Teachers’ Union Boss: Gun Lovers Are Going To Hell

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If you are a 2nd Amendment supporter, you better hope your child’s teacher isn’t taking notes from the heads of America’s educators’ unions.

The vice president of the National Education Association (NEA) made an outrageous statement Friday about 2nd Amendment supporters: She outright condemned them to hell.

Speaking before a gathering of liberal activists who convened for the Netroots Nation convention, NEA Vice President Lily Eskelsen Garcia said of politicians and lobbyists working to promote gun rights: “I’m not an ordained minister; I’m not a theologian, but these guys are going to hell.”

Garcia was speaking on a panel called “Not Another Newtown: Building a Movement to Prevent Gun Violence,” a discussion aimed at teaching liberal activists the best tactics for pressuring lawmakers into passing stricter gun laws.

“We have to make those Senators as frightened of us as they are of the gun lobby,” she said. “Shame on us if we give one inch to the gun lobby. They got where they are because they never give up. … Now the movement is us; we are the ones we were waiting for.”

The NEA and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) are two education-affiliated groups who have made a continual effort to reignite legislative efforts to pass stricter gun-control laws, despite the death of a Senate gun-control effort in April.

AFT President Randi Weingarten told the gathering of 3,000 liberal activists that the anti-gun crowd should take note of the success the homosexual lobby and immigration advocates have by making the issue personal.

“When people see faces and when they are impacted individually, it changes minds,” she said, according to Mercury News.

On her NEA blog, Garcia gives an example of the mindset of the educator unions, writing:

They have built over the years an army of politicians – local, state and national – who either inexplicably agree with Any Gun to Anyone or who conveniently agree to be quiet and not ask inconvenient questions. This army of politicians trumped 90% of Americans. For my friend, the handwriting was on the wall. Defeat. How sad. Give up.

Here is why we will not: Babies died. Our sons and daughters and grandchildren died. Our neighbors and relatives died. We won’t give up because silence means it will happen again. It means it could get worse. There are serious and idiotic debates on whether to arm teachers and train them for shoot-outs in the hall because the gun lobby’s answers to gun violence always involve selling more guns to Anybody to prepare for the next inevitable tragedy.

Their answers never involve preventing the next inevitable tragedy, but the next tragedy is inevitable only if those 90% of Americans fail to act.

The increasing vigor with which the Nation’s teachers’ unions are calling for stricter gun-control laws could explain the uptick in reports involving teachers going to great lengths to make guns seem evil in the classroom — even those of the orange-tipped plastic, gestural or chewed-out-of-a-pastry varieties.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

  • vicki

    So much for the progressives “separation of church and state”

  • Roger Long

    I have owned guns for fifty years and have never hurt anyone with them. Since I have left high school, I have seen more damage to the children from lousy teachers. The kids graduate and can’t fill out a job application. Teachers don’t teach history or geography anymore. What do you people do, besides indoctrinate? If I had a child in school, I would be going to school with him/her. I have had a computer for the last fourteen years and have learned more in those years than I ever did in school.

  • Merle Dickey

    Time for her to retire , She can’t think straight LOL

  • Joe

    The gun lobby is powerful because there are millions and millions of law abiding citizens that want Americans to have guns and have the ability to defend themselves from whomever is threatening them. They want the ability to use the best technology they can afford and if it comes down to you or me they want it to be me. These teachers are just more union members that are not interested in teacher or student safety. They are only interested in forwarding their liberal world view. I for on am extremely tired of these same people 30 years from now saying oh you conservatives were right we should not have done that, but now it is too late. I am wise enough and have studied history enough to know they are wrong and I intend to fight this nonsense with everything I have until we win or it doesn’t matter anymore. They have that to look forward to is what I have to say about it. Pick whatever method you choose, we already know how to defeat you.

    • vicki

      Here is an easy to validate statistic that will stop most anti-gun statistics cold.

      In the last year alone ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anyone. Not even by accident. Punishing them for the deaths of ~30,000 is insane.

      Tell the anti-gun crowd to STOP punishing the INNOCENT for the acts of a very very (~0.01%) few.

      Stop it

      Stop it NOW.

  • Don 2

    All the more reason to do away with public employee(teachers) unions.

  • FreedomFighter

    Teachers Union is just another manifestation of communist infiltration used to donate funds for the Democratic party’s march toward destruction of America.

    The gun grabbers want your gun, then only they will have them.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

    • chocopot

      Unions in general are a form of communist infiltration. Who do you think was behind the first unions and union organizing in this country? That’s right: the commies. It’s in the history books.

  • JimH

    We have schools handing out condoms and morning after pills to students, practically condoning school kids to be sexually active, but people supporting the Bill of Rights are going to Hell?
    A mind is a terrible thing to waste, home school.

