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That Cornhusker Kickback Will Cost You Plenty

April 2, 2010 by  

That Cornhusker Kickback Will Cost You Plenty

Remember when Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson cut a deal with the Obama Administration to deliver the 60th vote in favor of Obamacare? To the ever-lasting shame of both sides, the result was an embarrassment that came to be known as the Cornhusker Kickback.

Basically, Big Ben asked for some special help so Nebraska could cover the increased costs of Medicaid when Obamacare finally passed. Barack and his buddies said “done” and—viola!—suddenly there was an additional $100 million for Nebraska buried deep in the legislation.

When news of this sweetheart deal got out, I’m delighted to report that a mighty outcry went up around the country. No one was willing to defend this crass example of Washington payola—not the folks who arranged it or even the voters who benefited from it.

In a sane world such overt bribery would never make it past a conference committee. But fiscal sanity—or even outright honesty—hasn’t been much of a factor in Washington politics for years. Instead of slicing $100 million out of Obamacare, the wheeler-dealers in charge of spending your money decided that “the only fair thing to do” was to give the same benefits to the other 49 states.

All of a sudden a special subsidy that was going to cost us $100 million—pocket change when you’re talking about a $870-billion piece of legislation—soared to $30 billion. Even by Washington’s spendthrift standards, we’re starting to talk about some real money here, folks.

What happened next shouldn’t have surprised me: The powers that be decided to cover the costs by slapping a new tax on well-off Americans. After all, as President Obama keeps reiterating, it’s only right that the wealthiest among us pay “their fair share.”

So that’s how a brand-new tax on what the redistributionists like to call “unearned income” became the law of the land. Starting next year, if you earn more than $200,000 a year, expect to see another bite taken out of anything you’ve managed to save. The new tax will cover interest on your Certificates of Deposit and other savings accounts; any dividends you make on stocks or mutual funds, rental income on any real estate you own, and anything else our masters in Washington can classify as “unearned” income.

Excuse me for a moment while I let out a primal scream or two about the Marxist misnaming of my so-called unearned income.  I worked mighty hard to earn every penny I’ve managed to save. There were a lot of 80 and 90 hour weeks when I was younger and just starting in business. I had to do the work of two or three people every week to keep my company’s doors open. And I’ll bet a lot of you who will be hit by this new tax can say the same thing.

Even Ben Nelson is now in full retreat from the monstrosity he helped create. No sooner had the Senate version of Obamacare finally been approved in the House than he became the first Democrat in the Senate to denounce “reconciliation.” He said he was especially troubled by the new tax he helped foist on us. He also denounced all those other add-ons that have pushed “the total cost of health reform up billions of dollars.”

Gee, does anyone think the senator is trying to curry favor with the voters back home? I hope a lot of Nebraskans will remember all of this when they go to the polls this November.

By the way, while I’m on the subject, may I ask for a show of hands of all of you who feel you don’t pay your fair share of taxes? And yes, Mr. Buffett, if by any chance someone sends you this column, we would love to publish your reply. I’ve seen reports that you think you should pay more. So why don’t you? There’s no law against Berkshire Hathaway adding a zero to every check it sends Uncle Sam.

For the sake of this discussion, I’m willing to grant that every American who is worth more than $50 billion should pay more in taxes than I do. Not just more total dollars, but I’ll compromise my principles enough to tolerate the plank in the Communist Manifesto that calls for a progressive income tax being levied against them.

But for the rest of us, let’s get real, as my kids would say. The canard that well-off Americans aren’t paying “their fair share” is one of the biggest of the Big Lies that socialists have used for decades to foster the culture of envy that dominates almost all of our politics.

Let’s look at the numbers to see what the truth really is. The last year for which the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has released figures is 2007, so what follows is a bit out of date. But I can’t imagine that the percentages have changed much in ’08 and ’09. Look at what the government’s own figures show:

  • The top 1 percent of taxpayers in this country pay 40.42 percent of all income taxes.
  • For the top 5 percent, the percentage is even higher. The 7.1 million taxpayers who fit this description pay 60.63 percent of all Federal income taxes.
  • The bigger the net, the greater the discrepancy. The top 25 percent of taxpayers (35.3 million of us) can take pride in knowing that we contribute 86.59 percent of federal taxes. And the top 50 percent (70.5 million of us) pay 97.11 of the total taxes collected.

In comparison, the bottom 50 percent of filers—some 70.5 million of Americans with any kind of income—pay a minuscule 2.89 percent of federal tax dollars.

By what possible rationale can anyone say that the “rich” in this country don’t pay their fare share? You tell me. If the 71.22 percent that the top 10 percent in this country pay isn’t “their fair share,” then what is? I’d really like to know how you Obamaites (and yes, there are lots of you who read this column) justify urging government to confiscate more of our earnings.

With tax-collection day now less than two weeks away (Tax Freedom Day won’t happen for nearly two more months; I’ll write about that as it gets closer), I’ve been thinking a lot about our rapacious government and what it will take to put it on a diet.

As we’ve just seen, asking nicely ain’t gonna do it. Even yelling loud and long won’t be enough.

We’ve got to run the rascals out of office. Not all of them, I’m happy to say. Get rid of the worst 10 or 15 percent and the rest of the crowd in Washington will move to the right so fast the loony left won’t know what hit them.

Remember, most legislators aren’t dedicated to making government bigger. They aren’t dedicated to making it smaller, either. They’re just dedicated to staying in office. And if sounding (and voting) like a new Sarah Palin is what it will take to protect their careers, most of them will move right so fast all you’ll see is a blur.

In this country, we can still “throw the rascals out.”  But it will only happen, as I’ve said before, if those of us who work for a living become as devoted to the battle as those who vote for a living.

Until next Friday, think about what you’ll do to make a difference. And keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Its a pretty cool thing actually, just watching these guys sink. Its like the more rope you give them, the higher the tree limb they pick to hand themselves with. It just goes to show you how out of touch with reality they are. They truly think they can manipulate the public and do whatever they want, and that we all should just bow down and kiss the ground they walk on and accept their evil deeds. They do not even realize, that America is paying attention, and that very soon all of these lepers will we wondering why they got voted out of office, because they just dont get it. They are out of touch with the common man. But truly, they continue to shoot themselves daily, and Im enjoying watching their self inflicted wounds grow by the day. So long libs, your outta here.

    • William Nealey

      you got that right Lady,there are an awful lot of people having buyers remorse now. thank God I’m not one of them. I wasn’t stupid enough to fall for that change crap. the only change he would talk about was redistrubution of wealth. I have been sick and tired of a bunch of lazey dope heads living off the tax payers back. I firmly beleive in helping the need. but not the lazey,

      • Palin12

        William, isn’t it amazing? Of the 10 richest members of Congress, 8 are democrats. Starting with John Kerry, D-Mass with estimated $215 million and along with his wife Heinz esimated $1.0 BILLION. Pelosi comes in 23rd with $25 Million. Al Gore lives in a 20-bedroom mansion with a monthly electric bill 0f $2,500 derived from fossil fuels. The point is, why don’t these guys redistribute their own wealth? They have huge expense accounts in addition to their salary, such as pelosi’s $100,000 bar tab.

        • Marc

          Since the have so much money, they will be hit harder by new taxes on the “wealthy”. So I guess they will be redistributing more of their money. I don’t make over $125,000 a year…how many of the readers here do ?
          One breakdown on wealth distribution in the US:

          17 % of households over $100,000
          7 % of individuals over $100,000

          80 % of households under $100,000
          93 % of individuals under $100,000

          Don’t know why there is a 3 % discrepancy in the household incomes.
          I’m not a statistician.

          Source: one of the graphs on this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

          • denniso

            William…if you weren’t ‘stupid enough to vote for Obama’,then I guess you WERE stupid enough to vote for a doddering old man who would have been the oldest elected prez ever who would have continued the idiotic Bush policies,and one of the dumbest and least educated VP candidates ever in barbie Palin…now that would have been real buyers remorse. You probably voted for the already senile Reagan in his 2nd term and I guess you don’t mind having a prez who can’t think or remember and a ditzy wife who ran the Whitehouse based on astrology…you people don’t learn,I guess you can’t.

          • JeffH

            Oh poor dennisso, I feel your hate deep inside, let it go…scream at the top of your lungs…hate, hate, hate….

          • Palin12

            Denniso….a hell of a lot of people voted for Reagan his second term, especially compared to dumbass Mondale who pomised a tax increase. Read it and weep! Reagan carried 49 states, Mondale 1 (his home state). 525 electoral votes to 13. Just about the biggest ass-kicking in US Presidential history!! Reagan ended the Cold War too, in case you’ve forgotten. And best of all, he got rid of Carter.

          • Palin12

            Denniso…FYI….Sarah has the same level of education as Pelosi…Bachelor’s Degree….no more, no less….same as me. You might also be interested to know that Abe Lincoln had the least formal education of any US President and I think he turned out pretty darn good!

          • Smilee

            I VOTED FOR REAGAN TWICE, I NOW KNOW IT WAS THE TWO BIGGEST MISTAKES OF MY LIFE FAR WORSE THAN GOLDWATER,NIXON,FORD,BUSH 41 WHOM I ALSO VOTED FOR, THEN I GOT SMART AND VOTED FOR CLINTON, GORE, KERRY AND OBAMA

          • denniso

            Palin…you think that a law degree is the same as a bachelors degree?? Hardly…and as for Lincoln,that was 150 yrs ago,this is now,when education is way more important than in his time…the world is substantially changed and much more complicated.

            Smilie…glad to hear you learned from your mistake…don’t you wish some of the haters would try to learn and not stay stuck w/ the same old dogma???

          • Palin12

            Denniso…you are mistaken, Queen pelosi does not have a law degree. She has a BA in political science from Trinity College (look it up on Wikipedia, moron!) She is not in the least more educated than Sarah, just older, crabbier and a drunk.

          • Palin12

            Denniso…perhaps you were thinking of Hillary Pantsuit…she is a lawyer. I realize it’s easy for you to get pelosi and clinton mixed up, they are so similar.

          • denniso

            No, I thought the comparison was between Palin and Obama,since that has been brought up many times,and Palin was on track to be VP and maybe prez….why compare Palin to Pelosi? You people are pushing her for prez and Pelosi is only speaker,w/ no apparent ambition to be prez.
            Palin is a modern Barbie doll…one that kills moose and acts tough yet plays the Barbie roll of ‘pretty’ girl and wife. She’s still a joke…

          • zack

            All the the man in the white house has is a dip $h!t degree. He is not a lawyer. He has not got enough sense to be dog catcher. Palin would make him look like a bigger idiot than he already is.

          • Nightowl872

            I am curious, ALL records of obama’s are sealed, so HOW do you know he has any degree??

          • zack

            Because we would find out then that he is not a born US citizen. That would also prove that he received Government loans while being a citizen of Kenya. His birth place. Wake up dude

          • Palin12

            denniso, you are revealing your idiocy more and more everyday! This discussion from the very beginning was comparing Sarah’s educational level with Pelosi’s, not Obama’s. I pointed out both women have BA degrees and no more. I never once mentioned Obama, and even his education is questionable. Now would you mind informing me what law school did pelosi go to? You liberals better wake up and see the writing on the wall. All of your arguments center around only two things: racism and intelligence. Keep calling your opponent a racist and keep informing us what an uneducated person your opponent is. Sorry, we all see through it and you better come up with something original cause it just won’t work anymore.

        • http://YAHOO.COM Sue C

          Hey, Palin 12! How come you know everyone’s personal business, in minute details? How much of your own, do you know? People like you never GET UP/GET RICH, IN LIFE, because they are busy minding other people’s business! Again, I repeat! Get a life!

          America is not about Democrats/Republicans! It is about who will get the job, “done.” As far as I can see, way back to the early 80s, the only thing I saw your republicans do, was fill their pockets, and their rich friends’ pockets, and trampled the rights of the poor! It is quite obvious you were not born as yet, so you have no idea, what white republicans did to all other peoples! More than obvious, is the fact that you are white, and usually white people do not think other people are people!!!!

          Do your research, and then open your mouth to BLA about the Democrats!
          There are bad and good people in both parties, but worst of all are the Republicans who talk, “GOD! GOD!, at election time, and GO TO ALL THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES, TO BLOW THE TRUMPET ABOUT HOW GOOD THEY ARE, AND THE PASTORS ARE USUALLY LOOKING FOR THEIR TAX BREAKS, FOR ALL THE MONIES THAT THEY BLED OUT OF THE POCKET BOOKS OF THE GULLIBLE, AND VERY TRUSTING AMERICAN PEOPLE, with one of their FAMOUS OLD LINE, Democrats KILL UNBORN BABIES!

          YET THE REPUBLICANS (CONSERVATIVES/FAR RIGHT PROFESSORS), HAVE EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIRS, AND SINCE YOU KNOW EVERYONE’S BUSINESS, CAN YOU TELL US, HOW MANY BABIES THE REPUBLICANS KILLED IN THE ABORTION CLINIC, THAT TAX-PAYERS PAID FOR, WHILE THEY ARE HOLLERING LORD, LORD?

          Also, Sarah Palin is a QUITTER! SHE LEFT HER JOB, AS GOVERNOR OF ALASKA, IN THE MIDDLE OF HER 4 YEAR TERM, AND YOU CALL YOURSELF, BY A QUITTER’S NAME, AND WANT A QUITTER TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA IN 2012? GIRL! YOU ARE NUTS!!!!! SORRY, TO BE SO HARSH, BUT YOU NEED SOMEONE TO OPEN YOUR EYES TO TRUTH! THANK YOU, “MISSY.”

          • Palin12

            Welcome to the board Sue. Since you are new, I’ll be nice today. But only today. You have made a lot of assumptions. All the information I posted about rich politicians is readily available in a single web page, which is derived from the Freedom of Information Act. It takes less than 5 minutes to uncover it, if that’s what you call not having a life. I still have never heard any reasoning from the liberals as to why these rich politicians don’t redistribute their own wealth. There are also republicans who I don’t support, my own Sen. Ensign among them. His behaviour is reprehensible and has made him totally ineffective. I want all of the politicians to be accountable to the people. They were put there to serve us, not for us to serve them like pelosi’s $100,000 bar tab. Now, as to Sarah’s quitting. From the moment she was announced as candidate for VP, hordes of democratic operatives descended upon Alaska to dig up any dirt they could, and when they couldn’t find anything they started making up BS like Troopergate. Frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit was filed, all taking time away from her duties as governor, and all but one minor misdemeanor was dismissed. Rather than have the taxpayers continue paying a salary, she resigned. I would have preferred seeing Obama do the same from the Senate, where he was absent from Day One while out campaigning. He accomplished nothing in the Senate, not one bill did he author. The democratic playbook on how to win elections goes like this:1) Accuse your opponent of being a racist; 2) Accuse your opponent of being stupid; 3) When all else fails, blame Bush. They have been playing this game at least 50 years. They said Eisenhower was just a dumb military guy, while their man Stevenson was an intellectual from Princeton. Then Reagan was just a dumb actor, but Mondale was the real dummy from the beginning promising a tax hike. Then we had Bush who was so dumb he read “My Pet Goat” upside down. Now they use the same rationale on Sarah repeating the mantra over and over “Sarah is dumb” hoping a third of the population will buy it.
            You don’t graduate from college, become a successful woman by your own hard work, then Governor of the largest state by being dumb. She knows how to use common sense to balance a budget, something the present occupant could use.

      • http://personalliberty.com dipper43

        redistribution or “spread the wealth” is from Karl Marx’s teachings and is not the brain child of obama. obama studied under Sol Lewinsky who was a professor of Marxism. his teachings were to take over control of industry same as obama is doing and high taxes to take over power in order to be a dictator. Read Karl Marx and you’ll see where and how obama is following his exact teachings. More people need to realize this. Michelle also studied under Lewinsky and because of these teachings when her husband campaigned for the presidency was the first time she had been proud of America.

        • JeffH

          dipper43, you got that right. Saul Alinsky is the liberal/progressive main man. When you read his rules, you understand and realize the common thread that binds the rant of these liberals to his teachings.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Garret is pulling a April Fool’s Canard on you.

            Beware of the lead lemming.

          • denniso

            Dipper is full of it…what a bunch of crap. Where do you get this baloney from? Oh yeah, Limbaugh and Savage,your two leaders.
            I know many ‘liberals’ and I don’t know anyone who has read Saul Alinsky…you guys have created a boogey man that we don’t know anything about. Why don’t you try Noam Chomsky,or Ralph Nader,or Bernie Sanders or someone we know a little about??

          • JeffH

            dennisso and international corporate socialist…just for you two think alikes.

            Barack Obama seems to have effortlessly achieved voter adoration, fresher, younger, more at ease within his own skin than she will ever be. He would appear to be as much a natural as her own Bill. It may appear to a great many observers that Barrack Obama is just one incredibly audacious, even lucky, albeit frighteningly charismatic dude.

            One of Obama’s early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, about Obama:

            “He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.”

            These personal qualities are not the sole reason he is where he is, and I suspect the wily Mrs. Clinton knows this full well. I suspect it must bother her that Obama also appears to have mastered the playbook used by her own political teacher, the legendary amoral guru of left wing activism, Saul Alinksy.

            Hillary has met not only her match in Alinsky tactics, she has met the master of bloodless socialist revolution, in my opinion.

            Obama Not Starry-Eyed Like His Followers!
            http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            JeffH, thank you for reminding me and giving me reason to take another look at Saul Alinsky. He doesn’t sound like a bad person.

            Saul Alinsky, born of Russian Jewish immigrant parent in 1909, was compared in 1972 Playboy Magazine to Thomas Paine as “one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left.” Alinsky did not join political organizations. When asked during the Playbow interview whether he ever considered becoming a Communist party member, he replied:

            “Not at any time. I’ve never joined any organization — not even the ones I’ve organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it’s Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as ‘that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you’re right.’ If you don’t have that, if you think you’ve got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.”

            Conservative author William F. Buckley said he (Salinsky) was “very close to being an organizational genius.” Illinois governor Adlai Stevenson, who said Alinsky’s aims ‘most faithfully reflect our ideals of brotherhood, tolerance, charity and dignity of the individual.’ ” Starting out as a part time organizer for the C.I.O. Union in the 1930’s, Salinsky ended up in organizing and founding community organizations around the country. Even Richard Daly, the Democratic Fascist Mayor of Chicago in the 1960’s hated him from Salinsky’s 1950’s onward attention to the African-American ghettos of Chicago, although Daley would later say that “Alinsky loves Chicago the same as I do.”

            Alinsky feared the middle class could be driven to a right-wing viewpoint, “making them ripe for the plucking by some guy on horseback promising a return to the vanished verities of yesterday.” His stated motive: “I love this goddamn country, and we’re going to take it back.”

            I have never paid any attention to Paul Salinsky. My own preference is the leadership style of Huey Long in the 1920’s and early 1930’s. The bankrupt thinking of Aynn Rand and Dr. Ron Paul, Doctor Death of the American economy, are lemming leaders of the right-wing viewpoint.

            If we could just get conservatives leaders like William (Bill) F. Buckley back, we would be in good shape.

          • denniso

            Radio…thanks for the informative post. I’m not sure what it is these guys hate so much about Alinsky??

          • Palin12

            very revealing article JeffH! Thanks!

          • Michael J.

            Radio and Denniso,
            Saul Alinsky, Born to Russian-Jewish parents in Chicago in 1909, Saul Alinsky was a Marxist who helped establish the dual political tactics of confrontation and infiltration that characterized the 1960s and have remained central to all subsequent revolutionary movements in the United States. Though Alinsky is generally viewed as a member of the political left, and rightfully so, his legacy is more methodological than ideological. He identified a set of very specific rules that ordinary citizens could follow, and tactics that ordinary citizens could employ, as a means of gaining public power. His motto was, “The most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired results.” Alinsky studied criminology as a graduate student at the University of Chicago, during which time he became friendly with Al Capone and his mobsters. After completing his graduate work in criminology, Alinsky went on to develop what are known today as the Alinsky concepts of mass organization for power. In the late 1930s he earned a reputation as a master organizer of the poor when he organized the “Back of the Yards” area in Chicago, an industrial and residential neighborhood on the Southwest Side of the city, so named because it is near the site of the former Union Stockyards; this area had been made famous in Upton Sinclair’s 1906 novel The Jungle. In 1940 Alinsky established the aforementioned Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), through which he and his staff helped “organize” communities not only in Chicago but throughout the United States. IAF remains an active entity to this day. Its national headquarters are located in Chicago, and it has affiliates in the District of Columbia, twenty-one separate states, and three foreign countries (Canada, Germany, and the United Kingdom). In the Alinsky model, “organizing” is a euphemism for “revolution” — a wholesale revolution whose ultimate objective is the systematic acquisition of power by a purportedly oppressed segment of the population, and the radical transformation of America’s social and economic structure. The goal is to foment enough public discontent, moral confusion, and outright chaos to spark the social upheaval that Marx, Engels, and Lenin predicted — a revolution whose foot soldiers view the status quo as fatally flawed and wholly unworthy of salvation. Thus, the theory goes, the people will settle for nothing less than that status quo’s complete collapse — to be followed by the erection of an entirely new system upon its ruins. Toward that end, they will be apt to follow the lead of charismatic radical organizers who project an aura of confidence and vision, and who profess to clearly understand what types of societal “changes” are needed.

            Sources: Discover the Networks, Wikipedia, Answers.com

            When Marxist/Leninism evolved into Political Correctness in a communist think tank called The Frankfurt School in 1923 Germany then moved to Columbia University in New York, New York in 1933, Saul Alinsky was there. He later became a major therorist associated with the school before writing the liberal bible, “Rules for Radicals” which inspired the careers of Hilary Clinton and Barak Obama.

            If this is an inconvenient truth for you, to steal a line from a unsucessful weatherman, then sobeit!

          • denniso

            Yep, Hillary and Obama are pretty radical…Hillary is a millionaire,secretary of state…Obama is SO left that he’s losing the confidence of ‘the left’. He has ramped up the war in Afghanistan and ignored our pleas for single payer healthcare…he has just opened up more off shore oil drilling…some radical,that Obama.
            So what if people read someone who has learned how to organize and protest? So what if he wanted a different form or style of gov’t?
            Don’t most of the hotheads here want a revolution in our country,peaceful or not?
            I can read many people,alive or dead, w/o taking on all their beliefs…can’t you?

          • Nightowl872

            Dennisio, so you know NOTHING about Saul Alinsky?? You paid no attention to the warnings during the campaign and still haven’t tried to find out what motivates him. ALL of obama’s appointees are communist. Those are the only ones he associates with.

          • denniso

            Night…you are not sounding very smart…’All of Obama’s appointees are communist’??? Is that why they are bailing out the car co’s and wall street? come on, use your head for something more than spouting nonsense. Think!!! Just so you know,communists hate capitalism and wall street…Obama is trying to save your pension/savings and capitalism as well.

          • zack

            denniso yea right, he’s trying to save it alright. For him and the rest of the democrats to fatten their wallet.

        • Meteorlady

          denniso – you just have to follow the lead Marxist lemming and his followers you really don’t have to read just listen to them. They actually like it better if you don’t actually know what they are really doing.

          • denniso

            Meteor…you’re so clueless,it amazes me. The rightwing is legend for following like sheep the fools Limbaugh,Savage,now Beck,Palin…you ppeople don’t read real history or study political science or economics…you spout dogma that comes regurgitated out of Limbaugh’s mouth. I listen to the fatcat drug criminal every day for a few mins and can then detect his words and nonsense in every rightwing rant…it’s like clockwork. Liberals/progressives don’t follow individuals except rarely…we actually read conflicting opinions and examine our own beliefs regularly. That’s why the Dem party is so fragile,the diversity and differing opinions often cause the party to implode…Repubs on the other hand are very homogeneous,very little diff between most and all ranting against the gov’t,unless they are in power,of course….

          • Nightowl872

            denniso says:
            April 5, 2010 at 5:41 pm

            You listen to different views?? Different SOCIALIST views. When was the last time you looked past what the lead socialist told you about anything??

        • zack

          Right on dipper michello jello and obama momma deserve each other.Neither one of them like America. They want even salute the American FLAG. What losers.

        • ’53 Korean Vet

          Gosh– After all these disclosures about how Saul Alinsky got to be “Friends” in Chicago with Al Capone, maybe this explains what happens when they never found the body of “Jimmy Hoffa”, who got ‘cross-ways’ with Communist Members in the Truckers Labor Union-! He just thought–that he was “Part of a Gang”–not a “party”-!!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Beberoni, Awesome!___The Libs can’t leave soon enough!__Lie, Lies and More Lies!__Secret deals and Suck ups!_______Confindence in Washington is gone!__and I have said it before, “let the vermin Dems hang themeselves__” speak at the poll, folks!!__All the whinin’ and cryin’ here, means we’re just venting to one another, which is good, venting keep tempers from erupting in violence!__Just gotta keep our cool til November__Then just like Charlie Callas use to say, but with a twist____”these-Dems-are-outta-here” :)

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        The people that voted the Obama Administration didn’t expect the hop and change they’re getting, but Washington wasn’t prepared for the uprise of the people either, it’s time they know who’s boss!__TThey need to know,that we are awake, reading and getting informed!__Washington may be Ivy Leagers, but COMMON SENSE RULES!!
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

        • momof4

          Angel,
          You go girl!!!!!I am with you!!!

    • JeffH

      Chip Wood, thanks for a very well written article. You’ve nailed it one more time. Even though Washington DC continues to push and shove, I am really getting a gut feeling that as we push back at them they’re feeling it. It’s still a very long and bumpy road to travel and there will be a lot of collateral damage, but I do get the feeling that we can eventually stop the “Dam from bursting wide open” by plugging most of the holes these Marxist/socialists are making.
      The Marxist president is losing a bit of his balance, but you can bet he’s got more tricks in his gigantic “Alinsky” handbag and his George Soros manual. That ,alone, makes him ever more dangerous to America.

      Beberoni, well said my man.

    • Judy

      Let us not forget that this started with the Bush administration bailing out banks when they had overwhelming reply from the public prior to their vote not to do it. the Government has not worked for the people for a very long time.

      • Joe H.

        Judy,
        And let’s not forget that there was a dem majority at the time also!!!
        It’s the GOVERNMENT period!!!

      • denniso

        Judy, do you actually think that ‘the people’ know anything about economics or banking or high finance or what to do when capitalism collapses? If you do,then why elect anyone to higher office? Why pay to have PHD economists working for the gov’t? Would you really be comfortable w/ ‘the people’ deciding complex issues that they know very little about?
        Do you remember that more than 1/2 of ‘the people’ didn’t want to invade Iraq and Bush didn’t listen? We elect leaders who are supposed to know or learn more about big issues than we do…

        • Michael J.

          Denniso,
          It’s not about “hi finance or economist with PHD’s”, it’s about fundamentally changing America into Karl Marx’s wet dream utopia of Communism. You wouldn’t recognize Communism if it hit you with a hammer and sickle!

          • denniso

            Your comment above seemed pretty sane…this one,you appear to be unhinged again. No one is turning the country into Marx’s dream, unless you mean Bush, who jammed through the trillion $ drug plan?
            The healthcare plan that just passed was in response to the failed market based system that left millions uncovered and millions losing their homes due to the obscene costs of illness. Can’t you demagogues
            understand that if the ‘free market’ healthcare system worked there would have been no demand for any cahnge at all…it’s broken,because of individual greed and institutional greed and self interest.

      • Meteorlady

        Judy – you need to read the time line. Bush bailed out AIG, and started looking at the big banking institutions. Obama was the cheer leader for this and gave them more once in office.

        Obama distinguished his plan from Bush’s by adding some complicated terms such as “bad Bank”. His plan though, was exactly like Bush’s. So Obama upped the price to US taxpayers by $2.5 TRILLION more to buy the garbage loans. Many urged Obama to assert ownership over the amounts given to the banks. He did not, leaving the same shareholders and inept mangers in place. Then Obama actually encouraged banks to increase their lending, but did not tell the banks how they should spend the government money.

        Why did Obama ignore the advice of nationalization? Simple – he completely shared Bush’s concept of free market and was afraid so early in his presidency to “nationalize”. Some people believe that Obama will ultimately have to nationalize insolvent banks. Other, leading economics professors, believe these banks should have been left to fail or broken up because the are too big. Most also conclude that government handouts to big corporations have utterly failed and Obama was wrong to increase the government spending for this.

        Finally, Obama spent more in his first six months than ALL PRESIDENTS combined and you just simply can’t blame that on Bush. Bush had the Democrat’s budget imposed during his last two years in office and during the first year of Obama’s presidency.

    • http://rebecca@gbryant.com R. Bryant

      Hey Berberoni, and EVERYONE,

      Please check out http://www.articlesoffreedom.us/ThePlan.aspx . There are BIG PLANS scheduled at every STATE CAPITAL on APRIL 19, 2010, to take back our country, legally, and peacefully, by serving the elected officials with our petitions of CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS against WE, THE PEOPLE!!!! This is the best plan that I have heard of so far, and if Obama has very much more time, I am really concerned that it will be a whole lot harder, if it is ever accomplished!!!!!!!! PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT Y’ALL THINK ABOUT “THE PLAN”!!!! THANKS!!!

      Sincerely,
      R. Bryant

      • JeffH

        R. Bryant, thanks man. Will do.

      • Smilee

        IT SUCKS, THE WORK OF A SICKO OR BUNCH OF SICKOS, IF ITS A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION YOUR AFTER YOU NEED 34 STATES TO VOTE FOR ONE, AND IF YOU HAPPEN TO GET ONE YOU WOULD NEED 3/4 OF THE CONVENTION TO APPROVE ANY CHANGES. WHO EVER WROTE THIS GARBAGE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTANDS THE CONSTITUTION AS IT IS NOW, THIS IS THE WORK OF SICKOS AND THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD BE TURING IN THEIR GRAVES AS IT WOULD UNDUE ALL THEIR GOOD WORK THAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED. YOU COULD OF AT LEAST HAD A LAWYER HELP YOU AT LEAST IT WOULD WOULD A LEGAL MANEUVER, AS THIS IS PURE GARBAGE, PLEASE TREAT IT FOR WHAT IT IS, PURE GARBAGE AND BECAUSE IT IS GARBAGE IT WILL IN THE END BE DISPOSED OF AS GARBAGE. THE ONLY POSITIVE THING ABOUT IT AS IT WILL SHOW AMERICANS HOW RADICAL THOSE THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER REALLY ARE. THIS IS REALLY SICK, NOT JUST MIXED UP PEOPLE BUT REAL SICK PEOPLE.

        • Michael J.

          Smilee,
          Sounds like the Articles of Freedom site has got you riled up. Usually it takes an comment about Sarah Palin to get you so steamed. Could it be that both issues threaten you to your Liberal core in the same way?
          Could the thought of restoring The Constitution to original default settings be as abrasive to your sensitive, limp wristed sensibilities as a strong hetrosexual female conservative does? And as for your fonting in all caps, is this an indicator that your blood pressure is peaking? Calm down before you explode. Try doing something that relaxes you like fondling that anatomically correct life size Obama doll that’s in your closet.

          • Smilee

            Michael J. says:
            April 6, 2010 at 1:19 pm

            Smilee,
            Sounds like the Articles of Freedom site has got you riled up. Usually it takes an comment about Sarah Palin to get you so steamed. Could it be that both issues threaten you to your Liberal core in the same way?
            Could the thought of restoring The Constitution to original default settings be as abrasive to your sensitive, limp wristed sensibilities as a strong hetrosexual female conservative does? And as for your fonting in all caps, is this an indicator that your blood pressure is peaking? Calm down before you explode. Try doing something that relaxes you like fondling that anatomically correct life size Obama doll that’s in your closet.

