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Tea Party Movement Gains Steam In Beantown

April 19, 2011 by  

Tea Party movement gains steam in BeantownSeveral hundred Tea Party supporters gathered on the Boston Common on April 15 to send a message to the Federal government: Don't tread on me.

Former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, a likely candidate for the 2012 GOP Presidential nomination, headlined the third annual event hosted by the Greater Boston Tea Party. Although the rally failed to draw the same numbers as last year, when former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin delivered the keynote speech, the Tea Party movement appears to be picking up momentum as next year's general election approaches.

Boston is traditionally a hotbed of liberal politics, but last week's tax day event provided a rare opportunity for conservative Bay State residents to publicly air their grievances with President Barack Obama's administration.

"What the government is doing is undermining our entire value system and our way of life," Mark Swan, a Boston-area construction worker, told Agence France-Presse. "The only way we can change that is if we get conservatives elected into positions of authority."

Pawlenty, who has a relatively low profile compared to some of the other rumored Republican candidates for President, won over some Bay State voters by blasting Obama for failing to rein in government spending.

Donna Luke, a lawyer from Middleborough, Mass., told The Boston Globe that she does not know much about Pawlenty, but added: "what I've seen, I like." 

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  • Richard

    As we have even seen here on this blog – elected Tea party Republicans are not out to help. Easy to say “Same on you” to elected Republicans and Democrats. But if you fell for the Tea Party bullcrap at the polls then Shame on you for being so gullible yet again.

    • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

      outside your rhetoric where are your facts?

      • Carlucci

        Dems and Republicans -

        Back in the 1970s, Susan Huck described the race for the President as competition between Council on Foreign Relations Team A vs. Council on Foreign Relations Team B. In the words of Phyllis Schlafly back in 1963, it is an echo, not a choice. Note that many politicos in D.C. from both* parties are members of the CFR.

        Wake up, everybody…

        *two headed monster on one body

        Is it a coincidence that the background music for this short documentary is from the movie
        “The Road to Perdition”? NOT – !!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA&feature=related

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Richard… I think the Tea Party is just getting off the ground and you are being a little harsh in your observations. We as Americans want instant gratification because that is what we want and we want it now. If we don’t see some real changes in the next few years, you may be correct and those of us who support them will be wrong. I hope we do see them live up to our expectations. Time will tell.

      • mr-jerry

        I am thoroughly disgusted with the so called conservative Tea Party movement. I attended your rallies, listened to your rubber lips and for what? You guys are just a bunch of gutless “go along so you can get along” business as usual politicians. We voted for you to make changes in our out of control government and the first test of your strength you caved in. Just typical milk toast politicians – no guts. I guess you folks really were raised on baby food all your lives. It’s too bad no one ever gave you some meat to eat. The next sound I expect to hear from you is your whining, “Obama made me do it!” Sheesh! I suppose you wear pink panties as well, and pansies in you hair. Garsh and golly, what panty waists!

        Here is a new word for you to practice, “No”. Try it a few times. Go stand in front of a mirror and practice it. Put your tongue on the roof of you mouth behind your teeth, pass some air over your vocal cords to make a sound through your nose, then drop your tongue down behind you lower teeth while making a “O” with your lips. Give it a try now. Nnnnnnnnnn-ooooooooooo. Don’t be afraid. Try it, Nnnnnnn ooooooooo. Again now, Nnnnnnnnooooooooo. Come on, you can do it. Nnnnnnoooooooo. Don’t be discouraged, keep trying, you’ll get if you just keep trying.

    • Warrior

      Send every progressive packing in 2012. They and their union thugs are the scourge of this land.

      • Bob

        Well said, but “progressive” is the wrong term. We need to quit using the terms of the enemy; terms that obscure what they really are. Today’s “progressives” are actually regressives who want to drag us back to the Stalinist/Leninist type of government that ruined so many lives in the USSR. Today’s “progressives” are actually regressives who long to bring humanity back into the yoke of slavery that we once wore under the autarchies of the past. “Progressive” gives the impression of enlightened, while those who use that term today are totally, and willfully, in the darkness of ignorance.

        • Mick

          You know Bob you are absolutely correct, regressive is an accurate word to define the bunch of mentaly handicapped following a party who think that they can get America back on the right track by spending an astonishing amount of money when we’re already in debt up the a$$ .

          • Bob from Calif.

            These regressives are not spending this amount of money to get this country back on track. They are taxing, spending and regulating this country to destroy the dollar, the middle class, and the ability to create jobs in this country. They are following the playbook of their NWO masters.

          • Mick

            Jovianus says:
            April 19, 2011 at 10:20 am
            Mick…I’m not a religious fanataic and as such don’t try to impose my own personal spiritual beliefs on others. If you desire to live your life according to a code of mores of an organized religious cult, fine with me. Don’t try and impose such on others…let them live according to their own personal beliefs as long as no person is hurt or their personal belief system is denied them in accomodating those other beliefs.

            Now…if you really did try and honor those ten dictates you wrote…then you wouldn’t lie, espouse hate and denigration, and try to mislead as you do in this forum. Think about that.
            *******************************************
            Jovianus,,, I would guess your last sentence was referring to # 9, How insighful to see how well liberals such as yourself can so easily turn things around to suit their purpose, and you didn’t answer the question about if you agreed or disagreed about the sentences below.I omitted the parts mentioning God for I should have expected that you would have only referred to religion when asked the questions not to the morality of it.

            FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’

            SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’

            SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

            EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’

            NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’

          • Mick

            Andrea B

            What a post. You are so on target…..I totally concur and how on earth can’t the left not see that our civil liberties and personal freedom are going out the window is beyond me, as for the rest of the issues you have brought up, bravo…..

        • Jovianus

          Bob;

          You really want to know the causes of ill and angst in our country today? Read your own post. “Enemy” ? Your fellow Americans which make up a majority of the citizenry ? You see us as the “enemy” ?

          That mindset poisons the atmosphere and creates the situation which spells doom for the TP and any idealism of economic reform its members may have. Extremism is no virtue. That is the “enemy”.

          What does the TP stand for? The nearest I can tell, and anyone can tell (even TPers) is it stands for nothing. It is against everything.

          It doesn’t want equity and fairness in our society. It is not against equlaity, it stands to give all to the qwealthy and none to the Middle Class. it is not to expand freedoms and liberties, but it is for restricting them to narrow religious tenets and dogma, it is not for a Melting Pot, it is for building walls to keep us in and “them” out. It is not for international relations and peace…it is for receding into those aforementioned walls and let the world build itself without us (and forgetting we rely upon the world for trade and economics). It is not for independence, but for corproate control and continued reliance on oil for our needs. It is not for sacrifice by all, but sacrifice by everyone else.

          What began as an economic reform movement has narrowed to a slim profile of membership. It has not stayed within the stated goals which it began, but has included extremist stands on social issues which are far removed from mainstream America. It refises to adapt or conform to new ideas, instead relying on some unfathomable and never defined “Constitution and Founding fathers” mantra which can never be identified, even by its own. And its ideals and cries for action are such that if included in any way shape or form into our national existence would destroy this nation, economically, socially, militarily, and politically.

          When you start spouting ‘enemy”. define what you mean. For the “enemy’ of America is your kind.

          • Mick

            Jovianus says:
            April 19, 2011 at 8:10 am
            Bob;

            When you start spouting ‘enemy”. define what you mean. For the “enemy’ of America is your kind.
            *****************************
            Well Jovianus, there you go again …
            What I see while watching your brothers demonstrations is that they have NO PROBLEM going against other Americans while defending the terrorists rights ,,,Hummmm,,! Makes one wonder exactly where the left stands………

          • Jovianus

            Mick..whatever you mean, I’m sure it makes sense to no one.

            Tell me…what does the TP and the extremist Right stand for? Not against…for. (if you use the words ‘Constitution’ or ‘Founding fathers’, be aware you’ll be asked just what exactly are you referencing. There were literally hundreds of Founding fathers, with views and ideologies as varied as we have today, and the Constitution has been interpeted by the SCOTUS ove the centuries as society has changed and questions arisen which are not detailed in the original document. So any “strict reading’ is out the window as you cannot place 19th century social and political issues into todays world. Syaing it can is simply unrealistic and shows anyone who advocates that to be out of touch with reality).

            So…just what does the Far Right and TP stand for?

          • Bob

            Anus: I don’t know what you would call “enemy”, but to me, those who have murdered over 40 million of my fellow citizens, stolen trillions for the productive to feed the parasitic, promoted perversion in our schools, destroyed many of our cities, turned our schools into indoctrination camps, opened our borders to our enemies, and who have done more damage to this country than all our foreign enemies combined are indeed my enemies and every decent human being. That is the truth of the matter; the fact that you and yoyr ilk hate the truth is of no consequence to me. I crave your contempt because it means I am on the right side of things.

          • Mick

            Bob,,,,You’re my kind of guy, you have described what the left has been doing to America to a “T”, too bad the right didn’t simply tell them to go take a long walk on a short pier when they had the chance.
            We need representavives willing and eager to say NO to the party harboring the filth that has contaminated our society.

          • Jovianus

            Bob and Mick…OK, what do you stand for? not against…for.

          • Mick

            Jovianus says:
            April 19, 2011 at 9:07 am
            Bob and Mick…OK, what do you stand for? not against…for.

            *******************************
            Jovianus,,,I will repeat myself again..
            I stand for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness pretty much living acording to what the Ten commendments stand for of , you know the thing you lefties are so eager to get rid of.
            Which of the following to you agree with ??

            ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’

            TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’

            THREE: ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’

            FOUR: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’

            FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’

            SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’

            SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

            EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’

            NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’

            TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.’

          • Dennis Patrick

            Well said, Jovianus!

          • Bruce D.

            Jovianus you have seen the hate being shouted out by the unions and liberal left at their rallies. Stop acting like you do not know what is going on. Why would we not consider you a Marxist and an enemy of America. It is who you are and what you do. You are always looking for other people to give you money. Most of us here say earn your own money and stop leeching.

          • Jovianus

            Mick…I’m not a religious fanataic and as such don’t try to impose my own personal spiritual beliefs on others. If you desire to live your life according to a code of mores of an organized religious cult, fine with me. Don’t try and impose such on others…let them live according to their own personal beliefs as long as no person is hurt or their personal belief system is denied them in accomodating those other beliefs.

            Now…if you really did try and honor those ten dictates you wrote…then you wouldn’t lie, espouse hate and denigration, and try to mislead as you do in this forum. Think about that.

            Bruce … I do believe you mainly refer to the demonstrations and orginizing done to prevent limitation of rights and actions which the wacked far right and TPers are trying to impose in the name of “freedom” (in a very twisted sense of the word to make it unrecognizable). You are against freedom of association, you are against collective bargaining as a group of people speaking as one, you are agauinst a whole lot of freedoms. We know that. Such is plain. The question is … what are you for?

          • Thamera

            Really Jovi? You are asking that question, but when the same questions are asked of you, you remain silent LOL. The Tea Party movement is made up of hard-working middle class Americans that would like to return to the constitution, who value smaller government and a reduction in taxes. They are patriots and champion freedom as well as individuality and the free-market. They are your neighbors, sit among you at church, work along side you and are the silent majority that have been largely ignored by both parties and are tired of the multiple abuses mete out by the bloated, inefficient government. Yet, you and the rest of the libs want to try and make them out as extremist. Now there’s a laugh.

          • Bruce D.

            Jovianus I am for ending parasites in government and those on the government dole. I am for individual freedom and a for kids to receive a good education. You are for collective bargaining and tenure which has destroyed education in this country. You are for taking from one and giving to another. I am for rewarding excellence. You champion rewarding people for failure.

