. Get rid of lobbyists, too… all they are is arm twisting, bribing flunkies.

          • kenholtz

            Doug, the Declaration of Independence starts “When in the course of humaan events…”–it is the Constitution tthat starts “We the people…”. Other than that, I agree with your analysis.

        • Bob

          Does anyone ever go to their town council meeting. You could count the number of attendees on one hand.

      • ChuckL

        The Patriot Act was passed on party lines just like obamacare, and just like obamacare, it is unconstitutional. That is why so many of us want it repealed also.

      • blv54

        there are no terrorist ready to jump on planes and blow you up, that underwear bomber a guy put on the plane by the government who needed an excuse to get you to accept there naked scanners, 9/11 better wake up cia had a huge hand in that reason they needed you to except the patriot act so they could get what little freedom we had left and murder people in the middleast who don’t want to go along with the nwo, our worst terror threat the united states government who does whatever the bankers want for there own personal gain.

        • Ellen

          blv54: At last, a voice of truth and reason!! Seems that most of the commenters here are sheeple bleating for Big Brother to protect them from the awful “terrorists”. They’ve accepted the lies wholesale and enable an extremely corrupt government to continue lying, stealing, and killing anyone who presumes to object. How surprised they will be when there are NO liberties left and they’re being herded to their slaughter.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          blv54,
          Would YOU volenteer to fry your crotch for your government to substantiate an act???? That guy you talk about had ROASTED NUTS!!!!!

        • Bob

          Whenever you want to find out why things happen, follow the money. Who stands to gain from the sale of these scanners. Former Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff.

        • William

          blv54 I would tell you to put the koolaid down but you have allready drank too much to the point it has addled your pea brain to the point you are just plain STUPID,

        • Harley

          You have hit the nail on the head blv54.. Too bad the ‘sheeple’ in this country can’t see thru all of these phonies in public office. Personally, I’m not afraid of what we know, I’m just afraid of what we DON’T know. Just remember…. 9-11 was an inside job, and anyone who does not believe it, or know that, is a highly un-informed individual. bin Ladin had about as much to do with 9-11 as my grandmother.. She died in 1967..

    • Walter

      I remember when Reagan fired the SKY MARSHALS.

      Decontrolled the banks, wall street and the airlines.

      Way to go “Great Communicator”.

      • DaveH

        I remember Jimmy Carter. I remember stagflation. I remember long gas lines and ever-growing gas prices. I remember a man who promised us happiness and then after his policies and the economy failed miserably told us we needed to tighten our belts and quit spending so much.

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, and just who do you think was controlling that whole situation? Come on, don’t act stupid, it was and is the Oil companies. You know the same ones who get 34 billion in subsidies presently, so that they can take that taxpayer money and decide which politicians to give money too. They won’t let us get off oil, and you are helping them. SO, SAD!!

          • Denniso

            The oil co’s and the mid East cartels w/ held oil supply and drove prices through the roof…Carter couldn’t do much about it.

          • RicSeag

            None of which are able to be fixed or otherwise affected by a president.

            We have all suffered from the mass delusion of our fellow countrymen ever since……..

          • RicSeag

            None of which are able to be fixed or otherwise affected by a president.

            We have all suffered from the mass delusion of our fellow countrymen ever since……..

      • http://Maxwell.af.mil Mickey

        President Reagan fired the Air Traffic Controller’s who illegally went on strike. Jimmy Carter deregulated the Banks, Wall Street, and the Airlines. Get your facts straight.

        WMR

      • DaveH

        We haven’t had “deregulation” in my lifetime (60 years). What many refer to as deregulation is just a different set of regulations. Read this to get a clue:
        http://reason.org/news/printer/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

      • JoJo

        He fired the Air Traffic Controllers because they were going to go on strike. Federal employees are forbidden to strike. If he did not uphold the law, the postal workers were to strike next. Please get your facts right before you post.

      • Bob

        I think Reagan would have been good but they tried to kill him and he had no choice but to get in line. The Republican Party wouldn’t support him unless he took Poppa Bush as his VP> They figured after they killed him Bush would be President.

      • Harley

        Walter:

        I don’t remember Reagan firing the ‘sky marshalls’, but I DO remember him giving amnesty to THOUSANDS of ILLEGALS…

    • Mike

      Even those Puritans weren’t so pure

    • Freeme

      thanks for the informative article. Well done! This regime is all about humiliation, intimidation to make you feel ‘lesser’ in the eyes of the elite. This is more about stifling travel for the ‘useless eater’, and someday, only air travel allowed will be for the elite UNLESS we do something about this now!
      What will it take for AMERICANS TO WAKE UP AND STOP BIG BRO? Maybe when there is no FOOD to eat, but by then they will too weak to respond and fight back.

      • http://yahoo.com robin

        YES FREEME.. thanks for your thoughts.. this is actually what need to be done,, keep telling AMERICANS to stand up and fight against BIG BRO..

        • http://zzzz Preston

          8/31/10, Freedom is fragile. It’s extremely difficult to maintain; the progression is from tyranny to outrage; revolt to complacency…back to tyranny where “We The People” seem to be right now. ~PW~

      • Marie Mandel

        Again, you are one of those who preach fear. Shame on you.

        • Ellen

          Marie Mandel: Preach fear? I think these folks are attempting to wake up a slumbering people. If you don’t know what’s coming, how can you get yourself out of the way? Perhaps you prefer not knowing……..

          • Marie Mandel

            Ellen, exactly what do you think is coming?

    • refuse2lose

      Have you ever noticed that when the government first implements something it is usually very innocent in nature,but then as time goes along it becomes hugely oppressive and usually illegal? Bush started this crap with the Patriot Act and now Obama has given it even more power. I can’t wait for ObamaCare.

      • http://yahoo.com robin

        REFUSETOLOSE.. You will lose.. If you dont gather your people together and stand up against the BIG GOV. Be the pide piper in your area and lead your people to battle against BIG BRO….

      • dmp says :

        refuse2lose :

        YOU ARE LIKE hflashman who cririzes President Bush for protecting the law-abiding citizens of America. President Bush prevented ALL TERRORISTS attacks after 911. Now under this MUSLIM and Kenyan illegal president, you are living with the MUSLIM TERRORISTS (who knows). America is NOW under the MUSLIM GOVERNMENT and soon (IF WE CONTINUE SLEEPING )will going to worship inside A MOSQUE and you will be forced to call OBAMA ALLAH. YOU CAN NOT BLAME THE PAST for the mistakes of the present. If you are a patriotic american, prepare yourself and go to the polls with all your friends and vote-out the Obamatics and the Demoncratic Congress and put in the real conservatives that will roll back all the bad laws that the OBAMATICS had forced into our throats. WAKE UP WAKE UP AND WATCH OUT.

        • Bob

          DMP you’re going off the deep end. Pull yourself together.

        • Marie Mandel

          dmp, You are a typical ignorant brainwashed fool.

          • http://personalliberty.com RChick

            Take a look at yourselves. What koolaid are you two drinking? The
            “bow at the altar of Obama” flavor? You two need to open your eyes as well. This is not a partisen thing. It’s an American thing. most ALL polititions have been corrupt. They don’t vote their common sense; they vote their party lines Hopefully we’ll get some common sense people voted in in November.

          • FuLL10

            Hey Marie, would you have accused those that saw the “Titannic” iceburg of being a “fear mongers” – for spreading the alarm? Shame on who? “Shame?” Thanks for the refresher, I didn’t know that the word “shame” was still in the lexicon of the left. It’s certainly NEVER in mind when they are looking in the mirror.

          • http://Google ProudChicagoan

            And you, Marie, are blind. Can’t wait for obamacare, can you? Want a free handout on everything? I am rather surprised that any liberals are even reading this since the libs seem to feel like government control is okay. Communism, anyone? I, for one, will quit flying. This is not about terrorists, this is about controlling Americans. The terrorists, like the ones on 9/11, are not going to walk on a plane with obvious guns or bombs or whatever. They will figure out a way to get around the security. Hell, the terrorists are already in this country working on it thanks, in part, to our wonderful (sarcasm) so-called president.

          • William

            marie you and bob sound more like the uninformed FOOLS,

        • blv54

          who are the real conservatives that will protect our freedoms? if you say republicans I’m really gonna have a good laugh.

          • kenholtz

            True conservatives are those who support the concept of limited government, who want to pursue their version of the American dream unimpeded by the onerous dictates of a bloated bureaucracy. These people are more likely to be republicans, but may not be affiliated with any political party. Someone who might speak the following:
            “With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”

        • http://?? Joe H.

          dmp,
          I think you need to wake up to the FACT that there are many just like me that will never “worship” at a muslim alter or at Nobama’s feet, for that matter, even under threat of death!!!

        • Harley

          dmp:

          Your idea is a good one, but WHERE are you going to find any REAL conservitives these days? You will have to admit that there are VERY few around…

      • Harley

        refuse2lose..

        If memory serves me, it was Klinton who initiated the Patriot Act, but Bushsky finished the job…

    • Ben South

      Short of a bloody revolution, there will
      only be more of this to come….

      Most of our so called freedoms are franchised
      or licensed by the state….parcelled out to
      whom they deem worthy and for a price.

      Plug in a smoke detector and big brother will
      get you; likewise, install a water heater….

      Have a “chronic” medical problem…we can’t get
      the meds without the doctor/establishment
      approval….along with a new bill for new tests
      for your chronic problem….got enough money, get meds.

      Tell me, which freedom, do we not have to “buy”, if
      able, and, how many freedoms are we denied because
      we can not meet some other government rule designed to
      deny our rights infavor of some other group?

      Back to the bloody revolution, perhaps some military patriot
      would take the ball, arrest all of Washington, and all still
      alive who over the last 100 years, sworn to uphold the
      constitution, try them as the traitors that they are, and
      carry out the executions…..

      And then, a new constition, that says under penalty of death,
      congress shall pass no law…

      Semper Fidelis,
      Ben South

      • http://nhmoldpro.com Art

        I agree completely…already stocked up on guns and ammo but a revolution is going to be the only way to save our freedom unless we get all constitutional conservative Governors and they decide to succeed from the union and then form there own new confederacy or something like that….the DC idiots don’t get it that we have had it with the forced confiscation of wealth in the name of programs that barely benefit anyone and since the left psiphons most of the taxpayers money through shell corps and get it back as campaign contributions, they are litterally stealing our money for good purposes and taking it for themselves…yet people sit blindly by waiting for them to lie to them so they can accept it…this country was great before progressives ruined it, took God out of everything and set us back social progress-wise, at least 1800yrs.

        • Marie Mandel

          Yes America, open your eyes, you are smart, surely you can’t actually believe all this B.S.? Will you give in to all this non-sense? For the sake of your children, I hope not.

          • FuLL10

            Keep it up Marie. Keep offering thanks and praise for our corrupt selfserving oligargic (rule of the few over the many) government. Forget term limits lets vote (just one last time) and vote them all back in as permanent royals. Ooops, maybe we have already done that!

      • http://yahoo.com robin

        BEN SOUTH….. I APLOUD YOU YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHH BROTHER.. THATS WHAT I,M TALKING ABOUT.. GLAD YOU SAID THIS. OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        Ben:

        You are (were) a Marine? Thanks for your service.

    • http://nhmoldpro.com Art

      This is why we have to stop dividing the people between right and left, most leftist Americans don’t believe anything close to the DC progressives on both sides but the Democrats have taken evil and lack of respect for our Constitution to a whole new level. As if Bush wasn’t bad enough, Obamma is making Bush look like Jeusus in comparrison….we need to vote only for those who are Constitutionally Conservative and make sure the Constitution is upheld in the context it was meant to be…litteral. The Govt isn’t allowed to do anything not listed on those founding documents.

      • http://yahoo.com robin

        ART……. will you run for our next President??
        you see whats going on. it takes eyes to see and ears to hear. But the sprit to know the difference…..

      • Bob

        How do we do that Art? Most of them lie while campaigning and people are too dumb to see through it.

        • vicki

          You might study their voting record. ;) Even that can be suspect cause the parties routinely arrange for the representatives to vote in a way that suits their belief in what their voters want.

          So read what they say then how they actually vote and what they say in congress not just on the campaign trail. Untangling it can be messy at times but it can be done.

          Had more people actually read what Obama had written (and his voting (“present”) record) fewer people would have been enthralled.

    • EddieW

      Hopefully when we get some accountable people in Wash. in Nov, we can start turning these evils around..Undoing Cap & Trade, Naked body scanners, and the incredibly high and harmful radiation they use…almost guaranteed thyroid cancer!! Undoing the tax increases, thou we need more than probably one years worth of new people for that…We have to wait till 20012 to turn the Injustice Dept. into the Justice Dept. again!! Man!!! We really have some evil people in Wash. yet 42% still support them!! Why? they trust the media to get their news!!!

    • Mark Are

      I wonder what a large tree would do to that van? Or maybe some AP rounds from 50 yards? Do you suppose it could become a bit susceptible to those kinds of problems? The fourth amendment never did give me rights to my privacy. I had them before. I find this piece of crap machine out in front of my house and we’ll see how they deal with me in a pissed off state. FEAR is what they want us to have. I say make them fear. What did Jefferson say? When the GOVERNMENT fears the people there is FREEDOM. When the PEOPLE fear the GOVERNMENT their is TYRANNY. My question to you is this…HOW do we get them to fear us? With Emails to “our” so called representatives? BULL CRAP.

      • http://yahoo.com robin

        hahaha…. Mark… i like you too…. you see what is going on as well. but Mark if you did cut the tree down.. with todays science and tech. they would be knocking on your door instantly .. ha ha But you need to run for vice President with Art i think it was… I mean NOW!!!!HONETLY though its going to take some strong peole to stand up against BIG BRO now and I mean some one who has been i leadership befor. A retired GENERAL or in comparison to…

    • Buzz Breslin

      It is amazing that we allow this to continue unabated. Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of the generation now in roles of leadership! It saddens me.

    • Robert smith

      For many years I have watched the U.S. turn into a police state.
      Most do not understand what is going on here.
      It is called The New World Order and they run things here not our government.
      You need to get on the internet and go to infowars.com and here what Alex Jones has to say about all ot this.
      I find that all he says is true.

    • EddieW

      The worst of it, no one seems to be even talking about, the huge amounts of radiation those body scanners use!!! Going through one of them several times, almost certaintly gives you thyroid cancver!! Even Dental xrays can give you thyroid cancer, my dentist covered my neck with the lead blanket, before doing an xray, and it was there I learned of the horrific danger…A body scanner gives you a dose 400 times what you would get in a lung xray…but being part of the population reduction group, they really don’t care!!!

    • Void1972

      Problem, reaction, solution! The true world as we know it! Learn the game of chess.

  • dan az

    Bob
    And they called us parenoid and now its all in the open why a scare tactic for whats getting ready to come? I found this also very disturbing today about how oboma went to the UN to have them go agaisnt arizona law and to undermine the constitution since congress is afraid to stand up and the courts are bending slightly we have yet to hear what the supreme court has to say about the law. Anyway this is what I found!
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-hauls-arizona-before-the-un-human-rights-council/

    • Al Sieber

      dan, thanks for the link, I found the same on ABC news out of Phoenix last night and put it on Face Book.

      • Jack

        Bush was a war criminal.

        Right?

        • Wanda

          JACK,JACK,JACK!!! You have it so wrong. Obama,Pelosi,Reid and others on the left are the war criminals.

          • Hugh Jordan

            Please… Bush is not without sin either. That’s why we need new leaders who are are not just slaves to the party, but serve the people and do what they believe is right for the country. Send the toadies home.

            Pathological liars like Carl Rove can stay home, too.

          • real patriot

            GET away from the two party paradigm,they are the same scum begs in both party’s.That’s the problem, only a two party media,they shill for the left evil,or the right evil.only a handful of differences between the two

        • Peg

          Wrong Jack,
          The Congress voted to start the Iraq War – Bush didn’t do that on his own…..the Congress included many of those who later bashed Bush for his decision, but they were complicit. Does that make Bush a war criminal or does it make all of them war criminals? No! They thought they were doing the right thing. Get all your facts, Jack!

          • RicSeag

            Peg…

            Clearly you were stoned from 2001-2004…..

            Bush sent the troops in and claimed power as the ‘unitary executive’ to take us to war….then asked Congress for funding. He knowingly told numerous lies to justify his illegal war, then his lackeys in the press (not liberal by ANY reasonable standard) to paint anyone who dared question what was going on as a traitor and anti-patriot.

            Then he turned loose the corporate raiders to pillage our treasury from Iraq.

            Don’t forget, Peg, that the Repugs held the House during the first six Bush years, the Senate was a tie for the first 2 years, and Republican for the next 4 years. We all knew where Cheney would fall if there was a tie….

            The Iraq War is 100% at the feet of the Republicans…..all $1Trillion of it.

        • Wayne

          Obama is an idiot who does not have any sense of what is going on in this country. His show of weakness and his lack of experience, or maybe he just doesn’t give a damn, is weaking this nation. Let’s get his Zombies out of Congress in Nov. After that we can work on getting Obama, and his other Zombies fired in 2012 if we still have a country that we call the United States. The Obama administration only knows how to blame others for his own down fall.

          • Wayne

            One more note: Just remember, the Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006 and what have they accomplished? It was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd’s negligent with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that caused this economic melt down in the first place. I don’t understand why any sensible person cannot see that.

        • Tom

          NO,he saved your miserable a..!

          • JoJo

            Tom, go back to sleep.

        • Ben South

          They are all criminals, down to the
          aides that shuffle the coffee.

          Semper Fidelis,
          Ben South

          • Bob

            All of our presidents in the last 100 years have been controlled by the rich Elites.

          • RicSeag

            Prior to 100 years ago, all our presidents WERE the rich elite……

        • Marie Mandel

          Jack, absolutely. No doubt. This is recognized by the international court.

          • FuLL10

            Right-on Marie. Lets give thanks to the International Court of Bush bashers. Is that court in Copenhagen or Amsterdam or…? Is this the same moral court that supports the U.N. authority to state that 12 year old children at the age of sexual consent?

      • dan az

        Al
        I heard or read somewhere that he was the chairman of the UN is this right?If so that is illegal too!I cant believe this moron, every day there is something new. I hope they try to intervein with the constitution as to say its racist you never know they did put some guy in that believes is shari law and he may be the one that we deal with.

        • Marie Mandel

          You really are delusional.

    • Bob

      If McCain was elected he would be doing the same as Obama because they don’t make any decisions. They are told what to do. Everyone thins it’s because of the “shoe bomber”. Do people really believe that BS?

      • DaveH

        No doubt, Bob. But McCain might have been even more dangerous in the sense that he probably would have grown Government more slowly and not stepped on so many toes so quickly. And he probably would have gotten away with it. The citizens would have most likely remained in their stupors.
        Obama, in his reckless lust for total Government power, has wakened Americans like no other president in my lifetime. That is a good thing.

        • FuLL10

          Amen.

        • vicki

          One of the things I told my conservative friends why I was not at all upset that not only was Obama elected but a filibuster proof majority too. Like you I knew that the democrats could not possibly control themselves and would turn up the heat on the frog too quickly. And that they have.

    • DaveH

      Dan, Thanks. Unbelievable. That statement “the original flaw of the U.S. Constitution, America’s tolerance for slavery” is typical Liberal double-speak. That wasn’t a flaw in the Constitution. It was a flaw in the states adherence to the Constitution and the concepts of Freedom. It is like saying that a murder proves that laws against murder are flawed.
      It has been obvious to me for a long time that Obama is contemptuous of our Freedom.

      • dan az

        Dave H
        the wto sounds like the nwo what I found was that the US has only one vote in it and has lost all.Dosent look good seems to me that this down hill slide is out of control!The treaties that keep getting signed are controlled by wto and I also found that if congress dose nothing then it automaticly gets passed Nafta and gat had everything to do with it and congress just lets it slide and lets the wto make all the decissions for them by not doing anything.reads bill if passed will compound the problems that exist now. it looks like were already in the nwo but just havent seen the take over.

        • DaveH

          The first sign of trouble, Dan, was when they convinced the Citizens that Free Trade could be administered by a Government Panel. That’s an Oxymoron.
          If other countries are protecting their industries from competition, let them. Protectionism hurts the administering country more than it hurts the target countries. Protectionism was one of the main reasons for our Depression. Protecting companies from competition is little different than protecting people from their own laziness.
          http://mises.org/daily/3515

    • Warrior

      If this little gem doesn’t wake people up, nothing will. States have no rights under this regime and the United States evidently is no longer a sovereign nation. Anything goes with these communists!

      • dan az

        Warrior
        Hope allot more see it.Its not just him against az. but against the intire nation.

    • EddieW

      The UN has no right to tell our States or our citizens anything!!!
      They are not quite yet the NWO, and until it comes in, they better keep their mouths shut!! I challenge them to tell Jan Brewer anything!!! Eric Holder and our new Injustice Dept. may well do untold damage to Ariz, and probably many other states as well, but not the UN!!!!

  • JeffH

    Poster child for liberal america
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1B3pI18A6c

    • Kinetic1

      JeffH
      Notice that there is a article titled “Center For Immigration Studies Reveals New Video, Announces Upcoming Event”. Rather than post your anti liberal immigration expose link on all the other articles, why not put it where it belongs? Tell you what, I’ll do it for you.

      • DaveH

        Is that a threat of violence, Kinetic? If so, thank you for being honest. I have always known who the violent segment of society is. But I think others may not.

        • http://google Jasmine

          Have you or anyone writing on this page read “Black August” by Dennis Wheatly.
          If not, do so. It will give you a first hand lesson on what is to come. Although it took place in Britain it has everything in it related to today. Wheatly worked with Churchill in London and he wrote this book just after the world war 11.
          Now stop arguing about who is right and who is wrong. Obama is destroying this country from within as was the Muslims/ Arabs plan and he will do it. It is too late to stop him. Glen Beck is trying but he is getting no help from the media. Damn them and their dirty money.Sincerely, A British/American Patriot.

          • DaveH

            Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, Jasmine.
            You might enjoy this article. It definitely makes one think:
            http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

          • Marie Mandel

            Jasmine, go back to Britain

          • EddieW

            Have you seen the video Demographic Problem? It tells exactly what is to happen in the next 25+ years!!! I honestly dodubt that anything can change this course of action…I just hope I die long before then!! It starts off too slow to suit anyone, but quickly gets to the meat!!!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9atIjykihkc

          • Carol A.

            I agree with you completely!! People are blind to the real issue here. OBama has appeared inexperienced from the beginning, but I believe that he knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and his real agenda is to destroy America and hand it over to the Islamic Muslims. Thank you for your comment:)

          • http://Google ProudChicagoan

            Marie – what is your problem? Jasmine has every right to express her opinions as you do. Oh, wait. You are a liberal – no one has a right to express an opinion unless they agree with you!!!