            PALIN HAS NEVER GOTTEN ME STEAMED UP, I’VE ALWAYS LAUGHED AT HER AS SHE IS SUCH A JOKE AND CERTAINLY NOT A THREAT AND NOTHING BUT A WEAK MINDED HETEROSEXUAL (AS FAR AS I KNOW) WOMAN. YOU MAY WANT TO LIVE IN THE 18TH CENTURY BUT I THOUGHT YOU KNEW BY NOW THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, BUT WORSE THIS IS NOT ABOUT DEFAULT SETTINGS THIS IS ABOUT DRASTICALLY CHANGING IT TO SOMETHING IT NEVER WAS IN EFFECT DESTROYING THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND YES THAT DOES GET ME STEAMED ALSO YOU IGNORANT’S WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE DOING.. NO BP PROBLEMS. NOTHING RAISES MY BP NOT EVEN IDIOTS LIKE YOU I AM TO DOWN TO EARTH FOR THAT

          • zack

            Smilee if you had any sense you would be dangerous, you sicko. Go back and read your comments none of them make any sense at all. Crawl back up obama’s arse where you fell out of, and didn’t get flushed, you moron turd.

          • Palin12

            Smilee you got something against heterosexual women? Your heterophobia is showing!

        • zack

          Smilee thanks for calling and talking about the sickos OBAMA, and the Democrazy’s in Washington. I knew you would finally wake up. You being a sicko along with the rest of the sicko’s on here that like Obamamomma will soon see the light in NOVEMBER. HAHAHAHAHAHA How sick can you get

      • Smilee

        MORE ABOUT THESE SICKOS

        CUT AN PASTED FROM THEIR DOCUMENT, ISN’T IT IRONIC THAT THEY WANT A GOVERNMENT THAT RECOMMENDS A CERTAIN BEHAVIOR FOR ALL AND STILL SAY THAT THIS IS ABOUT FREEDOM, THIS DOCUMENT IS FULL OF THEM WANTING TO IMPOSE ALL KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND THEN THEY HAVE THE GAUL TO SAY THEY STAND FOR FREEDOM, ONLY FREEDOM FOR THEM WHILE THE $HIT ON ALL WHO BELIEVE DIFFERENT THEM — THIS IS A SICK SICK DOCUMENT IT IS SIGNED BY MANY AND I DID NOT RECOGNIZE ONE NAME, THIS IS A BIG BIG JOKE

        THEREFORE, We, the Delegates of Continental Congress 2009, recommend the following actions to be taken by the People:

        1. Each of us, beginning with ourselves and our family, set apart a day of fasting, weekly, monthly or whenever, to appeal to and to meditate and pray for the blessing of Divine Providence, in guiding our steps and assisting us in our struggle against the enemies of liberty, in reclaiming our freedom, and to encourage our friends and neighbors to do the same;

        2. Encourage your minister, priest, rabbi, or other religious or spiritual leader to lead their congregation in a monthly day of fasting, meditation and prayer, for the blessing of Divine Providence to guide the success of our efforts;

        • Erik

          Like MAO SAID (and i’m begining to belive it) “The only real political power comes from the barrel of a gun”

          • Smilee

            HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN MARTIN LUTHER KING’S POWER, FEW IN THIS COUNTRIES HISTORY DEMONSTRATED THE POWER HE DID AND HE NEVER PICKED UP A GUN???? ANY FOOL CAN USE A GUN, IT TAKES A WISE MAN TO EXERT POWER WITHOUT ONE, WHICH HE WAS AND HE DID.

          • MikeC

            Smilee, unfortunately, MLK lost his life to the barrel! So much for your theory!

          • Smilee

            Mike your confused, he never picked up a gun did he, the fact someone else did does not change anything I said and my theory is still totally sound

          • MikeC

            Yes, it does!

      • zack

        R. Bryant I won’t be able to attend for I am in Afghanistan fighting a useless war for a Muslim president As a Seal I have done what I came over here to do,and then some. Suppose to get out of this hell hole in June. Unless obama tries to nuke us while we are here. I’m with you man

        • ’53 Korean Vet

          As a Veteran–I’ll pray for you to get back safely-! I’ll Cheer for you–when you return, we need you & your buddies here to take over, once we’ve voted out the Lawyers, who lied to us, about how great America would be, under THEM-! The “TEA PARTY” is just “Part of Our Silent-Majority”–! We’ll need to cut funding to Liberal Colleges that teach Brain-Washing of Soviet-Socialism-!

    • http://YAHOO.COM Sue C

      I just don’t understand your logic! I think you have no clue what you are talking about! Do your research, and then BLA YOUR MOUTH!

  • RivahMitch

    It’s irrelevant that they might lose future elections if they can inflict sufficient damage as to make it irreparable. “Out of office” is meaningless if the economy and our military are gutted when they leave. That’s what the Kenyan Marxist is betting on. That he can destroy the economy and our military before he leaves office. IMHO, he’s a very good chance of success, especially since, at the moment, the penalties for himself and his minions are limited to a very comfortable retirement with fawning media… Occasionally, even Louis Farankan may express a worthwhile idea.

    • William Nealey

      yep you’r right. look what the clintons did to the FBI CIA and the Military and even the whitehouse on their way out, there are members of the clinton gang who should be in prison at this time. but George Bush was able to rebuild all three in spite of opposition from the dems. inidendaly that was one of the causes of 911. the clintons had so thouroly screwed up the CIA and the FBI the intelligence gathering was practicaly nonexistant,

      • Joe H.

        william,
        You left out one department that was gutted as well. The VA was screwed up so badly that VA hospitals all over the country were places you DIDN’T want to go to if you were sick, injured, or suffering from a debilitating handicap!!!! It was truly disgusting the way these vets that had fought for us and given everything they had to give were being treated!!!

    • JeffH

      That Marxist knows he is a one term president and his master puppetiers have helped create an administration that is capable of inflicting maximum damage. I don’t, however, believe that they factored in FOX and the strong public resistance they’re getting this early in his presidency. They might own the MSM, but the FOX was smarter than the “hound” this time around.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        JeffH, Nice play on words!!!

      • Palin12

        Good one, Jeff!

      • Hugh Jordan

        Fox News a paragon of journalistic integrity??!!! The mouthpiece of ultra right wing Rupert Murdock who’s less American than Obama.

        The kind of not job like his fellow countryman, Mr. Ham who built that shameful, anti science Creation Museum in Kentucky selling quasi science to the ignorant and gullible.

        • JeffH

          Nice try, almost a valiant effort. Like a pig squealing, if you’ve heard it once, you’ve heard it a hundred times. The names might change but the sound is the same.
          In other words, keep tryin’ to sell it, I’m just not buyin’ it!

          • Hugh Jordan

            How sad for you.

          • JeffH

            Sad is the scream you guys make SUEY SUEY SUEY!

          • zack

            JeffH Hugh Jordan has no idea what he is talking about. You are right Suey, Suey, Suey. Hugh’s native call

        • naturalist

          Don’t fall for the hoax that Fox News is on the side of the Constitutionalists. It is still part of the mainstream media, just not as blatantly socialist as CBS,NBC,ABC, etc. And how can you possibly lable Rupert Murdock as a “right-winger”? Check the records from the last Presidential Primary. One of the candidates to whom Murdock contributed was Hilary Clinton !!!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody on the side of the Constitutionalists would ever do that. Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh do a good job of exposing news about what is going wrong, but we need someone else to tell people what we can effectively do to correct the situation. Just supporting Republicans will not save the country.

          • Judy

            that is right. How many of your rights do you think you will loose before the elections?

        • scott

          ya moron.keep showing what a feeble minded nitwit you really are.all you liberal scum always whine the same thing.(offensive words removed) you love so much.always makeing excuses of how it,s not they,re fault they,re lazy,worthless theiveing dope smokers.everybody else is keeping them down,even tho they have 10 times the opprotunity than whites to get free schooling and everything else.it,s not they,re fault they shot that person,it,s the gun makers fault.get a life scumbag and open your eyes.i forget,you can,t,your to stupid.like thew monkeys,just tell you something stupid and liberal and thats all you can see.

          • Hugh Jordan

            Scot-

            You are doubtless an intellectual giant who has the inside scoop on reality. Your use of invectives is almost as impressive as your ignorance.

          • Joe H.

            Hugh,
            It’s not very often I agree with a liberal, but this time I make an exception!!!

          • Palin12

            I second that Joe. Probably a plant from SEIU.

          • zack

            SEIU South East IDIOT University

        • Meteorlady

          Like the Yellow Pages – you just never stop selling. Not buying. Not giving any more of my hard earned money to people that don’t deserve it.

      • http://royaltoypoodle.com Maxine Albritton

        I am beginning to fear that the Marxist knows he is a one term president because we may be stupid enough to allow him to continue his term as long as Castro did. Till health fails or death do he parts. About the tax situationa and the rich not paying their fair share what they mean is not everyone in this country is equally poor yet as the Marxist doctrine teaches but somehow there still seems to be an elite on top. Go Figure that!

        • scott

          (comment removed for offensive content)

          • JeffH

            Mr. Livingston, could you please remove this guys constant racial rhetoric and jabber?

  • http://www.oneordinaryman.com One Ordinary Man

    In priinciple, I agree that we should all pay a “flat rate” or simply a national sales tax. But given the hole we’re in, I believe that the wealthy among us, and I’m one of them, should pay more…but only if that “more” is going to pay down the debt. We must dramatically shrink the size of government, and get out of the foreign wars that are draining us. While I’m willing to pay “more” than others with lower incomes, I don’t believe that anyone should have to pay more than 50% of their income in taxes…and that means all taxes (federal income tax, property taxes, sales taxes, gasoline tax, etc.)

    • William Nealey

      your a good man.and I do agree with you.Mr spread the wealth obama for all his talk have any of you heard anything about him spreading any of his millions? hell no and you aint gonna.he loves flying around the country burning up tax dollars for pleasure trips like datenights to New York for michelle,such inane crap as that,

    • marvin

      i am a poor man and have so been all my life but i keep my bills paid have no credit cards have payed in to ss from 1963 and medicare in 1965 both are broke , paying in more is not the ansure my ss check went down and the unionized fed emmploys got a 2% raise the more you give or should i say goverment take, the more they spend here are some of your goverments best run plans postoffice broke/medicare broke/ the va broke /the schools broke/medicaid broke/ and now obamacare we have elected crooks that care more about there bottom line and what they can get to sell you the tax payer out to obama pelosie reid ,,cap and tax is more money to spend amnesty is more votes obamacare more power, way i see it amnesty has never worked more tax is more goverment spending obamacare will destroy the best health care in the world , so here is my take anyone that voted for obamacare or voted for amnesty or cap and tax less give them a long vacation without pay VOTE THE CROOKED MONEY HUNGRY TAX AND SPEND AMNESTY LOVING BUMS OUT

    • JeffH

      One Ordinary Man, what you say is very noble and I thank you for that,
      however, these socialist charlatans will keep going to the well until it is dry.

  • Ed

    America we have been betrayed in so many ways by the DNC, its members and sycophants singing the sweet Siren song of progressive communism.

    Oh, you remember who the Sirens were. In Greek mythology, the Sirens were creatures with the head of a beautiful female and the body of a bird. At a distance they appeared most beautiful and complete. They lived on an island (Sirenum scopuli; three small rocky islands) and with the irresistible charm of their song they lured mariners to their destruction on the rocks surrounding their island (Virgil V, 846; Ovid XIV, 88).

    The attraction of the progressive movement is as devious, hollow and putrid as was the Sirens song. But the Sirens song was so compulsive and full of promise that sailors just had to hear it. Like a moth to light, they drove their ships onto the rocks in trying to reach that empty promise heard in the Sirens voice. In the same manner our Ship of State is fast approaching it’s destruction. The rocks are close ahead.

    Odysseus is said to have sailed his ship to within earshot of the Sirens and having had himself bound to the mast and his sailors deafened by placing beeswax in their ears, heard the Sirens song and sailed by thus escaping their spell. Since the Sirens were said to be destined to die if anyone truly heard their song and escaped the spell, upon Odysseus sailing off, they flung themselves into the sea and drowned.

    May the fate of the Sirens await the DNC and the “progressives” who have taken charge of it.

    • William Nealey

      a very good analogy Ed.dont forget the RINO. who participated with the deemocrats one in particular lyndsy graham of South Carolind oh yes john McCain ms snow up in maine and others.

      • marvin

        AS SAIDED IN MY OTHER POST ANYONE THAT WANTS OR VOTED FOR AMNESTY OBAMACARE CAP AND TAX AND THAT IS ANYONE VOTE THEM OUT

  • Barb

    It should be noted that the first outcries came from the state of Nebraska and it’s Governor declined the “favor” immediately! Also Uncle Ben as he is known in the state now is a dead duck as far as his political career goes in Nebraska! Nebraskans are still incensed by all this and will not let their ‘Uncle Ben ” forget what he did and how badly he embarrassed and hurt their state!

    • William Nealey

      good point Barb. and a credit to the cornhuskers for standing up against uncle ben.

    • s c

      You’re so right, Barb. Now, if we could get certain states [California, New York, Illinois, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc.] to see their ‘leaders’ for the spineless puppets they are, maybe America could have a chance to change its course and get back to reality.
      It’s not enough to have faith in elected people. We must prevent them from becoming career politicians.
      THAT is the hammer that crushes America’s political monopoly.

      • Joe H.

        sc,
        not all the Ohio reps are of that ilk. Latourette has stood against this crap bill since it was introduced!!!

      • JeffH

        s c, as a Californian, I hope we can make some progress, here, at the polls in November. This state is pretty well over run with the liberal mindset, but there is really a big charge by the conservative movement and a lot of candidates that are putting conservatism ahead of their party politics. I can only hope for positive change.
        I like Meg Whitman for governor, bt there are several issues that still need to be answered by her before I would endorse her.

      • MikeC

        I believe there are 2 Californians aboard! People are awake here, however, most are confused! Not I, said the wiseman! But, if they somehow get the Amnesty Bill passed, forget it!

        • JeffH

          MikeC, Fresno here via N. Californis, El Sobrante.

        • MikeC

          JeffH,
          L.A. via Wisconsin. Pleasure meeting you!

          • I’m G. Soros

            Likewise to you. You must feel out of place in such a liberal infested area like L.A. Central valley is pretty conservative compared to me growing up about 10mi. north of Berkely, but the people here are neighborly, friendly and a little old school.
            Like every city they have drugs and crime, magnified by the gangs and body counts you read about in the papers. Nothing new to the southland’s crime problems though.

          • MikeC

            Hey, IGS!

            Not a problem finding likeminded folks here! I just don’t pay too much mind to the close-minded zombies!

      • scott

        how are you planning to make calif,ny,and states like them see the light when they,re the biggest liberal ones going.they, (sentences removed for offensive content)

        • JeffH

          This is the guy that all of us need to be concerned about. Maybe one of those “Michigan militia” white supremacists.

        • coal miner

          Scott,

          Man, are you for real?You really show your ignorance.I didn’t Know people like you are still around,judging by your spelling, grammar, and punctuations,I say you are a Harvard graduate.Careful Jeffh.He is on the endangered species list. We don’t want to lose him.Ha ha ha

          • JeffH

            I agree with you on this one coal miner.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – he’s (Scott) is probably the “Plant” from the opposition —

          • Palin12

            exactly what I was thinking, LibertyTrain!

  • http://att grover bailey

    you are talking about the cornhisker deal,what about the Louisiana purchase?our senator gave away our stata to the communists for 100 million, which will cost the state trillions of dollars.To our shame I think she has about two more years before we can kick her out.How much more damage can she do in two more years????

    • William Nealey

      another good point Grover. and I hope you people will remember it come election day as I intend doing here in N.C. with sen hagan.

      • Les

        Hagan has 4 more years. I would not count getting her out then. She is just another “SHILL” for Obama. I have her several e-mails but always get the same form letter back. The other politicians letter at least addresses the problems.

      • Palin12

        William, I get the greatest prize of all in November: throwing Dirty Harry, D-Nev out. Maybe that will wipe that smirk off Obummer’s face when he loses his Senate Majority leader! Harry is about to be Daschled!!

      • MikeC

        I trump you, Palin12…I get to throw Pelosi out! ;)

        • Palin12

          Please do! Dina Titus in NV needs to go too. She caved in under pressure from Madame Pelosi and voted against the wishes of her constituents.

        • tedcrawford

          Good luck with that Mike! In a few months you’ll have acorn,I mean a.h.c.a., move on, organize for america et al, over there dragging pelosi’s constitutents out of their holes and hoseing them down and dragging them to the pols! I hope your district is successful at getting the real tax paying people out to vote!

          • Joe H.

            tedc.
            I hope a few of those ACORN types get their assets whipped good and square!! Maybe that will make them think twice before messing with honest voting Americans again!!!

        • Judy

          do you realize they are looking into giving convicts in prison the right to vote because they believe they are mostly democrates?

          • Palin12

            in addition to amnesty!

  • Norm

    The Nebraska bribe was removed from the bill before it was passed. Admitedly, there are still a lot of shady deals in the law.

    Maybe, just maybe, if the Republicans would have participated in the process instead of whining and ranting we could have cleaned the bill up and improved it.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/19/politics/main6314677.shtml

    • valricoslash

      So that mean the Uncle Ben’s vote to end debate, was all for naught. Obama got what he wanted, the ability to pass this affront to Americans with a mere 51 votes. Shame on Nelson, Landreau, and the other who took thes BRIBES. Frankly, they should all be arrestd and jailed like the common theives they are.

    • Warrior

      Chip, my hand is up.

      Norm, where have you been the past year?

      • s c

        Warrior, Normy hides behind the skirts of his heroes. He doesn’t always throw in that predictable ’8 years of Bush’ crap, but he’s right on the edge. When Normy can talk about the many faults of the sleazoids on his side, I’ll consider looking at him as someone who is better than a wacked-out, ultralib progressive (I’ll not be holding my breath waiting).

    • George E

      Norm,

      You are partially correct. If the Republicans had been “allowed” to participate in the process, the current law would have been vetted more thoroughly and the bill would have been improved. Remember, Republicans offered 80 amendments to the recently passed bill, that the Democrats gleefully rejected without debate or consideration. They just wanted to get the bill passed as quickly as they could, warts and all.

      • Norm

        George E
        The amendments were offered, after a year of debate, simply to impede the passage of any bill. They were mostly nonsense changes aimed at causing the Senate to revote the entire bill. The party of “no” shot themselves in the foot(or maybe a little higher).

        • George E

          Norm,

          Surely you agree in hindsight that if the Democrats had adopted a strategy of creating a bipartisan bill from the first instead of drafting the bill by themselves and pushing it through Congress as quickly as they could, counting only on getting Democrat votes, that the bill would have been vetted more thoroughly and a better bill would have been passed. Many of the Democrats in Congress admitted throughout the process that they didn’t even know what was in the bill before they voted for it. How in the world can anyone think the bill was thoroughly vetted with that going on?

          • Norm

            DeMint, McConnel, Boehner, Cantor all vowed, from the day that Obama was elected, to destroy him. It had nothing to do with Healthcare. It had to do with gaining power.
            The healthcare law leaves much to be desired. It is a not liked by the right, the left, or the physical conservatives in either party.
            At least it’s a start in a direction that has to be traveled.

          • George E

            Norm,

            The Republicans who have declared that they want Obama to fail have explained to my satisfaction that they want Obama’s “policies” to fail. He is driving a hard-left agenda which conservatives just can’t stomach. In that, I agree with the Republicans. I’m really concerned about Obama’s “big government” solutions to every problem. I try to be open minded and give people the benefit of the doubt, but in his case, I’m afraid I just can’t cut him any more slack. He’s too far off track for my level of comfort.

            I don’t think the current healthcare law is the right path to travel. It simply gives the government too much power over our healthcare system, while not really doing anything substantial to cut costs or improve quality. Heck, we could have simply paid for healthcare for the few Americans that truly need help paying for healthcare at a lower cost to the taxpayer and certainly in a much less intrusive way than this law goes about it.

          • JeffH

            Normy says: “DeMint, McConnel, Boehner, Cantor all vowed, from the day that Obama was elected, to destroy him. It had nothing to do with Healthcare. It had to do with gaining power.”
            Maybe the smell of a Marxist rat and further socializing America had a small influence in their “vow”!

          • Hugh Jordan

            Calling Obama a Marxist is a ludicrous as those on the left calling Bush a Nazi.

            Let’s get the rhetoric back to RATIONAL levels.

          • George E

            Hugh,

            I’d also like to keep the tone of these discussions civil as well. However, in the spirit of trying to be objective, Obama may not be a Marxist, but apparently a number of his Progressive friends are self-professed Marxists, or admirers of Marxist leaders and philosophies. That, along with the fact that he has demonstrated he believes in “big-government” solutions to every problem, makes him suspect as being a Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, or at least sympathetic with those political philosophies.

          • JeffH

            Hugh Jordan, prove me wrong! I just go where good, solit information takes me. Ludicrous? Not at all.

          • MikeC

            George,

            It doesn’t matter! This IS, WAS, and WILL always be unconstitutional! Putting lipstick on yet another tax, and a take-over of Government via the Insurance companies, is still a Crime of treason! So, personally, the difference in having the RINO’s vote, or contribute to the bill, would just help us identify who needs to be drawn and quartered!

          • eyeswideopen

            George, for Goodness sake, my husband admires Tiger Woods, but that doesn’t mean he himself is a sleaze ball. Now you people have taken it to a new level. I guess if you have ever read something that is not on the conservative approved reading list, then you are a Marxist? If you know someone who has read an unapproved book does that also make you one??? You people are taking quilt by association way too far. How in the heck can you accuse others of being narrow minded and Marxist, with attitudes like that? This is still a free country last time I checked. You better pray none of your children ever read porno or you’d be in trouble, guilt by association.

          • George E

            Eyes,

            Good point. However, in Obama’s case it doesn’t seem to me like his associations with radicals is a casual thing. It appears to me that he has a history of these associations, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that Obama either agrees with them or is in sympathy with them. You’ve heard the saying “birds of a feather.” If Obama isn’t a radical himself, then he needs to work overtime building confidence with those of us that suspect he may be.

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            Your analogy between your husband and Tiger Woods doesn’t fly. Was your husband’s parents golfer’s? Was your husband’s grandparents golfer’s? Was your husbands teenage mentor a golfer? When and if your husband went to college did he seek out golfing professors? When it came to a spiritual advisor, did your husband seek a golfing pastor?

            Barak Obama’s parents were both Communists. Barak Obama’s grandparents were both Communist. Barak Obama’s teenage mentor was known poet and communist Frank Marshall Davis. In his own words, Barak Obama stated that when he entered college he sought out Marxist Professors. Barak Obama’s spiritual advisor for twenty years was the Rev. Jerimiah Wright who is a Marxist.

            Barak Obama has never had a chance or choice to be anything but a Marxist/Communist.

        • Joe H.

          Norm,
          With that comment I can see you didn’t look up HR 956 like I suggested!!! It was submitted about the same time as 3200 was!!! What’s the matter norm don’t know how to look up things???

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Yeah then the suckers, the Dems, smeared the repubs through their LIbby Media, saying the repubs never brought anything to the table, regarding heathcare___That’s nothing but alot of BS!

    • William Nealey

      spoken like a true dem. Norm.blame it on the republicans when the dems.held their meetings behind closed doors and would not allow news people nor Republicans in those meetings except when they wanted to make it look as though they were trying to work with the Repubs. but then would not even take advice nor realey listen to the repubs. or are you hopong we wont remember that. oh yes I am neither repub nor dem. I am Independent but will not be voting for incumbant dems for a great long time.

      • Smilee

        Willy

        Isn’t it interesting that in 2003 with that Medicare bill the same thing was done and a lot more back room deals were made then than now. The republicans took the vote at 3 in the morning for a 15 minute vote and then kept the board open until 6 that morning until they got the five extra votes needed to pass it, that was done by Tom Delay also known as the “Hammer” and he made many of these type of deals to get the votes he needed, and did and passed it. To date it is still regarded as the most sleazy back room deals ever made, Other than on the floor and in committee I have I have never seen anyone discuss any bill in public except on this bill,one time Obama met with the republican caucus before camera’s answering their questions and the second time with members of both parties before the cameras all day discussing it. A year ago on Obama came to Capitol Hill and met with the Republican caucus behind closed doors on health care, guess what before the meeting the Minority leader sent a email to all his members no matter what Obama says we are going to oppose it. That was what they decided before any thing on Health Care was done. It takes two to tango and the republicans refused to tango, from the beginning no matter what they were going to sit this dance out and did. Chip also talks about tax dollars collected in percentage of dollars collected and not percentage of Proportionality of dollars collected which is the only way to make an accurate and honest comparison, you know compare apples with apples and not oranges with apples the way he did it. When you compare it the right way you find the top group pays a lot less by comparison. Warren Buffet amongst many others have said this time and time again, remember when he said his secretary paid a much higher portion of her income than he does. Law making has always been back room deals and horsetrading and reading here you would think the democrats just invented it. Actually this was probably a much more open process than most. The funny thing about this site they do not seem at all interested in promoting open and honest debate and is more about just tossing out red meat to their followers to keep them fed and artificially inflated with this nonsense.

        • JeffH

          Your lovely president has one agenda, to turn America into a 3rd world socialized society that HAS to depend on Big Daddy government to change their diapers at feeding time.
          You liberals have been “used” by Obama, Soros and the gaggle of “the One World Order” supporters of the elite that orchestrated this takeover of our country. Used and don’t even know it! You all deserve the consequences of your actions.

          • Smilee

            Jeff

            Is that the best you can do, issue an opinion on something other than my post, in my opinion your opinion is totally incorrect as it is not supported by any fact, in fact the facts clearly prove the opposite to be true rendering you opinion as nothing more than fabricated BS. Why not put out your views on my post rather than attack attack attack. Clearly you that it results more from your lack of knowledge of what is going on and not my telling the truth you would go a long way to discovering the real truth. Good Luck

          • Smilee

            OOPS. this part of my last post should hace read:

            Clearly that results more from your lack of knowledge of what is going on and not my telling the truth that you do not want to hear, The truth would go a long way in your discovering the real truth if you would open your mind. Good Luck

          • JeffH

            Smilee, in your case, you wouldn’t know the truth if it was in front of you smiling! I’m done posting the links for today, but there are plenty to choose from and I have plenty more. Just ask and you shall recieve.

          • Smilee

            JeffH says:
            April 2, 2010 at 2:29 pm

            Smilee, in your case, you wouldn’t know the truth if it was in front of you smiling! I’m done posting the links for today, but there are plenty to choose from and I have plenty more. Just ask and you shall recieve.

            THERE YOU GO AGAIN! INCAPABLE OF PARTICIPATING IN ANY REASONABLE DEBATE. CHANGE THE SUBJECT, IGNORE THE SUBJECT. A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD HAVE POINTED OUT SUPPORTING EVIDENCE WHY I WOULDN’T KNOW THE TRUTH, YOU, HOWEVER, HIT AN RUN LEAVING US TO CONSIDER THAT THE TRUTH IS NOT SOMETHING YOU ARE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING. I SUBMIT THAT DEEP DOWN YOU KNOW I TOLD THE TRUTH, A TRUTH YOU HAVE A DEEP DISLIKE FOR AND THEREFORE YOUR NOT CAPABLE OF REFUTING IT BECAUSE IT IS THE TRUTH.

          • JeffH

            Smilee, keep smilin’ and smile a little smile for me Rose Marie – Attack is the only method to defeat this Marxist and the Democratic Socialist Party you love so dear…debate my ask me again!

        • Joe H.

          Smellee,
          How many people does medicare effect and how many people does this health bill effect??? Quite a difference when you look at it that factual way doesn’t it?? further proof that Obummer wants to control our lives like in a third world country!!!

          • Joe H.

            BTW, smellee,
            what ever happened to that CNN coverage of the deliberations that your hero said would happen???

          • Smilee

            Joe H. says:
            April 2, 2010 at 4:56 pm

            Smellee,
            How many people does medicare effect and how many people does this health bill effect??? Quite a difference when you look at it that factual way doesn’t it?? further proof that Obummer wants to control our lives like in a third world country!!!
            Reply

            GOD ARE YOU CONFUSED, PROOF, WHAT A JOKE, NOT AN OUNCE OF FACT BUT THEN CONFUSED PEOPLE ARE INCAPABLE OF DEALING WITH REAL FACTS

            Joe H. says: April 2, 2010 at 4:58 pm

            BTW, smellee,
            what ever happened to that CNN coverage of the deliberations that your hero said would happen???

            DELIBERATIONS???? THAT IS SOMETHING JURORS DO, MORE PROOF OF YOUR SERIOUS STATE OF CONFUSION. YOU MAKE NO SENSE BUT THEN YOU RARELY DO!!!

          • Joe H.

            Smellee,
            that’s right libbie argue AROUND the point, just don’t answer it directly. What ever happened to the CNN coverage????

          • Smilee

            JOE

            YOUR IDIOTIC QUESTIONS ARE NOT DESERVING OF AN ANSWER, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH CHILDISH BEHAVIOR

        • eyeswideopen

          Smilee, you know that if they can’t disput the facts, they will change the subject, usually to abortion, guns, or communism. You did a good job on the facts.

          • Smilee

            i KNOW, ALL INTELLIGENT AND HONEST PEOPLE HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT ABOUT JEFF AND JOE

          • JeffH

            We have had you two schills figured out forever, just like Obama. You libbies are being used and you can’t take the time to figure it out! Naner naner naner!

          • Smilee

            Jeff is finally so frustrated from not having any rational or intelligent response so he again reverts to juvenile words and behavior much more his real status anyway. I thank you for that honesty, Jeff.

          • JeffH

            You’re not welcome, thank you…gotcha!

          • zack

            eyeswideopen, smilee, norm, you all have got the IQ of about a 6 mo. old baby. I don’t know how you even wipe your on arse. Do you all live in one of those half way houses? Half stupid, and half ignorant, the kind that has to be led to the bathroom each time you go, and someone giving you your meds. each time you need them? Has to be, because you 3 don’t have enough sense to live by yourself. Your comments don’t make any sense at all. Obama will be by there to check on you 3 when the HC bill is law, and he will flush you all down the toilet. Holy hell.

          • momof4

            Eyes, You should know, that is what you do!!!

          • Smilee

            #
            zack says:
            April 3, 2010 at 10:37 pm

            Zack

            Is that the best you can do, extremely juvenile response, this site is for grownups,I suppose then there is still hope for you, you may even be alright when you grow up. MAYBE, I’m not going to hold my breathe

            eyeswideopen, smilee, norm, you all have got the IQ of about a 6 mo. old baby. I don’t know how you even wipe your on arse. Do you all live in one of those half way houses? Half stupid, and half ignorant, the kind that has to be led to the bathroom each time you go, and someone giving you your meds. each time you need them? Has to be, because you 3 don’t have enough sense to live by yourself. Your comments don’t make any sense at all. Obama will be by there to check on you 3 when the HC bill is law, and he will flush you all down the toilet. Holy hell.
            #

          • zack

            Smilee what the hell you doing on it then, if it is for grownups. What size pull ups you were?

          • Smilee

            Zack, go back and look at your posts they are the work of a very naughty childwho is way over due for a spanking

    • Les

      The Repubs, American Public and even you were completely and deliberately blocked out by the Dems. When you are trying to force Socialism on the country, the last thing you want is for the people to know what you are up to. It reminds me of Castro, he never once mentioned the word Communism until after he was in power

    • tedcrawford

      The Nebraska deal wasn’t retracted, it was Expanded! That created a funding short-fall that required, yet, another tax!
      By the way, Hugh, I’m not calling obama a marxist, he implied himself to be in his book, The Auducity of Hope! In his words, “upon arriveing at college I sought out the radicals, the foreign students and the MARXIST professors” Are you telling me that you don’t believe your own messiah?