          • Bruce D.

            Nice post Thamera.

          • Andrea B

            Jovi-
            I’ve been reading the thread of comments between you, Bob, and Mick, and I would like to throw in my TP…that’s ‘two pennies.’

            I am a member of the Tea Party, and I (speaking for myself) would define ‘enemy’ as anyone that agrees with Obama when he called the Tea Party the enemy…but that was several months ago, and got NO media attention, so it’s not surprising that you didn’t know that Obama drew the line in the sand first by defining my friends and family as HIS enemy.

            Next, I see you focus a lot of attention on what the Tea Party is FOR, not what they’re against. IN MY OPINION, this is what we’re for:

            1-A small Constitutionally sound federal government, and more control over local and state issues being given back to the states and localities. The DOEd should never have been formed; how and what a states children are taught should be up to the states. Kids in Iowa don’t need to learn the same exact things/ways as the kids in New York, California, Florida, or Texas. And the DOE was created in the 1970′s to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. Do the research, as I have, and let me know how that’s been going. And the FDA shouldn’t be govt run. There should be private companies that test drugs for safety (namely the pharmaceutical companies), and the safety of locally grown foods that are transported nationally/globally. How long do you think a private company would stay in business if it gave it’s seal of approval for tainted peanut butter, e.Coli covered spinach, and the slew of drugs that spawn commercials asking “if you or a loved one has died from using it?” Not long, I assure you. But since it’s part of the govt, well, the FDA is still raking in our tax dollars.

            2-Open dialogue, travel, and trade with all foreign nations–entangling alliances with NONE. I know that you don’t approve of the argument that it’s not in the Constitution, or that our founding fathers wouldn’t have agreed; but the founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams, George Washington, and MANY others) agreed that the United States is a sovereign nation, and that as such, NO OTHER NATION had the authority to interfere with our domestic policy. It is understood by MOST historians that the founding fathers felt that should be our foreign policy stance as well. The founders were very clear that our president could NOT delcare war without an act of Congress. Up until the act of war committed against Libya, our current administration knew that. It came from their own mouths, and I heard them say it.

            3-Sound currency. Congress gave up its responsibility for maintaining a sound currency to the Federal Reserve in a sneaky, middle-of-the-night Christmas vote, when the majority of opposing Congress was celebrating the holidays with their families. Since that time, well, I’m hoping you’re intelligent enough to see for yourself how that worked out for us. If you would like additional information on the damage the Federal Reserve has done to our country, ask and I will provide…!

            4-Protection of civil liberties and personal freedom, along with the return of our rights to be responsible for ourselves and our families. This is self-explanatory, but if you have an issue with this or don’t understand how your civil liberties and personal freedoms have been violated and destroyed, feel free to request more info, or try to get through the TSA at your local International airport…your choice. If your child is misbehaving and you’d like to know what your parental rights are, try swattin’ them on the butt in public and you will learn right quick…again, your choice.

            5-The right to keep the fruits of my labor (the founding fathers as listed above believed that your labor was your property) without being taxed to pay for unConstitutional spending. NPR, Planned Parenthood, public unions, foreign aid, welfare, social security, military industrial complex. The current administration would like to tax us for our carbon output! It won’t cost us anything to inhale (thanks to Bill Clinton? lol!), but exhaling is gonna cost ya.

            These are the top 5 things, as I see it, that are pretty big topics for Tea Partiers. Again, speaking ONLY for myself, I also happen to be FOR:

            -life (as opposed to abortion)
            -dissolving our ties with the UN
            -term limits for political leaders and SCOTUS
            -PEACE (end the wars and bring our kids back home!)
            -profiling (in matters of national security)
            -LEGAL immigration
            -ending the ‘War on Drugs’
            -lower taxes for EVERYONE–lower/middle/upper class and corporations

            Please let me know what YOU are FOR as well. We may have more in common than you think!

            Andrea B

          • 45caliber

            j-anus:

            If I truly thought that you and those like you made up the majority of American citizens, I’d seriously look into moving to some other country. Actually, I think you and those like you represent less than 25% of the people in the US – and most of those are on the welfare rolls.

          • 45caliber

            Andrea:

            I agree. The Tea Party is actually NOT a political party as the lefties would like everyone to believe. It is a group of like-minded people of ALL parties who simply do not like the way the government is going right now.

            As to what we support – we support a return to less government and less interference by government in everyone’s lives. There were no more people starving before the government got involved in “helping” people than there are today in the US. The goal as shown by ACTIONS of the government is not to help people who can’t help themselves but to CONTROL those people and others as well.

            We support freedom for individuals to make their own decisions and their own mistakes if they aren’t smart enough to learn from the mistakes made by others … or their own previous mistakes. We don’t have any interest in trying to force others to live their lives the way we think best for them – but we also don’t feel that they have the right to insist that those of us who didn’t make those mistakes pay for them rather then them paying for their own mistakes.

            We support equal rights for everyone, regardless of race, sex, etc. But by the same token we are very much against anyone who insists that because of something that happened 50 years ago, a hundred years ago, etc, that they should have MORE rights than the rest of us.

            We support schools that teach a student the necessary knowledge to funtion in this present world. That means that they know how to read, write, think for themselves, do simple math, speak at a level that they can understand others and others can understand them, and – quite important – know history and know what their place is in our government. (Hint – it isn’t as a slave controlled by the government.)

            We support a strong military that discourages all other militaries from attacking us – and we support attacking AND DEFEATING those who do attack us. We will honor those citizens of other countries who fight for similar reasons but we don’t believe we should necessarily interfere unless the persons presently in power are doing horrendous acts against their own people.

            We support our culture even though many insist that we should include equal consideration for the cultures of other countries. We support our own culture here and their own cultures there – and if we really want to experience those cultures we can go there to see them.

            We support the ability to worship as we will, regardless of what that method may be, as long as you don’t try to interfere with that. We may offer you the opportunity to join us but if you really don’t wish to, then we can respect it – even as we try to convince you there is a better way. But we do NOT support forcing others to follow our way by destroying you.

            We support the freedom to say what we wish – even if it is hurtful to others. But we also want it to remain words and not violence. There is a big difference between hurtful and harmful.

            We support helping our neighbors in the US or throughout the world – when we wish to do it. We do not feel that we OWE anyone that aid simply because we are more wealthy. But we want to help all – not just whoever might be the ruler at that moment.

            Now … what do the liberals SUPPORT – other than taking over and giving orders to the rest of us.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jovi,
            that is about the most mindless post you have posted yet!!! Fully 90% of the TEA party IS middle class!!!! Do you honestly think all of them are super rich??? Clean the cobwebs out of your skull as they are interfering with your ability to comprehend!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Ok jovi,
            You want to take the religeon out of the thoughts, then look at the last fsix of the commandments as “rules” what is objectionable about them to you??? Why, in your opine, are they wrong?? If you find them wrong, then you are one SICK puppy!!!

          • Andrea B

            45 Calibur:

            Thanks for the additional info; I agree with everything on your list!

            (FYI to everyone: I meant to include in my first comment that the Federal Reserve started in 1913, but left it out by mistake.)

            Anywho…thanks again!

        • Bud Tugly

          Although the Tea Party began with noble intentions it is now at a crossroads and members need some careful introspection as to what they really stand for.

          They often site the founding fathers, for good reason, but fail to recognize that compromise has been and should be, part of the American political landscape since the beginnings of the revolution. One of the great beauties of our wonderful nation is that people with divergent opinions can work together for the common good. Those with genuine integrity try to understand that there are many ways to be a true patriot and many ways to love our country.

          Conversely, groups like the Taliban of Afghanistan, are inflexible in thought, utterly unwilling to compromise on any issue, have unalterable faith that their relationship with the Supreme Being is the only valid one and that anyone who believes otherwise is an infidel and unworthy to live in society, and firmly believe that their own narrow interpretation of reality is the only one and any other perception is utter garbage.

          These characteristics also describe some members of the Tea Party and the ultra right who are just as willing to rise against their neighbors as the most staunch Taliban member over political and philosophical differences.

          The Tea party needs to be careful not to become the American Taliban.

          Remember that our beloved Constitution is a triumph of compromise. The most brilliant and articulate members of colonial American society got together, worked out their differences, and came up with a document reflecting the interests and vision of these great men who came from a wide variety of backgrounds.

          Let’s take a lesson from these great visionaries and not demonize those with different opinions. Let’s try to understand understand each other, respect that they, too, love our country in their own way, and sincerely find ways to move forward and heal our country’ wounds.

          • 45caliber

            And your description of the Taliban brings to mind the way the Democrats in Washington have acted for decades now.

      • Mick

        Warrior says:
        April 19, 2011 at 7:35 am
        Send every progressive packing in 2012. They and their union thugs are the scourge of this land.
        ********************

        Warrior,,,,It would be a good start for America. The progressive and unions are composed of some of the most degenerate minds in the whole country, how can a country such as ours continue to thrive and become respected again under the leadership of the very people out to destroy its integrity..

    • meteorlady

      And your facts are where? Your condescending comment contains no actual information.

      • Mick

        meteorlady says:
        April 19, 2011 at 9:17 am
        And your facts are where? Your condescending comment contains no actual information.

        ***************************meteorlady,,,,Are you talking to me ????
        We’re usaually on the same side….
        If i am mistaking , Sorry……..

        • Dan az

          Mick
          I feel she was replying to jovi!

    • barbm

      the tea party reps have only been in office a bit over 3 months, and they’re having to deal with a majoity of dems in the senate. they can only do so much. we still have to get rid of the rinos and the dems, so they can move forward. with our credit rating being dropped yesterday to poor, if we don’t do something quickly about the deficit, we’re doomed. if not the tea party, then whom? gary johnson 2012!!

  • joseph costa

    The tea party and the republicans should be supporting the United family Bill. If their platform is the Constitution, then they should be supporting the bill that discriminated against gays and the foreign national partners. If you support limiting government involvement in family life, Making Government smaller, and whether they support gays or not the constitutional protection given to all Americans should force them to support the bill. And if they vote against it should be thrown out of office for fraud and lies taking the oath of office, and show how unamerican they are and supporting discriminating is wrong no matter what party you are from. Support the Churches who are legally entrenched in wrong doing and hurting people instead of helping Americans who have not broken any laws and seek the constitutional protection we all have. How dare Republicans who feel they have the rights to discriminate thought we had a civil war and civil rights that history has guaranteed protection for all Americans not just some.

    • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

      Churches may preach a morality you may not agree with and many Tea Party members are church goers but I have yet to see any Tea Party Rallies even approach this issue. The main issue is to rein in Federal Government and return States Rights were they belong AND to reduce government spending to restore fiscal order to our country.

      • bob wire

        yea , they learned from their passed mistakes and revised their attack plan and label, having learned that a frontal attack on personal liberties really doesn’t work very well.

        • Carlucci

          bobw – it is “past mistakes”, not “passed”.

          • JUKEBOX

            He might be referring to the “STIMULUS” and “OBAMACARE” that they passed!

          • Carlucci

            LOL – ! Good ones, Jukebox & Raggs.

        • Raggs

          Maybe bob-wire was referring to the passsing of gas the republicans did during the bush era that got us in the we Mess are in now.

          • meteorlady

            you do know that Bush is gone right? If you want to play blame game to to Clinton’s administration. We would not be in the trouble we are now if not for Fair Housing, repeal of Glass-Steagall, a lot of one sided trade agreements, and allowing drug companies to advertise, thus driving the cost of prescription drugs through the ceiling.