        • dan az

          Dave H
          looks like you hit a nerve!

      • JeffH

        Kinetic1, don’t need your “help”, I’ve posted it in the right place. Oh, just an FYI, you’re more than welcome to try, if you think you can.

    • Al Sieber

      Thanks JeffH, “friggin commies”, is that what they learn in college these days?

      • TIME

        Jeff & Al,
        This is called the “loop da loop” thinking, I can’t tell you how many brain dead people we know that think this way.
        Strange how when the wheel stops at their door they all of a sudden have a new thinking on such issues.

        Example; we have friends that are just like this person we have had to listen to hours on end of how “Rich Fat Cats” Like me are such scum.
        So when she and her Hubie got a $6.95 million dollar inheritance, they both felt they were.
        #1, Taxed far to much as they should have gotten the full $10 Million they were left. Its was totaly unfair that they had to pay tax’s on this money as it was theirs and not the Governments, or as they both said over and over it was Bush who stole their money.

        #2, They then invested in Apartments, in Sec 6 housing so they would be sure to be paid from the Government monthly.
        Yea I know you gotta love it, right.

        But then along comes the Government a few years later who wants to do the old “imminent domain” trick and pay the “fair market value.”

        They then felt the land was worth 100X what its Fair Market value was, keep in mind the old {Sec 6 housing.}
        So was the land really worth $100 million dollars as they were looking to get?

        Its always the bad guys who see the truth and tell the “QUASI LIBERALS” what they don’t want to hear that are the problems.

        You would have loved to hear the rants on this, it was all Bush’s fault! “Loop Da Loop.”

        So breaking the law and being in a country illegaly is 100% ok, well that is until the wheel stops at their door.
        Sad its just very sad how mentaly ill many people are.

        • Warrior

          You are the Correct Time!

        • dan az

          Time
          its sounds like rope a dope!

    • Craig

      Liberals are really that stupid….lol

  • Viktor Leben

    Amazing technology ! They can scan right thru your car/van and see what’s in them ! I wonder what type of electronic countermeasure can be used against these scanners.

    I wonder if they can scan thru lead foil ? How many layers would pose difficulty. Maybe Demron fabric could stop this scanner ?

    Considering the time it takes to enforce the Constitution ! Maybe technological means should be taken to thwart these devices.

    Here’s something you could place in your car/van. HERF gun mounted at a 90 degree angle, just put some mylar over the front ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOT2_Z-GIE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmWu31eccY0&feature=related

    Low cost tech can take out one of these vans. The costs of replacing these vans would make their usage futile …

  • hflashman

    The result of being cowardly and letting fear and hate reign supreme. Now it’s a rant against government..with nothing said about holding those responsible for allowing the unPatriotic Act to go unchallenged.

    I, and many of my friends, argued, screamed and organized aganst it…and we were shouted down being cast as ‘unpatriotic’, “terrorist lover’, and on and on. Not once was I castigated by those on the Left…every attack, every smear, every speech clling for calm and trust in the overnment keeping us “safe’…came from the Right. Without exception.

    And they reelected those that used fear and hate as the sole basis for election.

    Now…it’s coming home to roost. And you blae government. Some here will blame Obama. When the ones to blame are the cowards. The Right. The very same who wrap themselves with the flag and call them selves “patriots”…they are the ones who supported the attacks onour nation. They are the ones who supported the very goals of the terrorists. And now they attack anyone and everyone but the real culprtis…themselves. And they attack undocumented workers..not the problem or the real criminals, but undocumented workers. They attack religious groups trying to use private property in a legal way. They attack out of fear, out of hate.

    And they attack us each and every day.

    • Bruce D.

      hflashman we do not hear too much out of you now that a democratic congress and president rubber stamped the Patriot Act. Bob specifically named George Bush as the route cause. Not one critizism concerning the left on this from you. It is very hard to take you seriously as you blame others for what you yourself are guilty of. Please let us have even just a little intellectual integrety here on your part.

      • hflashman

        I fought and spoke against Bush’s atacks on us every day of his reign. Every day. I sent funds to help those fighting these laws. I voted against every person…didn’t matter Dem or GOp who spoke in support of this stuff Including at the state and local levels).

        And every chance they had, the Right and wacked Chrisitan “moral Majority” attacked me for being “unPatriotic” and said they (laws) were needed to fight terrorism…ignoring the facts we were doing a darn good job before these laws were enacted.

        Don’t blame the Dems…don’t blame me…blame yourself.

        • artinthewild

          I think all this political correctness is part of the problem…I’m a 70 year old woman who was searched, (that was fine) but…I know I didn’t look like I was carrying a bomb. Search the middle easterns – they are the ones that bombed us and if they don’t like it – let them stay home. As for the immigrants not being criminals, you better check that out. I live 3 miles from the Border and there is all kinds of “crap” going on down there. Just yesterday they had 3 bombs go off in a town close by in Mexico. They come over here because there is nothing to steal over there. Before you say anything else, check our jails and see who is there. I’m not saying we don’t have Americans in our jails but down here it is more than double with the illegals.

          • Wanda

            I agree with you. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, WELL!!!

          • Craig

            Yes the stupidity of the PC morons. Search a white haired old lady and let Arabic people go through all because they do not want to offend the Arabic looking people. Profiling words, PC does not.

          • DaveH

            I accuse our government of being complicit in the events that resulted in 9/11. No, I’m not saying they purposely supported the terrorists. But they have disarmed the flying citizens to the point where they weren’t even able to stop a handful of terrorists with box-knives. That is pathetic. They have turned us into a bunch of helpless sheep who have no way of protecting ourselves against evil people. That is their answer to safety? I’ll pass.

          • Kinetic1

            A good friend of mine is of Italian decent, but with her olive skin tones and thick, dark hair she is pulled out of line almost every time. Even when it’s just a shuttle from LA to San Francisco the ask her to step out, they go through her luggage and give her “special” treatment. So “Search the middle easterns – they are the ones that bombed us” doesn’t work. In fact, who’s to say that the next bomber won’t be another Tim McVeigh?

            The whole point of this article is that none of use deserve this treatment, unless there is something to suggest that we are a threat. So far, this sort of activity has been limited to plane travel, maybe the train. Here we have evidence that those who trust no one are ready to move, not just to ALL forms of transportation, but from the sound of this article, they will be watching everything we do!

            The last time they re-upped the Patriot act, I recall arguing with many of you about why it was a bad thing. I was that crazy Lib who didn’t seem to understand that I had nothing to fear if I hadn’t done anything wrong. I complained about the President and members of the Democratic party who were voting for it, and was told that they were right this time. And here some of you are, still telling us Libs how stupid we are. Still gong on about the need for safety trumping all. If this had been about the government using the latest electronic advance to track gun owners, most of you would be screaming about your second amendment rights, but since it’s not, your willing to ignore the constitution. I guess there are only a few amendments you really care about.

          • http://comcast danl

            70 year old art you make a lot of sense.

          • DaveH

            Kinetic,
            I’m with you on the Patriot Act. But, if you’re a Liberal you probably believe in riding on the backs of others, and other forms of Big Government. I would be happy to be wrong about that.

          • Kinetic1

            DaveH,
            You know, it’s hard to fit into a pidgin hole. There are some government programs that I support that you might consider giveaways, but there are others where I’m sure we agree. Then there are those darn shades of gray. I know that welfare and health programs have their problems, and I accept the fact that there are those who cheat the system, but I don’t think we can go back to the pre depression era where everyone was on their own.

            My wife works in the not-for-profit world and we are amazed at what lessons need to be taught. It’s hard to believe that so many people in this world don’t even understand the importance of washing their hands before eating! We could say that it’s not worth the money to try and teach these people, but then we get a cholera outbreak and everyone is at risk.

            On the other hand, do we need to have military bases in every country? I support the military and believe in it’s importance in defending our nation, but should we be subsidizing the rest of the free world? We have it very good in America. Even the worst off among us have it better than some parts of the world. But I admit that there is a point where we have to stop and consider the cost to our own.

            As for the subject at hand, no matter what steps we take, if a terrorist really wants to take down a plane, they will. We can all fly nude and send our baggage on a separate plane, but it won’t stop a shoulder mounted missile launcher. And the way the arms manufacturers are raking in the bucks theses days, how hard is it to get ahold of one? Is it really any harder than putting together en elaborate scheme to take over the plane? So let’s stop giving up our freedom for a false sense of safety. I have nothing to hide, but that doesn’t mean that I want everything in my life to be public.

          • DaveH

            Kinetic,
            I will add to that. We play right into the Terrorists hands when we fall for the bullcrap that security is worth giving up our freedom. That is exactly what the radical Islamics want. They want a nation of docile sheep that accept Big Government as the only way. It will be much easier for them to take over in that case.

            About your charity ideas. I am charitable to a fault. I give away too much, but then I don’t really need much to be happy. And if you are charitable also, I applaud you. But it is not charity to give other peoples’ money away. It is theft.

        • Tony

          A darn good job? What rock were you living under on Sep 11th? We are STILL doing a horrible job! The funny part is, you don’t see the ultra successful uses of the Patriot Act- because they don’t make the news! Hey, I will be the first to admit that every barrel has a bad apple or two in it. It is not the Patriot Act itself, it is the poor oversight. Again, we wouldn’t need the Patriot Act if law enforcement was allowed to openly profile- gee…that’s how crime is solved! They even have whole departments dedicated to profiling criminals in the FBI- but that is discriminatory according to the liberal left. Look at the second and third order effects of what you propose- an honest look -then get back to me.

          • DaveH

            Do you think there weren’t evil people with bombs when our Forefathers instituted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
            Of course there were. But our Founders were smart enough to know that those same people could be leaders. In fact, those kind of people gravitate to leadership because they lack the morality that most of us possess, so it’s no problem at all for them to tell us those sweet-sounding lies to get what they want.
            Wake Up!

        • Angel

          The ones that are to blame is the Illuminati who are wanting global control. There is more than just the 4th amendment at stake here. The Dems and Repubs are equal in this sense as the Illuminati owns BOTH sides. Can’t you get that? They are working together for a common goal.
          Complete global takeover. But…you down Christians. Well, truthfully, true Christians know what is happening because it is all in the bible. I have known about the Illuminati since 1981 and what the agenda was. A One world government being this NWO. A global currency and a global religion…worshiping your government, rather, the one in charge who will be the anti-christ.

          So, as it was since the beginning of time, it is a fight over good versus evil. Satan wants to be in control and be worshiped. He can never be like God because God doesn’t have to use people to accomplish anything. Satan does.

          • Patricia Smith

            Angel: You are so right. This NWO has been on the books for quite a while and will come sooner rather than later.

          • Bob

            When NWO people read the remarks on this website they must wet their pants laughing at all the dumbed-down Americans fighting and calling each other names. That’s why they will take over America without ever firing a shot.

          • Angel

            Well Bob…that has been the plan all along. Dismantle America from within. Divide and conquer and while people are arguing over one thing, they can be busy doing something while we aren’t paying attention.

          • Conservatives United

            Amen!!! For those of us who understand Biblical Prohecy, the end result is very clear. The NWO will not create the true global goverment, because their intent is to create a Communist stye dictatorship, of which they will succeed in doing for a short time. Only when Jesus returns, will we have a true global government, with real peace in the world. Satan will then be defeated.

          • DaveH

            Global Government will never work, no matter who is in charge. Anybody who thinks it would is deluding themselves.
            Most of us can’t even get along with our spouses. And some people think there can be one Government that will make all the world’s different cultures peaceful and happy? Dream On.

        • Bruce D.

          hflashman I am not part of the moral majority. This is your quote. “Don’t blame the Dems…don’t blame me…blame yourself.” You have made my case that you lack intellectual integrity. It is really not believable when you say you voted against a democrat. There is no one more closed minded than you on this site. You just try to veil it by talking a lot of nonsense.

        • dan az

          Flash
          It started to gain momentum with ruby ridge and oaklahoma bush just added the signature and now bo wants to take it to the next step they are all guilty and after november I say we go back after the ones that are still alive and make them also held to the treason charges.

      • hflashman

        I did not say anything about the “Left’….correct. I stated it was caused by people letting fear and hate rule common sense. I stated it was those who shouted anyone who opposed the unPatriotic Act, who questioned Bush’s seal for going into Iraq, etc…those are the ones who gave it away. Funny thing…that was the Right who supported Bush…not many on the “Left” supported any of thses attacks on our Rights, freedoms and liberties

        Yet…reading this thread…the attacks are against Pres. Obama and the Dems. It’s what oe gets dealing with knee jerk, foamin’ at the uth robotic followers of the Right wing. They don’t and won’t think…

      • Jim

        Let’s not let hflasman join in any reindeer games!

    • TIME

      So Mr. Big Business dude, did you get arressted?

      I did for standing up aginst this absurdness, I also spent 36 days in jail for doing so before I was even allowed to speak with my lawyer.
      Then just a little over 75 days before I was released. Why? – all for not allowing some 20 year old with no training but a nice blue shirt to go through my bag tossing my suits around like so much extra junk.

      So just how loud and BIG was your protest again?

      How many congress and senate person did you call, fax, or email, write letters to?

      I bet you also are 100% Political correct too, again something I protested. I didn’t win that one; as most were asleep at the wheel thinking that was just fine to allow the Government to not allow free speech, as you don’t want to hurt anyone with what you say now do you?

      Or Let alone when I along with over 200 artist stopped Tipper Gore in her tracts when she tried to stop artist from making a living by totaly BS rhetoric about how we promote hate and what ever ills the country had at the moment.
      Sound like little Barry Soetoro’s load of BS of the moment along with the fancy pants quasi liberals? Yea Baby it is.

      Was it all worth it, You bet ya! I would do it all again right NOW.

      But Please you keep telling us all how much you have done, I just love it.

      • Tony

        Time- that sucks that you had to go through that and that is the type of idiocy that people need to be rallying against. These 20 year old, untrained, unprofessional, irresponsible kids that got their job application rejected when they applied to sweep the floor at Mickey D’s or Wal Mart- yet the TSA snatches them up like they are a hot commodity! I salute you and your dedication.

        • Bruce D.

          At Miami Airport almost all that work there have Spanish accents. It is tough to take when they are questioning you about leaving the country for a month and going through your suitcase, asking how much money you have on you, and looking over your DVDs on the assumption you are a criminal for no apparent reason. I am already off the plane wanting to go home so it is not even about boarding the plane.

          • Tony

            See my comment about the highly professional pool of employee candidates the TSA uses…..I actually had to call a friend of mine in D.C. a few years ago because the TSA dolts at Holleywood Intl. completely lost control of their checkpoint, yet tried to bully me when I pointed out the huge hole in their security that was going to cause me to miss my flight. The supervisor was all in my face, even after I presented my credentials, until HIS boss got a call directly from DC. Gee…then it was a completely different attitude….and they called in 10 more “agents” to sure up the checkpoint and fixed the problems I pointed out. It shouldn’t take connections like that to get professional performance from these guys.

          • Marie Mandel

            remember that is what these workers are taught to do in their training.
            I take it you don’t like it because they have an accent. I don’t like the process in general.

          • Tony

            Well Maria, where to you think the fault lies then? IF you are correct, then the whole system is completely broken because they are all being “trained” to be incompetent, unprofessional and ineffective.

          • Bruce D.

            Maria,
            If my suitcase goes through the scanners why are they going through my suitcase. I am not boarding a plane. It is not the accent, it is the realization that people allowed in this country to work and live are now questioning my right to be in this country. That may be their job but I don’t have to like it. I think few would even care that much about illegal entry into the country by non crimminals if they were not coming here by the millions. 1 out of 8 babies born in this country are from parents here illegally. The whole city of Miama has been taken over by those born in a foreighn land. I do not feel America can survive open borders.

      • DaveH

        Several years ago, I had a guy with sores all over his arms going through my underwear and other clothes. Now, mind you, I have sympathy for whatever suffering his health problem may have caused him, but going through my underwear? It was disgusting. I washed all my clean clothes again when I got home.
        That brings up something I’d like all the woosies out there to think about. What has caused the most mass deaths of anything throughout History (excluding Dictators)? Disease is what. Think about that next time you have these people randomly handling your personal items. But they are wearing rubber gloves, you might say. Do you think that Bacteria and Viruses don’t hitch rides on rubber gloves? The rubber gloves might give some protection to the wearer, but they give no protection to the rest of us.
        Government is all about the illusion of safety. For instance, think about those tongs that we all use to pick up rolls or other items at the food buffet. If you want to get some nasty stares from others, just pick the roll up with your fingers. Yet, think about this: If you even put back the roll afterwards, it has the germs carried from your fingertips. But those tongs have the germs from everybody who has handled them previously. I would rather take my chances with one or two persons that may have touched the roll, than with every previous person that has handled those tongs.
        Note that I am not even remotely a germaphobe. I give that example solely to illustrate how we can be led to think we are safer when we really aren’t.

        • DaveH

          Okay,
          I’ve heard from the cowards. Now, my turn. None of us are going to live forever, not even close. The best that we can do is to live our short lives in the fullest manner possible. What that entails is a very individual thing. And I respect your individual choices. But I don’t respect people who try to force their fears and choices on me.
          Airliners (even including the terrorist attacks) are responsible for less than 1% of the deaths that are caused by automobiles. So, should we ban automobiles? No. If you are afraid of dying, don’t drive. That is your right. But don’t saddle the rest of us with your fears.
          The same goes for flying. If you fear a terrorist bombing, and want to feel safer, either don’t fly, or lobby for an airline company that will cavity-search you to your fullest desires. But don’t saddle the rest of us with your fears. That is what Freedom is all about – Free Choices.
          Butt out of my life choices, Cowards.

          • Marie Mandel

            Right On Dave. Great Comment!

          • dan az

            Danve H
            well put!

          • http://Google ProudChicagoan

            DaveH – I agree with you 100%!!! I have been thinking along those lines; but, was so aggravated I could not think how to phrase it. And that is why I am so worried about this country. I am concerned that there are too many cowards that will go along like sheep and not enough who will stand for what they believe.

      • dan az

        Time
        Way to go brother now I know how you got your name!Thanks for your comintment your a true patriot!

    • http://charter howe

      The original purpose of the patriot act was to allow the FBI to use wiretaps and monitor surveillance communications to thwart terrorism attacks. It was never intended to be used as a convenient tool for law enforcement to step over the line to invade the privacy of American citizens. This tool when used properly can help immensly to deter situations that could lead to another 911 disaster. There is a small flaw in our right to privacy, it also gives Bin Laden’s boys cover for their dirty work of murdering innocent men, women and children. Simple legislation to come down like a ton of bricks on any law enforcement official who violates or abuses the rights of innocent people who are wrongly targeted as part of a terrorist group could be a starting point. WE THE PEOPLE are faced with a persistant murderous terrorist attitude and if we do not want to give up a little freedom to allow FBI or CIA surveillance then our consequence is even worse, we have to risk wholesale murder to our citizens by Muslim extremist. As a nation, we have more to worry about with Obama and the liberals pushing for more expansive govt that now controls 60% of our economy. When the govt owns or controls most of the resources, there is a danger to our freedoms because we are no longer protected by the constitution and the rule of law because the politicians then make our decisions for us.

      • dan az

        Howe
        what part of injust government dont you get? they are no better than the terrorist that want to do harm to you and your family?where did your liberties go?was it the terrorist that took them? Get a clue!before its to late!

    • Wanda

      YOUR THE HATERS!!! You and others on the left. The chosen one OBAMA is trying to destroy and collapse AMERICA. My salvation for one is not a collected effort. My salvation came from me personally accepting JESUS CHRIST AS MY SAVIOR. You and your haters(SATAN CONTROLLED/ANTI-CHRIST)people on the left need to repent and pray to God for our country.

      • Angel

        AMEN Wanda….Amen!

    • DaveH

      Flashman,
      You don’t like the Patriot Act? Are you alone amongst your Liberal buddies in that dislike? If not, why isn’t your hero doing something about it? Could it be that Freedom is the last thing on Obama’s mind?

      • TIME

        Dave,

        Point well taken! Good post.

      • hflashman

        You support the Ariz. law? You likie having the movement towards a National ID because you want to hate those who came here for work..and refuse to punish the employers of the same?

        Go away…you need to hate and fear..and conveniently forget YOU caused the issues today. Not me…I’m the one you said was “unpatriotic’ for fighting those laws.

        BTW…do you support Gitmo? Think about that and the ramifications….no trial. No charges. Yep…nice thoughts eh?

        • DaveH

          Flashman, where did that rant come from? You know nothing about me. Show me where I said anything even remotely resembling your accusations. Quit putting words in my mouth.
          What is it with you Liberals that you have to resort to every manipulative tactic in the book?

          • Kinetic1

            Be fair, Dave.
            I can’t begin to count the number of unfounded accusations I’ve had to endure from conservatives on this site. There are people who play this game on both sides.

            I agree that Obama should try and do something about the Patriot Act, but I doubt he will. Remember, it’s the congress that will have to make the changes, and I’ll bet that the Republicans would go after the President for being “weak on terror” if he even suggested giving us back our rights. Plus, it’s another one of these issues where the Dems know they would never get the votes, so why expose yourself.

          • DaveH

            Kinetic,
            If the Dems wanted to get rid of the Patriot Act, they would. They sure aren’t afraid of Republican labels or they wouldn’t have rammed Healthcare down our collective throats.

          • Bob

            Dave It seems that anyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% is a Liberal or Progressive. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

    • Marie Mandel

      hflashman, you forgot “ignorance” some of them (most) I must say are incredibly ignorant. I am always amazed on how people can let themselves be brain-washed by a bunch of political clowns and not even try to sort fact from fiction, or dispute the BS they are fed.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    It is so sad that we cannot trust those who have been elected to represent us. Those days are gone, probably never to come back. Greed, lack of morals and standards have taken so many in Washington down a road they never should have went.

    • Josh

      Those days never existed

      • DaveH

        I think you’re right, Josh. Jefferson was wise to those who gravitate to leadership.

  • http://williamsjohnb@live.com J. B. Williams

    Our President promised when he campaigned that he would “CHANGE” the way we did government. He is going to take one amendment at a time. He still has three years to keep his promise. It is time for us to pull our heads out of wherever we stuck them so we wouldn’t hear what he really planned to “CHANGE” and begin defending our Constitution befoe we have “LOST” our rights completely. Now who is color blind?
    JBW

    • hflashman

      It wasn’t Obama..it was an is YOU ! THAT is whee blame lies. There, with you and every other one who let Bush and Co. lad by fear and hate. YOU. Get it?