    • Judy

      did you also read that par of the health care bill establishes another army? a civilian army?

      • Palin12

        I think you’re referring to the FEMA camps

    • zack

      Norm, maybe, just maybe if you fell off the face of the earth, we would have a lot cleaner air to breath. You are so out of touch with politics that I do not see any hope for you ever. In other words you are a MORON.

  • valricoslash

    I saw a great bumper sticker. REPEAL The HILL, THEN THE BILL. This is exactly what needs to be done in Novemeber. As you stated, even repealing as few as 15 percent of the worst of the worst will send them all scrambling to the right to protect their “careers”. Our founders never meant serving in congress to be a “career”. One way to end this is to include an ammendment with term limits (since the irrational voting public can’t seem to do it at the polls) as well as eliminate the Congressional retirement system. We need them to come while their minds are fresh with new ideas, and leave before they get absorbed in the power that is Washington.

    As my Congresman recently stated when asked why he was leaving his seat to run for a state-wide office in Florida: “I have to get out of Washington before I lose my soul.” Well put Rep. Putnam (R) Florida who is leaving his seat after only 8-years of serving. When first elected, he was the youngest in the House of Reps. I expect he will be Governor one day because he was smart enough to get out of Washington.

    • William Nealey

      well put and so very true. kudos to Sen.Putnam. hopefully he will be your Gov. soon.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      valricoslash_it is my feeling, the young politicians that have never ran for office before, have no idea what they’re in for in Washington. They run on damn good intentions, but don’t find out what can and can’t be done, until their elected!__If they don’t watch their back and souls as you say, they will be swallowed up in the black hole like the rest in DC!__it take a special kind of politician to turn their hearts & heads away from sweet heart deals and the lies within it.

      • Marc

        Would seem to be a lot of truth in what you say.

    • Judy

      even after you kick them out of office they recieve a retirement. I say in order to cut ost stop their retirement. they have told us our social security that we have paid into for all of our working life will not be there so why should they have one?

  • http://pumabydesign001.wordpress.com pumabydesign001

    I’d like to suggest a mass mailing pursuant to a blog I posted earlier. See http://wp.me/pjGfE-391 . It’s a step in the Flip This House process. Send employment applications from Denny’s McDonald’s etc. to our representatives and senators en masse via mail or email on July 1st so that they receive it in time for Independence Day, July 6th.

    On my post, there is also a video that goes with that idea. Please feel free to take it up, use it, pass it on.

    • valricoslash

      What a fantastic idea. Just get an application, scan it as a PDF file and attach it to an email.

    • Patticake

      except that it’s July 4th in this country…

      • MikeC

        I was hoping that was a type-o! Heheheh

    • William Nealey

      I agree with you and I love your slogan throw the bastards out but you gotta remember they are not all bastards. some are women not to be confused with Ladies,

  • http://att grover bailey

    Rep Putnam is one smart pol.He should stay as smart and stay away from our commie govt

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Scott

    “…There were a lot of 80 and 90 hour weeks when I was younger and just starting in business. I had to do the work of two or three people every week to keep my company’s doors open…”

    Hard work, sacrifice, postponed reward; Guess what political party you’re referring to? Just substitute Conservative or Republican for the tax-the-RICH and you’ll get a clearer picture of this administration’s agenda.

    Additionally reinforced with your correct report of, “…the bottom 50 percent of filers—some 70.5 million of Americans with any kind of income—pay a minuscule 2.89 percent of federal tax dollars…”

  • http://walnut39@tds.net Edwin Mack

    Many times I’ve told the NRC and the Democratic committee the ONLY time they think we exist is election time.Amazingly they think we have money for them. I haven’t voted for an incumbent in many years; starting to feel like I’m the only one.C’mon folks it don’t hurt.
    If they bring up the 2nd ammendment, I tell them both sides tell the same story. Then I ask them if they know why the ammendment exists and they always tell me to protect ourselves from robbers and losing our homes. They have NO IDEA it was to protect ourselves from the chance of another tyrannical government take over such as England was back at the revolution era. Well folks! looks like we’re at that time again. This time it’s our own government, not England.

    • William Nealey

      you are so right Edwin,

    • JLC

      Hi Edwin — Good man! You have read your history. The whole purpose of the Second Amendment is wrapped up in one phrase —— “–the security of a FREE state–!

  • Ross

    Who voted for these people? Who didn’t vote at all? It’s over and going deeper into the pit of no return for the USA. Common sense died when the NWO and the Commies invaded the school educational system!

    • William Nealey

      a bunch of IDIOTS and the people who didn’t go to the polls and vote voted for them in absentia, plain and simple,

      • JeffH

        Unfortunately it was “we the people” that kept our heads pointed in another direction not paying much attention to the direction this country has been headed in to realize where we would end up. Well, the socialist movement is alive and well and snuck into the WH under the disguise of “hope and Change”. Let us “hope” that we aren’t too late to make the “change” this country has needed for many decades. Take back our government and the Constitution and throw the “commie basterds” out in November, no matter what party they came from.
        If the glove fit, don’t acquit!

        • momof4

          Hi Jeff,
          How right you are. We really have to keep an eye on all of them, Dems and Reps alike. We need to keep there feet to the fire. We can not trust any of them until they prove that they can be trusted. It’s sad but true.

    • William L. Turner

      I sure hope that all you stupid people that voted for this mess in the White House are happy now, how do you love all the changes that obalama promised. I am so glad that I didn’t vote for this muslim sob.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Thank Christ, My husband and I did NOT vote for a Socialist White house, like we have now!__And BTW__I’m sittin here listenin’ to sound bites of Obama on Rush Limbaugh__Just about as arrogant, as Chicago arrogance can get__We need to get these a$$’$ out!

        • Smilee

          DON’T FORGET HIS SOUND CLIPS ARE HEAVILY EDITED AND OFTEN DISTORTED

          • momof4

            Smilee,
            Look at the people he surrounds himself with!!! That says enough!!!

          • Smilee

            He hangs out with far more intelligent and caring people than most who hang out here who by their statements reveal their inability to understand such intelligence and are either filled with envy or hate in denial of their insecurities and paranoia

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Smilee, your libby news reporters, do the same damn thing, editing news clips of our guys,___ clean in front of your own door step first, then you can clean someones elses!

          • Smilee

            Angel try PBSnewshour and C-span, it gives a lot more than snipets

          • Old man Tom

            Smilee sounds like he can read minds,,or he is an o-bad-ma man , or maybe o-bad-ma himself.

          • Smilee

            Old man Tom

            OLD MAN HAVE YOU GONE SENILE??

          • zack

            Smilee you actually believe that you are INTELLIGENT don’t you. You are definitely not at all INTELLIGENT. About like obama he thinks he is to. I got news for you and him, WRONG.

        • JeffH

          angel-wanna-be, as you well know, you don’t even have to listen to Rush for those. Obama is so bold his clip can be found on You Tube that verify what Rush is playing.
          Oh…don’t trust Rush Limbaugh…everything he says is a lie…he hates America…your smart enough to filter the BS from it.

          • Smilee

            You tube can be equally edited and distorted and can no more be trusted than Rush when uploaedd by people who only know how to think like him. Jeff with his limited thinking abilities is naive enough to believe all he hears ans sees as he is incapable in analyzing it correctly

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, I’ve seen plenty of clips of Obama (like everyone else), The Libs say on one thing, the repubs say another, I guess it’s just a matter of who’s side your on and what you wanna believe__The truth is out there!!___but to me the arrogance and the division that Obama is causing in America is quite evident in ALL videos__He has ONE agenda and it’s HIS!__It makes no difference if it’s the will of the people or not!___These Libs that claim “IT WAS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE THAT PUT BARRACK ONAMA IN OFFICE”—-One year ago that was true!___But it is true NO MORE!, they’re blind if they can’t see it now!__If these Libs want to live in the past and blame Bush and continue the stance, that Obama is doing the will of the people, then they’ll wake up one day soon, in “Obama in Wonderland” Where the Rabbit will say “It’s too Late”!

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, so true…you listen, watch, filter the information and come up with an understanding of what you viewed and listened to.
            Some just believe what they are told or what they read without the ability to filter out the BS.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, AS YOU SAY, THEY FOLLOW LIKE SHEEPLE!

          • Smilee

            Jeffie

            What you ignore is when you see it you cannot know what has been already filtered out or edited and changed, if you are filtering filtered information it can be quite a different outcome than if you had the opportunity to see it unedited or filtered. The best way is to watch news outlets that have no agenda as many who post you tube and shows like Rush’s on both sides gives you more accurate information. I have seen them there and the ones you are talking about on you tube etc and it is interesting how distorted these edited and slanted versions are. Also seeing c-span and then clips showing just a snippet picked to fit an agenda you see how really skewed they are.

          • JeffH

            You just don’t have the ability to see the “BIG PICTURE”. Some of us do watch more than “YOU TUBE, BECK, HANNITY and FOX,MADCOW or OBEREGO or just listen to RUSH”, who I seldom hear unless he’s on my car radio which isn’t often.

          • JeffH

            Smilee, what I do ignore is the socialist propaganda that is being delivered daily througout the MSM and newspapers. Why is it that there is so much information available online about Obama and his Marxist radical self with all of the connections to the endless Soros organizations and FOX is the only network that reports it correctly?
            Call me crazy all you want, the evidence is there and I continually provide the links. You can trust government all you like, I no longer trust them or their intentions for America or myself or my fellow patriots. Obama is only the puppet.

          • Judy

            watching the republicans and democrates go at it is like watching the WWF. entertaining but they are on the the same team. to entertain and keep you distracted.

          • Joe H.

            Smellee,
            I heard him live say he was going to put the MEETINGS on CNN I suppose you are now going to say they have filtered him live too??? Liberal shill!!!

  • Norm

    Chip says:

    The top 1 percent of taxpayers in this country pay 40.42 percent of all income taxes.
    For the top 5 percent, the percentage is even higher. The 7.1 million taxpayers who fit this description pay 60.63 percent of all Federal income taxes.
    The bigger the net, the greater the discrepancy. The top 25 percent of taxpayers (35.3 million of us) can take pride in knowing that we contribute 86.59 percent of federal taxes. And the top 50 percent (70.5 million of us) pay 97.11 of the total taxes collected.

    What Chip doesn’t say:
    The top 1% of families own 34.3 of America’s net worth and the top 10% own 71%.
    Also taxes on the very wealthy are at there lowest levels in decades, while the income disparity between high level management and workers is at an all time high.
    I don’t begrudge hard work, I’ve done it all my life. Hard work, creativity, talent, and initiative must be and are extremely well rewarded.

    http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so11/stratification/income&wealth.htm

    • George E

      Norm,

      Isn’t the more important issue whether we have a disparity in “opportunity” to succeed, rather than whether there is a disparity in wealth? If we do everything we can to give everyone equal opportunities for success, rather than redistributing the wealth, wouldn’t that give us the best outcome? Wouldn’t that inspire people to work hard and achieve, rather than live off the hard work of others?

      • Norm

        George E
        Money is power. Money begets money. It is possible for anyone to become very wealthy in the US. It is a lot easier when you have a large stash of money to begin with. In fact, it is difficult for a sane individual, who is born wealthy, to fail. George W. Bush is a perfect example of what money can do for a very average individual.

        • George E

          Norm,

          I agree with some of your concepts (setting the comment about GWB aside). However, why does that justify redistribution of wealth? We don’t incent hard work and initiative by giving people who don’t work very hard, money from those who do. In fact, when we do redistribute wealth we incent just the opposite behavior, and that’s not a good thing for the country. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • Norm

            George E
            Look at the BILLION $ bonuses given to the idiots who almost destroyed this country. Their response “Did we do something wrong?”
            Then they say they are needed to straighten the same mess they created. There must be some logic that I fail to grasp. Prision and confiscation of all their wealth is my vote.

          • George E

            Norm,

            If you’d said that about the politicians who actually created this mess, I’d agree with you.

          • eyeswideopen

            George, what Chip Woods, fails to mention are these facts:

            Tax rate on $410,096 is 22.45% they pay 92066 leaving them 318,030.00
            Tax rate on $160,041 is 20.53% they pay 32.856 leaving them 127,185
            Tax rate on $32,879 is 14.03% they pay 4,613 leaving them 28,267

            I am sure you can see that the people making $410,096 are making 12.50 times more and only paying 8.42% more taxes than the person making 32,879.
            Those making 160,041 are making 2.56 times less than those 410,096 and those making 410,096 are paying only 1.92% more than them.
            What is sad is that the people making 32,879 are in the top 50% of the revenue generators. They are not paying proportionatally
            here is the site with all the stats. http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

            Chip is playing the rich are contributing more than anyone else card. Look at the site and see what those making over a million pay.

            The severly poor grew by 26% from 2000-2005. There are 37 million working poor. 16 million of those are in severe povertry. Family of four with income less than $9903. 2 out of 3 people (10.3million) in severe poverty are White. (4.3 million) are Black. (3.7 million) are Hispanic. Middle class income is consider to be $32,653 to 48,979. Note these are 2005 statics, while the above link is more current.

          • Smilee

            Eyes

            Appreciate your efforts here and the site you included but I have one question. As I understand it these charts compare only AGI, adjusted gross income but do not make any comparisons based on taxable income. People with a large income pay taxes on a lessor portion of their AGI than those with smaller incomes and most low incomes only have the standard deduction plus dependent deductions and no more, my question being if this chart only uses AGI comparisons, and I am not sure it does, would this be a good comparison? I am not questioning their accuracy but they wouldn’t they have to include more data than these charts include to give a complete and accurate comparison aside from just AGI and tax rates.

          • Joe H.

            George E,
            norm and googleeyes would have turned down every cent of those bonuses if offered to them!!! They would have said “No I don’t deserve it as I haven’t earned it si I refuse to take it”!! If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you right along side of some real dry land in the swamp to sell. But even if they WOULD take it, they would still be righteous and the others would still be skunks!!!

        • JeffH

          Normy…and it has been said that George Soros built his wealth and socialist empire from a measly $5000 bucks. Now take a look what $5 Grand can get you if you parlay it correctly, a president, the Democrat Socialist Party, ACORN, SEIU, Tides Foundation,Open Society Institute,Center for Progressive Leadership….the list is endless. It is not impossible to see what this Nazi collaborator can do to bring Americas into the 3rd world of socialism with his billions. His lifelong dream, but he has needed a lot of influential and wealthy collaborators to do it!
          http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/ShadowParty.asp

          • Marc

            Is that similar to the Republican “Shadow Party” ?

            Not something only done by Democrats.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-01/08/059r-010800-idx.html

          • JeffH

            No Marc, there is no Republican “Shadow Party” that can rival Soros network of anti-American socialist 527 orgs. They aren’t that smart yet.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, if you are so pro-rich, why can’t Soros be rich and contribute to who he like? The rich republicans do the same thing. What exactly makes him any worse than the republicans who contribut to Cato, Inst. Heritage Foundation, etc..??? Your logic is not rational.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, go to http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search_donor.php

            Pick Obama, type in Soros, George and you will see he gave him four thousand four hundred dollars. $4.400.00. Not the millions you think.

          • JeffH

            George Soros is one of Barack Obama’s primary financial backers and agenda puppeter.

            Much of Barack Obama’s socialist agenda and ideas for the United States comes directly from Soros and in turn through his network of leftist funded organizations. This includes the funding of organizations that advocate abortion, open borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, a cap and trade tax, to prevent man-made global warming, huge cuts in defense spending, increasing the minimum wage and the world poverty tax just to name a few.

            One of the most frequently cited concerns about Sen. Barack Obama’s qualifications to serve as the 44th President of the United States is his widely reported ties to George Soros, the British Foreign Office’s self-professed wartime Nazi collaborator, and hedge fund speculator. Indeed, a recent Google search for items citing both Obama and Soros, turned up over 1 million news reports and blog commentaries on the ties between the two men.

            Through billions of dollars in donations to a select group of Democratic Party-linked organizations, such as MoveOn and ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), and through his longstanding links to Service Employees International Union (SEIU) corporatist president, Andy Stern, Soros has established his financial and political control over the very grassroots apparatus that is supposed to give Obama the margin of victory on Nov. 4

          • JeffH

            Mouth, once you are a fool, twice you are an idiot. You are spinning once again…read my comment and try, just once, to not put your own spin on it.

          • JeffH
          • Smilee

            JeffH says:
            April 3, 2010 at 12:21 am

            Mouth, once you are a fool, twice you are an idiot. You are spinning once again…read my comment and try, just once, to not put your own spin on it.

            LOOK IN THE MIRROR JEFF AND WHAT YOU DESCRIBE IN THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL SEE

          • JeffH

            We’re all hypocrits in one way or another, some of you just refuse to acknowledge that you also fit that mold.

          • Joe H.

            smelly,
            why should he look in the mirror?? Are you standing behind him???

      • http://rebecca@gbryant.com R. Bryant

        George, & all of you patriotic,conservative Americans,

        We need to get back to our CONSTITUTION!! Please check out http://www.articlesoffreedom.us/ThePlan.aspx . This may be our best opportunity to take back our country. There are BIG PLANS for APRIL 19, 2010!!!! If you are in agreement, please get the word out to everyone that you can ASAP, because Obama is moving very fast to take our freedoms away from us. Mr. Bob Schulz is the person mainly responsible for backing the CONTINENTAL CONGRESS 2009, and at his time in a court case charging that the stimulus money , especially to AIG is unconstitutional!!! Please check it out, and let me know what you think!!!

        Thanks,
        Rebecca

        • Smilee

          WHY CANNOT YOU BE HONEST AND TELL EVERYONE WHAT YOU REALLY ARE TRYING TO DO IS DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION, YOU ARE ARE SMALL GROUP OF RADICALS WITH A VERY SICK AGENDA. THANK GOD FOR OUR CONSTITUTION AS YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SUCCEED BECAUSE OF IT. FIRST YOUR MEMBERS LAWSUITS WHICH ARE ALL FRIVOLOUS AND BECAUSE OF THAT THEY WILL FAIL. IT SO UNFORTUNATE THAT YOUR INTERPENETRATION OF THE CONSTITUTION IS SO FLAWED AND INCORRECT AS THIS LEADS YOU ASTRAY. YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO CORRECT THE MISUSES OF THE CONSTITUTION YOU ARE TRYING TO REWRITE GIVING FREEDOM TO YOUR KIND WHILE DENYING FREEDOMS TO THOSE YOU HATE, IT IS KNOWING MORE THAN A DREAM TO GRAB POWER. YOU WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF DOING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE THAT WOULD BE OF HELP TO YOURSELVES AND YOUR FELLOW MAN RATHER THAN THIS IDIOTIC ATTEMPT TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY WHAT IS WHAT YOU ARE REALLY ABOUT.

          • zack

            Smilee obama and his Chicago Mafia is the one’s ruining this country.

          • Smilee

            I thank God every day it is not being run by you idiots

    • Allan

      There we have it…pretty much the essence of Socialism/Communism…learn to resent those that have more than you of something you want, then regulate them. It is an endless road of not developing yourself and being accountable for yourself.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Allan_ you are soooo right!

      • ’53 Korean Vet

        Yes, I heard before the Election–that the American Communist Party had come out with a “Full Endorsement of Senator Barrack H. Obama”-!
        They knew–that he’d never win, if he had been under a “Socialist”
        listing–so he had managed to sway George Soros away from Hillary Clinton in the Democrat Party-! One of the 1963 Goals of the American Communist Party was to gain “Control of one, or both Political Parties in the United States-!” (Looks like they got control of One!) Type in on your computor– Communist Goals 1963 and Now –These were
        all disclosed in the 1963 Congressional Investigation, and became part of the Permanent Files of the Congressional Records-! Obama, this week, is pushing for dis-carding Atomic Weapons, which makes sure that the “Mother Country of Russia” will NEVER be Attacked by Atomic Warfare-! (This was the major reason Pres. Kennedy was killed, he dared to threaten Russia with Atomic War, during the Cuban Missile Crisis-!)

    • Smilee

      Chip also talks about tax dollars collected in percentage of dollars collected and not percentage of Proportionality of dollars collected which is the only way to make an accurate and honest comparison, you know compare apples with apples and not oranges with apples the way he did it. When you compare it the right way you find the top group pays a lot less by comparison. Warren Buffet amongst many others have said this time and time again, remember when he said his secretary paid a much higher portion of her income than he does.

      • eyeswideopen

        Smilee, I posted the link where he got his info. He fails to point out the tax rates for those percentages. Some of us understand taxes and know when someone is trying to sway people into believing that the poor rich in this country are hurting. When Warren Buffett states that he pays proportionally less than his secretary, you know we are in trouble.

  • Antonio

    It’s amazing to me to analyze that many of us (American people )to think that a nation can survive without rich people ! Take a look at socialism nations,always wait for our economy go up first to lift them !
    When and if we go down economically,everyone nation on the face of the earth will go to the dogs too !Now,many Americans are waiting for November to clean D.C.. Don’t count on it,to me fair elections is a thing of the pass with Obama and his boys !Lot’s of people still refuse to accept that we’re on the way to hell with these people at the helm.We haven’t seen anything yet,let a couple more years go by and we’ll be able to see that everyone ( also the poor of the poorest) will be paying very high taxes on everything we buy !!Don’t trust Obama and his boys,they only tell lies every time they open their mouth…makes me sick.This great nation is on the way to belly up…..we’ll lose everything we got,even our reform plans.

    • William Nealey

      you are so right,

  • 3rd worlder

    I wonder when the tea partiers (or states) will have the guts to stop paying income and social security taxes. Check this out. The combined tax burden for those two categories averages 40% of their incomes. Now, get this. This is how much comes from people that make less than $100,000 per year. Forget about the rich. Low income people are giving 40% of their incomes to those jerks in Washington!!!!
    You say vote them out. I say cut off their bank account.

    • George E

      Yes indeed. There is too much of our money (and credit) in Washington, and this corrupts everyone involved in our government and organizations who vie for a piece of it through special deals. If we put Washington on a tight financial leash, we’ll get much better government.

    • Marc

      Can you give a reference for this 40 % figure ?

      • JeffH

        I think you have a good point Marc

  • s c

    I live close to Nebraska, so it has been comforting to see and hear big ben go through the motions of having a spine. He doesn’t, of course, but at least he can no longer stand back and smile and ‘remind’ the good people of Nebraska that he’s ‘taking care of them.’
    Ben got caught with his political pants down, and he couldn’t get them back up fast enough. It will be most rewarding to watch as pelosi, reid, biden, dodd and all the rest of the leading brown-
    nosers try to ‘explain’ how they were “just following orders” ["we did what the fuhrer wanted
    because we love Amerika so much"].

    • William Nealey

      I truely think you meant to say brown shirters. only with obummer its red shirts,

    • William L. Turner

      Hiel obalama

  • Clement Williams

    When money is spent by the government, It is circulated through the economy. I believe everybody should be able to go to a doctor.

    A child left fatherless because of no health insurance is unforgivable in a nation that claims to be the greatest in the world. Tell an orphaned child that his parents were not worth the money that would have given them regular checkups. Checkups that would catch disease early and prevent premature death from cancer or heart failure.

    • Mark

      health insurance won’t make you able to see a doctor. Already more and more doctors are deciding not to take ANY insurance, you just pay them, they give you a receipt and tell you to file your own insurance claims. That’s what my doctors are doing already and a lot of my friends say their doctors are doing the same thing.

      • Allan

        I think Dems have plans to legally force healthcare providers to participate in the system, perhaps through mandatory licensure criteria, or a national health service requirement in exchange for financial support (since they’re taking over student loans). And there are socioeconomic quotas in the healthcare bill to provide willing comrades to fill what will become government jobs.

      • Joe H.

        Mark,
        Why don’t they just leave us who have good insurance alone and expand medicaid to cover the truly needy!! no 25 year olds that are laying on their azzes not wanting to do anything but smoke ganja, drink beer and eat junk food all day long!!

    • George E

      When the government spends our money, it is circulated through the economy and does generate some wealth. However, this is a very inefficient way of spending our money, and the “net” wealth creation from this kind of expenditure is very low, probably negative when one considers how the money might have been invested if left to the private sector.

      It would be nice for everyone to have the best healthcare possible. Unfortunately, the current plan will not deliver to that vision because it does almost nothing to cut healthcare delivery costs, but does add tremendous costs (adding 30 million new people, for example). This means there will be fewer high quality healthcare providers taking care of more people, so the quality of healthcare will inevitably suffer for everyone when this thing kicks into full gear.

      Government can’t give you anything it doesn’t take away from someone else. More often than not, they tell us that they will only tax the rich, but before it is over, everyone gets taxed directly and indirectly to pay for these government programs. Government has no incentive to be efficient with our money so long as we continue giving them all the money they want. So, I think it folly to believe we’re going to get a lower cost, higher quality program from government compared to what we could get from the private sector.

      • Vicki

        The other problem with letting a few people in government “circulate” the money is that they use it as “power” to bribe people. It is much harder to bribe 300 million consumers.

    • William Nealey

      maybe you haven’t noticed. but where I live everyone can go to a Doctor and they do. even the illegals and we are saturated with them here in N.C. if you doubt me just go to a locao hospieal and look at them lined up at the emergency room,

    • JeffH

      Clement Williams, as I wipe the tears away I won’t let my emotions to help a few transfer into buying this Health Care Bankruptcy scheme.
      Yes, we need more affordable health care and there needs to be reform, but this bill isn’t going to “save the children” any more than it will “cut the deficit. Take a look at the bigger picture and remove the blinders. I’m sure your thoughts were well intended.

  • Eric S

    Such are the commissions of a w#ore: money for hire.
    It is time to vote out any candidate who does not hold to the principles of the constitution and would rather have pay out then representing their constituents faithfully. We have seen enough Demopublicans. Such is the case of “Big Ben”. Seems when a party gets too big for their britches they forget who sent them to do the job in the first place. There are too many mirrors and too much smoke out there. On the good note more people are becoming aware of the situation. Obama seems to draw out the worst in these elected officials exposing their true character. People need to unify to brake this endless cycle on the assault of our freedoms. Don’t forget to exact the same scrutiny while electing local and state officials for they eventually may be the next “Big Ben”. Thus said here are 3 good qualifications for any elected official you may vote for: 1.) Places the constitution as the means to govern in this Republic as the foundation in all decisions. 2.) Must have good character. 3.) Must be of the heart to represent their constituents and character will come into play, (#2), when confronted by special interests. The fourth would be heading in the right direction for what needs to be done for our states and nation.
    It is important that we take this responsibility seriously as voters and look hard into these issues. Again, appreciate hearing the voice of reality outside of the smoke and mirrors and your articles Chip.

    • William Nealey

      now there’s a man I whole heartedly agree with,

      • Dave

        The reason those “Demopublicans” get elected is because there aren’t enough far right conservatives out there to vote them into office. The world is changing and you are becoming a minority. I know that scares you but you might as well accept it. A Liberal is a true American just asm uch as you are. We accept that you exist, we’re just happy your numbers a dwindling. In the end, I guess you could say that you guys had your run and it didn’t really work out for you. Now it’s our turn. You might as well accept it.

        • George E

          Dave,

          Keep dreaming. This is a center-right country and the independents/moderates are siding with conservatives right now. If Obama and the Democrats don’t move to the center (in deeds not just talk), you can bet there will be a big clean up in Washington in the coming elections. Folks are real concerned about the Federal government’s debt and deficit, and much less concerned about healthcare reform (if it adds costs as this one surely will), environmental cleanup (when it adds costs like the proposed cap & trade bill), immigration reform (when it gives automatic citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants who will add costs and burdens to the existing entitlement programs, etc. The Democrats are totally out of aligment with the majority of American citizens right now, and they’ll pay a heavy price at the polls for it.

          • Dave

            As I said, the democratic politicians aren’t ideal. I think the whole political process has problems. Part of our problem is that there’s a 2 party system where if you don’t like what the Democrats are doing you have to go Republican. If we put Republicans in they’re just going to piss us off too. Healthcare costs are spiraling out of control and both parties know that. Something had to be done and it had to be done with a Democratic congress and president or it would never get done because the Republicans just try to cut taxes and give handouts to corporations. Corporations are the ones running this country the difference is that Republicans don’t care and Democrats do. I don’t mean Democratic politicians necessarily but I do mean Democrats. We’ll have years now to hone this bill into exactly what it needs to be. The Republican politicians just wanted to defeat Barack Obama and take back more seats they don’t care about healthcare costs or anyone who is dying because they have no health coverage. The center right country is moving slowly to the left. Unfortunately Republicans are allowing the face of their party to be the radical right. More people are afraid of them then are willing to say.

          • George E

            Dave,

            You’re right, there are just two viable choices when you vote; Democrat or Republican. All others are just tie-breakers and spoilers. So, if you’re not happy with either of these parties, then you need to work harder to get the platforms and candidates you prefer nominated in their primaries and conventions.

            Regarding tax cuts for corporations, Republicans and conservatives understand that if you lower tax rates you incentivize investment and spending which, ironically, leads to higher tax revenue. Many Democratic Party leaders understand this principle as well, but can’t publicly adopt it because it flies in the face of their rich-versus-poor arguments which many of their supporters want to hear.

            Regarding corporations running the country, that’s a pretty tough thing to prove. However, with the government taking over one industry after another right now, I’m much more concerned about big government overstepping its bounds than I am about big corporations taking over.

            Regarding Republicans not addressing healthcare when they had a majority in Congress, they did not try to get a “universal government controlled” healthcare bill through as the liberals wanted. They have offered to provide help to the truly needy in paying their healthcare costs and stronger medical savings accounts for those people who work, but Democrats fought against both measures. I’m pretty sure you’ll find out after a few years that the current healthcare law will 1) turn out to be much more expensive than you presently think, and 2) it won’t be as good or as available as you think. Everything the government touches turns out to be incredible expensive, and more often than not, poorer quality and innovation than generally available in the private sector. All of our entitlement programs are so expensive that they will overwhelm our federal budget within the next 10 years. Politicians can promise you anything they want, but they can’t deliver any longer. We’re broke, and there aren’t enough rich people left to bail us out. The only answer is reduce federal spending, and that pretty much means reduce the cost of entitlements. Since government doesn’t innovate new efficient solutions like the private sector, they only know how to cut services and quality when costs rise and they can’t raise enough revenue to offset higher costs.

          • Allan

            I keep hearing that conservatives weren’t concerned with healthcare reform. Many more conservatives are employers than liberals. We contended with pre-existing condition issues, inflexibility of group policies, and spiraling costs of providing healthcare to our employees. We were motivated to support reform. It would have been better for Dems to redistribute the wealth of politicians and lawyers than piss off the whole country and igonore free market solutions. But then, for “progressives”, solutions are not based on incentive, but on social engineering with others’ money. Healthcare is just the start. Many progressives believe that everyone should be eating only what they can grow in their garden, and going only where their bicycles can take them. Should make for a robust economy and employment scenario in the next couple of years.

