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Tea Party, Taxpayers: Buzz Off, Whiners

October 14, 2011 by  

Tea Party, Taxpayers: Buzz Off, Whiners

As the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement drags on, it has prompted criticism from its more established and goal-oriented political cousin, the Tea Party, and another group that says it is “the 53 percent.”

A Tea Party-related website published an article entitled “Occupy Wall Street? They’re No Tea Partiers” earlier this week to ensure that its opinion of the movement is known. The piece proclaims that the Tea Party has nothing against Wall Street corporations; instead, it is dissatisfied with the government that props up corporations when they fail. Tea Partiers say the Occupiers have missed the point about why Wall Street is corrupt: Government is too involved in financial markets.

“…[T]hose occupying Wall Street and other cities, when they are intelligible, want less of what made America great and more of what is damaging to America: a bigger, more powerful government to come in and take care of them so they don’t have to work like the rest of us who pay our bills.”

The OWS movement was also the catalyst behind a website that mocks the message of the so-called 99 percent, who believe they are abused by the 1 percent of Americans who are allegedly super wealthy. The new group has launched a website to counter the OWS message. We Are The 53% says it represents: “Those of us who pay for those of you who whine about all of that… or that… or whatever.”

The website is said to represent the 53 percent of Americans who pay Federal income taxes. It assumes that the Wall Street protesters — who are camped out during regular working hours — are part of the 47 percent of the country who do not. While the 53 percent may not be attracting as much mainstream media attention as the OWS crowd, the messages posted by its supporters are strong and clear: “Shut up,” “get a job,” “the taxes I pay support you,” etc.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    How many of the OWSers have jobs that are being neglected, how many of them are teachers/union members, parents or claim to serve a purpose in life? If they haven’t yet figured out that they’re being played (willingly or otherwise) by Lerner and Soros, they might as well be cleaning gorilla cages at a zoo or cleaning toilets in public rest rooms.

    • JeffH

      Hear Hear!

    • Karolyn

      EVERYBODY serves a prpose in life!

      • David

        No, way to many people are just wastes of air.

        • Average Joe

          Even they serve a purpose…to be a waste of space….lol

    • http://yahoo olerocker

      I am still trying to find out who the one percent are and where they are…..there are millions of millionares and billionares in the country…..counting the drug cartels, mafia, gangbangers, then we to the ball stars, actors, ect….just who are the 1% who are to blame by the weed parties. They have never decided yet?

    • http://naver samurai

      Well said. Though they’ll probably complain about the pay not being enough for them to work there. Many of these people, in my opinion, are there for reasons other than they state. If you have a protest at a college or university, not all the students attending are there for the reason behind it. These people are the same. If you need Soros, Michael “Fat Boy” Moore, and other dreggs of society to give support to your cause, then it is not a real cause, just political nonsense. Remember Bush tried to get regulation passed dealing with the banks and Wall Street. Unfortunately the libs voted against it. So now shouldn’t we be saying to ourselves “Who really is to blame for the mess our nation’s economy is in now?” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Doc Sarvis

    Here is an excellent series of charts from a pro-business site that illustrates many problems most of us are concerned about:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10#lets-start-with-the-obvious-unemployment-three-years-after-the-financial-crisis-the-unemployment-rate-is-still-at-the-highest-level-since-the-great-depression-except-for-a-brief-blip-in-the-early-1980s-1

    The link is long enough that you may have to paste it into your browser.

    • DanB

      Three years unemployment? Interesting. Did you know that if you get outside of propaganda that tells us of the wonders of the New Deal and all that, you actually find that government intervention actually extended the unemployment and length of the Great Depression. We have the government promoting “shovel ready” jobs once again. So if we repeat what extended the Great Depression, should we be surprised if we extend our Great Recession? Same actions can produce the same results. Perhaps we should try less government for a change? That is when the Great Depression really ended (after the world war because several indicators were hid by the war economy but actually persisted throughout the war…).

      Jobs scarce? See government. As in too much government actually extended Great Depression hindering actual job growth and economy. And we are repeating it because we have been taught that government programs are what saved America in the Great Depression….

      Do you catch a theme here? I don’t expect Americans to anymore. We have been taught repeatedly that government is the solution, that government can fix things, or at least put a nice bandaid on our boo-boo. Government is the problem. World history shows that America crawled through an extended Great Depression because we had the most intrusive government intervention. Everyone else had recovered, moved on, created whole new problems and even started what would become the second World War while we were busy still trying to “fix” our economy.

      And the irony of the complaints, many of us conservatives knew that as government propped up home sales for those who could not afford it, we knew there would be a price to pay someday. As government bails out businesses, we knew that this would stop investors from making their own decisions about risk. And we knew that as we continue to spend more than we earn, that the debt will ripple throughout the economy until it grinds to a halt…. And what do those who are just now realizing that government intervention is creating a rotten economy want? They want more government, not less. We are doomed. Doomed to tyranny. And doomed to poverty by own greed, corruption, and stubbornness. We are a nation of fools. For greed is not just a disease of the rich. Greed is no respecter of persons, or status. From politicians to the poor on the street. Why are these college kids so upset and worked up? Because they made bad choices and they don’t want to pay the price for them. Because they want now what most of us take a lifetime to achieve. They live a fairy tale, a fantasy.

      • eddie47d

        The older Wall Street protesters are angry about the volatility of the stock market and how their retirement have been devastated.The golden years won’t be so golden. The unemployed are angry about jobs and the inaction from Washington and the private sector.Congress and the private job creators are no where to be found. The college youth are angry about the rising costs of education which makes it harder to stay in college. When they get out they are so in debt they have to keep living with their parents for years beyond anything normal.The Tea Party folks were and are angry about tax burdens and a heavy handed government. Then we have the continual Middle East wars which seem to go no where. That makes for a volatile mix and an angry society whether left,right or in the middle. Its like a civil war without the shooting.

        • DanB

          While I feel bad for those who are losing their retirements, unfortunately some of us who actually read books by those who understood money and markets, well, we knew this was going to happen. And we watched the politicians, the media, and the American people sell the idea that this would never happen. Should I feel sad that reality caught up with them? No, I don’t. Do I think I should care for them? Yes, as much as I can. Not as much as the government can. There is a difference. Now my means are very meager, and because of government regulations I cannot legally offer the only thing I have to offer (which is to share the roof over my head and a chair at our table). And if I had the means, I would have to comply with awful government regs on what aid I can and cannot offer to those in need….

          The problem I have with all the anger is that everyone so angry about their lost retirements are probably going to sacrifice the freedoms of the nation they claim to love all because they need to satisfy their sense of justice. Those kids on Wall Street protesting will probably sacrifice the freedoms of the economic system they protest against, because they believe it will give them the privileges they believe they deserve.

          The only party of angry individuals that I see right now who actually make an effort to preserve freedoms despite their anger is the Tea Party, Libertarians, and Constitutional Conservatives. I choose to throw in with these groups of angry citizens. Only in the freedoms under a limited government is there hope to provide for the elderly, the sick, the afflicted,… and even those deluded protesters on Wall Street (after they learn some hard lessons in “The School of Life”). I look at the others, ponder the costs of what they seek, and realize that not only will they not likely get what they seek ultimately but the cost will be terrible and the resulting tyranny will be inescapable.

      • Karolyn

        Dan Why are these college kids so upset and worked up? Because they made bad choices and they don’t want to pay the price for them.”

        They haven’t even had time to make any bad choices yet! Why not they are upset because they have nowhere to go with their education?

        • DanB

          Have they lived long enough to make stupid choices? YES!!! I was old enough to make some really dumb choices when I was about ten, and again when I was sixteen. I even flunked out of college for failure to do my homework, excusing myself on being “burned out”. I even made some stupid financial choices using credit cards, but I never took out any student loans so it was never over ~3k.