        • Thamera

          What past mistakes Bob W? Have you ever been to a tea party rally? These are your fellow patriots Bob W. These are the veterans that fought and served for our country, these are your hard-working middle class Americans, small business owners, mothers, fathers and their children, dentists, doctors lawyers, restaraunteurs, entrepreneurs, …the tea party is “main street” America Bob W. Before you and others like Jovi so readily demonize and condemn your neighbors and fellow patriots maybe you should get to know them first.

      • Jovianus

        Dan…that is such BS you can fertilize the wheat fields of Nebraska and Kansas, toss in the corn gfields of Iowa, and still have enough fertilizer left over for the family garden. Be real and at least admit what the TPers are trying to foist upon America…nothing less than an American Taliban.

        • ValDM

          Juvenile,
          Every time you post, it isn’t the right wing you describe. Take a good hard look at the left-loonies and put the descriptions you use against everyone (that doesn’t agree with you) up to them. If you’re the least intellectually honest, you will find that it isn’t the conservatives you’re describing. BTW, your spouting about those of us that would like to hang on to the idea of America tells us far more about your age and your willingness and adeptness to endorse the public indoctrination you seem to have such a flare for. Learn to think for yourself, and stop using the left’s talkinf points. We get enough of that from MSM talking heads, we don’t need it here. Go back to school, you’re too young for us.

          • Thamera

            No kidding VaidM, people like Jovi have bought the liberal lie hook, line and sinker when it is the progressives that would seek to control every facet of our life and the facts are there yet for some reason, they turn a blind eye and demonize their fellow patriots! Just look at the picture in the article Jovi and Bob W. Do they look like a bunch of radicals trying to take over your lives? You are pathetic and alarming at the same time!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            ValDM,
            did you notice that jovi is a typical progressive/regressive in that he asks a person a question about themselves and then when he doesn’t like the answer, he denegrates the person answering!!! TYPICAL!!!

          • Christin

            You know guys I believe it is all in your HEART…

            whether:

            a person is a Conservative or Tea Partier who seeks Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness with Limited fiscally-sound Gov so that people may Prosper, responsibly take care of their family and others, and live Free…

            OR

            a person is a Liberal/ Progressive/Regressive /Socialist/ Marxist/ Communist/ Facist (choose your posion) who seeks Death (Eugenics), Serfdom (collapse dollar & economy)and the Pursuit of Despair (loss of jobs because of a failure to remove business regulations, drill for our own oil, gas and coal making us self suficient) for the masses with Big deficet spending gov (sell Debt to foreign nations)so that people may not keep their hard earned wages (redistribution of Wealth), but pay TAXES for bloated gov spending with a Elite Ruling Class who enslaves the people.

            It’s all in the heart… red-blooded or black… where do you stand?

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Jovi… You are comparing Tea Party people to the Taliban? Have you lost your mind? The Tea Party people want the government to go back to working for the people. Career politicians and lobbyists need to be ousted. We should have a say in how the government works. I find it offensive that you would make that comment.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Jovi . . . the “taliban” is in the WH . . . today!!!

    • JIBBS

      Please provide a link or information to youe , united family bill. I found no info. on it, and I’ve never heard of it. What is it ?

    • 45caliber

      Some of the Tea Party members do support you … others do not. There is no reason we MUST support you since your goal is really one simple item rather than all things. Your one item is very important to you but not to others. personally, while I agree with you, it isn’t nearly as important to me as the economy and the military is.

    • Thamera

      Wow joseph and your agenda is plainly obvious…rule by force – don’t believe that was ever in the constitution joe costa, and you probably feel threatened by religion as well, yet you are the one that wants to “force” your brand of morality on the rest of the nation all while crying “discrimination” the libs favorite catch phrase for trying to demonize anyone that doesn’t share their point of view.

  • bob wire

    So far, the tea party done has little more the frighten some fearful GOP politicians and install a few governorships and woke up a sleeping silent majority about what the TEA Party true agenda really is.

    That the Right Wing Christian collision has relabeled and reinvented itself while flying a banner of personal liberties and physical responsibilities.

    The same people that put the wind under 43′s wings for 8 years and accused fellow American’s that didn’t agree with 43′s policies as being un Christian and unAmerican, tree hugging, pink-o, spineless cowards, liberals that just hated guns and anything military.

    • Bob

      “That the Right Wing Christian collision has relabeled and reinvented itself while flying a banner of personal liberties and physical responsibilities.” Let’s see – did you mean “coalition” and “fiscal”? At any rate, while I am no fan of Bush, those who did oppose him generally were “un Christian and unAmerican, tree hugging, pink-o, spineless cowards, liberals that just hated guns and anything military” and they would have opposed Bush if he had been a good president just because he wasn’t a communist. By the way, just how do you maobamaites portray those who oppose our present, even worse president? The best way to find out, is to go and read the posts of the left wing crazies on the Huff Post. Don’t look for much in the way of right wing posts though because the lefties hate the truth and they don’t extend the same rights to the righties that the righties extend to the lefties on their web sites.

      • bob wire

        While I don’t require your validation, about the Tea party, it’s duly noted Bob. In hind sight, you are “no great fan” of 43′s. I don’t blame you for taking such a position. While you still elect to ignore the fact, the economic pain we all suffer today all stems from decisions made and employed under his tenure is beguiling to me.

        and thanks for your spelling correction. ~ It’s was early.

        Obama is the only president we have at the moment and unlike 43, I tend to support much of his initiatives, not all, but many.

        Offer us a candidate worthy consideration besides some joke like a McCain/Palin ticket next time, is all I can offer you. Some are really annoying while I must take into consideration that he represents “every American” as president and not just mine.

        I’d rather that you be unhappy then I be unhappy Bob. It’s your turn! I was unhappy with 7 of the 8 years of 43. You are only into your 3rd year of “UNHAPPNESS” Bob. I figure, you have 5 more years to go with the ways things are stacking up today.

        Ain’t it FUN? LOL!

        • Bob

          Maobama is, without doubt, the worst president that America has ever had. The fact that you support him puts you in the company of marxists, welfare cheats, tax consumers, union thugs, most of the people in prison, illegal aliens, most of those who commit violent crimes, the ACLU, sodomites, anti-Christians, Michael Moron the lieberal propagandist, and George Soros – the archetype of the wealthy, lieberal parasite. In other words, by your own admission, you are part of the toxic waste of humanity. And, my main gripe against Bush was that he opened the door to allowing the toxic human waste of humanity to take over America.

          • bob wire

            That is your “main gripe”????? with 43?

            Well I’m with you on that, but that’s what happens when you unleash the dogs of war. People are displaced ~ but it’s but one issue I have with his administration.

            When you burn down the barn to get rid of rats, they just leave and go somewhere else while you are found short a barn.

            And Bob, your zealot bias is showing. face it, 43 is your kind of guy! and it was you that put the wind under his wings for 8 stinking years and it is you and people like you that is largely responsible for current affairs we have been left to cope with today.

          • Bud Tugly

            You live on a very sad planet, indeed. I hope that one day you may be able to forgive the rest of humanity for being mere mortals and recognize that there is value in human life and that those who disagree are not all garbage.

        • meteorlady

          Oh please, here’s some FACTS FOR YOU:

          If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

          Ask yourself who signed for the repeal of Glass-Steagall, signed up for numerous one-sided trade agreements, pushed hard for Fannie and Freddie to guarantee home loans from banks and brokerage firms. Fair Housing, allowing drug companies to advertise adding BILLIONS to the cost of prescription drugs. CLINTON

          Bush went before congress on three separate occasions asking for over-sight for Fannie and Freddie and was told by the Senate Banking Committee (Dodd/Frank) that they were well run and there were not problems. That’s on UTube unless the liberals took if off.

          • Dennis Patrick

            Bush couldn’t man up to Nancy-pants and veto her budget, eh?

          • get right

            meteorlady, you need to check your facts. Glass act was repealed during 1999 when the Congress, both houses, were controlled by the Repubs. You need to take a look at the bill and the sponsors who were repubs. In case you are not comprehending the facts, repubs had control from 1996 until 2007. I will go get the info and post it for you to see.

          • get right

            ok, meteorlady, here are two sites which show who had control… now take responsibility for the disaster which has befallen this country.

            Two wars, Medicare D, and tax cuts for the rich are your legacy. None of the above were paid for. The fiscal problems arising from the republican leadership, is a result of greed. The dems didn’t have the number to be able to stop the insanity, surely you can admit that after seeing who had control.

            http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm
            http://www.dflorig.com/partycontrol.htm

          • bob wire

            The tea party is attempting to trade one tax master for another while suggesting it will be to everyone’s benefit. ~Like maybe the state might kiss you while they have you bent over and somehow you will like the new thief much better then the old thief!

            Where the power of state governors can dissolve municipal towns and city without so much as a vote. Where a state can impose voting restriction at will. Where a governor can openly reward friends and punish adversaries and little can be done about it. Where a Governor or state powers can abridge your constitutional rights and you have little recourse.

            The tea party don’t really want smaller government , they want a smaller Fed and larger most powerful state government. They want a smaller more intrusive government, one that can send someone to your house and check your mailbox for you, see if you mowed the yard, if you have a permit for your flag pole, see how many people might live in your house, mow your lawn if it’s over 4″ tall. Where they can send you a bill for inspecting your property. Where for any non compliance or nonpayment they will attach a lien to your property where it will collect interest until you pay it or they own you.

            Now that is what you people are buying into, ~ that is what’s headed your way with this Package sold as smaller, less intrusive “government”

            It’s an attempt to transfer both wealth and power from the Fed to the state ~ This is their own special ideas of sharing of the wealth. They want to get into the sheep sheering business in a up close and personal way with a “Captive” tax payer.

            Those that can pay enough, kiss the ring and be found “worthy” much like the way the Mexican Government works at the local level, it’s a very sweet deal. I lived under such a system for a few years,~ justice for a “connected” gringo with a little loot, was affordable but it flies in the face of any notions of “liberty and justice for all”, ideas our nation was founded upon.

            I do not believe you will like the package being delivered while I can’t deny the advertised label is most appealing.

            It’s quite simple, it’s being mislabeled in much the same way Wall Street mislabeled all those loans that they sold to the whole world as A class products that was in truth something much less.

            It’s not complicated, ~ wake up and smell the coffee.

            I know what you are buying ~~ do you really know what you are being delivered? ~ I don’t believe that you do.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Get right,
            Yup the wars were wrong!! But if so, what the hell do you call us interfering in Libya????? Just remember, as bad as Bush was, he at least got the ok to go to the middle east from congress!! nobummer went all on his own!! He can’t blame ANYONE but himself for that spending but himself!!!

        • barbm

          look up gary johnson, former gov of n.m.. he’s my choice for 2012.

          • Thamera

            good gawd bob w. where on earth do you get your information????

      • BKWsr

        Bob you said it right. As to Bob wire what in the world are you and your (buddies) talking about. The Tea party is about people fed up with the Gov….There are people trying to take control of the movement to change it to their beliefs. That we need to stop. It is about people trying to stop our Gov. from becomming oppresive, to stop Taxation, and to return our Gov. back to the people. Why do people badger, and talk so bad of the Tea party movement yet have no evidence to back up your speach, or even answer a question when ask why you say what you say. It is my right as it is yours to disagree. But you do not have the right to say, or does it make me an idiot because I say something you do not like or disagree with you. The Consitution of the United States of America with the bill of rights is ours. no one has a right to change or modifie it in any way. IT IS NOT AN ANTIGUE PIECE PAPER FOR SOME COMMUNIST(socialist) GROUPS TO DISTROY. If you like Communisium (socialism) move to another country that has it.