      Jeesh…you’re even too cowardly to admit that.

      • Al Sieber

        hf, Obama just renewed the Patriot Act, he’s equally to blame.

      • Tony

        And how many other presidents have sued a state for trying to enforce the law? How many other presidents have brought in a foreign president to get his take on what US law should be? How many other presidents have tried to circumvent the will of the people, thumb his nose at our system, and bring our issue before the UN before it has been through our own judicial system. But, when your boy isn’t even eligible to be in that office, what can you expect? Adherence to the Constitution? Yeah, right….

        • Wanda

          Tony I just hope others will wake up before its to late. Hopefully african americans will stop being so prejuice and racist and really look at the issues not just the skin color. When Iran, and other terrorists blow us away it want matter what their skin color was. People if your american remember 9-11, guess what the terrorists didn’t care what skin color you were. ALL YOU HAVE TO BE TO A TERRORIST IS AN AMERICAN AND THEY WANT YOU DEAD!!!

          • TIME

            Tony,
            Many just great points within the text of your post. Thanks.

            Wanda, Any of us blacks that have an education and more over a job, don’t think Barry Soetoro is good for anything at all.
            He is making us all look stupid, let alone like criminals.
            So please understand that any of us blacks who have had to really work to get where we are, we don’t like Barry Soetoro in any way shape or form we see right through him like a clear glass window.

          • DaveH

            Time,
            My heart is with you. It must be extra tough for you these days.

    • ladymorgi

      He has two years and he’s bungled everything he’s done so far and made so many social gaffes on the world front that we’re now a laughing stock the world over…. the CHANGE some folks got talked into voting for was NOT what we expected. It will cost us so much to pay for the changes he’s made that many won’t be able to live, even with jobs.

      • Marie Mandel

        Are you confused on who is the President these days?

    • Marie Mandel

      So, which rights are you talking about?

    • Bob

      I don’t know why everyone on this site blames people who voted for Obama. Most of the rest of you voted for McCain. He would have been worse. War hero my foot.

  • Tazio2013

    Outstanding post; especially the final four paragraphs re 1984 by George Orwell. It appears that the “1%ers/powers-that-be” have tightened the noose around our necks yet again. When will the sheeple awaken? The prognosis is poor!

  • John

    While campaigning the politicians tout how great America and the Constitution are, when elected they’re hell bent on destroying it.

  • Santi

    My brother always told me that the feds watch us while we are sitting around the tube. I believe him now. Why do you think the government changed the way we watch TV? From anolog to digital, they are always watching and listening to every word we say. Think about it.

    • Bob

      You’re right Santi. They were working on how to watch Americans through their TVs back during the Nixon Administration. They finally figured it out.

      • dan az

        Bob
        I wounder what they thought when I shot the tv?

        • Bob

          Dan you should have sold it to one of the sheeple so they could watch their heroes on Fox and MSNBC. Same crap different channel.

  • THINK ABOUT

    No problem, don’t agree with the rules of flying, then exercise your right not to do so, problem solved.

    • hflashman

      I agree. And don’t drive because that’s your Right not to drive so they can track you with the sat GPSs built into cars, and don’t talk on the phone..because if you have nothing to hide you won’t care anyhows. And dn’t show ID when getting a train or bus ticket..and can’t pay in cash..because you are excercising your Right not to. And don’t forget….when they build that wall on the border…don’t try and go over it to travel outside the US…because walls keep folks out, and folks in. Don’t forget to carry your ID with you when you walk to the store (because you excercised your Right not to drive)..because that little ol’ law they passed in some state was carried out…to the letter. And it breached that barrier against having to have a National ID. And that lil ol harmless law against allowing “immoral’ stuff on the ‘net? Well…seems they widened that as well since it went on the books without opposition from the Christian Right. And the protests against a mosque on private property? Seems that set precedent for other restrictions on private property rights so why oppose it later when you support it now?

      Because that way…you’re safe. Which is what you wanted. Right?

      • Tony

        hflash- you are the kind that would hand our country over to a bunch of illegals that shouldn’t be here in the first place. You are the kind that voted to give them social benefits that they never paid into. You are the kind that sticks your head in the sand while they commit crime after crime in our country and thumb their nose at our laws….and why? Because you are the kind that doesn’t mind that someone that shouldn’t even be here is stuffing the ballot box in favor of your delusional left candidates.

        • Wanda

          Tony you are so right. The chosen one (HE THINKS HE IS ANYWAY)OBAMA could care less about Americans. He just wants to destroy America.

          • Bob

            Obama’s going to be there as long as he is useful to the NWO crowd. So instead of getting apopleptic over his birth certificate start working on getting congress changed.

          • Marie Mandel

            Wanda, are you for real? You are a good example of what it is like to be brainwahed or just plain ignorant.

        • Marie Mandel

          Tony, aren’t you the one that is delusional? Guess who is picking your produce? fixing your roads and do all the things that you and non-illegals don’t want to do. These people work hard, and no, they do not gets all the benefits you think they do.

          • TrueAmerican

            Marie, There are NO jobs that Americans won’t take. My family were migrant farm workers. I have washed dishes and cleaned houses. Your argument is wrong.

          • Kinetic1

            True American,
            I live in dairy country and I can tell you first hand, times are changing. Young men are no longer willing to do the hard work of pitching hay and herding the cattle, and even if they were willing, their parents don’t want them going out at 4:00 am to do the work.

            A recent study found that there is a shortage of tradesmen in America. It seems that many of our young people don’t want to be plumbers or electricians anymore. They want the glamorous, high paying jobs and their parents are willing to send them to college to get them. Shoot, even the kids have stopped working like we did. I made good money as a kid doing yard work around town, but I can’t find a jr. high or high school kid to work in my yard. Those high school classes in woodworking, auto mechanics, etc. are disappearing. Everyone wants to be a stock broker, or a lawyer, or even a CSI tech. If this study is correct, then what makes you think Americans will pick lettuce?

          • Tony

            Marie- don’t play the “nobody else will do these jobs” card with me. Even IF that were true (which, contrary to what you believe, it is NOT true), that justifies breaking our laws, stealing our identities, sucking up our social benefits, sending money OUT of our economy, and stuffing our ballot boxes with illegal votes? Either you are one of them, related to one of them (anchor baby?), or just plain brainwashed with the leftist political ideology that is the cancer of our country right now. Which one(s) is it?

          • dan az

            Marie mandel
            Can you say the same for the mexican mafia,the hamas,the islamic terrorist and all the others that crossed the borders?

          • Al Sieber

            JEEZ MARIE, does you mother know you’re on her computer?

          • artinthewild

            Kenetic has it right. When these younger people get hungry they will do whatever they can. Trust me, the immigrants get plenty that we can’t – they get free hospitalization, if they disobey the traffic laws, they only get warnings, they get welfare, foodstamps and if our schools are going to get aid from the government, we have to accept illegal aliens. Again, what about the crimes committed by these people. I grant you, some are hard working, but many want it the easy way. What we need to do is go to the Welfare offices, get all the names and send all of them back to Mexico. You do know they are afraid to be over there to because of the Zetas and other cartels. The ones who have the money are buying homes on this side of the border…

          • http://Google ProudChicagoan

            Marie – do you really support illegals in this country? Why?? Maybe, you are an illegal yourself!!! The excuse that the illegal immigrants will take jobs Americans won’t just does not fly anymore!!! I could care less if they didn’t cost us anything at all – THEY ARE IN MY COUNTRY ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!

        • Marie Mandel

          Tony, your are a very hateful individual and very narrow minded

      • Marie Mandel

        Very good, great point. By the way I really believe that a National ID card is not a bad thing. There are many people out there who do not drive, elderly, sick etc..and need a photo ID. It does not take away freedom and would be a very convenient thing to have.

        • Bob

          MM The new digital drivers licenses are as good as a national ID card.

          • Marie Mandel

            Bob, I am talking about people who can’t drive.

        • dan az

          marie
          I hear the chip can solve all those problems when they implant you with one then you would not even have to carry a purse all your accounts are in your arm oh by the way they can also turn it off!

        • DaveH

          Marie,
          That is a power left to the States, in the Constitution. The Federal Government can’t Constitutionally require a National ID.

          • Marie Mandel

            Wrong! the Federal Government can mandate the issue of national ID cards.

    • Al Sieber

      THINK, I agree, I don’t fly either, but, that’s not the point, how much longer are we gonna let them push us around? we don’t have to take this $hit.

      • Marie Mandel

        Unfortunately a lot of people need to fly. You can refuse to pass the scan by the way. All passengers at the airport however need to refuse. It is bad for your health. Write to your congress.

        • TIME

          Yes Marie,
          I do, I now use a service of a small jet, it cost me just a few dollars more than flying 1st class without any of the crazy BS.

          I should have thought about this a long time ago, I guess as I used to look for “the deals” when flying and “”saving”" as much as I could hey – I would have gone in the cargo hold if it were cheep enough.

          I like keeping my money. Anyone who has really earned it you will never hear them say this stupid quote; “Its only money.”

        • dan az

          marie
          ever hear of cavity searches oh maybe you have!

          • Marie Mandel

            Uneducated and vulgar too aren’t you…

        • Bob

          Big business doesn’t want to stop illegal immigration. They make too much money off them. Say we have 20 million in this country. Every one I see has a cellphone. Mltiply that by $40.00 a month and you can see how much the phone companies are making off them. They all ride bikes etc. etc. Get my point.

  • Kathy

    Your country is only as good as the people in it. Enough said? We have lost our way. No more HONOR – principles or true Christian faith left. It’s all about power, money, greed, etc. From top to bottom. That’s why we’re losing our country. Thus, the push to “take our country back”. Those folks see the downslide from politicians and the public – to “grab” whatever they want and damn the laws, the honor, and the righteousness our founding fathers struggled to obtain. This is your America now. A country divided – giving in to anything that comes down the pike – and the citizens (includes tea party people) are trying to scream in the wilderness, only to land on deaf ears and totally misunderstood meanings, that we need to get back to what our founding fathers wished for this country.

  • Don

    FDR said; “We have nothing to Fear, but Fear itself”. Fear seems to rule the actions of Congress and Administrations, regardless of party.
    There’s a lot of fear mongering going on. One has to wonder, if we are still the land of the free and the home of the “Brave”. The Media is Fear’s greatest salesman.

  • WOODBUTCHER

    We have been warning people about this for years .When they started ramping up this foolish and failed war on drugs we warned that doing urine screens would lead to the erosion of the 4th we warned people that these DUI check points forcing people to ‘SHOW THIER PAPERS’ we warned people about the feds getting no knock warrants etc etc and no one listened .So here we are right where you where warned you would be if you helped support this foolishness in the name of a phoney war on drugs that our own govt says its fighting all while it has been repeatedly caught smuggling those drugs in to our own country .Well i hope you all are happy now and that all you who ignored the warnings and supported them in these facist actions get exactly what you desrve

  • Tony

    Bob,

    You fail to look at the second and third order effects of NOT allowing these simple searches to occur. I would be willing to bet that all of you that decry these safety measures would be the first to point your fingers at the government and blame them, the airlines, and the TSA (granted, the latter consists of a bunch of McDonald’s and Wal Mart rejects) for the next terrorist act that occurs involving commercial airliners. You cannot have it both ways. We have tried using “common sense” to screen, but then they get sued for “profiling”. Again, you can’t have it both ways. I am 100% for profiling- because it works! The liberal left decry it as “discrimination”. Sorry, but if I am hunting ducks, then I look for fowl with webbed feet, feathers, and a beak. I may occasionally startle a goose or a swan, but I most certainly shouldn’t be bothering cows, goats, deer, and moose……I am hunting duck for crying out loud! The liberal left can’t seem to get that one through their heads. So, what we are left with is no choice but to make EVERYONE, regardless of whether or not they have feathers, be eligible for my duck hunt. THAT makes no sense. So, if you want to restore our full 4th Amendment rights, you need to address the fact that profiling MUST be allowed in place of a blanket policy. Profiling is not “unreasonable”- if an individual fits a certain criteria, then they are checked. This is not unreasonable- what is unreasonable is Grandma and the 8 year old boy being frisked while mom has to sip her own breast milk just to prove it is what it is….meanwhile, the group middle eastern males with one way tickets, paid for in cash, bought at the last minute, on nearly expired student visas (yet have no college that they can name), and no luggage are allowed to pleasantly walk by- for fear of causing a scene and a political black eye. You want to complain about something- complain about that.

    • Angel

      Very well put. I for one would much rather give up my security. Just to get my freedom back!

      • Bob

        It would be so much easier to hire back the sky marshalls.

    • FuLL10

      Tony, thank you – nice post.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Maybe it me, and maybe Im wrong, but this doesnt bother me at all, because I could care less if the government knows my every move, as I have nothing to hide, and it impairs my freedom none at all. Now if I were dealing drugs, kidnapping people, hauling weapons and illegal things, then I would be crying bloody murder. But since Ive nothing to hide, I could care less. If it catches one muslim terrorist ready to blow up something, then its all worth it. But I dont have the paranoid scare about being watched. Maybe if they watched me enough, they would learn how the common man lives, and get in touch with reality.

    • linda

      ummm was it Thomas Jefferson who said, “ppl who are willing to give up their freedom in order to feel safe, deserve neither”?

      • WOODBUTCHER

        It was actually Ben Franklin who said those who are willing to sacrifice liberty or freedom for temporary safety are deserving of niether it was Thomas Jefferson who said If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.” he also stated and this is very relevent to the 4th
        “If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket, what difference is it to me. Words that have little meaning in the current survielnce nightmare we now live under in what used to be a country that prized freedom and privacy and liberty above all else .

      • Al Sieber

        linda, I think it was B. Franklin, I wouldn’t give up any freedom to be secure, thats why we have the 2nd amendment.

    • Marie Mandel

      So true.

  • http://personallibertynews diane ballou

    I’m ashamed of trusting george bush AND his father, because Reagan wanted someone else and I wasn;t an informed citizen , but I do know the Lord and I should have been listening more to Him and less to bush, turning him off just like I turned off Clinton and Dean. There is a God and if we stick with Him we can defeat this like we defeated the woodrow wilson era laws.

    • Conservative at Birth

      What Woodrow Wilson era laws have been defeated? Prohibition is still an amemdment. The income tax is still in efect.

  • bob

    after 9-11 we needed something to protect us from threats but the big wigs in dc have trampld on our rights. do they have to go thru the inspection at airports? probably not because they have their own planes. the rules do not apply to them. as long as we keep our heads in the sand they will keep doing what they want to us. this is not the country that our fathers and grandfathers fought for for our freedom. instead of fighting wars over seas we are fighting one here and the enemy is our own invasive government. until we get them under control we will not have the country that our familys before us had fought so hrd for. with all the “security tools” the government have now we should all be very afraid of “big brother.” i know i am.

  • linda

    the images the airport scanners get include the person heads. tho they supposedly dont include the facial features as well. one of there spokespeople claimed its not an invasiion of privacy cos it doesnt include ppls facial features in the images. well, they lied to us about not keeping the images. they may well lying about that as well .

    • Conservative at Birth

      They are lying, at least right now.

  • John

    Preserve U.S. Sovereignty and Secure the Borders Now!

    Inexcusably, President Barack Obama recently escalated his ongoing war against Arizona, and nearly two dozen other states considering immigration enforcement legislation similar to Arizona’s S.B. 1070, and the people of the United States who have overwhelmingly called for the securing of our borders.

    On August 20, the United States, for the first time ever, submitted a 29-page “Universal Periodic Review” (UPR) to the UN Human Rights Council which outlines a laundry list of human rights problems allegedly committed by the United States. Contained within that first-time report to the UN, is a direct condemnation of S.B. 1070, legislation supported by an overwhelming majority of the American people, which seeks to do the job that the federal government has refused to do… secure our borders.

    Essentially, President Obama is siding the United Nations on sovereign United States internal affairs. Apparently his frivolous suit against the people of Arizona was not enough. It would appear that no action is too low… or too underhanded… when it comes to this administration’s never ending quest to shove a radical agenda down the throats of the American people. We don’t have a President- We have a Mafia Boss in the White House. He cares not a damn for the “Will of The People” and is in the process of attempting, by any and all means, to usurp the Powers of Congress and the Supreme Court, and consolidate them under the Office of The Presidency. “King Barak?” That is UNACCEPTABLE!

    The issue of border security is no longer simply an “immigration issue.” It has morphed into an issue of national security. Drug cartels are in the process of destabilizing the Mexican government and this rampant lawlessness is seeping across our border into the United States. The time for pontifications and half-measures is over. It’s time to stand up to President Obama, and for the American people. Secure the borders now, and remind Mr. Obama that he works for the CITIZENS, not subjects, of The United States. We don’t work for him! I, for one am tired of the “Hype and Chains” that is being forced upon us.

    If President Obama refuses to do the job that he was hired to do, and is actively engaged in Sedition and/or Treason against the United States, as he appears to be, then it is high time that the Articles of Impeachment be brought against the President, and any member of the Congress who fails to execute their Oath of Office, to protect AND defend The Constitution of The United States against ALL enemies, Foreign AND Domestic. And while we’re at it, we need to initiate actions to remove the US from the UN, and the UN from the US. The organization has become a self perpetuating, corrupt “country club” and den of thieves, and an albatross around the neck of the nations of the world. It is no more than a platform for anti-US sentiment, and we simply don’t need, and can no longer afford them. Let some other nation house, and support their meddling and corruption.

    Sincerely,
    JD

    (Feel free to copy, sign, and send to your respective Congressional Reps, as well as forwarding to all contacts on your mailing lists.)

    • Conservative at Birth

      Where is the free copy?

      • Angel

        Actually Conservative, it came in an email from Floyd Brown on the Impeach Obama Campaign. I got the same email…that you click on and pay to have faxes sent.

    • http://HEXVGF@ATT.net VGF

      J.D. You are So On Target with your assessment of this ”Big Brother Act’ this country is being Stifled by. As for the U.N.. And What it “”Supposedly” Once Stood for ( Or pretended to stand for. ) But now that it is more firmly entrenched as an entity all its` very own… “IT’ Doesn`t even pretend to Stand for anything anymore but to carry out the ‘once-hidden Agenda of the undercover ( ‘wannabe ‘ ) bunch of self-serving warthogs who are using the People against themselves to get from point A to point B while the grunts out here look the other way and let them ‘have at it.’ I can recall when MY Father tried to warn Dumb Young Me ( Over forty years ago ) About that organization…And what IT was Really All About.. how insidiously Evil it was.. I did not Understand THEN just how clearly He was seeing the overall picture. ( After all ! What could an ‘unschooled ‘..( Uninformed.. Or so I thought !) man Really Know about World affairs, anyway ! ) Seems he was Right on Target, even way back then, when he said ‘ the whole Bunch should be blown Sky-High.’ The U.N. was touted..back then..as a Good Thing for The Worlds` nations`. HOW ? I Can`t think of even One good reason Why it is a good Thing. Can YOU ? Ive observed Quite a lot of what is going on..in my many years. Too many people simply don`t give a Whit about the State of the World..long as they can watch TV, go buy, and Eat mostly what they want…GET IT ??

    • Marie Mandel

      This is a very unjust and inflammatory statement. Unfortunately there are those who will believe it. You John are not a patriot. Who do you work for?

      • FuLL10

        Marie, your phone is ringing. It’s you idol and mentor Ms. Pelosi.

    • FuLL10

      Thanks JD. Nicely done.

  • Soldier

    Well the good news is that the 1984 system will collapse when the dollar collapses. People won’t be slaving in the electric companies that provide power for all those wonderful cameras when 5 hours of work is barely enough to buy a few slices of bread. Police will very, very quickly scream “EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!!! like little girls as they did in Katrina’s aftermath and during the Rodney King riots. They will be cowering like little school girls and trying desperately to find food in the collapse rather than driving around some giant scanner for big brother. That is, unless big brother can feed them I suppose, but I have to beleive that even big brother’s control will slip up when $42,311,235,125 buys a slice of bread.

    If that doesn’t happen, then we have the solar storms in 2012 wiping out the power grid just as they wiped out the telegraph poles in the 1800s. Major scientists are saying we are a few years from being knocked back into the 1800s before electricity from solar storms.

    So rest assured!

    • Conservative at Birth

      What Scientist? Can you provide a link?

    • dan az

      sodier
      I read that too what really got me was that we dont have the transformers to replace them with so it will take years to build the amount needed to get it up and running again.This maybe why the federal buildings were updated to solar just incase!

  • Dave

    Impeach him ,fire them throw them all out ,by whatever means it takes,get rid of the rat den in D.C.!

    • Marie Mandel

      Dave, are you that miserable, that you want bad things for your country?

      • Craig

        Getting rid of the chocolate Marxist and the other rats in congress can only be good for the country.

        • dan az

          Craig
          to me he is the oreo!

          • Marie Mandel

            You sound like a nutty cookie

        • Marie Mandel

          So Craig, what do you know about the Marxists? You are one of those dangerous prejudiced jerks, I see

  • Only in America

    You are either with us or you are against us.

    It is God’s will.

    and you fools put Bush in office twice and now whine about it.

    America is doomed because they are not ignorant but stupid.

    • s c

      Greetings, Comrade O. It’s interesting to see that you guilt-ridden, doom-and-gloom progressives are out in force today. Did you have a bad time yesterday watching the ‘other side’ put you in your place? Are you running scared today?
      If America is “doomed,” does that mean you’re a closet Brit? You were born way too late, comrade. You would have been a perfect British useful idiot back in George Washington’s time. Now, you’re just another saul alinsky-style useful idiot. Have an interesting day, comrade. Hang on, it’s going to be a very bumpy ride for you and your ‘friends.’

      • dan az

        sc
        now that was good!

      • RicSeag

        SC can only shoot at the messenger, as he has nothing intelligent to say!

  • http://centurytel marci burris

    If you have nothing to hide why are you upset. This is progress in
    security. Use your brain we are not living in the 1700 or 1800.

    • Halbert

      Once all the surveillance is in place there will be no need for private citizens to own guns.

      • dan az

        Halbert on
        thats why arizona got rid of the camers who needs them we all carry concealed. Just saying!

        • Al Sieber

          You got that right dan.

      • Craig

        And just how will surveillance stop a robbery or rape? It can’t, just like cops, it can only deal with the aftermath. IT may help catch the perps but that is too late to stop the crime.