  • Robert Peterson

    One must first believe there is such a thing as God before one can go to Hell a scary place made up by man and written on a piece of paper then passed on from generation to generation as a means of control. There is no such place.No heaven or hell no God no Satan all characters made up in a fairy tale perpetuated by man nothing more. NEXT!!

    • JimH

      Robert, The definition of a dead Atheist – All dressed up and no where to go.

      • Robert Peterson

        Faith based religions are nothing more than exactly that.There is no proof of Gods existence or Satan’s and the lake of fire there is no heaven or hell. Just words written on paper and spoken from the mouths of fools. Prove me wrong, go to either place then come tell me all about it.

        • JimH

          So Atheists don’t have a sense of humor.
          Just reading your 2 posts you sound like a bitter man. Maybe if you found some faith, that would change.

          • Robert Peterson

            You accused me of being an atheist that would make anyone bitter, would it not? How do you know I’m an atheist I was merely giving an opinion based on fact.Faith based religions are exactly that and nothing more. I do not put my faith in man or his or her religions I seek the truth myself. If there is a God or a Satan a heaven or a Hell one will never know until they are dead.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Robert Peterson,

            You write: “You accused me of being an atheist that would make anyone bitter, would it not?” Does being an atheist make you bitter, or is it being accused of being an atheist that makes you bitter?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Robert Peterson

            Being accused of being an Atheist might make anyone bitter I’m not bitter although our friend Jim accused me of such. Based on his opinion of me or my words in this case. I am a man of facts not fiction and until proven otherwise I will remain so.
            And thank you

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Robert Peterson,

            You write: “Being accused of being an Atheist might make anyone bitter…” To avoid being accused of being an atheist–and thereby becoming bitter–I might suggest that when you are visiting a website that is being read by Christians that you refrain from making blanket statements that God doesn’t exist. In other words, you brought it on yourself.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Robert Peterson

            I believe God doesn’t exist that is true nor does Satan you cannot have one without the other. Based on the story written above we will all go to hell if we are pro gun. I for one do not believe in heaven or hell,and the Bible in today’s world is used strictly as a means of control. Whether it was meant to in it’s original text we will never know since most of it’s truth was erased by King James himself as a means of Control. Blanket statement? My original statement began with ”One must first believe there is such a thing as God before one can go to Hell”. Based on Christian teachings and interpretations from that Bible written by men. In other words if I do what the bible tells me I will go to heaven. Where in the bible does it say it’s OK to kill people you don’t agree with. How is it that people can call themselves Christians and in the same breath kill others in foreign lands?

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Robert Peterson,

            You write: “I believe God doesn’t exist that is true nor does Satan you cannot have one without the other.” I understand, as best I can considering your lack of punctuation. You have already stated this.

            You write: “I for one do not believe in heaven or hell…” Repetitive.

            You write: “…and the Bible in today’s world is used strictly as a means of control.” Proof by bald assertion.

            You write: “Whether it was meant to in it’s original text we will never know since most of it’s truth was erased by King James himself as a means of Control.” Your statement is incorrect and, again, proof by bald assertion. Why must your responses be logical fallacies?

            You write: “My original statement began with ‘One must first believe there is such a thing as God before one can go to Hell’.” Yes; and I refuted it.

            You write: Based on Christian teachings and interpretations from that Bible written by men.” Sentence fragment. Nonsensical.

            You write: “In other words if I do what the bible tells me I will go to heaven.” Correction; if you believe in God and the resurrection of Jesus Christ and do what the Bible tells you, you will go to Heaven.

            You write: “Where in the bible does it say it’s OK to kill people you don’t agree with.” It does not. No one here has said it does. Therefore this is a non sequitur.

            You write: “How is it that people can call themselves Christians and in the same breath kill others in foreign lands?” Calling oneself a Christian does not make it so.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Robert Peterson

            LOL!!

          • Average_Joe56

            Robert, I have noticed that you have told us what you don’t believe in….but you have failed to tell us what you “do ” believe in…anything? Anything at all?
            Inquiring minds want to know…. What do you believe in?

          • Robert Peterson

            Reality

          • Bob666

            Well played Mr. Paterson, Well Played.

          • Average_Joe56

            Please elaborate:….What (according to you) is reality?
            Or do you only believe in the word “reality”?

            For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen.

            Douglas Adams

          • Robert Peterson

            See it, touch it ,feel it,smell it, taste it, it exists. That’s reality.Faith is not reality

          • JimH

            I didn’t feel it, touch it, see it or smell it when the dentist used X-rays to check my teeth. By your definition there are no X-rays.
            You claim faith is not reality. That is false. Many people have faith, therefore it is real.