        • bob wire

          “The Tea party is about people fed up with the Gov….There are people trying to take control of the movement to change it to their beliefs. ”

          Correct! That’s the package that is being sold to you !

          but that is not what’s being delivered Sir!

          when you finally figure that out, it will be too late.

          • meteorlady

            Maybe that is so, but I’ll take conservatives any time over liberal spend and tax Democrats paid for by the likes of George Soros and other elites that believe themselves to be above the population and local governments.

          • JIBBS

            WOW, you are so far out in left field, that you are behind the bleachers. Most people that try to beat things down, have no idea what they are talking about, and are scared of them. As for bashing Bush, please try something new, obama has been in office for almost three year’s. I didn’t care for Bush myself, but obama is know’s not what he is doing. obama being president, is like a new recruite completing basic training, then deciding that he wants to be a General..lmfao.

          • BKWsr

            Its a shame you only read a part of what I wrote. What’s sad is you actually believe in your agenda. But I have not walk in your shoes, or you mine. I know whats going on, and I have seen, and see it well. From your comments I say you do not. Maybe if you have walked in my shoes and have seen what I have you would understand. But understand. I do not support the left, but I do not support the right either, but I support the right over the left. The constitution is our document.

          • Thamera

            really bob w. please enlighten us then, what is the real agenda of the Tea Party since you seem to know so much about them.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Bob Wire… What ‘package’ are you referring to? I have never seen lies and deceit so prevalent than what the current administration spews. Most of government is in need of some sort of reform. Just getting back to basics would be a start.

          • 45caliber

            meteorlady:

            I agree with you. At least with the conservatives you can HOPE they will do the right thing. With the libs you KNOW they won’t.

          • bob wire

            45 you only hope!!!

            to the affluent right wing, a battleship is a 14 ft. row boat with one oar,their promise fulfilled !

            You are on your own!

        • get right

          BKWsr, you are right our forefather knew we needed taxes and that is why they wrote it into our Constitution. Please see http://www.jeremiahproject.com/trashingamerica/taxes.html

          You do get the idea that services and the cost of them grow with the population don’t you? They certainly understood that and provided us with the ability to tax for our needs. If you think the taxes are too high, take a look at the tax rates 50 years ago compared to todays.

          • 45caliber

            get right:

            Do you know how much FEDERAL taxes the citizens paid in – say – 1900? Zero. In fact, it was some years later before the feds decided they needed any citizen money. Until then, from the time the country was born, the money all came from tarrifs on incoming goods.

          • get right

            45, you obviously don’t know how to read or you didn’t read the link.
            It is funny how you radicals like to make up our history to fit your thinking. Check again, get the facts. We had taxes prior to 1900. Why do you think our forefathers wrote taxation into the Constitution?? You are obviously an RWA to the MAX!

          • get right

            45, TAXING OF INCOME STARTED IN 1861. Please educate yourself.

          • JIBBS

            Pay attention!

            When did the US federal government start charging income tax on its citizens?

            Answer

            The federal income tax was first enacted in 1862 to support the Union’s Civil War effort albeit the system was somewhat different than todays. It was eliminated in 1872, revived in 1894. In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The IRS Code and features of the Tax have changes many times betwen then and now.

            Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_the_US_federal_government_start_charging_income_tax_on_its_citizens#ixzz1K0Db1QzA

          • JIBBS

            History of the US Income Tax
            Compiled by Ellen Terrell
            Business Reference Services
            February 2004
            (Updated 2009)

            Overview Print Resources
            Internet Resources LC Catalog Searches

            Overview
            If, in the midst of sorting receipts and studying the latest changes in the US income tax laws, you suddenly wonder “What is the origin of this annual ritual in the weeks leading up to April 15th?” here are some places you can go for answers.

            The origin of the income tax on individuals is generally cited as the passage of the 16th Amendment, passed by Congress on July 2, 1909, and ratified February 3, 1913; however, its history actually goes back even further. During the Civil War Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1861 which included a tax on personal incomes to help pay war expenses. The tax was repealed ten years later. However, in 1894 Congress enacted a flat rate Federal income tax, which was ruled unconstitutional the following year by the U.S. Supreme Court because it was a direct tax not apportioned according to the population of each state. The 16th amendment, ratified in 1913, removed this objection by allowing the Federal government to tax the income of individuals without regard to the population of each State. For additional information on the history of taxation in the United States, see the Fact Sheet: Taxes prepared by the U. S. Treassury on the history of the U.S. tax system.

            Above:
            “That reminds me, did you file our tax return?”
            Wife’s comment while watching television show showing man in jail.
            from the Caroline and Erwin Swann Collection of Caricature & Cartoon (Library of Congress)
            Reproduction number: LC-USZ62-84088
            Left: Letter dated January 3, 1862, from Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase to President Abraham Lincoln recommending George S. Boutwell for the newly-created post of Commissioner of Internal Revenue.

            The Abraham Lincoln Papers at the Library of Congress, American Memory Collections.

            For a transcription of the letter see the taxhistory.org website.
            Further reorganization came in the 1950s, replacing the patronage system with career employees. The IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998 prompted the most comprehensive reorganization and modernization of IRS in nearly half a century and established a Taxpayer Advocate Service as an independent voice inside the agency on behalf of the taxpayer.

            April 15th has not always been the filing deadline. March 1st was the date specified by Congress in 1913, after the passage of the 16th amendment. In 1918 Congress pushed the date forward to March 15th, where it remained until the tax overhaul of 1954, when the date was again moved ahead to April 15th. For further information on the choice of April 15th as the filing date see Yahoo! and Fortune “Great questions of our age: Why is tax day April 15?” by Jessica Sung. Fortune, Apr 15, 2002. (Volume 145, Issue 8; page. 64,).

          • JIBBS

            lmao, I think you need to change you name…………..hehehe

        • Thamera

          And yet bob w. you never did answer the question…what is this package of deceit that we should be so wary of the despicable hooligans known as the tea party? oooooohhhhwahahahahahahahhaa. Scary people they are! Not!

  • Raggs

    The Tea party rallies have all been calm, peacefull and respectfull while the union gatherings have been nothing but hate mongering, disrespectfull, and violent…. Naturally the communist media will not tell the truth on this matter.

    • Mick

      Raggs says:
      April 19, 2011 at 7:54 am
      The Tea party rallies have all been calm, peacefull and respectfull while the union gatherings have been nothing but hate mongering, disrespectfull, and violent…. Naturally the communist media will not tell the truth on this matter.
      &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
      Raggs,,,

      The unions gatherings and liberal demonstrations are becoming as bad as the European protestors, it won’t be long before they start burning cars, destroying shops to force their degenerate ideas down our throats, all they’re proving is that they are nothing but thugs incapable of understand that Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” is one of the most famous phrases in the United States Declaration of Independence and if one cannot understand this simple phrase they’re not very American…

      • Raggs

        I guess we will see what will take place next month by the unions… I have heard that they have plans to tear down the US in protest throughout the states… The sad thing is the democommunist party is right behind them…

      • 45caliber

        Mick:

        Back in about 1967 or so, they had the Detroit Riots. Remember those? The citizens burned cars, looted buildings, etc.

        The state police were called out to put it down – and failed.
        The National Guard were called out to put it down – and failed.

        Finally they sent in the US Army. Until that time, the media supported the military in all ways. The Army put down the riots in three days. Actually less – they were only there three days.

        The reason was simply. The military simply stated – and meant it – that no one was going to be allowed to commit any crime. You were arrested if you tried. The rest had orders to do nothing to cause the rioters problems UNLESS they were trying to kill someone.

        After that the media hasn’t supported the military at all. They were upset because the military ruined their great story. I dont’ think they have gotten over it yet.

        If the violent groups want to create similar riots again, I think they should be warned. The military hasn’t revised their opinion of committing crimes.

        • Mick

          45caliber says:
          April 19, 2011 at 1:01 pm
          Mick:

          Back in about 1967 or so, they had the Detroit Riots. Remember those? The citizens burned cars, looted buildings, etc.

          ************************
          45caliber,,,I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me .
          So much for the Liberal Peaceful claims , we’re heading back this way in a hurry…

    • JUKEBOX

      The Union and Liberal thugs proved their “TOLERANCE” by booing during the singing of the national anthem at that rally.

      • Raggs

        Yeah seen that… cursing at a 13 year old girl as well.

        Boy real level headed people huh?…

        • Bob

          Sexually offensive curses if I remember right – typical union members. She was lucky there was a crowd, otherwise she may have been sexually assaulted by those good democrats.

        • JIBBS

          I was in a union for 15 years, I know what they stand for, I and want nothing to do with them ever again! Thugs and self serving p&%$ks.

          • Mick

            JIBBS …You’ve said it……………..No doubt about it.

      • Stan Smith

        More of Libtards Union Thugs!
        http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=18049

    • get right

      Raggs, violent??? Show me the facts. What violence? You a pulling a typical repub stunt. Wisconsin had union people, both repub and dem fighting for the right of representation. You know, that thing that is provided by our Constitution. Stop watching Faux news and acknowledge the fact that unions are the reason we have, vacations, lunch breaks, 40hr work week, child labor laws, workmens compensation when injured on job, discrimination laws, etc. You are aware that all industrialized countries have unions aren’t you? The standard of living has been a direct result of unions fighting for employees rights. If you want to go back to the time of sweatshops, find another country.

      • Thamera

        yes getitright, violent and hateful. If you haven’t seen that on more than one occasion then you are obviously a victim of selective hearing and sight!

      • Bob

        Unions are the reson we have closed factories, overpriced products, bankrupt (or near bankrupt) government, and, because of their support of the democrats, they are also responsible for the mass murder of babies, welfare, EEO, affirmative action, and a country teetering on the verge of collapse. And, by the way, 40 hour work weeks and too much time off are the reasons why this country is becoming a country of lazy drones.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        get right… The unions served a good purpose at one time. They are now greedy and hateful. We will never go back to sweat shops and OSHA is now in place for factories, so if the unions were to ‘fold’, we would be so much better off. My father was a union man and I was in a union once. Never again if I can help it. I don’t care for their tactics and I do not want to be a part of their agenda.

        • 45caliber

          Exactly. I fully agree with you. The problem is that the unions, like many of the government departments, have outlived their usefulness.

          • JIBBS

            Now thats on point, well stated!

        • get right

          Robin, OSHA, that is another regulating body that you repubs want to do away with. You must not be up to date on the radical rights political agenda. You are too funny for words.

          • bob wire

            it’s a double edges sword “get it right”

            do you have the time and focus to go there? for I can offer blow by blow 5 years of personal testimony that would curl your hair, made you so confessed you don’t know where to $hit or wind your watch?

            no boast intended. Just human suffering at the cost of “one person” caught in a ‘system” . Is it considered ~ “long shore-man” or “mariner” ?

            There is a distinct difference.

            simple word, makes a difference.

            I came within a inch of being just a turd more then once!

            Only at 63, do I appetite such long odds!

      • Andrea B

        There is a huge difference between public sector unions and private sector unions. What you’re describing as the ‘benefits’ of unions were mostly attained on the backs of private sector workers. In the public sector, the boss is the federal government and the payroll is funded by the taxpayer…there is no child labor, and the 8 hour work day has been set-in-stone. If the federal government is the boss, exactly WHO is the public union defending the worker FROM? What threat are they under, and WHO is the threat that will force them to slave away under such horrific conditions? Don’t worry…I’ll wait.

