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‘That Damn Record’

October 18, 2012 by  


 
Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. Did you see Tuesday’s second Presidential debate? It was like a heavyweight championship rematch. And Romney sealed the deal with another knockout performance. But this time it wasn’t Obama’s fault. He came ready to rumble. This time it was that damn record that got in Obama’s way. Remember the O.J. Simpson case? This time the glove fit. Let me explain.

No one has EVER been able to go into the ring with Obama — the heavyweight talker — and “take it to him.” Knock him out. Leave him reeling. Leave him shaking and breathless from body blows. Until Mitt Romney. Not just because Mitt is the smartest guy in the room — and he is. But because Obama has never in his career had to run on an actual record.

Obama has been allowed his entire career to lie with impunity. He is a lawyer. He is a great talker. He is a world-class debater. He can win an argument with anyone — with his fancy talk, propaganda and rhetoric. But things have changed. The difference is Obama now has a record he can’t escape from.

That damn record was Obama’s undoing on Tuesday night. You can’t talk your way out of a record. You can’t sweet talk America when the facts are staring every voter right in the face. This time Obama was prepared, alert, aggressive, in fine fighting form. He did everything right. He was ready for his big comeback. Yet he lost badly again. Because the facts ate him up. That damn record ruined everything.

One comment by Mitt was symbolic of the defeat Obama was about to experience. Mitt said, “You’re a good speaker, but you’ve got a record.”

Obama’s record is a millstone around his neck. In this heavyweight prizefight rematch, Romney hit him again and again — and hurt him badly — by simply pointing out his record. These weren’t slaps. These were gut shots. Shots to the body that leave a fighter in agony. There was no response to that record. Even the great socialist orator could not overcome that damn record. He was left motionless on the canvas, gasping for air.

The body blows kept coming fast and furious (excuse the pun) all night:

Energy. Obama seemed to lay claim to being “the energy President.” Obama said he loves coal, oil, gas, all forms of drilling. Really? Romney hurt him with repeated body blows — all based on his own record. He pointed out that Obama is trying to destroy the coal business. He’s cut drilling permits by over 50 percent. He killed the Keystone pipeline. Romney even asked a simple but devastating question, “If your energy policy is so great, why have gas prices doubled?” That damn record.

Libya. Obama said he called it a “terror attack” in the Rose Garden the very next day. Really? Romney turned into prosecutor and faced Obama. He nailed him in a complete fabrication. The next day? But didn’t Obama wait 14 days to call it a “terror attack?” Didn’t he in fact blame a YouTube video? Didn’t he allow Susan Rice, the U.N. Ambassador, to claim on Sunday talk shows five days later that it was “a spontaneous protest?” Obama was outsmarted by Mitt. Caught in a lie with the Nation watching, Obama looked shocked and disgusted. That damn record.

Women’s rights. Obama scored points with his single mom story. Then he hit Mitt with contraception and Planned Parenthood. In a Presidential debate four years ago, with no record to defend, Obama would have knocked Romney out with women. But not this time. Not with that damn record — the millstone around his neck. Romney pointed out the record. Women have lost 580,000 jobs under Obama. Three point five million more women are in poverty. Romney pointed out that a strong economic recovery is the best answer to how we help women. Create an economy that is growing and creating jobs and businesses will jump to hire women, and offer flexible schedules. Obama is offering you free contraception, but no job. That’s a really bad tradeoff. That damn record.

Guns. Obama was practically claiming to be “the pro gun President.” He said he’s a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. But that damn record got in the way again. At this moment, Obama became a joke. Romney didn’t need to say a thing. We were all laughing too hard at the lies this man tells. But just for good measure, Romney savaged him by bringing up the “Fast and Furious” gun scandal. He pointed out that it was the Obama administration that was selling guns and getting people killed. Oops. That damn record again.

The economy. Obama is good. If there was no record to defend, I have no doubt that 55 percent of American voters would choose his socialist pathway of big government, big taxes and big spending. But there’s that damn record to defend again. Romney took it to him. Twenty-three million unemployed. A drop in unemployment, only due to people losing hope and dropping out of the search for a job. Over 500,000 manufacturing jobs lost. A giant drop in income for middle class households. Anemic GDP growth. Worse growth this year than last year. You could see Obama thinking “That damn record is killing me.”

Debt. Obama beat Romney up pretty good over the debt that his lower taxes might cause. Until Romney brought up Obama’s actual record. Over $5 trillion in new debt. A promise to cut the deficit in half, yet instead Obama doubled it. Suddenly Obama looked small, powerless, weak. You can’t defend that damn record.

Obamacare. Romney took that myth out with one body blow. He pointed out that Obama promised healthcare costs would be down $2,500 per family during his first term, but costs are up $2,500 per family. That damn record.

Small business. Here Obama told the whopper of all time. He said he’s cut taxes 18 times for small business. Really. I own multiple small businesses. My taxes haven’t been cut one time, nor one penny under Obama. Obamacare will be a massive tax increase in January. Who is this man kidding? But Romney rushed to the center of the ring, and knocked him out with a right hook. He pointed out that regulation has tripled for businesses under Obama. The small business owners Romney speaks to say they feel under attack from their own government. Great line. Direct hit to the kidney. That damn record.

Obama is such a good lawyer, such a good talker, he could have gotten O.J. Simpson off. He’s that good. But the O.J. case was about circumstantial evidence. In Obama’s case, the facts are in. Even Obama the lawyer couldn’t get Obama off. The facts of Obama’s first term buried the President under a barrage of hooks and haymakers.

That damn record. To put it in lawyer’s parlance, this time the glove fit.

 

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    1: Energy: “He killed the Keystone pipeline”-Problem is FactCheck says “Actually, no final decision has been made, and the company says it expects to win approval and start construction early next year.” http://factcheck.org/2012/10/factchecking-the-hofstra-debate/
    Also “If your energy policy is so great, why have gas prices doubled?”-Problem is The Hew York times cited” Consider a recent poll of a panel of economists conducted by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, where I teach. (Disclosure: I am a member of the panel; the other respondents are well-respected economists from top universities with varying political views.) The 41 panel members were asked whether they agreed with the following statement: “Changes in U.S. gasoline prices over the past 10 years have predominantly been due to market factors rather than U.S. federal economic or energy policies. Not a single member of the panel disagreed with the statement.”- http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/business/gas-prices-are-out-of-any-presidents-
    control.html?_r=0

    In addition an NBC article points that ” while the notion that the government could somehow control gasoline prices is appealing, the reality is that the price you pay is set daily, sometimes hourly, by market forces around the world.

    That was the opinion of a group of economists polled by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business earlier this year. Asked if changes in U.S. gasoline prices over the past 10 years have predominantly been due to market factors rather than U.S. federal economic or energy policies, not a single respondent disagreed.

    Recent history seems to have borne out that view. Despite the recent Bush administration’s strong support for the oil and gas industry, pump prices rose from a low of about $1.20 a gallon in late 2001 to a peak of $4 a gallon before crashing below $2 shortly before he left office in 2009. Shortly after Obama took office, prices began a steady climb and kept rising but remain just shy of that 2009 peak.” -http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/17/14512956-gas-prices-theres-
    not-much-that-presidents-can-do-about-them?lite

    Obama cannot be blamed for things beyond his control. Obama can do things to help lower gas prices but the fact that they are so high is not because of his energy policy failing.

    2: Libya: “Obama said he called it a “terror attack” in the Rose Garden the very next day. Really? Romney turned into prosecutor and faced Obama. He nailed him in a complete fabrication. The next day? But didn’t Obama wait 14 days to call it a “terror attack?”-Obama did say it was an act of terror the day after. Politifact admits the confusion saying”Romney said it took the president 14 days before he called the Libya attack terror.

    In fact, Obama described it in those terms the day after the attack. But in the days that followed, neither he nor all the members of his administration spoke consistently on the subject. There were many suggestions that the attack was part of demonstrations over an American-made video that disparaged Islam.

    We rate the statement Half True.”-http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/17/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-waited-14-days-call-libya-attack/
    Obama did say it was an act of terror the day after. Unfortunately his staff and him have confused the matter by mentioning that video.

    3: Women’s Rights: “Obama is offering you free contraception, but no job. That’s a really bad tradeoff.”-Problem there is Obama offered far more then that. An example being the Lilly ledbetter fair pay act to help women achieve better more equal pay.

    4: Guns: First the International Business Times pointed out “Obama Record: Not Gun Rights Restricting

    But the president’s record offers scant evidence to support such ominous rhetoric. Obama has not moved to restrict gun rights, despite suggestions that he would tackle the issue after a shooting rampage in Tucson, Arizona during which former U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords, D-Ari., was shot in the head. Obama also signed a bill with an amendment permitting people to carry firearms in national parks.”-http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-gun-control-no-record-regarding-nra-romney-attacks-437246
    So Obama is not exactly Anti Gun. Does that make him Pro Gun. Not necessarily. However I would hardly laugh at him when he says he is a Pro Gun President.

    Second I actually agree about the Fast and Furious Program being a bad idea. I agree with you there Mr. Root.

    5: The Economy: On this I cannot deny our economic situation. All I can say is I would prefer the slow but steady growth and safety of a more social democratic economy to the kind of boom and bust economy of pure free enterprise supported by Romney.

    6: Debt: First “Over $5 trillion in new debt”- Politifact rated a statement by American Crossroads which said that “Obama’s spending drove us $5 trillion deeper in debt” as only half true saying “But not all of the $5 trillion can be attributed to Obama’s spending. Much of it can be attributed to his tax cuts and the policies of President Bush.”-http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/09/american-crossroads/ad-says-barack-obamas-spending-drove-us-5-trillion/

    So it is not just do to him and spending. Its also do to his attempt to lower taxes as well as the policies of George Bush his predecessor.

    Second “A promise to cut the deficit in half, yet instead Obama doubled it.” In the first debate Romney made the statement that “Unfortunately, he doubled it.” Politifact rated that as false saying ” Romney said that Obama has “doubled” the deficit. In reality, using the most appropriate comparison, he and Congress have actually decreased the deficit slightly. We rate Romney’s statement False.”-http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-has-doubled-deficit/

    This rating being supported by a CBO Report- http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9957/01-07-outlook.pdf

    7: ObamaCare: “but costs are up $2,500 per family”-Factcheck.org disagrees saying “Romney says health insurance premiums have gone up $2,500 under Obama. The actual increase has been $1,700, most of which was absorbed by employers and only a small part of which is attributable to the health care law.”-http://factcheck.org/2012/09/romneys-stump-speech/

    So not only is it not that high, it also cannot be blamed solely on Obama.

    8: Small Business: “Obamacare will be a massive tax increase in January”-I would direct you Mr. Root to http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/28/508062/fact-check-mandate-tax-hike/

    I would like Mr. Romney to specify the regulations that make small business owners feel threatened by the government. Perhaps I might agree some regulations need to go.

    President Obama has a record that includes mistakes like Fast and Furious and broken promises like closing Guantanamo. However his record is no where near as bad as Mr. Root makes it out to be. Obama needs to be judged on the record he has. With respect to Mr. Root I believe he is judging Obama on the record Mr. Root wishes he had.

    • Jeremy Leochner

      My apologies. My second citation should have been the New York Times, not “The Hew York times” which I have never heard of. Typo on my part.

      • old goat

        Lots more deceptive drivel from elitists. You know what a monopoly is, how it works, and more importantly, how it’s being applied to our beloved form of free government! First, we imported almost exactly 2/3 of our crude oil and 1/3 was produced here in 2011! LOOK IT UP! The US has a near endless supply of that natural resource, but our president has done everything he can to prevent drilling in our vast reserves. Those reserves are regulated out of business by our “corrupted” government – especially in the great white north.

        We have OPEC and the financial “US” globalist “management pyramids” that trade in commodities and vote mutual fund stocks, etc. A nation dependent on oil for just about everything we do will collapse if 2/3 of the crude disappears. It is so critical, that almost any bump in supply triggers huge increases in price. And so it is, the price is relatively the same across the globe, (especially in America) because monopolist hands set it! Thus we have $100/bbl oil ($90+) because the presidential puppet restricts our God given resources. As a result, citizens pay roughly $80 too much per barrel and all 2/3 of that huge annual volume @ $100 price leaves this country tax free, which also leaves this country jobless, debt ridden, and headed for disaster. The $80 of1/3 we produce also goes to the monopolists.

        So, if you’re really a professor, please profess something factual and useful to the citizens of our nation! If we enforced antitrust laws & treble damages, the debt would disappear and this nation could afford enough energy to make this nation prosper again. The Arab shrieks would be back riding camels instead of blowing up our embassies!

        Why not create a real revolution & start teaching the Constitution as written, free enterprise, investing in and growing our nation instead of looting and destroying it? Why not call a liar a liar and teach the virtues of truth and humility required to correct mistakes instead of deception and hate?

    • DaveH

      Jeremy (aka Flashman the Administration Shill) says — “I would like Mr. Romney to specify the regulations that make small business owners feel threatened by the government”.
      Those interested can just go here:
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/93023823/Wayne-Crews-10-000-Commandments-2012

      • DaveH

        Suggested reading for those who believe that regulations are about saving us from Big Business:
        http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

      • Flashy

        DaveH…i’ll let Jeremy answer on his own, but my comment is…you didn’t read the article did you? LOL … do you ever read some of the stuff you post links to ? Almost inevitably, the title is catchy, and the article itself is so far off what you proffer it as…it’s laughable.

        Now…care to answer Jeremy’s question? Oh wait a sec…you can’t. because you haven’t a frippin’ clue….

      • DaveH

        You mean answer your question (Flashman aka Jeremy)?
        For those who don’t know that Flashman, the Administration Shill, is just one of many personalities exhibited by the same demented Liberal Progressive person, see here:
        http://personalliberty.com/2011/05/16/what-now/#comment-341969

      • eddie47d

        Body blows to Obama? He must have watched one of those edited videos that we find on Republican sites. Romney was clobbered or at least he took the most punches which doesn’t “make him the smartest man in the room” . Another fantasy story??

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Dave here is my issue. I associate regulations with safety rules, pollution prevention and providing benefits to workers. Such things are costly but I feel that the safety of workers and consumers, the protection of the environment and workers benefits are important issues. I feel it is a worth while investment. At the same time I see government regulation as being like a police force or watch dog against white collar crimes. In the case of the wall street mortgage crisis there were no serious regulations on the table. The wall street men tanked our economy because what they were doing was not illegal. So for me it appears that our economic recession was due to lake of government regulation, not too much. Like any watch dog regulation can be over zealous and abusive. But the idea behind doing it and the act of doing it is not wrong. I want Mr. Romney to specify. He always speaks in generalizing terrms about closing government offices, laying off government employees and cutting all the regulations he says are so excessive. His enemy appears to be regulation itself. I believe overzealous and abusive regulation is what his enemy should be.

      • DaveH

        Jeremy likes to deny that he is just a personality of Flashman, but here I caught him cold:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/10/15/phony-numbers-phony-recovery-phony-president/#comment-732147
        So, I’m talking about Flashman hitting the McDonald’s hot spots and Jeremy answers “Actually Dave I much prefer In N Out”. Then, in typical chronic liar fashion, he makes some lame excuse for answering my comment.
        Have you ever known a chronic liar who admits his lies?

      • DaveH

        What kind of sickness would lead a person to assume multiple personalities on a board?
        I mean besides the fact that he is a Progressive.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Dave I admit I was stupid to answer that comment. From now on lets stick to facts. I am Jeremy Leochner. I have no other personalities. I never have. As I respect you I ask you to respect me.

      • Karolyn

        Dave’s fixation on Jeremy being Flash is really getting boring, isn’t it? Like a dog with a bone.

        • Nick Czudy

          Karolyn. I second your motion for Dave to stop his name calling. All in agreement say Aye? DaveH Your name goes into the looney bin, Now no one has to listen to your ranting.

      • DaveH

        It’s not a fixation, Karolyn. It’s fact. You may not be bright enough to catch on, but other people are.

      • Karolyn

        Dave – I told you once before that Jeremy Loechner is a real person; of that I have no doubt.

      • Karolyn

        Also, Dave, one would have to be a professional fiction writer to be able to write in two such diametrically opposite styles at the same time.

      • http://yahoo gator

        jeremy, while not correct on many of his statements is far more intelligent than flasshman; except of course when he blames bush, cause we ALL know this mess we’re in is bush’s fault; don’t we?

    • http://google redbull

      Jeremy, you must a a democrat fact checker, the pipeline was stopped with Onumnutts saying there is envioro dangers, it has been check out by the envior nut jobs who beleive electric matck boxes are the perfect vehicle to drive around in. But these peices of scuicide match boxes don’t work to well in cold climates and still need to be plugged in. Another green energy taxpayer waster just went bust, The pipeline has been studied at least 8 times by the worthless paper pounding EPA. Onumnutts said he want electricity rate to double and gas to go to $6 a gallon. The jobs created by oil pipeline was going to start out at $28 @ hr, that was 3 years ago. The need right now is for rig hands, equipt operators starting at $32 @ hrs with 10 hr days and benefits, beat the hell out flipp fish patties. Degreed theorizing morons need not apply, since actual work hurts their baby soft hands and requires real worker, not government leeches. A drop out that is 20 can make $75,000 a year working 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Green energy always has been a money wasting scheme dreamed up by crooks.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Redbull I am an independent. I want to base my vote on facts. Obama did not kill the keystone pipeline. Both Mr. Root and Mr. Romney said he did. I see that as disingenuous and misleading. As for green energy the idea is to get us off oil and fossil fuels which are a finite resource. Its not a hippie tree hugging big government scheme. Its an issue of reality and practicality. Fossil Fuels will eventually run out. We need to start developing alternative fuel sources sooner rather than later.

      • Karolyn

        You people who are all for the pipeline and also stand up for individual rights need to read about this great grandmother who “trespassed” on her own property to try and stop the pipeline in Texas. So I guess when it suits your agenda, eminent domain is OK, right?

      • Karolyn
    • Dad

      The pipeline went ahead after this administration initially stopped it… You’re entire propaganda blog is so wrong that it doesn’t merit any time. You obviously do not own a small business… hourly is my guess… a taker in society.
      “I did not have sex with that woman.” Slick Willie Clinton

      • Linda

        Clinton was a democrat, you make no sense.

      • OneGuess

        I believe he was replying to “Jeremy” (aka Flushman).

      • eddie47d

        Jeremy and Flashman are not the same persons so why play up that non issue? I Guess you don’t think much!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        How is factchecking a propaganda blog. Also I am not a business owner. I am a college student who works for a living.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        OneGuess: My real name is Jeremy Leochner. I have never been flashman or anyone else. I believe enough in my argument to be honest about who I am and not use fake names.

    • Ted G

      Specifically on the Libya question, you can parse it everywhich way to sunday, but he did not label the attack as a Terrorist attack. He was speaking generally about how “No acts of terror” etc. You know the english language as well as I and you are being dishonest.

      To continue to represent that statement as unequivical is a purposeful lie. Especially given the follow up narrative put out by this administration for almost two weeks afterwards.

      Obama used this specific language as he always does so that he can claim plausible deniability no matter which way the truth actually goes. The attempt was obvious and also deceptive as Obama always is.

      • Smilee

        “NO” means all therefore it would include Libya, it is you whom is misquoting.

      • eddie47d

        He sure did so please watch the Rose Garden video.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        One thing I would point out is during the Presidents speech in the rose garden he made mention of 9/11 attacks and he specifically used the word attacks. He also used the word attacks in describing what happened in benghazi. He equated the two without specifically stating it. For me it seems more important to catch the people responsible rather then focus on specific wording. It sort of seems like the President said our ambassador was killed and people are criticizing him for not saying our ambassador was murdered. Its the same difference. What matters is how the president acts to catch those responsible.

      • momo

        Jeremy Leochner says: “One thing I would point out is during the Presidents speech in the rose garden he made mention of 9/11 attacks and he specifically used the word attacks. He also used the word attacks in describing what happened in benghazi. He equated the two without specifically stating it.”

        Then why did Obama’s UN ambassador go on all the Sunday talk shows saying it was a spontaneous reaction to a video? Why did Obama refer to the video six times during his speech at the UN? Something doesn’t add up and Obama thinks he’s slick enought to get away with it.

        • Nick Czudy

          Momo.
          There were attacks and demonstrations happening at many US embassies on that day. A few days after 9?11, that seemed to be a valid reason. The Benghazi attack proved to be something else. But it is not out of the questions, that at that time, it seemed to be a plausible cause, since that was the cause at the other embassies.. I watched it daily on the various new sources and it was evolving every day.

      • Ted G

        Come on guys, his comment was tenuous at best, even Jeremey implied it as so.
        If you put 100 english teachers in a room and had this discussion, I wonder which way the vote would go.

        Either way I contend that it was not unequivical as I previously stated and though I can admit that the reference had an ambiguous connection, it still came across as squishy.

        But what I seem to be hearing is that you all are treating this as an absolute positive that was unequivical. Now how can you really say that considering the narrative for over two weeks afterwards. It doesn’t make sense.

    • Nick Czudy

      Jeremy. well spoken. You rebuked this rant most admirably. Thanks!
      Most of Allyn’s presentation was pure Right Wing hooey. There was little truth in the way it was described. He is obviously playing to his base. They will eat it up, as they are generally very gullible and will believe everything that is told to them. For example,” the dinosaurs were on the earth 10,000 years ago”.

      It was funny to see how Mitt got caught in lies right on camera. His usual routine is to lie and then his administration will retract what he said the next day. The GOP have been really pushing the “Obama’s Failed Policies” angle. Unfortunately it hasn’t stuck. It is actually not that bad, considering where he started. Most economists stated that it would take a decade to get back to the conditions before the recession. The economy is getting better every day. Just because the GOP say the policies have failed does not make it so. Mitt and the 1% gave made record profits and the stock market is on an all time high.
      Mitt really put his foot in his mouth many times. He sure is bossy! Yet the Tea Party and the policy moguls of the GOP sure have him by the balls.
      Allyn, you get rated a 5 out of 100 for this rant.

      • Ted G

        So Nick, I take it you don’t believe in our Constitution? Because that is the primary purpose of the Tea Party. Demanding adherance to the US Constitution. I am interested in your answer.

        I am always baffled how most (I guess I have to use the term liberals here) liberals denigrate the Tea Party without any real reason other than their agenda seems to disrupt the tilt towards socialism.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What a choice propaganda piece straight out of Dems/Progs/Leftist Playbook, your daddy-o Alinsky would be so proud of you to be so brave to post on this forum.

        • Jeff

          What, exactly, do you dislike about Alinsky? What, exactly, do you know about Alinsky? Clue: he was different from Trotsky!

      • Smilee

        Ted G says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:28 am

        Your not responding to his post. The Tea Party would have us believe the Constitution is something it is not and that is what they want to adhere to. Nt the constitution. Example Obama care was decided constitutional which they claimeed it was not and many other examples could be quoted.

      • Smilee

        Jeremy and Nick,

        Sure is nice for a change on this site to see two whom site the real facts and care about the truth. Thanks

      • momo

        Smilee says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:58 am
        Ted G says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:28 am

        Your not responding to his post. The Tea Party would have us believe the Constitution is something it is not and that is what they want to adhere to. Nt the constitution. Example Obama care was decided constitutional which they claimeed it was not and many other examples could be quoted.

        Yes, Obamacare was declared constitutional under the government’s taxing power, in other words its a tax. Something the current administration denied.

      • Doug Rodrigues

        Nick, what Romney and Obama both had to say have been fact checked.. Obama comes out loser in the debate. Now go drink your Kool Aid.

        • Deerinwater

          ? “Nick, what Romney and Obama both had to say have been fact checked.. Obama comes out loser in the debate. Now go drink your Kool Aid.” or you go drink yours .

          Romney’s claim that Obama would raise taxes on the middle class by $4,000 has earned him three Pinocchio’s in the past.

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/fact-check-romney-misleads-on-middle-class-taxes/

          Mitt Romney is attempting to redefine the middle class ~ and guess who’s not invited? ~ Most Americans.

        • Nick Czudy

          Hi Doug. What is the intent of you saying to “Go and drink your cool-aid” Is this supposed to be a pejorative dis? Your name can go into the looney bin as well.

          I know that it is difficult to rate a debate precisely. It is like a boxing match, that different judges will read it differently. The GOP see Mitt as the winner, because their dictionary is different then the Dem’s dictionary. I think that all of the different polls and pundits came out that Obama came out ahead in this debate. I’ll bite it was not a rout. Mitt blew Obama away in the first one, big time. Haha I think that Obama was shell shocked with the new improved Moderate Mitt. He didn’t know how to deal with it. He was all prepped for the extremely conservative Mitt.
          But more of the fact checkers had Mitt with the longest nose.

      • Ted G

        Smilee says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:58 am

        Smilee, there wasn’t anything in his post to respond to, it was all just the typical rhetoric, and his opinion which he is entitled to.
        I responded to the thing that jumped out for me and that is this automatic demonization of the tea party, I simply find it rather unseemly to continue with a baseless attack against a large group of American citizens that are very concerned about the direction of this country.

        And I do think there should be a discussion about the role of the federal government and the Constitution. Article I section 8 to be precise. Enumerated powers etc.
        You can’t seriously think we can continue with 1.1 trillion dollar anual deficits do you?
        And the 1% crap is not only getting tired it won’t even come close to answering the problem. Hey you can be a socialist if you want it is a free country, you just can’t do it with my tax dollars. There has to be limits and I always thought the Constitution defines them pretty well.

        • Nick Czudy

          Ted. I appreciate your defense of the Tea Party. They seem to think that only they are true patriots and the rest of America is not. I blame them for much of the stalemate in Congress and the derailing of any progress there. I blame them for threatening to not increase the debt limit and threatening the US to default on their payments. This in turn caused the US to have its credit rating lowered. I think about the how these extreme members of congress have pulled the usually conservative thinking members to the far right. I blame them for thinking that extreme measures to get the deficit reduced would cause another recession in the USA. It is heading in the right direction and all economists agree that our huge deficit cannot be cured in one year. It needs a slow and deliberate process.
          I also do not like how they have brought Abortion back, front and center into this election, that will also be the undoing of the GOP in this election.
          I resent how great GOP congressmen have been replaced with some nut jobs like in Indiana, Massachusetts and Missouri that will cost the GOP this election. It is good to have some detention and a different viewpoint, but they have gone too far to the right and too extreme. Last, their unwillingness to make any compromise has hurt our recovery and this has hurt the USA. It is responsible to slowing the recovery and prolonging the hurt that is everywhere. Any American that is willing to sabotage our recovery is not a Patriot, they are traitors. So I do not want to ever hear them calling themselves Patriots again. They are the farthest thing from being “Patriots”.

      • Smilee

        momo says:
        October 18, 2012 at 3:53 pm

        Smilee says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:58 am
        Ted G says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:28 am

        Your not responding to his post. The Tea Party would have us believe the Constitution is something it is not and that is what they want to adhere to. Nt the constitution. Example Obama care was decided constitutional which they claimeed it was not and many other examples could be quoted.

        YOUR RESPONSE:

        Yes, Obamacare was declared constitutional under the government’s taxing power, in other words its a tax. Something the current administration denied
        .
        MY RESPONSE:

        You are wrong, in oral arguments before the supreme court in this case the solicitor general for Obama administration argued that it was a tax under the taxing power, they also argued they could impose the mandate under the commerce clause, the court said no to the commerce but yes to the taxing authority, Roberts wrote the majority opinion and he was real specific on this. Have you read the opinion????