            Somethings people have faith in, like the Obama administration, will disappoint them, but that faith is real.
            Many things God created can be seen, heard, felt, and smelled, take you for example.

          • Robert Peterson

            God created ? Hmmm.
            If that’s what you believe then carry on.

          • JimH

            So you think all that is here happened by one big accident, with no guiding hand?
            Every ingredient needed to create life was floating around in space and just on it’s own mixed together in just the right amounts. On a planet the right distance from the sun. Just one big coincidence?

            Then some of it went off to make two different genders of thousands of different species, (because DNA just happened) so they could procreate. All by itself. No guidance at all.
            Since you don’t really refute all of the things I post, and only come up with the, “if that’s what you believe, then carry on” response. Shall I take it as you can’t refute it and choose to ignore it?
            Faith and undetectable X-rays are reality.

          • Robert Peterson

            Let me guess you don’t believe in “Evolution”.
            So why create the dinosaur age, the ice age the neanderthal period to create the almost perfect human being. God didn’t create the Earth then create man why would it take millions of years before we existed in reality when your book says it was done in 7 days.You believe in your God I don’t simple as that.

          • JimH

            I never said I don’t believe in evolution.
            Do you believe that something as complicated as evolution happens all on its own, without any guidance?
            God has all of eternity, a few million years,he has the time.
            You can believe that all the things happening around you can happen by complete accident, as far fetched as that is, but you can’t even imagine there is a God.
            Have you ever at one time considered that God exists and after weighing what you believe are the facts, came to that conclusion? Or did you slam your mind shut from the beginning?
            I know I didn’t just blindly follow. I looked around before I came up with what I believe and Know to be true.

          • vicki

            And should reality just happen to include a Creator?

          • Average_Joe56

            Would you know “reality” if you saw it?….Sorry, I didn’t mean to confuse you……

          • JimH

            Pardon me. I thought the definition of someone who didn’t believe in God is Atheist. Should I refer to you as Agnostic?
            Are you willing to bet your eternal soul that there is no God, Satan, Heaven or Hell?
            Satan is the Great Deceiver. The biggest lie he told is he doesn’t exist.(and you fell for it)
            Unfortunately if you wait until you die to find out, it’s to late.

          • Robert Peterson

            What is an eternal soul? Could it be another reference to something man made? Again there is no proof we have a soul or a spirit.The biggest lie he told is he doesn’t exist.(and you fell for it) huh? Who is he besides a character in the fairy tale book they call the Holy Bible? Why don’t you refer to me by name since that’s the only label I must carry. Why do we need to label people in the first place, why do we carry labels could it be used as a means to categorize someone on their beliefs or to put them in a group other than yours? Is your group far superior to another’s because of what you believe or don’t. Why must we label people at all?

          • JimH

            Hi Robert, A soul is not man made, but every man and woman has one. Are you soulless, Robert?

            You label me as a “fool” for my belief. Why do you “label” me? “Just words written on paper, spoken from the mouths of fools” Your words, Robert.

            The superior one in our conversation is God, not me or even to your shock and disbelief, you.

            Robert, you”categorize” the Holy Bible as a fairytale book.

            Why must you categorize?

            There are groups of people that have similar ideas and beliefs and we do give them names or “labels”.Atheists,Christians, Jews, Americans, Russians.

            It’s easier than having to remember all of their names,Robert.

            By the way you sounded bitter before I said anything to you, so it is from being an Atheist, not being accused of it.

          • Robert Peterson

            You have a right to your opinion. If you feel I’m bitter than so be it. As I have a right to mine

          • independent thinker

            While you say there is no proof we have a soul and there is no proof there is a God neither can you provide scientific proof there is not a God and we have no soul.

          • Average_Joe56

            ” Again there is no proof we have a soul or a spirit.”
            (punctuation is a plus)

            AND….There is also no proof that we don’t have a soul or a spirit…so, what’s your point?

            It seems kind of silly to look at one side of a coin and ignore the fact that there is another side to that coin…..
            I guess it just depends on point of view….which is why I tend to look at things from many different angles…rather than from a singular point of view…. maybe you should try that out sometime?…Nah…carry on……

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Actually, ancient history from around the world would tell you differently. If there was no God why would people need to make gods for themselves. Why waste time and energy and resources making up loathsome statues and images and buildings and priests/priestesses.

          • MichaelLust

            Status, Nadzieja. Religion is very useful to people who want to control the behavior of other people… they say “It isn’t ME giving you this order. It comes from God!”. If the people can be persuaded to believe this, you can then get whatever you want from them… wealth, status, power. You can even get them to go to war for you, kill or die for you… so long as they believe you speak for God. We KNOW that most primitive religions were complete bunk, that neither Thor nor Zeus is tossing lighting bolts from the sky, that the world isn’t really resting on the back of a giant tortoise, etc. The religions that have endured are those that could not be refuted easily, but they are just as bogus as those that have been universally abandoned. And they still serve the same ends for those who advocate them, as sources of status, influence and wealth.