        Scott Brown doesn’t want to take anything away from the PRIVATE sector…that’s the ‘industrial’ America that you refer to…those of us that pay 50% for our health insurance, and 90% of our pension. And he doesn’t want to take away collective bargaining rights away when it comes to wage negotiations. He just want’s to increase THEIR portion of healthcare and pension obligations.

        Yes, I know that sounds terrible, right? But when you consider that the taxpayer (that’s YOU and ME) is already paying them approx 20-25% higher than their private sector counterparts, AND we’re paying for 100% of their pension, AND we’re paying for 98.5% of their health insurance costs, well, you begin (I hope) to see the unfairness of it all.

        If you still think they are right to oppose what Gov. Brown wants to do, then consider that he offered to slightly decrease the taxpayers obligation on ALL of their pensions and MOST of their healthcare costs, in order to SAVE THEIR UNION BROTHERS AND SISTERS from a lay-off…and STILL they protest.

        When you consider that SOME of the public sector employees don’t have the luxury of striking (police officers and emergency workers, etc) Gov. Brown has included in his legislation that THOSE workers will not be included.

        It’s good to reward those who feel a strong moral obligation to serve and protect; and it’s also good to bring attention to those that feel no moral obligation to educate and do the jobs that taxpayers are paying them to do, rather than to go screaming at their elected officials to squeeze even more out of the taxpayers!

        It’s very easy to see what happens when you become too dependent on the nanny state.

        I don’t know who said this, but I’ve heard it many times:

        A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.

        I don’t know about you, but I take that as a warning to people that live on government entitlements.

      • 45caliber

        get right:

        Sorry, that is union propaganda. I don’t believe a word of it.

        • get right

          45, You seriously need some history lessons. Instead of just repeating the mantra, do some research and try to open that RWA mind set, letting in the facts and not the “talking points” provided by the repubs.

          • 45caliber

            I still don’t believe it. Yes, unions wanted some of that stuff. So did everyone else. I don’t believe that this was granted solely because of unions.

            In fact, several of these items are not law even today. They were simply agreed to by various companies due to employee interest as a way to get around paying additional taxes to the government in lue of paying more wages.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        get right,
        what do you call the damage done to the capitol building in Wisconsin??? windows busted, a door broke in, trash all over the place!!! That isn’t violent???

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Oh, that’s right, according to your hero, blowing up buildings and killing people here in the US are just examples of mischief!!!! Sorry, I forgot!!

      • Thamera

        neither of your links worked getright…btw how old are you and where are YOU getting YOUR information????

      • Mick

        get right says:
        April 19, 2011 at 11:02 am
        Raggs, violent??? Show me the facts. What violence? You a pulling a typical repub stunt. Wisconsin had union people, both repub and dem fighting for the right of representation. You know, that thing that is provided by our Constitution. Stop watching Faux news and acknowledge the fact that unions are the reason we have, vacations, lunch breaks, 40hr work week, child labor laws, workmens compensation when injured on job, discrimination laws, etc. You are aware that all industrialized countries have unions aren’t you? The standard of living has been a direct result of unions fighting for employees rights. If you want to go back to the time of sweatshops, find another country
        **************************
        get right,,,Like every good Liberal you have NO happy medium..
        No unions would result at sweatshops conditions according to your warped mind…Get real for once…
        The Unions have been pushing the envelope for years resulting of poor workmanship in every areas of our lives, what was a good thing 30 years ago has turned many in our society into a bunch of duds, the unions standards are mediocre at best and America can’t no longer afford this type of greed and mediocrity if we’re to regain our status in the world.

  • Norm

    Boston city proper had a population of 617,594 according to the 2010 U.S. Census. Boston is also the anchor of a substantially larger metropolitan area called Greater Boston, home to 4.5 million people and the tenth-largest metropolitan area in the country.
    Several hundred people represent a raindrop in an ocean. Like the teabaggers the number is insignificant and irrelevant!

    • Raggs

      Norm … your disgusting why do you insist on name calling?

      • Doc Sarvis

        If you are new to this site you may not realize that most of the folks who post here routinely resort to name calling. Sad but true.

        • Bob

          I guess we got it from the Huff Post where the lieberals such as yourself vent their hatred of everything good and decent. By the way, I can’t think of any “name” that is too offensive to even come close to describing the Party of Satan (aka the demoncrats).

          • Doc Sarvis

            So it is not your practice to rise above bad habits of certain others, even those you find loathsome, but rather to copy their bad habits. That too is sad.

          • Mick

            Doc Sarvis says:
            April 19, 2011 at 8:56 am
            So it is not your practice to rise above bad habits of certain others, even those you find loathsome, but rather to copy their bad habits. That too is sad.

            “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
            Doc ,,,it comes a time when we have to fight fire with fire.
            just like the criminals , we have to think like them in order to catch them,,,,

          • Raggs

            It must be the democratic way to start a fight and then blame it on the other guy and if you can’t get a fight started push the other guy into starting it.

        • bob wire

          Yea Doc, I’m all but done here. It’s time to move on and I know that will be welcome news by many ~ As far as name calling goes, ~ I think Bob get the prize for the most”improvement” made. He’s came a long way to being darn near civil compared to his first arrival.

          Even i41 has made small improvements in name calling, But there is a new bunch coming aboard today and my attention wanes.

          I’ve enjoyed Livingston’s forum, it’s always lively with few hold barred but I hate ruts and enjoy replacing old bad habits with new bad habits from time to time.

          I Enjoyed you all,both friends and foe, keep up the “good fight”

          bw

          • Bob

            Going back to the hate speech capitol of the world; the Huff Post? Sorry, but you won’t be missed and the Anus and others will be glad to blather on while your gone.

          • JIBBS

            Most people leave the kitchen when it gets hot, are you starting to sweat?

          • Jovianus

            Bob…don’t worry. I’ll hang out to talk common sense and give the true facts and state of affairs, straighten out the lies and untruths, and tell it like it really is…not the way you’re told by your Masters to think as they program you to think.

          • Thamera

            for you regulars here, is this a common speech of bob w? As for Jovi, you NEVER present any facts! LMAO

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jovianus,
            you mean your gonna do a complete 180???? Gee dudette, I knew you could do it!!!! I’ll be watching for your “truths” and “proofs”!!!!

        • 45caliber

          Doc:

          If you are calling someone a name that doesn’t fit, it is name-calling. If you call someone an idiot – and it fits like a glove – then it isn’t name-calling. It is a fact. Sadly, we have too many people who fit those names – and most of them are not conservative.

          • bob wire

            I always knew i liked you 45 and only now do I know why.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Raggs… I agree. Norm must be a very sad man with nothing better to do. I could say a lot of hateful things and call names to all the liberals who post, but I try to exercise self-control and not let myself drop to that level.

        • Raggs

          Yup that is the problem with all dems / liberals the lack of self control so they have to have the government do their thinking for them.

      • Norm

        Raggs
        What “name” bothers you?

        • Raggs

          What name bothers me?…. Norm

          • Norm

            Raggs
            Typical teabagger.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Gee Norm, you must be a teabagger as that would be the only way I can think of that you would know what is typical of them!!!

        • Thamera

          It is obvious that Norm has a very limited vocabulary

    • barbm

      when i first heard the term “teabagger,” i thought the left were just too stupid to know the difference between tea party and tea bag. then i found out that tea bagging is. why do dems know so much about homosexuality?

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        barbm… I thought that, too. But as far as Norm goes, he has spewed his hatred for conservatives for quite some time on this blog. He knows exactly what he is saying and hoping to bring about responses that will guarantee that he has ticked a conservative off. I try very hard not to lower myself to his standards.

      • 45caliber

        barbm:

        That was my first thought too. How did the Dems all immediately know what a tea bagger was? I certainly didn’t know and no one I know here locally had any idea either.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Norm . . . the “baggers” are with Krazy Nancy in SanFran . . . you a bagger Norm or just “Flammin”????

      Standard and Poors yesterday DOWNGRADED USA credit . . . first time in history . . . another first for the “Won” . . . .

      The Tea Party is the Last Great Hope for America . . . . the “Sheeple” will either wake up or we will become Greece!!!

      • Norm

        . Dale on the left coast
        I never heard the term teabagger until one of the gun packers on this blog explained it to me.
        A lot of homos like to carry guns and drive big cars. It’s a way of covering up, I guess.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          See what I mean Norm? you seem to know all aspects of them!!!

          • Thamera

            LOL

  • Doc Sarvis

    The article states; ” Although the rally failed to draw the same numbers as last year, when former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin delivered the keynote speech, the Tea Party movement appears to be picking up momentum as next year’s general election approaches.” An interesting observation that lower numbers this year equates to picking up momentum. Twisted logic from my point of view.

    • Bob

      “Twisted logic from my point of view”

      That is complete irony coming from a lieberal whose posts don’t show any sign of logical thinking.

      • Doc Sarvis

        So to you a smaller gathering is a sign of a growing movement? Astonishing!

        • Bob

          The fact that they even had a handful in a marxist sewer like boston shows that they not only have staying power, but that they have courage. I am surprised the the rabid, degenerate, collectivists of beantown didn’t call out the SEIU brownshirts to massacre them.

          • Doc Sarvis

            It would seem to me that Bostonians must be a rather tollerant and open minded set of folks. Maybe you are wrong about them.

          • Andrea B

            It was the ‘diet-soda’ branch of the Tea Party…it had to be, since the Mayor of Boston outlawed sugary drinks on government property.

            In Chicago, it will be the ‘school lunches ONLY’ branch of the Tea Party, because some a-hole over there outlawed brown-bag/home-made lunches!

            With all of these trivial rules being plopped down arbitrarily all over the country, a veritable ‘patch-work’ of rules (where have I heard THAT before???), how is anyone, anywhere, supposed to know when they’re breaking a law?? DOH! That’s right…we’re not supposed to know…that way they can arrest us for having a Mt. Dew if they don’t like what’s on our Tea Party sign; or they can TAX/FINE us if we send our kid to school with a freakin’ cookie…or they can have TSA agents at the schools to check under our sons ‘teabags’ for Jolly Ranchers and our daughters bras for bubble gum.

            Think that’s outrageous?

            It is.

            And it’s also true.

          • JIBBS

            @ andrea b, I’m sorry, but the school lunchs only was put into affect by the dumocrats of Chicago and the teachers union. I wish you would pay attention. I just moved from Chicago back in Oct., I lived there for 46 years. And no, I’m not a deumocrat. FYI, Chicago has always been a dumocrat city, you must not watch the news at all…mainstream or Fox. I would think that you would know that, thats where you buddy Rahm is now king.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Bob,
            Nah, they were afraid their brown shirts would get their assets kicked!!! We don’t start trouble,but we are quite handy at settling it!!

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Doc… They have to start somewhere. From what I understand most of the east coast has been mainly liberal. Conservatives stepping up in any numbers is a step in the right direction… no pun intended!

      • 45caliber

        Bob:

        It may not be logical thinking but it is certainly wishful thinking.

  • Carlucci

    I don’t mind that they are attacking B.O., but why don’t they really get into the nitty gritty and tell the American people the real truth about him, the Federal Reserve, the U.N.’s Agenda 21, and all of the other nefarious plans the PTB have waiting in the wings?

    The fact that they’ve got Sarah Palin up there as a mouthpiece tells me that we’re in for more of the same. She has already shown her true colors by campaigning for McCain and Rick Perry.