          I learned from my mistakes. I paid off my debts. I worked at a gas station. I learned what a difference debt-free can make. I made less than the accountant, but at one point I did not “need” nearly three months of paychecks which absolutely boggled their mind–they insisted I deposit the checks so they could balance their books. I did not choose automatic deposit at that time and it was a liberating feeling to know that I did not need the money on those checks in my wallet. Then someone convinced me again that I ought to “restore” my credit rating by getting a loan (for something that I had the cash for). How quickly I went back to living from paycheck-to-paycheck. So, I made not only the mistake once, but twice before thirty, believing the mainstream philosophy on money and debt. By the time I met my wife and got married, I was resolved to live debt-free. We paid off a lot of her debt at marriage and worked hard to pay her car off early. Losing my job and being unemployed for a year set us back hard, and we even ended up falling back on bankruptcy. It hurt. But I am employed now, and have been for three years in IT. We only have my wife’s student loans and a medical bill yet to pay off now. And, we are sending me to classes WITHOUT incurring any new debt–cash, paid in full.

          So are they old enough to have made mistakes? Yes. Are they old enough to learn from them? Yes. Do they choose to learn from them? No. Do we tell them that they ought to wake up and get a life? Apparently not.

          Not all lessons in life have a classroom with four walls, a roof, a teacher, and a desk.

          • Song

            thank you DanB. great post

          • Christin

            DanB,

            Well said… thank you for your comments.

          • http://naver samurai

            Great post. Hope to see more of them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DanB,
            Just having credit is not the root to all evil that you make it out to be. I have bought cars on payments, bought a house on a loan, have three credit cards and am not in debt one iota! My house is paid off, cars are free n clear, and I pay my credit cards off, in full, every month. The enemy you speak of is unmanageable credit, buying more than you can afford. I don’t live paycheck to paycheck and never have. I even manage to save a few bucks each and every month. I only depend on two people, my wife of 35 years and MYSELF!!

          • DanB

            Too bad the government and US citizens (on average) don’t understand the difference between credit and debt. By the way, there are too very good credit ratings depending on your point of view.

            My wife has better a credit rating then I do. She also has no income except what my job brings into the house.

      • Karolyn

        Dan – “Why are these college kids so upset and worked up? Because they made bad choices and they don’t want to pay the price for them.”

        They haven’t even had time to make any bad choices yet! Why not They are upset because they have nowhere to go with their education”?

        • Rayma Dorsa

          I know what happened to these kids! This Gov.stole the HISTORY from them they have no HEROS! we all need heros when we grow up and if we don’t find it in those who lived and died for this once great nation, we will find them,if not our fathers,but outsiders.They don’t know anything about Davy Crocket,or Daniel Boone,or some of the other men who died starting this country..It would make a great Comic book,of truths,all kids love comic books…lets look for the REAL HEROS,not protesting in parks,but joining the YOUNG REPUBLICANS & those trying to save America.

        • http://naver samurai

          Why did you just repeat yourself? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          P.S. Another good post DanB.

          • http://naver samurai

            I meant Rayma. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Rayma,
            The kids in the inner-city need to change what it takes to be a hero. Instead of looking at the gangsta rappers, sport figures, crooked politicians, they need to look around. Look at the fathers and mothers that have worked their fingers to the bone and stuck by their family instead of running away, no matter how hard it gets. the fathers that stood up and said those are my kids and I’m gonna make sure they are taken care of. There are their TRUE heroes!! There are the people that they should admire!!

    • Karolyn
      • Song

        Karolyn! There is no such thing as income equality! Life is NOT fair and not everyone deserves a trophy!

        • http://naver samurai

          Income equality? She must be refering to socialism and communism where everyone makes that same amount of money “0″. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            So you obviously don’t even know what I am talking about. It’s income INEQUALITY, meaning the gap between the rich and the poor.

          • Song

            I know EXACTLY what you are talking about Karolyn. Tell me, would you rather be a poor person living in the slums of India or a poor person living in America? All I can say, is that so much of the ignorance I see is because people are not well-traveled, well-read or well-educated. Again, there is no income equality and the poor are much better off here in America then virtually anyplace else in the world. In fact, they are much better off than most of the middle class in other parts of the world.

          • Song

            And I should add: I didn’t have to work today so I took some time to take a close look at the link you provided and am certain of one thing: You did not put ANY critical thought into the “facts” as presented. What a load of absolute drivel! If I had more time I could refute every single one of the slides presented. Here are some key phrases that illustrate the author’s extreme bias:

            “if it were easy to work your way into the top 1%” Implying that it should be easy to achieve success….Excuse me? When, since the beginning of time has obtaining enormous success and wealth been “easy”? The American Dream has been achieved by people like entrepreneur Henry Ford who worked tirelessly to achieve that dream. IT WAS NOT EASY!

            The author brings up debts and that the 1% don’t have any. Well, duh, really? And whose choice is it to become saddled with debt might I ask??? The entire slant of the author’s slides is that the “99%” are essentially victims to the 1%. B**Sh**t. Tell that to Gates, tell that to deceased Steve Jobs. None of them were born with a “silver spoon” in their mouths and I could site hundreds of examples of people that came from poor beginnings to grow empires through dedication, hard work and SACRIFICE. And people like you, have the audacity to suggest that you are anyone else is entitled to their earnings because there is greed and corruption in this world. SHAME ON YOU.

          • http://naver samurai

            I understand what you are saying Karolyn, but there will never be income equality in this country. Why should a person, who has worked hard all their life and has become successful, have to give up most of their money for someone who doesn’t want to work at all? The very idea is absurd and shows no intelligence whatsoever. Have many of the poor in this country graduate high school. Many of these people don’t graduate high school and the end result is a job being paid minimum wage or no job at all. You’re not entitled to anything you don’t earn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            No, you don’t get it Samurai. It is the widening gap between the haves and have-nots that is the point. It’s just the old rich get richer, while the poor get poorer scenario. “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will know peace” Jimi Hendrix

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer Karolyn. I do understand what you are saying, but you attacked me instead of trying to understand my response to you. Classic lib strategy. You don’t understand something so you go into attack mode. I don’t disagree the gap between rich and poor is getting wider, but if the poor would graduate from school, go to college, and actually work (Not receiving unconstitutional handouts) the gap would begin to narrow. Not by leaps and bounds, but it would take time. These are things the libs don’t want the poor to have. Since this being true, the gap will continues to widen without end. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – I wish you would point out to me where I attacked you?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            Every day of my working life I have gotten up at 5:30 am, made sure my family is ready for the day, gone to work, whether at home or away, worked my assets off, the last twenty years, I have gone back home, made supper, chased after my kids, cleaned, and yes washed windows. I have always done what I had to to ensure my family survives. I have seen people with four and five children go on food stamps and welfare, not work a lick, drink or do drugs all day, and wouldn’t take a job if their life depended on it. Now please explain to me why these “people” should get the same pay, goods and comforts that my work has provided me?? There will always be an un-equality, a wide gap between the haves and have-nots. This is EXACTLY as it should be in this country. This is a republic of free people, free to succeed, free to FAIL as they wish and I wouldn’t have any other way. If the “have-nots” don’t want to try to succeed, then they can depend on the benevolence of others or go the way of the wind, it is THEIR choice.

    • Patriot II

      Doc, thanks! These Charts are very interesting, but they are mostly only one Dimensional. That one dimension, (which is Surface Statistics) is only indicative of results. The reasons for the results depicted on these charts and graphs are our Quest, inasmuch as we would like to see more parity between the classes I think we can agree on that.

      Socialism (Larger government and Larger entitlements), and lack of performance based compensation is not the answer

      Don’t you agree?

  • Otto

    I agree that many, if not most, of the protesters at OWS and its branches are probably left-wing and/or public employees shirking thier jobs at union behest and/or people just looking to have a good party and who are bored with whatever non-activity in which they were previously engaged.

    There is some common ground with more conservative people, however, among those protesting the “new American socialism”, in which “Wall Street” takes excessive risk, keeping the profits if they succeed and having government (read- the American taxcpayer and the burden of inflation) bail them out if they fail, in exchange for the support they give the government power establishment oligarchy, with Immelt of GM being a primary example.

    For those just angry because they really DO want to work but who can’t get a job, they should be blaming the Obamacrats and their policies. Obama only provides temporary reprieves from Bush tax cut repeal, FICA tax reduction, etc., while businesses need to have a longer-term picture of their tax burden before considering hiring. Add the daily-increasing regulatory burden, and the major future burden of Obamacare, and no one’s going to hire unless they have a near-sure-thing opportunity to increase business volume, or until after the 2012 election. And if Obama wins re-election, there won’t be any additional hiring after that, either.