      • Smilee

        Ted G says:
        October 23, 2012 at 9:02 am

        That is a complete cop out!

      • Ted G

        Smilee, Oh? Which part?

        I mention the US Constitution and you attempt to dismiss me. Talk about a cop out!

    • http://google rose

      Better read the transcripts of what Obama said in the rose garden the day after the attack in Libya. He did not call it a terrorist attack. He called it a terror attack. What is the difference? The difference is that is the news media was lead to believe that the attack was caused by the video. That is what the Obama administration wanted everybody to believe. He allowed Ms. Rice to look the fool, by letting her state that it was caused by the video? Does he hate women that much? And letting Hillary take the blame for the whole situation? What hate he must have for women. Either he is oblivious to what is going on in US foreign affairs or he is a liar who got caught in a lie. It is obvious that it was politically motivated.

      • Smilee

        rose says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:42 am

        “Terror attack” vs “ Terrorist attack” the difference is splitting hairs as both mean the same, this is what he said not anyone’s interpretation of it, your spinning does not change that.

      • Patriot1776

        “Smilee” you can call it splitting hairs if you wish, that is how obama uses the english language. The facts are that obama continued to blame the attacks on the video for two weeks after even his own staff stated that it was “obviously a planned attack”. In his speech to the UN he repeatedly placed the blame on the video.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I will focus on your statement Rose: “He did not call it a terrorist attack. He called it a terror attack.”. I saw a clip of the Presidents speech. He mentioned the 9/11 attacks and he used the word attack, not terrorist attack. And immediately after he used the phrase of acts of terror to describe both 9/11 and the attacks in benghazi. He was equating what happened on 9/11 with what happened in benghazi. To me that seems like enough.

      • http://google rose

        Ok Jeremy if he was equating Benghazi to 9/11, why did he allow Ms. Rice to tell the media that it was because of the video? Why did he let her say this if he knew it was a terrorist attack. Why did he and his flunkies not let her Know? His whole administration was saying it was because of the video. If he knew it was a terroist attack, why did he let the media continue to spread the lie? Because it was politically motivated.

    • JeffH

      Jeremy, first I’d like you to understand that Ambassador Chris Stevens died in a terrorist attack. This was a terorrist attack that took 14 days for Obama to openly acknowledge. Obama and his administration made every attempt to portray this terrorist attack as a violent response to a stupid video .

      Here is what Obama actually said in his Rose Garden press conference the day after the attack: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”

      Note that nowhere did Obama call the attack a terrorist attack…he a lawyer and a politician and leaves it to open to interpretation…in fact Obama made sure he was non-commital with his comments other than” we will hunt them down”.

      “Obama has never in his career had to run on an actual record.” I’ll add that he has never been confronted and called out on his failures by the “o-press and media”. He doesn’t like it, he side steps and doubletalks around it and Mitt will continue to expose the “Chicago community organizers” weaknesses.

      Oh, Obama’s war on women accusations on Romney are backfiring too. Face the fact tha Obama’s policies are a failure and he cannot defend them. His whole campaign is nothing more than talking points, lies and half truths…he cannot defend failure with “I need four more years to fix America”.

      • JeffH
        • Jeff

          Surely even you can’t believe anything on a site that uses the Breitbart name.

      • Smilee

        “No acts of terror” No means all so that would include this act of terror also, you keep inserting words between the lines that he did not say, it is called spin, Mr. Spinner

      • JeffH

        Well looky here, it’s Smilee…err excuse me, Attorney at Law Smilee. You can twist it whatever way you like Smilee, but what I said is a fact, not made up and not home spun.

        In your circle, “it depends on what the meaning of is is”.

      • Johnny

        jeff, really, you want us to read breitbart.com for your proof…..might as well quote from redstate.com or gop.com why dont you find a non partisan site to back up what you say…..i wouldnt believe anything I would read on breitbart.com

      • eddie47d

        Breitbart,Trump and Corsi were rabid Birthers. The movie 2016 dispels that continued myth. I would encourage even Liberals to see that movie and the hypocrisies in the Republican Party and their hatchet men. They have Democrats hatchet men beat by a mile!

      • Observer

        This is in response to Smilee (the brain washed). If he, 13 days AFTER his Rose Garden speech, openly calls this a reaction to a video and provides that as the ONLY answer to what happened in Libya (on September 25th in front of UN- 6 TIMES, did not mention terror or terrorists but just a spontaneous reaction to a video)… does that mean anything to you? Does it mean anything that 4 Americans were KILLED and the main culprit is covering his wrong doing with lies? Nixon was impeached for covering up, but no lives were lost. Does it bother you that those people served you and were left high and dry in harms way? And even after they lost their lives, serving our country, in his mind they don’t deserve the truth to be told. Becuse winning to him means more than human lives! Keep in mind when you blabber that those families lost (unnecessarily) their loved ones. But New York Times is finding everything more important to write about. No front page news about his lies. What happened to journalists who would have left no stone unturned to find out the truth? Why are media so against the truth? Becuse in every dictatorship, media are there to support the dictator and they don’t care about the facts. When the facts are hitting the hard core liberals over the head, they chose not to see them: 16 trillion debt, 23 million unemployed – not including those who stopped looking for a job, 47 million on food stamps, government aka leeches at out throat with spending and stealing from us every which way, universal health care that is going to cost us $2500 more a year, covering 300M of people by the same number of doctors that could not cover 200M… Especially that no doctor was ever asked whether he/she is willing to work for free. Children graduating from colleges that cost 60K a year and sitting home jobless. And all he can think about is to give amnesty to illegals.. to get hispanic vote. Obviously what he is doing has not helped us, but harmed us, our children, grandchildren and generations to come big time.
        Do you get it at all?

        • Nick Czudy

          Observer. Everyone is forgetting the fact that when the attack took place in Benghazi, there were 4 protests at American embassies around the mid-east. there they were because of that silly video. On the first reports, there was an assumption that the Benghazi one was also the same cause. Mitt the Twit was looking desperately for some cause, that he could gain some political capital. So he immediately jumped on it. What he and the rest of America needed to do was to just let the investigations come up with the facts. But that was too slow for Mitt to gain any political capital. So there was a daily demand for an answer, when the facts were not there. The conclusion is out. the GOP should let it go, as there is nothing there for them. It is a dead horse and the GOP have nothing to gain to keep flogging it. They need to concentrate on what Mitt will so for America, in stead of “Trust me., vote me in and then I will tell you what I will do after the election” He has lied so many times and changed his position that most Americans know, that we cannot believe what he is saying, on a day to day basis. What Moderate Mitt is saying now, cannot be depended on when the Tea Party controlled congress enacts a new law. He will rubber stamp it.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Jeff he used the word attack. Its like the president said our ambassadors were killed and now people are criticizing him for not saying they were murdered. He said what needed to be said at the time. What matters to me is what he did in response to this attack that he did not specify was a terrorist attack. Its more important to respond to an terrorist attack then to label it a terrorist attack. I will not deny the administration dropped the ball in the days after ward. However I feel the President did not respond to the attack in the manner Mr. Romney said he did.

      • JeffH

        Jeremy and the rest of you naysayers…you much prefer political doublespeak and vagueness vs directness.

        As for Breitbart.com…the truth hurts sometimes and it isn’t alway pretty but it’s still the truth and the truth cannot be changed.

      • JeffH

        eddie, glad you believe “2016″ was favorable to Obama…keep spreading the good word.

        com·pre·hend [ kòmprə hénd ]
        1.understand: to grasp the meaning or nature of something

        FYI, whether he was or was not born in Hawaii is a moot arguement, Obama is still not, nor has he ever been, a “natural born citizen”. That’s not a birther issue, it just a fact.

        Our politicians, that’s yours and mine, have denegrated and trampled on the Constitution repeatedly and that is where my concerns lie.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Jeff: The President called it an act of terror. This is not an issue of political double speak. He called it what it is. What matters are his actions. If we are being attacked which is more important:For the President to call it a terrorist attack or for him to respond to the attack. He made missteps in the days afterward but on the day after the attack he called it an attack. I believe that that is good enough.

      • JeffH

        Jeremy, not even close. In his 9/12/2012 Rose Garden speach he specifically said “No acts of terror”, not this terrorist attack, not this act was a terrorist attack, and not “the US ambassador was killed by an act of terror or a terrorist attack. Obama was intentionally vague, that’s how he operates, that’s what he does. Obama is seldom specific and when he is he generally, much like Biden, sticks his foot in his mouth. Almost every politician is non-specific for a reason…it gives them room to twist and turn when the heat is turned up.

      • DaveH

        Note, folks, that the Liberal Progressives (Jeff, Johnny, Eddie) chosen form of debate is ad hominem attacks on Breitbart.com. It’s the time honored approach that the average Liberal Progressive must resort to since they have very few logical arguments to make.

        • Jeff

          Saying that a site using Breitbart’s name is likely lying is not an ad hominem attack; it is a fact. [comment has been edited]

      • eddie47d

        Jeff H and Dave H should go out on a Vaudeville tour with their fine illusions!

      • DaveH

        Oh? So you can provide us proof of that, Jeff?
        Until you do, I will just assume that you are a lying [expletive deleted].

      • DaveH

        The deleted expletive was just a quoted word from Jeff’s comment.

      • Smilee

        Observer says:
        October 18, 2012 at 1:21 pm

        Why so bent out of shape???? Four deaths are really terrible but they pale in comparison to 4000 deaths in Iraq in a war we should never have started (That says nothing about the suffering of the wounded and the huge expense) and the marine barracks bombing in the Reagan years that killed I think it was 267 and there are others including the twin towers and Bush even had warning something terrible was coming and ignored it. No one jumped on Reagan within two hours or Bush on 9-11 as Romney did on Obama and most supported Bush in his determination to attack Iraq. This was also based on bad intelligence and based planning but the consequence were a 1000 times worse than this. Romney’s shoots first and ask questions later, this not the american way, we have always supported our President whom ever it was until the facts where know. That should be of real concern as he wants to be commander and chief, scary right!! PUT IN THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE!!!!!!

        • Jeff

          Absolutely. When the Republicans are in office, they act like any opposition from the Democrats is tantamount to treason while they actually commit treason daily in the name of “patriotism” when a Democrat (particularly Obama) is in office. Republicans think nothing of giving up the identities of CIA and other top secret personnel so long as they think it gives Republicans a political advantage/

          • Deerinwater

            Exactly Jeff! ~ that quite a record any patriot AMERICAN should be ashamed of. The GOP sold their soul to the devil back then and I’ve yet to hear anyone inside the GOP party willing to acknowledge what elected GOP statesmen have done. Scooter took the wrap and went to jail while Chaney was mad at Bush for refusing to pardon him. ~ Probably the only right thing 43 did in 8 years.

            I would not trust the GOP party with a stick of gum. The GOP has a lot of fence mending to do ~ and they show no interest in it at all.

            This site is beginning to lose my interest ~ we use to have some stimulating meaningful debates ~ the new blood introduced of late has the banter dumbed down so, the banter suffers.

            The current most active posters are back to name calling and attacking the messenger again and not addressing the thread topic.

            The GOP finds itself today not having a “RECORD” worth even trying to defend have made a conscience effort to avoid even bring their record up .

            The same people that brought us George W Bush now trots out Willard with suitcase full of fabricated lies, have truths and talking points.

            I was talking to a friend today, ~ 63 years old, retired, ~ we were helping a mutual friend with a yard sale. ~ He made a 190,000 last year in market investments ~ and the Tax paid on this amount of capital gains? $300.00 dollars. ~ Even he said ~ that just not right ~ that things are really screws up. He says, what is he suppose to do? ~ give it back?

            Mitt Romney thinks there should be no tax on capital gains what so ever. ~ So who is going to help pay to run our government?

            Hard working people that don’t have the money and never will have the money to invest in speculation and play the markets, ~ that is who. The working generation that follows us.

            This current taxing structure can not be sustained without a welfare system to back it up or there will indeed be a revolution. A revolution comprised of empty bellies and bad attitudes, ~ it’s just a matter of time.

            If the GOP don’t want a welfare state and don’t want to offer the American people an equable taxing structure ~ there will be civil unrest that will ultimately lead to a civil war. There will be a storming of the castle gates and anything viewed a the establishment. ~ This will require all Americans to choose sides and it won’t be pretty.

            All these people living in their ivory towers today will be carried out and disposed of. A grisly thing to ponder. ~ I do not encourage or support such behavior ~ but they will not be asking you or I what they should do.

            Vote Mitt Romney and see how much closer we will be to such a day.

          • Jeff

            It is truly frightening that even with the demographic advantages the Democrats have and how ridiculous the Republican positions are, the election is so close. I think Obama will win because it looks like either Ohio or Virginia will put him over the top, but Romney is an absolute fraud. His economic plans look like they were drafted by his personal CPA. Have we ever had a candidate so nakedly pursue his own economic interests? I think not as all wealthy candidates in modern times (except McCain) have favored higher marginal tax rates and government action. It’s true that JFK lowered taxes, but they were at 91%!

            I think we’ve discovered why Romney won’t release more tax returns. It has to do with his hidden profits from the Delphi Auto Parts deal. Read this by Greg Palast. I have read a couple of his books and seen him speak at a Unitarian Church and he is great. He started as a financial investigator so he knows what he’s talking about. He’s an American but works as an investigative reporter for The Guardian.

            http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/18/greg_palast_mitt_romneys_bailout_bonanza

        • Toy
    • DaveH

      Jeremy (aka Flashman) thinks that his New York Times article somehow absolves the Government from complicity in the price of gasoline and proves that the prices are due to market factors. Lousy link job by the way, Jeremy (aka Flashman).
      But the truth is that over the last ten years the Federal Reserve has increased the true money supply by well over double. So of course oil prices are going to double or more with double or more of the amount of dollars chasing the same supply of oil:
      http://mises.org/content/nofed/chart.aspx?series=TMS

      The oil producers are smart enough to know that more fiat dollars means they are worth less, so prices go up.
      But the biased NY Times article made no mention of such. And the author thinks he’s an economist?

      • DaveH
      • Jeremy Leochner

        The US Energy Information Administration stated that the principle factors affecting gas prices are”
        The cost of crude oil
        Refining costs and profits
        Distribution and marketing costs and profits
        Taxes”-http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=gasoline_factors_affecting_prices

        Whats interesting is that they showed a graph which said that as of 2011 68% of what we pay at the pump is related to the cost of crude oil. And on that they stated “The cost of crude oil as a share of the retail gasoline price varies over time and among regions of the country. Crude oil prices are determined by both supply and demand factors. On the
        demand side of the equation, world economic growth is the biggest factor. One of the major factors on the supply side is the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), which can sometimes exert significant influence on prices by setting an upper production limit on its members, which produced about 43% of the world’s crude oil in 2011. OPEC countries have essentially all of the world’s spare oil production capacity, and possess about two-thirds of the world’s estimated crude oil reserves. Oil prices have often spiked in response to disruptions in the international and domestic supply of crude oil.”.-http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=gasoline_factors_affecting_prices

        So 68 percent of what we pay at the pumps is do to something the president has no control of. And on the subject of taxes which is 11% as of 2011 as opposed to 21% from 2000 to 2011 they pointed out “Federal, state, and local government taxes are the next largest part of the retail price of gasoline. Federal excise taxes are currently 18.4¢ per gallon. As of July 1, 2011, state excise taxes averaged 22.7¢ per gallon, and 12 states
        levied additional state sales and other taxes on gasoline. Additional county and city taxes can have a significant impact on the price of gasoline in some locations.”http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=gasoline_factors_affecting_prices”

        So the area the President has the most direct control of is smaller than it once was and the state contribution to the tax is on average 4.3 cents higher then the federal contribution. And that is not including the county and city taxes which the President cannot be blamed for.

        The President can certainly act to help the economy and lower gas prices. However I would say the vast majority of what can cause gas prices to rise are due to things he has no control over. And this is from people with expertise in Energy Information.

    • ChuckS

      1) Obama did at least delay the pipeline, maybe so that his friend Warren Buffet’s railroad can continue to make big money transporting oil.

      The president can interfere with production and therefore raise prices. Or reduce government interference and allow more production and likely lower prices. Oil is a worldwide market and events elsewhere in the world can have a big effect, but the more US production the government allows, the lower the price. If Iran blocks the straights of Hormuz, more US production could mean prices of $8/gal instead of $10.

      In July 2008, oil prices started a huge drop when Bush ended the executive dept ban on offshore drilling. Bush tried several times to open drilling in ANWR Alaska, but congress blocked him each time. We’d be getting an extra 1 or 1.5 million barrels/day if that had been app[oved, which would have kept prices somewhat lower all along.

      5) You said “I would prefer the slow but steady growth and safety of a more social democratic economy . . .” – does that mean you have socialistic leanings?

      6) You may have been misled by a bad analysis that Obama reduced deficits. It assumed that 2009 spending and deficit was Bush’s. However, Bush submitted a short-term budget that year so Obama could do his thing earlier. Also, Bush didn’t spend all of TRAP, but Obama spent the rest of it. Also, Obama passed the stimulus act. So the huge deficit increase that year was Obama’s. The last year with repubs in congress, 2006, the deficit was only $248 billion.

    • Karolyn

      They never stopped working on the pipeline. Here’ s a story about an old lady being arrestef for trying to stop the bulldozers on her own land. Can you say “eminent domain?” I will reiterate what I posted below. For conservatives in favor of the pipeline: How about if it were your land?
      http://www.salon.com/2012/10/08/texas_great_grandmother_arrested_for_trespassing_own_property//

      • DaveH

        What does that have to do with ordinary business, Karolyn? Imminent Domain is wrong, but you can thank the Big Government that you support for that.

      • DaveH

        And maybe you could enlighten us. If you think taking other peoples’ real property is bad, why don’t you think helping yourself to other peoples’ money is bad?

      • Karolyn

        Well, Dave, aren’t conservatives for the pipeline? Do you get it?

      • DaveH

        If you think taking other peoples’ real property is bad, Karolyn, why don’t you have that same sympathy for taking other peoples’ money?

      • DaveH

        True Conservatives would not be for Imminent Domain abuse. Personally, I think that Government should not be able to use Imminent Domain to secure land for private companies at all, and even for public use they should have to pay 1 and 1/2 times the market value of that property so that the dislocated owners would have plenty to buy new property with.

        • Jeff

          Hey, Creepy Bastard. If you’re going to assume a superior pose because you have some Austrian to cite for everything, you could at least get the terminology right. It’s “eminent” domain, not “imminent.”

    • http://crybabies agaist evil doers

      Guatanamo has not closed is because the republican congerss refused to fund relocating of prisoners. Fast and Furious started under Idiot bush . PRESIDENT OBAMA closed it down. some of bush friend are going to jail for fast and furious.

    • Eddie G.

      Boy, you must’ve had a gallon jug of Kool-Aid sitting by your chair to drink. You’re obviously a product of the U.S. Department of Education when and if you graduated from school. You have no concept of what socialism really is but go ahead a vote for your poster boy then find out what it’s like to have it [comment edited].

    • Matrix

      Jeremy

      “Consider a recent poll of a panel of economists conducted by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, where I teach”.

      If you consider the fact that everything out of Chicago is as corrupt as you and you’re dementedly, psychologically, mentally, physically, sexually freak of a leader is just that….corrupt… see what you are?

  • Harold Olsen

    A number of years ago here in Washington state, a Democrat running for reelection in a local campaign was debating his Republican opponent. When the Republican brought up the Democrat’s dismal record the Democrat screamed at him, “How dare you bring up my record. You have no right to be doing that.!” That is something I’ve been expecting from Obama. In the 2008 campaign, Obama was allowed to decide what was and what wasn’t off limits concerning him. I’ve been waiting for him to decide that his record was off limits this time around. The brain dead media would have supported him on that 100%.

    • GALT

      Dear WAYNE, if you and Romney were in a room, we would simply have a room
      which contained “no smart people”…….

      • S.C.Murf

        These men debated for over 2 hours the other night and this is all you’ve got galt? At least we know who would be holding the door for them (YOU doorknob)

        up the hill
        airborne

      • JON

        I couldn’t have said it better myself.

      • Tommie

        Dear Galt, And if you were in the room, you would be the artificial plant sitting in the corner.

      • John Woodbury

        Yes galt, and if you and all the rest of the DNC trolls were there, the I.Q. would negative infinity.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        If all you can do is throw out insulting remarks, I suggest you crawl back under the rock you just crawled out from underneath.

      • GALT

        Gee sorry guy’s but that is all the “effort” that Wayne requires……you want more?

        You might think, and in being generally ignorant, I would predict that you do believe, that the “state income tax” you may be paying goes to the state you are working in?
        In 19 states this is NOT the case……take Kansas, as a specific example….AMC theaters, which moved it’s HQ from Kansas City Missouri, to Leaward Kansas, 10 miles away…….which simply shifted jobs across state lines…..but in exchange the CORP gets to keep the “state income tax” collected although their employee’s are “clueless” ……( as you are ) How much is this worth to the owners over the TERMof this agreement…..a mere $47 million, basically chump change, right?

        Who owns AMC theaters? J.P. Morgan, Apollo Mgmt, the Carlyle Group and Bain Capital Mgmt. No jobs created, just moved……

        But as I said, there are 19 states that have done these deals…..and 2700 corps which have arranged them….to include, General Electric, Goldman Sachs, Proctor and Gamble…as well as foreign companies,including Siemans and Electrolux……… as well as Japanese, Canadian and European Banks…….

        Further ignorance on your part, re; the revolution and the phrase “no taxation without representation”…..is that the CROWN was not the problem…..nor was taxation, British subjects at HOME, were taxed 25 to 50 times as much……the PROBLEM was the EAST INDIA COMPANY…..a state sanctioned MONOPOLY…….is a patternbeginning to develope for you? No? If you had read Power, Inc. or any of the “other” books on the list of MY required reading…..….the revelation above would not be SHOCKING NEWS……..it would just be another piece that FIT the picture of our present…….

        And one final blow for today……….this time the median WAGE which in 2010 was $29, 448…….in 1966 it was $392 DOLLARS LESS………SINKING IN YET?

        Oh wait, just one more FUN FACT for today, there was a time when banks charged a $6. fee for a bounced check…….the banks costs for this was 30 cents, the present day cost is ONE CENT…..the fee is over $40 although you probably won’t know until it happens.
        It is always a pleasure to talk to people who believe they have a RIGHT to their opinion…….insistence on sharing ignorance has always been useful to someone……..willing victims do make the BEST MARKS, after all…and such PATRIOTISM should not go unacknowledged…..hopefully President Romney will leave the $200 something Social Security DEATH BENEFIT intact..rather that removing it as an excessive entitlement?

        FINALLY, the FACTS presented here are intended as a WARNING, not as an endorsement for the current President…..nor are these FACTS….NEW……..and we have just BEGUN to explore them……and in the future you will begin ( hopefully ) to understand that you are living in a “nightmare” which began many decades ago……two examples of which are Eisenhowers “promise” that nuclear power would yield “abundant power to cheap to meter” and that “competition and free markets” would result in lower costs……as in the breaking up of ATT.

        What is business as usual? You are about to find out……stayed tuned…

      • GALT

        not enough?

        The Wonderful World of Willard…..Part 2 of a continuing series, exposing another bit of TRUTH…….in a picture puzzle.

        Circa 2001 the dot com bubble popped, the market dipped, jobs were lost and a recession began……….the jobs were not recovered until 2004 a presidential election year……..

        2004 also saw the passage of the American Jobs Creation Act ( of 2004 ) which is an interesting name for the legislation because this was not a direct stimulus to create jobs but an application of the “trickle down” theory……….which was proposed to capture “off shore” profits by international corporations which had eluded taxation.

        The theory ( and it’s only a theory and not to be confused with a “scientific theory” ) stated that if the corporations were allowed to “repatriate” this money ( for some reason money and patriotism seem to be somewhat disconnected and a difficult concept for international corporations ) then they would re-invest it in all manner of market competitive activity and THIS would result in ECONOMIC GROWTH and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS….and maybe some chickens……..

        It was passed by 205 Republicans and 75 Dem’s……….and 43 and 25 in the Senate…….thus demonstrating the then presidents ability to reach across the aisle to achieve bi-partisan solutions…….and was projected to employ one in every twelve of the current jobless…… ( see the then BLS employment numbers or Jack Welch for verity and/or cooking )

        843 Corporations repatriated 312 billion while escaping 80 billion in taxes………and free market capitalism was unleashed to work it’s MAGIC or “magical thinking” depending on your ability to assemble a “picture” from pieces of FACT.

        The largest beneficiary was Phizer and just in case you are wondering how hard it is to get money from “patriotic sales” to another country which grants more favorable tax treatment like the Cayman Islands, it just demands someone with “real business experience”……. because as Willard has reminded us, “Corporations are people too, my friend.”

        In Phizer’s case, they simply assign the rights to a drug ( Viagra, Lipitor )to an off shore subsidiary which collects a “royalty” ( nice word that ) on every pill sold and this avoids the predatory 35% corporate tax rate….imposed by the present commie/socialist government of these United States…….please however, don’t try this at home especially if you DO NOT HAVE “real business experience” because some “people are MORE EQUAL” than others.

        After receiving this “forgiveness” Phizer proceeded to close factories and eliminate jobs……in 2004 it employed 115,000 people, by 2009 it’s work force was 74,000,…………trickle down had “stimulated” the loss of 41,000 jobs.

        This may have something to do with the fact that the American Job Creation Act ( of 2004 ) carried no obligation that this money, not one dollar of it, be used to create jobs or expand research……..in fact it did not specify the United States at all….simply what the executives determined would “stabilze” the company……….so what did Phizer do with this money? It was used in an attempt to manipulate its own “stock price”……..another piece of the Wonderful World of Willard which will be covered as this series continues…….

        In all, 100,000 additional jobs were lost…..as a result of the American Job Creation Act and the 80 billion in lost revenue, had to be borrowed which became part of the debt, with interest……at current rates for Phizer alone, comes to 1 million a day……. to be paid by the “not so equal people”.