          • MikeC

            Dave,
            What’s happening, is there is a rather large minority without affiliation, that votes for a candidate that will best help American. However, what they’ve been promised and what we’ve been given, contradict each other. You might say Double-Speak! Saying that it’s your “turn”, is like a kid who was bullied all his youth, grows taller and stronger than the bully, then becomes the bully! That is what you’re suggesting! Are you a cop, by any chance! Shame on you! This is why I will never ever vote Democrat again! It is the party of the meek and powerless, and you confirmed it! I’m not a RINO, but at least they know better, that forcing citizens to buy anything is illegal.
            True, everyone needs access to CARE. Not access to Health Insurance. Being treated by a doctor or specialist has never been the problem. You can always walk into an office and get treated. It’s always been about getting affordable insurance, and the coverage, thereof. WE DON’T NEED INSURANCE to be treated. A little over 40 years ago, there wasn’t insurance. You didn’t need it! You saw your physician and paid cash! Insurance companies have forced the increase in costs, not innovation, as they proclaim! I have a few Dr. friends, and they have to negotiate a higher rate, just to get what they should after negotiating! Insurance companies claim a 3% profit, yet it’s in the $billions$. Those billions could be put back into the system for new technologies. Get the same care in another country and you pay far less! Talk to a Canadian or Brit, and they’ll tell you Socialized medicine doesn’t work! That’s why they were coming here…until now! Plus, it’s unconstitutional! So, as I’ve read, don’t be confused that the Government is taking over Healthcare! Healthcare has taken over the Government!
            There are not just 2 parties! There have been a few recent elections where Libertarian candidates have either won or made strides in their respective races! That is great news! We have to keep moving away from these 2 parties, until they respect the constitution they swore to uphold…Then, you have that A@#hole Hare from Ill who said he doesn’t worry about the constitution! Glad he was honest! Now, we know to boot this dude out, too!
            The LIBs know that if you give the people bread and circus, they stay in power. For you to need bread, they have to steal all the flour…better yet, our Dough!!

          • Marc

            Maybe in an upcoming election we will be able to put in more Independents……then in a very short time we can have them to complain about too….

        • JeffH

          A liberal is nothing more than a pawn for the Marxist/socialists.

        • Allan

          That’s not what the numbers are Dave. It’s just that a chunk of the middle was fooled by a charismatic politician. The evidence is they are awakening.

  • Tom

    AAAHHH! The aroma from a Romeo & Julietta cigar and the sweet taste of a fine bottle of Chardonnay..Package city, local, state, property, medicare, fica and social security taxes together, divide it by one’s gross monthly income (50% tax group)and what do we have? Border line maintenance for living expenses. The evils’ of having wealth.. But wait, we can fix this evilness! Pass Health (Care)Insurance laws, Cap and Trade, Immigration Reform, increase the tax on Unearned Income, Inheritance Tax.. have we missed anything? Oh Yes; VAT tax-that should level the playing field! If that is not enough, we can pull the “Ace” card out! Pull more oil and gas leases from the evil oil companies, confiscate more federal land in the western United States and designate them as National Monuments, (which will eliminate future drilling). Finally, increase our dependence on foreign oil and drive the cost of fuel up–more people walking, less vehicles on the road, we saved the planet! AAAHHH! The aroma from a King Edwards cigar and the sweet taste of a fine bottle of white grape juice. An evening in the mind of a PROGRESSIVE!!

  • Doug Osborne

    To Norm,

    Like so many comments, you just don’t get it! The Republicans would have loved to participated in the debate on healthcare. But for once
    they did exactly what we the people who elected them wanted. There are numerous things in the Bill that we the people do not like! But the biggest complaint we had was this was not really about Health Care! This was simply a Power Grab by the Liberal Democrats! More intrusion in to our private lives and more control over us. We have seen how efficient the Government is at running programs! How many are in trouble now and will soon be bankrupt? Why would anyone think the Government will be capable of efficiently running such a complicated program?

    By the way, the Republicans did try to participate in the debate by offering numerous commonsense amendments that were struck down by the power hungry Democrats!

    • William Nealey

      yep. Doug you said it much better than this old country boy could.

  • darly

    The first time I heard obama talk I knew this country was in trouble.

    • William Nealey

      me too. I told my friends he was just another slick willie with a deep tan,

      • Dave

        So you saw what he looked like and that he spoke well and you determined, without listening to what he had to say that the country was in trouble. Way to make an informed decision. Unfortunately I think too many are like you.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Dave___ we didn’t have to wait and listen for Obama to speak, alot but not enough of us, took it upon ourselves to read the fine print about him before he took office!___WE WERE NOT AMUSED!!!!

        • Joe H.

          Dave,
          Had you paid attention to his voting record and what he had supported you would have thought we were in trouble as well unless you were mindless!! like his supporting partial birth abortion, or voting “present” instead of taking a stand on most other things that mattered! I have often wondered how “present” he was other than in the physical sense!!!

        • tedcrawford

          Dave: The first thing I did was to read his books. While he gave abundent lip service to real American values he couldn’t resist slipping in small, almost disconnected, insights to HIS real values. I.E. “upon arriveing at college I sought out the radicals, the foreign students and the MARXIST professors or ” should a conflict occure I will side with the muslims”.
          This caused me to investigate his political career. That collection of back-stabbing,underhanded,legal menure er I mean maneuvers is far too lengthy to go in to. The first campaign he was in he succeeded in haveing EVERY other candidate removed from the ballot! The next one was straight -up, and they decisively handed him his hat! He then hooked up with the Chicago Machine and the rest is history!

          • JeffH

            tedcrawford, He became the perfect choice for Soros and his hierarchy of wealthy socialists to fund/buy the presidency. He wore the suit and had the image and was very well spoken, plus the study of the Alinsky radical beliefs and socialist organizing.. America was ready for change, but becareful what you wish for. Shock and awe change is what we ended up with.

        • Vicki

          I listened to what Obama claimed in his campaign for nearly 6 mo before I ever saw him. I KNEW from what he said that he was a very charismatic speaker and socialist thru and thru.

          He is in fact the very reason the founding fathers wanted only natural born citizens to hold the office of President. That leadership position needed to be held by someone who was born AND RAISED in the US with US culture. A culture of freedom and liberty and self reliance. A culture whos economic engine was a free market system.

          Obama may or may not have been born in Hawaii but he spent all of his formative years in cultures that do not mesh well with a culture of a free people.

          The thing the Founding fathers missed was that in the future it would be easy to travel and thus grow up in another quite different culture.

    • Marc

      The first time I heard him talk (in person), I thought there was hope…I still do. But I do hear some scary things out there….

      • Smilee

        I’LL BET THEY ALL COME FROM FAR RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE RADICALS OR RACISTS

        • JeffH

          It’s so nice to know that you’ve got it all figured out that we’re far right radicals and racists. You and scott belong in the same looney bin.

        • Vicki

          Smilee

          Just listen to what obama promised during his campaign. “Hope and Change” Then the only things actually mentioned were his desire for a “civilian” security force at least as well funded as the military and for his desire to tax “joe the plumber” and that the prices of energy would necessarily go way up in his vision of change. (I think he said skyrocket)

          So are you telling us that Obama is secretly a FAR RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE RADICAL? Not very likely :)

  • Clement Williams

    Squabbling politicians in the greatest country in the world. Power Grabs – both sides are guilty of this.

    It is only the high end doctors who don’t deal with the insurance companies. The one’s who cater mostly to the wealthy.
    Anyone should be allowed to easily see a doctor. It’s that simple.

    Money is never “spent’ just circulated. To think otherwise is to have a limited view of economics. How efficient one method is from another is a just matter of opinion.

    • George E

      Clement,

      A measure of the efficiency of spending money is how much wealth is created. Government spending is inefficient in that regard compared to private sector spending. All spending is not equal. Don’t let the politicians try to fool you into thinking they can spend your money better than you can. It’s just not true.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Marxism 101: Bankrupt an Economy and take over the government! Scary part is that Karl Marx was a best friend of another “Jew” named Adam Weishaupht, who started the “New World Order” society to give back Lucifer(The biblical first messiah) his throne! He also began the Illuminati with Karl Marx! While it’s often taught that Marxism is non-religious, that is a lie according to it’s founder, Karl Marx! I wonder if our Progressive School system had anything to do with this incorrect belief? In fact, In 1520, the Roman Catholic Pope asked Petrus Galatinus, a Spanish Priest at the Vatican, to rename the Jewish Messiah to honor the highest Greek Deity, Zeus! Petrus came up with “Jesus,” and this is “true” history! Oh, yes, this is a direct violation of the 3rd Commandment! If you are interested in absolute scientifically proven 100 % biblical truth, email: info@yahweh.org; or mail: P.O. Box 208, Pocahontas, AR 72455.
    PS: Don’t say what good could come out of Arkansas, as the Scribes said about the Savior coming out of Nazareth, or you will be as wrong as they!

    • EltonJ

      Karl Marx wasn’t involved with the founding of Adam Weishaupt’s Illuminati. Adam Weishaupt is a contemporary of George Washington. Karl Marx is a contemporary of Abraham Lincoln. Strangely enough, there is a conspiracy theory going around that Adam Wieshaupt replaced George Washington during his second term as President.

      (I don’t think it’s true, since I can’t find any historical records).

      The point is, Karl Marx was born in 1818 and died in 1883. Adam Weishaupt was born in 1743 and died in 1830. The Bavarian Illuminati was founded on May 1, 1776. I don’t think Karl Marx was alive then.

    • Dave

      Really?

    • JeffH

      Let not the modern era, 20th century, of Marxism was carefully taught by Saul Alinsky. When one tales a look at Alinsky and his teachings, one sees what a fool the liberals have become, just a pawn to peddle socialism.
      Saul Alinsky wrote the book on American radicalism – two books, in fact: a 1945 best-seller, “Reveille for Radicals” and “Rules for Radicals” in 1971. The “Reveille” title page quotes Thomas Paine… “Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.”
      “Radicals precipitate the social crisis by action – by using power. Liberals may then timidly follow along or else, as in most cases, be swept forward along the course set by Radicals, but all because of forces unloosed by Radical action. They are forced to positive action only in spite of their desires…
      “The real action is in the enemy’s reaction. The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength. Tactics, like life, require that you move with the action.”

      Alinsky was hated and defamed by powerful enemies, proof that his tactics worked. His simple formula for success…

      “Agitate + Aggravate + Educate + Organize”

      • JeffH
      • JeffH

        take a closer look at Obama and the democrats actions and jug=dge for yourself, Is Obama a RADICAL? If the shoe fits, wear it!

        • JeffH

          judge…oops!

      • Marc

        Alinsky was hated and defamed by powerful enemies, proof that his tactics worked. His simple formula for success…

        “Agitate + Aggravate + Educate + Organize”

        Why is it I seem to see a lot of that on here as a Conservative tactic ?

        • JeffH

          Fight fire with fire…simple!

        • Vicki

          liberals use indoctrinate and intimidate, Conservatives here use educate. No clearer proof needed than Climate-gate

          • Smilee

            do you really believe the uneducated can educate anyone, unbelievable

          • Vicki

            That you believe you can not learn from the uneducated is why you fail.

        • ’53 Korean Vet

          Because Saul Alinsky was a “Copy-Cat”–the book he wrote, came from a
          Soviet hand-book called “Soviet-Style Brain-Washing”– You can read from it, just type in– http://www.whale.to/b/soviet.htm —Be sure to read “Editorial Note”, and the “Address by Lavrent Beria”, and then, to see where it’s applied in today’s America–read Chapter XIV–”The Smashing of Religious Groups”–(Isn’t this what happening with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), whose founder was an American Communist Party member-?!) They’ve already have had much success in the “Ivy-League” American Colleges-! As the Soviets have said, “we defined them as ‘Trained Apes’-! (Their Brain-Washing worked quite well on American Students, whose minds were weaken by propaganda-!)

      • Vicki

        “Agitate + Aggravate + Educate + Organize”

        The correct formula (the one actually used) is

        “Agitate + Intimidate + Indoctrinate + Organize”

    • Joe H.

      Just saw a poll that said that 48% are for the health care bill and 51% are against!! It’s getting better!!!

      • Palin12

        It was reported today that 62% of Nevadans are in favor of Repeal the Bill.

        • zack

          Palin12 Sounds like some smart Nevadans. Reid is history.

      • Smilee

        Doesn’t matter one wit, is not going to change a thing, so eat your heart out

    • Marc

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Colonna_Galatino
      (Petrus Galatinus)
      was he Spanish or Italian ? If there is one error, it brings your other assertions into question.

  • Dave

    You all think that because you agree with other people on a website aimed only at a subsection of America that most Americans agree with you. I have worked since I was 15 and I have never taken a handout but I am behind the Healthcare plan and president Obama. You think this is a handout to people who don’t work but what about your fellow countrymen that have lost their jobs as a result of trickle down economics pushed by conservatives and because of unfunded tax cuts given by your boy GWB. What do you think happens when people without insurance go to the emergency room? It costs all of us money. Having them covered may cost some up front but in the end it saves us money. I’m not saying this plan is perfect but since Republicans, and right wingers, would not allow the proper civil discourse on this to make the bill better. They just wanted it defeated because it was considered socialist. Don’t you see that you’re being influenced by people with an agenda. The political system in this country is broken but many of you are being taken advantage of by people who are getting you riled up and telling you what you want to hear. Would any of you have given Obama a chance no matter what his agenda was? Did you want him to fail and you’re just jumping on board to make it happen? Wake up people, America is changing and it’s changing for the better. There may be stumbles on along the way but change in and of itself is not bad. Stop fearing what you don’t understand. Instead of asking Republican senators to make our president fail ask them to work with anybody and everybody to do what’s right for this country. The good ole days weren’t always good. You’re just looking at them with rose colored glasses.

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      You’re absolutely right, Marxism is the answer! Let’s find out because it shouldn’t take long! Anyway, war probably is next! It’s worked before hasn’t it?

      • Dave

        Are you implying civil war? Doesn’t seem like that war is always the right wing answer to everything. No one is talking about Marxism except the right. There is no public option. There is no government takeover. It’s all the same insurance companies as before and people with insurance will have no change to their benefits. Does the south really want another civil war? Remember how the last one worked out?

        • EltonJ

          If a war does break out, it will be purely ideological.

        • MikeC

          Dave, that’s not reform! It’s a take-over, and written, by the insurance company regime! It’s no wonder you like things for free when bending over! Don’t forget your sticker! Next…

          • zack

            MikeC it’s not next, it is poke here.

        • ’53 Korean Vet

          Dave– President Obama said this week–that other nations who attack the United States don’t have to worry about America responding with Atomic Bombs-! (“Come on, you enemies–go ahead & hit us–see if I Care!”) Do You think that He’ll defend America–if that happens-!? Or will he give them a “Good-Will” Speach–about “Let’s be Friends-”?
          “We Surrender-!!”

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      DAVE, (Don’t you see that you’re being influenced by people with an agenda. <COPYAND PASTED)__"yes we do think we're being not influenced, but FORCED INTO AND AGENDA, that's why we're P*ssed!!

    • Joe H.

      Dave,
      the ones that are truly out of work due to the economy(notice I left out your insult?) could have been covered by an expansion of medicaid, and not have screwed the rest of us. BTW, I hope you don’t mind some desk jokey knowing all of your health information. you know, the stuff that the courts have maintained to be private and not accessible by anyone without your express permission?? No longer, as the government will have to have a complete report on any and all care you receive!! They will then make the decision on whether you GET the care your doctor wants you to have!!! Think not??? Just you wait then tell me!!!

      • Marc

        “the stuff that the courts have maintained to be private and not “accessible by anyone without your express permission?? No longer, as the government will have to have a complete report on any and all care you receive!! They will then make the decision on whether you GET the care your doctor wants you to have !!!”

        You mean the ‘stuff’ your (for-profit) insurance company already has ? The ones that now decide if they will pay for the care your doctor wants you to have ?

        • Joe H.

          The stuff the insurance companies can’t release without your written permission! The stuff your Dr. can’t release to them without a signed slip giving them permission!! I actually stopped them from releasing any information on my diabetes untill I had talked to a few people that had been diagnosed with it to find out if they were going to give me problems with treatment later on for associated problems!!!

      • tedcrawford

        One could add to this that now IRS will have unfettered access to your bank accounts, with the abilities to withdraw at their descreation.

    • Smilee

      DAVE,

      YOUR CONFUSING THEM WITH FACTS AND THEY KNOW NOT HOW TO DEAL WITH FACTS, THEY ARE NOT PROGRAMMED FOR THAT. THEIR LEADERS WILL NOT ALLOW THAT.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Smilee, You better get the facts, the Government WILL HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR BANKS ACCOUNTS!!!__Go ahead and KEEP believing in Government to solve all the worlds ills and they’ll take the rest of what is your too!__This ain’t about Healthcare friend or taking care of the poor, who are supposingly dying in the streets without healthcare__This is about control over the people__WAKE THE HELL UP AND FRICKIN’ READ!

        • Smilee

          ALL BULL

          • momof4

            Smilee,
            It’s not bull, come on now Mr. wise guy, wise up!!! Take off those rose colored glasses and see the truth and the truth will set you free.

          • Smilee

            MORE BULL PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER

          • zack

            YEA SMILEE and you are right on the bottom of all that BULL You are the biggest pile so for. HeHeHeHe

    • Marc

      I make around $25,000 a year in retirement….I don’t mind that some of my taxes go to help others.

      • tedcrawford

        Read this part of the bill marc! Mabey you will “mind” this! Section–1233 Pages 424 thru 431! How do you like them apples?

        • Smilee

          FUNNY, NICE TRY BUT THERE IS NO SECTION 1233 IN THE BILL, IF THERE WAS SUCH AN ANIMAL IT WAS DELETED BEFORE IT WAS PASSED,

      • Smilee

        UNLESS THIS IS INCOME OTHER THAN SS YOU WOULD NOT PAY ANY TAXES

      • Joe H.

        Marc,
        Hope that when we get 3-4 dollar gas you think that!!! when they make you pay for your health insurance you still say that!!! After you start paying for it and all costs go up I hope your 25,000 a year will be enough for you to LIVE on!!!

      • Palin12

        Marc, I have great news for you! The IRS actually allows you to pay them more than you owe. Just enclose a note with your return that says “Dear IRS, I can’t believe how low my taxes are. I’m enclosing an extra $1000.” As for me, keep your cotton pickin hands outta my wallet!

  • Clement Williams

    I’m glad there is a state that takes care of everyone and honors the tradition of Immigration that made this country so great.

    Looking down upon ‘illegals’ (And by the way, how do you know who is an ‘illegal’ just by looking ate them?) Says more about the observer than the observed. Was it not Ronald Reagan who signed the immigration amnesty bill.

    It’s time to take a world view.

    And do I detect a hint of anti-semitism in the last comment? Perhaps this whole discussion is not a serious one after all?

    • George E

      Take a world view? You mean we should start policing our borders and punishing immigrants who come to this country illegally, like most countries do? Is that the world view you’re referring to?

      • Dave

        It’s the employers who hire the illegal aliens that are the problem not the government. Ironically, most of them are in Red states.

        • Allan

          Most illegals are in blue states.

          • Marc

            Dave and Allen ; can you both supply links to support your positions on this ?

          • Allan

            Lots of sources. Here’s a couple below…it’s estimated in various ways, since the last official census was in 2000. The number of illegals is estimated to be growing since then by roughly 500-600K per year. “blue” and “red” states are also viewed in different ways, those consistently blue for say 4 elections, or perhaps the last 2 elections. In general, the majority of illegals are in blue states. How many actual employers is unknown, but the number of illegals is about 60% in blue states to 40% in red states based on the 2008 election.

            Here’s 2004 numbers from the Pew Hispanic Ctr http://www.illegalaliens.us/
            Here’s 2000 nunbers
            http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants

          • Joe H.

            Allan,
            I’m sure ALL of the illegals are just jumping at the chance to fill out a census form and tell the world they are illegal!!! Do you really BELIEVE this stuff you spew???

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          NO there not all in red states!

    • Joe H.

      Immigration means coming into a country legally and following the laws of the country you immigrate to!!! The illegal immigrants (and there are all races of them, including Irish) are not even trying to do this!!! Just as soon as they cross the border they are breaking our laws!!!

    • Marc

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

      signed by President Reagan in 1986

      Simpson-Mazzoli Act , a bi-partisan bill Bi-partisan…..ahhh, to be able to work together again….

  • Clement Williams

    Oh and by the way. If those people could actually go to a regular doctor, they wouldn’t be lined up at the emergency room.

    • George E

      “Regular” doctors are refusing to accept the price that the government is paying them under current government healthcare programs, so when the current healthcare law kicks in, there won’t be enough “regular” doctors to serve everyone unless you’re going to be willing to pay the difference between what the government pays them and the price of their services. Where’s the quality and cost savings that you were promised?

    • libertytrain

      Clement – I disagree – the emergency room is easy so they won’t change.

      • Clement Williams

        Dear libertytrain, How do you know if they are going to change? Perhaps not overnight. (The way things are expected to change in this country).

        New laws are like trees. They take time to grow and impatience will not help. By the way,have you been to the emergency room lately? They will not check your blood for cancer or do any of the routine procedures that prevent chronic disease.

        They will check your heart and lungs. Fix broken bones and obvious things, but not long term preventative care- preventative care that will improve the overall health of everyone. For preventative care, they will simply tell you to see a general practitioner. So, it’s a misconception that the emergency room is a substitute for a General Practitioner.

        There will still be room for private medicine and private insurance.

        • libertytrain

          I hope you are right – there a lot of learning that needs to be unlearned – I have faith and hope.

        • Joe H.

          Actually Clement, YO are wrong, The ER discovered my aunts cancer by blood tests and they were quite accurate. She went in with severe pain and they worked till they found what was causing it!! A friend of mine, how ever, went to his DR. who told him he had appendecitis and it turned out he had an abcess about the size of his fist in his abdomen!!! About three weeks later he was so mad it wasn’t funny when the same DR. asked him how his appendix surgery went!!!

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Tom: Great analogy in an entertaining manner.

    Would you mind waking up Norm and passing this on to him and while you are at it remind him of the tax bracket in those countries that have a Socialist Government.

    Eric: President Obama was schooled in Chicago Politics so you know he is not one who would follow those rules. He has loaded his administration with Liberal academics who have no idea how to run a government; 14 Socialist and 1 Communist. Why would he do this unless his intention is to turn this nation toward Socialism? This scheme has been around at least until I first heard about it in 1969. maybe the big picture is an Americas Union and this country has to be Socialist before it will work. Sounds outlandish but think about what has happened in Europe and the Middle East where a common union, money and blocs have been formed. The ultimate goal is a world government based on Socialism and one currency. I hope we never live to see it happen.

    • Dave

      These crazy conspiracy theories are ridiculous. No one wants to change the US into a communist country and there is no New World Order. It’s amazing that these radical fringe ideas have made it out of the back woods where they started. Obama has no communists in his cabinet. Just because a policy doesn’t foollow pure capitalist manifesto it doesn’t mean that anyone is trying to turn this country into Russia. We’re just trying to have a sense of morality. Pure capitalism works great if you can count on everyone to be moral and look out for their fellow man but the closer we come to that the more we find out that is not reality. What happened when we deregulated banks? All of the Republicans said that natural market forces and human nature would regulate the industry without the boogie man government being involved. How did that work out? They took every advantage they could and made millions while the salaries and jobs of normal Americans were stagnant. The idea that their lavish spending would give people jobs is obsurd. Then they hide their money in offshore banks while the middle class pays for everything. The government is their to aid the public. They are there for the people and are supposed to be by the people. Corporate money has warped the system but conservatives just open the door more for that like the conservative congress put in place by GWB that allows corporations to directly contribute to elections without limit.

      • Allan

        Dave, if public and private sector employees could create jobs, they’d not need to work for other people. Give the collectivist segment a chunk of the United States to test out their theories and they’d eventually start eating each other due to lack of jobs and useful skills. Capitalism brings both exploitation and opportunity for others. So does any pursuit involving a group of people. That’s where moral teaching comes in. Ethics, as an example, used to be a subject in school. It was more about ONE’S OWN behavior than others’ (political correctness). Somewhere along the line, this was lost. Stifle individual incentive, and the MASSES who can’t generate their own wealth pay the greatest price…a tradeoff of long-term opportunity and self-development for the narcotic of temporary entitlement. Most things that aren’t fair become worse with government intervention. When an unfair condition exists between a business and its employees or customers in our system, another business wants the opportunity to take away those customers and employees, as long as government isn’t the obstacle. That, of course, is missing from the healthcare bill. Overall, our system has afforded the most freedom and best living conditions in history. It is far more disappointing to hear it taken for granted by our citizens than to hear another country engage in it. People willing and able to innovate and risk are not going to trade freedoms to test drive collectivist ideals. Contrary to what progressives seem to believe, conservatives get no personal gratification from incentive for the rich. It’s simply logical and necessary to preserve our system. Republican politicans are every bit as dishonest and self-serving as Democrats, but so long as they take the lead in protecting the incentive that has made us so fortunate, we support them. If Obama would stop beating up corporations and the rich, his economy would improve, and more in his party would be reelected. He wouldn’t need unions or progressives’ approval. The fact that this doesn’t happen tells me that it is not about economic well-being, but about being heroes of entitlement with the attendant adulation and power.

        • JeffH

          Allan, very good and thanks.

        • Smilee

          Overall, our system has afforded the most freedom and best living
          conditions in history.

          DAVE HAS IT RIGHT, ALLAN YOU ARE WRONG, YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE FOR A GENERATION OR MORE, SINCE THEN WE HAVE SEEN OUR COUNTRY GO FROM A COUNTRY OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE TO A COUNTRY OF THE CORPORATION, BY THE CORPORATIONS AND FOR THE CORPORATIONS. THEY HAVE FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES TAKEN OVER OUR GOVERNMENT AND LOBBIED FOR AND SECURED LAWS THAT AMOUNT TO NOTHING MORE THAN LEGAL THEFT FROM WE THE PEOPLE. CAPITALISM WITHOUT THE RULE OF LAW IS ANARCHY, CAPITALISM WITH THE RULE OF LAW WILL GIVE US WHAT YOU DESCRIBE BUT WE NO LONGER HAVE IT WITH RULES/LAWS EITHER REPEALED OR NEW ONES WRITTEN THAT ALLOW FOR IT AND ALSO PROVIDE FOR SUBSIDIES WHICH IS NOTHING MORE THAN CORPORATE WELFARE OR WELFARE FOR THE RICH WHICH IS 100 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WELFARE FOR THE POOR. THUS ARE CURRENT DILEMMA. LIKE IT OR NOT THE ONLY ENTITY WE HAVE TO CORRECT THIS IS THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU AND SO MANY HERE WANT THE CORPORATIONS TO RETAIN THEIR CURRENT POWER AND NOT THE PEOPLE, THEY TRUST CORPORATIONS MORE THAN GOVERNMENT AND DO NOT SEEM TO MIND THEY HAVE NO VOTING RIGHT IN THEM BUT DO IN THE GOVERNMENT BUT IF THOSE OF YOU WHO PROFESS LOVING FREEDOM ARE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THAT POWER YOU WILL BECOME THEIR SLAVES OUT OF ECONOMIC NECESSITY AND WE WILL SEE A LOT MORE STIFLED INNOVATION AND LOSS OF FREEDOM. WHEN YOU BLAME THE GOVERNMENT YOU ARE IN REALITY BLAMING YOURSELF AS BY OUR CONSTITUTION WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT AND YOURSELF AND MANY HERE ARE WORKING HARD TO GIVE THAT FREEDOM AWAY AND THE SAD PART IS I DOUBT YOU AND THEY EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THE SEASON FOR “FATHER FORGIVE THEM AS THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO”

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Smilee, I guess you can blame corporate America all you want!_But, Let me ask you a question:_HAVE YOU EVER WORKED FOR A POOR MAN?__I can answer that, no one has!__These so called big corporations provide jobs my friend__You can envy, even hate them all you want!!but we all have the oppertunity to enjoy the fruits of our labor!__some fruits will always be more than others__But the facts remain, you don’t sh*t, where you eat!___

          • Smilee

            ANGE WANNA BE

            BOY ARE YOU CONFUSED AND SIMPLE MINDED, CORPORATIONS ARE NOT RICH MEN THEY ARE ENTITIES WITHOUT A SOUL, CORPORATIONS HAVE ALWAYS PROVIDED JOBS BUT IN THE LAST GENERATION VERY FEW WITH LIVING WAGE JOBS, BEFORE THAT THEY PAID THEM WHAT THEY ACTUALLY EARNED FOR THEM, THEY NO LONGER DO THAT. IT IS NOT ENVY OR HATE HERE, JUST SADNESS AND DISGUST THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY SLAVE WAGES INSTEAD OF LIVING WAGE JOBS FOR REAL PEOPLE. THEY HAVE SENT MANY JOBS OVER SEAS SO THEY COULD USE USE REAL SLAVE LABOR OR ITS EQUIVALENT. YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE WHO WORSHIP YOUR CORPORATE MASTERS AND PREFER THAT TO WORKING AS A FREE MAN FOR THEM, YOUR NOT CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE STEALING THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR. A GENERATION AGO THIS NATIONS TOP 1% 0F THE WEALTH WAS SPREAD OVER THE TOP 22% OF THE POPULATION AND TODAY IT IS SPREAD OVER THE TOP 5%. DOES NOT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SPREADING OF THIS COUNTRIES WEALTH UPWARD, EFFORTS TODAY MAKES SOME WHINE THAT CORRECTIONS TO THAT IS SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUND BUT HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WHEN IT WAS BEING SPREAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. IN THE MINNEAPOLIS PAPER THE MN TWIN CITY METRO AREA, ST. CLOUD MN AREA & ST CROIX WI AREA BETWEEN NOV 2008 AND JANUARY 2010, THE UNION WORKERS MADE $6.66 PER HOUR MORE THAN NON UNION OR $13,853 MORE PER YEAR, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIVING WAGES AND SLAVE WAGES. UNION PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO BOW DOWN TO THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS OR KISS THEIR A$$ES AS OTHERS HAVE TO, MANY OF THE NON UNION JOBS MAKE THEIR EMPLOYEES ELIGIBLE FOR CHILD CARE SUBSIDIES, AND OTHER WELFARE PROGRAMS THAT IN EFFECT SUBSIDIZE THESE EMPLOYERS EMPLOYEES WAGE AND BENEFIT PACKAGES AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE, YOUR BIG CORPORATE LOBBIES LOBBYED AND GOT THESE WELFARE PROGRAMS KNOWING THEY COULD THEN PAY LESS AS PEOPLE DO HAVE TO LIVE BUT WITH THESE WELFARE PROGRAMS PAY A PART OF THEIR LIVING EXPENSES. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN EXCEPT IN THIS LAST GENERATION AND LONG AFTER LBJ’S WAR ON POVERTY WHEN WELFARE WAS MOSTLY FOR AID TO DEPENDENT CHILDREN AND NOT TO WORKING FAMILIES AS IT STARTED TO BE IN THE EIGHTIES. DO SLAVES REALLY ENJOY THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABORS, I THINK NOT, EMPLOYEES WITH A LIVING WAGE GET TO AND DO AND MOST TODAY THAT HAVE LIVING WAGES GOT THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR UNIONS AND NOT THE GOOD WILL OF THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS WHO ONLY CARE IF THEY ARE MADE TO CARE. TRUST ME UNION MEMBERS DO NOT SH1T WERE THEY EAT, CAN NOT SAY ABOUT YOU SLAVE TYPES AS I DO NOT KNOW. NO ENVY OR HATE JUST SADNESS AND DISGUST. OUR COUNTRY TODAY HAS THE GREATEST GAP BETWEEN RICH AND POOR THAN ANY OTHER CIVILIZED NATION. KEEP THIS UP AND ONLY THE TOP FIVE PERCENT WILL BE FREE AND HAVE FREEDOM, THIS IS OUR GREATEST PROBLEM TODAY AND YOU ARE A PART OF THAT PROBLEM AND NOT ITS SOLUTION UNLESS OF COURSE YOU ARE IN THAT 5% AND THEN I SUPPOSE YOU WOULD NOT GIVE A DAM.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Smilee, My Dad WAS A MEMBER OF UAW, my husband was a member of the UAW also___MY husband WAS AN UNION STEWART AND SAYS THE REASON YOU NEED UNIONS IS BECAUSE ALOT OF THE WORKERS DON’T WANT TO OBEY THE RULES__hE SAID ALOT OF THE MEN HE REPRESENTED HE NEVER KNEW, THE ONLY ONES HE KNEW, WHERE THE ONES THAT WERE ALWAYS IN TROUBLE
            Back in the early 1900′s to pehaps the 60′s_ they needed Unions??–perhaps some in remote AREAS are needed__Our son is large equipment operator, best boss around, NO UNION!—My brother, 40 years tool machine shop company__no union, best shop around!!!__Please don’t tell me they’re needed every where______But you newagers act like here in America, you’ve got to be saved from ALL the ALMIGHTY DEMONIZED CORPORATIONS__THE EVIL CEO’S GOT WHIPS AND CHAINS AND BEAT YOUR ASS’S INTO SUbMISSION,____PLEASE…SAVE IT FOR A GOOD STORY LINE…WE’RE OLDSTERS HONEY, WE JUST DIDN’T FALL OFF THE TRUCK!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Smilee_ your words WERE___”YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE WHO WORSHIP YOUR CORPORATE MASTERS AND PREFER THAT TO WORKING AS A FREE MAN FOR THEM, YOUR NOT CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE STEALING THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR”.(copy and pasted)___I’m sorry I do understand, I was small business owner for years, the only ones stealing the fruits of my labor were the government in the form of taxes!!!___SAAVY??