    • Cawmun Cents

      What you are failing to see is that Mrs.Palin is trying to keep the republican party from dividing,thereby handing BO an easy victory in 2012.The ancient addage divide and conquer,is what these folks who you think are liberals trying to state their opinions,are foisting on you.If you are busy trying to figure out what is going on next year when the election rolls around,you will have handed yourselves another 4 years of BO.THE THING IS THAT MOST OF YOU SHOULD BE WISE TO THIS SITUATION AND SHOULD BE GATHERING BEHIND A DECENT(Republican) CANDIDATE.But you are content to be mal-content and the democrats are banking on that.So when they barnstorm you in next years election,dont say that you werent warned.The nice folks like,Jovianus,bob wire,Doc Sarvis,Eric Bischoff,etc.etc.,are leading you down the primrose path.They want you divided and compartmentalized so that their man is assured his victory.Victory over your freedoms.Victory over your moral fiber.Victory over your Americanism,Victory over your integrity.Victory over your shameless capitalism.Victory over your Constitutionalism,Victory over your way of life,supplanted by doing what you are told by those who wish to make you a Global Citizen.That is what you are facing.So its time to “put up or shut up”as the wise Mr.Nugent once said.Put up a fight,or shut the hell up and be relegated to subservience by the Ivy League Academics Home For Disturbed Liberal Progressives.Yes…I called them progressives….as it is likely that they will win the day,if you dont rally the troops.

      • Carlucci

        Well Cawmun, your post makes no sense to me. I thought the Tea Party stood for dividing and exposing the Republican Party – as in separating the posers (RINOs) from the true conservatives. While I do like Sarah Palin, I think she is a poser, based on her actions and the people she has campaigned for. To me, a true Tea Party candidate is someone like Rand Paul. We need many more like him.

        You may believe that “Jovianus,bob wire,Doc Sarvis,Eric Bischoff,etc.etc.,are leading you down the primrose path”, but you couldn’t be more wrong.

        • Cawmun Cents

          You deserve what is coming to you.

          • Carlucci

            So do you.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Thank you….He is good.

        • 45caliber

          Carlucci:

          If the Tea Party stood for only dividing and conquering the GOP I’d never support it in the first place. While it is certainly their goal to get rid of the RINOs, it is meant more to return us to the days of limited government and low taxes with a strong military. No offense intended, but you might wish to reevaluation your thinking about it.

          I won’t say that Palin is the best politician in the world but at least she aided her own state get rid of some bad people – including some GOP members. That counts for somethng to me. I can understand her campaigning for McCain – after all, he appointed her as his running mate. Perry isn’t much (I live here in Texas) but he is certainly better than many who have tried to run against him. Actually I’d like to see him replaced with a good conservative but the GOP doesn’t want to do that here.

          • get right

            45, you are aware that you and I and the rest of the taxpayers are funding the state of Alaska aren’t you? For every dollar they send the Fed’s they get back $5.76. Enough to give every citizen regardless of age, $23,000 every year. She also has her son inrolled in the Federal Health Plan for natural born natives, as her son has 1/16 native blood. So you are also paying for a multimillionaires health care for her child… She is such a hypocrite and you are in the dark about her state.

          • Carlucci

            45, I understand what the Tea Party is about. But I just don’t trust Sarah Palin in the political arena. I like her, I think she is as cute as a button, and I got really angry at that awful Katie Couric who did her best to make S.P. look bad (didn’t work – in fact, I think it backfired). But I’ve said before (in my opinion) that Sarah Palin’s credibility went down to zero as soon as she and her family started acting like publicity hounds. That’s all fine and good when you want to grab the brass ring, make money, and get your fifteen minutes of fame, but I think it diminishes a person’s credibility and makes them appear shallow when they are running for office.

          • JIBBS

            @ get right, you need to provide some facts! I have a life long friend that just moved from Alaska to Florida last year, you are stupidly wrong about each and everyone in the state getting $23,000 a year. Are you really that dumb? or did you attend public school? WTF, I’ll bet that your on the welfare dole!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            get right,
            Get your Freakin facts right!!! That check that the people of Alaska that STAY THERE YEAR ROUND, get is from oil royalties!!! We the people don’t pay that, dig a little deeper you AZZ!!

          • 45caliber

            Yes, they do. I understand why. Do you? Further, they do NOT give that money away to their citizens as your comment seems to read. Perhaps you didnt’ mean it that way.

            Alaska isn’t the only state to get more money than they send in. Several other states are the same. I don’t necessarily agree to how they use it, but I do know that she helped her state, whether you like it or not. As far as her being President? I don’t know. But I do know she has more experience than Oblama has and can’t do much worse than he has done.

          • Thamera

            all I can say about getright is wow and he/she really needs to change his/her screen name…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            The subject was about taxes and that was what I was refering to! We don’t pay IN TAXES for those checks. those checks come from a deal that Palin made with the oil companies. You try to live there for one year on what you make right now. milk is over 5.00 a gallon, bread 4.50 a loaf, and the hospitals were owned by the unions, I’m not sure that is still true. t was a sweet system for the unions. The retired employees paid to the unions for their health care, half the stores were theirs as well. So they collected about half to three quarters of the retirees pay!!

  • http://com i41

    The niggardly behavior of the regressive depressive soros socialists is not being reported by the marxist/communist media, and never will. The marxist muslim moron and his lap b–ches of the dumbocrap party, have done in 2 years exactly what George Soros wanted and planned. Onumnutts and his queer gang of envior squirrels, gave billions of borrowed money to soros’s company. So that Brazil can drill and sell to the USA, Onumnutts purple lips stated that and stops drilling in the USA, that is needed to make our own energy depency possible instead of wasting a billion a day to other countries. Since the EPA is a democrat agency to create impedements and regulations to make USA look like a dictatorship and a 3rd world country. Dems will not ever get away for trying to make everyone a ward of the government. It is so beltway slubs can make sure private business is completely controlled by government or a sham private/government run operation. Now if the marxist/communist socialist smucks on this site would explain why they love this arrangement so much, it will explain their stupidity and mental midget non thinking!

    • 45caliber

      Your writing is getting much better. I can better understand you now.

      • Raggs

        LOL :)

  • newspooner

    People who improperly attack the Tea Parties as angry violent racists should have been in Worcester, Taxachusetts yesterday to see the Tea Party Rally there. As always, the Rally was properly conducted with dignity and enthusiasm. Linclon Square was left cleaner than it was before the Rally. The police officers were impressed. As predicted, the communist troublemakers (organized and supported by union goons and organized crime) showed up to try to disrupt proceedings and interfere with traffic, but the police and undercover security personnel handled the situation promptly and properly. The communists puppets only succeeded in showing how ignorant they are. There was far more “racial diversity” in the Tea Party crowd than there was among the communists who are, of course, the real racists since they support government racism (euphemistically called “affirmative action”) and coercion.

  • Bob

    because we are running out of time, I pray that the Tea Party gains enough support to force the Republicans to demand that the budget be balanced by slashing spending instead of raising taxes. It is time to quit turning over our wealth to a malignant government such as the one we have today. We must outlaw unions, slash government salaries, end welfare and other programs, end foreign aid, defund the UN, NPR, PBS, and the Nasty Endowment for the Arts. We must eliminate the labor, EEO, and education departments and end all types of corporate handouts. Then we have to do the same thing to all governemnt at all levels. Governemnt should be reduced to where it consumes no more than 10 percent of our wealth.

    • Dennis Patrick

      Bob says: “It is time to quit turning over our wealth to a malignant government such as the one we have today.” Yes, Bob – it should all go to our corporate masters. I mean, who really needs food safety or building infrastructure regulations? Work-safety laws are for wimps! I think the elderly can turn off “Matlock” and go out and get a job instead of getting a dime that the Koch Brothers, Bechtel and Halliburton and Dick Cheney should have. And children too -why are we funding their playtime (disguised as education) when they can be sowing up soccer balls or building iPhones for 15 hours a day in a factory like Chinese children are doing?

      • Bob

        This isn’t China and yes, I would rather see the money go to corporations than the lazy, parasitic, toxic human waste that is consuming my tax dollars now. I would rather live under corporate tyranny than the tyranny of the ignorant, lazy, and parasitic (aka the democrats). The John Gaults of the world are a hell of a lot better leaders than the marxist scum we have leading us now.

        • Gregg Jackson

          But Bobby, the John Gaults and David Kochs of the world step on insignificant slime like you when you are used up. I take it that you will decline your social security benefits when offered? If unemployed, you will decline any assistance? If poised by tainted beef, you will not complain? You will not resort to litigation (it’s all frivolous, right?) if your backyard is polluted intentionally by Koch Industries?

          Or are you just another phoney conservative: do as I say, not as I do – like your misguided, warped hero Ayn Rand? You can go on worshipping fictional charters like Gault or J.R. Ewing or the cast of Glee for all it matters. You can go on believing some crackpot version of history trumped by liars like David Barton – but this is not liberty and freedom as outlined in the constitution. It is tyranny and economic hegemony by those in the dominant groups in society (R’s and D’s). If you are here, you really are a HAVE NOT and you will be used and discarded by those who HAVE. Enjoy!!!

          • Bob

            As I said earlier, I crave the contempt of collectivist scum such as yourself because you are liars and your true leader is Satan. By the way, nitwit, I paid into social security – it is not a gift from the government. As usual, you do nothing but lie, lie, lie.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Gregg Jackson… What kind of soapbox are you spewing such ludicrous rantings about?

          • Dale on the left coast

            Gregg . . . do you live in a “Parallel Universe”???

            You sound like Olberman on Steroids.

            You must be one of the 30 odd percent of the sheeple that think the “Won” in the WH is doing a Great Job . . . LOL

          • 45caliber

            Gregg:

            Who the heck is Ayn Rand? I never heard of her.

          • Thamera

            And Gregg has probably never even read Ayn Rand. If your interested 45 here’s a link: http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_ayn_rand_aynrand_biography

      • Thamera

        Dennis the king of hyperbole. NO one is advocating for anything you just wrote in your post and only illustrates your bias, prejudice and ignorance.

  • http://com i41

    bob wire, again you are talking out your lower vent. WhenWhorehound put a massive amount of desert land in the SW some in Utah that has one of the biggest coal desposits and massive oil reserves off limits. Was the start of more dependancy on forgeign energy. It was approved and promoted by the senic beaty bs dumbocraps. Just the coal mine would have employed over 6,00 workers and the coal would have went to China, which is always looking for energy sources. Senic beaty and federal land s cost billions of taxpayers money and create nothing but more costs. The best description of a democap is still a repressive despressive group of marxist/communist socialists who want to destroy the country. GW sure wasn’t great Prez, but it will be decades before employment ever gets to what it was in hs time in office or the steady growth of funds coming in to the Treasury. Be glad Onumnutts and his lap b–ches weren’t in control when 9/11 happened, talking and tea parties sure has worked for the jug eared bastard! Of course he probably would have got Cylpso Louie Fkakoon and “rev” wrong would have been his czars to negoiate with these pedophile goat abusers, all their same ilk as Onumnutts.

  • Les

    As a Conservative who still thinks American can be saved from the current aliens occupying our White House, my main focus now is how to make the biggest contribution during the 2012 election to move BHO out of office. Last year our efforts resulted in electing a Conservative Congressman for our district. I encourage all Conservatives to start thinking how they can contribute their talents in 2012 to win!

    • Raggs

      I figure one of the best ways to get rid of the imposter in chief is to keep giving him more rope, he is screwing himself and the country. I believe people are seeing just what kind of knit-wit he really is. Just look at the S&P downgrading the US credit rating to negative.
      If that doesn’t reflect an idiot in chief what will?