    • DanB

      The irony of their protest? Government bailed out Wall Street. Government mandated or “encouraged” some of the risks that led to the problem. But instead of wanting less government in Wall Street, the want more of the source of the problem!

      • Patriot II

        DanB, your statement: ["Government bailed out Wall Street.Government mandated or “encouraged” some of the risks that led to the problem".]

        I agree, Now let’s Dissect that and drill into to expose specifically who, and what Political Philosophy was responsible. Not all in Government were responsible. NOW it’s tiem to Point Fingers at “Them”
        in Government that pushed this.

        • Wapitiman

          Too many people are looking for the government to bail them out. If there are two million people out of work looking for the government to supply jobs, let them remember that Adolf Hitler had the same problem and he found jobs for them all..and needed a thousand more to sew uniforms.
          Be very careful what you wish for. The government is the problem, not the answer.

  • LPMILLER

    THE PEOPLE WHO ATTEND THESE MOBS ARE UNDEREDUCATED FILTH AND THE USEFUL IDIOTS OF THE LEFT. AS FOR THE TEA PARTIERS THEY ARE CLEAN CONSERNED EDUCATED AND IN THERE COUNTRY’S TRUE HISTORY AND ARE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE FRAME WORK OF THE CONSTITUION. THAT IS MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY ABOUT THE LEFT.

    • Doc Sarvis

      How about that for an unbiased, rational, and well supported position???

      • bob wire

        In caps no less! It interesting how people view the world and how they see ‘themselves’ in relation to this world. This individual sees himself in the center somewhere and pure as fresh fallen snow.

        While his posting tells us that he is anything but as he speaks of things that he knows little of.

    • Karolyn

      Nobody is better than anybody else! You sound like one of the elites talking about the “great unwashed.”

    • Patriot II

      LP, my first impression was just that, but this is much more complex. Only by understanding who has led them to this, why they think this way, is the answer to understanding why they are there. I would venture to guess that virtually none of them watch/listen to Fox News, or Listen to talk radio, but are mostly “Walking Zombies” only becuase of the Main Stream Media. I’ll bet if they knew the truth they would change. I think I want to start understadning them so I can help them change over to the Light.

      A bigger question is Why is the Mainstream Media trying to parallel them with the Tea Party.

      The Tea Party wants Less Government. These folks don’t know yet that less Governement is the answer. Let’s try to teach them.

      • Karolyn

        Patriot – I do like your rational approach. It’s nice to see another poster here who is not a name-caller and holier-than-thou. I do have to say that since becoming a regular on this site over a year ago, I have changed some of my opinions due to the posts of those who do think before they rant and provide real information in a coherent manner.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          karolyn,
          Not attacking you, but would you please state some of those ideas you have changed your mind on??

    • CP

      Mr.Miller, before opening your mouth, you first should verify what you are about to say. MOST of the protesters there are NOT uneducated, uninformed filth, as you would have us believe. Of course, not all the Tea Party people are shining symbols of charity and greatness, either. Lets not get into name calling so someone does not bless you with a name you would rather not bear.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        CP,
        Let’s look at both groups as a WHOLE. At the prog rally in DC, the area was so littered it took a week to clean it up. At the TEA party rally in DC the place was cleaner when they left than it was when they came. Both FACTS. Every where the OWS has been has been litterally TRASHED! The reason they wanted to close them down last week is so they can clean up the FILTH they have deposited in the area. Now YOU tell me which would be more welcome in your yard???

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    I like the label Ann Coulter has given these losers… The Flea Party. It really fits. They need to become responsible. I don’t like it when they are compared to the Tea Party. They may have some common ground, but not much!

    • eddie47d

      Ann Coulter has never been one to emulate either. Her treacherous potty mouth should have been flushed years ago along with Rev Wright.

      • Karolyn

        Amen! She’s just another abrasie big-mouth making bundles of money by bad-mouthing those with views opposite to hers.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Karolyn… Your statement could refer to a lot of people, and Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, Sean Penn are the first ones to come to mind…

          • Karolyn

            And? We weren’t talking about them.

          • eddie47d

            Robin is so one sided she is lopsided.

          • http://naver samurai

            You have no room to talk that way ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robin from Arcadia, In,
            karolyn and eddie only want to talk about the people THEY want to trash, get with the program!! and eddie says YOU are so one sided you’re lopsided!!! I think when he said that, he was looking in a mirror!!!

        • simian pete

          Anne Coulter is harmless, she is just a very good heckler ! Hopefully she will change her views on the benefits of radiation !

          Anyhow, the political operatives are to smart – they already neutralized Ron Paul with all this fuss over Romney, Perry and Cain.. The Repubs and Democrats work together to maintain their political hegemony ….

          What can a person do ? You step in front of a juggernaut (demopublicans) and you end up road kill. I feel bad for Ron Paul …

          So if your young – go out and demonstrate, occupy the Fed Reserve buildings , (if you can) and yell End the Fed ! SOunds like alot of fun …

      • http://naver samurai

        And this coming from someone who does personal attacks, posts no facts, nor do you post sources. Neeeeed to look in the mirror more often ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      ANDY Coulter [transgender?] is a caustic self-righteous NeoCon – broadbrushing a diverse movement by taking the WORST as normative and with abject moral BLINDNESS dismissing what the NeoCon warmongering crony capitalists have done wrong is INEQUITY -

      I have repeatedly asked the creator of Teabook.org WHY they suspended my account to get no reply – apparently because I was putting in a contrarian view to their blatant disinformation – including how they confuse Zionism with Judaism – even though I made abundantly clear – I agree with the Anti-Zionist Jews that are never given a fair hearing in our Zionist dominated media. I concur with the AZ Jews that acknowledge the war crimes and atrocities of “Israel”

      To criticize “liberalism” and not recognize that these problems originated in what David Icke calls Rothschild Zionism what I call Satanic Zionism -those are essentially the same thing – is moral blindness. The same Satanic Zionists also created the Hegelian right of crony capitalism.

      Both Hegelian ‘left’ & ‘right’ are partners in crime – ANDY Coulter is party to their LIES

    • CP

      Makes you wonder why she does so much scratching off screen.

  • Karolyn

    “Shut up,” “get a job,” “the taxes I pay support you,” etc.”

    So easy to judge. “I’M better than YOU! I like it up here on my high horse.”

    • Song

      Maybe you should become a little better informed about the 53% karolyn, before you make YOUR judgments.

    • http://naver samurai

      You have also judged others on this site Karolyn. BTW what have you done to help solve the problem you are describing? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. Good post in responding to her Song.

  • bob wire

    [T]hose occupying Wall Street and other cities, when they are intelligible, want less of what made America great and more of what is damaging to America: a bigger, more powerful government to come in and take care of them so they don’t have to work like the rest of us who pay our bills.”

    No not at all; You are attempting to tag and label them to satisfy your own bias inside the construct of your own personal perception of them.

    What make you think that they don’t pay their billing, ~ what makes you think that we do? Where did that come from? I’m left to guess that you assumed it in much the same way that you assumed their reason(s).

    I can do that too!

    Wall Street is a shell game, a gambling house. It offers us no product, and few services. It’s a place where people make and lose money on money.

    If you are an active part of this wagering house you would wish to defend it as a bookie would his activities accepting wagers and offering point spreads on up coming football games. Gambling is an obsession, an addiction.

    Wall Street make every American an enabler, where men and women play fast & loose with money matters in a game where there must be losers in order for some to be winners. In the end, it’s the American people that are left backing your bets.

    If this is not so, then why the Wall Street bailouts?

    • eddie47d

      That is why Wall Street is the symbol of what is wrong within the economic sector. They are a House of Ill Repute. They have become an equal evil twin of Washington. We aren’t immune to either of their treacherous behaviors. While one is groping us the other is picking our pockets.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        eddie… It is so rare when I agree with you! I just had to let you know!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        eddie,
        Are you living in your retirement on a company sponsored retirement plan?? Well if you truly feel that way about wall street, then DON’T ACCEPT ANOTHER CHECK!!!! BIGOT!!