    • Tony

      Marci, security doesn’t have to come at the price of freedom- but we have been left with no choice due to the politically correct crowd. That crowd twisted the laws until our law enforcement was left with no other course than to support the curtailment of our 4th Amendment rights just so they can do their job. You want to express anger at someone? Go after the politically correct crowd; they are the ones that drove us to this point. These are the same people that feel a illegal should be entitled to all the same benefits and rights you have- because they are human too, you know! These are the same people that cry foul when law enforcement uses specific criteria to narrow the field of search when screeing for potential threats. These are the same type of people that have no problem with illegals stuffing the ballot boxes or a president blatantly defying the Constitution.

      • Bob

        The problem started when police departments started taking money from the feds. Then they got their foot in the door and eventually took over law enforcement.

  • JosieAnna Groothuis

    I had recently took a trip on Alaskan Air and went through the regular routine, shoes, earings and hair clip off. But what sucked was when I got home, a little note was in my suit case that said it had been serched, it had been gone through without me watching. I felt violated, indeed.

    I too undestand the reason we are in this mess but,at least they could do it in front of me. I am sixty five and grew up in the late fifties and early sixties. To think my grandchildren will never live in an time like those days, makes me sick! Freedom is being taken away everwhere we look. Taxes so high we all will live like a Third World Country soon.

    We need another John Adams to rise up, and if needed, men and women who are willing to die for the sake of our children and grandchildren. Those of us over fifty have been able to live in this wonderfully Country and now Must Stand for what needs to be held on to for the next generations! Freedom of every kind and our Judeo Christian Principals! Everyone, I am not against people from other countries making their home here but they should adopt to our American Ways and learn to speak English. We have always been a Country made up people of many Nations and have kept to what this Nation was established to be! Glory to the Old USA! Stand up and be counted, Americans!

    JosieAnna

    • William

      Under the patriot act they can also do warrant less searches of your home. (without your knowledge)

    • Al Sieber

      JosieAnna, next time put a Rat trap in your suitcase with a note on it: “gotcha” you s.o.b..

      • dan az

        Al
        stop it your killing me!or maybe we should leave a note that says hep c
        patient watch out for needles Ill bet they think twice!

        • Al Sieber

          Or a little bit of C-4.

    • Marie Mandel

      I guess you think that only “Judeo Christians” have good principals. Your ancestor came from somewhere else. And by the way, your english needs improving.

      • JeffH

        …another typically liberal comment…spelling cop too!

        • JeffH

          …and grammar cop…

          • dan az

            jeff
            Ill bet she just loves my misspelling oh well!

  • http://DON'THAVEONE PAUL REINKE

    WHERE IS OUR FREEDOM. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

    • Marie Mandel

      Define “freedom”

      • dan az

        m&m
        what country did you say your from?

        • Marie Mandel

          Born and raised in the US and you dan az?

      • http://blancobrite@hotmail.com willie

        Marie, contact your friend, Obama, and tell him to spread a little more wealth around to you, obviously what he is giving you now isn’t enough to purchase a dictionary.

        • http://blancobrite@hotmail.com willie

          Marie, the last entry from me re. get a dictionary was in response to your asking for the definition of “freedom”.

  • Leon

    When the 4th amendment was written, we did not have people putting babies in baby carriages, with a bomb under the baby. We did not have people carrying bomb making material aboard public transportation. The people upset about tweaking the 4th amendment, should sit down and have a long think about it. Were it not for these changes, there would be thousands of more lives lost.

    • Bob

      Leon you’re problem is you swallow all the BS the MSM feeds you. Learn to think on your own. You’d be surprised at the real truth.

  • Only in America

    When the 1st Amendment was written we didn’t have “Christians” killing doctors and blowing up abortion clinics.

    • WOODBUTCHER

      We also did not have the Federal Reserve running our banks and printing our currency we did not have cops kicking the doors of what they think is some poor person selling a couple dime bags of cannabis but getting the wrong adress and slaughtering innocent citizens who try to protect their familys from what they beleive are some one trying to rob them because they had a no knock warrant and a swat team to tkae down a person selling nickel or dime bags of a plant that grows on almost every continent on the planet and was grown by ALL of our founding fathers

      • Bob

        Here’s a great scam. The Federal Reserve lends bank money at Zero percent interest and invests that money in Gov’t bonds and makes billions on the interest from it. That’s why they don’t make loans anymore.

        • dan az

          bob
          no thats a ponsi sceam maybe thats why the gov. is doing the same thing now!

      • dan az

        woodbuthcher
        woooow when did that happen?and where?

    • Wanda

      The abortion doctors and clinics that are and were performing abortions (MURDER OF THE UNBORN) well some of them want be murdering anymore will they? Oh, why aren’t you upset about the murders of the unborn human babies. Are you a hater? If anyone knows the name and location of the church or churches where abortion doctors and abortion clinics employees attend please list so as we can see what churches are wolfs in sheep clothing. I don’t hate the sinner, I hate the sin. The elders of these churches should bring these abortion killers sins in front of the church. Just read the king james version in the holy bible.

  • http://www.trelore.wordpress.com Forest

    I disagree with your statement that a large majority of Americans just don’t care anymore.
    I ask you sir to please remember that there is still large majority out there. Who are not plugged into the grid. They refuse to get trapped by the internet.
    Only something like 40 million people actually own computers of some type of computer and An even smaller number of people actually own TVs or celphones.
    I live in a state where a good majority do not own these devices. In my own apt complex I would say half don’t.
    I have ran across a large majority of people who hate the death of the 4th Amendment. But I will admit a majority of these people who don’t own these devices would. If they could afford it the devices they would get them. And some of these people I again admit say, “well if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.”
    The thing I believe that started this fall. This death of the fourth was Cop shows. Like Beratta and Starsky and Hutch. Where rogue cops would catch the criminals. Because they broke the laws that according to them were only protecting the guilty.
    Remember Why Dirty Harry was called Dirty Harry? It was because he broke the laws to get justice done.
    Even my favorite tv shows still do this. Castle aired a few shows where the characters illegally entered homes to search for the criminals.
    In very few of these shows did the cops make a mistake. Through these shows our kids and new generations are being taught the good guys always respect the privacy of good law abiding citizens and only bust you when you’ve done wrongs. and only if they could get the evidence to show it. Even then in some cases the shows cops will not let you be convicted.
    All because they were allowed to break the law. To get their jobs done. These shows taught some that that the privacy laws only protected the guilty. This all started long before the Patriot Act was born in Florida.
    Florida was one the first states to allow so called criminals to be busted on illegal searches. They were also among the first to allow people to be convicted of murders, without the smoking gun or the bloody knife covered in their finger prints.
    They allowed the cops to bust innocent people because there was an 80 percent chance, They committed the crimes, The dirty cops were accusing them of.
    I would further dare to disagree with you and say that it was not the Patriot Act that started the death null of the 4th amendment. It was States like Florida and the people in them, who allowed our rights to be thrown away. All in the name of justice.
    It started when preachers in churches started to say. “If your not guilty of any crimes then you have nothing to fear.” It started long ago in states where cops were allowed to bust people on sexual crimes. Because the peeping tom cops saw the supposed heinous sexual acts through a window. Simply because 2 consenting adults were having the kind of sex that the states and their churches did not a prove of.
    This started decades ago. But The Patriot Act was one of the final nails in the coffin made and built with the hands of people who stood by. Because they believed there was nothing we could do. Obama’s election did prove that many people are tired of standing by as our rights and independence are dying.
    It did help to prove a growing number of our rights are dying. But it is not because a majority of Americans don’t care. It is because the rich people who decide the high prices. That only those who can afford TVs, Computers and the internet should have them.
    It is because they know people who make a lot of money are the easiest to control through the fear of losing that big paycheck.
    It is because we allow these 40 million people to run America only because their the ones who can afford these new toys.
    But now because prices are dropping through the desperation to sell. now many of these Americans who once could not afford these things are now finding out the truth. Because of people like you Mr Livingston and others who are sounding the cry.
    A majority of those people I dare say are pissed and are sick of seeing America die. This is further proven by the fact that people like Al Green and Al Franken are becoming senators.
    It is further proven by the progressive movement of people like them and me who are slowly but surely fighting for our freedoms to be reborn.
    But the biggest reason why the 4th died was in fact because of we allow professional liars and bullies to write our laws. We allowed people whose main purpose in life is to do anything to keep their billfolds stuffed with cash to run this country. It is a wonder that it did not die long before this.
    This death of our freedoms and our country was started long ago when we fell for the lie that we need politicians to run our country for us.
    It is our fault and the fault of many generations that this happened. Because we allowed scoundrels to run our country.
    If we want America to go back to the way it was then we need to kick these overpaid liars out of office and then start over. And by only letting the people as a true majority decide the fate of our nation. But this will be hard to do because according to the Patriot act that would make us terrorist.

    • Otis

      It seems that we accept liars and politicians as a normal.

  • Marcus Aurellius

    There is a movie called The End of America. It covers 10 tools the German Socialists used to seize and solidify their power.

    It has some merit.

    http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/the_end_of_america/

    • Norm
      • dan az

        Norm
        time and time again you tell us that youtube is all of a bunch of lies!
        well I guess your right I only had to watch 4 seconds of it to figure that out.So normie your right for once!

  • Woodsman

    Every one who doesn’t agree with the “Patriot Act” will next be on the “do not fly list”.

    If you keep complaining you will be declared an “enemy combatant”.

    All your posts are monitored!

    • Angel

      It is too late for me, I am already there and I could care less. I will exercise my rights whether they like it or not. God gave them to me and I am a free thinker.

      How do I know I am already there? I do everything online and I got a letter from the GOP. In M<Y name sent to my address, in it stating"Due to your high level of political involvement", w would value your input. Like I was going to answer all their questions so they could profile me further as a terrorist because I exercise my rights!

    • dan az

      woodsman
      I too am already being monitored thats the point they too need to learn that this is a free country and they need to listen to all our thoughts.
      If they want to live then its time to start useing there brain and quit following orders like a bunch of sheep that they are! I can only hope that they try to come after me I beg them to!

  • THIRD PARTY

    CFR,TRILATERAL COMMISSION,IMF,BUILDERBERG,AND THE U.N.ENEMY OF THE STATES.FEDERAL RESERVE,NOT FEDERAL AND SUBJECT TO AUDIT,ALL OF AMERICA’S FINANCIAL FALLS ARE FOUNDED WITH THIS CRIMINAL FINANCIAL TREASONOUS INSTITUTION.1913,WAS THE BIGGEST SCAM EVER.

  • RV in AZ

    Wouldn’t it be easier and much cheaper if everybody was honest and didn’t have anything to hide. If you don’t do or say anything wrong, you dont have to worry. Where are the honest people???? Come on govt. set an example for us.

    • real patriot

      GOVERNMENT setting an example,that’s classic,government has proven time and time again,they couldn’t run a dairy queen.Every state is sovereign,and is to set guidelines,and rules for the GOVERNMENT to adhere to.

  • real patriot

    ANYONE,who had ever studied,or practices in constitutional law,see’s the non-constitutionality of the patriot act,national health care,social security,federal income tax,ect…1 % of federal tax was agreed on,then two,then unlimited.Remember without the states,the federal government has no ruling powers,they are granted powers by the people,and enacted through the states.The sole purpose of the federal government is to protect the states from foreign,and domestic act’s of treason on to it’s AMERICAN citizens.

    • Conservatives United

      You forgot the Unconstitutional FEDERAL RESERVE, of which if you abolish it, you eliminate its action arm mentioned, the IRS. Eliminating it starts to get rid of the hold that the Bilderbergs, Rothchilds, Rocherfellers, and many more of the long contoling arm these monied power controling families and their octopus arms.

      • dan az

        Conservatives United
        If you cook them just right they taste like chicken!

      • Claire

        Don’t leave out the Kochs.

        • dan az

          Claire
          shame on you!lol

  • atlas reborn

    I have not trusted our government since 1959. I saw the coming of a dictatorship way back. when police were able to pull people over and ask questions without reason and it was not questioned I knew something was rotten in denmark. later in the mid 60s I read a few books and summerized that something strange could be going on. I read Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged and realized why the book was written. Ayn Rand fled soviet Russia, and came to America and through a book gave a glimse of what could happen. If a person reads the book with an open mind they will glimse the truths of what is going on today and should be horrified. we are losing our country and losing it fast. time is of the essense if we are to remain free and great. our future depends on this next election. If you doubt it then when it happens you will have no one to blame but yourself. Enjoy.

  • JiimCO

    LOL … many interesting comments, of course they are years later and after the fact, where was all this outrage when Bush was pushing this? Oh, that’s right, Bush still enjoyed approval in the 80′s … so it was only some lonely voices like the few Dems, the ACLU and the Libertarians warning us about what we were giving up. One only has to recall the fate of the Dixie Chicks to see what happens to those that dared to question the president that kept us safe! But as a few pointed out, fear mongering works … it is only later that many of you see it for what it really is.

    Makes you wonder how many years it will be before you see the light on the assault of the 14th amendment today by the republicans in the name of … fear mongering as in: if we are for repealing it, will you vote us back into office?

  • Velvet17

    Those of you who really want to know the truth about 911 go to watch Loose change and then every thing will be clear to you about what really happened.This is Bull the crap they tried to feed every one.

  • Bob

    Velvet, most people are hopeless. Even during the American Revolution only a small percentage fought for independence. There were more people loyal to England than the Revolutionaries. Same today.

  • http://Yahoo Eagle

    It is true, that we have lost the protection of the Fourth
    Amendment, but it is also true that we have let Political Correctness affect our perception of the subversive, and opposing forces within this country to allow them to co-exist with our citizenry.

    These forces, who oppose our laws, and only use our constitution against us, easily do so without the capabilities of this technology. I for one will accept this inconvenience until we realise that the citizenry itself must be part of the self protective process, and convince our lawmakers to legislate laws to allow this. Law enforcement alone, cannot effectively police our population.

    Terrorists love the fact that we oppose these invasive activities, as they dislike them even more than we do. But you can be assured, that without them, the terrorists already in this country, intend to wreak holy havoc on us the minute that our guard is down.

  • Meyac

    The Rubicon has already been crossed. Shed the Left, Right Paradigm true Americans. Its time to choose your side and stay with it. It will not be a preaty sight for sure. Remember what the person on the other side of the wall said. If we had only waited in the lobbies of our apartment buildings waiting for them to come threw the door with what ever we could get our hands on……instead we only stayed in our rooms shaking with fear wondering if that next knock on the door would be our own.
    The hour is getting late my friends.

  • alpha-lemming

    “The Patriot Act”, as I understood it, was orginally stipulated to cover “international” (or one of the callers BE foreign) calls. As Cheney once said, “There’s no way we’ll ever hear about the successes” the wire-taps may have had in preventing terrorist attacks. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s about that any more, and the FBI (domestic law enforcement) can cite TPA as easily as the CIA (foreign surveilance/intelligence). Coupled with more layers of cumbersome, inefficient bureaucracy…. thank you “Department of Home-boy Secruity”…. It’s easy to see, Big Brother is ALL about Big Brother.

    Elal has a nearly flawless record of airline security and it’s ALL thanks to profiling (what used to be called good police work). Too bad we can’t utilize these methods because PPC (Poisonous Political Correctness) mandates we strip search and equal number of 80 year old women so the “terrorist demographic” doesn’t feel bad.

    • JiimCO

      (((Elal has a nearly flawless record of airline security and it’s ALL thanks to profiling (what used to be called good police work). Too bad we can’t utilize these methods because PPC (Poisonous Political Correctness) mandates we strip search and equal number of 80 year old women so the “terrorist demographic” doesn’t feel bad.)))

      It is not that simple El Al can’t just use racial profiling, both Jews and Arabs are Semitic people, they share the same traits and pretty much look and dress alike … terrorists do not look and dress like Arafat. What they do look for are people traveling alone, paid for their tickets with cash, have little or no luggage … red flags that should have made the Christmas day bomber stand out for an extra security check.

      • Tony

        Well Jiim, I can certainly agree with you there! Profiling works- and I don’t give a crap if it is politically correct or not….IT WORKS.

      • alpha-lemming

        Sorry dude!!
        I didn’t say anything about “racial” profiling…….. I said “profiling”. That includes all of the observation/knowledge of the enemy/warning signs you cited (age, luggage, cash, gender, country of origin etc.) that should warrent extra scrutiny on any given passenger. Incidentally, it also includes the adjective you inserted (not I). All I’m saying is… much as you would like to disagree… there IS a “terrorist demographic” (the ones I want pulled out of line) and it sure as h*ll doesn’t include octagenarians from Hoboken!!

        • Tony

          If you would read both Jiim’s and my own posts, RACIAL profiling was not part of that- profiling is profiling. Sorry, but if the criminal being sought is a 6’3″ wh/m, you are not going to be checking Native Americans, grannies, women, children, blacks, or people under 6′. CRITERIA drives profiling, not race. RACIAL PROFILING is a political term used to fight an imagined discrimination- what the police were doing is simple PROFILING. If the crime is reported to have been committed by a black, then of course they are going to look to blacks. If the crime was reported to have been committed by a woman, then of course they will BOLO for a female. When the crime was being disproportionately committed by one group, the police were constantly running BOLOs for members of that group- it only makes sense! You are attempting to play the race card and trying to be politically correct. Political correctness is harming us WAY more than it is helping.

          • alpha-lemming

            I’m playing the race card and being PC?!?!?!??

            That’s just bein’ mean!!

            I think we’re all on the same side here. Not sure how I could be any clearer but, OBVIOUSLY, something got mis-construed. Keep up the good fight!!

          • Tony

            My bad! My eyes must be getting tired! Thanks for your patience….sorry it took me a few minutes to post my mistake.

  • MArie Mandel

    True. Vote for republicans and this country will be lost for sure. Remember the last 8 years under Bush?
    Your freedom?… Now they sound even crazier. Their motto is ” Each person for her/himself, and to hell with everybody else”. What makes other industrialized country great and surpassing the USA these days is rejected by republicans. Can you actually hear all the non-sense uttered out there from so-called conservative politicians, television and radio talk show host? I am not a democrat nor a republican, I like too much to think for myself.

    • Conservatives United

      For being an independent you sure sound like you are on left.

      • Marie Mandel

        I just know when I hear non-sense. Right, Left, let’s use common sense and sift thru the garbage.

      • JeffH

        Conservatives United, liberals DO like to think of themselves as independents though it’s pretty obvious they’re liberals by any name.

  • Ole

    If you don’t like the scans at the airport there is a simple answer.
    DON’T FLY!!!!!!!

  • Conservatives United

    None of these problems that we are facing in this nation will even have a chance to be solved, unless WE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, unite to face our real ENEMY, THE ELETIST SCUM that we the people have have elected. If all we do is keep flip flopping between Left and Right, Repub and Dem, NOTHING WILL CHANGE, LET ME REPEAT, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. We have allowed the ELETIST, (and believe me, both parties are working aginast us)to have a complete rein, while we allowed them to distract us while they built a enornous wall between them and us, so as to gain compete contol of our lives. I see both sides (Right and Left) vent on this and many sites, back and forth. We need to join forces to fight the real enemy of the people. OUR OWN GOVERMENT. Our election cannot just flip from one party to the other in control, because both parties goal is to control the people. They outwardly act like they are differnet, but behind close doors they are no different. Until WE the People wake up and elect people to office that represent the people, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. We then need to hold them accountable for their actions, and remove them as quickly as we can if they violate the constitution.

  • http://gmail Jam Mcd

    “We have nothing to fear but fear itself”F.D.R

  • http://blancobrite@hotmail.com willie

    Secure our borders, enforce our immigration laws, deport illegal aliens, stop the ‘politically correctness’ that prevents our enforcement entities to do their jobs and we will not need the USA Patriot Act and intrusive scanners.

    • Wayne

      Well spoken, Willie.

    • http://aliceann@aliceannoliver.com Alice-Ann

      This sounds more like “1984″ or The Soviet Union. Why not send this truck to the Boarder of Mexico and the U.S., and also Afganistan. Save our fighting forces there. They need this more than we in the U.S. do. I am totally amazed that we are losing our Bill of Rights one at a time. Impeach this so called IMPOSTOR!! He hates the USA or at least acts like it on advice of his tax dodging, Socialistic Cabinet.

      • Marie Mandel

        Alice-Ann, define the word “socialist” will you?

        • dan az

          marie
          Robin Hood steal from the rich and give to the poor in your case the lazy!

          • Marie Mandel

            I guess you don’t know the definition. Need to educate yourself

          • Marie Mandel

            you assume a lot dan az

        • http://blancobrite@hotmail.com willie

          Marie, get a dictionary. We are not here to educate you.

          • Marie Mandel

            willie, apparently you don’t understand my statement

    • Awakened

      Absolutely correct, Willie!!

  • Wayne

    I think that the Flower Children of the 60′s are the ones in charge of our government today. You know, the ones who is burnt out on drugs, and every thing goes. How can we expect any more from these kind of people? They did not have any morals back then, and they don’t have any today. The Republican and Democrat parties are going to have to be more selective today in picking our candidates than before that crowd came on the scene. Politicians running for government should have their background checked throughly to see if they if they believe in the 10 commandants. If they did believe in the 10 commandants then we would all be better off. Just think, they wouldn’t lie to us to get elected, and we could trust them. Sounds like Utopia, doesn’t it?

    • Marie Mandel

      Wayne, what about the priests who molested children among other bad behavior, didn’t they believe or supposed to believe in the ten commandments? Let’s not bring religion into this..

      • Wayne

        Hey, Marie, haven’t you ever heard of Wolves in Sheep’s clothing? That is even mentioned in the Bible. Yes! there are always going to be a few bad apples in the barrel, but it is up to us to get rid of those few. After we vote we can’t stop watching what our politicians are doing in Congress. We have to follow them as much as we can to see if they are voting for things that will help this country. For instance, the tax code has over 60,000 pages. Do we really need something that hugh and complicated. Even Charlie Rangel, tax cheat, who is in charge of this says he doesn’t understand it. Why in the world should we have something so complex that even the person in charge does not understand. Maybe that is why he have all those highfalutin lawyers. I know in my heart that what Obama is doing to this country is not a good thing. The individual has to be more in control of himself than have the government do it for him. Most individuals are not retards, and can handle their own affairs.

        • Marie Mandel

          Can you clarify what it is that Obama is doing to this country that is so bad? He has done some pretty good things so far, but again you are being misled like so many by “bad media reporting” and lunatic politicians.
          Religion aside, (I am a christian) what don’t you go to the government website and find out what Obama has accomplished so far, you will change your mind, and remember a lot of the good stuff he wants to do for Americans, is alway voted down by republicans.

          • JeffH

            Obama’s radicalism: Destroying the Constitution
            The Founders wrote the Constitution to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.” Barack Obama envisions a very different Constitution.