        Coming soon: The 35% Corporate Tax Rate…….and a little more “magic or magical thinking”….. in the world of “business as usual. ”
        The Wonderful World of Willard…..Part 2 of a continuing series, exposing another bit of TRUTH…….in a picture puzzle.
        Circa 2001 the dot com bubble popped, the market dipped, jobs were lost and a recession began……….the jobs were not recovered until 2004 a presidential election year……..
        2004 also saw the passage of the American Jobs Creation Act ( of 2004 ) which is an interesting name for the legislation because this was not a direct stimulus to create jobs but an application of the “trickle down” theory……….which was proposed to capture “off shore” profits by international corporations which had eluded taxation.
        The theory ( and it’s only a theory and not to be confused with a “scientific theory” ) stated that if the corporations were allowed to “repatriate” this money ( for some reason money and patriotism seem to be somewhat disconnected and a diffult concept for international corporations ) then they would re-invest it in all manner of market competitive activity and THIS would result in ECONOMIC GROWTH and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS….and maybe some chickens……..
        It was passed by 205 Republicans and 75 Dem’s……….and 43 and 25 in the Senate…….thus demonstrating the then presidents ability to reach across the aisle to achieve bi-partisan solutions…….and was projected to employ one in every twelve of the current jobless…… ( see the then BLS employment numbers or Jack Welch for verity and/or cooking )
        843 Corporations repatriated 312 billion while escaping 80 billion in taxes………and free market capitalism was unleashed to work it’s MAGIC or “magical thinking” depending on your ability to assemble a “picture” from pieces of FACT.
        The largest beneficiary was Phizer and just in case you are wondering how hard it is to get money from “patriotic sales” to another country which grants more favorable tax treatment like the Cayman Islands, it just demands someone with “real business experience”……. because as Willard has reminded us, “Corporations are people too, my friend.”
        In Phizer’s case, they simply assign the rights to a drug ( Viagra, Lipitor )to an off shore subsidiary which collects a “royalty” ( nice word that ) on every pill sold and this avoids the predatory 35% corporate tax rate….imposed by the present commie/socialist government of these United States…….please however, don’t try this at home especially if you DO NOT HAVE “real business experience” because some “people are MORE EQUAL” than others.
        After receiving this “forgiveness” Phizer proceeded to close factories and eliminate jobs……in 2004 it employed 115,000 people, by 2009 it’s work force was 74,000,…………trickle down had “stimulated” the loss of 41,000 jobs.
        This may have something to do with the fact that the American Job Creation Act ( of 2004 ) carried no obligation that this money, not one dollar of it, be used to create jobs or expand research……..in fact it did not specify the United States at all….simply what the executives determined would “stabilze” the company……….so what did Phizer do with this money? It was used in an attempt to manipulate its own “stock price”……..another piece of the Wonderful World of Willard which will be covered as this series continues…….
        In all, 100,000 additional jobs were lost…..as a result of the American Job Creation Act and the 80 billion in lost revenue, had to be borrowed which became part of the debt, with interest……at current rates for Phizer alone, comes to 1 million a day……. to be paid by the “not so equal people”.
        Coming soon: The 35% Corporate Tax Rate…….and a little more “magic or magical thinking”….. in the world of “business as usual. “

      • http://yahoo bob peters

        dear Galt,If you and Obama were in the same room we would have two Pendejos!

      • TeaParty Patriot (TPP)

        Your affirmative action president found out that the old adage is true: A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client. The 0′bomb doesn’t stand a chance even when he has a moderator who stacks the deck in his favor. the 0′bombs lies and deceit are now catching up with him. If mccain had the cajones to stand up to the lying 0′bomb we would never had this affirmative action product as president to begin with

      • Ron

        Galt…this is a serious request. Contact me at capricornbaker@yahoo.com. Not sure what your screen name will show up as…Galt (?). Some of your commentary has caught my attention…I’d like to hear from you. Thanks.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Come ON, people!!! Read it and read it again! GALT is SHOWING you how THEY screw us over and over again, and WE PAY FOR IT!!! Not only do they NOT pay taxes but THEY get to keep OUR tax money!!! EVERYTHING is manipulated! The laws are MADE to benefit THEM!!! READ IT over til you understand it! I’m not even sure if I understand it ALL but the picture is coming into focus! If we dont even SEE what they are doing they have free reign to keep doing it and then some!!! These things GALT speaks of really ARE more pertinent and important than the phony debates and the phony election because these things happen no matter WHO is sitting in the white house!!! EVERYTHING the government DOES is with the PURPOSE of taking everything from us and giving it to their cronies which include themselves!!!it’s ALL a BIG SHAM!!! I’m DONE falling for it, what about you? I won’t even pretend that I see the WHOLE picture yet, but I WILL get there because I KNOW that there IS a whole picture that’s being hidden from US!!! I think that I already know what GALT’s next installment will be about. He dropped the “teaser” about the 35% corporate rate, income tax. In reality, the big corporations pay little or NO income taxes, thanks to all their precious deductions! Last year, GE paid NO income taxes! That’s what it’ll be about, isn’t it, GALT?

      • Gary L

        And all of this information you site makes you want to support Obama BECAUSE???

      • TIME

        Dear Murf & Crew that followed,

        OMG,

        Lets be real, two hours ~ two days ~ two years ~ two decades, ~ and ~ yet nothing of any value came from this ~ ” Alledged debate” or what ever one would so like to classify the mindless rhetoric that was blown about like so much bad gas in room full of
        BIG FAT FARTS after a chill eating event.

        Thus ~ Other than Masturbators playing with the Old Jolly Roger ~ there was little else going on during this staged screen event,

        So please do great ones ~ tell us all what you garnered from this oh so special event?

        Peace and Love

      • GALT

        Who you support is up to you…….this series is to enlighten you as to “mechanisms”
        that are already in place………and given “willard’s”, serious business experience….
        and his “rationalized beliefs”………..regarding “job killing regulations”……and his various
        position’s on so called “health care” or “Dodd Frank”……..if you think that he has
        solutions that will improve things for YOU…….by all means……..feel free to vote for
        him……….after all Obama has chosen NOT TO ENFORCE certain laws……..so that even if
        willard fails to repeal or alter those “things” he claims are problems……what laws do you
        think he will choose not to enforce?

        BTW just as Phizer used “little tricks” to funnel profits off shore……..this is also easily
        done within the U.S………….you see not all states are created equal, so that
        revenue that could be taxed…….in Wisconson, can be easily funneled to Delaware,
        Nevada, Wyoming…..where no taxes exist………

        If you have been paying attention, you might have noticed how R & R each have plans
        to funnel money and responsibility to the “states”…….so given the content of the first
        post above……..you might have some understanding of the basis for this position……
        and it isn’t to make things better for you………

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Let’s play word games or should the word be semantics, Galt. What would you perceive to be the embodiment of “smart people”?
        Playing that playground game of “I am smarter, prettier, stronger” than any and showing how immature you are?

      • GALT

        Dear Nadzieja Batki

        “Not just because Mitt is the smartest guy in the room — and he is.”

        I don’t think Wayne will actually be able to benefit from your citing his “immaturity”
        but thanks for pointing it out……..

      • rb

        But wait…who is Obama’s “jobs Czar”? CEO of GE. The biggest outscourcer of jobs we’ve seen in years. Paid $0 Corp Tax sent more jobs to China then any other employer. That’s our jobs Czar under Obama. How about those allies of Obama. Nancy Pelosi who thinks unemployment checks create jobs. How about the number of uninsured Americans that has risen substantially since Obamacare was implemented because those without employer paid health insurance can no longer afford the premiums. How about the number of Americans on the food stamp program. Up 43% under this administration. It’s that damn record again!

      • GALT

        Poor Wayne,

        ” Really. I own multiple small businesses. My taxes haven’t been cut one time, nor one penny under Obama. ”

        Wow, Wayne……you live in Nevada and you DON’T KNOW how to run a “small business”
        and avoid taxation? Maybe “willard” can help you?

        There are ways to “own” things and ways to “control” things? How long have you been living in this country………and why have you been paying “willard the welfare queen’s”
        taxes all these years? How about ‘warren buffet’s’taxes? Now that guy gives the concept
        of “class warfare” a whole new meaning……….

      • eddie47d

        Why does Nadzieja ignore the ridiculous comments from some Conservative commenter’s? Because she is a biased troll for them! Think outside the box for a change Batki can you do that?

      • Observer

        It is funny how people are quick to call Republican candidates names. Romney has dual degree in business and law from Harvard, graduated in top 5%, made a ton of money and some worm is calling him “not smart”. His records are not locked. The Dumbobama was shifted into Columbia with SAT of 1100 (the base for being admitted is over 2100) and then again to Harvard based on his skin color. That’s why his only job was a community organiser. Why do you think his school transcripts are locked? Have we ever had a president where any personal information, which should be wide open, since my taxes are paying that parasite, have been LOCKED period. Why are journalists not digging the truth? Locking something about you in a journalist’s eyes makes you fishy. If the record is clean and one is proud of it, there is no need to lock it.

        • Susan Atwood

          There really is no sense to discuss or reply to supporters of Mr. Obama. They are for the most part not the most intelligent people on the block. Interactions with these people only make one ugly as hell for being drawn into their stupidity and ignorance. They have not done their homework and won’t entertain any other opinion but that Mr. Obama is just great.
          Mr. Romney is a wonderful man who made it to become very sucessful. I think jealously pays a big part among the haters and name callers. Let’s hear their remarks on November 7th.

      • GALT

        Well look on the bright side, Observer, at least the “parasite” is paying his taxes, while the “smart guy” is letting you pay his and yours………

        P.S. I know it looks like he is paying them…….to the tune of 14% or so, but that is
        simply an illusion……..which when examined “in toto” would reveal a “negative tax rate”….

        Apparently the “smart guy” wants to keep a few things locked up……of the two, which
        of these “locked up” things do you think is more “useful” in determining “motive and
        intent”?

      • GALT

        Well Susan, it is not often that one see’s equating a “wonderful man” with a thief, liar and destroyer of lives and livelyhoods…….how many off shore account’s do the O’bama’s have……..?

      • hipshotpercusion

        Galt, At least Romney got the fast and furious bit in there, and guess what? Candy covered for his lame butt and he completely ignored a honest question from mitt. By the way, Candy Crowley is the spawn of one of the most evil creatures to ever live…Aliester Crowley the father of Barbara bush.

        • Nick Czudy

          Hip Shot………… “Candy Crowley is the spawn of one of the most evil creatures” Here they go again. Your name gets added to the looney bin.

      • DaveH

        Yes, Nancy, there is Crony Capitalism. And yes, they get special legislative favors in the form of subsidies, tax breaks, quotas, favorable regulations, etc. from their Crony Politicians which is wrong.
        But before you spend too much time commiserating with Galt, you need to ask him what his solutions are. He’s a collectivist — a Socialist, and he thinks people in Leadership positions can somehow be more trustworthy than Crony Capitalists can be.
        Don’t enable the creepy guy, Nancy.

      • GALT

        Always a pleasure to see your functional illiteracy in action DavidH but the real
        improvement will come when you comprehend that your attempt to use labels
        as argument is not only logical fallacy but since you have no clue what the labels
        mean they have no effect……..but it is also strange that you find the FACTS being
        revealed here cause for alarm…….did you want to argue any of them? I don’t see
        an argument…….but then when have you ever made one…….in your magical world
        of “free market, unregulated, voluntary transaction capitalism”?

        Since you have failed to grasp the MESSAGE which has not changed I will
        repeat it again for you…….Government is NOT the problem, corrupted government
        is your problem…….but if you had any knowledge of “history”……..you would surely
        know that “corporations” were restricted to a twenty year lifespan, required to have
        a singular purpose and had to demonstrate that they contributed to the “public good”.

        Still David, I have never seen a “victim” clamor so vigorously for more of what
        has made him a victim…….because he is clueless of just about everything including
        human nature………and all you have to do to change this is to start defining those
        labels………flesh them out…….try naming those “crony capitalists”…..in fact here is
        a synonym for you “the political donor class”……..if you aren’t one of those, you
        are a victim of them………

        Since you seem to have missed this…….try reading it again…..

        “FINALLY, the FACTS presented here are intended as a WARNING, not as an endorsement for the current President…..nor are these FACTS….NEW……..and we have just BEGUN to explore them……and in the future you will begin ( hopefully ) to understand that you are living in a “nightmare” which began many decades ago……two examples of which are Eisenhowers “promise” that nuclear power would yield “abundant power to cheap to meter” and that “competition and free markets” would result in lower costs……as in the breaking up of ATT.

        What is business as usual? You are about to find out……stayed tuned…”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Dave H, I’m here for a reason! I’m not here just because I have nothing else to do. I have enough to do to keep me busy day and night. I’m here because I want to learn something that I didn’t already know. To just repeat the same things over and over does nothing to expand my knowledge. I’m seeking truth. If I post something controversial, it almost certainly leads to an exchange of ideas. If GALT has something to offer, I’ll not turn it down! I admit that when GALT started posting, he was overbearing and obnoxious and spoke in riddles. But I am willing to put up with overbearing and obnoxious for the clear exchange of information. What he’s been posting is no longer in riddles. He’s sharing information that I find very interesting and informative. He uses psychological tactics to make us search and figure it out. Do I wish he were nicer? Yes, but in the end does it matter if I am learning things? He’s badgered and bullied you so you’ve decided that you will never accept anything that he says. That’s your loss. You say, he’s a collectivist and a socialist. I’ve never heard anything that would indicate that to me. Because he’s trying to get you to look beyond Mises, you won’t do it just to spite him. That too is your loss. I don’t need to like him. I don’t need to agree with everything he says. If I can learn and expand my knowledge, I’ll put up with his debasement. I don’t need his approval so I don’t care.

      • DaveH

        Ask him what his solution is, Nancy. It’s as simple as that; if he’ll tell you the truth.

      • DaveH

        Nancy says — “Because he’s trying to get you to look beyond Mises, you won’t do it just to spite him”.
        I thought better of you than that, Nancy. Too bad. You made that up out of whole cloth, just like the board Liberals do. I post links to Mises because they offer Free books online and I can count on them to tell people the real truth, so I don’t need to do much checking on their statements.

        Here is a snipet from a “Power, Inc.” (the book that Galt is recommending) review:
        “He (David Rothkopf, the author) correctly notes that these gargantuan players now prevent us from dealing with the pressing issues of our day such as global warming, growing economic inequality and embracing cleaner forms of energy…..The extremes of both Soviet communism and free-market financial excesses have been discredited. American capitalism initially triumphed but has since receded: and competition between different capitalisms will continue.” —Roy Ulrich, The Huffington Post.
        The extremes of “free-market financial excesses”? We haven’t had anything close to Free Markets in this country for over 100 years.

        If you took the time to read this book that I link to often, you would know that, Nancy:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        Instead you join the chorus of Liberals who are trying to disparage Mises.

      • GALT

        David, David, David…..you poor lad, and you will have to do better than blurb’s if
        you intend to argue the content and facts in books you haven’t read…..and since
        the books are “foundational” any chance of you have of even coming close to understanding what I am about, to even begin to “argue” with ME about anything,
        isn’t going to happen……..as an interloper here, I expected a hostile reception, and
        that it would be you and your coterie is simply the way of things…….and the problem
        with those who would pretend to “alpha dog status of an intellectual bully” is that
        to succeed……..actual “intellect” is required. You need FACTS and the reasoning ability
        to organize them into a coherent framework……..you have neither, and reliance on
        “von mises” links and sound bite repetition can not disguise that deficiency.

        The state of being “ignorant” is a condition which can be remedied…….”willful ignorance” on the other hand is a terminal condition…….and you have
        my condolences.

        Ultimately everyone chooses what view of society they are going to adopt and what
        sort of social interaction is the most appropriate and reflective of their opinion of
        others as human beings both in commonality and differences…….and this determines
        behavior and civility, cooperation or conflict…….and there are no restrictions on
        the range of this behavior…….which for most is largely determined by the
        circumstances in which they find themselves……..and their ability to respond to them.

        One’s ethics and morality are also choices which are largely determined by
        circumstances and what works………which is for most again determined by
        observation and imitation……that which is successful brings both power
        and advantage and becomes habit……….but again, there are no restrictions
        on what will work……although for most this is simply a matter of the path of
        least resistance and for us that path has been the application of force, conquest
        and domination…….directly, or through the control of these mechanism’s.

        Observation and imitation are not intellectually demanding strategies so these
        cycles tend to be self re-enforcing…….where degrees of success, also result in
        social stratification and hierarchies……..but these structures are not the result
        of intelligent reasoning and because of this they are incapable of adaptation
        or the anticipation of consequences………which can only result in failure and
        collapse……….which is the LESSON of HISTORY and has been constantly repeated.

        Now you have demonstrated that your knowledge of history is rather weak as
        to the particulars of any given period, and it would be rather foolish to deny the
        general result just stated……….but we no longer have the luxury of past failures
        because there is no room left for failure and we still have not even begun to
        recognize the need for anticipatory and adaptive thinking nor do we have the
        intelligence to design and impliment the solutions, because those with the “power”
        now are concerned with maintaining it ( as they always have been ) and the “victims”
        are too busy being victims, expecting salvation from those who have enabled their
        oppression in the first place………you seem to get this part, but you imagine that
        somehow you are different……..that you are less deserving of victim hood, and
        that “government” is the cause……..unfortunately, that is the best you can offer
        and your solution is “free market, unregulated, voluntary transaction, capitalism”.

        Finally, you want me to produce solutions for you………( although you have already
        indicated that you have the solution, so your request would appear somewhat
        disingenuous ) and I have no objection to pursuing that discussion………but you
        need to understand that this would entail an actual dialog…….and to begin,
        you will need to identify those PROBLEMS which you believe require solutions….
        and you will also need to define your terms if you resort to using them…….and
        believe that they hold some contributory validity to the PROBLEM you are
        seeking to identify………..

        Evidence suggests that you are not capable of this kind of discussion nor
        have an actual desire to engage in one…….but you are welcome to try……

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Dave H, I wrote you a message and accidentally posted it further down.

    • deerinwater

      ” “How dare you bring up my record. You have no right to be doing that.!”

      Funny Harold! ~ That sounds more like the whole Republican Party for the last four years. Not having a defensible record on any front, Mich McConnell and Company accepted that as a fact and had decided to make a GOP comeback about 44 and keep him to short yard for 4 years ~ if America went to hell in a hand basket during the process and they have been rather effective with it. The lackluster gains in employment and overall economy duly noted.

      Finding the GOP unable to defend a sorry record or even elevate themselves, finding it easier to tear any and all opposition down to their level really seems to work! ~The consorted effort on the part of GOP affiliates and Fox news to play down anything remotely seen as an achievement such as taking out Osama to the Lilly Ledbetter Act as the GOP has attempted to shape Obama’s record of success for those found most willing to drink from a poison well of contempt and deceit.

      The primary difference between this second debate and the first was that 44 called attention to Gov. Rooney’s transgression with facts by calling him out on each false claim, where as the 1st debate Mitt Romney claims and fuzzy math were never challenged.

      It was a much better debate for both men to be certain and much information came out of it by hours end.

      Romney wants to cut everybody’s taxes and bring the Capital Gains tax to “ZERO”, in-effect, penalizing the “EARNED LABOR DOLLAR”, and balance the budget at someone’s expense who has yet been identified and named.

      Romney wants to hire more women, if he can find one.

      Both men were on their game this time and I don’t know what was going on in the 1st debate ~ but something was amiss and will offer no excuses for it, the first being a clear Mitt Romney victory but there was no victory for Romney in the second round of debates.

      • http://google rose

        I am far from being wealthy but I would like a chance to be in that category. If given the chance to invest and saving, without being taxed on money I have already been taxed on when I worked for it. But thanks to the “progressives”, those on lower income level have no chance of really progressing in life finacially. I am a woman and I want a chance to get back to making money the way it was before Obama took over.

      • Smilee

        rose says:
        October 18, 2012 at 11:18 am

        You only pay tax on the gain from the money you paid taxes on previously so this tax is on new income not what you have paid taxes on before. Getting rid of Capital gains gives a tax break on income never taxed before and mostly apples only to the wealthy. Dream on sweety

      • eddie47d

        Romney and other wealthy folks usually only pay a 15% rate . How do they get away with that. They include all their income (job) as an investment and get the lower rate. The working stiff has to claim his income from his job not as an investment. Thus the big difference. Hedge Fund Managers on Wall Street do the same thing and that has to change. We need to separate their job income from investment income and at least level that unfair tax burden on the rest of us.

    • Liberty Lover

      Absolutely right, Wayne. If this debate had been about some abstract proposition, with no points deducted for dishonesty, I’d have scored it a narrow win for Obama (with an assist from the moderator). Romney could have done so much better on Libya (and I trust he will do so in the last debate), and I can’t believe he hasn’t brought up the fact that Obama has never received even one Democratic vote in support of any of his budgets (while Reid, the infantile leader of the Senate hasn’t even attempted to approve a budget) to get the point across that we need adults taking charge in DC, but he did score a lot of damaging blows in savaging Obama’s actual dismal record, both domestically and abroad.

    • TIME

      Dear Nick,

      Ok. let see so Hipshot ~ has done his homework, oddly ~ that anyone can do and again oddly at least one part, I along with millions of others also found to be the TRUTH, yet that makes him a Loon ~~ So why is that again?

      Perhaps you should take a good long look at yourself, and rethink your platform.

      Peace and Love

      • Nick Czudy

        Hello Time. Thanks for your reply. Yes you are entitled to your opinion and there will be millions that join you. I am not right or left, but I can listen to every comment and decipher, if it is partisan rhetoric or fact. Both side can lie or distort the truth. Or leave out all of the facts. For example. The bailout failed and the government gave away 700 billion. the fact would be that it did not fail. it stopped a downward spiral in the economy and most of the money has been paid back. So it actually did not cost Americans the 700 billion. It is thing like this that each side can parse to their advantage.
        But my opinion and I will try and quote what David Letterman said on an interview with I cannot remember. It went something like this. the guest said that it seemed like Letterman was picking on the GOP most of the time and was therefore perceived as being Left Wing and liberal. His response was that he was actually independent, but as a comedian, he said that his livelihood depended on gaffs and outrageous acts for him to spoof. He then said that if it was not for the GOP, that he would be starved of material to spoof. There does seem to be a lot of things that the GOP spout that are far from the truth. I have seen this a lot this year. If I would rate how the Democrats and the GOP would score in a lie contest, I would rate it something like this. Democrats 20% and GOP 80%. The thing is that anyone in the GOP would feel that it is the opposite. But that is the reality to me. It seems that the Obama administration is more diplomatic and do not jump in with hurried and off the cuff statements. They seem to wait until they can speak with clarity and knowledge. So tend to believe more of their statements.

        Well my humble opinion. Now I am ready to receive the barrage of nasty names. (butt kissing, commie, socialist and ………….. and on and on.)

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Dave H, I sense that you feel betrayed because I don’t agree with you 100%. It isn’t that I don’t agree, it’s that I seek more knowledge and information. I find it amusing that that you now compare me to “the liberals”. I don’t think that I fit into that category in any way, shape or manner! But you’re free to think what you wish. I don’t think that there is anyone who can offer up one nice easy solution to the mess we’re in. It took many years for us to get to where we are and I think it may take many years to change it. Before any change will take place, people will need knowledge and awareness! That is where it must start! You post links to Mises. I think that is one valuable source. But I’ll not limit myself to one source. I find value even in sources that I do not agree with. ALL knowledge holds value. I want to be exposed to MANY sources. After ingesting what they have to say, I may agree or disagree. I do not disparage Mises. I just will not be limited by it. This is not a case of my abandoning you and siding with GALT. But if GALT offers information that is in a form that I can understand, I’ll not turn it down. He is abrasive. He is rude. He often speaks in riddles. But instead of getting angry, I tried to figure out the riddles. I wish he weren’t such a self righteous jerk, but if he has knowledge that I don’t have, I’ll not cut off my nose to spite my face. There is no betrayal here. My loyalty is to myself and my thirst for knowledge.

  • KG

    Those of you who like debates, my apologies. Debates are nothing more than a “dog and pony” show. Sorta like the “debates” you saw in high school out on the quad. Everybody is looking for some “cap” or “dis” that they can parade arround to “prove” that so and so is a “pos”.

    It’s not the “person” but his “Ideals and values” you are voting for. That’s how a lying womanizer can be reelected. It’s not his personality or his behavior, but the ideas he stands for. We are very fortunate to have such a wonderful person as Mr. Obama. Not only is he very eloquent and witty, but he has a genuineness that transcends any personal defect.

    That’s why he’s going to be reelected.

    • D A Y

      KG,, IS THAT OF THE KGB? ONLY AN OBAMA KOOL AID DRINKER WOULD THINK A PERSON’S RECORD DOES NOT MATTER. IF OBAMA CUT OFF YOUR WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS, YOU WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM, NOT BECAUSE OF HIS BAD IDEAS, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS, BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE STARVING… ONE LESS LIBERAL IN THE WORLD……

      • Johnny

        what makes your IGNORANT self think that everyone who votes democrat is on food stamps and welfare? Maybe we just think that you bible thumping republicans who say jesus this and that should be contributing more to society than you do. Maybe we believe that there will ALWAYS be poor people and those who cant make it because of the greed of the business people who protect profits over giving people a decent wage to live on?? And besides, if you are not rich, which I am sure you arent by your ignorant comment, why would you vote republican anyways. YOU PEOPLE are supposedly pro life but then when we have all of these extra people here who would be if you got your way and we banned abortion dont believe in helping people either, and the real problem is this….that you dont see the hypocrisy in what you believe.

      • John Woodbury

        OK, Johnny wrap your classicism brain around this, not every person voting Republican is a God fearing, bible trumping, born again Christian. I do not believe in a God, a higher power, maybe. I have already voted for R & R simply because Heli Ben and the O reduced my retirement by 26% due to inflation and the dropping dollar. BTW, I worked 30 years for my teacher retirement. The amount? 1,363 after taxes and insurance. So take a long walk off a short pier, and take the rest of the DNC trolls with you, fish food.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Convoluted “reasoning” is all your comment is, Johnny. You loathe Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians and anyone else who does not follow your ideology of Utopianism.
        You believe that Christians should be the “garbagemen” of the US, cleaning up after the screwups the Dems/Progs/Leftists make of their lives .How dare they not make life perfect for you with no problems, no cares, no worrries, no sorrows?

      • Patriot1776

        Just a simple question for you Johnny. How much do republicans contribute to charities as opposed to democrats? How much time do you spend helping in homeless shelters, food banks or really doing anything for somebody else on a volunteer basis?

        The democrats idea of “helping those in need” is to take money from someone else and give it away.

    • Susan Atwood

      You are one sick puppy.

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Kg: You’re right,unfortunately, Obama will get re-elected but it isn’t because he’s so “elegant or graceful”. It’s because, he’s running against a cruddy elitist snobbish opponent. That’s all. If he was running against a good candidate he would be getting creamed. Next, everyone here, we have to be honest, Mitt Romneystein got crushed two nights ago, and you’ll know it!!That fool got called on the Libya question, then on the 47-49% remark. Thus, save the semantics. Anyway, not to sound repetitive, but it’s Gary Johnson-Libertarian candidate for me. Thanks!!

      • Gary L

        You say “Obama will get re-elected but it isn’t because he’s so “elegant or graceful”. It’s because, he’s running against a cruddy elitist snobbish opponent.”
        Obama will be re-elected because to many votes will be cast for candidates who can’t win.
        I’m not saying he is a bad candidate or that he shouldn’t win. I am saying that these votes should be cast to remove Obama from office there by giving us at least a chance to turn the tide before Obama and his ilk destroy whats left of our country. We have all heard about voting your conscience, and standing up for ideals. That is great but it does nothing to help solve the country’s problems now before its to late to turn it around..

      • Elisa

        Gary Johnson, Please do not be a sore loser. We have a goodman in Mitt Romney. ROMNEY/RYAN, THE DYNAMIC DUO.

      • james smith

        and you will be one of the ones to get the big O reelected
        I would love to vote for one of those other guys such as you mentioned but they will not get elected only a wasted vote .

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Gary,Eliza, and James: I am voting for the best candidate. It’s time to end the Tweedle dee,Tweedle Dum syndrome. Both the main party candidates suck bigtime and really smell up the joint!! It’s better to vote on principle and conscience then on premise. BTW, i think Romneystein will be worse for he’ll increase the military industrial complex that will lead to more wars of colonial expansion. These wars are one of the reasons why this country’s deficit is in dire straights.

      • DaveH

        Liberty will be on the ballot:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqtfyaWgW74

    • Tree lady

      KG, You are an idiot. If obummers lips are moving, he is lying to people who do not do their own research. As a small business owner of 32 years, things are NOT better under a President who has NEVER run ANYTHING. Except of course, running this Country into the ground……..