          • vicki

            you can do all that without blaming God or religion. Just point a gun at them. Governments to it all the time.

        • Alan

          How can you look at the White House and not believe in Satan ?

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Robert Peterson,

      You write: “One must first believe there is such a thing as God before one can go to Hell…” While belief in God is a prerequisite for going to Heaven, it is not a prerequisite for going to Hell.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Robert Peterson

        Awesome.
        So you say there’s a heaven and that’s it because you say so it becomes so. You say we have a soul and a spirit because your Bible tells you so. If that’s what you believe then so be it. I don’t believe as you do or many of your readers. I’m surprised no ones accused me of being a Liberal since I don’t believe in your God. What’s wrong you don’t believe there’s a such thing as a Conservative non believer in your God. Do you have a label for that too? Just wondering.

        • vicki

          The origionalDave is not a believer but we don’t accuse him of being liberal. If you get accused of being liberal it will be because of what you profess to support about government.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Robert Peterson,

          This comment is so much nonsense. A tip: punctuation makes sentences clear.

          You write: “What’s wrong you don’t believe there’s a such thing as a Conservative non believer in your God.” Non sequitur.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Robert Peterson

            LOL yes it is.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You actually believe there is a God and you are bothered by his existence. Why waste time denying something that does not exist or even being bothered by people who believe in his existence.

    • vicki

      Though you are welcome to not believe in spite of an entire universe of evidence to the contrary I would like you to at least consider Pascal’s wager.

    • vicki

      Robert Peterson writes:

      There is no such place.No heaven or hell no God no Satan all characters made up in a fairy tale perpetuated by man nothing more. NEXT!!

      And then wonders why people think he is an atheist.

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist

      “If the shoe fits” as they say.

  • dan

    let’s see :
    statistical gun-violence vs sexual predation ,bullying and abuse by union teachers against minors…,

  • VictorLandry

    Lady, I dare you to come to Texas and say the gun owners are going to hell. First, everyone will laugh in your face and then you’ll be tared and feathered and ridden out of the state on a rail.

    • Jeff

      How about if Texas became the repository for all the guns in the country? You guys could attack the Alamo on a daily basis.

      • vicki

        argument to ridicule

      • Don 2

        Jeff…..another example of one of your “goofy” responses.

  • Warrior

    And yesterday, Chicago teacher’s union prez, Karen lewis, claimed the cause of all the black students problems in Chicago the fault of “white elitists” making all the decisions about these black children’s edumacation. Ya know, she’s absolutely correct. Who’s been in charge of Chicago for the past hundred years? “Progressive Whites”. So Karen, tell “your” people to stop voting em in.

  • Don 2

    “When dictators come to power, the first thing they do is take away the people’s weapons…..I do not believe that [our nation's leaders] have any desire to impose a dictatorship upon us. But this does not mean that such will always be the case. A nation rent internally, as ours has been in recent years, is always ripe for a ‘man on a white horse.’ A deterrent to that man, or to any man seeking unlawful power, is the knowledge that those who oppose him are not helpless.” ~ Ronald Reagan

    • Jeff

      I believe Reagan favored some gun control measures. Did that make him Pol Pot? We are not helpless but it’s not because you have a gun. If there’s a coup, do you really think your gun will be of any use in fighting it?

      • Don 2

        Jeff says, “We are not helpless but it’s not because you have a gun.” Please enlighten Jeff, if as you stated, we are not helpless, but it’s not because of our guns, then why are we not helpless? Is it because you are pretty good chucking a spear?

        • Jeff

          If we descend to the level where you need a gun to fight the government, you’re screwed. We have not been in that position because thus far it has been unthinkable to overthrow the government by force. Once it ceases to be “unthinkable,” some general may do it. So, watch the loose vigilante talk of forcibly removing the President from the White House.

          If you have a dispute with the Government, a good lawyer will do you a lot more good than your gun. That’s right, one of those leftist lawyers from the ACLU that you so love to hate will defend your right to say crazy stuff better than any gun.

          • WTS/JAY

            The ACLU? You’re such an idiot!

          • Jeff

            Words simply fail me in describing the depth of my disappointment over your disapproval.

          • Don 2

            Apparently, a Ronald Reagan quote has now become loose vigilante talk/crazy stuff worthy of censorship in your warped little liberal statist mindset.

            Too bad all those leftist ACLU lawyers weren’t around during Hitler’s reign of terror. By your logic, or lack of it, they would have prevented the Holocaust, ya think?