            In a recently unearthed 2001 interview with Chicago Public Radio, Obama discussed the Supreme Court’s decisions during the Civil Rights era and lamented that the court only granted black Americans the same rights as white Americans. It was a tragedy, he said, that it did not grant the government the power to reorder society more fundamentally.

            When Barack Obama envisions a government finally set free from the “essential constraints” the Founders wrote into the Constitution, he envisions a government wholly unconstrained, empowered to enslave one segment of the population, forcing it to work on behalf of another segment — to “spread the wealth around.”

            The U.S. Constitution exists for one reason. To protect us from men like Barack Obama, who is perilously close to being handed the power to begin undoing that protection.
            http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Obama%27s+radicalism%3a+Destroying+the+Constitution&articleId=f7f09f58-a30f-467d-b6f1-352c045c7ff6

          • JeffH

            George W. Bush used a lot of signing statements and the left did not like it one bit. A task force of the American Bar Association said that the use of them to change the meaning of duly enacted law undermines the principle of separation of powers.

            Candidate Obama said that Bush was wrong to use them and that he, being a Constitutional professor, would not do so. He said it was no way to govern:

            “What George Bush has been trying to do as part of his effort to accumulate more power in the presidency is he’s been saying ‘well I can basically change what Congress passed by attaching a letter saying I don’t agree with this part or I don’t agree with that part,” Obama said last year during a campaign stop. “I’m gonna’ choose to interpret it this way or that way.’ That’s not part of his power. But this is part of the whole theory of George Bush that he can make laws as he’s going along. I disagree with that. I taught the constitution for 10 years. I believe in the constitution, and I will obey the Constitution of the United States.
            “We’re not going to use signing statements as a way of doing an end-run around Congress.”
            You can see the video where candidate Obama says this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seAR1S1Mjkc&feature=player_embedded

            Obama broke his promise by using a signing statement on a bill he signed.
            House members approved an amendment by a 429-2 vote to have the Obama administration pressure the World Bank to strengthen labor and environmental standards and require a Treasury Department report on World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) activities. The amendment to a 2010 funding bill for the State Department and foreign operations was proposed by Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas), but it received broad bipartisan support.
            The conditions on World Bank and IMF funding were part of the $106 billion war supplemental bill that was passed last month. Obama, in a statement made as he signed the bill, said that he would ignore the conditions.

            They would “interfere with my constitutional authority to conduct foreign relations by directing the Executive to take certain positions in negotiations or discussions with international organizations and foreign governments, or by requiring consultation with the Congress prior to such negotiations or discussions,” Obama said in the signing statement.

            Barack Obama talked a slick game when he was a candidate. He has broken promise after promise (though some claim he has never lied and has broken no campaign promises) and now he breaks this one. This is a big one because Bush’s use of signing statements irritated Congress to no end. To the credit of the members of Congress, their vote to rebuke Obama was nearly unanimous. It looks like both parties stuck together on this one. Given that Democrats cover for Obama at every turn, this is quite a big deal.

            Well liberals, where is your indignation? Where are the calls for impeachment? Where are the comparisons to royalty and the cries of “foul”? Where is the outrage you had at Bush for this? You should be even more outraged because Obama said he would not do it and then he did.

            More and more Obama is doing the same things that George Bush did.

            They told me if I voted for McCain I would get Bush’s third term. Looks like they were right.

            Obama Breaks Another Promise
            by Big Dog on Jul 11, 2009

          • Wayne

            If your a Communist, or a socialist you may think the way your thinking now. Taking over the car companies, banks, and a lot of other things that should be obvious to any sensible person. With Obama’s own admission to “Joe The Plumber”, he said he wanted to share the wealth around. If you work for your money, and folks who are too lazy, or burnt out from drugs to work, do you still want to pay more taxes to give those folks some of your money? I bet I already know the answer.

          • dan az

            m&m
            I was going to say something but joe covered it nicely but of course you probably didnt read it.truth hurts don’t it!

    • slickporsche

      You are a complete moron. It will be that generation who will take arms while the rest of you little— are hiding under a rock. I am suddenly ashamed to say I’am an American. WE have this anti-american in the white house because you idiot liberals that have no brains and no courage, voted for him. You are the one on drugs.

      • Marie Mandel

        As I said earlier, you could move to another country, but if that country uses profiling, they would not let you in FOR SURE.

        • http://blancobrite@hotmail.com willie

          Yes, Marie, unlike Obama and his group, some countries enforce their immigration laws and secure their borders.

          • Marie Mandel

            Tell me, did Bush do that?

  • slickporsche

    If you vote Democratic, you will lose everything!! Use your brain people and try to comprehend what is happening NOW! You are about to lose Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly,and the right to bear arms!

    I would really like to know what you are all going to do, when the U.N. comes to America to spank us and make us politically correct. I will start shooting and become an urban gorilla. I will get many before they get me. I for one, will not let them take America sitting down. I should not even be typing this in this forum. I am at risk for doing so.

    • Marie Mandel

      Didn’t we lose all that under Busch already? What did you do then?

      • slickporsche

        As far as liberals go, you must be as dumb as they get. BUSH BUSH BUSH
        I get sick of that [offensive word removed]. IF you had already lost those freedoms, you would not be able to come to this forum and make an ass of yourself. Remember! BUSH is history and it is this [offensive word removed] in the White House that is causing us all the trouble and forcing things down our throats by the week and not the month. Do you not feel really mentally weak by using BUSH as an excuse for your lack of a personal constitution

        • Marie Mandel

          You are an angry person and totally misled by crazy propaganda. Bad combination!

          • FuLL10

            Impressive, Marie …NOT!

          • blv54

            you sound like a mexican to me, probaly illegal to, I’m sick of hearing about bush, I’m even sicker that obama’s name keeps coming up as something good by you, your probaly getting a welfare check from obummer thats why you like him so much

      • http://blancobrite@hotmail.com willie

        Did you point he finger at you siblings, friends, etc. as a child (always blaming others) instead of looking at the FACT that YOU might be the problem?

    • Conservatives United

      A good friend of mine that is US Army retired, stated also, that he will defend himself and his family, with is guns, and that they will eventually get me, but I will get alot of them first. THis is the one thing that our ELETIST GOVENMENT (Both Parties) is afraid of is the estimated 180 to over 300 milion guns in the hands of American Citizens, many who are EX-Military who know how to use them.

      • slickporsche

        Yes my friend, and what will you be doing? Are you a real Patriot like those that gave birth to our republic, or a slithering coward? It will take every able bodied person and some that are not quite able bodied to save this great republic. Are you ready to give it all??

  • Fred Marsh

    Why do you think we have these protections in the first place. Has anyone here ever heard of bombings on planes. I can guarantee you that the bombings are not being committed by Christians, Republicans, Democrats or any other Patriotic Americans.

    We have these security measures in place in order to protect you idiots who stick your head in the sand and overlook that we are at war with a religious country.

    Our own government will not call it what it is. They use terms like terrorists. When a half dozen countries support and finance fighting on a dozen different fronts throughout this globe, In Russia, Bosnia, Indonesia, Sudan, Somolia, Italy, Phillippines, France, England, and yes in this country. These are not rogue terrorists, they are an army that at this moment are in this country planning their next attach.

    Sometimes personal freedoms must be overlooked in order to maintain our freedoms in this country. Political Correctness has gone too far is setting this great nation on a path of distruction.

    • slickporsche

      Instead of taking freedom from us Americans, they should be deporting ALL Muslms and tearing down all Mosques. Then not allow any to immigrate here or to even visit. Yes some of them are legal citizens, but I will never recognize them as Americans, only quiet invaders.

      • Marie Mandel

        You really are a “radical” you sound dangerous!!

        • slickporsche

          Who is radical? The one intent on destroying America bit by bit or those who will defend America at all cost. Of course that all depends on which side YOU are on. When UN soldiers come crashing through your front door, then you can think about radical. Maybe you will be one of the unlucky ones to go to a FEMA camp surrounded by razer wire. I do understand that most of you will do nothing but complain after all is said and done. After it is all gone.If something drastic does not happen it will be all gone by the time this Asswhipe you call a president is through with his term. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? You will not be able to save our Republic with votes or peaceful protests. Wait and you will see just what I mean.

          • Marie Mandel

            If nothing else, be polite and don’t insult your President.

          • Marie Mandel

            Did you escape from somewhere?

          • dan az

            marie
            he is not my president he is a usurper and a illegal that cant even use his real name!There was a time that I thought that I would help get out the ones on the other side of the fence.But you have shown me that it would be futile you would only yell for help.Time is short and you will be brought to the camps.I say good luck to ya!

  • linda

    funny that the gov can cut programs like meals on wheels, etc. but still have plenty of $$$$$ to buy these zbv vehicles, and other high tech devices to spy on us. yes theres always plenty of money for whatever they want.

    • Another Voice

      Exactly!

    • slickporsche

      You said it all Linda! What THEY want money for.

    • Marie Mandel

      I agree and don’t forget all the money spend on wars.

  • Norm

    When I’m 35,000 ft. above terra firma looking out the window at the clouds, I’m most appreciative of all that has been done to prevent truly evil scum from destroying my ride.
    I don’t relish the delays and the invasion of privacy, but it’s better than the possible alternative.
    In fact a lot more could and should be done, like better examination and control of stored baggage.

    • slickporsche

      All Muslims should be on a no fly list everywhere. Profile them and keep them on the ground, and in their own country. The US government is to blame for so many of them being here.

      • Kevin

        Why don’t you go back to your country then?

  • slickporsche

    WHile I am on the subject, you will never be truly safe in America with so many of Islams followers living here. How many have already joined the fight? The fight to kill Americans, not to help us kill and destroy Muslim fighters. They will never be true Americans.NEVER!

    • Marie Mandel

      I guess you need to move.

      • slickporsche

        Why so you liberal idiots can continue to destroy everything that people of this country have worked and died for?

        • dan az

          slick
          first they would have had to worked the four letter word and as far as fight for there country that would mean elbowing the one in line for the free hand outs.

        • Marie Mandel

          slick, Guess that doesn’t include you

    • Marie Mandel

      slick, why didn’t you write “we” instead of “you”. Aren’t you in the same boat? Who are you exactly?

  • jeff ragan

    ant society that will give up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither, and shall lose both.

  • Marilyn

    I’m too old to really care who sees what as long as I know my plane is leaving without terrorists. But…

    This is part of the 4th Amendment:
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Copied and Pasted from a Google Search:
    Terrorism has been a problem for airlines and air travelers since the 1970s, when hijackings and bombings became the method of choice for subversive, militant organizations around the world. Although security at airports has always been tight, the 9/11 attacks woke many people up to a harsh reality — it wasn’t tight enough.

    So, we let fear become the norm and all passengers became possible terrorists.

    Let nude security check all people and bags outside the airport. Hang bacon above walk-through. Have nude passenger assistants aboard the planes. I don’t care what airlines do as long as the terrorists do not board airplanes.

    • Claire

      Marilyn—-Now if the guy doing the frisking and pat-down is goodlooking, well then it may be a different story. I am just teasing, being silly. lol

    • dan az

      marilyn
      I game for that as long as the stewardist are in there twenty to thirty range and as for the hanging the bacon graet idea!

  • THINK ABOUT

    I would still like to see the plan of action the NO government folks are going to put into action they are in charge. Does any of them have a magic wand to wave over the world and everyone will be perfect and not need rules. Even God realized rules was needed, ergo the Ten Commandments. Have a plan to provide energy the USA alone needs without having rules. Going to just say no more killing and all the murders stop. What about the borders, just going to say “STOP” and our borders are closed. The banks was deregulated and see what happened, rules had been in place since the early 40′s after this nation was recovering from the “Great Depression”. Check out our military, think they exist without rules and regulations. Don’t believe so. This could go on and on, everyone wants to blame Obama, we had rules before he was ever born, so can’t be his problem.

    • slickporsche

      A good plan that will put the country back on its feet again. You can always count on the Democrats to mess everything up. Then the Repulicans have to do all the repair work and get things running again. This administration is as bad as it gets.

      • THINK ABOUT

        You have to have a plan in order to “change” to run this country. Saying the Democrats and Republicians have messed up everything is not a plan, I am still waiting to see what the plan is, if you have a plan, put it out so we the voters has a choice. Give us a direction and we can look it over.

        • dan az

          think about this
          Ron Paul to head up the office Palin to cover his back drag out the congress on to the front steps and bitch slap them untill they figure out what they need to do!

    • Marie Mandel

      Finally a good common sense comment!

  • Sam

    The only reason that we have such intrusive “laws” is because “we the people” voted these types into office, and said nothing when they introduced, and passed these “laws.” We surrendered our liberty our liberty by saying and, most importantly, doing nothing. The game is rigged; talking, writing, and voting will do nothing. We must be like the patriots of old, and take up arms in order to clear away the corruption. I don’t relish doing sentry in the rain at o’dark early, especially at middle age, but I’ll gladly do so to regain what we’ve lost.

    • slickporsche

      Hey Sam you are sounding kinda radical aren’t you? HAHAHA Someone will now ask you to move. LMAO The current crop of Americans are like sheep.

    • Marie Mandel

      Yes the people voted and people did nothing when things went wrong. But, taking arms is not the answer
      my friend. Aren’t we suppose to be more civilized that that? This is 2010. I believe in action, but not violence. Besides, the only thing you may gain is getting killed. Again common sense is in order.

      • http://blancobrite@hotmail.com willie

        What action are you willing or going to take. I see no suggestions on your part.

        • dan az

          willie
          I think she needs to move on!

  • http://www.BillGrishamCPA.com Bill G

    The reality is that if you continue to vote either Democratic or Republican, liberty and the Constitution are doomed. The entire 20th century has seen the U.S. putting its nose in the business of all the countries of the world. Most of the world seemed to adopt some form of socialism/fascism soon after WWI and the U.S. was no exception. Review the Communist Manifesto of 1848 and you will notice that we have installed most of the institutions called for in its planks at the Federal if not the State levels. Ideas have consequences and the Prussian education system we emulated in the late 19th century has done an excellent job of dumbing down most of the public well enough that almost no one notices the changes legislated into existence during the 20th century as being fundamentally unAmerican. The Empire Building, making the World Safe for Democracy, Prohibition, Gun Control laws, Occupational Licensing, Immigrant Scapegoating, Cold War, McCarthism Scapegoating, Drug wars, Wars on Poverty, Wars on Illiteracy, and a whole host of liberty strangling legislation have led us to where we are today. The Patriot Act was just a conglomeration of police state legislation thought up during the 1980s and 1990s that became politically acceptable after 9/11. Notice that the Patriot Act has done little to deter terrorism but it has killed our Constitutional protections and we are now in about the same position as the Europeans of the 1930s, “show me your papers.”
    If we don’t vote for Libertarian candidates in the upcoming elections, we are accepting the status quo built by the Demopublicans and Repocrats throughout the 20th century and fascism by default. If you don’t educate yourself about the principles of liberty and act on them then be prepared for the “hob nailed boot in your face” now experienced by targets of the drug war over the past 4 decades.

    • slickporsche

      I agree with some of what you say, but we need to get rid of the worst, democrats,then the Republicans. We need a government that is run by the people and for the people and not its own agenda. I understand that the Republicans are not great, but they are a darn sight better than the Democratic liberal nuts that are running the country now. They are the lessor of two evils. We will not survive the rest of this presidents term.

  • Jim

    When perceived rights were stepped in colonial times the revolt against it was against the occupying troops of the king. Whatever military, mostly volunteers, that existed agreed with the complaints of the populace and so there was unity in the forces thatwent against the british rules.
    To go against the powers that be today you will have to have the cooperation of the existing military. If not, they will knock you down fast.
    So unless, if those that wish to change things – for the better! — have the military behind them, the entire nation will have to rise up at the same time at the same place(s) as one, in an instant before military put down forces can be rallied to even stand a chance.
    against convincing the government that things need to be done properly.
    How you gonna arrange that without the government becoming aware before you even get to first base?

    • slickporsche

      No one is saying it will would be easy, but what do you do? Nothing? I do feel that the larger part of the military, would be on the side of the peoples malitia or what ever you want to call it. Do you remember the Viet Nam war protests? That I think is one of the things that ultimatly got us out of that conflict. It always seems to take violence which we do not like, but seems to be necessary. I hope that November will make a difference, but would not count on it much. I think it is about to get really nasty.

      • Marie Mandel

        slick, where are you from?

    • slickporsche

      I guess from your post, I should think that you would like to leave things as they are, and do nothing? I do not think I would call Jesus a liberal, simply because of what you are saying. At any rate, I have not been lucky like you have, and sat at the table with Jesus and talk about his way of doing things.

      • Marie Mandel

        You seem to have a certain contempt for Jesus my friend.

  • Kevin Miller

    The Patriot Act was created to keep us safe from anymore attacks upon innocent American on American soil after 9/11.He wasn’t bugging Every phone,only phones of suspected terrorists and their supporters.
    As Good as the 4th Ammendment is,in times of crises like a war against terrorists(at home as well as abroad),there are exceptions that need to be given.Pres.Bush wasn’t out to be Big Brother.He was out to keep the rest of us Americans safe in our own country! Something oBUMa will NEVER do!When GW was in office terrorists didn’t dare risk another 9/11 because they knew the former President would bring Justice on their heads.While he was in office,we kept these monsters out of our country in a military prison at Gitmo.We forced information from them with nothing but a little water which saved countless American lives.The CIA was doing its job.Now that oBUMa is in office,we’re as vulnerable as we ever were on 9/11 and maybe moreso.Yes,sir,I’m A Big Supporter of the Constitution,but I’m also a Big Supporter of the Patriot Act,Waterboarding and keeping these terrorist prisoners in Gitmo and giving them Tribunals,not civilian trials in America.

  • oldbill

    “Rights” are ink on paper, just like the water bill.

    The Federal Government did not grant the 4th Amendment or its rights. It is an agreement between The People and the States, who almost immediately after the ink dried, started giving away these rights so that they could take their neighbors hard earned property and use it as their own, and to feel secure in doing so.

  • THINK ABOUT

    I am still waiting to see the plan of action the Libertians have to remove all the regulations we currently have and still have this great nation be orderly. If you have a great plan other than say it is the fault of Democrats and Republicians, then produce it. Liberal ways have been around a long time, Jesus was a good example of someone being liberal, he fed the hungry, loved his neighbor and loved all of every color. Think your way is better than Jesus, again where is the plan.

    • slickporsche

      I guess from your post, I should think that you would like to leave things as they are, and do nothing? I do not think I would call Jesus a liberal, simply because of what you are saying. At any rate, I have not been lucky like you have, and sat at the table with Jesus and talk about his way of doing things.

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      • THINK ABOUT

        Don’t think I ever said anything about leaving things the way they are, just stated I need to see a plan. If you don’t have a plan of action together, then maybe someone should come up with one. To take control must have some idea in order to maintain order. I never said I sat at the table with Jesus but do believe he fed the hungry, loved his neighbors and did not think what color they was either. By the definations I read from this site, this is a liberal. I’ll stick with the actions of Jesus.

        • blv54

          what a shame you paint Jesus Christ as a liberal? that is an insult to my savior, the liberals are nothing like Jesus, they use people to get what they want, they pit race aganist race, they only feed the hungry for there vote, plus liberals love killing babies before they can be born, if you want to love liberals go for it but don’t drag Jesus name into it,and why use the term liberal,fascist better descibes them.

    • Lubo

      Think About said:

      “Jesus was a good example of someone being liberal, he fed the hungry, loved his neighbor and loved all of every color. Think your way is better than Jesus, again where is the plan”

      Your statements are mutually exclusive. Number-1, a liberal/progressive requires others to GIVE at THEIR time and expense, and it is a MANDATE, whereas JESUS, which was GOD in human form, or better put, THE GODMAN, FED thousands with a SIMPLE command, that required no input or effort by anyone else.

      Number-2, JESUS also gives us as INDIVIDUALS, a choice, to give or not to give, to accept or reject, and that is the glaring difference between your “Human Concept” of JESUS CHRIST and the TRUTH of the matter. As in, Barack Obama who states that he believes in “Collective Salvation(A MARXIST MANDATE)” not “Individual Salvation(A CHOICE given by GOD)”.

      I would think, based upon my knowledge of GOD, that “Collective Salvation” is simply a very HUMAN attempt to negate the POWER OF GOD, through his son Christ Jesus, at Calvary. In other words, the whole TRUTH of Christ Jesus would be a LIE based upon this HUMAN ideolgy.

      In closing, until you liberals can feed THOUSANDS, by YOURSELF, as an individual, without mandating to others, then and only then would that INDIVIDUAL action be considered in my mind, as the THINGS and/or POWER of the LIVING GOD”.

      GOD is neither liberal, conservative or libertarian, he is however the ALPHA and the OMEGA, HE is GOD.

    • dan az

      think about this
      I left you a post the last time you asked that question try reading it and give us a reply leming!

  • Mikey

    One of the few I know of who voted against the Patriot Act both times was then congressman, now senator, Tom Udall of New Mexico. He is a liberal. He had his dad’s (Stewart) support both times.

  • SUE B

    I wonder how all of these people will feel now as Obama has turn over to the UN.
    Barack Obama has just given the United Nations jurisdiction to go after the State of Arizona and the 22 other states that are attempting to enforce the immigration laws that he refuses to enforce.
    BONDADGE…we are in bondadge and no longer are free

    • dan az

      Sue B
      If we receded from the union then the UN would have no authority over us and that would definently put the binders on the nwo.

  • Gary T.

    This new legislation is not necessary. There already exists enough laws and security means to prevent most terrorist occurances. Either way, to infringe upon our rights this far is unacceptable. The US government is taking things too far in deleting our Constutional rights.
    How about if authorities just breaks down the door to your private home just when you and your spouse are into something very private? Then they sense some danger and start shooting first then ask questions last. Only later to find out that the authorities were misled by the TIP they received from your neighbor who is upset about you not keeping your yard neat enough. End result, the husband is dead. Will “Sorry” be enough then?
    People, wake up! I want my America back.

  • patricia

    Let’s see, we were “blessed” with an HC program that we did not want,stimulus a financial reform bill that we don’t need, at least not that kind anyway…and he wants still more money…People are behaving like children who need to be “taken care of” by the government..meanwhile, the government manages to EXEMPT..themselves. This is the extent of what you will get from Big Bro O. Nowhere in
    the Bill of Rights does it say you have the right to free food, big screen t.v., shelter,etc. IF you WORK you will get what you need. It has nothing to do with ones’importance. it’s a sign that you need to get a job and work at it,no matter how menial it is it brings food to your table. Remember Rosie the Riveter during WWII? We need to keep that spirit going!! Don’t let it die..I know we are not getting any younger but since when do true Americans forget the American dream and quit? Have FAITH in yourself and your country and don’t let it die!!!!!!!