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be. you kind of understand where Smilee is coming from. This video pretty much describe what Smilee and her ilk believe, I think it is only fitting to leave the link for all to see…enjoy it Smilee, it’ll make you feel warm and fuzzy.
            http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/04/01/obama-best-president-ever/

          • Smilee

            Angel wanna be

            I was a union member for 40 years, the steward most of those years and not once did I experience any of what your relatives tell you. I did experience better than my non union counterparts where I worked, more wages SO NOW MORE SS than theirs, more benefits all around AND MY CORPORATE PENSION I NOW RECEIVE AND WILL RECEIVE THE REST OF MY LIFE IS $1000.00 MORE PER MONTH THAN THE NON UNION EMPLOYEES WHERE I WORKED, SISTER THAT AIN’T PEANUTS, BITCH ABOUT THE UNIONS ALL YOU WANT, I’M WHISTLING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK

          • Smilee

            jEFFIE

            CUTE BUT PURE PROPAGANDA, SO DEVOID OF FACTS AND FULL OF DISTORTIONS TYPICAL OF THESE TYPE OF YOU TUBE THAT YOU ARE SILLY ENOUGH TO BELIEVE AND I AM SURE THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SO IGNORANT ON SO MANY ISSUES

          • JeffH

            Rainbows and Unicorns…utopia for all that feed at the government trough…read my lips…Obama is a liar…heh heh!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, Man o Man, I want some of what Smilee’s smokin’!__what euphoria!

          • zack

            Smilee if you want to write a damn Book, do it somewhere else besides on here. no one wants to read a that mumble jumble kids stuff on here. SICKO, I believe that’s what you said.

          • eyeswideopen

            Angel, do you think a good union would have prevented the coal miners deaths? Or do you just view them as collateral damage like their CEO did?

  • Clement Williams

    To be progressive, means to think ahead. Turning the word into a noun is resorting insult to as opposed to intelligent discussion.

    Smoking and drinking your way to intelligence is a matter of your own free will but it’s not for me.

    Sober up and think clearly. Then your comments might be taken seriously.

  • Ken

    I for one am eagerly anticipating the midterm election. Lots of incumbents from both sides of the aisle will hopefully be replaced. I believe that incumbants are allowed to keep their campaign funds as income should they decide not to run for reelection. Many are likely to embarrass themselves by taking that way out. The American people really don’t want the government to be as big as it is, let alone expanding into health care and many other social areas. The ballot box is where the voices will be heard. Please speak clearly.
    P. S. WOW the spelling is bad here.

  • Clement Williams

    The present government is hardly “incumbent”, they have barely been in office.

    • Joe H.

      clement,
      they may have only been in office a short while but it has been more than long enough!!!

    • tedcrawford

      In your previous comment you refered to people drinking and smokeing their way to intellect. I’m not sure what you’ve smoked to get yours but, you surly need to find another substance if you really believe that this “government” isn’t incumbent! Both houses of congress are filled with them.
      If you intended to mean the current administration you must be discounting the fact that they are only one tier of a three tier government. I do, of course, realize that you progressives would like to eliminate, or control the other two, but that’s not,yet at least, the current system. Perhaps a Fraudian slip?

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    From: James Graham
    From: S STEELE
    Date: 3/22/2010 3:10:38 PM
    Subject: FW: Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman. Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    congressman, Senators And Representatives.
    Just think of all the money this would save the tax payers!!!!!

    I think the Senators, Representatives or Congressman that comes out strongly for this will be our next President.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • V Cox

      Do any of you realize that this post is on here everyday, whatever the subject. Supposedly posted by a retired military vet, it is absolutely full of mis-information and untruths. Please check these things out as this message is being sent out via email, to perpetuate the idea that the congress is exempt from the new healthcare plan, when in fact they are required, along with all paid staff, to participate only in the new plan exchange. They will no longer be eligible for the FEHB (Federal Emplyee Health Benefit) and all the other stuff about Social Security and Retirement is just plain false.
      Mr James A Graham is a liar

      • I’m G. Soros

        Congress & gov’t employees would be exempt from new insurance mandates
        CBS News reports:
        … page 158 of the legislation, which appears to create a carve out for senior staff members in the leadership offices and on congressional committees, essentially exempting those senior Democrat staffers who wrote the bill from being forced to purchase health care plans in the same way as other Americans.

        Members of Congress “enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country,” according to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. They “can choose from among consumer-driven and high deductible plans that offer catastrophic risk protection with higher deductibles, health saving/reimbursable accounts and lower premiums, or fee-for-service (FFS) plans, and their preferred provider organizations (PPO), or health maintenance organizations (HMO).” These choices would be nice for all of us, but they’re not in the offing. Instead, if you don’t enroll in a “qualified” health plan and submit proof of enrollment to the federal government, you’ll be tracked down and fined (sections 3101 and 6055).

        For a health plan to count as “qualified,” it has to meet all the restrictions listed in the legislation and whatever criteria the Secretary of Health and Human Services imposes after the bill becomes law. You may think you’re in a “qualified” plan, but the language suggests that only plans with managed-care controls such as the “medical home” will meet the definition.
        http://www.patientpowernow.org/2009/06/22/congress-federal-employees-exempt-insurance-mandates/

        • I’m G. Soros

          As for members of Congress under the House bill? They would be eligible to buy into the federal plan. Albright, of the Education and Labor Committee, told us the “public option” would be available to members of Congress, if they wanted to choose it.

        • V Cox

          Members of Congress enjoy the same selection as thousands of federal employees, nothing more, nothing less. Did anyone read page 158?? It does not exempt congress, it requires congress and staff to participate. It is true that a small number of committee staffers are exempt, because they do not work directly for any one congressman.
          Please read the page….

  • Ben Goodin

    The rich have been waging class warfare against the poor and middle class for over a century. It’s about time we make them pay. I think someone like Rush Limbaugh, who owns a 13 million dollar penthouse and pays over $80.000 a month in maintenance fees can afford to pay a little extra.

    • George E

      Ben,

      Every time we try to tax the rich, we just get kicked in the seat of the pants ourselves. Remember a few years ago how we were just going to tax those expensive yachts and raise a lot of revenue? As it turned out, we only put the yacht manufacturers in this country out of business because the rich took their business to other countries. However, the guys who worked for the yacht manufacturers lost their jobs, and we didn’t raise the tax revenue from yacht sales that we thought we would. Further, taxing the rich only starts with the rich, but nearly always ends up taxing the poor and middle class as well, if not directly, indirectly through higher prices we pay for the goods and services the rich sell us. Don’t be fooled by politicians who tell you they’ll give you free things and the rich will pay for them. It just doesn’t work out that way.

      • eyeswideopen

        George, tax cuts don’t help the middle class either. http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2003/0509taxes_gale.aspx

        http://www.forbes.com/2008/01/29/bush-tax-children-biz-wash-cz-ae-0130beltway.html

        When people have only one theory on how to handle different fiscal situations, like “Cut Taxes”, and no regulation for business’ is why we have these problems. Alan Greenspan quote ” was adamant that additional consumer regulation was something he had absoutely no interest in” was why the Fed did not step in under the HOEPA authority that it had and stop the abuses going on with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Which had been privitized in 1968 by LBJ. Senators, Paul Sarbanes and John Lafalce in 2000 tried to get situation under control, but were met with resistance from Greenspan, Fed, Freddie/Fannie, the banking industry, the “free market” repubs, Blue dog dems, and all those who thought that the market would police itself. We now have billionaires who made their fortunes not with a product/creating jobs, but by gambling that people would default on their mortgages because they knew that the tax cuts would in realty mean higher taxes for the middle class and their incomes were not increasing. We didn’t learn a thing from Reagan’s tax cuts and his economic plans which took us from the biggest creditor nation to the biggest debtor nation in 8 years. This Cato article gives a lot of insight. http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-ak-20081209.html

        • Dave

          Thanks Eye Wide Open. I appreciate the fact check.

        • zack

          eyes you need to change your name to “EYE” I saw you on TV and you only had one eye, right in the center of your head.

          • Smilee

            you know zack I’ve scrolled down this far and seen all of your childish posts, are you totally incapable of saying anything intelligent. one would think a seal would be required to have some intelligence or have you been sneaking out in them poppy fields over there??

      • Dave

        So what you’re saying is that didn’t work so we should just leave the rich alone to do what they please at the expense of everyone else. It’s great to be rich I’m sure. I’d love to be rich some day if it works out that way. But there is no rich person that has not made that money without hard work from middle class and lower class workers. We buy their food, deliver their products, work in their warehouses, build their cars. Don’t you think someone needs to look out for those little people that helped the rich get that money and keep it. The ones who do the actual work that many rich profit from? I don’t think we should divide up the rich people’s bank accounts, as comunists believe. However, I do think we deserve to know that even if we had a preexisting condition or lost our jobs we know we have healthcare when we get sick. I do believe that we should make sure we know that we won’t be homeless as senior citizens. I do believe everyone should be able to get food to eat. Did you know that this country isn’t even in the top 20 countries for healthy childbirths? More children, and mothers, die during childbirth or before in this country then man eastern block countries. That is unbelievable. What did that child do to deserve that. The conservatives want to make sure that child isn’t aborted but they don’t want to give that child any right to healthcare once it’s born. Is that baby a lazy illegal alien? That baby should have the same right as everyone else.

        • Joe H.

          Gee, dave, are you as worried about the unborn that are aborted in this country??? something like 150 million and counting so far!!! Do you think that is as much as a shame?? Or is that different because the parents WANTED them to die? you libbies are such hippocrites!!!

        • tedcrawford

          Contrary to progressive beliefs one doesn’t become wealthy by wishing and hopeing! To attain wealth you must be willing to work hard and long, take hugh risks with your wealth, however large or small,and sacrifice the benifits that most take for granted.
          If you beat the 5to1 against odds, you incounter the ones who were unwilling to tackle the odds. Their philosophy being “you have too much you must share”!
          No, I’m not one of those that beat the odds, they have beaten me on three occasions! I do, however, not begrudge those more successful than myself, and given the oppertunity, I’ll try again!

    • Tom

      Ben,

      Maybe you could convince the members of the senate and congress do take the first step. A large percentage of those who lead, are millionaires-multimillionaires, and is some cases billionaires. Lets start with Polosie, Reid, McCain, Kerry, Sharpton, Dodd, I think you get the picture. LJK has it right, “Live the American Dream”. Work hard to get there and don’t worry about who is in front or behind.

    • Bob

      Ben, you have it backwards. The rich actually employ the poor and middle class. The rich only succeed when they provide a product or service that people actually want. The poor who want to take from the rich are the greedy ones, not the rich, for the most part.

      We need more rich people, not less. To tax them and steal their money and give it to others that it doesn’t belong to is a crime.

      • Joe H.

        Bob,
        i was just about to state that. how many of those working today are doing so because of a very rich person??? Henry Ford was rich by the standards of the day and look at what came about because of him!! I don’t know of anybody that got a job from a poor person and got paid by them!!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      BG, CLASS ENVY SHOULD’VE ENDED IN HIGH SCHOOL!, WE ALL HAVE THE
      OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER OURSELVES. YOU CAN TAX THE BIG GUYS FOR A WHILE, BUT THEY PROVIDE JOBS FRIEND__YA KEEP TAXING AND REGULATING THEM, THEY’LL EVENTUALLY GET FED UP, AND BE DRIVEN OFF SHORE, AND FIND OTHER PEOPLE IN NEED OF WORK, TO WORK FOR THEM__wHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK ALOT THESE COMPANIES HIRE ILLEGALS, BECAUSE THE ILLEGALS AREN’T AFRAID TO DO MEAGER JOBS TO PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLES, LIKE AMERICANS ARE__I’M NOT SAYING IT’S RIGHT THE ILLAGALS ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, IT’S NOT BY ANY MEANS___BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, GOVERNMENT CAN’T SEEM TO MAKE UP THEIR MINDS ABOUT BORDER CONTROL.THE ONLY REASON OBAMA, WANTS TO GRANT AMNESTY IS MORE VOTES!

      • JeffH

        a pretty good understanding…

    • momof4

      Ben,
      How dare you think you have the right to anyones money,I don’t care how rich they are! It’s none of your business. People have a right to work their butts off and get rich if they want, more power to them.
      Please, get you butt out there and make your own money. You used Rush as an example, do you know how much he gives in charity? He gives plenty and he a great support to our men and women in uniform. So stop being envious of the rich it will get you nowhere.

  • LJK

    Thanks guys ! Great posts today. I start reading these every morning, but usually stop after a few ~ cuss they tend to get profane,childish or overly religious. I’m an opened minded Libertarian ~ so I like to hear sound ideas from Republicans and even Democrats.
    Most of you are ‘preaching to the choir’ ~ good way to vent ~ but there’s a lot of us out here ‘reading’, ‘learning’. So I would ask you to spend less time blame’g Bush or Clinton ~ and more time developing and expanding on solutions. I’m older ~ and I would like to pass on the “Great American Dream’ to the next Generation ~ and if we don’t come up with some solutions very soon ~ that will not come to pass
    Today ~ your’re doing pretty good (‘cept for the couple crack-pots you should delete from the blog) ~ some good ‘Food for thought’ ideas.

    LJK

  • Clement Williams

    I like the 28th amendment idea. The law should apply to everyone. It’s mind boggling to think otherwise.

    • V Cox

      Clem: you are misinformed. Check out the facts. Mr. Graham posts the same message about amending the constitution and most of his comment is misleading at best and patently false at worst.

    • Smilee

      THAT IS THE CURRENT LAW, AND THE LAWS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL, THERE ARE MANY FORMER CONGRESSMEN IN JAIL RIGHT NOW FOR CRIMES COMMITTED WHILE IN OFFICE, WHY THERE ARE THOSE OUT THERE THAT WANT YOU TO BELIEVE THEY LIVE UNDER DIFFERENT LAWS THAN THE REST OF US I DO NOT KNOW. I SUPPOSE THEY JUST HATE CONGRESSMEN AND THE GOVERNMENT AN THAT IS WHAT MOST LIKELY PROMPTS THESE IDIOTIC POSTS

      • JeffH

        Believe in the government to take care of you, it’s OK, we understand where you are coming from…whew!

  • http://gmail Tomm Payne

    If Mr. Nelson can now regret his vote to make 60 then why
    can he not rescind his vote now and get this mess overwith?
    Sure would have saved a lot of money and currant trouble.

    • V Cox

      Nelson made the 60th on the original vote. The plan passed last week with 53 votes. Pay attention.

      • Smilee

        ONCE A BILL IS PASSED NO ONE CAN CHANGE THEIR VOTE, THEY CAN HOWEVER HOLD ANOTHER VOTE TO RESCIND BUT EVERYONE WOULD VOTE ON THAT TOO AND THAT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE 51 VOTES IN THE SENATE, SO I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY THIS HEALTH CARE LAW IS HERE TO STAY. YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT VOTING TO RESCIND IT AND THAT WOULD TAKE A CHANGE IN THE SENATE MAKEUP FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO GO FROM 41 NOW TO 67 NEXT YEAR SO THEY COULD OVERIDE OBAMA’S VETO AND IN THE HOUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO GO FROM THE CURRENT 178 TO 290 TO OVERRIDE, THIS IS SILLY TALK AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN

        • zack

          Smilee keep a watching. In November all is going to change. Things will be so much better then

  • http://www.tomdphotography.com/ Thomas Dittmer

    While everyone is up in arms about obamacare and all the ills brought to light about democrats in Washington DC, I would ask that you stop and consider:

    Most American major metropolitan areas with the highest un-employment rates are those that have been democratically controlled for many past years – and I am not talking 5 or 10 years – I am talking more than 20 and some instances more than 30 years. Clean up the local areas and the national politicians will get the hint!

  • Clement Williams

    Dear V ‘ox:
    I’m not at all mis-informed sir. I simply think that the law should apply to everyone. I was not referring specifically to the health care Bill, ut to every law of the land. My comment was in support of an earlier post. So let’s try to be positive instead of adversarial.

    It is refreshing that someone is willing to hear “even from democrats’. I am not a democrat or a Republican but I have some great friends from either side.

    (And by the way even my good friends don’t abbreviate my name.)

  • charlie

    I agree with most of the stuff, but think we need to go further.
    we need to have pelsoi tried for treason and executed. She validated Obama without looking at his long for birth certificate and lack of investigation. This is true for the state of Hawaii, for the other 49 she merly stated he was a democratic candidate. we need an ethics ammendment that includes (not exempt) congress members with their constitutents in every bill they pass. we need to define who validates presidental requirement. remove congress ethics committees and replace with independent prosecution. remove reconcillation which bypasses the constitution. remove party functions in congress. no majority/minority party functions. we have had an erosion of the constitution for the past 100 years, we need to take it back.

    • Jo

      Validation should be made by the people with a system like jury duty. When needed a certain amount of people can be selected at random to serve as a validation council. That would stop the bribery and special interest.

      • Smilee

        THAT’S WHAT ELECTIONS DO SILLY

    • Dave

      Come on Charlie. I agree that even I get carried away sometimes because this gets emotional but do you really believe that Nancy Pelosi is guilty of treason or that Barack Obama is not American? Would you even question that if he was white and his name was Jim Smith? I might even agree with SOME of what you say if you didn’t include things like that. That’s part of the problem in this country. Maybe get over the weird name thing and the rest of it and let’s move on to real concerns. We don’t have to agree but we shouldn’t waste time on ridiculous accusations.

      • Vicki

        Last I looked John McCain is white. The Democrat controlled congress made a big deal about his “natural born” status and requiring proof that he was in fact natural born.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

        That they did not do the same for Obama, combined with the millions spent to suppress any investigation of Obama speaks volumes.

      • coal miner

        Dave,

        They will never get over a black man being elected president. They called the president a marxist socialist and say they want to eliminate all government programs.I bet if you would eliminate Social Security,medicare and government pensions,you would have a fight on your hands. Social programs such as Social Security and old age pension were actually borrow from the American Socalist Party.These morons better be careful what they wish for.They may indeed get it.

  • Char

    To V Cox;

    You are misinformed about the congress and senators having the same health care that they have put on us out here. No only that they also get their pensions at the same pay. Prove to us where in the bill your information came from.

  • Jo

    So the logic with the “unearned income” is to take it away from someone because someone else’s makes the decision that they did not earn it just to give it away to someone that really did not earn it. When people fully wake up, there are many that are going to be very surprised when they finally realize that they were bitten by a snake.

  • Sue

    The greatest power grab in history–Obumer cares nothing about the common citizenry. He is after POWER. Example–What does the $17 Billion per year for his private army-(claims for immediate help in disasters.) What’s wrong with the National guard units filling that need? Now Obumer wants an army subject to his command ONLY. Getting ready to confiscate all firearms (2nd amendment rights violation) When are people going to wake up. He is coming to take over our entire life and liberties. He will use any tactics to do so. People who believe in the constitution –WAKE UP. Hope it’s not too late. ALL Conservatives- Wake up. Health care is already beginning to be rationed. Vancouver Urgent Health care clinic refused to care for any 83 year old woman who feared she had pneumonia.Medicare .

    • Dave

      This is the kind of thing I’m talking about. Do you really believe this? Where do you people get this stuff? Were you absent for Katrina? There is no private army that’s going to confiscate your guns. All gun control advocates want is for guns to be controlled not confiscated. Is waiting 2 weeks to get your gun really so bad? Is being limited to a certain number of guns so bad? It’s statements like this that scare people like me about what you’re going to do with your guns. It was a Conservative president that expanded the powers of the white house not the Democrat. None of you people had any problem with it then. Barack Obama is an intelligent man who cares about common people. He is trying to help common people and you try to brand it as socialism. He tries to ready our country for disaster and you’re so quick to believe it’s a “private army.” Any conservatives out there with valid points should move to quiet this population because this is how you’re being branded. I think there are good ideas on both sides but when I see things like this I want to make sure no one that will cater to these types will ever be in office. It just shuts down the process.

      • JeffH

        Dave, the sad part is that you have become a pawn in Obama’s world.
        Gun control? Obama is 100% against anyone owning a gun and 100% for complete gun control! He has never voted against a gun control bill, that is a 100% voting record for gun control.

        The foresight of Thomas Jefferson: “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776
        “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Jefferson’s “Commonplace Book,” 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

        The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” — The Federalist, No. 46
        - James Madison

        “[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens.” — The Federalist, No. 29
        - Alexander Hamilton

        “What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins.” — Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789
        - Elbridge Gerry
        http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/RKBA/2ndQuotes.html

        • MikeC

          Words of wisdom, JeffH.

          Recently Hillary commited to the U.N.(W.O) small arms treaty. We know where this is going! Keep your powder dry!

        • Smilee

          ANOTHER PARANOID AND IDIOTIC POST BY JEFF

          • JeffH

            Read my lips! GOOD ONE SMILEEEEEEEEE YEOWWWWW!

      • JeffH

        You guys live in fear alright. The fear that you might have to depend on yourselves to clean your poopy bottoms instead of Mother government.
        Responsibility does not require the governments intrusion and control of freedom of man, responsibility requires that man(the people) is responsible for intrusion and control of the government to maintain freedom via the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

        Simply put, start wiping your own azz!

        • Smilee

          ANOTHER SILLY PARANOID AND IDIOTIC POST BY JEFF

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          jEFFH, absolutely true jeff, you and I discussed this before!!
          RESPONCIBILITY AND ACCOUNTIBILITY FOR ONESELF AND FAMILY!

          • JeffH

            I’m so paranoid I’m afraid that Big Daddy government might read what I say and come after me….OOOHHHHH! SCARY! Thanks for the comment Smilee, you’ve opened my eyes.

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            the two words that libbies hate the most…..Personal Responsibility!!

          • Palin12

            and right after that comes “freedom”.

      • tedcrawford

        I don’t know where others may get their “stuff”, but I get mine from obama himself! During the campaign he stated that we needed a civilian force equal to the military and funded by the government! The real question might be where were you during the campaign!

        • Joe H.

          I heard the same thing except for the phrase “as well armed” was there as well!! And it was live!!! No Chance For Editing!!!!

        • Vicki

          Here is the exact quote. Directly from Obama himself.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

  • kate8

    First of all, for you who criticized all the money Rush spends on maintenance, THESE ARE JOBS PEOPLE ARE BEING HIRED TO DO. Rich people
    create jobs. Duh.

    Obama’s legitimacy is critical. Military officers are putting their
    careers on the line to force him to prove it, and still he refuses to do so. The rest of the DC sellouts protect him, and the media ridicules anyone who brings it up. This fish is really starting to stink. How long are we going to put up with this charade?

    We now have standing (as if we didn’t before), as we are being saddled with oppressive and unpopular legislation. We are being harmed. Unless he shows he’s a legitimate POTUS, nothing he signs is
    worth the paper it’s printed on, and I say we refuse to comply. That
    would make the rest of this side-show moot.

    Any of you have the guts to defy this treasonous administration and
    complicit Congress (and stacked Judiciary)? I’m afraid this may be
    the only way to force the issue.

    • Dave

      Again, this is ridiculous. He is a legitimate citizen and if he had a different name and skin color this wouldn’t even be an issue. He doesn’t have to prove anything to the radical fringe. Look at what he’s really trying to do and stop watching so much Fox News. You’re being lead like sheep. The judiciary is the same as when GWB was president. Were they treasonous then? This issue has been poured over by everyone. Not even Fox News makes this assertion and you know they would if there were any legitimacy. Let’s move on. Obama is the Commander and Chief. Those soldiers are putting their lives on the line for their fellow countrymen, not for him anyway. I say we try to have a civil discourse about what’s best for this country not a rant about upholding the consitution. The constitution was written in somewhat vague terms at times because our forefathers knew that they could not predict every condition and because there were descenting opinions even then. Please don’t pretend that your interpretation of a document you never read is the black and white letter of law in this land and that every one else is dead wrong.

      • MikeC

        Typical Lib-wing Constitutional interperation, DaveH.

        People support the troops, not the mission. Isn’t that why you voted for Barry anyway! A lot of soldiers have awoken to what’s going on here, and are frustrated that they are the target of the NSA when they get back from combat! Don’t worry, so am I! ;)

        • JeffH

          Not DaveH…

          • Smilee

            HEY JEFF, YOU ARE ACTUALLY RIGHT THIS TIME, DAVE AND daveH ARE AS DIFFERENT AS DAY AND NIGHT

          • JeffH

            Brilliant am I?

          • Smilee

            NO YOU ARE NOT

          • JeffH

            Coming from a bonefied idiot, I’ll take that as a compliment! Thanks Idiot…you’re welcome!

    • MikeC

      Obamacrime.com (Barry Soetaro) http://obamacrimes.com/

      Dave, Barry’s the first president to seal all of his records. He’s not legit. Born in Kenyan, later adopted by his stepfather Soetaro, renouncing his citizen. He’s invested over $1.6 million to fight the lawsuit. If he had a birth cert. he would have shown it already. All you’ve seen is his Certificate of Birth. Not the same thing! Nice try! He’s on the run!

      • Smilee

        another stupid statement by someone who is incapable of seeing the truth

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          SMILEE, THAT’S FUNNY AND THE VERY SAME THING WE SAY ABOUT THE LIBERALS!

          • Smilee

            DIFFERENCE IS WHEN WE SAY IT, IT IS THE TRUTH

          • JeffH

            As you can see, now that Americans realize the changes master O’man had in mind for America, they’re jumping ship in droves.

          • Smilee

            IN YOUR DREAMS JEFF, IN YOUR DREAMS

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            In your Wet Dreams Smilee!!

          • Joe H.

            “when we say it it’s the truth” Let’s see I”I never had sexual relations with that woman”, “I was never alone with that woman”, “We thought the dishes and silver was ours”, “I smoked but I never inhaled” It never ends!!! “mine will be the most transparant administration, ever” “I will close GITMO the first year of my administration”, “No illegals will be covered”, “All meetings will be on CNN” “The republicans have offered nothing but obstruction” “We don’t want a one payer system” From one administration to another!!!

          • Palin12

            Smelly just keeps copying and pasting the same stupid remarks over and over! Transparent alright!

          • JeffH

            Why does she constantly scream? I hope she’s not pulling her hair out too. I find bald headed women unatractive.

          • Smilee

            Palin12 says:
            April 3, 2010 at 10:50 pm

            STUPID THEY ARE BUT THE SAD PART IS THEY ARE SO TRUE

          • Smilee

            angel-wanna-be says:
            April 3, 2010 at 1:37 pm

            In your Wet Dreams Smilee!!

            Send me a revealing picture, I’ll let you know if it has that effect, sweetie

          • libertytrain

            Smilee – are you or are you related to Bill Clinton?

          • Smilee

            libertytrain says: April 7, 2010 at 1:18 pm

            VERY CUTE

        • coal miner

          Smilee,

          Please to meet you.I am a retired coal miner and I too enjoy a hefty retirement and benefits.My insurance is paid up for life.I owe my existance to the United Mine workers Union.Unionized mines are not only the safest, but the healthest places to work at.Most scab mines have very little benefits or none at all and you can count on developing black lung,due to poor working conditions.That is one affliction I don’t have. . I got the unions to thank for it. Unions also help keep the factories and mines safe and clean.With out them,we be back in the 1880s.We would have sweat shops and living on scrip.For those who don’t know what was scrip .Scrip years ago was used in place of money.You shop at only company stores,it couldn’t be used elsewhere.You buy your food, clothing and pay your rent.Men,women, and children work in these factories and coal mines,the working conditions were horrible,with very little hope. We came a long way,lets not lose it,due to ignorance and stupidity.KEEP THE UNIONS STRONG.THE RIGHTS YOU SAVE,MAY BE YOUR OWN.

        • MikeC

          Looks as though your ignorance is hidden behind a smilee! You offer no facts, just a lame comeback! How’s that working for you!

          • Smilee

            MikeC says:
            April 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm

            Looks as though your ignorance is hidden behind a smilee! You offer no facts, just a lame comeback! How’s that working for you!

            mickie, coal miner has lived it and so have I we know all about it, if you knew the history of organized labor you would know how much better unions jobs are, non union jobs had none of the benefits union job had until the unions got them first and then employers discovered to compete they had to also start offering, health care ins. vacations, holiday paid for, pensions etc to all, They never got as much pay as union jobs but without unions they would still be working 72 hour weeks w/o overtime pay with no benefits, and this mentions nothing about safety issues and stress free working conditions. MY PENSION IS $1000.00 a month more than my non union coworker where I worked, more income so more SS than them. before I RETIRED I got 5 weeks paid vacation, 11 paid Holidays a year, that’s 36 days a year of time off with pay, time and a half after 8 hours and Saturdays, double time over 12 hours per day and Sundays and two and a half on holidays. Union workers even today make $13,500.00 a year on average over non union workers. ARE YOU JEALOUS AND FEEL TRAPPED, WELl, JOIN A UNION

  • http://gmail i41

    For a responce, that only the right talks about Karl Marx, you liberal socialists don’t mention him, because Omoron is all you see and think about. All dems love that Omoron is leading all of us on planned idea the state takes care of everthing. No personal responsiblity. Illegals will never go to regular Dr. because of all the paper work and there would be asked too many questions. All the screwed up laws and rules passed by wanna be dems and the feel good democrat party faithful, have prevented us from cleaning out the illegals and saving our medical centers. When we caputured 7 illegals for stealing tools and gas in Mt, we called INS, to come and pick them up at the holding pen, at the jail. The first question from the INS was are they felons, 2nd question was, what their names were, and then we were told to let then go because we didn’t have 10 head. They were realeased to go on down the road, to steal again. They were caught with the goods, cattle theives were hung out here, no repeat offeners. The value of goods they were caught with was equivalant to 15 head of livestock. I realize you socialist democrats never have a problem with stealing in any form, that is why gehetto bums and minorities are their core voting groups!!

    • Dave

      It’s not just illegal aliens and freeloaders that use these services. Is it worth denying people that need services that right because we want to punish the rest? I’m not happy those people are there either but it’s even always their fault. I won’t get into that though because you lack the depth and compassion for fellow man to understand. You are taking one story about some illegal aliens that were thieves and making it out to be that’s who I’m championing. If they stole, they should have been arrested. Part of the reason they couldn’t be held is because we can’t afford to house criminals because so many have been sentenced unfairly. Do you think it’s free to imprison and try someone. If you have a problem with that specific aspect, try to fix it. Don’t assume that it’s all democrats faults because those people tried to steal your livestock. Being illegal aliens, or Mexican did not make them do it. Being thieves, and probably being desperate made them do it. I’ve had stuff stolen from white rednecks before should we have campaign against them? My goal in life is not to insure every illegal alien. I think there are underlying conditions that exist that cause the problem with illegal aliens and some kind of road to citizenship may be a good idea but that’s a whole other issue. You were an immigrant once too you know. Show some compassion. They are here searching for a better life just like your ancestors were. Also, why would I go to a blog where everyone agrees with me? That’s what you’re doing so you can find comfort in numbers and have no one question you. I think you need to listen to other viewpoints. I don’t think you’ll convert to being just like me. This country is founded on people of different viewpoints working towards a common goal. I just think a lot of people like you have lost sight of that goal.