      • Johnny

        so I suppose if you were President, you would do what Romney says we should do…..we should cut taxes even MORE, so that even LESS money comes in to the treasury and then what??? cut all the programs that help the people you under pay SO you can under pay them??? The reason we have these programs in place is to help those who make minimum wage because EVERYONE knows that no matter how thrifty you are, it is not possible to live off minimum wage. And people use education as the answer but that would get THAT person out of that trap but what about the next one you hire who is ALSO making minimum wage??? Maybe you should have a little empathy for people who dont have degrees but still need to work and those who have to take the minimum wage jobs that are out there and then you wouldnt be voting republican.

      • DaveH

        For those who can manage to shed the blinders and learn how Government damages the poor rather than aiding them. Especially read Chapter 7 — “The Morality of Capitalism”:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

    • Patriot1776

      Obama has a “a genuineness that transcends any personal defect”? What obama are you talking about? The obama that is leader of the greatest nation in the free world, yet refuses to honor our flag and our Constitution? The obama that has spent nearly 4 years apologizing to every nation in the world for the strength and greatness of this nation? The obama who claims to support the middle class while enacting executive orders, regulations and tax burdens that prevent jobs and stifle the working men and women? The obama that claims to support women, yet his administration pays women less than their male counterparts? The obama that claimed in the debate to be pro-second amenment, yet supports the UN gun treaty and banning assault weapons while supplying assault weapons to the Mexican drug cartels? Just what obama is it that you see as genuine?

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        Patriot1776 – you left out that Barack HUSSEIN Obama also bowed to the king of saudi arabia. I saw his true colors right then and there.

        If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck……..it’s a muslim – !!!

        Carlucci

      • Karolyn

        Carlucci – But it’s OK if he bows to kings and queens of non-Muslim nations? It is simply protocol.

    • Ray (Viet Vet, USMC)

      KG,

      That might have been true 4 years ago, voting for ideals instead of the man. But after 4 years of economic stagnation, rising deficits, high unemployment (up to 25% for black Americans… notice I didn’t say AFRO AMERICANS, because the term should be offensive to ALL Americans), attacks by this administration on the Constitution, dozens of czars and hundreds of Presidential Orders (many of which could be construed as a march toward dictatorship), support of Gay Marriage and Abortion, Amnesty for all illegals (future Dem voters), the significant rise in people on welfare and food stamps, scandals such as Fast/Furious, and most recently Libya, it should be obvious that Obama has no idea how to get this country back on track. It is time for all Americans to look at the record, rather than the color of Obama’s skin to decide who will be the next POTUS. If black Americans, the MSM, and Hollywood liberals can still vote skin color over actual record, and vote against their own self interest just to re-elect a person of color (more Arab and White than black), then the country and the future is doomed. Pray for America… we are at an important juncture of history, two radically different views of how to proceed. We tried Obama’s way, and it hasn’t worked too well. If you can truthfully say that you are better off now than you were 4 years ago, you should vote for more of the same. If not, you should vote for REAL Hope and Change, not just the words….

      • UWorlds1

        Of course Afro-Amercans is offensive but who calls African-Americans that anyway??? And I don’t consider Libya a scandal. It was heart-wrenching that it happened but we are in dangerous areas…this is going to happen and this is not the first time it has happened. The question should be why are we there anyway? As far as food stamps is concerned…millions of people lost their jobs what do you suppose we do let them starve? I really don’t think we should go back to the policies of wall street run amonk. Didn’t we just go through this? Trickle down has not worked for thirty years…it won’t work now.

      • Smilee

        They seem to forget the larger losses in life from terrorists attacks in the Reagan, Clinton and GW Bush administrations, and none where made out to as bad as they want us to believe Obama has been in dealing with terrorists when in fact he has killed more terrorists than any of them

    • Elisa

      Shake the sand off your head please. It is burried too long in the sand. You are worshipping a muslim, a community organizer, a lawyer who surrendered his license before being caught lying on his application, by the Chicago Bar asso. So did Michelle’s. They both surrendered their licenses, to avoid disbarment for lying.
      I am not a birther but we believe he is hiding his real birth certificate, his college records, his passport and immigraton, his citizenship, his scholarship as a foreign student, If there is nothing to hide, why he spent millions of taxpayer money to hide all these vital records? By the way, he is or was using several social security numbers. The present one he has been using for about ten years belong to a deceased connecticut man. He also presented a fake draft card. These are not allegations or rumors. It is the truth.

      • UWorlds1

        Boy you have been listening to WAYYYY to many conspiracy theories.

      • UWorlds1

        You do know we don’t have the draft…so what are you talking about a draft card???

      • Warrior

        Hey “U”. Put your crayons away, it time for breakfast.

      • rb

        So then…why has our President spent so much money hiding all of these documents that no President has refused to divulge. For a guy that said he was going to have a transparent administration there sure is a lot of executive privelege and court ordered sealed files going on. Or would all of these disclosures just be a problem with that “damn record” again? These are legitimate questions that this man refuses to answer.

        • Jeff

          Where is your evidence of these payments? In the Fox News vault? Under Glenn Beck’s pillow? Or in Fatbaugh’s drug stash?

    • Dorian Douglas

      Why do you believe that? It’s not true. Had you lived in Chicago in the mid-80′s, and watched him destroy a bank with sit-ins, so his boss (Geo Soros) could pick up the pieces, you wouldn’t have thought him so nice.

      Obama only cares about the guy in his mirror, and the guy (Soros) who is paying him. Did you miss the Romney comment about Obama’s Caymen bank account? Do you know how that money got there? Do you know about his criminal record? Do you know he had to surrender his law licence, to avoid prosecution for a felony? Do you know what the felony was? Try to get him to tell you.

      To paraphrase a CBS reporter, we will survive Obama. We can easily in 4 years undo the damage he has done. What will take far longer is rehabbing the morons who chose to elect a narcissist they didn’t know, who had no experience running anything, to the most powerful position on the planet.

      Dorian Douglas

      • UWorlds1

        Romney said nothing about a Caymen account. Are all you people in this boare dillusional?

      • momtokippy

        He certainly did speak about a Cayman account. Open your ears.

      • Johnny

        he DID say something about a caymen account, but he was just throwing things at him, he also said he invests in china, well, that is what happens when you have mutual funds who invest where they want, that is not exactly the same thing as Romney investing in china. Obama also released a LOT more years of returns than Romney did because Romney cant take the scrutiny, they found 100 miilion dollars in a IRA and a swiss bank account and a caymen account from one year of returns, and when this imbecile KNEW he wanted to be President, it just shows what a moron he really is and how he thinks the rules do not apply to him. Did you see how he said I am talking right now, you will get your chance….and he is saying this to the PRESIDENT……NO he doesnt even deserve to be on the same stage with Obama.

      • Patriot1776

        Johnny, even IF Romney has HIS money in foreign accounts and invests in China, at least he is investing his own money and has been successful. Obama, on the other hand, publicly invest our tax dollars in business’ that fail, taking our money and not producing any jobs. Obama has been investing our money in losers. Obama also pretends that his net worth is insignificant, yet between his salary for the job he should be doing instead of campaigning for the last 4 years, along with his royalties for his books put him well above the middle class cap.

      • alpha-lemming

        Not sure that’s quite accurate….
        Cinton definately only cared about Clinton ala his “3rd way” governing technique (welfare reform, “the era of big government is over” etc.), but Chairman Oba-Mao strikes me as much more of an idealogue than a narcissist. Look at his formative mentors (Davis, Wright…) and inner circle (Van Jones, Anita Dunn…)…. every one, to a man/woman, a card-carrying Communist. These are not positions likely to be tempered in order to be liked……

    • Capitalist at Birth

      If he is re-elected, listen closely for the giant sucking sound of the true Americans who will begin pulling up stakes and searching for more freedom than will be available in the United States of Communism. i don’t believe there are enough fools left for him to win. Wont you be sadly disappointed?

    • Shane

      Is that sarcasm? If it isn’t, it should be.

    • Johnny

      no matter what right wing blogs or news reports or news sources you read and what they tell you, the fact of the matter is that Obama will be re-elected and to prove to you what a crappy party you have in the republicans, unemployment is the highest it has been in a while during an election campaign and he STILL cant get a lead….maybe it is because his policies SUCK. When you alienate half the country it makes it hard to win. I dont trust him because he doesnt have any convictions….all mitt will be is a rubber stamp for whatever the tea party puts out….especially if they had the house and the senate….

      • davep

        you read too many of the lying liberlal polls trying to prop this POS up!
        Sorry Chump it will be a Romney victory and not even close.

        • http://Yahoo Ann

          AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!! FROM YOUR LIPS TO GOD’S EAR!!!

    • Jeff

      Well stated. The loons on this blog can’t come up with enough negative adjectives to describe Obama. I’m surprised someone has not called him a poopoo head yet. And why? Because he’s not their kind of moron like W was. If Obama does something intelligently, they cry about it and want it done stupidly like W would have done it.

      I’m not buying the timeshare. Romney is nothing but an empty suit Amway recruiter.

      • alpha-lemming

        It’s difficult to argue, that the country wouldn’t be MUCH better served under a Constitutionalist moron vs. a brilliant Communist……. and if I call him a doodoo head, do I still have to pay your royalty???

      • http://google redbull

        Putting intelligence and Obama togethe is an oxymoron at best. He is a marxist/socialist loviong freak. Typical democrat socialist/communist, they all beleive in government control of everything and every body, read the verifiable SOB veiws in his books, his whore hound mother may have jumped the broom with his(?) dad but with her back ground, who really was his sire?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You just did.

    • Patriot1776

      Johnny, in one statement you say that obama will be re-elected, by the end you say that “all mit WILL be is a rubber stamp for the Tea Party”? The best thing that could happen for this country is to have a Constitutional conservative as President with a Constitutionally conservative Congress. Unfortunately we don’t have that as an option and judging by the popularity of the current incompetent, I doubt we have enough self respecting, self supporting citizens in this country to put in place what we need. Our only hope is to have enough support to fire the socialist-in-chief and put someone in office that at least loves this nation.

      • Don

        Actually Patriot1776, this country would be ahead if people like johnny didn’t vote !!!

      • Rene

        Obama will more than likely be elected again, because this is all a shell game, and if the National Republican Party wanted a true Constitutionalist for President, they could have easily beaten Obama in 2008 by running Ron Paul, and backing him, but that is not what they want, because they want whatever the Globalist CFE tells them to want, and to do. Just in case the CFR has decided to can Obama, and allow Romney to win, it will be no different other than a little posponement of their final agenda, but then again maybe everything is playing out the way they, the Globalists want anyway.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      It IS a dog and pony show!!! It makes NO difference who wins!!! The machine grinds on!!! The cabal makes the rules and sets the agenda!!! Everybody’s getting all worked up about a figurehead!!! If we want ANYTHING to change, we must FIRST understand what is really going on!!! Even then, I’m not sure we stand a chance! But we’ve GOT to TRY!!! We’ve got to start looking BEHIND the curtain! The wizard is NO wizard after all!!! NOTHING is as it seems!!!

      • Jeff

        There is some truth in what you say, but after W it’s hard to say having an idiot as president is without consequence. Do you really think we’d be in the economic mess we are if the Supreme Court had allowed Florida to count the votes? Do you think we would have spent/be spending trillions on the Iraq Misadventure?

      • DaveH

        Nancy is talking non-partisan common sense, and Jeff wants to make it a partisan issue.
        Those who want to better understand the game our Leaders play, while keeping most of us in a delusional chant for “our team”, please read this:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Jeff, YES! I DO believe that we’d be in the SAME MESS! I believe that the MESS was by DESIGN!!! I believe that the supreme court was following orders, just as everyone in government does!!! I believe that bush was merely a mouthpiece! I don’t really think that he’s smart enough to fight his way out of a paper bag, let alone run a country! He was a mouthpiece, a figurehead, a puppet! Call it what you want! Just as obumass and romney are puppets! The REAL work and the REAL decisions go on behind the scenes by those who control the money and the information! Those who control the money, control governments! Those who control information, control the people!!! The next one is, those who control the food, control the world. Look out! It’s happening!!!

      • JeffH

        Nancy, no trees blocking your view of the forrest…excellant!

        Forrest Gump: “My momma always said, Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get.”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Jeff, just SEEING the forest isn’t enough!!! I’m trying to see what’s going on IN the forest!!!

      • DaveH

        Judging by your earlier comment to me, Nancy, you’re not doing a very good job of it.

    • Ted

      WAR – when did you write this review? Monday? Unfortunately, all of your readers have seen the debates and made up their own minds. Those of them who agree with you think your review is right on. Those of who don’t agree with you or are seeking the truth in this election, will discard your review as propaganda trash.

      Twenty five years ago, If you wanted to inform thousands of people of your opinions, you had to have the opinions printed and then mail it to your subscribers. This was usually time consuming and expensive. So these opinions then became part of some business plan which packaged the opinions with something else of greater value to your subscribers. The subscribers were already inclined to your worldview.

      Now, with the internet, the game has changed. The cost and the time involved in publishing your opinion has been greatly reduced, and it is more generally available. But the goal has changed too. The writer is not a voice calling out in the wilderness searching for a kindred soul. He is now part of a great ongoing national discussion. He is now in the business of changing people’s minds. People have seen the debate and have made of their minds, and a lot of them are wondering if you watched the same debate. Unless you address their perceptions and questions, all you are doing is flapping your lips or kilobytes or something

  • Kinetic1

    Wayne,
    What debate were you watching? You, Fox and all the other talking heads can spin as fast as you want, but it was Governor Romney who was reeling from the blows. President Obama didn’t look “shocked and disgusted”, he looked amazed that Romney would walk right into his own fist. And talk about a record, Governor Romney was caught in lie after lie! Look at his real record in Massachusetts: He crows about cutting taxes and balancing the budget, but just how did he do that? In 2003 he “doubled fees for court filings (which include marriage licensing fees), professional registrations and firearm licenses. Romney also quintupled the per gallon delivery fee for gasoline. All told, the fees raised more than $400 million in their first year. Romney also “closed loopholes” in the corporate tax structure, a move that generated another $150 million in increased revenue.”

    “In addition, Romney cut aid to local cities and counties. In 2004, Romney cut nearly 5 percent, or about $230 million, from the local aid budget. The Massachusetts Municipal Association, representing the state’s cities and towns, said Romney’s cut “forced communities statewide to cut services and raise local taxes and fees.”
    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/romneys-jobs-record-is-best-or-worst/

    And how about that request he made for qualified women to consider for his cabinet?
    “”It didn’t really have anything to do with Romney asking women to give him names,” said Carolyn Jones, who was secretary of the Massachusetts Womens’ Political Caucus during the time that Romney was governor. The group compiled the names of female applicants before Romney came to office and offered them to both Romney and his Democratic opponent Shannon O’Brien.”

    “MassGAP, which is non–partisan, issued a statement saying that while the Romney administration started with women comprising 42 percent of newly appointed positions, by 2006, that number had dropped to 25 percent.”
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/romney-challenged-binder-full-women-managers/story?id=17501797#.UH_ihRyRFIE

    Raising fees that unfairly affect middle and lower income Americans to cover the cost of tax cuts, making up stories about his personal quest for qualified women, it just goes on and on. All we can say about his record of flip-flopping and lying is what’s next?

    • randall

      hahahaha, both big govt stooges who will say whatever their masters (goldmen sachs) tells them, who wins, goldmen sachs of course. folks, wake up, when half the country is on food stamps and the other half is getting to retire on ss in the next ten years, we are doomed, the govt thugs can do nothing. time to become self relient, grow some food, get out of debt, learn what native plants are edible

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You are only partly correct. You will not be allowed to grow food and you will not be allowed to get out of debt! They will see to it!!! They are already putting into place, “codex alimentarious” which will make it ILLEGAL for you to grow your own food! Look it up! And I can just about guarantee that they will create situations where you will have no option but to go into debt to them!

      • http://google redbull

        When pavement pounders think they can raise their own food, think again, many cities have ordanced again drying clothes on out door clotheslines, offends someone seeing under wear. Gardening could have run off, that may cause silt. If you buy some privately owned land, now you mus gett approval for use of your own property. Government agencies. Homeland Security, Dept of Milary, Land Use Agency, EPA, Federal soil Service Agencyew brought on line by the marxist/socialist and his socialist communist democrats. , You must have to report twice a year on feild sizes, which they will give you numbers for,ID ing crops, as well as what is being planted and harvest. giving you the right to sell your crops. to sell you crops that must have approved paper work. Taxpayers have been paying land owners billions over the last 3 decades to let farm ground lay idle and produce nothing. Onumnutts and his socialist/communists have tried government take over of all private property. Of course the Dept of Ag was created by FDR and the first Sec of Ag was a registered communist and thought USSR produced food the best way, the socialist/communst democrats keep promoting more government control over private property. Facts the liberial morons can not spin.

    • Jeff

      I can’t ever remember a more dishonest politician than Romney. He dons and doffs positions like they’re raincoats. His position on any issue, like that of an electron, can be expressed only in probabilities based on the day of the week and the audience. But regardless what he says in a given setting, his campaign aides will always reverse it the next morning. Will Eric Fehrnstrom have a veto over everything Romney “decides” if he’s elected? Andrea Saul?

      Nixon would be proud of Romney and quite envious. Nixon could only go so far because he looked dishonest. Imagine the lies he could have gotten away with if he’d looked like Romney.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You’re right about romney but you make the mistake of not applying it across the board!!! They are ALL dishonest because the WHOLE thing is a sham!!! The REAL decisions are made behind the scenes. The elections are nothing more than beauty pageants!!!

      • cbgard

        Nancy in Nebraska is right. The “election”, debates, etc., are all a big dog and pony show featuring the latest meat puppets that the establishment has put into play to distract the masses. It is all a big FARCE to mislead people; just like the wizard behind the curtain.

        Here’s an interesting article that came out on the Lew Rockwell newsletter today: http://lewrockwell.com/slavo/slavo124.html

        If you really want to know what is going on behind the scenes, read the free Lew Rockwell newsletter, (and of course Bob Livingston’s Personal Liberty newsletter).

        Carlucci

      • http://google redbull

        Release your vacum lips off of socialist/communist exhaust vent. Onumnuts lies every time his [comment has been edited] lips moves. When he claim he call the murder of people in Libya a terrorist act, no he said an act of terror, and claimed on Letterman it was a roit caused by the movie. An act of terror is cutting your break lines, or sliding off a road in a storm. His claims of oil and gas production on federal land was another lie, it is on private land, federal lands is down over 47%. facys not airy fairy BS that both he and braying jackazzed Biden claim. Economy getting better look at the increase in unemployment this week, make a difference if all states were included. Omoron makes Jimmy Carter look smart, We have never had a VP or Pres. that are congental liars and can not tell the truth at any time.

    • http://google redbull

      Don’t know what debate you were watching, OBama didn’t give honest answers, wouldn’t tell the facts on anything. You head had to be in a area for private screening, it is probably a dark, dank, and moist area that causes shorts in electrical connections. This deal with Libya proves again people died and the madrass trained shlub and his America hating smucks he surrounds himself with, nake Tricky Dick Nixon look like a choir boy. People died and Omoron keeps lying, lying and keep loving the daiper headed pedophile worshipping, women haters. Thes goat abusers aren’t ready for prime time yet.

      • Smilee

        They seem to forget the larger losses in life from terrorists attacks in the Reagan, Clinton and GW Bush administrations, and none where made out to be as bad as they want us to believe Obama has been in dealing with terrorists when in fact he has killed more terrorists than any of them. How about the Iraq war that should not have been fought in which we lost over 4000 to death and one trillion dollars spent and that cost still on the credit card to say nothing about the suffering of many that survived but were wounded and the cost over their lifetimes will be huge both in money and pain. If this was a mistake it pales in comparison to many in the recent past.

      • eddie47d

        There is a difference in lying and waiting until all the facts are in. Obama stated in the Rose Garden that is was a terrorist attack. How clearer can he make it? I don’t want any President or candidate shooting from the hip until the information is sorted out. Both Romney and Obama screwed up a little but this petty bickering is un American and does not serve us well.

  • rendarsmith

    Wayne, you’re a smart guy. I wish so much you did not shun your libertarian stance and decide to vote for Romney.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      As has been the case in all but one election since 1968 a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for the Communist/Socialist party (known officially as the Democrat Party.) So if you vote for the Libertarian or write in Ron Paul you are voting for the Communist. This makes you my mortal enemy along with the idiots voting for Communism.

      • Johnny

        you are a moron capitalist

      • Jeff

        So, the difference between a free market capitalist and Lenin is only 4% in the highest marginal tax rate? Who knew? If Obama is a communist committed to the destruction of the free enterprise system, why did he prevent Depression, save the U.S. auto industry, and double the stock market? Either he’s the worst communist in history or you don’t know WTF you’re talking about. The evidence leans toward the latter option.

      • DaveH

        Crony Capitalist says — “This makes you my mortal enemy along with the idiots voting for Communism”.
        Bring it on, phony.
        Why do you call yourself Capitalist, when it is obvious you know nothing about the term?
        Capitalism is Free Markets and Strict Property Rights. We have neither now, and that certainly won’t change under Romney.
        Anybody who isn’t brain-dead will recognize the Folly of voting for a Big Government Advocate in the hopes of getting Smaller Government.
        Obama has actually done the country a favor (unintentionally) by pushing us toward Socialism in a dramatic enough way to wake many Americans from their deep slumber. If a Romney-like Republican had been elected, we would have gone in the same direction, but it would have been slower, less-perceptible, and Government would keep on growing until it reached a critical mass that nobody could stop until our country was completely crushed economically. And by then, most of the people who understand the beauty of Free Enterprise will be long gone.
        While the Libertarian Candidate may not get elected, at least you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you did your best to steer our country back to Freedom instead of wasting your vote on another Big Government Growther like Crony Capitalist will do.

      • http://google redbull

        The democrats have sent more than one socialist/communist to run for president, 1972 canidate George McGovern, a registered communist professor, FDR, Wilson, and of course Onumnutts, a marxist admiring/socialist., all who want government to control everything even people.

        • Jeff

          If the democrats are all communists, then why does the stock market virtually ALWAYS perform better with a Democrat in the White House?

      • DaveH

        Jeff says — “If the democrats are all communists, then why does the stock market virtually ALWAYS perform better with a Democrat in the White House?”.
        One problem with that statement is that it doesn’t. Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure:
        http://gnuhaus.com/iblog/archives/000388.html
        Another would be that, even if it did, one must take into consideration the fact that the Federal Reserve regularly bails out the Politically Favored companies and pumps immense amounts of newly created money into Government Debt Instruments which allows Government to reward their favorite Crony Capitalists with more of the citizens’ money. So the Stock Market increases are largely indicative of the price increases across the economy which are a result of too many dollars chasing the same amount of goods (inflation). To pin this on the Democrats is NOT a Good Thing.

        • Jeff

          So it’s better for the economy and for people with pension funds invested in the market for it to tank like under W than to soar like under Clinton and Obama? I really don’t get what these Plutocrats have against Obama. They’ve all gotten much, much richer with him as President. I guess he doesn’t kiss their asses enough. They know Romney will.

          Democrats ran against Hoover and the Depression for decades. The same would be true of the W Brigade except so much of the media is in the tank for the right wing – Fox, AM radio, etc.

      • DaveH

        The first thing you need to get through your thick skull, Jeff, is that it’s a bipartisan thing. There are Progressive Leaders in both parties who are feathering their own nests as fast as they can at the rest of our expense.
        Read this Please:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Americas%20Great%20Depression.pdf

  • Kim

    Thanks, Wayne Allyn Root.

  • Warrior

    And now because the “fraud” does have a record for all to see, he will be sent packing. Makes one wonder, who makes more money over their lifetime, an ex-prez or a senator for life? It may be interesting to see oblama, bill and al competing for “speaking engagements”. Oh well, I’m sure there will be plenty of “dolts” left to keep all three occupied. Personally, I would prefer all three be sent to the ME to serve as “ambassadors”.

    • Jeff

      Hey, [comment has been edited]. Compare Obama’s record with W’s. But you’d probably still vote for that little drug store cowboy. Obama has saved the economy from Depression, rescued the auto industry, created 5 million new jobs in the private sector after the economy cratered as he was taking office, has doubled the stock market, ended “don’t ask,” and ended the Iraq Idiocy. If any Republican had a record like that, you’d be carving his face on Mt. Rushmore.

      • Patriot1776

        Jeff, twice on this post you have credited your anointed one with saving “saved the economy from Depression, rescued the auto industry, created 5 million new jobs in the private sector after the economy cratered as he was taking office, has doubled the stock market, ended “don’t ask,” and ended the Iraq Idiocy.” Looking at the reality instead of the obama web site yields a different outlook. The economy continue to teeter on the brink of a double or triple dip recession, the “rescued” auto industry has yet to repay their debt, the 5 million jobs may have been created but fast food just doesn’t pay the same as manufacturing, the stock market is superficially inflated, there is nothing to anyones credit of ending “don’t ask” and there are still boots on the ground in Iraq as well as Afghanistan, and several other countries in that region.

        Put down the obama flier and look outside.

      • Johnny

        well said Jeff…..but they have to SPIN his record…..they focus on what he didnt or WASNT able to do rather than on what he DID do. And regardless, they dont think anything should have been done about dont ask dont tell, if he would have done nothing about the auto industry and it would have gone under they would be talking about how the auto industry went under under his watch…they are never gonna be happy with Obama no matter what he does….I think it is because he is black….racism in disguise is what I think

      • DaveH

        Jeff says — “Obama has saved the economy from Depression, rescued the auto industry, created 5 million new jobs in the private sector”.
        Pure conjecture. Unless we can travel to a parallel universe without Obama, there is no way of telling whether he saved us from Depression or is just continuing the Folly of past Meddling Presidents which will result in even more pain in the future.
        He rescued the auto industry? Read this:
        http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2012/08/15/general-motors-is-headed-for-bankruptcy-again/
        He created 5 million new jobs in the Private Sector?
        In January of 2009 (Obama assumes office), the non-farm number of employed people was 133,561,000.
        Currently for the latest month of actual employment figures (July 2012), the non-farm number of employed people was 133,244,000.
        That’s a loss of 317,000 jobs since Obama has been in office. These are actual figures from the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics).
        It’s that pesky real record again.

      • http://google redbull

        Every would favor a drug store cowboy, than a maddrass educated rug polishing, dog eating, lap lizard for some sheik. W didn’t go around appoligizing for USA’s power, or tell the Russian he will put the screws to and destroy USA.. W actually paid payrolls and worked at a real job, this jugeared smuch has always had someone else to pick up the tab, taxpayers keep paying for his stupid pie in the green energy, even though he spends $200,000 @ hrs to fly and play golf or let his grump azzed scowling wife. You prolably wouldn’t be able to read the marxist admiring/socialist books to find out his twisted veiw that sure aren’t positive foe the USA, but beleives in dictators, hates whites and the western world.

      • Smilee

        Patriot1776 says:
        October 18, 2012 at 9:36 am

        It was reported this week that the tarp bill of 700 billion has now bee paid back to the tune of 720 billion giving to date the taxpayers to date have gained 20 billion dollars. Seem it was a good investment after all. We only hear from the GOP etc about the ordinal cost not the end cost which is the bottom line and therefore not at all what they want us to believe.

      • DaveH

        Tarp Payback?
        I’d like to see some references for that, Smilee.
        Even if it was paid back, it was paid back with cheaper dollars.
        TARP was created in October of 2008.
        According to the BLS own understated inflation calculator, $700 Billion in 2008 would buy what $752 Billion buys now.