            For the record, I don’t need a lecture from some two-bit liberal drudge regarding what I can or cannot say.

          • Jeff

            If that’s how you read my post, then it’s no mystery that you post such nonsense. If Reagan were around today, you’d call him a RINO or something equally stupid. If you think guns would have stopped Hitler, I pity you. Hitler was a product of people like you. He hated not just Jews and Gypsies but communists, progressives, modern art, modern (“Jewish”) science/physics, and liberal politicians in the Weimar Republic. Sound familiar?

          • Don 2

            Jeff, you really are a nut case, jumping from post to post, inserting goofy responses to anything and everything that doesn’t fit your Hussain Obama agenda.

            P.S. – When the SHTF, given a choice between 200,000 of your ACLU lawyers or 200,000 AR-15’s, I’m pretty sure the Warsaw Jews would have chosen the AR-15’s.

          • Jeff

            I don’t know how to respond to you as anything sensible that anyone says is judged by you to be “goofy.” You represent the outer 1% of the right wing of American politics. Take your guns, move to Montana, and threaten everyone who comes within 10 miles as another Hitler.

          • Don 2

            It’s really pretty simple Jeff. You don’t know how to respond because you have a hatred for the 2nd. Amendment and 2nd. Amendment supporters, and you cannot put forth a logical, justifiable, sensible argument to defend your position. So, in lieu of a credible argument, you respond with another one of your “goofy” responses, “Take your guns, move to Montana, and threaten everyone who comes within 10 miles as another Hitler.

          • Jeff

            Your nutty attitude has nothing to do with any well regulated militia. You want to abrogate to yourself the “right” to take on and overthrow any government you consider tyrannical and in your humble opinion that means any Democratic President. Your casual references to Hitler with the implication that any politician you disagree with is a tyrant constitutes the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that damages representative democracy and can enable the rise of real tyrants. I thought W was the worst president in American history, but not on my worst day would I compare him to Hitler. On these blogs, that comparison is made daily involving Obama. It’s sick and it demeans history.

          • Don 2

            You poor baby, is everybody picking on your Obama? Awh…..

          • Jeff

            To paraphrase Jack, go sell crazy someplace else.

          • CommonSense4America

            You might get an insight as to why we have the Second Amendment if you will Google “Athens Tennesee 1946″. The overthrow of the government has been unthinkable,,,until lately. We have not had a need to,,,YET!!!

      • vicki

        much more use than no guns.

  • william huffman

    Must be the new fuzzy math they’re teaching the kids these days. Last I heard 90% of the people don’t agree on ANYTHING, especially more gun control laws. In fact, the last vote in congress said otherwise. Maybe she can spend more time trying to get congress to enforce the laws already on the books, or talking to criminals about obeying the laws. At least then she will be talking to people that she KNOWS will tell her to pee up a rope, and even make her believe it’s raining.

    • Steve Harper

      Maybe she should start in Chicago, with talking to criminals about giving up their guns that is!

      • Average_Joe56

        Be sure to read till the end. I’ve never heard it explained better.

        Illinois:

        A wonderful State with ZERO Republicans

        Here’s the Chicago chain of command:

        . President: Barack Hussein Obama

        . Senator: Dick Durbin

        . House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

        . Governor: Pat Quinn

        . House leader: Mike Madigan

        . Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

        . Mayor: Rohm Emanuel

        . The leadership in Illinois – all Democrats.

         

        There are more people on Welfare in Illinois than there are people working. You can’t blame that on republicans because there aren’t any.

        Chicago pays a higher wage to teachers than anywhere else in the U.S. averaging $110,000/year.

        Chicago school system is rated one of the worst in the country. Can’t blame Republicans; there aren’t any! .

        Their pensions average 80-90% of their income. You can’t blame that on republicans because there aren’t any.

        State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country. Can’t blame Republicans; there aren’t any!

        Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. Can’t blame Republicans; there aren’t any! .

        Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago .

        221 killed in the middle east AND Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the entire US.

        Thank you for the combat zone… Chicago .

        Of course, they’re all blaming each other

        Can’t blame Republicans; there aren’t any!

        George Ryan is no longer Governor, he is in the big house.

        . Of course he was replaced by Rob Blajegovitch who is…that’s right, also in the big house.

        . And Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. resigned a few weeks ago. That’s because he is trying…not to be sent to…that’s right, the big house.

        The Land of Lincoln , where our governors make our license plates.

        Wow, are Illinois and Chicago great places, or what?

        This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . And he is going to ‘fix’ Washington politics for us???

        As long as they keep providing entitlements to the population of Chicago , nothing is going to change, except the state will go broke, long before the rest of the country does.

        Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?