  • atlas reborn

    remember we still have a 2nd admendment and the right to use it as our founding fathers urged us then and in the future when it becomes bad to the people to rise up and throw out the interlopers.keep the powder dry and pass the ammo. that should be the motto and battle cry today.

  • JOEBABE

    IF YOU THINK THE QUALITY OF HELP IN THE TSA IS POOR AND LACKING CIVILITY, WAIT UNTIL OBAMA’S NATIONAL CIVILIAN SECURITY FORCE STARTS HIRING. REMEMBER ,HE SAID IT SHOULD BE AS WELL-EQUIPPED AND AS WELL-FUNDED AS OUR MILITARY.PICTURE THE 18-25 YEAR OLD UNEMPLOYABLES IN A SPECIAL UNIFORM,BROWN SHIRTS,BLACK SHIRTS( OH NO, THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN USED IN THE PAST) OR MAYBE ,MORE APPROPRIATELY,A GREEN SHIRT SECURITY FORCE.THINK OF ALL THE DIVERSE GROUPS HE CAN PANDER TO. 2-4 MILLION NEW JOBS. WHAT A CONCEPT! WHAT A GUY! PAY CLOSER ATTENTION ,FOLKS . IT’ ONLY AN ELECTION OR TWO AWAY.

    • Tony

      And I suppose you were one that sided with Kerry when he described the military as uneducated people that terrorize Iraqis everynight (or something to that affect)? I will grant you that everyone that signs on the dotted line isn’t of the highest quality- but there are a few things you best remember and respect: it is an ALL VOLUNTEER force, and they volunteered KNOWING that America is at war on 2 fronts; they are the front line protection of YOUR freedom, and have been since 1775. So do not disrespect them so.

    • Tony

      If you were not doing a direct comparison to our military, then accept my apologies.

    • dan az

      Joebabe
      The only ones that fit that requirement are the street gangs and we know how thats going to work out for him.

  • Masxon X Hamilton

    Until we get rid of the both political parties and the corrupt machinery and process which keeps them going – nothing is going to change. The Tea Party’s fatal flaw is that they are largely stupid and naive (even if their intentions are good – sorry its true), because they have no chance of introducing qualified people into leadership positions of the current system – only those that the Republicans select for them. They are literally a “storm in a teapot.” They will never get past the political power gate keepers that run both parties.

    Our “democracy” game is rigged folks and until we take this rigged game down completely – replace it with some performance based process where intelligent and qualified leadership has the authority to solve problems – other than winning elections – we’re terminally screwed. You couldn’t have a better example of how true this is than the last 40 years of our gov. screw-ups.

    A democracy can never be better than it’s average voter. Let’s face it, in today’s complex world the average voter isn’t qualified educationally, or experientially to make complex decisions to pick qualified people to run the country. Our elections are nothing more than congeniality contests with all the thrills that unlimited amounts of money can buy. Do think IBM or Exxon would allow the average voter to pick it’s executives? More importantly, do you think any company that used democracy to pick it leaders could compete with those that used a performance based system?

    We need to change our democratic process – where it still represents the best interest of the majority of the people to a system that eliminates the current process that lets billionaires spend 50M dollars to win a senate seat that pays less than 200K. It’s illogical and the fact that we make this mistake over and over is clinically insane.

    Or, maybe corporations have already figured this out and have bought control of systems and what we think of as our leadership are actually just sitcom for our benefit. Why else would keep seeing actors and celebrities being picked as our leaders with no attention paid to their obvious lack of education, training and ability? I know you are expecting a solution, but I think there isn’t one while the current system is in place. Taking the system down to a point where it can be replaced will be no different than our first revolution – which replaced an entrenched non-attentive and parasitic government. Good luck with that.

  • Rene

    It was said, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. So what is the beef. I am more concerned that America is being destroyed from within and it will as mentioned in a few of the submitted comments. One thing is the argument on that stupid Mosque, that got me thinking. It shouldn’t be build in the first place if it is ment to be a place of worship. On Warren street not far from that place this Imam wants to build is already a Mosque. Has been there for a while. The problem is and old problem, it has always been Islam against Christianity. Guess who is in the lead. Christians can not pray in schools or any public place. We have to be sworn to upheld the truth in Courts around the Land but the Bible is gone from the court room. The 10 commandments are removed from display in Courts and in the Judicial branches. Merry Christmas can not be displayed. It is now Happy Holidays. A Christmas Tree is now called a Holliday Tree. Nativity scenes may not be displayed on public grounds. Easter vacation is now called Spring break. Try to break one of the above and you be sued for everything you owe. This might sound far fetched, but it is something to think about. Quietly, slowly but surely Islam is taking over. More and more mosques are being build in all states around America. Every mosques is a center of Islamic studies (fundamentalism) that wil serve as a central command post. When the time is ripe the peaceful clerics will be replaced by radical Muslim fundamentalist clergy who will impose the Islamic Sharia Laws. Everything points that way. The news is talking about it in a underlying way. We are being warned about a doomsday looming over America, as it is in the article we are commenting about. If you listen to what the Imam that wants to build the Mosque is saying. What would you say as a listener. Is he radical or peaceful? Is he wanting to build a commandpost in the heart of America and for what purpose? Or am I just an 80 year old woman gone bananas.

    • dan az

      Rene
      that pretty much says it all come november we all will have a say one way or another!

  • JOSEPH BENDZINSKI

    Regarding homeland security and their rules and regulations I find a very conflicting subect. I really want to feel safe from any threats on a plane as I am sure anyone else does. On the otherhand I think 4th amendment rights are very important. However, its like when you cross the street when you know you have the right of way. But if you are run over by a car or truck and killed you know you were right, but you are dead and right. The other conflict I have is that passengers stopped the terriost in Penn on the plane during the 911 event. Passengers overtook the underwear bomber when all of the other security meansures failed. So what was the response – increase the controls on the passengers. Seems counter productive.

    • JeffH

      JOSEPH BENDZINSKI, pretty well said. It seems as if the government is more concerned about controlling the American citizen and less concerned about the potential terrorist. A fair and even balance has to be decided upon and it is unfortunate that those who make the laws are so disconnected with mainstream America that they aren’t capable of making those kind of decisions.

      • dan az

        JeffH
        If all of the congress and pelousy and read the bill had to fly coach and get cavity search every time they got on the plane you might think they would have a problem with that!or not!

  • John in CA

    To those who say conservatives did not complain, many of us did, and loudly. Nobody was paying attention then, and most still aren’t. The Legislature is made up of frail, imperfect human beings just like us (scary thought, eh?) who were successfully panicked into wrong actions. This ploy has been used since before the first emperor of Rome, Cicero, frightened the Roman Senate into granting him dictatorial powers. Once done, such things can seldom be corrected.

    The problem now is the same as it was then; most of the people refuse to pay attention. They’ve been distracted, not only by the modern Coliseum shining out of that big screen in their living rooms, but by the day to day trivialities of trying to live their lives. I have been laughed at, cursed at, and walked away from by otherwise intelligent people who simply do not want to know or believe that these things are happening. A few days ago, an employee at a big box we shop at occasionally mentioned in passing that she voted for Obama, and still saw nothing wrong with him. When I asked her why, all she could come up with was that he seemed like a nice guy. She was completely unaware of the controversy surrounding the White House, the scandals and outright crimes, even the glaring issues of Obamacare or the farce he has made of visits to foreign dignitaries. What’s more, she didn’t want to know, and deliberately changed the subject, saying that was all “too stressful.” She represents the majority of the population. This is why no free society in recorded history has lasted more than three hundred years.

    • dan az

      John
      now there’s the differance between you and me I would half bitch slapped her until she gave one good thing that he has done besides piss off allot of americans that are after his head!And made here opoligize to every one by wearing a shirt that said I voted for oboma and on the back say kick me!

  • Robert Hauser

    If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they would not “weep”…..weeping is for the kind of puking, mewling, brain-dead yuppies with all their creature comforts that this country is maggot-infested with today…America has long since ceased to be a nation of Americans. Were the Founding Fathers alive today, Wall Street would be a river of blood and Henry Kissinger and Ben Bernanke wouldn’t be able to find a rat hole big enough to crawl in nor small enough to hide in.
    Maybe after a few of these precious little ZBV snoopmobiles get their windscreens smashed or tires blown out by the angry residents of a neighborhood, they will take them off the streets.

  • Wlmitch1

    Clean out all the America-hating Marxists in the Government in November and beyond! Stop the dismantling of our Liberty through this PHONY, Leftist Hope and Change!!

    To obtain REAL HOPE AND CHANGE, we grass-roots Constitutional Conservatives, Tea Party Activists, and other true American Patriots
    of ALL races must UNITE! WE HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND!! Get registered as Republicans in your State if it is not too late. Educate yourselves on where each candidate stands on the issues. Vote for ONLY grass-roots Constitutional Conservatives and Tea Party candidates in the Republican Primary elections. VOTE OUT the RINOs, Country-clubbers, and Republicrats – THIS MEANS VOTE THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES OUT – in the Primaries and take our Party back! Then vote for these Republicans in November and take our COUNTRY back! Investigations, likely impeachment, and possible arrest, of the current administration, and others, will surely follow!! Do the same in 2012 AND elect a REAL American Patriot for President. Only then can we fully restore this great Nation to a Constitutional Republic with a Government OF the People, BY the People, and FOR the People! YES WE CAN!

    The dates on which the 2010 Primary Elections are being held are listed by State and Territory at http://www.fvap.gov/resources/media/vaghandout3.pdf . You will need the latest version of Adobe Reader installed on your PC to view this .pdf file. Guam will be holding its Primary Elections on Saturday September 4, 2010. The Virgin Islands will be holding their Primary Elections on Saturday September 11, 2010. Delaware, the District of Columbia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin will be holding their Primary Elections on Tuesday September 14, 2010.

    GET OUT AND VOTE!!!

  • Merl

    THE IRS IS THE STRONG ARM OF THE MAFFIA…AND ALL YOUR MONEY GOES TO PUERTO RICO TO THE TAX COLLECTORS. THE STRONG ARM OF THE IRS WAS BATF THAT INDUCED YOU TO PAY TAX….THEN IT JUST WALKED UP TO THE USA AND STARTED TO COLLECT.

    NO FEDERAL LAW NOR ACT OF CONGRESS HAS YET TO MAKE THE IRS A LEGAL PRESENCE……BUT BUSH CALLED FOR MAKING PUERTO RICO ANOTHER STATE OF THE USA. I HAVE NO FURTHER INFORMATION ON IT.

  • Kevin

    This is a result of an education system which is run by government for government starting at the local levels! We have been spoon fed war and government unions rights to tax us into moral and fiscal bankruptcy for the last 50 years! Using X-Ray machines is one thing; but when local governments are invading Landlords rights to privacy by requiring explanations for evicting a tenant, and making it a standard policy to require business invoices to prove how a security deposit was used then; we truly see how apathetic and ignorant our Judges and Lawyers have become towards our rights to privacy and private property by being forced into litigation by nothing but suspicions without evidence.

  • Ken

    Christmas trees in the Bible? Geeeez, new one on me. Hey, did you brilliant people know that Jesus is one of the Islamic prophets? Come on, rant on that one, fools. All you Islamic scholars and Christian theologians. Can’t wait till you get the leader you deserve, the brilliant gun-totin’ (oh, yeah, and CHRISTIAN, Sarah Palin, who couldn’t even manage to stick with the governorship of dinky (population-wise) Alaska. Now SHE’s the one we need in charge of our foreign policy, yessir. And domestic policy, as well. Real “hopey changie thing” she’ll be, I betcha. Come on, you all, go get a degree from Glen Beck University, and consign to the flames all these jerks from Harvard, Yale, etc. who have the audacity (good word, that) to think they can rule over us plebians. I swear,most of you are certifiably insane, and I fear for my country knowing you are now the “mainstream” media. Fearful, ignorant bastards.

  • Ken

    Hey, WImitch, sounds to me like you’re advocating ONE PARTY RULE, no? Gee, I wonder which “democracies” in the world have that kind of government. People’s democracies, perhaps? Yep, that’s what we need all right.

  • atlas reborn

    I like your post patricia

  • ChuckL

    Deniso,

    Many of us Conservatives did complain about the Patriot Act and other Bush violations, but the Dumbocrats simply denied our complaints and gave us no support to stop them. It is a two way street. ALL incumbents have to go.

  • jopa

    Robert Hauser;Where in America are you?The America I see is one of greatness, beauty, and vast richees.We have a very unique population comprised of all nationalities and religious freedom.When we have something to gripe about we can and do through our freedom of print and expression.You have to admit this is and will always be the greatest place on earth as long as the Democrats are in control.

    • dan az

      Jopa
      you had me until the last four words!feel the force luke!

  • TAKE BACK AMERICA

    I would like to scream WAKE UP AMERICA, but I KNOW that America IS awake. Although we try in earnest we fail miserably. See below a list of active current political parties.
    America First Party (2002)
    American Party (1968)
    American Patriot Party (2003)
    America’s Independent Party (2008)
    Boston Tea Party (2006)
    Communist Party of the United States of America (1919)
    Florida Whig Party (2006)
    Independence Party of America (2007)
    Moderate Party (2006)
    Modern Whig Party (2008)
    National Socialist Movement (1959)
    New American Independent Party (2004)
    Objectivist Party (2008)
    Party for Socialism and Liberation (2004)
    Peace and Freedom Party (1967)
    Pirate Party of the United States (2006)
    Progressive Labor Party (1961)
    Prohibition Party (1869)
    Reform Party of the United States of America (1995)
    Socialist Equality Party (2008)
    Socialist Party USA (1973)
    Socialist Workers Party (1938)
    United States Marijuana Party (2002)
    Unity Party of America (2004)
    Workers Party (2003)
    Working Families Party (1998)
    None of the above have accomplished ANYTHING but gatherings and rallies. If you want to accomplish ANYTHING politically in America you need to remove the Lobbyist power. These PEOPLE are the true terrorists of America. It would seem to me that all of these Lobbyist could be found and disarmed by simply loosing their drivers licenses and placed on No-Fly lists. You really want to change America? Pick one Lobbyist and like a terrorist disarm him. There has to be someone out there that can put together a website that lists Washington Lobbyist. We can fight this war and win it without a single shot being fired. I see no other way to TAKE BACK AMERICA.

  • cerebus23

    both sides of the isle have trampled all over the 4th amendment for years.

    dies not matter if its a d or an r or an i for that matter.

    when we had imminent domain laws put into general practice that is a clear violation of property rights.

    when feds and local law enforcement decided to use that statute to seize property even private businesses where some eomplyess may have been using drugs on the premisis and used to seize the entire business.

    when we allowed cops to perform random stops and checkpoints looking for dui and drugs and illegals.

    when we allowed the law to tell us we must buckle our seat belts and wear our motorcycle helmets, is it not our bodies and our lives to decide?

    when we gutted search and seizure and entrapment laws in the name of public order, and allowed a cop to search your car on any stop if they feel so inclined.

    if we allow these vans to just go searching our homes and the homes of our neighbors just looking for something or anything and can get a warrant after they have found something they do not like.

    when we allow the law to overstep its bounds and poke its noses into our private vehicles, houses, and interfear with our free choice and free will in a “free” society, no matter what calls for public safety are used.

    we are all to blame for every time our rights are infringed the law and the politicians use the excuse of public safety, public law, drugs, terrorism, or whatever boogy man they can conger to make the people swallow it.

    how far will they have to go until people wake the hell up in this nation and ask if we are a free country where is our freedom? until they ask why are things legal now that the founders of this country rise up and started a war over? why is is when we question these things are we extremists? why is it we are cooks and crackpots and paranoid fringe radicals?

    and why we need to have programs like echelon pointed at our own citizens? why do we need scanners that can be driven down public streets? why do we need probable cause a whim and not a real cause?

    when will we all take the blinders off and wake up to the fact that this nation has fallen so far down the rabbit hole it is a pipe dream to think it can be fixed by any means within the system that corrupts all it touches no matter who is at the helm or what party they claim to represent.

    • Lubo

      cerebus23….no argument from me. It basically comes down to a document(US Constitution) that was written by, and for, a morale peoples. Since that is no longer the case in America, both public and private, then, what else is there to say?

      In other words, when we took the GOD out of America, then this is what you get. Panic, fear, greed, jelousy, hatred, DIVORSE, ADULTRY, MURDER, etc. etc. etc.

      When I grew up in the 60′s we didn’t even lock our doors when we went on vacation. We all went to the same church, the same school and we actually knew and loved OUR neighbors….Now, I wonder what has changed????……Go figure.

      As I stated in this blog, “Freedom and security are illusions of the human mind that are played upon by those who seek absolute power.”

      The fact is, both FREEDOM and SECURITY come from our CREATOR and not from men or GOVERNMENTS.

      • dan az

        Lubo
        that brought back memories thanks!Its true that is what we need to teach our children and grand children the ways of the not so long ago.
        The only security I need is smith and wesson among others.And by all means teach your children the right way to shoot not like they see the gang punks do.Gun control head shots only!

        • Lubo

          dan az…..Yep! The FAMILY UNIT has been destroyed by the PC crowd and when you don’t have family, you don’t have any leadership to learn from. In fact, I learned about my CREATOR and the FOUNDING Fathers through two very good parents, not public school. Most importantly, I learned that when you do something wrong, then you step up, admit your mistake, and then make it right. I was also taught to MIND YOUR ON BUSINESS and not covet your neighborhood and when your neighbor needed help, you helped them in any way you possibly could, and we wonder why we didn’t need to lock our doors?

          That is the AMERICA I grew up in and I do not even recognize this country anymore. All I see is a bunch of greedy self-centered power hungry control freaks or something to that affect.

  • JM

    Reading all the comments leads me to believe that we have more unintelligent people in the USA. All the me,me people that are crying about the, “Patriot Act” that has kept us safe for now, took place after 9/11. Maybe you would like to speak to the many, many families that lost someone on 9/11 and cry to them that you are offended to have yourself searched at a airport. You are the people who cry the loudest when an attack of some kind happens that we were not protected. Children who have been given the reasons for our strict guide lines know better. Reread the 4th Amendment again, maybe get someone to break it down for you. It states “Unlawful searches” if you think we are not still in danger from groups that hate us and have and will continue to harm us, then you need to move to the
    countries that want to harm the USA. The person that says we will be the greatest country on earth as long as the Democrats are in charge have surely not read the “Constitution”, or did not understand it, for it was the Democrats that were in charge that broke up all our agencies that lead to the biggest disaster ever. They continue to turn their backs when danger is presented and do best on what they do,”NOTHING”!

  • atlas reborn

    sorry patricia i ment angel. angel good replies.

  • THINK ABOUT

    Still waiting for the plan, groups wants to be in charge, of what, they have no plan, utter disorder, screaming and yelling falsehoods. Now is this groups that should be in charge.

    • dan az

      think about it
      still waiting for your reply!!!!

  • TAKE BACK AMERICA

    Remove the Lobbyist and you remove the problems. Transparency will never be possible as long as they’re in power.

  • 45caliber

    I agree with Bob about this Amendment – but like most of the Constitution, it’s been gone for years as far as the government is concerned. I’m waiting now to see when they start putting soldiers in our homes.

    • dan az

      45
      so am I soon I hope its like a child waiting for morning on christmas day oh boy just what I wanted more guns an ammo delivered to your door!

  • steelmagnolia

    Hey folks: There is a presence of someone in this string that is not a REAL American. Do you want to continue? I have read ALL of the replies and this ‘lady’ or man by a woman’s name has a distinct difference that ‘red-flagged’ me. Please be Careful, people.

    • dan az

      steelmagnolia
      Let me guess mariea mandel?Who cares if he or she had balls they would use there real name!head in sand or azz dosent make them much a threat!

    • Marie Mandel

      Let me guess steelmagnolia, you must be an avid spy-book reader, right? or just plain paranoid.

  • Mike

    The D’s and R’s are all a bunch of criminals…would you trust any of them to babysit your kids or grand-kids? Then, why do you still vote for them? It is a game to them, it is how they control you. That saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes, really rings the bell…not the Liberty Bell…the tyranny bell!!!

  • steelmagnolia

    IF through another non-political group there could come a new coalition, we would have choices. I am now neither D nor R, but I
    can’t refuse to vote somewhere. Please tell all reading and writing
    here what your thoughts on this.

  • TAKE BACK AMERICA

    You spend too much time bashing the politicians, they KNOW where their bread is buttered. Until something is done with the lobbyists nothing will change.

    • steelmagnolia

      You are straight forward. I agree we are far past bashing the bad guys. We’ve(that means me too) been doing that for my entire life and it was going on long before I was. Is it not that WE have become complacent, apathetic, sniveling, weak-kneed/need to blame someone ELSE? You must have a change of heart and fortitude to wrench yourself out of the ‘couch potato’ comfort. THAT can change everything. My friends the Jews waited until they were nearly annihilated to see and smell the too late danger. MANY fled and began their families and lives again. Why were so many murdered? How could that happen to smart,thinking folks, many with wealth? Are we any different? Think Americans! Are we going to sit on our hands waiting to be ’rounded up’ and put in prisons, etc. What would we advise our children or friends to do IF they were in this alone?

      • dan az

        steel magnolia
        Lock an load

  • Lubo

    Security and safety are illusions of the human mind played upon by those who seek absolute power.

    So let us all henceforth dwell within our progressive “Safety Net” and the all encompassing “Patriot Act”.

    Those of us who relish such “Protections”, over FREEDOM, are worthy of neither.

    Give me liberty or give me death!

    Maybe it’s time to send both the R’s & D’s home and reboot the constitution….and yes, maybe “GROW UP” just a little bit!

  • steelmagnolia

    I agree, Lubo. I had a talk with a new friend in the TEAparties here.
    I want to vote outside those two boxes. Folks that are grassroots know there is a better way, yet since it hasn’t been successful in the past, they are afraid to try. THAT is the key word: FEAR. With it, we will not succeed in rooting this situation. Without it, comes the revolution FEAR is afraid of. Standing against Washington will cost us; bowing to it will cost us more. What will it be?

    • Lubo

      steelmagnolia…Correct! Stand for something or fall for anything. It’s time to take a stand and seek out those who would represent us, without FEAR and/or apology, regardless of political affiliations.

      History does not have a patent on brave AMERICAN/FREEDOM loving men and/or women, who understand the truths of what we speak, we just need to find them, and place them in power.

      • dan az

        Lubo
        thanks well said!