    • Prosperity

      “Wall Street”, which we use as a short for the investment market, is supposed to be a market for making and offering investments. It has indeed been turned into a gambling house, and we should drive these “money changers” from the temple of Capitalism.

  • Christin

    Sam Rolley,

    There is NO WAY that the Tea Party is a “cousin” to the Occupy Wall Street Now folks… wanted to say idiots.

    As some of those mentioned before me… The Tea Party are Conservatives who want to follow the Constitution with LIMITED government who protects and defends its citizens and borders, MORE Freedom and Less Regulations, Taxes & war, NO debt, Less spending, follow Capitalism and end the fed, keep State Sovereignty, and more Personal Responsibility.

    The Occupy Wall Street Now folks are definitely misguided hippies of the 21st century… they are ignorant about the Constitution, the inner workings of this thug government and TPTB …which they think can make it all better, but instead is the problem. This group chants what others say (Pivens)like stupid sheeple instead of thinking for themselves. They are vulgar verbally and mentally and physically as they are doing things under tarps and leaving a mess…. for The City Government to clean up (to charge the tax payers)… useless idiots.

    Liberal Leftist Occupy Wall Street Now are the opposite of the Constitutional Conservative Tea Party.

    • bob wire

      I see! They are bad and we are good!

      • Song

        Bob w. karolyn..eddiieeeee….lesson for the day: There is bad and there is good and people do make better choices then other people. when people make bad choices they suffer consequences. It is not about people being “better” than other people, it is all about the choices they make.

        Did any of you bother to read the white board in the article? That would be one example of making really good choices to overcome really big challenges. Not everyone does that by virtue of human nature.

        As a studier of human nature it is a well known fact that most people will take the path of “least resistance” and that would be their own choice.

        Considering the thought process of you three and the difficulty or reading comprehension demonstrated over and over again by at least 2 of you; I am sure that this comment will just sail right over your “everyone is the same” mentality which simply is not true.

        That we have the same potential..absolutely…but that in no way makes everyone the “same”.

        • bob wire

          Well, thank you Song but I didn’t need that. My response was to Christin posting and was in pure ‘sport’ as to how he/she offered it. “Me good, you bad!

          And it seems that you are attempting to do very much the same thing with a twist “You good, me better”

          Suggesting your own level of thought and acumen might exceeding others and coming short of apologizing for it hoping to maybe easy the stinging of the inflammatory nature of it.

          Myself?, I’m doing well thank you, but what is it about you that validates your notions of elevated thought that enables you to feel comfortable in speaking in such a condescending manner?

          Don’t do that anymore and just maybe we can communicate.

        • eddie47d

          I don’t think much of your thought process either Song so I guess that puts us on the SAME level or don’t you have a clue how abrasive you are? Your a hoot Song and I am very close to being debt free so pointing out that cute little white sign is just another arrogant poke from you Sooooong!

          • Song

            to eddieee: what does your having to be debt free after what, 60 years? have to do with the comment on the white board? And, I don’t care if I am abrasive. I never claimed not to be :D After all, the truth hurts :D

          • eddie47d

            Because you said we should refer to that white board and it mentions debt. Miss persnickety,

        • bob wire

          And NO, Song, I didn’t read the white board. ~ One person’s hand written sign is not very representative of a 1000 people or 500 people Song.

          That is just a snapshot, you can use a snapshot in time and draw any conclusion that you wish and why I didn’t bother reading it.

          I take it that you did! I always the enjoy the snapshot of a huge fat lady hold up a sign that read “Don’t starve us” at a protest many years ago. You can make what you wish from a single picture.

          We are attempting to discuss the beginning of a political movement as each persons own bias allows while looking for a label.

          You have yours, others will have theirs.

          • Song

            thank you eddieee and bw for validating my claim. Your responses are exactly the ones I expected. You along with so many others have bought into the pop psychology psycho babble of the past 30-40 years that people are not responsible for their choices and look where it has gotten us! Now there’s the laugh! You can’t even respond honestly to the point made by the young person on the white board. Sad, SAD, Sad…

          • bob wire

            I’m glad we could help you feel better Song. ~ and no! I’m not responding to one persons sad story but I will respond to a collect of say ~ 40 million sad stories.

            Life is not fair, we all know that. We are all born naked and then put on the cloths. Some of us has elected to put on the cloths of a thief and cheat. It is those people was are attempting to reach.

            If you are not doing any lying, cheating and stealing you should be safe Song.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Song,
            Well said, well said!!!!

        • Karolyn

          Yes, song, I did read the white board. Unfortunately, things are not the same as they were when I was young or even when I was middle-aged. The opportunities are not out there even for those willing to look. It used to be much easier to find a job or even start a business. I have always been a self-starter and have always had a job and did something else on the side like selling on ebay or at flea markets or freelance writing, creating saleable items, etc. This is a different world. The competition is so stiff that the things that used to make me money are no longer viable. 13 years ago i could sell $1500 on ebay every month with antiques and collectibles. These days forget it! Everyone does not have the same capabilities and abilities; and in these depressed times, those wthout the necessary attributes to make it in some way are stuck in a rut. It’s easy for somebody with brains and ambition, raised in a certain way to look at someone who is the opposite and say “Look what I did! You should be able to do it too.” but that is not reality.

          When my business folded after 6 years and I went looking for a job, I was amazed at hard it was after only 6 years; and that was before the recession. Here where I live in SC, our local newspapers rarely have any jobs in the classifieds; and it’s been that way for over 3 years. Even when there were jobs, they were few and limited to a select few (mostly male). I feel very fortunate to be me and to have been able to keep my head at the water line for 4 years because I got a few breaks; and I am ever so grateful to be getting a check every two weeks for the past year. I didn’t want to take my SS early, but I had absolutely no choice; it was that or sink.

          Did you look at the link to the charts posted earlier in the day and see where the US stands in income inequality equality in the world? We are 2 steps away from South Africa! Iran has less income inequality than the US!! You make it sound so easy. You holier-than-thou people just don’t get it.

          • Song

            No karolyn, I never said it was “easy”. It’s not supposed to be “easy.” If life was “easy” then we wouldn’t learn anything. We wouldn’t grow and we would never achieve our potential. However, society has been conditioned since the 60′s that it should be “easy”. What a lie.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            did you move to your area by choice? If you chose to move to an area with no possible employment, then why is our responsibility to support YOU?? In the cleveland area today the News herald had some 15 social service jobs in it and the Plain Dealer had some 25 in it. You CHOOSE to live the life you are living.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        We are all wrong about something – the worst error is to blame the other side when both sides are doing the same fraud

        • http://deleted Claire

          Mark Dabne—Finally, good choice of words. Thank you for your common sense.

    • eddie47d

      Christin has rushed into the conquer and divide self righteous mode and everyone else (her fellow Americans)is pond scum. She doesn’t see the political problems created by the left and right. She doesn’t see the chaos coming from the heads of Wall Street or the back rooms in Washington from the Republicans and the Democrats. There are misguided people every where who could care less about anyone else.

      • Christin

        Wrong eddieeeeee,

        This is about Constitutional Conservatives (Tea Party) versus Hard Left liberals (Occupy Wall St)

        I do believe Wall Street has done wrong to the American people with this government’s blessing… your WH leader sided with Wall Street OVER Main Street in 2009 REMEMBER which builds Small businesses and Provides jobs. Large conglomerate Corporations run by the Ruling Elite and BAILED OUT by BIG Gov are NOT good for any American. (GM, Freddie Mac, Fanny ae, Mc Cain – Budweiser, John Kerry – Heinz, Nancy Pelosi – brand ? name wine and husband’s tuna…)

        The Tea Party Conservatives were polite, clean, and orderly and they came for a day to protest dressing in red, white and blue and then went home to their jobs and their lives… on the other hand, the Occupy Wall Street group is tearing up the privately owned park and WON’T get out or go home so they can clean up the mess they are making.

        Can you not see Right from Wrong???