        I am pretty sure that if you look real close, you’ll find the same (Democratic embedded) leadership in any major city in the US that is currently in the crapper…. economically and morally…The Democratic vision of Utopia is working it’s magic. Be afraid, be VERY afraid…….. For they know not, what they do….

        • wavesofgrain

          Love it!!! And the same thing in Detroit Michigan…no republicans!!

      • Jeff

        How do you think criminals get guns? They buy or steal them from the same stream of commerce that provides them to the “good” people.

        • TNSteve

          But thats wrong. According to a DOJ study 80% of criminals obtained their firearms in an illegal manner (stealing straw purchase black market etc) While yes technically all guns are “Legal” at some point the second a person buys a gun for a criminal that is a crime (straw purchase) When selling privately person to person you don’t need to do a background check because that is our right as citizens but it is required by law to have reasonable cause to believe they are legally allowed to own a firearm. The private sales is what the UBGChecks were focused at and any one willing to sell to a criminal will not be like “well i have to do a background check now sorry” they will just break the law and make an illegal sale. All UBGChecks was was a very cleverly worded way to get around the ban on making a gun registry and I am basing that on the text of the bill not crazy “tinfoil hat” speculation.

          • Jeff

            My point was regardless whether a gun is legally purchased, it started off “legal.” Sometimes in these discussions it appears a given that criminals will always get guns. Certainly that’s true currently in the U.S. because it’s so easy to get a gun and there are so many of them. If they were scarce, the Mafia might have them but street punks wouldn’t.

            As for gun dealers acting illegally, why not just do away with the requirement that car dealers not monkey with the odometer. A few unscrupulous used car dealers will do it anyway, so why bother? I think most gun dealers are either honorable enough, or sufficiently worried about their licenses, to avoid selling to ineligible buyers.

          • WTS/JAY

            You’re insane!

          • JeffH
          • Jeff

            Such eloquence. And punctuation to boot. You must teach writing at Arkansas State.

          • Don 2

            Jeff, there you go again with another one of your “goofy” responses.

          • Jeff

            Don, you take yourself so seriously. Sometimes, the only way to respond to abject idiocy is through humor.

          • Jeff

            And I suppose in your right wing world “You’re insane!” constitutes a serious response. I’ve seen too many monosyllabic responses from Jay to not comment on his lack of ability to express an actual thought. So sue me! I feel like I’ve walked onto the set of “Deliverance” with you wackos.

          • vicki

            too bad the ATF isn’t as scrupulous

    • Jeff

      Which laws might those be? The Repugs will not permit the appointment of anyone to head the ATF making enforcement difficult. The provision placing the Senate in that position was snuck into the Patriot Act in 2006 by Senator Sensenbrenner. Republicans and the NRA are against the enforcement of any laws concerning guns.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/11/free-the-atf-from-the-gun-lobby.html

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/17/1179688/-Must-see-Jon-Stewart-exposes-how-the-NRA-GOP-PREVENT-the-ATF-from-enforcing-current-gun-laws

      • vicki

        Since all laws that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms are unconstitutional the Republicans and the NRA are just upholding the Constitution.

  • william huffman

    Besides, we know the bible tell us not to judge. Guess we know what God has in store for her later, and I don’t think it’s an air conditioned class room.

  • william huffman

    these are typical liberal progressive tactics. we asked you for it and you didn’t give it to us. We told you to give it to us and you didn’t. Now we’reDEMANDING IT, so you have to give it to us. Lady, if you want my gun, all you gotta do is come to my house and take it, if you think you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Don 2

    If you blame the decline of America on:

    Gun Owners

    Christians

    Tea Partiers

    Home Schooling

    Meat Eaters

    Rednecks

    Veterans

    Hunters

    Congratulations!

    You are what’s wrong with this country
    ~ Anonymous

  • Nadzieja Batki

    How would Eskalon Garcia know who is going to Hell? By not agreeing with her ideology?

  • Nadzieja Batki

    What a Bully and a Thug she is.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Spelled her name wrong: Eskelson Garcia

  • Liberty for All

    This is just another Liberal that knows nothing about god but that no surprise .

  • Don 2

    NRA-ILA Anti-Gun Legislation Fact Sheet
    http://www.NRAILA.org/GunControlFactSheet

  • Bill

    Kind of makes me want to get out the check book and donate more money to the NRA.
    Do the same, folks. The more money we give to the NRA, the more politicians we can buy. And that is how the game is played

  • Average_Joe56

    It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.

    Robert A. Heinlein

    Fight back…Pull your kids from school and put these idiots in the unemployment line….Home school!!! Teach your children “your values” and “your morals”. If you have trouble in some subjects, get with other parents in your neighborhood (someone can help, trust me) and teach your children what they need to pass state exams….and do so without interference and propaganda from outside sources. It is time to raise our own children….the alternative is…. these idiots……the choice is ours… make it wisely.