    • Marie Mandel

      But you are spreading fear with your all your” teaparty” non-sense. Do you consider yourself an intelligent being? Then start thinking.

  • http://none Molly B

    Pertaining to the 4th amendment…..We citizens of this great country, need to submit to this violation of our person, our private lives in every way….BUT….The illegals, can break our laws, get all the benefits of our hard labors and complain about carrying ID’s…Something is teribly wrong here….

  • NormP

    “No place to run, no place to hide” a book title which has unfortunately become all too true. The thought police are coming and WILL be here shortly, there is nothing you can do. Technology will soon take over every aspect of all of our lives. America was already doomed to collapse and failure, technology will only speed the process. Come quickly LORD JESUS.

    • Norm

      NormP

      Isaiah 45:7. “I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord do all these things”.

    • steelmagnolia

      Dear Norm: The Lord is coming; until then He tells us to STAND once we have done all we can. We have not but just begun. This has been coming a lot of years, going back to Gen. 1. He is giving wisdom, insight, moving us in His Will. Do we just sit back and wait? We don’t need to run or hide. Our will if aligned with His Will is being subjugated daily. Check your thinking, your speaking, your actions. What is controlling you daily?…making a living or working for more and better?
      What or who are you worshiping? Where does your mind/thoughts wander?
      This is not about our administration; they are not our problem. WE ARE

  • http://Yahoo.com Sue C

    Bob Livingston! I can’t believe you have this statement written on paper about the 4th Amendment, but I am sure you have gone Senile, or you are not going to be around for a long time! You are so anti-American, you make foreigners look like Patriots! I am so sick of your folly! Nevertheless, I will leave you, and many others with this Scripture:

    Though you bray a FOOL in s Mortar, with a Pestle, among Wheat, yet will not His Foolishness DEPART from HIM. Go to the Book of Proverbs, and do some homework, to find the source of the above Scriptures. Thanks.

  • steelmagnolia

    Sorry…IF our will is NOT aligned with His Will, our will is being
    routed…daily.

  • blv54

    archie bunker had a great idea yrs ago pass out guns to everyone when they get on the plane then if a terrorist tries something he’s outgunned, then just collect the guns as the passangers unboard, I know to simplistic for this day and age.

    • steelmagnolia

      Not so simplistic. Why should Marshalls be paid for what true patriots
      would do for free.

  • steelmagnolia

    Mr. Livingston: In depth article. It is hard to believe most of America is using their days to GET…We are more concerned if I can purchase the latest TV, car, trip, whatever. We are not concerned about the important things, like having our Civil Rights removed.

    I am far from paranoid, but I read in an FBI office many years ago: “It’s good to be paranoid at times”. Fear keeps you from walking into the traffic, oftentimes makes you take your annual physical, sometimes makes you change jobs for the best benefit.

    We are not to be afraid of the one that can kill the body, but fear (awesome respect) the One who can kill the soul and body. That’s why we need to stand up, not talk up, for ourselves, our families, friends, EVEN neighbors that don’t like us. We must band together.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Band together to do what? Have another 0 accomplishment Glen/Sarah party? I heard there were 300k there, what got accomplished…..NOTHING. I’ve said it over and over, get rid of America’s terrorists. Get rid of the Lobbyists and your vote will actually count.

      • Claire

        Take Back America–Glen Beck now says he regrets saying the terrible things about Obama. So what is going on?
        The lobbyists aren’t going anywhere. They will always be in government. The Democrats and the Republicans can’t seem to survive without them.

        • TAKE BACK AMERICA

          They (the Lobbyists) are running this country. Put a ceiling on political contributions and our politicians will actually have to listen. Currently money drives politicians not you or me. We are driven by fear and as history shows, it works.

          • steelmagnolia

            What you say has merit. Sounds better as you go. Making known to your State candidates, to your local candidates what is expected, not accepted because you don’t have a choice. THAT has to be done in sync with other like-minds and hearts. THAT is an answer you didn’t have a few hours ago. Today I have candidate stickers on my car….never before EVER. I have candidate yard signs….never, EVER. I am voting against the establishment of Rebpublican per se..NEVER. I am interviewing whoever is to get my vote. I am encouraging other voters, lots of them. I am no longer an angry Patriot AT someone, but a scheming, well thinking one able to verbalize my anger, voting contrary to my past history. Locate sites to tell you what your candidate is doing, who is what, judges that are liberal, RINOs, do your homework and you will be freer than in your last two years. IF you are not afraid, I’m afraid for you.

          • steelmagnolia

            Then, go after the Lobbyists. Be centered on the bad guys. There are Lobbyists against and for the same thing you are. Go to or contact them, lobby them to help you help yourself and others. Use your anger to construct ways and means (not the committee :). Get clear about pursuing the heart-weak, self-imaged strong enemy and organizations. They can ALL be brought down in time. You must have more conscience, fortitude and honor than they. Patience may not be your forte’, but you can adopt it and it becomes your best friend. Can’t stoop to deceit,etc. “Level” the playing field. You have a say, a vote, a voice. The children and young folks are blind(so to speak) right now. You on the other hand, are not. You’ve seen and experienced a wonderful nation being torn down daily. They are too young to know what you are talking about.

            I have friends that voted differently from me, but I still love them. I don’t blame them for being ‘taken in’. It could have been you or me too with regret now.

        • Claire

          I know a few people that wanted to go to Beck’s rally but could not afford it. Apparently there were quite a few that could afford it.

          • steelmagnolia

            So, every citizen can’t attend a rally like that. Do what you can inside your own life…TEAparties, 912s, school board meetings, city council meetings, walk for those in the races you are for, get energized
            by hope for your future. Wringing your hands, hateful rhetoric, screaming, cursing, threatening, name calling may make you feel powerful. It actually opposes courage and clear thinking. Make a good choice as you might for health, care of your children/ grandchildren, finances. I have chosen to join a couple of groups in my city to help take back our Nation. I may get mowed down from the bad guys, but I will go down in flames. I am against most everything our government and present administration presents. We are not just….whatever you consider you aren’t. Run for local government, challenge yourself to listen and act in what you are hearing. The controllers won’t like you. You will scare yourself. You will succeed in somethings, not in others. Fear where you are now is understandable, but if one of your children were drowning, I doubt you would stand idly by and let him drown, even if you knew you would drown. You think you are weak. You are not. Neither am I. See you out here.

          • Claire

            First of all, I am not afraid, I am aggravated with both parties. In fact, I am disgusted with them all. Neither party has the ethics and morals of an alley cat. None of them have my respect. Tea party? Here in my town?? I attended two of their so-called meetings, the first meeting was okay then the second meeting they started promoting the Republicans. Forget it. I expected non-partisanship and ended up hearing about how “great” the Republican party is. Barf and gag. The Republicans are certainly no better than the Democrats. Both parties had a hand in the downfall of our economy and everything else. This has been going on for decades. All politicians need to be ousted and none re-elected or elected. We need decent, honest, ethical, rational, logical, and common sense people to run this government. People that are not tied to the big corporations, the insurance companies, the lobbyists, the oil companies, and so on. Can you think of anyone that fits this description?

      • steelmagnolia

        I am probably more angry, scared, exhausted by lies than most, but I am just ‘waking up’as from a very deep sleep. Consider our choices. Not to do anything is NOT a choice. Our loved ones are to be harmed in more ways than we can count. I am not willing to be angry at people…it is aimless. Agree or not, it is not the people, the positions they hold ie lobbyist, senator, congressman, president, etc. It is, as I said, WE/US/OUR failure to participate in our own Nation’s failures to help find answers. We just want the good and to go home with a sigh at the end of the day. The bad guys never sleep, they dream of more takings, less interference from the citizens, more notoriety, etc. So, you’re saying zero was accomplished? You are wrong;every person there or watching was awakened. You have to wake up before a new day begins. You, don’t wait until you are nutty. Take your anger to the streets with a TEAparty, or 912 group, or something. Get involved in your real life. You’re frustrated. Let us move with others, not alone.

        • TAKE BACK AMERICA

          I don’t agree, IT’S THE MONEY.

          • steelmagnolia

            You and I both know money is power. They go together. How many powerful people are not billionaires, visa versa. But, we the people in strength of number don’t need the billions to be powerful, for that is where the strength is. IF you are fearful of what ‘they’ can do to you, you are already defeated. Yes?

          • TAKE BACK AMERICA

            We put little money into our politicians during the races, Lobbyists are there year round. Look at tobacco, look at our latest oil spill. I am willing to admit defeat. Our politicians ARE defeated. We need to change the way our politicians win and maintain their offices. They have no choice, money wins. How many years did it take before we KNEW that cigarettes caused cancer? Lobbyists are our problem, not politicians, their just keeping their jobs.

  • SilverHairedSaint

    And now they can enter your property and place GPS tracking devices on your vehicles without a warrant.
    I must admit this concerned me less when the country was in different hands, then we have now; but, I should have thought it through further. This is bad in any government’s hands.

  • steelmagnolia

    You can still pray, talk to others, eat, drink, live…today. You are not defeated unless you don’t do anything or give up half way through.
    I know the fear, I know you think you are alone. NOT!!!

  • steelmagnolia

    Many, nay most, of us are afraid of confrontation with these ‘giants’. IF you read The Bible, for this sake, read where Moses was leading the millions of Israelites out of Egypt. They were a very scared people group. When it came time to take the land promised by G-d, 12 men went into the land and came back with fear and trembling…the land was filled with ‘giants’. Read the results of a little faith and obedience.
    THIS is another day as that. ALL our lives depend not upon great $, or great strength…it depends upon resetting our vision to what is important. I am no longer a stay in and leave everybody else alone. Much has changed since I saw Mr. O as a Senator in Chicago. I had to agree to change whether or not I agreed. Get it?

  • hundabuxt

    The bottom line people is our system of government has been corrupted by the money changers, AKS lobbyists like Abramoff, who have bottomless pocketbooks to purchace influence from our so called “representatives” who rationalize the favors, perks and money they happily take ostensibly for their reelection campaign fund. Hundreds of examples exist where our interests as constituants were not being served and worse we suffered either directly or indirectly as a result. Politicians are well skilled at deflecting any criticism or direct questions regarding their behavior and most of us are too busy or too ignorant and disorganized to do anything. As long as it takes millions to get elected and the time the election process comsumes makes most of us zombies who no longer listen to the ads droning along and we end up voting what we think is in our best interests, i.e., longivity, which actually works against us, the problems persist and the wealthy and powerful get more so.

    • steelmagnolia

      You are right. So, what is your course of action? Do you just give up and go it alone? The TEAparty leaders for the most part are listening, not setting a stage for the Republicans. Write TEAparty National and they will step in and help you. IF the TEAparty is directing and telling you what to do, then it is not a true TEAparty and you can be directed to another one or you can start one. THAT’s what grassroots is. The one(s) I attend, say something, I disagree, or I write in our site that I’m going another way, they are not to EVER tell the members what or where or how to do their conscience. IF you vote true conservative, tell them why you are going to another candidate. IF you don’t vote, some others will vote for you…LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE.

      I’m not selling TEAparties, or 912ers or anything else. IF you want to fight what is destroying your life, you must fight along with others in your area. Be willing to drive further than your neighborhood. Be willing to speak your resistance to whomever the facilitator is suggesting. Communicate or you will be fruitless in your efforts and they will miss another healthy voice.

    • steelmagnolia

      You are right. As I asked someone else, “what is your course of action?”
      I don’t listen to TV speeches. I don’t go to fundraisers for those who I know are RINOs. I read, talk to others that do watch TV, go to….
      and they listen to what I’ve found out. I even went to a Liberal-lead, O. wannabe’s “neighborhood meeting”. He had a lot of his close friends, advisors, family there saying what a good guy he is. He bashed Mr. Bush, Mr. whomever, the Republicans, the weather, whatever. After 1-1/2 hrs of zero depth, I left. He won that primary, but I learned a lot in that time really listening for clues. I knew, when I walked out somewhat dismayed at no answers, what I was listening for WAS realized. I listened to 2 Republican candidates and in my heart refused to vote for either of them. One did win, but I know he will not perform his confident speeches in Washington…he is for sale…now or later. Turn off the TV ads and speeches and read/listen to what conservatives are saying. Read their voting history always available. Find a candidate you believe and support him/her. Join a TEAparty, or 912 group or a group of conservatives with no handle.

  • dan az

    Hopefully Ron Paul will run with Palin as back up, he thinks he is needed more in the senate making and protecting laws.I beg to differ with him that his place is up front an center to fight off the nwo bucnh and with palin at his back he has a pretty good chance to give back our constitution.Get the federal reserve out of our pockets and killing off the irs and bringing back our troops from this suicide mission of politicly correct war.Since the congress is going to be conservatives he shouldnt have much of a problem to turn things around.All we need to do is let him know that its time to stop talking about it and do the things that are needed.

    • steelmagnolia

      I hear a lot about him. I really like his Dad, too. He MAY be right. MY candidate here left congress to work behind the scenes. He is very effective, yet he is being called into the main slot HERE to cut off the LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE moving to take down our State and turn it over to Washington. I am backing a ‘long-shot’ but I am clear the Republican candidate won’t win against the Liberal. I’d rather win by a slim margin or not, than to have never made that choice. We are definitely short of wise, strong, honest, truthful candidates. We may see a lot more as their sleep is interrupted by nagging nightmares, dreams of a takeover IF they don’t do something. I’ve made some rash decisions since ’08.

  • atlas reborn

    take back america the cause of cancer is benzene, and in the thirties lighters started to take over lighting cigarettes. all the lighters uses benene in the lighter fluid. hence the first draw of cigarette smoke was loaded with the cancer cause chemical.

  • atlas reborn

    steelmagnolia I think that if we all band together not all will come but a lot will and we refuse to work as slaves, we will all go on strike untill the dems and republicans return our country to the values of our founding fathers, and also enforce our current immigration laws and constitutional laws and end all the fighting that our troops are involved in. the cost in lives and capital is way to much to ask when there is no benifit to america or the world, and we need to withdraw from the un. there is no reason to have us subjected to values that are abhorant to the constitution.

  • Tom Wyckoff

    Americans have had their “Head in the sand” long enough! I would like to leave you with two Quotes,,, you decide where you stand and think about what YOU should do next. Personally, I am fighting FOR FREEDOM!
    Tom W

    Quote: “This country, with all its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”
    - Abraham Lincoln

    Quote: “We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”
    - Norman Thomas, American Socialist Party, 1944

    America,,, you are closer to Socialism and Communism than you think!

    • steelmagnolia

      Thank you Tom. The term used these days is “frog in the frying pan”. IF you put them in a hot pan, they will jump out. Oh, but put them in a cold pan, and in a while, slowly turn up the heat, they die. That is the only thing about OUR poor voting choice that helps these days, is that he is so narcissistic, he wants it ALL NOW!! So we can know for sure what is coming down…no explosion and all goes his way. He talks about his fantasies, acts out his hatreds and we know. He was doing that as a Senator, but people ‘loved’ him because he could B.S. the best.

      • Marie Mandel

        You read too many fiction books.

  • atlas reborn

    tim wyckoff I agree with you, but my understanding looking at the notes i see hardly no one has the backbone to stand up as our forefathers did and throw off the tyranny that is enveloping this nation. and no one will strike because the dollar is first in their mind, but it will be worthless if we do not take back the country, or go on strike and stop the country in its tracks till it is returned to the values that will save all that we want and need. one is violent, and one is peaceful you choose. I have allready decided my way what will yours be????

    • steelmagnolia

      IF someone threatened my children, I would tear them apart. IF they aimed a gun or knife, I’d go first. This is my country and yours. Someone is aiming missiles at us, threatening us (and Israel), our families, their future along with this internal destruction. I’m presently not sitting, wringing my hands, weeping how I’m not happy, I’m taking care of ALL I can do while I still can. Every person I talk with is angry or sad or scared. I am all that and more. But that doesn’t get these vermin out; I won’t stop until they are out or I am gone forever. We KNOW what is wrong, who did it and what it’s going to cause. Now, what are we all going to do.

      I saw a sign on a homeowner’s door you might agree with: There is a picture of a gun and it says, we don’t call 911.

  • http://Windows Caroline

    Democrate or Republican makes no difference as long as we vote conservitive,they are the only ones that are going put this country back on it’s feet. The OWO is going to take over the USA if the American people do not open their eyes and see what is going on! We are loosing everything for the sake of safty! But as said before, for who’s safty? If you are a Christian and you speak against what is moral in the eyes of God then you are commiting a hate crime, yet the muslum’s can shoult their garbaige and it’s called freedom of speech. This country was founded on Christanity! WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION, Obama had no right in saying that we are not! Alot of People that I know that had voted for him are very sorry that they did,he has not proven that he was born on american soil and there for be voted out of office by the people and have a new election before his term is up!

    • steelmagnolia

      You’re right Caroline. Here’s part and parcel of what has occurred…”frog in the frying pan” again. Approx 100 years ago, the Patriots/citizens/Christians/conservatives allowed a few bad people to re-write our history books, science books, math books, take our Bibles out of the education, White House,told us how to rear our children, took away and everything relating to G-d, became so greedy for power and money, our own Presidents and the Congress caved and here we are 100 years later, fighting for our Constitution and Bill of Rights.This can be turned around, but it is going to cost us what we think we don’t have enough of…our time, resources, heart, prayers and faith.

  • Lee Abel

    Wow I see so many wild a$$ rants and raves and such and just wonder how some people arent in straight jackets, and yet some talk sanity.
    Now lets talk the “body scanners” ,First of all they are designed to not make a human form “naked” the wave length they are attuned for are hard objects, like say knives, box cutters, “Zippo” lighters, bullets,guns etc.
    Second of all they have been around since the 70s, just ACLU got into the act of saying they could let people see you naked, ever look at an Xray or CT Scan, never saw one that made a decent naked picture that would get me excited.
    Now also the scanners are remotely operated by SERVERS, programs look at pictures not people, they look for things of a suspicious nature THEN alert the AUTHORITIES to stop someone. The line of chemical sniffers being fought right now would have been able to find the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber. With no disturbance to regular people.
    Also if PROPERLY introduced the scanners will do away with removal of shoes, pat downs etc.
    Hmmm security in certain areas is destruction of the 4th Amendment, strange for as long as I can remember if you went to a court house you got frisked and wanded to enter most of them and I’m 42.
    Seems that if you enter a military base you can be searched, hmmmmm.
    Why? SECURITY! You want a place secure, you search. Heck if you want to go that route then a company trying to stop people from stealing secrets is breaking 4th amendment, oh thats not government.
    Oh and as for the scanning vans and trucks, the cost to operate them is extreme, and the life of the scanner isnt such that it can be employed for days or weeks on end.
    See my brother works in non destructive testing, and I asked him about these items, and besides even if the van could run around scanning cars forever, if it found little Johnny Bombmaker running around with 50 bombs in his trunk, it might be a good thing.
    Now on the point of we should be allowed to make bombs, in that vein maybe I should be allowed to build full size nuclear bombs in my home,,as long as I dont set one off. See there are certain things regualr people DONT need.
    Nitroglycerin is one, me as a drag racer keeping over a certain amount of race fuel be it nitromethane or gasoline is dangerous and without proper safety precautions would constitute problems in safety.
    IF, upon entering a certain area of increased security, you DO set aside specific rights to search, BUT other rights are not terminated and still stand.
    Now think some before you rant on my post.
    IF you want to let lawlessness to rule then lets dump all government, no planes to fly, no ships to protect, no cops to take bad people away,,oh wait then you will want to nominate a guy to keep you safe, a sheriff or such.
    How about we teach morals, and right and wrong not politically correct. Or community correct, to our young, give them structure, oh wait the immoral people or the ones who seem to fight moral people, some called Christians, said we cant teach them all sides of the equation, so they guess and wonder.
    If we teach good, right and proper then they tend to grow into good , right and proper adults and cant be asked to be a sheriff or soldier or president.
    Now if you had a stick that you could hold in your hand and it would tell you if a person is bad or evil, should you use it or would you use it or would you burn it?
    If you had a book that tells you how to do good, how to see evil, and how to walk away from evil, would you use it, or would you burn or ban it?
    If you have a tool that can see a gun or knife or possible weapon, NOT look at the body(see a human body needs a different wavelength to be “seen” by body scanners) and alert you to a bad person taking something bad onto a plane, to possibly do bad, would you use it or destroy it?

    • Marie Mandel

      Lee, everything you write here is absolutely true, but will it register here?

  • http://www.DonCordellforPresident.com Don Cordell

    If you think the Muslim did 9/11 search Google for “Building 7″ when you understand Building 7 you will understand the Terrorist Act, the Home Security Act, the War Commissions Act of 2006, and the War on Iraq and Afghanistan. When you want to take over a nation, you cause an action for the citizens to believe we must protect our nation, at any cost, all lies. We are being destroyed, do you care? Where are the jobs? more and more hundreds of thousands every month, now living on unemployment for 99 months, then what? This is going to crash just before Obama runs for re election, telling you, only he can now save us. Then he will dump us to the United Nations as the only way to for America to survive. When you are hungry, you will submit to anything. Well it’s time to elect Don Cordell as your next President, and We the People will Restore, not Change America.

  • THINK ABOUT

    I read comments which sounds like Tea Party folks but have yet to see anything of a plan of action on running this country. After all this time and all I hear is we want our country back, lock and load, we want to protect our rights, but still no plan of action. I tend to believe if this country was run by Tea Party it would remain the same because when party is in office they will find out there just might be reasons why we have to have rules in the flying game and many others. They will probably realize there are some people who should not have firearms such as the shooter at Ft Hood. Sounds good but not probable, put your plan in writing.

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    And, as you are watching TV, the electronic search warrant will flash on your screen, with a siren, kind of like how extreme weather reports are. The guilty person (afterall, when the police show up, it is not to search/arrest an innocent person, just a guilty one), you will be told in a stern voice to assume the position, which is on your knees, as if saying prayers to the kuran. While this is all happening, the police will crash through your front door, and a police robot (kind of like the ones used by bomb squads) will enter your residence, and while kneeling, will conduct a rectal exam to the people who are on their knees. Then, it will announce in a clear, loud voice: “ALL CLEAR!” And, the cops will then come in to search your residence! So, how’s that hopey-changie thingie working out for you!?

    • Denniso

      What a fertile imagination! This sounds pretty close to what has been going on since Reagan ramped up the ‘drug war’ and police conduct no-knock raids on homes w/kids present and sometimes the wrong house…innocent people subjected to terror and destruction and sometimes killed…all to make sure they don’t have some illegal substance.

      Where in hell has the rightwing been and all you phony ‘patriots’ mouthing the freedoms in the constitution? The people fighting this kind of police state behavior? Liberals, like the ACLU and others.