        • Song

          No, Christin, he can’t. He, like so many others are too concerned about “feelings” without recognizing the destructive consequences of the pop psychology and psycho babble produced by well meaning idiots over the past 30 years which has led to an increase in everything from suicide to drug abuse, dysfunctional families, divorce, broken families and adults that never learned boundaries, morals or the importance of taking responsibility for your own life.

        • bob wire

          This is about Constitutional Conservatives (Tea Party) versus Hard Left liberals (Occupy Wall St)”

          Well, you are 50% right! maybe

          for one things, there no versus except in your mind. And yes, that is the Tea Parties stated position, to be constitutional conservatives, especially where in come to someones else rights.

          They want smaller government until it come to things they care about and then they want intrusive big government.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bw,
            name some examples!! Like the TEA party left DC SPOTLESS, while the prog party left DC looking like a PIG PEN!!!! FACTS buddy!!

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      The Tea Party BEGAN with Ron Paul – when the NeoCons lost the white house because people were fed up with the empty rhetoric about “accountablity” and “responsibility” that comes to a screeching halt the moment someone like me points out WHAT they need to be responsible FOR. Obama promised to bring our troops home and end the senseless provocations that incite those that are only our enemies because of deceit on the part of the war-mongers that have yet to disclose any evidence that Bin Laden actually carried out 9/11 [if you're thinking 'but he confessed to it' 1) you have never critically evaluated that video & 2) you are saying that we invaded a nation based on the idea that we would gain incriminating evidence AFTER we went in - D'oh!]

      Yes, there is real & legitimate popular discontent – along with a growing awareness that BOTH Hegelian ‘left’ and ‘right’ are corrupt. Most Tea Party people mean well – many are misinformed or more accurately disinformed [deliberately misinformed] about the actual nature of the problem – some know how manipulation is carried out and are trying to disabuse others like you – yet others are hard headed – only consider that which is conducive to their prideful & self-righteous agendas.

      Taking the ABSOLUTE WORST of the OWS – especially how “leftists” have tried to hijack the popular discontent as though TeoCons have not themselves done the same thing is duplicitous. When TeoCons do nothing to acknowledge their own shortcomings in terms of recognizing that the GOP has lacked any real accountability and prosecution of war crimes is in order as provocations – to anyone that is not thoroughly indoctrinated with war mongering propaganda – lessen our safety as a nation – not enhancing it. Or how can you claim that we are “made safe” by having troops on the other side of the world when for waaaay too long – including throughout the Bush years our borders have been left WIDE OPEN???

      If you cannot acknowledge the lack of objectivity among those with the left/right paradigm [see the work of Dr. Drew Westen 'The Political Bias Syndrome'] then you will continue to falsely think the TeoCons are virtually error free and that everything NASTY AND HORRIBLE said about the OWS group – that is actually quite diverse – should be accepted without due critical evaluation.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Mark,
        I can tell you have either never been to a TEA party meeting or you have been deaf while there. The TEA party has said all along that the GOP AND the libs both have screwed the public for years. I hav ebeen to five meetings now and have heard it all five times as I LISTEN!!! Now is the time to listen with your ears and not your mouth!!! The first meeting I went to was the first time I heard ANY group tell me to look at a persons voting RECORD and not what they promise. you ever heard your progs tell you that??

  • Morton L. Friedman

    What exactly is ‘Wall Street’?

    If one is talking about corporations, and their boards, then the problem is how the individual shareholders have been effectively disenfranchised. For many, their shareholder ‘rights’ are held b the mutual funds that they are participate in. No voting rights are passed on to those ‘shareholders’.

    Examine many Board of Directors. You will see the ‘you wash my back, and I will wash yours. Many interlocking directorships. Exacerbating the problem is the extreme granting of stock options, further diluting any potential shareholder influence. The whole concept of stockholder participation, in any corporation, has become a total fiction.

    It can be changed. Treat corporate stock distributions to company executives as personal income when granted, at the market price of that day. Have mutual funds send proportional proxies to their participants. I am sure that there are many other things that can, and should, be done.

  • Eric Bischoff

    I think you are missing the point. If the Tea Party was a genuine grass roots movement instead of the Koch Brothers propped up, created and directed movement it is, it would realize that it is in it’s best interest to join forces with the genuine American grass roots movement of the 99′ers.

    99% of Americans are doing worse while the 1% are doing extremely better and better obviously at our expense, always taking the first and ever bigger slice of the pie. The 99′ers who are lucky to still have a job are working longer hours on salaries that are flat in the last 30 years and now require two workers in the household to make ends meet. The truth is it is probably more like 20% of Americans are unemployed.

    The jobs are not coming back, they didn’t just eliminate them, they recreated them in foreign lands where they can have cheap or sometimes slave labor, where they can polute at will and where they can hide their profits and not pay their taxes.

    The Occupy Wall St 99′ers are absolutely correct in directing their anger at Wall Street and the Banksters. Corporations and the 1% super wealthy ruling class are the ones that have taken over our government by bribing our lawmakers through the lobbyists which vastly outnumber the politicians.

    Corporations and the 1% are responsible for deregulation which allowed wild speculation which destroyed the world’s economy. They went after poor people to get them to take on mortgages they could not afford so they could feed their rapacious appetite for CDOs. Goldman Sachs should be broken up before it destroys any more country’s economies.

    Corporations and the 1% are responsible for lowering their own taxes and emptying the coffers at a time of war. Taxes are at the lowest they have been in 50 years. They are the ones that deregulated the media and have made it possible for us to have hundreds of cable channels filled with the same propaganda always beating the drums of war and informing us less and less with Rupert Murdoch’s Fox leading the way.

    Corporations and the 1% are the real “who” we need to take our country back from. They are the ones that have corrupted our democratic system using money as their tool for cohersion. They have infiltrated every government insttitutions with the “Revolving Door” policies.

    Unlike the Tea Party, the 99′ers don’t want to get rid of the EPA or the FDA because we want them to protect our air, our water and our soil and our food for many generations to come. What we want is for the Monsantos to stop infiltrating and occupying the EPA so that it can have it’s way and destroy the environment at will just for the sake of making more money.

    What we want is to stop subsidizing these wealthy corporations to grow corn and soy, which is now destroying the lungs of the planet (Amazon basin) , which is used to make corn syrup and unaturally feed the meat industrial complex, which props up the Fast Food industry, which is largely responsible for our obesity and diabetes epidemic.

    The US Govt has done the research and they have known for a long time that Animal Protein expecially Casein is Carcinogenic and causes cancer. But the Meat Industrial complex is so powerful that even Opra is scared of them. They are the ones we need to take our country back from.

    Join the 99% and Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Goldman Sachs, Occupy the Banksters, Occupy Monsanto and the Big Agra industrial complex, Occupy Fox, Occupy the Healthcare industry, Occupy the Prison Industrial complex, Occupy the Military Industrial complex, Occupy the Big Pharma Industrial complex.

    Corporations and the wealthy 1% ruling class and the banksters is who we need to take our country and our government back from.

    • Karolyn

      Long time no see Eric!

      • bob wire

        good to have you back Eric. Staying long?

      • bob wire

        “Corporations and the wealthy 1% ruling class and the banksters is who we need to take our country and our government back from.”

        Right Eric! and few in the Tea Party will accept this fact and will rarely venture there. DavidH being among the few. Mr. Livington knows too but very rarely will it be offered up, not with such a target rich political landscape we have today.

        Makes me ask , “Why” as if I don’t know.

        It’s more fun to kick on things that can’t really kick back. Why take on the monster when there so many dog to kick around.

        In that sense, This Wall Street sit-in protest is taking on the monster few attempt or dare to try.

        • s c

          bw, the day that utopians have the stones to take on GE, George Soros, the Fed and this administration’s galloping corruption is the day that people like you will have a dab of integrity. Until you do, all you’re doing is shedding a light on new parameters of hypocrisy.
          Your mentality is so straight out of the book of Quisling, Neville Chamberlain and the Vichy French (with a touch of Das Kapital) that it’s hard for me to believe that anyone be so screwed-up and yet demand to be seen as ‘enlightened.’
          It is no wonder that one of your many false gods just happens to be in the W H. Is clueless your middle name? Remember to pray to Alinsky before you go to bed tonight.