    • Jeff

      I remember when Al Bundy taught his son everything he had learned about life. “Don’t be a shoe salesman and never get married.” I’m sure you can also teach your kids many wonderful things.

      • Average_Joe56

        ” I’m sure you can also teach your kids many wonderful things.”
        Judging from your usual postings….sadly, the same can’t be said of you…..

        • Jeff

          OK, Al, I’ll be in for my 101/2 Nikes tomorrow.

          • Average_Joe56

            Which one would you prefer? Left or right?
            Bend over, I’ll be happy to oblige you….but you’ll have to drive to the hospital…since one of my 10 1/2’s will be buried in your backside. But hey, if that’s the way you roll…..

          • Jeff

            Al, I know you played high school football and all, but aren’t you a bit old for that stuff?

          • Don 2

            Jeff…..another “Goofy” response, void of substance.

      • Don 2

        Another “goofy” response from Jeff.

  • Warkhan

    She is obviously to stupid to be part of the educational system. she lacks facts so here are some to consider:

    From the World Health Organization:

    The latest Murder Statistics for the world: Murders per 100,000 citizens

    Honduras 91.6
    El Salvador 69.2
    Cote d’lvoire 56.9
    Jamaica 52.2
    Venezuela 45.1
    Belize 41.4
    US Virgin Islands 39.2
    Guatemala 38.5
    Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
    Zambia 38.0
    Uganda 36.3
    Malawi 36.0
    Lesotho 35.2
    Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
    Colombia 33.4
    South Africa 31.8
    Congo 30.8
    Central African Republic 29.3
    Bahamas 27.4
    Puerto Rico 26.2
    Saint Lucia 25.2
    Dominican Republic 25.0
    Tanzania 24.5
    Sudan 24.2
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
    Ethiopia 22.5
    Guinea 22.5
    Dominica 22.1
    Burundi 21.7
    Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
    Panama 21.6
    Brazil 21.0
    Equatorial Guinea 20.7
    Guinea-Bissau 20.2
    Kenya 20.1
    Kyrgyzstan 20.1
    Cameroon 19.7
    Montserrat 19.7
    Greenland 19.2
    Angola 19.0
    Guyana 18.6
    Burkina Faso 18.0
    Eritrea 17.8
    Namibia 17.2
    Rwanda 17.1
    Mexico 16.9
    Chad 15.8
    Ghana 15.7
    Ecuador 15.2
    North Korea 15.2
    Benin 15.1
    Sierra Leone 14.9
    Mauritania 14.7
    Botswana 14.5
    Zimbabwe 14.3
    Gabon 13.8
    Nicaragua 13.6
    French Guiana 13.3
    Papua New Guinea 13.0
    Swaziland 12.9
    Bermuda 12.3
    Comoros 12.2
    Nigeria 12.2
    Cape Verde 11.6
    Grenada 11.5
    Paraguay 11.5
    Barbados 11.3
    Togo 10.9
    Gambia 10.8
    Peru 10.8
    Myanmar 10.2
    Russia 10.2
    Liberia 10.1
    Costa Rica 10.0
    Nauru 9.8
    Bolivia 8.9
    Mozambique 8.8
    Kazakhstan 8.8
    Senegal 8.7
    Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
    Mongolia 8.7
    British Virgin Islands 8.6
    Cayman Islands 8.4
    Seychelles 8.3
    Madagascar 8.1
    Indonesia 8.1
    Mali 8.0
    Pakistan 7.8
    Moldova 7.5
    Kiribati 7.3
    Guadeloupe 7.0
    Haiti 6.9
    Timor-Leste 6.9
    Anguilla 6.8
    Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
    Lithuania 6.6
    Uruguay 5.9
    Philippines 5.4
    Ukraine 5.2
    Estonia 5.2
    Cuba 5.0
    Belarus 4.9
    Thailand 4.8
    Suriname 4.6
    Laos 4.6
    Georgia 4.3
    Martinique 4.2
    And
    The United States 4.2
    ALL 107 countries above America have 100% gun bans

    • Jeff

      They also have barely-functioning governments. How about making the comparison to Western Democracies. I’m sure you can see yourself living in Venezuela or Haiti! How about England, France, Germany, Australia? Places Americans might actually visit.