      • Patriot1776

        Smilee is refering to the obama talking points list which does contain some truth in that there was a slight profit gained by the Fed in selling off the shares of AiG. Their portion of the tarp bailout was $720 billion, however, the entire tarp bailout was $812 billion and “Despite the good news about AIG, the Treasury still estimates the total loss from TARP is $63.5 billion, most of which is committed to housing programs.” (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/government-makes-177-billion-profit-aig-bailout/story?id=17074275)

  • Dussty1

    It was extremely gratifying to have Mitt on stage, calling out all the lies that have been told by this Administration and President. I felt like he’s calling out Obama for all of us. Finally, there’s someone to take it to Obama’s face, before the Nation. I hope Mitt keeps hitting Obama hard with the facts and truths and demonstrates to all those who are sleeping or not paying attention, that this President is no fan of the United States.

  • SMSgt Z (ret)

    One can only hope that Mitt is a man of his word

    “If I had paid more than are legally due, I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president,” Romney said in an interview in July.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81528.html#ixzz29emHJXjo

    OBAMA 2012

    • http://google redbull

      Does anyone ever find out what there traitor in Cheif will pay in extra taxes, using his intended tax plan, or what the multi millionares in congress wil cough up? No way since they all do nothing but waste time and money producing nothing. I notice when the vacum lipped socialist/communist democrats can not defend this cross bred puke, they call him black, when he is more white, but claim everyone is racist, when the puke in Cheif has stted he hates whites, and he even through his grandmother under the bus.. The dream of a muslim spring was something Onumnutts had previous knowlege of what was up. When Obama did way with the Day of Prayer and then had a love in with all themuslim Goat abusing freaks for days, nothing was released in the news?.

      • Nick Czudy

        Red Bull.
        I was very pleased to see the way that Obama treated the day of prayer. In the past it was such a blatant attempt to placate the religious right. I was deeply offended to watch, two congressmen, bless the portico where Obama would pass for his inaugeration.
        I wondered what modern educated countries, in the world, were thinking about Americans.

        Here in America the most advanced country in the world, we have grown men, acting in such a rediculous manner.
        Keeping religion out of government is a goal that needs to continue. Keep religion and religious dogma strictly for private use. Stay out of politics.

  • Johnny

    I agree with Kinetic, which debate were you people watching??? Of course, the President is too nice and too savvy to blame who REALLY should be blamed, which is the Republican House and your filibustering Senate. Even regular legislation cant be passed because republicans filibuster EVERYTHING. If we passed the jobs bill he has given congress, unemployment would be even lower, but hey….according to your own guy MCConnell, his number one job is to make sure Obama is a one term president, even if it is to the detriment of the country…hey….cant run on your record can you??? The individual mandate was a republican idea, but hey…we cant let obama pass anything so let’s filibuster our own ideas, right??? He has even said, he will listen to any ideas no matter what party suggests them, but hey…republicans are not interested in making this country stronger and better if it helps obama to get re-elected…..cant let these uppity black people think we can have another black man in the WHITE house, right??? or heaven forbid, maybe even a hispanic to be president..or gasp!!!!!! a woman, like Hillary…..why dont you people ever acknowledge that you have done a bang up job of screwing up the country and then hanging it on Obama’s neck….and tell the truth for once

    • Diana

      Dear Johnny,

      I voted for that black man in the white house, but the truth of the matter is that he is exactly what people are describing him as – an empty suit. HE HAS FAILED US. Never again!

      Romney/Ryan 2012

    • Warrior

      “Truth little johnny” you can’t handle the “truth”. Go back and get some more training from your “handlers”.

      • Johnny

        handlers? I dont have any handlers, but I dont believe all of the right wing propoganda machine either. To say that Romney won that debate you must be delusional. Pull your head out of the sand and listen to something other than right wing radio, tv and blogs and reports. I come here to see where you people get all of this nonsense from. When I was in the ARMY, everyone was always listening to RUSH….I didnt much care for him…..Clinton was President, I didnt vote for him, I voted for Perot….so just because I think the rich should help out the poor doesnt mean I am a socialist, it means that I believe that things should be fair. That there should be opportunities for lower and middle class people to get ahead. The govenrment doesnt make money, they only get it through taxing and rich people wont be contributing through their own volition, so taxing is a way to keep things even. NOW, MONEY gets you elected and not what you have to say and that just isnt right. MONEY is not speech.

      • Flashy

        Johnny..unless you believe in being told what’s acceptable behavior according to the whims of the Right…and believe in returning to the aristocratic elite oligarchy system of Victorian England (with a healthy dose of feudalism ), you’ll be accused of being a paid operative, a shill, or having handlers touting a communist Islamic agenda.

        Write to the readers, not the posters..

      • alpha-lemming

        Just a couple of facts to keep things interesting….

        1st…. Regarding the rich peoples “fare share”… the government could confiscate everybodys’ income over 100K (that’s an earnings cap to all those proponents) and the yearly budget would still not be balanced…. forget the 16 trillion debt on the countrys’ credit card.

        2nd…. It’s evil business that’s hurting the poor and only Government can insure fare (equal) outcomes. No… only in as much as you REALLY don’t care about the poor… you just care about the taking. To keep business in line, the Government can take them to court over their pricing policy….. they can do this in 3 ways:
        1) They can take you to court because you charge more than everybody else… this is called gouging.
        2) They can take you to court because you charge less than everybody else…. this is called predatory pricing.
        3) And finally they can take you to court because you charge the same as everybody else… this is called collusion.
        So….. the poor, and the reality are irrelevant…. all that’s important is the taking!!!

    • Gary L

      Johnny,
      You wouldn’t know the truth if it was handed to you on a silver platter and spoon fed to you.

      • Gary L

        Flashy,
        Democracy will aways lead to oligarchy. That is why the founders set up a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. The lie has been told enough that not only do people believe they don’t even know the difference.

      • deerinwater

        “That is why the founders set up a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. The lie has been told enough that not only do people believe they don’t even know the difference.”

        If I am not mistaken Mexico is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC as well. While I enjoyed living a life of a Patron and being waited on hand and foot for several years, it takes money, ~ money that few manage to acquire as the wealthy have just about everything and the poor allowed to serve for the scraps off their table.

        I confess, ~ I enjoyed it ~ but it was saddening at times.

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      Hers we go again with the race B.S.

  • Diana

    My goodness, KG….I just about heaved while reading your comment. The ideas Obama stands for? The idea that demonizing the very people who employ you and I because they work hard and earn higher salaries, which they in turn invest back into their companies creating more jobs for the American people is the VERY reason companies are sitting on billions of dollars and not expanding. In simple terms, THAT’S A JOB KILLER!!! Wake up and start showing some appreciation for those who are willing to risk their wealth and create jobs for you and I. Vote Romney 2012.

    • Johnny

      so we are supposed to be thankful for all of these companies that off shore the good jobs in search of higher profits, who pay people minimum wage so people dont make enough money to live?? People who invested their time and their lives to companies who lay them off a few years before they are gonna retire so they dont have to pay them their retirement benefits and what they EARNED??? My dad got laid off after working for the same company for 43 years….my mom worked for 37 years in a restaurant that paid her 7.00 an hour and didnt give her 7.25 until the minimum wage went up…THESE are the “job creators” that I am supposed to bow down to and kiss their feet because they allow us to live in poverty….you are NUTS.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        The only way we could EVER come up with anything CLOSE to “fair” would be to charge everybody the same percent of taxes. Eliminate ALL deductions, grants, tax breaks etc… Put a tariff on goods manufactured in other countries. Take away the BENEFIT of taking away the jobs! The system is so corrupt that the wealthy and corporations pay little or no taxes! Increasing the percentage that the wealthy pay will make NO difference! After they take all of their deductions, they still pay little to none! You could raise the corporate rate to 80%, it would change nothing! If you somehow managed to eliminate deductions, they would still get OUR money through government grants, contracts or tax incentives. The system is DESIGNED to take the money from US and give it to THEM!!! The federal government needs to get OUT of business altogether!!! Their only focus should be defense and infrastructure as it relates to defense!!! Even then, the cheating that goes on with defense contracts is astronomical! Those in government and those that control them are nothing more than criminals and THIEVES!!! Before ANYTHING can get better, we HAVE to recognize THAT!!! There will be NO “fair”!!! These people MAKE the laws to benefit themselves!!!

      • Svaldave

        I think you are very angry person, take it easy, anger could affect your health! Another point from two bad person I am choosing less evil and voting for Romney

      • DaveH

        Nancy says — “The only way we could EVER come up with anything CLOSE to “fair” would be to charge everybody the same percent of taxes.”.
        No, Nancy, the only fair tax would be for every adult to pay the same amount each year. We all get to vote for how the money is spent, so we should all pay the same amount. At any rate, the income tax, whether graduated or flat rate, allows the Government to take money from productive people and redistribute it to those who haven’t been productive. That’s a sure recipe for mediocrity.

      • DaveH

        Ideally Users should pay for the Government services they use whenever it is possible to assign such costs to users. Of course Government doesn’t offer that, because few people would voluntarily pay the inflated rates that would be charged by Inefficient Government when they could get much cheaper services from the Private Sector.

  • Gary L

    Obama’s record and all the facts don’t really matter to liberal demcrats as evidenced by comments from liberals on this board. Many of the facts along with his pathetic record are exactly what they like about Obama. However, his record and the facts is exactly what needs to be shouted from the roof tops. We the people need the TRUTH for a change.
    Enough of the lies already.

    • Warrior

      The libs fear that mittens may destroy all the “crony capitalism” that this regime has put in place esp., the union dolts. Don’t worry, there will always be cronyism in ILL, NY and CALIF. It’s the way of life in those places.

      • deerinwater

        Warrior say; “The libs fear that mittens may destroy all the “crony capitalism”

        That is so incorrect ~ I have to call you on it Warrior.

        Mitt Romney embodies “crony capitalism” and the fear is, he will spread it like wild fire and these fears are justified by Mitt Romney past history of milking a business dry and then selling it off to some person willing to believe Mitt Romney that somehow it was worth buying.

        Mitt Romney is guilty of selling people ideas ~ some good ~ some outrageous.

        Why much are you willing to buy?

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    this is the reality;; the proof is in the pudding. obama has spoiled the recipe for recovery and growth;; it is not happening, except for the parts of the story libs can manipulate;; ie jobless claims, bailed out financials and hate mongering ……….

    • Smilee

      HOW????????????????

      • DaveH

        Your people have had 4 years, Smilee, and still the total number of employed people is less than when Obama took office. Do you guys ever throw in the towel and admit failure?
        And according to Shadowstats.com the unemployment rate is actually much higher than the 7+% that Government reports:
        http://www.shadowstats.com/article/employment

      • deerinwater

        That is not being very reasonable David ~ “WE PEOPLE”?? ~ O can’t get a Jobs bill though the Senate today.

        What have you done to create a job(s) David?

        As for myself, ~ I’ve let out work ~ just to keep my people busy. ~ I’ve engaged in things that had greater risk and less profits. I’ve started projects ~ that I would have preferred to do at a later date, not really wanting to spend the money at this point in time.

        WE People? ~ coming from you David , I would expect a more articulated statement.

        Why did I do these things? I could have just sit on my hands and watch the world pass by.

        I played the cards that I was holding ~ and stayed engaged in the game with hopes the next round of play might be better.

  • Flashy

    Mr. Root…I doubt you took any wagers when you tossed out your “odds on” status for Romney back in May and just a few weeks ago. If you had, I’d be interested in hiring you to mow my lawn when you go bust covering the wagers.

    You obviously were watching a different debate than the one actually performed and watched by 66 million Americans. Obama owned Romney the second debate. Slapped him down and kicked the carcass around the stage. Yes…President Obama is not perfect and neither is the record. But he’s a darn sight better than the offerings of the Right. They offer a return to the past….don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Americans by and large look forward. Obama presents optimism and a “can do” attitude. Romney offers…well….ummmm…just what does he offer anyhows other than promise to further entrench the wealth concentration in the top 1% ? .

    • Tree lady

      Flashy you must be high on kool aid and or watched a different debate than everyone else.
      Romney spoke of facts…..obummer continues to make up “his good deeds” and liberals support his lies……so flashy, just how much kool aid do YOU get from obummers hand outs that do not have to be worked for? When Ronmey was kicking obummer around to use your words, the liberal media came to his defense AGAINST THE RULES OF A DEBATE…..obummer can’t win on the truth…..lies all lies…..

      • Smilee

        JUST YOUR OPINION AND IT IS NOT CORRECT!!

      • deerinwater

        The Pinocchio Test
        Romney suggested during the debate that he took the initiative to find qualified female candidates for his administration by reaching out to women’s groups. But the women’s group that created the “binders” in question said it contacted Romney first, not the other way around. In fact, the organization said Romney signed their hiring-parity pledge while he was still campaigning in 2002.
        Overall, Romney seems to have embellished the story here, omitting the role of the women’s caucus in the female-hiring initiative. But he still worked with the women’s caucus and appointed lots of women to top-level positions. Given the passage of time since this incident took place, the gist of his anecdote isn’t totally off-base. The Republican candidate earns two Pinocchios.
        Two Pinocchios

        Mitt Romney wrongly claimed that it took 14 days for President Obama to brand the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya a terrorist act. Obama yet again claimed that ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars makes money available to “rebuild America,” even though it doesn’t.

        “Entitlement society.” Romney has argued that Obama “is replacing our merit-based, opportunity society with an entitlement society,” where “everyone is handed the same rewards, regardless of education, effort, and willingness to take risk.” As New York’s Jonathan Chait has observed, “This accusation is approximately as accurate as claiming that the Republican Party wants to pass laws forbidding poor people from making more money.” The idea that President Obama (or any Democrat) advocates for equality of outcomes simply lacks a basis in fact.

        Defense cuts. In an October speech on national security, Romney promised to “reverse President Obama’s massive defense cuts.” One problem: Pentagon spending has gone up under Obama, from $594 billion in 2008 to $666 billion. The 2011 request was for $739 billion. As Rick Perry would say, “Oops.”

        Obama’s jobs record. By Romney’s own logic (touting jobs created but ignoring jobs lost), his attacks on President Obama’s economic record are nonsensical. He told Time that Obama “has not created any new jobs,” and he told Fox News last week that Obama has “lost” 2 million jobs as president. This is indeed a net figure, but also a misleading one. When Obama took office, the economy was shedding jobs at a rate of nearly 1 million jobs per month, losing roughly 3 million during the first four months of 2009. But presidential policies don’t take effect as soon as the incoming chief takes his oath. Once Obama’s policies started to take effect, the trend turned. The country had added 3.2 million private sector jobs over the course of 22 straight months of private sector growth. By Romney’s definition, the president has created more than 3 million jobs—not enough, but also not none.

        In fact the biggest drag on job growth is the 600,000 public sector jobs that have disappeared under the auspices of budget austerity. As my colleague Danielle Kurtzleben reported in September, “government jobs are being shed by the tens of thousands almost every month, hindering an already weak recovery.”

        SO!~ For people that clamor for a smaller Government ~ Obama has delivered ~ To create jobs and downsize government at the same time is quite a feat. The grow of government during W’s tenure was large ~ hang-on and I’ll put W’s numbers numbers.

        Here they are; The public-sector story is much, much different.

        To date, government cutbacks have led to 590,000 public-sector jobs losses under Obama. That falloff is finally slowing, but it hasn’t reversed, and locked in austerity measures suggest it won’t any time soon. At this point in Bush’s first term, by contrast, he’d benefited from 716,000 public-sector jobs gains. And over his first full term he benefited from 900,000 gains, almost fully offsetting private-sector jobs losses.

        An enduring impediment to President Obama’s economic recovery has been the erosion of public-sector employment, driven largely by layoffs at the state and local levels. As we’ve noted before, this wasn’t a problem recent Republican presidents faced. Total government expenditures (federal, state and local) grew under Reagan and the two Bush presidents much more than it has under President Obama.

        Job growth under Bush was worst since WWII
        Jacksonville Business Journal by G. Scott Thomas
        Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009,

        President George W. Bush will leave office Tuesday with the worst employment-growth record of any president since World War II, according to a new analysis by Bizjournals.
        The nation’s job base grew at an annual rate of 0.28 percent during Bush’s eight years as president – by far the slowest pace for any of the 11 presidents in the postwar era, according to Bizjournals. Bizjournals is the online media arm of American City Business Journals, The Business Review’s parent company.
        The previous low had been set by Bush’s father, George H.W. Bush, with an annual job-growth rate of 0.59 percent. The elder Bush served between 1989 and 1993.

        ( if it wasn’t for the 900,000 jobs created by government during W, Bush 8 year term, George would have been tared and feathered)

        All said, Today we are making good long term progress on the job front without making the sized of government larger regardless what Mitt Romney says.

    • Patriot1776

      Flashy, at what point did “obama own Romney”? The point when Mr. Romney told obama to sit down and be quiet, and he did? The point when Mr. Romney pointed out the fact that obama was flat out lying about his calling the Libyan attack an acto of terro within 24 hours? Exactly at what point was it?

      • Warrior

        I think he meant to say, oblama owned “candy” or was it owes. Those two words can be taken out of context easily.

      • Flashy

        “Flashy, at what point did “obama own Romney”?” < Patriot

        Ummm…how about five minutes in when Romney began using body language that "told" he was on the defensive and lost out of his comfort zone?

        Y'all can try and twist the event as you may, fact is…Romney took it on the chin and was used to mop the floor. Right down to dissing the office of the Presidency when he had nothing left.

        Romney came across exactly how he is. A golden spooned guy who never had to work in his life, wouldn't know what working through blisters feels like, and is the epitome of the know nothing overbearing egotistical boss who everyone but himself knows as an idiot. Toss in some used car salesmanship..and there you have it.. nothing postive, nothing but criticism, no solutions….and everything he will do he'll tell us after the election. [comment has been edited]

        And that's the election…either a President who will continue to lead…or the boss who won't listen to anyone and leads by fear and intimidation

        Obama will take 312 in electoral votes…possibly 328 if the swing is caught. Any wagers I'm closer than Root? LOL

      • Patriot1776

        Flashy, do you know which candidate is which? You say “Romney came across exactly how he is. A golden spooned guy who never had to work in his life, wouldn’t know what working through blisters feels like, and is the epitome of the know nothing overbearing egotistical boss who everyone but himself knows as an idiot. Toss in some used car salesmanship..and there you have it.. nothing postive, nothing but criticism, no solutions….and everything he will do he’ll tell us after the election.” At least Romney has some work experience on his resume. Obama has never held a job in the private sector, went to private schools and Harvard. He has yet to have to earn his paycheck.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Only when Candy was holding Romney did Obama land any punches, and those actually had the effect of love taps. I don’t think Obama is masculine enough to actually cause any physical harm to a real man. Something you most likely don’t know anything about.

      • http://yahoo bobdavidson

        How did Booboo pay for his Harvard education ? Maybe as an exchange student.

    • http://WorldPress.com Fox59MVP

      Do you honetly call Hussein Obama ” a leader”?

  • bct

    It is time the truth comes out. The emperor has no clothes. It is time to take
    a closer look and realize promises don’t put food on the table. We can only
    support a person so long and they run out of our money. It is time to realize
    we made a mistake and maybe someone else can do a better job.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Who is we? Are you admitting to being a dupe, that voted for Communism, and then discovered you don’t like the way it works?

  • http://www.facebook.com/doesit.matter.946 DoesIt Matter

    We have watched the debates with a mix of curiosity and a quest for knowledge of exactly what our future will hold. Who is the better person? After watching the presidential & the vice presidential debate, it’s a no brainer. Romney is the most qualified, eloquent and presidential candidate for the job. He comes across as a real leader. He has a plan to help us. Obama has no plan other than borrow and spend. The taxes he will impose on us will crush us. We will go from middle class to poverty level in no time at all. This is why we MUST vote Obama out of office. He policies are not good for the American people. I want a better future, so I will be voting Romney/Ryan 2012. I do not believe or trust Obama. He has done an excellent job of racially dividing this country. Why?

    • Capitalist at Birth

      That is how Communism works.

      • http://yahoo bobdavidson

        Wait until he imposes the one percent tax on everything we do. Buy a car, sell a car, Cash a check ,make out a check , virtually short of breathing you wil pay a tax on it, Let the two J.J.s on this site defend Booboo s ripoff.p

  • Earth

    We are engaged in a struggle to raise humanity’s consciousness. That requires increasing individual awareness and breaking down paradigms – views of self and others. Because Jewish leaders have a stranglehold on global information dissemination most people and especially rank and file Jews, have a hard time seeing the truth, particulaly if they have been indoctrinated (mind controlled?) from birth. Accordingly the truth needs to be emphasised, in full. If no one explains how the Jewish “collective” operates, and its effects on humanity including on rank and file Jews themselves; AND the often subconscious part that rank and file Jews play in producing that effect, HOW WILL THEY KNOW?

    In my view you cannot be “half Jewish” any more than you can be half pregnant. In Jewish communities Talmudic ideology tends to be ingested like mother’s milk. The thing about mind control is that one doesn’t usually realise that it is happening. Sooo, should we just pretend that because many rank and file Jews are not aware (fully or even at all) of the part they play in the Jews’ global conspiracy against humanity, it isn’t happening? I don’t think so.

    That infamous Khazar George Bush Jnr. said, ‘those who are not for us are against us’. That is the classic Talmudist viewpoint. That viewpoint has strewn human history with goyim corpses in recent centuries as the Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, Poles, Japanese, Palestinians, Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghanis, Libyans, Syrians and many others can attest. In fact, in the last century Jews have made a good job of enslaving or destroying all whom they considered were against them, and others besides.

    I don’t apologise for drawing attention to these facts. Consciousness raising is about increasing awareness. To do that, the facts must be put in everyone’s face, which is difficult because Jews control most avenues of information transmission. Arguably, everyone needs to see what is happening and get an understandng of why it is happening. I think that applies especially to Jews. Pretending that most Jews are not part of the problem is, in my view, very much part of the problem. IF millions of Jews stopped supporting Holocaustianity, Israel, the anti-Semitism meme, political correctness FOR goyim (but not for Jews) and so on; and refused to follow Jewish leaders who marshal them as sayanim and hasbara to physically and politically dominate Palestine, the US and many other countries, our world would change over night. That is why I emphasis that the activities of the Jewish “collective” and goyim acceptance of those activities, constitute ‘the root of all evil’ on this planet.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are absolutely insane.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So you and your little Leftist gang/group plan to be messiahs of the earth by terrorizing, harassing and eliminating people. How very modern and new age you believe your views are, except that they are not new and there is nothing original in you, savage.

    • Ted G

      It really is an illness isn’t it…

    • eddie47d

      EARTH and Nadzieja are both insane in their comments. Earth, lay off the anti-Jewish diatribe which was more boring than enlightening!

    • Patriot1776

      So to “raise humanity’s consciousness” you are using racism, prejudice and hate against people of the Jewish faith?

  • Tom Cook

    Irony is what you are using to the max when you call obongo a trained attorney, adept at debate and a great talker. I realize that but the average American “educated” in our Federal school system has no concept of irony so I must remind them that obongo’s law school classmates have stated that he was lazy, stupid, and virtually useless. He is all about affirmative action. The President of the U. of Chicago School of Law has denied that obongo was an instructor in Constitutional Law–he was a second-rate pudknocker kind of substitute teacher. obongo is the fraud that the mass of proles in our nation who like the crowd before the emperor must be reminded: he has no intellectual clothing.

  • dan

    Mitt is certainly a kinder and gentler facilitator of the NWO….
    but it’s congress that has betrayed us

  • TML

    “Energy. Obama seemed to lay claim to being “the energy President.” Obama said he loves coal, oil, gas, all forms of drilling. Really? Romney hurt him with repeated body blows — all based on his own record. He pointed out that Obama is trying to destroy the coal business. He’s cut drilling permits by over 50 percent. He killed the Keystone pipeline. Romney even asked a simple but devastating question, “If your energy policy is so great, why have gas prices doubled?” That damn record.”

    So it’s not that Romney’s ideas were so great… you think Romney did well simply by shifting the focus. Coal, oil, and gas, are great, but they are a finite resource. There’s nothing wrong with thinking ahead to develop alternative sources of energy at the same time. And gas prices? Um… who ever don’t realize that gas prices will continue to go up regardless, simply because of it being a non-renewable finite resource (to say nothing of inflation), isn’t using working on all thrusters.
    ———-
    “Libya. Obama said he called it a “terror attack” in the Rose Garden the very next day. Really? Romney turned into prosecutor and faced Obama. He nailed him in a complete fabrication. The next day? But didn’t Obama wait 14 days to call it a “terror attack?” Didn’t he in fact blame a YouTube video? Didn’t he allow Susan Rice, the U.N. Ambassador, to claim on Sunday talk shows five days later that it was “a spontaneous protest?” Obama was outsmarted by Mitt. Caught in a lie with the Nation watching, Obama looked shocked and disgusted. That damn record.”

    Yes, the very next day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc
    The interesting thing to me is… why are people like you so eager, and so wanting, to call it a “terrorist attack”. The term is relatively meaningless. Whether it was a spontaneous protest turned into a deadly riot, or a planned revolt, I see no need to call it a “terrorist” attack. Anyone who does is a weak minded fool.
    ———-
    “Women’s rights. Obama scored points with his single mom story. Then he hit Mitt with contraception and Planned Parenthood. In a Presidential debate four years ago, with no record to defend, Obama would have knocked Romney out with women. But not this time. Not with that damn record — the millstone around his neck. Romney pointed out the record. Women have lost 580,000 jobs under Obama. Three point five million more women are in poverty. Romney pointed out that a strong economic recovery is the best answer to how we help women. Create an economy that is growing and creating jobs and businesses will jump to hire women, and offer flexible schedules. Obama is offering you free contraception, but no job. That’s a really bad tradeoff. That damn record.”

    The 580,000 number is completely wrong. It’s about half that. The economy has nothing to do with ‘women’s rights’.
    ———-
    “Guns. Obama was practically claiming to be “the pro gun President.” He said he’s a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. But that damn record got in the way again. At this moment, Obama became a joke. Romney didn’t need to say a thing. We were all laughing too hard at the lies this man tells. But just for good measure, Romney savaged him by bringing up the “Fast and Furious” gun scandal. He pointed out that it was the Obama administration that was selling guns and getting people killed. Oops. That damn record again.”

    But while Romney shuffled his feet and pointed at Obama, he refused to answer the question. The fact is Romney support the assault weapon ban…. Obama just outwardly admitted it. Romney’s record of gun control even in Massachusetts precedes him. And you’re blind enough to let him get away with that?
    ———-
    “The economy. Obama is good. If there was no record to defend, I have no doubt that 55 percent of American voters would choose his socialist pathway of big government, big taxes and big spending. But there’s that damn record to defend again. Romney took it to him. Twenty-three million unemployed. A drop in unemployment, only due to people losing hope and dropping out of the search for a job. Over 500,000 manufacturing jobs lost. A giant drop in income for middle class households. Anemic GDP growth. Worse growth this year than last year. You could see Obama thinking “That damn record is killing me.”

    Debt. Obama beat Romney up pretty good over the debt that his lower taxes might cause. Until Romney brought up Obama’s actual record.

    Obamacare. Romney took that myth out with one body blow. He pointed out that Obama promised healthcare costs would be down $2,500 per family during his first term, but costs are up $2,500 per family. That damn record.

    But forgot to point out he would do the same thing… he only want his name on it instead of Obama’s

    I think I’m seeing the trend here… weak minds only need to see Romney point the finger at Obama rather than actually add anything of substance from the details of his own ideas.