          • http://naver samurai

            Don’t forget The Communist Manifesto, Animal Farm, 1984, and Mein Kampf. This should compleate the list. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Song

            Everyone should read Animal Farm. That revolution is fueled by many who perceive injustice and want to “right” what is wrong only to find themselves in a much worse situation then what they initially perceived.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said Song. I just don’t think the libs will get it though. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      These are points that I believe anyone that is not indoctrinated to not be morally clear will find sensible:

      1) The popular discontent is quite real and has very real and legitimate concerns

      2) There are some concerns that appear to be legitimate that need to be discussed with clarity of mind and impartiality to sort out what is and is not legitimate.

      3) The abject LACK of accountability on either the Hegelian “Left” or “Right” is fueling the popular discontent- WITH GOOD CAUSE- anyone that thus takes a polarized view should be seen as the duplicitous fool that s/he is [or for ANDY Coulter - where does s/he fit into gender identification is a debate into itself!]

      4) Honest competition – which is stifled and obstructed by crony, monopolistic capitalism will solve many of the problems we face today – it should be clear that monopolistic practices can ONLY be carried out by corrupt intervention of government that has transgressed its proper boundaries of what our founders intended – we now have more and more what the founders WARNED AGAINST!

      5) Debating whether we should have more of a welfare state or more of a warfare state is like discussing whether we should have a president that is more like Hitler or more like Stalin – the left/right paradigm obstructs clarity of thought and needs to be recognized as the Hegelian manipulation tactic that it is

      6) Both the Hegelian “left” and the Hegelian “right” have tried to hijack the popular discontent- and that “success” needs to be countered with education about manipulation tactics – they do not work on those that can see that LIES ONLY HAVE POWER WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THEM

      7) Taking the WORST of the Hegelian opposition while dismissing one’s own side’s lack of accountability only obstructs clarity of mind. Duplicity is typical of both sides in keeping with the Political Bias Syndrome – search Dr. Drew Westen – I believe he is here in Atlanta GA

      8) Both the FDA & the EPA have not faithfully carried out the mission of their STATED GOAL – the FDA has not made our food safe – they have endorsed products known to be dangerous – they have stifled products that are natural & effective because that would impair the monopolists’ unethical profit margin. Likewise the EPA has not stopped the flow of toxic Corexit (sp?) nor the ChemTrails – point being: the issue is NOT the STATED GOAL – but the UNSTATED GOAL of expanding the size and scope of government- both sides do it while blaming the other for doing the same

      [Sidebar - in the movie "Ghostbusters" an EPA @$$hat created a problem based on his abject lack of knowledge - when Mr. Dickless turned OFF the containment system creating a HUGE problem - for a real life application - the "Ozone Hole" fiasco - the Ozone hole was discovered with technology that had just been deployed that was never in place before. DuPont's patent on Freon was running out- by an "interesting coincidence" Freon and other CFCs were blamed for this 'hole' that was probably a natural cycle as so many other things]

      The solution is to repudiate all fraudulent changes to the ORGANIC CONSTITUTION which has not been in place since the inception of the War Between the States – reinstate the original 13th amendment that forbade foreign titles of nobility – discard the 14th and subsequent “amendments” that were the result of deceit and or duress. We are not talking about reinstating slavery nor denying women the right to vote – but repudiating the faux “freedom” of being enslaved by lies TRUTH CAN ONLY LIBERATE THOSE THAT ADHERE TO IT per John 8:32 TAKEN IN CONTEXT

      • Christin

        MArk,

        Well said.

        • eddie47d

          Point taken in your last comment Christin yet when you use trash talk like idiots,vulgar and ignorant it tells alot about yourself and will always bring a rebuttal of equal passion but without the dizzy name calling.

          • Christin

            edieeeeee,

            Occupy Now Protests articles and video I have read and seen:
            QUOTED

            “Occupy devolves into debauchery, drugs and criminals: Occupy Wall Street protests have devolved into shameless display of moral depravity- with shocking or not interviews of protesters claiming to be getting high everyday and having sex ‘in a tarp’ and out in plain view. Zuccotti Park smells like an open sewer with people urinating and defecating in public.”

            “Occupy Sacramento admitted to not even knowing why they are there. When asked to elaborate on why they are there organizers said they are still trying to figure that out.”

            “Occupy Atlanta rejected civil rights icon, Democrat Congressman Jon Lewis. Instead of letting him speak, many of the protesters tried to block him until he finally ended up leaving.”

            This new young group of Americans is MISGUIDED in their anger if only at Wall Street slighted the Share Holders with WH leader’s blessing (they should include BIG corrupt gov that doesn’t follow the Constitution), IGNORANT to the Constitution and our Freedoms, Liberties and rights Granted by God, BEHAVING with VULGARITIES by swearing, taking drugs, and having sex and urinating & defecating in public, NOT willing to listen to others who may be more mature and have more experience or guidance, and NOT KNOWING WHY they are there in some instances and CHANTING PIVENS words & others comments… thus the stupid sheeple comments.

            I DID my homework before posting my views, eddieeeee, did you?
            I doubt it.

            Same your verbal slams for yourself.

          • Karolyn

            Christin – If you search YouTube, you will find videos of tea party demonstrations in which some weird characters are interviewed. One lady is wearing a long black cape and hood and acting really weird. You can find pictures of overflowing garbage cans and other strange things. Maybe there are no videos of people having sex or other debauchery,” but there are some weird things. There have also been videos of racists and gunslingers. Now, would you have all tea partiers judged by the actions of those people? I maintain that not all the OWS demonstrators are the same as well.

          • eddie47d

            The fright wingers pay folks to go out and film these events and then on U-Tube they go. It’s like the Obama videos where they say he says something but then the video is cropped to have a different meaning. We live in an evil manipulative world.

          • http://naver samurai

            I wonder how many of them are paid union folk of the SEIU. We both know they love to pound people in opposition to the president. I wonder if Jimmy Hoffa has a stake in this too. He’s already threatened peoples life and limb for going against unions and the POTUS. Neeeeed to look at both sides before making a rebuttle to someone ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • bob wire

        Thank you Mark!

        I like this one the best!

        “6) Both the Hegelian “left” and the Hegelian “right” have tried to hijack the popular discontent- and that “success” needs to be countered with education about manipulation tactics – they do not work on those that can see that LIES ONLY HAVE POWER WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THEM”

        They do believe these lies! Like Mark Twain said,” A lie can travel around the world before the truth has time to put on it’s shoes”

    • Wapitiman

      Yes sir! Let’s take it all back…like they did in Rhodesia,oops! Zimbabwe! Kick out the producers and load in the slackers and we too can join the paradigm of total failure.

      • bob wire

        If memory serves, they already failed and “we” American tax payers bailed them out. But if you want to smooch on their backside some more I can send one over, just send me an address and pucker up.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Eric,
      your 99% bs is just that, BS!! I paid off my house last year, I am debt free, and I am definately better off, money wise than I was two years ago. I have worked my A$$ off to get there, but I have done it.
      BTW, this has NOTHING what so ever to do with ODUMBER!!!

  • James

    On Wednesday night, Charlie Rose interviewed William Buster, whowas a spokesman for the Occupy Wall Street bunch. He asked Buster what they expected to accomplish, what was their goal? Buster hummmed and hawwwed for a while then said: “We aren’t against banks or government, we are against corruption.” Basically, I think the Tea Party is like-minded, but they probably wouldn’t agree on what todo about it. The Occupiers want to demonstrate, while the Tea Partiers run for office.

    • Eric Bischoff

      James you are right, the right is always better organized and politically they get things done. Unfortunately once they got in office instead of working on the economy and jobs problems as promised the hypocrites focused on religious and women’s rights issues and things like English as the official language, like that’s what’s important right now.

      • Song

        In your opinion Eric Bischoff

      • bob wire

        Yea, kinda like yours Song.

        These corruption concerns must be pinned down and identified. Which will be an easier task then rooting out the guilty. I don’t have a clue where to begin.