      • TNSteve

        contrary to popular belief those countries are not that safe. Yeah they have lower “gun violence” but you can’t look at only violent crime done with guns(unless you believe that someone mugged/murdered with a gun is some how worse than with a knife,bat, or a group of people unarmed. Fun fact allot of anti-gun people actually believe that) but all violent crime. While the US has higher gun crime per capita its violent crime is fairly low(especially outside of poor densely populated cities) and has been steadily dropping for the past 20 years while most EU countries that ban firearms have and increase in violent crime(hell in the UK to buy “sharp pointy assault kitchen knives” you need to present a valid ID and be 18). In countries like France and Germany(along with many other western European nations) if you happen to travel outside of the tourist areas that misrepresent the safety of the nation you may just find yourself mugged stabbed killed or even kidnapped by one of the many human traffickers that prey on tourist and sold as a sex slave same as any other shady american city(albeit with less chance of becoming a slave).

        But the fact is is that statistically(looking at all countries) guns have fairly low impact towards or against crime when compared to the 2 biggest statistical correlations and they are densely populated areas and poverty and when you combine the 2 you get areas like Chicago that are ridden with crime. So why does no one look at solving the poverty issue that will inturn result in lower violent crime (including “gun violence”)? Is it because it is to hard of a problem to fix? maybe. Or because It will cost to much money? Considering how much the gov waste also not likely(not that it is the govs position to solve poverty) Or is it just because the political and economic elite that are crying kicking and screaming for gun control just don’t want us peasants to have the ability to remove them from power(when all peaceful options inevitably fail) so they can continue stealing from us and taking away our rights and retain their power for as long as possible? Considering that this has happened many times throughout history and humans never change im leaning towards this one. Even with that last example if you think that right now the people in our gov would never go full tyrannical and are the most wonderful people ever would you want to give them the power to do so and let a future administration abuse that power to take away all of our rights with ease? I for one don’t and that is why we need to hold on to our rights all of them especially the 1st 2nd and 4th amendments because once they are gone we will never get them back.

  • TheSilverRanger

    Wait a minute…Netroots Nation. Aren’t those guys affiliated with FreeSpeechTV and Democracy Now?

  • ONTIME

    I can wait to go to hell but to let the libs and commies create hell on earth in my time, in my country is the reason why the right to carry is pro life…..

    • Jeff

      Yes. Anytime I’m in White Trash Country and everybody has a gunrack, a Confederate bumper sticker, and a really big gut, I think, “This is what Heaven must be like.”

      • vicki

        Jeff writes:

        Anytime I’m in White Trash Country…..

        Argument to ridicule / ad hominem

      • WTS/JAY

        Yes. Any time i read your racist and hateful posts, I get to thinking, “Hell must be a place filled with people like Jeff.”

        • Jeff

          You could just punch a few more holes in your belt, Jay. But how does the belly get so big when you have no teeth?

          • Don 2

            True to form, another one of your “goofy” responses Jeffrey.

      • Don 2

        Another typical “goofy” Jeffrey non-argument.

  • Roger

    Gun LOVERS or LOVERS of any inanimate object or tool have a problem ( I am being facetious) but these fundamentalists are talking about people who LOVE their FREEDOM and part of that freedom must be the RIGHT to protect that freedom, which includes owning weapons such as Guns. It is our NATURAL RIGHT.The consititution is only a derivative of COMMON LAW which is a derivative of NAURAL RIGHTS. Laws are only ABROGATIONS of our Natural Rights. Laws are the CAUSE and reason why we are having this battle for freedom right now with usurpers who create and use laws to steal Life,Liberty and Property from us.

  • Fedup

    Wrong, liberal fool!

  • mnkysnkle

    Another liberal idiot with another one of those 90% quotes. Which raises the question. How did those 90% in favour of more gun control get hoodwinked by those krazy konservatives to support the 2nd.? Must’ve been that dastardly “common sense” thing.

  • mnkysnkle

    Another liberal idiot with another one of those 90% quotes. Which raises the question. How did those 90% in favour of more gun control get hoodwinked by those krazy konservatives to support the 2nd.? Must’ve been that dastardly “common sense” thing.

  • richcarro

    If they read the constitution and taught it to the children then they would know that they are on the wrong side of history. Keep teaching your liberal dribble and keep your students in the dark. And while your at it, teach the violence that was used by the unions to get where they are today. So don’t give us any of your bull that you are concerned about our children. How about all the perverts that can’t be fired because of tenure. Your nothing more then a bunch of phonies.

  • CommonSense4America

    The teachers union doesn’t give a rats @$$ about “our babies”. Most of them are Pro Choice and are just fine with baby killings. More babies are killed each day from abortion than twenty Sandy Hooks and you don’t hear teachers crying about this horror. It seems that most teachers are just too stupid to know a real gun as opposed to a kid with a pop tart. They are also too stupid to know that it takes a good person with a gun to stop a bad person with a gun.

  • wavesofgrain

    One of the greatest tragedies of this country was to allow Unionization of Public Employees. We now have a political Mafia indoctrinating our children, selling the government’s propaganda to their parents with Obamacare, etc.