    You’re an establishment shill, Wayne.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are a fool. Oil, coal, natural gas are not finite. They are being created under the earths surface as we live and breath right now and until the end of time. Before you speak you may want to do a little more research and studying of the subject.

      • TML

        Sigh… of course they are being created under the Earth’s surface as we speak, but they are non-reproducible resources. The time it takes for these resources to form naturally, relative to our rate of consumption, renders them a finite resource. Granted, they have made very low quality coal in a lab which took one year to produce, but such venture is as impractical as producing ethanol.

        Perhaps you should learn to think about what’s actually being said.

      • DaveH

        TML says — “Sigh… of course they are being created under the Earth’s surface as we speak, but they are non-reproducible resources.”.
        Do you even proof-read what you say, TML? They are being created as we speak, but they’re non-reproducible?
        Think, man, think.

      • DaveH

        This may be what CC is talking about:
        http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/

      • TML

        DaveH says, “ Do you even proof-read what you say, TML? They are being created as we speak, but they’re non-reproducible?”

        Perhaps I should have said, non-renewable. I will now direct my last statement to you. Learn to think about what’s actually being said… as I clearly gave an example of the stuff being made in a lab.

      • TML

        DaveH says, “This may be what CC is talking about:
        http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/”

        That’s all fine and good, but as it’s just a theory, and gives no indication of the time required for such natural resource to form, it makes little impact on my point. When we discover a way to “re-produce” oil and other natural resources at the rate in which we consume them (and that rate grows every year), then you can get your panties in a wad if I repeat my statements here.

      • DaveH

        Switch non-reproducible with non-renewable still makes your claim illogical, TML. Try again.

        • Susan Atwood

          If they are being produced now until the end of time I would say there is no problem eith running out.

      • TML

        DaveH says, “Switch non-reproducible with non-renewable still makes your claim illogical, TML. Try again.”

        I think you’re having a reading comprehension problem, either that, or you’re intentionally side-stepping.
        We, nor the Earth, are capable of reproducing oil and other natural resources at a rate that matches our consumption.

      • TML

        “We, nor the Earth, are capable of reproducing oil and other natural resources at a rate that matches our consumption.”

        This means it is a finite resource. At current rates of consumption, and estimated constant growth of that consumption, it will disappear. And as the supply reduces, as demand goes up, the more the prices will rise.

        I’m all for drilling and using those resources while pursing ‘alternative energy’. I’m not nostalgic enough to be content with it sitting in the ground undeveloped. Doing so might reduce gas prices for a time, but the figure from Obama that current (ambitious) estimates of natural resources under our feet could last 100 years is roughly correct when we take into account the exponential function of constant growth. It would be a dubious ignorance indeed to blissfully ignore these facts and argue against development of alternative energy.

        Still, when it comes to gas prices, none of this takes into account inflation. (Notice neither candidate spoke a word about the private central bank that prints money like candy – the Federal Reserve; the real winner of the debates)

        So while you might be able to put a downward blip on the screen for gas prices by poking a lot of holes in the ground, the prices will ultimately continue to climb.

        It’s not rocket science.

      • DaveH

        TML says — “I think you’re having a reading comprehension problem, either that, or you’re intentionally side-stepping.
        We, nor the Earth, are capable of reproducing oil and other natural resources at a rate that matches our consumption”.
        Do I need to repeat your quote again, TML? Apparently:
        “of course they are being created under the Earth’s surface as we speak, but they are non-reproducible resources”.
        No, TML, my reading comprehension is quite good. It’s your writing skills that are lacking. And honesty.
        And for a thinking guy, you sure don’t think much. So what if we run out? According to the Liberal Progressives we are going to run out some day anyway. So somebody down the line will suffer unless we replace oil with some alternate energies. But that isn’t going to be accomplished in an efficient manner if we impoverish ourselves first by pouring good money into costly technologies prematurely.

        • Deerinwater

          OKAY? ~~ Who on First?

      • DaveH

        TML says — “We, nor the Earth, are capable of reproducing oil and other natural resources at a rate that matches our consumption”.
        Maybe my comprehension is bad because your comments are poorly written, TML.
        You sentence should have read “Neither we, nor the Earth, are capable…..”

    • vietnamvet1971

      I like Romney.

      • Jeff

        Maybe he’ll hire you to operate his car elevator.

      • Flashy

        Jeff…in the GOP world (and Romney’s new house) , the luxury cars get the elevator…labor gets the shaft.

      • DaveH

        Flashman,
        You’re a smart guy (at least in your own mind). Why don’t you Liberal Progressives start your own businesses so you can prove your worth the voluntary way, instead of taking from others?

    • eddie47d

      Thank You TML.

    • DaveH

      TML says — “The 580,000 number [of lost jobs for women] is completely wrong”.
      According to BLS figures:
      In January of 2009 (Obama takes office) the non-farm number of employed women was 66,122,000.
      In July of 2012 (latest actual figures) the non-farm number of employed women was 65,690,000.
      That adds up to a loss of 432,000 jobs for women since Obama took office.

      • TML

        DaveH “According to BLS figures:
        In January of 2009 (Obama takes office) the non-farm number of employed women was 66,122,000.
        In July of 2012 (latest actual figures) the non-farm number of employed women was 65,690,000.
        That adds up to a loss of 432,000 jobs for women since Obama took office.”

        Well, I’m not about to haggle over whether 290,000 jobs for ‘women’ were lost, versus 580,000 (which is a 148,000 difference from you figure here) – the point is taken that jobs have been lost. However, my point of the matter was that women’s jobs have nothing to do with “women’s rights”.

        And for those not thinking about what’s actually being said… the only time women’s rights would have something to do with jobs is if they [women] were not allowed to work simply because they are women.

      • DaveH

        Do I need to remind you, TML, that you said WAR’s figure was “completely wrong”?
        Ironically, the actual figure I posted was almost right in the middle of the 580,000 that Wayne claimed and the 290,000 that you claimed.

  • http://www.bomaakainy.com Boma Akainy

    Don’t forget that it was Bush that placed us in this mess.Obama/ Badin 2012!!! Read my lips!

    • Netterella

      Don’t forget it was Bush’s democrat congress that got us in this mess! Obama was on a senate that voted for the very things he is complaining about! He put himself into the mess he’s in and has dug himself deeper and deeper!!

      • Warrior

        Don’t forget, it was the neighborhood “reinvestment act” or affordable housing or affordable health care or whatever other “affordable progressive” program these creatures come up with. This is where all the problem’s lie. We never could nor will we be able to “afford” their programs. Get an education and go out and get yourself a job. If you didn’t build it, you have no one else but yourself to blame. Period! Out with all progressives.

      • eddie47d

        It was Wall Street Speculators and Banksters who drove up the housing market which gave them a false pricing. How did those greedy Capitalist work out for you? They keep making things unaffordable for the Middle Class yet you want more. You seem to have your own devils you like to sleep with Warrior.

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “It was Wall Street Speculators and Banksters”.
        No, it was Government (including it’s Federal Reserve) meddling in the Marketplace that drove up the prices.
        But feel free to tell us, Eddie, how the Speculators and Banksters accomplished that.

      • eddie47d

        If that needs explaining ( Wall Street) to you Dave then you aren’t near as smart as you let on.

      • DaveH

        Sure, Eddie. Do you really think you’re fooling anybody?

        • Deerinwater

          “Don’t forget it was Bush’s democrat congress that got us in this mess! ”

          Well, that’s a bit oversimplified ~ just tell us how simple you plan to get before we expand on such a statement. Time is limited.

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          Neither extortion nor blackmail require a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion. Such threats include the filing of reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police, revelation of damaging facts (such as pictures of the object of the extortion in a compromising position), etc.

    • John Woodbury

      Good God, where have you been. Hello Boma, it is 2012. Even if Bush had caused the housing crash, it has been 4 years. But both Bush and McCain went to congress and pleaded with them to fix Freddy and Fannie, but in your rear Frank told them nothing as wrong. Enough mistakes were made by both parties, the blame is bipartisan, the problem is Obama has not made the system better. That is right, the Obama administration is putting pressure on banks to make the same sub-prime loans that caused the bubble in the first place.

      • http://www.bomaakainy.com boma akainy

        It took 8yrs for Bush to turn us upside down,it will take more than 8yrs to fix it.So you really think that ”Meat Ron” would become the president and all the mess that Bush started would magically disappear? Lol…I don’t think so. Mr Obama/Badin will stay 4 more years to continue the clean up.YOu can be mad at yourself for all i care. Here comes Obama 2012!!!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Actually Bush’s contribution to the economic problems we face is small compared to Bill Clinton’s. Look it up. Oh, I’m sorry , you can’t read. “Glass Steagall Act” signed into law in 1933. Revoked in 1999-2000, Community Reinvestment Act, signed into law by Jimmy Carter (second to worst President behind Barrack Obama, F.D.R., Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and Herbert Hoover) and dusted off by Clinton, and threats made by Janet Reno to sick the I.R.S. onto all of the big banks if they did not start loaning money to unqualified borrowers (inner city minorities) with legal actions that would cost them more than they could afford. I bought a home in 1991 and the minimum down was 10%. In 2000 you did not have to have a down payment and in fact could borrow up to 110% of the properties appraised value, and did not have to have enough income to make the payments. Were you asleep. It was caused the Housing Bubble. I kept telling people not to borrow more than 70 % of their homes value on their refinancing escapade, because they would loose 20 % of their homes value when the bubble would burst. You were probably one of the dolts who refused to see it coming.

      • DaveH

        The Glass Steagall Act (also known as the Banking Act of 1933) was merely a political maneuver by the Rockefeller Empire to hobble the Morgan Empire. Read this to get a greater understanding (pages 308 to 330):
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

        • Jeff

          Dave:

          Not everything written by an Austrian is worth reading. Glass-Steagall and the rest of the regulatory apparatus put in place by FDR served us quite well. We had no banking crises for more than 50 years until the start of the deregulation mania with Reagan. First the S&L crisis because of lax regulations, then the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then, like clockwork, another 1929-style crash. I don’t know if Dodd Frank is strong enough to prevent another crash (I suspect it isn’t.) but without real regulation on Wall Street, it is a certainty we will have another 1929/2008 event in the near future. But you’ll be able to blame it on Obama. Or FDR.

          The Austrians just want your MONEY, Dave.

      • DaveH

        Your ignorance knows no bounds, Jeff. We have had nothing but banking problems throughout the history of the Federal Reserve. You’d know that if you read any of the Austrian Economists that you prefer to disparage with no knowledge whatever of their beliefs.

        • Jeff

          Here is a list of the banking crises in the 20th Century:

          20th century
          Panic of 1907, a U.S. economic recession with bank failures
          Great Depression, the worst systemic banking crisis of the 20th century
          Secondary banking crisis of 1973–1975 in the UK
          Japanese asset price bubble (1986–2003)
          Savings and loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s in the U.S.
          Finnish banking crisis of 1990s
          Swedish banking crisis (1990s)
          Venezuelan banking crisis of 1994
          1997 Asian financial crisis
          1998 collapse of Long-Term Capital Management
          1998 Russian financial crisis
          Argentine economic crisis (1999–2002)
          1998–99 Ecuador banking crisis

          Note that in the U.S., post-Depression we had no crises until the S&L crisis in the late 80s. That means FDRs reforms prevented crises for 55 years. If there are other crises, please inform us.

        • Jeff

          Dave:

          Here’s a list of 20th Century banking crises. Please note the absence of U.S. crises between the Depression and the S&L Crisis of the late 80s. That means 55 years crisis-free thanks to the reforms put in place by FDR. Since the deregulation religion started by Reagan, boom and bust seems to be back – with a vengeance.

          20th century
          Panic of 1907, a U.S. economic recession with bank failures
          Great Depression, the worst systemic banking crisis of the 20th century
          Secondary banking crisis of 1973–1975 in the UK
          Japanese asset price bubble (1986–2003)
          Savings and loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s in the U.S.
          Finnish banking crisis of 1990s
          Swedish banking crisis (1990s)
          Venezuelan banking crisis of 1994
          1997 Asian financial crisis
          1998 collapse of Long-Term Capital Management
          1998 Russian financial crisis
          Argentine economic crisis (1999–2002)
          1998–99 Ecuador banking crisis

          If you can add to our collective knowledge of banking crises, please do so.

    • vietnamvet1971

      Landslide, face Reality. Romney / Ryan Real True Americans.

      • eddie47d

        Landslide? Not a chance! If Wall Street clone Romney is a true American in the financial sense we are really in big trouble. Considering how he gained his wealth and how Wall Street took us down.

  • Stephanie

    Great article! To those above, one point I would like to make is this: If Obama is so FOR everyone being on level playing fields then why does he not give everything he owns to the poor, then they can all have the same? Because he only believes that everyone ELSE should be level, but he himself should be a millionaire above the rest. Mr. Romney gave more to the poor in charity in a year than Obama will in 10. Don’t sit there spouting how terrible Mr. Romney is, he is the one man who has the intelligence to get this Country out of the mess Mr. Obama has put us in! But, it was Mr. Obama’s plan all along. First destroy the family and churches, then you can take them over by dangling some free stuff under their noses. Too bad he forgot about those of us who will die before giving up our guns and bibles! THANK GOD FOR MR. ROMNEY!!! And GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

    • Mohan

      Day dreaming again

    • Don

      AMEN to you, Stephanie !!!

    • eddie47d

      Obviously Romney has far more money to give than Obama Stephanie. I’m more concerned in the manner Romney achieved his wealth not how much he has. NO ONE makes that kind of money and does it honestly like Bain and Romney did! It may be legal but very dishonest.

  • http://www.authorsden.com/visit/author.asp?id=3199 David Taylor

    The people that matter, and the people watching this debate, are the Undecideds. Its fingernails-on-chalkboard to me, but it is what it is. These people are not operating from a clearly defined set of principled values, they’re just good people trying to do the right thing. They’ve got lives, and they’ve been living them, and now they’re pulling themselves out of that life and looking at something they don’t really care about. If they really thought about it, they would realize that they want government out of their lives, but the noise of popular culture and media is not conducive to this. They’ve seen and heard the ads from both sides, and now they’re seeing the individuals. Like all media events, appearance trumps everything else, and that Romney does not appear to be the two-headed monster portrayed by Obama and the Talking Heads, is dimly lighting off in those Undecided Voters who want to get back to their lives.

    Politics is the art of the Possible, and timing, knowing when to act and how to act, is apart of the art. I’m not talking about the candidates, I’m speaking to you rendarsmith. One of these two people debating are going to be the next president of the Unites States. Its not going to be the Libertarian candidate, Green Party, Peace and Freedom, no. Its going to be Romney or Obama. Pick one. Voting for another is just a little better than not voting at all.

  • momtokippy

    Wow talk about koolaid. Wayne has lost all perspective. They are both liars and losers. We all lose no matter what.

    • roger

      Amen to that!! The ultimate irony; is asking the government to fix the problems that THEY CREATED. Go ahead and vote…………

  • Mikey

    I don’t watch the debates, because I don’t think it matters which Ken doll is elected. But the consensus after Debate II was that Obama won handily. Is your article an accurate assessment of the facts or an after-the-fact attempt to rehabilitate Romney by pointing out how he might have won, if he’d landed all the shots he could have?

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      what did obama win???? Duh!! He never answered any questions..he lied about everything..He just rattled on and on the same nonsense all debate long..He had his as-s handed to him by romney!PERIOD!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So you didn’t watch the debate to make sure what things were said, but then you become such a trusting little soul to believe other people with an agenda that said that O won the debate.You are willing yourself to be a dupe?

      • eddie47d

        I watched both debates and Romney won the first and Obama won the second. No one has to lie about that fact.

        • Nick Czudy

          Eddie.
          ditto. I agree with you. Romney won the first one, big time, but Obama definitely won this one. I would score it 60 to 40. Romney had his memorized points and was a little too eager to use them. When he looked for a place to use them, he blew it. He put his foot in his mouth a few times. That took the wind out of his sails. the women binder and Speech in the Rose Garden part, killed him.

      • DaveH

        Here is the entire debate for those who would like to make up their own minds:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEpCrcMF5Ps

  • Earth

    @Capitalist at Birth
    You have not once contributed anything of substance.
    Your best and only contributions are insults.
    Does not say much about you.
    Limited intelligence to the level of Jerry Springer audience and trailer trash.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I will take Capitalist at Birth words over yours any time, Earth. Substance is a subjective word to use, so it can mean anything or nothing.

  • Mohan

    U guys are day dreaming. TKO OBAMA ; Its quite clear how Mitt planning to TKO All americans.

  • Netterella

    I thought it was a great article! Whether Romney or Obama won or lost the debate is obviously a matter of who’s commenting and it really doesn’t matter. The important thing is that everything listed in this article is true…whether you choose to believe it or not. Obama has nothing to run on. He ran on “Hope and change” last election, and we got change, alright! A change that is running this country into the ground. His policies have failed and yet he wants to continue on with the same policies. What happens when he taxes the rich so much that they no longer have anything left to give? What happens and where are we then? Look around you and be grateful for what you have. Don’t try to throw it away!

    Anyone that thinks they are going to be saved with Obamacare better do some deeper research. You just might be amazed at what those 2700 pages contain…and a lot of it has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. Romney was right when he said that it’s costing American’s more money. It is! And it will continue on and on.

    I urge you to look closely at the candidates. Many things that Obama says Romney “will do” are things that he’s doing himself! Romney has been painted to be a monster by the Obama campaign, yet if you look at the things he wants to do and has done in the past, you’ll find that he’s right on track. He’s someone that wants to put this country back on track and he knows how to do it. Look at his record in Massachusetts…he knows what he’s talking about!! (I know this is where some of you will interject with his own healthcare program in his state. His program works on a state level. We have a great healthcare program in our state, too, but it’s becoming worse and worse BECAUSE of Obamacare)

    I could go on and on, but I urge you to do your own research. Find out the truth. Let’s put someone in there who loves this country and is proud to be an American and what it stands for. Let’s not continue to throw away everything we’ve worked so hard to achieve until we have nothing left. God bless the United States of America!

    • Don

      Netterella, you are so right, also whoever wins should have a wife who is proud of this country !!!!

  • vietnamvet1971

    The Chant until the Election is: “That Damn Record” ! And no where to Hide.

  • vietnamvet1971

    I will Vote for the Mormon and not the Moron!

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      I totally agree with you!!!

  • Tag

    Unfortunately, there are sheeple out there that will vote obbumer anyway – just because he’s black and they want that imagined ‘self esteem’ his presidency seems to provide [comment has been edited] black folk! Of course that is a phony attitude since you cannot gain self esteem from another persons accomplishments, that has to come from your OWN successes! But, if you want to live in a fantasy and dream world then you make up these fairy tales about how great obummer is – he’s a loser, folks, just like he was as senator of Illinois – he didn’t perform there either and if hadn’t been for Sen. Kennedy he wouldn’t have made it as far as he did – good ole TED, you remember, Chappaquidick? Drowning, death? TED Kennedy was abummers mentor – and to correct a statement in this article – obummer is NOT an attorney any more – he surrendered his license to practice law when he and that [comment has been edited] bride of his went to work in the Chicago mayors office after he allegedly got out of law school – both of them did – that is where she and obummer met! Obummer is a product of the most corrupt city in the USA and the most corrupt county (Cook County) in the USA, bar none! The entire state of Illinois is corrupt! That is how they operate and now that corruptness has filtered down into Madison County, who is now the 2nd. most corrupt county if Illinois! Of the last nine govenores for Illinois – SIX (6) ARE IN FEDERAL PRISON! Way to go, guys!

  • James Corbin

    I am a Democrat, but I will not vote for Obama, he had his chance and couldn’t do the job’ He has never ran anything. A Rookie Community Organizer. Before that he was with the most ratical people (American Haters ) and Birds of A Feather Flock together. He lies, if you pay attention he will say one thing and something else another time. We are so far in debt—–Now Bush gave us some debt but Obama, has made more debt than all the presidents in history!!!! When he goes against Israel, which he is doing—-proves something to me——-Israel isn’t a muslim nation!!!!!!!! Don’t play politics!!
    STEPHANIE, Thank God for people like you have the right Idea!

  • Momforfreedom

    For those who think Obama’s raising of the 47% quote was a brilliant blow against Romney, consider this: the quote to which he referred had nothing to do with the groups of people the President lumped together in his remarks. Romney was talking about the percentage of people who he knew were already decided and would vote for Obama no matter what. It had nothing to do with who they were, their race, gender, religion, or financial situation. He was merely talking about the people who had, according to all polling data, wouldn’t vote for a Republican under any circumstances – and his percentage number was provably accurate. He was saying there was no point in wasting time trying to get them to change their minds about voting for him, but that he needed to concentrate more on the undecided voters and strengthening his established based of supporters. If you think I’m making this up, try getting a full transcript or audio (sound-byte?) of that incident. You’ll hear what I heard, and not the spin put on it by Obama and his media with their misleading ads and his flat-out untruthful interpretation at the debate. What I find most interesting, however, is how, like a true coward, Obama waited until the last minute – when he knew Romney would have no chance for a rebuttal – to make his incendiary and dishonest remarks about that 47% out-of-context quote.

    With regard to the other “blow” against Romney about the statements made in the Rose Garden, it has now been acknowledged, even by the liberal media, that Candy Crowley’s support – something she wasn’t supposed to lend – was totally misplaced and erroneous: Romney was correct, and Obama lied. But again, it was done quickly, like a stealth strike, and Romney was given no chance to have anyone do a fact-check on HIS behalf. And then, to cement the emotional backlash among the live audience as well as the TV one, someone started to applaud. That’s a major no-no, and had it been one of the chosen members of that audience who started it, he or she would have been expelled for breaking the rules. But it wasn’t. It was Michelle Obama. She Who Is Above Every Law, our own version of Eva Peron. So of course she got away with it.

    In both instances, cowardice and “cheating” made the President look like he scored winning points. But in reality, all he did was show how very small he his, and that the only “great” thing about him is his cowardice.

    Okay, trolls. You may start calling me names now. Because – like Obama – you’re cowards who know I have no idea who you are and can’t do anything about what you say. But that’s all right. As an American, I will still defend your right to say whatever you feel or whatever makes you feel better. Go for it. In the meanwhile, I have things to do. Thanks for listening.

    • Jeff

      Mom:

      If you have daughters, you’ll be very happy with Romney as Misogynist-In-Chief. Let’s see. He wants to abolish healthcare, “get rid of” planned parenthood, he’s against the fair pay act, and he’s in favor of the Blunt Amendment allowing employers to taylor the health plans offered employees to the employer’s personal morality.

      Romney is an extraordinarily dishonest politician. Obama has no choice but to call him on his constantly shifting positions. He invents stuff on the fly. Anything to make the sale. He reminds me of the guy up front at an Amway meeting. Sorry, not buying the detergent.

      • Momforfreedom

        And so it begins. Tell me – when and where exactly did Romney ever say he wants to “abolish health care”? Sorry, but that’s the most ignorant statement of misinformation I’ve heard since, well, since Obama’s nonsense at the debate.

        As for Planned Parenthood, he can’t get rid of them, just stop the government-funded part of their income (for those of us whose daughters don’t need their services, we might not want our tax dollars used to pay for some of those services). They charge for abortions, so they do make enough money to stay in business. Nothing Romney or anyone else does can take out a private company….oh, wait. Didn’t Obama already do something like that, thus overstepping his authority as President?

        Regarding the Blunt Amendment, if the employer is paying for that coverage, why on earth shouldn’t they have a say in what it covers? And by the way, if it’s birth control you’re worried about, good grief, just go to Walmart and look at the signs in their pharmacy section. I don’t know about where you live, but here, you can get it for nine dollars a month. Heck, if a girl can’t afford that, she has no business having unprotected sex – actually, no one should have unprotected sex anyway, but I guess that involves that elusive commodity: common sense.

        As for Romney’s shifting positions, what politician doesn’t do that? Are you saying Obama never did? Like about, oh, I don’t know, gay marriage? Hmm. Closing Gitmo? Ah. I do believe the list goes on. And while yes, all politicians engage in prevarication-for-personal-power, some of the so-called shifting on Romney’s part is the result of a false image of him presented by Obama’s media. Not all (I’m really not stupid), but some. Just sayin’. Thanks for taking the time to respond, though. ‘)

    • Netterella

      Great points, Momforfreedom. Thank you!

    • Jeremy Leochner

      The first thing I would point out is the issue with Mr. Romneys comment about the 47 percent is not about him saying 47 percent of Americans pay no income tax. The issue is with the fact that he went on to say that the people who pay no federal income tax are dependent on government and will never learn personal responsibility. The problem is the group of people who pay no federal income tax include The elderly, Military Veterans, Current Armed Forces Personnel stationed in Afghanistan who are exempt from paying federal income tax on combat pay as well as people on disability. -http://nationaljournal.com/politics/commentary-four-graphs-to-explain-the-47-percent-
      20120918

      So the issue is not that Romney said 47 percent pay no federal income tax. Its that he equates paying no federal income tax with dependency and laziness. And he was being honest because as he says he “speaking off the cuff”-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/mitt-romney-47-percent_n_1941423.html

      Second personally I feel the moderator was correct to fact check Mr. Romney. Mr. Romney admitted that President Obama called it an act of terror in the rose garden and then attempted to say it took Obama 14 days to call it a an act of terror. He was contradicting himself and the moderator pointed it out. It was not that she was helping Obama. She was doing what a moderator should do. Hold the speakers accountable for what they say during the debate.

  • Netterella

    Thank you, Stephanie. Well said!

    Not only does Romney give so much to charity, but he has also paid a heck of a lot in taxes. People may say that he only paid 14% but that 14% in 2011 was $1,935,708. In 2010 and 2011 combined, Romney paid a total of $4,945,474! Nearly $5M!! That’s a LOT of tax money. Looks to me like he’s carrying a lot of it for the rest of us! 47% of the people in this country do not even pay ANY income tax, yet they complain that Romney ONLY pays 14%??? What people do not understand is that Romney has already paid taxes on his money. Then he turns around and invests that money and when he takes it out, people think he should be expected to pay a higher tax on it again?? Now he’s paid 15% on these investments, and he will turn around and invest them again. And he will pay another 15% on those investments when we pulls them out again. (Of course, Obama thinks he should pay 39% or higher) There’s a big difference in investments…and if investments are taxed higher, people will not be as willing to invest their money. That’s where the downfall begins and the stock market bottoms out.

    I also love the line when people talk about Romney’s investments in other countries. Did you notice how fast Obama got Crowley to change the subject in the debate? Of course, Obama didn’t want to talk about HIS own investments because then the American people would find out that he has investments in other countries, as well. SO WHAT!?! Why not invest $$ in other countries. At least you’ll get some return on it. That’s more than can happen here because the value of the dollar is dropping so quickly.

    Like I’ve said before, if people would do their research, they could find out all these things for themselves instead of just being a puppet on a string.

  • Dan

    Reading through the comments, it’s plain to see that Obama’s got the moron vote sewed up…

  • Margo

    “””No one has EVER been able to go into the ring with Obama — the heavyweight talker — and “take it to him.” Knock him out. Leave him reeling. Leave him shaking and breathless from body blows. Until Mitt Romney.”””

    This is utter BS. Everybody knows Ron Paul can.. and has. Ron Paul has trampled Mitt Romney under foot plenty of times.

    Get a life, dude!

    • Don

      Margo, obviously not, Ron Paul wasn’t even considered, even though there could be a spot for him, but not for Prez !