        But putting pressure on people that do is a place to start.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          bob,
          you say English as national language isn’t important? how much money a year do you think the government, both local and federal, WASTE printing government papers, signs, instructions in four and five different languages?? This used to not be so. you learned english to become a citizen. When I was a kid of about fifteen, the Mexican lady, who came here LEGALLY, used to bring her daughter with her to fill out forms and get instructions. She also took night classes to learn English good enough to take the citizenship test. She proudly displayed her papers to show she persevered!!! She was DAM PROUD of her citizenship and showed it every day of the rest of her life!! Not important? BULL$HIT!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Those items you have mentioned are important to the moral fabric of this nation. Classic lib strategy to take away anything moral and turn it into disfuntion. I’ll bet that any of the ones running for the GOP nomination would be better suited on economic issues than Obama bin Laden, who has done nothing for this country. Speaking of women’s issues, the Protect Life Act was just passed by the House and moves into the Senate. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    According to our local newspaper (amNewYork, 10/13/2011, page 2), Mayor Bloomberg is asking the Occupy Wall Street mob to temporarily vacate the park so it can be cleaned; adding that they may return as long as they obey the law. (Hmmmm!! I wonder what that means, given Bloomberg’s mentality – no cigarettes or trans fat foods?? LOL!!) Presumably the hippies’ protest site has become a pig sty. I haven’t been in that vicinity in a while. My only guess is that the park resembles Earth Day event locations, in which the (“save the earth” – LOL!!) environmentalist wackos usually leave litter and big messes all around. ….. On the other hand, if these were Tea Party rallies, I bet there’d be no need to clear the site for cleaning. Unlike the OWS mob, environmentalist wackos and other leftwing malcontents, we know that tea partiers are usually neat and tidy!!

    • Karolyn

      It was on the news last night. The owner of the property wanted it vacated. They showed the protesters sweeping the sidewalks and cleaning up. There is always somebody who is willing to work on cleanup detail. However, when you get a bunch of people camping out for any length of time in a small space, there is bound to be mess. I don’t recall the tea party members having camped out at any city parks. These were not organized events like anything the tea party has done.

      • libertytrain

        I would think, and perhaps it’s just me, but if these folks are the folks interested in being green, perhaps even setting an example, they’d clean up their own mess instead of leaving it for others -

        • Eric Bischoff

          Which part of this do you not understand, these are Americans of all ages and creed protesting for a better life in very difficult times and all you can do is make fun of them. We should all be supporting them as they are putting themselves on the line for all of us. Oh! I forgot there is serious lack of empathy on this site!

          By the way they cleaned up the place all night and it is now better than it was before this started. Of course you might not know that since the media coverage has been spotty and derogatory at best.

          • Song

            the point being apologist Eric Bischoff, the tea party rally’s left nothing to clean up…unlike these protestors, the tea party people took the initiative to make sure their rally’s were clean without having to be asked. There is a big difference in attitude and behavior but I am certainly not going to expect an indoctrinated sympathizer like yourself to make that distinction :D

          • bob wire

            You are one lofty person Song! How did you ever acquire such a high opinion of yourself?

          • http://deleted Claire

            bob wire–Unfortunately, there are various individuals that feel the need to “toot their own horn.” Is it because no one really listens to them?

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said Song, fellow patriot! Libs just don’t understand any concepts of the actions or movements going on, but they just pick and choose what they want people to know. Comes from the Saul Alinsky books and they tend to sound more like Joseph Goebbels than like fellow human beings. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Don’t mention anything about God, Jesus, or Christianity. Those really set BW off on tantrums.

  • http://deleted Claire

    The way I look at it–they are protesting the government same as the tea partiers.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Claire,
      Hey lady!! Hows your other half doing? Good I hope.
      One question. That farm you speak of, which group would you want occupying it for one week?? Remember, the OWS group only cleaned up AFTER they were threatened.

  • momma bear

    I’m not a percentage, I’m a HUMAN BEING who lives the best I know how and IMPROVING myself as much as I can EVERYDAY. Seeking truth, learning, growing and teaching my (considered by society to be LARGE) family to be CREATORS and PRODUCERS and NOT VICTIMS, to take responsibility for their own self-made REALITIES. Realities that are consciously and subconsciously created by inner core beliefs that may or may not be true…if they aren’t true, I’m trying to teach them to DISCOVER, RELEASE AND REFRAME those beliefs to create something BETTER based on TRUE core beliefs. Emotions create thoughts, thoughts create actions and actions create RESULTS….self-sabotage is evident everywhere, so recognize it, change it, share the experience of creating something POSITIVE and help another to do the same for themselves….it’s a ripple effect…THEN we’ll see a REAL REVOLUTION that FREES EVERYONE ;-) I AM A CONSCIOUS CREATOR!!!!

    • Song

      very well said momma bear. Unfortunately human nature is to place blame. It is far easier to cry “victim” then to recognize individual failures.

      • Karolyn

        The blame for much of what is going on in our economy certainly does need to be placed where it belongs – on those whose creed is MONEY and POWER.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Karolyn: I will have to agree with you.

          • Song

            karolyn and claire: there are always excuses for personal failures. Are there problems with corruption? Is life not fair? Yes, and yes from the beginning of time. What makes the difference? Personal attitude. Even in the German death camps, there were survivors…maybe you should read what it takes to survive something like the holocaust.

          • http://deleted Claire

            song– I know all about surviving. And I am fully aware of the holocaust. Perhaps you should read a book on manners and learn how to be cordial to people instead of coming across like a smart a—. If you are not happy with my posts, then don’t read them.

          • bob wire

            You got it Momma bear, ~ that’s the way most all women think and some men too except for the “emotion first” part.

            Some men are less inclined to react to emotion. They seen it for what it is and refuse to allow the bias to affect a final decision on bias alone.

            As we think,~ as we are. The body always follows the head.

            The secret to life it’s self is learning to control your thoughts.

          • Song

            Claire: Unlike many of you, I have never stated to be anything other than what I am. I don’t get my “panties tied up in a knot” because of what a virtual stranger says on a blog and I make no apologies. If the shoe fits…Maybe if more people would take a stand and not back away from what they believe in for the sake of “feelings” this world could be a better place. Starting with parents! Where do you think these self-indulgent, inconsiderate, spoiled, victimized adults come from? I will tell you: From 30 years of psycho babble telling parents, teachers, etc., they need to be more concerned about “feelings” than actual parenting. Look at the adults they have raised!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Song– I am what I am, and like you, I make no apologies for “being” what I am. I am not perfect by any means, and I certainly do not “know it all.” What I do know is that I stand by what I say and believe too. I was raised dirt poor and I mean poor. We lived on a tenant farm, my stepdad worked for a guy that farmed and raised horses for harness racing. We had two milk cows (Daisy & Bossy), two horses (Bill & Babe) to pull the plows and wagons. There were chickens galore, and we had pigs. During the summer there was a garden almost the size of a football field we had to take care of. The wild strawberries, gooseberries, persimmons contributed towards the food we ate. We ate from the land, literally-my Mother canned every item she could get her hands on and the jars were stored all over the 4-room house we lived in-under the beds. We did not have electricity nor running water. We had a pump and those dang buckets of water weighed as much as I did. We were up at 5:00 every morning to do the chores before school. I walked two miles each way to the country school. I also went to a country church, it was by the school. Back then we were on ADC-Aid for Dependent Children. Talk about being teased and tormented at school–everyone knew we were on ADC. I was a little thing–44 pounds in 5th grade, but I stood up for myself–I had to. I was a scrapper, I never started the fight, but I sure as heck did my best to finish it. Eventually the kids left me alone because they knew I would fight back. I never had toys like other kids-I and my sisters used our imagination and we had fun. I can remember several times being hungry. My Mother worked like a dog, doing the best she could with what she had. My Mother taught my sisters and I to be proud, to hold our heads up, keep ourselves clean, never lie or cheat, and if we worked hard enough, we could have a good life in the future. God knows I miss her, she passed away in 1991 and I think of her every day. Without her teachings I would be nothing. She instilled in me the importance of having a good life, the importance of making the right choices in life. I am now a “senior citizen” and I look back and wonder where all the years went. I find myself looking back and all the memories flood over me. I am proud of the way I was raised. It taught me to appreciate the things in life that count. The kids of today should be raised to “do without.” Perhaps it would make them appreciate what they do have. I don’t know, I just know that I am thankful I am not raising kids in today’s world. I could go on and on but I have rambled enough. I don’t want to bore you or anyone else. I will say that I am not complaining about my upbringing. I appreciate my life and all that God has given me.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Egads, I apologize–my post is too long. Sorry.