      • Joe H.

        Dave,
        What about the 23 that were picked up by ICE and Neopolitan ordered released and then ordered them issued papers allowing them to stay here?? To me, that is overstepping her bounds of her job!!!! These incidents are not as isolated as you think!!!

      • Vicki

        go into any emergency room and you will not be denied service for any reason. The order you are taken is dependent on the percevied nature of your emergency

        Now let us discuss the notion that health-care is a right. Let us assume for the sake of this point that it IS a right.

        1. From where did this right come?

        All rights come from your creator.
        If health-care IS a right then your creator has already given you the power to exercise this right. You do not need nor want government to wield this power over you. Wield it yourself.

        If you contend that you can not wield this right then you are saying that it is not a right.

        2. Who is going to provide healthcare

        If it is not a right but a mandate from government then someone will be enslaved to provide health-care. It might be well trained doctors at first but sooner or later it will be whomever the government can force to pretend to be a doctor.

        Is that what you really want?

        Remember if it is a right then your creator has already provided you with it.

        If it is a government mandate then some slave will have to serve you.
        This is not the way of a free people.

  • Clement Williams

    I agree with you Dave. I don’t think this is an opportunity for serious debate. If these are the people who are objecting to the health care and were protesting on the Hill during vote time then we are really in trouble.

    Is there anyone with an informed, valid, constructive, sensible and non inflammatory suggestion?

    • Warrior

      YUP, Stop the spending!

  • kate8

    That’s because you socialists are deaf to reason, so why bother? You
    are all in lockstep with your idiotic talking points.

    You might try one of your liberal blogs. I’m sure you would find it
    much more fulfilling.

    • eyeswideopen

      Kate8, how many web sites were you and kbab kicked off of?? Just curious.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        eyes, what’s that have to do with Obama??___SPIN!

        • JeffH

          …like a top!

        • Joe H.

          Angel,
          she just wants to know to make sure they haven’t been kicked off more than she has. Thats quite a record to her!!!

  • JeffH

    Rep. Phil Hare (D-IL): I Don’t Worry About The Constitution!
    This is the mindset of the White House as well.
    http://dailyradar.com/beltwayblips/video/phil-hare-doesn/

    • MikeC

      JeffH, saw this today, and posted it on my FB for all to see the shame and sham of our Reps. Hare was caught off-guard and couldn’t respond with the preprogrammed rhetoric! “You better start looking for a job”

    • Smilee

      He should of walked out and left that bunch of rude idiots screaming at each other, in the end this will be held constitutional wait and see,

      • MikeC

        Because, like you, he couldn’t defend his words. These guys cannot debate without a teleprompter! Hare was called on his shizz and cried like a little beatch! He probably went home, grabbed his blanky, and sucked his thumb…or, his boyfriend’s! Because, at the end of the day, BS is BS!

        • Smilee

          A DEBATE????? SURELY YOU JEST!!!

          • MikeC

            The citizen’s tried! However, you and Hare debate with snide rhetoric and cheap comebacks, printed on the back of your kool aid packets. Hey, let me show you how to turn off your CAPS LOCK, however, I may have my work cutout for me! Keep talking from candyland!

  • JeffH

    As Joe Biden Calls Redistribution “Being Fair,” Another Insurer Claims Big Loses Due To ObamaCare.
    We have to start reversing this in November, otherwise this country is doomed. Continue to stand up, be heard and helpake a differance.

  • JeffH

    A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows an uphill selling job ahead for President Obama and congressional Democrats to convince most Americans that the health care overhaul passed last week will help them and their families.

    In the poll, 50% call passage of the bill “a bad thing” and 47% say it was “a good thing.” That’s at odds with the findings of a one-day USA TODAY Poll taken a week ago — a day after the U.S. House approved the legislation — in which a 49%-40% plurality called the bill “a good thing.”

    ~~~
    The failure of the new law to get even plurality support is especially sobering for House Democrats from competitive congressional districts who heeded pleas from the White House and congressional leaders to vote “yes.” The legislation passed 219-212, with just three votes to spare.

  • JeffH

    Sharpton: “Americans Overwhelmingly Voted For Socialism When They Elected Obama” (Video)
    Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:15 AM
    Jim Hoft
    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/sharpton-americans-overwhelmingly-voted-for-socialism-when-they-elected-obama-video/

  • JeffH

    Senator Admits ObamaCare About Income Redistribution.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY4Qbv7gPbo

    • JeffH

      Sen. Baucus calls it an “incomeship”…these guys have literally “left” the planet.

  • JeffH

    ObamaCare Signing: Ex-con at the Scene of the Crimeby Joel B. Pollak
    Convicted felon Robert Creamer, who wrote the blueprint for the Democrats’ health care reform campaign, attended official health care signing celebrations in Washington, D.C. yesterday. He was joined by numerous activists and “community organizers” who have had their sights set on nationalizing health care and have finally achieved it. Creamer’s spouse, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, was one of the bill’s most vociferous proponents.

    http://biggovernment.com/jpollak/2010/03/25/obamacare-signing-ex-con-at-the-scene-of-the-crime/#more-95874

    My god, there is just so much information available that a “blind man” can see what Obama and his cronies are up to in their quest to complete a 100% socialization of our country.
    I can’t believe that the presidential voting really reflects the reality of it all. Correct your mistake while there is still time.
    Liberals, you’re being used like a condom!

    • Smilee

      when you cherry pick what you want to believe you get it everything out of context and you do a lot of cherry picking

      • JeffH

        Nothing out of context here! It’s all documented, but you do have to search for it, just not very hard. Don’t you just get all up in arms with all of the editing that’s done to these, which takes their words out of context. It’s just terrible!

        • Smilee

          ON FAR RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA SITES, COME ON JEFFIE I REALLY THOUGHT YOU HAD MORE BRAINS THAN THAT

          • Joe H.

            Smelly,
            No you’ve got it backwards!! He’s got too many brains to believe that mush for brains crap you spew!!!! HE is not brain washed like you!! Course when you only have alima bean for a brain it’s real easy to wash it!!! It also explains the brainfarts your letting out!!!

          • JeffH

            Heck you moron, shows how smart you’re not. I couldn’t bring myself to post that socialist crap you read, I prefer the reputable and fair ones that provide factual information instead of Rainbows and Unicorns.

  • Clement Williams

    What’s the solution then? How do you make it so that all hard working people can have good healthcare coverage?

    Let’s stay constructive without reference to sex or profanity.

    • MikeC

      Clement,

      I’ve stated before, that being treated by a doctor or specialist has never been the problem. You can always walk into an office and get treated. It’s always been about getting affordable insurance, and the coverage, thereof. WE DON’T NEED INSURANCE to be treated. A little over 40 years ago, there wasn’t insurance. You didn’t need it! You saw your physician and paid cash! Insurance companies have forced the increase in costs, not innovation, as they proclaim! I have a few Dr. friends, and they have to negotiate a higher rate, just to get what they should after negotiating! Insurance companies claim a 3% profit, yet it’s in the $billions$. Those billions could be put back into the system for new technologies. Get the same care in another country and you pay far less! Talk to a Canadian or Brit, and they’ll tell you Socialized medicine doesn’t work! That’s why they were coming here…until now! Plus, it’s unconstitutional! So, as I’ve read, don’t be confused that the Government is taking over Healthcare! Healthcare has taken over the Government! Now Barry Soetaro can focus on Amnesty, and Cap and Trade!

      • Smilee

        WE DON’T NEED INSURANCE to be treated.

        Where have you been I have known many people who have been refused to see a doctor or turned way unless they can show proof of insurance or cash or credit card. They then go to the emergency room for treatment at five times the cost.

        • Vicki

          So then they do get treated. And you say others cherry pick. You also fail to provide any proof that emergency room health-care is 5x more expensive then “seeing” a doctor.

          • Smilee

            i GUESS YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO A ER LATELY HAVE YOU, IT IS CLOSER TO 6 TIMES THE DOCTORS OFFICE, OFFICE CALL IS ABOUT $125.00 ER WITHOUT DOCTOR FEES AND TESTS IS ABOUT $650.00, WITH THE DOCTORS CHARGE IT IS OVER 6 TIMES, MY INSURANCE PAYS IT AND SEND A COPY OF THE BILL TO ME, I PAY NOTHING. YOU SEEM YOU WOULD PREFER TO PAY FOR ER RATHER THAN DR OFFICE, THIS IS ANOTHER WAY OF MANY WAYS THIS NEW LAW WILL SAVE MONEY

        • MikeC

          It’s called reform, you fool! But, in the meantime, let me pay for yours! I like it when you post! You sound like an idiot and part of the 100 IQ crew!

        • MikeC

          smilee, o.k. let me go a l i t t l e slower for you! Girlfriend is out of work, and pays $250 per month for insurance. She goes to the dermatologist, and has some sun spots removed. She gets the bill, and sees they billed insurance $750. She calls the doctor’s office to see what it would cost if she hadn’t insurance. The doctor replies, $350. Do the math, smilee…let me do it for you!

          $750 (Procedure with insurance)
          $350 (Procedure without Insurance)

          $250 (Girlfriend’s Ins. payment)
          $ 50 (Copay)
          $100 (out of poacket)

          That 3% profit, Big Insurance claims as profit, is in the $Billion$.

          Win/win situation for the Insurance Companies! If you don’t understand this smilee, I’d recommend PBS Kids!

  • kate8

    If that’s what you call “sex” and “profanity”, then no wonder you are not on a lib site. Your eyes would melt off.

    I know for a fact that if GWB had refused to produce any documentation of his birth and educational records, you libs would still be screaming. But Barry Soetoro, with his 16 SS#’s and several
    aliases has spent somewhere around $2 million of our tax money to keep them hidden. This is an outrage, and we who care about this country will NOT move on until he answers this question. He won’t because he can’t without admitting he’s a fraud.

    The way you libs dismiss this is a disgrace. Rupert Murdoch is just another one of the “boys”. The entire media has a blackout on the subject, because if the sheeple don’t see it on the news, they won’t
    give it credence. There is so much evidence that this cover-up is just one more count of high-treason. It is still pending in several courts, and to date has not been heard on its merits. It is all too obvious that the fix is in.

  • JeffH

    YouTube – John Wayne “America Why I Love Her”
    I saw this clip a few years back, it was nice. John Wayne was an American Hero and will alway’s be remembered by Amerian patriots everywhere.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sekHkR5BKOY

    • JeffH

      John Wayne and the Pledge of Allegiance … take a look and listen…It isn’t corny…it was how I was raised and what I believe in…Do you?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jf3MQpffBc&feature=related

      • Joe H.

        JeffHY,
        I’ve seen both and any true American would think they are quite good!!!

        • JeffH

          Every once in awhile I enjoy them.

  • Clement Williams

    Actually I’m not shocked by profanity if that’s what you think. But that kind of low language brings down the whole debate. It has nothing to do with whether someone is a liberal or not. Perhaps you would prefer to live in the comfort zone where everybody agrees with you. That is not the way to real progress.

    There are many cover ups and crooked goings on within the world. But no-one has yet come up with a reasonable alternative that will give everybody access to a doctor.

    The greatest country in the world cannot care for it’s own and that’s a shame. The republican opposition can say that they wanted input, but, they made no attempt to improve the health care system while they were in office.

    It’s really quite simple. Perhaps you would like the government to change – you have the right to express yourself. When you vote that is your right. I’m still waiting for someone to realistically show how to provide insurance for the uninsured.

    President Obama’s Bill is the closest thing yet. Call it what you will, it’s an attempt at changing the barbaric system we have today. If you don’t have proper coverage, you die, and go broke fighting your final disease.

    You might call it socialism – and of course you consider that an insult, I see it simply as a way to give coverage to as many people as possible.

    • JeffH

      President Obama’s Bill is the closest thing yet.
      … Close only counts in Horshoes and hand grenades.

      You might call it socialism
      …that is exactly what it is…socialism

      As to my remark construed as sexual…I think it is quite fitting.

      • Clement Williams

        Your platitudes and military references are humorous but meaningless. Calling people liberals and socialists is not productive. I’m sure on the Liberal blogs You hear the same kind of language about Nazi’s and the right wing.

        None of this is of use.

        Your comment was fitting for a barroom debate.

        Where are the conservatives with constructive ideas?

        • MikeC

          Take a few steps up to your inquiry above. I’ve laid it out. Let me know if you have questions.

        • eyeswideopen

          CLement, here are the links to the conservatives plan for healthcare.
          It is called Ryans Roadmap. ….or map to nowhere..lol
          http://www.cbo.gov.ftpdocs/108xx/doc10851/01-27-Ryan-Roadmap-Letter.pdf

          http://www.startribune.com/opinion/87521992.html

          Only one supporting this plan is the suedo conservative from Fl, Marc Rubio.

          • Joe H.

            Gee Googleeyes,
            One site says can not be displayed. Are you saying this is the only plan the repubs put forth??? If so, I suggest you look up HR956!!! Go ahead googely, look it up!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            jOE, DID YOU READ THAT PLAN??? lmao, lmao, you have got to be kidding me!!!!!

        • Smilee

          conservatives call them RINO’s and they chase them away and leaving behind the conservatives you find posting here

    • JeffH

      I might add, if I had an answer, I’d be running for President rather than worrying about my next SS check or how my Medicare Advantage Plan will be turned into a Medicaid plan.

      • Smilee

        GOD HELP US!!! YOU CAN ONLY GET MEDICAID IF YOU HAVE ALMOST NO MONEY LEFT, YOUR INCOME CAN BE ONLY ABOUT $1200 PER MO, AND ALMOST NO ASSETS, AND THEN MEDICAID SUBSIDES YOUR MEDICARE YOU STILL HAVE TO BE IN MEDICARE. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE IN A ADVANTAGE PLAN, MOST ARE INFERIOR TO A SUPPLEMENT PLAN AND THE GOOD ONES ARE USUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN SUPPLEMENT PLANS, BUT PRICES AND QUALITY OF ADVANTAGE PLANS VARY FROM STATE TO STATE

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          You can’t have any assets!__if you do and turn everything over to medicaid(welfare) they will sell off all your assets and only then will they pay for care___they don’t help you, they will break you first!!!__get the facts chicky!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            ONE MORE TIME, ACOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONESELF AND FAMILY!___WELFARE IS LIKE GIVING A WELL MAN A CRUTCH, LET HIM ON IT LONG ENOUGH, HE’LL BELIEVE HE NEEDS IT!___IT’S MIND CONTROL KIDS, OF THE SUBTLEST KIN!__DISGUISED AS HELP FOR THE NEEDY!__GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

          • Smilee

            You sure can, not a lot but you ARE ALLOWED SOME

    • tedcrawford

      Mabey we can simplify this to better understand the situation we are in. Let’s supose we are unemployed, have spent all our saveings to care for our family. We are now living on our credit cards, we have no near term prospects for employment. Am I being a responsible husband and father if I take in the neighbors? When my credit cards are maxed out, which will obviously be much sooner now, not only are the neighbors out of luck, so is my family! Whatever my intent, I have added to the problem, not helped to relieve it!
      This seems analogous to the current situation, with regards to our economy and this healthcare bill. Whatever our beliefs about healthcare, the timing is the real problem!

      • JeffH

        tedcrawford, correct about the timing and the Health Care Bill is just that, a bill, it does nothing but add a financial burden to every persons cost to survive, except the lazy welfare suckers in the governments race to control your every moment in your life. Government dependency isn’t what I worked 40 years for.
        This bill is no more about providing health care than Obama’s concern for the economic future of this country. His idea of an economic future is collect all the assets in the country, then dole a little out to the beggars and the rest to his handlers.

        • Smilee

          Your right, the bill does not provide health care it provides access to health care, contrary to what many are saying here the government did not take it over which they would have had to do for it to provide health care. a few savings seldom mentioned are no bankruptcy discharges so all that money will now come to the doctors they will no longer be writing the losses off and also paying income taxes on the added income, a very large reduction in emergency room costs and depending on the location but here this loss is paid by the local property tax payers in my area and that will go by the wayside, much more preventive care which will reduce the need for medical care these and many others savings few are talking about and if anyone believes insurance rates will still go up like we have been seeing the past years are wrong, they may go up but at a much lower rate, renumber in group plans they must pay out 85% of what they take in on claims and 80% on individual plans, be a little tricky to raise rates with those restraints. Oh by the way in Canada they pay out 96%. It takes two employees to process claims compared to 900 employees in the US according to a World Focus report and as they will no longer need people to process the denial claims their overhead should be reduced greatly, this has accounted for 20% or more of insurance cost before these changes. Yes there will be savings, just wait and see.

          • JeffH

            Smilee, keep believing…A great majority of Doctors don’t believe…

          • Smilee

            JEFFIE

            IT IS NOT ABOUT BELIEFS IT IS ABOUT FACTS, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MAKE UP YOUR OWN FACTS AND THAT APPLIES TO DOCTOR’S ALSO

          • JeffH

            I don’t deal in you Barbie Doll make believe like you and your delusional O’man worshipping friends do. The facts and only the facts!

  • http://gmail rAINDANCER

    Clem, progressive does mean, think ahead! Turn everything over to the government and tax every one in to working for the government. I have never meet a progressive democrat that beleives in doing something themselves. In local, county, state, and federal government all beleive in more taxes on anything of value, most are wonks that cann’t make a living on their own, and as usual they work either for colleges, or some government agency. Name one socialist democrat progressive that will vote to get rid of a tax on businesses or the citizens,dems just love inspection fees, to squeeze a few more dollars out of the citizens, that go to work and pay their taxes and bills. As for refering to, Oidoit as a legimate citizen, he is of Indonesia registor and as a muslim belief. With the annointed nerd refering to America as a muslim nation, what a false statement, didn’t see them durning the boat ride to Plymoth Rock, didn’t see them durning the Civil War, didn’t see any at the signing of the Constitution, durning WW 11, they sided with Hilter,didn’t see any durning Civil Rights March, they weren’t in the streets, muslims refer to blacks as “pug nosed slaves” even if they are muslims, muslims are still the trafficors of human slaves, and pay high prices for whites. I laugh, when I see the blacks think they ar towel heads and that they are welcomed by open arms, the brothers will be back to the cotton patch if they keep wanting to pray to a pedophile and follow his squearly thoughs or dreams.. I noticed Omuslim, so called belief in Chistanity, must be a little thin, he said just haven’t found a church. Must get together with his old uncle and his bro the good nut job, Freeky Farikan “the nut man”. Another Kenyan appointment, Oidoit made,Eric Holder, who let the Black Panthers off on charges,as they stood in front a voting place with clubs, wonder what would of happened if some skin heads would of stood in front. Of course it is the progressive dream team. Everyone else has to abide by laws unless you are a communist,socialist democrat of questionable linage. Why do Oidoit not put out his records now if he isn’t a fraud and a crook, who has his records sealed for 2085? Another page out of Wilson’s and FDR’s play book. There is still records of FDR that are sealed and haven’t been sanitized by the democrat party for veiwing by the citizens. Oh I forgot it is the progressive way, hid all the trash, and blame Bush!!

  • kate8

    Clem, Clem, Clem. When you can’t address an issue, change the subject.

    Crooked goings on? Reminds me of how one Congressman’s aide put it:
    “Bad form”. This is a bit more than that. This is HIGH TREASON. This
    is usurpation. This is nothing less than a coup by foreign operatives.
    If this is allowed to stand, this Constitutional Republic is no more.

    P.S.
    I don’t know anyone who has died because he couldn’t get healthcare.
    Anyone can get care in America. I have, however, known many, many people who have died getting healthcare. The bigger probem is that
    we have become addicted to a system that (outside of crisis care) offers little in the way of real healing. It is disease management at best.

  • Clement Williams

    Oh Kate – You are changing the subject. This is all about healthcare. You don’t know anyone who died because of lack of healthcare, because thay are dead. Just because you don’t know of them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    I agree with you about the real healing. But once again You have changed the subject.

    Criminal action should be dealt with appropriately and there should not be coverups etc.

    But, nobody still nobody is addressing the issue of healthcare.

    • JeffH

      ” You don’t know anyone who died because of lack of healthcare, because thay are dead.”
      It is nice that you, too, have a sense of humor, but also meaningless.

  • Clement Williams

    It’s True that my comment was meaningless. But the follow up is not. Just because someone does not know of a particular case does not make it true.

    I suspect that most people who oppose the healthcare Bill have good insurance and have never had to deal with a a situation where they were denied care. I’m not saying everybody, just most people.

    That’s why it’s important to hear a voice from another point of view.

    • JeffH

      Clement Williams, with all due respect and seriousness, this Health Care Bill was dead from it’s inception. We need reform. We do not need this government to run 1% of of any plan with their track record, SS, Medicare, the Post Office come to mind. Let the free market work to Americas advantage, don’t make backroom deals with every Tom, Dick and Harry that walks in with a boatload of cash to buy your support. Regulate, but government isn’t good at that, because they because influenced to over-regulate or exclude regulations by the very same groups and people that buy them off.
      Americans are faced with the realities of job losses, less income. A government that wants to grow and grow and spend even more all in the name of saving the economy.
      It is true that Obama was elected by a majority and is the president, but; Article Six says that the Constitution, and the laws and treaties of the United States, are higher than any other laws. It also says that all federal and state officers must swear to “support” the Constitution.
      I don’t believe that this president nor his predecessors have obeyed their oath to their word.
      Jobs, a stable economy and debt reduction are the biggest needs of the paople. Helthcare is important, but I believe can never be achieved without stability in jobs, the economy and government overspending.
      Most important is to create jobs in the private sector, let the free market work to create businesses that can get people back to work which reduces the dependency on government subsidies. Do not increase the size of government to create jobs.
      With that comes an increased tax base, which would help to balance the budget and pay off the debt and stabilize the economy, but not without restrictions on government spending.

      I don’t have all the answers nor do I claim to, but I do realize the damages to this country that are taking place today and have a pretty good reason why.

      • eyeswideopen

        JeffH, I see you mentioned treaties, where was your voice when we threw the Geneva treaty on the ground and stomped on it, with the way we treated prisoners? You conservatives are very confusing. You want to honor the Constitution and treaties, except the treaties you choose not to honor. Strange group you are.

        • JeffH

          Hey big mouth spin doctor, here my voice now…bite me!

          • Smilee

            ANOTHER CHILDISH STATEMENT FROM JEFFIE

          • JeffH

            naner naner naner…ditto head…

        • JeffH

          Oh uninformed one…readit again you idiot, I didn’t mention anything about “treaties” – The Constitution does: Article Six says that the Constitution, and the laws and treaties of the United States, are higher than any other laws. It also says that all federal and state officers must swear to “support” the Constitution..

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, YOU HAVE LOST YOUR MIND,,, YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND READ YOUR OWN POST. ” laws and treaties”.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, Those treaties are part of our laws and our Constitution states we will abide by them. You were the one quoting, not me. Yes, they are to honor the Constitution and the treaties. What part of that don’t you grasp??? You make my point. You don’t want to honor something that you don’t like……When do you think the conservatives will want to suspend the Constitution, soon as they get back in power??? No, I won’t bite you, rabid people don’t taste good. Right winger authoritarians are not tasty.!!!! You are the American Taliban trying to dishonor and destroy our constitution.

          • JeffH

            Big mouth spin doctor, I’ll say it again, I wasn’t talking about treaties but you are. Just the fact that the word “treaties” appeared in the quote from the Constitution I pasted in about the oath presidents make has caused you to decide I was talking about “treaties”. You are such an idiot if you can’t figure it out! I won’t even try to explain it to your delusional and uncomprehending mind again.

          • JeffH

            Idiot…the key phrase here is ” It also says that all federal and state officers must swear to “support” the Constitution.”

          • Smilee

            Jeffie, I THINK SHE CALLED YOUR OUT AN PUT YOU IN YOUR PROPER PLACE

          • JeffH

            Right, I feel the pain of both you idiots, like fingernails across a chalk boared.

          • Vicki

            eyeswideopen (and smilee) you both need to consider remedial reading courses. JeffH was clearly talking about the presidents apparent lack of interest in upholding the Constitution “I don’t believe that this president nor his predecessors have obeyed their oath to their word.:”

            You will note that many words were in JeffH’s post. Treaties was but one. It was included to be complete in his statement about what article 6 says. That you should cherrypick a single word that was not directly relevant to JeffH’s point shows poor reading comprehension or poor debate style or both.

            Since Smilee has complained before that conservatives “cherrypick” we see yet another example of liberals doing what they claim their opponents do.

          • Smilee

            VICKIE

            YOUR STATEMENTS SURE MAKE CLEAR YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION, IF YOU DID YOU WOULD KNOW HE IS FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION AND HIS OATH. CONSERVATIVES ARE ALWAYS SCREAMING THAT HE IS NOT and not once have I heard ANYONE OF THEM SAY SPECIFICALLY HOW HE IS NOT OR WHAT PART HE IS NOT FOLLLOWING, IT IS JUST RHETORIC AND ALL THE DITTO HEADS REPEAT IT, REPEAT IT AND REPEAT IT AND HAVE NOT THE FOGGIEST WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

          • zack

            Smilee you and eyes are both such an idiot that I know you have to have someone to change your diapers quite often. You two get so excited over nothing, and I know you have to $h!t your pants at least 20 times a day.

        • JeffH

          Idiot, I’ll add this part that followed my “quote” : “I don’t believe that this president nor his predecessors have obeyed their oath to their word.”
          What part of that have you missed, whose spinning now fool!

          • Smilee

            THEY HAVE, BUT NO LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THE TRUTH, I’M SURE YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THE TRUTH IF IT BIT YOU

          • JeffH

            Ditto head!

          • Smilee

            NOT NO RUSH WORSHIPER, SORRY

          • JeffH

            You are a closet DITTO HEAD.

        • coal miner

          Eyes,

          Strange group? You mean nuts.When they can’t give you a straight answer,they resort to mindless retorts.

          • zack

            Yea, Like all your comments make any sense HeHeHeHe Oh what a nut you are. You breathed to much methane,and burnt your brain scumbag.

    • Marc

      I have good health insurance and support the Healthcare Bill, flawed as it may be…. at least it is an effort to deal with the issue.

      • tedcrawford

        marc, you can also, occasionally, find a good bisquit in the garbage can. Are we to assume that you have made your reservations at the nearest garbage can for tonight?

        • Smilee

          WOW! DID YOU MAKE THAT STATEMENT OUT OF ANGER OR JUST STUPIDITY

        • JeffH

          tedcrawford, I guess Smilee, the site phychiatrist, has diagnosed your comment to be passive aggressive.

          • Smilee

            IN CASE YOU DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, IT WAS A QUESTION NOT A DIAGNOSIS

          • JeffH

            Right! NOT!

        • coal miner

          Ted,

          That statement makes no sense.

          • zack

            coal miner over your head eh?

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      CLEMET WILLIAMS___REPEAT ONCE AGAIN!____WE HAD MANAGED CARE INSURANCE FOR MY MOTHER 80′S-90′S, IT IS RATIONED CARE, RIGHT DOWN TO THE Q-TIPS!__SHE WAS ELDERLY AND DYING , ,THE DOCTOR WAS AN INSURANCE WHORE, WHO WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT DOING RIGHT BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY, THAN MY MOTHER!__WOULDN’T EVEN GIVE MY MOTHER MORPHINE ON HER DEATH BED TO EASE HER PASSING, WHEN I ASKED____I FOUGHT IT TOOTH AND NAIL, TIL I WAS ALMOST EVICTED FROM HOSPITAL PROPERTY___TWO OF MY MOTHER’S FORMER DOCTORS GAVE HER THE MORPHINE ORDER, STATING THEY WOULD DEAL WITH THE BASTARD DOCTOR LATER!___ TWO HOURS LATER SHE WAS DEAD!___THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL FACE WITH THE ELDERLY!__IF YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT GONNA CHANGE THIS YOUR SADLY MISTAKEN. __SO YOU ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE ARE DYING OUT IN STREETS WITHOUT INSURANCE___LET ME TELL YA SOMETHING FRIEND, THEY DIE WITH INSURANCE AS WELL,_______WHETHER PAYING MONTHLY PREMIUMS OR GETTING HEALTHCARE FOR FREE, NO ONE IS GONNA FIGHT THE FIGHT FOR YOU__IT’S YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILTY TO FOLLOW UP AND STAY IN IT TIL THE END!___GROW A SET AND GROW THE HELL UP PEOPLE!!!____NOTHING IS FREE!

      • Smilee

        WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE MANAGED CARE? WHY NOT MEDICARE? SINCE I LEFT MANGED CARE AND WENT ON MEDICARE THAT NO LONGER HAPPENS TO ME, GEE AND THAT IS THE GOVERNMENT PLAN, YOU SUPPOSE YOU COULD BE WRONG ABOUT GOVERNMENT PLANS. MY EXPERIENCE TELLS ME YOU ARE

        • Joe H.

          Smelly,
          I hate to inform you, but medicare IS managed care, don’t be fooled!! My mother was on it before she died and they told the nursing home that at 97 years old that they were not to make any real efforts to recessitate her! I only agreed with them as that was what my mother had instructed me before she came down with altzhimers!! There was no DNR on her so it was up to medicare. hope your family doesn’t ever have to consider that with you, it’s not an easy thing to deal with!!!

          • Smilee

            SOMEONE SURE PULLED THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES, MEDICARE IS NOT MANAGED CARE, THE NEW MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLANS ARE BUT HAVE ONLY BEEN A PART OF MEDICARE SINCE 2004, REGULAR MEDICARE SINCE 1965. AGAIN YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IF ACT YOU DO NOT. I HAVE BEEN IN BOTH AN ADVANTAGE PLAN, DROPPED IT AND WENT TO REGULAR MEDICARE AND A MEDIGAP SUPPLEMENT PLAN AND MEDICARE NEVER GETS INVOLVED IN MY CARE OTHER THAN TO PAY THE BILL. IF SOMEONE TOLD YOU THAT THEY TOLD YOU WRONG AND ACCORDING TO YOU, YOU BELIEVED IT, AGAIN DEMONSTRATING YOU IGNORANCE.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JOeH, I’m sorry to say that the only way for people to understand the ins and outs of medicare, insurances, It is when they are confronted with the situation themselves and the truth becomes reality. TALK IS CHEAP!__Most of the Liberal SPIN, about the way insurances work, is an opinion, and not what actually does happen. I worked in the medical field and know quite enough to be dangerous about it. Your right Joe, but it’s MOST all insurances are managed in some form, some are more strict than others. The new reality is, if your adding 30 million more people to an already stressed and practically bankrupt Medicaid system, you can rest assured, they are going to ration everything. Doctors and medical staff are already stressed. They are going to analyze your situation across the board, and only give you what YOU what THEY, think you need. BOTTOM LINE IS, IF THE CARE YOU WANT FOR A DYING LOVED ONE ISN’T IN THE FINE PRINT OF SAID INSURANCE COMPANY or Washington bureaucrats, YOUR EITHER GOING TO PROVIDE The CARE YOURSELF OR PAY SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT___ THESE LIBS CAN GET INTO A PISSIN’ MATCH IF THEY WANNA, BUT SOME OF US HAVE ALREADY BEEN “THERE DONE THAT”__PERSONALLY I BURIED ALL MY GRANDPARENTS, MY PARENTS AND MY BROTHER

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            SMILLEE__MS KNOW IT ALL___MY FATHER HAD 100 DAYS OF PAID CARE IN A NURSING HOME AFTER THAT –HE WAS LIABLE AFTER THAT___IF THATS NOT MANAGED, THEN YOU MY DEAR HAVE NO FRIGGIN IDEA OF WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT__HAVING IT AND USING IT IS TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS__JUST LIKE ALL YOUR LIBERAL SPIN, INSURANCE COMPANIES, CAN TWIST THE RULES TO SUIT THEM TOO__REMEMBER THAT __EINSTEIN!!!__SO,IF YOU THINK YOUR RIGHT__THEN NOTHING SAY WILL CHANGE YOUR MIND__AGRUE WITH SOMEONE ELSE!!!!__I’VE SAID ALL I’M GONNA SAY

          • Smilee

            I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, YOU ARE DESCRIBING COVERED AND NON COVERED EXPENSES AND THAT IS TRUE OF ALL INSURANCES AND IS APPLIED THE SAME TO ALL INSURED IN THAT PLAN. MANAGED CARE IS QUITE DIFFERENT AS IT LOOKS AT YOUR INDIVIDUAL CASE AND MAKES DECISIONS FOR YOU AND CAN DENY COVERAGE ON THAT BASIS, ALSO MOST MANAGED CARE IS REGULATED BY ERISA AND IT HAS VERY FEW RULES. IN REGULAR INSURANCE IF ITS A COVERED EXPENSE THEY HAVE TO PAY IT AND THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE WITH MANAGED CARE. YOU EITHER DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES OR YOU ARE BEING PLAYING SILLY GAMES, JOE HAS PROVED MANY TIMES HE HAS NO UNDERSTANDING WHAT SO EVER ABOUT THESE THINGS ALTHOUGH HE WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE HE DOES THOSE OF US WHO DO KNOW ARE NOT TAKEN IN BY HIS BS

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        she was on medicare too__THANK YOU!__and don’t tell me I’m wrong__WERE YOU THERE?