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Ron Paul may not have been considered but that does not mean that his ideology is wrong for this country. It is a loss to this nation that we have not considered him to be a better man to lead us.
        What is really telling about the choices that are set before us is the uncertainty we are showing.

  • http://WorldPress.com Fox59MVP

    I love reading this daily because it’s amazing to me to see how many idiots there are out there that still support Hussein Obama. I’m not a Republican, nor am I a Democrat. I take pride in being an Independent. So that’s my label. And this “race” should be the furtherest thing from becoming a popularity contest. But for all the Gaults, K. G.’s, and Johnnys out there, can you be serious? Can you look at Hussein Obama and vote to re-elect that pompous idiot? Folks, you are brainwashed! The fool has done absolutely nothing to deserve to be re-elected. No budget ever submitted, debts running up faster than any time in the history of our country, seemingly takes great pride in dividing our country, and, yet, he’s right about one thing…..he has reduced the numbers of our middle class…because much of our middle class has been moved to the lower “poverty” class. If Charlie McCarthy, Mortimer Snerd, or Clarabelle the Clown were running against Hussein Obama, they would get my vote over that destructive human being. I grew up in the Democratic party, as my grandfather, father, etc. were all Democrats. But ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a vote for the re-election of Hussein Obama would be akin to being un-American. As Democrats, come together and and objectively look at the FACTS, say to yourselves it is time to punt this year, and go find a worthy candidate in 2016, because if you continue to support Hussein Obama for this election, you will live to regret your decision. What does it take to make you look at the FACTS. Stop kidding yourselves and get off this me vs. you popularity contest. For America’s sake!

  • Randy Zee

    Whatta load of Rupert Murdoch penned hogwash. Of course, if I was a tax dodging hedge fund crook, I would love Romney. NOT. Just ask the folks at Bainport.com (Senestra Corp) in Freeport Illinois whose jobs are going to China. They had to train their Chinese counterparts and Bain has eliminating their severance pay on top of it! Look it up.
    Romney the liar. He could care less about the middle class after he gets their ill-informed votes.

    • http://WorldPress.com Fox59MVP

      I ask you one question: does your belief put you in the Hussein Obama camp by default?
      If it does, I must add you to the list of Gaults and “Jonnnys”. I love Ron Paul, yet we cannot revert to isolation as a country. We’re too inter-connected these days. The world has shrunk.
      It’s time to try and come together and figure out what we need and who to give our support to in 2016.
      But in the meantime, let’s try to salvage as much of the middle class as we can.
      And I truly believe whoever is writing under the pen, The Christian American, is correct when it is said that Hussein Obama hates America. We may not like the choices we have, but for America’s sake we cannot afford to re-elect Hussein Obama!

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    He calls it record, I call it resume’s. As I look at each one’s resume’, not only would I not hire either of them, I’d through them out of my business. Obama’s one of lies and deceit, getting ahead because of who knows not what he knows. He’s a cover on a can full of worms. Nothing coming out is palatable and good for the business he is hell bent to run. He looks into the eyes of his potential employers and searchs them for what they want hear, not should hear for the betterment of our country. If the country goes down in flame he’ll be their fiddling when it does. In actuality, he hates America and wants to reek his vengance on it if he can’t have it his way. Humility? what’s that?

    On the other hand, Romney is a fascist, (private ownership / governmen control). He believes in the CEO approach to government. When he blowa da whis, all of us do as we are told. You will prosper and be happy under his rules, like it or not. Don’t ask, do as your told. He’ll replace Christ as the emmisary between God and the people. Will either of them be ruled by the people’s Constitution? Don’t make me laugh. The Constitution as orginally written gives the people liberty, moral freedom and we can’t have that can we? It was said: The first signs of illegitimacy in government is the people’s fear of the government and the governments fear of the government. Sound familiar? We were drowning and denied the boat called Ron Paul. Not to loose all hope, God is still there. Repent Him and become a Christian soldier. Where there is God, there is hope.

  • Joe V

    Mr. Leochner’s response was thoughtfully written and truthful. It’s amazing to me how so many people stick their head in the sand of the ostriches and only come out when it’s time to hear what they want to hear.

  • http://n/a DaleH

    In reply to uworld on his NO Draft statement—-I believe the law is still in effect that every man when he turns 18 has to REGISTER for the draft–it is true we do not have a draft actully operating ,but Americans still have to register for the draft—years ago (1961)after serving 10 years in the Marine Corps, I had to register for the draft even though I had no obligated Military service to serve—-am not sure if women have to register or not now –maybe someone has that info—

    I also believe that to be quaified to run for the Presidency of this great country or any other Federal office a person should have to serve at least one enlistment in the MIlitary–Enlisted or Officer would do , but preferably as Enlisted— ( Men and Women)m Just my belief —-

  • http://godfatherpolitics.com/4260/us-president-commander-in-chief-congress-calls-him/ Andrew Jackson

    SociaIism has never worked any where in the would it isn’t defencable. SociaIism always looks good, free meals, free rent, free food, free schools, until someone has to pay for it, and like Margret Thatcher said, SociaIism works great until you run out of other people’s money.
    Anyone running for president on SociaIism would look good and talk good until the facts come in 4 years later, because it doens’t work, and can’t work.

  • http://godfatherpolitics.com/4260/us-president-commander-in-chief-congress-calls-him/ Andrew Jackson

    SociaIism has never worked any where in the would it isn’t defensible. SociaIism always looks good, free meals, free rent, free food, free schools, until someone has to pay for it, and like Margret Thatcher said, SociaIism works great until you run out of other people’s money. Don’t forget the 3rd person in the ring called Romney, Romley and hook punched him when he wasn’t looking, for 0bama at the beginning of the first round, before the fight statred..
    Anyone running for president on SociaIism would look good and talk good until the facts come in 4 years later, because it doens’t work, and can’t work.

  • davep

    Obama never had any record” but he does now and the majority of the people see him now as the distasteful [comment has been edited] liar that he really is.

  • Manuel

    Come on Obamer won the debate!

    No doubt

    It is now three fall to two

    The best the Republicons can hope for is a tie

    With Mondays final debate coming up

    And I don’t think when it comes down to lever turning time at the polls,,,,

    A real CONservative will no hold his nose and vote for a Non Christian

    Sorry to say

  • tim

    I’ll give you one regulation that obamas epa came up with and this is just one out of about 20 in the refrigeration, air conditioning and heating business. Once again R22 refrigerant has been attacked by the gov’t with no proof of damage to the ozone. This has cost customers million upon millions of dollars. Not counting what it has done to the businesses that use this product. More regulations on tracking costing additional hours for employers, cost doubling and shortages because production was cut 45% during the peak months of summer when this procuct is needed most!!!!! This additional cost is taxes that goes to the epa!!!!! Obama is a clown and knows nothing about businesses or the economy!!

    • http://google redbull

      Tim, another Obama EP ruling is against food producers is, if your tractor is over 10 years old, or doesnot have a teir4 motor, they will come on your place and charge you, to put the device on your tractor Also if you are pinching pennies and putting salvage mototors in your John Deere tractors, because it isn’t EPA approved you will be fined and possibility jail besides. No warrant to cross on to your private property. When I callled EPA and asked what the heck we were supposed to do with our tier 3 motors that are 3 years old. Scrape them a eat the loss, $30,00 operating engine going to China. When different neighbors heard ans seen the notice, said they thought this was USA not Obama’s vaction buddies countries, Russa, Venala , Iran, or any other3rd world camel dung heap.

  • Gary Wilde

    The only thing we get from this president is if somthing goes wrong or is not working blame somone else. If somthing goes right then take creditfor it. There is one problem with his way of thinking. Under President Obama nothing has gone right. If the American people are not smart enough to get rid of him then we deserve what we get.

  • Alex

    Here is a good for you, Wayne Roots—campaign contributions from our military favor President Obama over Mitt Romney by TWO-to-ONE!!

    Even our soldiers know that the Reich Wing GOP has its greedy eyes on more WAR!!

    • Patriot1776

      That is why the administration is trying to limit the military vote?

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      Are you nuts? The military hates obooboo.

      • Deerinwater

        “Are you nuts? The military hates obooboo.”

        So you say.

        So tell us, ~~~~when has it been that what you say been real?

        When Santa showed up at Wall Mart?

  • norml1

    VOTING FOR ROMNEY/RYAN, if elected, would have to be a vote for lower government spending.1) what is gonna be the price for a replacement AirForce 1 airplane, it’s worn out. I’m hearing they have to change the tires on it every other day due to the usage it’s getting from the Obama clan.2) the American taxpayer has paid over 1.2 BILLION w/ a B on Michelle and B’s outings $50,000 per week at Martha’s vinyard? $3,000 + per nite in Aspen? How much is that Vodka, Michelle? $800. bottle? Well, Hell go ahead, you deserve it!!!!!!! You’re the First Lady, everybody knows the First Lady need to buy $50,000 of Victoria’s Secret seductive items in one shopping spree.(now did we buy them , the american people, or did they go on your personal platinum American Express card?

    Wow, I have a daughter and wife and I’m Really looking foreward to the money I’m gonna save when we’re all living under SHARIA LAW. I’ll be able to save money by keeping my wife & daughter from going out at night, or driving a car, or going to school, or going out to vote, or doing anything that I don’t want them to. I JUST CAN”T WAIT FOR THE DEM”S TO RE_ELECT Obama. This next 4 years will be when you see the FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE that you DEM’s are just dying for!!!!
    Like Pelosi said,”Pass ObamaCare so you can read what’s in it ,after it’s passed!!!”

    This last 4 years have been “a walk in the park” compared to what’s gonna come about in the next 4. O’s already said that gas is gonna go to 8 buck a gallon so get ready, it will.

    Make sure those native plants you’re gonna be eating , haven’t been sprayed w/ agent orange, especially if you’re a Christian. Muslims don’t seem to care much for christians, as I hear it something in their bible says to Kill christians and jews , I’m sure that’s not true, aren’t you Dem’s.

    well got to go(need to look for a nice quiet place that’s receptive to poor , middle class Americans who speak English and willing to work for a living) Just in case O gets elected

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      Well said , get this clown ouy of office.

  • Sophia Lord

    The writer is delusional. Everyone knows Obama won by a wide margin. Yet the elites prefer to stick to the lie like they did for bush and the weapons of mass destruction for years. This writer along with FOX News is out a touch with a reality.

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      What did that loon use on the Kurds ,Raid ,,?”That he killled thousands you dope.That is what you call weapons of mass des.

  • http://google Amores

    If you love Obama you have to read his book “The Dram Of My Father” or you have to buy the movie “2016″ The movie is based mainly in the Obama’s book. If you do not like Obama, you too have to read his book. All the answers are there very clear. If you want to know what will be USA if Obama is reelected, the answer is in his book with his own words. (Frank Marshall Davis, Alinsky, Soros, etc. ec.) And don’t forget to read where he sais that his Kenyan father participated in the II World War (1939-1945) All is in his book by his own words. Read it!!!

  • Rene

    No one but Romney has had an oportunity to go rounds with Obama in a debate, there are plenty of Constitutional Minded Candidates and former Candidates that would have eaten obama alive, and any of the National Republican favored candidates of the past year. Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson either one would have whipped the socks off of any of these candidates, including Obama if given a real oportunity, but the general public just does not have the oportunity to see it, and will not get up off the couch to investigate it!

  • Bob Lee

    Even if Obama wins the election, America must be prepared to prevent him from being sworn in. We must be prepared to charge him with his many crimes and the fact that he is not qualified for the presidency. He is not a Natural Born Citizen. So we win in the final analysis but we must be prepared to stop him.

    • Jeff

      File a lawsuit. In 8 years, W appointed lots of loony right wing judges, but even so, you crazy birthers haven’t gotten past a motion to dismiss in a single case. Obama was born in Hawaii. He is eligible to be president. Get over it.

    • Nick Czudy

      Bobbie Lee’s name goes in the looney bin as well.

  • Alex

    Campaign Contributions from military personnel:

    President Barack Hussein Obama—–$536,414

    Mitt Romney———————————$287,435

    BOOM!! Even the troops know that the Reich Wing GOP has their greedy, pus-bleary eyes set on continued war, and they want no part of it!
    The troops know that the TWO TRILLION dollars Mitt Romney and Ayn Ryan want to pump
    into the “military” will NOT go to them, the guys taking the bullets, but to Mitt’s War Profiteer backers at DynaCorp, KBR, Raytheon, etc.

    Military support for Obama—-2-1 over mitt and Mutt!

  • http://google Amores

    Democrats, all those who like and love Obama, don’t worry about the Republicans comments, just read the Obama’s book “The Dream Of My Father” or buy the movie “2016″, the movie is based mainly in Obama’s book. All with the words from Obama’s mouth. Just read it or watch the movie, and you will be proud, very proud of your Democrat Candidate! Ahh, in the book he says his Kenyan father participated in the II World War (1939-1945)

    • Jeff

      I doubt that he said his father was in the War. He was a child at the time. Obama has talked about his maternal grandfather serving in the War under General Patton.

    • Karolyn

      Did you read the book? Well, if you did, you would know what the real title is.

  • http://windstream Joe

    In Obama’s world he was General Patton. This man has created such a fabricated world and has been being helped to build on to said world by his cronies and fans to the extent that Harry Potters world would seem like nothing in comparison. It would not surprise me to hear the main stream media say that today he walked on water and turned water to wine.

    • Jeff

      Joey, are you on drugs? And did you bring enough for everyone?

  • 45caliber

    Romney was into “dirty politics” here. Politicians don’t mind lies – they are easy to refute. But the TRUTH? Man, that is a hard one! So by Romney resorting to pointing out the truth about Oblama, he was playing “dirty”. And that isn’t fair! Is it? After all, if everyone actually looks at Oblama’s record, there is a good chance even the blacks won’t vote for him!

  • Tierra-Naomi

    Root ought to be facing Obama, not Romney,….anyway, the way I see it, is that Obama, with all his lies seemed more convincing than Romney,…the supposed College kid, who was supposed to be undecided, decide to go for Obama (was he a plant, probably),…but the point I want to make and believe, is that we have about 80 million stupid, ignorant people out their that really don’t know their a** from a hole in the ground. Unless, somehow, and only with the help of the Lord, we can get ahold of our schools once again, then and only then can we turn America around,….we got to get rid of all those liberals in our universities, and only God can do that because Republicans are too wimpy to do the right thing,…..sooo, even if they get back in office under this guy Romney, will he go after justice and go after these guys, or will he be another GW Bush and let Obama slide away like Bush did with Clinton,….thier wimps, what can you say,….gutless lemmings of the firdt order,….

  • michael

    excellent article, Wayne. Quite frankly, one can cite any past garden-variety lousy president and find SOMETHING of value that they have done; but not this president; actually, everything Obama has touched has only gotten much worse.

  • Palin16

    One of Wayne Allyn Root’s best videos yet! As I watched the last debate, I lost track of how many times I yelled at Obummer on the TV “You lie!” One of his lies I remember in particular was Obummer stating that as his first act as president, he signed Lily Ledbetter Act for equal pay for women. That is false! His very first act as president was to sign executive orders sealing his educational records from Occidental College, Columbia, and Harvard. Looking forward to Wayne’s video next week, which will be after the third and final debate. I would like to see Romney remind voters of Obummer’s schooling in a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia (age 6-10), his mentor Frank Marshall Davis (communist)…ages 10-18, seeking out the Marxist professors in college (from “Dreams From My Father”), and his 20-year relationship with his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright (“Goddamn America”).

    • Nick Czudy

      Palin16, I have heard this GOP talking point but I have never seen any proof to point to this. Does this come from fact or Rush? Aren’t all people’s school records private?
      Isn’t there a privacy act that protects anyone from accessing others private information.
      Why don’t we all know about Mitt’s tax returns? Why, because they are private.
      I would like to see if there is any proof to back up these tiresome accusations.

      • Liztalk

        There is no proof because these things did not happen. The only “proof” they have of these lies, Nick, is other extremist right-wing blogs, talk radio, Rupert Murdoch’s FOX channel, the Drudge Report, Rush Limbaugh, Jerome Corsi, and other conspiracy theorists. These and others specialize in tricking gullible people with lies. They USE the gullible to get support and votes for their agendas, mostly for monetary profit or power. Their accusations are totally fear-based hate-speech and spreading false propaganda. Some people on this blog believe this crap. And then they spout out the same thing almost word for word. These low-informed fear mongers create their own dark world reality. Facts and truth do not reach them; they’d rather live in their hateful fog of paranoia.

        • Nick Czudy

          Liz talk. You are correct. I agree completely with you. As the Today show -John Stewart has joked, … These people live in a bubble. They are only aware of their own little world and nothing of the world outside. When one of them says something, that they can rally around, it becomes a Truth. People outside of the bubble hear this and wonder if they are firing on all cylinders. I personally just add their names into the looney bin,.
          The problem is that if people like this actually did say, something that was factual or a good point, you cannot believe them.

      • Palin16

        All presidential executive orders can be found in the Congressional Library. Here is an excerpt:
        “This is the first Executive Order that was enacted by President Barack Obama on January 21, 2009, the first full day of the Obama Administration.

        The Listing of Executive orders in the Congressional Library runs in a numeric order starting with the first Executive orders passed until the most current. When President Barack Obama took office his EO list started from #EO-13489

        Click the following link to return to the main list of President Obama’s Executive Orders.

        Executive Order 13489 Revokes previous EO 13233 which was signed November 1, 2001 by President George W. Bush. President Bush’s EO revoked a prior EO signed into law by President Reagan on January 18th 1989.

        President Obama’s Executive Order reads in part as follows:

        “By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the
        laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies
        and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent
        and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records
        by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant
        to the Presidential Records Act of 1978 (‘‘Presidential Records Act’’ refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201–2207), it is hereby ordered as follows:”

        Wayne Allyn Root has discussed Obama’s hidden records before and came to only 3 possible scenarios for doing so:
        1) Obama had excellent grades all through college, including Harvard. If so, why not show us?
        2) Obama had lousy grades. OK, big deal, that was over 20 years ago. Who would care?
        or 3) Obama was a foreign exchange student (from Indonesia). These types of scholarships are obviously not awarded to Americans.

        As to Romney….Harry Reid started the rumor about Romney’s taxes. Reid stated an investor at Bain told him Romney hasn’t paid taxes for 10 years. Question…since when do investors have access to their CEO’s tax returns? Reid has an imaginary friend.

        • Nick Czudy

          Palin 16. thanks for the info on the EO. Executive orders. My question is when does the presidents records start? Does his records start the day he is inaugurated, or are you saying that all of his historical records from birth go into the Nara?
          Are his school records part of the NARA records?
          How old was Obama when he was in these institutions? Most school records are the property of the school and the families of the students. Maybe this will clear this up.
          thanks!

      • Palin16

        Nick, to be honest, I don’t know when they start. I do know that comparisons betwwen GW Bush’s school records and Al Gore’s school records have been shown to the public. Obama made sure his transcripts would be kept secret by Executive Order, this from the “most transparent administration” in US history.

  • Liztalk

    Wayne Allen Root and many of the following posters live in the same La-La-Land that George W. Bush and his followers did in “creating their own reality.” You probably still think there are and were WMDs in Iraq. Many of you believe that President Obama is a “socialist, Muslim, communist, Nazi, non-American citizen that will impose Sharia Law on everyone and hates America.” If you believe these falsehoods then I can’t take anything you say as more than bigoted, hate-filled, distorted drivel. You not only live in La-La-Land, you live in a world of hate and fear. You have no value to humans. You cannot see any good in Pres. Obama because you are blinded. Wayne Allen Root is the worst, because he incites and encourages this backwards way of thinking, and because he has this blog to write on, his views seem validated. But they are not. I reject them and all the lies and hate spewed on this webpage.

    • Nick Czudy

      Liz Talk. Well said. Ditto. I agree with you completely, When I hear these kind of name calling and character bashing, It puts the commentator in to the looney bins. Why is it that they have to name call, to try to demean Obama, rather than deal in facts?

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      You are a total fool.

    • http://sohereandnow.wordpress.com/ duckyack

      Gee, Lizard, if Obama were white–well, he is half white–but if he were lilly white, and people still didn’t like his policies, what would you claim it to be then. You couldn’t accuse racism, so what would you call it?

      • Liztalk

        DuckYack… (since you distorted my name, I give it back to you)…. IF Pres. Obama were totally of white race, you would not be saying he’s Muslim, socialist, Non-American, non-citizen, Nazi, communist, American-hater etc etc… and you would NOT BE SAYING you hated every policy he supports, every word that he speaks. You would not be calling him “Obummer,” not be using his middle name derogatorily, you’d agree with some of what he said … So your proposal is impossible — He IS part Black. You would be more open to his ideas and policies if he were White. Or at least you’d give them some fair consideration. Look at yourselves in the mirror and admit it.

        • Susan Atwood

          That is not the truth. Look at what was done to President GW Bush. Mr. Obama is equated with Muslim because he tends to support that view in many of his speeches and actions. Remarks that probably would not have come from someone who grew up (he spent his first young years in Indonesia) during their formative years in America. He does not have the heart of an American.

  • chuckb

    liztalk, czudy, when did presenting the facts become name calling? lies? demeaning are you serious. no wonder we have such a fraudulent man sitting in the white house.posing as president. without a teleprompter we see exactly what he is, nothing.

    • Nick Czudy

      chuckb. What facts are you suggesting Mitt and Root were saying. Most of Root’s video gave you his biased view of how the debate way. Ok it is his opinion. tThat is not how myself or most Americans viewed it. But that can be his opinion.
      As far as Mitt, saying truths. He has lied so many times, and changed his viewpoints that nothing will surprise me of what he says on a given day. I think that what totally shocked Obama at the first debate was the appearance of a new candidate. “Moderate Mitt” I think that it so shell shocked Obama, that he was in shock.
      Examples of Mitts etch-a-sketch comments:
      I am for repealing Rowe vs wade, then he isn’t.
      Obama cut 716 billion from Medicare to fund Obama care. He didn’t.
      Obama is going to increase taxes on the middle class. he didn’t
      Obama took the work requirement out of social assistance. he didn’t.
      Obama tried to hide the terror attack in Libya. He didn’t.
      Obama’s failed policies. They aren’t. (only in the eyes of the GOP)

      If the American’s vote for Mitt for this new and improved Moderate Mitt. They will be disappointed when he rubber stamps everything that he is told to do with the Tea Party congress. What a lie it will be when he campaigns on being moderate and when in office he will approve every extreme right wing agenda.
      America will be [expletive deleted] out of luck for another 4 years. And this, unfortunately, is not a valid reason for impeachment. If Americans vote for Mitt listening to his lies, then same on us. We will be the stupid ones and deserve what we will get for another 4 years.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The Leftists are desperate people and from the amount that have shown up on this forum and they are at frenzy level. Their assumption is that Conservatives, Libertarians, Republicans will be bullied into voting for O.
      What they don’t realize is that they are having the opposite effect on people and they are truly working for Romney.

      • Karolyn

        Wow! Such insight! It really looks like conservatives are calm – NOT!

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      Who? Mr. 57 states in charge of our Marine corpse?

  • Debbie Becker

    Excellent article … Sharing, still working on a few sitting on the fence. Thank you

  • chuckb

    czudy, “Obama tried to hide the terror attack in Libya. He didn’t.”

    where are you getting your information from the white house? barry lied from the the first day and is still lying. he lied during the debate, this isn’t a matter of guessing, the president is on record, news tape from the un. national news, claiming up to this last week the video caused the riot resulting in the death of four u.s. citizens. pure unadulterated lies.

    “Obama cut 716 billion from Medicare to fund Obama care. He didn’t.

    The most salient fact is that, to pass Obamacare, the president cut Medicare by more than $700 billion over the coming decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). And these cuts are of the worst kind. They are arbitrary and across the board.
    They reduce reimbursement rates for all who provide services to Medicare patients, regardless of how well or badly they treat their patients. Among the cuts is a $156 billion reduction in payments to Medicare Advantage plans over ten years. These cuts will force seniors to pay $3,700 more for their health care by 2017, according to a study I (for those who might be interested, the cuts are distributed by congressional district here). The Medicare trustees project that the cuts will drive some 4 million seniors out of Medicare Advantage plans between 2012 and 2018.

    Obama’s failed policies. They aren’t. are you kidding?

    his stimulus policy failed, his green energy policy failed, companies subsidized by the government to produce solar and wind power are falling like autumn leaves, gm volt, failure, we will loose upwards of 50 billion in loans to gm. there is many more to add. i’m sure you must know this or you are living in another country.

    Obama is going to increase taxes on the middle class. he didn’t,
    which is it, going too and can’t because congress wouldn’t go along with it.
    the healthcare bill raises tax on every citizen

    barry is the most complete failure to ever set in the white house.

    • Nick Czudy

      Chuck.b
      The 716 billion is cuts to payment to the suppliers. Hospitals and doctors.
      The Us medical system has costs that are more than double the rest of the western worlds health systems. One reason that all Americans are paying for large profits to the owners and HMO’s. They in turn, spend 100′s of millions to lobbyists and congressmen, to keep the status quo. This is one of the best areas to cut the already overpriced services and profits. Here is what the Fact check.org people say………………………….

      “The biggest savings from the Affordable Care Act come from reductions in the future growth of payments to hospitals — about $415 billion over 10 years. That’s Medicare Part A. Income for Part A comes mainly from payroll taxes. If Medicare doesn’t need to spend that income immediately, it’s credited to Part A’s trust fund, and Medicare gets a Treasury bond that it can cash in later. Anytime Medicare needs to cash in that bond, Treasury must pay it. Even if Treasury spent the original money on something else, it must pay the bond.

      So, campaign claims that imply that Obama has taken money out of Medicare, and Medicare won’t ever get it back, are simply not true.”…………………………

      The constant statement of Obama’s ‘failed policies’. Is a campaign strategy that the GOP had banked on and even had the collusion of the GOP congress. By Congress not passing anything that might help the economy and there fore Obama, they were hoping on the economy failing. Then they would be able to use this strategy to win back the White house. The problem was that even with this obstruction. the economy has slowly progress and improved. Its nothing to brag about, but it certainly is also not a “Failed Policies” There have been job growths, the stock market is at an all time high and the top 1% are making lots of dollars. It is only the GOP and the Right Wing that believe in the Obama’s failed policies” There ought to be laws that prosecute elected members of the House that willfully do things to hurt the country. I think they should be hanged.

      As for Obama’s lies, re Benghazi. You are mistaking statements of miss-information than lies and obstruction. The constant press conferences and statements were flying fast and furious during that time and the info that was being passed was not accurate. The GOP would like to be able to hang something around Obama re International Policy. But the fact is Obama and his admin have done an amazing job to restore the integrity and respect of the USA abroad. Mit didn’t help things by flying off the handle before the information came out. This is a sign of how Mitt might behave internationally if elected. He might be a little quick at the draw. and shoot before aiming.
      regards
      Nick Czudy

      • Jeff

        Chuck won’t like being shown up, Nick. He graduated just behind Jethro Bodine in his class, you know. Now, he’ll call you a Bolshevik.

        Really, you have already outclassed the intelligence level of most on this blog, particularly the H brothers, Jeff and Dave. Keep it up. Maybe with enough factual information, a little of it will seep in.