          • Song

            No apology necessary Claire and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post and couldn’t agree with you more. I am deeply saddened that the work ethic and values that you write about have almost been completely abandoned and wiped out by what I call pop psychology or psycho babble of the past 30-40 years. The same psycho babble that said parents shouldn’t spank their children and school’s don’t have the right to discipline. Instead adults should seek to “understand” instead of discipline so that children’s “self-esteem” wouldn’t be damaged. The same psycho babble that said marking papers in “red” damages a child’s fragile “self-esteem”, the same psycho babble that says everyone should be treated the same, no trophy’s, don’t keep scores at games and decreed that games like tag are too violent…and above all make sure that no one’s feelings are ever hurt. What a shame.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Song: I remember one time I locked the teacher in the outhouse at school. Another kid unlocked the door and let her out. They ratted on me. Boy, did I get a paddling from the teacher, and rightly so. Mrs. Cowhick was her name and I grew to love her dearly.

          • Karolyn

            Claire – Have you ever written about your early life? Sounds like it would make for some interesting reading.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn–Yes, I am working on a book. Even though I edit manuscripts for a living, it seems my own book is harder to deal with. And I don’t really know if there would be an audience for a book such as this. I am also working on another book–you guessed it–it is about dogs-my own dogs. I jot things down as they “pop” into my mind. I also love poetry.

          • http://naver samurai

            Let me know when it hits the shelves Claire. I’ll definately buy one. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            Yes, let us know when it is ready! I’ll buy one for myself to read and I know a couple of kids in my neighborhood I would buy one for if I thought they would read it. Kids today have it all too easy. Sure, there are exceptions, but on average, they are spoiled rotton as far as having to earn their wants!!

  • jopa

    It is so nice to see so many young and older folks out in the streets protesting what is wrong with America.It is time to clean up Washington and Wall Street and do away with all the lobbiests that are writing the tax laws in favor of Wall street and the rich.The movement has the approval of 57% of the American public where as the Tea party stands at 37% and the Wall Street folks have to fend for themselves and not like the well funded (Koch brothers) tea par tiers that were fed all that baloney.

    • http://deleted Claire

      I am at home Friday afternoons, I got a call from one of my Republican friends–she wants me to go with her to the OWS march tomorrow here in town. This tells me that people from both parties are participating in the OWS.

      • Karolyn

        This is what I’ve been trying to get across for the past few days here on PLD. This is not just about hippies, welfare recipients, unions, teachers, creeps and homeless people, etc. The diversity is what is so cool about it.

        • eddie47d

          I went to a WS rally yesterday and the crowd was diversified. The guy next to me was anti-union yet was extremely unhappy with the Banksters. It takes all kinds.

  • Karolyn

    Funny thing today – I got an email from Personal Liberty with the headline “Horrific Predictions for 2012″, and I got another from a spiritual leader with the headline “The Most Positive 2012 Vision We’ve Heard.” What’s wrong with this picture? One is fostering fear with claims of something we can’t do anything about anyway; and the other is providing a way that people can come together to influence the future in a good way.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      yup, can’t have fear with rose colored glasses!!!

  • jopa

    As far as I can tell it is a protest consisting of people from all walks of life political beliefs and all age groups.There are those that are trying to make it into something it really isn’t just to draw attention to themselves for some reason.Some are fabricating stories to make the scenes into bizarre news stories.The bottom line is they mean well just as the Tea party did in the beginning until it was taken over by the Koch brothers and Karl Rove.

    • http://deleted Claire

      I heard on TV that Rove and the Koch Brothers are in disagreement on issues?? I do not believe this for one moment–”birds of a feather flock together.” There is a method to their madness. They have something up their sleeve besides “their arm.”

  • simian pete

    People here in the good ol USA are getting mad/frustrated. That’s because they are getting screwed by big government and crony capitalist.

  • bob wire

    Luke 16:1-31

    He also said to the disciples, “There was a rich man who had a manager, and charges were brought to him that this man was wasting his possessions. And he called him and said to him, ‘What is this that I hear about you? Turn in the account of your management, for you can no longer be manager.’ And the manager said to himself, ‘What shall I do, since my master is taking the management away from me? I am not strong enough to dig, and I am ashamed to beg. I have decided what to do, so that when I am removed from management, people may receive me into their houses.’ So, summoning his master’s debtors one by one, he said to the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’ .

    So what the moral of this little story?

    Sometimes a “held position” restricts one ability to get the job entrusted with done, is what I got out of it.

    Wall Street displays a posture of being untouchable. They feel superior to the common man.

    This must stop. The wagering has gotten out of hand and became an obsession, a means to it own end.

  • Free Man From Elite Influences

    Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement drags on, it has prompted criticism from its more established and goal-oriented political cousin, the Tea Party. It was posted in Newsmax, an article about the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement and the Tea Party were bragging about themselves being better than the protesters. But the cowardly Tea Party (so-called patriots) are nowhere to be found when the time comes to put up or shut up. Real cowards. Just like the Tea Party. Cowardly people who will not confront those that outnumber them. The day will come when the Tea Party faces off against the protesters and the Tea Party WILL turn tail and run. Some patriots they are. I have a name for them, but I am too polite to the word.

  • jopa

    Claire: The little spat between the Rove and Koch camp began when the Rove camp was for raising the debt ceiling and the Koch’s were against it.I believe the Rove camp is more for a character like Romney and the Koch’s are more for a Perry type.The Koch’s are planning on spending 200 million and Rove is planning on raising 280 million.That will buy a lot of tea bags and baloney.

  • Song

    to all of the apologists on this board: Glad to see that the global community is now following suit: up in arms, rioting, breaking windows, burning cars all as a result of the “peaceful” protesters gathering on Wall Street. And Freeman, the Tea Party are being smart and exercising restraint. Something that people like yourself obviously have great difficulty with but if you fly to Rome Freeman, you can have all the “in your face” conflict you want. :D

    • Karolyn

      “all as a result of the “peaceful” protesters gathering on Wall Street.” – NOT

      More like “all as a result of frustration and anger.”" Don’t blame one group for another’s actions.

      • Song

        Karolyn, I know it is impossible for you…heaven knows DaveH has tried on several occasions, but pull the blinders off woman. The global protesters are one and the same as the protesters here in America fueled by the same “group think” that life “isn’t fair”, “Workers Unite” and other communist and socialist mind set with many uneducated, well-meaning, sympathizers like yourself thrown into the mix. One can only be thankful that it hasn’t escalated to violence here…yet. Do a little research and find out who is really “fueling the fire”! It isn’t Christians and freedom-loving capitalists!

        • http://naver samurai

          I understand what you are saying Song, but I don’t think it will get Karolyn to change her mind. She is very stuck in her ways. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            As are you, Sanurai. Don’t you get it? What would this world be like if we all had the same viewpoint? In essence, everyone is right, given his perspective and what he knows. Of course, hopefully, people change as they continue to grow. Unfortunately, some people don’t grow and change.

          • http://naver samurai

            I’ll agree with you that some people don’t change Karolyn. You talk about us all thinking the same way? That would be total population assimilation. I remember something like that coming from a show called Star Trek, The Next Generation. They had a group of people called the Borg and they were always saying,”Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. You wil become part of the collective.” You could hear everyone’s thoughts and knew what everyone was doing 24 hours a day. They also were required to think the same thoughts. Sounds almost Stalinistic or Hitlerish to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          Song – If you weren’t so condescending, you might just gain a little more headway with your arguments. That approach alone predisposes one to want to argue. Much as you might look at me as “uneducated” or “stupid,” I am not. I just come from a different point of view, and I am allowed that and should not have to be subjected to someone lording it over me because I don’t think like they do. As I pointed out in my response to Samurai, what kind of world would we have if we all thought the same? Pretty boring, don’t you think? Well, it might be perfect, but who wants that? Rather than argue, we all would be better off finding common ground, which it appears not too many are willing to do.

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