        • Smilee

          MEDICARE IS THE SAME FOR EVERYONE, DO NOT HAVE BE THERE TO KNOW THAT

    • Kgharts

      Clem: Get a taste of reality instead of the koolaid. I do not have great insurance, yet I am not for this bill. We need reform, not redo. or government dictates.

      There are great points to our existing system. It needs tweeking however. Its run by a missmash of government regulation and heavy-handed restrictions that don’t address the problems. If the government got out of it, it would run better. Allowing competition makes for a better product. Everyone knows that, including the power hungry marxists-socialists. Plus no one goes without medical aid in this country. Look at all the illegals closing down hospitals for all the free medical care they get. Even a charity org. has to pay its rent! Get real.

  • kate8

    Clem, this healthcare issue has been going on non-stop. The fact is,
    forcing people to subscribe to something they do not want is NOT HOW
    THINGS ARE DONE IN AMERICA. So, all the debate means nothing.

    The answer you libs want is to “fundamentally change America”. But this is still not okay with most of us, so don’t expect us to ever
    give in. We do not go along with healthcare as a “right”. I don’t want a “right” to it, because the way we approach health and healthcare is highly subjective, and none of the government’s business.

    Before the advent of rampant medical lawsuits, I took my kids to see the doctor for $7 per visit. My husband spent a week in the hospital with a concussion. $300. Healthcare without the attorneys. What a concept. Didn’t need insurance.

    Let’s find a way to go back to affordable healthcare. Malpractice?
    Stuff happens. How about “see a doctor at your own risk”. Malpractice
    has not reduced the number of deaths by “healthcare.” Doctors are not gods. They sometimes make mistakes. HMOs and government have reduced the quality of medical care, because doctors are more concerned about adhering to regulations, following standard proceedures, than they are about the well being of the patient.

    This is all backwards, and is headed for destruction.

    • MikeC

      Kate8, you’re right about everything, except Malpractice? Accidents do happen. However, leaving sponges, scalpels, and etc, in the body…giving the wrong perscriptions…taking out the wrong kidney…is inexcusable! Have you ever lost anyone on the table! It’s only a small part of the costs, anyway. Look into it! But, I agree with the rest!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        MikeC___ yes we did lose a loved one, my Grandfather, he went in for gallbladder removel, the doctor knicked his liver, hemmoraged internally, they went back into repair it and he died on the table 1978___we didn’t sue, ya know why__because the doctor cried just as bad as we did__shit does happen!__accidents do happened!!! you have to know the difference between malpratice and accidents!_Doctors are not gods!!___I know the difference!__ lived through a lousy doctor too with another family member!____these frivolous law suits are nothing more than a hysterical society, that’s freaking hysterical over everything, and waits to be led around by the nose and told what’s the right thing to do!!!

    • Smilee

      KATE, YOU GET MEDICARE A, PAID OUT OF YOUR TAXES WHEN YOU TURN 65 WEATHER YOU WANT IT OR NOT, MEDICARE B AT THE GOING RATE IF YOU TAKE IT AT AGE 65 UNLESS YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR DEFERMENT WHICH YOU MUST APPLY FOR OR IT IS AUTOMATIC AND IF YOU DO NOT TAKE IT WHEN YOU ARE ELIGIBLE, AND YOU TAKE IT AT A LATER DATE YOU WILL PAY A PENALTY, THE LONGER YOU WAIT THE GREATER THE PENALTY. THE SAME IS TRUE FOR MEDICARE D WHICH THE REPUBLICANS PASSED IN 2003 AND BUSH SIGNED INTO LAW. AT ANY AGE IF YOU SUFFER FROM RENO DISEASE YOU ARE FULLY COVERED AND HAVE NO CHOICE EITHER. NOW TELL ME JUST HOW MUCH DIFFERENT ATE THESE MANDATES FROM THESE NEW ONES, REMEMBER MEDICARE A & B HAVE BEEN LAW FOR 50 YEARS AND MEDICARE C & D SINCE 2003 FOR 7 YEARS. THERE REALLY IS NONE AND YOU WILL HAVE TO BUY THESE AS WELL AS THOSE ON MEDICARE HAVE FOR YEARS

    • Vicki

      The problem with health care as a “right”.

      Health care is provided by people. To make it a “right” means making slaves of people to provide that “right”

      • Smilee

        ARE YOU REALLY SO IGNORANT YOU BELIEVE THAT?? CONGRESS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION CAN MAKE IT A RIGHT IF THEY WANT BUT ARE NOT REQUIRED TO AND THEY HAVE DONE THIS FOR SENIORS IN 1965 AND NOW FOR THE REST, THE CONSTITUTION IN ITS PREAMBLE AND ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 GIVES CONGRESS THAT POWER, CONSERVATIVE WILL TRY TO TELL YOU DIFFERENT BUT THEY ARE WRONG AND THEIR FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS WILL ESTABLISH THAT AND THEIR LAWYERS KNOW IT BUT WILL MAKE A BUNDLE OFF IT AND PROBABLY SOME POLITICAL HAY OFF IT UNTIL THE DECISIONS COME DOWN.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Smilee___are you paid to liberal spin, or do ya just do it out of the goodness of your heart, like a good little democrat!?

          • Smilee

            THE GOODNESS OF MY HEART SWEETIE, NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE JUST BEING HONEST ABOUT IT

        • Vicki

          Smilee: I strongly suggest history or reading comprehension classes for you. There is NO PLACE in the Constitution that gives the congress the power to grant a right. The 2 places you mentioned do not give the power to grant a right either.

          The preamble:
          We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
          http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/preamble/

          Article 1 section 8 (too long to post in here but nothing there about the power to grant rights.)
          http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

          • Smilee

            IT GIVES CONGRESS THE POWER TO MAKE LAWS TO PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE AND TO LAY TAXES TO PAY FOR IT. I CAN NOT HELP YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT FACT AND THAT DOES NOT TAKE THIS POWER AWAY FROM THE CONGRESS

          • Vicki

            if you were to actually read the Constitution you would notice that there are quite a few strict limits on what laws Congress is allowed to pass. That you do not understand the concept of limits is exactly why you are confused about what powers the Congress has.

    • Clement Williams

      From your last post. I agree with a lot of what you say about the medical system. But, You say that “libs want to fundamentally change America” But it sound like that is what you would like to do.

      You would like a complete change in the legal system it seems.

      It’s great that you can know what Americans want. And that you know ‘how things are done’ in America. I do not presume such things. I simply believe in moving in the right direction instead of harking back to when a doctor’s visit was seven dollars.

  • BonnieMW

    Remember Tax Day Demonstrations in almost every town in the US
    April 15th. Look up where the closest one to you is and go and show you disapproval of how our govenment is being run. Everyone must show up.

  • I’m G. Soros

    The Coffee Party USA site under Donations leads you to Democracy in Action who takes in all the donations for this leftist radical organization. On Democracy in Action’s about page, at the bottom (last paragraph) is proof that they are Astroturf, a front for George Soros.
    Democracyinaction.org: About us

    “Financing
    DemocracyInAction is funded by a mixture of service fees from the organizations using our tools, private grants, and individual donations. You can become a DemocracyInAction donor here.

    Many thanks to our foundation grantors, the Surdna Foundation and the Open Society Institute, for their support.”

  • http://aol Don

    Chip, how can the top 5% pay over 100% of the taxes? Impossible to do. Read business magazines. A lot of these guys don’t pay taxes. On paper they pay a lot. In reality, they don’t. How come the rich, the very rich never complains about paying taxes. The middle class has them as sacred cows and try to protect their millions and billions. The 20 or so I heard from try to tell the rest of us to stop worrying about them. They don’t make business decision on taxes unlike the middle class.

    • JeffH

      Don, you’ve confused me with the “how can the top 5% pay over 100% of the taxes?”

      This is what I thought Chip said, can’t find any “over 100%” anywhere I read.
      ■For the top 5 percent, the percentage is even higher. The 7.1 million taxpayers who fit this description pay 60.63 percent of all Federal income taxes.

      • Smilee

        PROPORTIONATELY, THE TOP 5% PAY FAR LESS INCOME TAXES., REMEMBER WARREN BUFFET (AN MANY OTHERS) SAYING HIS SECRETARY PAID A MUCH HIGHER SHARE THAN HE WAS REQUIRED TO PAY WITH A FRACTION OF HIS INCOME. PROPORTIONATE COMPARISONS ARE THE ONLY HONEST AND ACCURATE WAY TO COMPARE ONES TAXES AGAINST ANOTHER. CHIP’S COMPARISONS TOTALLY DISTORTS THIS AS HE IS COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES WHICH IS MOST ALWAYS TYPICAL OF RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS WAY OF COMPARING THEM TODAY

        • JeffH

          MOST ALWAYS TYPICAL OF RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS WAY OF COMPARING THEM TODAY…spinnin’ like a top…wheeeee

    • eyeswideopen

      Don, that is what they are “supposed to pay”, not what they actually pay. 2/3 of the corporations don’t pay any taxes at all. Most of the wealthy who have capital gains don’t pay anything either. But they will exact a pound of flesh from the poor working stiff who only makes 33k and expect him to be happy.

      • JeffH

        Big mouth spin doctor, you’re talking out you azz again about your 2/3rds constant rant.
        Read this and try to COMPREHEND WHAT YOU READ! Do Corporations Really Pay No Taxes?
        Government Accountability Office study released last week, which reported that two-thirds of American corporations paid no taxes in 2005—including a quarter of big businesses.
        The report, commissioned by several labor-friendly Democratic Senators who pretty much knew based on previous studies what it would say, sparked a lot of manufactured outrage in political circles and produced a series of misleading stories, like one by the Associated Press that ran in dozens of newspapers under sensationalistic headlines like “Corporations Pay No Taxes.”

        http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/08/do_corporations_really_pay_no.html

      • Vicki

        If they truly paid less then they were supposed to pay then the IRS would be on them like “white on rice”

        Now as to corporations. No corporation has EVER paid tax. (Sounds right wing extreme doesn’t it :) Corporations take in money and pay out money. They take in money from their customers (that would be consumers in most cases) One of the places they pay out money is to government. Since they do not create money they can only pay out money they have taken in. The ONLY source of money coming in to most corporations is from the consumer. Thus you see it is the consumer who pays the taxes. Corporations merely pass on any taxes to the consumer thru higher prices.

        One of the neat tricks government can use to social engineer is to decide which corporations will pay more or less tax. Those who pay less tax will be more likely to sell their product cheaper thus be able to continue to bring money in from the consumer.

        We will be seeing a lot of examples in the energy industry with the government push for “green” jobs and “green” energy.

  • JackH

    Oh boo hoo, poor Chip its so sad that he might have to pay a little more in taxes maybe as much as a couple of thousand dollars more if he makes a million dollars.

    Its amazing how many of you fall for the crap peddled to you. The Chips of the world play you guys like suckers and you fall for it.

    Don’t you get it that he only pays taxes at the rate of 15% on his dividends and capital gains while you pay 30% on your wages. One thing is for sure you are working 40 or more hours for your income while and he is bascially doing nothing for his now(it doesn’t matter what he did years ago). On $50,000.00 of taxable income you pay $15,000.00 in income taxes while he pays only $7,500.00.

    I know everyone hopes to get rich some day but few make it. Quit being dopes in hopes that you will be one of the few. Even if you get lucky and make it, you will still have plenty even if you are paying a little more in taxes.

    • Joe H.

      JackH,
      It’s real easy to spend money, especially when it’s somebody elses!!! Why don’t you worry about how much you waste and don’t worry about anybody else. don’t be so jealous!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        JoeH, he isn’t jealous, actually he is looking out for people like you and JeffH, who is on disability and medicare. Jeff is probably considered poor as you can’t have any assets or signifigant income and be on disability. Jack is only trying to make sure he gets the max amount allowed on that socialist program. You have stated you aren’t rich, so Jack is looking out for you too.

        • JeffH

          Big mouth spin doctor, you want to make this very personal…you got it. Neither your husband or son could stand you, that I am sure of , because you could never shut your measly trap long enough for them to get a word in. They abandoned you like the redheaded step child you are because you Can’t Understand Normal Thinking…just underline the capital of whatever you like. I’m doing quite well and yes, I do have assets…

        • JeffH

          Big mouth spin doctor…you’re ignorant enough to believe your own words. Disability is disability, you can have $100,000,000.00 and a Mansion on the hill and still get Medicare and Social Security. You pay into it, you get to collect it. You’ve got your welfare mind confused again.

          • Smilee

            I BELIEVE YOU MUST BE ADDRESSING YOURSELF HERE AS SHE MADE NO MENTION OF ANYONE’S INCOME, WHY IS IT YOU HAVE SUCH A HUGH PROBLEM WITH STAYING ON SUBJECT AND KEEP GOING OFF ON A TANGENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT BEING ADDRESSED, AND YOUR ALWAYS DOING THAT

          • JeffH

            Just like Big Mouth, Smilee has a hard time comprehending whole sentances …all you have to do is read and comprehend…it’s that easy…fool!

        • JeffH

          OH YOO HOO Smileee…Big mouth says: “Jeff is probably considered poor as you can’t have any assets or signifigant income and be on disability”
          Want to take another stab at it and try to get it right?

        • Joe H.

          googelyeyes,
          I’m not on disability or medicare, either one!!!! See that’s what you get for trying to use that empty head of yours for something more than something to keep your ears apart!!!

        • Smilee

          EYES

          THERE IS NO LIMIT ON ASSETS UNLESS YOU ARE ON SSDI WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM SSD, YOU ARE LIMITED AS TO MONTHLY INCOME ON BOTH, I THINK YOU CAN MAKE ABOUT $850.00 PER MONTH NOW. PEOPLE WHO HAVE PAID IN FOR 40 QUARTERS ARE ENTITLED TO SSD AND RECEIVE THE MAXIMUM SS THEY WOULD RECEIVE AT THE MAXIMUM RETIREMENT AGE, i THINK IT IS 66 YRS OLD NOW, SSDI IS A SET AMOUNT FOR ALL SOME WHERE CLOSE TO $700 PER MONTH NOW. I WAS ON SSD FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY SWITCHED ME FROM SS DISABILITY TO RETIREMENT SS, THE AMOUNT I RECEIVED DID NOT CHANGE BUT SINCE THEN IF I WANT I CAN MAKE ANY AMOUNT WITHOUT ANY REDUCTION IN SS, BEFORE THAT TIME I COULD NOT, I THINK I WAS LIMITED TO $830.00 AT THAT TIME.

    • JeffH

      JackH, Sorry, I didn’t know you were Chip’s Tax Man!
      Actually, you liberal schills are being played for the fools by the very ones you defend. It must be nice to know your paying these socialists, if you even work, and they’re using you to promote their propaganda. Kind of a win win proposition for them.

    • http://avengingarmadillo@blogspot.com wm ridenour

      Dear JackH, Finally, on the cusp of old age I am beginning to make a better than average income after DECADES of struggle. I worked in cold, insect infested basements with poor lighting and sick half the time, with no pay, learning and mastering the things that would finally give me some success and enable me to care for my family. I took no welfare, no unemployment, nor did I whine about things being “unfair.”
      Now some nit-wit who has worked all his life for “the man”, some dullard who had punched in and punched out all his life, sucking a living wage off some employer, hiding behind a union and living off the largess of Federal Government, looks at me and says, “Look at him. HE can pay more. Look at what his company is making. He’s a fat cat. Let’s take his money and fund our needs and desires. After all, shouldn’t he pay his fair share?”
      Morons. Leeches. How many thousands, yes thousands, of hours did you work for $0.00 to learn and master the unique skills you needed that would really benefit others and, consequently, benefit you and your family as well? People who have never done anything but suck off the system, parasites who are little more than slaves on Uncle Sam’s plantations or institutional insects hate and bite the very hands that feeds them when they resent others who had the courage to struggle, to learn, to pioneer, to serve and to create the very companies they depend upon to give them salaries and feed, clothe and shelter their families. I and a LOT of others paid, and paid and paid and paid. Ignorant insects who feed off the system have no idea what it takes to succeed, especially when one comes from nothing, with no money, with no network of friends or supporters or influential friends. Until they learn they should keep their ignorant mouths SHUT!

      • tedcrawford

        I know what you are talking about! I’ve challenged the odds you’ve beaten three times, with only very limited success. Drove my net worth to nearly zero! Was rebuilding when this mess hit, lost most of my small gains. Now my only hope is that we can beat the agenda of this administration! If we don’t, only the ultra-wealthy and well connected will be able to start a business! Congrats on you success, and lets redouble our efforts to remove this administration!

        • Smilee

          BOTH YOUR DESCRIPTIONS ABOUT YOURSELVES SURE SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE BOTH SORE AND ANGRY LOSERS PRETENDING YOU ARE NOT.

          • JeffH

            Talk about angry…get some therapy before you have a break down.

  • BonnieMW

    I think the confusion is how he is stating it mostly. It is because the top 1% is inclusive with the top 5% and so on but it still seems the figures are very confusing and I am not sure they add up but I get the idea most of the people making the big money are paying the high taxes already. I personally think that is how it should be. I don’t even mind paying as much money in taxes as I do except I don’t think I get what I pay for. In Eugene during the peak of the economy and a lot of taxes were being paid in. They cut the Narcotics division and announced it on TV and RADIO saying they could not afford it. Statistics say 80% of crime is from drug abuse unless
    it is white collar. I lost all faith in any decisions our elected officials make. That was real fiscal responsibility.

  • BonnieMW

    I totally understand all the anger and profanity but it is not appealing and you lose your influence on your readers. I personally can say I have more real reason than most to be angry with the present Presidential Administration for many of its decisions and I will admit I voted for Obama. I thought we had reached our peak of corruption but I have never seen anything like it. I just joined the tea party organization and I am ready to become a political activist against anyone in office especially when they give more power to the IRS.

    • ’53 Korean Vet

      BonnieMW– I’m in an awkward position-! After I grew up as a young adult, on 4 separate & isolated occasions, I’m guilty of having saved 4 separate persons’ lives by the time I was 36-! And my problem is this–I don’t know if I ‘Saved’ 3 Democrats & one Republican or vice versa!! Mainly at that time, I didn’t think to ask them-! But when each event had happened, I was glad–to just be handy, and to have things work-out for the Best-! True, I’ve no medals, & media-stories, but at that time, I didn’t believe I deserved any! But it does bother me now–because “Was I supposed to ‘Hate’ somebody-!?” I thought at those times–that I had done the right things-!

  • http://mog7@cox.net Muriel P. Goyette

    With States suing, doctors suing and threatening to leave the medical
    profession and even the country, with the Speaker of the house sounding like a gunmoll tough “the bill will be parachuted to Americans” (whether the citizens of USA LIKE IT OR NOT?) Sounds like the glove has been tossed. Until these suits are settled, I hardly think one can assume (you do know what assume does, Speaker?)that
    obamacare is a done deal. What happened in Massachusetts could happen in San Francisco…..is San Francisco settling for Socialism, and
    ditching the Constitution? That bill destroys America and the very basis it was built on. Before the country follows the mystery man off the cliff, let’s find out about the validity of his credentials. If that first family does not look revengeful, then I don’t know the meaning of the word.

  • kate8

    People are waking up. Hallelujah!

    • Smilee

      ONCE THEY ARE FULLY AWAKE AND SEE THE BILL FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS, MY GUESS THEY WILL LIKE IT, READING HERE GIVES ONE A GIANT DISTORTION OF WHAT IS REALLY IN THE BILL. IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN BUT IT MAKES A LOT OF NEEDED AND DESIRED CHANGES PEOPLE WILL COME TO LIKE. SO MANY AS YET ARE RESPONDING TO THE SOUND BITES AND SPIN AND NOT TO THE REALITY OF THE BILL AND THE TWO ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

  • http://gmail i41

    Eyeswideopen, the Geneva convention only cover enemies in uniform, I think it is 4th article,where it lays out the description who is intitled to Geneva rights, not some free lance terrorist. As usual all anal dems that spout this BS, either have never read the article or just plain don’t understand their idiotic blather. I know Omoron and his loony democrat party slubs think that you can just talk and get understanding from pedephile muslim group and just plain dictators, in to being civilized. Ask some vets that have fought with the freaks that want to kill us, because we don’t want to live under some uneducated, unbathed, dog dung breath, woman hating zero. If you call a diaper wrapped head loon, to be in a uniform, well it sounds like a liberal tail spin logic. Why did the unions and Congress get such a exempt status on having to follow the healthcare bill? Also why doe the IRS become the enforcment arm for the democrat bill? If they are so damn fair, why didn’t they catch Daschle, Rangel, Dodd, Geithner and the other democrat crooks. They probably would never paid their taxes if they hadn’t been appointed for a position or caught. Their fines for not paying, were not what the citizens pay if behind or not paying their taxes for several years, it usually brings jail time… Besides I wonder if Omoron ever paid back taxes on all his drug sales, or if was he granted a pass since he was a foreign student, just screwing the system, or was it afferamative action group, also as advisor for Acorn, what if any taxes did he ever pay?

    • JeffH

      Don’t expect a response!

    • eyeswideopen

      i41, I hunted to find the easiest article, which showed you that the Supreme Court ruled against Bush and COngress, and also gave the article of the Geneva Treaty at the same time.

      You make assumptions, based on what you want to be the facts. But dude, you are clueless when it comes to this treaty.
      http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_rules_in_handans_favor/
      All your other rantings and ravings make no sense, so I leave you with the correct facts on this subject.

      • JeffH

        As usual, a path to nowhere…

        • Joe H.

          JeffH,
          Agreed! A full half of her PROOF comes up a blank page!!!!!!

          • JeffH

            kinda like her stare I’d say…blank…

    • Smilee

      YOU ARE ONE ANGRY PERSON, ANGRY PERSONS DO NOT THINK STRAIGHT, WHY NOT GET RID OF THE ANGER AND COME BACK LATER AND TRY IT AGAIN. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL MAKE MORE SENSE THEN.

      • JeffH

        Why are you yelling so loud…must hate me, HUH?

        • Smilee

          NO JEFFIE I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AS YOU ARE SO OUT OF TOUCH WITH OUR REALITIES

          • Joe H.

            JeffH,
            Smelly just told it for you and I quote “OUR REALITIES” not just reality but “OUR REALITIES”!!!!!!!!!! If you don’t think like him and eyes you aren’t thinkng in their reality!!!!

          • JeffH

            Joe H., as they say, the proof is in the pudding. We know their game better than they do now, that’s all that matters…yada yada yada…you know what I mean.

          • MikeC

            Does smilee use UPPER case letters only, because she doesn’t know where to put the capitals! A product of our public school system, no doubt!

          • Smilee

            MikeC says:
            April 5, 2010 at 2:05 pm
            Does smilee use UPPER case letters only, because she doesn’t know where to put the capitals! A product of our public school system, no doubt!

            mickie, never told anyone here my gender, you do not know and that applies to the rest of your post a well, shows no knowledge about anything. give it to mickie he will eat anything

          • MikeC

            smilee, All you do is chase JeffH’s arse. So, either you’re a woman or like men! I can take that to the bank! However, I’ll give you the benefit!

  • kate8

    How do we know these tax-evading “democrat cooks” ever did pay the
    taxes they owed? We don’t. My guess is, they didn’t. The elite believe themselves exempt from the laws they impose on us plebs.

    Remember when they threw the granny in the slammer because she owed
    $32 in back taxes?

    Have we had enough yet?

    • tedcrawford

      It’s very easy to understand why the democrats don’t feel the need to pay their taxes, if we remember the harry reid interview in which he stated that income tax was a “voluntary tax”! They volunteer you and I instead of themselves!

    • Smilee

      YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN CROOKS, YOU SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE

  • Norman

    Henry Paulson received an exemption an paid no taxes on 3+ million shares of Goldman Sachs stock. The ole double standard.

  • Wanda

    Anyone with only half a brain should of known better than to vote for this man. The church he went to for twenty years, preaching hate and the minister saying God damn america was enought for me.As for him supposing to be a good speaker I disagree.He may be good with the words but the fact he sounds like he’s talking through his nose ruins anything good about his speaking. We need to hold the people who voted for him responsible.

    • Palin12

      I can’t stand watching Obummer either! Have you ever noticed he never looks straight at the camera? He’s always twitchin his head from the left teleprompter screen to the right teleprompter screen and back. Some impersonators are bound to pick up on this mannerism.

  • Norm
  • Norm
  • Norman

    Norm, Do you remember Bush saying the Iraqi war would pay for itself. Could the revaluation of the Iraq dinar be the saving grace for this nation. It is my understanding the US holds billions of these dinars. I predict a revaluation just prior to election time in the US. You think? The US is in control over there. Tax revenues will be up, The economy will be robust. All in time for the elections. Troops will be headed home, etc. It’s all a staged play.

  • JeffH

    March 24, 2010
    Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
    The Senate health care bill just signed contains some exemptions to the “pay-or-play” mandate requiring purchase of Obamacare-approved health insurance or payment of a penalty fine.

    So while most Americans would be required to sign up with insurance companies or government insurance plans, the church would serve as something of an informal insurance plan for the Amish.

    Law experts say that kind of exemption withstands scrutiny.
    Steve Gilbert of Sweetness & Light calls our attention to the probability that Muslims will also be expempt. According to a March 23 publication on an authoritative Islamic Web site managed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, various fatwas (religious decrees) absolutely forbid Muslim participation in any sort of health care or other risk insurance:

    Health insurance is haraam like other types of commercial insurance, because it is based on ambiguity, gambling and riba (usury). This is what is stated in fatwas by the senior scholars.

    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (15/251):

    Firstly: Commercial insurance of all types is haraam because it involves ambiguity, riba, uncertainty, gambling and consuming people’s wealth unlawfully, and other shar’i

    Secondly: It is not permissible for the Muslim to get involved with insurance companies by working in administration or otherwise, because working in them comes under the heading of cooperating in sin and transgression, and Allaah forbids that as He says: “but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment”

    It is not made clear whether or not it is religiously okay to accept “free” non-insured medical care such as that offered in hospital ERs and to some who are covered by Medicaid.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html

  • kate8

    Are Muslims exempted in the UK and Canada?

  • kate8

    Maybe it’s time we all expatriate on a mass scale. There is a way to do it without having to leave the country.

  • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

    Garret Wood has posted another canard. It is appropriate, I suppose, since he would have been working on it in anticipation of April Fools Day.

    Senator Ben Nelson D-Nebraska supported the Affordable Health Care For America Act, then he didn’t, then he did, then he didn’t. He did that same flip-flopping with the Reconciliaton Act. Voters on both sides of the Affordable Health Care For America Act don’t appreciate his situation comedy attempt to imitate a fish dying in the bottom of the fising boat. It is likely voters will remember Benson’s hysterics come his next election. It is hard to understand Senate Majority Harry Reid’s restraint with allowing Benson a bye on supporting the Affordable Health Care For America Act.

    The “Cornhusker Kickback” was a valid proposal by Benson. It should have been included for all 50 States in the original Senate health care reform that passed in December 2009 out of Senator Max Baucus’ D-Montana Senate Finance Committee. As the Affordable Health Care For America Act goal of expanding existing health care, the Medicaid program has now finally been expanded to cover the costs for Medicaid of the low income groups on an equal basis throughout the country, not just Nebraska.

    The main muscle of the Affordable Health Care For America Act will expand Medicaid coverage by changing the rules of income levels and asset amounts. And it will increase reimbursement from the current state-by-state program coverage disparities to a equal system that does not encourage people to move to those states with “more generous” Medicaid benefits, as if that were really such a problem as has been claimed in the past. The current Federal share of these program is 50% and will increase to 75% in 2014 and 93% in 2020 relieving states from that financial burden.

    Senator Ben Nelson is a Democrat from a conservative state. That conservative nature comes from many hard working farmers risking a lot of finanacial resources annually on making their farming operations break even or even pay back a bit on investments. Just like Garret Wood, and a lot of other Americans who try to work smart and not just hard, like Garret in his memories, the Nebraskans thought it was “smart” of Senator Nelson to gain a $100 million subsidy for Medicaid in Nebraska as a reported award for his vote on that original Senate Bill out of Max Baucus’ Finance Committee. The required analysis would be what percentage share of the entire Federal Income tax amounts collected annually is from Nebraskans versus the total population of the state and other Federal funds returned to that State for other programs like farm subsidies, etc. My guess is, either way Nebraskans will have a net benefit from the Affordable Health Care For America Act.

    When Benson found that his “Cornhusker Kickback” was expanded to cover all the other states as a matter of universal fairness, and getting all the criticism for having negotiated the “Cornhusker Kickback”, as a “Blue Dog” (damned near Republican) Democrat, he started flopping like a fish out of water trying to find some air of support from either his conservative Nebraskan voters or his moderate Nebraskan voters. Good luck on that!

    Then, Garret takes off on a war story about working 80-90 hour weeks trying to get his bar-coding business off the ground for the payback he got when he sold that business to go to work for his dad. While most Americans have worked or are now working long and hard hours either in their own business to make it a success, for a better paycheck at reduced salaries at 2 jobs to make ends meet or working while going to school to make that a success, Garret is nowhere near unique in that effort. Fortunately for him, he was young, healthy and did not have an accident that would have reduced him to immediatley going to work for his dad.

    Garret then slides into an attack on the Affordable Health Care For America Act by a ramble rant canard about the American tax system by saying, “The powers that be decided to cover the costs by slapping a new tax on well-off Americans.” If we are talking about the middle class most strongly represented by unions, “Cadillac Plans” will have a percentage tax applied to them. It is expected that they in conjunction with their employers will reduce those “Cadillac Plans” to lower cost group insurance and that difference potentially rewarded back to the Union in higher wages while also reducing employer costs which could then be used to grow the business and/or grow more jobs.