      • chuckb

        nice try czudy, none of that flys, the gop can’t stop anything unless it’s presented as legislation, barry has no plan, he hasn’t proposed anything except taxing the rich, that’s not a winner, please produce anything barry has proposed.other than the healthcare “biggest tax increase in history bill” you are falling for party propaganda. the economy is not improving, the stock market is being manipulated and a bad place for the average investor. show me where barry’s policies have improved the economy. you might take a long look at the senate there’s where all legislation from the congress ends up in the dead on arrival pile. how about gas prices?, how about the value of the dollar? how about real estate, how about frank and dodd? you want to blame the republicans for the economy when barry got elected, the bolsheviks had complete control of the economy two years before barry. he was sitting in the senate during those two years, check out all the great legislation he agreed on. ” none”, if you want to check that out then tell me who crashed the economy, i will admit bush didn’t make much of an attempt to stop the demo’s, he helped them stop the economy by trying to be bi-partisan.

        barry knew the benghazi raid was made by terrorist within a few hours, he was notified by our intelligence agencies within eight hours, we had drones in the area and they watched the complete raid. sorry czudy, your hero is in a trap his lies may not get him out of.

        excerpts from the wash. post.
        The more we learn the more we see how both dishonest and incompetent has been the handling of this entire incident. The Obama White House may be out spinning the press to buy into the Obama-Crowley line, but no one is buying it. As the rest of the information comes to light, the president retains less and less credibility. Like a fish on a line he flops this way and that, trying to break free of his self-created trap.

  • common

    Presidential debates basically can be summed up as two versions of the same lie! Thomas Jefferson warned of having a Two party system because he recognized the possibility of corruption within such a system. Name calling is the last resort of the loser Socrates said!
    We are a Constitutional Republic, we have a founding document admired the world over! We have a bill of rights that helps gaurantee our liberty and that should be whats important here people. To all you who aren’t struggling in this current economy I say you are out of touch with the reality facing most Americans. Both parties are guilty of selling out the American people. The Democrats say they Corporations and the one percent are to blame but who do they recieve most of their campaign money from, the same people they rail against. Liberty is what matters here! Our founding fathers foresaw the trouble we are now faced with and addressed it in our founding documents. The fact that we have the Federal Reserve is in direct violation of the constitution, it is they ultimately, with the help of corporations and our politicians who are bankrupty this country. Will we allow our political differences to keep us from seeing the calamity that awaits us if we don’t do something to avert it? We need jobs in America, we need less government interference and more states rights. We the people should decide the fate of this country not a bunch of corrupt politicians and their special interest cronies. Democrats and Republicans have become the enemy of the people!

  • http://crybabies agaist evil doers

    mit chocked on his own lies . old mit is just a Big Liar like fox news.

  • Kay

    Mr. Root, I hope you will run for President in the future. I will vote for you if you do.

  • Toy

    Obama (and Michelle!) is the ultimate charlatan:
    For goodness sake see: “The Obama Deception”, Youtube!

  • mark cunnan

    Both sides lie! Both sides don’t! Both sides want the middle to succeed! One wants the lower (lazy non workers) the other the (cheating over workers)? What about the hard workers? This is the group that each side fights for at every election! Tea Party anyone? That’s what their original goal was aiming for,even though they lost it! Money wins power! I think everyone posting here is middle, yet you all reach either higher or lower depending on your income or present job! Crazy how those of you that teach college level, don’t believe you are under paid??? I’d play a Vegas bet that less than 1% of you earned $1 million dollars last year! You should all be on the same side! WTF! I believe that at least the right gives us a positive pro-American shift that gives us middle a chance! I have students quit every week that think a GED or worse will get them a good paying job! I have others asking me for help to get into a good tech school! What works now?

  • randy moore

    i would consider voting for gov romney if i knew what he really believed-in mass. he catered to democrats because he knew if he did not he could not win-thus came the insurance he was for then but now is against- may i remind u that the influence of senator kennedy was an overwhelming influence also-he said he would do away with pro choice-now he will not-he has accused 47 per cent of america of being useless-now all of a sudden he is going to represent all of America-he takes credit for things he did not do-while president obama was saving gm with loans now gov romney wants to take credit for suggesting the bankruptcy-the big difference is he would not have loaned the money that allowed them to get back on their feet-he sees multi million dollar operations as small business-he is on record for being proud of firing people-he won the first debate because everything he said was completely opposite of what he had run on during the primaries-it is impossible to debate someone who changes their mind every other day-i know-that is why i can not ever win an argument with my wife-the bottom line is that my life is better than it was 4 yrs ago-i do have more money in my pocket under president obama than i did under president bush-houses are being sold again-a hundred and 4 thousand job growth this month is nothing to brag about but it sure is better than the 750,000 job loss a month when president obama first took office-the dow was at 6700 shortly after his swearing in and it is almost back to where it was at it’s best-bin laden is dead-hannity still makes 25 million a yr and rush is doing quiet well-the baseball and football stadiums are full-a ball player makes 25 million a yr and u r telling me he deserves a tax decrease-while president obama was fighting to provide insurance for working people republicans were trying to prove he didn’t have a birth certificate-now that is what i call real good use of time for Congress-president obama has made mistakes-the biggest mistake he made was spending 2 yrs trying to be bi partisan-sir: with all due respect i will say that a person that will vote for gov romney is absolutely out of touch with reality -and that my friend is setting the record straight

    • Nick Czudy

      Randy Moore.
      I just wanted to tell you that your comments made a lot of sense and were said quite eloquently. GOP are criticizing Obama for not getting more of his policies rammed through when the Dems had majorities. A lot of this time was spent putting out fires and dealing with the crash. He was also making many attempts to be bi-partisan and have laws passed that both sides could live with. I think that he learned too late how entrenched the GOP were to do anything to get back in power. He wasted this 2 years and then hit the election that put the GOP back in to the house.
      Since the GOP did not have much to offer the middle of America, their party was ambushed by the Tea Party and their only possible tactic was to proclaim that Obama’s policies have failed and that the economy was worse off. That was a gamble and the House did everything possible to make it fail. Is there a definition of “Traitor” in the constitution? I think that this tactic comes close to that word’s definition. But regardless of this, the economy did progress and get better.
      We are better off then we were 4 years ago.
      The GOP are so obviously willing to do anything to get back into power. It is pathetic in some ways how low they can go, to get back this power. Unfortunately, this frenzy has blocked them from coming up with any viable alternatives that will improve this economy. What is needed in the GOP is that the moderates need to take back the party from the extreme right. The house needs to stop their blockade and constantly trying to pass bills that have no chance of ever passing the senate. (How many times have then come up with bills to overturn Obama-care for example?) Obama-care is not perfect, but it is a step in the right direction to get true Universal Health-care. What is needed now is to get the double profit grabbing CEO’s out of the middle of the health care costs and it will come down to the level that the rest of the world is paying.
      There is a real need for bipartisanship at this time. Unfortunately, the present definition of the word, in the GOP dictionary is “my way or the highway”. The US economy would race forward if the two sides would actually get together and do things that would improve the economy.

  • chuckb

    go to sleep jeffy, you don’t get points riding on other peoples coat tail. however, i guess when you don’t have one it’s necessary. at least czudy makes some sense in bis comments, that’s more than i can say for yours.

  • Louis

    OY VEY!
    Seems to me that we as a nation, have reached the saturation point, like most great nations, (in history) when the people get too cozy, too fat, too smart, and too lazy..
    I’ts becoming, “de-ja-vu” all over again, and “we the people,” don’t seem to care, but for our own little gizzards, (necks) so, it’s “full speed ahead, and every man for himself!”
    I’ve been arround for allmost 70 years, and have never seen anything like what’s going on today..
    We now have, gay rights, gay marriages, abortions of all kinds, entitlements of all kinds, occupy wall street, throw GOD under the bus mentality, and rights for the wrong, not to mention,”sedition, treason, and anarchy” when it comes to the constitution of the U.S.
    Some times I feel like crying out for the world to stop, so I can get off!.
    We need to blame no-one but ourselves, for continuing to listen to these judges, lawyers, and politicians, and keep putting them in charge, of our lives, as far as governance is concerned..
    Too bad that, “snooky, or dancing with the stars, or other trivial things,” occupy our lives, to the degree, were our brains have become, “a big pile of mush!” and we allow ouselves to let the tube rule our thought patterns..
    When I was a kid going to public school, I was more aware of my surroundings, and the things that the world was going thru, than most kids in college or university today..
    Ask many of the youth about the 4th of july, and all they can tell you, is, “Oh yeah! it’s a day when every-one goes to the park, or the beach, and watches the fireworks!” (never mind about asking them of other important days in our history.).
    How many people that voted for Barak Obama 4 years ago, bothered to find out about his background, or his ideologies? What about, his qualifications, to be comander in chief, let alone, president of this great nation?
    I’ve been arround to see, 12 presidents, but have never seen anyone of them soil the office more than this man has, though clinton came pretty close..
    I hope people realize that this election, will be the most important one in this countrys history, and if they put this man back in the white house, then, “you can kiss this nation, “goodby!”
    Smokey can put out forest fires, but only the american people can put out the fire that’s decimating this nation today..
    GBU all..
    Louis……

    • old hillbilly

      Amen to that

      • Louis

        Hi ol hill:
        Hope you don’t mind my calling you ol hill.(you older- n- me?)
        Just wanted to “amen to your amen.”
        Louis…..

    • Doris

      Amen, Louis!

    • Deerinwater

      Louis says; “I’ts becoming, “de-ja-vu” all over again, and “we the people,” don’t seem to care, but for our own little gizzards, (necks) so, it’s “full speed ahead, and every man for himself!”
      I’ve been around for almost 70 years, and have never seen anything like what’s going on today..”

      De ja vu means “all over again”, ~ I ask , WHAT? is all over again? When have you seen these times before? Where every man was for himself? ~ You are too young to have seen the times when a farmer had to hide his one milk cow to prevent some hungry family from milking her before before he woke up. ~ you was but a child with no responsibilities other then maybe hide the cow.

      Corporate America is for itself! ~ Mitt says corporate America is people ~ I say, maybe so ~ but these people have incorporated to shield themselves from personal liabilities and responsibilities, so Corporate America should not be allowed to vote or interfere with the vote with huge cash donations. But they can and they do ~ as they finance feeding you with stories about how bad it is, and how bad it’s going to be if you don’t vote in a way that serves them.

      I think, old folks and young alike need to back off from all that TV watching that poisons the mind and start prepping for next years garden or maybe read a good book ~ anybody can sit on their assets and watch TV and become some-kind of political wizard.

      http://www.amazon.com/Stole-American-Dream-Hedrick-Smith/dp/1400069661

      Quit allowing yourselves to be programmed by corporate America. ~ Some of you might have a few friend but Corporate America is not one of them ~ not even if they employ you. To top management, you are a “means to an end” and only “in the way” if you are found otherwise.

      • Louis

        Hey Deerinwinter:
        Some people miss seeying the trees on account of the forest, and some miss the forest on account of the trees..
        Like Hank snow once proclaimed in his song,”I’ve been every where man!” and I must say, so have I!
        So, let me ask you? when was GOD kicked under the bus the way he has, especially in the last 4 years?- When did you ever see,”occupy wall street” and justified by the president, democrats, and main stream media?- Gay rights and gay marriages?-mortgage failures, people on food stamps in record numbers? people impovirished in such quick numbers other than after the 29 crash?- production jobs dissapearing faster than Obama from his duties as potus?(not to mention benghazi gate)
        The numbers and events are so numerous, that it would take a whole library to fill, and then some..
        My wife passed on about ten years ago, after allmost 40 years with yours truly, but she left, beside me, 3 kids, all over 40, and 3 grands, and I pray not for myself, as much as for those that the good lord left me with, but for many still here, because, I see the winds of prophecy wich are blowing all arround, and comming to pass, and I hope and pray that people will heed the warnings that are in the wind, and not miss the trees, or the forest in front of their eyes..
        No matter what, we as a people still have a duty to one another, and as the bible says, “It is accounted unto all men, one life, one death, and after death, one judgement.”
        Maybe the farmer who hid his cow, should’ve read the parable of the rich man and lazarus..
        It might suit you well to do the same….
        Louis……..

  • Dave67

    Stopped a depression, saved the auto industry, got more people on HC insurance, severely crippled Al Qeada and killed Bin Laden… all this with a Congress who’s only mission is to make sure Obama loses…

    Imagine if the Conservatives put the country before their ideology? We could actually get something done.

    • Jeff

      Exactly right. The alternative is to effectively turn the Government over to Grover Norquist.

    • Palin16

      Barack Hussein Obama did not kill bin Laden. Someone else made that happen. In fact, while the navy Seals were flying to Abbottabad, Obama was out on the golf course. They had to summon one of his aids to go fetch the President to sit in the situation room for a photo-op. Re: Obamacare, most Americans are opposed to it, so I wouldn’t call that any kind of grand accomplishment. Who were these 30 million uninsured people? Probably people like the woman who got her free Obamaphone. I always got my insurance from my employer.

      • Smilee

        Palin, that is pure garbage, how do you dream these things up???????

      • Jeff

        [comment has been edited] you know a heckuva lot. Wonder if ANY of it is true? If Obama cured cancer, you’d blog that he failed to conquer heart disease. (Read: He’s still a Democrat and he’s still Black.)

      • Nick Czudy

        Palin16, I am not sure if Obama was on the golf coarse. I am sure that George W was on the golf coarse a lot more.
        But can you justify the statement that most Americans are against Obama-care?
        I do not see that. I know that the GOP are against Obama-care. But aren’t they about 35 to 37 % of the total US population? That would be suggesting that may of these would be against it. I would like to see how you came up with that scenario.

        The US medical industry is a disaster. This is how it works. From the hospital to the end patient.

        Sick person pays insurance. -Sick person needs to go to hospital. —– Insurance approves procedure. They make their profit. Patient goes to hospital, incurs big expenses., Hospital makes its profit, sends bill to insurance company, they pay high bill and charges the patient for insurance. If the insurance has paid too much or it is an preconceived condition, they will stop paying hospital and the patient will lose house and assets or die.

        Other countries: Patient pays percentage of income on wages or annual calculation.-Gets sick, needs to go to hospital. — Hospital treats patient, The cost of the treatment is paid by the Government or health board at cost. (No profit increase) NO limits and no getting cut off by insurance. this is called Universal Health Care. This is what the rest of the world has. The government has a pot of funds from the wage deductions, to pay for the medical treatments, at cost, to the hospitals and doctors.

        What is missing is the two administrators in the middle each of them administering the paperwork and money and making a good profit. Also there is the vast sums paid for lobbying that is not needed in the Universal system.
        Obama Care is not universal health care. It is a step in the right direction, But to make the system work and not run out of money, It needs to get rid of the two middle men, and their profits. That is why the US system costs twice as much as the rest of the world.

        People should not die or lose their houses, if they get sick and the CEO’s of the HMO’s do not need to make hundred million dollar salaries and benefits, on the back of sick people. I love the mantra that was repeated during the last election. The GOP kept saying, “Do you want some government official making a decision on what health care you get?” Dahhhh, the status quo is that the rich, profit minded CEO is making the decision now, and they will chose to not give you expensive care every time. Give me the government geek, to make a decision on my healthcare, every time.

        Mitts voucher system will still pay the existing system with their profits and high charges. That is why it cannot afford it and it will go bankrupt. Get the middle men and the profit out of the health system.

        So Palin16, that is why I do not believe you, that most Americans do not want Obama-care. The party faithful have adopted the cause, but when actually seeing the advantages, some of the party faithful will start having second thoughts, on why they want Obama-care repealed. They will realize that they do not.
        regards
        Nick Czudy

      • Palin16

        Jeff, you are [comment has been edited] using the tired, worn-out race card. Where did I mention anything in my post about the community organizer’s race? Give it up. Here is one of many links to Obozo’s golf outing while the bin Laden raid was taking place:
        http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/pakistan-raid-obama-was-playing-golf/

        BTW, I worked in the medical field for 32 years, so you need not lecture me about how it works. Many US doctors, especially primary care physicians, have opted to retire rather than be burdoned with Obamacare. Health care costs have gone up, not down. Furthermore, small business owners are not hiring because of Obamacare. Four more years of Obama means four more years of high unemployment and four more years of adding to the deficit without any budget in place. It also means taxpayers paying for 4 more years of Michelle’s extravagant vacations in Spain, Hawaii, India, Bali, Martha’s Vineyard, ad nauseum.

        • Jeff

          Your post is too idiotic to take seriously. The President is on duty no matter where he is, whether it’s the golf course or speaking at a dinner. He was completely involved in the decision to go after bin Laden and your nonsense is utterly meaningless. You preferred W’s style of delegating everything to Darth Vader. The results were really great. Every time Obama does something intelligently that works out you morons complain you liked it better when W did things the stupid way and everything was a disaster.

          As for the doctors quitting, maybe they were in the wrong profession. There’s probably still time for them to go to business school and become vultures like Romney.

        • Jeff

          Want to see what Romney’s America will look like? Take a look at Freeport, IL where the Sensata factory is being moved (by Bain, who else?) to China after record profits. BTW: those record profits were due to Obama saving the U.S. auto industry. I hope the Chinese steal them blind, but most likely they’ll get even richer as they’ve got dirt cheap labor there. Romney practically invented the concept of outsourcing jobs. The idea of him creating anything but minimum wage jobs (then abolishing the minimum wage) is akin to the idea of Donald Trump opening a charm school.

          Romney is a LIAR. He claims he’ll “get tough” on China and label it a currency manipulator. Meanwhile, he’s busy investing in companies in partnership with China. As Romney himself said in one of the only true statements he ever made: Blind trusts are a sham. When Obama has cracked down on China, Romney called it protectionism.

          If Romney gets elected, you probably deserve him, but the rest of us shouldn’t have to suffer for your incredible stupidity.

      • Palin16

        I was surprised that you hadn’t heard about Obama on the gold course until 20 minutes before the Navy Seals mission began in earnest. It’s really old news and I thought everyone knew about it. But then it dawned on me that you only get your news from the lame stream media (MSNBC, CNN [Communist News Network], Rachel Madcow, etc etc). All of these networks cover for Obama all the time, just like this Benghazi affair. And their bottom line is going to pay for them creating news instead of reporting news, just look at CNN’s ratings in the dump and NY Times is $3 for weekday paper. Joe Stalin once said “control the media and you control the people.” He hadn’t counted on the internet.

        • Nick Czudy

          Hey Palin16.. .Is it Sarah? haha I guess that you get your news from Rush Limburger and Sean Hannibal? I get a head ache listening to them.
          But thanks for telling me that Obama was golfing on the day of the Seal Attack.
          Interesting. It is not as if Obama is not putting in his 40 hour work week. He deserves any break that he can get. Maybe he was golfing with Beiner or some GOP congressman to get them off of their asses…………………………………………………………………………………

          But I am sick of Fox and Mitt trying to milk some political capital out of the Benghazi attack.

          It was a tragedy, things are in investigation, the Americans were brought home and buried. the public were told conflicting things and they should have had better security. they had bad local security, the state department budget was cut 220 million, there were 4 other protest (attacks) on the same day. What is the GOP trying to make out of this thing? It is irritating to keep seeing them constantly milking this for political gain.
          What happened to the economy (abortion) the deficit(Obama-care), the deficit (Increased war spending)? Mitt and company are so desperate to get elected. they will do anything at all to get an advantage. How about voter suppression. the only suppression that has been found so far are Right wing fraud.
          Sorry to ramble.
          regards
          Nick

          • Doris

            Dear Nick – it’s called “foreign affairs,” something every American has a right to be concerned withespecially after all the lies this administration has been pedalling since the attack. Obama has no charactger, honesty or integrity and it shows every time he opens his mouth.

          • Nick Czudy

            Doris. Foreign Affairs are very delicate and involve diplomacy. This is something that Mitt the Twit lacks and has put his foot in his mouth, many times. He needs to learn to think before he shoots his mouth off. When Obama acts in a diplomatic manner, the right, moans and groans about bowing and being a Muslim and on and on. there is not one in the GOP that has any qualification to travel abroad on the behalf of the USA.
            The thing is that Obama actually does have character, honesty and integrity. That is not something that can be said of the other guy. Obama has brought back respect for the USA from the rest of the world.

          • Doris

            Nick, what rock have you been living under? I would suggest that you pay attention to the facts that are coming out about Libya over the next few days. Obama avoided telling the truth about the attacks in Libya because he was afraid it would ruin his chances for relelection. Furthermore, they watched the attack in real time from the white house. They knew the slaughtering of Ambassdor Stevens was a terrorist attack and Obama still left for Las Vegas and The View the next day. Hardly character, honesty, or integrity – much less presidential. (cough! choke!) And talk about gaffes???? Calling the death of four Americans in Libya “not optimal?” Puhleeeeze!

          • Nick Czudy

            Doris. The Right are foaming at the mouth, in the hopes of finding something they can get political capitol on. Now we have Chafitz and Issa are going nuts. They wasted the publics money on the Fast and Furious witch hunt, now they are back at it again.

            I have never heard about them watching the attack live. You got me there. I guess that they sent a satellite over after then heard about the attack? I do not know.

            the problem was that every source was getting bits and pieces as the news was unfolding and bending it their way.
            If I had to depend on someone to be straight it would be Obama.
            Issa and Chafitz are rabid dogs that are out to get their meat. They proved with their last witch hunt that they are blind and only look for information that will help their agenda.

          • Doris

            That’s awfully naive when four Americans were killed in senseless attacks and nobody in the Obama administation could make out their *ss from a hole in the ground for 16 days straight. Obama’s problem is that he just doesn’t care. He doesn’t want to be president anymore and his callous disposition results in neglect of the very people he was put in charge of protecting. As far as Fast and Furious, Holder is no angel. Pay attention to the news over the next couple of days. The intelligence community is turning on Obama since he turned on them, and there is a videotape of the attack before, during and after that Obama is being pressured to release which proves he lied. If he has any character (don’t hold your breath) and has nothing to hide, he will release the video for everyone to see BEFORE the election.

          • Jeff

            Nick:

            The right wing loons don’t want respect from the rest of the world; they want fear. They loved that cowboy talk from W – the stupider the better! Romney’s foreign policy advisers are all Bush Neocons. None of this cooperation stuff for them. American Exceptionalism means we’re the biggest and baddest so we make the rules and the rules apply to you, not to us. The Republican Holy Trinity: tax cuts, deregulation, and pre-emptive war (or at least belligerence in foreign policy).

          • Jeff

            If you actually cared about honesty, you couldn’t even think of voting for Romney. He’s been back-pedaling from his positions all month while denying he’s changed anything. He doesn’t believe a boss should have any say in his employee’s health care decisions or in her birth control decisions, but he favors the Blunt Amendment. In other words, he believes in 5 + 5, but he doesn’t believe in “10.”

        • Jeff

          Are you sure? I’m pretty sure Fatbaugh’s story was Obama was in the basement of the White House forging his birth certificate! Why is it when I look up your story, I get directed to websites pushing that idiotic movie by Dinesh D’Souza who’s now given up all pretense of intellectual rigor to become Donald Trump’s poodle?

  • old hillbilly

    To lock-in-ear– & other progressives
    The “depression” was caused by corrupt “government regulating” to redistribute wealth. Theft is always a matter of redistributing wealth. Key visible players are Barney Fwank & Dodd. The real operators are progressives offering free homes for the poor with one hand while emptying the treasury with the other! The scam was simple – appraise a $50,000 home for $100,000, then issue guaranteed loans to the buyer for $120,000. The first sale provides “precedence” for the second appraisal and loan, ad infinitum. The loan provides a 10% down payment and $10,000 windfall profit for the buyer. Lending banks reap thousands in commissions and fees Global bank loan bundlers reap billions packaging and selling toxic loans to other banks and the government (FREDDIE & FANNIE). None of this was sustainable and all of it is criminal! If it’s too big to prosecute, freedom is too little to protect and sustain!

    When the windfall ran out, the poor had no hope of paying a $120,000 loan on a $50,000 home! So, they became more impoverished, stayed until evicted, and left a run down $10,000 home. Banks and that owned the home found themselves with $120,000 piece of paper on a $10,000 home that would cost $20,000 to bulldoze and clear! In turn record numbers of banks became insolvent and bankrupt, leaving Freddie and Fannie with trillions of dollars of worthless notes and property that costs more to own than keep! Of course, the trillions Freddie and Fannie sprinkled about so freely wasn’t really theirs… it was citizen SSI-MED deposits that should have been in a real trust funds earning interest to provide a little money for retired citizens… when they’re plagued with age, sickness, and need! SSI-MEDICARE is bankrupt and senior citizens have essentially the same paper guarantee that the long gone bankrupt banks had (“zip”). Progressives and their globalist partners have another answer – call SSI-MED “pay as you go” and solve the problem by unlimited tax increases plus printing money and bonds to devalue any and all obligations! Pay as you go doesn’t reveal where you’re going… it’s down the crapper for good!

    The record number banks that failed were gobbled up by the global banks, and unthinkable new levels of global financial monopoly emerged. Simultaneously, progressives joined hands with monopolists! Citizens who were on the bottom of the pile find new layers of regulations, mud, and dung atop themselves.

    We don’t need new laws or regulations to stop the theft. All we need do is enforce the law and start openly condemning deception and “spin! It will end when a very few good people take a stand and make it happen. That usually begins with the word and pen and a lot of come-uppance! Frank, Dodd, and de-constructor of justice Holder are symbols of the evil that consume us.

    • Warrior

      OH, you just nailed it! Now, if the “progressive” followers would remove their blinders, they may learn something.

      • Deerinwater

        So Bains Capital and Bernie Madoff are progressives?

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Oh so you don’t see the value of separating Savings accounts from Investment banking. You think the Banksters will do the right thing and not gamble away your savings account then when they screw up again and they will, they’ll say oops pay up please Mr Govt we’re too big to fail. You deserve everything that happens to you and from what I can see there is a lot more pain coming.

  • Well-Informed

    Wayne Allyn Root, what I saw in the debate was Obama giving Romney what for and Romney stuttering to try an respond. Wayne Allyn Root musta been watching the edited version. What an idiot Wayne Allyn Root proves to everyone what a butt kisser he is. Pucker UP Wayne Allyn Root.

    • Nick Czudy

      Amen!

  • Toy

    Obama is not a lawyer, he resigned from the bar to avoid scrutiny!
    “Obama’s hidden past.” (Youtube)

  • jopa

    Well that last debate sure gave the Mitt a good blow to his chin.and the knockout will be on election day.Mitt was not a very good actor on stage during this debate and was able to show the world how clueless he was when it came to foreign policy and even geography.He has no idea where Syria is on a map.He apparently has stage fright issues that were so apparent in the debate arena.He is even afraid to go on the View because of Whoopi Goldberg might ask him some questions that are not prepared in advance for him to look at like they do on Fox.The guy is such a coward in so many respects he would never make a good CIC.

    • Doris

      Mitt outsmarted EVERYONE. He used strategy that nobody expected, including Owe-bama. While Owe-bama won the battle, Mitt won the war! See you at the polls!

  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    LOL No wonder Wayne Allyn Root likes Mitt Romney They are both creepy liars. Maybe Wayne only watches the GOP oops sorry Fox network. That could explain the disinformation.

    Romney is also a ruthless thief. He made out with millions of TARP Bailout money and helped his Vulture Hedge fund buddies make Billions all while being against it. Don’t believe it. Google Delphi Paul Singer Romney.

    One thing about Romney he really looks constipated and in pain when he realizes that Obama is reaming him on his BS.

    Help me out here. One thing I can’t understand is how anyone who is for Personal Liberty could be for numb nuts, liars and thieves like the Romney/Ryan GOP team.

    Shouldn’t you all be for Gary Johnson?

    What’s going on here!

    Yea! Wayne, Disingenuous was directly lobbed at you. It should be your middle name.

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