  • atlas reborn

    it is amazing that most people do not understand the founding fathers and what they did. first they limited government, not the people.second they gave us a bill of rights what we could and what the government could not do. we could do what ever we wanted as long as we did not violate the rights of others. which are the same rights we have. the first admendment says congress shall make no law that establishes a religion,(even though most were christian,some diest, jewish)nor prohibit the free exercise of religion. establish means to make one.but the states could independent of the constitution have a state religion which all did have a religion. the constitution made the states superior to the federal government articles 9 and 10. in fact it could also be said if you read the wording correctly all powers not delegated to the federal government are to the people or or the states. wow what a difference the states are to tell the feds not the other way as it is right now. but you see that lincoln went to war with the south not to preserve the union but to create what the founding fathers forbad. lincoln made the federal superior to the states. remember that the states created the federal government so the states would not be at each others necks, and fighting each other. if a state wanted a atate religion it could have a state religion. it made it possible to prosucute someone who broke a law in one state and then fled to another state so he would not be prosucuted. the federal goverment would take that person to court and find the facts and send the person to the state where the crime was commited. from then on we have been piling on one insult on top of another on the constitution and the american people. if you do not like that then do what is necessary to correct the wrong that has been done. either take back the country or surrender to the tyranny that our government is foisting upon you and become the slave they want you to be. you have to make that decision. I can not tell you what to do, but you can do what is right. constitution or slavery?

  • atlas reborn

    by the way it would be a good idea to read the constitution. if you do not have a copy then go down to the 99 cent store and buy a copy of the world almanac and book of facts. it is in there, just look it up in the index and go read it slowly so it can filter into your mind and understand what it says. or go the libary and get a copy of the federalist papers and read it and really get to understand what we were getting and not getting. you may end up with a better understanding and why I am saying what I am saying is so important to me and everyone who cherishes freedom and liberty. May God bless you all.

  • DJWalksalone

    I will be getting on a plane on Fri morning and I hope they are doing the searchs…I would much rather feel safe than have to worry that they didn’t do the job that they are hired to do and that could possibly put some odoit on the plane with me…nuff said!

  • DJWalksalone

    And I did spell that Odoit – you know and ODD BALL/IDIOT!!!!

  • hundabuxt

    We have all sat by while the federal government has become a bloated inefficient mass of grotesque cellulite with an insatiable life of its own. Programs continue to exist that should have long ago been ended. We get stuck with lifetime buraucrats making $50,000 to $200,000 per year or more and then carry them into retirement with full benifits. Government is too big and too expensive. Given the power here’s what I’d do: All agencies would be required to reduce their budget 10% across the board with the possible exception of the military. Military weapons development would be streamlined for both immediate and 10 year essential security needs taking away the virtual blank check the Pentegon has. We close most of the 160 plus bases abroad except for Guam, Diego Garcia, South Korea, Greenland, Spain and Iraq where we have the biggest so called Embassy in the freaking world. We compel Iraq to make a long term commitment to reimburse America for her commitment to the people of Iraq in the form of oil, which they have in abundance plus Iraq is now responsible for the costs of our presence and the costs of repairing and maintaining the infrastructure. All contractors associated with our efforts in Iraq and Afganistan are to be investigated and evaluated for malfeasance and corruption and an independent civilian panel will be selected for the task. Federal political influence will not be allowed and will be punished for any attempt to do so. Corporations found guilty will be fined and banned from participating in Federal bids for 5 years. Corporate officers would face criminal charges and potential prison sentences. These people have been guilty of theft from the American people. This should serve notice on those who’ve repeatedly done so.
    Campaigns for federal offices will be limited to 30 days and a fixed amount of funds provided by the American people. No longer will an incumbent have an insurmountable advantage. Senators will be limited to two 4 year terms and Congressmen an equal amount. Both will be required to campaign every two years. The president of the US will be subject to a vote of confidence from both houses of the legislature during his tenure much like the Parlamentry system. If found to be undesirable, the VP takes his office until the next plebicite.
    The United States will declare a national emergency regarding energy and to the extent possible all energy sources will be available for development with the intent being energy independence ASAP. We import far too much hydrocarbon products and the dollars being spent are too often being used to fund our enemies. Energy companys developing our resources will sign a binding agreement to develop in a clean and environmently sound manner with a fund created for tapping should an accident or flagrant event occur. All imported energy will come from non-beligerent countries and will be taxed with the proceeds being devoted to R&D efforts toward clean energy sources such as solar, hydro electric, hydrogen fuel cell and the like with the ultimate development of nucular fusion, (not fission) a relatively clean and virtually inexhaustable supply of energy. Households will get a significant tax break for installing efficient appliances and energy sources. Fuel cell technology will be explored for providing a common source of energy for a block of 6 homes in new developments with all participants contributing to the maintenance expenses and utility interface used as a backup. Any excess power will be sent into the common grid and be credited to an interest bearing account, which will be used in the event of the need of grid power. Off hours power capacity will be used to produce hydrogen. Modern and convienent rapid transit systems like a Monorail will be developed and partially paid for by tolls imposed on those determined to drive their cars and a tax on auto fuels. Main lines will take people the longer distances with smaller modern transport available at the terminals for distribution of people. The use of 10-12 person vans for car pooling will be encouraged and to some degree subsidized. Large truck distribution which we depend on so heavily to get our goods to the stores will be electric on a progressive program. Electric tractors have become very powerful and with proliferation, will become more affordable. Medical care would be universally available to all but in the manner envisioned by Obama, which does not address the gross rip off the medical industry at all levels brings to bear on us. We pay more pre capita than virtually any other country and do not, repeat: DO NOT have the best care in the world no matter how much BS you’re fed. Islands of excellence exist in the US such as the Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic and the like no doubt. But the American people are a cash cow to the medical industry and that will stop. How would you feel about the food industry holding us hostage like the medical community does? How would you like to go to the market to find that milk and eggs have been increased 40% and never go back down with market forces? Food is no less essential to our health than medical care is. An emphasis would be put on preventive care, which would preclude development of many diseases or at least mitigate the treatment and survival rate. Many of you are outraged by the prospect of universal care because you’re quite happy with what you have. Consider that taxpayers subsidize medical and dental coverage for the millions of government workers at all levels of government including their dependents. We pay for all the costs of American natives for life. We understandably pay for Veteran care one of the few programs that are worth the cost, which should be even improved in my opinion. It is plausable that a family of 4 living on $40,000 per year unable to afford medical insurance left to fend for themselves, yet their taxes pay for the government employees ostensibly serving them. I’m just getting started here. Many thing’s are broken in America but the determination and grit that existed in the so called “greatest Generation” still lurks within us. We can be the next “Greatest Generation” if we take back our country from the liars, cheats, thieves and the grossly greedy and corrupt we now suffer under.

  • atlas reborn

    hundabux some of what you say is good, but a lot of it is lost.fusion power can have super catostrophic results. it can explode because it is always unstable and that is why it will not work. where as nuclear power can easily be shut down and why we have not had a catastropic explosion. chernoble was known to be dangerous and unstable but the bureacrats did not care. what industry does best let it do it. government is the least via able. waste is their hallmark. keep government out of industry. incentive produces new and better products and reduces costs. profit induces invention and competion which lowers prices to consumers. dictating what people can and can not do it socialism or worse. reducing the terms in office to one term will do the best because we will have new blood with new ideas and the will have no incentive to create little communes. that is what our founding fathers had in mind. let us follow their footsteps. if you want to understand this read three books. atlas shrugged,federalist papers, and the bible.

  • atlas reborn

    also we need to abolish the income tax. tarriffs and sales taxes(under 4%)will fund a frugal government. states will be allowed to tax direct taxes on their populations not to exceed 10%. their will be no need for any more, because welfare for business or people is prohibited, this is needed to prevent slavery.

  • 83YEAROLD

    I HAVE JUST SPENT SEVERAL HOURS READING THESE COMMENTS. I THINK EVERYONE WANTS THE SAME THINGS FOR AMERICA: FREEDOM, SECURITY AND THE RIGHT TO “PURSUE HAPPINESS”. CALLING NAMES AND SAYING THAT THOSE WITH OTHER VIEWS ARE STUPID OR TRAITORS WILL NOT SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. I WAS 14 WHEN WE WERE ATTACKED AT PEARL HARBOR. THE MANY DIVERGENT VIEW3S OF OUR PEOPLE WERE SET ASIDE AND THE COUNTRY WAS UNIFIED AS NEVER BEFORE OR SINCE. THE USA IS THE GREATEST AND BEST NATION WHICH HAS EVER EXISTED ON THIS EARTH! LET US WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP IT THAT WAY!

    My personal view is that ‘political correctness” is one of our most severe problems. For example why is discrimination a bad word? My parents taught me to discriminate, good from bad, honest from dishonest, etc. I think an intelligent person should be discriminating.

    When Obama was elected, I stated my belief that a majority of those who voted for him would regret it. He is much further left than the people of this country and feels that he has no obligation to heed the wishes of the majority.

    The greatest failing of liberalism is the elitist view that they know best and should impose their views on the ignorant masses who do not know what is right!

    • Denniso

      Don’t the ‘ignorant’ masses think they know best also? Doesn’t everyone think they know what’s best for the country? We listen to people who are the best educated and have the most experience in gov’t and politics because everybody can’t be right about haow to do things…would you want your airline pilot to be the most educated w/ the most experience or some one from the ‘ignorant’ masses or a kid w/ no training or experience? Is that being elitist, or smart?

  • atlas reborn

    83yearold i agree with you , and political correctness is a phrase that means dictate what you can and can not say, do and not do, and either follow or be shut down. government has shown that they want to control everything, and the best way to do this is to take over the schools as they have done. now all they get taught is political correctness and so they follow like a blind man without knowing the truth. once you shut down free speach most of the battle has been won by the side in power when free speach is shut down. presently the liberals are in power and you know what is next, for you seem very intelligent. keep telling the truth and it will set you free.

  • http://personalliberty.com Keith

    All of you sheeple who with the “whatever it takes” mentality concerning your safety need to remember the quote from Ben Franklin “Any man that will trade liberty for safety emperils both and deserve neither”. You sheep deserve neither liberty or security

  • RobertK

    this is all very sad. we the people do care, but there is only so much we can do in a world of such deception. what you need to do with your articles is to relate to the Word of God that which will free people, not simply all the doom and gloom. the fruits of the Spirit are more important than simply spewing out the course of madness this world is on. so write about this stuff because we need to know, but don’t beat up the reader like people don’t care. people do care and are trying to do things, but if one does not care of their household they are worse than an infidel. we would all love to save the nation. so relate something back to the Bible and bring people back up from the abyss of doom and gloom to the hope that is found in Christ Jesus. otherwise, you’re just another raging writing beating everyone up with all the sin going on in our world instead of focusing on the answer as provided by our Creator. the truth will set us free…

  • atlas reborn

    robertk we can also go and buy a rifle or handgun and be ready to defend our constitution and way of life. God works is many ways including fighting to defend God and country. my powder is dry and my peace is ready. I may not live to see my God and country but I will die trying. then I will rest in peace and answer to God. My country will not need me any more.

    • Denniso

      If you’re a Christian then you should listen to Jesus…did he ever advocate taking up arms against your fellow humans? Don’t think so.

    • truesoy

      To Atlas Reborn; Since when does an all powefull being, God, needs puny humans to fight for Him?, unless he is not all that you make him to be. See, people that mix religion and politics contradict themselves big time, in the one hand He is great, and on the other he is not. My suggestion to you all is, first get to know the god you believe in, then do as He would have you do, and not what you think he wants you to do.

  • j.

    …and I wonder what created these “terrorist” who want to attack us and destabilize our economy and precious system of constitutional rights…did these people just wake up one morning and decide to do this to us??…did our foreign policy have anything to do with bringing about this current state of affairs???…are we the victims here…again?…and if we are victims – who made us victims???…did we victimize ourselves by allowing our government to create terrorist and then take our Constitutional rights to protect us from these terrorist?…or are the “terrorist” just evil people???…or are we just gullible/stupid??? or can humans govern humans??…

    • Denniso

      Good comment, but I’m afraid it’s too deep for most here…

  • Teri Cross

    Thank you, Bob for this update. Being bikers, we are well aware of the patriot act. We have not only had our phone tapped, but big bro has been bold enough to respond to my advice to the calling party to watch what they were running their mouth about. You know its dead & gone when they start talking to the people they’re tapping!!! So, now we gotta build or buy a lead room?! God help our country.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    a lead room would get them to a judge to who will grant them a seach warrent because they could not see into the room and they suspect weapons of mass destruction. remember the judges went to liberal schools and are liberals who want their way and will get it no matter what the constitution says.

  • Mike in Las Vegas

    Let’s back away from the hysteria. It is not a “right” to fly on an airplane. But if you wish to do so, then you agree to complying with the safety precautions. If you don’t want to submit to the scanner and you’re intractably attached to your hand sanitizer and bottled water, then don’t fly. Drive your car instead, and take days instead of hours to get to your destination. Your choice. Personally, I choose the inconvenience of security measures over the considerably more sever inconvenience of having my limbs and head blown off by a terrorist. Call me a liberty-hater if you wish, but it’s difficult to be a good American when your dead. I served 25 years in the military, so I understand “dying for your country.” However, to dying for my hand sanitizer, well, that’s just crazy.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    well does not look like anyone is interested in the take over of americans freedoms.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    mike in vegas lets see what is wrong with profiling at the airports and such because isreal profiles and has no problems, because they are looking for terrorists who predominatly are muslin radicals and arabs. but they also look at people who are doing things that terrorists do. how many eighty year old ladies have blown up an airliner. how many babies have blown up an airliner. their are many people who should be searched, but they want to be politicaly correct, and that will lead to disaster because we will end up with a stupid result. just think if you are really worried about terrorists why do you not have border control especially the southern border, but not excluding the northern border or the water border. but the politically correct say they only want an oppurtunity. that is why we have immigration laws allowing a certian number of people in here legally. but just think a dirty bomb can come across the southern border, or a hazardous chemical or poisin and disperse it in the us. just think what can happen being politically correct can do. stupid is stupid, and profiling is logical and effective for their purpose. when done for protection it is good. if you see a man comming to your door and has a gun, you profile that he is proboblly there to do something to you. so you do one of 2 things you get out your own gun and call the police, or you just call the police and try to hide untill the police get there. if you can not understand that you are worse than stupid you are a stupid idiot.

  • THomNJ

    So when the 2nd Amendment is also trashed, these vans can just cruise the neighborhood to see where we are hiding our guns, eh?

  • Doctor Love

    Well there is a simple solution to all the worlds problems, you see we can all participate by breaking down our walls and never wearing clothing, or at least completely see through clothing, this way, there can be no questioning reguarding whos doing what or where. I wonder though what will big grandpa do about the terrists that hide underground where the terror-be-gone machines can’t see.

  • atlas reborn

    the terrorists are already and so is the cia,nsa, and big brother in the underground bunkers. spying and plotting. our own government is now a terrorist to its people. you can not win they are all against us, we the people are the losers all the time thanks to liberals, leftists, marsists, islamists, and communists. you can!t win for losing.

    • truesoy

      AtlasReborn, please remeber that that you are complaining about came compliments of a republican administration and the few dissenting voices were from ‘the liberals’. Remember that in November.

  • atlas reborn

    good morning I love the smell of napom in the morning. i am getting ready for the begenning of the take back. are we ready???

    • Denniso

      Just showing your infantile side again? Why don’t you try thinking and debating for a change?

  • http://Google Uncle Joe;

    I am an 84 year old WWII & Korea Vet, This is not the Country I was born into, I have lived a lot of history in the past 84 years;
    I have seen a lot of free nations go from freedom into slavery by
    default, As the Communist took over so many countrys by
    {DEVIDE & CONQUER} There theam song is { DISTROY THE RITCH } and
    we will live happily ever after;
    Everybody ends up dirt poor except the despot rulers;
    It has always been that way and it will always be that way!

    Don’t listen to an OLD MAN WHAT THE HELL DO I KNOW ?
    For one thing I have learned sure as truth !
    { YOU CAN’T BORROW YOUR YOUR WAY OUT OF DEPT; }

    I tryed to teach all the kids in my family and ther friends !
    { IF YOU AIN’T GOT IT DON’T SPEND IT!
    IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN DON’T LEND IT }
    About junk ? Will you DIE IF YOU DON’T BUY ? Of cource not !
    ” If you can’t hold it it’s not yours !
    Ask any Country that the COMMUNIST STOLE !
    They MURDERED all of the land owners,
    Tryed to make farmers out of slum dwellers !
    All of them starved to death !
    Then they shot all of the complainers who’s kids were starving to
    death and called them trators !
    Don’t read world history just make the same mistakes and you may
    live it, Turn COMMUNIST and you will surely die for it !
    UNCLE JOE;

  • jopa

    JM; Even crazier than the patriot act was that color code, danger alert,the sky is falling scheme they would use to control the media.One specific moment I remember was on a Friday when the Justice dept announced no wrongdoing within the corporation that gave Bush senior $8 million (and stock)for playing a game of golf with the CEO.Then was told to cash in fast the company was going belly-up.Over the weekend the white said they could hear chatter and the color of the threat level was elevated.By Monday the Bush fraud was forgotten about.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      There was nothing quite like going over the Golden Gate Bridge every morning with a couple of Hummers parked on either end and servicemen with automatic rifles, Guarding.

  • http://YouTube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcut

    At Chris

    Chris, what do you mean the people in black head to toe dress looking like, and most likely are Muslims do not have to go through body scanners? If the people in charge, say they don’t have to be scaned then why should anybody be scanned.
    If I were there and saw that the …. whatever was afraid to ask any Muslims, anyone for that matter, to go thru the bodyscan process, I would raise hell right then and there and speak up and make such a ruckus and scene that they would feel it better to scan them just to have some peace and quiet in the …. whatever.
    Maybe I would even refuse to take a flight when I knew that several passengers who appear to be of Muslim decent were not scanned properly.
    Why do we have to cowtow to the hangups of a few and keep quiet? Maybe it is they who should give a little bit of themselves.

    I wonder if Allah would really be upset if one of his people’s beautiful outline of their perfect body were to be viewed by a Airport Security employee in the course of her or his workday?.

    Perhaps I’ll ask him someday.

  • http://n/a Karen

    To Wanda and the other American sheeple who believe their government is really looking out for them: trillions of taxpayer money for the banks, pensions and social security threatened by the same globalists,governments has killed more people in the last century than any other institution-being irradiated at the airports, fedral courts and even malls,implanted viruses in the vaccines, eugenics plan to get rid of 80% of the people on the planet Wanda, really I feel so safe now. Arre you too going to be ready for your anal search?

  • Carol

    Pretty soon we’ll ALL have little ID cards with all of our personal info in a micro-chip on the back. (Well, all except for illegals–they still won’t need IDs.) The technology has been used for a long time in the military. Then people will steal that and they’ll have to use implants like pets get–666?

    Yep, the gov’t is taking care of us. I feel secure, don’t you?

  • Brenda Manis

    There are always going to be terrorists no matter what any government can or cannot do. Americans wake up and smell the roses. You have so many days on this earth and what YOU make of them is up to you. However, Americans have got lazy and have allowed the government, the medical profession, the insurance companies, the banks and IRS and Federal Reserve control our lives. You can walk out your door this morning and someone can pull out a gun and shoot you. You have no protection or guarantees in this world. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF – DON’t DEPEND ON THE GOVERNMENT – We have allowed the GOVERNMENT TO TAX EVERYTHING WE DO IN THIS COUNTRY 3 and 4 times over – Federal taxes and state taxes on fuel as much as 50 to 60 cents a gallon in some states, the insurance companies think they have right to have your social security number on any form you fill out – why – authomobile insurance has to deal with driving a car – my credit report bears no information that would avail the insurance companies to assess my driving abilities – my MVR yes but not my credit report. Also, my medical files have no reason to bear my social security number. I don’t believe in seat belts, but I am force to wear one because the insurance company lobbyists forced a law on me that I did not want. Everyone gets upset when they see motorcylist without helments – FREEDOM TO CHOOSE HERE!!!!! – I grew up without helments, knee pads, etc. I am 60 and still going. Everyone talks about the fraud with medicare – excuse me – how many of your check your bills from your doctors and hospitals – how many of you have been in the hospital and gotten bills from doctors that you never even heard of – hello Americans wake up!!!! Banks are nothing but scammers. – Credit Card Companies interest rates to 30% and more – where is our government protection on this outrageous calamity – I think the Republicans loosen the controls on banking??? Lets get one thing straight I am listed as a Republican, but this party has embarrassed me for a number of years now by whoring itself to big corporate America instead of the people of this country. EXPLAIN to me why this President does not have to prove he is an AMERICAN BORD CITIZEN?????? Guess what mayhem you have to go through to get your licenses reissued or even issued now. We have to produce our BIRTH CERTIFICATES, and all kinds of identification – HOW ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!! I VOTE WITH THE TEA PARTIERS – LETS TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY NOW

  • http://personallibertydigest garrard

    “The 4th Amendment: May It Rest In Peace” — MY ASS !!! Come bust down my “castle” door and you will be met with deadly force, no matter who you are!!! I am fully capable of protecting myself and my family from ANYONE, especially government thugs. I don’t need nor want their government so-called “security.”

  • Joe

    How frustrating! I’ve witnessed the systematic decay of individual rights for many years.
    Oftentimes the attacks to liberty come stealthily and other times it’s outright blatant but most assuredly systematic.
    I’ve often said that “the people” who are intent on being “law abiding” citizens would stand in line to get a “license” or permission to do something they already have a right to do (i.e. go outside after dark). Haven’t we all seen the taking of liberties done in the name of safety, preservation or to raise revenue (i.e. wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle or drivers licenses in general, fishing licenses, passport fees, etc.).
    The “state” will always push the limits of their authority and power and use the unlimited purse of the taxpayers money to accomplish their aims. Should we really expect the courts to preserve our liberties when they are eating at the same trough as the prosecutor and the “state”. It should be no surprise that individuals are not inclined to put themselves in front of the juggernaut without “backup” or resources. Until the people at large decide to stand up for their rights, I don’t see anything getting better anytime soon, if ever. And when the time finally comes that “the people” do decide to push back, let’s hope that it’s not too late.

  • Mark

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
    US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 – 1790)

  • michael

    Celine’s 1st law:

    National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity. (ie I’m more scared of the government destroying my life than I am of a terrorist doing the same, meanwhile, out of control government spending and creeping infringements on civil rights serve to destroy national security (and character) in ways that no terrorist ever could)

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