    But, if we go directly at Garret’s humorous canard of an unfair tax system for the rich with a confusing and mistake filled reference to a “Marxist misnaming of my ‘unearned’ income’” (like CD interest, dividends, etc that is income only when it is taken out of that account becoming part of Adjusted Gross Income, AGI). The humor further rolls with Garret’s reference to progressive tax = “Communist Manifesto” and richest Americans “’paying their fair share’” = “Big Lies.”

    Actually, that last really is a Big Lie, but not as Garret would canard as into thinking. When one considers Social Security (aka, “payroll”) taxes, things suddenly flatten out. Indeed, the tax burden becomes curvilinear, with “the 5,000 richest people in the country” paying less than those making $100,000. Further, if one includes excise taxes, state income taxes, sales taxes, or property taxes, the system is flatter yet, with those in the top and bottom quintile actually paying a slightly higher share of their incomes than those in the middle.
    Let consider the heart of Garret’s argument and why if fails based on analysis of the numbers. Garret says:
    “The top 1 percent of taxpayers in this country pay 40.42 percent of all income taxes.
    For the top 5 percent, the percentage is even higher. The 7.1 million taxpayers who fit this description pay 60.63 percent of all Federal income taxes.
    The bigger the net, the greater the discrepancy. The top 25 percent of taxpayers (35.3 million of us) can take pride in knowing that we contribute 86.59 percent of federal taxes. And the top 50 percent (70.5 million of us) pay 97.11 of the total taxes collected.”
    But, because of the great amounts of income earned by that top 1 percent, such as the CEO salaried of the highest paid CEO’s announced in the New York Times this week, those salaries get hit by to top income tax bracket in the supposed “progressive” income tax system, which is hardly “fair” to the low 50 percent who don’t get a meal expense or shelter costs paid by company deducted business expenses. They pay the full amount of whatever is left after tax payments to pay for food at Wall-Mart and negotiate with the bank to continue living in their homes financed with an adjustable rate mortgage during that financial scam foisted by the rich 1% bankers rescued by TARP funds.

    • JeffH

      INTERNATIONAL CORPORATE SOCIALIST

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Non sequitur.

        • JeffH

          How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            A Fish.

            Why did the boy fall off his bike?

          • JeffH

            A: Because his mom threw a fridge at him.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Yeah, one that used to be made in Ohio and now in Mexico by the Corporate International Socialists.

          (%

          • JeffH

            Sorry, this one was Made in Amaerica by the Corporate Socialist Whirlpool. It wasn’t broken either, she was pissed because he told her not to trust Obama!

  • Leonard

    Send a message to Washington. In November… RE-ELECT NOBODY. 415 members of the House and 33 Senators don’t get to go back to Washington. The new members will know how they got there and how they’ll leave if they don’t start listening to the people. There will also be 66 Senators and a President who will change their tunes. In November… NOBODY gets re-elected. Now that’s change.

    • Palin12

      Great idea!

  • momof4

    HE IS RISEN!!!!!!!!!!

  • momof4

    Happy Resurection Day Everyone!!!!!!!!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Mom0f4__HAPPY EASTER TO YOU TOO!

    • JeffH

      Likewise to all of you out there, even those I don’t agree with. Have a blessed and Happy Easter you wacky wabbits….

      • momof4

        JeffH,
        Too cute!!!LOL

  • JPW-

    Palin12 So Pelosi had a $100,000 bartab for the year.Thats not bad when you consider in one night it cost the Republican PARTY $2900 for one night at that bondage lesbian gay voyeur night club.Almost all were $i bils placed you know where.I often wondered what today’s republican party stood for.Party ON.Be back shortly the whiskey purchases etc. are starting to ring up.Do’nt have a fiinal tally yet I will be back

    • Palin12

      They are both wrong! I don’t support anyone wasting our tax dollars this way!

    • JeffH

      JPW-good spin on that one.
      “Republicans spent $1,946 at topless club”.
      By CHARLES BABINGTON
      ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
      WASHINGTON — The Republican National Committee spent $1,946 last month at a sex-themed Hollywood club that features topless dancers and bondage outfits. Now the GOP wants its money back.

      Listed in a monthly financial report, the amount is itemized as expenses for meals at Voyeur West Hollywood.

      RNC spokesman Doug Heye said Monday the committee doesn’t know the details of how the money was spent, all who may have attended or the nature of the outing, except to say it was an unauthorized event and that the expenditure was inappropriate.

      The RNC will be reimbursed by Erik Brown of Orange, Calif., the donor-vendor who billed the committee for the club visit, Heye said.
      http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1110ap_us_republicans_spending.html?source=mypi

      • JeffH

        I especially enjoyed your description as a ” lesbian gay” voyeur night club. Although I’m sure “lesbian and gays” do go there, it certainly isn’t a “lesbian gay” club. You really need to stop watching and listening to Kieth Obberego and Rachael Madcow.

        • Palin12

          …..and the Hildebeast!

  • marg

    Obama said what he was going to do. None of this surprises me. I didn’t vote for him, nor did I vote for McCain. When Bush signed the NCLB bill I left the Republican Party. I realized that RINOs can be every bit as dangerous as liberals.

    Conservatives get complacent when a Republican is in charge. Look at the doors Bush opened for Obama, Pelosi, and Reid to barge through. I heard Democrats complain about Bush’s transgressions, but few Conservatives spoke up.

    To those who say I put Obama in office by voting for a third party candidate, I say, why didn’t you try to stop Bush? And don’t you see that we wouldn’t be trying to reclaim our country had McCain been elected?

    • JeffH

      marg, I’m fairly new (2 years) to all of this crap but I don’t really think there was a really strong and focused conservative movement during Bush’s presidency. I complained like most people I knew about government growth and intrusion (War,Patriot Act,Illegal Aliens) and like a lot of folks, worked 45-60 hr/week sometimes more. It Makes no difference that you voted 3rd party, America was primed for “Hope and Change” and listened to the greatest “modern day organizer”. No doubt the war and a great amount of leftist controlled media propaganda had an influence on the voters. I did do some research on Obama and McCain and made my vote too, for the lesser of two evils like a slew of others did. We weren’t going to get the right guy for America no matter what. I did, however realize that Obama really didn’t have much love for this country and was a Marxist/socialist. It was all there on the internet for all to see, if they wanted to.
      Little did the voters know what kind of “Hope and Change” and division of the people that Obama and his “handlers” had planned for America and the people.

    • Vicki

      for many years I (foolishly) believed in voting for the “lessor of 2 evils” and all I have gotten for my trouble is………evil.

      I say vote for the party that supports the Constitution. Constantly voting for the 2 parties that clearly don’t anymore will beget more and more evil.

      For me that means voting Libertarian. Its the only (current) way to be sure.

      • Smilee

        VOTE FOR THE GUARENTEED LOSER, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THAT, I GUESS SOME PEOPLE LIKE BEING ASSOCIATED WITH LOSERS

        • Vicki

          I do not vote for winners or losers. I vote for the ideals that made this country the one on the planet that everyone wants to come to or to hate or both. Currently the choices are Libertarian or possibly Constitution party

          • Smilee

            Vicki

            Sweetie, the candidature with the least votes is the loser, spin it any way you want to, bur you voted for the loser, he lost sweetie

  • JPW-

    JeffH I think I finally figured it all out with these postings.You have stated to Marg that President Obama was a Marxist/Socialist and how you knew. ” It was all there on the internet for all to see, if they wanted to” Now if I put Obama is the second coming of Christ which I just did it has to be true Right.Marg lot’s of wacko’s be careful with what they try to tell you.They spend most of their time scaring the crap out of each other.Just because it’s on the internet does’nt make it true.

    • JeffH

      JPW-gee whiz, why wouldn’t I think differantly?
      Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.

      “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully,” Obama wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father.” “The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

      After college, Obama states lived on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called “the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union.”

      Barack Obama began his political career as the chief national trainer for ACORN, which now faces lawsuits in 14 states for voter fraud. Obama’s mentor as a community organizer in Chicago was Gerald Kellman, a Saul Alinksy protegé. To begin his meteoric rise toward the White House, money originated from what Clarice Feldman of American Thinker calls the “Gang of Four”— Soros, Peter Lewis, Stephen Bing and Herbert & Marion Sandler. All are Jewish billionaires.

      One of Obama’s most important backers was Marilyn Katz (Jewish), who oversaw security for the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) and advocated violent guerrilla tactics toward the police (as did Obama associate William Ayers of the Weather Underground). Katz became a fundraising bundler for Obama, as well as hosting fundraisers and serving as an Illinois delegate at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
      Lets look at the words of Michelle Obama from a June 19, 2008 speech. She said, “We’re going to have to change our traditions and our history.” She explained further on Aug. 25, 2008. “All of us are driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do. We have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.”

      Who, precisely, will determine how our world should be? Mrs. Obama’s poignant phrase was lifted directly from Saul Alinsky, a Chicago-based Jewish extremist who penned the handbook for far-left causes, Rules for Radicals.

      George Soros also hand-picked Barack Obama to challenge Hillary Clinton (and ultimately defeat GOP nominee John McCain).
      Soros, through his Open Society Institute, funnels approximately $300 million a year into various liberal venues, including the influential MoveOn.org, which he owns.

      • JeffH

        All hand picked, taken out of context, edited and rewritten just for you, not to mention all the copying and pasting it took.

        • JeffH

          I’ll add that the references that were in print about the
          financial backers were “(Jewish)” make no difference to me personally.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH,Good Grief, the genius metor is runnin on overload today___The Libby spins are flippin’ genius’s today!!__ Hey, how was your Easter?_ I made too much and we ate to much too!

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be , hah! Like the Never Ending Story they’ll continue to pin, spin, spin that same tale with the same sounds as fingernails across a chalkboard. Ouch!
            Easter was great and I didn’t over eat for once. Thanks for asking.

    • JeffH

      JPW-says: Now if I put Obama is the second coming of Christ which I just did it has to be true Right.Marg lot’s of wacko’s be careful with what they try to tell you.They spend most of their time scaring the crap out of each other.Just because it’s on the internet does’nt make it true.

      You just answered your own question. You’re just one of the wacos spreading false information on the internet trying to scare people awy from the truth. Just because the MSM reports it doesn’t make it true…see how easy it is. Use your brain and you can filter through the good and bad information. Of course you have to do a little more work than watching FOX, MSNBC or CNN. Gotta confirm the information you hear is true or discover what some refuse to tell!

    • JeffH

      JPW- says:
      April 4, 2010 at 3:24 pm
      JeffH I think I finally figured it all out with these postings.You have stated to Marg that President Obama was a Marxist/Socialist and how you knew.

      I got a pretty good idea when I checked into his voting record and realized the “lack of experience” this guy Obama had in politics. Further more, the deeper into his campaign we got, I realized he was a thin skinned bully, calling out Hannity like he did, tossing media that didn’t ask the right questions off of his bus or plaine. Basically, he tried to shut down thise exercising “free speech” and pull every piece of dirt up on his opponents and naysayers, whether it was true or a fabricated lie.
      I didn’t know until much later after the election. When one finds the same information through dozens to hundreds of searches, one can gain some insite on the subject.

  • JPW-

    Angelwanabe;On April 5th you wrote “I worked in the medical field and know quite enough to be dangerous about it”.Then went on to say “Personally I buried all my grandparents my parents and my brother” Ireally think you should try a differant line of work.Or do you work in Jonestown?

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      jpw, MAN-O-MAN, WE HAVE OUR SHARE OF GENIUS ON HERE TODAY DON’T WE? IF YOU READ A BIT INTO IT, IT MEANS I’VE DONE MY SHARE OF MEDICARE AND INSURANCE PAPER WORK, PERHAPS A_ G.E.D_ WOULD HELP YOU UNDERSTAND!__AND BESIDES GENIUS, MY GRANDPARENTS WOULD BE WELL OVER 100!!!__IF MY PARENTS WERE STILL LIVING THEY’D BE IN THEIR LATE 80′S AND EARLY 90′S__ARE WE CLEAR NOW, OR DO WE NEED A CHALK BOARD?

  • JPW-

    Palin13 Well I think the solution for congress is to vote in Multimillionaires.You say eight out of the ten richest are Democrats perhaps that is good.Then they can’t be bought off when someone hands them cash and say’s Vote down the HCB screw the poor and unfortunate let them die

    • Palin12

      Surely you must be kidding. You think they are satisfied with their millions?? They lust for all the money they can get. Remember Rod Blogovich D-Illinois wanting to sell Obama’s senate seat to the highest bidder? They are all egomaniacs who lust for money and power and that includes the rinos. My point was, why don’t these rich democrats redistribute their own wealth? Keep a million for themselves and give all the rest to the homeless. And BTW, they are bought off…by the unions!

  • Kgharts

    Its obvious “denniso says” doesn’t understand much. Education is not a panacea. A lot of dumb people graduate with diplomas. Denniso is such a lover of academics he/she is probably a graduate too. With the Denniso comments posted herein, that is eveidence enough of the fact that our system can produce ignorant fools with diplomas.

    Education is only a start stupid. WHAT you do with it determines the excellence of your product. Obviously you skipped the class on excellence in character building to name one. This only points out one other fact: That many graduate by cheating, as you obviously did, evidenced by your lack of common sense. However, most classes you attended seemed to be the brain-dead Marxist variety, also given your comments herein.

    Since you are even reading this column suggests you are a quasi-spy wanting to know or influence those who agree with the blogger. Go pass gas downwind. You are as irritating as your marxist idealism.

    • libertytrain

      I remember a gal who had just gotten a degree in Journalism – she said to me – exact words: “I can’t get no job”

      • denniso

        Kg…you’re ignorance is showing. I’m not a marxist. I’m a businessman
        who just happens to think that our country leaves way too many Americans behind…on the streets,in shelters,in slums,on battlefields. You sound like a nazi…

  • Merl Elton

    The sign should read: Welcome to NE Home of Medicaid and Riff Raff.

  • Merl Elton

    Denniso also fails to understand that intelligence is inherent and God given. Natural intelligence, the kind that you are born with and either you have it or you don’t is what makes wealthy business people and individuals of strong character and principles; no school can teach that.

    • denniso

      So, people are born to be ‘successful’ or not? What a bunch of bull…
      Most very wealthy people are so because they are willing to subvert absolutely everything else to making big money…family,health,love,the environment,other people…all come after money. Most of the best family men and women work hard at tough jobs and make enough to just make it through life into retirement. They put family and friends first…

  • Merl Elton

    Nancy a drunk? That group in Washington could drive anyone to drink.

  • Palin12

    I wrote to my governor and attorney general to express my opinion of our state filing suit against the feds. Governor Gibbons sent me a nice response, which I share:

    GOVERNOR BLASTS TITUS AND BERKLEY FOR
    VOTING FOR HEALTH CARE “REFORM”

    Carson City – Governor Jim Gibbons today blasted Nevada Congresswomen Dina Titus and Shelley Berkley, whose votes helped pass health care “reform” legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives last night.

    “To call the Reid/Pelosi/Obama health care bill ‘reform’ is laughable,” Gibbons said. “The bill disguises its true cost by shoving Medicaid expansions down to the state level and shuffling Congressional Budget Office estimates into later years so it appears to save federal tax dollars. It is an insult to those who truly care about meaningful health care reform.”

    The health care “reform” bill contains a mandatory expansion of the Nevada Medicaid program which will add more than 41,000 people to the program’s rolls in 2014, expanding Nevada’s Medicaid enrollment by nearly 60% by 2019. Overall, the plan will cost Nevada taxpayers more than $613 million in state General Fund dollars between 2014 and 2019. In addition to imposing this massive tax burden, the bill also removes existing state options, essentially federalizing the program.

    The legislation also increases taxes on Nevada businesses and individuals directly through new taxes on existing health plans, an increase in Medicare payroll taxes, taxing Medicaid managed care plans, the elimination of the itemized medical expense deduction and more. Individuals will also be forced to fund the $1.7 billion federal Medicaid “cost share” for Nevada through their federal income taxes. Estimates from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office forecast premiums in the individual market will rise significantly faster than they would under current law. The bill would also grant the federal government a historic level of authority over the health care industry through dangerous levels of discretion granted to the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

    “This bill mortgages the future of our children and grandchildren,” Gibbons said. “With Titus, Berkley and Reid in Congress, who needs enemies? These three will bankrupt the state General Fund and put more Nevadans out of work.”

    Governor Gibbons joined many Governors in vocal opposition against the bill.

    Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour said, “I hope this healthcare plan covers hearing aids, because it’s clear Democrats who voted for it have not heard the majority of Americans who didn’t want government-controlled healthcare crammed down their throats. States cannot sustain another massive unfunded mandate, senior citizens are threatened by enormous cuts to Medicare, and American taxpayers and businesses can’t afford huge tax increases in the midst of the worst economic slump since the Great Depression.”

    “This is public policy at its worst,” Alaska Governor Sean Parnell stated, “I am very concerned with the impacts this bill will have on Alaska’s seniors, families, small businesses, and physicians. For the many Alaskans currently unable to afford insurance, this legislation will do nothing but require that they purchase health insurance. This bill will increase insurance premiums and do very little to ensure that patients have access to needed health care professionals.”

    Texas Governor Rick Perry said, “Unfortunately, the health care vote had more to do with expanding socialism on American soil than it does fixing our health care finance and delivery systems. The Obama health care bill undermines patient choice, personal responsibility, medical innovation and fiscal responsibility in America. As passed by the U.S. House, the bill will cost Texas taxpayers billions more, and drive our nation much deeper into debt. Congress’s backroom deals and parliamentary maneuvers undermined the public trust and increased cynicism in our political process.”

    “Americans deserve better than this liberal, partisan legislation that amounts to a government take over of health care while raising rates, raising taxes, and significantly cutting Medicare,” said Florida Governor Charlie Crist.

    “This bill was passed in spite of the majority opinion of the American people. It was passed by making backroom deals with Congressional leaders that will ultimately cost the American taxpayer billions of dollars,” said Hawai‘i Governor Linda Lingle, “While politics encompasses the art of compromise, this bill secured the ‘yea’ votes behind closed doors, without regard to the long-term economic impact and the overwhelming opposition by many citizens from Hawai‘i and across the nation to many of its provisions.”

    • denniso

      Of course rick perry is telling the truth,he never lies. The Repubs have resisted all reform of healthcare and actually made the passed bill worse than it could have been…now they cry and whine that we are moving to socialism when all we are trying to do is make the system affordable and accessible to all Americans…quit the whining and come up w/ some constructive fixes rather than just supporting the insurance industry like the Repubs have a solid history of doing.

      • Palin12

        You are so ignorant, it’s not even worth a response. Brainwashed fool!

        • zack

          Palin12, Amen on the ignorance. worst I ever seen.

          • denniso

            So you two intellects think our healthcare system was just fine as it was?? The Repubs had plenty of time to do something about it under the doddering Reagan and the elitist Bushes…20 yrs it was, and they did absolutely nothing and instead resisted any change at all.
            If you people don’t know that the Repubs represent the insurance industry and all corporate America,than you need to quit spouting and
            calling others names and start really educating yourselves….

  • Frank

    I would sure like to vote for a politician that sees it the way I do! MANDATORY DRUG TESTS FOR ANY AND ALL WHOM WISH TO LIVE OFF OF THEIR NEIGHBORS DIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    A “MAXIMUM”!! of 1 year to get them selves together and become a part of society (in a working manner), so they too can “ENJOY” the fun of spending their hard earned income to help others in need!

    There is a VERY GREAT DISEASE in our country and it is called “LIBERALISM”!

    Lysol kills 99.9% of all bacteria and virus’…..I say we pour our $$$ into their R&D department in order to help them find a cure for this dreadfully sickening disease!!!

    • denniso

      You sound sick and ignorant…Liberalism is a political/philosophical
      theory. Compassion for our fellow humans,tolerance of differences,
      pursuit of education,concern for the planet…yeah,those are really sick attributes of ‘liberalism’,aren’t they?

  • http://YAHOO.COM Sue C

    PALIN 12:

    YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT AN IDIOT THEY ARE! YOU ARE A BIGGER, AND MORE FOOLISH IDIOT, IN CALLING YOURSELF “PALIN12!” THAT WOMAN IS SO SENSELESS, YOU HAVE TO BE UTTERLY DUMB, TO SPEAK HER NAME, AND MORE THAN A TOTAL OXYMORON TO CALL YOURSELF A NAME LIKE THAT! O GIRL! ARE YOU ASHAMED OF USING YOUR OWN ID? GET A LIFE!

    • Palin12

      First time I ever got a liberal riled up over just a screen name! Geez! Send me some more SEIU plants just for my enjoyment!

    • Vicki

      Good job Palin12 :) that they get that upset over a name speaks volumes about them. Just sit back and enjoy the power they foolishly give us.

      Palin Palin Sarah Palin. maybe I should start a pseudoname and be sPalinIn2012 :)

      • Palin12

        Thank you Vicki!

  • http://YAHOO.COM Sue C

    BOB LIVINGSTON:

    Why do you incite the people to go against their government? You remind me of Yassir Arafat! He was 30-35 years old, when he started to teach his fellow muslims, how to strap themselves with bombs, to blast THEMSELVES, their own people, and other people, with the senseless suicide bombs, and you are technically doing the same thing! You are TYING YOUR FELLOW Americans with VERBAL SUICIDE BOMBS, AND arming them to undermine their own country!

    Do you know anything about the art of gardening? This is the picture! You have to “PULL OUT” all THE ROOTS of the old/dead trees, fork, and break-up the fallow ground, take out all grubs, stones, and whatever weeds THAT ARE IMPEDIMENTS TO THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW GARDEN, prepare the ground with all the necessary ingredients that a gardener needs for his/her beautiful garden, that he/she is expecting to florish, and bloom, delightfully!

    GUESS WHAT? GOD IS THE GARDENER OF GARDENERS, AND YOU BETTER WATCH IT, BOB LIVINGSTON, BEFORE HE REMOVES YOU, AS AN OUTCAST, AND MAKE THE WAY FOR THE GROWTH, AND PROSPERITY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! HE IS NOT WHITE, NOR OF ANY OTHER COLOR, AND HE DOES NOT TAKE DELIGHT IN A FOOL! YOU APPEAR TO LOVE FOLLY, BOBBY, AND IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO TAKE STOCK, AND STOP BLOCKING THE GROWTH, AND PROSPERITY OF THIS COUNTRY, BY INSTIGATING YOUNG AMERICA TO REBEL AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENT, JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO DO IT YOURSELF.

    YASSIR ARAFAT, WAS A VERY SELF-CENTERED, SPINELESS, TOTALLY CALLOUS PERSON, WHO LIED, BAREFACEDLY, AND LED MANY YOUNG MUSLIMS TO BELIEVE HIS LIES, AND SENT THEM, AND THEIR VICTIMS TO THEIR DEATH, WITHOUT A CAUSE, FOR MANY DECADES! YOU ARE DOING THE SAME, SPINELESS THING, AND REMEMBER THIS! ARAFAT WAS NOT A BELIEVER, IN JESUS! HIS FRUIT TOLD ME WHO HE WAS! WHEN GOD LOOKS ON THE FIG TREE OF YOUR LIFE, AND CURSES YOU, WHAT WILL YOU DO, THEN? WATCH IT BOBBY! GOD IS NOT A RESPECTER OF PERSONS! STOP INCITING THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF AMERICA, BEFORE YOU GET A VISITATION FROM THE ALMIGHTY, FOR MISLEADING THEM!

    • libertytrain

      Good Grief!

    • JeffH

      Sue C, are you Obama’s mistress or what? My god, what an ill informed ranter you are. Bob Livingston is doing his part to promote dialog and provide insight to the issues that we face in this country and the world. If you are unhappy with that, get on your high horse and hit the dusty trail.
      Happy trails to you!

      • denniso

        Sue has a valid point…all the people trashing Obama and demonizing him and his policies and hoping that the policies fail are aiding in hurting the national economy,which is very dependent on consumer confidence. Limbaugh and others are actively trying to bring down the
        economy so they can point to the failure in Nov and ruin Obama politically…they are putting political power above the national interest and it’s hurting everyone to some degree. Where was the time when we pulled together as a country to get out of a major mess like we’re in? The rightwing can only think of regaining power,not what’s best for the country. Sad…

        • JeffH

          Gee, thanks dumbnisso…I now realize that overspending Obama wants to save this country from the radical left that we have Demonized him for leading all this time. Capitalism and a free market is the true enemy. Why even these damn conservative Tea Baggers are idiots to even believe that government just overtaxes and practices wasteful spending economics to ruin our economy. Believe in the Constitution and freedom? HAH! what a bunch of idiots they are. This isn’t about “redistribution of wealth”, this is about making a level playing field for everyone, to hell with work ethics and personal responsibility! What about all these ignorant bible thumpers, hiding their racism behind the cloak or even the audacity to believe there could be a higher power than an oppressive minded government full of selfish, single minded elected officials.

          Nah! I think I don’t subscribe to what you think the world should be like. As they say, I’ll keep my guns, freedom & money…you can keep the change.

        • ’53 Korean Vet

          denniso– What Jeff H didn’t discover in his Research on Obama–I did my Home-work to find out what kind of Lawyer he was-! I found it–he’s expertly trained to be a Lawyer-! Lawyer’s College taught him to “Lie”–until you’re proven “Guilty”! But I’ve found that he also, while he was a young lawyer–that he helped to create this Financial “Melt-Down” that nearly wrecked our American Economy-! He’s not ever going to be an “Economic Genius”, neither has he appointed any in his cabinet that qualify as one–Either! I found in courtroom records, where on June 1995, Lawyer Barrack Obama & 4 other joint-lawyers, in a Court-Room presided over by Judge Rueben Castillo at Chicago, Illinois entered a “Racial Discrimination” Case against Citi-Bank! It became a “Classic CLASS-ACTION Suit” with all the goodies on that court-room Table-! It’s Documented as “Buycks Robertson vs Citibank Federal Sav. Bank”. They used President Clinton’s Rules on any “Hint of Racial-Discrimination” and the Fines imposed on Banks, who were found to be guilty! But being on “Class-Action” Status, meant that a national bank could be found guilty in many other states!
          Obama & his fellow attorneys, 3 years later from 1995-1998 Got a BIG WIN-! The case had proceeded on grounds–that “Citibank had made ‘Too-Few’ Sub-Prime Loans to Blacks”-! The Bank’s attorneys realized that they had lost–and got permission from Judge Castillo to “Settle Out Of Court”! This means, the fines & penalities could be negotiated without including Banks in other cities! Obama & his fellow Lawyers were to be fully paid, including law-court costs! But this sent a message to all other financial institutions–to NEVER GET CAUGHT in a case like this one-! It’s not worth, being penalized with Fed. Rules!
          If someone who looks like a minority comes in for a Sub-Prime Loan–Just write it up, have them sign the paper, & get them out the door!
          This caused hundreds of thousands of Sub-Prime Loans to be multiplied
          to be written without ‘Credit-checks’ or Sources of Income. After-all, if these loans were too-risky–they could always be ‘Sold’ to Fannie-Mae or Freddie-Mac–at a profit! While it’s True, that Obama was not the ‘Only’ one, who contributed to the “Melt-Down”, his flaming match may have been the one that “Lit” the 10-year Fuze that would finally cause the Financial Melt-Down to happen 10 years later in 2008! He did Contribute to that Happening as a young Lawyer-! He is not found to “Be Innocent” of non-participation! This case was filed under “Civil/Rights Clearing House”–on permanent records!! Don’t let people, who have lost their Jobs & Homes–know about this Case! He’s covered up everything else–except this-!!

    • Vicki

      Sue C

      Tell us. During the 8 years of the Bush administration were you telling all those liberals to stop inciting the people to go against their government?

      Just curious.

  • ABinGA

    denniso just does not get it. If I want to be compassionate and help the needy then it’s my choice. I should not be forced by the government to help the needy.

  • ABinGA

    Especially the one’s that are able to work who make it a way of life to drain the system instead of working just because they can. I agree with Frank. Drug tests and limits on how long you can stay on the rolls. If you have hard times I can understand but to be taught from childhood how to abuse the system is just wrong. What do ya’ll think

  • JPW-

    The vast majority of rich people today multimillionaires are people that underpaid their employees,over charged their customers screwed their stockholders and then there is Bernie Maddoff.The CEO of the company I work for was given 18 million in bonuses last year our sales were down this year by 2billion but his bonus this year went up to 20 million.I have never seen nor heard of any individual worth one million a year.

    • Vicki

      JPW- the CEO of the company you work for was well worth the 20 million. How can I possibly know this? Easy. He did not point a gun at the CFO and tell him to give over 20 million. He made a deal and he executed his side of the deal. The company completed their side and 20 million was delivered to the CEO. Its that easy.

      Now you may not think the CEO was worth 20 million but it is not your money and not your say.

      • denniso

        AB and Vicki…you need to do some actual studying so you don’t sound like fools. Everyone who knows anything about capitalism knows that it inherently spreads the wealth of an economy very unevenly…it’s the nature of the system that left to it’s own devices some people become on godly wealthy and most can hardly stay alive even working full time,or at 2 jobs…it’s like a law of physics,which I know is a dificult subject to most people here,that the uncontrolled ‘free market’ goes inexorably in that direction. All sane gov’ts w/ a ‘free market’ system know this and act to mitigate the negative consequences of ‘the market’. Minimum wage laws,progressive taxes,anti trust and monopoly laws,banking regs,worker safety laws,child labor laws and help for disabled and others unable to work. Capitalism almost never provides full employment and when it rarely does it’s due to an economic bubble or war,both of which can’t last…so all sane ‘free market’ systems also provide support for unemployed workers for limited time. All sane/civil systems also provide help to children and their parents if unable to provide for the children…why? because it’s in the greater interest of the entire society to try to have children raised well and healthy so they don’t become a drag on society and rather can contribute to it in a positive way.
        Most rightwingers don’t want to acknowledge the complexity of a modern
        society and instead repeat over and over their tired old cliches of welfare cheats and forced charity through taxes. We don’t live in the 1900′s w/ most people on farms and children working in slave like factory conditions.

        • Palin12

          OK We get that you don’t like capitalism. You would favor socialism. Why don’t you look around in Greece and Portugal right now and see how those kind of systems are working out! Even here in the US during the recession…look which states are hurt worst and which least. Right at the top is california, about to go bankrupt with all their government pensions and their unending regulations and bureaucracy. New York is right there with them. Now look how Texas and Alaska have rode it out. I visited Fairbanks last year and everywhere you looked you could tell people were prospering. I have visited several countries in Europe, and they were fun to visit, even eye opening. But give me our system anyday!

          • eyeswideopen

            Palin, Texas rode out the housing bubble better than most states. Want to know why? Because the have tighter regulations than other states. DID YOU GET THE REGULATION PART OF THE STATEMENT????

          • Palin12

            You NitWit

  • Palin12

    It’s been reported that if Timothy Geithner is unable to continue as head of Treasury due to income tax issues, President Obama’s next choice to head the Treasury Department is Wesley Snipes.

  • JeffH

    A provision for a 6000 man private army is in the HCB…watch this video…It’s true!
    http://www.personalliberty.com/feature-video/obamas-private-army/

    March 31, 2010 — I know it’s FOX News, but it is the substance that counts here. Remember Obama saying that we need a “civilian army that is just as well trained and funded as the military”? Well, here it is. Tucked away in the middle of the over 2,000 page health care monstrosity that nobody in congress bothered to even read

    This is not just an expansion of the National Guard, no. This is a private health corp. that is to be trained by the military and will be under the direct command of the president. This is nothing short of tyranny and fascism, but many of the kool-aid drinkers will find a way to justify and defend this as well, despite the fact that it is in direct violation of the law that their beloved president took oath to uphold.

  • robert chow

    now the tax revolt has begun, why not let this carry through to november election. we must maintain this important issue as our past patriach did when they gave their lives against the British. Let us tar and feather those (vote them out of office) continue living in DC. The grassroot must go further and reclaim this country to honor God. He is our sustainer and not the politico.

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