      • JIBBS

        Six feet of rope, on an eight foot cliff.

        • 45caliber

          Don’t need a cliff. There are a lot of very good trees in the US.

      • Doc Sarvis

        The S & P rating downgrade reflects poorly on congress, the president, AND the corporate giants who run our country. A government of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%.

        • Bob

          And maobama and the maocrats have their hands in the pockets of most of these corporate giants.

          • Doc Sarvis

            And the Republicans do not??? Come on!

          • Raggs

            Yeah when obama was preaching about investing he damm sure wasn’t talking about investments in America unless it was to pull money from our pockets to give it to the unions.

          • 45caliber

            Bob:

            I can just see Soros, Oblama, the Kennedys, and most of the other rich Democrats actually paying any additional taxes on the “rich”. They don’t seem to be paying them now unless they must be open about it like Oblama. On the other hand, I understand that Oblama is the proud owner of over a billion dollars worth of stock in companies like the oil company in Brazil – and none of that was declared on his income tax form.

      • Norm

        Raggs
        The downgrade was due to the lack of confidence that Congress would ever agree to a solution to the deficit problems.
        The tea party solutions are totally unrealistic, exceptionally painful to the middle class, and a free ride to the very rich. Their total refusal to compromise or even listen to their own party leaders, coupled with their desire to default on government obligations, is the cause of market fears.
        I’m invested in stocks and I don’t appreciate days like yesterday.

        • Raggs

          Oh come on Norm… The debt ceiling is once again hitting the US in the head due to obamas buy-out’s, cash-4-clunkers, union buy-offs, non-stimulus programs, billions of dollars spent on teaching America that obama-death care is a good thing. I can go on for months…

          By now even a stupid person can see WE ARE BROKE.

        • 45caliber

          Norm:

          Who do you consider the “middle class”? The ones paying the majority of the taxes? Or those on Welfare who get the “free” money?

          I hardly think that the Tea Party solutions is going to seriously harm what I consider as the middle class. If anything, we should be better off.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            You might have a point there! If these welfare handouts keep getting bigger they might just become “middle class”!!!!!

          • Raggs

            Joe.. I have heard that once before… “the lower class is now the new middle class”.. Class warfare.. The upper class is now the “new middle class”.. while the “elite” remain on top of the food chain.

    • Bob

      And not just in D.C. – We must defeat all democrats from the school house to the Whitehouse.

  • Robert D

    Currently our national debt is 14.8 Trillion dollars.

    That is an unfathomable amount of money that is hard to comprehend even for our congressional members.

    Let’s break that down into increments just to get a feel for how much money that really is.

    Let’s say you make $50,000.00 a year until retirement age (68) starting at age 20.

    48 years of service x $50K = $2,400,000.00 (2.4 million) in a lifetime. Remember there are billions before you get to trillions.

    You would have to work 42 lifetimes just to exceed $1 billion dollars in earnings, and 6.17 million lifetimes to equal our national debt.

    The current population is 308.4 million people and according to quickfacts.census.gov there are 105,408,101 households in the USA X $52,029.00 average household income = $5,488,024,174,929.00 (5.5 trillion) in total US income. It would take all households giving up their entire yearly salaries for nearly 3 years to payoff the current national debt.

    Now let’s assume you spend $1 million a day every day and let’s see where that takes us.

    $1 million x 365 days in a year = $365,000,000.00 ($365 million) per year

    $365 million a year x 2011 years (calendar years A.D.) = $744,015,000,000.00 (744 billion) or (0.75 Trillion)

    NOW FOR THE NATIONAL DEBT

    14.8 TRILLION or $14,800,000,000,000.00 (that is a lot of zeros) divided by $1 million per day spent = 14,800,00 days or 40,548 years

    So it would take 40,548 years (or 14,800,000 days) of spending $1 million dollars a day every day to equal $14.8 trillion.

    Vote Tea Party in 2012.

  • Buddy

    This nation is just too big to be run by a small group (~700 people) in an insulated enclave who have demonstrated that they are woefully inadequate for the job.

    The predicable result is a break-up of the USA union. Those who are under 55 years of age may see the break-up during their life times.

    • Bob

      Partition may be the only hope of salvaging some of the American dream. That way the parasites can ruin their own country without dragging the rest of us down with them. In the long run, after the collectivists like anus, doc, jopa, and the rest have ruined their part of the country, we can take it back and deport them to Cuba or China where they will be more at home.

      • Raggs

        Amen to that …Twice!

    • 45caliber

      Buddy:

      I sat down and came up with all the ways we could get rid of the debt. We could pay it off (but I don’t see that happening). We could repudiate it (but I’m certain some of our Federal judges would be happy to stop that). We could declare bankruptcy (but we’ve done that once and ended up in the shape we are now. Futher, I’m sure some judge would object.) We can have a Civil War – and the winner insist that the country no longer owes the money since it isn’t the same country. Or we could break up our country.

      I think you are right. I think the breakup of our country into several smaller countries is the only solution.

      However, consider what we would end up with as countries. It requires raw materials, population, and military resources to maintain any country that can retain our present way of life. Texas and possibly California are the only two that might do this – and California don’t have that many raw materials they will allow to be touched. Most areas of the country have one or two of these items but not all three. New England, for example, has the population and military presence (since they want to make sure they can defend themselves) but little raw materials. The NW has raw materials but not so many people and hardly any military presence.

      • get right

        Please take Texas, AZ, OKC and go off in the sunset and be happy. Of course you will have to protect yourselves and don’t expect to use the national electric grid, or anything else that the rest of us pay for. Go ride horses, and enjoy.

        • Raggs

          No the problem is I pay for it you use it.

          I’m sick of being used, now if you need a place to go I will suggest a free spa bring your own water….

        • Carlucci

          That’s a great idea. We can all get along just fine without you and those of your ilk. We’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces, singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.

          • Carlucci

            P.S. I was talking to “get right” (whose name is oh so wrong…)

          • Raggs

            He will only do that if we.. I mean the government pay’s for it… same thing huh… And then when he is drunk off of koolaid he will sue us for abuse.

        • 45caliber

          get right:

          I wish we could. It wouldn’t be us who loses the electricl grid – a lot of that power comes from those three states. In fact, the big laugh I had was when LA decided to not buy anything from AZ over their attempt to seal the border there. They would have lost all the electrical power that AZ produces and sends to them.

          Further, you would lose all the gas and oil we produce. In fact, if you live in the NE you would be in serious trouble in winter since it all comes from us – unless you could talk Mass into drilling their own oil. Your military would also be in trouble since approximately 1/8th of the military comes from Texas alone. Your food problems would mean being hungry as well since those three states produce huge amounts of beef.

          Yes, I’ve no trouble in the three of those states doing their own thing. I can just hear the screams now from NE alone …

        • JIBBS

          on the dole, troll

  • barbm

    i saw an article on yahoo news last night that said, since hardly anybody showed up to protest in d.c., the tea party is losing steam. we happen to be working people with families, so we can’t show up for a different rally every week. that’s especially true of rallies held in other states. i laughed when i read the story. if that’s what they really believe, boy are they in for a surprise nov 2012!!

    • Bob

      You are right – it is the collectivists who can easily take off from their worthless union and government jobs to demonstrate.

      • 45caliber

        They get paid to go. We don’t.

        • Raggs

          We pay them to make an ass out of this country.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Raggs,
            no, they ARE the asses of this country!!!

          • Raggs

            I was kinnda thinking they are the smelly part that drops out.

          • Raggs

            Well ya know they need some fresh air once in a while, too bad they stink everything else up..

    • Raggs

      barbm… Your right, and look how they try to portray the tea party as racist all of the while the unions are cursing the American flag and little defenceless girls and the media say’s nothing.

      • 45caliber

        Have you ever noticed that there isn’t a lot of that going on in the South, and in particular Texas? I fully believe that it is because most of us here have guns – and we tend to get riled whenever someone starts that. I suspect that if some union thugs came here and started cursing some small girl like that, they just might not go back home. Instead they might become guests at a special party in their honor and then be given their very own six foot by three foot Texas land grant.

        • get right

          45, your comments and your thinking shows just how radical you are. Now if somebody curses, you have the right to put them 6 ft under?? I can’t wait for your type to start dying off.

          • Carlucci

            Really get right? Well, the feeling is mutual. You and those of your ilk are nothing but a pox on this great nation.

          • Raggs

            get wrong… when that happens you are F–ked, no more citizens to control, no more use for your lies so what will you do with yourself?
            Who will you then feed off of?

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            get right… If you are waiting for conservatives, gun toting, Bible clutching Americans to die off, who will support you?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Carlucci, Raggs,
            Don’t let him get to you!!! He wants you to get pissed off so you will say something that might get you in trouble!!! He is nothing but the north end of a south bound horse!! He’s not worth it!! BE COOL, GUYS!!!

          • Carlucci

            Joe H – “get wrong” isn’t getting to us. He’s just another one in a long line of libtards. I wonder if he was planted here from Moveon.org or ACORN…

          • Raggs

            Well he is a blow-hard and who cares.

          • 45caliber

            get right:

            I’m radical if I object to you cursing at a young girl? What would you call what you were doing? Normal? If it is normal where you live, please stay there and keep all the rest with you. But let me know where it is so I can avoid it. We call it radical if someone does NOT object to that!

          • Thamera

            “I can’t wait for your type to start dying off” says get wrong…and WHO is radical????

        • barbm

          words from a great song played on my favorite country station. “Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun, And you might meet ‘em both if you show up here not welcome son” and that’s a fact – cha, cha, cha. :)

        • 45caliber

          get right:

          If you start cursing a small girl here like was done elsewhere, you might not get killed – but you’d probably wish you did. A couple of months in the hospital watching soap operas can get old quick. And don’t think no one would do it – or that the police would come to your rescue. In fact, you might find some of them helping to punish you. It just isn’t done.

          There is a big difference here in cursing – and cursing someone else. You can curse if you wish but most people don’t like being cursed. Particularly fathers of little girls.

          • libertytrain

            I seriously doubt if she would tolerate anyone cursing her young daughter if she had one or remembers what being a parent is about and that the other grown-ups have an obligation not to curse her daughter — this gal is always contrary no matter what is said.

          • Thamera

            If get wrong even has children…now there’s a question…

          • Mike in MI

            mera -
            get wrong has no children…just eight abortions she’s trying to raise.

  • http://com i41

    Bob. agree on the fine education programs and school systems coming for decades from the refressive depressive dumbocraps. The idoits that think pumping more money will improve the education of students. Never will just more feel good crap and multi culturism crap. If these s–t birds want to have their culture intact go back where they came from, in a 3rd world dung heap, goes for muslims, mexicans, any other sorry azzed group, assimulate or get the hell out of here, and that should include Onumnutts and all dumbocraps. The Tea Party isn’t the ones acting like radical loons like the unions and black panther muslim jbs and all the dumbocraps are. All should be carrying and probably would see alittle more civility.

    • Bob

      This is the lieberal definition of “civility” – “You agree with my lies or I will either shout you down or send the SEIU thugs to beat you up.” The lieberals have no concept of true civility because that requires truth and lieberals are incapable of telling the truth. What they call “name-calling” and “hate speech” is actually the truth and they hate the truth.

      • Raggs

        Youre on a roll Bob… keep up the good work :)

        • Bob

          Thanks – telling the truth about lieberals is my favorite pastime. I hope that some day they become as scarce as wooly mammoths.

      • 45caliber

        Bob:

        I fully agree with you! You and I would consider “mud slinging” as a term describing someone telling lies about another. But to a politician and their immediate followers, mud slinging refers instead to telling the TRUTH about them. It is easy to refute a lie but it is difficult to refute the truth. Your only hope is to yell louder.

  • RCT

    Harry Hopkins was FDR’s personal adviser. He said “Tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect and the American public is too damn dumb to understand”. Anybody who voted for our present President falls into that category, too damn dumb to understand. Harry’s comment has become the Democratic Parties motto ever since.

    • Bob

      Well said.

  • jopa

    Three hundred people at the Teabagger party in Boston compared to a few thousand in previous years.To me it looks like the “gas” is leaking out of the bag and not building up steam as the author of this article claims.Four potential republican candidates and only a few hundred show up is looking like a losing battle for these candidates.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      jopa… You and Norm need to have a little party with your teabagger friends! The Tea Party doesn’t want to be invited, so don’ ask!

      • Norm

        Robin from Arcadia, IN
        The fact is that the Republican candidates, so far, haven’t got a prayer in beating Obama.
        Trump, Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin, Pawlenty.
        There’s got be sombody somewhere that’d actually offer an intelligent alternative.

        • Bob

          The worst Republican in the pack is an intelligent alternate to our present dictator wannabe. Heck, my dog is an intelligent alternative to maobama.

        • Raggs

          What proof do you have to back that up norm?

          • Bob

            He has no proof for anything he says; never has, never will.

          • 45caliber

            Again it is a liberal using his wishful thinking.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Norm… Time will tell. You may be right, but I doubt it.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Norm… Thanks for being civil. It is much easier to communicate with you. I meant to add that to my last comment but got a little hasty with the submit button.

        • barbm

          hello, how many times do i have to say this. gary johnson 2012!! there’s also herman cain, allen west, pawlenty, paul ryan. lots of up and comers out there. you just have to open your eyes and brain.

          • Raggs

            That in a nutshell may be the problem barbm… The larger the hen house the more foxes come to visit… This needs to be down to two canidates in a primary no more no less or at least one that will impact obama without a guessing game… No disrespect intended but we need to find a clue.

          • barbm

            raggs, i agree. we have to pick somebody soon. it’s not long until the primaries. there are a dozen or more out there “testing the waters,” but nobody stepping up and saying they’re definitely running. important info, too, is whom will they pick for a running mate? i really like johnson, but if he picks a rino running mate, NOT!!

        • bob wire

          “Trump, Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin, Pawlenty.
          There’s got be somebody somewhere that actually offer an intelligent alternative.”

          The GOP depends on voters that can be persuaded to vote against their own personal self interest. This type of voter has a unique sense of “value” and what to look for in a presidential candidate. They enjoy pretty faces and a good “salesman”, someone that trips their trigger, blows their dress up.

          I’m with you Norm, I don’t see a potential winner in the present line up!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    It was 2 years ago on tax day that I first attended a Tea Party on Broadway near City Hall. It felt great to be among crowds who shared my views, about TEA = Taxed Enough Already!! But sadly we also read on CNSnews, etc. about our opponents who are protesting and demanding people to pay more taxes. These are probably drones seeking more in handouts and entitlements. Would it not be appropriate to designate a day around 4/15 as appreciation day?? That is – a day in which welfare recipients thank the majority of Americans for the benefits they receive or the fruits of other people’s labor. LOL!! That’ll never happen!! There are many drones and moochers who are just like vultures and seagulls!! The more you give to them, the more they aggressively demand!! I’m tired of the financial freeloaders who only want to mooch off the majority of Americans who work!! It’s one thing to have a safety net to help those who can’t help themselves, and to give temporary help those who’ve been hurt by this never-ending recession which we can thank BHO/Pelosi and their democraps for. But that’s only a small portion of public assistance, and I don’t see the GOP opposing any safety net for those truly in need. I get tired of hearing about drones and moochers who, instead of trying to better themselves, think they’re entitled to the fruits of other people’s labor. But of course the drones are still in the minority. Thus it’s up to the majority of Americans to wise up and vote out those (democraps) who encourage the drones to be dependent on government.

    • Bob

      Earl: Don’t hold your breath waiting for any kind of thanks from these parasites. You would get thanks from a tapeworm or toenail fungus before you would get a thanks from parasites who have been raised by union teachers to believe that parasitism is a basic human right.

      • 45caliber

        Bob:

        If I remember correctly, the Supreme Court has ruled that parasitism is a basic “right”.

        Some years ago now, a city in Maryland took itself out of the Welfare system. (At that time, it was allowed if you had a better way to insure everyone got money.) They hired everyone in the city on welfare. Those single mothers who had young children were paid to take care of them. Those who could work picked up litter or whatever else was needed by the city. All were paid minimum wage.

        In six months there were only two people still on their payroll. The rest quit because they had found a better paying job.

        The Welfare Department saw that if allowed, they themselves would be out of business. So they sued. The Supreme Court ruled that forcing someone to work so they could get money was a form of slavery. I believe the close wording was “… everyone has the right to live without being forced to work.”

        • Bob

          Tha sounds like something the lieberals would come up with. But, when those who parasitize others face the true Supreme Judge; I believe that they will find out that parasitism is a sin.

        • Raggs

          Working is a choice? I guess that we can see that from the many that refuse to work in support of themselves would rather prefer oprah whimpy and bozo obama on saturday mornings instead of making any effort…

        • http://?? Joe H.

          45caliber,
          Right, then we should have the right to not pay our taxes to support them as we are being forced to work for money for them!!!

        • Thamera

          Yes, unless the “parasite” is a fetus, then they have no rights, just kill em now. Understand I do not think that a fetus is a “parasite” but I have heard from many on the left that do.

          • bob wire

            Parasite, Parasitic, ~ in that everything lives off of something else, it’s purely from what reference point it is viewed Thamera.

            Mankind is a parasite on a planet full of parasites traveling through space.

            A good day for the snake is a bad day for the frog.

            It’s your personal ego and sense of self-righteousness and self -worth that excludes you from the rest.

            The word “Pious” comes to mind.

          • Thamera

            Yes bob w. I do have self-worth, everyone does, including a fetus…I would rather be labeled pious by someone that is constantly drawing his line in the sand than have anyone ever say I could justify morally vapid acts like abortion and don’t know where I stand, like you.

        • JIBBS

          If you have the right to not work, then you have the right to starve. It’s your choice, live or die. On the other hand, I have the right not to support you!

    • Thamera

      That is a really good idea Earl, sadly, I work with the welfare class every day and I don’t see that forthcoming, however, it would be nice…I agree.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Confoundme once but not twice

    One thing I Believe we all can agree on is that this country has been steadily Sold down the River ..by Both Parties. And There is no Argument against this fact More of the Same and Then some ! NOW IT IS the Libertarian Party We will Put our Faith in ! ( No more of this Two-headed Snake ( REPUB-Democ ) that operates under the steam of ONE Body.) IT has proven to be a united force with identical objectives in mind…. All for the Upper Echelon and discarding the peons below them..as being of no consequence. I am not alone in my judgement. 2012 will Prove it.

    • 45caliber

      I do agree with that.

  • Stan Lee

    As a former New Hampshirite, we were always exposed to people from MA, a state we called “Taxacusetts.” Sure, they’d vote at home for their usual Democrat tax and spend programs, then they’d come to our state to purchase merchandise because NH had no sales tax.
    Why couldn’t these people from MA have voted for reform of their own state? We certainly had many, many, MA sales tax evaders buying north of the MA state line.
    But no, there isn’t a thought process to people from MA paying more for everything in their state, supporting MA political corruption for ages,and giving true Yankee Conservatism short shrift. They just do it and I doubt there’s ever been a good reason.
    In any event, NH folks still take pride in not being from MA.
    Live Free or Die!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Stan Lee,
      What you guys from New Hampshire should do is what Ohio does. We had people doing the same thing here from different counties that had higher sales tax. Well now they ask you where you’re from and tax you at the rate of YOUR county!!

    • Raggs

      I would say that you get what you pay for, but NOT… now-a-days you pay three times for what you get like it or not… that is if you work for a living… we all know that the only ones that pay are the ones that work everyone else is sucking.. And it’s legal.

  • perot-wise

    I love reading all ya’lls posts! The baiting from the left is hilarious, it’s as thought they have no capacity for understanding, like trying to argue with a drunk. Look,I remember when the “it’s the economy stupid” campaine drove me to vote for Ross Perot and then Slick Willie was elected to begin the drive that yomama is now directing. I agree that we don’t have a 2 party system and haven’t for a while. So this is the way I see it playing out in 2012 if we have enough system left to worry about. The Rhinos exclude any one worth a s–t and field their Personal Rhino who has no intention of changing anything and we end up with 4 more of worse either way. Inflation will keep us well occupied with surviving and the corporate titty will rule. The fundamental change in government has to begin with us, the working Americans, and we are going to have to learn the hard way that there is no free lunch. Yomama promised change and we will get it in spades. get ready for a rough ride and keep your ammo dry!

    • JIBBS

      Copper and lead are going $up, stock up now!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jibbs,
        Already am!!! I was a boyscout in my younger days!! be prepared!!!

  • http://deleted Claire

    Did anyone hear Mark Levin ranting about Trump this evening? I heard it on the way home from work. Whoops, gotta go, storm is coming back.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      laire,
      Be safe, lady!!!

      • Thamera

        Ditto that

    • JIBBS

      must be the same storm that rolled thru south central Missouri about an hour before.
      Be safe

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jibbs,
        I hope the weather doesn’t get too bad in Missouri. My wife has a bunchof kinfolk there west and north of St Louis!! Take care guy!!

    • Carlucci

      I didn’t hear that, but I saw the Donald jump all over George Stephanopolis (sp) this morning on Good Morning America. It wasn’t such a good morning for George, tho…LOL -!!

      And then Obummer got snarky with a reporter from Texas:

      http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/President-Obama-talks-with-News-8–120141169.html

  • bob wire

    “After the interview, Obama pointed out that he doesn’t like an interviewer challenging his comments.

    “Let me finish my answers the next time we do an interview, all right?” he said.)

    snarky? I’m not familiar with the word, ~ “Curt”, “Sirly”?

    Bear in mind, this interview took place in the “Map Room” of the White house.

    I wish “O” had offered Bill O’Really much the same advised.

    I doubt if a second opportunity will ever be offered to these men.

    I wouldn’t find it necessary.

    In a completely different league of play;
    Michael Steel has appeared on Maddow’s programing often of late, he is received well and the discussion always lively. I’d be surprised if very many of you view the Maddow Show. After enduring the Lawrence and Ed Schultz Show, I couldn’t blame you much but she offers a lot of insight and often has a very good show. In terms of deep investigating reporting Maddow is a serious threat to anyone that has something to hide.

  • boneyfingers

    I found an interesting point in the foregoing comments amounting to a comparison of the policies of our government to regression and slavery. We ought to think deeply on those terms. From the tales of oppression in the South of the “blacks”, and the abject poverty of the poor, no matter what their skin color in Colonial Times, to the scenes from “Grapes of Wrath”, to present day. Are not a h igh percentage of the population eating on allowances from “Food Stamps” issued by the government, similar to the food program in Communistic style in Cuba, similar to “working for the company store”. By the way Fidel Castro just recently resign from the Communist Party, took away the food cards, and told the people to start businessnes. Buy cars from Government Motors. Buy houses from Government housing. Ultimatley we will be pidgeon-holed with no chance to escape as the benefits of being on the federal dole will be snatched away, leaving us to subsist, that’s less than exist. ARE WE ENTERING INTO THE NEW SLAVERY????

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